1081729;1427846402;SquirtPrincess;thx<3 1081730;1427846406;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah. 1081731;1427846440;mircea_popescu;100mn. because you don't want the schmuck getting ideas. 1081732;1427846442;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: If he was rich already he'd work his own practice. He's just high income. Still in his first year, hence medicaid clinic with a bunch of doctors who don't know pharmacists are snitches. 1081733;1427846468;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah. So the sort of Jews who don't come here. 1081734;1427846495;pete_dushenski;lel 1081735;1427846521;pete_dushenski;wait, who said that it's a jew dating the jap ? 1081736;1427846530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00025006 = 6.7266 BTC [+] 1081737;1427846550;pete_dushenski;jews, having grown up with the devils, should know better 1081738;1427846569;pete_dushenski;jap = 'jewish american princess' 1081739;1427846602;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo eh well let's give him a few years 1081740;1427846696;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: He's actually looking at new employers that pay less, aren't located in East Saint, and where he coworkers won't force him into the contest of his license versus theirs. 1081741;1427846742;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yeah but i don't want a schmuck, and i want him to have ideas. 1081742;1427846759;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But, "High Income" profession 1081743;1427846764;ben_vulpes;muhammed scale ideas. 1081744;1427846954;BingoBoingo;America's history with Islam is weird. The Founding fathers found Muhamadean culture and scholarship fashionable while the the grandkids can't think of anything worse. 1081745;1427847059;pete_dushenski;aaaand i'm off! 1081746;1427847431;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1081747;1427847436;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 243.98, vol: 8041.90359442 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 240.96, vol: 10548.80132 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.4, vol: 22341.3479467 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 252.13, vol: 14.17978055 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.896382, vol: 128550.65720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 244.42198, vol: 1.026009 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 244.013049, vol: 50.57372473 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1081748;1427848160;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo arabism is still fashionable. just another exoticism. 1081749;1427848246;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure. A number of people love Dubai while hating the current fallout of the British/French partition of the region after the empire 1081750;1427848262;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 1081751;1427848325;BingoBoingo;I mean there were discussion on making Kurdistan a thing. 1081752;1427848376;BingoBoingo;Just the line were drawn stupidly because the British and French wanted "parity" 1081753;1427848434;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski OH back already? 1081754;1427848446;pete_dushenski;for 2 seconds! 1081755;1427848461;pete_dushenski;because HOLYWTFBBQ happened to the logs! 1081756;1427848466;pete_dushenski;http://imgur.com/FhAsviT << kakobrekla mircea_popescu 1081757;1427848466;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWPm6z ) 1081758;1427848487;pete_dushenski;log1 normal, log.bitcoin-assets.com bizarelly borked 1081759;1427848498;mircea_popescu;lolwut 1081760;1427848501;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ownered box ? 1081761;1427848523;pete_dushenski;bizarrely* 1081762;1427848534;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy at that. 1081763;1427848543;pete_dushenski;and it changes when you refresh 1081764;1427848545;mircea_popescu;shtylman, i was trying to recall that fucktard's name. the guy with the hat. 1081765;1427848576;mircea_popescu;obv kakobrekla made an april fool's joke that blew up because he forgot log1 :D 1081766;1427848600;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Calendar 1081767;1427848602;mircea_popescu;but it is pretty lulzy lol 1081768;1427848657;pete_dushenski;lmao here i was thinking to myself "someone haxxed the logs! and is going to ruin our searches!" 1081769;1427848671;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski that's what they WANT YOU TO THINK 1081770;1427848708;pete_dushenski;sounds suspiciously like "taxes are good for you and the economy" 1081771;1427848722;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Best log error evar 1081772;1427848792;pete_dushenski;alright you jokesters, i'm re-heading back out into the world. until tomorrow! 1081773;1427848896;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> kakobrekla: Best log error evar << that is pretty good hehe 1081774;1427848959;BingoBoingo;I thought last year was good, buy kako puts the cess in success 1081775;1427848998;mod6;did he fake me out last year? 1081776;1427849001;mod6;*didn't 1081777;1427849015;mod6;one year i got gotten iirc 1081778;1427849545;BingoBoingo;!up ebriusinanis 1081779;1427849557;BingoBoingo;http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/31/switch_flasks_switch_products.php << Tiny differences 1081780;1427849558;assbot;Switch Flasks, Switch Products. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWSmjf ) 1081781;1427850149;*;jurov is going to bash whole day 1081782;1427850298;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/ 1081783;1427850326;BingoBoingo;!b 2 test 1081784;1427850328;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1R4ZRB8.txt ) 1081785;1427851069;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1081786;1427851073;gribble;Current Blocks: 350168 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 615 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50216839506.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.49031 1081787;1427851113;BingoBoingo;nefario: Thinking about taking up Burnside's BTC-TC code sale? 1081788;1427851169;nubbins`;i'll buy it if he doesn't 1081789;1427851290;BingoBoingo;lol gigavps 1081790;1427851342;BingoBoingo;!up ebriusinanis 1081791;1427851661;mod6;<+ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: auto.sh leads to 'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' on my boxes. << what os/arch? 1081792;1427851732;mod6;yes, was tested on a hand full of environments ( as stated in the ADDRESS ): deb6 (64/32), gentoo (64/32), ubuntu 12/14 (64) and apparently macosx too. not sure what you're running into. 1081793;1427851760;mod6;many of us were able to build, not just me this time ;) 1081794;1427851791;danielpbarron;i think that was me, and it's most likely a problem with my computer 1081795;1427851795;mod6;there is a version number in the top of the auto.sh script, which version are you using? 1081796;1427851799;mod6;oh. ok. 1081797;1427851803;mod6;it's all good now? 1081798;1427851854;danielpbarron;my computer? no 1081799;1427851886;mod6;:/ aight 1081800;1427851915;danielpbarron;ironically enough, the same computer that successfully built bitcoind for pogo way back when the project first began 1081801;1427852020;BingoBoingo;!up Pierre_Rochard 1081802;1427852023;nubbins`;afaik asciilifeform is compiling on gentoo 1081803;1427852034;danielpbarron;i am also on gentoo 1081804;1427852035;nubbins`;not sure if he's targeting the same, or the pogo via portatronic 1081805;1427852043;mod6;so i got everything to compile on obsd, but getting segfaults when trying to run the static binary. core dump looks like its something with threading... 1081806;1427852048;nubbins`;i suspect the latter 1081807;1427852095;mod6;ok, so remember, version that we have for auto.sh (v0.0.5 & v0.0.5-32) are NOT to be used for cross compiling. 1081808;1427852118;mod6;if you wanna do that cross compiling stuff, you gotta use ascii's original one. 1081809;1427852129;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=865245.msg10935804#msg10935804 1081810;1427852129;assbot;2 missing users ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJQRkZ ) 1081811;1427852252;mod6;we really need two branches of code now i think. 1081812;1427852276;mod6;these projects are diverging. 1081813;1427852288;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: (cc: hanbot) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966287.msg10563582#msg10563582 1081814;1427852288;assbot;Alt Convention - 8-10 October Batumi Georgia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJR9sl ) 1081815;1427852301;nubbins`;ah, i think it's a bit early for that 1081816;1427852328;nubbins`;the two auto.sh are close enough 1081817;1427852329;mod6;iirc ascii mentioned it, said he'd maintain the pogo project. it's not a horrible idea. 1081818;1427852369;mod6;anyway, food for thought. 1081819;1427852378;nubbins`;yeah 1081820;1427852384;BingoBoingo;platform specific patch sets may end up being a necessary evil, even if there isn't a full split 1081821;1427852391;nubbins`;^ this 1081822;1427852426;nubbins`;so far, at least, i think there's only minor changes needed for the various platforms 1081823;1427852434;nubbins`;or isolated changes, at least. 1081824;1427852447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 283450 @ 0.00024996 = 70.8512 BTC [-] {5} 1081825;1427852676;trinque;if it's small stuff should be able to ifdef it 1081826;1427852681;hanbot;BingoBoingo ahaha what a horrorshow. that guy's idiocy is like kudzu. 1081827;1427852714;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Seriously. I haven't seen the old lady sockpuppet though in a while 1081828;1427852880;asciilifeform;i was building amd64 1081829;1427852885;asciilifeform;using published release auto.sh 1081830;1427852896;asciilifeform;barfs on all of my boxes 1081831;1427852908;asciilifeform;in the same way (the integers thing) 1081832;1427852986;asciilifeform;batumi << wtf is 'alternative income' ? 1081833;1427853071;hanbot;it is unlike any other income you have made before. 1081834;1427853072;nubbins`;my buildroot cross-toolchain was still no good, boost needed large file support :o 1081835;1427853080;*;nubbins` compiling again 1081836;1427853151;danielpbarron;nubbins`> what's danielpbarron's nodes running, bsd? << ArchLinux 1081837;1427853163;danielpbarron;if you mean my test pogos 1081838;1427853204;mod6;asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd. 1081839;1427853215;BingoBoingo;!up ebriusinanis 1081840;1427853231;asciilifeform;mod6: may have to do with gcc version 1081841;1427853247;danielpbarron;nubbins`, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt 1081842;1427853247;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4IvOg ) 1081843;1427853252;mod6;most of our testing we were successful with seemed to be gcc 4.4.5 1081844;1427853276;asciilifeform;unrelated, someone needs to take ben_vulpes's rm_rf_upnp patch and turn that into a separate executable that does upnp. 1081845;1427853280;mod6;the build im trying to work through on openbsd uses like (I can't remember off the top of my head) 4.2.x or something 1081846;1427853288;mod6;something downlevel anyway 1081847;1427853292;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd. << I'll go on the record as saying OpenBSD should not be considered "gold standard" unix in the way gentoo is. OpenBSD goes way out of its way to prevent user from hanging self. 1081848;1427853317;BingoBoingo;;;google site:undeadly.org gcc 1081849;1427853318;gribble;New Compiler Capabilities: -fstack-shuffle and Return Value Guards: ; BSD Licensed PCC Compiler Imported - OpenBSD Journal: ; Developer Blog: Large Piece of PIE - OpenBSD Journal: 1081850;1427853337;BingoBoingo;;;google openbsd.org gcc man 1081851;1427853338;gribble;gcc-local(1) - OpenBSD: ; 2 - Getting to know OpenBSD: ; OpenBSD 5.5: 1081852;1427853341;thestringpuller;I really need to run OpenBSD soon just to start learning it. 1081853;1427853352;mod6;BingoBoingo: all of this was very recently tested on gentoo. both 64 & 32 bit. 1081854;1427853383;mod6;You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd? 1081855;1427853432;BingoBoingo;mod6: Sure. Gentoo is still at its heart Linux. As best as I can tell having lived with it as sole OS for a few months OpenBSD compared to linux is more of an exotica like HP/UX or Slowaris. 1081856;1427853449;BingoBoingo; You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd? << Not better, just vastly different targets 1081857;1427853463;mod6;what about all the "linux is dead" memes? 1081858;1427853484;nubbins`;risc os is alive 1081859;1427853509;asciilifeform;mod6: there's be substance to that if i hadn't just built a 3.18 kernel and full userland into <5MB with no systemd crapolade 1081860;1427853530;asciilifeform;nubbins`: msdos is considerably more alive than riscos 1081861;1427853543;mod6;what if gentoo adopts systemd next week? 1081862;1427853559;asciilifeform;mod6: it adopted long ago. but on account of how gentoo is designed, easily removed 1081863;1427853560;trinque;the nature of gentoo makes removing it a lot easier 1081864;1427853564;mod6;(is it the only hold out left?) 1081865;1427853564;asciilifeform;^ 1081866;1427853587;mod6;oh. ok, didn't even know that. 1081867;1427853595;BingoBoingo;Also some gentoo people spent enough time on OpenRC that OpenRC cannot be easily disappeared 1081868;1427853603;asciilifeform;a default gentoo (to the extent it even makes sense to utter such a thing) built by someone carelessly reading the cookbook will end up with systemd as likely as not 1081869;1427853606;mod6;i've used gentoo exactly 2x: for testing bitcoind hah 1081870;1427853609;asciilifeform;so you could say it already 'adopted.' 1081871;1427853634;trinque;mod6: "use flags" and package.mask for great justice against systemd, udev, etc 1081872;1427853660;mod6;someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe 1081873;1427853669;asciilifeform;mod6: exists 1081874;1427853692;asciilifeform;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd 1081875;1427853693;assbot;Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4K3ry ) 1081876;1427853705;mod6;ah good deal, thanks. 1081877;1427853712;trinque;gentoo is a labyrinth within which one transcends the derpitude 1081878;1427853718;trinque;by breaking and unbreaking his system 1081879;1427853820;nubbins`;asciilifeform i kid :D 1081880;1427853884;trinque;anyone ever tried portage on openbsd? 1081881;1427853899;trinque;"page updated 2006" lol 1081882;1427853940;asciilifeform;2006 << wai wat 1081883;1427853943;asciilifeform;where? 1081884;1427853953;trinque;https://wwwold.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/obsd/doc/gentoo-openbsd.xml?style=printable 1081885;1427853954;assbot;Gentoo Linux Documentation-- Installing Gentoo/OpenBSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJTZO3 ) 1081886;1427853966;trinque;redirect from the new site to that from the google result 1081887;1427853976;asciilifeform;aha 1081888;1427853986;trinque;wikipedia says it's on hiatus with no citation 1081889;1427853990;trinque;must be true 1081890;1427854000;trinque;anyhow it's a nice thought 1081891;1427854005;BingoBoingo;trinque> anyone ever tried portage on openbsd? << port are supported and pkg_src are supported porting portage to my knowledge is a work in progress or abandonware 1081892;1427854010;trinque;portage is really what I love, not so much gentoo linux 1081893;1427854020;trinque;BingoBoingo: yeh looks like abandonware 1081894;1427854036;trinque;ports seems almost the way there, but I don't see a way for example to globally mask a package or option as you can with portage 1081895;1427854039;trinque;that imo is the killer feature 1081896;1427854066;asciilifeform;trinque: if you put aside 'portage', gentoo is largely good for the 'unfeatures' 1081897;1427854075;trinque;mhm 1081898;1427854076;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/ 1081899;1427854079;asciilifeform;that is, absence of particular varieties of otherwise-ubiquitous crapolade 1081900;1427854117;BingoBoingo; that imo is the killer feature << Portage seems too much a user friendly feature for OpenBSD. They have features, but avoid the kind that attract users with "easy" 1081901;1427854147;asciilifeform;portage is 'easy' until the first multihorned merge conflict 1081902;1427854173;trinque;^ there are plenty of times when portage just tells you to fuck off and fix it yourself 1081903;1427854189;BingoBoingo;And trying to walk someone through that is/(would be) hell 1081904;1427854193;trinque;pkg_add can be "friendlier" in terms of happily pulling down all kinds of deps 1081905;1427854212;trinque;I want to say "no fuck you, never gnome anything, never kde anything, so help you flamethrower" 1081906;1427854238;asciilifeform;trinque: in my (since '04) life with gentoo, many times the only 'fix' was to go barbarously outside of portage 1081907;1427854246;asciilifeform;and hammer things in by hand 1081908;1427854263;asciilifeform;never -once- used pkg_add 1081909;1427854271;asciilifeform;or what it was. 1081910;1427854312;BingoBoingo; I want to say "no fuck you, never gnome anything, never kde anything, so help you flamethrower" << in my limited experience mostly involves checking version of packages of building with delete key 1081911;1427854453;trinque;I hear ya; still I always like systems where I can declare constraints and have the thing blow up should the constraint be violated 1081912;1427854464;trinque;rather, should something attempt violation 1081913;1427854536;trinque;in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing 1081914;1427854619;BingoBoingo;What, fail deadly is a thing. 1081915;1427854632;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16241 1081916;1427854633;assbot;Socialist Shill Announces Launch of Third Key Solutions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJV3kI ) 1081917;1427854688;asciilifeform;when do we get a 'second cock solutions' ? 1081918;1427854708;asciilifeform;does 'third key' not immediately evoke an unwelcome interloper to everyone ? 1081919;1427854719;asciilifeform;i can hardly think of a less-appetizing name for anything! 1081920;1427854743;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16242 1081921;1427854744;assbot;Socialist Shill Announces Launch of Third Key Solutions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJVhbK ) 1081922;1427854769;BingoBoingo;It invokes interloper 1081923;1427854797;decimation;asciilifeform: makers of fine locks often retain the 'master key list' 1081924;1427854807;BingoBoingo;Much as chinese 5.56 assault rifle invokes fifth column invasion and scavengers 1081925;1427854808;decimation;but in that case the end user isn't capable of crafting his key 1081926;1427854834;BingoBoingo; in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing << Knowing that a thing fails deadly is a value all its own. 1081927;1427854845;asciilifeform;decimation: any lock on which you find an engraved number, is this 1081928;1427854860;asciilifeform;the thing is there for the convenience of locksmith so he doesn't have to mutilate your car or whatnot with picks 1081929;1427854875;decimation;some locks are neigh 'unpickable' too 1081930;1427854888;asciilifeform;these get mutilated. 1081931;1427854952;decimation;point is, there's a third party involved. but crypto doesn't require a third party to machine the keys 1081932;1427854957;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it was actually chambered in the american 5.56 ?! 1081933;1427854974;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and not ru 5.45 ? 1081934;1427855003;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There is a variation of the Chinese type whateverthefuck chambered in American 5.56, Russian 5.xx didn't exist yet 1081935;1427855033;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if pre-dates the ru switchover, probably built for expert to hanoi 1081936;1427855036;asciilifeform;*export 1081937;1427855047;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Later than that 1081938;1427855050;BingoBoingo;1980's 1081939;1427855054;asciilifeform;!up ebriusinanis 1081940;1427855055;decimation;was it built for their little brown brothers in vietnam? 1081941;1427855077;BingoBoingo;Built too late for 'Nam. 1081942;1427855082;BingoBoingo;To my knowledge 1081943;1427855231;decimation;usg was hustled by the vietnamese 1081944;1427855238;decimation;most of their 'allies' were communist moles 1081945;1427855259;asciilifeform;^ well-documented 1081946;1427855266;decimation;wouldn't surprise me if the north vietnamese were supplied with american 5.56 1081947;1427855289;asciilifeform;at any rate, it could well have been produced for 'next vietnam' 1081948;1427855310;BingoBoingo;Type-03 and others in their "export version" are so chambered 1081949;1427855317;asciilifeform;the near east, for instance, could certainly benefit from a few boats of 5.56 1081950;1427855345;decimation;I'm sure israel has 5.56 ammo plants 1081951;1427855359;asciilifeform;the other near east. 1081952;1427855363;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.9992 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 130.96184834 BTC. Current weight: 75,462. 1081953;1427855363;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.8656096 BTC. Current weight: 75,910. 1081954;1427855366;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin above MtGox $266 high 2 years on" http://bitbet.us/bet/1126/ Odds: 40(Y):60(N) by coin, 65(Y):35(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.38145505 BTC. Current weight: 19,685. 1081955;1427855372;decimation;http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mCatID=63189 1081956;1427855374;assbot;Small Caliber Ammunition ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWeAS ) 1081957;1427855397;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco_CQ 1081958;1427855398;assbot;Norinco CQ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWfVo ) 1081959;1427855399;decimation;the iranians probably manage it too 1081960;1427855559;decimation;lol why do the chinese bother to make an m4gery 1081961;1427855561;BingoBoingo;Well, the Iranians also fly F-14's 1081962;1427855616;decimation;heh not for long http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/01/31/pentagon-halts-sale-f-14-parts-coveted-by-iran/ 1081963;1427855617;assbot;Pentagon Halts Sale of F-14 Parts Coveted by Iran | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWAau ) 1081964;1427855636;decimation;^ re: ascii's point about modern jets being part of a large industrial base 1081965;1427855667;asciilifeform;see also the gigantic pile of soviet jets in timisoara 1081966;1427855722;BingoBoingo;decimation: Remember that direct sale of parts to Iran has been halted since Ayatollas have been a thing. Iran has had plenty of time to improvise machine shops 1081967;1427855768;decimation;there's a difference between 'a machine shop' and the metallurgy required to make a high-performance jet engine 1081968;1427855779;asciilifeform;not only metallurgy. 1081969;1427855805;asciilifeform;american jets are heavy on semiconductor crapolade 1081970;1427855811;decimation;usg knows precisely which necks to squeeze 1081971;1427855814;asciilifeform;running hell knows what. 1081972;1427855837;decimation;the swiss were famous for re-writing the f-16 code from the ground up 1081973;1427855928;BingoBoingo;https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1698397/heightened-cash-monitoring-list-as-of-march-1-2015.pdf << different lolz 1081974;1427856048;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what precisely is this ? 1081975;1427856076;asciilifeform;and notice how all the 'severe findings' (?) entries were censored. 1081976;1427856088;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: US colleges whose every finaid dollar is "watch listed" except for the ~60 schools on the most severe watch list 1081977;1427856130;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: are these listed in any discernible order ? 1081978;1427856137;BingoBoingo;But seriously if given 3 decades the Iranians lack the foundries and forensics to duplicate the parts... Maybe Allah doesn't want them to be a nation-state 1081979;1427856139;asciilifeform;because, if so, it may be possible to determine the snipped entries 1081980;1427856170;asciilifeform;(even if no order. if the complete list can be found anywhere) 1081981;1427856177;asciilifeform;^ good qntra project ? 1081982;1427856200;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I have yet to discern an order. Part of the reason why link dropped here and not on Qntra as "Oh look at how USia Squeezes Struggling Schools" 1081983;1427856201;asciilifeform;they do appear to be sorted by state, for instance 1081984;1427856306;decimation;I'm amused that usg distinguishes between 'proprietary' and 'private' 1081985;1427856322;decimation;which I take to mean "submits to usg T/F" 1081986;1427856332;BingoBoingo;^ 1081987;1427856389;BingoBoingo;Differnce is financial disinterested Board of Directors, vs. trying to save their investment Board of Directors 1081988;1427856405;BingoBoingo;!up ebriusinanis 1081989;1427856438;decimation;right, and the reason for 'disinterest' is because they expect usg to make them whole 1081990;1427856490;BingoBoingo;Pretty much, though some public schools make it like Southern Illinois University's Carbondale campus. But that example is mostly because Illinois is American Somolia 1081991;1427856605;BingoBoingo;List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list 1081992;1427856843;ebriusinanis;you guys still have school? i thought you had ipad nao? 1081993;1427856875;ebriusinanis;oh look, he's swiping 1081994;1427856929;BingoBoingo;ebriusinanis: That didn't start until my first grad school stint and it wasn't mainstream until the last sememster of the second stint 1081995;1427856955;ebriusinanis;yeah well at least you learned wiping first 1081996;1427857176;nubbins`;can't swipe without wipe 1081997;1427857364;nubbins`;dat unsolicited pm 1081998;1427857382;ebriusinanis;shh 1081999;1427858064;mod6;asciilifeform: any luck with that error? 1082000;1427858380;nubbins`;o-o-o-o-o! 1082001;1427858381;nubbins`;now i see 1082002;1427858384;nubbins`;!up ebriusinanis 1082003;1427859616;BingoBoingo;gigavps: whoa, my latin reads like "hes bruisin anus" 1082004;1427859616;BingoBoingo; such reality 1082005;1427859616;BingoBoingo; here i thought i was a poem 1082006;1427859799;hanbot;asciilifeform / gentoo-friendly folks: on emerge, do slot conflicts where the listed package is followed by 0 actually require manual resolution? 1082007;1427859814;lobbes;kakobrekla: aha, thanks for the lulz. I was thoroughly confused for a second ;/ 1082008;1427859942;ebriusinanis;^ 1082009;1427860060;hanbot;not even sure i asked that correctly. suffice it to say, want to install a package, have been looking at successive blocked package and slot conflict warnings at each resolution attempt (for said pckg's dependencies), am (naively?) hoping at least some of these can be ignored 1082010;1427860377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00025061 = 12.5054 BTC [+] 1082011;1427860585;nubbins`;hanbot try: emerge --sync; emerge -avuND world 1082012;1427860589;nubbins`;then try again? 1082013;1427860869;hanbot;lessee! 1082014;1427861023;hanbot;lol installing 6 of 327, mayhap i missed a setup step. tyvm nubbins'. 1082015;1427861252;nubbins`;apparently gentoo works a lot better when all your packages are up to date. this is about where my advice ends, i've been using it for a whole three days now ;p 1082016;1427861487;*;hanbot is used to spraying updates with fire&loathing, good to know 1082017;1427861851;*;nubbins` sighs, attempts 3rd cross-toolchain build of the day 1082018;1427861863;nubbins`;now with more options enabled (tm) 1082019;1427862587;trinque;hanbot: paste fart emitted from emerge 1082020;1427862597;trinque;er nvm 1082021;1427862617;trinque;looks like it's working 1082022;1427862824;hanbot;well it's certainly toiling. it's very pleasant to watch it chew without complaining meanwhile. 1082023;1427863138;BingoBoingo;!s faust 1082024;1427863139;assbot;1 results for 'faust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=faust 1082025;1427863302;trinque;among friends of mine, we refer to gentoo as "gentoo quest" and for good reason 1082026;1427863309;trinque;not so much an OS as a linux RPG 1082027;1427863318;trinque;teaches you a lot 1082028;1427863337;BingoBoingo;trinque: Ever play with pre-v10 slowaris? 1082029;1427863383;trinque;BingoBoingo: not at all; fun in the same ways? 1082030;1427863445;BingoBoingo;trinque: Best contrast I can find to OpenBSD. Gentoo is pure (theoretical)Linus-linux. Slowaris and OpenBSD are both... different 1082031;1427863630;trinque;BingoBoingo: this I think is the saddest thing about fuck-ups like systemd, "cram everything into one program" is not novel. I wouldn't mind trying unix-like systems which *actually* tried something (novelly) different 1082032;1427863676;BingoBoingo;trinque: Seriously. Busybox is boring. Complete dominion over memory functions as Obsd does, cool 1082033;1427863945;asciilifeform;hanbot: no, they can't be ignored 1082034;1427864009;asciilifeform; ... it's very pleasant to watch it chew without complaining << half the addiction potential of gentoo right there 1082035;1427864017;asciilifeform;like watching a garden grow, if you could do so in real time 1082036;1427864069;asciilifeform; ... Busybox is boring. << it wasn't built to be interesting, but to take up the least space possible while still doing, approximately, the job. 1082037;1427864104;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades 1082038;1427864109;asciilifeform;essentially cut-down versions of all the customary userland utils but rolled into one binary, which then gets called from tiny scripts each of which pretends to be, e.g., 'top' or 'ls' 1082039;1427864129;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it makes for a largely usable box. boot up 'turdel', try it. 1082040;1427864190;*;BingoBoingo is short on undedicated boxes of purpose and needs to start renting VPS's or hope BTC host starts 1082041;1427864191;asciilifeform;did you ever even use all the possible flags for 'less' anyway. 1082042;1427864205;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I suck at both more and less 1082043;1427864241;trinque;the distinction between separate programs and well-separated functions isn't a huge one 1082044;1427864251;trinque;busybox fucks up not by "doing all the things" but by intertangling all the things 1082045;1427864255;trinque;*could fuck up 1082046;1427864277;asciilifeform;obligatory classic: https://gist.github.com/pete/665971 1082047;1427864279;assbot;Various implementations of the 'cat' command, for comparison. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yygoqH ) 1082048;1427864281;trinque;so as long as the commands it's providing aren't insanely tangled, no big deal 1082049;1427864298;asciilifeform;'busybox' is closer to the smaller incarnations 1082050;1427864301;trinque;I think some might look at it and compare it to the systemd situation 1082051;1427864310;trinque;where one codebase is providing a ton of functionality 1082052;1427864317;asciilifeform;trinque: the only possible point of comparison is the swiss army knife aspect 1082053;1427864334;trinque;yep, totally appropriate tool in an appropriate situation 1082054;1427864337;asciilifeform;but these aren't processes crammed into one box 1082055;1427864340;asciilifeform;these are fucking utils 1082056;1427864344;asciilifeform;that run in shots 1082057;1427864375;BingoBoingo;Alpine Linux looks interesting, but... before I return to linux I want to spend more time in weirdix full time 1082058;1427864405;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: thing is, if you understand how to use 'buildroot' you no longer need distros 1082059;1427864435;asciilifeform;(though i do like 'portage' more than hand-waltzing every proggy. if only marginally.) 1082060;1427864496;asciilifeform;who the hell was ebriusinanis anyway? 1082061;1427864507;asciilifeform;asks quite a few questions for a random fella. 1082062;1427864523;BingoBoingo; who the hell was ebriusinanis anyway? << Vexual, especially coherent tonight 1082063;1427864564;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how you know? did he sign ? 1082064;1427864608;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: PM behavior pattern. Not strongest authentication, kinda suspicious, but psych profile almost checks 1082065;1427864618;BingoBoingo;!up ebriusinanis 1082066;1427864652;asciilifeform;incidentally, i keep waiting for 'deceased' folks like pankkake or moiety to 'return from the grave' (after ninjasp4mz0r buys their keys for xxx btc) 1082067;1427864658;ebriusinanis;its my katin name 1082068;1427864664;ebriusinanis;*latin 1082069;1427864710;BingoBoingo; incidentally, i keep waiting for 'deceased' folks like pankkake or moiety to 'return from the grave' (after ninjasp4mz0r buys their keys for xxx btc) << I'm not sure moiety isn't undead and normant. 1082070;1427864746;ebriusinanis;pankakke would like these logs 1082071;1427864779;BingoBoingo;pankakke is weird. 1082072;1427864802;BingoBoingo;pankakke knows what his keys are worth and that is a lot 1082073;1427864820;ebriusinanis;fail rages him 1082074;1427864834;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: only worth, hypothetically, in the hands of a skilled operative 1082075;1427864860;asciilifeform;who could convincingly (let's dream) pretend to be a 'prodigal son' 1082076;1427864880;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The problem with pankakke keys is faking pankakke would be expensive 1082077;1427864898;asciilifeform;cheaper if you can pay the original to do it 1082078;1427865077;BingoBoingo;So HBO scientology doc, not so bad. Jason Beghe's parts are the best. 1082079;1427865804;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1082080;1427866160;Chillum;This reminds me of being a kid: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/PRODOS402_catalog.png 1082081;1427866161;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahq6sd ) 1082082;1427866240;felipelalli;!gettrust asteric 1082083;1427866240;assbot;asteric is not registered in WoT. 1082084;1427866811;mircea_popescu;"The www.burtw.com web site is real. It was put up by my wife (JeanW on here now). To answer some questions posted above: I traded on localbitcoins.com. The prosecutor in the case claims I needed a business money transmittal license to do that. Instead of just notifying me that they though I might need a license they have charged me with a felony which could mean up to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. 1082085;1427866812;mircea_popescu;Because I had to hire TWO law firms, one for the criminal case and another one for the civil forfeiture case, so far, defending myself against the charge of not having a license in order to trade on localbitcoins has cost me almost $200,000. This is a large chunk of our retirement fund and our daughters college fund. This does not count the property (Bitcoins, cash, etc.) I may have to forfeit in civil forfeiture." 1082086;1427866830;mircea_popescu;born in the usa... he's fucked... born in the usa... 1082087;1427866850;BingoBoingo;!up ebriusinanis 1082088;1427866889;mircea_popescu;hopefully he gets his guts together and flies another plane into another usg office. 1082089;1427866902;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only avenue remaining for elder us folk. 1082090;1427867089;BingoBoingo;For the truly old there's still caverject and official's daughters 1082091;1427867376;felipelalli;if this is true, this is actually sad. :/ 1082092;1427867416;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: I dunno caverject contains some serious trade offs in its method of administration 1082093;1427867490;ebriusinanis;https://vimeo.com/62839747 london calling 1082094;1427867491;assbot;Cadbury Gorilla Drummer Drums To Phil Collins on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahteUR ) 1082095;1427867784;cazalla;will deedbot qntra march once it comes back otherwise http://qntra.net/2015/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2015-statement/ 1082096;1427867784;assbot;Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahtP99 ) 1082097;1427867819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87300 @ 0.00024739 = 21.5971 BTC [-] 1082098;1427867969;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2015-statement/ 1082099;1427868321;ebriusinanis;poso eh good luck with thqat shit 1082100;1427868536;ebriusinanis;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyTxWvxYr4 1082101;1427868537;assbot;Who the Cap Fit - BOB MARLEY - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahvyuW ) 1082102;1427868769;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lmao antonoderp and matonis going to aussie striker bitbillions "convention" !? 1082103;1427868771;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1082104;1427868807;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: As far as I know so far 1082105;1427868820;mircea_popescu;top kek. 1082106;1427868889;hanbot;asciilifeform> hanbot: no, they can't be ignored << ah okay. noted! 1082107;1427868893;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081872 << quite. 1082108;1427868893;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 02:01:00; mod6: someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe 1082109;1427869460;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081991 << theres lots and lots and lots of wars going on in the rogue state. 1082110;1427869460;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 02:50:05; BingoBoingo: List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list 1082111;1427869500;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I can't even keep the local ones straight 1082112;1427869625;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/spence-jackson-note-said-he-couldn-t-face-unemployment-again/article_2f8eb775-740b-55cb-9630-273747853f0c.html << More Schweich fallout. His closes assistant "offed himself" nao 1082113;1427869626;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiqVLA ) 1082114;1427869819;trinque;cazalla: ^ dunno why it's dying, so I'm just going to stick it on a 24hr cron restart for now 1082115;1427869825;trinque;!up deedbot- 1082116;1427869865;BingoBoingo;Also... The NY jews that raised Fisher lost US chess to St Louis http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/chess-championships-take-cue-from-televised-poker-move-to-live/article_b512b3a8-0122-5d26-9853-80d6597e5302.html 1082117;1427869865;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hir7KS ) 1082118;1427870025;cazalla;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88 1082119;1427870026;assbot;dpaste: 3EAJT88 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HirfK8 ) 1082120;1427870039;trinque;cazalla: give it the txt version; that's an html page 1082121;1427870045;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88.txt 1082122;1427870046;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hirhlh ) 1082123;1427870076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95100 @ 0.00024854 = 23.6362 BTC [+] 1082124;1427870080;trinque;wake up ya bastard 1082125;1427870193;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88.txt 1082126;1427870194;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HirmWa ) 1082127;1427870194;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1082128;1427870228;trinque;cazalla: there ya go; had to kick it from both sides 1082129;1427870940;BingoBoingo;;;seen brendafdez 1082130;1427870940;gribble;brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. 1082131;1427871418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21283 @ 0.00024854 = 5.2897 BTC [+] 1082132;1427878128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.00024786 = 26.8185 BTC [-] {3} 1082133;1427878494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00025027 = 6.4945 BTC [+] 1082134;1427878982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.01467997 = 1.468 BTC [+] 1082135;1427880385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73000 @ 0.00024732 = 18.0544 BTC [-] 1082136;1427882459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92698 @ 0.00024968 = 23.1448 BTC [+] {2} 1082137;1427885021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00025027 = 4.0293 BTC [+] 1082138;1427885204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00024732 = 14.9876 BTC [-] 1082139;1427887095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96287 @ 0.00024716 = 23.7983 BTC [-] {2} 1082140;1427888620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00025058 = 4.2599 BTC [+] {2} 1082141;1427888766;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081872 << quite. <<< they did, https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page 1082142;1427888766;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 02:01:00; mod6: someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe 1082143;1427888767;assbot;Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1X8nu ) 1082144;1427890581;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/311gfc/in_a_plea_bargain_former_dea_agent_agrees_to/ 1082145;1427890582;assbot;In a plea bargain, former DEA agent agrees to return 665,950 BTC stolen from MtGOX in 2013 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtcXr1 ) 1082146;1427890608;chetty;I'd like to ask a favor of someone coming to conf. PM me pls 1082147;1427890694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00025061 = 5.3129 BTC [+] 1082148;1427891124;nubbins`;fluffypony you had me for a sec 1082149;1427891215;fluffypony;:) 1082150;1427891506;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/keurig-and-its-competitors-seek-guilt-free-ways-to-dispose-of-coffee-pods-1.3016753 1082151;1427891508;assbot;Keurig and its competitors seek guilt-free ways to dispose of coffee pods - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh7kve ) 1082152;1427891538;nubbins`;protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows 1082153;1427891655;nubbins`;dem 3 Rs not being followed 1082154;1427891659;nubbins`;!up The20YearIRCloud 1082155;1427891674;The20YearIRCloud;howdy 1082156;1427891827;The20YearIRCloud;nubbins`: 1082157;1427891975;nubbins`;hi 1082158;1427892317;The20YearIRCloud;Need anything? 1082159;1427892325;nubbins`;just a backrub 1082160;1427892355;nubbins`;oh and i'm bringing a civil suit against you for those posters 1082161;1427892410;nubbins`;LEL APRIL FOOL'S 1082162;1427892542;The20YearIRCloud;heh 1082163;1427892557;The20YearIRCloud;We just did a april fools on our FB page about buying a property and removing the houses so we can put down hotels 1082164;1427892789;danielpbarron;height=308023 vs height=219293 1082165;1427893007;nubbins`;is the latter a 5400? 1082166;1427893011;nubbins`;or 72 1082167;1427893113;The20YearIRCloud;? 1082168;1427893128;nubbins`;that was for danielpbarron 1082169;1427893166;danielpbarron;54 1082170;1427893182;nubbins`;i feel like that one was at 200k around a week ago :p 1082171;1427893190;danielpbarron;it was 1082172;1427893193;nubbins`;heh. 1082173;1427893195;danielpbarron;it's super slow 1082174;1427893203;danielpbarron;but i believe it can stay in sync once caught up 1082175;1427893219;nubbins`;yeah 1082176;1427893237;nubbins`;my laptop's got a 5400 as well, paused downloading blocks while i get this cross-toolchain unfucked 1082177;1427893251;nubbins`;got an ssd on the way 1082178;1427893257;danielpbarron;how long does your laptop take to sync? 1082179;1427893265;danielpbarron;or has it ever? 1082180;1427893302;nubbins`;hasn't fully yet 1082181;1427893328;nubbins`;i had a power failure one day that set me back a bit 1082182;1427893369;*;nubbins` groans 1082183;1427893376;nubbins`;i literally cannot get boost built with this toolchain 1082184;1427893426;The20YearIRCloud;Did you need anything from me nubbins` ? 1082185;1427893439;nubbins`;just that back rub 1082186;1427893478;The20YearIRCloud;ah ok 1082187;1427893486;The20YearIRCloud;i'll send you a certificate in the mail at some point 1082188;1427893521;nubbins`;phew, got that in just under the wire 1082189;1427893550;nubbins`;okay, the boost compile was throwing errors around some of the python stuff, but it's still going 1082190;1427893558;nubbins`;LONG_BIT definition appears wrong for platform 1082191;1427894849;mike_c;here i am reading the logs thinking "april's fools is so dumb, who falls for this crap.. ZOMG 700,000 btc?!?". 1082192;1427894867;mike_c;i will now smack myself in the face for 30 minutes. 1082193;1427894962;nubbins`;heh 1082194;1427894964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79395 @ 0.00024962 = 19.8186 BTC [-] 1082195;1427895038;jurov;hanbot should log in once more and join BTC-TC auction 1082196;1427895150;mike_c;aw fuck me, i got buterin in the logs? that feels dirty. 1082197;1427895251;nubbins`;f5 bro 1082198;1427895275;jurov;stfu OgNasty 1082199;1427895286;nubbins`;if anyone's wondering about pogotronics, i'm on my ~6th buildroot cross-toolchain compile 1082200;1427895287;mike_c;ognasty, ok, i can live with that. kakobrekla: for the record, i'm laughing :) good one. 1082201;1427895322;nubbins`;this may be the last one before i just try crosstools-ng 1082202;1427897160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00025061 = 1.5663 BTC [+] 1082203;1427897318;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr 1082204;1427897318;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00033 / 0.00033 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024802 / 0.00033 (45259 shares, 11.23 BTC) 1082205;1427897329;thestringpuller;!t m s.mpoe 1082206;1427897329;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024709 / 0.0002563 / 0.00026972 (5248239 shares, 1,345.17 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00025408 / 0.00028207 (37726525 shares, 9,585.79 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00030009 / 0.0004493 (98019397 shares, 29,414.85 BTC) 1082207;1427897844;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 131.96184834 BTC. Current weight: 74,938. 1082208;1427898258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170094 @ 0.00024878 = 42.316 BTC [-] {2} 1082209;1427900109;jurov;https://www.gentoo.org/ lol what a makeover. they can leave it permanent 1082210;1427900110;assbot;Welcome – Gentoo Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhvEwW ) 1082211;1427900210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51639 @ 0.00024766 = 12.7889 BTC [-] 1082212;1427900333;jurov;ahahaha © 1970–1981 Gentoo Foundation, Inc. 1082213;1427900355;trinque;"more inclusive" lol 1082214;1427900392;Chillum;lol@gentoo 1082215;1427900460;jurov;it gets deeper: click Games Team, Multimedia Team,.. 1082216;1427900554;Chillum;bah, my computer is not fast enough for pong 1082217;1427900571;Chillum;they should make it more inclusive 1082218;1427900628;Chillum;lol I remember drive music! 1082219;1427900635;Chillum;I could only play 2 drive songs though 1082220;1427901361;danielpbarron;!up qntranet 1082221;1427901969;pete_dushenski;jurov i just noticed that the february qntra disbursement didn't end up in my coinbr acct 1082222;1427901983;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2015-statement/#more-2672 << 1082223;1427901983;assbot;Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhAWIP ) 1082224;1427902039;jurov;oh, did you ask for it? 1082225;1427902075;jurov;to be done every month, i mean 1082226;1427902087;jurov;my records show it was done only once 1082227;1427902136;pete_dushenski;hm yes, i'm only seeing that first month's as well 1082228;1427902170;pete_dushenski;i suppose this is where i formally ask for all my s.qntr shares to be transferred 1082229;1427902173;pete_dushenski;:) 1082230;1427902220;jurov;best would be to sign a statement asking for it to be done every month 1082231;1427902233;jurov;as other people did 1082232;1427902244;pete_dushenski;okie dokie. will do 1082233;1427903033;pete_dushenski;https://vimeo.com/123798651 << one for BingoBoingo 1082234;1427903034;assbot;Bitcoin diceware on a TI-89 graphing calculator on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhDQ09 ) 1082235;1427903268;pete_dushenski;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1GB0YK4.txt 1082236;1427903269;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhEvyx ) 1082237;1427903314;trinque;!up deedbot- 1082238;1427903319;trinque;pete_dushenski: it probably took, but try again 1082239;1427903333;pete_dushenski;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1GB0YK4.txt 1082240;1427903334;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhEI4R ) 1082241;1427903335;deedbot-;imported: E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD 1082242;1427903345;pete_dushenski;win 1082243;1427903361;ben_vulpes;spamgun bothering anyone else recently? 1082244;1427903589;trinque;ben_vulpes: email? 1082245;1427903904;pete_dushenski;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3XKY6RW.txt 1082246;1427903905;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhGl2s ) 1082247;1427903905;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1082248;1427903932;pete_dushenski;^jurov 1082249;1427904164;ben_vulpes;trinque: yup. 1082250;1427904184;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeah, silly amounts of spam over here too 1082251;1427904201;ben_vulpes;trinque: are you familiar with the story of ninjashogun aka robert viragh? 1082252;1427904271;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWY79JCfhjw << hehe derpbama is a talkshow host now. 1082253;1427904272;assbot;A Conversation with President Obama and The Wire Creator David Simon - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhHgjA ) 1082254;1427904303;pete_dushenski;already warming up for life post-2016 and the endless tours of conferences and speaking engagements 1082255;1427904310;trinque;ben_vulpes: not specifically, logs suggest he's a scammer, loudmouth, etc 1082256;1427904390;nubbins`;i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business 1082257;1427904451;pete_dushenski;david simon clearly wondering to himself "why did i agree to let this guy grandstand about things he doesn't know about?" 1082258;1427904474;pete_dushenski;"my god he's boring" 1082259;1427904492;hanbot;jurov:hanbot should log in once more and join BTC-TC auction << the what now? 1082260;1427904602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00025061 = 25.0109 BTC [+] {2} 1082261;1427904626;pete_dushenski;!s auction 1082262;1427904627;assbot;358 results for 'auction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=auction 1082263;1427904661;pete_dushenski;hm try this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990106.0 1082264;1427904662;assbot;BTCT.CO (BTC Trading Corp) Server with Code (also ran litecoinglobal.com) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhImf7 ) 1082265;1427904702;pete_dushenski;^"very successful exchange" for sale 1082266;1427904707;jurov;yes, make an april joke mpex is interested 1082267;1427904712;pete_dushenski;yours for the low low price of $100k 1082268;1427904720;pete_dushenski;heh 1082269;1427904749;jurov;pete_dushenski: i'm not sure what you request? that i should keep the shares in custody? 1082270;1427904806;pete_dushenski;'custody' = 'holding' 1082271;1427904809;pete_dushenski;so yes, please 1082272;1427904874;pete_dushenski;unless you mean sometime other than 'transfer to pete_d's coinbr account' when you say 'custody' 1082273;1427904887;pete_dushenski;something* 1082274;1427904922;pete_dushenski;shloop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/01/the-internet-is-a-playground/ 1082275;1427904923;assbot;The Internet is a playground. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhIZW8 ) 1082276;1427904947;jurov;i undersand what you mean, but it's ambiguous 1082277;1427904972;jurov;cuz the srares alread y are on coinbr, just not yet claimed 1082278;1427904986;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: the 25' steel twirly slide i once clambered upon the outside of as a child has been replaced by a 5' doofy plastic thing 1082279;1427905019;ben_vulpes;also didn't the log thing happen last year as well? 1082280;1427905098;trinque;pete_dushenski: yer thing's up on deedbot.org as of the last block 1082281;1427905158;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=1-04-2014#596446 << 'twas a scrambling last year 1082282;1427905158;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2014 02:27:44; mike_c: omg. the log is remapping pathways in my brain. it's making me dyslexic. 1082283;1427905173;ben_vulpes;oh funny - assbot gets the right handle 1082284;1427905175;pete_dushenski;jurov: well i'm glad you understand :) 1082285;1427905200;pete_dushenski;trinque: first deedbot deed for pd in the record books! 1082286;1427905208;mike_c;ben_vulpes: yes, he is committed. 1082287;1427905221;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: same... the tallest structure is now maybe half what it was 20 years ago 1082288;1427905257;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: last year's log hurt my head something fierce! 1082289;1427905306;pete_dushenski;i genuinely thought that everyone in here was scrambling their words in some kind of pattern, eg 5-3-4-1-2 but i couldn't crack the code 1082290;1427905348;jurov;lolwut 1082291;1427905375;hanbot;"I am barred by the SEC settlement from doing anything securities related for two years anyway." oh help me rhonda 1082292;1427905596;pete_dushenski;"GoDaddy shares opened at $26.15, 31% above its initial public offering price." << wait, why the fuck are they going public in the first place ? 1082293;1427905665;mike_c;same reason as everyone else? 1082294;1427905682;pete_dushenski;ya, kinda rhetorical i guess 1082295;1427905683;mike_c;they got bought out by PE that wants its money. 1082296;1427905720;pete_dushenski;speaking of pe, the ontario teacher's pension fund continues to kill it 1082297;1427905753;pete_dushenski;they saw 22% growth in the pe holdings in 2014 1082298;1427905781;pete_dushenski;ya never know, mebbe those teachers won't starve 1082299;1427905954;pete_dushenski;!up bitstein 1082300;1427905970;pete_dushenski;howdy bitstein 1082301;1427905999;bitstein;hey hey hey 1082302;1427906005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00025091 = 10.1869 BTC [+] {2} 1082303;1427906065;pete_dushenski;so about that post-twitter life... 1082304;1427906078;bitstein;feelsgoodman.jpg 1082305;1427906137;danielpbarron;i'm honestly surprised my account isn't suspended yet 1082306;1427906165;danielpbarron;i've been blocked by so many sews 1082307;1427906213;pete_dushenski;plugging your ears and hoping that the bad words don't leak in must be a terrible way to live 1082308;1427906231;pete_dushenski;bitstein: so much extra time on your hands eh ?! 1082309;1427906324;pete_dushenski;without that news thirst being quenched (qntra can only do so much) i've found myself blog hopping and reading more dead tree books 1082310;1427906336;pete_dushenski;and... spending more time here 1082311;1427906346;bitstein;pete_dushenski: indeed. suddenly thoughts turn more back to work and play rather than how to amass fake internet points 1082312;1427906364;pete_dushenski;remember klout ? 1082313;1427906375;bitstein;i try not to 1082314;1427906390;pete_dushenski;my goodness that thing pretty much single handedly ruined sm 1082315;1427906505;bitstein;sounds like someone didn't have a very good score 1082316;1427906523;pete_dushenski;i had a score ? 1082317;1427906653;bitstein;The Ministry of Analytics keeps a score on everyone's social media success: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xNnRBksvOU 1082318;1427906654;assbot;Brazil (Terry Gilliam, 1985) - Ministry of Information - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ajeSTW ) 1082319;1427906777;trinque;I love that movie. 1082320;1427906777;pete_dushenski;man they can hustle! 1082321;1427906840;*;pete_dushenski adds it to his list 1082322;1427906863;bitstein;trinque: Robert de Niro's my favorite in it 1082323;1427907001;jurov;!mpif 1082324;1427907002;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021357 B (Total: 467.04 B). Delta: -0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] 1082325;1427907011;jurov;!t m f.mpif 1082326;1427907011;assbot;Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way? 1082327;1427907023;nubbins`;heh 1082328;1427907056;jurov;looks like it wasn't traded at all 1082329;1427907064;jurov;las 30d 1082330;1427907261;pete_dushenski;bitstein: speaking of de niro, i just watched mean streets the other night 1082331;1427907290;pete_dushenski;come to think of it, mebbe i should do an article on mean streets 1082332;1427907290;bitstein;how was that? 1082333;1427907329;pete_dushenski;de niro was killer. he was the cock of the walk, a smooth customer 1082334;1427907373;pete_dushenski;the film definitely had some moments that are hard to imagine happening today 1082335;1427907416;pete_dushenski;ok ima write this up 1082336;1427907442;bitstein;I put it on my list. 1082337;1427907770;nubbins`;*cough* 1082338;1427907772;nubbins`;!s ima write this up 1082339;1427907773;assbot;5 results for 'ima write this up' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ima+write+this+up 1082340;1427910831;ben_vulpes;http://com.goog 1082341;1427910831;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1COcnUg ) 1082342;1427910836;ben_vulpes;http://com.google 1082343;1427910837;assbot;elgooG ... ( http://bit.ly/1COcuis ) 1082344;1427910917;nubbins`;heh 1082345;1427911133;ben_vulpes;holy heck a whole half btc of donations this month 1082346;1427911172;ben_vulpes;thanks again for the accounting, jurov 1082347;1427911382;mats;nao you can finally retire in luxury 1082348;1427911409;ben_vulpes;in somalia 1082349;1427911421;jurov;deedbot- http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201503.txt.asc 1082350;1427911422;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1COhB28 ) 1082351;1427911451;trinque;jurov: pls to be sticking on dpaste 1082352;1427911453;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1082353;1427911472;trinque;also up the thing; I will let people know when things have changed 1082354;1427911474;*;ascii_field still doesn't have a buildable bitcoind-0.5.3.1 1082355;1427911478;trinque;for now, real life duty calls 1082356;1427911501;jurov;it will always be limited to dpaste? 1082357;1427911523;ascii_field;not even my old patch fixes it any more. 1082358;1427911562;ascii_field;results in 'error: reference to ‘int64_t’ is ambiguous' and many litres of consequent barf 1082359;1427911569;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: pogo or...? 1082360;1427911572;ascii_field;amd64 1082361;1427911578;ascii_field;standard auto.sh build 1082362;1427911598;ben_vulpes;bwat. 1082363;1427911607;ben_vulpes;virgin foundation tarball? 1082364;1427911631;ascii_field;this is -after- i apply my http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/asciilifeform-porta-tronic_67d6162e1cc78b3a6aca584e2123e59fdee189f6.patch << the second half, you folks did merge the first 1082365;1427911632;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1COjCvm ) 1082366;1427911641;ascii_field;without it - the barf quoted last night. 1082367;1427911662;trinque;jurov: nope, just until the next time I have a spare evening 1082368;1427911745;ascii_field;nm - the c++03 thing wasn't pre-merged either 1082369;1427911756;ascii_field;at any rate, my patch no longer fixes the build on my boxes. 1082370;1427911772;nubbins`;yeah, the -l z line was removed 1082371;1427911783;nubbins`;nothing else from your portatronic patch is in 0.5.3.1 1082372;1427911792;ascii_field;it doesn't work with or without. 1082373;1427911812;nubbins`;stock 0.5.3.1 works? 1082374;1427911817;nubbins`;wait 1082375;1427911820;scoopbot;New post on serialized delusions by JuroV: http://explo.yt/post/2015/04/01/F.MPIF-March-2015-trading-statement 1082376;1427911870;nubbins`;ascii_field you're saying 0.5.3.1-RELEASE won't compile /and/ it won't compile after you merge your portatronic patch? 1082377;1427911875;ascii_field;aha. 1082378;1427911878;ascii_field;different barfs 1082379;1427911900;nubbins`;ah! 1082380;1427911912;nubbins`;you have compiled stock 0.5.3 tho? 1082381;1427911920;ascii_field;'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' without patch 1082382;1427911922;ascii_field;with - see above. 1082383;1427911945;ascii_field;stock - yes. 1082384;1427911948;nubbins`;ok 1082385;1427911970;ascii_field;the new static build won't crank even with my patch. 1082386;1427911972;nubbins`;out of all the patches included in 0.5.3.1, only one of them actually adds code. all the rest just snip. 1082387;1427912009;nubbins`;might be worth reverifying the couple that you didn't write, maybe even the manifest trim thing 1082388;1427912018;ascii_field;as far as i can tell, the behaviour of gcc is somehow minutely different 1082389;1427912024;ascii_field;because of changes in the build system 1082390;1427912025;nubbins`;what ver of gcc? 1082391;1427912036;ascii_field;4.8.3 on this box 1082392;1427912047;ascii_field;4.9.2 on other 1082393;1427912049;ascii_field;same results 1082394;1427912052;nubbins`;ah 1082395;1427912066;nubbins`;i compiled 0.5.3.1 on darwin w/ 4.9.2 1082396;1427912208;ascii_field;i believe it 1082397;1427912261;nubbins`;are you getting that error in the actual bitcoind compile, or one of the deps? 1082398;1427912267;ascii_field;bitcoind 1082399;1427912270;ascii_field;deps build fine. 1082400;1427912328;nubbins`;ok, a couple sources suggest instead of using using boost/cstdint.hpp 1082401;1427912358;nubbins`;seems to be as many different solutions as there are people asking the problem, which is never a good sign 1082402;1427912421;ascii_field;nubbins`: verified just now that it does not fix. 1082403;1427912437;nubbins`;there was another lib suggested, where is it 1082404;1427912585;nubbins`;try 1082405;1427912634;ascii_field;error This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options. 1082406;1427912651;nubbins`;er yeah, there's that too :S 1082407;1427912653;ascii_field;^ and i refuse to do this. 1082408;1427912658;ascii_field;because I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO 1082409;1427912711;nubbins`;might be worth finding out if/where uint32_t actually is hiding on your system 1082410;1427912719;ascii_field;this should not matter! 1082411;1427912726;nubbins`;hey, agreed 1082412;1427912738;ascii_field;and it lives in stdint 1082413;1427912743;ascii_field;like on everyone else's box 1082414;1427912776;nubbins`;are you using your auto.sh or the 0.5.3.1-RELEASE one? 1082415;1427912781;ascii_field;release 1082416;1427912785;ascii_field;i was trying to build the release. 1082417;1427912788;nubbins`;nod 1082418;1427912858;ascii_field;including stdint.h (as per my patch) in util.h gives 1082419;1427912881;ascii_field;bitcoinrpc.cpp:1761:49: error: reference to ‘int64_t’ is ambiguous 1082420;1427912882;ascii_field; result.push_back(Pair("coinbasevalue", (int64_t)pblock->vtx[0].vout[0].nValue)); 1082421;1427912882;ascii_field; ^ 1082422;1427912882;ascii_field;In file included from /usr/include/stdlib.h:314:0, 1082423;1427912882;ascii_field; from /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/include/g++-v4/cstdlib:72, 1082424;1427912884;ascii_field; from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/config/platform/linux.hpp:15, 1082425;1427912887;ascii_field; from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/config.hpp:53, 1082426;1427912889;ascii_field; from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/foreach.hpp:30, 1082427;1427912890;ascii_field; from headers.h:7, 1082428;1427912893;ascii_field; from bitcoinrpc.cpp:6: 1082429;1427912894;ascii_field; __intN_t (64, __DI__); [... snipped many pages of crud ... ] 1082430;1427912903;nubbins`;ah, it's /ambiguous/. that's different 1082431;1427912910;ascii_field;this is AFTER my patch 1082432;1427912918;nubbins`;o 1082433;1427912929;ascii_field;before - see earlier. 1082434;1427912947;nubbins`;k i gotcha 1082435;1427913043;nubbins`;is boost/cstdint.hpp or included in bitcoinrpc.cpp, by any chance? 1082436;1427913078;ascii_field;nope 1082437;1427913090;nubbins`;:S 1082438;1427913090;ascii_field;nubbins` has a copy too, can read it, no ? 1082439;1427913099;nubbins`;oh you! 1082440;1427913115;nubbins`;plz to uname -a 1082441;1427913195;ascii_field;gentoo as always 1082442;1427913203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66964 @ 0.00025101 = 16.8086 BTC [+] 1082443;1427913205;ascii_field;x86_64 1082444;1427913247;nubbins`;once this buildroot compile finishes i'll give it a try on my gentoo vm 1082445;1427913271;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1082446;1427913504;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10955275#msg10955275 1082447;1427913505;assbot;Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fi8h6y ) 1082448;1427913539;nubbins`;^ for those who wish to see goods traded without regard for fiat cost 1082449;1427913691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79100 @ 0.00025101 = 19.8549 BTC [+] 1082450;1427914163;mats;http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/when-will-the-ecb-start-to-taper/ 1082451;1427914168;assbot;When Will The ECB Start To Taper? | A Fistful Of Euros ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5jJp0 ) 1082452;1427914274;BingoBoingo;http://gitweb.dragonflybsd.org/dragonfly.git/commit/3c1984199065628a4c54b8c89f815f9edfa55c8f 1082453;1427914277;assbot;gitweb.dragonflybsd.org Git - dragonfly.git/commit ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5jMRA ) 1082454;1427914330;ascii_field;fact is, that thing - as written - should build on NO ONE's machine - given as util.h is using a type that is not defined therein, nor anywhere else! (stdint.h is not included in -any- of the files) 1082455;1427914819;nubbins`;huh. 1082456;1427914848;ascii_field;uint32_t is not defined by anything in or linked from the bitcoind sources. 1082457;1427914872;ascii_field;if your gcc sees it, it is apparently because it does non-standard things behind your back 1082458;1427914872;*;nubbins` envisions a .foundation standardized build environment in the near future 1082459;1427914892;ben_vulpes;waaa 1082460;1427914898;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: yes. 1082461;1427914907;ben_vulpes;DUDE. 1082462;1427914919;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: don't take my word for it 1082463;1427914920;ascii_field;try it. 1082464;1427914934;ben_vulpes;i built the damn thing before we shipped that tarball. 1082465;1427914941;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: on what ? 1082466;1427914951;ben_vulpes;debian 6 vm. 1082467;1427914959;ascii_field;which gcc ? 1082468;1427914965;ben_vulpes;that i do not recall offhand 1082469;1427914968;ben_vulpes;hold plz 1082470;1427915028;nubbins`;fwiw i installed fresh 4.9.2 via homebrew right before i compiled bitcoind on darwin64 1082471;1427915089;danielpbarron;i have not been able to build the latest release either / same problem ascii has described 1082472;1427915089;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 1082473;1427915116;ben_vulpes;mind you my whole env is structured around reproducing what would have been in the wild ca. the 0.5.3 release 1082474;1427915124;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1082475;1427915176;nubbins`;4.4.5, that's older by a few minor revs 1082476;1427915191;ben_vulpes;myup. 1082477;1427915195;nubbins`;was that current cca. 0.5.3? 1082478;1427915211;ben_vulpes;that's from a debian that was current ca 0.5.3... 1082479;1427915219;nubbins`;ah 1082480;1427915238;ben_vulpes;probably ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade as well, 'cause i dun know any better 1082481;1427915246;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: plz to report build failures! 1082482;1427915305;ben_vulpes;ascii_field, nubbins`: debian 6.0.10 1082483;1427915638;nubbins`;!up McNumpty 1082484;1427915682;nubbins`;Chillum you hear of this "rosin" stuff all the west coast hippies are on about? 1082485;1427915713;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: isn't that the stuff with which you enfrictionalize your bow? 1082486;1427915726;nubbins`;yes. also makes solder flow nicely. 1082487;1427915735;nubbins`;generalized, rosin is produced from resin 1082488;1427915745;ascii_field;also found in traditional sealing wax, iirc. 1082489;1427915750;nubbins`;i'm asking Chillum about a specific regional variation thereof 1082490;1427915755;ascii_field;at least in the recipe i was taught 1082491;1427915757;ben_vulpes;DRUGS 1082492;1427915762;thestringpuller;DRUGS!!!!!! 1082493;1427915767;ben_vulpes;terrist. 1082494;1427915783;nubbins`;ascii_field +1 1082495;1427915804;nubbins`;anyway hippies have now discovered that if you take a hair straightening iron and crush marijuana buds with it 1082496;1427915810;nubbins`;rosin squirts out 1082497;1427915839;ascii_field;why specifically that heat source ? 1082498;1427915848;nubbins`;$12 at local drug store 1082499;1427915852;nubbins`;it's their pogo 1082500;1427915860;ascii_field;what's next, smoking out of the desoldering iron sold at ratshack ? 1082501;1427915865;nubbins`;the serious types upgrade to a large t-shirt heat press 1082502;1427915865;ascii_field;the one with the rubber squeeze bulb 1082503;1427915871;nubbins`;ha 1082504;1427915887;nubbins`;ascii's face when low-end "vaporizers" are essentially this 1082505;1427915922;ascii_field;i thought 'low end vaporizer' was a glass bottle and a candle 1082506;1427915937;nubbins`;lightbulb and a butane torch! 1082507;1427915945;*;ascii_field not expert 1082508;1427915968;*;nubbins` had portable vaporizer, fit in hand, ~size of "family" walkie talkies 1082509;1427915985;ascii_field;nubbins`: how does it work ? 1082510;1427916022;nubbins`;rechargeable Li battery powering a heat coil around a barrel-shaped oven chamber 1082511;1427916040;nubbins`;8-seg display and target temp controls 1082512;1427916062;nubbins`;you pack chamber w/ grass, close lid, let unit heat up, inhale thru straw 1082513;1427916072;ascii_field;high-tech! 1082514;1427916112;nubbins`;it really is 1082515;1427916122;nubbins`;you could cook chicken nuggets in it 1082516;1427916124;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/QRfRr5a.jpg 1082517;1427916125;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CxOZch ) 1082518;1427916139;ascii_field;but how do you know how much dose you end up with ? 1082519;1427916150;ben_vulpes;and this is why i don't vape. 1082520;1427916150;ascii_field;i.e. is there a volumetric gauge ? 1082521;1427916159;ben_vulpes;titration story is woefully inadequate. 1082522;1427916195;mats;buncha druggies 1082523;1427916197;nubbins`;ascii_field a discerning user would weigh a dose on a scale, say 0.1-0.2g 1082524;1427916213;ascii_field;nubbins`: but wouldn't the concentration in the leaf itself vary / 1082525;1427916214;ascii_field;? 1082526;1427916228;nubbins`;the unit works best when packed fully but not tightly, which is generally around this weight 1082527;1427916243;nubbins`;ascii_field from strain to strain, yes 1082528;1427916260;mats;p hard to evaluate dosage without getting lab quality wax 1082529;1427916308;Chillum;nubbins`: I don't like the various solid extracts being made these days 1082530;1427916309;nubbins`;ascii_field "med shops" and "compassion clubs" will offer dozens of strains, each with different percentages of the various cannabinoids 1082531;1427916341;ascii_field;wtf is a 'compassion club' 1082532;1427916348;ben_vulpes;what's the difference between acuitas and acuitatis? 1082533;1427916354;nubbins`;stores that sell dope to people who say they're sick 1082534;1427916377;nubbins`;generally openly and in areas where not explicitly legal to do so 1082535;1427916391;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: generally a single control intake is enough to calibrate against a given 'purchase' 1082536;1427916400;nubbins`;Chillum probably has hundreds of such places within a few hours' drive 1082537;1427916443;danielpbarron;lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence 1082538;1427916461;Chillum;nubbins`: 2 blocks, another in 4 blocks 1082539;1427916469;nubbins`;ascii_field ^ 1082540;1427916498;Chillum;I think about 6 in the city 1082541;1427916630;ascii_field;the uint32_t thing is infuriatingly retarded 1082542;1427916636;ascii_field;i mean, wtf 1082543;1427916656;lobbes; lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence < exactly this. 1082544;1427916666;lobbes;ascii_field: I feel like I'm thanking you every week for some reading material, but thanks for the orlov introduction. It is becoming my latest addiction 1082545;1427916690;ascii_field;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/02/09#l1328812405 << the schmucks having same problem 1082546;1427916691;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzLh2H ) 1082547;1427916728;ascii_field;lobbes: generally, the earliest orlov is the best 1082548;1427916857;nubbins`;<+lobbes> lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence < exactly this. <<< oh, agreed, i find the ratio of thc to other cbds makes way more of a difference 1082549;1427916888;nubbins`;ascii_field there's also a very wide comfortable dose range 1082550;1427916998;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1082551;1427917075;BingoBoingo;!up chmod755_ 1082552;1427918195;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082145 << "usg employee agrees to testify in court that the usg owns an amount of bitcoin that the usg wishes to be known it owns." 1082553;1427918195;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 12:16:22; assbot: In a plea bargain, former DEA agent agrees to return 665,950 BTC stolen from MtGOX in 2013 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtcXr1 ) 1082554;1427918212;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 4/1 1082555;1427918217;mircea_popescu;hey, at least after calling out their usms scam, they're now forced to put dea agents "in prison" to try and certify ownership over imaginary stakes of btc. 1082556;1427918234;mircea_popescu;still doesn't do as much as deedbot'd do. 1082557;1427918283;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yeah, only fo real. 1082558;1427918324;ascii_field;i'll believe if it remains 'real' tomorrow. 1082559;1427918328;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082152 << i dun follow this logic ? 1082560;1427918328;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 12:32:18; nubbins`: protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows 1082561;1427918347;nubbins`;mountains of plastic 1082562;1427918371;mircea_popescu;do you mean one of those $20 a pop coffee makers with about half liter of carafe ? 1082563;1427918374;nubbins`;if you cared anything about, say, not making these: you wouldn't use a keurig in the first place 1082564;1427918385;nubbins`;the pod ones 1082565;1427918435;lobbes;I never understood those, either. Even if you want one cup of coffee.. just use one cup of water 1082566;1427918449;mircea_popescu;o that stuff. i don't know anyone that uses it o.O 1082567;1427918459;mircea_popescu;i guess i don't date widely enough in the aging hipster crowd. 1082568;1427918477;ascii_field;they are used by folks too lazy to wash machine or measure, grind the beans 1082569;1427918484;nubbins`;yeah, i obv don't carry the numbers in long-term storage, but they're incredibly pervasive and just as wasteful 1082570;1427918489;ascii_field;the machine sorta does for coffee what the brass shell did for the rifle 1082571;1427918493;BingoBoingo; do you mean one of those $20 a pop coffee makers with about half liter of carafe ? << In usia measuring the coffee grounds to use one of those became "Too Hard"(TM) hence now people buy grounds in pre measured plastic cartridges 1082572;1427918514;nubbins`;then the idea of a user-refillable pod came about 1082573;1427918516;mircea_popescu;dude who cares, just fill the filter. 1082574;1427918521;BingoBoingo;^ 1082575;1427918524;nubbins`;now the new coffee machines have DRM 1082576;1427918525;nubbins`;:0 1082577;1427918531;mircea_popescu;lmao 1082578;1427918536;nubbins`;srs 1082579;1427918537;BingoBoingo;They are too lazy, this is what Bush and Obama did 1082580;1427918539;mircea_popescu;what "rights" ? 1082581;1427918555;nubbins`;the right to only pour hot water through authorized plastic widgets 1082582;1427918563;mircea_popescu;... 1082583;1427918566;nubbins`;right? 1082584;1427918583;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: nubbins` is not making this up. i have seen this machine. 1082585;1427918583;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i seriously do not know why anyone thinks one of these machines is easier or tastier than a simple pour-over 1082586;1427918595;ascii_field;nubbins`: easier because don't have to wash. 1082587;1427918600;mircea_popescu;there's just no way any government can be organised to deliver the sort of humiliating, depersonalising, invasive experience the us folk have come to expect. 1082588;1427918611;mircea_popescu;the only way for them to get what they want is private initiative. 1082589;1427918614;mircea_popescu;of like, the mongols. 1082590;1427918624;nubbins`;;;google filthy keurig water tank 1082591;1427918625;gribble;snopes.com: Keurigs Harbor Mold, Bacteria, and Algae: ; How to Clean (Eliminate Mold in Water Reservoir) and Care for a ...: ; How to Clean Your Keurig - A Few Short Cuts: 1082592;1427918631;nubbins`;"don't have to wash" 8) 1082593;1427918649;mircea_popescu;i think if isis took over say pennsylvania, and forced all sorts of bizarro stuff upon the citizenry, there'd finally be a huge sigh of satisfied submission. 1082594;1427918657;nubbins`;lel snopes! 1082595;1427918663;mircea_popescu;this nickle and dime "we'll poke at your asshole a little if you go to an airport" thing isn't cutting it. 1082596;1427918705;nubbins`;one result of the plastification of the world is that everything's shaped to harbour mold now 1082597;1427918744;mircea_popescu;mold is your friend. 1082598;1427918770;mircea_popescu;(also, it's not just the shape. plastics are pretty much ideal substrate for microorganisms) 1082599;1427918815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00025101 = 16.5918 BTC [+] 1082600;1427918826;BingoBoingo;!up 1082601;1427918830;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1082602;1427918834;nubbins`;yeah. 1082603;1427918859;ascii_field;ben_vulpes et al: so i fix the idiot integer bugs (despite which this apparently built on various folks' machines) - and now http://dpaste.com/3NA25E9.txt 1082604;1427918860;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5pZgn ) 1082605;1427918886;nubbins`;wow, a guy just sent me a photograph of a pgp-signed custody document, with a piece of paper over his personal info, saying "this should be enough, preferably you don't need to know the other 19 coin addresses" 1082606;1427918887;nubbins`;:0 1082607;1427918929;mircea_popescu;re " warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking" ascii_field wtf is that shit !? 1082608;1427918949;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the result of attempting to build the latest static 0.5.3 on my boxes. 1082609;1427918963;mircea_popescu;do i misunderstand what statically linked means ? 1082610;1427918966;mircea_popescu;nubbins` enough fore what ? 1082611;1427918993;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: after fixing a number of typedef bugs which, going BY THE FUCKING BOOK OF CPP ought to prevent the thing from building ANYWHERE 1082612;1427918995;nubbins`;enough for me to verify that there exists a piece of paper with a bunch of pgp shit on it that i can't do anything with 1082613;1427919005;mircea_popescu;ascii_field so wtf is this ?! 1082614;1427919024;nubbins`;"this heavily redacted version of a pgp-signed document should be enough" 1082615;1427919047;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no i get that part, but why is some derp proving stuff to you and what sutff ? you running kyc nao ? 1082616;1427919059;nubbins`;naw i wanna buy a casascius coin from him 1082617;1427919062;mircea_popescu;oh oh 1082618;1427919065;nubbins`;and i want him to prove he's the first owner 1082619;1427919075;mircea_popescu;yeah toitally. should be enough o.O 1082620;1427919079;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: to make long story short, therealbitcoin's release does not build on any of my boxes. 1082621;1427919100;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: after discovering and eliminating several of the reasons for this, i discover a new one. 1082622;1427919114;mircea_popescu;that's one thing. the other thing is, what the fuck do you mean "x in statically linked application requires material from gcc used at the time" 1082623;1427919131;mircea_popescu;this is the exact opposite of what statically linekd means. 1082624;1427919149;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: as you probably suspected, static linking as such is broken on extant systems. 1082625;1427919160;ascii_field;no one has used it for much of anything long enough, apparently. 1082626;1427919161;mircea_popescu;well this'd be a fucking problem. 1082627;1427919164;ascii_field;allowed to 'rust'. 1082628;1427919184;mircea_popescu;because now we don't know if it opesn't build because of it or because of you 1082629;1427919190;mircea_popescu;and for crying out loud. 1082630;1427919210;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: my tests consisted of two gentoo boxes, one 'old and grey', the other built in october. 1082631;1427919225;mircea_popescu;and the failed static linking happens on both ? 1082632;1427919228;ascii_field;aha 1082633;1427919234;ascii_field;ditto the integer errors 1082634;1427919256;ascii_field;(which result from my gcc NOT going behind my back and inserting stdint exactly where wanted, the way everyone else's apparently does) 1082635;1427919261;mircea_popescu;is there some obscuritas in tenebrae switch or something needed on gcc when REALLY statically linking ? 1082636;1427919318;thestringpuller;dr. ascii_field do you hate python? 1082637;1427919331;ascii_field;has any of you lot checked to see that the executable resulting from this build ACTUALL contains the openssl built by auto.sh ? 1082638;1427919334;ascii_field;and not the systemwide one 1082639;1427919353;ascii_field;thestringpuller: i only ever use it as a less-carcinogenic substitute for perl 1082640;1427919354;mircea_popescu;the cancer is so advanced x.x 1082641;1427919387;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082256 << yeah, but implemented in wetware. 1082642;1427919387;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 16:06:30; nubbins`: i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business 1082643;1427919435;mircea_popescu;ascii_field for that matter, you know, why the systemwide one ? the correct one! downloaded from nist.will.pwn.your.box.edu 1082644;1427919436;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: see, my boxes are set up to do precisely what i explicitly ask'em to do 1082645;1427919460;ascii_field;and not 'helpful' crap behind me back 1082646;1427919462;mircea_popescu;ascii_field listen, would you consider putting up reference compositions ? 1082647;1427919470;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: compositions ? 1082648;1427919474;mircea_popescu;for w/e you use ? sort of like "this is alf's hammer" 1082649;1427919480;ascii_field;as in, disk image with compilators, etc ? 1082650;1427919484;mircea_popescu;yes. 1082651;1427919490;mircea_popescu;or w/e exact form most adequate. 1082652;1427919505;mircea_popescu;the idea is, for someone wanting to copy your environment, to be able to do so with minimal work 1082653;1427919506;ascii_field;i suppose mircea_popescu wants one that runs on qemu or bochs or the like 1082654;1427919510;mircea_popescu;a sh script 1082655;1427919515;ascii_field;iron-independent 1082656;1427919532;mircea_popescu;well, not necessarily. 1082657;1427919541;mircea_popescu;if it comes with a specification of parts that's also workable. 1082658;1427919545;mircea_popescu;as a for instance. 1082659;1427919562;mircea_popescu;the idea is, it seems clear to me that mere package-level specification is dysfunctional./ 1082660;1427919573;mircea_popescu;this bs where we write down what we put into make or w/e does clearly not work. 1082661;1427919610;ascii_field;parts that i mention in public have a tendency to become... less obtainable 1082662;1427919613;mircea_popescu;and so what we're essentially doing when confronted with a bad software stack (pick a pogo, fix the os, run it there) is the correct solution not just for THAT one problem 1082663;1427919614;ascii_field;so emulator probably better 1082664;1427919619;mircea_popescu;but for all the problems derived from the same source. 1082665;1427919623;mircea_popescu;and so... universalised. 1082666;1427919627;ascii_field;but everyone will have to make peace with 30x lengthened build times. 1082667;1427919634;ascii_field;and shuttling crud to/from the emu 1082668;1427919639;mircea_popescu;emulators are a bad idea. just keep mentioning parts in public. 1082669;1427919642;ascii_field;like we're nintendo devs 1082670;1427919666;ascii_field;incidentally, perhaps you folks remember that i wanted to do this, in the beginning 1082671;1427919672;mircea_popescu;vaguely. 1082672;1427919686;mircea_popescu;i had no fucking idea, then, of exactly the state of rot in foss. 1082673;1427919691;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888337 1082674;1427919691;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2014 18:16:50; asciilifeform: no, that's braindamaged. qemu image - complete minimal bsd with all components, boots up (emulated) on any arch from any culture. 1082675;1427919698;mircea_popescu;but the more i look at it the scarier it gets. 1082676;1427919725;mircea_popescu;ascii_field an "emulation" is basically "let's run a vps". noty. 1082677;1427919799;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082256 << maybe you should make forms. 1082678;1427919799;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 16:06:30; nubbins`: i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business 1082679;1427919805;mircea_popescu;oops wrong link. 1082680;1427919813;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082269 << maybe you should make forms. 1082681;1427919813;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 16:12:29; jurov: pete_dushenski: i'm not sure what you request? that i should keep the shares in custody? 1082682;1427919866;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: vps << i said emulation, not virtualization 1082683;1427919876;mircea_popescu;the difference is minute. 1082684;1427919887;ascii_field;emulated machine will run same on 'cray' build in '88 and on 'multivac' in the year 3000. 1082685;1427919896;ascii_field;think nintendo or commodore emulators used today. 1082686;1427919902;ascii_field;the difference is not at all minute 1082687;1427919907;mircea_popescu;"same" for any definition of same that doesn't include, say, someone stealing your data. 1082688;1427919950;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: think for a minute. not suggesting to run battlefield apparatus -on- emulator. but a place to standardize imaginary machine for cross-compilators. 1082689;1427919957;ascii_field;like knuth's 'mix' 1082690;1427919978;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i am actually suggesting people move their day to day computing AWAY from "linux" or from "gentoo" which are MEANINGLESSSSSSSSS 1082691;1427919988;felipelalli;here only to say that http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063881 worked! I got a fright hell! 1082692;1427919988;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 04:00:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063215 <<< note the important takeaway here. nothing keeps people in other places with shit banks from being intelligent, getting in wot, becoming part of the actual bitcoin marketplace. there's people here from all over the world. over time, a low effort / consumer thing like btcjam HAS TO devolve into the typical check advance / spam loan operation. 1082693;1427919990;mircea_popescu;to SPECIFIED stacks of SPECIFIED software made by identified people. 1082694;1427919993;ascii_field;beginning to see where mircea_popescu is going 1082695;1427919996;ascii_field;buildroot for pc... 1082696;1427920008;mircea_popescu;so i run "alf". 1082697;1427920012;ascii_field;essentially, suggesting that we sit down and become 'gentoo' 1082698;1427920041;mircea_popescu;ascii_field exactly. which is why i said, "when confronted with a bad software stack (pick a pogo, fix the os, run it there) is the correct solution not just for THAT one problem but for all the problems derived from the same source." 1082699;1427920050;mircea_popescu;there's nothing magic about usgavin trying to fuck up the bitcoin stack. 1082700;1427920060;mircea_popescu;he's not distinguishable from poettering trying to fuck up the linux userland 1082701;1427920072;mircea_popescu;or from a whole array of equivalent muppets all "doing their part". 1082702;1427920076;mircea_popescu;same problem, same solution. 1082703;1427920077;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is only the 3rd or 4th fella to suggest that i take up maintaining a linux planet 1082704;1427920087;mircea_popescu;not a planet mind you. 1082705;1427920090;mircea_popescu;just a place. 1082706;1427920095;ascii_field;it's a planet. 1082707;1427920103;ascii_field;try to understand how the original gentoo went to seed 1082708;1427920106;mircea_popescu;"you want to be here, you must buy nvidia hf-333 for a video card" is perfectly okay. 1082709;1427920116;mircea_popescu;consider ^ 1082710;1427920135;ascii_field;titanic amount of work for one schmuck's spare time. 1082711;1427920143;mircea_popescu;this is incidentally not a bug. it is a feature. it helps us put pressure on hw manufacturers too 1082712;1427920152;mircea_popescu;"we don't want your latest version. we want X. fuck you." 1082713;1427920168;mircea_popescu;this entire "latest version" bullcrap has to go away anyway. 1082714;1427920175;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: thing is, look how the 'freeze it all in amber' thing works on bitcoind. 1082715;1427920196;mircea_popescu;ascii_field shouldn't be any extra work really. just, bundle the software with a description of the hardware. 1082716;1427920205;ascii_field;herculian labour, and it's one piddling proggy 1082717;1427920210;mircea_popescu;don't tell me we lost the "interchangeable parts" to THAT degree. 1082718;1427920214;ascii_field;we did. 1082719;1427920220;mircea_popescu;what the fuck do you mean ? 1082720;1427920235;mircea_popescu;a bitwise copy of your current system on an assemblage of the same hardware wouldn't boot ? 1082721;1427920266;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if exactly same, then will. this is kinda my notion with 'pogo'. 1082722;1427920279;mircea_popescu;so then. 1082723;1427920306;ascii_field;but the devil lives in the details. i have on my desk, for example, two nominally-identical microcontrollers which behave - differently. 1082724;1427920316;ascii_field;in some errata sheet there may or many not be an explanation. 1082725;1427920329;ascii_field;this also applies to, e.g., pc southbridges 1082726;1427920336;ascii_field;ata controllers; 1082727;1427920341;ascii_field;video boards; 1082728;1427920341;ascii_field;etc. 1082729;1427920348;mircea_popescu;so you'll soon discover "same part number" when we're talking boards means exactly nothing, and we'll be stuck tracing down exact vintage ? 1082730;1427920375;ascii_field;don't take my word for it. ask another schmuck who works with low-level iron. 1082731;1427920403;ascii_field;and the plague is ancient. it is how usg ended up with its attempts to standardize cpu 1082732;1427920414;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049461 1082733;1427920414;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 01:50:22; asciilifeform: 'mil-std-1750a' for the curious. 1082734;1427920497;mircea_popescu;well, the good news is that serenissima really has no unemployment. 1082735;1427920502;mircea_popescu;we could readily employ thousands. 1082736;1427920515;ascii_field;now, i'm not saying we should all eat our nagants, nothing can be done. one can achieve some measure of stability. but as things fall apart, as they increasingly are, the fuzz at the edges will look like... this. 1082737;1427920522;ascii_field;see earlier thread re: infuriating idiocy 1082738;1427920542;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082307 << only if you're not stupid. otherwise, works great. 1082739;1427920542;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 16:36:53; pete_dushenski: plugging your ears and hoping that the bad words don't leak in must be a terrible way to live 1082740;1427920561;ascii_field;the real solution is iron standard and impalements for violators 1082741;1427920587;ascii_field;a -rational- standard against which -rational- folks won't rebel. 1082742;1427920590;chetty;lmao, vlad? 1082743;1427920601;mircea_popescu;ascii_field there is no such thing as a rational standard. 1082744;1427920609;mircea_popescu;all standards are, by the nature of what a standard is, irrational. 1082745;1427920611;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is technically right 1082746;1427920640;ascii_field;what i actually meant was 'one which is not actively insulting to the intelligence of practitioners' 1082747;1427920649;mircea_popescu;but the only way to have that 1082748;1427920651;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1082749;1427920661;mircea_popescu;is to make it actively insulting to the stupidity of the nonpractitioners. 1082750;1427920668;ascii_field;well yes. 1082751;1427920671;ascii_field;(see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 ) 1082752;1427920673;assbot;Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1CamfCx ) 1082753;1427920675;mircea_popescu;and this is a major political decision we are, as far as history knows, the ONLY group willing to make. 1082754;1427920698;BingoBoingo;https://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/01/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-engaging-significant-m << Geting qntra'd up but though I'd drop the original here nao 1082755;1427920700;assbot;Executive Order -- "Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities" | The White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1CamuO6 ) 1082756;1427920701;mircea_popescu;so willy-nilly we can't practically use the vomit of the others. 1082757;1427920732;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ima read the qntra. usually better than original. 1082758;1427920763;ascii_field;holy fuck 1082759;1427920774;BingoBoingo;^ Why linked before qntra finished 1082760;1427920790;mats;http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-navy-alarmed-at-beijings-great-wall-of-sand-in-south-china-sea/2015/04/01/dda11d76-70d7-4b69-bd87-292bd18f5918_story.html 1082761;1427920791;assbot;U.S. Navy alarmed at Beijing’s ‘Great Wall of sand’ in South China Sea - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Canq5c ) 1082762;1427920794;ascii_field;'any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, directly or indirectly, cyber-enabled activities originating from, or directed by persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a 1082763;1427920794;ascii_field;significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States...' 1082764;1427920832;BingoBoingo;Lizard fangs have been bared 1082765;1427920855;chetty;they are warming up the wagens 1082766;1427920856;mircea_popescu;welll hopefully you all got your propertah out of the us at any point during the many discussions as to teh effect. 1082767;1427920867;ascii_field;'I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of 1082768;1427920867;ascii_field;this order.' 1082769;1427920964;nubbins`;lel. 1082770;1427920971;nubbins`;donating to .foundation just got made illegal 1082771;1427920996;mircea_popescu;that's ok, donating to the irs is actually illegal. 1082772;1427921012;nubbins`;phew 1082773;1427921030;mircea_popescu;one's just gotta pick on which side they wish to live ilegally. 1082774;1427921210;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082407 << for good reason, it's not happening. 1082775;1427921210;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 18:24:13; ascii_field: ^ and i refuse to do this. 1082776;1427921243;mircea_popescu;kinda curious what ben_vulpes / mod6 make of this. 1082777;1427921260;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it built on their boxes, on account of ????? in their gcc. 1082778;1427921272;mircea_popescu;well what is the ???? 1082779;1427921272;ascii_field;and ~?????? in mine. 1082780;1427921279;mircea_popescu;maybe it's thompson's drillbit ? 1082781;1427921284;ascii_field;i promise to say when find out. 1082782;1427921336;mircea_popescu;a) i don't think think this would have been caught by pretty much any other outfit on the planet and b) i don't see the proposition we've found a deep seated hole is readily dismissable. 1082783;1427921353;mircea_popescu;for all we know, this is how the universally diddled compiler is discovered. 1082784;1427921358;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i would not waste the gentlemens' time if i did not think this were interesting. 1082785;1427921364;mircea_popescu;it is. 1082786;1427921377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23911 @ 0.00025101 = 6.0019 BTC [+] 1082787;1427921403;mircea_popescu;not for being likely, but for it being exactly the way in which that unlikely'd be seen. 1082788;1427921461;ascii_field;re: mein Führer's decree: when i tell folks i have an expiration date in the none too distant future - they laugh. 1082789;1427921463;ascii_field;still laugh ? 1082790;1427921479;mats;"three govt officials can pwn your shit at will on the basis of evidence at least as good as obama's attribution of the sony attack to north korea" 1082791;1427921519;ascii_field;mats: schmuck on the street, if any of them read it, will mutter 'good, they'll hang spammers finally' or the like. 1082792;1427921523;mats;and ya don't even have to be american to participate. democracy. 1082793;1427921575;ascii_field;as i've said perhaps a dozen times, if there isn't an icbm battery between you and the lunatic nato reich - you're fair game to them. 1082794;1427921692;mircea_popescu;mats quite exactly. 1082795;1427921701;mircea_popescu;anyone "owning" in the us is deluding themselves. 1082796;1427921718;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and especially if there is. 1082797;1427921761;ascii_field;if there is and you can demonstrate readiness to use it - as in, 'we catch ONE more blackwater in donbass and new york is glass' - then possibly no 1082798;1427921774;ascii_field;but there is not at present such a king. 1082799;1427921811;mircea_popescu;ascii_field if there was, you'd know it by this sign, that he'd glass new york anyway. 1082800;1427921820;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: long ago. 1082801;1427921834;mircea_popescu;somethinglike thjat. 1082802;1427921861;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the record : the us president does not have the rights it gives itself. 1082803;1427921905;chetty;well dont people generally have the rights they step up and take? 1082804;1427921912;ascii_field;he has the ability. 1082805;1427921919;ascii_field;which is to say, he can push a button and i starve 1082806;1427921927;mircea_popescu;no, rights are exactly not that, which is why the concept even exists. 1082807;1427921940;mircea_popescu;ascii_field he might have the ability. does not have the right. 1082808;1427921989;chetty;but who is going to tell him so? 1082809;1427921995;ascii_field;like every criminal, the officials of usg do precisely as much as they can comfortably get away with. 1082810;1427922021;mircea_popescu;i just told him so. 1082811;1427922031;mircea_popescu;ascii_field obviously. 1082812;1427922143;mircea_popescu;cue obama going for a condolezza rice impersonation. "nobody had any idea what we were doing was illegal." 1082813;1427922159;mircea_popescu;"i just graduated from stanford, i don;t know anything." 1082814;1427922183;ascii_field;word 'illegal' to them only applies to misbehaviour of the cattle 1082815;1427922186;ascii_field;not to farmer. 1082816;1427922196;mircea_popescu;interestingly enough, i take the same view. 1082817;1427922203;ascii_field;farmer by definition cannot commit cattlemisbehaviour 1082818;1427922232;chetty;no its worse, he commits farmer misbehavior 1082819;1427922233;mircea_popescu;i suppose war is inevitable when people agree in principle but not in fact. 1082820;1427922245;mircea_popescu;a cow won't fight another cow, nor a farmer another farmer, 1082821;1427922254;ascii_field;ultima ratio regum (TM) !! 1082822;1427922258;mircea_popescu;but when a cow thinks itself a farmer and thinks the farmer a cow... 1082823;1427922261;mircea_popescu;this has to come to blow 1082824;1427922267;mircea_popescu;s 1082825;1427922318;mircea_popescu;anyway, let's up the stakes a little here. 1082826;1427922485;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1082827;1427922607;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you might want to have some other fella, who isn't to hang soon, maintain serenissima-linux. 1082828;1427922647;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins` 1082829;1427922663;mircea_popescu;i like people who will hang soon. 1082830;1427922667;mircea_popescu;lived most of my life as one. 1082831;1427922694;ascii_field;mircea_popescu morituri te salutant ! 1082832;1427922709;ascii_field;(TM) 1082833;1427922751;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049444 1082834;1427922751;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.' 1082835;1427922767;trinque;when they declare working on a piece of open source a threat to national security, time to find a shore and start swimming 1082836;1427922795;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1B6PCT7.txt 1082837;1427922795;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCca8n ) 1082838;1427922802;ascii_field;trinque is posting from the sea ? 1082839;1427922831;mircea_popescu;trinque bitcoin is factually a threat to the usg "national security". it exists to end them. 1082840;1427922971;ascii_field;that 1btc will do us good in 'gitmo' 1082841;1427922981;ascii_field;will have to learn to ecdsa in head. 1082842;1427922987;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082481 << he has a point. failures are potentially more important than successes. 1082843;1427922987;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 19:07:26; ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: plz to report build failures! 1082844;1427923005;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well, eventually 1 btc will be ample fortune for one to live. 1082845;1427923032;trinque;so how about that gossipd 1082846;1427923032;ascii_field;in the martian colony, circa 4000 ad, yes. 1082847;1427923045;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i'm thinking more like 2030s. 1082848;1427923060;ascii_field;trinque: mine's not done. and i don't think the other fella's is, either. but ask him 1082849;1427923062;mircea_popescu;trinque artifexd been working on it. he occasionalyl comes up for air. 1082850;1427923086;trinque;I'm thinking deedbot wants something other than http and dns if it is to survive 1082851;1427923131;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1082852;1427923135;trinque;and you know, me 1082853;1427923137;trinque;:D 1082854;1427923149;mircea_popescu;hey, you ever dumped the history in there ? 1082855;1427923155;ascii_field;the weakest link is the people, not the machines. 1082856;1427923158;ascii_field;sadly 1082857;1427923159;trinque;I have it, but no I have not 1082858;1427923202;*;ascii_field listened (in car) to an infuriatingly zimmermanish interview with jon callas (former pgp, now 'silent circle' garbage) 1082859;1427923220;ascii_field;wanted to throw up 1082860;1427923236;mircea_popescu;old men are usually stupid. 1082861;1427923243;ascii_field;not that old. 1082862;1427923249;ascii_field;and not stupid. knows what he's doing 1082863;1427923258;ascii_field;but i could almost -smell- the mendacity 1082864;1427923259;mircea_popescu;"knows" 1082865;1427923264;mircea_popescu;what exactly does he know ? 1082866;1427923269;ascii_field;seriously synathesia here 1082867;1427923276;ascii_field;*synaesthesia 1082868;1427923293;*;trinque does a double take 1082869;1427923301;mircea_popescu;or to quote, "Goddamn right, that's right. Guys come on: "Oh, the blah blah blah, I know what I'll do: I'll go in and rob everyone blind and go to Argentina cause nobody ever thought of this before."" 1082870;1427923312;trinque;did the president just decree himself able to steal property over any vaguely defined "threat" whatsoever 1082871;1427923324;mircea_popescu;trinque yes. he now has more powers than putin. 1082872;1427923324;ascii_field;trinque: nah, lbj did that 1082873;1427923331;ascii_field;trinque: it's been renewed since 1082874;1427923335;ascii_field;by each succeeding one. 1082875;1427923341;trinque;ascii_field: yes but surely there was at least a veneer of protocol there? 1082876;1427923349;trinque;not yeah, I walk down two halls or whatever 1082877;1427923354;ascii_field;arguably fdr was the first 1082878;1427923354;mircea_popescu;im kinda curious how is jurov going to rationalise away the fact that on the balance of things, the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug. 1082879;1427923355;trinque;and "hey guys, go assfuck X" 1082880;1427923362;ascii_field;what 'protocol' did he follow for the jp internment thing ? 1082881;1427923374;ascii_field;his word - like that of the other great tyrants of his time - was enough. 1082882;1427923392;trinque;yes you're right 1082883;1427923416;trinque;notably though, all pretense of some exempt caste aside from the ruling class is now gone 1082884;1427923418;mircea_popescu;ascii_field oh meanwhile i recall who callas is. the reason i don't like openpgp! 1082885;1427923441;ascii_field;just hearing him talk... was like suffering a case of food poisoning 1082886;1427923540;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082532 << as is singular and atis is pluran 2nd person 1082887;1427923540;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 19:25:48; ben_vulpes: what's the difference between acuitas and acuitatis? 1082888;1427923552;mircea_popescu;o as at amus atis ant 1082889;1427923562;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug << ru thug did not come to texas, arm the republic of texas separatists so they can shell dallas, and raise international stink of 'consensus' when the locals defend it 1082890;1427923579;trinque;yesterday I spent a fair amount of time thinking about how the US was already the totalitarian govt of much of the world long before I was born 1082891;1427923588;trinque;and that in developing this capacity it was inevitable that they'd bring it home 1082892;1427923594;trinque;the "regime change" machine 1082893;1427923614;ascii_field;trinque: see pertinent orlol, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html 1082894;1427923615;assbot;ClubOrlov: License to Kill ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCdGqT ) 1082895;1427923617;mircea_popescu;like ambulas = one walks ambulatis = two walk. 1082896;1427923752;nubbins`;FWIW fresh 0.5.3.1-RELEASE on gentoo, building openssl by itself: Makefile:640: recipe for target 'install_docs' failed 1082897;1427923764;ascii_field;nubbins`: iirc that never worked 1082898;1427923772;ascii_field;nubbins`: tex bug 1082899;1427923815;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred' << their favourite thing is not only to steal lands, houses (who even has these any more) but to freeze bank account and then have fun staying out of the street and the morgue, much less paying attorney 1082900;1427923828;nubbins`;o 1082901;1427923863;mircea_popescu;ascii_field im not saying it's a complete solution. i am saying it is a lot more than nothing. 1082902;1427923876;ascii_field;not saying it means nothing. 1082903;1427923936;ascii_field;just that mr o can push a button, and send me to beg for spare change and 'big mac' on highway. 1082904;1427923942;mircea_popescu;anyway, alligns incentrives correctly. "have you or anyone you know or care about been stolen from by the usg ? come join the people working to take away its shit" 1082905;1427923954;mircea_popescu;if you derp much longer in there, yes. 1082906;1427923957;mircea_popescu;but this is not news. 1082907;1427924021;ascii_field;this also applies to the other schmucks 1082908;1427924025;ascii_field;in usaschwitz 1082909;1427924030;mircea_popescu;certainly. 1082910;1427924045;mircea_popescu;heck, BingoBoingo has some stories about how it applied to him already, give or take. 1082911;1427924059;mircea_popescu;in other news, "It seems obvious to me that global warming is caused by carbon dioxide, and the main source of carbon dioxide is lawnmowers. I have noticed over the years that it gets really cold during the winter, and during that time I rarely hear lawn mowers. But, as soon as I start hearing the occasional lawnmower in the neighborhood, it starts getting warmer. By midsummer when I hear lawnmowers every day, it is al 1082912;1427924059;mircea_popescu;most always hot weather. And, as lawnmower use starts to taper in the fall, it starts getting cooler again." 1082913;1427924066;mircea_popescu;just as good as any "earth science" out there. 1082914;1427924084;mircea_popescu;" Lawnmowers have a nearly immediate effect on the local climate, too. In my area, lawnmowers are rarely used at night, and even 8-hours of lawnmower inactivity can cool the neighborhood by 20-degrees Fahrenheit. The tight correlation between lawnmower use and temperature is so closely related, that the scientific debate on the subject should be closed." 1082915;1427924108;mircea_popescu;"To those that suggest that the Sun has something to do with the weather, I say that is just a superstition. The Sun is far too far away to have any effect on the neighborhood. And besides, the Sun comes up in the winter, but it does not stay warm. But, as soon as people stop using lawnmowers, it gets cold. So, it seems obvious and irrefutable that carbon dioxide causes global warming, and lawnmowers are the main sourc 1082916;1427924108;mircea_popescu;e of carbon dioxide." 1082917;1427924116;ascii_field;^ gold. 1082918;1427924262;ascii_field;re: earlier thread: i will point out that folks who got on the plane and left usa borders but still earn a living from something on which usg might exert pressure, directly or indirectly, are still inmates of usaschwitz. 1082919;1427924310;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1082920;1427924313;ascii_field;this also includes folks who have nothing to do with usa but live in a nato muppet state 1082921;1427924320;ascii_field;e.g., nubbins` in ca 1082922;1427924510;ascii_field;!up nubbins` 1082923;1427924514;ascii_field;l0l 1082924;1427924534;asciilifeform;!up nubbins` 1082925;1427924571;ascii_field;so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy' 1082926;1427924601;nubbins`;underground economy bru 1082927;1427924615;thestringpuller;for all those drug dealing just to get by 1082928;1427924616;nubbins`;all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0 1082929;1427924620;thestringpuller;stack your money until it get sky high 1082930;1427924641;thestringpuller;ascii_field: this is why we have organized crime. 1082931;1427924649;ascii_field;nubbins`: when the canadian affiliate of usg decides that nubbins` is a t3rr0r1st!!!1111!!1 and supplying mains current to his home is an atrocity which must end, 'underground economy' will do so in its place ? 1082932;1427924671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320800 @ 0.0002554 = 81.9323 BTC [+] {6} 1082933;1427924675;thestringpuller;buy a new identity? 1082934;1427924681;thestringpuller;beome nubbins` #2 1082935;1427924691;nubbins`;;;rated othernubs 1082936;1427924691;gribble;You have not yet rated user othernubs 1082937;1427924694;nubbins`;wat! 1082938;1427924701;nubbins`;;;rated othernubs` 1082939;1427924702;gribble;You rated user othernubs` on Mon Oct 20 13:34:32 2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: not a bad guy. 1082940;1427924714;thestringpuller;^- see ascii_field easy peasy 1082941;1427924794;trinque;rational folks may be comtemplating the implications of the decree they just read 1082942;1427924799;trinque;dunno that I'm rational, but I'm contemplating it 1082943;1427924947;ascii_field;trinque: the implications are unsurprising. merely a friendly reminder from usg that anyone in range is fair game to it to rape with a telephone pole, and that - unless you're mircea_popescu, putin, or one of a hundred other folks who can say 'no' and make it stick, all you can do is to wait your turn. 1082944;1427925380;ascii_field;for those who still don't get it - it costs more to -actually- remove someone from usg planet, than it does to lift them into orbit. 1082945;1427925387;ascii_field;cost in terms of actual, vs. paper, wealth. 1082946;1427925414;ascii_field;and yes mircea_popescu wrote about pulling pretty gurlz into orbit. this is easier, gurlz weigh less. 1082947;1427925434;ascii_field;and they make good petz 1082948;1427925696;funkenstein_;i still don't get it 1082949;1427925709;ascii_field;funkenstein_: you will. 1082950;1427925734;funkenstein_;i hope so 1082951;1427925758;funkenstein_;cause sometimes it sounds like you guys believe there is a real usg 1082952;1427925758;ascii_field;i mean, the whole lot of us schmucks who are stuck here 1082953;1427925760;ascii_field;will 'get it' 1082954;1427925783;funkenstein_;we're all stuck here 1082955;1427925790;ascii_field;funkenstein_: other than mircea_popescu 1082956;1427925796;trinque;due to what, my half-working rubber stamp apparatus? 1082957;1427925796;funkenstein_;ok :) 1082958;1427925808;ascii_field;trinque: it works great when it's your time. 1082959;1427925815;trinque;lol 1082960;1427925825;ascii_field;go tell herr ulbricht that it doesn't. 1082961;1427925964;ascii_field;and srsly, this is just the -famous- people 1082962;1427925975;ascii_field;the schmucks get the joe stack treatment 1082963;1427925977;funkenstein_;that bit about the father getting jumped by 45 guys with usg hats totally ruined my april 1 thanks a lot guys 1082964;1427925988;ascii_field;and we only know of stack because he had a creative way to blow his stack, so to speak. 1082965;1427926033;ascii_field;the list of the folks dekulakized, libelled, injured, killed by usg thugs - is bookcase-length. 1082966;1427926038;ascii_field;if it were ever put on paper 1082967;1427926043;funkenstein_;thanks for sharing anyways, warnings are good 1082968;1427926144;funkenstein_;!up ascii_field 1082969;1427926206;ascii_field;and on top of this all, bitcoind release doesn't staticbuild. 1082970;1427926218;ascii_field;(see earlier, substantive thread, before the obamitler thing) 1082971;1427926220;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> nubbins`: when the canadian affiliate of usg decides that nubbins` is a t3rr0r1st!!!1111!!1 and supplying mains current to his home is an atrocity which must end, 'underground economy' will do so in its place ? <<< understand that "underground economy" means you have neither a mortgage nor a lease in your own name 1082972;1427926247;ascii_field;nubbins`: and what, no one does ? 1082973;1427926262;trinque;nubbins` operates from a crypto-knapsack 1082974;1427926262;ascii_field;who to mooch off ? 1082975;1427926272;trinque;nubbins`: want to host deedbot- from that thing? 1082976;1427926281;nubbins`;? i can name a hundred people, right now, who live in this fashion 1082977;1427926325;ascii_field;nubbins`: i can name, if i want, a hundred people who live in dumpsters. 1082978;1427926351;nubbins`;o.O 1082979;1427926374;nubbins`;you do not know a hundred people who live in dumpsters. 1082980;1427926386;ascii_field;understand, subjects of usg always have the choice of moving into a private, independent ambulatory jail 1082981;1427926394;ascii_field;saves usg cost, yes. it is encouraged. 1082982;1427926401;asciilifeform;!up nubbins` 1082983;1427926432;ascii_field;nubbins`: understand, i do not know them personally. though i used to keep the company of some people who -ate- from dumpsters 1082984;1427926440;nubbins`;right. 1082985;1427926489;nubbins`;anyway, whether or not one can survive comfortably off the radar is more a function of the route their life has taken thus far. it's not in the cards for everyone. 1082986;1427926534;ascii_field;to follow this logic to the end, it is much better to be a rat than a man 1082987;1427926549;ascii_field;because rat is as pleased with dumpster as a man would be with sultan of brunei's palaces 1082988;1427926551;nubbins`;only if you're happy with living as a rat. 1082989;1427926581;ascii_field;rat does not need elektron microscope or 6-axis milling machine, yes 1082990;1427926584;ascii_field;so he is quite happy. 1082991;1427926598;nubbins`;and that's where your path has taken you 1082992;1427926609;funkenstein_;nor does he have to drone on endlessly on the tragedies of the human condition 1082993;1427926623;ascii_field;funkenstein_: to be fair, rat might whine if he could speak 1082994;1427926630;ascii_field;we just don't know precisely about what. 1082995;1427926638;nubbins`;understand that your desire to own a 6-axis milling machine directly conflicts with your ability to live happily off-radar 1082996;1427926663;danielpbarron;the rat has no soul to be saved for the kingdom of God 1082997;1427926664;ascii_field;nubbins`: and i don't even own one.. 1082998;1427926682;funkenstein_;danielpbarron, i disagree 1082999;1427926687;nubbins`;you don't need to own a thing for its desire to shape your set of acceptable environments 1083000;1427926694;ascii_field;nubbins`: but even something like living in a dwelling without the company of strangers is a titanically expensive luxury in most of the world 1083001;1427926720;nubbins`;that's why the off-radars live with strangers (or, more frequently, friends) 1083002;1427926751;ascii_field;nubbins`: and if you can't think when surrounded by loud, noxious strangers and their excreta ? 1083003;1427926761;ascii_field;then 'quit thinking, your life led you to no good' ? 1083004;1427926771;nubbins`;nope. then work as a contractor for the man. 1083005;1427926811;trinque;so... why not drop off the face of bitcoin entirely until escape velocity 1083006;1427926825;ascii_field;trinque: escape from what? usg's largesse? aha right. 1083007;1427926827;funkenstein_;this has probably crossed our minds trinque 1083008;1427926857;ascii_field;as if any of us has a snowball's chance in hell of escape. 1083009;1427926869;ascii_field;the choice is between 'die' and 'die like a man' 1083010;1427926880;funkenstein_;ascii_field we have already escaped. 1083011;1427926898;ascii_field;funkenstein_ lives on atomic battleship in north atlantic ? 1083012;1427926901;ascii_field;how many rockets ? 1083013;1427926919;ascii_field;have you tested any, to see if still work ? 1083014;1427926927;funkenstein_;why would i need rockets? 1083015;1427926980;ascii_field;because when hitler says 'funkenstein_ does not get to eat any more, anyone found feeding him will be fed to lampreys' what will funkenstein_ reply ? 1083016;1427927020;funkenstein_;hardly needs a reply does it 1083017;1427927038;ascii_field;there is precisely -one- language in which there could be a reply. 1083018;1427927053;ascii_field;a reply that is meaningfully understood and acted on, at any rate. 1083019;1427927104;funkenstein_;i don't think that language is rocket 1083020;1427927109;trinque;nor I. 1083021;1427927152;ascii_field;going purely based on historical example here. 1083022;1427927155;funkenstein_;i speak horticulture 1083023;1427927170;ascii_field;don't take my word for it. try speaking other languages to it, see how far you get. 1083024;1427927193;trinque;my only goal is to get out of the way of a giant that's already mortally injured 1083025;1427927202;ascii_field;i don't see this 'injured.' 1083026;1427927212;funkenstein_;i don't see this giant 1083027;1427927218;trinque;^ that's the injury 1083028;1427927245;ascii_field;funkenstein_: when they drag you away, feel free to imagine that the 'giant' is a gaggle of midgets. much difference it will make in 'gitmo.' 1083029;1427927257;trinque;"drag away" for what 1083030;1427927278;funkenstein_;a gaggle of midgets can be dangerous as fuck i give you that 1083031;1427927321;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082878 wait what, how do we measure the thuggery here? 1083032;1427927321;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 21:22:34; mircea_popescu: im kinda curious how is jurov going to rationalise away the fact that on the balance of things, the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug. 1083033;1427927334;nubbins`;qualitatively 1083034;1427927339;nubbins`;8) 1083035;1427927377;jurov;that is? 1083036;1427927379;ascii_field;jurov: think, if you prefer, of two robbers - one who wants to steal his neighbor's house, in which he used to live but got foreclosed on; and one who steals entire planet. 1083037;1427927388;ascii_field;jurov: you have ru and usg respectively. 1083038;1427927398;funkenstein_;ascii_field, if a bunch of assholes wearing usg hats take me down, i will know it was a bunch of assholes wearing usg hats took me down, not a giant 1083039;1427927456;ascii_field;funkenstein_: all state is made of midget 1083040;1427927464;ascii_field;there were never giants in that other sense. 1083041;1427927464;jurov;dear ascii_field, he will get his house, but will end up yet poorer 1083042;1427927476;jurov;what do you think happen next? 1083043;1427927483;funkenstein_;agreed. petty tyrants. 1083044;1427927497;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/IwKduEB.gifv 1083045;1427927498;assbot;MRW I get tricked into seeing something I really wish I hadn't ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiPo3h ) 1083046;1427927499;ascii_field;jurov: dueling mega-states leave the schmucks poorer, who could be surprised 1083047;1427927526;trinque;nubbins`: blehhhh 1083048;1427927529;nubbins`;heh 1083049;1427927539;trinque;nubbins`: your mascot? 1083050;1427927544;nubbins`;MRW convo turns to usd-goliath 1083051;1427927688;jurov;it boils down to who'd you rather befriend: the narcist, or the paranoid 1083052;1427927712;jurov;i'd prefer some third way, but serenissima is not world power yet 1083053;1427927735;jurov;so then i'd begrundgingly go with the narcist 1083054;1427927735;ascii_field;jurov: it can't even power a linux distro yet. 1083055;1427927742;trinque;meanwhile I'm not about to run out in front of the white house with my dick out and a target painted on my chest 1083056;1427927796;ascii_field;jurov: the paranoid wants to live in quiet in his bunker, with buffer zone made of idiots who sided with his molesters around, for safety. the narcissist wants to cut up everything good and bright that ever was to cut into designer purse for self. 1083057;1427927797;nubbins`;a-ha 1083058;1427927808;ascii_field;*of dead idiots 1083059;1427927831;jurov;if they mistook finnish and central eu folk for such idiots 1083060;1427927837;ascii_field;mistook?! 1083061;1427927838;jurov;then they deserve what they got 1083062;1427927844;trinque;man, I just wanna end up unknown somewhere with a greenhouse 1083063;1427927847;trinque;that'd be fine 1083064;1427927875;trinque;let the thing wear itself out 1083065;1427927905;nubbins`;hm when building make, first bjam command produces: ...failed updating 1 target... 1083066;1427927909;ascii_field;jurov: small non-atomicsovereign kingdoms don't get to have foreign policy, only to switch rapists 1083067;1427927914;*;nubbins` wonders the easy way to discover said target 1083068;1427927920;ascii_field;quite analogous to individual schmucks as discussed earlier in thread. 1083069;1427927937;nubbins`;in the midst of the thousands upon thousands of warnings 1083070;1427927972;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1083071;1427927976;jurov;!up ascii_field 1083072;1427928010;ascii_field;i can readily believe that jurov personally prefers to live in a us colony than ru colony - and do not take issue with this, it is very much a private matter 1083073;1427928015;ben_vulpes; (which result from my gcc NOT going behind my back and inserting stdint exactly where wanted, the way everyone else's apparently does) << i don't even know how to check which tools are lying to me 1083074;1427928032;ben_vulpes;readelf was new to me as of 2 months ago 1083075;1427928045;jurov;ascii_field: even you don't want to live in russia 1083076;1427928063;jurov;so that's why i wonder what you endlessly argue for 1083077;1427928072;ascii_field;jurov: not exactly 1083078;1427928079;trinque;impalement it sounds like 1083079;1427928081;trinque;lol 1083080;1427928082;ascii_field;jurov: i argue that anything that meaningfully opposes usg is to be applauded 1083081;1427928119;ascii_field;that means no muppets (e.g. arabian nationalists funded by u.s. dept of state) or symbionts (cn) or parasites (north kr) 1083082;1427928145;funkenstein_;well that would mean you applaud most all citizens of usa 1083083;1427928150;ascii_field;ru is not 'the future', just the best-looking horse in the usg glue factory, in this regard. 1083084;1427928160;ascii_field;the one still kicking a little. 1083085;1427928174;ascii_field;occasionally knocks some teeth from the demented butcher's mouth. 1083086;1427928209;funkenstein_;this is why north america loves putin 1083087;1427928216;asciilifeform;!up nubbins` 1083088;1427928236;ben_vulpes; we could readily employ thousands. << you and what budget?! 1083089;1427928242;ascii_field;^^^^^^ 1083090;1427928267;ascii_field;perhaps he meant the old meaning of word 'employ' 1083091;1427928277;ben_vulpes;put to work. 1083092;1427928280;ben_vulpes;burn the biodiesel. 1083093;1427928281;ascii_field;as in 'find a use for, assuming they can eat tree bark and build own computer from mud' 1083094;1427928282;danielpbarron;qntra shares for a start 1083095;1427928323;ascii_field;danielpbarron pays his rent in qntra shares ? 1083096;1427928370;danielpbarron;it's an example of where the budget comes from -- anywhere in the world 1083097;1427928382;ascii_field;what budget. 1083098;1427928412;danielpbarron;the one that redily employs thousands 1083099;1427928451;ascii_field;what there -is-, is an infinite budget of -hate- for the buggers. 1083100;1427928454;ascii_field;it's what keeps me going 1083101;1427928466;ascii_field;i don't expect atomic dirigible to pick me up from the hell 1083102;1427928504;danielpbarron;anyone in the world who can get their hands on bitcoin can help fund that hate 1083103;1427928518;ascii_field;but every time i have a small success in the things i work on, i picture some 'full spectrum dominance' type who will have to sell his daughters six minutes sooner 1083104;1427928521;ascii_field;because of what i did 1083105;1427928528;ascii_field;and it keeps me going. 1083106;1427928543;ascii_field;danielpbarron: the bitcoin doesn't buy additional hate. usg does that. 1083107;1427928545;ascii_field;for free. 1083108;1427928551;ben_vulpes; mircea_popescu: i would not waste the gentlemens' time if i did not think this were interesting. << rather. 1083109;1427928576;*;nubbins` can also not get 0.5.3.1-RELEASE compiled on gentoo, but for completely different reason 1083110;1427928584;ascii_field;nubbins`: oh ? 1083111;1427928589;ascii_field;please post the barf 1083112;1427928593;nubbins`;headers.h:21:27: fatal error: openssl/ecdsa.h: No such file or directory 1083113;1427928599;nubbins`;i'll pastebin more relevant vomit 1083114;1427928601;danielpbarron;i have had that error 1083115;1427928611;jurov;i can see annoyed and bored late roman citizen "go germans go" .. just not my cup of tea 1083116;1427928615;danielpbarron;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070480 1083117;1427928615;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 14:04:55; danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 having some troubles here http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt 1083118;1427928628;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VAQXDh59 1083119;1427928629;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiSB2O ) 1083120;1427928637;nubbins`;i did get 1 failed target on openssl build 1083121;1427928648;danielpbarron;me too 1083122;1427928653;ascii_field;jurov: fair. i'm not sitting and 'go, zetas, go' either. 1083123;1427928667;danielpbarron;well that's a relief; i had thought my gentoo install was borked 1083124;1427928674;nubbins`;oh, and actually, yeah bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/openssl does not exist 1083125;1427928680;ascii_field;jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit 1083126;1427928681;nubbins`;none of the headers are there 1083127;1427928689;nubbins`;guess that was an important target :p 1083128;1427928758;nubbins`;wait, no, boost failed 1 target. 1083129;1427928766;*;nubbins` scratches head 1083130;1427928774;funkenstein_; "blocks" : 315048, "connections" : 10 1083131;1427928781;ascii_field;the whole fucking ecosystem is rotten to the bone. 1083132;1427928809;ascii_field;(see earlier thread) 1083133;1427928876;danielpbarron;i find that fact to be comforting as it is generally consistent with the reality described in the Bible 1083134;1427928882;ascii_field;i'ma go sit in traffic for a couplea hours now. perhaps one of you independently wealthy folks can fix it meanwhile. 1083135;1427929003;ben_vulpes; lived most of my life as one. << my turn to live under the gallows shadow 1083136;1427929046;*;nubbins` yawns 1083137;1427929059;nubbins`;fuck am i ever glad shit like this is just a hobby now 1083138;1427929069;funkenstein_;!rate ascii_field 1 on our side 1083139;1427929069;assbot;ascii_field is not registered in WoT. 1083140;1427929080;trinque;funkenstein_: what's "our side" 1083141;1427929087;nubbins`;funkenstein_ try asciilifeform 1083142;1427929092;trinque;this is what's problematic to me here; I am on no one's side... 1083143;1427929107;trinque;well this and other things 1083144;1427929107;funkenstein_;guess it was the royal we ;) 1083145;1427929115;nubbins`;!b 3 1083146;1427929118;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/06J3Z6T.txt ) 1083147;1427929129;nubbins`;close 1083148;1427929144;nubbins`;trinque everywhere's got problems, they're just, uh... /different/ here 1083149;1427929175;ben_vulpes;funkenstein_ fancies hisself a laird nao? 1083150;1427929192;nubbins`;,e, 1083151;1427929196;nubbins`;whoa 1083152;1427929202;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: relax - it's just an april fool's joke :P 1083153;1427929230;funkenstein_;begging your pardon sirs 1083154;1427929259;funkenstein_;just meant to say i liked the chap's spirit 1083155;1427929290;nubbins`;danielpbarron around? 1083156;1427929294;danielpbarron;ya 1083157;1427929316;nubbins`;found missing openssl headers, they're just in the wrong spot. 1083158;1427929341;nubbins`;add ~/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/include to your path 1083159;1427929351;ben_vulpes;funkenstein_: that's the spirit 1083160;1427929351;nubbins`;or figure out why auto.sh puts the shit in the wrong dir 1083161;1427929458;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/obama-orders-war-on-computing-and-bitcoin-with-new-emergency-order-full-text/ 1083162;1427929470;danielpbarron;nubbins`, where would that go? 1083163;1427929501;nubbins`;$ export PATH=$PATH:/home/dpb/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/include 1083164;1427929506;nubbins`;$ echo $PATH 1083165;1427929564;nubbins`;if it looks kosher, then try ./auto.sh again 1083166;1427929627;nubbins`;oh hm 1083167;1427929744;nubbins`;wtf! 1083168;1427929747;funkenstein_;holy shit 1083169;1427929855;nubbins`;danielpbarron that actually doesn't work. 1083170;1427929873;funkenstein_;BingoBoingo tell me it's april fools please 1083171;1427929961;funkenstein_;persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States <--- ??? 1083172;1427930145;BingoBoingo; jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit << Then the peace vampires came out, like USG Informant Al Sharpton. 1083173;1427930188;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Did you read the order? It is linked and on the white house website as well as attached in full text at the botton of the post 1083174;1427930213;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ^ qntra on the topic is up 1083175;1427930457;BingoBoingo;!up NewLiberty 1083176;1427930707;hanbot;;;later_tell BingoBoingo very nicely done. coupla edits: United State's Government's / States' ; Republic of the United State's of America / States 1083177;1427930708;gribble;Error: "later_tell" is not a valid command. 1083178;1427930727;hanbot;orly? 1083179;1427930787;hanbot;;;later tell BingoBoingo very nicely done. coupla edits: United State's Government's / States' ; Republic of the United State's of America / States 1083180;1427930788;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1083181;1427930790;hanbot;derp. 1083182;1427930891;nubbins`;danielpbarron mkdir ourlibs/include/openssl; cp openssl-1.0.1g/include/openssl/* ourlibs/include/openssl/ 1083183;1427930955;nubbins`;aha! 1083184;1427930958;nubbins`;this brings me to: 1083185;1427930965;nubbins`;util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type 1083186;1427930968;nubbins`;^ asciilifeform 1083187;1427930988;nubbins`;^ mod6 ben_vulpes 1083188;1427931005;nubbins`;alf, take small solace in the fact that it's not just you? 1083189;1427931064;*;nubbins` invites anyone currently watching to google the above error, with quotes 1083190;1427931182;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Should be fixed 1083191;1427931189;nubbins`;only results are from log 1083192;1427931260;nubbins`;asciilifeform i'm done w/ this for the evening, but my next step will be to try again with gcc 4.4.5, which mod6 says was current (in debian) when 0.5.3 came out 1083193;1427931274;nubbins`;it's entirely possible that gcc broke this 1083194;1427931277;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Faced with technology that forces it to reveal its teeth and claws, along with the reaping of the fruit the United States Government planted in its subversion of the computing stack at every level, the fangs are being bared and the claws unsheathed." 1083195;1427931281;mircea_popescu;dude srsly... too meta. 1083196;1427931373;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082925 << that's prolly going too far. the usg can prolly "exert pressure" on the price of soy, nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself. 1083197;1427931373;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 21:42:51; ascii_field: so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy' 1083198;1427931398;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082928 << no, they're stupid. 1083199;1427931398;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 21:43:36; nubbins`: all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0 1083200;1427931407;mircea_popescu;just, vagrant stupid rather than delusional stupid. 1083201;1427931422;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Toned down the meta a bit. 1083202;1427931447;mircea_popescu;yeah. simile and such are very iffy in newsprint. 1083203;1427931751;*;BingoBoingo pours a drink because cutting the liquor budget substantially for the short to medium term future. 1083204;1427932022;nubbins`;bbl meatspace headspace 1083205;1427932315;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082974 << this is where the entire "smart" turns to stupid. the only thing them smart hipsters can do is be my slavegirls. 1083206;1427932315;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 22:11:02; ascii_field: who to mooch off ? 1083207;1427932385;hanbot;mircea_popescu how's a hipster blowjob go? 1083208;1427932389;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself << grow me a 0805 resistor. 1083209;1427932400;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082985 << no. it is strictly a function of whether they are posing a threat to the leviathan or not. strictly that. no "routes". you can only matter if you can actually blow a hole in them, and you can only blow a hole in them if you don't depend on someone's permission for your activity. 1083210;1427932400;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 22:14:49; nubbins`: anyway, whether or not one can survive comfortably off the radar is more a function of the route their life has taken thus far. it's not in the cards for everyone. 1083211;1427932407;asciilifeform;or so much as a gram of soy, that the chinese can't grow cheaper, with which to buy one. 1083212;1427932413;mircea_popescu;in this sense, someone who has to mooch wifi and someone who "owns" a mortgage are identical. 1083213;1427932444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not my fault boys are worthless irl, when irl is designed by usg. 1083214;1427932448;mircea_popescu;this is deliberate and intentional. 1083215;1427932457;asciilifeform;^ this is why i don't get nubbbins` presenting bohemians as mega-example to learn from 1083216;1427932468;mircea_popescu;he's just going with his past groupthink. 1083217;1427932555;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082995 << no. living off radar is not a matter of vanishing yourself. it is a matter of forcing the op to turn the radar off. 1083218;1427932555;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 22:17:18; nubbins`: understand that your desire to own a 6-axis milling machine directly conflicts with your ability to live happily off-radar 1083219;1427932564;asciilifeform;^^^ 1083220;1427932573;mircea_popescu;his desire to own a cnc mill is a result of his desire to own a nuke, which is a result of his desire to go "either you stick to this rule or i kill you" 1083221;1427932576;mircea_popescu;which is necessary. 1083222;1427932597;mircea_popescu;anything conflicting with this chain is about as interesting as "a bitcoin" that doesn't mine off the main chain. 1083223;1427932602;mircea_popescu;glhf. 1083224;1427932612;asciilifeform;dustcoin? 1083225;1427932641;mircea_popescu;hanbot i have nfi lol 1083226;1427932750;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082999 << and it's not a matter of desire, we're not discussing aesthetics here, as if we were living in a post-functional world where even bothering to think about "where does the tap water come from" is a waste of time. 1083227;1427932750;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 22:18:07; nubbins`: you don't need to own a thing for its desire to shape your set of acceptable environments 1083228;1427932761;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... be my slavegirls << in that case, 1083229;1427932792;*;asciilifeform recommeds that mircea_popescu start collecting slavegirls who are handy with systems programming. though the trouble may be that ones of the correct vintage (no later than early '80s) are probably beginning to spoil... 1083230;1427932802;mircea_popescu;it is a matter of need : in order to ensure your space you must control whole chains. there's no escaping this, and so someone will have to. nobody particularly has a desire to run a cnc mill or an ic fab, but if one wants working software, one has to. and so it flows. 1083231;1427932814;asciilifeform;^ 1083232;1427932829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a naked woman can be taught anything if you're willing to break an uncountable set of sticks. 1083233;1427932844;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: teach'em, why not 1083234;1427932858;mircea_popescu;the part that's worth teaching is easy to teach, and unrelated to intelligence. 1083235;1427932866;mircea_popescu;the part you won't teach them shouldn't be taught anyway. 1083236;1427932868;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wake me up when they get kernel 1083237;1427932876;mircea_popescu;"how to make this counterintuitive sht work ? " "don't." 1083238;1427932900;asciilifeform;wake me up when they build a fab. 1083239;1427932907;mircea_popescu;y u wanna sleep so much. 1083240;1427932908;asciilifeform;even a 'fairchild' circa '70s fab. 1083241;1427932916;asciilifeform;practicing for cemetary. 1083242;1427932931;asciilifeform;i hear sleep is the main order of business there. 1083243;1427932938;mircea_popescu;lol 1083244;1427932948;mircea_popescu;i never hear of anyone flunk the cemetery. 1083245;1427932953;mircea_popescu;scarcely any need to practice then. 1083246;1427932954;mod6;so re: all the uint32_t, sorry that you're all having problems with this. I guess I missed a lot of stuff. 1083247;1427932968;asciilifeform;mod6: read the log. i fixed it, only to reveal a mega-bug 1083248;1427932969;mircea_popescu;mod6 do you have any idea why your thing compiled it ? 1083249;1427932975;asciilifeform;where none of the 'static' stuff actually worked ever. 1083250;1427932986;mircea_popescu;yeah, read whole log, 1083251;1427933004;asciilifeform;will post patch for 'fix' in a spell. gotta change clothes first. 1083252;1427933028;asciilifeform;problem, currently, is that no one but me seems to be able to replicate this! 1083253;1427933039;asciilifeform;maybe hanbot can try? gentoo box? 1083254;1427933049;mod6;mircea_popescu: nope. none. my deb6 environments (yes more than one) all compiled it fine with gcc 4.4.5. i didn't have problems on gentoo either fwiw. but not sure what the gentoo AMI had for a compiler. my guess is that I was fooled by gcc. 1083255;1427933074;mircea_popescu;mod6 the question is : why has your compiler not complained about an undefined symbol 1083256;1427933078;mircea_popescu;given tyhe symbol is in fact undefined. 1083257;1427933089;mod6;no good answers there. 1083258;1427933096;mircea_popescu;its mother is, "what else is your compiler putting in you don't know about" 1083259;1427933110;asciilifeform;^^^ 1083260;1427933113;mircea_popescu;and their joint horrible twin sister being, "hey, turns out so called static builds aren't even static" 1083261;1427933117;asciilifeform;^^^^ 1083262;1427933123;mircea_popescu;by now we have a family of these monsters, which is very worrisome,. 1083263;1427933123;mod6;i think, maybe im not the right guy for this. or at minimum, I need someone who can look over my shoulder on this. there's no way we should have these issues 5 months into a project. 1083264;1427933124;*;asciilifeform lays off the poor ^ key 1083265;1427933138;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu has it. 1083266;1427933141;asciilifeform;in spades. 1083267;1427933142;mircea_popescu;mod6 no, actually, there's no way to have these issues INTO GCC!!! 1083268;1427933153;asciilifeform;i take it mircea_popescu is a gcc-bug-virgin 1083269;1427933160;mircea_popescu;which is a 20 year old project, and which i had been using as a reason to justify why im not taking a piss in rms' hairdo 1083270;1427933162;asciilifeform;or - was 1083271;1427933169;mod6;mp: im not sure I follow 1083272;1427933172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's bugs and there's bugs. 1083273;1427933177;mircea_popescu;mod6 from which point ? 1083274;1427933177;mod6;I don't know why it worked for me. 1083275;1427933191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rms is long in the tooth, old, and endlessly hammered by clean-shaven fools who don't eat 'toe jam' and spit in his face 1083276;1427933193;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 no, actually, there's no way to have these issues INTO GCC!!! << here. what? 1083277;1427933209;mircea_popescu;mod6 what i'm saying is, this stuff would not reasonably be expected by you, nor is it a function of the project. 1083278;1427933211;asciilifeform;for all we know, 'toe jam' is a micronutrient 1083279;1427933217;mod6;i guess it was doing something strange on my end, or maybe debian 6 has something strange it does? 1083280;1427933219;mircea_popescu;it looks more like very major issues with gcc itself. 1083281;1427933221;asciilifeform;one without which a decent compiler is quite impossible. 1083282;1427933255;*;mod6 reads scroll back 1083283;1427933257;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the issues cut deeper than gcc. we are dealing with what ilkka kokkarinen called 'unprincipled exception', where something is allowed to stay broken because fixing it would break 10,000 other things. 1083284;1427933263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why i'd kinda like to get to the bottom of this. 1083285;1427933289;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unprincipled exceptions are fine IF DOCUMENTED 1083286;1427933301;mircea_popescu;the undocumented unprincipled exception is something entirely different. 1083287;1427933306;asciilifeform;it is also possible that i am somehow mistaken about all of this 1083288;1427933312;mircea_popescu;sure. 1083289;1427933350;mircea_popescu;the only way to find out is to hammer the things that worked until we know why the fuck they worked. 1083290;1427933366;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, ever published the recipe to obtain that "statically linked is not statically linked" error ? 1083291;1427933374;asciilifeform;but regardless, i have at least two dozen proggies on this here box that -have- to be built with gcc x.y.z or else 1083292;1427933387;asciilifeform;it is nothing new to the veteran turd-shoveler. 1083293;1427933417;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the recipe consists of attempting to build it on either of my boxes after patched to fix the integer thing 1083294;1427933420;mircea_popescu;people derping about how "bitcoin will fail because tis or that" are such fucking idiots, incidentally. COMPUTING NEVER WORKED. 1083295;1427933424;mircea_popescu;if that were the criteria... 1083296;1427933443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the peculiarities of said boxes ? 1083297;1427933446;*;asciilifeform cranks out patch 1083298;1427933446;mircea_popescu;how would someone reproduce it ? 1083299;1427933453;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: posted earlier in thread 1083300;1427933457;mircea_popescu;aok 1083301;1427933458;asciilifeform;about to post more detail 1083302;1427933461;mircea_popescu;k 1083303;1427933509;mod6;<+ascii_field> has any of you lot checked to see that the executable resulting from this build ACTUALL contains the openssl built by auto.sh ? << i never did, this could be a problem too 1083304;1427933520;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1083026 << is this something along the lines of "nothing bad can happen to me im a nice person minding my own biznis" ? 1083305;1427933520;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 22:26:52; funkenstein_: i don't see this giant 1083306;1427933544;mircea_popescu;mod6 i thought you tested it in vms ? 1083307;1427933548;mircea_popescu;those'd only have one conceivably. 1083308;1427933576;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> the idea is, for someone wanting to copy your environment, to be able to do so with minimal work << i think going forward this is the only thing we'll support/build from/work on, something that we agree is "good" 1083309;1427933612;mircea_popescu;yeah but how deep does it go 1083310;1427933658;NewLiberty;April fools, or no? http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/ 1083311;1427933659;assbot;Yanis Varoufakis: "Greece to Adopt the Bitcoin If Eurogroup Doesn't Give Us a Deal" | GreekReporter.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5NtSo ) 1083312;1427933688;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1083060 << yeah there's no mistake there. 1083313;1427933688;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 22:37:17; ascii_field: mistook?! 1083314;1427933707;mircea_popescu;NewLiberty never heard of the site, so... 1083315;1427933714;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 i thought you tested it in vms ? << yup. one virtual box deb 6 vm, one aws deb6 AMI and a friend had a separate deb6 ami. my gentoo testing was on gentoo aws AMI also. 1083316;1427933742;mircea_popescu;so it wouldn't have an openssl other than what auto.sh makes 1083317;1427933749;mircea_popescu;unless there's a magic one ? 1083318;1427933770;mod6;i can take a look at mine in xxd, just a moment. 1083319;1427933781;mod6;(the virtualbox one, in particular.) 1083320;1427933825;hanbot;asciilifeform> maybe hanbot can try? gentoo box? << would love to help out, unfortunately i haven't managed to get it working quite yet. 1083321;1427933844;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1083088 << wait, *I* have to balance my budget ? 1083322;1427933844;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 22:43:56; ben_vulpes: we could readily employ thousands. << you and what budget?! 1083323;1427933856;mircea_popescu;fuck that shit, obama is the blessed child of the heavens, can run deficits ? 1083324;1427933861;mircea_popescu;what sort of contest is this ? 1083325;1427933887;mircea_popescu;i am happy to announce that for the fy 2014 serenissima ran a whopping 5798796857967496834% deficit 1083326;1427933891;mircea_popescu;all voluntarily contributed. 1083327;1427933903;mircea_popescu;this is the contemplated policy going forward. 1083328;1427934028;mod6;someone also mentioned that we (the bitcoin foundation) should host the openssl, bdb, and boost libs on our website for dl. i decided against that as i like someone to feel like they're getting a copy from the originator. (this is from yesterday) 1083329;1427934039;mircea_popescu;yeah that someone was me 1083330;1427934046;mod6;so that's why that isthe way it is. 1083331;1427934059;mircea_popescu;the reason i proposed that is because i have no doubt the "originators" will sooner or later run away with the code. 1083332;1427934105;mod6;fair assessment. i thought the same thing at first, and even had all the libs on our site. then started thinking conversely about it. 1083333;1427934125;mod6;we can change that up. that's easy enough. 1083334;1427934127;asciilifeform;jurov!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1083335;1427934129;mircea_popescu;not like people can't pull them from the source. 1083336;1427934129;asciilifeform;it ate it 1083337;1427934130;asciilifeform;motherfucker 1083338;1427934142;mircea_popescu;think of it as a cache or something. 1083339;1427934157;mod6;sure 1083340;1427934245;asciilifeform;and then i put it in a tarball and signed 1083341;1427934249;asciilifeform;and STILL ATE IT 1083342;1427934252;asciilifeform;jurov!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1083343;1427934289;jurov;asciilifeform sigh. it expects a clearsigned text, not just attachments with detached sigs 1083344;1427934308;asciilifeform;i thought signed text can replace body 1083345;1427934319;asciilifeform;(NO I WILL NOT manually trim the line lengths of the compiler barf.) 1083346;1427934331;asciilifeform;and i don't -want- them trimmed 1083347;1427934339;asciilifeform;i want that thing to display as it would from my fucking disk. 1083348;1427934391;jurov;no that's fine, just put short clearsigned comment what are the other attachments about 1083349;1427934946;mod6;fuck 1083350;1427934955;mod6;so i dunno, but this doensn't look right: http://dpaste.com/1HRAZ5V.txt 1083351;1427934956;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyRtai ) 1083352;1427935036;mod6;my deb machine was installed in december, but maybe the system wide OpenSSL 1.0.1g was upgraded in feb. The version the system wide gives me is April 7 2014. The xxd output looks like its indicating the one from the system. 1083353;1427935048;mod6;*sigh* 1083354;1427935049;mod6;brb 1083355;1427935384;mircea_popescu;!s devil pay love him 1083356;1427935385;assbot;2 results for 'devil pay love him' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=devil+pay+love+him 1083357;1427935432;mircea_popescu;mothefucker. the two results lead to... referneces, without actual link, of the original. 1083358;1427935437;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform happen to recall original ? 1083359;1427935616;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/ found for later. 1083360;1427935617;assbot;Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqoKb6 ) 1083361;1427935681;mod6;so if that's not working as expected, I (we) need help getting the makefile in order so that it does this correctly & the auto.sh script if that's part of the problem also. 1083362;1427935698;mod6;obviously, i don't have a clue as to what's going on there. 1083363;1427935918;ben_vulpes;mod6: how does that dpaste indicate the system ssl? 1083364;1427935927;ben_vulpes;i don't know how to read xxd output at all 1083365;1427935970;mod6;'OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7' << is probably referring to the output seen here: OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7 Apr 2014 1083366;1427935975;mod6;I don't know for sure though. 1083367;1427935990;mod6;alf might know. i bet it's the wrong goddamn one 1083368;1427936179;ben_vulpes;isn't that the release date of 1.0.1g? 1083369;1427936181;ben_vulpes;https://www.openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/ 1083370;1427936182;assbot;OpenSSL: Old 1.0.1 Releases ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyUS8S ) 1083371;1427936209;ben_vulpes;the version of openssl you and alf found to not wedge bitcoind? 1083372;1427936266;mod6;my hunch is that this is not working as expected. I need alf to verify for me. 1083373;1427936283;mod6;or help me verify 1083374;1427936295;asciilifeform;jurov: can delete 2nd post, it is redundant 1083375;1427936380;asciilifeform;or zap it all, i'll resend in a sec 1083376;1427936456;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html 1083377;1427936456;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqpJIo ) 1083378;1427936458;asciilifeform;^ finally. 1083379;1427936464;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al ^ 1083380;1427936528;mod6;asciilifeform: is there a definitive way to check the binary for which SSL is linked in? 1083381;1427936589;asciilifeform;mod6: readelf 1083382;1427936611;asciilifeform;readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i ssl 1083383;1427936613;asciilifeform;but! 1083384;1427936618;asciilifeform;i think this only works for DYNAMIC 1083385;1427936625;asciilifeform;cannot possibly work for static build. 1083386;1427936631;asciilifeform;which is one of the penalties for going static 1083387;1427936636;mod6;did you see my paste? 1083388;1427936661;asciilifeform;the only way to know what's in a static build is a disassembler, a stead hand, a thermos of coffee, and some familiarity with the constituent parts 1083389;1427936666;asciilifeform;*steady hand 1083390;1427936707;mod6;yeah i get nothing from these: root@debian-test:~/release-test/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i ssl 1083391;1427936710;mod6;root@debian-test:~/release-test/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i SSL 1083392;1427936715;asciilifeform;and you won't. 1083393;1427936720;asciilifeform;because - elementarily - static. 1083394;1427936724;asciilifeform;that means it's all ground beef. 1083395;1427936725;mod6;ok got it. 1083396;1427936736;mod6;so need to run in gdb and disassemble. 1083397;1427936737;asciilifeform;try turning debug symbols back on 1083398;1427936747;BingoBoingo; which is one of the penalties for going static << The most important part of a turkey sandwich is the ham 1083399;1427936748;asciilifeform;then might get something from the DWARF data. 1083400;1427936785;mod6;next part here... in your email, it seems that you apply your patch "asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.patch", and this doesnt seem to completely solve it... 1083401;1427936794;mod6;there is another error beyond that one?? 1083402;1427936803;asciilifeform;read whole thing plz 1083403;1427936853;asciilifeform;after the words 'Let's try that build again:' 1083404;1427936886;mod6;yeah,it's weird. it seemed to puke on this: 1083405;1427936886;mod6;/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl 1083406;1427936889;mod6;/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lcrypto 1083407;1427937023;decimation;^ openssl failed to build/install 1083408;1427937074;asciilifeform;it built 1083409;1427937080;asciilifeform;this is the static build, remember! 1083410;1427937082;asciilifeform;it built. 1083411;1427937088;asciilifeform;and is exactly where it was supposed to go. 1083412;1427937096;asciilifeform;this is the auto.sh build. 1083413;1427937096;decimation;that's a good point, why is ld complaining 1083414;1427937129;asciilifeform;or hm, no it isn't. 1083415;1427937130;asciilifeform;lol 1083416;1427937202;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not retarded having a manifest with it dood. 1083417;1427937202;asciilifeform;missed this because the dir was there, and with some contents 1083418;1427937205;asciilifeform;but not the whole thing. 1083419;1427937211;decimation;dynamic libraries are the depressing result of the c-machine's sad attempt to have a global namespace 1083420;1427937217;asciilifeform;decimation has it 1083421;1427937252;mircea_popescu; cannot possibly work for static build. << this. 1083422;1427937290;mircea_popescu;the only reasonable way to go forward at this point would be a) edit the source of the ssl we intend to use to include a magic string ; b) make ; c) strings on the binary. 1083423;1427937298;asciilifeform;or turn debug on. 1083424;1427937303;asciilifeform;then objdump. 1083425;1427937317;mircea_popescu;im not sure i'd trust it. hey, if gcc is dubious ? 1083426;1427937345;asciilifeform;cms.pod around line 457: Expected text after =item, not a number 1083427;1427937345;asciilifeform;cms.pod around line 461: Expected text after =item, not a number 1083428;1427937345;asciilifeform;cms.pod around line 465: Expected text after =item, not a number 1083429;1427937345;asciilifeform;cms.pod around line 470: Expected text after =item, not a number 1083430;1427937345;asciilifeform;cms.pod around line 474: Expected text after =item, not a number 1083431;1427937346;asciilifeform;POD document had syntax errors at /usr/bin/pod2man line 71. 1083432;1427937348;asciilifeform;Makefile:640: recipe for target 'install_docs' failed 1083433;1427937350;asciilifeform;make: *** [install_docs] Error 1 1083434;1427937352;asciilifeform;^ how openssl dies. 1083435;1427937352;mircea_popescu;in general this is the golden pill to defeat "general purpose" poisoned compiler, that auto-pulls the magic diddled dependency : put a x = "hash" in the code, compile, see if it included it. 1083436;1427937365;asciilifeform;note that it died a mostly silent death, buried beneath a torrent of barf from other compiles 1083437;1427937370;asciilifeform;and auto.sh did not notice. 1083438;1427937397;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ultimately we audit the bins 1083439;1427937402;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is no escape from this. 1083440;1427937407;mircea_popescu;"/home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/asio/detail/impl/socket_ops.ipp:2900: warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking" 1083441;1427937417;mircea_popescu;this is seriously a bigger deal than whatever obama fucking derped today. 1083442;1427937418;decimation;that's a common bug 1083443;1427937420;asciilifeform;(i sorta do this for a living. but no one should take only my word for things.) 1083444;1427937429;mircea_popescu;decimation tell ? 1083445;1427937453;*;asciilifeform off to pet pet, bbl 1083446;1427937456;decimation;if I recall the getaddrinfo calls up the resolv.conf apparatus 1083447;1427937480;decimation;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2725255/create-statically-linked-binary-that-uses-getaddrinfo but apparently nobody gives a shit, like the open ntp ddos amplifiers << Software names make this shit weird because there was ntpd which had this problem and openntpd which to my knowledge didn't 1083458;1427937848;decimation;ntpd was a somewhat misguided attempt to turn unix into a 'scientific instrument' 1083459;1427937856;BingoBoingo;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/01/how_to_spaff_240_million_by_going_organic/ 1083460;1427937856;assbot;Nuclear waste spill: How a pro-organic push sparked $240m blunder • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyZCLJ ) 1083461;1427937969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74000 @ 0.00026088 = 19.3051 BTC [+] 1083462;1427937981;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ 1083463;1427937995;decimation;lol 1083464;1427938006;decimation;"But enough of such simplicities, let us now turn our attention to the real headscratcher. The source of that drum was Los Alamos, which is largely – but by no means exclusively – a nuclear weapons lab. And we have someone there who apparently preferentially purchases organically. A" 1083465;1427938071;BingoBoingo;Oppenheimer himself was enough of a hippy to go on the "bad" list 1083466;1427939620;ben_vulpes;so what *is* the #b-a sanctioned os? 1083467;1427939738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41002 @ 0.00026089 = 10.697 BTC [+] {2} 1083468;1427939757;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: without a full deturding of a stack there likely can not be a single one blessed OS 1083469;1427939809;ben_vulpes;at the end of the day, man must compute 1083470;1427939832;decimation;ben_vulpes: I use rhel because I know it 1083471;1427939838;decimation;but rhel 7 may end that 1083472;1427939854;ben_vulpes;how did you come to rhel? 1083473;1427939876;decimation;it was used in my day job, became a habit 1083474;1427939921;decimation;although I agree with folks who assert that redhat is gov't influenced, I also think that there is something to the idea of freezing a baseline and keeping it stable 1083475;1427940000;BingoBoingo;OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT 1083476;1427940028;decimation;my issue with openbsd is relatively poor hardware support 1083477;1427940033;decimation;but that's a function of their focus 1083478;1427940104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 291751 @ 0.00025271 = 73.7284 BTC [-] {3} 1083479;1427940107;BingoBoingo;I had to replace the wifi card in this machine at a cost of $25, but that was not a dealbreaker. It's the other weird that prevents wholesale recommendation. It to asciilifeform's disappoint lacks an Ada 1083480;1427940177;asciilifeform;wat 1083481;1427940183;asciilifeform;what machine 1083482;1427940190;decimation;why can't you build gcc/gnat? 1083483;1427940197;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: daily work beast 1083484;1427940208;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo's ? 1083485;1427940209;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: OpenBSD does not have a working ada in its ports that I could discover 1083486;1427940224;ben_vulpes;nvm i think i'm off-thread 1083487;1427940234;BingoBoingo;If I want to revert to Nigbuntu or a linux, Sure I can get an Ada. 1083488;1427940237;decimation;ben_vulpes: what linux/unix are you most familiar with? 1083489;1427940253;ben_vulpes;"os x" 1083490;1427940260;decimation;heh 1083491;1427940261;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it has gcc. build with ada included in --enable-languages 1083492;1427940262;ben_vulpes;feelsbad.png 1083493;1427940276;asciilifeform;this should also work on crapple 1083494;1427940278;decimation;I made a bug report on macports recently, was told to fix myself 1083495;1427940283;asciilifeform;(assuming ordinary gcc still builds there!) 1083496;1427940291;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll add that on the 5.7 release to do list 1083497;1427940311;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not related to what we were doing though... 1083498;1427940313;asciilifeform;or to openbsd 1083499;1427940313;BingoBoingo; (assuming ordinary gcc still builds there!) << It seems they use a... modified GCC 1083500;1427940314;decimation;I'm sure you can get ada working on osx but it's not as simple as 'port install gnat' 1083501;1427940327;asciilifeform;(when i do the thing that requires the ada, it won't be happening on openbsd. or gentoo) 1083502;1427940343;decimation;asciilifeform: buildroot? 1083503;1427940347;asciilifeform;no 1083504;1427940350;asciilifeform;iron. 1083505;1427940354;decimation;actually some folks have tried to build ada kernel 1083506;1427940370;decimation;as in no os? 1083507;1427940382;asciilifeform;aha 1083508;1427940386;asciilifeform;this is easier than it sounds 1083509;1427940392;*;BingoBoingo was going to pick up an UltraSparc box this month, but the Chimp in Chief has forced a revision of all my budget priorities 1083510;1427940393;asciilifeform;because ada spec -includes a scheduler- 1083511;1427940396;decimation;yeah, basically single main() loop 1083512;1427940405;asciilifeform;not same as a naked main() in c 1083513;1427940409;decimation;that's nice 1083514;1427940409;asciilifeform;you get civilization. 1083515;1427940412;asciilifeform;the comforts of home. 1083516;1427940430;ben_vulpes;heh. 1083517;1427940430;asciilifeform;;;google ada ravenscar 1083518;1427940431;gribble;Ravenscar profile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Guide for the use of the Ada Ravenscar Profile in high ... - SIGAda: ; The SPARK Ravenscar Profile - AdaCore: 1083519;1427940442;asciilifeform;^ all the detail you could ever wish for. 1083520;1427940502;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: is your medium-term goal to cross compile bitcoind with buildroot? 1083521;1427940510;ben_vulpes;forgive my *staggering* thickness 1083522;1427940517;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha 1083523;1427940523;ben_vulpes;(is it in the set of whatever whatever) 1083524;1427940529;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: but you are running ahead of the class even here. 1083525;1427940542;asciilifeform;i actually sat down that time to properly fix the bastard blocks thing 1083526;1427940549;ben_vulpes;my hero! 1083527;1427940554;asciilifeform;wanted to build an instrumented version of bitcoind for this 1083528;1427940557;asciilifeform;on ordinary machine. 1083529;1427940565;asciilifeform;with nothing fancy or crosscompilatory whatsoever. 1083530;1427940571;asciilifeform;and ended here. 1083531;1427940597;ben_vulpes;putting bitcoind on pogo. 1083532;1427940599;asciilifeform;i realize that i could do this just as well with my old traditional build. 1083533;1427940599;ben_vulpes;somehow. 1083534;1427940608;asciilifeform;but there is a Release ! 1083535;1427940617;asciilifeform;and wanted my patches, when any, to diff -from it- 1083536;1427940621;asciilifeform;not from the old crap 1083537;1427940633;asciilifeform;because that's sorta what releases are for 1083538;1427940638;ben_vulpes;what version was your "old crap"? 1083539;1427940654;asciilifeform;included all the patches but the static-build stuff 1083540;1427940672;asciilifeform;well, all the accepted patches plus my unaccepted integer fix patch (not today's, but the earlier one in portatron) 1083541;1427940777;ben_vulpes;which was the integer patch again? 1083542;1427940809;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/asciilifeform-porta-tronic_67d6162e1cc78b3a6aca584e2123e59fdee189f6.patch 1083543;1427940810;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1COjCvm ) 1083544;1427940811;asciilifeform;that one 1083545;1427940850;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.brendangregg.com/linuxperf.html < You can kinda run 'dtrace' on linux with his scripts 1083546;1427940851;assbot;Linux Performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6gHkT ) 1083547;1427940879;asciilifeform;the ancestral 'strace' works for me 1083548;1427940888;decimation;yeah that's the lion's share of it 1083549;1427940899;asciilifeform;but we're talking about a b0rk3d -build- 1083550;1427940901;asciilifeform;not run. 1083551;1427940904;decimation;ah 1083552;1427941043;asciilifeform;incidentally, my own portatronic build did not work without this patch. 1083553;1427941126;asciilifeform;https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/security-openssl-build-failure.41478 1083554;1427941128;assbot;security/openssl build failure | The FreeBSD Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/19LHFzl ) 1083555;1427941129;asciilifeform;Motherfuckers. 1083556;1427941161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu check it out ^ 1083557;1427941239;*;BingoBoingo naive, insufficiently initiated here, but how does 0.5.3.1 build with libressl portable 2.0 or later on a linux? 1083558;1427941260;mod6;it probably does not 1083559;1427941270;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i have not tried it 1083560;1427941284;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but recall the thread where mircea_popescu demanded mathematical proof. 1083561;1427941290;decimation;I remember fixing that by turning off docs 1083562;1427941301;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i recently got an itch to try that myself 1083563;1427941306;asciilifeform;aha so now we have a local fork of openssl ? 1083564;1427941310;asciilifeform;who wants to maintain it ? 1083565;1427941325;ben_vulpes;join the glorious open source archaelogy project of #bitcoin-assets 1083566;1427941337;ben_vulpes;"does the sub fly if i tape this jet engine to it?" 1083567;1427941339;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034840 1083568;1427941339;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 21:33:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stuck with math proven equivalence. 1083569;1427941345;BingoBoingo;I suggest this not as a solution to the OpenSSL turdation and version hell, but as a way to identify which parts of OpenSSL turdify unforgivably 1083570;1427941374;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is, to use my technical term, a spittoon. 1083571;1427941378;asciilifeform;!s spittoon 1083572;1427941379;assbot;24 results for 'spittoon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spittoon 1083573;1427941403;decimation;If you look at how redhat 'maintains' a baseline of code, you find that they pile up patches as shit breaks 1083574;1427941417;*;BingoBoingo only gave chewing tobacco 3 weeks as a habit before returning to smoked tobacco 1083575;1427941422;asciilifeform;decimation: the patches reliably break, in their turn, other things 1083576;1427941434;decimation;indeed, which require more patches 1083577;1427941448;decimation;this kinda 'works' when you are trying to keep a somewhat frozen baseline 1083578;1427941457;decimation;not so much if you want to add any features 1083579;1427941461;asciilifeform;which is why that human turd jon callas kept going on and on about how 'real security patches, even against user's will, because updates are the most important thing in security' 1083580;1427941481;asciilifeform;this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism 1083581;1427941497;decimation;^ real security is designed without bugs 1083582;1427941502;asciilifeform;aha. 1083583;1427941511;asciilifeform;and is meta-designed to make this thinkable and practical. 1083584;1427941521;decimation;but as long as 'we' are maintaining someone else's code it's pretty much inevitible to fall into the hole 1083585;1427941529;asciilifeform;we never got out of it 1083586;1427941532;asciilifeform;were always in the hole. 1083587;1427941537;decimation;indeed. 1083588;1427941724;decimation;related > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/saag/current/msg02142.html 1083589;1427941725;assbot;Re: [saag] Algorithms/modes requested by users/customers ... ( http://bit.ly/19LIN65 ) 1083590;1427941823;decimation;"Compare this to the example I gave earlier of performing a TLS exchange with Amazon. This performs an in-depth test of all the crypto algorithms (corresponding to the FIPS algorithm tests, including ones that FIPS ignores), and the crypto mechanisms (many/most of which FIPS again ignores). In other words simply by connecting to Amazon using TLS and ordering a "Scrubs" DVD for 1083591;1427941824;decimation;$19.95 I'm getting more comprehensive algorithm testing than I can for a five-figure sum with the FIPS algorithm tests." 1083592;1427941853;asciilifeform;the tests are a chump tax charged on folks peddling turdware to usg and friends 1083593;1427941866;decimation;aye, because usg 'requires' it 1083594;1427941881;asciilifeform;exceptions free for the asking for 'favourite sons' of course 1083595;1427941897;asciilifeform;you will never hear of northrop or lockheed losing a contract from failing to pass 'fips' etc 1083596;1427941925;asciilifeform;see the case of the 'drone' pinched in iran, which was gps-spoofable because crypto was omitted entirely 1083597;1427941946;asciilifeform;which 'fips' did -it- pass. 1083598;1427941969;decimation;lol even apple plays the game http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-6-granted-fips-140-2-approved-for-u-s-government-use/ 1083599;1427941971;assbot;iOS 6 granted FIPS 140-2, approved for U.S. government use | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/19LJ8Wl ) 1083600;1427941978;asciilifeform;of course it plays 1083601;1427941980;asciilifeform;being a dept of usg 1083602;1427941995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133000 @ 0.0002609 = 34.6997 BTC [+] 1083603;1427941997;decimation;"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), a division of U.S. Homeland Security, said it would pull the plug on its 17,600 employee BlackBerrys and favor iPhones instead. The deal, according to a "solicitation" document, would be worth $2.1 million — to the U.S. taxpayer, at least." 1083604;1427942009;asciilifeform;(there is no private industry, in the traditional sense, in usg-dom. nothing larger than a hotdog stand, certainly.) 1083605;1427942028;ben_vulpes;oh, humbug. 1083606;1427942039;ben_vulpes;maybe not where you live. 1083607;1427942045;decimation;asciilifeform: usg buys everything on the 'friends&family' plan 1083608;1427942046;asciilifeform;nowhere. 1083609;1427942058;asciilifeform;see tlp's piece. 1083610;1427942065;asciilifeform;say ben_vulpes sells aluminum siding. by the gigatonne. 1083611;1427942069;asciilifeform;private? 1083612;1427942074;asciilifeform;but then look - who buys it? with what ? 1083613;1427942078;asciilifeform;and for what. 1083614;1427942111;ben_vulpes;i dunno man, new relic isn't terrifically dependent on government purchases. 1083615;1427942119;ben_vulpes;salesforce either. 1083616;1427942126;BingoBoingo; maybe not where you live. << You may know there where, but not the how to look 1083617;1427942127;asciilifeform;is mickey-d usg ? 1083618;1427942140;asciilifeform;no one who walks in, likely is usg. certainly not official procurer 1083619;1427942147;asciilifeform;but where do the clientele get their dough ? 1083620;1427942163;ben_vulpes;"everything comes from the government" my arse 1083621;1427942172;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: take jupiter. 1083622;1427942181;ben_vulpes;what now? 1083623;1427942187;asciilifeform;while not everything in the solar system 'comes from jupiter' - he has a say in what happens. 1083624;1427942198;BingoBoingo; is mickey-d usg ? << When I worked there after Library school frozen meat cam in boxes labeled Cargill, member of Carlisle group, indicted somewhat in Farenheit-911 1083625;1427942203;asciilifeform;and nothing can be meaningfully described without him. 1083626;1427942230;ben_vulpes;modern fascist state permutation of all aspects of life. 1083627;1427942234;asciilifeform;aha 1083628;1427942252;BingoBoingo;"National Socialism"(TM) 1083629;1427942264;ben_vulpes;plenty happens beyond its domain. its domain, as was the french, is vastly less broad and strong than it thinks. 1083630;1427942327;decimation;'the mountains are high and the emperor is far away' 1083631;1427942344;asciilifeform;^ pre-telegraph - was true 1083632;1427942352;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Perhaps re-read http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm though beast has a dissciative mental disorder and this brave soul reporting suffers isolation the thread doesn't tear 1083633;1427942352;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19LJT1u ) 1083634;1427942486;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform: usg buys everything on the 'friends&family' plan << And no one knows how tenous their connection is as Force, Carl Mark IV can likely attest 1083635;1427942494;asciilifeform; salesforce either << usg is not the post office. usg is precisely the folks who perpetrate things such as 'salesforce.' 1083636;1427942500;decimation;BingoBoingo: "Among the purposes of 'Snowden' - who never 'stole' any documents - is to increase the sense of terrorism and blackmail among governments; " < to believe this is to travel through the looking-glass 1083637;1427942510;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aha! 1083638;1427942582;BingoBoingo;decimation: I have never seen pills colored #FF000 nor #0000FF even when observing pharmacy school slide decks for two years 1083639;1427942706;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083462 << there you go mr budget :D 1083640;1427942706;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 01:26:21; scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ 1083641;1427942744;BingoBoingo;decimation: Snowden is not a person with Agency, yet he has handlers who are Agents. 1083642;1427942746;decimation;mircea_popescu: note that china knows how this game works; is taking 'possession' of the south china sea 1083643;1427942748;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083475 << really a minor point. 1083644;1427942748;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 02:00:00; BingoBoingo: OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT 1083645;1427942778;mircea_popescu;decimation im very much left wondering by asciilifeform's ideas about china. i dunno that it's in any sense comensal with the us. 1083646;1427942785;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin above MtGox $266 high 2 years on" http://bitbet.us/bet/1126/ Odds: 36(Y):64(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.38145505 BTC. Current weight: 16,797. 1083647;1427942912;decimation;well, china has a relatively small core of 'managers', usg is really a headless beast 1083648;1427942961;mircea_popescu;(commensal = eating at same table) 1083649;1427943062;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I know openbsd has a plan for governance post-Theo. The exact plans are opaque to me. It would be abberant for Beck to naturally outlive Theo, but... known unknown 1083650;1427943077;nubbins`;hi 1083651;1427943114;mircea_popescu;no u 1083652;1427943474;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "I can verify that downgrading to Perl 5.16 works." uh ?! 1083653;1427943661;nubbins`;asciilifeform haven't peeked at your latest mail yet, but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error 1083654;1427943671;nubbins`;but there's another error right before that, almost missed it. 1083655;1427943676;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yG2UrE1k 1083656;1427943677;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19LMatO ) 1083657;1427943688;nubbins`;bitcoinrpc.cpp:1761:30: error: expected primary-expression before ‘(’ token 1083658;1427943722;BingoBoingo;Twitter was very sad today https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/583117607777243136 1083659;1427943724;assbot;It turns out the photo of 4-year-old Syrian girl surrendering to a camera is real, not faked. http://t.co/7Vw3MoGWGN http://t.co/RsiQhJWDPS 1083660;1427943769;*;BingoBoingo waits for Vatican to invade Damascus 1083661;1427943804;nubbins`;rename it davatican 1083662;1427943857;mircea_popescu;lmao 1083663;1427943882;nubbins`;here all night. 1083664;1427943907;nubbins`;but really though, the closest stable gcc version to mod6's 4.4.5 that portage still carries is 4.4.7 1083665;1427943914;nubbins`;i'm gonna give that a shit 1083666;1427943933;BingoBoingo;Also here apparently is what BuzzDave is up to atm, would rewrite but drinking my drink before crisis budget hits tommorrow. http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-seeks-details-us-bitcoin-mining/ 1083667;1427943933;assbot;Coinbase Seeks 'Invasive' Details on US Bitcoin Mining Operations ... ( http://bit.ly/19LMOaF ) 1083668;1427943940;nubbins`;tbh gentoo is the odd one out here, which is curious 1083669;1427943947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148250 @ 0.00025289 = 37.4909 BTC [-] 1083670;1427943948;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083563 << you don't understand : we already ARE stuck with this. want it or not. 1083671;1427943948;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 02:21:46; asciilifeform: aha so now we have a local fork of openssl ? 1083672;1427943958;mircea_popescu;since bitcoin pulled the code AS IT WAS and built a chain on it, the optionsare : 1083673;1427943964;mircea_popescu;fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. 1083674;1427943965;mircea_popescu;thjaty's it. 1083675;1427943997;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo da force gotta know what to steal, right ? 1083676;1427944010;mircea_popescu;usg doing a splendid job of getting the muppets do the "case da joint" work for free. 1083677;1427944113;decimation;^ french housewives enforced the various 'maximums' 1083678;1427944118;*;BingoBoingo actually affected by MP's deed of the day. lacks assets for USG to steal 1083679;1427944136;BingoBoingo;*minimally effected 1083680;1427944147;asciilifeform;nubbins`: but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error << apply the -other- patch. the one from 2hrs ago. 1083681;1427944154;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083580 << it's a leonard cohenism. 1083682;1427944154;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 02:24:41; asciilifeform: this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism 1083683;1427944155;nubbins`;yeah, just checking that now 1083684;1427944206;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR-qO4Y 1083685;1427944207;assbot;Leonard Cohen - Democracy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1akZOFs ) 1083686;1427944249;mircea_popescu;hm... check that out, actually it isn't. he has a "coming through a hole in the air", thing. and there's an excellent "the night comes on. it's very clam. i'd like to imagine my father was wrong..." very powerful verse somewhere else. 1083687;1427944261;mircea_popescu;i guess i contributed the mix. dj mp. 1083688;1427944276;nubbins`;heh 1083689;1427944296;asciilifeform;Coinbase Seeks 'Invasive' Details on US Bitcoin Mining Operations << this is, to use the 'manosphere' term of art, a 'shit test' 1083690;1427944298;mircea_popescu;... but you don't wanna lie... not to the yo-oung... 1083691;1427944318;asciilifeform;anyone who doesn't send them off to pound sand up arse - has bowed to usg 1083692;1427944332;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkyiu3GZ8eQ 1083693;1427944333;assbot;Leonard Cohen - Love Calls You By Your Name - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1al08E5 ) 1083694;1427944352;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's probably useful in building the lists of who can be dekulakized willingly. 1083695;1427944381;BingoBoingo;I dunno if anyone here other than hanbot will be familiar with BuzzDave's MO, building ASIC mining farm at any budget, whether feeds scamzors or not in the process irrelevant 1083696;1427944387;asciilifeform;list of who doesn't even consider it dekulakization - merely owner coming 'back' to take what is 'his', that he merely let you store in safekeeping for a spell. 1083697;1427944413;asciilifeform;if you built a miner, 'you didn't build that' 1083698;1427944434;mircea_popescu;well... nothing is as strictly relevant to national security as a mining farm, factually speaking. 1083699;1427944449;mircea_popescu;airjets can be made out of imported parts. and are. and they suck. and it doesn't matter. 1083700;1427944472;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it 1083701;1427944485;asciilifeform;this has more immediate implications than commandeering mere jet factory. 1083702;1427944487;*;BingoBoingo knows of no circumstantial evidence that suggest USG proxy more than exists for BuzzDave. 1083703;1427944506;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo we're talking more "coming years" than "situation atm" here. 1083704;1427944509;decimation;parts of usg would gravely protest other parts of usg minting non-usd 1083705;1427944537;*;BingoBoingo imagines in this instance lizards sacrificing CoinBase cred in swap to offer cred to Dave 1083706;1427944588;mircea_popescu;". The deal, according to a "solicitation" document, would be worth $2.1 million to the U.S. taxpayer, at least." << how to get 20k ipads for 100 bucks each ? 1083707;1427944632;mircea_popescu;decimation this is not going away. the usg's hunger for btc far exceeds its hunger for anything else COMBINED. 1083708;1427944820;decimation;mircea_popescu: perhaps, but to fully realize it usg would have to publicly destroy the dollar bezzle 1083709;1427944827;mircea_popescu;nope. 1083710;1427944842;mircea_popescu;you act from this strange notion of perfect knowledge. 1083711;1427944849;decimation;who is gonna want to be paid in dollars while the fed is hoarding bitcoin 1083712;1427944854;mircea_popescu;everyone ? 1083713;1427944863;mircea_popescu;i don't think you appreciate how stupid people are. 1083714;1427944872;mircea_popescu;who wants to fuck with an ipad when there's a perfectly usable desktop ? 1083715;1427944881;decimation;I suppose the same holds roughly true with gold 1083716;1427944882;mircea_popescu;who wants "drm coffee machine" ? 1083717;1427944886;nubbins`;EVERYONE 1083718;1427944888;nubbins`;:D 1083719;1427944896;mircea_popescu;who, pray tell me, eats the shit it eats that it just shat ? 1083720;1427944900;decimation;but the sheer fact of usg's gold's possession 'made' it the reserve currency 1083721;1427944905;mircea_popescu;nope. 1083722;1427944920;mircea_popescu;the sheer fact of the b-a of the time made it. the usg follows in all dances. never yet lead, never will lead. 1083723;1427944924;mircea_popescu;once those went away... well... 1083724;1427944951;mircea_popescu;and as "we" have agreed bitcoin is what it is, well... 1083725;1427944996;decimation;the 'headless beast' is hard to kill but easy to misguide 1083726;1427945093;mircea_popescu;what are you going to kill lol, bilge water ? 1083727;1427945123;mircea_popescu;"i am arthur son of uther pendragon, defeater of the molds, killer of the bilge water!" 1083728;1427945129;asciilifeform;more like ants. 1083729;1427945138;nubbins`;asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xT8ezS6b 1083730;1427945139;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1al2ymg ) 1083731;1427945141;asciilifeform;who hasn't killed an ant colony 1083732;1427945144;mircea_popescu;im off ! laters. 1083733;1427945157;asciilifeform;nubbins`: there we go 1083734;1427945165;decimation;one could imagine killing an ant colony, but not all ants on a continent 1083735;1427945171;asciilifeform;as decimation helpfully pointed out ~1hr ago, ssl didn't build 1083736;1427945174;asciilifeform;see log as to why. 1083737;1427945199;decimation;asciilifeform: one wonders what the openssl authors use as a 'baseline os' 1083738;1427945218;nubbins`;"glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration." 1083739;1427945223;asciilifeform;decimation: probably winblows 1083740;1427945241;asciilifeform;when you scratch the surface, you always find some imbecile who develops on winblows, and then asks 'whatchalookingat' 1083741;1427945243;decimation;nubbins`: no that's a different issue, not critical 1083742;1427945246;asciilifeform;'doesn't everyone?' 1083743;1427945256;decimation;heh yeah 'mingw' 1083744;1427945263;decimation;'I really like visual c++' 1083745;1427945270;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this was after my (today's) patch ? 1083746;1427945274;nubbins`;yep 1083747;1427945278;asciilifeform;nubbins`: what do you get without it ? 1083748;1427945308;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yG2UrE1k 1083749;1427945309;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1al2YJn ) 1083750;1427945323;nubbins`;i'm in lockstep with you, seems 1083751;1427945331;asciilifeform;nubbins`: wait 1083752;1427945337;asciilifeform;that's without -any- patches of mine? 1083753;1427945339;nubbins`;no 1083754;1427945344;nubbins`;with the portatronic patch. 1083755;1427945346;asciilifeform;aha. 1083756;1427945350;asciilifeform;ok so nubbins` has what i have. 1083757;1427945361;*;nubbins` coughs, scratches arm 1083758;1427945369;nubbins`;it's real bad, man 1083759;1427945370;asciilifeform;l0l 1083760;1427945472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209550 @ 0.0002609 = 54.6716 BTC [+] 1083761;1427945473;BingoBoingo;This is BingoBoingo and welcome to day one of Axe time 1083762;1427945477;decimation;asciilifeform: it strikes me that a handy product would be a little ada microcontroller with an implementation of rsa 1083763;1427945507;asciilifeform;decimation: afaik there were never dedicated ada silicon 1083764;1427945518;asciilifeform;though it would have made sense (bounds checking, etc. a la lisp machine) 1083765;1427945544;asciilifeform;ada, like lisp, is not a language. it is merely a kind of void left by removing retardation. 1083766;1427945674;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu:fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. << third option: make new apparatus, prove idempotence. 1083767;1427945689;*;BingoBoingo unsure how to handle axe time behind enemy lines 1083768;1427945695;decimation;well, the point is that a fairly rigorous device could be made 1083769;1427945706;decimation;and I suggest that key material is loaded with: paper card 1083770;1427945719;asciilifeform;decimation: i did suggest paper card at one point. 1083771;1427945741;decimation;yeah I think I recall. like the 'Fialka' machine http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/card.htm 1083772;1427945742;assbot;Fialka ... ( http://bit.ly/1al47jU ) 1083773;1427945753;asciilifeform;like every '40s machine. 1083774;1427945769;asciilifeform;and even '80s in many cases (u.s. naval crypto used paper cards until '90 or so) 1083775;1427945813;decimation;easily human inspection AND comparison 1083776;1427945819;asciilifeform;of keys. 1083777;1427945824;decimation;yes. 1083778;1427945845;decimation;the trouble is getting enough 'holes' on a reasonable size paper 1083779;1427946195;decimation;the "fialka" grid is only 30x30 1083780;1427946302;BingoBoingo;If this is what axe time is like /me wonders about sword time survivability 1083781;1427946361;asciilifeform;'Warning: never connect this 3-pin male plug (24V DC) to the 3-pin female plug (230V AC) of the mains cable. Due to bad design, it fits perfectly, but supplies the mains voltage to the 24V input of the cipher machine, causing permanent damage to the cipher machine. Be warned!' << l0l 1083782;1427946373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu must have been thinking of this machine the other day. 1083783;1427946374;decimation;heh 1083784;1427946554;decimation;heh it's not a particularly fancy circuit 1083785;1427946555;decimation;the psu 1083786;1427946565;asciilifeform;check out the 'tempest' psu. 1083787;1427946586;asciilifeform;http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/tempest.htm 1083788;1427946587;assbot;PSU ... ( http://bit.ly/1al6TG5 ) 1083789;1427946623;decimation;ah yeah that's more useful 1083790;1427946635;asciilifeform;funny how they gave a damn re: tempest on a fucking ROTOR CRYPTO MACHINE 1083791;1427946643;decimation;heh 1083792;1427946645;asciilifeform;crackable in about thirty seconds on 'commodore 64' 1083793;1427946677;asciilifeform;and why, precisely, does it need the digital output ? 1083794;1427946681;asciilifeform;in the -power supply- 1083795;1427946682;asciilifeform;wtf. 1083796;1427946707;asciilifeform;i can see this being given to unreliable warsaw pact nations to -amplify- their tempest emanations 1083797;1427946737;decimation;simply swap the right parts... 1083798;1427946748;asciilifeform;'Although it may seem unnecessary, the data socket (marked МАШИНА II) must be connected, as otherwise the machine will not work. This is done to ensure the use of the TEMPEST feature (see below). ' << seems to imply that it was a straight pass-through 1083799;1427946754;asciilifeform;to force dumb orcs to use it 1083800;1427946762;asciilifeform;instead of the old-fashioned power supply. 1083801;1427946799;asciilifeform;clever. 1083802;1427946849;asciilifeform;http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/tempest.htm#circuit << tries to prevent differential power analysis 1083803;1427946849;assbot;PSU ... ( http://bit.ly/1al7AiE ) 1083804;1427946857;decimation;surely someone in the 'unreliable nation' would have had suspicions 1083805;1427946865;asciilifeform;so 'tempest' is mistake in terminology here 1083806;1427946868;asciilifeform;shame on'em. 1083807;1427946875;asciilifeform;(on 'cryptomuseum') 1083808;1427946919;asciilifeform;i see now that it was not a pass-through 1083809;1427946928;asciilifeform;you actually need this to retrofit constant-power 1083810;1427946987;decimation;"The value of the dummy-load resistors is choosen carefully, so that they the circuit draws the same current as the solenoids. As a result, the PSU will not only supply a constant voltage, but will also consume a constant current" < this seems dubious on production units 1083811;1427946997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87700 @ 0.00026091 = 22.8818 BTC [+] {2} 1083812;1427947005;asciilifeform;decimation: you can see the trimpots 1083813;1427947012;asciilifeform;plausible. 1083814;1427947013;asciilifeform;but, 1083815;1427947017;asciilifeform;'In some of the circuits, 2TC613 ICs are used [1]. Each of these ICs contains four transistors, They belong to one of the first generations of Russian ICs.' << another howler 1083816;1427947025;asciilifeform;that is -not- an integrated circuit in the modern sense! 1083817;1427947042;decimation;was that one of your 'tiny pcbs in a tin'? 1083818;1427947054;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023292 1083819;1427947054;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 06:16:02; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before i fall asleep, i remembered to tell, that there actually were 'integrated circuits' in ussr that were built in the way you suggest 1083820;1427947057;asciilifeform;them. 1083821;1427947091;decimation;I like the 30 mil traces 1083822;1427947118;asciilifeform;they didn't solder by machine, aha. 1083823;1427947133;decimation;plus had to drive solenoids 1083824;1427947147;asciilifeform;having a printed circuit in this machine at all was 'high tech' 1083825;1427947185;asciilifeform;incidentally, 1083826;1427947204;asciilifeform;i can hardly imagine the circuit fooling anything but the most dull power analysis device 1083827;1427947221;asciilifeform;considering that solenoid is an inductive load, and resistor is - well - resistive. 1083828;1427947233;asciilifeform;(resistor - no effect on phase) 1083829;1427947237;asciilifeform;think about it. 1083830;1427947257;decimation;heh yeah there's gonna be 'clicks' 1083831;1427947259;asciilifeform;i am inclined to believe that something is missing from the schematic. 1083832;1427947265;asciilifeform;(why? ask him not me) 1083833;1427947275;decimation;apparently there was a 'russian-only' version of the machine: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/m125_3/rus.htm 1083834;1427947275;assbot;M-125-3M ... ( http://bit.ly/1al8QlS ) 1083835;1427947285;asciilifeform;of course there was 1083836;1427947288;asciilifeform;how could there not be. 1083837;1427947494;asciilifeform;http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/img/300125/086/full.jpg << mega-l0l. this, internally, and geometrically - is almost identical to my (u.s.-made) ferroresonant stabilizator. 1083838;1427947495;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1al9C2c ) 1083839;1427947523;decimation;yeah, bigass 'autotransformer' 1083840;1427947585;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/zrmHTMR,OzgNDNH#0 << that one 1083841;1427947586;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1al9Y8V ) 1083842;1427947596;asciilifeform;not same as autotransformer 1083843;1427947608;asciilifeform;relies purely on energy in magnetic field for 'inertia' 1083844;1427947716;decimation;heh even the russian version is a slightly more advanced 'enigma' machine http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/m125_3/index.htm 1083845;1427947716;assbot;M-125-3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1alarYU ) 1083846;1427947729;asciilifeform;all the rotor machines were much alike. 1083847;1427947747;asciilifeform;interestingly, vernam (which we today call 'one time pad') coexisted with all of them 1083848;1427947759;asciilifeform;and to the extent folks used it - correctly - their crypto worked. 1083849;1427947777;asciilifeform;but 'omg11111111111111!1!!11!!11 not convenient!!' 1083850;1427947792;decimation;aye, actual humans must handle keys 1083851;1427947813;nubbins`;asciilifeform do you have libssl.so, libcrypto.so on your system? (/usr/lib64, perhaps?) 1083852;1427947838;asciilifeform;to the extent they did not use it (and swiss 'cryptoag' etc marketed rotors until late '80s!! and possibly now) - usg and its merry men had their fun with the payload. 1083853;1427947863;asciilifeform;nubbins`: sure 1083854;1427947884;nubbins`;are they symlinked to .so.1.0.0 like mine are? 1083855;1427947916;asciilifeform;nubbins`: libssl is 1083856;1427947930;nubbins`;and if you: $ openssl version 1083857;1427947943;asciilifeform;1.01j 1083858;1427947948;asciilifeform;1.0.1j 1083859;1427947949;asciilifeform;why ? 1083860;1427947969;asciilifeform;i mean, it didn't get pulled in to the static build 1083861;1427947974;asciilifeform;just as it was meant -not- to 1083862;1427947977;asciilifeform;that part works. 1083863;1427947981;nubbins`;hm k 1083864;1427947994;asciilifeform;the attempted ssl was the one included with auto.sh (release) 1083865;1427948003;asciilifeform;it - did not build. 1083866;1427948006;asciilifeform;(see log) 1083867;1427948015;*;nubbins` sees log 1083868;1427948019;nubbins`;oh ffs 1083869;1427948021;*;nubbins` sees log1 1083870;1427948230;asciilifeform;decimation: http://www.dansdata.com/gz039.htm << re: ferroresonators 1083871;1427948231;assbot;Power struggle ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzuL1B ) 1083872;1427948241;asciilifeform;http://www.dansdata.com/images/powerconditioner/lidoff1024.jpg << pretty simple. 1083873;1427948244;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzuM5M ) 1083874;1427948340;decimation;yeah it's kinda the magnetic equivalent of a bigass flywheel 1083875;1427948428;asciilifeform;aha. 1083876;1427948433;asciilifeform;more of gigantic pendulum 1083877;1427948438;asciilifeform;if we want an exact analogy 1083878;1427948439;asciilifeform;but yes. 1083879;1427948546;asciilifeform;http://www.dansdata.com/gz083.htm << unrelated but interesting re: ancient 'copy protection' 1083880;1427948547;assbot;Meet the new DRM, same as the old DRM ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzvMa6 ) 1083881;1427948565;asciilifeform;' Then, after the tape had been professionally rewound, you could rent it again, if you liked.' 1083882;1427948709;decimation;heh 1083883;1427948728;decimation;that actually sounds pretty effective, assuming the listener didn't have a recorder 1083884;1427948888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00025344 = 5.2209 BTC [-] 1083885;1427948910;decimation;la wik' seems to imply that the "system 3" punch card was the most densely packed card in common use 1083886;1427948912;decimation;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/System_3_punch_card.jpg 1083887;1427948914;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Czx0lA ) 1083888;1427948920;decimation;^could hold 64 byte 1083889;1427948963;decimation;you would still need many of those cards to hold a standard gpg key 1083890;1427948978;asciilifeform;evidently not the one featured in the rhyme; 1083891;1427949013;asciilifeform;'He died at the console, / Of hunger and thirst. / Next day he was buried, Face down, nine-edge first. / And the last bug in sight, / An ant passing by, / Saluted his tombstone, / And whispered, Nice try.' 1083892;1427949025;decimation;heh 1083893;1427949168;decimation;one of the reasons why the "PC" was such a success (as in the commodore, etc) was because many universities had taken to putting their computers behind a locked wall 1083894;1427949175;decimation;with strict controls on access 1083895;1427949233;decimation;obviously 'actual people' were not exactly thrilled with the idea of being treated like criminals while calculating 1083896;1427949255;asciilifeform;instrument which costs $maxint - of course locked. 1083897;1427949269;decimation;so there was a hunger to 'own' said machine 1083898;1427949271;asciilifeform;last i checked, i can't waltz in to my local uni and use their mass spectrometer or nmr 1083899;1427949280;asciilifeform;(i asked) 1083900;1427949280;decimation;yeah, similar idea I guess 1083901;1427949296;decimation;but it was made worse because apparently the hippies of the time took to 'attacking' the machines 1083902;1427949308;decimation;because they were seen as a symbol of 'the man' 1083903;1427949319;asciilifeform;decimation: this was not only for computer. 1083904;1427949360;asciilifeform;decimation: my first paying job was at nih. and found it odd that only select few had the clearance to see where the live animals were 1083905;1427949366;asciilifeform;i was told they were under 24/7 heavily armed guard 1083906;1427949387;asciilifeform;underground, behind a tunnel with multiple doors 1083907;1427949402;asciilifeform;but that this had not always been so, and old-timers remembered when you could keep the cages in the lab 1083908;1427949417;asciilifeform;*i found it odd 1083909;1427949449;decimation;yeah because the hippies want to 'set free' 1083910;1427949598;decimation;socialist dumbfuckery is like pollution, it ruins everything 1083911;1427949629;asciilifeform;complicated. 1083912;1427949636;asciilifeform;what was the alternative for these folks? 1083913;1427949640;asciilifeform;i mean, it sounds odd, to ask 1083914;1427949652;decimation;for who, the 'pro-animal' hippie? 1083915;1427949667;asciilifeform;but what -could- they have been doing, that was equally entertaining as setting rabid chimps free ? 1083916;1427949677;decimation;ah. indeed. 1083917;1427949683;asciilifeform;it was yet another generation asked to eat stale doughnuts 1083918;1427949689;asciilifeform;to borrow mr mold's expression 1083919;1427949697;asciilifeform;so they went apeshit when offered chances. 1083920;1427949704;asciilifeform;because still had balls. 1083921;1427949758;asciilifeform;now, for the man who likes physics, maths, etc - it was golden age. 1083922;1427949763;asciilifeform;for instance! 1083923;1427949781;asciilifeform;contrary to popular image of rms, he was - at the time - the very example of a 'straight lace square' 1083924;1427949801;asciilifeform;playing with the 'big iron' at usg expense. 1083925;1427949814;asciilifeform;clean-shaven, even, iirc. 1083926;1427949833;decimation;yeah, the 60's were definitely a golden age of the hard sciences in the us 1083927;1427949843;decimation;many low-hanging fruits were picked 1083928;1427949854;asciilifeform;it is a mistake, to call them low hanging 1083929;1427949864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213700 @ 0.00024903 = 53.2177 BTC [-] {4} 1083930;1427949864;asciilifeform;they could be put on the tree today and would stay unpicked. 1083931;1427949880;decimation;perhaps. it's hard not to see things taught to undergrads as 'not obvious' 1083932;1427949884;decimation;but it's true that they weren't 1083933;1427950596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00025344 = 4.8914 BTC [+] 1083934;1427950646;decimation;;;ticker 1083935;1427950648;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.68, Best ask: 246.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 246.75, 24 hour volume: 22636.38523189, 24 hour low: 239.21, 24 hour high: 248.71, 24 hour vwap: None 1083936;1427952824;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1083937;1427952828;gribble;Current Blocks: 350334 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 449 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 21 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49676319200.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.33331 1083938;1427953097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226900 @ 0.00026234 = 59.5249 BTC [+] {4} 1083939;1427953646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194848 @ 0.00026405 = 51.4496 BTC [+] 1083940;1427953895;BingoBoingo;!up bagehot 1083941;1427954043;bagehot;Hey, thanks for the up 1083942;1427954621;bagehot;Why do folks here consider bitcoins tradeable for other goods? 1083943;1427954622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 261100 @ 0.00025801 = 67.3664 BTC [-] {2} 1083944;1427956147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192161 @ 0.00026396 = 50.7228 BTC [+] {3} 1083945;1427956574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87059 @ 0.00025743 = 22.4116 BTC [-] 1083946;1427956649;[]bot;Bet placed: 3.84713728 BTC for No on "Bitcoin above MtGox $266 high 2 years on" http://bitbet.us/bet/1126/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 56(Y):44(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.22859233 BTC. Current weight: 16,339. 1083947;1427957667;BingoBoingo;;;later tell bagehot Do you know any better money? 1083948;1427957667;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1083949;1427957760;BingoBoingo;Axe time is starting awfully slow, I was expecting more... fluids 1083950;1427958038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85750 @ 0.0002513 = 21.549 BTC [-] 1083951;1427958709;BingoBoingo;!up hktud0 1083952;1427958892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109200 @ 0.0002513 = 27.442 BTC [-] 1083953;1427959136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65950 @ 0.0002513 = 16.5732 BTC [-] 1083954;1427959380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67443 @ 0.00025318 = 17.0752 BTC [+] 1083955;1427960035;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 1083956;1427960036;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.89, Best ask: 245.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 245.78, 24 hour volume: 22946.51481821, 24 hour low: 239.21, 24 hour high: 248.71, 24 hour vwap: None 1083957;1427960051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 246950 @ 0.00024837 = 61.335 BTC [-] {4} 1083958;1427960075;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ < updated, because i can't sleep now, because of this stroke of brilliance. 1083959;1427960076;assbot;The definitive sovereign pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6L2Qg ) 1083960;1427960082;mircea_popescu;really the similarities are many and varied. 1083961;1427960263;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083737 < nsa. 1083962;1427960263;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 03:26:39; decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders what the openssl authors use as a 'baseline os' 1083963;1427960270;mircea_popescu;it's easy when you're on stupid team. 1083964;1427960277;mircea_popescu;your shit doesn't have to actually work. 1083965;1427960351;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083756 << yeah your hole was, to my grief, readily reproduced. 1083966;1427960351;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 03:29:10; asciilifeform: ok so nubbins` has what i have. 1083967;1427960374;mircea_popescu;once i was done screaming so people could ask questions. 1083968;1427960424;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083766 << this option is not unlike proving you didn't fuck a goat by proving you impregnated it. 1083969;1427960424;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 03:34:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. << third option: make new apparatus, prove idempotence. 1083970;1427960444;mircea_popescu;in that "proof of idempotence" has generally been orders of magnitude more successful at proving the proving party has no idea what proving means, 1083971;1427960450;mircea_popescu;rather than the intended result. 1083972;1427960553;mircea_popescu;also speaking of " dns providers" : http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/nss-mdns/ 1083973;1427960554;assbot;nss-mdns 0.10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6LQos ) 1083974;1427960573;mircea_popescu;"Please note that due to security reasons from this release on the minimal mDNS stack included in nss-mdns (dubbed "legacy") is no longer built by default. Thus, nss-mdns will not work unless Avahi is running!" 1083975;1427960735;mircea_popescu;also https://www.openhub.net/accounts/mezcalero if anyone's actually that curious. 1083976;1427960736;assbot;Lennart Poettering : Lennart Poettering - Open Hub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6M6nd ) 1083977;1427960998;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude how did you dig up the fialka thing. 1083978;1427962094;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.10372615 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.08572615 BTC. Current weight: 95,148. 1083979;1427962371;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.8656096 BTC. Current weight: 74,132. 1083980;1427962867;mircea_popescu;http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/img/300125/019/full.jpg gotta love that crazy shit. 1083981;1427962868;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOkKAG ) 1083982;1427963285;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and speaking of it : http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/img/Tempest.png doesn't look like the exceptionally advanced thing the article promised. seems to me the solenoid-driven switching would create so much echo as to make it readily measurable. 1083983;1427963286;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOlIwW ) 1083984;1427963302;mircea_popescu;i suppose "works according to what we know how to do" is the one standard of tradecraft. 1083985;1427963348;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083796 << exactly. 1083986;1427963348;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 03:51:47; asciilifeform: i can see this being given to unreliable warsaw pact nations to -amplify- their tempest emanations 1083987;1427963441;BingoBoingo;!up asteric 1083988;1427963458;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083827 i guess i should just read logs lol 1083989;1427963458;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 04:00:21; asciilifeform: considering that solenoid is an inductive load, and resistor is - well - resistive. 1083990;1427963480;mircea_popescu;why the fuck not put in there... some "carefully chosen" solenoids of the right fucking charge. 1083991;1427963490;mircea_popescu;how hard is it to reproduce a coil of wire with... another coil of wire! 1083992;1427963525;*;BingoBoingo did not expect axe time to offer this much lead to work the whetstone before sword time 1083993;1427963619;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083849 << dude what the fuck is so very convenient about all the rotor bs i dunno. 1083994;1427963619;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 04:09:37; asciilifeform: but 'omg11111111111111!1!!11!!11 not convenient!!' 1083995;1427964443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78350 @ 0.00024829 = 19.4535 BTC [-] 1083996;1427964961;mircea_popescu;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060558/ << hory sheit!! 1083997;1427964963;assbot;Jesse James Meets Frankenstein's Daughter (1966) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOpu9w ) 1083998;1427964992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233444 @ 0.00024885 = 58.0925 BTC [+] {2} 1083999;1427965548;mircea_popescu;"To view a downloaded movie, you double-click it. And then you're watching it. Stick a recent commercial DVD into your player, though, and you'll probably have to sit through lengthy, un-skippable warnings about how dastardly is the piracy in which you did not just engage." 1084000;1427965562;mircea_popescu;"if kids continue to not show up for class, the class will continue to get detention!" 1084001;1427966334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127646 @ 0.00025424 = 32.4527 BTC [+] {2} 1084002;1427966339;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083930 << this seems exceedingly likely, especially with stuff like the "oh open source is more secure because million eyes" million examples fresh in memory. 1084003;1427966339;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 04:44:24; asciilifeform: they could be put on the tree today and would stay unpicked. 1084004;1427966395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50198 @ 0.00025644 = 12.8728 BTC [+] 1084005;1427966409;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you not getting enough fluid ? :D 1084006;1427967127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204700 @ 0.00024694 = 50.5486 BTC [-] {2} 1084007;1427967585;[]bot;Bet placed: 6.10372615 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 8(Y):92(N) by weight. Total bet: 18.96933575 BTC. Current weight: 74,045. 1084008;1427968286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47665 @ 0.00025118 = 11.9725 BTC [+] 1084009;1427969140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180450 @ 0.00024481 = 44.176 BTC [-] {2} 1084010;1427969445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189800 @ 0.00024445 = 46.3966 BTC [-] {2} 1084011;1427969934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00025118 = 13.6014 BTC [+] 1084012;1427970543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72887 @ 0.00025519 = 18.6 BTC [+] {2} 1084013;1427970909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250947 @ 0.00024327 = 61.0479 BTC [-] {4} 1084014;1427970970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46753 @ 0.00024238 = 11.332 BTC [-] 1084015;1427973410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46414 @ 0.00024386 = 11.3185 BTC [+] 1084016;1427973538;nubbins`;morn 1084017;1427973838;Apocalyptic;!up neverending 1084018;1427973966;nubbins`;today's auction-end day :o 1084019;1427974159;nubbins`;http://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahjeong/2015/04/01/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-unsealed-silk-road-docket/ 1084020;1427974161;assbot;What You Need to Know About the Unsealed Silk Road Docket - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1CAOSN1 ) 1084021;1427974172;nubbins`;In April 2014, BitStamp representatives messaged Force, asking him why he was accessing his account through Tor. He responded through the support ticket: “I utilize TOR for privacy. Don’t particularly want NSA looking over my shoulder :)” 1084022;1427974178;nubbins`;BitStamp management found this message to be, well, incredibly weird. 1084023;1427974193;nubbins`;yep. INCREDIBLY WEIRD, this. a guy using tor. 1084024;1427974730;nubbins`;!up menahem 1084025;1427974751;nubbins`;so i get woken up 3:30am last night by the guy next door POUNDING on the wall 1084026;1427974782;nubbins`;after a few minutes of this, my doorbell rings, so i go grab a chunk of wood to cave the guy's face in with 1084027;1427974794;nubbins`;and it's my piece of shit roommate who lost his keys 1084028;1427974822;nubbins`;because, y'know, if you lost your keys three days ago, you should come home drunk to a locked house at 3:30am 1084029;1427974825;nubbins`;with no plan 1084030;1427974936;Adlai;sounds like his plan was "pick a time when nubbins`'s probability density is most concentrated within the home" 1084031;1427974980;nubbins`;or, since i am generally always home, pick a time when any normal person is precisely in the middle of a night's rest 1084032;1427975032;*;nubbins` can't wait to reduce the head count in here 1084033;1427975410;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dead-dolphin-found-on-roadside-in-bay-roberts-1.3018170 1084034;1427975412;assbot;Dead dolphin found on roadside in Bay Roberts - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xD1Ivh ) 1084035;1427975543;nubbins`;obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au1AN_MC6Rg 1084036;1427975543;assbot;Dolphin found on public beach in Newfoundland - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xD2eco ) 1084037;1427975576;Adlai;breaking news: not all interspecies interactions are beneficial for both parties, or even either! 1084038;1427976104;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nypd-detective-caught-on-video-berating-uber-driver-reassigned-1.3018889 1084039;1427976106;assbot;NYPD detective caught on video berating Uber driver reassigned - World - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xD4BMt ) 1084040;1427976120;nubbins`;hahaha man i hate cops. 1084041;1427976277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130550 @ 0.00024349 = 31.7876 BTC [-] 1084042;1427976328;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i guess we're technically two-and-a-half-dogland: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/labradoodle-marketing-fetches-2-500-puppy-price-1.3018419 1084043;1427976329;assbot;Labradoodle marketing fetches $2,500 puppy price - Calgary - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xD5BAe ) 1084044;1427977375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 197550 @ 0.00024212 = 47.8308 BTC [-] {3} 1084045;1427977741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82450 @ 0.00024379 = 20.1005 BTC [+] {2} 1084046;1427978754;funkenstein_;mornin' nubbins 1084047;1427978760;funkenstein_;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWGzrhKKi0 1084048;1427978761;assbot;Immortal Technique - Live From New York Footage - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTqPGH ) 1084049;1427979205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265900 @ 0.00024162 = 64.2468 BTC [-] {3} 1084050;1427979299;funkenstein_;!up diana_coman 1084051;1427979589;danielpbarron;height=309336 vs height=219658 1084052;1427979721;funkenstein_;danielpbarron, what are the height numbers? 1084053;1427979734;funkenstein_;!up smidge 1084054;1427980596;mike_c;funkenstein_: blockchain sync progress on a SSD vs. 5400 rpm platters. 1084055;1427980632;funkenstein_;mike_c, thank you 1084056;1427981688;lobbes;I posted obamaz magic decree to my facebook. Quite expectedly, no one cares. 1084057;1427981690;lobbes;I feel the cynicism growing inside me 1084058;1427982916;Chillum;obama is magical? I knew it1 1084059;1427982918;Chillum;! 1084060;1427982950;funkenstein_;muggle controlled by death eaters, news at 11 1084061;1427983126;punkman;http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19-story.html 1084062;1427983128;assbot;Obama the 'Magic Negro' - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2pjel ) 1084063;1427983230;nubbins`;<+lobbes> I posted obamaz magic decree to my facebook. Quite expectedly, no one cares. <<< no one, including you 1084064;1427983239;Chillum;some sociologists are magical twits 1084065;1427983250;nubbins`;golly gee, you shared a whole link on bookface? 1084066;1427983253;nubbins`;YOU ANARCHIST 1084067;1427983280;lobbes;yes yes, I deserve that 1084068;1427983305;nubbins`;put another way: maybe all your bookface friends care just as much as you do 1084069;1427983311;nubbins`;i.e. they care enough to share a link 1084070;1427983322;nubbins`;but you did it first, so "*shrug* w/e" 1084071;1427983333;lobbes;hmm I see what you mean 1084072;1427983336;nubbins`;caring != sharing. 1084073;1427983340;lobbes;no real action 1084074;1427983351;nubbins`;not even fake action. 1084075;1427983352;lobbes;just 'hey, "be aware"' 1084076;1427983358;nubbins`;the slightest twitch of a finger. 1084077;1427983374;nubbins`;yes, and awareness has done wonders so far 8) 1084078;1427983427;lobbes;so are the only real options: 1) gtfo 2) wait for the eventual hanging? 1084079;1427983475;nubbins`;no, but i'll leave the other options for you to figure out 1084080;1427983487;nubbins`;some things you can't be shown, neh? 1084081;1427983513;lobbes;I'd like to believe if I just focus on myself and amass enough wealth I can weasel my way through time 1084082;1427983546;lobbes;some things you can't be shown, neh? << agreed. Trial by fire, eh? 1084083;1427983561;nubbins`;well, i'd like to believe this is all an illusion and i'll eventually wake up, my 16-year-old self, sweating through the mattress in a fever dream 1084084;1427983566;nubbins`;wait, that would be horrible 1084085;1427984146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37376 @ 0.0002408 = 9.0001 BTC [-] 1084086;1427984749;nubbins`;asciilifeform mod6 ben_vulpes and others: on a side note, auto.sh doesn't put the openssl headers in /ourlibs/ 1084087;1427984846;nubbins`;build failed on gentoo using gcc-4.4.7: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qhb7ZT3x 1084088;1427984847;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2udYC ) 1084089;1427984878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104314 @ 0.0002408 = 25.1188 BTC [-] 1084090;1427985150;nubbins`;if i manually move the headers over, back to uint32_t errors: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=taiiWaYc 1084091;1427985151;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2v4bK ) 1084092;1427985220;nubbins`;with both of alf's patches applied: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7qRa7CnL 1084093;1427985221;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2vijl ) 1084094;1427985244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139750 @ 0.00024073 = 33.642 BTC [-] {3} 1084095;1427985427;nubbins`;with "-std=c++03" from portatronic patch removed: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=50XwKjsy (precisely the same as before patching) 1084096;1427985428;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2vXkG ) 1084097;1427985822;funkenstein_;power rangers added more int types later like arith_uint256 1084098;1427985840;funkenstein_;but 10.0.1 release no longer has that class 1084099;1427985850;nubbins`;after renaming all uint32_t to boost::uint32_t: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=D7XGyGna 1084100;1427985851;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IUiEhQ ) 1084101;1427985854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180800 @ 0.00024325 = 43.9796 BTC [+] {3} 1084102;1427985880;nubbins`;after renaming all int32_t to boost::int32_t: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A2M3kkZL 1084103;1427985881;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IUiOpD ) 1084104;1427985903;nubbins`;"canot find -lssl, -lcrypto" 1084105;1427985903;funkenstein_;*0.10.1 1084106;1427985908;nubbins`;*cannot 1084107;1427986062;funkenstein_;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083447 <-- looks like you got here 1084108;1427986062;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 01:18:00; decimation: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2725255/create-statically-linked-binary-that-uses-getaddrinfo in that "proof of idempotence" has generally been orders of magnitude more successful at proving the proving party has no idea what proving means << didn't say it would be easy. or that the existing 'state of the art' is any kind of guide. 1084163;1427987135;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... dude what the fuck is so very convenient about all the rotor bs i dunno << short keys 1084164;1427987138;nubbins`;ugh i need lunch 1084165;1427987168;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: does that remind you of arguments in favour of any modern cryptosystem? how about ecdsa, aha 1084166;1427987205;asciilifeform;What You Need to Know About the Unsealed Silk Road Docket << i do so hate these 'what you need to know' titles. implication is that no serious person would need to know anything else 1084167;1427987236;asciilifeform;and -of course- it proclaims 'this malefactor was caught thanks to our glorious know-your-customer crapolade!' 1084168;1427987347;asciilifeform; because, y'know, if you lost your keys three days ago, you should come home drunk to a locked house at 3:30am ..with no plan << http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-04-2015#1083000 >> what do you suppose i was talking about. 1084169;1427987347;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 22:18:14; ascii_field: nubbins`: but even something like living in a dwelling without the company of strangers is a titanically expensive luxury in most of the world 1084170;1427987362;nubbins`;HAHAHA 1084171;1427987369;nubbins`;hey, pothing's nerfect. 1084172;1427987396;nubbins`;anyway i gave said idiot the boot 1084173;1427987401;nubbins`;he's got til the 30th 1084174;1427987426;asciilifeform; with "-std=c++03" from portatronic patch removed << might not actually make a difference 1084175;1427987463;asciilifeform; "canot find -lssl, -lcrypto" << note! it finds the system's headers, like a moron, and builds with them, then notices no local ssl was built (it wasn't) 1084176;1427987523;asciilifeform;nubbins`: he's got til the 30th << so you didn't need the money? or will replace him with a fresh idiot ? 1084177;1427987525;nubbins`;i think the openssl build has some problems 1084178;1427987544;nubbins`;asciilifeform his bedroom is being turned into a paper-printing studio 1084179;1427987551;asciilifeform;neato. 1084180;1427987552;nubbins`;pink eye will make up the rent shortfall 1084181;1427987554;nubbins`;yeah :D 1084182;1427987584;asciilifeform;'Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking' << wtf are we even using getaddrinfo for. 1084183;1427987714;asciilifeform;objdump -t src/obj/nogui/*.o | grep getaddrinfo 1084184;1427987714;asciilifeform;0000000000000000 *UND* 0000000000000000 getaddrinfo 1084185;1427987717;asciilifeform;it's in there all right 1084186;1427987720;asciilifeform;motherfuckers. 1084187;1427987741;nubbins`; incidentally i tried a non-static build of openssl, auto.sh barfs w/ same error 1084188;1427987772;asciilifeform;nubbins`: which error 1084189;1427987779;nubbins`;cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto 1084190;1427987794;asciilifeform;because it was given the local ssl as a search path, yes 1084191;1427987797;asciilifeform;of course couldn't find. 1084192;1427987801;asciilifeform;no surprise here 1084193;1427987845;asciilifeform;ahahahaha guess what 1084194;1427987855;asciilifeform;my dns seed snip patch never made it in the realease, did it 1084195;1427987873;nubbins`;nope 1084196;1427987876;asciilifeform;quite possibly this is where the getaddrinfo crap is from! 1084197;1427987879;nubbins`;oh ha is that what's using it! 1084198;1427988064;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/04/ulbricht-227-228.pdf << the unsealed material 1084199;1427988069;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2EjZM ) 1084200;1427988129;asciilifeform;i just can't get over the lulziness of usg proclaiming that stealing/extorting from an outlaw constitutes 'theft of government property' 1084201;1427988294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138238 @ 0.0002428 = 33.5642 BTC [-] {2} 1084202;1427988354;asciilifeform;mats: http://syssec.rub.de/media/emma/veroeffentlichungen/2015/03/28/COOP-Oakland15.pdf << aha. recommended reading for all, quite pertinent. 1084203;1427988355;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BRwE6s ) 1084204;1427988443;nubbins`;wow, the latest DDOS attack against the forum seems to have reinstated the ability to change/add avatars 1084205;1427988444;nubbins`;;p 1084206;1427988512;mats;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32157342 1084207;1427988513;assbot;Kenya Garissa students taken hostage by al-Shabab - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2FGYh ) 1084208;1427988544;mats;funkenstein_: read the extract 1084209;1427988767;*;nubbins` takes this opportunity to make his avatar look meaner 1084210;1427988821;mats;http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2015/04/truecrypt-report.html 1084211;1427988822;assbot;A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Truecrypt report ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2GLiM ) 1084212;1427988843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 211200 @ 0.00024533 = 51.8137 BTC [+] {2} 1084213;1427989013;danielpbarron;A problem in Truecrypt is that in some extremely rare circumstances, the Crypto API can fail to properly initialize. When this happens, Truecrypt should barf and catch fire. Instead it silently accepts this failure and continues to generate keys. 1084214;1427989042;nubbins`;ha 1084215;1427989043;mats;For example: the most significant issue in the Truecrypt report is a finding related to the Windows version of Truecrypt's random number generator (RNG), which is responsible for generating the keys that encrypt Truecrypt volumes. 1084216;1427989068;ben_vulpes; [14:57] anyway, that's the deal. we need something that we can work with; one supported environment, blessed by alf. << asciilifeform, what's the One True Build Target for La Serenissima? 1084217;1427989068;nubbins`;more like Falsecrypt 1084218;1427989085;nubbins`;gentoo on amd64, but the shit don't work 1084219;1427989124;ben_vulpes;if it doesn't work how is it a candidate now? 1084220;1427989160;nubbins`;whatcha wanna use, windows? 1084221;1427989209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210462 @ 0.00023945 = 50.3951 BTC [-] {2} 1084222;1427989228;nubbins`;gentoo is ostensibly used by alf because it's the sanest. the fact that bitcoind doesn't compile on it doesn't necessarily mean that the OS is the problem, nor does it mean a turd should be adopted as the OTBT 1084223;1427989252;nubbins`;but... 1084224;1427989255;nubbins`;\o/ 1084225;1427989267;nubbins`;i don't know nearly enough about gcc to be of much further use atm 1084226;1427989298;*;nubbins` is good at figuring things out but is currently in position of "doesn't know what questions to ask" 1084227;1427989308;ben_vulpes;tell me about it. 1084228;1427989381;ben_vulpes;anyways, we need a build target. one. not the accidental build target of debian 6 that fell out of my archaeology project. 1084229;1427989386;ben_vulpes;talk about unexamined assumptions... 1084230;1427989652;jurov;ubuntu!!! 1084231;1427989699;jurov;(context: i was hired to patch android system. had to create nigbuntu lxc container for its monstrous build system) 1084232;1427989795;ben_vulpes;oh yeah. i did a continuous integration thinger for an android project recently. 1084233;1427989828;ben_vulpes;('here, let me duct tape a bunch of libs together so you get emails when your derps break the cpp compiled into the android code') 1084234;1427989842;ben_vulpes;surely my finest work 1084235;1427990092;nubbins`;heh 1084236;1427990114;nubbins`;well, alf's not gonna go for anything w/ systemd 1084237;1427990134;nubbins`;what *has* 0.5.3.1 worked on so far? debian, darwin, that it? 1084238;1427990221;thestringpuller;systemd is the best thing ever 1084239;1427990222;thestringpuller;so fast 1084240;1427990228;thestringpuller;much secure 1084241;1427990230;nubbins`;ah get out 1084242;1427990286;thestringpuller;rich boy sellin' coin broke niggaz wanna jack this just bought a debian "THROW SOME SYSTEMD's on dat bitch" 1084243;1427990303;thestringpuller;amirite? 1084244;1427990323;ben_vulpes;out, you 1084245;1427990329;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: are you coming to con3? 1084246;1427990385;thestringpuller;no. i'm going to have to cancel for family reasons related to finance 1084247;1427990399;thestringpuller;haven't been able to contact cazalla 1084248;1427990429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136300 @ 0.00023901 = 32.5771 BTC [-] {2} 1084249;1427990434;thestringpuller;"It's all fun and games until someone jokes about systemd" lol 1084250;1427990492;mod6;<+nubbins`> what *has* 0.5.3.1 worked on so far? debian, darwin, that it? << what's blowing my mind is why i was able to build just fine on aws Gentoo AMI. Unless it was packed full of stuff in there that we don't want to begin with. Which must be the case. 1084251;1427990628;mod6;here's the build log: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-x86_32-bitcoind-static.txt 1084252;1427990629;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2NE3B ) 1084253;1427990634;nubbins`;i know nothing about aws, can you pull an image of that machine down locally? 1084254;1427990661;nubbins`;mod6 ah 32bit 1084255;1427990670;nubbins`;tried 64? 1084256;1427990684;*;nubbins` has a suspicion that this is somehow related to 32bit vs 64bit libs 1084257;1427990708;mod6;yeah, I believe I did. But I can't find a build log for it. 1084258;1427990722;asciilifeform; what's the One True Build Target for La Serenissima? << why asking -me-, l0l 1084259;1427990730;asciilifeform;what if i said 'posix' 1084260;1427990734;mod6;I also seem to recall, and maybe I should dig for it, someone else built for gentoo before anyone was discussing 32bit. 1084261;1427990746;mod6;like... say.. 3-4 weeks ago when we were testing stuff. 1084262;1427990762;nubbins`;asciilifeform then i'd mention again that i built it on POSIX-compliant os 1084263;1427990765;asciilifeform;general rule is that i should be able to at least obtain the build target using -the compilers i presently have- and a set of sourceballs. 1084264;1427990769;nubbins`;that happens to be made by crapple 1084265;1427990774;asciilifeform;that is, i should not have to download any binaries. 1084266;1427990788;asciilifeform;nor should nubbins`, or ben_vulpes, or the rest. 1084267;1427990809;asciilifeform; well, alf's not gonna go for anything w/ systemd << damn right 1084268;1427990814;nubbins`;one of the solutions floated for the "no lssl, lcrypto" thing was to download precompiled bins 1084269;1427990815;nubbins`;i lel'd 1084270;1427990864;mod6;asciilifeform: can you make a repeatable build environment for The Foundation to use going forward? Something put together by you, blessed by you, so we're all building/testing/using something that "fits in head"? 1084271;1427990870;nubbins`;"can't untie the knot in your laces? cut em off and apply glue-backed velcro" 1084272;1427990884;asciilifeform;mod6: i suggested this some time near day 1 if anyone recalls 1084273;1427990892;nubbins`;yeah, see !s qemu 1084274;1427990903;asciilifeform;but do folks really want to pass a multigig bag of shit around ? 1084275;1427990914;nubbins`;mod6 in fairness my gentoo was installed using the official docs, and it's reacting precisely the same as alf's 1084276;1427990920;asciilifeform;^^ 1084277;1427990923;mod6;What I was hoping for is maybe a build script. Would that be muti-gig? 1084278;1427990939;nubbins`;"build script" is sorta the install guide :P 1084279;1427990943;asciilifeform;mod6: build script is what we have now 1084280;1427990946;asciilifeform;and see the result. 1084281;1427990957;asciilifeform;no, it would have to be a disk image for an emulated machine 1084282;1427990964;asciilifeform;to be 100% replicable across time and space 1084283;1427990973;asciilifeform;regardless of whether you have a 'pc' or 'elbrus' 1084284;1427990976;nubbins`;mod6 ^ 1084285;1427990986;asciilifeform;or hypertrophied nintendo 1084286;1427990987;mod6;Ok, so say that you have installed via offical docs, bla bla bla. Ok, then our release doesn't work. But we need to fix defects, and I refuse to have this happen going forward. So we need something repeatable. 1084287;1427990994;*;nubbins` has a virtualbox .VDI with gentoo installed 1084288;1427991022;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i'd rather have something that isn't as dependent on pc 1084289;1427991032;asciilifeform;virtualization of pc arch only works on pc arch. 1084290;1427991060;nubbins`;yeah 1084291;1427991071;nubbins`;well. 1084292;1427991076;asciilifeform;try to understand why i am hesitant to put out a binary image for folks to run 1084293;1427991084;mod6;i don't want a binary. 1084294;1427991115;mod6;i want a script that will build all of the "accepted"/"blessed" versions of the things it needs; gcc, etc, etc, etc. 1084295;1427991131;mod6;we have to get to some sort of common ground here. 1084296;1427991151;asciilifeform;mod6: say i publish a recipe for constructing said image (runs on, e.g., qemu-system-mipsel). and then you do it, and we learn that your disk image differs from mine which differs from nubbins` which differs from mircea_popescu's etc 1084297;1427991154;asciilifeform;what then. 1084298;1427991171;asciilifeform;mod6: i want a script that will build all of the "accepted"/"blessed" versions << notice that this is where we were with bitcoind ? 1084299;1427991196;asciilifeform;let's rephrase a bit 1084300;1427991213;mod6;ok. im not sure if we have a way forward on this project. or if there is, I don't know what it is. 1084301;1427991225;asciilifeform;the only -canonical- parent of a given build on my box is my particular hardware plus my particular disk contents 1084302;1427991261;asciilifeform;given that i do not especially feel like publishing the entire contents of my disk, nor could you replicate my machine easily (most of the components are no longer produced) - the next best thing is to somehow create an equivalent 1084303;1427991276;asciilifeform;with, yes, maximally detailed instructions made publi 1084304;1427991276;asciilifeform;c 1084305;1427991286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167100 @ 0.00023779 = 39.7347 BTC [-] {2} 1084306;1427991286;asciilifeform;the other non-negotiable requirement is that it be -small- 1084307;1427991292;jurov;can't be some supported-till-2020 distro used for now? gentoo is good, but moving target 1084308;1427991294;asciilifeform;because we -would- have to eventually audit the binaries. 1084309;1427991304;asciilifeform;jurov: 'supported' means what ? 1084310;1427991369;nubbins`;before we dig too deep, is it fair to say that qemu is worth using for hosting dev environment? 1084311;1427991383;nubbins`;leaving aside the question of OS for now 1084312;1427991385;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i have used it for dev work for many years. 1084313;1427991388;nubbins`;ok 1084314;1427991390;asciilifeform;it is a simple enough beast 1084315;1427991401;nubbins`;so maybe we can start there 1084316;1427991430;asciilifeform;there -are- even simpler emulators 1084317;1427991437;asciilifeform;like gxemul 1084318;1427991438;nubbins`;what's the simplest we could get away with? 1084319;1427991448;asciilifeform;these do not focus on any -physical- machine that existed in life 1084320;1427991454;asciilifeform;but a 'textbook' mips plus bitmap graphics 1084321;1427991464;mats;http://hmarco.org/bugs/AMD-Bulldozer-linux-ASLR-weakness-reducing-mmaped-files-by-eight.html 1084322;1427991464;assbot;AMD Bulldozer Linux ASLR weakness: Reducing entropy by 87.5% ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6vG8d ) 1084323;1427991470;asciilifeform;i use gxemul in cardano work 1084324;1427991474;mod6;i dont want to rely on an emulator if possible. i'd like to have: a URL to an ISO of gentoo that's "acceptable", a script that pulls down tar balls of required tools and builds them 1084325;1427991480;jurov;mhm...how do you ensure you'll hav exact versions of stuff once gentoo moves on? 1084326;1427991488;asciilifeform;mod6: again, iso for what box 1084327;1427991498;mod6;x86_64 1084328;1427991504;nubbins`;uh does gxemul emulate x86? 1084329;1427991509;asciilifeform;if you have physical hardware, you do not control all of the variables 1084330;1427991520;asciilifeform; uh does gxemul emulate x86? << very much not! 1084331;1427991524;nubbins`;:D 1084332;1427991530;asciilifeform;only a textbook 'ideal' mips cpu that never existed 1084333;1427991535;asciilifeform;but we're cross-compiling anyway 1084334;1427991538;nubbins`;right 1084335;1427991540;asciilifeform;(gcc doesn't care what it runs on) 1084336;1427991547;asciilifeform;all compilation is cross-compilation, really 1084337;1427991552;mod6;ok so we're stuck with using an emulator only. 1084338;1427991561;nubbins`;not stuck 1084339;1427991576;asciilifeform;not stuck. just gives a golden reference 1084340;1427991580;mod6;how does one then build on an emulator then run it on their desktop or vps or w/e? 1084341;1427991581;nubbins`;i wouldn't ascribe "stuck" to having clone-able metal available 1084342;1427991584;asciilifeform;you can still take the code and build elsewhere - if you know how 1084343;1427991596;asciilifeform;mod6: cross compile 1084344;1427991601;asciilifeform;like we now do for 'pogo' 1084345;1427991626;nubbins`;i fear this'll add complexity from the start because you won't know if the cross-compile is failing because it's a cross-compile or because the code's borked 1084346;1427991649;asciilifeform;if the cross-compile is failing because it's a cross-compile << cross-compile is the gold standard for correctness 1084347;1427991657;asciilifeform;why? -- because you know it cannot be using the system's libs 1084348;1427991661;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit 1084349;1427991664;nubbins`;ah, this is correct 1084350;1427991677;asciilifeform;does not make the code smarter, no 1084351;1427991680;nubbins`;cross-compile failing would probably be a canary 1084352;1427991694;asciilifeform;but eliminates several holes-through-which-the-night-walks-in 1084353;1427991708;nubbins`;other pros/cons for qemu vx gxemul? 1084354;1427991716;nubbins`;might as well get em all laid out now 1084355;1427991731;asciilifeform;http://gxemul.sourceforge.net 1084356;1427991732;assbot;GXemul ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6wdHc ) 1084357;1427991769;asciilifeform;it has simplified hardware, not copied from any physical machine sold. quite like many similar emulators used in schools 1084358;1427991783;asciilifeform;and mips is a very simple and well-defined cpu arch. 1084359;1427991801;asciilifeform;qemu on the other hand emulates many physical machines 1084360;1427991807;asciilifeform;including i386 and x86_64 1084361;1427991813;asciilifeform;which you can physically get. 1084362;1427991818;asciilifeform;but is a more complex beast 1084363;1427991844;asciilifeform;the third choice, included for completeness, is that we do none of this 1084364;1427991852;asciilifeform;and carry on with our old approach. 1084365;1427991869;asciilifeform;of trying to get to the bottom of why the thing built for some folks 1084366;1427991916;nubbins`;aha 1084367;1427991995;nubbins`;welp 1084368;1427992009;nubbins`;based on this, i think qemu is the third choice 1084369;1427992022;asciilifeform;aha lol 1084370;1427992034;asciilifeform;fourth then. 1084371;1427992073;nubbins`;okay, so. 1084372;1427992080;nubbins`;if anyone reading feels like being tasked 1084373;1427992128;nubbins`;do a run-through (or 10) of getting gxemul set up, and make a guide 1084374;1427992141;nubbins`;i'm assuming the built environments can be swapped around from person to person? 1084375;1427992168;asciilifeform;nubbins`: yes, that's the whole point. 1084376;1427992180;nubbins`;ok 1084377;1427992195;*;nubbins` asks "sanity check" questions more often than most 1084378;1427992196;asciilifeform;38108c7e4f1332bf80046a63e4a7c5e0fbce7f83a62fdeaa4518ef02947d7de83aac20b0307d286b7eb5d9c721b8400d449d4f244b2bc9358a2502fa21f56b73 /usr/portage/distfiles/gxemul-0.6.0.tar.gz 1084379;1427992200;asciilifeform;^ my snapshot 1084380;1427992210;asciilifeform;dated feb. 14 2010 1084381;1427992232;nubbins`;current stable is only 0.6.0.1 1084382;1427992276;nubbins`;welp 1084383;1427992297;nubbins`;my path forward is prolly gonna be (a)gxemul (b) gentoo on same (c) 0.5.3.1 on same 1084384;1427992320;nubbins`;i do feel that we'll run into precisely the same issues as we're having with our current gentoo installs 1084385;1427992341;asciilifeform;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/11V97ED 1084386;1427992342;assbot;dpaste: 11V97ED: gxemul ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6xMVL ) 1084387;1427992349;nubbins`;but hey. the plural of anecdote is proof, yes? 1084388;1427992356;asciilifeform;deedbot...? 1084389;1427992370;nubbins`;!up deedbot- 1084390;1427992378;jurov;will it be able to run or even debug bitcoind? 1084391;1427992390;asciilifeform;nubbins`: not gentoo for the (so far, hypothetical) emulated machine 1084392;1427992392;asciilifeform;buildroot 1084393;1427992400;nubbins`;o, rite 1084394;1427992401;jurov;otherwise no one will use that for development 1084395;1427992402;asciilifeform;we don't need to upgrade it ever 1084396;1427992405;asciilifeform;or add packages 1084397;1427992419;asciilifeform;jurov: clearly this is part of the spec, it must build for a) self b) other archs 1084398;1427992423;asciilifeform;or cannot be used. 1084399;1427992437;asciilifeform;i am also open to using a bsd of one kind or another 1084400;1427992442;jurov;building and usefully running are two disticnt things 1084401;1427992461;nubbins`;BingoBoingo messed w/ 0.5.3.1 on bsd? 1084402;1427992476;nubbins`;i'll be afk-ish, one last color to lay down on these business cards 1084403;1427992479;asciilifeform;jurov: the good thing about an emulator is that you can emulate machine of any size, providing you have one 20x or so that size. 1084404;1427992495;asciilifeform;is deedbot dead ? 1084405;1427992498;jurov;even openbsd prefers to maintain racks of obsolete hardware to running emulators 1084406;1427992504;nubbins`;deedbot- afasdfasdfgwre 1084407;1427992517;nubbins`;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/11V97ED 1084408;1427992518;assbot;dpaste: 11V97ED: gxemul ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ycv7 ) 1084409;1427992518;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1084410;1427992523;jurov;so i'm not very keen on this 1084411;1427992538;nubbins`;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/11V97ED.txt 1084412;1427992539;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ydPH ) 1084413;1427992539;asciilifeform;jurov: openbsd is solving a rather different problem, 'waltzing' it on variety of archs 1084414;1427992539;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1084415;1427992542;nubbins`;asciilifeform ^ 1084416;1427992546;nubbins`;raw txt 1084417;1427992565;asciilifeform;jurov: i can't say i'm creaming my pants with excitement over the idea of doing this. but so far the alternatives have been disappointing 1084418;1427992584;nubbins`;jurov openbsd keeps a room of shit hardware because it's expected to run on that shit hardware in the real world 1084419;1427992595;nubbins`;not on emulators of the shit hardware 1084420;1427992624;nubbins`;<+nubbins`> i'll be afk-ish, one last color to lay down on these business cards 1084421;1427992704;asciilifeform;if using gxemul, i was speaking specifically of http://gxemul.sourceforge.net/gxemul-stable/doc/machines/machine_testmips.html 1084422;1427992705;assbot;GXemul - Documentation (0.6.0.1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6yySC ) 1084423;1427992721;asciilifeform;(it supports other, more realistic archs too, which i actually forgot because never tried) 1084424;1427992745;asciilifeform;and before anyone asks, the ram is adjustable! 1084425;1427992749;asciilifeform;or it would be a joke 1084426;1427992751;nubbins`;HAHA i was about to. 1084427;1427992765;nubbins`;how 'bout the cpu speed ;p 1084428;1427992777;asciilifeform;adjustable by buying faster physical cpu, lol 1084429;1427992801;asciilifeform;i think everyone here knows what an emulator is 1084430;1427992809;asciilifeform;and what the serious tradeoffs are. 1084431;1427992840;nubbins`;i know i'd sure as fuck rather play Super Spike V-Ball on an actual NES 1084432;1427992859;asciilifeform;i wouldn't. fucking hate ntsc and 60hz flicker 1084433;1427992862;jurov;why not use jvm? 1084434;1427992871;nubbins`;hue 1084435;1427992871;asciilifeform;jurov: dotnet! 1084436;1427992898;nubbins`;asciilifeform i wonder how well it works w/ modern tvs 1084437;1427992907;*;nubbins` has NES, but in storage 1084438;1427992918;asciilifeform;nubbins`: most tv sets still come with ntsc jacks 1084439;1427992924;asciilifeform;last i checked 1084440;1427992933;*;asciilifeform has not been to a tv store in a very long time 1084441;1427992950;nubbins`;yeah they still come w/ RCA in 1084442;1427992967;nubbins`;incidentally, the fact that NES has RCA out is amazing 1084443;1427992967;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1084444;1427992986;asciilifeform;nubbins`: why ? 1084445;1427992990;asciilifeform;how else would it output 1084446;1427993016;asciilifeform;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/zhMRI9hn4KI/bMYtcr9o5QkJ << unrelated mega-l0l 1084447;1427993017;assbot;Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6zdnb ) 1084448;1427993084;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015-info/dragoon/dragoon-ride.htm << wtf 1084449;1427993085;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6zjet ) 1084450;1427993132;asciilifeform;^ eu welcomes reich IV as it welcomed III 1084451;1427993185;nubbins`;asciilifeform via stupid RF adapter 1084452;1427993191;nubbins`;plugged into coax input 1084453;1427993198;asciilifeform;aha those. 1084454;1427993201;asciilifeform;i remember those. 1084455;1427993203;nubbins`;yeah 1084456;1427993213;nubbins`;my atari 2600 one had a switch for CH 2/3 1084457;1427993215;*;asciilifeform never had 'nes' but had 'commodore 64' 1084458;1427993233;asciilifeform;anyway it was usually the tv which lacked rca in 1084459;1427993241;asciilifeform;commodore, for instance, had the out 1084460;1427993244;nubbins`;back then, yeah. a rarity. 1084461;1427993272;nubbins`;imagine, future-proofing a video game console in 1983 :0 1084462;1427993324;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015-info/dragoon/pict21.jpg << very special l0lsauce 1084463;1427993327;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6zR3T ) 1084464;1427993341;asciilifeform;wonder if the muppet ever wondered why his pissant kingdom was ever occupied by ru. 1084465;1427993399;nubbins`;hahahahaha is he holding a fucking pint of draft? 1084466;1427993417;asciilifeform;and ahahaha we know, it was because it lacked a 'big daddy' to cry to 1084467;1427993425;nubbins`;oh wow there's another almost-empty glass behind the other side of the banner 1084468;1427993426;nubbins`;o.O 1084469;1427993434;nubbins`;together we will *hic* 1084470;1427993453;nubbins`;TOGETHER WE WILL *HIC* [SIC] NOT ALLOW... 1084471;1427993572;punkman;http://www.marketplace.org/topics/education/learning-curve/american-students-head-germany-free-college 1084472;1427993574;assbot;American students head to Germany for free college | Marketplace.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Anz0 ) 1084473;1427993657;punkman;this girl I know moved to germany to work at some tech company, 800eur salary for first 2 years or something. 1084474;1427995214;nubbins`;woo, done, nicest cards yet 1084475;1427995220;*;nubbins` wanders away to void himself 1084476;1427995426;punkman;http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/32157624 1084477;1427995427;assbot;Woman reported for flashing Google Street View car in South Australia - BBC Newsbeat ... ( http://bit.ly/1CVQCSh ) 1084478;1427995621;punkman;http://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/30094607/Nazi.gif 1084479;1427995622;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CVS72X ) 1084480;1427995624;punkman;" balaclava-clad goon attempts to burn a fire-resistant EU flag" 1084481;1427995636;jurov;together we will *hic* ...so? let's have fun 1084482;1427995845;jurov;alf takes his usaschwitz suffering too seriously 1084483;1427996006;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1181853joe_sacco_buffoons_tale.png << l33t w4r3z scan. this comic was probably not intentionally about the collapse of fiat world, but is a good parable for it regardless. 1084484;1427996007;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CVUKlf ) 1084485;1427996007;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1084486;1427996468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 77 @ 0.01505727 = 1.1594 BTC [+] {6} 1084487;1427997761;asciilifeform;'hey hey, ho, ho,' dns in bitcoind 'has got to go!!' 1084488;1427998486;mircea_popescu;good mornin'! 1084489;1427998847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 439400 @ 0.00025376 = 111.5021 BTC [+] {2} 1084490;1427999239;ben_vulpes;ein popescu! 1084491;1427999247;jurov;morning! 1084492;1427999254;mircea_popescu;ja! 1084493;1427999323;jurov;damn, i realized took me half day to get through last 24h logs 1084494;1427999329;jurov;should be doing sth else 1084495;1427999360;asciilifeform;l0l 1084496;1427999553;ben_vulpes;dude these logs are dense 1084497;1427999559;mircea_popescu;heh. as in stupid ? 1084498;1427999568;ben_vulpes;it's not the number of lines but the maaaadness described herein 1084499;1427999577;jurov;BingoBoingo: interested in "Weekly #b-a"? i need at least someting useful to come out of this 1084500;1427999579;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut! 1084501;1427999599;mircea_popescu;jurov yes actually, summaries have been sought and hoped and desired for year+ 1084502;1427999601;ben_vulpes;every 2 lines i have to hare off to the internet - "buildroot" "qemu" 1084503;1427999618;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's only because you're a young fox. 1084504;1427999618;asciilifeform;there breatheth a man who has not heard of 'qemu' ? 1084505;1427999631;ben_vulpes;up yrs, asciilifeform 1084506;1427999631;jurov;^ 1084507;1427999635;mircea_popescu;apparently. EVEN I!!!! had actually seen the thing used. 1084508;1427999648;mircea_popescu;and honestly, i should be the king noob here. 1084509;1427999658;ben_vulpes;naw, you're too old to be a noob anymore. 1084510;1427999668;mircea_popescu;but i never put any serious effort into electrical engineering! 1084511;1427999680;mircea_popescu;point in case : that's how you say "computing" imh. 1084512;1427999683;jurov;s.qntr arrived 1084513;1427999692;mircea_popescu;jurov just sent it yeah. was about to notify you 1084514;1427999695;jurov;who wants to get'em first? 1084515;1427999697;mircea_popescu;but then I GOT CAUGHT IN A BA CONVO 1084516;1427999699;ben_vulpes;"imh" << in my house? 1084517;1427999702;mircea_popescu;head 1084518;1427999711;ben_vulpes;ah 1084519;1427999720;jurov;lol 1084520;1427999721;mircea_popescu;i was going to, but then i got caught in conversation! 1084521;1427999723;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu> but i never put any serious effort into electrical engineering! << said the chap with his own bitcoind running on soviet trinary comp 1084522;1427999734;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you will notice it is not my effort tho. 1084523;1427999748;mircea_popescu;i have put plenty of ope, as you may well be aware of from unrelatedlandia. 1084524;1427999760;asciilifeform;haha aha. 1084525;1427999768;asciilifeform; s.qntr arrived << my broadcast also coming soonish 1084526;1427999784;*;asciilifeform presently lightly occupied with a couplea unrelated things 1084527;1427999813;mircea_popescu;we should start our own cockney. coupla unrelated things = fleas. 1084528;1427999832;asciilifeform;'flee,' said the fly; 'fly,' said the flea... 1084529;1427999866;bitstein;mircea_popescu, mod6: The deed link at the bottom of http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt redirects to a weird domain registration site. 1084530;1427999867;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gkw3A7 ) 1084531;1427999881;mircea_popescu;ugh 1084532;1427999912;ben_vulpes;linkrot! 1084533;1427999918;mircea_popescu;hot damn... 1084534;1427999931;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla any idea why http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ redirects to unregistry.com ? 1084535;1427999932;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkweLY ) 1084536;1427999934;trinque;perfect time for me to point out that current incarnation needs friendly hosting 1084537;1427999946;mircea_popescu;oh wait it is not kako's fault 1084538;1427999950;mircea_popescu;TRINQUE 1084539;1427999952;trinque;is not 1084540;1427999957;trinque;I don't run whatever URL that is 1084541;1427999963;mircea_popescu;a) put the fucking history in and b) fix your 404 scheme 1084542;1427999975;trinque;that's not hitting the current one, wherever it's going 1084543;1427999978;mircea_popescu;what happens is that http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj gets -> to deedbot.org/ deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj 1084544;1427999980;assbot;Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkwmLc ) 1084545;1427999980;mircea_popescu;which... 1084546;1428000005;bitstein;mircea_popescu: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ redirects to http://deedbot.org/ for me. It's that specific deed link that is redirecting to unregistry.com 1084547;1428000005;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19NfCjn ) 1084548;1428000006;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19NfCzN ) 1084549;1428000019;mircea_popescu;right. 1084550;1428000028;trinque;http://deedbot.org/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj << normal aws 404 1084551;1428000029;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/19NfJv7 ) 1084552;1428000033;trinque;and I don't know what that registry is 1084553;1428000035;trinque;never heard of her 1084554;1428000038;mircea_popescu;weirdness. 1084555;1428000067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188050 @ 0.00025508 = 47.9678 BTC [+] {3} 1084556;1428000079;mircea_popescu;> Host: deeds.bitcoin-assets.com 1084557;1428000079;mircea_popescu;> Accept: */* 1084558;1428000079;mircea_popescu;> 1084559;1428000079;mircea_popescu;< HTTP/1.1 302 Found 1084560;1428000079;mircea_popescu;< Server: nginx/1.2.1 1084561;1428000080;mircea_popescu;eyah ok. 1084562;1428000921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00025193 = 18.2649 BTC [-] 1084563;1428002798;mircea_popescu; perfect time for me to point out that current incarnation needs friendly hosting << fucking hell someone start that hoster already. 1084564;1428002812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169700 @ 0.00024797 = 42.0805 BTC [-] {2} 1084565;1428003011;jurov;trinque what specs? 1084566;1428003016;trinque;minimal 1084567;1428003021;asciilifeform;if we do the emulatron thing, it will -definitely- need hosting 1084568;1428003025;mircea_popescu;you need what, python for the bot ? 1084569;1428003031;trinque;python and go 1084570;1428003033;asciilifeform;i'd rather not put a multigig turd on my puny hostatron 1084571;1428003038;trinque;and some space for the blockchain 1084572;1428003049;mircea_popescu;some space aka 50gb 1084573;1428003056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000000 @ 0.000257 = 257 BTC [+] {8} 1084574;1428003074;jurov;interesting, what it needs blockchain for? 1084575;1428003101;trinque;has its own node 1084576;1428003110;asciilifeform;naturally deedbot has node 1084577;1428003114;asciilifeform;how else. 1084578;1428003154;nubbins`;<+punkman> " balaclava-clad goon attempts to burn a fire-resistant EU flag" <<< protip: spray paint the corner of the thing before lighting 1084579;1428003158;jurov;i see 1084580;1428003160;mircea_popescu;pretty much means server for it can't have ssd. 1084581;1428003184;mircea_popescu;nubbins` or squirt 190 proof alcohol on it 1084582;1428003199;asciilifeform;ssd isn't -really- 'disposable' 1084583;1428003200;jurov;so, we can bootstrap on aws and move to iron later 1084584;1428003210;asciilifeform;lasts about as long as the shitty mechanical disks sold in past 5 yrs 1084585;1428003228;asciilifeform;neither is worth anything except in heterogeneous tandem. 1084586;1428003237;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just meant for size. server ssd 100gb is expensive as shit 1084587;1428003239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1245983 @ 0.00026371 = 328.5782 BTC [+] {8} 1084588;1428003250;jurov;trinque any specific distro? 1084589;1428003256;mircea_popescu;jurov i think he is on aws already 1084590;1428003287;trinque;currently gentoo which is my preference 1084591;1428003290;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i'd say that man drinks the 190 proof 1084592;1428003304;nubbins`;prob drinks the paint too, i mean, that 'clava doesn't even fit him! it's like 3x too big! 1084593;1428003343;mircea_popescu;wait he's dressed in a pastry ? 1084594;1428003361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168200 @ 0.00026831 = 45.1297 BTC [+] {2} 1084595;1428003377;nubbins`;heh 1084596;1428003384;nubbins`;"the man donned his baclava" 1084597;1428003395;nubbins`;oh hey, 10 minutes left in this auction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10963734#msg10963734 1084598;1428003396;assbot;Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV27pl ) 1084599;1428003397;asciilifeform;unrelated: 1084600;1428003399;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://thesemenette.com/home.html 1084601;1428003400;assbot;The Semenette® : : : Even Better than the Real Thing ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV29xp ) 1084602;1428003406;nubbins`;if you wanna see people be loose with money, that's the place to go 1084603;1428003408;asciilifeform;(don't ask how found this, l0l) 1084604;1428003422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 585817 @ 0.00027037 = 158.3873 BTC [+] {5} 1084605;1428003504;jurov;trinque are you interested in running it on pogoplug? 1084606;1428003539;trinque;jurov: the bot part I think I will 1084607;1428003549;trinque;mircea_popescu: what do you think about the deeds being added to the wiki? 1084608;1428003564;trinque;jurov: I have a pogo here 1084609;1428003590;hanbot;.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CmWcr0iw 1084610;1428003591;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV33df ) 1084611;1428003618;mircea_popescu;trinque added to the wiki how ? 1084612;1428003620;mircea_popescu;which one ? 1084613;1428003712;nubbins`;hanbot try "deedbot- http://blah" 1084614;1428003714;nubbins`;and also: 1084615;1428003716;nubbins`;!up deedbot- 1084616;1428003731;hanbot;deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CmWcr0iw 1084617;1428003732;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV3xjC ) 1084618;1428003732;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1084619;1428003738;nubbins`;man you guise. /nick nubbot 1084620;1428003753;hanbot;lol 1084621;1428003785;nubbins`;maybe deedbot should be auto-voiced by assbot? dem silent fails 1084622;1428003811;trinque;that'd be quicker than waiting for me to give it fancy auth-to-assbot code 1084623;1428003874;nubbins`;!gettrust assbot deedbot- 1084624;1428003874;assbot;deedbot- is not registered in WoT. 1084625;1428003878;nubbins`;well 1084626;1428003898;jurov;anyone interested in hosted pogoplugs w/2 terabyte hdds? or 2x100G ssd? 1084627;1428003938;*;nubbins` has 3 pogoplugs and 2 more in the mail 1084628;1428003940;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didn't you predict that someone would manufacture automatic impregnatrons ? i distinctly recall an essay concerning such 1084629;1428003947;nubbins`;i'm gonna need babysitting, not hosting ;D 1084630;1428003947;trinque;hanbot: it does not know your public key, which is added in the same fashion 1084631;1428003956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1084632;1428003972;nubbins`;man i'm outta touch w/ this new deedbot 1084633;1428003979;nubbins`;i gotta pastebin my public key? 1084634;1428003982;mircea_popescu;the lulzy part is that they try to make it sound feminine :D 1084635;1428004011;mircea_popescu;"The Semenette is unique because it offers the ability to replace the embedded plastic tubing with each use, eliminating sanitary concerns about mixing liquids you choose to put into the tube." 1084636;1428004013;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you not getting enough fluid ? :D << I survived log catch up time 1084637;1428004022;mircea_popescu;somebody had equal-opportunity thermodynamics class. 1084638;1428004025;asciilifeform;also i predicted a very different machine, that would include the chinese donor 'milking' box in the next room 1084639;1428004026;asciilifeform;in real time 1084640;1428004065;mircea_popescu;mp 1084641;1428004075;mircea_popescu;mp's rule of the junkworld : no machine may be roomsized. 1084642;1428004089;asciilifeform;not room sized in its crate! 1084643;1428004092;mircea_popescu;if orc can't carry it, it already has problems. 1084644;1428004096;asciilifeform;but set up with a wall, or else what is the point 1084645;1428004113;mircea_popescu;free the crates11! 1084646;1428004114;asciilifeform;(what the actual point is, is probably only comprehensible to u.s. pheminist types) 1084647;1428004131;mircea_popescu;i don't think you exactly understand how envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works. 1084648;1428004141;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it could be packaged in a large suitcase, containing a reel of hose. 1084649;1428004144;mircea_popescu;imagine there was a breed of marginally intelligent rabid dogs, and they attacked cars 1084650;1428004147;mircea_popescu;because... can't carry one. 1084651;1428004191;nubbins`;ahaha man this is great. 1084652;1428004198;nubbins`;people putting bids in with 60 seconds left 1084653;1428004212;mircea_popescu;this is kind-of what online action has come to mean i thought. 1084654;1428004230;nubbins`;i'm gonna pretend that wasn't a typo 1084655;1428004233;nubbins`;because this truly is action 1084656;1428004248;nubbins`;anyway, late bids extend the end time by 15 minutes 1084657;1428004253;nubbins`;so it's just people being silly 1084658;1428004276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113700 @ 0.00027094 = 30.8059 BTC [+] {2} 1084659;1428004291;hanbot;deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yRW6nuuQ 1084660;1428004292;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkHOqc ) 1084661;1428004296;deedbot-;imported: EA0FAD90985B3025576A5061454B0FC0BC07B87E 1084662;1428004302;mircea_popescu;lol 1084663;1428004311;hanbot;deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CmWcr0iw 1084664;1428004312;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV3xjC ) 1084665;1428004312;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1084666;1428004323;hanbot;ty trinque, nubbins :) 1084667;1428004336;trinque;np 1084668;1428004397;asciilifeform;envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works << also wai wat 1084669;1428004416;asciilifeform;what kind of coat does envy wear ? 1084670;1428004435;mircea_popescu;allow me to show you. 1084671;1428004460;mircea_popescu;http://www.demotivation.us/media/demotivators/demotivation.us__ENVY-It-Wears-a-Coat-and-Hides-in-Hallways-1.jpg 1084672;1428004461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BV6yAs ) 1084673;1428004480;asciilifeform;l0l 1084674;1428004484;asciilifeform;what even is that 1084675;1428004499;asciilifeform;can't tell if fatchick or hippie guy 1084676;1428004500;mircea_popescu;that is the socialist of tomorrow. 1084677;1428004515;mircea_popescu;neither can anyone else tell if fatchick or metrosexual. 1084678;1428004550;mircea_popescu;but there clearly must be some regulation about all this unsanctioned mirror picture taking by self 1084679;1428004617;asciilifeform;what's this to do with impregnatron, though 1084680;1428004633;asciilifeform;(or perhaps i can guess what) 1084681;1428004637;mircea_popescu;there's a reason you can't have a roomsized machine. 1084682;1428004664;mircea_popescu;same reason people attacked big iron and lab cages. 1084683;1428004667;mircea_popescu;which people ? these people. 1084684;1428004680;asciilifeform;only posited 'room' to allow for the lesbianz to avoid seeing the spooge-supplier 1084685;1428004690;mircea_popescu;there's a reason stuff must be ipad even if crapple does not work : orc wants things it can carry 1084686;1428004690;asciilifeform;i'm engineer not psychiatrist. 1084687;1428004703;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as an engineer that's not a psychiatrist. 1084688;1428004708;asciilifeform;point 1084689;1428004712;mircea_popescu;THIS is what psychiatry actually is 1084690;1428004715;nubbins`;mega point 1084691;1428004717;mircea_popescu;what ballas does is more akin to theatrics. 1084692;1428004738;asciilifeform;'build me a harness for efficiently tossing nun from helicopter.' -- 'what size nun?' -- 'a number-five.' 1084693;1428004757;mircea_popescu;lol wut ?! 1084694;1428004763;asciilifeform;^ example 1084695;1428004778;mircea_popescu;now i'm lost lol. explain in simple words ? 1084696;1428004787;asciilifeform;'mine is not to question why, mine is but to do and die' 1084697;1428004796;mircea_popescu;oh lol 1084698;1428004803;asciilifeform;assumed that apparatus for delivering fresh spoodge into a lesbian is necessary 1084699;1428004807;asciilifeform;proceeded from there. 1084700;1428004832;mircea_popescu;you can't proceed. "this harness is no good" "Why not ?" "it's yellow. duh." 1084701;1428004838;mircea_popescu;ever ran into this ? 1084702;1428004845;asciilifeform;every time. 1084703;1428004853;mircea_popescu;so then stop pretending and learn psychiatry :D 1084704;1428004857;*;asciilifeform learns. 1084705;1428004929;*;mircea_popescu points out that his entire life he's been a transaltor, and perhaps the most successful/best paid/dearliest loved translator ever. started off translating the law to a bunch of burly dudes, then later translated romania to foreigners, then later translated psychiatry to engineers 1084706;1428004934;mircea_popescu;today translating bitcoin to everyone. 1084707;1428004956;nubbins`;lo siento pero no entiendo 1084708;1428004988;nubbins`;i mean uh 1084709;1428004991;mircea_popescu;you know thats funny ? 1084710;1428004991;nubbins`;no speako spanisho 1084711;1428004995;BingoBoingo;jurov: BingoBoingo: interested in "Weekly #b-a"? i need at least someting useful to come out of this << I see no reason why not 1084712;1428005002;asciilifeform; today translating bitcoin to everyone. << the book. it must be printed! 1084713;1428005005;mircea_popescu;cause lo siento means sorry, but it also means i hear you in a very unspanish ethymological approach 1084714;1428005023;mircea_popescu;nubbins` call it castejan, suddenly you're refined. 1084715;1428005035;nubbins`;unless you replace the two L's with a J 1084716;1428005065;asciilifeform;'castejan' is castellano with mouth full ? 1084717;1428005066;nubbins`;if i wanted to be refined, i'd decompose under pressure into hydrocarbons! 1084718;1428005067;mircea_popescu;that's the fuck they do here. 1084719;1428005076;nubbins`;parts of colombia do this too 1084720;1428005077;mircea_popescu;they read ll like it were ascii. 1084721;1428005080;nubbins`;medejin 1084722;1428005103;asciilifeform;'The one L lama, he's a priest The two L llama, he's a beast ...' 1084723;1428005129;nubbins`;tried alpaca meat, never tried llama 1084724;1428005171;mircea_popescu;me either. 1084725;1428005197;nubbins`;while i'll advance that it was "good", peruvian standard is to beat any steak with a maul before grilling 1084726;1428005206;nubbins`;so i can't really say if it's actually as tender as it seemed 1084727;1428005213;asciilifeform;and what of guinea pig meat ? 1084728;1428005225;nubbins`;cuy? never tried. 1084729;1428005231;asciilifeform;it was always no. 1 in my 'travel to south americas' mental list 1084730;1428005232;nubbins`;was told it's too much work for the amount of meat 1084731;1428005252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 6415 @ 0.00037719 = 2.4197 BTC [+] 1084732;1428005266;mircea_popescu;i dunno anyone offering either of these o.O 1084733;1428005281;nubbins`;both popular in peru 1084734;1428005283;asciilifeform;iirc in peru 1084735;1428005283;asciilifeform;aha 1084736;1428005294;nubbins`;viva el peru glorioso! 1084737;1428005372;hanbot; i dunno anyone offering either of these o.O << my butcher sells llamaburgers 1084738;1428005379;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1084739;1428005384;mircea_popescu;are they any good ? 1084740;1428005407;hanbot;i'm not as curious 1084741;1428005424;nubbins`;anything burger-ified is generally edible 1084742;1428005439;*;nubbins` has admittedly made "lamburger helper" more than once :( 1084743;1428005441;mircea_popescu;hanbot no cuy ? 1084744;1428005447;trinque;nubbins`: sounds... delicious 1084745;1428005452;nubbins`;trinque lamb is ++ 1084746;1428005463;trinque;yeah, I tend to encounter it via greek food 1084747;1428005465;mircea_popescu;lamb yes. 1084748;1428005466;trinque;love it 1084749;1428005471;mircea_popescu;i mostly eat indian food lamb. 1084750;1428005508;nubbins`;i should make donairs ("doner kebab" for you non-eastern-canadians) with actual lamb soon 1084751;1428005513;nubbins`;beef's good, but i mean 1084752;1428005679;nubbins`;saw this on a wall in a "love park" in lima, stays with me: http://imgur.com/2smAiq6 1084753;1428005679;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVbVQf ) 1084754;1428005706;asciilifeform;do any of you lot have an x86 or x86_64 bitcoind built -with debug symbols still- in ? 1084755;1428005719;asciilifeform;i'd like one for a quick experiment. 1084756;1428005768;asciilifeform;ideally dynamic build 1084757;1428005770;nubbins`;not i 1084758;1428005774;nubbins`;er hm 1084759;1428005808;nubbins`;i don't think i have debug symbols built in. easy way to check? 1084760;1428005851;asciilifeform;nm found one 1084761;1428005870;nubbins`;young nubs in the amazon: http://imgur.com/gl4vfmS 1084762;1428005871;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVcKs3 ) 1084763;1428005956;nubbins`;oh man, that was the year i burned my hand! you can see the scar 1084764;1428005960;*;nubbins` reminisces 1084765;1428006010;asciilifeform;let's rephrase 1084766;1428006019;asciilifeform;does anyone have an output of the latest release build 1084767;1428006024;asciilifeform;but with -dynamic- 1084768;1428006130;asciilifeform;... or not. 1084769;1428006271;*;nubbins` is running latest release build, but assuming static 1084770;1428006312;trinque;asciilifeform: I am building one on amd64 gentoo for ya 1084771;1428006313;hanbot;mircea_popescu hello sir! no cuy at all i tell you! 1084772;1428006334;mircea_popescu;lmao 1084773;1428006349;mircea_popescu;nubbins` well... "static". 1084774;1428006351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.00027158 = 31.2045 BTC [+] {2} 1084775;1428006356;mircea_popescu;e-static it should be called. 1084776;1428006363;nubbins`;yeah 1084777;1428006366;nubbins`;staticky 1084778;1428006419;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10963987#msg10963987 <<< the winning bid 1084779;1428006420;assbot;Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVfHJn ) 1084780;1428006431;nubbins`;meat for dinner tonight 1084781;1428006535;asciilifeform;holy everliving phuck, is auditing a cpp-built bin a pain. 1084782;1428006557;mats;found yerself a greater fool eh 1084783;1428006564;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu said that pets can be trained to do anything - make them do this. 1084784;1428006589;mircea_popescu;you know asciilifeform, i don't hate them. i love them. 1084785;1428006605;asciilifeform;then train'em to do it with love. 1084786;1428006614;mircea_popescu;lol 1084787;1428006682;asciilifeform;anyway, for the record, my experiment concerned the question of how to create a mapping between a source tree and sections of resulting bin 1084788;1428006691;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/jCUBrdF <<< man i got really skinny after two weeks of diarrhoea 1084789;1428006693;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVgNES ) 1084790;1428006694;asciilifeform;graph-colouring problem. 1084791;1428006726;nubbins`;asciilifeform five colours should be enough for everyone 8) 1084792;1428006737;nubbins`;also, you brit-spell?! 1084793;1428006751;asciilifeform;wat 1084794;1428006786;trinque;he's referring to your dirty communist spelling of "color" 1084795;1428006789;nubbins`;quick: what's the word for the people who live in the houses around you 1084796;1428006793;nubbins`;don't think, just type 1084797;1428006794;asciilifeform;l0l 1084798;1428006800;asciilifeform;i dun spell, me fingerz spell 1084799;1428006810;asciilifeform;nubbins`: schmucks? 1084800;1428006815;nubbins`;bahaha 1084801;1428006822;nubbins`;smarty 1084802;1428006830;nubbins`;neigh*r 1084803;1428006834;asciilifeform;Ah 1084804;1428006845;*;nubbins` genuinely curious 1084805;1428006852;asciilifeform;ou 1084806;1428006858;*;nubbins` applauds softly 1084807;1428006864;nubbins`;wd 1084808;1428006870;asciilifeform;i mean, if we're gonna zap vowels why not let'em all go 1084809;1428006876;asciilifeform;like the semitic langs 1084810;1428006885;asciilifeform;nghbrs 1084811;1428006896;mircea_popescu;neighbour. 1084812;1428006905;mats;http://www.ics.uci.edu/~perl/ndss15_opaque_cfi.pdf 1084813;1428006906;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P3qlH3 ) 1084814;1428006948;nubbins`;asciilifeform then a couple thou years from now you've got people taking guesses as to the True Name of mrc ppsc 1084815;1428006956;nubbins`;YMMV, YHWH 1084816;1428006957;asciilifeform;mats: is it just me or do 'aslr' and related items give a feeling of 'plugging the wrong end of the funnel' ? 1084817;1428006984;mats;well, yes. 1084818;1428006994;asciilifeform;mats: as in, 'why is the enemy supplying instructions for your cpu to execute in the first place' 1084819;1428007024;asciilifeform;aslr is sorta like building a labyrinth in your house to slow burglars 1084820;1428007028;asciilifeform;between rooms 1084821;1428007069;mats;fun fact: i played starcraft with the guy that patented ASLR. 1084822;1428007091;asciilifeform;mats: how about the guy who patented the stone axe ? 1084823;1428007099;mats;he also went on to write the Control Flow Guard code. 1084824;1428007102;nubbins`;heh 1084825;1428007116;nubbins`;iirc there's an hg wells story about the guy who invented the stone axe. 1084826;1428007120;nubbins`;not a bad read 1084827;1428007121;asciilifeform;it boggles my mind that aslr could be patented 1084828;1428007134;asciilifeform;what year filed ? 1084829;1428007144;mircea_popescu;anything can bve patented 1084830;1428007152;mircea_popescu;and as peole stupidify, more and more tyhings will be. 1084831;1428007154;mats;2006 iirc 1084832;1428007168;trinque;there's a patent on having a database of products and modifiers which dates to 2000s sometime 1084833;1428007169;mircea_popescu;stuff that was ridiculous to patent in 1850, such as "how to make bread" definitely meets the bar today. 1084834;1428007170;asciilifeform;mr mold, of all people, has watertight prior art from, iirc, '94 1084835;1428007181;asciilifeform;it was his one and only academic paper. 1084836;1428007184;mats;http://www.google.com/patents/US7831791 1084837;1428007185;assbot;Patent US7831791 - Method of address space layout randomization for windows operating systems - Google Patents ... ( http://bit.ly/1BViSki ) 1084838;1428007185;trinque;the twist was "synchronizing the data between multiple terminals 1084839;1428007185;nubbins`;http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27365/27365-h/27365-h.htm#Page_59 1084840;1428007187;assbot; The Project Gutenberg eBook of Tales of Space and Time, by H. G. Wells ... ( http://bit.ly/1BViSAK ) 1084841;1428007193;nubbins`;if anyone's interested 1084842;1428007198;asciilifeform;l0l mentions winblows by name 1084843;1428007211;asciilifeform;at uspto these are called 'wall hanger patents' 1084844;1428007220;asciilifeform;as in, the only thing they are good for is office decoration 1084845;1428007245;trinque;sure that and dragging every entity smaller than a billion plus in revenue into court to die by starvation 1084846;1428007269;asciilifeform;trinque: you need at least a basic troll-grade patent for that 1084847;1428007278;asciilifeform;not any old schizo rant will suffice 1084848;1428007289;asciilifeform;contrary to popular belief 1084849;1428007296;trinque;til there's an even lower tier of "valid" patents 1084850;1428007311;trinque;I've seen insane, *insane* cases in the hospitality software space 1084851;1428007314;asciilifeform;'designpatent' ? 1084852;1428007325;trinque;prior art from the dawn of computing type patents 1084853;1428007351;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it occurs to me that if you spend some time now designing and patenting gasenwagens 1084854;1428007358;mircea_popescu;you may end up controlling that space 1084855;1428007360;asciilifeform;prior art, if can be authenticated, invalidates patent. retroactively. 1084856;1428007380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: except that usg owns the patents (war trophies!) 1084857;1428007384;nubbins`;heee 1084858;1428007385;trinque;asciilifeform: jury of "peers" 1084859;1428007423;trinque;this prior art thing if it actually worked would burn like a grease fire through 99.9% of software patents 1084860;1428007433;asciilifeform;100% 1084861;1428007435;trinque;the standards for "novel" seem trivial 1084862;1428007459;asciilifeform;anyway patents are a passenger on the burning atomic dirigible of usg 1084863;1428007476;asciilifeform;all of'em. 1084864;1428007523;mircea_popescu;not all of them. 1084865;1428007539;mircea_popescu;seeing how you called whatever phrase a mpism 1084866;1428007553;asciilifeform;unless a patent is so poorly constructed as to be thrown out immediately, any patent litigation in usaworld is a contest of bank accounts. 1084867;1428007567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i didn't say 'authorships' but -patents- as we know'em. 1084868;1428007583;asciilifeform;as in the weirdo crown monopolies. 1084869;1428007588;mircea_popescu;well that. 1084870;1428007690;asciilifeform;incidentally, did anyone read the 'buffoon's tale' link ? 1084871;1428007699;asciilifeform;perfect allegory for usg. 1084872;1428007707;asciilifeform;and its works. 1084873;1428007793;trinque;asciilifeform: current release busts for me on uint32_t as well 1084874;1428007820;asciilifeform;trinque: patched? and if so, how ? 1084875;1428007837;trinque;have not made any attempt to fix it yet; have to attend to something else first 1084876;1428007840;asciilifeform;trinque: post barf plz. 1084877;1428007842;trinque;k 1084878;1428007847;asciilifeform;along with os/gcc/etc 1084879;1428007907;mats;;;seen FabianB 1084880;1428007907;gribble;FabianB was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 35 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: not down but very slow it seems 1084881;1428007924;mircea_popescu;scoopbot fetch 1084882;1428007928;mircea_popescu;scoopbot -fetch 1084883;1428007952;trinque;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/01HWQYM.txt 1084884;1428007953;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVmpz3 ) 1084885;1428007987;trinque;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1V47S94.txt 1084886;1428007988;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVmylR ) 1084887;1428007994;asciilifeform;trinque: aha, precisely what happens to the published (without weirdo patches) release on my boxes. 1084888;1428008025;asciilifeform;nubbins` et al ^^^^^^ 1084889;1428008046;trinque;asciilifeform: do you use a hardened toolchain? 1084890;1428008066;asciilifeform;hardened how ? 1084891;1428008073;trinque;gentoo hardened profile 1084892;1428008080;asciilifeform;nope 1084893;1428008089;trinque;dunno why that would magically poof in a header defining that type 1084894;1428008099;asciilifeform;wait, did it ?! 1084895;1428008117;trinque;no, saying I don't know why that would be relevant 1084896;1428008119;asciilifeform;because your dump is quite the same as mine 1084897;1428008162;trinque;mine is busted as yours 1084898;1428008167;asciilifeform;incidentally, i don't like 'selinux' 1084899;1428008172;trinque;wondering what's different about the debian 1084900;1428008187;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah I don't use it 1084901;1428008188;mats;do you like grsec? 1084902;1428008190;asciilifeform;i invoke mircea_popescu's maxim that 'if there is anything good in it, it will have to be reinvented naively' 1084903;1428008205;trinque;hardened here just means having things like stack protection turned on 1084904;1428008210;mats;and why don't you like sel 1084905;1428008216;mats;selinux 1084906;1428008225;asciilifeform;mats: guess. 1084907;1428008228;trinque;in my case it seems like a vast, complex surface to deal with 1084908;1428008238;trinque;seems also that within that complexity you could hide nefarious things 1084909;1428008284;mats;i know why i don't like selinux, but i have a feeling we don't intersect 1084910;1428008290;mats;lemme guess: NSA? 1084911;1428008292;asciilifeform;aha. 1084912;1428008300;asciilifeform;but not merely the fact of. 1084913;1428008323;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084056 << why would fb care ?! 1084914;1428008323;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 13:34:48; lobbes: I posted obamaz magic decree to my facebook. Quite expectedly, no one cares. 1084915;1428008342;asciilifeform;mats: grsec >> but the sheer nonsensicalness of pretending that kernel can limit what kernel can do. consider this claim: 'Through PaX's UDEREF and KERNEXEC features, grsecurity forces any userland data access to go through an approved accessor and rejects any attempt to execute userland code in kernel context.' 1084916;1428008344;trinque;nobody I know cares 1084917;1428008360;trinque;cept those here and a handful of clever meatspace guys 1084918;1428008361;asciilifeform;mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles. 1084919;1428008431;asciilifeform;mats: selinux and similar are exemplary of usg approach to 'seek00r1ty' - add layers of 'granular' bureaucracy to the os 1084920;1428008445;asciilifeform;as if this did something tangible beyond making it even -less- fit-in-head. 1084921;1428008461;asciilifeform;and even further discouraging genuine audit, as if this were possible or even necessary 1084922;1428008486;mats;i dunno about that second part, but in general i agree with you 1084923;1428008510;asciilifeform;it isn't just 'voodoo taint' from nsa. 1084924;1428008532;*;asciilifeform doesn't practice voodoo 1084925;1428008592;trinque;this seems to be why openbsd just has chroot, bsd has fancy jails or whatever, and now linux has Containerz (TM) 1084926;1428008600;trinque;just make fucking chroot work 1084927;1428008610;trinque;that and a working firewall 1084928;1428008611;asciilifeform;but overall, folks who unrepentantly spout nonsense about one thing, damage their credibility re: other things. 1084929;1428008612;mircea_popescu;you can't make chroot work 1084930;1428008615;asciilifeform;^ 1084931;1428008618;trinque;whysat 1084932;1428008620;mircea_popescu;that's the dirty secret behind 20 years of "linux" 1084933;1428008623;trinque;oh on linux 1084934;1428008624;mircea_popescu;because, conceptually, it is nonsense. 1084935;1428008635;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually it is the dirty secret behind 40 yrs of unix 1084936;1428008637;asciilifeform;but yes. 1084937;1428008637;mircea_popescu;there's a deep reason permissions don't fucking work 1084938;1428008646;mircea_popescu;that reason is that intelligent people do not wish to spend their time working on idiocy 1084939;1428008658;mircea_popescu;and they do wish to tell themselves that they can ever work on "something else" 1084940;1428008664;mircea_popescu;because hey, engineers not psychiatrists, right ? 1084941;1428008697;asciilifeform;unix perms are the proverbial 'pissing-section in swimming pool' 1084942;1428008704;trinque;lol, I understand 1084943;1428008731;trinque;makes sense. 1084944;1428008737;mircea_popescu;that's what the jwz dood quite typically told me : that he "doesn't care about whatever political bone i have toi pick" 1084945;1428008743;asciilifeform;for those who don't follow the antics of lunatics: usg is -obsessed- with domain segregation 1084946;1428008755;mircea_popescu;as if that's what happened, i was sitting on an exercise ball one day and spontaneously decided hey, let me make a political party and pick bones! 1084947;1428008755;asciilifeform;to the point of commissioning $maxint cpu archs that pretend to do it 1084948;1428008792;trinque;ah that makes it very clear. 1084949;1428008797;asciilifeform;^ to a muppet, any deviation from his muppetology is a schizo paroxysm of irrational 1084950;1428008799;trinque;"pretend to do it" << is exactly the useful thing there 1084951;1428008825;asciilifeform;to jwz et al, google simply 'is' - like the sun. 1084952;1428008833;mircea_popescu;right. 1084953;1428008898;asciilifeform;to briefly return to thread, it is not a -total- waste of time to learn what usg imagines 'security' - for its private uses - means. 1084954;1428008908;asciilifeform;even if from purely psychiatric view 1084955;1428008920;asciilifeform;!s what colour are your bits 1084956;1428008921;assbot;0 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits 1084957;1428008929;asciilifeform;http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 1084958;1428008930;assbot; What Colour are your bits? - Ansuz - mskala's home page ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVqe7l ) 1084959;1428008933;asciilifeform;^ that 1084960;1428008938;asciilifeform;and we -did- it here 1084961;1428008961;asciilifeform;'In Paranoia, everything has a colour-coded security level (from Infrared up to Ultraviolet) and everybody has a clearance on the same scale. You are not allowed to touch, or have any dealings with, anything that exceeds your clearance. If you're a Red Troubleshooter, you're not allowed to walk through an Orange door. Formally, you're not really supposed to even know about the existence of anything above your clearance. An 1084962;1428008961;asciilifeform;yone who breaks the rules is a Commie Mutant Traitor, subject to the death penalty. Much of the game revolves around the consequences of the security levels. For instance, Friend Computer might assign a team of Red Troubleshooters to re-paint a hallway that ought to be Orange but was painted Yellow by mistake the Commie Mutant Traitors. It's quite likely in such a case that the Troubleshooters will all end up shooting each o 1084963;1428008961;asciilifeform;ther for treason against Friend Computer, since none of them are allowed to touch the paint, go near the hallway, or talk about their mission, and they're all charged with enforcing the rules on one another.' 1084964;1428008964;asciilifeform;^ for the record. 1084965;1428009003;mircea_popescu;lol notbad. what is this ? 1084966;1428009009;asciilifeform;the colour essay 1084967;1428009013;asciilifeform;!s monolith 1084968;1428009014;assbot;9 results for 'monolith' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monolith 1084969;1428009022;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu even wrote an essay on the subject. 1084970;1428009144;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--cfqe4JUp--/fqceoem5sfd8khvzkpkc.jpg 1084971;1428009145;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BVrkju ) 1084972;1428009193;mircea_popescu;lol first time this decade ? 1084973;1428009198;cazalla;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084247 <<< to be fair, you didn't try until 4-5 hours ago 1084974;1428009198;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:59; thestringpuller: haven't been able to contact cazalla 1084975;1428009263;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently he set the record 1084976;1428009326;mircea_popescu;nice lordosis on the chick... that babe knows how to party. 1084977;1428009400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.0002719 = 12.7249 BTC [+] 1084978;1428009441;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883664 1084979;1428009441;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2014 18:32:52; asciilifeform: engineers, who (as shown by the 'monolith' gedankenexperiment, search logs) often do not really apprehend how lizard-reich and its subordinate bureaucracies really think. 1084980;1428009443;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084081 <<< this, for the record, is kinda ridiculous. 1084981;1428009443;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 14:05:13; lobbes: I'd like to believe if I just focus on myself and amass enough wealth I can weasel my way through time 1084982;1428009452;mircea_popescu;might as well make your strategy "to get really really fat" 1084983;1428009461;asciilifeform;'too fat to hang' 1084984;1428009487;asciilifeform;(some prisoner in usa got a temporary stay of execution on this argument.) 1084985;1428009499;asciilifeform;'i wus sentenced to hang not heads-off' 1084986;1428009499;cazalla;!rate thestringpuller 1 overpromised and underdelivered on task he set himself for qntra 1084987;1428009499;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0e2233d7dfc2e173 1084988;1428009648;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084116 << whoever the fuck came up with this "binary module loading" bs should be found and named. 1084989;1428009648;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 14:54:13; assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:26:58; nubbins`: "glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration." 1084990;1428009658;mircea_popescu;i can see why this would be useful as an alternative method for very peculiar situations 1084991;1428009674;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, in vast majority of cases, libnss SHOULD JUST CONTAIN ALL! 1084992;1428009683;mircea_popescu;like fucking code is supposed to do. 1084993;1428009700;asciilifeform;many things 'should' xxxxx. 1084994;1428009730;mircea_popescu;no. 1084995;1428009730;asciilifeform;but the list of 'should but doesn't' appears to grow, grow, every time we turn over a rock. 1084996;1428009740;cazalla;!verify assbot:cazalla.rate.thestringpuller.1:16ae1454fd113b8cc0c781069043ec4cfadbdd32f55f8f028415f9d88daa29df 1084997;1428009741;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for thestringpuller from 2 to 1 with note: overpromised and underdelivered on task he set himself for qntra 1084998;1428009744;asciilifeform;to no surprise of mine 1084999;1428009752;mircea_popescu;that you don't randomly stick binary in my ass is not a "many things" 1085000;1428009753;mircea_popescu;this is rape. 1085001;1428009814;asciilifeform;reminds me 1085002;1428009830;asciilifeform;iirc i killed 'loadable modules' on pogotron but forgot to disable the now-useless mod utils. 1085003;1428009836;asciilifeform;oughta be in the next patch. 1085004;1428009859;mats;2M s.mpoe buy wall @ 0.00027 1085005;1428009862;asciilifeform;(loadable modules are good for kernel dev work and really not much else.) 1085006;1428009904;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you even have a clue why the fuck libnss is made that way ? 1085007;1428009911;mircea_popescu;is it to fit it on w/e arm shits ? 1085008;1428009912;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in so far as i can tell, the problem in question is entirely shot in the head by my dns removal patch. 1085009;1428009923;mircea_popescu;is it to load whatever early ityeration of nsa diddle in systems ? 1085010;1428009924;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i cannot fathom why it was made this way, other than for the usual reasons. 1085011;1428009944;asciilifeform;there is no conceivable technical justification for it, beyond sloth. 1085012;1428009994;mircea_popescu;who did this ? 1085013;1428009996;asciilifeform;there is also the overall 'rust' resulting from no one ever building static anything whasoever for years. 1085014;1428010017;mircea_popescu;if whoever the fuck is responsible for this crapever shows up in wot he's getting my -. 1085015;1428010086;asciilifeform;one day we will have a simon wiesenthal of crapware. 1085016;1428010106;mircea_popescu;pure anomie, this shit. idiots "doocracying" with no conception of right and wrong whatsoever. 1085017;1428010119;asciilifeform;hunt the gnomes and drag them kicking, screaming, to the stake. 1085018;1428010120;mircea_popescu;"i have tried and so nobody should criticize the steaming pile of dumb dung " 1085019;1428010216;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 142.30184834 BTC. Current weight: 73,553. 1085020;1428010217;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 94,475. 1085021;1428010234;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: don't expect them to walk in voluntarily 1085022;1428010243;mircea_popescu;i don't expect anything. 1085023;1428010254;asciilifeform;^ the correct thing to expect. 1085024;1428010285;mircea_popescu;"unfortunately, the way we made this foss software is that it behaves exactly like windows" 1085025;1428010293;asciilifeform;i actually find it interesting how astonishingly well-clustered the 'digerati' set is. 1085026;1428010294;mircea_popescu;"there's nothing wrong with pki, it just fixes dns." 1085027;1428010307;asciilifeform;zawinski lives next to lanier in my head and this is not accidental nor misleading 1085028;1428010312;asciilifeform;even if they never met in the flesh 1085029;1428010318;mircea_popescu;you KNOW this shit even got to be used in the first place because usg said so. 1085030;1428010345;mircea_popescu;"why do we have dns ? it sucks! " "yes but that's how nsa could figure out how to diddle via libnss" 1085031;1428010365;mircea_popescu;"so why are you all pushing pki ? it's fucktarded beyond reason" "no look, it has a whiff of salami right in this spot!" 1085032;1428010422;asciilifeform;in many cases (quite arguably dns included) the turd was an ad-hoc hack from the days of arpa but was cemented in place because guess-why. 1085033;1428010439;asciilifeform;this is a fine point but not unimportant zoologically 1085034;1428010451;asciilifeform;because it is uncommon for the enemy to -invent- a turd ab initio 1085035;1428010458;mircea_popescu;and that, incidentally, is the objection ot poettering : it's not a matter of "doing". the man simply has no conception of right and wrong. 1085036;1428010462;trinque;asciilifeform: so there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t; I would be interested to see what sys/types.h holds for the other folks 1085037;1428010462;asciilifeform;it is normally fished out of a pre-existing latrine. 1085038;1428010463;mircea_popescu;he might as well be a monkey. 1085039;1428010489;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just pick one of the preexisting sluts and then prevent washing, sure. 1085040;1428010492;trinque;comment above: /* But these were defined by ISO C without the first `_'. */ 1085041;1428010499;mircea_popescu;i will have the heads of the ab-initio people tho. 1085042;1428010557;asciilifeform;there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t << ahahahahaha. 1085043;1428010590;asciilifeform;someone actually wrote that. 1085044;1428010593;asciilifeform;with a straight face. 1085045;1428010598;asciilifeform;and, would probably come up with 'reasons' 1085046;1428010614;asciilifeform;i wonder what would be his 'reasons' after a few days of hanging upside-down over a cobra pit. 1085047;1428010652;asciilifeform;(or insert a more appropriate prelude to a punishment to fit the crime) 1085048;1428010684;*;trinque begins a debootstrap to see what it craps in sys/types.h 1085049;1428010697;asciilifeform;soooooooo many ways to arrange four bytes. 1085050;1428010714;trinque;asciilifeform: stop trying to stifle people's creativity 1085051;1428010867;asciilifeform;'friar sank to his knees! sacred sensation! miracle proclaimed! blessed defecation!' 1085052;1428010966;trinque;asciilifeform: said poettering to the porcelain, parting is such sweet sorrow 1085053;1428011003;trinque;debootstrap failed mysteriously the first time 1085054;1428011006;asciilifeform;trinque: from earlier link 1085055;1428011011;asciilifeform;failed how 1085056;1428011013;trinque;I was just being creative 1085057;1428011016;asciilifeform;l0l 1085058;1428011023;trinque;asciilifeform: couple files didn't download 1085059;1428011027;trinque;reran, went better 1085060;1428011058;jurov;http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Name-Service-Switch.html#Name-Service-Switch 1085061;1428011059;assbot;The GNU C Library: Name Service Switch ... ( http://bit.ly/19MOLU5 ) 1085062;1428011066;jurov;nss was added to "remove hacks" 1085063;1428011069;jurov;hahaha 1085064;1428011075;asciilifeform;mega-l0l! 1085065;1428011168;mircea_popescu;i don't think nss per se is the problem here however 1085066;1428011179;mircea_popescu;the idea of loading binary modules and breaking static builds is not exactly = to nss. 1085067;1428011198;mircea_popescu;you could have it implemented sanely just as well. 1085068;1428011202;asciilifeform;could. 1085069;1428011217;asciilifeform;just as you could have north america ruled by a sane ottoman empire. 1085070;1428011219;asciilifeform;or whatnot. 1085071;1428011223;jurov;i guess they wanted to avoid running standalone process and whatnot 1085072;1428011235;mircea_popescu;you don't even ened a motherfucking process. 1085073;1428011247;mircea_popescu;dude holy hell, no configured file ever existed before ? 1085074;1428011255;asciilifeform;jurov: appreciate that what we are attempting with static build is like digging out one of those lugers ru kids routinely find in the ground and trying to fire it 1085075;1428011268;asciilifeform;it's solid rust 1085076;1428011279;asciilifeform;can barely make out which way the barrel points 1085077;1428011307;jurov;butbutbut we need to support dns resolving with mongodb(r)(tm)!!! 1085078;1428011362;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1085079;1428011369;mircea_popescu;and that this made it into c... 1085080;1428011373;jurov;and without(gasp) recompiling libc or running dns servers! 1085081;1428011378;mircea_popescu;FFS! 1085082;1428011420;asciilifeform;fortunately we don't have to fill this swamp today 1085083;1428011425;asciilifeform;apply dns-zap patch. 1085084;1428011457;asciilifeform;bitcoin does not need dns for anythign! 1085085;1428011590;nubbins`;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html 1085086;1428011591;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19MPtAN ) 1085087;1428011595;nubbins`;for those just catching up 1085088;1428011596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4470 @ 0.00037719 = 1.686 BTC [+] 1085089;1428011635;nubbins`;now, lemme give this a whirl 1085090;1428011650;asciilifeform;careful with that one 1085091;1428011667;asciilifeform;once you dump dns seeder, you gotta have some live nodes (!!!) in the seed list 1085092;1428011673;asciilifeform;which, in turn, should not be the hardcoded idiocy 1085093;1428011678;asciilifeform;but passed on commmandline 1085094;1428011694;asciilifeform;i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz 1085095;1428011715;asciilifeform;ALSO 1085096;1428011729;asciilifeform;now that i read that patch, i notice that it does not eliminate -all- occurrences of the dns crapolade 1085097;1428011732;*;nubbins` perks ears 1085098;1428011736;asciilifeform;there is yet another 1085099;1428011755;asciilifeform;iirc, in the spot where the thing learns own ip. 1085100;1428011775;asciilifeform;bbl, gotta buy food. 1085101;1428011779;nubbins`;what's it sending a POST request to whatismyip.com? :D 1085102;1428011800;asciilifeform;^ dns query !! 1085103;1428011845;trinque;holy shit no one knows why there's both a u_int32_t and a uint32_t 1085104;1428011850;trinque;the latter is defined in c99 1085105;1428011869;nubbins`;prob because one asshole somewhere along the line had a build error 1085106;1428011874;nubbins`;and "this seems to fix it" 1085107;1428011882;trinque;all I can find is derps going "just include ..." 1085108;1428011886;trinque;NO SHIT 1085109;1428011905;nubbins`;i suppose github could tell you who committed it the first time 1085110;1428011923;nubbins`;i don't keep a list of this type of person, mp may be interested enough to look 1085111;1428011941;jurov;may have been satoshi himself 1085112;1428011963;nubbins`;may have been there from the beginning 1085113;1428012000;trinque;this forum post thing where people pop off with some tape fix rather than explaining what's going on 1085114;1428012003;trinque;blowtorch 1085115;1428012100;cazalla;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084788 dude, what's in your ear? 1085116;1428012101;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 20:31:31; nubbins`: http://imgur.com/jCUBrdF <<< man i got really skinny after two weeks of diarrhoea 1085117;1428012160;trinque;asciilifeform: could boost be pulling or not pulling this type in based on some kind of config magic? 1085118;1428012161;cazalla;lucky i am not otw to conf, i would so attach a padlock to your ear :P 1085119;1428012227;nubbins`;you could try 1085120;1428012325;trinque;in my /usr/include I see for example this "nettle" thing doing typedef u_int32_t uint32_t; 1085121;1428012360;nubbins`;o.O 1085122;1428012485;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/hOH0HCLl.png << silkscreened biz cards on 160# black paper 1085123;1428012485;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19MQIzU ) 1085124;1428012503;trinque;nubbins`: those look great. 1085125;1428012508;nubbins`;ty 1085126;1428012519;nubbins`;really nice texture on the black parts too 1085127;1428012530;nubbins`;dat subtle relief 1085128;1428012711;punkman;s 1085129;1428012828;nubbins`;ok alf i'm applying all 3 of your patches to a fresh 0.5.3.1, should know one way or another in an hour or so 1085130;1428013060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36956 @ 0.0002719 = 10.0483 BTC [+] 1085131;1428013264;danielpbarron;!up wpalczynski 1085132;1428013318;danielpbarron;nubbins`, nice card 1085133;1428013328;nubbins`;thanks, hand-printed 1085134;1428013363;*;trinque can suddenly not paste into chrome 1085135;1428013394;nubbins`;typedef paste u_paste32_t; 1085136;1428013426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00027024 = 17.471 BTC [-] {2} 1085137;1428013444;trinque;nubbins`: pls don't trigger me 1085138;1428013461;trinque;I actually typedef'd the missing type to see what happened, and now it's pissed about something else 1085139;1428013482;trinque;would love to show ya >:) 1085140;1428013562;nubbins`;hey, pastebin is hungry 1085141;1428013679;trinque;nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/136CA5Z.txt 1085142;1428013680;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19MS6mi ) 1085143;1428013716;nubbins`;trinque try alf's patch 1085144;1428013723;trinque;link? 1085145;1428013767;nubbins`;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150401/asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation_8685d541f20bcfe8d8cc9fefba663dd861f7b237.patch 1085146;1428013768;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19MSaCD ) 1085147;1428013781;trinque;ty 1085148;1428013797;trinque;heh yeah I was derping through exactly what he fixed 1085149;1428013805;nubbins`;ah, i wouldn't say it's fixed 1085150;1428013813;trinque;well, he was a notch closer anyway 1085151;1428013816;nubbins`;regardless, try again 1085152;1428013817;nubbins`;yes 1085153;1428014048;trinque;nubbins`: kerboom -> http://dpaste.com/33G6CY8.txt 1085154;1428014049;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQAjbi ) 1085155;1428014215;trinque;starting clean and logging all output 1085156;1428014234;trinque;but it looked like the stuff not being linked *was* built 1085157;1428014275;nubbins`;i am also at the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto" stage 1085158;1428014280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00027 = 7.776 BTC [-] 1085159;1428014562;trinque;nubbins`: what does export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$OURLIBS/lib under the rest of the exports do for you? 1085160;1428014572;trinque;I'm waiting on mine to rebuild 1085161;1428014578;trinque;this is in auto.sh 1085162;1428014621;asciilifeform; ok alf i'm applying all 3 of your patches << wai wat, 3?! 1085163;1428014662;asciilifeform;the integer retardation patch includes the one from portatron 1085164;1428014727;asciilifeform;/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../lib64/libpthread.a(pthread_cond_wait.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__gcc_personality_v0' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC 1085165;1428014727;asciilifeform;/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../lib64/libpthread.a: error adding symbols: Bad value 1085166;1428014729;asciilifeform;^ wat. 1085167;1428014737;asciilifeform;(from trinque's) 1085168;1428014768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59100 @ 0.0002719 = 16.0693 BTC [+] 1085169;1428015054;nubbins`;<+asciilifeform> the integer retardation patch includes the one from portatron <<< o look 1085170;1428015068;asciilifeform;? 1085171;1428015111;asciilifeform;it should go without saying that asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation_8685d541f20bcfe8d8cc9fefba663dd861f7b237.patch is not a tree candidate ! 1085172;1428015118;nubbins`;:D 1085173;1428015119;asciilifeform;i probably should have specified this in the signed text 1085174;1428015138;asciilifeform;but stating it here for anyone who did not immediately grasp this. 1085175;1428015164;trinque;I dunno what that link error is. 1085176;1428015166;nubbins`;while we're at it, do not operate chainsaws w/ your genitals 1085177;1428015357;danielpbarron;nubbins`, how many of those birds of newfoundland books do you have left? / remind me to get one of those if/when the qntra cards get sent out 1085178;1428015379;nubbins`;danielpbarron we'll be making them for as long as people buy them. i'll set one aside for ya 1085179;1428015386;nubbins`;your if/when is currently an if 1085180;1428015421;nubbins`;i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested 1085181;1428015434;*;nubbins` generally doesn't do design work on open-ended spec 1085182;1428015704;nubbins`;:o 1085183;1428016232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00027 = 14.7555 BTC [-] 1085184;1428016781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16146 @ 0.0002719 = 4.3901 BTC [+] 1085185;1428017891;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-march-2015-statement/ 1085186;1428017892;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-march-2015-statement/ 1085187;1428017898;scoopbot;New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-march-2014/ 1085188;1428018001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44554 @ 0.00027 = 12.0296 BTC [-] 1085189;1428018355;hanbot;lol i can't year. 1085190;1428018368;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1085191;1428018371;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HEN57S.txt ) 1085192;1428018794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.0002719 = 14.5195 BTC [+] 1085193;1428018913;cazalla;mircea_popescu, you might need to edit the s.qntr post 1085194;1428019160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.0002719 = 15.0633 BTC [+] 1085195;1428019649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21518 @ 0.00027 = 5.8099 BTC [-] 1085196;1428020736;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE 1085197;1428020737;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBiIB7 ) 1085198;1428020755;nubbins`;^ with asciilifeform's kill-integer and dns-snip patches 1085199;1428020890;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe 1085200;1428020890;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025475 / 0.0002719 (11285618 shares, 2,875.10 BTC), 7D: 0.00022189 / 0.00025956 / 0.00028207 (45012775 shares, 11,683.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028991 / 0.0004493 (104171490 shares, 30,200.60 BTC) 1085201;1428020897;BingoBoingo;!t m s.qntr 1085202;1428020897;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC) 1085203;1428020977;nubbins`;i'm not sure if this is confined to my system or not, asciilifeform mod6 danielpbarron ben_vulpes et al 1085204;1428021004;nubbins`;but the local build of openssl doesn't copy its includes over to the ourlibs dir 1085205;1428021028;nubbins`;simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pHmyM0FE 1085206;1428021029;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBiRo2 ) 1085207;1428021261;nubbins`;my darwin build put 'em in the right place 1085208;1428021269;ben_vulpes;my debian as well 1085209;1428021275;ben_vulpes;if i recall correctly - it's been a few days 1085210;1428021443;nubbins`;samesies, but i think i'd remember doing this 1085211;1428021467;nubbins`;i'm gonna pastebin my entire build if anyone feels like digging w/ me 1085212;1428021521;nubbins`;oh, too big. 1085213;1428022237;cazalla;https://coinreport.net/antagonist-bitcoin/ first sentence paragraph lol 1085214;1428022239;assbot;CoinReport The Antagonist of Bitcoin - CoinReport ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlDOpm ) 1085215;1428022267;cazalla;who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu 1085216;1428022559;BingoBoingo;lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche 1085217;1428022684;nubbins`;haha 1085218;1428022684;nubbins`;"Bryce and I have an esoteric, and funny, similarity. We mutually disdain Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu. This is how we start our conversation." 1085219;1428022684;nubbins`;this should be rich 1085220;1428022684;punkman;maybe it's a late april fool's joke? 1085221;1428022689;nubbins`;“It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.” 1085222;1428022720;punkman;"He tells his EVUE dream of a RIAA-approved blockchain system that will allow users to keep track of digital content and freely transfer it via internet platforms (i.e. Spotify, iTunes, Windows Media). “People will be able to keep their digital content for life,”" 1085223;1428022750;punkman;my non-riaa-approved content will work just fine in 2115 1085224;1428022759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124970 @ 0.00027 = 33.7419 BTC [-] 1085225;1428022779;nubbins`;hmm 1085226;1428022792;nubbins`;i feel like this is a facebook post, but on a website 1085227;1428022884;nubbins`;i.e.relevant to the two guys in it, and maybe in passing to some of their friends or family 1085228;1428023873;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu's a cryptographer nao? 1085229;1428023878;ben_vulpes;first a girl, now a cryptographer? 1085230;1428023885;ben_vulpes;i guess that's what they call anyone who understands math these days. 1085231;1428023940;ben_vulpes;"The project will be a massive undertaking requiring a large seed investment. " 1085232;1428023948;ben_vulpes;huehuehuehu i got a large seed investment for ya right here buddy 1085233;1428023979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.0002719 = 1.8897 BTC [+] 1085234;1428024000;ben_vulpes;bryce will also tell you that reputation doesn't matter either. 1085235;1428024005;ben_vulpes;HYU 1085236;1428024082;funkenstein_;mega lulz, where to start? 1085237;1428024117;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/silk-road-sealed-document-dump-day-full-text/ 1085238;1428024134;danielpbarron;"I design blockchains to have purpose. I want the open-source, decentralized DNM to succeed so I can use my RZR coins to buy weed," quips Bryce. 1085239;1428024155;danielpbarron;does he not have punk kids all over downtown to provide this service?? 1085240;1428024172;danielpbarron;when has it ever been difficult to score weed, seriously 1085241;1428024493;BingoBoingo;!up Cogburn 1085242;1428024503;Cogburn;thanks :) 1085243;1428024508;Cogburn;I'm Bryce Weiner :) 1085244;1428024533;danielpbarron;do you gpg? 1085245;1428024546;cazalla;i'm president obama 1085246;1428024567;Cogburn;oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me 1085247;1428024589;ben_vulpes;can't trust ya tho 1085248;1428024594;ben_vulpes;welcome to the new world order 1085249;1428024599;ben_vulpes;get your keys sorted, boss 1085250;1428024629;danielpbarron;Cogburn, why do you hate mircea_popescu ? 1085251;1428024631;trinque;"You think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?" 1085252;1428024637;Cogburn;i don't 1085253;1428024645;Cogburn;i dunno why people think that 1085254;1428024649;Cogburn;we disagree. that's not hate. 1085255;1428024654;Cogburn;adults can disagree 1085256;1428024667;Cogburn;dialectic and all that 1085257;1428024672;cazalla;going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him 1085258;1428024675;danielpbarron;ok why do you disdain him? 1085259;1428024687;danielpbarron;why is he beneath you? 1085260;1428024691;Cogburn;going by the article garret has an axe to grind with him :) 1085261;1428024704;Cogburn;nobody is beneath me. where do you guys get this stuff? 1085262;1428024709;danielpbarron;well he suggested that the sentiment is mutual between you two 1085263;1428024717;Cogburn;he would be wrong 1085264;1428024718;Cogburn;:) 1085265;1428024719;BingoBoingo;Cogburn: Well garret lost people a bunch of money with his Surf Captial Management thing 1085266;1428024724;Cogburn;that would only be one way 1085267;1428024731;danielpbarron;i did a google search for the word "disdain" and got the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt. 1085268;1428024756;danielpbarron;and contempt: the feeling that a person or a thing is beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn. 1085269;1428024760;BingoBoingo;And Garrett may or may not also be Garr255 of the Cognitive Mining tire fire 1085270;1428024781;Cogburn;i have never expressed disdain. i have expressed passionate disagreement. that's what consensus is about. like the old days of the greek republics arguing the issues of the day on the senate steps 1085271;1428024797;BingoBoingo;Cogburn: Would you nick happen to be a reference to Rooster Cogburn? 1085272;1428024798;Cogburn;those are garrets words, not quotes 1085273;1428024804;Cogburn;Yes, it is. 1085274;1428024808;cazalla;fuck u scoopbot! http://qntra.net/2015/04/federal-agent-sells-firearms-via-darknet-market/ 1085275;1428024809;assbot;Federal Agent Sells Firearms Via Darknet Market | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWX6Be ) 1085276;1428024810;BingoBoingo;Sweet 1085277;1428024855;cazalla;Cogburn, maybe you should take that up with the surfs up guy instead of us? he wrote it afterall 1085278;1428024874;ben_vulpes;Cogburn: get in the wot? 1085279;1428024880;Cogburn;here's my key ID 1085280;1428024883;ben_vulpes;just so's i can take ye seriously? 1085281;1428024884;Cogburn;had to dig that shit out 1085282;1428024885;Cogburn;26F3050C 1085283;1428024889;danielpbarron;Cogburn, tell it to assbot 1085284;1428024891;danielpbarron;!h 1085285;1428024891;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1085286;1428024892;ben_vulpes;Cogburn: you savvy wot? 1085287;1428024896;Cogburn;danke 1085288;1428024910;funkenstein_;i'm interested in riaacoin 1085289;1428024974;Cogburn;who isn't :) 1085290;1428024983;Cogburn;its not alt. it's bitcoin 1085291;1428025001;danielpbarron;"I've developed what I call a Bitcoin Circadian Rhythm. I've noticed my body has begun aligning itself with the 10-minute block time of the Bitcoin Blockchain." << lolol 1085292;1428025010;Cogburn;total misquote 1085293;1428025016;Cogburn;but what are ya gonna do 1085294;1428025024;ben_vulpes;negrate the fucker 1085295;1428025029;ben_vulpes;if you're in the wot that is 1085296;1428025055;Cogburn;i think WoT's are kinda culty 1085297;1428025058;danielpbarron;so when you tweeted this article, you were using the hashtag "#awesome" in a sarcastic manner? 1085298;1428025092;Cogburn;I think it's awesome when people say my name. :) 1085299;1428025103;trinque;!b 3 1085300;1428025106;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2213JV8.txt ) 1085301;1428025115;trinque;those two lines in succession made me lol 1085302;1428025124;Cogburn;:) 1085303;1428025132;BingoBoingo; i think WoT's are kinda culty << It makes a decent shit filter though. The postitive ratings often are no where near as informative as the reasons for the negative ratings 1085304;1428025168;Cogburn;gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone. 1085305;1428025179;Cogburn;trustless systems are for people with trust issues 1085306;1428025181;Cogburn;:) 1085307;1428025186;*;danielpbarron stabs Cogburn 1085308;1428025214;danielpbarron;you know who gives really warm handshakes? scammers. 1085309;1428025228;Cogburn;i dunno. i shook josh garza's hand. unimpressed. 1085310;1428025242;danielpbarron;the same people who always have an explaination at the ready as to why they don't like WoTs 1085311;1428025254;BingoBoingo;Cogburn: Score are the least important thing about a WoT, walking the graph and reading the feedback is 1085312;1428025292;funkenstein_;for the record, i still think you're trolling us :) 1085313;1428025298;Cogburn;not at all 1085314;1428025315;Cogburn;I'm here specifically to remove that misconception 1085315;1428025315;cazalla;Cogburn, it's not so much the wot that can be gamed but yourself 1085316;1428025334;trinque;depends I think as well on initial conditions a great deal. 1085317;1428025340;Cogburn;I do agree with everything MP says, but I do respect him. that's sort of a necessary component of dialectic. 1085318;1428025348;Cogburn;*do not agree 1085319;1428025350;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: It's not that he's trolling. He's stuck in a wilder wester place 1085320;1428025359;Cogburn;We don't all have to agree. 1085321;1428025379;Cogburn;The consensus can be "go fuck yourself" 1085322;1428025381;Cogburn;:) 1085323;1428025385;BingoBoingo;Disagreement is the most valuable thing in the world, especially when its informed 1085324;1428025388;Cogburn;^ 1085325;1428025504;Cogburn;I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no" 1085326;1428025550;Cogburn;*by using 1085327;1428025559;funkenstein_;itunes 1085328;1428025593;cazalla;Cogburn, do you read the logs? you seem to have joined pretty quickly after my mentioning of that lulzy article 1085329;1428025605;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Everyone reads the logs 1085330;1428025607;danielpbarron;i told him to join 1085331;1428025609;Cogburn;https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/583802621011501056 1085332;1428025610;assbot;The Antagonist of /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hashhttp://t.co/j9a3G5bvDS via /CoinReportNews/hashtag/Awesome?src=hash 1085333;1428025615;Cogburn;I was invited and I accepted :) 1085334;1428025624;BingoBoingo;cazalla: And if they don't danielpbarron offers them the chance 1085335;1428025638;Cogburn;I do not go where I am not wanted. I'll talk with anyone who wants to talk. 1085336;1428025659;danielpbarron;yeah well you're wearing out my patience with all the spammy smily faces 1085337;1428025663;funkenstein_;do you use itunes? 1085338;1428025669;cazalla;ah, fair enough then 1085339;1428025669;funkenstein_;any of you? 1085340;1428025696;Cogburn;i smile all the time. don't be so grumpy 1085341;1428025744;danielpbarron;and so far all you have to say might as well have been copy pasted from the top comment on a reddit post 1085342;1428025792;BingoBoingo;!up CryptoDustin 1085343;1428025797;Cogburn;Maybe.. but it's my post and my thoughts and you're the one reading articles about me and bitching, so there is that 1085344;1428025801;CryptoDustin;<3 1085345;1428025854;Cogburn;MP doesn't have the market cornered on being crazy. some of us are just fucking nuts as he is. just not as rich. yet. 1085346;1428025871;danielpbarron;who says he is crazy? 1085347;1428025888;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: He's going off in a way we find weird. Maybe it ends up kinda fruitful. 1085348;1428025912;Cogburn;many people. i fully support his threat to fork bitcoin if gavin's block expansion goes through. he's 100% correct that it is an economic alteration to the network and not simple technical 1085349;1428025930;danielpbarron;what?? he has threatened no such thing 1085350;1428025931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00027 = 13.8105 BTC [-] 1085351;1428025938;danielpbarron;gavin is the one threatening a fork 1085352;1428025940;Cogburn;... i'm pretty sure he did 1085353;1428025950;Cogburn;gavin has the keys. he's "that guy" 1085354;1428025954;danielpbarron;what keys? 1085355;1428025963;Cogburn;that's metaphorical 1085356;1428025966;danielpbarron;the ones snipped from the code because they mean nothing? 1085357;1428025972;trinque;Cogburn: with nothing grounding it to reality 1085358;1428025983;Cogburn;that's right 1085359;1428025983;danielpbarron;http://thebitcoin.foundation/turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz 1085360;1428025983;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCnJeK ) 1085361;1428025986;Cogburn;it's 100% bullshit 1085362;1428025993;Cogburn;that's why MP is right 1085363;1428025999;BingoBoingo;Cogburn> gavin has the keys. he's "that guy" << Thermos also has a copy of the "Keys" 1085364;1428026011;Cogburn;poor choice of words on my part 1085365;1428026022;trinque;no problem, but that is the core of the issue 1085366;1428026036;trinque;these clowns are no more "the bitcoin guys" than anyone else 1085367;1428026038;danielpbarron;gavin has the attention poor people who think that talking about bitcoin makes them a part of it somehow 1085368;1428026045;Cogburn;pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client? 1085369;1428026048;funkenstein_;Alert keys. I hope somebody pushes a cosbycoin message through someday :) 1085370;1428026053;Cogburn;it gets really existential really quickly 1085371;1428026066;danielpbarron;Cogburn, the reference client is here 1085372;1428026080;danielpbarron;not github 1085373;1428026089;funkenstein_;what is the internet if not microsoft IE? 1085374;1428026116;Cogburn;there's an article from late 2013 and i wish i could find it entitled "What if Bitcoin turned Evil?" 1085375;1428026125;Cogburn;21.co get $120m to make ASICs 1085376;1428026140;Cogburn;let's say they end up to comprise 70% of the network 1085377;1428026144;Cogburn;and add 100m coins 1085378;1428026146;danielpbarron;if you think socialism is good, then bitcoin is evil to you 1085379;1428026151;Cogburn;what are you gonna do about it? 1085380;1428026169;funkenstein_;reject the blocks 1085381;1428026171;danielpbarron;i'm gonna keep running my node that ignores their invalid blocks 1085382;1428026180;Cogburn;so there's now 2 bitcoins 1085383;1428026185;danielpbarron;do i care that hundreds of altcoins exist? nope. 1085384;1428026188;trinque;yes but which diverged? 1085385;1428026205;Cogburn;according to consensus, the 70% wins, right? 1085386;1428026207;danielpbarron;well seeing as how i'm using a node which didn't change rules.. 1085387;1428026211;Cogburn;but that's a single entity 1085388;1428026214;funkenstein_;$120m to make orphans 1085389;1428026237;funkenstein_;what's next an riaa-controlled blockchain? 1085390;1428026240;danielpbarron;the consensus of whom? you still have to sell those 100m coins 1085391;1428026244;Cogburn;Looking deeper, that's a silicon valley brain child 1085392;1428026246;BingoBoingo; according to consensus, the 70% wins, right? << The beautiful thing about concensus is how many releases have been make since $100+ BTC which must agree 1085393;1428026261;Cogburn;that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain 1085394;1428026283;danielpbarron;good for them. seriously good riddance 1085395;1428026294;danielpbarron;they can have their USGcoin 1085396;1428026303;trinque;and if the economic implications of their fork eventually make the thing worthless, the original will have the posture towards it that it has towards fiat 1085397;1428026310;danielpbarron;!up Cogburn 1085398;1428026314;danielpbarron;get in the WoT would ya 1085399;1428026320;Cogburn;No 1085400;1428026323;Cogburn;Hehe 1085401;1428026327;Cogburn; I truly hope MP is interested in this because if he wanted to compete with 21.co I would be very down to help. 1085402;1428026360;danielpbarron;if you want to help, the first step is getting in the WoT 1085403;1428026363;trinque;Cogburn: ...sounds like a great reason to register so that you may retain voice and discuss that with him 1085404;1428026365;danielpbarron;that is no optional 1085405;1428026392;danielpbarron;Cogburn, http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/ 1085406;1428026394;assbot;IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCpgkR ) 1085407;1428026449;Cogburn;aww that's really cute 1085408;1428026480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13817 @ 0.00027026 = 3.7342 BTC [+] 1085409;1428026481;BingoBoingo;Cogburn: As someone else from the borderlands between the middle west and the middle south of the US I swear the WoT doesn't hurt that much 1085410;1428026481;Cogburn;However I'm already 32 degree freemason, so thank you but no thank you 1085411;1428026530;trinque;^ cold mothafucka 1085412;1428026602;Cogburn;You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right? 1085413;1428026610;Cogburn;You sacrifice anonymity? 1085414;1428026613;danielpbarron;lol. 1085415;1428026622;Cogburn;I'm okay with just a quick visit. 1085416;1428026641;BingoBoingo; You sacrifice anonymity? << You also gain insurance 1085417;1428026663;Cogburn;For what? People come to my coffee house from bitcoin every few months. 1085418;1428026668;trinque;no one connected to the internet on any device that exists has anonymity 1085419;1428026670;Cogburn;You're welcome, too 1085420;1428026693;danielpbarron;anonymity is overrated, and it isn't for the poor anyway 1085421;1428026699;BingoBoingo;Cogburn: Did you not see mircea_popescu's insurance policy against Obola seizures? 1085422;1428026703;Cogburn;anonymity is a choice 1085423;1428026704;danielpbarron;and nobody is forcing you to register your slave name 1085424;1428026740;BingoBoingo;Cogburn: I mean you did Changetip ISIS... 1085425;1428026751;trinque;loooooool 1085426;1428026755;Cogburn;hahahaha 1085427;1428026827;BingoBoingo;Cogburn: Of all people you might have an interest in sticking your head out here from time to time and getting friendly with people. 1085428;1428026847;BingoBoingo;!b 4 1085429;1428026850;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Y027Q5.txt ) 1085430;1428026898;asciilifeform;lol what even is this. 1085431;1428026925;danielpbarron;some guy who thinks he is a big name in bitcoin but needs to acknowledge that he is currently a nobody in the realm that counts 1085432;1428026940;asciilifeform; http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE << this is actually -correct- behaviour - barfs instead of pulling in system's ssl headers 1085433;1428026941;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCr4un ) 1085434;1428026951;BingoBoingo; lol what even is this. << Rooster Cogburn's a Marshall on the altcoin wild west 1085435;1428026967;Cogburn;I am very friendly. I was invited and I showed up. 1085436;1428026973;Cogburn;I do have things to do 1085437;1428026981;asciilifeform; simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t ... << aaaaand this is where my patch in turn b0rks the thing. 'the doctor cured the patient's ear, but did poke out an eye, i fear' 1085438;1428026985;Cogburn;There's always twitter 1085439;1428027001;funkenstein_;thanks for stopping by 1085440;1428027017;asciilifeform;'Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu...' << l0l 1085441;1428027029;Cogburn;it's a pleasure. i'm glad i did. i didn't realize that people thought i hated MP or something. I don't hate anyone. Life is too short. 1085442;1428027034;BingoBoingo; There's always twitter << Stop by again. Just remember on Twitter danielpbarron tends to bite harder than here. 1085443;1428027082;asciilifeform;Cogburn: where do you know (?) mircea_popescu from ? 1085444;1428027085;Cogburn;being critical isn't hate. i'm not above being criticized. I do and say dumb shit like anyone does. I'm also kinda nuts. 1085445;1428027087;cazalla;Cogburn, it's your friend who gave such an impression, not us 1085446;1428027087;Cogburn;shut happens 1085447;1428027089;Cogburn;*shit 1085448;1428027091;danielpbarron;when condensing thoughts into 140 characters i tend to chop out the nice sounding bits leaving only the necessary harsh words 1085449;1428027119;Cogburn;twitter is like conversation in haiku 1085450;1428027127;trinque;Cogburn: I'm still waiting on an elaboration of this disagreement 1085451;1428027133;Cogburn;MP and I had a little row at the end of 2013 and I think that's where it stemmed from 1085452;1428027146;asciilifeform; pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client? << actually Cogburn is right. it very much -is- the reference client. which lives here: http://therealbitcoin.org 1085453;1428027147;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBlXID ) 1085454;1428027154;Cogburn;I literally cannot remember the context 1085455;1428027159;Cogburn;I have no idea what we were talking about 1085456;1428027197;danielpbarron;when in doubt, check the log -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085254 1085457;1428027197;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 01:30:49; Cogburn: we disagree. that's not hate. 1085458;1428027210;asciilifeform;but could not remember what disagreed about ? 1085459;1428027212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00027 = 6.966 BTC [-] 1085460;1428027219;BingoBoingo;!s Bryce 1085461;1428027220;assbot;5 results for 'Bryce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Bryce 1085462;1428027227;Cogburn;i remember the disagreement. there was someone else in it too... i can't remember 1085463;1428027246;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533483 1085464;1428027246;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2014 21:09:12; mircea_popescu: anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ? 1085465;1428027260;Cogburn;i just don't remember what it was about. some esoteric point of anarcho capitalism or some such. 1085466;1428027270;Cogburn;awww 1085467;1428027272;Cogburn;<3 1085468;1428027294;BingoBoingo;Things happen, hopefully people learn 1085469;1428027314;asciilifeform; You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right? << it's more of a signed confession than 'forensic' anything. like the american 'declaration of independence.' 'we hang together or hang separately,' etc. 1085470;1428027323;Cogburn;fair 1085471;1428027333;Cogburn;I'll consider it. 1085472;1428027377;Cogburn;I hadn't seen it expressed that way before 1085473;1428027394;asciilifeform; that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain << have you ever seen a tram in the third world ? 1085474;1428027400;asciilifeform;or a train 1085475;1428027408;asciilifeform;notice all the folks hanging off the sides, on the roof ? 1085476;1428027454;asciilifeform;now, are they 'passengers' ? 1085477;1428027470;Cogburn;Let's assume my RIAA project is real. Let's assume it happens, and partners with TIDAL for content provision. If 1,000,000 people listen to 3 minute songs for 1 hour, that's 3,000,000+ TX per block in microtransactions. 1085478;1428027480;asciilifeform;and, do the folks -inside- - who paid for their tickets - need them for anything? does the train need them ? 1085479;1428027481;Cogburn;I understand your analogy better than you think. 1085480;1428027499;asciilifeform;Cogburn: there are more lucrative ways to fleece idiots, you know 1085481;1428027578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31638 @ 0.00027 = 8.5423 BTC [-] 1085482;1428027583;asciilifeform;Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al. 1085483;1428027589;asciilifeform;and am not alone in this. 1085484;1428027601;asciilifeform;especially if the sum gets subtracted in human flesh. 1085485;1428027603;funkenstein_;george clinton would agree 1085486;1428027604;Cogburn;I understand. I also appreciate where it is that I say these things. 1085487;1428027618;Cogburn;This is not what I would call a "receptive audience" to my idea. 1085488;1428027635;Cogburn;When we announce officially, I will come back and AMA 1085489;1428027671;mod6; asciilifeform: so, If I wanna play around, I should try gxemul before qemu? 1085490;1428027685;asciilifeform;the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business 1085491;1428027692;asciilifeform;instead of residing in extermination camps. 1085492;1428027724;Cogburn;I think that RIAA is tired of getting fucked by new technology and drank their own koolaid. 1085493;1428027735;Cogburn;I could be wrong. 1085494;1428027744;funkenstein_;musicians are also tired of getting fucked by the riaa 1085495;1428027755;Cogburn;everyone is tired of getting fucked 1085496;1428027758;Cogburn;that's kinda the point 1085497;1428027760;funkenstein_;lol 1085498;1428027766;Cogburn;we can fix that 1085499;1428027782;Cogburn;that's what my project aims to do 1085500;1428027783;*;BingoBoingo impressed there is so much lag between axe time and sword time 1085501;1428027796;asciilifeform;Cogburn: from what i read so far, it seems like your 'fix' still involves armed thugs threatening murder to create a 'market.' 1085502;1428027803;Cogburn;if things are going to change, we first have to stop getting fuced 1085503;1428027809;Cogburn;*fucked 1085504;1428027816;Cogburn;stop fucking over each other 1085505;1428027823;Cogburn;then things just change on their own 1085506;1428027829;Cogburn;nice and easy 1085507;1428027851;asciilifeform;pass the lsd plz. 1085508;1428027853;trinque;like that time in history where things went nice and easy 1085509;1428027862;Cogburn;Rome 1085510;1428027869;Cogburn;Say what you want, it fucking worked. 1085511;1428027892;danielpbarron;ah, so you are also in favor of slavery? 1085512;1428027900;asciilifeform;Cogburn: worked -when- ? 1085513;1428027904;Cogburn;how's your paycheck? 1085514;1428027911;Cogburn;are you self employed? 1085515;1428027917;asciilifeform;Cogburn: please specify -when- rome 'worked' 1085516;1428027922;Cogburn;don't talk to me of slavery if you are paid a wage 1085517;1428027932;danielpbarron;i am in favor of slavery 1085518;1428027941;BingoBoingo;Garret Kierns for the record https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58893 1085519;1428027942;assbot;View the profile of Surf Capital Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCutJp ) 1085520;1428027947;Cogburn;slavery in our time is a choice 1085521;1428027963;Cogburn;i'm okay with that, so long as there is a choice 1085522;1428027998;danielpbarron;it's always a choice.. between doing as your master says or being beaten 1085523;1428028007;danielpbarron;or starving to death in the wilderness 1085524;1428028009;Cogburn;I appreciate some people just don't want to deal with some shit. That doesn't make them bad. 1085525;1428028066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00027 = 7.695 BTC [-] 1085526;1428028068;trinque;I think ultimately people will choose whatever gives them the best life, and the sad current condition is that this is what they've chosen, because this is all they can see. 1085527;1428028085;Cogburn;I think you're right. 1085528;1428028100;trinque;now, how do you demonstrate that there's a different way of being, defining the world, etc 1085529;1428028125;danielpbarron;slavery isn't the problem with the current state of affairs; it's this mentality of "i should get to eat while also talking back to my master" that has to go 1085530;1428028135;trinque;many ways, probably. but I think it's naive to think that transition happens all nice and easy like 1085531;1428028155;asciilifeform;!up Cogburn 1085532;1428028166;Cogburn;Thank you 1085533;1428028199;Cogburn;I think those of us who get this blockchain bitcoin magic internet money bullshit have the opportunity to demonstrate and lead by example. Quite frankly IDGAF if MP is crazy or I disagree. I think he's doing it right. I think he knows he's doing it right, too :) 1085534;1428028229;Cogburn;It's a tool that provides an opportunity to do something truly different with the world. To take advantage, we must be different. 1085535;1428028265;asciilifeform;Cogburn: i'm rather curious re: what you believe mircea_popescu is doing. 'right' or otherwise. 1085536;1428028272;Cogburn;Leading by example. 1085537;1428028280;Cogburn;"This is my way. Like, don't like, DGAF." 1085538;1428028286;Cogburn;A choice. 1085539;1428028293;asciilifeform;Cogburn: and which 'way' is that ? 1085540;1428028310;asciilifeform;i mean, what does it concretely mean, in your mind 1085541;1428028343;Cogburn;Dunno. Not my problem. I know he has one. I know he's passionate about it. That's what I think is important. The rest is how history will remember our efforts. 1085542;1428028390;asciilifeform;let's say i said 'i think dijkstra was doing it right.' that would imply that i am in favour of structured programming, against the use of 'goto', and in favour of 99.999% of programming students being flunked and similar fraction of the practitioners of that profession - being fired. 1085543;1428028407;asciilifeform;if i say that i -disagree- with dijkstra - then i do not believe these things. 1085544;1428028410;Cogburn;I'm an order out of chaos sort of guy. 1085545;1428028422;Cogburn;I see what's going on. No issues from me. 1085546;1428028427;mircea_popescu;dude who the hell raped the logs. 1085547;1428028435;asciilifeform;Cogburn: are you able to describe even one of the concepts you agree or disagree with mircea_popescu about? or do you just dislike his beard ? 1085548;1428028444;asciilifeform;am i talking to a perl script ? 1085549;1428028449;asciilifeform;late 4/1 joke ? 1085550;1428028493;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone ever got rms' new autoreply ? the one where he goes "i'm on a 48 hour delay like mpex" ? 1085551;1428028510;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Bryce showed up 1085552;1428028524;mircea_popescu;who ? 1085553;1428028537;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rms' autoreply << never got, but the 48 hour thing is not, afaik, new. he has someone read the mail and pass it on (or not) 1085554;1428028537;BingoBoingo;!s Bryce 1085555;1428028538;assbot;5 results for 'Bryce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Bryce 1085556;1428028542;Cogburn;Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you 1085557;1428028569;asciilifeform;Cogburn: so was it the beard ? or an actual position ? 1085558;1428028572;Cogburn;I apparently did an interview with a blogger antagonistic to you and I wanted to clarify any guilt by association 1085559;1428028594;Cogburn;Okay. I did not ever think that bitcoin would outperform BH. 1085560;1428028609;mircea_popescu;interview ? who for ? wut ? 1085561;1428028676;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: With Surf Captial Management kid 1085562;1428028710;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084140 << magically, i have never seen any of this irl 1085563;1428028710;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 14:59:47; asciilifeform: what a crock of shit! 1085564;1428028717;mircea_popescu;where is this thing used by millions ? 1085565;1428028731;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'used' has a very peculiar meaning here 1085566;1428028746;asciilifeform;sorta like high fructose syrup is 'used' 1085567;1428028751;danielpbarron;cazalla, Patch.com reports the arrest of a Massachusetts man who sort to purchase a firearm << should be "sought to purchase" ? 1085568;1428028758;asciilifeform;as in, fed to unsuspecting bipedal cattle 1085569;1428028768;cazalla;danielpbarron, ty 1085570;1428028771;mircea_popescu;but i never seen one. 1085571;1428028792;mircea_popescu;how does it even work, you hash the "public key" and then multiply it with something ? sorta halfass rsa ? 1085572;1428028799;cazalla; Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you <<< not people, your friend from coinwhatever website 1085573;1428028815;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: since it isn't an actual cryptosystem, you will never -see- it. instead, the bank account of that clown and his university 'sees' the royalties from idiot usg affiliates proclaiming to 'use' it. 1085574;1428028835;mircea_popescu;ah one of those. mkay. 1085575;1428028846;asciilifeform;http://www.voltage.com/technology/identity-based-encryption << him 1085576;1428028848;assbot;Identity-Based Encryption (IBE), Boneh-Franklin Algorithm, Private Key Generation, Key Certificates, Cryptography Methods | Voltage Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCxycx ) 1085577;1428028849;mircea_popescu;not that the idea is without merit. 1085578;1428028859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21184 @ 0.00027029 = 5.7258 BTC [+] {2} 1085579;1428028883;asciilifeform;1) idiot generates a 'public key' by his email, or name, being hashed 1085580;1428028890;mircea_popescu;any random string being hashable, any random string could be used as a pubkey, in principle. may take some work to mine a usable privkey to go with it, but... 1085581;1428028895;asciilifeform;2) usg generates a private key to 'go with' the public 1085582;1428028901;asciilifeform;by virtue of the hash being malleable 1085583;1428028908;asciilifeform;then they live happily ever after 1085584;1428028910;asciilifeform;in buttfuck embrace 1085585;1428028913;mircea_popescu;lol how is this encryption 1085586;1428028920;asciilifeform;same way american 'food' is food 1085587;1428028936;mircea_popescu;no but i mean for srs. this could actually be done correctly 1085588;1428028938;mircea_popescu;drive them out of market. 1085589;1428028940;asciilifeform;'encryption-flavoured extruded product' 1085590;1428028946;mircea_popescu;(yeah yeah i know, as if) 1085591;1428028946;asciilifeform;correctly?! 1085592;1428028966;mircea_popescu;why couldn't i have arbitrary pubkey ? 1085593;1428028973;asciilifeform;you can right now 1085594;1428028977;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1085595;1428028981;asciilifeform;e.g. 'vanitygen' 1085596;1428029015;mircea_popescu;prolly the bruteforce approach doesn't deliver 100%. 1085597;1428029056;asciilifeform;but the asymmetry is required for honest crypto. i.e. if mr luser can determine a privkey to go with luser@luserdom.com than so can you and i 1085598;1428029098;mircea_popescu;hm 1085599;1428029129;mircea_popescu;i suppose you're right - this service existing is sufficient prooof what it's serving isn't crypto. 1085600;1428029134;asciilifeform;it's a 'keybase'. 1085601;1428029141;asciilifeform;for all i know, 'keybase' is a licensee 1085602;1428029146;mircea_popescu;lol 1085603;1428029148;asciilifeform;i suppose one can patent a chumpatron. 1085604;1428029152;mircea_popescu;gotta spend that "seed money" somehow. 1085605;1428029164;asciilifeform;'scheme for relieving idiots of their...' 1085606;1428029233;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084166 << no, implication is "our readership is moronic" 1085607;1428029233;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 15:06:45; asciilifeform: What You Need to Know About the Unsealed Silk Road Docket << i do so hate these 'what you need to know' titles. implication is that no serious person would need to know anything else 1085608;1428029257;asciilifeform;i haven't seen anything as insulting to the intelligence of the reader as 'voltage security co.' in many years. 1085609;1428029279;asciilifeform;because, possibly, the flavour of being targeted at folks who go in for cryptological maths, rather than garden-variety schmucks 1085610;1428029306;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's targeted at folks who think the usg is a good idea and windows an operating system. 1085611;1428029306;asciilifeform;it's one thing to pitch 'proof that 1=2' to third-grade children, another - to maths grad students 1085612;1428029320;mircea_popescu;depends. stanford grads prolly buy it. 1085613;1428029328;mircea_popescu;if mit grads anything to go by. 1085614;1428029349;asciilifeform;on the flip side, it gives an almost p.t. barnum-esque air of loud, profanely farting cynical hucksterism. nostalgic. 1085615;1428029384;asciilifeform;sorta the same feeling i used to get when i was a regular reader of 'secret' forums for spammers 1085616;1428029399;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084204 << if you recall, that was taken off because that's how sa owned the forum back during mtgox 1 cent days 1085617;1428029399;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 15:27:23; nubbins`: wow, the latest DDOS attack against the forum seems to have reinstated the ability to change/add avatars 1085618;1428029405;mircea_popescu;so go ahead, sql inject it. 1085619;1428029440;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform those forums... sorta tardstalk before the bitcoin. 1085620;1428029469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00027 = 3.699 BTC [-] 1085621;1428029470;asciilifeform;aha. they even had own 'spamcoins' (using - now, long-dead - centralized spam-money services) 1085622;1428029492;mircea_popescu;people are generally stupid in the same ways. 1085623;1428029505;asciilifeform;it is rare to see an entirely novel stupid invented. 1085624;1428029545;mircea_popescu;kinda why you'd expect governments to do better than they are, really. 1085625;1428029580;asciilifeform;incidentally, one idea for writersey folks - taxonomy of the meaningfully-different forms of bad crypto. 1085626;1428029589;pete_dushenski;token "hey look it's pete" scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/02/mean-streets/ 1085627;1428029590;assbot;Mean Streets. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCAeH8 ) 1085628;1428029600;asciilifeform;https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt << based possibly on this. or in essay form 1085629;1428029601;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCAg1J ) 1085630;1428029670;mircea_popescu;definite flavour of malus enumeratio 1085631;1428029682;asciilifeform;not as a serious guide for humans ! 1085632;1428029686;asciilifeform;as a massage. 1085633;1428029697;asciilifeform;jjust like spamsolutions.txt is not a textbook 1085634;1428029733;asciilifeform;enumerations of fallacies - and especially of scams - are not useless 1085635;1428029758;asciilifeform;even if there is a universe full of falsehood. as pointed out, stupidity cuts into equivalence classes. 1085636;1428029776;mircea_popescu;( ) Extreme profitability of spam << i take it this was 2000ish ? 1085637;1428029782;asciilifeform;earlier. 1085638;1428029795;mircea_popescu;myeah. meanwhile that problem took care of itself. 1085639;1428029796;asciilifeform;iirc written no later than '97 1085640;1428029879;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084246 << wait. wut ?! 1085641;1428029879;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:45; thestringpuller: no. i'm going to have to cancel for family reasons related to finance 1085642;1428029932;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084266 << i don't think this will work. 1085643;1428029932;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 16:06:28; asciilifeform: nor should nubbins`, or ben_vulpes, or the rest. 1085644;1428029955;mircea_popescu;conceivably this will come down to "use so and so, version no later than X, and you will have to either not use sound or use one of these sound cards" 1085645;1428029975;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or the other thing i suggested 1085646;1428029985;BingoBoingo;!up Cogburn 1085647;1428029988;mircea_popescu;what, "posix" ? that's not a thing 1085648;1428029991;asciilifeform;it being, what folks do in school. emulate a machine that is described on half a sheet of paper 1085649;1428030005;asciilifeform;with instruction set such-and-such, this much ram, etc. 1085650;1428030014;asciilifeform;(see rest of thread) 1085651;1428030025;mircea_popescu;emulators are seriously a very bad idea for this. 1085652;1428030031;Cogburn;thank, you but you need not keep voicing me. I'll consider the invitation for the WoT. Glad to clear some things up. Have a great night. 1085653;1428030035;mircea_popescu;i can appreciate the ... spherical chicken appeal. 1085654;1428030051;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i do this in life. if you have a reasonably-fast computer, it is tolerable. 1085655;1428030068;asciilifeform;now this'd be for -builds- 1085656;1428030072;asciilifeform;not for running bitcoind -in-. 1085657;1428030074;mircea_popescu;it's a bad idea. 1085658;1428030096;asciilifeform;it is. 1085659;1428030100;mircea_popescu;you're fighting shit with a taller tower. of shit. 1085660;1428030103;asciilifeform;but no one has suggested a good idea. 1085661;1428030116;mircea_popescu;how about debian sarge ? 1085662;1428030128;asciilifeform;can i re-create it ? 1085663;1428030134;asciilifeform;without downloading bins 1085664;1428030134;mircea_popescu;3.x 1085665;1428030143;mircea_popescu;i think you should STILL be able to yes. 1085666;1428030147;mircea_popescu;but back in 2005, definitely. 1085667;1428030153;mircea_popescu;!up E8888____ 1085668;1428030155;asciilifeform;i mean, with my existing compilers. 1085669;1428030166;mircea_popescu;with its own. it's a whole complete universe. 1085670;1428030172;asciilifeform;aha so i gotta download bins 1085671;1428030173;mircea_popescu;not sure about yours, mebbe worth a shit 1085672;1428030174;asciilifeform;ick. 1085673;1428030181;mircea_popescu;shot* 1085674;1428030197;asciilifeform;besides we had someone try specifically it - ben_vulpes ? 1085675;1428030205;mircea_popescu;we did / 1085676;1428030205;asciilifeform;and turned out that it has a lying gcc 1085677;1428030210;mircea_popescu;no ? 1085678;1428030216;asciilifeform;which includes a type not defined in the src. 1085679;1428030225;asciilifeform;(see yesterday's zoological find) 1085680;1428030258;BingoBoingo;http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/04/hospitalist-becomes-own-endless-loop/ 1085681;1428030259;assbot;Hospitalist Becomes Own Endless Loop | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCCpKV ) 1085682;1428030267;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084286 << this is a correct approach, the problem seems to be however that compilers don't work properly. 1085683;1428030267;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 16:09:47; mod6: Ok, so say that you have installed via offical docs, bla bla bla. Ok, then our release doesn't work. But we need to fix defects, and I refuse to have this happen going forward. So we need something repeatable. 1085684;1428030283;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wasn't aware that was on deb sarge. 1085685;1428030289;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes awake ? 1085686;1428030293;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what did you use ? 1085687;1428030320;BingoBoingo;It was all very surreal. The nurse told me my patient had arrived on the ward. I told her I was the patient. She apparently thought I was making an existential statement and replied arent we all just the sum of our patients and our patience. I know, it doesnt make any sense to me either now, but at the time it was profound, because, you know, dilaudid. 1085688;1428030328;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-04-2015#1082482 1085689;1428030328;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 19:08:25; ben_vulpes: ascii_field, nubbins`: debian 6.0.10 1085690;1428030344;mircea_popescu;that is not sarge. 1085691;1428030351;*;asciilifeform consults table 1085692;1428030352;mircea_popescu;that is 3 major revisions later. looks like modern. 1085693;1428030356;asciilifeform;aha. 1085694;1428030373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: be so kind as to try the build on one of your debians ? 1085695;1428030392;asciilifeform;untar and ./auto.sh 1085696;1428030394;mircea_popescu;i didn't take any across the ocean ;/ 1085697;1428030397;asciilifeform;damn. 1085698;1428030414;mircea_popescu;well how the fuck was i to know a year later ima be all the way up in thompsoncpp 1085699;1428030432;mircea_popescu;but yes, the execration has occured to me a number of times. 1085700;1428030435;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i once seriously toyed with the idea of building with borland cpp 3 1085701;1428030444;asciilifeform;you know, -that- one 1085702;1428030458;mircea_popescu;then again if THAT didn't work it wouldn't surprise me. 1085703;1428030461;asciilifeform;http://borlandc.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Screenshot1.png 1085704;1428030463;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpoWoM ) 1085705;1428030482;asciilifeform;i still miss that thing. 1085706;1428030484;mircea_popescu;yes i had it, my f9 was illegible 1085707;1428030488;asciilifeform;aha 1085708;1428030496;mircea_popescu;note btw your ss is in romanian. 1085709;1428030506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32427 @ 0.00027 = 8.7553 BTC [-] 1085710;1428030506;asciilifeform;unsurprisingly 1085711;1428030537;Adlai;BingoBoingo: no, the best part: McSwagger was awakened from a deep sleep by his pager, only to find out that he was being called by his own nurse, apparently because he needed something for sleep 1085712;1428030545;BingoBoingo;lol 1085713;1428030679;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084315 << you're more than welcome to play with an emulator if you wish to broaden your horizon, but it is broadly inadequate for what we're trying to do here. 1085714;1428030679;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 16:16:41; nubbins`: so maybe we can start there 1085715;1428030685;*;pete_dushenski reading logs, smacked with similarities between weiner / cogburn and charlie from mean streets 1085716;1428030712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the problem is that the pc architecture (as a standard that you can hard-hold a vendor to) is dead. 1085717;1428030723;asciilifeform;e.g., i literally can't buy my main pc again. 1085718;1428030733;mircea_popescu;this is a problem. 1085719;1428030737;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWV-mfMdw8 << if this be the same weiner that keeps derping with seamonster 1085720;1428030738;assbot;Bitcoin Chat With Crypto Mogul Bryce Weiner! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HppT0m ) 1085721;1428030742;asciilifeform;possibly, very slowly, out of antiquarian collectible parts. 1085722;1428030750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25155 @ 0.00027 = 6.7919 BTC [-] 1085723;1428030756;asciilifeform;of fuck knows what provenance. 1085724;1428030757;mircea_popescu;but pretending like magic works isn't a solution to it. 1085725;1428030764;asciilifeform;magic? 1085726;1428030767;mircea_popescu;yes. 1085727;1428030792;mircea_popescu;look, qemu is essentially a hypervisor. 1085728;1428030796;asciilifeform;nope. 1085729;1428030802;mircea_popescu;if hypervisors fixed bad osen microsoft'd have been long fixed. 1085730;1428030808;asciilifeform;when used as classical qemu (with accelerator) there is no hypervisor 1085731;1428030811;asciilifeform;can emulate pc on vax 1085732;1428030813;asciilifeform;or vax on pc 1085733;1428030817;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/federal-agent-sells-firearms-via-darknet-market/ 1085734;1428030841;asciilifeform;hypervisor is a very other animal, where certain instructions are emulated ('sensitive' ring0 ones) while most execute naked. 1085735;1428030845;mircea_popescu;but only provided the underlying os behaves. 1085736;1428030847;asciilifeform;popular hypervisor: vmware 1085737;1428030879;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we have a confusion of terminology here. an emulator is, for instance, 'zsnes' - popular 'super nintendo' emul 1085738;1428030894;asciilifeform;works on soviet 'elbrus' as well as american '486' 1085739;1428030904;mircea_popescu;yes. 1085740;1428030920;asciilifeform;and regardless of what the nintendo proggy does, cannot crash the elbrus 1085741;1428030933;mircea_popescu;so far this is a hypervisor. 1085742;1428030935;asciilifeform;because we are essentially interpreting the snes instructions 1085743;1428030938;asciilifeform;nope. 1085744;1428030954;asciilifeform;hypervisor has a specific meaning 1085745;1428030955;mircea_popescu;"works on another machine. check. client can't crash kernel. check" 1085746;1428030971;mircea_popescu;yes. that special meaning is "runs vms" 1085747;1428030993;asciilifeform;actually the rub with hypervisor is that the 'guest' -can- affect the 'host' quite often. 1085748;1428031007;mircea_popescu;but this because hypervisor is badly implemented. 1085749;1428031011;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article17061476.html 1085750;1428031012;assbot;Teen son of Canadian Consul General arrested after brother killed in drug deal | Miami Herald Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpqDCK ) 1085751;1428031077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the short version of the difference is that a 'hypervisor' emulates -certain- instructions, that are understood to modify the global state of the machine in ways which would allow the guest os to monopolize the hardware (e.g., write a block to the disk at index I) whereas an emulator emulates -all- instructions executed by the guest 1085752;1428031084;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: how stupid and ballsy are these consul's kids that they "planned to rob the drug dealers " 1085753;1428031102;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a minor point, but anyway. 1085754;1428031104;pete_dushenski;why can't they just buy coke from a classmate like normal kids of consuls ? 1085755;1428031106;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I dunno, what's going on in the Canadia 1085756;1428031109;asciilifeform;very major point in practice 1085757;1428031122;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski "The teens are the sons of Roxanne Dub, who only recently assumed the role of consul general in Miami. A former Fulbright scholar, she has extensive diplomatic experience, having worked as an aide in Parliament and as the ambassador to Zimbabwe." 1085758;1428031124;asciilifeform;hypervisor requires host and guest architectures to be same. 1085759;1428031126;mircea_popescu;and there you have your problem. 1085760;1428031137;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notrly. 1085761;1428031147;asciilifeform;emulator can be of anything you like, whether the computer from 'apollo' space probe, or one that i made up for the occasion. 1085762;1428031157;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: not that anything does, but "Wabafiyebazu" isn't that canadian 1085763;1428031161;mircea_popescu;plenty of 32 bit run on 64 bit that way for instance. 1085764;1428031169;asciilifeform;32 is subset 1085765;1428031172;pete_dushenski;s/does/is 1085766;1428031174;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Is Rob Ford contagious? 1085767;1428031192;asciilifeform;x86_64 contains specific provisions for running a process in 'short' (x86) mode 1085768;1428031210;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: you're closer to derpbama than i to ford ;) 1085769;1428031233;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, granted, it's "a better hypervisor". still runs on another os. 1085770;1428031233;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'll need to get a map to check that 1085771;1428031238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.0002719 = 8.4017 BTC [+] 1085772;1428031273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sometimes, you can take the contents of the emulator and - if it exists and you have it in your collection - run it on physical iron 1085773;1428031308;mircea_popescu;sometimes i fall asleep on one girl and wake up atop another. 1085774;1428031313;asciilifeform;same idea. 1085775;1428031322;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't propose this for anyone else. 1085776;1428031342;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is lieke 90% of what i'd want a 2nd pet for 1085777;1428031346;asciilifeform;2nd 'stator' 1085778;1428031353;asciilifeform;(if fella who turns, is 'rotor') 1085779;1428031358;mircea_popescu;inb short : it'd be great if emulators as you conceptually represent one existed and work. they do not. what we need is a distro to set in stone. 1085780;1428031373;asciilifeform;for fucks sake, they exist and i use them every day for past decade. 1085781;1428031387;mircea_popescu;are you running this in an emulator ? 1085782;1428031396;asciilifeform;'this' - no 1085783;1428031399;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1085784;1428031402;asciilifeform;most of what passes for my day job - yes 1085785;1428031412;asciilifeform;why not << because no reason to take 25x cpu hit 1085786;1428031413;mircea_popescu;most of which isn't bitcoind-like 1085787;1428031453;mircea_popescu;suppose your emulated bitcoind forks. what do you do ? 1085788;1428031468;asciilifeform;win turing prize. 1085789;1428031475;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1085790;1428031480;asciilifeform;spend on burial. 1085791;1428031539;asciilifeform;anyway the point, again, would not be to ever -run- bitcoind in the dog-slow emulated linux 1085792;1428031555;asciilifeform;but to cross-compile for normal machine (ibmpc, pogo, vax, whatever) 1085793;1428031574;asciilifeform;using -known- set of mechanisms. 1085794;1428031586;asciilifeform;as in, putting an actual cork in the os/libs/cpu/etc 1085795;1428031606;mircea_popescu;but this is essentially naive. because, again, the bitcoind is not the code you read, but the binary that runs. 1085796;1428031608;asciilifeform;as in 'here they are and this they shall be in 3015 running on Aldan-XVIII cpu' 1085797;1428031621;asciilifeform;yes, the bin. small enough to eventually disasm & read. 1085798;1428031633;mircea_popescu;if your binary that runs can not be run by your golden standard 1085799;1428031641;asciilifeform;can, why not. 1085800;1428031642;mircea_popescu;you essentially have managed to divorce a new academia out of engineering 1085801;1428031648;mircea_popescu;this is the last thing we want. 1085802;1428031667;asciilifeform;that'd be a monumentally strange thing to do. but not what suggested. 1085803;1428031679;asciilifeform;suggested nailing down a machine spec 1085804;1428031683;mircea_popescu;it is what'd happen. 1085805;1428031685;asciilifeform;that can be replicated 1085806;1428031697;asciilifeform;in the way that we are too poor (yes, poor) to do with tangible machine yet. 1085807;1428031697;mircea_popescu;how do you distinguish a bug in the os from a bug in the emulator from a bug in the code ? 1085808;1428031711;asciilifeform;that's the thing, bug in emulator is catastrophic 1085809;1428031722;asciilifeform;but think of it as a skyscraper foundation. there is tremendous pressure on it 1085810;1428031729;mircea_popescu;so you want me to pull in more code than the openssl. with worse risk outlook. 1085811;1428031739;mircea_popescu;and your explanation is... "Well many people checked it" 1085812;1428031747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when you dig out your old laptop with 'pentium I', guess what you're pulling in 1085813;1428031755;asciilifeform;at least emulator code - i can sit down & read. 1085814;1428031760;asciilifeform;try read internals of 'pentium I' 1085815;1428031790;mircea_popescu;except your emulator still runs on pentium i in question 1085816;1428031799;mircea_popescu;with who knows what dirty hacks everywhere to make it "portabler" 1085817;1428031801;asciilifeform;or soviet 'iskra' 1085818;1428031808;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, portability worst fucking idea in computing!) 1085819;1428031816;asciilifeform;or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room 1085820;1428031818;asciilifeform;or, or 1085821;1428031840;asciilifeform;or it runs in my head & a pencil 1085822;1428031842;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can't see this as anything but "adding more bad code". 1085823;1428031870;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is right, but in the same way as a fella taking penicillin is 'swallowing poison' 1085824;1428031874;asciilifeform;technically -yes. 1085825;1428031874;mircea_popescu;i don't have anything against running test versions of golden-bitcoind on anything, including toasters, gameboys, toasters emulated on gameboys etc 1085826;1428031881;mircea_popescu;but that's a different discussion. 1085827;1428031904;asciilifeform;ideally i would not even suggest something as terrifyingly unpleasant as - in effect - giving everyone a 486. 1085828;1428031908;asciilifeform;which is what emulator amounts to. 1085829;1428031928;asciilifeform;but what is the alternative whereby each of us ends up with 1) EXACTLY same machine 2) one we can still get 1000 years later 1085830;1428031938;asciilifeform;or even month later. 1085831;1428031946;mircea_popescu;no, we've not even come to the discussion where "it's entirely unclear desktop with bitcoind in quemu can even process blocks in 10 minutes each" 1085832;1428031953;mircea_popescu;we're still atthe principle of the matter. 1085833;1428031956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: believe or not - can. 1085834;1428031960;*;asciilifeform admits he tried 1085835;1428031967;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with trying it. 1085836;1428032039;asciilifeform;(on what? modest box circa '07) 1085837;1428032080;asciilifeform;but none of it changes the fundamentally bowel-loosening fact of discovering that 1) extant linuxen are incompatible in eldritch ways 2) that impact bitcoind build 1085838;1428032100;asciilifeform;and 3) static builds never really worked for items of any complexity 1085839;1428032123;asciilifeform;because 4) we have a rusted-solid 'luger' from 1941 1085840;1428032136;mircea_popescu;so far, i'm a) chasing whoever the fuck broke the world by making an idiotic libnss and b) unconvinced the problem's more than that dns bs. 1085841;1428032136;asciilifeform;that we tried to fire and somehow surprised 1085842;1428032149;asciilifeform;i think we shot (a) in the head 1085843;1428032162;mircea_popescu;hm 1085844;1428032164;mircea_popescu;? 1085845;1428032165;asciilifeform;(dns removal. but one more tumour growth left, the external-ip getter) 1085846;1428032205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084194 1085847;1428032205;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 15:17:35; asciilifeform: my dns seed snip patch never made it in the realease, did it 1085848;1428032211;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084387 << ahaha good one. 1085849;1428032211;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 16:32:29; nubbins`: but hey. the plural of anecdote is proof, yes? 1085850;1428032217;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform THE PROBLEM STILL EXISTS. 1085851;1428032220;mircea_popescu;even if not in our code anymore 1085852;1428032225;asciilifeform;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085084 1085853;1428032225;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 21:50:57; asciilifeform: bitcoin does not need dns for anythign! 1085854;1428032232;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, exists 1085855;1428032246;mircea_popescu;well yes. im chasing the culprit. i wish to know who the fuck thought this is a good idea. 1085856;1428032294;asciilifeform;i humbly request a copy of r. stevens's 'tcp/ip' bound in his skin. 1085857;1428032308;asciilifeform;will also accept pike's 'unix prog. envir.' 1085858;1428032328;mircea_popescu;more like it. 1085859;1428032353;*;asciilifeform has a list. 1085860;1428032385;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084405 << the reason they're doing this is obvious. they want to find bugs. 1085861;1428032385;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 16:34:58; jurov: even openbsd prefers to maintain racks of obsolete hardware to running emulators 1085862;1428032463;asciilifeform;must add also that the possibility of emulating a reasonably unix-capable computer is relatively recent. in university 'operating systems' courses in '99 folks were still rebooting actual pc, with floppy, 500 times a day. in 2006 - qemu. 1085863;1428032473;asciilifeform;(and the occasional floppy/pc) 1085864;1428032496;asciilifeform;my brother had one - i had the other 1085865;1428032497;mircea_popescu;nobody is disputing it's a very useful tool for many things. 1085866;1428032513;mircea_popescu;well, not i at any rate. 1085867;1428032583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you recall the 'specificity of diddling' thread ? 1085868;1428032596;mircea_popescu;yes. 1085869;1428032612;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044648 << for others reading 1085870;1428032612;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 23:42:12; asciilifeform: for the benefit of n00bs, i will briefly elaborate 1085871;1428032648;asciilifeform;related. 1085872;1428032808;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084446 << lol wait, they came full circle to the actual goal, usg's own bitcoin ? 1085873;1428032808;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 16:43:36; asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/zhMRI9hn4KI/bMYtcr9o5QkJ << unrelated mega-l0l 1085874;1428032852;mircea_popescu;"Writing an empty stub is an extremely bad practice and should only be done in desperation, because at the urbit level it produces a system event log that is nonrepeatable, or at least noncompliant with the nock spec. Discrepancies propagate rapidly in any kind of replay. You should be able to turn off all jets and get the same result. This is not practical, but it is practical if you disable everything but a few ba 1085875;1428032853;mircea_popescu;sic math functions. 1085876;1428032853;mircea_popescu;As a development methodology it's often useful to write hoon that tracks an existing C routine rather than the other way around, but even this needs to be done quite carefully to avoid jet discrepancies." 1085877;1428032855;mircea_popescu;i liked that part. 1085878;1428033129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0002719 = 3.2356 BTC [+] 1085879;1428033232;asciilifeform;they'll eat their pants before admitting it's 'usg bitcoin' 1085880;1428033264;mircea_popescu;well for one thing it's not ok to admit yarvin is orlov in a different color scheme 1085881;1428033280;asciilifeform;lol, what color ? 1085882;1428033293;mircea_popescu;for the other it's not ok to admit urbit exists strictly because a) yarvin's chumpatron attempt failed just at the time b) usg was looking for a particular tool 1085883;1428033296;mircea_popescu;scooped it up cheapo. 1085884;1428033322;mircea_popescu;so i guess two can't admits make it a mindblowing evil thing. 1085885;1428033331;asciilifeform;close. exists because y dropped out of grad school to play original 'dotcom' chumpamatic 1085886;1428033345;mircea_popescu;right. but that's half the story. 1085887;1428033346;asciilifeform;and sorta wanted to get back to these two highlights of his youth 1085888;1428033363;mircea_popescu;his mantears over bitcoin existing coupled with a certain need for "Expertise" in certain quarters... 1085889;1428033389;asciilifeform;i actually read his 'all bitcoin users will be gassed' thing as honest defeatism 1085890;1428033398;asciilifeform;but can't even tell now. 1085891;1428033450;mircea_popescu;the man is not honest. 1085892;1428033473;mircea_popescu;im starting to notice a pattern here, he reads exactly like yak guy, once i read yak guy 1085893;1428033476;asciilifeform;brings to mind, 1085894;1428033479;asciilifeform;Orwell: Do you really want to see your children grow up Nazis? 1085895;1428033479;asciilifeform;The youth: Nonsense! You don't suppose the Germans are going to encourage Fascism in this country, do you? They don't want to breed up a race of warriors to fight against them. Their object will be to turn us into slaves. That's why I'm a pacifist. They'll encourage people like me. 1085896;1428033479;asciilifeform;Orwell: And shoot people like me? 1085897;1428033479;asciilifeform;The youth: That would be just too bad. 1085898;1428033479;asciilifeform;Orwell: But why are you so anxious to remain alive? 1085899;1428033481;asciilifeform;The youth: So that I can get on with my work, of course. 1085900;1428033486;asciilifeform;( http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/eaip_04 ) 1085901;1428033487;assbot;George Orwell: As I Please -- 1943 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9faus ) 1085902;1428033499;mircea_popescu;there was a very apt summary in that physicits's criticism. i suppose i should look it up. 1085903;1428033500;asciilifeform;mr mold decided that he was anxious to remain alive. i can't really see why. 1085904;1428033531;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eliezer_Yudkowsky << lulwut. 1085905;1428033533;assbot;Eliezer Yudkowsky - Wikiquote ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9fhWN ) 1085906;1428033541;mircea_popescu;hey, does wikiquote have a page of quotes from my cat yet ? 1085907;1428033550;asciilifeform;no but almost 1085908;1428033554;asciilifeform;i think they have naggum's cat. 1085909;1428033584;mircea_popescu;holy shit, "crocker's rules" omfg. http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ 1085910;1428033584;assbot;Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pBuh84 ) 1085911;1428033594;mircea_popescu;it's eerie just how connected stupidity is. 1085912;1428033678;mircea_popescu;"So, Hariezer is joking about the murder (its made clear later), but WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING? These escalating friendship-tests feel contrived, reciprocity is effective when you dont make demands immediately, which is why when you get a free sample at the grocery store the person at the counter doesnt say did you like that? Buy this juice or we wont be friends anymore. This whole conversation feels 1085913;1428033679;mircea_popescu;ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE. " 1085914;1428033693;mircea_popescu;basicaly... these are kids whoise main feature is having sat through a bunch of bad marketing seminars. 1085915;1428033724;mircea_popescu;and 1085916;1428033724;mircea_popescu;conversations between Quirrell/Malfoy/Potter seem to follow scripts of the form 1085917;1428033725;mircea_popescu;"Here is an awesome manipulation Im using against you" 1085918;1428033725;mircea_popescu;"My, that is an effective manipulation. You are a dangerous man" 1085919;1428033725;mircea_popescu;"I know, but I also know that you are only flattering me as an attempt to manipulate me." 1085920;1428033726;mircea_popescu;"My, what an effective use of Bayesian evidence that is!" 1085921;1428033728;mircea_popescu;etc. 1085922;1428033752;asciilifeform;this is not entirely unlike the 'karate scenes' written by hacks 1085923;1428033762;mircea_popescu;quite. 1085924;1428033775;mircea_popescu;it's funny tho, quotations from bad fanfic, the works. 1085925;1428033804;pete_dushenski;http://fortune.com/2015/04/02/bitcoin-bowl/ << oh hey look 'daniel roberts' reads the logs 1085926;1428033805;assbot;Goodbye, Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl, we hardly knew ye - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9fUj3 ) 1085927;1428033831;pete_dushenski;^quite the qntra rip-off 1085928;1428033849;pete_dushenski;obviously without attribution, 'reddit said' instead 1085929;1428033876;asciilifeform;folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times 1085930;1428033950;pete_dushenski;"hey look, a gummy worm!" 1085931;1428033958;pete_dushenski;"only half-digested!" 1085932;1428034036;mircea_popescu;lol 1085933;1428034044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00027 = 1.8806 BTC [-] 1085934;1428034067;mircea_popescu;well... the world is supremely fair, in that ignorance is its own reward. 1085935;1428034095;pete_dushenski;i'm finally working my way through buffett's annual letters to berkshire shareholders 1085936;1428034113;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085094 << what's wrong with config file srsly. 1085937;1428034113;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 21:54:54; asciilifeform: i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz 1085938;1428034115;mircea_popescu;!up PFate 1085939;1428034120;pete_dushenski;http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html << recommended reading for log readers out there 1085940;1428034122;assbot;Shareholder Letters ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9gJZg ) 1085941;1428034138;PFate;hello and thank you 1085942;1428034146;mircea_popescu;yeah they're not bad. 1085943;1428034151;mircea_popescu;PFate who might you be ? 1085944;1428034180;PFate;erm, just a pleb atm 1085945;1428034185;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's wrong with config file srsly << nothing wrong with it. but 1) the hardcoded junk needs to go 2) node needs to learn own ip somehow 1085946;1428034185;PFate;want twitter handle? 1085947;1428034192;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: call it biznis 201 1085948;1428034192;PFate;@thefateofbtc 1085949;1428034216;pete_dushenski;PFate: soooo what's the fate ? 1085950;1428034221;mircea_popescu;PFate it's free form, i dun want anything specific. 1085951;1428034257;PFate;pete, right now its not good from watching the news 1085952;1428034258;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085111 << sadly. the man very much went by this "engineering" approach. 1085953;1428034258;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 21:59:01; jurov: may have been satoshi himself 1085954;1428034258;PFate;lol 1085955;1428034294;pete_dushenski;PFate: that works because i'm pretty sure nowhere here watches the news 1085956;1428034304;pete_dushenski;https://1broker.com/ << this yours then ? 1085957;1428034305;assbot;1Broker - Bitcoin Forex and CFD Trading ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9heTa ) 1085958;1428034325;PFate;1broker.co 1085959;1428034328;PFate; :) 1085960;1428034342;PFate;301 redirect ftw 1085961;1428034364;asciilifeform;stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i u_int32_t bitcoin-0.3.21 1085962;1428034364;asciilifeform;stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i uint32_t bitcoin-0.3.21 1085963;1428034364;asciilifeform;stas@humanoid ~ $ 1085964;1428034364;cazalla;wow, that fortune.com article cites btcfeed as the source of the jan bitpay layoffs? fucking cunts 1085965;1428034367;asciilifeform;nope, not satoshi. 1085966;1428034387;pete_dushenski;cazalla: ikr! 1085967;1428034410;mircea_popescu;ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act. 1085968;1428034420;pete_dushenski;PFate: well congrats on "We have proven ourselves: Since our launch in 2012, there was not a single security breach." 1085969;1428034448;PFate;? the .com is not mine 1085970;1428034451;PFate;heh 1085971;1428034469;mircea_popescu;cazalla write to the author and to forbes editor, tell them they can either publish a fix or else i sue. 1085972;1428034520;mircea_popescu;lettuce see if forbes getting sued by bitcoin for ip infringement makes the news or not. 1085973;1428034533;asciilifeform;won't make the docket much less news 1085974;1428034538;asciilifeform;will be magicked away with magic rays. 1085975;1428034539;mircea_popescu;the docket it will make. 1085976;1428034539;pete_dushenski;PFate: ah nm then! 1085977;1428034548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, because magic rays too expensive. 1085978;1428034552;asciilifeform;'state privilege' 1085979;1428034557;cazalla;mircea_popescu, author proudly displays his twitter url, but no email address, guess i'll have to dig 1085980;1428034566;pete_dushenski;to whoever else runs 1broker, wd. 1085981;1428034585;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you know, one day you'll run into one of these claiming 2006. 1085982;1428034637;pete_dushenski;and when that day comes, i'll learn not to trust anything random websites say 1085983;1428034649;asciilifeform;'25 years of windows-2008 experience' 1085984;1428034652;PFate;theres probably someone on linkedin with crypto(btc/ltc) claimed experience dating 2008 1085985;1428034695;asciilifeform;szabo ? 1085986;1428034696;pete_dushenski;not that one can't have 20 years of 'digital cash' experience, it's just that... so what ? 1085987;1428034720;mircea_popescu;poor substitute for being in wot. 1085988;1428034720;pete_dushenski;matonis was on the edges of the thing back then 1085989;1428034734;mircea_popescu;iirc we had a guy in here who claimed 546805806 years of precious metal guruism 1085990;1428034745;mircea_popescu;the claim got reduced and reduced until it went away 1085991;1428034749;mircea_popescu;didn't take much pressure, either. 1085992;1428034778;asciilifeform;546805806 years of << l0l! he had an uninitialized register or what. 1085993;1428034785;asciilifeform;incremented until overflowed? 1085994;1428034787;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085173 << yes. 1085995;1428034787;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 22:51:59; asciilifeform: i probably should have specified this in the signed text 1085996;1428034801;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i just replaced one random value with another. my register's wider than his. 1085997;1428034805;pete_dushenski;PFate: anyhoo so what brings you by this fine evening ? 1085998;1428034816;PFate;stalking 1085999;1428034829;PFate;since the bryce interview, back traced to this chan 1086000;1428034830;mircea_popescu;the tits are that way ---> 1086001;1428034837;PFate;oh, sweet 1086002;1428034845;PFate;but thats the edge of my desk 1086003;1428034848;mircea_popescu;who the fuck stalks dudes 1086004;1428034857;PFate;shitty comcast movies are on the other screen 1086005;1428034860;*;asciilifeform will probably end up having to seppuku one day because did not specify 'do not use in reactors to power interstellar multigenerational flights' in some patch in '14 1086006;1428034880;PFate;i stalk persons of interest in my hobbies to see whats up 1086007;1428034890;PFate;this year and last, crypto 1086008;1428034896;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085180 << yeah qntra ppl. do we even care to get these ? 1086009;1428034896;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 22:57:01; nubbins`: i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested 1086010;1428034929;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i'll just end up stuck explaining why you shouldn't to angry mobs. 1086011;1428035047;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude dat qntra. 0.00027399 vs 0.00028991 eh! 1086012;1428035077;mircea_popescu;also 104mn s.mpoe shares changed hands this month. 1086013;1428035091;*;asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing 1086014;1428035091;mircea_popescu;methinks institutionals got told a few words ? 1086015;1428035104;asciilifeform;i mean srsly, wut 1086016;1428035145;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oothecae walls structure. 1086017;1428035161;pete_dushenski;i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for 'qntra ppl' but as cool as cards with just email and gpg would be, i'm not sure i'd have much use for them in the space of meat 1086018;1428035162;mircea_popescu;use cockroach parts! they're great for the environment and weigh less! 1086019;1428035165;asciilifeform;l0l 1086020;1428035188;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski original deal was for a dozen, you;'d prolly make it 1086021;1428035200;asciilifeform;the funny thing is that i've owned little laser printers since '90s, always almost precisely the same size, breadbox 1086022;1428035204;asciilifeform;and they get lighter, lighter,.... 1086023;1428035230;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085215 o.O 1086024;1428035230;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 00:51:07; cazalla: who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu 1086025;1428035254;asciilifeform;i bet this one'd auger in if i sat on it. 1086026;1428035261;asciilifeform;nay, stepped in it. 1086027;1428035288;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085216 google produces http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/ 1086028;1428035288;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 00:55:59; BingoBoingo: lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche 1086029;1428035289;assbot;These fucktards have to be immortalised, they're worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChL53G ) 1086030;1428035299;mircea_popescu;apparently the neobee "brick and mortar" 17 yo financiers. 1086031;1428035328;mircea_popescu;also, i am not a cryptographer. 1086032;1428035329;asciilifeform; i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for << wai wat was this 1086033;1428035330;PFate;auger? 1086034;1428035335;asciilifeform;auger. 1086035;1428035337;PFate;that slang for collapse? 1086036;1428035364;PFate;never heard it used outside building/drilling 1086037;1428035398;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: aite well, if they're free to the magick dozen, i'd take mebbe 50 cards ? 1086038;1428035409;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: qntra writing 1086039;1428035409;mircea_popescu;iirc it was 250 ? 1086040;1428035425;mircea_popescu;look in teh log 1086041;1428035450;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085221 dude srsly with this still ?! 1086042;1428035450;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 00:58:09; nubbins`: “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.” 1086043;1428035451;pete_dushenski;i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many 1086044;1428035527;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Preet Bharara's minions can be seen pleading to Judge Forrest that the terminally corrupted Baltimore investigation so how touches their investigation in no way." 1086045;1428035530;mircea_popescu;so how wut. 1086046;1428035588;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085246 << actually if someone was to pop in here and try to mine some lulz, they'd prolly pretend to be exactly someone like that, ie, marginal twitterhead or w/e. who else would they pretend to be. 1086047;1428035588;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 01:29:27; Cogburn: oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me 1086048;1428035610;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: fxd 1086049;1428035644;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085257 << o.O wasn't thestringpuller rapping this like yest ? 1086050;1428035644;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 01:31:12; cazalla: going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him 1086051;1428035659;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/#comment-113407 so he was 1086052;1428035660;assbot;Ok, ok, you had me :D pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChMUgW ) 1086053;1428035710;cazalla;mircea_popescu, lol yeah he was in the trilema comments, it's what sprung to mind at the time 1086054;1428035751;mircea_popescu;meanwhile "wtf is cogburn" "it's a reference to a film you stopped because wtf is this stupid shit." 1086055;1428035781;mircea_popescu;seriously, people actually watched that atrocity ? 1086056;1428035804;mircea_popescu;twelve year old independent wild west girlie ? 1086057;1428035826;mircea_popescu;shit that only happened on planet "i'm a fat fuckhead and i will daydream an alt-history in which women actually did shit" ? 1086058;1428035829;BingoBoingo;Eh, she ends up an amputee, there's gotta be a niche for that 1086059;1428035862;mircea_popescu;for the record : no child at that time would have fucking dared to open her stupid mouth for fear of a beating. 1086060;1428035862;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: will daydream an alt-history << countess ada l. porn ? 1086061;1428035867;mircea_popescu;which fear was pretty fucking actual. 1086062;1428035903;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's this thing which seriously proposes that a texas ranger who took the trouble to hunt some outlaw all the way into wherever the fuck is even talking to some snotty brat. 1086063;1428035906;mircea_popescu;boggles the mind. 1086064;1428035938;mircea_popescu;but not so far off hariezer fanfic. 1086065;1428035943;asciilifeform;in porn, can cavort with platonic polyhedra if it tickles you. doesn't have to make sense in life... 1086066;1428035964;mircea_popescu;it was a holywood "socialist realist" piece tho 1086067;1428035970;asciilifeform;l0l! 1086068;1428035975;mircea_popescu;well what are they ? 1086069;1428036001;asciilifeform;money laundromats ? 1086070;1428036010;mircea_popescu;all the unwatchable crud starting with the alt-gays (brokeback mountain) all through imaginary women that never happened, brave black slaves, what have you 1086071;1428036021;mircea_popescu;it's socialist realism i tell you. 1086072;1428036037;asciilifeform;Чапаев! 1086073;1428036053;mircea_popescu;im looking forward to a remake of spartacus but set in south carolina 1086074;1428036065;mircea_popescu;with an imaginary black leader dude that caused a countrywide revolt. 1086075;1428036068;mircea_popescu;because this happened. 1086076;1428036082;asciilifeform;http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/45435 1086077;1428036083;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChPa7O ) 1086078;1428036085;asciilifeform;from other side of ocean. 1086079;1428036104;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, you're thinking the almost able to stand post-20s. 1086080;1428036110;mircea_popescu;im thinking the 70s. 1086081;1428036295;asciilifeform;or more egregiously, 1086082;1428036296;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_mjKQkYctg 1086083;1428036297;assbot;МУЛЬТФИЛЬМ Орлёнок - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChQbwA ) 1086084;1428036362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6831 @ 0.00027024 = 1.846 BTC [+] 1086085;1428036382;asciilifeform;^ mega-genre-emblematic 1086086;1428036434;*;asciilifeform once was mindfucked when read 'livejournal' of gurl who confessed to having wanked to this ^ 1086087;1428036561;asciilifeform;'why do you want to go to the revolution, kid?' 'to save the boy. the hero, about whom the song was.' 'will you fear a bullet?' 'no' 'will you fall for tricks?' 'no!' 'come on in' 1086088;1428036592;mircea_popescu;!up evian11_____ 1086089;1428036627;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly my first idea of socialist realism is very bad metal basreliefs. 1086090;1428036630;mircea_popescu;cinema a distant 3rd 1086091;1428036637;asciilifeform;bad metal - mandatory 1086092;1428036656;mircea_popescu;ok this cartoon is on point. 1086093;1428036665;asciilifeform;absolutely mandatory for genre students 1086094;1428036678;mircea_popescu;quite exactly the spirit. 1086095;1428036688;mircea_popescu;directly visible in the say "abstraction" of movements. 1086096;1428036699;*;asciilifeform fesses up that he loved it to death as a boy 1086097;1428036703;mircea_popescu;very unabashed red/black coloring etc 1086098;1428036712;mircea_popescu;it is MADE to be loved to death by simpletons. 1086099;1428036716;mircea_popescu;the problem is some never outgrow it. 1086100;1428036768;mircea_popescu;o fuck, frame in frame. defo. 1086101;1428036783;asciilifeform;frame ? 1086102;1428036840;mircea_popescu;yes. pioneer kid at museum 1086103;1428036846;asciilifeform;ah well yes. 1086104;1428037460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31866 @ 0.00027 = 8.6038 BTC [-] 1086105;1428037765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00027024 = 5.9047 BTC [+] 1086106;1428037861;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085304 << this speaks to neither wot nor irl trust. 1086107;1428037861;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 01:39:28; Cogburn: gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone. 1086108;1428038007;mircea_popescu;!up odyjm 1086109;1428038061;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085325 << well then you have no business here. 1086110;1428038061;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 01:45:04; Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no" 1086111;1428038079;mircea_popescu;saves me a bunch of reading at any rate. 1086112;1428038091;asciilifeform;i dont think that was even a living thing 1086113;1428038093;asciilifeform;but a script. 1086114;1428038103;asciilifeform;it elizad when i spoke to it. 1086115;1428038129;mircea_popescu;sadly this is no longer much of a criteria. 1086116;1428038134;mircea_popescu;try a barrista sometime and see. 1086117;1428038148;asciilifeform;a wut 1086118;1428038153;BingoBoingo;Thing apparently was living, but not very. Shell that seems most motivated to please whatever is on the other side of the screen whether it be Surf or what it imagines #b-a to be 1086119;1428038154;asciilifeform;bartender? 1086120;1428038155;mircea_popescu;chick that pours coffee. 1086121;1428038158;asciilifeform;Ah 1086122;1428038163;mircea_popescu;no, not bartender. coffeeshoptender. 1086123;1428038174;Chillum;its like a spanish waiter 1086124;1428038176;Chillum;lol 1086125;1428038236;mircea_popescu;"Pretentious sounding word used by dejected art history and drama majors that describes their employment in order to make themselves feel better about serving coffee." 1086126;1428038238;mircea_popescu;ud has it. 1086127;1428038246;asciilifeform;l0l 1086128;1428038248;mircea_popescu;they could call themselves gheishas for the same money. 1086129;1428038337;cazalla;asciilifeform never heard of the fabled hipster barista 1086130;1428038355;asciilifeform;over here the coffee is served 100% by uni students 1086131;1428038359;asciilifeform;who else. 1086132;1428038364;mircea_popescu;anyway, entire class of could-have-been bright young things that sound like eliza. 1086133;1428038372;mircea_popescu;yes dude. those. 1086134;1428038434;Chillum;my local coffee serving girl is rather bright 1086135;1428038440;Chillum;though she is an owner 1086136;1428038558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55650 @ 0.00027 = 15.0255 BTC [-] 1086137;1428038564;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 94,079. 1086138;1428038920;asciilifeform;'Lets use IBM as an example. As all business observers know, CEOs Lou Gerstner and Sam Palmisano did a superb job in moving IBM from near-bankruptcy twenty years ago to its prominence today. Their operational accomplishments were truly extraordinary.' (buffett '11) 1086139;1428038922;asciilifeform;wtf?! 1086140;1428038934;asciilifeform;ibm, the shrivelled husk? 1086141;1428038966;asciilifeform;was that letter sent from paralleluniverse or wut 1086142;1428039056;mircea_popescu;buffett pre 2000 is very different beast from buffett post 2001 1086143;1428039064;mircea_popescu;much like zimmerman or any other number of people. 1086144;1428039096;asciilifeform;getting headcrabbed will do that. 1086145;1428039160;pete_dushenski;buffett in 1086146;1428039167;pete_dushenski;1991 was on his game 1086147;1428039187;pete_dushenski;then, bought hh brown, today... car dealerships 1086148;1428039262;pete_dushenski;;;seen brendafdez 1086149;1428039264;gribble;brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. 1086150;1428039412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22910 @ 0.00027 = 6.1857 BTC [-] 1086151;1428040899;BingoBoingo;!t m s.qntr 1086152;1428040899;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC) 1086153;1428040908;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe 1086154;1428040908;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025516 / 0.0002719 (10198588 shares, 2,602.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00022189 / 0.0002599 / 0.00028207 (44106582 shares, 11,463.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028916 / 0.0004493 (103963514 shares, 30,062.38 BTC) 1086155;1428040937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7108 @ 0.0002719 = 1.9327 BTC [+] 1086156;1428041059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35873 @ 0.0002713 = 9.7323 BTC [-] {2} 1086157;1428041669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00027218 = 1.5242 BTC [+] 1086158;1428042997;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533582 << curious to know if this ever happened 1086159;1428042997;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2014 21:59:17; mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be.. 1086160;1428043049;ben_vulpes;hey robert viragh fuck off quit emailing me. 1086161;1428043119;mircea_popescu;lmao 1086162;1428043177;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it never made any money. at all. 1086163;1428043197;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: tee hee i know 1086164;1428043218;mircea_popescu;aok 1086165;1428043221;ben_vulpes;more ribbing nubbins`, really 1086166;1428043242;mircea_popescu;nubbins ?! how's he involved 1086167;1428043255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58524 @ 0.00027215 = 15.9273 BTC [-] {2} 1086168;1428043257;ben_vulpes;read the linked thread! 1086169;1428043303;mircea_popescu;the part about adding things to his highlights ? or the part about shewpherd pie ? 1086170;1428043331;ben_vulpes;the whole log section is hilarious - some twenty lines in each direction 1086171;1428043342;ben_vulpes;nubbins` going on about hif, steak, puss... 1086172;1428043356;ben_vulpes;old logs are a trip, i guess. 1086173;1428043389;mircea_popescu;kinda why we even have them. 1086174;1428043406;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085482 << hear hear 1086175;1428043406;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 02:19:43; asciilifeform: Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al. 1086176;1428043474;mircea_popescu;i suppose "innovation" in the superficial sense in current usage has come to this, that it's barely a proxy for shock value. they ran out of "innovative" alts and now are hoping for interest out of the patently ridiculous. 1086177;1428043487;mircea_popescu;"o ya ? well my alt is about dead weasels!" 1086178;1428043533;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085490 << one of the things i admire about you, asciilifeform, is your charming ability to paint just the most desolate picture of anyone's future for them. 1086179;1428043533;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 02:21:25; asciilifeform: the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business 1086180;1428043534;mircea_popescu;"that doesn't make any sense" "But it's got you talking about it!" "only briefly" "yeah well that's a lot more than the other 93875937394 guys manage" 1086181;1428043583;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes imagine what it's like to be his girlfriend. 1086182;1428043621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00027 = 11.016 BTC [-] 1086183;1428043788;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i like to complain as much as the next jew, but these russians! 1086184;1428043811;mircea_popescu;why do you think they kept the jews beyond the pale. 1086185;1428043815;ben_vulpes;they're so down they make *you* want to kill yourself! 1086186;1428043833;mircea_popescu;and notice he's not even really russian. imagine if he stayed in odessa. 1086187;1428043839;ben_vulpes;ya christ 1086188;1428043844;mircea_popescu;which EVEN THEN wouldn't have been REALLY russian. 1086189;1428043856;mircea_popescu;two degrees of soparation here. 1086190;1428043867;ben_vulpes;well, eu that part of the world more than us. 1086191;1428043896;ben_vulpes;hm what part of russia is he from? 1086192;1428043901;ben_vulpes;well, "russia" 1086193;1428043907;mircea_popescu;the ukraine :D 1086194;1428043909;ben_vulpes;hurr durr ustard dun no geograpfiez 1086195;1428043923;mircea_popescu;you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" 1086196;1428043963;ben_vulpes;:( 1086197;1428043970;ben_vulpes;i know nothinggggg 1086198;1428043985;mircea_popescu;yeah, how do you even jack off 1086199;1428043987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00027218 = 2.3271 BTC [+] 1086200;1428043989;mircea_popescu;i bet you need a woman even for that. 1086201;1428043997;ben_vulpes;death by embarrass 1086202;1428044003;mircea_popescu;lol 1086203;1428044081;mircea_popescu;hm, reading back... you probably didn't even pick the pale reference didja. 1086204;1428044097;ben_vulpes;i thought that was a british/irish thing. 1086205;1428044103;mircea_popescu;;;google pale of settlement 1086206;1428044104;gribble;Pale of Settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Pale of Settlement | Jewish Virtual Library: ; YIVO | Pale of Settlement: 1086207;1428044118;ben_vulpes;shit jesus 1086208;1428044126;mircea_popescu;ah this has been top log. 1086209;1428044140;ben_vulpes;i am actually a horrible jew 1086210;1428044144;ben_vulpes;all i care about is rockets 1086211;1428044152;mircea_popescu;lol 1086212;1428044245;ben_vulpes; you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" << bad example. canada is just unannexed right now. 1086213;1428044262;mircea_popescu;so it's a good example. 1086214;1428044450;*;ben_vulpes ponders his mental calendar 1086215;1428045545;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: have you never seen fiddler on the roof ? movie or play ? 1086216;1428045569;pete_dushenski;it's the token charicature of 'the pale' 1086217;1428045580;pete_dushenski;aaaand just-as-eyes-close-scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/03/aligning-incentives/ 1086218;1428045581;assbot;Aligning incentives. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8veMj ) 1086219;1428045593;pete_dushenski;bon soir a tous! 1086220;1428046119;mircea_popescu;the movie's actually pretty good. 1086221;1428046137;mircea_popescu;"if wealth is a curse... well then may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!" 1086222;1428046773;mircea_popescu;"Just as it is the way of an ape to imitate humans, so too, a person, when he has become old, imitates himself, and does what was his manner previously." 1086223;1428046843;mircea_popescu;there asciilifeform, i found you in the rishonim discussion of buffet's plight in the kotzker rebbe. 1086224;1428046861;mircea_popescu;hmm, lemme restate. 1086225;1428046887;mircea_popescu;there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight. 1086226;1428046894;mircea_popescu;dat semitic word order ffs. 1086227;1428047891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45550 @ 0.00027 = 12.2985 BTC [-] 1086228;1428047897;BingoBoingo;cooperate, civility determined unnecessary https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2015/04/03/essay-thoughts-community-college-curmudgeons-and-how-engage-them 1086229;1428047900;assbot;Essay on the thoughts of community college curmudgeons and how to engage them @insidehighered ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYid6k ) 1086230;1428048035;BingoBoingo;"Maybe if theyd listen to us curmudgeons once in a while, rather than trying to shut us up, community colleges wouldnt be in the shape many of us are today: taking unconscionable amounts of students loan eligibility and seeing them leave when it runs out, as illiterate/innumerate as they were when they got here. No one wants us to talk about that, though." 1086231;1428048126;mircea_popescu;sure. and maybe if the people trying to bail out the titanic were faster with it... 1086232;1428048193;BingoBoingo;I like how the author misses the obvious conclusion, the curmudgeons were right the whole time 1086233;1428048272;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/66d5c4c3c7fb72b8c71d7e55577bd005/tumblr_mu7rn8FqsG1scdinwo1_500.jpg 1086234;1428048273;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1apWgSk ) 1086235;1428048277;mircea_popescu;dat spelling. 1086236;1428048418;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-march-2015-statement/ 1086237;1428048867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00027 = 3.78 BTC [-] 1086238;1428049233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00027062 = 9.2146 BTC [+] 1086239;1428049416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00027062 = 4.79 BTC [+] 1086240;1428051002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.00027 = 14.4855 BTC [-] 1086241;1428051246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82600 @ 0.00027204 = 22.4705 BTC [+] {2} 1086242;1428051259;mats;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11513341/Greece-draws-up-drachma-plans-prepares-to-miss-IMF-payment.html 1086243;1428051261;assbot;Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz ) 1086244;1428051274;mats;it begins 1086245;1428051307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27201 @ 0.00027225 = 7.4055 BTC [+] {2} 1086246;1428052039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00027244 = 6.2934 BTC [+] {2} 1086247;1428052358;cazalla;wtf at that tumblr 1086248;1428052441;cazalla;prob nigs with inferiority complex over da white man making that shit 1086249;1428052476;punkman;nah, gotta be a white boy 1086250;1428052488;mats;lol. 1086251;1428052610;punkman;mats, btw the only greek articles talking about drachma are referencing the Telegraph 1086252;1428052647;mats;interesting 1086253;1428052694;punkman;(as in, check out what the brits are writing now) 1086254;1428052913;cazalla;god damn easter, no bottleshops open and i require more vespene gas 1086255;1428053442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8351 @ 0.00027266 = 2.277 BTC [+] {2} 1086256;1428054418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00027 = 4.2795 BTC [-] 1086257;1428055150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00027268 = 7.5532 BTC [+] 1086258;1428056553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00027 = 7.5195 BTC [-] 1086259;1428057712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 28000 @ 0.00037719 = 10.5613 BTC [+] 1086260;1428057820;thestringpuller;!t m s.mpoe 1086261;1428057820;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025767 / 0.00027268 (8072934 shares, 2,080.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00023767 / 0.00026037 / 0.00028207 (41640038 shares, 10,842.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028858 / 0.0004493 (103878194 shares, 29,977.37 BTC) 1086262;1428057822;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr 1086263;1428057822;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (38885 shares, 14.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037706 / 0.00037719 (38985 shares, 14.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00031619 / 0.00037719 (68462 shares, 21.65 BTC) 1086264;1428057827;thestringpuller;^- close the bet 1086265;1428057956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40850 @ 0.00027 = 11.0295 BTC [-] 1086266;1428058017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00027272 = 8.0316 BTC [+] {2} 1086267;1428058688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5674 @ 0.000273 = 1.549 BTC [+] {2} 1086268;1428058932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19047 @ 0.00027313 = 5.2023 BTC [+] {2} 1086269;1428058993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5135 @ 0.00027339 = 1.4039 BTC [+] {2} 1086270;1428060089;nubbins`; everyone is tired of getting fucked 1086271;1428060101;nubbins`; pass the lsd plz. 1086272;1428060108;nubbins`;did i miss a memo or somethin? wild party guise 1086273;1428060152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00027028 = 8.5138 BTC [-] {2} 1086274;1428060566;nubbins`; so go ahead, sql inject it. <<< actually i just injected an upgrade to my avatar. from this: http://i.imgur.com/IrcdfQJ.png to this: http://i.imgur.com/36Olfei.png 1086275;1428060567;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia7KHp ) 1086276;1428060567;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia7KHr ) 1086277;1428060640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00027 = 19.116 BTC [-] 1086278;1428061368;nubbins`; or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room <<< uh, srs?? 1086279;1428061577;nubbins`;*:asciilifeform has a list. <<< seems we've all got different lists of people who will be put against walls for various reasons 1086280;1428061616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00027367 = 5.8839 BTC [+] {2} 1086281;1428061641;nubbins`;mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer" 1086282;1428062104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7670 @ 0.0002738 = 2.1 BTC [+] 1086283;1428062120;nubbins`; folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times <<< "This latest tome puts X in the awkward position of having written more books than they've read" 1086284;1428062220;nubbins`; node needs to learn own ip somehow <<< can't felch it from the OS at runtime? 1086285;1428062424;nubbins`; ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act. <<< i'm more of a thief in the night when it comes to lels. 1086286;1428062577;nubbins`;asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing <<< scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc ;p 1086287;1428062618;BingoBoingo;Does the scanner not roast the bed with UV? 1086288;1428062653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00027049 = 6.4106 BTC [-] 1086289;1428062703;nubbins`;i kid. :D 1086290;1428062721;nubbins`;and i'd guess probably not, because why would it produce uv? 1086291;1428062744;nubbins`;seems a waste to emit anything but the visual spectrum 1086292;1428062754;nubbins`;but i talk from a place without knowledge here. 1086293;1428062765;nubbins`;also, plastic scratches 1086294;1428062791;nubbins`; i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many <<< my first job as a "web dev", they gave me 1000 business cards. for some reason. 1086295;1428062833;nubbins`;i gave one to my folks and then gave away the rest in chunks of 100 to friends who roll their own, for use as filter 1086296;1428062871;nubbins`;imagine giving a thousand business cards to someone who /does not interact with clients/ 1086297;1428063080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00027029 = 3.4597 BTC [-] {2} 1086298;1428063261;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533600 <<< ultra-lel 1086299;1428063261;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2014 22:16:56; nubbins`: p liked the shepherd's pie i made 1086300;1428063267;nubbins`;how do i get away with this shit 1086301;1428063275;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533601 1086302;1428063275;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2014 22:17:08; nubbins`: "the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said 1086303;1428063367;nubbins`; you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" <<< twodog, iirc, floated the idea of joining usa after the british gave up on us 1086304;1428063378;nubbins`;closest we got was hosting a bunch of US mil bases 1086305;1428063570;nubbins`; bad example. canada is just unannexed right now. <<< i lel'd heartily, i must say 1086306;1428063679;nubbins`;as if the future path of north america is single-country 1086307;1428063787;nubbins`; dat spelling. <<< i'm so broud of you 1086308;1428063816;nubbins`;incidentally, "broud" reminds me of this movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clan_of_the_Cave_Bear_%28film%29 1086309;1428063817;assbot;The Clan of the Cave Bear (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8XnTB ) 1086310;1428063827;nubbins`;broud was DTF at all times 1086311;1428063934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0002738 = 4.285 BTC [+] 1086312;1428064110;BingoBoingo; as if the future path of north america is single-country << Sure it is, Go Go Los Zetas 1086313;1428064121;BingoBoingo;Or Sinaloa, or whoever 1086314;1428064227;nubbins`;zetas vs zapatistas 1086315;1428064483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34550 @ 0.0002738 = 9.4598 BTC [+] {2} 1086316;1428065337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14559 @ 0.00027 = 3.9309 BTC [-] 1086317;1428065764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26486 @ 0.00027 = 7.1512 BTC [-] 1086318;1428065865;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 93,697. 1086319;1428067960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00027 = 7.3305 BTC [-] 1086320;1428068171;nubbins`;"I'm a musician that supports Bitcoin! Check out my weird shitty demos!" 1086321;1428068173;nubbins`;...no? 1086322;1428068177;nubbins`;my sides 1086323;1428068182;nubbins`;youth today, i tell ya. 1086324;1428068191;nubbins`;they realy go overboard with the self-deprecation 1086325;1428068197;nubbins`;*really 1086326;1428068215;nubbins`;dat defense against future criticisms 1086327;1428068230;nubbins`;guy obv thinks it's cool otherwise he wouldn't share it 1086328;1428068248;nubbins`;but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it 1086329;1428068258;nubbins`;so he hedges 1086330;1428068266;nubbins`;and warns you that it sucks while he shows it off 1086331;1428068875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00027384 = 6.1614 BTC [+] 1086332;1428068927;mircea_popescu;jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc. 1086333;1428068935;mircea_popescu;not that he wouldn't, mind you. 1086334;1428069516;danielpbarron;height=310563 vs height=219979 1086335;1428069578;Chillum;geez, my client is up to Nov 2014 and it says it is at 70% complete. Is 30% of the blockchain volume really since November?: 1086336;1428069851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7312 @ 0.00027384 = 2.0023 BTC [+] 1086337;1428069973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00027371 = 2.0528 BTC [-] 1086338;1428069977;mircea_popescu;Chillum yes. 1086339;1428069996;Chillum;wow that is some increase in volume 1086340;1428070012;mircea_popescu;people, the sort who imagine themselves "part of the community" for no reason, not being able to pass even the minimal qual of running a node, have nfi just how heavy 1mb blocks are 1086341;1428070019;mircea_popescu;note that they're almost never full, either. 1086342;1428070161;Chillum;the percent of people who run a rull node will continue to drop 1086343;1428070178;Chillum;s/rull/run/ 1086344;1428070180;nubbins`;^ 1086345;1428070274;mircea_popescu;the % yes. 1086346;1428070289;mircea_popescu;necessarily, as something becomes "popular" the percentage of imbeciles increases. 1086347;1428070308;mircea_popescu;just look at "computer programming" 1086348;1428070311;Chillum;any system will have to live with imbeciles 1086349;1428070317;Chillum;on Earth at least 1086350;1428070322;mircea_popescu;live with, sure. 1086351;1428070337;mircea_popescu;make it possible for imbeciles to live with it, not really. 1086352;1428070390;mircea_popescu;so apparently this chick wanted to open a coinbase account. they told her to make a blog, as part of their newer, friendlier KYC regulations. so she did. here it is : http://mandyswanson.tumblr.com/ 1086353;1428070391;assbot;Mandy-Claire Swanson ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQJBVj ) 1086354;1428070392;mircea_popescu;tru story. 1086355;1428070400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17813 @ 0.00027384 = 4.8779 BTC [+] 1086356;1428070438;Chillum;sooo know your customers is now extended to learning about their hobbies and personality? 1086357;1428070444;Chillum;what does a blog accomplish? 1086358;1428070448;Chillum;anyone can make a fake one 1086359;1428070470;Chillum;I prefer KFC to KYC 1086360;1428070474;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone could have made a fake this one. 1086361;1428070516;Chillum;I have only met a few of my customers, I do NOT want to know them 1086362;1428070537;mircea_popescu;tough. 1086363;1428070541;Chillum;the general population has a strong tendency for crazies 1086364;1428070573;mircea_popescu;it's the law Chillum ! 1086365;1428070613;Chillum;in Canada you don't need to ip a tx is under $3k a day and under $10K in a year 1086366;1428070619;Chillum;s/ip/id/ 1086367;1428070635;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086243 << epic. i wish to see how this drachma goes. 1086368;1428070635;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 08:54:21; assbot: Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz ) 1086369;1428070650;mircea_popescu;maybe next they can leech some money off the russians for a while, making promises ? 1086370;1428070667;mircea_popescu;Chillum what do you mean "in canada" 1086371;1428070688;Chillum;Greece, those guys were buying gold coins from me more than the whole rest of the world combined during their bailout 1086372;1428070697;Chillum;It is a big country that I live in 1086373;1428070737;mircea_popescu;us first best only country. 1086374;1428070768;Chillum;us? 1086375;1428070772;nubbins`;a 1086376;1428070793;nubbins`;canada isn't really a country so much as it is a collection of geographically and culturally disparate regions 1086377;1428070816;nubbins`;take chillum, myself, and a quebecois 1086378;1428070827;nubbins`;probably our only common threads are that we like poutine and smoke trees 1086379;1428070839;Chillum;poutine is gross. Sorry, but it is 1086380;1428070853;Chillum;perhaps they just make it bad around here, but the french guys love it 1086381;1428070877;nubbins`;most poutine around here is totally bastardized 1086382;1428070880;nubbins`;stretch mozza instead of curds 1086383;1428070884;mircea_popescu;!up gabridome 1086384;1428070904;nubbins`;with real curds and a thick gravy on some home fries, it's divine 1086385;1428070916;Chillum;the fries always are soggy, I like crispy fries 1086386;1428070935;nubbins`;see? nothing in common 1086387;1428070941;nubbins`;totally culturally disparate 1086388;1428070947;Chillum;Vancouver Island is a culture of its own 1086389;1428070961;nubbins`;so is newfoundland island 1086390;1428070979;Chillum;we are a mosaic, not a melting pot. We want disparite cultures 1086391;1428070985;nubbins`;for those of you who do not grasp the size of canada, europe is closer to me than vancouver is 1086392;1428071010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00027387 = 2.7798 BTC [+] {2} 1086393;1428071019;Chillum;and the 15% of it to the south west has nice weather for several months a year 1086394;1428071037;nubbins`;in fact, romania is closer to me than vancouver 1086395;1428071064;Chillum;I always love it when the weather channel is showing ice storms out east and that we have daffodils blooming on the Island 1086396;1428071071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77269 @ 0.00027433 = 21.1972 BTC [+] {3} 1086397;1428071076;nubbins`;heh 1086398;1428071080;nubbins`;it was 12C here three days ago 1086399;1428071083;nubbins`;yesterday: snow 1086400;1428071093;Chillum;of course every winter all the homeless from out east come to victoria/vancover to live 1086401;1428071101;mircea_popescu;"Greece no longer has enough money to pay the IMF 498m on April 9, and also to cover payments for salaries and social security on April 14" 1086402;1428071102;mircea_popescu;herp. 1086403;1428071110;Chillum;they have plenty of gold 1086404;1428071125;nubbins`;Chillum and every summer they come back to st john's :D 1086405;1428071130;nubbins`;ah, the seasonal homeless 1086406;1428071135;mircea_popescu;Chillum greece is the main example of a certain way to run a country, which is : make promises to whatever power, then not keep the promises see what it does. 1086407;1428071147;mircea_popescu;italy was run this way pretty much 500ad - 2015 ad. 1086408;1428071155;Chillum;yup. They are handling the global currency collapse in a very tactical manner 1086409;1428071168;mircea_popescu;ocasionally the hre would come over, the local whores (ie, married women) fucked the soldiers raw. 1086410;1428071168;nubbins`;sign a lease, move out a month early and leave 35 bags worth of trash behind 1086411;1428071201;Chillum;we don't give them places to live 1086412;1428071205;mircea_popescu;not even. sign the lease, expect leasor to buy you drinks at the bar, sublet the place to a bunch of other dudes, never pay a dime in rent 1086413;1428071213;Chillum;finding a place to live around here is hard even for a local 1086414;1428071217;mircea_popescu;THEN leave, two months late and leave dead hookers in the matresses. 1086415;1428071228;Chillum;we have almost no vacancies here 1086416;1428071236;nubbins`;vacancy was below 1% here for a while 1086417;1428071242;nubbins`;market's cooling off now 1086418;1428071263;Chillum;If you want a place you basically have to wait for the university to let out, so once a year 1086419;1428071284;nubbins`;or around the new year when all the first-year students flunk out 1086420;1428071287;nubbins`;but who wants to move in winter? 1086421;1428071303;mircea_popescu;We may have to go into a silent arrears process" << check it out, they have a word for it and everything! 1086422;1428071310;nubbins`;silent arrears 1086423;1428071311;nubbins`;i like that 1086424;1428071321;mircea_popescu;nonono 1086425;1428071323;nubbins`;"we won't tell anyone when the money is gone" 1086426;1428071327;Chillum;is that like a silent fart? 1086427;1428071330;mircea_popescu;you don't understand. A silent arrears PROCESS. 1086428;1428071333;nubbins`;o o o! 1086429;1428071339;nubbins`;my focus was diverted 1086430;1428071340;mircea_popescu;you see ? a! like, there are others, this is just one of a class! 1086431;1428071345;mircea_popescu;and it's a process! 1086432;1428071352;nubbins`;dat process 1086433;1428071353;mircea_popescu;not a state or anything, phenomena baby. 1086434;1428071359;nubbins`;i bet they have a "roadmap" 1086435;1428071364;mircea_popescu;o, obviously. 1086436;1428071372;nubbins`;1) use all moniez 1086437;1428071372;mircea_popescu;i dunno who the overgrown infants think they're fooling, 1086438;1428071374;mircea_popescu;but it must be someone. 1086439;1428071376;nubbins`;2) ??? 1086440;1428071382;nubbins`;3) profit! 1086441;1428071409;mircea_popescu;anyway, i kinda like the way this works. 1086442;1428071427;mircea_popescu;basically, in the 70s stupid dudes in government decided to force men to pay for stupid women in the house. 1086443;1428071444;mircea_popescu;the process took a few decades to come to roost, but now stupid countries are behaving comensurate with that. 1086444;1428071465;mircea_popescu;so... i suppose the us, germany and whoever else has money must pay for the house where greece fucks random dudes and "raises the children" 1086445;1428071473;mircea_popescu;it's teh law! 1086446;1428071497;mircea_popescu;and, obviously, the "welfare of the children" is the chief concern. 1086447;1428071500;mircea_popescu;so, payup. 1086448;1428071506;nubbins`;bbl 1086449;1428071785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted to the britton woods system ? when's the last time a government said fu, we're not going to do what you want us to do so we fail electorally ? 1086450;1428071803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00027454 = 2.0316 BTC [+] 1086451;1428071918;Chillum;longing for the days of feudalism? 1086452;1428071940;Chillum;back then if you could not manage a land it was given to someone else 1086453;1428071985;mircea_popescu;i don't think feudalism is avoidable since internet. 1086454;1428072001;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086281 << srs, hang people for that ? it's just fucking design. 1086455;1428072001;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 11:47:21; nubbins`: mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer" 1086456;1428072012;mircea_popescu;next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be. 1086457;1428072017;Chillum;when more complex forms of government fail it always reverts to a simpler form 1086458;1428072052;Chillum;it seems current government and monetary policies seek to be intentionally complex to avoid understanding of it 1086459;1428072058;mircea_popescu;Chillum a) feudalism is the most complex form to date b) democracy hasn't failed, it succeeded. like communism. turns out nobody can stand its final form. 1086460;1428072075;mircea_popescu;mebbe see http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ 1086461;1428072076;assbot;Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQRGcB ) 1086462;1428072901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00027454 = 5.4359 BTC [+] 1086463;1428073268;mircea_popescu;!up cnerd 1086464;1428073303;mircea_popescu;shoot. 1086465;1428073313;cnerd;yea, ok, awesome 1086466;1428073324;cnerd;I see that you have encountered these dudes DD4BC some time ago 1086467;1428073339;mircea_popescu;!s dd4bc 1086468;1428073340;assbot;1 results for 'dd4bc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dd4bc 1086469;1428073380;mircea_popescu;weirdly this rings no bells. 1086470;1428073399;cnerd;let me remind you :) 1086471;1428073399;cnerd;http://trilema.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/ 1086472;1428073400;assbot;The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d'armes of the retarded generation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW6bEI ) 1086473;1428073419;mircea_popescu;o wait, with the ddos. ok ok. 1086474;1428073444;cnerd;yea, same dude(s). So, what happened, did they follow up with a more serious attack afterwards? 1086475;1428073467;mircea_popescu;not that i'm specifically aware. probably, at least tried. 1086476;1428073507;cnerd;so, nothing serious, i guess? They gave up pretty fast, didnt they? 1086477;1428073606;mircea_popescu;well, it's not so cut and dried. the thing is inequality online is readily misrepresented because things appear for no good reason as very equalitarian. take the much related fetlife debacle (here : https://www.google.com/search?q=trilema+fetlife+butthurt ) 1086478;1428073607;assbot;trilema fetlife butthurt - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW76oT ) 1086479;1428073623;mircea_popescu;so they sent a bs complaint, i replied, they sent a dmca, i counternotified, they went away beaten. 1086480;1428073646;mircea_popescu;would they have done the same if i didn't have a lawyer ready to sue ? no. had the dc been more scared of me than of them if i hadn't etc ? no. 1086481;1428073658;mircea_popescu;so, it can be very serious or not serious at all depending on who you are. 1086482;1428073674;mircea_popescu;do you own your servers which you colocate ? do you rent time on a shared server ? these things matter. 1086483;1428073725;cnerd;I pretty much understand what you are saying. Thanks for your time, man, you were incredibly helpful 1086484;1428073727;mircea_popescu;they happen to matter a whole of a heck more than whether you're either right or reasonable, as it happens. 1086485;1428073731;mircea_popescu;np. 1086486;1428073781;asciilifeform;;;later tell nubbins` can't felch it from the OS at runtime? << os does not know your external ip, if you are behind a nat. as, e.g., a pogo is overwhelmingly likely to be. 1086487;1428073782;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1086488;1428073808;mircea_popescu;you know incidentally this fucking sucks. 1086489;1428073824;mircea_popescu;artifexd baby we need that thing so we can use it as a model to make a new dhcp too! 1086490;1428073834;asciilifeform; there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight. << anybody have a talmud handy ? 1086491;1428073874;asciilifeform;scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc << nah it was glass. but the whole rest of the thing appear to be plastic, except for a few pins and motor casings. 1086492;1428073922;mircea_popescu;okok. rishonim as opposed to achronim, modern commentary as opposed to ancient. and the kotzker guy is just some famous rabbi. 1086493;1428073976;asciilifeform; asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted << greece et al are resource-burners. like wherever it was that '30s u.s. farmers burned wheat and poured out milk into latrines. the paper serfdom that results from the eventual 're-creditation' of the delinquent debtors 1086494;1428073976;asciilifeform; is just a bonus. 1086495;1428073986;artifexd;A dhcp? 1086496;1428074004;mircea_popescu;yes. 1086497;1428074028;mircea_popescu;universal ip, as a sha512 hash. no more of this "os doesn't know its ip" bs. 1086498;1428074045;asciilifeform;ipv6-style ? 1086499;1428074057;mircea_popescu;who the fuck thought that's even a workable scheme... 1086500;1428074062;asciilifeform;which? 1086501;1428074066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. ipv6 is fatally flawed in that it has no wot. 1086502;1428074070;asciilifeform;well sure 1086503;1428074071;mircea_popescu;the ipv4. 1086504;1428074090;asciilifeform;ipv4 works other than the no-wot aspect 1086505;1428074097;mircea_popescu;lmao 1086506;1428074124;asciilifeform;'this cow is great except that it was bombed at guernica and doesn't look much like a cow any more' 1086507;1428074131;mircea_popescu;you mean ipv4 works other than the "it doesn't allow every idiot online" aspect. gotta keep it under 10 mn or so. 1086508;1428074136;asciilifeform;aha. 1086509;1428074175;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re greece, i see that they're resource burners. that's not the q. 1086510;1428074182;mircea_popescu;the q is, they just made a claim to sovereignity. 1086511;1428074209;asciilifeform;they can make a claim to being martians with telepathic powers. my answer is answer to why no one comes in with bulldozer and whore cages 1086512;1428074227;mircea_popescu;i don't see how it answers that ? 1086513;1428074267;asciilifeform;they do exactly what is expected of'em. 1086514;1428074276;mircea_popescu;there is after all a difference between farmer burning his own crop and guy going and burning other people's things. 1086515;1428074280;asciilifeform;sorta like u.s. credit card chumps 1086516;1428074286;mircea_popescu;well yes but this can be said universally of anyone. 1086517;1428074296;asciilifeform;when other people helpfully bring you their things to burn 1086518;1428074318;mircea_popescu;seems to me a misrepresentation of the situation. 1086519;1428074318;asciilifeform;last i checked, greek panzers weren't overrunning germany and collecting all that isn't screwed down 1086520;1428074327;mircea_popescu;the imf didn't give them money so as not to get it back. 1086521;1428074340;mircea_popescu;so they're fraudsters rather than thieves ? 1086522;1428074345;asciilifeform;aha 1086523;1428074348;mircea_popescu;undisputed, but what does it help. 1086524;1428074355;asciilifeform;but the symbiotic fraud described by orlov et al 1086525;1428074359;mircea_popescu;all conmen ever claim to live at the pleasure of the king, of course. 1086526;1428074362;mircea_popescu;but... they do not in fact. 1086527;1428074405;asciilifeform;the other function of feeding the greeks is to prevent them from coming up for islamic fire sale like they did last time. 1086528;1428074422;mircea_popescu;how come nobody is lending the ukraine 100 bn then ? 1086529;1428074429;mircea_popescu;they could waste it better than the greeks their 20. 1086530;1428074433;asciilifeform;they did, and did! 1086531;1428074444;mircea_popescu;nah, they got some pittance, bn and half. 1086532;1428074446;asciilifeform;not quite 100 1086533;1428074447;asciilifeform;aha 1086534;1428074475;asciilifeform;why does one u.s. idiot get a 50K 'platinum' while another a 0.5K 'turd' ? 1086535;1428074478;asciilifeform;same idea 1086536;1428074490;mircea_popescu;anyway, i think putin is having string orgasms. imagine, greece in a compact with russia! sub bases ALL THROUGH THE ISLANDS. 1086537;1428074501;mircea_popescu;ru navy staff is probably all drunk today 1086538;1428074550;mircea_popescu;worst mission in the history of armed forces. "here are some fjords. find the subs. ALL OF THEM." 1086539;1428074577;punkman;they are probably waiting until the US bases run out of money 1086540;1428074594;mircea_popescu;unless they can find a way to run them in a vms or something. 1086541;1428074643;mircea_popescu;from a greek perspective, switching bases every 10 years would be the best outcome, they can hire poor polacks to manage for the construction work. 1086542;1428074731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00027371 = 3.3529 BTC [-] 1086543;1428074845;punkman;ah they are gonna pay after all http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/03/us-eurozone-greece-payment-idUSKBN0MU0M620150403 1086544;1428074846;assbot; Greece says ready to make IMF payment on April 9| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLihMi ) 1086545;1428074871;mircea_popescu;is that actual or reuters confabulating 1086546;1428074914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00027046 = 14.2262 BTC [-] {2} 1086547;1428074947;mircea_popescu;"Mr. Theocharakis never characterized the technical teams of the institutions with the phrase attributed to him," the ministry said in a statement. "On the contrary ... he referred to them as saying they include 'top-notch people with impressive skills.'" 1086548;1428074976;mircea_popescu;alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!" 1086549;1428074990;punkman;heh 1086550;1428075301;mats;http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/dsm/4958797469.html 1086551;1428075303;assbot;best of craigslist: Disk Ripper for sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWeWi0 ) 1086552;1428075371;trinque;https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150402/15274630528/fbi-uncovers-another-its-own-plots-senator-feinstein-responds-saying-we-should-censor-internet.shtml << have to censor the internet because of the Anarchist's Cookbook... what year is it?!?! 1086553;1428075373;assbot;FBI Uncovers Another Of Its Own Plots, Senator Feinstein Responds By Saying We Should Censor The Internet | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWfdSn ) 1086554;1428075423;Chillum;Senators are funny 1086555;1428075463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00027458 = 9.171 BTC [+] {2} 1086556;1428075707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00027 = 7.371 BTC [-] 1086557;1428075944;mircea_popescu;"we" ? what fucking we. 1086558;1428075954;mircea_popescu;there's no we. scammers always start with this "we" business. 1086559;1428076182;Chillum;we are not amused 1086560;1428076625;asciilifeform;the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally. 1086561;1428076671;asciilifeform;(though i cannot say whether the most supremely ludicrous recipes, like the 'banana dope', date to the original authorship or not) 1086562;1428076830;asciilifeform;http://news.yahoo.com/u-arrests-two-women-over-alleged-bomb-plot-155326569.html ^ the l0l from trinque's link 1086563;1428076832;assbot;Two New York City women accused of planning 'terrorist attack' - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLqi3Y ) 1086564;1428076835;asciilifeform;so they're doing gurlz now. 1086565;1428076839;asciilifeform;that, i suppose, is new. 1086566;1428076878;Chillum;soon you will have to take your bra off in airports 1086567;1428076892;*;Chillum needs the support! 1086568;1428076921;asciilifeform;the day of the first uterus bomb approaches. 1086569;1428076924;trinque;asciilifeform: I knew a kid in junior high who was convinced the banana peel thing was real 1086570;1428076930;trinque;fuckin moron he was 1086571;1428076930;asciilifeform;trinque: he tested ? 1086572;1428076944;trinque;I think he tried to rot some banana peels, yeah 1086573;1428076948;trinque;or whatever the procedure was 1086574;1428076949;Chillum;I imagine smoking most plant matter will do _something_ 1086575;1428076959;Chillum;if only make you dizzy 1086576;1428076991;trinque;probably inhaling sand would make you a bit dizzy 1086577;1428077032;asciilifeform;'The women, former roommates in the city borough of Queens, had researched how to build an explosive device and had read textbooks on electricity and watched online videos about soldering, it said.' 1086578;1428077035;asciilifeform;soldering! 1086579;1428077038;asciilifeform;burn the witches. 1086580;1428077062;asciilifeform;'When they were arrested, agents found bomb-building materials including propane gas tanks, soldering tools, pipes, a pressure cooker and fertilizer, authorities said.' 1086581;1428077079;asciilifeform;^ how many folks on my street qualify to join these gurlz in the jail. 1086582;1428077153;trinque;sounds like an average suburban shed 1086583;1428077162;Chillum;reading textbooks! 1086584;1428077176;asciilifeform;watched online videos about soldering ! 1086585;1428077178;nubbins`;i think all this uint stuff is just a symptom of our boost installs being totally hosed 1086586;1428077196;asciilifeform;nubbins`: uses same boost as my original portatronic 1086587;1428077204;asciilifeform;nubbins`: which worked flawlessly on my boxes 1086588;1428077214;nubbins`;sure, i mean i don't think it's putting itself together properly 1086589;1428077215;nubbins`;check this out 1086590;1428077232;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3x19hUaP 1086591;1428077233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9iCPs ) 1086592;1428077250;nubbins`;that was my latest, right? after i applied the kill int and dns snip patches 1086593;1428077265;nubbins`;but notice how each error lists /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/cstdint.hpp:263 1086594;1428077266;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this is a -result- of my int patch 1086595;1428077272;nubbins`;o 1086596;1428077273;asciilifeform;it doesn't really fix things 1086597;1428077296;nubbins`;anyway, i actually went into cstdint.hpp and replaced a few uint32_t instances with boost::uint32_t 1086598;1428077305;nubbins`;and now when i run ./auto.sh, i get: 1086599;1428077311;asciilifeform;because what ends up happening is that the uints end up being undefined in at least one place -without- the patch, but -defined more than once- if -with- 1086600;1428077336;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P58bTpz3 1086601;1428077337;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9iS12 ) 1086602;1428077427;nubbins`;i'm admittedly out of my league here but that's complete vomit from 9 different orifices 1086603;1428077729;nubbins`;ah fuck 1086604;1428077737;nubbins`;no, that's not the right way to do it at all 1086605;1428077753;nubbins`;hold on now 1086606;1428077831;mircea_popescu;lmao electricity and soldering. 1086607;1428077839;mircea_popescu;fascinating just how ignorant muricans are these days. 1086608;1428077882;mike_c;because the average ____ knows how to solder? 1086609;1428077896;mircea_popescu;i would expect ? 1086610;1428077902;mircea_popescu;the average romanian knows how to solder. 1086611;1428077938;mircea_popescu;what's to know, even. and don't give me the ny longshoreman's union line. 1086612;1428077966;mike_c;not much to know, but it's not genetic. 1086613;1428077970;mike_c;gotta learn sometime 1086614;1428078032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: average ro gurl knows ? 1086615;1428078036;mircea_popescu;yeah, generally when dad's tinkering in garage. 1086616;1428078048;mircea_popescu;no, average gurl can make goulash. 1086617;1428078056;mircea_popescu;"The complaint said Siddiqui had been in contact with al Qaeda members and Velentzas was Facebook friends with Tairod Pugh, a U.S. Air Force veteran charged with attempting to aid Islamic State, a militant group that holds territory in Iraq and Syria. Pugh, 47, of Neptune, New Jersey, pleaded not guilty last month." 1086618;1428078060;mircea_popescu;they pleaded!!!! 1086619;1428078069;mircea_popescu;ah the adorbs imbecility of the english speaker. 1086620;1428078085;mircea_popescu;inb4 pleaderated. 1086621;1428078094;ben_vulpes;pleadarasty 1086622;1428078094;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and i don't think they even have peine forte et dure any more, in the english lands. 1086623;1428078147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29229 @ 0.00027 = 7.8918 BTC [-] 1086624;1428078392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25225 @ 0.00027 = 6.8108 BTC [-] 1086625;1428078515;nubbins`;total noob q here, why does boost redefine all these stdint types anyway 1086626;1428078969;asciilifeform;nubbins`: because it was written by pig-men 1086627;1428079009;nubbins`;lel. 1086628;1428079037;nubbins`;y'know debian etc are probably just assuming one definition or the other 1086629;1428079047;nubbins`;rather than halting at the ambiguity 1086630;1428079071;nubbins`;if you wanna play whack-a-mole, here's a start: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Cnbdqf0Y 1086631;1428079072;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GScSOP ) 1086632;1428079072;trinque;when presented with an ambiguous choice, always best to choose arbitrarily 1086633;1428079074;trinque;lol 1086634;1428079103;nubbins`;the correct way would i guess be to rip the boost namespace out of there 1086635;1428079111;nubbins`;and explicitly declare it when needed 1086636;1428079121;nubbins`;but i can imagine this'd be a bit of a task 1086637;1428079182;nubbins`;unless there's a pressing need to use non-boost types, it's prob fine to just explicitly use the boost ones. not like the libs aren't being included anyway 1086638;1428079330;asciilifeform;nubbins`: except then the non-boost libs cough and die 1086639;1428079354;asciilifeform;what must be discovered is - why this happens during this static build 1086640;1428079361;asciilifeform;and not otherwise. 1086641;1428079382;asciilifeform;my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint. 1086642;1428079386;asciilifeform;(see earlier thread.) 1086643;1428079422;nubbins`;incidentally, there ARE other declarations of uint32_t in those files 1086644;1428079435;asciilifeform;but they presumably agree with one another 1086645;1428079436;nubbins`;they all appear to have the boost:: prefix except for the couple of instances in above patch 1086646;1428079445;asciilifeform;(and with libs) 1086647;1428079451;nubbins`;why these random couple of instances don't have boost:: is beyond me 1086648;1428079454;asciilifeform;that -or- gcc simply doesn't get there 1086649;1428079462;asciilifeform;dies before they get evaluated. 1086650;1428079484;asciilifeform;this is another aspect of 'c/cpp ecosystem' that rattles nerves 1086651;1428079488;nubbins`;seems weird you'd fall back to the non-boost version for these couple of random instances. 1086652;1428079497;asciilifeform;you -don't actually ever know- if the barf you now have is the -total- barf. 1086653;1428079550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00027479 = 4.3966 BTC [+] {2} 1086654;1428079707;jurov;there could be some c++ namespace hackery 1086655;1428079718;nubbins`;oh there's that. 1086656;1428079727;asciilifeform;jurov: aha yes there is, look. 1086657;1428079735;jurov;so that the boost:: prefix is needed depending on what is #included 1086658;1428080038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38506 @ 0.00027 = 10.3966 BTC [-] 1086659;1428080592;asciilifeform;trinque: that indictment is pure gold 1086660;1428080597;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: qntra ^ ? 1086661;1428080694;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086332 you mean such decrees as this? http://valdaiclub.com/russia_in_foreign_media/56980.html 1086662;1428080694;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 13:48:47; mircea_popescu: jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc. 1086663;1428080696;assbot;Putin decree targets elite’s foreign assets ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCcT6s ) 1086664;1428080744;asciilifeform;jurov: if you were king you would let sc4mz0rz squirrel away the nation's wealth in american banks ? 1086665;1428080748;mircea_popescu;"into the countrys top-level bureaucrats and state employees " 1086666;1428080751;mircea_popescu;see the difference ? 1086667;1428080773;mircea_popescu;confiscating the bureaucracy's "money" is not even on the table. 1086668;1428080785;mircea_popescu;anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright. 1086669;1428080863;jurov;lol, you have never interacted with the govt? 1086670;1428080871;mircea_popescu;nope. 1086671;1428080874;jurov;or anyone in the US had? 1086672;1428080878;mircea_popescu;that's their problem. 1086673;1428080885;mircea_popescu;but no, i never cashed a govt paycheck. 1086674;1428080893;mircea_popescu;which is why i don't have to report my fortune etc. 1086675;1428080905;jurov;you ever paid any taxes? 1086676;1428080912;mircea_popescu;all the time. 1086677;1428080926;jurov;and that's not "having interacted"? 1086678;1428080941;mircea_popescu;not what i meant eh. 1086679;1428080947;asciilifeform; anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted 1086680;1428080949;asciilifeform;owns 1086681;1428080951;asciilifeform;not 'lost' 1086682;1428080974;asciilifeform;perhaps converse is to be inserted as well - anything that one -lost- from interacting with government, ought to be returned. 1086683;1428080983;asciilifeform;except thermodynamics gets in the way 1086684;1428080987;asciilifeform;they long ate and shat it. 1086685;1428081001;Chillum;feed it to the mushrooms 1086686;1428081017;Chillum;feed them shit, keep them in the dark 1086687;1428081035;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can see a plan to have everyone who ever worked for a government shipped to the salt mines until the whole sum is made back. 1086688;1428081049;mircea_popescu;"here's how much you group of criminals owe. the pay is X an hour. get busy." 1086689;1428081051;jurov;aha. and why it's so important that putin "didn't write", but just takes as he seems fit without elaborating on paper? 1086690;1428081060;mircea_popescu;because rule of law jurov. 1086691;1428081078;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to be a thief, it's another to pretend not to be a thief. 1086692;1428081108;mircea_popescu;which is why i write about people like bfl on trilema, but not about any one of the countless heists. 1086693;1428081108;asciilifeform;jurov: what thing of yours did mr p take? i'd like to hear the full story here 1086694;1428081124;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well how'd he know. 1086695;1428081189;jurov;alf whines all the time about as if obama took something from him.. so i'm trying to compare 1086696;1428081200;asciilifeform;jurov: mr o takes half of what i make. 1086697;1428081206;asciilifeform;and then some 1086698;1428081213;asciilifeform;and will probably sign my hanging papers eventually 1086699;1428081215;mircea_popescu;they have taxes in russia too don';t they ? 1086700;1428081220;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 15% flat 1086701;1428081222;asciilifeform;FLAT 1086702;1428081234;asciilifeform;last i checked. 1086703;1428081242;mircea_popescu;ya ya, except if you become an "oligarch", then they invent imaginary arears and steal your shit. 1086704;1428081253;trinque;asciilifeform: what has you so convinced your head is going to roll? 1086705;1428081259;asciilifeform;which 'oligarch' didn't steal 'his' money from the public in ru ? 1086706;1428081262;asciilifeform;during 'privatization' 1086707;1428081267;mircea_popescu;entirely different story. 1086708;1428081288;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not different at all. anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright. 1086709;1428081290;mircea_popescu;"steal from the public" is what, microsoft ? jp manufacturer of resistors ? 1086710;1428081314;asciilifeform;how did the dekulakized folks in ru make their dough ? 1086711;1428081329;mircea_popescu;well, the papers show they bought and sold. 1086712;1428081332;mircea_popescu;this is fine. 1086713;1428081339;mircea_popescu;they didn't, yoiu know, take employment with the govt. 1086714;1428081340;asciilifeform;'bought' for fire sale price from dead lion 1086715;1428081341;mircea_popescu;and so... 1086716;1428081346;mircea_popescu;not their problem. 1086717;1428081347;asciilifeform;as crown concession from new regime 1086718;1428081351;asciilifeform;crown gave - crown took. 1086719;1428081353;mircea_popescu;also not their problem. 1086720;1428081354;mircea_popescu;mno. 1086721;1428081366;mircea_popescu;if i buy something from you, you're not "taking" it. 1086722;1428081391;asciilifeform;if i'm only 'selling' for a penny because you torched my house the day before - then yes, took. 1086723;1428081391;mircea_popescu;these are unequal things. commerce is between equal parties. employment is between unequal parties. 1086724;1428081401;mircea_popescu;it makes no difference. don't want to sell, don't sell. 1086725;1428081418;asciilifeform;the commerce between the arsonist and his victim is not commerce. 1086726;1428081419;mircea_popescu;otherwise we'll start having to take back the ilk of shrem because hey, "they torched his house". 1086727;1428081423;mircea_popescu;you still don't fucking sign. 1086728;1428081440;mircea_popescu;once you've settled, you've settled. 1086729;1428081464;asciilifeform;i mean i get the basic idea, 'to the victor - the spoils, to the vanqushed - the tears' 1086730;1428081484;mircea_popescu;it's just, unlike things are and remain unlike. 1086731;1428081489;asciilifeform;but what's with the dress-up games. if tomorrow yesterday's victor and vanquished switch places - the former doesn't get to whine about 'violations' 1086732;1428081502;asciilifeform;same right of might as his original rape 1086733;1428081504;mircea_popescu;depends on how the stuff was formalised. 1086734;1428081507;asciilifeform;except the cock's on the other pudenda now. 1086735;1428081516;mircea_popescu;which is what rule of law is all about. 1086736;1428081529;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow it is discovered bharara was acting under mere color of law, 1086737;1428081537;mircea_popescu;the people who didn't sign a confession walk 1086738;1428081542;mircea_popescu;the people who did sign a confession stay in. 1086739;1428081544;asciilifeform;if the law gets scrapped and re-written every time the throne changes hands - what is the law ? 1086740;1428081557;mircea_popescu;that really has no bearing on the case here. 1086741;1428081557;Chillum;If I was involved in the formation of a new regime I would institute a policy of mercy on the old regime. If only because any new regime is likely to be taken over by the next 1086742;1428081572;Chillum;want to set a precedent 1086743;1428081576;mircea_popescu;Chillum it's a stupider idea than you realise. 1086744;1428081576;*;mats slaps forehead 1086745;1428081584;asciilifeform;Chillum: we all get eaten by worms in the end. why not start now. right ? 1086746;1428081597;asciilifeform;l0l 1086747;1428081598;Chillum;I intend to be eaten by wolves 1086748;1428081604;mircea_popescu;consider the matter in terms you're better equipped to handle. if, upon breaking up a girl with her former boyfriend, you institute a policy that she may fuck him whenever, 1086749;1428081605;mats;kill yourself 1086750;1428081615;mircea_popescu;you're merely stating that you're not really the new boyfriend. 1086751;1428081616;trinque;maybe Chillum is referring to what happened in Iraq for example, where former baathists end up in ISIS 1086752;1428081617;asciilifeform;mats: he can't, no wolf in sight yet 1086753;1428081622;mircea_popescu;they'll revert and you'll be out of the loop soon enough. 1086754;1428081626;Chillum;trinque: ^^ 1086755;1428081633;Chillum;yup 1086756;1428081642;Chillum;plan for failure 1086757;1428081651;mircea_popescu;if you plan for failure, go home. 1086758;1428081654;mats;ought to have properly executed every last baathist. 1086759;1428081664;Chillum;failure to plan for failure is the ultimate failure 1086760;1428081667;mircea_popescu;ha. you and what army mats ? 1086761;1428081677;trinque;"they" "should" 1086762;1428081682;trinque;the them! 1086763;1428081685;asciilifeform;anyone recall the folk tale where the headsman is ordered to chop own head ? 1086764;1428081686;mircea_popescu;oic. yes, they should. and they actually do. 1086765;1428081696;mircea_popescu;part of why isis seems respectable where the usarmy does not. 1086766;1428081746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14089 @ 0.00027 = 3.804 BTC [-] 1086767;1428081806;asciilifeform;i'll respect when they build so much as one mosfet. or a hydro plant. or own radar array. or at least stop using fucking caesar ciphers. 1086768;1428081819;trinque;asciilifeform: can't, science is from satan 1086769;1428081835;trinque;maybe they're respectable like one respects a forest fire 1086770;1428081837;asciilifeform;trinque: atheist kalash is also from satan, doesn't prevent the 'doublethink' 1086771;1428081853;asciilifeform;trinque: forest fires can't be tricked and tripped like a child. 1086772;1428081856;trinque;not in terms of thinking creatures, though 1086773;1428081884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yeah, if they actually were intellectually respectable i'd prolly be there. 1086774;1428081899;mircea_popescu;but we were discussing agency rather than techne here 1086775;1428081901;asciilifeform;when the ancients anthropomorphisized nature and 'respected', e.g., the sea, it was because it was -indomitable- 1086776;1428081911;mircea_popescu;not necessarily. 1086777;1428081915;asciilifeform;go try respect a puddle 1086778;1428081926;trinque;it's too early in the morning for this zen shit 1086779;1428081928;trinque;:p 1086780;1428081951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform danae fucked a (pee) puddle was pregnant. 1086781;1428081996;trinque;seems like isis is just good kindling for a larger middle eastern war 1086782;1428082057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rain, not puddle 1086783;1428082059;asciilifeform;rain is respectable. 1086784;1428082066;trinque;I wouldn't expect them to continue to exist if/when that kicks off 1086785;1428082073;mircea_popescu;golden rain tho. 1086786;1428082076;mircea_popescu;if that's not piss... 1086787;1428082078;trinque;though I wish I understood the saudi/iran dynamic more 1086788;1428082084;mircea_popescu;(and yes, you can end up pregnant from piss) 1086789;1428082098;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pH ? 1086790;1428082113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00027493 = 6.4334 BTC [+] {2} 1086791;1428082117;mircea_popescu;the little buggers are really persistent. 1086792;1428082119;asciilifeform;i suppose you only need one spermatozoid 1086793;1428082148;asciilifeform;(though modern data suggests they have flock dynamics and pheromonal strange, like ants) 1086794;1428082160;mircea_popescu;which is weird, considering. 1086795;1428082171;mircea_popescu;but yeah, i recall some stuff about how white sperms beat up black sperms. 1086796;1428082211;*;asciilifeform does not recall 'fighting sperm' but there was the gradient-following thing 1086797;1428082296;trinque;https://www.theverge.com/2014/7/29/5948003/scientists-discover-killer-roundworm-sperm-hermaphrodites 1086798;1428082308;asciilifeform;'On or about October 24, 2014, VELENTZAS viewed on her cellular telephone YouTube videos about a beginner's tutorial for soldering, tools and steps for soldering and de-soldering, how to solder wires together, how to solder a circuit board, common soldering mistakes, and introduction to flux, a product used in soldering tasks.' 1086799;1428082333;mircea_popescu;... 1086800;1428082338;mircea_popescu;you have got to be kidding me. 1086801;1428082346;asciilifeform;( http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1700764-velentzas-and-siddiqui-complaint.html#document/p2 ) 1086802;1428082346;assbot;Velentzas and Siddiqui Complaint ... ( http://bit.ly/1CChaqq ) 1086803;1428082382;mircea_popescu;i would imagine by now the number of retarded people being abused through this scandalous mockery of law exceeds the "sex offenders" 1086804;1428082401;mircea_popescu;but hey, the us is solving its homeless population, and the un doesn't even seem to notice or anything. 1086805;1428082418;mircea_popescu;what about sanctions for human rights violations in africa's most recent presidential autocracy ? 1086806;1428082503;asciilifeform;'VELENTZAS also told the UC that she was progressing in her electrical studies and had used a solder tool to solder copper wires together, although VELENTZAS had suffered a small burn on her finger in the process. The UC observed a burn mark on VELENTZAS's finger.' 1086807;1428082798;asciilifeform;https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption << mega-l0l 1086808;1428082799;assbot;ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCirhj ) 1086809;1428082871;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i got a response from fortune, not the one i was hoping for either 1086810;1428082872;asciilifeform;'https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption / CTIA - "The Best App of CTIA by the Techlicious 2012 Best of CTIA Awards" / PC Magazine - "PC Magazine Best Apps" / TRUSTe - Received "TRUSTe Privacy Seal" / Global Mobile Internet Conference App Space - "A top 50 app" ......... Looks like a substitution cipher. What if it's just XOR? Like just fuckin' XOR?' 1086811;1428082893;mircea_popescu;do they indicate where to send process ? 1086812;1428082907;asciilifeform;cazalla, mircea_popescu: toldya they'd say 'pound sand' 1086813;1428082913;cazalla;http://dpaste.com/2E1T9JN 1086814;1428082914;assbot;dpaste: 2E1T9JN ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCiJ7I ) 1086815;1428082952;mircea_popescu;da fuck do i care what the idiot has to say lmao. 1086816;1428083017;asciilifeform;judge will say 'hated terrorist vs. fortune co.' 'case closed.' 1086817;1428083097;asciilifeform;or what, mircea_popescu expects to get in the mail a package with the head of the fella who signed the 'do not cite qntra' memo taped on 'fortune' monkeys' cubicles ? 1086818;1428083145;asciilifeform;the 'we did not claim they broke the news' thing is pure gold. 1086819;1428083174;mircea_popescu;cazalla i'd say they'd banned from qntra, and we just rewrite their breaking stuff without credit given, but then again they've not broken anything since like the 80s, they just rewrite random feeds. 1086820;1428083202;asciilifeform;if someone steals his golden toilet, and thief answers 'i did not claim it was mine, just took it' ? 1086821;1428083227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not a matter of i expect to get that head. i am getting that head. 1086822;1428083233;asciilifeform;but not in the mail 1086823;1428083239;mircea_popescu;in whatever manner. 1086824;1428083240;asciilifeform;and not because of a verdict from an american court. 1086825;1428083251;mircea_popescu;if that is true, that is to their detriment. 1086826;1428083353;mircea_popescu;they don't as much as have a fucking legal address on the site, anything. 1086827;1428083359;mircea_popescu;it could be a blogspot blog for all anyone knows. 1086828;1428083912;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-gchq-jtrig-intercept-15-0402.pdf << mega-l0l. nsa/gchq spam campaigns to drum up support for british colonial falklands vs. argentina claim. 1086829;1428083929;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ^ this is still a thing!? l0l! 1086830;1428083955;mircea_popescu;well sure it is. 1086831;1428083974;cazalla;i looked for a legal contact, not finding anything, might have to be sent to time inc as they appear to own fortune.com 1086832;1428083980;asciilifeform;'GCHQ has consistently underperformed on Brazil, with growing concerns that Sth [sic] American attitudes on the Falklands are swinging behind Argentina....' 1086833;1428084171;mircea_popescu;cazalla http://dpaste.com/21W5GH3 1086834;1428084172;assbot;dpaste: 21W5GH3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1D10wlR ) 1086835;1428084248;cazalla;mircea_popescu, nice, i'll hold off responding to this daniel roberts fellow and see what comes of yours 1086836;1428084250;mircea_popescu;the point asciilifeform doesn't appreciate here is that i'd much rather spend 10k to sue forbes over a missatributed story than spend 10k to buy "clicks" on facebook or w/e. 1086837;1428084258;mircea_popescu;you can readily ignore the muppet. 1086838;1428084270;asciilifeform;probably same result from each 10k 1086839;1428084295;asciilifeform;but it's mircea_popescu's 10k, if he wants to spend it on a new coat of pain for dirigible - perfectly good 1086840;1428084300;asciilifeform;*paint 1086841;1428084319;cazalla;it's fortune.com really no difference 1086842;1428084323;mircea_popescu;the donkey said to the man breaking ground, that no grains grow in freshly broken ground. 1086843;1428084328;mircea_popescu;that's right. not yet, they don't. 1086844;1428084338;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897445 << ever read, 'A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court' by Twain? http://pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/digi038.pdf 1086845;1428084338;assbot;Logged on 26-10-2014 21:21:38; decimation: I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks 1086846;1428084341;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmSJ0 ) 1086847;1428084366;asciilifeform;mats: http://www.mvkworld.com/eBooks/pages/Science%20Fiction/Poul_William_Anderson_-_The_Man_Who_Came_Early.pdf << MUCH better story about same 1086848;1428084368;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmWs2 ) 1086849;1428084370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00027 = 1.863 BTC [-] 1086850;1428084383;mats;we'll see. 1086851;1428084410;asciilifeform;more realistic ending, for one. 1086852;1428084419;asciilifeform;and less sanctimonious twain bullshit 1086853;1428084479;mike_c;search.b-a issues a known problem? doesn't seem to have indexed the last few days 1086854;1428084544;mike_c;^ mthreat? 1086855;1428084640;mircea_popescu;which issues be those ? 1086856;1428084642;mircea_popescu;!s issues 1086857;1428084643;assbot;696 results for 'issues' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=issues 1086858;1428084663;mircea_popescu;Checking Query Cache For Query53 s 1086859;1428084671;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time 1086860;1428084696;mike_c;issues be it's not returning anything from the last couple days 1086861;1428084752;asciilifeform; checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time << ahahahahahaha 1086862;1428084771;mircea_popescu;!s fortune 1086863;1428084771;assbot;176 results for 'fortune' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fortune 1086864;1428084790;mircea_popescu;mike_c whoopsie hadn't noticed. 1086865;1428084807;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shut up dude. if advanced aliens show up they perforce know of caching 1086866;1428084812;mike_c;1/3 of the total time is 53 microseconds? that's pretty fast.. 1086867;1428084814;mircea_popescu;perhaps they even show us how to make one. 1086868;1428084826;mircea_popescu;mike_c game server whadda ya want 1086869;1428084828;asciilifeform;aliens - yes, on account of light speed. 1086870;1428084846;mike_c;ah. game time and web time are not the same orders of magnitude :) 1086871;1428084852;mircea_popescu;myeah 1086872;1428084875;mircea_popescu;this, i'll grant, is an insane piece of gnarl with three joins in it. for prototyping not really used in code. 1086873;1428084892;asciilifeform;browser that spends 56mS rooting through cache - thank sv and their stables of delinquent children turned into 'programmers' 1086874;1428084932;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sql profiling, nothing to do with browsers. 1086875;1428084936;trinque;ah three joins isn't that bad 1086876;1428084941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same rot 1086877;1428084945;mike_c;and he said us, not ms 1086878;1428084954;mircea_popescu;i really have no idea. and yes micro. 1086879;1428084979;asciilifeform;micro - less abjectly idiotic 1086880;1428085152;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080139 << ahem 1086881;1428085152;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 00:27:33; danielpbarron: search won't find results past this line -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079336 1086882;1428085170;asciilifeform;that's roughly 140000 cpu cycles on, e.g., my box, though 1086883;1428085182;cazalla;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086310 <<< what's DTF mean? down to fish? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHn79buv5-o 1086884;1428085182;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 12:23:47; nubbins`: broud was DTF at all times 1086885;1428085182;assbot;Chinese Guy Says to Girl "Are You DTF?" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D13Ddw ) 1086886;1428085203;nubbins`;haha 1086887;1428085207;nubbins`;down to fish, yeah 1086888;1428085223;asciilifeform;wut 1086889;1428085245;nubbins`;i kid 1086890;1428085249;nubbins`;down to FUCK, yo 1086891;1428085404;nubbins`;should have a patch on the ml in an hour or so, probably poison but feel free to give it a look 1086892;1428085529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00027 = 7.8975 BTC [-] 1086893;1428085773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00027071 = 4.6562 BTC [+] 1086894;1428086000;asciilifeform;nubbins`: what's in your patch ? 1086895;1428086109;nubbins`;modifies auto.sh to copy the openssl libs to ourlibs, adds boost:: to the errant uint32_t instances 1086896;1428086112;nubbins`;pretty hatchety 1086897;1428086152;nubbins`;build still stalls out with cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto 1086898;1428086173;nubbins`;i guess, anyway. verifying now 1086899;1428086270;mod6;this works "as designed" on deb6 - so you might wanna put a note in there what platform this is intended for. 1086900;1428086299;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UTehUrB2 1086901;1428086300;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvZqhP ) 1086902;1428086317;nubbins`;mod6 this isn't for consumption 1086903;1428086319;asciilifeform;jurov: do you still keep that bitcoind src concordance www thing up to date ? 1086904;1428086334;nubbins`;just playing around 1086905;1428086411;mod6;ok thx. your message at the top is good. much appreciated 1086906;1428086441;nubbins`;i will probably be doing this as a general rule going forward 1086907;1428086505;nubbins`;no code changes i make should be misconstrued as being implicitly sane in any fashion 1086908;1428086627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00027 = 6.0615 BTC [-] 1086909;1428086811;mats;asciilifeform: good read. 1086910;1428086862;nubbins`;hi hfdhfhfhurururhf 1086911;1428086870;asciilifeform;meowmix. 1086912;1428086874;nubbins`;8) 1086913;1428086890;asciilifeform;!up hfdhfhfhurururhf 1086914;1428086895;asciilifeform;robot, what is your purpose ? 1086915;1428086904;asciilifeform;i guess ^ that. 1086916;1428087115;nubbins`;if anyone else gets "1 target failed, 3 skipped" at the end of their Boost build: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MVWupgZj 1086917;1428087116;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw1G8Q ) 1086918;1428087119;nubbins`;that's them 1086919;1428087208;trinque;asciilifeform: https://i.imgur.com/XPYPHAJ.png 1086920;1428087209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw1V3Q ) 1086921;1428087211;cazalla;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086456 <<< women who care not to match the colour of their bra to their panties should def hang 1086922;1428087211;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be. 1086923;1428087256;asciilifeform;trinque: wat 1086924;1428087273;jurov;asciilifeform: how up to date? it does not apply patches automatically 1086925;1428087273;trinque;asciilifeform: grepped for the host part there 1086926;1428087278;cazalla;nothing gets me more riled up than a stupid bitch who doesn't match colours.. autism rages 1086927;1428087291;asciilifeform;jurov: ok then no 1086928;1428087368;mircea_popescu;the neverending fountain of weird shit... so alf get a load of this! 1086929;1428087393;mircea_popescu;i make a bootable gentoo cd. system boots fine on it. this was last night. today, i go to work on it again, IT NO LONGER BOOTS. 1086930;1428087399;mircea_popescu;same fucking everything untouched. 1086931;1428087413;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: left it running or powered down ? 1086932;1428087420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00027214 = 9.7834 BTC [+] {3} 1086933;1428087432;asciilifeform;and what's it do instead of booting 1086934;1428087463;mircea_popescu;powered down. and what it does INSTEAD of booting is what totally blew my mind 1086935;1428087468;mircea_popescu;one sec ima take a picture of it. 1086936;1428087543;jurov;wasn't it april fools cd? 1086937;1428087752;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/gentoo-derpage.jpg < 1086938;1428087753;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw3fDI ) 1086939;1428087756;mircea_popescu;can't access tty ? srsly ? 1086940;1428087767;mircea_popescu;can't find the boot device AFTER BOOTING FROM IT ? srsly ? 1086941;1428087787;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whatcha used for a boot loader ? 1086942;1428087789;asciilifeform;lilo ? 1086943;1428087809;asciilifeform;kernel wants rootfs device on kernelcommandline when boots 1086944;1428087818;mircea_popescu;w/e comes with the minimal install 1086945;1428087822;asciilifeform;was, judging by this photo, given none. 1086946;1428087824;asciilifeform;it wants one 1086947;1428087837;asciilifeform;or has no fucking clue where to mount root fs 1086948;1428087844;mircea_popescu;it didn't want one last night ;/ 1086949;1428087847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13164 @ 0.00027539 = 3.6252 BTC [+] {2} 1086950;1428087861;asciilifeform;was disk in the drive 1086951;1428087863;asciilifeform;last night 1086952;1428087879;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1086953;1428087882;asciilifeform;then. 1086954;1428087889;mircea_popescu;it's still in there now! 1086955;1428087903;mircea_popescu;nothing whatsoever changed. 1086956;1428087932;asciilifeform;try giving it the actual root device when it asks 1086957;1428087939;asciilifeform;instead of letting it die into busybox 1086958;1428087948;asciilifeform;(why even built it with busybox, i wonder) 1086959;1428087956;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 1086960;1428087961;mircea_popescu;moreover, im not aware i actually did 1086961;1428087968;asciilifeform;didja even build this kernel. 1086962;1428087969;mircea_popescu;and how the fuck does it not find the cd when it booted off the cd! 1086963;1428087995;asciilifeform;cd is not build to be usable as rootfs 1086964;1428088003;asciilifeform;*built 1086965;1428088024;asciilifeform;(typically it contains a thing that can be booted from and ends up living in ram, like my pogo 'turdel') 1086966;1428088045;asciilifeform;but not to be mounted as a rootfs by a normal kernel. 1086967;1428088053;mircea_popescu;look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work. 1086968;1428088063;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu poured diesel into petrol engine 1086969;1428088086;mircea_popescu;meh. 1086970;1428088091;asciilifeform;at any rate, give it the rootfs. 1086971;1428088106;asciilifeform;if boots, then stuff it into the kernel cmd line params in lilo (or grub or whatever you used) 1086972;1428088112;asciilifeform;then it will work for all time. 1086973;1428088122;asciilifeform;alternatively compile the cmdline into kernel per se 1086974;1428088129;asciilifeform;like i do on 'pogo' builds. 1086975;1428088130;mircea_popescu;if im going to actually have to do shit by hand im not going ot use the retarded "live cd" bs. 1086976;1428088138;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why these people keep offering offers they can't actually offer. 1086977;1428088172;asciilifeform;i very rarely install gentoo from cd, must say. normally i install using a normal computer with the 'patient' disk plugged in 1086978;1428088177;asciilifeform;as just a disk. 1086979;1428088202;asciilifeform;then when the contents are in place, we move disk to its final home and try to boot from it, etc. 1086980;1428088243;mircea_popescu;yeah well that's nice, but srsly... 1086981;1428088312;asciilifeform;look at your lilo (or grub) config. 1086982;1428088363;mircea_popescu;"The Gentoo minimal installation CD is a bootable CD which contains a self-sustained Gentoo environment. It allows the user to boot Linux from the CD." 1086983;1428088368;mircea_popescu;their fucking handbook or w/e that is. 1086984;1428088372;asciilifeform;sure does 1086985;1428088376;asciilifeform;-the linux on the cd- 1086986;1428088378;mircea_popescu;is the idea im booting gentoo off the cd and it gives me ash ?! 1086987;1428088391;asciilifeform;wai wat, did that box -boot from cd- ? 1086988;1428088393;asciilifeform;the one in the pic 1086989;1428088406;mircea_popescu;yes dude 1086990;1428088411;mircea_popescu;what do you think im going on about here! 1086991;1428088424;asciilifeform;though this was the second attempt to boot an -installed- linux. 1086992;1428088426;mircea_popescu;no. 1086993;1428088430;asciilifeform;! 1086994;1428088432;mircea_popescu;see, THAT would have made sense. 1086995;1428088447;*;asciilifeform like total idiot assumed the variant that makes sense. 1086996;1428088454;mircea_popescu;this is why i said you won't believe it. 1086997;1428088463;mircea_popescu;because a) even if the cd somehow failed it shouldnb't fail like this 1086998;1428088465;mircea_popescu;and b) wtf. 1086999;1428088471;asciilifeform;and this is a commonplace ibmpclike thing with ata cdrom, etc. ? 1087000;1428088480;mircea_popescu;yes. 1087001;1428088485;asciilifeform;not some crazy sun dildostation. 1087002;1428088486;asciilifeform;hm. 1087003;1428088524;mircea_popescu;and i mean sure w/e i could compile it and whatnot. 1087004;1428088529;mircea_popescu;but so far am very nonplussed. 1087005;1428088579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00027559 = 4.1476 BTC [+] 1087006;1428088608;asciilifeform;meanwhile, 1087007;1428088618;asciilifeform;==00:00:00:12.322 18417== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s) 1087008;1428088619;asciilifeform;==00:00:00:12.322 18417== at 0x4C7D43: CWallet::ResendWalletTransactions() (wallet.cpp:678) 1087009;1428088619;asciilifeform;==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x44A1EB: SendMessages(CNode*, bool) (main.cpp:156) 1087010;1428088619;asciilifeform;==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x47011C: ThreadMessageHandler2(void*) (net.cpp:1505) 1087011;1428088619;asciilifeform;==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x4702C6: ThreadMessageHandler(void*) (net.cpp:1464) 1087012;1428088621;asciilifeform;==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x64DB082: start_thread (in /lib64/libpthread-2.19.so) 1087013;1428088623;asciilifeform;==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x6FEF26C: clone (in /lib64/libc-2.19.so) 1087014;1428088625;asciilifeform;and several dozen more like it. 1087015;1428088636;mircea_popescu;that's nice 1087016;1428088644;asciilifeform;this is not weirdobuild either 1087017;1428088657;asciilifeform;this is STANDARD dynamic 1087018;1428088668;asciilifeform;am i the first to run full-bore valgrind on it or wut 1087019;1428088697;mircea_popescu;so apparently we found satoshi 1087020;1428088701;mircea_popescu;his name is mel. 1087021;1428088708;asciilifeform;shatoshi 1087022;1428088727;asciilifeform;and people use this thing, huh. 1087023;1428088771;*;asciilifeform would like a copy of mircea_popescu's trinary sovcoin plz. because this is just Sad. 1087024;1428089045;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.new 1087025;1428089046;assbot;[2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw70ZN ) 1087026;1428089067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00027559 = 3.252 BTC [+] 1087027;1428089110;asciilifeform;woodc0ll3kt0r!!! 1087028;1428089113;asciilifeform;he's back! 1087029;1428089125;punkman;I don't even 1087030;1428089328;nubbins`;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000081.html 1087031;1428089329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw7L59 ) 1087032;1428089342;nubbins`;i also don't even 1087033;1428089372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00027559 = 6.4901 BTC [+] 1087034;1428089378;nubbins`;dem filenames 1087035;1428089382;*;nubbins` files this away for next time 1087036;1428089453;trinque;holy shit the guy's made dragonballs 1087037;1428089496;jurov;nubbins`: the patches need uniquie identifiers for people sending sigs later 1087038;1428089536;trinque;"much like Satoshi" ahahha my sides 1087039;1428089555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00027559 = 2.0945 BTC [+] 1087040;1428089590;nubbins`;jurov yeah i stupidly attached the shasum of my patch file to the filename 1087041;1428089595;nubbins`;didn't realize the ml does it for me 1087042;1428089639;jurov;lol never occurred to me someone would do it 1087043;1428089807;nubbins`;lel @ woodcollector 1087044;1428089827;nubbins`;he should write a book 1087045;1428089875;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check this out : if you boot off the cd, gentoo works ONCE. if you reboot it, it no longer works. if you boot machine with something else, this resets it, and you can now boot gentoo off cd again. ONCE. 1087046;1428089891;asciilifeform;pathological liars don't automatically make good storytellers, much as folks with no bowel control are not by this fertilizatory virtue automatically good farmers. 1087047;1428089893;mircea_popescu;wtf does it corrupt, the bios is not new enough and there's no hdd 1087048;1428089924;nubbins`;mircea_popescu maybe the livecd checks the hdd for rootfs, tried to mount partially-installed one or smth 1087049;1428089925;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all boots here were 'cold' ? 1087050;1428089926;asciilifeform;or 'warm' 1087051;1428089932;mircea_popescu;all were cold. 1087052;1428089945;mircea_popescu;nubbins` logical, but no hdd attached. 1087053;1428089949;asciilifeform;as in, mains power removed ? 1087054;1428089953;nubbins`;a 1087055;1428089954;mircea_popescu;as in fans stopped. 1087056;1428089955;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally. << Seems to have been independently written and later blessed because of its error, contrast to "Poor Mans James Bond" written by fellow who wanted to be their friend, but his work... not blessed 1087057;1428089963;mircea_popescu;you want me to actually drain the mobo light ? 1087058;1428089968;asciilifeform;yes. 1087059;1428089975;mircea_popescu;ok, trying this one for my own curio 1087060;1428089979;nubbins`;asciilifeform i don't think he can produce a good story -- that much is obvious -- but it'd be nice for him to condense his stupidity into a single volume that could be burned 1087061;1428090004;asciilifeform;nubbins`: unfortunately - stupidity doesn't work like ova 1087062;1428090009;nubbins`;:/ 1087063;1428090014;asciilifeform;not a finite count of it in the vessel 1087064;1428090018;nubbins`;you're not born with all the stupidity you'll ever have 1087065;1428090019;nubbins`;hahaha 1087066;1428090025;*;nubbins` applauds 1087067;1428090044;nubbins`;anyway i guess the dude saw my auction and got jealous 1087068;1428090053;nubbins`;figured giving away 5k btc is pretty ballin 1087069;1428090079;nubbins`;nevermind that the entire concept is ludicrous 1087070;1428090120;nubbins`;tempted to move 5k coins and post tx in the thread claiming that i've found the capsule ;/ 1087071;1428090142;mircea_popescu;lol 1087072;1428090148;mircea_popescu;but why add credence to idiocy. 1087073;1428090162;mircea_popescu;" Inside that container is 1,000 bronze bitcoins" 1087074;1428090172;asciilifeform;ick, debased roman bitcoins 1087075;1428090177;mircea_popescu;i mean, buy a plural ffs. 1087076;1428090183;asciilifeform;only gold bitcoin is genuine. 1087077;1428090193;nubbins`;forged in a time when men were men and haters left wood carvers alone 1087078;1428090228;mircea_popescu;"I have made and sold 9 2015 wooden physical bitcoins listed below. Each one of those coins has hidden in or on it a part of the puzzle. The key to decoding the first part of that puzzle is coin #10 which after much though is being given to someone whom i already chose from this forum. In order to decode each individual wooden coin you will have to have #10 in its physical presence and in order to solve the entire firs 1087079;1428090228;mircea_popescu;t clue you will need to posses and have all 10 coins in the same physical location. The clues in the coins were crafted in a fashion that you will never find them let alone figure them out via photographs, with x-rays, or in any fashion other than having all the coins in the same location at the same time to solve the puzzle." 1087080;1428090229;asciilifeform;know what would be riotously funny? if american 'nature preservation' agency rounded the idiot up and took'im to preet 1087081;1428090235;asciilifeform;for the crime of poaching rare wood, naturally 1087082;1428090238;mircea_popescu;check it out, this is pure rationality. long live bayes! 1087083;1428090238;asciilifeform;self-confessed 1087084;1428090315;nubbins`;mircea_popescu whoa i didn't read that far. 1087085;1428090319;mircea_popescu;cold cold boot does it. where the fuck does it store its stupid bits alf ? 1087086;1428090332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dram remanence ? 1087087;1428090343;mircea_popescu;that reliable ?! 1087088;1428090360;mircea_popescu;there must be some eeprom in the bios that i don't know about. 1087089;1428090363;asciilifeform;http://www.cert.org/digital-intelligence/tools/afterlife.cfm? << depends on box 1087090;1428090365;assbot;AfterLife | Digital Intelligence and Investigation | The CERT Division ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwaBXG ) 1087091;1428090373;nubbins`;"i am so rich that 5000 btc is a mere pittance, but a bunch of forum scamzors will have to collectively shell out ~$10k in airfare in order to unravel the mystery" 1087092;1428090390;asciilifeform;(whatsthat? little proggy that warmboots machine with small linux and reads dram 0..top to a usb stick.) 1087093;1428090403;mircea_popescu;nubbins` funny thing is, ego and intelligence are unrelated variables at birth. plenty of people roll 6-1. 1087094;1428090408;nubbins`;nod 1087095;1428090422;nubbins`;tbh i forgot about the guy 1087096;1428090429;nubbins`;he must've been plotting this whole time 1087097;1428090444;mircea_popescu;lol right. 1087098;1428090449;asciilifeform;actually 'remanence' is wrong word here! 1087099;1428090455;asciilifeform;because the dram was never powered down 1087100;1428090459;asciilifeform;it is doing its job 1087101;1428090462;mircea_popescu;as opposed to, whole thing occured to him this morning as he was sitting on shitter and contemplating what a laughingstock he is 1087102;1428090468;asciilifeform;warm boot on pc arch doesn't cycle dram reset 1087103;1428090474;mircea_popescu;and then he wrote it all breathlessly and didn't bother to proofread before submitting. 1087104;1428090479;asciilifeform;pc owner oughta know that. 1087105;1428090512;asciilifeform;(to be fair, pc arch standard is dead and what i said is probably wrong for at least every box in seven on the market.) 1087106;1428090520;mircea_popescu;^ 1087107;1428090535;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu cannot be faulted for not giving a rat's arse 1087108;1428090570;mircea_popescu;well i can be faulted all anyone wants, but guyess what! 1087109;1428090610;asciilifeform;my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because: 1087110;1428090621;asciilifeform;as a kid i always imagined that the shit tank was bottomless. 1087111;1428090630;asciilifeform;or at least, like a skyscraper, but sorta inverted 1087112;1428090632;asciilifeform;into the ground. 1087113;1428090638;asciilifeform;or how else could hold generations of turds. 1087114;1428090648;asciilifeform;i even saw it, in dreams 1087115;1428090652;asciilifeform;this titanic edifice. 1087116;1428090678;asciilifeform;now i realize it was true. except not outhouse, but pc arch and the whole stack of softs. 1087117;1428090765;BingoBoingo;!b 8 1087118;1428090767;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0B07BZW.txt ) 1087119;1428090832;asciilifeform;in other news, i think i've a fixed-ram-space bitcoind running... 1087120;1428090856;asciilifeform;will say, after it syncs, if so, and how 1087121;1428090881;asciilifeform;also writing broadcast (s.nsa) and buncha other things in shiva hands 1087122;1428090913;punkman;is there an easy way to induce an arbitrary-sized chain reorg for testing? 1087123;1428090924;asciilifeform;there is not an easy way to do much of anything. 1087124;1428091138;asciilifeform;what are we looking for, at the bottom of that tank? a golden ring ? 1087125;1428091149;asciilifeform;i can't recall losing one... 1087126;1428091263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41803 @ 0.00027 = 11.2868 BTC [-] 1087127;1428091568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82501 @ 0.00027 = 22.2753 BTC [-] 1087128;1428091812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00027 = 7.911 BTC [-] 1087129;1428092066;mats;http://syprog.blogspot.ru/2015/04/linux-loadable-kernel-module-in-assembly.html 1087130;1428092067;assbot;System Programming: Linux Loadable Kernel Module in Assembly ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwfeRP ) 1087131;1428092092;asciilifeform;mats: works but ver magic. 1087132;1428092151;mats;'ver magic'? 1087133;1428092174;asciilifeform;mod won't load unless matches kernel ver. 1087134;1428092193;mats;o. 1087135;1428092195;asciilifeform;no big deal, not hard to determine. 1087136;1428092300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00027559 = 3.7205 BTC [+] 1087137;1428092946;BingoBoingo;http://www.landoverbaptist.org/eastereggs.html << win 1087138;1428092948;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwhetk ) 1087139;1428093032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00027561 = 9.4672 BTC [+] {2} 1087140;1428093189;mircea_popescu;punkman the best way to test that sort of thing is on a local testnet with low diff. 1087141;1428093197;mircea_popescu;make n chain then make reorg 1087142;1428093337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00027 = 11.583 BTC [-] 1087143;1428093964;nubbins`;asciilifeform i think i've got it 1087144;1428093977;asciilifeform;? 1087145;1428094218;nubbins`;cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto 1087146;1428094306;mircea_popescu;"The computer has no way of knowing by examining the word itself, whether a word is intended as a number or an instruction. Under most circumstances it is the numbers which are operated on and the instructions which are followed as instruction. The LGP-30 has the ability to operate on instructions as numbers. This ability is not only valuable but a feature which makes for the great power of stored program computers. Ho 1087147;1428094306;mircea_popescu;wever, it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions. Since an instruction word is indistinguishable from a number word, some means must be provided to avoid using numbers as instructions. How this is accomplished is described under "BUILDING A PROGRAM". Also, how we convert from a 2000 to the binary representation shown is discussed later." 1087148;1428094308;mircea_popescu;fucking nuts. 1087149;1428094321;mircea_popescu;http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/lgp-30-man.html#R1.00 << ancient manuals are great, but good god the stuff one finds in there 1087150;1428094324;assbot;LGP - 30 PROGRAMMING MANUAL ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwkG6Z ) 1087151;1428095091;asciilifeform;'it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions.' << translation from ru? cn ? 1087152;1428095116;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 158.9876222 BTC. Current weight: 20,843. 1087153;1428095353;mircea_popescu;its english 1087154;1428095533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10913 @ 0.00027403 = 2.9905 BTC [+] 1087155;1428095614;asciilifeform;its english << as written by su mole deep in the british ministry of fucktardation ? 1087156;1428095642;mircea_popescu;someone at royal mcbee i imagine. 1087157;1428095655;mircea_popescu;you wanted using instead of to use ? 1087158;1428095698;asciilifeform;'it is always to be avoided' ?????! 1087159;1428095716;trinque;"using numbers as instructions should always be avoided" 1087160;1428095719;trinque;weird word order 1087161;1428095781;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1087162;1428096021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00027 = 18.468 BTC [-] 1087163;1428096098;nubbins`;asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html 1087164;1428096098;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwpadZ ) 1087165;1428096098;trinque;just something you see in translations, not that a NY company's manual would be 1087166;1428096200;nubbins`;others who are trying to build 0.5.3.1 on gentoo should also see above link ^ 1087167;1428096447;nubbins`;build script doesn't copy any of the openssl includes or libs to the ourlibs/ directory 1087168;1428096451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00027 = 6.642 BTC [-] 1087169;1428096461;nubbins`;but apparently this only fails (so far) on gentoo. 1087170;1428096509;trinque;it's going to get pretty difficult to follow along before long 1087171;1428096585;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i must remind readers that my 'dns snip' patch does not remove all usage of dns from bitcoin 1087172;1428096589;asciilifeform;only for seeding 1087173;1428096596;nubbins`;nod 1087174;1428096609;trinque;are you gents permanently opposed to vcs? 1087175;1428096610;asciilifeform;it still gets used when irc-connecting and when attempting to determine external ip from behind nat 1087176;1428096618;asciilifeform;trinque: excellent question! see thread 1087177;1428096637;mircea_popescu;During the conversation, the UC stated, "We read chemistry books with breakfast. Like, who does that?" VELENTZAS responded, "People who want to make history." 1087178;1428096649;mircea_popescu;orly ? what about you know, every sophomore ever. 1087179;1428096661;*;trinque finds tons of talk about venture capitalists :p 1087180;1428096670;mircea_popescu;trinque what are we but vcs. 1087181;1428096674;mircea_popescu;we're opposed to retards. 1087182;1428096674;asciilifeform;trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922660 1087183;1428096674;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 00:31:06; asciilifeform: but the argument here is not about sabotaged ken-thompson-style tools. but about tools that foster intellectual atrophy. 1087184;1428096677;asciilifeform;^ mandatory thread 1087185;1428096680;trinque;mircea_popescu: talkin bout version control 1087186;1428096714;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922669 1087187;1428096714;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 00:34:02; asciilifeform: but i will not be signing any patch that i can't apply with my mind, in my mental model of the code. 1087188;1428096747;asciilifeform;^ this is absolutely vital to understand. 1087189;1428096753;nubbins`;i haven't verified that you necessarily need to apply the dns snip patch for it to compile on gentoo 1087190;1428096782;nubbins`;that getaddrinfo stuff was just a warning 1087191;1428096797;nubbins`;it only happened to spit out right after the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto" 1087192;1428096802;asciilifeform;nubbins`: it is a warning that tells you the fact that YOUR BIN WILL ONLY RUN ON YOUR BOX 1087193;1428096812;asciilifeform;pretty dire so far as warnings go. 1087194;1428096816;nubbins`;:D 1087195;1428096821;trinque;asciilifeform: heh I replied to you there as undata and the opinion still stands 1087196;1428096836;trinque;but w/e you guys are doing the lifting, yours to decide 1087197;1428096845;asciilifeform;trinque: try to understand why. 1087198;1428096848;trinque;it's just not clear which chains of patches are which 1087199;1428096852;trinque;and will increasingly be so 1087200;1428096860;asciilifeform;trinque: there is precisely one set of 'official' patches 1087201;1428096866;asciilifeform;that is, ones that made it into the release 1087202;1428096881;asciilifeform;there is also another set, of dangerous patches which may or may not turn into tree candidates. 1087203;1428096895;nubbins`;trinque this is sort of like the bible, in that various acid fevers are recorded and some of them end up being canon 1087204;1428096903;trinque;lol 1087205;1428096917;nubbins`;i'm not joking 1087206;1428096930;asciilifeform;anyone so much as touching the dangerous patches needs to actually grasp what is going on. 1087207;1428096938;nubbins`;anyway alf if you get some spare cycles, can you try my patch & verify that i'm not crazy? 1087208;1428096950;mircea_popescu;you're crazy even with the patch. 1087209;1428096967;nubbins`;!s simple minded psychopath 1087210;1428096967;assbot;4 results for 'simple minded psychopath' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=simple+minded+psychopath 1087211;1428096967;trinque;entirely possible to use git or something else for dev, patch process for release 1087212;1428096971;nubbins`;:D 1087213;1428096984;nubbins`;ah w/e 1087214;1428096986;trinque;but I see the sense of this 1087215;1428096988;nubbins`;i think the original was hyphenated 1087216;1428096997;asciilifeform;trinque: do you know the biblical story about the camel's nose ? 1087217;1428097004;mircea_popescu;trinque honestly im just waiting for them to get buried in more pizza packaging first. 1087218;1428097024;asciilifeform;well, pseudo-biblical 1087219;1428097024;trinque;asciilifeform: something something nose tent 1087220;1428097025;ben_vulpes;trinque: i keep my own vcs system and apply patches directly from mu4e 1087221;1428097035;ben_vulpes;branch, apply patch, run tests in vm 1087222;1428097040;ben_vulpes;attempt to compile et 1087223;1428097042;ben_vulpes;etc* 1087224;1428097043;trinque;so now what if you want to collaborate on a branch 1087225;1428097050;trinque;you're just manually doing the same thing 1087226;1428097056;*;trinque shrugs 1087227;1428097057;asciilifeform;it is NOT the same thing! 1087228;1428097058;ben_vulpes;nobody's collaborating on anything man 1087229;1428097068;ben_vulpes;the shitty thing doesn't even compile yet 1087230;1428097071;trinque;and this is desirable? 1087231;1428097076;nubbins`;ben_vulpes yes it does :) 1087232;1428097086;asciilifeform;it doesn't compile -statically- 1087233;1428097092;ben_vulpes;ah, nubbins -- sanity! 1087234;1428097095;ben_vulpes;well, yes. 1087235;1428097103;ben_vulpes;compiles to my requirements. 1087236;1428097110;nubbins`;asciilifeform yes it does! 1087237;1428097112;asciilifeform;trinque: do you recall the conversation about sov. nuke subs ? 1087238;1428097123;asciilifeform;and their reactor controls 1087239;1428097125;ben_vulpes;does *not* compile to my requirements, i mean. 1087240;1428097135;asciilifeform;the same outcome is not proof that you are 'doing the same thing' 1087241;1428097137;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086328 >> he's right. 1087242;1428097137;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 13:37:28; nubbins`: but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it 1087243;1428097142;asciilifeform;sometimes, the -process- matters. 1087244;1428097162;trinque;ok, I am aware of your perspective 1087245;1428097163;asciilifeform;because the -process- provides guarantees of... 1087246;1428097165;asciilifeform;!s provenance 1087247;1428097166;assbot;26 results for 'provenance' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=provenance 1087248;1428097175;trinque;you can easily verify the output of git 1087249;1428097176;mircea_popescu; nobody's collaborating on anything man << this is like the first time ever people are seriously using a noncollaborative approach to coding. 1087250;1428097186;asciilifeform;programmers as a class have severe trouble with this concept, in my experience 1087251;1428097186;nubbins`;haha 1087252;1428097196;asciilifeform;because they live & die by idempotence of identical bits 1087253;1428097202;nubbins`;the adversarial approach to development 1087254;1428097204;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only whores masquerading as programmers. 1087255;1428097210;asciilifeform;(also see the 'what colour are your bits' essay) 1087256;1428097215;mircea_popescu;"it rubbed me nicely, same thing" 1087257;1428097226;trinque;not at all what I'm saying 1087258;1428097242;*;nubbins` snoozes while waiting for bitcoind to find seeds 1087259;1428097269;asciilifeform;trinque: when you use a version control apparatus, it is very easy to produce patches that cannot be applied using your mind 1087260;1428097280;asciilifeform;and this quickly becomes the only kind of patch produced. 1087261;1428097291;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eventually that list jurov keeps will become unusable as a flat thing, you are aware. 1087262;1428097294;nubbins`;"patch" = updating 5,000 files at once 1087263;1428097308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eventually 1087264;1428097323;mircea_popescu;even if your version control is strictly "X -> Y -> Z" which are all control points 1087265;1428097325;trinque;if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked 1087266;1428097328;mircea_popescu;it's still fucking version control. 1087267;1428097331;trinque;running diff and patch by hand isn't going to fix it 1087268;1428097331;asciilifeform;nubbins`: laugh, but what do you imagine would happen if one of us were to, e.g., reindent it. 1087269;1428097350;nubbins`;asciilifeform i used that example because i've seen precisely this sort of bullshit committed to svn 1087270;1428097363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00027209 = 6.2581 BTC [+] {3} 1087271;1428097365;asciilifeform;trinque: it's a deliberate antiautomation, to keep things short 1087272;1428097374;asciilifeform;like the orators who were forced to stand on one leg 1087273;1428097391;nubbins`;<+trinque> if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked <<< by this metric, /we have been fucked from day one/ 1087274;1428097398;nubbins`;have you LOOKED at the code? :S 1087275;1428097412;trinque;you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p 1087276;1428097416;nubbins`;8) 1087277;1428097419;trinque;who is "we" there? 1087278;1428097421;nubbins`;for dramatic effect 1087279;1428097427;trinque;everyone who ever poked his dick into the github? 1087280;1428097438;nubbins`;everyone who ever poked his dick in pre-0.5.4 bitcoin 1087281;1428097446;asciilifeform;the approach does not 'fix' anything, no. but it prevents certain plagues that are otherwise ubiquitous 1087282;1428097449;asciilifeform;and 100% fatal. 1087283;1428097510;trinque;by that logic you should never drive, because the machine's capable of 130mph into a brick wall 1087284;1428097520;trinque;anyhow, proceed as you like 1087285;1428097534;nubbins`;noooooo, the analogy would be a car with a governor that kicks in at 200kph 1087286;1428097542;nubbins`;y'know, like they have in actual cars in real life 1087287;1428097564;trinque;"actual cars" ? 1087288;1428097572;nubbins`;<+trinque> you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p 1087289;1428097575;trinque;ahahha 1087290;1428097607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00027 = 4.698 BTC [-] 1087291;1428097623;nubbins`;for the record, your car is almost certainly not "capable" of doing anything at 130mph 1087292;1428097627;nubbins`;except maybe freefalling 1087293;1428097644;mircea_popescu;this is why you like the two ton mercedes. 1087294;1428097650;mircea_popescu;flies at 200km/h 1087295;1428097663;nubbins`;ehh, i once got a chrysler neon up to 205. 1087296;1428097671;nubbins`;(this only works downhill) 1087297;1428097673;trinque;nubbins`: my old 300zx could certainly do 130 1087298;1428097680;trinque;current vw crapwagon nope 1087299;1428097699;nubbins`;trinque and is your 300zx for granny smith, or for a driver who knows the risks? 1087300;1428097704;mircea_popescu;the only time i trusted a us pos i had a break plate of a ford explode. just like that. 1087301;1428097705;nubbins`;and thus, the analogy complete. 1087302;1428097707;mircea_popescu;we nearly fucking died. 1087303;1428097748;nubbins`;WOO 1087304;1428097749;nubbins`;height=6538 1087305;1428097755;*;nubbins` applauds 1087306;1428097769;mircea_popescu;look a tthat. that's almost like a modern block's worth altogether. 1087307;1428097770;trinque;mircea_popescu: damn, yeah I don't drive american cars 1087308;1428097788;mircea_popescu;i don't drive either, but yeah. 1087309;1428097807;mircea_popescu;in fairness this was prolly assembled in canada out of vietnamese parts or some shit. "american" what's that. 1087310;1428097981;trinque;nubbins`: wait so granny smith is who you want working on bitcoind? 1087311;1428098000;nubbins`;again, you deliberately misunderstand 1087312;1428098005;trinque;all I'm saying is use tools that don't slow down the work, and have merge nazis using shame and dishonor at the center 1087313;1428098007;nubbins`;it's not a question of who i want working on it 1087314;1428098014;nubbins`;or of who i "want" "working" on it 1087315;1428098035;trinque;the problem's solved by the wot not diff and patch 1087316;1428098053;nubbins`;i dunno man 1087317;1428098095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12978 @ 0.00027564 = 3.5773 BTC [+] 1087318;1428098143;punkman;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/how-a-3-85-latte-paid-for-with-a-fake-100-bill-lead-to-counterfeit-kingpins-downfall/ 1087319;1428098144;assbot;How a $3.85 latte paid for with a fake $100 bill led to counterfeit kingpin’s downfall | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gau2bl ) 1087320;1428098144;ben_vulpes;trinque: you and i can collaborate any time that we want, by derping at our respective repos 1087321;1428098188;trinque;I am well convinced that you guys like your process and there's nothing wrong with that. 1087322;1428098217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00027 = 12.204 BTC [-] 1087323;1428098285;ben_vulpes;i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today 1087324;1428098400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17892 @ 0.00027 = 4.8308 BTC [-] 1087325;1428098510;mats;https://soundcloud.com/viceroymusic/viceroy-french-horn-rebellion 1087326;1428098511;assbot;Viceroy \u0026 French Horn Rebellion - Friday Nights by VICEROY - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1yKnzMl ) 1087327;1428100108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00027519 = 4.2517 BTC [+] 1087328;1428100159;jurov;https://shapeshift.io/blog.html wow, evoor is really intrepid 1087329;1428100159;assbot;The ShapeShift Blog | Shape Shift | The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbYMt5 ) 1087330;1428100178;jurov;(scroll down and bask in his blue eyes) 1087331;1428100207;jurov;"Erik Voorhees as Founder of ShapeShift, announces seed round with Barry Silbert, Roger Ver" further down 1087332;1428100291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00027 = 24.327 BTC [-] 1087333;1428100295;jurov;"creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass. 1087334;1428100336;BingoBoingo;He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes? 1087335;1428100342;jurov;yes 1087336;1428100421;nubbins`;heh 1087337;1428100451;nubbins`;breaking: erik voorhees falsely claims to have created things that he didn't 1087338;1428100779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27348 @ 0.00027533 = 7.5297 BTC [+] {2} 1087339;1428100840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16620 @ 0.00027564 = 4.5811 BTC [+] 1087340;1428101519;asciilifeform; i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today << i'm not convinced that there could be any reasonable alternative. 1087341;1428101542;asciilifeform;for so long as the thing needs changing at all - this is how it is changed. 1087342;1428101586;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31bwnf/seriously_this_will_most_likely_hail_downvotes/ 1087343;1428101589;assbot;[Seriously] This will most likely hail downvotes, but let me try anyway... I am prostitute, how can I accept Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic2K4W ) 1087344;1428101755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00027536 = 5.6311 BTC [-] {3} 1087345;1428101896;asciilifeform;26. Secret Service searched Facebook for the name Jack Farrel and discovered a Facebook user site for an individual named Jack Farrel who claimed to live in Uganda. This user's Facebook site also had photographs of Jack Farrel. 1087346;1428101896;asciilifeform;27. A.B. was shown one of the photographs from Jack Farrel's Facebook site. A.B. confirmed that this photograph was the Jack Farrel who provided him with the counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes. 1087347;1428101896;asciilifeform;28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON. 1087348;1428101898;asciilifeform;^ l0l 1087349;1428101918;asciilifeform;( https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-SqZC5_Cmo6NUC1p3/gov.uscourts.pawd.220730.1.1_djvu.txt ) 1087350;1428101919;assbot;Full text of "gov.uscourts.pawd.220730.1.1.pdf (PDFy mirror)" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic3GGp ) 1087351;1428102060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00027569 = 6.7544 BTC [+] {2} 1087352;1428102208;asciilifeform;'At the time, Clock argued that he was simply a sort of benevolent overlord. "I decided to help other people and give them this opportunity, I see myself as a do gooder, I know many might argue with that, but when you get people coming to you saying they used to have NOTHING and were begging on a street corner looking for $30 and now he's a boss, sure makes me feel good," he added. "I actually feel more of a [R]obinhood and en 1087353;1428102208;asciilifeform;joy helping people who have nothing, I create jobs.. I do better then [sic] [O]bama creating jobs my employees are all happy now."' 1087354;1428102247;asciilifeform;but 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.' (TM) 1087355;1428102272;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1087356;1428102287;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIgwoLCZ9Uc << obligatory 1087357;1428102287;assbot;Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Frntyd ) 1087358;1428102375;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVEPnAGZLyE << proper uncut version 1087359;1428102376;assbot;Икар и мудрецы (Союзмультфильм) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FrnKRD ) 1087360;1428102386;asciilifeform;'icarus and the wise men' 1087361;1428102487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00027601 = 6.3758 BTC [+] 1087362;1428102805;asciilifeform;mega-recommended ^ 1087363;1428102821;asciilifeform;(mostly self-explanatory without transl.) 1087364;1428103058;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: do you do email in emacs? i've been using mu4e and am about out of patience - coming back around to "show me the ancient tools that handle this ancient problem". 1087365;1428103083;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i typically compose in emacs but do not use it as a 'client' 1087366;1428103088;asciilifeform;(nor anything else) 1087367;1428103097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19416 @ 0.00027601 = 5.359 BTC [+] 1087368;1428103109;asciilifeform;i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv 1087369;1428103116;ben_vulpes;huh 1087370;1428103120;asciilifeform;for a few things, even 'gmail' 1087371;1428103121;asciilifeform;yes. 1087372;1428103148;ben_vulpes;i'm particularly frustrated at verifying sigs and what has one. 1087373;1428103661;nubbins`;lel 1087374;1428103676;nubbins`;some guy came across a bunch of old bmezine saline-injection pics 1087375;1428103677;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/4jSKe 1087376;1428103677;assbot; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel_head - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic9uzU ) 1087377;1428103726;nubbins`;(for those wondering wtfx1000, the saline completely absorbs into your tissue after a few hours) 1087378;1428103739;mircea_popescu; He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes? << an' settled with the sec, to boot. 1087379;1428103778;BingoBoingo;Seriously impresive stuff, just why inflate the credentials like a Turk? 1087380;1428103867;mircea_popescu;jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass. << that claim's interesting. i guess double jeopardy brings out the best in people ? 1087381;1428103952;mircea_popescu;anyway. i guess coinapult died ? i seem to recall a seed round about that one. 1087382;1428103970;nubbins`;i remember coinapult 1087383;1428103976;mircea_popescu;"ShapeShift was built as a demonstration of this principle: exchanges occur without custodianship of user funds. Indeed, there are no user accounts whatsoever." 1087384;1428103986;mircea_popescu;so you need seed funding for that ? 1087385;1428103986;nubbins`;woo stateless web! 1087386;1428104034;mircea_popescu; http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087343<< lol catching on huh. 1087387;1428104034;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 22:53:09; assbot: [Seriously] This will most likely hail downvotes, but let me try anyway... I am prostitute, how can I accept Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic2K4W ) 1087388;1428104119;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087347 << sounds suspiciously like parallel construction. 1087389;1428104119;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 22:58:16; asciilifeform: 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON. 1087390;1428104204;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087368 << which makes two of us. 1087391;1428104204;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 23:18:29; asciilifeform: i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv 1087392;1428104266;mircea_popescu;!up mbailin 1087393;1428104279;BingoBoingo;https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/coinbase.com << lol 1087394;1428104280;assbot;coinbase.com | WOT Reputation Scorecard | WOT (Web of Trust) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Icbecv ) 1087395;1428104325;nubbins`;u wot m8 1087396;1428104339;nubbins`;haha child safety wtf 1087397;1428104344;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Check the user reviews 1087398;1428104381;mircea_popescu;from the "let's make something stupid and call it our own" department, today the unconnected tap. 1087399;1428104384;nubbins`;ha 1087400;1428104387;mircea_popescu;onlyslightlyrusted. 1087401;1428104435;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo amusingly, i can't negrate it because i don't have enough javascript. 1087402;1428104439;mircea_popescu;"must be this dumb to ride!" 1087403;1428104444;nubbins`;nor can i. guess you gotta log in 1087404;1428104458;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Isn't that what the designated pr0n computer is for? 1087405;1428104469;mircea_popescu;toolazy 1087406;1428104516;nubbins`;compiling buildroot is a snoozefest 1087407;1428104549;nubbins`;~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run 1087408;1428104561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00027057 = 10.9446 BTC [-] {2} 1087409;1428104861;mircea_popescu;http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/#comment-141726 << "someone in the blogosphere" 1087410;1428104864;assbot;Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNtIQD ) 1087411;1428104867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21864 @ 0.00027601 = 6.0347 BTC [+] 1087412;1428104927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00027 = 1.7415 BTC [-] 1087413;1428104957;mircea_popescu;easily the most commented on post of that "someone in the blogosphere"'s. 1087414;1428105232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00027 = 5.184 BTC [-] 1087415;1428105309;nubbins`;!up Guest6009 1087416;1428105313;nubbins`;!up julmac 1087417;1428105316;nubbins`;!up Guest33494 1087418;1428105327;nubbins`;i'd like to start by welcoming our distinguished guests 1087419;1428105335;nubbins`;you may be wondering why i've assembled you all here 1087420;1428105369;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Does it involve a biopsy punch? 1087421;1428105396;nubbins`;i've done things in the past that involved biopsy punches, but this isn't such an event 1087422;1428105411;nubbins`;protip: have some fruit juice on hand, you tend to get dizzy 1087423;1428105427;BingoBoingo;K 1087424;1428105438;nubbins`;if your vision starts to fade, tell someone 1087425;1428105501;*;BingoBoingo was thinking of an alternative to hancuffs. Involves padlock, biopsy punch, and two hands 1087426;1428105506;nubbins`;heh 1087427;1428105616;*;BingoBoingo figures La Sernissima is economy oriented by might not want to go zip tie cheap, though "Master"Lock is cheaper than handcuffs 1087428;1428105627;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-march-2015-statement/ 1087429;1428105627;assbot;BitBet (S.BBET) March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNvaTf ) 1087430;1428105646;nubbins`;you can get some tough zip ties 1087431;1428105672;mircea_popescu;you can get zip ties on a braided steel basis. 1087432;1428105673;nubbins`;but, fwiw, you also raise eyebrows buying biopsy punches as a private citizen 1087433;1428105730;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Nah, just other things with them to lower the eyebrows back down. 1087434;1428105754;nubbins`;wtf else am i gonna buy at a medical supply store 1087435;1428105797;mircea_popescu;enema kits. 1087436;1428105803;nubbins`;a poop stool isn't gonna make the biopsy pu... oh, hm 1087437;1428105804;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Well, if you want to seem normal... specimin slides, gauze, various dyes, and yes enema kits 1087438;1428105809;nubbins`;yeah that'd do it 1087439;1428105811;mircea_popescu;two 100 boxes of biopsy punches and 24 enema kits 1087440;1428105821;nubbins`;ha 1087441;1428105836;nubbins`;"you a doctor?" "nope" "...cash or credit?" 1087442;1428105840;BingoBoingo;Go into the store with a list. You boss sent you. "Busy Afternoon" 1087443;1428105855;BingoBoingo;*Your 1087444;1428105865;nubbins`;in the guy's defense he didn't press further 1087445;1428105951;mircea_popescu;speaking of skin cancer : did you know that mohs for melanoma works or doesn't work entirely depending on whoever does it ? 1087446;1428105960;mircea_popescu;it might be the one still medical disease left. 1087447;1428105967;BingoBoingo;^ True 1087448;1428106017;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: But seriously if they ask about your Boss "Dad, he's at the farm with the Vet" "It's looking like we'll have to put them all down" 1087449;1428106049;nubbins`;wat 1087450;1428106067;nubbins`;duod this was like 15 years ago ;/ 1087451;1428106091;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: The pretext for picking up a few hundred biopsy punches. You never know what the future holds 1087452;1428106106;asciilifeform;nubbins`: ~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run << ?!?!?! what are you using, a vax ?! 3.5 hours? 1087453;1428106123;nubbins`;haha 1087454;1428106130;nubbins`;a not well endowed vm 1087455;1428106178;nubbins`;BingoBoingo whatever it holds, i've no further need for biopsy punches 1087456;1428106200;nubbins`;although i've occasionally wished i had one while holding a particularly plump tangelo 1087457;1428106208;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: What if research determines wetware could benefit from integral faraday cage? 1087458;1428106213;nubbins`;something draws me to it 1087459;1428106232;nubbins`;BingoBoingo then i guess i'd have to fill all these fistulas up again 1087460;1428106277;BingoBoingo;But yes, there's also the non-meat culinary, gardening, and engineering uses for the things 1087461;1428106362;mircea_popescu;btw re anarchist cookbook thing, it seems there's a bit of americana in there. 1087462;1428106370;asciilifeform;aha. 1087463;1428106379;mircea_popescu;it seems : that the original author pulled a deepthroat, that the original publisher owned the rights to it 1087464;1428106386;nubbins`;asciilifeform 4gb ram but only 1 cpu core 1087465;1428106402;mircea_popescu;and that this arrangement came to a halt recently, when some arkansas derps bought it, and are republishing a widely bowdlerized version. 1087466;1428106427;asciilifeform;who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook' 1087467;1428106454;asciilifeform;what's next, -buy- 'the bastard operator from hell' ? 1087468;1428106487;mircea_popescu;americana, i say. 1087469;1428106574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00027601 = 2.0149 BTC [+] 1087470;1428106579;mircea_popescu;(btw, i'd have figured you bought a hardcopy of tbofh) 1087471;1428106601;asciilifeform;l0l 1087472;1428106617;asciilifeform;in my mind they only exist as ascii txt. 1087473;1428106638;asciilifeform;it'd feel truly strange to behold either on dead tree. 1087474;1428106654;BingoBoingo;Urban legend in library world is that "Anarchist's Cookbook" and "Steal this Book" are titles that would outrage censors who find them in library catalogs long after library patron's had liberated them from the shelves. 1087475;1428106671;nubbins`;<+asciilifeform> who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook' <<< 1087476;1428106736;nubbins`;BingoBoingo all the fun books were missing from my uni's library 1087477;1428106760;*;mircea_popescu gets flashbacks of alf dissatisfied with heroin on market, starting work on own poppies. 1087478;1428106764;mircea_popescu;IN AN EMULATOR! 1087479;1428106783;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-march-2015-statement/ 1087480;1428106784;nubbins`;phun phact, many flower shops sell opium poppy pods, dried 1087481;1428106798;mircea_popescu;they grow wild in europe. 1087482;1428106816;mircea_popescu;wheat crop pest actually. 1087483;1428106819;nubbins`;blue seas 1087484;1428106838;nubbins`;i made tea from seeds once but chickened out 1087485;1428106841;mircea_popescu;;;google cimp cu maci 1087486;1428106841;gribble;Câmp cu maci (2011) on Vimeo: ; Fotografii maci pe Comunitate Foto: ; Camp de maci - YouTube: 1087487;1428106863;mircea_popescu;one of the most cliche painting subjects too 1087488;1428106961;mats;nubbins`: SWIM bought seeds, like you, and made a paste that we smoked. it was a lot of effort and very mild. 1087489;1428107002;nubbins`;gross 1087490;1428107030;mats;i think he boiled the stuff and then just let the water evaporate. 1087491;1428107056;trinque;SWIM ... "we smoked" << lol 1087492;1428107064;nubbins`;8) 1087493;1428107067;mats;i'm new to this subterfuge thing. 1087494;1428107073;trinque;man I remember discovering erowid back when 1087495;1428107118;nubbins`;what a rabbit hole 1087496;1428107124;mircea_popescu;afaik the paste (very finely ground seeds with butter) is widely used as a filling 1087497;1428107152;mircea_popescu;at least, it was in a bunch of traditional romanian pastries i never cared for. 1087498;1428107162;BingoBoingo;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/6/67/Bread.jpg/600px-Bread.jpg 1087499;1428107163;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNxVUt ) 1087500;1428107179;nubbins`;same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels 1087501;1428107184;nubbins`;poor elaine ;/ 1087502;1428107211;asciilifeform;who 1087503;1428107244;mats;seinfeld reference. 1087504;1428107245;mircea_popescu;they put it in cozonac instead of proper black wallnut paste, it's appalling. 1087505;1428107280;BingoBoingo; same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels << Yes "legit" opioids come from the waste straw from food cultivation of the seeds 1087506;1428107310;danielpbarron;nubbins`> i made tea from seeds once but chickened out << i've had poppy tea; it was very pleasurable 1087507;1428107334;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo afaik no, they compete. 1087508;1428107345;mircea_popescu;they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce. 1087509;1428107389;BingoBoingo; they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce. << Depends on whose definition of "legit" production. Pharma usually takes straw for processing. 1087510;1428107404;mircea_popescu;aok 1087511;1428107468;BingoBoingo;less total alkaloids, but useful to them is less of a mix of alkaloids survive that far into the plant's life 1087512;1428107594;BingoBoingo;Also keeps less people from being involved in the harvest compared to labor intensive latex harvesting 1087513;1428107654;mircea_popescu;mats someone who is not you could have bought a shitton of seeds, ground them finely, poured straight vinegar on the whole mess, let it sit for a while, then wash it all out and enjoy. 1087514;1428107712;mircea_popescu;what's smoking supposed to do. 1087515;1428107933;mats;making the stuff and smoking it wasn't my idea 1087516;1428107948;mats;but i thought, hey, you know, i'll try this stuff that white folk used to enslave a generation of my ancestors 1087517;1428107967;asciilifeform;!b 2 1087518;1428107970;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MTXWZE.txt ) 1087519;1428108037;nubbins`;heh 1087520;1428108366;mircea_popescu;wait, wut ? 1087521;1428108376;mircea_popescu;ah, mats is from aznland ? 1087522;1428108404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00027608 = 18.6906 BTC [+] {2} 1087523;1428108424;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/#comment-113438 << seems the author of the bitcoin spaceghost hjas come forward 1087524;1428108425;assbot;Who made this ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNAaXS ) 1087525;1428108506;mircea_popescu;http://junseth.com/post/112626834687/stop-talking-about-confirmation-speeds-start 1087526;1428108507;assbot;#savetherobots — Stop Talking About Confirmation Speeds.... Start... ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNAl5r ) 1087527;1428108508;mircea_popescu;notbad either 1087528;1428108548;mats;ya. 1087529;1428109156;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000083.html 1087530;1428109157;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNBxpr ) 1087531;1428109173;asciilifeform;^ for anyone who thought 'eh why do we need static anyway, at the very least on pogo' 1087532;1428109368;asciilifeform;^ this kind of binary -did- run on arch, etc. 1087533;1428109374;asciilifeform;because the turds were present. 1087534;1428109410;asciilifeform;there is a fucking -reason- why the gnomes sabotaged static building. 1087535;1428109922;asciilifeform;[root@alarm ~]# ldd bitcoind 1087536;1428109922;asciilifeform; libdl.so.2 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb6f57000) 1087537;1428109922;asciilifeform; libpthread.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb6f2e000) 1087538;1428109922;asciilifeform; libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb6e52000) 1087539;1428109922;asciilifeform; libm.so.6 => /usr/lib/libm.so.6 (0xb6da3000) 1087540;1428109923;asciilifeform; libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb6d74000) 1087541;1428109923;danielpbarron;!up junseth 1087542;1428109925;asciilifeform; libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0xb6c2e000) 1087543;1428109927;asciilifeform; /lib/ld-linux.so.3 (0xb6f6c000) 1087544;1428109929;asciilifeform;^ on arch. 1087545;1428109957;junseth;You guys are great. Don't read it everyday, but I enjoy stumbling on the Bitcoin-assets stuff from time to time. 1087546;1428110046;danielpbarron;aww <3 1087547;1428110125;junseth;Haha. Glad I stumbled on the trilema post too. Your content is always really spot on +mircea_popescu 1087548;1428110212;danielpbarron;wow not often I encounter someone who has not only heard of b-a or trilema but also actually likes them 1087549;1428110259;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1087550;1428110284;junseth;Haha. Well, I wouldn't say I have heard of Bitcoin assets so much as stumbled on ya'lls stuff from time to time. 1087551;1428110319;danielpbarron;like where? where is it that is allowing b-a content to the surface ? 1087552;1428110334;danielpbarron;got me shadowbanned on reddit 1087553;1428110366;junseth;Haha did it? 1087554;1428110370;junseth;Man, it's always weird shit 1087555;1428110377;danielpbarron;well /r/bitcoin at least 1087556;1428110377;junseth;I can tell you how I got here today 1087557;1428110391;junseth;I wanted to see where the space ghost image had gotten to 1087558;1428110399;junseth;so I went to images.google.com and threw the URL in there. 1087559;1428110418;junseth;And voilla, I end up at both trilema and the bitcoin-assets log 1087560;1428110422;danielpbarron;:D 1087561;1428110449;danielpbarron;most things that are worth googling will lead to those results 1087562;1428110455;junseth;You guys are like Florida. No one comes here on purpose. They end up here. 1087563;1428110462;junseth;:) 1087564;1428110518;danielpbarron;so do you have gpg by any chance? 1087565;1428110579;Bagels7;I'm just here for the random violent porn 1087566;1428110595;mircea_popescu;o hey junseth 1087567;1428110641;junseth;I actually don't, believe it or not. I've been doing bitcoin since like 2008 ;P and I have never bothered to give a hoot about making sure I have a provable identity. 1087568;1428110648;mircea_popescu;o.O 1087569;1428110655;mircea_popescu;that sorta claim won't make friends. 1087570;1428110664;mircea_popescu;anyway, never too late to get straightened out 1087571;1428110686;junseth;Hahaha. Just kidding about the date. 1087572;1428110691;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you will notice the "eh why" point never actually came up ? somewhat to my surprise honestly. 1087573;1428110707;mircea_popescu;junseth so what do you do ? for a living i mean. 1087574;1428110714;junseth;alarmgrid.com 1087575;1428110726;junseth;I am a marketer. I own a DIY home security company. 1087576;1428110737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and i only tested because had another debastardizer that i wanted to test. 1087577;1428110789;mircea_popescu;junseth how's that going ? 1087578;1428110791;asciilifeform;(there is no simple way to test these on pc, because linux has idiotically unsegregated memory stats and hard to say precisely how much is eaten -by bitcoind- vs disk cache) 1087579;1428110805;junseth;Good. It's growing. 1087580;1428110809;cazalla;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087484 <<< usually one or two deaths from this each year in tasmania given to the fact they grow pharma quality poppis aka the good shit and some kids take to the fields to grab a few pods for a brew 1087581;1428110809;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 00:20:38; nubbins`: i made tea from seeds once but chickened out 1087582;1428110811;junseth;3rd year 1087583;1428110820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the lseek error seems perhaps reminiscent of the fat problems ? 1087584;1428110845;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it appears to be a deep-seated retardation in busybox's e2fs utils 1087585;1428110854;cazalla;anyway.. they have a public health site for the tassie poppies http://notyouraveragepoppy.org.au/ 1087586;1428110856;assbot;Not Your Average Poppy... The human body cannot process the chemicals in the Tasmanian poppy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNETsN ) 1087587;1428110876;mircea_popescu;junseth basically everything you sell is honeywell ? 1087588;1428110910;junseth;At the moment. We're putting some 2gig up. GE eventually. 1087589;1428110919;mircea_popescu;aha. 1087590;1428110928;junseth;But yeah, I optimize one thing at a time 1087591;1428110928;mircea_popescu;"Tasmanian poppies are highly toxic if ingested. They are uniquely different to standard poppies and have been developed to produce chemicals suitable for industrial processing only." << check out the proper use of ge huh. 1087592;1428110935;junseth;so we own the Honeywell search terms 1087593;1428110936;mircea_popescu;"make them secrete ricin too!" 1087594;1428110951;junseth;Now onto the next products. 1087595;1428111021;junseth;Haha, but as you can see, at nights, ont he weekends, I do Bitcoin 1087596;1428111051;mircea_popescu;cool. 1087597;1428111170;mircea_popescu;"libc.so.6 => not found" << what the shit ?! 1087598;1428111301;mircea_popescu;junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue. 1087599;1428111321;mircea_popescu;look into volcker, the problem he addressed, how he addressed it etc. 1087600;1428111335;junseth;Haha, I like to play with this argument. If you want we can have it. I'll bite. What do you believe inflation to be? 1087601;1428111340;mircea_popescu;us had inflation over 10% a year (not counting moimentary flareups of 1000% APY for a day or w/e) almost each decade. 1087602;1428111383;mircea_popescu;depends on your definition of inflation. by my definition of inflation, the us experiences about 15% a year, on average, since 2000. that's exacerbating over time, so 2015 may well see 30%+ 1087603;1428111483;junseth;Ok. So let's work with those numbers. At 10% per year for over a decade, what you're claiming is that the basket of goods you would be purchasing would have increased abotu 3x in the last decade. 1087604;1428111492;BingoBoingo; junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue. << But for the lizards who got to see their cocaine prices drop nearly six fold over 3 decades... 1087605;1428111502;junseth;Hahaha 1087606;1428111512;mircea_popescu;junseth roughly. 1087607;1428111521;mircea_popescu;behold : i declare my basket. 1087608;1428111525;junseth;Hahaha 1087609;1428111526;asciilifeform;the most entertaining aspect is the gymnastics carried out so u.s. folks can say 'ahahah, inflation 30% but where then is the $30/gl. petrol' 1087610;1428111545;mircea_popescu;take three houses in the top 10% land value areas of the country, take college funds for twelve children. 1087611;1428111550;asciilifeform;and a few other massive 'rob peter to pay paul' operations around which the entire orchestra revolves 1087612;1428111556;mircea_popescu;divide the sum of this basked in 1965 with the sum of this basket today 1087613;1428111563;mircea_popescu;take into account the incredible decay in quality 1087614;1428111575;junseth;I mean, if what you usually purchase is 3x more expensive now than it was a decade ago, I am baffled. 1087615;1428111579;mircea_popescu;(hey, if the usg is pretending like increases in quality wash inflation away, same argument can be used the other way too) 1087616;1428111589;mircea_popescu;and you'll notice we're looking at 10x not 3x. 1087617;1428111644;mircea_popescu;so : five to ten as bad college today as compared to 1965, which costs 100k instead of 10k. this is about 50x to 100x factor. 1087618;1428111663;junseth;I mean, this purported decay in quality involves the development of computers in your hand, cheaper foods a la GMOs (Norman Borlaug), and other nonesuch. 1087619;1428111663;mircea_popescu;much shittier houses today than in 1965, about a margin of 2 to 3, that cost... 30x more, just about. 1087620;1428111667;mircea_popescu;no. 1087621;1428111700;mircea_popescu;the purported decay in quality involves specifically this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ 1087622;1428111701;assbot;MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNGwGK ) 1087623;1428111701;junseth;RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. The college I went to cost $45k/year. I paid $3k per year because the number they make you pay and the sticker price are completely different. 1087624;1428111709;mircea_popescu;i am not discussing your idea of a fair metric. 1087625;1428111718;mircea_popescu;i told you my metric. that's the metric. 1087626;1428111745;mircea_popescu;if i go to the tailor and i tell him i want pants that are nine feet long, he doesn't get to tell me pant length is not a fair metric. 1087627;1428111763;mircea_popescu;!up junseth 1087628;1428111790;mircea_popescu;fact remains you ARE stuck paying for college. and you are stuck paying for "owning" a "house". 1087629;1428111797;mircea_popescu;compared to this, i couldn't care less what ipads cost. 1087630;1428111805;mircea_popescu;seeing how i don't use them anyway. 1087631;1428111824;junseth;Hahaha. Well, fair enough. Give me a few minutes. I have to leave my office. I'll come back and do more of this. 1087632;1428111829;mircea_popescu;no rush 1087633;1428111832;mircea_popescu;the b-a is eternal. 1087634;1428111897;mats;21:41:40 <+junseth> RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. << you're wrong. 1087635;1428111901;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what boggles most about those gymnastics is the fact that somehow the same people don't link the dots between "unaffordable health care" and "inflation". isn't this strange ? 1087636;1428111901;junseth;I will say this though, I am a very strong believer in the Chicago school of economics which says that deep markets are efficient. So, inflation, for me, tends to be uninetresting, because you can very very easily hedge against it. 1087637;1428111912;mircea_popescu;this is at best naive. 1087638;1428111919;mircea_popescu;markets are only efficient if they exist 1087639;1428111926;mircea_popescu;the us hasn't had a market economy for a century now. 1087640;1428111938;junseth;It might be. I invite you to explain why it's naive. If you can tell me your inputs, I can tell you why I agree or disagree. 1087641;1428111943;mircea_popescu;^ 1087642;1428111971;mircea_popescu;ballet is not "an efficient market", for instance. even if it exists, phenomenologically. 1087643;1428111988;mircea_popescu;not everything that happens to be perceptible is automatically a free market by virtue of that. 1087644;1428111996;mircea_popescu;a play about the free market, for instance, is not itself a free market. 1087645;1428112030;decimation;junseth: if the bond market is 'efficient' (for example), why does it seem to oscillate between 'rally' and 'sell-off' seemingly dependent on how the fed might act? 1087646;1428112228;decimation;pretty good podcast http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html >" But that manipulation will not be apparent to people unless they have seen this technical result. Which means that you sort of--you can have shamans, people who know the rules, be in charge in ways that are tantamount to dictatorship. So, we should be very skeptical about claims that 'this is what the people want.' I think ontologically, that is, in 1087647;1428112230;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaWGJh ) 1087648;1428112230;decimation;terms of existence, the idea of the will of the people is a genie or will o' the wisp, that we shouldn't really believe in. But for technical reasons, that notion of outcomes being the will of the people, we should be very skeptical about." 1087649;1428112241;mircea_popescu;anyways ill bbl. 1087650;1428112631;decimation;asciilifeform: re: official platform > I agree, it would be useful if a single build platform 1087651;1428112744;decimation;I suggest perhaps i486 on freebsd 1087652;1428112779;nubbins`;wat 1087653;1428112826;danielpbarron;!up junseth 1087654;1428112833;junseth;Thanks 1087655;1428112854;danielpbarron;if you register a gpg key with assbot, i'm sure someone here will give you a +1 which would let you voice yourself, and that lasts longer than 30 minutes 1087656;1428112854;junseth;One second, let me catch up 1087657;1428112855;decimation;i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, and it has the advantage of being still 'executable' on modern cpus 1087658;1428112880;junseth;That's a very good idea. I'll do taht probably a little later tonight. 1087659;1428112888;junseth;I really should have done it a long time ago 1087660;1428112993;asciilifeform; i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, <<< ahahahhahahahahaha. 1087661;1428112996;asciilifeform;mmm, no. 1087662;1428113010;asciilifeform;(and don't forget the chipset, bus, etc. idiocies.) 1087663;1428113011;decimation;well, it's simpler than 'pentium' 1087664;1428113021;decimation;well, i386 is dumb because it lacks floating point 1087665;1428113037;decimation;failing that I was thinking mips with some variant of solaris 1087666;1428113071;junseth;RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation. 1087667;1428113147;danielpbarron;i don't think the argument posed was that they don't work, but that the U.S. hasn't had one for the last century 1087668;1428113165;trinque;^ 1087669;1428113296;decimation;junseth: how does the market 'work' when it's being systematically manipulated in ways that the participants cannot readily observe? 1087670;1428113458;asciilifeform;decimation: solaris?!!!!? 1087671;1428113465;asciilifeform;wtf 1087672;1428113467;decimation;heh 1087673;1428113487;decimation;I'm referring to the now defunct 'open solaris' 1087674;1428113508;decimation;it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade' 1087675;1428113547;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-12-2014#946855 1087676;1428113547;assbot;Logged on 06-12-2014 04:36:48; asciilifeform: solaris was a perfectly-legit unix 1087677;1428113565;asciilifeform;i demand fewest bytes - period 1087678;1428113572;asciilifeform;because will eventually have to read the disasm. 1087679;1428113578;asciilifeform;unless one of you volunteer. 1087680;1428113711;decimation;in that case, a simple instruction set is a boon 1087681;1428113736;*;asciilifeform has a confession to make 1087682;1428113745;*;asciilifeform bought a 2-sided laser printer and printed 0.5.3 1087683;1428113751;*;asciilifeform could no more resist this. 1087684;1428113754;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1087685;1428113754;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P92P3F.txt ) 1087686;1428113793;decimation;heh 1087687;1428113808;asciilifeform;for bedroom, for now, eventually it will join the bookcase full of similar 3rings 1087688;1428113813;decimation;asciilifeform: did you colorize it 1087689;1428113817;junseth;decimation: What do you define as "manipulation?" 1087690;1428113819;BingoBoingo; it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade' << Thing is also huge, bloated 1087691;1428113819;asciilifeform;nope 1087692;1428113822;asciilifeform;no color 1087693;1428113827;asciilifeform;traditional b&w printer 1087694;1428113836;decimation;BingoBoingo: ah but it has functional 'dtrace' 1087695;1428113856;BingoBoingo;decimation: Do you want to make sense of ZFS turd? 1087696;1428113863;decimation;junseth: well, in the simple case, the quantity of dollars that are 'allowed' to exist 1087697;1428113873;decimation;zfs isn't needed to boot 1087698;1428113905;*;asciilifeform unlike BingoBoingo, is not enamoured of 1980s commercial unixen 1087699;1428113916;asciilifeform;even if 'opened' posthumously 1087700;1428113972;decimation;asciilifeform: well, what would you suggest? buildroot? 1087701;1428113975;danielpbarron;junseth, see also the arbitrary banning of various goods 1087702;1428113976;BingoBoingo;Solaris in all likelyhood far too heavy and greasy to adapt to embedable minimalism 1087703;1428113979;asciilifeform;buildroot. 1087704;1428114000;decimation;on 486? 1087705;1428114017;asciilifeform;on mips 1087706;1428114065;asciilifeform;unrelated, 1087707;1428114084;trinque;decimation: junseth: and the subsidy of various "goods" 1087708;1428114085;asciilifeform;i have the arm turd from the failed test (see earlier listserv post) running on 'arch' 1087709;1428114089;junseth;Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners. 1087710;1428114094;asciilifeform;105300+ and no oom 1087711;1428114128;trinque;junseth: I'm a "bitcoiner" to see central banking go extinct 1087712;1428114157;asciilifeform;its a standard skull'n'crossbone orphanage burner with max cap set to 25 1087713;1428114162;asciilifeform;and non-rollovering debug.log 1087714;1428114175;nubbins`;nice 1087715;1428114188;asciilifeform;^ what kind of retard made debug.log roll over? 1087716;1428114191;asciilifeform;surely not satoshi ? 1087717;1428114205;asciilifeform;why even have it, if it randomly loses itself 1087718;1428114210;nubbins`;"a finite amount of log should be good enough for anybody" 1087719;1428114220;junseth;trinque: I don't know many Bitcoiners who would disagree. I'm just less vehement about that happening. I think Bitcoin is better money. 1087720;1428114222;danielpbarron;ah yes, good habit to cat .bitcoin/debug.log >> debug.log between each restart 1087721;1428114236;decimation;junseth: " But anyway, if you look at that case, if you look at other cases, I think the pattern is pretty clear that the least restricted systems are the ones that performed best from the point of view of the average user of money. And those were systems that were on gold or silver standards. And there doesn't seem to have been any great dissatisfaction with that. There were proposals by some economists to try to have a system that 1087722;1428114238;decimation;was even more stable in purchasing power. But in retrospect, the variations in the purchasing power of the dollar under the classical gold standard were trivial compared to what it's been under the post-gold-standard period, the fiat dollar standard. " 1087723;1428114240;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/03/lawrence_h_whit.html 1087724;1428114242;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/19QrLDS ) 1087725;1428114322;danielpbarron;junseth, bitcoin is better money because of its decentralized nature 1087726;1428114333;mats;oh thank god there's a transcript 1087727;1428114363;decimation;mats: yeah it's a good episode, I recommend it 1087728;1428114381;junseth;Do you think that Bitocin would be better if it were backed by gold or silver? 1087729;1428114396;danielpbarron;such a thing makes no sense 1087730;1428114401;BingoBoingo;!up KatelynTaylor 1087731;1428114406;mats;what would that even entail? 1087732;1428114415;KatelynTaylor;whats better AMD or Intel? 1087733;1428114423;KatelynTaylor;what can run bitcoin better? 1087734;1428114424;asciilifeform;!down meowmix 1087735;1428114424;decimation;^ the above is lifted out of a section where dr. white was talking about how the scotish banking system was crushed by bank of england fiat banking 1087736;1428114429;asciilifeform;!down KatelynTaylor 1087737;1428114433;asciilifeform;dearphuq. 1087738;1428114433;BingoBoingo;!down KatelynTaylor meowmix 1087739;1428114441;mats;market maker offers exchange for metallics? 1087740;1428114448;junseth;danielbparron, Well, I would say that electronic, non-government controlled money is better money. Bitcoin's decentralization lets us take advantage of those better features. Previous attempts at using what we all agreed would have been better were shutdown because they were centralized. 1087741;1428114450;asciilifeform;'Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.' -- orwell. but i'd ask for 'an economist starved to death' 1087742;1428114481;danielpbarron;junseth, bitcoin is inherently valuable; it needs nothing else to back it 1087743;1428114504;trinque;!s gold 1087744;1428114505;assbot;1853 results for 'gold' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gold 1087745;1428114531;danielpbarron;i like gold; i'd hapily accept gold coins in some sort of local economy 1087746;1428114536;junseth;I agree backing bitcoin with metal doesn't make sense. But there are so many scams that are showing up these days that are taking advantage of the sentiment that a gold/silver backed crypto would be better. 1087747;1428114562;junseth;RE: Bitcoin's inherent value, I agree. 1087748;1428114562;danielpbarron;but i'd keep my savings in bitcoin, using it to replentish my gold coins on a monthly basis or something 1087749;1428114573;nubbins`;sort of like how a car with a built-in stove would be better 1087750;1428114578;asciilifeform;junseth: there are also many scams which promise to run your car on water. for some reason their existence doesn't bother folks who aren't drooling idiots. 1087751;1428114603;punkman;car-stove sounds good 1087752;1428114606;asciilifeform;how many nerve cells does it take to understand that a random net derp cannot back X with Y, for any value of x or y 1087753;1428114607;decimation;junseth: the kinds of folks who would 'fall' for those scams are generally not the kind who are going to matter in bitcoin over the long term 1087754;1428114617;junseth;hahaha, absolutely true. 1087755;1428114619;asciilifeform;nor would he, if could 1087756;1428114647;decimation;bitcoin is a fiat currency, but is also radically decentralized 1087757;1428114682;decimation;but its foundation of trust lies fully in its protocol and specification 1087758;1428114688;decimation;which is why the work of the foundation is so important 1087759;1428114692;asciilifeform;!up junseth 1087760;1428114738;junseth;:) Haha. I agree with all of that. 1087761;1428114760;junseth;I would be willing to bet a lot of money that we agree on almost everything Bitcoin ,an dprobably disagree a lot about how markets work. 1087762;1428114801;asciilifeform;junseth: do you believe that it is appropriate to use the word 'market' to describe a system where the crown is the single largest economic actor ? 1087763;1428114916;junseth;Hmm... well, I would say that ther eis probably no such thing as a unregulated market. But any place that exists wher epeople transact is a market. 1087764;1428114960;asciilifeform;junseth: how about a puppet show where kermit the frog 'buys' a bag of 'fuzzies' from miss piggy ? 1087765;1428114965;asciilifeform;is that also a 'market' ? 1087766;1428114967;asciilifeform;if not, why not ? 1087767;1428114979;trinque;nothing in *life* is unregulated but this is distinct from saying *all* regulations come from *one* place 1087768;1428115038;junseth;haha, a market of two people is a market. 1087769;1428115044;junseth;a market of two things is a market 1087770;1428115063;junseth;Haha, I would probably apply the supreme court porn test to whether somethign is a market or not 1087771;1428115073;asciilifeform;how about n people and one demented omnipotent monster who can eat them at will. 1087772;1428115075;trinque;so the word means nothing 1087773;1428115234;trinque;junseth: are two male chimps in a cage a viable ecosystem? 1087774;1428115238;junseth;Haha, well a market is a place where individuals come and transact. That's what it means. What does it look like? I mean, it can look like a lot of things. But a marketplace doesn't have to look like any one thing. 1087775;1428115257;junseth;Hahaha. Are they intelligent enough to make trades and transact? 1087776;1428115264;asciilifeform;words have -meanings.' 1087777;1428115266;trinque;didn't say transact 1087778;1428115309;trinque;junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets 1087779;1428115312;decimation;asciilifeform: ok let's say you employ buildroot. which kernel? which gcc/glib? 1087780;1428115333;asciilifeform;decimation: 'easy' - the ones that -work-. 1087781;1428115339;decimation;heh 1087782;1428115355;asciilifeform;the kernel, for what it's worth, is not a sticking point. 1087783;1428115422;decimation;I would suggest a redhat-patched gcc actually 1087784;1428115428;asciilifeform;ick 1087785;1428115429;asciilifeform;why 1087786;1428115440;decimation;well, they follow exactly the method you advocate 1087787;1428115449;asciilifeform;what method would that be 1087788;1428115457;decimation;if you look at the contents of a src.rpm it's a collection of patches with the original tarball 1087789;1428115466;asciilifeform;redhat is more or less the last thing i want to use for anything linux-related. 1087790;1428115471;asciilifeform;it is indelibly stained. 1087791;1428115500;decimation;I get it, but a patch is a patch 1087792;1428115527;asciilifeform;for what do i need these stooges' patches ? 1087793;1428115530;decimation;certainly I'm not saying that they should be taken on redhat's name alone 1087794;1428115536;asciilifeform;what the hell is wrong with naked, classical gcc. 1087795;1428115542;asciilifeform;straight from rms's arse 1087796;1428115545;decimation;well, many of them are probably not useful in the context of buildroot 1087797;1428115546;trinque;lol 1087798;1428115565;decimation;but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about 1087799;1428115581;asciilifeform;i don't want any redhat patches. if were any good, would have made it back into mainline. 1087800;1428115602;asciilifeform;i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ... 1087801;1428115603;decimation;i admit that many of them are probably useful bugfixes that are backported 1087802;1428115639;asciilifeform;i do not want them in a lake, i do not want them on the stake, ... 1087803;1428115699;decimation;redhat is used in many places 1087804;1428115714;decimation;perhaps not 'avionics grade', but there is quite a bit of 'fix this shit' 1087805;1428115719;*;asciilifeform has used, did not like. 1087806;1428115756;asciilifeform;because, aside from the authorship, 1087807;1428115767;asciilifeform;it is neither minimal, nor clean, nor self-reconstructing. 1087808;1428115838;decimation;asciilifeform: well, self-reconstructing is one thing, but certainly the very 'base' install isn't much bigger than a buildroot 1087809;1428115870;junseth;"junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets" I'm not sure what you mean. Can you 1087810;1428115875;junseth;expound. 1087811;1428116009;decimation;I suppose my overall point is that if the build target is 'frozen', someone is gonna have to maintain the infrastructure 1087812;1428116035;decimation;so one can take advantage of that which exists already commercially, or 'do it self' 1087813;1428116135;nubbins`;enouhg monkey-football for one weekend 1087814;1428116138;nubbins`;nite 1087815;1428116273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00027538 = 13.4936 BTC [+] {3} 1087816;1428116517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00027 = 6.615 BTC [-] 1087817;1428118045;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu broadcast sent 1087818;1428118045;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1087819;1428118049;asciilifeform;turdogram! 1087820;1428118261;decimation;eh? 1087821;1428118309;asciilifeform;s.nsa broadcast 1087822;1428118337;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu kindly decruftifies them for me before they are posted. 1087823;1428118390;decimation;ah 1087824;1428118448;decimation;re: discussion about paper keys < I wonder if a set of symbols in combination with a very simple 'ocr' algorithm might work 1087825;1428118464;asciilifeform;'simple' ocr ?!!! 1087826;1428118530;decimation;well, think q-r code 1087827;1428118538;decimation;which isn't terribly simple, I admit 1087828;1428118623;asciilifeform;decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081008 << see recent thread 1087829;1428118623;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 20:23:48; ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu. 1087830;1428118644;*;asciilifeform does not like qr code 1087831;1428118736;decimation;ah I agree 1087832;1428118774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50721 @ 0.00027763 = 14.0817 BTC [+] {3} 1087833;1428118775;decimation;but I would also like to pack enough bits on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper to convey a 4096 bit rsa privkey 1087834;1428118940;Chillum;braille? 1087835;1428118966;decimation;well, there is some precedent for embedded devices reading optical codes - the checkout counter 1087836;1428118994;*;decimation remembers 'light wand' attached to a serial terminal he once used as a clerk 1087837;1428119515;danielpbarron;https://medium.com/@beautyon_/grundsaudaag-jour-de-la-marmotte-ground-hog-day-8570677dd90b 1087838;1428119517;assbot;Grundsaudaag. Jour de la Marmotte. Ground Hog Day — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNDw01 ) 1087839;1428119549;danielpbarron;I have no doubt that these same people, had you enthusiastically said to them, "Your 64MB flash drive will hold a 64GB in a few years and cost less!" would have scoffed at the idea. The same thing is happening with Bitcoin. Men who know nothing about software are scoffing at the idea that Bitcoin can change and improve. Its an a-historical perspective, to use parliamentary language. On IRC, they simply say, "DERP!". 1087840;1428119578;danielpbarron;^ from the guy who came into b-a to register in the gribble WoT post-fork 1087841;1428119588;Chillum;I would have believed it 1087842;1428119593;Chillum;I am still waiting for my hovercar 1087843;1428119855;danielpbarron;It is only now that Edward Snowden has confirmed that GPG is beyone the reach of the NSA, that their ignorant anti GPG nonsense is forever dispelled as garbage. 1087844;1428119946;danielpbarron;They are very short and terse in the text (just as the Bitcoin White Paper is) and you are invited to run the software yourself. The install process is simple, and then the software either does what it developers claim it does, or it does not. Its all simple and straightforward. 1087845;1428119979;danielpbarron;what world is this guy observing? 1087846;1428120055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00027132 = 1.9806 BTC [-] 1087847;1428120128;BingoBoingo;One with better drugs than ours? 1087848;1428120334;danielpbarron;To do this, you issue everyone with write access to the database, a GPG Keypair that they use to sign entries and changes. Each signer will have a GPG Keypair, and a separate machine will automatically sign all entries with its own keypair, for time stamping and authenticating entries. << this guy writes like he reads the log but misses the point 1087849;1428121039;mircea_popescu;this log makes me go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxoGGh5ZZG8 1087850;1428121039;assbot;Animaniacs - The Monkey Song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNIoSP ) 1087851;1428121142;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087666 << dude, it's not a discussion that "markets don't work". it's a discussion that before markets can work, you gotta have them. similarly, if you don't have running water, you have a hygiene problem. this isn't because "bathrooms don't work", it's because you.do.not.have.one. 1087852;1428121142;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 02:04:31; junseth: RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation. 1087853;1428121181;mircea_popescu;yes the market would be a great solution, were it applied. sadly, "the political costs". ie, exactly the same tired old record that drove the soviet union into the wall. 1087854;1428121207;mircea_popescu;people have to accept their feelings don't matter. they always end up doing this, it's just some have to get raped with a spiked club first. 1087855;1428121275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00027776 = 5.5274 BTC [+] 1087856;1428121374;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087709 << central banking is, contrary to the disinfo floating around, in no way part of the problem. it managed to work as a mostly-solution for a long time, but meanwhile the dung overflew it and it's clogged. 1087857;1428121374;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 02:21:29; junseth: Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners. 1087858;1428121399;mircea_popescu;the problem is "consumers have come to expect" and "representative democracy", not the central bank. 1087859;1428121532;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087715 << early on debug.log readily filled a disk. 1087860;1428121532;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 02:23:08; asciilifeform: ^ what kind of retard made debug.log roll over? 1087861;1428121659;mircea_popescu;i wonder why people don't think representative reproduction is a workable idea, incidentally. we all get together, pick me to fuck all your wives and girlfriends, and that's that. everyone else gets http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsx3hxyNS51r3yt08o3_1280.jpg 1087862;1428121660;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNKkLd ) 1087863;1428121679;mircea_popescu;makes about as much sense in all possible approaches. 1087864;1428121730;mircea_popescu;( and developing countries could just use http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxt4gfytEx1r4smfqo1_1280.jpg ) 1087865;1428121731;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNKvpV ) 1087866;1428121813;cazalla;so in pillars of eternity, you come across this priest dude and he somewhat looks like danielpbarron 1087867;1428121872;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/5y2xgQm.png if anyone cares 1087868;1428121876;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19Wk13q ) 1087869;1428121961;mircea_popescu;btw cazalla and all folks who actually play games : once eulora 0.1 comes out, ima hold an event where there's gonna be magic money bags, yielding coin each day. i want y'all to show up an' get one. 1087870;1428122093;cazalla;who has the time for mmos?! 1087871;1428122111;mircea_popescu;legacy unique items, dun be a fool. 1087872;1428122154;cazalla;i heard it was a game for casuals 1087873;1428122179;mircea_popescu;lol 1087874;1428122198;mircea_popescu;this trolling. it is 7/10 1087875;1428122309;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087767 << bull. maybe in your (limited) life experience. 1087876;1428122309;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 02:36:19; trinque: nothing in *life* is unregulated but this is distinct from saying *all* regulations come from *one* place 1087877;1428122317;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, most everything in life is unregulated. 1087878;1428122324;mircea_popescu;this may be scary, but it is right and proper. 1087879;1428122394;trinque;I wasn't talking about just human life 1087880;1428122403;trinque;everything that lives has limitations imposed by other things 1087881;1428122411;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087798 << he has a point in that it's not a waste to read them, esp given the methodology. 1087882;1428122411;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 02:46:05; decimation: but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about 1087883;1428122428;mircea_popescu;trinque the difference between that and regulation is the statutory nature of the later. 1087884;1428122450;mircea_popescu;gravity is a limit but it regulates nothing. the murder taboo is a limit and regulatory. 1087885;1428122489;trinque;yeah, I was off the mark in trying to describe the abnormality of that, actually 1087886;1428122497;trinque;nobody centrally plans the fucking habits of this or that species 1087887;1428122525;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087800 << "you can not study nonsense at the university. but the history of nonsense - now that's scholarship." 1087888;1428122525;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 02:46:42; asciilifeform: i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ... 1087889;1428122581;mircea_popescu;trinque comes down exactly to the ancient causes and purposes distinction. if people find a way to fly, nobody "deems gravity broken" or hoilds talks on how to patch it "because this wasn't the intended result" 1087890;1428122603;mircea_popescu;it has no intended result, not being regulation. it simply flows from causes. this is why it's sustainable where the regulatory crud never was. 1087891;1428122669;trinque;right, causes aren't arbitrary 1087892;1428122695;mircea_popescu;well, something like that. moreover, they aren't imaginary. they're actual. purposes are always and necessarily mere delusions. 1087893;1428122715;mircea_popescu;which is why natural laws do not rely on some sort of "intelligence", to be epitethically generous. 1087894;1428122795;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087833 << from what i've seen 4096 privkeys moistly fit on one sheet without further skullduggery 1087895;1428122795;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 03:39:35; decimation: but I would also like to pack enough bits on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper to convey a 4096 bit rsa privkey 1087896;1428122845;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087842 < AND the submerged fucking cities. 1087897;1428122845;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 03:53:13; Chillum: I am still waiting for my hovercar 1087898;1428122884;mircea_popescu;!up junseth 1087899;1428122891;mircea_popescu;eh get in the wot wouldja. 1087900;1428123105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00027776 = 5.3052 BTC [+] 1087901;1428123593;asciilifeform;height=131128 1087902;1428123617;asciilifeform;total mem ~= 99M (mostly constant) 1087903;1428123643;asciilifeform;(pogo, heathen linux, pseudostatic, modified skull'n'crossbones) 1087904;1428123742;asciilifeform;eulora 0.1 comes out << one of these days i'ma have to get a box with a 3d board 1087905;1428123768;asciilifeform;(believe or not - i don't have one...) 1087906;1428124013;asciilifeform;.... 1087907;1428124015;asciilifeform;finally croaked. 1087908;1428124447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00027163 = 1.3582 BTC [-] 1087909;1428125421;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski 1087910;1428125429;pete_dushenski;ahoy! 1087911;1428125467;pete_dushenski;just wrapped up another successful seder. 1087912;1428125472;pete_dushenski;5775 in the books 1087913;1428125499;pete_dushenski;bigger one this year, 30 people, all wrapped around my little finger ;) 1087914;1428125568;nubbins`;$ ldd bitcoind 1087915;1428125569;nubbins`;not a dynamic executable 1087916;1428125589;pete_dushenski;also went to 'good friday' services and painted ukrainian easter eggs 1087917;1428125603;pete_dushenski;if that's not an ecumenical day i don't know what is. 1087918;1428125618;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1087919;1428125620;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.32, Best ask: 254.38, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 254.38, 24 hour volume: 28353.96156678, 24 hour low: 250.31, 24 hour high: 256.49, 24 hour vwap: None 1087920;1428125660;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski no idea what this means. wut ? 1087921;1428125686;cazalla;the jew moon or something! (we'll have a good view of it here tonight) 1087922;1428125704;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the passover seder ? 1087923;1428125710;mircea_popescu;oic 1087924;1428125714;pete_dushenski;exodus and whatnot 1087925;1428125723;pete_dushenski;plagues, moses, pharoah, the works. 1087926;1428125724;mircea_popescu;so 5775/30/fingering ? 1087927;1428125742;pete_dushenski;5775 is the current year in the hebrew calendar 1087928;1428125757;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-march-2015-statement/ 1087929;1428125826;mircea_popescu;o it is isn't it. 1087930;1428125872;pete_dushenski;yup, what 8 trilemers, 2015 gregorians, 5775 jooz ? 1087931;1428125899;mircea_popescu;d tr. is actually dupa Trompi, not Trilema. and only 7. 1087932;1428125902;BingoBoingo;6 Bitcoins 1087933;1428125912;pete_dushenski;^indeed. 1087934;1428126150;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll1sufMqJZ1qaz8fmo1_1280.jpg << i don't recall if we did this or not ? 1087935;1428126151;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GbgdcK ) 1087936;1428126239;pete_dushenski;'did this' as in.... hazing new kids ? 1087937;1428126250;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Is that from mengele's house down the block? 1087938;1428126263;mircea_popescu;as in commented upon lol 1087939;1428126297;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo just trying to give alf better ideas, the gasenwagen and recto-thermo-crypto stuff is getting old >D 1087940;1428126339;pete_dushenski;hah 1087941;1428126344;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ever since he described that outhouse, I think I'm understanding his fascination with turds nao. 1087942;1428126636;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086379 << seconded by another #b-a canadian, me. 1087943;1428126636;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 14:20:39; Chillum: poutine is gross. Sorry, but it is 1087944;1428126681;pete_dushenski;gravy is some nasty shit. i can't stand it with anything. 1087945;1428126709;pete_dushenski;same goes for mayo and whip cream. 1087946;1428126741;pete_dushenski;i'm not even envious of people who like them and have no desire to 'expand my palette' to include them 1087947;1428126745;pete_dushenski;quite content as is 1087948;1428126760;mircea_popescu;you ever had them made well ? 1087949;1428126780;mircea_popescu;often when people claim they hate well established foods, it turns out they never actually had a good example. 1087950;1428126826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33087 @ 0.00027343 = 9.047 BTC [+] 1087951;1428126860;pete_dushenski;no doubt that normal canuckistani variants are commericialised sewage 1087952;1428126882;pete_dushenski;i've had homemade whip cream and that would come the closest to being appealing 1087953;1428126884;BingoBoingo;There's nothing better than a white, sausage breakfast gravy on a bed of hash browns 1087954;1428126889;pete_dushenski;mayo and gravy, no chance 1087955;1428126944;pete_dushenski;so i've had them homemade, but 'well' ? not to my standard 1087956;1428126961;pete_dushenski;but whether that standard can be achieved remains an open question 1087957;1428126986;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But what of the sausage in the grave. Experience that homemade as well? 1087958;1428126998;cazalla;scoopbot fetch 1087959;1428127007;pete_dushenski;cazalla: dash! 1087960;1428127016;cazalla;pete_dushenski, bet it still won't work, ready.. 1087961;1428127017;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: maybe ? 1087962;1428127019;cazalla;scoopbot -fetch 1087963;1428127025;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/03/man-who-establishes-bounty-to-replace-vessennes-bitcoin-foundation-on-board/ 1087964;1428127025;assbot;Man Who Established Bounty to Replace Vessennes' Bitcoin Foundation on Board | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuXuWP ) 1087965;1428127030;cazalla;oops wrong one lol 1087966;1428127033;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/04/olivier-janssens-bitcoin-floundation-out-of-money-hates-transparency/ 1087967;1428127034;assbot;Olivier Janssens: Bitcoin Floundation Out Of Money, Hates Transparency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuXyFK ) 1087968;1428127122;pete_dushenski;hahahaha fucken derpheads 1087969;1428127193;pete_dushenski;"Patrick Murck is trying to re-create a new Foundation just for core dev" << lolk 1087970;1428127239;pete_dushenski;because mebbe 'just core dev' will bring in a gazillion coins. just like ethereum. i'm sure. 1087971;1428127261;pete_dushenski;the redditards are out of coins. 1087972;1428127293;pete_dushenski;anyone with 10 btc to their name is either here or keeping their mouths shut and their coins locked in a vault come hell or high water 1087973;1428127343;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Or they are more blessed members of the DEA 1087974;1428127370;pete_dushenski;"The lesson for all of us in Bitcoin is to never put any trust in a centralized org again that wanted to represent Bitcoin or the Core Development of Bitcoin." << or the lesson is, don't fuck with la serenissima ? 1087975;1428127374;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You know, the ones on the Silk Road investigation who cut their bosses in on their tricks 1087976;1428127417;pete_dushenski;that's a theory 1087977;1428127473;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Then again they probably fall into the keeping their mouths shut camp 1087978;1428127558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00027163 = 3.7349 BTC [-] 1087979;1428127573;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086456 << with six women that all the men somehow agree are 'well dressed'. not ideal. 1087980;1428127573;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be. 1087981;1428127831;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086548 << how... convienient! 1087982;1428127831;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 15:29:36; mircea_popescu: alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!" 1087983;1428128282;mircea_popescu;aww, check it out, scam foundation joins the long list of shit that failed to outlive mpex. 1087984;1428128344;mircea_popescu;"That new director decided that the only way to still get funds at that point, was to focus solely on funding core development, in the hope that people would see that as a good cause. But people were smart enough not to trust the Foundation anymore. " 1087985;1428128354;mircea_popescu;famously omitting to mention what actually happened. "people" right ? mmmkay. 1087986;1428128436;mircea_popescu;manages to go though that entire bullshit without once mentioning vessenes and his criminal behaviour ? 1087987;1428128469;mircea_popescu;nice try olivier, but it doth not wash. masquerading as a part of the solution while failing to credit the actual mechanisms and trying to use the banal shit to avoid discussing the important shit does not work. 1087988;1428128471;BingoBoingo; manages to go though that entire bullshit without once mentioning vessenes and his criminal behaviour ? << Too be fair he got in with Vessenes seemingly long gone 1087989;1428128477;mircea_popescu;yaya. 1087990;1428128500;mircea_popescu;the plan here being that "o hey, we'll get one of our shills to try and direct the public discussion" 1087991;1428128510;BingoBoingo;But Derp still wants to hurp about continuing to feed Gavin 1087992;1428128511;mircea_popescu;it does not wash. the difference between this muppet and the previous muppets is nil. 1087993;1428128521;mircea_popescu;he wants to do what the usg typically does. 1087994;1428128527;mircea_popescu;it does not wash. 1087995;1428128564;BingoBoingo;Their stuff not only fails to wash, it also doesn't dry clean. The sort of cheap polyester the solvents melt. 1087996;1428128577;mircea_popescu;myea. 1087997;1428128626;mircea_popescu;anyway, this playbook is as old as fucking herbert hoover. "fuck up. then replace the guys that 'fucked up' with another guy, who is going to admit to what everyone knows while fail to mention what nobody wants to hear. he can pose as somehow 'different' for the public of imbeciles, and we can continue teaching the controversy" 1087998;1428128668;BingoBoingo;Dude comes in as thing dies, promises to start new thing with the exact same form of the "dead" thing 1087999;1428128679;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at reality ranch a) the foundation floundered because it managed to get mp to speak out against it. b) the only way to resolve this problem is with jail time for the speciffic names involved. 1088000;1428128697;mircea_popescu;this at present includes vesseness, murck and that dumb broad. 1088001;1428128704;mircea_popescu;and it will broaden as time passes. 1088002;1428128763;cazalla;which broad? the asians or the jew 1088003;1428128766;mircea_popescu;it's kind-of incredible (if you look at things rationally - otherwise if you look at things historically it's exactly expected) that two years later they are STILL TRYING to pretend like they don't have to come to terms. 1088004;1428128794;mircea_popescu;as if attempt #795876 is going to fare better than 1 through 795875. 1088005;1428128799;mircea_popescu;cazalla the jew. 1088006;1428129430;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086833 << love this. 1088007;1428129430;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 18:02:51; mircea_popescu: cazalla http://dpaste.com/21W5GH3 1088008;1428129466;pete_dushenski;let the fortune squirming commence! 1088009;1428129937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9052 @ 0.00027133 = 2.4561 BTC [-] {2} 1088010;1428130608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00027414 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {2} 1088011;1428130825;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2015-statement/ 1088012;1428130826;assbot;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDKLQa ) 1088013;1428131271;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/olivier-janssens-bitcoin-floundation-out-of-money-hates-transparency/ 1088014;1428131340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00027549 = 7.1352 BTC [+] {2} 1088015;1428131645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00027635 = 5.9277 BTC [+] 1088016;1428132072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00027025 = 11.837 BTC [-] {2} 1088017;1428132255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38289 @ 0.00027766 = 10.6313 BTC [+] {2} 1088018;1428133658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16377 @ 0.00027776 = 4.5489 BTC [+] 1088019;1428133963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93096 @ 0.00027783 = 25.8649 BTC [+] {2} 1088020;1428136933;BingoBoingo;;;google "lasagna cell" battery 1088021;1428136933;gribble;Beware the "Lasagna Cell": How Some Metals Can Ruin Your Meal ...: ; Galvanic corrosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Lasagna cell - Encyclopedia - The Free Dictionary: 1088022;1428136933;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1088023;1428137916;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2015-statement/ 1088024;1428138050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00027809 = 3.5456 BTC [+] 1088025;1428138219;mircea_popescu;who the fuck "marinates" in aluminum foil ffs. 1088026;1428138660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00027 = 5.373 BTC [-] 1088027;1428138733;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Chemically Illiterate Middle America 1088028;1428138752;mircea_popescu;why not wrap it in toilet paper ? 1088029;1428138833;mircea_popescu;duct tape ? 1088030;1428138854;mircea_popescu;or whatever, cardboard boxes, packaging peanuts, they're all consumer proucts after all ? 1088031;1428138865;mircea_popescu;marinate in random item from packaging isle (tm) 1088032;1428138882;BingoBoingo;They just do what TV and other "idea people" tell them 1088033;1428139136;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1128/btc-to-top-700-before-1st-july/#c4747 << gotta love logicians. 1088034;1428139136;assbot;BitBet - BTC to top $700 before 1st July :: 13.66 B (10%) on Yes, 128.64 B (90%) on No | closing in 2 months 6 days | weight: 71`963 (100`000 to 1`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FadOJJ ) 1088035;1428140124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00027 = 4.8465 BTC [-] 1088036;1428140668;cazalla;!up fortune501 1088037;1428140675;cazalla;lol what ya doing vexual? 1088038;1428140682;fortune501;same old 1088039;1428140700;fortune501;et ou? 1088040;1428140734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22766 @ 0.00027 = 6.1468 BTC [-] 1088041;1428140734;cazalla;playing pillars of eternity 1088042;1428140744;fortune501;never heard of it? 1088043;1428140801;cazalla;came out last week, unfortunately its now the victim of game gate type shit 1088044;1428140821;cazalla;gamer gate even.. apparently some transphobic shit had to be pulled http://kotaku.com/pillars-of-eternity-fan-text-changed-after-player-compl-1695608446 1088045;1428140822;assbot;Pillars Of Eternity Makers Change Fan-Made Text After Player Complaints ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3bFm6 ) 1088046;1428140961;fortune501;sounds half decent 1088047;1428140990;cazalla;ya ever play baldurs gate back in the day? 1088048;1428141025;fortune501;yeah that prolly the last time i loaded a game 1088049;1428141039;cazalla;similar type of game 1088050;1428141124;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/P7y58BY.jpg 1088051;1428141125;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19XASD3 ) 1088052;1428141160;fortune501;you saw that game eh? 1088053;1428141177;fortune501;whaddaya dual monitor now? 1088054;1428141246;fortune501;big qntra bux, any income yet? 1088055;1428141317;fortune501;alt tab cunt 1088056;1428141551;punkman; http://kotaku.com/pillars-of-eternity-fan-text-changed-after-player-compl-1695608446 << "transmisogyny" such wordsmiths 1088057;1428141551;assbot;Pillars Of Eternity Makers Change Fan-Made Text After Player Complaints ... ( http://bit.ly/19XCGfh ) 1088058;1428141598;fortune501;sounds faggoty 1088059;1428141612;fortune501;and if i work out steam, ill have a cup of tea and a lie down 1088060;1428141893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00027 = 4.4415 BTC [-] 1088061;1428141903;fortune501;its quite obviously a suicide joke, but i get all the die hard suicide fans of the internet are already gone 1088062;1428142086;fortune501;if fucking a tranny is gonna give you nightmares, don't do it 1088063;1428142142;fortune501;if someone writes a peom about it on a mmporg, let it ride 1088064;1428142261;fortune501;kids should really learn usenet if they wanna internet 1088065;1428142311;fortune501;anyway, im in 1088066;1428142457;fortune501;what is it steam.com? 1088067;1428142552;punkman;nope 1088068;1428142571;punkman;!up fortune501 1088069;1428144211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00027985 = 3.9879 BTC [+] 1088070;1428145675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36337 @ 0.00027826 = 10.1111 BTC [-] {3} 1088071;1428145781;Adlai;!up fortune501 1088072;1428145801;fortune501;danke broski 1088073;1428145805;Adlai;all the die hard suicide fans of the internet are already gone << dunno bout that 1088074;1428145817;fortune501;theres always more 1088075;1428145828;Adlai;"fans" in the sense of those who watch from the sidelines, by definition, rarely participate in the festivities themselves 1088076;1428145849;Adlai;we do lose the mvps though 1088077;1428145909;fortune501;yes, but its a choice, so, let it be 1088078;1428146168;cazalla;fortune501, see the lunar eclipse where you are atm? 1088079;1428146177;fortune501;wait 1088080;1428146213;fortune501;nah, roofies 1088081;1428146340;fortune501;is it good? 1088082;1428146464;fortune501;dont fuck near the rabbits 1088083;1428146471;cazalla;can't get to binos without risking waking up the kid 1088084;1428146474;fortune501;youll ruin the meat 1088085;1428146480;fortune501;lol 1088086;1428146481;cazalla;should've fkn got them out before he went to bed 1088087;1428146508;fortune501;whereve ya rally bin? 1088088;1428146517;fortune501;in jail 1088089;1428146558;cazalla;view from my place anyway http://i.imgur.com/ROv6q2w.png 1088090;1428146559;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5Z5T7 ) 1088091;1428146623;cazalla;what ya mean.. where have i been? in jail? lol nope 1088092;1428146634;cazalla;though some might call it that 1088093;1428146635;fortune501;its that old joke 1088094;1428146651;fortune501;wheres your wheelie bin? 1088095;1428146666;cazalla;never heard that one 1088096;1428146702;fortune501;i dunno how to tell it, fucking google it 1088097;1428146767;fortune501;giveus a cazalla venison 1088098;1428146790;cazalla;got a bit of left over goat's leg that i slow cooked from the other night if ya keen 1088099;1428146799;fortune501;ill eat b it 1088100;1428146844;fortune501;your goat? 1088101;1428146872;cazalla;no no, from the butcher, bit dry tbh 1088102;1428147023;fortune501;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqnjYpwo1h8 1088103;1428147024;assbot;ABC Black Comedy: Indigenous GPS - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5ZyVk ) 1088104;1428147317;cazalla;surprised they ran that given the ABC 1088105;1428147321;fortune501;love me some biriyani 1088106;1428147379;cazalla;all these abo cunts claiming they're abo when they're like 1/8 abo at best, doubt there are any full bloods left 1088107;1428147383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39510 @ 0.00028087 = 11.0972 BTC [+] {2} 1088108;1428147419;fortune501;1/8 is pretty good odds 1088109;1428147593;fortune501;prison island to well paid cock sucker in less than 200 years 1088110;1428147710;cazalla;!up fortune501 1088111;1428147868;cazalla;heh this one ain't bad, has the chick from neighbours too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H33cPuwsY48 1088112;1428147869;assbot;ABC Black Comedy: Black White Woman, Part 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y60poU ) 1088113;1428148051;fortune501;kylie? 1088114;1428148146;fortune501;ah that one 1088115;1428148322;cazalla;kylie might've been it when you watched it as a teenager, but brooke satchwell was it when i was that age :P 1088116;1428148324;fortune501;cazalla:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Uh_16m6cI 1088117;1428148432;cazalla;any good? 1088118;1428148456;PeterL;good morning ya'all 1088119;1428148457;cazalla;looks like abo ver of underbelly 1088120;1428148468;fortune501;yeah 1088121;1428148484;fortune501;morning peter 1088122;1428148563;cazalla;this a movie or a series? 1088123;1428148599;fortune501;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZAhzVvgY-c mini series 1088124;1428148600;assbot;Kylie Minogue - The Loco-motion - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y61mO9 ) 1088125;1428148603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00028196 = 11.6168 BTC [+] 1088126;1428148610;fortune501;abc failed series 2 1088127;1428148646;PeterL;so, my lastest run-in with USG agents: the mailman doesn't like where my mailbox is. It is currently on the rail of my porch, he says I must instal a box on a post in my yard 1088128;1428148712;fortune501;that cunt should check his priv 1088129;1428148863;fortune501;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZrfG9P6_D0 what have i become 1088130;1428148864;assbot;Paul Kelly - To Her Door - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y61BbZ ) 1088131;1428148868;dignork;PeterL: probably has to do with public/private property area 1088132;1428148886;fortune501;fuck it, stepthru or step aside 1088133;1428148893;PeterL;he claims it is for safety 1088134;1428148894;dignork;or just lazy mailman 1088135;1428148907;fortune501;asshole 1088136;1428148935;PeterL;said there was too much ice where it was, but there won't be any more ice for another 6 months at least now that everything melted 1088137;1428148979;fortune501;fail is no excuse 1088138;1428149048;PeterL;the box used to be on the house itself, and I moved it to the porch rail so he wouldn't have to go up the steps, but apparently that isn't good enough, now I gotta go buy a post and dig a hole to stick it in 1088139;1428149112;fortune501;who said it aint good enuff? 1088140;1428149118;mats;always a good idea to humor the postman 1088141;1428149143;PeterL;the mailman, and he is going to stop delivering my mail if I don't meet his demands in the next two weeks 1088142;1428149224;fortune501;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYxn3LxlPZQ danke assbot 1088143;1428149225;assbot;Kasey Chambers and Bernard Fanning - Bittersweet (Official Music Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6279Q ) 1088144;1428149274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94465 @ 0.00028208 = 26.6467 BTC [+] {2} 1088145;1428149334;cazalla;PeterL, you need an aussie postman, this is how we deliver your shit mate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhN5Hz9e0w 1088146;1428149334;assbot;Postie's bike stunt fail - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y62gtS ) 1088147;1428149336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18685 @ 0.00028352 = 5.2976 BTC [+] {2} 1088148;1428149458;fortune501;lol 1088149;1428149495;Adlai;PeterL: so you're saying the next two weeks are critical™? 1088150;1428149519;PeterL;yes, yes they are, he wants that box delivered 1088151;1428149541;Adlai;can you order the new postbox by post? 1088152;1428149562;Adlai;can the post deliver the post on which the post will be posted, post-post-posting? 1088153;1428149572;PeterL;lol, probably 1088154;1428149579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19259 @ 0.0002862 = 5.5119 BTC [+] {3} 1088155;1428149594;PeterL;!up fortune501 1088156;1428149615;fortune501;danke friend 1088157;1428149745;fortune501;nueman 1088158;1428149864;fortune501;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTxythHY09k 1088159;1428149865;assbot;Norah Jones - Chasing Pirates - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y62PEg ) 1088160;1428149994;fortune501;you might find tansphobis isnt a thing 1088161;1428150050;mats;what about transmisogyny? 1088162;1428150074;fortune501;well, who fuxing cares really? 1088163;1428150202;fortune501;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pwfnh5pc 1088164;1428150203;assbot;Johnny Cash - Hurt HD 720p - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NP6j1h ) 1088165;1428151528;PeterL;anybody here follow basketball? My MSU Spartans made it to the final four again, should be a fun game tonight against Duke 1088166;1428151810;mats;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation o_o 1088167;1428151812;assbot;The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPbRsx ) 1088168;1428151812;PeterL;http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/03/30/13-msu-students-charged-for-throwing-bagels-into-crowd-during-street-celebrations/ 1088169;1428151814;assbot;13 MSU Students Charged For Throwing Bagels Into Crowd During Street Celebrations « CBS Detroit ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPbTAW ) 1088170;1428151830;PeterL;I wonder what they will burn if they win tonight? 1088171;1428151856;mats;Oliver Janssen: "Core dev can no longer be funded by it, and Patrick Murck is trying to re-create a new Foundation just for core dev, because the current name is tarnished. Do not fall for this." 1088172;1428151965;*;mats queues up mp's "i killed the bitcoin phoundation" 1088173;1428154398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00028769 = 6.5306 BTC [+] 1088174;1428154887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38366 @ 0.00028842 = 11.0655 BTC [+] {2} 1088175;1428155533;nubbins`;morn 1088176;1428156099;nubbins`;re: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/ ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha mis lados. 1088177;1428156100;assbot;The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1xN4xtH ) 1088178;1428156122;nubbins`;asciilifeform did you get a static build of bitcoind on gentoo yet? 1088179;1428156240;punkman;"Jim Harper and myself immediately put forward a vote to have the board meeting recorded. We followed Robert’s rules of orders, and everyone else basically shut us down and failed to follow procedures." 1088180;1428156304;punkman;"If they would have been transparent then everyone would know there is no money left." well we already knew that 1088181;1428156370;punkman;"A special trust fund is being created and I will donate several 100k to pre-pay Gavin’s, Wladimirs and some other core devs wage for the next year" << who's this Olivier dude that's gonna pay for Gavin out of his pocket 1088182;1428156569;punkman;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/#entry13752 lolgavin 1088183;1428156570;assbot;The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iy66vZ ) 1088184;1428156579;punkman;"I had an idealistic vision of the Foundation being a member-driven organization, but that never happened. Now would be a good time for you, the membership, to make me proud and come together and figure out a vision for the Foundation moving forward." 1088185;1428156685;punkman;http://www.olivierjanssens.com/ hey at least there's gpg right there on the frontpage. 1088186;1428156687;assbot;Olivier Janssens - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iy6lHi ) 1088187;1428156900;danielpbarron;height=311556 vs height=220376 1088188;1428157229;nubbins`;asciilifeform fwiw if you apply instructions from my latest ML post, you'll get a 100% static bitcoind 1088189;1428157702;nubbins`;danielpbarron getting closer! 1088190;1428158360;nubbins`;heh i like this jannsens guy's style 1088191;1428158475;punkman;yeah but if you still want to fund gavin, I'm thinking you're a spook 1088192;1428158516;nubbins`;he doesn't know of anyone else to fund! 1088193;1428158520;nubbins`;i just sent him an email 1088194;1428159312;nubbins`;"TIL the Rolex watch company is run by not-for-profit charitable trusts. So after a certain amount of money goes to Rolex employees & the founding Rolex family, what remains is donated to charities. Some of these charities focus on watchmaking & some on HS education. Rolex founder was an orphan." 1088195;1428159713;Chillum;"Rolex, for people with money but have not taken any effort at all to look into luxury watches!" 1088196;1428159871;nubbins`;Rolex is the Bose of watches 1088197;1428160071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29475 @ 0.00028924 = 8.5253 BTC [+] {2} 1088198;1428160222;Chillum;so true 1088199;1428160230;Chillum;I rock an Omega Speedmaster 1088200;1428160251;Chillum;The only mechanical watch to be on the moon 1088201;1428160254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26550 @ 0.00028765 = 7.6371 BTC [-] {2} 1088202;1428160535;nubbins`;i rock a nothing 1088203;1428160540;nubbins`;i hate being encumbered 1088204;1428160553;*;nubbins` stopped carrying a wallet some years ago 1088205;1428160621;*;Chillum keeps on rockin in a "free" world 1088206;1428160789;nubbins`;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBoQWvfUkAALe8P.jpg 1088207;1428160790;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWlt3x ) 1088208;1428160791;nubbins`;ha 1088209;1428161145;mats;no idea what im looking at 1088210;1428161178;Chillum;I don't get it either 1088211;1428161184;nubbins`;magazine publishes "fashion dos and don'ts" 1088212;1428161190;nubbins`;all the dos are white and all the don'ts are black 1088213;1428161210;nubbins`;this is just a handful 1088214;1428161238;Chillum;"Do be white..." "Don't be black" 1088215;1428161251;nubbins`;pretty much 1088216;1428161262;Chillum;sadly it is good advice 1088217;1428161268;Chillum;depending on where you live 1088218;1428161270;nubbins`;that's not advice 1088219;1428161320;nubbins`;any more than "set the seas aflame" is advice :D 1088220;1428161340;Chillum;both are advice, just not practical advice 1088221;1428161345;Chillum;lots of advice is not actionable 1088222;1428161366;nubbins`;i think it has to at least be /possible/ in order to qualify as advice 1088223;1428161370;nubbins`;just mho 1088224;1428161414;nubbins`;has anyone else attempted to compile 0.5.3.1 with buildroot's cross-toolchain? 1088225;1428162270;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i have not tried your patch yet. will get around to it soon. 1088226;1428162291;asciilifeform; he doesn't know of anyone else to fund! <<< ahahahahahaha l0l no. 1088227;1428162301;asciilifeform;that is not the reason. 1088228;1428162337;nubbins`;8) 1088229;1428162367;nubbins`;tried your ldd trick, it claims "not a dynamic executable" 1088230;1428162377;asciilifeform;nubbins`: on what machine ? 1088231;1428162386;nubbins`;gentoo amd64 1088232;1428162389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00029022 = 10.9703 BTC [+] {3} 1088233;1428162392;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i was quite unable to use anything but arch-arm's ldd for this. 1088234;1428162398;nubbins`;o? 1088235;1428162400;asciilifeform;aha. 1088236;1428162449;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=z9pDGqMY 1088237;1428162450;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWrAVn ) 1088238;1428162538;nubbins`;i'm still having some issues getting a sensible bitcoind built for the pogo w/ the buildroot toolchain 1088239;1428162542;asciilifeform; asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2015-statement << neato 1088240;1428162542;assbot;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWrVro ) 1088241;1428162563;asciilifeform;nubbins`: what kind of issues ? 1088242;1428162570;asciilifeform;(i recall it came up before, but my hands were full) 1088243;1428162575;nubbins`;compiler complains about -m32 flag 1088244;1428162590;asciilifeform;hmm 1088245;1428162598;nubbins`;now i'd been using the release auto.sh with the cross-compile modifications from your pogotron auto.sh 1088246;1428162616;nubbins`;what i'm gonna try next is your unmodified auto.sh 1088247;1428162632;nubbins`;i'm sure it's just some mishmash of flags, building 32bit on 64 1088248;1428162637;nubbins`;weird little gotcha sort of thing 1088249;1428162647;asciilifeform;unrelated, but yesterday's experiment turns out to be a failure - constants of 25 and 10 both lead to oom somewhere north of 132K blocks 1088250;1428162659;nubbins`;bummer 1088251;1428162702;asciilifeform;beginning to suspect that valgrind isn't seeing the whole picture 1088252;1428162941;asciilifeform;* Vexual is now known as marinateincaeram ... << mega-backchannel-lulz 1088253;1428162954;nubbins`;for reference, there's a handful of buildroot toolchain options i've had to enable to get the bitcoind build past certain points: c++ support, ipv6 support, large file support, possibly also wchar and rpc support 1088254;1428162999;asciilifeform; the mailman, and he is going to stop delivering my mail if I don't meet his demands in the next two weeks << i was once excommunicated from the u.s. post for a few weeks. had tiny mailbox that would fill with spam over mere days when i left town. when full enough, long enough - excommunication 1088255;1428163021;asciilifeform;nubbins`: ipv6 ?!?!?!! 1088256;1428163023;asciilifeform;kill! 1088257;1428163027;nubbins`;it complained! 1088258;1428163032;asciilifeform;it -does not belong- in bitcoin 1088259;1428163039;asciilifeform;wchar ?! 1088260;1428163041;asciilifeform;kill! 1088261;1428163043;asciilifeform;wtf 1088262;1428163051;nubbins`;now in fairness i think specifically boost wanted most of these 1088263;1428163054;asciilifeform;what is this nonsense. 1088264;1428163070;asciilifeform;have you examined its config flags ? 1088265;1428163074;nubbins`;boost is that big thing the weird brain guy from TMNT used to live in 1088266;1428163077;asciilifeform;betcha you can de-wchar it 1088267;1428163085;nubbins`;boost's? nope, it's on the list 1088268;1428163132;nubbins`;http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110225161210/villains/images/e/ec/Krang's_robot.jpg 1088269;1428163132;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWuf1B ) 1088270;1428163141;nubbins`;i'd like to de-everything it 1088271;1428163161;nubbins`;the squishy pink stuff in the middle is what we're actually using 1088272;1428163166;asciilifeform;nubbins`: unfortunately satoshi's thing happens to be written -in- boost 1088273;1428163176;asciilifeform;(it is arguably more of the language in the turd than cpp per se) 1088274;1428163194;nubbins`;it's a framework beast, in other words 1088275;1428163222;asciilifeform;it isn't removable 1088276;1428163232;asciilifeform;if considering removal, might as well carry on with the ada rewrite. 1088277;1428163238;nubbins`;yeah 1088278;1428165765;nubbins`;avocado oil is amazing 1088279;1428165765;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1088280;1428167000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform & wimc : so rms sez he never heard of libnss before, and can't even recall what it does. 1088281;1428167026;mircea_popescu;foss seriously has a problem by now. and it is of the nature of alf's "fits in head" thing. 1088282;1428167054;asciilifeform;ahahahaha. 1088283;1428167064;mircea_popescu;it's not even fucking funny. 1088284;1428167071;*;asciilifeform not surprised for a nanosecond. 1088285;1428167088;mircea_popescu;and i don't believe the man is anything but 100% honest. 1088286;1428167099;asciilifeform;i very much believe him. 1088287;1428167117;mircea_popescu;this is why the nsa even exists still. 1088288;1428167119;asciilifeform;honest - yes. but in a kind of self-imposed exile from worldly things. 1088289;1428167140;asciilifeform;he had the option of 'becoming apolitical' (yes, sounds odd to use this phrase to describe rms, but it applies) - and he took it. 1088290;1428167148;mircea_popescu;this is their charter. "our continued existence is a fortunate byproduct of the situation where nobody even knows what's in the boxes." 1088291;1428167158;mircea_popescu;what do you eman by "apolitical" ? 1088292;1428167165;mircea_popescu;am i apolitical ? 1088293;1428167178;mircea_popescu;is linus ? 1088294;1428167178;asciilifeform;rm is apolitical in precisely the sense mircea_popescu is not 1088295;1428167187;asciilifeform;linus is close to getting there 1088296;1428167190;mircea_popescu;is apolitical = "i don't give a shit about whatever your ideology may be" ? 1088297;1428167213;asciilifeform;it means that if a pile of shit stinks too loudly he has the option of turning his nose and pretending it isn't there - and takes it 1088298;1428167233;mircea_popescu;i don't see this actually describes either situation. 1088299;1428167237;asciilifeform;linus either does not notice poettering (unlikely) or (more plausibly) does not give a damn 1088300;1428167242;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1088301;1428167253;mircea_popescu;happens to be the correct stance. why would he give a damn ? 1088302;1428167259;asciilifeform;to smite the vermin ? 1088303;1428167269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26835 @ 0.00029122 = 7.8149 BTC [+] 1088304;1428167270;mircea_popescu;this is an aesthetic consideration. 1088305;1428167274;asciilifeform;do we kill mice, roaches, by pretending they aren't there ? 1088306;1428167277;mircea_popescu;it can never be the proper purview of ethics. 1088307;1428167286;mircea_popescu;(ie you can't tell anyone what to do out of their own aesthetic sense) 1088308;1428167314;asciilifeform;well sure. so his aesthetics have a place for mice in his home. 1088309;1428167324;mircea_popescu;in your home. 1088310;1428167328;asciilifeform;aha precisely 1088311;1428167332;asciilifeform;this is the difference. 1088312;1428167351;asciilifeform;these mice tunnel through time and space. 1088313;1428167357;mircea_popescu;the alternative (where he does things to your home) is eerily socialist. 1088314;1428167380;asciilifeform;i see the mice, if we run with them, as inhabiting - his bakery 1088315;1428167392;mircea_popescu;this argument i can see 1088316;1428167397;mircea_popescu;but you must grant it's faint. 1088317;1428167400;asciilifeform;i buy a loaf and therein are turds. 1088318;1428167448;asciilifeform;at any rate rms distanced himself from the userland 'big picture' long ago, when 'hurd' was still a going concern 1088319;1428167462;mircea_popescu;libnss is not userland. 1088320;1428167472;mircea_popescu;it's c "core" in the sense that lo and behold, ruins linkability. 1088321;1428167487;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the traditional 'magisteria' are kernel-land and user-land 1088322;1428167497;asciilifeform;not my terminology, but that of ancestors. 1088323;1428167505;mircea_popescu;you can not statically link anything now. 1088324;1428167507;mircea_popescu;this is kernel-land. 1088325;1428167513;asciilifeform;but yes, compiler is infrastructure. and the bridges - are falling, falling down. 1088326;1428167531;asciilifeform;(what would it take to get rms in here so i don't have to play archaeologo-psychiatrist on him ?) 1088327;1428167540;mircea_popescu;im linking him. 1088328;1428167553;chetty;well at least I know now why I have been unable to build a static Eulora 1088329;1428167561;asciilifeform;! 1088330;1428167577;mircea_popescu;^ 1088331;1428167582;mircea_popescu;you know for how long we had this problem ? 1088332;1428167590;mircea_popescu;it never fucking occurerd to me, or to anyone else. 1088333;1428167602;chetty;since this first day I took on Eulora ---- 1088334;1428167606;mircea_popescu;because it's just, for reasons that drive me very angry, something you think about. 1088335;1428167619;asciilifeform;chetty: i will be -very- surprised if a static build of a proggy involving a 3d board is possible on linux or other extant os 1088336;1428167633;mircea_popescu;right. 1088337;1428167638;asciilifeform;most of them require a gnarly dynamic shim (opengl or otherwise) 1088338;1428167646;mircea_popescu;"hey, if your program uses video, or the internet, you can't make it!" 1088339;1428167654;mircea_popescu;"why tyvm!" 1088340;1428167675;chetty;well it has the gnarly shim of opengl and still wont 1088341;1428167693;mircea_popescu;no but that it can't link statically because it's what it is, like dns. 1088342;1428167749;chetty;well after nextrelease I will go take the crowbar to it again --- 1088343;1428167786;mircea_popescu;first we make the thing gpg. 1088344;1428167871;asciilifeform;chetty: so it was not only opengl that was the barrier to static link ? 1088345;1428167883;asciilifeform;in eulora 1088346;1428167908;chetty;nope there is more, dont know what all, had to step away and work on other parts of it 1088347;1428168000;chetty;I got as far as having it claim it built a static, but then it really wasn't and wouldn't run without the libs 1088348;1428168023;asciilifeform;chetty: precisely where i ended up with 'portatronic bitcoind' - static-but-for-libc 1088349;1428168029;asciilifeform;!s pseudostatic 1088350;1428168030;assbot;1 results for 'pseudostatic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pseudostatic 1088351;1428168078;chetty;well seems I am in good company with this one anyway :) 1088352;1428168336;mircea_popescu;!up whaack 1088353;1428168339;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i cc'd you. 1088354;1428168377;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, chetty, et al: in yet another - arguably inverted! - manifestation of The Problem, it appears that valgrind's dynamic substitution for memory allocator -does not cover all of bitcoind!- 1088355;1428168395;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't. 1088356;1428168404;mircea_popescu;so no, you're not the only to have run it in anger. 1088357;1428168408;asciilifeform;i can say with some confidence that there are leaks which -do not pertain to the bastardnodes mechanism- ! 1088358;1428168411;mircea_popescu;you're the first to publicly declare this ancient secret. 1088359;1428168463;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got the letter, yes. 1088360;1428168502;whaack;ty, I've reached a point in my life where I can't stand working for VC money anymore. But I have an issue where I don't know of a better way to get bitcoins faster than milk a SF dev valley job and buy them with fiat. I've come for guidance on the issue 1088361;1428168516;mircea_popescu;a number of people here are doing the same. 1088362;1428168529;asciilifeform;whaack: let me know if you learn the answer to this one. it eludes me. 1088363;1428168539;mircea_popescu;many people in the history of the world did a job that stank. eventually either the stench kills you or you make enough to no longer need it. 1088364;1428168545;punkman;valgrind's dynamic substitution for memory allocator -does not cover all of bitcoind << I'm guessing it's that custom allocator for some privkey data types 1088365;1428168579;asciilifeform;punkman: not related to the privkey mechanisms (they are not active in my test rig.) 1088366;1428168606;asciilifeform;whaack: at least get out of the deepest circle of hell. nowhere is it written that a programmer must live in sf valley. 1088367;1428168646;mircea_popescu;maybe he likes the heat. 1088368;1428168662;asciilifeform;'taste the meat but not the heat' 1088369;1428168676;whaack;asciilifeform: I'm actually in NYC, my job is just under the category of a "valley" job 1088370;1428168720;whaack;and I'm actually planning on spending the summer in SF to check it out, I'm still in school taking a year off of MIT 1088371;1428168734;asciilifeform;whaack: nyc is in the broad class of chumpatrons where the workers let virtually their entire post-tax pay go to the real-estate hucksters 1088372;1428168739;punkman;asciilifeform: there's also a SecureString thing in there 1088373;1428168765;mircea_popescu;yeah, the whole thing reeks of ms 1088374;1428168774;asciilifeform;punkman: again in the wallet mechanism only. 1088375;1428168784;asciilifeform;punkman: that code is not executing in my tests. 1088376;1428168802;asciilifeform;punkman: my preliminary experiments point to the db. 1088377;1428168855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00028765 = 4.286 BTC [-] 1088378;1428168857;mircea_popescu;because, asciilifeform, the unpleasant fact of the matter is, satoshi was one of those. 1088379;1428168867;asciilifeform;one of what ? 1088380;1428168889;asciilifeform;ms victims ? 1088381;1428168895;asciilifeform;indisputably. 1088382;1428168924;mircea_popescu;i cant find the link in recent log 1088383;1428168927;mircea_popescu;oh 1st april 1088384;1428168944;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083740 1088385;1428168944;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 03:27:21; asciilifeform: when you scratch the surface, you always find some imbecile who develops on winblows, and then asks 'whatchalookingat' 1088386;1428168953;asciilifeform;yeah - them. 1088387;1428168967;mircea_popescu;yeah. him. 1088388;1428169008;asciilifeform;i actually knew as much when first learned that bitcoin was heavy on the cppisms. 1088389;1428169023;asciilifeform;folks who grow up outside of the winshitsphere tend to not do that. 1088390;1428169039;asciilifeform;if they use cpp at all, it is as a cautious 'c with classes' 1088391;1428169113;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's outrageous, but hey. can you evaluate the time needeed to patch libnss into behaving correctly ? 1088392;1428169133;mircea_popescu;ie, "no dynamic module loading, recompile or get lost" ? 1088393;1428169186;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from my preliminary investigations, was not able to come up with a reasonable picture of what it'd take. similar to my vast underestimation of what it'd take to hammer bitcoind into sanity. 1088394;1428169204;mircea_popescu;myeah. heard it twice this month. 1088395;1428169208;mircea_popescu;buggers. 1088396;1428169221;asciilifeform;the one saving grace is that i'm fairly certain we can shed libnss entirely from this project 1088397;1428169229;asciilifeform;if we nix -all- invocations of dns 1088398;1428169237;mircea_popescu;well for that side. yes. 1088399;1428169240;asciilifeform;for that side. 1088400;1428169241;gabriel_laddel;whaack: there are a few obvious ways to make btc atm 1088401;1428169243;gabriel_laddel;- btc hosting (check logs) 1088402;1428169243;gabriel_laddel;- http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ 1088403;1428169243;assbot;So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEKD30 ) 1088404;1428169243;gabriel_laddel;- http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (imho this needs wait until #b-a disto) 1088405;1428169244;assbot;Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEKFIa ) 1088406;1428169244;gabriel_laddel;- gossipd (check logs) 1088407;1428169258;mircea_popescu;https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=764680 << for added lulz. 1088408;1428169277;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i can't speak for the fella, but i suspect that he is looking for a btc substitute for his day job. which is not likely to exist. 1088409;1428169289;mircea_popescu;not in the same terms, at least. 1088410;1428169314;asciilifeform;not in the customary 'keep showing up, you keep eating, hell or high water' terms 1088411;1428169337;gabriel_laddel;Move to argentina, purchase pallets of rice + lots of steak. Code. 1088412;1428169345;whaack;gabriel_laddel: such as? 1088413;1428169362;mircea_popescu;you'd have to be insane to do that. you can buy pre-made "milanesas", cook them yourself, runs you a dollar a day or some shit. 1088414;1428169364;gabriel_laddel;whaack: see the above logs 1088415;1428169370;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: first launch satellite and persuade someone to peer net access to it, for you 1088416;1428169378;mircea_popescu;(milanesa = breaded thin steaks, i dunno what you'd call it, snitzel ?) 1088417;1428169415;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: pardon? 1088418;1428169424;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: man does not live by steak alone. 1088419;1428169426;mircea_popescu;schnitzel. 1088420;1428169432;gabriel_laddel;^ 1088421;1428169447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you can't find cunt in argentina the problem is deeper than the sea. 1088422;1428169465;asciilifeform;maybe i'm missing something 1088423;1428169466;mircea_popescu;and yes man lives by steak and clams alone. 1088424;1428169471;gabriel_laddel;My point is that food and rent are cheap if you go to the correct place. Also, if you're betting on btc taking over the world, bet on it. 1088425;1428169492;gabriel_laddel;not that one /must/ do this, just an option 1088426;1428169506;mircea_popescu;eh, let the man have his fil of teh us, he's young. 1088427;1428169527;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: almost invariably i find that something important is -not- cheap in such places where the food is cheap... but more power to you if you discover exception 1088428;1428169564;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform become a *theoretical* physicist alf. pens & paper are cheap everywhere :D 1088429;1428169574;asciilifeform;(example: what is the cost of inhabiting a free-standing building with mains current, temperature control, and good fiber net? free-standing at least to the extent that you can't hear screaming children, smell neighbours' shit, etc) 1088430;1428169579;mircea_popescu;damned engineers and their insatiable hunger for rube goldberg items 1088431;1428169595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you're willing to live with a woman, free. you have to find her. 1088432;1428169598;asciilifeform;theoretical still needs to house library. 1088433;1428169601;mircea_popescu;otherwise, about 2-500 1088434;1428169608;asciilifeform;and buy quietspace 1088435;1428169622;asciilifeform;(in that sense i often envy jurov his mechanical ear) 1088436;1428169632;asciilifeform;^ it comes with 'off' switch 1088437;1428169633;mircea_popescu;i don't think he's too happy with it. 1088438;1428169634;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: We're not discussing you though. We're discussing whaack 1088439;1428169642;gabriel_laddel;I understand your needs to some degree. 1088440;1428169650;asciilifeform;must confess, i can't speak for him, yes 1088441;1428169651;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason. 1088442;1428169666;asciilifeform;'who will speak of what, but the dog - of fleas', yes 1088443;1428169672;asciilifeform;it is a kinda favourite of mine. 1088444;1428169688;mircea_popescu;it's a slippery slope. 1088445;1428169701;gabriel_laddel;Lol, this has been discussed so much I've actually a list of foods to bribe stas with 1088446;1428169703;mircea_popescu;men not speaking of children has resulted in the current disaster. 1088447;1428169706;gabriel_laddel;soviet cocolate 1088448;1428169708;gabriel_laddel;sprats 1088449;1428169727;mircea_popescu;sprats off of smallish natasha tits! 1088450;1428169731;*;asciilifeform remembers to restock, has lately run short on sprat 1088451;1428169737;gabriel_laddel;haha 1088452;1428169758;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'libnss-pgsql: maintainer address bounces' <<< l0l!!! 1088453;1428169761;mircea_popescu;ru chicks, and especially small ru (ie, ukrainian) chicks grow tall, slender, and with this very specific b cup 1088454;1428169786;mircea_popescu;just as much an ethnotype as the turkic heavy ass set. 1088455;1428169813;mircea_popescu;(thick black hair - think kardashian, a fine specimen) 1088456;1428169871;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they managed to create the perfect fucking beast yo. a nsa package that ruins free and open software, nobody knows about and apparently nobody maintains or ever maintained. 1088457;1428169878;mircea_popescu;"just one of those things". like rain, or the usg. 1088458;1428169884;mircea_popescu;"google - is" 1088459;1428169904;mircea_popescu;if there isn't another heartbleed in there, someone's been slacking on their job. 1088460;1428169971;asciilifeform;there's definitely some leakage in there, at the very least 1088461;1428170073;asciilifeform;and is anyone else suffering some indigestion at least from the 12 or so detectable instances of jumps-depending-on-uninitialized-values in -the wallet handling code- ? 1088462;1428170081;asciilifeform;of bitcoind 0.5.3.1 1088463;1428170091;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel anyway, i'll bet you i'll have him publicly recant his soviet chocolate cant. the chocolate here... o mai gawd. 1088464;1428170107;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but we're not using the wallet code in 0.5.3 1088465;1428170111;mircea_popescu;as ben_vulpes correctly intuited. 1088466;1428170111;asciilifeform;me - no 1088467;1428170127;*;asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich 1088468;1428170140;mircea_popescu;this stuff specifically tho. but we see. 1088469;1428170151;mircea_popescu;you recall how conference 2 had local champagne ? this will have local chocolate instead. 1088470;1428170156;gabriel_laddel;$conference 1088471;1428170177;mircea_popescu;im thinking one pound. because you shouldn't be able to put away more than that in a weekend. 1088472;1428170195;asciilifeform;to the extent 'modern' walletrons are descended from what i'm seeing here... 1088473;1428170201;asciilifeform;!up whaack 1088474;1428170202;mircea_popescu;!up whaack 1088475;1428170206;mircea_popescu;you should get in wot yo. 1088476;1428170237;whaack;i've been working on it 1088477;1428170269;mircea_popescu;!h 1088478;1428170269;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1088479;1428170287;whaack;i just got a new laptop (well a new old laptop) installed linux, took out wireless comm, and got a gpg key generated offline 1088480;1428170329;gabriel_laddel; gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason. << the lady doth protest too much, methinks 1088481;1428170655;mircea_popescu;bbl 1088482;1428171525;asciilifeform;!up whaack 1088483;1428171825;whaack;ty 1088484;1428171881;whaack;!rate asciilifeform 1 appears to be good at comp. security 1088485;1428171881;assbot;You must be rated before you can rate. 1088486;1428171975;nubbins`;asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich <<< canadian Cadbury chocolate contains british milk 1088487;1428171988;nubbins`;american cadbury's chocolate... is made by hershey's/ 1088488;1428171989;asciilifeform;nubbins`: iirc - not for long 1088489;1428171996;asciilifeform;nubbins`: kraft bought it. 1088490;1428171999;nubbins`;:( 1088491;1428172016;nubbins`;could this be the end of Jersey Milk bars?! 1088492;1428172032;*;nubbins` stocks up on Fruit & Nut 1088493;1428172054;nubbins`;compared to cadbury chocolate, hershey's is like dollar-store easter eggs 1088494;1428172068;asciilifeform;kraft will make short work of cadbury. 1088495;1428172083;nubbins`;i might have to switch over to Ritter Sport 1088496;1428172087;nubbins`;(also quite good) 1088497;1428172141;asciilifeform;kraft would like the whole planet to join its 'feast of engineering' (TM) 1088498;1428172152;whaack;so is http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets out of date? I just need to register with assbot, correct? 1088499;1428172215;trinque;whaack: yeah, follow the register instructions here http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot?s[]=assbot 1088500;1428172237;trinque;er... there aren't instructions, just do the !register command 1088501;1428172244;nubbins`;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/canadas-keeping-classic-cadbury-eggs-as-britons-fret-changes-to-recipe/article22548202/ 1088502;1428172246;assbot;While Britain scrambles its Cadbury egg recipe, Canada's keeping it classic - The Globe and Mail ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxZltP ) 1088503;1428172246;nubbins`;o.O 1088504;1428172254;nubbins`;maybe there's hope after all 1088505;1428172332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00028425 = 3.8658 BTC [-] 1088506;1428173032;nubbins`;here's the shared libs that 0.5.3.1 on darwin hauls in: 1088507;1428173032;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0g5esJQs 1088508;1428173033;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUnYCO ) 1088509;1428173271;ben_vulpes;buenos dias 1088510;1428173354;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088404 << how's this coming, btw? 1088511;1428173354;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 17:40:43; gabriel_laddel: - http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (imho this needs wait until #b-a disto) 1088512;1428173413;trinque;ben_vulpes: that's an *excellent* business idea 1088513;1428173464;nubbins`;http://presschain.com/arrested-dea-agent-linked-to-bitcoin-foundation-chairman-peter-vessenes/ 1088514;1428173466;assbot;Arrested DEA Agent linked to Bitcoin Foundation Chairman, Peter Vessenes | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUozV8 ) 1088515;1428173624;trinque;nubbins`: I'm gonna need a cork board with pins and string at this point 1088516;1428173640;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: are you working with buildroot from within a gentoo vm on your mac? 1088517;1428173715;nubbins`;yes 1088518;1428173727;nubbins`;hence the 3.5h compiles 1088519;1428173757;ben_vulpes;dag. 1088520;1428173788;ben_vulpes;is that to compile buildroot itself or using buildroot to compile linuxen? 1088521;1428173796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00029122 = 7.0184 BTC [+] 1088522;1428173820;nubbins`;ah both 1088523;1428173832;ben_vulpes;3.5 apiece or summed? 1088524;1428173841;nubbins`;summed 1088525;1428173847;ben_vulpes;i see 1088526;1428173863;nubbins`;that's to compile a cross-toolchain, and a kernel with rootfs 1088527;1428173863;ben_vulpes;what are you using for virtualization? vagrant/virtualbox? 1088528;1428173869;nubbins`;virtualbox 1088529;1428173883;nubbins`;and various other things like uboot, w/e 1088530;1428173899;nubbins`;anyway, this is all on a 7yo laptop 1088531;1428173900;ben_vulpes;!s gentoo systemd 1088532;1428173901;assbot;19 results for 'gentoo systemd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gentoo+systemd 1088533;1428173907;nubbins`;so the poor vm has half of a core 2 duo and 4gb ram 1088534;1428173925;nubbins`;i'm not using systemd 1088535;1428173946;ben_vulpes;i'm looking for the 'how to gentoo without systemd for noobs' link 1088536;1428173966;nubbins`;let me find the guide i followed 1088537;1428173997;trinque;ben_vulpes: you don't end up with systemd unless you ask for it 1088538;1428174002;trinque;you get openrc by default 1088539;1428174030;nubbins`;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page 1088540;1428174031;assbot;Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUpmW1 ) 1088541;1428174032;nubbins`;yeah 1088542;1428174038;nubbins`;pick your arch at the top and go ahead 1088543;1428174050;nubbins`;like trinque says, you have to explicitly choose systemd 1088544;1428174087;nubbins`;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Base#Optional:_Using_systemd 1088545;1428174089;assbot;Installing the Gentoo base system - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUptRm ) 1088546;1428174102;nubbins`;"The remainder of the Gentoo Handbook focuses on OpenRC as the default init support system. If systemd is wanted instead, or are planning to use Gnome 3.8 and later (which requires systemd), please consult the systemd page as it elaborates on the different configuration settings and methods." 1088547;1428174113;trinque;gentoo has a concept of "profile" which sets a bunch of defaults in use flags, masks, etc 1088548;1428174121;trinque;you'd have to choose a systemd profile which is not the default 1088549;1428174134;trinque;you will in the default profile end up with systemd's udev though 1088550;1428174144;trinque;lemme see what I did about that per asciilifeform's suggestion 1088551;1428174182;trinque;sys-fs/udev in /etc/portage/package.mask 1088552;1428174216;nubbins`;$ ls /etc/portage/package.mask/ 1088553;1428174216;nubbins`;libtool openrc perl 1088554;1428174217;trinque;removed that, installed eudev 1088555;1428174239;trinque;nubbins`: what are you masking related to openrc? 1088556;1428174270;nubbins`; "If you are making a web video, or a documentary, or a podcast and you're picking music to go with it, do me a favor and think to yourself "could this music be used in a bank commercial? Or a Target ad?" And if the answer is "yes" please pick something else." 1088687;1428181101;ben_vulpes;so it needs to be a 32 bit vm to compile pythongs for arm?! 1088688;1428181127;nubbins`;i don't think bitcoind needs python, i think it's just compiling EVERYTHING in boost 1088689;1428181142;pete_dushenski;morality: quod licet iovi, non licet bovi. 1088690;1428181152;nubbins`;but yes, on 32-bit machine this apparently doesn't happen. might be workaroundable 1088691;1428181158;pete_dushenski;to take another proverb from 'icarus' short 1088692;1428181268;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: how would one go about determining what parts of boost weren't needed and then compiling boost without those bits? 1088693;1428181278;nubbins`;\o/ 1088694;1428181288;ben_vulpes;ya me either 1088695;1428181288;nubbins`;it's on the list 1088696;1428181297;mircea_popescu;putcha arms in da air like you jus dun care... 1088697;1428181351;trinque;chop one, compile, chop another, compile... 1088698;1428181393;trinque;ben_vulpes: for python.. ./bootstrap.sh --without-libraries=python 1088699;1428181416;trinque;and also --without-python to the bjam step 1088700;1428181422;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDrze-T4A1Y 1088701;1428181423;assbot;Cameo - Word Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyUWHe ) 1088702;1428181491;nubbins`;oo ty 1088703;1428181588;mircea_popescu;the 90s. so fucken broken in retrospective. 1088704;1428181655;nubbins`;^ 1088705;1428181730;mircea_popescu;i think stylistically the 20s looked just as broken in 1935. 1088706;1428181744;mircea_popescu;orwell seems to think so at any rate. 1088707;1428181806;nubbins`;sknxxxxxx you need to enable stack protection in buildroot toolchain 1088708;1428181823;*;nubbins` starts over 1088709;1428181994;mircea_popescu;!up whaack 1088710;1428182000;mircea_popescu;!rate whaack 1 New blood 1088711;1428182000;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d4fc4dc84d82459c 1088712;1428182025;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.whaack.1:36fd55c84b4411deb8f2c9338798f7c8a7e14802b1caf7a68ec9f4c78ce3ff4c 1088713;1428182025;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for whaack with note: New blood 1088714;1428182069;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088495 << that's prolly the only supermaket chocolate brand that's edible. 1088715;1428182069;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 18:28:03; nubbins`: i might have to switch over to Ritter Sport 1088716;1428182076;whaack;http://img.pandawhale.com/post-30824-Jack-Nicholson-Creepy-Nodding-t5bI.gif 1088717;1428182078;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6BlOT ) 1088718;1428182131;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: hopefully you're taking notes 1088719;1428182139;mircea_popescu;whaack now you can self-up. try it. 1088720;1428182142;mircea_popescu;!down whaack 1088721;1428182178;mircea_popescu;nubbins` /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib << wtf is zlib doing in there ?! 1088722;1428182232;mircea_popescu;/usr/local/lib/gcc/4.9/libgcc_s.1.dylib << for crying out loud. 1088723;1428182306;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088514 << you don't say. 1088724;1428182306;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 18:51:06; assbot: Arrested DEA Agent linked to Bitcoin Foundation Chairman, Peter Vessenes | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUozV8 ) 1088725;1428182336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27336 @ 0.00029122 = 7.9608 BTC [+] 1088726;1428182413;mircea_popescu;" As you may recall, there was public outcry during the fall of Mt. Gox as to why the Bitcoin Foundation never once warned Bitcoin investors about keeping deposits in Mt. Gox, despite clear red flags dating back to at least April 2013" 1088727;1428182416;mircea_popescu;heh. 1088728;1428182560;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088535 << this should srsly be in the b-a wiki. 1088729;1428182560;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 18:59:06; ben_vulpes: i'm looking for the 'how to gentoo without systemd for noobs' link 1088730;1428182607;trinque;mircea_popescu: instructions amount to "don't install it" plus eudev not udev 1088731;1428182617;mircea_popescu;whatever they are. should be there. 1088732;1428182621;mircea_popescu;wd. 1088733;1428182631;whaack;ty :) 1088734;1428182670;nubbins`;;;google gentoo handbook 1088735;1428182670;gribble;Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki: ; Handbook:AMD64 - Gentoo Wiki: ; Gentoo Linux amd64 Handbook: Installing Gentoo - Gentoo Wiki: 1088736;1428182678;nubbins`;^ there's yr instructions 1088737;1428182697;mircea_popescu;still should be a b-a wiki page. 1088738;1428182703;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lol @ vessenes. another cv bullet point eh 1088739;1428182710;nubbins`;it's per-architecture, and like 10+ pages each 1088740;1428182731;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski im just saving it to be really smug at mike_c later on, because he was really mindboggled by the entire "usms fraud" thread a while back. 1088741;1428182731;nubbins`;but yes, should be at least smth on wiki 1088742;1428182764;mircea_popescu;memory hole effect. somehow while we clearly see how stupid Xi is, it doesn't end up taring the whole of X equally. 1088743;1428182783;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: heh. he does get mindboggled on some, uh, unique things 1088744;1428182799;pete_dushenski;qntra share value/market cap also comes to mind 1088745;1428182802;mircea_popescu;i get it tho, it just didn't compute. 1088746;1428182824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00029122 = 2.4754 BTC [+] 1088747;1428182843;pete_dushenski;but of course, someone has to be skeptical 1088748;1428182853;mircea_popescu;anyway. so much to feel smug about ima going to have some people do it for me. 1088749;1428182861;nubbins`;finishing off the last of this amazing dry calabrese 1088750;1428182861;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1088751;1428182861;pete_dushenski;even if just for the benefit of log readers 1088752;1428182875;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no homo ? 1088753;1428182880;nubbins`;no homo 1088754;1428182888;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: dat delegation 1088755;1428182898;mircea_popescu;cause you know... when all you eat is sausage... 1088756;1428182909;nubbins`;popsicles & bananas too 1088757;1428182920;Adlai;impossible to create bitbets with a resolution further than one year!? 1088758;1428182927;nubbins`;have a "hot hungarian salami" that i'm gonna dig into next, caught my eye because pkg said "no refrigeration required" 1088759;1428182937;nubbins`;and NONE of the dry sausage mfg's are brave enough to state this 1088760;1428182938;*;Adlai wanted to create "Vessenes Foundation Outlives Obama Administration" 1088761;1428182940;mircea_popescu;Adlai myeah. was either a year or two. why, what did you have in mind ? 1088762;1428182962;mircea_popescu;if you're willing to seed it significantly it may be hand made. 1088763;1428182972;Adlai;what's "significantly"? 1088764;1428182975;mircea_popescu;nubbins` properly made salami is fine w/o fridge. 1088765;1428182996;nubbins`;oh, no doubt. it's just exceedingly rare for a supermarket sausage to actually say this 1088766;1428183001;mircea_popescu;aha 1088767;1428183008;mircea_popescu;Adlai one of those "if you gotta ask..." 1088768;1428183012;Adlai;myeah 1088769;1428183026;Adlai;well at least it's in the logs now, maybe a sportsman lurker will pick this up 1088770;1428183045;mircea_popescu;even without that, messy bet. what's "outlives" ? 1088771;1428183055;Adlai;bankrupcy, dissolution, or impeachment 1088772;1428183062;mircea_popescu;bfl still lives ? how about bcst ? 1088773;1428183070;Adlai;yes, no. 1088774;1428183074;mircea_popescu;heh. 1088775;1428183092;mircea_popescu;the difference is exactly arbitrary. 1088776;1428183117;Adlai;and the debate is exactly theoretical, because i hadta ask 1088777;1428183150;Adlai;i guess it's more practical than theoretical, but still hypothetical 1088778;1428183371;nubbins`;yearlong bets are yawners 1088779;1428183372;mircea_popescu;"a bitcoind (pseudo-static, portatronic, orphanage-burner patch with max-bastard constant value of 5 running on pogo, heathen linux.)" << i lelled. 1088780;1428183380;mircea_popescu;soon we'll have names for this thing like spanish nobility. 1088781;1428183401;nubbins`;i've begun keeping a glossolalia glossary 1088782;1428183412;nubbins`;just so i can keep track of what the convo is about 1088783;1428183416;mircea_popescu;Pablo, Diego, Jos, Francisco de Paula, Juan Nepomuceno, Maria de los Remedios, Cipriano de la Santisima Trinidad Ruiz 1088784;1428183434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35999 @ 0.00029122 = 10.4836 BTC [+] 1088785;1428183440;nubbins`;reading the logs is like reading cien anos de soledad 1088786;1428183451;nubbins`;"/which/ arcadia buendias is this again?" 1088787;1428183459;mircea_popescu;except it actually takes 100 years, of solitude. 1088788;1428183470;nubbins`;^^ 1088789;1428183474;mircea_popescu;i dunno why alf's so worried about prison. 1088790;1428183481;nubbins`;love in the time of bitcoin 1088791;1428183488;mircea_popescu;he'll finally have time to find the penultimate bug in bitcoin-donut-core 1088792;1428183496;nubbins`;bitcoin timbit 1088793;1428183499;mircea_popescu;then a passing ant can salute his grave 1088794;1428183589;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: timbit < lel 1088795;1428183606;pete_dushenski;for those who don't know, this is what canadians call a 'donut hole' 1088796;1428183607;mircea_popescu;what version control when you have ongregatio de Cultu Divino et Disciplina Sacramentorum references ready ? 1088797;1428183630;pete_dushenski;the tim hortons franchise has 'kleenexed' this pastry 1088798;1428183707;nubbins`;tim hortons is terrible 1088799;1428183857;pete_dushenski;and water's wet. 1088800;1428183872;pete_dushenski;and bitcoind is a mess. 1088801;1428184249;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088486 << cadbury's is using less 'food' than ever, related: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/29/the-shoe-shine-kids-great-grandson-and-creme-eggs/ 1088802;1428184249;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 18:26:15; nubbins`: asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich <<< canadian Cadbury chocolate contains british milk 1088803;1428184250;assbot;The shoe-shine kid’s great-grandson. And creme eggs. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1C27AdS ) 1088804;1428184325;pete_dushenski;this is exactly mr. fortunederp's "we never said it was the original source" 1088805;1428184439;pete_dushenski;if cadbury is willing to throw their biggest market under the bus, smaller markets like canada aren't far behind. 1088806;1428184628;ben_vulpes;under the bus? 1088807;1428184634;mircea_popescu;the problem with command economies is that there's no market. 1088808;1428184640;ben_vulpes;it's just a new milking. 1088809;1428184650;mircea_popescu;cadbury produces for ^H^H^H at hte government's pleasure. 1088810;1428184669;mircea_popescu;it will make brown polyester almonds if that's what gets it the sweet sweet qe paper. 1088811;1428184725;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: sewers them, poisons them, kills them 1088812;1428184786;ben_vulpes;i'm just a wee confused at the notion that there's some sort of relationship between cadbury and its 'customers' that cadbury is 'throwing under the bus'. 1088813;1428184901;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1088814;1428184966;ben_vulpes;"there are a number of reasons why a large proportion of Gentoo users choose to configure their kernels manually:" 1088815;1428184971;ben_vulpes;... 1088816;1428184977;ben_vulpes;"4. the learning experience," 1088817;1428184984;ben_vulpes;"5. severe boredom," 1088818;1428185000;ben_vulpes;mhm. 1088819;1428185159;pete_dushenski;re: cadbury, i'll grant that 'throwing under the bus' implies that the customer's reputation is being damaged 1088820;1428185179;pete_dushenski;i agree that consumers have expectations, not reputations 1088821;1428185213;pete_dushenski;perhaps simply 'poisoning' would've sufficed 1088822;1428185264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58728 @ 0.00028492 = 16.7328 BTC [-] {4} 1088823;1428185278;mircea_popescu;not the point. the point is that cadbury has the same relationship with random derp buying chocolate as pharma company with random derp taking pills. 1088824;1428185286;mircea_popescu;pharma sells to doctors, and is paid by government. 1088825;1428185297;mircea_popescu;cadbury sells to "institutions" aka govt agencies, and is paid by same way. 1088826;1428185300;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006235.0 1088827;1428185301;assbot;Bitcoin digital art prints - Decorate your home in Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzLPsa ) 1088828;1428185304;nubbins`;^ woodcollector talking to himself 1088829;1428185424;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: aha. 1088830;1428185526;pete_dushenski;the government being a customer but not 'a customer' means that it doesn't care about quality in the same way, just quantity 1088831;1428185562;pete_dushenski;which ties back into the earlier discussion about inflation being 15%, not 3% 1088832;1428185572;mircea_popescu;it cares about what the junseth dude was talking about. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087623 1088833;1428185572;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 01:41:41; junseth: RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. The college I went to cost $45k/year. I paid $3k per year because the number they make you pay and the sticker price are completely different. 1088834;1428185587;mircea_popescu;ie, "fair metrics". if it can be called chocolate so they tick off whatever thing in some paperwork. 1088835;1428185594;mircea_popescu;"chocolate delivered to troops fighting in eurasia" 1088836;1428185602;mircea_popescu;it can be made out of thinned out air for all they care. 1088837;1428185627;pete_dushenski;as long as the press release says "happy troops appreciate reminders of home" 1088838;1428185637;mircea_popescu;heck, the solution of renaming the homeless to "Solve" "the homeless problem" is exactly cosubstantial with how command economies "solve problems". 1088839;1428185653;mircea_popescu;"we have 500 people and 200 fish" "cut fish open, insert 2.5x time their weight of dirt, sew back together" 1088840;1428185661;pete_dushenski;which they do, and since it's been so long since they've had anything resembling chocolate, the imitation stuff works 1088841;1428185676;mircea_popescu;none of this being in any sense a market. 1088842;1428185690;mircea_popescu;as long as we're ticking off words off wordlists we might not even bother with the industry at all. 1088843;1428185697;mircea_popescu;sit all day in starbucks and derp about "technologee" 1088844;1428185702;mircea_popescu;which is what's happening exactly. 1088845;1428185720;pete_dushenski;this is 'the service economy' 1088846;1428185726;pete_dushenski;or 'post-industrial' 1088847;1428185765;mircea_popescu;what is the market ? look at all these two bit "serial entrepreneurs" with their constant start-ups. how often is the news item "previous start-up of X did something" vs "new start-up of X got so many in lolfunding from a) people who wish to be in this press release and b) people he owes money to from the past, and we're not mentioning that past" ?" 1088848;1428185768;pete_dushenski;in a nutshell that's made from lab-modified nuts 1088849;1428185813;cazalla;i live 5 min from an aussie cadbury factory, you'd think you'd be able to smell whatever they make there but nothing 1088850;1428185816;mircea_popescu;the recent derpology wtf was it called perfect example 1088851;1428185818;mircea_popescu;lemme fish it out 1088852;1428185864;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1087331 <<< that thing consists of exactly nothing past the name, there's no value to be created out of the plan exposed. much like "bitcoin embassies in argentina" or the rest of the plowing flies bs. 1088853;1428185864;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 22:30:07; jurov: "Erik Voorhees as Founder of ShapeShift, announces seed round with Barry Silbert, Roger Ver" further down 1088854;1428185908;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, silbert is a guy who wants to get his name associated with the space, ver is a meanwhile broke dude who imagines that if he keeps being mentioned he stays relevant, as if, and voorhees just wants to keep his name in the press lest people forget. 1088855;1428185926;mircea_popescu;well, not the sort of people liable to go "hey, what ever became of the coinapult / feedzebirds / whatervs". 1088856;1428185970;mircea_popescu;!up whoopX2 1088857;1428185994;mircea_popescu;ethereum through and through "technologees" you can't even short because nobody actually bought. because no actual market, because no actual anything there. 1088858;1428186063;pete_dushenski;and now the 'crowdfunding' cap is 50 mn bezzlars because the command economy doesn't do nickels and dimes worth a shit 1088859;1428186076;mircea_popescu;so... yeah k, markets are efficient. anglosphere hasn't seen a market in many decades, if indeed it did this century. 1088860;1428186110;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski and amusingly, this is a very indicative symptom of the problem. if "inflation didn't exist" and all this created value, people would care as much about 10 bucks now as 50 years ago. hey, it's a lunch. 1088861;1428186123;mircea_popescu;but THAT is the true measure of inflation : what VCs find "not worth their time". 1088862;1428186145;mircea_popescu;back when this shit was starting, late 70s/early 80s, a VC partner needed to keep an eye on about 500k - 1mn worth of equity. 1088863;1428186154;mircea_popescu;by now, 50mn is really too low, 100mn more like it. 1088864;1428186163;mircea_popescu;that is (AGAIN!!!) 100x. 1088865;1428186178;mircea_popescu;goes splendidly with the 100x i extracted from real estate and the 100x i extracted from education. 1088866;1428186189;mircea_popescu;and it would go exactly with the exact same 100x you'd get looking at health care. 1088867;1428186199;mircea_popescu;fact is, for the past half century, inflation was about 10`000% total. 1088868;1428186233;mircea_popescu;that's a little over 20% per annum. 1088869;1428186262;pete_dushenski;so if your investments are yielding 20%... you're getting assfucked 1088870;1428186268;pete_dushenski;aren't* 1088871;1428186270;mircea_popescu;no. not at all. 1088872;1428186284;mircea_popescu;if your investmentrs aren't yielding 20% WHILE YOUR POLITICAL CLOUT IS YIELDING 20%!!! 1088873;1428186300;mircea_popescu;if you don't get 100 senators for every senator you had in 1965, you're behind. 1088874;1428186301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00028076 = 6.9348 BTC [-] 1088875;1428186337;mircea_popescu;conceivably you have to make well over 50% per year to keep up with the bureaucracy inflation that always doubles paper money inflation in a command economy. 1088876;1428186378;pete_dushenski;that sounds... tricky. 1088877;1428186389;pete_dushenski;to yield 50%+ that is 1088878;1428186408;pete_dushenski;buffett did what, 15% per annum over that period 1088879;1428186409;mircea_popescu;which is why (in another, financial-based formulation) the whole shebang's approaching event horizon. 1088880;1428186419;mircea_popescu;specifically because math is math, and the thing can't even keep up with itself. 1088881;1428186425;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1088882;1428186446;mircea_popescu;buffett is a success story in the sense that he managed, with skill and persistence, to get fleeced LESS than anyone else. 1088883;1428186463;mircea_popescu;part of this is his complete neglect of investing in politics, which is why as a senile old man he's writing blanket checks to the government. 1088884;1428186491;mircea_popescu;"i support america because if i didn't, you'd just take it all anyway like putin took X's. I'm no Soros." 1088885;1428186529;pete_dushenski;whereas soros flew the coop ? 1088886;1428186559;pete_dushenski;or just diversified out of hungary or w/e 1088887;1428186584;mircea_popescu;well, one can maintain an independent position 1088888;1428186607;mircea_popescu;(iirc he's still wanted on "tax evasion", which is pretty much the highest accolade of personal achievement the empire can bestow on any free individual) 1088889;1428186615;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: when building your gentoo kernel did you use menuconfig, and if so did you run into errors along the lines of "the cpu you selected does not support the x86_64 instruction set"? 1088890;1428186649;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: 'iron cross' 1088891;1428186659;pete_dushenski;!up julmac 1088892;1428186669;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: i'm basically just walking the list of processor types in make menuconfig 1088893;1428186680;*;ben_vulpes hacks gems out of the temple walls 1088894;1428186748;nubbins`;what page of the handbook are you on 1088895;1428186766;pete_dushenski;julmac: and who might you be ? 1088896;1428186806;nubbins`;ben_vulpes actually i think i used genkernel. 1088897;1428186822;nubbins`;bit heavy but w/e 1088898;1428186828;ben_vulpes;well now i'm wondering if i even got the right stage 3 1088899;1428186840;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Kernel 1088900;1428186841;assbot;Handbook:X86/Installation/Kernel - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzP031 ) 1088901;1428186883;nubbins`;which stage3 did you download 1088902;1428186924;ben_vulpes;>.< 1088903;1428186926;ben_vulpes;i686 1088904;1428186931;mircea_popescu;lolk 1088905;1428186993;*;ben_vulpes sighs 1088906;1428187008;trinque;ben_vulpes: make sure it all matches what you specified when you made the vm too 1088907;1428187046;nubbins`;heh 1088908;1428187286;ben_vulpes;http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/ << what am i not understanding about why there is no "64" on that page at all 1088909;1428187287;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzQ2Mo ) 1088910;1428187647;trinque;ben_vulpes: http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/ 1088911;1428187648;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzQGcT ) 1088912;1428187656;trinque;up from there 1088913;1428187704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00028394 = 7.7232 BTC [+] {2} 1088914;1428187728;trinque;on the page you're looking at, the various ?86 builds are referring to different compiler optimizations used, different libc, or security features being kicked on 1088915;1428187735;trinque;but all for the 32bit x86 1088916;1428187765;trinque;vs they consider amd64 to be a separate architecture entirely 1088917;1428187771;ben_vulpes;that's a spectacular derping on my part i suppose 1088918;1428187781;ben_vulpes;in the meantime, i think i found the x86_64 stuff 1088919;1428187789;trinque;meh, it depends on how you slice it; they chose that way 1088920;1428187802;ben_vulpes;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9321313 << "i don't get a say in this new world order and that sucks!" 1088921;1428187804;assbot;Whether Bitcoin was designed as a scam, I'm not too interested. Whether Bitcoin... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzQZ7v ) 1088922;1428187839;mircea_popescu;awwww. 1088923;1428187892;mircea_popescu;"The difference is, the people whose behavior would be controlled have no say in changing those economic assumptions. " 1088924;1428187900;mircea_popescu;check it out, derps catching on to trilema cca 2012. 1088925;1428187916;mircea_popescu;"Why does that matter? Because people have a right to democratic institutions. People have a right to vote on or have a say in matters that govern their lives. Bitcoin, as it exists now, takes that away from people." 1088926;1428187918;mircea_popescu;no, they do not. 1088927;1428187923;mircea_popescu;they had A CHANCE and they fucked it up. 1088928;1428187927;mircea_popescu;that party ends here. 1088929;1428187975;trinque;the knucklehead's from Oregon, represents well the prevailing attitude 1088930;1428187992;ben_vulpes;trinque: how'd you figure that? 1088931;1428187994;mircea_popescu;somewhat related, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3dfaf384998a278f67e6bb5c52b52143/tumblr_nlknpppJDw1txazkmo1_1280.jpg 1088932;1428187995;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzRlec ) 1088933;1428187999;trinque;ben_vulpes: he mentions it in another comment 1088934;1428188000;mircea_popescu;trinque he can represent anything he wants lol. 1088935;1428188113;mircea_popescu;this idea that most people "should" get a say in what happens to them... dude, if you do that, the same most people go "hey, i don't want to be bothered reading 548958609 pages of tax code, to then go have a hanging party for the govt that made it". 1088936;1428188146;mircea_popescu;"but we only want a say in the things we want a say in and only for the part we want to say something" "yeah well that's not how this works" 1088937;1428188167;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean, i can't own a pet only for the portion where i wanna play with it, but not for the portion where i have to feed it and clean its cage ??!?!" "exactly" 1088938;1428188242;mircea_popescu;"so you mean to tell me now i don't get a say into how the world works anymore, because back when i got the benefit of the doubt all i could do was being an idiot on reddit ?" "exactly" 1088939;1428188249;trinque;the relevance of the tumbler pic gets clearer and clearer 1088940;1428188251;mircea_popescu;"BUT NOBODY TOLD ME THIS WILL HAPPEN!!!1" "mp did" 1088941;1428188255;mircea_popescu;"i never read it!!11" 1088942;1428188270;mircea_popescu;"so ?" "i never agreed to this!111" 1088943;1428188330;mircea_popescu;"how about you go be a transsexual/gender confused/derpopotamus about Bitcoin TOO, then" 1088944;1428188537;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 91,983. 1088945;1428188619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 633 @ 0.00285001 = 1.8041 BTC [-] {9} 1088946;1428188823;mircea_popescu;in other news... "push your tits in the air like you jus' dun care..." http://36.media.tumblr.com/6e68fceefb3b8978db736a6c94d17028/tumblr_na1pvuWFRh1tonrdjo3_1280.jpg 1088947;1428188824;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7bQha ) 1088948;1428188920;pete_dushenski;guy by the door... doesn't care. 1088949;1428189709;mircea_popescu;trinque essentially what it boils down to is the proposition that the underclass does not agree the elite should have the right to opt out whatever redistribution system they come up with. 1088950;1428189731;mircea_popescu;this is ridiculous on the face, of course, but hey. if they understood things they wouldn't be underclass. 1088951;1428190388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00028423 = 9.9481 BTC [+] 1088952;1428190790;Adlai;well the french revolution did happen... or was it organized by the new elite who got sick of wannabelite underclassmen-in-king's-clothing? 1088953;1428190864;Adlai;in other words: a sufficient number of underclassmen armed with pitchforks (or AK47s) can ruin an upperclassman's day 1088954;1428190888;trinque;mircea_popescu: this brings back to mind what you said last night about making a clear distinction between natural law and the purpose-driven "regulation" of human societies. I'm not in a position to well articulate this, so I'll just barf this: it seems the HN commenter in question is simply not in touch with reality, and there is nothing forcing him to be, neither nature nor someone in charge of 1088955;1428190890;trinque;him. 1088956;1428190937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.0002784 = 8.6304 BTC [-] {2} 1088957;1428190941;Adlai;he's in touch with "his reality", by which i mean, the reality of the society in which he operates. that society might be out of touch with realreality, but that doesn't require the inside of the bubble to see what's without. 1088958;1428190967;ben_vulpes;Adlai: french revolution is indeed a good tale of the hidden power structure (french bureaucracy) toppling the figureheads. 1088959;1428190999;ben_vulpes;de toqueville wrote about it at length - 'the old regime and the revolution' was the title of the translation i read 1088960;1428191036;Adlai;the [fake plastic] tree of liberty must be from time to time refreshed with the blood of scapegoats 1088961;1428191118;trinque;going further, it stands to reason that neither most nor many men can produce a model of reality that works, in that it deals with risk well and identifies reward 1088962;1428191158;ben_vulpes;using only a single model is a risky move itself. 1088963;1428191175;*;Adlai worries less about production than recognition / recollection 1088964;1428191184;trinque;sure, but there's a model which says compare the output of various models 1088965;1428191226;ben_vulpes;"ah ah, mister! you can't get me that easily! it's models all the way out!" 1088966;1428191232;trinque;hahaha 1088967;1428191233;nubbins`;ha 1088968;1428191247;trinque;in the head of a human, it most certainly is 1088969;1428191251;ben_vulpes;models to model other people's models 1088970;1428191262;ben_vulpes;https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/there-is-only-awe/ << jaynes, relevant. 1088971;1428191264;assbot;There Is Only Awe | Online Only | n+1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR4oMP ) 1088972;1428191264;nubbins`;so if there's a model that contains models of all the models 1088973;1428191276;nubbins`;and it contains a model of itself 1088974;1428191305;ben_vulpes;maxwell's demon? 1088975;1428191344;ben_vulpes;nah. 1088976;1428191378;ben_vulpes;nevertheless, minor errors in the models will compound. 1088977;1428191392;ben_vulpes;"you can't model the universe with anything short of a universe." 1088978;1428191447;nubbins`;i was going for russell's paradox but zzzz 1088979;1428191457;trinque;nubbins` | so if there's a model that contains models of all the models << nobody's head has a complete model of anything 1088980;1428191468;trinque;so yeah in the abstract infinite regress right? 1088981;1428191527;nubbins`;"complete model" doesn't really make sense 1088982;1428191660;trinque;what's the issue with saying some people have better strategies for interacting with reality than others? 1088983;1428191683;trinque;+nubbins` | "complete model" doesn't really make sense << thought I said that 1088984;1428191689;Adlai;"complete model" = copy of thing that's being modelled, optionally with the ability to diddle, reset, etc 1088985;1428191714;nubbins`;trinque i mean in the general sense :D 1088986;1428191764;nubbins`;where's the thing, uh 1088987;1428191796;nubbins`;http://www.legiontheory.com/realms.html 1088988;1428191798;assbot;Realms ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR5LuO ) 1088989;1428191843;nubbins`;pogotron people interested in trimming boost down: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_49_0/tools/bcp/doc/html/index.html 1088990;1428191844;assbot;BCP - 1.49.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR5S9K ) 1088991;1428191845;trinque;They interact with an internal model of the external world – the realm primus – and interpret this interaction as experience of the “real world”. << yeah, and for some people that realm involves jesus and satan, others republicans and democrats 1088992;1428191852;*;trinque continues to read 1088993;1428191853;nubbins`;trinque +1 1088994;1428191864;nubbins`;that's the middle chapter 1088995;1428191892;nubbins`;site's worth bookmarking, interesting *cough* model 1088996;1428191905;trinque;haha, yeah looks very interesting; thank you 1088997;1428191929;*;Adlai is a little suspicious of the presentation screaming "we are crackpots! real scientists hate us!" 1088998;1428191931;nubbins`;was shared here a while back 1088999;1428191944;nubbins`;Adlai +1! 1089000;1428191953;ben_vulpes;don't worry Adlai, nubbins` filters the true crackpots out 1089001;1428191964;trinque;I'm a crackpot so w/e 1089002;1428191968;nubbins`;but everybody who studies the nature of consciousness is a crackpot 1089003;1428191973;nubbins`;whether professionally or on their own time 1089004;1428191994;nubbins`;one-way ticket to the bughouse 1089005;1428192008;Adlai;that site overloads my undesirable crackpot filters with false positives before ocr has even returned a single line 1089006;1428192015;trinque;lol 1089007;1428192029;nubbins`;Adlai what does http://thebitcoin.foundation, http://mpex.co do to your crackpot filters 1089008;1428192039;nubbins`;http://berkshirehathaway.com even 1089009;1428192041;assbot;BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY INC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR6r3j ) 1089010;1428192074;Adlai;all three of those say "geeks signaling non-geeks to stay away", rather than "timecube dissertation" 1089011;1428192092;trinque;I agree thebitcoin.foundation needs more timecube. 1089012;1428192093;Adlai;at the end of the day, nothing that (a little|complete removal of) css can't fix 1089013;1428192157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00027559 = 1.8189 BTC [-] 1089014;1428192188;nubbins`;heh 1089015;1428192372;trinque;so here's another badly formed question; what kind of experience empties the HN poster's mind of its bad model? 1089016;1428192458;trinque;a chi power "fighter" getting beaten to a pulp by an MMA fighter, that sort of situation comes to mind 1089017;1428192929;ben_vulpes;oh man 1089018;1428192932;*;ben_vulpes goes off to find videos 1089019;1428193278;ben_vulpes;gentoo quest prelude 1089020;1428193309;ben_vulpes;"...ben_vulpes finally kicked off a kernel compile. 1089021;1428193316;ben_vulpes;~FIN DU PRELUDE~ 1089022;1428193318;ben_vulpes;" 1089023;1428193446;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7M4H0b62k << couple pops to the head and the guy's learned something whether he wanted to or not 1089024;1428193447;assbot;Incredible fight between a Kiai master and a MMA fighter - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRapsB ) 1089025;1428193457;trinque;dunno about "incredible" there 1089026;1428193488;trinque;maybe incredible that he thought his spirit-energy dancing was a thing 1089027;1428193504;trinque;so maybe hierarchial leadership is the most humane arrangement, as well as the most sensible 1089028;1428193545;trinque;someone to bop you on the head that maybe still wants you around, vs letting reality do it, which doesn't care if you survive the lesson 1089029;1428193554;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: from bcp: "--unix-lines \n Make sure that all copied files use Unix style line endings." << hyuu 1089030;1428193621;nubbins`;o.O 1089031;1428194231;mats;i just beat Stockfish 6 (chess engine) and im in shock 1089032;1428194249;mircea_popescu;wd. 1089033;1428194285;mircea_popescu;Adlai there's no such thing as "the reality of a society" 1089034;1428194293;BingoBoingo;mats: Well done 1089035;1428194300;mircea_popescu;yes, he's in touch with the *fashions* of his society. 1089036;1428194306;mircea_popescu;this is about as stupid and sterile as it sounds. 1089037;1428194402;BingoBoingo;mats: How much power and time did you allow it? 1089038;1428194643;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089010 interesting. 1089039;1428194643;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 00:01:14; Adlai: all three of those say "geeks signaling non-geeks to stay away", rather than "timecube dissertation" 1089040;1428194676;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089015 << models are not optional and people can't generally be helped. 1089041;1428194676;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 00:06:12; trinque: so here's another badly formed question; what kind of experience empties the HN poster's mind of its bad model? 1089042;1428194701;mircea_popescu;if you actually love him you can try slavery, but this works exclusively on the thin set of people who understand deeply they suck 1089043;1428194705;mircea_popescu;which are mostly women anyway. 1089044;1428195031;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089023 << lmao wtf is this bs. 1089045;1428195031;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 00:24:06; trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7M4H0b62k << couple pops to the head and the guy's learned something whether he wanted to or not 1089046;1428195111;mircea_popescu;but speaking of this, i recall the lulzfest of the "consensus" in the 50s to 90s about how you know, striking is the way to go. 1089047;1428195136;mircea_popescu;then chokes showed up and for a good decade people were all "no dude, there is a shaolin monk somewhere that can hit your spirit!!11" 1089048;1428195146;trinque;lol 1089049;1428195156;trinque;the best part of that vid is watching the students dance around as if hit 1089050;1428195160;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1089051;1428195169;mircea_popescu;practically speaking, vc. 1089052;1428195175;mats;BingoBoingo: ~12000 kn/s, 30s time control 1089053;1428195274;BingoBoingo;mats: cool 1089054;1428195653;mats;pretty sure i had cosmic aid. this is my first win in over a hundred attempts 1089055;1428195704;ben_vulpes;eh, statistics at that number. 1089056;1428196189;BingoBoingo;I'd really like to see stockfish running on its maximally supported hardware 1089057;1428196620;BingoBoingo;128 cores, 1 TB of ram for the transposition table... 1089058;1428197031;mats;my sibling recommended i seek counseling because of my "obsession with beating chess computers and the end of the world" 1089059;1428197146;decimation;mircea_popescu: re: libnss < I think it has its roots in solaris 1089060;1428197179;decimation;it kinda makes sense in its own retarded way - say you want to use sun's 'nis' rather than dns for name resolution 1089061;1428197184;decimation;or some combination of the above 1089062;1428197219;decimation;but I can try to do some digging 1089063;1428199166;decimation;re: democracy < http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html < Mike Munger has an alternate approach to conclusion that democracy is fucked 1089064;1428199168;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1awqu61 ) 1089065;1428199222;decimation;"o place is. No place that survives is majoritarian. That's what is striking, is, all countries that survive have what are in effect ways of controlling this problem. And so the insight that comes from this is, you can explain what look like odd institutions because--no one may have understood it. This is a very Hayekian point--no one may have understood that they are getting stability from this. They are getting a determinate choice. 1089066;1428199224;decimation; Now, it may be arbitrary. But they are getting what looks like a determinate choice because the alternative is chaos." 1089067;1428199513;mircea_popescu;decimation so if i want to use nis i compile it. 1089068;1428199575;mircea_popescu;mats seems reasonable. 1089069;1428199592;mircea_popescu;i dunno who sane still plays chess. might as well "play" hanoi towers, it's closer to compulsion than anything. 1089070;1428199689;mats;well. #b-a gets to share credit for the latter. 1089071;1428199811;mats;(the end of the world) 1089072;1428199812;mircea_popescu;world ain't ending tho. 1089073;1428199815;Adlai;iirc it was norvig who called sudoku "a ddos attack on the human intellect", although it may be more like a pack of hyenas preying on the stragglers 1089074;1428199838;Adlai;whereas chess... now that is a ddos attack on all levels of human intellect 1089075;1428199842;mircea_popescu;which one is sudoku ? theone that is taking over the idiots that used to do crossword puzzles ? 1089076;1428199879;Adlai;it's latin squares translated to toki pona 1089077;1428199904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00027628 = 1.2709 BTC [+] 1089078;1428199913;mircea_popescu;heh. speaking of norvig : http://www.norvig.com/Gettysburg/sld001.htm 1089079;1428199914;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C35qK9 ) 1089080;1428200116;mircea_popescu;http://feminist-fucktoy.tumblr.com/post/115209428580/oh-my-god-im-so-sorry-i-indeed-am-on-my-mobile 1089081;1428200117;assbot;Yes, feminists can be fucktoys too! ... ( http://bit.ly/1awsVpp ) 1089082;1428200117;mircea_popescu;heh 1089083;1428200328;BingoBoingo;Eh, chess is an entertainment like any other now that the machines won 1089084;1428200787;mircea_popescu;well sure. 1089085;1428200791;mircea_popescu;then you don't really care if you win 1089086;1428200853;BingoBoingo;Right. 1089087;1428200884;BingoBoingo;It's freeing. Allows for experimenting with more interesting styles of play. 1089088;1428202496;decimation;it is apparently possible to create a static glibc 1089089;1428202518;decimation;I'm not sure if it completely solves the nss issue though 1089090;1428202583;mircea_popescu;easy enough to try no ? recipe published. 1089091;1428202649;nubbins`;so i used BCP to strip out all of the boost shit that's not needed for bitcoind 1089092;1428202664;nubbins`;got up to this point: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=E8S0bNRy 1089093;1428202665;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRzDaw ) 1089094;1428202691;nubbins`;this is cross-compiling for pogo 1089095;1428202901;mircea_popescu;seems libcrypto's broken ? 1089096;1428203000;mircea_popescu;do you have libcrypto.so ? 1089097;1428203259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30003 @ 0.00027049 = 8.1155 BTC [-] {2} 1089098;1428203602;nubbins`;.so would be the shared lib, .a is static -- looks like libcrypto.a is complaining 1089099;1428203609;nubbins`; /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror' 1089100;1428203631;nubbins`;anyway this is farther than before. actually cleared out an enormous amount of boost libs 1089101;1428203717;nubbins`;if you get bcp compiled, you can just do the following to spit out a custom subset of boost, tailored for your project: 1089102;1428203818;nubbins`;./bcp --scan --boost=~/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/boost_1_52_0 ~/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src/*.cpp ~/dev/myboost/ 1089103;1428203832;nubbins`;no sense compiling e.g. a ton of boost python libs 1089104;1428203920;nubbins`;bcp is included in the boost download, cd $BOOST_ROOT; ./bootstrap.sh; ./bjam tools/bcp 1089105;1428203956;nubbins`;executable is in dist/bin 1089106;1428204048;mircea_popescu;right. 1089107;1428205070;nubbins`;groan/facepalm 1089108;1428205091;nubbins`;undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror' <<< dlerror returns last DYNAMIC LINKING ERROR 1089109;1428205417;mircea_popescu;heh 1089110;1428206006;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_modem 1089111;1428206067;ascii_modem;anyone read the mem stats? 1089112;1428206089;ascii_modem;surreal moment. 1089113;1428206190;ascii_modem;ben_vulpes: congrats re: gentoo 1089114;1428206248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11820 @ 0.00027 = 3.1914 BTC [-] 1089115;1428206259;ascii_modem;be aware that, like the rest of opensourcedom, it is in a fairly advanced state of ... declapse (tm) 1089116;1428206293;ascii_modem;(decay that inevitably leads to collapse) 1089117;1428206313;nubbins`;sounds better than collay 1089118;1428206334;ascii_modem;colline. 1089119;1428206356;nubbins`;incrementally closer to portatronic pogotron. it's now complaining about libcrypto referencing a libdl component 1089120;1428206370;ascii_modem;libdl?!!!!! 1089121;1428206374;nubbins`;yeah. 1089122;1428206377;nubbins`;which leads me to believe the openssl compile might need to be looked at. 1089123;1428206386;ascii_modem;you know what libdl is 1089124;1428206389;nubbins`;yep. 1089125;1428206410;nubbins`;and it's BANANAS TOWN that it's popping up here 1089126;1428206521;ascii_modem;here's a perverse idea 1089127;1428206534;nubbins`;dynamically link all the things? 1089128;1428206535;ascii_modem;openwatcom/linux. 1089129;1428206573;nubbins`;eeeeh 1089130;1428206587;ascii_modem;it exists. beloved classic compiler used by almost all msdos games outfits in '90s 1089131;1428206616;ascii_modem;opensourced about a decade ago 1089132;1428206629;ascii_modem;mostly frozen in time. 1089133;1428206641;ascii_modem;betcha it staticlinks... 1089134;1428206684;nubbins`; /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror' 1089135;1428206721;nubbins`;well. some context: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=E8S0bNRy 1089136;1428206722;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMNX8q ) 1089137;1428206738;ascii_modem;and before mircea_popescu asks - no i dont have rigorous proof of equivalence of watcom to gcc 1089138;1428206772;ascii_modem;Or! of his gcc to mine to yours to ... rms's ! 1089139;1428206798;nubbins`;rmscc 1089140;1428206823;ascii_modem;eventually we -will- find that the whole tower was mortarred together with old snot. 1089141;1428206877;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg10985645#msg10985645 1089142;1428206878;assbot;[2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfAO03 ) 1089143;1428206906;nubbins`;"He did post it. Not only was he banned from this forum that day (he unbanned himself with an exploit), but ALL of the videos on his youtube were reported and removed for copyright infringement, including the ones showing detail work because there was music playing on the radio in the background. In short he already went out of his way to prove his innocence to a bunch of stalker idiots here just to have his accounts shut down and was tired 1089144;1428206906;nubbins`; of playing games. Use your own eyeballs/brain instead of listening to the mob of neckbeards who harassed/negged him. " 1089145;1428206953;nubbins`;he unbanned himself with an exploit :0 1089146;1428206967;ascii_modem;wut 1089147;1428207059;nubbins`;i think there's something in the forum's water supply 1089148;1428207090;nubbins`;this is the $10mn/year master carver he's talking about, that's using 0day exploits to unban himself from the forum 1089149;1428207133;nubbins`;so that he may deliver his piece de resistance: a 500btc scavenger hunt that can only be solved by purchasing all of his old laser-engraved coins from the various sock accounts that "bought" them 1089150;1428207146;nubbins`;it's like the usms thing but on the forum 1089151;1428207162;ascii_modem;as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman 1089152;1428207195;nubbins`;oh, sorry, 5000 btc. 1089153;1428207217;ascii_modem;why not 50000? 1089154;1428207221;nubbins`;not sure. 1089155;1428207229;nubbins`;he says he buried it in a capsule somewhere 1089156;1428207245;ascii_modem;how do these folks decide how many zeroes 1089157;1428207250;nubbins`;oh, wait, it was a thousand "bronze bitcoins" or smth with 5btc on each 1089158;1428207257;nubbins`;i think they have zero dice 1089159;1428207263;nubbins`;roll a few, count the naughts 1089160;1428207273;ascii_modem;star product concept 1089161;1428207277;nubbins`;aughts? 1089162;1428207280;ascii_modem;handcarveit 1089163;1428207282;nubbins`;goose eggs 1089164;1428207311;nubbins`;"Not only was he banned from this forum that day (he unbanned himself with an exploit)" 1089165;1428207317;nubbins`;ah, goodness 1089166;1428207370;ascii_modem;did anyone ever actually buy from this nitwit ? 1089167;1428207439;decimation;ascii_modem: I thought we went over the libdl/openssl thing 1089168;1428207443;nubbins`;from what i can figure, he buys accounts 1089169;1428207454;nubbins`;and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins 1089170;1428207461;nubbins`;with the exception of one or two rubes 1089171;1428207465;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049840 1089172;1428207465;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 04:37:31; decimation: mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso' 1089173;1428207476;nubbins`;ohhhhhh 1089174;1428207478;nubbins`;nice 1089175;1428207484;nubbins`;wait, hold on 1089176;1428207485;decimation;I thought he put that in the script 1089177;1428207494;ascii_modem;did anyone try this? i forget 1089178;1428207503;decimation;I did, on my own 1089179;1428207510;ascii_modem;works? 1089180;1428207517;nubbins`;sorry 1089181;1428207524;decimation;well, it compiled anyway 1089182;1428207524;nubbins`;it's in 0.5.3.1 auto.sh, not portatronic 1089183;1428207526;nubbins`;one sec 1089184;1428207530;decimation;I didn't run it to full sync 1089185;1428207732;nubbins`;lel the roomie and his friend are watching "death of a fuckin salesman" 1089186;1428207841;decimation;!up ascii_modem 1089187;1428207846;ascii_modem;when will we read 'death of a sp4mz0r' ? 1089188;1428207862;nubbins`;glengarry glen spam 1089189;1428207888;nubbins`;the shouting is starting to get really good now 1089190;1428207893;decimation;ascii_modem: did you see the earlier note about glibc compiled statically 1089191;1428207918;ascii_modem;decimation: ? 1089192;1428207947;decimation;well, redhat provides a static libc 1089193;1428207956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15319 @ 0.00027266 = 4.1769 BTC [+] 1089194;1428207956;decimation;the libnss symbols are present therein 1089195;1428207972;nubbins`;!up AusBitBank 1089196;1428208015;ascii_modem;if i can't replicate it with my existing toolchain - it doesnt exist 1089197;1428208152;decimation;ah you are using uclibc for pogo 1089198;1428208168;nubbins`;i am 1089199;1428208177;ascii_modem;same 1089200;1428208194;nubbins`;go small or go to the mall 1089201;1428208295;decimation;well, the redhat glibc static build is pretty much just building glibc with -static 1089202;1428208432;nubbins`;ok, so the libdl/DSO thing is gone 1089203;1428208433;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KqcWDAs1 1089204;1428208434;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMPhIz ) 1089205;1428208490;decimation;ok from uclibc docs/Glibc_vs_uClibc_Differences.txt 1089206;1428208492;decimation;6) uClibc does not support NSS (/lib/libnss_*), which allows glibc to easily support various methods of authentication and DNS resolution. uClibc only supports flat password files and shadow password files for storing authentication information. If you need something more complex than this, you can compile and install pam. 1089207;1428208501;decimation;so this is not an issue for pogo anyway 1089208;1428208560;ascii_modem;this invites the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again. 1089209;1428208565;decimation;indeed 1089210;1428208576;decimation;all the more reason to use embedded buildroot/minimal distro 1089211;1428208601;nubbins`;+1 1089212;1428208601;decimation;the amount of bloat in glibc is quite shocking 1089213;1428208622;decimation;I mostly blame redhat 1089214;1428208632;decimation;they want to turn linux into winblows 1089215;1428208669;nubbins`;who doesn't 1089216;1428208708;nubbins`;meanwhile windows wants to turn itself into a bunch of sheets of coloured construction paper laid out on a blue tarp 1089217;1428208799;decimation;http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/how-red-hat-killed-its-core-productand-became-a-billion-dollar-business/ < ""We never ever go into a customer and say, 'There's an application that's not supported on RHEL," Cormier said. "If it's supported on Windows, it's supported on RHEL."" 1089218;1428208801;assbot;How Red Hat killed its core product—and became a billion-dollar business | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVabMr ) 1089219;1428208886;decimation;^ what he means, specifically, is that you can enslave your rhel machine to a winblows 'kerberos/ldap' server 1089220;1428208900;decimation;which gives us glibc turdlets 1089221;1428209070;*;Adlai never understood why nobody wrote a tree-shaking compiler 1089222;1428209096;ascii_modem;^ 1089223;1428209146;decimation;ascii_modem: suddenly talk about lisp machines seems cool 1089224;1428209149;ascii_modem;one reason is that it is damnably hard for c/cpp 1089225;1428209191;decimation;there's this thing http://www.absint.com/compcert/index.htm 1089226;1428209191;assbot;CompCert ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMPUl7 ) 1089227;1428209192;Adlai;sure, but it's not like this is the first time people have wanted to use minimal functionality from existing libraries 1089228;1428209219;decimation;^ I tried to use it once, immediately puked when it encountered system libraries 1089229;1428209265;ascii_modem;safety-critical c, l0l!! 1089230;1428209325;decimation;don't laugh ascii, it's apparently industry standard 1089231;1428209377;ascii_modem;the car-with-stuck-accelerator industry? 1089232;1428209392;decimation;aye that's what I'm thinking of 1089233;1428209406;ascii_modem;or the plane-falls-like-brick one 1089234;1428209428;decimation;it's in the logs somewhere. point is, there's a whole cottage industry around trying to 'support' C for missions that matter 1089235;1428209502;decimation;the lite version for interested folks http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences < " 1089236;1428209504;assbot;Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVb6MK ) 1089237;1428209504;decimation;Barr's ultimate conclusions were that: Toyota’s electronic throttle control system (ETCS) source code is of unreasonable quality. Toyota’s source code is defective and contains bugs, including bugs that can cause unintended acceleration (UA). Code-quality metrics predict presence of additional bugs. Toyota’s fail safes are defective and inadequate (referring to them as a “house of cards” safety architecture). 1089238;1428209505;decimation; Misbehaviors of Toyota’s ETCS are a cause of UA. " 1089239;1428209551;decimation;"Although the investigation focused almost entirely on software, there is at least one HW factor: Toyota claimed the 2005 Camry's main CPU had error detecting and correcting (EDAC) RAM. It didn't. EDAC, or at least parity RAM, is relatively easy and low-cost insurance for safety-critical systems." 1089240;1428209555;decimation;lol 1089241;1428209595;decimation;one wonders how much of our lives depend directly on such hard and soft turdware 1089242;1428209688;decimation;!up ascii_modem 1089243;1428209710;ascii_modem;as much as we let. 1089244;1428209752;decimation;rms was right about this kind of stuff 1089245;1428209766;decimation;if 'we' let vendors hide their software, they will produce turds 1089246;1428209780;ascii_modem;it will happen until hammurabic punishment is reintroduced. 1089247;1428209786;Adlai;something like compcert doesn't help when the libraries have mounds of garbage code, even if it "works," you just get mounds of garbage object code 1089248;1428209825;decimation;Adlai: yeah I don't think it will even let you link with any modern open source standard libraries 1089249;1428209863;ascii_modem;fits-in-head is the only answer. though it goes well with a balanced diet of public impalements for wreckerz 1089250;1428209935;ascii_modem;fitted non-ecc ram in a car? enjoy being used as living crash dummy in next test 1089251;1428209969;decimation;at least toyota got to pocket $0.50! 1089252;1428210032;ascii_modem;some berkshire 'wriggleys' is laughing all the way to the bank 1089253;1428210049;ascii_modem;but it is important to remember -why- 1089254;1428210075;ascii_modem;it is -not!- because the non-ecc chip is cheaper 1089255;1428210105;ascii_modem;but because the unreflective imbecile who signed off on it is. 1089256;1428210131;decimation;^ should be sat upon stake 1089257;1428210145;ascii_modem;cheaper than that endangered animal, the actual engineer... 1089258;1428210184;decimation;somewhere there was a sweatshop where some asian person was committing code to this device 1089259;1428210219;decimation;and that person either *knew* what he was doing or was pathologically ignorant 1089260;1428210236;ascii_modem;quite possibly did not even know, for toyota or toy car 1089261;1428210270;ascii_modem;but someone -decided- to use the idiot coolie 1089262;1428210272;decimation;true. it's also possible that the code was acquired from elsewhere, written for some other purpose, and was 'merit-washed' into the ecm module 1089263;1428210293;ascii_modem;^ not uncommon 1089264;1428210335;decimation;not uncommon at all - for instance, openssl 1089265;1428210396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00027266 = 2.6175 BTC [+] 1089266;1428212269;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089113 << ftr, i've given up on it. imo gentoo is too retarded to be usable. 1089267;1428212269;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 03:56:30; ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: congrats re: gentoo 1089268;1428212435;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089150 << lol. 1089269;1428212435;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:26; nubbins`: it's like the usms thing but on the forum 1089270;1428212485;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089151 << quite exactly that, actually. 1089271;1428212485;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:42; ascii_modem: as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman 1089272;1428212541;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089169 << i still want to know what was in for blazedout to shill for him. 1089273;1428212541;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins 1089274;1428212602;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089192 << maybe i'm from the wrong asylum, but what exactly does "provide a static X" mean ? 1089275;1428212602;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 04:25:47; decimation: well, redhat provides a static libc 1089276;1428212618;mircea_popescu;ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ? 1089277;1428212627;mircea_popescu;i want it from nsa directly. what is this. 1089278;1428212714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27088 @ 0.00027215 = 7.372 BTC [-] 1089279;1428212714;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089208 << apparently we were not the only ones to notice glibc got raped. 1089280;1428212714;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 04:36:00; ascii_modem: this invites the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again. 1089281;1428212761;ben_vulpes;i have a gentoo that comes up as expected - but sans eth0, and damned if i can figure out why. 1089282;1428212776;ben_vulpes;anyways, that's enough for one day. 1089283;1428212822;ben_vulpes;(*damned* frustrating, that networking thing) 1089284;1428212833;ben_vulpes;(live cd connects through virtualization layer just happily 1089285;1428212868;ben_vulpes;but compiled kernel and gentoo - simply refuses. indubitably attributable to operator error.) 1089286;1428212886;trinque;ben_vulpes: gentoo has this dumb scheme where you have to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0 1089287;1428212888;trinque;then start the symlink 1089288;1428212891;trinque;because magic is awesome 1089289;1428212924;trinque;then there's of course having the right kernel module going 1089290;1428212963;ben_vulpes;i-i'm scared, t-trinque 1089291;1428213030;mircea_popescu;i'm fucking depressed. 1089292;1428213056;ben_vulpes;waI/ 1089293;1428213067;ben_vulpes;? 1089294;1428213122;ben_vulpes;pressed shitboard all the way down? 1089295;1428213125;mircea_popescu;because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running. 1089296;1428213258;mats;and here i thought mp was going to show a moment of vulnerability 1089297;1428213267;trinque;someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer 1089298;1428213291;trinque;can't have that because it wouldn't be gentoo! 1089299;1428213292;trinque;yes it would 1089300;1428213299;mircea_popescu;"someone could solve this" 1089301;1428213323;mircea_popescu;sure, someone could. the moment someone does you get ubuntu - two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and then insta-poettering. 1089302;1428213327;mircea_popescu;ubuntu is practically 10.04 1089303;1428213356;trinque;hm, how do you resolve it? 1089304;1428213387;trinque;either it's easy to install and becomes the shit-smeared playground, or it's pulling teeth and marginally less shit-smeared, it seems 1089305;1428213417;mircea_popescu;how. spiked club in one hand, plank-with-nail in another hand. 1089306;1428213434;mircea_popescu;stepping on transvestite cocks and hispster beards, in a swamp of hurt feelings. 1089307;1428213440;trinque;haha, the plank with nail is unstoppable 1089308;1428213457;trinque;sounds like a hell of a fun time 1089309;1428213477;mircea_popescu;sadly intelligent people are coditioned to fear hurting idiots, instead of enjoying it. 1089310;1428213570;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's the most objectionable thing ever, all this list of gotchas. 1089311;1428213580;mircea_popescu;trying to install gentoo is like taking an exam for public servancy 1089312;1428213599;mircea_popescu;"you mean to tell me you wrote down form f.45.b instead of 4.5.fb ?!?!?! 1089313;1428213637;mircea_popescu;if i wanted to live like that i'd have stayed in academia." 1089314;1428213670;trinque;oh god the mundane knowledge you must have to operate it 1089315;1428213677;trinque;I don't feel smarter doing this 1089316;1428213686;mircea_popescu;that'd be the problem. 1089317;1428214117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13329 @ 0.00027215 = 3.6275 BTC [-] 1089318;1428214701;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1089319;1428214705;gribble;Current Blocks: 350791 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 2008 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 78486415641.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 58.73032 1089320;1428215168;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084918 << UDEREF is about best-effort userland/kernel separation for exploit mitigation, not limiting the capability of the kernel 1089321;1428215168;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 20:59:21; asciilifeform: mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles. 1089322;1428215348;mats;quoth the spender: "the problem i set out to solve with UDEREF was that many kernel bugs can be exploited (at all or more reliably) due to the fact that on i386 most OSs don't separate the userland virtual address space from that of the kernel. this in turn means that whenever userland can make the kernel (unexpectedly) dereference a userland controlled 1089323;1428215348;mats;pointer, userland can control the data (and sometimes, control) flow of the kernel by virtue of providing the attack data in its own userland address range as it's fully visible in the kernel's virtual address space as well" 1089324;1428215450;mats;https://grsecurity.net/~spender/uderef.txt << for the logs 1089325;1428215451;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6g33I ) 1089326;1428222132;mircea_popescu;im starting to realise the "bitcoin atm" thing is actually just a sort of "freedom toaster" v2.0 1089327;1428222840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8764 @ 0.00027599 = 2.4188 BTC [+] 1089328;1428222957;BingoBoingo;Wait, you had other impression of it? 1089329;1428223039;mircea_popescu;i originally imagined it's a misguided attempt to make money, 1089330;1428223053;mircea_popescu;rather than a ludicrous attempt to be hipsterashionable. 1089331;1428223193;BingoBoingo;Will it's an attempt to make some money for the people selling the boxes, but mostly it's a piece of conference swag some naive souls tried to introduce into the real world. 1089332;1428223231;mircea_popescu;aha 1089333;1428223421;BingoBoingo;Setup a freedom toaster at a conference, some idiots are going to put one up in a space they have access to thinking it will attact passerby outside the conference distortion swirl, same with BTC ATMs 1089334;1428223516;mircea_popescu;it's a bizarre sort of museum-ification of life. 1089335;1428224368;BingoBoingo;There's probably some subset of compulsive behavior spectrum that desperately wants whatever they are doing to actual be museum'ing 1089336;1428226438;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before August 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1131/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.65237 BTC. Current weight: 86,479. 1089337;1428226440;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.265139 BTC. Current weight: 92,827. 1089338;1428227476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10279 @ 0.00028224 = 2.9011 BTC [+] 1089339;1428227964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00028229 = 1.9478 BTC [+] {2} 1089340;1428230587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00028277 = 7.1399 BTC [+] {2} 1089341;1428231197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00028334 = 3.1876 BTC [+] {2} 1089342;1428232051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00027671 = 9.2698 BTC [-] {4} 1089343;1428232683;cazalla;danielpbarron, ha check it out, that freebsdgirl ya had it out with on twitter got swatted http://blog.randi.io/2015/04/03/swated/ 1089344;1428232683;assbot;Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed | randi.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1xR2SmO ) 1089345;1428240103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00027841 = 3.0486 BTC [+] {2} 1089346;1428240487;nubbins`;oh jeez so many eaten messages 1089347;1428240492;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089169 << i still want to know what was in for blazedout to shill for him. <<< i still have NFI 1089348;1428240492;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins 1089349;1428240495;nubbins`;<+trinque> ben_vulpes: gentoo has this dumb scheme where you have to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0 <<< +1 1089350;1428240498;nubbins`;ben_vulpes my eth0 is named enp0s3 in gentoo by default 1089351;1428240501;nubbins`;try ifconfig to see if yours is same 1089352;1428240794;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/olivierjanss/status/584496773592383488 1089353;1428240795;assbot;Bitcoin Foundation's Corporate Counsel (Greg Egan) just resigned. 1089354;1428240799;nubbins`;i like this guy 1089355;1428240882;nubbins`;okay, this is good:http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KKWE8Spe 1089356;1428240905;nubbins`;now it's happening when i try to (re-)compile bdb rather than when i try to compile bitcoind 1089357;1428241367;nubbins`;<+cazalla> danielpbarron, ha check it out, that freebsdgirl ya had it out with on twitter got swatted <<< this imo is explicit admission by her enemies that they have no external genitalia 1089358;1428241738;nubbins`;!up ascii_modem 1089359;1428241933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00028338 = 3.4147 BTC [+] {2} 1089360;1428241939;nubbins`;morn 1089361;1428242338;punkman;http://blog.randi.io/2015/04/03/swated/ << couple cops showing up and being polite doesn't sound like "SWATed" 1089362;1428242339;assbot;Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed | randi.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1a4Cknf ) 1089363;1428242347;ascii_modem;mega-log 1089364;1428242502;ascii_modem;mircea_popescu: gentoo is not so much a 'usable linux' as a -machine for building a usable linux-. sorta like 'buildroot'. would you also say that, e.g., a lathe - is 'unusable' ? 1089365;1428242609;mircea_popescu;for me, yes 1089366;1428242614;mircea_popescu;a lathe is the essence of unusable. 1089367;1428242639;ascii_modem;me, i find all those -other- distros, the ones that insist on littering my disk with all those bins i didn't ask for and that werent built in my home - unusable 1089368;1428242661;mircea_popescu;these are completely separate problems. 1089369;1428242675;ascii_modem;? 1089370;1428242679;mircea_popescu;so i find prisses unusable and you find crosseyed women unusable. so ? 1089371;1428242707;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> a lathe is the essence of unusable. <<< o.O i bet you have soft hands 1089372;1428242717;mircea_popescu;very. and feet. 1089373;1428242720;nubbins`;heh 1089374;1428242739;nubbins`;if you want to complete the picture, tell me your handshake is limp and clammy 1089375;1428242745;mircea_popescu;nop. 1089376;1428242747;nubbins`;;/ 1089377;1428242752;mircea_popescu;again, entirely separate propblems, these. 1089378;1428242753;nubbins`;a study in poopsites 1089379;1428242756;nubbins`;also opposites. 1089380;1428242758;nubbins`;:( 1089381;1428242762;mircea_popescu;lol 1089382;1428242789;ascii_modem;i find it odd that mircea_popescu does not handle linux in same way as lathe or - hell - dental work 1089383;1428242805;mircea_popescu;i can. ocasionally i choose not to. 1089384;1428243098;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089295 << ftr a new gentoo box usually takes me at least a week - if on sane hardware 1089385;1428243098;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 05:52:05; mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running. 1089386;1428243137;mircea_popescu;and you do not see a problem with this ? 1089387;1428243150;mircea_popescu;i didn't say it should take YOU an hour. i said it should take me an hour. 1089388;1428243196;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089297 << lol installer?!! as in copying other folks' bins over? ick 1089389;1428243196;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 05:54:27; trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer 1089390;1428243221;mircea_popescu;and i'm not counting whatever it takes to compile. just, it is not sane to expect me to go through laundry lists for minute after minute after minute. 1089391;1428243293;ascii_modem;that part takes me 1h at most. it is deliberately manual, like the sub reactors, or therealbitcoin 1089392;1428243312;mircea_popescu;yeah well... 1089393;1428243315;ascii_modem;and done once 1089394;1428243412;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089301 << exactly 1089395;1428243413;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 05:55:23; mircea_popescu: sure, someone could. the moment someone does you get ubuntu - two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and then insta-poettering. 1089396;1428243443;mircea_popescu;what was bitcoind using that ended up pulling libnss via glibc ? gethostbyaddr() was it ? 1089397;1428243452;ascii_modem;no royal road, people 1089398;1428243460;mircea_popescu;BULL! 1089399;1428243483;ascii_modem;mircea_popescu: dns in general , aha 1089400;1428243572;nubbins`;why did i not have this issue 1089401;1428243618;nubbins`;!up ascii_modem 1089402;1428243636;ascii_modem;nubbins': which issue 1089403;1428243681;nubbins`;w/e the libnss thing is. details escape me now. 1089404;1428243690;*;nubbins` is buried under mountain of monkeys and footballs 1089405;1428243700;ascii_modem;you did, no ? 1089406;1428243716;ascii_modem;until killed the dns crap 1089407;1428243767;nubbins`;oh right, yeah, the dns-snip patch killed that 1089408;1428243819;ascii_modem;though i'm pretty sure it left a dns turd in somewhere - so a bit odd, this 1089409;1428243822;nubbins`;hmmmmmmm, cross-toolchain just spit out a static binary. 1089410;1428243837;*;nubbins` scrambles to xfer to pogo 1089411;1428243846;ascii_modem;nubbins': run on pogotron 1089412;1428243858;ascii_modem;if runs - genuinely static 1089413;1428243864;nubbins`;nod 1089414;1428243870;nubbins`;ldd says so, but proof is in pudding 1089415;1428243872;ascii_modem;the -only- real test 1089416;1428243903;nubbins`;gotta set atftp 1089417;1428244056;ascii_modem;i still want to know why gentoo has the only honest (re: stdint) gcc ! 1089418;1428244177;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089276 < I apologize for failing to convey my meaning well. I meant that redhat 'provides' this as a source package, and therefore one could examine exactly how they did it - not to swallow the binary without inspection. Source is here > http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/enterprise/6Server/en/os/SRPMS/glibc-2.12-1.149.el6_6.5.src.rpm 1089419;1428244177;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 05:43:38; mircea_popescu: ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ? 1089420;1428244182;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089320 << fuck 'mitigation' and the surrender built into the word. i insist on -extirpation- -- with hot iron 1089421;1428244182;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 06:26:08; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084918 << UDEREF is about best-effort userland/kernel separation for exploit mitigation, not limiting the capability of the kernel 1089422;1428244228;ascii_modem;decimation: the source rpm still needs rathead to build 1089423;1428244230;nubbins`;ugh c'mon tftp 1089424;1428244256;nubbins`; /home/ftp # tftp 192.168.2.23 just spits out usage instructions 1089425;1428244367;ascii_modem;nubbins': use atftpd 1089426;1428244379;decimation;well, it does need rpmbuild at least, it would probably be difficult to work without redhat 1089427;1428244392;decimation;Although if I recall a version of rpmbuild was available on gentoo 1089428;1428244471;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089403 < because uclibc doesn't even support nss 1089429;1428244471;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 14:21:21; nubbins`: w/e the libnss thing is. details escape me now. 1089430;1428244482;nubbins`;ascii_modem actually it was the client side that baffled me, heh. 1089431;1428244485;nubbins`;check it OUT: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CnwtSvuQ 1089432;1428244486;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y7eTFk ) 1089433;1428244491;decimation;although the question of what it does with gethostbyaddr() is a good one 1089434;1428244518;nubbins`;no storage attached at all, so i can't tell if it, y'know, does anything 1089435;1428244523;nubbins`;but i think this is sufficient proof, yes? 1089436;1428244530;decimation;mostly, yes 1089437;1428244557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39378 @ 0.00027217 = 10.7175 BTC [-] {2} 1089438;1428244564;nubbins`;so that's static bitcoind, running on pogotron, built with portatronic toolchain. 1089439;1428244571;mats;well ofc provably preventing the exploit is preferable. PaX like a custom Gentoo build, relying on the attacker not knowing it's there, and/or failing to react accordingly 1089440;1428244585;decimation;good job nubbins` 1089441;1428244693;mircea_popescu;decimation o i c. 1089442;1428244695;decimation;apparently uclibc has a dns client that opens /etc/resolv.conf itself, built into the code 1089443;1428244708;decimation;libc/inet/resolv.conf 1089444;1428244719;decimation;libc/inet/resolv.c 1089445;1428244756;mircea_popescu;yeah apparently uclibc is made specifically because of this/similar issues 1089446;1428244765;mircea_popescu;at least looks to me like something along those lines 1089447;1428244784;nubbins`;here's my auto.sh: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HxUfaTPT 1089448;1428244785;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y7fdDK ) 1089449;1428244804;nubbins`;please note the Boost section -- i'm using a custom subset of the full boost libs 1089450;1428244815;nubbins`;you'll need to use bcp (see logs) to trim out the fat and gristle 1089451;1428244829;nubbins`;otherwise your boost build will fail 1089452;1428244847;nubbins`;i'm gonna try this all from scratch once more just to verify 1089453;1428245227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11174 @ 0.00027 = 3.017 BTC [-] 1089454;1428245553;nubbins`;ok fwiw that auto.sh does have problems, i'll try to polish it later 1089455;1428245573;nubbins`;also the bcp stuff could totally be included in same, not sure if this is something people want 1089456;1428245579;nubbins`;or if they'd rather do it manually as needed 1089457;1428245596;nubbins`;but i don't think it's a *terrible* idea for our install script to only compile the parts of boost that we need 1089458;1428245625;mircea_popescu;epic shit nubsy 1089459;1428245634;nubbins`;imagine, i thought i left this life behind. 1089460;1428245638;mircea_popescu;pls to make a proper patch in full glory so people can benefit from fruits of your genius. 1089461;1428245653;nubbins`;yah 1089462;1428248582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19434 @ 0.00028388 = 5.5169 BTC [+] {2} 1089463;1428248643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10760 @ 0.00028767 = 3.0953 BTC [+] 1089464;1428249375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0002881 = 2.9098 BTC [+] 1089465;1428249985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00028699 = 4.3909 BTC [-] 1089466;1428252532;trinque;ascii_modem | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089297 << lol installer?!! as in copying other folks' bins over? ick << nah, just bash script that plonks you into a partition editor, then a list of architectures, then has you pick a stage, etc; script the scriptable parts of the manual, and leave everything that should be.. manual :D 1089467;1428252532;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 05:54:27; trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer 1089468;1428252658;trinque;I don't want decisions made for me; I want bricks laid for me. 1089469;1428254011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8523 @ 0.00027831 = 2.372 BTC [-] 1089470;1428254129;trinque;!up marteen 1089471;1428254555;nubbins`;has anyone besides me and alf attempted the portatronic buildroot? 1089472;1428254570;nubbins`;would be nice to get some people to test this patch when it's ready 1089473;1428257061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00027831 = 2.8527 BTC [-] 1089474;1428257109;ben_vulpes;i'm still making a gentoo 1089475;1428257111;ben_vulpes;running behind. 1089476;1428257125;ben_vulpes;but hory shit have i learned things about the linux shitpile 1089477;1428257167;Apocalyptic;^ only for that fact alone it's a good experience 1089478;1428258523;danielpbarron;height=313721 vs height=220810 1089479;1428258531;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1089480;1428259498;nubbins`;danielpbarron closer... 1089481;1428259543;nubbins`;darwin64: height=213002 1089482;1428260248;*;Bagels7 !s panama 1089483;1428260286;ben_vulpes;!s panama 1089484;1428260287;assbot;120 results for 'panama' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=panama 1089485;1428260293;ben_vulpes;hrm> 1089486;1428260416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00027699 = 5.9276 BTC [-] {3} 1089487;1428260815;danielpbarron;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/gentoo << just a starting point / copy pasted from gentoo wiki 1089488;1428261175;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: i have an enp0s3 as well, don't really know what to do to turn it into/use it as eth0 tho 1089489;1428261195;ben_vulpes;i'll probably eventually figure it out 1089490;1428261392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9888 @ 0.00027574 = 2.7265 BTC [-] 1089491;1428261393;nubbins`;um 1089492;1428261483;nubbins`;ben_vulpes https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg136717.html 1089493;1428261484;assbot;Re: [gentoo-user] VirtualBox guest eth0/enp0s3 problem ... ( http://bit.ly/1ayWPt5 ) 1089494;1428261584;Adlai;;;bc,diff 1089495;1428261584;gribble;Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command. 1089496;1428261600;Adlai;;;bc,stats 1089497;1428261604;gribble;Current Blocks: 350874 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1925 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 54249359325.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.71349 1089498;1428261633;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: are you using udev or eudev? 1089499;1428261819;nubbins`;i can't remember ;/ 1089500;1428262394;ben_vulpes;awww shit yee i have sshd into the gentoo box! 1089501;1428262399;ben_vulpes;ssh'd 1089502;1428262412;ben_vulpes;uh what next 1089503;1428262414;ben_vulpes;buildroot? 1089504;1428262415;ben_vulpes;buildroot. 1089505;1428262449;nubbins`;heh yeah 1089506;1428262472;nubbins`;follow http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html 1089507;1428262473;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yogaSI ) 1089508;1428262532;BingoBoingo;http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/why-did-my-fans-come-on 1089509;1428262533;assbot;why did my fans come on? ... ( http://bit.ly/1az02Zy ) 1089510;1428262573;nubbins`;also see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/thread.html last few posts 1089511;1428262573;assbot;The BTC-dev March 2015 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1az0cjE ) 1089512;1428262591;nubbins`;if you want to be able to build bitcoind with your buildroot toolchain, you'll have to add a few options to the config 1089513;1428262639;nubbins`;i did this by running make nconfig after make pogoplug_defconfig and adding them manually 1089514;1428262768;ben_vulpes;awe nuts 1089515;1428262777;ben_vulpes;me pogo's at the office 1089516;1428263252;ben_vulpes;mwell i'm off for a bit 1089517;1428263265;ben_vulpes;hafta upgrade from os x 10.9 to 10.10 to cut ios builds 1089518;1428263268;ben_vulpes;yay 1089519;1428263563;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089295 << OpenBSD is very easy to install, so long as you have hardware on which it is easy to install 1089520;1428263563;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 05:52:05; mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running. 1089521;1428263701;danielpbarron;can use xfce, chromium, gimp, etc.. 1089522;1428263712;danielpbarron;all in ports 1089523;1428263753;danielpbarron;if you're used to debian, OpenBSD isn't such a jarring experience 1089524;1428263832;danielpbarron;not that gentoo can't do those things, but the installer is actually somewhat automated 1089525;1428266394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9517 @ 0.00027574 = 2.6242 BTC [-] 1089526;1428267467;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/ti-89-bitcoin-diceware-tool-released/ << since scoop seems missing 1089527;1428267468;assbot;TI-89 Bitcoin Diceware Tool Released | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOW9Lp ) 1089528;1428267628;nubbins`;man for the life of me i can't reproduce these build steps 1089529;1428267630;nubbins`;wtf 1089530;1428272006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00028861 = 4.5889 BTC [+] {2} 1089531;1428272311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23623 @ 0.000289 = 6.827 BTC [+] 1089532;1428272922;nubbins`;anyway, the general idea is to use bcp to rip everything out of boost that doesn't belong there 1089533;1428272933;nubbins`;i think i'm maybe just ripping one or two things too many out of it 1089534;1428272960;nubbins`;mildly annoying that i've got a binary but can't reproduce the process 1089535;1428274263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.000289 = 1.7051 BTC [+] 1089536;1428274812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00028779 = 4.4176 BTC [-] 1089537;1428275117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00028779 = 2.806 BTC [-] 1089538;1428275579;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu got your msg but not his reply, it was keyed to you only 1089539;1428275580;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1089540;1428276581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00028808 = 4.3356 BTC [+] 1089541;1428276888;mats;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/04/business/powdered-alcohol-meets-resistance-in-us-before-it-even-comes-to-market.html 1089542;1428276891;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9aB02 ) 1089543;1428277514;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/1985/12/08/business/the-executive-computer.html 1089544;1428277515;assbot;THE EXECUTIVE COMPUTER - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9cBFC ) 1089545;1428277963;BingoBoingo;mats: "The packages, at 4 inches by 6 inches, are not easily concealed, he said. And because of the single-use packaging, he said, it would be easier to spike a punchbowl with a large bottle of rum." << I was telling people you wouldn't lose volume by powdering the stuff 1089546;1428278228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13869 @ 0.000289 = 4.0081 BTC [+] 1089547;1428278594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8291 @ 0.000289 = 2.3961 BTC [+] 1089548;1428278915;nubbins`;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9320989 1089549;1428278916;assbot;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2013/03/11http://bitcoinstats.com/... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9gYjP ) 1089550;1428278936;nubbins`;absent title: "the bitcoin protocol doesn't exist" 1089551;1428279265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4049 @ 0.00027367 = 1.1081 BTC [-] 1089552;1428279692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00027045 = 1.4199 BTC [-] 1089553;1428280361;mircea_popescu;lolk. 1089554;1428280546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26073 @ 0.00027067 = 7.0572 BTC [+] 1089555;1428280938;asciilifeform;^ anything from that link other than factual ? 1089556;1428280961;asciilifeform;lies by omission re: who broke, yes 1089557;1428280973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46711 @ 0.0002872 = 13.4154 BTC [+] {4} 1089558;1428281219;mircea_popescu;it's entirely untrue, and a poor attempt at trying to salvage some clout for the power rangers. 1089559;1428281241;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is in fact a very solid protocol, and it flows in an unbroken line from software pre 0.5.x and from block 1. 1089560;1428281266;mircea_popescu;pretense to the contrary is just that, pretense, readily explained by the desperation in usg quarters post their loss of their main asset in here. 1089561;1428281379;mircea_popescu;it is kind-of fascinating for me that they were actually this unprepared for gavin getting headshot. 1089562;1428281539;mircea_popescu;(you can trace Patrick McKenzie / starfighter if you feel like it0 1089563;1428281646;mircea_popescu;marginally amusing read, stuff like http://www.kalzumeus.com/2015/03/09/announcing-starfighter/ (grep for "Sounds like BS, right. I know. Im a generic web programmer (yay Ruby, meh JavaScript, boo low-level anything). The last time I played a CTF, written by my cofounders, they had me breaking into locks controlled by micro controllers which ran embedded assembly code.") 1089564;1428281648;assbot;Announcing Starfighter | Kalzumeus Software ... ( http://bit.ly/19WBys2 ) 1089565;1428281705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00030325 = 3.4116 BTC [+] 1089566;1428281792;mircea_popescu;up Birdman 1089567;1428281836;mircea_popescu;!up Birdman 1089568;1428281866;Birdman;[20:57] thoughts on the Chinese's AIIB? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-02/us-has-screwed-its-approach-chinas-aiib-former-us-secretary-state-blasts 1089569;1428281867;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19WC21j ) 1089570;1428281888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 386 @ 0.00284 = 1.0962 BTC [-] {2} 1089571;1428281894;Birdman;Apparently nations are falling head over heels to switch over 1089572;1428281925;mircea_popescu;this is not exactly new. was discussed here back in the lead-up to the cn-ru financial compact 1089573;1428281951;Birdman;Then I suppose I should read up on the logs, thanks. 1089574;1428281965;mircea_popescu;beijing accords or wtf they were called 1089575;1428281988;mircea_popescu;it was pretty clear at the time the ru "sanctions" were nailgun suicide. 1089576;1428282176;mircea_popescu;!up Rozal 1089577;1428282199;Rozal;thank you 1089578;1428282203;mircea_popescu;aha. 1089579;1428282276;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089391 << you know, you should fucking publish it. 1089580;1428282276;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 14:14:53; ascii_modem: that part takes me 1h at most. it is deliberately manual, like the sub reactors, or therealbitcoin 1089581;1428282293;mircea_popescu;so it's done once not just at level you, but at the whole wot level. 1089582;1428282351;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089468 << couldn't have said it better myself. 1089583;1428282351;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 16:50:58; trinque: I don't want decisions made for me; I want bricks laid for me. 1089584;1428282379;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089472 << ahh the excitement of the geek that laid an egg :D 1089585;1428282379;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 17:22:50; nubbins`: would be nice to get some people to test this patch when it's ready 1089586;1428282406;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089477 << exactly the right name for that comment lol 1089587;1428282406;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 18:06:07; Apocalyptic: ^ only for that fact alone it's a good experience 1089588;1428282437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4691 @ 0.00030769 = 1.4434 BTC [+] 1089589;1428282775;mircea_popescu;http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/making-security-sausage << pretty great read ftr. guy's likable. 1089590;1428282776;assbot;making security sausage ... ( http://bit.ly/1IiqrbO ) 1089591;1428283146;mircea_popescu;http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/analysis-of-d2i-X509-reuse << even names dogecoin, with correct usage in context. 1089592;1428283147;assbot;analysis of d2i_X509 reuse ... ( http://bit.ly/19WFcC9 ) 1089593;1428283190;nubbins`;bitcoinrpc.cpp is a big one 1089594;1428283230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00030598 = 1.9583 BTC [-] 1089595;1428283260;mircea_popescu;feel the need for silverware nubbins` ? 1089596;1428283291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00031364 = 1.3643 BTC [+] 1089597;1428283307;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089515 << a man with just one pogo is like the woman trying to get pregnant off a single spermatozoid. 1089598;1428283307;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 19:39:37; ben_vulpes: me pogo's at the office 1089599;1428283575;mircea_popescu;The likelihood of widespread Palcohol abuse particularly among underage consumers carries a real possibility of tragic consequences, Mr. Franchot said in a statement, which is why Im so pleased by the industrys unified response to protect the public from such a dangerous product. 1089600;1428283590;mircea_popescu;lawl. errything that's broken, in one sentence. 1089601;1428283739;mircea_popescu;re this entire "powdered alcohol" bs : why the fuck would i drink a galon of cyclodextrine slog for a quart of alcohol ? 1089602;1428283750;mircea_popescu;why not eat cotton imbibed in milk. 1089603;1428283840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55350 @ 0.00030496 = 16.8795 BTC [-] {2} 1089604;1428283921;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a6adfb6ada69f528204781e135fb3b8d/tumblr_nga4gxtFcR1qgv7t5o1_1280.jpg 1089605;1428283922;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19WGVY7 ) 1089606;1428284060;asciilifeform;'palcohol' << anyone remember when they banned the etoh antidote ? 1089607;1428284162;mircea_popescu;what was that ? 1089608;1428284187;*;asciilifeform digs for ancient yarchive entry 1089609;1428284622;mircea_popescu;http://mad0uleurexquise.tumblr.com/post/108802990037/trauma-is-complicated-after-a-couple-of-years-of << what an actual feminist actually sounds like. *like*. copying the form does not result in being a feminist. 1089610;1428284623;assbot; Trauma is complicated. After a couple of years of... — My Exquisite Pain ... ( http://bit.ly/19WIFAK ) 1089611;1428284676;mircea_popescu;the important part being that the pansy-ass ten year olds masquerading as adults have reclassified as "trauma" a large swath of life experiences that are exactly necessary for the woman. 1089612;1428284710;mircea_popescu;much like the same idiots have reclassified natural phenomena like wildfire as "bad", notwithstanding that coniferous trees will only open the seedpods if they get scorched. 1089613;1428284722;mircea_popescu;because they lived there forever, and are adapted to what there *means*. 1089614;1428284816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00030213 = 7.3871 BTC [-] 1089615;1428286150;TomServo;Ethereum wallet down to 486 BTC. 1089616;1428286230;asciilifeform;http://www.hydeparkmedia.com/fisher.html << vintage lol 1089617;1428286232;assbot;Hyde Park Media | Paul Fisher Space Pen ... ( http://bit.ly/19WMjKY ) 1089618;1428286247;asciilifeform;'With that he interrupted me and said, `Mr. Fisher, you as an individual have no inalienable rights. You live in a democracy subject to the will of the majority, and the will of the majority, through an act of Congress can deprive you of any right.'' 1089619;1428286627;mircea_popescu;lmao wut. 1089620;1428286736;mircea_popescu;"I don't remember that," Fisher says. "But the inmates did tell me they had never eaten so good until I arrived." 1089621;1428286741;mircea_popescu;tales from the early soviets. 1089622;1428286762;mircea_popescu;could be romania back when ceausescu was trying to play prague spring supporter just as well. 1089623;1428286766;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski 1089624;1428286778;pete_dushenski;o hello 1089625;1428286787;pete_dushenski;thx bb 1089626;1428286848;pete_dushenski;lol i was wondering when the last 5k was going to disappear from the 'ethereum wallet' 1089627;1428286946;pete_dushenski;aaand scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/05/yknow-that-post-industrial-service-economy-thing-ya-its-just-another-shitty-command-economy/ 1089628;1428286947;assbot;Y’know that post-industrial service economy thing ? Ya, it’s just another shitty command economy. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/19WNKsN ) 1089629;1428287145;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089526 << heh. yes. 1089630;1428287145;assbot;Logged on 05-04-2015 20:57:47; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/ti-89-bitcoin-diceware-tool-released/ << since scoop seems missing 1089631;1428287714;pete_dushenski;!s water 1089632;1428287715;assbot;995 results for 'water' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=water 1089633;1428287770;pete_dushenski;"The 25 percent cut in water consumption ordered by Gov. Jerry Brown raises fundamental questions about what life in California will be like in the years ahead, and even whether this state faces the prospect of people leaving for wetter climates" 1089634;1428287817;pete_dushenski;hey gavin, thirsty yet ? 1089635;1428288085;mircea_popescu;guy lives in mass. 1089636;1428288171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54395 @ 0.00028799 = 15.6652 BTC [-] {2} 1089637;1428288232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16505 @ 0.00029563 = 4.8794 BTC [+] {2} 1089638;1428288305;pete_dushenski;hm. my mistake 1089639;1428288334;pete_dushenski;fine, hearn then! 1089640;1428288370;mircea_popescu;i think hearn is one of the... how shall i put this. 1089641;1428288419;decimation;it would be handy to have a 'diceware' version for rsa keys 1089642;1428288465;decimation;^ re: ti-89 'diceware' tool 1089643;1428288573;mircea_popescu;well, perhaps an illustration is worth a billion words. here : http://mad0uleurexquise.tumblr.com/post/115182109582/allysins-treat-a-slut-how-she-deserves-to-be 1089644;1428288574;assbot; allysins: Treat a slut how she deserves to be... — My Exquisite Pain ... ( http://bit.ly/19WR1IG ) 1089645;1428288595;decimation;re: california > http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us/california-drought-tests-history-of-endless-growth.html?_r=0 < "“Mother Nature didn’t intend for 40 million people to live here,” said Kevin Starr, a historian at the University of Southern California who has written extensively about this state. “This is literally a culture that since the 1880s has progressively invented, invented and reinvented itself. At what point 1089646;1428288598;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19WR4Ek ) 1089647;1428288598;mircea_popescu;note pete_dushenski the guy starts by inquiring whether the tramp is "in a room tonight" 1089648;1428288598;decimation;does this invention begin to hit limits?”" 1089649;1428288616;mircea_popescu;the "easy" situation has created this particular inferno for the underclass, that they are literally a mob now. 1089650;1428288617;bitstein;pete_dushenski: Hearn lives in Switzerland. 1089651;1428288632;mircea_popescu;no fixed place of residence, some nights in a hotel, or a car, or someone's livingroom, or the park. 1089652;1428288654;mircea_popescu;that's pretty much the life of the whore, and of the mentally ill, and of the "student" and so on. bums, the lot of them. 1089653;1428288677;mircea_popescu;like hearn, like everyone else on github. like the names on social media, like the leah goodmans trying to convince you they're "journalists". 1089654;1428288680;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was taken to hilarious heights in j. brunner's 'stand on zanzibar', where virtually the entire fuckable female population of planet earth lives that way 1089655;1428288680;decimation;meanwhile actualy california has 'reinvented' itself into a central american shithole, wants to pretend like it matters 1089656;1428288686;mircea_popescu;you know, "journalists" just like the fictional carriew bradshaw, 1089657;1428288699;mircea_popescu;not journalists like every other whore you fucked whenever you didn't mind getting filmy. 1089658;1428288707;mircea_popescu;just like the actresses waiting tables and turning tricks. 1089659;1428288710;mircea_popescu;it's a social class. 1089660;1428288717;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1089661;1428288723;mircea_popescu;this is not far from truth today. 1089662;1428288728;asciilifeform;mega-b00k incidentally. recommended to all. 1089663;1428288774;mircea_popescu;decimation in fairness, california has always been past its demographic limits. people were paying more for hay there than anywhere in the world cca 1850 1089664;1428288778;mircea_popescu;(nevada excepted, of course) 1089665;1428288781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00028743 = 5.7486 BTC [-] 1089666;1428288848;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: heh, well this particular whore recently claimed to have never heard of #b-a, which must be like carrie bradshaw never having heard of the new york times 1089667;1428288869;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski if you recall the famous "conference" held in london by nefario, taaki and the rest of "bitcoinica consultancy" crowd... 1089668;1428288879;pete_dushenski;because in magical fairy land, things that don't like you don't exist 1089669;1428288883;mircea_popescu;that's the idea, generally. like going to a rave, orwhatever. sleep on the floor of a squatted building. 1089670;1428288897;mircea_popescu;sleep at renton's underage girlfriend's parents' place 1089671;1428288902;mircea_popescu;"are you her mates or what then ?!" 1089672;1428288904;pete_dushenski;airbnb it 1089673;1428288918;pete_dushenski;or not even 1089674;1428288926;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski airbnb costs money. 1089675;1428288956;pete_dushenski;'private rooms' cost less, whole suite, ya, that's too high falutin 1089676;1428288957;decimation;^ actresses waiting tables/turning tricks now use 25% less water 1089677;1428289014;mircea_popescu;and this is how the carrie bradshaw selected hearing works. she'd have heard of the new york times, but not of... hm 1089678;1428289017;mircea_popescu;here's a point in case : http://www.toptenz.net/10-greatest-american-philosophers.php 1089679;1428289018;assbot;10 Greatest American Philosophers - Toptenz.net ... ( http://bit.ly/19WRTNv ) 1089680;1428289018;pete_dushenski;if bitstein is correct, one wonders how hearn affords to live in switzerland 1089681;1428289032;pete_dushenski;or more precisely, who he knows there with a spare couch 1089682;1428289034;mircea_popescu;note that they DO list that imbecile west. who has contributed as much to human knowledge as obama has : being black. 1089683;1428289039;mircea_popescu;who is missing from that list ? 1089684;1428289046;mircea_popescu;hint : he's a jew. his name starts with a c. 1089685;1428289050;mircea_popescu;and ends, unsurprisingly, in a y. 1089686;1428289065;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it was a nato possession since day 1 of nato (and possibly earlier depending on whether you're a dulles et al '3rd as prequel to 4th' reich proponent) 1089687;1428289075;mircea_popescu;so, yes. carrie bradshaw of philosophy writing for the toptenz of nyt has heard of cornel but not of chomsky. 1089688;1428289083;asciilifeform;case in point: where is crypto ag corp. headquartered? and why 1089689;1428289106;asciilifeform;swiss banks: exactly like american banks but more honeypotty 1089690;1428289117;mircea_popescu;decimation in fairness, they had all switched to those alcohol based swipes in the 90s. 1089691;1428289123;bitstein;pete_dushenski: He works (or used to work?) at Google's Zurich office: https://www.google.com/about/careers/locations/zurich/ 1089692;1428289123;assbot; Zurich - Google Careers ... ( http://bit.ly/19WS5we ) 1089693;1428289123;decimation;heh 1089694;1428289124;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: eh, not really a proponent of said theory. 1089695;1428289126;mircea_popescu;in a rather disgusting turn of events. 1089696;1428289172;pete_dushenski;swiss will go hide in the mountains, play defense, sell out who they like the least, one by one until the asker fucks off 1089697;1428289181;decimation;my understanding is that it's not very simple to get a work visa in switzerland 1089698;1428289194;asciilifeform;decimation: easy as a fart if you're a usg intelligence asset. 1089699;1428289207;mircea_popescu;amusingly, it's traditionally what the nsa used 1089700;1428289208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11511 @ 0.00027875 = 3.2087 BTC [-] 1089701;1428289213;mircea_popescu;(the cia used germany as a cover for its people) 1089702;1428289220;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: if swiss banks are honeypotty, what are caymans ? 1089703;1428289222;mircea_popescu;but somehow the geeks felt switzerland was more "technical" 1089704;1428289244;decimation;http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-describes-cia-tricks-2013-6?op=1 1089705;1428289246;assbot;Edward Snowden Describes CIA Tricks - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9LHgU ) 1089706;1428289248;mircea_popescu;i think this is even mentioned in meanwhile declassified soviet stuff. they actually sorted the blacks by "switzerland or germany" 1089707;1428289269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00027821 = 6.2041 BTC [-] {2} 1089708;1428289270;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they bought (with guess what kind of money) sizeable stakes in various swiss concerns (including, best-known publicly, crypto ag) 1089709;1428289356;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: who are these blacks who were sorted ? 1089710;1428289372;mircea_popescu;back to that "you have no rights" fisher quote for a second : it splendidly illustrates the difference between democracy and republic, 1089711;1428289407;mircea_popescu;and why la serenissima is not a democracy, and why no democracy can be anything but "a popular democracy", as in the popular democratic republic of 1089712;1428289430;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski old joke, americans ask russians how do they keep discovering their secret agents. "you could try not sending black people..." 1089713;1428289469;pete_dushenski;ah! i remember that one :) 1089714;1428289491;pete_dushenski;i even retold it once, to splendid effect 1089715;1428289504;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this might make a great basis for a remake of that fabulous "le grand blanc" (which srsly was james bond only well done) 1089716;1428289526;mircea_popescu;have a senegalese man play Igor Totallyhonestlyrusynskyi 1089717;1428289530;decimation;^there's a 'democratic' effort to get a black guy to play james bond 1089718;1428289551;pete_dushenski;next: asian woman bond 1089719;1428289561;mircea_popescu;how about paraplegic bond ? 1089720;1428289565;mircea_popescu;maybe hawkins could cameo. 1089721;1428289578;mircea_popescu;make it just like the bond franchise, but with handicapped people and science. 1089722;1428289582;mircea_popescu;logical step. 1089723;1428289584;pete_dushenski;lol at hawkins! 1089724;1428289593;pete_dushenski;watched theory of everything' 1089725;1428289597;pete_dushenski;last night 1089726;1428289641;pete_dushenski;the most telling line, and keep in mind that this is in the late 60s/early 70s, was hawking saying "physics is business" 1089727;1428289643;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski btw, ever seen http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Grand_Blond_avec_une_chaussure_noire ? 1089728;1428289645;assbot;Le Grand Blond avec une chaussure noire — Wikipédia ... ( http://bit.ly/19WTbrD ) 1089729;1428289649;mircea_popescu;you're francophone right ? 1089730;1428289660;pete_dushenski;bilingue ;) 1089731;1428289663;decimation;" So, what that means is, this is actually terrifying. Democracy is radically indeterminate. The outcome can be manipulated. But that manipulation will not be apparent to people unless they have seen this technical result. Which means that you sort of--you can have shamans, people who know the rules, be in charge in ways that are tantamount to dictatorship. So, we should be very skeptical about claims that 'this is what the people 1089732;1428289665;decimation;want.'" ; Toma Caragiu : N-ai pe cineva ! - YouTube: ; N-ai pe cineva ? - Toma Caragiu - YouTube: 1089756;1428290063;decimation;https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/01/05/in-the-future-all-british-characters-will-be-played-by-idris-elba/ < "The basic situation seems to be that people (including me!) really really love Idris Elba & think he’s awesome, and also really really don’t want to appear racist. Ergo, Idris Elba should play every possible and conceivable British character who could in principle appear in a movie that you can name! " 1089757;1428290064;assbot;In the future, all British characters will be played by Idris Elba | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9NSRn ) 1089758;1428290064;mircea_popescu;("dear listeners, i tell you i have no one anywhere. not phone service, not gas distributor, not x y or z. i do not..." 1089759;1428290066;BingoBoingo; who is missing from that list ? << Chomsky 1089760;1428290073;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo mhm. 1089761;1428290091;*;BingoBoingo was waiting for one of our Jews to name 'im 1089762;1428290095;mircea_popescu;:p 1089763;1428290119;mircea_popescu;anywya, ima put that online. 1089764;1428290197;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: lol you're obviously the jewiest guy in the audience! 1089765;1428290234;mircea_popescu;he's a jew like i'm pregnant. 1089766;1428290245;*;BingoBoingo never could never see getting worked up over specific kinds of crackers 1089767;1428290255;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: boy or girl ? 1089768;1428290258;asciilifeform;http://addxorrol.blogspot.com/2009/11/why-are-most-researchers-not-fan-of.html << more vintage lulz turned up in dig 1089769;1428290259;assbot;ADD / XOR / ROL: Why are most researchers not a fan of standards on "responsible disclosure" ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9Osia ) 1089770;1428290261;pete_dushenski;and congrats! 1089771;1428290282;*;asciilifeform sifting through ancient notes in thus far futile search for unrelated thing 1089772;1428290282;pete_dushenski;i kid, i kid. 1089773;1428290284;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski rabbit. 1089774;1428290294;asciilifeform;'I might be stepping on some people's toes, but to me it looked like a high-school class where the dimmest students drew up guidelines on how smart students "should" behave, and gave that to the teacher in order to earn brownie points - including clauses like 'not contradicting the teacher'.' 1089775;1428290294;mircea_popescu;i am not a great fan of hard labour 1089776;1428290305;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform word. 1089777;1428290306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7177 @ 0.00027232 = 1.9544 BTC [-] {2} 1089778;1428290453;decimation;asciilifeform: in other words, the dim mob wants 'process' precisely to dictate redistribution to them 1089779;1428290532;asciilifeform;decimation: importantly - in a way calculated to 'steal the sense of having been stolen from' 1089780;1428290554;asciilifeform;aka 'how the world works' (TM) 1089781;1428290574;decimation;right, the bums who vote to expel you after taking up residence on your property are morally superior, being bums 1089782;1428290697;asciilifeform;https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/1998-12/msg00083.html 1089783;1428290699;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19WVCum ) 1089784;1428290711;asciilifeform;or did we do this one already. 1089785;1428290784;decimation;I didn't see it. So " --enable-static-nss" is useful for glibc 1089786;1428290787;asciilifeform;'1) Contributors can add new services without adding them to the GNU C Library. 1089787;1428290787;asciilifeform;2) The modules can be updated separately. 1089788;1428290787;asciilifeform;3) The C library image is smaller.' 1089789;1428290794;asciilifeform;( http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/NSS-Basics.html#NSS-Basics ) 1089790;1428290794;assbot;The GNU C Library: NSS Basics ... ( http://bit.ly/19WVRpl ) 1089791;1428290794;asciilifeform;wtf 1089792;1428290804;decimation;yeah I don't get it 1089793;1428290811;decimation;why does name resolution require binary plugins 1089794;1428290849;asciilifeform;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3430400/linux-static-linking-is-dead << i'm not remotely the first to notice the gorilla shitting in the kitchen 1089795;1428290851;assbot;gcc - Linux static linking is dead? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9Q1fS ) 1089796;1428290886;asciilifeform;'I do not know where to find the historic references, but yes, static linking is dead on GNU systems. (I believe it died during the transition from libc4/libc5 to libc6/glibc 2.x.) The feature was deemed useless in light of: Security vulnerabilities. Application which was statically linked doesn't even support upgrade of libc....' 1089797;1428290891;asciilifeform;there we have it. 1089798;1428290894;asciilifeform;deliberate. 1089799;1428290962;decimation;I guess it's 'nice' that gethostbyname() can be arbitrarily remapped if you just want your linux to run winblows 1089800;1428291123;decimation;asciilifeform: to be fair, their reasoning kinda makes sense in the world where libc is providing the 'global namespace' 1089801;1428291245;asciilifeform;the stab-in-the-back method of dropping support for staticlinking in no way can be justified. 1089802;1428291268;asciilifeform;it is a show of bad faith. 1089803;1428291337;decimation;what amuses me is that the excuse of 'it fixes bugs' only applies to code that isn't otherwise distributed by the 'distro' 1089804;1428291354;decimation;in other words, it only applies to code that the user himself has compiled 1089805;1428291477;asciilifeform; I didn't see it. So " --enable-static-nss" is useful for glibc << as i understand, this results in random breakage (a binary which only runs with any degree of certainty on your machine) 1089806;1428291515;decimation;yes, if you have some non-standard nsswitch.conf stuff it will break 1089807;1428291517;asciilifeform;-somebody- saw it fit to break static linking on gnu platform in the traditional microshit way - suddenly, silently, and 'for your own good' (TM) 1089808;1428291523;decimation;it only uses 'files' and 'dns' 1089809;1428291547;decimation;all kinds of stuff provides nss plugins for name resolution 1089810;1428291594;decimation;for instance, if you want to resolve the names of 'cifs' hosts running on microshit servers 1089811;1428291669;decimation;at any rate, I think the responsible option here is to settle on uclibc with the desired features enabled 1089812;1428291953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10796 @ 0.00028656 = 3.0937 BTC [+] {2} 1089813;1428292188;asciilifeform;i still want to know precisely what patch it was that made it into various non-gentoo things, that silenced the alarm bell and deceived folks into 'yes this is a static build' 1089814;1428292289;asciilifeform;obligatory: r. sheckley's 'hour of battle' and mircea_popescu's remake thereof, http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning 1089815;1428292290;assbot;The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19WZpb6 ) 1089816;1428292441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4704 @ 0.00029007 = 1.3645 BTC [+] 1089817;1428292502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21317 @ 0.0002957 = 6.3034 BTC [+] {2} 1089818;1428292750;decimation;asciilifeform: part of the problem is that glibc has a 'colorful' history 1089819;1428293877;mircea_popescu;hey mthreat is the search borkt ? 1089820;1428294014;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-failure-modes-of-democracy-from-people-who-actually-know-what-theyre-talking-about/ < 1089821;1428294014;assbot;The failure modes of "democracy", from people who actually know what they're talking about. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19X3dsV ) 1089822;1428294269;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not entirely sure this is to go on the head of Andreas Jaeger. 1089823;1428294344;mircea_popescu;more interestingly, any idea who {UD} is ? 1089824;1428294515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9766 @ 0.0002989 = 2.9191 BTC [+] 1089825;1428294759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10518 @ 0.00029594 = 3.1127 BTC [-] 1089826;1428294903;mircea_popescu;anyway asciilifeform no you're not the first to notice. you're the first to notice who is actually connected and thus powerful. 1089827;1428295863;mircea_popescu; deliberate. <<< that part was clear. 1089828;1428295929;mircea_popescu;<decimation> in other words, it only applies to code that the user himself has compiled << in other words, it is by its very definition dekulakization. run the fucking code usg & dept of friend computer say you run, terrorist! 1089829;1428295997;mircea_popescu; -somebody- saw it fit to break static linking on gnu platform in the traditional microshit way - suddenly, silently, and 'for your own good' (TM) << and the fact that silently worked tells mike_c why qntra market cap would reasonably exceed the sum of the market cap of all computing publications available. 1089830;1428296005;mircea_popescu;not even kidding. 1089831;1428296040;mircea_popescu;;;later tell decimation once we settle in uclibc, uclibc gets killed. 1089832;1428296041;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1089833;1428296062;mircea_popescu;much easier than to try and you know, buy all pogos, as alf was discussing. 1089834;1428296345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35513 @ 0.00028782 = 10.2214 BTC [-] {2} 1089835;1428296406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00028128 = 6.1882 BTC [-] 1089836;1428297687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5638 @ 0.00028052 = 1.5816 BTC [-] 1089837;1428300075;mats;http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/04/05/navy-shipbuilding-budget-ships-fleet-plan-destroyers-cruisers-submarines-amphibious-aircraft-carriers-flagships/25331685/ 1089838;1428300077;assbot;New US Navy Fleet Goal: 308 Ships ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5Boqa ) 1089839;1428300191;mats;http://breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/04/Parameters-for-a-Joint-Comprehenisve-Plan-of-Action.pdf 1089840;1428300192;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5BxtF ) 1089841;1428300320;mats;^Parameters of the nuclear deal with Iran 1089842;1428300432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00028818 = 5.5331 BTC [+] {2} 1089843;1428300493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.0002952 = 3.5424 BTC [+] {3} 1089844;1428300495;mats;http://defensetech.org/2015/04/03/china-unveils-three-new-nuclear-powered-attack-submarines/ 1089845;1428300498;assbot;China Unveils Three New Nuclear-Powered Attack Submarines | Defense Tech ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5C6DE ) 1089846;1428301571;mircea_popescu;mats anything above and beyond the "they succeeded making their own nuke, further sanctions superfluous" ? 1089847;1428301652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12035 @ 0.00029978 = 3.6079 BTC [+] 1089848;1428301774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00030166 = 5.9427 BTC [+] {2} 1089849;1428301837;mircea_popescu;300ish ships somehow sounds unimpressive. like a minor chinese port. 1089850;1428301941;mats;“What they are doing with patrols is just the tip of the iceberg. It is not just the number of the ships, but within five to eight years they will have about 82 submarines in the Asia Pacific area and we will have about 32 to 34" 1089851;1428301995;mircea_popescu;"all of which will be running on chinese made ic anyway" 1089852;1428302020;mats;mircea_popescu: no, just the usual implicit 'fear the chinese' byline 1089853;1428302075;mircea_popescu;yeah well... it seems reasonably obvious that the usg's very uppity policy is insanity on the mid term. they need us a lot more than we could ever need them. obviously a bit of humility today will save a lot of abject humiliation in 2025, but in any case 1089854;1428302086;mircea_popescu;ascii's wagen is not all that probable. 1089855;1428302587;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/a60bb63e5b9b4567e95c25aac83c1744/tumblr_nhqagdQuIB1u5z1ezo1_500.gif 1089856;1428302590;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN9DrU ) 1089857;1428302719;mats;http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/06/john-oliver-grills-edward-snowden-on-last-week-tonight.html 1089858;1428302721;assbot;John Oliver Grills Edward Snowden on ‘Last Week Tonight’ - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN9UuV ) 1089859;1428302869;mats;only the first third is worth reading 1089860;1428303395;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/04/buttercoin-set-to-close/ 1089861;1428303396;assbot;Buttercoin Set To Close | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNaBob ) 1089862;1428303482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9701 @ 0.00029984 = 2.9087 BTC [-] {2} 1089863;1428303944;mircea_popescu;there wa sa buttercoin ?! 1089864;1428303980;mircea_popescu;mats oh, that oliver muppet. 1089865;1428304094;mircea_popescu;no idea why anyone'd entertain mildred gillars posing as a "comedian", but hey. 1089866;1428304181;mircea_popescu;in any case : that particular leak, and the much less publicised but much ampler leaks since, are not important because "people on the street" 1089867;1428304193;mircea_popescu;you can by and large identify disinfo by this very idiotic "person on street" bent. 1089868;1428304223;mircea_popescu;the ordinary streetwalker couldn't explain how a car engine works, either. that doesn't make car engines unimportant. 1089869;1428304233;mircea_popescu;if this were how the world worked everyone'd be john oliver. 1089870;1428304265;mircea_popescu;but the pretense that his thinly veiled propaganda is "real journalism" is indicative of the state of the usg propaganda machine, be it daily beast or wapo. 1089871;1428304303;mircea_popescu;ie, they really abandoned any attempt to communicate at all, and satisfy themselves with browbeat. supposedly this works on the stupidest of the working class. 1089872;1428304306;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts. 1089873;1428304816;BingoBoingo; http://qntra.net/2015/04/buttercoin-set-to-close/ << Between this and BitPay's struggles seems US money is going all in on CoinBase 1089874;1428304817;assbot;Buttercoin Set To Close | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1aAMGvQ ) 1089875;1428305066;mats;but hes so edgy /s 1089876;1428305569;mircea_popescu;so are most cuckolds. 1089877;1428305632;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo buttercoin now lay dead is broken somehow 1089878;1428305808;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Applied a patch, cazalla's one this though. 1089879;1428305834;mircea_popescu;ah sorry. 1089880;1428305991;BingoBoingo;It's alright. I was only just working on a sandwich of ham... because no jew to be seen behind this IRC nick. 1089881;1428306292;mircea_popescu;lol 1089882;1428307142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0003028 = 4.9356 BTC [+] {2} 1089883;1428307629;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/naja/ 1089884;1428307630;assbot;Naja ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICgx1D ) 1089885;1428307832;mircea_popescu;!gettrust marteen 1089886;1428307835;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user marteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/marteen | http://w.b-a.link/user/marteen 1089887;1428308053;cazalla; there wa sa buttercoin ?! <<< been around a while actually but done the pivot thing a few times or something 1089888;1428308063;mircea_popescu;aha 1089889;1428308085;mircea_popescu;well luckily ver invested the money he doesn't have into a new way to butter the coin! 1089890;1428308331;fluffypony;right at the beginning 1089891;1428308334;fluffypony;when Buttercoin was proposed 1089892;1428308347;fluffypony;I commented on the Hackpad where we were shooting ideas around 1089893;1428308359;fluffypony;(afair it was for a decentralised exchange) 1089894;1428308396;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1089895;1428308414;mircea_popescu;wait, you were involved in this ? 1089896;1428308427;fluffypony;no, not beyond commenting on the hackpad 1089897;1428308463;fluffypony;after that they seemed to veer off and create a "buttercoin team" and "productise" it 1089898;1428308473;fluffypony;instead of building it out as an open-source effort 1089899;1428308481;fluffypony;so I lost interest 1089900;1428308662;fluffypony;heh there we go 1089901;1428308663;fluffypony;https://buttercoin.hackpad.com/Managing-client-side-connections-SatDG3PXEvk 1089902;1428308664;assbot;Managing client-side connections - buttercoin.hackpad.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICidrP ) 1089903;1428308665;fluffypony;that was mine 1089904;1428308682;mircea_popescu;which hackpad thing reminds me : re the earlier hacker news piece - i find it hysterical the agitprop is seriously pushing the "and they got on skype" angle. 1089905;1428308691;mircea_popescu;here's a clue : no decision of any import was ever taken on skype. 1089906;1428308705;mircea_popescu;the people who take decisions aren't on skype. the people who are on skype don't take decisions. 1089907;1428308772;mircea_popescu;"We're having trouble talking to the Hackpad synchronization server. You may be connecting through an incompatible firewall or proxy server. 1089908;1428308772;mircea_popescu;We were unable to connect to the Hackpad synchronization server. This may be due to an incompatibility with your web browser or internet connection." 1089909;1428308782;mircea_popescu;yeah totally. i have incompatible internet. incompatible TO STUPID 1089910;1428308943;cazalla;i was on skype no less than 1 hour ago lol :\ 1089911;1428309005;mircea_popescu;lol 1089912;1428309074;mircea_popescu;fluffypony kinda funny how the "decentralised exchange" is the webwallet of 2015. 1089913;1428309102;fluffypony;lol 1089914;1428309155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45350 @ 0.00029831 = 13.5284 BTC [-] {2} 1089915;1428309185;cazalla;ooh looks like this australian didn't wanna play ball any longer http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/military-adviser-adam-cobb-arrested-in-us-on-child-pornography/story-e6frg6nf-1227293195488 1089916;1428309186;assbot;Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICj4sH ) 1089917;1428309194;cazalla;"Cobb allegedly uploaded images of child pornography to the social networking site, Tumblr." 1089918;1428309234;mircea_popescu;i imagine tumblr has a metric shitton of child porn 1089919;1428309235;punkman;http://www.catonmat.net/blog/ldd-arbitrary-code-execution/ 1089920;1428309237;assbot;ldd arbitrary code execution - good coders code, great reuse ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICj77B ) 1089921;1428309294;mircea_popescu;"In this article I am going to show you how to create an executable that runs arbitrary code if it's examined by `ldd`. I have also written a social engineering scenario on how you can get your sysadmin to unknowingly hand you his privileges." 1089922;1428309298;mircea_popescu;this is pretty dangerous. 1089923;1428309307;mircea_popescu;and im sure a major part of whatever SALADWORD 1089924;1428309367;punkman;"1985 called, they want their exploit back." 1089925;1428309399;mircea_popescu;heh 1089926;1428309445;punkman;so, don't ldd as root n' stuff, in case you didn't know 1089927;1428309466;mircea_popescu;of course, in the converse view, a sysadmin that actually fucks with your binary on a valuable box... 1089928;1428309524;mircea_popescu;app/bin# ldd ./myapp 1089929;1428309524;mircea_popescu;All your box are belong to me. 1089930;1428309528;mircea_popescu;^ i thought that was precious 1089931;1428309540;mircea_popescu;i had to do a dbl take see if he actually put html cruft in his poc. 1089932;1428309948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00029326 = 3.1379 BTC [-] 1089933;1428311840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00029238 = 4.5319 BTC [-] {3} 1089934;1428312510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5773 @ 0.00029441 = 1.6996 BTC [+] 1089935;1428312632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14227 @ 0.00029521 = 4.2 BTC [+] {2} 1089936;1428312693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15073 @ 0.0003016 = 4.546 BTC [+] 1089937;1428315011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00029404 = 2.8963 BTC [-] 1089938;1428316109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00029392 = 1.8076 BTC [-] 1089939;1428316414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00029531 = 4.5921 BTC [+] {2} 1089940;1428317146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00029344 = 4.3869 BTC [-] {2} 1089941;1428317390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00029327 = 2.0969 BTC [-] 1089942;1428317590;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB3T37ZWAAAgw_S.jpg:large 1089943;1428317590;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5cVaF ) 1089944;1428317878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21052 @ 0.00029984 = 6.3122 BTC [+] {2} 1089945;1428318183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33397 @ 0.00030337 = 10.1316 BTC [+] {3} 1089946;1428318488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00029167 = 5.5417 BTC [-] 1089947;1428319037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00029126 = 8.9417 BTC [-] {3} 1089948;1428320806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6518 @ 0.00030287 = 1.9741 BTC [+] 1089949;1428321233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00030287 = 4.8762 BTC [+] 1089950;1428322149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00030287 = 1.06 BTC [+] 1089951;1428322758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00030631 = 9.5722 BTC [+] {4} 1089952;1428323246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.00029775 = 16.4954 BTC [-] 1089953;1428323307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00029775 = 16.942 BTC [-] 1089954;1428325503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00029554 = 6.295 BTC [-] {2} 1089955;1428327821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00031008 = 7.4574 BTC [+] {4} 1089956;1428329209;danielpbarron;height=315012 vs height=221024 1089957;1428329468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53908 @ 0.00029285 = 15.787 BTC [-] {2} 1089958;1428329590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00029062 = 2.107 BTC [-] 1089959;1428330444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25892 @ 0.00029081 = 7.5297 BTC [+] 1089960;1428331481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38824 @ 0.00029085 = 11.292 BTC [+] {2} 1089961;1428331542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32176 @ 0.00028747 = 9.2496 BTC [-] {3} 1089962;1428331617;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1089873 < and blockstream & 21 1089963;1428331617;assbot;Logged on 06-04-2015 07:20:16; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/buttercoin-set-to-close/ << Between this and BitPay's struggles seems US money is going all in on CoinBase 1089964;1428333860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00028683 = 14.1407 BTC [-] {3} 1089965;1428334226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00029567 = 4.1689 BTC [+] 1089966;1428334364;nubbins`;so i'm still not able to reproduce the portartronic pogotronic static build 1089967;1428334376;nubbins`;totally have the static binary here, just... can't replicate the build. 1089968;1428334414;nubbins`;and my patience has limits so this is on the back burner for the next week or so, at least. 1089969;1428336016;ben_vulpes;gj in any event nubbins` 1089970;1428336249;nubbins`;ty 1089971;1428336265;nubbins`;fwiw it's just a matter of ripping out the chunks of boost that don't belong 1089972;1428336295;nubbins`;easier said than done 1089973;1428336605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00028554 = 6.853 BTC [-] 1089974;1428337032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00029567 = 10.4224 BTC [+] 1089975;1428337886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43250 @ 0.00029119 = 12.594 BTC [-] {3} 1089976;1428342034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00029242 = 9.6206 BTC [+] 1089977;1428343046;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1089978;1428343094;ascii_field;https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2012-March/030286.html and especially http://sourceforge.net/p/openvpn/mailman/message/28892317 1089979;1428343096;assbot;OpenVPN / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgpZEW ) 1089980;1428343112;ascii_field;'If you believe "static linking" to mean something else from what I 1089981;1428343112;ascii_field;described above, please enlighten us all!' 1089982;1428343146;ascii_field;^ examples from folks noticing The Boojum and grasping at air while trying to understand why they are being lied to 1089983;1428343168;ascii_field;essentially, 'this -is- the new static linking. forget about the old one' 1089984;1428343254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28956 @ 0.00028891 = 8.3657 BTC [-] {3} 1089985;1428343281;ascii_field;https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2012-March/030280.html << original 1089986;1428343342;ascii_field;http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/dropbear/2011q4/001207.html << 'dropbear not compiling statically' << just about every major security-themed lib affected, it appears 1089987;1428343344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iktyjz ) 1089988;1428343437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00028483 = 5.1981 BTC [-] 1089989;1428343742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16574 @ 0.0002847 = 4.7186 BTC [-] {2} 1089990;1428344169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00028438 = 5.517 BTC [-] {2} 1089991;1428344316;ascii_field;'"I suppose the idea is that everything will be in the downloaded file, so nothing depends on the local libraries on the target system. Unfortunately with Linux, and I think anything else using GLIBC, this still isn't quite true. There's this "libnss" (name service switch, some people seem to call it network security system) which provides functions for accessing various databases for authentication, network information, 1089992;1428344316;ascii_field;and other things. It's supposed to make application programs independent of the separately configured actual network environment of the machine. A nice idea, but changes to GLIBC can lead to problems loading it. And you can't statically link "libnss", since it is configured for each machine individually. The problem comes, I think, mainly from statically linking other GLIBC libraries, notably "libpthread", "libm", and 1089993;1428344318;ascii_field;"libc", from which come incompatible calls to "libnss" functions."' 1089994;1428344347;mircea_popescu;so acthung panzers as the expression goes : 1089995;1428344372;mircea_popescu;in the wake of my "who shat the libnss" investigation tptb have agreed something must be done about this. 1089996;1428344394;mircea_popescu;what's now needed is an expert computer engineer willing and able to take over maintenance of libnss, starting with fixing it so it allows proper static linking. 1089997;1428344415;mircea_popescu;you will be helped by the glibc team but you.absolutely.must.know.what.you're.doing. 1089998;1428344418;ascii_field;why not shoot it in the head and maintain uclibc's ? 1089999;1428344429;mircea_popescu;i am an open man running an open empire. 1090000;1428344437;mircea_popescu;people get to do w/e the shit it is they want to do. 1090001;1428344500;mircea_popescu;anyway, if one's interested feel free to contact me and i'll either say gtfo or tell you what you have to do. if you'd rather avoid the record of the gtfo feel free to discuss privately. 1090002;1428344503;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i began reading the glibc source last night 1090003;1428344510;ascii_field;must say that 'fix' is not the appropriate word 1090004;1428344517;ascii_field;by any stretch of imagination 1090005;1428344522;mircea_popescu;you being one of the perhaps five people that did it this year, 1090006;1428344524;mircea_popescu;and i know the other four. 1090007;1428344530;ascii_field;can you 'fix' a roadkill baking in the sun ? 1090008;1428344535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47050 @ 0.00028342 = 13.3349 BTC [-] {2} 1090009;1428344546;mircea_popescu;but, regardless. every journey begins with a frenzied fuck and a sad kiss goodbye. 1090010;1428344557;mircea_popescu;or w/e that expression was. 1090011;1428344773;ascii_field;dns is pure gold as a pwnhole vector, incidentally 1090012;1428344789;mircea_popescu;it seems *DESIGNED* for this purpose 1090013;1428344812;mircea_popescu;at least from what i've pieced together from what people have been reciting to me as bedstories since my involvement in bitcoin 1090014;1428344819;ascii_field;(solidly usg-controlled and no one other than us appears to smell the stink of the beast!) 1090015;1428344840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00028209 = 14.3161 BTC [-] {2} 1090016;1428344847;mircea_popescu;yes. "and what happens if letter server sends you crafted package ?" "huh ?!" 1090017;1428344874;mircea_popescu;"no that doesn't happen" "right" "you don't understand how the world works!" 1090018;1428344907;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1090019;1428344949;mircea_popescu;anyway, it was good enough for the webpage + guestbook era, which is back when it shone. everything goes away eventually, and the duct tape and chewed gum contraptions holding togethere the everyman's arpanet especially so. 1090020;1428344987;ascii_field;when i did a tour of duty as a perversely purposeless employee of university, the cellar below my office, one flight of steps down, was a dns root serv. peculiarly well-guarded and fortified for something so low-traffic (root dns servs get used hardly ever) 1090021;1428345018;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1090022;1428345023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5861 @ 0.00028634 = 1.6782 BTC [+] 1090023;1428345030;ascii_field;it was the one part of the grounds where one could not wander at will 1090024;1428345057;ascii_field;multiple doors, each opened with fancy electric keys, etc. 1090025;1428345069;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0RQRMWD << "domainers". because you know, thewhet exists. 1090026;1428345070;assbot;dpaste: 0RQRMWD ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkyoNL ) 1090027;1428345089;ascii_field;^ i get these regularly 1090028;1428345100;mircea_popescu;this is a business now. derps actually hope to make money out of this. someone might care about domain names still, because they did pre 2001, because dotcom people were idiots 1090029;1428345117;mircea_popescu;i hope they're sending google proposals for muggle 1090030;1428345142;ascii_field;these schmucks bought up hundreds of thousands of 'valuable' domains. naturally they will try to monetize before fellating their pistols 1090031;1428345145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17992 @ 0.00028076 = 5.0514 BTC [-] {2} 1090032;1428345153;mircea_popescu;heh. 1090033;1428345182;mircea_popescu;the part i like best is the scamconferences they organise where they go to spend a coupla days in alt.universe where HUGE DEALS happen and stupidity is "an industry" 1090034;1428345218;trinque;godaddy is now valued at what, 4 billion "dollars"? 1090035;1428345218;mircea_popescu;their yearly total gross attained 1% of yearly expenditure in no year since 2001. 1090036;1428345229;mircea_popescu;trinque godaddy makes money. 1090037;1428345246;mircea_popescu;unlike pretty much anyone, including google and facebook/ godaddy is like apple. 1090038;1428345296;trinque;huge revenue, pretty slim profit; I'm looking it up 1090039;1428345316;trinque;dunno how you burn that much cash selling an imaginary product 1090040;1428345330;trinque;this I guess is how usg creates jobs 1090041;1428345332;trinque;:p 1090042;1428345333;mircea_popescu;was discussed here. that ho being their "image" what's her name ? 1090043;1428345335;ascii_field;trinque: easy. they're the only registrar with tv ads 1090044;1428345349;mircea_popescu;right. the bitpay "method", except they're doing out of their own money. 1090045;1428345366;ascii_field;their business model is unabashedly populistic-chumpatronic 1090046;1428345376;mircea_popescu;trying to be fucking aol over here, huge corp with by far shittiest product. 1090047;1428345387;mircea_popescu;luckily, the 80s are long gone, and this strat simply does not work. 1090048;1428345412;mircea_popescu;kinda not bodes well for government, either, this state of affairs. 1090049;1428345446;trinque;ascii_field: yep, you too can have your very own 'website'! 1090050;1428345454;ascii_field;works great. sell joe the alcoholic bomzh 'joethealcoholicbomzh.com' for ten bux 1090051;1428345458;trinque;post-dot-com business in a box 1090052;1428345472;mircea_popescu;ascii_field except the last perso who bought was later indicted for terrorist bombmaking. 1090053;1428345477;mircea_popescu;and that was three years ago. 1090054;1428345484;mircea_popescu;kinda hard to call this "works" 1090055;1428345522;*;trinque has trouble seeing the value in something that continues to lose money, but then, he's a simpleton 1090056;1428345534;mircea_popescu;you gotta watch more don rickles. 1090057;1428345541;ascii_field;http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc << anybody have experience with it ? 1090058;1428345541;assbot;diet libc - a libc optimized for small size ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkzxVF ) 1090059;1428345545;mircea_popescu;"i make a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" 1090060;1428345552;trinque;lol 1090061;1428345559;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's the other thing people use other than uclibc 1090062;1428345563;ascii_field;aha 1090063;1428345563;mircea_popescu;seems iffier. 1090064;1428345570;ascii_field;but unlike uclibc, i have never used it. 1090065;1428345577;ascii_field;uclibc - works. 1090066;1428345580;mircea_popescu;it's more of a hipster crowd thing 1090067;1428345587;mircea_popescu;better corners etc. 1090068;1428345605;ascii_field;if weighs less - worth at least considering only on that merit alone 1090069;1428345614;ascii_field;(but so far does not appear to be the case) 1090070;1428345617;mircea_popescu;less than glibc. weighs about the same as uc 1090071;1428345622;ascii_field;aha 1090072;1428345640;mircea_popescu;give or take, but i'm not really crazy about the difference between 5% and 3% either way 1090073;1428345655;mircea_popescu;as long as you shaved off the 95%, you've shaved. 1090074;1428345660;mircea_popescu;ymmv. 1090075;1428345683;ascii_field;was speaking of brain mass, rather than bytewise. 1090076;1428345759;mircea_popescu;there's a correlation. 1090077;1428345772;ascii_field;aha. but must remind readers that they are not one and the same. 1090078;1428345795;ascii_field;(for pathologically degenerate case, see my fpga tale from conf-II) 1090079;1428345802;mircea_popescu;lol 1090080;1428345805;nubbins`;" The problem comes, I think, mainly from statically linking other GLIBC libraries, notably "libpthread"" <<< we're using that one 1090081;1428345811;Pierre_Rochard;http://www.wsj.com/articles/in-silicon-valley-frenzy-vcs-create-new-inside-track-1427992176 << last time SPVs came up, it was subprime real estate 1090082;1428345813;assbot; In Silicon Valley Frenzy, VCs Create New Inside Track - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkAahU ) 1090083;1428345835;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard it was, wans't it... 1090084;1428345851;mircea_popescu;im kinda surprised "spvs" didn't get banned last time tbh. 1090085;1428345868;mircea_popescu;OUR GREAT LEADER WAS SLAIN BY SOMETHING IN A ROUND BOX THINGEE! ROUNDBOX THINGEES ARE NOW BANNED!11 1090086;1428345911;mircea_popescu;"Pinterest board observer raised $200 million in three days to buy more shareswith startups blessing" << almost exactly different from how a ponzi is run, 1090087;1428345918;mircea_popescu;for some values of "different". 1090088;1428345973;Pierre_Rochard;my favorite was “Data analytics provider Palantir Technologies Inc., which was valued at $15 billion last September, turned to an SPV arranged by Founders Fund, a San Francisco firm headed by billionaire investors Peter Thiel, according to people familiar with the deal.” 1090089;1428345975;mircea_popescu;aaanyways. it's a safe enough model for as long as inflation holds, because it's based on nominal figures. known as the hyperinflation debenture frenzy. 1090090;1428346019;Pierre_Rochard;Peter Thiel is a co-founder of Palantir, convenient for him to arrange a deal! 1090091;1428346027;Pierre_Rochard;yup 1090092;1428346029;ascii_field;^ for anyone who was living in a sealed bunker for the past few yrs, 'palantir' is one of the direct subcontractors to nsa panopticon wares 1090093;1428346040;ascii_field;and actually thiel's main thing 1090094;1428346045;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard oh, 21 closes ? 1090095;1428346061;mircea_popescu;ascii_field myeah. 1090096;1428346066;ascii_field;it is also perhaps the most comically named of them all 1090097;1428346080;ascii_field;'we serve the ultimate evil' loudly bragging, right in the name. 1090098;1428346101;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: almost a month ago: http://www.wsj.com/articles/big-names-put-cash-in-bitcoin-startup-21-inc-1426029318 (haven’t heard from them since) 1090099;1428346103;assbot; Big Names Put Cash In Bitcoin Startup 21 Inc. - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkAUnl ) 1090100;1428346109;ascii_field;sorta like the skull on the ss uniform, but more so. 1090101;1428346124;mircea_popescu;dude for all the pretense they put forth ... they've been gone for a month and i've not yet run into a mourning woman ? 1090102;1428346141;mircea_popescu;wtf is this world where such great things can go out and not even a billion people show for the burial. 1090103;1428346146;mircea_popescu;i was expecting better, world. 1090104;1428346172;mircea_popescu;ascii_field hybris is its own sort of dementia. 1090105;1428346210;ascii_field;http://www.digital-resistance.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/s-1.jpg << obligatory classic 1090106;1428346210;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkBd1r ) 1090107;1428346222;mircea_popescu;generally, illness in humans is manifested as a contraction of the "presence bubble". you may sit in your bed thinking of things as far away as a continent, but the man in pain sees nothing past his nose. and the man in love, past HER nose. 1090108;1428346234;mircea_popescu;mental disease is no different, diseased states are always narrower than sanity. 1090109;1428346288;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: except that diseased state happily contracts the megalomania out to a hundred various 'mengeles' each of whom focuses on the insides of a particular variety of designated untermensch 1090110;1428346295;ascii_field;and happily slices, slices 1090111;1428346304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00027837 = 7.2376 BTC [-] {4} 1090112;1428346324;mircea_popescu;sure. 1090113;1428346349;mircea_popescu;it also doesn't work, necessarily. if it did, we wouldn't actually need bitcoin to solve the specific problems it solves. 1090114;1428346401;mircea_popescu;ascii_field : https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2012-March/030285.html better linkage. 1090115;1428346413;ascii_field;aha it 1090116;1428346414;mircea_popescu;in which we find out that openssh does not wish to bestatic linked, and this by design. 1090117;1428346425;ascii_field;^ what i was trying to get across, yes 1090118;1428346427;mircea_popescu;this, of course, was pre HB. now they might be more amenable. lol. 1090119;1428346485;mircea_popescu;!up chmod755 1090120;1428346490;ascii_field;aha lol, doubt it 1090121;1428346520;ascii_field;if anything, the muppets are emboldened by the gotterdammerung which did not come 1090122;1428346527;mircea_popescu;quite. 1090123;1428346569;mircea_popescu;of course, the original was a fucking cycle of operas. 1090124;1428346576;mircea_popescu;takes a while to get to the valkyries. 1090125;1428347219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.00027745 = 21.9186 BTC [-] {4} 1090126;1428347524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00027412 = 1.3432 BTC [-] {2} 1090127;1428348073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00028447 = 3.3141 BTC [+] 1090128;1428348500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00028655 = 7.1208 BTC [+] {2} 1090129;1428348805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00028195 = 9.2198 BTC [-] {2} 1090130;1428349654;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1090131;1428349727;ascii_field;http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/04/dell-support-software-gets-flagged-by-antivirus-program << the vuln is a few weeks old but this is lulzy 1090132;1428349728;assbot;Dell support software gets flagged by antivirus program | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsHFLi ) 1090133;1428350452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30188 @ 0.0002716 = 8.1991 BTC [-] {2} 1090134;1428351553;nubbins`;"Guess we all know why theymos has been hanging out in the transvestite hangouts now. He's embezeld the forum donations to turn Bad Bears P into a V so he could be his B and he gave him admin privalges so you could come here to take out his frustrations after he rams it up his ass until he bleeds. " 1090135;1428351554;nubbins`;HEH 1090136;1428351977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36040 @ 0.00027056 = 9.751 BTC [-] {4} 1090137;1428352038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18596 @ 0.00027326 = 5.0815 BTC [+] 1090138;1428352282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00028077 = 2.0215 BTC [+] 1090139;1428352677;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1090140;1428352685;ascii_field;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/is-it-legal-for-us-military-to-scan-the-publics-computers-for-kid-porn << unrelated lulz 1090141;1428352687;assbot;Is it legal for US military to scan the public’s computers for kid porn? | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DU8UUS ) 1090142;1428352783;ascii_field;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/man-beats-child-porn-rap-by-proving-accidental-downloading << related 1090143;1428352784;assbot;Man beats child porn rap by proving unintentional downloading | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1aDzOoR ) 1090144;1428352831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00028388 = 5.2518 BTC [+] {2} 1090145;1428353990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00028077 = 1.3196 BTC [-] 1090146;1428354640;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1090147;1428354939;ascii_field;mega-l0l >> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/facebook-fugitive-attached-gps-monitor-to-a-motorized-contraption 1090148;1428354941;assbot;Facebook fugitive attached GPS monitor to a “motorized contraption” | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1xYtQsQ ) 1090149;1428354968;ascii_field;'...sliced off his GPS ankle monitor and affixed it to a crudely built contraption in his rural New York residence "in order to give the appearance that he was still present and moving within his home."' 1090150;1428354996;*;ascii_field always assumed these have tamper traps like the neck-bombs from the film 'deadlock' 1090151;1428355002;ascii_field;-- but evidently not ? 1090152;1428355070;BingoBoingo;Maybe the assumption of a tamper trap is normally enough? 1090153;1428355097;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: doesn't hold against competent victim 1090154;1428355125;ascii_field;perhaps it is best to be thought a complete idiot, in this specific scenario. 1090155;1428355127;BingoBoingo;Right, but if the designer of the trap isn't competent... 1090156;1428355230;ascii_field;judge: 'I want Mr. Ceglia -- sir, you need to understand something about me. I have no compunction about taking people's parents' homes away and heaving them homeless on the street -- none whatsoever.' 1090157;1428355251;ascii_field;'THE COURT: As I said I am perfectly happy to bankrupt them. I am perfectly happy to take their real estate and to sell it, if that is what they choose. ' 1090158;1428355820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00028077 = 1.6144 BTC [-] 1090159;1428356674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00028674 = 6.509 BTC [+] 1090160;1428357223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00028674 = 11.8424 BTC [+] 1090161;1428357296;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1090162;1428358748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00028458 = 9.9888 BTC [-] {2} 1090163;1428359269;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1090164;1428359316;mats;.engineer domains can nao be rented for the low low cost of just $50,000 1090165;1428359386;ascii_field;i want '.lame' 1090166;1428359417;mats;reverse.engineer can be had for $48,000 1090167;1428359430;mats;watta 'premium domain' 1090168;1428359480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19458 @ 0.00028688 = 5.5821 BTC [+] {2} 1090169;1428359744;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--WSeI2wX6--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/keo46ag1wk6udbmagfhv.jpg 1090170;1428359745;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aDUGMI ) 1090171;1428360331;mats;i chortled 1090172;1428361236;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084982 << Why ridiculous? Wealth is good, no? Or are you saying that amassing large amounts of currency is pointless in a 'post-industrial' world. 1090173;1428361236;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2015 21:17:32; mircea_popescu: might as well make your strategy "to get really really fat" 1090174;1428361240;lobbes;Or is it simply: "Don't make yourself a target for usg" ? 1090175;1428361246;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1090176;1428361610;lobbes;Surely wealth alone is not enough, but it does allow some 'power' does it not? Either way, I'm just some schmuck aspiring to wealth. Not sure how much I'm qualified to speak on such things. 1090177;1428361621;lobbes;Anyway, I got some reading to catch up on. As you were, logs 1090178;1428361738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00028942 = 6.6856 BTC [+] 1090179;1428363221;mod6;is there one specific site that you pay the .ar reciprocity fee? 1090180;1428363262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30754 @ 0.00028089 = 8.6385 BTC [-] {2} 1090181;1428363323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71421 @ 0.00027001 = 19.2844 BTC [-] {4} 1090182;1428363372;mod6;if it's this site: https://reciprocidad.provincianet.com.ar/ 1090183;1428363375;assbot;Provincia NET :: Reprocity Fee ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ct0gXJ ) 1090184;1428363381;mod6;do i need to make a login id? 1090185;1428363416;mod6;guess i must 1090186;1428364154;mats;http://phrack.org/issues/66/10.html << 'malloc des-maleficarum', a classic 1090187;1428364155;assbot;.:: Phrack Magazine ::. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdNilV ) 1090188;1428364360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.0002835 = 10.1777 BTC [+] {2} 1090189;1428364536;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090151 << nothing the usg uses actually works. 1090190;1428364536;assbot;Logged on 06-04-2015 21:16:42; ascii_field: -- but evidently not ? 1090191;1428364552;mircea_popescu;it just sort-of works provided a) lemmings and b) some very basic nonsensical assumptions. 1090192;1428364573;mircea_popescu;but yes, ductape it on one of those robo vacuum cleanners... "nobody could have foreseen" 1090193;1428364668;mats;https://sploitfun.wordpress.com/2015/02/10/understanding-glibc-malloc/ 1090194;1428364669;assbot;Understanding glibc malloc | sploitF-U-N ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ct1SAJ ) 1090195;1428364911;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090166 << as if a reverse engineer needs any further "branding" or advertising past the ability to do hisd work. 1090196;1428364911;assbot;Logged on 06-04-2015 22:30:17; mats: reverse.engineer can be had for $48,000 1090197;1428364925;mircea_popescu;i don't think there was ever someone unemployed in that field, ever. 1090198;1428364944;mircea_popescu;even fucking air traffic controllers have slumps, once or twice a century one's unemployed. maybe two if it's real bad. 1090199;1428365040;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090172 << "focusing on yourself" and "getting real, real rich" is no different from seal focusing on itself and getting real, real fat. 1090200;1428365040;assbot;Logged on 06-04-2015 23:00:36; lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084982 << Why ridiculous? Wealth is good, no? Or are you saying that amassing large amounts of currency is pointless in a 'post-industrial' world. 1090201;1428365336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00028488 = 7.8342 BTC [+] 1090202;1428365344;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090176 << nope. wealth by itself, especially if you imagine cash is "wealth" , does not allow any power whatsoever. 1090203;1428365344;assbot;Logged on 06-04-2015 23:06:50; lobbes: Surely wealth alone is not enough, but it does allow some 'power' does it not? Either way, I'm just some schmuck aspiring to wealth. Not sure how much I'm qualified to speak on such things. 1090204;1428365401;mircea_popescu;just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road. 1090205;1428367219;mod6;ok all set on the reciprocity fee. sorry for the bother. 1090206;1428367767;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1090207;1428367772;mod6;!t m s.mpoe 1090208;1428367773;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00026971 / 0.00028926 / 0.00031364 (2111148 shares, 610.69 BTC), 7D: 0.00023767 / 0.00026111 / 0.00031364 (31724636 shares, 8,283.77 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028358 / 0.00040484 (105161566 shares, 29,821.75 BTC) 1090209;1428367803;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/tewksbury-police-pay-ransom/ << scoop still somewhere other than here 1090210;1428367803;assbot;Tewksbury Police Pay Ransom | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8h47y ) 1090211;1428368037;mircea_popescu;mod6 wd 1090212;1428368048;mircea_popescu;peterl too 1090213;1428368055;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl yo, there ? 1090214;1428368055;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1090215;1428368117;mircea_popescu;"There is no total figure available for the total cost inflicted by the multi agency investigation though $19,604 was paid to Delphi Technology Solutions, the firm which handled the ransom payment for Tewksbury. " 1090216;1428368134;mircea_popescu;this pretty much explains how the thing work. "in order to pay 500 bux to terrorists we must first pay 20k to our own people!" 1090217;1428368185;funkenstein_;cyberlocker not only helped their security but also boosted GDP 1090218;1428368208;Vexual;20k guys must have had negotiation privilege 1090219;1428368252;mircea_popescu;i suppose as the dea goes bankrupt the ex-dea agents move on to helping local police "fight terrorism" at the rate of 20k for every .5k paid out 1090220;1428368258;mircea_popescu;biznis is biznis. 1090221;1428368264;funkenstein_;now that they've seen a real one they can start faking them 1090222;1428368292;Vexual;http://www.american-buddha.com/3AMIGOS-9b.jpg 1090223;1428368505;BingoBoingo;I wonder how many petty traffic, weed, and misdemeanor tickets would have been unprosecutable if they didn't pay the people to pay the turroristas 1090224;1428368597;mircea_popescu;heh. 1090225;1428368622;mircea_popescu;something they couldn't even legally do, which is why they had to bring in delphi for 20k. 1090226;1428368641;mircea_popescu;more on point : i wonder how many people didn't have to pay their tickets because had intelligent lawyer who disputed chain of custody claims of police. 1090227;1428368651;BingoBoingo;I wonder if the cheiftain did math on fines they's collect on vs. Delphi's bill 1090228;1428368651;mircea_popescu;those documents are probatively worthless now anyway. 1090229;1428368672;mircea_popescu;unless nobody contests it, of course. 1090230;1428368683;BingoBoingo;It doesn't even really take an intelligent lawyer. 1090231;1428368904;BingoBoingo;From the Dpt. of US Satellite States https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB7RD6xUIAAlm8i.jpg 1090232;1428368904;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8k3gb ) 1090233;1428368940;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... as if a reverse engineer needs any further "branding" or advertising past the ability to do hisd work << it is entirely possible to be under- or even un-employed, or mal-employed (substitute appropriate term..?) in any profession, and yes, even that one 1090234;1428369014;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... wealth by itself, especially if you imagine cash is "wealth" , does not allow any power whatsoever << i am astonished that this needed to be elaborated. any 'wealth', lacking that other element, can be separated from the 'owner' and his earthly bones by the folks who have both 1090235;1428369056;mircea_popescu;"i have an army, it's all castles, unmanned" 1090236;1428369068;mircea_popescu;"srsly ? and where is this ?" 1090237;1428369176;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anything's possible. in this case tho, the discussion is whether it's possible without the subject's will. 1090238;1428369191;asciilifeform;it is possible if subject is in sufficiently sticky glue trap 1090239;1428369242;mircea_popescu;mebbe. 1090240;1428369818;ben_vulpes;*sigh* 1090241;1428369824;ben_vulpes;good afternoon, serenissimists 1090242;1428369910;mircea_popescu;good afternoon, worst jew. 1090243;1428369936;asciilifeform;actually the record for 'worst jew' is probably mine 1090244;1428369953;*;asciilifeform about half jew depending on how counted, but doesn't know a thing about jewing 1090245;1428370007;mircea_popescu;can you do the hand thing ? 1090246;1428370013;asciilifeform;hand thing? 1090247;1428370021;mircea_popescu;you know, the eeeee-eeeh thing 1090248;1428370028;asciilifeform;doesn't ring a bell 1090249;1428370050;BingoBoingo;http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << Incredilol 1090250;1428370055;ben_vulpes;turns out the argentines want *translated* court documents demonstrating name change, *and* they want the translations *notarized* and they want the *notarized shit* bearing a apostille, which today i learned to be a thing. 1090251;1428370097;ben_vulpes;this, i suppose, is what i get for being a us subject 1090252;1428370098;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc9-rYBOS5w 1090253;1428370099;assbot;seinfeld...."cause you got a Cadillac" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8n6F3 ) 1090254;1428370100;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mega-lulz. i must admit that i never tried to use ubiquiti's linux in earnest 1090255;1428370120;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It just sounds so much like the Pogo linux situation 1090256;1428370146;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l. i think it might be a new york thing 1090257;1428370155;mircea_popescu;that's what i said. 1090258;1428370162;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: like just about every 'gpl inside' thing ever. 1090259;1428370189;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes your passport in a different name ?! 1090260;1428370224;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yeah i uh changed my passport to my new name 1090261;1428370237;mircea_popescu;dude. does the thing have a picture of you in it ? 1090262;1428370241;ben_vulpes;yessir. 1090263;1428370250;ben_vulpes;but the entry fee is registered to the *old* passport. 1090264;1428370284;mircea_popescu;so get a new one. 1090265;1428370306;ben_vulpes;a new "reciprocity fee" document? 1090266;1428370306;*;asciilifeform recalls that getting a passport in usa takes a rather long time. 1090267;1428370318;mircea_popescu;yes. 1090268;1428370331;mircea_popescu;it's fiddy bux or w/e it is, self-serve online. 1090269;1428370385;asciilifeform;200-ish iirc 1090270;1428370395;asciilifeform;but yes, on their www 1090271;1428370401;asciilifeform;shits out a barcode to print 1090272;1428370401;mircea_popescu;http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << i can't believe whoever wrote that seriously thinks linking to unitedagainstnucleariran.com bolsters whatever point they may wish to make. 1090273;1428370406;ben_vulpes;i know how to pay the reciprocity fee, jackholes 1090274;1428370412;ben_vulpes;having. 1090275;1428370414;ben_vulpes;already. 1090276;1428370416;ben_vulpes;paid 1090277;1428370418;ben_vulpes;it. 1090278;1428370432;mircea_popescu;yes. well. visiting argentina will turn out to have been the largest expense of your namechange. 1090279;1428370441;mircea_popescu;as absurd as that may sound. 1090280;1428370536;ben_vulpes;i take some solace in the confusion it'll bring to my poor lizard obama agents. 1090281;1428370564;BingoBoingo; http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << i can't believe whoever wrote that seriously thinks linking to unitedagainstnucleariran.com bolsters whatever point they may wish to make. << Oh, you caught the third layer lulz there. http://qntra.net/2015/03/private-lawsuit-dismissed-because-of-state-secrets-privilege/ 1090282;1428370570;assbot;Private Lawsuit Dismissed Because of State Secrets Privilege | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8onvQ ) 1090283;1428370612;mircea_popescu;"That's why I decided to make a "deblobbed" version of OpenBSD." 1090284;1428370617;mircea_popescu;guy's nice and all, but... 1090285;1428370627;mircea_popescu;safepay btc ads ? srsly ? 1090286;1428370752;BingoBoingo;Thing seems to be mega crankbait impersonating legit crank 1090287;1428370816;mircea_popescu;how many entries are there between index 46 and 59 ? 1090288;1428370824;mod6;<+asciilifeform> shits out a barcode to print << yup. $160.00 USD for U.S. citizen 1090289;1428370833;mircea_popescu;somehow 13 items became 14 wtf. 1090290;1428371375;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski 1090291;1428371416;pete_dushenski;heya everybody 1090292;1428371450;ben_vulpes;hola pete 1090293;1428371459;ben_vulpes;;seen thestringpuller 1090294;1428371466;ben_vulpes;;;seen thestringpuller 1090295;1428371466;gribble;thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: ^- close the bet 1090296;1428371492;BingoBoingo;;;seen jurov 1090297;1428371494;gribble;jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 3 hours, 19 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: yes 1090298;1428371511;BingoBoingo;;;seen dooglus 1090299;1428371512;gribble;dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 43 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 59 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: and paragraphs 1090300;1428371523;BingoBoingo;;;seen Adlai 1090301;1428371523;gribble;Adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 6 hours, 32 minutes, and 1 second ago: ;;bc,stats 1090302;1428371531;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1090303;1428371533;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes how goes the swamp battle to argentina ? 1090304;1428371536;gribble;Current Blocks: 351040 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1759 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 20 hours, 24 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48149916522.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.62198 1090305;1428372037;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu when reading older trilema articles, i notice the odd trackback to contravex, but not so much on the newer articles. are these getting stuck in your spam filter of late ? 1090306;1428372050;mircea_popescu;it is possible. 1090307;1428372057;mircea_popescu;do you get any sort of error message ? 1090308;1428372068;pete_dushenski;nope. 1090309;1428372098;pete_dushenski;come to think of it, the "bitcoinpete" links had a much higher success rate than contravex 1090310;1428372134;pete_dushenski;as we know, wp sucks a donkey's cock, but it still seems odd that none are getting through these days 1090311;1428372157;pete_dushenski;mebbe you don't want them, which'd be your call 1090312;1428372171;pete_dushenski;but if it's just the filter then i thought i'd give you a heads up 1090313;1428372245;mircea_popescu;lemme see here 1090314;1428372261;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ << try that see what happens ? 1090315;1428372261;assbot;How to fix your local trackbacks ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8t9K2 ) 1090316;1428372298;pete_dushenski;;;later tell funkenstein_ i'm assuming this is you ? http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=66 1090317;1428372301;assbot;Altcoins: Why you need them | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8thJj ) 1090318;1428372301;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1090319;1428372390;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu that's what brings this up, but to be honest, your instructions are over my head! 1090320;1428372399;*;pete_dushenski isn't smart enough to sling dope, it seems 1090321;1428372415;mircea_popescu;like where ? 1090322;1428372477;pete_dushenski;like at the most basic level 1090323;1428372559;mircea_popescu;lmao get out 1090324;1428372587;joecool;:( 1090325;1428372596;pete_dushenski;joecool me! 1090326;1428372628;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu what, i've never traversed a database before 1090327;1428372668;pete_dushenski;i was all excited when i first read the article, then soon realised that i had miles to go 1090328;1428372679;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: while on the subject of trilema mechanics - what's 'dupa trompi' ? 1090329;1428372744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform trompi is a very common name for a cute small toy elephant. romanians have names for everything - for instance azorel is what a cartoon dog should be called ideally. 1090330;1428372750;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://xkcd.com/1508 << as if made for you 1090331;1428372751;assbot;xkcd: Operating Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8uHng ) 1090332;1428372759;mircea_popescu;this was elevated to divinity, a sort of fsm, by the people making the robotzi cartoons 1090333;1428372783;mircea_popescu;and i received their revelation in my heart and have converted to the cult of the most reverable trompi, the divine. 1090334;1428372805;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: lol 1090335;1428372818;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQAc6OAj9c << rain incantation. 1090336;1428372819;assbot;Trompi da sa ploua - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8uU9S ) 1090337;1428372827;pete_dushenski;"Nobody can move into bitcoin, take it over, change the protocol or do whatever nefarious thing you can imagine, and force everybody to continue using it. Why not? Because altcoin." << um. might need to check those premises again, funkenstein_ 1090338;1428372832;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have a kind of image of just this animal in my head. but not earthling elephant, but the creature from '5th elephant' who i think of as 'desk elephant', or, alternatively, 'lisp elephant' 1090339;1428372844;mircea_popescu;could be, yeah 1090340;1428372850;mircea_popescu;nobody saw trompi afaik 1090341;1428372875;mircea_popescu;(the incantation literally is, "Trompi squeeze your balls and make it rain") 1090342;1428372910;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it may be the filter, i dunno. kinda impossibru to debug from my side. 1090343;1428372917;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VTsFtwO0u0 1090344;1428372918;assbot;Choking on a Cherry - The Fifth Element (5/8) Movie CLIP (1997) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8v9lf ) 1090345;1428372931;asciilifeform;^ what the elephant is for 1090346;1428372933;mircea_popescu;"This video is not available. 1090347;1428372934;mircea_popescu;Sorry about that." 1090348;1428372955;asciilifeform;wat 1090349;1428372957;asciilifeform;plays here 1090350;1428372975;mircea_popescu;mebbe i need a repricocity phee. 1090351;1428373002;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu aite, if it's not in your filter, it's not there. i guess we'll just have to blog platforms to the list of 'internet pillars to rebuild' 1090352;1428373018;mircea_popescu;or just learn how to run basic scripts ? :D 1090353;1428373030;pete_dushenski;mark my words, one day i will! 1090354;1428373032;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1090355;1428373079;mircea_popescu;it's not like the entire cookbook isn't actually given there eh ? ready for copy paste. 1090356;1428373096;mircea_popescu;how are you going to play eulora at this rate ? beg jews to binarize it for you ? 1090357;1428373109;Vexual;that'll be $35 1090358;1428373143;asciilifeform;'Ubiquiti demonstrated reckless disregard for U.S. sanction law, and allowed its wireless equipment to be exported into Iran through distributors located in the United Arab Emirates and Greece, according to a release from the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control. The firm had no compliance program at the time, according to the release. And even after Ubiquiti learned that the transactions broke U.S. law, the company all 1090359;1428373143;asciilifeform;owed them to continue for another year, until February 2011, OFAC said. The company said, in a filing released Thursday, that until early 2010 it didnt prohibit its distributors from selling its products to Iran. After it learned of the potential violations, the company said that it failed to immediately amend all its distribution agreements and to implement more robust compliance controls.' 1090360;1428373145;asciilifeform;^ mega-l0l 1090361;1428373191;asciilifeform;'It said in its prospectus that certain of its products were sold to Iran, Cuba, Syria, the Sudan and North Korea and that some of its encryption components were sold without the appropriate export authorization A review of Ubiquiti's sales to Iran by the Department of Commerce's Office of Export Enforcement earlier this year resulted in a warning letter, but no criminal or administrative prosecution or other penalties -- b 1090362;1428373191;asciilifeform;ut Ubiquiti remains under review by the Department .... ' 1090363;1428373215;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i dun really game, so... 1090364;1428373262;asciilifeform;of course, now we have a helpful recipe for determining whether it's a don't-give-a-fuck-shop or a usg honeypot - sue, and see if state secrets privilege is invoked... 1090365;1428373271;pete_dushenski;but yes, this boy has much to learn. 1090366;1428373415;asciilifeform;and, '...anyone with physical access to the end of the Ethernet cable to your Ubiquiti airOS-based device... ...can obtain the plain text configuration while leaving behind no trace that they dumped your configuration ...' 1090367;1428373457;asciilifeform;;;later tell decimation ^ iirc you were using a naked 'edgerouter' somewhere. the time to stop was - july. the second best time - now 1090368;1428373457;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1090369;1428373529;asciilifeform;(what it was - they left tftp on. in precisely the way we won't in 'pogotron') 1090370;1428373562;asciilifeform;^ unless we're all killed & replaced with impersonators, l0l 1090371;1428373572;mircea_popescu;what was nubbins` situation wit hthat btw 1090372;1428373574;asciilifeform;in which case it will certainly ask for tftp every time on boot. 1090373;1428373596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc he hammered in the command every time into the serial console 1090374;1428373611;mircea_popescu;no i mean, he was cleaning boot iirc ? 1090375;1428373616;asciilifeform;still saves time and wear on the nand vs flashing it in every time 1090376;1428373639;asciilifeform;in a production machine, 'uboot' should skip straight to loading from nand 1090377;1428373645;asciilifeform;'do not pass go, do not collect 200' 1090378;1428373682;mircea_popescu;myeah 1090379;1428373699;mircea_popescu;so yesterday, i get http://trilema.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/#comment-113450 im all like wtf. 1090380;1428373700;assbot;O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aErKnM ) 1090381;1428373710;mircea_popescu;today ... "For some reason or another, I can't see all of this content, it keeps disappearing? Are you taking advantage of java?" 1090382;1428373716;mircea_popescu;finally spam text that looked credible. 1090383;1428373751;asciilifeform;i get idiocy like this all the time. 1090384;1428373811;mircea_popescu;i dun think i saw this set b4. 1090385;1428373857;asciilifeform;they used to follow a similar pattern, e.g., 'this post is a very astute commentary on the subject, i should like to read another like it, please carry on the good work' etc. 1090386;1428374022;mircea_popescu;those i saw 1090387;1428374030;mircea_popescu;i mean the specific "error are you x" thing. 1090388;1428374056;mircea_popescu;spam masquerading error reports nao, the world simply can't exist w/o wots. 1090389;1428374071;asciilifeform;i am quite certain of having seen something quite like this before. and i knew that ~x 1090390;1428374073;asciilifeform;and so ignored. 1090391;1428374126;asciilifeform;'From my conversations with Ubiquiti, I have found that they claimed that it's alright to refuse to provide source code to GPL-licensed software if "This decision was taken with the security of the users in mind". Furthermore, my conversations were endlessly delayed by the supposed necessity to forward my query to another, unnamed, team.' << now we can probably say what. 1090392;1428374137;mircea_popescu;lol 1090393;1428374144;asciilifeform;usg contractor supplying boobytrapped goodies to the untermenschen 1090394;1428374148;mircea_popescu;"brb gotta ask nsa" 1090395;1428374194;asciilifeform;;;later tell decimation before you ceremonially burn that thing, or put openbsd on it, etc. consider posting the u-boot partition to #b-a warez (talk to kakobrekla?) 1090396;1428374194;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1090397;1428374205;mircea_popescu;this strange idea that people would discuss things with script robots. 1090398;1428374221;mircea_popescu;"if you conceivably have to forward my stuff to anyone, get off the line, i'm important." 1090399;1428374240;asciilifeform;betcha the bots are happy to speak with one another. 1090400;1428374246;asciilifeform;!s eliza parry 1090401;1428374247;assbot;4 results for 'eliza parry' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eliza+parry 1090402;1428374263;asciilifeform;http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/when-parry-met-eliza-a-ridiculous-chatbot-conversation-from-1972/372428 etc 1090403;1428374264;assbot;When PARRY Met ELIZA: A Ridiculous Chatbot Conversation From 1972 — The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8yDEq ) 1090404;1428374267;mircea_popescu;certainly. most of gdp in the "service economy" is exactly akin to running a bunch of elizas at each other. 1090405;1428374271;mircea_popescu;"they raised awareness" 1090406;1428374330;asciilifeform;PARRY: You should pay more attention. 1090407;1428374330;asciilifeform;ELIZA: Suppose you should pay more attention. 1090408;1428374330;asciilifeform;PARRY: You're entitled to your own opinion. 1090409;1428374330;asciilifeform;ELIZA: What makes you think I am entitled to my own opinion? 1090410;1428374349;Vexual;http://www.torontosun.com/2015/04/06/botox-doctor-reportedly-devastated-by-martin-short-parody-found-dead 1090411;1428374356;Vexual;best one wins 1090412;1428374464;mircea_popescu;why not link http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc439 ? 1090413;1428374465;assbot;RFC 439 - PARRY encounters the DOCTOR ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8z8yg ) 1090414;1428374477;mircea_popescu;theatlantic spamsite adds exactly nothing, hinders plenty. 1090415;1428374482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato, had no idea it lived there 1090416;1428374500;asciilifeform;though i hesitate to let ietf be a canonical copy of anything at this point - even this... 1090417;1428374506;decimation;asciilifeform: heh, I'm not sure if I'm running 'airos' on my edgerouter 1090418;1428374533;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc they all use the same uboot, which was the item in question 1090419;1428374569;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure. but it is the historical repository. 1090420;1428374577;asciilifeform;yes. 1090421;1428374611;decimation;asciilifeform: ah so does it only tftp on boot? 1090422;1428374613;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the ubiquiti example dovetails nicely with the thread re: unemployed reversers. if persians happily buy turdware, they either haven't many, or haven't any competent ones, or they are all occupied with something else (what ?) 1090423;1428374638;asciilifeform;decimation: it is a very common setting in a uboot used for dev work 1090424;1428374641;mircea_popescu;they haven't any. 1090425;1428374648;Vexual;you know, when i saw it first, i thought it was meant to be glenn stevens 1090426;1428374663;asciilifeform;decimation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html 1090427;1428374664;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8zHrV ) 1090428;1428374667;asciilifeform;^ example 1090429;1428374670;mircea_popescu;you think there exists anyone competent working in argentina, for instance ? 1090430;1428374685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not necessarily. but perhaps ar doesn't -need- any ? 1090431;1428374689;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.theamphour.com/243-an-interview-with-macrofab-macro-manufacturing-mechanization/ < interview with macrofab guys, with details of exactly what they use (Universal GSM2 pick n place) 1090432;1428374690;assbot;#243 – An interview with Macrofab – Macro Manufacturing Mechanization | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8zMMq ) 1090433;1428374691;asciilifeform;because the only industry is meat processing ? 1090434;1428374697;mircea_popescu;yeah, right. do you know what the fat feminist said to the other fat feminist ? 1090435;1428374702;mircea_popescu;"good thing we don't need men" 1090436;1428374727;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought the pattern was, 'don't need men, only their dough' ? 1090437;1428374742;mircea_popescu;no, it's, "because if we did or if we didn't, we still don't get any" 1090438;1428374754;Vexual;despite the botox, still very expressive 1090439;1428374764;mircea_popescu;because, there's like eight of them, and none of them have time for our stupid shit. 1090440;1428374778;mircea_popescu;such as you know, apostiles, or whatever. allah on a stick. 1090441;1428374798;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fact remains, they could get reversers. it's just another kind of craftsman, like heart surgeon. they would simply have to pay the fee 1090442;1428374804;asciilifeform;with extra pay for jungle conditions 1090443;1428374806;mircea_popescu;no, they could not. 1090444;1428374820;mircea_popescu;just like ohio can't get dramatic artists. 1090445;1428374840;mircea_popescu;just like tewkwhatever, mass can't get security experts. 1090446;1428374898;pete_dushenski;http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31908620 << this, is a new one for me 1090447;1428374899;assbot;BA flight forced to land early because of smelly poo - BBC Newsbeat ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8Aj0I ) 1090448;1428374916;pete_dushenski;"it's too smelly to fly" 1090449;1428374934;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is it because most folks need fallback employment if a job falls through? sure - but if a craftsman is needed badly, he will go on tour to antarctica. so long as the costs are covered. 1090450;1428374938;pete_dushenski;um, how about you suck it up and keep going 1090451;1428374941;asciilifeform;and why does a reverse engineer need to travel anyway 1090452;1428374946;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only if im inviting him. 1090453;1428374950;mircea_popescu;not if the fucking polar bears are. 1090454;1428374955;mircea_popescu;why would he care what polar bears say ? 1090455;1428374990;asciilifeform;if polar bears had a bag of money ? 1090456;1428375026;mircea_popescu;so what if they did. 1090457;1428375031;mircea_popescu;hunter'd get it. 1090458;1428375049;decimation;^ why? because you don't want to ship your strange 1090459;1428375072;ben_vulpes;chapter two in assquest: 1090460;1428375083;ben_vulpes;"navigate the buildroot menuconfig" 1090461;1428375092;asciilifeform;decimation: this, among other reasons, is why i live in a particular not altogether-pleasant place.. 1090462;1428375093;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand, nobody's denying men will go to the end of the earths. they will. but only with fredericus. 1090463;1428375141;decimation;asciilifeform: ugh, the ubquiti os has hardly any tools 1090464;1428375148;asciilifeform;decimation: pull the usb drive 1090465;1428375188;asciilifeform;decimation: it has the whole orchestra, minus a very small and possibly interesting micro-bootloader that loads uboot - iirc - on it 1090466;1428375202;decimation;but then I would need a mips64 build host 1090467;1428375206;decimation;I guess I can qemu 1090468;1428375270;asciilifeform;or hm, uboot is in the nor flash... 1090469;1428375270;*;asciilifeform gets out the serial cable, indignant 1090470;1428375270;decimation;yeah, I'm not sure where to probe 1090471;1428375270;asciilifeform;motherfuckers. 1090472;1428375271;ben_vulpes;perhaps i am behind the times, but is there a buildroot config that's been passed around? 1090473;1428375308;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yes. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000076.html 1090474;1428375309;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aEveH3 ) 1090475;1428375309;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ElPEkl ) 1090476;1428375317;ben_vulpes;ty, asciilifeform! 1090477;1428375340;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nubbins` was able to replicate result. 1090478;1428375348;asciilifeform;and i think someone else ( danielpbarron ? ) 1090479;1428375368;asciilifeform;decimation: you want a 'cisco cable' 1090480;1428375389;asciilifeform;decimation: it goes into the rj45 jack on the left. 1090481;1428375393;decimation;yeah I think I have one somewhere 1090482;1428375414;asciilifeform;decimation: 115200 baud, 8N1 1090483;1428375584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4383 @ 0.00028522 = 1.2501 BTC [+] {2} 1090484;1428375645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16567 @ 0.00029012 = 4.8064 BTC [+] 1090485;1428375661;decimation;ah it's just debian, can use apt-get 1090486;1428375671;asciilifeform;wai why ? 1090487;1428375678;decimation;to install warez 1090488;1428375681;asciilifeform;no you don't 1090489;1428375684;asciilifeform;just pull the usb 1090490;1428375694;asciilifeform;back it up (or replace with another) and put new os on that. 1090491;1428375723;asciilifeform;access uboot from the serial console, or, if replacing with another uboot, do so from the new os 1090492;1428375726;decimation;interesting here's the partition layout 1090493;1428375732;decimation; Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System 1090494;1428375734;decimation;/dev/sda1 2048 292863 145408 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) 1090495;1428375734;asciilifeform;(how old one behaves with regards to replacing uboot, i cannot say) 1090496;1428375735;decimation;/dev/sda2 292864 3710975 1709056 83 Linux 1090497;1428375740;asciilifeform;sda1 contains the kernel 1090498;1428375744;asciilifeform;sda2 is root fs 1090499;1428375748;decimation;yeah 1090500;1428375756;decimation;and it starts at 2048, so that's probably the bootloader? 1090501;1428375760;asciilifeform;why they did this - cannot say. possibly the responsible man last used linux in 1997 1090502;1428375773;asciilifeform;uboot on this box lives, apparently, in nor flash 1090503;1428375776;asciilifeform;sorta like pogo 1090504;1428375828;decimation;yeah, boot partition just has kernel 1090505;1428375847;asciilifeform;thing has jtag pins, iirc 1090506;1428375855;asciilifeform;so can be 'unbricked' if new uboot is botched 1090507;1428375859;asciilifeform;without soldering 1090508;1428375864;decimation;that's what I was wondering 1090509;1428375908;asciilifeform;a standard jtag probe of whatever kind you're partial to (i like 'bus blaster') and a copy of openocd is all you need 1090510;1428375972;asciilifeform;'As evidence, consider that in version 5.5.4 of the AirMax firmware, the kernel was modified such that the MTD partitions would be read only, however this change cannot be found in the corresponding kernel patches or source.' 1090511;1428375981;decimation;^I have 'edgemax' 1090512;1428375982;asciilifeform;^ lulzies! they very much don't want you replacing that uboot. 1090513;1428375985;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ 1090514;1428376007;asciilifeform;one doesn't need an expert usgologist to say what happened here. 1090515;1428376008;mircea_popescu;no i saw that. 1090516;1428376011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00028012 = 7.9974 BTC [-] {2} 1090517;1428376022;asciilifeform;what exquisite idiocy 1090518;1428376044;asciilifeform;i bet reflash fails silently if done from edgeos 1090519;1428376068;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo you have one somewhere iirc ? try this 1090520;1428376094;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I have/had plans to acquire one 1090521;1428376112;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: worth your while for the epic public rape of the morons 1090522;1428376135;asciilifeform;to the extent they were not already raped in the 'liberty bsd' piece and in this here thread 1090523;1428376136;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which is why the patches have to stay unpublished. 1090524;1428376212;decimation;asciilifeform: they have weird stuff mounted for storing configs: 1090525;1428376222;decimation;none on /opt/vyatta/config type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,nr_inodes=300000,mode=775) 1090526;1428376268;asciilifeform;i think i can see why ubiquiti was picked for this particular role in the usg shitgnome muppet theatre 1090527;1428376286;mircea_popescu;It was the first, and being first, was best, but now we lay it down to ever rest. Now pause with me a moment, shed some tears. 1090528;1428376287;mircea_popescu;For auld lang syne, for love, for years and years of faithful service, duty done, I weep. Lay down thy packet, now, O friend, and sleep. 1090529;1428376289;decimation;they seem kinda derpy software-wise 1090530;1428376292;mircea_popescu;^ i had no idea cerf was also a poet. 1090531;1428376295;mircea_popescu;shit's pretty good. 1090532;1428376328;asciilifeform;it sold routers that gave very reasonable performance for 1/20th the cost of cisco et al 1090533;1428376349;asciilifeform;these became popular, presumably, with 'orcs' on a budget 1090534;1428376415;asciilifeform;also note how there is none of this (or the other let's-sell-boobietrapped-goods-to-persians) 'shartups') in the snowden releases. 1090535;1428376440;decimation;http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/ERLITE-3_U-Boot 1090536;1428376443;assbot;ERLITE-3 U-Boot - Crashcourse Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8EMR5 ) 1090537;1428376481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's not a bad point. 1090538;1428376489;asciilifeform;'There are actually two copies of the bootloader in the NOR flash: the first one is failsafe, and doing bootloaderupdate will replace the second image. Basically after the CPU comes out of reset, it boots the failsafe bootloader image (the first one) in the NOR flash. The failsafe finds and boots the actual bootloader image (the second one) in the NOR flash. This bootloader then loads the kernel from the USB drive and boots it 1090539;1428376489;asciilifeform;.' 1090540;1428376492;asciilifeform;ahahahahahahaha. 1090541;1428376543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it -is- possible that he had some but none made it past the greenwalds 1090542;1428376557;mircea_popescu;it is possible he never had any through no fault of his own. 1090543;1428376559;asciilifeform;and the schneiers 1090544;1428376564;asciilifeform;that - also possible 1090545;1428376568;decimation;^ascii, one wonders if you can replace the 'failsafe' 1090546;1428376569;mircea_popescu;like if i behead you i might not get any pancreas tissue on the blade. 1090547;1428376579;asciilifeform;aha exactly like 1090548;1428376595;asciilifeform;would have to behead lengthwise 1090549;1428376605;mircea_popescu;not necessarily proof that you weren't beheaded. 1090550;1428376609;asciilifeform;correct. 1090551;1428376620;asciilifeform;decimation: if it's in the nor, can be replaced, only question is how 1090552;1428376876;decimation;asciilifeform: ah! /dev/mtdblock0 1090553;1428376885;decimation;admin@ubnt:/dev$ cat /dev/mtdblock0 | hexdump -C | head 1090554;1428376886;decimation;00000000 10 00 01 3f 00 00 00 00 42 4f 4f 54 bf 6a 14 53 |...?....BOOT.j.S| 1090555;1428376888;decimation;00000010 00 c0 00 01 00 02 4e 22 00 06 70 20 67 0c 5e e5 |......N"..p g.^.| 1090556;1428376889;decimation;00000020 ff ff ff ff c0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 |................| 1090557;1428376890;mircea_popescu;ha 1090558;1428376891;decimation;00000030 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| 1090559;1428376892;decimation;* 1090560;1428376894;decimation;00000200 10 00 02 08 24 1a 02 00 10 00 02 04 00 00 00 00 |....$...........| 1090561;1428376895;decimation;00000210 10 00 02 02 00 00 00 00 10 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 |................| 1090562;1428376897;decimation;00000220 10 00 01 fe 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 fc 00 00 00 00 |................| 1090563;1428376898;decimation;00000230 10 00 01 fa 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 f8 00 00 00 00 |................| 1090564;1428376900;decimation;00000240 10 00 01 f6 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 f4 00 00 00 00 |................| 1090565;1428376904;mircea_popescu;he didn't paste the whole thing did he 1090566;1428376909;decimation;heh no 1090567;1428376990;decimation;asciilifeform: would you be interested in a dump of that? 1090568;1428377719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82433 @ 0.00029149 = 24.0284 BTC [+] {4} 1090569;1428377780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9617 @ 0.00029242 = 2.8122 BTC [+] 1090570;1428378122;*;asciilifeform went & got some of the spiders out of his mircea_popescu's-conference-travel-trunk. now back 1090571;1428378147;asciilifeform;decimation: yes. 1090572;1428378158;decimation;there are apparently 3 'images' 1090573;1428378161;decimation;mtd0,1,2 1090574;1428378174;asciilifeform;drop it somewhere it won't be tampered with, & sign it (ok if you wanna gpg it to wot folks instead of publicly) 1090575;1428378218;asciilifeform;though i can't fathom they'd have the gall to try censoring uboot as 'warez' 1090576;1428378237;asciilifeform;it being gpl and all 1090577;1428378240;decimation;it appears mtd0,1 are identical 1090578;1428378246;asciilifeform;decimation: then this'd be it 1090579;1428378258;decimation;I think you can download the 'open source' turds from ubquiti 1090580;1428378266;asciilifeform;decimation: see earlier link re: this 1090581;1428378281;decimation;mtd2 appears to be a configuation area, it starts with a hex string that equals my h/w serial number 1090582;1428378287;asciilifeform;decimation: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090249 1090583;1428378287;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 01:27:30; BingoBoingo: http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << Incredilol 1090584;1428378289;mircea_popescu;decimation so they have TWO hidden ones ? 1090585;1428378294;mircea_popescu;that do what, test for identity ? 1090586;1428378306;asciilifeform;decimation: probably licensing turd for their proprietary kmod 1090587;1428378311;asciilifeform;that and for boobytrap 1090588;1428378362;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090538 1090589;1428378362;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 03:14:49; asciilifeform: 'There are actually two copies of the bootloader in the NOR flash: the first one is failsafe, and doing bootloaderupdate will replace the second image. Basically after the CPU comes out of reset, it boots the failsafe bootloader image (the first one) in the NOR flash. The failsafe finds and boots the actual bootloader image (the second one) in the NOR flash. This bootloader then loads the kernel from 1090590;1428378380;mircea_popescu;i thought for a moment they had three copies. 1090591;1428378449;asciilifeform;won't someone buy one of these things and hook up to jtag bugger driven with gdb, and post instruction stream ? 1090592;1428378456;asciilifeform;i have one, yes. but not the time. 1090593;1428378504;asciilifeform;i still don't get this: 1090594;1428378518;asciilifeform;could the idiots not be bothered to ship -separate- turds to ir ? 1090595;1428378536;asciilifeform;why did it have to be so obvious. 1090596;1428378541;asciilifeform;is it a plot to waste -our- time ? 1090597;1428378560;decimation;asciilifeform: do you think that jtag will show something that these mtd turds don't 1090598;1428378600;asciilifeform;decimation: i bet there is obfuscation. so dynamic analysis might be appropriate 1090599;1428378621;asciilifeform;but ideally, both. 1090600;1428378637;decimation;possibly. it would probably require considerably detailed examination to watch the thing boot 1090601;1428378663;mircea_popescu;i really dunno why we'd give a shit. 1090602;1428378665;asciilifeform;first, look to see if copy-1 does anything -other- and load & jump to copy-2. 1090603;1428378707;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because this could be just the necessary lethal stab to the 'nuclear iran' shillfest. 1090604;1428378719;mircea_popescu;... 1090605;1428378724;mircea_popescu;aren't you a little late ? 1090606;1428378731;mircea_popescu;iran is a nuclear power now. obama said so himself. 1090607;1428378731;decimation;^ to be clear, I have edgerouter, not 'airmax' 1090608;1428378750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: su was also nuclear power, didn't keep the buggers from shipping diddled tech there by the gigatonne 1090609;1428378751;decimation;no he said that they would have to wait awhile and fill out usg forms 1090610;1428378804;mircea_popescu;decimation from what i've seen, the deal with iran is exactly like the deal with cuba and every other deal conquered US has entered into : 1090611;1428378812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the racket in question here is where usg plays hand-muppets and runs faux 'we're l337, we sell to 1r4n' at the same time as 'proletariat united against ir nukes' on the other muppet hand 1090612;1428378815;mircea_popescu;they agree to everything the op demands, and pay for the paper memorializing it. 1090613;1428378862;decimation;yeah but usg ensures that they have a press op where they say the opposite 1090614;1428378908;asciilifeform;nothing punctures shitgnomes like a public, non-plausiblydeniable still-smoking 'nsakey' unhinted at in any 'leak' 1090615;1428378948;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1090616;1428379021;asciilifeform;incidentally, usg doctrine is that 'fresh' nuke powers don't really 'count' - much as usa did not count in 1947 because, elementarily, not enough of the specific industrial base to secure a steady supply of nukes 1090617;1428379039;asciilifeform;they believe that it can be 'undone' as SAR was 1090618;1428379122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00029246 = 9.695 BTC [+] {2} 1090619;1428379137;asciilifeform;in other news: cryptome is hosting a malicious pdf... http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-ptpof.pdf 1090620;1428379140;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGez1p ) 1090621;1428379289;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1090622;1428379310;asciilifeform;i do not know the payload yet. 1090623;1428379315;asciilifeform;but srsly wtf 1090624;1428379325;asciilifeform;and why did it have to be so obvious. 1090625;1428379359;mircea_popescu;in yet another shade of lulz : berkshire does not offer its many directors dso. because buffett believes you know, officers should face the music like any other shareholder. except it does offer it to buffett. because... 1090626;1428379394;asciilifeform;dso? 1090627;1428379437;mircea_popescu;insurance for being on a public corp board. 1090628;1428379476;mircea_popescu;d&0 not dso. 1090629;1428379561;asciilifeform;what does it insure against ? 1090630;1428379587;mircea_popescu;any liability that may attach to one from his being a director or officer. 1090631;1428379603;asciilifeform;iirc it is not permissible in usa to insure against criminal prosecution 1090632;1428379607;asciilifeform;at least, not directly 1090633;1428379621;*;asciilifeform ianal 1090634;1428379656;mircea_popescu;this'd be for civil not for criminal matter. 1090635;1428379661;asciilifeform;aha. 1090636;1428379667;decimation;asciilifeform: http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX/Lost-password/td-p/490573 > "Creating 3 MTD partitions on "phys_mapped_flash": 0x000000000000-0x000000080000 : "boot0" 0x000000080000-0x000000100000 : "boot1" 0x000000300000-0x000000310000 : "eeprom"" 1090637;1428379670;assbot; Lost password? - Ubiquiti Networks Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGgS4k ) 1090638;1428379726;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://proudtobeafilthyslut.tumblr.com/post/107315640663/dirtiestdepravedfilth-happy-new-year 1090639;1428379727;assbot;Self-Proclaimed slut | dirtiestdepravedfilth: Happy new year! ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGh7fR ) 1090640;1428379738;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform how can you tell that cryptome pdf is laced ? 1090641;1428379770;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: buggy 1090642;1428379784;pete_dushenski;hmm 1090643;1428379791;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: in that it demands to be viewed on genuine winblows crapobat 1090644;1428379796;asciilifeform;explicitlu. 1090645;1428379809;pete_dushenski;that's pretty fucked 1090646;1428379826;asciilifeform;decimation: eeprom !?! 1090647;1428379837;Vexual;here, jewintro, rub the front and the back of your hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE 1090648;1428379857;asciilifeform;incidentally.... 1090649;1428379861;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu so i finally mod'd your fix_trackbacks.php, uploaded it, and... it doesn't even show up. now i'm supposed to call customer support or some shit 1090650;1428379863;asciilifeform;http://hilo90mhz.com/ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite-erlite-3-internal-usb-storage-fail << phison !!! 1090651;1428379865;assbot;Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite ERLite-3 – Internal USB Storage Failure | hilo90mhz ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGhG9q ) 1090652;1428379885;asciilifeform;don't throw it out! 1090653;1428379887;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski lulwat. 1090654;1428379894;asciilifeform;phisons are rare, precious 1090655;1428379900;asciilifeform;(or soon to be.) 1090656;1428379917;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, it does appear to contain something specific to their hardware 1090657;1428379927;decimation;in the airOs mtd2 is labeled 'kernel' 1090658;1428379938;decimation;but as we already established, the kernel is in the usb key 1090659;1428379939;Vexual;here i remember when that kid rode in on a tricycle 1090660;1428379949;joecool;phison, now that's a name i haven't heard in awhile 1090661;1428379957;asciilifeform;!s phison 1090662;1428379958;assbot;3 results for 'phison' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phison 1090663;1428379962;asciilifeform;srsly? 1090664;1428379977;joecool;my ancient eeepc 901 had phison ssd's in it, first ssd's i ever had 1090665;1428380031;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu http://contravex.com/fix_trackbacks.php << my understanding is that this should yield errors if it doesn't work, but it's blank as a freshly painted wall. 1090666;1428380037;asciilifeform;joecool: phison is a maker of cheap usb keychain drives that contain general-purpose micros. an ad hoc sdk was published recently. i had something quite like it, unpublished, in 2012; and hell knows how many other folks also did 1090667;1428380073;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski didja set up your db pw etc in there ? 1090668;1428380088;asciilifeform;you can convert the thing into a disk that perverts blocks in a particular way, or emulates a keyboard and types in obscenities, etc, etc. 1090669;1428380120;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i did indeed, though you're right that i should fiddle with those values because there's a reasonable chance i got them wrong! 1090670;1428380261;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu btw should "table_prefix" be set to "wp_comments" or similar ? 1090671;1428380273;mircea_popescu;mmm 1090672;1428380306;mircea_popescu;i think the structure's copied after wp-config or /we the file is called where wp keeps its password in plaintext. 1090673;1428380312;mircea_popescu;so w/e you got there. 1090674;1428380368;decimation;of interest in the 'macrofab' podcast: apparently they load the pick n' place with house parts only, and all the other 'unique' chips for each design are hand-placed 1090675;1428380392;decimation;they do all the assembly in houston, but currently contract pcb out 1090676;1428380414;decimation;but they are looking into in-house pcb for 24-hour turnaround assembly! 1090677;1428380428;asciilifeform;decimation: their 'hand-placed' probably involves a mechanically-cranked apparatus. or someone with much better hands than i 1090678;1428380446;decimation;I suspect they pay good rates for competent techs 1090679;1428380463;decimation;they are 'angel funded' but I think he said they can turn a profit at current prices 1090680;1428380483;asciilifeform;who, one might wonder, do they use? chinese gurlz flown in for the occasion ? 1090681;1428380486;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu ok, i'll keep crackin' 1090682;1428380513;asciilifeform;or simply the fact of the p&p machine being loaded by hand from clips instead of magazine ? 1090683;1428380514;decimation;asciilifeform: I suspect retired old women who worked in electronics assembly 1090684;1428380529;asciilifeform;at any rate, this is not 'woodcollector' and i don't much give a hoot -how- the parts get on the board 1090685;1428380534;asciilifeform;so long as they - do.. 1090686;1428380534;decimation;he said they use trays with mixed chips 1090687;1428380562;asciilifeform;decimation: trays are typically for items above soic16 or so in size 1090688;1428380570;asciilifeform;at all small houses 1090689;1428380577;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu and thx for the tech support :) 1090690;1428380587;decimation;they found all of their machines used at auction 1090691;1428380591;asciilifeform;i have trouble believing they put 0805 resistors on by hand, ever 1090692;1428380604;asciilifeform;because, elementarily, there is no reason to, if you have the machine. 1090693;1428380604;decimation;no, he said those would go on p&p 1090694;1428380616;decimation;they go down to 0402 on the p&p 1090695;1428380617;asciilifeform;decimation: but if not 'house part' ? 1090696;1428380630;decimation;well, if in large quantity, in p&p, otherwise by hand 1090697;1428380630;asciilifeform;virtually none of my items were 'house' 1090698;1428380641;decimation;I suspect mostly hand placed 1090699;1428380648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00028957 = 10.6562 BTC [-] 1090700;1428380675;asciilifeform;if so - someone has excellent hands and ought to be earning a living horseshoeing fleas for a flea circus or the like. 1090701;1428380685;decimation;heh there are such folks 1090702;1428380695;decimation;apparently houston has 30 assembly houses 1090703;1428380703;decimation;so there's probably a quantity of skilled labor 1090704;1428380768;asciilifeform;surgeons once did (still do?) have the habit of tying knots in fishing line inside a matchbox, every day 1090705;1428380788;asciilifeform;(very short piece of line) 1090706;1428380809;asciilifeform;decimation: most 'assembly houses' do nothing remotely like placing any quantity whatsoever of 0402 by hand 1090707;1428380812;asciilifeform;for any amount of money 1090708;1428380839;decimation;asciilifeform: they probably use something like http://www.ddmnovastar.com/pick-and-place/manual-systems/mpp-21-pick-and-place-system 1090709;1428380840;assbot;Manual Pick and Place Machine, Low Cost SMT System, Model MPP-21 DDM Novastar ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGlw2k ) 1090710;1428380859;*;asciilifeform almost bought this item once 1090711;1428380874;asciilifeform;i'll let herr woodcollector decide if this counts as 'by hand'. 1090712;1428380893;decimation;heh 1090713;1428380907;decimation;well, with that I must retire, good evening 1090714;1428380910;decimation;!down decimation 1090715;1428380933;Vexual;poor fuck is prolly suicide oney on aussie dollar 1090716;1428380969;*;Vexual says no rate cut 1090717;1428380994;Vexual;its monyly oney 1090718;1428381002;asciilifeform;wut 1090719;1428381035;Vexual;well the rba is going to say in less than aminute whether or not they change the interest rate 1090720;1428381064;Vexual;it will have an effect on foreign exchange markets 1090721;1428381079;Vexual;and.. the market was wrong 1090722;1428381149;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual 1090723;1428381340;mircea_popescu; heh there are such folks << yeah, ever since surgery moved to computers. 1090724;1428381343;Vexual;who gives a shit about the aussie dollar now anyway 1090725;1428381345;mircea_popescu;most of them unemployed 1090726;1428382005;Vexual;why can't i trade sundried tomatoe futures? its supposed to be the fooking future 1090727;1428382075;Vexual;!s hotsauce 1090728;1428382076;assbot;3 results for 'hotsauce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hotsauce 1090729;1428382093;Vexual;cute 1090730;1428382322;Vexual;there an article in the afr about fast algos on treasury bonds, and its wanting 1090731;1428382416;Vexual;let me find the name 1090732;1428382432;Vexual;prolly "staff writer" 1090733;1428382473;Vexual;nope i think someone stole the tech pages 1090734;1428382539;Vexual;here it is,; shapiro 1090735;1428382567;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEjw-OkMv3w 1090736;1428382744;Vexual;and page 16 is trolli 1090737;1428382788;Vexual;choke on your cherry kid, you dont get it 1090738;1428382838;Vexual;tell the editor you want the article on one page, otherwise it editorial 1090739;1428383196;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1090740;1428383363;BingoBoingo;!up liquidassets 1090741;1428383523;Vexual;like how do these unnamed organisations do what theyre doing 1090742;1428383611;Vexual;!up marteen 1090743;1428383619;Vexual;indeed 1090744;1428383630;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7d8BYJy8I 1090745;1428384140;Vexual;yo ben10, i can notarize your nameing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298nld4Yfds 1090746;1428384282;Vexual;might not float tho 1090747;1428384950;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDJu7r6OUvk 1090748;1428386320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00028732 = 4.4247 BTC [-] {2} 1090749;1428391347;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090248 <<< this thing https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1386/37/1386372286519.gif 1090750;1428391347;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 01:27:08; asciilifeform: doesn't ring a bell 1090751;1428391351;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeKYem ) 1090752;1428391492;cazalla;!up Vexual 1090753;1428391505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00028521 = 4.9912 BTC [-] {2} 1090754;1428391507;Vexual;loooks like allen ginsberg 1090755;1428391524;cazalla;Vexual, it's from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ihcfJdAMs 1090756;1428391524;assbot;Know your meme , Le happy merchant (the origin) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKHIqX ) 1090757;1428391528;cazalla;a /pol/ fav 1090758;1428391669;Vexual;i emplore you to learn your memes 1090759;1428391678;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67u2fmYz7S4 1090760;1428391727;Vexual;this shitsgot ben10, where we know its useful 1090761;1428391836;Vexual;obvo some punkman versio' 1090762;1428391931;Vexual;her we might describe that best curly haircut 1090763;1428391946;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IdtqFf95g 1090764;1428392018;Vexual;very lisp 1090765;1428392070;cazalla;Vexual, i swear i better understood you when i was drinking more 1090766;1428392090;Vexual;yes, im approaching rehabness 1090767;1428392224;Vexual;i understood you wehn you were drinking moar tooz 1090768;1428392256;Vexual;such is lief 1090769;1428392274;cazalla;have not been able to do so the past few weeks 1090770;1428392295;Vexual;this is good 1090771;1428392433;Vexual;oh,myou know this one? 1090772;1428392511;cazalla;which? 1090773;1428392522;cazalla;your jukebox? can't play atm 1090774;1428392542;cazalla;wouldn't want the missus to actually think i'm enjoying myself while she feeds bubs 1090775;1428392554;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IdtqFf95g boy or gal? 1090776;1428392593;cazalla;much the same until puberty eh? 1090777;1428392613;Vexual;es no importante 1090778;1428392638;Vexual;kids need the mp4 script eh? 1090779;1428392659;Vexual;ie not kids, but kids 1090780;1428392682;cazalla;the fuck is an mp4 script 1090781;1428392694;cazalla;you're too drunk.. or not drunk enough 1090782;1428392698;Vexual;liek when yr 6 mo ya dont need jewtube 1090783;1428392704;Vexual;whaaa? 1090784;1428392750;Vexual; hear al lotta no fLASH, OR I PREFER THIS PARTICULAR SONG,, 1090785;1428392773;Vexual;romainians say htgis song or that 1090786;1428392868;Vexual;cunts preferent a bus 1090787;1428392884;Vexual;or a plane. if they check da specs 1090788;1428392925;Vexual;ben10 dissed me once, hoped i dont have kids 1090789;1428392957;Vexual;only tiem my feeling ever got hurt, its ok tho, hes my cousin 1090790;1428393091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00028991 = 5.8562 BTC [+] {2} 1090791;1428393131;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6FhS8jMHE 1090792;1428394921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00029069 = 2.1802 BTC [+] 1090793;1428395417;Adlai;BingoBoingo: sup 1090794;1428395436;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Not too much, just playing ;;seen who 1090795;1428395483;Adlai;;;seen gabriel_laddel 1090796;1428395484;gribble;gabriel_laddel was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason. << the lady doth protest too much, methinks 1090797;1428395499;*;Adlai still waiting on matasune dox 1090798;1428395505;Adlai;er, masamune 1090799;1428396460;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090780 << actually, that's how people compile code these days. jam and autom4te. 1090800;1428396460;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 07:44:42; cazalla: the fuck is an mp4 script 1090801;1428396708;BingoBoingo;!t m x.eur 1090802;1428396708;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0043896 / 0.00439045 / 0.00439218 (66 shares, 0.29 BTC), 7D: 0.00438911 / 0.00439255 / 0.00439781 (1056 shares, 4.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00204279 / 0.00417471 / 0.00451772 (3405 shares, 14.21 BTC) 1090803;1428396948;kakobrekla;i guess it will be relevant for some; 1090804;1428396950;kakobrekla;http://reventlov.com/advisories/using-the-docker-command-to-root-the-host 1090805;1428396952;assbot; Using the docker command to root the host (totally not a security issue) // reventlov's silly hacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV0Dz ) 1090806;1428396961;kakobrekla;rehashed again https://reclaim-your-privacy.com/wiki/Anonabox_Analysis 1090807;1428396963;assbot;Anonabox Analysis - Reclaim Your Privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV1rl ) 1090808;1428396969;kakobrekla;http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/04/8565469/students-fret-over-venmo-payments-alleged-drug-dealer 1090809;1428396970;assbot;Students fret over Venmo payments to alleged drug dealer | Capital New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKUZQ8 ) 1090810;1428396977;kakobrekla;https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption 1090811;1428396978;assbot;ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV2vi ) 1090812;1428396982;mircea_popescu;o.O 1090813;1428396989;kakobrekla;also lulzy https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-15-090-03 1090814;1428396991;assbot;Hospira MedNet Vulnerabilities | ICS-CERT ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV3Q3 ) 1090815;1428397003;mircea_popescu;!up ug_ 1090816;1428397017;kakobrekla;> Shellshock was almost discovered a decade ago... http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-8.html#ss8.8 but then it wasn't. 1090817;1428397018;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV5qR ) 1090818;1428397053;mircea_popescu;"A representative for Venmo would not respond specifically to the question whether they were helping police with their investigation into Getzler" 1090819;1428397055;kakobrekla;lol check it out > anonabox bad news: can get a root shell via local ipv6 with hardcoded root password "admin" 1090820;1428397056;mircea_popescu;aint that weird. 1090821;1428397170;mircea_popescu;dude the way the world spins. the dons of the 50s didn't approve of drugs, at all. then in the late 60s it was like, "whatever, sell them to blacks, they don't have a soul anwyay". then in the 80s it was "whatever, sell them but don't let anyone know". by now it's like... "sell drugs and write opinions for the spectator and send the customer list spam emails to upvote you" 1090822;1428397192;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla wait im still digesting your dump lol. 1090823;1428397256;mircea_popescu;meanwhile "criminal possession in the seventh degree", they are going to run out of degrees. best talk to imperial china for some more degrees. 1090824;1428397360;mircea_popescu;and columbia's not even a party school. 1090825;1428397455;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes check it out yo, docker's no good >:D 1090826;1428397483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00027581 = 14.0387 BTC [-] {4} 1090827;1428397864;mircea_popescu;!up vorandrew 1090828;1428398078;vorandrew;Put some options quotes 1090829;1428398086;vorandrew;BTC/USD 1090830;1428398090;mircea_popescu;http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-8.html#ss8.8 but << this is actually a pretty great read. 1090831;1428398091;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKYlmn ) 1090832;1428398444;mircea_popescu;"If the siteA string is empty, it is taken to be the local machine. A target like @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@victim would cause high load by recursive finger invocations, and could be used to contribute to a DOS attack. Michael H. Warfield reports that in a SUN NIS environment it is easy to kill a network using finger." 1090833;1428398459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.0002717 = 9.4823 BTC [-] 1090834;1428398459;mircea_popescu;heh. 1090835;1428399526;mircea_popescu;"So yeah, the Anonabox appears to be working but it is downright shocking that the WiFi connection is running unencrypted. Anybody within range of the Anonabox can connect to the network and sniff all network traffic." 1090836;1428399534;mircea_popescu;it's fucking weird it uses wifi i nthe first place o.O 1090837;1428399543;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you want your tor router quietly on a cable ? 1090838;1428400064;mircea_popescu;that Lars Bgild Thomsen dude... nice work on the anonybox piece of crud. however... he's embedding facebook, running a wiki and a phpbb forum he wants you to comment on, there's no way to leave a comment on his article (wp blog) without "being logged in" and in general what the shit already. 1090839;1428400272;mircea_popescu;"BACKGROUND Hospira is a US-based company that maintains offices in several countries around the world." ... srsly ? us-cert.gov is a pr service now ? "please god anything, some text in here to dilute this shit o lord" 1090840;1428400304;chetty;that must be logged in or use whatever social media thing is getting very annoying for sure 1090841;1428400359;mircea_popescu;and for the record, github has given up on being on the web. http://dpaste.com/0ZQN8Q7 1090842;1428400360;assbot;dpaste: 0ZQN8Q7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHbYnZ ) 1090843;1428400433;mircea_popescu;who the fuck thought this is a good idea ? 1090844;1428400459;mircea_popescu;let's make glibc no longer compile statically and github not work. that'll make the foss so much better. 1090845;1428400533;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/6fb23babc4e23a4f710c4112e52af62e/tumblr_nhkmfmRhb41tonrdjo1_400.gif 1090846;1428400534;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yRsStz ) 1090847;1428400960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.0002717 = 3.2604 BTC [-] 1090848;1428402790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.01000107 = 1.0001 BTC [-] {3} 1090849;1428403296;mircea_popescu;in today's lol at people who are not lawyers but think they are : quora has a tos and a special-for-usg tos. the tos says it's the only agreement between user and quora. the special-for-usg tos says "language in the Quora ToS and Quora Privacy Policy indicating it alone is the entire agreement between the Parties is waived" 1090850;1428403301;mircea_popescu;sadly... this isn't how this works. 1090851;1428403347;mircea_popescu;but in any case, the comparison between the two is kind-of funny, for the very bored student of decaying empires, and of the cruft their decay pushes into the margins. 1090852;1428403422;*;punkman fondly remembers the "by entering this website you promise you aren't a USG agent" 1090853;1428403453;mircea_popescu;that was a thing ? 1090854;1428403465;mircea_popescu;"Quora hereby agrees not to serve or display any third party commercial advertisements or solicitations on the profile page of any user who uses the Quora Services on the Agency's behalf as identified by associating a .gov or .mil email address with the Quora account" 1090855;1428403465;punkman;oh yeah, super common in the olden days 1090856;1428403467;mircea_popescu;etc. lol. 1090857;1428403488;mircea_popescu;punkman was this on script kiddie venues ? 1090858;1428403538;punkman;various things like that, yes 1090859;1428403705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9496 @ 0.0002729 = 2.5915 BTC [+] 1090860;1428404600;punkman;http://recode.net/2015/04/06/u-s-announces-first-antitrust-e-commerce-prosecution/ 1090861;1428404602;assbot;Man Prosecuted for Price Fixing on Amazon Marketplace | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1Chf4cc ) 1090862;1428405453;mircea_popescu;ahaha what 1090863;1428405498;mircea_popescu;"saying a man has agreed to plead guilty to conspiring to illegally fix the prices of posters he sold online." 1090864;1428405504;mircea_popescu;posters. 1090865;1428405559;punkman;there's a ton of companies selling price fixing software, they call it "repricing" 1090866;1428405567;mircea_popescu;meanwhile you can't get a competing quote on your fucking health insurance. 1090867;1428405569;punkman;maybe the guy didn't pay enough taxes? 1090868;1428405606;mircea_popescu;but hey, protecting "the american consumer" from price fixing in commodified markets by actors who are in no way in control of the production flux is worth the federal dime now. 1090869;1428407246;funkenstein_;good morning 1090870;1428407258;funkenstein_;takes me all day to (barely) catch up on logs here 1090871;1428407268;funkenstein_;i hope i get quicker 1090872;1428407279;funkenstein_;!up dub 1090873;1428407303;mircea_popescu;you're not teh only one. 1090874;1428407319;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/John_Brennan_CIA_official_portrait.jpg << why's this guy have such a thug mug, and wtf happened to his eyes ? 1090875;1428407323;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3vpMs ) 1090876;1428407450;mats;https://github.com/emsec/ChameleonMini/ 1090877;1428407451;assbot;emsec/ChameleonMini · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1afLHAs ) 1090878;1428407477;funkenstein_;am i correct in summing up turd polishing discussions, that once DNS is fully removed static linking will be back on the table? 1090879;1428407485;mats;contactless smartcard emulator. 1090880;1428407536;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ static linking of what ? as far as bitcoind specifically goes, iirc nubbins` reported he managed one. 1090881;1428407799;funkenstein_;yes bitcoind. I'm glad to hear that, i was worried by some of the discussion revealing more issues in gcc / linux. 1090882;1428407837;funkenstein_;"version" : 50301, 1090883;1428407837;funkenstein_; "balance" : 0.00000000, 1090884;1428407837;funkenstein_; "blocks" : 339415, 1090885;1428407874;funkenstein_;lunchtime, back soon 1090886;1428407957;mircea_popescu;lulziest shit of all time : "Drone strikes are associated with decreases in both the frequency and the lethality of militant attacks overall and in IED and suicide attacks specifically." ~RAND Corporation. 1090887;1428407980;mircea_popescu;orly ? this is like romanian electoral polling data. strictly contradictory to plain evidence, but hey, "it's an institution!111" 1090888;1428407995;mircea_popescu;yeah. an institution you made for the purpose of putting out false "studies". 1090889;1428408062;mircea_popescu;meanwhile everyone in pakistan thinks the us the enemy, and their interior minister thinks ~2k out of ~2k strikes actually missed their mark and killed random people instead. 1090890;1428408915;chetty;that publishing of 'studies' and 'polls' may be one of the greatest ills of our times 1090891;1428409037;funkenstein_;A is associated with decreases in the frequency of A 1090892;1428409090;funkenstein_;more is less 1090893;1428411148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00027119 = 5.017 BTC [-] 1090894;1428411825;funkenstein_;https://nacla.org/news/2015/04/06/where-argentine-debt-case-stands-now-and-why-it-still-matters 1090895;1428411827;assbot;Where the Argentine Debt Case Stands Now, and Why it Still Matters | NACLA ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk7Fi0 ) 1090896;1428412439;nubbins`;hi 1090897;1428412442;nubbins`;i did indeed report one 1090898;1428412462;nubbins`;can post the turd if anyone's curious, but without instructions on how to replciate, it's just that -- a turd 1090899;1428412494;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> posters. <<< oh fuck 1090900;1428412655;nubbins`;mircea_popescu:what was nubbins` situation wit hthat btw <<< my current boot order is mmc->usb->tftp->nand 1090901;1428412681;nubbins`;altho fwiw i suspect tftp-boot just hangs if there's no kernel present on the wire 1090902;1428412783;nubbins`;ben_vulpes:perhaps i am behind the times, but is there a buildroot config that's been passed around? <<< it's a bit of a frankenstein... i run make pogoplug_defconfig and then i run make nconfig to set a handful of extra flags 1090903;1428412797;nubbins`;haven't had the time to actually diff a .config before and after and turn it into a patch 1090904;1428412831;nubbins`;but in nconfig, you'll need to enable at least: large file (>2gb) support, ipv6 support, rpc support, wchar support, c++ support, stack protection 1090905;1428412884;nubbins`;some of those maybe can be ditched once bitcoind gets trimmed down... but these are all just toolchain options, so if you can bear the extra compile time, it's not like it'll make your kernel any fatter 1090906;1428413059;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i took it you were working on teh instructions 1090907;1428413084;nubbins`;duod they're right there ^ ! 1090908;1428413122;mircea_popescu;"but without instructions on how to replciate, it's just that -- a turd" 1090909;1428413123;mircea_popescu;where ? 1090910;1428413134;nubbins`;oh THOSE instructions, yeah 1090911;1428413140;nubbins`;still can't replicate the build 1090912;1428413148;nubbins`;:( 1090913;1428413157;mircea_popescu;lol. k. 1090914;1428413175;nubbins`;i know *what* to do -- rip out unused parts of boost with bcp -- but i keep cracking eggshells in the batter 1090915;1428413192;mircea_popescu;on the "compile time" front, i'm happy to announce eulora got tested on ancient athlon i + 768 mb ram and ancient nvidia 5k series vid card. it compiles in like an hour, and runs. 1090916;1428413197;mircea_popescu;0.5 fps, but nevertheless... 1090917;1428413203;nubbins`;i saved my entire bitcoind dir from the successful build, so i know precisely which boost headers and libs are needed 1090918;1428413226;nubbins`;just can't figure out the BCP options to auto-strip the crud 1090919;1428413239;nubbins`;may have to just to a manifest and then modify pinkposixw/e's script 1090920;1428413255;nubbins`;mircea_popescu woo! 1090921;1428413302;mircea_popescu;still testing to see what'll be minimum rec spec, but anyway. 1090922;1428413312;mircea_popescu;doesn't look like it'll be an issue 1090923;1428413419;nubbins`;exciting 1090924;1428413440;nubbins`;when's the conference anyway 1090925;1428413443;nubbins`;wait, isn't there a thing? 1090926;1428413445;nubbins`;%conference 1090927;1428413446;nubbins`;or something 1090928;1428413453;mircea_popescu;16-18 1090929;1428413528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0002729 = 3.0292 BTC [+] 1090930;1428413547;nubbins`;o fun, i'll be in cleve-land thne 1090931;1428413549;nubbins`;*then 1090932;1428413576;mircea_popescu;cleveland ?! 1090933;1428413700;nubbins`;yah 1090934;1428413701;nubbins`;imagine 1090935;1428413759;nubbins`;lil nubs in the medium city! 1090936;1428413823;nubbins`;i'll be seeing this guy 1090937;1428413824;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFEOBJBiWg 1090938;1428413825;assbot;Sufjan Stevens - Casimir Pulaski Day & Jacksonville @ ACL - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3SZbN ) 1090939;1428413845;nubbins`;and these guys 1090940;1428413846;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpHoAnaPK0 1090941;1428413846;assbot;Lightning Bolt " Dracula Mountain " - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3T2o6 ) 1090942;1428413868;nubbins`;and these! 1090943;1428413868;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcRJ8XM9-n4 1090944;1428413869;assbot;Metz "Wet Blanket" (live) -- Polaris Music Prize 2013 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3T4MK ) 1090945;1428413895;nubbins`;the juxtaposition isn't quite clear w/o viewing the videos, unfortunately 1090946;1428413965;mircea_popescu;oh i c 1090947;1428413999;mircea_popescu;hm, when a motherboard comes on when the supply comes on, no buttons or anything, and then won't atx powerdown 1090948;1428414002;mircea_popescu;this isn't a good isng is it 1090949;1428414113;nubbins`;almost certainly no 1090950;1428414512;nubbins`;wow, one of woodcollector's shills turned on him, and now wc's socks are accusing the shill of being wc 1090951;1428414517;nubbins`;this is some daytime-drama shit 1090952;1428414526;mircea_popescu;yeah it's dead. 1090953;1428414530;mircea_popescu;a well. was a great mobo 1090954;1428414641;mats;http://oilpro.com/announcement/713/opec-faces-750bn-losses-market-share-strategy 1090955;1428414642;assbot;OPEC Faces $750bn Losses From Market Share Strategy - Oilpro ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3VCKO ) 1090956;1428414671;nubbins`;well, there goes $20/barrel... 1090957;1428414743;mircea_popescu;lol 1090958;1428414749;mircea_popescu;bs, marginal doggies barking. 1090959;1428414762;mircea_popescu;what the fuck do the dollar values even mean ? the dollar's worth in 2020 is drastically indeterminate 1090960;1428414773;mircea_popescu;and that applies to pricing goods. oil above the dollar in the pricing hierarchy. 1090961;1428414876;nubbins`;this is true 1090962;1428414876;mats;http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/110320151 1090963;1428414878;assbot;Baghdad not sincere about KRG budget ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3WAqu ) 1090964;1428414913;nubbins`;mats, drop bombs on x for a decade and a half and see how sincere the Xers are about anything 1090965;1428414913;mats;"When the last KRG delegation visited Baghdad, it was told that the [Iraqi] government literally has run out of money." 1090966;1428414919;mats;kek'd 1090967;1428414943;nubbins`;LITCHRALLY 1090968;1428414949;mircea_popescu;lol 1090969;1428414951;nubbins`;run out of money 1090970;1428414954;nubbins`;as if this is a problem 1090971;1428414973;mats;"A month before Maliki left office, there were $18 billion in the Development Fund for Iraq at the New York Federal Reserve Bank, plus the KRG’s share of 2014’s budget. When Abadi was sworn into office, there was only $1 billion left." 1090972;1428414999;mircea_popescu;"Other governments, urged by the IEA and IMF, will reduce or eliminate subsidies to end users of petroleum products. Such modifications to end-user price regimes are most easily implemented when consumers perceive prices to be relatively low. Robert Mabro correctly anticipated such developments following the 1986 oil price collapse. OPEC members will end up with an even smaller percentage of the end-user value of their 1090973;1428414999;mircea_popescu; principal export than they received prior to adopting the market share strategy and this will be a permanent shift." 1090974;1428415015;mircea_popescu;derp. opec must sell less oil because otherwise we will steal even more of their revenue via internal taxation. 1090975;1428415015;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AvU2cfXRk 1090976;1428415016;assbot;Clarke and Dawe - Quantitative Easing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1oMse ) 1090977;1428415016;mircea_popescu;logic. 1090978;1428415018;mats;lol. 1090979;1428415020;nubbins`;^ worth a watch 1090980;1428415048;mircea_popescu;mats what exactly do the americans expect local traitors to do other than steal as much as possible ? 1090981;1428415063;mircea_popescu;that's the entire fucking point. why exactly else would maliki or anyone else EVEN TALK dumbass.gov ? 1090982;1428415074;mircea_popescu;what, they like nuland or something ? 1090983;1428415087;mats;who knows. i'm sure most of the staff guys over there are busy avoiding locals for fear of catching a bullet. 1090984;1428415095;mircea_popescu;"bring a billion or two, we'll take you out tonight" 1090985;1428415096;mats;ye good ol' "green on green" 1090986;1428415129;nubbins`;ahahahaha these guys 1090987;1428415134;nubbins`;srsly 1090988;1428415152;nubbins`;"once you ascertain you have the alignment correct, you open the window, alert the banking sector, and press 'print'" 1090989;1428415230;mircea_popescu;"John Gault is Co-Director, Executive Master in International Oil and Gas Leadership, The Graduate Institute, Geneva." 1090990;1428415232;mircea_popescu;srsly. 1090991;1428415258;mircea_popescu;co-director & executive master of the international word word leadership fictional entity, geneva. 1090992;1428415265;nubbins`;who is john ga... oh, you just said 1090993;1428415280;nubbins`;(MFW ayn rand died on social assistance) 1090994;1428415280;mircea_popescu;after a fashion. 1090995;1428415296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16705 @ 0.00026806 = 4.4779 BTC [-] {2} 1090996;1428415305;mircea_popescu;all sorts of experts experting expertly. 1090997;1428415307;mats;this 'Executive Master' construct is new to me 1090998;1428415315;mats;imma add that to my list of titles. 1090999;1428415326;mircea_popescu;i kinda imagine "the graduate institute" to be like... the film, the graduate. except in an institution. 1091000;1428415348;mircea_popescu;mats i suppose ima import it in my harem. i can be the master, and the slavegirls could be executive masters. 1091001;1428415362;mats;heh 1091002;1428415372;mircea_popescu;socialist bdsm. 1091003;1428416130;danielpbarron;height=316322 vs height=221389 1091004;1428417179;funkenstein_;ohio has been mentioned a few time here recently so 1091005;1428417182;funkenstein_;www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYDiggEp-hw 1091006;1428417881;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-silent-as-he-arrives-for-senate-expenses-trial-1.3022689 1091007;1428417883;assbot;Mike Duffy silent as he arrives for Senate expenses trial - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1wuCK ) 1091008;1428417885;nubbins`;fuck mike duffy 1091009;1428418146;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i don't get what the issue is. can you summarize ? 1091010;1428418185;nubbins`;duffy was caught a while back charging a ton of frivolous expenses to his senate expense account 1091011;1428418196;nubbins`;like a house he never lived in 1091012;1428418219;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Senate_expenses_scandal 1091013;1428418220;assbot;Canadian Senate expenses scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1yr27 ) 1091014;1428418226;mircea_popescu;ah, so plain fraud. mkay. 1091015;1428418238;nubbins`;unanswered is why the Canadian senate is stuffed with washed-up former journalists 1091016;1428418260;nubbins`;and nobodies like Patrick Brazeau 1091017;1428418275;nubbins`;who, after being suspended from the senate, got a job at a strip club and threw his girlfriend down a set of stairs 1091018;1428418368;nubbins`;oh also 1091019;1428418369;nubbins`;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/can.general/Ay0OqlUwdWk 1091020;1428418370;assbot;Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1z6k0 ) 1091021;1428418410;nubbins`;It was all on live TV yesterday morning. Pierre Trudeau's grieving ex-wife had come to view the Centennial Flame shortly after a ceremony marking the departure of his coffin to a funeral train bound for Montreal. Margaret Trudeau was trying to compose herself and nodded quietly as people offered their condolences. 1091022;1428418445;nubbins`;Suddenly, somebody pushed his way through.  Margaret turned and said "Oh, hi Mike," and smiled broadly.  "This was Misha's birthday," the man said, referring to the Trudeaus' youngest son Michel, who died two years ago.  Her face froze and she burst into tears.  She turned around and quickly walked away.  "It's Michel's birthday today," she said in a strained voice to those around her. "I didn't remember." Michel, the youngest of her 1091023;1428418445;nubbins`; three sons with Trudeau, died nearly two years ago in an avalanche and his body was never found. 1091024;1428418480;nubbins`;ladies and gentlemen... mister mike "dr. robotnik" duffy 1091025;1428418609;nubbins`;somewhat more succinctly from the toronto star: "In 2000, four days after Pierre’s death, Margaret went out. She was confronted by a TV reporter, the punchably cruel Mike Duffy, now a senator, who barked at her, “How do you feel today, Mrs. Trudeau? Have you remembered it’s Michel’s birthday?” She collapsed." 1091026;1428418623;nubbins`;"punchably cruel" is nice 1091027;1428418645;mircea_popescu;who's trudeau ? 1091028;1428418674;mike_c;danielpbarron: experiment is over, yes? given pace over the last few days the slow version is literally never going to finish. 1091029;1428418731;nubbins`;former prime minister pierre trudeau, who famously enacted the war measures act in 1970 when couple politicians got kidnapped and murdered 1091030;1428418744;nubbins`;"what of the bleeding hearts?", he was asked 1091031;1428418747;nubbins`;"let them bleed" 1091032;1428418781;mircea_popescu;so then what problem do you see ? 1091033;1428418806;nubbins`;only that the senate is full of subhumans 1091034;1428418860;nubbins`;appointed by our own lizard hitler, stephen harper 1091035;1428419126;nubbins`;mircea_popescu incidentally, trudeau's son (because this is what politics in north america is now) is currently the leader of the national liberal party, w/ maybe a 50-50 shot at the big seat next election 1091036;1428419135;mircea_popescu;lol 1091037;1428419158;nubbins`;srs. 1091038;1428419185;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuSpZ3_5pTc 1091039;1428419186;assbot;Justin Trudeau -- Patrick Brazeau Charity Boxing Match -- English Coverage of Complete Fight - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1Ck7f ) 1091040;1428419208;nubbins`;there's trudeau and the strip-club-managing, girlfriend-stair-down-throwing senator... /boxing each other/ 1091041;1428419229;mats;http://log.b-a.link/?date=07-04-2015#1090422 << similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. 1091042;1428419229;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 02:43:33; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ubiquiti example dovetails nicely with the thread re: unemployed reversers. if persians happily buy turdware, they either haven't many, or haven't any competent ones, or they are all occupied with something else (what ?) 1091043;1428419627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 72.85073993 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 14 satoshi per share 1091044;1428419688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00026776 = 8.2202 BTC [-] {2} 1091045;1428419749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 28.16939346 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 563 satoshi per share 1091046;1428419786;mircea_popescu;oh motherfucker. 1091047;1428419812;mircea_popescu;fine. that's it. i'm gifting a friggin bitcoin and whatever, the gods have spoken. 1091048;1428420020;mircea_popescu;!up deedbot- 1091049;1428420022;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/08761FT 1091050;1428420023;assbot;dpaste: 08761FT ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MEh6 ) 1091051;1428420023;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1091052;1428420036;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/08761FT.txt 1091053;1428420037;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MIxu ) 1091054;1428420037;deedbot-;accepted: 2 1091055;1428420040;mircea_popescu;yay. cool. 1091056;1428420082;mats;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/07/us-tnt-express-m-a-fedex-idUSKBN0MY06G20150407 1091057;1428420084;assbot; FedEx to buy TNT for $4.8 billion to take on rivals in Europe| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MRkm ) 1091058;1428420253;punkman;oh great 1091059;1428420313;mircea_popescu;all things must be shittified. 1091060;1428420327;punkman;TNT was reasonably fast last time I used them 1091061;1428420983;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1091062;1428421811;ascii_field;mircea_popescu:hm, when a motherboard comes on when the supply comes on, no buttons or anything, and then won't atx powerdown << what did you do to it 1091063;1428422799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21466 @ 0.00027219 = 5.8428 BTC [+] {2} 1091064;1428425066;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: 'what did you do to it' << walked down a dark alley all unsuspecting like 1091065;1428428952;BingoBoingo;!up stunna 1091066;1428429692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 26491 @ 0.00004 = 1.0596 BTC [-] {2} 1091067;1428430661;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1091068;1428430678;ascii_field;http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/politics/power-outage-washington-dc << mega-l0l 1091069;1428430679;assbot;D.C. hit by power outage - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0Jyoo ) 1091070;1428431428;lobbes;'The power went out during the daily State Department briefing, with Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf using a phone light to continue taking questions from reporters.' << heh 1091071;1428432360;punkman;do all power outages make the news over there? 1091072;1428432365;ascii_field;no. 1091073;1428432381;ascii_field;quite certainly not. 1091074;1428432773;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1091075;1428432827;ben_vulpes;dc really is the center of all american rot, isn't it? 1091076;1428432841;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: at least on paper 1091077;1428432853;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: in practice, rot is a very 'peer2peer' affair 1091078;1428432855;ben_vulpes;brownouts and power outages *do not happen* here. 1091079;1428432878;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: not only do they happen where i live, but with sufficient frequency that i'm stuck using very elaborate power conditioning gear 1091080;1428432884;ascii_field;but i'm not in dc city gates proper 1091081;1428432891;ascii_field;it is quite unusual there. 1091082;1428432901;ben_vulpes;this is madness, man. 1091083;1428432912;ascii_field;'no, it is sparta!' 1091084;1428432913;*;punkman just replaced old UPS 1091085;1428432937;ascii_field;at present time, i have a massive double-converting ups 1091086;1428432941;ascii_field;before that, a ferroresonator 1091087;1428432973;ascii_field;before that, a dynasty of ordinary ups, which tripped so often that they frequently died 1091088;1428433003;chetty;well with the greenies shutting down power plants all over its only gonna get worse 1091089;1428433138;ascii_field;chetty: largely a cover for existing infrastructural decay. 1091090;1428433151;ascii_field;the kind of thing that dying empire cannot really hide for long 1091091;1428433172;ascii_field;it also shows where the -actual- usg priorities are 1091092;1428433186;ascii_field;(-not- the elected muppets, for one thing) 1091093;1428433257;ascii_field;mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves. 1091094;1428433497;ascii_field;afaik that is where the bulk of the 'salable' vulns actually come from. 1091095;1428433526;ascii_field;anyone interested in becoming this kind of 'agricultural' labourer - knows where to go. 1091096;1428433770;chetty;I cant help but find it delicious it hits dc 1091097;1428433870;ascii_field;chetty: wake me up when it hits something important 1091098;1428433878;chetty;jajajajaja 1091099;1428433967;ascii_field;(for n00bz: the subcontractors which do most of the practical 'usg-ing' are headquartered largely in north virginia, and have massive backup power and other every other conceivable luxury, large and small, on the grounds.) 1091100;1428434295;chetty;well as I heard the power went out in 'useful' places, the white house,the state department ... :D 1091101;1428434308;ascii_field;useful l0l 1091102;1428434723;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1091103;1428434896;BingoBoingo;http://rt.com/uk/247529-bitcoin-exchange-opening-britain/ << "Bitcoin has had shaky beginnings with big Bitcoin exchanges like Mt Gov suffering huge thefts." 1091104;1428434896;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ph3dVw ) 1091105;1428435609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9425 @ 0.00026703 = 2.5168 BTC [-] {2} 1091106;1428436607;ben_vulpes;"wheels have had a shaky beginning - several have fallen over when their rotational inertia dropped below critical stability thresholds or ran into other unforseen obstacles." 1091107;1428436681;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1091108;1428436687;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: wut 1091109;1428436765;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091103 1091110;1428436765;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 19:28:16; BingoBoingo: http://rt.com/uk/247529-bitcoin-exchange-opening-britain/ << "Bitcoin has had shaky beginnings with big Bitcoin exchanges like Mt Gov suffering huge thefts." 1091111;1428436773;ascii_field;l0l 1091112;1428436787;BingoBoingo;Oh, I was loling over "Mt Gov" 1091113;1428436805;ben_vulpes;haw 1091114;1428436813;ben_vulpes;looked like an x at this tiny fontsize 1091115;1428437120;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Well there's two solutions to your problem. Optometrics or Moar fontsize. 1091116;1428437238;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: it's a bit more complex than that. fontsize is nearly irrelevant, as i parse visually first by the structure of the code and then by wordshape. mispellings are rare, due to backround jobs that compile/evaluate text buffers on save and linters that have rules about symbol definition. 1091117;1428437259;ben_vulpes;my goal is primarily to cram as much text on the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape 1091118;1428437276;BingoBoingo;Option 3, More Screen 1091119;1428437290;ben_vulpes;i've got 2 24" monitors. 1091120;1428437296;ben_vulpes;'tain't enough. 1091121;1428437305;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: desk not full - could have moar 1091122;1428437314;ben_vulpes;indubitably. 1091123;1428437319;ben_vulpes;but for now, this is adequate. 1091124;1428437321;ascii_field;when full - can hang'em up 1091125;1428437330;BingoBoingo;Consider 4 36"s I say from my adequate to purposes 11.6" screen. 1091126;1428437361;ben_vulpes;hyu 1091127;1428437382;mats;hue 1091128;1428437450;trinque;https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bHLR3faI7lU/hqdefault.jpg 1091129;1428437452;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTcGb6 ) 1091130;1428437528;trinque;http://www.greenpeace.org/seasia/ph/Global/seasia/image/2005/9/stack_of_monitors.jpg << hah there you go ben_vulpes 1091131;1428437530;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTcKrr ) 1091132;1428438312;ben_vulpes;heh yeah something like that, trinque 1091133;1428438339;ben_vulpes;there's a van with a setup akin to that first link in Snow Crash of which i was always enamore.d 1091134;1428438344;ben_vulpes;enamored* 1091135;1428438383;ben_vulpes;what I *really* want, though, is not even a desk but 2 six-axis arms that keep my keyboard and monitors in the appropriate ergonomic relationship. 1091136;1428438636;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1091137;1428439400;BingoBoingo;http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/04/five-volunteer-firefighters-in-ellis-county-jailed-on-aggravated-sexual-assault-charges.html/ 1091138;1428439401;assbot;Affidavit: Volunteer firefighters used sausage in videotaped sex assault at Ellis County fire station | | Dallas Morning News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Phe3uG ) 1091139;1428440123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00027357 = 7.8104 BTC [+] 1091140;1428440181;mircea_popescu;ascii_field wasn't me 1091141;1428440201;mircea_popescu;but from what i gather, it got the 6 pin cpu power in its 8 slot 1091142;1428440221;ascii_field;l0l 1091143;1428440227;ascii_field;magic smoke ? 1091144;1428440244;mircea_popescu; ben_vulpes: not only do they happen where i live, but with sufficient frequency that i'm stuck using very elaborate power conditioning gear << you and fucking indians, i swear. 1091145;1428440268;mircea_popescu;everybody warned me when i came here, "o may gawd power outages". i ended up overprovisioning power by such a wide berth it's ridiculous. 1091146;1428440283;mircea_popescu;a village's worth of african children could have gone through prostitution school for that dough. 1091147;1428440289;ascii_field;aha i recall, that diesel trailer 1091148;1428440331;mircea_popescu;i saw ONE power outage in a year, which was most likely the building bus being old. 1091149;1428440346;ascii_field;outages are not even as annoying as brownouts and, especially - spikes 1091150;1428440365;mircea_popescu;i've seen neither of those. ever. 1091151;1428440367;ascii_field;generator does nothing against these 1091152;1428440400;mircea_popescu;spikes used to be reasonably frequent in the 80s in ro. but not major spikes, just, 5-10% sort of things. but then they upgraded the infrastructure and it no longer relies on its own inductance 1091153;1428440403;mircea_popescu;so pretty much gone 1091154;1428440422;ascii_field;spikes were a perennial plague in su 1091155;1428440436;mircea_popescu;yeah well, probably because they're running on obsolete romanian transformers 1091156;1428440440;ascii_field;to the point that it was a given that a tv set would have a 'stabilizator' underneath, buzzing steadily 1091157;1428440445;mircea_popescu;like fucking india 1091158;1428440450;ascii_field;(ferroresonator) 1091159;1428440481;ascii_field;iirc india runs on old su gear wholesale. 1091160;1428440487;mircea_popescu;yeah, because why make the 100kv transformers weigh 180 tons. make them 24 and then fuck up the entire power supply. 1091161;1428440494;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1091162;1428440607;ascii_field;the type of habitation traditional in american suburbs makes civilized power distribution astronomically expensive 1091163;1428440644;mircea_popescu;ah 1091164;1428440686;mircea_popescu;o wow, fucking sprawl. you probably can't just get a huge 100kv - 2kv stepper and feed a whole neighbourhood, must have like 100kv - 12kv - 1,x kv multistep hu 1091165;1428440687;mircea_popescu;h 1091166;1428440712;ascii_field;120v (america) also entails 2x the current for given wattage, on the low transformer end 1091167;1428440719;ascii_field;>> more copper 1091168;1428440732;mircea_popescu;o.O 1091169;1428440736;mircea_popescu;allthewrongchoices.jpg 1091170;1428440746;ascii_field;similar to situation with net pipes 1091171;1428440783;ascii_field;early to the game - does not translate to 'better', when the result is massive antiquated crud everywhere, that no one contemplates replacing because $maxint 1091172;1428440807;mircea_popescu;the 120 volt choice was a bad idea. 1091173;1428440810;ascii_field;it is a marvel that they didn't stick with edison's direct current grid 1091174;1428440820;ascii_field;think of the 'l337 job creation' 1091175;1428440827;ascii_field;a substation on -every- street... 1091176;1428440848;ascii_field;it was a bad idea -inherited directly from edison dc grid- 1091177;1428440856;mircea_popescu;myeah 1091178;1428440887;ascii_field;(for light bulb - and resistive heaters, similar - compatibility.) 1091179;1428440933;ascii_field;http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/off-goes-the-power-current-started-by-thomas-edison/?_r=0 << edison dc grid turned off in '07 ! 1091180;1428440936;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhhZLU ) 1091181;1428440963;mircea_popescu;you know... the more i think of this the more it appears a major strategic problem for the us. larger than fucking isis, larger than the chinese fmi, larger even than their inability to maintain railroad infrastructure. 1091182;1428440978;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: think of their peculiar system of weights and measures 1091183;1428440989;ascii_field;used... where else, today? zimbabwe ? 1091184;1428440989;mircea_popescu;think : in the coming economy, the ability to easily get good clean power in the 10 to 100kw range of european towns is going to weigh very heavily 1091185;1428441002;mircea_popescu;because production in future is going to look more like your garage than ford factory. 1091186;1428441059;mircea_popescu;so the fact that giancarlo milanese can ask for a 380v line today and have it working in may whereas joe washington can't even get it... well... 1091187;1428441064;mircea_popescu;if you got stuff to do you move. 1091188;1428441090;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: one thought that i can't possibly be the first to think is that miners have a tremendous incentive to get off their government mains grids. 1091189;1428441104;ascii_field;(gives away their position, among other problems) 1091190;1428441118;mircea_popescu;not where that rose is getting cut. 1091191;1428441142;ascii_field;? 1091192;1428441189;mircea_popescu;cheaper for miners to cut the head of the governments in question than to create alt-powergrid. 1091193;1428441199;mircea_popescu;you're thinking of govt as this fixed item. it is the least fixed item of all. 1091194;1428441224;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: power grids as we know them are an inherently totalitarian institution 1091195;1428441243;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with authority. 1091196;1428441246;ascii_field;literally centralized power, by design 1091197;1428441253;mircea_popescu;there's somethin wrong with authority in the hands of the stupid, 1091198;1428441255;mircea_popescu;but that never lasts. 1091199;1428441276;ascii_field;egypt went on for a good long while, iirc. 1091200;1428441304;mircea_popescu;stupid is a relative term. 1091201;1428441307;funkenstein_;maybe people will finally turn off the lights 1091202;1428441338;mircea_popescu;why would people ever do that ? 1091203;1428441362;mircea_popescu;i'd run the lights if the lights ran on your liquefied babies. 1091204;1428441365;mircea_popescu;some things are important. 1091205;1428441382;funkenstein_;not street lights 1091206;1428441397;mircea_popescu;oh, those. 1091207;1428441405;mircea_popescu;you should see the us lmao. 1091208;1428441420;funkenstein_;europe from space at night is quite a sight 1091209;1428441429;mircea_popescu;they got it in their head that "parking lots are dangerous" because "women get raped" because hey, it's a literary conventions, and nobody can accuse us writers of not being lazy. 1091210;1428441441;mircea_popescu;nevermind that the rapes that do happen happen in parking garages not lots. 1091211;1428441454;mircea_popescu;so... now you have to have a pole every 10 meters, and can't even turn because LIGHT OMG 1091212;1428441457;mircea_popescu;parking lots are scary. 1091213;1428441458;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1091214;1428441489;funkenstein_;could be a good use for all that ammunition 1091215;1428441517;mircea_popescu;shooting a streetlight is not trivial. try sometime. 1091216;1428441520;ascii_field;street lamps where i live often suffer from a peculiar glitch where they switch -off- if someone walks near 1091217;1428441543;ascii_field;(light from adjacent poles falls on you, reflected back to photocell on the light in question) 1091218;1428441558;mircea_popescu;dude there was a light like that on the road out of timisoara, he was the lol of all time. we'd like visit to make fun. 1091219;1428441594;ascii_field;especially fun to watch folks suggest nonsensical explanations for the effect 1091220;1428441602;funkenstein_;think of their peculiar system of weights and measures <-- nasa made official call to move to metric system once 1091221;1428441620;funkenstein_;the order moved down the command chain, arrived in machine shop 1091222;1428441646;funkenstein_;request for new tools went back up the command chain.. end of that attempt 1091223;1428441652;ascii_field;$maxint. 1091224;1428441655;ascii_field;literally. 1091225;1428441671;ascii_field;the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war 1091226;1428441678;ascii_field;so no one ever really took it seriously 1091227;1428441679;funkenstein_;lol 1091228;1428441705;mircea_popescu;yeah, these aren't things people can actually do. 1091229;1428441708;funkenstein_;it is conceivalbe to slowly phase in on replacements? 1091230;1428441712;mircea_popescu;nope. 1091231;1428441717;mircea_popescu;it's one of those "all at once" things. 1091232;1428441756;funkenstein_;slug-feet is is then 1091233;1428441773;mircea_popescu;which reminds me of a joke : when they entered the eu, the romanians starting bidding on all sorts of contracts. like for instance, a 1947 british rfq to move the country to european style driving. 1091234;1428441791;mircea_popescu;the police dept of bumfuck offered to write a plan and outline strategy and everything. 1091235;1428441799;mircea_popescu;the brits were pretty scared. 1091236;1428441834;mircea_popescu;then the outline showed up. "the change will be introduced in phases. for the first five years, only trucks and vehicles over 5 tons will switch to driving on right" 1091237;1428441877;ascii_field;!b 4 1091238;1428441877;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SBTP91.txt ) 1091239;1428441897;mircea_popescu; the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war << actually, not anymore. the us has already lost so much physical plant since the 50s it might have been through half a dozen world wars. 1091240;1428441924;funkenstein_;lol 1091241;1428441930;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ... and i -still- have to keep two sets of drill bits 1091242;1428441937;ascii_field;and wrenches 1091243;1428441940;ascii_field;and ... etc 1091244;1428441950;ascii_field;that was the only real effect of the u.s. botched metric push 1091245;1428441956;mircea_popescu;and i gotta keep two sets of womenz. what's your point. 1091246;1428441962;mircea_popescu;not everything fits the same way. 1091247;1428442090;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091093 << this much is true. but hey, beats webcams. 1091248;1428442090;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 19:00:57; ascii_field: mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves. 1091249;1428442104;ascii_field;webcams ? 1091250;1428442129;mircea_popescu;ascii_field there's exactly three things a woman can do with herself that doesn't work as the housemaid of a dude. 1091251;1428442154;mircea_popescu;one is working the pick-n-placers. the other's working the masturbatrons. the third's you know, "using her head", as in, this fuzzer, that fuzzer... 1091252;1428442187;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: there are quite likely more women in the deep-water oceanic oil prospecting industry than in vuln digging 1091253;1428442191;mircea_popescu;the sortage is generally, "whether she thinks she's pretty", "whether she thinks she's smart" 1091254;1428442201;mircea_popescu;ascii_field mno. 1091255;1428442221;mircea_popescu;every farm i ever saw was eastern european / azn women. like, 9:1 women or more. 1091256;1428442251;ascii_field;not same as spam farms 1091257;1428442259;ascii_field;assuming that is what mircea_popescu was thinking of 1091258;1428442292;mircea_popescu;at the level we're discussing here, there's really no difference between working as " gawker vp of pr" or working as "candi19874 on myfreewebcams". srsly. 1091259;1428442325;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1091260;1428442333;ascii_field;but between looking for 0days and these two items - yes, difference 1091261;1428442352;mircea_popescu;yes. because this is for "girl think she's pretty" and those for "girl thinks she's smart". 1091262;1428442369;mircea_popescu;but difference between spam farm and 0day farm, and "code farm" generally .. also nil. 1091263;1428442382;ascii_field;i have yet to meet, or even hear of, any females in that business other than the two or three world-famous ones 1091264;1428442395;mircea_popescu;these are the three female professions. the differences within them are minute. 1091265;1428442405;mircea_popescu;ascii_field why would you ever meet them ?! 1091266;1428442464;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: let's phrase it this way - my circle 3 degrees out includes perhaps a thousand such slaves, and i was told in no uncertain terms that there were no females. 1091267;1428442473;mircea_popescu;weird. 1091268;1428442473;ascii_field;this is not 'god's word' but hearsay, yes. 1091269;1428442485;mircea_popescu;maybe strange cultural difference at work ?! 1091270;1428442495;ascii_field;possible 1091271;1428442503;mircea_popescu;the argument i always hear is, "dudes have no focus and can't be trusted to pay the fuck attention" 1091272;1428442513;ascii_field;the pick-n-place argument, yes 1091273;1428442533;mircea_popescu;eh, pick and place is like waitressing. so you missed a spot. big deal. 1091274;1428442542;ascii_field;same with fuzzing 1091275;1428442553;ascii_field;the next slave will notice what you missed, is the notion 1091276;1428442575;mircea_popescu;yeah but you need to know / learn a shitload more to do this than to wipe the table / put the pin in the hole. 1091277;1428442584;mircea_popescu;and to learn you must read. and dudes don't read. 1091278;1428442593;ascii_field;for what it's worth, my hypothesis for the maleness of the profession is that it is the very epitome of greenspun's tournamentmarket 1091279;1428442604;mircea_popescu;no it's not !? 1091280;1428442608;ascii_field;virtually the whole motivation comes from 'what if -i- catch the big one' 1091281;1428442609;mircea_popescu;they make a salary. 1091282;1428442618;ascii_field;many ways to make salary 1091283;1428442618;mircea_popescu;uh. they wouldn't even know if they did. 1091284;1428442635;ascii_field;mircea_popescu -might- be thinking of a different profession than i was 1091285;1428442649;mircea_popescu;am i ? 1091286;1428442668;mircea_popescu;how would 0day slave distinguish between what he's told he's doing (unit testing) and what he's actually doing ? 1091287;1428442670;ascii_field;if it's one that includes gurlz to any detectable extent, then almost certainly 1091288;1428442682;ascii_field;aha mircea_popescu was thinking of testers/qa. 1091289;1428442692;mircea_popescu;it's how you look for 0 days! 1091290;1428442696;ascii_field;nope 1091291;1428442701;ascii_field;any more than pigs make ham 1091292;1428442702;mircea_popescu;you hire a huge team of those and cut the job up to them 1091293;1428442705;ascii_field;it is butchers who make ham 1091294;1428442716;mircea_popescu;oh, then yes we were thinking of very different things. 1091295;1428442733;ascii_field;the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc 1091296;1428442741;mircea_popescu;but i say the pigs make ham. as that one butcher observed, "i only follow the lines already there" 1091297;1428442743;ascii_field;the folks i was speaking of - determine whether said crash was exploitable 1091298;1428442754;ascii_field;normally they forgo the meat robots and use scripts 1091299;1428442763;ascii_field;this practice is traditionally called 'fuzzing' 1091300;1428442775;mircea_popescu;no, fuzzing is when you forego scripts and use humans. 1091301;1428442782;mircea_popescu;because humans to some degree heuristic. 1091302;1428442796;mircea_popescu;the thing where you use scripts is bruteforce i guess. ripper-it 1091303;1428442806;*;ascii_field suspects a 'national' variation in terminology 1091304;1428442812;mircea_popescu;mebbe so. anyway. 1091305;1428442815;ascii_field;over here, 'fuzzing' is done with machines. 1091306;1428442828;mircea_popescu;testament to over there illiteracy. 1091307;1428442833;mircea_popescu;there's nothing fuzzy about a numeric machine. 1091308;1428442862;ascii_field;we spoke, for instance, of fuzzing gpg format. 1091309;1428442870;mircea_popescu;!s fuzzing gpg 1091310;1428442871;assbot;0 results for 'fuzzing gpg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fuzzing+gpg 1091311;1428442875;mircea_popescu;no we didn't :D 1091312;1428442896;ascii_field;'high-tech' fuzzers actually spot differences in branch outcomes at every conditional jump as consequence of nth bit in input having changed 1091313;1428442912;mircea_popescu;what if no code ? 1091314;1428443077;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091117 << this is a bad idea and it will make you as blind as an old jew. 1091315;1428443077;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 20:07:39; ben_vulpes: my goal is primarily to cram as much text on the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape 1091316;1428443096;mircea_popescu;listen to me, never read text not > 1 cm tall. 1091317;1428443161;ascii_field;whaddayamean no code 1091318;1428443166;ascii_field;was speaking of raw cpu instructions. 1091319;1428443175;mircea_popescu;ah ah 1091320;1428443203;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i'm not aware it's a solved problem. 1091321;1428443218;ascii_field;not 'solved' as such 1091322;1428443235;ascii_field;but there are productive approaches that don't reduce to pure brute strength 1091323;1428443241;ascii_field;but only -mostly- 1091324;1428443247;mats;instrumenting tool e.g. afl plus qemu 1091325;1428443264;ascii_field;aha 1091326;1428443264;mircea_popescu;and Brittany Leanne Parten, 23 were arrested << o.O 1091327;1428443304;mircea_popescu;"Court records say the laughing men initially tried to use a broomstick for the deed, which was videotaped on a cell phone. But then one of them said, I have something better and retrieved a chorizo sausage from the stations refrigerator, the records say." 1091328;1428443317;jurov;waitwhat? my dad worked in QA of "tesla elektroakustika" and pick and place was considered woman's job 1091329;1428443345;ascii_field;jurov: it -is- 1091330;1428443401;jurov;"i was told in no uncertain terms that there were no females" was about which occupation then? 1091331;1428443406;mats;https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/868-How-Heartbleed-couldve-been-found.html << uses afl! 1091332;1428443407;assbot;How Heartbleed could've been found - Hanno's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlIn4J ) 1091333;1428443414;jurov;spam farms? 1091334;1428443431;ascii_field;jurov: spam farms is what mircea_popescu might have thought i was speaking of 1091335;1428443474;mircea_popescu;i srsly think your distinction is entirely arbitrary. 1091336;1428443496;mircea_popescu;the "spam farms" and the monkey-on-a-stick farms where microsoft code is actuallywritten, and this stuff... really, what's the difference ? 1091337;1428443506;mircea_popescu;people coming out of any of them come out with the same sorts of "ideas" 1091338;1428443521;mircea_popescu;(for a real world example, the derp with the btctc exchange is certainly a victim) 1091339;1428443559;mircea_popescu;i suppose this may be the issue, i classify culturally, ie, by the beast's mental excrement. ascii_field you prolly classify by some sort of "what the job is". as if jobs actually are about something. 1091340;1428443615;ascii_field;the difference is, as al schwartz phrased it, 'does your assembly line require phds? if yes, your firm is doomed' 1091341;1428443629;mircea_popescu;heh. 1091342;1428443630;mircea_popescu;"Heartbleed is a read buffer overflow. What that means is that an application is reading outside the boundaries of a buffer. For example, imagine an application has a space in memory that's 10 bytes long. If the software tries to read 20 bytes from that buffer, you have a read buffer overflow." 1091343;1428443641;ascii_field;and yes, to me - jobs are about something. 1091344;1428443641;mircea_popescu;for the record, this seems to me disqualifyingly dumb. 1091345;1428443655;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not these jobs. these jobs are about the narrative in the "worker's" head. 1091346;1428443678;ascii_field;that's not called industry, that is called 'psych ward' 1091347;1428443702;ascii_field;'i am a carpenter.' 'show me some wood.' - patient pulls out wad of own shit 1091348;1428443715;mircea_popescu;!s engineering psychiatry 1091349;1428443716;assbot;0 results for 'engineering psychiatry' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=engineering+psychiatry 1091350;1428443720;mircea_popescu;orly ?! 1091351;1428443742;ascii_field;!s engineer psychiatrist 1091352;1428443742;assbot;0 results for 'engineer psychiatrist' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=engineer+psychiatrist 1091353;1428443748;ascii_field;b0rk3d 1091354;1428443751;mircea_popescu;srsly. 1091355;1428444163;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1091356;1428444348;ascii_field;the tool which mats linked to requires having source, yes 1091357;1428444375;ascii_field;it is only moderately difficult to build a variant which does not. 1091358;1428444386;ascii_field;(exercise for alert reader!) 1091359;1428444499;ben_vulpes; listen to me, never read text not > 1 cm tall. << why aren't you talking about arc-seconds?! 1091360;1428444502;mircea_popescu;moreover, that's not what a buffer overflow is. 1091361;1428444530;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes because arc seconds don't actually matter in this discussion. 1091362;1428444572;ben_vulpes;1cm doesn't make sense in that 1 cm is huge if close and tiny if far away 1091363;1428444643;mircea_popescu;but as long as it's 1cm you'll seat yourself at a convenient distance. 1091364;1428444675;pete_dushenski;that depends on desk, keyboard configuration too 1091365;1428444680;mircea_popescu;if you're looking at much finer detail you push it in too close and do all sorts of damage. 1091366;1428444730;pete_dushenski;scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/07/foreign-aid-assuaging-your-guilt-and-ruining-lives-since-forever/ 1091367;1428444732;assbot;Foreign aid : assuaging your guilt and ruining lives… since forever. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlOnsv ) 1091368;1428444737;ben_vulpes;that's an interesting normalization, mircea_popescu. 1091369;1428444770;mircea_popescu;the body is complex, the brain the most complex part, and the circuitry that drives vision the most complex of that. let it work rather than try to be smarter than it on fewer neurons. 1091370;1428444856;pete_dushenski;a family physician i know also recommended looking at least 20 ft away from the screen every 20 mins to allow eyes to relax 1091371;1428444927;mircea_popescu;the specifics vary, but the red thread always is, "the thing works fine, the less you fuck with it the longer you'll enjoy it." 1091372;1428444952;ben_vulpes;yes but whence the 1cm number -- whence!? 1091373;1428444982;ascii_field;i can also tell that the work of mircea_popescu is not ever i/o bound. 1091374;1428444998;mircea_popescu;ascii_field like how ? 1091375;1428445004;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that is a mystery. 1091376;1428445011;ascii_field;in that try reading disassemblies with 1cm tall characters. 1091377;1428445024;ascii_field;and see how far you get 1091378;1428445042;mircea_popescu;hey, i am not proposing every blind figurine carver can be a king. 1091379;1428445044;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes sorta like why is the golden ratio so golden ? 1091380;1428445049;trinque;bind size up/down sensibly, good to go 1091381;1428445053;mircea_popescu;im just proposing that people don't cook like they're carving figurines. 1091382;1428445127;pete_dushenski;mm so think nachinka, not netsuki 1091383;1428445284;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: foreign aid article << it's a surplus-burner 1091384;1428445322;pete_dushenski;but where do you see surplusses? 1091385;1428445335;mircea_popescu;now that's a q eh. what surpluses. 1091386;1428445338;ascii_field;'The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely 1091387;1428445338;ascii_field;internal affair....' (orwell's 1984) 1091388;1428445358;ascii_field;of free time, for instance 1091389;1428445366;mircea_popescu;except the us is not particularly hierarchical, and it has no surplus of anything. 1091390;1428445378;mircea_popescu;if it were doing that it'd bring back the draft. 1091391;1428445388;mircea_popescu;but the "aid army" w/e it was called never took off. 1091392;1428445402;pete_dushenski;"peacekeepers" 1091393;1428445406;mircea_popescu;best thing that could happen to the us is force every citizen under 18 to live a year in africa. 1091394;1428445412;mircea_popescu;but not "allow". force. 1091395;1428445415;mircea_popescu;and shoot escapees. 1091396;1428445421;pete_dushenski;lol! 1091397;1428445425;ascii_field;modern usa's 'aid' is about the dough coming back to the right coffers, washed, yes 1091398;1428445433;mircea_popescu;then import as many african kids to live within the now empty nests 1091399;1428445434;ascii_field;something rather different than mr o's concept 1091400;1428445440;mircea_popescu;and after the year let the family pick which one they wish to keep. 1091401;1428445452;pete_dushenski;china seems to be sending a few, though not all, young men and women to africa, likely to beneficial effect 1091402;1428445467;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: they live on reservations with no locals permitted, iirc 1091403;1428445470;pete_dushenski;for the chinese mainly 1091404;1428445476;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski terribru for them. chinese women that go black definitely won't go back. 1091405;1428445478;ascii_field;like martian colonies 1091406;1428445507;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: do the ones who 'go' horse - ever 'go back' ? 1091407;1428445517;ascii_field;and of which is there more. 1091408;1428445520;pete_dushenski;ascii_field every country's aid is intended to come back to 'right coffers' 1091409;1428445531;pete_dushenski;tis my argument at least 1091410;1428445534;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the whores that go hoarse don't go back, no. 1091411;1428445554;mircea_popescu;shoulda put hearse in there too i guess. 1091412;1428445555;ascii_field;horse, mule, ... 1091413;1428445557;ascii_field;elephant ? 1091414;1428445608;mircea_popescu;i imagine sea mammals. 1091415;1428445613;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu terribru for the chinese? does chinese woman really desire random african suitor? 1091416;1428445614;mircea_popescu;the sea has a +penis effect. 1091417;1428445630;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i have nfi. 1091418;1428445636;ascii_field;'go dolphin, never go back' ? 1091419;1428445637;mircea_popescu;jus' messin' around a little. 1091420;1428445638;pete_dushenski;lolk 1091421;1428445656;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you ever been in one of those cars with memory seats ? 1091422;1428445663;ascii_field;aha got one 1091423;1428445680;ascii_field;pretty useless 1091424;1428445683;mircea_popescu;well, kinda how vagina works. whenever excited, it kinda goes back to wherever it had fun last. 1091425;1428445693;pete_dushenski;there's no shortage of african gents here, ones crafty enough to game their way over the border, none of whom seem to be knocking up any girlfriends of mine 1091426;1428445728;pete_dushenski;that makes the vagina like an old man with a mid- or late-life crisis 1091427;1428445740;mircea_popescu;lol 1091428;1428445755;pete_dushenski;buying muscle cars because that's where the fun was! 1091429;1428445780;ascii_field;muscle computers. 1091430;1428445784;mircea_popescu;i doubt they actually did it in muscle cars. 1091431;1428445796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20734 @ 0.00027016 = 5.6015 BTC [-] {2} 1091432;1428445809;pete_dushenski;well, the ones who didn't are now buying the cars to reimagine themselves as the ones who did! 1091433;1428445829;ascii_field;what will a muscle computer be ..? 1091434;1428445838;mircea_popescu;1000 chickens! 1091435;1428445841;pete_dushenski;given that the sportier metal goes for $100k+, it's the former qb of the football team buying it 1091436;1428445945;pete_dushenski;1000 chickens is more like a muscle grocery store 1091437;1428445993;mats;ascii_field: there's a decent amount of work done with afl to enable black box testing 1091438;1428446113;mats;e.g. https://github.com/mothran/aflpin 1091439;1428446114;assbot;mothran/aflpin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybHZDe ) 1091440;1428446128;mats;(i spent some time this month experimenting with afl -- good stuff) 1091441;1428446373;pete_dushenski;^*it's NOT the former qb... 1091442;1428446671;pete_dushenski;mebbe the 12-core mac pro, booted with danielpbarron's openbsd hack, will be our "muscle computer" in 30 years 1091443;1428446688;pete_dushenski;i can't think of anyone else selling desktop hardware for $10k 1091444;1428446700;pete_dushenski;even if intel turd 1091445;1428446832;BingoBoingo; what will a muscle computer be ..? << DEC Alpha overclocked and cooled by Olympian means 1091446;1428446885;pete_dushenski;like so ? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VINTAGE-DEC-VX42B-F2-MULTIA-ALPHA-TERMINAL-233MHZ-543MB-HDD-32MB-RAM-FDD-/261816468691?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf57a44d3 1091447;1428446887;assbot; Vintage DEC VX42B F2 Multia Alpha Terminal 233MHz 543MB HDD 32MB RAM FDD | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybIZHC ) 1091448;1428446968;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Look for the ones listed with an extra figure or two in their price to this day 1091449;1428447068;pete_dushenski;huh 1091450;1428447073;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-AlphaServer-GS1280-Model-32-with-64GB-memory-and-UNIX-licenses-/370623042762?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564adad4ca is a start 1091451;1428447075;assbot; HP AlphaServer GS1280 Model 32 with 64GB Memory and Unix Licenses | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybJeCx ) 1091452;1428447111;pete_dushenski;um ya. those are straight up servers. 1091453;1428447120;BingoBoingo;Or for half the price http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-DS15-Alpha-Server-2-4-1000MHZ-w-4GB-RAM-IN-A-GOOD-CONDITION-/121333466602?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4009c5ea 1091454;1428447122;assbot; HP DS15 Alpha Server 2 4 1000MHz w 4GB RAM in A Good Condition | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybJilL ) 1091455;1428447139;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah, these are potential hot rods 1091456;1428447181;pete_dushenski;they're pretty fuckin badass is what they are 1091457;1428447234;pete_dushenski;imagine those in your study, with custom ducting to the outside, just awhirin' away 1091458;1428447330;pete_dushenski;"whatcha doing, honey, plotting launch trajectories?" "just chatting with the boys" 1091459;1428447565;pete_dushenski;"At various points in the budgets, [Rand] Paul questions the constitutionality of progressive income taxes, eliminates almost all federal education and housing programs, ends the biggest anti-poverty tax credits, eliminates foreign aid, institutes large defense cuts, slashes the State Department budget by more than two-thirds, and cuts the Food and Drug Administration budget to limit government "intrusion into 1091460;1428447565;pete_dushenski; the nation’s food supply." " 1091461;1428447577;pete_dushenski;^speaking of foreign aid 1091462;1428447607;pete_dushenski;sounds like paul has himself a functioning head, relatively speaking of course 1091463;1428447706;pete_dushenski;too bad he looks so dweeby 1091464;1428447830;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/vessenes-foundation-attemps-janssens-rebuttal/ 1091465;1428447831;assbot;Vessenes Foundation Attemps Janssens Rebuttal | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5efvq ) 1091466;1428447963;funkenstein_;rand is using bitpay for donations 1091467;1428448150;punkman;"continue helping on a volunteer basis to help the Foundation during this financially austere time." << austerity strikes again 1091468;1428448212;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo top kek ty. 1091469;1428448227;punkman;https://theageofausterity.wordpress.com/ 1091470;1428448229;assbot;Keywords for the Age of Austerity ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybKCVK ) 1091471;1428448380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a muscle computer is an amd fx + 64 gb of memory + swap on a ssd 1+0 raid array. 1091472;1428448384;mircea_popescu;coupla grand or w/e. 1091473;1428448515;trinque;pete_dushenski: it will be interesting to watch what happens there, if anything 1091474;1428448532;trinque;I supported his father in 2008, felt pretty "mehhhhh" about doing the same by 2012 1091475;1428448586;trinque;had his father been elected, the whole rest of the govt would've obstructed any substantial changes he'd want to make, so I don't know what good would've come of it 1091476;1428448602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00027526 = 3.3857 BTC [+] 1091477;1428448607;trinque;I suppose he could send the executive branch on extended vacation 1091478;1428448613;pete_dushenski;fair enough, there's huge bureaucratic momentum, but i'll definitely have some popcorn at the ready for the 2016 run 1091479;1428448623;trinque;I'd love to see Rand Paul get in 1091480;1428448642;trinque;but more yes, to do with popcorn than anything else 1091481;1428448643;mircea_popescu;guy's already a senator neh ? 1091482;1428448676;BingoBoingo;Rand Paul walks awfully close to the traditional "neo-conservative' line 1091483;1428448677;mircea_popescu;trinque president can actually fire the entire government. and, logically, any serious president would have to. 1091484;1428448757;trinque;there's a vast bureaucracy he could shut down in a day, yes 1091485;1428448764;BingoBoingo;http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150407/PC16/150409468 1091486;1428448765;assbot;North Charleston officer faces murder charge after video shows him shooting man in back - Post and Courier ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5hOSx ) 1091487;1428448774;trinque;it'd probably result in a power struggle with the congress trying to mandate certain shitty programs remain operational 1091488;1428448788;mircea_popescu;the thing is, the congress can not tell the president what to do. 1091489;1428448791;mircea_popescu;merely what not to do 1091490;1428448796;mircea_popescu;and principally through not giving him money. 1091491;1428448813;mircea_popescu;as powerless as congress proved itself to be trying to reign in a profilgate obama, 1091492;1428448825;mircea_popescu;congress is actually entirely powerless to stop someone who does not wish to spend. 1091493;1428448848;mircea_popescu;there's literally nothing anyone can do to force the president to spend money, a bias that actually comes from the olden days that's never been challenged, ever. 1091494;1428448898;mircea_popescu;i suppose they could impeach him, of course, but that'll be the lulz of all time. "he was impeached for not spending!!1" 1091495;1428448910;BingoBoingo;Emergency Powers Act 1091496;1428448924;mircea_popescu;like "honey, i noticed our credit cards aren't even maxed anymore. i thought you promised to go shopping with the girls ? you know what... fuck this, i want a divorce" 1091497;1428448926;trinque;heh could he declare an emergency due to infiltration by communists? 1091498;1428448933;trinque;arrest congress 1091499;1428448945;BingoBoingo;Arrest Congress during recess, then don't spend... win 1091500;1428448946;mircea_popescu;trinque in similar circumstances yeltsin ordered the duma bombarded. 1091501;1428448948;mircea_popescu;he won. 1091502;1428448969;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5GVL3xN4KI 1091503;1428448970;assbot;#1993coup: Russian White House burns after being bombarded by tanks - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5iur4 ) 1091504;1428449009;*;trinque claps 1091505;1428449086;trinque;I've met his dad several times, and he's the only politician I've enjoyed speaking to 1091506;1428449183;trinque;either Paul would not conceivably stand in the way of bitcoin, among other sane perspectives 1091507;1428449397;pete_dushenski;by the time 2016 rolls around, there will be no one nuts enough to 'stand in the way' 1091508;1428449417;pete_dushenski;they'll be pointing the hoover dam at a mining farm 1091509;1428449443;pete_dushenski;ok, mebbe that's 2036... 1091510;1428449613;trinque;we shall see 1091511;1428449630;trinque;by then the hoover dam might be gone, or the colorado river might be dry 1091512;1428449745;pete_dushenski;"In a prototype, aluminum was used to make the negatively-charged anode while graphite provided material for the positively charged cathode. A prototype aluminum battery recharged in one minute, the scientists said." 1091513;1428449758;pete_dushenski;trinque anything's possible 1091514;1428449760;funkenstein_;colorado river is already dry when it reaches the grande 1091515;1428449899;pete_dushenski;https://www.informatica.com << apparently worth $5.3 bn to canada pension plan and permira 1091516;1428449903;assbot;Informatica: Data integration leader for Big Data & Cloud Analytics ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybMEoR ) 1091517;1428449947;trinque;ipad.. check 1091518;1428449948;asciilifeform; trinque president can actually fire the entire government. and, logically, any serious president would have to << and get jfk'd. 1091519;1428449954;trinque;^ 1091520;1428449962;asciilifeform;and he only tried to close one ministry. 1091521;1428449991;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIzfXOfpFcA 1091522;1428449992;assbot;Jesse Ventura talks about CIA implanted in State Government, his CIA interrogation and trip to Cuba! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybMKgl ) 1091523;1428449994;asciilifeform; ... A prototype aluminum battery recharged in one minute, the scientists said." << what charges in 1min, can discharge in 1m. 1091524;1428450001;asciilifeform;there is no counter-argument possible. 1091525;1428450018;asciilifeform;in fact, typically what charges in 1m can discharge in 1ms. 1091526;1428450023;pete_dushenski;haha suppose so 1091527;1428450042;asciilifeform;pink meat mist. 1091528;1428450099;trinque;in the vid Jessie Ventura recounts being summoned to the CIA to be questioned after election to the minnesota governorship 1091529;1428450185;asciilifeform;a modern 'jfk' might not be shot, but petraeused or childpronned instead 1091530;1428450194;asciilifeform;depending on the acuteness of the need. 1091531;1428450210;trinque;they know not to let another JFK in to begin with 1091532;1428450254;asciilifeform;and before mircea_popescu observes that 'no one has the balls' - if the 'balls-enabled' jfk appeared, a 'counter-jfk' would materialize out of thin aether 1091533;1428450263;trinque;Ventura mentions the CIA questioning was about "how did you get elected?" 1091534;1428450291;asciilifeform;trinque: ergo we know who -actually- rules usa. 1091535;1428450297;trinque;of course 1091536;1428450335;trinque;the actual government of the USA is a national security secret... 1091537;1428450519;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Why did you start me on the ebay wanderings http://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Chevrolet-C70-Fire-Truck-beautiful-truck-/191549706046?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c99408f3e&item=191549706046 1091538;1428450521;assbot; 1981 Chevrolet C70 Fire Truck Beautiful Truck | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNqSU ) 1091539;1428450535;ben_vulpes;apropos of nothing: https://kmikeym.com/questions/85 1091540;1428450536;assbot; KmikeyM.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNthz ) 1091541;1428450587;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what is this horror 1091542;1428450619;trinque;"I'll leave this up to your discretion... if you ever put a tail on me again without telling me, you're gonna fine your tail floating in the river. Now you take that back to whoever needs to know it." 1091543;1428450625;trinque;god damn Jessie Ventura is a bad motherfucker. 1091544;1428450640;trinque;*find 1091545;1428450669;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo yw 1091546;1428450743;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Seriously http://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Ford-Tanker-F-800-/191551890188?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c9961e30c&item=191551890188 1091547;1428450745;assbot; 1983 Ford Tanker F 800 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNIJk ) 1091548;1428450794;pete_dushenski;you're really an emergency vehicle kinda guy eh ? 1091549;1428450810;pete_dushenski;lemme guess, childhood wall poster of ghostbusters wagon ? 1091550;1428450829;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Maybe, but now I'm just thinking of the pranks they enable 1091551;1428450853;BingoBoingo;Also with all of that storage would make a great RV 1091552;1428450956;BingoBoingo;Fill the thing up with tents, condoms, and lube and you could have a mobile orgy center 1091553;1428451001;pete_dushenski;and hoses for cleaning off after, i could sorta see it if you were into rv'ing 1091554;1428451011;mats;lol. 1091555;1428451051;pete_dushenski;though i'll take a plane and high-end hotel room any day, and i'll still come out ahead on costs compared to 'high-end rv' 1091556;1428451062;BingoBoingo;And seriously what isn't to like about a giant toolbox that just happens to have wheels and a motor 1091557;1428451068;pete_dushenski;hard to compete with the price of those old beaters tho 1091558;1428451088;pete_dushenski;um, other than needing the physical space to store it ? 1091559;1428451113;pete_dushenski;if you have a farm, then w/e, but avowed urbanites need not apply 1091560;1428451183;BingoBoingo;What is this storage business. This is the thing you store other things in. 1091561;1428451266;pete_dushenski;right. in the walmart parking lot where you live. 1091562;1428451303;trinque;I'd live in a sufficiently large vehicle 1091563;1428451329;mats;you people... 1091564;1428451335;trinque;wouldn't mind getting one of the vw camper vans at some point 1091565;1428451396;mats;http://www.kansasrvcenter.com/inventory/442567/New-2015-Lifestyle-Luxury-RV-Alfa-Gold-3905SH-Motorcycle-Storage-Area.aspx 1091566;1428451397;assbot;New 2015 Lifestyle Luxury RV Alfa Gold 3905SH Motorcycle Storage Area Fifth Wheels at Kansas RV Center Chanute Kansas Kansas RV Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fj8JPb ) 1091567;1428451408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 459 @ 0.00274 = 1.2577 BTC [-] {4} 1091568;1428451417;punkman;I like this, if only it had less hippies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHGKUh-5O4 1091569;1428451419;assbot;Unbelievable House Truck Transforms Into Fantasy Castle - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fj8N1n ) 1091570;1428451571;BingoBoingo;Firetruck is immenently useful in post USG world. Break out the hoses on former desk jockeys. 1091571;1428451597;BingoBoingo;Also if you get one with a big tank, maybe some money smuggling freshwater into california. 1091572;1428451622;trinque;punkman: I wouldn't mind seeing a non-hippy/burner version of that 1091573;1428451866;punkman;re:monitors https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB49ad5UIAEqgaO.jpg:large 1091574;1428451866;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybP8DM ) 1091575;1428452042;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: jekyll and hyde in america gone horribly wrong 1091576;1428452506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00027685 = 3.9313 BTC [+] {2} 1091577;1428452842;BingoBoingo;Where's Africa http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/04/07/countries_that_have_developed_a_smallmolecule_drug.php 1091578;1428452843;assbot;Countries That Have Developed A Small-Molecule Drug. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybQoXw ) 1091579;1428452908;pete_dushenski;!s backbox 1091580;1428452909;assbot;0 results for 'backbox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=backbox 1091581;1428452942;BingoBoingo;!s blackbox 1091582;1428452943;assbot;8 results for 'blackbox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blackbox 1091583;1428452992;pete_dushenski;was looking for the linux distro.. 1091584;1428453075;BingoBoingo;http://www.backbox.org/ ??? 1091585;1428453076;assbot;Home | BackBox Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybQG0u ) 1091586;1428453122;pete_dushenski;mhm 1091587;1428453493;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins` 1091588;1428454036;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there's a reason orlov et al live in boats and not trucks 1091589;1428454093;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, but I'm not just contemplating trucks, but trucks with flashing lights! 1091590;1428454129;trinque;BingoBoingo: put a snow plow on the front too 1091591;1428454131;trinque;good crowd control 1091592;1428454136;asciilifeform;land vehicles are not only lacking in the distance-from-other-schmucks aspect of the boat, but in usa are specifically (ianal - check with up-to-date sources) excluded from the juridicial definition of 'home' for the purposes of search&seizure 1091593;1428454190;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Excluded when moving or on a public right of way. when not moving on any private property they can rapidly convert to domicile 1091594;1428454211;asciilifeform;iirc, only if said property is your own 1091595;1428454225;BingoBoingo;Maybe. 1091596;1428454263;BingoBoingo;Still in international waters pretty much any navy/coast guard reserves the right to conduct colonoscopy 1091597;1428454284;asciilifeform;likewise, if your vehicle contains a toilet - you are more or less stuck at least frequenting the dismal ghettoschwitzes where such machines are typically kept at anchor 1091598;1428454320;BingoBoingo;firetrucks don't have toilets, but they have shovels for digging your own toilets as needed 1091599;1428454320;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in international waters, they need a reason to take detour 1091600;1428454367;BingoBoingo;need is an awfully loaded word considering the incursions on the somali coast by nation-state actors 1091601;1428454391;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've often wondered who will be the first in this century to fill a fire truck with petrol. 1091602;1428454394;asciilifeform;the water tank, that is 1091603;1428454416;asciilifeform;best done on a column of soldiers. 1091604;1428454419;asciilifeform;don't light it! 1091605;1428454431;BingoBoingo;I'd be worried about unloading petrol through pump designed for water. Pump might ignite itself 1091606;1428454434;asciilifeform;it usually sinks in, goes the folk story, before anyone fires. 1091607;1428454458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6190 @ 0.00026897 = 1.6649 BTC [-] {2} 1091608;1428454468;asciilifeform;surrender - get a shower. 1091609;1428454529;BingoBoingo;Just have to avoid the tempation to follow the Roman firefighting tradition 1091610;1428454539;BingoBoingo;Builds ill will with the locals 1091611;1428454712;BingoBoingo;See Crassus 1091612;1428454828;asciilifeform;(source of the 'flameless flamethrower' stratagem - u.s. grunts in vietnam, applied to rice paddies with hidden men) 1091613;1428454841;*;asciilifeform wasn't there, cannot vouch for efficacy 1091614;1428454928;BingoBoingo;Ah 1091615;1428457105;BingoBoingo;!up Pierre_Rochard 1091616;1428457296;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ill believe it when i see it. 1091617;1428457944;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091529 << exactly zero chances of that sort of dumb shit to stick. 1091618;1428457944;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 23:43:05; asciilifeform: a modern 'jfk' might not be shot, but petraeused or childpronned instead 1091619;1428457967;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't stick on anyone else, like p, except they keep confessing like the pastiass dickless shitheads they are. 1091620;1428457995;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091532 << o yea ? somehow i dun see it. 1091621;1428457995;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 23:44:14; asciilifeform: and before mircea_popescu observes that 'no one has the balls' - if the 'balls-enabled' jfk appeared, a 'counter-jfk' would materialize out of thin aether 1091622;1428458115;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091539 << what is this dumb shit ? 1091623;1428458115;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 23:48:55; ben_vulpes: apropos of nothing: https://kmikeym.com/questions/85 1091624;1428458229;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091555 << not to mention you wouldn't be stuck with the impotent sort of potheads that crowd a "orgy rv" to the point of total cockblockage. 1091625;1428458229;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 23:57:31; pete_dushenski: though i'll take a plane and high-end hotel room any day, and i'll still come out ahead on costs compared to 'high-end rv' 1091626;1428458298;mats;i'm watching "Blackhat" atm, p funny so far 1091627;1428458347;mats;.cn sysop uses yubikey at his terminal, "he's using gpg encryption... it'll take me at least a month to crack it... it must be at least a 512 bit key" 1091628;1428458371;mats;er, these are distinct things, but anyway. 1091629;1428458416;danielpbarron;the kmikeym thing is "the first publically traded person" 1091630;1428458421;danielpbarron;Of course it's not a real share like you might buy on the NYSE or NASDAQ. There is no company behind KmikeyM and so the "ownership" you hold is actually a just a metaphor for trust. We have built a fully-functional market simulation and we borrow a lot of language and concepts from the business world in order to make the process easy to understand. 1091631;1428458429;BingoBoingo; ... << not to mention you wouldn't be stuck with the impotent sort of potheads that crowd a "orgy rv" to the point of total cockblockage. << But... Firetruck. They put the lotion on the skin, or they get the hose again 1091632;1428458440;mircea_popescu;yeah. right. 1091633;1428458484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20041 @ 0.00027723 = 5.556 BTC [+] 1091634;1428458674;asciilifeform;mats: wut. 1091635;1428458702;asciilifeform;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2717822 << l0l! apparently - exists 1091636;1428458703;assbot;Blackhat (2015) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJ9RzT ) 1091637;1428458729;*;asciilifeform cannot bring himself to watch 'hacking' films newer than 'war games' 1091638;1428458751;asciilifeform;!s zebra hitler 1091639;1428458752;assbot;2 results for 'zebra hitler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zebra+hitler 1091640;1428458825;mircea_popescu;i never saw a good "hacking" film. 1091641;1428458831;mircea_popescu;alw\ays loathed the genre. 1091642;1428458832;asciilifeform;afaik there are none 1091643;1428458835;asciilifeform;nor could there be. 1091644;1428458942;mats;i was told michael mann is known for making relatively accurate movies 1091645;1428458962;mats;oh wow these chinese shooters don't know how to clear rooms 1091646;1428458985;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1091647;1428458986;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GAKKY9.txt ) 1091648;1428458994;asciilifeform;who clears rooms by shooting, anyway 1091649;1428459002;asciilifeform;i thought the civilized way was with frag 1091650;1428459014;mats;civilized way is with four dudes and a perimeter. 1091651;1428459033;BingoBoingo; i thought the civilized way was with frag << With flash and bang unless you know walls actually protect yourself 1091652;1428459042;asciilifeform;'you enter a room in pairs. first your frag, then you' (ru adage) 1091653;1428459067;mats;those fatal funnels are a bear. 1091654;1428459113;TomServo;mircea_popescu: ever seen Sneakers? 1091655;1428459120;mircea_popescu;nope 1091656;1428459145;TomServo;Best 'hacking' movie I can think of.. maybe check it out. 1091657;1428459177;mircea_popescu;1992 ?! 1091658;1428459195;TomServo;That's the one 1091659;1428459213;mircea_popescu;robert redford dan akroid ok im not watching this. 1091660;1428459216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34137 @ 0.00027034 = 9.2286 BTC [-] {2} 1091661;1428459217;mircea_popescu;but thanks for playing. 1091662;1428459263;mircea_popescu;magical box that breaks secrets, this isn't a film about hacking, this is scherezade in a "modern" color scheme. 1091663;1428459275;mircea_popescu;has as much to do with computers as with aladin. 1091664;1428459350;asciilifeform;somebody (greg egan?) had a short story with such a box, that wasn't utterly retarded 1091665;1428459378;asciilifeform;the catch was that the magical box didn't really break the crypto, but distorted the universe to fit the operator's preconceptions of what the plaintext was. 1091666;1428459387;asciilifeform;to lulzy result. 1091667;1428459418;mircea_popescu;this is why i fucking hate sf. 1091668;1428459466;nubbins`;more woodcollector lulz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg11015914#msg11015914 1091669;1428459467;assbot;[2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJbrls ) 1091670;1428459472;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 << neato 1091671;1428459472;assbot;So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJbrBU ) 1091672;1428459505;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1091673;1428459521;mircea_popescu;mats you rly should add sources to all that, impossibru to follow in snippets like that. 1091674;1428459606;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no fucking way. you actually recognized a... WINDOW AND PLUG assembly ? 1091675;1428459608;mats;sources? the url is appended to the end 1091676;1428459619;*;nubbins` snaps on hat 1091677;1428459625;nubbins`;detective nubs 1091678;1428459643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00027723 = 6.0436 BTC [+] 1091679;1428459646;mats;the ones that don't, i found on westlaw but not the crawlable internets 1091680;1428459660;mircea_popescu;ps. nubbins` : Your an idiot, and that is not the argument i am having. 1091681;1428459667;nubbins`;HEH 1091682;1428459676;hanbot; i never saw a good "hacking" film. << for prime cheese: WarGames, 83 1091683;1428459678;nubbins`;i'm starting to think that it is i who is wc 1091684;1428459700;mircea_popescu;hanbot yeah i skipped that. 1091685;1428459716;mircea_popescu;mats ah look at that right you are! nice. 1091686;1428459749;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: mats has been on this for a while. I almost contributed then... qntra. Dude's been digging like mad. 1091687;1428459752;nubbins`;mats doin that homework 1091688;1428459766;mircea_popescu;0 In U.S. v. Scarfo (Criminal Action No. 00404 (NHP)), Politan denied << that one has nothing for instance. 1091689;1428459794;mircea_popescu;0 In U.S. v. Friedman (No. 95CR192 (S3)(ARR), < etc. but they do have the indexes so that's pretty good 1091690;1428459801;mircea_popescu;what was the problem, no internet available data ? 1091691;1428459817;mats;no data available on the specific action, usually 1091692;1428459834;mircea_popescu;aha. 1091693;1428459873;mats;usually data available for the relevant case 1091694;1428459889;BingoBoingo;;;google B-52 polar growl 1091695;1428459890;gribble;B-52s fly to North Sea, Arctic for NATO exercise - Air Force Times: ; POLAR GROWL strengthens Allied interoperability, essential ...: ; Polar Growl strengthens allied interoperability, bomber navigation ...: (1 more message) 1091696;1428459895;mircea_popescu;!rated mats 1091697;1428459895;assbot;You have not rated mats. 1091698;1428459902;nubbins`;damn, no donations to payout address for task 1. 1091699;1428459911;nubbins`;why'd i spend all that time looking up judge names anyway ;/ 1091700;1428459915;mircea_popescu;!rate mats 1 Lotta paralegal work on http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ 1091701;1428459915;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7fc091826ba17d09 1091702;1428459915;assbot;So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJcsd0 ) 1091703;1428459926;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i thought it was global ? 1091704;1428459996;nubbins`;mm? 1091705;1428460059;mircea_popescu;people had a way to donate specifically, if they wanted, but the bulk is global. 1091706;1428460112;nubbins`;ahh, i see 1091707;1428460113;mats;i'm fairly convinced this project has gone as far as it can go without professional input 1091708;1428460135;*;nubbins` re-reads actual article 1091709;1428460163;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "professional" 1091710;1428460188;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.mats.1:060bf7cf7cce64b6ee03db87caa7bb232b33ee77d9fe4a7c4e07fcbfff58b46d 1091711;1428460189;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mats with note: Lotta paralegal work on http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ 1091712;1428460237;mircea_popescu;"and viola Nubbins is a monkeys uncle." 1091713;1428460239;mircea_popescu;slowclap. 1091714;1428460257;nubbins`;morbidly fascinating neh 1091715;1428460383;mircea_popescu;well... "the people have rights", right ? and everyone's the same, right ? at which point we can spend forever talking over the internet with clearly disturbed ignorant idiot. 1091716;1428460589;BingoBoingo;mats single handedly took on the legal equivalent of pogo linux and won 1091717;1428460668;mircea_popescu;mats how much did you spend on this btw ? 1091718;1428460803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00027602 = 8.805 BTC [-] {2} 1091719;1428460898;mats;the legal database access was free due to my use of a university's subscription and something in the neighborhood of 400 hours 1091720;1428460972;nubbins`;:o 1091721;1428461149;mircea_popescu;no i meant time 1091722;1428461162;mircea_popescu;o.O 1091723;1428461183;mircea_popescu;this has to be a meme. mats pic and the caption "i don't always go on research binges on the internet. but when i do, we're talking 400 hours bish!" 1091724;1428461195;punkman;nubbins`: lol, how many accounts does that guy have on the forum 1091725;1428461228;mircea_popescu;nubbins` your such an idiot man. 1091726;1428461277;mircea_popescu;i did it in my digital print dirivitive. also i added some ants, because it kinda looks like a spider web which makes sense. 1091727;1428461399;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Alt flameless flamethrower, various ergot products and DMSO 1091728;1428461402;punkman;ants love playing in spider webs 1091729;1428461518;mircea_popescu;"i have 0 cookies and am so locked down that i have to log in every time a page changes" 1091730;1428461521;nubbins`;in the meantime, i realized that another one of his old customers is also into casascius coins, as he bid on my auction 1091731;1428461525;mircea_popescu;7.5 proxies. 1091732;1428461534;nubbins`;so it's uh, not just blazed that paid the guy $$$$ for wood :o 1091733;1428461535;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this was considered by various folks (in somewhat different variant) and the answer is that the product breaks down in water unacceptably quickly. 1091734;1428461546;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i have my doubts blazed paid him anything. 1091735;1428461556;mircea_popescu;more like "here's something, say you paid me a lot for it, it'll look good on both of us" 1091736;1428461563;mircea_popescu;sorta like ver "invested" in whatever the shit. 1091737;1428461585;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Can store seperatley though, especially in complex apparatus with multiple pumps and tanks 1091738;1428461593;asciilifeform; mats single handedly took on the legal equivalent of pogo linux and won << considerably more interesting than pogo linux 1091739;1428461604;mircea_popescu;different things, not serializable. 1091740;1428461616;asciilifeform;(which, after all, is a pretty standard 'we have a router, now let's a linux' affair) 1091741;1428461668;mircea_popescu;"I'm calling you out on this one, answer or lose whatever credibility you had because there is 1 MILLION percent no way you have a single shred of proof that i am anyone or anything especially some guy in vietnam who sells wooden shit and if you ain't going to back up your BS i will rally every single body that you pulled your fake "probable alt of _____________" and lead a campaign of ensuring you never have the credi 1091742;1428461669;mircea_popescu;bility to do it again." 1091743;1428461695;nubbins`;where's the threat post... 1091744;1428461698;asciilifeform;tilt 1091745;1428461750;mircea_popescu;badbear being i suppose one of the very few people who managed to wade through the tardsforum and more or less retain some sort of credibility. 1091746;1428461779;nubbins`;lel here's another alt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423829.msg4629992#msg4629992 1091747;1428461779;assbot;I need your creativity for 2 minutes PLEASE ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJgoe0 ) 1091748;1428461827;nubbins`;bitcoinsociety@yahoo.com was the email used to register the weird cats website, as well as a bunch of random asic mining-related domains 1091749;1428461832;nubbins`;:S 1091750;1428461858;asciilifeform;when did sc4mz0rz stop using 'reg by proxy' services ? 1091751;1428461866;punkman;"I have decided to use half my bitcoin ( about 3,300 coins ) to form a self funded organization with the sole purpose of helping to spread information about bitcoin to the world through mass media, local "troops" or small groups, a website, blog, billboards, magazine ad's, TV. and whatever else 3,300 bitcoins will afford me." 1091752;1428461868;asciilifeform;i mean, wtf, elementary 1091753;1428462089;punkman;"Guerilla marketing is probably the most effective means, vinyl stickers at urinals on mirrors under drive thru windows under the drive thru speaker bumper stickers and the great thing about bitcoin is the stickers could actually have a qr code that links you to some free satoshis so people that never considered buying bitcoin just have to pull out there phone" 1091754;1428462100;punkman;good thread 1091755;1428462136;mircea_popescu;check it out, it's like 2011. 1091756;1428462160;punkman;2011 or 1981, I mean stickers?! 1091757;1428462176;mircea_popescu;when all the world is young lad, and every scribble a business plan... 1091758;1428462214;punkman;"Nitrogen i totally agree with you on the gorilla marketing idea, I have had lots of ideas on how to move forward, but lost myself in aggravation for 2 days not being able to name it." 1091759;1428462255;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/ 1091760;1428462256;assbot;A deal can be anything. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTVkee ) 1091761;1428462352;nubbins`;heh 1091762;1428462355;asciilifeform;the marvel is not the continued existence of the woodcollectors, as such, but of the plankton they eat 1091763;1428462358;nubbins`;i give up, it's socks all the way down 1091764;1428462364;nubbins`;guy makes socks to call out his other socks for being socks 1091765;1428462381;nubbins`;\o/ 1091766;1428462382;mircea_popescu;the wonders of a living wage, and generaly welfare etatism. 1091767;1428462390;mircea_popescu;people gotta do *something* with all that time. 1091768;1428462394;mircea_popescu;dirivitives. 1091769;1428462416;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if this character didn't have a grueling day job 1091770;1428462440;punkman;grueling day job and time to make 250 forum accounts? 1091771;1428462442;mircea_popescu;his wife/mother supports him. 1091772;1428462446;mircea_popescu;women are fucking dumb like that. 1091773;1428462452;mircea_popescu;recall the case of the "forum banker" dude ? 1091774;1428462458;mircea_popescu;cartels, stuff ? 1091775;1428462466;asciilifeform;grueling day job could easily be -where- he made 250 accounts 1091776;1428462471;nubbins`;^ 1091777;1428462472;asciilifeform;not on official orders, naturally 1091778;1428462475;punkman;then not grueling 1091779;1428462476;asciilifeform;but while waiting for bell to ring 1091780;1428462481;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-lolcows-the-musical-today-kludge/ 1091781;1428462482;assbot;Bitcoin Lolcows, the musical. Today, Kludge on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJhNB6 ) 1091782;1428462483;punkman;more like browsing job 1091783;1428462486;nubbins`;grueling day job walking the aisles, looking for shoplifters 1091784;1428462514;asciilifeform;nubbins`: can you picture how many folks are paid to sit (not necessarily even at a computer, could be a pNohe in one hand) and wait for a bell to ring ? 1091785;1428462518;nubbins`;actually no i'd say he's a full time scammer 1091786;1428462529;nubbins`;the wood coins, the digital prints, the cats for sale, the bullets... 1091787;1428462544;nubbins`;he gets enough dribbles from actual suckers to make it worth doing 1091788;1428462559;asciilifeform;then - not a 'welfare case', no ? 1091789;1428462568;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guy's not doing anything sueful. he's too broadly illiterate to ever be able to get a job, and his attitude precludes the sort of job you're thinking about. 1091790;1428462576;mircea_popescu;his manager would basically make him crawl six hours a day. 1091791;1428462578;nubbins`;prob on social assistance, prob supplementing it with scams. 1091792;1428462587;nubbins`;prob sells dope too. 1091793;1428462591;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not even. just, full time internet imbecile. like a "wikipedia editor" or something. 1091794;1428462599;mircea_popescu;"twitter famous" 1091795;1428462615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he could easily be something like a sysadmin 1091796;1428462622;asciilifeform;or some other 'guardhouse' type 1091797;1428462623;mircea_popescu;and i bet you he does not. he gets enough dribbles in the sense of, attention, to keep whatever unfortunate woman paying the bills. 1091798;1428462628;nubbins`;sysadmin who smokes and owns a lathe? 1091799;1428462631;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sysadmin ? DUDE 1091800;1428462635;nubbins`;although 1091801;1428462638;mircea_popescu;gtfo already. sysadmins CAN SPELL 1091802;1428462641;nubbins`;his hands do look purdy. 1091803;1428462641;mircea_popescu;tf 1091804;1428462642;*;asciilifeform was once a sysadmin 1091805;1428462643;mircea_popescu;df 1091806;1428462645;mircea_popescu;WTF WAS IT 1091807;1428462650;mircea_popescu;msaux 1091808;1428462657;mircea_popescu;nado stuff.txt 1091809;1428462675;mircea_popescu;hisbory | greb "wut u sae" 1091810;1428462682;nubbins`;heu 1091811;1428462688;decimation;http://www.cbsnews.com/news/power-company-investigated-after-carbon-monoxide-kills-family/ < speaking of welfare state. derp decided to stop paying power bill, power was cut, derp then decided to run gas generator inside the house, killed self and offspring 1091812;1428462689;assbot;Power company investigated after carbon monoxide kills family - CBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJig6z ) 1091813;1428462701;asciilifeform;^ l0l saw that earlier 1091814;1428462704;asciilifeform;darwin nominee 1091815;1428462704;mircea_popescu;power company should get subsidy. 1091816;1428462713;mircea_popescu;"$1000 for each head" 1091817;1428462720;decimation;Todd had received assistance paying his utility bills in the past, but did not apply for help this year, said Tom VanLandingham, who directs the Office of Home Energy Programs in Somerset County. Families can apply once a year, and assistance is based on household income and energy use, among other factors. "We're all kind of baffled as to why he did not apply this year ... that's the million-dollar question," VanLandingham said 1091818;1428462722;decimation;before the utility's announcement. 1091819;1428462726;decimation;lol 1091820;1428462735;asciilifeform;interesting detail that it was generator and not a stove 1091821;1428462750;asciilifeform;typically they try to set up a stove and gasenwagen 1091822;1428462760;decimation;so in the us, you can work to pay usg tax, or work to beg from usg 1091823;1428462785;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/7w3WLGo 1091824;1428462786;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJir1F ) 1091825;1428462794;nubbins`;^ i suppose those qualify as sysadmin hands 1091826;1428462796;decimation;"Court records identified the boys as Cameron and ZhiHeem, and the girls as Tyjuziana, Tykeria, Tynijuzia, TyNiah and Tybreyia. " 1091827;1428462806;mircea_popescu;nubbins` imo looks like a woman's hand. 1091828;1428462809;asciilifeform;^^ 1091829;1428462813;asciilifeform;that was my thought 1091830;1428462817;decimation;me too 1091831;1428462839;mircea_popescu;yeah, harem agrees. that's a woman. 1091832;1428462841;decimation;is the ring finger shorter than the index? 1091833;1428462851;mircea_popescu;actually, i'l; go on a limb and say that is THE woman. 1091834;1428462857;asciilifeform;^ iirc that heuristic doesn't werk 1091835;1428462866;mircea_popescu;guy is "managing" her, they make up "a team". he's the "marketeer" because he "can bullshit" 1091836;1428462872;decimation;asciilifeform: sure it does 1091837;1428462900;mircea_popescu;"Tyjuziana, Tykeria, Tynijuzia, TyNiah and Tybreyia." << ;/ 1091838;1428462908;mircea_popescu;who wouldn't want to try out an orgy with these five ? 1091839;1428462917;asciilifeform;decimation: which way was it supposed to work again ? 1091840;1428462944;decimation;http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/04-finger-length-ratio-can-predict-aggressive-behavior-and-risk-of-disease 1091841;1428462946;assbot;Finger Length Predicts Health and Behavior | DiscoverMagazine.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTWzKw ) 1091842;1428462972;BingoBoingo; recall the case of the "forum banker" dude ? << Kludge!!! 1091843;1428462975;decimation;longer ring finger = more manly 1091844;1428462980;mircea_popescu;and by "predict" we mean "random correlations" 1091845;1428462987;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ayup 1091846;1428463036;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e42e4ae7dee18106d5e60a02bfeae56c/tumblr_ng1mlr62AZ1sovis0o1_1280.jpg 1091847;1428463037;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTWGWh ) 1091848;1428463037;asciilifeform;decimation: i oughta be a eunuch if it were true 1091849;1428463063;decimation;you have a longer index finger? 1091850;1428463084;asciilifeform;aha 1091851;1428463108;decimation;supposedly one study found it correlated with prenatal testosterone 1091852;1428463112;asciilifeform;i remember reading this crap years ago and calling bull 1091853;1428463190;asciilifeform;maybe we oughta do phrenology next 1091854;1428463207;mircea_popescu;if by it you mean "this looks like a woman's face" ? 1091855;1428463210;asciilifeform;it makes considerably more sense on the surface than the finger thing 1091856;1428463311;asciilifeform;the weird thing about woodsc4mz0r's hands is the lack of whiskers 1091857;1428463345;asciilifeform;(perhaps he did feynman's magic trick with petrol hands one too many times?) 1091858;1428463400;decimation;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2732043/ 1091859;1428463402;assbot;Human 2D (index) and 4D (ring) finger lengths and ratios: cross-sectional data on linear growth patterns, sexual dimorphism and lateral asymmetry from 4 to 60 years of age ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJjI8W ) 1091860;1428463430;decimation;are you left handed ascii? 1091861;1428463437;asciilifeform;nope 1091862;1428463513;decimation;it's amusing to me that this is actually a controversial point 1091863;1428463539;decimation;how hard would it be to recruit a few thousand people to get a hand xray on a calibrated machine 1091864;1428463547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00027894 = 13.0683 BTC [+] {2} 1091865;1428463552;*;BingoBoingo is alternately left or right handed depending on the task at... hand 1091866;1428463557;decimation;apparently 'medical researchers' have better things to do 1091867;1428463586;asciilifeform;decimation: no need for xray, just buy off some outfit that handles 'palmprint' door locks for usg 1091868;1428463616;decimation;heh 1091869;1428463628;decimation;yeah a camera under glass would work 1091870;1428463913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00027163 = 3.5991 BTC [-] {2} 1091871;1428464245;decimation;asciilifeform: reading more about the ubiquiti thing, it's not obvious to me that replacing with freebsd would do anything 1091872;1428464269;decimation;one would have to replace the bootloader, and apparently they are refusing to release their mods to u-boot source code 1091873;1428464270;asciilifeform;decimation: it gets rid of the read-only mtd 1091874;1428464288;asciilifeform;decimation: you don't need their mods, except if you're working on exposing the particulars of the fraud 1091875;1428464297;asciilifeform;decimation: just build from scratch as i did for 'pogo' 1091876;1428464444;decimation;asciilifeform: aye, would have to dick around with u-boot and the data sheet 1091877;1428464490;decimation;http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/07/major-power-outage-in-dc-affecting-umd-white-house/ < But it was a 230,000 volt line that shorted. Partially charred ceramic insulators show electric crews what went wrong at a Charles County switching station, causing midday confusion and triggering a widespread blackout across D.C. and its suburbs. 1091878;1428464492;assbot;Pepco: Downed Transmission Line Responsible For D.C. Power Outages « CBS Baltimore ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJlXJs ) 1091879;1428464500;decimation;it's rare that a major distribution line fails like that 1091880;1428464511;decimation;they are supposed to inspect those for exactly this kind of issue 1091881;1428464531;decimation;^ the power line was probably coming from the nuke plant on the chesapeake bay 1091882;1428464602;BingoBoingo;decimation: Last summer My town suffered a 12+ hour blackout because the largest incoming transmission line melted 1091883;1428464672;asciilifeform;the 'one fallen wire' story is a lie of omission 1091884;1428464680;asciilifeform;there is normally redundancy in the grid. 1091885;1428464696;asciilifeform;the 'one wire,' even if true, can only be the 'straw that broke camel's back' 1091886;1428464699;decimation;yeah, that's a good point 1091887;1428464716;asciilifeform;none of the mouthpieces will discuss this, no surprise 1091888;1428464719;asciilifeform;but it remains. 1091889;1428464810;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if the line falls right out of the transformer, like first 100 feet, it may cut it out 1091890;1428464895;decimation;http://www.utilitydive.com/news/cascading-outages-hit-maryland-and-dc-conflicting-reports-emerge-over-caus/384088/ 1091891;1428464896;assbot;Cascading outages hit Maryland and DC; conflicting reports emerge over cause | Utility Dive ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJmNG3 ) 1091892;1428464914;decimation;it does sound like someone fucked up 1091893;1428464924;decimation;beyond the line failure 1091894;1428464927;asciilifeform;or chinese '3 point' test. 1091895;1428464950;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, turns out luxury not so luxurious after all ? 1091896;1428464964;decimation;re: earlier discussion about power generation 1091897;1428464966;BingoBoingo; the 'one wire,' even if true, can only be the 'straw that broke camel's back' << It was August during peak consumption. Amren stopped delivering anything through the town's 5 MW backup line so the 30 MW transmission line failed at 38.5 MW and started a small swiftly contained brush fire. (/me thinks he got the units right) 1091898;1428464974;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i heard nothing about caviar spoiling in the fridges at 'lockheed' or 'raytheon' 1091899;1428464983;decimation;actually I think the end result is going to be a mass migration away from centralized power to solar 1091900;1428464990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform white house was out of power. 1091901;1428464993;decimation;solar has dropped to $3 per watt installed 1091902;1428465001;mircea_popescu;dja understand how un-american htis is ? 1091903;1428465005;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whorehouse was also out of power, i bet 1091904;1428465021;decimation;in certain areas of the us, you could buy enough solar panels to power yourself indefinitely for the price of a car 1091905;1428465026;mircea_popescu;"However, there were also multiple reports about an explosion or fire, including a reported explosion at a southern Maryland power plant. " 1091906;1428465032;asciilifeform;decimation: power in the middle of a clear day, sure 1091907;1428465033;mircea_popescu;odds are this was a successful terrorist hit, actually. 1091908;1428465038;asciilifeform;decimation: when not including airconditioner 1091909;1428465040;mircea_popescu;exactly matches the denial pattern 1091910;1428465056;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, I'm including overage 1091911;1428465056;BingoBoingo; actually I think the end result is going to be a mass migration away from centralized power to solar << local hillbill town is about to add solar farm on abandoned manufactering ground to supplement diesel, on coop's dime 1091912;1428465069;decimation;obviously one needs batteries, and that's the rub right nwo 1091913;1428465081;BingoBoingo;NiFe Ftw 1091914;1428465094;mircea_popescu;"Pepco cited a "dip in voltage" as the cause of the outage in its release." derp. the cause of the outage was caused by the cause of the causative agent. 1091915;1428465113;decimation;right, what that means is "Pepco said some stuff, hoping folks would quit asking" 1091916;1428465136;decimation;generally the strategy for utilities is to smile and nod, and wait until next week when nobody gives a shit 1091917;1428465156;mircea_popescu;this was actually bombed. 1091918;1428465180;mircea_popescu;"A Charles County, Maryland official confirmed to Utility Dive that an explosion occurred at a substation. However, CBS reported that their sources tell them there was no explosion at all, while the Associated Press reported that the explosion occurred at a power plant." 1091919;1428465191;asciilifeform;there is -always- explosion at substation! 1091920;1428465195;asciilifeform;this is what happens on overload 1091921;1428465203;mircea_popescu;three people three stories and fractured exactly on the lines of, local authority | propaganda mouthpiece | international agency 1091922;1428465210;asciilifeform;of american-style grid, at any rate 1091923;1428465220;mircea_popescu;actually it should just cut off. 1091924;1428465238;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how knows when to cut ? 1091925;1428465239;asciilifeform;overcurrent 1091926;1428465251;asciilifeform;it's a classic 'how to get fuse that blows before the rest of it' problem 1091927;1428465257;asciilifeform;and is only solvable to a limited extent 1091928;1428465258;decimation;looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCS8xeobg 1091929;1428465260;assbot;Power Plant Substation Explodes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzTXWV ) 1091930;1428465263;mircea_popescu;afaik mostly a solved problem on 200kv lines 1091931;1428465263;asciilifeform;while we're at it, 1091932;1428465278;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/5UygqI4 << piss-poor t3rr0r1s7, did not even nail my puny hovel 1091933;1428465279;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzU1WE ) 1091934;1428465315;decimation;asciilifeform: that's a serious ups! 1091935;1428465331;asciilifeform;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/us/california-power-substation-attacked-in-2013-is-hit-again.html << obligatory oldie 1091936;1428465334;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzU8BE ) 1091937;1428465377;asciilifeform;http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/FBI-Attack-on-PG-amp-E-substation-in-13-wasn-t-5746785.php << 'not terrorism!!' 1091938;1428465380;assbot;FBI: Attack on PG&E South Bay substation wasn't terrorism - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJnHST ) 1091939;1428465413;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/92005a6eace093a5d9ab0155287886fe/tumblr_nhb1a24ONa1rlg8wdo1_1280.jpg 1091940;1428465414;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJnM98 ) 1091941;1428465430;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right, it's only terrorism when mentally retarded derps do nonsensical shit. 1091942;1428465437;asciilifeform;aha. 1091943;1428465448;asciilifeform;the rest is called 'war' 1091944;1428465451;mircea_popescu;when lifelines are taken out by unidentified parties with access to a lot of resources, it's... uh. 1091945;1428465456;asciilifeform;specifically, 'losing a war' 1091946;1428465460;mircea_popescu;"a cause caused a causation" 1091947;1428465506;nubbins`;here's woodcollector a year ago, with a miner group buy scam: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452850.msg5046715#msg5046715 1091948;1428465507;assbot;[ CLOSED ] VX-1 Miner Group Buy - Free 1 TH/s Miner Giveaway ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzUA31 ) 1091949;1428465524;nubbins`;feb 2014 :o 1091950;1428465526;decimation;it's complicating, our brain trust is taking care of it 1091951;1428465624;mircea_popescu;vx lol. 1091952;1428465672;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/98bac6ee0b3f13d32834aee33295b4a8/tumblr_ngj6scZaxu1u5ddqjo2_400.gif << chump in chumpatron. 1091953;1428465673;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzUZ5h ) 1091954;1428465702;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unstable bukkake ? 1091955;1428465717;mircea_popescu;lol i guess 1091956;1428465753;decimation;http://www.utilitydive.com/news/why-utilities-could-soon-face-massive-load-defection-and-how-they-can-prev/383558/ < "In only 15 years, RMI research shows, load defection by 9.6 million residential customers in just the Northeastern states could be approximately 58 million megawatt-hours (MWh) annually. Valued at an estimated $15.4 billion, that would be about half the projected utility residential energy sales." 1091957;1428465754;assbot;Why utilities could soon face massive load defection, and how they can prevent it | Utility Dive ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzV9JT ) 1091958;1428465857;asciilifeform;... and what, the furnaces to refine si for panels will also, somehow, run on solar? or is it just that this takes place 'on mars' (asia) and not physically real, somehow 1091959;1428465899;decimation;asciilifeform: as long as the chinese government is willing to subsidize production, why not? 1091960;1428465952;asciilifeform;'A couple of blocks from the White House, the lights went off for about 30 seconds at the Warner Theatre as Oprah Winfrey delivered a speech honoring Maya Angelou during the dedication of a new postage stamp. After a few seconds, the sound system began to work again, and Winfrey continued her delivery until the lights returned.' 1091961;1428465959;asciilifeform;this could almost be a scene from 'atlas shrugged' 1091962;1428465970;decimation;hehe yeah 1091963;1428466028;mircea_popescu;decimation vehehehehery risky approach this 1091964;1428466032;mircea_popescu;no free lunch and all that. 1091965;1428466053;decimation;what's free? people get tired of blackouts, buy own solar panels & batteries 1091966;1428466064;mircea_popescu;and wtf, they are still derping with that angelou broad ? what, she's "a poet" ? 1091967;1428466078;asciilifeform;decimation: 'buy' 1091968;1428466080;mircea_popescu;decimation china "subsidizes" it like sar subsidizes oil. to fuck the us. 1091969;1428466092;decimation;aye, and the us thinks it is 'winning' 1091970;1428466095;asciilifeform;decimation: not one in 500 usa inmates could afford any of it without subsidy 1091971;1428466105;decimation;well, this is probably true 1091972;1428466118;asciilifeform;not to mention that not one in 10 installations will cover the wattage of the house ac at full sun 1091973;1428466121;decimation;but because it gets added to the real estate bezzletron, it'll get funded 1091974;1428466142;decimation;that part isn't clear - it depends where the house is located 1091975;1428466150;asciilifeform;most solar aficionados forgo the batteries entirely (!) 1091976;1428466156;decimation;in the sunny west, maybe, not so much in the dreary northeast 1091977;1428466164;decimation;^because batteries are terrible now 1091978;1428466167;asciilifeform;in favour of the meter running backwards mid-day and getting credit on the tab 1091979;1428466190;asciilifeform;batteries come in 'terrible', 'abominable,' and 'abysmal' 1091980;1428466219;mats;anyone remember silicon valley plant going down because of ak47 fire? 1091981;1428466227;decimation;http://www.rtcc.org/2015/03/23/falling-battery-prices-boost-outlook-for-electric-vehicles/ 1091982;1428466228;assbot;Falling battery prices boost outlook for electric vehicles ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzWwZc ) 1091983;1428466228;asciilifeform;mats: see earlier link! 1091984;1428466236;asciilifeform;mats: some of us remember very, very well. 1091985;1428466238;decimation;batteries can still be terrible and work okay if they become cheap 1091986;1428466249;decimation;economically I mean 1091987;1428466270;asciilifeform;decimation: if thermodynamically expensive - the game ends sooner than chumps expect. 1091988;1428466295;mats;im surprised it hasn't happened again. short teh DJIA, start shooting up coolant rooms at various plants... 1091989;1428466310;asciilifeform;mats: it is quite conceivable that it happened again. today. 1091990;1428466316;decimation;as the article notes, it's already economical to run 'off grid' solar+batteries in hawaii 1091991;1428466323;decimation;but that's because hawaii is fucktarded 1091992;1428466340;asciilifeform;though it is hard to understand why the plotters did not decide to shoot in mid-july 1091993;1428466349;asciilifeform;rather than now, with room-temperature weather 1091994;1428466357;mats;practice run for the summer. 1091995;1428466408;asciilifeform;practice was in 2013. 1091996;1428466475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33606 @ 0.00026489 = 8.9019 BTC [-] {2} 1091997;1428466801;asciilifeform;economics - thermodynamics == chumpatronics. 1091998;1428466825;asciilifeform;magic formula. 1091999;1428466845;asciilifeform;sufficient to cover that idiot kickstarter where 'use your freezer as air conditioner!!11!1' to the battery thing. 1092000;1428467085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12509 @ 0.00026774 = 3.3492 BTC [+] 1092001;1428467390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3902 @ 0.0002796 = 1.091 BTC [+] {2} 1092002;1428467451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9613 @ 0.00028014 = 2.693 BTC [+] 1092003;1428467856;BingoBoingo; practice was in 2013. << Regional differences in the US electric grid are extreme 1092004;1428469891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21837 @ 0.00028143 = 6.1456 BTC [+] {2} 1092005;1428471262;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1092006;1428471267;gribble;Current Blocks: 351209 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1590 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48776199716.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.35539 1092007;1428471660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25728 @ 0.00028213 = 7.2586 BTC [+] {3} 1092008;1428472026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00028295 = 9.6486 BTC [+] {2} 1092009;1428472575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00028552 = 3.3549 BTC [+] 1092010;1428474405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11205 @ 0.00027965 = 3.1335 BTC [-] 1092011;1428476401;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1092012;1428476411;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Thank you for the comments on qntra 1092013;1428476440;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: welcome! it's an honor. 1092014;1428476696;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: so, let's implement that idea? The ransomware promises: deposit X bitcoin to account XYZ and we'll free your data. Then, do nothing! No more "good bad guys", no more hope. lol 1092015;1428476740;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Well the entire idea of ransomware is premised on people getting their data back if they pay. 1092016;1428476750;felipelalli;only in this way they'll stop to funding criminals. 1092017;1428476769;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: exactly. This will destroy this idea. 1092018;1428476772;BingoBoingo;If people stop paying entirely or people stop returning data selectively the thing falls apart 1092019;1428476792;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: that's the idea! 1092020;1428476832;BingoBoingo;As seriously as people build up the ransomware threat the entire ecosystem is awfully precarious. One could readily kill it with ransomware that did not honor a ransom 1092021;1428476839;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: making a "really lier" ransomware would accelerate this process. hahaha 1092022;1428476895;BingoBoingo;The risk associated with doing such a thing isn't likely worth it compared to other ventures in BTC which are far nobeler to hang for 1092023;1428476915;felipelalli;yes. I was kidding anyway. But would be fun! 1092024;1428477098;felipelalli;would be the terror of the scammers. A "fake scammer" but "really bad and lier" would make the long-term good, after all. 1092025;1428477106;felipelalli;funny to think about it. 1092026;1428477228;felipelalli;This made me remember this: https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Defending%20the%20Undefendable_2.pdf 1092027;1428477231;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jn2VIl ) 1092028;1428477232;BingoBoingo;Really the best insulation in bitcoin is a sense of history 1092029;1428477265;felipelalli;what do you mean with "insulation" in this context? 1092030;1428477307;felipelalli;chap III 6. The Blackmailer. Nice chapter. You read crying. 1092031;1428477333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00027923 = 9.7032 BTC [-] {3} 1092032;1428477333;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: That healthy sense of skepticism that keeps pirateat40 from replaying over and over on the same scale 1092033;1428477409;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: yes. it's true. 1092034;1428477629;felipelalli;4:20 AM here, good night BingoBoingo! Thanks for conversation. 1092035;1428477638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00027794 = 1.8205 BTC [-] 1092036;1428477687;BingoBoingo;k, later 1092037;1428479297;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1091654 <<< should've suggested swordfish if ya gonna troll :P 1092038;1428479297;assbot;Logged on 08-04-2015 02:11:53; TomServo: mircea_popescu: ever seen Sneakers? 1092039;1428479956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7593 @ 0.00027794 = 2.1104 BTC [-] 1092040;1428481237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19653 @ 0.00027955 = 5.494 BTC [+] 1092041;1428481542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32627 @ 0.00027761 = 9.0576 BTC [-] {3} 1092042;1428482282;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif 1092043;1428482283;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKfhk ) 1092044;1428482329;mircea_popescu;lol 1092045;1428482509;cazalla;this million dollar extreme dude has some funny shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWFaG_7RySI 1092046;1428482511;assbot;Gutta Man (Sam Hyde) stand-up, May 2nd, 2013 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKPeN ) 1092047;1428483040;mircea_popescu;is he trying to sound like drexl ? 1092048;1428483248;cazalla;dunno who that is, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14jqZ-bVx3c 1092049;1428483250;assbot;Williamsburg Street Fashion ☠ 1 of 3 ☠ "Emmm..." - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnfmE8 ) 1092050;1428483256;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDJ8ocSN5GE 1092051;1428483257;assbot;True Romance Gary Oldman Drexl HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jnfq6I ) 1092052;1428483676;cazalla;mircea_popescu, good movie? might treck down to the video shop and hire it out 1092053;1428483921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00027027 = 7.3513 BTC [-] {2} 1092054;1428484043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5073 @ 0.00027034 = 1.3714 BTC [+] 1092055;1428485488;funkenstein_;gamechanger or vaporware? 1092056;1428485489;funkenstein_;http://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper-DRAFT-0.5.pdf 1092057;1428485490;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1c7sxy4 ) 1092058;1428485812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00027348 = 2.434 BTC [+] {2} 1092059;1428485936;funkenstein_;!s beautyon 1092060;1428485937;assbot;64 results for 'beautyon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beautyon 1092061;1428486056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00028535 = 3.2815 BTC [+] {3} 1092062;1428488252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14977 @ 0.00027307 = 4.0898 BTC [-] 1092063;1428488374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00027203 = 4.7061 BTC [-] 1092064;1428488679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00026445 = 3.2395 BTC [-] {2} 1092065;1428491058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00027136 = 10.176 BTC [+] {3} 1092066;1428491790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00026369 = 9.2819 BTC [-] 1092067;1428492461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00027824 = 6.316 BTC [+] {2} 1092068;1428492677;nubbins`;lel 1092069;1428492683;nubbins`;found WC's house 1092070;1428492705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36103 @ 0.00026258 = 9.4799 BTC [-] {4} 1092071;1428493116;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/BCR5p09.png 1092072;1428493117;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJ1RzX ) 1092073;1428493129;nubbins`;^ from the realtor who sold the house 2 years ago ;0 1092074;1428493265;punkman;heh 1092075;1428493351;nubbins`;the fact that the realtor still has videos of the inside of the home on youtube is a separate matter, but... 1092076;1428494108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92927 @ 0.00025845 = 24.017 BTC [-] {2} 1092077;1428494352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39699 @ 0.00027659 = 10.9803 BTC [+] {2} 1092078;1428496112;nubbins`;wow, guy paid less than $30k for his house. 1092079;1428496365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00026512 = 6.0978 BTC [-] 1092080;1428497632;nubbins`;okay, and now i've got his name, his wife's name, and his company's name 1092081;1428498073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100436 @ 0.00027753 = 27.874 BTC [+] {4} 1092082;1428498134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11414 @ 0.00028114 = 3.2089 BTC [+] 1092083;1428499293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32156 @ 0.00027031 = 8.6921 BTC [-] 1092084;1428499537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15370 @ 0.00027117 = 4.1679 BTC [+] {2} 1092085;1428500729;lobbes; okay, and now i've got his name, his wife's name, and his company's name << once you chomp down on a scammer, you don't let go, do you? ;/ 1092086;1428501245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34804 @ 0.00027123 = 9.4399 BTC [+] {2} 1092087;1428501409;mats;make a few c.o.d. purchase orders for office supplies 1092088;1428501780;punkman;send him a piece of driftwood 1092089;1428501787;nubbins`;lobbes guy threatened to do unspecified things to me, what else am i to do? 1092090;1428501805;nubbins`;anyway i'm pretty sure the house is owned by his parents or in-laws 1092091;1428501815;nubbins`;either that or the guy is in his mid 70s 1092092;1428501831;nubbins`;but yeah. deeds dating back to the early 80s for this property 1092093;1428501843;nubbins`;all the way up to feb 2014 1092094;1428502068;nubbins`;i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling? 1092095;1428503136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13385 @ 0.00025862 = 3.4616 BTC [-] {2} 1092096;1428503161;mats;https://syscan.org/index.php/download SyScan 2015 slides 1092097;1428503162;assbot;SyScan :: Download Section ... ( http://bit.ly/1yVrvtL ) 1092098;1428504063;lobbes; lobbes guy threatened to do unspecified things to me << O.o Link in the logs? This guy sounds like a full-time scammzor (with the 'miner group buy' scam, et al). Plenty of sustenance in that forum, too 1092099;1428504535;lobbes;i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling? << prolly just uses lathe on cats he finds on the street 1092100;1428504582;nubbins`;haha 1092101;1428504603;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg11016307#msg11016307 1092102;1428504604;assbot;[2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9mfyp ) 1092103;1428504748;punkman;"Within 5 minutes of you starting in with your shit i had people messaging me your address in Canada, Your phone number, the address for your print shop, more information than anyone would want someone like me to know if they wated to start shit, its very clear that you have pissed a lot of people off in the past with this shit you pull as they all came rushing in to DOX the fuck out of you, and i am just asshole enough to make use of i 1092104;1428504781;punkman;"How many pizzas do you think i can have delivered to you at home and work, how long do you think i can tie up your phone with robo dial, ever heard of swatting? " << this guy... 1092105;1428504804;punkman;did anyone ever get swatted in canada? 1092106;1428504857;mats;canada has swat? 1092107;1428504901;danielpbarron;someone from -otc sent me a pizza once; just so happened to be the same day as my weekly poker game so i just paid for it 1092108;1428505082;mats;so helpful 1092109;1428505423;Chillum;punkman: No "swat" but I have had a battering ram knock in my door and cops with shields and guns rush in. They have a different name 1092110;1428505458;Chillum;it was a misunderstanding, I was acquitted 1092111;1428505773;nubbins`;punkman my full mailing address is already on the forums 1092112;1428505780;nubbins`;so i don't know what the guy's bragging about :P 1092113;1428505788;*;nubbins` makes no effort to hide personal info 1092114;1428505845;nubbins`;also, given the number of times i've called the cops on shady dealings in my neighbourhood, i've got my doubts that any cop would do anthing to my door beyond politely knocking on it 1092115;1428505849;nubbins`;but hey, we can all dream 1092116;1428508432;nubbins`;https://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/BruceWayneWoodArtist 1092117;1428508433;assbot;Wooden Creations By Artist Bruce Wayne by BruceWayneWoodArtist ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsIMD3 ) 1092118;1428508433;nubbins`;lel 1092119;1428508648;danielpbarron;!ud bruce wayne 1092120;1428508679;danielpbarron;;;ud bruce wayne 1092121;1428508679;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bruce+Wayne | Residing in Gotham City, billionaire Bruce Wayne is a well respected socialite, philanthropist, and owner of the multinational conglomerate, Wayne Enterprises. 1092122;1428508730;Chillum;sounds like a nice guy 1092123;1428508980;nubbins`;yeah 1092124;1428509002;nubbins`;anyway, got a solid bead on the guy now. found the construction company he started in NY in 2010 1092125;1428509019;nubbins`;he says he's ordering dinner for me, which is thrilling 1092126;1428509157;mats;report the etsy store 1092127;1428509172;mats;obv not 'hand carved' 1092128;1428509347;mats;https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/04/06/to-catch-a-spy-biometrics-cia-border-security/ lol 1092129;1428509552;fluffypony;nubbins` is an alt of BadBear? 1092130;1428509557;fluffypony;this guy is reaching 1092131;1428509559;*;nubbins` shrugs helplessly 1092132;1428509737;fluffypony;I wonder if I can fake a pic of the 1000 coins 1092133;1428509740;fluffypony;and claim I found them 1092134;1428509958;nubbins`;hmm 1092135;1428509962;nubbins`;i would actually like this 1092136;1428509971;nubbins`;blockchain analysis says this didn't happen, but w/e 1092137;1428510599;mats;;;seen kakobrekla 1092138;1428510599;gribble;kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 51 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif 1092139;1428510848;nubbins`;i hope WC orders me a good type of pizza 1092140;1428511177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 381 @ 0.00277787 = 1.0584 BTC [+] {3} 1092141;1428511726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 371 @ 0.00273 = 1.0128 BTC [-] {4} 1092142;1428511727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 388 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0603 BTC [-] {3} 1092143;1428511910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 390 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0657 BTC [-] {2} 1092144;1428512093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 518 @ 0.00271505 = 1.4064 BTC [-] {6} 1092145;1428512094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 390 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0657 BTC [-] {4} 1092146;1428512278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0002593 = 2.5411 BTC [+] 1092147;1428512747;mod6; http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif << haha 1092148;1428512748;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKfhk ) 1092149;1428513434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00026303 = 2.7618 BTC [+] 1092150;1428513495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 474 @ 0.00279282 = 1.3238 BTC [+] {9} 1092151;1428513618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 412 @ 0.00280484 = 1.1556 BTC [+] {4} 1092152;1428513678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 835 @ 0.00282564 = 2.3594 BTC [+] {8} 1092153;1428513739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 431 @ 0.00284088 = 1.2244 BTC [+] {5} 1092154;1428513801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5481 @ 0.00026303 = 1.4417 BTC [+] 1092155;1428514411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00026303 = 5.0633 BTC [+] 1092156;1428514471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4514 @ 0.00026303 = 1.1873 BTC [+] {2} 1092157;1428514532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00026502 = 6.5062 BTC [+] {2} 1092158;1428516691;mats;https://cansecwest.com/csw15archive.html 1092159;1428516692;assbot;CanSecWest Applied Security Conference: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1a68kHp ) 1092160;1428516707;mats;https://cansecwest.com/slides/2015/SCADASL%20-%20root%20via%20sms%20CanSec%20v4%20last.pptx 1092161;1428516735;mats;^ 'Bootkit via SMS: 4G access level security assessment' 1092162;1428516911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00025647 = 9.079 BTC [-] {3} 1092163;1428517068;nubbins`;SSD showed up 1092164;1428517076;nubbins`;purple pogos still in ontario ;/ 1092165;1428517207;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/cq5h23e 1092166;1428517208;assbot;TotesMessenger comments on There is a targeted attack on Bitcoin occurring right now, coordinated by national agencies. I know this because I am an insider with prior involvement in a key operation. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PknucE ) 1092167;1428517436;punkman;http://www.rinsedaily.com/drexel-university-professor-sends-anal-bead-porno-to-class/ 1092168;1428517438;assbot;Drexel University Professor Sends Anal Bead Porno to Class ... ( http://bit.ly/1a6avKM ) 1092169;1428518131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7694 @ 0.00025393 = 1.9537 BTC [-] 1092170;1428518436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14936 @ 0.00026631 = 3.9776 BTC [+] {2} 1092171;1428518874;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1092172;1428518886;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/22CZGG0 << mirror of the (since censored) reddit turd 1092173;1428518887;assbot;dpaste: 22CZGG0: mirror of crud ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pks0rT ) 1092174;1428519207;lobbes;"DISRUPT - Divide community consensus and steer towards Operational and COMMAND objectives by means of standard counter-actor and sabotage procedures." 1092175;1428519228;ascii_field;it's a snore. 1092176;1428519335;ascii_field;reddit users: does it have to be a moderator who deletes a piece, to result in the '[removed]' label? 1092177;1428519338;ascii_field;or can user do it himself. 1092178;1428519428;lobbes;I believe a user can remove his own, though I'm not sure if that results in the [removed] label 1092179;1428519438;ascii_field;afaik it does not. 1092180;1428519966;lobbes;I think you are correct. I just did a quick test; no [removed] flag. Just disappears from the page. Going to the url just displays the 'by [deleted]' flag 1092181;1428519975;lobbes;looks to be censored 1092182;1428520023;ascii_field;or 'censored' 1092183;1428520363;ben_vulpes;who's on the qntra /reddit as usg mouthpiece/ beat? 1092184;1428520510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3764 @ 0.00026954 = 1.0145 BTC [+] 1092185;1428520998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9955 @ 0.00025522 = 2.5407 BTC [-] 1092186;1428521789;fluffypony;I just got a spam mail 1092187;1428521794;fluffypony;from Coinbase 1092188;1428521802;fluffypony;"Want to become a professional investor? Our first short-term investment program starts today - GET 150% FOR A 10-DAY DEPOSIT." 1092189;1428521817;fluffypony;"Investors who want to apply, please make a deposit to 12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso or click the link below https://blockchain.info/qr?data=12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso&size=400" 1092190;1428521821;fluffypony;here's the odd thing 1092191;1428521847;fluffypony;Received: from o1.em.coinbase.com (o1.em.coinbase.com. [50.31.37.137]) 1092192;1428521847;fluffypony; by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w20si10513481icc.3.2015.04.08.12.32.35 1092193;1428521847;fluffypony; for 1092194;1428521852;fluffypony;and it has a valid DKIM signature 1092195;1428521876;fluffypony;"em.coinbase.com designates 50.31.37.137 as permitted sender" 1092196;1428521891;fluffypony;(appears to be a sendgrid.net mail) 1092197;1428521907;fluffypony;so I think CoinBase's SendGrid account has been compromised? 1092198;1428522375;ben_vulpes;cavirtex acquired by coinsetter 1092199;1428522397;mircea_popescu;o.O 1092200;1428522413;mircea_popescu;wait, in this lalaland of imaginary imaginations the newspapers acquire the failed banks ? 1092201;1428522440;ben_vulpes;your symbol table's borked 1092202;1428522443;mircea_popescu;oh, i see, because they have no btc, all they have is "mindshare", and in respect to that pseudo-capital coinsetter is better capitalised than cavirtex ? 1092203;1428522449;mircea_popescu;mostly because coinsetter thinks it can print ? 1092204;1428522466;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes which one am i confusing ? 1092205;1428522476;ben_vulpes; newspapers? 1092206;1428522507;ben_vulpes;sure, coinsetter's not liked around here but grok i not how 'tis a newspaper. 1092207;1428522542;mircea_popescu;what is it, iyo ? 1092208;1428522557;mircea_popescu;an "information aggregator" ? 1092209;1428522595;ben_vulpes;http://www.coinsetter.com << that 1092210;1428522598;assbot;Trade Securely on Wall Street's Bitcoin Exchange - Coinsetter ... ( http://bit.ly/1aL5AjK ) 1092211;1428522648;mircea_popescu;dude i swear there was a different coinsetter that was trying to be a sort of coindeks 1092212;1428522674;ben_vulpes;integrity check to mircea_popescu's symbol table please 1092213;1428522701;mircea_popescu;!s coinsetter 1092214;1428522702;assbot;14 results for 'coinsetter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coinsetter 1092215;1428522731;mircea_popescu;Jaron Lukasiewicz Bitcoin CEO/Founder o.O 1092216;1428522736;ben_vulpes;they may have some slave in the third world cranking aggregation on their blog, perhaps that's what's got you spun. 1092217;1428522800;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. 1092218;1428522803;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2013#7424 1092219;1428522803;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2013 01:55:22; mjr___: kakobrekla: "The skateboard ride to Saks today was a little rough, but the skateboard back was great!" I am not joking that is the latest status update from coinsetter CEO...he's a nice guy 1092220;1428522862;mircea_popescu;i dunno why they were filed under "just another subreddit" but w/e. 1092221;1428522880;mircea_popescu;it honestly doth not seem so very mistaken upon review. 1092222;1428522940;mircea_popescu;the angel list thing they got is a tad lulzy. ( https://angel.co/coinsetter ) 1092223;1428522942;assbot;Coinsetter | AngelList ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpI6X4 ) 1092224;1428522944;mircea_popescu;Ben Davenport 1092225;1428522945;mircea_popescu;Co-founder & CPO at @BitGo. Co-founder of @Beluga. Running Bitcoin syndicate on AngelList. 1092226;1428522958;mircea_popescu;Timothy Bhattacharyya MD 1092227;1428522958;mircea_popescu; 1092228;1428522958;mircea_popescu;I believe in markets and trading to increase the wealth of the world." 1092229;1428522967;mircea_popescu;an' Charles DiMaggio. an' silbert, of course. 1092230;1428523072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00025472 = 2.8147 BTC [-] 1092231;1428523094;mircea_popescu;trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091054 << wtf happened here ?! 1092232;1428523094;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 15:20:37; deedbot-: accepted: 2 1092233;1428523113;mircea_popescu;oh nm got bundled with later thing. 1092234;1428523245;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1092235;1428523256;ascii_field;heap fragging in bitcoind. 1092236;1428523300;mircea_popescu;no ? 1092237;1428523306;ascii_field;almost certainly yes. 1092238;1428523350;mircea_popescu;definitely yes. 1092239;1428523367;mircea_popescu;it's been danced around with all sorts of patches and whatnot, but multiple ddos avenues related to fragmentation. 1092240;1428523396;ascii_field;anyone mention it before i just now ? 1092241;1428523430;mircea_popescu;i know bitcoinj ran into it plentifully. 1092242;1428523846;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1092243;1428523848;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.0, Best ask: 246.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 246.01, 24 hour volume: 38386.95711616, 24 hour low: 242.72, 24 hour high: 256.4, 24 hour vwap: None 1092244;1428524682;mircea_popescu;ascii_field part of the problem is that you're stuck mushing together items that can arbitrarily be anything between 100 bytes and whatever, 250kb. and there's a lot of them. no way to allocate but dynamically, willy-nilly keep getting them allocated and deallocated and again and again. 1092245;1428524697;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i know what heap fragging is 1092246;1428524719;mircea_popescu;no, i just mean, with bitcoin is to some degree unavoidalbe, because txn. 1092247;1428524743;ascii_field;entirely avoidable if one plans for it 1092248;1428524758;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1092249;1428524764;ascii_field;typically this is handled with custom 'multi-generational' allocator 1092250;1428524795;mircea_popescu;yes but it's worse than that : if you have an elegant alocator and the people do not, your chain will fork and theirs will not. 1092251;1428524811;mircea_popescu;this is one of those places where bug to bug compatibility rears it's ugly butt. 1092252;1428524866;jurov;what part of buttcoin depends on memory allocation? 1092253;1428524871;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if allocator leads to fork, it is wrong 1092254;1428524878;mircea_popescu;kinda why idiots (and by that i mean satoshi) shouldn't be allowed to code in the first place. but hey, we believe in the power of belief... 1092255;1428524901;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it will construct and mine a block that makes everyone else crash, conceivably. 1092256;1428524908;mircea_popescu;and subtly, to boot. 1092257;1428524925;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: a proper 1m block should never be able to 'make everyone crash' 1092258;1428524939;jurov;even improper 1092259;1428524953;ascii_field;if such a thing could, then bitcoin is buggy and the sooner it is detonated, the better 1092260;1428524963;mircea_popescu;i am atm not sure it couldn't. 1092261;1428524974;mircea_popescu;in fact, this has happened (not due to the heap issue, true) 1092262;1428524983;ascii_field;the bdb thng ? 1092263;1428524988;mircea_popescu;yes the locks thing 1092264;1428524997;mircea_popescu;note very similar issue : exhausted locks, exhausted heap... 1092265;1428525016;ascii_field;it was an epic lameness and a number of folks ought to have felt the stake 1092266;1428525042;mircea_popescu;yeah well. let me propose something for you here. just for curiosity's sake, a rough model. 1092267;1428525071;mircea_popescu;so i broadcast 50k 140 byte txn. you allocate these, they fail, you deallocate them. before you had time to go through the lot however, 1092268;1428525074;BingoBoingo; dude i swear there was a different coinsetter that was trying to be a sort of coindeks << I constantly run into new ventures that imagine they are qntra competitors 1092269;1428525086;mircea_popescu;i also broadcast 50k 150 byte txn. these go in your pile, and on fresh memory. 1092270;1428525090;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1092271;1428525111;mircea_popescu;by the time you're entirely exhausted, i broadcast some more txn and mine a block with them. 1092272;1428525135;BingoBoingo; who's on the qntra /reddit as usg mouthpiece/ beat? << There is a trilema post tracking this phenomenon, but if you want to elevate it to a sustained operation go for it. 1092273;1428525153;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: this in fact happens 'in the wild.' the only reason it does not lead to forks where folks with, e.g., 1GB of ram wheel off into a parallel universe from folks with 2GB, and 4GB, etc. is, 1092274;1428525168;ascii_field;that the fragging issue itself results in ludicrously overpowered boxes being put to use 1092275;1428525168;mircea_popescu;that everyone uses about as much ram ? 1092276;1428525174;mircea_popescu;right. 1092277;1428525179;mircea_popescu;but it remains a problem, this. 1092278;1428525180;ascii_field;where the garbage has time to coalesce 1092279;1428525200;mircea_popescu;note that this is one of the majorest issues lurking in the "larger blocks" 1092280;1428525214;mircea_popescu;currently the 1mb limit is blessfully keeping THIS (among its many sisters) under the water. 1092281;1428525242;mircea_popescu;that gavin [pretends like he] doesn't know such is exactly why the verbiage as to the retarded boy in one of my articles debunking the nonsense. 1092282;1428525284;jurov;i don't see the issue why that would lead to fork per se. 1092283;1428525310;jurov;you just flush the disk cache by your misallocations and then take longer to verify the block 1092284;1428525319;mircea_popescu;but do you mathematically see the proof where it never would ? 1092285;1428525323;mircea_popescu;different standards here. 1092286;1428525393;mircea_popescu;in general, going by the "never one single bug in kitchen, and noting that bdb locks are a resource of the kind that pointers are, just one easier to exhaust, i propose this as likely, on the basis of my business heuristics. 1092287;1428525403;mircea_popescu;which obviously differ from your coder heuristics. but differ to our benefit. 1092288;1428525428;jurov;bdb is much more coplicated and hard to debug api than malloc/free 1092289;1428525460;mircea_popescu;every word is complicated for whosoever doesn't read. 1092290;1428525488;mircea_popescu;and the bitcoind allocation scheme isn't a jewel or anything. 1092291;1428525547;ascii_field;'isn't a jewel' << mega-understatement of the century 1092292;1428525574;jurov;nothing is a jewel here 1092293;1428525583;mircea_popescu;fuck you, i'm a jewel. 1092294;1428525603;jurov;yea, like you never make mistakes 1092295;1428525611;mircea_popescu;no, like a jew. 1092296;1428525614;mircea_popescu;only with -el. 1092297;1428525614;ascii_field;like sapper. 1092298;1428525626;ascii_field;sappers get to make their one mistake. 1092299;1428525767;ascii_field;at any rate, this gedankenexperiment is an interesting one - where does 'bug for bug compatibility' legitimately stop? are we obligated to crash for 1GB of uncoalesceable crud, or 2GB? 4? 16? 1092300;1428525797;mircea_popescu;this afaik has never been seriously measured 1092301;1428525810;mircea_popescu;we don't care atm, because we know experimentally the system as deployed is stable. 1092302;1428525814;ascii_field;didn't say that it was (except that it - was, i measured) 1092303;1428525824;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, before any sort of change, like say a block size increase, this will have to be measured 1092304;1428525828;mircea_popescu;among many other things 1092305;1428525837;ascii_field;more high-level dilemma here 1092306;1428525842;mircea_popescu;not among which, the opnion of reddit, the headers of miners etc. 1092307;1428525855;ascii_field;at what point do 'we' get to proclaim that folks using the buggy version are retarded ? 1092308;1428525866;mircea_popescu;not how this is handled. 1092309;1428525878;mircea_popescu;we explain the problem, publish the measuring tools, let people declare themselves retarded. 1092310;1428525879;*;ascii_field has no idea how, or even whether, this is handled. 1092311;1428525882;mircea_popescu;once enough do... problem solved. 1092312;1428525892;mircea_popescu;before... we wait. 1092313;1428525901;mircea_popescu;like i've been waiting, on many things, for many years. 1092314;1428525914;ascii_field;and until then, what? we are required to leak at the same rate as which extant bitcoind? 1092315;1428525917;ascii_field;gavin's? 1092316;1428525920;ascii_field;the java turd ? 1092317;1428525927;mircea_popescu;until then, we hang out in irc. 1092318;1428525929;ascii_field;we don't even know for a fact what it is the miners use.. 1092319;1428525934;mircea_popescu;and say yes and no as people ask and wonder. 1092320;1428525981;mircea_popescu;as teh expression goes, "relax, you have plenty of time. tomorrow - you die." 1092321;1428525992;ascii_field;to continue with the line of thought, as soon as we so much as frag less than gavin's turd, someone - anyone - could send us off on a fork of less-retardation. 1092322;1428526005;ascii_field;simply by churning out 'godelian' blocks for gavincoin 1092323;1428526144;mircea_popescu;maybe. it's a complicated thing. 1092324;1428526200;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31umjo/3m_video_are_intel_processors_compromised/ 1092325;1428526202;assbot;3m video "are Intel processors compromised?" #welcometorealpolitics #bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amuUff ) 1092326;1428526229;nubbins`;man, reddit's taking a page from the book of alf today o.O 1092327;1428526366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939 @ 0.00025223 = 1.2458 BTC [-] 1092328;1428526418;ascii_field;snore. 1092329;1428526544;ascii_field;http://danluu.com/cpu-backdoors << not the first time a usg shill spins amd's lack of encipherment or signature enforcement on microcode updates as a weakness 1092330;1428526546;assbot;CPU backdoors ... ( http://bit.ly/1amwkq8 ) 1092331;1428526569;ascii_field;'oh noez non-crippled hardware, someone other than usg could modify it' 1092332;1428526602;punkman;AMD's "management engine" equivalent is also bad, isn't it though 1092333;1428526645;ascii_field;punkman: not mandatory 1092334;1428526706;ascii_field;or, another instance of this idiocy, 1092335;1428526717;ascii_field;at one time there was much crowing re: a 'xilinx fpga backdoor' 1092336;1428526730;ascii_field;turned out, it was possible to read back the bitstream from a 'locked' unit 1092337;1428526745;ascii_field;'oh noez, the chip is auditable when we don't want it to be! boobytrap!' 1092338;1428526757;ascii_field;and a few microcontrollers, ditto 1092339;1428526767;ascii_field;in every single case, it was a 'oh noez this is accidentally auditable' 1092340;1428526782;ascii_field;oh noez the user is not caged properly! there are a few loose bars! 1092341;1428526809;punkman;ascii_field: not mandatory, as in I can get a motherboard without it? 1092342;1428526819;ascii_field;pathetic buggers, doing the one and only thing they are good at - 'spinning the controversy' 1092343;1428526824;ascii_field;punkman: yes. 1092344;1428526847;ascii_field;punkman: for how long - cannot say 1092345;1428526850;punkman;guess I'll have to look into that 1092346;1428526862;punkman;any part numbers you'd recommend? 1092347;1428526877;ascii_field;punkman: i'm partial to older 'tyan' boards 1092348;1428526912;ascii_field;(e.g. 'thunder' series, '07 and prior) 1092349;1428527093;mircea_popescu;ascii_field have you seen the recent "gamer desktops" recommendations btw ? nothing but intel. 1092350;1428527095;mircea_popescu;"it's better" 1092351;1428527099;mircea_popescu;yeah, im sure it is lawl. 1092352;1428527129;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1092353;1428527132;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is not a subject i regularly follow. 1092354;1428527142;mircea_popescu;nor i, but since ima play eulora... 1092355;1428527194;ascii_field;but i will point out that it has become -nearly- impossible to assemble a proper workstation without recourse to 'antiques' vendors 1092356;1428527243;ascii_field;and among portable computers, amd is extinct other than in 'disposable' models 1092357;1428527264;mircea_popescu;seems teh usg-consensus pretty much is to make amd extinct. 1092358;1428527313;*;punkman spies old Athlon cartridge on bookshelf 1092359;1428527344;jurov;lolwut, eulora will need recent hardware? 1092360;1428527356;ascii_field;jurov: iirc it uses 3d graphics... 1092361;1428527369;*;ascii_field actually does not own a 3d card 1092362;1428527382;ascii_field;believe or not. 1092363;1428527389;jurov;3d as needed by eulora is here... 10years or so? 1092364;1428527416;mircea_popescu;jurov just about yeah 1092365;1428527447;mircea_popescu;it's not very demanding. 1092366;1428527492;mircea_popescu;punkman wasn't the "management engine" an intel thing ? 1092367;1428527667;punkman;mircea_popescu: AMD has an equivalent 1092368;1428527673;ascii_field;it does. 1092369;1428527677;punkman;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/14/amd_plugs_chip_firmware_holes/ 1092370;1428527678;assbot;AMD plugs firmware holes that allowed command injection • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1amB1jF ) 1092371;1428527691;punkman;I think I linked that video before 1092372;1428527696;mircea_popescu;im not disputing that, just, what was it called. 1092373;1428527706;punkman;System Management Unit (SMU) 1092374;1428527710;mircea_popescu;ah yes 1092375;1428527719;mircea_popescu;other one was ame or ami or something 1092376;1428527731;punkman;AMT? 1092377;1428527746;mircea_popescu;somethng like that 1092378;1428527773;punkman;let's just call it CANCR 1092379;1428528295;BingoBoingo;Back in college the phrasing to trigger a smoke break was "Do you think you can handle a cigarette now?" "I think I Can, Sir." 1092380;1428528853;mats;http://www.amazon.com/What-Makes-It-Page-Windows/dp/1479114294 << this is excellent, for those that feel compelled to learn about windows 7 1092381;1428528854;assbot;What Makes It Page?: The Windows 7 (x64) Virtual Memory Manager: Enrico Martignetti: 9781479114290: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1amFHWN ) 1092382;1428528874;ascii_field;mats: yes it is! 1092383;1428528914;mats;finally got myself a hard copy after some searching of the interwebs. nobody has bothered to warez, yet... 1092384;1428528928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25539 @ 0.00025467 = 6.504 BTC [+] {3} 1092385;1428528929;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846852.msg9447582#msg9447582 1092386;1428528930;assbot;[WTB] Exotic woods from around the world with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amFYcf ) 1092387;1428528943;nubbins`;^ here's where woodcollector agrees to make the "$14,000 wooden B" for... 1 btc. 1092388;1428528948;nubbins`;so there's yr answer i guess 1092389;1428528978;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846852.msg9450425#msg9450425 1092390;1428528979;assbot;[WTB] Exotic woods from around the world with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amGarP ) 1092391;1428528984;nubbins`;"just keep it $200 - $400 range and impress me." 1092392;1428529009;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1092393;1428529111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16692 @ 0.00025522 = 4.2601 BTC [+] 1092394;1428529127;jurov;obama should ask him for $1T wooden bitcoin next time he's got probs with fed 1092395;1428529155;fluffypony;lol 1092396;1428529168;fluffypony;Obama should just find the secret case 1092397;1428529209;nubbins`;^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1092398;1428529236;nubbins`;also, he never ordered supper for me like he said he would >:( 1092399;1428529461;mats;youtube.com/watch?v=zvImG-0uIX4 1092400;1428529661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00027389 = 8.0934 BTC [+] {2} 1092401;1428529996;BingoBoingo;Solaris 12 moving to pf as default/only firewall https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=142822852613581&w=2 1092402;1428529998;assbot;'pfi_kif leaks for PBR rules' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1amJGT3 ) 1092403;1428530859;mircea_popescu;who even runs solaris anymore. 1092404;1428530906;mircea_popescu;;;google ebay assus m5a78l 1092405;1428530907;gribble;Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 | eBay: ; AMD X8 Core FX-8350 4.0Ghz & ASUS M5A78L-M USB3 ... - eBay: ; ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 Socket AM3+ AMD mATX Motherboard - eBay: https://archive.today/http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/ 1092427;1428533517;assbot;Logged on 08-04-2015 18:48:06; ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/22CZGG0 << mirror of the (since censored) reddit turd 1092428;1428533518;assbot;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/: There is a targeted attack on Bitcoin occurring right now, coordinated by national agencies. I know this because I am an insider with prior involvement in a key operation. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7C1V1 ) 1092429;1428534490;jurov;anyone can explain to me why the reddit turd is considered seriously here? 1092430;1428534505;jurov;please? 1092431;1428534532;BingoBoingo;jurov: I've got nothing. 1092432;1428534604;jurov;i get nothing, too :D 1092433;1428534673;mats;slow day. 1092434;1428534884;mats;http://i.imgur.com/O5rYZZS.gifv 1092435;1428534885;assbot;Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWoKMT ) 1092436;1428535145;mircea_popescu;jurov i think peeps be trolling 1092437;1428535157;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i have nfi why they don't use cocoa powder to disperse crowds. 1092438;1428535167;mircea_popescu;grind that shit fine enough, throw it in the air... 1092439;1428535192;BingoBoingo; speaking of which, i have nfi why they don't use cocoa powder to disperse crowds. << You just end up with a different crowd with a heavier category of people 1092440;1428535192;mod6;"in fuckbuckett." lol 1092441;1428535211;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nah, you ever seen what happens if you accidentally a bag ? 1092442;1428535212;jurov;i'd like to try stevia sometime. it is already available in fine powder 1092443;1428535214;mircea_popescu;can't fucking breathe. 1092444;1428535221;jurov;or a combiantion 1092445;1428535246;mircea_popescu;jurov "PDFs/PPTs or it didn't happen." was pretty good... 1092446;1428535266;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo nah, you ever seen what happens if you accidentally a bag ? << I get the most delicous coffing fits. 1092447;1428535291;mircea_popescu;right ? 1092448;1428535301;mircea_popescu;i mean people would come with their freshly baked cookies for a dusting... 1092449;1428535307;mircea_popescu;just changes the shape of the crowd. 1092450;1428535443;jurov;crowdshaping 1092451;1428535988;BingoBoingo;Fuck, grandpa had a stroke Friday and he's already back to walking around normally. The only thing that seems to have changed is he actually takes his blood pressure medicine. 1092452;1428536187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00025959 = 10.4745 BTC [+] {2} 1092453;1428536230;BingoBoingo;Only only hope that if I make it to 90 I can be that durable. 1092454;1428536431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00026302 = 4.4187 BTC [+] 1092455;1428536481;mircea_popescu;depends on how you eat. 1092456;1428536519;BingoBoingo;I guess I better get a hold of meals on wheels 1092457;1428536539;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092133 << sounds roughly worth the lulz 1092458;1428536539;assbot;Logged on 08-04-2015 16:15:40; fluffypony: and claim I found them 1092459;1428536768;TomServo;cazalla: should've suggested swordfish if ya gonna troll :P << shit, I was serious. I must be using my rose-tinted glasses on this one. I'mma have to rewatch this now. 1092460;1428536855;mircea_popescu;so are we gonna call teh usg ops "tiki taka" ? seems adequately derpy... 1092461;1428536892;mircea_popescu;"oh we shall send people in #bitcoin-assets as per standard counter-actor and sabotage procedures to be made within hours and laughed at all the way to the front desk." 1092462;1428536994;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092189 << apparently no investors ? 1092463;1428536994;assbot;Logged on 08-04-2015 19:36:57; fluffypony: "Investors who want to apply, please make a deposit to 12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso or click the link below https://blockchain.info/qr?data=12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso&size=400" 1092464;1428537020;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092197 << either that or they've been spamming since forever as business / usual. 1092465;1428537020;assbot;Logged on 08-04-2015 19:38:27; fluffypony: so I think CoinBase's SendGrid account has been compromised? 1092466;1428537061;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you care enough about coinbase to write up this latest lulz ? 1092467;1428537172;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I haven't been up long enough to get good sourcing on it. If someone else want to write it up I'd check and publish it. 1092468;1428537309;BingoBoingo;fluffypony ^ 1092469;1428537529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00025634 = 11.9198 BTC [-] {3} 1092470;1428537552;BingoBoingo;lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31wjt7/coinbase_scam_email_alert/cq5nbch 1092471;1428537554;assbot;cqm comments on *****COINBASE SCAM EMAIL ALERT***** ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6evGJ ) 1092472;1428537791;danielpbarron;Please note: Initial deposit amounts exceeding +30 bitcoin will qualify your membership for a 2nd level upgrade. << MPEx sets the standard 1092473;1428537834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22319 @ 0.00025219 = 5.6286 BTC [-] {2} 1092474;1428537853;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: You want to write this one up? 1092475;1428538036;danielpbarron;sure 1092476;1428538076;mircea_popescu;30 btc is best btc 1092477;1428538169;mircea_popescu;similarly, spanked butt is best butt. http://33.media.tumblr.com/7882bb358d5116b7b174d97672357532/tumblr_nfllfsaep11sjegrpo1_400.gif 1092478;1428538169;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6gbQu ) 1092479;1428538247;BingoBoingo;What about baseball butt? http://i.gifeye.com/13487.gif 1092480;1428538248;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6gr21 ) 1092481;1428538272;mircea_popescu;basebutt is largest butt. 1092482;1428538278;mircea_popescu;see, best, largest... first butt missing. 1092483;1428538295;mircea_popescu;will 2nd lt 1st butt report for complety! 1092484;1428538323;BingoBoingo;But she's stealling 3rd Butt. 1092485;1428538334;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1092486;1428538335;mircea_popescu;!b 8 1092487;1428538338;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1SBNZ7D.txt ) 1092488;1428538409;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1 1092489;1428538421;indiancandy1;hi boys n girls 1092490;1428538429;mircea_popescu;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/ uh dead ? 1092491;1428538455;mircea_popescu;how goes indiancandy1 1092492;1428538467;indiancandy1;im good 1092493;1428538469;indiancandy1;in bed relaxing 1092494;1428538472;indiancandy1;you 1092495;1428538487;mircea_popescu;nothing much. digesting. 1092496;1428538492;BingoBoingo;in chair, unlaxing 1092497;1428538598;mircea_popescu;nge3IShb 1092498;1428538607;indiancandy1;nge? 1092499;1428538642;mircea_popescu;meh there goes this kbd 1092500;1428538652;mircea_popescu;a hey, not so bad. 1092501;1428538794;indiancandy1;who 1092502;1428538797;indiancandy1;mp 1092503;1428538800;indiancandy1;hows u bby 1092504;1428538806;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1092505;1428538814;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 244.55, vol: 11594.32792055 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 243.326, vol: 7726.90295 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.91, vol: 39772.9444729 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.329788, vol: 128921.67480000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 249.45692, vol: 13.68792084 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 253.077009989, vol: 133.44500285 | Volume-weighted last average: 243.746195825 1092506;1428538815;BingoBoingo;;;more 1092507;1428538815;gribble; 1092508;1428538831;BingoBoingo;O.o 1092509;1428538956;BingoBoingo;!up _flow_ 1092510;1428539106;indiancandy1;hiiiiiiii 1092511;1428539108;indiancandy1;talk 1092512;1428539177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00025061 = 11.29 BTC [-] 1092513;1428539340;BingoBoingo;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/cb/b9/e6/cbb9e63c8ed86df314997771fe2114c0.jpg 1092514;1428539341;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6j7wr ) 1092515;1428539519;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: any mention in any of these of the -actual reason- for the exercise ? 1092516;1428539524;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it so happens that there is one 1092517;1428539543;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I've no seen any reason other than "pissing contest" 1092518;1428539553;asciilifeform;yes but no mention of the second pisser 1092519;1428539570;asciilifeform;http://www.uralinform.ru/news/society/228787-rossiya-vybrosila-voennyi-desant-na-severnyi-polyus 1092520;1428539572;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6jHdG ) 1092521;1428539578;asciilifeform;^ not the most detailed piece but there are many 1092522;1428539647;asciilifeform;ru parachutists land on a drifting ice sheet, 100km from the pole, in full gear; build camp with self-contained systems, mains power, heat, etc. at -50c. 1092523;1428539666;asciilifeform;this sequence of events being a historic first, afaik. 1092524;1428539710;BingoBoingo;Aha, Russians took over Krampus's village 1092525;1428539760;asciilifeform;50 tonnes of provisions dropped 1092526;1428539952;*;asciilifeform discovers, to no surprise, that the film clips of this event have been deleted from youtube. 1092527;1428539988;asciilifeform;i will add that they did this same exercise last year at exactly this time. 1092528;1428540000;asciilifeform;http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201504060846-qsno.htm << film 1092529;1428540001;assbot;Российский десант высадится на дрейфующую льдину у Северного полюса - Телеканал «Звезда» ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6kISS ) 1092530;1428540046;asciilifeform;or not. 1092531;1428540057;asciilifeform;clip shows something entirely unrelated. 1092532;1428540173;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LJ9W95Meys << appears to be proper 1092533;1428540175;assbot;Десант на Северный полюс. 8 апреля 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6l8J3 ) 1092534;1428540570;*;TomServo is the proud owner of 'adulterated' pogo. 1092535;1428540590;TomServo;Now to figure out these u-bout and buildroot things. 1092536;1428540595;TomServo;boot* 1092537;1428540640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80376 @ 0.00025024 = 20.1133 BTC [-] {4} 1092538;1428540701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00024978 = 4.4211 BTC [-] {2} 1092539;1428540744;ben_vulpes;TomServo: have you accomplished netconsole yet? 1092540;1428540816;*;asciilifeform just bought 10 more 1092541;1428540897;ben_vulpes;bitcoinrpg -> control the network quest -> bitcoind quest (now apparently depends on buildroot quest, which depends on gentoo quest, so may as well pogoquest as well) 1092542;1428540898;BingoBoingo;http://www.dailyegyptian.com/news/article_2bea4122-dc69-11e4-81a5-bb4948f90ef2.html << multi lol 1092543;1428540899;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cie9cn ) 1092544;1428540900;ben_vulpes;man 1092545;1428540912;ben_vulpes;i need a fucking quest tree to keep track of all this shit 1092546;1428540963;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at some point they will rediscover traditional eunuch-making. 1092547;1428541000;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Like with executions I imagine they will try to put a medical veneer on it. 1092548;1428541020;TomServo;ben_vulpes: sorry, had to reference danielpbarron's docs.. you're referring to enabling SSH access? 1092549;1428541044;ben_vulpes;no, the part where pogo boots and then attaches to a nc instance running on your host machine 1092550;1428541050;ben_vulpes;TomServo: ^^ 1092551;1428541098;TomServo;Negative... I enabled SSH and waited for my USB>TTY convertors to arrive 1092552;1428541117;ben_vulpes;TomServo: oh, you've actually cracked the case and everything? 1092553;1428541129;ben_vulpes;so intrepid 1092554;1428541159;TomServo;heh, I guess? Seems like an awful way to learn soldering, I'll say that. 1092555;1428541182;TomServo;I was surprised I got it working. 1092556;1428541196;ben_vulpes;easy to do, hard to do well. 1092557;1428541302;asciilifeform;everyone who has not yet done this, will quickly find that at least one pogo with serial port is necessary - if only for testing own build of uboot. 1092558;1428541324;asciilifeform;a unit with defective 'uboot' can only be restored via serial port (xmodem) 1092559;1428541351;asciilifeform;srsly it does not take a very long time to solder three wires. 1092560;1428541365;asciilifeform;considerably less time than screwing with netcat. 1092561;1428541372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88200 @ 0.00024767 = 21.8445 BTC [-] {4} 1092562;1428541399;asciilifeform;you will also be able to see kernel messages as it boots 1092563;1428541420;asciilifeform;(i do not know of any simple means to 'netcat' these. they come out of ttyS0, as the gods intended.) 1092564;1428541452;asciilifeform;you will also be able to log in to a unit that is not running sshd or telnetd. 1092565;1428541508;asciilifeform;in short, save the headache and do it. someone here did not even own a soldering iron, iirc, and bought one for the occasion, and did not regret. 1092566;1428541527;TomServo;http://i.imgur.com/otRbvlr.jpg < my excited photo after learning it worked. 1092567;1428541528;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CigAff ) 1092568;1428541562;asciilifeform;wut 1092569;1428541564;asciilifeform;aha 1092570;1428541577;TomServo;huh? 1092571;1428541585;asciilifeform;wasn't loading at first 1092572;1428541641;asciilifeform;TomServo: you drilled the box, or what 1092573;1428541666;TomServo;Couple snips of the plastic allowed me to poke the wires through. 1092574;1428541689;asciilifeform;neato 1092575;1428541690;TomServo;The ridges over the ventilation holes in the bottom. 1092576;1428541706;asciilifeform;i barbarously screwed mine shut with the wires in. 1092577;1428541722;asciilifeform;pinch doesn't make a difference at 115200 baud... 1092578;1428541883;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu mega-liberasty-lol from obscure rat pit: http://catvalente.livejournal.com/690416.html 1092579;1428541886;assbot;Rules for Anchorites - Holding the Hugos–and the English Language–Hostage for Fun and Profit ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6psYN ) 1092580;1428541886;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1092581;1428541918;TomServo;asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/nz9De6B 1092582;1428541919;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6pwHY ) 1092583;1428541939;asciilifeform;TomServo: very clean! 1092584;1428542056;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/04/08/five-charts-that-may-soon-be-illegal-in-tanzania << preview of usa 1092585;1428542057;assbot; Five charts that may soon be illegal in Tanzania - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CiiCMl ) 1092586;1428542179;BingoBoingo;"Shockingly, only 27 percent of doctors could correctly diagnosis malaria with anemia, and 29 percent could correctly diagnose diarrhea with severe dehydration" << WTF 1092587;1428542482;ben_vulpes; http://i.imgur.com/O5rYZZS.gifv << wahaha 1092588;1428542482;assbot;Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CikcOd ) 1092589;1428542499;ben_vulpes;cops are scawwy what with their failure to understand basic physics 1092590;1428542516;asciilifeform;'guardia civil' ? 1092591;1428542541;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 1092592;1428542552;ben_vulpes;third world nomenclature isn't really my thing. 1092593;1428542564;asciilifeform;Tienen, por eso no lloran, 1092594;1428542564;asciilifeform;de plomo las calaveras. 1092595;1428542564;asciilifeform;Con el alma de charol 1092596;1428542564;asciilifeform;vienen por la carretera... (g. garcia lorca) 1092597;1428542576;BingoBoingo;lol 1092598;1428542592;decimation;asciilifeform: actually I would posit that the us mostly has a 'Gendarmerie' 1092599;1428542598;decimation;state police 1092600;1428542606;decimation;and federales 1092601;1428542627;BingoBoingo;Moar skulls!!! 1092602;1428542627;ben_vulpes;decimation: don't cities operate their own police force? 1092603;1428542639;asciilifeform;the local police handle most of the tedious everyday life 1092604;1428542667;ben_vulpes;maybe this socialist utopia's the last holdout. federales have been leaning hard on them for cracking a few too many crackpot brainpans, and beating up on brown folks. 1092605;1428542691;BingoBoingo;In my understanding outside of very large cities, grants tend to push local police toward the most tedious tasks 1092606;1428542729;BingoBoingo;"Seatbelt laws" 1092607;1428542749;decimation;after all it's not like the fbi can't come up with an excuse to arrest you if they wish 1092608;1428542780;ben_vulpes;i accidentally a stop sign at oh 30 mph on my bike the other day, right in front of a copper. 1092609;1428542785;decimation;re: wwiii > http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_aerospace_command_moving_comms_gear_back_to_bunker_999.html < hilarity 1092610;1428542786;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CildG5 ) 1092611;1428542818;ben_vulpes;thirty seconds later, "you know, i'm not the sort of guy to insist on a full foot-down stop from bikers at every stop sign. but DUDE! you came through that intersection at easily over 20 mph!" 1092612;1428542827;*;ben_vulpes dodges entropy again 1092613;1428542835;asciilifeform;decimation: l0l! i somehow missed that the mountain had been mothballed 1092614;1428542836;decimation;usg paid $bil to hollow out mountain, then paid $$ to modernize it after 2001, then decided it was 'too small' in 2006 (apparently nukes weren't a concern anymore) and now has suddenly seen wisdom in moving back into the bunker 1092615;1428542847;asciilifeform;it is an iconic landmark of usa 1092616;1428542859;asciilifeform;probably more recognizable, among a certain public, than the white house. 1092617;1428542882;asciilifeform;setting for, e.g., the film 'war games' 1092618;1428542885;decimation;asciilifeform: you can imagine how it would cramp the style of a high ranking usg 'staffer' to report for duty inside a hole 1092619;1428542957;decimation;it's amazing how the interests of the 'public at large' (even 'usg at large') can be usurped by some bureaucrat who likes a nice window office 1092620;1428542957;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1092621;1428542973;*;BingoBoingo wonders what is being done with Yucca mountain since it hasn't been filled with rads 1092622;1428542999;asciilifeform;decimation: cixi! 1092623;1428543003;decimation;aye 1092624;1428543031;*;asciilifeform proposes that this class of organism be from here on referred to as 'cixies' - pronounced like 'pixies' 1092625;1428543046;decimation;but here's the thing: apparently even the nuclear defense/attack commanders have been 'cixi-ized' 1092626;1428543073;asciilifeform;long ago. 1092627;1428543110;decimation;in the late 50's and 60's the nuclear force was largely run by actual people, who had agendas that made sense 1092628;1428543139;decimation;there are plenty of folks who are willing to pose with 'a hand on the captain's wheel' 1092629;1428543163;asciilifeform;decimation: not especially many bureaucrats ever believed that the rockets would fly. the purpose of investments like this was to bankrupt ussr, by forcing response in kind 1092630;1428543175;asciilifeform;when this was accomplished - there was no further investment 1092631;1428543181;decimation;some of them, yes. 1092632;1428543216;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, decimation: 'cixi' << a reference to the dowager empress? 1092633;1428543221;asciilifeform;aha 1092634;1428543224;asciilifeform;!s cixi 1092635;1428543224;assbot;4 results for 'cixi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cixi 1092636;1428543255;asciilifeform;the only reason she is remembered is for having banned railroad, because locomotive was 'too loud.' 1092637;1428543362;ben_vulpes;and the analogue here is "holes are unpleasant"? 1092638;1428543593;BingoBoingo;http://www.local10.com/news/bobcat-catches-shark-on-florida-beach/32237440 << Not a bobcat. 1092639;1428543594;assbot;Bobcat catches shark on Florida beach | News - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1CioaXd ) 1092640;1428543603;BingoBoingo;!up jitenm1 1092641;1428543831;decimation;lol http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/04/08/reddit-ceo-ellen-pao-bans-salary-negotiations-to-equalize-pay/ "“Men negotiate harder than women do and sometimes women get penalized when they do negotiate,” she said. “So as part of our recruiting process we don’t negotiate with candidates. 1092642;1428543834;assbot;Reddit CEO Ellen Pao Bans Salary Negotiations To Equalize Pay For Men, Women « CBS San Francisco ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cipbyi ) 1092643;1428543883;decimation;of course reddit doesn't even need to pay employees, what with having a vast reservoir of people who would gladly pay to work there 1092644;1428543894;ben_vulpes;entirely transparent project to reduce hiring costs 1092645;1428543996;mircea_popescu;!up jitenm1 1092646;1428544704;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888036 << history 1092647;1428544704;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2014 15:45:04; othernubs`: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html#fnr.20 << thanks for this write up, this would def. need to be patched in. <<< agreed, great writeup, altho evidence seems to point to 0.6.3 being the right choice 1092648;1428544719;ben_vulpes;jesus i will never live that squeeze thing down 1092649;1428544800;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes best quest! 1092650;1428544850;ben_vulpes;that was *october* 1092651;1428544856;ben_vulpes;feels like a lifetime! 1092652;1428545047;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888209 << aaaah cute mats still had his keys back then 1092653;1428545047;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2014 17:16:44; mats_cd03: this sounds like something i want to be involved in 1092654;1428545067;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, http://danielpbarron.com/qntra.asc.txt 1092655;1428545068;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DL3KMl ) 1092656;1428545154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00026491 = 9.6427 BTC [+] {2} 1092657;1428545168;mircea_popescu; But in the spirit of thumbing ones nose at government overreach, heres a sampling of unofficial, but highly reputable statistics about Tanzania that might explain whats going on. 1092658;1428545169;mircea_popescu;1. Only a third of children can read in English 1092659;1428545169;mircea_popescu;Like many other African countries, Tanzania has made huge strides in expanding basic services like health and education. The primary school enrollment rate, for instance, is officially at 94%. But unofficial statistics suggest the quality of those services is often quite poor. 1092660;1428545177;mircea_popescu;hey look at that. tanzanian kids read about as well as us kids. 1092661;1428545188;mircea_popescu;except, of course, english is about as relevant to tanzania as korean to the us. 1092662;1428545215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00026839 = 5.9851 BTC [+] 1092663;1428545453;ben_vulpes;trinque: i need those legacy deeds in deedbot. 1092664;1428545492;mircea_popescu;decimation yea, i'm sure THAT's why they don't negotiate. 1092665;1428545511;mircea_popescu;not because economy's dead and whoever has "investors" to connect them to the printing teat can simply dictate terms. 1092666;1428545543;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> entirely transparent project to reduce hiring costs << moar like, entirely transparent admission that "well, mp said he's killing us, we're as good as dead, might as well give up" 1092667;1428545607;ben_vulpes;boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing 1092668;1428545650;trinque;ben_vulpes: alright, I'll put 'em in 1092669;1428545663;ben_vulpes;apropos of nothing, what kind of retarded programming situation *even permits* for the bitcoin reward overflow bug in the first place?! 1092670;1428545688;ben_vulpes;trinque: thanks man. there's a lot of rebel foundation stuff in there i need published again. 1092671;1428545690;asciilifeform;ilkka kokkarinen, before being forced to choose between eating and blogging (tenure does not exist in canada?) had an interesting piece on the 'stages of progressivism' 1092672;1428545705;trinque;ben_vulpes: no problemo; doin it now 1092673;1428545709;asciilifeform;(1) was 'unthinkable' and (n) - i forget what n equaled - 'mandatory' 1092674;1428545730;mircea_popescu;3. The group is of the opinion that their work was being overlooked because of their politics, and that the Hugo ballots and winners of the last several years were only awarded due to leftist politics and the racial/sexual/gender identities of their authors, not quality. The tenor of the call to arms was explicitly and often resoundingly politicalthis is your chance to hurt SJWs. If you dont know what an SJ 1092675;1428545730;mircea_popescu;W is, I hope youre enjoying your new computer. It stands for Social Justice Warrior, which to a normal person sounds like someone who fights for justice and cares about all human beings, and to conservatives like the devil himself. The implication that they then must support injustice seems to be lost. 1092676;1428545730;ben_vulpes;trinque: thanks bae 1092677;1428545731;mircea_popescu;bwahaha. 1092678;1428545733;asciilifeform;the 'no negotiation' thing left stage-1 long ago, and is worming its way towards n 1092679;1428545737;mircea_popescu;ah that's some top kek lj drama. 1092680;1428545755;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for extra plus lulz: i met this person in real life once. 1092681;1428545773;mircea_popescu;really, opposing "social justice" implies one supports... injustice ? how about the obvious "social-anything is stupid, for many reasons we won't rehash, and never has anything to do with the vanilla version" ? 1092682;1428545777;mircea_popescu;i guess THATs lost. 1092683;1428545783;mircea_popescu;fat tranny ? 1092684;1428545801;mircea_popescu;"4. None of this is strictly speaking against the rules. Its unethical. Its almost laughably petty and mean-spirited." 1092685;1428545803;asciilifeform;female as far as i could determine 1092686;1428545826;mircea_popescu;o wait. bitching at excellent scientists because they didn't say stupid-thing-x-about-our-aggenda is not laughably petty and outright idiotic. 1092687;1428545856;mircea_popescu;social-thinking ftw. 1092688;1428545873;asciilifeform;so the quick version is, english language science fiction -mostly- died long ago 1092689;1428545879;mircea_popescu;".And to an author of integrity, its a pointless act of bullying, because if you dont compete against the best, an award is meaningless." 1092690;1428545880;asciilifeform;when the civilization that it was an ornament on, had died 1092691;1428545891;mircea_popescu;right. and brokeback mountain isn't an endless piece of meaningless cheese. because polarities. 1092692;1428545896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform srsly, it never really existed. 1092693;1428545919;asciilifeform;the remaining authors are largely 'wannebees' who wank themselves to sleep every night wishing for a 'minimum wage' income from their drivel; 1092694;1428545944;asciilifeform;a select few - who were able to con someone into printing, and a somewhat larger set of others (friends, family, sex partners) into buying, 1092695;1428545957;asciilifeform;get to earn approx. what a clerk earns, while doing this. 1092696;1428545974;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> right. and brokeback mountain isn't an endless piece of meaningless cheese. because polarities. <<< in fairness, the book was under 100 pages 1092697;1428545976;ben_vulpes;here's to the minimum wage and full employment! 1092698;1428545982;nubbins`;~65 iirc 1092699;1428545988;mircea_popescu;The ballot looks ridiculous. John C. Wright has three nominations in the novella category and six overall, a record. The vast majority of the works are published by Castalia House, a Finnish micropublisher barely a year old and owned, Im sure coincidentally, by Vox Day. Wisdom From My Internet, nominated in the Best Related Work category, is neither science fiction, nor, strictly speaking, a book, (Edit: many things 1092700;1428545988;mircea_popescu; not books have been nominated in the category, lets say its not an original work) but a collection of right-wing chain emails and one linerswhich, among other works 1092701;1428545991;ben_vulpes;may it drain the usg's coffers and drive her to hitherto unprecedented printing sprees. 1092702;1428546006;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ^ exactly like that, but in the other stupid colors. 1092703;1428546027;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you might be thinking of academics. the folks i was speaking of, don't get grantola. 1092704;1428546040;asciilifeform;they work largely like 'amway' salesmen once did 1092705;1428546047;nubbins`;<+ben_vulpes> boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing <<< i came for the btc, stayed for the lels 1092706;1428546058;asciilifeform;browbeating friends, family, colleagues, fucktoys - into 'pleeese buy!' 1092707;1428546079;ben_vulpes;http://pussydestroyer.shithouse.tv/ 1092708;1428546080;assbot;pussydestroyer ... ( http://bit.ly/1anEIFH ) 1092709;1428546081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally - amway never took off in romania. 1092710;1428546100;mircea_popescu;reason ? unattached youngish female begging people is usually offered a junior mistress arrangement. 1092711;1428546104;nubbins`;<+asciilifeform> (tenure does not exist in canada?) <<< canada's like a miniature version of usa set back a few years. 1092712;1428546112;decimation;I bet cultures that are largely 'peer to peer' are immune to 'multi-level marketing' 1092713;1428546121;mircea_popescu;i suppose one needs the particular idiocies of the us for the particular forms of the us idiocy to manifest. 1092714;1428546123;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/04/coinbase-outgoing-email-hacked/ 1092715;1428546124;assbot;Coinbase Outgoing Email Hacked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1anEPkz ) 1092716;1428546130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147950 @ 0.0002579 = 38.1563 BTC [-] {2} 1092717;1428546149;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didn't ro have its own national 'mmm' though ? 1092718;1428546151;asciilifeform;what was it 1092719;1428546152;asciilifeform;'caritas' ? 1092720;1428546185;mircea_popescu; <+ben_vulpes> boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing <<< i came for the btc, stayed for the lels << hey, if obama can save the economy... 1092721;1428546190;decimation;I was thinking in the sense that 'why should I buy from your dumbass amway when I already have a guy for that' 1092722;1428546191;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yup. 1092723;1428546204;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you savvy "food stamps"? 1092724;1428546216;mircea_popescu;decimation no, it's more like "why would a pretty girl like you go do this whorish stupid thing ?" 1092725;1428546221;decimation;heh 1092726;1428546231;decimation;in the us most of these schemes are 'sold 1092727;1428546231;mircea_popescu;"do a proper whorish thing instead." 1092728;1428546237;decimation;by old women 1092729;1428546253;mircea_popescu;mostly tried with "students" in .ro 1092730;1428546261;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: some of these people may or may not get various pensions, handouts, etc. mostly - not. 1092731;1428546265;mircea_popescu;ie, the 17-29 demographic 1092732;1428546317;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in the case of the woman linked earlier, my understanding is that she is largely funded by husband - a swell chap, from ru, of approximately my age, whom i also met once. 1092733;1428546332;ben_vulpes;wai wut woman? 1092734;1428546345;ben_vulpes;surely i'm not that drunk yet i thought we were talking of ilka 1092735;1428546348;trinque;punkman: hey dude, what's the encoding of the old deeds table's deed field? 1092736;1428546350;mircea_popescu;shame on him for not beating hr. 1092737;1428546351;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the one who wrote the 'hugo awards' thing 1092738;1428546364;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ilkka is/was a finnish chap 1092739;1428546371;trinque;punkman: it's a blob with dunno what inside 1092740;1428546373;nubbins`;i'm making breakfast cereal from scratch :o 1092741;1428546379;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i was speaking of c. valente 1092742;1428546382;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: that is what i thought! 1092743;1428546406;asciilifeform;1LLkNuQQ2GkS5DmQzsTxCmErUH8ew6dnDi from qntra << nothing but dust in there 1092744;1428546407;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what did you scratch ? 1092745;1428546411;asciilifeform;poor sc4mz0rz 1092746;1428546421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was exactly 0 when first reported here. 1092747;1428546427;nubbins`;mircea_popescu special sour yeast starter 8) 1092748;1428546435;mircea_popescu;lol k 1092749;1428546442;asciilifeform;i wonder how long until sp4mz0rz start simply posting addrs in commentspam 1092750;1428546446;nubbins`;"have a scratch, then bake it; natch" 1092751;1428546453;asciilifeform;to pick up the dust from idiots at noblis 1092752;1428546496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10552 @ 0.000251 = 2.6486 BTC [-] 1092753;1428546511;nubbins`;srs tho, been making cereal for about a month now. top yum 1092754;1428546517;ben_vulpes;i already have my own poet, can't be arsed with more. 1092755;1428546521;nubbins`;i may never buy honey shreddies again 1092756;1428546561;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Fi46BFAF0 1092757;1428546563;assbot;Nautical Disaster - Day for Night - The Tragically Hip - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1anGjvl ) 1092758;1428546575;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3c458c5e5fd92a27ce76e51ed5c07a87/tumblr_nf9cygEhX31qetydwo6_1280.jpg 1092759;1428546576;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1anGnLv ) 1092760;1428546599;ben_vulpes;hey i did a shoot like that once! 1092761;1428546620;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plot: poor gurl starved long enough, time to put out of misery 1092762;1428546629;ben_vulpes;heh 1092763;1428546643;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda bare... 1092764;1428546733;ben_vulpes;failed to satisfy master while starving, time... 1092765;1428546748;trinque;that prominent mons scared my weechat 1092766;1428546805;ben_vulpes;trinque: "prominent mons" << hyu 1092767;1428546812;asciilifeform;also terrible lack of even attempt at realism 1092768;1428546821;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg11023214#msg11023214 1092769;1428546822;assbot;[2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1anHdYE ) 1092770;1428546824;nubbins`;top kek 1092771;1428546836;asciilifeform;pistolero one-handed, victim - ignores wide open space in front of cocked hammer 1092772;1428547067;nubbins`;oh man. 1092773;1428547069;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31utl3/could_we_make_a_silk_road_for_medicine_where/ 1092774;1428547074;assbot;Could we make a "silk road for medicine", where users can buy not only medicine, but medical advice? Tipping for feedback. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1anI1ga ) 1092775;1428547092;nubbins`;sorry, i know all i'm doing is pasting links today 1092776;1428547095;nubbins`;but the lels, oh jesus 1092777;1428547126;nubbins`;a silk road for "medicine" 1092778;1428547130;nubbins`;where USERS 1092779;1428547138;nubbins`;can BUY. MEDICAL ADVICE. 1092780;1428547138;asciilifeform;nubbins`: laugh, but it is only funny because these folks have not invented wot yet. 1092781;1428547166;nubbins`;the guy is proposing to merge the silk road with yahoo! answers 1092782;1428547174;*;nubbins` pours drink, watches 1092783;1428547186;asciilifeform;they are discussing how to build tv set without having discovered electricity as of yet. 1092784;1428547209;nubbins`;"Hi, I'm an attorney. I want to describe what I consider to be inherent problems with this." 1092785;1428547235;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, did you intend to move the first footnote? I meant for it to go with the sentence about where Coinbase's response came from. 1092786;1428547281;trinque;nubbins`: that black chick that was doing the cement ass injections would be great for the site 1092787;1428547304;nubbins`;i can only imagine the horrors behind that statement. agreed. 1092788;1428547317;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: I did. Not a fan of footnotes above the read more link, looks confusing on the front page. 1092789;1428547331;trinque;http://gawker.com/5861135/cement-and-glue-butt-injection-doctor-has-unbelievable-curves << sorry for gawker, pic worth it 1092790;1428547332;assbot;Cement-and-Glue Butt Injection 'Doctor' Has Unbelievable Curves ... ( http://bit.ly/1anINKa ) 1092791;1428547369;asciilifeform;l0l, 'fix a flat' ! 1092792;1428547387;trinque;asciilifeform: with a name like that how could you not inject into your arse? 1092793;1428547390;danielpbarron;aight i'll keep that in mind for future articles 1092794;1428547439;asciilifeform;(for non-u.s. folks - a product consisting of an aerosol tin with a hose and a pull ring. hose attaches to flat tire, pull ring, contents - a sort of rubbery foam - released into tire in lieu of air) 1092795;1428547474;asciilifeform;i and everybody else have it in my car, in the box in the back where the fire extinguisher etc. is kept 1092796;1428547502;BingoBoingo; i and everybody else have it in my car, in the box in the back where the fire extinguisher etc. is kept << Wait your fire extinguisher isn't under the seat? 1092797;1428547522;ben_vulpes;yeah that's a demerit 1092798;1428547539;ben_vulpes;trinque: gawker and friends are blocked at /etc/hosts on babetops 1092799;1428547540;BingoBoingo; (for non-u.s. folks - a product consisting of an aerosol tin with a hose and a pull ring. hose attaches to flat tire, pull ring, contents - a sort of rubbery foam - released into tire in lieu of air) << Also pretty much guarentees you need a new wheel after use 1092800;1428547541;trinque;later... "BingoBoingo | bitch my whole car is a fire extinguisher" 1092801;1428547549;BingoBoingo;trinque: Not yet. 1092802;1428547552;trinque;BingoBoingo: good work 1092803;1428547556;trinque;* ben_vulpes ^ 1092804;1428547566;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's the traditional small extinquisher, meant for use on motor, not on self or passengers 1092805;1428547580;decimation;BingoBoingo: yeah but the point is to inflate wheel enough to make it to tire vendor 1092806;1428547591;asciilifeform;i am now wondering if you folks have halon or what in there. 1092807;1428547633;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Amall dry powder in passenger compartment, CO2 in trunk except summers 1092808;1428547678;BingoBoingo;decimation: That's what undersized spare in trunk is for 1092809;1428547699;BingoBoingo;*Small 1092810;1428547718;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the point is to avoid cranking the jack in the cold rain, etc. 1092811;1428547739;asciilifeform;mud on your suit 1092812;1428547765;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So you don't have a "dining fly" style tarp rig in your trunk? 1092813;1428547767;trinque;also if you're a tranny it makes for great womanly curves 1092814;1428547776;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and how on earth would it nuke your wheel 1092815;1428547782;asciilifeform;tire - yes 1092816;1428547838;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The fix a flat adheres to the wheel's metal. Also tends to deploy unevenly. wheels in the best case need scraped after use, in worst case become malformed 1092817;1428547899;decimation;only after driving on them for awhile 1092818;1428547912;nubbins`;"Update: Some of you have suggested that Morris might have body dysmorphic disorder. If that's the case, we hope she finds a professional who can guide her away from excessive plastic surgeries and toward self-acceptance." 1092819;1428547916;nubbins`;IF THAT'S THE CASE 1092820;1428547924;nubbins`;"sorry, we didn't realize this obvious mental illness had a name" 1092821;1428547929;*;asciilifeform used this type of product many times, had tires repaired, never noticed this effect - at one point even drove for entire year on such a tire. 1092822;1428547940;BingoBoingo;decimation: "a while" is not a very precise measurement 1092823;1428547974;decimation;between 100 and 1000 miles 1092824;1428547983;decimation;maybe even longer 1092825;1428547993;asciilifeform;nubbins`: iirc the 'state of the art' shrink practice is not 'self-acceptance' but prescription of mutilations 1092826;1428548000;asciilifeform;e.g. amputation fetishist gets amputation, etc. 1092827;1428548016;*;BingoBoingo always been sold on not using fix a flat without first person experience. 1092828;1428548049;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it has obvious caveats, such as being violently explosive 1092829;1428548060;*;BingoBoingo also generally suspicious of build quality of vehicle parts 1092830;1428548068;mircea_popescu;nubbins` for my curiosity, when are you gonna get bored with it ? 1092831;1428548075;decimation;it's all shit that falls apart 1092832;1428548113;nubbins`;<+asciilifeform> e.g. amputation fetishist gets amputation, etc. <<< met a girl once who'd self-amputated her fingertip, doctors didn't think too much of it 1092833;1428548126;asciilifeform;nubbins`: yakuza ? 1092834;1428548126;trinque;o.0 1092835;1428548149;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> nubbins` for my curiosity, when are you gonna get bored with it ? <<< now-ish 1092836;1428548160;nubbins`;asciilifeform naw pin-up girl 1092837;1428548167;mircea_popescu;o.O 1092838;1428548174;mircea_popescu;who wants an ex carpenter pin-up 1092839;1428548176;asciilifeform;nubbins`: do tell ? 1092840;1428548183;nubbins`;http://twwly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/pupsglam2.jpg 1092841;1428548184;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1anLviK ) 1092842;1428548196;asciilifeform;i assume 'self-amputated' means something other than machine-shop 1092843;1428548218;decimation; m' 1092844;1428548218;nubbins`;apparently chisels are popular 1092845;1428548229;trinque;they'll make a "subculture" out of anything 1092846;1428548232;nubbins`;"popular", listen to me 1092847;1428548235;mircea_popescu; the guy is proposing to merge the silk road with yahoo! answers << well, they already implemented "yahoo finance boards" as "bitcoin finance" 1092848;1428548242;nubbins`;ha 1092849;1428548244;trinque;kitten stomping, dick hammering, you name it 1092850;1428548252;trinque;what will the kids think of next 1092851;1428548261;nubbins`;trinque what's wrong with dick hammering? 1092852;1428548262;decimation;I don't get how one gets from "want to cut" to "imma cut my fukin' fingertip off' 1092853;1428548265;nubbins`;grow up and live a little 1092854;1428548282;asciilifeform; what will the kids think of next << here's to hoping that it's dueling they'll think of. 1092855;1428548305;nubbins`;i actually read a handful of stories from self-amputees over the years 1092856;1428548309;nubbins`;one guy took off a hand 1092857;1428548311;mircea_popescu; trinque: gawker and friends are blocked at /etc/hosts on babetops << what sort of an abusive relationsheep is this! 1092858;1428548313;asciilifeform;or even the proverbial 'ru. roulette with automatic' 1092859;1428548337;asciilifeform;wai wat is a 'babetop' ? 1092860;1428548349;trinque;asciilifeform: nah dueling has no victim 1092861;1428548370;trinque;nubbins`: seems like incremental suicide 1092862;1428548400;decimation;maybe if my hand is dead that's like suicide? 1092863;1428548401;nubbins`;trinque waking up every day is incremental suicide 1092864;1428548404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i imagine the system his wife is using 1092865;1428548406;trinque;nubbins`: bah 1092866;1428548410;BingoBoingo; wai wat is a 'babetop' ? << Tits??? 1092867;1428548420;trinque;not like I've never felt pain, but I don't see the point in losing parts 1092868;1428548429;nubbins`;http://news.bme.com/2008/03/11/de-fingered-finger-amputation-interviews-in-bmenews-publishers-ring/ 1092869;1428548431;assbot;De-Fingered: Finger Amputation Interviews in BME/News [Publisher's Ring] | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News ... ( http://bit.ly/1anMnE6 ) 1092870;1428548433;ben_vulpes;specially not the moneymaking parts 1092871;1428548442;nubbins`;http://news.bme.com/2007/08/13/diy-finger-amputation/ 1092872;1428548444;assbot;DIY Finger Amputation | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News ... ( http://bit.ly/1anMqQ7 ) 1092873;1428548444;asciilifeform;nubbins`: iirc from shrink literature, proper ampuphetishists grow 'alienated' from their hand/foot/cock, coming to believe that it was a foreign object sewn on to them by martian abductors or somesuch. 1092874;1428548445;nubbins`;these are obviously NSFW 1092875;1428548452;nubbins`;http://news.bme.com/2012/10/15/memorial-amputation/ 1092876;1428548454;assbot;Memorial Amputation | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News ... ( http://bit.ly/1anMuj4 ) 1092877;1428548454;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you know how it is when they come to you asking for the right decisions to be made. 1092878;1428548463;nubbins`;http://news.bme.com/2011/08/01/frozen-extremes/ 1092879;1428548465;assbot;Frozen extremes | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News ... ( http://bit.ly/1anMtvm ) 1092880;1428548467;nubbins`;^ whole foot 1092881;1428548474;trinque;seems like humans will a) accept any category they've heard about a certain number of times and b) compete with each other as examples of that category 1092882;1428548481;asciilifeform;'frozen extremes' << will guess, he used nitrogen ? 1092883;1428548484;asciilifeform;and hammer 1092884;1428548494;decimation;sure why not make a subreddit where sick fucks can egg each other on 1092885;1428548494;nubbins`;dry ice 1092886;1428548495;nubbins`;and time 1092887;1428548506;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i do, but it's nothing liek that. 1092888;1428548516;asciilifeform;nubbins`: sounds gangrenous 1092889;1428548522;decimation;maybe a subreddit discussing why "i don't negotiate because reasons" 1092890;1428548526;mircea_popescu;no further than tonight, girl got sent to bed early because well, bought eggs at carefour. 1092891;1428548530;mircea_popescu;who the fuck does that ?! 1092892;1428548538;nubbins`;asciilifeform he couldn't saw it off himself, so he froze it with dry ice and went to the hospital 1092893;1428548543;nubbins`;where they kindly removed it for him 1092894;1428548548;mircea_popescu;but the idea isn't to make stupid shit impossible. just punishable. 1092895;1428548549;asciilifeform;nubbins`: aha gulag-style 1092896;1428548555;ben_vulpes;hm 1092897;1428548565;asciilifeform;(prisoners at one point would mutilate own hands, feet, to be excused from work for a spell) 1092898;1428548575;nubbins`;a! 1092899;1428548579;ben_vulpes;(the correct procurement point being avicar, clearly) 1092900;1428548582;asciilifeform;in wartime this was an instant capital offense 1092901;1428548585;asciilifeform;but in peacetime - no 1092902;1428548588;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nah, grocer. 1092903;1428548590;decimation;yeah, but then you gotta go back to mining uranium without hand 1092904;1428548603;ben_vulpes;what was she doing at carefour anyways? 1092905;1428548607;asciilifeform;decimation: if lacking both hands - you'd become a human 'soil compactor' 1092906;1428548612;decimation;lol 1092907;1428548615;asciilifeform;missing feet - left to starve 1092908;1428548624;decimation;why not eaten by others? 1092909;1428548635;asciilifeform;i did not say whether eaten. 1092910;1428548637;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: hey avicar had great eggs 1092911;1428548640;nubbins`;http://news.bme.com/2010/03/24/interview-with-james-keen-a-young-heavily-modified-eunuch/ 1092912;1428548642;assbot;Interview with James Keen; a young, heavily modified, eunuch. | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbfxYa ) 1092913;1428548646;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes prolly looking for gawker magazine, fuck if i know. 1092914;1428548652;mircea_popescu;i never used it. 1092915;1428548657;nubbins`;^ i actually watched this guy go from a vanilla fat kid into what you see in the first picture 1092916;1428548660;decimation;if you feel like hacking your foot off, can I eat it? 1092917;1428548662;nubbins`;over the course of maybe 2-3 years 1092918;1428548679;asciilifeform;decimation: as features in roal dahl's story with the bums 1092919;1428548685;asciilifeform;or in the film 'snow piercer' 1092920;1428548692;asciilifeform;or 1000 other works of art 1092921;1428548699;trinque;cannot comprehend a person who cuts off his own balls 1092922;1428548707;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: gawker magazine << hawww 1092923;1428548710;trinque;other than it must be a few notches below suicide 1092924;1428548712;asciilifeform;!s a pig like this 1092925;1428548713;assbot;1 results for 'a pig like this' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+pig+like+this 1092926;1428548715;trinque;genetic suicide or something 1092927;1428548737;ben_vulpes;and now there are three, asciilifeform 1092928;1428548740;ben_vulpes;this is how you get ants. 1092929;1428548741;trinque;"but dude... you are... hmmm.. *you*." 1092930;1428548743;ben_vulpes;do you want ants? 1092931;1428548752;decimation;". I remember as my second testicle was being clipped from the body, it was an expierence I won’t forget! The feeling of YES it is finally done! I remember it all like yesterday. Months after, and I’m talking 3-4 months of not taking testosterone shots or anything, I started getting hot flashes." 1092932;1428548771;nubbins`;http://news.bme.com/2011/01/10/just-the-tip/ 1092933;1428548772;assbot;Just the tip | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbg4JR ) 1092934;1428548775;nubbins`;it's mostly fingertips 1092935;1428548775;asciilifeform;http://www.funnypart.com/funny/pig.shtml 1092936;1428548777;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbg6RY ) 1092937;1428548785;nubbins`;very rare to go bigger 1092938;1428548800;ben_vulpes;disappoiting. 1092939;1428548806;ben_vulpes;i was hoping for cocklets. 1092940;1428548811;nubbins`;inorite 1092941;1428548811;trinque;runaway grooming impulse? 1092942;1428548813;nubbins`;plenty of that too 1092943;1428548816;mircea_popescu;i'd really like to get with the program here and think "hey, more power to em", but the vast majority of the self improvers are just deranged. 1092944;1428548823;nubbins`;mircea_popescu has it 1092945;1428548838;ben_vulpes;i actually *let my piercings close up* 1092946;1428548847;decimation;^ which is why they need to be put back to mining U instead of letting them wollow in 'tardation 1092947;1428548859;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeah I had pierced ears 1092948;1428548863;bitstein;BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/04/coinbase-outgoing-email-hacked/ << Pierre_Rochard and I have been trying to tell Coinbase they should be using PGP for a while now. https://community.coinbase.com/t/pgp-signed-encrypted-e-mails/470 Adrian from Coinbase (presumably the same one as linked to in the article) said: "Do you think that simply signing messages sent from Coinbase with PGP would add any additional security over 1092949;1428548864;assbot;Coinbase Outgoing Email Hacked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbgsI2 ) 1092950;1428548866;assbot;PGP Signed / Encrypted E-mails - Coinbase Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbgtvH ) 1092951;1428548866;mircea_popescu;decimation i dun believe anyone's stupidity is anyone else's responsibility. 1092952;1428548866;ben_vulpes;but i'm probably fully in the deranged category 1092953;1428548866;bitstein; DKIM?" So that worked out well for them. 1092954;1428548875;ben_vulpes;trinque: i had a subcutaneous piercing across the back of my neck 1092955;1428548876;asciilifeform;there is something to the 'mortido' hypothesis 1092956;1428548878;*;ben_vulpes waggles his cock 1092957;1428548881;trinque;damn son 1092958;1428548887;nubbins`;that said, there are plenty of people who cut off a fingertip, tattoo their face, cut their nuts off, w/e... and then just go on to lead a normal, happy life 1092959;1428548888;decimation;I guess as long as they are hacking their own feet off and not mine 1092960;1428548888;asciilifeform;that pain, death, mutilation are micronutrients 1092961;1428548893;nubbins`;they're in the clear minority, sure 1092962;1428548899;nubbins`;but they're there 1092963;1428548905;mircea_popescu;bitstein the thing with idiots is that they will continue to think they know better indefinitely. 1092964;1428548906;ben_vulpes;trinque: i'll show you the vampire bite sometime 1092965;1428548920;mircea_popescu;hopefully they run out of money and then they vcan go on thinking they knew better with the winklevii and the rest of the dumbcrowd. 1092966;1428548922;asciilifeform;folks kept as 'axenic mice' tend to go off the rollers in ways like this. 1092967;1428548932;nubbins`;<+ben_vulpes> trinque: i had a subcutaneous piercing across the back of my neck << hah no wai 1092968;1428548948;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: boss you don't even know 1092969;1428548953;nubbins`;i had the frenulum under my tongue pierced 1092970;1428548956;ben_vulpes;i'm just out of readies right now 1092971;1428548958;nubbins`;heh 1092972;1428548961;bitstein;mircea_popescu: I don't think we ever expected them to actually implement it. We just enjoy publicly shaming wallet inspectors. 1092973;1428548974;mircea_popescu;nubbins` "leading normal happy life" is not the gold standard. 1092974;1428548975;ben_vulpes;bitstein: y'all reconcile over the megablocks yet? 1092975;1428548991;nubbins`;mircea_popescu for someone who has to cut off a finger to achieve it... it probably is 1092976;1428548997;trinque;I'm still staring at this guy's severed finger 1092977;1428549005;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it doesn't mean anything, for one. 1092978;1428549006;decimation;nubbins`: when my baby boy was born the doctor said "his frenulum is really long, you want me to snip it"? 1092979;1428549016;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: if you need "a thing" to achieve it, you'll soon want another "thing" 1092980;1428549023;ben_vulpes;insatiability of man etc 1092981;1428549036;danielpbarron;i wasn't suggesting coinbase gpg sign all outgoing email, as such a thing would be pointless if automated, and impossible if not 1092982;1428549039;decimation;all human happiness is relative 1092983;1428549041;mircea_popescu;moreover, people who think they achieved hapiness are the golden standard of deranged. 1092984;1428549042;nubbins`;ben_vulpes if you need to cum to relax, you'll soon want to cum again 1092985;1428549049;trinque;lol 1092986;1428549058;decimation;a turd sandwich sounds delicious to someone about the starve to death 1092987;1428549063;nubbins`;decimation didja snip it? 1092988;1428549073;asciilifeform;wait till you hear about eating. not only do you need to do it again soon, but all that money - turned to shit! 1092989;1428549080;nubbins`;^ 1092990;1428549081;decimation;nubbins`: no, and he did just fine. supposedly it would 'prevent nursing' 1092991;1428549089;mircea_popescu;really bad example. eating is pleasurable. 1092992;1428549098;nubbins`;decimation if it ends up a problem down the road, people have it done as adults all the time 1092993;1428549099;BingoBoingo;bitspill: DKIM used to be a popular spamzor turd at first, guarenteed to hit yahoo accounts 1092994;1428549116;nubbins`;mircea_popescu you don't think cutting the fingertips off is pleasurable for these people? 1092995;1428549124;mircea_popescu;i know it can't be. 1092996;1428549126;bitstein;ben_vulpes: I've been busy thinking about other things. I have some articles to review, though, that touch the subject. So we'll see if anyone comes to any new conclusions. 1092997;1428549136;nubbins`;pleasure centers are funny things 1092998;1428549146;trinque;seems like the finger cutting wants an audience 1092999;1428549147;mircea_popescu;hence deranged. 1093000;1428549158;asciilifeform;i can easily picture them feeling it as a 'long no-safeword scene' or somesuch 1093001;1428549158;nubbins`;since when is deranged a negative! 1093002;1428549171;mircea_popescu;depends what you're looking for. 1093003;1428549175;mircea_popescu;since when is buggy code bad ? 1093004;1428549188;nubbins`;asciilifeform unsurprisingly there's a massive overlap between "body mod" world and bdsm 1093005;1428549196;mircea_popescu;no there isn't. 1093006;1428549200;trinque;miles of difference between getting choked or whatever and cutting off body parts 1093007;1428549243;Chillum;damn hard drive died 1093008;1428549246;ben_vulpes;punkman: yo i need legacy deed specifications. get in touch with trinque, if you'd be so kind. 1093009;1428549251;Chillum;good thing I backup 1093010;1428549261;nubbins`;you're no april's fool 1093011;1428549267;Chillum;lol 1093012;1428549270;ben_vulpes;;;later tell punkman yo i need legacy deed specifications. get in touch with trinque, if you'd be so kind. 1093013;1428549270;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1093014;1428549273;mircea_popescu;there's a large overlap between idiotic sjw types, fair going lice-in-hair types, gender-and-social-role-issues types and perceived-scandalous-stuff types. 1093015;1428549275;ben_vulpes;Chillum: back around again? 1093016;1428549280;mircea_popescu;the overlap is : poor, stupid, young adults. 1093017;1428549281;Chillum;almost spit gin and tonic out my nose nubbins` 1093018;1428549291;Chillum;ben_vulpes: I am around 1093019;1428549294;trinque;I knew someone who was a "cutter" 1093020;1428549300;trinque;and it was invariably about the attention after the act 1093021;1428549302;trinque;not the pain 1093022;1428549305;trinque;this looks like that 1093023;1428549308;ben_vulpes;trinque: always 1093024;1428549326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and for the record, the overlap between bdsm and "scenes" is roughly the overlap between human sexuality and brazzers. 1093025;1428549335;mircea_popescu;weirdo kabuki nobody takes seriously. 1093026;1428549338;asciilifeform;what are brazzers ? 1093027;1428549346;nubbins`;mircea_popescu and there isn't an overlap between the two groups who agree "hurty things are nice". gotcha 1093028;1428549350;mircea_popescu;this particular californite pron producer. 1093029;1428549375;mircea_popescu;nubbins` if your idea of bdsm is "hurty things are nice" and idem of body mods, the problem is this will overlap anything. 1093030;1428549380;asciilifeform;trinque: oddly enough i knew such a person, and it was very much not a 'performance act' considering that it was done in secret and only evident long after by the scars 1093031;1428549380;mircea_popescu;for instance voting. 1093032;1428549406;nubbins`;voting actually hurts 1093033;1428549418;nubbins`;you know there's still no option for "none of the above" here? 1093034;1428549430;mircea_popescu;heh. 1093035;1428549470;ben_vulpes;good night, asshats! 1093036;1428549490;trinque;ben_vulpes: adios 1093037;1428549490;mircea_popescu;anyway. the pain per se is rarely sought by the body mod crowd. as trinque points out, attention whoring much higher on the list. 1093038;1428549502;mircea_popescu;similarly, more people in bdsm are after the humiliation than the straight pain. 1093039;1428549509;nubbins`;http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/twwly1/6iqbht6a.jpg 1093040;1428549510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbiJ6c ) 1093041;1428549514;mircea_popescu;so... you know, picking something way down off the list of either doesn't make much of a connection 1093042;1428549548;nubbins`;in fairness, i went way farther down the mod rabbit hole than most 1093043;1428549548;asciilifeform;i can even imagine cargo-cult masochists 1093044;1428549560;asciilifeform;who go in for greater and greater torments, hoping to overflow the register 1093045;1428549560;nubbins`;i've met some extremely complicated people over the years 1093046;1428549580;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i am not proposing you're no good here. 1093047;1428549599;nubbins`;good, 'cause i didn't get that impression 1093048;1428549616;punkman;trinque: zlib compressed 1093049;1428549620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well the masochists you imagine and the masochists you'll encounter are guaranteed to never meet. 1093050;1428549628;trinque;punkman: ah, thank you! 1093051;1428549638;mircea_popescu;for one thing, actual masochism is quite rare. about as rare as actual homosexuals. 1093052;1428549651;asciilifeform;so what are the remaining ones ? 1093053;1428549651;mircea_popescu;whereas, plain female submission (either natural, or else imprinted/misdeveloped) is quite common. 1093054;1428549655;asciilifeform;aha 1093055;1428549674;mircea_popescu;women to some degree are coded to neglect pain or else they'd never get pregnant. 1093056;1428549681;mircea_popescu;this isnt masochism per se. 1093057;1428549689;asciilifeform;neglect != enjoy ? 1093058;1428549712;nubbins`;knew a guy who went by the name "mal" who was in the process of letting his wife cut his dick off 1093059;1428549721;mircea_popescu;well, neglect indeed can be enjoy. 1093060;1428549729;mircea_popescu;imagine you just found out how to neglect noise in a noisy room 1093061;1428549745;mircea_popescu;narrow space in the head, so everything ends up the other thing all the time. broken shit. 1093062;1428549762;asciilifeform;i know of at least five cases of craftsmen who built and used, on selves, guillotines. 1093063;1428549769;asciilifeform;does this count as amputation fetishism... 1093064;1428549773;trinque;hahaha 1093065;1428549777;mircea_popescu;or simple seneca-ism. 1093066;1428549795;nubbins`;he ended up getting divorced in the end, which was a bit of a kick in his absent nuts 1093067;1428549808;nubbins`;but at least he has a bifurcated penis for his troubles now 1093068;1428549812;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i knew of a guy who was a total slob, ended up giving himself renal failure. 1093069;1428549812;asciilifeform; narrow space in the head, so everything ends up the other thing << this is how the 'cutter' explained it to me 1093070;1428549823;mircea_popescu;wife gave him a kidney (they matched), he cleanned up his act 1093071;1428549827;mircea_popescu;and divorced her. 1093072;1428549846;nubbins`;hm, you ever watch Lost? i guess not 1093073;1428549853;mircea_popescu;nope ? 1093074;1428549862;trinque;asciilifeform: hm, maybe I didn't describe the situation I know of fully. she mentioned that it cleared her head a couple times 1093075;1428549880;nubbins`;anyway, in the show, there's this old man, john locke. hard life, series of misfortunes. finds his dad as an adult, befriends him, everything's great 1093076;1428549881;trinque;I think a pathological way to do so, but maybe there was something there other than just the narcissism, though that factored in 1093077;1428549883;nubbins`;dad needs a kidney. 1093078;1428549905;nubbins`;john wakes up in the recovery room after donating said kidney -- dad had checked out an hour earlier, never to be seen again 1093079;1428549920;mircea_popescu;ha. 1093080;1428549939;mircea_popescu;actually, i now recall there was this ancient... czech maybe ? film, about a stamp collector 1093081;1428549945;nubbins`;he tracks his dad down, they argue, dad pushes him out a 7th floor window, paralyzing him 1093082;1428549949;mircea_popescu;and they tricked him with a rare stamp, guy lost a kidney. 1093083;1428549987;asciilifeform;tales of stolen organs pre-date the invention of transplantation 1093084;1428549992;asciilifeform;in fact, africans still 'muti' 1093085;1428550018;asciilifeform;i wouldn't be certain that it will be very long before 'muti' is introduced in usa 1093086;1428550030;asciilifeform;('medicinal cannibalism') 1093087;1428550053;trinque;I think I'd have to not consider my body to be "me" to be able to cut off a finger.. 1093088;1428550058;mircea_popescu;im sure they already do it in the ghetto. 1093089;1428550064;trinque;seems like magical thinking just as bad as any religious nut 1093090;1428550077;nubbins`;trinque what about "thinking" is not magical to you? 1093091;1428550080;mircea_popescu;trinque im certainly able to cut the whole lot off. 1093092;1428550083;mircea_popescu;just... why the fuck would i. 1093093;1428550089;asciilifeform;trinque: not consider my body to be "me" << fwiw, this is how the shrinkature describes it 1093094;1428550092;trinque;that's what I mean, able to rationalize it 1093095;1428550110;trinque;asciilifeform: I agree up to the point where they try to make the body fit the "mind" 1093096;1428550117;trinque;instead of saying look kid, you've got a penis 1093097;1428550125;nubbins`;groan 1093098;1428550129;mircea_popescu;yeah, because god forbid their stupid "mind" ie narciself ever has to adapt to anything. 1093099;1428550133;trinque;^ 1093100;1428550136;*;mircea_popescu *beatings* 1093101;1428550184;Chillum;I have been looking into laser cutters. I have seen this aluminum with a black anodized layer. The laser can blast off the black layer to give strong contrasting metal images. I am thinking it may be a good way to make very long term(decades) bitcoin wallets 1093102;1428550193;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/7a18b42546599744d309f33bf22c294a/tumblr_n3hc0skbZU1tpwtg5o1_1280.png 1093103;1428550195;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbl4xZ ) 1093104;1428550223;nubbins`;"nineteen eighty-four" with an all-female cast! 1093105;1428550231;mircea_popescu;Chillum if you could get it to work on bronze... 1093106;1428550238;nubbins`;this is right before the "FOREVER" 1093107;1428550249;Chillum;not sure if you can anodize bronze 1093108;1428550257;Chillum;it has the advantage of being extremely durable 1093109;1428550258;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it wouldn't work, imo. 1984 so deeply depends on very male erotic sentiment. 1093110;1428550263;Chillum;why bronze? 1093111;1428550268;nubbins`;Chillum i think you can 1093112;1428550272;Chillum;nice 1093113;1428550274;mircea_popescu;bronze is the most durable thing we have. 1093114;1428550274;asciilifeform;Chillum: cut something that is actually thick 1093115;1428550284;asciilifeform;and doesn't corrode 1093116;1428550313;trinque;nubbins`: by magical thinking I mean the kind which simply tries to declare things to be other than they are 1093117;1428550324;Chillum;aluminum insulates itself from corrosion once it gets a thin layer 1093118;1428550328;nubbins`;trinque o. 1093119;1428550346;Chillum;mircea_popescu: if it can be anodized then bronze would be a great way to go 1093120;1428550355;mircea_popescu;i don't see why it couldn't. 1093121;1428550357;Chillum;there are bronze items going back to... well the bronze age 1093122;1428550365;nubbins`;like how the salaryman declares himself to be confident before asking for the promotion? 1093123;1428550375;asciilifeform;bronze -items- not little scratches thereon. 1093124;1428550382;mircea_popescu;actually the bronze age items will still be imperceptibly altered long after new york is barely a flat spot in the sediment record. 1093125;1428550384;trinque;nubbins`: whatever bullshit rituals work for him 1093126;1428550412;Chillum;just googled it, anodized bronze sheets are available 1093127;1428550423;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you could make the dots 1 sqcm 1093128;1428550427;trinque;nubbins`: he could simply decide that he is going to ask for the thing, and do it 1093129;1428550433;asciilifeform;Chillum: at any rate, you need a very expensive tube before you can actually cut metals, vs. a thin coat of anodized. 1093130;1428550434;Chillum;could work. The problem is that everyone needs their own laser cutter as you cannot trust another to make a key for you 1093131;1428550446;nubbins`;sure. he could simply decide fuck this, i don't want this dick, what good's it anyway, too 1093132;1428550447;mircea_popescu;Chillum lasers are cheap and getting cheaper. 1093133;1428550458;trinque;nubbins`: I'm not gonna stop him 1093134;1428550460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tube lasers cost roughly what they cost 30 years ago,. 1093135;1428550465;asciilifeform;the tech has not changed. 1093136;1428550468;nubbins`;of course you're not. how could you? 1093137;1428550469;Chillum;cutting metal is a no-go for co2 lasers, not going to spend 20k+ on a metal cutter 1093138;1428550471;nubbins`;o.O 1093139;1428550484;mircea_popescu;and ima go eulora. laters! 1093140;1428550485;Chillum;but zapping off 1-2mm thick layers of anodization is doable 1093141;1428550490;asciilifeform;Chillum: you can buy arbitrarily large co2 tube. 1093142;1428550493;asciilifeform;but - expensive. 1093143;1428550505;trinque;nubbins`: this gets into "everything's relative" and I don't really subscribe to that 1093144;1428550512;Chillum;true but beyond a certain power other types of lasers make more sense 1093145;1428550516;trinque;what would happen if every man cut off his dick 1093146;1428550521;nubbins`;lel. 1093147;1428550523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00025557 = 9.2772 BTC [+] 1093148;1428550529;nubbins`;the laws of probability would have broken down 1093149;1428550533;asciilifeform;Chillum: you will find that, large or small, the cost of the cooling and ventilation apparatus will approach the cost of the machine itself. 1093150;1428550535;nubbins`;and we'd have bigger problems. 1093151;1428550545;nubbins`;like, say, the lineup at the dick-scissor store. 1093152;1428550552;asciilifeform;!s dulap 1093153;1428550553;assbot;14 results for 'dulap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dulap 1093154;1428550571;Chillum;asciilifeform: I am for a larger place to live, then I will be getting one. Will certainly be doing a lot of research first 1093155;1428550593;nubbins`;trinque it kinda seems like you're arguing people cut their dicks off /on a whim/ 1093156;1428550595;trinque;+nubbins` | like, say, the lineup at the dick-scissor store. < ahahha 1093157;1428550619;nubbins`;like "oh, lel, w/e" 1093158;1428550631;decimation;does usg even allow you to possess a laser like that without permission? 1093159;1428550635;trinque;nubbins`: nah it seems like... a big deal 1093160;1428550645;trinque;maybe life is just too boring for them? 1093161;1428550656;nubbins`;yep. maybe. 1093162;1428550658;trinque;they'd rather be hacking enemies with axes or god knows what 1093163;1428550663;asciilifeform;Chillum: if you must cut metal, in virtually all cases milling, water-jet, or even plasma cut is cheaper. 1093164;1428550671;Chillum;I don't expect to cut metal 1093165;1428550678;trinque;nubbins`: I was actually looking for an explanation for the thing 1093166;1428550693;trinque;that one sort of works... "I'm wired to experience far more pain and risk than I've ever seen in this boring life" 1093167;1428550703;Chillum;I expect to remove a layer of foil, laminent or anodization from metal 1093168;1428550709;asciilifeform;on account of the poor massless photons, a 100w power saw cuts like a 10kW laser.. 1093169;1428550713;trinque;just seems a bad substitute for whatever used to satisfy it, if that's so 1093170;1428550732;decimation;asciilifeform: wouldn't most of the photons get reflected dangerously around the area? 1093171;1428550734;Chillum;it would be nice to cut PCBs but not going to happen in my price range 1093172;1428550745;asciilifeform;decimation: depends on the wavelength 1093173;1428550747;nubbins`;trinque people who feel they're being cheated of pain and risk usually take up dangerous hobbies 1093174;1428550753;nubbins`;not get a sex change 1093175;1428550760;decimation;Chillum: why not use milling bit to mill pcb? 1093176;1428550763;trinque;nubbins`: I was talking about the guy who chops his finger off 1093177;1428550767;trinque;dunno then 1093178;1428550772;trinque;nubbins`: what do you think it is? 1093179;1428550773;nubbins`;oh, jeez. you're jumping back and forth. 1093180;1428550777;asciilifeform;decimation: glass, for instance, is quite opaque to ir and cuts with co2 tube 1093181;1428550783;nubbins`;trinque are you hetero? 1093182;1428550787;trinque;nubbins`: I am 1093183;1428550788;decimation;yeah but metal? 1093184;1428550794;Chillum;decimation: it is cheaper to just use ferric chloride 1093185;1428550796;nubbins`;ever really wanted to fuck? 1093186;1428550799;Chillum;nasty stuff but effective 1093187;1428550809;trinque;nubbins`: yeah this one time.. 1093188;1428550817;nubbins`;i mean, REALLY, REALLY wanted to 1093189;1428550821;trinque;of course 1093190;1428550825;asciilifeform;etched pcb will probably keep longer than any ancient papyrus 1093191;1428550828;asciilifeform;if not submerged 1093192;1428550836;asciilifeform;cu on fiberglass 1093193;1428550836;nubbins`;multiply that by 1000, and make it about having a pussy instead of a dick. 1093194;1428550846;Chillum;etched PCB wallets is something I tried 1093195;1428550855;nubbins`;does that make sense? 1093196;1428550885;trinque;nubbins`: but was the guy getting his dick chopped off one of those? 1093197;1428550898;trinque;and yeah, it does a bit 1093198;1428550900;nubbins`;ask him 1093199;1428550903;asciilifeform;nubbins`: in a way, the folks who 'by 1000 want' to be dragons, are better off 1093200;1428550907;trinque;turns out though that we don't know how to make men into women 1093201;1428550911;asciilifeform;nubbins`: they won't be taken in by a cruel sham 1093202;1428550920;trinque;we just know how to turn a dick inside out and sew it inside 1093203;1428550922;nubbins`;what i'm trying to say is that it's impossible for me, or you, to say what any individual's motivations are when doing something this extreme 1093204;1428550925;asciilifeform;because we have not yet invented a 'trans-draconic' industry 1093205;1428550939;trinque;nubbins`: I'll agree with that 1093206;1428550993;decimation;if you want to make a 'long life wallet' just get a small sheet of bronze and hand-etch with 'hand engraver' for 10 bux 1093207;1428550997;nubbins`;what's the most complicated personal crisis you've had to deal with? 1093208;1428551023;asciilifeform;decimation: problem is that anything easy to do, is easy for the sands of time to scramble up. 1093209;1428551047;trinque;nubbins`: identity-wise? I don't tend to think about it. maybe something to do with a job 1093210;1428551079;Chillum;All I know is that anodizing is used instead of paint when something needs to stand up to more abuse 1093211;1428551085;trinque;that relates to how I see this, as a sort of obsession with identity 1093212;1428551086;decimation;asciilifeform: or you could use a 'letter & number die punch set', it would take quite awhile to wear off 1093213;1428551090;nubbins`;most people don't tend to think about personal crises once they've passed, so you're not unusual in that regard. did you find it hard to succinctly state what was wrong, to yourself or to others? 1093214;1428551093;Chillum;a true engraving or outside cut-out would be more ideal 1093215;1428551104;Chillum;solid gold or platinum would not decay 1093216;1428551127;asciilifeform;obligatory >> https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Robust.HTM 1093217;1428551129;assbot;Writing in the Sand: The Need for Ultra-Robust Digital Archiving ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbobG9 ) 1093218;1428551157;trinque;nubbins`: I am invariably dull when it comes to expressing my feelings to others 1093219;1428551168;trinque;but yes, very hard to take internal state and convey it sometimes, for anyone 1093220;1428551174;Chillum;asciilifeform: nice link, I have read that before 1093221;1428551182;nubbins`;sure. and that's for something as trivial and banal as a fucking /job/. 1093222;1428551192;Chillum;the fact is we have a big tech gap when it comes to storing digital information for long term 1093223;1428551201;decimation;ok imagine you had a gold-etched lexan 'wallet' 1093224;1428551214;decimation;the problem I see is, how are you gonna protect it from being seen? 1093225;1428551214;nubbins`;now imagine how difficult it would be to take the internal state of /wanting to amputate part of your body/ and convey it 1093226;1428551224;Chillum;the gold would not have to be thick 1093227;1428551225;decimation;put it in bank vault? 1093228;1428551228;trinque;nubbins`: yeah I see your point 1093229;1428551238;trinque;and how that could run away 1093230;1428551256;nubbins`;anyone who claims to have a grasp on the processes behind these decisions is blowing smoke up your ass 1093231;1428551260;trinque;so doing it ends the obsession? or is that the hope? 1093232;1428551260;asciilifeform;fuse a bulb of cloudy synthetic quartz around a gold plate. 1093233;1428551267;asciilifeform;should suffice for a geological epoch or two 1093234;1428551268;trinque;that begins to make a shred of sense 1093235;1428551274;asciilifeform;question being, wtf and why 1093236;1428551276;trinque;not how they get the obsession in the first place, but how it ends 1093237;1428551278;decimation;asciilifeform: exactly 1093238;1428551298;decimation;so you put it in your 'safe deposit box', and the bank employees read 1093239;1428551300;decimation;now what 1093240;1428551304;nubbins`;how they get the obsession, probably 99% of them couldn't tell you 1093241;1428551323;asciilifeform;nubbins`: anyone who claims to have a grasp on the processes behind these decisions is blowing smoke up your ass << the amputation folks do appear to converge on certain threads in their explanations, iirc 1093242;1428551339;trinque;it's gonna end up being some bastard fungi 1093243;1428551342;nubbins`;asciilifeform the most common one i've seen is "the part just felt wrong being there" 1093244;1428551347;asciilifeform;aha 1093245;1428551364;nubbins`;consider the afore-shared "twwly" 1093246;1428551364;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2015#1035299 1093247;1428551364;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2015 02:39:08; decimation: "LAWRENCE Look, Ali. Look! That's me. What colour is it? That's me! And there's nothing I can do about it. ALI A man can do whatever he wants, you said. LAWRENCE He can, but he can't want what he wants.This is the stuff [his flesh] that decides what he wants." 1093248;1428551371;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i suspect that it will turn up being an elementary proprioception quirk 1093249;1428551372;nubbins`;had a fingertip amputated maybe 15 years ago 1093250;1428551381;asciilifeform;sorta like an inverse anosognosia 1093251;1428551384;nubbins`;how many fingertips amputated since? 0 1093252;1428551429;nubbins`;alf you just made me dictionary two words, tyvm 1093253;1428551449;nubbins`;but yes, that sounds quite apt 1093254;1428551466;trinque;hm that could be an extremely annoying feeling 1093255;1428551476;nubbins`;more annoying than tinnitus 1093256;1428551479;trinque;getting all this sensory input from a thing that shouldn't be there 1093257;1428551503;nubbins`;anyway, who can say how a thing gets into a brain? 1093258;1428551537;nubbins`;i have this hazy memory of being extremely sick as a young child, and rolling some very small object, like the size of a grain of sand, between my thumb and forefinger as i writhed in agony 1093259;1428551539;decimation;el Lawrence said it was the flesh that puts it there 1093260;1428551542;nubbins`;maybe 3 years old at the time 1093261;1428551555;nubbins`;this feeling, of rolling the whatever-it-was between my fingers, comes back from time to time 1093262;1428551565;trinque;hm, maybe you picked up something nasty? 1093263;1428551570;asciilifeform;nubbins`: or the american expression, dating at least to civil war, of 'biting the bullet' 1093264;1428551578;nubbins`;no, i mean the sensation of rolling the grain in my fingers 1093265;1428551587;nubbins`;something very queasy about it 1093266;1428551604;trinque;I'm confused; this was an object or just a sensation? 1093267;1428551607;trinque;or you don't know? 1093268;1428551613;nubbins`;i don't even know if it happened 1093269;1428551627;nubbins`;but it's stuck in my head and every once in a while i get a grain of salt stuck to my thumb 1093270;1428551636;nubbins`;and i walk around for a half hour... rolling it 1093271;1428551640;nubbins`;around and around 1093272;1428551654;nubbins`;does this make sense? what is its cause? 1093273;1428551667;nubbins`;why does it make me feel like throwing up sometimes? 1093274;1428551690;nubbins`;brains are strange things 1093275;1428551700;nubbins`;and shit gets stuck in them sometimes 1093276;1428551701;decimation;whatever it is, it ain't an object of reason 1093277;1428551704;trinque;I could see there being disorders of the sort of universe modeling of the brain 1093278;1428551707;asciilifeform;nubbins`: patients at chemotherapeutic clinics are often given weird sodas, etc. to drink, for this reason 1093279;1428551715;asciilifeform;nausea is very quick route to associative memory 1093280;1428551717;trinque;like leakage between whatever can make a grain of rice appear in my mind's eye 1093281;1428551722;asciilifeform;for reasons that don't seem mysterious at all 1093282;1428551723;trinque;and whatever models one on my finger 1093283;1428551742;asciilifeform;(nausea is, 'in the wild,' generally an indicator of having been poisoned) 1093284;1428551796;nubbins`;incidentally, i had a crazy stomach flu a couple years ago and now whenever i get really hungry i feel like barfing 1093285;1428552063;nubbins`;so the roomie that's being kicked out: he puts on a pot of water to boil yesterday 1093286;1428552081;nubbins`;heads upstairs, the water boils, boils, boils down to a quarter-cup before he wanders back down 1093287;1428552104;Chillum;milled stone may be the choice for something to last for 100 years + 1093288;1428552112;nubbins`;says "oh, i forgot", pours his quarter-cup of water into a mug, puts the pot (which has only contained water) into a dirty sink for someone else to wash 1093289;1428552120;Chillum;worked for the Egyptians 1093290;1428552122;nubbins`;and walks away without turning off the stove burner o.O 1093291;1428552128;decimation;Chillum: yeah but what are you gonna write on it? Chillum wuz here? 1093292;1428552148;Chillum;decimation: a bitcoin wallet with 1 bitcoin, think about how much it will be worth in 4000 years! 1093293;1428552163;asciilifeform;1 bitcoin... 1093294;1428552170;asciilifeform;(worth) 1093295;1428552189;decimation;Chillum: and how are you gonna keep some random chump from ambling by and liberating the contents? 1093296;1428552217;Chillum;perhaps I should just write "Chillum was here" 1093297;1428552230;Chillum;seriously though, create a giant pyramid over it 1093298;1428552243;asciilifeform;forget the pyramid, just leave n bits off the key. 1093299;1428552258;Chillum;hehe, make it so that you ahve to brute force it for 4000 years? 1093300;1428552262;decimation;pass them through oral history? 1093301;1428552266;asciilifeform;y years 1093302;1428552282;asciilifeform;what f where f(y) = n, exercise for reader. 1093303;1428552302;Chillum;it would be nice if there was a public/private key system somehow based on time 1093304;1428552308;decimation;asciilifeform: but if your purpose is to send bitcoin to random person, just send it to a random address? 1093305;1428552315;Chillum;like you could encrypt a message that could be decoded until a specific date 1093306;1428552324;asciilifeform;decimation: what the 'purpose' is of this, i will leave to the shrinks. 1093307;1428552326;asciilifeform;of the future. 1093308;1428552332;Chillum;I found this: http://www.timescramble.com/ but that is trusting a 3rd party which is lame 1093309;1428552333;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbrYU0 ) 1093310;1428552350;asciilifeform;Chillum has rediscovered 'slavecoin'. 1093311;1428552355;decimation;heh 1093312;1428552384;nubbins`;where's hari seldon when you need him 1093313;1428552398;Chillum;never heard of slavecoin 1093314;1428552412;asciilifeform;!s slavecoin 1093315;1428552413;assbot;26 results for 'slavecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=slavecoin 1093316;1428552421;asciilifeform;Chillum: it's a #b-a exclusive, afaik. 1093317;1428552424;nubbins`;whoever finds your milled stone will have to get to the end of the first book before he figures out wtf is going on 1093318;1428552466;Chillum;I will have to include a stone version of the block chain 1093319;1428552546;nubbins`;anyway i'm gonna have a jazz smoke and head to bed. if someone gets portatronic pogotronic static-o-matic bitcoind recipe posted to ML by month's end, i'll send you a free hand-bound book 1093320;1428552556;decimation;maybe you could sculpt a facsimile of yourself and cut its fuckkin' hand off 1093321;1428552560;Chillum; jazz smokes are the best smokes 1093322;1428552565;nubbins`;^ 1093323;1428552566;nubbins`;nite 1093324;1428552585;Chillum;I am jazzing right now 1093325;1428552589;asciilifeform;;;ud jazz smoke 1093326;1428552590;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jazz+smoke | jazz smoke isn't defined. Can you define it? * Meaning. Random Word. Ten Words Trending Now. trap queen · swamp donkey · on fleek · sex · dutch rudder ... 1093327;1428552594;asciilifeform;hm. 1093328;1428552597;nubbins`;;;ud jazz cigarette 1093329;1428552598;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jazz+cigarette | A slang term used for Marijuana cigarettes during the 1920's in the United States. Cannabis cigarettes were sold in jazz clubs during this period thus the origin of ... 1093330;1428552600;Chillum;weed ascii, weed 1093331;1428552605;asciilifeform;aha. 1093332;1428552616;nubbins`;one of the more comical euphemisms 1093333;1428552632;nubbins`;on that note... 1093334;1428552632;*;asciilifeform expected it to be something more specific - weed smoked through trombone, or the like 1093335;1428552674;Chillum;that is called trombonging 1093336;1428552676;asciilifeform;obligatory : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VvuOUYe7mI 1093337;1428552677;assbot;Soldiers Smoking Weed During Vietnam War - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDLQJ9 ) 1093338;1428552758;Chillum;shotgunning is based off of trombonging 1093339;1428552768;Chillum;which itself is based on trumptoking 1093340;1428552776;Chillum;which is smoking through a trumpet 1093341;1428552802;Chillum;completely unrelated to harp-hooting though 1093342;1428552907;asciilifeform;how the hell does one smoke a harp ? 1093343;1428552962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00025019 = 7.7059 BTC [-] {2} 1093344;1428552977;decimation;actually if you want to have something amusing stand the test of time, why not make a '10,000 year clock' like those yahoos in texas 1093345;1428553022;asciilifeform;decimation: if they were serious about the 10,000 - they would have parked it on the moon 1093346;1428553042;asciilifeform;rather than down here, where it waits for the scrap dealers of aztlan circa 2080s 1093347;1428553054;decimation;yeah I don't think they are serious, apparently it partially depends on visitors winding it 1093348;1428553097;decimation;is aztlan the 'blade runner'-style distopia? 1093349;1428553104;asciilifeform;decimation: nah 1093350;1428553123;asciilifeform;decimation: more of an extrapolation of present-day mexican turf wars with a pseudohistoric flavour 1093351;1428553148;asciilifeform;(think mussolini's relationship with rome) 1093352;1428553155;decimation;yeah, the movie was naive to think that the chinese would take over before the central americans 1093353;1428553188;asciilifeform;decimation: the traditional picture is each empire getting its 'correct' continent 1093354;1428553214;asciilifeform;'rice kingdom' is a civilization type, after all 1093355;1428553230;asciilifeform;doesn't really work in climates without rice. 1093356;1428553240;asciilifeform;or so went the reasoning. 1093357;1428553298;decimation;certainly geography and civilization are correlated 1093358;1428553743;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/09/you-know-what-doesnt-wash-your-pathetic-attempts-to-teach-the-controversy-thats-what/#comment-14820 1093359;1428553744;assbot;You know what doesn’t wash? Your pathetic attempts to “teach the controversy.” That’s what. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbwj9N ) 1093360;1428553744;asciilifeform;see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063368 1093361;1428553744;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 02:22:03; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with jurisdictions discussed recentlier is deeper than it seems. plenty of usians do not think other places are "real places". 1093362;1428553761;Chillum;harp hooting is when you play a harp while making obnoxious hooting noises at passing women 1093363;1428553889;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: quite so. 1093364;1428553931;pete_dushenski;the world is as we learned it in social studies 1093365;1428553946;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the interesting, and perhaps nonobvious - tidbit - is that these folks -actually- perceive 'american law' and 'god's law' (whether or not they worship any gods) to be one and the same 1093366;1428553952;asciilifeform;it isn't, as far as i can tell, a pretense 1093367;1428553974;pete_dushenski;i have the same sense. 1093368;1428553991;Chillum;amazing what some nutbars believe 1093369;1428553991;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1093370;1428554021;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: though that this thought and sympathy with defectors can co-exist is, to me, baffling 1093371;1428554039;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it is the 'sympathy' of torquemada for the heretic 1093372;1428554044;pete_dushenski;i mean, doesn't someone have to be in the right ? 1093373;1428554055;asciilifeform;ready to hug him, kiss him good-night before lighting the pyre, so long as he repents 1093374;1428554060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00025446 = 13.5373 BTC [+] 1093375;1428554086;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: hm. suppose so eh. 1093376;1428554121;asciilifeform;the american puritans invented a term of art for this, 'love the sinner and hate the sin' 1093377;1428554124;pete_dushenski;and when snowden dies for our sins, we can be free 1093378;1428554159;pete_dushenski;because we are all the sinners 1093379;1428554167;pete_dushenski;we just want other people to atone for it 1093380;1428554193;pete_dushenski;"you fast on yom kippur, ima fucking eat this pizza" 1093381;1428554224;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: at any rate, snowden deserves his share of being pissed on for his failure to say 'yes, if you are a servant of usg i want to see your miserable existence end on headsoff.com' 1093382;1428554233;asciilifeform;'sooner - better' 1093383;1428554267;asciilifeform;in a way he is buying into the inquisitor's proposition. 1093384;1428554277;asciilifeform;by failing to immediately reply with exactly this. 1093385;1428554279;pete_dushenski;of course, but he's awfully timid for that headsoff bizniz 1093386;1428554296;pete_dushenski;he grew up american, never knowing war or hunger 1093387;1428554301;asciilifeform;not as if he were personally asked to work the guillotine 1093388;1428554311;pete_dushenski;but, must still imagine it 1093389;1428554319;pete_dushenski;and its uses and purposes 1093390;1428554320;asciilifeform;but could so much as admit that 'though i am a german, a good nazi is a dead one' 1093391;1428554376;pete_dushenski;but a non-nazi german would've still witnessed abuses and tragedies, first hand, that would make a deskmonkey faint instantly 1093392;1428554398;pete_dushenski;or at least there's a greater probability of this 1093393;1428554410;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it is difficult to imagine that cia employee would have no concept of what usg dishes out to the rest of the planet (as well as own subjects) 1093394;1428554411;pete_dushenski;mebbe your friend the joo was shipped off in a cattle car 1093395;1428554429;asciilifeform;just as an exterminator probably has some idea of what the ant hill experiences 1093396;1428554430;pete_dushenski;pictures don't smell 1093397;1428554443;pete_dushenski;pictures don't say goodbye 1093398;1428554463;pete_dushenski;cia employee has seen pictures, that's it 1093399;1428554479;pete_dushenski;not foot soldiers, these 1093400;1428554485;asciilifeform;thing is, plenty of folks who have never killed so much as a rat, happily howl for blood of this or that enemy 1093401;1428554500;asciilifeform;it is an instinct, like sex 1093402;1428554516;pete_dushenski;well snowden is also "educated" 1093403;1428554525;pete_dushenski;which in usian means "isolated" 1093404;1428554536;asciilifeform;the desire is not really connected with whether you have the talent, or opportunity, to do it 1093405;1428554562;pete_dushenski;ok i can see that 1093406;1428554591;pete_dushenski;still depends on whether you see value in it, or imagine yourself as 'above such barbarity' 1093407;1428554607;pete_dushenski;or 'mebbe there's another way' 1093408;1428554616;pete_dushenski;'a better way' (tm) 1093409;1428554618;asciilifeform;to the extent we even have an accurate picture of a non-fictional man 'snowden' - he isn't particularly clever. 1093410;1428554636;asciilifeform;supposedly, e.g., 'waited to leak because didn't want to sink obama election' etc. 1093411;1428554647;pete_dushenski;lol 1093412;1428554662;pete_dushenski;definitely an utopian idealist streak in there 1093413;1428554664;asciilifeform;very much, going by the public statements, a believer in some idea of a return to a mythical 'old' usg 1093414;1428554670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92373 @ 0.00024603 = 22.7265 BTC [-] {2} 1093415;1428554676;asciilifeform;that didn't 'need' to be killed 1093416;1428554731;pete_dushenski;yup. like your old dog that just needs another surgery to return her to her former puppious glory 1093417;1428554734;asciilifeform;at some point, somebody could publish a compendium of everything herr snowden spoke under actual gpg signature 1093418;1428554744;asciilifeform;(is this a null set ?) 1093419;1428554758;pete_dushenski;i'd be surprised if it was 1093420;1428554758;asciilifeform;because 'we fuck people but do business with keys' (TM) 1093421;1428554804;asciilifeform;in so far as this compendium remains hypothetical - snowden's beliefs are 'angels on a pin' 1093422;1428554877;pete_dushenski;interviews shed some light as to his stances, i think it's pretty clear. 1093423;1428554887;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: did he sign'em ? 1093424;1428554905;pete_dushenski;well, not the videos 1093425;1428554911;asciilifeform;or, for that matter, the documents ? 1093426;1428554932;asciilifeform;(if he had, we wouldn't necessarily know, the greenwald gang mutilated all beyond recognition) 1093427;1428554934;pete_dushenski;greenwald, i ain't, so you'll have to ask him 1093428;1428554942;pete_dushenski;right. 1093429;1428554960;pete_dushenski;but there's no shortage of video about 1093430;1428554990;asciilifeform;since mircea_popescu is asleep, i shall fill in for him, and point out that: not signed - not vouched for by anyone in wot - may as well be a piece of litter on the street. 1093431;1428554995;asciilifeform;a bottle washed up from the sea. 1093432;1428555016;asciilifeform;any and all 'snowden interviews' fall into this class of item 1093433;1428555035;asciilifeform;the message in the bottle may be true. or not 1093434;1428555069;pete_dushenski;well do we even know his fingerprint or have his public key block ? 1093435;1428555093;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: there is some key, somewhere, supposedly associated with the character. 1093436;1428555124;pete_dushenski;http://cryptome.org/2014/01/snowden-booz-pks.htm 1093437;1428555125;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CysrV7 ) 1093438;1428555137;pete_dushenski;^heh, pgp key associated with 'hushmail' acct 1093439;1428555158;pete_dushenski;http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x4DB8A08821B7141F 1093440;1428555159;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0x4db8a08821b7141f " ... ( http://bit.ly/1CysuAy ) 1093441;1428555228;asciilifeform;that key, properly speaking, -is- snowden 1093442;1428555249;asciilifeform;the -other- snowdens are dubious in whatever ways 1093443;1428555273;asciilifeform;the more so, to the extent they appear to diverge from the authentifiable one. 1093444;1428555311;pete_dushenski;i won't really argue that. 1093445;1428555323;pete_dushenski;twould be to argue against maffs 1093446;1428555327;asciilifeform;not sure how many folks are ready for this mental leap 1093447;1428555354;asciilifeform;just as there were people who could not make the leap to 'wire is lifeless and small but can kill elephant' 1093448;1428555383;asciilifeform;but it remains 1093449;1428555396;pete_dushenski;as ever, many will be left behind. 1093450;1428555402;asciilifeform;that - to a historian, or whatever other kind of remote third party - it is keys that 'are people' 1093451;1428555419;asciilifeform;while people, to the extent that they cannot be connected with a key, are just bags of meat. 1093452;1428555473;pete_dushenski;right. w/o keys, we'd just be blobs of flesh and bone, indistinguishable from any other 1093453;1428555485;pete_dushenski;lol 1093454;1428555489;asciilifeform;if anyone recalls, iirc it was in a mircea_popescu article that we find observation that 'to this day the holes in the mains socket have to remain small' 1093455;1428555499;pete_dushenski;such an echo chamber, this place 1093456;1428555518;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the basic concept is due to hanbot's 'shall be delivered' 1093457;1428555540;pete_dushenski;i'm not familiar with said concept. 1093458;1428555547;pete_dushenski;!s shall be delivered 1093459;1428555548;assbot;29 results for 'shall be delivered' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shall+be+delivered 1093460;1428555566;*;pete_dushenski expects bfl-related forum posts 1093461;1428555575;asciilifeform;http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered 1093462;1428555576;assbot;Shall be Delivered | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1CysTmg ) 1093463;1428555586;asciilifeform;^ monumental masterpiece 1093464;1428555591;asciilifeform;in all seriousness. 1093465;1428555611;asciilifeform;a good bit of why i even came to this place 1093466;1428555736;pete_dushenski;huh. fancy that. 1093467;1428555762;asciilifeform;like 'the cold equations', but done -right- 1093468;1428555785;asciilifeform;if i were to live for another twenty whole years, i could wish to produce something equalling this. 1093469;1428555817;pete_dushenski;ah, i remember reading jurov's piece from that competition as well. 1093470;1428555830;pete_dushenski;i'd like to see another such competition one of these days 1093471;1428555960;BingoBoingo;!up eric 1093472;1428557537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79277 @ 0.00024249 = 19.2239 BTC [-] 1093473;1428557741;BingoBoingo;rewatching citizen4 snowden gedanken film. Forgot they showed the NSA facility under construction in Mormon Judea as a backdrop for so many narrations. Awfully close to the interstate. 1093474;1428557875;BingoBoingo;Federal appellate court room also featured. Looks more drab the local county oppression centers. 1093475;1428557982;BingoBoingo;Douche DOJ lawyer in a pedo bow tie 1093476;1428558039;BingoBoingo;Also video judge broadcasting from hospital chapel 1093477;1428558043;BingoBoingo;!up ColinT 1093478;1428558111;BingoBoingo;Jacob Appelbaum setting OWS fuckers up for greater surveillance... 1093479;1428558131;BingoBoingo;Such great lulz in this film for decompression 1093480;1428558651;BingoBoingo;Glen Greenwald opening the conversation with Snowden by trying to write a story about snowden during day 1 of year 0 1093481;1428558818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31072 @ 0.00024074 = 7.4803 BTC [-] 1093482;1428558920;pete_dushenski;;;later tell hanbot those last two paragraphs of 'shall be delivered' ... goosebumps. 1093483;1428558921;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1093484;1428559306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00024328 = 15.8862 BTC [+] {3} 1093485;1428559475;BingoBoingo;TEMPORA 1093486;1428559511;BingoBoingo;And then... Greenwald shuts down his Guardian coworker 1093487;1428559584;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: comment replied, in case you dun check on these things. 1093488;1428559669;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "Magic Mantle of Power" was Snowden's technical term for the red hood 1093489;1428560404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00024639 = 8.2787 BTC [+] 1093490;1428561014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37228 @ 0.00024639 = 9.1726 BTC [+] 1093491;1428561197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80520 @ 0.00025435 = 20.4803 BTC [+] {3} 1093492;1428561396;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: tenure does not exist in canada? << it does. but like a thursday night of caviar and dom p, isn't for everyone. 1093493;1428561454;pete_dushenski;or mebbe it was only open to kokkarinen in city he didn't want to live in. 1093494;1428561469;pete_dushenski;some are more 'mobile' than others 1093495;1428561808;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2015#1092714 << heh. i also received this e-mail 1093496;1428561808;assbot;Logged on 09-04-2015 02:22:03; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/04/coinbase-outgoing-email-hacked/ 1093497;1428561823;*;BingoBoingo did not 1093498;1428562171;pete_dushenski;"Okey dokey, but this smells very much like a conspiracy theory. Especially the action item at the end: "spread the word." If you had ended with "These are the concrete things we all should be doing" then I'd be more sympathetic... assuming those things weren't just "BE EXTRA PARANOID! THEY ARE OUT TO GET US!" " 1093499;1428562197;pete_dushenski;^via chief satoshi dress-up artist : http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/cq5fdfo 1093500;1428562198;assbot;gavinandresen comments on There is a targeted attack on Bitcoin occurring right now, coordinated by national agencies. I know this because I am an insider with prior involvement in a key operation. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H6ILDq ) 1093501;1428562212;pete_dushenski;such lulz, this guy! 1093502;1428562247;ben_vulpes; [03:53] and i walk around for a half hour... rolling it << i chased myself around my brain trying to get a look at myself for an hour or four on acid this one time 1093503;1428562256;pete_dushenski;mebbe when john oliver wears holes in his knee pads, gavin can fill in 1093504;1428562289;pete_dushenski;heya ben_vulpes 1093505;1428562295;ben_vulpes;evening pete_dushenski 1093506;1428562316;pete_dushenski;it goes ? 1093507;1428562320;ben_vulpes;ca va? 1093508;1428562356;ben_vulpes;well, well. 1093509;1428562361;pete_dushenski;lol yup. twas a full, productive day. i'll sleep well tonight 1093510;1428562380;ben_vulpes;lucky you 1093511;1428562437;ben_vulpes;i'll probably stare at the ceiling for an hour or two, thinking about the infinite amount of shit i should be taking care of before clocking out for the con 1093512;1428562453;ben_vulpes;arbeit macht frei 1093513;1428562505;pete_dushenski;ah, you leave so soon ? 1093514;1428562575;ben_vulpes;tuesday morning. some 24 hours of travel, each way. 1093515;1428562586;ben_vulpes;for the serene republic! 1093516;1428562661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00024795 = 4.1904 BTC [-] 1093517;1428562700;ben_vulpes; [04:16] yeah I don't think they are serious, apparently it partially depends on visitors winding it << tbh i find this delightful and entertaining 1093518;1428562719;ben_vulpes;perhaps a whole cult springs up around it someday - "to wind the clock!" 1093519;1428562761;pete_dushenski;it wouldn't be much less travel from here to meat-b-a. timisoara woulda been faster to travel to. 1093520;1428562802;pete_dushenski;how many days are you gone in total ? 1093521;1428562843;ben_vulpes;10. 1093522;1428562864;pete_dushenski;sweetness 1093523;1428562891;ben_vulpes;"lifestyle business", i keep reminding myself while reviewing the books. 1093524;1428562976;pete_dushenski;i have nfi what you're talking about. lol which books be these? 1093525;1428563046;ben_vulpes;i plan to bike around, wander around a few neighborhoods, post up in cafés to get some personal hax in, take tango lessons in the evening, nap, eat steak drink wine, sleep, repeat, con, etc. 1093526;1428563072;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: "books" << the ledgers?! 1093527;1428563095;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mircea_popescu heh maybe i'm not the worst jew after all 1093528;1428563095;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1093529;1428563117;pete_dushenski;lolk stan already took that award anyways 1093530;1428563152;pete_dushenski;but seriously jeez you make 'the ledgers' sound like the fuckin dead sea scrolls 1093531;1428563169;ben_vulpes;bookkeeping's fucking important. 1093532;1428563221;pete_dushenski;well, this'd go back to that 'did the burning of alexandria's library matter or nyot' question 1093533;1428563231;ben_vulpes;how? 1093534;1428563289;pete_dushenski;well in that memories, skills, and ideas, are passed down regardless of whether they're recoverable in written form 2,000 years later 1093535;1428563324;pete_dushenski;people have dozens of other avenues for information distribution and storage other than centralised paper recrods 1093536;1428563329;pete_dushenski;records* 1093537;1428563376;ben_vulpes;no man, when i say "the books" i mean my derpy little company's p/l statements, outgoing bills, outstanding invoices, the like 1093538;1428563413;pete_dushenski;o well then that was a tangent for nothing ;/ 1093539;1428563447;pete_dushenski;!b 8 1093540;1428563447;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1E04301.txt ) 1093541;1428563447;ben_vulpes;point being that some weeks i'm very glad to have structured my life as i've done so. 1093542;1428563471;pete_dushenski;this being one of those weeks ? 1093543;1428563494;ben_vulpes;next tuesday when i punch out for ten days will definitely. 1093544;1428563561;pete_dushenski;mobility is a hell of a drug, and a hell of a luxury 1093545;1428563607;ben_vulpes;heh i actually hate running around 1093546;1428563635;ben_vulpes;but *doing a thing* is different. 1093547;1428563637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42550 @ 0.00024795 = 10.5503 BTC [-] 1093548;1428563711;pete_dushenski;and what a thing it'll be. you boys will have a blast 1093549;1428563936;ben_vulpes;it'll be a trip, that's for sure. 1093550;1428564006;pete_dushenski;and this channel will be awfully quiet without you, mp, and alf! 1093551;1428564028;ben_vulpes;light logs the past few days even 1093552;1428564123;ben_vulpes; [04:58] http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered << shivers and nightmares 1093553;1428564124;assbot;Shall be Delivered | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVBFl9 ) 1093554;1428564142;ben_vulpes;every time, pretty much. 1093555;1428564143;pete_dushenski;quiet trilema too. i imagine that there are many preparations underway for your arrival :) 1093556;1428564209;ben_vulpes;i've been hardening my liver 1093557;1428564253;ben_vulpes;and will doubtless get drunk under the table by asciilifeform 1093558;1428564613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20960 @ 0.00025557 = 5.3567 BTC [+] 1093559;1428564857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00025601 = 2.8673 BTC [+] {2} 1093560;1428564979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87406 @ 0.00025612 = 22.3864 BTC [+] {2} 1093561;1428565223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29722 @ 0.00024795 = 7.3696 BTC [-] 1093562;1428565650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43678 @ 0.00024552 = 10.7238 BTC [-] 1093563;1428566626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5185 @ 0.00024716 = 1.2815 BTC [+] 1093564;1428567114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69600 @ 0.00024598 = 17.1202 BTC [-] {2} 1093565;1428568822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53170 @ 0.00024683 = 13.124 BTC [+] {2} 1093566;1428569005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66310 @ 0.00025667 = 17.0198 BTC [+] {2} 1093567;1428569102;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1093568;1428569106;gribble;Current Blocks: 351360 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1439 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 40 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48126215253.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.66991 1093569;1428569493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00024857 = 16.2316 BTC [-] 1093570;1428570469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00024663 = 9.0267 BTC [-] {2} 1093571;1428571384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00024686 = 4.9495 BTC [+] 1093572;1428571750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00024436 = 8.1983 BTC [-] {3} 1093573;1428572238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00024341 = 11.9027 BTC [-] 1093574;1428572970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.00024925 = 14.1948 BTC [+] 1093575;1428574581;jurov;hello 1093576;1428574590;jurov;mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls 1093577;1428574609;mats;http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/572213/microsoft-creates-container-windows heh 1093578;1428574611;assbot;Microsoft creates a container for Windows - Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1PncNGg ) 1093579;1428575489;davout;"Microsoft creates a container for Windows, reinvents toilet bowl" 1093580;1428575563;mats;this is a bad idea and so is ntoskrnl support for docker 1093581;1428575959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.0002572 = 3.858 BTC [+] 1093582;1428576020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 293850 @ 0.00026252 = 77.1415 BTC [+] {6} 1093583;1428576813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.0002433 = 21.0455 BTC [-] {2} 1093584;1428578094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84150 @ 0.0002507 = 21.0964 BTC [+] {2} 1093585;1428579253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66350 @ 0.00026549 = 17.6153 BTC [+] 1093586;1428580778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61250 @ 0.00026457 = 16.2049 BTC [-] 1093587;1428580852;funkenstein_;this guy wrote a couple papers over a year ago, claiming vulns in mining 1093588;1428580861;funkenstein_;arxiv.org/abs/1311.0243 and arxiv.org/abs/1411.7099 1093589;1428580873;funkenstein_;totally bogus 1093590;1428580889;funkenstein_;if any of you care i can write it up 1093591;1428581059;fluffypony;funkenstein_: the game theoretic Nash Equilibrium stuff isn't bogus, as far as I can see 1093592;1428581113;Adlai;what is there to write about it, at this point, beyond "no mining pool operator is honest enough to publicly disclose their selfish mining hashrate allocation"? 1093593;1428581115;fluffypony;it is in the best interest of larger mining pools to attack smaller ones, for the most part, and even to attack each other (as long as it isn't a matter of mutually assured destruction) 1093594;1428581116;funkenstein_;i'm not saying game theory is bogus, but their analysis of the return based on the so-called attack 1093595;1428581144;fluffypony;oh I haven't looked at their specific data, just what they were generally positing 1093596;1428581200;funkenstein_;the "selfish mining" suggests that not broadcasting a found block could somehow help you 1093597;1428581205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70900 @ 0.00026742 = 18.9601 BTC [+] {4} 1093598;1428581242;funkenstein_;the other one suggests that mining for a pool and throwing away found blocks could somehow help you 1093599;1428581330;Adlai;it helps you by hurting your enemy worse than it hurts you, for certain ratios between your total available hashpower, your selfish-allocated-hashpower, and the hashpower under attack 1093600;1428581434;funkenstein_;Adlai, their formulae are flawed.. they assume total network hashrate -m- is the same even though you are throwing away solved blocks 1093601;1428581477;funkenstein_;also calling somebody an enemy and then hurting them is not rational behavior. looking at your collected BTC is rational behavior. 1093602;1428581527;funkenstein_;throwing money away is hardly an "attack" 1093603;1428581543;mircea_popescu;jurov you still need this ? 1093604;1428581554;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ i'd read it. 1093605;1428581557;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how is it not ? 1093606;1428581560;jurov;what? 1093607;1428581582;mircea_popescu;jurov you highlighted me for withdrawals. you still need it ? 1093608;1428581585;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: how is what not? 1093609;1428581607;jurov;of course. and it's not me, but a coinbr client 1093610;1428581608;mircea_popescu;dude am i the only one with a scrollback or something. how is the "nash equilibrium" stuff sensible. 1093611;1428581609;funkenstein_;ok cool, I'll give it a shot :) 1093612;1428581683;mircea_popescu;even leaving aside the rank nonsense of the particular "analysis". the concept that it is somehow game-theoretic feasible for a one-of-many arrangement to attack everyone is at least bizarre. 1093613;1428581702;mircea_popescu;territoriality developed in living things for instance specifically to try and pierce this problem. 1093614;1428581706;fluffypony;mining pools aren't laid out like that though 1093615;1428581716;mircea_popescu;so model a case for me ? 1093616;1428581722;fluffypony;they're super concentrated 1093617;1428581739;fluffypony;two mining pools that control 25% of the hashrate each, mining pool A and B 1093618;1428581743;mircea_popescu;so ? even if there's only two - the +ev outcome is collaboration not hostility. 1093619;1428581768;mircea_popescu;which is the real risk here : if pools collaborate TOO MUCH we end up with usg 2.0 1093620;1428581775;fluffypony;it is in A's best interest to setup a new pool, C, and then DDoS B so that C's % of the hashrate grows 1093621;1428581813;mircea_popescu;unless there's actually C1...Cn and any of THEIR hash rate grows. 1093622;1428581817;fluffypony;in fact, since the cost of starting and operating a pool is low, and they already have the technical know-how, they can setup a whole hoard of seemingly legitimate pools 1093623;1428581828;fluffypony;and attack all the pools they don't want 1093624;1428581831;mircea_popescu;no, because the cost is principally social. 1093625;1428581847;mircea_popescu;you seem to go on this remnant of forum dumb where the technical costs are relevant in bitcoin. they are not. 1093626;1428581860;mircea_popescu;the barrier to entry to making mpex is not "making the software". same for pools, 1093627;1428581861;fluffypony;but we can't observe the social fabric 1093628;1428581864;funkenstein_;they don't mention DDOS in the papers anyway 1093629;1428581865;mircea_popescu;same for a wallet or anything. 1093630;1428581874;mircea_popescu;fluffypony the fact we can't observe it doesn't allow us to value it at 0. 1093631;1428581877;fluffypony;because the owner of pool A and pool B could be the same 1093632;1428581885;fluffypony;and miners don't care who owns a pool 1093633;1428581887;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ we left aside the idiots in question and are discussing the theoretic theory. 1093634;1428581891;fluffypony;just that it has low latency and is stable 1093635;1428581895;funkenstein_;lol good move 1093636;1428581901;mircea_popescu;miners care deeply who owns a pool. 1093637;1428581908;mircea_popescu;which is why large miners make their own. 1093638;1428581922;*;Adlai is genuinely curious to see whether funkenstein_'s criticism extends beyond "this behavior is not rational, for me and my rational friends" 1093639;1428581934;mircea_popescu;small miners don't care, but this is universal - they don't care about anything, including rig safety. 1093640;1428581974;mircea_popescu;jurov upon inspection seems it went out a while ago ? 1093641;1428581990;Adlai;the observation which seems correct is that they don't account for the drop in difficulty caused by hashpower diverted towards attack... but i'm not certain that this lack of accounting is in their favor 1093642;1428582028;mircea_popescu;which attack is this ? 1093643;1428582075;Adlai;withholding valid blocks from competing pools 1093644;1428582134;mircea_popescu;eh that's been done to death. 1093645;1428582136;funkenstein_;the real equilibrium is to send zero of your miners off to throw their hash rate at nothing 1093646;1428582141;mircea_popescu;the discussion i mean. there's srsly nothing there. 1093647;1428582181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00025801 = 14.1647 BTC [-] 1093648;1428582181;Adlai;afaict, the only people who can credibly back up such a statement are pool operators 1093649;1428582188;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: "miners care deeply who owns a pool" - we're getting into the realm of the anecdotal here, the mining farms I supply ASIC racks to don't care about the people running the pools they use at all, and they don't run their own 1093650;1428582243;fluffypony;you may know some that do 1093651;1428582252;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. derps in reddit care who said god hates faggots. yet people who actually have stuff riding on this don't care about stuff that matters. i dunno, seems rather anecdotal. 1093652;1428582253;Adlai;and they can't credibly say "we're not withholding blocks from competing pools", only "our submitted shares are not suggestive of such an attack being performed against us" 1093653;1428582271;mircea_popescu;Adlai the attack itself, as a model, does not work. 1093654;1428582316;mircea_popescu;fluffypony if miners actually don't care, how do you explain 50btc/btcguild's demise after their collusion with gavin last year ? 1093655;1428582317;jurov;mircea_popescu yes it did, nm 1093656;1428582317;Adlai;it may indeed be a DoS on minds, withholding relevant problems by suggesting subtly irrelevant ones in their stead 1093657;1428582328;mircea_popescu;i mean... they should still be here, riught ? they owned a year ago, right ? what happened ? 1093658;1428582353;mircea_popescu;yet they're gone. 1093659;1428582357;fluffypony;they're not talking about a situation like that 1093660;1428582359;mircea_popescu;someone, somewhere, must have cared. 1093661;1428582372;fluffypony;they're talking about a surreptitious attack where the attacker is not known 1093662;1428582375;mircea_popescu;right. so people don't care unless they do ? 1093663;1428582382;fluffypony;even though, in reality, it is a competing pool 1093664;1428582385;mircea_popescu;right. 1093665;1428582394;fluffypony;Pool A won't attack Pool B and then put out a blog post bragging about it 1093666;1428582452;Adlai;and, miner C could be mining on pool A, and getting paid according to pool A's public stats, but actually be "working" on an attack against pool B 1093667;1428582457;mircea_popescu;fluffypony let's see this. pool A has 25% of hash rate. pool B has 30% of hash rate. there's 45 other pools each with 1%. 1093668;1428582463;mircea_popescu;now, pool A does the following : 1093669;1428582481;mircea_popescu;1. makes 500 new pools. complete with persuasive admins (1 per) who keep social media profiles etc. 1093670;1428582492;mircea_popescu;2. ddos' pool B. as if ddos is not actually a solved problem. 1093671;1428582516;Adlai;ultimately funkenstein_'s article could consist entirely of a link to http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png 1093672;1428582516;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H7kVXW ) 1093673;1428582522;mircea_popescu;as a result of 1 and 2, 50% of people mining on B move, leaving it with 11% hash rate. the resulting 24% difference moves to pools, 90% of which are A's. 1093674;1428582524;mircea_popescu;right ? 1093675;1428582555;mircea_popescu;the cost of 1) is what, 100k ? 500k ? the cost of 2) is what, 100k ? 500k ? the benefit from the gained market share is... what ? 1093676;1428582558;fluffypony;DDoS isn't a solved problem for Stratum, and especially not for mining where latency is of the utmost concern 1093677;1428582560;mircea_popescu;wait, a pool makes virtually no money. 1093678;1428582566;mircea_popescu;this attack makes 0 sense. 1093679;1428582591;mircea_popescu;do you have any idea how long it'd take a pool (just that, nothing else) to make back 100 dollars after server costs ? 1093680;1428582597;fluffypony;miners configure their mining setup with failover pools, but it failsover based on latency as well as a pool being unreachable 1093681;1428582617;fluffypony;so all they have to do is inconvenience the pool and miners will failover 1093682;1428582625;mircea_popescu;so 1093683;1428582651;Adlai;why is ddos an issue here? this attack is not a ddos 1093684;1428582657;mircea_popescu;Adlai the "withholding" thing is idiocy of prime order. it existe,d historically (ie, cca 2011) and was a problem for early pools. but it was SHARE withholding, not block withholding. it was fixed meanwhile. 1093685;1428582672;fluffypony;also, as I understand it, we're talking about a future time when running a pool *is* more profitable than it is now 1093686;1428582682;mircea_popescu;people became intellectually enamoured with it and keep spouting it everywhere, as a sort of cargo-cult bitcoin "knowledges" 1093687;1428582709;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yes fluffs, in a game theoretic universe where cows are spherical and it rains glass, one could accidentally make a cow snowglobe. 1093688;1428582727;*;fluffypony moooooos 1093689;1428582752;mircea_popescu;and that's my point here : these are discussions of no substance used by reddit dorks to be discussing things. 1093690;1428582775;mircea_popescu;bitcoin equivalent of "did leia really enjoy it" or w/e. 1093691;1428582831;Adlai;the really funny bit from the (second) paper is "This would push miners to join private pools which can verify that their registered miners do not withhold blocks" 1093692;1428582859;Adlai;the only way to _verify_ that your miners haven't withheld blocks, rather than trusting their word for it, is to check those nonces yourself 1093693;1428582894;mircea_popescu;trivially solved with wot anyway. 1093694;1428582902;Adlai;how? 1093695;1428582929;mircea_popescu;because identity being expensive, it's no longer productive to attack. 1093696;1428582931;Adlai;such an attack, properly executed, would be indistinguishable from bad luck 1093697;1428582937;mircea_popescu;orly. 1093698;1428582974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82900 @ 0.00026878 = 22.2819 BTC [+] {3} 1093699;1428582982;mircea_popescu;so i give you nonces 1-100 to hash , and fluffy nonces 101-200. and you report nothing found, and he reports nothing found. and then one day a block on nonce 76 is found and you are forever fucked. 1093700;1428583026;Adlai;"one day"? 1093701;1428583038;mircea_popescu;yes. 1093702;1428583046;Adlai;a when the same merkle root shows up again? 1093703;1428583051;Adlai;as you like to say - mkay. 1093704;1428583059;mircea_popescu;or when i feel like testing some nonce blocks,. 1093705;1428583079;mircea_popescu;which, after all, i can do. 1093706;1428583081;Adlai;sure, but now we're back to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2015#1093692 1093707;1428583081;assbot;Logged on 09-04-2015 12:34:19; Adlai: the only way to _verify_ that your miners haven't withheld blocks, rather than trusting their word for it, is to check those nonces yourself 1093708;1428583105;mircea_popescu;but the problem is solved by a wot. 1093709;1428583133;Adlai;addressed != solvedh 1093710;1428583144;mircea_popescu;which is what this is : inexistent problems that don't exist being misunderstood as existing by people who don't understand how anything works, and then failing to see that even should they exist, the solution also exists. 1093711;1428583218;mircea_popescu;the rub, of course, being the entire "oh but bitcoin is anonymous" 1093712;1428583232;mircea_popescu;no it's not fucking anonymous. it's pseudonymous. different fucking things. identity still exists! 1093713;1428584687;mats;http://tigress.cs.arizona.edu/challenges.html interesting. 1093714;1428584689;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYtod0 ) 1093715;1428584804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75000 @ 0.00026894 = 20.1705 BTC [+] 1093716;1428584816;mircea_popescu;http://www.hitfix.com/comedy/the-terrible-unspoken-implications-of-star-wars-slave-leia << muy butthurt. 1093717;1428584818;assbot;The Terrible Unspoken Implications Of Star Wars Slave Leia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYtJN0 ) 1093718;1428584832;mircea_popescu;fwiw, i had no idea leia is supposed to be anything BUT the slave chick. 1093719;1428584940;mircea_popescu;dude with the article must have had some pretty odd searches in the past. my "google images" for princess leia consists of 20 hits of the woman wearing some sort of white overalls, with the 17th being her in actual atire. 1093720;1428585267;mircea_popescu;ah, finally found the truely iconic max hardcore. http://38.media.tumblr.com/420b56522634f8c1627ed7a7cbbf8aa2/tumblr_nf7a5gTifT1tlw46uo1_500.gif 1093721;1428585269;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYvdXC ) 1093722;1428585353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00026178 = 7.0026 BTC [-] 1093723;1428585364;mircea_popescu;mats 100 bucks ? srsly ? 1093724;1428585430;mats;heh. tacit admission that you can't buy this kinda time either way, imo. 1093725;1428585478;mircea_popescu;"In order to encourage participation we would like to be able to award more substantial prizes. If you would like to donate to this cause, please contact us!" 1093726;1428585487;mircea_popescu;yeah, herp, contact "us". who the fuck are us. 1093727;1428585570;mircea_popescu;mats well, it's training, i gather. trainee pieces aren't either useful or valuable, per se. so you're not really "buying" anything. 1093728;1428586329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97350 @ 0.00026947 = 26.2329 BTC [+] {2} 1093729;1428587366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00026364 = 5.6419 BTC [-] 1093730;1428588391;lobbes;re: withholding blocks. So basically, mircea_popescu, you are saying that anything gained from withholding said blocks would be outweighed by the potential destruction of one's reputation (which is expensive to build)? 1093731;1428588394;lobbes;but to Adlai's point, could there not be one derp out there who 'withholds' enough until that 'one day' to make it worth it (in his eyes)? 1093732;1428588408;lobbes;perhaps I am missing something 1093733;1428588564;Adlai;if miners and pool operators choose to conduct such attacks against eachother (note that the attacks are against eachother, not against "bitcoin"), they can be fought... the attack becomes more expensive, and mining becomes more expensive, due to the defense 1093734;1428588618;Adlai;with "the defense" taking some form such as a pool operator negrating a miner who has an unreasonable dropoff of share-finding luck just below the difficulty threshhold 1093735;1428588647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80950 @ 0.00027136 = 21.9666 BTC [+] {2} 1093736;1428588758;lobbes;hmm, okay that makes sense 1093737;1428588820;Adlai;this is expensive for the pool operator because he needs to send redundant work units to various miners, to get them checking eachother 1093738;1428589042;lobbes;so the 'attacker' is disincentivized due to this rising cost, and the fact that 'statistically' he is being outed by not finding his shares at the expected rate (thus, reputation suffers) 1093739;1428589276;danielpbarron;height=318707 vs height=222108 1093740;1428589796;bitstein;https://www.stellar.org/blog/stellar-consensus-protocol-proof-code/ "I'm not dead yet!" 1093741;1428589798;assbot;Stellar Consensus Protocol: Proof and Code - Stellar ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYIT4V ) 1093742;1428589813;bitstein;"Is the new system live? Not yet." 1093743;1428590125;bitstein;Still cracks me up: "There are at least 177 instances in which ripple and stellar’s code matched up. In its haste to get its currency established, Stellar simply copied ripple’s open-source code but evidently its search-and-replace missed many instances where the code still says 'ripple.'" http://observer.com/2015/02/the-race-to-replace-bitcoin/ 1093744;1428590126;assbot;The Race to Replace Bitcoin | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeMXpD ) 1093745;1428590315;Chillum;my new computer is so quiet it seems like something is missing 1093746;1428590457;mats;such incompetence. how hard is it to use sed? 1093747;1428590467;lobbes;'but evidently its search-and-replace missed many instances where the code still says 'ripple.' < l0l 1093748;1428590786;Adlai;according to the papers' model: there is no incentive to be the first attacker, but there is incentive to be the Nth, N+1st, etc 1093749;1428590803;Adlai;painting this picture of a mining commons on the brink of tragedy 1093750;1428590815;Adlai;concern trolling in a fancy typeface 1093751;1428591498;bitstein;At SXSW, I snuck into a Bitcoin 2.0 panel Jed McCaleb was on. During the Q&A I got up and asked, “Last December the Stellar blog had a post called ‘Safety, liveness and fault tolerance—the consensus choices’ that described how there was a fork in the ledger and subsequently, Stellar had essentially collapsed into a centralized system. Can you elaborate on what happened and why people should trust Stellar in its aftermath?” He 1093752;1428591498;bitstein; gave a long answer describing the fork and giving lip service to this new consensus mechanism in the works, but failed to address the second part. So before they moved on, I followed up, “But right now, Stellar is a centralized system?” He begrudgingly responded, “It runs on one node, yes.” After my question they all went right on back to talking about how awful centralization is and how great the decentralized future is. 1093753;1428591880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00027201 = 6.093 BTC [+] 1093754;1428592502;mats;i'm confused as to Kaminsky's role in all this 1093755;1428592518;mats;conned or what? lent his name for a buck to some trash? 1093756;1428593801;funkenstein_;did kaminsky do anything other than allow his name listed as technical advisor? 1093757;1428594503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75200 @ 0.00026971 = 20.2822 BTC [-] {2} 1093758;1428594991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00026797 = 4.0196 BTC [-] 1093759;1428595656;mats;dunno. 1093760;1428595664;mats;http://io.smashthestack.org/me 1093761;1428595665;assbot;Intel ME huffman dictionaries - Unhuffme v2.3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gtitfo ) 1093762;1428595906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00027252 = 15.8062 BTC [+] 1093763;1428596578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00026797 = 1.9294 BTC [-] 1093764;1428596884;chetty;http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2zh3ako&s=8 1093765;1428596886;assbot;Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1FFqsDk ) 1093766;1428597065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34584 @ 0.00026507 = 9.1672 BTC [-] 1093767;1428597124;ben_vulpes;huehuehuehu 1093768;1428597837;[]bot;Bet placed: 3.5 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before August 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1131/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.21237 BTC. Current weight: 82,570. 1093769;1428597858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86035 @ 0.00026076 = 22.4345 BTC [-] {3} 1093770;1428598054;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.166 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.79172615 BTC. Current weight: 86,260. 1093771;1428600237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8417 @ 0.00025739 = 2.1665 BTC [-] 1093772;1428600359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207700 @ 0.00025817 = 53.6219 BTC [+] {3} 1093773;1428601091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82813 @ 0.00025446 = 21.0726 BTC [-] {3} 1093774;1428601640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70600 @ 0.00024972 = 17.6302 BTC [-] 1093775;1428601945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55200 @ 0.00026507 = 14.6319 BTC [+] 1093776;1428602067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57200 @ 0.00026507 = 15.162 BTC [+] 1093777;1428602371;mircea_popescu;lobbes no dude, i am saying about 50 other things. 1093778;1428602385;mircea_popescu;model this attack and i'll show you one thin that's wrong with it enough to sink it. 1093779;1428602399;mircea_popescu;i'm never going to be able to show you ALL the things that are wrong wqith it, being that it's nonsense. 1093780;1428602431;mircea_popescu;you're like the guy going "so mp you're saying the perpetuum mobile could not exist because X ?" sure, x if you want it. 1093781;1428602484;funkenstein_;http://vixra.org/abs/1504.0072 <-- my writeup from earlier convo 1093782;1428602485;assbot;viXra.org e-Print archive, viXra:1504.0072, “The Majority is Enough” a Rebuttal of Two Proposed Vulnerabilities of Bitcoin Mining ... ( http://bit.ly/1aqXbRI ) 1093783;1428602530;mircea_popescu;bitstein the observer makes the valid code replace point, but STILL names its article "the race to replace bitcoin". as fucking if. "the race to waste imbecile capitalist money, the new hot valley term for what was once known as a venture capitalist" was radioactive or something. 1093784;1428602551;mircea_popescu; such incompetence. how hard is it to use sed? << real muppets use excel. 1093785;1428602565;mircea_popescu; concern trolling in a fancy typeface << word. 1093786;1428602624;mircea_popescu; conned or what? lent his name for a buck to some trash? << intelligent people have a lot of trouble avoiding locklin's mistake. 1093787;1428602656;mircea_popescu;da fuck is vixra. 1093788;1428602682;funkenstein_;arxiv backwards 1093789;1428602683;mircea_popescu;and im not reading a pdf. what the fuck funkenstein_ . 1093790;1428602699;funkenstein_;lol i throw it on a blog then 1093791;1428602705;mircea_popescu;dude...srsly. a walled garden/proprietary platform is bad in and of itself. it's not bad only if it becomes big. 1093792;1428602716;mircea_popescu;the difference between this stupid diqus shit and just writing for gawker is 0. 1093793;1428602784;mircea_popescu;own your content, AND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. you don't need someone else deciding anything whatsoever. not what url to use. not when to "put up a warning page". not. ANYTHING. 1093794;1428602807;funkenstein_;hmm i hadn't thought of it like that 1093795;1428602823;mircea_popescu;you don't want me to think "hey that was a great piece, i wonder IF ARXIV ORG HAS MORE" 1093796;1428602832;mircea_popescu;fuck them. you want me to tihnk "i wonder if you have more" 1093797;1428602848;mircea_popescu;you know ellison ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE << watch this. 1093798;1428602850;assbot;Harlan Ellison -- Pay the Writer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1aqYKPA ) 1093799;1428602860;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1093800;1428603030;ascii_field;re: the whole pdf thing ... 1093801;1428603041;ascii_field;it would help if there were actually a proper replacement for it. 1093802;1428603058;ascii_field;(html plus jpegs are not one) 1093803;1428603068;mircea_popescu;then people wonder about kaminsky. EXACT SAME THING. you lot have been so mentally stunted by the stupid welfare state, you do this sort of shit. "oh, i wonder if arxiv backwards . org paid funkenstein_ anything". no dude, they didn't, he's just silly like that. like everyone in that country. 1093804;1428603082;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "replacement" in what sense ? 1093805;1428603104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35002 @ 0.00024832 = 8.6917 BTC [-] 1093806;1428603143;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: in the sense of accurate and resolution-independent mapping to flattened dead tree 1093807;1428603225;funkenstein_;ascii_field how about .ps 1093808;1428603242;ascii_field;funkenstein_: pdf is more or less ps plus a bit of header 1093809;1428603287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24292 @ 0.00026686 = 6.4826 BTC [+] {2} 1093810;1428603311;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu, their (arxiv / vixra) competion is journals that charge the author per page 1093811;1428603653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00024832 = 5.6617 BTC [-] 1093812;1428604570;mircea_popescu;!up Guest63251 1093813;1428604604;mircea_popescu;no dude, that's how *they hope to make money*. later on. once "we" and "contact us" have got enough of this fuzzy baseless trust made by appealing to a certain naivity of the intelligent. 1093814;1428604629;mircea_popescu;"o look, they're hippy dippy cool and got cat pictures". what "they" ? and it's not THEIR fucking cat, either. 1093815;1428604668;ascii_field;plankton filter feeders. 1093816;1428604683;mircea_popescu;'cause that's all they know, facebook model. pretend like "we" are interacting with the stakeholders but stay anonymous, and then if/when this gets big enough, assert a new identity and whoopdeedoo, claim you're worth a billion. 1093817;1428604703;mircea_popescu;"because people follow us". well fuck you, back when YOU were anonymous, joe schmoe and lucy lue followed you. not "people". 1093818;1428604730;mircea_popescu;now that you wish to be facebook inc, suddenly *they* gotta be you know "people", to take the place of the vague "we". 1093819;1428604747;mircea_popescu;oldest scam in the book, this identity transfer. keep your identity, it's yours. 1093820;1428604760;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, it's not only the most valuable thing you'll ever have - it's outright the only one. 1093821;1428604766;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1093822;1428604800;mircea_popescu;ascii_field how about forget .ps which is fine, and .tex 1093823;1428604862;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aha lol 'tabletrons' etc. viewer gadgets expected to render .tex now ? 1093824;1428604886;mircea_popescu;the failure of widgets is a problem of the widgetmaker. do not ask me to solve it till i market a widget. 1093825;1428604888;ascii_field;and, to use gnu's terminology, .tex is often 'not the preferred format for modification' - as in, it is frequently machine-generated 1093826;1428604899;mircea_popescu;ascii_field dude, pdf is not for modification either 1093827;1428604903;mircea_popescu;you wanna modify it, use a txt 1093828;1428604908;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you are proposing equivalent of selling raw crude at the petrol station 1093829;1428604920;mircea_popescu;pdfs are ALWAYS machine generate.d 1093830;1428604924;mircea_popescu;what the fuck you wrote one by hand ?! 1093831;1428604975;Chillum;Portable Defence Failure 1093832;1428604977;ascii_field;.tex plus illustrations, whatever perl crud etc. was used to munge data into figures, possible latex preprocessing, etc. sometimes takes GB of ram and hour of fast cpu 1093833;1428604988;ascii_field;at least for academic papers, or high res scans 1093834;1428604994;ascii_field;to go to raster of given res, that is 1093835;1428605014;mircea_popescu;so does pdf, in same conditions. except you gotta use either a windows bundle or else more perl crud munged together. 1093836;1428605025;ascii_field;-to- pdf 1093837;1428605036;mircea_popescu;right 1093838;1428605064;ascii_field;but pointing out that asking printer or tablet makers to build machines which can swallow .tex is a nonstarter 1093839;1428605081;mircea_popescu;every printer i ever saw ate tex wtf. 1093840;1428605085;mircea_popescu;you mean like a desktop ? 1093841;1428605095;ascii_field;-unprocessed- tex 1093842;1428605120;ascii_field;this is quite like proposing that bitcoind be built -on- the pogo. 1093843;1428605123;mircea_popescu;so because -unprocessed- pdf doesn't actually exist you figure this is an argument ? 1093844;1428605126;ascii_field;at every boot. 1093845;1428605173;ascii_field;i actually do not like pdf, for various reasons, some of which overlap with mircea_popescu's. i prefer a wavelet-compressed format, 'djvu' 1093846;1428605193;ascii_field;but don't try to say 'you should like scrolling and pixellated graphics, forget about paper and author-specified pagination' 1093847;1428605197;ascii_field;because fuck no. 1093848;1428605212;mircea_popescu;i dunno im saying this. 1093849;1428605239;ascii_field;the 'we want everything in www-readable plain text' concept sorta implies. 1093850;1428605239;mircea_popescu;but fwiw, my experience as an actual author is that the html format is WAY better than the pdf format for the web, which is why trilema is not delivered in pdfs. 1093851;1428605249;mircea_popescu;now, one's experience may vary, i've not printed a book in a decade, 1093852;1428605264;mircea_popescu;but it still seems to me a narrow corner case notrly contemplated here. 1093853;1428605288;ascii_field;www works fine for text and the occasional bitmap 1093854;1428605335;ascii_field;but there are folks who read maths, or blueprints, or scanned historical documents. 1093855;1428605408;mircea_popescu;actually trilema as-is works better for ALL of these than pdf. 1093856;1428605421;ascii_field;wut 1093857;1428605422;mircea_popescu;me being a folk who reads maths, and historeical documents. even the original blueprint. 1093858;1428605479;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/come-see-me-dream-math/ ? or what part specifically ? 1093859;1428605479;assbot;Come see me dream math. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZznhI ) 1093860;1428605486;ascii_field;i insist on these to be either on a) paper b) device with dimensions and pixel density of paper, which i own - but in both cases - retaining the original pagination 1093861;1428605490;ascii_field;and fucking -hate- scrolling 1093862;1428605508;mircea_popescu;you hate scrolling ? 1093863;1428605513;ascii_field;aha 1093864;1428605520;mircea_popescu;yeah, well there it is. 1093865;1428605536;mircea_popescu;i grant you, if you hate scrolling you'll have to engage in strange to compensate. 1093866;1428605541;ascii_field;i like moving eyeballs in y as well as x axis 1093867;1428605544;ascii_field;this is normal! 1093868;1428605551;mircea_popescu;normal ? 1093869;1428605565;ascii_field;x-only is like seeing life through a tank periscope 1093870;1428605572;mircea_popescu;as in "what everyone does" normal or as in "what should be done" normative-normal ? 1093871;1428605580;ascii_field;as in what the meat likes 1093872;1428605584;ascii_field;because of how it was shaped 1093873;1428605587;mircea_popescu;your meat knows ? 1093874;1428605601;ascii_field;sorta like mircea_popescu's insistence on 1cm tall characters 1093875;1428605607;ascii_field;the meat - otherwise rebells 1093876;1428605610;mircea_popescu;do you also hate inequal pixel sizes ? like, you know, is your monitor square ? 1093877;1428605618;ben_vulpes;yeah mircea_popescu how does your meat know that 1cm? 1093878;1428605630;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: would love a square display with square pixels 1093879;1428605637;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes at least my thing's consistent. 1093880;1428605657;ben_vulpes;consistently arbitrary. 1093881;1428605659;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but do you have one ? 1093882;1428605665;ascii_field;nope 1093883;1428605672;mircea_popescu;because if you don't, seems to me you're looking through that tank periscope anyway 1093884;1428605681;mircea_popescu;given that people's horiz precision is what, 3x their vert precision. 1093885;1428605685;mircea_popescu;also ... normal. 1093886;1428605711;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what i do have is 4 lcd laid out in such a way as to fill my field of vision 1093887;1428605718;ascii_field;so no, no periscope. 1093888;1428605721;mircea_popescu;lol. 1093889;1428605733;mircea_popescu;but the pixels themselves! every inch is 100 sideways and 40 vertically. 1093890;1428605752;ascii_field;though out here i am in a 'tank', yes 1093891;1428605828;mircea_popescu;anyway. i don't hate scrolling. i hate the situation where my field is fixed. 1093892;1428605837;mircea_popescu;scrolling provides a hook into endlessness. 1093893;1428605839;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the shape of the pixels is considerably less interesting if you have ones sufficiently small to enable affine transforms of whatever kind you like, without visible distortion 1093894;1428605842;mircea_popescu;and it's how i get through a million words a day. 1093895;1428605878;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you're eliding the point. the fact that your misshapen pixels allow you to not see the distortion means your meat is made to look through a tank periscope in the first place. 1093896;1428605908;mircea_popescu;if it weren't, the square eye wouldn't put 3x more focus on horiz than it puts on vert sync. 1093897;1428605911;ascii_field;i suppose you could also say that i scroll, but simply prefer to do it with eyes rather than fingers 1093898;1428605947;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the problem is that you always have a finite workspace. 1093899;1428605970;ascii_field;re: pagination - author-controlled pagination, i find, is often valuable information 1093900;1428605983;mircea_popescu;i find the very concept of "page" retarded. 1093901;1428605988;ascii_field;think of every time you have to wiggle the y axis to fit a figure on the display 1093902;1428606032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00025643 = 7.1544 BTC [+] 1093903;1428606286;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i find reading anything - other than plain text - not designed with a particular viewport geometry in mind - physically painful. 1093904;1428606308;ascii_field;like an ill-fitting set of clothing 1093905;1428606315;ascii_field;designed for no particular body 1093906;1428606337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00027062 = 7.9833 BTC [+] 1093907;1428606340;mircea_popescu;well don't look at the sky then. 1093908;1428606361;*;ascii_field does not often read the sky 1093909;1428606377;mircea_popescu;for this reason ? 1093910;1428606395;mircea_popescu;and is your underwear bespoke ? 1093911;1428606398;ascii_field;no, because not much of an astronomer these days 1093912;1428606412;mircea_popescu;it'd seem to me it'd be more painful to have panties made for no particular cock than you know, a shirt. 1093913;1428606413;ascii_field;underwear << i would if i could (TM) 1093914;1428606436;mircea_popescu;well... my tailor here'd prolly do it. it'd be weird as all fuck... but hey. 1093915;1428606451;mircea_popescu;it never occured to me to ask for tailored undies. 1093916;1428606478;*;ascii_field would wear tailored fucking socks if he could 1093917;1428606504;mircea_popescu;i srsly couldn't be bothered. 1093918;1428606535;ascii_field;tailors ought to use 3d scanner, imho 1093919;1428606538;ascii_field;but afaik none do 1093920;1428606545;ascii_field;then again what do i know of tailors 1093921;1428606547;mircea_popescu;stupid idea. 1093922;1428606550;ascii_field;less than i know of surgeons 1093923;1428606556;mircea_popescu;tailor tailors for the body, it's sinnewy depths, not for the skinshape. 1093924;1428606572;mircea_popescu;you'd have to sonar it. 1093925;1428606576;ascii_field;so then. 1093926;1428606577;ascii_field;sonar. 1093927;1428606588;mircea_popescu;assbot disapproves. 1093928;1428606589;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1093929;1428606593;ascii_field;l0l 1093930;1428606594;ascii_field;hell, nmr it 1093931;1428606641;mircea_popescu;yeah, so instead of one very competent craftsman, 1093932;1428606651;mircea_popescu;have a bunch of techs and mandatory clothing insurance. 1093933;1428606691;ascii_field;l0l! 1093934;1428606731;ascii_field;!s tuba compressor 1093935;1428606732;assbot;2 results for 'tuba compressor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tuba+compressor 1093936;1428606887;ascii_field;re: socks: i am reminded of dan mocsny's piece on how very few people can give honest answer to the question of whether they want, e.g., a harem - because they don't have the option in menu 1093937;1428606908;ascii_field;perhaps i -wouldn't- wear tailored socks, in practice 1093938;1428606911;mircea_popescu;"option" ? in "menu" ?! 1093939;1428606920;mircea_popescu;yeah, you wouldn't. 1093940;1428606954;ascii_field;but recall the thirsty man in the desert who 'could drink a river' 1093941;1428607058;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1093942;1428607067;mircea_popescu;anyway, who the fuck gets women off a menu 1093943;1428607091;mircea_popescu;you know the harem is not like, a block of cheese. it's an abstract name given to a complex social reality. 1093944;1428607100;chetty;ascii_field, also know as can't think outside the box 1093945;1428607120;mircea_popescu;like you know, "an empire". yes the empire may sink, but usually not in water. 1093946;1428607152;ascii_field;chetty: not that one cannot use imagination. but it is folly to say 'i would not want atomic dirigible' unless that choice is actually there, like the decision of whether to buy a laser printer 1093947;1428607164;mircea_popescu;chetty lol @those tomatoes. 1093948;1428607206;mircea_popescu;ascii_field note that i wasn't commenting on whether i or anyone else would or not would want x. merely on how much sense x makes, given other things. 1093949;1428607210;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: who the fuck gets women off a menu << the fella with an already-assembled harem, such as mircea_popescu ? 1093950;1428607215;mircea_popescu;maybe you want an ak with a curved barrel, for all i care. 1093951;1428607221;mircea_popescu;ascii_field mno. 1093952;1428607242;ascii_field;ak with a curved barrel << krummlauf ! 1093953;1428607248;mircea_popescu;yeah the nazis had something 1093954;1428607253;mircea_popescu;stupid idea, but hey, they did have it. 1093955;1428607257;ascii_field;ultra-famous 1093956;1428607270;ascii_field;and not obviously a bad idea under the circumstances 1093957;1428607276;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1093958;1428607285;mircea_popescu;obviously a bad idea, just not in their circumstances. 1093959;1428607304;mircea_popescu;"this is the sort of item you only ever want because you fucked something else up" 1093960;1428607307;mircea_popescu;widely seen in computing. 1093961;1428607314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 369 @ 0.01000002 = 3.69 BTC [-] {2} 1093962;1428607315;ascii_field;!s alien problem 1093963;1428607316;assbot;2 results for 'alien problem' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=alien+problem 1093964;1428607339;mircea_popescu;and where's that pic nubbins put in, with the "you do not want an adaptor, you think you do becaus you fucked up the light arrangement" 1093965;1428607354;ascii_field;the mains cords, aha 1093966;1428607358;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1093967;1428607411;ascii_field;(iirc britain had a periscopic rifle sight/trigger stick in ww1, for roughly same problem) 1093968;1428607894;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3NeAZG_tgI << this guy is such a ho. 1093969;1428607895;assbot;Author and Screenwriter Harlan Ellison Rants about Youth and Publishing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8t6mY ) 1093970;1428607986;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ellison is interesting for another reason. he is the undisputed emperor of 'wrote a few good stories in the '50s, famous for nothing in particular since'; loudly rants demanding eternal copyright because 'creaaaatorz have riiiiiightz!!111!!' 1093971;1428608000;mircea_popescu;remind me, what's his relation to scientologee ? 1093972;1428608006;ascii_field;mark halperin is another 1093973;1428608067;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: supposedly ellison witnessed the legendary bet b/w heinlein and hubbard. but afaik that's all.. 1093974;1428608068;mircea_popescu;kinda goes with the woman's complaints about the what was it, hugo award ? 1093975;1428608114;mircea_popescu;i recall when i was a kid, some of the first books printed in shiny covers etc were various sf works, which is how i even ended up owning some (ender's game, dune, other americas, crap like that) - they looked good. 1093976;1428608121;mircea_popescu;and they all sported various awards, nebula, hugo, whatever. 1093977;1428608124;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: that was more of a 'how dare they make an upvote ring, that's -ours- to do' 1093978;1428608140;mircea_popescu;i was suspicious at the time. had an argument with other teens, with me going "that's prolly just some shit they made up for the cover" 1093979;1428608157;mircea_popescu;was a big scandal in the tiny cup. evnetually tho... lo! i am vindicated. 1093980;1428608207;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: hugo is voted on, iirc, by folks who go to (or at least buy ticket to...) 'worldcon' - an sf event attended mainly by writers (in practice, the wannabees i spoke of earlier) 1093981;1428608225;mircea_popescu;this doesn't qualify it for "some shit they made up for the cover" ? 1093982;1428608264;ascii_field;it was made up long ago, when the american writers all knew one another 1093983;1428608304;mircea_popescu;right. it's basically if they start putting on "as seen in bash.bitcoin-assets.org" on shit long after we all left. 1093984;1428608316;mircea_popescu;dude... it was a joke when we made it. 1093985;1428608329;ascii_field;sorta like that 1093986;1428608360;mircea_popescu;naggum's point re fields applies eminently. 1093987;1428608374;chetty;http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_27879687/victor-davis-hanson-modern-american-universities-are-failing 1093988;1428608375;assbot;Victor Davis Hanson: Modern American universities are failing on four counts - San Jose Mercury News ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8u7eU ) 1093989;1428608375;mircea_popescu;sf in the 50s was a spare cycle endeavour of the people who at the time didn't have bbs yet. 1093990;1428608406;chetty;my amazement on where that got published 1093991;1428608435;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1093992;1428608442;mircea_popescu;chetty what's mercurynews ? 1093993;1428608450;ascii_field;'Colleges need to publicize the employment rates of recent graduates and the percentage of students who complete their degrees so that strapped parents can do cost-benefit analyses like they do with any other major cash investment.' << anyone recall the law school debacle ? 1093994;1428608472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 262594 @ 0.000272 = 71.4256 BTC [+] {6} 1093995;1428608482;ascii_field;(a great many - published such figures; turned out, to no one's surprise, fabricated wholesale; then somehow entire brouhaha magicked away ) 1093996;1428608492;chetty;well its San Jose, the heart of soicalism country 1093997;1428608532;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nobody goes to jail for THAT kinda fraud right ? 1093998;1428608533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46359 @ 0.00026574 = 12.3194 BTC [-] {2} 1093999;1428608540;mircea_popescu;fraud that makes the consumer "consume" is a-ok 1094000;1428608594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00025544 = 7.0246 BTC [-] 1094001;1428608596;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not only this, but feeds the academic mandarin class 1094002;1428608638;ascii_field;who get to not only avoid starvation but live like civilized people (naturally, referring to the winners in the tournament market, not the chinese grad students here) 1094003;1428608648;ascii_field;regardless of whatever result metric 1094004;1428608662;ascii_field;because they, approximately, hold 'title of nobility' in usa. 1094005;1428608716;ascii_field;performance metrics, in usa, are for the worker bees. 1094006;1428608756;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9AGVARpqdk << btw, re why is he famous etc. 1094007;1428608758;assbot;Harlan Ellison & Robin Williams discuss LRH - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8uQfW ) 1094008;1428608872;*;ascii_field recalls the eternal 'the late cooper's daughter, in her december.. why was the famous? who could remember?' 1094009;1428608907;mircea_popescu;heh. he never shat a plum. 1094010;1428608946;ascii_field;(for those who missed, http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1181853joe_sacco_buffoons_tale.png << megaclassic) 1094011;1428608947;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8v7zy ) 1094012;1428608966;ascii_field;but no, ellison only shat a few basic prunes. 1094013;1428608978;ascii_field;but was 'friends with them all' and ended up in the usa sf wot. 1094014;1428608987;mircea_popescu;in other news, is Casey McKinnon really a man ? 1094015;1428609009;ascii_field;wut 1094016;1428609042;mircea_popescu;some canadian chick. 1094017;1428609069;ascii_field;http://www.caseymckinnon.com << that one ? 1094018;1428609070;assbot;Casey McKinnon ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8vnP2 ) 1094019;1428609135;mircea_popescu;yea 1094020;1428609142;ascii_field;sooner i am a dog. 1094021;1428609237;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Casey_McKinnon.jpg ? 1094022;1428609238;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8vI49 ) 1094023;1428609254;mircea_popescu;really fucking weird face. 1094024;1428609271;*;ascii_field does not see what is odd here 1094025;1428609304;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to ellison, guy apparently wrote a shitton. i suppose it's mostly that we don't give a shit about their pulpy universes. 1094026;1428609309;ascii_field;he did 1094027;1428609314;ascii_field;i happen to own a copy of most of it 1094028;1428609315;mircea_popescu;which makes it seem like he did nothing. 1094029;1428609322;mircea_popescu;o, really ? 1094030;1428609327;ascii_field;the bulk - is quite unreadable 1094031;1428609351;ascii_field;he was, imho, of a particular school of writing where threw shit at a wall hoping that some would stick 1094032;1428609356;ascii_field;possibly with the help of lsd etc 1094033;1428609359;ascii_field;some - did stick 1094034;1428609369;ascii_field;but he persisted in letting his snr fall, fall... 1094035;1428609376;mircea_popescu;i think they all did that, in the olden penny a word days 1094036;1428609387;ascii_field;some with more lsd, some with less 1094037;1428609398;mircea_popescu;"readers" meant "people more than willing to root through the shit, because literacy is new and printing only last year became affordable" 1094038;1428609424;mircea_popescu;his nostalgia is misplaced. the first time they came up with synthetic fibers people wore them out of pride. "look at me, i am one of those withthe industry" 1094039;1428609440;mircea_popescu;as they cheapened and broadened they took their proper place. not because "there aren't real wearers anymore" 1094040;1428609444;mircea_popescu;but because they always sucked. 1094041;1428609462;mircea_popescu;pulp was never literature. it seemed like it, because of the nonsenser that was early 19th century new york. 1094042;1428609463;ascii_field;at any rate, you will find that folks obsessed with 'eternal copyright' etc. are invariably 'smallinteger-hit wonders' 1094043;1428609472;mircea_popescu;obviosuly. 1094044;1428609492;ascii_field;'my fucking lottery ticket should be worth $infinity' 1094045;1428609503;mircea_popescu;nah, not what's going on there imo. 1094046;1428609510;mircea_popescu;more like "i have so little, please don't make it less." 1094047;1428609549;mircea_popescu;it's something like this : http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb0lugmnZ51rhtlogo1_400.gif 1094048;1428609552;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8wq1A ) 1094049;1428609741;ascii_field;another 'why is he famous?!' fella who goes on, and on, and on... about 'eternal copyright now!111!1' is jaron lanier 1094050;1428609751;mircea_popescu;this one i never heard of. 1094051;1428609758;ascii_field;!s lanier 1094052;1428609759;assbot;10 results for 'lanier' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lanier 1094053;1428609780;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2015#973195 1094054;1428609780;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2015 17:38:08; mircea_popescu: "Jaron Lanier is one of the worlds great polymaths. Hes a computer scientist, composer, visual artist, and the author of a new book, Who Owns the Future?, published last month " 1094055;1428609781;mircea_popescu;lolok. 1094056;1428609783;ascii_field;i mentioned him at least once as specifically an example of a particularly vile species sometimes called 'digerati' 1094057;1428609825;mats;i had the worst day 1094058;1428609836;mats;working for idiots is awful 1094059;1428609844;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jYT6WgNFFE << check it out, back when they had to hold up the mics, still raving about 1984 and orwellian society. 1094060;1428609846;assbot;1984 Orwells Warning With Harlan Ellison - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1abhDFS ) 1094061;1428609848;mircea_popescu;mats o ya ? what happened ? 1094062;1428609902;mats;my manager dicked around on a server and threw me under the bus when he fucked up 1094063;1428609946;mircea_popescu;heh. 1094064;1428609995;mats;motd says DO NOT USE RM UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING 1094065;1428610019;mircea_popescu;so walk, what. 1094066;1428610079;ascii_field;not walk. fly, on atomic dirigible 1094067;1428610116;mircea_popescu;he doesn't sound old enough to need a job, that doesn't sound like a job good enough to want, etc. 1094068;1428610141;mats;gotta eat. 1094069;1428610149;*;ascii_field does not, afaik, know anyone in local meatspace who 'doesn't need a job' 1094070;1428610167;ascii_field;it isn't strictly an age thing, beyond a certain point 1094071;1428610224;mircea_popescu;mats so walk next time. 1094072;1428610250;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1094073;1428610262;mircea_popescu;doesn't sound like you'll face a dearth of opportunities. 1094074;1428610318;mats;after i clean this up imma start looking, but, i'm still 'entry level' as far as years-employed goes 1094075;1428610340;mircea_popescu;fuck that. why would you ever take a standard that disadvantages you ? 1094076;1428610346;mircea_popescu;when you're young, you only talk in performance terms. 1094077;1428610352;mircea_popescu;when you're old it's time for "years employed" metrics. 1094078;1428610363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75250 @ 0.00024999 = 18.8117 BTC [-] {3} 1094079;1428610371;mircea_popescu;you never, ever, no matter what happens, accept a metric that puts you behind. 1094080;1428610387;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: now you know why i'm in my mousetrap. 1094081;1428610389;mircea_popescu;that's to be done with your teachers, not with the fucking employers. 1094082;1428610396;mircea_popescu;ascii_field no ? 1094083;1428610426;ascii_field;can't speak for mats, but basic idea is that once you leave your meatwot, you are a fungible machine. this is a situation that, as mats put it, 'resets you to entry level' - and overwhelmingly favours the very young 1094084;1428610426;mats;as you know, a proper master is rare... 1094085;1428610480;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nominally. not factually. 1094086;1428610520;ascii_field;there is not so much employment in the world for the 'naggum' variety of engineer. and one hundred percent of it is built on meat wots, years-long personal relationships and 'ins'. 1094087;1428610546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 597 @ 0.00259003 = 1.5462 BTC [-] {8} 1094088;1428610577;ascii_field;step outside of this, and you are fighting with the monkeys for monkey food. 1094089;1428610590;ascii_field;('www dev' etc.) 1094090;1428610607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.002575 = 2.575 BTC [-] {2} 1094091;1428610673;ascii_field;one very important fact is that a 'naggum' - if he is the genuine article - is a -destroyer- of jobs for his own kind, rather than creator thereof 1094092;1428610740;ascii_field;one could argue that this is not true, and that 'there is still as much work for systems engineers today as in '70 - because nothing really works' - but 'as much work' does not mean 'as much employment' 1094093;1428610780;mircea_popescu;i really don't agree with any of these. 1094094;1428610843;ascii_field;hm? 1094095;1428610857;ben_vulpes;"more work" << obligatory: http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/Invention_of_Cplusplus.shtml 1094096;1428610858;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8zxXg ) 1094097;1428610886;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you propose that if you were taken to a jungle, you would have trouble exterminating monkeys ? 1094098;1428610902;mircea_popescu;on what is this you-them difference predicated then ? 1094099;1428610909;mircea_popescu;aesthetic considerations ? skin tone ? 1094100;1428610918;ascii_field;why stop at monkeys 1094101;1428610925;mircea_popescu;your term. 1094102;1428610927;ascii_field;one man in the field would likely fall to sufficient cockroaches 1094103;1428610934;mircea_popescu;uh... 1094104;1428610935;ascii_field;what then is the difference between he and they 1094105;1428610948;mircea_popescu;wait, no man was ever killed by cockroaches. what are you on about ? 1094106;1428610994;ascii_field;probably would make more sense with ants. 1094107;1428611005;ascii_field;plenty killed by ants. 1094108;1428611028;ascii_field;granted, usually 'played with handicap' 1094109;1428611058;ascii_field;but the crashed pilot in the jungle likewise plays with handicap vs beasts which grew up there. 1094110;1428611059;mircea_popescu;you know, the shapeshifting amoebic consistency of your position suggests to me that you'd rather it weren't discussed after all. which is it ? 1094111;1428611077;ascii_field;here i don't have a position as such, only observations 1094112;1428611083;mircea_popescu;mkay. 1094113;1428611124;ascii_field;these observations are based 'in my light cone' naturally. 1094114;1428611183;ascii_field;speaking of exterminating monkeys, recall the thread with the strength of pan troglodytis ? 1094115;1428611600;mircea_popescu;you'd obviously avoid pissing them off and snipe them 1094116;1428611622;ascii_field;while the rifle has rounds - yes. 1094117;1428611648;mircea_popescu;i didn't say rifle. 1094118;1428611668;mircea_popescu;firesharpened sticks, what. 1094119;1428611691;ascii_field;the point, which i evidently failed to get across, is that the man vs chimp contest requires the man to at least get a chance to sharpen a stick, in order to use his advantage over the beast 1094120;1428611705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48845 @ 0.00024411 = 11.9236 BTC [-] {2} 1094121;1428611709;ascii_field;put the two together bare-handed - chimp will tear off limbs and rape the corpse 1094122;1428611717;ascii_field;does not matter how clever was the man 1094123;1428611727;mircea_popescu;the other point, which for some reason you don't seem inclined to appreciate, is that if the difference between man and beast doesn't exist, then the nominal difference is spurious. 1094124;1428611732;mircea_popescu;so just say "a monkey among monkeys" 1094125;1428611749;ascii_field;if only 1094126;1428611753;ascii_field;man makes a terrible chimp 1094127;1428611760;ascii_field;this is why the zoologist gets eaten every time 1094128;1428611764;ascii_field;if he visits enough 1094129;1428611766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86327 @ 0.0002417 = 20.8652 BTC [-] 1094130;1428611772;mircea_popescu;i dunno. 1094131;1428611780;mircea_popescu;i never met an eaten antrhopologist. 1094132;1428611787;mircea_popescu;(zoologists usually stick to amoebae) 1094133;1428611794;ascii_field;iirc there is a hypothesis that it is why they attack - he fails to respond to some important chimp gesture of dom/sub protocol handshake 1094134;1428611896;ascii_field;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/29/jane-goodall-institute-chimpanzee-eden_n_1636798.html? << just one randomly selected example 1094135;1428611898;assbot;Jane Goodall Institute Chimpanzee Eden Attack Leaves American With 'Multiple And Severe Bite Wounds' ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8Bx1M ) 1094136;1428611939;mircea_popescu;this was in a cage ? 1094137;1428611943;ascii_field;nope 1094138;1428611960;ascii_field;or, hm 1094139;1428611974;ascii_field;'when two chimpanzees grabbed his feet and pulled him under a fence into their enclosure...' 1094140;1428611981;mircea_popescu;"Andrew F. Oberle was giving a lecture to a group of tourists at the Chimp Eden sanctuary on Thursday when two chimpanzees grabbed his feet and pulled him under a fence into their enclosure, said Jeffrey Wicks of the Netcare911 emergency services company." 1094141;1428611982;mircea_popescu;dude come on. 1094142;1428612038;ascii_field;what is surprising? the thing has roughly 5x the strength of a man, per gram of muscle. 1094143;1428612058;mircea_popescu;what is surprising is that you're passing off chimps in a zoo for chimps in the wild, 1094144;1428612064;ascii_field;tears man like paper. like hydraulic pistons of bulldozer. 1094145;1428612076;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1094146;1428612089;mircea_popescu;and generally that this conversation keeps sliding towards less and less related stuff. 1094147;1428612114;ascii_field;(i very clearly recall incident of specialist who dealt with chimps in the wild, getting 'chimped' after many uneventful years. but lost the link.) 1094148;1428612150;ascii_field;to get back to original point, that i attempted to make, - division of labour exists, and not everyone is a universal and reshapeable everything. 1094149;1428612151;*;BingoBoingo recalls suprise at mircea_popescu's default chimp being the blowjob species 1094150;1428612160;mircea_popescu;why ? 1094151;1428612183;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well, anything may happen, sure. 1094152;1428612201;mircea_popescu;similarly, shopper got shot in muggery after many years of safe shopping. 1094153;1428612225;ascii_field;this is more of a 'that day was suddenly torn limb from limb by the other shoppers' thing 1094154;1428612226;ascii_field;iirc 1094155;1428612240;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the difference between smart and stupid is that smart can be stupid, but stupid can't be smart. that's it. 1094156;1428612253;mircea_popescu;if this condition is not satisfied, you're looking at mere kinds of stupid. 1094157;1428612284;ascii_field;not sure if this will make sense, but living as a stupid -social- organism takes a lifetime of practice. 1094158;1428612295;ascii_field;consider organic vs congenital brain damage 1094159;1428612301;mircea_popescu;your liking it is not in discussion. 1094160;1428612317;ascii_field;not liking per se, but sustainably (without external feeding) functioning. 1094161;1428612337;mircea_popescu;so you're telling me you couldn't flunk tests. because it's "in your nature" to pass them. 1094162;1428612349;mircea_popescu;can you see how this would essentially be socialist ideology ? 1094163;1428612358;mircea_popescu;"no need to pay creators for creating - it's what they do" 1094164;1428612373;ascii_field;could quite easily flunk tests. could not convincingly worm into the company of folks who grew up doing so. 1094165;1428612379;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1094166;1428612423;ascii_field;didn't grow up drinking their swill, speaking their hundred-word language, watching their sporting crud, etc. 1094167;1428612431;mircea_popescu;so ? 1094168;1428612446;mircea_popescu;not like it's hard. 1094169;1428612463;ascii_field;mircea_popescu could convince an eskimo that he is an eskimo ? 1094170;1428612468;ascii_field;if not, why not ? 1094171;1428612472;mircea_popescu;surely. 1094172;1428612490;mircea_popescu;and if i couldn't that failure'd score pretty high up on the priority board. 1094173;1428612492;*;ascii_field takes off hat, does not know anyone else who would dare to attempt it. 1094174;1428612539;mircea_popescu;im a tall lanky white eskimo from romania. problem ? 1094175;1428612544;ascii_field;l0l 1094176;1428612550;ascii_field;'stop sending the blacks' (TM) 1094177;1428612580;*;ascii_field recalls how richard sorge, perhaps greatest spy who ever lived, still stuck to impersonating a german - rather than japanese - official, while in jp 1094178;1428612606;mircea_popescu;nevertheless. 1094179;1428612666;mircea_popescu;speaking of spies, i was kinda surpriosed to see news item linked yesterday casually point out the deep reason for why exactly us gaver up on actual humint to focus on mostl pointless sigint 1094180;1428612678;mircea_popescu;"we can't afford to train and then to lose the agents what with these new techniques" 1094181;1428612684;mircea_popescu;i thought that wasn't mentionable. 1094182;1428612707;ascii_field;mentionable, like everything else, so long as the context is sufficiently obfuscated (or can be presumed to be unknown to the chumps) 1094183;1428612715;mircea_popescu;aha. 1094184;1428612727;ascii_field;just like the other tidbit from yesterday, re: the arctic exercises. 1094185;1428612803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00025471 = 12.1369 BTC [+] 1094186;1428612832;ascii_field;and before we say 'the americans and their wasted effort on pointless sigint' - let's recall how they set up a whole planet as chumpers who can't access a sane computing system at any price... 1094187;1428612891;ascii_field;(pedants will answer 'desinfo ain't sigint' but in usa they are presided over by the same people) 1094188;1428612893;mircea_popescu;the planet needed no help with that. 1094189;1428612903;mircea_popescu;let's not credit passing swallows for rain shall we. 1094190;1428612932;mircea_popescu;next you're going to tell me growing autism is the intentional effect of tradecraft. 1094191;1428612950;ascii_field;the sparrow may not be to blame for the spring, but the matter of the birdshit on statue - another. 1094192;1428612970;mircea_popescu;looky here : nothing works unless individuals sovereign over them. 1094193;1428612986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00025471 = 7.6413 BTC [+] 1094194;1428612987;mircea_popescu;the car is functional today to the degree that it is functional for this reason. 1094195;1428613000;mircea_popescu;ic had no such luck. you could say shockley made a bad king. 1094196;1428613032;mircea_popescu;rocketry exists because of that nazi us citizen, not because of any government, or other group of people. and on and on. 1094197;1428613044;ascii_field;aha. 1094198;1428613057;mircea_popescu;there's always going to be fields with and fields without the luck. 1094199;1428613063;mircea_popescu;this - spring. 1094200;1428613106;mircea_popescu;(and before anyone wants to argue re ford : the man pissed on a field of patents, ignored the law and basically ordered anyone messing with his stuff murdered.) 1094201;1428613116;ascii_field;^ ditto edison 1094202;1428613119;mircea_popescu;for that matter - electricity had a bad king, and it still sucks to this day, as discussed yest 1094203;1428613123;ascii_field;who in fact invented modern patent trollage 1094204;1428613129;mircea_popescu;granted, not as bad as shockley. 1094205;1428613217;mircea_popescu;people, if left to do what threy will, will just make piles of shit. it's what people do. 1094206;1428613241;ascii_field;except for the ones who won't 1094207;1428613263;ascii_field;(paulgraham, pre-braindamage, called the difference 'good taste' but not sure if this is descriptive) 1094208;1428613296;mircea_popescu;"people" in the collective. 1094209;1428613305;ascii_field;then trivially yes. 1094210;1428613311;Adlai;pg: "hackers, like painters, both make things" rando troll: "so do chickens" 1094211;1428613320;mircea_popescu;it may be good taste, but it more likely is a firm decision to burn anything and everything until it either behaves or goes away. 1094212;1428613336;ascii_field;^ that -is- good taste 1094213;1428613341;mircea_popescu;well ok then. 1094214;1428613352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00025471 = 6.8517 BTC [+] 1094215;1428613405;mircea_popescu;anyway : the people who never burn anyone elementarily fail at this. 1094216;1428613436;mircea_popescu;kinda how it only takes a moment;s survey to reealise a field/group/whatever will never amount to anything worth the mention. 1094217;1428613896;mircea_popescu;ascii_field hey, we discussed last year this guy that was really butthurt about some professor stealing his invention ? up in canada ? something to do with mathematica maybe ? 1094218;1428613928;mircea_popescu;heh. 1094219;1428613930;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1094220;1428613972;ascii_field;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.math/t7Szo6EFZvc << this ? 1094221;1428613974;assbot;Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOG8Et ) 1094222;1428614002;ascii_field;wolfram is a u.s.-based fella though 1094223;1428614022;ascii_field;!s wolfram 1094224;1428614023;assbot;43 results for 'wolfram' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wolfram 1094225;1428614046;mircea_popescu;aha 1094226;1428614049;ascii_field;he later backed down, paper was printed, there were no lawsuits, iirc. 1094227;1428614056;mircea_popescu;that, but im not linking google groups. 1094228;1428614058;ascii_field;but much anger to this day. 1094229;1428614073;ascii_field;http://bactra.org/reviews/wolfram 1094230;1428614074;assbot;Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOGpHJ ) 1094231;1428614077;ascii_field;^ canonical 1094232;1428614107;ascii_field;particularly, 1094233;1428614110;ascii_field;'The real problem with this result, however, is that it is not Wolfram's. He didn't invent cyclic tag systems, and he didn't come up with the incredibly intricate construction needed to implement them in Rule 110. This was done rather by one Matthew Cook, while working in Wolfram's employ under a contract with some truly remarkable provisions about intellectual property. In short, Wolfram got to control not only when and 1094234;1428614110;ascii_field;how the result was made public, but to claim it for himself. In fact, his position was that the existence of the result was a trade secret. ...' 1094235;1428614169;ascii_field;'Wolfram, for his part, responded by suing or threatening to sue Cook (now a penniless graduate student in neuroscience), the conference organizers, the publishers of the proceedings, etc. ' 1094236;1428614228;mircea_popescu;heh 1094237;1428614234;ascii_field;wolfram is sui generis. owns a tame publisher, for instance 1094238;1428614252;ascii_field;that prints his 'great insights' and those of his user base 1094239;1428614267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6241 @ 0.00025471 = 1.5896 BTC [+] 1094240;1428614269;mircea_popescu;that really is not hard to do. 1094241;1428614274;mircea_popescu;pod and so on 1094242;1428614281;ascii_field;to my great shame, i pumped thousands and thousands of usd into wolfram's pockets. 1094243;1428614341;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it isn't an on-demand print, either 1094244;1428614352;ascii_field;'top shelf' lithography and typography 1094245;1428614405;ascii_field;the man is a crank who grew up as 'next big physics mind' who ended up coming to nothing. but turned out that he was good at harnessing other folks to pull his imperial cart. 1094246;1428614408;mircea_popescu;also not THAT expensive these days 1094247;1428614416;ascii_field;so he ended up as a mad king of a small kingdom of sorts 1094248;1428614424;mircea_popescu;lots of these, it turns out. 1094249;1428614437;ascii_field;'mathematica' has competitors in the exactly same sense that mpex does. 1094250;1428614443;ascii_field;to this day. 1094251;1428614448;mircea_popescu;apparently everyone who's not proud to work for corporate america a la buffett is busy trying to carve a small kingdom of flies type of arrangement 1094252;1428614461;mircea_popescu;from the idiots trying to get "real estate developments" on arid hills in south america 1094253;1428614466;ascii_field;buffett has kingdom. well, had. it was conquered meanwhile 1094254;1428614469;ascii_field;as i understand 1094255;1428614474;mircea_popescu;to derps making "submarines" because hey, can't just admit bitcoin has it and humbly join. 1094256;1428614478;*;ascii_field has not yet read all of the man's writings 1094257;1428614514;ascii_field;anyway, i happen to know more than a reasonable man ought to, about wolframism 1094258;1428614544;ascii_field;what he did was, essentially, steal a usg mega-product - macsyma, the first really universal computer algebra system, thousands of man-years of 1094259;1428614551;ascii_field;a certain lisp 1094260;1428614563;ascii_field;and hired some folks to cough up a gui for it 1094261;1428614565;ascii_field;and marketed 1094262;1428614581;ascii_field;he also had it delisped 1094263;1428614589;ascii_field;so that 'serial number is filed off', so to speak 1094264;1428614609;ascii_field;and would not be bound by the (iirc murky) legal status of the stolen original 1094265;1428614626;ascii_field;(gpl did not yet exist, and ianal, but the story is complicated - it -was- taxpayer-funded research) 1094266;1428614678;ascii_field;http://www.ymeme.com/why-wolfram-%28mathematica%29-did-not-use-lisp.html << some detail of what 1094267;1428614679;assbot;Why Wolfram (Mathematica) did not use Lisp | The (λ) Lambda meme - all things Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOId3d ) 1094268;1428614719;ascii_field;http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20141104/NEWS04/141109944/mathematicas-wolfram-sued-accused-of-secretly-recording-calls << l0l! apparently he's still sc4mz0r1ng folks 1094269;1428614720;assbot;Subscription Center | ChicagoBusiness.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOIhQC ) 1094270;1428614751;ascii_field;... or being sc4mz0r3d himself 1094271;1428614755;*;ascii_field wasn't there, didn't see 1094272;1428614869;ascii_field;http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20141125/NEWS04/141129858/mathematicas-wolfram-wins-fraud-case?utm_source=NEWS04&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=chicagobusiness << won. 1094273;1428614872;assbot;Subscription Center | ChicagoBusiness.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOIG5G ) 1094274;1428614885;ascii_field;that was quick. 1094275;1428615065;ascii_field;'My real concern, of course, was not that he was using optimized data structures so much as that he seemed on target to reintroduce numerical error back into a world that we had worked hard to make 'exact' (Macsyma used bignums from Lisp) or at least 'arbitrarily exact' (Macsyma had a derived type called 'bigfloat' that was internally a pair bignums, acting more or less as a ratio but with lots of other hidden bits to 1094276;1428615065;ascii_field;assure that any decimalization had enough bits to be precise to a given number of digits). Stephen's aim seemed to be to sacrifice correctness for speed. He seemed clear on that the error was not a problem for him...' 1094277;1428615077;ascii_field;^ he 'wriggleys gummed' the thing, too. 1094278;1428615088;ascii_field;(modern mathematica is, grudgingly, bignummy.) 1094279;1428615948;Pierre_Rochard;!up ascii_field 1094280;1428616280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25568 @ 0.00027439 = 7.0156 BTC [+] {2} 1094281;1428616829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00026632 = 7.9896 BTC [-] 1094282;1428617203;mats;Schwab FFS "password must contain at least one letter and no symbols Have one or more numbers between first and last character Password must be between 6 and 8 characters in length" 1094283;1428617268;mats;really? i could attack that on a laptop from 2005. 1094284;1428617439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204264 @ 0.00025593 = 52.2773 BTC [-] {5} 1094285;1428617498;mats;scratch that... 1995. 1094286;1428618304;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2014#599818 << dude is that yours ? 1094287;1428618304;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2014 16:43:00; benkay: bounce: the only solution is to be the competent management you wish to see in the world :) 1094288;1428618467;ben_vulpes;yeah why? 1094289;1428618659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17685 @ 0.00025044 = 4.429 BTC [-] 1094290;1428618707;mike_c;yeah? you claiming to be gandhi now :) 1094291;1428619235;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/on-owning-things/ re earlier discussion with funks and alf. 1094292;1428619235;assbot;On owning things on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfF5RL ) 1094293;1428619258;mircea_popescu;mike_c ben_vulpes i seriously thought i had come up with it, then searched for it, found vulpes 1094294;1428619263;mircea_popescu;was o.O check me out! 1094295;1428619349;mircea_popescu;no wonder the ancients didn't have "intellectual property". too cultivated to imagine it's workable. 1094296;1428619513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65150 @ 0.00025031 = 16.3077 BTC [-] 1094297;1428620916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17147 @ 0.00024736 = 4.2415 BTC [-] 1094298;1428621709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48161 @ 0.00024736 = 11.9131 BTC [-] 1094299;1428623539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86900 @ 0.0002686 = 23.3413 BTC [+] {3} 1094300;1428623661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17685 @ 0.00026031 = 4.6036 BTC [-] 1094301;1428623722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 161 @ 0.01 = 1.61 BTC [-] {3} 1094302;1428623783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00025089 = 10.8384 BTC [-] {2} 1094303;1428623783;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/obama-initiative-promotes-linkrot/ 1094304;1428623783;assbot;Obama Initiative Promotes Linkrot | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ya3kwz ) 1094305;1428625268;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pogos.jpg 1094306;1428625309;BingoBoingo;Beautiful 1094307;1428625444;asciilifeform;in other news, #glibc is one of the quietest channels one could imagine short of an entirely dead one. 1094308;1428625502;asciilifeform;in past 24 hrs, only some spew from a diffbot, and a query from a n00b re: 'ghost' vuln. 1094309;1428625613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77800 @ 0.00025562 = 19.8872 BTC [+] {2} 1094310;1428625796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52800 @ 0.00024942 = 13.1694 BTC [-] {2} 1094311;1428626022;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'archive' link in newest qntra post appears to be dead. 1094312;1428626149;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Fixed, was missing the f in pdf 1094313;1428626223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151922 @ 0.00027672 = 42.0399 BTC [+] {4} 1094314;1428626596;mats;TIL AMD now contracts out their fabs 1094315;1428626675;asciilifeform;mats: -all- of'em ? 1094316;1428626800;mats;i believe so. http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/71016/amd-goes-fabless 1094317;1428626803;assbot;AMD Goes Fabless - March 8, 2012 - Zacks.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CvY028 ) 1094318;1428626866;asciilifeform;takehome message appears to be 'buy your last x86 cpu while you can.' 1094319;1428627016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64335 @ 0.0002472 = 15.9036 BTC [-] {2} 1094320;1428627164;BingoBoingo;I'm looking for Investment advice. Any thoughts on Mayweather vs. Pacquiao? 1094321;1428627279;decimation;asciilifeform: have you ever tried 'picolisp'? 1094322;1428627284;asciilifeform;decimation: aha 1094323;1428627293;asciilifeform;decimation: i found that it is only any good as a 'textbook example' 1094324;1428627300;asciilifeform;'throwback' lisp similar to elisp 1094325;1428627304;asciilifeform;i.e. having dynamics scope 1094326;1428627315;asciilifeform;which brings the infamous 'funarg problem' back from the dead 1094327;1428627319;decimation;the guy claims to have built a small hardware processor that 'runs' picolisp 1094328;1428627323;asciilifeform;*dynamic 1094329;1428627328;asciilifeform;decimation: this is not hard 1094330;1428627339;decimation;no, it sounds like a very simple mechanism 1094331;1428627339;asciilifeform;see also 'scheme-79' 1094332;1428627387;asciilifeform;http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6334 - or my article on the subject, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=46 1094333;1428627388;assbot;DSpace@MIT: The SCHEME-79 Chip ... ( http://bit.ly/1CvZSZ0 ) 1094334;1428627390;assbot;Loper OS » Shards of Lost Technology, and the Need for High-Level Architectures. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CvZTft ) 1094335;1428627397;decimation;ah so the 'funarg problem' appears when you only use a stack 1094336;1428627416;asciilifeform;but in general 'simple lisps' are not hard to implement 1094337;1428627433;asciilifeform;there are approximately as many of them as there are folks with comp sci. degrees. 1094338;1428627447;asciilifeform;what is difficult is to implement one that is worth -using- 1094339;1428627485;asciilifeform;esp. since the 'jewel of simplicity' aspect tends to dissipate very, very quickly in unskilled hands trying to implement a modicum of actual optimization 1094340;1428627522;decimation;yeah for example I have been trying to 'optimize' a std::vector> turd 1094341;1428627526;decimation;in C++ 1094342;1428627530;asciilifeform;ew 1094343;1428627567;decimation;C++ does 'just work' but if you want to use the standard functions in any way other than designed it becomes a massive hairball 1094344;1428627582;decimation;because you are immediately faced with re-writing the whole thing from scratch 1094345;1428627604;decimation;kinda like bitcoin & boost libraries 1094346;1428627610;asciilifeform;even the standard aspects have questionable solidity of specification. 1094347;1428627638;asciilifeform;(not even speaking of cross-platform portability, but the fact of any two compilers on same platform eating up the same input and producing comparable, valid output) 1094348;1428627645;decimation;from what I gather from naggum, stroustrup basically spent most of his time marketing C++ 1094349;1428627658;decimation;and his marketing consisted of 'yeah we can include your crazy shit in the language' 1094350;1428627665;asciilifeform;like PL/I before. 1094351;1428627710;asciilifeform;but there can be no great charlatan without the great - in its own way - gaggle of imbecilic chumps to go with him. 1094352;1428627719;decimation;it seems that any sane implementer carefully sticks to a subset of the language - or a particular compiler/library 1094353;1428627728;asciilifeform;aha. 1094354;1428627734;asciilifeform;just as no one actually 'programs in c.' 1094355;1428627742;decimation;right 1094356;1428627754;asciilifeform;(it is quite impossible to do, outside of a classroom) 1094357;1428627788;asciilifeform;this is -one- of the reasons why ada (and to a slightly-lesser extent - common lisp) is interesting 1094358;1428627795;asciilifeform;one can -actually program in the specified language- 1094359;1428627803;asciilifeform;and no deviation from the spec is tolerated. 1094360;1428627811;decimation;well, it appears to come with a very well specified standard library 1094361;1428627860;decimation;actually I kinda wonder why ada hasn't gotten more traction, given that it is far more 'portable' than C is 1094362;1428627890;asciilifeform;because it declares war on microshit and unix, 'a pox on both their houses' 1094363;1428627920;*;BingoBoingo debates whether to seed Mayweather/Pacquiao on BitBet 1094364;1428627953;*;asciilifeform has never heard of either until now 1094365;1428627958;decimation;asciilifeform: that's a good point. in many ways, controlling the 'standard library' on a platform is way more important than the kernel 1094366;1428627995;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i can't help but wonder - who is playing the sport bets other than BingoBoingo ? somebody must be... 1094367;1428628009;decimation;after all, when Linus promises not to 'break userland', he's promising to be a good slave 1094368;1428628016;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform has never heard of either until now << Both fighters 5 years past their prime. One Black, one Island folk. Both old enough hard to see this happening without a loss of life. 1094369;1428628034;asciilifeform;decimation: if he 'broke' it, he will simply be left holding the short end of a fork 1094370;1428628037;asciilifeform;trademark or not. 1094371;1428628046;asciilifeform;orhpanned chain, if you will. 1094372;1428628055;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm not comtemplating betting, but marketmaking insurance 1094373;1428628160;decimation;http://faxtoy.net/ 1094374;1428628161;assbot;Fax Toy - Random Stuff You Fax To Us ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gvkqb9 ) 1094375;1428628290;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seems the predominant name for this match is "Debate 5 years too late" 1094376;1428628358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.00026885 = 15.8353 BTC [+] 1094377;1428628563;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: You got any thoughts on the fight? 1094378;1428628758;BingoBoingo;!up stunna 1094379;1428628779;BingoBoingo;stunna: You ever do any prop betting? 1094380;1428628785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.00024678 = 17.7928 BTC [-] {2} 1094381;1428628827;stunna;BingoBoingo: With friends for fun sure but nothing too serious 1094382;1428628856;stunna;BingoBoingo: I agreed to some guy's terms a year ago for the warren buffet bet thing and he pulled out, I got lucky he got cold feet 1094383;1428628867;stunna;BingoBoingo: Would have been out quite a few coins 1094384;1428628870;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nice. 1094385;1428628901;BingoBoingo;stunna: Ah. I'm debating whether to throw down to 2BTC necessary to open up the Mayweather Pacquiao thing on BitBet, leaning towards dumping my stake on the Azn even though Vegas is against him. 1094386;1428628927;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when weighing the lot, i discovered, to a bit of surprise, that there is ~50g of variance between the individual units. 1094387;1428628943;mircea_popescu;prolly power units 1094388;1428628950;asciilifeform;the infamous tea kettles inevitably came to mind 1094389;1428628957;stunna;BingoBoingo: It's really all the same EV + fees, would make the fight more exciting to watch though if you put money down 1094390;1428628972;asciilifeform;but yes, probably a fairly boring chinese variation in this or that. 1094391;1428628988;stunna;BingoBoingo: tickets to get into that fight are ridiculously expensive, $5-6,000 for the worst possible seat all the way in the back 1094392;1428629013;BingoBoingo;stunna: Well, Bitbet would be lower fee than a sportsbook (1%), just wondering if other money would come in to correct the odds. 1094393;1428629117;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo marywether still boxes ?! 1094394;1428629126;stunna;BingoBoingo: I know extremely little about sports betting, but there's probably enough people betting on there to keep the odds at whatever the official payouts are 1094395;1428629158;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah. Him and Pacquiao have just been doing old people set up fights these past few years, because boxing is uncompetitive as hell 1094396;1428629173;mircea_popescu;it cant be competitive. 1094397;1428629180;mircea_popescu;that worked with a LE of 35. 1094398;1428629218;*;BingoBoingo going to see how baseball/hockey do tonight and maybe submit the funded bet 1094399;1428629232;mircea_popescu;what odds do you see on it ? 1094400;1428629275;BingoBoingo;http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cause-for-concern--mayweather-and-pacquiao-camps-trade-barbs-over-tickets--contract-014542951-boxing.html 1094401;1428629277;assbot;Cause for concern? Mayweather and Pacquiao camps trade barbs over tickets, rooms, contract - Yahoo Sports ... ( http://bit.ly/1JufG49 ) 1094402;1428629317;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm seeing decimal odds pay 2.69 x stake for betting on Pacquiao 1094403;1428629335;mircea_popescu;i thought you wanted the other one ? 1094404;1428629343;BingoBoingo;But the fight isn't until May 2nd (3rd in GMT land) 1094405;1428629526;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/04/coinbase-outgoing-email-hacked/#comment-17363 << CoinBase's outgoing mailserver, localbitcoins members list 1094406;1428629526;assbot;Coinbase Outgoing Email Hacked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvnBQg ) 1094407;1428629544;mircea_popescu;is it ? 1094408;1428629568;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's what it appears to be. 1094409;1428629614;mircea_popescu;anyway, bitbet sports are iffy - the one time i put money on an obscure event i recall it being covered reasonably, like 9 to 1 or somesuch 1094410;1428629617;mircea_popescu;but you never know 1094411;1428629638;BingoBoingo;I'm going to think about it. There's still time 1094412;1428629756;BingoBoingo;World cup managed to get bets, but seemed to have a broader appeal 1094413;1428629931;BingoBoingo;Next Saturday seems to be the time to pull the trigger on the bet 1094414;1428630066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00025278 = 3.4125 BTC [+] 1094415;1428630859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00024498 = 13.7924 BTC [-] {2} 1094416;1428630890;*;BingoBoingo will probably make the decision Saturday on whether or not to stake the Bitcoin of 688 people on The last great boxing match ever. 1094417;1428631419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/on-owning-things/#comment-113503 1094418;1428631420;assbot;On owning things on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z09KcW ) 1094419;1428631483;mats;688? 1094420;1428631533;mircea_popescu;;;google 688 attack sub ms-dos 1094421;1428631534;gribble;688 Attack Sub | Old MS-DOS Games | Download for Free or play in ...: ; 688 Attack Sub (DOS) - Game Play - YouTube: ; 688 Attack Sub - Sega Retro: 1094422;1428631539;mircea_popescu;shit i loved that game. 1094423;1428631798;mats;oic 1094424;1428632262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32587 @ 0.0002517 = 8.2021 BTC [+] 1094425;1428632619;mats;https://github.com/linuxmint/xchat/blob/master/src/common/dcc.c#L571-573 exercise for the bored: spot the bug 1094426;1428632621;assbot;xchat/dcc.c at master · linuxmint/xchat · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvvG7w ) 1094427;1428633360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37517 @ 0.0002517 = 9.443 BTC [+] 1094428;1428633682;mats;relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibF36Yyeehw&t=30m29s 1094429;1428633683;assbot;DEFCON 17: More Tricks For Defeating SSL - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cwp4hQ ) 1094430;1428633724;mats;"just looking at the shape of this code, you know there's got to be a bug in here somewhere" 1094431;1428633884;BingoBoingo;mats: DCC is perfect occasion for fixing code with delete key 1094432;1428633909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00025278 = 6.0414 BTC [+] 1094433;1428633945;mats;i remember the days when you could pwn entire channels with dcc bugs 1094434;1428633975;decimation;re: TeX discussion < at least TeX is vastly superior to microsoft word, especially when it comes to collaboration on revision 1094435;1428634144;mats;BitchX used to go down with %s%s%s%s 1094436;1428634164;*;BingoBoingo made his weirdix weirdcoind with the delete key and .h substitutions 1094437;1428634702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106000 @ 0.00024403 = 25.8672 BTC [-] {4} 1094438;1428635258;[]bot;Bet placed: 3.1 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.955139 BTC. Current weight: 90,058. 1094439;1428635259;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Obama Approval Rating over 50% before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1090/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.13121127 BTC. Current weight: 42,499. 1094440;1428635261;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 6(Y):94(N) by coin, 7(Y):93(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.21280975 BTC. Current weight: 62,947. 1094441;1428635264;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.79172615 BTC. Current weight: 85,740. 1094442;1428635373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.0002407 = 7.0284 BTC [-] {2} 1094443;1428635922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00023945 = 4.5855 BTC [-] 1094444;1428636105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00025278 = 15.2932 BTC [+] 1094445;1428638789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91340 @ 0.00025387 = 23.1885 BTC [+] {2} 1094446;1428640163;BingoBoingo;;;later tell cazalla halp 1094447;1428640163;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1094448;1428640208;BingoBoingo;So if Cardinals beat the reda tomorrow I will make the bet Saturday 1094449;1428640295;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/pepper-spraying-drones-will-be-used-on-indian-protesters/ << Chemical weapins drones for whoever wants 1094450;1428640296;assbot;Pepper-spraying drones will be used on Indian protesters | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1acRXc5 ) 1094451;1428640446;BingoBoingo;!up IHB 1094452;1428640450;BingoBoingo;Hello IHB 1094453;1428640519;BingoBoingo;IHB: How goes your newsing? 1094454;1428640664;*;BingoBoingo concedes IhB.io looks better for javascript users 1094455;1428640741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127300 @ 0.00024417 = 31.0828 BTC [-] 1094456;1428640863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99940 @ 0.00025888 = 25.8725 BTC [+] {2} 1094457;1428640924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146510 @ 0.00026566 = 38.9218 BTC [+] {2} 1094458;1428641218;IHB;it was DDos attacked 1094459;1428641220;IHB;last night 1094460;1428641226;IHB;that's why i came on here 1094461;1428641228;IHB;to tell you guys 1094462;1428641234;IHB;BTC GAW fucking scm 1094463;1428641235;IHB;scam 1094464;1428641241;IHB;did qntra call it out? 1094465;1428641262;IHB;sorry in india now 1094466;1428641266;IHB;my internet is shoddy sometimes 1094467;1428641273;BingoBoingo;IHB: Yeah, qntra didn't have anything on them in particular because BTCgaw followed the exact same for as a scam previously called out. 1094468;1428641286;BingoBoingo;No worries about your connectivity 1094469;1428641304;BingoBoingo;Qntra was born in a multi gbp/s DDoS 1094470;1428641315;IHB;Brief due diligence 1094471;1428641329;IHB;There is no Privacy Policy 1094472;1428641336;IHB;There is no Terms of Services Statement 1094473;1428641342;IHB;There is no Team Page 1094474;1428641350;IHB;Laila Risan is listed as the domain contact, She is located in Norway. 1094475;1428641357;IHB;Tony Gaw is quoted as being the founder, no LinkedIn profile or any other presence on the internet. 1094476;1428641372;IHB;There are a lot of red flags, not limited to the “supposed” $1.6 million investment 1094477;1428641379;BingoBoingo;IHB: Would you like to diversify your newsing equity? Qntra is always hungry for posts... If you can offer a BTCgaw post for the qntra you can get a share per word 1094478;1428641389;BingoBoingo;Yeah Tony Gaw likely never was a person 1094479;1428641451;IHB;dude. i would totally get invovled 1094480;1428641460;IHB;but i have never done a key siging 1094481;1428641471;IHB;and my pgp has zero points on WoT 1094482;1428641521;BingoBoingo;IHB: I will just need a fingerprint for your key and a nick to associate it to. 1094483;1428641550;BingoBoingo;IHB: You do good work. I see you have included qntra in your aggregator. I am grateful. 1094484;1428641574;IHB;so how does this work? IHB is shutting down anyway and i am concentrating on an iPhone app and API we have been building. 1094485;1428641607;BingoBoingo;IHB: Is it shutting down entirely or are you keeping the domain> 1094486;1428641615;BingoBoingo;? 1094487;1428641617;IHB;yeah, that aggregator is feedly. will send you the .opml file. i think i have a lot of the good sites to follow. would love it if you see any missing 1094488;1428641658;BingoBoingo;IHB: So what exactly is the catalyst for shutting down? Did DDoS get expensive? 1094489;1428641665;IHB;keeping the domain. not making any rash decsions now. we have some good backlinks. may redirect to new domain 1094490;1428641667;BingoBoingo;Or something else? 1094491;1428641716;IHB;no. IHB costs were minimal. i have been bootstrappping since end of 2013. in the behind been working on an API and now we are finally in the last phase of development. my efforts need to be there 1094492;1428641717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 200 @ 0.0089406 = 1.7881 BTC [-] {3} 1094493;1428641807;BingoBoingo;IHB: So if you want to submit email in plaintext to myself and cazalla your piece. Make sure you include a GPG fingerprint and have the GPG key registered to a nick in the assbot wot 1094494;1428641879;BingoBoingo;I will offer the standard disclaimer that s.qntr shares are as volatile as fuck and we have no revenue yet 1094495;1428642416;BingoBoingo;!up IHB 1094496;1428643791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132350 @ 0.00026741 = 35.3917 BTC [+] 1094497;1428644414;[]bot;Bet created: "Yandex drop under Google before 2016" http://bitbet.us/bet/1134/ 1094498;1428644645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123990 @ 0.00026791 = 33.2182 BTC [+] {3} 1094499;1428645011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51710 @ 0.00027089 = 14.0077 BTC [+] 1094500;1428645621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130919 @ 0.00026919 = 35.2421 BTC [-] {2} 1094501;1428646030;mircea_popescu;!gettrust ihb 1094502;1428646030;assbot;ihb is not registered in WoT. 1094503;1428646039;mircea_popescu;get inb the wot eh. 1094504;1428646841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222750 @ 0.00027875 = 62.0916 BTC [+] {2} 1094505;1428648183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167900 @ 0.00027313 = 45.8585 BTC [-] 1094506;1428648488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153200 @ 0.00028002 = 42.8991 BTC [+] {3} 1094507;1428648732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67650 @ 0.00027707 = 18.7438 BTC [-] 1094508;1428649159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00027752 = 3.7049 BTC [+] 1094509;1428650403;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.79172615 BTC. Current weight: 85,528. 1094510;1428650405;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 145.16184834 BTC. Current weight: 65,659. 1094511;1428650568;mircea_popescu;dude if that 700 bet comes out yes... 1094512;1428651477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158700 @ 0.00027707 = 43.971 BTC [-] 1094513;1428651537;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo qntra sub for your consideration : http://dpaste.com/098PGV3.txt 1094514;1428651538;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FqrDcp ) 1094515;1428651538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209300 @ 0.00027255 = 57.0447 BTC [-] {3} 1094516;1428651538;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1094517;1428651602;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla same but for your key : http://dpaste.com/18Y9W7Z.txt 1094518;1428651603;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FqrQwf ) 1094519;1428651603;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1094520;1428651619;mircea_popescu;haha this gpg shit is hot. 1094521;1428651639;pete_dushenski;it's trendy shit for sure 1094522;1428651667;pete_dushenski;soon there'll be smartphone apps and errything 1094523;1428651698;pete_dushenski;and smartwatch apps that use your heartbeat to sign 1094524;1428651712;cazalla;trendy lol, i gotta lug your shit to the other room to decrypt it! nothing trendy about that 1094525;1428651725;Chillum;smartwatches are nice but I prefer my mechanical Omega 1094526;1428651742;pete_dushenski;cazalla: wat do you mean ? walking is the trendiest shit going 1094527;1428651754;pete_dushenski;it's all healthy and progressive and carbon neutral 1094528;1428651759;Chillum;I walk, but only ironically 1094529;1428651768;pete_dushenski;lol 1094530;1428651778;pete_dushenski;so... backwards down the sidewalk ? 1094531;1428651795;*;pete_dushenski does this on occasion 1094532;1428651805;Chillum;backwards up the sidewalk 1094533;1428651855;Chillum;need sleep, must leave computer 1094534;1428651856;pete_dushenski;speaking of up the sidewalk, looks like our little town here is getting its very own funicular in the next couple years 1094535;1428651887;pete_dushenski;Chillum: bon soir, man 1094536;1428652013;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2015/04/09/fun-with-funiculars-sliding-into-edmontons-past/ << oh, turns out edmonton already had a funicalar... 100 years ago 1094537;1428652015;assbot;Fun with Funiculars: Sliding into Edmonton’s Past | Edmonton Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fqt8Y7 ) 1094538;1428652056;pete_dushenski;and the old one moved draught horses up and down the river valley 1094539;1428652059;pete_dushenski;fuck me that's cool 1094540;1428652131;mircea_popescu;funicular funiculaaah 1094541;1428652145;mircea_popescu;largo'al factotum de la citta de la citta deeee laaaa ciiiiiittaa! 1094542;1428652151;pete_dushenski;i feel a seinfeld joke coming on 1094543;1428652169;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSAZAHiOa8 1094544;1428652170;assbot;Luciano Pavarotti - Funiculì Funiculà - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHrkar ) 1094545;1428652201;pete_dushenski;hah or that! 1094546;1428652241;pete_dushenski;so today was ram upgrade day at the dushenski residence ! 1094547;1428652269;pete_dushenski;my numero uno is now rocking 32 gb of ecc ram 1094548;1428652291;pete_dushenski;which is easily the most i've ever had in a desktop, so i'm quite looking forward to seeing how it performs 1094549;1428652343;mircea_popescu;nb. 1094550;1428652514;pete_dushenski;i was pleasantly surprised at how inexpensive memory is for these older machine. 1094551;1428652525;pete_dushenski;about 1/4 of the newer ones 1094552;1428652630;mircea_popescu;http://rs1img.memecdn.com/i-hate-it-when-i-sit-down-and-i-suddenly-turn-in-to-a-dog_o_703132.jpg 1094553;1428652631;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHrXRe ) 1094554;1428652813;cazalla;pete_dushenski, http://qntra.net/2015/04/battle-for-the-right-to-play-old-multiplayer-games-take-shape/ 1094555;1428652814;assbot;Battle for the right to play old multiplayer games take shape. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHsfYz ) 1094556;1428652844;mircea_popescu;an' this one's for fluffypony : http://rs1img.memecdn.com/Dont-Sit-On-The-Keybord-Ok_o_119368.jpg 1094557;1428652844;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHskeR ) 1094558;1428652855;fluffypony;LOL 1094559;1428652922;pete_dushenski;cazalla: nice! 1094560;1428653273;pete_dushenski;http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/product/libreboot-x200/ << can't quite see the sense in a $500 laptop differentiated from its $100 donor by two pieces of *free* software 1094561;1428653274;assbot;Libreboot X200 | The Gluglug ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHsUcp ) 1094562;1428653292;pete_dushenski;but hey, freedom isn't free, right ? 1094563;1428653338;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski " Januseque " ? 1094564;1428653366;pete_dushenski;two-faced roman god ? 1094565;1428653370;pete_dushenski;janus ? 1094566;1428653371;mircea_popescu;how about "Janus-esque god of Plasticated Profits" ? 1094567;1428653394;mircea_popescu;you need that s in any case. 1094568;1428653402;pete_dushenski;i have no objection to that improvement 1094569;1428653576;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: speaking of tweaks, you have "gullbile" in your last article in footnote v 1094570;1428653612;mircea_popescu;gull ahahaha 1094571;1428653614;mircea_popescu;epic. 1094572;1428653706;cazalla;janus in goldeneye too from memory 1094573;1428653755;pete_dushenski;speaking of which, some buddies and i are convening next weekend to play goldeneye for n64 1094574;1428653761;pete_dushenski;and mario kart 1094575;1428653814;cazalla;ya know ya never could, never will fps on a console regardless of how nostalgic goldeneye may seem 1094576;1428653820;cazalla;mario kart on the other hand.. 1094577;1428653902;pete_dushenski;007 was the only fps i ever even tried to learn 1094578;1428653908;pete_dushenski;the newer ones are too... fast 1094579;1428653928;cazalla;pc master race for fps 1094580;1428653955;pete_dushenski;that an f1 game ? 1094581;1428654002;cazalla;no i mean pc is the master race with quake, n64 fps is the nigger with goldeneye 1094582;1428654014;pete_dushenski;lolk 1094583;1428654017;cazalla;or that halo shit with 640x320 res, aim assist, auto aim etc etc 1094584;1428654043;pete_dushenski;i honestly don't give a shit about any of them 1094585;1428654075;pete_dushenski;but it'll be a fun time with the boys 1094586;1428654112;pete_dushenski;allow us to show a little of that competitive spirit we otherwise aim only at jobs and girls 1094587;1428654134;pete_dushenski;and speaking of janus, for any car buffs reading the logs, there was a very limited production car built by german firm zundapp in the mid-1950's by this name 1094588;1428654165;pete_dushenski;i saw it at a motormuseum in berlin 2-3 years ago, just trying to dig up the picture now 1094589;1428654235;mircea_popescu;!up wyrdmantis 1094590;1428654598;cazalla;but you can't be competitive on a console 1094591;1428654619;cazalla;anyway, don't pay too close attention, stuck into 3rd beer already 1094592;1428654676;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1957-Zundapp-Janus-placard.jpg 1094593;1428654678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHuURP ) 1094594;1428654684;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1957-Zundapp-Janus.jpg 1094595;1428654686;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHuV8t ) 1094596;1428654706;pete_dushenski;had mp not written that little article today, i might've posted these on imgur lol 1094597;1428654740;pete_dushenski;cazalla: tis all good, i see what you mean and i don't disagree 1094598;1428654768;pete_dushenski;my pc gaming was just limited to starcraft and age of empires 1094599;1428654807;pete_dushenski;why be the foot soldier when you can be the general in teh sky ? 1094600;1428654979;mircea_popescu;!up The_Shrander 1094601;1428655058;The_Shrander;thanks MP :) 1094602;1428655076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104900 @ 0.00027752 = 29.1118 BTC [+] 1094603;1428655093;The_Shrander;hi to all, have you seen this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3213nc/all_trezor_users_should_update_their_firmware_for/ 1094604;1428655096;assbot;All TREZOR users should update their firmware for protection against a physical attack - Extracting the Private Key from a TREZOR with a $70 Oscilloscope : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1FqDPty ) 1094605;1428655136;pete_dushenski;heh. i dun think anyone here really trusted trezors to begin with 1094606;1428655158;pete_dushenski;though i think it was kako who bought a couple of them ? mebbe some others too. 1094607;1428655221;pete_dushenski;they're sort of in the 'yubikey' camp of 'blackbox toy crypto that plugs into usb' 1094608;1428655298;mircea_popescu;The_Shrander no, but it is kinda lulzy. in any case trezor had mixed reviews at best here. 1094609;1428655299;mircea_popescu;!s trezor 1094610;1428655300;assbot;135 results for 'trezor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trezor 1094611;1428655505;The_Shrander;very very lulz 1094612;1428655686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96162 @ 0.00027781 = 26.7148 BTC [+] {2} 1094613;1428655708;wyrdmantis;mmm, i've made a mess with nicknames 1094614;1428655897;mircea_popescu;!gettrust wyrdmantis 1094615;1428655900;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/wyrdmantis | http://w.b-a.link/user/wyrdmantis 1094616;1428655909;mircea_popescu;should be able to self up anyway 1094617;1428655977;mircea_popescu;in other news, jailbait is jailbait-y. http://41.media.tumblr.com/82e27f84a791f636193e7fca23c634c5/tumblr_nepx0rpWAr1qm6pfzo1_1280.jpg 1094618;1428655979;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FqGzY1 ) 1094619;1428656658;wyrdmantis;lol ethereum is almost scamready https://github.com/ethereum/go-ethereum/milestones 1094620;1428656659;assbot;Milestones - ethereum/go-ethereum · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQ5sde ) 1094621;1428658004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44122 @ 0.0002814 = 12.4159 BTC [+] {2} 1094622;1428659773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00028123 = 14.3146 BTC [-] 1094623;1428660444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106450 @ 0.00028123 = 29.9369 BTC [-] 1094624;1428663494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 462000 @ 0.00028424 = 131.3189 BTC [+] {4} 1094625;1428664470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96400 @ 0.00028547 = 27.5193 BTC [+] 1094626;1428665507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172050 @ 0.00028439 = 48.9293 BTC [-] {2} 1094627;1428666544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129298 @ 0.00027633 = 35.7289 BTC [-] {4} 1094628;1428666788;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 350 @ 0.00441308 = 1.5446 BTC [+] {2} 1094629;1428667215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 259500 @ 0.00027932 = 72.4835 BTC [+] {2} 1094630;1428667374;mats;it moves 1094631;1428667703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220450 @ 0.00027529 = 60.6877 BTC [-] {2} 1094632;1428667950;mats;http://www.usherald.com/maine-welfare-recipients-must-work-for-their-benefits/ 1094633;1428667952;assbot; This Is What Happened When Maine Forced Welfare Recipients To Work For Their Benefits  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ps05pZ ) 1094634;1428668252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107950 @ 0.00028249 = 30.4948 BTC [+] {2} 1094635;1428668740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94706 @ 0.00028731 = 27.21 BTC [+] {2} 1094636;1428668767;BingoBoingo;!up wyrdmantis 1094637;1428668856;BingoBoingo;!gettrust assbot wyrdmantis 1094638;1428668857;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/wyrdmantis | http://w.b-a.link/user/wyrdmantis 1094639;1428668870;BingoBoingo;!h 1094640;1428668870;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1094641;1428669472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134311 @ 0.00027088 = 36.3822 BTC [-] 1094642;1428669838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 253050 @ 0.00028784 = 72.8379 BTC [+] {4} 1094643;1428670107;mike_c;I hate this: "I don't know that my pull request is the best way to handle it, but I thought it might poke the bear enough to move the conversation along" translation - my code is shit, but maybe it will annoy someone else enough that they will do it correctly. 1094644;1428670185;mike_c;this is from the ethereum github repo. and have no fear buddy, they took your code. 1094645;1428671119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164900 @ 0.00028662 = 47.2636 BTC [-] 1094646;1428671424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186350 @ 0.00028952 = 53.9521 BTC [+] {2} 1094647;1428671471;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/04/10/reports-troubles-webster-u%E2%80%99s-branch-campus-thailand << W.U.T. is an American university in name only, Erickson wrote, adding that the top administrators there do not know what a real American university education consists of, and have no interest in finding out." He questioned whether any of them went to a "real American university in the first place." 1094648;1428671474;assbot;Reports of troubles at Webster U.’s branch campus in Thailand | InsideHigherEd.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwMSte ) 1094649;1428671912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00028662 = 10.9202 BTC [-] 1094650;1428672875;mats;http://www.illmatics.com/Understanding_the_LFH.pdf << windoze heap 1094651;1428672877;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwPXtj ) 1094652;1428672949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00028662 = 8.7562 BTC [-] 1094653;1428675438;mats;http://blog.llvm.org/2015/04/fuzz-all-clangs.html 1094654;1428675439;assbot;LLVM Project Blog: Simple guided fuzzing for libraries using LLVM's new libFuzzer ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuhyWE ) 1094655;1428676121;mircea_popescu;heh watching that s.mpoe is like daytime drama i swear. 1094656;1428676511;mats;http://www.azimuthsecurity.com/resources/bh2009_mcdonald_valasek.pdf << this and the other link are the best windows heap exploitation papers ive read so far 1094657;1428676609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35761 @ 0.00028322 = 10.1282 BTC [-] 1094658;1428676820;mats;http://www.randalolson.com/2014/05/24/a-data-driven-exploration-of-the-evolution-of-chess-match-lengths-and-outcomes/ via HN 1094659;1428676822;assbot;Evolution of chess: Game lengths and outcomes | Randal S. Olson ... ( http://bit.ly/1FulpDd ) 1094660;1428676943;mircea_popescu;mats how much have you slept past week ? 1094661;1428676975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 85 @ 0.01455797 = 1.2374 BTC [+] {5} 1094662;1428677055;mats;probs 3-4 hours a night 1094663;1428677135;mircea_popescu;why is that ? 1094664;1428677547;mats;work has been hectic 1094665;1428677639;mircea_popescu;you know it's a major sign of early onset schizophrenia among other unsavory things ? 1094666;1428677643;mircea_popescu;go get some sleep. 1094667;1428677695;mats;maybe ill take a nap during lunch 1094668;1428677742;mircea_popescu;how about a nice 12 hour undisturbed window ? 1094669;1428677903;mats;ill give it a go. a couple family members have schizophrenia... no idea if its heritable but i should definitely be more careful 1094670;1428677922;mike_c;<+mircea_popescu> you know it's a major sign of early onset schizophrenia among other unsavory things ? << unsavory things like parenthood.. 1094671;1428677945;mircea_popescu;it's not heritable but a weak indicator. and one of the prevailing theories is that it's kindled, ie, you could be fine but then you had to go stress it to all shit. 99% get ptsd, 1% actually gets schizo. 1094672;1428677956;mircea_popescu;just a theory. nobody knows shit about their own head, let alone other peoples' anyway. 1094673;1428677969;mircea_popescu;mike_c no see, it's not a sign of that, it's an effect of that. but yes :p 1094674;1428678444;PeterL;mircea_popescu: you were looking for me? 1094675;1428678478;BingoBoingo; it's not heritable but a weak indicator. and one of the prevailing theories is that it's kindled, ie, you could be fine but then you had to go stress it to all shit. 99% get ptsd, 1% actually gets schizo. << Kindling is the dominant theory among the credible people. 1094676;1428678483;mircea_popescu;PeterL well scoopbot's dead ? 1094677;1428678502;PeterL;I just restarted it, should show up any second now... 1094678;1428678512;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo im not terribru persuaded myself. but srsly, "get some sleep" is probably the best medical advice ever invented. 1094679;1428678519;mircea_popescu;above even "have a glass of water would you." 1094680;1428678524;mircea_popescu;PeterL kk. 1094681;1428678541;BingoBoingo;Get some sleep, drink some water, is all solid advice 1094682;1428678561;mike_c;and get a less stressful job. 1094683;1428678586;mircea_popescu;up to about 30something, a job no matter how stressful is no big deal as long as you actually sleep and eat. 1094684;1428678603;mircea_popescu;and even skipping a day or two. but when it becomes week-chronic... 1094685;1428678663;BingoBoingo;Cigarettes are my mental health plan. 1094686;1428678684;mircea_popescu;this is the boon of late adolescence/early adulthood : that you can do any stressful job and you'll be fine. what you can't really do is slef-manage tho. which is kind of why i'm indignant over all the wastage sv/the us generally is doing to these eager kids making them "ceos" of "start-ups". 1094687;1428678689;mircea_popescu;worst hr wastage conceivable. 1094688;1428678694;mircea_popescu;but hey, not my country. 1094689;1428678698;PeterL;I just started a new job this week, I am not sure how much time I will be able to spend here 1094690;1428678715;mircea_popescu;PeterL have a preferred wakeup mechanism ? 1094691;1428678753;PeterL;to wake me up? 1094692;1428678770;mircea_popescu;say if scoopbot dies again or w/e. 1094693;1428678780;mircea_popescu;some hot camho shows up wanting your babies. 1094694;1428678798;BingoBoingo;!b 4 1094695;1428678799;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2241Z8S.txt ) 1094696;1428678810;PeterL;she can have them, they are obnoxious and climb on me all the time 1094697;1428678821;mircea_popescu;she can't have them till you stick it in her yo. 1094698;1428678839;PeterL;oh, you mean unborn babies 1094699;1428678867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72450 @ 0.0002765 = 20.0324 BTC [-] 1094700;1428678881;mircea_popescu;lol 1094701;1428678885;mircea_popescu; Lieutenant Gary Mandich, who was one of the many attendees and alleged participants in the lewd activities, told media, "Everyone needs to seriously lighten up. What do they expect? This is Vegas baby! They call this symposium 'Tail' hook for a reason!" 1094702;1428678885;mircea_popescu;His statement led to a wave of public outcry which sparked numerous protests and demonstrations at the gates of naval bases across the U.S. 1094703;1428678888;mircea_popescu;these people are nuts. 1094704;1428678914;mircea_popescu;someone seriously had the time to crash gate bases "across the us" because some people hooked up at the hookup convention in vegas ? 1094705;1428678918;mircea_popescu;us needs more jobs stat. 1094706;1428678989;PeterL;maybe they are all retired people living off investment income? 1094707;1428679044;mircea_popescu;protesting soldiers fucking ? 1094708;1428679054;BingoBoingo;The US cattle control system has become too advanced to for any new jobs to exist that make sense. 1094709;1428679059;mircea_popescu;what, from like florida ? 1094710;1428679178;BingoBoingo;Well, between walmart and reddit, what can USian people do to create any value without letting the cows loose? 1094711;1428679196;mircea_popescu;you know, free ranging is a thing. 1094712;1428679225;mircea_popescu;"After his return to the USS Midway, in port in Seattle for Seafair, then Tailhook president Captain Rick Ludwig pulled all air wing commanding officers, staff, and flag staff officers and debriefed them on initial reports of misbehavior and incidents of fisticuffs in the hallways and on the patio by the pool." 1094713;1428679232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44056 @ 0.0002765 = 12.1815 BTC [-] 1094714;1428679239;mircea_popescu;ok, nm, it doesn't seem like what i had in mind after all. 1094715;1428679241;PeterL;so I started this week at Perrigo, the company stock jumped up 25%, therefore investors must like me, right? 1094716;1428679249;mircea_popescu;PeterL was your name in a pr ? 1094717;1428679260;PeterL;ummm, no, I guess not 1094718;1428679263;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Once you set the cows free they stop going to Walmart 1094719;1428679280;mircea_popescu;notheywon't. and fuck walmart anyway, let it come up with its own business. 1094720;1428679284;mircea_popescu;PeterL :p 1094721;1428679290;PeterL;darn correlation / causation 1094722;1428679291;mircea_popescu;had you said yes i'd have said "put it in your cv" 1094723;1428679318;mircea_popescu;PeterL do they pay you in fourleaf clovers ? 1094724;1428679328;PeterL;what? 1094725;1428679347;mircea_popescu;isn't it an irish outfit ? 1094726;1428679348;BingoBoingo;PeterL: You work for leprechauns 1094727;1428679356;PeterL;no, but a perk is access to the company store to get cheap drugs 1094728;1428679367;mircea_popescu;so when's the rave ? 1094729;1428679379;PeterL;you rave with ibuprofen? 1094730;1428679393;mircea_popescu;i actually knew a 15yo set that did. 1094731;1428679419;PeterL;well, the company is "Irish", the CEO is here in michigan 1094732;1428679446;BingoBoingo;PeterL: So he's a muslim leprechaun? 1094733;1428679478;PeterL;muslims are all on the other side of the state, western MI is about as white as they come 1094734;1428679523;mircea_popescu;women have no race either, that's a male thing. 1094735;1428679549;PeterL;why don't women have race? 1094736;1428679566;mircea_popescu;cuz men will fuck anything ? 1094737;1428679695;PeterL;that makes no sense to me 1094738;1428679725;mircea_popescu;it makes no sense to me either! 1094739;1428679799;mircea_popescu;so check it out, Barbara Spyridon Pope, some woman briefly in a desk job at pentagon, refused Duvall McClellan Williams, Jr's whitewashing report on the tailhook thing. because this is a thing now, derpy bureaucrats can tell read admirals no. hey, "civil control of military". 1094740;1428679807;mircea_popescu;after which her career abruptly ended and the guy resigned. 1094741;1428679829;mircea_popescu;seems an extremely illuminating case to trace gender wars in us politics, this. 1094742;1428679927;mircea_popescu;"Upon leaving government service, Pope joined Sunrise Senior Living as Director of Special Needs Assisted Living " << i wonder if they make her change adult diapers for the rest of her life now because of that incident. 1094743;1428680208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108389 @ 0.00028322 = 30.6979 BTC [+] 1094744;1428680391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69455 @ 0.00028426 = 19.7433 BTC [+] {2} 1094745;1428680397;Adlai;fluffypony: your turd is even fatter than satoshi's 1094746;1428680452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48186 @ 0.00027226 = 13.1191 BTC [-] 1094747;1428680483;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1094644 << ah that they seriously intend to "release"... 1094748;1428680483;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 12:49:45; mike_c: this is from the ethereum github repo. and have no fear buddy, they took your code. 1094749;1428681117;mod6;!t m s.mpoe 1094750;1428681117;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023945 / 0.00027016 / 0.00029109 (7922185 shares, 2,140.28 BTC), 7D: 0.00023945 / 0.00027154 / 0.00031364 (18190603 shares, 4,939.59 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00027992 / 0.00040484 (113178735 shares, 31,681.21 BTC) 1094751;1428681123;mod6;;;bc,stats 1094752;1428681128;gribble;Current Blocks: 351544 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1255 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 17 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48128497535.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.6653 1094753;1428681150;mod6;;;ticker 1094754;1428681152;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 233.49, Best ask: 233.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 233.5, 24 hour volume: 31840.36691804, 24 hour low: 231.0, 24 hour high: 245.44, 24 hour vwap: None 1094755;1428681821;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1094756;1428681950;mod6;ya 1094757;1428682588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.01468924 = 2.9378 BTC [+] {6} 1094758;1428682591;kakobrekla;nuts > bitcoin 1094759;1428682603;mod6; mircea_popescu et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pogos.jpg << cool! bringing these with you? 1094760;1428682612;mircea_popescu;lol 1094761;1428683545;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1094762;1428683565;ben_vulpes; yeah? you claiming to be gandhi now :) << mike_c gets it 1094763;1428683621;ascii_field;now who wants to tell me why it took so long to do to 'trezor' what i suggested doing to it immediately upon learning of the circuit ? 1094764;1428683628;ascii_field;'for the love of god, montrezor!' (TM) 1094765;1428683718;mike_c;um. obvious retort is obvious? 1094766;1428683747;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1094362 << how so? 1094767;1428683747;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 01:04:50; asciilifeform: because it declares war on microshit and unix, 'a pox on both their houses' 1094768;1428683758;mike_c;(as i patiently wait for cardano) 1094769;1428683761;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: it carries own stdlib 1094770;1428683807;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: and even has own threading mechanism, scheduler. 1094771;1428683808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100300 @ 0.00028657 = 28.743 BTC [+] 1094772;1428683842;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: as a result, it is actually much easier to - usably - plant ada on 'bare metal' (sans os) than nearly anything else 1094773;1428683846;mircea_popescu;ascii_field because idiots are empowered now. 1094774;1428683852;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: wai wat 1094775;1428683856;mircea_popescu;they don't have to do anything! they're dragons! 1094776;1428683916;mircea_popescu;i guess re-reading this is ambiguous. did you mean "do to trezor" as in, fixing ? or as in, exploiting ? 1094777;1428683931;ascii_field;the latter 1094778;1428683946;mircea_popescu;my bad then 1094779;1428683951;ascii_field;(it is braindamaged in several fundamental ways, and it is foolish to speak of 'fixing') 1094780;1428683959;mike_c;oh, me too. I retract my retort. 1094781;1428683982;mircea_popescu;(of course, but then again...) 1094782;1428683993;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/#comment-113588 << there. 1094783;1428683993;assbot;Sooo... FetLife is butthurt. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwji5H ) 1094784;1428684131;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: this is the boon of late adolescence/early adulthood : that you can do any stressful job and you'll be fine. what you can't really do is slef-manage tho. which is kind of why i'm indignant over all the wastage sv/the us generally is doing to these eager kids making them "ceos" of "start-ups". << hence, >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2015#1094083 1094785;1428684131;assbot;Logged on 09-04-2015 20:13:46; ascii_field: can't speak for mats, but basic idea is that once you leave your meatwot, you are a fungible machine. this is a situation that, as mats put it, 'resets you to entry level' - and overwhelmingly favours the very young 1094786;1428684456;ben_vulpes;apropos only of teakettles, trinque told me about some POS hardware returning a 418 TEAPOT in production 1094787;1428684480;ascii_field;point of shit ? 1094788;1428684481;ascii_field;piece of sale ? 1094789;1428684499;ben_vulpes;piece of shit point of sale 1094790;1428684523;mircea_popescu;lol 1094791;1428684679;mircea_popescu;ascii_field expound on the linkage ? 1094792;1428684803;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: that it is not unreasonable to say 'i will not compete with 16 y.o. if i have any choice in the matter' 1094793;1428684817;mircea_popescu;certainly. 1094794;1428684822;ascii_field;microscope does not want to be a hammer 1094795;1428684834;ascii_field;and isn't much good as one 1094796;1428684834;mircea_popescu;depends, really. i readily compete with 16yo boys over 16yo girls. 1094797;1428684839;mircea_popescu;doesnt go over that badly, either. 1094798;1428684863;mircea_popescu;https://blog.qwant.com/loi-sur-le-renseignement/ << apparently the frenchies have their own search engine, and stuff. 1094799;1428684864;assbot;Blog Qwant | Notre décryptage de la loi sur le renseignement ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwlGJq ) 1094800;1428684983;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the boys are biologically equipped only to be cannon fodder, really 1094801;1428685057;mircea_popescu;hence, depends. 1094802;1428685150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32850 @ 0.00028657 = 9.4138 BTC [+] 1094803;1428685602;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1094804;1428685664;ascii_field;!s breathe vacuum 1094805;1428685665;assbot;4 results for 'breathe vacuum' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=breathe+vacuum 1094806;1428685790;mircea_popescu;omg wai so cryptic! 1094807;1428685936;wyrdmantis;lol, Wence Cesares called “Patient Zero” of Bitcoin in Silicon Valley 1094808;1428685938;wyrdmantis;http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/244859 1094809;1428685939;assbot;Why Billionaire Investor Reid Hoffman Is Betting Big on Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwoFli ) 1094810;1428686058;mircea_popescu;is this for a new thing or still zappo ? 1094811;1428686076;ascii_field;which, iirc, doesn't even work in usa... 1094812;1428686104;mircea_popescu;ascii_field guy is very talented at basically anna nicole smith's job. 1094813;1428686122;ascii_field;pr0n ? 1094814;1428686147;mircea_popescu;more like entertaining lonely rich gentlemen. 1094815;1428686154;ascii_field;l0l 1094816;1428686166;mircea_popescu;i thought reid hoffman is the original model for that forever alone figurine no ? 1094817;1428686174;ascii_field;he oughta do something more stimulating with the money. like have a golden toilet cast. 1094818;1428686207;mircea_popescu;http://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/550af91ee4b096f94fa577cf/620x434.jpg <> http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/meme/images/9/91/4char-forever-alone-guy-high-resolution.png/revision/latest?cb=20110905121935 1094819;1428686209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwpkTR ) 1094820;1428686209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwpkTV ) 1094821;1428686236;mircea_popescu;a) it's not really as much money as you imagine and b) i forget. 1094822;1428686250;ascii_field;i mean, wtf. i actually tried to put some chumpatronium in the hopper and all i got was 'eggog' 1094823;1428686268;mircea_popescu;wait wut ? 1094824;1428686281;ascii_field;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Elektronika_MK_52_with_ERROR.jpg/400px-Elektronika_MK_52_with_ERROR.jpg 1094825;1428686283;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwpxGq ) 1094826;1428686326;mircea_popescu;lol 1094827;1428686330;mircea_popescu;can you be specific ? 1094828;1428686337;mircea_popescu;oh, tried to use the site ? 1094829;1428686342;ascii_field;aha 1094830;1428686347;ascii_field;(a while ago) 1094831;1428686404;ascii_field;https://2ch.hk/pr/src/416689/14185641139150.jpg 1094832;1428686407;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwpQB3 ) 1094833;1428686445;ben_vulpes;what. is. that. 1094834;1428686465;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: elektronika mk-61 1094835;1428686477;ascii_field;legendary programmable pocket calculator 1094836;1428686478;ben_vulpes;but the dick and spear? 1094837;1428686489;ascii_field;like i knew. 1094838;1428686526;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: icon from forum, https://2ch.hk/pr/res/416689.html 1094839;1428686529;assbot;Программирование - Решил на досуге заебенить ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwq2Ak ) 1094840;1428686533;ben_vulpes;every photo in b-a is like this. "here's this sort of illustrative image relevant to our conversation." "what lead to that photo being taken?" "like i could fucking know..." 1094841;1428686538;mircea_popescu;Attention Required! | CloudFlare 1094842;1428686541;mircea_popescu;herp. what is it ? 1094843;1428686593;mircea_popescu;

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1094845;1428686608;mircea_popescu;motherfucker corpspeak. they ask the questions, they fail to fucking answer. 1094846;1428686615;mircea_popescu;that's not "why", motherfuckers. 1094847;1428686645;mircea_popescu;that's "what do i get for". why is something entirely the fuck else, mentally stunted bunch of business school rejects. 1094848;1428686725;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes here's one for you : http://38.media.tumblr.com/43f59756875c7c25d3f5eb69d51486ad/tumblr_nfi5h5II0v1t6aip4o1_500.gif 1094849;1428686727;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IzTfwM ) 1094850;1428686734;mircea_popescu;subplot : why the fuck is the dude wearing pink panties. 1094851;1428686747;ascii_field;https://2ch.hk/pr/src/416689/14186615103850.jpg (cpu) ; https://2ch.hk/pr/src/416689/14185751153750.png (sram close-up) 1094852;1428686750;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IzTjfY ) 1094853;1428686767;ascii_field;all photos taken by enthusiasts 1094854;1428686774;ascii_field;original design was lost in the collapse of su 1094855;1428686787;ascii_field;and had to be laboriously restored, by folks who loved the machine to death 1094856;1428686797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93200 @ 0.00028657 = 26.7083 BTC [+] 1094857;1428686798;ascii_field;the purpose of this was to create a bug-compatible emulator 1094858;1428686811;ascii_field;(many beloved proggies, passed around on grid paper, used the cpu bugs) 1094859;1428686811;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yeah, sure. 'zactly. 1094860;1428686829;mircea_popescu;wait, there's more. http://40.media.tumblr.com/70c01db6e1107493d666d370769b6552/tumblr_n9yjs0ADuM1rhnc6uo1_1280.jpg 1094861;1428686830;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IzTvMa ) 1094862;1428686849;ben_vulpes;amusingly, both of these can be pretty readily reasoned about 1094863;1428686860;ben_vulpes;much more so than the calculator with dick and spear 1094864;1428686884;ben_vulpes;people shooting pr0n, girl likes attention 1094865;1428686892;ben_vulpes;panties are a great touch tho lol 1094866;1428686894;ascii_field;https://2ch.hk/pr/src/416689/14188936319390.jpg 1094867;1428686896;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwqPkZ ) 1094868;1428686906;mircea_popescu;i thought the dickspear idea is pretty pervasive. 1094869;1428686917;ascii_field;left hand: 'most popular prog. langs.' bottom left: 'but how about mk-61?' 1094870;1428686920;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/31696eea7ab39fcbb93e43d3acda9be6/tumblr_nevt3bs2mS1tejsb9o1_1280.jpg ? 1094871;1428686922;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwqX3J ) 1094872;1428686959;ascii_field;the font face is roughly cyrillic's equivalent of german 'blackletter' 1094873;1428686964;mircea_popescu;(yes, yes, pr0n. but why the derpy teens in polo shirts!) 1094874;1428686989;ben_vulpes;mis en scene? 1094875;1428687010;ben_vulpes;*mise-en-scéne, i mean to say 1094876;1428687027;mircea_popescu;one of those derpy "dating seminars" gone awry 1094877;1428687078;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: https://2ch.hk/pr/res/416689.html#454485 << translation exercise 1094878;1428687082;assbot;Программирование - Решил на досуге заебенить ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwrjYn ) 1094879;1428687091;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i can't get that site. 1094880;1428687091;ascii_field;but it could almost have been written by mircea_popescu ... 1094881;1428687096;ascii_field;l0l wut 1094882;1428687104;mircea_popescu;cloudfail. 1094883;1428687105;mircea_popescu;see above. 1094884;1428687119;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/19C1P7K.txt << here ya go 1094885;1428687120;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwrrHe ) 1094886;1428687146;mircea_popescu;heh it couldn't be written by mp. i never signed anon in my lyf. 1094887;1428687153;ascii_field;other than it. 1094888;1428687168;mircea_popescu;lol subhuman larvae! 1094889;1428687185;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wretched parodies! 1094890;1428687231;mircea_popescu;ah no. i don't despise prostitutes. 1094891;1428687262;mircea_popescu;moreover, i hold actual whores in higher regard than most other professions. certainly i give social precedence to a whore over a us college professor. 1094892;1428687281;mircea_popescu;i guess hating on hos kinda comes with russian culture huh. 1094893;1428687350;mircea_popescu;быдлокодинга < ? bydlo-kodinga! 1094894;1428687351;mircea_popescu;ajhahaha 1094895;1428687390;mircea_popescu;perfect word this. "dude, stop with the bydlokodinga!" "did someone bydlokodinga libnss ?" 1094896;1428687411;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1094897;1428687489;mircea_popescu;and btw ascii_field, is быдло ukr or ru ? 1094898;1428687493;ascii_field;ru 1094899;1428687509;mircea_popescu;also polish bydlo, same usage. 1094900;1428687511;ascii_field;originally, roughly 'cattle' but archaicism and means something like what 'redneck' in usa 1094901;1428687567;mircea_popescu;it means more like what redneck should mean. 1094902;1428687585;mircea_popescu;nowadays redneck simply means "someone who doesn't think transexuals have a special gender and gay marriage is a thing" 1094903;1428687650;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/cecc3c213c49633eba86ba638a56c311/tumblr_my65023EFp1s5egydo1_400.gif << this is like, THE picture of fucking societal decay. chick's having a lulzfit at guy who's too absorbed in gadget to do anything. 1094904;1428687651;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwsNl9 ) 1094905;1428687668;Chillum;I think that law should not consider "gender" at all, leave it as a social construct 1094906;1428687699;mircea_popescu;Chillum why would society consider law at all ? 1094907;1428687721;mircea_popescu;i mean your proposal sounds sensible, but only if one (mistakenly) imagines law can exist sorta out of itself. it can't. 1094908;1428687745;mircea_popescu;once law ceases to be an instrument of convenient social oppression, it ceases to matter. 1094909;1428687767;mircea_popescu;yes, it shouldn't inconveniently oppress. but that does NOT mean it should not oppress at all. tho i see how that mistake is easy to make. 1094910;1428687773;Chillum;What I mean is that just as the religion of two people is irrelevant for marriage in the eyes of the law, so should be gender 1094911;1428687783;mircea_popescu;i know what you mean .do you know what i mean ? 1094912;1428687789;Chillum;without some form of oppression humans will descend into violent anarchy 1094913;1428687793;Chillum;not really 1094914;1428687796;mircea_popescu;aha. 1094915;1428687833;mircea_popescu;see, law is in and of itself meaningless and powerless. if it reflects deeply held societal beliefs, it is powerful. which is why it was powerful in the old christian days, pre 1000 ad. 1094916;1428687849;mircea_popescu;it lost that pillar of support. but it reconstructed some sort of balance around the remainder. 1094917;1428687861;mircea_popescu;then it lost gender. it's teetering, and i don't think it's any longer sustainable at all. 1094918;1428687892;mircea_popescu;why would anyone obey the law ? it says nothing about their beliefs, it fails to make the world meaningful. 1094919;1428687911;mircea_popescu;could as well obey this law as any other, and in the end none at all. 1094920;1428688024;mircea_popescu;the entire "we're obeying the law because the law produces foodstamps" and "keeps the terrorists at bay" doesn't really look too functional at any rate. 1094921;1428688037;mircea_popescu;certainly wasn't the last time this was tried. 1094922;1428688062;ascii_field;--- translation. mega-paste warning ---- 1094923;1428688071;ascii_field;3, 2, 1... 1094924;1428688075;ascii_field;'But what, specifically, remains for the poor students and wankers, who took up the notion that there is such a profession - "programmer" ? Yes, there is, but not in the sense that these larval untermenschen conceive of it. Some see in this role something just short of the demiurge, crafting the future; others see a good way to set up their life, secure their future, a stable income and career growth. 1094925;1428688075;ascii_field;But the pathetic parody of a human does not grasp that it is not enough to have a cock's crest bachelor degree or to spoodge out a few pages of code at an olympiad, to become a programmer. In the course of this revelation, the lame abortus, reject of evolution, slowly begins to comprehend that the world is very much not as he imagined it. 1094926;1428688076;ascii_field;The apprehension of one's inadequacy begins, of the futility of one's existence, the principal impossibility of fulfilling one's idiotic desires. But there is always a choice. If the first variant prevails, he will press on with self-improvement, the study of genuinely worthy technologies, on which there can be foundations for the creation of something better. And he will understand that no one needs him as a smart-arse. 1094927;1428688083;ascii_field;Or what remains - the other variant - to dive into the common flow of the sewers, and take hold of a passing piece of shit and feed upon it for the rest of one's pathetic life. Some are satisfied with this, just as many are satisfied with the profession of the prostitute, the cleaner of latrines, a waiter in MacDuck, etc. But a more or less normal person begins to experience breakage in his value system, worldview; 1094928;1428688088;ascii_field;thoughts concerning the futility of his existence begin to intrude upon him, of futility; old complexes sharpen, and flower into a full-blown psychological crisis... 1094929;1428688091;ascii_field;Yes, once upon a time, the "programmer" was a serious engineering profession with a shade of elite status. In those years, genuine mastery of certain technologies was demanded from him, and this was not attainable by all. Whereas today any Downs-syntrome-autist can call himself a programmer, because he has mastered the basics of redneck-coding and will work for food. As for genuine professionals - like in many other 1094930;1428688096;ascii_field;related fields - they are no longer in demand today. Therefore there is not much choice: sign for your supper by the latrine [ru prison parlance - transl. note] or silently rot in full consciousness of your total bankruptcy and futility of existence.' 1094931;1428688154;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you know you really should blog/link these things. srsly. 1094932;1428688162;ascii_field;it's just a fscking translation 1094933;1428688169;mircea_popescu;so ? 1094934;1428688176;ascii_field;and i blogged about more or less same thing for 7+ yrs, to no effect 1094935;1428688201;mircea_popescu;dude, let's burn the library of alexandria because nobody ever read it. i bet that's how it actually went down. 1094936;1428688205;ascii_field;(in case this was not clear, the ru original was not mine, and was found by accident) 1094937;1428688210;mircea_popescu;whjat the fuck difference does it make to the book how many read it? 1094938;1428688224;mircea_popescu;just put it there so it can be found conveniently and forget about it. 1094939;1428688231;mircea_popescu;there's no "higher purpose" or anything 1094940;1428688273;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: don't get me wrong, i shall write again. and yes - for the archaeologists, as before. but presently cut among 1) dayjob 2) s.nsa 3) sleep,eat,...,write 1094941;1428688303;mircea_popescu;my point is softer than that. specifically, it is that simply having put this there would not have tarnished your blog, but been smart an' convenient. 1094942;1428688313;mircea_popescu;it's an article just fine. 1094943;1428688322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250300 @ 0.00028501 = 71.338 BTC [-] {2} 1094944;1428688373;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: feel free to recycle it into your next mega-article if you feel like 1094945;1428688403;mircea_popescu;"here's some shit i stole off a guy i know". 1094946;1428688408;mircea_popescu;what am i, a sf writer ? 1094947;1428688414;ascii_field;which he stole from some anon... 1094948;1428688415;ascii_field;l0l 1094949;1428688450;mircea_popescu;is this true btw ? i am sensing this trendwhere people go "real professionals are not in demand" 1094950;1428688457;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, this seems untrue ? 1094951;1428688461;ascii_field;i cited that thing merely because it is a compact statement of essentials of naggumism. 1094952;1428688469;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is not untrue, unfortunately 1094953;1428688476;ascii_field;for the reason which i tried to explain last night 1094954;1428688478;ascii_field;about meat-wots 1094955;1428688495;mircea_popescu;i am unconvinced. there must be more to it. 1094956;1428688503;ascii_field;don't take my word for it. 1094957;1428688559;ascii_field;!s deskilling 1094958;1428688560;assbot;4 results for 'deskilling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deskilling 1094959;1428688584;ascii_field;(not sure if the phenomenon is presently discussed under than name, or discussed at all for that matter. but it does have a name.) 1094960;1428688651;mircea_popescu;i suppose to the degree this phenomenon exists, it is driven by the feminization of the internet (the sort of retarded behaviour illustrated by that comment i quoted earlier). 1094961;1428688672;ascii_field;nope. it is driven by perfectly legit economics 1094962;1428688676;mircea_popescu;if this is true, which i still doubt but perhaps just as an artefact of my limied circle, then the pill is simply destruction of the legal protections. 1094963;1428688681;ascii_field;same as the 'wriggleys gum' and plastification of industry 1094964;1428688689;mircea_popescu;if a company can either secure its network or lose its ass... then the professional will be in demand. 1094965;1428688713;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not if 'arse covering' works as well as 'secure' 1094966;1428688715;mircea_popescu;if women have it, and "do what i mean" and "i should be safe whether im naked drunk or not", then yes, semiskilled shanonizers in microsoft garb everywhere. 1094967;1428688725;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yes, because evolutionary pressure. 1094968;1428688736;mircea_popescu;makes no difference for a bankrupt corp why it's bankrupt. still out of sight. 1094969;1428688763;ascii_field;evolutionary pressure knows how to lead to two places 1094970;1428688766;ascii_field;adaptation 1094971;1428688769;mircea_popescu;in any case, this would present excellent cause to disallow acces of women trying to appear *as women* in this field. either they learn how to be men or learn to live without participating in technology. 1094972;1428688770;ascii_field;or extinction. 1094973;1428688788;mircea_popescu;i must say im still broadly unconvinced by the entire thing. 1094974;1428688809;mircea_popescu;chetty ^ give the foregoing a read would you. 1094975;1428688811;ascii_field;let's narrow down -which- particular thing mircea_popescu is unconvinced by, before i answer 1094976;1428688826;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that there is no serious demand for highly skilled computerizers 1094977;1428688853;ascii_field;there -is- demand, but it is -extremely- meat-wot-gated 1094978;1428688859;mircea_popescu;so it should be. 1094979;1428688869;ascii_field;because of the sheer pressure of orcs at the gate and the paucity of the positions 1094980;1428688879;mircea_popescu;this simply reflects stuff discussed all over trilema. why would it not be. 1094981;1428688886;mircea_popescu;no, not because of that at all. 1094982;1428688889;mike_c;i don't understand. maybe you are saying there is no demand for exactly what you want to do? there is plenty of demand for smart programmers. 1094983;1428688894;ascii_field;but so narrowly tight to the extent that the practitioners have lost all negotiating leverage. 1094984;1428688898;mircea_popescu;mike_c i thought so too. 1094985;1428688903;mircea_popescu;wut ?! 1094986;1428688904;mike_c;you could walk into google tomorrow and command an absurd salary 1094987;1428688925;mike_c;or a dozen other companies. very limited wot necessary. 1094988;1428688928;ascii_field;mike_c: entirely not the profession i was speaking of. 1094989;1428688940;mircea_popescu;mike_c it's very dissonant for me because he seems to come from this place where exactly the opposite of what i see is true. backwards world of alf. 1094990;1428688947;ascii_field;as different as 'wife' and 'prostitute' 1094991;1428688950;ascii_field;even more so, arguably. 1094992;1428688951;mircea_popescu;can't quite pin down wtf this is. 1094993;1428688957;mircea_popescu;ascii_field specifically ? 1094994;1428688967;mike_c;so be clear about the position you are looking for that doesn't exist? 1094995;1428689008;ascii_field;mike_c: roughly, 'problem solver' 1094996;1428689037;mike_c;what's an example of a problem you would be asked to solve in this position. 1094997;1428689041;ascii_field;i can say quite securely that no one at 'google' is employed in this capacity. 1094998;1428689060;ascii_field;mike_c: 'we have xxxxx and have not the slightest idea what to do about it' 1094999;1428689062;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: doesn't want to "work". he wants to "think". 1095000;1428689072;mircea_popescu;"problem solver" is either a) cocky bs major from minessotta (we had examples ridiculed in here) or else b) collin powell. 1095001;1428689081;mike_c;that's not an example :) what's a xxxxx. 1095002;1428689081;mircea_popescu;which did you mean ? and neither of these are programmers. 1095003;1428689084;ascii_field;or, more related to my current gig, 'we have yyyyyy and wish to know why it was made, by whom, what it does, it fell out of flying saucer' 1095004;1428689098;mike_c;ok, so this is.. a circuit board? 1095005;1428689106;ascii_field;mike_c: occasionally 1095006;1428689109;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "here's this binary, find out what it does" ? 1095007;1428689115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144250 @ 0.00028731 = 41.4445 BTC [+] {3} 1095008;1428689127;ascii_field;^ most of it, in my particular case 1095009;1428689142;mircea_popescu;ascii_field so this would be in demand either a) by the nsa or else b) independent work a la s.nsa 1095010;1428689147;mircea_popescu;why is this counterintuitive ? 1095011;1428689165;mike_c;seems also flavors of this job would be present at security firms. 1095012;1428689178;mircea_popescu;except he doesn't want tyo compete with the 16yos those guys hire. 1095013;1428689189;mircea_popescu;and i understand WHY they hire the way they do, with contests etc. 1095014;1428689191;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it will make more sense if i reveal that 1095015;1428689195;mircea_popescu;whole security profession is done on a shoestring 1095016;1428689199;ascii_field;the fact that most of what i do is not brute labour 1095017;1428689203;mircea_popescu;recall trhe $100 top prize. 1095018;1428689206;mike_c;not whole, just most. like any other field. 1095019;1428689209;ascii_field;but invention of tools to speed up the process 1095020;1428689225;mircea_popescu;ascii_field your problem is that you're premarket in that. 1095021;1428689227;ascii_field;and enable particular flavours of reverse engineering which are otherwise impossible 1095022;1428689235;mircea_popescu;like invention of tools to make aeroplanes safer in 1915 1095023;1428689242;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1095024;1428689251;ascii_field;i'm afraid that i cannot say more without breaking oath to the personal friends for whom i carry out this work. 1095025;1428689261;mircea_popescu;... 1095026;1428689270;mircea_popescu;did he just bitch about meatbased wots FROM INSIDE ? 1095027;1428689271;mike_c;it sounds like you've got the job you want. so what's the problem? you need more jobs? 1095028;1428689280;mircea_popescu;alf needs a beating. 1095029;1428689281;ascii_field;mike_c: say you have a boat 1095030;1428689286;ascii_field;nice, aye ? 1095031;1428689291;ascii_field;but what if it goes down 1095032;1428689291;mike_c;money pit, but ok. 1095033;1428689299;mike_c;see, i told you it was a money pit. 1095034;1428689302;mircea_popescu;lmao 1095035;1428689310;mircea_popescu;you considered it, eh mikey! 1095036;1428689316;ascii_field;and if mast breaks off in the storm 1095037;1428689319;ascii_field;it is a small boat. 1095038;1428689349;mircea_popescu;for your peace of mind : the last time a mast broke off in a storm the year was 1715. 1095039;1428689370;mike_c;idk.. you are looking for a very specialized type of job. I don't think you'll get far complaining there aren't a lot of them. 1095040;1428689400;ascii_field;mike_c: what i did before, was entirely else - high-performance computing for chemical modelling 1095041;1428689406;mircea_popescu;ascii_field btw, how about you get them personal friends in the wot and start a something. 1095042;1428689414;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: diametric is in wot 1095043;1428689415;mircea_popescu;the sluts are not gonna fuck themselves. 1095044;1428689419;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the other fella lost his key 1095045;1428689421;mike_c;yeah, build your next boat. 1095046;1428689421;ascii_field;i think 1095047;1428689458;ascii_field;but they're the kind of folks with offspring, mortgages, etc. 1095048;1428689474;mircea_popescu;incidentally : if your boat breask "by itself" nudge nudge grin grin, you can go back to biochem. 1095049;1428689480;mircea_popescu;you have any fucking idea how desperate those guys are ? 1095050;1428689484;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: actually 1095051;1428689486;mircea_popescu;sheeet, they even took bugpowder in. 1095052;1428689490;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: why do you suppose i'm not there 1095053;1428689495;ascii_field;the field died. 1095054;1428689503;mircea_popescu;no it didn't. it's back. 1095055;1428689505;ascii_field;most of the pharma folks closed down r&d entirely. 1095056;1428689511;ascii_field;it is 'obama-back' not back. 1095057;1428689520;mircea_popescu;it's back, baby. 1095058;1428689524;mike_c;but the safety net is still there. regardless of that, you could get a high paying job in software. just not one you want. 1095059;1428689539;mike_c;so work on your own goddamn boat with the confidence you won't end up on the street. 1095060;1428689554;mircea_popescu;tbh i suspect he uses this as a motivator, 1095061;1428689560;mircea_popescu;so... 1095062;1428689575;ascii_field;high-paying job that kills the mind is a suicide. 1095063;1428689588;mike_c;right, which is why you should build your own boat... 1095064;1428689590;mircea_popescu;hey, lemme tell you something. 1095065;1428689602;mircea_popescu;list of things slavegirls think aforehand "kill the mind" ? 559876985975 items. 1095066;1428689608;mircea_popescu;list of things actually killing the mind ? 0, so far. 1095067;1428689611;mircea_popescu;i haven't found any. 1095068;1428689640;mike_c;i think you are unqualified in that field. the wrong job is pretty mind numbing, especially if you don't see the path away from it. 1095069;1428689650;mircea_popescu;intelligent person can not stay unqualified. 1095070;1428689652;ascii_field;i spent ~3 yrs, fresh from school, actually honest-programming-for-money 1095071;1428689654;mircea_popescu;ever. no matter the field. 1095072;1428689656;ascii_field;will never get the iq points back. 1095073;1428689659;ascii_field;it is palpable. 1095074;1428689663;mircea_popescu;no it's not. 1095075;1428689667;mike_c;s/unqualified/inexperienced/ 1095076;1428689671;ben_vulpes;that's just aging, asci 1095077;1428689683;mircea_popescu;and as nubbins would point out, not doing enough whippets. 1095078;1428689688;mircea_popescu;or doing too many. i forget which. 1095079;1428689692;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: how much did you age from 22-25 ? 1095080;1428689696;ben_vulpes;about 3 years 1095081;1428689731;ben_vulpes;did applied thermofluids during that time. could feel the slowdown hit. 1095082;1428689755;mircea_popescu;im i the only guy too absorbed in self-love to notice this phenomenon ? 1095083;1428689762;ascii_field;mircea_popescu sleeps ad libitum 1095084;1428689766;mircea_popescu;i was fucking dumb at 22, and less dumb but still fucking dumb at 25. 1095085;1428689774;ascii_field;i - age two weeks every time my alarm clock rings. 1095086;1428689774;mircea_popescu;not by "normal" terms, but retrospectively it grates. 1095087;1428689821;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: is there a difference between how smart/dumb one is and how quickly or slowly one learns? 1095088;1428689855;mircea_popescu;depends ben_vulpes. the problem chiefly is that as the mental models get much better, learning speed collapses. 1095089;1428689886;ben_vulpes;"this notion is strongly similar to these other notions i'm already familiar with, so i'll integrate it more quickly"? 1095090;1428689889;mircea_popescu;of course this could be backed in my case by a solid wall of "i don't have to do anything i don' want to do" 1095091;1428689915;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes much deeper than that. like "i readily see THE REAL REASON this is so, so i can skip eighteen paragraphs worth of confused "explicatory" nonsense 1095092;1428689922;mircea_popescu;that a lesser brain would have fucked with for eight weeks" 1095093;1428689961;mircea_popescu;and yes, probably the 22 me would have gotten through the fucking with phase in seven weeks and it'd take me 9 now if i tried it. 1095094;1428689982;mircea_popescu;but im not going to because i see wtf that is freom a mile away, including the gender of the author and her parenting errors in her own kids. 1095095;1428690250;mircea_popescu;anyway. i wouldn't want to go back to being 20 anymore than i'd want to re-take kindergarten. 1095096;1428690491;ascii_field;'knowing what parts to skip' is -the- wunderwaffen. 1095097;1428690574;ascii_field;but this is a rather separate component of effective intelligence 1095098;1428690577;mircea_popescu;for sure. 1095099;1428690578;ascii_field;like the tires of a car 1095100;1428690588;ascii_field;the spiffiest tires will not turn 'trabant' into 'mazerati' 1095101;1428690593;ascii_field;though opposite - sure. 1095102;1428690602;mircea_popescu;that's a good approach to explain it : imagine you can disqualify bad teachers earlier. well... that's definitely saving time. 1095103;1428690623;ascii_field;'the eagle never lost so much as when studied from the crow' or what was it 1095104;1428690628;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1095105;1428690643;mircea_popescu;another approach to it is to point out that human brains leak like a fucking sieve. 1095106;1428690650;mircea_popescu;as you tighen things up, you crash less often 1095107;1428690661;mircea_popescu;if you crash less often, you need less computer time to do the same work. 1095108;1428690687;mircea_popescu;so : better mental models, less domain lossage - > mega shrinkage of time and effort required. 1095109;1428690703;mircea_popescu;perhaps the cpu also gets tired, but the rate of loss due to that has not yet been apparent, at least to me. 1095110;1428690707;ascii_field;'notation is worth 80 iq point' (TM) 1095111;1428690713;mircea_popescu;quite. 1095112;1428690731;ascii_field;and to this well-known maxim i will add mine, 'giving a fuck about the problem is worth 100 iq points' 1095113;1428690740;mircea_popescu;hence the earlier "solid wall" 1095114;1428690773;mircea_popescu;see, and this is a FINE example of what i mean by "leak like a sieve". your observation was in fact accounted for in my model. because i hadn't leaked it. because it doesn't leak there. 1095115;1428690779;ascii_field;the real reason i will not compete with the 16 y.o. is not stamina per se, but that i cannot trick my brain into actually caring 1095116;1428690809;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that gets extremely easier once you fuck his gf. you notice the subtle difference between the same object as he perceives it, and as it is. 1095117;1428690820;ascii_field;this is why i often say that in buenos aires i would have to learn shoemaking or the like 1095118;1428690821;mircea_popescu;then it suddenly becomes fascinating, like a puzzle of sorts. 1095119;1428690829;ascii_field;some sort of work that does not demand too much mental presence 1095120;1428690842;mircea_popescu;get a bike sharpen knives. 1095121;1428690851;ascii_field;aha that was what i was thinking of 1095122;1428690854;ascii_field;as in that photo. 1095123;1428690892;ascii_field;i'm not yet sold on the fact of that boy's existence being more fun than american jail. 1095124;1428690898;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel 1095125;1428690902;mircea_popescu;wha happened to your key yo 1095126;1428690903;gabriel_laddel;thank you 1095127;1428690915;gabriel_laddel;it isn't handy atm 1095128;1428690921;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: it is palpable. << Yep. Let's say, for example that you learn perl. Nothing you learn has any use outside of... writing perl. If you learn javascript, java, C++, scala etc. idem. The web and these related "technologies" are going away. All of the effort poured into learning them is wasted. 1095129;1428690938;mircea_popescu;but he never learned any of them in THAT sense. 1095130;1428690951;mircea_popescu;there's a guy who learns and his learning is wasted effort. there's a different guy who learns for sport. 1095131;1428690951;gabriel_laddel;Urbit is probably a good example for what I think stas is discussing. You can get paid very well so long as you are very active doing nothing. 1095132;1428690955;mircea_popescu;da fuck do i care latin's dead ? 1095133;1428690956;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: there is also such a thing as the mental equivalent of stretched arse-rape sphincter 1095134;1428690970;mircea_popescu;ascii_field doubt it 1095135;1428690990;mircea_popescu;for one thing, contrary to common belief, well used holes get better, not worse. woman is not made out of soap. 1095136;1428690995;mircea_popescu;for the other thing, the brain truely is plastic. 1095137;1428690998;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: learning latin is very different from learning $random-african-grunt-lang 1095138;1428691002;ascii_field;what i am speaking of is the effect i observed where folks learn to like fundamentally uninteresting concepts. 1095139;1428691006;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel how do you know this ? 1095140;1428691009;ascii_field;because they get off on the flourishes. 1095141;1428691015;ascii_field;e.g., c++. 1095142;1428691019;mircea_popescu;but these might have been broken before 1095143;1428691032;gabriel_laddel;because some of the $random-african-gruntlangs don't have any means to describe the future or past. 1095144;1428691047;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: ^ 1095145;1428691067;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel you're on very slippery ice sheet there. i'll save you the egg and point out that you can't form an apriori representation of why X model is no good. 1095146;1428691074;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1095147;1428691098;*;ascii_field is a believer in sapir-whorf to the extent that he very much observed the braindamage caused by imprinting on certain programming concepts, in a great many people. 1095148;1428691110;mircea_popescu;"imprinting" is pre-speech learning. 1095149;1428691116;mircea_popescu;one really should take control of that stuff. 1095150;1428691141;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: nonsene. We know any programming language that doesn't allow the operator to manipulate its own ast programmatically is going to waste the operator's time. 1095151;1428691153;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: ascii is discussing knowns. 1095152;1428691159;ascii_field;'imprinting' not in the strict zoological sense, but in that of having encountered a concept during 'formative years' when a fella is figuring out wtf 'a computer is' 1095153;1428691196;gabriel_laddel;^ I never would have thought of presentation systems unless I happened upon ascii_field's blog. 1095154;1428691212;gabriel_laddel;HTML/CSS/SWING/AWT ruined me. 1095155;1428691238;ascii_field;i've been fighting a largely losing battle for many years, attempting to convince folks to imagine - in their spare time - that a computer is not necessarily von neumann and the 50 yrs of shit soup 1095156;1428691309;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: actually, re-reading your last message - isn't that really an argument against abstraction period? 1095157;1428691310;gabriel_laddel;which... 1095158;1428691322;ascii_field;i will confess that it took me retardedly long time to understand that my hypothetical rebellion against the soup cannot be funded or organized for some very fundamental reasons 1095159;1428691341;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: nonsense. 1095160;1428691343;ascii_field;(short version - it is too much like the proverbial 'mars voyage' - counter-economic leap.) 1095161;1428691419;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: Sometime in the next 48 hours I'm going to drop some information in here regarding the #b-a distro, and when finished with that move on to finding funding again. 1095162;1428691435;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: the type of funding necessary cannot be 'found' 1095163;1428691448;ascii_field;it isn't hiding somewhere in the jungle 1095164;1428691480;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: we've already discussed this. I'm for doing it piecemeal because there are no other options. 1095165;1428691491;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: don't delude yourself that you are doing 'it' 1095166;1428691500;ascii_field;you are doing another thing, spray-painted to resemble 'it'. 1095167;1428691504;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: yep. 1095168;1428691510;ascii_field;because 'it' does not come into pieces. 1095169;1428691540;ascii_field;and it cannot be done under the thumb of vc sc4mz0rz 1095170;1428691555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144647 @ 0.00028761 = 41.6019 BTC [+] 1095171;1428691569;gabriel_laddel;I can't remember your exact words, but I think you said in here once "my time would have been better spent putting together a demo than blogging" 1095172;1428691613;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: to avoid rehashing ancient thread for a fifth time, stuck at the realization that reversing xilinx is futile. 1095173;1428691640;ascii_field;interested readers can find the threads. 1095174;1428691672;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel for one thing, natural languages can not be modelled in terms of computer langs. 1095175;1428691675;mircea_popescu;the latter are computable. 1095176;1428691709;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: iirc your argument was "it isn't worthwhile because if you succeed you'll not have enough of them to do anything interesting with" 1095177;1428691727;mircea_popescu;and no, it's not an argument against abstraction period. it's an argument against using abstractive methods outside of their domain of definition 1095178;1428691735;mircea_popescu;which is what "not leaking" is, in mathematical terms. 1095179;1428691768;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: not exactly. even if you could secure an infinite supply of the particular fpga, it turns out that they are not actually very general. in that you cannot efficiently implement muller c-gates in them. 1095180;1428691797;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: o. I thought that you could if they have an entirely known design? 1095181;1428691798;ascii_field;(before anyone spits back the old paper re: the fact of c-gates implemented on xilinx fabric - go and see how many of them you can fit. and how much room left for interconnects.) 1095182;1428691810;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: could do -something- but not -something worth doing- 1095183;1428691888;ascii_field;nor am i especially interested in building yet another computer with passive memory. 1095184;1428691907;ascii_field;memory as a device that just sits there, is a 20th c. idiocy. 1095185;1428691948;mircea_popescu;what'd you have it do ? 1095186;1428691956;ascii_field;bits expensively stored as charge on si ought to be available for computing asynchronously. 1095187;1428692036;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what'd you have it do << a number of things, which resolve to 'the contents ending up where needed by dependency-graph without being asked every time' 1095188;1428692039;mircea_popescu;if you do that the current addressing schemes would never work 1095189;1428692051;ascii_field;the current addressing schemes are retarded 1095190;1428692055;mircea_popescu;ie, you'd end up with half the space or more taken up by indexes 1095191;1428692067;mircea_popescu;but i have no doubt this is correct, chiefly because that';s how the brain works. 1095192;1428692077;mircea_popescu;incidnetally - would you also have the selective inhibition design ? 1095193;1428692083;ascii_field;certainly 1095194;1428692090;ascii_field;most of it does not need to be addressible at all 1095195;1428692115;mircea_popescu;aha. 1095196;1428692157;mircea_popescu;yeah, for none of this is any of the current toolchain useful, from plant to emacs. 1095197;1428692161;mircea_popescu;maybe the emacs. 1095198;1428692173;mircea_popescu;but this is good news : new stuff is cheaper to build than retooling old stuff. 1095199;1428692189;ascii_field;only 'useful' to the extent a lathe from newton's time was useful to creating today's. 1095200;1428692276;ascii_field;and i could have easily built all of this by 25 y.o. if martians had landed and given me the means. 1095201;1428692294;ascii_field;but that's not how it works 1095202;1428692340;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts. 1095203;1428692358;ascii_field;sure, could have tripped and fell to death in the bath. 1095204;1428692388;mircea_popescu;your first estimates are horrid, historically :D 1095205;1428692432;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: largely because i am not mircea_popescu and not in control of the variables. 1095206;1428692462;mircea_popescu;im just saying, alt-universes aren't much of a guide for anything. 1095207;1428692477;mircea_popescu;be happy if you manage to ever actually make it, or at least nudge towards it. 25 or 55. 1095208;1428692488;ascii_field;did not say that it is a definite guide (to what? l0l) 1095209;1428692503;ascii_field;but that i knew precisely what must be done to make a computer a tolerable thing, most of a decade ago. 1095210;1428692505;mircea_popescu;ascii_field> and i could have easily built all of this by 25 y.o. << 1095211;1428692524;mircea_popescu;well... maybe. practice has a theory all of its own 1095212;1428692536;mircea_popescu;in other news, here's a ben_vulpes scene. http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_letr2hFxlq1qe3i9to1_1280.jpg 1095213;1428692537;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IAak9P ) 1095214;1428692557;mircea_popescu;my question is, where did the guy find condoms that small. 1095215;1428692592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94300 @ 0.00028789 = 27.148 BTC [+] 1095216;1428692634;Chillum;I predict that in 25 years computer software will be full of bugs and vulnerabilities 1095217;1428692645;Chillum;and for all eternity until computers cease to exist 1095218;1428692662;ascii_field;^ which could be sooner than expected 1095219;1428692695;ascii_field;the gurl's expression !!! 1095220;1428692699;Chillum;well I have a stash of low wattage computers and some solar panels 1095221;1428692700;ascii_field;she is thinking, so intently 1095222;1428692709;Chillum;so unless they are taken away or destroyed I will have something 1095223;1428692709;ascii_field;'is goldbach's conjecture true ???' 1095224;1428692719;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/350a2def4fc98d6a2ac1c3e2ddb2aa86/tumblr_nb9gz1n6B21rnlorio1_500.gif << have another one then alf. sorry about the one you had to return. 1095225;1428692720;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ax3YcE ) 1095226;1428692725;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel 1095227;1428692732;mircea_popescu;Chillum is a prepper !? 1095228;1428692734;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: I'll note that without comprehensive design documents others have to retrace your steps entirely and anyone who is a fan of your work is running on grey goo pipe dreams. 1095229;1428692744;Chillum;mircea_popescu: gold, silver, equipment 1095230;1428692757;mircea_popescu;seriously ? 1095231;1428692759;Chillum;not prepared to live in the forest or anything 1095232;1428692778;Chillum;I expect currency failure 1095233;1428692783;mircea_popescu;wouldn't just keeping a bunch of drug dealers (actual kind, not the derps) on your rolodex work better for the purpoise ? 1095234;1428692783;ascii_field;i call ^ this style of prep 'tomb goods' 1095235;1428692787;Chillum;which will result in a desperation for any trade unit 1095236;1428692790;ascii_field;as what egyptians did. 1095237;1428692796;mircea_popescu;ascii_field same idea. 1095238;1428692799;ascii_field;leaving goodies for one's killers to pick up. 1095239;1428692826;Chillum;the only drugs I am stocking are antibiotics 1095240;1428692832;mircea_popescu;not items. people. 1095241;1428692856;Chillum;I prefer to deal with other types of people 1095242;1428692857;mircea_popescu;i am perhaps the only one here that has actually gone through a collapse, and if that's worth for anything - goods aren't helpful. 1095243;1428692862;Chillum;or none at all if it is an option 1095244;1428692884;mircea_popescu;they CAN be, but they can also not be, and it's hard to know aforehand. 1095245;1428692897;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204 1095246;1428692897;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road. 1095247;1428692899;mircea_popescu;wots on the other hand... can only be helpful. 1095248;1428692910;Chillum;I know during the collapse in Zimbabwe people went to the rivers to collect gold dust and pooled it to have food flown in from out of country 1095249;1428692928;Chillum;though a global collapse would be a different story 1095250;1428692932;mircea_popescu;Chillum did you read about it on wikipedia ? 1095251;1428692945;Chillum;it was a documentary 1095252;1428692949;mircea_popescu;but you see what i mean ? 1095253;1428692969;Chillum;I have not personally experienced such a situation 1095254;1428692987;mircea_popescu;nor have you read stuff written by people outside of this particular cultural space. 1095255;1428693000;Chillum;I read a journal from a woman in Germany when they had their hyperinflation. She was selling the links from her gold chain one at a time 1095256;1428693005;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as group delusion. that's how the french ended up with the urinals. 1095257;1428693007;Chillum;trading that is 1095258;1428693028;mircea_popescu;oh, the weimar stuff ? yeah that was incredibly disciplined. 1095259;1428693039;mircea_popescu;no "snipers in street" type of situation. 1095260;1428693053;Chillum;I read that the banks stopped serving accounts but still operated safe deposit boxes 1095261;1428693063;Chillum;not that I trust SDBs for more than a backup stash 1095262;1428693065;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima bbl. 1095263;1428693130;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1095264;1428693160;ascii_field;Chillum: consider the question of what kind of social structure has to be in place for the gold chain, etc. to remain yours to trade 1095265;1428693169;ascii_field;rather than ripped from your fresh corpse by whoever. 1095266;1428693216;ascii_field;or the absurdity you were asked to believe, that villagers could have 'food flown in' in exchange for collectively 'picking up gold flakes' 1095267;1428693252;Chillum;the idea behind broken bits of jewellery is that instead of coins that make you look rich it seems like you are selling petty amounts of scrap 1095268;1428693274;Chillum;I have a bag of damaged rings, half a pair of earrings, links that sort of stuff 1095269;1428693295;Chillum;the fact is that anyone with enough resources to survive will be a target 1095270;1428693301;Chillum;regardless of how they can afford those resources 1095271;1428693342;ascii_field;Chillum: the entire exercise is what i call a 'bear suit' 1095272;1428693376;ascii_field;there was once an engineer who occupied himself with the design of a kind of bathyscaph, a sort of 'mecha' suit in which one could survive being beaten and bitten by bears. 1095273;1428693385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163100 @ 0.00028789 = 46.9549 BTC [+] 1095274;1428693386;Chillum;I don't know why you think it is absurd for a large number of people to be able to pull enough gold out of the ground to get an air drop 1095275;1428693400;Chillum;you can make decent bank panning by hand if you work all day long for a week 1095276;1428693408;ascii_field;Chillum: it is quite plausible to a large group of people to pull gold out of the ground 1095277;1428693412;ascii_field;except that it is done in gulag 1095278;1428693426;ascii_field;and not for airdrop, but for a little gruel and another day of not being shot and thrown to the dogs. 1095279;1428693459;Chillum;I am not sure that happened during the Zimbabwe collapse 1095280;1428693472;Chillum;it was for wheat mostly 1095281;1428693484;Chillum;I suppose you can make gruel from wheat 1095282;1428693497;Chillum;though traditionally it is hemp seeds, and is actually really good food 1095283;1428693508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133930 @ 0.00028993 = 38.8303 BTC [+] {2} 1095284;1428693560;ascii_field;Chillum: point being that collapse leads to a trade in slaves without necessarily pausing for long at gold chains. 1095285;1428693568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 379270 @ 0.00029122 = 110.451 BTC [+] {5} 1095286;1428693582;ascii_field;slaves after much preliminary culling via natural processes 1095287;1428693604;Chillum;my point is the historically having gold has helped people in bad times 1095288;1428693624;ascii_field;Chillum: familiar with the fact that jars of roman gold, silver are often found even now ? 1095289;1428693630;ascii_field;they did not help their owners. 1095290;1428693632;Chillum;unless people find out you have it... I really shgould not be telling you guys about my gold! 1095291;1428693640;ascii_field;this is the universal explanation for buried treasure, incidentally 1095292;1428693653;Chillum;even today people bury treasure and die without recovering it 1095293;1428693670;ascii_field;Chillum: mandatory 'buried treasure' thread on #b-a >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816402 1095294;1428693670;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom 1095295;1428693672;Chillum;people get rich enough that they don't need to delve into their stash then they die without telling anyone 1095296;1428693678;*;trinque reaches the top of the logs 1095297;1428693679;ascii_field;^ reqd. reading 1095298;1428693701;Chillum;I wish I had a satoshi for everything in the channel that was required reading 1095299;1428693722;trinque;ascii_field: re: earlier thread, seems like it calls for a lab attached to a (perhaps unrelated) other business 1095300;1428693723;ascii_field;Chillum: read it. and understand that the amount of gold that is -yours- is the amount that fits in your body cavities - and, with modern techonology, not even this. 1095301;1428693736;trinque;google is an ad company, gets to work on self driving cars and whatever else 1095302;1428693764;ascii_field;trinque: this fails because the subject of the thread is - as i firmly believe - necessarily the work of -one mind.- 1095303;1428693767;ascii_field;it does not corporatize. 1095304;1428693798;Chillum;well as far as compact wealth that is fungible goes it cannot be beat. Bitcoins are great if there is still an internety 1095305;1428693810;trinque;ascii_field: so corporatize the "chumpatron", not the lab, and own both 1095306;1428693817;Chillum;it traverses changes in currencies 1095307;1428693825;Chillum;you can go from nation to nation and it have value 1095308;1428693840;Chillum;you can only carry so much survival supplies with you 1095309;1428693898;Chillum;pure gold can be tested by a blowtorch, if you make it glow red any alloys will result in bluing, pure gold will not change color 1095310;1428693945;Chillum;(bluing is the discoloration metals show when heated) 1095311;1428693982;trinque;ascii_field: my observation is that very intelligent people often overlook lower hanging fruit because it's uninteresting 1095312;1428694014;trinque;to pull an example out of my ass, there are loads of these "managed firewalls" in american businesses 1095313;1428694018;trinque;restaurants, shops etc 1095314;1428694031;trinque;they're all rubbish, and all certainly horribly insecure 1095315;1428694064;trinque;you could build a product that's an order of magnitude better than what they offer in your sleep 1095316;1428694094;Chillum;I love low hanging fruit 1095317;1428694128;ascii_field;trinque: so corporatize the "chumpatron", not the lab, and own both >> see my comment to mircea_popescu >> http://trilema.com/2015/on-owning-things/#comment-113503 1095318;1428694128;assbot;On owning things on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1axaWOZ ) 1095319;1428694141;ascii_field;the last paragraph. 1095320;1428694191;ascii_field;trinque: i can't speak for you, but i cannot build anything whatsoever in my sleep. 1095321;1428694218;trinque;only so many hours in a day 1095322;1428694240;ascii_field;trinque: i presently do something very vaguely similar to what you suggested, working for something that could be described as an antivirus firm. and it eats most of my stamina. 1095323;1428694241;trinque;still going after weak enemies first seems a good way to start anything 1095324;1428694266;trinque;ascii_field: yeah, plus maybe signing away certain rights to what you produce? (I'd hope not, but it's common) 1095325;1428694331;ascii_field;trinque: not like i need any of it for anything elsewhere 1095326;1428694405;Chillum;anti-virus: https://xkcd.com/463/ 1095327;1428694406;assbot;xkcd: Voting Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1axcbxu ) 1095328;1428694430;ascii_field;aha. 1095329;1428694471;ascii_field;the basic idea of the thread is that no one is willing to pay - as in, -really- pay - for non-retarded things 1095330;1428694493;ascii_field;it's rather like being a doctor who caters specifically to alcoholics 1095331;1428694497;Chillum;retarded sells, just look at the state of movies 1095332;1428694501;ascii_field;but he is not permitted to tell them to stop drinking. 1095333;1428694501;funkenstein_;and the payee decides what that means i suppose? 1095334;1428694552;ascii_field;and now imagine that this is the only kind of doctor there is. 1095335;1428694555;funkenstein_;good evening *tips hat* 1095336;1428694666;trinque;ascii_field: sounds like the kind of thing you'd need an arms race and a benefactor on one side to produce 1095337;1428694721;trinque;if you can't create the product yet maybe the task is to create the customer? 1095338;1428694729;ascii_field;trinque: arms races don't necessarily create long-term thinking. 1095339;1428694739;ascii_field;benefactor would need a time horizon of 500 years at least. 1095340;1428694767;ascii_field;trinque: again can't speak for you, but i can't create the customer any more than can create the weather. 1095341;1428694911;trinque;ascii_field: dunno the answer, but the question would be how you increase the visibility of the problem to those that have resources to fund the thing, but don't currently care 1095342;1428694955;trinque;say I'm the firewall company, I'd not only make my thing, I'd spend money punching holes in everyone else's products all day 1095343;1428694977;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1095344;1428694988;ascii_field;trinque: the normal paradigm of investment and return fails here 1095345;1428695013;ascii_field;because the only approach that i believe to be correct, will result in something tangible only long after we are all dead. 1095346;1428695039;ascii_field;the only extant analogue of this is the multigenerational starship concept 1095347;1428695081;funkenstein_;seven generations is said to be goal for those who would claim to think long term 1095348;1428695099;ascii_field;the actual number is uninteresting 1095349;1428695102;ascii_field;and unknowable. 1095350;1428695117;trinque;eh, how do you make anyone care about what happens in 7 generations? 1095351;1428695125;funkenstein_;we all care 1095352;1428695127;ascii_field;you need, essentially, fanatics. 1095353;1428695131;trinque;^ 1095354;1428695134;Chillum;yup 1095355;1428695178;Chillum;It would be nice to be born into a society that had spent the last 20 generations engaging in long term planning to make life easy 1095356;1428695178;funkenstein_;you might as well ask how you make anyone care about what happens to themselves 1095357;1428695182;Chillum;then just leach off of it 1095358;1428695200;ascii_field;Chillum: where do i leech 50 yrs of free time and a semiconductor plant ? 1095359;1428695202;mats;buying gold for a crisis is a bet that civilization will collapse this far -- and no further. 1095360;1428695209;ascii_field;mats has it. 1095361;1428695212;ascii_field;!s lead standard 1095362;1428695213;assbot;10 results for 'lead standard' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lead+standard 1095363;1428695214;mats;a ridiculous idea, really. 1095364;1428695237;funkenstein_;try seeds mats 1095365;1428695243;Chillum;mats: historically civilizations do collapse so far, and no further. Even after the fall of the roman empire gold had value 1095366;1428695254;ascii_field;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/04/financial-totalitarianism.html << obligatory orlov 1095367;1428695256;assbot;ClubOrlov: Financial Totalitarianism ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nm3asW ) 1095368;1428695259;trinque;funkenstein_ | you might as well ask how you make anyone care about what happens to themselves << no, this is automatic for me 1095369;1428695266;trinque;I give ample shits about what happens to my own hide 1095370;1428695268;Chillum;I agree it does not prepare for some unprecedented level of collapse 1095371;1428695270;ascii_field;'And so, the answer to the perennially annoying question “How do I invest my money for it to survive financial, political and commercial collapse?” is this: “There is no answer to your question. Try asking a different question, to which there might be an answer.”' 1095372;1428695291;funkenstein_;trinque, so it is automatic to care about all times then 1095373;1428695295;mats;the only thing i'd ever bother to stockpile are bullets and natural gas 1095374;1428695295;trinque;funkenstein_: no 1095375;1428695302;ascii_field; Even after the fall of the roman empire gold had value << aha, very valuable, but nothing in particular attaches it to your earthly carcass. 1095376;1428695304;trinque;funkenstein_: you're making giant leaps 1095377;1428695329;trinque;if I care about anything at all how could I not care about being able to continue to care? 1095378;1428695334;Chillum;ascii_field: same goes for food and other supplies 1095379;1428695337;mats;i've got some food here in case of emergency but realistically i'll be eaten before i get to that store... too many humans per sq ft in boston. 1095380;1428695344;trinque;in 7 generations my "caring" will have long since extinguished 1095381;1428695344;Chillum;they may just grab you for your sweet ass 1095382;1428695358;Chillum;at least with gold you could buy a gun 1095383;1428695381;funkenstein_;that depends on what you mean by "my" doesn't it 1095384;1428695384;mats;what makes you think anybody would sell you a gun for some shiny? 1095385;1428695387;ascii_field;^ 1095386;1428695394;mats;they'll just put a knife in your chest and take it. 1095387;1428695408;ascii_field;srsly this is not a secret, there is ample literature on what actually happens to idiot schmucks who think that money is magical 1095388;1428695413;ascii_field;and somehow can turn into goodies by itself 1095389;1428695418;trinque;funkenstein_: sure if we substitute my tangible feeling of "being" for some abstract soul which the society may chain to popular groupthink, we can make people do all kinds of things 1095390;1428695419;Chillum;not magical, a tool 1095391;1428695428;Chillum;if you don't act like a tool then you can use the tool 1095392;1428695444;Chillum;idiot schmucks will always go the way of idiot schmucks 1095393;1428695457;Chillum;an idiot can screw up any opportunity, means nothing 1095394;1428695475;ascii_field;Chillum: markets do not disappear in a collapse, but become 'seller's markets' very quickly. the cost of a ticket on schindler's train was a bag of diamonds. the cost of a ticket on same train after it left - $infinite. 1095395;1428695517;Chillum;well if I am in a nazi camp I would probably not benefit much from gold 1095396;1428695519;mats;this kind of thinking is indicative of soft living 1095397;1428695520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00029153 = 12.6816 BTC [+] 1095398;1428695528;trinque;funkenstein_: I'm not saying long term projects can't exist; however, I think they're doomed if they do not benefit the participants all along the way 1095399;1428695541;funkenstein_;very true 1095400;1428695545;Chillum;don't think poverty will protect you from the violent marauders 1095401;1428695561;Chillum;being poor does not bring protection 1095402;1428695570;ascii_field;trinque: which is why i said 'fanatics'. folks who understand that they are human rocket stages and accept this. 1095403;1428695576;funkenstein_;one has to inherently weight the present as more important, it's an endless problem 1095404;1428695578;Chillum;and any protection it does bring could be gained by someone able to pretend they are poor 1095405;1428695620;ascii_field;Chillum: 'pretend you are poor' works until 'poor' means 'ribs showing' 1095406;1428695625;ascii_field;or dead 1095407;1428695655;Chillum;constant travel would be your best bet 1095408;1428695677;Chillum;gladly I live in an area where you could live off the land if you wanted to 1095409;1428695678;trinque;ascii_field: slaves, sure 1095410;1428695686;ascii_field;actually farting sarin gas and spitting bullets at your enemies would be your best bet. 1095411;1428695686;Chillum;though it may get crowded 1095412;1428695689;trinque;but their masters are going to want something from having allocated them 1095413;1428695692;ascii_field;but constant travel is a close second. 1095414;1428695703;ascii_field;the amount of useful information contained in either advice is nil. 1095415;1428695720;trinque;why would any powerful man use himself as another's rocket fuel? 1095416;1428695732;Chillum;ascii_field: I honestly think keeping a low profile would offer a higher chance of survival than using a lot of force. I would carry a weapon but try my hardest not to reveal it, and use it if I do 1095417;1428695764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179250 @ 0.00029153 = 52.2568 BTC [+] 1095418;1428695800;ascii_field;Chillum: the only further comment i have for this is that you will be well-served to read up on actual scenarios resembling your hypothetical. rather then using 'zombie apocalypse' 3d shooters as a mental model. 1095419;1428695822;ascii_field;trinque: why would any powerful man use himself as another's rocket fuel? << in so long as this is phrased this way in his head - never. 1095420;1428695823;trinque;ascii_field: also how do you get someone who's sufficiently fanatical to do the project yet rational enough to do it correctly? 1095421;1428695823;Chillum;I have read of Zimbabwe, Germany, Argentina 1095422;1428695829;ascii_field;it would have to be 'will of allah' or whatnot. 1095423;1428695875;trinque;I have my doubts that a mind which believes in the will of allah produces anything of long term value 1095424;1428695888;trinque;fuck it; god will solve the problems. 1095425;1428695904;Chillum;a lot of great discoverers and inventors believed in god 1095426;1428695913;ascii_field;trinque: are you able to see value in the truth as an abstract ? 1095427;1428695915;Chillum;they could not wait for god to do it for them 1095428;1428695942;Chillum;people believe all kinds of stupid shit, even the brilliant ones 1095429;1428696070;funkenstein_;something i found for alf 1095430;1428696073;funkenstein_;http://dpaste.com/3EVMY9K.txt 1095431;1428696074;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nm5sZi ) 1095432;1428696131;ascii_field;'that the protection stuff like checking array boundaries and pointer validity can be handled by the compiler just as effectively as it can in hardware, with the running product a lot faster and a lot simpler to build.' << imbecilic garbage 1095433;1428696143;ascii_field;when 'in software' - can and -will- be stripped out. 1095434;1428696146;ascii_field;for 'speed' 1095435;1428696161;ascii_field;as described, e.g., here: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html 1095436;1428696162;assbot;Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nm5Kzl ) 1095437;1428696212;ascii_field;stockholm syndrome sufferer, justifying status quo so he can avoid fellating his pistol 1095438;1428696236;ascii_field;citing the failures that he and his ilk were responsible for, as proof that problems cannot be solved. 1095439;1428696256;ascii_field;i assume that the discussion concerned my www site, but my points stand even if not. 1095440;1428696284;funkenstein_;el oh fucking el 1095441;1428696298;Chillum;I just got an ESP8266, a $4 chip that has a microcontroller that can run either C or Lua with 512kb memory 8GPIOs and a wifi card with a high level interface. All the size of a SD card and running off 300ma(peak) at 3.3v 1095442;1428696318;ascii_field;funkenstein_: if you know the organism in question, link him to my answer. 1095443;1428696321;Chillum;it can create an access point and run a web server all by itself 1095444;1428696344;ascii_field;Chillum: what some folks will do, just to get nsa into an automatic plant waterer. 1095445;1428696353;funkenstein_;will do 1095446;1428696361;ascii_field;or whatever you were going to do originally with 555 timer, that you are now using 'web server' for 1095447;1428696365;ascii_field;merely because 'it is cheap' 1095448;1428696408;funkenstein_;what do you mean 'in software' will be stripped out? 1095449;1428696420;ascii_field;read the link. 1095450;1428696442;Chillum;one of these and a small battery could record wifi SSIDs and signal strength and time for days 1095451;1428696456;Chillum;later it could be used against googles SSID database to triangulate movement 1095452;1428696464;Chillum;it can fit in almost anything 1095453;1428696466;Chillum;very sacry 1095454;1428696474;Chillum;at least little brother has it too 1095455;1428696485;Chillum;I am sure big brother has something better though 1095456;1428696610;ascii_field;funkenstein_: i am always entertained by folks commenting 'he does not know history of computing', when themselves they do not even know most of it, because it happened on the wrong side of the atlantic 1095457;1428696620;ascii_field;and doesn't exist in english 1095458;1428696662;ascii_field;see, idiot derps who do not know the state of the art and say that they do not need to, because taiwan isn't making it and their corner computer store isn't selling it - belong in africa. 1095459;1428696733;funkenstein_;can't we build up from simple small parts? 1095460;1428696754;ascii_field;funkenstein_: depends 1095461;1428696792;ascii_field;funkenstein_: go and see how much physical space 1kb of memory takes up in a way you can -personally- construct from discrete transistors. 1095462;1428696795;trinque;ascii_field | trinque: are you able to see value in the truth as an abstract ? << I had the opportunity to work for a guy that thought the relational database should be central to operating system design 1095463;1428696806;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1095464;1428696813;funkenstein_;a lot of the "failures" .. are pretty fucking impressive 1095465;1428696835;trinque;had me wiring up process tables, things in /etc via parsers, everything up into postgresql 1095466;1428696843;ascii_field;bullet molded from shit. 1095467;1428696855;ascii_field;'fly to the moon by stacking chairs' 1095468;1428696863;funkenstein_;can i use photolithography? 1095469;1428696874;ascii_field;funkenstein_: whatcha waiting for 1095470;1428696875;ascii_field;go, use. 1095471;1428696877;trinque;it was "true" that the system he wanted is far more robust than sed/awk-ing /etc 1095472;1428696902;trinque;all these "puppets" and "chefs" exist because that which holds state on unix is flimsy shit 1095473;1428696902;ascii_field;funkenstein_: wake us up when you get something like intel 4004. 1095474;1428696913;funkenstein_;lol 1095475;1428696932;funkenstein_;so what's wrong with the 801 tell it straight up 1095476;1428696939;mats;16:04:57 <+Chillum> I just got an ESP8266, a $4 chip that has a microcontroller that can run either C or Lua with 512kb memory 8GPIOs and a wifi card with a high level interface. All the size of a SD card and running off 300ma(peak) at 3.3v 1095477;1428696960;mats;you're not seriously going to run wifi or a webserver on it are you? 1095478;1428696969;ascii_field;funkenstein_: expecting an answer to this question in a sentence is the height of folly 1095479;1428696980;ascii_field;but, fundamentally, it is this: 1095480;1428696981;funkenstein_;good point 1095481;1428696995;ascii_field;the tech level to allow -one individual who can hold the design in his mind- to attempt it - wasn't there yet. 1095482;1428697002;Chillum;mats: I am going to hook it to a serial gps chip and make a tiny super low power war walker 1095483;1428697008;trinque;ascii_field: the company of course folded because he let a mundane consulting business die because this relational userland he was after was "obviously where computing should go" 1095484;1428697019;Chillum;but if you ever wanted to add a webserver to your lamp, this is the device 1095485;1428697027;mats;no. its not. 1095486;1428697032;ascii_field;trinque: and where is the man? also dead ? 1095487;1428697041;trinque;ascii_field: drunk at least, mostly dead 1095488;1428697045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75119 @ 0.00029157 = 21.9024 BTC [+] {2} 1095489;1428697047;ascii_field;at least consistent. 1095490;1428697050;trinque;lol 1095491;1428697055;mats;can't securely access the thing 1095492;1428697102;trinque;ascii_field: I bring this up because this was a far more incremental change to the stack than you propose, and it still failed miserably 1095493;1428697110;trinque;and failed imo because of refusal to do the mundane 1095494;1428697115;ascii_field;-because- incremental. 1095495;1428697121;trinque;perhaps 1095496;1428697139;ascii_field;there is no incremental path from -committee of crud- to -individual fits-in-head- 1095497;1428697145;Chillum;not all applications call for security. I am making a device that uses a laser to detect a falling drop of water and triggers my camera just as it is impacting in a pool 1095498;1428697157;mats;er s/access/use 1095499;1428697157;Chillum;adding a webserver interface is actually cheaper than a display and buttons 1095500;1428697168;ascii_field;Chillum: not all applications call for security << ?!?!!!! 1095501;1428697171;trinque;ascii_field: the idea was you get everything modeled relationally, and then user can reason about schema rather than myriad other representations of structure 1095502;1428697173;ascii_field;what else do 'not all applications' call for 1095503;1428697184;ascii_field;is it all right if device spontaneously catches fire ? 1095504;1428697197;Chillum;mats: through the serial port you can completely rewrite the firmware... though I suppose on the wire it may be running some spyware, but then so could anything 1095505;1428697198;mats;feature. 1095506;1428697204;Chillum;it runs C code on the processor 1095507;1428697211;Chillum;no OS even 1095508;1428697222;mats;its not the firmware that's the problem 1095509;1428697238;mats;same reason why pogo is only accessible over serial 1095510;1428697257;mats;or whatever the physical arrangements therein 1095511;1428697261;Chillum;well if you want the same thing without wifi just use an arduino 1095512;1428697269;mats;loled 1095513;1428697273;*;ascii_field head-desks 1095514;1428697311;trinque;ascii_field: doesn't seem that nature takes these massive leaps 1095515;1428697314;Chillum;ascii_field: my point was if someone hacks my camera trigger device they can take pictures and then I will unplug it 1095516;1428697320;ascii_field;nature doesn't build cpu. 1095517;1428697324;trinque;yeah it does 1095518;1428697325;ascii_field;or even the shirt on your back. 1095519;1428697328;*;trinque knocks on noggin 1095520;1428697333;Chillum;nature builds CPUs that build CPUS 1095521;1428697338;trinque;^ 1095522;1428697346;ascii_field;Chillum will get his next cpu from a tree. 1095523;1428697349;trinque;lol 1095524;1428697357;ascii_field;mankind - makes leaps. 1095525;1428697371;ascii_field;everything worth talking about a generation up - is a leap. 1095526;1428697389;Chillum;we are leaping more often 1095527;1428697404;ascii_field;no cow that lived so much as 50 years ago is worth discussing 1095528;1428697410;ascii_field;unless it was used in a medical experiment 1095529;1428697426;trinque;not a good representative of the solutions nature comes up with 1095530;1428697429;trinque;cows are more our fault 1095531;1428697433;ascii_field;even in so much as it was necessary so that paul erdos could have a glass of milk. 1095532;1428697451;ascii_field;the blade of grass the cow ate is not 'our fault' at all 1095533;1428697462;ascii_field;and even less worthy of discussion, as an individual. 1095534;1428697465;Chillum;Babe the Blue Ox? 1095535;1428697468;trinque;having bred together the most docile, drooling morons of the cow-ancestor is 1095536;1428697471;Chillum;not really a cow 1095537;1428697501;trinque;ascii_field: say you burn a trillion dollars on this thing and it simply never works 1095538;1428697512;ascii_field;trinque: that is virtually guaranteed 1095539;1428697525;trinque;so then this sounds like soviet economics at best :D 1095540;1428697529;ascii_field;the only thing i can promise for the $trillion is: more material for the next fella to work with 1095541;1428697532;ascii_field;than otherwise. 1095542;1428697587;ascii_field;trinque: 'soviet economics' was the kind of fool who is the only kind who can make sufficiently long bets. 1095543;1428697598;trinque;didn't seem to work out for them 1095544;1428697600;ascii_field;excepting perhaps ancient egyptians, or medieval christendom 1095545;1428697603;funkenstein_;i'm not sure i get this "hold it all in your mind" fascination 1095546;1428697609;trinque;funkenstein_: that I get 100% 1095547;1428697614;ascii_field;funkenstein_: until you grasp it, we have nothing to discuss 1095548;1428697629;ascii_field;read the logs. 1095549;1428697631;Chillum;no society works out on a big enough scale 1095550;1428697641;funkenstein_;protons 1095551;1428697655;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-02-2015#1033665 1095552;1428697655;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 21:13:46; mircea_popescu: the entire "act from cause not towards purpose" thing on trilema is exactly a vaccine against that. 1095553;1428697658;ascii_field;^ mandatory 1095554;1428697704;funkenstein_;the car is a common example 1095555;1428697724;trinque;ascii_field: are there not smaller discoveries which would be useful independently which would build towards the final product? 1095556;1428697742;ascii_field;trinque: certainly 1095557;1428697750;trinque;well that'd be the thing to do then 1095558;1428697760;trinque;chart a course towards the smallest of them, and towards selling it as well 1095559;1428697777;trinque;not "burn a kingdom" 1095560;1428697785;trinque;if it's right you should be able to get rich doing each bit of it 1095561;1428697796;ascii_field;trinque: the only unsolved problem that would make a palpable difference is the home ic fab. which makes home satellite launch look trivial. 1095562;1428697802;ascii_field;trinque: wake me up when you solve this 1095563;1428697806;ascii_field;without being killed by usg 1095564;1428697828;ascii_field;but -don't wake me up- if you want to be 'the delusionist' 1095565;1428697833;funkenstein_;fpga not good enough for you? 1095566;1428697835;ascii_field;http://oglaf.com/delusionist 1095567;1428697835;assbot;Delusionist ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBB3jX ) 1095568;1428697836;ascii_field;NO 1095569;1428697843;ascii_field;fuck, none of you read logs, do you 1095570;1428697843;trinque;funkenstein_: he's already talked at length about FPGA 1095571;1428697846;ascii_field;!s xilinx 1095572;1428697846;assbot;62 results for 'xilinx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xilinx 1095573;1428697853;trinque;ascii_field: I do indeed read the logs 1095574;1428697868;mats;poor ascii, beset on all sides 1095575;1428697877;trinque;I'm stating obvious facts about business which will still be true in 2198 1095576;1428697900;funkenstein_;seeing as the same shit keeps coming up.. a certain amount of accepting what we have might be in order 1095577;1428697909;ascii_field;trinque: nothing about electricity made 'business sense' in 1810. 1095578;1428697913;funkenstein_;and using it to fix shit 1095579;1428697915;mats;there is not always commercial value in incremental science 1095580;1428697940;trinque;mats: I think scientists might just tend to think themselves above commerce 1095581;1428697942;ascii_field;the only reason you are reading this by electric light, instead of mumbling to yourself in a field, is that someone had the freedom to counter-economically pull his mental dick by experimenting with strange. 1095582;1428697956;ascii_field;the economic actors came second. 1095583;1428697961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00029162 = 20.4426 BTC [+] 1095584;1428697979;trinque;sure 1095585;1428697980;funkenstein_;if you are in it for the money you are an amateur 1095586;1428697985;trinque;funkenstein_: oh come on 1095587;1428697996;trinque;iirc the house that invented the light bulb made a great deal of money selling them 1095588;1428697997;funkenstein_;quoting 1095589;1428698005;trinque;this is anticapitalist nonsense 1095590;1428698011;funkenstein_;no it is common sense 1095591;1428698055;ascii_field;trinque: lodygin didn't make terribly much from light bulb. 1095592;1428698058;mats;there is such a thing as frictional force business you know 1095593;1428698079;mats;er, in business. 1095594;1428698130;trinque;ascii_field: was he permitted to benefit from the fruits of his own labor, or did this belong to some all-owning state? I am not familiar enough with Russian history to say. 1095595;1428698132;ascii_field;thing is, you don't get to make herr lodygin not exist, just so your ideology can make sense. 1095596;1428698141;ascii_field;or lilienfeld's transistor. 1095597;1428698143;ascii_field;or, or, or 1095598;1428698173;ascii_field;or farnsworth's television 1095599;1428698181;funkenstein_;the interesting bit is what you guys actually do with your lives, not who says they have what in which accounts 1095600;1428698182;trinque;I am not questioning whether people solve problems simply because of the satisfaction of doing so 1095601;1428698183;ascii_field;^ lived in usa 1095602;1428698199;ascii_field;funkenstein_: aha let's change subject, sure 1095603;1428698200;ascii_field;no. 1095604;1428698205;ascii_field;it is germane. 1095605;1428698241;trinque;I think it's fine to say the capitalist and the scientist are different men 1095606;1428698258;funkenstein_;here's a possibly unrelated query for you 1095607;1428698259;Chillum;batman was both 1095608;1428698263;trinque;but also that if you're talking about projects that span any considerable length of time, you're gonna need a capitalist 1095609;1428698280;ascii_field;trinque: who was korolev's capitalist ? 1095610;1428698285;trinque;armies run on food 1095611;1428698287;trinque;and boots 1095612;1428698291;trinque;and so on 1095613;1428698298;trinque;oil, metal, w/e 1095614;1428698304;funkenstein_;oh never mind :P i'm off for a drink 1095615;1428698311;trinque;the guy that discovers a thing is not the only part of the process 1095616;1428698322;trinque;how bout producing more than one of the thing 1095617;1428698372;trinque;ascii_field: looks like his capitalist was the soviet state 1095618;1428698383;ascii_field;trinque: interestingly, there are quite a few technologies which, in the popular mind, 'don't exist' because you cannot get them at the corner store. 1095619;1428698390;ascii_field;e.g., doped diamond semiconductor 1095620;1428698398;ascii_field;but they exist nevertheless. 1095621;1428698434;trinque;ascii_field: ah, I am not also saying that because something's not at walmart it doesn't really exist. the market being skewed towards morons is a separate problem which needs to be solved 1095622;1428698482;ascii_field;trinque: consider an example: 1095623;1428698486;ascii_field;P. Ya. Ufimtsev, Method of Edge Waves in the Physical Theory of Diffraction, Soviet Radio, Moscow, 1962. 1095624;1428698489;ascii_field;does this ring a bell? 1095625;1428698492;ascii_field;it should. 1095626;1428698537;ascii_field;the (meanwhile obsolete today but that is another conversation) 'stealth' airplane - lives and dies by this paper 1095627;1428698542;ascii_field;a fact not disputed by its makers 1095628;1428698582;ascii_field;note that herr ufimtsev did not go to a venture capitalist and ask for money to live on so he could study mathematics and live a long life of possibly not amounting to anything that could be cashed in to pay it back. 1095629;1428698601;trinque;well the soviet state was the patron of these scientists, yes? 1095630;1428698609;ascii_field;aha 1095631;1428698619;ascii_field;like a demented old woman who invests in pyramid scams ten times a day 1095632;1428698622;trinque;ultimately consumed by the rot of central economic planning? 1095633;1428698637;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1095634;1428698641;trinque;how does that thing run long enough for your zealots to produce the computer? 1095635;1428698654;ascii_field;trinque: same question will be asked of usa 1095636;1428698657;ascii_field;and every other mega-empire 1095637;1428698668;ascii_field;how did aztecs stay in business long enough to build their pyramid temples? 1095638;1428698669;ascii_field;egypt? 1095639;1428698701;trinque;bizarre obsession with a single topic coupled with sort of living in an undisturbed bubble for long enough 1095640;1428698701;ascii_field;empires - age. and die. like people. 1095641;1428698701;chetty;same answer for all of the above, believers 1095642;1428698720;trinque;chetty: yeah but "believers in bubble" I think 1095643;1428698748;chetty;well a bubble holds the belief together for longer 1095644;1428698769;ascii_field;in what bubble did mr newton live ? 1095645;1428698788;trinque;wasn't it wealth? 1095646;1428698789;ascii_field;arguably in christendom, but he did write 'i do not need that hypothesis' when asked where the place of the creator was in 'principia' 1095647;1428698795;ascii_field;ditto ussr 1095648;1428698824;chetty;even in bubbles you get a few ... 1095649;1428698826;ascii_field;what particular state religion is in use, is unimportant so long as ufimtsev et al can do their thing. 1095650;1428698835;Chillum;trinque: he was born to a farming family 1095651;1428698836;*;chetty points at ascii_field 1095652;1428698865;trinque;right so what arrangement produces the longest-term supply of wealthy, educated, cultured patrons? 1095653;1428698870;ascii_field;in bubbles, you sometimes get visitors from older, long-popped bubbles 1095654;1428698870;Chillum;his mom wanted him to stop school to go back to farming when he was a teenager 1095655;1428698903;chetty; right so what arrangement produces the longest-term supply of wealthy, educated, cultured patrons?// afaik feudalism 1095656;1428698931;ascii_field;trinque: this is not a question that anyone has any use for the answer of, even if i could convincingly answer it. but otherwise - chetty has it. 1095657;1428698934;Chillum;it was a good system, if you were in charge 1095658;1428698959;trinque;Chillum: or could demonstrate value to someone who was 1095659;1428698967;ascii_field;Chillum: and if not. i spend a vastly larger fraction of my waking hours working to pay tax than any medieval peasant in europe did. 1095660;1428699011;Chillum;I try not to work too hard 1095661;1428699012;chetty;second that ascii_field 1095662;1428699164;ascii_field;to wrap up the thread, when i spoke of 'fanatic' i was referring precisely to mircea_popescu's 'act from cause not towards purpose' maxim. 1095663;1428699193;trinque;I don't see the connection to fanaticism there 1095664;1428699198;trinque;a fanatic has a purpose 1095665;1428699206;trinque;"I will bring about the glorious *it*" 1095666;1428699218;ascii_field;trinque: that is a formulation for the simple 1095667;1428699261;ascii_field;in actuality, there are two kinds of human activity. 'i will do this because my cock will be sucked, or to avoid whipping', and the other being 'i will do this because it is right' 1095668;1428699272;ascii_field;1 is 'purpose'; 2 - 'cause'. 1095669;1428699282;trinque;I am skeptical of the "right" used there, but that's an entirely other thread 1095670;1428699306;ascii_field;virtually anyone worth speaking to, is, upon examination, motivated by some (2) and not merely (1). 1095671;1428699394;ascii_field;think of the partizan who dies under torture rather than rat out comrades 1095672;1428699417;ascii_field;or whatever equivalent exists in your particular culture (and if your culture doesn't have such heroes, it is moribund and time to gtfo) 1095673;1428699459;trinque;person in question doesn't want to live in a world where comrades are ratted, or at least not his 1095674;1428699468;trinque;that can be entirely rational 1095675;1428699477;trinque;doesn't require a zealot in service to something imaginary 1095676;1428699494;ascii_field;the world that exists after your death is imaginary. 1095677;1428699514;trinque;yeah but there are perhaps circumstances less appealing than death 1095678;1428699517;ascii_field;if you don't see this, you are playing mental gymnastics, but whatever rocks your boat. 1095679;1428699527;trinque;ascii_field: no that was precisely my point earlier 1095680;1428699537;trinque;considering 7 generation projects 1095681;1428699604;asciilifeform;!up diametric 1095682;1428699608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114433 @ 0.00028772 = 32.9247 BTC [-] 1095683;1428699617;diametric;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/04/10/1541258/florida-teen-charged-with-felony-hacking-for-changing-desktop-wallpaper 1095684;1428699619;assbot;Florida Teen Charged With Felony Hacking For Changing Desktop Wallpaper - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CD6wwh ) 1095685;1428699623;trinque;infrequently I experience extreme headaches 1095686;1428699630;funkenstein_;ascii_field wut? 1095687;1428699637;trinque;the dehumanizing, laughing at nothing, vomiting kind 1095688;1428699645;funkenstein_;you trollin bro 1095689;1428699664;trinque;since they are infrequent I do not feel this way, but if they were daily I'd gladly end my life rather than continue in those conditions 1095690;1428699669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187471 @ 0.00028093 = 52.6662 BTC [-] {2} 1095691;1428699672;trinque;has nothing to do with the situation after death 1095692;1428699685;trinque;ratting comrades might make a person feel the same way about himself, so he choses death 1095693;1428699728;funkenstein_;the world that exists after your birth is imaginary <-- makes more sense 1095694;1428699732;ascii_field;'A 14-year-old middle school student in Holiday, Florida, was arrested this week and charged with "an offense against a computer system and unauthorized access," which is a felony. The student reportedly used an administrator password to log into a teacher's computer and change the background image to a photo of two men kissing. The student also revealed his secrets after he was caught – the password was the teacher' 1095695;1428699732;ascii_field;s last name, and the teacher had typed it in in full view of the students. The student said many other students used these administrators' passwords (their teachers' last names) so they can screen-share and video chat with other students. The student was briefly held in a nearby detention center, and the county Sheriff warned that other teenagers caught doing the same thing will "face the same consequences."' 1095696;1428699788;*;trinque has to run, will pick up the thread upon return 1095697;1428699805;ascii_field;'Kids need to learn the consequences of embarrassing powerful people. That is one of the golden rules of modern society; thou shalt not embarrass thy superiors. Snowden forgot that, and this little punk forgot that. You respect your betters, or you get tossed in a cage. That's the law. Ingrain that into your kid's brains before puberty hits, or they will wind up in a cage too.' << from commentz 1095698;1428700218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61158 @ 0.00027974 = 17.1083 BTC [-] 1095699;1428700462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140300 @ 0.00027864 = 39.0932 BTC [-] 1095700;1428700532;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1095701;1428700645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215200 @ 0.00028284 = 60.8672 BTC [+] {3} 1095702;1428701749;funkenstein_; no public key - can't apply revocation certificate <--- gpg --import spits this out. what does it mean? 1095703;1428701777;ascii_field;funkenstein_: likely means that there is a revocator packet in there for some key you don't have in your collection 1095704;1428701790;ascii_field;should not be a fatal error 1095705;1428701811;funkenstein_;thanks.. but it seems it is not taking the public key which was given to me 1095706;1428701849;funkenstein_;it's a new public key someone sent me 1095707;1428701978;funkenstein_;a shady character as it happens 1095708;1428702025;funkenstein_;no matter i'll ask for a new one, thanks again 1095709;1428702277;mircea_popescu;prolly key was revoked already 1095710;1428702361;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1095711;1428702459;mircea_popescu;hm did qntra hit a truly major spike or something ? 1095712;1428702528;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if i had to guess, it'd be http://qntra.net/2015/04/battle-for-the-right-to-play-old-multiplayer-games-take-shape 1095713;1428702529;assbot;Battle for the right to play old multiplayer games take shape. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1O0cEoK ) 1095714;1428703182;mircea_popescu;hm 1095715;1428704061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29637 @ 0.00028698 = 8.5052 BTC [+] 1095716;1428704488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92813 @ 0.00028698 = 26.6355 BTC [+] 1095717;1428705159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 216393 @ 0.00028333 = 61.3106 BTC [-] {2} 1095718;1428705296;mircea_popescu;!up shinohai 1095719;1428705319;Chillum;ultima online, good times 1095720;1428705459;Chillum;heck Ultima IV good times 1095721;1428705875;shinohai;o/ mircea_popescu 1095722;1428705893;mircea_popescu;which one is ultima ? the one with vi domina etc ? 1095723;1428705908;mircea_popescu;ello shinohai 1095724;1428705953;shinohai;are we going to defeat the bitcoin foundation and build a real btc wallet? 1095725;1428705991;mircea_popescu;who's we. for that matter, who are you. 1095726;1428706007;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095266 << you know, people have direct contact with this : beggars in every major town are run by organized crime. 1095727;1428706007;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:13:36; ascii_field: or the absurdity you were asked to believe, that villagers could have 'food flown in' in exchange for collectively 'picking up gold flakes' 1095728;1428706026;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, same people actually believe the equivalent of beggars in a river somewhere are... a communal co-op! 1095729;1428706031;mircea_popescu;talk about a memory hole. 1095730;1428706070;mircea_popescu;what exactly would prevent me from beating the shit out of the 'villagers' each day, having them digging out gold nuggets till they drop so i can have more guns flown in ? 1095731;1428706077;mircea_popescu;it's how fucking africa runs since... oh i dunno, 1500 ? 1095732;1428706081;shinohai;I am no one. Just a person that wants to secure the future of this tech 1095733;1428706175;shinohai;not interested in picking up gold flakes. If i was i'd still get my bitcoin from faucets 1095734;1428706197;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095282 << gruel is actually made out of oats, traditionally. rye, in some places. it also expanded to mean figuratively "any cheap unpretentious bland boiled stuff" 1095735;1428706197;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:18:17; Chillum: though traditionally it is hemp seeds, and is actually really good food 1095736;1428706258;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095298 << yeah that's a good goal. 1095737;1428706258;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:21:41; Chillum: I wish I had a satoshi for everything in the channel that was required reading 1095738;1428706302;shinohai;Wish in one and shit in the other. See which fills up quicker. 1095739;1428706317;shinohai;I have actually quoted you before mircea_popescu 1095740;1428706335;shinohai;How if we wish to have nice things, we need to pay for them 1095741;1428706358;shinohai;ad naseum 1095742;1428706394;mircea_popescu;aha. 1095743;1428706421;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095315 << and run into the 17th standard problem ? the reason they're horribru is because they're stuck working for dwim users who are very diverse. 1095744;1428706421;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:27:44; trinque: you could build a product that's an order of magnitude better than what they offer in your sleep 1095745;1428706440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93165 @ 0.00028866 = 26.893 BTC [+] 1095746;1428706466;shinohai;I work for no one at this point. 1095747;1428706470;shinohai;So lol 1095748;1428706488;shinohai;I just like stirring pots 1095749;1428706501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 381900 @ 0.00027835 = 106.3019 BTC [-] {4} 1095750;1428706535;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095326 << people certainly understand problems stated in terms of sex a fuckload better than they understand the same problems stated in "abstract" terms huh. 1095751;1428706535;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:33:25; Chillum: anti-virus: https://xkcd.com/463/ 1095752;1428706594;shinohai;touche 1095753;1428706612;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095340 << so eat more beans :D 1095754;1428706612;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:39:27; ascii_field: trinque: again can't speak for you, but i can't create the customer any more than can create the weather. 1095755;1428706626;trinque;heh! 1095756;1428706656;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095342 << yeah. or in simpler terms : suppose you're the foreign kid in class that not only throws everyone's curve to the point where most of them flunk 1095757;1428706656;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:42:35; trinque: say I'm the firewall company, I'd not only make my thing, I'd spend money punching holes in everyone else's products all day 1095758;1428706662;mircea_popescu;but also makes fun of them all day for it. 1095759;1428706669;mircea_popescu;how'd that conceivably go ? 1095760;1428706703;shinohai;meh I've been made fun of before 1095761;1428706723;shinohai;ask TradeFortress how that wen 1095762;1428706728;shinohai;*went 1095763;1428706749;Chillum;I had this job and we had to get our site certified for some credit card standard. They required anti-virus software, but we run linux. So we installed an anti-virus scanner designed to find windows viruses in attachments for e-mail servers 1095764;1428706760;mircea_popescu;shinohai dawg you're trying too hard. how about you get in the wot, settle down to some reading ? 1095765;1428706762;Chillum;it passed 1095766;1428706773;mircea_popescu;lol 1095767;1428706778;shinohai;idc 1095768;1428706779;mircea_popescu;im sure someone somewhere had a chuckle. 1095769;1428706781;trinque;Chillum: PCI is a joke 1095770;1428706787;Chillum;indeed it is 1095771;1428706789;shinohai;if i make wot so be it 1095772;1428706797;shinohai;if not im doing my thing 1095773;1428706807;Chillum;wow you are so independent! 1095774;1428706855;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095355 << ironically, you are. 1095775;1428706855;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:46:18; Chillum: It would be nice to be born into a society that had spent the last 20 generations engaging in long term planning to make life easy 1095776;1428706857;mircea_popescu;do you love it ? 1095777;1428706868;Chillum;that is only part of what I said 1095778;1428706873;Chillum;I then said "Then I can leach off of it" 1095779;1428706875;Chillum;yes I do 1095780;1428706881;mircea_popescu;aha. 1095781;1428706893;trinque;central planning eh? 1095782;1428706898;shinohai;may iask mircea_popescu what u think i try so hard at ? 1095783;1428706898;mircea_popescu;imo it's kinda dweeby, but hey. one doesn't get to choose the times 1095784;1428706902;trinque;that was the thread with alf earlier 1095785;1428706916;mircea_popescu;shinohai that part is unclear. 1095786;1428706925;shinohai;naturally 1095787;1428706939;Chillum;The danger of planning tasks beyond your lifetime is instead of grand stabilizing projects they turn into welfare 1095788;1428706951;Chillum;like social security 1095789;1428706958;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095365 << gold had value in the sense prostitutes are pleasant. sure, in general. 1095790;1428706958;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:47:23; Chillum: mats: historically civilizations do collapse so far, and no further. Even after the fall of the roman empire gold had value 1095791;1428706959;trinque;Chillum: or it falls apart because the narrative keeping people doing it is bullshit 1095792;1428706960;mircea_popescu;not to you. 1095793;1428706989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146500 @ 0.00029023 = 42.5187 BTC [+] {2} 1095794;1428707003;mircea_popescu;books also had meaning. all through the dark ages. 1095795;1428707006;mircea_popescu;the arabs collected them. 1095796;1428707019;Chillum;that worked out well 1095797;1428707027;mircea_popescu;sure, in general it did. 1095798;1428707074;mircea_popescu;for that matter, politicians are pliable, policemen respectful and judges amenable. in all times and places. that's what these do. 1095799;1428707078;mircea_popescu;doctors cure diseases. 1095800;1428707083;mircea_popescu;you however... you got cancer. what now ? 1095801;1428707103;shinohai;books haz moar value than gold 1095802;1428707116;Chillum;I used to sell books for a living, they really don't 1095803;1428707132;mircea_popescu;so did orwell. 1095804;1428707137;trinque;assbot has it 1095805;1428707139;mircea_popescu;came to the same conclusion, apparently. 1095806;1428707140;Chillum;by that I mean I wrote repricing scripts that set the prices on millions of books 1095807;1428707148;mircea_popescu;oh that bit. 1095808;1428707178;Chillum;some people are so dumb they insist on pricing their book at 1 cent below the lowest price every hour when we have told them that other people are doing that 1095809;1428707184;Chillum;then they complain that their books cost 1 penny 1095810;1428707218;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095371 << or to put it in actual cannonical form, "how do i ensure my personal relevance transcends gaps which specifically annull the relevance of things existing prior ???". get in line, every old guy since afanti wanted to figure this one out. 1095811;1428707218;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:47:50; ascii_field: 'And so, the answer to the perennially annoying question “How do I invest my money for it to survive financial, political and commercial collapse?” is this: “There is no answer to your question. Try asking a different question, to which there might be an answer.”' 1095812;1428707220;Chillum;a lot of people priced their books by weight because they bought them by the ton 1095813;1428707231;Chillum;buy @ 5 cents per kilo sell at 10 cents per kilo 1095814;1428707242;Chillum;except they used pounds because they were american sigh 1095815;1428707251;mircea_popescu;Chillum this is how it worked in belle epoque paris rly. 1095816;1428707276;Chillum;naturally the books that sell by weight tend to be the ones that don't sell 1095817;1428707294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68544 @ 0.00029162 = 19.9888 BTC [+] 1095818;1428707297;mircea_popescu;books as a product kinda died a decade or two prior. 1095819;1428707306;mircea_popescu;i used to have a huge library, i wouldnt buy a book today. 1095820;1428707315;Chillum;yes, online sales is essentially liquidation for a lot of sellers 1095821;1428707345;mircea_popescu;better ways to grow fungi and afids on your walls if you're really into that. 1095822;1428707356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60556 @ 0.00029249 = 17.712 BTC [+] {2} 1095823;1428707362;Chillum;people would arbitrage book auctions compared to known prices and then ship it all to Amazon for them to handle the shipping. Pencil pushers buying us dying companies and selling with least effort possible 1095824;1428707377;Chillum;s/us/up/ 1095825;1428707406;Chillum;a lot of online book sellers never handle a book 1095826;1428707455;Chillum;we call them "widgets" 1095827;1428707500;mircea_popescu;his is pretty common. 1095828;1428707511;mircea_popescu;whitelabelling and dropshipping and all that is how the "service economy" operates. 1095829;1428707535;Chillum;very very stupid people 1095830;1428707544;Chillum;introverted, antisocial, stupid bookseller 1095831;1428707547;Chillum;s 1095832;1428707586;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095388 << about the same that happens to people who thing their feelings are important. 1095833;1428707586;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:50:13; ascii_field: and somehow can turn into goodies by itself 1095834;1428707590;mircea_popescu;they get pregnant and then used to it. 1095835;1428707640;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095398 << "goal-oriented" has appeared in literature recently. there is a reason for this. 1095836;1428707640;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:52:08; trinque: funkenstein_: I'm not saying long term projects can't exist; however, I think they're doomed if they do not benefit the participants all along the way 1095837;1428707666;mircea_popescu;most of human history, and the vast majority of everything nice and good, came out of cause-oriented. so common in fact it didn't even have a name. 1095838;1428707701;mircea_popescu;what motivates the monkey to pick up the rock isn't some sort of contorted dream about becoming a rockthrowing revolutionary ceo. 1095839;1428707706;Chillum;any long term project will be cannibalized the moment it become inconvenient not too 1095840;1428707707;mircea_popescu;it is a much simpler "here is a rock." 1095841;1428707712;Chillum;the pyramids used to have a lovely limestone cover 1095842;1428707724;mircea_popescu;Chillum and kept it, until napoleon showed up. 1095843;1428707728;mircea_popescu;the locals didn't. you know ? 1095844;1428707729;trinque;mircea_popescu: right, this seems directly at odds with the multigenerational, self-sacrificial quest for truth 1095845;1428707757;Chillum;actually there are very old towns build from the pyramids limestone 1095846;1428707763;Chillum;in ruins 1095847;1428707777;mircea_popescu;you're thinking the modern villages in england built out of their various ancient druid stuff. 1095848;1428707777;Chillum;not all of it 1095849;1428707786;Chillum;nope that is not what I am thinking of 1095850;1428707796;mircea_popescu;i been to egypt, never seen these towns. 1095851;1428707799;trinque;mircea_popescu: is this idea of the colossal project a russian thing? 1095852;1428707799;Chillum;I don't see how I could confuse such different things 1095853;1428707809;Chillum;I have been to Kenya, I did not see a giraffe 1095854;1428707812;Chillum;they still exist 1095855;1428707815;mircea_popescu;point. 1095856;1428707826;Chillum;I saw an elephant though 1095857;1428707837;mircea_popescu;i saw a giraffe but it wasn't kenya. 1095858;1428707841;mircea_popescu;trinque um, why russian ? 1095859;1428707850;Chillum;the elephant was very far away, but I saw it 1095860;1428707860;trinque;mircea_popescu: stan likes to bring up russian scientists 1095861;1428707880;mircea_popescu;im kinda sorrty we don't have an ukr alf here, it'd be fun to watch the two. 1095862;1428707888;Chillum;At this forest like park I was drinking(they have bars in parks there!) and there were these little monkeys everywhere 1095863;1428707893;mircea_popescu;"you no say ukraine is weak!" 1095864;1428707904;Chillum;some fool at another table fed them and suddenly they had like 20 monkeys 1095865;1428707910;mircea_popescu;heh 1095866;1428707917;mircea_popescu;practically street urchins, huh. 1095867;1428707928;Chillum;then a freaking baboon walked by our table and gave us a nod as it went by 1095868;1428707941;mircea_popescu;lol! 1095869;1428707945;Chillum;the people I was with said they don't normally live in that area but that one lives in the park 1095870;1428707977;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095407 << this has historically not been the case. 1095871;1428707977;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:54:15; Chillum: constant travel would be your best bet 1095872;1428708031;Chillum;this guy: http://kenya-2011.highinbc.com/images/e7c2268a5c8227eb4a7d4f973f500b9f-600.jpg 1095873;1428708033;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IS5Ub3 ) 1095874;1428708074;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095416 << actually being a woman, especially if young, and very very easy is what offers the best chance of survival. 1095875;1428708074;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:55:32; Chillum: ascii_field: I honestly think keeping a low profile would offer a higher chance of survival than using a lot of force. I would carry a weapon but try my hardest not to reveal it, and use it if I do 1095876;1428708090;mircea_popescu;being a man is already such a bad deal very little you'll do can possibly compensate. 1095877;1428708111;mircea_popescu;pretty cool. 1095878;1428708152;Chillum;just imagine being a baboon living in a people park 1095879;1428708172;mircea_popescu;what's the big deal ? animals are versatile. pigeons do it, why wouldn't monkeys. 1095880;1428708178;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095419 << quite exactly. 1095881;1428708178;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:57:02; ascii_field: trinque: why would any powerful man use himself as another's rocket fuel? << in so long as this is phrased this way in his head - never. 1095882;1428708188;mircea_popescu;dude i missed a buncha good lines! 1095883;1428708192;Chillum;All I remember thinking is that this animal has super human strength and speed 1095884;1428708196;trinque;I enjoyed that thread 1095885;1428708205;trinque;mircea_popescu: what is the alternate phrasing? 1095886;1428708223;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095423 << nonsense, this. the arabs produced the fucking algorithm. 1095887;1428708223;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:57:55; trinque: I have my doubts that a mind which believes in the will of allah produces anything of long term value 1095888;1428708229;*;Adlai shares another one of his ideas that require more rocket fuel than he has to offer - something which inputs log.b-a, and outputs actual threads 1095889;1428708230;mircea_popescu;and chemistry. 1095890;1428708241;Chillum;they invented zero 1095891;1428708243;Chillum;that is like half of computer 1095892;1428708244;mircea_popescu;Adlai heh. so make a forum out of it? 1095893;1428708246;trinque;been a while since eh? 1095894;1428708247;Chillum;one being the other half 1095895;1428708261;Chillum;s/computer/computing/ 1095896;1428708263;mircea_popescu;trinque "a man that does what he can and takes pleasure in it will do what he can and take pleasure in it". 1095897;1428708265;trinque;looks like they got as much as they could out of allah a while ago 1095898;1428708267;Adlai;mircea_popescu: no! envision a secretary, lurking in-channel, tagging each message with the 'thread' to which it belongs 1095899;1428708285;Adlai;now lock the secretary in a room with no internet and logs 1095900;1428708290;mircea_popescu;think in terms of impregnating women, trinque. why don't you do it ? because what it... means, what it implies. but imagine it implied exactly nothing. well then ? why not ? 1095901;1428708300;trinque;sure, all over the place 1095902;1428708302;Chillum;trinque: religion isn't about getting something, it is about people taking from you 1095903;1428708307;mircea_popescu;Chillum argument was "enduring" 1095904;1428708316;Adlai;"war isn't about who's right, it's about who's left" 1095905;1428708318;trinque;mircea_popescu: alf says the guy needs to burn all his women to make the computer 1095906;1428708324;trinque;or that's my understanding 1095907;1428708335;mircea_popescu;i doubt the guy cares what alf says. 1095908;1428708343;mircea_popescu;Adlai ahaha excellent. 1095909;1428708372;Adlai;mircea_popescu: excellent the quote, or the thread-annotator concept? 1095910;1428708377;mircea_popescu;the quote. 1095911;1428708394;mircea_popescu;yes, war is about how the women will be left, and they'll reform society into an imbecillic construction that'll require the next war. 1095912;1428708403;mircea_popescu;seems improbable for anyone to manage to ever break this cycle. 1095913;1428708415;Adlai;the disadvantage of having a threader is that it saves newbies the valuable educational work of thinking while they read 1095914;1428708419;Chillum;we could send women to war and the guys stay home 1095915;1428708425;Chillum;it is their turn anyways 1095916;1428708435;mircea_popescu;why not tax the rich and help the poor, while at it. 1095917;1428708439;mircea_popescu;or piss upstream or w/e. 1095918;1428708453;Chillum;we could hold the war in a really inconvenient location so that nobody shows up 1095919;1428708459;Chillum;on a tuesday 1095920;1428708462;mircea_popescu;all fine ideas that never work. and in any case : i was discussing gender not sex. 1095921;1428708478;mircea_popescu;whoever you send to war is gonna be the male. 1095922;1428708484;mircea_popescu;'cuz they went. 1095923;1428708590;Chillum;lol guess which one I am: http://kenya-2011.highinbc.com/images/f46e7a7dc6d8f3b10a0877aa1a3bb4b2-600.jpg 1095924;1428708592;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IS6ANE ) 1095925;1428708602;Chillum;"one of these guys is not like the others..." 1095926;1428708608;trinque;Chillum: kid in the pink jumpsuit, clearly 1095927;1428708613;Chillum;yup 1095928;1428708642;Chillum;hint, I am not from Kenya 1095929;1428708660;Adlai;the child was clearly adopted from inner-city parents who couldn't afford to raise it 1095930;1428708669;Adlai;eg detroit 1095931;1428708681;Chillum;while it may look like detroit is it in fact not 1095932;1428708690;Chillum;notice the trees 1095933;1428708708;mircea_popescu;is Chillum hotter than nubbins` ? 1095934;1428708713;trinque;that building's too sturdy for detroit 1095935;1428708723;Chillum;not sure, I am pretty hot 1095936;1428708725;mircea_popescu;lol 1095937;1428708735;mircea_popescu;Chillum what do they call the djalabeya in kenya ? 1095938;1428708752;Chillum;I don't know that word 1095939;1428708763;mircea_popescu;the jumpsuit as the fellow put it 1095940;1428708782;Chillum;I don't know 1095941;1428708784;mircea_popescu;everyone wears the same thing and calls it sopmething else. 1095942;1428708799;Chillum;but I will say even in the poor areas people were pretty well dressed 1095943;1428708806;Chillum;it must be a cultural thing 1095944;1428708806;mircea_popescu;apparently the english canonical form is jalabiya 1095945;1428708819;Chillum;particularly when they were in town 1095946;1428708952;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095441 << this is pretty interesting. 1095947;1428708952;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 20:04:58; Chillum: I just got an ESP8266, a $4 chip that has a microcontroller that can run either C or Lua with 512kb memory 8GPIOs and a wifi card with a high level interface. All the size of a SD card and running off 300ma(peak) at 3.3v 1095948;1428708956;mircea_popescu;are they available in qty ? 1095949;1428708973;Chillum;yes 1095950;1428708977;Chillum;they are mass produced 1095951;1428708982;Chillum;got mine on ebay 1095952;1428708987;mircea_popescu;what's it power the wifi from ? 1095953;1428709025;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095442 << dude, why so disdainful ? if you don't trust people you don't know on the basis of what they write, "warm smile and handshake" smarm, why would you despise people you also don't know on the basis of six lines ? what are you, mazarin ? 1095954;1428709025;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 20:05:18; ascii_field: funkenstein_: if you know the organism in question, link him to my answer. 1095955;1428709027;Chillum;It says +25dBm on it 1095956;1428709051;Chillum;there are several models, a few have external antenna ports 1095957;1428709065;mircea_popescu;whats that like 1/3 W ? 1095958;1428709084;Chillum;not sure 1095959;1428709103;mircea_popescu;pretty decent iirc 15ish is the norm. mebbe 20. 1095960;1428709112;Chillum;the esp-07 version is the small one with more memory and gpios and external antenna port 1095961;1428709119;Chillum;$3.88 each 1095962;1428709130;Chillum;and that is to buy one, I am sure there are bulk discounts 1095963;1428709157;Chillum;This guy: www.ebay.ca/itm/291335888282 1095964;1428709161;mircea_popescu;Chillum something's amiss, actually. the +25dBm needs to output >320 mW. your thing can't eat 300mW peak and also output 320. but anyway, usual commercial puffery. 1095965;1428709181;Chillum;ya, just reading what the website says 1095966;1428709190;Chillum;I may have misread too 1095967;1428709229;Chillum;These guys field test them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BYdZ_24yg0 1095968;1428709231;assbot;ESP8266 Wifi Range/Distance Tests (Wi07C) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IS7CJx ) 1095969;1428709242;Chillum;they get over a kilometer without an ext ant, more with 1095970;1428709284;mircea_popescu;yah pretty impressive. 1095971;1428709291;mircea_popescu;esp for how tiny it is. 1095972;1428709319;Chillum;indeed. Its impressive features include its tiny price, tiny size, and tiny power usage(even if it is over 300ma) 1095973;1428709354;Chillum;the old version was C only and that was great, now they have a lua interpreter which makes handling network connections so much easier 1095974;1428709373;Chillum;the lua interpreter is of course just C 1095975;1428709382;mircea_popescu;i'd imagine. 1095976;1428709384;Chillum;about 140k of C, very efficient 1095977;1428709430;Chillum;If you ever want to include a scripting language in an embedded device but don't have a lot of resources to spare, that is what lua was made for 1095978;1428709444;Chillum;it has very good sandboxing 1095979;1428709450;mircea_popescu;i gather. used extensively in gaming for this reason. 1095980;1428709455;whaack;Is there a way to prevent NickServ from dropping my account? It says I'm not registered now 1095981;1428709456;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095470 << lol. so russian :D 1095982;1428709456;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 20:14:35; ascii_field: go, use. 1095983;1428709471;mircea_popescu;whaack why would nickserv drop an account ? i never heard of this. 1095984;1428709479;mircea_popescu;but should prolly ask in #freenode. 1095985;1428709483;whaack;well I try to identify and it says I'm not registered 1095986;1428709488;Chillum;did you perhaps have 1 or 3 "a"s in your last username? 1095987;1428709489;mircea_popescu;wrong name ? 1095988;1428709518;Chillum;wrong irc network? 1095989;1428709576;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095482 << wait, that's legal where you live ? Terroristia ? 1095990;1428709576;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 20:16:42; Chillum: mats: I am going to hook it to a serial gps chip and make a tiny super low power war walker 1095991;1428709605;whaack;nope definitely 2 a's, I'll pop in freenode 1095992;1428709607;Chillum;all it does is listen 1095993;1428709623;Chillum;there is nothing illegal about listening to radio transmission on public bands 1095994;1428709642;Chillum;in fact it sends nothing so it is very hard to detect 1095995;1428709652;Chillum;(anything electical can technically be detected) 1095996;1428709680;mats;you know there are war driving communities that have likely already mapped your entire region, right 1095997;1428709688;Chillum;mats: what fun is that? 1095998;1428709701;Chillum;I walk anyways 1095999;1428709738;Chillum;my raspberry pi gets 9 hours from a small battery, the ESP8266 with a low power gps receiver will run off a small battery for days 1096000;1428709761;Chillum;it has a 2ms wake-up time so it can be in low power sleep mode and just check every 10 seconds 1096001;1428709768;Chillum;or 5 seconds 1096002;1428709796;mats;whatever gets you hard i guess 1096003;1428709802;Chillum;it does, really hard 1096004;1428709855;Chillum;I once made a "boss detector" with a raspberry pi. The bosses cell phone sent out wifi pings constantly, this told me if he was in wifi range by turning on a red light 1096005;1428709857;mircea_popescu;Chillum you blogging this ? 1096006;1428709867;Chillum;If I get it working I will 1096007;1428709876;mircea_popescu;plz blog this. pics, schematics, how tos, the works. 1096008;1428709883;Chillum;for sure 1096009;1428709888;Chillum;source code even 1096010;1428709893;mircea_popescu;and none of those "public blog service" shits either, 1096011;1428709899;Chillum;I use S3 for anything I host 1096012;1428709915;Chillum;and I use vim to make my pages 1096013;1428709918;Chillum;that is why they are so ugly 1096014;1428709942;Chillum;one day I will learn style sheets 1096015;1428710015;mircea_popescu;i use vi half the time. 1096016;1428710017;mircea_popescu;"The core problem is that C programmers think they can get away with doing much less than the Common Lisp programmer causes the computer to do. But this is actually wrong. Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable. They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will o 1096017;1428710017;mircea_popescu;nly make them miserable and hate their lives. People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself and get through such experiences. Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arg 1096018;1428710020;mircea_popescu;uments" that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Since you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride befo 1096019;1428710025;mircea_popescu;re it is over and you "lost"." 1096020;1428710027;mircea_popescu;this is actually some prime rib right there. 1096021;1428710034;mircea_popescu;i wonder if it's also actually correct. 1096022;1428710074;Chillum;I know I am not thorough enough to use C 1096023;1428710077;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: actually farting sarin gas and spitting bullets at your enemies would be your best bet. << Greatest challenge is storing it in the colon without absorbing it. 1096024;1428710080;Chillum;I wish others did 1096025;1428710100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80996 @ 0.00029272 = 23.7091 BTC [+] 1096026;1428710185;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095484 << this actually sounds like you could make a company. 1096027;1428710185;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 20:16:59; Chillum: but if you ever wanted to add a webserver to your lamp, this is the device 1096028;1428710196;asciilifeform; what exactly would prevent me from beating the shit out of the 'villagers' << i did try to point this out, l0l 1096029;1428710203;mircea_popescu;create a corp to market interruptors with a standard apache. 1096030;1428710212;Chillum;mircea_popescu: there is a youtube video of a guy making a wifi controllable lamp 1096031;1428710221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you did. i parse rather than compile, admittedly. 1096032;1428710232;Chillum;now someone can find a Lua code injection attack on your lamps webserver and use it to sniff your home network 1096033;1428710245;Chillum;because the chip can do runtime interpreting of code 1096034;1428710249;mircea_popescu;Chillum so make them secure. 1096035;1428710255;Chillum;and rewrite itself while running 1096036;1428710259;Chillum;good advice 1096037;1428710269;mircea_popescu;i seriously think you have a marketable product here. 1096038;1428710277;Chillum;Though embedded products are not well known for security 1096039;1428710282;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1096040;1428710305;Chillum;wifi lamps? Its been done 1096041;1428710314;mircea_popescu;no. aftermarket web-accessible switches. 1096042;1428710321;mircea_popescu;dyi type of item 1096043;1428710329;Chillum;I am working on a 8 channel wifi relay board 1096044;1428710332;asciilifeform; i used to have a huge library, i wouldnt buy a book today. << i still do, but it is shrinking, shrinking... 1096045;1428710332;Chillum;for general purpose 1096046;1428710335;Chillum;xmass lights and such 1096047;1428710349;Chillum;home automation etc 1096048;1428710370;Chillum;8x mechanical relays that can each handle 30 amps 220v 1096049;1428710375;mircea_popescu;only vaguely related, i wonder how well a "bid for this space in bitcoin" display advertising thing would work. 1096050;1428710381;Chillum;with an API, at least that is my goal 1096051;1428710395;mircea_popescu;completely decentralize media buying. 1096052;1428710415;Chillum;mircea_popescu: that is an interesting idea. How does bidding work? People just send their bid, then what happens when someone outbids them 1096053;1428710425;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095494 << imo not because incremental, but because poorly managed. 1096054;1428710425;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 20:18:35; ascii_field: -because- incremental. 1096055;1428710456;Chillum;it could sell specific time slots and the bidding could happen right up until it is chosen, then the losing bids sent back 1096056;1428710458;trinque;mircea_popescu: indeed; that job was a shitshow 1096057;1428710462;mircea_popescu;Chillum specify bitmap and time interval. goes to highest bidder. like adsense 1096058;1428710476;Chillum;but you would need a deposit to make sure bids are real 1096059;1428710482;asciilifeform; ... actually being a woman, especially if young, and very very easy is what offers the best chance of survival. << 'how to avoid drowning at sea?' 'be water' 1096060;1428710483;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1096061;1428710490;mircea_popescu;exactly alf. 1096062;1428710501;asciilifeform;or the old 'choose your parents carefully' (TM) 1096063;1428710509;Chillum;so refund bids to losers may work, or they could apply the credit to another ad 1096064;1428710512;mircea_popescu;not sure that'd help. choice problem 1096065;1428710520;mircea_popescu;the sorts of parents you'd choose are the problem in the firsat place. 1096066;1428710529;mircea_popescu;if you could be trusted to choose parents correctly doom wouldn't be upon us. 1096067;1428710543;mircea_popescu;Chillum just have people keep an acct with you. 1096068;1428710555;mircea_popescu;"if you don't have > 1 btc with me you can't bid at all, fu." 1096069;1428710557;Chillum;I see 1096070;1428710574;mircea_popescu;you ever see that film, wtf was it called. "GET SOME FUCKING MONEY" 1096071;1428710593;Chillum;one of the great things about bitcoin services is that accounts are not strictly needed. For example you could send a request to a service without any authentication, it could respond with a price and address 1096072;1428710597;Chillum;pay it and get your service 1096073;1428710645;Chillum;I know. You accept bids from everyone at any time. You get the amount of ad-time relative to the size of what you paid to the whole 1096074;1428710653;Chillum;that way no need for accounts or refunds 1096075;1428710664;mircea_popescu;Chillum this is what i said. 1096076;1428710667;trinque;and my ad runs for 3 seconds, lol 1096077;1428710677;mircea_popescu;"specify bitmap and time interval. goes to highest bidder." 1096078;1428710678;asciilifeform; ... dude, why so disdainful ? if you don't trust people you don't know on the basis of what they write << because i can see the hallmarks of educated mendacity. the man, whoever he is, knows that i know the history. and pretends otherwise, and that he has some sort of 'lesson' for old ignorant me. i know the type, they infest (or once did) my comments section. 1096079;1428710686;mircea_popescu;i guess it's not what i said. ITS WHAT I MEANT! 1096080;1428710688;mircea_popescu;like bitbet does it. 1096081;1428710689;Chillum;you said people would have an account, goes to the highest bidder 1096082;1428710698;Chillum;I said no account everyone gets some ad time 1096083;1428710701;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform methinks you might be seeing too much in there. 1096084;1428710703;Chillum;ah what you meant... 1096085;1428710711;mircea_popescu;Chillum dwim damnit! 1096086;1428710712;Chillum;glad I was able to help you put your ideas into works 1096087;1428710716;mircea_popescu;:) 1096088;1428710729;Chillum;that could work 1096089;1428710734;mircea_popescu;i am fortunate in that having been here a while, my ideas are already facts, so i can fall back on that lol. 1096090;1428710739;Chillum;too bad advertising is one of the greatest evils going 1096091;1428710751;mircea_popescu;yeah, too bad. 1096092;1428710761;mircea_popescu;is that a reference to the rape article ? 1096093;1428710792;asciilifeform; i wonder if it's also actually correct. << it doesn't -get- much more correct. 1096094;1428710803;asciilifeform;i'll sign under every word of it, fwiw. 1096095;1428710821;mircea_popescu;i can still wonder can't i! 1096096;1428710848;asciilifeform;aftermarket web-accessible switches << sold... 1096097;1428710867;asciilifeform;there are several vendors 1096098;1428710933;mircea_popescu;yeah but how much ? 1096099;1428710946;trinque;my end of that thread was that they're all shit 1096100;1428710956;trinque;and "they're all shit" is seen in many other parts of the US economy 1096101;1428710993;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095500 << he gave you a fine example tho. so someone hijacks his idle camera ? whatevs. 1096102;1428710993;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 20:19:28; ascii_field: Chillum: not all applications call for security << ?!?!!!! 1096103;1428711028;asciilifeform;at the very least, it becomes a ddos drone 1096104;1428711032;asciilifeform;and we so much need more of these. 1096105;1428711075;mircea_popescu;:) 1096106;1428711082;mircea_popescu;so WE would need his app to security ? 1096107;1428711107;asciilifeform;aha 1096108;1428711114;mircea_popescu;problem. 1096109;1428711120;asciilifeform;or, in world of tomorrow - he, to avoid beatings. 1096110;1428711132;mircea_popescu;but if he's forced to enforce your interest 1096111;1428711135;mircea_popescu;what of his freedom! 1096112;1428711161;asciilifeform;i live in the lands of beautiful freedom, where folks throw trash from moving cars etc 1096113;1428711165;asciilifeform;in celebration of it. 1096114;1428711174;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1096115;1428711220;asciilifeform;but in ip-over-gossip net, yes, pwned machine is solely the owner's grief, like his stolen bicycle. 1096116;1428711235;mircea_popescu;which is why that is a better design. 1096117;1428711246;asciilifeform;the only reasonable design. 1096118;1428711248;mircea_popescu;but i wouldn't sign off on him being beaten because tcp/ip sucks. 1096119;1428711265;asciilifeform;old net was gated. gossipnet - likewise gates. we, today - a perverse interregnum. 1096120;1428711270;asciilifeform;*gated 1096121;1428711321;asciilifeform;ad bid board << i had this idea, probably like everybody else 1096122;1428711360;asciilifeform;the fact of the matter appears to be (ben_vulpes and his experiment, etc) that the folks who pay for ads are largely the old cargo cultists and have very little to do with bitcoin, for perfectly logical reasons of it being a bugspray against their species 1096123;1428711384;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1096124;1428711675;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: whaack why would nickserv drop an account ? i never heard of this. << They drop registrations after just a few weeks of disuse, because Freenode 1096125;1428711691;mircea_popescu;ianae 1096126;1428711795;*;asciilifeform is presently wondering whether, if mircea_popescu's prescription 'be young and female' were an actual algorithm that folks could -execute- - how many would 1096127;1428711859;mircea_popescu;probably all those that are really female deep down. 1096128;1428711865;mircea_popescu;ie, the ones that actually give a shit. 1096129;1428711882;asciilifeform;and it isn't as if all the currently existing ones are pets in good homes. e.g, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#663930 1096130;1428711882;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2014 03:02:32; mircea_popescu: if you have 20 bux spare you'll get a manicure, maybe you find some guy that's not an asshoel. 1096131;1428711964;mircea_popescu;incidentally, it occurs to me : clearly the femspeak for male being "sociopath", ie, one who does not care about the consequences (this is the basis of the rape debate - men will fuck women for a cause, women wish to fuck towards a purpose), and the problem with "women in tech" being the aridity of the field to the femstyle, 1096132;1428711971;asciilifeform;and, also pertinently, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#663922 1096133;1428711971;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2014 03:00:40; mircea_popescu: this is like having a 40 yo chick come to you for dancing lessons and you telling her "missing ingredient is you being 20". why tyvm, mr expert guy! 1096134;1428711978;mircea_popescu;how long before the current processor (that acts from cause) is replaced with a new architecture, more femfriendly ? 1096135;1428711986;mircea_popescu;a processor that looks at what the EFFECTS of a computation would be 1096136;1428711994;mircea_popescu;rather than proceed from an imperative cause towards a computation 1096137;1428712008;mircea_popescu;you know, alligned with the entire irigaray " e = mc^2 is a sexed equation" 1096138;1428712012;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is ahead of the game as usual: 1096139;1428712016;asciilifeform;this -was made- 1096140;1428712025;mircea_popescu;lacan & co efforts to build an alt-physics didn't manage to do much, but mebbe it works in alt-cs? 1096141;1428712027;asciilifeform;it is called 'lazy evaluation' and is sop in the academiplague languages 1096142;1428712032;mircea_popescu;ah i c. 1096143;1428712032;asciilifeform;haskell, ml, the shebang 1096144;1428712035;mircea_popescu;well good for them! 1096145;1428712040;mircea_popescu;all is right with the world then. 1096146;1428712055;asciilifeform;urbit, incidentally. 1096147;1428712081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, all the proper females ARE pets in good homes. the remainder are like unemployed "employees" that are not so much unemployed as wilfully *unemployable*. 1096148;1428712101;mircea_popescu;not that admission is likely forthcoming. 1096149;1428712103;asciilifeform;it is a uniquely mind-destroying paradigm, also, because it makes reasoning about actual cost of execution on actual hardware virtually impossible. 1096150;1428712116;mircea_popescu;cost is a figment of the scarcity world. 1096151;1428712122;mircea_popescu;they transcended that. 1096152;1428712125;asciilifeform;aha. 1096153;1428712130;mircea_popescu;enter the world of abundance! 1096154;1428712133;asciilifeform;next step is 'breatharian diet.' 1096155;1428712139;asciilifeform;i wish them a speedy arrival at this step. 1096156;1428712143;Chillum;"all the proper females ARE pets in good homes"... ever had a wife? 1096157;1428712144;mircea_popescu;are you saying the emperor's naked ? 1096158;1428712150;mircea_popescu;Chillum nope. 1096159;1428712153;mircea_popescu;you married ? 1096160;1428712160;Chillum;well I do, and she is proper and not a pet 1096161;1428712166;asciilifeform;wai wat 1096162;1428712173;mircea_popescu;do you get along with her ? 1096163;1428712177;Chillum;yup 1096164;1428712179;asciilifeform;who, then, is the pet 1096165;1428712184;mircea_popescu;meets my definition of proper pet in good home., 1096166;1428712187;Chillum;we have 2 cats 1096167;1428712205;Chillum;so getting along with someone makes them a pet? I think you skipped some logical steps there 1096168;1428712206;mircea_popescu;you think the cats are your pets ?! 1096169;1428712206;asciilifeform;Chillum: why do you describe her as 'not a pet' ? 1096170;1428712209;whaack;BingoBoingo: I actually just never got the email that I needed to verify with. Reregistered and I still don't have the email. 1096171;1428712216;mircea_popescu;Chillum likely you just use the term in a particular way i don't. 1096172;1428712230;Chillum;asciilifeform: she contributes to the household, our cats do not 1096173;1428712237;Chillum;possibly 1096174;1428712243;Chillum;never known a cat to help pay the rent 1096175;1428712244;mircea_popescu;a pet doesn't have to be idle. 1096176;1428712253;Chillum;work animals != pets 1096177;1428712269;mircea_popescu;what about hamster with wheel ? 1096178;1428712273;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform: she contributes to the household, our cats do not << Do they neglect their anti-vermin duties? 1096179;1428712278;Chillum;barely aware of its own existence 1096180;1428712288;mircea_popescu;everyone is barely aware of their own existence. 1096181;1428712291;mircea_popescu;that's par for the course. 1096182;1428712303;Chillum;sometime on LSD I am acutely aware 1096183;1428712310;mircea_popescu;so they claim. 1096184;1428712316;Chillum;so I claim 1096185;1428712341;Chillum;though it is well established that nobody can prove their own self awareness 1096186;1428712341;mircea_popescu;so if i feed lsd to a cat it's gonna make a good wife ? 1096187;1428712354;Chillum;if you are desperate enough 1096188;1428712357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 263450 @ 0.00027756 = 73.1232 BTC [-] {2} 1096189;1428712361;asciilifeform;perhaps this was done, and i am lsd cat 1096190;1428712364;mircea_popescu;methinks your theory may have some holes in it. 1096191;1428712365;Chillum;if she is a pet then so am I 1096192;1428712375;mircea_popescu;good for you. what of it ? 1096193;1428712390;trinque;asciilifeform | perhaps this was done, and i am lsd cat << LOL 1096194;1428712393;Chillum;I suppose your advantage in this debate comes from your failure to define what you think pet means 1096195;1428712400;mircea_popescu;but i did, above. 1096196;1428712407;mircea_popescu;"do you get along with her ?" 1096197;1428712409;asciilifeform;Chillum: a tame creature you keep around because enjoy its company. 1096198;1428712425;Chillum;that is a very wide definition 1096199;1428712430;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't subscribe to alf's definitino. 1096200;1428712434;mircea_popescu;Chillum so it's wide. 1096201;1428712447;Chillum;the thing is 1096202;1428712447;mircea_popescu;it happens to exactly match the earlier female survival discussion. 1096203;1428712450;Chillum;my wife is not tame 1096204;1428712452;Chillum;she is very wild 1096205;1428712468;mircea_popescu;ever showed her this place ? 1096206;1428712468;asciilifeform;then perhaps Chillum is the pet ? 1096207;1428712481;Chillum;mircea_popescu: she would not get it 1096208;1428712483;Chillum;I don't get it 1096209;1428712494;Chillum;I am not tame either. I am insidious 1096210;1428712500;Chillum;I play tame 1096211;1428712507;asciilifeform;my pet is following along this thread. 1096212;1428712511;mircea_popescu;aha. well, ima eat, but brb. 1096213;1428712520;asciilifeform;speaking of eating... 1096214;1428712521;Chillum;on the internet, nobody knows you are a dog 1096215;1428712527;*;asciilifeform goes to eat things 1096216;1428712601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 272500 @ 0.00027614 = 75.2482 BTC [-] {4} 1096217;1428712608;whaack; /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER whaack aiufgzrktdck 1096218;1428712615;whaack; /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER whaack aiufgzrktdck 1096219;1428712623;mats;go on 1096220;1428712628;whaack;sry 1096221;1428712713;trinque;lol 1096222;1428712716;Chillum;fail 1096223;1428712719;trinque;ahahahaha 1096224;1428712722;Chillum;good password though 1096225;1428712730;Chillum;did you memorize it? 1096226;1428712740;hanbot;shitty pw. no numbers no nothing. 1096227;1428712751;trinque;hanbot: all I see over here is ******* 1096228;1428712753;hanbot;get better passwwords. 1096229;1428712756;Chillum;there are 26 letters and 10 numbers. Number have less entropy 1096230;1428712783;hanbot;letter W has most legs, best password WWWWWWW 1096231;1428712788;trinque;whaack: so I might have a theory on why you can't keep your nicks 1096232;1428712792;Chillum;10^26 = 1.1447546×10²⁸ enough entropy for a remote service 1096233;1428712824;hanbot;if there's 10^26 bits of entropy in that thing I will eat someone's pet. 1096234;1428712830;Chillum;using numbers only adds entropy when you randomly selecty them from the same set as the letters 1096235;1428712845;whaack;that's not a password 1096236;1428712851;whaack;that's the verification code for my email 1096237;1428712857;Chillum;oh lol 1096238;1428712862;mats;jesus, reading your text makes my face hurt Chillum 1096239;1428712865;Chillum;been so long since I registered 1096240;1428712872;hanbot;ah. 1096241;1428712877;Chillum;well, you could move your face away from me if that helps 1096242;1428712879;whaack;i use word lists for passwords, i have a decent understanding of information theory 1096243;1428712896;Chillum;good to know 1096244;1428712926;Chillum;given that the code in question was a machine generated e-mail verification code I would say you should start eating someones pet 1096245;1428712958;BingoBoingo;mats: Did you sleep yet? 1096246;1428712960;hanbot;is this entropy-logic? 1096247;1428712976;mats;about to 1096248;1428712976;Chillum;though the vowel consonant grouping is a bit suspicious 1096249;1428713053;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Entropy logic is patent GBBG by Google Images of AusieDude and GrumpySpamLady. License available with Founder shares, pls buy... 1096250;1428713099;Chillum;I saw a nice talk about a password creator that created small sentence fragments from very long lists of words. The user could enter the words in any order and with known mispellings and it would still pass. All while making sure you get the requested entropy 1096251;1428713108;Chillum;the idea is that humans can remember more entropy when it is in a story form 1096252;1428713127;Chillum;we can remember concepts at much higher information levels than random strings 1096253;1428713149;trinque;neat concept 1096254;1428713154;whaack;I'm sure you've seen https://xkcd.com/936/ 1096255;1428713156;assbot;xkcd: Password Strength ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxAY0J ) 1096256;1428713157;Chillum;I thought so 1096257;1428713157;hanbot;BingoBoingo, lol 1096258;1428713161;Chillum;correct horse battery staple 1096259;1428713173;Chillum;the bitcoin brain wallet with a lot of deposits and withdrawls 1096260;1428713184;BingoBoingo;Chillum: Probably could be stronger if you take a sentence from Kritik de Rheinen Vernuft and replace 10 of he words in sentence with diceware determined words. 1096261;1428713209;Chillum;it could be stronger if you asked it for more entropy. It creates the password with the entropy you request 1096262;1428713221;BingoBoingo;Sentence from kritik provides structure to remember words with. 1096263;1428713223;Chillum;I suppose "search space" is more accurate than entropy 1096264;1428713232;Chillum;I see 1096265;1428713239;Chillum;so you could remember more 1096266;1428713250;BingoBoingo;full sentence not typed into box, just the dice words. 1096267;1428713272;BingoBoingo;Sentence can go on for pages i Kritiq so password box would hate you over full sentence. 1096268;1428713279;Chillum;the amount of information someone and relay to a sketch artist about a persons face is in the hundreds of Kb, but our brain has hardware acceleration for faces and we can't normalize the data ourselves 1096269;1428713304;Chillum;any password system with a character limit should die 1096270;1428713346;BingoBoingo;Sure, but do you really want to make poor password checker hash all of that German? 1096271;1428713351;Chillum;It would be neat if we could hack our face detection brain hardware to do something else like we have hacked graphics cards for hashing 1096272;1428713416;BingoBoingo;Graphics cards were never really "hacked for hashing" Bitcoin just came along on the exact time AMD graphics cards came into their own as massively parallel compute devices 1096273;1428713418;Chillum;like a computer shows something similar to a face while monitoring your brainwaves and harvesting your computational data 1096274;1428713434;Chillum;umm long before bitcoin they were hashing passwords with them 1096275;1428713464;BingoBoingo;Sure 1096276;1428713467;Chillum;and it was a hack 1096277;1428713487;Chillum;they had to rewrite the hashing algos to use the available features 1096278;1428713501;BingoBoingo;Hah, a hack is when you use a pck of dragonfly brains in parallel to acelerate the search for good porn. 1096279;1428713516;Chillum;I love how many cheap used GPUs are being sold by miners who got on the bus late 1096280;1428713524;Chillum;makes password hashing cheaper 1096281;1428713573;Chillum;a lot of ebay auctions for top of the line video cards saying "Bought it for bitcoin mining, asics came out" 1096282;1428713584;Chillum;though you roll the dice on used cards 1096283;1428713621;whaack;I'm confused as to why anyone would care about using GPUs to hash passwords 1096284;1428713643;BingoBoingo;whaack: To search for passwords against a lsit of hashes of course 1096285;1428713667;whaack;ah :D 1096286;1428713696;BingoBoingo;whaack: GPUs to password has is the solution when you don't have access to person with password and an anthill 1096287;1428713825;BingoBoingo;http://thebulletin.org/does-going-%E2%80%9C-grid%E2%80%9D-actually-help-climate8191 << I wonder if Tesla is going to market sane NiFe to homeowners or instead going to create the greatest national fire hazard in history. Basement is probably the worst place for a massive battery bank and lithium worst way to do it. 1096288;1428713826;assbot;Does going “off the grid” actually help the climate? | Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxCZKj ) 1096289;1428714035;mircea_popescu;Chillum so do you ever pet her ? 1096290;1428714058;Chillum;I don't pet and tell 1096291;1428714070;Chillum;but we are married, you do the math 1096292;1428714077;mircea_popescu;i suppose we could put the string through teh entropy tests... but no, doesn't look like it's 8/8. 1096293;1428714119;mircea_popescu;anyway, re narrative pws : that's how wikileaks managed to lose control of a db, innit. 1096294;1428714143;mircea_popescu;humans are great at telling stories and horrible at telling anything but the same ones. 1096295;1428714186;Chillum;"I went out the door and got my mail" <-- terrible... "If I went to the market I would buy bananas and then go south to the dry cleaner" much better 1096296;1428714190;mircea_popescu;Chillum re face etc : pretty sure future is in wetware. 1096297;1428714204;mircea_popescu;and no, not much better. 1096298;1428714214;Chillum;wetware is an interesting idea but the further we go in technology the less likely it seems to be 1096299;1428714226;mircea_popescu;something off trilema, somewhat better. otherwise... recall that klingon line pw that got got ? 1096300;1428714233;Chillum;I doubt you could guess it 1096301;1428714233;mircea_popescu;how do you reason ? 1096302;1428714250;mircea_popescu;well i don't hack pws, so that's a safe bet. 1096303;1428714257;Chillum;I do 1096304;1428714288;Chillum;by wetware do you mean human brains assisting computers, or do you mean biological computers? 1096305;1428714331;Chillum;early in computer science it was believed that computers were like brains and that with enough resources they could simulate one. As we progress it becomes more and more clear that brains are nothing like a computer 1096306;1428714348;Chillum;and that the best way to simulate a brain with a computer is to simulate atoms, ie not very efficient 1096307;1428714349;mircea_popescu;i mean biological compouters 1096308;1428714355;mircea_popescu;the ancient thread is re dragonflies 1096309;1428714357;Chillum;oh well that is another story 1096310;1428714363;Chillum;bilogocial computers are on the way 1096311;1428714367;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1096312;1428714376;Chillum;probably memory first 1096313;1428714382;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1096314;1428714387;mircea_popescu;but yeah, brain nothing like computer. 1096315;1428714403;Chillum;Amazon web services just announced cloud machine learning 1096316;1428714408;Chillum;so skynet is basically here 1096317;1428714435;Chillum;it seems skynet is mostly interesting in the status quo 1096318;1428714468;mircea_popescu;"Basement is probably the worst place for a massive battery bank and lithium worst way to do it." << word. 1096319;1428714485;Chillum;I am wracking my brain to think of a good use for machine learning, I like to play with all the new AWS toys 1096320;1428714492;mircea_popescu;ESPECIALLY in shitty vinyl siding and "insulation" concotions on "light" (= cheap wood and glue pressboard) frames. 1096321;1428714506;mircea_popescu;!up SquirtPrincess 1096322;1428714510;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I mean fire's favorite direction is up. That and Lithium batteries have a shit lifetime anyways. 1096323;1428714538;mircea_popescu;yeah you can prolly get some pretty major combustihouse events. 1096324;1428714556;Chillum;lith-ion batteries are electrical, chemical and metal fires 1096325;1428714569;Chillum;you do not want to try to smother them or throw anything on them at all 1096326;1428714583;Chillum;they provide their own oxygen 1096327;1428714591;*;BingoBoingo imagines NiFe in shitty rusted file cabinets in the shed with the lawnmower is a much better place 1096328;1428714597;Chillum;very toxic fumes too 1096329;1428714599;Chillum;basically just run 1096330;1428714609;mircea_popescu;Chillum im not so sure the aws "machine learning" works much better than sussman's tic tac toe machine 1096331;1428714621;Chillum;it is the same thing they use in house 1096332;1428714624;Chillum;to market to people 1096333;1428714639;Chillum;it has its limits but it find patterns in a way not other computer technology can 1096334;1428714666;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo still, will need a lot. 1096335;1428714666;Chillum;it is really good at recognizing suspicious transactions once it has seen enough good and bad ones 1096336;1428714692;mircea_popescu;Chillum from what i hear it's the same process they use to "detect terrorism" nowadays. 1096337;1428714697;mircea_popescu;not so sure it does anything, but hey. 1096338;1428714703;Chillum;the tech has improved only a little(mostly optimizations) since machine learning was invented 1096339;1428714711;Chillum;but the resources it has are enormous 1096340;1428714730;Chillum;it gives you a score which you take with a grain of salt. It is designed to be better than random, not perfect 1096341;1428714738;mircea_popescu;right. 1096342;1428714786;mircea_popescu;"ascii_field: the only thing i can promise for the $trillion is: more material for the next fella to work with" << oddly, this sounds exactly like social studies. 1096343;1428714791;mircea_popescu;and you're not even black! 1096344;1428714823;Chillum;say you have sent out 10,000 spams to people and 200 answered. You put all the info about those people into it and who answer and who did not. It can then be given a list of other people with the same kind of information and figure out who is more likely to respond 1096345;1428714830;Chillum;and all with no concept of what the information actually means 1096346;1428714850;Chillum;there are probably less evil applications too 1096347;1428714852;mircea_popescu;your list is too small to work. 1096348;1428714871;Chillum;that depends on how clear the pattern is 1096349;1428714875;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure. but even place with indications of value can hold a lot. 1096350;1428714878;Chillum;when it comes to responding to spam you are probably right 1096351;1428714887;mircea_popescu;besides, 2% response rate ? web advertising does a lot of fraud to come up to 0.1-0.3% CTR. 1096352;1428714895;mircea_popescu;that would be 10-20 people in the 10k. 1096353;1428714934;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095558 << at this rate he's gonna start work on cardano any day now! 1096354;1428714934;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 20:29:20; trinque: chart a course towards the smallest of them, and towards selling it as well 1096355;1428714945;Chillum;it was an example 1096356;1428714952;Chillum;the number were chosen for simplicity 1096357;1428714960;mircea_popescu;jus' sayin'. 1096358;1428714963;Chillum;I thought that was obvious 1096359;1428714969;BingoBoingo;Chillum: Lithium batteries are like forest fires. You can try to contain the damage by keeping them from spreading. Also sand is an extinguishing option. 1096360;1428714986;mircea_popescu;does sand do anything even ? 1096361;1428715011;Chillum;BingoBoingo: the sand is mostly about preventing molten metal from flying out. It does not smother it because it has its own oxygen 1096362;1428715033;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It turns into a crude glass and absorbs heat energy in the course of that. Worthless if on wooden desk, pretty useful if on bare concrete 1096363;1428715039;Chillum;my dad was a fireman so he is always talking about this stuff 1096364;1428715053;mircea_popescu;aha 1096365;1428715057;Chillum;yes it does absorb heat too 1096366;1428715064;Chillum;which contains but does not extinguish 1096367;1428715066;mircea_popescu;phase transition, makes sense. 1096368;1428715090;*;BingoBoingo wants to acquire firetruck and not sound like an idiot, reads so that when day somes will not seem like complete idiot. 1096369;1428715102;mircea_popescu;hey, you should volunteer 1096370;1428715108;mircea_popescu;i hear they get free sex shows. 1096371;1428715109;Chillum;you just need a reason for the big tank 1096372;1428715146;Chillum;those things are so massive when full of water 1096373;1428715148;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I need to get in far better shape. Volunteers get Illinois "pensions" so very competive. 1096374;1428715151;Chillum;they need to plan their stops 1096375;1428715166;Chillum;some have two steering wheels, on in the front and another in the back for the rear driver 1096376;1428715172;Chillum;rear wheel 1096377;1428715180;mircea_popescu;yup 1096378;1428715191;mircea_popescu;actually so dangerous to drive half full they never do 1096379;1428715195;mircea_popescu;every usage is a full empty. 1096380;1428715211;Chillum;I was 12 when my dad invited me to come along to a fire. When we got there he made me get out fo the truck then pushed a car away from a fire hydrant with the truck 1096381;1428715215;Chillum;he was _NOT_ gentle 1096382;1428715218;Chillum;so cool 1096383;1428715243;Chillum;the parking breaks were on, it moved anyways. lotta smoke 1096384;1428715254;mircea_popescu;srsly, im all for this. no more "park by hydrant" laws, but put those old train pusher things on firetrucks. 1096385;1428715260;mircea_popescu;you park next to one, you take your chances. 1096386;1428715262;BingoBoingo;Both Parents were EMTs at various points in their careers 1096387;1428715274;Chillum;they will either ram your car with their truck, harder than they need to of course 1096388;1428715283;Chillum;or they will break your windows and put the fire hose through your car 1096389;1428715294;Chillum;fire hoses of course pour water out every surface so they don't burn 1096390;1428715299;Chillum;which fills the car 1096391;1428715303;mircea_popescu;tbh, in many european towns it's unheard of to leave brake on when parked. 1096392;1428715310;mircea_popescu;because people WILL NEED TO PUSH YOU AROUND 1096393;1428715316;mircea_popescu;eight billion dints on every car. 1096394;1428715328;Chillum;lol so you get to your parking spot and start search ing the area? 1096395;1428715334;mircea_popescu;yup 1096396;1428715339;mircea_popescu;sometimes find car two streets over. 1096397;1428715436;BingoBoingo;In present vehicle's previous life as rental car parking break cable became welded in engaged position. Mechanic corrected situation with bolt cutters. 1096398;1428715470;Chillum;buttslol - creamy01 - a1b2c3d4 - christ people use stupid passwords 1096399;1428715515;*;Chillum loves nummy low hanging fruit 1096400;1428715519;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095609 << stalin. don't play coy alf! 1096401;1428715519;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 20:38:00; ascii_field: trinque: who was korolev's capitalist ? 1096402;1428715524;*;BingoBoingo more attracted to firetruck as giant toolbox than as firefighting implement. Also water cannon 1096403;1428715544;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you could just get one of those garden party water cannons 1096404;1428715574;Chillum;lol, the Victoria fire department(different than my dads) got a water canon. First fire they took it out they fired it at a window, missed and knocked down the wall 1096405;1428715583;Chillum;I saw it, so funny 1096406;1428715603;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, I want serious "get off my lawn" power. Also tilling the garden hydraulicly would be pretty sweet. 1096407;1428715630;mircea_popescu;buts 1096408;1428715632;mircea_popescu;i mean nuts. 1096409;1428715640;Chillum;BingoBoingo: I saw a device that automatically sprayed water at birds and deer. Modify it a bit and it will work against humanbs 1096410;1428715653;Chillum;replace hose with water canon] 1096411;1428715657;mircea_popescu;have the pets wear chiffon, even better. 1096412;1428715671;Chillum;nutslol 1096413;1428715700;Chillum;the "buttslol" password is from a lulu lemon show, they sell the spanks that make girls ass look good when they are not 1096414;1428715707;Chillum;s/show/shop/ 1096415;1428715714;Chillum;false advertising 1096416;1428715723;Chillum;you take them home, get the spanks off and WTF?! 1096417;1428715729;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095344 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095345 < note this this is how singapore was built, more or less 1096418;1428715729;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:43:08; ascii_field: trinque: the normal paradigm of investment and return fails here 1096419;1428715729;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 19:43:33; ascii_field: because the only approach that i believe to be correct, will result in something tangible only long after we are all dead. 1096420;1428715762;BingoBoingo;Chillum: Edging back garden with peppers handles deer/birds usually. As do the coyotes/feral cats. Getting drunk and pissing in yard handles coyotes. 1096421;1428715770;BingoBoingo;!up propumpkin 1096422;1428715790;mircea_popescu;decimation the guy only died recently. 1096423;1428715792;Chillum;I used to do a bit of deep forest gardening. I would use capsicum liquid all over to keep the deer away 1096424;1428715817;Chillum;also piss everywhere 1096425;1428715875;BingoBoingo;Chillum: This is a rural/Suburban border town. Deer cull very effective here. Now when I lived in Carbondale... Deer raided the garbage dumpsters more than the raccoons did. 1096426;1428715891;Chillum;city deer are nothing like forest deer 1096427;1428715910;BingoBoingo;;;google SIU Deer attacks 1096428;1428715911;gribble;SIU warns campus about deer attacks - The Daily Illini : News: ; Three Injured In Deer Attack On SIU's Carbondale Campus | ksdk.com: ; Deer attacking students at SIU - tribunedigital-chicagotribune: ... oddly, this sounds exactly like social studies. << astronomy/astrology. note how useful -legit- astronomy was for most of its history. 1096521;1428718407;mircea_popescu;heh. 1096522;1428718411;mircea_popescu;very. VERY. 1096523;1428718414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... stalin << aha, who else 1096524;1428718597;decimation;asciilifeform: by "nobody solves problems at google" I assume you mean in the "from first principles" sense? 1096525;1428718635;mircea_popescu;its not altogether clear what all happens at google. 1096526;1428718678;mircea_popescu;on one hand, their patent inability to come up with anything worth the mention since adwords would be concerning. on the other hand, naggum's observation that you wouldn't know smarter than you if it hit you on the head holds a lot of water. 1096527;1428718680;mircea_popescu;!up Cummerbund 1096528;1428718793;decimation;I suspect what happens at google: many people write and re-write the same bits of software 1096529;1428718818;Cummerbund;In three different stacks 1096530;1428718827;mircea_popescu;dude... somewhere there must be a lawyer who legally changed his name to 1096531;1428718832;mircea_popescu;Best Lawyers von Court 1096532;1428718836;decimation;heh 1096533;1428718846;mircea_popescu;Cummerbund who're you ? 1096534;1428718885;decimation;are you from the uk? 1096535;1428718886;Cummerbund;William Dunne, I embarrassed myself here previously. 1096536;1428718890;Cummerbund;Yes 1096537;1428718932;mircea_popescu;o i c. 1096538;1428718951;decimation;it's a bit late there isn't it? 1096539;1428718966;Cummerbund;Yes, I typically work Australian hours 1096540;1428718973;Chillum;it is not hard to embarrass yourself here, everyone here is always right 1096541;1428718985;Chillum;it has happened to me several times 1096542;1428719027;Cummerbund;It was more naivety before learning what needs to be learned, so rightly I was embarrassed (As opposed to just wrong) 1096543;1428719130;whaack;I interned at Google in NYC 1096544;1428719158;decimation;whaack: did you write in go? 1096545;1428719172;whaack;Nope 1096546;1428719185;mircea_popescu;malbolge ? 1096547;1428719196;asciilifeform;decimation: i did not say that nobody solves problems at 'google.' merely that no one is hired to 'solve problem.' rather, folks are hired as fungible meat robots. 1096548;1428719211;whaack;Googlified javascript 1096549;1428719275;decimation;asciilifeform: right, meat robot is given perimeter in which to work 1096550;1428719307;asciilifeform;more to the point, anyone hired with a public advertisement in reference to particular programming languages is hired as meatrobot 1096551;1428719313;asciilifeform;regardless of the pay 1096552;1428719330;whaack;(It's javascript with static type checking) 1096553;1428719369;asciilifeform;'hired to solve problem' means that you are theoretically free to do it with a computer made of trained squirrels pushing trinary equations, so long as this fits the constraints set by the client. 1096554;1428719428;decimation;asciilifeform: by that definition, nearly everybody working 'in tech' today is a slave 1096555;1428719472;asciilifeform;decimation: it is all a matter of what constraints you are willing to work in 1096556;1428719536;asciilifeform;see last paragraph of http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3181075346296330@naggum.net.html for instance. 1096557;1428719537;assbot;Re: On comparing apples and oranges (was: Q: on hashes and counting) - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuT8UV ) 1096558;1428719558;decimation;asciilifeform: what fascinates me is the fact that even the higher management who is nominally 'free' find themselves enslaves to apple's paradigm (for example, making iphone clones) 1096559;1428719589;asciilifeform;'Using such inferior languages is like asking a chef who could have done wonders with any kind of raw materials, to use a dirty kitchen, a broken refrigerator with food that is about to die a second time, broken tools, and brownish tap water that tasted of swamp land. His first task would be to clean up the place. Creating food in there would be the furthest from his mind. That's how I feel about Perl and C++. I prefer to 1096560;1428719589;asciilifeform;call it "good taste", not "tunnel vision".' 1096561;1428719633;asciilifeform;decimation: the brass are among the least-free 1096562;1428719641;asciilifeform;decimation: they answer to the lizards. 1096563;1428719682;asciilifeform;or - worse - to the chump market. 1096564;1428719706;decimation;well, to be clear, the chump market as represented by wall street fund managers 1096565;1428719763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ehg for all you know working at google is essentially having to report on this private irc server twice a week 1096566;1428719789;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have (or rather had) a mole there. 1096567;1428719797;mircea_popescu;i meant meta-google 1096568;1428719800;*;mircea_popescu gets last chuckle. 1096569;1428719801;asciilifeform;meta-google - aha. 1096570;1428719823;decimation;yeah who are the lizards who run google? 1096571;1428719828;mircea_popescu;but srsly, i can't for the life of me imagine a different way to run a tech corp these days. 1096572;1428719834;asciilifeform;(consists, naturally, of a miniature google circa 2001 preserved in amber) 1096573;1428719835;mircea_popescu;totally ruined for "VC" bs. 1096574;1428719850;mircea_popescu;(vc here means videoconf) 1096575;1428719883;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ yo. 1096576;1428719885;mircea_popescu;!up funkenstein_ 1096577;1428719892;asciilifeform;eh, video is not the innermost circle of hell 1096578;1428719895;funkenstein_;yo :) 1096579;1428719900;decimation;funkenstein_: congrats on getting groupies 1096580;1428719902;mircea_popescu;so when do i get to read your pdf ? 1096581;1428719906;funkenstein_;haha 1096582;1428719912;funkenstein_;http://frass.woodcoin.org/the-majority-is-enough/ 1096583;1428719914;assbot;“The Majority is Enough” | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuUaQP ) 1096584;1428719938;mircea_popescu;aha! 1096585;1428719980;funkenstein_;much hullabaloo over not much content 1096586;1428720003;funkenstein_;but hey i learned .. thanks ::) 1096587;1428720038;mircea_popescu;usually how it goes. 1096588;1428720046;funkenstein_;since vixra comes up again here's one of the other great things you can find there 1096589;1428720068;funkenstein_;http://vixra.org/pdf/1502.0039v1.pdf 1096590;1428720069;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuUDm8 ) 1096591;1428720073;funkenstein_;oh crap pdf again 1096592;1428720124;asciilifeform;'One of the reasons I stayed at JPL for twelve years was that I was appalled at what the software industry had become. The management world has tried to develop software engineering processes that allow people to be plugged into them like interchangeable components. The "interface specification" for these "components" usually involves a list of tools in which an engineer has received "training." (I really detest the use of the 1096593;1428720124;asciilifeform; word "training" in relation to professional activities. Training is what you do to dogs. What you should be doing with people is educating them, not training them. There is a big, big difference.) To my mind, the hallmark of the interchangeable component model of software engineers is Java. Without going into too many details, I'll just say that having programmed in Lisp the shortcomings of Java are glaringly obvious, and pro 1096594;1428720125;asciilifeform;gramming in Java means a life of continual and unremitting pain. So I vowed I would never be a Java programmer, which pretty much shut me out of 90% of all software engineering jobs in the late 90's. This was OK since I was managing to put together a reasonably successful career as a researcher. But after Remote Agent I found myself more and more frustrated, and the opportunity to work at Google just happened to coincide with 1096595;1428720130;asciilifeform;a local frustration maximum. ... One of the reasons I decided to go work for Google was that they were not using Java. So of course you can guess what my first assignment was: lead the inaugural Java development at the company, what eventually became Google AdWords. ... And that was the end of Lisp at Google. In retrospect I am not convinced that he made the wrong decision. The interchangeable component model of software engin 1096596;1428720134;asciilifeform;eers seemed to work reasonably well there. It's just not a business model in which I wish to be involved, at least not on the component-provider side. So after a year at Google I quit and returned to JPL.' << the once well-known erann gatt, aka ron garrett. 1096597;1428720139;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ 1096598;1428720141;asciilifeform;re: fungible engineers. 1096599;1428720144;asciilifeform;(classic piece) 1096600;1428720203;Cummerbund;You guys' all remind me how terrible my writing skills are. Nice post funkenstein_ 1096601;1428720244;mircea_popescu;bad writing is just the outside manifestation of a dysfunctional mind. 1096602;1428720246;decimation;asciilifeform: but does working as a usg employee at jpl really free him from java hell? 1096603;1428720264;asciilifeform;decimation: it did. for a while, anyway. 1096604;1428720276;asciilifeform;decimation: i have no idea what kind of hell he is presently roasting in. ask'im. 1096605;1428720281;funkenstein_;thanks mate 1096606;1428720286;mircea_popescu;someone should write a sf piece about a deranged capitalist who deliberately buys up software outfits to torture the engineers. 1096607;1428720306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was written already, in a parallel universe where this was not the actuality. 1096608;1428720312;mircea_popescu;lol 1096609;1428720321;decimation;mircea_popescu: of course, most of the actual slave driving is directly done by.. engineers in management 1096610;1428720331;Cummerbund;mircea_popescu: Do you mean if the subject matter is poor? I'm merely referring to sentence structure. I would at least like to pretend that the subject matter is okay 1096611;1428720336;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/bitcoin-baron-vigilante-vandal-caught/ 1096612;1428720337;assbot;"Bitcoin Baron" Vigilante Vandal Caught | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuVljm ) 1096613;1428720340;mircea_popescu;Cummerbund just tweaking your chain a little. 1096614;1428720341;asciilifeform;in reality, the whole thing is a game-theoretical boojum 1096615;1428720363;asciilifeform;men-as-fungible-parts ends up 'winning', at least in the short term. 1096616;1428720367;mircea_popescu;a vigilante vandal ? v is prolly very jealous. 1096617;1428720387;decimation;asciilifeform: just like 'first-to-market-crapware' is also a short term winning strategy 1096618;1428720417;mircea_popescu;i don;t think "men as parts" is actually all that good. 1096619;1428720427;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/bitcoin-baron-vigilante-vandal-caught/ 1096620;1428720433;asciilifeform;'On April 9, a search warrant was served at Tucker's home and a computer had an operating system used by hackers, DPS said.' 1096621;1428720451;mircea_popescu;^ ubuntu. 1096622;1428720499;asciilifeform;terroruntu. 1096623;1428720509;mircea_popescu;unto-u 1096624;1428720541;decimation;I suspect the 'men-as-parts' strategy is primarily implemented by the aforementioned engineer managers with poor social skills 1096625;1428720703;asciilifeform;naggum's 'managing an unskilled labor force means easy access to people who are skilled in whatever is needed right now, not an investment in people -- which leads to the conclusion that a programmer is only as valuable as his ability to get another job fast.' 1096626;1428720740;asciilifeform;( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html , mega-classic ) 1096627;1428720740;assbot;Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuWt6x ) 1096628;1428720767;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, in general tech seems to be managed on a 'what have done for me lately' basis 1096629;1428720778;asciilifeform;but the basic idea is as old as the industrial nunneries of the 19th c. 1096630;1428720780;*;funkenstein_ can't wrap head around node.js program flow 1096631;1428720797;asciilifeform;or the replacement of slavery with wage slavery in general. 1096632;1428720819;asciilifeform;why invest in people when you can catch them in the wild, use them until spent, throw out. 1096633;1428720855;funkenstein_;sounds like an investment 1096634;1428720867;asciilifeform;when any approach other than arbeit macht frei is made countereconomic, don't be surprised when you get arbeit macht frei. 1096635;1428721023;asciilifeform;as pictured in http://trilema.com/2014/a-piece-of-cake 1096636;1428721023;assbot;A piece of cake on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuXdsg ) 1096637;1428721033;asciilifeform;;;isitup trilema.com 1096638;1428721033;gribble;Error: "isitup" is not a valid command. 1096639;1428721036;asciilifeform;;;isup trilema.com 1096640;1428721037;decimation;asciilifeform: european welfare statism is fucktarded, but they do have a degree of escape from this treadmill 1096641;1428721040;gribble;trilema.com is down 1096642;1428721044;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ 1096643;1428721063;asciilifeform;decimation: escape ? 1096644;1428721103;decimation;they can't be easily fired, generally treated with a degree of 'tenure' 1096645;1428721121;decimation;'they' being industrial positions in germany, etc 1096646;1428721165;asciilifeform;escape 'from frying pan to fire,' this. 1096647;1428721312;decimation;asciilifeform: they have an 'apprenticeship' system in germany too 1096648;1428721362;asciilifeform;decimation: my understanding is that germany, like japan, had a few living scraps of functional tradition survive the 20th c. woodchipper 1096649;1428721374;asciilifeform;unlike the english world, for example 1096650;1428721405;asciilifeform;one of the reason the english nailed them with such vengeance, trashing the entire planet in the process 1096651;1428721441;asciilifeform;it was the envy of the crippled ephialtes, who knows exactly what he is, for the healthy spartans. 1096652;1428721448;asciilifeform;specifically as pictured in the film, even. 1096653;1428721452;asciilifeform;!s ephialtes 1096654;1428721453;assbot;11 results for 'ephialtes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ephialtes 1096655;1428721549;decimation;asciilifeform: it even manifested physically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1020488 1096656;1428721549;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2015 04:18:04; decimation: the 'forced exercise' idea reminds me of a passage in the 'rise and fall of the third reich': "The young in the Third Reich were growing up to have strong and healthy bodies, faith in the future of their country and in themselves and a sense of fellowship and camaraderie that shattered all class and economic and social barriers. I thought of that later, in the May days of 1940, when along the road betwee 1096657;1428721575;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2015#1020489 1096658;1428721575;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2015 04:18:05; decimation: the contrast between the German soldiers, bronzed and clean-cut from a youth spent in the sunshine on an adequate diet, and the first British war prisoners, with their hollow chests, round shoulders, pasty complexions and bad teeth – tragic examples of the youth that England had neglected so irresponsibly in the years between the wars." 1096659;1428721578;asciilifeform;very much this. 1096660;1428721629;asciilifeform;the english got a massive head start by having been the inventors of the turn-people-into-industrial-feedstock thing. 1096661;1428721645;decimation;imagine being one of these young germans at dunkirk, watching the sad sacks from britianna derp around 1096662;1428721669;asciilifeform;notably, this -required- widespread misery of a kind superficially unrelated to industry, to make industry practical 1096663;1428721685;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-11-2014#933250 << see also. 1096664;1428721685;assbot;Logged on 24-11-2014 23:13:14; asciilifeform: ultimately, being a builder of industry at the 1917 (or even today's) tech level, fundamentally sucks. as in, the same way being in prison sucks. so stalin et. al. tried experiment: what if being a peasant sucked -more- ? and - it worked. 1096665;1428721739;asciilifeform;i will not re-tell the 'vagrancy laws' thing here, it is amply covered in the literature. 1096666;1428721746;decimation; as in 'if the peasants don't want to work in the factory - starve them until they do?' 1096667;1428721763;asciilifeform;but short version is that to have 'volunteers' for english industry, they turned their countryside into the closest thing possible at their tech level to an open air gulag 1096668;1428721792;decimation;'poor house' workshops? 1096669;1428721806;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049423 1096670;1428721806;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 01:35:08; mircea_popescu: btw, anyone know how cockney got to be called that ? 1096671;1428722241;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's again put it in terms of sex. given the choice does it seem a better strategy to keep long term warm intimate relations with a long list of sluts, or does it seem more workable to just keep the yellow pages close and hope the massage salon person understands what you mean ? 1096672;1428722274;asciilifeform;depends on what you have to work with, no ? 1096673;1428722297;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah i know, i'll be suing a dc, moving the thing etc. 1096674;1428722323;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "have to work with" ? 1096675;1428722325;decimation;mircea_popescu: is this related to the dcma thing? 1096676;1428722346;mircea_popescu;yup 1096677;1428722376;mircea_popescu;the us legal system has managed to put anyone trying to provide services into this position of "fucked either way". 1096678;1428722389;mircea_popescu;not that i care, i'll be making money on this deal, but from a systemic perspective it sucks. 1096679;1428722408;decimation;usg enjoys forcing everyone to be an agent 1096680;1428722419;asciilifeform;what do you mean "have to work with" ? << some folks can afford a palace and a stable of pets to cultivate therein; others - yellow pages, when they get 'bonus' salary. on holidays. 1096681;1428722455;asciilifeform;this is like asking which is better to get, a 'boeing' or a 'trabant.' 1096682;1428722474;mircea_popescu;decimation sadly usg is not directly involved. this is more "let's make vague laws to satisfy an abstruse expectation of good". the only result is, whenever contrary interests meet, the provider is caught in the middle. 1096683;1428722496;mircea_popescu;but hey, not my country not my problem. 1096684;1428722566;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yet women live on average on a dollar a day. 1096685;1428722613;asciilifeform;where? the congo ? 1096686;1428722624;mircea_popescu;average means average. 1096687;1428722629;mircea_popescu;3.8bn of them 1096688;1428722635;asciilifeform;let's calculate the average cock count then. 1096689;1428722638;asciilifeform;while at it 1096690;1428722655;decimation;'trabant' can transport you 1,000 miles, kind of 1096691;1428722671;asciilifeform;wait till you think, what legs can do 1096692;1428722672;mircea_popescu;cock count ? 1096693;1428722686;asciilifeform;aha. average income, average number of cocks, arms, legs... 1096694;1428722691;asciilifeform;on a body 1096695;1428722746;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu has a point here, in that a pet does not -cost- very much per se 1096696;1428722803;asciilifeform;but you still -need to be powerful- to keep a harem. in that you need the 'extra electron shells' to attract it with. 1096697;1428722904;asciilifeform;(is PeterL around? i bet he'd appreciate this image) 1096698;1428722935;mircea_popescu;competent women do not actually cost money. 1096699;1428722947;*;asciilifeform readily believes this 1096700;1428722953;mircea_popescu;this isn't strictly chillum's "she helps with the rent". recall convo re 40k ? 1096701;1428722956;asciilifeform;and they don't 'cost' power, but you need it 1096702;1428722964;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1096703;1428722977;*;asciilifeform remembers -exactly- which tread 1096704;1428722979;asciilifeform;*thread 1096705;1428723004;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2015#1026639 1096706;1428723004;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash" 1096707;1428723017;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1096708;1428723059;mircea_popescu;and it's unclear they actually need anything. slim is the controlling example. chick empowered bogart. 1096709;1428723059;Chillum;competent women make money 1096710;1428723067;Chillum;and support you in crazy ideas 1096711;1428723070;mircea_popescu;in strict contrast to the woman he had before, that bogged him down. 1096712;1428723071;asciilifeform;anyway, i'll concern myself with this detail soon after i decide whether to use xenon or argon in the maneuvering ion engines for my mars lander. 1096713;1428723081;mircea_popescu;Chillum exactly. 1096714;1428723087;Chillum;I admit though, I went through a lot of shit women before I found a good one 1096715;1428723091;Chillum;they are fucking rare 1096716;1428723099;mircea_popescu;moreover, it's relevant support. the support of people you're not intimate with is worth about as much as the word of people not in the wot. 1096717;1428723131;Chillum;I did not even consider getting married till I met someone who would not try to control me but rather support my bond villain like ambitions 1096718;1428723147;asciilifeform;and support in what sense? 1096719;1428723148;mircea_popescu;wiki dude with bond villain ambitions ? 1096720;1428723149;mircea_popescu;impossibru. 1096721;1428723156;Chillum;lulz 1096722;1428723159;Chillum;it is true 1096723;1428723163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very simply like so : 1096724;1428723164;asciilifeform;in the 'someone gives a fuck if you come back from the front' sense ? 1096725;1428723169;mircea_popescu;"hey, feel like going to prison tonight ?" "sure." 1096726;1428723198;mircea_popescu;some people have to explain to the wife why they're in jail. 1096727;1428723205;asciilifeform;'friend helps you move furniture. true friend helps you move body.' -- traditional american proverb 1096728;1428723208;Chillum;I am a wiki dude because I have bond villian like ambitions. One needs to control information, being a wikipedia admin is a good start 1096729;1428723211;mircea_popescu;some other people have to see which common mistress is awake to bail the couple out. 1096730;1428723229;mircea_popescu;Chillum if that thing's information i'm a sort of misunderstood pope. 1096731;1428723248;decimation;Chillum: is there anyone 'working' on wikipedia who doesn't want to 'control information'? 1096732;1428723253;asciilifeform;Chillum: may as well take over a psych ward to get at the valuable napoleons therein 1096733;1428723257;asciilifeform;for geopolitical ambitions. 1096734;1428723263;mircea_popescu;apt. 1096735;1428723263;Chillum;lulz 1096736;1428723267;Chillum;triple response 1096737;1428723283;Chillum;Mr. Pope, information is always manipulated 1096738;1428723291;mircea_popescu;not every string is information. 1096739;1428723304;mircea_popescu;not every roadkill's a live dog. 1096740;1428723307;asciilifeform;'information is a difference that makes a difference' -- also traditional 1096741;1428723320;Chillum;tell me with a straight face that this article has no information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter 1096742;1428723323;assbot;Jupiter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdGy99 ) 1096743;1428723329;decimation;if the nazis won wwii, one wonders what the 'nazi wikipedia' would look like 1096744;1428723332;Chillum;not everything is crap, about .003% is pretty good 1096745;1428723339;asciilifeform;decimation: mr mold had a piece on this 1096746;1428723341;mircea_popescu;Chillum you're gonna control information about jupiter ? 1096747;1428723344;decimation;asciilifeform: aye 1096748;1428723349;Chillum;mircea_popescu: If I must 1096749;1428723350;mats;can't sleep, gremlins will eat me 1096750;1428723356;decimation;Chillum: that's because nobody gives a fuck about jupiter 1096751;1428723359;asciilifeform;decimation: he concluded - in my view, correctly - that a senile 3rd reich would look quite like today's senile 4th 1096752;1428723360;Chillum;and any other planet that gets in the way of my plans!! 1096753;1428723362;mircea_popescu;mats sounds promising, buy moar guns. 1096754;1428723366;mod6;happy birthday s.mpoe 1096755;1428723383;Chillum;decimation: as an astronomy enthusiast I disagree most firmly 1096756;1428723388;Chillum;Jupiter is very popular 1096757;1428723390;mircea_popescu;o hey nice mod6 1096758;1428723411;mircea_popescu;Chillum i don't think that's the shade of caring he had in mind. 1096759;1428723419;decimation;indeed not 1096760;1428723440;Chillum;We admins have a saying over on the private wikipedia admin channel: Gurer vf ab pnony 1096761;1428723443;mircea_popescu;decimation it would be all straight edges and very fucking stolid. 1096762;1428723477;mircea_popescu;i dunno how familiar you are with 1930s german art - but it's pretty damned bad. 1096763;1428723504;mircea_popescu;actually ... it's pretty much incipient socialism realism. perhaps a little better. not much. 1096764;1428723506;decimation;my most direct expsoure was the 'bauhouse' letters used to teach me reading 1096765;1428723510;mircea_popescu;the soviets copied EVERYTHING. 1096766;1428723540;mircea_popescu;bauhaus on the cheap = soviet prefab flats. from berlin to pakistan. 1096767;1428723549;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh there was a good bit of 2-way 1096768;1428723567;mircea_popescu;perhaps. in the sense the russians mounted it all on oxcarts. 1096769;1428723574;decimation;yeah I can see that. purified into 'brutalism' in post war communist europe 1096770;1428723581;mircea_popescu;which i must say for dali, and he'd have said it if he thought of it first : fucking genius. 1096771;1428723609;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://vilavi.ru/pes/aviamarsh/avi1.shtml << example. massive mega-historical-derp re: whether nazi stole an iconic song, 'aviators' march', from su, or vice-versa 1096772;1428723610;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDNVzW ) 1096773;1428723624;mircea_popescu;Chillum intel says your 0.003% figure actually very likely accurate. 1096774;1428723645;asciilifeform;actually i have a small experimental verification 1096775;1428723647;asciilifeform;of this figure. 1096776;1428723652;Chillum;lol I made that number up based on experience 1096777;1428723667;asciilifeform;i happen to own this toy: http://www.cnet.com/news/the-gizmo-report-wikireader-simple-singular 1096778;1428723669;assbot;The Gizmo Report: WikiReader--simple, singular - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDO72f ) 1096779;1428723676;Chillum;we have piles of crap, and then we have stuff we selected as core subjects to get attention 1096780;1428723685;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is there anything you didn't buy ? 1096781;1428723688;asciilifeform;it has a copy of the ascii portion of wikipedia snapshot circa year of production 1096782;1428723693;Chillum;the philosophy is get it first, make it good later. Though much never gets attention again 1096783;1428723694;mircea_popescu;i wish to see the female alf. and her shoe collection. 1096784;1428723696;asciilifeform;and a 'random' toggle 1096785;1428723710;asciilifeform;about 0.003 % is the fraction of the time i get something worth reading. 1096786;1428723727;mircea_popescu;Chillum the philosophy is that you can aggregate meaning out of contextless snippets, by using self-propelled monkeys. this is so much nonsense. 1096787;1428723739;Chillum;but we use categories to deliminate the different quality articles. Our "good article" category is significantly larger than any print encyclopedia 1096788;1428723752;Chillum;mircea_popescu: self propelled humans 1096789;1428723757;mircea_popescu;also significantly not either usable or an encyclopedia. 1096790;1428723757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a man-portable encyclopaedia (and Forth interpreter!) that runs on two batteries for several years and does not need the net seemed like a good idea. 1096791;1428723761;mircea_popescu;no dude. humans have better stuff to do. 1096792;1428723764;decimation;there's a few ounces of wine in the turd-soup 1096793;1428723767;asciilifeform;(in practice it is very physically arduous to use) 1096794;1428723768;mircea_popescu;the wiki people are definitorily subhuman. 1096795;1428723781;asciilifeform;i would pay 10x for a version sans the garbage 1096796;1428723782;Chillum;and seriously an article at the final level of completion is pretty damn good by the standards of any encyclopedia 1096797;1428723784;asciilifeform;but there is no such 'pedia' 1096798;1428723798;Chillum;articles like Earth and Mass 1096799;1428723802;Chillum;core subjects 1096800;1428723814;asciilifeform;there is 'britannica' circa 1958 - the most complete edition - which i own 1096801;1428723815;Chillum;once politics, or people get involved 1096802;1428723817;asciilifeform;but it is not man-portable. 1096803;1428723818;Chillum;it is a shitfest 1096804;1428723818;mircea_popescu;Chillum again, that an elephant which counts to three is pretty great as far as elephants go does not make this a mathematical discussion. 1096805;1428723849;mircea_popescu;wikipedia is not "pretty good by the standards of any encyclopedia", it is "pretty good by the standards of any encyclopedia that were not an encyclopedia but a wikipedia instead" 1096806;1428723850;Chillum;again you make a point and I strain to understand what it has to do with the conversation 1096807;1428723854;mircea_popescu;this is about as pointless as it sounds. 1096808;1428723883;Chillum;The article "Earth" is better than the same article in any other encyclopedia 1096809;1428723892;Chillum;our finished articles are good 1096810;1428723899;Chillum;our works in progess are shit and we know it 1096811;1428723900;mircea_popescu;an encyclopedia, fundamentally, imposes a political hierarchy upon the world, and that of a known and verifiable pedigree. 1096812;1428723903;asciilifeform; i wish to see the female alf. and her shoe collection. << lol, 'i wish to meet the female chingis khan and her sheep collection' 1096813;1428723909;Chillum;that is what an encylopedia is 1096814;1428723913;mircea_popescu;this is what an encyclopedia is. not a piling of "information", as the acultural imagine. 1096815;1428723918;mircea_popescu;but a list of the correctness of a culture. 1096816;1428723924;mircea_popescu;very. VERY. different. 1096817;1428723938;mircea_popescu;which is why d'alembert's is d'alembert's, and why it turned europe upside down 1096818;1428723945;Chillum;do you you object to how Wikipedia has made an encyclopedia or the concept of an encyclopedia itself? 1096819;1428723957;mircea_popescu;whereas wikipedia whines about not having 5k to pay for servers, and nurtures inferiority complexes @ google and everyone else. 1096820;1428723970;Chillum;they have plenty of money for servers 1096821;1428723971;mircea_popescu;i object to the spurious pretense that wikipedia is anyuthing but myspace on white 1096822;1428723972;asciilifeform;a list of the correctness of a culture << precisely. it is a -standards document- 1096823;1428723972;Chillum;for years now 1096824;1428723975;asciilifeform;like a dictionary. 1096825;1428723980;asciilifeform;(a proper dictionary) 1096826;1428724001;Chillum;well it is a serious acedemic project aimed at making the realm of copyrighted free and available to all 1096827;1428724011;Chillum;it is all about making free content 1096828;1428724014;mircea_popescu;Chillum last i saw the begging campaign, it was a very pointed "sucks we can't afford 1/100000000 of what google can" 1096829;1428724020;asciilifeform;which is why 'democratic' encyclopaedia is approximately as valuable as 'democratic' dictionary 1096830;1428724023;Chillum;If the free content isn't good enough, sour lemons for you 1096831;1428724029;mircea_popescu;free content = meaningless drivel. 1096832;1428724031;mircea_popescu;that's not escapable. 1096833;1428724042;Chillum;the begging is super lame, they already have a huge stockpile of donations 1096834;1428724049;mircea_popescu;bitcoin forum is dedicated to making "free bitcoin content" as well. 1096835;1428724056;mircea_popescu;the problem is a lot more obvious there. 1096836;1428724066;mircea_popescu;the reason is that... as decimation points out... nobody gives a shit about wikipedia 1096837;1428724066;Chillum;isn't your bitcoin node free content? 1096838;1428724073;mircea_popescu;not in any sense. 1096839;1428724079;mircea_popescu;it ENFORCES. 1096840;1428724090;Chillum;it is based off of a license that require derivitive works to follow the same license so I think it is\ 1096841;1428724090;mircea_popescu;a node is a political outpost. 1096842;1428724098;mircea_popescu;you can think whatever you wish. 1096843;1428724104;Chillum;I do 1096844;1428724107;asciilifeform;Chillum: it is free in the sense that bullets in a border guard's machinegun are 'free.' 1096845;1428724113;Chillum;to do otherwise would be foolish 1096846;1428724117;asciilifeform;yes - they are. free for the taking, if a little hot 1096847;1428724117;mircea_popescu;exactly. free to shoot you with, sure. 1096848;1428724153;Chillum;well it is on a public website for download and based off code with a free license that carries on to derivitive works, so what should I think? 1096849;1428724167;mircea_popescu;that it's spelled derivative. 1096850;1428724184;mircea_popescu;im turning into fucking vragnaroda over here. 1096851;1428724185;asciilifeform;speaking of which... 1096852;1428724194;asciilifeform;does anyone remember the 'igonvalue' [sic] debacle ? 1096853;1428724197;asciilifeform;!s igonvalue 1096854;1428724198;assbot;0 results for 'igonvalue' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=igonvalue 1096855;1428724202;asciilifeform;!s eigenvalue 1096856;1428724202;assbot;1 results for 'eigenvalue' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eigenvalue 1096857;1428724213;decimation;lol igonvalue? 1096858;1428724215;mircea_popescu;!s igon value 1096859;1428724216;assbot;0 results for 'igon value' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=igon+value 1096860;1428724219;mircea_popescu;hm. 1096861;1428724227;asciilifeform;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Igon+Value+Problem 1096862;1428724228;assbot;Urban Dictionary: Igon Value Problem ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdIPRV ) 1096863;1428724228;Chillum;mircea_popescu: my spelling is lacking, but I assume you can make out my meaning 1096864;1428724238;mircea_popescu;amusingly, these ignoramuses have branded the memory hole effect too ? 1096865;1428724248;Chillum;I really cannot be bothered to fix every little red line under what I type 1096866;1428724251;mircea_popescu;Chillum yes yes. wasn't a serious criticism that. 1096867;1428724261;Chillum;okay 1096868;1428724268;Chillum;not seriously annoyed either 1096869;1428724270;asciilifeform;not hammering on Chillum here, but the memory was inescapable 1096870;1428724275;mircea_popescu;we had a guy, long ago, that cared. it is to his memory that i dedicate that line. 1096871;1428724322;asciilifeform;there once was/is an american hack writer named gladwell. was published in huge quantities and the drivel was stocked everywhere, for political reasons which i'm still only dimly aware of. 1096872;1428724360;asciilifeform;he was attempting to abuse the very basic mathematical concept of 'eigenvalue', and referred to it, repeatedly, in print as 'igon value'. 1096873;1428724378;asciilifeform;inadvertently revealing that, not only did he sleep in school, but did not even contemplate cracking open a book 1096874;1428724385;asciilifeform;prior to disgorging his turdheaps 1096875;1428724426;asciilifeform;then other hack writers made creative excuses for this stunt 1096876;1428724440;asciilifeform;(instead of sending gladwell to take his rightful place behind the latrine) 1096877;1428724532;Chillum;Did you know that gribble is a real person? Never sleeps, can do bitcoin sigs and PGP in his head. 1096878;1428724540;Chillum;oh wait, just PGP 1096879;1428724554;Chillum;oh crap I meant assbot 1096880;1428724559;Chillum;ruined my joke 1096881;1428724577;Chillum;on a wiki I could fix that 1096882;1428724580;asciilifeform;Chillum: reminds me of an article i read as a boy in some 'mothering/homekeeping' magazine my folks had, about 'should kid thank the elevator' 1096883;1428724611;Chillum;that reminds me of the intelligent elevators in hitchhikers guide the galaxy, and how smug and annoying they were' 1096884;1428724627;asciilifeform;(to clarify, i am not of such vintage as where elevator would have come equipped with a living 'driver') 1096885;1428724671;Chillum;I lived in a shitty building for a while called "The Ritz", ironically 1096886;1428724678;Chillum;they had an old elevator with driver 1096887;1428724688;Chillum;last on in Canad they said 1096888;1428724713;Chillum;they eventually sold the elevator car and motor and used the cash to renovate the whole building, and get a modern elevator 1096889;1428724736;asciilifeform;when i worked, many years ago, at 'nih' in bethesda, maryland - they experimented with reintroducing elevator-drivers. as i understood, it was merely an employment program for the Officially Sad 1096890;1428724753;Chillum;well this one was not busy work, it needed a driver 1096891;1428724765;Chillum;and you could drive it badly if you happen to get your hand on it 1096892;1428724767;asciilifeform;yes, the kind that merely has an up/down toggle 1096893;1428724768;Chillum;not very safe 1096894;1428724784;Chillum;on a lever, the more you moved it the faster it went 1096895;1428724786;asciilifeform;(the mechanism which stops at particular floors was invented long after original 'otis') 1096896;1428724796;Chillum;when it got close to the top or bottom and alarm would sound to tell you to stop 1096897;1428724814;Chillum;and you better stop, because it won't for you 1096898;1428724828;Chillum;people are spoiled by elevators that stop at the bottom all by themselves 1096899;1428724831;Chillum;making them all soft 1096900;1428724884;asciilifeform;l0l, looks like me www is under ddos 1096901;1428724888;asciilifeform;so, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZdeGe4yclnoJ:www.loper-os.org/%3Fp%3D388+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us 1096902;1428724889;assbot;Loper OS » Steam Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdKdUk ) 1096903;1428725092;asciilifeform;let's hear it for d3m0cr4cy, where every packet, even from idiots, 'counts', aye ? 1096904;1428725162;asciilifeform;i'll take one guess, that it relates to http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1096078 1096905;1428725162;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 00:04:38; asciilifeform: ... dude, why so disdainful ? if you don't trust people you don't know on the basis of what they write << because i can see the hallmarks of educated mendacity. the man, whoever he is, knows that i know the history. and pretends otherwise, and that he has some sort of 'lesson' for old ignorant me. i know the type, they infest (or once did) my comments section. 1096906;1428725164;Chillum;asciilifeform: tcp/ip layer or application layer? 1096907;1428725167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160700 @ 0.0002813 = 45.2049 BTC [+] 1096908;1428725171;Chillum;application layer is my favorite 1096909;1428725172;asciilifeform;Chillum: no idea at present 1096910;1428725187;Chillum;different server fail to different things 1096911;1428725200;Chillum;pause for 5 minutes between the header name and header value works for a lot 1096912;1428725200;asciilifeform;not paying enough for this info to be readily available to the naked eye. 1096913;1428725208;Chillum;then forget about the connection on your side and open another 1096914;1428725236;Chillum;another trick is to send 1 byte every second to keep the connection open 1096915;1428725248;Chillum;very hard to mitigate short of load balancing 1096916;1428725250;asciilifeform;Chillum: we all read 'spam like a pro in 21 days' (TM) 1096917;1428725252;mircea_popescu;malcom gladwell ? 1096918;1428725256;asciilifeform;aha 1096919;1428725270;Chillum;what does ddos have to do with spamming? I have not read that 1096920;1428725291;mircea_popescu;!up Armand 1096921;1428725301;asciilifeform;Chillum: mythical book, which i imagined, telling the 'secrets' of 'k00l d00dz' the world around. 1096922;1428725326;Guest64542;Mr. Popescu: Is your website offline? Or overloaded? 1096923;1428725327;decimation;asciilifeform: lol why ddos you? 1096924;1428725333;Chillum;there are tools, but the servers are patched for the tools 1096925;1428725342;Chillum;it is about fiddling around with custom scripts 1096926;1428725350;decimation;works for me 1096927;1428725352;asciilifeform;decimation: why ddos anything 1096928;1428725353;Chillum;there are so many ways to fuck with a web server that they can't get them all 1096929;1428725359;Chillum;you just have to do something original 1096930;1428725359;decimation;;;isitdown loper-os.org 1096931;1428725360;gribble;loper-os.org is up 1096932;1428725363;Chillum;which is hard but not that hard 1096933;1428725375;mircea_popescu;Guest64542 nah, inept dc caved over a fraudulent dmca notice. will be skinning them for it, next week. 1096934;1428725385;Chillum;that is the difference between a script kiddie and someone who is actually doing stuff 1096935;1428725408;Guest64542;do you expect the site to be back up soon? 1096936;1428725420;mircea_popescu;yeah prolly by tomorrow. 1096937;1428725456;Chillum;the nice thing about application layer DDOS is that it does not require significant bandwidth and can work with high latency 1096938;1428725461;mircea_popescu;and i guess ima hammer the shit out of fetlife now, anyway. 1096939;1428725462;Chillum;which means you can do it through tor 1096940;1428725489;Chillum;it is the smart subtle ddos that can run from a raspberry pi on a dail-up 1096941;1428725491;decimation;Chillum: but who would give a fuck about your hammering? 1096942;1428725499;Chillum;spammers 1096943;1428725512;Chillum;shut down the website they are advertising 1096944;1428725517;asciilifeform;Chillum: why use a proxy net that has canonical exit ip list for any sysadmin with half a brain to add to drop list ? 1096945;1428725531;Chillum;half a brain is the key point 1096946;1428725533;decimation;maybe they have an alternative position on jovian science 1096947;1428725541;Chillum;they don't 1096948;1428725564;Chillum;if they do have an alternative position on jovian science they will have to go through me to get it told! 1096949;1428725578;mircea_popescu;"[W]hen a writers education on a topic consists in interviewing an expert, he is apt to offer generalizations that are banal, obtuse or flat wrong." << in romanian this is known as "a waiter at one of these places where university professors gather can actually soak up a lot, often enough to pass himself for one" 1096950;1428725580;Chillum;(kidding, I try to be very neutral on wikipedia) 1096951;1428725581;mircea_popescu;or something like that. 1096952;1428725610;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this actually is a two-layered shit sandwich 1096953;1428725621;Guest64542;Mr. P: what's that all about with FetLife anyway? 1096954;1428725626;asciilifeform;pinker was covering, making excuses for gladwell's lack of even the most elementary education or curiosity 1096955;1428725639;Chillum;when writing a tertiary source like an encyclopedia one must rely on experts only, original research is forbidden. It is meant to document the information that already exists without adding opinion 1096956;1428725659;Chillum;original research is of course great, but out of the scope of an encyclopedia 1096957;1428725668;mircea_popescu;Guest64542 derps ennumerated their db rather than hashing it. 1096958;1428725680;Chillum;we get experts all the time and we have to tell them that they can only use what they know if they have sources 1096959;1428725683;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i noticed. ridiculous. 1096960;1428725688;decimation;moldbug would say that pinker would gladly suck the cock of a nyt writer so he can be published in the 'grey lady' 1096961;1428725696;mircea_popescu;presenting rank ignorance as, rather than humiliatory, a sort of "problem". it's no problem. 1096962;1428725721;Guest64542;so you just scraped the data? I don't see what the big deal is 1096963;1428725726;mircea_popescu;Chillum everything even remotely worth reading is out of the scope of a wikipedia. 1096964;1428725737;asciilifeform;Guest19244: see also the case of weev. 1096965;1428725744;mircea_popescu;also, every encyclopedia consists of original research of its editors 1096966;1428725747;mircea_popescu;which is what the term means. 1096967;1428725749;Chillum;First we stored the password and that was stupid, then we hashed it but people could build rainbow tables so we added salt, then things got faster. Now we harden by hashing many times 1096968;1428725767;mircea_popescu;Guest64542 internet is large, and mostly inhabited by the clueless. 1096969;1428725771;Chillum;mircea_popescu: it is nothing more than a starting point for understanding 1096970;1428725789;mircea_popescu;it's a starting point for misunderstanding, which wouldn't be a big deal 1096971;1428725797;Chillum;any serious academic knows an encyclopedia is not a reliable source and is just a tool for laymen to get a basic understanding of a subject 1096972;1428725800;mircea_popescu;but it packages it with a very dangerous false sense of competence. 1096973;1428725820;Chillum;if you think an encyclopedia is more you are sure to be disapointed 1096974;1428725821;mircea_popescu;no, iut's a tool for laymen to bolt down their ignorance in such a way that they'll never ever become good, at anything. 1096975;1428725833;*;asciilifeform goes to dig for the trilema summarizing mircea_popescu's conference-ii speech re: this, but remembers that his www is down 1096976;1428725836;mircea_popescu;i happen to know what things are, having had the good fortune to exist before wikipedia did. 1096977;1428725839;Chillum;tools are tools, people can use them right or bolt themselves to the floor 1096978;1428725843;Chillum;not the tool's fault 1096979;1428725850;mircea_popescu;this is not a tool. 1096980;1428725856;mircea_popescu;a tool is something that does something useful. 1096981;1428725859;Chillum;give a fool a hammer and a nail and they will stick their ear to the floor 1096982;1428725862;asciilifeform;Chillum: know the difference between a tool and a boobytrap 1096983;1428725868;asciilifeform;which is also a kind of tool 1096984;1428725870;mircea_popescu;this is a rube goldberg cube. entertaining, for us. wasteful, for the random derp/. 1096985;1428725871;asciilifeform;but not for the 'user' 1096986;1428725883;Chillum;I know a boob using a tool wrong 1096987;1428725905;asciilifeform;the correct way to 'use' an antipersonnel mine... 1096988;1428725910;asciilifeform;is to bury it and walk away 1096989;1428725912;Chillum;really if you don't know how much confidence to give a given data source then that is a failure to comprehend 1096990;1428725915;asciilifeform;not sing, dance on it. 1096991;1428725917;decimation;your www is up for me ascii 1096992;1428725919;Guest64542;Mr P: I don't understand why you are picking a fight with them 1096993;1428725930;mircea_popescu;you seriously believe that if you split up the value wikipedia added to human society over the years, in "making experts laugh" and "everything else", the 2nd bit would be anything even remotely comparable to the 1st ? 1096994;1428725932;Chillum;Wikipedia says clearly it is not a reliable source and it never pretends to be 1096995;1428725933;mircea_popescu;im not sure it's even 1% 1096996;1428725934;asciilifeform;decimation: up/down, variably 1096997;1428725953;mircea_popescu;Guest64542 actually, they are picking a fight with me. i generally end fights. 1096998;1428725958;Chillum;it is all we can do to keep the pages from just saying "U R GAY LOLOLOLO)(!" 1096999;1428725982;mircea_popescu;i honestly believe ed is actually a better wiki than wikipedia. 1097000;1428725985;Chillum;from chaos great things emerge 1097001;1428725990;mircea_popescu;or was. is it still online ? 1097002;1428725994;Guest64542;OK. But how did the conflict get started? Why are you interested in their DB? 1097003;1428725994;Chillum;ed? 1097004;1428725999;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: e2 ? 1097005;1428725999;decimation;Chillum: precisely, so how do 'you' spare the cycles to prevent the more insideous defacement? 1097006;1428726003;Chillum;erectile dysfunction? 1097007;1428726013;decimation;encyclopedia dramatica 1097008;1428726015;asciilifeform;ah 1097009;1428726028;*;asciilifeform prefers lurkmore.to 1097010;1428726035;mircea_popescu;Guest64542 i ended up making a profile at some point. read some "build from the ground up with security in mind" verbiage from the baku character, sounded exactly like the bitcoin scammer broken record. 1097011;1428726041;mircea_popescu;then i saw the horror. 1097012;1428726049;mircea_popescu;thing looks like it was coded by armandi character. 1097013;1428726055;Chillum;decimation: I have a javascript snipet that shows me pages in the "attack page" category. Every so often someone makes a page describing what a fag some other person is and an editor markes it as an attack page 1097014;1428726059;mircea_popescu;decimation has it 1097015;1428726065;Chillum;I delete it and usually block the person who made it 1097016;1428726066;menahem;sorry to interrupt, is trilema down for you ? 1097017;1428726074;Chillum;unless they can provide a reliable source to back it up 1097018;1428726079;mircea_popescu;menahem yes yes discussed above. come back tomorro! 1097019;1428726085;menahem;lol kk thank you. :) 1097020;1428726094;mircea_popescu;np np 1097021;1428726135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's lurkmore.to 1097022;1428726141;asciilifeform;!s lurkmore 1097023;1428726142;assbot;11 results for 'lurkmore' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lurkmore 1097024;1428726146;asciilifeform;^ it 1097025;1428726163;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#847860 1097026;1428726163;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2014 15:41:18; dignork: mircea_popescu: on a concept level lurkmore is a copy of encyclopedia dramatica, but they do much better job imho 1097027;1428726165;mircea_popescu;oh russki thing. yea 1097028;1428726194;Guest64542;so is your objective to point out flaws in the website? or something else? what are you trying to accomplish? 1097029;1428726227;mircea_popescu;im not trying to accomplish anything. hm... what exactly is your interest in this thing ? 1097030;1428726283;mircea_popescu;!s Ittay Eyal 1097031;1428726283;assbot;0 results for 'Ittay Eyal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=+Ittay+Eyal 1097032;1428726290;mircea_popescu;heh. 1097033;1428726295;Guest64542;I have a profile at FetLife, and I have seen a rather lively debate there about this. But I haven't formed an opinion yet. I thought it would be interesting to talk directly with you about instead of relying on a lot of chatter 1097034;1428726302;asciilifeform;Guest19244: in the seek00r1ty business, there is a concept called 'full disclosure' 1097035;1428726329;mircea_popescu;Guest64542 so you're entirely foreign to the bitcoin space, then ? 1097036;1428726341;mircea_popescu;no idea who i am, what trilema is, anything ? 1097037;1428726345;asciilifeform;which boils down to: imagine there is a derelict house occupied by alcoholic bomzhes. the city condemned it, but the occupants refuse to leave. 1097038;1428726354;asciilifeform;they even persist in bringing friends over. 1097039;1428726375;asciilifeform;so after umpteen many warnings, the king's men roust all the bums that can be rousted, and dynamite the place. 1097040;1428726396;Guest64542;I know what bitcoin is. I have not actually used it. Before logging into this IRC, I read a little bit about who you are. So I have some idea 1097041;1428726438;mircea_popescu;aite. so basically, i saw something, said something. fetlife misjudged itself, and sent a spurious "trademark infringement" claim to the dc. 1097042;1428726457;mircea_popescu;i pointed out to the dc that if it abuses dmca notice process in this way it'll end up liable, and linked them to caselaw. 1097043;1428726460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l, not even copyrasty ?! 1097044;1428726474;mircea_popescu;some dude claiming to be "from fetlife" made a proper dmca notification, which i counter-notified 1097045;1428726482;mircea_popescu;waited ten days, reinstated the content, forgot all about it. 1097046;1428726488;mircea_popescu;this was... i dunno, weeks ago. 1097047;1428726504;Guest64542;before your site went offline, I did have a chance to read the DMCA takedown notice and your response 1097048;1428726507;decimation;i can see how the dc is in a tough spot 1097049;1428726511;mircea_popescu;today the dc nulled that ip, which brings them into liability over the matter, as the complaint is clearly spurious, 1097050;1428726518;mircea_popescu;and so ima sue them for all they got and move the blog. 1097051;1428726520;mircea_popescu;bout it. 1097052;1428726529;mircea_popescu;once it's back, im also going to dump the whole db, 1097053;1428726540;mircea_popescu;as a warning for later muppets on the score of "fuck with people you don't know" 1097054;1428726569;mircea_popescu;internet brigading is a great way to deal with nobodies, but you run the risk of stepping on the tail of someone who is actually powerful, on occasion, at which point the whole thing backfires. 1097055;1428726584;Guest64542;I'm not an expert on DMCA, but I do kind of get the idea that all you did was post links to the profiles, and I don't see how that would be a copyright violation 1097056;1428726588;mircea_popescu;i think this roughly brings us to date. 1097057;1428726603;mircea_popescu;wait until you read into the statutory damages for dmca fraud. 1097058;1428726649;*;asciilifeform knows of no serious cases of such damages having been imposed, but - ianal! 1097059;1428726661;Chillum;The study of security is interesting, but the study of insecurity is fascinating. 1097060;1428726663;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform $100k. remember the bezzleword ? 1097061;1428726671;mircea_popescu;this is a federal statute. 1097062;1428726692;asciilifeform;yes but has anyone lost and paid it ? 1097063;1428726710;mircea_popescu;well, dc kinda has trouble running away. 1097064;1428726716;asciilifeform;or is dmca precisely what it appears to be - a bludgeon for riaa/mpaa to use, and anything else is incidental noise. 1097065;1428726727;mircea_popescu;oh, i'm not suing some bankruipt derps in canada, who cares about them. 1097066;1428726751;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dmca is EXACTLY and specifically drawn so large players can squash annoyances, but also minor players trying to do the same get totally raped. 1097067;1428726767;asciilifeform;'large' in the buffett, usg-large sense 1097068;1428726772;mircea_popescu;if you have any experience with contemporary us law, this should be a familiar pattern 1097069;1428726773;mircea_popescu;quite. 1097070;1428726774;asciilifeform;is my (admittedly surface) understanding 1097071;1428726847;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i predict that the case will hinge on whether 'fetlife' is a tendril of usg in good standing 1097072;1428726848;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's a sad state of affairs for actual providers. they're stuck in the middle. can't really pay good lawyers, can't really exactly judge when customer is going to turn around and bitchslap them with a ten ton hammer... 1097073;1428726878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't intend to pursue some dubious "start-up" in canada on the strength of the declarations of some otherwise proven liar / confused internet person. 1097074;1428726892;asciilifeform;(it is probably not enough for tendril status, to merely be in the mythical 'guild of all sc4mz0rs') 1097075;1428726894;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as joint and several liability. let the dc sue them. 1097076;1428726928;asciilifeform;i have yet to hear of a dc being nailed for yanking the machine of a victim of copyrasty 1097077;1428726934;Chillum;severed? 1097078;1428726942;Guest64542;Mr. P: Forgive my ignorace, but who is DC? Are you referring to the provider that hosts your site? Or some sort of third-party abritraitor? And what do you mean by "tendril of USG"? 1097079;1428726951;mircea_popescu;Guest64542 the datacenter, yes. 1097080;1428726954;decimation;heh 1097081;1428726973;mircea_popescu;and i didn't use that term. he did. 1097082;1428726976;decimation;yeah asciilifeform, what do you mean "tendril of usg" 1097083;1428726985;mircea_popescu;yeah asciilifeform ! 1097084;1428726989;decimation;heh 1097085;1428727003;Guest64542;ok sorry I wasn't looking at the user ID 1097086;1428727007;asciilifeform;decimation: what i meant was: a lawsuit in an american court is won or lost at the pleasure of usg. 1097087;1428727009;Chillum;do irc client reveal what type they are like web browser's user agent? 1097088;1428727026;*;Chillum should read the IRC protocol RFC 1097089;1428727026;decimation;mircea_popescu: couldn't the dc simply claim that you were violating their tos? 1097090;1428727028;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=13f9814f-b56e-4314-8e1b-95215ce60a6d 1097091;1428727029;assbot;Using a DMCA takedown notice to assert a trademark claim may lead to section 512(f) liability - Lexology ... ( http://bit.ly/1Duf0ed ) 1097092;1428727029;asciilifeform;as in the 'nuclear iran' case recently - can even be magicked away without explanation. 1097093;1428727029;mircea_popescu;enjoy. 1097094;1428727049;mircea_popescu;Chillum depends how you set yours up, i guess. 1097095;1428727054;mircea_popescu;some answer to ver ctcp messages. 1097096;1428727054;Guest64542;what does usg stand for? 1097097;1428727065;mircea_popescu;united states government 1097098;1428727067;Chillum;huh. One would think it is either part of the protocol or not 1097099;1428727068;Guest64542;ok 1097100;1428727078;mircea_popescu;Chillum the irc is an old beast chills. 1097101;1428727079;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'refused to dismiss counter-claim.' but how did the case end? 1097102;1428727082;*;asciilifeform doesn't know 1097103;1428727084;*;Chillum should REALLY read the IRC protocol RFC 1097104;1428727092;Chillum;mircea_popescu: I know I was using it before the web 1097105;1428727103;mircea_popescu;generally these end in settlements, to avoid the ever balooning costs. 1097106;1428727107;Chillum;just never learned the protocol under the client 1097107;1428727126;mircea_popescu;!up Guest64542 1097108;1428727139;Chillum;mircea_popescu: "chills" is what they called me in high school 1097109;1428727143;Chillum;I was very relaxed 1097110;1428727147;mircea_popescu;cool. 1097111;1428727148;Chillum;weed 1097112;1428727177;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I suspect that anyone who has standing to assert section 512(f) probably will get a settlement 1097113;1428727178;*;Chillum is grooving the Thelonious Monk's - Monk's Dream with a puff of smoke 1097114;1428727185;mircea_popescu;decimation the dc could claim absolutely anything they wish. the standard still is preponderence of evidence. 1097115;1428727189;*;asciilifeform assumed 'chilam', the traditional smoking instrument 1097116;1428727195;Chillum;yup 1097117;1428727197;Chillum;that is right 1097118;1428727207;Chillum;the high school nickname is a coincidence 1097119;1428727220;Guest64542;Mr. P: is it possible that scraping data is a violation of FetLife's TOU? 1097120;1428727228;Chillum;used to go by HighInBC 1097121;1428727233;mircea_popescu;the dmca does not provide for an avenue to enforce anything you wish. 1097122;1428727247;mircea_popescu;misusing it in this manner is a misdemeanor, and more importantly, a path to civil liability. 1097123;1428727256;decimation;mircea_popescu: true, but I suspect that the dc could 'find you violating' without asserting anything w.r.t. dcma claims 1097124;1428727263;mircea_popescu;they already did. 1097125;1428727272;decimation;but that would be something for a judge to sort out I suppose 1097126;1428727275;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1097127;1428727287;Guest64542;ok I get that. DMCA is not the proper mechanism for enforcement 1097128;1428727298;mircea_popescu;"uh... we just ... didn't wanna do it anymore your honor." "shut up. sit down. " 1097129;1428727303;Chillum;DMCA make a lot of things illegal but does not provide an easy path to conviction 1097130;1428727311;mircea_popescu;conviction ? 1097131;1428727320;Chillum;a toothless old lady shrieking at people 1097132;1428727326;mircea_popescu;im not about to put anyone in prison. this is about money Chillum . 1097133;1428727334;decimation;Chillum: it's a civil claim 1097134;1428727341;Chillum;oh 1097135;1428727356;Chillum;then I am talking about the wrong part of DMCA 1097136;1428727365;decimation;mircea_popescu is performing a service for folks too poor to afford a lawyer 1097137;1428727371;mircea_popescu;essentially. 1097138;1428727386;mircea_popescu;what started as a service for folks too simple to understand why they do not wish to be /user/1004555 1097139;1428727395;mircea_popescu;turned into a service for folks too poor to afford a lawyer. 1097140;1428727403;asciilifeform;!b 4 1097141;1428727404;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KA8PKP.txt ) 1097142;1428727422;Chillum;is this like that guy who used a college network to download shitloads of public domain but held by private companies court records? 1097143;1428727427;mircea_popescu;but seriously, they're total fucking idiots. i even had a lengthy comment explaining to the derp in charge how to salt and hash 1097144;1428727436;decimation;the CrossFit thing is hilarious too. it's the latest fad amoung youth 1097145;1428727438;asciilifeform;Chillum: yeah. they hanged him 1097146;1428727460;Chillum;it is amazing how much information not encumbered by copyright is held for ransom by private companies 1097147;1428727460;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1097148;1428727460;asciilifeform;danced the hempen jig, he did. 1097149;1428727463;mircea_popescu;Chillum notrly, no. 1097150;1428727466;Chillum;I am looking at you JSTORE! 1097151;1428727504;Chillum;mircea_popescu: as usual the conversations here require context that takes time to learn 1097152;1428727511;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1097153;1428727515;Chillum;part of what makes this channel intersting 1097154;1428727537;Chillum;at first I stayed for the spectacle, after that for the intrigue 1097155;1428727568;menahem;also the reason why I stfu until I know backstories from trilema. 1097156;1428727570;Chillum;like a movie by some twisted director that keeps you watching in abject confusion/horror 1097157;1428727574;mircea_popescu;lol menahem 1097158;1428727597;menahem;:) 1097159;1428727622;decimation;crossfit is the 1920's 'strong man' circus act, reinvented for today's youth 1097160;1428727656;decimation;which is why claims to originality are doubly amusing 1097161;1428727693;mircea_popescu;but seriously, you're all tech savvy people. who the fuck claims to have, you know, "built the site with security in mind" then makes the db trivially iterable because couldn't be bothered to hash the anything ? would something like user/F2xWjk been so very hard ? 1097162;1428727717;mircea_popescu;gotta absolutely have /10001 so the next one is /10002 ? 1097163;1428727720;mircea_popescu;nuts, i tell you. 1097164;1428727727;Guest64542;Mr P: Sounds like your real dipute at this point is with the dc 1097165;1428727735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is a more or less plain case of 'i have the right to wear this rape dress' 1097166;1428727750;mircea_popescu;Guest64542 as far as i'm concerned, there's a crowd of silly people somewhere on the web that tricked a dc into bankruptcy. yes. 1097167;1428727752;asciilifeform;'why -should- we have to be solid. the world should not contain pointy things' 1097168;1428727757;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well... 1097169;1428727827;mircea_popescu;i like a challenge as much as the next fellow, i guess. 1097170;1428727879;*;asciilifeform was kinda surprised, he admits, to learn that mircea_popescu even hosts in a part of the world which even pretends to honour dmca etc. 1097171;1428727903;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1097172;1428727912;asciilifeform;because annoying idiots ? 1097173;1428727915;mircea_popescu;i also like free money as much as the next fellow 1097174;1428727920;asciilifeform;exploding hard disks ? 1097175;1428727922;mircea_popescu;uh... i'm not particularly annoyed ? 1097176;1428727925;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1097177;1428727935;mircea_popescu;i still dunno that's related. 1097178;1428727983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, i guess this makes me the first of that evil species of barristish sticklers that you all love to hate that you ever met. 1097179;1428727987;*;asciilifeform wonders how many readers purchased a spot welder after hearing of this 1097180;1428728022;asciilifeform;(the drives, that is) 1097181;1428728026;Guest64542;Mr P: Thank you for sharing your perspective on this 1097182;1428728040;mircea_popescu;Guest64542 you know about the log ? 1097183;1428728073;Guest64542;Mr P ummm I am not sure what you are talking about LOL 1097184;1428728089;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097182 1097185;1428728089;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 04:54:00; mircea_popescu: Guest64542 you know about the log ? 1097186;1428728105;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we - or at least i - knew that you're fond of courtroom challenge. but i can't help but also remember the various folk who tried this in ussr. 1097187;1428728125;mircea_popescu;ussr wasn't built on the bezzle tho. 1097188;1428728125;asciilifeform;where - not everyone now remembers, but - believe or not, there were also courts and jurists. 1097189;1428728128;decimation;re: the gray journal: vintage moldbug > "Of course, they can't do much. You can't submit to the gray journal. There is no formal review process. You simply have to know someone who knows someone who... and who is on the end of this chain? Five or ten very ordinary people, with no particular expertise in anything, perhaps a BA in some science or other. Who happen to have gotten themselves assigned, through whatever feat of 1097190;1428728130;decimation;bureaucratic mastery, to the "science beat" at the Times." 1097191;1428728146;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remember the power of the "people's denouncing" in there ? that's the equivalent. 1097192;1428728159;Guest64542;ok I see that there is a record of our conversation 1097193;1428728160;asciilifeform;aha 1097194;1428728164;mircea_popescu;god fucking help you if i stand up in the "political meeting" and ask you about X. 1097195;1428728188;mircea_popescu;Guest64542 since you use the web platform andso prolly don't have a local log. 1097196;1428728194;decimation;I thought that the 'political meeting' was for the party to tell people what to think, not vice versa 1097197;1428728202;mircea_popescu;decimation you'd be surprised. 1097198;1428728219;asciilifeform;decimation: enforcement of norms is always - in practice - 'peer to peer' 1097199;1428728239;asciilifeform;nothing else even begins to scale. 1097200;1428728249;mircea_popescu;decimation the problem with a "democracy", aka representative democracy aka people's soviet is that the victory is always to the fearless. 1097201;1428728261;mircea_popescu;feudalism empowers he with most knights, the rest - he wight less concern. 1097202;1428728283;decimation;I suppose the only 'norm' that moscow really cared about was 'nominal submission to moscow' 1097203;1428728305;asciilifeform;decimation: nah. that'd be, e.g., the khanate. 1097204;1428728305;mircea_popescu;not exactly. more important in practice - the need to cut the grass. 1097205;1428728307;mircea_popescu;lest it gets too tall. 1097206;1428728311;asciilifeform;^ 1097207;1428728316;decimation;ah I see 1097208;1428728330;mircea_popescu;and so a position "of power" was a terrible curse no one wanted. 1097209;1428728334;asciilifeform;chingis khan, yes, he only cares that you submit & pay tribute. 1097210;1428728336;mircea_popescu;which is how the thing actually failed. 1097211;1428728343;decimation;one sees exactly the same phenomenon in usg today 1097212;1428728347;mircea_popescu;quite. 1097213;1428728347;asciilifeform;modern mega-state - micromanages. 1097214;1428728351;asciilifeform;aka 'playing civ-1' 1097215;1428728354;mircea_popescu;they even use the same word - "responsibility" 1097216;1428728372;mircea_popescu;soon the same old jokes from the 70s are going to begin to circulate once more. 1097217;1428728385;mircea_popescu;"promotion = much more responsibility, not much more money" etc. 1097218;1428728398;asciilifeform;'nah, we're out of meat. fish is what they lack at the fish monger's.' 1097219;1428728411;mircea_popescu;lol 1097220;1428728416;mircea_popescu;you know that still has me chuckling ? 1097221;1428728420;decimation;and 'responsibility' means 'yer ass is on the line now', not 'you can choose to do as you wish' 1097222;1428728452;mircea_popescu;decimation it means, "try and leech as much as you can off the young and impressionable females before a determined and disinterested young male gores you." 1097223;1428728483;mircea_popescu;rather sad state. of affairs. 1097224;1428728485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i had an eerily 'sovok' experience the other day. went to a shop that sold, among other items, wooden planks. needed one sawed to fit in car. waited for whole hour, while clerk after clerk inquired, where, where is the one and only man authorized to use saw (kept under lock and key) 1097225;1428728491;asciilifeform;he was nowhere 1097226;1428728503;mircea_popescu;drunk, no doubt, out of existential crisis. 1097227;1428728503;decimation;^ note that the hippies in the 60's were the 'young male', and now they are trying to 'maintain responsibility' 1097228;1428728538;decimation;asciilifeform: was it a home depot? I've had exactly the same experience 1097229;1428728543;asciilifeform;it was. 1097230;1428728563;mircea_popescu;decimation this is an angle alf does not wish to see (deliberate engineer's blindness), but in fact compare the afore-mentioned weev with the unfortunate da prosecuting. is weev a lazy bum ? yes. did the poor da work butt off through law scool ? yes. still not paid debt ? yes. 1097231;1428728574;mircea_popescu;conviction overturned. is da fucked ? yes. is weev feasting on his corpse ? yes. 1097232;1428728589;mircea_popescu;pay a lot to gain very little vs pay nothing to gain whatever you take for yourself. hmm.... 1097233;1428728591;asciilifeform;occasionally, ant kills elephant. 1097234;1428728597;mircea_popescu;welll... let's hope you're patriotic. 1097235;1428728600;asciilifeform;but does the smart money bet on ant ? 1097236;1428728607;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the soviets ? ALWAYS. 1097237;1428728610;mircea_popescu;elephant is not allowed to move. 1097238;1428728619;mircea_popescu;ant wins every time it cares. 1097239;1428728624;mircea_popescu;to* 1097240;1428728666;mircea_popescu;the problems the social security system has are not limited to the social security system. they are endemic, and that because they are systematic. 1097241;1428728672;asciilifeform;i take elephant's retort, 'i did not care to crush the ant', seriously -while elephant remains alive-. 1097242;1428728704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ask someone whom you know in the civil service what does an overturned conviction do. 1097243;1428728709;mircea_popescu;or ask them what % they must maintain. 1097244;1428728714;mircea_popescu;or whatever, ask about how the job sucks. 1097245;1428728720;*;asciilifeform knows 1097246;1428728725;mircea_popescu;so then... alive ? yeahok. 1097247;1428728726;asciilifeform;even in the godforsaken patent office 1097248;1428728733;decimation;I'm not sure said da really profits by keeping his job 1097249;1428728734;asciilifeform;overturned patent - not so good. 1097250;1428728747;mircea_popescu;decimation if i was sure, i'd recommend it to bright young things. 1097251;1428728750;mircea_popescu;but i don't. 1097252;1428728785;mircea_popescu;it's a rather precarious existence. 1097253;1428728794;decimation;how does getting $60k salary with $200k in college debt 'make sense' 1097254;1428728808;mircea_popescu;60k salary as long as you know, 65k expended. 1097255;1428728811;asciilifeform;how does 60k with 200k house debt make sense 1097256;1428728818;asciilifeform;how does all debt peonage 'make sense.' 1097257;1428728820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "but you own the house" 1097258;1428728827;asciilifeform;you 'own the sheepskin' also. 1097259;1428728828;mircea_popescu;same way you "own" the da office. 1097260;1428728835;mircea_popescu;see, medieval kings were a lot more honest. 1097261;1428728838;asciilifeform;simony. 1097262;1428728840;mircea_popescu;da actually did own his office. 1097263;1428728841;decimation;'but it's the people's office' 1097264;1428728869;decimation;well, moldbug would say that the improvement was that there was an actual human the da 'was responsible' to 1097265;1428728876;mircea_popescu;never. 1097266;1428728886;mircea_popescu;what king do you think ever talked to the baillifs ?! 1097267;1428728893;decimation;not king, but his wot 1097268;1428728900;mircea_popescu;they didn't even speak a mutually comprehensible idiom. 1097269;1428728901;mircea_popescu;heh. 1097270;1428728937;decimation;lord/duke/baron whoever knows the score, king trusts him to keep a handle on things 1097271;1428728954;*;asciilifeform tries to recall mircea_popescu's post re: how modern notion of 'chain of command' applied to medieval structures is simplistic; remembers that www is down 1097272;1428728967;menahem;:( 1097273;1428728969;mircea_popescu;incredible how useful trilema actually is huh. 1097274;1428728974;mircea_popescu;sorry bout that. 1097275;1428728975;menahem;big tyme 1097276;1428729015;menahem;no apologies needed. site is pure gold. 1097277;1428729020;decimation;well, my understanding is that in early english monarchy that the king was more of a 'first amoung equals' rather than 'strict commander' 1097278;1428729028;mircea_popescu;pre normans, this ? 1097279;1428729031;decimation;yeah 1097280;1428729040;mircea_popescu;it's all poppycock. they didn't even keep records. 1097281;1428729053;mircea_popescu;the later imperially-ambitious english retconned a bunch of shit into their record 1097282;1428729059;mircea_popescu;so victoria isn't inferior to wilhelm. 1097283;1428729059;decimation;heh they had a quilt somewhere 1097284;1428729091;mircea_popescu;(british-german rivalry goes back a long time. as long as there was a germany, really.) 1097285;1428729165;*;menahem wonders if we could get a quick lesson on modern chains of command compared to medieval structures ? 1097286;1428729181;mircea_popescu;"In fact if an attacker waits until he sees another block on the network, the attacker can be sure that a majority of hashpower is now working on successors to that already published block, and not the one the attacker has kept hidden. The result is not a toss-up, but a distinct advantage to the honest nodes who have published their blocks already. " 1097287;1428729186;mircea_popescu;this is a rather valid point. 1097288;1428729215;mircea_popescu;that "instantly" is rather iffy. 1097289;1428729311;mircea_popescu;;;later tell funkstein_ not bad. 1097290;1428729311;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1097291;1428729454;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not mystery 1097292;1428729483;*;asciilifeform head-desks over the kind of things which might constitute 'revelation' to folks who used bitcoin without looking into how it worked 1097293;1428729496;decimation;this goes to the thread re: how to distinguish 'trusted nodes' 1097294;1428729508;decimation;it strikes me that it would be desirable to operate a node under a 'wot signature' 1097295;1428729520;asciilifeform;decimation: once you are even speaking of 'trusted nodes' something went horribly wrong 1097296;1428729544;asciilifeform;the original conversation, iirc, was about usg sibyls 1097297;1428729589;asciilifeform;decimation: operate a node under a 'wot signature' << ultimately ip-over-gossip yes 1097298;1428729960;mircea_popescu;alf has it. the notion of "good node" is akin to the notion of "clean bitcoin" 1097299;1428729973;*;asciilifeform sometimes wonders what hanbot does these days instead of working over the old tardphorum with a plasma gun as in the old days. 1097300;1428729977;mircea_popescu;if you think in these terms you're either in an alt-universe where bitcoin can not exist, or you have woefully misunderstood the present one. 1097301;1428730006;asciilifeform;'clean electricity' 1097302;1428730016;mircea_popescu;well, that exists. 1097303;1428730020;mircea_popescu;POSITIVE electricity tho... 1097304;1428730029;*;asciilifeform pictures flowing positrons 1097305;1428730039;mircea_popescu;nono, not in that sense. 1097306;1428730046;decimation;but the electric company has no way to much delay the flow of electrons to your house 1097307;1428730077;mircea_popescu;SQUARE ELECTRON-CITY 1097308;1428730098;asciilifeform;decimation: seekreet d4rk kn0wl3dg3: electrons don't move all that much. 1097309;1428730099;mircea_popescu;"perpetually even coordinate electron-icity" 1097310;1428730111;decimation;asciilifeform: aye 1097311;1428730129;asciilifeform;but this is like, 1870s state of art 1097312;1428730133;asciilifeform;we're not there yet. 1097313;1428730609;mircea_popescu;http://daddyslittlewankbait.tumblr.com/post/102596211799/she-was-a-dumb-bitch-who-just-wanted-to-make-her ru pronz ? 1097314;1428730610;assbot;She was a dumb bitch who just wanted to make her... | Teen Wankbait ... ( http://bit.ly/1z58Z28 ) 1097315;1428731130;Chillum;mircea_popescu: I found this: http://tim.jagenberg.info/2015/01/18/low-power-esp8266/ the sleep mode power consumption is 78 microamps and it can wake up and transmit packets in < 2ms 1097316;1428731131;assbot;Low Power ESP8266 – Sleeping at 78 micro Amps | tim.jagenberg.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5adKT ) 1097317;1428731155;Chillum;if you designed your application right it could sleep the vast majority of the time 1097318;1428731187;Chillum;with wake-up times that fast it can sleep over 99% of the time and scan every few seconds 1097319;1428731240;Chillum;The gps chip I have can operate itself at 50ma and communicate on demand to the ESP8266 1097320;1428731256;Chillum;2 AA at that level of draw will last near a week 1097321;1428731287;Chillum;both use 3.3v 1097322;1428731308;Chillum;aw crap just dumped an ashtary on my keyboard and naken body 1097323;1428731318;Chillum;s/naken/naked/ 1097324;1428731389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130300 @ 0.00028083 = 36.5921 BTC [-] {2} 1097325;1428731394;menahem;that is the last thing i wanna picture. going back to the link mircea posted.. 1097326;1428731414;Chillum;I look grey but I am not! 1097327;1428731420;Chillum;it is ashes! 1097328;1428731466;Chillum;FYI I am always naked when on IRC 1097329;1428731474;menahem;lol wtf. 1097330;1428731510;mats;;;gettrust Chillum 1097331;1428731511;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Chillum!~highinbc@wikipedia/Chillum. Trust relationship from user mats to user Chillum: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mats&dest=Chillum | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Chillum | Rated since: Thu Feb 26 23:32:23 2015 1097332;1428731544;Chillum;you wanna do business mats? 1097333;1428731554;Chillum;you got any gold? 1097334;1428731569;mats;im about to neg rate you if this spam keeps up 1097335;1428731584;Chillum;okay well try talking to me first 1097336;1428731593;mats;we just did. 1097337;1428731605;Chillum;Okay buddy 1097338;1428731663;mircea_popescu;chillum it is an impressive little thing. 1097339;1428731696;mircea_popescu; aw crap just dumped an ashtary on my keyboard and naken body << proof wikipedia is a nudist colony. 1097340;1428731753;mats;have a nice day 1097341;1428731779;mircea_popescu;anyways. tomorrow! 1097342;1428731799;menahem;likewise, ciao! 1097343;1428733319;gabriel_laddel;!rate mats 1 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-04-2015#1091700 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097334 1097344;1428733319;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/691eaa1ffd3b556f 1097345;1428733319;assbot;Logged on 08-04-2015 02:25:15; mircea_popescu: !rate mats 1 Lotta paralegal work on http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ 1097346;1428733319;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 05:52:49; mats: im about to neg rate you if this spam keeps up 1097347;1428733525;gabriel_laddel;!v assbot:gabriel_laddel.rate.mats.1:af274b559672ad59e75e9980aa8d67558cdb50339e2cab5747d1fcc90c50c0bd 1097348;1428733525;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mats with note: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-04-2015#1091700 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097334 1097349;1428733799;gabriel_laddel;!up menahem 1097350;1428733857;menahem;off to bed.. wanted to say: with no trilema, it feels like the net is down. dunno where to surf. 1097351;1428733895;gabriel_laddel;menahem: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/ 1097352;1428733896;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJvzSU ) 1097353;1428733916;gabriel_laddel;menahem: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/hakmem.html 1097354;1428733918;assbot;Why is there Anti-Intellectualism? ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJvAX9 ) 1097355;1428733919;assbot;HAKMEM -- CONTENTS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJvDSD ) 1097356;1428733933;gabriel_laddel;http://jmc.stanford.edu/articles/neutrinos.html 1097357;1428733934;assbot;Neutrinos ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJvC13 ) 1097358;1428733951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138450 @ 0.00029365 = 40.6558 BTC [+] 1097359;1428734021;menahem;szick, thanks! 1097360;1428734338;*;menahem realizes you've given him some great fuel. gracias & night. 1097361;1428735623;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2015#1094268 << so much fraud. like claiming credit for the Rule 110 proof of Turing completeness. 1097362;1428735623;assbot;Logged on 09-04-2015 21:25:19; ascii_field: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20141104/NEWS04/141109944/mathematicas-wolfram-sued-accused-of-secretly-recording-calls << l0l! apparently he's still sc4mz0r1ng folks 1097363;1428737153;gabriel_laddel;!up Vexual 1097364;1428737163;gabriel_laddel;!up hktud0 1097365;1428737166;gabriel_laddel;!up joecool 1097366;1428737171;gabriel_laddel;!up CheckDavid 1097367;1428737209;Vexual;hey 1097368;1428737645;Vexual;alf: electrons that don't all move much 1097369;1428737689;Vexual;has anyone actually found a pencil small enough to mark one? 1097370;1428737696;gabriel_laddel;!down Vexual 1097371;1428737827;joecool;gabriel_laddel: bored? 1097372;1428737848;gabriel_laddel;joecool: story of my life. 1097373;1428737867;gabriel_laddel;!s so sick of asciminerism I can't even begin to tell all 1097374;1428737868;assbot;0 results for 'so sick of asciminerism I can't even begin to tell all' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=so+sick+of+asciminerism+I+can%27t+even+begin+to+tell+all 1097375;1428737892;gabriel_laddel;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=so+sick+of+I+can%27t+even+begin+to+tell+all 1097376;1428737893;assbot;1 results for 'so sick of I can't even begin to tell all' - #bitcoin-assets search 1097377;1428737909;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-12-2014#948253 1097378;1428737909;assbot;Logged on 08-12-2014 15:50:58; mircea_popescu: im so fucking sick of asicminerism i can't even begin to tell it all. 1097379;1428737921;gabriel_laddel; /s/asicminerism/earth 1097380;1428741271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105700 @ 0.0002942 = 31.0969 BTC [+] {3} 1097381;1428741303;gabriel_laddel;#bitcoin-assets distro update: 1097382;1428741304;gabriel_laddel;I've made little to no progress on the codebase recently short of cleaning it up and ensuring that if, for some reason I'm interrupted, that someone else will be able to pick up where I left off if necessary. The sources, coupled with http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html provide enough detail for one to know what I have in mind and why. http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html provides an overview of the 1097383;1428741305;assbot;A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem (DRAFT) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykf3Js ) 1097384;1428741306;assbot;Masamune ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykf3Jw ) 1097385;1428741306;gabriel_laddel;project. I would suggest that no one waste their time working on this for the time being, I've simply cleaned things up on the off chance that I end up in alphabet soup or the like. The remainder of hacking that needs to be done is of the flavor described here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/master/browser/conkeror.lisp 1097386;1428741308;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykf6oH ) 1097387;1428741334;gabriel_laddel;Adlai ben_vulpes mats ^ 1097388;1428741454;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 458 @ 0.00451914 = 2.0698 BTC [+] {2} 1097389;1428741508;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1096338 << The docview program for Emacs converts .pdfs into .png files for viewing. Use this in 'batch mode' to prep for OCR. Then use ML to extract images, alignment information, resolve citations, authors. 1097390;1428741508;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 01:11:43; Chillum: the tech has improved only a little(mostly optimizations) since machine learning was invented 1097391;1428741557;gabriel_laddel;The programmatic object returned then can be used on top of something like e.g., CLIM 1097392;1428741566;gabriel_laddel;Which would be sane, and teh hotness. 1097393;1428741662;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2015#1012802 << Seriously looking at linux has convinced me that this must wait until after a stable #-assets distribution and wotnet. 1097394;1428741662;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2015 19:54:52; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you seriously thinking of implementing a sane pgp ? 1097395;1428741667;gabriel_laddel;!up the_scourge 1097396;1428741788;the_scourge;gabriel_laddel: don't need to up me every 30min i'm just lurking on a rainy morning. plus i've got a bunch of coding do to so i won't want to have voice ... i'll end up chatting too much :) 1097397;1428741851;the_scourge;plus look at the logs i've been kickbanned 1097398;1428741858;gabriel_laddel;!down the_scourge 1097399;1428742125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 247900 @ 0.00029453 = 73.014 BTC [+] {2} 1097400;1428742218;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-03-2015#1069268 << for the record I was not attempting to "pass off" anything, but rather clearly define what it is that I'm talking about. I'm rather happy to have second-guessed that decision because the correct answer is that the lordship isn't clearly defined outside of what has been posted to trilema and as one who isn't a lord I have no buisness calling it anything other 1097401;1428742218;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 00:25:57; nubbins`: or, what was it the guy tried to pass off? "the peerage" 1097402;1428742218;gabriel_laddel; than "the lordship". 1097403;1428742308;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-03-2015#1054484 1097404;1428742308;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 02:24:27; asciilifeform: thing was called 'flare' 1097405;1428742366;gabriel_laddel;^ Amazing that this shmuck (Yudkowsky) has funding. 1097406;1428742366;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1097407;1428742487;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1050100 << \o *high five sound* 1097408;1428742487;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 12:07:24; Adlai: o/ 1097409;1428745785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 184600 @ 0.0002859 = 52.7771 BTC [-] {2} 1097410;1428747328;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 155.16184834 BTC. Current weight: 64,464. 1097411;1428748896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 273500 @ 0.00029479 = 80.6251 BTC [+] {2} 1097412;1428752831;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095085 <<< wake up before it goes off :P least that is what i've been doing 1097413;1428752831;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 18:16:14; ascii_field: i - age two weeks every time my alarm clock rings. 1097414;1428753504;cazalla;RE: collapse and motor vehicles, seriously now, ya'll want a dirt bike, what fucking use is a car going to be? dirt bike can go anywhere 1097415;1428757192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230750 @ 0.0002949 = 68.0482 BTC [+] {3} 1097416;1428757440;*;Adlai reads the gabriel_laddel manifesto 1097417;1428760486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00029075 = 15.0899 BTC [-] 1097418;1428762844;mats;windows server 2003 EOL in under a hundred days 1097419;1428765002;Chillum;Good morning 1097420;1428765656;Apocalyptic;!up Michail1 1097421;1428765672;Michail1;Heard people in here play with pogoplug. True? 1097422;1428765679;asciilifeform;!s pogo 1097423;1428765680;assbot;377 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo 1097424;1428765684;Michail1;Thanks. 1097425;1428765742;asciilifeform;Michail1: see also http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev starting from feb.'15 1097426;1428765818;Michail1;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev -- redirects to: http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/ and then times out. 1097427;1428765861;Apocalyptic;Michail1, yeah same here, looks like the server is down 1097428;1428765867;asciilifeform;works here 1097429;1428765880;asciilifeform;jurov: ? 1097430;1428765898;Michail1;Ok, you're sucking up all the BW. Let Apocalyptic and me in. :P 1097431;1428766212;Michail1;Strange. works if I go directly to: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/ 1097432;1428766212;assbot;The BTC-dev Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqxN0p ) 1097433;1428766219;Michail1;Ok, found the issue. 1097434;1428766250;Michail1;Your link was to: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev <~~~ no trailing / 1097435;1428766266;Michail1;So, it redirects to: http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/ instead of: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/ 1097436;1428766270;assbot;The BTC-dev Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqxYsC ) 1097437;1428766305;Michail1;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev does not work. 1097438;1428766310;Michail1;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/ does work. 1097439;1428766311;assbot;The BTC-dev Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nqy7w5 ) 1097440;1428766315;asciilifeform;jurov ^ 1097441;1428766342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172850 @ 0.00029063 = 50.2354 BTC [-] {2} 1097442;1428768764;mats;http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/national/2015/04/fbi_man_plotted_suicide_bomb_attack_at_kansas_military_base_0 USG exploits another mentally unwell person 1097443;1428768764;assbot;FBI: Man plotted suicide bomb attack at Kansas military base | Boston Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1aivASy ) 1097444;1428769079;Adlai;https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3275k9/daily_discussion_saturday_april_11_2015/cq8ll5j "What is China's trading area called, Great Wall Street?" 1097445;1428769081;assbot;selectorsam comments on [Daily Discussion] Saturday, April 11, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1aiwCxT ) 1097446;1428771541;funkenstein_;mats, sounds like "the secret agent" by joseph conrad 1097447;1428772082;mats;nothing fictional or derivative about it 1097448;1428772153;mats;this kinda con is on chapter one in the playbook 1097449;1428772812;mats;a shit tsunami of tcpip.sys bugs lies in wait for server 2003 EOL 1097450;1428774766;mats;http://recon.cx/2014/slides/Recon%202014%20Skochinsky.pdf intel me overview 1097451;1428778491;ben_vulpes;mats: go to sleep 1097452;1428778505;ben_vulpes;;;later tell gabriel_laddel interdasting, i'll look over this 1097453;1428778505;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1097454;1428778850;ben_vulpes;holy hell this is a manifesto 1097455;1428778921;ben_vulpes;;;later tell gabriel_laddel why are you in particular doomed for the alphabet soup? 1097456;1428778921;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1097457;1428779405;ben_vulpes;'lo, sir 1097458;1428779414;gabriel_laddel;good afternoon 1097459;1428779480;funkenstein_;afternoon 1097460;1428779512;funkenstein_;sorry i didn't get through reading the references in the references in the start of your material <-- how slow i am 1097461;1428779512;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: i was under the impression you were in the process of curating a distro, was i mistaken 1097462;1428779519;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: no 1097463;1428779541;gabriel_laddel;the distro has been curated - the development on top of that has not been finished 1097464;1428779560;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097455 << I'm not "doomed to it" anymore than anyone else. But I am looking for someone in the silly valley to pay my bills. When I explain what it is that I'm doing, let's say that this individual truely understands the implications of 1097465;1428779560;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 19:02:01; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel why are you in particular doomed for the alphabet soup? 1097466;1428779566;gabriel_laddel;"A single procedure call being all that is necessary to bundle the entirety of the (possibly heavily modified) sources into a redistributable bootable USB stick installer or network download. Coupled with meaningful extensibility, the unsophisticated interests that have taken ahold of the bureaucratic process of all linux distributions are bypassed. Imagine hunting down 1000s of individuals distributing a less crapp 1097467;1428779566;gabriel_laddel;y linux kernel via sneakernet produced by ? who didn't interface with the kernel devs and originally uploaded his modifications from several drones abandoned on coffee shop rooftops." 1097468;1428779584;gabriel_laddel;They are guaranteed to have an agent one or two handshakes away. 1097469;1428779641;ben_vulpes;nobody's coming after distro authors. 1097470;1428779660;ben_vulpes;the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase. 1097471;1428779691;gabriel_laddel;I'm not saying that it will happen, merely planning for the unlikely 1097472;1428779721;trinque;regendering << what a time to be alive 1097473;1428779756;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: plan for victory, hedge appropriately. 1097474;1428779763;gabriel_laddel;yep. 1097475;1428779772;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: have you heard of la serenissima's insurance policy? 1097476;1428779781;gabriel_laddel;nope, do tell 1097477;1428779800;ben_vulpes;bigger deal than the declaration of sovereignty. 1097478;1428779814;ben_vulpes;http://deedbot.org/350404-1BguzAaZR1j1j3EaAipNtt4xJoroy8V25o.txt 1097479;1428779815;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fyfb57 ) 1097480;1428779849;ben_vulpes;ey trinque, d'you have time to get the legacy deeds in this weekend? 1097481;1428779853;gabriel_laddel;impressive. 1097482;1428779859;ben_vulpes;it's be stellar to have them in place before con3. 1097483;1428779863;ben_vulpes;it'd* 1097484;1428779872;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeah I have time today 1097485;1428779882;trinque;doing some work atm but I'll make sure that happens this afternoon 1097486;1428779895;ben_vulpes;thank youuuuuu 1097487;1428779911;trinque;ben_vulpes: as I understand it I'll just take the old deeds and re-bundle them? 1097488;1428779926;trinque;is that what's desired, or should I involve the old transactions somehow 1097489;1428779935;ben_vulpes;buuh you and his popescuity have a better handle on the thing 1097490;1428779937;ben_vulpes;hm 1097491;1428779946;ben_vulpes;well the embedding transactions already went out 1097492;1428779958;*;ben_vulpes looks at deedbot.org 1097493;1428779972;trinque;embedding? 1097494;1428779990;trinque;arguably this is the first time this deedbot has seen any of these docs, so I don't think it makes sense to use old transactions as the timestamp 1097495;1428779992;ben_vulpes;do you think it'd be adequate to publish the block, the address and the bundle in the same table on deedbot.org? 1097496;1428780006;ben_vulpes;sure, *your* deedbot. 1097497;1428780008;mats;is there a direct equivalent for docview in vim? 1097498;1428780029;trinque;ben_vulpes: I could just make another deed with the original transaction data too 1097499;1428780048;ben_vulpes;sure 1097500;1428780061;ben_vulpes;seems like a waste of btc, but w/e 1097501;1428780071;ben_vulpes;no, actually no. 1097502;1428780074;trinque;I'm saying all as one bundle 1097503;1428780087;ben_vulpes;no no no 1097504;1428780091;trinque;publish them like they're new docs, and put an additional doc in there saying "hey here are the original txns for these" 1097505;1428780093;ben_vulpes;those deeds were published in certain blocks 1097506;1428780094;trinque;ben_vulpes: what what what 1097507;1428780101;ben_vulpes;the block in which a deed was published is actually important 1097508;1428780117;trinque;I am aware of that 1097509;1428780129;mircea_popescu;yeah, they were published in certain blocks, you/re not re-deeding them 1097510;1428780145;ben_vulpes;more rows at the bottom of the table, with block, addr and bundle. 1097511;1428780175;trinque;I'll just add a "from" address column, which is always the same for new bundles, but will be the old address for these 1097512;1428780176;ben_vulpes;did the encoding of deed bundle -> addr hash change between your and punkman's versions of the thing? 1097513;1428780187;trinque;shouldn't have 1097514;1428780204;mircea_popescu;i don't get why you'd do anythin other than a db import 1097515;1428780208;ben_vulpes;why is the "from" address necessary? 1097516;1428780413;trinque;ben_vulpes: strictly speaking it's not, except to answer the question "were these supposed to come from a different address?" 1097517;1428780497;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097382 o.O 1097518;1428780497;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 08:35:04; gabriel_laddel: I've made little to no progress on the codebase recently short of cleaning it up and ensuring that if, for some reason I'm interrupted, that someone else will be able to pick up where I left off if necessary. The sources, coupled with http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html provide enough detail for one to know what I have in mind and why. http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html provides an 1097519;1428780515;mircea_popescu;uhh.. 1097520;1428780526;mircea_popescu;the address they COME FROM dun matter, just the address they GO TO 1097521;1428780533;mircea_popescu;and that is constructed procedurally, for a reason 1097522;1428780568;mircea_popescu;remember ? people can spend the dust ? so you or anyone knows what address proves any claim ? 1097523;1428780688;ben_vulpes;yes yes yes 1097524;1428780694;trinque;I get it 1097525;1428780706;trinque;I just didn't run the old one, so was going to maybe mark these as having come from the old thing 1097526;1428780718;ben_vulpes;if you want to, deliniate with an
and a note. 1097527;1428780725;trinque;it's not a big deal 1097528;1428780752;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you gotta have a look at http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097382 1097529;1428780752;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 08:35:04; gabriel_laddel: I've made little to no progress on the codebase recently short of cleaning it up and ensuring that if, for some reason I'm interrupted, that someone else will be able to pick up where I left off if necessary. The sources, coupled with http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html provide enough detail for one to know what I have in mind and why. http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html provides an 1097530;1428780756;ben_vulpes;at the same time...it's la serenissima's list of deeds. the notary in question is somewhat irrelevant. 1097531;1428780791;mircea_popescu;craftsman allowed to put a history mark in there,
is quite reasoanble actually. 1097532;1428780798;trinque;^ 1097533;1428780809;mircea_popescu;no need for a knote. who knowsn knowsn and who doesn't know better go suck some cocks to find out. 1097534;1428780818;trinque;not saying the old one didn't work, just wasn't my work 1097535;1428780825;trinque;easy to verify whether it did too 1097536;1428780834;ben_vulpes;is the dust getting collected? 1097537;1428780837;mircea_popescu;!rated gabriel_laddel 1097538;1428780837;assbot;You have not rated gabriel_laddel. 1097539;1428780840;trinque;ben_vulpes: it's still all out there 1097540;1428780843;trinque;afaik 1097541;1428780868;ben_vulpes;ibd 1097542;1428780897;mircea_popescu;!rate gabriel_laddel 1 http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html so basically this asshole once decided he'll eat an exercise ball. 1097543;1428780897;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5e6532f9ff1c1706 1097544;1428780899;assbot;A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem (DRAFT) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykf3Js ) 1097545;1428780900;assbot;Masamune ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nrogq5 ) 1097546;1428780930;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gabriel_laddel.1:571f1ba6498d6c3fdb57a76a9bceb507251f88ce8977775e25f165ecfb533340 1097547;1428780930;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for gabriel_laddel with note: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html so basically this asshole once decided he'll eat an exercise ball. 1097548;1428781031;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabriel_laddel "If you're reading this on github there is a more attractive HTML version here." but "here" IS on github. subdomain.gutrot.io 1097549;1428781032;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1097550;1428781039;mircea_popescu;mebbe i dun understand teh terminologies. 1097551;1428781055;ben_vulpes;i think it's a note for people reading via the repository browser 1097552;1428781063;gabriel_laddel;^ correct. 1097553;1428781080;gabriel_laddel;unless I give someone the direct link, as in here they'll only see it from that code path. 1097554;1428781085;mircea_popescu;oh 1097555;1428781087;gabriel_laddel;anyways, that is confusing and I'll update it 1097556;1428781121;mircea_popescu;was masamune the "good" sword or the bad sword ? 1097557;1428781157;mircea_popescu;funny that all the west knows of a millennium of craftsmanship perfection and perhaps the matrix for all human accomplishment is "but which was the bad one". 1097558;1428781178;gabriel_laddel;It is the good sword. However in the game I stole the reference from - it was the sword of the villain. 1097559;1428781179;mircea_popescu;because yeah, totally, good-evil duality, most important thing that happened. was tom cruise in that ? 1097560;1428781227;gabriel_laddel;yeah, him and Bruce Willis 1097561;1428781228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you wish to blame someone for the new jersey approach, blame constantine. it is HIS fault he stopped throwing idiots to the lions. 1097562;1428781249;mircea_popescu;the nj dudes were just wasps, an irrelevant, far removed margin of the idiocy pie. 1097563;1428781309;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel "MOOCS (massively open online courses and the like) have failed due to fundamental issues with their technical perspective - a perspective shared by nearly the entire fiat world. New frontiers have opened, Masamune provides a technical foundation for mission critical programmes of the future." 1097564;1428781314;mircea_popescu;this is vague, and in being vague is shit. 1097565;1428781319;mircea_popescu;what is wrong with "moocs" ? 1097566;1428781371;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: have you tried to use one? 1097567;1428781378;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: or seen their completion rates? 1097568;1428781384;mircea_popescu;seems besides the point, but no and yes. 1097569;1428781394;gabriel_laddel;they're failures. 1097570;1428781408;mircea_popescu;in the "completion rate" sense, esp if ill defined, b-a is a failure. 1097571;1428781441;mircea_popescu;i don't see how it matters. a school which takes 100 7yos, produces 86 dead 18 yos and 14 sane 18yos is best school. 1097572;1428781448;gabriel_laddel;Completion rate is really irrelevent, the problem is that they've created this new "format" and books are still superior. 1097573;1428781451;mircea_popescu;appalling completion rate, but fuck their mothers. 1097574;1428781460;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel show, don't tell. 1097575;1428781465;gabriel_laddel;kk, will do 1097576;1428781474;mircea_popescu;and show me right here, at that. 1097577;1428781503;mircea_popescu;alternatively, i could tell you what's fundamentally broken with them : 1097578;1428781534;gabriel_laddel;Let's say that you sign up for a course. You cannot possibly learn anything interesting because they've got to execute all code in the browser, or barring that, you're aping youtube videos. 1097579;1428781539;mircea_popescu;they purport to be learner-driven. this is as idiotic as it gets. education works in the following stages : learner picks a teacher TO SUBMIT TO, blindly. teacher rapes the learner. this is education. 1097580;1428781574;mircea_popescu;in trying to insulate the learner from the hot core of education (the rape), moocs succeed in educating the learner from education altogether, 1097581;1428781591;gabriel_laddel;but what about autodidacts? 1097582;1428781597;gabriel_laddel;I've never had a formal teacher. 1097583;1428781601;mircea_popescu;becoming something in the style of wikipedia : a great way to batten down the ignorance of users. after a mooc they're just as ignorant as before, but now it's much harder to fix. 1097584;1428781608;gabriel_laddel;(well, one that I learned from) 1097585;1428781614;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel autodidacts are a case of split personality 1097586;1428781620;mircea_popescu;in those cases where they exist. 1097587;1428781626;mircea_popescu;look at mats, nut can't even sleep. 1097588;1428781681;mats;hey nao, i got 7 hours yest 1097589;1428781690;mircea_popescu;see, THAT is fundamental. what you're describing is not fundamental in any sense, but merely technical. which may be whats' wrong with them, for that matter 1097590;1428781702;mircea_popescu;mats how's life feel 1097591;1428781721;gabriel_laddel;While I think that the whole submitting to a teacher thing is important in some cases, we have 100ks of people running through e.g., introductory chemistry courses. There are only so many paths to walk. 1097592;1428781736;gabriel_laddel;One should be able to pick up a computer and learn 1097593;1428781738;mircea_popescu;the path analogy is very misleading, imo. 1097594;1428781742;mats;its a relatively nice spring day in new england 1097595;1428781755;mircea_popescu;irl, there exists such a thing as gravity. you can't float broadly over a path. gravity pushes you down into it. 1097596;1428781763;mircea_popescu;in abstract fields, no gravity to be your cruel mistress. 1097597;1428781772;mircea_popescu;same must be provided for you elsewhere for your learning to be a path. 1097598;1428781787;mircea_popescu;this can not be fixed by making the path itself different. it is outside the path. yes chemistry is the same. 1097599;1428781798;mircea_popescu;for a learner to learn it, it's not enough for chemistry to "be". 1097600;1428781820;mircea_popescu;mats nice spring here too, which means cooler o.O and for some reason they call spring autumn. 1097601;1428781864;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel if you wish the path analogy, moocs are like tourists : they go "to a foreign country", spend their time between local mcdonalds and local starbucks in the "idiot foreigners" quarter. 1097602;1428781882;mircea_popescu;travel is not tourism. travel is when you have pregnancy scares with local women that do not speak your language. 1097603;1428781963;mircea_popescu;which brings us back to my point : tourist in kenya is not more knowledgeable on "the country of africa" than obama. guy that went through "mooc introduction to chemistry" has NOT been introduced to chemistry. 1097604;1428781974;mircea_popescu;he's been introduced to not ever knowing chemistry. 1097605;1428781985;mats;autumn? weird. 1097606;1428781988;mircea_popescu;take enough of these you will never ever know anything. 1097607;1428782039;mats;i'm headed out in a bit to check out some MIT exhibits 1097608;1428782050;ben_vulpes;ask them to wire a lightbulb up 1097609;1428782053;mats;where you at whaack 1097610;1428782112;mats;yall don't give MIT kids enough credit. just sayn. 1097611;1428782123;mircea_popescu;for that matter, another important hook is the scientific method. (kuhn's book on the topic is absolutely required here, and really it's 100 pages or some shit.) 1097612;1428782162;trinque;mats: the US is literally idiocracy throughout 1097613;1428782162;mircea_popescu;the scientific method exists to provide support for research BY DENYING RESEARCH. that's all it does : marks wide swaths of perfectly valid human inquiry with a tar brush reading "STUPID SHIT WE DONT CARE LALALA" 1097614;1428782185;mircea_popescu;this is of course silly, in the abstract. in practice, it's the only way to have research, by cutting paths out of the unknown. 1097615;1428782204;mircea_popescu;the kid who wants to go "in all directions" just ends up making wall pizza 1097616;1428782207;ben_vulpes;eerie parallel to the "disqualifying bad teachers" thread. 1097617;1428782212;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1097618;1428782282;mircea_popescu;but anyway, moocs are made for the wiki generation of broken heads, and a necessary outgrowth from the brokedness baked in the pseudo-encyclopedism. 1097619;1428782293;ben_vulpes;"Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax (detect false positives short a full parser)" << this strikes me as a special case of the "cannot simulate a universe without a universe" claim. 1097620;1428782308;mats;trinque: underestimating dangerous people is how clever folks get killed all the time. 1097621;1428782320;trinque;eh? 1097622;1428782320;mircea_popescu;mats how's the mit grad dangerous ? 1097623;1428782322;ben_vulpes;lol mit kids are dangerous now? 1097624;1428782335;mircea_popescu;well... "danger to himself and others"... 1097625;1428782350;trinque;my comment was sarcastic; I'm sure there are those at MIT that can manage a lightbulb 1097626;1428782355;ben_vulpes;the notion that google/facebook/mentorgraphics/ibm feeder schools produce dangerous individuals is *laughable* 1097627;1428782356;mats;i know more than a few grads that have gone on to accept offers with outfits like Palantir. 1097628;1428782362;ben_vulpes;precisely. 1097629;1428782370;ben_vulpes;feeder schools for the meatrobot farms. 1097630;1428782383;ben_vulpes;MIT killed Schwartz. 1097631;1428782385;mircea_popescu;uh. this is like saying "these drama nerds are very sexy, i know one writing for sex in the city" 1097632;1428782389;mircea_popescu;that's... not how it works. 1097633;1428782392;mircea_popescu;!up sinetekVII 1097634;1428782420;ben_vulpes;all of the other smart kids now know - MIT murders those who step out of line. 1097635;1428782421;mats;presuming there is not one functioning brain in the lot is fantasy. 1097636;1428782429;ben_vulpes;best go to reed or something. 1097637;1428782440;ben_vulpes;"not one functioning brain" << oversimplification 1097638;1428782443;mircea_popescu;mats the presumption is merely that any remaining brains are there IN SPITE of mit 1097639;1428782451;mircea_popescu;not because of it. that's all. 1097640;1428782468;ben_vulpes;moreover, MIT isn't producing more "functioning brains" 1097641;1428782474;mircea_popescu;but less. 1097642;1428782491;ben_vulpes;but simulacra that pass the sniff test at palantir and other usg sinecure production theaters 1097643;1428782519;mircea_popescu;fuck knows what palantir actually does. 1097644;1428782530;mircea_popescu;dubious if even the head has a clear picture. mebbe, 1097645;1428782537;trinque;persuade the usg to cut them fat checks 1097646;1428782538;ben_vulpes;procures and doles out usg cash. what else does one need to know? 1097647;1428782563;mircea_popescu;well, that's the function, financially, whatever. i mean you know, in its own privacy. 1097648;1428782579;mats;what i know is that i encountered the single largest number of talented folks with skills in weaponizing exploits at MIT 1097649;1428782593;ben_vulpes;writes haskell, wanks in ever more theatrical ways, no doubt. 1097650;1428782594;mats;and its nothing to scoff at. even for a second. 1097651;1428782613;mats;underestimate at your own peril 1097652;1428782647;mircea_popescu;so i should be careful with my windows 7 - ready laptop around them ? 1097653;1428782679;ben_vulpes;zing 1097654;1428782687;mircea_popescu;i've been there yo. i lived half a year in lowell, mass. i ate half my meals in the house of professors there. i know the place, as it happens. 1097655;1428782723;mircea_popescu;unless they found some sort of unction in the intervening decade, you can't find a single soul on the entire communist autonomous enclave of cambridge that can speak latin. 1097656;1428782728;mats;lowell is the anus of greater boston, yo. 1097657;1428782738;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: 6.2.3 has some bogus character formatting 1097658;1428782776;mircea_popescu;lol is it ? 1097659;1428782800;mircea_popescu;at the time they were spending massively on some sort of "re-whatever" urban thing. turned a bunch of the old mills into artist lofts and whatnot 1097660;1428782842;mircea_popescu;(middlesex college has better tail, btw). 1097661;1428782910;mircea_popescu;http://mxcc.edu/future-students/ < http://mxcc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Benefits-of-Community-College-You-May-Not-Have-Thought-About-300x228.jpg 1097662;1428782914;assbot;Middlesex Community College - Middletown, CT ... ( http://bit.ly/1FynCxh ) 1097663;1428782915;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FynEoX ) 1097664;1428782925;mircea_popescu;shit, wrong one. wtf. 1097665;1428782941;ben_vulpes;trinque: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html << 6.2.5 speaks to our shared visions of corporation as research/engineering labs 1097666;1428782942;assbot;A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem (DRAFT) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FynIFh ) 1097667;1428782970;mircea_popescu;https://www.middlesex.mass.edu/ sadly no lulzy picture of words. 1097668;1428782971;assbot;Middlesex Community College - Homepage ... ( http://bit.ly/1FynQ7E ) 1097669;1428783224;trinque;ben_vulpes: this writeup is triggering my end-user-programming ptsd 1097670;1428783241;mircea_popescu;he really got something there. 1097671;1428783255;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i hope you appreciate i hit you over the head because i like you. 1097672;1428783280;ben_vulpes;i've gleaned some useful stuff from this. 1097673;1428783295;ben_vulpes;mostly that curating a distro and then building a lispy "os" on it is a bugger of a task. 1097674;1428783309;ben_vulpes;(also that SLY exists) 1097675;1428783354;trinque;ben_vulpes: 6.1 was eric's thought on the matter as well 1097676;1428783388;trinque;that the right computing environment would just naturally de-derp the user 1097677;1428783391;trinque;I have my doubts 1097678;1428783401;mircea_popescu;"The technical apartheid." 1097679;1428783419;trinque;mircea_popescu: my old boss called it the "end-user/developer divide." 1097680;1428783446;mircea_popescu;^ lulzy. naturam expellas furca, tamen usque recurret 1097681;1428783464;mircea_popescu;so... you do in fact agree self directed doesn't work, and the shit has to be stomped out. just don't wanna say it. 1097682;1428783495;trinque;I agree 100% 1097683;1428783508;mircea_popescu;trinque there's definitely something to it. taking people out of a social context which forces and incentivizes them to be stupid usually results in shock, and then significant improvement. 1097684;1428783522;ben_vulpes;#b-a in a nutshell. 1097685;1428783523;trinque;anything I know is because I had mentors yelling at me and/or my work over my career so far 1097686;1428783525;mircea_popescu;kinda how "brainwashing" in the harem works. or body washing, for that matter. 1097687;1428783536;mircea_popescu;"i can't believe i'm losing all this weight. i am eating way more than b4" 1097688;1428783581;trinque;how could the student know how to construct a scenario which will teach him something he does not yet know 1097689;1428783591;trinque;maybe accidentally, but that's about it 1097690;1428783605;mircea_popescu;... rather than provide for him the illusion that he has something new while saving him the effort by merely renaming the old shit in his head. 1097691;1428783635;mircea_popescu;self directed learning is like declaratory gender. "i am a woman now". "i am a chemist now". wd eh. 1097692;1428783696;mircea_popescu;" oil, refineries " << spurious comma at least. 1097693;1428783798;mircea_popescu;footnote 2 is at best confused, and fails to make its point. 1097694;1428783812;mircea_popescu; regarding the following questions: [basic, sensible questions] doth not work, for one. 1097695;1428783833;mircea_popescu;" Prior to this, the IRS scandal, and currently the administration is refusing to take action on the illegal immigration problem. " << the main clause lost its verb. 1097696;1428783846;mircea_popescu;whole thing looks to me like so much emotion flailing to find expression. 1097697;1428783868;mircea_popescu;Googling "Leeland Yee", "California IOU", "Keith Jackson" or "mexican gangs" paints a rather grim picture. << i thought the web was broken. 1097698;1428783930;trinque;I think this self directed learning thing is just a reaction against having shitty universities; I know that's what motivated me to work on something similar 1097699;1428783931;mircea_popescu;ow sheit look at that. linking to... "the myspace anyone can edit" from your foundational document ? what happens if tomorrow that thing reads "laddel eats c0ks lawl" ? 1097700;1428783966;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah, which i insist on the score. the way the brokedness system has propagated itself since at least hamilton, ie two centuries ago, 1097701;1428783974;mircea_popescu;is the carefully managed "reaction to". 1097702;1428784004;mircea_popescu;if you think about how a split is driven into wood, i mean the newtonian mechanics underlying the process, you have the model ready : each advancement of the split is a "reaction to" one side or the other overbalancing. 1097703;1428784044;mircea_popescu;you can waltz straight to the devil on x axis by bouncing from -1 to +1 on the y axis. 1097704;1428784226;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel " I've assembled some quotes from Wikipedia which paint, from what I could tell, an accurate picture," what is the meaning of "from what i could tell" in that sentence ? because the follow-up, "I've lived in the US for 22 years and heard nothing about" seems essentially an appeal to ignorance. but that aside, how does the "From what i could tell" construct emerge here ? 1097705;1428784257;mircea_popescu;people don't want to sign code, even code they've written. trinque doesn't want to vouch for bundles he inherited. yet you're willing to vouch for this. why and how come ? 1097706;1428784532;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "this" the distro? 1097707;1428784557;mircea_popescu;no, this the excerpt. 1097708;1428784565;ben_vulpes;ah 1097709;1428784746;mircea_popescu;"africa is still trying to work around the genetic/epigenetic/cultural relationship that leads the inhabitants to destroy anything resembling order." 1097710;1428784758;mircea_popescu;africa is actually, at least from what i've observed, extremely ordered. 1097711;1428784793;mircea_popescu;kinda the subhuman indolence discussed in http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm is its problem. not teh "violent disorder". 1097712;1428784795;assbot;Why is there Anti-Intellectualism? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DUukCU ) 1097713;1428784833;mircea_popescu;rhodesia is the informative example on this topic. the white guys could survive the attack of outside blacks with the support of the inside blacks, even as the outsiders were being sponsored by the usual "helpers". 1097714;1428784874;mircea_popescu;if you can spend half your tiem on your farm and half the time shooting socialists in the head and still be a region leader, clearly the region's not much of a challenge in the first place. 1097715;1428784876;mircea_popescu;!up williamdunne 1097716;1428784905;mircea_popescu;an' all that's really missing is someone willing to go to the trouble. 1097717;1428785122;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem 1097718;1428785275;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel see, the djikstra quotes are great. because they are SOMEONE. 1097719;1428785296;mircea_popescu;i propose, broadly, that nobody ever cites wikipedia, in any context. for this exact reason : source needed. 1097720;1428785318;mircea_popescu;"knowledge" without source is gunk. ideally the source is a pgp signature. absent that, it may be a name pre 1980. 1097721;1428785332;mircea_popescu;but people we don't know from before 1980 MAY NOT EVER BE CITED unless they get in wot. 1097722;1428785341;ascii_modem;in old town dc / seppukuras bloom / but no sword have we. 1097723;1428785341;ascii_modem;ben_vulpes: what did mit do, eat your cat? 1097724;1428785343;mircea_popescu;to go with the "how to fight pseudoscience : ignore it" stuff on trilema. 1097725;1428785368;mircea_popescu;lol maybe his pussy. 1097726;1428785394;mircea_popescu;I once knew a girl, she was very smart. she went to mit, and never came back. 1097727;1428785404;mircea_popescu;no wait. 1097728;1428785404;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: What about using citations found on WikiPedia from somewhat credible sources (post 1980) that lack PGP sigs? 1097729;1428785419;mircea_popescu;I knew a girl once, she was very smart. She went to mit, then returned but never came back. 1097730;1428785436;mircea_popescu;williamdunne someone late may not be credible if they do not get in the wot. 1097731;1428785448;mircea_popescu;someone early may be excused because the word did not exist, is all. 1097732;1428785469;mircea_popescu;"exactly like the bible was driven. before was before, but this is after." 1097733;1428785693;mircea_popescu;"During the last decades the American Departments of Computing Science have severely suffered from a discrepancy between what society asked for and what society needed, but, be it slowly, the gap seems to be closing." 1097734;1428785694;mircea_popescu;heh. 1097735;1428785711;mircea_popescu;mr d is fortunate to have never considered "social studies" seriously. 1097736;1428788119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163250 @ 0.00029545 = 48.2322 BTC [+] {2} 1097737;1428788807;trinque;\\ 1097738;1428789461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150120 @ 0.00029247 = 43.9056 BTC [-] 1097739;1428789664;whaack;MIT duped a bunch of old guys to give us ~1,000 coins. Sure there are many "bad apples" but MP is definitely hating. Idk what's up with the lightbulb video it is a selected subset for the segment IMO 1097740;1428790803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172100 @ 0.00029703 = 51.1189 BTC [+] {3} 1097741;1428790846;mircea_popescu;whaack for all we know it's actors. 1097742;1428790857;mircea_popescu;i've never irl met anyone who couldn't actually light a bulb. 1097743;1428790899;whaack;right, that is not realistic 1097744;1428790955;mircea_popescu;still - ars longa, vita brevis. betting on ignorance is always safe. 1097745;1428790983;mircea_popescu;the problem is that they are selling themselves wrongly : as an achievement rather than as an attempt. which is what allows stuff like that video to *denote*, whether it describes or not. 1097746;1428790999;mircea_popescu;and that problem is present, and that problem is the deep reason i despise mit as an intellectual approach. 1097747;1428791008;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure it's why everyone else here, too. 1097748;1428791035;mircea_popescu;you follow ? 1097749;1428791073;whaack;oh definitely, that is a great way to word how I feel about MIT too 1097750;1428791079;mircea_popescu;so there we go. 1097751;1428791198;whaack;it's marketed that way due to the widespread lack of self-confidence in the community 1097752;1428791248;mircea_popescu;now what might be the cause of that. 1097753;1428791271;mircea_popescu;sure, to a certain degree the problem with the world is that idiots are cock sure while mit graduates are full of doubt. 1097754;1428791303;mircea_popescu;to a sadly larger degree however, the mit graudates' professed confidence rings hollow, like the posturings of the tiny dicked. 1097755;1428791388;mircea_popescu;the important part of that video isn't even (to my critical eye) the "light a bulb" segment. the important part is the opening sequence. a dweeb dweebing about how "we are the premiere bla bla". o yeah ? 1097756;1428791407;mircea_popescu;well for one, rhetorics is more than praxis, it's also the voice. that is NOT how you speak, if you even know what speech is. 1097757;1428791414;mircea_popescu;but he doesn't. why does he do it then ? 1097758;1428791434;mircea_popescu;oh, shall we excuse him because well... he didn't say premiere humanities, he said premiere technical, and this distinction is actually a thing ? 1097759;1428791466;mircea_popescu;if we shall excuse him for this, then why is he speaking at all ? he should show, right ? he's a technical guy, riught ? how come the only way his technical achievement reaches me is through rhetorics ? 1097760;1428791509;mircea_popescu;it's a sort of self-parody, that thing. the lightbulb segment merely drives this point home to people who aren't accustomed withj judging discourse : the guys are making total fools of themselves. the way they do it reminds the way the original guy did it. 1097761;1428791645;mircea_popescu;it's really a very well constructed piece, what with this classical parts of discourse, reinforcements of thesis etc approach. the guy that made it handshakes with me, and that's why i believe the piece to be important. it's not a matter of the wikified "was it or wasn't it", totalitarian superficialism. it's that the guy that made it clearly knows what he should be saying, and how. 1097762;1428791660;whaack;well for starters the person who winds up on the podium is going to be the one who spent his time trying to make sure he was on the podium instead of doing something interesting, so he/she will always be amongst the least interesting people at MIT 1097763;1428791673;mircea_popescu;and this can possibly excuse mit ? 1097764;1428791683;mircea_popescu;sounds a lot more like an indictment. 1097765;1428791891;whaack;also, he is likely stating this to try to fight against "sure, to a certain degree the problem with the world is that idiots are cock sure while mit graduates are full of doubt." Whether or not he's having an internal struggle and displaying it or trying to help others with their internal struggles idk, probably the former lol 1097766;1428791935;mircea_popescu;i do not read in the original speaker even the faintest glimmer of intellectual life. 1097767;1428791950;mircea_popescu;he is simply making stuff out of masticated wood pulp, like a wasp 1097768;1428791961;mircea_popescu;"because it's what's done. because it's what was always done. citation needed." 1097769;1428792026;mircea_popescu;a more grievous insult to what mit aims to pretend it is could not be devised. even if they invited elena ceausescu to hold that podium. 1097770;1428792079;mircea_popescu;an earthworm taped to an empty box at the grocer's is at least unrelated to academia, rather than the exact opposite of it. they would have been better served by the earthworm. 1097771;1428792267;whaack;right, but you collect a lot of people into the group "mit" The people who are in charge of running the quasi-religious graduation ceremony are logically always going to be the ones who are not pursuing interesting shit 1097772;1428792308;whaack;About half the students don't show up to this stuff, and when they do it's just because it's a place to socialize while someone is rambling in the background 1097773;1428792329;mircea_popescu;why logically ? 1097774;1428792340;mircea_popescu;that's the crux here. why "logically" ? 1097775;1428792413;whaack;because if you are deeply invested in research you have no time for the podium shenanagins, so it logically follows that those who are not deeply invested in research are the ones who do have time for podium shenanagins 1097776;1428792454;mircea_popescu;so now we're split in three, technical, humanities AND podium shenanigans ? 1097777;1428792510;mircea_popescu;division of labour is one thing. thought however... now that's indivisible. 1097778;1428792583;whaack;so now we're split in three, technical, humanities AND podium shenanigans ? << I'm confused what you're saying 1097779;1428792664;mircea_popescu;i am saying that historically kids that could add were excused from having to express themselves on the very flimsy grounds that "hey, not like they went to vassar, they're technical minds". hence the humanities-technicals division. 1097780;1428792686;mircea_popescu;now we're going to excuse everyone on the grounds that hey, no matter how badly the perceptible mit sucks, there's a really cool meta-mit ? 1097781;1428792690;mircea_popescu;like alf's meta-nsa ? 1097782;1428792745;whaack;now we're going to excuse everyone on the grounds that hey, no matter how badly the perceptible mit sucks, there's a really cool meta-mit ? << basically, yes 1097783;1428792745;mircea_popescu;like, you know, "my real self hasn't shown up yet" ? 1097784;1428792749;mircea_popescu;seems a diseased state. 1097785;1428792792;mircea_popescu;imo society would be better off with a lot of conjugally abused women ("but you don't know him like i do!") and functioning institutions 1097786;1428792815;mircea_popescu;than with no conjugal arrangements to speask of and institutionally abused people ("but you don't know mit like i do!") 1097787;1428792821;mircea_popescu;wtf even is all this cancer. 1097788;1428792838;mircea_popescu;ssergorp or something. 1097789;1428793292;hanbot;brandworld problems. the moment people care more about being associated with the group than doing the group's work, groupname is a lost cause. 1097790;1428793335;mircea_popescu;used to be. not anymore, thanks to wot etc, but myeah. 1097791;1428793400;mircea_popescu;still, a significant bias against anyone that offers their being a mit graduate does attach. one necessarily thinks "so this kid is dumb or what." 1097792;1428793428;mircea_popescu;even if they appear smart, that flaw is hard to wash. "he's dumb at least some times, apparently..." 1097793;1428793549;whaack;So... do you hold it against me for even revealing that I'm a student there? 1097794;1428793617;mircea_popescu;i don't particularly care, but doesn't it make you yourself wonder ? 1097795;1428793757;mircea_popescu;anyway, to answer the general question : biases are a statistic concept, they are meaningful when discussing groups, not individuals. for all i know you're there to troll them, or the only pipe you can get water to your house in happens to be rusted, what are you to do, be without water at all ? gotta wash etc. 1097796;1428793775;mircea_popescu;moreover,without specific cause, why would i judge the affairs of another to begin with ? 1097797;1428793827;mircea_popescu;you can be the dean of aids-is-cured-by-raping-virgin-infants university of harare for all i care. 1097798;1428793875;whaack;so revealing I go to MIT, for the most part, commands the respect of ignorant people 1097799;1428793945;whaack;so instead of "he's dumb at least some times, apparently.." you may want to think "is this fucker insulting me?" 1097800;1428793950;mircea_popescu;well if you do it inappropriately it may well command the disdain of thinking people. 1097801;1428793965;mircea_popescu;everyone's dumb at least some of the time. 1097802;1428793987;mircea_popescu;what exactly would be insulting about you going to mit ? 1097803;1428794003;mircea_popescu;i go to fratelli icecream parlour, does that insult you ? 1097804;1428794038;whaack;I'm saying that some ignorant people exalt those who go to MIT 1097805;1428794054;whaack;so, if for whatever reason I want the respect of an ignorant person, I may reveal to them that I go to MIT 1097806;1428794107;mircea_popescu;well, kinda poisoned. you don't generally want the respect of ignorant people on their own terms, but on yours. 1097807;1428794119;mircea_popescu;if you allow them to respect you on their own terms you end up buying into their stupidity sooner or later. 1097808;1428794157;whaack;right this is something I've realized / been coming to terms with only recently 1097809;1428794165;whaack;(sadly) 1097810;1428794204;mircea_popescu;you got plenty of time, 1097811;1428794206;mircea_popescu;for tomorrow, you die. 1097812;1428794282;whaack;your words hit hard, gonna copy that one 1097813;1428794370;mircea_popescu;!up e63 1097814;1428794383;whaack;((changes resume to name, bitcoin address, and gpg key)) 1097815;1428794419;mircea_popescu;great conversation piece 1097816;1428794843;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097448 << sadly. 1097817;1428794843;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 17:09:13; mats: this kinda con is on chapter one in the playbook 1097818;1428794964;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097470 << werd. 1097819;1428794964;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 19:14:20; ben_vulpes: the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase. 1097820;1428795005;mircea_popescu;and if you don't put them in, hell, you'll sit and wodner why is it eliezer potterboy "gets funding" and why is it that the retarded seem to be particularly offended at whatever you happened to write last. 1097821;1428795028;mircea_popescu;sort-of like the bear wondering why he's not getting any milk and the shepherd dogs bark. 1097822;1428795074;mircea_popescu;"if only you were a sheep" "but i'm to big to be a sheep!" "nevertheless" "but sheep don't get milk anyway" "well... they're in the general area of where cheese is made..." 1097823;1428795075;mircea_popescu;logic. 1097824;1428795187;mircea_popescu;"So what is power? According to our friend Thomas Hobbes: servants, friends, riches, reputation, success, affability, nobility, eloquence, and being handsome." sheeit i had forgotten that definition. 1097825;1428795192;mircea_popescu;it actually is not even half bad. 1097826;1428795209;mircea_popescu;SFRRSANE&BH 1097827;1428795226;mircea_popescu;sfrr, sane & bh. 1097828;1428795277;mircea_popescu;(much funnier in romanian, where sfrr is an onomatopeia for sizzle, as in a steak's sizzle, and thus implicitly a pars pro toto reference to "servants, friends, riches, reputation", ie the steak's sizzle.) 1097829;1428795319;mircea_popescu;with expressions like "nici o sfiriala" =lit "no sizzle" = no big deal. 1097830;1428795563;*;ben_vulpes reviews the logs 1097831;1428795574;ben_vulpes;it's the mircea_popescu show! 1097832;1428795581;mircea_popescu;lol 1097833;1428795694;mircea_popescu;irc is the largest challenge to blogging i ever saw. 1097834;1428795696;ben_vulpes;anyways nonzero odds my grandmother passes during con3 1097835;1428795716;mircea_popescu;well... "irc". assbot-wot-irc. 1097836;1428795731;ben_vulpes;specifically #bitcoin-assets, and that only this year. 1097837;1428795735;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1097838;1428795761;*;mircea_popescu is out of grandparents. 1097839;1428795802;ben_vulpes;this is the last biological one i have 1097840;1428795817;ben_vulpes;and the second to pass while i'm in argentina, if things do play out that way. 1097841;1428795870;mircea_popescu;well here's to not. 1097842;1428795887;ben_vulpes;had an amusing conversation with a "transhumanist" the other day about life extension. counterparty had the notion that somehow we'd seen the limits of the body but not the limits of the brain. i asked if this person had actually ever watched an elderly person go through terminal decline, and the answer was of course "no". 1097843;1428795898;mircea_popescu;See, 3D Labs was a dying company. Their expensive GPUs were being marginalized by NVIDIA's increasing pressure on the workstation market. And unlike NVIDIA, 3D Labs did not have any presence in the mainstream market; if NVIDIA won, they died. 1097844;1428795898;mircea_popescu;Which they did. 1097845;1428795898;mircea_popescu;So, in a bid to remain relevant in a world that didn't want their products, 3D Labs showed up to a Game Developer Conference wielding presentations for something they called "OpenGL 2.0". This would be a complete, from-scratch rewrite of the OpenGL API. And that makes sense; there was a lot of cruft in OpenGL's API at the time (note: that cruft still exists). Just look at how texture loading and binding work; it's semi 1097846;1428795900;mircea_popescu;-arcane. 1097847;1428795902;mircea_popescu;dude... 1097848;1428795951;ben_vulpes;somehow to this person body and brain are separate things. this person who's never actually watched the terminal trainwreck of cascading failures. 1097849;1428795956;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and this person was under 30, and had never taken a virgin asshole, or planted a tree or butchered as much as a rabbit, couldn't put together a disassembled weapon of their choice if they had the whole day 1097850;1428795973;mircea_popescu;and aspires to a job to be obtained through an interview with hr. 1097851;1428795992;ben_vulpes;heh mas o menos 1097852;1428796009;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : if you get your job from the hr dept you suck. real men get their jobs from the ceo.) 1097853;1428796010;ben_vulpes;does actually know how to leverage meatwot for work, could probably put a bolt action together, but that's about it. 1097854;1428796066;mircea_popescu;and to never pass on a good sexist joke : real women, too. 1097855;1428796084;ben_vulpes; well here's to not. << happens to all of us, no sense derping about when or under what conditions. 1097856;1428796104;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1097857;1428796232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187450 @ 0.00029744 = 55.7551 BTC [+] {2} 1097858;1428796262;ben_vulpes; ((changes resume to name, bitcoin address, and gpg key)) << you only have the one addr, and plan to tell folks about it? 1097859;1428796474;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes: what did mit do, eat your cat? << 'tis a tentacle of the beast slithering out of the lake, seeking to fasten its suckers onto and drag under those who'd otherwise fight by my side 1097860;1428799769;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what are your current thoughts on initial nodes for RI's running on the pogo? 1097861;1428799770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 449 @ 0.00251001 = 1.127 BTC [-] 1097862;1428799833;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu, mod6 (others tracking the DNS seed thread as well): i'd like to hear from you all as well 1097863;1428800792;mircea_popescu;that js at google "leaked email" thing is retarded. 1097864;1428800832;mircea_popescu;first off, the ios bs is no thread to the web. second off, the web's reach was never a major factor. third off, the web is failing, on its dismerits, but those have exactly nothing to do with javascript. 1097865;1428800855;mircea_popescu;fourth, js was never a significant or worthy of mention part of the web, at no stage in its lifecycle and certainly not during "infancy". 1097866;1428800876;mircea_popescu;fifth, the "web designer community" is ~= vc bezzle. it has exactly nothing to do with the web, relevancy, the future or anything else. 1097867;1428800891;mircea_popescu;and i could go on but whatevs. not like we're writing the encyclopedia of stupid. 1097868;1428801023;mircea_popescu;!up williamdunne 1097869;1428801032;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot williamdunne 1097870;1428801033;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/williamdunne | http://w.b-a.link/user/williamdunne 1097871;1428801037;williamdunne;Thank you 1097872;1428801039;mircea_popescu;!rate williamdunne 1 new blood 1097873;1428801039;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a22aaa1730ad9108 1097874;1428801061;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.williamdunne.1:6f842a3ee562affa0e377e4854d8c2a068b5464a0bb241fec1ff5a28c232aa96 1097875;1428801061;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for williamdunne with note: new blood 1097876;1428801104;williamdunne;So the b-a WoT is separate to the b-otc WoT 1097877;1428801119;mircea_popescu;yes. 1097878;1428801136;williamdunne;And yeah, JS has always been about sacrificing security/performance for UX 1097879;1428801194;mircea_popescu;"ux". 1097880;1428801223;williamdunne;Well yes, most of the time they take it overboard and it ends up being a suicidal ordeal 1097881;1428801235;mircea_popescu;dux, more properly said. "interface with the stupid users". while i see a clear reason why all women should twerk, whether they like to or not, i see no reason any computer should ever twerk, whether women want them to or not. 1097882;1428801241;mircea_popescu;currently this situation is ass-backwards. 1097883;1428801282;williamdunne;"how do i use mpex - i think the css is broken1" 1097884;1428801324;mircea_popescu;i should probably put a "if you don't see the css, please get the latest version of your browser" 1097885;1428801326;mircea_popescu;drive people nuts. 1097886;1428801353;williamdunne;"please install internet explorer 6" 1097887;1428801383;mircea_popescu;"mpex is from the future. you need internet exploder 28 to view its css v 9 1/3" 1097888;1428801416;williamdunne;However that sort of tomfoolery might lose you your "slightly smoky dragon" award 1097889;1428801430;mircea_popescu;" The ability to incrementally develop programs (featured in the first video) has been a cornerstone feature of Lisp since the 80s (or earlier). " << you know this is the only way i like to program in the rare cases i actually do ? 1097890;1428801441;mircea_popescu;lol 1097891;1428801606;williamdunne;Yes I can remember reading something by you about the stupidity of beautiful code 1097892;1428801630;williamdunne;Or at least of having beautiful code being prioritized over functional code 1097893;1428801687;mircea_popescu;mebbe 1097894;1428801966;assbot;[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.000206 = 2.06 BTC [-] 1097895;1428802022;williamdunne;Oh, I was wondering the other day. What caused the removal of options from MPEX? 1097896;1428802088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157550 @ 0.00029285 = 46.1385 BTC [-] {2} 1097897;1428802544;mircea_popescu;once the blog's back remind me an' i'll link you. 1097898;1428802597;williamdunne;Thank you 1097899;1428803308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 301100 @ 0.00029719 = 89.4839 BTC [+] {2} 1097900;1428804245;williamdunne;Is the source for the WoT available? If I have some free time I'd like to take a crack at making it more readable 1097901;1428804426;felipelalli;!rate mircea_popescu 2 "his articles are great and fully of truth" 1097902;1428804426;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a198584104efc51a 1097903;1428804569;felipelalli;williamdunne: "Oh, I was wondering the other day. What caused the removal of options from MPEX?" << I wonder the same. 1097904;1428804604;felipelalli;williamdunne: this was for me the icing on the cake. 1097905;1428804629;williamdunne;Gotta love some hedging 1097906;1428805322;asciilifeform;re: the mit thing: 1097907;1428805328;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846759 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846760 1097908;1428805328;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2014 03:19:43; asciilifeform: sussman, surrendering to decay: 1097909;1428805328;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2014 03:19:44; asciilifeform: 'You have to do basic science on your libraries to see how they work, trying out different inputs and seeing how the code reacts.' 1097910;1428805334;williamdunne;If anyone is looking for a keybase.io invite hit me up 1097911;1428805348;asciilifeform;^ see his article on why he allowed his iconic 'structure and interpretation of computer programming' course to get the axe. 1097912;1428805373;asciilifeform;williamdunne: we don't want invite to coprophagic restaurant either... 1097913;1428805415;williamdunne;To each his own, while its certainly not a WoT it seems useful to me 1097914;1428805443;williamdunne;(It is not meant to be WoT) 1097915;1428805445;asciilifeform;williamdunne: keybase and friends (usg in the broadest possible sense) can read your mail and sign as you. 1097916;1428805457;asciilifeform;if this satisfies you, why are you even bothering with crypto 1097917;1428805469;williamdunne;I don't store by GPG keys on Keybase... 1097918;1428805521;asciilifeform;to continue with mit thread: and to answer whaack's question: yes being associated with modern mit (vs 1980s and prior) is a serious strike against you. especially if you 'succeed' there. or, heaven help you, employed therein 1097919;1428805549;asciilifeform;to anyone who does not immediately apprehend the reason for my position, i invite a look into the 'mit press' catalogues for the last decade or so. 1097920;1428805575;asciilifeform;virtually 100% envirowhinerism, 'solutions' for the turd world, or 'accomplishments' of the Officially Sad 1097921;1428805596;asciilifeform;nothing even remotely SICP like. 1097922;1428805605;asciilifeform;since 1990 or so. 1097923;1428805710;asciilifeform;and yes i wanted to probe ben_vulpes before saying all of this. 1097924;1428805718;asciilifeform;see how much his picture overlapped with mine. 1097925;1428805760;asciilifeform;but i presently believe that it is the -duty- of any literate man of science today to despise mit and everything it now stands for, just as, e.g., an honest historian or anthropologist must despise harvard. 1097926;1428805777;asciilifeform;and wish to see it demolished, the earth - salted, the inhabitants - lowered into pederasty 1097927;1428805830;asciilifeform;folks who went there - either of these or any other top academies of usg - by all rights ought to pretend to have spent their youth in jail or army. 1097928;1428805870;williamdunne;Both of which cost less 1097929;1428805884;asciilifeform;suppose you meet a chemist who enthusiastically studied and 'succeeded' - top marks! - under elena ceausescu. 1097930;1428805890;asciilifeform;or a biologist - under lysenko. 1097931;1428805901;asciilifeform;what kind of respect does either 'top student' deserve ? 1097932;1428806140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu:asciilifeform you gotta have a look at http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097382 << gabriel_laddel has good summaries of things, but i must confess that i am not particularly interested in 'lispy unix' as i consider it coprophagic pizza. 1097933;1428806140;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 08:35:04; gabriel_laddel: I've made little to no progress on the codebase recently short of cleaning it up and ensuring that if, for some reason I'm interrupted, that someone else will be able to pick up where I left off if necessary. The sources, coupled with http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html provide enough detail for one to know what I have in mind and why. http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html provides an 1097934;1428806176;asciilifeform;trimming down a unixlike to run therealbitcoin and other traditional proggies that we're stuck with - is one thing 1097935;1428806189;asciilifeform;to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other. 1097936;1428806309;mats;22:22:28 <+asciilifeform> ^ see his article on why he allowed his iconic 'structure and interpretation of computer programming' course to get the axe. << link? 1097937;1428806330;asciilifeform;mats: linked shortly below in one of the linked log threads 1097938;1428806407;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he's been introduced to not ever knowing chemistry. << a more or less complete description of most american 'education' on most-any subject today. 1097939;1428806412;asciilifeform;not just at university level, either. 1097940;1428806456;asciilifeform;mats: i know more than a few grads that have gone on to accept offers with outfits like Palantir. << i imagine you know what takes place there. 1097941;1428806469;mats;its not linked, but i did find it by querying the fragment http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/03/24/international-lisp-conference-day-two 1097942;1428806469;assbot;international lisp conference -- day two -- wingolog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GXDJsm ) 1097943;1428806504;asciilifeform;(palantir holds the title for best nameable candidate for meta-nsa. in that they are known to produce the tools which actually work, and - not being part of civil service hierarchy - are free to actually pay programmers something like real money) 1097944;1428806599;asciilifeform;when i say 'meta-nsa' - again it does not meant that every bipedal amoebal 'success organism' drawing pay there is a brilliant master 1097945;1428806610;asciilifeform;most folks in any large organization whatsoever are chaff. 1097946;1428806613;mats;yes, thats why i mentioned it. as a word of caution about respecting the enemy. 1097947;1428806682;mats;sometimes i wonder if folks in here have spent too much time battling midgets and have forgotten what its like to fight a man. 1097948;1428806710;whaack;to anyone who does not immediately apprehend the reason for my position, i invite a look into the 'mit press' catalogues for the last decade or so. << as was expressed in my conversation with mp, mit's press facade is different than its internals. Much like bitcoin 1097949;1428806721;asciilifeform;mats: man appears to fight mainly by swinging midgets like hammer 1097950;1428806729;asciilifeform;(why - ask him, not me) 1097951;1428806732;mats;lol. 1097952;1428806756;asciilifeform;whaack: ultimately 'you are what you pretend to be, so choose carefully what to pretend to be' 1097953;1428806765;asciilifeform;this applies to mit, usg, rome, whoever. 1097954;1428806783;decimation;mats: http://madsciencedefense.com/2014-hand-to-hand-study/ < turns out us military has used hand-to-hand more often than one might think 1097955;1428806786;assbot;The 2014 Hand-to-Hand StudyMad Science Defense ... ( http://bit.ly/1GXEpy1 ) 1097956;1428806795;decimation;"216 out of 1,226 Soldiers (19.0%) reported using hand-to-hand combat skills in at least one encounter. The Soldiers’ descriptions indicated that hand-to-hand combat occurred in a variety of tactical situations " 1097957;1428806815;mats;of course. USG spent the last decade in iraq fighting in hovels. 1097958;1428806829;asciilifeform;how to take out sentry in any way that doesn't count as 'hand' ? 1097959;1428806831;mats;'combatives' are an essential part of training. especially in MOUT. 1097960;1428806834;decimation;“The second lesson incorporated from the PAIs was that Soldiers in OEF and OIF reported that their hand-to-hand combat encounters revolved around a contest over the Soldier’s weapon (e.g., rifle). It appears that a Soldier’s opponent regularly attempted to wrest control of the Soldier’s weapon during hand-to-hand combat encounters.” 1097961;1428806842;mats;(military operations in urban terrain) 1097962;1428806900;asciilifeform;mats: what i know is that i encountered the single largest number of talented folks with skills in weaponizing exploits at MIT << i find it peculiar that anyone would expect to encounter any concentration of such folks in the flesh, for the most part anywhere 1097963;1428806926;mats;i didn't expect it, i sought them out 1097964;1428806926;asciilifeform;what -does- concentrate at mit, and this was a pervasive-enough problem even in the golden days, as attested to by old hands - is concentration of braggarts and showmen 1097965;1428806950;asciilifeform;prestige farms draw narcissists, 'news at 11.' 1097966;1428806985;mats;if not to learn from them, then to identify useful assets 1097967;1428807012;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/03/campbell_harvey.html < a wider indictment of academia 1097968;1428807013;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBi8Wn ) 1097969;1428807033;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1097970;1428807035;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.73, Best ask: 237.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 237.82, 24 hour volume: 18095.46381514, 24 hour low: 233.72, 24 hour high: 240.58, 24 hour vwap: None 1097971;1428807043;decimation;"So the sort of papers that are published in psychology, over 92% of them are, 'Oh, here's a hypothesis; I did an experiment; and I get support.' So that is a problem. Because it leads to people essentially data mining to find a result to find a result and then getting it published. " 1097972;1428807071;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc they recently abandoned the very concept of 'p-value' in its entirety. 1097973;1428807077;asciilifeform;because 'our pheeeelingz matter' 1097974;1428807095;asciilifeform;damnatio memoriae. 1097975;1428807110;asciilifeform;everyone responsible - straight to butugychag. 1097976;1428807114;decimation;"What worries me is that some of these findings that are found with the big data and the data miners, that people look at the findings and then only after the finding, they concoct a story or a theory, develop ex post some intuition, as to why this should work. And I think that's dangerous. I prefer to work on the basis of first principles: what is reasonable." 1097977;1428807131;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i've not your experience nor your eloquence on the topic of MIT, but I do know they waste oodles of money via usg 'science', supply the meatrobots responsible for breaking everything, and glorify the breaking of everything under the auspices of 'patriotism'. 1097978;1428807171;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it is merely the top concern among such meat processing plants, just as mcdonalds is a leader but sole player in the recycled-food field. 1097979;1428807190;whaack;what -does- concentrate at mit, and this was a pervasive-enough problem even in the golden days, as attested to by old hands - is concentration of braggarts and showmen << my point is the showmen are simply the loudest 1097980;1428807222;asciilifeform;i choose to place the fall of mit as the moment when sicp fell 1097981;1428807239;asciilifeform;just as the fall of rome is pinned to the particular overthrow where it is traditionally pinned 1097982;1428807252;asciilifeform;though both edifices were rotten quite thoroughly to the core long prior. 1097983;1428807259;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i labored a bottom-tier version of same. if that place was as it was, MIT must be even more so. 1097984;1428807263;ben_vulpes;at* a 1097985;1428807330;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: my first gig out of school was at an abominable usg-contracting salt mine where little gurlz straight out of mit, for that fact alone, were promoted, repeatedly, over everyone else's head 1097986;1428807367;asciilifeform;revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine 1097987;1428807392;*;ben_vulpes can readily see it 1097988;1428807420;ben_vulpes;i studied with many of the like. getting them to think outside of the box was not worth the time as there was no prerequisite dicksucking going along with it. 1097989;1428807429;asciilifeform;it was even more of a circus: 1097990;1428807496;asciilifeform;as you may know, i live nowhere near mit. there were two offices. one, in cambridge, contained these masturbators, where they played with (largely nonfunctional) robots all day. whereas ours did the - predominantly deadly boring - work which actually paid the bills. 1097991;1428807542;asciilifeform;but enough of salt mines. i mention it because it was my first wake-up call that something happened to the mythical 'mecca' which i respected for 'having produced lisp machine and sicp' 1097992;1428807560;asciilifeform;before this, i only knew of mit at all from books. 1097993;1428807579;asciilifeform;it was a quasi-mythological animal in my mind, like library of alexandria 1097994;1428807668;asciilifeform;*not sole player in recycled food 1097995;1428807691;decimation;asciilifeform: example of such an mit gurl > http://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/MIT/863.08/people/nadya/ 1097996;1428807692;assbot;how to make almost anything ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBj5Ot ) 1097997;1428807707;asciilifeform;decimation: no shortage of these 1097998;1428807734;decimation;she apparently spends her time coming up with python code to control motors 1097999;1428807739;decimation;as a 'graduate student' 1098000;1428807750;asciilifeform;decimation: have you -met- a modern graduate student ? 1098001;1428807763;asciilifeform;if the code is not plagiarized wholesale, this puts her above 99% of'em. 1098002;1428807780;decimation;heh good point 1098003;1428807959;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase. mircea_popescu: and if you don't put them in, hell, you'll sit and wodner why is it eliezer potterboy "gets funding" << a large part of the purpose of current mit is to produce the folks who will produce these patches. 1098004;1428807972;asciilifeform;they are not, as someone might suppose, dead weight; 1098005;1428807976;asciilifeform;rather, they are politruks. 1098006;1428808018;asciilifeform;and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator. 1098007;1428808026;asciilifeform;never out of earshot of a Party member. 1098008;1428808038;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: I love this article: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ do you keep this opinion? 1098009;1428808038;assbot;Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ca77d8 ) 1098010;1428808058;asciilifeform;;;isup trilema.com 1098011;1428808062;gribble;trilema.com is down 1098012;1428808099;felipelalli;it's not just you! http://trilema.com looks down from here. 1098013;1428808100;assbot;Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A8nPcr ) 1098014;1428808123;asciilifeform;felipelalli: it was unplugged (see mircea_popescu's explanation last night) and evidently not yet rehosted. 1098015;1428808268;felipelalli;asciilifeform: thanks. 1098016;1428808291;felipelalli;!gettrust asciilifeform 1098017;1428808292;assbot;Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 6 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/felipelalli/asciilifeform | http://w.b-a.link/user/asciilifeform 1098018;1428808300;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and aspires to a job to be obtained through an interview with hr. << i have never once found work through an 'hr'. this is not uncommon among my meatwot. (not a magical feat by any means at any rate.) 1098019;1428808447;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what are your current thoughts on initial nodes for RI's running on the pogo? << the initial nodes must be us. 1098020;1428808485;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever. 1098021;1428808616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160000 @ 0.00029166 = 46.6656 BTC [-] {2} 1098022;1428808707;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/blob/master/browser/conkeror.lisp << why?!>!!? 1098023;1428808708;assbot;masamune/conkeror.lisp at master · gabriel-laddel/masamune · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBkHrs ) 1098024;1428808801;mircea_popescu; Is the source for the WoT available? << if you mean, how to interact with assbot ? it's in wiki. 1098025;1428808802;mircea_popescu;!h 1098026;1428808802;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1098027;1428808919;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097925 << not that bad if you're black, tho. 1098028;1428808919;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 02:29:20; asciilifeform: but i presently believe that it is the -duty- of any literate man of science today to despise mit and everything it now stands for, just as, e.g., an honest historian or anthropologist must despise harvard. 1098029;1428808983;decimation;ben_vulpes: looks like they rolled ERC into the new emacs (24.5) 1098030;1428809009;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2014#853306 ? 1098031;1428809009;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2014 11:58:20; mircea_popescu: if i were black in the us i would be fucking worried for my children. being ~10% of the population and >50% of the public discourse is how the hasidim suddenly disappeared from history. 1098032;1428809033;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097931 << one of the brightest minds in an XX body i ever met had finished her thesis under romania's most inept "logician", cca 1988. the woman was not significantly harmed by a half decade's internship with that bootmaker in disguise. 1098033;1428809033;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 02:31:41; asciilifeform: what kind of respect does either 'top student' deserve ? 1098034;1428809052;mircea_popescu;the thing is, romania at the time had a very specific atmosphere, one that protected such people in such situaitons like al oxides protect the al. 1098035;1428809053;asciilifeform;happens! 1098036;1428809081;asciilifeform;i, for instance, happen to believe that soviet mathematics will not be equalled for the next 500 years. 1098037;1428809090;asciilifeform;(yes, pulled number from my prophetic sphincter.) 1098038;1428809102;asciilifeform;and it worked on precisely this 'oxide' principle. 1098039;1428809110;mircea_popescu;which is why despising mit as a group is so important : people who despise their inept professors may survive them even when forced by events to work there. 1098040;1428809138;*;asciilifeform can only with great difficulty picture anyone 'forced' to partake of mit, but allows for the sake of argument. 1098041;1428809139;mircea_popescu;similarly, but in the other direction, abject slaves that nevertheless unwholesomely despise their superior masters remain abject irrespective of time spent in slavery thereof. 1098042;1428809174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so don't have children. problem solved. 1098043;1428809193;*;asciilifeform thinks it will be a hilarious cosmic joke if the sharashka he is worked to death in happens to be built at mit. 1098044;1428809216;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which problem 1098045;1428809229;mircea_popescu;seems only fare. i mean fire. i mean pharoh. 1098046;1428809233;mircea_popescu;fair, whatever. 1098047;1428809241;mircea_popescu;the children problem. ten lines up. 1098048;1428809253;asciilifeform;aha that one. 1098049;1428809328;asciilifeform;i would observe that everyone presently in good favour of usg by virtue of their 'passport data' - skin, gonads, etc. - runs the risk of ending up weimar-jewed 1098050;1428809336;asciilifeform;if events take a sudden turn. 1098051;1428809346;mircea_popescu;ironically, the jewish situation... oh gawd. at the time of the holocaust, the hasidim were arguably the most advanced troop in the world. certainly > 90% of jewry by cultural and intellectual weight, if 50% or so by mass. for all the squalor of the old manhattan, which is what eastern europe was, the place rocked. 1098052;1428809361;mircea_popescu;then the nazis wiped them, modern jewry is in this situation where someone cut the flower, kept the stalk in a vase. 1098053;1428809373;mircea_popescu;not only very very sad as it decays... but also mindboggling. 1098054;1428809401;asciilifeform;is the last yidish newspaper in brooklyn out of print yet? 1098055;1428809416;mircea_popescu;either a decade ago or a decade hence, but yeah. 1098056;1428809424;*;asciilifeform was last there in '01, shortly pre-bigboom, and it was in business 1098057;1428809456;asciilifeform;mainly shipped to old folks' homes though 1098058;1428809473;mircea_popescu;yeah, but in 2001 you could not find a better newspaper in new york. 1098059;1428809527;mircea_popescu;and that was 2001. long, long before the greenwaldization, long long before the pr-intern and dumb-blonde-chick-from-minessota that eventually yielded its own bastardized meta-story eventually apotheosized in that horseface dumbass... 1098060;1428809543;mircea_popescu;pretty decayed, yes, but nowhere near today's. 1098061;1428809556;asciilifeform;the seeds of all of it were not only in the ground, but long sprouted and budding leaves. 1098062;1428809569;mircea_popescu;sure, no argument. nevertheless, there was still ground. 1098063;1428809569;asciilifeform;al schwartz observed the signs in '94 up 1098064;1428809576;mircea_popescu;and on that ground that there was, nyt could not compete. 1098065;1428809652;mircea_popescu;funny that newspapers survived mad koontz but did not survive vint cerf. 1098066;1428809672;mircea_popescu;btw, was http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 here ? i forget. 1098067;1428809673;assbot;Google's Vint Cerf warns of 'digital Dark Age' - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DV78o6 ) 1098068;1428809707;asciilifeform;iirc 1098069;1428809714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116387 @ 0.00028979 = 33.7278 BTC [-] {2} 1098070;1428809752;asciilifeform;insulting to the intelligence of anyone who watched google usenet archive decay 1098071;1428809753;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097935 << it's a draft, eh. 1098072;1428809753;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other. 1098073;1428809776;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what, you think usenet was salvageable ?! 1098074;1428809779;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hybrid of oxcart and airplane, where we progressively remove pieces of the ox yoke - uninteresting to me. 1098075;1428809791;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: salvageable in the preserve-in-ice sense 1098076;1428809800;mircea_popescu;ok, one at a time. 1098077;1428809803;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am at this point convinced that google killed it deliberately. 1098078;1428809807;whaack;to end the discussion of mit O, "MIT Technology Review" http://www.technologyreview.com/view/524666/bitcoin-lacks-the-properties-of-a-real-currency/ 1098079;1428809808;assbot;Bitcoin Lacks the Properties of a Real Currency | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1DV7kDG ) 1098080;1428809811;mircea_popescu;the guy's draft : nothing has been construted. let him draw. 1098081;1428809822;asciilifeform;the folks who were making fools of themselves on usenet now want to be usg brass 1098082;1428809832;asciilifeform;so it was time to desaparecer the spew. 1098083;1428809850;mircea_popescu;the usenet : you can not "preserve in ice". this requires two naive presupositions : one that the text is self contained, the other that the text is fixed. neither is true. 1098084;1428809876;mircea_popescu;much like any living organism, the text can only be interpreted in its environment (here - the people who wrote it), and only as a functional, living thing. 1098085;1428809879;mircea_popescu;otherwise... 1098086;1428809888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fact is, there was a pretty useful and fairly complete snapshot in the ice. and now i look in the cryostat and find rotting gibblets and alive with flies. 1098087;1428809896;asciilifeform;there were no flies before. 1098088;1428809900;mircea_popescu;this is true of the lenin mausoleum as well. 1098089;1428809900;asciilifeform;and -considerably- more flesh 1098090;1428809908;mircea_popescu;it is a property of the ice. 1098091;1428809912;asciilifeform;and the process was -not- continuous, as in lenin's case. 1098092;1428809922;mircea_popescu;the perceptible part was not. 1098093;1428809922;asciilifeform;the thing stopped being searchable roughly two years ago. 1098094;1428809932;mircea_popescu;again - the supposition that the entire text is given in itself is naive. 1098095;1428809941;mircea_popescu;just as much a part of it is invisible, and that invisibly decayed. 1098096;1428809948;asciilifeform;i have copies of several groups day-by-day of own making. 1098097;1428809957;asciilifeform;google's snapshot was 99+%, for them. 1098098;1428809960;mircea_popescu;they only exist because you saved the unsaveable as well, 1098099;1428809962;mircea_popescu;if unintentionally. 1098100;1428809971;asciilifeform;unsaveable lol 1098101;1428809975;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1098102;1428809995;mircea_popescu;think in variety speak terms. for it's what it is. 1098103;1428810009;asciilifeform;if what mircea_popescu is alluding to is that the design of usenet allowed for the possibility of 'parallel universes' where folks carry on a conversation that never reached my server - then yes. 1098104;1428810011;asciilifeform;it is true. 1098105;1428810017;mircea_popescu;not in the slightest. 1098106;1428810039;mircea_popescu;what i am saying is that preconceived notions must be shared, for the text to be readable. these preconceptions melted. 1098107;1428810066;asciilifeform;'xxxx is not yet dead, while we still live' (TM) 1098108;1428810074;mircea_popescu;careful with that "we". 1098109;1428810078;mircea_popescu;it does not mean what it appears to mean. 1098110;1428810079;asciilifeform;well, just me. 1098111;1428810084;mircea_popescu;well, so there you have it. 1098112;1428810092;mircea_popescu;everyone that can read it may keep a copy, and no one else. 1098113;1428810095;mircea_popescu;however they may try. 1098114;1428810106;mircea_popescu;and by "can read it" i mean, of course, "could have written it" 1098115;1428810145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's suppose. then, when precisely did the flame go out ? 1098116;1428810171;mircea_popescu;probably dotcom bust rattled enough of the people that they wanted to forget. 1098117;1428810180;asciilifeform;i mean, i grasp that mircea_popescu is referring to cultural death. 1098118;1428810185;mircea_popescu;it may be that they wanted to forget for the reason you suspect, but i do not think so. 1098119;1428810195;mircea_popescu;rarely do people wish to forget for a purpose. it's almost always for a cause 1098120;1428810206;mircea_popescu;and that cause almost always is, "i can not believe how stupid i've been" 1098121;1428810224;asciilifeform;the 'digital vellum' think is maddening precisely because of the idiot scholasticism implied 1098122;1428810230;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1098123;1428810241;mircea_popescu;he's going to freeze the text AND THE OS dontcha know. 1098124;1428810244;asciilifeform;sorta like the monks who copied geometric tracts without any comprehension at all, or any regard for the actual content 1098125;1428810250;asciilifeform;but only the pretty pictures, perverted to taste 1098126;1428810260;mircea_popescu;tyvm. meanwhile, i can't fucking remember where the tread on X is. so what do i do ? i ask here. and someone remembers and links. 1098127;1428810262;mircea_popescu;freeze that. 1098128;1428810263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180400 @ 0.00028431 = 51.2895 BTC [-] {3} 1098129;1428810332;asciilifeform;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32270655 1098130;1428810333;assbot;Capitol Hill locked down as gunman shoots himself - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBn6Cu ) 1098131;1428810334;asciilifeform;mega-l0l 1098132;1428810342;mircea_popescu;the problem with ascii being like naughty bits is merely a reflection of the much larger problem : everything about a text is like that. by itself. 1098133;1428810364;asciilifeform;i walked right by, saw no more than the usual amount of stormtroopers. 1098134;1428810366;mircea_popescu;introducing the gossipd style of comms changes nothing at all, merely makes this divide palpable, like that famous japanese butcher's following of the lines already there. 1098135;1428810380;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the same string from different hands is different, irreducibly. 1098136;1428810388;mircea_popescu;links right into why one can't have "ideas" and all that. 1098137;1428810440;mircea_popescu;incidentally, why do they not say "gunmanorwoman" ? 1098138;1428810466;asciilifeform;l0l guess. 1098139;1428810476;mircea_popescu;"Confirmed: self-inflicted gunshot by neutralized subject," Capital Police spokeswoman Kimberly Schneider said in a statement. 1098140;1428810478;mircea_popescu;uh... 1098141;1428810483;mircea_popescu;this language... 1098142;1428810530;asciilifeform;my mental image was inevitably a hog-tied fella, extracting a little pistol from his arse houdini-style, to end it all and avoid the torture chambers. 1098143;1428810571;mircea_popescu;i thought houdini couldn't get it up. 1098144;1428810644;*;asciilifeform not familiar with this detail. 1098145;1428810649;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097958 << arbalest. 1098146;1428810649;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 02:47:09; asciilifeform: how to take out sentry in any way that doesn't count as 'hand' ? 1098147;1428810719;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or these well-known items, http://world.guns.ru/ammunition/russian-special-cartridges-r.html 1098148;1428810719;assbot;Современное стрелковое оружие мира - Специальные Российские патроны ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBnHEg ) 1098149;1428810725;asciilifeform;^ produced even today. 1098150;1428810741;mircea_popescu;for the obvious reason. bette than a knife 1098151;1428810756;mircea_popescu;in fact, most sentires do not even realise they've been shot at if you miss before you reload. 1098152;1428810783;asciilifeform;subsonic, aha. 1098153;1428810814;mircea_popescu;and anyone (tm) should be able to sever a cervical spine at twenty paces. 1098154;1428810838;asciilifeform;http://www.megasword.ru/index.php?pg=815 << original, afaik, example of the principle. 1098155;1428810839;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DV8Cij ) 1098156;1428810956;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097977 << stanford is the patriotic one. 1098157;1428810956;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 02:52:11; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've not your experience nor your eloquence on the topic of MIT, but I do know they waste oodles of money via usg 'science', supply the meatrobots responsible for breaking everything, and glorify the breaking of everything under the auspices of 'patriotism'. 1098158;1428810958;asciilifeform;in gurevich's system, there was no iron piston, as in the later 'СП'. instead, there was a small quantity of... water. 1098159;1428810964;mircea_popescu;mit is the "for the economy" one. 1098160;1428811001;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually mit subdivision 'lincoln labs' - and several smaller orgs - serve top tier .mil and intelligence contractors. 1098161;1428811012;mircea_popescu;also for the economy. 1098162;1428811026;asciilifeform;what then happens in the 'patriotic' zoo ? 1098163;1428811042;mircea_popescu;mmm... obama. 1098164;1428811087;mircea_popescu;see, they're all selling the same snake oil, but! harvard is "for humanity', stanford is "patriotism", mit is "for the economy", the chicks one whatever it's called is "for the arts" etc. 1098165;1428811295;mircea_popescu;and speaking of the muppet in chief : anyone ever recall that embarassment when he was calling himself a "professor of constitution" while having been a lecturer, so eventually chicago came out with "he was REGARDED as a professor" ? 1098166;1428811303;mircea_popescu;uniquely kim-il-nigger moment. 1098167;1428811351;asciilifeform;9 of 10 street schmucks will say he was professor. 1098168;1428811357;asciilifeform;because 'grey lady' said. 1098169;1428811364;asciilifeform;and this kind of thing is not retractable. 1098170;1428811373;mircea_popescu;yes, sure. fuck them, who cares what the cattle "thinks". 1098171;1428811377;mircea_popescu;but the point is... lemme find it. 1098172;1428811411;mircea_popescu;http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media 1098173;1428811414;assbot;Media Inquiries | University of Chicago Law School ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBoKUI ) 1098174;1428811417;mircea_popescu;"From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is d 1098175;1428811417;mircea_popescu;istinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined." 1098176;1428811420;asciilifeform;mr mold found (and then retracted, somehow) some fairly convincing evidence that mr o never actually attended classes, as student 1098177;1428811421;asciilifeform;no one cares. 1098178;1428811432;mircea_popescu;see... that random schmuck doesn't know which side his nose is blown is one thing. 1098179;1428811451;mircea_popescu;when the necks are [self]squeezed to the point a supposed "law school" publishes that tripe it is ANOTHER thing. 1098180;1428811468;mircea_popescu;i prefer to refer to that other thing as kim-il-nigger. seems adequate. 1098181;1428811523;mircea_popescu;"he is what he might have been had he been it". how about that ? insanity rampant. 1098182;1428811526;asciilifeform;aha. the question of whether elena actually thought that being a chemist is being what she was, and mr o - professor of law, i will leave to the shrinks 1098183;1428811554;mircea_popescu;i suspect the old woman was the sane of the two. 1098184;1428811558;asciilifeform;(al schwartz, incidentally, was quite fascinated with elena c. and her 'chemistry' in much the same way i am) 1098185;1428811568;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine why ? 1098186;1428811572;asciilifeform;i imagine he found it uniquely galling 1098187;1428811576;mircea_popescu;i suppose neither of you ever kept whores ? 1098188;1428811583;asciilifeform;no idea what he kept 1098189;1428811587;asciilifeform;i've none 1098190;1428811616;mircea_popescu;it's a very simple thing : whores are, in point of fact, for the fact of having been whores, superior to "mere women", ie, the usual vanilla nitwit. this is a fact, incontrovertible as the fact that the sun is glowier than the moon. 1098191;1428811627;mircea_popescu;however, the nitwits are a) abundant and b) firmly convinced of the contrary. 1098192;1428811648;mircea_popescu;thus whore always finds herself in the position where the cheapest avenue is to ask master for a hammer to shut the dumbasses up. 1098193;1428811652;mircea_popescu;she always receives. 1098194;1428811655;mircea_popescu;as she always should. 1098195;1428811667;mircea_popescu;elena is in no way different from evita, on this score. 1098196;1428811674;*;asciilifeform wonders if 'whore' means the customary thing, to mircea_popescu, or if it is a mistranslation of something 1098197;1428811693;mircea_popescu;whore is a woman who has sex like a man. 1098198;1428811709;asciilifeform;i am told that there are men who have sex for pay 1098199;1428811714;asciilifeform;but never met alive. 1098200;1428811731;mircea_popescu;eh, that's a corner case. most men don't need to be paid to fuck. 1098201;1428811747;mircea_popescu;heck, you can just throw some printed sheets out of a car going "gangbang at X address" and you'll get a queue 1098202;1428811756;mircea_popescu;or at least could a while back. mebbe world's changed, who knows. 1098203;1428811802;mircea_popescu;anyway, it is at best naive to imagine whore is whore "because the money". not so. whore does not give a shit, at which point might as well be paid. because - queue. has to be sorted somehow. 1098204;1428811850;asciilifeform;so, much as 'software' to naggum et al means something quite other than what it means to the schmuck who goes to the 'computer shop' to buy antivirus etc.; 1098205;1428811861;asciilifeform;'whore' means very other thing to mircea_popescu than to the folks back on planet 3 1098206;1428811869;mircea_popescu;what'd be the difference ? 1098207;1428811871;asciilifeform;when i land on mars i would like to meet these ! 1098208;1428811929;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where i live, at least to the 'street computer shop' level of apprehension, a whore is an abject and usually physically revolting creature who fellates what may well be gorillas for a hit of 'crack' 1098209;1428811942;mircea_popescu;well... that'd be a crack whore. 1098210;1428811958;decimation;re: obaama < he has an actual history, some one knows it 1098211;1428811959;mircea_popescu;yeah, i suppose if by "programmer" you meant "web programmer"... 1098212;1428811965;asciilifeform;the other whore, is a college gurl who occasionally 'dates' old man in exchange for tuition money. 1098213;1428811977;mircea_popescu;that's usually the amateur. 1098214;1428811987;mircea_popescu;in this sense, i'm a coder because i ocasionally edit html o.O 1098215;1428812005;asciilifeform;everything else re: whores may as well be at nsa in the vaults, as far as my incomplete education is concerned. 1098216;1428812006;mircea_popescu;and you will notice that even as an amateur - she ALSO charges for queing, ie, after the fact. 1098217;1428812011;mircea_popescu;she fucks old men because she fucks old men. 1098218;1428812027;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the normal rationale is 'we rob banks because that's where the money is' 1098219;1428812028;mircea_popescu;once she does that, might as well pick a good one. 1098220;1428812035;asciilifeform;when she runs into young man with money - goes there. 1098221;1428812047;mircea_popescu;not so. 1098222;1428812054;mircea_popescu;generally can not stand young man, irrespective of money. 1098223;1428812069;asciilifeform;'young' being 10 yrs. her senior, rather than 35. 1098224;1428812070;mircea_popescu;"fucking idiots - the lot of them". exact quote. heard xn 1098225;1428812082;mircea_popescu;ah. no young being her age. anyway. 1098226;1428812090;asciilifeform;^ this - yes. 1098227;1428812104;asciilifeform;even i knew this. 1098228;1428812126;mircea_popescu;one thing i don't think anyone can blame the whorish co-ed for, not getting involved with the bros. 1098229;1428812127;decimation;bill ayers knows but is not talking 1098230;1428812146;asciilifeform;decimation: i saw ayers alive once - public talk. it was quite an experience. 1098231;1428812151;mircea_popescu;or with the - horror of horrors - sensitive, lonely, loving geek. 1098232;1428812164;asciilifeform;or with goats, sheep 1098233;1428812215;mircea_popescu; "Calling Bill Ayers a school reformer is a bit like calling Joseph Stalin an agricultural reformer." << that ayers ? 1098234;1428812225;asciilifeform;that one. 1098235;1428812247;mircea_popescu;you know he was at ows ? 1098236;1428812249;decimation;aye 1098237;1428812260;asciilifeform;he was in quite a few places. 1098238;1428812261;mircea_popescu;most nobody knew who he was. so fucking funny this shit, whenever something happened, the us "public intellectual" has to show up 1098239;1428812272;mircea_popescu;it's funnier (to me) than the old soviet confusion. 1098240;1428812282;decimation;he supposedly wrote obamas book 1098241;1428812298;mircea_popescu;the one on polymers ? 1098242;1428812302;*;asciilifeform always feels temptation to snip a letter, 'pubic intellectual' 1098243;1428812302;mircea_popescu;wait, wrong whore. 1098244;1428812305;mircea_popescu;what was it on ? 1098245;1428812312;asciilifeform;l0l 1098246;1428812316;decimation;'dreams of my father' 1098247;1428812325;mircea_popescu;obama didn't know his father ? 1098248;1428812355;asciilifeform;overwhelming evidence that he did not. 1098249;1428812387;mircea_popescu;color me a shade of surprised. 1098250;1428812403;mircea_popescu;hm... i guess in the context "color me" is a faux pas ? 1098251;1428812642;asciilifeform;http://one-evil.org/content/symbols_gold.html << entirely unrelated but mega-l0l for connoisseurs of crackpottery (psychoceramics!) 1098252;1428812642;assbot;One Evil: Gold ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoYbSz ) 1098253;1428812803;decimation;as I recall moldbug once linked to some pretty convincing evidence re:ayers wrote obama's autobiography 1098254;1428812869;asciilifeform;decimation: aha. shortly after this i wondered wtf even to care. 1098255;1428812929;decimation;"In To Teach, Ayers recounts the story of an ambitious teacher who takes her students out to the streets of New York to learn about its culture and history. These students ask to see the nearby Hudson River. When they get to the river's edge, one student says, " Look, the river is flowing up." A second student says, "No, it has to flow south-down." Upon further research, the teacher discovers "that the Hudson River is a tidal river, 1098256;1428812931;decimation;that it flows both north and south, and they had visited the exact spot where the tide stops its northward push." " 1098257;1428812939;decimation;"In Dreams, written two years later, Obama takes an unlikely detour to the exact spot on the parallel East River where the north-flowing tide meets the south-flowing river. There, improbably, a young black boy approaches this strange man and asks, "You know why sometimes the river runs that way and then sometimes it goes this way?" Obama tells the boy it "had to do with the tides." " 1098258;1428812944;decimation;http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/who_wrote_dreams_and_why_it_ma_1.html 1098259;1428812945;assbot;Articles: Who Wrote Dreams and Why It Matters ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBryBb ) 1098260;1428812994;asciilifeform;when the idea of ghostwriting is even thinkable, we know we're dealing with a class of muppets. 1098261;1428813023;asciilifeform;which muppet wrote what - is approximately as interesting, imho, as which nigerian spammer penned which particular spam template. 1098262;1428813025;decimation;asciilifeform: it seems the idea of 'not ghostwriting' is unthinkable with modern political types 1098263;1428813044;asciilifeform;these people do not even -have- identities 1098264;1428813070;decimation;I find it fascinating that a human can be invented from whole cloth, and then inserted into the political ladder 1098265;1428813106;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform imagine reading a book ghostwritten for me. 1098266;1428813111;asciilifeform;l0l 1098267;1428813114;mircea_popescu;"wrote for mp by xxx" 1098268;1428813125;mircea_popescu;i think i'd read it lol. 1098269;1428813151;asciilifeform;decimation: pelevin had an sf story about a team of folks who create politicians, 'public intellectuals', 'most wanted terrorists', etc. from whole cloth for mankind. 1098270;1428813158;asciilifeform;complete with 3d films 1098271;1428813164;mircea_popescu;the latter is the fbi neh 1098272;1428813175;asciilifeform;it was turned into a very passable film, 'generation p' 1098273;1428813184;asciilifeform;('поколение п') 1098274;1428813190;asciilifeform;mega-recommended, lulzy. 1098275;1428813198;asciilifeform;there is a set of english subs floating about. 1098276;1428813249;asciilifeform;i do not think there is a better film version of the ru 1990s that 'p'. 1098277;1428813251;asciilifeform;*than 1098278;1428813282;decimation;asciilifeform: did you ever watch 'the president's analyst''? 1098279;1428813289;asciilifeform;nope 1098280;1428813294;asciilifeform;but it is on list 1098281;1428813298;asciilifeform;i recall it was mentioned. 1098282;1428813338;decimation;it's amusing as well 1098283;1428813496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100550 @ 0.00029818 = 29.982 BTC [+] 1098284;1428813608;asciilifeform;also unrelated, the ESP8266 mentioned last night is a very interesting item. 1098285;1428813614;asciilifeform;$1 or so in quantity. 1098286;1428813640;mircea_popescu;it is isn't it 1098287;1428813649;asciilifeform;~50MHz 32-bit (oddball architecture) cpu, tcp/ip implemented in hardware, can address via spi (as in sd card) external eeprom. 1098288;1428813687;asciilifeform;if i had any reason to believe that these did not have magic-packet anal hole circuits, i'd be buying by the kilogram. 1098289;1428813715;mircea_popescu;so fuzz them! 1098290;1428813719;mircea_popescu;all scripted, yeah ? 1098291;1428813724;mircea_popescu;i recall someone telling me... 1098292;1428813730;asciilifeform;'testing can prove existence but not absence...' 1098293;1428813734;mircea_popescu;lol 1098294;1428813760;mircea_popescu;i9t's still not a bad thing to drop a paycheck into. 1098295;1428813838;asciilifeform;very much leads into the ancient dream of 'p2p relay you can superglue to undersides of parked cars and other vandalisms' 1098296;1428813856;asciilifeform;- run on thermal gradient 1098297;1428813857;mircea_popescu;yup. 1098298;1428813868;asciilifeform;for open air applications - solar+supercap 1098299;1428813869;mircea_popescu;it WOULD run on the gradient of exhaust 1098300;1428813869;asciilifeform;etc. 1098301;1428813876;asciilifeform;certainly would 1098302;1428813877;mircea_popescu;because 70mW and fast wake 1098303;1428813890;asciilifeform;when vehicle is parked, on gradient b/w ground and cooling engine. 1098304;1428813906;mircea_popescu;moreover, put a cap in it anyway. 1098305;1428813907;asciilifeform;(the wild cats in my neighbourhood run on this energy) 1098306;1428813911;mircea_popescu;lmao 1098307;1428813964;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally : best way to find out of magic packeted or not - actually deploy it as p2p relay as described. once wash dc is full of them you'll find out alright. 1098308;1428813982;asciilifeform;futher in the 'vandal' theme, i will point out that it is not difficult to build a very cheap apparatus for climbing up walls with a few dozen grams' payload, quickly. 1098309;1428813993;asciilifeform;climb up, then break tube of cyanoacrylate glue. 1098310;1428814022;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can more easily imagine a 'jobs program' where monkeys with triangulolocators climb walls and scrape by hand. 1098311;1428814043;decimation;asciilifeform: one trouble is that open wifi is not easy to find these days 1098312;1428814060;asciilifeform;i will also add that we have an even odder curiosity here. an ancient, possibly first-of-its-kind wireless net called 'ricochet' 1098313;1428814070;asciilifeform;consists of small gadgets attached to light poles 1098314;1428814084;asciilifeform;the firm went thoroughly broke, through - iirc - embezzlement - long, long ago 1098315;1428814086;asciilifeform;in late '90s 1098316;1428814090;asciilifeform;but the boxes still work! 1098317;1428814094;decimation;asciilifeform: I've seen something similar to old 'ricochet' network: wireless meter reading nodes 1098318;1428814100;asciilifeform;there are a dozen just within range of where i sit now 1098319;1428814103;asciilifeform;they answer pings 1098320;1428814113;asciilifeform;decimation: where i live meters have gsm modems. 1098321;1428814139;decimation;asciilifeform: that's one form, but some use 'mesh networking' 1098322;1428814175;asciilifeform;https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~anrew/250b/ricochet.jpg << ricochet modem 1098323;1428814178;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBtTfx ) 1098324;1428814243;asciilifeform;http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8053/8446817062_dfc4392577_o.png << the repeaters. 1098325;1428814244;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBu1M8 ) 1098326;1428814263;decimation;asciilifeform: what would be useful wrt this ESP8266 would be if one could modify the waveforms it used 1098327;1428814268;asciilifeform;the backhaul nodes which connected these things to the ordinary net, naturally died years and years ago. 1098328;1428814290;asciilifeform;decimation: aha. as it is, it is very much pegged into the traditional 2.4G band. 1098329;1428814323;asciilifeform;http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/ricochet << historical. 1098330;1428814340;decimation;it would be amusing to toy with 'ricochet' 1098331;1428814345;*;asciilifeform was, for a while anyway, the owner of a ricochet repeater which 'fell off a pole' 1098332;1428814374;asciilifeform;it had a xilinx spartan 1st ed. fpga inside. and was built like a tank. 1098333;1428814382;asciilifeform;you could easily drop it from airplane and would survive. 1098334;1428814394;asciilifeform;virtually all of the boxes in my city - still work. 1098335;1428814453;asciilifeform;and, interestingly, no one hurries to remove them. 1098336;1428814474;asciilifeform;(for one thing, it is unclear who, precisely owns them, and the contract for their emplacement - iirc - was perpetual, somehow) 1098337;1428814508;decimation;I wonder if some entity gobbled up those 'assets' and is preventing their removal 1098338;1428814519;asciilifeform;-someone- knows. 1098339;1428814530;asciilifeform;just like -someone- knows who owns that house down the street from where i sit 1098340;1428814547;decimation;asciilifeform: can't you look it up in public records? 1098341;1428814548;asciilifeform;but not the city, not the (long-gone) last inhabitant, nor.,,, 1098342;1428814562;asciilifeform;decimation: apparently not. special sticker of 'no one knows who owns' 1098343;1428814584;asciilifeform;though the last time i walked by, sticker was - gone 1098344;1428814590;asciilifeform;evidently the crown made a gift, to someone. 1098345;1428814602;asciilifeform;of this broken-title 'ownership' of pirate treasure. 1098346;1428814724;asciilifeform;phun phact: ricochet was non-exportable on account of fairly respectable crypto. 1098347;1428814740;asciilifeform;and considerably cheaper than virtually all other net access available at the time. 1098348;1428814751;asciilifeform;so it of course had to die 'because reasons.' 1098349;1428814887;decimation;as I recall, it was 'first to market' - well before mobile phone data plans were reasonably available (for non-bezzle price) 1098350;1428814953;mircea_popescu;incidentally, speaking of the little toy : i wouldn't mind putting a few coins behind a project dedicating to actually creating an array of p2p relays operated "alegally" in the manner described (glued to peoplke's cars without their knowledge). 1098351;1428814958;mircea_popescu;if anyone wishes to undertake it... 1098352;1428814964;mircea_popescu;ima put it on trilema too, once it's back up. 1098353;1428814994;mircea_popescu;this is phase 1. phase 2 is when we target all the cars ever seen parked by a nsa building. give meta-nsa something to fret about. 1098354;1428815007;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have a largely complete design for this and 5 other similar items, will confess. 1098355;1428815011;asciilifeform;for some time. 1098356;1428815038;asciilifeform;mega-issue with all publicly-accessible p2p (and inescapably low-capacity) nets is ddos. 1098357;1428815045;mircea_popescu;let them ddos. 1098358;1428815066;mircea_popescu;and feel free to publish your design on the unfairly neglected blog eh ? 1098359;1428815071;asciilifeform;not even by bureaucrats, but by the first fool who loads 'youtube' 1098360;1428815075;mircea_popescu;thermal power unit, + cap ? 1098361;1428815091;mircea_popescu;it does not HAVE TO work with http. 1098362;1428815099;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: first concept was solar, cap, and wall climber / glue. 1098363;1428815107;mircea_popescu;no. thermal, cap and glue. 1098364;1428815113;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: second was thermal 1098365;1428815137;mircea_popescu;the parasithic nature and the strict contempt of "law" it displays are essential for its success. 1098366;1428815159;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: drew this up, in some detail, in '03-04. 1098367;1428815177;asciilifeform;at one point even wrote a grant proposal (laugh) suggesting use in savage lands, etc 1098368;1428815186;mircea_popescu;well... it's what's happening. 1098369;1428815193;mircea_popescu;la serenissima is deploying it in savage lands. 1098370;1428815213;asciilifeform;spoke with al s. once re: oceanic variant 1098371;1428815214;decimation;I've thought about a small mechanical generator that could be attached to a swaying tree 1098372;1428815218;asciilifeform;(bottles, thermoclines) 1098373;1428815238;mircea_popescu;decimation a;lso interesting, for different situation 1098374;1428815285;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097986 << mit has little credit to claim there. all socialist states produce this variety exactly. 1098375;1428815285;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 02:56:07; asciilifeform: revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine 1098376;1428815295;*;asciilifeform knows 1098377;1428815335;asciilifeform;organism inescapable for the niche 1098378;1428815340;asciilifeform;like the mold that grows in public toilets 1098379;1428815347;asciilifeform;somehow - same. 1098380;1428815420;decimation;'speaking power to truth' 1098381;1428815464;mircea_popescu;http://wiki.infosyncratic.nl/ << lawl this is for you decimation 1098382;1428815465;assbot;Infosyncratic Wiki - InfosyncraticWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWjZQ ) 1098383;1428815489;mircea_popescu;http://infosyncratic.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/david-sengeh-xmas-2.jpg << you only hate her because miscegenation, i bet. 1098384;1428815490;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWnZJ ) 1098385;1428815504;asciilifeform;http://www.gotenna.com/pages/how-it-works << commercial product, claimed. but begs question, why the pNohe is needed. 1098386;1428815505;assbot; How goTenna works ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWmVD ) 1098387;1428815536;decimation;is that related to that nadya peek chick 1098388;1428815547;asciilifeform;to ricochet 1098389;1428815572;asciilifeform;(ricochet modems could connect with one another without repeater, and i briefly searched if classical 'radiomodem' is still sold by anyone) 1098390;1428815583;mircea_popescu;decimation yes. 1098391;1428815587;asciilifeform;as in, gadget that directly links two machines over simple radio 1098392;1428815656;mircea_popescu;http://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/MIT/863.08/people/nadya/week1.html < good for a chuckle. 1098393;1428815657;assbot;how to make almost anything ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWAvG ) 1098394;1428815692;mircea_popescu;"It needs to be portable, therefore battery powered." << box. 1098395;1428815694;decimation;you can listen to her being interviewed by the annoying australian here: http://www.theamphour.com/208-an-interview-with-nadya-peek-gallant-gcode-gerontology/ 1098396;1428815695;assbot;An Interview With Nadya Peek - Gallant Gcode Gerontology | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWDrt ) 1098397;1428815707;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and this creature is rich, while good men die in butugychag. 1098398;1428815715;mircea_popescu;so ? 1098399;1428815720;mircea_popescu;fairness is not on the agenda. 1098400;1428815730;asciilifeform;so. 1098401;1428815745;mircea_popescu;let good men take an axe to heir head, what. 1098402;1428815760;asciilifeform;'axe-time, sword time, ...' (tm) 1098403;1428815816;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098006 << you mean el/es/itevator. 1098404;1428815816;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 03:06:58; asciilifeform: and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator. 1098405;1428815818;decimation;yes, this seems like perfectly satisfactory course work for a phd student in engineering/'fabbing' 1098406;1428815824;mircea_popescu;also tr/br/hrain. 1098407;1428815880;mircea_popescu;decimation in the endless words of george, "you will note that i am in the smaller office!" 1098408;1428815933;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098008 << yes. 1098409;1428815933;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 03:07:18; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I love this article: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ do you keep this opinion? 1098410;1428815963;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098014 << well, i hired (and paid, upfront) two different hosts. neither has managed to provisdion server yet. 1098411;1428815963;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 03:08:43; asciilifeform: felipelalli: it was unplugged (see mircea_popescu's explanation last night) and evidently not yet rehosted. 1098412;1428815983;mircea_popescu;anyway, im sure htey'll get around to it eventually. 1098413;1428816044;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098020 << you read the bit about why lisp company failed btw ? 1098414;1428816044;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever. 1098415;1428816076;asciilifeform;which bit 1098416;1428816134;decimation;re: smaller office < note that one disadvantage that mit has is that because they are taken superficially as 'the hotness', they probably encounter very little negative feedback on obviously fucktarded behavior 1098417;1428816143;mircea_popescu;linked here today 1098418;1428816223;*;asciilifeform up to date with log, but is not certain what is being spoken of 1098419;1428816233;decimation;asciilifeform: re: gotenna < yeah I don't get why phone is needed either. why not simple 4 line lcd with 'thumb keyboard'? 1098420;1428816250;mircea_popescu;1 sec lemme dig it out 1098421;1428816250;asciilifeform;did someone link to the ancient 'symbolics, death of heterogeneous engineering' essay ? and i didn't notice 1098422;1428816270;asciilifeform;decimation: because 'reasons.' 1098423;1428816275;decimation;also, it appears to be vaporware 1098424;1428816309;asciilifeform;decimation: can't say, i did not try to buy it 1098425;1428816325;decimation;also I'm not sure that the rf band they are using is actually legal for that purpose 1098426;1428816364;asciilifeform;wasn't even able to find immediately what they claimed to use. 1098427;1428816372;asciilifeform;lost interest quickly after seeing the pNohe 1098428;1428816374;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes that one. http://www.web.mit.edu/6.933/www/Symbolics.pdf 1098429;1428816376;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymXNmK ) 1098430;1428816389;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ancient paper 1098431;1428816398;asciilifeform;not entirely wrong, either 1098432;1428816399;mircea_popescu;so is the ancient failure it discusses. 1098433;1428816406;asciilifeform;but incomplete picture. 1098434;1428816416;mircea_popescu;"(4) When I was on the front line, trying to sell Lispms, we had a major problem. I'd try to sell Lispms to friends and former associates that cost a minimum of $90K, and generally $105K out-the-door. They were typically given $120K to buy computers. This left them with a choice of purchasing 1 Symbolics machine or 3 Xerox Dolphins. They generally selected the 3 Dolphins. Our cost for the keyboard was $3,200 and our co 1098435;1428816417;mircea_popescu;st for the monitor screen was $8K (at least that was what I was told). My recollection was that the manufacturing cost of a Symbolics machine was over $40K. Hence, about one-third of the cost of a machine was the keyboard, mouse, and display. I told people within Symbolics to consider using a dumb display as the front-end (something like a Datapoint terminal). I can remember one employee telling me something like "if p 1098436;1428816417;mircea_popescu;eople can't appreciate why the machine is the way it is then they're stupid." Unfortunately, the potential buyers desired (drooled) to have them but few could afford them." 1098437;1428816421;mircea_popescu;compare and contrast with 1098438;1428816421;decimation;in order to sell such a thing legally in the us, you must explictly gain usg's permission, after suitably demonstrating that it works as claimed 1098439;1428816436;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098020 1098440;1428816436;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever. 1098441;1428816467;mircea_popescu;decimation and if you don't care to "sell it legally" what happens ? 1098442;1428816489;mircea_popescu;they gonna send some agents to confiscate imaginary bitcoin which then doesn't exist because "the agents stole it" ? 1098443;1428816490;asciilifeform;depends on whether anyone buys. 1098444;1428816504;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone directly realises what epic self decapitation the dpr was for the usg. 1098445;1428816506;decimation;mircea_popescu: fcc can and has send agents to seize your supply of device 1098446;1428816525;asciilifeform;or more elementarily, they confiscate the usd with which you are to buy rent and food. 1098447;1428816530;mircea_popescu;what agent is EVER going to wish to go work on a case where the emperor has dclared "huge value", wioth the full knowlerdge that if the value is somehoiw missing he will be imputed it anyway ? 1098448;1428816531;asciilifeform;and then go and enjoy. 1098449;1428816550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've not actyually used a bank since i'm here. 1098450;1428816563;mircea_popescu;enjoying it fine. 1098451;1428816565;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu does not need bank aboard atomic dirigible 1098452;1428816568;asciilifeform;why would he. 1098453;1428816595;mircea_popescu;you know, that dirigible is mostly an urban legend ? 1098454;1428816598;decimation;we little folk need usd to survive 1098455;1428816606;mircea_popescu;notably, i once picked up a us chick who at the time was engaged to be married. 1098456;1428816617;mircea_popescu;guy declared "golden helicopter" 1098457;1428816632;mircea_popescu;decimation cash comes in all denominations. 1098458;1428816662;decimation;http://www.mediageek.net/2006/01/micro-transmitter-manufacturer-fined-by-fcc/ 1098459;1428816665;assbot;Micro-Transmitter Manufacturer Fined by FCC - mediageek ... ( http://bit.ly/1aFeoqF ) 1098460;1428816676;asciilifeform; guy declared "golden helicopter" << i bet savages do believe that an airplane flies on account of some compact talisman contained therein 1098461;1428816678;decimation;http://www.eham.net/articles/243 1098462;1428816680;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aFesqo ) 1098463;1428816686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ikr ? 1098464;1428816695;mircea_popescu;i was pretty amused at the notion, on multiple fronts. 1098465;1428816701;asciilifeform;it isn't even strictly false - go pull out a wire 1098466;1428816706;decimation;mircea_popescu: I suspect that many usians go their whole life without touching non-usd currency 1098467;1428816712;asciilifeform;but not in the way the pygmy imagines 1098468;1428816724;mircea_popescu;decimation cmon, some euros, something. 1098469;1428816731;decimation;nope 1098470;1428816758;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu probably does not entirely apprehend the degree to which various folks in usa, myself included, are already in a sharashka. we work for scrip, every penny of which is centrally accounted for, incoming and out 1098471;1428816781;*;mircea_popescu remembers old day, after a two week "if it's tuesday, it's belgium" thing, at 4am in train station guy pouring ~kig and half of coins into a beggar's lap. 1098472;1428816787;mircea_popescu;"shit, im not sorting all these" 1098473;1428816789;decimation;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-d-chalmers/the-great-american-passpo_b_1920287.html < "The real story is that when broken down, those 25.8 million trips overseas were taken by approximately just 13.3 million American residents. And that means that in total, the real number of Americans that actually traveled (took trips) overseas in 2009 for either business or leisure, was about 15.5 million --o r just five percent of our 1098474;1428816791;assbot;The Great American Passport Myth: Why Just 3.5% Of Us Travel Overseas! | William D. Chalmers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymYsVh ) 1098475;1428816791;decimation;nation's 311 million residents!" 1098476;1428816793;mircea_popescu;> 10 different types of pennies etc 1098477;1428816825;asciilifeform;half the folks i work with, iirc, don't have - ever had - passports. 1098478;1428816835;mircea_popescu;decimation 5% each year, 100% in 4 five year plans, comrade! 1098479;1428816840;decimation;heh 1098480;1428816913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00029818 = 10.1679 BTC [+] 1098481;1428816982;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you create unaccounted revenue, what. 1098482;1428817015;asciilifeform;and spend on 100kg instead of 10kg of potato at the market ? 1098483;1428817072;asciilifeform;(leaving deliberately aside the question of how a full-time slave is to create 'unaccounted revenue' worth mentioning) 1098484;1428817076;mircea_popescu;well... trade, whatever. 1098485;1428817087;*;decimation imagines what would happen if he tried to pay for groceries with euros 1098486;1428817215;mircea_popescu;im kinda curious in a scholarly way exactly what sort of outrage would incentize teh usg to go back on its "principal home can not be seized" approach to things. 1098487;1428817223;mircea_popescu;"but he owes 547869857694579459 in FCC fines" "tough" 1098488;1428817232;mircea_popescu;"but he made a blog post laughing at us for it" "oh... ok then!" 1098489;1428817256;decimation;asciilifeform: ah, the 'gotenna' uses MURS http://www.radioworld.com/TabId/64/Default.aspx?ArticleId=271827 1098490;1428817258;assbot;Radio World: Examining the “goTenna” Communications Device ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymZaC9 ) 1098491;1428817300;mircea_popescu;"Now we can address the contention that children are innately curious. They are not in the sense used here - they are tinkerers. The commonplace observation that children have short attention spans is direct refutation of the notion that they are creative and curious in any deep sense. The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of ch 1098492;1428817300;mircea_popescu;ildlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite." 1098493;1428817302;mircea_popescu;ahh oldies... 1098494;1428817329;asciilifeform;its "principal home can not be seized" approach to things << wut?! 1098495;1428817337;decimation;yeah I don't get it 1098496;1428817338;asciilifeform;this is, afaik, a curiosity confined to certain states 1098497;1428817345;asciilifeform;(fl, a few others) 1098498;1428817348;asciilifeform;not usa at large 1098499;1428817364;mircea_popescu;ah, is it ? 1098500;1428817366;asciilifeform;iirc. 1098501;1428817370;asciilifeform;(ianal!) 1098502;1428817397;mircea_popescu;www.irs.gov/pub/irs-wd/0947036.pdf afaik 1098503;1428817440;asciilifeform;even if this, if chump cashes in his house, usg can seize 1098504;1428817447;asciilifeform;so he cannot eat his house. 1098505;1428817449;decimation;in practice, if usg wants to move you out of your house, they just freeze your accounts and bleed you with fines 1098506;1428817463;mircea_popescu;wel lsure. 1098507;1428817469;mircea_popescu;he could let someone live there, obviously. 1098508;1428817489;decimation;in some states, local inspectors must approve rental properties 1098509;1428817494;asciilifeform;the basic principle of a jail is that it is absurd to reason about 'jailer can do xxx but not yyy to the inmates.' he can always find a way to yyy. 1098510;1428817503;asciilifeform;might take a bit of finesse, but you will be yyyd. 1098511;1428817541;decimation;just like it's absurd to claim that 'in a democracy, government can do xxx but not yyy' 1098512;1428817547;asciilifeform;same idea. 1098513;1428817607;mircea_popescu;apparently it just needs to ask for permission (from a usg magistrate - improperly called a judge for the obvious reasons) 1098514;1428817669;mircea_popescu;"Article X, Section 4 of the Florida Constitution exempts homestead property from levy and execution by judgment creditors." 1098515;1428817674;mircea_popescu;seems you're right eh. 1098516;1428817679;mircea_popescu;in the constitution no less. interesting. 1098517;1428817681;mircea_popescu;!up PFate 1098518;1428817704;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i only remembered the fl tidbit because paul graham blamed it for 'lack of startup culture in fl' 1098519;1428817706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232650 @ 0.00029833 = 69.4065 BTC [+] {2} 1098520;1428817719;decimation;http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vU6cSmWP1UAJ:www.ci.azusa.ca.us/index.aspx < example "Why does the City have a Rental Inspection Program?For years the City responded to complaints from tenants, other nearby rental property owners, 1098521;1428817720;assbot;Rental Property Ordinances and Inspections What is the Rental Housing Inspection Program? The program is based on an ordinance w ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymZX5X ) 1098522;1428817721;decimation;and residents about the lack of property maintenance on many rental properties...blah blah" 1098523;1428817727;decimation;"consumers have come to expect" 1098524;1428817730;asciilifeform;(how is chump supposed to borrow $xxxxxx to fund chumpup if not by pawning house) 1098525;1428817754;mircea_popescu;heh. 1098526;1428817769;asciilifeform;this is a quaint anachronism, even 1098527;1428817775;asciilifeform;chumps had something to pawn, imagine! 1098528;1428817777;mircea_popescu;this is the libertard verbiage as to why king abolished proper title. "the drunkard nobles wanted to be able to sell!!1" 1098529;1428817781;mircea_popescu;!up dooglus_ 1098530;1428817785;decimation;"rental homes should be safe for women at night in slut wear" 1098531;1428817794;mircea_popescu;shouldn't they ?! 1098532;1428817808;decimation;gov't inspectors will find out! 1098533;1428817848;mircea_popescu;"Florida Constitution does not protect homestead property against tax liens, homeowner association mechanics liens associated with labor or materials to repair or improve the homestead property, and voluntary liens including mortgages and homeowner association liens. " 1098534;1428817849;mircea_popescu;ahem. 1098535;1428817876;decimation;lol well then what does it protect against? 1098536;1428817879;asciilifeform;what's left, l0l 1098537;1428817880;decimation;claims by local ants? 1098538;1428817913;asciilifeform;more or less, strictly bans voluntary pawning. 1098539;1428817918;asciilifeform;and nothing else. 1098540;1428817940;decimation;let freedome ring 1098541;1428817977;mircea_popescu;"and voluntary liens including mortgages" 1098542;1428817995;asciilifeform;must've been added post-pg ? 1098543;1428818001;mircea_popescu;basically it means that if old bitty runs down your new car with her beater, 1098544;1428818012;mircea_popescu;you can't get your money back by selling her house. 1098545;1428818016;asciilifeform;aha. 1098546;1428818020;asciilifeform;hard to picture what else. 1098547;1428818053;decimation;actually I heard another interesting podcast today that is related > http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2006/09/legislators_vs.html 1098548;1428818054;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1yn0BjL ) 1098549;1428818104;decimation;unfortunately no transcript. the relevant point was about how the constitution was 'reinterpreted' during the new deal years to mean that the 'equal protection under law' clause doesn't apply to actual laws 1098550;1428818124;decimation;as long as there is a 'reasonable basis' for the law (as in, usg can provide any reason whatsoever" 1098551;1428818164;mircea_popescu;all constitutions are constantly reinterpreted. see discussion about the bbs above. 1098552;1428818187;mircea_popescu;this is why a constitution is fundamentally a joke. if you have the men that you need for it to work, you don't need it. if you don't have them, it's useless anyway. 1098553;1428818192;mircea_popescu;like a marriage contract, exactly. 1098554;1428818198;decimation;yes, indeed 1098555;1428818200;asciilifeform;during and after 'new deal', american constitution and derived 'law' became approximately as interesting as the soviet constitution. 1098556;1428818214;mircea_popescu;soviet constitution was notbad.jpg 1098557;1428818220;asciilifeform;precisely 1098558;1428818221;mircea_popescu;from the pov of the hostile preditor, of course. 1098559;1428818226;asciilifeform;but for some odd reason no one reads it now. 1098560;1428818240;mircea_popescu;whether outside or in. the scribblings of the mental patient - informative. 1098561;1428818251;mircea_popescu;because nothing left to eat. 1098562;1428818256;mircea_popescu;preditors don't care about dirt. 1098563;1428818283;decimation;actually the soviet constitution is exactly an excercise in 'process determines outcomes' 1098564;1428818310;decimation;on paper, democracy blooms. in practice, party secretary is the tzar 1098565;1428818310;mircea_popescu;you read the thing ? 1098566;1428818315;decimation;I've read summaries 1098567;1428818321;mircea_popescu;hm 1098568;1428818322;*;asciilifeform recommends. 1098569;1428818340;asciilifeform;but only to serious 'psychoceramicists.' 1098570;1428818352;mircea_popescu;http://constitution.garant.ru/history/ussr-rsfsr/1977/ ? 1098571;1428818353;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yn17yo ) 1098572;1428818405;asciilifeform;that'd be brezhnev's 1098573;1428818405;decimation;the detail I recall is the vast pyramids of committees and soviets that each 'advise' the next layer 1098574;1428818410;mircea_popescu;the soviets, of course, were a federation 1098575;1428818414;asciilifeform;the mega-classic is stalin's 1098576;1428818420;asciilifeform;'36. 1098577;1428818425;mircea_popescu;much like the us. except the soviets making up the soyouz actually had more autonomy than wisconsin 1098578;1428818440;asciilifeform;considerably more, in practice. 1098579;1428818444;mircea_popescu;mhm 1098580;1428818446;*;decimation took a class on soviet politics in undergrad, but it wasn't terribly informative 1098581;1428818484;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes brejnev's. which one, the pre war ?! 1098582;1428818491;asciilifeform;aha 1098583;1428818493;mircea_popescu;there wasn't anything in between was there ? stalin didn't dare. 1098584;1428818509;asciilifeform;'36 was 'stalin's' but notably not 1098585;1428818533;asciilifeform;the muppet who penned the bulk of it (buharin) went to the meat grinder 1098586;1428818533;mircea_popescu;eh ? 1098587;1428818564;asciilifeform;whole thing was a production of the 'chrome' sov. gov. that had little relation to actual decision-making 1098588;1428818573;decimation;surely even stalin had to pretend that he was operating the structure installed by lenin and his friends on kronstadt 1098589;1428818611;asciilifeform;by and large the pretence was an elaborate and - to the amateur, scarcely-comprehensible - mega-kabuki 1098590;1428818647;asciilifeform;not entirely unlike usg. 1098591;1428818654;decimation;asciilifeform: surely the average peasant couldn't be much bothered to distinguish between comrade joe and tzar nikolai? 1098592;1428818685;asciilifeform;(where, for instance, 'laws' tens of thousands of pages long will 'pass' without any one living creature having read so much as a tenth of the text, etc) 1098593;1428818726;asciilifeform;decimation: there is a popular anecdote where stalin is said to have visited his elderly mother, who tried to comprehend what he does 'for a living' 1098594;1428818745;decimation;rob banks? 1098595;1428818749;asciilifeform;and ended up having to mumble 'something like tzar's old job' 1098596;1428818760;decimation;heh 1098597;1428818854;decimation;so who gave a fuck about whatever the local soviet declared? folks who wanted to climb the power structure? 1098598;1428818942;asciilifeform;even phrasing the question in this way - is to miss the point 1098599;1428818958;asciilifeform;what is declared, is at most masking smoke for the actual decision. 1098600;1428818966;asciilifeform;or could coincide entirely 1098601;1428818990;asciilifeform;like the blinkers of one car, standing in a long jam, can appear to synchronize with another's 1098602;1428818999;asciilifeform;but uncoupled, is the fundamental part. 1098603;1428819027;asciilifeform;the apparatus-of-state-as-distraction thing is not even specifically soviet 1098604;1428819039;asciilifeform;ru empire was governed this way, since at least peter 1 1098605;1428819052;decimation;usg is tending in that direction too 1098606;1428819071;asciilifeform;usg was pure, refined 'this' since day 1. 1098607;1428819097;asciilifeform;since gang of plantation keepers formed 'democratic' chrome on their actual decision mechanisms 1098608;1428819133;decimation;yes, but usg has been very successful at brainwashing the masses into believing its bullshit 1098609;1428819301;decimation;but I think this is failing too. how many us folk believe that throwing their sons into the us military 'intervention' wood chipper is actually helping anyone other than the power-mad staffers in washington? 1098610;1428819520;chetty;most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston 1098611;1428819603;decimation;chetty: the ones from virginia certainly kept plantations 1098612;1428820085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139800 @ 0.00029815 = 41.6814 BTC [-] 1098613;1428820125;chetty;decimation certainly, even as far north as Maryland but I don't think it was the majority 1098614;1428821915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26387 @ 0.00029864 = 7.8802 BTC [+] 1098615;1428823684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 332100 @ 0.00029903 = 99.3079 BTC [+] {2} 1098616;1428827100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.0002958 = 20.0552 BTC [-] {3} 1098617;1428827798;mircea_popescu;http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ o.O 1098618;1428827800;assbot;503 File is Temporarily Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1aFCL7R ) 1098619;1428827832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.0002998 = 16.1892 BTC [+] {2} 1098620;1428828013;mircea_popescu; most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ? 1098621;1428828475;mircea_popescu;"Harriette Halepis is a journalist by trade. Her work can be seen in Vegetarian Times, Seacoast Living, Success Magazine, Alive Magazine, and various other online and offline publications." 1098622;1428828520;mircea_popescu;journalist as opposed to indian battery chicken, i guess. "i cluck at the keyboard just like the wetbacks, but in not being a wetback i get to call myself a journalist. by trade!" 1098623;1428830272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226300 @ 0.00030005 = 67.9013 BTC [+] 1098624;1428831004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220600 @ 0.00028934 = 63.8284 BTC [-] {2} 1098625;1428832041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 276900 @ 0.00029404 = 81.4197 BTC [+] 1098626;1428832043;chetty; most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ?//founding fathers = circa 1770 1098627;1428832058;mircea_popescu;they had plantations back then 1098628;1428832098;chetty;not so much in the north, northern farms were small 1098629;1428832102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167400 @ 0.00028871 = 48.3301 BTC [-] {2} 1098630;1428832760;mircea_popescu;plimoth plantation ? 1098631;1428832969;chetty;way a village 1098632;1428833993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 306453 @ 0.00028805 = 88.2738 BTC [-] {3} 1098633;1428836616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71345 @ 0.00029279 = 20.8891 BTC [+] 1098634;1428836860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 270 @ 0.01499255 = 4.048 BTC [+] {3} 1098635;1428839361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103600 @ 0.00029279 = 30.333 BTC [+] 1098636;1428842899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 353700 @ 0.00029927 = 105.8518 BTC [+] {4} 1098637;1428843050;mats;Fun fact: Media companies (or contractors thereof) are doing vuln research on media players in order to plant bug-triggering media files on warez sites. 1098638;1428843089;mats;e.g. they have a VLC bug that causes it to use terabytes of memory 1098639;1428843204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228653 @ 0.00028797 = 65.8452 BTC [-] {2} 1098640;1428843531;mats;on Windows the common codecs formats means that 99% of users would be running a 32-bit version of both the video player and the codecs 1098641;1428843563;mats;ofc, on x64 Linux the oom killer catches it 1098642;1428844607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80147 @ 0.00028721 = 23.019 BTC [-] 1098643;1428844656;mats;and on the subject of media, four episodes of this season's Game of Thrones have been leaked 1098644;1428846620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164953 @ 0.00028623 = 47.2145 BTC [-] 1098645;1428848267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157500 @ 0.00030023 = 47.2862 BTC [+] 1098646;1428851317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80600 @ 0.00028829 = 23.2362 BTC [-] {2} 1098647;1428855282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00029653 = 16.7836 BTC [+] 1098648;1428857320;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla for you qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/24H8HKN.txt 1098649;1428857321;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAOHIh ) 1098650;1428857321;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1098651;1428857357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173000 @ 0.00029663 = 51.317 BTC [+] {2} 1098652;1428857399;pete_dushenski;;;later tell bingoboingo and yours! : http://dpaste.com/2YK4CMA.txt 1098653;1428857400;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAOODO ) 1098654;1428857400;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1098655;1428857776;pete_dushenski;"Toyota Venza volume peaked in the model’s first full year at 54,410 units. Two years later, in 2011, Venza sales slid 28%. Last year, U.S. Venza volume was barely more than half what it was in 2009." << oh hey look pete killed the venza with his cartoon drawings in 2011 1098656;1428857784;pete_dushenski;reference : http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/#footnote_10_2563 1098657;1428857786;assbot;A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAPpFo ) 1098658;1428857798;pete_dushenski;should add this to ma cv or something 1098659;1428857819;asciilifeform; not so much in the north, northern farms were small << most of the powerful northern figures were, in some way or another, connected with the slave trade or the cotton business in general 1098660;1428857858;asciilifeform;it having been the only really serious business in that part of the world, at the time. 1098661;1428858079;asciilifeform;http://hackaday.com/2015/03/18/how-to-directly-program-an-inexpensive-esp8266-wifi-module << has photograph of die 1098662;1428858082;assbot;How to Directly Program an Inexpensive ESP8266 WiFi Module | Hackaday ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAQ1Lh ) 1098663;1428859491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103800 @ 0.00029582 = 30.7061 BTC [-] 1098664;1428861278;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/x0pSHS2.gif 1098665;1428861279;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aGPZRP ) 1098666;1428861297;mircea_popescu;and in other news, jesus CHRIST has the world decayed since I last looked for a host. 1098667;1428861324;mircea_popescu;apparently nobody actually still does anything anymore. just watch tv all day or something. 1098668;1428862358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00028731 = 18.8188 BTC [-] 1098669;1428863091;jurov;kinda souds right 1098670;1428863094;jurov;*sounds 1098671;1428863098;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1098672;1428863136;jurov;i have serious doubts myself, why bother messing around at all? 1098673;1428863142;mircea_popescu;I just... never looked for a webhost since at least 2002, been using pretty much the same outfit since. 1098674;1428863170;mircea_popescu;this entire "we've been sitting on an order for 36 hours" thing is entirely novel. no idea when it came in, but it strikes me as outlandish. 1098675;1428863224;mircea_popescu;jurov i dunno dood, for money, cause it's what you do... the world was built by men who enjoyed working. 1098676;1428863280;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news, some wikipedia top keks : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaxuma_Npika 1098677;1428863281;assbot;Kaúxuma Núpika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nv8Jp2 ) 1098678;1428863292;mircea_popescu;GREAT WOMEN IN HISTOREE. a confused squaw we now deem important! 1098679;1428863303;jurov;they had to neva some other cause, perhaps believed their children appreciate it or such 1098680;1428863311;jurov;*to have 1098681;1428863405;trinque;the world's too comfortable; goes back to the thread yesterday about whether being self-taught is a thing 1098682;1428863416;trinque;subset of "being self-directed at all is a thing" 1098683;1428863437;mircea_popescu;one can only be self-directed if one's ego can stfu for long intervals. 1098684;1428863454;jurov;i kinda ran out of problem i feel the need of solving 1098685;1428863462;jurov;*problems 1098686;1428863477;jurov;not sure how it is possible 1098687;1428863484;mircea_popescu;yea ? how about webhosting ? 1098688;1428863495;jurov;not my problem 1098689;1428863521;mircea_popescu;trinque this pointedly excludes "creative people", obv. the sad story of WBs animation studio post quimby vs pre is a fine illustration there. 1098690;1428863528;mircea_popescu;jurov how do you define a problem ? just curious. 1098691;1428863536;jurov;something that bothers me 1098692;1428863580;mircea_popescu;kinda how i go about it too. 1098693;1428863587;mircea_popescu;inexplicably, i end up with unmanageably lengthy lists. 1098694;1428863588;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah, creative people, entrepreneurs. In my case I've been self-directed for the larger part of the last 5 years, but I wouldn't credit myself with having provided all the motivation to go down that route. 1098695;1428863617;trinque;other men in my family did things that still tower above my own achievements, so I have something to compare myself with 1098696;1428863664;jurov;i have noticed both mircea and alf show irreconcilable hate for certain things, maybe it's a prereq? 1098697;1428863756;jurov;i can't persist and doubt everything 1098698;1428863769;mircea_popescu;it's not even hate, to be technical. it's more like "this may not even exist". 1098699;1428864139;mircea_popescu;lol "qntsideration". nb. 1098700;1428864190;mircea_popescu;jurov meanwhile, while we've been having this conversation, there's been one of those open air concerts going on right under my window. the women can not sing. i mean... the tune is not even close, it's like zappa's "the beat goes on, and you're so wrong..." stuff. 1098701;1428864223;mircea_popescu;they're doing covers of shitty elevator music, all of it in english (or should i say their lords and masters over the faulklands ?), and they don't get the words right or even rightly apprehend what anything means. 1098702;1428864254;mircea_popescu;and people are like, squaling in delight, there's thunderous applause... "forever young" hasn't got this bad a mangling since the last tiem a drunk dude in wichita sung it at a karaoke 1098703;1428864284;mircea_popescu;very strange world. 1098704;1428864340;mircea_popescu;o wait, they're doing "we will rock you" now. 1098705;1428864364;mircea_popescu;amps should be a restricted fucking export. buncha native retards and their cargo cultishness bejeezuz. 1098706;1428864658;trinque;this morning I got a bunch of 2fa texts from circle; I wonder if they have an undiagnosed bug leaking customer info 1098707;1428864697;mircea_popescu;you being a customer ? 1098708;1428864705;trinque;one with an empty account, yeah 1098709;1428864752;mircea_popescu;maybe it's their idea of a retention strategy. 1098710;1428864760;trinque;heh, reminds me I have the account? 1098711;1428864772;trinque;it worked! reminded me to close the account 1098712;1428864884;mike_c;trinque: it's even viral. now I am reminded to close my account too. 1098713;1428864888;trinque;heh! 1098714;1428864907;mircea_popescu;lmao 1098715;1428864938;mircea_popescu;what is this "close account" stuff you folks are talking about ? 1098716;1428864962;trinque;mircea_popescu: we tell circle to mark a bit to 0 in their db, and they keep our info for all time 1098717;1428864967;mircea_popescu;it says right here in paragraph obama subsection nobody could have foreseen : fuck you, if you have an account you didn't make that account. 1098718;1428864974;trinque;lol 1098719;1428864990;trinque;speaking of him, this chatter is something I'm seeing on more accounts than just circle 1098720;1428865045;mircea_popescu;i wonder if mr "if you have a stanford you didn't go to that stanford" / "if you have a presidency your parents didn't make you in that country" / "if you had an insurance you can no longer have an insurance" even realises what his memory is going to look like 1098721;1428865093;mircea_popescu;"hi, i am obama and for a while there I was a bad meme." 1098722;1428865097;trinque;mircea_popescu: they probably give him pills to help with that 1098723;1428865124;mircea_popescu;teh old cocaine eyedrops ? perhaps. 1098724;1428865205;mircea_popescu;amusingly, after bitching above, just got email from one of the folks involved apologizing profusely. so which one of you dudes runs godmodehost ? 1098725;1428865216;mircea_popescu;admit, there's no shame to it. 1098726;1428865312;decimation;mircea_popescu: why do the 'natives' there sing low quality us pop music instead of performing their own stuff? 1098727;1428865319;decimation;for instance, latin jazz 1098728;1428865339;mircea_popescu;because aspirational idiots. 1098729;1428865344;mircea_popescu;it's a generational problem. 1098730;1428865369;mircea_popescu;the stupid have no country. 1098731;1428865400;decimation;my understanding is that latin jazz was inspired by shortwave broadcasts of us jazz 1098732;1428865402;trinque;probably as simple as "because they gorge on our shitty entertainment, like the morons everywhere" 1098733;1428865402;mircea_popescu;hence why "globalisation" is the necessary end game of a "the many matter" 1098734;1428865445;mircea_popescu;decimation i have no idea, maybe it has. if that's the case then your answer is "because THIS stupid generation is different from THAT one." 1098735;1428865464;decimation;well, at least the last generation took what they heard and remixed it to something somewhat unique 1098736;1428865475;mircea_popescu;yes. they could also spell their own name. 1098737;1428865478;decimation;heh 1098738;1428865490;jurov;decimation, imported is flashier 1098739;1428865509;mircea_popescu;in fairness, as far as pop music is concerned, not understanding what the lyrics say is a net plus. 1098740;1428865514;jurov;was happening for a very loong time in ostblok 1098741;1428865535;mircea_popescu;jurov only after the economic race was lost, mind. 1098742;1428865542;mircea_popescu;was not really happening that much in the 60s. 1098743;1428865549;decimation;jurov: many have noted that western liberalism is much more concerned with 'the other' than with themselves 1098744;1428865561;jurov;at least in czechoslovakia, it *was* 1098745;1428865585;jurov;in 1960s 1098746;1428865591;mircea_popescu;was that not just natural "look to vienna" for the kingdom of bohemia ? 1098747;1428865594;trinque;decimation: how does that square with the rampant narcissism? 1098748;1428865618;jurov;more like general setup if things, you prolly did not get radio luxembourg in ro 1098749;1428865644;decimation;trinque: easy. 'the distant other' always happens to agree with your own liberalizing views 1098750;1428865655;mircea_popescu;^ 1098751;1428865659;trinque;makes sense 1098752;1428865668;mircea_popescu;"the other" is a puny excuse for the ego to escape the superego. 1098753;1428865683;trinque;american buddhists come to mind 1098754;1428865686;mircea_popescu;hence the automatic "we" every idiot drops to the moment i get my club. 1098755;1428865704;mircea_popescu;jurov i guess that could also be it. 1098756;1428865725;decimation;jurov: surely they received it on shortwave 1098757;1428865747;decimation;but I'm not sure how many people in eastern eu countries had shortwave receivers 1098758;1428865759;mircea_popescu;lots lol. 1098759;1428865778;mircea_popescu;man's most prized possession. like kalash in pashtunland. 1098760;1428865794;jurov;yes, everyone had. and first mass available magnetophones appeared 1098761;1428866008;decimation;magnetophones? tape players? 1098762;1428866028;jurov;yes, tape reel players 1098763;1428866043;jurov;and recorders 1098764;1428866066;jurov;(same machine, you couldn't get one that could not record) 1098765;1428866115;jurov;interesting that govt did not regulate them at all, unlike photocopiers 1098766;1428866140;jurov;tape was seemingly never used for political purposes 1098767;1428866161;jurov;it bit them to ass when videotapes came, tho 1098768;1428866337;mircea_popescu;isn't this odd, think about it ? 1098769;1428866337;mircea_popescu;you had to "register" your typewriter. kids didn't have to register their magnetophone. 1098770;1428866337;mircea_popescu;does this not suggest that the ACTUAL REASON adults "had to" register their typewriters was because they wanted to have to ? 1098771;1428866337;felipelalli;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098408 << mircea_popescu nice!! Thanks! Great article, congrats. 1098772;1428866337;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 05:18:53; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098008 << yes. 1098773;1428866337;mircea_popescu;like a retarded native american would have taken it to the shaman to be exorcised ? 1098774;1428866337;decimation;mircea_popescu: yes that seems reasonable 1098775;1428866337;mircea_popescu;like the retarded native americans go through the tsa anal gefingerpoken so as to be clarified of their sins ? 1098776;1428866337;mircea_popescu;i said this before, but perhaps not as clearly : no totalitarian state oppressed the people. ever. 1098777;1428866337;mircea_popescu;the people seek certain forms, and the bureaucracy follows. 1098778;1428866337;mircea_popescu;no bureaucracy EVER did anything. it has as much agency as rain. 1098779;1428866428;trinque;mircea_popescu: always a very small number of whichever govt officials compared to the total populatio 1098780;1428866431;trinque;*n 1098781;1428866445;decimation;mircea_popescu: you see this in the us with the ambiguity usg shows toward spying in general 1098782;1428866447;mircea_popescu;no dude. hitler didn't "force germans". buncha bored women wanted it. all of it. 1098783;1428866455;mircea_popescu;they were treying to get the russians to rape them and found a way. 1098784;1428866478;decimation;'the people' desperately want to believe that there is a secretly competent branch of usg saving them from themselves 1098785;1428866505;mircea_popescu;the us population fundamentally wishes to be deeply humiliated by the entire world. it's what they're doing over there. 1098786;1428866514;mircea_popescu;why us army hasn't been allowed to win a war since the 60s at least. 1098787;1428866530;mircea_popescu;just... abjection. it's a lot more psychologically attractive than most people dare to admit. 1098788;1428866568;decimation;yes, and it's seen as noble because it embiggens 'the other' in the third whom they idolize 1098789;1428866588;trinque;perhaps that, also guilt 1098790;1428866613;mircea_popescu;guilt schmuilt. 1098791;1428866617;trinque;we are taught (though this is of course delusional) that we're supposed to be this force of GOOD (TM) in the world 1098792;1428866618;mircea_popescu;nobody feels any guilt. 1098793;1428866655;trinque;then why the drive towards abjection? 1098794;1428866713;mircea_popescu;abjection is its own reward. 1098795;1428866740;trinque;because then they're at least important enough to bother humiliating? 1098796;1428866784;mircea_popescu;not even. 1098797;1428866788;mircea_popescu;no because. 1098798;1428866941;mircea_popescu;"That Lakota men did not like to be called "heart of a woman" in council meetings is less likely to mean that women were regarded as inferior than that the warrior's role was sharply set off from the woman's role". Check it out, both the Lakota and Hassrick managed to figure it out! 1098799;1428866941;*;trinque puzzles 1098800;1428867076;trinque;so this abjection drive is a matter of female psychology? 1098801;1428867397;[]bot;Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 31.29172615 BTC. Current weight: 82,496. 1098802;1428867467;decimation;!up ascii_modem 1098803;1428867491;ascii_modem;magnetophone apolitical?! l0l no 1098804;1428867579;ascii_modem;and 1098805;1428867596;ascii_modem;not registered only because tech did not allow 1098806;1428867612;decimation;but the tech allowed registration of copiers? 1098807;1428867614;ascii_modem;them to be told apart easily, as typewrtrs 1098808;1428867621;ascii_modem;trivial 1098809;1428867831;mircea_popescu;!up beetcoin 1098810;1428867927;decimation; "Even though history does not have laws, the course of a revolution is easily foreseen, because stupidity and madness do have laws. (#2,222)" http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/11/2222.html 1098811;1428867929;assbot;Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,222 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCyLm3 ) 1098812;1428867942;mircea_popescu;aha. 1098813;1428868023;*;decimation suspects that the longer one resides in south america, the more one would come to appreciate herr colacho 1098814;1428868070;mircea_popescu;"Aun cuando la historia no tenga leyes el curso de una revolucin se prev fcilmente, porque la estupidez y la demencia s las tienen." 1098815;1428868074;mircea_popescu;dementia != madness, ftr. 1098816;1428868093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11712 @ 0.00028731 = 3.365 BTC [-] 1098817;1428868096;decimation;not in the 'crazy old men sense, no' 1098818;1428868130;decimation;;;dict demented 1098819;1428868134;gribble;wn: demented adj 1: affected with madness or insanity; "a man who had gone mad" [syn: {brainsick}, {crazy}, {demented}, {disturbed}, {mad}, {sick}, {unbalanced}, {unhinged}] 1098820;1428868141;mircea_popescu;sure, the dysfunctional us "dictionaries", really properly wikitionaries have everything equal. (demencia passion locura furia) = (insanity crazyness madness 1098821;1428868147;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, this is not how languages work. 1098822;1428868178;mircea_popescu;decimation no. demented is different from mad in that one lacks the intellect whereas the other has a malfunctioning intellect. the alzhimer patient is demented but not mad. 1098823;1428868190;mircea_popescu;the active schizophrenic is mad but not demented. 1098824;1428868203;mircea_popescu;lack of intellect is in fact predictable. 1098825;1428868213;decimation;'mens rea'? 1098826;1428868252;mircea_popescu;that's teleological in usage. but perhaps there's something long forgotten to the etymology. 1098827;1428868527;jurov;btw, is there a trilema piece about how to maintain endless lists of "things that are not to exist" without becoming mad in the process? 1098828;1428868748;mircea_popescu;well we don't know i'm not nuts, for one thing. 1098829;1428868773;mircea_popescu;but for the other, how do you maintain the list of endless things that are not letters ? 1098830;1428868875;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098693 not sure if "unmanageably lengthy" is distnct from endless 1098831;1428868875;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 18:33:07; mircea_popescu: inexplicably, i end up with unmanageably lengthy lists. 1098832;1428868877;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098658 << send a copy to ben_vulpes 1098833;1428868877;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 16:56:38; pete_dushenski: should add this to ma cv or something 1098834;1428868882;mircea_popescu;he's keeping THAT endless list :D 1098835;1428868911;mircea_popescu;jurov it is, being still (blessfully) finite. 1098836;1428868999;jurov;i did not mean to split hairs there :) so it goes like, you get upset, add it to the list while maybe breaking the keyboard or two and life goes on? 1098837;1428869007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 294360 @ 0.00028563 = 84.078 BTC [-] {3} 1098838;1428869032;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1098839;1428869039;mircea_popescu;but look at the way i read, it's illustrative. 1098840;1428869062;mircea_popescu;i couldn't finish hayek because he was stupid. think about that, hayek of all people. if hayek is stupid what chance do we have ? 1098841;1428869080;mircea_popescu;but the fact remains, i keep reading through, stupid accumulates, eventually overrurns my (short) buffer and i drop it. 1098842;1428869090;mircea_popescu;plenty of web content makes it one phrase in. 1098843;1428869108;mircea_popescu;seeing how stupidity is not self-healing, i don't even need to keep the list per se. just read another sentence later. 1098844;1428869173;jurov;i just shrug it and try to forget.. guess i need to unlearn that 1098845;1428869198;mircea_popescu;either that or perfect the skill, shrug and try to be a rock or something. 1098846;1428869211;mircea_popescu;halfway i imagine it's frustrating and ineffectual. 1098847;1428869299;jurov;it is 1098848;1428869330;mircea_popescu;"welcome, driving class. today, we learn how to accelerate the car. next week, we'll learn steering and braking." 1098849;1428869678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320150 @ 0.00028451 = 91.0859 BTC [-] {2} 1098850;1428869829;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098660 << actually, tobacco first. 1098851;1428869829;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 16:57:38; asciilifeform: it having been the only really serious business in that part of the world, at the time. 1098852;1428869831;mircea_popescu;then sugar cane 1098853;1428869834;mircea_popescu;THEN cotton. 1098854;1428869863;mircea_popescu;but the original northern colonists (south didn't exist, like oregon didn't exist during civil war) ran exactly the equivalent of the southern plantation, 1098855;1428869872;mircea_popescu;except for tobacco, and with white slaves. 1098856;1428869913;mircea_popescu;it was common practice to pick up children off the street / take the children of people living on the dole and send them over. 1098857;1428869931;mircea_popescu;regularly children as old as 12 are listed as "servants". girls, mostly. 1098858;1428869966;mircea_popescu;in fact, even the puritans, even on the mayflower, for all the pretense to contrary, shipped a total of four children that had been stolen from a gentry woman in england, against hte mother's wishes. three died the first winter there. 1098859;1428870028;mircea_popescu;the woman's husband wanted to end the fee tail on the woman's dowry estate, and did not wish to entertain her children (which she had with a guy she actually liked, about her age), and so ... had his friend teh lord of the cinque ports declare them slaves, and they got sent where slaves went in 1500. 1098860;1428870187;decimation;not to mention indentured servitude 1098861;1428870222;decimation;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3664862/The-forgotten-history-of-Britains-white-slaves.html 1098862;1428870225;assbot;The forgotten history of Britain's white slaves - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCFs7A ) 1098863;1428870239;mircea_popescu;i suppose the us owes reparations to britain. 1098864;1428870244;decimation;"Two were "Negro slaves", but the other eight were white servants, including Thomas Pearce, a 20-year-old Bristol joiner, and William Webster, a middle-aged Scottish brick-maker. Whether they were ever found remains a mystery; almost nothing is known about them but their names. But their irate master was to become very famous indeed, for the man pursuing his absconding servants was called George Washington." 1098865;1428870250;mircea_popescu;then again... they did give them a buncha shit. 1098866;1428870289;decimation;well, the colonies were a nice place to 'disappear' all kinds of crazies 1098867;1428870294;mircea_popescu;decimation the fact remains that slavery is generally productive, and in some circumstances the only practicable alternative. 1098868;1428870323;mircea_popescu;that it's badmouthed by the lazy, and that the encyclopedists pushed this angle where the late failure is presented as pars pro toto reporesentative... well. 1098869;1428870339;mircea_popescu;what if i started an encyclopedia presenting the current state of "web development" as indicative of what computing science is ? 1098870;1428870355;mircea_popescu;"even the slave masters themselves agreed slavery is a bad idea". 1098871;1428870360;decimation;heh 1098872;1428870361;mircea_popescu;duh. badly done, yes. it is. of course it is. 1098873;1428870364;mircea_popescu;so is badly done coffee. 1098874;1428870408;decimation;note that the above mentioned indentured servants volunteered, probably because of bankruptcy 1098875;1428870415;mircea_popescu;"volunteered". 1098876;1428870421;mircea_popescu;women voluntarily married at the time, too. 1098877;1428870430;decimation;hehe good point 1098878;1428870447;mircea_popescu;heck, the french conscripts of the french republicalso volunteered 1098879;1428870460;decimation;at any rate, I'm off for awhile 1098880;1428870473;mircea_popescu;the fact that the medical science of detecting imaginary maladies never got such a boost before or since notwithstanding. 1098881;1428870491;mircea_popescu;one should still wonder why would record numbers of malingerers seen in a thorouhgly voluntary force. 1098882;1428873460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53170 @ 0.00028433 = 15.1178 BTC [-] 1098883;1428873887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00028312 = 20.0166 BTC [-] 1098884;1428874790;mats;the popular retelling of american history is terribly freedomwashed 1098885;1428874819;mats;see: Daniel Day Lewis' role in Lincoln (2012) 1098886;1428874903;mats;like lincoln ever gave a shit about emancipating the negros ... rather than driving them into revolt, resistance, and generally disrupting the southern economy 1098887;1428875290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147238 @ 0.00028312 = 41.686 BTC [-] 1098888;1428876063;mircea_popescu;so it is. 1098889;1428876099;mircea_popescu;pious fraud. no history was ever told any other way, because the principal driver behind history as a human behaviour is exactly what Chillum was describing re his involvement in wikipedia. 1098890;1428876105;mircea_popescu;people by and large aspire to matter. 1098891;1428876125;mircea_popescu;what happened in an incidental 1098892;1428877701;mats;but i want to hear more about what the wikipedia admins are talking about in their private channel 1098893;1428877823;mircea_popescu;so join. 1098894;1428878338;mats; /s 1098895;1428879438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159127 @ 0.00028275 = 44.9932 BTC [-] 1098896;1428880674;jurov;!t m s.mpoe 1098897;1428880674;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00028275 / 0.00029231 / 0.00030023 (5983782 shares, 1,749.15 BTC), 7D: 0.00023945 / 0.00027914 / 0.00031364 (27602244 shares, 7,705.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00027661 / 0.00036126 (118782551 shares, 32,857.45 BTC) 1098898;1428880679;jurov;!t m s.qntr 1098899;1428880679;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00029451 / 0.00029451 / 0.00029451 (3228 shares, 0.95 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00031994 / 0.00037719 (61690 shares, 19.74 BTC) 1098900;1428880692;jurov;!t m f.mpif 1098901;1428880693;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000206 / 0.000206 / 0.000206 (10000 shares, 2.06 BTC), 7D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC) 1098902;1428880750;ben_vulpes;http://www.wsj.com/articles/can-they-be-accepted-as-a-singular-pronoun-1428686651 1098903;1428880751;assbot; Can ‘They’ Be Accepted as a Singular Pronoun? - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNijN1 ) 1098904;1428880878;jurov;nice, it includes not just trannies, but split/absent personalities, too 1098905;1428880963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00028603 = 7.5655 BTC [+] {2} 1098906;1428881058;*;Adlai discussed just this very issue over dinner with a university professor 1098907;1428881070;Adlai;and he was all... "ultimately, it's all bullshit" 1098908;1428882551;ben_vulpes;i'm just going to use it as a filter, the same way i filter against men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie. 1098909;1428883133;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.1 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.055139 BTC. Current weight: 88,379. 1098910;1428883708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116700 @ 0.00028163 = 32.8662 BTC [-] {2} 1098911;1428883769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58150 @ 0.00028091 = 16.3349 BTC [-] 1098912;1428883810;Adlai;eh 1098913;1428883821;Adlai;ben_vulpes: what kind of filter? 1098914;1428883829;*;Adlai uses "they" quite a bit 1098915;1428883846;Adlai;and /me wouldn't want to be discrimunatud against by the hypothetical ben_vulpes 1098916;1428883919;ben_vulpes;oh don't mind me i'm just being bombastic 1098917;1428883978;[]bot;Bet placed: 4.3 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 159.46184834 BTC. Current weight: 62,779. 1098918;1428883979;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.055139 BTC. Current weight: 88,373. 1098919;1428883980;Adlai;why bomb when you can fant? 1098920;1428883988;Adlai;.. or bet, lol 1098921;1428884003;Adlai;although silver's going up. you heard it here first. 1098922;1428884632;ben_vulpes;what makes you think that? 1098923;1428884737;Adlai;uh 1098924;1428884749;Adlai;no it's going down, shit. 1098925;1428884767;*;Adlai just lost 3 BTC 1098926;1428885050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209100 @ 0.00028941 = 60.5156 BTC [+] {2} 1098927;1428885295;ben_vulpes;it's not even 4:20 yet, Adlai 1098928;1428885309;Adlai;salways 420 somewhere 1098929;1428885328;*;Adlai should sleep, don't take it personally but kindly fuck off. 1098930;1428887610;BingoBoingo;!up `bittrex-richie 1098931;1428887684;BingoBoingo;!up mxtm 1098932;1428887688;mxtm;thanks 1098933;1428887693;mxtm;`bittrex-richie is impersonating bittrex-richie, by the way 1098934;1428887701;mxtm;he's the serb 1098935;1428887778;`bittrex-richie;mxtm impersonate me he is Nigger 1098936;1428887790;`bittrex-richie;mxtm 1098937;1428887797;`bittrex-richie;i'm voiced 1098938;1428887799;`bittrex-richie;LELE 1098939;1428887804;`bittrex-richie;moron 1098940;1428887808;`bittrex-richie;kill yourslef 1098941;1428887814;`bittrex-richie;fast fast pm OP 1098942;1428887820;`bittrex-richie;and lick they ass 1098943;1428887823;`bittrex-richie;HAHHAAHHAH 1098944;1428887826;`bittrex-richie;moron 1098945;1428887828;`bittrex-richie;lol 1098946;1428887834;`bittrex-richie;did you pm OP 1098947;1428887837;`bittrex-richie;mxtm 1098948;1428887849;`bittrex-richie;did you eat shit from your doge? 1098949;1428887853;mxtm;lol 1098950;1428887857;`bittrex-richie;lol 1098951;1428887859;`bittrex-richie;see 1098952;1428887873;`bittrex-richie;all i talk is true 1098953;1428887877;`bittrex-richie;agree 1098954;1428888013;williamdunne;*furiously checking logs wondering what I have missed* 1098955;1428888020;mxtm;a scammer joining 1098956;1428888039;mxtm;and then spamming and calling me slurs 1098957;1428888075;williamdunne;Is it worth downing him? 1098958;1428888083;BIoodyRoockie;nahh 1098959;1428888085;BIoodyRoockie;mxtm 1098960;1428888089;BIoodyRoockie;is idiot 1098961;1428888091;mxtm;williamdunne: yes 1098962;1428888093;mxtm;pls do 1098963;1428888101;williamdunne;!down BloodyRoockie 1098964;1428888107;BIoodyRoockie;? 1098965;1428888108;Adlai;!down BIoodyRoockie 1098966;1428888116;Adlai;!down ufnfnf 1098967;1428888122;Adlai;!down mxtm 1098968;1428888126;Adlai;get in the wot, fuckers 1098969;1428888135;Adlai;!down ufoirotffffp 1098970;1428888158;Adlai;04:22:24 mxtm | I am in the WoT :( just not assbot's 1098971;1428888178;williamdunne;I'm in Assbot's WoT, not sure why it didn't work for me 1098972;1428888193;williamdunne;Do you need to be in ring 1 to !down? 1098973;1428888252;Adlai;!down williamdunne 1098974;1428888265;Adlai;assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot): Adlai, you can't do that to williamdunne. (Trust: L1 0, L2 1) 1098975;1428888271;Adlai;there appears to be an anomaly. 1098976;1428888302;williamdunne;Interesting 1098977;1428888317;Adlai;i mean, we should have the same abilities; yet i could down them, but you couldn't. 1098978;1428888321;*;Adlai is also in L2 1098979;1428888332;Adlai;there is a problem! system be broke. 1098980;1428888365;williamdunne;Is the source available for assbot? I'll have a peek 1098981;1428888375;Adlai;not that i know. kakobrekla ? 1098982;1428888650;Adlai;;;getrust adlai williamdunne 1098983;1428888650;gribble;Error: "getrust" is not a valid command. 1098984;1428888676;Adlai;;;gettrust adlai williamdunne 1098985;1428888676;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user adlai to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=adlai&dest=williamdunne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=williamdunne | Rated since: never 1098986;1428888695;williamdunne;Its !gettrust for assbot is it not? 1098987;1428888695;Adlai;williamdunne: aha! "Currently not authenticated."? 1098988;1428888706;Adlai;!gettrust adlai williamdunne 1098989;1428888706;assbot;Trust relationship from user adlai to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/adlai/williamdunne | http://w.b-a.link/user/williamdunne 1098990;1428888828;Adlai;williamdunne: so, new blood, where are you cut from? 1098991;1428888882;williamdunne;From the UK, got into bitcoin a couple of years ago but spent the last having my education from a number of #b-a soures 1098992;1428888925;adlai;why do you feel "cut from" the UK? 1098993;1428888959;williamdunne;I don't, I just wasn't entirely sure what you were asking me so covered a couple of interpretations 1098994;1428888977;williamdunne;(One of which was where are you from) 1098995;1428889003;*;adlai distinctly recalls mentioning cuts 1098996;1428889031;adlai;which could imply any number of things, such as "at which sovereign did you hail before you realized you needed none" 1098997;1428889071;williamdunne;Yep, thats the one I was answering - I wouldn't consider the sovereignty I reside in to be a part of my identity. 1098998;1428889087;williamdunne;Nor would I expect it to be my final resting place 1098999;1428889101;adlai;how have you repaid it for what it did give you? 1099000;1428889132;ben_vulpes;adlai: how do you know it was a net gift and not theft? 1099001;1428889134;williamdunne;At this point in time, nothing 1099002;1428889140;williamdunne;And nor do I feel any obligation to 1099003;1428889171;adlai;ben_vulpes: "it has taken more from me than it gave" is a valid answer 1099004;1428889190;adlai;but not everybody would say that 1099005;1428889197;*;adlai for example has not yet fully cashed his check 1099006;1428889270;ben_vulpes;i don't think that this place could ever repay me for the cost of living here. 1099007;1428889297;williamdunne;I will presume you are in the US 1099008;1428889360;trinque;ben_vulpes: the old deeds bundle hashes are a hash of each deed comma-delimited, then hashed again all together 1099009;1428889367;*;trinque is working on that import 1099010;1428889394;trinque;that is why I didn't just import the thing blindly; it worked differently than the current iteration 1099011;1428889460;trinque;with that said, let no one ever claim that the deedbot doesn't work because they couldn't figure out how to verify these 1099012;1428889502;williamdunne;Those who have need of it should learn how to use it, instead of hoping for it to be spoonfed to them with parallax 1099013;1428889869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177100 @ 0.00028227 = 49.99 BTC [-] 1099014;1428890662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141500 @ 0.00028426 = 40.2228 BTC [+] {2} 1099015;1428891577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43450 @ 0.00028581 = 12.4184 BTC [+] 1099016;1428891648;mircea_popescu;lmao wut whas that. 1099017;1428891705;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes " men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie." << what's that ? retardaton ? tuxedo ? 1099018;1428891768;mircea_popescu;lol i put the serb/nigger in bash 1099019;1428891772;mircea_popescu;anyone still modding that ? 1099020;1428891845;mircea_popescu;lulz @adlai managing teh chan 1099021;1428891864;mircea_popescu;you know, namechanges dont provide voice yo 1099022;1428891944;mircea_popescu; I'm in Assbot's WoT, not sure why it didn't work for me << because you typed out the full name like a noob, and you have a display that fails to make the diff between capital i and lowcase l. instead of, you know, typiong the first three letters then hitting autocompletion like people who aren't noobs, and thus by noticing that Blo does nothing figure out the problem. 1099023;1428891963;adlai;!down mircea_popescu 1099024;1428891967;adlai;^^ still doesn't work 1099025;1428891967;mircea_popescu;and teh same goes to teh other nooblet. 1099026;1428891974;mircea_popescu;how the fuck would THAT work lol 1099027;1428891979;adlai;there's more to it than autocomplete! 1099028;1428891984;mircea_popescu;othereis ? 1099029;1428891987;adlai;yarly 1099030;1428892006;mircea_popescu;!down 8dl8ee 1099031;1428892011;mircea_popescu;shit that didn't werk! 1099032;1428892106;williamdunne;A tragedy unfolding before our very eyes 1099033;1428892156;adlai;maybe !up and !down should rely on blockchain consensus instead 1099034;1428892181;mircea_popescu;... 1099035;1428892202;williamdunne;Aha, I wrote a post about that the other day. So fed up of this "Decentralize all the things" meme 1099036;1428892227;adlai;you may be glad to hear that decentralization has opened a theater next to security 1099037;1428892253;williamdunne;Its extra efficient because every computer has to do the calculation, instead of just one! 1099038;1428892275;adlai;don't forget the added benefit of having everybody explicitly, voluntarily, affirm their trust in bob 1099039;1428892278;mircea_popescu; how have you repaid it for what it did give you? << atta boy :D 1099040;1428892281;mircea_popescu;now eat, eat. 1099041;1428892284;mircea_popescu;you're skin an' bones. 1099042;1428892321;adlai;that's got nothing to do with letat 1099043;1428892327;mircea_popescu; I will presume you are in the US << he's in portland. a place so infected with dumb, if you ever run into a sane woman you gotta marry her. 1099044;1428892337;mircea_popescu;adlai orly ? 1099045;1428892371;williamdunne;mircea_popescu, that seems to be a relatively common theme in many places, in fairness 1099046;1428892382;mircea_popescu;sure. and for the following good reason : 1099047;1428892428;mircea_popescu;admitting that the two ways any group of people could be organised as are strictly 1. it's only funny until someone loses an eye. then it's hysterical and b. minimize the discomfort of everyone an' love them whether they want to or not, 1099048;1428892454;mircea_popescu;which contemporary pretender to sovereignty would you say is not organised by and for the needs, interests and preoccupations of women ? 1099049;1428892472;mircea_popescu;women, of course, are relatively common in places. and so therefore... 1099050;1428892526;mircea_popescu; that is why I didn't just import the thing blindly; it worked differently than the current iteration << yeah at this point a note is called for at that
1099051;1428892564;williamdunne;Women are more common than men 1099052;1428892604;mircea_popescu;i suspect the most common gender these days is "dragon" 1099053;1428892616;williamdunne;That is dragon-kin, thank you very much 1099054;1428892626;mircea_popescu;aha. 1099055;1428892634;williamdunne;Please treat my gender with the weight it so-deserves 1099056;1428892666;adlai;because your metabolism hasn't given it enough weight already? 1099057;1428892668;mircea_popescu;i dunno how i ended up with some of these and some girlie asked me how do i "identify" and i said aliphatic. 1099058;1428892681;mircea_popescu;she had no idea what that is and i didn't think much of her 1099059;1428892686;mircea_popescu;but for different reasons altogether. 1099060;1428892701;mircea_popescu;lol adlai i gotta remember that. 1099061;1428892719;williamdunne;If you ask anyone how they identify in that context it seems you do not deserve much thought of you 1099062;1428892742;mircea_popescu;not necessarily. 1099063;1428892746;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do i know. 1099064;1428892749;mircea_popescu;!up WoIf` 1099065;1428892769;williamdunne;03:37:47 - adlai: because your metabolism hasn't given it enough weight already? 1099066;1428892769;williamdunne;http://i.imgur.com/dl09rDa.png 1099067;1428892769;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Giat ) 1099068;1428892769;williamdunne;Its hereditary shitlord 1099069;1428892783;mircea_popescu;!up mxtm 1099070;1428892786;mxtm;ohayou 1099071;1428892793;mircea_popescu;now stop derping you two and explain simply. wut ? 1099072;1428892793;mxtm;sup, all 1099073;1428892802;mxtm;oh, well WoIf` is imitating Wolf` 1099074;1428892812;mxtm;also spamming w/ hatred of me, yadda yadda 1099075;1428892817;mircea_popescu;who are you. 1099076;1428892820;mxtm;i'm mxtm 1099077;1428892827;williamdunne;How do you identify? 1099078;1428892828;mircea_popescu;!gettrust mxtm 1099079;1428892832;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/mxtm | http://w.b-a.link/user/mxtm 1099080;1428892832;mxtm;you don't really know me, but, hi 1099081;1428892839;mircea_popescu;well... that's not much. 1099082;1428892853;mxtm;damn wait what 1099083;1428892855;mxtm;i have way more than that 1099084;1428892868;williamdunne;;;gettrust mxtm 1099085;1428892868;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mxtm!mxtm@azraq.mxtm.me. Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=williamdunne&dest=mxtm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mxtm | Rated since: Tue Mar 4 14:35:10 2014 1099086;1428892884;mxtm;yeah homm unrated me and tim-tams and me trading was a WHILE ago lol 1099087;1428892885;mircea_popescu;"i am a guy who walks alone, and gets so excited if anyone mentions him that he even knows this happened". 1099088;1428892901;mircea_popescu;you got any idea how many redditards/twitterwhatevers/etc run arround spamming hatred of me ? 1099089;1428892912;mxtm;i've heard i think 1099090;1428892920;mircea_popescu;so relax, who cares. 1099091;1428892954;williamdunne;I hate to confess, but a year ago I would have done that 1099092;1428892966;mxtm;done what? 1099093;1428892972;mircea_popescu;you still do the vague that. that what. 1099094;1428892988;williamdunne;Been a redditard spewing hatred towards you (mircea) 1099095;1428893001;mircea_popescu;ah. 1099096;1428893005;mxtm;also, why does assbot have super out of date rating info on me 1099097;1428893015;williamdunne;Assbot uses a different WoT 1099098;1428893020;mircea_popescu;because the two wots split early 2015 basically. 1099099;1428893036;mxtm;oh i see, the wiki or whatever didn't mention that 1099100;1428893057;mxtm;or what i read from it 1099101;1428893102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120642 @ 0.00028915 = 34.8836 BTC [+] {2} 1099102;1428893107;mircea_popescu;i suppose we're still hoping this may be cured with info exchange at some point. 1099103;1428893124;mxtm;yeh, how do i get properly in with the assbot WoT? 1099104;1428893158;williamdunne;!register 1099105;1428893158;assbot;Nick williamdunne is already taken. 1099106;1428893169;mxtm;!register 1099107;1428893169;assbot;Nick mxtm is already taken. 1099108;1428893171;williamdunne;!register 1099109;1428893171;assbot;Nick williamdunne is already taken. 1099110;1428893188;mxtm;!register 33469F806B4FC09D4B06CB17D22859C77EF7256D 1099111;1428893188;assbot;Nick mxtm is already taken. 1099112;1428893192;mxtm;... ugh 1099113;1428893202;mircea_popescu;pm it !up 1099114;1428893209;williamdunne;Oh yeah, it has info from bitcoin-otc 1099115;1428893216;mxtm;33469F806B4FC09D4B06CB17D22859C77EF7256D, 1099116;1428893225;mxtm;sorry You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0) 1099117;1428893230;mircea_popescu;right. 1099118;1428893237;adlai;!gettrust mxtm 1099119;1428893237;assbot;Trust relationship from user adlai to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/adlai/mxtm | http://w.b-a.link/user/mxtm 1099120;1428893250;mxtm;;;gettrust adlai 1099121;1428893250;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mxtm to user adlai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mxtm&dest=adlai | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=adlai | Rated since: Sat Oct 11 10:15:58 2014 1099122;1428893337;adlai;mxtm: make sure you're talking to assbot, for this channel. gribble does authentication for #bitcoin-otc 1099123;1428893348;mxtm;yes, i was 1099124;1428893349;mxtm;i know 1099125;1428893444;mxtm;so is there no hope for me to register with assbot then 1099126;1428893451;mxtm;because my nick is "already taken" 1099127;1428893469;mircea_popescu;you don't need to register. you are registered already, and it knows this. 1099128;1428893476;mircea_popescu;you will be able to self-voice once you are in its wot. 1099129;1428893521;mxtm;on gribble or on assbot or on both 1099130;1428893523;williamdunne;Both 1099131;1428893526;adlai;since http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#1000367 this is good enough for now 1099132;1428893526;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 21:36:37; mircea_popescu: the city never sleeps 1099133;1428893528;williamdunne;Using the same GPG key 1099134;1428893533;*;adlai needs to though. 1099135;1428893549;mxtm;i am using the same gpg key 1099136;1428893554;williamdunne;yes 1099137;1428893566;williamdunne;But you aren't within two steps in trust of assbot 1099138;1428893580;williamdunne;!gettrust assbot mxtm 1099139;1428893580;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/mxtm | http://w.b-a.link/user/mxtm 1099140;1428893586;williamdunne;!gettrust assbot williamdunne 1099141;1428893587;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/williamdunne | http://w.b-a.link/user/williamdunne 1099142;1428894505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143255 @ 0.00029068 = 41.6414 BTC [+] {2} 1099143;1428894956;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/04/eff-goes-to-bat-for-podcasters-hits-homerun-against-patent-troll/ 1099144;1428896335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34845 @ 0.0002916 = 10.1608 BTC [+] 1099145;1428896470;ben_vulpes;ugh i can't tell if this is allergies or a sickness 1099146;1428896471;ben_vulpes;thanks obama 1099147;1428897426;*;asciilifeform might be bringing a small sack of esp8266's to conf-iii 1099148;1428897738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00029111 = 28.6161 BTC [-] {2} 1099149;1428898755;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: can buildroot be coerced to crap out builds of its "packages" in addition to the nixen it builds? 1099150;1428898774;ben_vulpes;seperately from, i suppose i mean 1099151;1428899324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 238946 @ 0.00029084 = 69.4951 BTC [-] 1099152;1428899810;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: they get built in their subdirs and then copied 1099153;1428899823;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what exactly did you mean by 'separate' ? 1099154;1428899862;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/stroke/ 1099155;1428899863;assbot;Stroke ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBx2rZ ) 1099156;1428899975;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: overall, 'buildroot' is scarcely more than an elaborate 'makefile'. everything you might care to know about it can be learned through reading the docs, the thing itself, and by experiment. 1099157;1428900930;ben_vulpes;'and then copied' << aha! i thought i'd read that somewhere. 1099158;1428900940;ben_vulpes;a vile beast is slowing my mental procs down i think 1099159;1428902008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 266000 @ 0.0002916 = 77.5656 BTC [+] {2} 1099160;1428902557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147346 @ 0.0002836 = 41.7873 BTC [-] {2} 1099161;1428903411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37768 @ 0.0002828 = 10.6808 BTC [-] 1099162;1428905241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 457900 @ 0.00028139 = 128.8485 BTC [-] {7} 1099163;1428907559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215900 @ 0.0002852 = 61.5747 BTC [+] {2} 1099164;1428908474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141800 @ 0.00029485 = 41.8097 BTC [+] {2} 1099165;1428911036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 246700 @ 0.00027694 = 68.3211 BTC [-] {3} 1099166;1428911280;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 520 @ 0.00451497 = 2.3478 BTC [-] {2} 1099167;1428913175;kakobrekla;http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aAr25Y2_460s.jpg 1099168;1428913175;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CAczmu ) 1099169;1428913199;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1099170;1428913214;mircea_popescu;Mr. Oyster lmao 1099171;1428913223;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in romania, 1099172;1428913228;mircea_popescu;;;google pirsul de padure 1099173;1428913229;gribble;PHON.RO - Accident mortal Filipestii de Padure - YouTube: ; SindromulGoaga.ro | Colectionez Sindromuri: ; animale salbatice din romania.ppt - Editura EDU: 1099174;1428913263;mircea_popescu;(aka glis glis, aka edible dormouse) 1099175;1428914696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127412 @ 0.00029682 = 37.8184 BTC [+] {2} 1099176;1428915672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 227150 @ 0.000297 = 67.4636 BTC [+] {2} 1099177;1428915733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87230 @ 0.00029751 = 25.9518 BTC [+] 1099178;1428918173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42350 @ 0.00028781 = 12.1888 BTC [-] 1099179;1428918835;funkenstein_;scary car crash. i had one in a dream last night too. 1099180;1428918879;funkenstein_;;;google michigan 150 car pileup 1099181;1428918879;gribble;150 Car Pile-Up on Michigan Highway I-94 - YouTube: ; Deadly 150-vehicle pileup closes I-94 in west Michigan: ; At least 1 dead, 22 injured in fiery pileup in Michigan - USA Today: (1 more message) 1099182;1428919881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40262 @ 0.00028972 = 11.6647 BTC [+] 1099183;1428920674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59850 @ 0.00028781 = 17.2254 BTC [-] 1099184;1428921040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115141 @ 0.00028972 = 33.3587 BTC [+] 1099185;1428921223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127900 @ 0.00028972 = 37.0552 BTC [+] 1099186;1428921467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00028781 = 7.2528 BTC [-] 1099187;1428922565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00028568 = 20.7118 BTC [-] 1099188;1428922931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192800 @ 0.00029159 = 56.2186 BTC [+] {2} 1099189;1428923602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174700 @ 0.00028397 = 49.6096 BTC [-] {2} 1099190;1428924578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88543 @ 0.00029755 = 26.346 BTC [+] {2} 1099191;1428924700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144400 @ 0.00028161 = 40.6645 BTC [-] {2} 1099192;1428925507;funkenstein_;offhanded comment here about lacan and alt-physics took me on a wild goose chase 1099193;1428925523;funkenstein_;and now he shows up in the latest robert foster rap news 1099194;1428925975;mircea_popescu;lol 1099195;1428925981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 429406 @ 0.00029793 = 127.9329 BTC [+] 1099196;1428925993;mircea_popescu;you hadn't heard of that feminist role-model and brilliant woman in tech irigaray before, had you. 1099197;1428926021;funkenstein_;nope 1099198;1428926054;funkenstein_;nor Jaques to be honest with you 1099199;1428926104;mircea_popescu;a well. the educative function of b-a 1099200;1428926143;funkenstein_;thanks nagual 1099201;1428926259;funkenstein_;most of lacan stuff i found seemed like fan literature 1099202;1428926267;funkenstein_;gotta get the originals i suppose 1099203;1428926361;mircea_popescu;lacan is remembered chiefly for two things. the more important was his economic superiority - he was the first talk psych to reduce the session time. he'd charge people for three minutes sort of thing. that made him more productive than his peers. 1099204;1428926375;mircea_popescu;as the expression goes, when hiring a shaman don't hire the "best", hire the cheapest 1099205;1428926388;mircea_popescu;(because they're exactly equally effective, being shamans). 1099206;1428926416;mircea_popescu;conversely : if you're going to con people, take the least time possible. you'll deliver just as much con to each victim, but make more money at it. 1099207;1428926445;mircea_popescu;the less important is his intellectual contribution - he proved conclusively that a "field" with "its own terminology" is not for this purely rhetorical reason respectable. 1099208;1428926473;mircea_popescu;in the process paving the way for the ulterior extirpation from human preoccupations of stuff like "social studies". 1099209;1428926535;mircea_popescu;generally, the more brilliant derps in any bogus field are the ones that'll finally sink it. he's chiefly the reason us pseudo-sicence of the mind went the way of pills. 1099210;1428926580;mircea_popescu;back in the 60s and 70s it was looking like muchly the other way. but today, scientology is a barely surviving holdout of those olden days of talk psych. 1099211;1428926593;funkenstein_;really? does that assume people read et en franais aussi? 1099212;1428926630;mircea_popescu;if americans didn't read french, how exactly would you imagine all the "new concepts" they publish would be made ? 1099213;1428926641;mircea_popescu;need something to shanonize, yo. "radical honesty" herp-derp. 1099214;1428926650;mircea_popescu;clever's rules or what was it. 1099215;1428926663;funkenstein_;plagiarize, plagiarize, only be sure to call it: research 1099216;1428926683;mircea_popescu;"i am the only person in this country that can sort-of grasp the meaning of long french phrases 1099217;1428926696;mircea_popescu;except for all the other people also making their living out of badly translated french maculature." 1099218;1428926713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96813 @ 0.00029889 = 28.9364 BTC [+] {3} 1099219;1428926758;funkenstein_;compare "science et vie" to "discovery .. you will see some differences 1099220;1428926771;mircea_popescu;i've never actually read either 1099221;1428926785;mircea_popescu;i much prefer cosmo. at least there's women. 1099222;1428926815;funkenstein_;lol but i don't believe you 1099223;1428926870;funkenstein_;how about, compare paris.backpage to newyork.backpage 1099224;1428926881;mircea_popescu;mm 1099225;1428926883;funkenstein_;i haven't tried that 1099226;1428926892;mircea_popescu;wassat ? 1099227;1428926926;funkenstein_;srsly? 1099228;1428927189;funkenstein_;in other news: http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-civilizations-that-mysteriously-disappeared.php 1099229;1428927190;assbot;Top 10 Civilizations That Mysteriously Disappeared - Toptenz.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1H06C7h ) 1099230;1428927275;mircea_popescu;mmmkay. 1099231;1428927325;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu have you been approached by publishers for trilemma content yet? 1099232;1428927338;mircea_popescu;myeah 1099233;1428927372;funkenstein_;good good :) 1099234;1428928690;nubbins`;funkenstein_ you could at least spell it the romanian way ;p 1099235;1428928760;nubbins`;also http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099211 vs http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099211 1099236;1428928760;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 12:03:13; funkenstein_: really? does that assume people read et en franais aussi? 1099237;1428928760;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 12:03:13; funkenstein_: really? does that assume people read et en franais aussi? 1099238;1428928771;nubbins`;wait wat 1099239;1428928798;mircea_popescu;uh 1099240;1428928800;nubbins`;log says "fran?ais" in my browser and log1 says "franais" 1099241;1428928813;nubbins`;neither says "français" 1099242;1428928816;mircea_popescu;maybe your brokser sucks ? 1099243;1428928822;nubbins`;maybe!!! 1099244;1428928834;nubbins`;hok kould i even knok tho? 1099245;1428928850;mircea_popescu;no see, brokser because it's a broken browser. 1099246;1428928853;nubbins`;oo. 1099247;1428928873;nubbins`;browen brokser ;/ 1099248;1428928884;mircea_popescu;pretty good name for a dutchman 1099249;1428928897;nubbins`;browen brokser's dutch seed bank 1099250;1428928904;nubbins`;top quality - autoflowering - feminized 1099251;1428928909;nubbins`;i like 1099252;1428928925;mircea_popescu;kid to pregnant woman, puts hand on belly. "what's in here ?" "oh, I'm going to have a little baby" 1099253;1428928943;mircea_popescu;"but do you love it ?" "of course i do!" 1099254;1428928947;mircea_popescu;"then why did you eat it ?" 1099255;1428928950;nubbins`;heh 1099256;1428928963;nubbins`;i was thinking "but you already had one! aren't you full?" 1099257;1428928982;nubbins`;cleveland in two days. i should find my passport 1099258;1428928997;nubbins`;!up Vexual 1099259;1428929019;mircea_popescu;either that or write to the canadian army general staff] 1099260;1428929034;mircea_popescu;"dear sirs, im sick of having to look for my passport. go invade cleveland already" 1099261;1428929058;nubbins`;some years ago, my father showed me this "certification booklet" that he carried as part of his job (gov marine safety inspections) 1099262;1428929074;nubbins`;it was actually comical how many more security features it had than my passport 1099263;1428929102;mircea_popescu;lol 1099264;1428929119;nubbins`;veual i thought it was for the benefit of the lazy who'd sacrifice yield for ease 1099265;1428929122;nubbins`;*vexual 1099266;1428929214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350136 @ 0.00028261 = 98.9519 BTC [-] {3} 1099267;1428929305;nubbins`;https://denarium.com/ 1099268;1428929306;assbot;Denarium Bitcoin | Affordable Physical Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjMcH1 ) 1099269;1428929322;nubbins`;^ watch an asshole use his bare hands to handle product 1099270;1428929406;Vexual;u wot? 1099271;1428929443;mircea_popescu;affordable! 1099272;1428929472;nubbins`;right? 1099273;1428929502;nubbins`;further criticism from me here: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2015/04/13#l1428929251 1099274;1428929502;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjMvBE ) 1099275;1428929509;nubbins`;tldr: they suck and the makers should end it all 1099276;1428929527;Vexual;whats at the end of nubbins albert chain? 1099277;1428929548;nubbins`;prince albert chain? you can prolly guess 1099278;1428929571;Vexual;glue to the plastic 1099279;1428929575;funkenstein_;40.2 millies is pretty cheap for a compromised privkey 1099280;1428929585;funkenstein_;thanks for correction nubbins *face palm* 1099281;1428929591;nubbins`;funkenstein_ is it cheap for a /finnish/ compromised privkey? 1099282;1428929611;nubbins`;o and hey, any time 1099283;1428929625;nubbins`;srsly tho what's fun to do in cleveland? 1099284;1428929637;funkenstein_;all caps 1099285;1428929662;mircea_popescu;who's eggwich 1099286;1428929702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143546 @ 0.00027678 = 39.7307 BTC [-] 1099287;1428929844;nubbins`;some guy 1099288;1428929863;nubbins`;wait maybe it's a chick 1099289;1428929873;nubbins`;bought some art off me at one point iirc 1099290;1428929929;mircea_popescu;you make art ?! 1099291;1428929955;Vexual;how goods the glue? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpRTsfL8wV4 1099292;1428929990;nubbins`;mircea_popescu >8( 1099293;1428930033;mircea_popescu;hehe 1099294;1428930055;Vexual;bearded cake is the biz 1099295;1428930165;Vexual;go ask hilly 1099296;1428930245;Vexual;limpiting on like a dieng fucking pigeon 1099297;1428930337;nubbins`;;;ud beard cake 1099298;1428930337;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beard+Cake | The simple combination of beard shaving, and cake baking. This term refers to the act of oneself shaving their beard into cake batter, and presenting the final ... 1099299;1428930417;nubbins`;oh wow 1099300;1428930424;nubbins`;notbad.jpg 1099301;1428930519;Vexual;oh shit 1099302;1428930784;Vexual;seriously tho, shes been in the game since honeys was wearing sassoons 1099303;1428930789;Vexual;its a good thing 1099304;1428930805;nubbins`;in the game he's shameless, even uses the codename famous amos 1099305;1428930807;nubbins`;!up Vexual 1099306;1428930829;Vexual;u rappin? 1099307;1428930869;nubbins`;;;google in the game he's shameless, even uses the codename famous amos 1099308;1428930871;gribble;MF Doom-Kookies - YouTube: ; MF DOOM – Kookies Lyrics | Genius: ; Character Aliases that Marvel and DC Have Both Used: 1099309;1428930899;nubbins`;worth listening to, purely for the number of food/sex double entendres 1099310;1428930905;nubbins`;hell, mp might even get a chuckle 1099311;1428930958;nubbins`;"sodom, they got 'em with they curls out, even got a better sales pitch than the girl scouts" 1099312;1428930974;Vexual;rooted a blackberry 1099313;1428930986;nubbins`;nb.gif 1099314;1428931037;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypdgAyzHx5Y 1099315;1428931038;assbot;Sufjan Stevens [Full Official Album] - Seven Swans - IndieMusicAddict - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUox1 ) 1099316;1428931210;Vexual;got my own server 1099317;1428931243;Vexual;double dog dare you to callme a pervert 1099318;1428931380;nubbins`;i'm tempted to call you one for owning a blackberry 1099319;1428931388;Vexual;not me, hilly 1099320;1428931398;nubbins`;oh hill-clint 1099321;1428931414;nubbins`;https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/ 1099322;1428931415;assbot; Hillary Clinton’s Empowerment | Jacobin ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUUuT ) 1099323;1428931416;funkenstein_;speaking of which, a bar joke i heard last night, whats the difference between marmalade and jam? 1099324;1428931420;Vexual;obama just made frinds with cuba too, so cigars will be ubiquitous 1099325;1428931428;nubbins`;funkenstein_ iirc marmalade is stickier 1099326;1428931464;nubbins`;wat, it also contains peels. 1099327;1428931479;funkenstein_;you can't marmalade your cock in someone's ass 1099328;1428931513;Vexual;relax, its not a tumour 1099329;1428931555;funkenstein_;unexpected obscenity = good bar joke 1099330;1428931561;funkenstein_;irc = not the place, sorry 1099331;1428931586;nubbins`;"Walmart executives have continued to look favorably on her, with Alice Walton donating the maximum amount to the “Ready for Hillary” Super PAC in 2013. Walton’s $25,000 donation was considerably higher than the average annual salary for Walmart’s hourly employees" 1099332;1428931590;Vexual;it was expected when u said it was a bar joke\ 1099333;1428931633;mircea_popescu;!up HostFat 1099334;1428931639;mircea_popescu;nubbins` uh i dun follow. 1099335;1428931642;funkenstein_;you know the one about the prisoner sentenced to death, who was told it would be one day this week but not a day he expects? 1099336;1428931644;HostFat;hi 1099337;1428931654;nubbins`;mircea_popescu it's an article in jacobin, you're not supposed to follow 1099338;1428931659;mircea_popescu;aok 1099339;1428931670;mircea_popescu;ello HostFat 1099340;1428931681;HostFat;I've nothing to say now, I was just lurking :) 1099341;1428931685;mircea_popescu;cool. 1099342;1428931706;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ yes. 1099343;1428931720;mircea_popescu;actually iirc was even discussed in the log, of all places, somewhat recently. 1099344;1428931739;funkenstein_;nice 1099345;1428931760;funkenstein_;;;google deploys hillary clinton 1099346;1428931761;gribble;U.S. Condemned For Pre-Emptive Use Of Hillary Clinton Against ...: ; How should Hillary Clinton deploy Bill in 2016? - CSMonitor.com: ; NRCC Deploys Clinton's Email Saga In Maloney (1 more message) 1099347;1428931776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 281355 @ 0.00029641 = 83.3964 BTC [+] {2} 1099348;1428931827;nubbins`;facepalm 1099349;1428931835;nubbins`;i may not actually let this guy stay the rest of the month 1099350;1428931862;*;nubbins` turned on the oven 15 minutes ago to pre-heat it; couldn't find the cookie sheet; opened the oven to find 10 burned chicken fingers inside 1099351;1428931922;nubbins`;this is almost as retarded as leaving the front door not only unlocked, but actually /not fully closed/, a total of 8 times so far /this year/ 1099352;1428931931;Vexual;get a silicone mat 1099353;1428931944;nubbins`;or a straight-razor 1099354;1428931949;Vexual;both 1099355;1428931968;Vexual;smooth balls and well loose baked goods 1099356;1428932006;mircea_popescu;you share a kitchen ? 1099357;1428932027;nubbins`;it's a one-kitchen sort of house 1099358;1428932028;Vexual;yah cant get good flatmates i tell ya 1099359;1428932040;nubbins`;Vexual i prefer parchment paper 1099360;1428932055;mircea_popescu;suppose dude has syphilis ? 1099361;1428932058;Vexual;yeah well, i clean the overn, so 1099362;1428932104;mircea_popescu;generally sharing a kitchen and sharing a woman is about the same scenario. 1099363;1428932115;Vexual;and i orefer sicicone 1099364;1428932116;nubbins`;o.O 1099365;1428932128;mircea_popescu;this never occured to you ?! 1099366;1428932132;*;nubbins` imagines MP unwrapping bar of soap, using once, putting in trash 1099367;1428932164;mircea_popescu;the bathroom is actually lower on the list than most things. 1099368;1428932172;nubbins`;like the doorknobs 1099369;1428932175;nubbins`;we share those too 1099370;1428932178;Vexual;not me, bathroom is a sanctuary 1099371;1428932190;mircea_popescu;there's a major difference between "stuff goes in" and everything else. 1099372;1428932212;mircea_popescu;women are slightly vulnerable to bad bathrooms, but slightly. you're a guy, you don't have a problem there. what are you going to catch, rabies ? 1099373;1428932233;nubbins`;what am i going to catch from a /fork/ that i'm not exposing myself to by eating at a restaurant? 1099374;1428932263;mircea_popescu;restaurants are very safe, because if they become infected it's obvious within a day and they get shut down 1099375;1428932270;nubbins`;o.O 1099376;1428932280;nubbins`;does b-a share restaurant inspection reports online? 1099377;1428932280;mircea_popescu;this also never occured to you ? 1099378;1428932296;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of online. hospitals report infections, disease control tracks them. 1099379;1428932303;mircea_popescu;you get shut down within days. 1099380;1428932310;nubbins`;o, within days. 1099381;1428932314;nubbins`;that's probably good enough. 1099382;1428932329;funkenstein_;if you are looking for exposure to local pathogens, nothing beats a nursery 1099383;1428932330;mircea_popescu;probably. 1099384;1428932335;nubbins`;after all, it's not like anyone else would use the syphilis fork in that time frame 1099385;1428932358;Vexual;someone that went in my kitchen ened up in my garden 1099386;1428932390;Vexual;it was a permanent arrangement 1099387;1428932400;funkenstein_;re: syphilis fork, is that a coin? 1099388;1428932404;nubbins`;brb but i legitimately am curious as to how you think i can catch a disease from a clean fork 1099389;1428932407;mircea_popescu;hand made. 1099390;1428932413;funkenstein_;lol 1099391;1428932424;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what i said was that the kitchen's the worst place to share with some whoever. it is. 1099392;1428932435;mircea_popescu;!up jitenm 1099393;1428932452;mircea_popescu;and that it's about on par with sharing a woman. which it also is. 1099394;1428932458;mircea_popescu;other than that... have fun neh ? 1099395;1428932636;nubbins`;no i got what you said 1099396;1428932640;nubbins`;it's just the logic doesn't follow 1099397;1428932643;nubbins`;!up Vexual 1099398;1428932649;Vexual;danke 1099399;1428932751;mircea_popescu;let's see what other logic doesn't follow. 1099400;1428932774;mircea_popescu;are you aware for instance that women are a good degree of magnitude more likely to catch something from men, than men from women ? 1099401;1428932860;Vexual;yes, its because of dicks 1099402;1428932862;nubbins`;what's included in the set of {something}? a wink? syphilis? 1099403;1428932878;Vexual;a glance 1099404;1428932987;Vexual;dick generallydont absorb stuff, theyre disigned for the opposite 1099405;1428932988;mircea_popescu;venereal disease. 1099406;1428933035;nubbins`;my flagging interest begs you to continue 1099407;1428933063;mircea_popescu;what's to continue lol. you've never bothered to think about contagion, which is excusable seeing how you're no biologist. 1099408;1428933098;nubbins`;again, how is this different from eating at a restaurant 1099409;1428933104;nubbins`;or do you pack your own chopsticks? 1099410;1428933122;Vexual;i look at the kitchen, i dont touch it 1099411;1428933161;mircea_popescu;how is sex different from eating at a restaurant ? 1099412;1428933171;Vexual;^^\ 1099413;1428933174;nubbins`;you don't cum when you're finished eating 1099414;1428933194;mircea_popescu;so then. 1099415;1428933209;nubbins`;so then nothing 1099416;1428933215;nubbins`;an ellipsis isn't an argument 1099417;1428933226;Vexual;youre in the wrong spot 1099418;1428933230;nubbins`;no kidding 1099419;1428933255;nubbins`;anyway, despite the fact that this guy works as a cook at various 4-star restaurants 1099420;1428933267;mircea_popescu;what ellipsis! 1099421;1428933272;nubbins`;his meals while at home consist entirely of take-out fish & chips and chicken fingers 1099422;1428933281;nubbins`;the ellipsis you forgot to add after your "so then" 1099423;1428933298;mircea_popescu;dude you asked me how sex is different from eating at a restaurant, and then answered yourself. 1099424;1428933313;*;nubbins` sighs 1099425;1428933314;nubbins`;sure did 1099426;1428933344;mircea_popescu;i wonder what four star means in canada 1099427;1428933348;Vexual;the similarities are endless 1099428;1428933352;mircea_popescu;afaik the most stars you can get was three. 1099429;1428933361;Vexual;thats hats 1099430;1428933363;nubbins`;haha wait i'm thinking of hotels. 1099431;1428933375;nubbins`;i think three stars *is* the most a restaurant can get 1099432;1428933405;nubbins`;anyway. the place was voted canada's best restaurant a couple years in a row 1099433;1428933424;nubbins`;and this guy leaves the front door open and chicken fingers in the oven overnight 1099434;1428933436;mircea_popescu;weird. 1099435;1428933468;Vexual;seems errone wears a hat in candia 1099436;1428933492;Vexual;rotten whale, hat 1099437;1428933595;Vexual;box jellyfish tentacles, defused with vinegar,now theres something to work with 1099438;1428933638;Vexual;aweful texture 1099439;1428933659;Vexual;like some poisin spaghetti 1099440;1428933667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122200 @ 0.00029931 = 36.5757 BTC [+] 1099441;1428933670;Vexual;invisible 1099442;1428933696;funkenstein_;http://www.academia.edu/11791336/Bitcoin_as_Politics_Distributed_Right-Wing_Extremism 1099443;1428933697;assbot;Bitcoin as Politics: Distributed Right-Wing Extremism | David Golumbia - Academia.edu ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6DUC0 ) 1099444;1428933697;Vexual;and indisible, by tooth or knife 1099445;1428933755;nubbins`;lel meanwhile in two dog land: http://imgur.com/3FOH9mj 1099446;1428933755;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6E3W7 ) 1099447;1428933789;nubbins`;plz to not those are NOT cops on horses, which you see often enough, but what appear to be private citizens 1099448;1428933844;Vexual;you dont have horses? 1099449;1428933889;Vexual;cop horse is samle like regular horse 1099450;1428933901;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in my inbox : http://dpaste.com/2ZVFFMN 1099451;1428933901;assbot;dpaste: 2ZVFFMN ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBdIy6 ) 1099452;1428933950;Vexual;thats tradeable info kids 1099453;1428933962;mircea_popescu;1. blockchain info sends out spam ? 2. with retarded "cc to undisclosed/bcc to victim" stuff ? 3. and has some "communications officer" that can't spell ? 4. and wait, wut, "tell us how many moneyz and we'll tell you numerous numbers" business model ?! 1099454;1428933986;Vexual;oh i thought it was a reply 1099455;1428934007;Vexual;show what know 1099456;1428934052;Vexual;isnt btc jam high on the.info advertisers list? 1099457;1428934078;Vexual;like 90 weeks running 1099458;1428934091;Vexual;or is that just me? 1099459;1428934364;Vexual;yes trendsetters, they're making too mcuh money too kep up that bullshit 1099460;1428934440;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI0zWIQLNMw 1099461;1428934767;nubbins`;seriously though how do you leave 8 chicken fingers in the oven? 1099462;1428934771;nubbins`;it wasn't even turned on. 1099463;1428934784;nubbins`;so the guy cooked them, turned the oven off, then... went to bed at 7am 1099464;1428934809;nubbins`;talk about coked out of your fucking head :p 1099465;1428935707;funkenstein_;some people get upset when i point out coffee is more addictive than cocaine 1099466;1428935860;funkenstein_;that sounds like more of an alcohol related move anyway 1099467;1428935888;funkenstein_;i cooked some ramen noodles once and passed out 1099468;1428935894;funkenstein_;i woke up they were gone 1099469;1428935903;funkenstein_;distribued in a few micron layer around my apartment 1099470;1428936029;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1099471;1428936044;funkenstein_;the ramen? 1099472;1428936057;funkenstein_;turned to smoke and settled evenly around the room 1099473;1428936069;funkenstein_;CVD 1099474;1428936250;mircea_popescu;mk... 1099475;1428936256;nubbins`;funkenstein_ 4 beer in the fridge, 2 empties by the garbage 1099476;1428936259;nubbins`;not drunk 1099477;1428936287;nubbins`;awake at 7am after opening the first beer at 11pm? probably coked up 1099478;1428936351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87000 @ 0.00029931 = 26.04 BTC [+] 1099479;1428936565;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099374 << if only it were so simple. 1099480;1428936565;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 13:37:43; mircea_popescu: restaurants are very safe, because if they become infected it's obvious within a day and they get shut down 1099481;1428936585;nubbins`;pete_dushenski i figured i'd leave that one for someone who wants to put in the time 1099482;1428936599;nubbins`;mp has obv never worked in a restaurant kitchen :P 1099483;1428936624;mircea_popescu;i actually ran a coupla o.O 1099484;1428936653;nubbins`;if you shut 'em down within a day of them failing inspection, you're the 1% 1099485;1428936667;pete_dushenski;given that incubation periods for common foodborne pathogens range from 1-7 days, that people have varying susceptibilities and that most people eat out somewhat frequently, it's hard to isolate the source 1099486;1428936672;nubbins`;srsly, online inspection reports. you'd be shocked 1099487;1428936678;mircea_popescu;that never happened. 1099488;1428936707;pete_dushenski;ya, it's almost impossible to be shut down on the spot 1099489;1428936715;nubbins`;how often did you resurface the cutting boards? 1099490;1428936720;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski not as hard as it was for this guy to figure out the cook leaves the door open eh ? 1099491;1428936722;pete_dushenski;you'd need dozens of sick people 1099492;1428936737;mircea_popescu;nubbins` end of day. 1099493;1428936757;nubbins`;now you're in the 0.1% :D 1099494;1428936759;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: leaves the door open and... rat comes in ? 1099495;1428936762;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it was a comparative, he keeps tring to worm it into an absolute. 1099496;1428936769;nubbins`;pete_dushenski that was a reference to my idiot roomie 1099497;1428936779;nubbins`;he has a problem with securing the domicile 1099498;1428936783;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nah, just, wood stuff was cheap. you'd go through multiple sets each year np 1099499;1428936805;nubbins`;mircea_popescu plastic/resin cutting boards are more common here 1099500;1428936818;mircea_popescu;you'd have been hanged for using plastic. 1099501;1428936828;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: daily resurfacing of cutting boards ?? 1099502;1428936833;mircea_popescu;yup. 1099503;1428936833;nubbins`;when they finally put restaurant inspection reports online for people to read, every single restaurant i've ever eaten at was given a citation for cutting boards needing resurfacing 1099504;1428936841;mircea_popescu;special machine shaved a layer 1099505;1428936859;pete_dushenski;holy sweet mother of public health 1099506;1428936864;nubbins`;pete_dushenski essentially you just plane 'em 1099507;1428936866;mircea_popescu;cheap dude. srsly. 1099508;1428936868;mircea_popescu;^ 1099509;1428936870;nubbins`;thick board'll last you a while 1099510;1428936877;mircea_popescu;bout 7-8 weeks iirc 1099511;1428936891;pete_dushenski;we need those here 1099512;1428936893;nubbins`;!up Vexual 1099513;1428936897;pete_dushenski;specially at the chinese restaurants 1099514;1428936899;mircea_popescu;fucking canada, you ran out of trees ? 1099515;1428936915;mircea_popescu;stop publish so much perish, yo! 1099516;1428936917;pete_dushenski;we're up to our gills in plastic 1099517;1428936928;mircea_popescu;plastic was very dimly regarded. 1099518;1428936933;mircea_popescu;most of the fridge pots were actually clay. 1099519;1428936934;Vexual;you resurface a throwaway peice of shit? surely u jest 1099520;1428936955;nubbins`;i also wear socks more than once 1099521;1428936975;pete_dushenski;fridge pots here are plastic or glass 1099522;1428936977;Vexual;i had a mate you got me in to spraypaint silver so it looked like staineless steel 1099523;1428936980;nubbins`;incidentally, my favourite chinese take-out was not listed in the restaurant inspection reports 1099524;1428936981;nubbins`;at all. 1099525;1428936986;mircea_popescu;glass works, but clay has this superb thermic inertia 1099526;1428936988;mircea_popescu;heavier tho 1099527;1428937000;Vexual;you didnt get a tick til id been 1099528;1428937018;nubbins`;clay does indeed 1099529;1428937031;*;nubbins` has been toying w/ getting clay pots for his kimchi fermenting 1099530;1428937033;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: so fridge shelves i guess 1099531;1428937033;mircea_popescu;the advantage is you can have it made in any shape for little effort. 1099532;1428937041;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: *stronger! 1099533;1428937054;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski its fucking steel anyway. 1099534;1428937062;mircea_popescu;dun tell me. plastic shelves ? 1099535;1428937071;pete_dushenski;lol how'd you know ? 1099536;1428937079;mircea_popescu;eh for chrissakes. 1099537;1428937082;nubbins`;also fwiw i made kimchi day before yes, ~5th batch so far, anyone who likes food and is halfway handy in the kitchen is strongly encouraged to try making some 1099538;1428937093;mircea_popescu;you know, it's a restaurant, not bottlecaps united. 1099539;1428937094;nubbins`;*yest 1099540;1428937100;Vexual;whats the recipie again? 1099541;1428937112;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it makes in two days ?! 1099542;1428937113;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: of course the walk-in fridges have metal grill shelving 1099543;1428937122;mircea_popescu;the fermented cabagge stuff i like is 5 months 1099544;1428937123;nubbins`;mircea_popescu the fermentation is *just* starting it. 1099545;1428937132;nubbins`;i won't eat this util late april at the earliest 1099546;1428937137;mircea_popescu;ahok 1099547;1428937143;nubbins`;older is better but i honestly can't wait 1099548;1428937159;nubbins`;i usually let it ferment at 20C for 4-5 days to get it going 1099549;1428937177;nubbins`;fridge after that, most of the heavy lifting's done 1099550;1428937178;mircea_popescu;nubbins` for the record, traditional (european) cooking happened around this large flat table of very thick oak 1099551;1428937192;mircea_popescu;women (the young ones) brushed it with a steel brush each evening. 1099552;1428937197;nubbins`;a 1099553;1428937209;mircea_popescu;and the pots and pans each week. 1099554;1428937220;*;pete_dushenski is still in shock over these fucking cutting board planing machines... 1099555;1428937242;nubbins`;pete_dushenski imagine my face the first time i saw a squeegee sharpening machine 1099556;1428937264;mircea_popescu;lol 1099557;1428937277;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: i can barely imagine your face the first time you bought a bitcoin 1099558;1428937293;mircea_popescu;anyway, to not peel off more than is fair : i rather distantly ran the kitchen, by virtue of ownership. it did have a chief cook and everything. 1099559;1428937308;Vexual;what kinda cuisine? 1099560;1428937316;nubbins`;pete_dushenski it looked kind of like this: baked.jpg 1099561;1428937338;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: was this before or after 'retirement' ? 1099562;1428937344;mircea_popescu;way before. 1099563;1428937353;nubbins`;mircea_popescu the vast majority of fooderies are staffed by 19-20yo's with clueless managers 1099564;1428937355;Vexual;*science* 1099565;1428937362;nubbins`;you're lucky to have 2 full time employees who know what they're at 1099566;1428937374;mircea_popescu;i was not exactly clueless and very scary. the heads were in either case male, over 40. 1099567;1428937392;mircea_popescu;the rest i dun really recall that clearly. 1099568;1428937394;Vexual;so you walked to the bank alone? 1099569;1428937394;nubbins`;you need 'em to be over 40 1099570;1428937407;nubbins`;35 at the very least 1099571;1428937413;pete_dushenski;over 40 would be unheard of here 1099572;1428937417;pete_dushenski;unless they're the owner 1099573;1428937423;nubbins`;knowing wtf you're at would be unheard of as well 1099574;1428937431;mircea_popescu;one guy wore a little chiffon thing over his moustache 1099575;1428937435;nubbins`;hahaha 1099576;1428937437;mircea_popescu;i STILL chuckle when i remember that 1099577;1428937438;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: for the same reason 1099578;1428937448;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i've seen a fair share of beard nets around 1099579;1428937449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00029931 = 29.4222 BTC [+] 1099580;1428937450;mircea_popescu;duder had a kickass moustache. hungarian. 1099581;1428937452;pete_dushenski;haha like a 'stache condom 1099582;1428937454;nubbins`;always a good chortle 1099583;1428937486;nubbins`;so bozo rolls downstairs, finds his cold chicken fingers on the counter 1099584;1428937501;pete_dushenski;doods over 40 here are working for the gov or working in the patch 1099585;1428937503;nubbins`;chuckles, throws dirty cookie sheet, in sink, smuggles food back up to bedroom 1099586;1428937513;pete_dushenski;kitchen 'isn't respectable' for a man that age 1099587;1428937523;pete_dushenski;because there are options 1099588;1428937539;mircea_popescu;meh. people who are good at it are very happy there, i've found. 1099589;1428937539;nubbins`;pete_dushenski if there's one way that north america fucked itself in the ass, it's the concept of "respectable work" 1099590;1428937544;Vexual;erry kitchen ive seen gets benefits 1099591;1428937547;mircea_popescu;i could never get a competent cook to even contemplate anything else. 1099592;1428937556;nubbins`;20 years of "if you don't study hard, you'll have to work at mcdonald's" 1099593;1428937567;mircea_popescu;tbf mcdo is not a restaurant 1099594;1428937571;nubbins`;followed by x years of "what, you're too good to work at mcdonald's?" 1099595;1428937578;nubbins`;o no, not even close to one. 1099596;1428937587;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: lol yea 1099597;1428937587;nubbins`;imagine this though 1099598;1428937592;nubbins`;the major employer of youth 1099599;1428937605;nubbins`;and the youth spend their youth being told they're a piece of shit if they work there 1099600;1428937614;mircea_popescu;this sounds exactly puritan to me. 1099601;1428937624;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: well mebbe that's what more men here need to do to be happy ? 1099602;1428937628;mircea_popescu;point of woman bits is to get pregnant. what's woman supposed to do with her bits ? 1099603;1428937631;mircea_popescu;ANYTHING BUT! 1099604;1428937633;nubbins`;you go to japan, nobody working at the mcdonald's is sullen or put out 1099605;1428937651;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski what, finding something they can be good at ? mmmmyeah... 1099606;1428937661;pete_dushenski;precisely. 1099607;1428937682;pete_dushenski;instead job is for making money 1099608;1428937690;pete_dushenski;and after-hours is for enjoyment 1099609;1428937694;nubbins`;^ so broken 1099610;1428937701;pete_dushenski;and skill isn't particularly part of the equation 1099611;1428937723;Vexual;chef is skill 1099612;1428937766;Vexual;drink wine buy resutrant, go broke repeat 1099613;1428937775;Vexual;great fun 1099614;1428937793;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i dun get the 'anything but pregnancy' thing ? 1099615;1428937799;nubbins`;speaking of jacobin magazine, i once read an essay therein which expounded upon the implicit oppression in the statement "do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life" 1099616;1428937817;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski most demographically stable and psychologically sane cultures i've ever seen welcome pregnancy in young women. 1099617;1428937821;nubbins`;pretty sure i won the disrespect of at least half a dozen people by tearing strips off that one 1099618;1428937827;mircea_popescu;except, of course, for teh english speakers. WORST DISASTER 1099619;1428937853;pete_dushenski;aha 1099620;1428937873;Vexual;teenage pregnancy is frowned upon here, but the 29 yer olds with self sufficient spawn are very happy 1099621;1428937889;nubbins`;but is that manufactured happiness? 1099622;1428937894;nubbins`;(protip: doesn't matter!) 1099623;1428937899;Vexual;nope, theyre just happy 1099624;1428937899;mircea_popescu;well it's penifactured 1099625;1428937929;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what i don't get with all the libertards is why exactly they imagine oppression is a bad thing. 1099626;1428937943;mats;i had a fun dream last night: diplomats resolving disputes with pistols and a shootout in a department store 1099627;1428937967;Vexual;2 floors down 1099628;1428937973;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: nubbins`it's that pain in general is bad, and to be avoided 1099629;1428937992;mats;crawling around coat racks killing italians. woke up when my beretta jammed and i died, go figure 1099630;1428937998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202900 @ 0.00029299 = 59.4477 BTC [-] {2} 1099631;1428938008;Vexual;lol, thats a movie mats 1099632;1428938015;mircea_popescu;mats any good coats ? 1099633;1428938020;mats;which movie? 1099634;1428938026;mircea_popescu;your dream. 1099635;1428938037;Vexual;unwritten as a screenplay 1099636;1428938085;nubbins`;mircea_popescu because narcissism? 1099637;1428938088;mats;im an IT guy, i have no idea what good coats look like 1099638;1428938107;Vexual;you're an it guy, its whatever u like 1099639;1428938134;nubbins`;mats they look like the coats you see people wearing when you say to yourself "i bet that was expensive" 1099640;1428938258;Vexual;or the girl who you think, i wonder how she got that? 1099641;1428938462;Vexual;then the porno imaginings trun out to be a beretta 1099642;1428938572;nubbins`;oh man. this paper place in brooklyn totally has all my business going forward 1099643;1428938620;nubbins`;so i neglect to order this batch of paper on time. gotta have it in-hand this week. i choose the $220 shipping option on the website because it's the cheapest option beyond UPS ground. 1099644;1428938644;nubbins`;they call me an hour later: "this other method will get it there in 3 days, we'll do it for $130" 1099645;1428938672;Vexual;20ft box is like 500 if u think ahead 1099646;1428938675;nubbins`;with customer service like this, IDGAF that they were closed for a week for passover 1099647;1428938692;nubbins`;Vexual think far enough ahead and you'll find yourself in the woods with a bucksaw 1099648;1428938705;Vexual;stamp lickin hipster 1099649;1428938766;nubbins`;!up Vexual 1099650;1428938769;nubbins`;assbot didn't like that one 1099651;1428938777;nubbins`;"Some observers have argued that Clinton’s repetition of the Democratic slogan that abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare”reinforces the stigmatization of those who choose that option." 1099652;1428938791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53631 @ 0.00029233 = 15.678 BTC [-] 1099653;1428938818;nubbins`;pop quiz: what are the major points of canada's abortion laws? 1099654;1428938919;Vexual;ok, coathanger point, and the leather scraing tool? 1099655;1428938967;Vexual;or is it yes, and or no 1099656;1428938986;nubbins`;heh 1099657;1428938999;nubbins`;trick question. no laws on the books concerning abortion in any way, shape, or form. 1099658;1428939025;Vexual;so iwas right on both counts 1099659;1428939106;mircea_popescu;abortion should be rare tho. 1099660;1428939129;mircea_popescu;sorta like swallowing glass shards. 1099661;1428939179;nubbins`;yeah, i think taking issue with the word "rare" is sort of missing the point 1099662;1428939185;nubbins`;probably on purpose 1099663;1428939199;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1099664;1428939210;nubbins`;imagine: "abortion should be safe, legal, and commonplace: 1099665;1428939211;nubbins`;" 1099666;1428939249;mircea_popescu;imagine something else : what the same "observers" (= famished idiots trying to make money out of blather) would have said in that case. 1099667;1428939259;nubbins`;anyway. you can get an abortion in canada a week before your due date, if you can convince a doctor to give you one 1099668;1428939262;mircea_popescu;"oppressive heternormativeness forcing women tyo be pregnant!11" 1099669;1428939267;nubbins`;(protip: you probably can't) 1099670;1428939276;mircea_popescu;i certainl;y couldn't. 1099671;1428939290;nubbins`;vous, not tu 1099672;1428939300;Vexual;does it have to be a doctor? 1099673;1428939319;nubbins`;i don't think a nurse practitioner would do it 1099674;1428939328;Vexual;not a texidermist? 1099675;1428939338;nubbins`;not even a "body mod practitioner" 1099676;1428939344;nubbins`;;;google todd bertrang 1099677;1428939345;gribble;Todd Bertrang - BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News: ; The Entrapment and Imprisonment of Todd Bertrang - BME: Tattoo ...: ; Conversations with Luna: Todd Bertrang - YouTube: (1 more message) 1099678;1428939385;Vexual;1 week? down low too slow 1099679;1428939433;Vexual;imma have hilly so far up my arse 1099680;1428939517;nubbins`;i wonder what todd bertrang is up to these days 1099681;1428939517;Vexual;ill be rolling cubans errytime i poop 1099682;1428939523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00029029 = 10.044 BTC [-] 1099683;1428939529;nubbins`;i recall taking some terrible advice of his at one point in the past 1099684;1428939574;nubbins`;wait, no, that was tom brazda's advice 1099685;1428939579;mircea_popescu;"The only reason that John Delorean avoided a long term prison sentence is that Hustler publisher Larry Flynt was able to obtain tapes showing not only that the drug trafficking idea was invented and proposed by the US government, but that both the cocaine and the money were provided FBI, and most importantly, that John Delorean told the undercover agents that he wasnt interested and begged to be let go the tape 1099686;1428939579;mircea_popescu;s show the agents actually threatening to kill John Deloreans daughter if he didnt proceed with the drug deal. It should also be noted that Larry Flynt was briefly imprisoned for contempt of court for revealing this information." 1099687;1428939582;mircea_popescu;where's these tapes then ? 1099688;1428939665;mircea_popescu;"At age forty, he was almost single-handedly responsible for the popularity of female genital modification, which, largely due to his promotion of it, had moved out of the fetish scene and become a lucrative business for cosmetic surgeons. 1099689;1428939665;mircea_popescu;While many outsiders disapproved of Todds methods and highly sexual lifestyle, the vast majority of Todds clients all consensual of course spoke extremely highly of him and were very happy with the work hed done on them." 1099690;1428939666;mircea_popescu;lolk 1099691;1428939754;Vexual;you wanna see coked out flappy birds? 1099692;1428939790;nubbins`;http://www.nytimes.com/1983/12/10/us/hustler-publisher-tells-judge-delorean-tape-was-a-fake.html 1099693;1428939791;assbot;HUSTLER PUBLISHER TELLS JUDGE DELOREAN TAPE WAS A FAKE - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO57Yq ) 1099694;1428939804;mircea_popescu;aha. 1099695;1428939812;nubbins`;true flynt style 1099696;1428939817;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1099697;1428939824;nubbins`;Under questioning from James Walsh, an Assistant United States Attorney, Mr. Flynt said he got the tape from a mystery man he identified only as ''the samurai.'' 1099698;1428939826;mircea_popescu;somehow the bme people don't seem to have heard of this tho. 1099699;1428939826;nubbins`;hahaha 1099700;1428939833;nubbins`;mircea_popescu dem blinders 1099701;1428939840;mircea_popescu;"John Delorean recently died destitute, having failed to bring his dream car back to market. 1099702;1428939841;mircea_popescu;That brings us to piercer and cutter Todd Bertrang, a regular BME contributor that was first profiled in PFIQ magazine." 1099703;1428939843;nubbins`;larratt was a whitewasher like no other 1099704;1428939847;mircea_popescu;slightly dishonest, aite 1099705;1428939878;mircea_popescu;here's a picture of a cute cat. this brings us to your daugther. she's a slut. 1099706;1428939898;mircea_popescu;"Ask yourselves: how far would you compromise your ethics for $20 million? Thats an amount of money so high that youd be able to fulfill all your dreams and live in luxury for the rest of your life. At how many million dollars does your cracking point lie?" 1099707;1428939920;mircea_popescu;dude... gtfo. a) 20mn isn't even a house. b) investment is investment. they're not gifting him 20mn. 1099708;1428939935;mircea_popescu;i need 20mn in loans like i need another glass of water. if i want it i'll get it myself. 1099709;1428939941;nubbins`;nevermind that this family can't fly back to egypt but will pay $20mn to cut off some flaps 1099710;1428939965;nubbins`;the number of people who cared when bertrang was arrested? epsilon 1099711;1428939980;mircea_popescu;"And then, before letting him decide whether or not hed actually make such an ethical compromise, in late 2002 the FBI raided his house, and Todd Bertrang and his girlfriend Robyn have been in prison ever since. No real evidence was ever presented against them, and no trial was ever held. Virtually no one stood up to defend Todd, and even those who supported of him cowered cautiously, fearing that they would be next 1099712;1428939980;mircea_popescu;. Robyn was threatened with the loss of her daughter, and eventually the two of them, being told they would be spending the rest of their lives in prison should they plead not guilty, chose to make a false confession on a variety of charges in exchange for reduced time." 1099713;1428939981;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1099714;1428939983;nubbins`;entrapment or not 1099715;1428940058;nubbins`;iirc, the whole "mods" vs "practicing medicine w/o license" thing was a BIG DEAL in the usa at the time 1099716;1428940069;nubbins`;guy was destined for jail either way 1099717;1428940102;mircea_popescu;"Felon in Possession of a Firearm 1099718;1428940103;mircea_popescu;Alright, that one is probably legitimate, although Todd claims that its more a matter of confusion and not being told that it was an issue thanks to Americas lax laws on gun purchases, no red flags showed up when he bought a handgun for home protection and he never considered at the time it was a problem." 1099719;1428940103;Vexual;!bait 1099720;1428940106;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha. top kek. 1099721;1428940111;mircea_popescu;NOW we find out the guy had priors ? 1099722;1428940113;nubbins`;heh 1099723;1428940114;mircea_popescu;kinda late. 1099724;1428940124;nubbins`;http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/decode/11/5/V/1114A 1099725;1428940126;assbot;DEL CODE § 1114A : Delaware Code - Section 1114A: TONGUE-SPLITTING; CLASS A MISDEMEANOR; CLASS B MISDEMEANOR; CLASS G FELONY; ADDITIONAL CIVIL PENALTIES ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO5EcT ) 1099726;1428940126;mircea_popescu;and conveniently not mentioned. 1099727;1428940140;mircea_popescu;i'ma assume it's rape, assault with a deadly weapon, three counts of arson and some insurance fraud 1099728;1428940150;nubbins`;"Tongue-splitting in the first degree is a class A misdemeanor." heh 1099729;1428940151;Vexual;armless fun then 1099730;1428940156;mircea_popescu;uh... 1099731;1428940189;mircea_popescu;"(c) Any person found guilty of a second or subsequent violation of this section is guilty of a class G felony for such second or subsequent offense." 1099732;1428940200;mircea_popescu;anyway, tongue's a pretty dangerous infection spot. 1099733;1428940223;nubbins`;in fact, tongue heals itself remarkably quickly 1099734;1428940233;nubbins`;the biggest danger with tongue splittings is having them.... unsplit 1099735;1428940262;nubbins`;if you DO get an infection, yes, your head's a terrible place to get one 1099736;1428940267;nubbins`;but happens much less often than you'd think 1099737;1428940332;mircea_popescu;everything happens a lot more than people who don't think think. 1099738;1428940345;nubbins`;hey, i said than YOU'D think. 1099739;1428940356;nubbins`;tu, not vous 8) 1099740;1428940411;nubbins`;consider how quickly your tongue healed the last time you bit it hard enough to draw blood and oaths 1099741;1428940433;Vexual;tongue bar is an insurance risk anyway you look at it 1099742;1428940459;nubbins`;dem chipped teeth 1099743;1428940468;nubbins`;quickest piercings to heal tho 1099744;1428940485;nubbins`;again, because the tongue is designed to heal incredibly quickly 1099745;1428940601;Vexual;also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzfy_zVAU6E 1099746;1428940633;nubbins`;!up Vexual 1099747;1428940652;nubbins`;ugh, all i get on youtube now are ads for QuadrigaCX 1099748;1428940657;nubbins`;*is ads 1099749;1428940785;nubbins`;BREAKING: RNC Chief Bill Janes has ordered an internal investigation into the leak of an email written by the officer who shot Don Dunphy in Mitchells Brook last week 1099750;1428940786;nubbins`;lel. 1099751;1428940804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199514 @ 0.00029438 = 58.7329 BTC [+] {2} 1099752;1428940805;Vexual;make ya lisp too 1099753;1428940806;nubbins`;guy sends an email to EVERY EMPLOYEE of the police force and we're surprised it got out? 1099754;1428940817;nubbins`;Vexual Common Lisp, tho, or Scheme? 1099755;1428940830;Vexual;whatvea 1099756;1428940944;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/don-dunphy-case-rnc-investigating-leak-of-officer-s-email-1.3030527 1099757;1428940946;assbot;Don Dunphy case: RNC investigating leak of officer's email - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO6I0q ) 1099758;1428940995;nubbins`;the email in question can be viewed here, in case anyone's wondering how a cop would try to whitewash a murder to his colleagues: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/rnc-officer-who-shot-don-dunphy-wishes-better-intervention-possible-1.3027828 1099759;1428940997;assbot;RNC officer who shot Don Dunphy wishes better intervention possible - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO6N42 ) 1099760;1428941016;Vexual;i get enuff spam thanks 1099761;1428941054;Vexual;not imma start ignoring dan murphy offer, thanks a lot 1099762;1428941136;Vexual;im assuming the police email it poorly written, is that racist? 1099763;1428941170;Vexual;or do i must read it? 1099764;1428941464;Vexual;ive vexed myself now 1099765;1428941556;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/2VQ0JX4.txt 1099766;1428941557;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO7oCL ) 1099767;1428941557;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1099768;1428941662;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla and yours! http://dpaste.com/0SGW1HY.txt 1099769;1428941663;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO7zOA ) 1099770;1428941663;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1099771;1428941849;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: that cop is pretty fucked. 1099772;1428941880;pete_dushenski;"i wish i didn't have a kill a dude for writing a tweet" 1099773;1428941897;pete_dushenski;"but there was obviously no other way to shut him up" 1099774;1428942091;nubbins`;he sure is 1099775;1428942198;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "EUR/USD Parity in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/ Odds: 82(Y):18(N) by coin, 80(Y):20(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.10203517 BTC. Current weight: 76,182. 1099776;1428942356;pete_dushenski;wow spieth made $1.8 mn yesterday. nb for a 21 yo. 1099777;1428942390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 208800 @ 0.00029943 = 62.521 BTC [+] {2} 1099778;1428942394;pete_dushenski;and rose failing to get up and down on 18 cost him what... $300k ? 1099779;1428942428;pete_dushenski;dat inflation i tell ya, a major was maybe a cool million 10 years ago 1099780;1428942449;pete_dushenski;^golf tawk for curious log readers 1099781;1428942478;pete_dushenski;i really don't follow it anymore but happened to catch the last hole of the tournament at the health club yesterday 1099782;1428942571;*;nubbins` seriously considers putting all of roomie's possessions out on the sidewalk 1099783;1428942615;nubbins`;it actually bothers me more, the closer it gets to the end of the money 1099784;1428942617;nubbins`;*month 1099785;1428942625;nubbins`;money too tho, heh. 1099786;1428942651;pete_dushenski;you gonna toss his plastic cutting boards to the curb ? 1099787;1428942660;nubbins`;he doesn't own any cutting boards 1099788;1428942669;pete_dushenski;"An examination of its tail may reveal whether the father or the mother was keeping those eggs warm, offering new clues about the social lives of those dinosaurs. It may also reveal where feathers came from, since oviraptors didn't fly and aren't that closely related to the dinosaurs that gave rise to birds, Persons added. "This tells us that in fact complex feathers first originated not for flight or for glidin 1099789;1428942669;pete_dushenski;g, but for socials or sexual displays." " 1099790;1428942697;pete_dushenski;^in fact! 1099791;1428942698;nubbins`;birds, the sexiest dinosaurs of all 1099792;1428942705;pete_dushenski;such science these paleotards 1099793;1428942735;*;nubbins` wanders off to calm down 1099794;1428942758;pete_dushenski;though i suppose it's not an unreasonable assumption to say that feathers were +ev for mating before anything else, calling it 'a fact' is a bit loose 1099795;1428942776;pete_dushenski;meh i nitpick. 1099796;1428942779;nubbins`;maybe he meant to say "in theory" 1099797;1428942782;nubbins`;or "hypothetically" 1099798;1428942790;nubbins`;or "anecdotal evidence seems to suggest" 1099799;1428942817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 284750 @ 0.00029982 = 85.3737 BTC [+] {3} 1099800;1428942817;nubbins`;after all, what is the plural of anecdote if not fact? 1099801;1428942961;nubbins`;besides, pete, how you gonna get those sweet research bucks if you're not claiming facts? 1099802;1428943066;pete_dushenski;i wonder who funds research into dinofeathers 1099803;1428943075;pete_dushenski;shell ? gov ? 1099804;1428943120;pete_dushenski;or just old doods who made a buck along the way and think that dinosaurs are neato 1099805;1428943145;pete_dushenski;perhaps wishing that someone would care that much about their old bones someday 1099806;1428943379;nubbins`;brb jazz cig 1099807;1428943402;nubbins`;pete_dushenski probably universities who say "hey, this researcher is interested in X, and if he publishes some papers, we get $Y" 1099808;1428943417;nubbins`;"this is totally Z!" 1099809;1428943645;pete_dushenski;lol 1099810;1428944137;nubbins`;cut the cloth you have in front of you, or w/e the fuck 1099811;1428944164;nubbins`;not like the lead researcher is gonna produce a paper worth shitting on if they don't care what the research is about :D 1099812;1428944403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162828 @ 0.00030024 = 48.8875 BTC [+] {2} 1099813;1428944974;ben_vulpes;http://www.reddit.com/r/thebutton 1099814;1428944976;assbot;the button ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkbDrV ) 1099815;1428945098;pete_dushenski;'you must log in' 1099816;1428945175;pete_dushenski;"Amazon Echo is designed around your voice. It's always on—just ask for information, music, news, weather, and more. Echo begins working as soon as it detects the wake word." 1099817;1428945223;pete_dushenski;"add gelato to my shopping list" 1099818;1428945228;jurov;;;isup trilema.com 1099819;1428945232;gribble;trilema.com is down 1099820;1428945243;pete_dushenski;"wikipedia: abraham lincoln" 1099821;1428945248;jurov;mircea_popescu: ^ same here since yest 1099822;1428945257;pete_dushenski;"turn off the lights" 1099823;1428945260;ben_vulpes;"echo: produce me a steak" 1099824;1428945275;ben_vulpes;jurov: there's fallout from the fetlife brouhaha 1099825;1428945281;ben_vulpes;dc nulled trilema's ip 1099826;1428945300;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: fetlife? 1099827;1428945303;pete_dushenski;of note, i never say "turn off the lights" but rather "close the lights" 1099828;1428945329;pete_dushenski;the french "ferme les lumieres" has gibbled my english 1099829;1428945357;chetty;whos coming to the conf that I can twist their arm for a favor? 1099830;1428945370;ben_vulpes;whatcha need, chetty? 1099831;1428945379;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: it's in the logs 1099832;1428945389;ben_vulpes;!s fetlife 1099833;1428945390;assbot;41 results for 'fetlife' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fetlife 1099834;1428945392;williamdunne;!s fetlife 1099835;1428945393;assbot;41 results for 'fetlife' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fetlife 1099836;1428945393;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: see above 1099837;1428945396;williamdunne;Oops 1099838;1428945397;williamdunne;Thanks 1099839;1428945405;chetty;some kelp/iodine tablets :) 1099840;1428945458;ben_vulpes;http://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-150mcg-Natural-Tablets/dp/B0001T0CL2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428945438&sr=8-1&keywords=kelp+iodine+tablets << like this? 1099841;1428945460;assbot;Amazon.com: Now Foods Kelp, 150mcg of Natural Iodine, 200 Tablets: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1zahTvo ) 1099842;1428945470;pete_dushenski;i dunno why anyone would want to talk to a computer instead of type into it 1099843;1428945493;ben_vulpes;it's not a computer, pete_dushenski 1099844;1428945496;pete_dushenski;what else are they doing around their house that's occupying their hands ? changing diapers ? 1099845;1428945498;ben_vulpes;it's the foooooooture 1099846;1428945517;chetty;yup ben_vulpes something like that would be perfect :) 1099847;1428945528;ben_vulpes;you got it chetty 1099848;1428945544;chetty;my hero :) 1099849;1428945550;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i'll be damned if i let 7 microphones connected to teh cloud in ma house 1099850;1428945603;williamdunne;http://web.archive.org/web/http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/ * 1099851;1428945603;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zai89E ) 1099852;1428945603;williamdunne;Sorry.* 1099853;1428945603;williamdunne;*This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.* 1099854;1428945604;williamdunne;lol 1099855;1428945623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00030027 = 9.1282 BTC [+] 1099856;1428945626;pete_dushenski;echo makes it even easier to end up like that dead canadian tweeter 1099857;1428945630;mats;https://youtu.be/4zKQ2QrdQNA war porn 1099858;1428945632;assbot;Kurdish Peshmerga Send IS Flying - IS SVBIED Goes Airborne And Explodes In Mid-Air | Iraq War 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zai9dM ) 1099859;1428945795;ben_vulpes;lol mats how'd they get that truck so high up in the air? 1099860;1428945846;mats;IED 1099861;1428945864;mats;prob a 50 pound charge 1099862;1428945882;ben_vulpes;so the IED truck drove over an IED, blasted off like team rocket and then assploded at apogee? 1099863;1428945891;mats;yup 1099864;1428945927;ben_vulpes;goodness. 1099865;1428946407;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field 1099866;1428946456;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099372 << now we know that mircea_popescu really -did- build 'stakeoilets' in his bathrooms 1099867;1428946456;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 13:36:52; mircea_popescu: women are slightly vulnerable to bad bathrooms, but slightly. you're a guy, you don't have a problem there. what are you going to catch, rabies ? 1099868;1428946927;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats 1099869;1428946931;gribble;Current Blocks: 351969 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 830 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 24 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47894617759.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.13829 1099870;1428946985;TheNewDeal;anyone ever seen a calculation for typical statistical two week step for a difficulty change at flat hashrate? 1099871;1428947879;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu re: parasitronic thread: http://www.linear.com/solutions/1218 << example 1099872;1428947880;assbot;Solutions - LTC3588-1 3.3V Fluorescent (Electric Field) Energy Harvester ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsoMAY ) 1099873;1428947880;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1099874;1428947979;ascii_field;http://www.linear.com/solutions/5153 << further examples from that vendor. there are others, and it is entirely possible to achieve the effect with discrete components 1099875;1428947980;assbot;Solutions - LTC3331 Charging a Battery with Harvested Energy ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsoVo9 ) 1099876;1428948112;ascii_field;(basic boojum of 'harvested' energy from heat, small photovoltaic, vibration, etc. is that current is small, voltage varies wildly, and polarity also fluctuates) 1099877;1428948310;pete_dushenski;http://i.imgur.com/7tk7oK8.png 1099878;1428948311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OspqP3 ) 1099879;1428948365;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1099880;1428948369;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: wat 1099881;1428948426;pete_dushenski;$5k glasses of wine and bubbly ? 1099882;1428948452;ascii_field;and where is the attached golden toilet bill for crapping it out once eaten ? 1099883;1428948471;ascii_field;(can we safely assume that golden toilet in this restaurant charges per-kg ?) 1099884;1428948473;pete_dushenski;still looking.. 1099885;1428948543;pete_dushenski;and as far as waitering goes, $7,328.20 seems pretty, pretty, pretty sweet 1099886;1428948580;jurov;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/your-money/at-nello-a-case-of-restaurant-bill-shock-the-haggler.html .. but, this is 2 figures more 1099887;1428948583;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykojNm ) 1099888;1428948583;ascii_field;where'd this come from, anyway 1099889;1428948632;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: ahem. reddit. 1099890;1428948640;ascii_field;l0l 1099891;1428948652;ascii_field;and who said homo redditus was poor, aha 1099892;1428948657;pete_dushenski;'this is what rich people do' or somesuch being the title 1099893;1428948682;pete_dushenski;ah, no claim was made to ownership, merely 'o lookie here' 1099894;1428948696;*;ascii_field will one day complete his mars lander and see alive what 'rich people do' 1099895;1428948697;pete_dushenski;because money is unfair 1099896;1428948719;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: well, you're going to the conference so... 1099897;1428948741;pete_dushenski;you might imagine mystery, but you know full well! 1099898;1428948742;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: i went to c2 also 1099899;1428948794;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: i recall this well as these are the source of the only pictures i've ever seen of you 1099900;1428948851;*;ascii_field is not especially interesting to look at and tends to avoid having picture taken when possible 1099901;1428948911;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Can you please rewrite without the first paragraph footnotes being footnotes in the first paragraph? 1099902;1428948948;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: nonsense. there's no such thing as someone who isn't interesting to look at. 1099903;1428948957;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: ayup. brb 1099904;1428948964;ascii_field;l0l 1099905;1428949025;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Thanks. 1099906;1428949042;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: The information is useful to include, the method of using first paragraph footnotes weirds up the first page though. 1099907;1428949314;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/1KJ1WWY.txt 1099908;1428949315;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykpDjp ) 1099909;1428949344;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 506 @ 0.00452203 = 2.2881 BTC [+] {3} 1099910;1428949405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 349760 @ 0.00030029 = 105.0294 BTC [+] {2} 1099911;1428949466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38790 @ 0.00030098 = 11.675 BTC [+] 1099912;1428949478;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/04/xapo-wants-to-pay-you-to-play-video-games/ 1099913;1428949487;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: ty 1099914;1428949487;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch 1099915;1428949517;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: wunderbar 1099916;1428949683;pete_dushenski;gotta keep that place fresh! 1099917;1428949828;pete_dushenski;"Note: To stall core development 6 years after inception is perhaps the stupidest thing anyone has ever recommended in the history of time." << because 'sapien' knows all the histories nao ? 1099918;1428949836;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/04/olivier-janssens-bitcoin-floundation-out-of-money-hates-transparency/#comment-17941 1099919;1428949837;assbot;Olivier Janssens: Bitcoin Floundation Out Of Money, Hates Transparency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykqCzV ) 1099920;1428949947;BingoBoingo;Just woke up and getting to the news digging 1099921;1428950452;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field 1099922;1428950476;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: how is it that you have asciilifeform !up you sometimes ? 1099923;1428950482;pete_dushenski;remote access to keys ? 1099924;1428950686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66378 @ 0.00029535 = 19.6047 BTC [-] 1099925;1428950875;trinque;https://www.theverge.com/2015/4/12/8392769/nsa-front-door-access-encryption-key << "Front door" not "back door"! very comforting 1099926;1428950876;assbot;The NSA wants tech companies to give it 'front door' access to encrypted data | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCHAH6 ) 1099927;1428950915;pete_dushenski;it's 1990 all over again 1099928;1428950932;trinque;same thing happened with the patriot act 1099929;1428950939;trinque;written and proposed long before it actually passed 1099930;1428950947;trinque;they'll ram this through the same way if it takes 30 years 1099931;1428950955;trinque;though I wouldn't be surprised if they pass something this year 1099932;1428950968;pete_dushenski;^sounds like a bitbet! 1099933;1428950991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 20000 @ 0.000065 = 1.3 BTC [-] 1099934;1428951019;trinque;heh, mere speculation 1099935;1428951068;williamdunne;trinque: Would front door not suggest that its easier to enter than simply a back door? 1099936;1428951100;trinque;williamdunne: NSA proposes they become keybase.io for all encrypted communications 1099937;1428951128;williamdunne;trinque: except with NSAbase.io you *have* to give them your keys 1099938;1428951134;trinque;indeed 1099939;1428951174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 18160 @ 0.000065 = 1.1804 BTC [-] {2} 1099940;1428951180;trinque;so what of encryption done on airgapped networks? 1099941;1428951192;trinque;this implies a requirement that encryption be done on internet-connected machines 1099942;1428951210;trinque;I guess it doesn't if the NSA keys are bolted into every system made 1099943;1428951229;trinque;it's hard to fathom precisely what they propose here 1099944;1428951237;trinque;probably something like "uh... we need access to all the iPhones" 1099945;1428951275;williamdunne;trinque: I would imagine they either a) want flawed PRNG or b) want all encryption to be done to the recipients key and the NSA's golden key 1099946;1428951334;trinque;williamdunne: sure, then they want to monitor all communications in order to enforce this requirement (nothing new, but brings it into the "open") 1099947;1428951431;williamdunne;trinque: I suppose we should be thankful that the GPG developer is in Germany 1099948;1428951524;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: that guy has nothing to do with anything 1099949;1428951530;ben_vulpes;gpg 1.4 is the only gpg to use. 1099950;1428951548;ben_vulpes;and will remain that way until someone in la serenissima gets fed up and rewrites it. 1099951;1428951771;mats;not so complicated, cert. store and USG owns a master key 1099952;1428951809;mats;flawed PRNG, borked constants, etc, would be a hard sell 1099953;1428951880;mats;oh, thats what i get for not reading the article 1099954;1428952412;williamdunne;!up ascii_field 1099955;1428953415;lobbes; gpg 1.4 is the only gpg to use << oy, so my privkey isn't as private as I thought? I feel like I'm always realizing I'm using the borked versions of all the things 1099956;1428953427;lobbes;!s gpg 1.4 1099957;1428953428;assbot;1 results for 'gpg 1.4' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gpg+1.4 1099958;1428953610;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: how is it that you ... << perlscript, nothing remarkable 1099959;1428953626;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: remote access to keys ? << not as such 1099960;1428953705;funkenstein_;speaking of which i was going to ask you guys if gpg needs ecdsa support 1099961;1428953741;ascii_field;funkenstein_: why?! 1099962;1428953744;TheNewDeal;did trilema migrate? 1099963;1428953783;funkenstein_;so one could use a bitcoin key for gpg privkey 1099964;1428953841;funkenstein_;ascii_field, for some reason i was unable to ask myself that simple question thanks :P 1099965;1428953883;funkenstein_;there are multiple DSAs, seems like it is supposed to be extensible 1099966;1428953890;ascii_field;funkenstein_: so one could use a bitcoin key for gpg privkey << i am still at a loss as to why one might wish to do this.. 1099967;1428953925;funkenstein_;for example, i could check your pubkey and send you coin 1099968;1428953938;funkenstein_;i mean, it saves the step of you signing an address 1099969;1428953946;lobbes;did trilema migrate? << I, too, have not been able to load it today 1099970;1428953963;funkenstein_;which isn't much advantage i guess 1099971;1428953964;ascii_field;funkenstein_> for example, i could check your pubkey and send you coin << you can do that now. create addr, fill it, send over proper pgp 1099972;1428953980;ascii_field;*send its privkey over 1099973;1428954017;funkenstein_;hmm yeah 1099974;1428954054;funkenstein_;well why are there multiple DSAs in gpg? 1099975;1428954064;ascii_field;cruft 1099976;1428954111;BingoBoingo;Historical artifacts 1099977;1428954144;funkenstein_;yeah i guess there is no need to make it crufiter 1099978;1428954155;funkenstein_;gpg --sign-tx 1099979;1428954174;funkenstein_;gpg --get-me-a-pizza 1099980;1428954262;funkenstein_;sometimes people like to use gpg for key management 1099981;1428954267;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1099982;1428954295;ascii_field;the 'key management' is, imho, a crudfest and Must Die (TM) 1099983;1428954349;funkenstein_;you mean like the lifetimes and whatnot? 1099984;1428954359;ascii_field;like it having any state at all 1099985;1428954375;funkenstein_;the keys have to live somewhere on disk 1099986;1428954379;ascii_field;keys yes 1099987;1428954406;ascii_field;but operator should select path on file system and give, e.g., destination pubkey for a ciphergram, as operand on commandline. 1099988;1428954487;ascii_field;ditto the key expiration thing 1099989;1428954494;ascii_field;it is mostly worthless as presently implemented 1099990;1428954521;ascii_field;(e.g., can i tell gpg 'this key is now expired but existing signatures remain valid until heat death of universe' ? afaik no) 1099991;1428954554;funkenstein_;i agree but i thought that was cause i haven't been using it long enough 1099992;1428954580;ascii_field;^ and yes this doesn't exist because it is not physically possible to implement it as a hard guarantee (why is an exercise for the reader) 1099993;1428954607;ascii_field;but to my eye this is a reason to dispense with the 'expiration' and other nebulous 'meta' entirely. 1099994;1428954951;mircea_popescu;!up WoIf` 1099995;1428954994;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yeah, it is an example. 1099996;1428955041;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099740 << i was like 6 1099997;1428955041;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 15:53:31; nubbins`: consider how quickly your tongue healed the last time you bit it hard enough to draw blood and oaths 1099998;1428955122;mircea_popescu;!up Michail1 1099999;1428955255;Michail1;Anyone have a suggestion on if arch or debian is better suited for pogoplug? recommendation? 1100000;1428955273;trinque;dunno why one or the other would be best suited 1100001;1428955284;trinque;depends mostly on whether you have a working kernel config 1100002;1428955300;mircea_popescu;kinda intended to be neutral iirc. 1100003;1428955309;ascii_field;Michail1: what is the machine used for? for instance, if as a blunt weapon, than a length of chain is preferably to debian -and- arch 1100004;1428955317;ascii_field;*preferable 1100005;1428955318;trinque;lol 1100006;1428955346;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the pogoplug ? it's used to run the bitcoin node 1100007;1428955352;Michail1;intended to be used only as a full node. 1100008;1428955359;ascii_field;Michail1: then neither 1100009;1428955364;Michail1;thanks. 1100010;1428955375;ascii_field;build own linux. instructions can be found in the log. 1100011;1428955383;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 513 @ 0.00459438 = 2.3569 BTC [+] 1100012;1428955387;trinque;!s buildroot 1100013;1428955388;assbot;63 results for 'buildroot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buildroot 1100014;1428955469;mircea_popescu;he's still gonna start offa something. iirc danielpbarron had instructions from arch ? or was it debian ? 1100015;1428955498;Michail1;Thanks. As I was converting the plug, I discovered that both builds were listed/suggested, but wanted to know if there was a reason to choose one over the other. Hell, I will just make one of each since there is no compelling reason to do one over the other. 1100016;1428955499;ascii_field;the original cookbook used arch. 1100017;1428955500;trinque;http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt 1100018;1428955501;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zawJCf ) 1100019;1428955552;trinque;http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html << I also found this helpful as a general guide to putting a linux on the thing. 1100020;1428955554;assbot;Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zawNBG ) 1100021;1428955556;trinque;Michail1: ^ 1100022;1428955595;trinque;as far as which distro, it's just a matter of preference; nothing in one or the other will rule out operating on the pogo 1100023;1428955651;Michail1;Thanks. That is the one I used; however, that one is more geared to debian although I did arch. Also, that link doesn't tell you that booting from the USB3 ports doesn't work (costing me an hour). 1100024;1428955652;mats;recent versions of debian and arch have systemd fwiw 1100025;1428955732;ascii_field;Michail1: i have a 'buildroot' config published, that yields a minimal linux for pogov4. 1100026;1428955739;ascii_field;it is not difficult to build. well worth it. 1100027;1428955774;mircea_popescu;"For Mr. Dunphy, we were simply too late but that doesn't mean we stop forging ahead into hopelessness, anguish and despair with the view of creating betterment, safety and wellbeing for the citizens we serve." 1100028;1428955780;mircea_popescu;dude this guy should be shot already. 1100029;1428955784;mircea_popescu;fucktards. 1100030;1428955849;ascii_field;what even. 1100031;1428955879;Michail1;ascii_field - published ehere? 1100032;1428955884;mircea_popescu;some idiot canadian murderer for hire thinks that working for the prime minister allows him to not only shoot random people 1100033;1428955896;mircea_popescu;but also shoot the fact that he's a murderer for hire shooting people. 1100034;1428955907;ascii_field;Michail1: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html 1100035;1428955908;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaxj2K ) 1100036;1428955973;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099792 << what's wrong with the bit in question ? 1100037;1428955973;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 16:31:45; pete_dushenski: such science these paleotards 1100038;1428955980;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Didn't you hear? He has popular mandate! 1100039;1428955988;mircea_popescu;yeah, right. 1100040;1428956022;mircea_popescu;it's quite obvious executions will be required, and en masse. just saying it now so people don't start pestering me with concerns once we're in a position to do it, like they did last fucking time around. 1100041;1428956040;mircea_popescu;no, shooting the "dictatorial couple" is neither here nor there. shooting ^ that guy is the point. 1100042;1428956111;danielpbarron;Michail1, i have bitcoind working on Arch; when i tried it on debian i ran into problems relating it not being a "static" build 1100043;1428956122;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1100044;1428956123;williamdunne;!up ascii_field 1100045;1428956135;danielpbarron;height=322036 vs height=222926 1100046;1428956147;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099821 < yeh yeh, being workt on. 1100047;1428956147;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 17:14:08; jurov: mircea_popescu: ^ same here since yest 1100048;1428956245;ascii_field;'"Although I cannot regret my actions last Sunday, I unequivocally wish I could have visited Mr. Dunphy at a point in his life where another level of intervention may have been possible," the officer wrote in the email, obtained by CBC News.' 1100049;1428956249;ascii_field;mega-l0ltr0n! 1100050;1428956268;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099842 << illiterate people. 1100051;1428956268;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 17:17:50; pete_dushenski: i dunno why anyone would want to talk to a computer instead of type into it 1100052;1428956269;*;ascii_field for what it's worth expects to be killed in some variation on this theme 1100053;1428956282;mircea_popescu;roughly speaking, the dwim dweeb crowd. 1100054;1428956323;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i would hope that if you point a gun at some idiot govt agent, you a) it's not a rifle indoors ; b) it's not a 22 caliber etc. 1100055;1428956336;mircea_popescu;i'd say i hope you shoot them, but then again you're not muscle so. 1100056;1428956337;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: don't forget the basic formula here 1100057;1428956345;ascii_field;there needn't be any of these props involved 1100058;1428956355;mircea_popescu;heh. 1100059;1428956358;ascii_field;the rifle will be placed on the corpse by the police dept. at their leisure, etc. 1100060;1428956359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00029449 = 7.1414 BTC [-] 1100061;1428956361;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Seems to me that being able to use voice commands could have limited usage for mundane tasks, so they can be performed without distraction from what you are actually trying to do 1100062;1428956383;mircea_popescu;williamdunne it's a psychological thing dood. there's a large swath of imbeciles pretending like they're using computers. 1100063;1428956391;mircea_popescu;the welfare governments wish to cultivate this pretense. 1100064;1428956440;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Do you not think it would be useful to be able to set a reminder without leaving your text editor? This is the sort of mundane task I was thinking of (certainly not enough to spark any sort of industry) 1100065;1428956445;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal 1100066;1428956454;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099853 << lmao wut. https://archive.today/9LwIF 1100067;1428956454;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 17:20:03; williamdunne: *This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.* 1100068;1428956459;assbot;The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume II on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zayj6R ) 1100069;1428956475;mircea_popescu;the way back machine apparently sucks. good to know 1100070;1428956479;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: fetlife has told the wayback-machine to drop your blog post 1100071;1428956488;ascii_field;iirc it is directly usg-affiliated. 1100072;1428956495;mircea_popescu;alexa iirc. 1100073;1428956498;mircea_popescu;ie, amazon 1100074;1428956535;trinque;williamdunne: keybindings, not voice commands 1100075;1428956546;trinque;learn ya a proper window manager like stumpwm 1100076;1428956585;williamdunne;wayback-machine does all sorts of derpy things, like it uses the current robots.txt rather than the historical robots.txt at the time of publication. 1100077;1428956676;williamdunne;trinque: I'll have a look at it, I just like the idea of saying "remind me to get food out of the oven in 20" while in the middle of doing something that might actually matter 1100078;1428956775;trinque;williamdunne: if being able to do that requires shipping an audio file of my every command to google, I'll pass 1100079;1428956802;trinque;the speech-to-text maybe not; parsing and interpeting what's said, surely 1100080;1428956847;williamdunne;trinque: guess it depends on the amount of functionality, doesn't seem like it would require to much to cover a fairly large number of commands 1100081;1428956857;trinque;program launcher bound to key, pick a reminder proggie, keybinding to add reminder, type stuff, 1100082;1428956871;trinque;should take less than 10 sec 1100083;1428956910;lobbes;or egg timer for oven related tasks ;/ 1100084;1428957406;mats;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-12/saudi-arabia-s-plan-to-extend-the-age-of-oil 1100085;1428957408;assbot;Saudi Arabia's Plan to Extend the Age of Oil - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1zazKCx ) 1100086;1428957473;mats;"In 2005, when a book by oil analyst Matthew Simmons predicted a drop-off in Saudi output would signal that global supplies were beginning an irreversible decline, Naimi belittled the claims and promised higher production capacity. He won the argument. The Saudis pump more today than a decade ago." heh. 1100087;1428957661;mircea_popescu;heh. the saudis are stuck. sitting on a pile of non renewable resources is only valuable if the resources are still relevant. 1100088;1428957672;mircea_popescu;crushing obama is obviously worth "all the oil" to them 1100089;1428957683;mircea_popescu;funny who the us allies in the midwest are. 1100090;1428957756;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099870 << what arer you actually asking ? 1100091;1428957756;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 17:43:05; TheNewDeal: anyone ever seen a calculation for typical statistical two week step for a difficulty change at flat hashrate? 1100092;1428957787;williamdunne;The calculation wouldn't change regardless of hashrate change would it? 1100093;1428957840;mircea_popescu;i dunno 1100094;1428957981;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099877 << nothing quite beats washing down 20 dollar potato salad and 40 dollar "chunk of parmesan" with 10k magnum cristal. 1100095;1428957981;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 18:05:10; pete_dushenski: http://i.imgur.com/7tk7oK8.png 1100096;1428957989;mircea_popescu;who are the gypsies in question ? 1100097;1428958222;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: they're as yet unknown to me 1100098;1428958232;mircea_popescu;!up Asenath 1100099;1428958555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00029103 = 1.426 BTC [-] {2} 1100100;1428958660;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: any word back from fortune ? 1100101;1428959039;ben_vulpes; mircea_popescu: Do you not think it would be useful to be able to set a reminder without leaving your text editor? This is the sort of mundane task I was thinking of (certainly not enough to spark any sort of industry) 1100102;1428959040;ben_vulpes; << your text editor doesn't handle reminders etc? 1100103;1428959136;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: yours does ? 1100104;1428959176;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: http://sachachua.com/blog/2007/11/setting-up-appointment-reminders-in-org/ 1100105;1428959177;assbot;Setting up appointment reminders in Org - sacha chua :: living an awesome life ... ( http://bit.ly/1CI0jPD ) 1100106;1428959197;ben_vulpes;http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Appointments.html 1100107;1428959198;assbot;GNU Emacs Manual: Appointments ... ( http://bit.ly/1CI0kD6 ) 1100108;1428959216;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: yes. 1100109;1428959228;pete_dushenski;huh neat trick 1100110;1428959287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.00029449 = 15.8141 BTC [+] 1100111;1428959387;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: thanks for those links, I'll look into that 1100112;1428960008;ben_vulpes;heh i don't really expect you to just start using emacs 1100113;1428960663;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: If I had a reason to change, I might. I've been meaning to look into it for a while 1100114;1428960855;williamdunne;"Did you know that the average tax return so far for 2015 is $3,539! What would, or will, you do with that hard earned money the government so graciously returned to you after borrowing it at 0% interest?" 1100115;1428960856;williamdunne;lol 1100116;1428960944;williamdunne;(AmagiMetals) 1100117;1428962032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00029449 = 5.772 BTC [+] 1100118;1428962276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12798 @ 0.00028987 = 3.7098 BTC [-] 1100119;1428962362;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/13/the-usefulness-of-idiots/ 1100120;1428962363;assbot;The usefulness of idiots. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7wHSh ) 1100121;1428962377;pete_dushenski;aite, that done, time to go for a walk. 1100122;1428962704;mats;many folks got free money this year 1100123;1428962727;mats;'Earned Income Tax Credit' 1100124;1428962802;jurov;as "free money" i tend to imagine something other 1100125;1428963503;jurov;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/xaGffxAM-hs the end is nigh 1100126;1428963504;assbot;Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7BH9I ) 1100127;1428963522;lobbes;re: tax idiocy. There are towns where I live that feel fit to tax income on residents that make their money out-of-town. 1100128;1428963535;lobbes;Of course they don't tell you this when you move into these municipalities, thus leaving many fucked a few years down the line with interest, et al 1100129;1428963594;mats;and you can't tell them to fuck off if you live out of state? 1100130;1428963664;lobbes;ah, but these aren't even state taxes. 'Local Tax' 1100131;1428963668;williamdunne;lobbes: The USG does the same on foreign earned income.. when you neither live nor work in the US 1100132;1428963673;jurov;"Finally, some people conflate the idea of a global transition from plain HTTP to HTTPS as a move by CA's to make more money. They might argue that first, we need to get rid of CA's or provide an alternative path for obtaining certificates. I disagree. Switching from plain HTTP to HTTPS is step one. Step two might include adding more avenues for establishing trust and authentication." 1100133;1428963680;lobbes;'the time for plaintext is over' l0l 1100134;1428963704;jurov;step 3: PROFIT!!! 1100135;1428963740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21774 @ 0.00028987 = 6.3116 BTC [-] 1100136;1428963767;jurov;"If you actually go to read the details of the proposal rather than relying only on the headline, you'd find that there is an intent to actually let you continue to use http for, e.g., localhost." 1100137;1428963801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00028987 = 5.1887 BTC [-] 1100138;1428963805;jurov;lulzmine 1100139;1428963806;trinque;"let you" << LOL? 1100140;1428963939;trinque;yeah.. like portland's fucking "art tax" 1100141;1428963948;trinque;damn it; I was scrolled up :p 1100142;1428963958;trinque;lobbes: ^ 1100143;1428963988;lobbes;art..tax? 1100144;1428963995;lobbes;oh god 1100145;1428964055;trinque;yeah, you know, to support... art... for the children (?) 1100146;1428964071;trinque;precursor to a portland income tax, I guarantee it 1100147;1428964107;lobbes;l0l, you weren't kidding: https://www.portlandoregon.gov/revenue/article/422384 1100148;1428964110;assbot;FAQs | Arts Tax | The City of Portland, Oregon ... ( http://bit.ly/1aXHvGC ) 1100149;1428964119;lobbes;"If due, the Arts Tax is $35 per person" 1100150;1428964161;trinque;totally not a poll tax, because it doesn't count if you make less than 1000/yr 1100151;1428964171;lobbes;ha 1100152;1428964173;trinque;this country is full of imbeciles 1100153;1428964175;williamdunne;trinque: I was led to believe it was for the disabled gay orphaned puppies 1100154;1428964185;williamdunne;(who need artwork) 1100155;1428964187;trinque;I'm sure it is 1100156;1428964195;trinque;so they can finger (paw?) paint 1100157;1428964233;trinque;but more importantly to spin up a new bureaucracy that can handle taking an income tax in 1100158;1428964345;trinque;"The practical effect of the tax is to tax income of certain City residents within a certain income range and is therefore not a poll or head tax." LOL 1100159;1428964366;trinque;how bout a tax on everyone with arms 1100160;1428964716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00028895 = 3.7852 BTC [-] {2} 1100161;1428965153;mircea_popescu;mmkay ima be going through the log here. 1100162;1428965255;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099891 << on the basis of that bill i'd say the six in question are poor. 1100163;1428965255;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 18:10:52; ascii_field: and who said homo redditus was poor, aha 1100164;1428965504;mircea_popescu;!up kdomanski 1100165;1428965509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32556 @ 0.0002887 = 9.3989 BTC [-] {2} 1100166;1428965725;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099917 << i answered the dumbass. 1100167;1428965725;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 18:30:28; pete_dushenski: "Note: To stall core development 6 years after inception is perhaps the stupidest thing anyone has ever recommended in the history of time." << because 'sapien' knows all the histories nao ? 1100168;1428965775;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099930 << in 30 years the "tech companies" will be exactly like the janissary corps. a very expensive pretense. 1100169;1428965775;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 18:49:07; trinque: they'll ram this through the same way if it takes 30 years 1100170;1428965808;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099941 << derps don't even want to think about separate nets. 1100171;1428965808;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 18:53:12; trinque: this implies a requirement that encryption be done on internet-connected machines 1100172;1428965868;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099950 << undersigned. 1100173;1428965868;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 18:59:08; ben_vulpes: and will remain that way until someone in la serenissima gets fed up and rewrites it. 1100174;1428965902;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099958 << i thought you didn't like perl. 1100175;1428965902;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 19:33:30; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: how is it that you ... << perlscript, nothing remarkable 1100176;1428965914;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099962 << mnot yet. 1100177;1428965914;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 19:35:44; TheNewDeal: did trilema migrate? 1100178;1428965945;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099969 << idem. provisioning servers takes a while apparently. 1100179;1428965945;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 19:39:06; lobbes: did trilema migrate? << I, too, have not been able to load it today 1100180;1428965986;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099984 << undersigned. 1100181;1428965986;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 19:45:59; ascii_field: like it having any state at all 1100182;1428965997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20022 @ 0.00028813 = 5.7689 BTC [-] 1100183;1428966051;mircea_popescu;if only we had a bitcoin host already ;/ 1100184;1428966073;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1100100 << nope. 1100185;1428966073;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 20:57:40; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: any word back from fortune ? 1100186;1428966133;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1100114 << imo the entire "obamacare is a tax not a fine, but a fine not a tax, but the irs can't go after you except if they owe you tax returns" has been mostly an exercise in "we don't wanna pay tax returns anymore". 1100187;1428966133;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 21:34:15; williamdunne: "Did you know that the average tax return so far for 2015 is $3,539! What would, or will, you do with that hard earned money the government so graciously returned to you after borrowing it at 0% interest?" 1100188;1428966142;mircea_popescu;which a desperate govt would be doing, obviously. and so... one way or another... 1100189;1428966194;williamdunne;But USG spending is so stable? Hence why they keep growing year on year. 1100190;1428966210;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1100127 << this will become the norm as senenissima continues to wipe out tax receipts across the world. 1100191;1428966210;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 22:18:42; lobbes: re: tax idiocy. There are towns where I live that feel fit to tax income on residents that make their money out-of-town. 1100192;1428966213;williamdunne;(they being the collective employees of the USG) 1100193;1428966228;mircea_popescu;they only exist because of the expenditure. how would it not grow ? 1100194;1428966262;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1100132 << yeah, very lulzy all that posturing. 1100195;1428966262;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 22:21:13; jurov: "Finally, some people conflate the idea of a global transition from plain HTTP to HTTPS as a move by CA's to make more money. They might argue that first, we need to get rid of CA's or provide an alternative path for obtaining certificates. I disagree. Switching from plain HTTP to HTTPS is step one. Step two might include adding more avenues for establishing trust and authentication." 1100196;1428966273;mircea_popescu;yes, the time for plaintext is over, but because wots and so on, not because pki. 1100197;1428966293;mircea_popescu;pki isn't even a thing anymore. i don't use it, for instance. 1100198;1428966323;jurov;i quoted that mainly because of the planning 1100199;1428966366;mircea_popescu;it's lulzy ill grant you that 1100200;1428966370;jurov;step 1. make utter mess step 2. whatever 1100201;1428966376;mircea_popescu;myeah 1100202;1428966452;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1100149 << how about "an arts tax to support the artsy sorts of dumb bitches with etsy accounts ? $35, includes two mandatory blowjobs / year from any female wearing the mandatory "I am an Etsy ho" bracelet, anklet or tramp stamp" ? 1100203;1428966452;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 22:28:39; lobbes: "If due, the Arts Tax is $35 per person" 1100204;1428966501;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1100157 << prolly. 1100205;1428966501;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 22:30:33; trinque: but more importantly to spin up a new bureaucracy that can handle taking an income tax in 1100206;1428966912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7619 @ 0.00029449 = 2.2437 BTC [+] 1100207;1428967478;mircea_popescu;and speaking of pki, http://31.media.tumblr.com/6414e1f72efb150eea265ba6c835a190/tumblr_n3v281cStV1see514o2_400.gif 1100208;1428967479;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEnuSm ) 1100209;1428967485;mats;heh, six people in the office had their tax returns stolen 1100210;1428967495;mats;thanks Anthem! 1100211;1428967563;mats;(also, can anyone explain why the IRS issues debit cards for refunds? i'm told they're "untraceable" by folks that spoke to LEOs regarding the matter) 1100212;1428967590;mircea_popescu;lmao what do you mean untraceable. 1100213;1428967622;mats;i have nfi 1100214;1428968132;mats;http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1504.1/03389.html 1100215;1428968134;assbot;Linux-Kernel Archive: [GIT PULL] x86/asm changes for v4.1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEqP3X ) 1100216;1428968305;williamdunne;mats: Somehow I doubt that the IRS wouldn't track to whom they issue each card 1100217;1428968465;mats;https://reverse.put.as/2015/04/13/how-to-fix-rootpipe-in-mavericks-and-call-apples-bullshit-bluff-about-rootpipe-fixes/ 1100218;1428968467;assbot;How to fix rootpipe in Mavericks and call Apple's bullshit bluff about rootpipe fixes | Reverse Engineering Mac OS X ... ( http://bit.ly/1GErL8o ) 1100219;1428968864;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c plox to check your emails ty. 1100220;1428968864;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1100221;1428969728;mike_c;email checked. thx. 1100222;1428969962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00028813 = 3.7889 BTC [-] 1100223;1428971427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00029449 = 4.7266 BTC [+] 1100224;1428972341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00029388 = 2.4392 BTC [-] {2} 1100225;1428972535;williamdunne;natmonitor.com/2015/04/12/man-kills-himself-in-front-of-u-s-capitol-building-holding-tax-the-one-percent-sign/ 1100226;1428972559;williamdunne;Probably a good use of the bullet 1100227;1428972610;williamdunne;Didn't even do it on the right day 1100228;1428972612;williamdunne;" Lawmakers were not around at the time, as Congress was out of session on spring break. They are expected to reconvene on Monday. " 1100229;1428972768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00029449 = 2.3265 BTC [+] 1100230;1428973012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00028813 = 3.6881 BTC [-] 1100231;1428973864;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch 1100232;1428973891;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/judge-preet-bhararas-brinkmanship-endangers-fair-trials/ 1100233;1428973927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00028813 = 3.2415 BTC [-] 1100234;1428975066;asciilifeform; ... i thought you didn't like perl. << i dislike many things. but ripping out the perl won't put me any closer to victory, so it is $maxint down on the list of things-to-do... 1100235;1428975417;asciilifeform;'A man holding a sign protesting "social injustice" shot himself in front of the U.S. Capitol Building, causing a brief terrorism scare and a lockdown that has since been lifted. An unidentified man had a sign taped to his hand as well as a backpack and a rolling suitcase, the latter of which caused a bomb investigation, according to a New York Daily News report. The words that were on the sign were not revealed, although thos 1100236;1428975417;asciilifeform;e who saw the sign said it had something to do with taxation. One report indicated that the sign said "tax the one percent," which he appeared to raise shortly before he shot himself. The bomb squad went through his bags as they investigated. They had clothes inside. Bridget Maley was with a friend on a tour of the Capitol when the lockdown happened, she told the NY Daily News, describing the atmosphere as "calm." The tour con 1100237;1428975418;asciilifeform;tinued as usual, and her guide even went so far as to say that a lockdown wasn't an unusual occurrence.' 1100238;1428975421;asciilifeform;^ mega-l0l 1100239;1428975439;asciilifeform;'Hundreds of people were escorted out through an underground passageway to the Library of Congress. They waited near gift shops and inside a restaurant and were told to walk opposite of the Capitol.' 1100240;1428975458;*;asciilifeform was about two blocks away but an hour or so too late to see these festivities 1100241;1428975586;BingoBoingo;!up DigitalDayTrader 1100242;1428975818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00029019 = 4.0917 BTC [+] 1100243;1428975839;asciilifeform;http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/avmalgin/6046593/1717911/1717911_original.jpg << puzzle. who is this ? 1100244;1428975840;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCvG3j ) 1100245;1428975922;danielpbarron;clinton? 1100246;1428975926;asciilifeform;aha. 1100247;1428976360;BingoBoingo;Clinton has looked old for a long time 1100248;1428976381;asciilifeform;heil clitler. 1100249;1428976431;BingoBoingo;!b 1 1100250;1428976432;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2F5AP0W.txt ) 1100251;1428976510;ben_vulpes;not clintler? 1100252;1428976513;ben_vulpes;or clitter? 1100253;1428976521;asciilifeform;clitler 1100254;1428976529;asciilifeform;(r) al schwartz 199somethingorother 1100255;1428976550;ben_vulpes;ahaa 1100256;1428976598;felipelalli;hi! I have an idea. could you guys please tell me if this is a bad, more or less or good idea? 1100257;1428976604;ben_vulpes;https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392073 1100258;1428976608;assbot;392073 – Firefox limited to 1 CPU on multi-cpu machine; multi-threading appears broken ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCx6uA ) 1100259;1428976611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00029336 = 3.0803 BTC [+] {2} 1100260;1428976612;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: i'll gladly shoot you down for the pleasure of it 1100261;1428976633;ben_vulpes;jokes aside, "don't ask to ask, just ask" 1100262;1428976672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00029449 = 3.1658 BTC [+] 1100263;1428976720;felipelalli;ahahah thanks ben_vulpes ok, but I think it could be a "book", so I'll write on pastebin and then paste here. 1100264;1428976737;ben_vulpes;brevity is the soul of whatever etc 1100265;1428976754;trinque;wit 1100266;1428976837;asciilifeform;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099925 << do i need to explain what the resurrection of 'key escrow' idiocy from '90s (clinton's! to go right along with the new clinton!) means from the meta-nsa school of thought? or is it already obvious to aficionados 1100267;1428976837;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2015 18:47:55; trinque: https://www.theverge.com/2015/4/12/8392769/nsa-front-door-access-encryption-key << "Front door" not "back door"! very comforting 1100268;1428976906;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: generally you'll want to have the thing queued up to fire *before* talking about it 1100269;1428976914;ben_vulpes;i don't edge with strangers 1100270;1428976931;trinque;asciilifeform: at the very least passing something like that legitimizes surveillance as a means to verify compliance with the escrow system 1100271;1428976936;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: sorry ben, my bad. :( 1100272;1428976946;trinque;"well of course we have to watch the wire for terrorists using gpg!" 1100273;1428976952;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: I was too excited. 1100274;1428976961;asciilifeform;trinque: nope. 1100275;1428976968;trinque;do tell 1100276;1428976970;ben_vulpes;that's why *you're* supposed to be the one gasping on the brink 1100277;1428977038;asciilifeform;think, why would usg make loud, public farts against 'iPnohe' and other products from usgtronics vendors which remain as porous as ever ? 1100278;1428977077;trinque;asciilifeform: some kind of implication that they're secure *now*? 1100279;1428977093;asciilifeform;algo went as follows: 1) snowden releases (whether one believes they were controlled or spontaneous does not matter for this recipe) 1100280;1428977117;asciilifeform;2) usg reaction. loud farts, but on psyop front, barrage of faux seeek000r1ty products 1100281;1428977143;asciilifeform;e.g., iPnohe disk crypto, multi-coloured '$colourphones', etc 1100282;1428977176;asciilifeform;3) was to be the massive uptake by miscreant chumps, 4 - ???, and 5 - the proverbial 'profit!!11!!' 1100283;1428977187;asciilifeform;but for some odd reason (3) did not happen. 1100284;1428977215;felipelalli;ok, I'll try: I'd like to use OTC as a global "blacklist". But it is bad for that because a scammer won't create an account on OTC, or if his reputation is bad, he'll erase it. So we could create a "standard" like for example: br-8d255152 where "br" is the country code ISO and 8d255152 is the first 8 chars of SHA256 of user country document (in Brazil we call CPF and in Australia ID) 1100285;1428977222;asciilifeform;so 4 is now 3, and 3 is now 3) 'ban' crypto 1100286;1428977251;asciilifeform;felipelalli: your idea requires cooperation of known mortal enemies of all things good and bright 1100287;1428977253;asciilifeform;ergo fail. 1100288;1428977269;felipelalli;in this way, anyone could rate scammers and it would be useful for all services like exchanges and everything. 1100289;1428977288;mats;bad. the friction exists in developing the identity, not burning it. 1100290;1428977289;felipelalli;asciilifeform: why this requires cooperation? could you give an example? 1100291;1428977320;asciilifeform;felipelalli: say i'm a scammer. i buy your passport scan from whoever owned 'mtgox' and use your code. 1100292;1428977335;asciilifeform;you complain to $official. he says 'fuck you' 1100293;1428977361;asciilifeform;(if you're lucky. if you're not, he has you shot for the things i did while 'i were you') 1100294;1428977394;trinque;asciilifeform | 3) was to be the massive uptake by miscreant chumps << of the bunk crypto? 1100295;1428977402;asciilifeform;trinque: yes. 1100296;1428977449;asciilifeform;the 'redphone', etc. idiocy was not -planned- as a boondoggle requiring eternal injections of qe-tronium to function. 1100297;1428977475;asciilifeform;it only turned into this because the folks on the subway (yes, it was advertised in d.c. subway!) really did not give half a rat's arse about crypto of -whatever- kind 1100298;1428977498;asciilifeform;(do you know what it costs to advertise in every single car of the d.c. subway?) 1100299;1428977500;trinque;this makes some sense 1100300;1428977524;trinque;how would they pull off "crypto == terrorists" if no one understands the first term 1100301;1428977544;ben_vulpes;provincia pagos sent my reciprocity fee system password in plaintext again 1100302;1428977547;asciilifeform;my hypothesis has the appeal of being... testable. 1100303;1428977554;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: of course plaintext, l0l 1100304;1428977565;ben_vulpes;and i can only be male or female?! 1100305;1428977568;ben_vulpes;what kind of repression is this 1100306;1428977606;trinque;not even multiple choice I wager... the barbarians! 1100307;1428977616;williamdunne;felipelalli: I don't think your idea is that bad, but it would need to be more decentralized and based on WoT. For example asciilifeform might meet you in person and vouch that you are whom you say you are, and that your identity number is: 31231610 1100308;1428977619;ben_vulpes;there was a select field 1100309;1428977639;williamdunne;felipelalli: Its not all that new though, some other people working on something similarish 1100310;1428977648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00029449 = 2.8566 BTC [+] 1100311;1428977653;asciilifeform;williamdunne: why rely on objects created by the enemy to use against us ? 1100312;1428977671;asciilifeform;williamdunne: agents of usg can get a passport as legit as yours or mine, ten times every morning before breakfast. 1100313;1428977679;decimation;asciilifeform: snowden could have been 'legitimate' and all of what you listed would also follow 1100314;1428977696;asciilifeform;decimation: i specifically said that it does not matter where snowden came from, for this hypothesis 1100315;1428977725;asciilifeform;decimation: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100279 1100316;1428977725;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:04:53; asciilifeform: algo went as follows: 1) snowden releases (whether one believes they were controlled or spontaneous does not matter for this recipe) 1100317;1428977738;felipelalli;asciilifeform: thank you, good point, but it could be offset with the WoT where the ability to analyze a real document would be taken into account. williamdunne thank you! Nice to hear that! I was thinking about it for days! Do you know who are working on similar standard? 1100318;1428977745;williamdunne;decimation: his point was that they're creating the illusion of security through colourful iphones 1100319;1428977761;decimation;'they' 1100320;1428977775;asciilifeform;felipelalli: someone who is not a usg agent has no ability whatsoever to verify the legitimacy of any document but that of the most laughable fake 1100321;1428977776;williamdunne;felipelalli: https://github.com/MrChrisJ/World-Citizenship by working on it I mean "thinking about it" 1100322;1428977777;assbot;MrChrisJ/World-Citizenship · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCzGRf ) 1100323;1428977811;trinque;asciilifeform: they're going to need a big false flag 1100324;1428977818;williamdunne;felipelalli: read the issue section about making sure each person has but one identity 1100325;1428977826;asciilifeform;so here's what's next per the hypothesis.. 1100326;1428977856;williamdunne;felipelalli: Not sure if its a good idea or not at this point, but interesting to think about. Very hard to prove we are the sole instance of ourselves 1100327;1428977864;decimation;in the case of apple, I think it's quite likely they are honestly trying to make things secure, but are about as successful as all other 'tech' firms have been 1100328;1428977883;decimation;compromised as they are by conflicting interests to sell their customers 1100329;1428977896;asciilifeform;as the 'ban' thing unfolds, honeypots like zimmerman's which specifically sell on the point of 'l337 d00dz against nsa' will either a) quietly fade away b) somehow continue in what they presently are, in spite of supposed 'bans' 1100330;1428977902;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what about crypto-signed documents? 1100331;1428977904;trinque;decimation: I doubt US intelligence has zero assets inside apple 1100332;1428977907;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: signed with what 1100333;1428977915;felipelalli;williamdunne: very nice! thank you. 1100334;1428977929;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: key newed up on airgapped legacy machine 1100335;1428977941;williamdunne;felipelalli: welcome 1100336;1428977955;felipelalli;I know it is not perfect, but it could be useful in some situations. The point is just create that standard. 1100337;1428978006;decimation;asciilifeform: note that zimmerman is largely trading on his rep 'earned' during the 'crypto wars' 1100338;1428978024;ben_vulpes; felipelalli: someone who is not a usg agent has no ability whatsoever to verify the legitimacy of any document but that of the most laughable fake << asciilifeform re 1100339;1428978038;felipelalli;and then "follow the WoT". If MtGox for example rates my "mirror user" br-8d255152 or "U.S. gov" rates that, no one trust them anyway. 1100340;1428978071;trinque;asciilifeform: force ISPs to drop traffic not using a sanctioned key? 1100341;1428978071;trinque;skip hte devices entirely 1100342;1428978083;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: whose key ? 1100343;1428978084;asciilifeform;any connection between the name claimed in the key and the piece of dead tree signed with it, is putative and unverifiable 1100344;1428978085;asciilifeform;and the entire exercise is a mold-a-bullet-from-shit 1100345;1428978106;ben_vulpes;i speak of an ascii blob i receive over whatever channel - is this not a document? 1100346;1428978133;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the original thread concerned traditional identity papers issued by, e.g., usg 1100347;1428978151;ben_vulpes;ah 1100348;1428978154;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: so, supose you are a usg agent and everybody knows your ability, you rate 10 the user br-8d255152, even if that user had 20x -10, I'd trust in your rate. The point is just the standard. The WoT serves as a natural filter. 1100349;1428978155;ben_vulpes;well color me unlogged 1100350;1428978163;asciilifeform;and some bizarre notion of putting them to use in somehow creating trust out of the aether 1100351;1428978178;asciilifeform;felipelalli: problem is that your oracle is a liar 1100352;1428978213;asciilifeform;felipelalli: a usg agent is not a machine for verifying that this piece of paper contains the name my mother gave me. he is a machine for furthering the will of lizard hitler. 1100353;1428978236;asciilifeform;if his reptilian majesty decrees that he should tell you 'no, this fella is a fraud, his real name is mark karpeles' he will do so. 1100354;1428978238;felipelalli;i did not mean "usg agent", replace that by "specialist in documents" 1100355;1428978251;asciilifeform;felipelalli: it isn't 1943 1100356;1428978257;asciilifeform;there is no 'specialist in documents'. 1100357;1428978261;trinque;felipelalli: what's wrong with gpg key as identity? 1100358;1428978266;asciilifeform;there are folks with access to u.s. state dept. db, and folks without. 1100359;1428978276;asciilifeform;and the former divide into folks with write-access, and folks without. 1100360;1428978321;asciilifeform;trinque: this is a valuable thread - to illustrate the absurdity of even considering anything other than key as a reliable identity 1100361;1428978349;asciilifeform;sadly, i suspect that even a thousand threads like this one will not suffice in hammering the point home to the thickest 1100362;1428978381;asciilifeform;just as modern 'fire codes' did not exist until $bigint folks burned in fires inside barricaded garrets, etc 1100363;1428978498;trinque;asciilifeform: hard to grasp how incorrectly one's been taught 1100364;1428978515;asciilifeform;hm? 1100365;1428978569;trinque;say a fool staggers in and he wants to learn; where to even begin? 1100366;1428978602;trinque;meaning no offense to felipelalli, he seems to not realize that his reverence for said govt official who names and numbers the people is a mystical belief 1100367;1428978609;asciilifeform;reading the logs; reading sites such as mircea_popescu's; same as you and i did 1100368;1428978680;*;trinque nods 1100369;1428978718;felipelalli;trinque: I do not believe in any gov official. I am voluntaryist. 1100370;1428978739;felipelalli;trinque: the "doc number" is just a way to identify a user globally, but could be another thing. 1100371;1428978740;asciilifeform;felipelalli: so who issues the passports you were suggesting making use of ? god ? 1100372;1428978744;danielpbarron;!s voluntaryism 1100373;1428978745;assbot;0 results for 'voluntaryism' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=voluntaryism 1100374;1428978751;trinque;felipelalli: an observation about myself: cleaning out a headfull of shit takes time. 1100375;1428978770;asciilifeform;!s martian bank 1100376;1428978771;assbot;4 results for 'martian bank' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=martian+bank 1100377;1428978783;felipelalli;trinque: a "mirror derivated user" like br-8d255152 (deriveted from my doc) would be useful only as "INPUT". There is no output from br-8d255152. This is useful for make a blacklist of scammers that don't use OTC. It could be derivated from my full name, for example: "Felipe Micaroni Lalli"= br-89402f8d 1100378;1428978824;asciilifeform;felipelalli: one not-inaccurate way to think about 'cipherpunkian' systems such as bitcoin or wot is as attempts to emulate a kind of incorruptible god 1100379;1428978920;trinque;felipelalli: so then I lie about my name when I deal with you 1100380;1428978923;asciilifeform;felipelalli: is it unclear to you why i have no reason whatsoever to add or subtract to my belief that this is your name, from hearing this ? 1100381;1428978936;trinque;or whatever inputs create that identity hash thing 1100382;1428978948;felipelalli;trinque: yes, this is the fail asciilifeformci rises with reason. 1100383;1428978966;asciilifeform;felipelalli is still labouring under the burden of his old religion. 1100384;1428978980;trinque;^ what I put as the headful of shit 1100385;1428978993;trinque;not easy to clean; going to need the powerful stuff 1100386;1428979006;asciilifeform;if it were 1415, i say 'my name is xxxx' and 'name' in your head -means- 'what my new friend calls himself' 1100387;1428979027;felipelalli;asciilifeform: ahaha no, that is not the point. Maybe you didn't understand my initial motivation for that. 1100388;1428979029;asciilifeform;whereas today it means, to many, 'what he is called by usg' 1100389;1428979035;felipelalli;asciilifeform: you didn't understand because I didn't say. 1100390;1428979084;asciilifeform;felipelalli: you are labouring under the presumption that the ultimate arbiter of truth is that piece of paper 1100391;1428979097;asciilifeform;if only it could somehow be gotten to in a 'fair' way, etc 1100392;1428979098;asciilifeform;no? 1100393;1428979137;williamdunne;asciilifeform: I think he is really just looking for a way to make sure that each person only carries one identity, and the best way he can think of is a passport 1100394;1428979192;felipelalli;williamdunne: yes! 1100395;1428979196;felipelalli;the only flaw in this idea is that there is no reliable way to identify someone only. I understand that. But if there were, could be very useful to create blacklists. Especially in Brazil where there are many scammers that exposes all of your personal life, and we know their real names, their documents etc. 1100396;1428979198;trinque;impossible 1100397;1428979236;trinque;felipelalli: the tool to apply is a WoT, but you can't force people to identify only once 1100398;1428979247;williamdunne;It should be possible to make it more expensive to do so 1100399;1428979264;felipelalli;can be impossible, indeed. I didn't mature the idea. Maybe it is true: it could be impossible. 1100400;1428979272;trinque;it's akin to hoping no one ever lies again 1100401;1428979314;trinque;the incentive to use one identity is that your cred builds upon that name 1100402;1428979338;trinque;also should people find you using many alternate IDs, they can negrate all of them knowing this 1100403;1428979349;trinque;it's social behavior that shouldn't be policed centrally. 1100404;1428979355;asciilifeform;felipelalli, williamdunne: fella who stole, e.g., 'mtgox' db can do anything the 'legit' passport owners could do. 1100405;1428979358;asciilifeform;ergo - checkmate. 1100406;1428979368;asciilifeform;the idea is a crock of shit at the most fundamental possible level. 1100407;1428979378;asciilifeform;it is, to use the ancient term of art, 'fractally wrong' 1100408;1428979384;williamdunne;asciilifeform: hence my idea of doing in person verifications with people vouching for who you are 1100409;1428979412;asciilifeform;williamdunne: no one can verify a u.s. passport (the folks who can - won't. because they are our enemies.) 1100410;1428979422;trinque;williamdunne: who verifies? 1100411;1428979425;trinque;who stores this data 1100412;1428979426;asciilifeform;ditto any other passport or traditional document of identity. 1100413;1428979446;decimation;note that historically passports were used to keep people from leaving 1100414;1428979448;williamdunne;Who verifies the WoT? You just ignore those you don't trust 1100415;1428979462;trinque;what's the point of the ID verification aside from gpg and the wot? 1100416;1428979479;trinque;your connections on the wot and your ratings, and your pubkey *are* you 1100417;1428979493;williamdunne;trinque: The idea is that people can do reputation exit-scams because they can just move on to new idents 1100418;1428979501;williamdunne;I'm not saying its a good idea, I just think its interesting as an idea 1100419;1428979514;trinque;and as they are found out they are buried in negrate 1100420;1428979525;williamdunne;Indeed, but they move on 1100421;1428979530;williamdunne;This is about stopping them from moving on 1100422;1428979536;trinque;maybe someday you must maintain over a certain rating to deal in certain spheres of influence 1100423;1428979543;asciilifeform;williamdunne: Who verifies the WoT? << no one but -you-, the user. and your experiences. 1100424;1428979555;williamdunne;asciilifeform: That was the point I made;) 1100425;1428979561;asciilifeform;this entire thread concerns something as ill-conceived as perpetuum mobile 1100426;1428979564;trinque;there are societal benefits to maintaining good rating 1100427;1428979568;asciilifeform;which attempts to extract energy from nothing 1100428;1428979577;trinque;I mean... this is no different than life 1100429;1428979581;asciilifeform;in much the same way, you cannot extract trustworthiness from the aether 1100430;1428979582;trinque;*life without a WoT 1100431;1428979588;felipelalli;asciilifeform: I am convinced the idea is broken at the point where you can not identify someone accurately. This could easily lead to injustice. But I will try more mature the idea. williamdunne raises a good point: if you follow the WoT, maybe someone is "good" or "trustful" to identify others. 1100432;1428979590;trinque;the wot just makes it quantified 1100433;1428979615;trinque;if I take a big shit in every business deal I'm ever a part of, I'll either outsmart everyone and win, or the shit's going to catch up to me 1100434;1428979640;trinque;neither wots, cops or gods can prevent the former, and the latter's easier to do with a WoT 1100435;1428979692;decimation;felipelalli: who spoke of justice? 1100436;1428979706;decimation;what's a jury trial other than having your wot judge your actions? 1100437;1428979737;decimation;or at least, the facts 1100438;1428979739;williamdunne;A group of people you don't know without the full information deciding whether or not to lock you in a cage? 1100439;1428979755;decimation;who else? 1100440;1428979763;decimation;some distant bureaucrat? 1100441;1428979768;williamdunne;The judge, the jury, and the exucutioner 1100442;1428979801;felipelalli;decimation: I said injustice in the meaning of someone uses a fake ID to blacklist someone unduly, just that. 1100443;1428979820;decimation;felipelalli: that's a fact for a jury to decide upon 1100444;1428979838;felipelalli;well, thanks asciilifeform trinque decimation and williamdunne - I have to go take my wife, bye! 1100445;1428979844;decimation;good evening 1100446;1428979855;williamdunne;felipelalli: enjoy 1100447;1428979860;trinque;felipelalli: have a nice eve 1100448;1428979865;felipelalli;:) 1100449;1428979890;decimation;williamdunne: exactly, presumably the point of the jury was that they were able to judge the credibility of the witnesses because they knew them 1100450;1428980220;decimation;as 'la wik' says: "Medieval juries were self-informing, in that individuals were chosen as jurors because they either knew the parties and the facts, or they had the duty to discover them. This spared the government the cost of fact-finding" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_trial#cite_ref-14 1100451;1428980221;assbot;Jury trial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8DKdp ) 1100452;1428980275;asciilifeform;medieval juries also did not concern themselves with day-to-day idiocies. 1100453;1428980333;decimation;nope. as the magna carta says: "For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way, a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and a husbandman the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the 1100454;1428980335;decimation;assessment on oath of reputable men of the neighbourhood." 1100455;1428980340;decimation;^wot 1100456;1428980342;trinque;makes me think of assembling someone's L1 to judge him someday 1100457;1428980369;trinque;decimation: now they deprive you of your livelihood before you ever reach the courthouse 1100458;1428980375;trinque;progress! 1100459;1428980576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00029457 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {3} 1100460;1428980942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15942 @ 0.00029732 = 4.7399 BTC [+] {2} 1100461;1428981003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9908 @ 0.00030098 = 2.9821 BTC [+] 1100462;1428981077;williamdunne;But they don't just deprive you of your livelihood, they also strip you of your reputation and in many cases remove your ability to defend it. 1100463;1428981175;decimation;and then they steal your "you were stole from" 1100464;1428981870;felipelalli;asciilifeform: in the car I was thinking about a solution and I think I found it: what if the "derivated mirrored user" was just an ID of a social network like Facebook or Twitter? Before strike me, let me explain my motivation: 1100465;1428981918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00028949 = 7.5846 BTC [-] {2} 1100466;1428981961;mats;plz don't 1100467;1428981981;felipelalli;ok, forget it. 1100468;1428982125;mats;http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2015/04/a-tale-of-two-exploits.html 1100469;1428982127;assbot;Project Zero: A Tale of Two Exploits ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYQOR3 ) 1100470;1428982149;trinque;felipelalli: the WoT *is* the social network 1100471;1428982154;trinque;think about it. 1100472;1428982188;felipelalli;trinque: I know that. I am trying to convince the Brazilian community move to here, but it is being hard. The main community is still on Facebook. 1100473;1428982200;mats;interfacing the real WoT with some federated, poorly implemented imitation is a recipe for disaster 1100474;1428982228;mats;the br community doesn't deserve or want to be here, so don't bother 1100475;1428982366;asciilifeform; what if the "derivated mirrored user" was just an ID of a social network like Facebook or Twitter? Before strike me, let me explain my motivation: << what if the 'derivated mirror food' was just a turd from the local public toilet, with spices such as mustard or ketchup? Before strike me, let me explain... 1100476;1428982402;felipelalli;asciilifeform: ok :) 1100477;1428982562;felipelalli;but it would be at least funny. I'd rate the president of Brazil, the "mirror" user "twitter-dilmabr" as -10 as "scammer!" for example. 1100478;1428982584;decimation;felipelalli: understand that the 'us community' doesn't 'move to here' either 1100479;1428982591;mats;http://news.osu.edu/news/2015/04/13/emotion-reliever/ via /. 1100480;1428982592;assbot;Your pain reliever may also be diminishing your joy | News Room - The Ohio State University ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYRPbU ) 1100481;1428982654;felipelalli;decimation: you're right. But would be so cool and useful if I really could use WoT to things in day to day and not only in dreams. 1100482;1428982678;trinque;that world may never have everyone in the WoT 1100483;1428982693;trinque;and who cares? 1100484;1428982698;felipelalli;trinque: not everyone, but at least the important people to me. 1100485;1428982713;decimation;felipelalli: you have a wot not 1100486;1428982715;decimation;now 1100487;1428982723;decimation;you just haven't formalized it with crypto 1100488;1428982734;felipelalli;decimation: yes, but no ones really knows me personally. 1100489;1428982744;felipelalli;ah! 1100490;1428982746;decimation;I mean, your friends in the flesh 1100491;1428982753;felipelalli;yes, you say "WoT of real life" :) 1100492;1428982759;trinque;felipelalli: if you want to say something about your president, put it in the deedbot 1100493;1428982789;trinque;the point when saying something about a person of obvious identity is identifying the *author*, not him 1100494;1428982796;asciilifeform;methinks felipelalli is expressing the traditional frustration of the 3 to 6 month n00b to #b-a: 1100495;1428982798;trinque;everybody can easily find out who you mean 1100496;1428982811;trinque;asciilifeform: I was utterly mindfucked for the majority of the time I first spent here 1100497;1428982815;asciilifeform;that is: not being able to move to the flying sand castle quite yet. 1100498;1428982856;felipelalli;trinque: it's true! deedbot solves the blacklist problem, I think. 1100499;1428982875;asciilifeform;hydrogen can lift around 1 g / 1 L. 1100500;1428982878;williamdunne;trinque: I was mindfucked for the past 12 months or so, but I didn't dive in and read blogs etc first 1100501;1428982887;trinque;felipelalli: "this guy that uses these handles scammed me; here's the transaction on the blockchain, blah blah" 1100502;1428982892;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu's atomic dirigible has not very much room for friends 1100503;1428982896;trinque;here's correspondance 1100504;1428982908;asciilifeform;(if you want to be considered, my understanding is - be young and female) 1100505;1428982910;asciilifeform;(TM) 1100506;1428982917;trinque;I'll take a bunker 1100507;1428982926;trinque;with some old laptops and cans of beans 1100508;1428982941;asciilifeform;i'll take a tomb 1100509;1428982950;asciilifeform;(counts as bunker? doesn't need laptop, l0l) 1100510;1428982955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00028813 = 7.3185 BTC [-] 1100511;1428982976;trinque;asciilifeform: sure to be unpestered there, until the graveyard is paved 1100512;1428983119;asciilifeform;in other, unrelated news, 1100513;1428983127;asciilifeform;the house across from mine, was emptied by burglars last night. 1100514;1428983163;decimation;were the criminals unknown to the victims? 1100515;1428983180;asciilifeform;idk 1100516;1428983214;trinque;guns, get 'em, love 'em 1100517;1428983224;trinque;I'm sure I don't have to tell anyone here that 1100518;1428983224;asciilifeform;burgle'em ? 1100519;1428983236;trinque;nah bungle the burgle 1100520;1428983241;decimation;eh, I'm not sure guns are the answer 1100521;1428983260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00028733 = 5.488 BTC [-] {2} 1100522;1428983267;decimation;ultimately the answer is: don't live where the democratic police are in power 1100523;1428983283;decimation;and I mean small 'd' 1100524;1428983291;trinque;I think it's essential to know how to operate weapons no matter who is in power 1100525;1428983299;*;trinque is off for a bit 1100526;1428983444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00030098 = 1.1588 BTC [+] 1100527;1428983530;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/EP3wwzA.jpg << policeman who told about this. 1100528;1428983530;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYTTR1 ) 1100529;1428983581;asciilifeform;mentioned that 'computers were stolen, no sign of break-in, perhaps insider' 1100530;1428983696;asciilifeform;trinque: we have (for the most part) burglars here, rather than robbers. they wait until owner is out. 1100531;1428983704;williamdunne;asciilifeform: I saw you tear the Entropy apart a-while-back, did they fix your main concerns? 1100532;1428983710;asciilifeform;? 1100533;1428983723;williamdunne;!s mycelium 1100534;1428983724;assbot;62 results for 'mycelium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mycelium 1100535;1428983734;asciilifeform;i neither expect a 'fix', nor give a damn 1100536;1428983764;asciilifeform;when using serious crypto, i employ only rng constructed personally 1100537;1428983794;asciilifeform;(it will be made available to others, in due time.) 1100538;1428983796;asciilifeform;!s s.nsa 1100539;1428983797;assbot;388 results for 's.nsa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.nsa 1100540;1428983815;asciilifeform;several other folks here also use rng of own design and/or construction. 1100541;1428983850;williamdunne;Oh sure, I'm definitely looking forward to your product - but also like paper wallets 1100542;1428983866;asciilifeform;williamdunne: in case this was not clear - i do not design or build bitcoin wallets. 1100543;1428983879;williamdunne;Yes I know 1100544;1428983891;williamdunne;s.nsa is doing the USB GPG tool, correct? 1100545;1428983896;asciilifeform;among other items 1100546;1428983999;ben_vulpes; asciilifeform: I was utterly mindfucked for the majority of the time I first spent here << heh i remember this 1100547;1428984003;asciilifeform;incidentally, now is the time when i say, to interested readers, that i do not presently consider myself qualified to build a bitcoin 'wallet.' not because i do not understand how they must work at least as well as anyone else - but because of the 'skin in the game' problem. 1100548;1428984018;asciilifeform;i cannot personally jump with that particular parachute from any kind of meaningful height 1100549;1428984028;asciilifeform;if had serious coin - a different matter. 1100550;1428984083;asciilifeform;just as i will not undertake to build a space suit. 1100551;1428984095;asciilifeform;(who will take my space suit seriously, and why) 1100552;1428984105;ben_vulpes;who takes satoshi's? 1100553;1428984117;asciilifeform;satoshi got to drop his from ufo 1100554;1428984122;asciilifeform;no one else gets to do this. 1100555;1428984132;decimation;asciilifeform: well I would give the cop credit, at least he knocked on door and said something 1100556;1428984141;asciilifeform;decimation: it is traditional in these parts 1100557;1428984148;asciilifeform;for a burglary to be proclaimed in this way. 1100558;1428984250;decimation;asciilifeform: one problem with renting is that it is difficult to modify the house for security systems 1100559;1428984263;ben_vulpes;chetty: can i get a favor from you in exchange? 1100560;1428984282;asciilifeform;decimation: very easy, actually, but most contracts around here demand that you give 'improvements' to the landlord for free 1100561;1428984306;asciilifeform;which is to say, if you build a $widget into the house and then tear it out, and leave holes, he can charge you a nominal cost of cement for the holes. 1100562;1428984354;asciilifeform;the fella i'm renting from now, lives on opposite end of continent, and never comes here. he will only bill for holes etc. if next tenant complains about them 1100563;1428984378;decimation;heh sounds reasonable 1100564;1428984380;ben_vulpes;;;later tell chetty i'd be much obliged if you could procure me a phone and a sim - the cheapest that makes and receives calls will be more than adequate 1100565;1428984380;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1100566;1428984396;ben_vulpes;;;later tell chetty no obligation though, i'm still bringing your seaweed 1100567;1428984396;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1100568;1428984425;asciilifeform;l0l, why ben_vulpes even needs a phone 1100569;1428984440;ben_vulpes;have you no imagination, man? 1100570;1428984463;*;asciilifeform brought phone last time, did not use for anything useful 1100571;1428984477;asciilifeform;friends were right in the airport, waving 1100572;1428984506;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: confirmed for imaginationless except in regards to his own means of death 1100573;1428984515;asciilifeform;eh can imagine. 1100574;1428984522;asciilifeform;but l0lz 1100575;1428984581;*;asciilifeform to pet: 'if i go to the bottom of the sea, push this button...' 1100576;1428984671;ben_vulpes;surely not the self destruct under the boulder trap... 1100577;1428984765;decimation;no, it's behind the fake rock 1100578;1428984785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00030098 = 1.0233 BTC [+] 1100579;1428984787;williamdunne;Mine is behind a hard place 1100580;1428985700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14496 @ 0.00029528 = 4.2804 BTC [-] 1100581;1428987164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00029405 = 1.6761 BTC [-] 1100582;1428987957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14460 @ 0.00030068 = 4.3478 BTC [+] {2} 1100583;1428988754;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/04/olivier-janssens-bitcoin-floundation-out-of-money-hates-transparency/#comment-18066 << for those interested in following the latest victim of my and mp's vitriol. 1100584;1428988754;assbot;Olivier Janssens: Bitcoin Floundation Out Of Money, Hates Transparency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIWbii ) 1100585;1428988795;pete_dushenski;http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-supporters-post-cartoon-depicting-obama-beheading/ << and it looks like isis beat la serenissima to the punch! 1100586;1428988796;assbot;IS supporters post cartoon depicting Obama beheading | The Times of Israel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIWhXg ) 1100587;1428988837;pete_dushenski;though isis calls him 'the mule of the jooz' 1100588;1428988912;pete_dushenski;which, if he's the mule of socialism, and of the braindamaged jewry extant after that most abysmal intellectual 'cleansing', i can sorta see it 1100589;1428989017;pete_dushenski;'jooz' having lost its former lustre in this case, however, and now being a synonym for idiotic equalitarians. 1100590;1428989045;pete_dushenski;no more does the term mean 'cultured' or 'worldly' it seems 1100591;1428989147;pete_dushenski;or mebbe it never did, at least not for the less refined desert tribes. 1100592;1428990336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00029405 = 3.8962 BTC [-] 1100593;1428991068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00028693 = 3.3858 BTC [-] 1100594;1428991373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20594 @ 0.00028765 = 5.9239 BTC [+] {2} 1100595;1428992166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00028693 = 7.0872 BTC [-] 1100596;1428993508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10620 @ 0.00028696 = 3.0475 BTC [+] {2} 1100597;1428995155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00028693 = 6.7285 BTC [-] 1100598;1428996741;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch 1100599;1428996814;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch 1100600;1428996926;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/fenton-replaces-murck-as-vessenes-foundation-pivots-again/ 1100601;1428996927;assbot;Fenton Replaces Murck as Vessenes Foundation Pivots Again | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FEjpIA ) 1100602;1428996927;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/fenton-replaces-murck-as-vessenes-foundation-pivots-again/ 1100603;1428997168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9938 @ 0.00029283 = 2.9101 BTC [+] 1100604;1428999059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00029283 = 2.3134 BTC [+] 1100605;1428999852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00029386 = 3.6733 BTC [+] {2} 1100606;1429000340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9537 @ 0.00028693 = 2.7365 BTC [-] 1100607;1429001194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8841 @ 0.00028693 = 2.5367 BTC [-] 1100608;1429001865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24420 @ 0.00029502 = 7.2044 BTC [+] {2} 1100609;1429003146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9112 @ 0.00028693 = 2.6145 BTC [-] 1100610;1429003329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00028693 = 4.347 BTC [-] 1100611;1429003577;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100257 << threading is apparently hard. 1100612;1429003577;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 01:56:44; ben_vulpes: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392073 1100613;1429003612;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100266 << no, it's obvious. it's also obvious that they're not getting it. 1100614;1429003612;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:00:37; asciilifeform: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099925 << do i need to explain what the resurrection of 'key escrow' idiocy from '90s (clinton's! to go right along with the new clinton!) means from the meta-nsa school of thought? or is it already obvious to aficionados 1100615;1429003637;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/04/judge-preet-bhararas-brinkmanship-endangers-fair-trials/ << i lold. 1100616;1429003637;assbot;Judge: Preet Bharara's Brinkmanship Endangers Fair Trials | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTrirY ) 1100617;1429003686;mircea_popescu;"In this case, the U.S. Attorney, while castigating politicians in Albany for playing fast and loose with the ethical rules that govern their conduct, strayed so close to the edge of the rules governing his own conduct that Defendant Sheldon Silver has a non-frivolous argument that he fell over the edge to the Defendants prejudice." 1100618;1429003897;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100283 << the odd reason being that the whole fucking plan was stupid to begin with ? it relied on the insane theory that everyone's the intellectual captive of the usg dreamsilk. 1100619;1429003897;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:06:27; asciilifeform: but for some odd reason (3) did not happen. 1100620;1429003915;mircea_popescu;meanwhile : the people who are competent never cared what the usg was putting out, and have and use functional solutions that don't involve it. 1100621;1429003936;mircea_popescu;the people who are incompetent also never cared what the usg was putting out, and have and use convenient solutions that mostly also don't involve it 1100622;1429003940;mircea_popescu;(generally - doing nothing). 1100623;1429003991;mircea_popescu;usg went in the middle and lost, there being no middle. but this is funny, psychologically, because : all socialisms always live by fleecing the middle class. for all the verbiage, it's the "kulak" that supported the soviets, not the filthy rich capitalist dudes. 1100624;1429004018;mircea_popescu;the problem with this is that as the socialism progresses, the middle class dies out. because socialism is societal cancer, it just burns the fat and dies. 1100625;1429004038;mircea_popescu;but, amusingly, no socialism to date, no matter it's (always on, anyway) claims to sophistication EVER realised that hte middle is finite. 1100626;1429004040;mircea_popescu;and so... 1100627;1429004147;mircea_popescu;"nobody on easter island realised that if we cut down all the trees on easter island there won't be anyting left, on easter island". 1100628;1429004175;mircea_popescu;and yes, sucks for the remnant of teh middle class, obviously. which, i suppose, is a good summary of a large chunk of "what to do" discussions here. 1100629;1429004340;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100288 << you completely misunderstand what this wot thing is. 1100630;1429004340;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:07:49; felipelalli: in this way, anyone could rate scammers and it would be useful for all services like exchanges and everything. 1100631;1429004406;mircea_popescu;blockexplorer.com : ERROR: unknown (Most likely my bitcoind stopped working or this page is too large/complex.) 1100632;1429004415;mircea_popescu;and blockchain.info is also not coming up for me 1100633;1429004425;mircea_popescu;;;isup blockchain.info 1100634;1429004428;gribble;blockchain.info is up 1100635;1429004430;mircea_popescu;hm. 1100636;1429004468;mircea_popescu;"Maximum concurrent requests for this endpoint reached. Please try again shortly." 1100637;1429004472;mircea_popescu;does not really count as up 1100638;1429004594;williamdunne;;;isup blockr.io 1100639;1429004595;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100298 << you mean, what'd they defraud you out of ? or what it actually costs ? 1100640;1429004595;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:11:38; asciilifeform: (do you know what it costs to advertise in every single car of the d.c. subway?) 1100641;1429004595;gribble;blockr.io is up 1100642;1429004600;williamdunne;That one is pretty good 1100643;1429004603;mircea_popescu;it actually costs like 50 bux 1100644;1429004693;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100301 << duh. 1100645;1429004693;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:12:24; ben_vulpes: provincia pagos sent my reciprocity fee system password in plaintext again 1100646;1429004765;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100317 << there is no such thing as a "real" document. the reason it's a document in the first palce is BECAUSE ITS NOT REAL. it's a convention! 1100647;1429004765;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:15:38; felipelalli: asciilifeform: thank you, good point, but it could be offset with the WoT where the ability to analyze a real document would be taken into account. williamdunne thank you! Nice to hear that! I was thinking about it for days! Do you know who are working on similar standard? 1100648;1429004780;mircea_popescu;conventions between you and X may matter, to you, to X, to people who know you, or X, or both. 1100649;1429004797;mircea_popescu;declarations of pretenders to sovereignity like the brazilian government matter... to it. not to me. 1100650;1429004826;mircea_popescu;it can make all the passports it wants, ima credit someone on the basis of that as much as i'd credit someone presenting a reader's digest letter. 1100651;1429004912;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100326 << actually trivial. 1100652;1429004912;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:17:36; williamdunne: felipelalli: Not sure if its a good idea or not at this point, but interesting to think about. Very hard to prove we are the sole instance of ourselves 1100653;1429004934;williamdunne;How would you go about it? 1100654;1429004950;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100329 << yeah, because mysteriously o'brien is where you go for the supersikrit goldstein biography. logic. 1100655;1429004950;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:18:16; asciilifeform: as the 'ban' thing unfolds, honeypots like zimmerman's which specifically sell on the point of 'l337 d00dz against nsa' will either a) quietly fade away b) somehow continue in what they presently are, in spite of supposed 'bans' 1100656;1429004955;mircea_popescu;williamdunne make a gpg signature. 1100657;1429004984;williamdunne;While I understand the point you're trying to make, I don't think that was the answer he was looking for 1100658;1429005012;williamdunne;He meant one set of hands, not one identity 1100659;1429005020;mircea_popescu;he wasn't looking for any answer. he was trying to shoehorn disorganised remains of broken history into the future. as he keeps trying to do this he'll figure it out. 1100660;1429005046;williamdunne;Sure, and I think he discovered that from the conversation 1100661;1429005059;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, it's easy to maintain sole access over an identity, and pointless to discuss whether that is your only identity. 1100662;1429005081;mircea_popescu;obviously it wouldn't be. if you're a waiter and you get married now you're a waiter and a husband. big whoop. 1100663;1429005155;mircea_popescu;the idea that you even care about "alt identities" is pure totalitarianism, about on the level of a "forum mod" trying to "enforce forum rules" with "bans". rank nonsense. the way it goes is the other way : only let people in that have a business in. 1100664;1429005166;mircea_popescu;the insanity of the aol internet turned all sense on its head. 1100665;1429005248;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100337 << my face dropped when i read some piece of his (a year or two before becoming a speaking head for the govt) when he was going "oh, i lost my original pgp key long ago, it's too hard to use hurr durr" 1100666;1429005248;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:20:06; decimation: asciilifeform: note that zimmerman is largely trading on his rep 'earned' during the 'crypto wars' 1100667;1429005393;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100361 << i would be really scared if one day i woke up in a world where "everyone" understood anything. even the most minute, basic point. 1100668;1429005393;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:25:49; asciilifeform: sadly, i suspect that even a thousand threads like this one will not suffice in hammering the point home to the thickest 1100669;1429005422;mircea_popescu;then i'd throw up, likely, because fucking hell now i have to reconsider the "no universal human quality" pillar of thought. 1100670;1429005441;mircea_popescu;i want to reconsider that about as much as windows user wants to compile from source. 1100671;1429005654;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100378 << morally neutral god of all knowledge ? interesting, incidentally, that the price the various jewish groups (including xtians) had to pay for the "church-state" frankenstein was overloading the correct notion of god with the notion of a "correct" god. only once god knew all AND GAVE A SHIT ABOUT THE KING'S WILL was there to be mandatory churchgoing and burning of 1100672;1429005654;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:33:44; asciilifeform: felipelalli: one not-inaccurate way to think about 'cipherpunkian' systems such as bitcoin or wot is as attempts to emulate a kind of incorruptible god 1100673;1429005654;mircea_popescu; native huts. 1100674;1429005790;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1100675;1429005794;gribble;Current Blocks: 352078 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 721 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48453653786.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.0077 1100676;1429005825;mircea_popescu;oook there's some massive forkage going on 1100677;1429005843;mircea_popescu;i see 352078 on some systems 1100678;1429005890;mats;o.O 1100679;1429005899;mircea_popescu;ah nm. i misread "next diff" block lol 1100680;1429005976;mircea_popescu;still, the mempool is split or something. 1100681;1429006062;mircea_popescu;i see subsets of dozens of otherwise well connected nodes not knowing of txn back and forth 1100682;1429006111;mircea_popescu;actually, it seems to be resolving. that was a very spooky 5 minutes up there. 1100683;1429006602;mircea_popescu;" Especially in Brazil where there are many scammers that exposes all of your personal life, and we know their real names, their documents etc." << aaaand this isn't indication that it really doesn't work ? 1100684;1429006625;mircea_popescu;i mean i get it, this has become the surogate closure for the internet horde, "o no, here is his real name". mmmkay... 1100685;1429006735;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100418 << if this works, the reputation was incorrectly trusted. 1100686;1429006735;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:45:01; williamdunne: I'm not saying its a good idea, I just think its interesting as an idea 1100687;1429006770;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100422 << yeah. that day being 2013 or w/e b-a went to +m eh. 1100688;1429006770;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:45:36; trinque: maybe someday you must maintain over a certain rating to deal in certain spheres of influence 1100689;1429006884;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100429 << quite. i suppose the trust <=> energy analogy is pretty good. trust is also in a very similar relation to sound money, ie, sure "people" (subhumans, really) can "create trust out of nothing". this is about as relevant to actual trust as freshly printed usd are to money. 1100690;1429006884;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:46:21; asciilifeform: in much the same way, you cannot extract trustworthiness from the aether 1100691;1429006931;mircea_popescu;in fact, the ability of a user to create pseudo-trust out of nothing, just like the "ability" of a perpetuum mobile to extract energy out of the void, just like the "ability" of a government to print money are the same thing, really : the degrading macula of subhumanity. 1100692;1429007016;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100436 "jury of peers" eh. myeah. 1100693;1429007016;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:48:26; decimation: what's a jury trial other than having your wot judge your actions? 1100694;1429007088;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100440 << amusingly enough in japan jury trials were (and perhaps still to some degree are) very dimly regarded. people thought that someone willing to cast his fortune on the disinterested call of a dozen uninformed people rather than have a specialist handle it could not possibly have any sort of case. 1100695;1429007088;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:49:23; decimation: some distant bureaucrat? 1100696;1429007103;mircea_popescu;"the only reason you want the jury is because you hope to trick it with things a judge wouldn't fall for." 1100697;1429007387;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100452 << they were also how salem witch trials happened. actually, their reliable idiocy is why no noble would have EVER considered either submitting to such a jury, or condemning another noble. 1100698;1429007387;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 02:57:55; asciilifeform: medieval juries also did not concern themselves with day-to-day idiocies. 1100699;1429007433;chetty;one of the good reasons for jury hasn't really been used ...nullification of bad law 1100700;1429007449;mircea_popescu;actually the only useful function of a jury these days. 1100701;1429007465;mircea_popescu;but see, the same people who can't be bothered to crypto anything... can't be bothered to nullify anything either. too much work. 1100702;1429007506;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, imagine how the place looked after ows was done with it ? all the discarded packaging etc ? this was supposedly a group of civically-minded folks. 1100703;1429007520;mircea_popescu;"tax the rich so you can clean up the mess we made! of this sidewalk and of our lives!" 1100704;1429007538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00030098 = 3.0399 BTC [+] 1100705;1429007592;williamdunne;not to mention that the jury almost always considers law over morality 1100706;1429007652;mircea_popescu;sadly. 1100707;1429007659;mircea_popescu;but hey, it's emotionally cheaper for them. 1100708;1429007677;williamdunne;It would be tragic if they had to do some thinking 1100709;1429007679;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100467 << your motivations do not matter. not in this case, not in any other case. 1100710;1429007679;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 03:26:21; felipelalli: ok, forget it. 1100711;1429007721;mircea_popescu;williamdunne yes, it would be. it'd make it possible to be wrong, and then guilty. which is the main reason the law as a construct even exists : save people that. 1100712;1429007768;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100472 << well when you're done with that would you please move on to convincing ugly women to be beautiful instead ? 1100713;1429007768;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 03:29:48; felipelalli: trinque: I know that. I am trying to convince the Brazilian community move to here, but it is being hard. The main community is still on Facebook. 1100714;1429007785;mircea_popescu;i like the way this guy selects tasks for himself. 1100715;1429007997;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100481 << the solution is probably to move your day-to-day. 1100716;1429007997;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 03:37:34; felipelalli: decimation: you're right. But would be so cool and useful if I really could use WoT to things in day to day and not only in dreams. 1100717;1429008028;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100488 << well, come to the conference next year, some people will know you. 1100718;1429008028;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 03:38:54; felipelalli: decimation: yes, but no ones really knows me personally. 1100719;1429008077;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100494 << hehe yep totally. 1100720;1429008077;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 03:39:56; asciilifeform: methinks felipelalli is expressing the traditional frustration of the 3 to 6 month n00b to #b-a: 1100721;1429008088;mircea_popescu;but i must say he's like the cutest one to date. 1100722;1429008240;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100504 << looky here, I have no doubt i could probably pass some "new bitcoin country" real estate scam or other. i do not wish to. this, deliberately, and upon consideration, and against what random idiot may interpret as my patrimonial interest. 1100723;1429008240;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 03:41:48; asciilifeform: (if you want to be considered, my understanding is - be young and female) 1100724;1429008267;mircea_popescu;i am simply not interested in that sort of centralisation. i also think it's stupid, and self-defeating, and in no way different from you know, making gossipd on windows vista. 1100725;1429008298;mircea_popescu;yes, i may consider young females for education, but that is neither here nor there. i did that before bitcoin, for that matter. 1100726;1429008629;mircea_popescu;since mats brought it up : yeah, currently people can't audit bitbet's reserves. this is unfortunate, but i'm not going to do anything about it. 1100727;1429008652;mircea_popescu;auditing in bitcoin works like it works - sorta halfway. 1100728;1429008759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00029027 = 3.3526 BTC [-] 1100729;1429008845;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100530 << on which line, trinque you'd seriously shoot a burglar ? and i don't mean shoot them in the head, just, one to the kneecap for good measure. seems to me woefully excessive. the... only time i was in a situation of that nature the dudes beat the shit out of the guy and i thought it was excessive even for the time and place. 1100730;1429008845;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 03:54:56; asciilifeform: trinque: we have (for the most part) burglars here, rather than robbers. they wait until owner is out. 1100731;1429009058;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100564 << you want it, you got it. vip treatment beotch!!1 1100732;1429009058;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 04:06:20; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell chetty i'd be much obliged if you could procure me a phone and a sim - the cheapest that makes and receives calls will be more than adequate 1100733;1429009125;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100572 << bwhahaha. 1100734;1429009125;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 04:08:26; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: confirmed for imaginationless except in regards to his own means of death 1100735;1429009143;mircea_popescu;alf : he just wants to hook up with local whores from the convenience of his own home. internets ftw! 1100736;1429009207;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100585 << but obama's main selling point is that he's tall and hansome. why ruin a beautiful thing ? 1100737;1429009207;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 05:19:55; pete_dushenski: http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-supporters-post-cartoon-depicting-obama-beheading/ << and it looks like isis beat la serenissima to the punch! 1100738;1429009315;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100590 << im not aware at any point the term meant cultured or wordly for anyone. perhaps as an insider thing, like people in daytime tv drama for young women seem to think this about themselves ? 1100739;1429009315;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 05:24:05; pete_dushenski: no more does the term mean 'cultured' or 'worldly' it seems 1100740;1429009917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.0002912 = 6.7122 BTC [+] {2} 1100741;1429010344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00029426 = 2.5601 BTC [+] {2} 1100742;1429011137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7698 @ 0.00030098 = 2.3169 BTC [+] 1100743;1429012784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00030098 = 1.6704 BTC [+] 1100744;1429014365;mats;6:50:29 <+mircea_popescu> since mats brought it up : yeah, currently people can't audit bitbet's reserves. this is unfortunate, but i'm not going to do anything about it. << i was going a bit crazy auditing the code, thought id bungled it somehow 1100745;1429014404;mircea_popescu;nah you're fine, kako verified it. from what can be seen publicly bitbet is short like 400 btc. 1100746;1429014411;mircea_popescu;this is not actually true, but hey. 1100747;1429014431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9164 @ 0.00028733 = 2.6331 BTC [-] 1100748;1429014643;nubbins`;asciilifeform:mentioned that 'computers were stolen, no sign of break-in, perhaps insider' <<< alf, the lizards struck the wrong house! did you replace your locks? 1100749;1429014751;nubbins`;mircea_popescu:i want to reconsider that about as much as windows user wants to compile from source. <<< i recall hearty lels when whatever chunk of windows source code came out 1100750;1429014765;mircea_popescu;mhm 1100751;1429014777;nubbins`;there was one comment in the code for notepad.exe: /* is this even supposed to be here? */ 1100752;1429014786;nubbins`;my sides 1100753;1429014827;nubbins`;30 years in the wild and the source code says "should this bit be here?" 1100754;1429014864;nubbins`;mircea_popescu:he wasn't looking for any answer. he was trying to shoehorn disorganised remains of broken history into the future. as he keeps trying to do this he'll figure it out. <<< "you can't bribe the future with nostalgia" 1100755;1429014902;mircea_popescu;hehe 1100756;1429014904;nubbins`; (general lels) <<< it's okay, you're still new 1100757;1429015103;nubbins`;http://www.womenscryptoassociation.com/leadership/ 1100758;1429015104;assbot;Founding Members | Women's Crypto Association ... ( http://bit.ly/1aqRItP ) 1100759;1429015117;nubbins`;my goodness, another gallippi 1100760;1429015197;nubbins`;http://www.womenscryptoassociation.com/staff-member/tatiana-moroz/ 1100761;1429015199;assbot;Tatiana Moroz | Women's Crypto Association ... ( http://bit.ly/1aqS0RE ) 1100762;1429015211;nubbins`;i clicked on that one so i could chuckle about why she's randomly holding a guitar 1100763;1429015219;nubbins`;turns out i guess she can play it, but dat bio 1100764;1429015262;nubbins`;i had to make sure i wasn't on womensguitarassociation.com 1100765;1429015289;nubbins`;"Her latest projects consist of the creation of Tatiana Coin, the first ever artist cryptocurrency" WHAT ABOUT COINYE WEST?! 1100766;1429015292;mircea_popescu;well as long as it's an association 1100767;1429015293;mircea_popescu;right ? 1100768;1429015330;mircea_popescu;low level scamming, "i'ma call this empty jar MONEY and wait for idiots to deposit". 1100769;1429015349;nubbins`;"i always carry an empty cup, just in case" 1100770;1429015382;nubbins`;i came across this website while trying to figure out why Ploshay's appearance is somewhat unsettling to me 1100771;1429015594;nubbins`;still not sure i can pinpoint it... but have you ever met someone for whom photographs exist outside of time and space? 1100772;1429015634;nubbins`;like, they just got their knee kicked out by an angry horse, but if a lens swivelled their way, they'd muster up a winning smile? 1100773;1429015928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... looky here, I have no doubt i could probably pass some "new bitcoin country" real estate scam or other. i do not wish to. this, deliberately, and upon consideration, and against what random idiot may interpret as my patrimonial interest. << leads into the mega-question - what is the opposite of a real estate scam? or is this like the maxwellian hypothetical 'monopole magnet', where you have a mystery alien 1100774;1429015928;asciilifeform;meat with no opposite ? 1100775;1429015954;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1100776;1429016003;mats;fwiw the MIT undergrad exhibit was horrible 1100777;1429016015;mats;soo many flying machines reliant on arduinos and other garbage 1100778;1429016051;mats;how did people make flying machines before hobbyist boards?! nobody knows. 1100779;1429016054;mircea_popescu;mats but i thought you said ? 1100780;1429016078;mats;i didn't deny that there are showmen, or even hordes of them, there 1100781;1429016084;mircea_popescu;o no wait it wasn't you, some other guy was making dire warnings about how teligent mit is 1100782;1429016157;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: meant something like a 'mircea_popescu as stalin' scenario 1100783;1429016169;asciilifeform;with actual nuclear sovereignty over some geography or other 1100784;1429016175;mircea_popescu;but why would you want this ? 1100785;1429016180;asciilifeform;(meant as 'opposite of real estate scam') 1100786;1429016181;mircea_popescu;haven't we gone through enough of that ? 1100787;1429016196;mircea_popescu;no wait, make a full sentence, i have no idea what you're saying. 1100788;1429016386;*;asciilifeform wonders what mircea_popescu would do if put in command of the red army. imagines that he would order it to disperse, with no more than one man per square km, and operate only as saboteur groups. 1100789;1429016451;asciilifeform;there is such a thing as physical resources that are 1) concentrated spatially and 2) too unique to hijack like a vine hijacks tree. 1100790;1429016457;asciilifeform;example - semiconductor plant 1100791;1429016475;asciilifeform;(yes, aware that we had the 'semiconductor cuckoldry' discussion. it is nonsense if you are contemplating making something genuinely unique) 1100792;1429016476;adlai;!s beam 1100793;1429016477;assbot;49 results for 'beam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beam 1100794;1429016502;adlai;not quite. mats, familiar with "BEAM" robotics? 1100795;1429016518;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well in the abstract it is dificult to evaluate. what exactly would be the task fo this red army ? 1100796;1429016538;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whichever. let's say defeat germany3. 1100797;1429016541;adlai;"uses simple analogue circuits, such as comparators, instead of a microprocessor in order to produce an unusually simple design" 1100798;1429016550;mats;vaguely so, yes 1100799;1429016556;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you appreciate how the task to defeat germany3 is quite different from what we're doing here ? 1100800;1429016567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sold on this being so 1100801;1429016576;adlai;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flier_(BEAM) 1100802;1429016577;assbot;Flier (BEAM) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yqzNzo ) 1100803;1429016578;mircea_popescu;aha. 1100804;1429016620;mircea_popescu;i personally can't quite see how i'd manage to motivate myself to participate in yet another "we good they bad fight for great justic!!1" conflict. 1100805;1429016627;mircea_popescu;just how stupid am i supposed to be ? 1100806;1429016660;mircea_popescu;what's next, passport-based uniwot ? 1100807;1429016664;asciilifeform;l0l 1100808;1429016665;adlai;as stupid as possible, but no stupider 1100809;1429016719;mircea_popescu;no but srsly, 4chan and the internets have blown what looks like a permanent hole in the sort of deffective mental processes that are required for "patriotism" or whatever the pink-bellied shit involved in wwX was. 1100810;1429016732;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you feel altogether silly doing it ? 1100811;1429016759;adlai;oh, i'm pretty sure that trench chatter was blowing gaping holes in patriotism for longer than trenches have been cool 1100812;1429016769;mircea_popescu;right. 1100813;1429016772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the fact is, not everyone has the biography, talents, and education of a self-funding deep-cover operative; and physical sovereignty has its uses. it would not take very many 'don dunphy'ings to make #b-a very empty other than for mircea_popescu.. 1100814;1429016776;adlai;the trouble there is that you need to first have & enter trenches, for such chatter to happen 1100815;1429016803;adlai;leading to boom-and-bust cycles of patriotism... clearly, we need to regulate statism. 1100816;1429016820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im quite unconvinced of the latter. and the former reduces to... what exactly, "not everyone has the biography and talents of a computer user, windows plox" ? 1100817;1429016835;asciilifeform;adlai, mircea_popescu: 'patriotism' etc is a human plankton concept 1100818;1429016839;mircea_popescu;adlai your humour amused us. 1100819;1429016847;*;adlai will be here all week 1100820;1429016848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. 1100821;1429016869;asciilifeform;pointing out that nothing we could do, foolish or clever, could ever resolve to it. 1100822;1429016881;mircea_popescu;except we don't really participate in plankton whatever. 1100823;1429016890;asciilifeform;well yes 1100824;1429016895;mircea_popescu;be it computering or politicing or what may it be 1100825;1429016912;mircea_popescu;i mean i guess, if one feels so entertained. 1100826;1429016957;asciilifeform;i must disagree with the notion that defending a spot of geography, small and purposeful, is inescapably retarded. 1100827;1429016999;asciilifeform;i can see the perspective that 'two or more #b-a folks in a room is a target' but by that logic we ought not have conferences, no ? 1100828;1429017035;adlai;yet you'd disperse the red army? sure, disperse the offense, but how do you defend geography with individual saboteurs everywhere? 1100829;1429017055;asciilifeform;adlai: mircea_popescu does not appear to be interested in defending anything (other than own house) 1100830;1429017092;mircea_popescu;what exactly is the point of defending anything ? 1100831;1429017095;asciilifeform;but even from the standpoint of 'i only wish to destroy the lizards' it does not make sense to disperse into atomized diversantes 1100832;1429017109;nubbins`;wait, so now you don't need cruise missiles or w/e? 1100833;1429017135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's that azn fighting style where you don't particularly give a shit ? 1100834;1429017144;asciilifeform;nubbins`: in mircea_popescu's world, as i understand, every soldier is naked but for his parachute, and ought to take what he needs from the locals 1100835;1429017146;adlai;well, there's defending the self, and there's defending increasingly expanded notions of "self", until it morphes into yet another "sovereign" 1100836;1429017147;mircea_popescu;just wait patiently while oponent kicks himself against everything in sight ? 1100837;1429017155;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'ju-jitsu' ? 1100838;1429017160;mircea_popescu;w/e it may be. 1100839;1429017170;mircea_popescu;i think they're all essentially that in the end. 1100840;1429017176;adlai;jiu-jitsu is actually quite interesting 1100841;1429017183;adlai;it's focused on working against your opponent's anatomy 1100842;1429017184;asciilifeform;but real armies - even asian armies - do not fight this way. 1100843;1429017185;asciilifeform;why? 1100844;1429017190;adlai;bullets? 1100845;1429017204;nubbins`;no active conflict? 1100846;1429017222;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform REAL PROGRAMMERS DO NOT LISP LAWL YOUR ARGUMENTES INVLEAD! 1100847;1429017225;nubbins`;(s.korean soldiers -- all of them -- have blackbelt in taekwondo. to what end?) 1100848;1429017233;asciilifeform;iraq, afghan have very seriously perverted military thinking 1100849;1429017235;adlai;"These techniques were developed around the principle of using an attacker's energy against him, rather than directly opposing it." 1100850;1429017253;asciilifeform;yes, mujahedeen don't hold territory, etc. BUT THEY DON'T NEED TO BUILD FACTORIES 1100851;1429017262;asciilifeform;they are supplied externally by mega-empire(s) 1100852;1429017266;nubbins`;not yet, anyway. 1100853;1429017267;mircea_popescu;i recall this point where some derpy agent swore before the court he used excel spreadsheets to rape a db 1100854;1429017270;mircea_popescu;heck, he probably did. 1100855;1429017275;asciilifeform;it is not a closed system, to use thermodynamic parlance 1100856;1429017288;asciilifeform;and cannot be compared to closed system 1100857;1429017292;nubbins`;asciilifeform this is like saying kittens don't need to learn how to kill 1100858;1429017299;nubbins`;because they're supplied externally by teat 1100859;1429017319;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the partizan armies of iraq, afghan, etc. are like zoo cats 1100860;1429017336;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can build all your factories you want once the idiot in the room (made out of a bunch of idiots glued to each other) is dead. 1100861;1429017337;mircea_popescu;okay ? 1100862;1429017390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i haven't even envisioned solution to the problem of escaping the event horizon of the black hole resulting from the idiot's implosion 1100863;1429017397;asciilifeform;much less really contemplated factories 1100864;1429017425;asciilifeform;nor am i entirely certain that i'm not one of the folks glued together 1100865;1429017473;mircea_popescu;ok so then. 1100866;1429017505;nubbins`;you don't always realize who you're glued to until the water gets above a certain level 1100867;1429017548;asciilifeform;nubbins`: share the lsd ? 1100868;1429017564;nubbins`;asciilifeform if i can navigate the dark markets, so can you! 1100869;1429017565;asciilifeform;we salt mine folk know who we're glued to. 1100870;1429017570;asciilifeform;nubbins`: no. 1100871;1429017587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform moreovber, you know, resolving problems that are clearly past what you probably correctly call an event horizon is an exercise in derpitude. 1100872;1429017588;adlai;water dissolves glue (at least, the cheap icky "white glue" stuff); ie, say asciilifeform is part of the glued idiot mass... as it begins to implode/dissolve/etc, folks find themselves increasingly less glued 1100873;1429017589;nubbins`;twist: your across-the-street-neighbour did same 1100874;1429017632;nubbins`;the cheap icky you're referring to is PVA 1100875;1429017643;nubbins`;and i'd advance that water does not dissolve it 1100876;1429017656;asciilifeform;nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095008 << thread re: same 1100877;1429017656;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 18:05:27; ascii_field: ^ most of it, in my particular case 1100878;1429017791;nubbins`;hmm 1100879;1429017807;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i'd like to hear honest take from you, on this matter. would you say that the 20 years i spent learning to do what i do, since was a boy, a waste, like career of a bureaucrat? or does serenissima world have some use for the type of thing that i do. 1100880;1429017813;nubbins`;the prize for "most interesting line of work about which we know almost nothing" goes to... 1100881;1429017822;asciilifeform;or should i requalify as printing press mechanic, or what 1100882;1429017840;nubbins`;asciilifeform an honest take will require a bit of time, but if you've got the ears... 1100883;1429017842;adlai;asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095009 << answer re: same 1100884;1429017842;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 18:05:42; mircea_popescu: ascii_field so this would be in demand either a) by the nsa or else b) independent work a la s.nsa 1100885;1429017869;mircea_popescu;lol what're you asking him for! 1100886;1429017888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because nubbins` has this incomplete thread with me, re: 'you too can learn to be me' 1100887;1429017898;asciilifeform;i'd like to see the logical end for it 1100888;1429017899;mircea_popescu;there's a very simple heuristic to evaluate whether you're currently developing or whether you historically developped skills teh most serene republic has a need of. 1100889;1429017900;nubbins`;\o/ 1100890;1429017911;mircea_popescu;this does not involve finding the officer of serenissima hr. 1100891;1429017922;nubbins`;asciilifeform you won't get me to admit that learning things is a waste. so the facile reply is a flat-out no 1100892;1429017923;mircea_popescu;it involves an answer to the very simple q : "can you do something with it ?" 1100893;1429017923;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was a philosophical question 1100894;1429017936;mircea_popescu;if the answer's no, then you've got yourself a social study. if the answer's yes, more power to ya. 1100895;1429017947;nubbins`;the slightly less saucy reply is that you didn't learn "to do x", you learned "how to learn" 1100896;1429017969;nubbins`;which puts you (a) far ahead of most of the pack and (b) in a position to, y'know... walk away and start over whenever you like 1100897;1429017970;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the long-term question is 'can i do something with it and continue to eat.' if fiat world turns sufficiently hostile, the answer, simply based on my pre-existing work here, may be a 'no.' 1100898;1429017990;adlai;the highest bidder's exit from the auction, for reasons ranging from death to bankruptcy, doesn't mean that others aren't waiting to take his place 1100899;1429017994;mircea_popescu;yes, but the fictitious game of "may be" is by definition going to provide any anwer you seek. 1100900;1429017998;mircea_popescu;without that, there'd be no literature. 1100901;1429018042;adlai;if you're worried about getting killed because you know too much... that's your problem, for agreeing to hear too much 1100902;1429018057;asciilifeform;adlai: everyone who reads the log, 'knows too much' 1100903;1429018063;asciilifeform;including the ninjasp4mz0rz 1100904;1429018072;nubbins`;i'd also advance the opinion that one does not know quite how much one can change until one is forced to do so. while this may seem incredibly foolhardy (so much so that most people never try it), walking away with a zippo tossed over shoulder is the only way to find out. 1100905;1429018076;asciilifeform;it is not why anyone gets the gasenwagen 1100906;1429018092;asciilifeform;nubbins`: again the lsd 1100907;1429018126;*;nubbins` sighs 1100908;1429018132;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sadly he has a point. 1100909;1429018143;nubbins`;salary time 1100910;1429018170;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: his point, so far as i can surmise, is 'be theoretical physicist' 1100911;1429018183;nubbins`;wat. 1100912;1429018205;asciilifeform;welcome to being the greeks, who had spiffy thought but no engineering to speak of. 1100913;1429018218;nubbins`;my point is if you don't like riding in the clown car, get out and walk (again the lsd!) 1100914;1429018221;asciilifeform;nubbins`: walking away with a zippo tossed over shoulder is the only way to find out. 1100915;1429018230;asciilifeform;did i misunderstand the implication 1100916;1429018237;asciilifeform;nubbins`: walk where? 1100917;1429018247;nubbins`;into your new life 1100918;1429018256;asciilifeform;not enough lsd here 1100919;1429018262;asciilifeform;to comprehend what nubbins` meant. 1100920;1429018267;nubbins`;so in august 2012, i was promoted from "programmer/analyst" to "senior programmer/analyst" 1100921;1429018274;mircea_popescu;im starting to understand why religion is such a big deal. it's not that it makes any sense, it's that it provides answers to "fundamental questions of life" 1100922;1429018281;mircea_popescu;nonsense such as "walk where" 1100923;1429018297;adlai;"opiate of the masses" is not a diss 1100924;1429018301;nubbins`;great stuff, top kek. 25% discount on my home and car insurance. $500/year "wellness benefit" for new running shoes. full health and dental. 1100925;1429018302;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wasn't expecting an answer. hence answer 'not enough lsd' 1100926;1429018319;nubbins`;this came with the "huge" salary of $61,000 per annum 1100927;1429018327;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the exhortation to walk is the l0l here 1100928;1429018342;nubbins`;precisely six months after this promotion, i tendered my resignation 1100929;1429018342;mircea_popescu;im not sure i see why. 1100930;1429018363;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider the ancient discussion with TaT re women. "do you like her ? if not, get rid of her" 1100931;1429018369;nubbins`;and opted for a job with an annual salary of (checking records...) about $6,000 1100932;1429018374;mircea_popescu;the answer in his head, prolly, was "to be replaced with what" 1100933;1429018376;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: implies a woman-generator that will produce replacement 1100934;1429018386;mircea_popescu;that's how women think, srsly. 1100935;1429018424;mircea_popescu;cuz 598986907 years ago, hunter went into the forest, whereas woman only moved fat butt from current bush she plucked once someone found a new bush 1100936;1429018425;adlai;nubbins` seems content to swim, or clutch driftwood, after taking the hatchet to his yacht 1100937;1429018431;nubbins`;now, at this point, i'd like to take the opportunity to inquire as to what the general consensus is, among those present, regarding my intelligence, wisdom, and overall sensibility 1100938;1429018432;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is more like exhortation, to downed pilot in desert, 'throw out that stale water in your flask' 1100939;1429018434;nubbins`;as it's presented 1100940;1429018444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so it is. 1100941;1429018448;asciilifeform;adlai has it 1100942;1429018463;mircea_popescu;nubbins` discussions on teh side of the pool. 1100943;1429018464;nubbins`;adlai what can you do that i can't? 1100944;1429018476;asciilifeform;nubbins`: you did mention a paid-up house. so whatever the intelligence and wisdom, nubbins` is rich 1100945;1429018479;adlai;see your name highlighted when you type mine 1100946;1429018484;asciilifeform;and gets to think rich man thoughts 1100947;1429018489;nubbins`;paid-up? the bank owns this house, buddy 1100948;1429018500;nubbins`;$190k outstanding 1100949;1429018506;asciilifeform;hm 1100950;1429018515;adlai;so your driftwood is tied to the megasteamer 1100951;1429018525;*;asciilifeform recalls a thread where nubbins` spoke of having some sort of actual assets to his name 1100952;1429018528;adlai;watch out for icebergs and malfunctioning gps! 1100953;1429018543;nubbins`;$190 death-pledge and i chose $6k/yr over $61k/yr 1100954;1429018548;nubbins`;<+nubbins`> now, at this point, i'd like to take the opportunity to inquire as to what the general consensus is, among those present, regarding my intelligence, wisdom, and overall sensibility 1100955;1429018556;nubbins`;^ srsly, don't hold back 1100956;1429018568;*;asciilifeform would love to continue, but has to go mine some salt now. 1100957;1429018573;*;adlai also holds Bias in high esteem 1100958;1429018576;nubbins`;asciilifeform my greatest asset is my willingness to toss zippos over shoulders 1100959;1429018577;nubbins`;:D 1100960;1429018603;nubbins`;certainly more valuable than w/e stacks of btc, w/e piles of printing equipment, w/e meatwot 1100961;1429018632;adlai;http://latindiscussion.com/forum/latin/omnia-mea-mecum-porto.9697/#post-69125 1100962;1429018634;assbot;Omnia mea mecum porto | Latin D ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnRH7j ) 1100963;1429018634;mircea_popescu;nubbins` honestly i thought you were kinda dumb for the entire interval, but in a reserved sort of way. 1100964;1429018636;nubbins`;you may be thinking of the time where i went on about how little money i need to make in order to get by 1100965;1429018643;nubbins`;mircea_popescu aw shucks 1100966;1429018650;mircea_popescu;which then paid off when you went and fucked with installing pogoshits 1100967;1429018677;mircea_popescu;which should explain why people don't particularly wanna say anything on the topic. how the hell does one even know ? 1100968;1429018686;nubbins`;how indeed 1100969;1429018699;mircea_popescu;so stop asking the esteemed channel trick questionz. 1100970;1429018715;nubbins`;man. 1100971;1429018728;nubbins`;question was "how do i stop giving rimjob to the man" 1100972;1429018738;nubbins`;i reply "take your tongue out of his ass" and people think i'm being all flippant. 1100973;1429018770;mircea_popescu;so listen, i was once with like half a dozen teensy chicks by the side of a pool, and some were in the water and some were on the chairs. 1100974;1429018778;mircea_popescu;and they had this conversation which went on for a while. 1100975;1429018786;*;nubbins` pulls up a chair 1100976;1429018790;adlai;damnit, http://latindiscussion.com/forum/latin/omnia-mea-mecum-porto.9697/#post-107434 is a better source 1100977;1429018792;assbot;Omnia mea mecum porto | Latin D ... ( http://bit.ly/1HnSlBW ) 1100978;1429018821;mircea_popescu;nubbins` all about how and why would one go in the water, whether there's breathing, ample considerations. 1100979;1429018851;mircea_popescu;(yes this has been a teasy metaphore) 1100980;1429018863;nubbins`;so far 1100981;1429018895;nubbins`;let me guess, all the ones who jumped in the pool drowned? 1100982;1429018906;mircea_popescu;hey, i used to write great novels, but then i got promoted and now im doing 6 teasy metaphores an hour! 1100983;1429018920;mircea_popescu;no dude. they kept talking indefinitely. it's a way to pass the time. 1100984;1429018931;nubbins`;alf ^ imagine. 1100985;1429018935;mircea_popescu;how is discussion supposed to spur action ? 1100986;1429018950;nubbins`;actually unable to tell if that's a srs question. 1100987;1429018987;adlai;actually unable to tell if anybody here understands latin anymore 1100988;1429019011;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: by being persuasive ? 1100989;1429019013;mircea_popescu;adlai no, i'm aware of teh quote. 1100990;1429019027;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski being persuasive is like being tasteful. not a property of the painting. 1100991;1429019041;nubbins`;"The need to assemble is as constant among humans as the necessity of making decisions is rare. Assembling corresponds to the joy of feeling a common power. Decisions are vital only in emergency situations, where the exercise of democracy is already compromised. The rest of the time, “the democratic character of decision making” is only a problem for the fanatics of process. It’s not a matter of critiquing assemblies or abandoning them, 1100992;1429019041;nubbins`; but of liberating the speech, gestures, and interplay of beings that take place within them. We just have to see that each person comes to an assembly not only with a point of view or a motion, but with desires, attachments, capacities, forces, sadnesses and a certain disposition toward others, an openness. If we manage to set aside the fantasy of the General Assembly and replace it with an assembly of presences, if we manage to foil the 1100993;1429019041;nubbins`; constantly renewed temptation of hegemony, if we stop making the decision our final aim, then there is a chance for a kind of massification, one of those moments of collective crystallization where a decision suddenly takes hold of beings, completely or only in part." 1100994;1429019044;nubbins`;woops, sry 1100995;1429019047;adlai;well it's more towards nubbins` who seems to have trouble getting across what was said quite aptly millenia ago 1100996;1429019063;mircea_popescu;mebbe he doesn't like it. 1100997;1429019064;nubbins`;adlai break it down into one-syllable words for dumb ol' me. 1100998;1429019074;adlai;"all my shit be in my head" 1100999;1429019109;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: aha. more a property of the observer 1101000;1429019110;adlai;but srsly, read the links. it's a one paragraph story 1101001;1429019136;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski if someone's ready to i dunno, buy a new car, then he has specific questions which a forum might answer, and he's buying cart with our without forum. so forum didn't DO anything. 1101002;1429019155;mircea_popescu;if dude's not ready to buy nw car, he may talk of whatever with whoever, still no car. so forum didn';t DO anything. 1101003;1429019159;mircea_popescu;forums are not venues of action. 1101004;1429019174;mircea_popescu;which is just another way of saying that "talking about bitcoin doesn't make you part of bitcoin" 1101005;1429019178;pete_dushenski;but nor are forums the only, well, forum for discussion 1101006;1429019183;nubbins`;adlai if all your goods that matter aren't with you, when you stand naked and alone, then you're in a pretty bad way. 1101007;1429019185;mircea_popescu;which is important because "being in bitcoin country" does not anymore "make you bitcoiner 1101008;1429019194;mircea_popescu;which is what i was talking about throughout. 1101009;1429019226;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: this channel could be considered a forum 1101010;1429019241;pete_dushenski;and it most certainly stimulates action, no ? 1101011;1429019254;adlai;sure, and log.b-a can be considered a tapestry of threads 1101012;1429019259;nubbins`;pete_dushenski again: 1101013;1429019262;nubbins`;"If we manage to set aside the fantasy of the General Assembly and replace it with an assembly of presences, if we manage to foil the constantly renewed temptation of hegemony, if we stop making the decision our final aim, then there is a chance for a kind of massification, one of those moments of collective crystallization where a decision suddenly takes hold of beings, completely or only in part." 1101014;1429019291;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski no. 1101015;1429019298;nubbins`;one day, in the distant future, i'll say something to alf and it'll make all what i have previously said fall into place 1101016;1429019301;nubbins`;or not. who knows. 1101017;1429019355;nubbins`;"discussion" doesn't lead to action, it leads to puzzle pieces being shuffled around in your head 1101018;1429019358;*;adlai thinks the issue at hand relates more to basic axioms arising from one's own life, rather than words 1101019;1429019372;nubbins`;this can be useful or useless, depending on the situation, the person... 1101020;1429019377;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: how not ? how many pogo purchases and gnupg downloads have resulted from time spent here ? 1101021;1429019383;mircea_popescu;nubbins` to the degree that one's action is prevented by organised debris in his head, then this process may clear a path he can finally act upon 1101022;1429019393;mircea_popescu;but i still think it's at best wrong to imagine "the discussion did it" 1101023;1429019402;adlai;nubbins`: well you can have all the right puzzle pieces on the table, yet not see the picture 1101024;1429019409;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i just don't credit that "resulted". 1101025;1429019411;nubbins`;mircea_popescu sure, agreed. 1101026;1429019436;nubbins`;put another way, nothing i say will make alf walk away 1101027;1429019447;nubbins`;but perhaps things i say will clear his mental path a bit more 1101028;1429019463;nubbins`;the only thing that'll make alf walk away is alf 1101029;1429019464;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: perhaps i'm ascribing too much causation to correlations 1101030;1429019493;nubbins`;but again 1101031;1429019494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00028902 = 2.3411 BTC [-] 1101032;1429019505;nubbins`;i owe the bank $190,000 and i made $6,000 in 2013 1101033;1429019516;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i mean they also happened in daytime, you know, cause the shops are closed at night. so daytime causes it ? meh. 1101034;1429019524;nubbins`;and i spend my days not holding my nose to the grindstone, but dicking around on irc and puttering in my basement 1101035;1429019524;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: ya how does that actually work financially ? 1101036;1429019528;nubbins`;and i sleep the sleep of the just. 1101037;1429019539;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski he sells used chicken fingers to make up the diff. 1101038;1429019544;nubbins`;oh ho 1101039;1429019548;pete_dushenski;best plum sauce 1101040;1429019561;nubbins`;pete_dushenski how it works is that you realize what you need and don't need to get by 1101041;1429019581;adlai;not all of us need mercedeses! 1101042;1429019586;nubbins`;if you have 25 pairs of red shoes and nowhere to put them, maybe a shoe rack isn't the right answer? 1101043;1429019591;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how much is teh interest on that 200k ? 1101044;1429019610;pete_dushenski;adlai: says you ! 1101045;1429019618;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i pay off about $5k principal and $9k interest per annum 1101046;1429019640;nubbins`;5-year term's up next summer so i'll prolly pop a couple tens of k down on the principal then 1101047;1429019661;mircea_popescu;what if wife takes a lover ? 1101048;1429019686;nubbins`;so be it 1101049;1429019707;mircea_popescu;no but i mean in terms of teh payoff. 1101050;1429019709;nubbins`;(as if there's a better man than me out there) 1101051;1429019717;nubbins`;mircea_popescu same. 1101052;1429019726;mircea_popescu;alf will be pissed. 1101053;1429019728;nubbins`;monthly mortgage payment is ~$1200 1101054;1429019749;mircea_popescu;"oh i just pay 20k out of my 6k a year. problem ?!?!?!" 1101055;1429019757;nubbins`;!s roomie 1101056;1429019758;assbot;8 results for 'roomie' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=roomie 1101057;1429019778;nubbins`;p and i, combined, contribute about $500/mo to keep this place going 1101058;1429019784;mircea_popescu;i dun think he wants that. 1101059;1429019791;nubbins`;he 100% does not 1101060;1429019807;nubbins`;but i'll note that this is a problem with alf, not with walking away 1101061;1429019819;mircea_popescu;anyway, fwiw i suppose your situation is exactly typical of "the civilised world". 1101062;1429019834;nubbins`;what, floating along without a care for tomorrow? :D 1101063;1429019860;mircea_popescu;on average, if you average them, per capita debt about 1k, per capita income about 5k, hopefully there isn't a fire. 1101064;1429019868;mircea_popescu;s/1k/100k/ 1101065;1429019886;nubbins`;you guys don't have fire insurance in b-a? 1101066;1429019899;*;adlai also wonders wo what degree nubbins` has "gone galt", perhaps without being consciously aware of the concept 1101067;1429019924;mircea_popescu;not everything's insurable nubbins`. specifically : insurance works for individuals. i was discussing the country/western world. 1101068;1429019928;nubbins`;adlai i gave up on atlas shrugged after several hundred pages because it was a piece of shit, indulge me will ya? 1101069;1429019933;mircea_popescu;if there IS a fire, nobody can insure the whole shebang. 1101070;1429019952;nubbins`;if there's a fire that big, house insurance will be the least of your worries 1101071;1429019952;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's when you stop contributing to an idiotic community and just keep for yourself. 1101072;1429019977;nubbins`;a 1101073;1429020016;adlai;and includes reducing your quality of life, since you reach diminishing returns as you try to increase it 1101074;1429020021;mircea_popescu;kinda how the soviets failed, people went "eh why bother, they gotta pay me anyway, and i don't make anything out of iteither way" 1101075;1429020031;nubbins`;\o/ 1101076;1429020038;nubbins`;my quality of life has steadily increased since walking away 1101077;1429020048;mircea_popescu;using the same metrics ? 1101078;1429020055;nubbins`;the only ones that matter, yep 1101079;1429020065;mircea_popescu;"my own evaluation of variable x has changed as my measurement standards changed" 1101080;1429020070;nubbins`;heh. 1101081;1429020072;adlai;dropping meaningless metrics is the easiest way to increase quality of life 1101082;1429020086;*;adlai is not using "meaningless" ironically, but... subjectively 1101083;1429020089;pete_dushenski;"my penis has never been bigger!" 1101084;1429020090;nubbins`;mircea_popescu guess how much money i saved per year while making $61k 1101085;1429020095;mircea_popescu;well in that manner, becoming a slave is the easiest way to increase quality of life. 1101086;1429020099;mircea_popescu;you've never seen people that happy. 1101087;1429020103;adlai;cf dogs 1101088;1429020117;adlai;or all animals being cared for by humans, outside of labs 1101089;1429020132;adlai;(or zoos) 1101090;1429020141;nubbins`;what do i need money for? buy a volkswagen? 1101091;1429020143;mircea_popescu;because humans aren't animals. 1101092;1429020151;mircea_popescu;nubbins` alf likes gadgets. 1101093;1429020154;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: guessing that 61k is pre-tax, i'll guess 20k savings. i'm guessing you've got skill in this saving domain. 1101094;1429020178;nubbins`;mircea_popescu so do i, but i also like not wanting to fucking kill myself every day 1101095;1429020190;mircea_popescu;yes, but that's what he means by "theoretical physicist" 1101096;1429020197;nubbins`;pete_dushenski closer to $0k per year 1101097;1429020205;adlai;tangentially related: though increasing the font size of my console has reduced the number of characters on my screen, it has greatly increased my quality-of-reading 1101098;1429020213;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: lolk 1101099;1429020218;mircea_popescu;adlai did b-a spur you to this action ? :D 1101100;1429020222;pete_dushenski;so much for that theory 1101101;1429020227;nubbins`;pete_dushenski implication being that all that extra money *almost* bought happiness 1101102;1429020248;nubbins`;you know when i was an office-man, i'd struggle whether to get out of bed every. single. morning. 1101103;1429020252;adlai;mircea_popescu: actually a control-typo triggered it, and i decided to learn from the happy accident :) 1101104;1429020260;mircea_popescu;lol 1101105;1429020267;mircea_popescu;see pete_dushenski ? we got nothing. 1101106;1429020268;nubbins`;i once took a week's vacation because i couldn't be fucked to show up on a monday... or a tuesday 1101107;1429020280;nubbins`;this is not sustainable 1101108;1429020285;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know, just because your job sucked doesn't mean work sucks. 1101109;1429020293;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: it's all those sunrises that caused it ! 1101110;1429020299;nubbins`;mircea_popescu agreed. i still work (from time to time), and it doesn't suck at all 1101111;1429020311;nubbins`;i wake up with a smile every day and go to bed w/ same 1101112;1429020315;adlai;don't worry, the typo was only due to furious typing trying to keep up with the wordcount 1101113;1429020335;mircea_popescu;doesn't it get boring ? 1101114;1429020343;nubbins`;not at all. the world's my oyster. 1101115;1429020347;pete_dushenski;heya funkenstein_ your comment has been replied to :) 1101116;1429020347;nubbins`;boring people get bored. 1101117;1429020369;mircea_popescu;lolk 1101118;1429020381;funkenstein_;cool i go to check it 1101119;1429020381;nubbins`;if i worked in a cubicle, the last thing i would do is buy a pogo and mess with it 1101120;1429020385;funkenstein_;you guys are on fire today :) 1101121;1429020391;nubbins`;i'd be too busy drinking 1101122;1429020402;lobbes;nubbins', your example leaving your 61k job is validating my similar decision to eventually leave my new job for something less lucrative but more sane 1101123;1429020414;lobbes;I thought I was crazy (maybe still am) 1101124;1429020426;nubbins`;lobbes truly foolhardy is the man to whom i serve as an example 1101125;1429020444;lobbes;ha 1101126;1429020457;mircea_popescu;"this could not possibly be a dumb idea - look! others are doing it too!" 1101127;1429020459;lobbes;well I don't plan to cling to driftwood 1101128;1429020462;nubbins`;heh. 1101129;1429020467;lobbes;just downshift a bit ;) 1101130;1429020472;nubbins`;mircea_popescu are you talking about working in an office? 8) 1101131;1429020480;mircea_popescu;nubbins` or body mods or w/e. 1101132;1429020490;nubbins`;slow clap 1101133;1429020498;mircea_popescu;but no, i was talking about his line above. 1101134;1429020515;nubbins`;lobbes even the stupidest ideas will find support on the interwebs 1101135;1429020523;nubbins`;i'm serious: <+nubbins`> lobbes truly foolhardy is the man to whom i serve as an example 1101136;1429020527;mircea_popescu;kinda why the interwebs are so popular with "the people" 1101137;1429020574;lobbes;again, I'm not talking $61 to $6 here, rather 85 to maybe 58 1101138;1429020587;lobbes;so perhaps not the same at all 1101139;1429020591;mircea_popescu;lobbes you're not being personally criticized yo. you don't like it, get rid of it. 1101140;1429020620;lobbes;well, I wouldn't be offended if I was being criticized. Rather, that's why I like it here 1101141;1429020623;nubbins`;trappings of happiness vs happiness 1101142;1429020625;lobbes;but yes 1101143;1429020636;nubbins`;"but with 61k/yr i can buy all these trappings!" 1101144;1429020636;*;mircea_popescu realised he has nfi what his income is. 1101145;1429020646;nubbins`;mircea_popescu join the club 1101146;1429020656;nubbins`;maybe at conference XIII you, me and alf can compare grey hairs 1101147;1429020667;mircea_popescu;my beard's got some kickass white going 1101148;1429020682;nubbins`;my body is a patchwork, beard happens to be reddish 1101149;1429020697;mircea_popescu;"my body is my patchwork ~nubbins" 1101150;1429020700;nubbins`;heh 1101151;1429020711;nubbins`;who needs $61k with a body like this? 1101152;1429020734;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: well there's some fiat aspect to your income that's reported, no ? 1101153;1429020736;mircea_popescu;you should see these retards btw. 1101154;1429020748;mircea_popescu;according to argentinian head, 200k barely buys you a cramped 500sqft apt. 1101155;1429020764;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski in like 5 jurisdictions by various people who know their job. 1101156;1429020773;nubbins`;i got four floors of house for not much more than that 1101157;1429020781;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: aha. naturally 1101158;1429020786;nubbins`;but hey, apples to oranges 1101159;1429020799;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how so ? house is house. 1101160;1429020802;nubbins`;in the20yearslumland, i could prolly buy a city block for that 1101161;1429020818;mircea_popescu;i srsly do not see ANY merit to this "location" bs. 1101162;1429020846;mats;hmm... Egyptian state planners have a grandiose infrastructure plan to spend $43bn on power generation, $21bn on upstream oil and gas, and $45bn on a new capital 1101163;1429020854;nubbins`;someone does, otherwise this house'd cost $30k and the slum in ohio'd cost $220 1101164;1429020871;nubbins`;mats those are some big imaginary numbers 1101165;1429020928;nubbins`;http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Going_Galt 1101166;1429020929;assbot;Going Galt - RationalWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIm1eF ) 1101167;1429020933;nubbins`;adlai FWIW i pay taxes 1101168;1429020937;nubbins`;dirty, filthy taxes 1101169;1429020988;adlai;well the point of "going galt" is tax optimization through productivity reduction rather than fund-shuffling 1101170;1429021007;nubbins`;i'm much more productive than i was while working an office job. 1101171;1429021020;adlai;productivity as measured by the collector 1101172;1429021024;nubbins`;("but nubs, you sit around on irc all day" ...think about that) 1101173;1429021039;nubbins`;adlai so salary is the word, then? 1101174;1429021057;nubbins`;'cause you don't get taxed based on how hard you work up here in canada. 1101175;1429021112;adlai;aiui, which is only from the internet as i don't physically live in libertardia, this meme was mainly coined by/for business owners reducing their business's "salary" 1101176;1429021125;nubbins`;sounds like a fucking wank fest 1101177;1429021141;adlai;ie, "my company could sell $300k on the open market, but then it would be in a higher corporate tax bracket, so we'll only sell $200k of widgets" 1101178;1429021153;nubbins`;i didn't quit 9-5 because i wanted to stick it to the tax man. i quit it because it sucked and it was killing me. 1101179;1429021163;adlai;then the market price for widgets rises due to lack of supply, and company finds itself with sales totalling $251k 1101180;1429021208;adlai;mentsh trakht, market lakht 1101181;1429021228;nubbins`;but hey, the thing that sucks and kills you *does* give you the money to buy toys 1101182;1429021229;nubbins`;so there's that 1101183;1429021269;nubbins`;maybe once you get enough toys it'll be a fair trade. 1101184;1429021307;mircea_popescu;adlai i always understood it as the much more subtle "well im on the football team now, why hassle to score goals. hassle to prevent anyone from scoring more than me". 1101185;1429021313;mircea_popescu;going galt = what happens to a bureaucracy. 1101186;1429021324;adlai;mircea_popescu: no, that's the goal-withholding attack! 1101187;1429021344;nubbins`;didn't the galt idiots blow up some train tracks or smth? 1101188;1429021355;*;nubbins` blocked most of what he read from memory 1101189;1429021361;nubbins`;on account of it being such a piece of shit 1101190;1429021375;*;adlai hasn't actually read the book, didn't even crack the cover 1101191;1429021390;*;funkenstein_ also 1101192;1429021412;nubbins`;adlai don't 1101193;1429021429;adlai;anthem is precisely the correct dose of ayn rand for a healthy brain 1101194;1429021441;adlai;finishable in one shitting 1101195;1429021457;adlai;!s anthem 1101196;1429021458;assbot;33 results for 'anthem' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=anthem 1101197;1429021481;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2014#905513 1101198;1429021481;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2014 18:13:19; adlai: http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/Ayn_Rand/Anthem/ 1101199;1429021507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20953 @ 0.00029681 = 6.2191 BTC [+] {3} 1101200;1429021541;nubbins`;almost certainly will not read 1101201;1429021559;*;funkenstein_ almost certainly will 1101202;1429021611;*;mats is busy working through "The Misbehavior of Markets" 1101203;1429021629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00030211 = 3.58 BTC [+] 1101204;1429021635;adlai;"A Fractal View of Financial Turbulence"? 1101205;1429021715;adlai;blessed art thou, ocr operator; though you skimped on the index, grep is also nice and will suffice: https://is.muni.cz/el/1456/podzim2013/MPM_FIM2/The_Misbehavior_of_Markets.pdf 1101206;1429021717;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IInUrB ) 1101207;1429021738;mats;"A Fractal View of Risk, Ruin, and Reward" 1101208;1429021760;adlai;yeah dunno why amazon choose to reword that 1101209;1429021946;adlai;mats: thank you for the link, the author may be one of the only people (other than personified Failure) able to dissuade me 1101210;1429021977;adlai;"Thus, reading this volume will not make you rich. But it will make you wiser—and may thereby save you from getting poorer. 1101211;1429022019;mats;its nice to be thanked for stuff i didn't do 1101212;1429022068;fluffypony;so I'm going to the Bitcoin Africa conference on Thursday 1101213;1429022071;fluffypony;https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/587985510364270592 1101214;1429022073;assbot;Door tix @ Bitcoin Africa conference: "only cash will be accepted". Bitcoin...you're doing it wrong! /hashtag/BitcoinAfrica15?src=hash http://t.co/G66vzo8Etz 1101215;1429022167;mats;why would you soil yourself by association with the likely demographic of con-goers? 1101216;1429022227;fluffypony;mats: because it's the first one in ZA, I'm going to be in Cape Town anyway, and Micah Winkelspecht is talking 1101217;1429022234;fluffypony;(wink on Github) 1101218;1429022248;fluffypony;who I hope will at least be a little interesting 1101219;1429022356;mats;not sure how i feel about hardware security modules and wallets 1101220;1429022370;mats;especially FIPS* anything 1101221;1429022379;mircea_popescu;fluffypony wanna qntra ? 1101222;1429022407;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: definitely afterwards, don't have enough to say about it now 1101223;1429022416;fluffypony;except that it looks like they're retarded 1101224;1429022425;mircea_popescu;well that's kinda par for the course. 1101225;1429022432;fluffypony;quite 1101226;1429022718;nubbins`;hrm. 1101227;1429022733;nubbins`;i'm always suspicious when Canada Post sends me an "item delivered" email and the mailbox is empty 1101228;1429022874;nubbins`;nevermind: http://imgur.com/ITHUgPB 1101229;1429022875;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIqPR3 ) 1101230;1429022893;nubbins`;AND TWINS MAKE FIVE 1101231;1429022914;nubbins`;too bad it's the kinda dumb guy buying all these, huh ;/ 1101232;1429023027;pete_dushenski;those torn boxes! 1101233;1429023065;*;pete_dushenski now wondering from whence mircea_popescu derives fiat profit in 5 jurisdictions to keep tax lawyers and accountants busy 1101234;1429023112;pete_dushenski;mats: ah yes, mandelbrot. classic book, that. 1101235;1429023160;nubbins`;mandelbrot et al did much to form my perceptions of the world 1101236;1429023192;nubbins`;pete_dushenski inorite? sold as "used", guessing they're either (a) returns or (b) just damaged packaging and unsuitable for shelf 1101237;1429023237;pete_dushenski;benoit's definitely in the taleb vein, or perhaps vice versa 1101238;1429023267;nubbins`;shame i don't have time to play with these pogos til next week 1101239;1429023279;nubbins`;itching to throw that static bitcoind build onto one w/ an ssd 1101240;1429023297;pete_dushenski;in taleb's books, he often refers to his long, slow walks with mandelbrot, and how the old man is the only one who will walk slowly enough to properly meditate with 1101241;1429023332;nubbins`;rozal that was the most inept display of cloaking i've ever seen 1101242;1429023362;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: oh you're busy nao ? what happened to mr. man of leisure of twodogslandia ? 1101243;1429023413;nubbins`;he's taking a four-day vacation out of the country. 1101244;1429023425;nubbins`;imagine? 1101245;1429023440;nubbins`;nice try tho ;/ 1101246;1429023517;pete_dushenski;ah, you're also going to c3 ? 1101247;1429023643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00030213 = 1.2085 BTC [+] {2} 1101248;1429023988;nubbins`;naw. 1101249;1429024003;nubbins`;taking in a couple shows 1101250;1429024027;nubbins`;three-day vacation really 1101251;1429024044;nubbins`;longer trips don't suffice for the man of leisure 1101252;1429024203;nubbins`;(protip: get yourself a flight rewards credit card /before/ you quit your office job. they only check your annual salary when you first sign up) 1101253;1429024222;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: how is it that longer trips don't suffice ? suffice for what ? 1101254;1429024235;nubbins`;pete_dushenski you traveled much? 1101255;1429024243;pete_dushenski;sure. 1101256;1429024255;nubbins`;what sorta travel, mostly resorts or "real"? 1101257;1429024285;pete_dushenski;"real" man 1101258;1429024295;nubbins`;ever get... tired? 1101259;1429024319;pete_dushenski;quite often after the first week or so. 1101260;1429024326;nubbins`;this is precisely the reason 1101261;1429024369;nubbins`;everyone who travels has a point at which they become tired. for some, this is 6mos. for others, 1mo. 1101262;1429024370;pete_dushenski;but if you can make it past "tired" there's always more to explore and experience 1101263;1429024375;nubbins`;100% agreed 1101264;1429024394;nubbins`;i made it several months into "tired" before i abandoned s.k. 1101265;1429024406;pete_dushenski;so sure, i get tired, but it doesn't send me home, just makes me want to be productive while i'm away 1101266;1429024410;pete_dushenski;so i bring a laptop 1101267;1429024416;funkenstein_;;;later tell mod6 some 0.5.3.1 info http://dpaste.com/0EK6PYX 1101268;1429024417;assbot;dpaste: 0EK6PYX ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIvdzA ) 1101269;1429024417;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1101270;1429024429;nubbins`;you do not! 1101271;1429024435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00029421 = 6.4579 BTC [-] {2} 1101272;1429024438;nubbins`;:( 1101273;1429024477;nubbins`;anyway, this trip is more of an indulgence than most 1101274;1429024482;nubbins`;i usually aim for at least a week or two 1101275;1429024492;pete_dushenski;lol of course i bring a laptop, what is this 1994 ? 1101276;1429024495;funkenstein_;we are always travelling on spaceship earth 1101277;1429024529;funkenstein_;but yeah bases are useful 1101278;1429024546;pete_dushenski;there are always logs to read, travel stories to share on contravex, emails to send. 1101279;1429024546;nubbins`;but... print shops are busy in the summer, so if i wanna go somewhere, it's best to go in the spring... and it turns out three of my favourite musical acts were playing back-to-back nights in cleveland 1101280;1429024578;nubbins`;pete_dushenski i bring a smartphone instead of a laptop precisely to limit my tech usage 1101281;1429024604;nubbins`;which btw i pronounce "usagi" in my head occasionally, thanks bitcoin! 1101282;1429024608;pete_dushenski;i'm pretty sure smartphones increase 'tech usage' while decreasing productivity 1101283;1429024620;pete_dushenski;this is precisely contra my aim in bringing a laptop 1101284;1429024622;nubbins`;pete_dushenski not if you keep it on silent and in your pocket, instead of obsessively "checking" it. 1101285;1429024636;nubbins`;pete_dushenski sounds like we use different methods to achieve same result 1101286;1429024665;pete_dushenski;mas o menos, ya 1101287;1429024674;pete_dushenski;so you're seeing usagi in cleveland or what ? 1101288;1429024680;nubbins`;https://puellaludens.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/photo2.jpg 1101289;1429024682;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aONA7u ) 1101290;1429024683;nubbins`;haha nah 1101291;1429024730;nubbins`;i am, however, seeing Lightning Bolt, Sufjan Stevens, and METZ 1101292;1429024742;nubbins`;which... o/ 1101293;1429024745;nubbins`;\o 1101294;1429024753;nubbins`;self-highfive 1101295;1429024826;pete_dushenski;lol can't say i've ever heard of any of them 1101296;1429024858;pete_dushenski;but i'm not as cultured and worldly as i think i am. just a soap opera star! 1101297;1429025042;mircea_popescu;lol 1101298;1429025118;mircea_popescu;puella ludens is notbad a name. 1101299;1429025206;mircea_popescu;and here i thought twtelecom went under. 1101300;1429025223;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1101301;1429025321;ascii_field;nubbins`: but i'll note that this is a problem with alf, not with walking away << i've noticed that even you have exhausted your patience with the bipedal rabid dog in your home... 1101302;1429025334;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i guess ascii_field has telecom reviving AND self-upping magical powers 1101303;1429025339;ascii_field;whereas i have zero patience with the very concept of having the very smell of a rabid dog in my home. 1101304;1429025441;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ok, but you know... kinda hard to herd a herd if you're so olfactorily intolerant 1101305;1429025450;mircea_popescu;teh ancient egyptians slept in the barn eh ? 1101306;1429025452;ascii_field;why do i want to herd anything 1101307;1429025463;ascii_field;tajikistan also sleeps in the barn 1101308;1429025466;mircea_popescu;well what do you want to, spherical chicken in vacuum ? 1101309;1429025472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8601 @ 0.0002875 = 2.4728 BTC [-] 1101310;1429025473;ascii_field;as does every goatfuckistan still extant on planet 3 1101311;1429025481;ascii_field;i am not a creature of goatfuckistan 1101312;1429025486;ascii_field;you gotta grow up with it. 1101313;1429025501;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1101314;1429025526;mircea_popescu;still, "hard to herd a herd"... you heard it here first 1101315;1429025590;ascii_field;nubbins`: if i worked in a cubicle, the last thing i would do is buy a pogo and mess with it << what did you buy and play with instead? a nagant, testing how it feels in the mouth, as in mircea_popescu's 'dulap' story ? 1101316;1429025604;adlai;fwiw, according to diamod, sleeping in barns (or herding in the home) is the only reason we're not all dead of smallpox 1101317;1429025622;mircea_popescu;adlai among other things. 1101318;1429025639;ascii_field;adlai: by this logic, eating raw bear meat is the only reason 'we' aren't all dead of starvation, etc. 1101319;1429025640;adlai;smallpox faded to obscurity long before we learned how to wage proper interkingdom war 1101320;1429025667;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you ever had bear btw ? 1101321;1429025677;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i am told that i did, but methinks it was a fraud 1101322;1429025683;mircea_popescu;hah 1101323;1429025700;mircea_popescu;kinda gamey, like a pig that grew up thinking it's pheasant ? 1101324;1429025709;ascii_field;that's precisely what it tasted like 1101325;1429025712;ascii_field;so perhaps yes, bear. 1101326;1429025713;mircea_popescu;no fraud there. 1101327;1429025729;*;ascii_field was convinced that his 'bear' had a snout, ate from a trough 1101328;1429025730;adlai;in the idf, if bread sits on the shelf next to canned spam for long enough... 1101329;1429025739;mircea_popescu;kinda same metabolism. 1101330;1429025742;mircea_popescu;we, bears, pigs... 1101331;1429025746;mircea_popescu;hedgehogs 1101332;1429025754;ascii_field;omnivores 'are what they eat' newsateleven 1101333;1429025767;adlai;long pig, short pig, red pig, blue pig? 1101334;1429025776;ascii_field;'the longest pig' 1101335;1429025777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00028733 = 1.6809 BTC [-] {2} 1101336;1429025781;pete_dushenski;adlai: now why would spam be in the idf in the first place ? 1101337;1429025787;mircea_popescu;^ 1101338;1429025790;pete_dushenski;pork, neh ? 1101339;1429025800;mircea_popescu;maybe they have special hoover-pigs 1101340;1429025801;mircea_popescu;no hooves. 1101341;1429025810;adlai;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(food)#Israel 1101342;1429025812;assbot;Spam (food) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIybnH ) 1101343;1429025814;pete_dushenski;"tails and assholes" as my dad used to call spam 1101344;1429025820;ascii_field;hey, if prismoidal watermelons... 1101345;1429025822;ascii_field;why not pig. 1101346;1429025823;adlai;"Also, a kosher variant of Spam, known as Loof (Hebrew: לוף‎, a Hebrew linguistic play on meatloaf), was produced by Richard Levi, and mostly used as part of field rations by the Israel Defense Forces." 1101347;1429025833;adlai;"and was finally removed from rations when production ceased in 2009." LOL 1101348;1429025836;adlai;these things keep forever 1101349;1429025849;adlai;removed from rations... now that's my laugh for the day 1101350;1429025863;mircea_popescu;dude, it's the wikipedia. it's right! 1101351;1429025873;adlai;oh but it officially is removed from rations 1101352;1429025879;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: it's the lack of cud chewing, not the hooves that makes pigs unkosher 1101353;1429025880;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i srsly do not see ANY merit to this "location" bs << one of us is carrying suitcase of $gadgets to the other. that's -location-, l0l. 1101354;1429025904;mod6;funkenstein_: thanks for the info. 1101355;1429025918;pete_dushenski;i recently learned that ostrich and 'hares' (presumably rabbits too?) are also not kosher 1101356;1429025923;pete_dushenski;this was news to me. 1101357;1429025931;ascii_field;'Going Galt' << somehow everybody forgets that the character in the book had a fucking -invisibility machine- hiding his fort 1101358;1429025932;adlai;in basic training, when random MREs had loof, the sergeant gave us this big lecture about how it'd been "removed from the war-waging bible" (literal translation), and we'd probably never see it again 1101359;1429025948;ascii_field;'galt' without the cloaking device is like superman without the cape 1101360;1429025957;ascii_field;(or whatever the flying widget is) 1101361;1429025961;adlai;the cape gave superman his power!? 1101362;1429025966;adlai;maybe samson without the dreads 1101363;1429025969;mircea_popescu;i thouhgt it was his butt 1101364;1429025969;ascii_field;^ 1101365;1429025981;ascii_field;samson, sure. 1101366;1429026007;pete_dushenski;buttless superman... is but a man 1101367;1429026010;mircea_popescu;incidentally... i find it kinda lulzy that arabs etc don't go all bear. but... 1101368;1429026027;ascii_field;wut 1101369;1429026031;ascii_field;bear? 1101370;1429026033;ascii_field;wrong geography 1101371;1429026034;adlai;kosher laws are such a messy patchwork of whitelists and blacklists 1101372;1429026040;Chillum;It would be like aquaman without... wait what does he have? 1101373;1429026057;Chillum;soggyness. 1101374;1429026069;adlai;like satoshi without MSVC 1101375;1429026073;mircea_popescu;hence "dry vagina" 1101376;1429026078;mircea_popescu;ahahaha OUCH. zing. 1101377;1429026081;pete_dushenski;adlai: "must refrain from random things to hone your discipline" isn't the worst approach in the world 1101378;1429026089;adlai;pete_dushenski: what? 1101379;1429026094;ascii_field;nubbins`: maybe once you get enough toys it'll be a fair trade << all the toys i buy put together are dwarfed by the cost of living like a human being (e.g., not having rabid hyenas in my home, nor within 100 metres, etc.) 1101380;1429026107;*;adlai is being told to stop dicking around on IRC? 1101381;1429026109;ascii_field;and this ^ is not a toy, it is as essential as clothes to me. 1101382;1429026111;pete_dushenski;adlai: uh kashrut ? 1101383;1429026117;adlai;ah 1101384;1429026118;mircea_popescu;ascii_field 100 metres is tough. within 100 metres of me there's like 3 different theatres. 1101385;1429026126;mircea_popescu;you should hear the rabid hyenas lol. 1101386;1429026126;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: flexible figure 1101387;1429026162;Chillum;nice to hear metric 1101388;1429026171;ascii_field;and enduring hyenas by choice, because you're into keeping zoo, or culturing fleas, etc. is rather different from financially forcible tour of duty in hyena cage 1101389;1429026214;mircea_popescu;they get together and squeal, it's fucking incredible. that particular 16 yo "pls fuck me" unconscious thing. 1101390;1429026226;ascii_field;adlai:anthem is precisely the correct dose of ayn rand for a healthy brain << i will admit to having read pretty much all of rand 1101391;1429026230;ascii_field;(big whoop) 1101392;1429026261;adlai;and how accurate is my perscription? 1101393;1429026272;mircea_popescu;you read pretty much all of apparently every idiot available 1101394;1429026274;ascii_field;adlai: i'm with naggum on this one 1101395;1429026282;mircea_popescu;and YET you protest the hyena 1101396;1429026284;adlai;!s naggum rand 1101397;1429026285;assbot;0 results for 'naggum rand' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=naggum+rand 1101398;1429026289;ascii_field;(short version: dedicated zoologist? yes, read. no? don't) 1101399;1429026375;ascii_field;adlai: https://web.archive.org/web/20150209100751/http://open.salon.com/blog/kent_pitman/2010/01/08/erik_naggum_on_atlas_shrugged 1101400;1429026378;assbot; Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged - Kent Pitman - Open Salon ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIzcwc ) 1101401;1429026382;ascii_field;^ somebody cache this before censored entirely? 1101402;1429026400;ascii_field;(naggum's is the part on the annoying black background colour) 1101403;1429026402;adlai;it's not in xach's thingy? 1101404;1429026406;ascii_field;it is not 1101405;1429026409;ascii_field;because not on usenet 1101406;1429026411;mircea_popescu;archive.today 1101407;1429026411;adlai;ahright 1101408;1429026416;ascii_field;posthumously published private letter 1101409;1429026446;adlai;how about http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Writing/OS/Naggum-on-Atlas-Shrugged.html 1101410;1429026447;assbot;Kent Pitman's Blogging: Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIzl2C ) 1101411;1429026484;ascii_field; and YET you protest the hyena << so i had a quiet and physically clean upbringing. this is who i am. i get that it gives me a short life expectancy, yes. but jumping from cliffs doesn't grow wings, no. 1101412;1429026516;mircea_popescu;just observing that the writing it produces doesn't seem to bother as much ? how come ? 1101413;1429026535;ascii_field;because can be zoologist to text on a screen 1101414;1429026545;mircea_popescu;why this not that ? 1101415;1429026568;ascii_field;e.g., why did hanbot work well as a forum demolitions expert, but isn't (afaik!) a soldier in meatspace ? 1101416;1429026581;mircea_popescu;now howdja know that ? 1101417;1429026585;ascii_field;i do not. 1101418;1429026591;ascii_field;only conjecture. 1101419;1429026618;mircea_popescu;imo more competent as soldier than forum diogenes 1101420;1429026624;mats;http://www.wsj.com/articles/as-interest-benchmarks-go-negative-banks-may-have-to-pay-borrowers-1428939338 1101421;1429026626;assbot; Tumbling Interest Rates in Europe Leaves Some Banks Owing Money on Loans to Borrowers - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1CFq83W ) 1101422;1429026802;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: http://contravex.com/Erik_Naggum_on_Atlas_Shrugged.txt << done just last month :) 1101423;1429026803;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CFqMP1 ) 1101424;1429026810;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: neato 1101425;1429026912;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: but to answer question, my meatspace idiocy filter is simply not as strong as the conceptual one. to ask 'why' is like asking why my legs are not as long as mircea_popescu's 1101426;1429026920;adlai;pete_dushenski: why does the http response never terminate? it's a .txt... 1101427;1429026930;ascii_field;i.e., the question may well have a biological answer, but knowing it does me little good. 1101428;1429026932;mats;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102584586 1101429;1429026934;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIAdUS ) 1101430;1429026942;mircea_popescu;but do you know it is in fact a biological answer. 1101431;1429026943;mats;^ "US business inventories rise; sales flat" 1101432;1429026980;ascii_field;mats: 'the chocolate ratio went up to 25 grams from the old 50' 1101433;1429026980;pete_dushenski;adlai: good question ? anyone else seeing this ? 1101434;1429027026;adlai;(are you?) 1101435;1429027062;pete_dushenski;mats: ascii_field this is the city of edmonton's "we improved our asphalt technologee in the 1990s but it turned out to last 1/4 as long as the stuff from the 1960s" 1101436;1429027062;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1101437;1429027263;pete_dushenski;adlai: i am actually, and now i have no idea if this is something to be addressed, and if so, how. 1101438;1429027312;adlai;the common cold of the information age 1101439;1429027360;*;adlai has seen this often on many sites, only now commented about it 1101440;1429027442;adlai;oh, it's sporadic: reloading the page now has "fixed" it 1101441;1429027464;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: but do you know it is in fact a biological answer << after a certain amount of exposure, and getting weaker rather than stronger, one leans that - if there was an age where having one's legs pulled on, would have lengthened them - that age is past 1101442;1429027473;ascii_field;*learns that 1101443;1429027838;adlai;mircea_popescu: so are the average price diamonds in mpex thumbnails intentionally so dark as to cause the bewildered visitor to question his eyesight or sanity, until he confirms that they are in fact of different hue? 1101444;1429028183;ascii_field;nubbins`: the only thing that'll make alf walk away is alf << nubbins` would probably be rather surprised to learn that - other than the physical separation from wildlife (e.g., nubbins`'s roommate) - i have very few luxuries 1101445;1429028214;ascii_field;(i do not consider eating genuine, vs. recycled food, a luxury. just as air on a space capsule is not a luxury, even if it costs what gold costs down on earth) 1101446;1429028390;mats;warehouse of computer antiques sounds like a lot of luxuries to me. 1101447;1429028415;ascii_field;mats: 'warehouse' is a bit of exaggeration. the whole lot would (and did, when i moved) fit in a small van. 1101448;1429028470;mats;in any event -- i'm envious. my living space is too small to accommodate much more than what i could fit in a hatchback 1101449;1429028540;mats;rent is not nearly as usurious, as, say, DC, but a space like mine (own room, roommates adjacent) costs... $1k/mo 1101450;1429028566;ascii_field;mats: i lived in a flat quite like (from what i can tell) yours, for most of a decade. 1101451;1429028597;ascii_field;and my new digs aren't quite big enough to make any difference space-wise. i moved to a free-standing building mainly to get further away from other human beings 1101452;1429028646;ascii_field;admittedly i no longer have the 'nazi submarine' atmosphere of the old flat (bulkheads in every conceivable space, objects hanging to fill every gap, etc.) 1101453;1429028668;mats;i prefer to live with other humans. that way, they can find my corpse before the smell of decay sets in. hopefully. 1101454;1429028683;adlai;why would the smell bother you? 1101455;1429028762;adlai;"live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse" says nothing about the absence of respirators for the autopsy team 1101456;1429028764;mats;so some folks have time to hunt the man that did the deed 1101457;1429028876;ascii_field;mats: i don't live alone, but with pet 1101458;1429028894;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1101459;1429028911;mats;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/prosecutors-suspect-man-hacked-lottery-computers-to-score-winning-ticket hue. 1101460;1429028912;assbot;Prosecutors suspect man hacked lottery computers to score winning ticket | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKtf9D ) 1101461;1429029003;ascii_field;run moar winblows (tm) 1101462;1429029068;ascii_field;'The former security director "was 'obsessed' with root kits, a type of computer program that can be installed quickly, set to do just about anything, and then self-destruct without a trace," prosecutors wrote. They went on to say a witness would testify at trial that Tipton told him before December 2010 that he had a self-destructing rootkit.' << 'hands off the specialist toolz, plebe' 1101463;1429029094;Chillum;why did he not get an accomplice to buy the ticket 1101464;1429029159;lobbes;maybe he didn't have a wot 1101465;1429029171;Chillum;How can people be so clever yet make such dumb mistakes 1101466;1429029193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00029823 = 4.4735 BTC [+] 1101467;1429029197;Chillum;his hostile code should have sat dormant for 6 months, then someone with no obvious connection to him should have got the ticket 1101468;1429029198;ascii_field;when corrupt orc from gaggle of equally-corrupt similar orcs is charged with 'corruption' - what is the reason, always and invariably ? 1101469;1429029247;williamdunne;Got caught? 1101470;1429029255;mats;defection. 1101471;1429029261;williamdunne;To make the goblins think they care 1101472;1429029281;ascii_field;mats, williamdunne: didn't share with superiors. or pissed'em off in some other way. 1101473;1429029362;mircea_popescu;adlai nop 1101474;1429029412;mircea_popescu; warehouse of computer antiques sounds like a lot of luxuries to me. << anything sounds like a luxury to someone somewhere! 1101475;1429029502;mircea_popescu; How can people be so clever yet make such dumb mistakes << whole thing reads to me more like a case of baxies than anything legitimately prosecutable. 1101476;1429029546;mircea_popescu;"man that didn't shoot the cop had a gun! neighbours saw it!" 1101477;1429030382;ascii_field; his hostile code should have sat dormant for 6 months, then someone with no obvious connection to him should have got the ticket << i suppose this is when nubbins` says 'learn the dark marketz, anyone can!' and mircea_popescu tells us about the superiority of human dark org vs relying on machines 1101478;1429030530;*;ascii_field wonders how many years of jail are given for predicting the output of a legit, un-pwned winblows rng in lottery 1101479;1429030723;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1101480;1429031237;Pierre_Rochard;!up zooko 1101481;1429031293;ascii_field;Chillum: How can people be so clever yet make such dumb mistakes << autists like ulbricht/dpr get nailed by trusting in meat. 'eusocial' folks like mr lottery -also- get nailed by trusting in meat. just like when an airplane falls, pilots and passengers get same fate 1101482;1429031316;ascii_field;does not so much matter that one 'knew how to fly' and other - did not 1101483;1429031365;ascii_field;the mistake of each, to the extent the stories publicly known are even factual, is 'dunning-kruger'-ing their reach far past their grasp. 1101484;1429031518;ascii_field;the 'up-side' - perhaps the only one - of being a hermit monster is that the tools built for nailing the 'eusocial' don't work on you. i.e. you negrate a usg shill in your mind at most forty seconds after initial contact 1101485;1429031572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00029786 = 1.5042 BTC [-] 1101486;1429031676;*;ascii_field grants that somewhere on the far outskirts of the retardation spectrum, there lies the land of 'there are no shills! finally someone is willing to be my -phriend!- 111!!111 stop insulting my -phriendz-!!!11' but has not, fortunately, gone there. 1101487;1429032243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00030217 = 5.0613 BTC [+] 1101488;1429032385;lobbes;even hermits must put some trust in meat? Is not the hermit, himself, meat? 1101489;1429032411;ascii_field;lobbes: the context is important here 1101490;1429032424;ascii_field;'trust in meat' in the thread was 'what nailed lottery-man' 1101491;1429032436;ascii_field;that is, the fact that he did not stick 100% to diddling the machines under cover of dark 1101492;1429032441;ascii_field;but involved -people- in the scheme 1101493;1429032445;ascii_field;ditto dpr 1101494;1429032463;ascii_field;'what three know, the sow knows' (TM) 1101495;1429032548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00029741 = 4.1043 BTC [-] {3} 1101496;1429032553;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1101497;1429032693;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> nubbins`: if i worked in a cubicle, the last thing i would do is buy a pogo and mess with it << what did you buy and play with instead? a nagant, testing how it feels in the mouth, as in mircea_popescu's 'dulap' story ? <<< not in so many words :P 1101498;1429032792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00029339 = 3.55 BTC [-] {2} 1101499;1429032810;nubbins`;<+adlai> like satoshi without MSVC <<< my kingdom for some more sides 1101500;1429033158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00030217 = 6.6024 BTC [+] 1101501;1429033159;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> and YET you protest the hyena << so i had a quiet and physically clean upbringing. this is who i am. i get that it gives me a short life expectancy, yes. but jumping from cliffs doesn't grow wings, no. <<< the sets of {co-inhabitants} and {dirtbags} don't have as complete an overlap as you'd think 1101502;1429033222;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> (i do not consider eating genuine, vs. recycled food, a luxury. just as air on a space capsule is not a luxury, even if it costs what gold costs down on earth) <<< i don't fully buy into the "it's cheaper to eat shitty" mentality, but it's my understanding that the dynamics involved therein are vastly different in your country 1101503;1429033432;nubbins`;that said, i'm pretty sure a 15kg bag of rice doesn't cost much more than a few shit sandwiches from mcd's anywhere in north america 1101504;1429033768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00029196 = 3.4451 BTC [-] {2} 1101505;1429033873;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: thank you for your considerations, you're right. nubbins` thank you for comprehend. 1101506;1429033905;nubbins`;wait, i understood smth? 1101507;1429033910;ascii_field;nubbins`: not even chinese live on rice alone 1101508;1429033926;ascii_field;nubbins`: go try eating, e.g., plankton for the rest of your life 1101509;1429033928;nubbins`;nor do people live on big macs alone 1101510;1429033929;nubbins`;8) 1101511;1429033972;ascii_field;nubbins`: academic, though. food is scarcely a tenth of it 1101512;1429033990;nubbins`;but i'm of the opinion that very few adult north americans have even the faintest idea of how to feed themselves properly, let alone on a sensible budget 1101513;1429034021;nubbins`;ascii_field your average bezzle cubicle dweller prob spends 25% of gross income on food 1101514;1429034064;felipelalli;nubbins`: you said "don't worry, you're new" something like that. 1101515;1429034071;nubbins`;oh right, yeah 1101516;1429034117;felipelalli;nubbins`: don't worry, selective memory. 1101517;1429034927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14059 @ 0.00029274 = 4.1156 BTC [+] 1101518;1429036123;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1101519;1429036327;ascii_field;nubbins`: you are quite right, that the situation is very different in usa. 1101520;1429036353;ascii_field;nubbins`: if i did not have a full-time pet to handle the food problem, i would probably have to survive on something like military rations. 1101521;1429037017;BingoBoingo; nubbins`: if i did not have a full-time pet to handle the food problem, i would probably have to survive on something like military rations. << Sprats come in can, RATIONS!!! 1101522;1429037069;ascii_field;laugh BingoBoingo, but i did this. 1101523;1429037164;ascii_field;does not make for effective 'mens sana in corpore sano', this. 1101524;1429037983;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1101525;1429038831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00030217 = 2.1303 BTC [+] 1101526;1429039563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00030217 = 11.4825 BTC [+] 1101527;1429040984;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1101528;1429040993;mircea_popescu;military rations are good ?! 1101529;1429040993;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1101530;1429040993;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1101531;1429041001;ben_vulpes;https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/32ik14/dear_portland_weekly_rantrage_thread_41315/ << in case anyone wants a taste of braindamaged portlanders 1101532;1429041004;assbot;DEAR PORTLAND: WEEKLY RANT/RAGE THREAD 4/13/15 : Portland ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfIRWk ) 1101533;1429041004;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla assbot died ? 1101534;1429041004;asciilifeform;eggog! (tm) 1101535;1429041004;ascii_field;go figure. 1101536;1429041004;mircea_popescu;lok just clogged. 1101537;1429041034;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: military rations are good ?! << nope - very bad, but with minimal effort. like the 'hiring shaman - hire cheapest' theorem. 1101538;1429041837;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100731 << ty! 1101539;1429041837;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 10:57:38; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100564 << you want it, you got it. vip treatment beotch!!1 1101540;1429042400;chetty;so standing in a line I was noticing all the people doing whatever on cellphones, all I could think was "For this we evolved opposable thumbs?" 1101541;1429042727;lobbes;to be fair, I am quite guilty of this. Either that or stare frantically around the room while trying not to make eye contact with anyone 1101542;1429042773;lobbes;good time to catch up on the logs, eh 1101543;1429042802;mats;i can't even imagine the vast number of neck, back, and general injuries from poor posture the world will see in a decade 1101544;1429042824;hanbot;ascii_field cooking *is* minimal effort, just gotta learn. 1101545;1429042854;hanbot;why not make eye contact? 1101546;1429042915;asciilifeform;eggog! (tm) 1101547;1429042918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00030217 = 6.2096 BTC [+] 1101548;1429042926;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1101549;1429042937;ascii_field;l0l wrong button fail 1101550;1429042943;ascii_field;eye contact << because when you make eye contact, folks shoot lasers from their eyes into yours 1101551;1429042953;lobbes;^ 1101552;1429042968;adlai;actually there's this game a friend of mine "invented", where you must maintain eye contact whenever it is accidentally (or not) made with a stranger 1101553;1429042984;adlai;this was all fun and games until he met somebody else who appeared to be playing the same game 1101554;1429043006;adlai;(you lose if you're the first to break eye contact) 1101555;1429043036;adlai;there was glass between them, the other guy was sitting in the outside patio of a cafe... and they just stared at eachother until my friend gave up 1101556;1429043154;hanbot;no prize? 1101557;1429043177;adlai;had the glass not been there, i guess tehy'd have been required to either fight or mate 1101558;1429043185;adlai;they would be eachother's prize 1101559;1429043281;hanbot;pretty good safety glass then. 1101560;1429043467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13378 @ 0.0003009 = 4.0254 BTC [-] 1101561;1429043607;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/588076749562318849 1101562;1429043609;assbot;Ascent successful. Dragon enroute to Space Station. Rocket landed on droneship, but too hard for survival. 1101563;1429043711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8374 @ 0.0003009 = 2.5197 BTC [-] 1101564;1429043745;adlai;bird landed on safety glass, but too hard for survival 1101565;1429043764;adlai;this elon, he's a clever guy. oughtta do marketing. 1101566;1429043789;mircea_popescu;ahh that sweet sweet 50mbps pipe 1101567;1429043807;ascii_field;wut 1101568;1429043809;mircea_popescu;3gb ? 1 minute! 1101569;1429043814;ascii_field;50 is sweet ? 1101570;1429043821;mircea_popescu;im old. 1101571;1429043963;mircea_popescu;when restorepkg takes longer to process than wget takes to download one can't complain. 1101572;1429043969;mircea_popescu;and btw, that's one spiffy script! 1101573;1429044070;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i had no idea there was restorepkg for a «Сетунь» ! 1101574;1429044077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18386 @ 0.00030217 = 5.5557 BTC [+] 1101575;1429044093;mircea_popescu;for a who ? 1101576;1429044112;ascii_field;http://www.computer-museum.ru/histussr/12-6.htm 1101577;1429044113;assbot;МЦВМ Сетунь. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHPu7K ) 1101578;1429044116;ascii_field;^ the ternary one 1101579;1429044117;mircea_popescu;lol 1101580;1429044128;ascii_field;you know, the computer mircea_popescu uses 1101581;1429044148;ascii_field;or was that just for signing btc tx. 1101582;1429044159;mircea_popescu;im hosting trilema on cpanel 1101583;1429044165;mircea_popescu;what did you think! 1101584;1429044187;*;ascii_field did not think. was mostly occupied with mining one last bucket of salt before blasting off 1101585;1429044238;mircea_popescu;lol. gl. 1101586;1429045078;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1101587;1429045480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7848 @ 0.0003009 = 2.3615 BTC [-] 1101588;1429046039;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats 1101589;1429046043;gribble;Current Blocks: 352154 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 645 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48730678236.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.44745 1101590;1429046052;TheNewDeal;;;bids 200 1101591;1429046055;gribble;Bitfinex | There are currently 9989.9373 bitcoins demanded at or over 200.0 USD, worth 2101912.00544 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0095 seconds 1101592;1429046094;TheNewDeal;;;bids bitstamp 200 1101593;1429046094;gribble;Error: 'bitstamp' is not a valid non-negative floating point number. 1101594;1429046125;BingoBoingo;;;bids --market buttstamp 200 1101595;1429046125;gribble;Bitstamp | There are currently 2349.8963 bitcoins demanded at or over 200.0 USD, worth 483208.939584 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0509 seconds 1101596;1429046134;BingoBoingo;^ TheNewDeal 1101597;1429046152;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1101598;1429046153;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 218.05, Best ask: 218.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 218.1, 24 hour volume: 52461.868259, 24 hour low: 216.37, 24 hour high: 227.89, 24 hour vwap: None 1101599;1429046160;ben_vulpes;cheep coins! getcher cheep coins! 1101600;1429046164;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttstamp 1101601;1429046166;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 215.24, Best ask: 215.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 215.22, 24 hour volume: 18648.16191006, 24 hour low: 210.0, 24 hour high: 224.8, 24 hour vwap: 218.672310487 1101602;1429046325;mats;whoa 1101603;1429046337;mats;it moves 1101604;1429046364;BingoBoingo;Also responds to buttstamp +1 1101605;1429046456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00030217 = 1.7979 BTC [+] 1101606;1429046919;adlai;wtf 1101607;1429046939;adlai;i swear, you stop looking at a market for a few days, and it goes crazy 1101608;1429046944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00030035 = 2.9434 BTC [-] 1101609;1429046953;*;adlai brb selling dog for bitcoin 1101610;1429046960;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1101611;1429046990;adlai;pawning may be a better term 1101612;1429048225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21547 @ 0.0002997 = 6.4576 BTC [-] {2} 1101613;1429048479;TheNewDeal;thanks BB 1101614;1429048713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11315 @ 0.00030217 = 3.4191 BTC [+] 1101615;1429048963;TheNewDeal;!down 1101616;1429048970;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal 1101617;1429049079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00030217 = 5.016 BTC [+] 1101618;1429049173;jurov;lol TheNewDeal. what a statement. 1101619;1429049567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00030231 = 4.3835 BTC [+] {2} 1101620;1429050848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00030235 = 4.6562 BTC [+] 1101621;1429052434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00029738 = 4.1931 BTC [-] {2} 1101622;1429052739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00030235 = 6.2133 BTC [+] 1101623;1429053166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5710 @ 0.00030235 = 1.7264 BTC [+] 1101624;1429053288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.000302 = 8.4409 BTC [-] {2} 1101625;1429054089;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform jurov lobbes TheNewDeal menahem and everyone else who inquired : http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-i-ended-up-sueing-phoenix-nap-llc-on-how-ira-r-cadwells-mom-stephanies-going-to-lose-her-chula-vista-home-on-how-marcus-bohn-is-going-to-catch-a-lot-of-shit-for-that-on-assorted-oth/#footnote_0_60930 1101626;1429054090;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ctY7WN ) 1101627;1429054095;mircea_popescu;orly. 1101628;1429055484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13532 @ 0.00030068 = 4.0688 BTC [-] {2} 1101629;1429055525;BingoBoingo;Mega lol http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-i-ended-up-suing-phoenix-nap-llc-on-how-ira-r-cadwells-mom-stephanies-going-to-lose-her-chula-vista-home-on-how-marcus-bohn-is-going-to-catch-a-lot-of-shit-for-that-on-assorted-othe/#footnote_3_60930 1101630;1429055526;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cu24Li ) 1101631;1429055624;mircea_popescu;innit. 1101632;1429055656;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough the derps should even know who i am, but of course nobody keeps any sort of track of their customers these days. 1101633;1429055661;mircea_popescu;what was that casino quote, 1101634;1429055682;mircea_popescu;"Today, it's all gone. You get a whale show up with four million in a suitcase, and some twenty-five-year-old hotel school kid is gonna want his Social Security Number." 1101635;1429055727;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1101636;1429055780;BingoBoingo;But I don't think Meatspace Vegas managed to elude the USG's money tracking slime mold 1101637;1429055982;mircea_popescu;tbh i think people by and large just gave up 1101638;1429055990;mircea_popescu;like, on life. not even seriously trying anymore. 1101639;1429056040;mircea_popescu;anyone want btcbase.org / net / etc ? 1101640;1429056094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00030229 = 3.4763 BTC [+] 1101641;1429056118;BingoBoingo;Could be useful for hosting a qntra BTC price index. I'm thinking a static page

$5000/BTC

1101642;1429056141;mircea_popescu;lol 1101643;1429056144;mircea_popescu;you want it ? 1101644;1429056200;BingoBoingo; Not yet. I'll drink a bit, come up with some ideas, and see if any ideas survive the hangover tomorrow afternoon. 1101645;1429056251;mircea_popescu;cool. 1101646;1429056355;asciilifeform;'record locator no valido: xxxxx' 1101647;1429056363;asciilifeform;^ airline 1101648;1429056372;mircea_popescu;?! 1101649;1429056419;*;asciilifeform angrily dusts off phone 1101650;1429056451;BingoBoingo;Maybe email Orlov and see if you can borrow the Tu-95 in the embassy basement 1101651;1429056526;*;asciilifeform has never before beheld such retardation 1101652;1429056685;danielpbarron;What's known as "Internet Brigading" - the situation where a lot of people with no money and no practical importance complain loudly, as if anyone cares what the stupid poor say or think on any topic. << I had this happen to me over a particularly offensive tweet that got featured on some blog 1101653;1429057058;asciilifeform;web checkin widget fails silently; airline's phone is eternal ad loop recording 1101654;1429057129;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you get airline ticket scammed or what's the idea ? 1101655;1429057162;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not detectably scammed, but the confirmation www does not appear to work. 1101656;1429057175;mircea_popescu;tbh half working shit is par foir the course. 1101657;1429057180;mircea_popescu;it DOES have rounded corners, right ? 1101658;1429057187;asciilifeform;certainly! 1101659;1429057194;asciilifeform;and a meg or two of js 1101660;1429057208;asciilifeform;(tried on six different browsers, to be sure) 1101661;1429057529;asciilifeform;phone monkey says 'system issue, our apologies, get your confirmation at the airport' 1101662;1429057802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00030231 = 2.9324 BTC [+] {2} 1101663;1429058171;mircea_popescu;sounds about right. 1101664;1429058577;mats;i loled at the use of the Gadsden flag in that blog post 1101665;1429058706;asciilifeform;after hour of phone tag, i get them to send me some proof that reservation existed... it turns out to be some random person's reservation for entirely other route 1101666;1429058722;*;asciilifeform goes to next level of phone tag 1101667;1429058944;asciilifeform;monkey claims that 'it works' on their end 1101668;1429058953;funkenstein_;that history of pron is fabulous.. welcome back trilema :D 1101669;1429058954;asciilifeform;but refuses to actually do the confirmation 1101670;1429059018;williamdunne;!s way-back machine 1101671;1429059018;assbot;3 results for 'way-back machine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=way-back+machine 1101672;1429059105;williamdunne;mircea, you said I should ask as to why options are no longer issued on MPEX when trilema is back up 1101673;1429059281;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: It's already in there in the early 2014 (February, March?) statements 1101674;1429059301;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Basically price signal sucks, price aggreators really suck 1101675;1429059323;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Thanks Bingo. I'd love to see them in the future 1101676;1429059334;williamdunne;Presuming the above is solved of course! 1101677;1429059455;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Don't take my word, trilema's up dig for the posts 1101678;1429059574;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: It would also be interesting to read your counter-complaint - I can only imagine it follows along the lines of your correspondence with the SEC, but with a few more insults thrown in for good measure 1101679;1429060167;BingoBoingo;Oh, scoopbutt has been missing... 1101680;1429060170;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/brawker-closing/ 1101681;1429060171;assbot;Brawker Closing | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKcTbj ) 1101682;1429060181;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/police-send-spyware-of-lawyer-for-whistle-blower/ 1101683;1429060181;assbot;Police Send Spyware Of Lawyer For Whistle-Blower | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKcZQb ) 1101684;1429060206;BingoBoingo;*title corrected 1101685;1429060259;williamdunne;The redditards were moaning about how much of their stolen money was going to be wasted on new appeal cases because of it 1101686;1429060374;BingoBoingo;Where's this complaining 1101687;1429060440;*;BingoBoingo might consider spending more time in the United States to do law school and become a "Doing it doesn't mean you're guilty" lawyer 1101688;1429060472;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1101689;1429060516;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Congrats, you've been hanging around long enough to make it to the nearly "useful confusion" stage 1101690;1429060671;BingoBoingo;!up virtuals 1101691;1429060749;felipelalli;thanks BingoBoingo! I'd like to read more the logs, it is my TODO list, I just can't priorize too much it in this moment of my life. Also my English is not good as I wish so it is a little hard to me understand everything in full and because that I became a little hesitant to participate. 1101692;1429060807;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Well, the second best way to learn a language is reading stuff. 1101693;1429061069;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: True! Most of my reading is technical stuff, because I am a developer and I am totally focused in it now, learning and developing systems. But it is totally different than the "natural language". I lived 1 year in Australia, it helped me a lot, but I don't feel very comfortable yet. 1101694;1429061128;felipelalli;This is hard to me yet: https://www.englishclub.com/vocabulary/collocations.htm 1101695;1429061129;assbot;Collocations | EnglishClub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKgwy6 ) 1101696;1429061142;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Well, most of the useful subset of English is the technical/business subset. Beyond that the barrister's subset of Englis is useful. 1101697;1429061190;BingoBoingo;Ah, yeah. Only way to get collocations is reading fiction and listening to speakers 1101698;1429061203;adlai;english: yet another common business-oriented language 1101699;1429061222;BingoBoingo;English is COBOL for the mind 1101700;1429061226;adlai;p much. 1101701;1429061247;adlai;teaching it should be a criminal offense! 1101702;1429061269;felipelalli;: ) 1101703;1429061277;adlai;speaking it, a misdemeanor 1101704;1429061369;BingoBoingo;English isn't the worst though. I'm pretty sure modern Hebrew has all of the historical legitimacy of lojban 1101705;1429061523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82314 @ 0.00030235 = 24.8876 BTC [+] 1101706;1429061617;adlai;hebrew is an interesting language... quite regular, quite abstract. basically what you'd expect of a [re]constructed language that gets developed almost exclusively by either military slang or theological discourse 1101707;1429061624;*;BingoBoingo also thinks Prussia should have been surrendered as reparations for the purposes of Establishing a Jewish state after WWII 1101708;1429061683;adlai;well that would've sucked for all the prussians, although i guess they could've been deported to palestine, or uganda 1101709;1429061689;*;BingoBoingo imagines alt-Cold War tempered by Franco-Russian anti-semitism 1101710;1429061695;adlai;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Scheme 1101711;1429061697;assbot;Uganda Scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1atL71Y ) 1101712;1429061720;BingoBoingo;adlai: Nah the Prussians could suffer in Austria. Austrians birthed the Fuher anyways 1101713;1429061766;adlai;the trouble is that the same troublemakers who made trouble, would've made it anyways, even if offered japan along with prussia 1101714;1429061775;adlai;because of all the milk and honey 1101715;1429061812;felipelalli;I heard Korean is a very good (almost artificial) language, like Esperanto. 1101716;1429061833;*;adlai isn't sure esperanto meets any definition of "very good" beyond "has been force-taught to a few kids" 1101717;1429061835;BingoBoingo;adlai: Isn't the dead sea at historic low levels? Canaan is just as much shitty desert as California except it's been abused much longer. 1101718;1429061858;adlai;oh there are plans now 1101719;1429061901;adlai;http://phys.org/news/2013-08-dead-sea-red-environmental-hackles.html 1101720;1429061902;assbot;Dead Sea, Red Sea plan raises environmental hackles ... ( http://bit.ly/1atLwBw ) 1101721;1429061945;adlai;"The desalinated water will go south to (the Jordanian town of) Aqaba, while salt water will be pumped to the Dead Sea," 1101722;1429061947;BingoBoingo;Not to mention the whole part where Canaan is near the center of the former Ottman empire ought to make the area less desirable... Especially after what happened to the Armenians which was still rather recent... 1101723;1429061995;adlai;eh? 1101724;1429062015;adlai;what does the footstool kingdom have to do with the price of eggs in afghanistan 1101725;1429062061;BingoBoingo;Maybe a little, maybe a lot? 1101726;1429062069;adlai;maybe somewhat, or maybe not 1101727;1429062109;BingoBoingo;Just though think of the awesome stoner comedies the Moses bush could have inspired if the Dutch and Jews were neighbors 1101728;1429062140;adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbkduivPBzg 1101729;1429062141;assbot;‫הדג נחש - מה נעשה Hadag Nahash - Ma Naase‬‎ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1atMaik ) 1101730;1429062158;adlai;video is kinda garbage though 1101731;1429062169;adlai;this is what israel's stoners turned out, in isolation 1101732;1429062345;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1101733;1429062365;BingoBoingo;French also has become kind of a fail language. Too Anglicized last century 1101734;1429062377;adlai;oueh 1101735;1429062585;BingoBoingo;;;ud minivan 1101736;1429062585;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minivan | Similar to the shocker (2 fingers in the pink, 1 in the stink), the act of putting 2 fingers in the vagina and a fist up the ass. Called the minivan because it fits 2 in the ... 1101737;1429062593;BingoBoingo;O.o 1101738;1429062668;BingoBoingo;;;ud manchurian handshake 1101739;1429062668;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manchurian+handshake | that bitches ass was so loose, that i gave myself a manchurian handshake; i showed that bitch whats up. by asjkdfhlgajhgk;ajd;sdklfjadkfkasdjfkjq234lkr l24ktj 8iu ... 1101740;1429063027;mod6;haha minivan 1101741;1429063220;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2015#1101664 << shit i didn't even know it had a name. 1101742;1429063220;assbot;Logged on 15-04-2015 00:42:57; mats: i loled at the use of the Gadsden flag in that blog post 1101743;1429063963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27269 @ 0.00029998 = 8.1802 BTC [-] {3} 1101744;1429064030;asciilifeform;congrats to mircea_popescu on ru hosting! 1101745;1429064044;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2015#1101672 << ah yes, 88.68.240.16 1101746;1429064044;assbot;Logged on 15-04-2015 00:51:45; williamdunne: mircea, you said I should ask as to why options are no longer issued on MPEX when trilema is back up 1101747;1429064046;asciilifeform;слава отечеству! (tm) (r) 1101748;1429064046;mircea_popescu;oops 1101749;1429064051;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ < 1101750;1429064051;assbot;MPOE, February 2014 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0KzP1 ) 1101751;1429064058;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually guy's ukrainian. 1101752;1429064083;*;asciilifeform bona fide ukr per usg passport 1101753;1429064098;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha 1101754;1429064107;*;asciilifeform wonders if he can get a new one when o. falls 1101755;1429064137;mircea_popescu;anyway i should prolly publish the bw graph for the week lol. once it came back online it spent a few hours at 2MB/s 1101756;1429064145;mircea_popescu;apparently everyone missed it 1101757;1429064162;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 2MB/s of vaguely humanlike, or of ntp etc ? 1101758;1429064176;mircea_popescu;bout half humans half google 1101759;1429064183;mircea_popescu;apparently google misses trilema, even sent me an email. 1101760;1429064194;asciilifeform;l0l wut 1101761;1429064198;mircea_popescu;i kid you not. 1101762;1429064199;asciilifeform;this exists?! 1101763;1429064202;mircea_popescu;yup 1101764;1429064228;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Does exist 1101765;1429064285;mircea_popescu;felipelalli the funny thing about english as used here is that it's not really familiar to about 90% of native english speakers either. 1101766;1429064304;asciilifeform;'english as she is spoken' (tm) 1101767;1429064312;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: When missing sometimes google does a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV5lzRHrGeg 1101768;1429064313;assbot;Carly Rae Jepsen - I Really Like You - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0L23q ) 1101769;1429064374;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2015#1101708 << you don't understand mitteleuropa. 1101770;1429064374;assbot;Logged on 15-04-2015 01:34:43; adlai: well that would've sucked for all the prussians, although i guess they could've been deported to palestine, or uganda 1101771;1429064382;mircea_popescu;for one thing, the jews didn't WANT austria. 1101772;1429064490;adlai;"english as we mangle it in assetistan" 1101773;1429066525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24314 @ 0.00029385 = 7.1447 BTC [-] {3} 1101774;1429066964;williamdunne;Just read this comment from a couple years back, speaks strongly: 1101775;1429066978;williamdunne;"This is actually a very nice write up. Well done. 1101776;1429066978;williamdunne;The only really amazing thing to me is that we haven't seen this entry on the list: 1101777;1429066978;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1101778;1429066978;williamdunne;"Shady ROMANIAN character opens up unregistered bitcoin options exchange (complete with HTML from 1993) on his personal website (which also hosts porn) and charges exorbitant fees just to join, while constantly accusing pretty much everyone else in the bitcoin community of being a scammer, and, along with his (possibly virtual) -PR lackey, acts like a loudmouthed douchebag ... but apperantly scams no 1101779;1429066978;williamdunne;one." (yet?) 1101780;1429066978;williamdunne;Thank you Mircea for your services to the bitcoin community and for apparently being an honest and trustworthy entrepreneurial businessman. (Making you perhaps the only honest and trustworthy Romanian I know.) 1101781;1429066978;williamdunne;Moral of the story? It can be hard to judge people." 1101782;1429067057;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2015#1101749 - thanks, pretty interesting. Nice screw up by ANX there 1101783;1429067057;assbot;Logged on 15-04-2015 02:14:11; mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ < 1101784;1429067091;mircea_popescu;lol that's from like... 2012 ? 1101785;1429067196;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: The best part is the html comes from no earlier than from some bit later than 1993 1101786;1429067223;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Yep 1101787;1429067239;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Impressive how accurate they are, guessing they must know some backstory 1101788;1429067296;williamdunne;>while constantly accusing pretty much everyone else in the bitcoin community of being a scammer 1101789;1429067296;williamdunne;Even more impressive, because it was almost always right 1101790;1429067297;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: At that time that was written author had plenty of history to work with. 1101791;1429067313;BingoBoingo;!up DigitalDayTrader 1101792;1429067334;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: I need to catch up 1101793;1429067360;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Today I am drinking Vodka to celebrate the advent of more of Bitcoin's history involving MPOE/MPEx than not 1101794;1429067413;williamdunne;Ah I guess its about 3 years since MPEX and 6 years since bitcoin. Thats like a bank lasting from the 1820s in the fiat world 1101795;1429067441;williamdunne;I think MPEX needs a logo carved in stone, preferably with some sort of bird of prey on it 1101796;1429067511;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: A GreyHawk??? 1101797;1429067556;williamdunne;Suitable 1101798;1429067611;mircea_popescu;wow BingoBoingo that's a thing by now huh. 1101799;1429067689;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah 1101800;1429067695;mircea_popescu;cool beans. 1101801;1429068054;williamdunne;I had (what I think) is an interesting idea the other day. Which could be rather educational for some people and entertaining for others 1101802;1429068054;williamdunne;A website focussed at schools/universities/whatever, that would allow you to login via Facebook and "anonymously" make posts about other attendees. And then several months into the operation, slowly begin revealing the names of the OPs - with the option of paying a (bitcoin) bribe to have it not revealed 1101803;1429068054;williamdunne;You just know that if you managed to get a few people on it they would all be dumb enough to sign on with facebook 1101804;1429068120;williamdunne;See if you can throw some police stations/prisons/parliaments in there 1101805;1429068138;mircea_popescu;i don't get what would be the point. 1101806;1429068176;mircea_popescu;you could just as well hire indonesians to write random shit. there's a bunch of "reviews" sites spamming this crap, there was one even discussed in the logs, made an entry about "the bitbet casino" 1101807;1429068188;mircea_popescu;very cringy-obvious never even saw the site. 1101808;1429068213;mircea_popescu;supposedly someone cares enough to pay them, but i kinda doubt it's worth anyone's time. 1101809;1429068261;williamdunne;I thought it would be interesting to see what people are willing to do with anonymity, and what they would pay to keep it 1101810;1429068270;williamdunne;!s spam bitbet 1101811;1429068271;assbot;3 results for 'spam bitbet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spam+bitbet 1101812;1429068332;mircea_popescu;!s bitbet review 1101813;1429068333;assbot;3 results for 'bitbet review' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitbet+review 1101814;1429068346;mircea_popescu;hm 1101815;1429068352;mircea_popescu;i dont actually recall wtf it was called 1101816;1429068467;williamdunne;Lots of bit* or *coins, while its good for recognition awful for memorising. 1101817;1429068506;mircea_popescu;it's awful for everything really. 1101818;1429068544;williamdunne;At least when you see it you know that its got something to do with bitcoin 1101819;1429068674;mircea_popescu;or aspires to. 1101820;1429068721;williamdunne;True, but still in the broad sense 1101821;1429068725;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1101822;1429068731;mircea_popescu;well... that's all for me. later folks. 1101823;1429068741;williamdunne;bye 1101824;1429068903;BingoBoingo;OMG mircea_popescu discovered why even though Islands are shitty the Phillipines interest me as an expatriation point 1101825;1429068949;mats;mircea_popescu: what's 50mb/s cost you in ar? 1101826;1429069287;asciilifeform; ... the Phillipines interest me as an expatriation point << afaik - worst of all worlds: thoroughly usg-owned, but with all the 'pleasures' of the Turd World 1101827;1429069365;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Huge fans of US in general, in Midano with petite al queda USG nexus, but corrupt enough fot civilized living 1101828;1429070444;*;BingoBoingo can not recommend personal fantasy escapes to anyone else 1101829;1429071357;BingoBoingo;!up Pierre_Rochard 1101830;1429072294;BingoBoingo;!up NewLiberty 1101831;1429072299;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1101832;1429073601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24275 @ 0.00028114 = 6.8247 BTC [-] {2} 1101833;1429075559;BingoBoingo;CUffy Nigs perserved in Atlas Shrugged Pt III 1101834;1429079645;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2015#1101825 << wasn't in ar, was server to server, and notrly 50mb, 50MB. 1101835;1429079645;assbot;Logged on 15-04-2015 03:35:49; mats: mircea_popescu: what's 50mb/s cost you in ar? 1101836;1429079885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00029046 = 2.2365 BTC [+] 1101837;1429082049;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl if i recall corectly and you have hosting on the blogs.polimedia.us server with me, please change the ns to ns1.trilema.com ns2.trilema.com the old server is going down. the account has been already moved. 1101838;1429082050;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1101839;1429083545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7448 @ 0.00028327 = 2.1098 BTC [-] 1101840;1429084338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15165 @ 0.0002845 = 4.3144 BTC [+] {3} 1101841;1429085175;mircea_popescu;the morning lulz. http://friskyfairy.com/wp/blog/2015/04/10/1325/ 1101842;1429085596;davout;mircea_popescu: first comment by victoria: "Doctorate in Human Sexuality (DHS). " 1101843;1429085668;mircea_popescu;mmmmyeah 1101844;1429086148;davout;so TIL that testnet doesn't behave like main net and will allow blocks of diff 1 to be mined whenever it "has been too long" between two blocks 1101845;1429086275;davout;"let's make something to test our stuff, but let's make it behave differently" 1101846;1429086280;davout;so much braindamage... 1101847;1429086548;mircea_popescu;yeah 1101848;1429086562;mircea_popescu;because you know, why reset it. 1101849;1429086565;mircea_popescu;toohard.jpg 1101850;1429086900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21234 @ 0.00028885 = 6.1334 BTC [+] {2} 1101851;1429087068;davout;correct solution is "make it possible to configure an arbitrary genesis block" 1101852;1429087090;mircea_popescu;that's what i mean. 1101853;1429087099;mircea_popescu;and iirc that was available. at least at some point. 1101854;1429087111;davout;nah, what has been done, is this -> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/98ba262a48b66cae8478525e809898512e997948 1101855;1429087112;assbot;Reset testnet with a new genesis block · bitcoin/bitcoin@98ba262 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1cveJh2 ) 1101856;1429087127;davout;hardcode a different genesis block, but it's still hardcoded 1101857;1429087162;mircea_popescu;well yeah 1101858;1429088608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16296 @ 0.00028119 = 4.5823 BTC [-] {2} 1101859;1429090316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.0002888 = 3.2923 BTC [+] 1101860;1429090987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00030235 = 1.8595 BTC [+] 1101861;1429093491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11833 @ 0.00029481 = 3.4885 BTC [-] 1101862;1429093904;[]bot;Bet placed: 4.25591684 BTC for No on "Yandex drop under Google before 2016" http://bitbet.us/bet/1134/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.95291684 BTC. Current weight: 97,825. 1101863;1429095343;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bingoboingo re http://qntra.net/2015/04/police-send-spyware-of-lawyer-for-whistle-blower/ how's one know it was intentional, as opposed to you know, tjhe whole department's infected with everything ? 1101864;1429095344;assbot;Police Send Spyware To Lawyer For Whistle-Blower | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HrsRU6 ) 1101865;1429095344;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1101866;1429095867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00030235 = 4.8981 BTC [+] 1101867;1429097628;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/open-parasitic-p2p-relay/ << as promised few days ago. 1101868;1429097629;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1b2LXnq ) 1101869;1429097651;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'll deturd the pdf of the affidavit (probably should have earlier), in the context of the rest of the misconduct it accidentallied its way there isn't too plausible. 1101870;1429097662;mircea_popescu;aha l 1101871;1429097667;mircea_popescu;k* 1101872;1429097755;BingoBoingo;IT guy went to suspicious seminars between the filing of the case and the delivery of evidence 1101873;1429098321;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_modem 1101874;1429098371;ascii_modem;mircea_popescu: re: your p2p rfp: guess what's in my bag... 1101875;1429098432;ascii_modem;and yes, i'm in an airport queue, l0l, laugh all ya want 1101876;1429099759;mats;http://recode.net/2015/04/14/nokia-agrees-to-buy-alcatel-lucent-for-16-6-billion/ via HN 1101877;1429099760;assbot;Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6 Billion | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1b2Qfez ) 1101878;1429099786;ascii_modem;lol nokia still exists?!? 1101879;1429100602;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: updated to include a link to the de-pdf'd affidavit. Lots of exhibits so txt didn't work. 1101880;1429100709;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/bundles/bales/ 1101881;1429100709;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1b2RXN8 ) 1101882;1429100790;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_modem 1101883;1429100855;ascii_modem;re: turdware piece: probably normal infector 1101884;1429100903;ascii_modem;mega-deniable 1101885;1429101011;ascii_modem;run moar winblows (tm) 1101886;1429101296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00030235 = 1.8443 BTC [+] 1101887;1429101408;BingoBoingo;ascii_modem: If you take a look at the affidavit exhibit D is enlightening 1101888;1429101563;BingoBoingo;It's pages 31 through 33 1101889;1429101644;ascii_modem;aha saw 1101890;1429101683;ascii_modem;policedept will answer 'our antivirus was out of date' etc 1101891;1429101765;ascii_modem;usg wins this one - because alternative - holding pd to hygienic standards - is 'skies-fall' mega-inconceivable 1101892;1429101795;mats;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/14/south-africas-ageing-white-mercenaries-who-helped-turn-tide-on-boko-haram 1101893;1429101796;assbot;South Africa's ageing white mercenaries who helped turn tide on Boko Haram | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1b2TRgP ) 1101894;1429102028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3692 @ 0.00030212 = 1.1154 BTC [-] 1101895;1429102054;ascii_modem;there are 'places' to which usg - while exists as such - simply will -not- go, and where the question can only be re: -which- specific set of sophistries will be made use of to avoid going there 1101896;1429102129;ascii_modem;consider - close to 100% of u.s. juridicial whatevers, have winblows in the loop 1101897;1429102169;ascii_modem;everything from the stenotype transcriber to the case law search to... you get the drift 1101898;1429102355;mats;http://freebeacon.com/issues/pentagon-deploys-may-i-kiss-you-training/ 1101899;1429102357;assbot;Pentagon Deploys ‘May I Kiss You?’ Training | Washington Free Beacon ... ( http://bit.ly/1b2UFlA ) 1101900;1429102463;mats;can testify to experiencing such training -- has such gems as 'if you're intoxicated you can't consent', up to and including both parties effectively raping each other if they both happen to be inebriated 1101901;1429102575;mats;http://www.devttys0.com/2015/04/what-the-ridiculous-fuck-d-link/ 1101902;1429102576;assbot;What the Ridiculous Fuck, D-Link?! - /dev/ttyS0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1b2UZ3M ) 1101903;1429102638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00030043 = 5.4228 BTC [-] {2} 1101904;1429102696;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_modem 1101905;1429102753;ascii_modem;mats: precisely same story as microshit's 'stuxnet' patch - and hell knows how many others 1101906;1429103021;mats;hue hue 1101907;1429103212;ascii_modem;bbl - airplane 1101908;1429103309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16455 @ 0.00030235 = 4.9752 BTC [+] 1101909;1429104285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00030264 = 7.6871 BTC [+] {2} 1101910;1429106134;mod6;!t m s.mpoe 1101911;1429106135;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00028056 / 0.00029815 / 0.00030302 (844712 shares, 251.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00023945 / 0.00028215 / 0.00030302 (33104839 shares, 9,340.60 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00027063 / 0.00033536 (112962651 shares, 30,571.56 BTC) 1101912;1429108340;danielpbarron;height=324341 vs height=223552 1101913;1429108921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00028207 = 5.0914 BTC [-] {2} 1101914;1429109466;mod6;nice danielpbarron 1101915;1429110320;danielpbarron;http://friskyfairy.com/wp/blog/2015/04/10/1325/#comment-47836 << LOL the link is removed but this comment is surely about me 1101916;1429110322;assbot;Not Meat, Not Quite a Person: How Fetlife Failed Women Under 30 | ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJmnVE ) 1101917;1429110335;danielpbarron;He's the only person on Twitter who is regularly posting links to that blog site. So the accounts must be connected somehow. Based on that account's Tweets, there's a lot of hostility towards women, feminists, "SJW's", and women related things. 1101918;1429110371;danielpbarron;actually can you not approve my previous comment for moderation. i just realized such a post could direct an entire hate mob at a twitter account and that's not responsible for me to do. This guy could just be a fan of the guy who posted the list. I don't have any solid proof, and even if there was, it would be a matter for the victims and the police only. 1101919;1429110381;danielpbarron;wouldn't be the first time 1101920;1429110467;lobbes;'I don't have any solid proof, and even if there was, it would be a matter for the victims and the police only' < l0l 1101921;1429110525;lobbes;silly how no anger is being directed toward the faulty security of the site itself 1101922;1429110547;lobbes;just 'shoot all messengers!11!' 1101923;1429111617;chetty;lobbes, if people ever actually targeted their anger at the real root of any issue the world would be very different 1101924;1429111924;mats;http://foreignaffairs.com/articles/141527/ray-takeyh/what-really-happened-in-iran Foreign Affairs at work rewriting history 1101925;1429111926;assbot;The Truth About the CIA and Iran | Foreign Affairs ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJzV3I ) 1101926;1429112141;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.0025 BTC for Yes on "Yandex drop under Google before 2016" http://bitbet.us/bet/1134/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.95541684 BTC. Current weight: 97,737. 1101927;1429112327;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/notwaving/status/588365461907189761 1101928;1429112329;assbot;/hashtag/NotMeat?src=hash, Not Quite a Person: How /FetLife Failed Women Under 30 /JohnBaku http://t.co/ZdZYIvq1WA http://t.co/TNdheoBnFb 1101929;1429112460;pete_dushenski;mats: won't load for me. too much js me thinks. 1101930;1429112472;pete_dushenski;probably not a huge loss either way 1101931;1429112550;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: sorta lulzy trollin' 1101932;1429112570;danielpbarron;i'm cracking myself up 1101933;1429112575;pete_dushenski;http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/shopify-to-raise-100m-in-toronto-new-york-ipo-1.3033009 << canadian success! 1101934;1429112576;assbot;Shopify to raise $100M in Toronto, New York IPO - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJF2Rf ) 1101935;1429112582;chetty;eh you dont like what someone says "you're gross", wow how insightful :P 1101936;1429112592;pete_dushenski;http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/toyota-moving-corolla-production-to-mexico-from-cambridge-ont-1.3033661 << canadian failure! 1101937;1429112593;assbot;Toyota moving Corolla production to Mexico from Cambridge, Ont. - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJF6Rc ) 1101938;1429112710;pete_dushenski;so the great white north is left with oilsands and e-commerce, while the mexicans take over the added value industries in the way that china did in the last few decades. 1101939;1429112854;pete_dushenski;that institutional revolutionary party, like the communist party of china, does capitalism better than the rest of the socialist pretenders 1101940;1429112953;pete_dushenski;cihuatlan will rise again! 1101941;1429112964;mircea_popescu;o hai 1101942;1429113013;pete_dushenski;good morning! 1101943;1429113054;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: all your ducks in a row for c3 ? 1101944;1429113056;adlai;that's not how you spell cthulu 1101945;1429113081;mircea_popescu;so far not bad 1101946;1429113179;pete_dushenski;adlai: hm ya, didn't seem quite right.. 1101947;1429113299;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: well i look ever-so-forward to the follow-up articles providing morsels of dispensed wisdom a la dragonfly piece 1101948;1429113343;mircea_popescu;hehe mebbe yeah 1101949;1429113618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00028321 = 2.1666 BTC [+] {2} 1101950;1429114391;ben_vulpes;hola chicas 1101951;1429114466;mircea_popescu;hey there 1101952;1429114487;mircea_popescu;how's portland 1101953;1429114596;ben_vulpes;clear, chilly 1101954;1429114607;ben_vulpes;should surprise everyone with some rain in the afternoon 1101955;1429114611;ben_vulpes;the normal routine 1101956;1429114614;mircea_popescu;aha 1101957;1429114619;ben_vulpes;and ba? 1101958;1429114658;ben_vulpes; [08:21] so TIL that testnet doesn't behave like main net and will allow blocks of diff 1 to be mined whenever it "has been too long" between two blocks << this testnet stuff is bullhockey 1101959;1429114677;ben_vulpes;just make an isolated network and watch it go 1101960;1429114680;ben_vulpes;diddle as desired 1101961;1429114726;davout;ben_vulpes: ideally configure an arbitrary genesis block in config file 1101962;1429114773;ben_vulpes;remind me of why the genesis block matters please? 1101963;1429114801;ben_vulpes;or is this the "rip out all magic constants" thread again 1101964;1429114835;davout;ben_vulpes: if you want a different testnet you just need a different genesis block and a couple ports of your liking 1101965;1429114851;ben_vulpes;no, i don't want a different testnet 1101966;1429114858;davout;well, i do 1101967;1429114869;ben_vulpes;testnet has diverged so far from mainnet that i don't even really understand the point of it anymore 1101968;1429114886;davout;so random fucktards can't point their asics at it preventing me from mining with a cpu 1101969;1429114895;davout;ben_vulpes: define "diverged" 1101970;1429114902;ben_vulpes;well enlighten my sorely sleep deprived ass - what's the use case for testnet? 1101971;1429114933;davout;paymium has a staging environment, and a sandbox environment, both run against testnet 1101972;1429114958;davout;which makes testing easier on a few accounts 1101973;1429114978;ben_vulpes;"diverged" << the whole block diff=1 thing, f.ex. 1101974;1429114987;davout;yea, that's absolutely retarded 1101975;1429115004;davout;if you want some "test thing" make it behave like "real thing" 1101976;1429115005;ben_vulpes;mas o menos that it's not actually a proxy for bitcoin anymore 1101977;1429115016;ben_vulpes;there are odd transaction relay rules etc i think 1101978;1429115025;davout;ugh, didn't know about that 1101979;1429115049;davout;if you have a configurable genesis block it removes the need for testnet entirely 1101980;1429115050;ben_vulpes;yeah there's a mess of branches throughout the codebase that do different things based on "if testnet" 1101981;1429115060;ben_vulpes;no dude but listen 1101982;1429115080;ben_vulpes;if you set your staging and sandboxen up with bitcoinds that only talk to other bitcoinds you control that have never seen the mainchain 1101983;1429115082;davout;testing is for faggots amirite 1101984;1429115097;ben_vulpes;you've just made your own testnet that's...bitcoin. 1101985;1429115111;davout;yep 1101986;1429115127;davout;except i want my customers and partners to use the sandbox for their integrations 1101987;1429115144;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> testnet has diverged so far from mainnet that i don't even really understand the point of it anymore << exactly. which is what he was saying. 1101988;1429115146;ben_vulpes;ooh sticky 1101989;1429115187;davout;the idea is that they can conveniently request coins from the testnet faucet, or mine them, and use them as play money 1101990;1429115205;ben_vulpes;davout: your integrators should be savvy enough to boot into your private testnet. 1101991;1429115209;ben_vulpes;mine their own coins. 1101992;1429115220;mircea_popescu;but it would be a private main net 1101993;1429115222;mircea_popescu;NOT testnet. 1101994;1429115224;ben_vulpes;ding ding ding 1101995;1429115226;davout;and it also has the added advantage that i don't have to do withdrawals on staging/sandbox 1101996;1429115239;mircea_popescu;everyone aspiring to mpexness. 1101997;1429115241;davout;ben_vulpes: i would need a faucet also 1101998;1429115242;*;mats debating whether to buy the Apple Watch to exploit it 1101999;1429115258;ben_vulpes;davout: and so? 1102000;1429115272;mircea_popescu;mats cheap seems to work best for that 1102001;1429115275;ben_vulpes;arbeit macht frei 1102002;1429115277;davout;so i'm lazy 1102003;1429115291;ben_vulpes;pay someone? 1102004;1429115297;davout;i'm jewish 1102005;1429115301;mats;lol. 1102006;1429115303;ben_vulpes;no you're french 1102007;1429115318;davout;bitches don't know bout my venn diagrams 1102008;1429115365;mircea_popescu;vendi-agrams amirite. 1102009;1429115375;ben_vulpes;venti ngrams 1102010;1429115383;ben_vulpes;engrams 1102011;1429115383;mats;got a few comedians in here. 1102012;1429115421;mircea_popescu;don't hate us because we're talented mats 1102013;1429115444;mircea_popescu;ftr, ben_vulpes hasn't slept in five days and just had three triple ristrettos. 1102014;1429115461;mats;thats a good idea 1102015;1429115467;pete_dushenski;speaking of talented, scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/15/the-biggest-question-in-economy-today-is-all-about-the-billions/ 1102016;1429115468;assbot;The biggest question in economy today is all about the billions. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeP0VO ) 1102017;1429115472;mats;avoid sudo at all costs mate 1102018;1429115495;mircea_popescu;mv / * { <<.>> 1102019;1429115560;ben_vulpes;now that's some fd redirecting black magic 1102020;1429115587;ben_vulpes;those were triples!? 1102021;1429115602;ben_vulpes;sheesh i better give up on this nap 1102022;1429115672;mircea_popescu;https://archive.org/stream/socialismofshaw00shaw/socialismofshaw00shaw_djvu.txt < original 1102023;1429115675;assbot;Full text of "The socialism of Shaw" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OePMlG ) 1102024;1429115693;pete_dushenski;a nice. 1102025;1429115724;mircea_popescu;bah fucking bs 1102026;1429115728;mircea_popescu;nah its some "commentary" 1102027;1429115741;mats;what kinda dude loses sleep on a vaca. come on man. 1102028;1429115760;mats;i know, i know, 'small bidness owner'. 1102029;1429116057;ben_vulpes;wait aren't you the one exhibiting early schizo patterns? 1102030;1429116069;mats;... :( 1102031;1429116073;pete_dushenski;http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/author?name=Shaw%2c%20Bernard%2c%201856-1950 << a useful collection of some of shaw's better known plays 1102032;1429116074;assbot;Project Gutenberg Titles by Bernard Shaw (Shaw, Bernard, 1856-1950) ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeRhAe ) 1102033;1429116089;mats;https://github.com/snare/voltron/blob/master/README.md purty colors 1102034;1429116090;assbot;voltron/README.md at master · snare/voltron · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeRjIg ) 1102035;1429116100;mircea_popescu;he is ? 1102036;1429116168;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1094665 << you'd know better than i 1102037;1429116168;assbot;Logged on 10-04-2015 14:53:59; mircea_popescu: you know it's a major sign of early onset schizophrenia among other unsavory things ? 1102038;1429116204;mircea_popescu;i'll be sure to save this for october. 1102039;1429116237;mats;what happens in october? 1102040;1429116249;mircea_popescu;vulpes stop sleeping 1102041;1429116262;ben_vulpes;hyuuuu 1102042;1429116272;ben_vulpes;that's early onset adulthood tho 1102043;1429116279;mircea_popescu;same difference 1102044;1429116283;ben_vulpes;dementia mebbe 1102045;1429116310;mats;ah, babby is born 1102046;1429116326;pete_dushenski;papa vulps ! 1102047;1429116353;ben_vulpes;first con scoop! 1102048;1429116384;pete_dushenski;this is definitely going on qntra 1102049;1429116392;pete_dushenski;!b 4 1102050;1429116392;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1B4VJ5H.txt ) 1102051;1429116398;ben_vulpes;lolk 1102052;1429116423;pete_dushenski;how's lady v doing so far ? 1102053;1429116536;ben_vulpes;made it through trimester i with flying colors 1102054;1429116574;mats;got a baby registry? 1102055;1429116584;mircea_popescu;like for slaves ? 1102056;1429116594;mats;wat 1102057;1429116600;ben_vulpes;wouldn't know what to do with a slave 1102058;1429116605;mircea_popescu;;;google slave registry 1102059;1429116605;gribble;The Slave Register - Master/slave, O&P, SLRN, certificates: ; TSR: Registration Numbers - The Slave Register: ; TSR: Registration How To? - The Slave Register: 1102060;1429116640;mircea_popescu;^ pretty lulzy shit from a bitcoin perspective btw. 1102061;1429116658;mircea_popescu;"centralize all the things" 1102062;1429116680;mircea_popescu;basically the underground just aims to be counter. 1102063;1429116681;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: well mazel tov ! 1102064;1429116688;ben_vulpes;unless the slave stamp is tattooed or branded it's a yawwwwner 1102065;1429116789;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: since this might be news, a baby registry is like a wedding registry, where the expectant couple makes a list of all the things they want from a particular store 1102066;1429116795;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: gratzi 1102067;1429116800;pete_dushenski;then throw a party and people buy them things from that list 1102068;1429116816;ben_vulpes;yeah lady v's working on that thing 1102069;1429116830;mircea_popescu;https://www.slaveregister.com/slrnpictures/large/1379768169.545-756-520.1813.1813.jpg ? 1102070;1429116830;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H84JFF ) 1102071;1429116858;ben_vulpes;heh nb.jpg 1102072;1429116864;pete_dushenski;^sorta like lady v's famous hash, neh ? 1102073;1429116871;pete_dushenski;the one with her and her friend ? 1102074;1429116925;ben_vulpes;some parallel mebbe 1102075;1429116952;pete_dushenski;difference being : permanence 1102076;1429116979;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, https://www.slaveregister.com/slrnpictures/large/1323785056.959-672-577.2670.2128.jpg 1102077;1429116980;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H85te2 ) 1102078;1429117014;ben_vulpes;aha fetlife also does the retarded "U NO CAN DL IMAGES" js 1102079;1429117061;ben_vulpes;ah except they're doing it with css 1102080;1429117062;ben_vulpes;https://flpics2.a.ssl.fastly.net/14/14983/0004e1a2-e8e6-5c37-8c6a-36342ed018a4_720.jpg 1102081;1429117063;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H85VsL ) 1102082;1429117066;pete_dushenski;because screen captures were never invented 1102083;1429117117;mircea_popescu;except that's not theirs ? 1102084;1429117162;mircea_popescu;in related news, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vampirefanged-trucker-who-held-women-as-sex-slaves-and-drilled-down-their-teeth-had-four-more-victims-9860620.html 1102085;1429117163;assbot;‘Vampire-fanged’ trucker who held women as sex slaves and drilled down their teeth 'had four more victims' - Americas - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1H86sL4 ) 1102086;1429117166;ben_vulpes;no but nominally this is one of their users: https://flpics0.a.ssl.fastly.net/14/14983/0004e179-595f-1664-2fb6-b4b4faec6217_958.jpg 1102087;1429117167;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H86t1Q ) 1102088;1429117219;ben_vulpes;"used a small drill to drill down to drill down" << sigh 1102089;1429117272;mircea_popescu;what do you want, it's the press. 1102090;1429117275;mircea_popescu;cheaper to write than to read. 1102091;1429117340;mircea_popescu;by the way, i hear angelina jolie's cutting further bits off ? 1102092;1429117359;ben_vulpes;mats: that voltron thinger looks neat 1102093;1429117364;mircea_popescu;that woman's either got some pretty serious mental issues or else she's like, an experiment in transhumanism 1102094;1429117380;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Her way of going cancer free is to simply get rid of all the parts 1102095;1429117399;mircea_popescu;she's not even got cancer, just "might" 1102096;1429117462;pete_dushenski;absence of evidence != evidence of absence so better cut things off... just to be safe. 1102097;1429117474;hanbot;wait, *off*, as opposed to out?! 1102098;1429117490;pete_dushenski;could be either, really 1102099;1429117502;mircea_popescu;im waiting for her takin ga kidney out to replace it with thiel's latest invention. 1102100;1429117504;hanbot;what else is there to cut off tho? 1102101;1429117507;pete_dushenski;leg cancer ? off with yer leg 1102102;1429117522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00029377 = 3.6427 BTC [+] 1102103;1429117525;*;pete_dushenski not a medical doctor 1102104;1429117548;*;pete_dushenski more thinking along the lines of 'chick cancer' 1102105;1429117576;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: isn't it odd that people can't sell their own organs ? 1102106;1429117606;mircea_popescu;it's politically impossible. they're more valuable as votes than as parts. 1102107;1429117610;pete_dushenski;and equally insane that many people volunteer to donate chunks of their organs... to absolutel strangers ? 1102108;1429117781;BingoBoingo;Most valuable organs are going to come from specially farmed teenagers. 1102109;1429117792;pete_dushenski;with that, i'm off. safe travels to all and another hearty congratulations to ben_vulpes !! 1102110;1429117895;ben_vulpes;later pete 1102111;1429117917;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2013#381188 << apropos of not a whole lot my brother played the villian in this musical 1102112;1429117917;assbot;Logged on 17-11-2013 04:48:54; asciilifeform: 'it's a Privilege to pee!' 1102113;1429117918;davout;mircea_popescu: "it's politically impossible. they're more valuable as votes than as parts." <<< lol nice 1102114;1429117947;davout;giving still allowed 1102115;1429118022;ben_vulpes;"ph4mly and phr13ndz only" 1102116;1429118053;ben_vulpes;otherwise there's a deserving young man we want to give the gift of driving his car into a tree two years from the transplant 1102117;1429118742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8305 @ 0.00029377 = 2.4398 BTC [+] 1102118;1429119047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00029377 = 2.9377 BTC [+] 1102119;1429119108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00029377 = 2.4824 BTC [+] 1102120;1429119230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00029377 = 2.7467 BTC [+] 1102121;1429120053;danielpbarron;https://bter.com/article/4992 1102122;1429120055;assbot;Bter’s Investment Plan – High Return - Bter News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FU5ZL1 ) 1102123;1429120142;danielpbarron;Store my BTC in the wallet would not add its value... Invest my BTC in the fixed term plan would make it unavailable to me when the price soars... 1102124;1429120187;danielpbarron;Bter's investment Plan is made for you! Trade or withdraw the invested BTC any time -- Receive the up to 10 % annualized return automatically 1102125;1429120212;danielpbarron;^ comic sans text scraped from image 1102126;1429122917;trinque;danielpbarron: easy gains?! where do I sign? 1102127;1429124077;ben_vulpes;ahhh i fell down a tweethole 1102128;1429124079;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/ALLCAPSBRO 1102129;1429124082;assbot;HEALTH GOTH BRO (@ALLCAPSBRO) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKZThx ) 1102130;1429124427;mats;http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/15/middleeast/iraq-isis/ 1102131;1429124428;assbot;Ramadi could fall to ISIS offensive, Iraq official says - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL0yPO ) 1102132;1429124512;mats;meanwhile the west is spinning the absolute ruin of Tikrit as some kind of win against IS 1102133;1429124792;mats;IS leaves the city a smoking crater in the ground with 2k IA troops dead, and traded about 1k IS souls for the effort 1102134;1429124842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 58 @ 0.03944713 = 2.2879 BTC [+] {8} 1102135;1429125818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00030226 = 4.0201 BTC [+] 1102136;1429126123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00029159 = 1.4871 BTC [-] 1102137;1429127343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00029159 = 3.9656 BTC [-] 1102138;1429127709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00030227 = 3.1436 BTC [+] {2} 1102139;1429128425;mircea_popescu; Ramadi could fall to ISIS offensive, Iraq official says << heh. 1102140;1429128472;mircea_popescu;mats teh us & allies "west" is in the position of the prison bitch that "dominates". 1102141;1429129442;danielpbarron;https://modelviewculture.com/news/what-the-fetlife-meatlist-tells-us-about-bdsm-culture 1102142;1429129443;assbot; What The Fetlife Meatlist Tells Us About BDSM Culture | Model View Culture ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHGa29 ) 1102143;1429129473;danielpbarron;The creator of this list claims that he is motivated by the altruistic goal of pressuring Bitlove (the creators of Fetlife) into implementing security fixes to prevent these sort of attacks happening in the future. Unfortunately, the so-called "meat" advertised by the list is comprised exclusively of female-identifying members under the age of 30. 1102144;1429129540;danielpbarron;The information has been curated for and advertised to an audience of predominantly cis male sexual predators, that now have a well-laid out database of disproportionately vulnerable and inexperienced potential victims who may be unlikely to expose their alternative lifestyle by going to the police or perusing other means of defense. 1102145;1429131187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00030302 = 1.7121 BTC [+] 1102146;1429132677;mats;danielpbarron: i'm surprised you haven't harassed her over twitter yet 1102147;1429132901;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/TheFriskyFairy/status/588376214202494976 1102148;1429132904;assbot;/hashtag/NotMeat?src=hash, Not Quite a Person: How /FetLife Failed Women Under 30 /JohnBaku http://t.co/ZdZYIvq1WA http://t.co/TNdheoBnFb 1102149;1429135579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48584 @ 0.00030302 = 14.7219 BTC [+] 1102150;1429137166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00028764 = 7.1335 BTC [-] {2} 1102151;1429137227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00028031 = 2.1304 BTC [-] 1102152;1429137401;williamdunne;Why do people not try to secure data they want to remain private?! 1102153;1429137445;jurov;that's not a part of consumer expectation 1102154;1429137452;jurov;at least not at first 1102155;1429137584;williamdunne;Hmm. 1102156;1429137594;williamdunne;"No this is private data" 1102157;1429137597;williamdunne;"How so?" 1102158;1429137606;williamdunne;"Because I want it to be private" 1102159;1429137628;williamdunne;(While leaving it on bench outside their house) 1102160;1429137640;jurov;but they were private. till bad mircea made it available to predators. 1102161;1429137667;williamdunne;If anything, I would say mircea raped them 1102162;1429137680;williamdunne;When you think about it, that is really a logical comparison 1102163;1429137710;williamdunne;(/s) 1102164;1429137854;jurov;more like a revelation they have had aids (hope my tense is correct) 1102165;1429137898;williamdunne;I believe that would be "they have aids" 1102166;1429137924;williamdunne;will get aids, have had aids (was cured), have aids 1102167;1429137951;jurov;ah. i meant, it must have been (lol) happening for some time 1102168;1429137967;jurov;whoever wanted, pulled the data, too 1102169;1429138010;lobbes;even if fetlife -had- proper security, there's still the whole 'once on internet, it is forever on internet' that people fail to grok 1102170;1429138255;punkman;'once on internet, it is forever on internet' << not really 1102171;1429138304;punkman;shartups disappear all the time 1102172;1429138400;lobbes;shartup might, but you have to think someone -may- have archived the history somewhere 1102173;1429138410;funkenstein_;in this case it was published in a public forum for all to see 1102174;1429138432;funkenstein_;only not originally indexed in an easy to use way 1102175;1429138564;funkenstein_;what happens in vegasnet stays on vegasnet 1102176;1429138576;lobbes;yeah, some d00d with no life could, in theory, spend a year screencapping and manually indexing each and every profile. 1102177;1429138596;punkman;disks and backups fail too 1102178;1429138613;punkman;http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Deathwatch#Dead_as_a_Doornail 1102179;1429138615;assbot;Deathwatch - Archiveteam ... ( http://bit.ly/1CLWwlu ) 1102180;1429138663;jurov;i'm sure nsa/palantir has bettr process than screencapping 1102181;1429138896;funkenstein_;in other news, afaik all major 中国 banks require IE 10 for all online banking 1102182;1429139583;funkenstein_;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/04/14/putin-bests-pop-stars-to-win-the-time-100-readers-poll/ 1102183;1429139584;assbot; Vladimir Putin is the most influential person in the world, Time readers say - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuJGo ) 1102184;1429139728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00027988 = 7.8506 BTC [-] {2} 1102185;1429139736;funkenstein_;!up wao 1102186;1429140216;lobbes;hmm, I'm probably doing it wrong, but I keep getting 'BAD signature' when trying to verify the 0.5.3.1 README 1102187;1429140221;lobbes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150318/README_f53e601e464af51f37d2b1f2ed38a7e8712a5462.txt.sig 1102188;1429140221;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJx7gm ) 1102189;1429140225;lobbes;anyone else been able to verify? 1102190;1429141802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00028082 = 2.5133 BTC [+] 1102191;1429142567;danielpbarron;lobbes, http://danielpbarron.com/lobbes.txt 1102192;1429142568;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zibKNE ) 1102193;1429142968;mircea_popescu;williamdunne there's a HUGE difference between people securing data and random service not allowing enumeration. 1102194;1429143021;mircea_popescu;lobbes it's all a matter of costs. the fact that a dude could do X at a cost of 10 dollars a head means X is only getting done if worth 10 bucks. which is why making it cost 0.0000001 is stupid. 1102195;1429143052;mircea_popescu;this is quite universal btw, the "copyright infringement" trolls do itall the time. they get a list of ips, then sue "john does" and ask the isps to reveal the identities 1102196;1429143064;mircea_popescu;had they sued used individually it'd be like ~350 bucks a user, which is more than what's worth 1102197;1429143083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12965 @ 0.00027951 = 3.6238 BTC [-] 1102198;1429143083;mircea_popescu;(they get ~20% success rate on a value of about $1k per sucker suckered to settle with them) 1102199;1429143094;mircea_popescu;however, if they do it en masse, that 350 is certain to amortise. 1102200;1429143205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8578 @ 0.0002825 = 2.4233 BTC [+] 1102201;1429143278;mircea_popescu;davout i do what i can >D 1102202;1429143435;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Sure, that is what I mean. If you don't want your users data being public/publicly searchable you shouldn't leave it out on the porch 1102203;1429143449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10314 @ 0.00028636 = 2.9535 BTC [+] {2} 1102204;1429143612;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1102205;1429143634;mircea_popescu;prolly a good place to link http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/#comment-112224 1102206;1429143635;assbot;Fetlife, the meat market on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zier1G ) 1102207;1429143937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00029064 = 2.2961 BTC [+] 1102208;1429144390;mod6;<+danielpbarron> lobbes, http://danielpbarron.com/lobbes.txt << thanks for checking that 1102209;1429144391;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zifOxr ) 1102210;1429144851;BingoBoingo;!up chiral 1102211;1429144868;chiral;winning 1102212;1429144974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00027951 = 5.157 BTC [-] 1102213;1429145071;williamdunne;Lol, someone is trying to declared independence/sovereignty in a 7km2 piece of land that neither Serbia nor Croatia wants. 1102214;1429145071;williamdunne;http://liberland.org/en/about/ 1102215;1429145072;assbot;Liberland.org - About Liberland ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hv8NQN ) 1102216;1429145117;williamdunne;*trying to declare 1102217;1429145140;williamdunne;Well, I supposed they've successfully declared it; its just the maintaining of it that will be tricky 1102218;1429145225;williamdunne;"Scanned valid identity card or a part of valid passport with your photo where you can digitally black out all text data except first name, last name, gender, date of birth, nationality, date of issue and validity date (you can black out identification number, social security number, signature, etc.). The data will be used to issue ID documents for citizens of Liberland. If the scanned document does not 1102219;1429145225;williamdunne;contain your current permanent address, please give it in the message text of the e-mail." 1102220;1429145271;mircea_popescu;mmmmkay. 1102221;1429145373;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/since-rebecca-hiles-broke-her-wp-heres-some-comments-to-stuff-on-her-site/ 1102222;1429145374;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hvadec ) 1102223;1429145380;mircea_popescu;since we're doing this now apparently. 1102224;1429145462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.0002892 = 6.4202 BTC [+] {2} 1102225;1429145691;mike_c;mircea_popescu: want to plug the new host? who won the evaluation? 1102226;1429145710;mircea_popescu;mike_c i just ended up with a bunch of boxen 1102227;1429145716;mircea_popescu;anyway, ns1/ns2.trilema.com 1102228;1429145897;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7f51898daf9d16ae65288e831088e5f3/tumblr_nclm9uw2Xp1smcfy6o1_250.gif 1102229;1429145898;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zikh38 ) 1102230;1429145930;mike_c;polacks! well hopefully they have a stiff spine. 1102231;1429145949;mircea_popescu;http://thefriskyfairy.tumblr.com/search/erotica dude she's bad. 1102232;1429145950;assbot;Frisky Fairy Sex Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1zikpzN ) 1102233;1429146255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22072 @ 0.00027969 = 6.1733 BTC [-] {2} 1102234;1429146621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00029064 = 3.3424 BTC [+] 1102235;1429146847;mircea_popescu;http://www.alamogordonews.com/alamogordo-news/ci_27921272/alamogordo-news << check out that shit 1102236;1429146849;assbot; Alamogordo police logs (April 10 - April 13) - Alamogordo Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HvgdDG ) 1102237;1429146854;mircea_popescu;EVERYONE is in "magistrate court". 1102238;1429146856;mircea_popescu;aka, stalin 1102239;1429146860;mircea_popescu;s judicial police. 1102240;1429146987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00027911 = 3.5168 BTC [-] {2} 1102241;1429147049;mircea_popescu;Daniel Duva, 21, of the 1200 block of Iowa Avenue was ticketed for alleged abandonment of a child. The investigation revealed that she had fallen asleep while watching her child, allowing the child to leave the residence. She is to appear in Municipal Court. 1102242;1429147051;mircea_popescu;imagine that! 1102243;1429147170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00029064 = 4.999 BTC [+] 1102244;1429147195;mats;anyone here with access to an up-to-date Snort ruleset? 1102245;1429147475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00029064 = 1.584 BTC [+] 1102246;1429147711;trinque;who can claim we're not a totalitarian police state, when a child can be snatched away from parents becaues it's... outside 1102247;1429148207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16373 @ 0.00028215 = 4.6196 BTC [-] 1102248;1429148938;mircea_popescu;well it looks more like she has to take a day off from work be derped at in court. 1102249;1429149471;trinque;http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/28783266/free-range-kids << free range... holy lol 1102250;1429149473;assbot;Maryland 'free-range kids' taken into CPS custody - DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG ... ( http://bit.ly/1OE5CIF ) 1102251;1429149881;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/TheFriskyFairy/status/588433975133233152 << epic. 1102252;1429149882;assbot;/hashtag/Support?src=hash a /hashtag/sexpositive?src=hash /hashtag/BDSM?src=hash /hashtag/community?src=hash /hashtag/leader?src=hash! Don't let one of ours go /hashtag/homeless?src=hash, please. http://t.co/Y9cCU6UyEC via /gofundme 1102253;1429149887;mircea_popescu;homeless "community leader" 1102254;1429149892;mircea_popescu;someone should send them taaki 1102255;1429150342;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron lol having twitter fun ? 1102256;1429150449;danielpbarron;ya 1102257;1429150494;mircea_popescu;i think that's an offence. 1102258;1429150587;mircea_popescu;http://www.gofundme.com/j-asi << dude check it out, all she needs is 500, all she got is 75 1102259;1429150588;assbot;Support our ASI community leader! by Submissives Initiative - GoFundMe ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEan4X ) 1102260;1429150595;mircea_popescu;maybe she should consider doing a bit tit pic. 1102261;1429150657;trinque;maybe humiliating herself is her fetish 1102262;1429150746;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB6tNtaXIAEub8Q.jpg 1102263;1429150747;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEb51Z ) 1102264;1429150814;mircea_popescu;http://ontariokink.com/thoughts-meat-list/#comment-111 but wait there'sd more!11 1102265;1429150815;assbot;My thoughts on the FetLife "Meat List" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEbj9A ) 1102266;1429150854;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i meant specifically as per the pay for your tits article, and i meant the homeless "leader" chick 1102267;1429150870;mircea_popescu;tho i guess the angry fattie "educator" could do the same. 1102268;1429150952;williamdunne;Holy shit 1102269;1429150960;williamdunne;She's working on her BA in Gender Studies 1102270;1429150965;trinque;of course 1102271;1429150965;williamdunne;She is a living stereotype 1102272;1429150967;williamdunne;10/10 1102273;1429151057;williamdunne;'Kink Advocate' - is this not the sexual equivalent of advocating the usage of Xbones over PS4s and other similarly childish 'debates' 1102274;1429151193;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah. 1102275;1429151196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14504 @ 0.00027671 = 4.0134 BTC [-] 1102276;1429151207;mircea_popescu;well... if you can't raise dicks, you can always raise awarenesses. 1102277;1429151240;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: or blame the lack of raising dicks on the patriarchy 1102278;1429151304;trinque;!b 2 1102279;1429151304;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1DEKQME.txt ) 1102280;1429151396;lobbes;'So my issue with the “Meat List” is not simply that some asshat breached the privacy of people in my community, but rather the tone of how women are regarded by this person' heh, form over function, neh? 1102281;1429151426;mircea_popescu;ftr, the comment i left was "Dont flatter yourself too much. On the basis of this text, which is about as much as I can be bothered to review, you are not intelligent in any sense, and uncognizant in the strictest sense." 1102282;1429151433;mircea_popescu;almost half-curious as to whether it gets through 1102283;1429151478;lobbes;danielpbarron, thank you for verifying that sig, btw. I think I see what I was doing wrong (n00b move, over here) 1102284;1429151494;danielpbarron;it took me a few tries to get it to work 1102285;1429152094;mats;#b-a dropping bombs as usual 1102286;1429152111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00027808 = 2.6 BTC [+] {2} 1102287;1429152416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00029103 = 2.2118 BTC [+] {2} 1102288;1429153592;mats;anyone have an idea how to google strings of symbols? escaping doesn't seem to work 1102289;1429153607;williamdunne;Example of what you are trying to do 1102290;1429153632;danielpbarron;!up ascii_bolivia 1102291;1429153634;mats;e.g. mp's earlier thing, mv / * { <<.>> 1102292;1429153642;ascii_bolivia;ty danielpbarron 1102293;1429153711;mircea_popescu;!up broz 1102294;1429153730;williamdunne;Would it work if done in quotation marks? 1102295;1429153730;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_bolivia 1102296;1429153734;ascii_bolivia;so i get to kill some hours in this rathole, and sit down, order caek 1102297;1429153742;mircea_popescu;da fuck you doing in... bolivia 1102298;1429153743;ascii_bolivia;cakeman balks 1102299;1429153745;mircea_popescu;you terrorisk ? 1102300;1429153758;ascii_bolivia;i then wonder if mistook my grammar 1102301;1429153773;ascii_bolivia;turns out he cannot eat 20 usd banknotez 1102302;1429153779;mircea_popescu;lol 1102303;1429153782;mats;williamdunne: no. first thing i tried 1102304;1429153794;ascii_bolivia;neighbour asks 'ey, you, where from' 1102305;1429153806;ascii_bolivia;me: amerika. vashington. 1102306;1429153810;mircea_popescu;no cake for you ? 1102307;1429153811;ascii_bolivia;he: you look liar. 1102308;1429153813;ascii_bolivia;[sic] 1102309;1429153824;mats;lol 1102310;1429153863;trinque;ascii_bolivia: did the TSA check your oil on the way? 1102311;1429153868;mircea_popescu;in b-a today : alf tries to scam illiterate bolivian. fails. 1102312;1429153882;ascii_bolivia;trinque: the mega-funny is that they checked nothing 1102313;1429153901;mats;too white and boring 1102314;1429153905;ascii_bolivia;trinque: low day on the terrorthermometer or whatnot. 1102315;1429153908;ascii_bolivia;or what mats said 1102316;1429153914;trinque;lol, bag full of boxes full of circuits and wires 1102317;1429153918;trinque;*yawn* come on through 1102318;1429153923;ascii_bolivia;in and out of the queue in <5 min stateside 1102319;1429153929;mircea_popescu;i think they only check people they don't know are terrorists 1102320;1429153942;ascii_bolivia;^ 1102321;1429153958;mircea_popescu;which is kinda why it helps being a known terrorist. faster queues. 1102322;1429153969;mats;5min? you got tsa pre check or something? 1102323;1429153979;ascii_bolivia;mats: did, but it was a scam 1102324;1429153986;ascii_bolivia;only works on the way -in- apparently 1102325;1429153987;mats;dulles is hellish year round 1102326;1429154093;ascii_bolivia;i am almost disappointed at the lack of 'massage' in the airport - even brought special computer, holding no secrets, expecting it to be imaged at the conveyor 1102327;1429154116;ascii_bolivia;specially saved for such occasions, apple box, with contempt 1102328;1429154123;trinque;mats | anyone have an idea how to google strings of symbols? escaping doesn't seem to work << http://symbolhound.com 1102329;1429154124;assbot;SymbolHound: Search Better. 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( http://bit.ly/1OEsDv5 ) 1102330;1429154187;mats;trinque: thanks 1102331;1429154249;*;ascii_bolivia last slept around 40 hrs ago 1102332;1429154273;mircea_popescu;i hear if you sleep in bolivia your ass loosens 1102333;1429154284;ascii_bolivia;esp at vvi 1102334;1429154297;ascii_bolivia;i can feel its wavefunction wobble already 1102335;1429154304;ascii_bolivia;just from sitting here 1102336;1429154341;ascii_bolivia;ratty lunch counter, doesn't serve anything, and looks like hasn't in a decade or two - but little cakes in the fridge. probably same vintage 1102337;1429154400;*;ascii_bolivia clarified that he ate a thing that was -not- this. at least not detectably. 1102338;1429154470;mircea_popescu;delectably ? 1102339;1429154483;ascii_bolivia;not quite. 1102340;1429154486;mircea_popescu;hey, im stuffing myself with black forest and cognac over here, can't say i don't feel for you. 1102341;1429154493;ascii_bolivia;l0l 1102342;1429154506;ascii_bolivia;that thing tasted -precisely- as folks reading this would expect such a dish to taste. 1102343;1429154586;mircea_popescu;check your privifridge. 1102344;1429154589;ascii_bolivia;a .ar flunkie strolled in, collected receipt for the 'pay to come here' thing 1102345;1429154600;ascii_bolivia;and signature. then walked off 1102346;1429154640;ascii_bolivia;who's already partying? ben_vulpes ? 1102347;1429154645;mircea_popescu;you know between here and there it's nothing but inhospitable rocky crags populated by gay stone-age natives ? 1102348;1429154663;ascii_bolivia;mircea_popescu: this was abundantly obvious to unarmed eye from airplane window 1102349;1429154685;ascii_bolivia;bolivia looks quite like north kr, for instance 1102350;1429154688;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least they've got no soldering irons naimean ? 1102351;1429154714;mircea_popescu;it is exactly nr, if the escaped chicks i met are to be believed. 1102352;1429154733;mircea_popescu;economy crashed and burned, people sorta-halfassed rebelled, military steamrolled them and that "took care of it" 1102353;1429154751;mircea_popescu;no everyone's waiting "for things to improve". you know, like things do. 1102354;1429154758;mircea_popescu;by themselves. 1102355;1429154767;ascii_bolivia;i know a fella from there in meatspace. goes back, forth. 1102356;1429154779;mircea_popescu;prolly for the cheap cunt. 1102357;1429154826;mircea_popescu;the inescapable advantage of all shitholes - that at least the women don't actually have the time&leisure to be annoying. 1102358;1429155155;lobbes;!up ascii-bolivia 1102359;1429155179;mircea_popescu;alf forgot to pedal 1102360;1429155186;ascii-bolivia;aha 1102361;1429155189;ascii-bolivia;approximately 1102362;1429155244;ascii-bolivia;mircea_popescu: re: the rebecca hiles article << mindblowing showcase of 'usa is world' thing 1102363;1429155254;mircea_popescu;how so ? 1102364;1429155326;ascii-bolivia;'If he were posting anything that wasn’t publicly viewable on the site then he could be brought in on other charges... The court would order him to take it down... ' 1102365;1429155343;ascii-bolivia;do these folks not get spam ? 1102366;1429155384;mircea_popescu;ah. well he principally comes off as dumber than a box of dumb bells because he starts from what he wants the facts to say and then forces some sort of factoids into that. 1102367;1429155392;mircea_popescu;like that joke about the policemen. 1102368;1429155422;mircea_popescu;holy shit. apparently online en dictionaries have lost a meaning of sufficient. 1102369;1429155454;mircea_popescu;to be sufficient is to be ignorant and disinterested in the matter, yo! 1102370;1429155461;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ9FCRTFezY&t=29s one of my favorite Generation Kill scenes 1102371;1429155463;assbot;Generation Kill - "The sand was very evil" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9IOOm ) 1102372;1429155672;ascii-bolivia;i still can't figure out if these astonishing specimens actually -believe- ... this - or merely pretend 1102373;1429155753;mircea_popescu;mats dude those things look vulnerable as all shit. 1102374;1429155774;mircea_popescu;seriously, this is how it works ? mounted repeating tinycannon on an open truck chassis ? 1102375;1429155782;ascii-bolivia;what they believe - or pretend to - if one were to dignify it with a reduction to logical terms which make sense to a normal person, is: that usg is sorta like a searchlight, that cannot cover the whole universe simultaneously but can certainly be pointed at miscreants as need be, when their turn comes 1102376;1429155790;mircea_popescu;what happens if someone throws them a frag ? 1102377;1429155820;mats;they are vulnerable 1102378;1429155838;mircea_popescu;so how do they work ? 1102379;1429155844;ascii-bolivia;mircea_popescu: 'what happens if' was probably omitted from consideration because 'orc could never get close enough' 1102380;1429155848;mats;lotta dudes died taking and holding baghdad and fallujah 1102381;1429155877;ascii-bolivia;just as the $maxint single-shot chemical laser that fits in most of a 'boeing' is vulnerable to nothing more than frag 1102382;1429155884;mircea_popescu;so basically what is this stupid shit, "we never heard of petain" ? 1102383;1429155899;mircea_popescu;"we can conquer any position but we need someone to hold our wiener if we take a leak" ? 1102384;1429155954;mats;yeah. it was early and us mil hadn't had to take and hold a city in some time 1102385;1429155968;mircea_popescu;sucks. 1102386;1429155976;mats;no MRAPs for iraq invasion 1102387;1429155993;williamdunne;Is Mike_C still working on the WoT site implemenation? 1102388;1429156001;williamdunne;implementation 1102389;1429156118;ascii-bolivia;wtf; there is a -coin operated pNohe charger here-. 1102390;1429156131;ascii-bolivia;drop coin and... what? stand next to it for an hour ? 1102391;1429156138;ascii-bolivia;am i just think or what 1102392;1429156176;ascii-bolivia;*thick 1102393;1429156199;*;ascii-bolivia can feel his brain coming out of nose, ears 1102394;1429156208;mircea_popescu;you had too much ? 1102395;1429156220;ascii-bolivia;not enough 1102396;1429156228;mircea_popescu;mats http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/1st_MaxxPros_in_Iraq.jpg << but... these have no weaponry ?! 1102397;1429156232;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CMMVLh ) 1102398;1429156273;mircea_popescu;the TAB-77 actually looks like it's 30 years ahead of those things. 1102399;1429156277;mircea_popescu;and it was made 30 years ago 1102400;1429156313;mats;well the mrap is more for counter ied operations 1102401;1429156320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00028804 = 3.0244 BTC [-] 1102402;1429156331;mats;sappers tend to ride those and huskies while doing route clearance 1102403;1429156351;mircea_popescu;i can't escape this feeling that us materiel is broken. 1102404;1429156362;mats;http://c-s-i.com/vehicles/husky-mk-iii/ 1102405;1429156363;assbot;CSI » Husky MK III Vehicle Mounted Mine Detector ... ( http://bit.ly/1CMNl4m ) 1102406;1429156369;mircea_popescu;maybe it's because i'm ignorant, which... i haven't been following much 1102407;1429156402;mircea_popescu;mats soo... the converted debeere plow ?! 1102408;1429156428;mats;yeah. add some jamming and sensing equipment. 1102409;1429156494;mircea_popescu;why not just add six inches of composite armor sandwiched between steel plate and tracks ? 1102410;1429156518;mats;because insurgents change up the targeting 1102411;1429156527;mircea_popescu;what the fuck are they going to do ? 1102412;1429156564;mats;e.g. piling on explosives next to highway barriers to direct blast against the side of the vehicle 1102413;1429156578;mats;and use command det instead 1102414;1429156597;mike_c;williamdunne: yes. 1102415;1429156610;mircea_popescu;you can actually make vehicle so tough that no blast can do anything but move it 1102416;1429156612;mike_c;pop by c3 for a demo. or wait til next week. 1102417;1429156621;mircea_popescu;and at 10-20 tons... they'll just blow out the barrier instead 1102418;1429156634;mats;they have ru materiel 1102419;1429156641;mircea_popescu;yea, but 80s 1102420;1429156659;mircea_popescu;!up would-liquify 1102421;1429156664;mats;and just cook the dudes inside with a penetrative round 1102422;1429156665;would-liquify;will liquify! 1102423;1429156684;mircea_popescu;(the sikriti io kept waiting for the us to open up - all the upset @ russia is over the rape they're delivering to us army via proxy in mid east) 1102424;1429156685;mats;which is what the netting is for 1102425;1429156705;mircea_popescu;would-liquify not really. people routinely survive 6g. calculate the blast that will accelerate a 10 ton apv at 6g 1102426;1429156708;would-liquify;eh, nets just resulted in tandem warheads 1102427;1429156720;would-liquify;mircea_popescu: it isn't a g thing 1102428;1429156723;would-liquify;but shockwave damage 1102429;1429156733;would-liquify;(vs overpressure. separate animals) 1102430;1429156733;mats;generally in an attempt to catch the round and cause premature explosion 1102431;1429156733;mircea_popescu;wave doesn't get inside. 1102432;1429156750;would-liquify;mircea_popescu: sure it does. visit the drooling patients. 1102433;1429156759;would-liquify;it not only gets inside, 1102434;1429156761;mircea_popescu;i meant inside the vehicle. 1102435;1429156767;would-liquify;but skullcase acts as a waveguide for it 1102436;1429156792;would-liquify;i spoke with a fella who had a very interesting, and - as far as i could surmise, accurate - machine model for it 1102437;1429156873;would-liquify;on the purely overpressure end of things - throwing the tank four stories high and letting the contents 'splat' also works. 1102438;1429156879;would-liquify;for whatever value of tank 1102439;1429156915;mats;sappers had worst job in theatre for a decade 1102440;1429156933;would-liquify;decade?! 1102441;1429156956;mats;relegated to route clearance instead of hunting enemy 1102442;1429156972;would-liquify;when did sappers hunt anything 1102443;1429156977;mircea_popescu;would-liquify calculate the blast nbeeded to launch tank those 10 meters high 1102444;1429156982;mircea_popescu;tank, generously, 10 tons. 1102445;1429156985;mircea_popescu;rather than 45. 1102446;1429157006;mats;i don't know all that much about sappers historically 1102447;1429157011;would-liquify;mircea_popescu: standard 20kg charge ? 1102448;1429157018;mircea_popescu;um. 1102449;1429157022;*;would-liquify not sapper 1102450;1429157032;mats;i was personally trained to fight in urban environments and handle demo 1102451;1429157037;mircea_popescu;nope. a 20kg charge will lift a single 10 ton slab about a foot. 1102452;1429157049;mats;and some mine clearance here and there 1102453;1429157056;mircea_popescu;fracture it, if it fractures, yes. but lift it 10 meters ? hardly./ 1102454;1429157068;would-liquify;it would be interesting to calculate the optimum here from first principles 1102455;1429157073;mircea_popescu;it would. 1102456;1429157074;mats;no crawling around trenches, emplacing c wire, wutever 1102457;1429157076;would-liquify;but i do not know enough about the energy transfer 1102458;1429157081;mircea_popescu;because you realise, most of the pressure escapes to sides 1102459;1429157083;mircea_popescu;less resistance 1102460;1429157089;mircea_popescu;and the higher it gets - exponentially more so. 1102461;1429157109;mircea_popescu;by the time you're a meter up, you're looking at a small projection on a circle. 1102462;1429157122;mircea_popescu;(crater hole is also inside circle, so your radius is not the 1 m you lifted the tank 1102463;1429157188;pete_dushenski;;;seen BingoBoingo 1102464;1429157188;gribble;BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 25 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: !up chiral 1102465;1429157202;would-liquify;afaik modern antimateriel mines emphasize shaped-charge and jet of hot metal rather than brissance or overpressure per se 1102466;1429157205;mircea_popescu;mats did you ever get any good at it ? 1102467;1429157211;mircea_popescu;i assume so, seieng how you're here to tell the story 1102468;1429157215;would-liquify;but i will let mats and the folks who dug them in & out for a living, answer 1102469;1429157219;mircea_popescu;unlike a bunch of others. 1102470;1429157230;mats;i spent a few hundreds hours in a shoothouse 1102471;1429157233;mircea_popescu;would-liquify but you can make armor so that no jet of hot metal cuts it, period. 1102472;1429157236;mats;i think so, yes 1102473;1429157250;would-liquify;mircea_popescu: nope. unless you are thinking of reactive armour 1102474;1429157254;mircea_popescu;i am. 1102475;1429157261;mats;never deployed tho sadly 1102476;1429157261;mircea_popescu;what i said : ceramics sandwhiched in steel. 1102477;1429157270;would-liquify;(shaped charge can exceed bond energy for whatever substance) 1102478;1429157289;mircea_popescu;the idea here being : us has the capacity to make purpose built item : too heavy armor for available weapons. 1102479;1429157297;mircea_popescu;insurgents do NOT have industrial ability to follow suit 1102480;1429157299;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/3GNY7Z2.txt 1102481;1429157300;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cxoUBE ) 1102482;1429157300;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1102483;1429157304;mircea_popescu;this war is to be won leveraging one's advantages, 1102484;1429157309;mircea_popescu;not leveraging the enemy's. 1102485;1429157320;mircea_popescu;would-liquify theoretical shaped charge. not practical. 1102486;1429157354;mircea_popescu;mats how come ? 1102487;1429157397;mats;bad timing. my battalion had just rotated back in after i arrived from basic 1102488;1429157425;mircea_popescu;ah 1102489;1429157432;mats;and shortly after, usg left iraq. afghan deployments were gone for the most part. 1102490;1429157438;mircea_popescu;lmao 1102491;1429157444;mats;fml. 1102492;1429157448;mircea_popescu;you're like the soldier mats 1102493;1429157458;mircea_popescu;reverse of sveik 1102494;1429157466;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyqntra 1102495;1429157511;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla qntiness : http://dpaste.com/056AHEY.txt 1102496;1429157512;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CMQO2L ) 1102497;1429157512;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1102498;1429157531;mircea_popescu;poor alf. 1102499;1429157560;lobbes;coin-operated internet ran out 1102500;1429157573;mats;ill have to read that 1102501;1429157605;would-liquify;l0l 1102502;1429157670;mats;i tried to go to ranger school but as it turns out my frail azn body could not take the abuse 1102503;1429157703;mats;broke my back in the train up and shat blood 1102504;1429157708;mats;good times. 1102505;1429157727;*;would-liquify recalls mats' shit battalion story 1102506;1429157769;mircea_popescu;sounds like not so good times 1102507;1429157792;BingoBoingo;ty pete_dushenski 1102508;1429157798;would-liquify;idk, where else can one get the enviable education 1102509;1429157801;mats;to this day i am annoyed by the emphasis on carrying heavy packs long distances in various mil schools 1102510;1429157802;would-liquify;at least -i- envy it 1102511;1429157807;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/cavirtex-reopens-under-coinsetter/ 1102512;1429157808;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CMRXr5 ) 1102513;1429157813;mats;whatever happened to being mounted. cmon. 1102514;1429157826;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: np. just had to close the loop on my cavirtex story from a few months back 1102515;1429157844;mats;lotta broke souls in va hospitals because of this 1102516;1429157861;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: did you want to keep that cached image on contravex ? it might make sense to move it to qntra 1102517;1429157905;pete_dushenski;mats: being mounted is for officers 1102518;1429157939;would-liquify;!s golden rivet 1102519;1429157940;assbot;0 results for 'golden rivet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=golden+rivet 1102520;1429157944;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'll get it moved in time. Priorituzed publish speed 1102521;1429157960;pete_dushenski;what's the rush ? 1102522;1429157998;BingoBoingo;Other news sites? 1102523;1429158047;*;would-liquify points out, for folks who aspire to attend conf-4 - saving ~500 usd by doubling layover time is -not- clever 1102524;1429158071;mircea_popescu;ya srsly. everyone shows up at 9ish, you gotta do 5 ? 1102525;1429158097;would-liquify;not only this, but might have to be scraped off the floor 1102526;1429158130;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: they relaunched on april 8, i submitted this article to wrap up the loose end i created in saying 'they shut down' more than to be the first. 1102527;1429158166;BingoBoingo;Ah 1102528;1429158167;pete_dushenski;someone else was already first, but, as ever, far from most complete 1102529;1429158199;pete_dushenski;i saw several other articles, zipfuckingzero mentioning havelock investors 1102530;1429158221;pete_dushenski;would-liquify: duly noted! 1102531;1429158241;pete_dushenski;when searching for flights, i tend to organise them based on total travel time 1102532;1429158253;pete_dushenski;next consideration is departure time 1102533;1429158261;would-liquify;the queue i'm in now is full of english folks for some reason 1102534;1429158263;pete_dushenski;then price (unless it's 2-3x more) 1102535;1429158296;would-liquify;pete_dushenski: i ought to have seen it as what it is, correctly, 'no sleep time' 1102536;1429158330;pete_dushenski;would-liquify: i'm imaging you with a macbook air slung around your neck and resting on your belly as you stand in line for sekoority 1102537;1429158354;pete_dushenski;sort of a maternal craddling of a newborn 1102538;1429158382;pete_dushenski;http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/geekdad/images/2008/06/23/connectadesk.jpg << or this guy 1102539;1429158382;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CMVfeb ) 1102540;1429158394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6875 @ 0.00029031 = 1.9959 BTC [+] {2} 1102541;1429158404;mircea_popescu;mats i can see why they do it tho. 1102542;1429158470;mircea_popescu;anyway, i appreciate the irony of the thread a day or two back with alf going all nazi on people's scents. 1102543;1429158475;mats;definitely important but works better with conscripts 1102544;1429158475;mircea_popescu;NAO WUT BEOTCH! 1102545;1429158489;mircea_popescu;mats you were nco ? 1102546;1429158490;mats;more of em to break. 1102547;1429158524;mats;nominally so -- 'corporal' til busted down 1102548;1429158524;mircea_popescu;i imagine the doctrine is "better break them in private when the only broken is that one than break them in war when *for lack of a nail* comes into play" 1102549;1429158564;mircea_popescu;hey alf i think your internet might be flaky. 1102550;1429158584;mircea_popescu;get out of that third world country srsly. 1102551;1429158587;mircea_popescu;!up would-liquify 1102552;1429158599;mats;corporal shares pay grade with specialist, so if you looked at my record it would not show me as junior nco 1102553;1429158620;mats;weird rules. 1102554;1429158623;would-liquify;bbl plane 1102555;1429158634;mircea_popescu;mats still, not much dough huh. 1102556;1429158641;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2015#1102347 << ahem. rio de janeiro. 1102557;1429158641;assbot;Logged on 16-04-2015 03:24:05; mircea_popescu: you know between here and there it's nothing but inhospitable rocky crags populated by gay stone-age natives ? 1102558;1429158654;mats;shoulda sold dope 1102559;1429158664;pete_dushenski;the place is downright heavenly 1102560;1429158666;mats;could have seen action even 1102561;1429158708;mircea_popescu;in a year ? definitely. 1102562;1429158716;mircea_popescu;esp if dealed alabama whorley on the side. 1102563;1429158721;mircea_popescu;do you look anything like gary oldman ? 1102564;1429158767;mats;im v boyish 1102565;1429158775;mats;so prob not? 1102566;1429158810;mats;anyways good chat. sleepy time. 1102567;1429158820;mircea_popescu;http://www.jessicamoran.com/wp-content/gallery/r-and-g/drexl-spivey.jpg 1102568;1429158822;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cxswDH ) 1102569;1429159127;mircea_popescu;soo apparently nielsen media made a web crawler, and they called it BLEXBot 1102570;1429159857;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/3df539b87bfc51fbd865174fa6112ef6/tumblr_negokqS3va1tdgwr1o1_250.gif << cryptoanalysis 1102571;1429159859;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cxv1Wy ) 1102572;1429160150;pete_dushenski;"Indian Prime Minister Narenda Modi this week became the first Indian head of state to visit Canada in 42 years and promptly sealed a $700-million deal to buy uranium from a Saskatoon-based firm." << that's a lotta nukeage 1102573;1429160164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10525 @ 0.00029035 = 3.0559 BTC [+] 1102574;1429160240;mircea_popescu;they need it for humanitarian purposes 1102575;1429160247;mircea_popescu;make coins for the homeless. 1102576;1429160460;pete_dushenski;does india even care about its homeless ? i dun see how it could possible 1102577;1429160467;pete_dushenski;possibly* 1102578;1429160507;pete_dushenski;unless "make coins for the homeless" is use nuclear power for bitcoin mining 1102579;1429160512;mircea_popescu;lol 1102580;1429160530;mircea_popescu;well, ima go sleep on it. 1102581;1429160551;pete_dushenski;dream up an article wouldja ? 1102582;1429160591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00029266 = 1.6169 BTC [+] 1102583;1429160610;pete_dushenski;http://www.teraexchange.com/press/2015_03_23_Niederauer_FINAL.pdf << BingoBoingo qntra for ya ? 1102584;1429160612;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEXBmF ) 1102585;1429160621;BingoBoingo;thx 1102586;1429160665;pete_dushenski;niederauer is arguably a bigger name than blythe masters 1102587;1429161146;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'll make a quick update on NY in general 1102588;1429161186;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: you're the boss :) 1102589;1429161262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00029687 = 7.5999 BTC [+] {3} 1102590;1429161961;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/new-york-update-nyse-ceo-to-teraexchange-former-fdic-chair-to-itbit/ << Check out the other piece of scooped news, should be an exclusive 1102591;1429161961;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1OF3iRI ) 1102592;1429162114;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/588574584175104003 1102593;1429162116;assbot;First from /qntra former FDIC chair Sheila Blair to /itBit board http://t.co/eCmhROYGjW /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash 1102594;1429162193;BingoBoingo;Was going to wait for the certificate from NY, but it is a race against their announcement. 1102595;1429162238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.0002996 = 2.8162 BTC [+] 1102596;1429163116;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: wd on the scoop! 1102597;1429163184;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Thank the source. 1102598;1429163411;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: unless they're in my wot, the newsman takes the credit here 1102599;1429163437;BingoBoingo;I can't confirm or deny 1102600;1429164005;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: of note in that last article, is sheila is "former" then so is duncan 1102601;1429164010;pete_dushenski;if* 1102602;1429164390;BingoBoingo;fxd 1102603;1429167301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00029883 = 4.5721 BTC [-] 1102604;1429167545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00030224 = 5.3496 BTC [+] {3} 1102605;1429168563;ben_vulpes; [03:55] pop by c3 for a demo. or wait til next week. << huzzah 1102606;1429168918;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski add 'no-emit-version' to your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf without quotes to...not emit version info. 1102607;1429168919;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1102608;1429168920;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski if, you know, you don't want to be tarred with the 't3rrist gpg' brush 1102609;1429168920;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1102610;1429168948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00029906 = 5.6821 BTC [-] {3} 1102611;1429168986;ben_vulpes;http://qntra.net/2015/04/cavirtex-reopens-under-coinsetter/ << oh no scoop credit thanks pete 1102612;1429168987;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1b5oimt ) 1102613;1429169032;ben_vulpes;!s cavirtex coinsetter 1102614;1429169032;assbot;2 results for 'cavirtex coinsetter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cavirtex+coinsetter 1102615;1429169070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15542 @ 0.00029775 = 4.6276 BTC [-] 1102616;1429169122;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092245 << i am an ignoramus and do not 1102617;1429169122;assbot;Logged on 08-04-2015 20:24:57; ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i know what heap fragging is 1102618;1429169133;ben_vulpes;but am now reading 1102619;1429169277;ben_vulpes; [04:32] anyways good chat. sleepy time. << reassuring 1102620;1429169912;davout;trinque: deedbot not around? 1102621;1429169928;davout;need http://dpaste.com/20XZWZ2.txt to be deed'fied 1102622;1429169929;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1b5pINF ) 1102623;1429169985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10756 @ 0.00029775 = 3.2026 BTC [-] 1102624;1429170118;trinque;!up deedbot- 1102625;1429170123;trinque;davout: there ya go 1102626;1429170131;trinque;disconnected for some reason 1102627;1429170227;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/20XZWZ2.txt 1102628;1429170228;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1b5qp9Z ) 1102629;1429170229;davout;ty 1102630;1429170235;davout;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/20XZWZ2.txt 1102631;1429170235;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1b5qmLj ) 1102632;1429170287;davout;trinque: does it werking? 1102633;1429170369;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/20XZWZ2.txt 1102634;1429170370;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNzN8E ) 1102635;1429170370;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1102636;1429170372;trinque;derrrp 1102637;1429170385;trinque;davout: yeah forgot to start something; it's in now 1102638;1429170474;davout;ty 1102639;1429170534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00029775 = 4.3472 BTC [-] 1102640;1429170717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00029775 = 2.8435 BTC [-] 1102641;1429171056;BingoBoingo;Oh, and apparently Matonis is going to the GBBG herp and derp scammer's conference https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/588361105770164224 1102642;1429171058;assbot;/jonmatonis Please tell me this scamzor is also a liezor https://t.co/CxbPyntCVv 1102643;1429171451;davout;scoopbot down as well? 1102644;1429171469;davout;http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-april-15th-statement/ 1102645;1429171470;assbot;X.EUR April 15th statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNCoPU ) 1102646;1429171754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19157 @ 0.00030302 = 5.805 BTC [+] 1102647;1429172151;BingoBoingo;seems so 1102648;1429172303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00030302 = 5.6968 BTC [+] 1102649;1429173401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00030302 = 5.0604 BTC [+] 1102650;1429173767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00030005 = 1.7253 BTC [-] 1102651;1429173828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00030005 = 2.2954 BTC [-] 1102652;1429173889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00029824 = 2.8333 BTC [-] 1102653;1429173950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5832 @ 0.00029775 = 1.7365 BTC [-] 1102654;1429174133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8244 @ 0.00029576 = 2.4382 BTC [-] {2} 1102655;1429174255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5157 @ 0.00029501 = 1.5214 BTC [-] 1102656;1429175902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7943 @ 0.00029763 = 2.3641 BTC [+] {2} 1102657;1429175963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4007 @ 0.00029441 = 1.1797 BTC [-] 1102658;1429176329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00030302 = 1.803 BTC [+] 1102659;1429176451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11452 @ 0.00030302 = 3.4702 BTC [+] 1102660;1429176512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3298 @ 0.00030351 = 1.001 BTC [+] {2} 1102661;1429177122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00029441 = 1.737 BTC [-] 1102662;1429177732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00029599 = 1.5095 BTC [+] {2} 1102663;1429179196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3993 @ 0.00029521 = 1.1788 BTC [-] 1102664;1429179928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13307 @ 0.00029521 = 3.9284 BTC [-] 1102665;1429181026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00030381 = 2.0811 BTC [+] 1102666;1429182374;mircea_popescu;good morin'! 1102667;1429182392;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB2yiIoEtXw 1102668;1429182394;assbot;1080p HD "Good Morning" ~ Singin' in the Rain (1952) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMwxPy ) 1102669;1429182450;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_c3sleep 1102670;1429182544;BingoBoingo;Imma take that nick vhange as a sign... he's finally shed his wakefulness 1102671;1429182575;mircea_popescu;he is now going to be a sleeper agent ? 1102672;1429182579;mircea_popescu;!up Pierre_Rochard 1102673;1429182704;BingoBoingo;You never know. SUch a story those nick changes 1102674;1429183161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32899 @ 0.00030397 = 10.0003 BTC [+] {2} 1102675;1429183171;mircea_popescu;30s! 1102676;1429184183;mircea_popescu;hm, i guess what peterl's new job means is that scoopbot will have to be reimplemnted yet again ? 1102677;1429185434;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ascii_c3sleep yo nooblets, ima come pay ye a visit! 1102678;1429185845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00030221 = 4.5029 BTC [-] {2} 1102679;1429187126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00030397 = 3.5261 BTC [+] 1102680;1429189139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00030468 = 3.4734 BTC [+] {2} 1102681;1429190176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8489 @ 0.00030226 = 2.5659 BTC [-] {2} 1102682;1429192555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00030493 = 4.0556 BTC [+] 1102683;1429193028;danielpbarron;height=325540 vs height=223860 1102684;1429195361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9274 @ 0.00030727 = 2.8496 BTC [+] 1102685;1429198858;BingoBoingo;http://wikipediocracy.com/2015/04/13/experiment-concludes-most-misinformation-inserted-into-wikipedia-may-persist/ 1102686;1429198859;assbot;Misinformation added to Wikipedia persists | Wikipediocracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iim65s ) 1102687;1429199431;BingoBoingo;!up johntraveller 1102688;1429199446;mircea_popescu;shocking! 1102689;1429200894;mats;http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/fastest-uncensored-beheading-islamic-state/ 1102690;1429200895;assbot;Fastest and Uncensored Beheading by Islamic State | Best Gore ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjaDo2 ) 1102691;1429200933;mats;reminds me of the same stuff jp troops are recorded to have done in nanjing 1102692;1429201034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8403 @ 0.00030554 = 2.5675 BTC [-] {2} 1102693;1429201040;mats;no competition here tho, just one dude 1102694;1429201400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12139 @ 0.00030775 = 3.7358 BTC [+] 1102695;1429201583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00030775 = 2.9852 BTC [+] 1102696;1429201949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00030775 = 6.4012 BTC [+] 1102697;1429203126;danielpbarron;!up ascii_c3 1102698;1429203183;ascii_c3;ty danielpbarron 1102699;1429203201;ascii_c3;l0l, apparently mr spam is (was?) here ? 1102700;1429203458;ascii_c3;mircea_popescu: awake? ben_vulpes: ? 1102701;1429203574;chetty;hola ascii_c3 1102702;1429203588;ascii_c3;chetty: ! 1102703;1429203837;ascii_c3;for anyone else in hotel [censored] at c3, 1102704;1429203849;ascii_c3;achtung, panzers! 1102705;1429203862;ascii_c3;the 'wifi' is MITMing ssh. 1102706;1429203875;ascii_c3;(or was, last night) 1102707;1429203993;ascii_c3;;;later tell mircea_popescu pogos are here. 1102708;1429203993;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1102709;1429204334;ascii_c3;report from c3 (mars!) - atmosphere: breathable. safe to remove helmet. 1102710;1429204356;chetty;lmao 1102711;1429204450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00030775 = 1.7234 BTC [+] 1102712;1429205253;mike_c;!up ascii_c3 stfu. mr spam is there? how do you know? 1102713;1429205281;ascii_c3;mike_c: n3xtb1gthng [~User@catv-212-96-61-236.catv.broadband.hu] entered the room. 1102714;1429205288;ascii_c3;^ him 1102715;1429205313;ascii_c3;fella's not particularly interested in subtlety 1102716;1429205614;mike_c;oh, wait, I thought you meant at the hotel :) 1102717;1429205625;ascii_c3;l0l!!! 1102718;1429205636;ascii_c3;that would be something. 1102719;1429205648;mike_c;that's what I was thinking! I was impressed. 1102720;1429206036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20333 @ 0.00029796 = 6.0584 BTC [-] {4} 1102721;1429207246;mats;13:05:02 <+ascii_c3> the 'wifi' is MITMing ssh. << hue 1102722;1429207425;mats;!up ascii_c3 1102723;1429207447;ascii_c3;mats: to be fair, it could be anywhere upstream from where i stand. 1102724;1429207451;ascii_c3;not necessarily hotel. 1102725;1429207469;mats;did you bring an ALFA antenna? could triangulate. 1102726;1429207486;ascii_c3;triangulate what, lol 1102727;1429207505;mats;o wait. my mind went to some buggery like 'wifi pineapple'. 1102728;1429207509;ascii_c3;the ap is a visible box hanging three meters or so from where i am. 1102729;1429207554;*;mats needs moar sleep apparently 1102730;1429207576;*;ascii_c3 thought that mats gave up sleeping 1102731;1429207641;mats;i had a terrible nightmare this morning 1102732;1429207652;*;mod6 hurry up and wait mode 1102733;1429207663;mats;felt like i was beset by pure rage the entire night, went on to torment some folks 1102734;1429207673;ascii_c3;mod6 is at c3 now ? 1102735;1429207681;mod6;on the way 1102736;1429207688;mats;prob an indication i should sleep moar. 1102737;1429207693;mod6;be there tomorrow am 1102738;1429207707;ascii_c3;mod6: neat 1102739;1429207712;mod6;ya! 1102740;1429207731;*;ascii_c3 off to meet chetty 1102741;1429207739;mod6;c-ya 1102742;1429207817;*;mod6 looks around 1102743;1429207870;mats;see a lot of rocks? 1102744;1429207899;mod6;na. just airport gate. 1102745;1429207913;mod6;playing nethack on my phone 1102746;1429207957;mod6;just died actually. on level3. i ate a wearjackel and turned. then got killed by a giant bat. :( 1102747;1429208032;mod6;my best is lvl 7 so far. the damn fire ants get me everytime. 1102748;1429208055;mats;mod6: playing it in the browser? i recently discovered 'BrowserHack', a port. 1102749;1429208073;mats;http://coolwanglu.github.io/BrowserHack/ << 1102750;1429208074;assbot;BrowserHack ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPh5og ) 1102751;1429208091;mod6;ah cool. naw this is a native android version 1102752;1429208232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16990 @ 0.00029339 = 4.9847 BTC [-] 1102753;1429208295;*;ben_vulpes stretches, yawns 1102754;1429208312;*;ben_vulpes stretches, yawns 1102755;1429208382;ben_vulpes;aww, i missed ascii and chetty 1102756;1429208417;mod6;hi 1102757;1429208441;mod6;did ya sleep good? 1102758;1429208476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00030766 = 4.1226 BTC [+] {2} 1102759;1429208587;ben_vulpes;'twas a lovely nap, yes. 1102760;1429208673;mod6;nice 1102761;1429208899;mod6;time for ye ole $9.45 airport sandwich 1102762;1429209391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00030775 = 3.9084 BTC [+] 1102763;1429209526;*;ben_vulpes eats a 4 peso banana 1102764;1429209551;mod6;haha werd 1102765;1429209818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9764 @ 0.00029303 = 2.8611 BTC [-] {2} 1102766;1429210489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00029175 = 2.0131 BTC [-] 1102767;1429211526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00029093 = 1.0183 BTC [-] {2} 1102768;1429215613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4268 @ 0.00030037 = 1.282 BTC [-] 1102769;1429215979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00030775 = 2.8313 BTC [+] 1102770;1429215996;mats;https://www.acrylicwifi.com/en/blog/hostapd-wpe-openwrt-barrier-breaker heh 1102771;1429215998;assbot;Hostapd-wpe for OpenWrt Barrier Breaker ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTij9C ) 1102772;1429216546;trinque;ben_vulpes: sir! http://deedbot.org/ 1102773;1429216547;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTkKZZ ) 1102774;1429216604;trinque;I wish everyone safe travels to the conference, and am sorry I cannot attend this year. 1102775;1429216618;*;trinque dives back into making his poor servers scale 1102776;1429216846;williamdunne;trinque: Use mongodb and node, then they will be webscale 1102777;1429216855;trinque;h-how dare you 1102778;1429216873;trinque;all hail postgresql 1102779;1429216909;williamdunne;Why don't you use the blockchain in all of your software!11 1102780;1429216926;trinque;*blockchain technologee 1102781;1429216927;williamdunne;A *permissioned* blockchain 1102782;1429216939;williamdunne;Copyright Eris Industries 1102783;1429217317;williamdunne;Which derp is responsible for marketing at Quadriga CX, and why are they wasting money advertising their Canadian exchange to someone in the UK. 1102784;1429217328;williamdunne;All I see is Quadriga adverts.. non-stop 1102785;1429217687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8767 @ 0.00030437 = 2.6684 BTC [-] 1102786;1429218724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00030163 = 10.7984 BTC [-] 1102787;1429219151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20626 @ 0.00030163 = 6.2214 BTC [-] 1102788;1429220985;mircea_popescu;haha look who woke up 1102789;1429220994;mircea_popescu;how's lyf asciilifeform 1102790;1429221713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00030128 = 1.4763 BTC [-] 1102791;1429222018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.0003001 = 1.6055 BTC [-] {2} 1102792;1429224340;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2015#1102774 < likewise. Next year! 1102793;1429224340;assbot;Logged on 16-04-2015 20:36:44; trinque: I wish everyone safe travels to the conference, and am sorry I cannot attend this year. 1102794;1429224393;williamdunne;!s conference 1102795;1429224394;assbot;644 results for 'conference' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=conference 1102796;1429224470;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ 1102797;1429224472;assbot;The conference, third edition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/12DnIax ) 1102798;1429224482;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: Thank you, Pierre 1102799;1429225168;williamdunne;Looks good; I hope next year I may come. 1102800;1429225755;williamdunne;;;later tell mircea_popescu small CSS issue on trilema. header image is being prioritized over white background for text which sucks on my small-ish screen. On my system managed to fixed by changing position to initial rather than relative 1102801;1429225756;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1102802;1429225882;danielpbarron;!up ascii_on_tour 1102803;1429225893;danielpbarron;!up ascii_c3 1102804;1429226080;ascii_c3;mircea_popescu: had many expeditionary lulz with chetty and ben_vulpes 1102805;1429226203;ascii_c3;ascii_on_tour left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 272 seconds). << wai wut 1102806;1429226218;ascii_c3;anyone have the host 'on_tour' was logged in from ? 1102807;1429226225;ascii_c3;because it wasn't me... 1102808;1429226242;danielpbarron;07:14 -!- ascii_on_tour [~asciilife@190.192.28.160] has joined #bitcoin-assets 1102809;1429226256;ascii_c3;ty danielpbarron 1102810;1429226291;ascii_c3;190.192.28.160 << l0l 1102811;1429226322;ascii_c3;at this point i must announce that anything uttered by self until signed to this effect - is apocryphal 1102812;1429226370;ascii_c3;wtf, can we please haz more subtle muppets ? 1102813;1429226384;danielpbarron;whoever it was, he joined right before you did 1102814;1429226416;williamdunne;!s apocryphal 1102815;1429226417;assbot;3 results for 'apocryphal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=apocryphal 1102816;1429226427;ascii_c3;mircea_popescu: awaken! 1102817;1429226455;williamdunne;AH, thought it was a name. Another word learned thanks the #b-a 1102818;1429229033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7785 @ 0.00030775 = 2.3958 BTC [+] 1102819;1429229277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11227 @ 0.00030775 = 3.4551 BTC [+] 1102820;1429229765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00030734 = 3.2885 BTC [-] 1102821;1429231618;BingoBoingo;Fun ascii_task will be an unreliable narrator on IRC this weekend! 1102822;1429231671;danielpbarron;!up SquirtPrincess 1102823;1429231693;SquirtPrincess;thxs <3 1102824;1429231764;danielpbarron;what's up? have you sold your 0.1 or are you saving it? 1102825;1429232083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00030732 = 2.3664 BTC [-] {2} 1102826;1429232255;danielpbarron;!up petomenahem 1102827;1429232280;SquirtPrincess;it was spent that day lol 1102828;1429232312;SquirtPrincess;had to buy another 0.35 that day 1102829;1429232326;danielpbarron;for what? poker? 1102830;1429232347;SquirtPrincess;sure love me some hold em lol 1102831;1429232360;williamdunne;seals? 1102832;1429232498;*;BingoBoingo remembers when seals wasn't that shitty 1102833;1429232551;williamdunne;I've never used it, but I appreciated what the owner did 1102834;1429232564;williamdunne;Seemed roughly equivalent to MPs response to the SEC 1102835;1429232658;danielpbarron;I'm gonna keep waiting for WoT poker before I mess around with any of that 1102836;1429232673;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Is that being worked on? 1102837;1429232684;danielpbarron;it's on a todo list 1102838;1429232700;williamdunne;Wonder what the userbase size would be for that.. 1102839;1429232714;BingoBoingo;Back in early 2013 you could find tables full of people who weren't botting or otherwise engaging in computer assisted play. 1102840;1429233245;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Would that not be a problem with any sufficiently large platform? 1102841;1429233282;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Well yes. Once Bitcoin started getting its value up, Seals started sucking really fast. 1102842;1429233345;williamdunne;Sucks seems like it should be relative when talking about a specific company in an industry, wouldn't it be fairer to say "online poker sucks"? 1102843;1429233397;BingoBoingo;Well sucks compared to my early experiences with the platform. 1102844;1429233412;williamdunne;Didn't look at it from that angle, good point 1102845;1429233536;williamdunne;!up SquirtPrincess 1102846;1429233545;BingoBoingo;Early on after I discovered it full or near full tables at any stakes, sometimes long but reasonable wait times. Some of the dumbest people would play any stakes giving a reasonable chance to make some bank. One night drinking with some friends they wanted to see Bitcoin Gambling and I acidentalied my way from 0.25 BTC to 4BTC on seals in about 45 minutes. Cjust changing stakes as I had the bankroll to do so. 1102847;1429233591;SquirtPrincess;thxs <3 1102848;1429233600;BingoBoingo;Later... Empty tables... Tables nowhere near full... Some stakes not being plaid at all. The generous marks replaced by botters not given to trashtalk. 1102849;1429233635;williamdunne;SquirtPrincess: Welcome 1102850;1429233660;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Thats a profitable evening 1102851;1429233715;BingoBoingo;It was. Seals for a brief period of time was a fun frontier shithole. Then Bitcoin went up and... Suddenly it wasn't the frontier no more. 1102852;1429233739;BingoBoingo;Anyways back then it was like making $80 on $5 1102853;1429233759;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: What is a $? ;) 1102854;1429233783;BingoBoingo;fuel 1102855;1429233841;williamdunne;https://2012patriot.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/weimar-burning-money_2.jpg?w=450 1102856;1429233842;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpbLU1 ) 1102857;1429234354;williamdunne;Watching some show about drug enforcement, the woman is quite insufferable. They keep discussing how dangerous drugs are and talking through how some of the worst things happened like cutting etc and each and every time it has been some sort of government action. Still can't put one plus one together. 1102858;1429234828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10058 @ 0.00030775 = 3.0953 BTC [+] 1102859;1429235443;danielpbarron;!up Sickboy 1102860;1429236597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.0003068 = 3.0833 BTC [-] {2} 1102861;1429236780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13443 @ 0.00030775 = 4.1371 BTC [+] 1102862;1429237153;danielpbarron;!up sickboy 1102863;1429237275;sickboy;what's goin down Dan? u trading well tonite 1102864;1429237352;danielpbarron;who are you? 1102865;1429237498;sickboy;w 1102866;1429237513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9792 @ 0.00030775 = 3.0135 BTC [+] 1102867;1429237589;sickboy;I trade swaps at finex and arb futures on icbit and okcoin and make options markets on 796 1102868;1429237624;danielpbarron;how'd you hear about this channel? 1102869;1429237840;williamdunne;sickboy: Hello SickBoy, how did you come about these parts? 1102870;1429237978;*;trinque notices a sudden influx of newbs 1102871;1429238026;trinque;!up jayk 1102872;1429238035;jayk;thanks 1102873;1429238041;williamdunne;!up DreadKnight 1102874;1429238041;trinque;you're welcome 1102875;1429238046;ben_vulpes;hola pumperos 1102876;1429238049;ben_vulpes;hanbot: ping 1102877;1429238061;trinque;ben_vulpes: good evening! how was travel? 1102878;1429238070;williamdunne;So JayK, who are you? 1102879;1429238075;ben_vulpes;bueno bueno looking for a hanbot 1102880;1429238077;hanbot;ben_vulpes: pong 1102881;1429238103;ben_vulpes;vamanos a cafe cologne if i understand his popescuity 1102882;1429238109;jayk;i was hanging around here when i was looking at mpex 1102883;1429238127;jayk;that was a cpl yrs ago 1102884;1429238154;hanbot;kk ben_vulpes 1102885;1429238182;jayk;does assbot still dish out dirty pics? :) 1102886;1429238197;ben_vulpes;that was never assbot jayk 1102887;1429238199;williamdunne;jayk: if it does, not that I've seen 1102888;1429238210;jayk;oh 1102889;1429238225;ben_vulpes;buenos noches asshats 1102890;1429238233;ben_vulpes;voy a vino cafe y helado 1102891;1429238234;jayk;i forget which bot was doing that 1102892;1429238278;danielpbarron;!s in other news 1102893;1429238279;assbot;350 results for 'in other news' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=in+other+news 1102894;1429238319;trinque;^ lol 1102895;1429238337;jayk;.bait 1102896;1429238354;jayk;it was ozbot 1102897;1429238410;williamdunne;Its amazing what we can do with turing-complete code 1102898;1429238410;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1102899;1429238420;williamdunne;amazing 1102900;1429238420;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1102901;1429238436;williamdunne;so that is the trigger word, should have guessed that. 1102902;1429238440;jayk;;;rot13 nznmvat 1102903;1429238440;gribble;amazing 1102904;1429238440;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1102905;1429238499;williamdunne;gribble: should add the same trigger so we get a nice loop. That would be amazing 1102906;1429238499;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1102907;1429238537;trinque;ye gods the shitposting 1102908;1429238541;*;trinque gets BingoBoingo's fire hose 1102909;1429238657;danielpbarron;!gettrust jayk 1102910;1429238657;assbot;jayk is not registered in WoT. 1102911;1429238678;jayk;wot? 1102912;1429238701;danielpbarron;do you have a GPG key? 1102913;1429238704;jayk;nope 1102914;1429238729;danielpbarron;why not? 1102915;1429238730;williamdunne;jayk: get one 1102916;1429238748;williamdunne;!gettrust williamdunne danielpbarron 1102917;1429238748;assbot;Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/williamdunne/danielpbarron | http://w.b-a.link/user/danielpbarron 1102918;1429238767;williamdunne;!gettrust mircea_popescu danielpbarron 1102919;1429238771;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 15 via 15 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/danielpbarron | http://w.b-a.link/user/danielpbarron 1102920;1429238777;williamdunne;^WoT 1102921;1429239061;jayk;williamdunne: ok i have one now 1102922;1429239077;williamdunne;Now do !register yourgpgfingerprinthere 1102923;1429239117;jayk;!register 7AA6 4CBF 8362 275B 2189 8697 84A1 3BE2 84D2 7F50 1102924;1429239117;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint. 1102925;1429239133;williamdunne;Remove the spaces 1102926;1429239153;williamdunne;jayk: 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50 1102927;1429239159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00030775 = 3.7853 BTC [+] 1102928;1429239167;jayk;!register 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50 1102929;1429239167;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50. This may take a few moments. 1102930;1429239167;assbot;No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu. 1102931;1429239193;williamdunne;assbot: gpg --send-keys pgp.mit.edu 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50 1102932;1429239222;jayk;!register 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50 1102933;1429239222;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50. This may take a few moments. 1102934;1429239223;assbot;No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu. 1102935;1429239227;jayk;hmm 1102936;1429239233;williamdunne;OOp 1102937;1429239245;williamdunne;jayk: gpg --send-keys --keyserver pgp.mit.edu 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50 1102938;1429239250;jayk;!register 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50 1102939;1429239250;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50. This may take a few moments. 1102940;1429239250;assbot;No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu. 1102941;1429239251;danielpbarron;did you add it to pgp.mit.edu ? because if so, it might take a sec to show up 1102942;1429239345;jayk;gpg: sending key 84D27F50 to hkp server pgp.mit.edu 1102943;1429239348;jayk;i assume it sent 1102944;1429239370;williamdunne;Yep 1102945;1429239376;williamdunne;Now try registering again 1102946;1429239391;jayk;!register 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50 1102947;1429239391;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50. This may take a few moments. 1102948;1429239391;assbot;Key 84D27F50 / "Jeremy Koski (If I'm Not Me I'd Sure Like To Know Who The Hell Is!) " successfully imported. 1102949;1429239392;assbot;Registration successful. 1102950;1429239397;jayk;ther eit is 1102951;1429239413;williamdunne;There you go 1102952;1429239423;jayk;just took a second to register 1102953;1429239426;williamdunne;!rate jayk even newer than me 1102954;1429239426;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. 1102955;1429239438;williamdunne;!rate jayk 1 even newer than me 1102956;1429239438;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/cf3e1da515cea976 1102957;1429239463;williamdunne;!verify assbot:williamdunne.rate.jayk.1:89527ac5ebf31f019663f101eb67aeec89f9bebd1522e94b3b900904aa7a940e 1102958;1429239463;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for jayk with note: even newer than me 1102959;1429239482;williamdunne;!gettrust williamdunne jayk 1102960;1429239482;assbot;Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user jayk: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/williamdunne/jayk | http://w.b-a.link/user/jayk 1102961;1429239489;williamdunne;There you go 1102962;1429239562;jayk;cool 1102963;1429239631;williamdunne;As you interact with people and do trades/jobs your reputation will increase 1102964;1429239645;williamdunne;Your reputation in the WoT here is essentially your entire value 1102965;1429239685;williamdunne;Treat it like you would your dearest posession; do not lend it to those you cannot trust. Protect it and attempt to earn more of it 1102966;1429239900;danielpbarron;!up jayk 1102967;1429239957;jayk;k 1102968;1429240000;williamdunne;jayk: Anyhow, what made you come back after these years? 1102969;1429240169;jayk;i was wondering if it was still around 1102970;1429240203;williamdunne;jayk: Yes, it has survived in a space where most have died 1102971;1429240276;jayk;yeah ive noticed lots of company have taken a hit over the last 12 months 1102972;1429240418;williamdunne;jayk: Hard industry. Year is a long time here. I'm probably not the best person to introduce you though as I am new myself 1102973;1429240422;williamdunne;!up Cory 1102974;1429243978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7283 @ 0.00030669 = 2.2336 BTC [-] {2} 1102975;1429244469;mircea_popescu;!up jayk 1102976;1429244477;mircea_popescu;dude, as soon as ben_vulpes split party died 1102977;1429244535;BingoBoingo;Really? 1102978;1429244586;mircea_popescu;myeah 1102979;1429244865;mircea_popescu;williamdunne how do you mean ? it's only defined as #mask_head_ie{position:relative; for ie, are you on ie and they changed how they break css meanwhile ? 1102980;1429244903;williamdunne;I'm getting it on firefox, I'll try testing it again 1102981;1429244944;williamdunne;Interesting, can't replicate the issue 1102982;1429244964;*;mircea_popescu hasn't changed anything 1102983;1429244981;mircea_popescu;maybe you got a bad (partial) page load ? 1102984;1429244992;williamdunne;Yeah I have no clue what happened there 1102985;1429244994;williamdunne;Possible 1102986;1429245008;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: how do you get home so quickly/! 1102987;1429245029;mircea_popescu;heh. 1102988;1429245044;ben_vulpes;i might not be able to hail a cab, but i can goose partybutt into action 1102989;1429245083;ben_vulpes;now its time to audit bills 1102990;1429245087;ben_vulpes;SMALLBIZLYFE 1102991;1429245102;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: I haven't been able to reproduce on my version of FireFox 1102992;1429245104;ben_vulpes;just call it derpcorp 1102993;1429245117;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2015#1102783 << you don;'t understand how braindamage works. 1102994;1429245117;assbot;Logged on 16-04-2015 20:48:37; williamdunne: Which derp is responsible for marketing at Quadriga CX, and why are they wasting money advertising their Canadian exchange to someone in the UK. 1102995;1429245130;mircea_popescu;but maybe they buy a nascar stadium. it'll be good for bitcoin (fm) 1102996;1429245134;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: And I hope I never do 1102997;1429245137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00030775 = 2.0619 BTC [+] 1102998;1429245161;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Yeah, seems issue was my side because even I can't replicate it now 1102999;1429245218;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: The Trilema CSS has been by MP's declaration constant for years nao. Maybe your Firecox updated to solve the regression? 1103000;1429245239;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2015#1102807 << no wai ?! 1103001;1429245239;assbot;Logged on 16-04-2015 23:17:05; ascii_c3: because it wasn't me... 1103002;1429245256;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i thought you were aware of this! 1103003;1429245265;mircea_popescu;was not no. 1103004;1429245271;mircea_popescu;i saw teh mitm parts 1103005;1429245283;ben_vulpes;next time i will be more explicit 1103006;1429245294;BingoBoingo;!s disney 1103007;1429245295;assbot;92 results for 'disney' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=disney 1103008;1429245302;ben_vulpes;but directly related to box relocation desire 1103009;1429245352;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102836 << it is, actually, but we see. 1103010;1429245352;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 01:04:33; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Is that being worked on? 1103011;1429245397;williamdunne;Impressive how much is being worked on 1103012;1429245403;williamdunne;!s s.limbs 1103013;1429245404;assbot;20 results for 's.limbs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.limbs 1103014;1429245475;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2015/random-weird-shit-2/#comment-113674 1103015;1429245476;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CUH7hG ) 1103016;1429245516;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102867 < i lolt. 1103017;1429245516;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 02:26:29; sickboy: I trade swaps at finex and arb futures on icbit and okcoin and make options markets on 796 1103018;1429245581;williamdunne;!s S.MNKY 1103019;1429245582;assbot;9 results for 'S.MNKY' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=S.MNKY 1103020;1429245592;*;BingoBoingo likes how itBet with FDIC on board only changed one letter from icBit bukkit shop 1103021;1429245668;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/317fd7759acf3b4b1cb9eea0784c6574/tumblr_nd091mK7En1tlpc32o1_400.gif just for jayk. 1103022;1429245669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CUHGrS ) 1103023;1429245671;mircea_popescu;it's called mining. 1103024;1429245719;ben_vulpes;dude mircea_popescu i just overflowed the calculator on this pnhoe 1103025;1429245727;mircea_popescu;lol ? 1103026;1429245727;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: for brown gold? 1103027;1429245750;mircea_popescu;williamdunne i think they call them buttcoins 1103028;1429245802;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: 10/10 you beat me fair and square 1103029;1429245816;BingoBoingo;;;google they really are buttcoins nao 1103030;1429245817;gribble;They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; what is in the mind of r/buttcoin? - Bitcoin Forum: ; NEXT: 26-07-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: 1103031;1429245821;BingoBoingo;^ williamdunne 1103032;1429245980;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu.. is.. is that your hairy asscrack on my screen? 1103033;1429245997;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: The world may never know 1103034;1429246006;mircea_popescu;... 1103035;1429246009;mircea_popescu;what ?! 1103036;1429246029;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: The big question is the spots on the mirror. Jizz or toothpaste. 1103037;1429246033;williamdunne;Oh hang on, its not. Its a talker just re-read the mpoe-pr 1103038;1429246041;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_on_tour 1103039;1429246052;BingoBoingo;Hello Mr. unreliabru narrator 1103040;1429246053;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Yeah thats pretty gross 1103041;1429246055;ascii_on_tour;danke BingoBoingo 1103042;1429246063;ben_vulpes;gasp 1103043;1429246065;mircea_popescu;williamdunne some dude called himself klye iirc. 1103044;1429246075;ben_vulpes;it is the verboten handle! 1103045;1429246075;ascii_on_tour;mega-expedition here 1103046;1429246101;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Gotta appreciate the dedication 1103047;1429246110;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102971 << s.mpoe is down what, 50% ? 1103048;1429246110;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 03:11:16; jayk: yeah ive noticed lots of company have taken a hit over the last 12 months 1103049;1429246112;ben_vulpes;ascii_orc: did you reabsorb all the water you lost today? 1103050;1429246112;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Earlier than klye, for the buttcointalk thread up "Jordan" 1103051;1429246122;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo o ? i thought it was him. 1103052;1429246128;ben_vulpes;ascii_orc: aha now that's clever 1103053;1429246138;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Klye also made Buttcoin but later and for far less 1103054;1429246169;BingoBoingo;The Jordan dude was a one and done 1103055;1429246194;ascii_on_tour;false alarm 1103056;1429246202;ascii_on_tour;bad config on this piece of jetsam 1103057;1429246210;ascii_on_tour;overdue for scrapyard 1103058;1429246230;ben_vulpes;apocrypha 1103059;1429246244;ascii_on_tour;naturally 1103060;1429246247;BingoBoingo;ascii_on_tour: Anyone local check to make sure you aren't imposter in latex mask? 1103061;1429246258;ascii_on_tour;though good live fire test for the whole concept 1103062;1429246272;ascii_on_tour;what said unsigned - apocrypha always 1103063;1429246273;ben_vulpes;ya well talk to me when you find your keys again 1103064;1429246274;ben_vulpes;IMPOSTOR 1103065;1429246280;ascii_on_tour;ergo if i give the launch codes now - take a minute to think 1103066;1429246281;ascii_on_tour;before launching. 1103067;1429246330;ascii_on_tour;said the shannonizer. 1103068;1429246364;BingoBoingo;Attack plan R? 1103069;1429246370;BingoBoingo;OPE? 1103070;1429246381;ascii_on_tour;variant xy 1103071;1429246384;BingoBoingo;CRM-114? 1103072;1429246385;ben_vulpes;green team you are not cleared for operation tango in my butt 1103073;1429246448;BingoBoingo;Paging Herr Doktor Merkwrdigliebe 1103074;1429246465;*;ascii_on_tour is finding mars unexpectedly wet 1103075;1429246477;ben_vulpes;ah it can't go on for very long 1103076;1429246483;ben_vulpes;clouds don't really have a lot of water in them 1103077;1429246492;ascii_on_tour;l0l 1103078;1429246597;ascii_on_tour;ben_vulpes: i did figure out how to work the cabs 1103079;1429246604;ascii_on_tour;have to catch it - physically. 1103080;1429246606;ben_vulpes;some orc 1103081;1429246611;ascii_on_tour;like animal 1103082;1429246619;ben_vulpes;i was planning to actually jump in front of the next one too, aha 1103083;1429246623;ascii_on_tour;this is probably sop per local orcraft 1103084;1429246638;ben_vulpes;brainorcage 1103085;1429246639;ascii_on_tour;no i just grabbed hold of the door handle when it went 1103086;1429246644;ben_vulpes;haha 1103087;1429246645;ascii_on_tour;opened. 1103088;1429246655;ben_vulpes;"oh, door is open? guess should stahp" 1103089;1429246661;BingoBoingo;Such informative research 1103090;1429246680;ben_vulpes;my cabbie: "hay mucho lluvia!" 1103091;1429246688;ascii_on_tour;fella inside had a picture he studied at every light; 'wanted' photo of a car 1103092;1429246700;BingoBoingo;Is "black car" a mode of transport in hardware #b-a? 1103093;1429246701;ascii_on_tour;several angles of photo plus license plate 1103094;1429246708;ben_vulpes;me: (no shit, idiot) "si, si. hotel redacto, por favor?" 1103095;1429246711;ascii_on_tour;BingoBoingo: black car ? 1103096;1429246731;BingoBoingo;ascii_on_tour: Like taxi, but only on hire in advance basis 1103097;1429246745;ascii_on_tour;BingoBoingo: limousine ? 1103098;1429246747;ascii_on_tour;no idea. 1103099;1429246767;BingoBoingo;ascii_on_tour: Limousine or similar premise, but shorter 1103100;1429246770;ascii_on_tour;i only even took cab because happily waltzed into opposite compass direction from what was given 1103101;1429246781;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ah i seem to vaguely reclal this 1103102;1429246783;ascii_on_tour;because thought was walking on moebius strip or the like. 1103103;1429246796;mircea_popescu; false alarm << heh. 1103104;1429246818;ascii_on_tour;'burned on hot - will blow on cold' (™) (R) 1103105;1429246824;mircea_popescu; ergo if i give the launch codes now - take a minute to think << you don't understand how launching works. 1103106;1429246857;ascii_on_tour;'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (tm) 1103107;1429246857;ascii_on_tour;yes. 1103108;1429246890;ascii_on_tour;btw mitm is real 1103109;1429246895;ascii_on_tour;still there as far as i can tell. 1103110;1429246901;ascii_on_tour;ssh over whatever port. 1103111;1429246904;mircea_popescu;im sure it's for your own safetit. 1103112;1429246909;ascii_on_tour;l0lziez 1103113;1429247022;mircea_popescu;!up liquidassets 1103114;1429247028;mircea_popescu;ascii_on_tour so what is this zblatnik thing then ? 1103115;1429247032;liquidassets;thanks mp you're the man 1103116;1429247037;ascii_on_tour;wut 1103117;1429247049;mircea_popescu;i dunno, it's in the email you sent me ? 1103118;1429247054;ascii_on_tour;wut?? 1103119;1429247058;ascii_on_tour;sent? 1103120;1429247062;mircea_popescu;you didn't send me an email just now ? 1103121;1429247065;ascii_on_tour;no! 1103122;1429247068;mircea_popescu;o wow. it must be that i'm fucking with you then :D 1103123;1429247075;*;ascii_on_tour suspected 1103124;1429247079;ascii_on_tour;because 'z' 1103125;1429247081;mircea_popescu;liquidassets who're you ? 1103126;1429247086;ascii_on_tour;what are we now, czechs? 1103127;1429247095;mircea_popescu;ascii_on_tour sound zlegit. 1103128;1429247102;ascii_on_tour;zaha 1103129;1429247107;ascii_on_tour;zsure. 1103130;1429247112;ben_vulpes;zamassl 1103131;1429247117;liquidassets;not even my real nick, if I had one, been reading logs for awhile now, been here a few times before 1103132;1429247124;mircea_popescu;aha 1103133;1429247127;liquidassets;can't get the hang of gpg...more reading 1103134;1429247131;mircea_popescu;"this is not even my REAL pseudonym" 1103135;1429247138;ben_vulpes;liquidassets: wtf is a real nick? 1103136;1429247146;mircea_popescu;toolate.gif 1103137;1429247152;ascii_on_tour;'was shakespeare written by shakespeare, or other man of that name' (™) (R) 1103138;1429247168;BingoBoingo;liquidassets: GPG can be leanred with concentration. 1103139;1429247169;liquidassets;the one I originally wanted to use before I lost my password, or stopped working, or got ddosed... 1103140;1429247169;ben_vulpes;next up: mircea_popescu firsting 1103141;1429247169;mircea_popescu;ascii_on_tour believe it or not academic careers arew built on this 1103142;1429247173;liquidassets;on and on... 1103143;1429247182;mircea_popescu;like they are on every other meaningless (and so thereforee unverifiable) distinction 1103144;1429247182;*;ascii_on_tour knew, even knew of the gzip paper 1103145;1429247212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00030608 = 2.9996 BTC [-] {2} 1103146;1429247216;ascii_on_tour;(the one where gzip is demonstrated as mega-authorship-authenticator instrument) 1103147;1429247275;ascii_on_tour;https://2012patriot.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/weimar-burning-money_2.jpg?w=450 << mega-l0l because, 1103148;1429247275;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CULNUS ) 1103149;1429247278;ascii_on_tour;we had this stove. 1103150;1429247305;*;BingoBoingo wonders if MPEx would be interested in Onion futures if I manage to escape wire, simply because US demands Onions not have futures 1103151;1429247317;ascii_on_tour;mega-chick also, in the photo 1103152;1429247335;ben_vulpes;mega what how? 1103153;1429247349;ascii_on_tour;ben_vulpes: 'money oven' photo, linked 1103154;1429247365;ben_vulpes;oh i understand but in what way mega babe? 1103155;1429247390;ascii_on_tour;in painting by imagination. 1103156;1429247489;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/chrissanders88/status/588783110956785664 1103157;1429247490;assbot;OH: “If you are the crazy shotgun guy and people want to test you then you just arent crazy enough." 1103158;1429247490;ascii_on_tour;http://33.media.tumblr.com/317fd7759acf3b4b1cb9eea0784c6574/tumblr_nd091mK7En1tlpc32o1_400.gif << fucksaw (TM) 1103159;1429247491;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2L3nV ) 1103160;1429247492;ascii_on_tour;!s fucksaw 1103161;1429247492;assbot;0 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw 1103162;1429247539;ben_vulpes;ascii_on_tour: how explain IP? 1103163;1429247555;ben_vulpes;also how explain no results for fucksaw 1103164;1429247558;ascii_on_tour;connected to access point across the street 1103165;1429247561;ascii_on_tour;'linksys; 1103166;1429247565;ascii_on_tour;try yourself 1103167;1429247572;mircea_popescu;ascii_on_tour everyone had that stove. 1103168;1429247586;ascii_on_tour;mircea_popescu: ever orc north of equator 1103169;1429247592;ascii_on_tour;*every 1103170;1429247594;mircea_popescu;no, this is a vienna thing. 1103171;1429247603;mircea_popescu;hence the "vienese smokes" specification for them 1103172;1429247607;mircea_popescu;viense smoke = best smoke. 1103173;1429247610;liquidassets;can anyone tell me if this VPN is something I don't want to use? I found this green gorilla thing next to the freenode login from #b-a's main page. Thought it was the cloak I was looking for. Don't believe it is as it's made logging into Thunderbird and Craigslist impossible without turning it off 1103174;1429247621;ascii_on_tour;wut 1103175;1429247635;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/32v8ko/new_york_update_former_nyse_ceo_to_teraexchange/cqf6xnh 1103176;1429247636;assbot;ButterNubber comments on New York Update: Former NYSE CEO to TeraExchange Former FDIC Chair to itBit ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2LsXH ) 1103177;1429247659;ascii_on_tour;liquidassets: run moar winblows 1103178;1429247672;mircea_popescu;"all of our servers are busy right now 1103179;1429247672;mircea_popescu;please try again in a minute" 1103180;1429247680;mircea_popescu;plox stop linking reddit, we're slashdotting them. 1103181;1429247690;ascii_on_tour;poor bugg3rz 1103182;1429247691;liquidassets;on a mac... 1103183;1429247693;BingoBoingo;liquidassets: stick pogoplug in library with wifi, use as VPN entry point 1103184;1429247706;liquidassets;can I get one soon?? 1103185;1429247725;ascii_on_tour;liquidassets: what would you bring through american airport? a vax ? 1103186;1429247728;liquidassets;pogoplug I thought no such bought them all 1103187;1429247737;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But it's the big exposure of Qntra's follow up to BitPay 9 layoff forbes is trying to steal 1103188;1429247741;ascii_on_tour;liquidassets: l0l aha they are here. 1103189;1429247748;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo doh. 1103190;1429247770;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo they just "found it on the internet". 1103191;1429247793;liquidassets;did you opt for pat down ascii? 1103192;1429247814;BingoBoingo;I mean it i only the second big time insiders decided to leak qntra first, because qntra respects leaks 1103193;1429247841;ascii_on_tour;liquidassets: opted for default 1103194;1429247841;ascii_on_tour;which appears to consist of 'hurry the fuck up, we don't care what's in the crate' 1103195;1429247855;ascii_on_tour;seriously, mega-ass-inspection-fail 1103196;1429247881;ben_vulpes;bienvenidos a argentina 1103197;1429247891;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_on_tour 1103198;1429247901;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_on_tour continue unreliable narratodor 1103199;1429247922;ben_vulpes;donde nadie dale las mierdas 1103200;1429247956;ascii_orc;l0l 1103201;1429247956;ascii_orc;ben_vulpes et al will ask my meatbag the next day, aha 1103202;1429248045;ascii_orc;' —Y mientras tanto qué comemos —preguntó, y agarró al coronel por el cuello de la franela. Lo sacudió con energía—. Dime, qué comemos. El coronel necesitó setenta y cinco años —los setenta y cinco años de su vida, minuto a minuto— para llegar a ese instante. Se sintió puro, explícito, invencible, en el momento de responder. — Mierda.' (TM) 1103203;1429248058;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/588935101712437248 1103204;1429248059;assbot;Biggest news today in the /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash space by a mile. itBit landed none other then Sheila Blaire for their board! http://t.co/fn5VA2XdFx 1103205;1429248081;ascii_orc;http://www.literatura.us/garciamarquez/coronel.html << where else 1103206;1429248083;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2MG5h ) 1103207;1429248326;ascii_orc;BingoBoingo: you oughta have come here. 1103208;1429248331;ascii_orc;'I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.' (TM) 1103209;1429248493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16329 @ 0.0003065 = 5.0048 BTC [+] {3} 1103210;1429248787;ascii_orc;http://trilema.com/2015/random-weird-shit-2/ << obligatory su lul: '— one day, shell landed in a trench. all the men went up. at the end of the day, we turned up an arse and a set of limbs, no head, no torso. — what did you do? — if the head had turned up, it could be a man again. but naturally - it is top brass now. what else.' 1103211;1429248788;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2OvPm ) 1103212;1429248886;BingoBoingo;ascii_orc: But how is the steak? 1103213;1429248911;ascii_orc;almost alive. 1103214;1429248933;ascii_orc;could almost 'moo' in mouth. 1103215;1429248951;BingoBoingo;Beautiful 1103216;1429248988;BingoBoingo;Next month should be an inflection point that ends god awful multi-year misdemeanor proceedings 1103217;1429249110;ascii_orc;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/random-weird-shit3.jpg << i bet it was put to use. at least once. 1103218;1429249111;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aCrTr1 ) 1103219;1429249221;*;ascii_orc to bed. 1103220;1429249957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00030369 = 1.2299 BTC [-] 1103221;1429253040;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttstamp 1103222;1429253041;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.73, Best ask: 225.26, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 224.83, 24 hour volume: 10271.83165616, 24 hour low: 223.5, 24 hour high: 229.67, 24 hour vwap: 227.079143186 1103223;1429253095;Chillum;mircea_popescu: You expressed on interest in my super simple war walking device I am working on. I have made PCB design and ordered 4 prototype boards(only $20): http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_PCB.png - The circuit basically bridges an ESP8266 ESP-01, a RYN25AI, and 2 AA batteries. The rest is software 1103224;1429253097;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOTKka ) 1103225;1429253184;Chillum;Looks like it can be built for $26-30 worth of parts, less if made in bulk 1103226;1429253223;Chillum;J1,J2 and J3 are just headers for the prototype of if I sell them I will go surface mount 1103227;1429253556;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1103228;1429253560;gribble;Current Blocks: 352461 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 338 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 15 hours, 22 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47768661760.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.39303 1103229;1429253617;Chillum;;;ticker 1103230;1429253618;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 225.77, Best ask: 225.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 225.86, 24 hour volume: 20324.16463538, 24 hour low: 224.55, 24 hour high: 230.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1103231;1429254002;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1103232;1429254016;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Quick question 1103233;1429254026;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Can you answer? 1103234;1429254043;felipelalli;Hi BingoBoingo! Sure. 1103235;1429254045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00030775 = 7.863 BTC [+] 1103236;1429254077;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: What virtues would Brazil have to offer a person expatriating the United States of Lulz? 1103237;1429254327;Chillum;This is what I am doing in the mean-time: http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_Perf.png 1103238;1429254329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOW62C ) 1103239;1429254643;felipelalli;What do you mean with "of Lulz"? 1103240;1429254831;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Well, all those ways the US sucks that we don't talk about. Like way too many people I went to school with living in tri-generational homes. 1103241;1429254846;BingoBoingo;Like people do in the poorest parts of Asia 1103242;1429254873;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1103243;1429254959;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: are you from U.S.? Do you intends to do as Roger Ver did? Something like that? 1103244;1429255003;BingoBoingo;Not as Roger Ver did. If I manage to leave alive I intend to do it with both middle fingers out of a cheap Saturn sedan. 1103245;1429255024;BingoBoingo;I wonder mostly... where do I park the Saturn 1103246;1429255040;felipelalli;ahahha :) 1103247;1429255129;BingoBoingo;I'm wondering if Brazil has compelling places and characteristics that justify getting Portugese 1103248;1429255181;BingoBoingo;!up asciilifeform 1103249;1429255211;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The few salaried Gawler folk get scared http://gawker.com/why-weve-decided-to-organize-1698246231 1103250;1429255211;assbot;Why We've Decided to Organize  ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOYbvu ) 1103251;1429255309;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: well, the Brazil is a very complicated country. We have like 60~70% of taxes, but our government is very corrupt and inefficient. So, the people try to avoid to pay taxes, but some taxes are impossible to avoid. As a reference, you can buy a new March (small car of Nissan) 1.6 here for US$ 13,000.00 and you can't import your old Saturn. Used car import is prohibited. Also, a negative point is the huge urban violence. 1103252;1429255371;felipelalli;And you can't defend your self because personal weapon is very tackled, both culturally and the by the government. 1103253;1429255454;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: But with money you can live well here. I like the State of São Paulo, where I live, and I like my city Campinas. There are nice cities around here, like Sorocaba or Águas de São Pedro. 1103254;1429255496;BingoBoingo;Corrupt and inefficient is good, but somewhere between Laredo nd Nuevo Laredo I would indeed like to acquire a 1911 1103255;1429255561;felipelalli;despite all the problems, precisely because it is inefficient and corrupt, I feel more free here than I feel in U.S. (where I went sometimes) or in Australia (where I lived for one year) 1103256;1429255598;felipelalli;I fell more free in relation of the government pressure, but not about the urban violence. 1103257;1429255633;felipelalli;in Australia I was used to walk at dawn, and here it is dangerous. 1103258;1429255693;felipelalli;I was assaulted at least 4 times in my life. Last time it was in 2008 I guess. 1103259;1429255700;funkenstein_;i had a dream about the south american map night before last 1103260;1429255723;funkenstein_;the countries were stretched like thin strips like they were all chile 1103261;1429255732;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: I have two friends from U.S. living here. Well, at least one. One of them I think already went back to U.S. 1103262;1429255738;trinque;funkenstein_: can't carry a knife? if not a gun? 1103263;1429255743;trinque;* felipelalli ^ 1103264;1429255750;funkenstein_;brazil had a really fat part in the south out in front of b.a. 1103265;1429255760;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: I can introduce them to you and you can ask them. 1103266;1429255779;funkenstein_;and i had to identify them on the map using a javascript phrase like js.equalsVerify("brazil") 1103267;1429255790;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: I have time, now might not be the right one yet 1103268;1429255799;felipelalli;trinque: you can carry a knife, it is ok! 1103269;1429255846;felipelalli;trinque: you can carry also a gun, because the police is almost absent. But you run the risk of being arrested. And you do not want to be arrested here!! 1103270;1429255858;felipelalli;funkenstein_: lol 1103271;1429255970;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: sure! But if you want I can introduce these two friends to you! One of them didn't like Brazil too much, I guess he already went back to U.S. The other one loves the beach here, but he complain about the insecurity, his house was robbed. 1103272;1429256180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17008 @ 0.00030312 = 5.1555 BTC [-] {3} 1103273;1429256546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8075 @ 0.00030108 = 2.4312 BTC [-] {2} 1103274;1429256557;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: I'll wait for introductions until I'm out 1103275;1429256606;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Maybe you've been missing the news, but US police don't arrest armed persons very much anymore. 1103276;1429256635;BingoBoingo;They do indeed do something, but that something is far from arrest... 1103277;1429256695;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: it is a good news, isn't it? I know in U.S. you can carry a gun. I was saying here in Brazil. Here you can because the police almost doest not exist, but if you are caught, you'll be arrested. 1103278;1429256744;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: What I mean by "far from arrest" in the US context is that rather than handcuffing a person the prefer to handcuff cadavears 1103279;1429256808;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1103280;1429256823;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: auehaueauu that's news for me! 1103281;1429256846;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: I thought it was guaranteed by the constitution. 1103282;1429256863;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: I'll send you an email with their contacts. 1103283;1429256876;BingoBoingo;Oh, shooting moving targets is the US police greatest pastime 1103284;1429256939;felipelalli;auehaueauhea 1103285;1429257036;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 161.66584834 BTC. Current weight: 58,179. 1103286;1429257095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0002988 = 1.7032 BTC [-] 1103287;1429257111;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: maybe this video can summarize the Brazilian spirit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PjrTOjxjxk 1103288;1429257113;assbot;HUAHUEHUAHUE BR BR (Animated Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1b98PSn ) 1103289;1429257417;BingoBoingo;The tldr; situation on Gawker is Denton paid HamNo for too long and now he is focusing all his "pro-labor" effort on unionizing Gawker's editorial staff. No mention that editorial means management and as a rule management doesn't unionize. 1103290;1429257936;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Not very big on summaries here 1103291;1429257949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26386 @ 0.0002983 = 7.8709 BTC [-] {3} 1103292;1429258193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00030398 = 3.9213 BTC [+] {2} 1103293;1429258975;mircea_popescu;heh http://andrewdieppa.kinja.com/indecent-exposure-or-the-fetlife-security-hole-1688251638 1103294;1429258976;assbot;Indecent Exposure, or the FetLife Security Hole ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSBC4n ) 1103295;1429258979;mircea_popescu;wtf is kinja 1103296;1429258986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14334 @ 0.00030775 = 4.4113 BTC [+] 1103297;1429258997;mircea_popescu;btw danielpbarron : see if https://twitter.com/fnxTX feels like coming by here sometime ? 1103298;1429258999;assbot;JJ 「ᶜᶦᵗᶦᶻᵉᶯᶠᶦᵛᵉ」 (@fnxTX) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSBDVR ) 1103299;1429259150;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Kinja is blogger, but offered by Gawker instead of Google 1103300;1429259178;mircea_popescu;oic 1103301;1429259264;BingoBoingo;For the drinkingrecord blog I've had a title to write in que on why kinja is a shit proposition for the individual blogger, but... time 1103302;1429259291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17951 @ 0.00030775 = 5.5244 BTC [+] 1103303;1429259444;mircea_popescu;aha. 1103304;1429259448;mircea_popescu;seems kinda obscure anyway 1103305;1429259595;BingoBoingo;It is, why it fell on the backburner. They've pushed it, but their "values" make things such that the potential audience who could use it is too small. 1103306;1429259808;mircea_popescu;myeah 1103307;1429260032;BingoBoingo;OH, and since I can't be there, announcement for con 3. Since last con I have abused derp sportsbooks and CoinBase Inc. to taint no less than 750 BTC with my stench. 1103308;1429260158;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 1103309;1429260286;BingoBoingo;Oh, I've been gambling on shady books which keep their public wallet addresses big and directly depositing to CoinBase. Contributing to the death of the idea of taint. 1103310;1429260329;mircea_popescu;haha ok 1103311;1429260363;BingoBoingo;Been mixing coins definitely mine by legacy addresses with big wallets and going straight from the big wallets to CoinBase, because fuck it. 1103312;1429260780;BingoBoingo;Working with minimal budget I've been cross taiting a number of coins across groups who I know don't want it. 1103313;1429260804;BingoBoingo;(outside of #b-a sphere) 1103314;1429260971;funkenstein_;why would anyone care? unspent outputs are unspent outputs, something else going to an address is just another unspent output. 1103315;1429261039;funkenstein_;not like I ever have to touch dust you send to an address I control 1103316;1429261143;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103255 <<< where abouts in australia did ya stay? 1103317;1429261143;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 07:26:01; felipelalli: despite all the problems, precisely because it is inefficient and corrupt, I feel more free here than I feel in U.S. (where I went sometimes) or in Australia (where I lived for one year) 1103318;1429261397;cazalla;!up felipelalli 1103319;1429261404;felipelalli;cazalla: Brisbane, Queensland. 1103320;1429261428;cazalla;oh really? queensland is like most racist state in all the lands 1103321;1429261450;felipelalli;cazalla: really? I didn't realize that. 1103322;1429261459;cazalla;might've been qld cops that killed a brazillian for simply running away 1103323;1429261475;felipelalli;cazalla: ah! yeah. that was I said. 1103324;1429261504;cazalla;seems it was Sydney, oh well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Beto_Laudisio 1103325;1429261506;assbot;Death of Beto Laudisio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAw7Lj ) 1103326;1429261520;mircea_popescu;aaaaannnnd... http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-iii/ 1103327;1429261520;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAw9Tq ) 1103328;1429261524;felipelalli;cazalla: I said I didn't feel free there in relation to the police/state, only that I could walk at night on street. 1103329;1429261666;cazalla;mircea_popescu, aaaaaaaaaannnnnd not a single one from melbourne, australia 1103330;1429261668;felipelalli;cazalla: I remember well this case. 1103331;1429261721;cazalla;felipelalli, it caught a lot of attention in the media here, not sure abroad (although when indian students get bashed/murdered, indian media goes bananas) 1103332;1429261892;mircea_popescu;cazalla imagine that. 1103333;1429261900;felipelalli;cazalla: also here. But you have no idea how much people are killed by police here. If they'd create a new entry on Wikipedia about all cases the Wikipedia would run out of space!! ahhaha 1103334;1429261906;mircea_popescu;some from queensland... 1103335;1429261923;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: how did you make this list? 1103336;1429261952;mircea_popescu;see http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/ ? 1103337;1429261953;assbot;Fetlife, the meat market on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAxjhL ) 1103338;1429261991;felipelalli;wow 1103339;1429262000;funkenstein_;i have an idea, lets give a bunch of idiots uniforms and guns and see what happens 1103340;1429262083;mircea_popescu;During the inquest, the cause of death was also not determined. Various causes of death were, however, specifically ruled out. These were: 1103341;1429262083;mircea_popescu;i. The tasering, either in drive stun or probe mode Experts determined that there was insufficient electricity to have caused a heart rhythm disruption in drive stun mode, nor were any pair of probes positioned either side of the heart (as was the case in scholarly articles in which it has been suggested that Taser may have caused ventricular fibrillation) 1103342;1429262095;mircea_popescu;dude check that out. how do the tasers work, by invoking manna from heaven ? 1103343;1429262114;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/rKg0J0M.jpg <<< garza's wife again 1103344;1429262115;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAxFoL ) 1103345;1429262167;mircea_popescu;notbad. 1103346;1429262197;mircea_popescu;is that a handcarved pole behind her, in between those corner windows ? 1103347;1429262202;mircea_popescu;i seem to remember very similar windows... 1103348;1429262558;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: The point is the FBI and Treasury department showed up at my front door. I know full well I am watched. Vehicles park in my neighborhood without known possession. If they will deny me life as such then I will be Xoas, the gap. 1103349;1429262590;BingoBoingo;If I must be minded, why not be the gap? 1103350;1429262631;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103214 << ahaha good one. 1103351;1429262631;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 05:35:33; ascii_orc: could almost 'moo' in mouth. 1103352;1429262684;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103223 << pretty cool shit. 1103353;1429262684;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 06:44:55; Chillum: mircea_popescu: You expressed on interest in my super simple war walking device I am working on. I have made PCB design and ordered 4 prototype boards(only $20): http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_PCB.png - The circuit basically bridges an ESP8266 ESP-01, a RYN25AI, and 2 AA batteries. The rest is software 1103354;1429262716;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103247 << imo brazil is headed straight for mexico fail mode. 1103355;1429262716;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 07:18:49; BingoBoingo: I'm wondering if Brazil has compelling places and characteristics that justify getting Portugese 1103356;1429262723;mircea_popescu;this is not recoverable. 1103357;1429262727;BingoBoingo;If already man, why not myth and legend? 1103358;1429262749;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Been my present Brazil objection 1103359;1429262820;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the gawker shit kicks ass. 1103360;1429262839;mircea_popescu;and whether ben_vulpes objects or not, i can only see it in terms of "qntra model ruined gawker, because bitcoin is the world eater" 1103361;1429262860;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I's seriously qntra it up now if wasn't contemplating legend atm 1103362;1429262927;mircea_popescu;"as journalism has moved online and flourished over the past 20 years" "good times (which our company enjoys now), and even more in bad times (which will inevitably come)" 1103363;1429262949;mircea_popescu;hahaha. if the past 20 years is flourishing, and the current "we don't pay you anything, write for free" thing is good times... 1103364;1429262954;mircea_popescu;but he's right : worse times are coming. 1103365;1429262961;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: it is also easy to extract all photos from the site, like this one: https://fetlife.com/users/70387/pictures/978791 1103366;1429262962;assbot;Login - FetLife ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAzhP7 ) 1103367;1429262974;mircea_popescu;yes. 1103368;1429263006;mircea_popescu;"Nobody is seeking to hurt this company, or plunder it for all it's worth, or find a way to attack the people that run it. We're just trying to make it a bit more functional, and a bit more fair." 1103369;1429263008;mircea_popescu;win. 1103370;1429263021;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : gawker is sinking, people desperate, fighting over carcass begun. 1103371;1429263030;mircea_popescu;it had to happen, after all. 1103372;1429263089;felipelalli;lol! they have a "accept of terms" when you create the account something like "please keep it anonymous". 1103373;1429263123;mircea_popescu;everyone trying to foist the actual doing of their actual job on everyone else, it's a thing 1103374;1429263127;mircea_popescu;called "welfare state" 1103375;1429263153;funkenstein_;Bingobongo, Xoas? 1103376;1429263252;funkenstein_; tl;dr : gawker is sinking, people desperate, fighting over carcass begun. <-- and so it begins 1103377;1429263255;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Greek, English alphabet Chaos 1103378;1429263265;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1103379;1429263266;funkenstein_;thank you 1103380;1429263334;funkenstein_;re: mind the gap, i am moving out of fiat mordor in a few days 1103381;1429263407;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Historically the term means something very different than in 20th century English 1103382;1429263448;*;BingoBoingo wonders how many USG stooges will be billed to read Heraclitus nao 1103383;1429263456;funkenstein_;"abyss, that which gapes wide open, is vast and empty," 1103384;1429263501;funkenstein_;the ocean of the undescriptable 1103385;1429263505;funkenstein_;nyarlathotep 1103386;1429263522;funkenstein_;mind the gap indeed eh? 1103387;1429263530;BingoBoingo;Indeed 1103388;1429263649;BingoBoingo;Unaddressed movie consequences "Man of Steel" (2013), everyone has arthritis nao 1103389;1429263817;punkman;g'day asseteers 1103390;1429263858;funkenstein_;g'day punkman 1103391;1429264008;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/YhKUqXu.png a day after the frenchies publish this... http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2013/08/16/des-seismes-sans-precedent-historique-sont-possibles-en-europe_3462489_3244.html 1103392;1429264008;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yABZUY ) 1103393;1429264010;assbot;Des séismes sans précédent historique sont possibles en Europe ... ( http://bit.ly/1yABZV2 ) 1103394;1429264020;punkman;pretty good shake last night 1103395;1429264047;punkman;maybe Χαος is feeling frisky 1103396;1429264076;BingoBoingo;But yes, since the Feds showed up at my door I have done my best to be a complete dick who either controls hundreds of dollars of BTC or hundreds of thousands (maybe millions, I'm an ass like that) 1103397;1429264081;*;funkenstein_ sends greetings to all at the b-a mtg in b-a, sends energy to ensure it will b-a success 1103398;1429264104;mircea_popescu;lol 1103399;1429264112;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1103400;1429264131;mircea_popescu;punkman what if crete goes to look for atlantida ? 1103401;1429264172;punkman;argentina looks like a good place to be considering tectonics 1103402;1429264176;punkman;or maybe australia 1103403;1429264200;BingoBoingo;punkman: Techtonically atlantic coasts, generally much safer 1103404;1429264211;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/#comment-16168 << o.O 1103405;1429264212;assbot;Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yACoGT ) 1103406;1429264415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8827 @ 0.00030459 = 2.6886 BTC [-] 1103407;1429264517;*;BingoBoingo errs on the side of underestimating the worth of his meat to USG 1103408;1429264598;punkman;mircea_popescu: last big one pushed western part of the island about 10 meters upwards. so more likely to rise than sink. 1103409;1429265218;cazalla;https://hashtalk.org/topic/36590/this-industry-makes-me-sick <<< lol http://dpaste.com/3ZK2ST8.txt 1103410;1429265219;assbot;HashTalk - Ideas, Talk, and Hardware - Bitcoin & Scrypt Mining ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAEEhr ) 1103411;1429265220;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAEG96 ) 1103412;1429265333;punkman;hah, win "Calling the employers of developers, that are giving their free time to paycoin, to get them fired? Calling and texting the parents of developers to tell them their child is part of scam?" 1103413;1429265417;mircea_popescu;punkman the titanic rose before it sunk. 1103414;1429265441;mircea_popescu;well... they ARE part of a scam. 1103415;1429265468;punkman;and they aren't even getting paid... 1103416;1429265478;mircea_popescu;typical idiocy, that. 1103417;1429265484;mircea_popescu;gawker doing exactly the same posturing 1103418;1429265487;mircea_popescu;"for the future". 1103419;1429265506;punkman;cazalla, are there more pics? 1103420;1429265508;mircea_popescu;the theory being that i am somehow obliged to BELIEVE their pretense, and pay them accordingly. which is why all teh anger when i go "orly, gawker ?" 1103421;1429265510;cazalla;i can't imagine his wife is that upset, had what.. 3 kids and still has a rockin' body 1103422;1429265529;mircea_popescu;cazalla yah, nothing to be ashamed of there. 1103423;1429265531;cazalla;punkman, bitcointalk thread references some others but seems deleted or something 1103424;1429265552;mircea_popescu;"Have I made mistakes? Yes. Have I owned them? Yes And am I still trying to " 1103425;1429265553;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1103426;1429265557;mircea_popescu;he should be on fetlife. 1103427;1429265576;fluffypony;"What's more is they laugh about people loosing money." 1103428;1429265578;fluffypony;loosing money? 1103429;1429265587;fluffypony;the money! she is loose! 1103430;1429265592;mircea_popescu;"my wife is loosin' money!" 1103431;1429265607;mircea_popescu;garza, delousing money. since 2013 1103432;1429265615;fluffypony;lol 1103433;1429265660;mircea_popescu;"your honor... this money was very lossy to begin with!" 1103434;1429265770;fluffypony;"I should've used TIFF, but I chose JPEG" 1103435;1429265818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4711 @ 0.00029743 = 1.4012 BTC [-] 1103436;1429265871;BingoBoingo;lol, unlike Garza to taint hundreds to thousands of BTC with my stink I required no scam 1103437;1429265905;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: For the qntra can you get lots of pictures of groups of the pale devils at BTCAfrica? 1103438;1429265907;cazalla;BingoBoingo, drinking? 1103439;1429265913;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Yup 1103440;1429265925;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: I will 1103441;1429265938;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Cool 1103442;1429265977;cazalla;tempted to keep my beers until tmw night 1103443;1429265979;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Big reveal was planned sober though. Many non-Wotty outfits handle too much money and could use some WoT stink anyways 1103444;1429266175;cazalla;well your stash must tend towards the millions if this taint is widespread :P 1103445;1429266259;BingoBoingo;cazalla: You don't understand how fundamentally these services are broken. You can withdraw Bitcents from addresses with hundreds of BTC 1103446;1429266300;BingoBoingo;!up mogreen How's your eye? 1103447;1429266306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0002942 = 3.7069 BTC [-] {2} 1103448;1429266446;mogreen;BingoBoingo: My eye? Why would you be asking about my eye? 1103449;1429266468;BingoBoingo;mogreen: Haven't you seen the movie? 1103450;1429266477;mogreen;BingoBoingo: nope 1103451;1429266513;BingoBoingo;mogreen: Oh, if I'm talking through a time warp watch out for the massage table and the big wop with the flowerbox. 1103452;1429266564;mogreen;BingoBoingo: noted, thx 1103453;1429266588;BingoBoingo;So how's vegas? 1103454;1429266728;mogreen;BingoBoingo: still in my future I guess 1103455;1429266739;mogreen;BingoBoingo: I presently have no plans to visit vegas 1103456;1429266763;BingoBoingo;I have no sensible explanation for your irc nick then mogreen 1103457;1429266802;mogreen;BingoBoingo: even ppl who don't go to vegas need mo' green! 1103458;1429266832;BingoBoingo;Oh, boring weed reference 1103459;1429266916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00028851 = 12.5502 BTC [-] {3} 1103460;1429267040;funkenstein_;i thought you were talking about the candlestick charts usd/btc 1103461;1429267143;BingoBoingo;Nah 1103462;1429267326;funkenstein_;namecoin has been quite volatile for a couple days 1103463;1429267335;funkenstein_;which is my clumsy segue for asking a question 1103464;1429267349;funkenstein_;what do you think about putting gpg fingerprint in namecoin database 1103465;1429267360;funkenstein_;instead of e.t. "mit server" 1103466;1429267363;funkenstein_;*e.g. 1103467;1429267409;funkenstein_;or even full pubkey 1103468;1429267442;funkenstein_;in name value pair like "/k funkenstein","" 1103469;1429267456;funkenstein_;or some such? 1103470;1429267499;funkenstein_;!up felipelalli 1103471;1429267499;cazalla;!up felipelalli 1103472;1429267746;funkenstein_;seems like a good idea to me but nobody uses it as far as i can tell 1103473;1429267748;funkenstein_;http://wiki.namecoin.info/index.php?title=Identity#GPG 1103474;1429267749;assbot;Identity - Namecoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Heo1t0 ) 1103475;1429267953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11911 @ 0.0002999 = 3.5721 BTC [+] {2} 1103476;1429269844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27828 @ 0.00030545 = 8.5001 BTC [+] 1103477;1429270454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31762 @ 0.00030775 = 9.7748 BTC [+] 1103478;1429270509;funkenstein_;http://thedailywtf.com/articles/nothing-refreshes-like-lorem-ipsum 1103479;1429270510;assbot;Nothing Refreshes like Lorem Ipsum - The Daily WTF ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPznn1 ) 1103480;1429271168;funkenstein_;!up CheckDavid 1103481;1429271369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00029343 = 24.5307 BTC [-] {4} 1103482;1429271552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13367 @ 0.00030775 = 4.1137 BTC [+] 1103483;1429271918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00030775 = 12.4331 BTC [+] 1103484;1429272650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00030775 = 2.3235 BTC [+] 1103485;1429272833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00030775 = 14.2796 BTC [+] 1103486;1429274297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81800 @ 0.0002833 = 23.1739 BTC [-] 1103487;1429275151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81500 @ 0.00028554 = 23.2715 BTC [+] 1103488;1429275517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70655 @ 0.00029359 = 20.7436 BTC [+] {2} 1103489;1429275639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14245 @ 0.00030284 = 4.314 BTC [+] 1103490;1429276114;mats;good morning 1103491;1429277548;mats;Bloomberg down, finance workers shit themselves 1103492;1429278955;ben_vulpes;achtung pumperos! 1103493;1429278969;ben_vulpes;to the showers and thence the lobby! 1103494;1429279039;ben_vulpes;y despues, desayuno? 1103495;1429279881;mircea_popescu;!up sosamendez 1103496;1429279896;mircea_popescu;!up DigitalDayTrader 1103497;1429279932;sosamendez;will there be any windows releases of the protocol from the bitcoin foundation? 1103498;1429279977;sosamendez;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ 1103499;1429279978;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJZq5 ) 1103500;1429279982;sosamendez;im talking about this one 1103501;1429280139;ben_vulpes;no. 1103502;1429280147;mircea_popescu;sosamendez you can compile it if you wish, and sign the copy 1103503;1429280155;ben_vulpes;sosamendez: wincrud was explicitly stripped from the codebase. 1103504;1429280157;mircea_popescu;whether anyone uses it or not i guess depends on how credible you seem to them 1103505;1429280168;mod6;hola amigos :] 1103506;1429280172;cazalla;safety isn't guaranteed sosamendez 1103507;1429280179;ben_vulpes;doing anything related to keys on a windows machine is baaaaad sosamendez 1103508;1429280227;ben_vulpes;hola mod6 1103509;1429280259;mircea_popescu;come andan ? 1103510;1429280327;ben_vulpes;i wish my spanish were good enough to pun on andan and adonde 1103511;1429280345;mircea_popescu;lol 1103512;1429280369;mircea_popescu;anyway, powernap time. 1103513;1429280409;ben_vulpes;wait first why would i object to qntra gawker whatever 1103514;1429280491;ben_vulpes; [09:26] and whether ben_vulpes objects or not, i can only see it in terms of "qntra model ruined gawker, because bitcoin is the world eater" << suppose i'll ask over afternoon coffees 1103515;1429280744;sosamendez;mircea: how you enjoying argentina 1103516;1429280747;sosamendez;compared to romania 1103517;1429281678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00029628 = 6.8441 BTC [-] 1103518;1429281861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81500 @ 0.00029582 = 24.1093 BTC [-] 1103519;1429282593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9409 @ 0.00029628 = 2.7877 BTC [+] 1103520;1429283084;*;mod6 feels like a new man 1103521;1429283325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00029582 = 18.6662 BTC [-] 1103522;1429283937;davout;ben_vulpes mod6 you ready? 1103523;1429284266;mod6;yeah! 1103524;1429284273;mod6;sorry was just messing with my openbsd wifi 1103525;1429284284;mod6;should I head down to the lobby? 1103526;1429284459;mod6;aight, im just gonna head down there. c-ya in a bit. 1103527;1429284483;davout;mod6: yep, heading down there now 1103528;1429284734;ben_vulpes;vamanos! 1103529;1429284740;ben_vulpes;vamanos! 1103530;1429284971;Chillum;Fritzing is a great tool. I love how after building your circuit you can order $5 prototype boards 1103531;1429285106;Chillum;hardware hacking is cool 1103532;1429286009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114700 @ 0.00029136 = 33.419 BTC [-] {2} 1103533;1429286038;Chillum;I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing 1103534;1429286918;danielpbarron;height=327079 vs height=224268 1103535;1429286985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00029523 = 8.1336 BTC [+] 1103536;1429287046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55850 @ 0.00029524 = 16.4892 BTC [+] 1103537;1429289587;mats;jesus, Slack got a 160mn round at 2.8B valuation 1103538;1429289974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43338 @ 0.0002915 = 12.633 BTC [-] {2} 1103539;1429290035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6118 @ 0.00028914 = 1.769 BTC [-] 1103540;1429290950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.000296 = 12.7872 BTC [+] {2} 1103541;1429291745;davout;;;ticker --eur 1103542;1429291745;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message) 1103543;1429291807;davout;;;ticker --currency eur 1103544;1429291809;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. 1103545;1429291819;davout;;;ticker --currency EUR 1103546;1429291821;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. 1103547;1429291824;davout;;;ticker --currency EUR 1103548;1429291825;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. 1103549;1429291844;davout;;;ticker --market bc 1103550;1429291845;gribble;OKCoin BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.405279, Best ask: 222.456895, Bid-ask spread: 0.05162, Last trade: 222.456895, 24 hour volume: 109476.961, 24 hour low: 221.324569, 24 hour high: 230.426728, 24 hour vwap: None 1103551;1429291860;davout;;;ticker --currency EUR 1103552;1429291862;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. 1103553;1429291872;davout;fuck you gribbleh 1103554;1429292120;adlai;https://i.imgur.com/vpszC6u.png 1103555;1429292120;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSy42T ) 1103556;1429292235;adlai;https://twitter.com/OKCoinBTC/status/588983995519533056 1103557;1429292238;assbot;We are aware of the issues surrounding today's settlement. Thanks for your patience as we fix the problem. All funds are accounted for. 1103558;1429292508;adlai;https://twitter.com/OKCoinBTC/status/589002676446171138 1103559;1429292509;assbot;Update: OKCoin will resume operations as usual later today. Trades made post 4pm Beijing time will be retracted. 1103560;1429292517;adlai;hooray for playmoney 1103561;1429293374;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 7(Y):93(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.21280975 BTC. Current weight: 52,009. 1103562;1429293756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36820 @ 0.00028914 = 10.6461 BTC [-] 1103563;1429293939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65700 @ 0.00029901 = 19.645 BTC [+] {2} 1103564;1429296135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57460 @ 0.00029093 = 16.7168 BTC [-] 1103565;1429296440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40097 @ 0.00030229 = 12.1209 BTC [+] {4} 1103566;1429297166;BingoBoingo;!up rofei 1103567;1429297720;trinque;BingoBoingo: anyone figure out whether ascii was fucking around or if that was an actual impersonator? 1103568;1429297750;BingoBoingo;No idea. Likely one or more impersonators. 1103569;1429297822;jurov;who? the bolivia one? 1103570;1429298067;jurov;maybe it's nsa and s.nsa are plying spy games 1103571;1429298107;BingoBoingo;Spy vs. Accidental Spy 1103572;1429298163;kakobrekla;fucking around would require leaving the bed 1103573;1429298210;jurov;why? escort won't come to the room? 1103574;1429298312;kakobrekla;thats not around. 1103575;1429298331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70944 @ 0.00030548 = 21.672 BTC [+] 1103576;1429298636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0003103 = 10.6743 BTC [+] 1103577;1429298941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00030443 = 2.679 BTC [-] {2} 1103578;1429298948;mats;http://www.phrack.com/papers/modern_objc_exploitation.html 1103579;1429298949;assbot;.:: Phrack Magazine ::. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISXu6A ) 1103580;1429299322;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/seized-bitcoin-atm-returned/ 1103581;1429299323;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1NQuJ ) 1103582;1429299696;trinque;man phrack has a great header image 1103583;1429301503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32480 @ 0.00030368 = 9.8635 BTC [-] {2} 1103584;1429301869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82150 @ 0.0002973 = 24.4232 BTC [-] {2} 1103585;1429302449;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes but what if i wanna advertise my pgp version and its implied affiliations ? also, sorry for skipping your scoop mention in the cavirtex article, it just seemed a little tardy to have mentioned it. 1103586;1429302449;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1103587;1429303233;pete_dushenski;http://www.gocomics.com/theargylesweater/2015/04/14#mutable_1286568 << power rangers lulz 1103588;1429303235;assbot; The Argyle Sweater Comic Strip, April 14, 2015 on GoComics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CXcQ1O ) 1103589;1429303512;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/17/mirceas-hierarchy-of-needs-a-letter/ 1103590;1429303514;assbot;Mircea’s Hierarchy of Needs, a letter. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CXdLzf ) 1103591;1429303658;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103404 << that qntra commenter eh. lol so he doesn't understand things so i'm wrong "because reasons" and therefore other things and such. 1103592;1429303658;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 09:50:11; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/#comment-16168 << o.O 1103593;1429304083;cazalla;that atm article BingoBoingo.. few weeks ago we got a comment bitching about my original article but it was on an article not even relevant, i assumed it was someone using a bot to just seo the guys name or something, (you can see it in the trash) 1103594;1429304144;BingoBoingo;Interesting 1103595;1429304187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.0003102 = 5.8938 BTC [+] 1103596;1429304374;cazalla;ip is from thailand too, perhaps he hired someone to do pr for him (see all the typos?) seeing his name is linked everywhere with the arrest 1103597;1429304530;BingoBoingo;Ah, k so PR spam 1103598;1429304553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4427 @ 0.0003102 = 1.3733 BTC [+] 1103599;1429305041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00029164 = 9.3616 BTC [-] 1103600;1429306932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24415 @ 0.00029444 = 7.1888 BTC [+] 1103601;1429307969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34101 @ 0.00029919 = 10.2027 BTC [+] {2} 1103602;1429308030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10999 @ 0.0003103 = 3.413 BTC [+] 1103603;1429309860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28271 @ 0.0003103 = 8.7725 BTC [+] 1103604;1429309921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120836 @ 0.0003115 = 37.6404 BTC [+] 1103605;1429310531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.00031237 = 25.9579 BTC [+] {2} 1103606;1429310706;pete_dushenski;"The high-tech spaces we walk through now are fit only for the smiling ghosts of computer visualizations, a purgatory of ‘aspirational but accessible’ restaurants and bars, ‘media-walls’ and ‘public art’ of unremitting dreariness. Where socialists and radicals could once read within the language of explicit engineering signs of redemption or change, the post High-Tech architecture in our cities has no suc 1103607;1429310706;pete_dushenski; associations: it may not be historicist, like the postmodern architecture of the neo-liberal turn in the 1980s, but rather its anaesthetized formal language is a perfect complement to the hollowed out shell of social democracy." 1103608;1429310724;pete_dushenski;heh, this murphy douglas fellow gets it. 1103609;1429310767;pete_dushenski;designing and building cities around "ideas" and can only lead to unliveable insanity. 1103610;1429310798;pete_dushenski;i should say "centralised ideas" are the point of contention 1103611;1429310836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174700 @ 0.00031322 = 54.7195 BTC [+] {4} 1103612;1429310840;pete_dushenski;soviet-harvard delusions will lead to cold and disenchanting cities 1103613;1429310876;pete_dushenski;as we see with canberra and new york, for example. 1103614;1429311492;BingoBoingo;!up asciilifeform 1103615;1429311499;BingoBoingo;!up Citizenfive 1103616;1429311719;Citizenfive;What's up fellas 1103617;1429311785;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/fnxtx/status/589201935598624770 1103618;1429311787;assbot;“Cody Wilson Wants to Destroy Your World” by /ajzaleski https://t.co/kUTv9jyJJA 1103619;1429311939;danielpbarron;;;later tell mircea_popescu ^ 1103620;1429311939;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1103621;1429312056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162892 @ 0.00030018 = 48.8969 BTC [-] {2} 1103622;1429312109;BingoBoingo;Citizenfive: Not too much. Are you the one who leaked the Drone chart at Rammstein to Greenwald? 1103623;1429312150;*;BingoBoingo wonders if Citizen works like SPECTRE, sequantial numbering and all 1103624;1429312412;Citizenfive;It's a possibility. Neither denial nor confirmation would accomplish much here. 1103625;1429312436;danielpbarron;not without a gpg 1103626;1429312557;Citizenfive;lol 1103627;1429312599;Citizenfive;There's some important lessons in the DPR case about gpg's CAPS & LIMS in practice 1103628;1429312647;trinque;Citizenfive: such as? 1103629;1429312724;Citizenfive;Cryptographically tying writing to an identity — if only probabilistically, something sadly not often considered either — is a double-edged sword. 1103630;1429312738;BingoBoingo;Well, the first is don't let the Fed's get your privates 1103631;1429312893;Citizenfive;Most of the time, I'd prefer to leave open strong possibility that me today is not me tomorrow. But I'm not here to lecture on the merits and foibles of specific cryptosuites. I'll use what I need. :) 1103632;1429312936;trinque;Citizenfive: when you have that you may lose assurance that you're speaking to whom you want 1103633;1429312943;trinque;I see your point though 1103634;1429313037;trinque;different problems, one's deniability and one's privacy 1103635;1429313213;williamdunne;Citizenfive: Lets be honest, the biggest issue was OpSec 1103636;1429313266;Citizenfive;Yes. The above link from Twitter, if you think about it, is stonger evidence that I am at least the same persona as was using that account earlier today, than anything I could present you with GPG over these channels. And, presumably, if Twitter C5's personality does not change or claim "omg HAX!" in a few hours or days, you can be comfortable that 1103637;1429313369;Citizenfive; whatever I write here was indeed *probably* the same persona. At this very second that is less certain than it will be, from a Bayesian perspective, as time goes on and Twitter C5 behaves normally. Make sense? 1103638;1429313369;Citizenfive;It always is. (OPSEC) 1103639;1429313369;trinque;Citizenfive: insufficent data for meaningful response 1103640;1429313369;Citizenfive;:) 1103641;1429313369;trinque;*answer 1103642;1429313369;danielpbarron;Citizenfive, until you're in the WoT, it doesn't really matter what else you do 1103643;1429313376;danielpbarron;!up Citizenfive 1103644;1429313398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36352 @ 0.00030661 = 11.1459 BTC [+] {2} 1103645;1429313417;Citizenfive;Well what are we here to accomplish, gents? I'm not opposed to your WoT, but that's not why I'm here. 1103646;1429313461;danielpbarron;I think MP wanted to talk to you, but he's busy with the conference probably 1103647;1429313522;danielpbarron;in the meantime you could get a key registered 1103648;1429313534;Citizenfive;Yeah. Seemed to have a specific reason, too. I don't expect I'm a regular conversation topic. 1103649;1429313593;williamdunne;!s Citizenfive 1103650;1429313594;assbot;0 results for 'Citizenfive' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Citizenfive 1103651;1429313608;williamdunne;Odd 1103652;1429313824;Citizenfive;I'll reconsider joining your super-secret boy band. Maybe. Depends on MP. 1103653;1429313864;trinque;!b 1 1103654;1429313865;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NBBPSG.txt ) 1103655;1429314062;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttstamp 1103656;1429314064;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.6, Best ask: 223.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 222.63, 24 hour volume: 7974.94113398, 24 hour low: 220.0, 24 hour high: 228.29, 24 hour vwap: 223.914503409 1103657;1429314198;williamdunne;;;ticker --market buttfinex 1103658;1429314199;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.49, Best ask: 222.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 222.5, 24 hour volume: 27097.48973466, 24 hour low: 219.58, 24 hour high: 228.98, 24 hour vwap: None 1103659;1429314205;williamdunne;Oh wow 1103660;1429314513;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market ButtChina 1103661;1429314515;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.79656, Best ask: 222.856278, Bid-ask spread: 0.05972, Last trade: 222.854664, 24 hour volume: 191409.66390000, 24 hour low: 221.39238, 24 hour high: 229.402662, 24 hour vwap: 225.195343576 1103662;1429314618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00029575 = 20.7764 BTC [-] {2} 1103663;1429314809;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg 1103664;1429314810;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt3TB4 ) 1103665;1429315118;williamdunne;In reality they only have one dog 1103666;1429315218;trinque;lol, extra points for the stripper name 1103667;1429315703;BingoBoingo;!up Citizenfive 1103668;1429315867;cazalla;scoopbot dead? http://qntra.net/2015/04/theymos-complies-with-yet-another-subpoena/ 1103669;1429315868;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt6wmh ) 1103670;1429316022;williamdunne;Out of all the derp that goes on, on bitcointalk, that seems to be completely sane 1103671;1429316037;williamdunne;Operated by someone in the US, its self-preservation on his part to comply 1103672;1429316054;williamdunne;If you send messages in cleartext on a forum run in the US, I'm not sure what more can be expected 1103673;1429316074;williamdunne;(That is not to say that the action is just, just should have been predicted) 1103674;1429316379;cazalla;williamdunne, no doubt he's in a difficult situation but with the last one, he wasn't even going to mention anything and had to be convinced to provide additional information to the public if memory serves 1103675;1429316421;cazalla;BingoBoingo wrote on it, might have a better recollection of events than i 1103676;1429316454;trinque;the idea that a forum is something which is hosted in one particular place instead of distributed among its members is absurd 1103677;1429316469;trinque;fuck you, entire web 1103678;1429316498;williamdunne;cazalla: If he didn't comply straight away, it would still end up with them threatening him personally. I would do exactly the same if I was in the US. Best not to mess with the guys with guns 1103679;1429316508;williamdunne;Then again, I also wouldn't still be in the US 1103680;1429316531;williamdunne;trinque: It suits well for most people, as do day-jobs mocking factory-floors 1103681;1429316541;williamdunne;trinque: Has its place, even if not what we need 1103682;1429316670;trinque;williamdunne: why for example does freenode need to be involved in this exchange I'm having with you now? 1103683;1429316683;trinque;am I not able to get packets to you myself? 1103684;1429316737;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Plenty of things law enforcement can use to leverage Theymos, most prominently the GLBSE shennanigans 1103685;1429317014;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Indeed, that is my point 1103686;1429317041;williamdunne;trinque: Convenience, everything on here is completely public anyway so no use in a subpoena. 1103687;1429317119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00031447 = 17.3273 BTC [+] 1103688;1429317221;trinque;williamdunne: of course, I'm asking a more fundamental question about "why the hell still mostly centralized services using HTTP" 1103689;1429317228;trinque;or in this case IRC 1103690;1429317238;trinque;williamdunne: you've probably read over this http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/ 1103691;1429317239;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yDn5gN ) 1103692;1429317242;trinque;I'm looking forward to it 1103693;1429317431;williamdunne;trinque: Sounds good, although how would that work with dynamic IPs? 1103694;1429317447;trinque;williamdunne: good thread in the comments 1103695;1429318055;williamdunne;!up citizenfive 1103696;1429318299;williamdunne;Read over the idea 1103697;1429318316;williamdunne;Could many of the same goals not be achieved by just integrating GPG into IRC? 1103698;1429318601;danielpbarron;irc isn't written by a member of the WoT 1103699;1429318663;trinque;williamdunne: what's the thought there, that the messages within the IRC protocol would be GPG messages? 1103700;1429318713;trinque;you could probably make something that was sort of like the proposal by cramming all the traffic, both gossip and direct messages through pm 1103701;1429318738;trinque;probably better to design the thing from the ground up eh? 1103702;1429318819;trinque;williamdunne: tangentially related it was rather trivial to make point-to-point chat with gpg, awk and netcat 1103703;1429318825;williamdunne;danielpbarron: What reason would that matter in particular? All our messages are public anyway. I doubt your OS was written exclusively by a member of the WoT (even if you did compile it yourself) 1103704;1429318847;trinque;williamdunne: I think the idea is eventually to have a full stack within the WoT 1103705;1429318859;williamdunne;trinque: Maybe, if it works well then awesome. Will be a great thing. But seems like it could end up more hassle than it is worth 1103706;1429318873;trinque;williamdunne: hassle to whom? 1103707;1429318893;williamdunne;trinque: Each individual end-user, we'll exclude development efforts 1103708;1429318935;trinque;it should be done at a certain point, not a katamari of features 1103709;1429318969;trinque;if it passes messages between nodes as described, and does that perfectly, that's a fantastic place to stop, then build separate things which make use of that 1103710;1429319058;williamdunne;trinque: maybe, I might just not be thinking creatively enough 1103711;1429319090;Citizenfive;A properly-done "better IRC" would pretty much fix most objections I have with the current WoT, btw 1103712;1429319103;Citizenfive;But use OTR 1103713;1429319109;trinque;Citizenfive: read the spec? 1103714;1429319134;danielpbarron;otr isn't in the WoT 1103715;1429319163;Citizenfive;Just the RFC. The general spirit of it is sound. 1103716;1429319169;williamdunne;Citizenfive: my familiarity with OTR is very slim, having only used it in conjunction with jabber. But what does it offer that GPG doesn't? 1103717;1429319205;danielpbarron;it's more user friendlier 1103718;1429319222;trinque;nah not the only thing there, as I understand it, it opts for deniability 1103719;1429319229;trinque;as per earlier thread 1103720;1429319257;danielpbarron;gossipd has similar feature 1103721;1429319271;trinque;indeed 1103722;1429319288;Citizenfive;https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/otr-wpes.pdf 1103723;1429319290;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZOz5o ) 1103724;1429319306;trinque;Citizenfive: thanks, I will read this 1103725;1429319360;danielpbarron;!s ephemeral key 1103726;1429319361;assbot;14 results for 'ephemeral key' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ephemeral+key 1103727;1429319382;trinque;Citizenfive: I don't think off-the-record is what's wanted here 1103728;1429319394;trinque;well not first 1103729;1429319423;Citizenfive;PGP & OTR are not mutually exclusive 1103730;1429319428;trinque;mhm 1103731;1429319461;trinque;take the example in the logs above, asciilifeform is using an alternate nick while traveling, and it appears someone decided to spoof as him 1103732;1429319465;williamdunne;Citizenfive: They would effectively need to be mutually exclusive if deniability is what you're going for in any group chat setting would they not 1103733;1429319496;trinque;well there's a distinction between saying "I am connected to the node I think I am" 1103734;1429319507;trinque;and saying "this message I'm looking at was certainly authored by X" 1103735;1429319510;trinque;I want the former without question 1103736;1429319519;trinque;the latter is a feature one could use or not 1103737;1429319525;trinque;depends on the situation 1103738;1429319593;Citizenfive;Both are very good tools. At present, I see many solutions trying to fit the square peg of PGP into the gaping goatse of "maintaining OPSEC in an adverse environment of well-heeled adversaries". That is, it fits, but a large round peg, perhaps OTR, would allow less... spillage. 1103739;1429319623;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103663 https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg <<< see quite a few of these here or similar style 1103740;1429319623;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 23:53:29; BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg 1103741;1429319624;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt3TB4 ) 1103742;1429319639;trinque;Citizenfive: it appears one of the goals of the gossipd network is for the topology of the network to be the topology of the WoT 1103743;1429319640;cazalla;oops, i meant this http://www.jennytalia.com/wp-content/uploads/Family-Car-Stickers7.jpg 1103744;1429319641;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZPin7 ) 1103745;1429319652;Citizenfive;The visual breaks down, but I'm amenable to a solution that uses both pegs in some way. 1103746;1429319714;danielpbarron;must be in WoT -- until then, generate your own temporary keys for "off the record" communication 1103747;1429319738;trinque;danielpbarron: there is a place for non-WoT authenticated communication 1103748;1429319747;Citizenfive;fuck's sake, the WoT is fine, lol; it too is a tool 1103749;1429319767;trinque;take the namesake of this nick ^ 1103750;1429319768;Citizenfive;like a damn broken record >.< 1103751;1429319845;Citizenfive;Right now, too few users of the WoT know how to use it *properly*, so it's not super important to me at this time. When that changes, I will use it. 1103752;1429319855;trinque;Citizenfive: define properly 1103753;1429319868;trinque;!up Citizenfive 1103754;1429319871;danielpbarron;the users who do know how to use it "properly" are the only users worth dealing with 1103755;1429319883;trinque;yes yes, WoT is good, let her speak 1103756;1429319900;Citizenfive;MP appears to know how, in his description of how to use it he explains what it is and isn't 1103757;1429319928;trinque;Citizenfive: I'm asking for my own information, not as part of an implicit debate 1103758;1429320004;Citizenfive;Without searching, if he tells me [user X] also uses it properly, I would probably trust that. All subject to the extent that I trust MP's intentions and motivations, which is sorta the point of a WoT 1103759;1429320018;trinque;probably referring to http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ which I've read 1103760;1429320018;assbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18l11un ) 1103761;1429320022;trinque;was just asking your interpretation 1103762;1429320029;trinque;anyhow yes, a tool 1103763;1429320041;Citizenfive;trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ 1103764;1429320052;Citizenfive;I have no objection to ^ 1103765;1429320113;danielpbarron;what's the objection then? that not enough net effect yet? 1103766;1429320188;trinque;danielpbarron: say, oh I don't know, I'm deep within the NSA... and I want to leak some documents 1103767;1429320197;trinque;lol 1103768;1429320242;trinque;why in hell would I communicate with you using something that requires I create a (for all reasonable measures) permanent identity 1103769;1429320284;danielpbarron;the identity doesn't have to be tied to a slave name 1103770;1429320310;trinque;true enough, and one might want to know later he's dealing with the same citizenfour as last time 1103771;1429320313;Citizenfive;I guess that, and more critically, amoung its users, I see too much overreliance on it (which is to say, people who don't fully grip the CAPS&LIMS of it as a tool) 1103772;1429320344;trinque;however in the process of doing said leaking, and especially in the process of *establishing* trust one may want deniable messaging 1103773;1429320352;trinque;gossipd as I understand it readily supports that 1103774;1429320354;trinque;*will support 1103775;1429320366;trinque;you connect to some node that's the all-welcoming orifice and it forwards it on 1103776;1429320383;trinque;and the chain of connections from that point onward is known 1103777;1429320389;Citizenfive;But we'll get there. That's the difficulty with anything. The WoT automates some rep stuff, but doesn't automate KNOWING what really is and isn't automated, or something like that 1103778;1429320415;Citizenfive;I'm not prepared to type enough to really explain my thinking at the moment 1103779;1429320442;danielpbarron;the WoT isn't automated 1103780;1429320484;*;trinque dives back into meatspace work 1103781;1429320714;Citizenfive;It automates collecting and remembering-correctly certain things. These actions were previously done in one's own head, usually with less fidelity and in ways that required more effort or energy or whatever. Idk, I call it automation, but it doesn't really matter. 1103782;1429320715;Citizenfive;https://xkcd.com/1322/ 1103783;1429320716;assbot;xkcd: Winter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQmw6M ) 1103784;1429320791;Citizenfive;The above is Feynman's favorite XKCD, and whoever can tell me why becomes my favorite asseteer 1103785;1429320858;trinque;Citizenfive: reminds me a bit of the vid where he discusses magnetism 1103786;1429320999;trinque;nvm this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM-zWTU7X-k 1103787;1429321000;assbot;Feynman: Knowing versus Understanding - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQnDDJ ) 1103788;1429321029;trinque;the magnetism one came to mind because he goes from a superficial understanding of the thing to a deeper and deeper description, ultimately saying "we have no idea" 1103789;1429321056;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8 << must've been the idiots guide to the concept 1103790;1429321057;assbot;Richard Feynman Magnets - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQnRKY ) 1103791;1429321218;mircea_popescu;ahh 1103792;1429321220;mircea_popescu;hello chan! 1103793;1429321230;trinque;mircea_popescu: good evening 1103794;1429321236;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Good morning 1103795;1429321283;mircea_popescu;good gooding. 1103796;1429321461;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103531 << heh that it is. 1103797;1429321461;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 15:38:26; Chillum: hardware hacking is cool 1103798;1429321492;mircea_popescu;"Slack brings all your communication together in one place. It's real-time messaging, archiving and search for modern teams." 1103799;1429321496;mircea_popescu;hey, sounds like 3bn. 1103800;1429321567;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103568 << the official word is that the behaviour couldnb't be reproduced (ben tried amongothers) and prolly alf did some strange locally. 1103801;1429321567;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 19:09:10; BingoBoingo: No idea. Likely one or more impersonators. 1103802;1429321568;Citizenfive;Trinique wins, with bonus points. I usually use the bit about knowing the name of a bird. 1103803;1429321633;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103574 << you could do that thing where you peel your thing and just trace around her inner labia until you blow. 1103804;1429321633;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 19:18:32; kakobrekla: thats not around. 1103805;1429321784;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103608 << not bad. 1103806;1429321784;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 22:45:24; pete_dushenski: heh, this murphy douglas fellow gets it. 1103807;1429321787;mircea_popescu;!up Citizenfive 1103808;1429321792;mircea_popescu;hey, you're the twitter chick ? 1103809;1429321937;mircea_popescu;definitely reads like her 1103810;1429321959;mircea_popescu;;;rate Citizenfive 1 actual women actually in tech. 1103811;1429321959;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. 1103812;1429321965;mircea_popescu;heh 1103813;1429321966;mircea_popescu;!rate Citizenfive 1 actual women actually in tech. 1103814;1429321966;assbot;Citizenfive is not registered in WoT. 1103815;1429321975;mircea_popescu;!h 1103816;1429321975;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1103817;1429321981;mircea_popescu;Citizenfive ^ 1103818;1429322012;Citizenfive;For politeness and the convenience of the asseteers, I will register if I stick around. 1103819;1429322022;mircea_popescu;aite. 1103820;1429322026;Citizenfive;Apologies for now. 1103821;1429322040;williamdunne;Citizenfive: Mircea just offered you a rating, and a compliment to go with it. 1103822;1429322054;mircea_popescu;tsk, let ppls go at their own pace. 1103823;1429322062;williamdunne;Citizenfive: Any backstory to the 'twitter' association? 1103824;1429322063;mircea_popescu;digital is too firehose-y as it is. 1103825;1429322081;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I was just pointing out that its quite rare, they can go at their own pace;) 1103826;1429322133;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103648 << actually, nothing specific. intel went "hey, here's one that's not stupid". doesn't happen that often. 1103827;1429322133;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 23:32:14; Citizenfive: Yeah. Seemed to have a specific reason, too. I don't expect I'm a regular conversation topic. 1103828;1429322143;Citizenfive;I will consider it the compliment that it is, in this "country", and am grateful for it. 1103829;1429322158;mircea_popescu;i thought it was a cult 1103830;1429322169;Citizenfive;williamdunne: Association? 1103831;1429322178;williamdunne;I thought it was a sovereign? 1103832;1429322191;mircea_popescu;who isn't these days. 1103833;1429322205;mircea_popescu;heck, portland levies "art taxes" nao. 1103834;1429322217;williamdunne;Citizenfive: "you're the twitter chick ?" - I'm assuming this was addressed at you 1103835;1429322237;Citizenfive;The US is a cult. Most countries are. :) 1103836;1429322281;mircea_popescu;in other news, these guys actually beat the puerto madero dock. incredible walkers. 1103837;1429322291;mircea_popescu;we actually ran out of dock, five miles later. 1103838;1429322305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00031685 = 6.3687 BTC [+] 1103839;1429322322;Citizenfive;Yes. → https://twitter.com/fnxTX is me. Or so I have claimed, earlier in the thread. 1103840;1429322325;assbot;JJ 「ᶜᶦᵗᶦᶻᵉᶯᶠᶦᵛᵉ」 (@fnxTX) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQsTHp ) 1103841;1429322343;Citizenfive;(thread → channel) 1103842;1429322407;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103677 << it's entirely a legalistic gimmick. somehow court manages to convince itself it's too good to just go read the forum, must order someone to copy it down for it. sorta like ottoman turks. 1103843;1429322407;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 00:21:09; trinque: fuck you, entire web 1103844;1429322478;williamdunne;Citizenfive: So how was it that you found #b-a? 1103845;1429322494;mircea_popescu;cuz dpb invited her over i'd bet. 1103846;1429322540;trinque;mircea_popescu: must order someone to copy it down for it << in 3 ring binders with those fancy tab-stickers 1103847;1429322581;Citizenfive;williamdunne: I've known of it and lurked periodically over the years. This marks the second time MP has personally invited me, and it'd be rude to not see why, at the least. 1103848;1429322624;Citizenfive;The question is why the second time; my guess is via this thread → https://twitter.com/AlekseiV/status/586780660553031680 1103849;1429322625;assbot;this is awful http://t.co/R8WBYWGxof 1103850;1429322674;Citizenfive;Which means MP, no longer on Twitter, still watches it (or someone noticed) 1103851;1429322678;Citizenfive;Which is smart 1103852;1429322694;mircea_popescu;Citizenfive oh is it ? which was the 1st ? 1103853;1429322715;Citizenfive;Back when you were still on Twitter, several moons ago 1103854;1429322742;mircea_popescu;fancy that. 1103855;1429322768;williamdunne;Citizenfive: Welcome anyhow 1103856;1429322844;Citizenfive;Grazie 1103857;1429323387;Citizenfive;mircea_popescu: small world. Extremely so, though I guess bell curves and the size of the developed physical world explain most of it. 1103858;1429323401;Citizenfive;six degrees is more like two 1103859;1429323427;mircea_popescu;this is concerning, because it has two possible explanations. one being that my intel sucks, the other being that the us is running out of people. 1103860;1429323435;mircea_popescu;i can specifically measure the former. 1103861;1429323463;mircea_popescu;as oft said here, the situation is so soviet it bleeds. 1103862;1429323501;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: People as if in people worth listening to, or people as if in humans? 1103863;1429323573;mircea_popescu;well neither exactly. people as in people capable to listen to themselves. 1103864;1429323762;mircea_popescu;!up Citizenfive 1103865;1429323830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20590 @ 0.00031554 = 6.497 BTC [-] 1103866;1429324135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58839 @ 0.0003169 = 18.6461 BTC [+] {2} 1103867;1429324207;Citizenfive;I believe there are few good English-speaking minds; those countries do too thorough a job of taking children with potential and delivering batteries (as in, the Matrix sort) into adulthood. There are few Ender Wiggin minds left by the age of 18. 1103868;1429324261;Citizenfive;It's not a grand conspiracy of course; there are no reptilian overlords, but the state of things is curiously perplexing. 1103869;1429324285;mircea_popescu;;;google ender wiggin 1103870;1429324286;gribble;Ender Wiggin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Andrew Wiggin - Orson Scott Card Wiki: ; How Much Is Ender Wiggin Worth? - Forbes: 1103871;1429324299;mircea_popescu;dude just how influential WAs that book. 1103872;1429324305;Citizenfive;Anyway I might as well register a key so you can quit voicing me manually. 1103873;1429324355;Citizenfive;Not influential enough. But then everyone thinks Hunger Games is omg so relevant! 1103874;1429324368;Citizenfive;Authors and sci-fi folks have been screaming this shit for years 1103875;1429324422;williamdunne;Citizenfive: I'm probably one of the younger people here, and from my experience the biggest complaints are that any sort of discourse from rhetoric is largely discouraged, and you are given almost no freedom as to move outside the syllabus. 1103876;1429324434;Citizenfive;Those who notice the re-runs and recycled plots eventually wind up here, and a few other places where such minds go 1103877;1429324459;williamdunne;Citizenfive: IIRC the hunger-games author though more democracy was the answer 1103878;1429324461;mircea_popescu;like ? 1103879;1429324475;Citizenfive;Because the internet lets all minds who question these things find these places, QED (probably) there are fewer minds than we'd like 1103880;1429324477;mircea_popescu;williamdunne well, obviously it is the answer, just, not to any question worth asking. 1103881;1429324516;mircea_popescu;"Over drinks last night, one of the beautiful young ladies in attendance brought up the question of free will with me. " << eh petey... 1103882;1429324520;mircea_popescu;this guy is like forever young. 1103883;1429324599;Citizenfive;DEMOCRACY isn't actually a thing. Not in a meaningful sense. Hence every country is a democracy. A well-architected democratic republic has some neat features, for example. But democracy is kinda like an adjective. 1103884;1429324665;mircea_popescu;eh, democracy is a thing, even if derpy iliterate muricans never bother to learn what the words mean. it's not gonna change what it is just because a bunch of people have nfi. 1103885;1429324669;Citizenfive;It is useful in describing something. Like the word modern. Modern car. Modern house. Modern, by itself, may or may not be useful. Modern art? 1103886;1429324675;mircea_popescu;we could say that the meaning of democracy is fundamentally undemocratic. 1103887;1429324694;williamdunne;Citizenfive: I completely agree; but I will assume they were going with the definition of diluting power to all, something along the lines of direct democracy 1103888;1429324696;mircea_popescu;modern art is quite meaningful, yes. ever read the "what is art" thing ? 1103889;1429324751;Citizenfive;williamdunne: See! DIRECT democracy. Also an actual thing, and a meaningful phrase. "Democracy" in REAL english just means "good" or something. 1103890;1429324769;mircea_popescu;"real" english just means democratic english, which is not english. 1103891;1429324774;Citizenfive;lol 1103892;1429324779;mircea_popescu;english is THE KING'S english. 1103893;1429324809;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in orc speak, everything means the same and is spelled "urgh" 1103894;1429324833;Citizenfive;anyway I don't want to get lost into semantics; I think most here understand whatever system of governance the US has, it manages to masquerade as a democracy, and isn't a good system. Whatever that says about the word is less important to me. 1103895;1429324884;mircea_popescu;well you're right in that it would try and to thew same degree succeed to masquerade as anything else, including a teosophy. 1103896;1429324902;mircea_popescu;any play's equally successful if played out for the goats. 1103897;1429324916;williamdunne;Citizenfive: Any system that provides people with the ability to voice and attempt to enact opinions they are not qualified to have is a bad idea in my books. The crowd has no wisdom, select actors with value behind them do. 1103898;1429324980;mircea_popescu;which value you can only evaluate in a system that's actually open to idiots. 1103899;1429324984;Citizenfive;Right. And so long as people accept that God wrote the Bible because the Bible says so, or a democracy is good because a "democracy" says so, will miss questioning what any of those things ARE. 1103900;1429324998;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ARE. 1103901;1429325028;Citizenfive;literally or as a joke ref to Bill Clinton re: "IS" 1103902;1429325072;mircea_popescu;merely the fact that this question can be asked would seem to pull the rug from under yer feet eh. 1103903;1429325097;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103704 << definitely. 1103904;1429325097;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 01:00:47; trinque: williamdunne: I think the idea is eventually to have a full stack within the WoT 1103905;1429325128;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: My particular complaint is that while we can evaluate who has more value in this particular system, the people with value's opinions have no more weight in process than those without. Hence a large number of welfare whores/elderly having a lot of influence 1103906;1429325156;mircea_popescu;williamdunne anyway, to do some positive work : democracy is the notion that what people think matters. the exact opposite of alf's favourite, "the cold equations" (which'd describe a republic). 1103907;1429325185;mircea_popescu;there's really no alternative : either one or the other. republics fail because not enough spartans, democracies are all one because idiots are all one. cccp was a democracy too. 1103908;1429325190;mircea_popescu;(literally) 1103909;1429325233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59750 @ 0.00031554 = 18.8535 BTC [-] 1103910;1429325235;Citizenfive;What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. And as a word, democracy seems to have too many contradictory definitions to be especially useful as a descriptor. If US = democracy, well, that's not good. If Switzerland = democracy, that's a bit better, though the consensus is that beast is a "DIRECT democracy". 1103911;1429325288;williamdunne;Would lack of governance not be the alternative? (or self-governance if that wording floats your boat). 1103912;1429325292;mircea_popescu;Citizenfive can you distinguish between the "words don't matter" position and (mutatis mutandins), the "BUT it is called the Worldwide Web so there really is NO chance of any site being 100% secure" ? 1103913;1429325332;mircea_popescu;williamdunne suppose you have a five year old kid on your knees and she asks what happens if there's nothing in a box. "well... there'd be air" "no, not even air" 1103914;1429325340;mircea_popescu;"so then a vacuum" "no, not even vacuum" 1103915;1429325344;trinque;Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit 1103916;1429325359;mircea_popescu;nigga... say wut ?! what "lack of governance" wonder be this, of the box so empty it doesn't even contain a vacuum ? 1103917;1429325368;Citizenfive;The trick is how to discuss democracy, then, when everyone has their own idea of what it means. Or any topic. I've found most arguments can be traced to the arguers somewhere having slightly different internal definitions for something. 1103918;1429325375;mircea_popescu;trinque same. 1103919;1429325402;mircea_popescu;Citizenfive the next trick to find is that you can get people quite bothered by carefully using their contributions to words. 1103920;1429325409;mircea_popescu;also known as "the shit between their eyes" 1103921;1429325415;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Well, depends how we want to define governance 1103922;1429325423;mircea_popescu;is it up to us ? 1103923;1429325431;mircea_popescu;yes, governance by us is best governance. agreed. 1103924;1429325433;mircea_popescu;now convince her. 1103925;1429325497;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103712 << why would you wish to be anonymous ? other than "because i've already lost the war". 1103926;1429325497;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 01:05:03; Citizenfive: But use OTR 1103927;1429325506;mircea_popescu;if you've already lost the war, why are you derping with axes and shit. 1103928;1429325596;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I wonder what was said internally at the SEC about your offer to govern the world of BTC assets? 1103929;1429325602;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103751 << by this token, one should not have sex. 1103930;1429325602;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 01:17:25; Citizenfive: Right now, too few users of the WoT know how to use it *properly*, so it's not super important to me at this time. When that changes, I will use it. 1103931;1429325609;mircea_popescu;!up Citizenfive 1103932;1429325636;Citizenfive;Basically, all can be sorted out via Socratic roundtables — everyone looking to, fundamentally, prove themselves WRONG, rather than to prove themselves RIGHT. Eventually the people at the table find and exorcise their internal inconsistencies, and arrive together at Reality. 1103933;1429325661;mircea_popescu;what are you, 19 ? 1103934;1429325684;Citizenfive;Do you believe in an objective reality, or is it subjective? 1103935;1429325687;mircea_popescu;this is a rehash of "socialism will come once people are generous", which was a rehash of "christ will come once people are good". 1103936;1429325700;mircea_popescu;you can't seriously contemplate a system so easy t oattack. i will attack it. 1103937;1429325719;mircea_popescu;just because i do not wish to be part of something this trivial to attack, nor do i see merit in its continued existence. 1103938;1429325735;williamdunne;http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ 1103939;1429325736;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITZ5Jk ) 1103940;1429325747;mircea_popescu;what, again ?! 1103941;1429325754;Citizenfive;That'd be interesting, as I don't believe either of those. 1103942;1429325770;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Related to attacking systems 1103943;1429325788;mircea_popescu;What do you say, Mircea? Are you a narcissist? "Narcissist" means egotistical, self-focused, and vain. 1103944;1429325790;mircea_popescu;holy derp on a stick. 1103945;1429325800;mircea_popescu;word means any of [word,word,word] ring. 1103946;1429325843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00031731 = 10.5982 BTC [+] {2} 1103947;1429325848;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Well?! What do you say 1103948;1429325858;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: This is trial by a jury of your peers in the WoT 1103949;1429325884;mircea_popescu;basically, this is not different from shanonizer (seen commonly in spam) 1103950;1429325895;mircea_popescu;dude i have no idea. 1103951;1429325956;mircea_popescu;i was kinda rooting for simpleminded psychopath, myself. 1103952;1429325975;Citizenfive;I seem to have improperly conveyed the degree of importance I place on this "word" stuff. It's not particularly important; don't worry about it. 1103953;1429326010;mircea_popescu;Citizenfive i was just discussing a snipped from the thing he linked 1103954;1429326108;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Narcissistic still fits most descriptions of psychopathy, so you may still achieve your dreams 1103955;1429326146;mircea_popescu;eh in the sense of "i think i might have been raped" fits most modern descriptions of rape. 1103956;1429326241;williamdunne;True, seems like a lack of care for many could be easily misinterpreted as narcissism 1103957;1429326406;mircea_popescu;anyway, what is it ? 1103958;1429326437;williamdunne;What is? 1103959;1429326477;mircea_popescu;narcisism. didn't you have a question ? 1103960;1429326512;mircea_popescu;anyway, more about this tomorro i guess, it's been a long day. tada. 1103961;1429326516;Citizenfive;Narcissist != someone with DSM's definition of NPD 1103962;1429326529;williamdunne;It was based off of the Qntra comment, although apparently the trial is based upon these characteristics: >> What do you say, Mircea? Are you a narcissist? "Narcissist" means egotistical, self-focused, and vain. 1103963;1429326535;williamdunne;Night 1103964;1429327255;williamdunne;!up Citizenfive 1103965;1429328193;ben_vulpes;whoa a citizenfive 1103966;1429328225;williamdunne;https://twitter.com/fnxTX 1103967;1429328226;assbot;JJ 「ᶜᶦᵗᶦᶻᵉᶯᶠᶦᵛᵉ」 (@fnxTX) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYdmwn ) 1103968;1429328233;ben_vulpes;whoa a citizenfive 1103969;1429328250;williamdunne;Also Citizenfive: Where are you CTO? 1103970;1429328259;ben_vulpes;buenos tardes 1103971;1429328344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40061 @ 0.00031786 = 12.7338 BTC [+] {2} 1103972;1429328388;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103585 << your opsec, your skin 1103973;1429328388;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 20:27:29; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes but what if i wanna advertise my pgp version and its implied affiliations ? also, sorry for skipping your scoop mention in the cavirtex article, it just seemed a little tardy to have mentioned it. 1103974;1429328480;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103567 << best guess is wifi hotspot across street and wacky irc client config. nevertheless... 1103975;1429328480;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 19:08:40; trinque: BingoBoingo: anyone figure out whether ascii was fucking around or if that was an actual impersonator? 1103976;1429328666;ben_vulpes;eyyy pete how's that wedding? 1103977;1429328893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55811 @ 0.0003198 = 17.8484 BTC [+] {2} 1103978;1429328996;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103680 << mopping? 1103979;1429328996;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 00:22:11; williamdunne: trinque: It suits well for most people, as do day-jobs mocking factory-floors 1103980;1429329012;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: That would be the one 1103981;1429329015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21854 @ 0.00032125 = 7.0206 BTC [+] 1103982;1429329087;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103722 << have we not covered this? if one desires 'forward secrecy', just...create an ephemeral key. 1103983;1429329087;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 01:08:08; Citizenfive: https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/otr-wpes.pdf 1103984;1429329090;ben_vulpes;!up Citizenfive 1103985;1429329112;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103652 << oweeeee 1103986;1429329112;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 23:37:04; Citizenfive: I'll reconsider joining your super-secret boy band. Maybe. Depends on MP. 1103987;1429329391;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103821 << pff and who are you again? 1103988;1429329391;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 01:54:00; williamdunne: Citizenfive: Mircea just offered you a rating, and a compliment to go with it. 1103989;1429329446;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103841 << you had it the first time 1103990;1429329446;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 01:59:03; Citizenfive: (thread → channel) 1103991;1429329499;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103868 << you hear that ascii_lander?? 1103992;1429329499;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 02:31:01; Citizenfive: It's not a grand conspiracy of course; there are no reptilian overlords, but the state of things is curiously perplexing. 1103993;1429329535;williamdunne;pff and who are you again? << not clear who addressed at 1103994;1429329589;Citizenfive;I like PFS by default, and OTR makes that happen in a fairly frictionless way. You are of course welcome to use whatever cryptosuites you feel work best for you. 1103995;1429329637;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103969 1103996;1429329637;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 03:37:30; williamdunne: Also Citizenfive: Where are you CTO? 1103997;1429329643;Citizenfive;williamdunne: of a thing called FNXGRU. It's not clearnet. 1103998;1429329673;Citizenfive;If we used titles that's what I'd be, anyway 1103999;1429329728;williamdunne;Citizenfive: So what is it, if you don't mind my asking? 1104000;1429329751;ben_vulpes;Citizenfive: i've barely scratched the surface of gpg, and otr has no lineage in my wot so i describe the tools i'd use were i to think PFS useful for me 1104001;1429329765;ben_vulpes;but i'm bound for the gasenwagen anyways, why bovver i ask 1104002;1429329808;Citizenfive;oh I don't care if it's _the_ "OTR" but that sort of key architecture is desirable 1104003;1429329826;ben_vulpes;well hey po boy's OTR 1104004;1429329840;Citizenfive;For those of us who will be avoiding the gasenwagen 1104005;1429329850;ben_vulpes;or so she hopes 1104006;1429329872;ben_vulpes;what's richlieu's phrase? 1104007;1429329881;ben_vulpes;"any six words" or some such? 1104008;1429329921;ben_vulpes;"give me six words of an innocent man, and i will find something in them with which to hang him" 1104009;1429329935;ben_vulpes;you really think lizard hitler gives a whit about what you actually say? 1104010;1429330024;Citizenfive;Spoken like a true NPC. Oh well. 1104011;1429330032;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_lander 1104012;1429330041;ben_vulpes;Citizenfive: oi! 1104013;1429330045;ascii_lander;danke ben_vulpes 1104014;1429330083;ben_vulpes;Citizenfive: consider me a rube, please, open to enlightenment. how does PFS protect you from false accusations? 1104015;1429330092;ben_vulpes;if anything, this'd be ammo in arguments with ascii_lander 1104016;1429330100;ben_vulpes;which i sorely lack at all times 1104017;1429330171;ben_vulpes; [01:55] heck, portland levies "art taxes" nao. << swear jar 1104018;1429330174;ascii_lander;l0lwut 1104019;1429330184;ascii_lander;pfs? 1104020;1429330196;ben_vulpes;"perfect forward secrecy" i think 1104021;1429330230;Citizenfive;ben_vulpes: It doesn't. It's for chaotic opsec. Compartmentalization. 1104022;1429330242;*;ben_vulpes confirmed for not-researching retard 1104023;1429330259;ben_vulpes;also i've been drinking with the cult so please forgive 1104024;1429330292;mod6;:] 1104025;1429330400;ben_vulpes;NPC << oh god my feels 1104026;1429330427;ben_vulpes;"i need 5 grues swatted" 1104027;1429330430;Citizenfive;iirc there's something useful on the concept in herehttps://grugq.github.io/presentations/COMSEC%20beyond%20encryption.pdf 1104028;1429330436;Citizenfive;https://grugq.github.io/presentations/COMSEC%20beyond%20encryption.pdf 1104029;1429330438;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DRWsVq ) 1104030;1429330599;ben_vulpes;"and that nobody's going to be able to tell him which is right at that level, but he keeps them in his head, hoping that they'll give him different ideas" << story of my NPC-dom in le cultissima 1104031;1429330845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66353 @ 0.00032458 = 21.5369 BTC [+] {2} 1104032;1429330862;ben_vulpes; [01:57] we actually ran out of dock, five miles later. << i whet their appetite for you 1104033;1429330924;ben_vulpes;!up Citizenfive anyways, welcome. don't mind me, i'm just the court clown. 1104034;1429330956;Citizenfive;then I expect you will greatly enjoy the illustrations in that slide deck 1104035;1429331103;*;ben_vulpes retrieves the kilo of chocolates from the hilariously over-stuffed minifridge 1104036;1429331134;ben_vulpes;poor davout 1104037;1429331145;ben_vulpes;mod6 ascii_lander: d'you think he escaped? 1104038;1429331231;mod6;lol, i hope so 1104039;1429331235;ben_vulpes; ... whatever system of governance the US has ... isn't a good system << awh but i love it it's going to burn itself out so much more quickly than other more reasonable alternatives 1104040;1429331293;ben_vulpes;(would have in similar circumstances) 1104041;1429331326;ascii_lander;wawut 1104042;1429331333;*;ascii_lander thick 1104043;1429331360;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: which thread? 1104044;1429331417;ascii_lander;...escaped 1104045;1429331446;ben_vulpes;oh teh phri3nds 1104046;1429331456;mod6;did anyone figure out how to turn the closet light off? 1104047;1429331466;ben_vulpes;mod6: close the door 1104048;1429331497;ben_vulpes;hotel redacto has the most delightful puzzles 1104049;1429331517;ben_vulpes;myst, irl, with phriends 1104050;1429331525;mod6;ok strange but true 1104051;1429331527;mod6;thanks! 1104052;1429331540;ascii_lander;closet light cuts when reed switch closes 1104053;1429331544;ben_vulpes;mod6 is a filthy cheater 1104054;1429331551;mod6;hahaha 1104055;1429331585;mod6;im like waaay to tired to search hard. but i did actually search 3 times. 1104056;1429331601;mod6;i nearly unscrewed the bulb.e 1104057;1429331602;mod6;-e 1104058;1429331605;ben_vulpes;i only figured it out in desperation 1104059;1429331618;mod6;werd. 1104060;1429331619;ben_vulpes;"i guess i'll try to sleep with light leaking out from underneath the OHHHHHHH" 1104061;1429331628;mod6;hey, everything is dead over here. 1104062;1429331642;ben_vulpes;oh hey i never gave you my charger 1104063;1429331653;mod6;if you don't see/hear from me by 11am, plz come to my room and knock on my door, or call my room #? 1104064;1429331668;ben_vulpes;before you crash do you want my converter? 1104065;1429331670;mod6;yeah no worries. i'll get an adapter tomorrow 1104066;1429331677;mod6;naw its cool bro 1104067;1429331688;ben_vulpes;mk sleep tight sweetie 1104068;1429331700;mod6;i'll probably wake up at 9, but cant be sure since i hvaen't slept in like... 36 hours 1104069;1429331709;ben_vulpes;sleep ad libitum 1104070;1429331709;mod6;haha ,ok ni ni 1104071;1429331722;mod6;thanks gentlemen 1104072;1429331722;ben_vulpes; [02:56] mircea_popescu: This is trial by a jury of your peers in the WoT << o.O 1104073;1429331724;*;mod6 is out 1104074;1429331740;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: It was a joke re: a comment on Qntra 1104075;1429331747;Citizenfive;williamdunne: It's not described shortly, really... a handful of generalists, and some unusually useful specialists. 1104076;1429331760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.0003263 = 17.4571 BTC [+] {3} 1104077;1429331776;Citizenfive;making things and meddling with the rest 1104078;1429331873;ben_vulpes;heh just as i was thinking "omg this log" i stumble across me own lines 1104079;1429331889;williamdunne;!up ascii_lander 1104080;1429331899;ascii_lander;danke williamdunne 1104081;1429331997;ben_vulpes;So the moral, if anything, is “run slowly and learn to speak bear” << hyu 1104082;1429332146;Citizenfive;lol 1104083;1429332230;ben_vulpes;As I write this, the prosecution has showed that DPR’s private PGP key was on Ross Ulbricht’s laptop. How’s that strong proof of identity looking now? << funnily, it's more or less common knowledge that they shared the key around 1104084;1429332251;ben_vulpes;i'm too much of a derp to really grok the implication of the statement, though, having failed all of my tradecraft classes. 1104085;1429332481;ben_vulpes; "Open Source" as a measure of quality is bullshit. Many eyes don't see squat. It's orthogonal AT BEST to quality ( probably actually negatively correlated ) << tell a kid about it 1104086;1429332548;ben_vulpes;althought that followed by: 1104087;1429332550;ben_vulpes;Quality: Medium? In C :( Well scrutinised. Protocol well analyzed 1104088;1429332554;ben_vulpes;is p. lulzy 1104089;1429332566;ben_vulpes;(re gpg) 1104090;1429332599;ben_vulpes;tor: Quality: C code. One implementation, but well funded dev and lots of scrutiny. Good. << such kek 1104091;1429332734;ben_vulpes;pgp: * Signed message? More like “cryptographic proof that I wrote this incriminating statement” << myeah 1104092;1429332742;ben_vulpes;!up Citizenfive 1104093;1429332872;ben_vulpes;Windows is currently the most secure mainstream OS. I mean, we can’t stand _using_ it, but that doesn’t change the facts. The kernel is golden, the userland protections 1104094;1429332873;ben_vulpes;are stellar << wuttttttttttttttttttttttttt 1104095;1429332900;ascii_lander;wut 1104096;1429332918;Citizenfive;Well those are among the most widely used and studied things in all of cryptoland. Vs. everything else, i.e. some arbitrary piece of FOSS something. Stuff like Tor is what gives everyone a false sense that everyone is all over everything in FOSSland 1104097;1429332928;ascii_lander;'everyone' ? 1104098;1429332942;Citizenfive;everyone in FOSSland 1104099;1429332973;Citizenfive;Bitcoin is small, but due to financial incentives is highly scrutinized. That's a good way to do it, but no one does 1104100;1429332993;Citizenfive;I'd bet on Bitcoin's security (code-wise) over Tor or anything else, just because of that 1104101;1429333022;Citizenfive;Hence, maybe — holyfuckwhatanidea — financially incentivize Tor scrutinization at the protocol level? O.O 1104102;1429333059;Citizenfive;But not Tor, maybe. Perhaps something new. But Tor-like. 1104103;1429333085;ben_vulpes;i don't get the windows line 1104104;1429333097;ben_vulpes;joke must be way over my teeny leetle brane 1104105;1429333117;Citizenfive;Well it's safer than OS X. How many mainstream OSes are there? 1104106;1429333162;ben_vulpes;from ignorance: how so safer than macbsd? 1104107;1429333215;Citizenfive;https://twitter.com/fnxTX/status/587669371775922176 1104108;1429333217;assbot;Even more evidence that Apple was full of shit."/osxreverser: "Fixing rootpipe in Mavericks to call Apple’s bluff" https://t.co/HK5EWLACap" 1104109;1429333246;*;ascii_lander caught up on mega-log 1104110;1429333285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00032911 = 12.4074 BTC [+] {2} 1104111;1429333323;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: as oft said here, the situation is so soviet it bleeds. << ahahaha guess what. 1104112;1429333385;Citizenfive;as for anything else, on the hardware... again, all depends on the threat model. Pretty sure there are microcode backdoors in everything, so 1104113;1429333410;ben_vulpes;give up, surrender to obab, commit seppuku i suppose 1104114;1429333458;Citizenfive;if the threat model includes USG, at the DPR-severity level (Senators declaring war on you — see Schumer etc a couple years ago), only compartmentation will save you (maybe) 1104115;1429333461;ascii_lander;Citizenfive: this is where one discovers that the machine is not magic. and that resistance is possible. 1104116;1429333500;ascii_lander;Citizenfive: in place of surrender - decide, to go to the bottom of the sea with honour 1104117;1429333531;ben_vulpes;leave babe dirigible keys and train autopilot to recognize her voice 1104118;1429333536;Citizenfive;For most of us here, that means either (1) resign to being an NPC, and stay off the radar that would allow use of *those* sorts of USG assets, or (2) compartment, compartment, compartment 1104119;1429333573;ascii_lander;Citizenfive: there is also the option of learning basic principles of how apparatus is put together 1104120;1429333578;ascii_lander;and implications thereof 1104121;1429333597;ascii_lander;who build the computer you are sitting on? gods? 1104122;1429333610;ascii_lander;can't speak for others, but no gods involved with this junker 1104123;1429333698;Citizenfive;ascii_lander: You aren't rocking an Intel or AMD cpu in your machine? 1104124;1429333699;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: … asks what happens if there's nothing in a box. "well... there'd be air" "no, not even air"…. "so then a vacuum" "no, not even vacuum" << my brother tormented me with this 'what-if' when was a boy 1104125;1429333720;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_lander 1104126;1429333749;ascii_lander;'box with A Piece of Nothing' (TM) 1104127;1429333763;ascii_lander;Citizenfive: -which- machine 1104128;1429333768;ascii_lander;disposable machine - sure 1104129;1429333873;Citizenfive;Well anyway, if you believe you know all the details and have the threat vectors properly mitigated, then you're already compartmenting, so don't worry about any of this 1104130;1429333891;ben_vulpes;"Dear God, please don't use Pond for anything real yet. I've hammered out nearly 20K lines of code that have never been reviewed. Unless you're looking to experiment you should go use something that actually works." 1104131;1429333905;ben_vulpes;aha. 1104132;1429333969;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: ;;google ender wiggin << mega-b00k by o. s. card 1104133;1429334036;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: dude just how influential WAs that book. << to the point that it became among the only 'science fictional' yarns elevated to 'classic' and made mandatory in schools, etc, in usa 1104134;1429334066;*;ascii_lander not aficionado, but read for cultural picture 1104135;1429334117;ascii_lander;who is/was Citizenfive again … ? 1104136;1429334132;ben_vulpes;no key, impossible to say 1104137;1429334165;ascii_lander;what picture organism gave of self ? 1104138;1429334178;ben_vulpes;'cto', some form of shartup 1104139;1429334197;ben_vulpes;heavy opsec focus, but you can derive that from logs 1104140;1429334241;*;ascii_lander caught up with log, unclear on what is referred to here 1104141;1429334257;ben_vulpes;i don't even know what opsec means either 1104142;1429334279;ascii_lander;meatsec. 1104143;1429334289;ben_vulpes;does not have dirigible, desires to preserve meat 1104144;1429334404;Citizenfive;ben_vulpes: nope, no startup, confirmed for did not read logs 1104145;1429334421;ben_vulpes;or perhaps is confident meat is undesireable 1104146;1429334433;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: 'Fareweel, ye dungeons dark and strong, / Fareweel, Fareweel tae thee. / MacPherson's time will nae be lang / On yonder gallows tree. / Sae rantin'ly, sae wantonly / Sae dauntin'ly gaed he / He played a sprig and danced a jig / Below the gallows tree.' (™) (R) 1104147;1429334445;ascii_lander;( http://ingeb.org/songs/fareweel.html << mega-cl4ss1c) 1104148;1429334446;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYpiOA ) 1104149;1429334478;ascii_lander;^ there is a top-octane ru translation of this i was taught as a boy 1104150;1429334571;ben_vulpes;!up Citizenfive 1104151;1429334577;ben_vulpes;no need for such aggro, Citizenfive 1104152;1429334584;ben_vulpes;'shartup' is a term of art 1104153;1429334638;Citizenfive;hang on, I'm gen'ing a keypair so I don't contribute to you fags' carpal tunnel every 30 minutes 1104154;1429334710;ben_vulpes;'tisn't the typing part of computers as what's damaging to me poor meatsack 1104155;1429334727;ascii_lander;http://vk.com/video157026223_169528665 << performed by scotsman in ru, to tune of original 1104156;1429334727;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYpMEo ) 1104157;1429334739;ascii_lander;mega-mindphuck to anyone who knows either variant 1104158;1429334831;ben_vulpes;Citizenfive: whence the logs contention? iirc you said nothing about your occupation in-chan... 1104159;1429334905;Citizenfive;williamdunne was referencing twitter 1104160;1429335059;ascii_lander;btw 'macpherson' was translated by marshak 1104161;1429335067;ascii_lander;who also did modern ru readers' version of shakespeare 1104162;1429335108;ascii_lander;it is pants-creamingly good transl. 1104163;1429335197;ben_vulpes;stahp ascii_lander i cannot spare the time for learning russian 1104164;1429335262;ben_vulpes;!s shartup 1104165;1429335263;assbot;22 results for 'shartup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shartup 1104166;1429335276;Citizenfive;ha 1104167;1429335289;ben_vulpes;has bezzle connotations 1104168;1429335295;ascii_lander;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmqOE-3VQOI << audio ver. 1104169;1429335296;assbot;Крошка Джон - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYqHF4 ) 1104170;1429335306;ben_vulpes;does not necessarily imply vc thinger 1104171;1429335455;ascii_lander;'I've liv'd a life of sturt and strife; / I die by treacherie: / It burns my heart I must depart, / And not avenged be. / There's some come here tae see me hanged / And some to buy my fiddle. / But before I do part wi' her / I'll brak her thro' the middle./ He took the fiddle in both of his hands/ And he broke it o'er a stone./ Says,"There's nae ither hand shall play on thee/ When I am dead and gone."' 1104172;1429335550;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_lander 1104173;1429335647;ben_vulpes;odd data point: gore afficioonados claim orcs are shooting videos with phonecams horizontally oriented 1104174;1429335682;ascii_lander;wut 1104175;1429335699;ben_vulpes;beheadings etc 1104176;1429335719;ascii_lander;so why not horiz. 1104177;1429335750;ben_vulpes;ask orcs, not i 1104178;1429335759;ben_vulpes;i imagine its to capture more of 'action' 1104179;1429335781;ascii_lander;hedzoff.com 1104180;1429335791;ascii_lander;^ fyootoor 1104181;1429335850;ben_vulpes;https://instagram.com/p/1jVqH1GI9s/ << this is much more my style than hedzoff stuff 1104182;1429335851;assbot;noelani g.❤💛💚 on Instagram: “🎥Sharing is caring” ... ( http://bit.ly/1CYrAgP ) 1104183;1429336148;ascii_lander;small petz 1104184;1429336194;ben_vulpes;~70lbs = small? 1104185;1429336243;ascii_lander;aha 1104186;1429336260;ben_vulpes;if you say so 1104187;1429336293;*;ascii_lander likes mega-pets 1104188;1429336415;ben_vulpes;ping someone when your keys are ready, Citizenfive 1104189;1429338592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00031554 = 18.3644 BTC [-] 1104190;1429339385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00031606 = 16.7828 BTC [+] 1104191;1429339498;BingoBoingo;!up Sickboy 1104192;1429340727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89952 @ 0.00031813 = 28.6164 BTC [+] {3} 1104193;1429342496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00032167 = 7.7201 BTC [+] 1104194;1429345790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71350 @ 0.00031544 = 22.5066 BTC [-] {2} 1104195;1429349389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00032154 = 7.4597 BTC [+] {2} 1104196;1429349841;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103979 << hory shit, where is this still done by hand ? they got those machiens don't they. 1104197;1429349841;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 03:49:56; assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 00:22:11; williamdunne: trinque: It suits well for most people, as do day-jobs mocking factory-floors 1104198;1429351217;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103992 women believe in conspiracies less than men. 1104199;1429351217;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 03:58:19; assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 02:31:01; Citizenfive: It's not a grand conspiracy of course; there are no reptilian overlords, but the state of things is curiously perplexing. 1104200;1429351370;mircea_popescu;btw, the "last time" on twitter meanwhile turned up. http://trilema.com/2011/de-ce-se-bate-femeia/#comment-99915 1104201;1429351371;assbot;De ce se bate femeia ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q0EUeP ) 1104202;1429351461;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104000 << there's an otr module for most irc clients. im not entirely sure it does anything useful. 1104203;1429351461;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 04:02:31; ben_vulpes: Citizenfive: i've barely scratched the surface of gpg, and otr has no lineage in my wot so i describe the tools i'd use were i to think PFS useful for me 1104204;1429351611;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104046 << ahahaha conference top kek. 1104205;1429351611;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 04:30:56; mod6: did anyone figure out how to turn the closet light off? 1104206;1429351615;mircea_popescu;tried closing the door yo ? 1104207;1429351890;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104100 << ok, top log kek, that entire thing. i'm generously skipping it cuz hey, chick's 19. 1104208;1429351890;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 04:56:33; Citizenfive: I'd bet on Bitcoin's security (code-wise) over Tor or anything else, just because of that 1104209;1429352176;mats;hue 1104210;1429352348;mircea_popescu;well hopefully she reads teh logs. 1104211;1429352626;mats;great stuff there. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103751 1104212;1429352626;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 01:17:25; Citizenfive: Right now, too few users of the WoT know how to use it *properly*, so it's not super important to me at this time. When that changes, I will use it. 1104213;1429352809;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104132 << no, i happened to read it (because blondy friend insisted it's the greatest thing ever) but i didn't think much of it myself. 1104214;1429352809;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 05:12:49; ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: ;;google ender wiggin << mega-b00k by o. s. card 1104215;1429352844;mircea_popescu;current theory being that this is the absolutely only interaction usians have with elitism, and so they love it for their own starvation, not for its (mostly absent) literary merits 1104216;1429352864;mircea_popescu;much like romanians read supermarket catalogues above anything because OMG THEY HAVE ITEMS IN THEM!!1 1104217;1429352959;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104138 << more like, "some form of tree fort where clever girl and some derpy dudes dream collectively of art and the world". you're from portland, you should know how this works 1104218;1429352959;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 05:16:18; ben_vulpes: 'cto', some form of shartup 1104219;1429352980;mircea_popescu;dun think a half-marketable chick exists west-side that doesn't have her little court all through hs. 1104220;1429353110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42693 @ 0.00032231 = 13.7604 BTC [+] 1104221;1429353171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31907 @ 0.00032421 = 10.3446 BTC [+] 1104222;1429353365;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104146 "There's some who come to see me hanged, yet some to buy my fiddle - but 'fore I do the partin' wi' her, I'll tear her through the middle." 1104223;1429353365;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 05:20:33; ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: 'Fareweel, ye dungeons dark and strong, / Fareweel, Fareweel tae thee. / MacPherson's time will nae be lang / On yonder gallows tree. / Sae rantin'ly, sae wantonly / Sae dauntin'ly gaed he / He played a sprig and danced a jig / Below the gallows tree.' (™) (R) 1104224;1429353629;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104163 << russian learns you. 1104225;1429353629;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 05:33:17; ben_vulpes: stahp ascii_lander i cannot spare the time for learning russian 1104226;1429353656;mircea_popescu;(this is funny because russian sucks enough the speakers'd use "learns" for "teaches"). 1104227;1429355800;davout;ola asseteristas 1104228;1429355833;davout;mod6: but, what was your first thought when not seeing a light switch in the closet? 1104229;1429355984;mircea_popescu;"hey! john! did you hook up the bathroom light to the door ?" 1104230;1429355987;mircea_popescu;"no sir" 1104231;1429355994;mircea_popescu;"god damned it i pissed in the fridge again" 1104232;1429356198;davout;"doctor, my wife takes herself for a fridge, it's very problematic!" 1104233;1429356208;davout;"howso?" 1104234;1429356238;davout;"the light keeps me awake when she sleeps with her mouth open" 1104235;1429356273;mircea_popescu;wai, wut ?! 1104236;1429356280;mircea_popescu;this camembert be too aged for me. 1104237;1429356757;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market ButtChina 1104238;1429356759;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.203542, Best ask: 221.243892, Bid-ask spread: 0.04035, Last trade: 221.243892, 24 hour volume: 158154.71850000, 24 hour low: 220.583766, 24 hour high: 224.720448, 24 hour vwap: 222.971805945 1104239;1429356920;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttfinex 1104240;1429356921;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.06, Best ask: 221.07, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 221.07, 24 hour volume: 18446.48956489, 24 hour low: 219.91, 24 hour high: 224.16, 24 hour vwap: None 1104241;1429356958;mircea_popescu;ahaha so much win 1104242;1429357108;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9c944b63fd1bca17472cace9fe02db20/tumblr_nagezj0nJh1sydo5do1_1280.jpg 1104243;1429357109;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GXdrbm ) 1104244;1429357258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28421 @ 0.0003174 = 9.0208 BTC [-] 1104245;1429357319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41279 @ 0.00031509 = 13.0066 BTC [-] 1104246;1429357576;BingoBoingo;Is that what I'm missing on the day 2 tour? 1104247;1429357665;mircea_popescu;lol naw. tho stan doth have a way with the gypsy girls. 1104248;1429358632;mircea_popescu;wait wut ?! 1104249;1429358637;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust yang 1104250;1429358637;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask yang!yang@freenode/sponsor/fsf.member.yang. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user yang: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=yang | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=yang | Rated since: Sat Dec 11 07:28:54 2010 1104251;1429358726;yang;I browsed to the website of bitcoin-assets, but there is no explanation what an asset is, can someone clarify it for me ? 1104252;1429358744;yang;and what is assbot pasting like [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41279 @ 0.00031509 = 13.0066 BTC [-] 1104253;1429358774;fluffypony;yang: it's a chat room, initially the purpose was to discuss Bitcoin-based assets (eg. stocks and securities) 1104254;1429358780;fluffypony;it's evolved a bit from then 1104255;1429358802;fluffypony;yang: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/what-i-enjoy-about-bitcoin-assets/ 1104256;1429358804;assbot;What I enjoy about #bitcoin-assets ... ( http://bit.ly/1GXhsg1 ) 1104257;1429358807;yang;ok 1104258;1429358809;yang;thanks 1104259;1429358839;yang;maybe a short intro/description wouldn't hurt on the website... 1104260;1429358905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59450 @ 0.00031799 = 18.9045 BTC [+] 1104261;1429358905;mircea_popescu;yang an "asset" is something someone owns. 1104262;1429358988;mircea_popescu; maybe a short intro/description wouldn't hurt on the website... < notrly open to the general public. 1104263;1429359820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25793 @ 0.00032421 = 8.3623 BTC [+] 1104264;1429359881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166907 @ 0.00032829 = 54.7939 BTC [+] {3} 1104265;1429360118;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0EX69RS check out that virulent shit. 1104266;1429360119;assbot;dpaste: 0EX69RS ... ( http://bit.ly/1GXmp8p ) 1104267;1429360159;mircea_popescu;i guess if anyone's looking for malware hosting, ask whoever owns 43.255.190 * 1104268;1429360174;BingoBoingo;persistent little buggers 1104269;1429360297;BingoBoingo;Stuff working http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/04/17/stopped_for_efficacy_again.php 1104270;1429360298;assbot;Stopped For Efficacy - Again. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DuDxhQ ) 1104271;1429360468;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what's the idea there, test works so well they just can't keep feeding the control group sugar pills, move everyone on drug ? 1104272;1429360500;BingoBoingo;Well antibodies so s/sugarpill/saline but yeah 1104273;1429360572;BingoBoingo;Basically a type of lung cancer... pretty well beaten and whay has computer science done this decade? 1104274;1429360787;BingoBoingo;The general direction this particular kind of thing being this efficacious suggests... Oncology could get very interesting. 1104275;1429360949;mircea_popescu;im curious what the eventual side-effect will be. 1104276;1429361000;BingoBoingo;Probably various immune system nastiness and hypowalletemia 1104277;1429361134;BingoBoingo;But it is hard to say when hacking so much bio-weird 1104278;1429361420;mircea_popescu;mywah 1104279;1429361491;yang;ok mircea_popescu 1104280;1429361524;BingoBoingo;The way a drug like this get priced is $maxint 1104281;1429361584;BingoBoingo;And since its injectable at first there's costs associated with the clinic, and any other drugs it gets cocktailed up with... 1104282;1429361585;mircea_popescu;obama can care about that. 1104283;1429361595;BingoBoingo;Sure. 1104284;1429361656;BingoBoingo;This is the sort of drug that if it is effective could make Obolacare very expensive-er. 1104285;1429361716;mircea_popescu;myeah. the obamakiller. 1104286;1429361985;BingoBoingo;Of course how well it works over time still needs to be seen. 1104287;1429362199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92215 @ 0.00032148 = 29.6453 BTC [-] 1104288;1429365054;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_lander 1104289;1429365163;mircea_popescu;php 5.4 decides to combine E_ALL and E_STRICT. because why the fuck not. next thing you know, half terrabyte of logs expounding on FUCKTARDED php 5.4 "warnings" 1104290;1429365287;mircea_popescu;and sincer we're on it, you don't want "E_ALL ^E_STRICT" as logic would seem to indicate, you want "E_ALL & ~E_STRICT" 1104291;1429366660;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104222 << l0l, quoted below. we can tell mircea_popescu is an LL-parser 1104292;1429366660;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 10:36:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104146 "There's some who come to see me hanged, yet some to buy my fiddle - but 'fore I do the partin' wi' her, I'll tear her through the middle." 1104293;1429366683;mircea_popescu;quoted from memory! 1104294;1429366722;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: i can quote the entire thing likewise, but minus the peculiar orthographic scottishisms 1104295;1429366733;mircea_popescu;eh who care\s about that. 1104296;1429366757;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104215 << this is absolutely the complete theory. the thing was garbage, but the only extant illustration of the concept permitted in usaschwitz (possibly for that reason) 1104297;1429366757;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 10:27:24; mircea_popescu: current theory being that this is the absolutely only interaction usians have with elitism, and so they love it for their own starvation, not for its (mostly absent) literary merits 1104298;1429366780;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104219 << sop. and what was the reason to think that this was confined to west coast 1104299;1429366780;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 10:29:40; mircea_popescu: dun think a half-marketable chick exists west-side that doesn't have her little court all through hs. 1104300;1429366803;mircea_popescu;west side of globe 1104301;1429366813;mircea_popescu;alf is a recursive-recursive parser :D 1104302;1429367391;davout;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-iii/ <<< link to II in fact links to I 1104303;1429367392;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqsQzV ) 1104304;1429367424;mircea_popescu;ah t 1104305;1429367445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66650 @ 0.0003292 = 21.9412 BTC [+] 1104306;1429367486;davout;mircea_popescu: also this whole thing is written in rails 1104307;1429367564;mircea_popescu;heh 1104308;1429367710;davout;they're looking for a remote senior rails dev 1104309;1429367796;mircea_popescu;from what i hear this thing exists in the terms that the derp "in charge" hired some indians off fiverr to make him a fb clone, paid fiddy bucks 1104310;1429367809;mircea_popescu;and has been going around ever since prtetendinglike it's "a company" and "tech" 1104311;1429367828;mircea_popescu;zero op ability, as shown for instance by the fact that... the list you see is freshly scrapped. 1104312;1429368175;davout;so you just basically crawled URLs to enumerate users? they're using the default URL scheme, pretty retarded 1104313;1429368217;davout;for (x in 0 to $maxint) { parse '/user/x' } <<< that how you did it? 1104314;1429368282;davout;!up ascii_lander 1104315;1429368297;ascii_lander;gracias sr davout 1104316;1429368324;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104267 << mno. pwned box, spoodging out spores 1104317;1429368324;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 12:29:19; mircea_popescu: i guess if anyone's looking for malware hosting, ask whoever owns 43.255.190 * 1104318;1429368386;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104284 << aand mno. familiar with Laboratorios Syntex ? 1104319;1429368386;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 12:54:16; BingoBoingo: This is the sort of drug that if it is effective could make Obolacare very expensive-er. 1104320;1429368428;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: if it works, for some value of works - i'll get nationalized; the firm will go bust, naturally; and it will be declared 'bad luck.' 1104321;1429368437;davout;ascii_lander: come, we have wifi 1104322;1429368440;ascii_lander;*it'll get 1104323;1429368448;ascii_lander;davout: coming 1104324;1429368453;*;ascii_lander goes to elevator 1104325;1429371654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.00032099 = 13.289 BTC [-] {2} 1104326;1429374230;Pierre_Rochard;!up bagels7 1104327;1429374253;bagels7;!s quebec 1104328;1429374254;assbot;36 results for 'quebec' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=quebec 1104329;1429374277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00032938 = 16.222 BTC [+] {2} 1104330;1429375375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00033069 = 20.4697 BTC [+] {3} 1104331;1429377510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00033168 = 14.3286 BTC [+] 1104332;1429380068;danielpbarron;!up WolfGoethe 1104333;1429380072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00032861 = 5.8493 BTC [-] 1104334;1429383788;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103882 << heh. just trying to balance the grey hairs! 1104335;1429383788;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 02:35:20; mircea_popescu: this guy is like forever young. 1104336;1429383900;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes the wedding kicks off this eve... will report back tomorrow. how's the irl cult ? 1104337;1429383900;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1104338;1429384769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78200 @ 0.00032458 = 25.3822 BTC [-] {2} 1104339;1429386172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25863 @ 0.00033028 = 8.542 BTC [+] 1104340;1429389649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00033096 = 14.7608 BTC [+] {3} 1104341;1429390503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21346 @ 0.00032344 = 6.9042 BTC [-] {2} 1104342;1429390564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50085 @ 0.00032034 = 16.0442 BTC [-] 1104343;1429390869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66442 @ 0.00033231 = 22.0793 BTC [+] {2} 1104344;1429390930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68405 @ 0.00033346 = 22.8103 BTC [+] {2} 1104345;1429393977;cazalla;http://dpaste.com/1GQD33J.txt lol gocoin was going to pump paycoin 1104346;1429393978;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZSmqg ) 1104347;1429393980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00033347 = 3.2013 BTC [+] 1104348;1429395383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.0003188 = 16.2429 BTC [-] 1104349;1429398494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.0003188 = 10.7914 BTC [-] 1104350;1429398823;cazalla;seems garza kept track of "trolls" lol https://docs.google.com/a/geniusesatwork.com/spreadsheets/d/1yZYwrhbeHRqhrA7O_8p1HaqX0ual33vOX5RiigmdDmE/edit?pli=1#gid=0 1104351;1429398825;assbot;Reddit - Google Spreadsheets ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jh1GtQ ) 1104352;1429398955;cazalla;;;later tell bingoboingo check this out http://dpaste.com/1N6B7HG.txt 1104353;1429398956;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EePrju ) 1104354;1429398956;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1104355;1429399000;cazalla;juicy bit "By way of introduction, we are acting as legal advisors to Bitcoinist.net Ltd. and Mt Tokay in relation to their negotiations with GAW Miners regarding the planned asset purchase." 1104356;1429400272;cazalla;http://dpaste.com/2CN80P3.txt who knows if it ever went through though 1104357;1429400273;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jh4k2A ) 1104358;1429401544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44302 @ 0.00032181 = 14.2568 BTC [+] 1104359;1429402032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84000 @ 0.00031975 = 26.859 BTC [-] {2} 1104360;1429402093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00031584 = 13.0442 BTC [-] {2} 1104361;1429402977;cazalla;looks like gaw didn't like qntra much either http://dpaste.com/2NHJKBA.txt 1104362;1429402978;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aGPHdc ) 1104363;1429403719;cazalla;http://dpaste.com/1SBQRP5.txt 1104364;1429403720;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aGQVVS ) 1104365;1429405204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87750 @ 0.00032896 = 28.8662 BTC [+] {2} 1104366;1429407156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106739 @ 0.00032047 = 34.2066 BTC [-] {2} 1104367;1429407522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110837 @ 0.00031805 = 35.2517 BTC [-] 1104368;1429409535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82230 @ 0.00032495 = 26.7206 BTC [+] 1104369;1429410084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00033049 = 7.0394 BTC [+] 1104370;1429410328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59250 @ 0.0003368 = 19.9554 BTC [+] 1104371;1429411182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8770 @ 0.00033049 = 2.8984 BTC [-] 1104372;1429412158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50680 @ 0.00033614 = 17.0356 BTC [+] 1104373;1429414049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32983 @ 0.0003371 = 11.1186 BTC [+] {2} 1104374;1429414232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104792 @ 0.0003262 = 34.1832 BTC [-] {2} 1104375;1429414781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9708 @ 0.00032041 = 3.1105 BTC [-] 1104376;1429417038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129800 @ 0.00032889 = 42.6899 BTC [+] 1104377;1429420393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71550 @ 0.00032813 = 23.4777 BTC [-] 1104378;1429421003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59350 @ 0.00031857 = 18.9071 BTC [-] {2} 1104379;1429422650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86300 @ 0.00033392 = 28.8173 BTC [+] {2} 1104380;1429423260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83350 @ 0.00031805 = 26.5095 BTC [-] 1104381;1429425029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00032059 = 13.0801 BTC [+] 1104382;1429425456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48450 @ 0.00033681 = 16.3184 BTC [+] 1104383;1429428750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00032822 = 15.2951 BTC [-] {2} 1104384;1429428933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90500 @ 0.0003302 = 29.8831 BTC [+] 1104385;1429429431;cazalla;http://blog.wizsec.jp/2015/04/the-missing-mtgox-bitcoins.html 1104386;1429429432;assbot;WizSec: The missing MtGox bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH2KqK ) 1104387;1429429529;ben_vulpes;buenos noooooooches 1104388;1429429574;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski what happens in hotel redacto stays in hotel redacto 1104389;1429429575;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1104390;1429429585;ben_vulpes;AND NOW FOR LOG 1104391;1429429665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00032904 = 10.8254 BTC [-] {2} 1104392;1429429687;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104252 << how is this not obvious from inspection 1104393;1429429687;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 12:05:44; yang: and what is assbot pasting like [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41279 @ 0.00031509 = 13.0066 BTC [-] 1104394;1429429712;ben_vulpes;after of course six months of actually reading the logs instead of diving in and you know what nevermind 1104395;1429430097;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104308 << plan obviously is to take the job for $MININT (what derps can pay), perform $MINWORK (what davouts slavejob affords him in terms of spare time [idly, i wonder how he's going to do anything what with the FOXTROT LIMA YANKEE BRAVO OSCAR YANKEE hobby]) something something something qmark x 3 subsequently lulz i hope 1104396;1429430097;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 14:35:10; davout: they're looking for a remote senior rails dev 1104397;1429430308;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/1N6B7HG.txt << i'm sorry, all of the "plz foar not to forward because i might conceivably send this to the wrong person" email sigs 1104398;1429430309;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH40dp ) 1104399;1429430317;ben_vulpes;which btw dumbest shit ever 1104400;1429430332;ben_vulpes;sorry boss you transmitted something in cleartext 1104401;1429430362;ben_vulpes;there's a really simple solution here 1104402;1429430398;ben_vulpes;sign things selectively and then when it leaks say "mnope doth not bear my signature, get lost" 1104403;1429430452;ben_vulpes;ascii_whatever_it_is_today would no doubt call this "exercise for student" but i cannot in good conscience call these people students of anything computer related 1104404;1429430501;ben_vulpes;more like derpy explorers in andre norton books who discover magic tech off planet and bring it home for misuse with hilarious end result 1104405;1429430517;ben_vulpes;typically intended to be tragic but rereadings always turn out hilarious 1104406;1429430551;ben_vulpes;"magic ships run on magic computers we don't understand how they work but 1/10 chance of gr8 r1ch3s!" 1104407;1429430554;ben_vulpes;... 1104408;1429430585;ben_vulpes;upon consideration too similar to personal hustle for comfort 1104409;1429430619;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski wai wut wedding kicks off SUNDAY EVENING? 1104410;1429430620;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1104411;1429430635;ben_vulpes;or morning or whatever the fuck it is in twodoglandia? 1104412;1429430869;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/2NHJKBA.txt << btc.com geniusesatwork.com << sure if you say so 1104413;1429430870;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH4Wia ) 1104414;1429430885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.0003285 = 15.226 BTC [-] 1104415;1429430893;ben_vulpes;man i can't even on scams anymoar 1104416;1429430923;ben_vulpes;WHAT LOG 1104417;1429430960;ben_vulpes;http://www.rocketlabusa.com/index.html << apropos of nothing, what the shit am i looking at 1104418;1429430961;assbot;Electron • Rocket Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH529j ) 1104419;1429430978;ben_vulpes;lox/rp1 newtonian fluid mixture? 1104420;1429430994;ben_vulpes;claims of stability under shock? 1104421;1429431008;ben_vulpes;really great densities etc? 1104422;1429431114;ben_vulpes;man i am a) not sober enough for this shit that appears to be really dumb without supporting evidence and b) what the shit 1104423;1429431117;ben_vulpes;CARBON COMPOSITE 1104424;1429431125;ben_vulpes;dude this is not how you rocker 1104425;1429431127;ben_vulpes;rocket* 1104426;1429431144;ben_vulpes;wait hang on 1104427;1429431158;ben_vulpes;"Rocket Lab’s extensive research and development programme has enabled liquid oxygen compatible composite tanks" 1104428;1429431210;ben_vulpes;aside from this not being a thing historically, how does "no mixing in combustion chamber" work with "lol checkout our sweet CF LOX tanks bru" 1104429;1429431263;ben_vulpes;"THE NUMBERS" << stfu there are two numbers of interest 1104430;1429431264;ben_vulpes;iSP 1104431;1429431268;ben_vulpes;mass fraction 1104432;1429431362;ben_vulpes;until someone from rocket lab usa shows up here, keys up here, and answers grilling asynchronously i claim this no more impressive than a bitcointalk forum scam. hashtag electron rocket lab usa 1104433;1429431388;ben_vulpes;side note: your darpa shit is a *liability*. 1104434;1429431432;ben_vulpes;first principles or gtfo 1104435;1429431434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.0003285 = 5.7159 BTC [-] 1104436;1429431448;ben_vulpes;anyways, /ben_cash off to bed 1104437;1429431466;ben_vulpes;or sleep ad libitum, i should say 1104438;1429432349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74900 @ 0.00032217 = 24.1305 BTC [-] 1104439;1429432410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59750 @ 0.0003271 = 19.5442 BTC [+] 1104440;1429433752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60252 @ 0.00033089 = 19.9368 BTC [+] {2} 1104441;1429434850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00033442 = 17.1557 BTC [+] {2} 1104442;1429434911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8719 @ 0.00033576 = 2.9275 BTC [+] {2} 1104443;1429434972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50081 @ 0.00033766 = 16.9104 BTC [+] {2} 1104444;1429436497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00033241 = 8.9418 BTC [-] 1104445;1429437778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59300 @ 0.0003201 = 18.9819 BTC [-] 1104446;1429440279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78100 @ 0.00033112 = 25.8605 BTC [+] {2} 1104447;1429442109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35267 @ 0.00032438 = 11.4399 BTC [-] {2} 1104448;1429442733;cazalla;http://dpaste.com/1E7PNZW.txt http://dpaste.com/3SN7HCS.txt 1104449;1429442733;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7dZIN ) 1104450;1429442734;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7dZZ9 ) 1104451;1429447111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00033419 = 12.6157 BTC [+] {2} 1104452;1429447992;*;davout is going for breakfast, /cc mod6 ben_vulpes ascii_lander 1104453;1429448026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93300 @ 0.00033775 = 31.5121 BTC [+] {2} 1104454;1429449307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00033457 = 21.9478 BTC [-] {3} 1104455;1429450344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41558 @ 0.00032824 = 13.641 BTC [-] 1104456;1429450711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00033827 = 14.275 BTC [+] 1104457;1429451143;mod6;Buneos dias, #b-a :] 1104458;1429451293;mod6;im chillin in the lobby if anyone in-country is up yet. 1104459;1429451328;mod6;ah davout already bounced out... 1104460;1429451345;davout;mod6: i'll be down in a minute 1104461;1429451361;mod6;OH, lol. thought you'd already left. 1104462;1429451365;mod6;my mistake 1104463;1429451380;mod6;no rush. 1104464;1429451572;mod6;!t m s.mpoe 1104465;1429451572;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00031574 / 0.0003277 / 0.00033827 (3117614 shares, 1,021.65 BTC), 7D: 0.00027671 / 0.00030059 / 0.00033827 (19141595 shares, 5,753.82 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00026989 / 0.00033827 (107251878 shares, 28,946.72 BTC) 1104466;1429451607;mod6;i finally have everything all charged up :] 1104467;1429451625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13768 @ 0.00032824 = 4.5192 BTC [-] 1104468;1429451969;mod6;this new wot thing is really cool 1104469;1429452174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96500 @ 0.00033082 = 31.9241 BTC [+] {2} 1104470;1429453680;mod6;!up ascii_lander 1104471;1429453696;ascii_lander;mod6 is awake! 1104472;1429453700;ascii_lander;who else? 1104473;1429453707;mod6;davout too :] 1104474;1429453712;mod6;i got up way too early. 1104475;1429453772;*;ascii_lander will appear shortly, just woke and must wash up 1104476;1429453788;mod6;np, we'll be in the lobby. 1104477;1429453908;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: 'rocketlab' << low orbit lulz 1104478;1429454231;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: http://www.rocketlabusa.com/about-us/electronic-systems/avionics/ << radhard fpga is available, for its weight in diamonds, but does anyone actually fly with d-sub connectors? they aren't rated for vibration... 1104479;1429454232;assbot; » Avionics ... ( http://bit.ly/1cLuGzD ) 1104480;1429454268;ascii_lander;this is why you tend to see those traditional circular 'bed of nails' plugs 1104481;1429454315;ascii_lander;e.g., http://www.electronics-sourcing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ITT-38999-connector.jpg 1104482;1429454316;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cLvbK7 ) 1104483;1429455224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96079 @ 0.00033816 = 32.4901 BTC [+] 1104484;1429456025;chetty;actung panzers! mp coming to redacto hotel, 2pm. 1104485;1429456164;chetty;ascii_lander, mod6 ^ 1104486;1429457603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42125 @ 0.00033816 = 14.245 BTC [+] 1104487;1429457725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72200 @ 0.00033824 = 24.4209 BTC [+] {2} 1104488;1429458050;davout;cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/rKg0J0M.jpg <<< garza's wife again <<< lol rly? 1104489;1429458051;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dp3agZ ) 1104490;1429458443;mod6;chetty: ok thanks for the heads-up :] 1104491;1429458540;mod6;ascii, davout and I are going to walk around and get a cup of coffee. will be back to redacted hotel lobby by 2pm for sure. 1104492;1429459189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00033122 = 6.5582 BTC [-] 1104493;1429459234;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2015#1104478 << more lulz: "The avionics system in the original Space Shuttle weighed approximately 10,000 lbs (4,500kg) excluding cabling. Electron’s avionics system weighs just 19lbs (8.6kg)." << 'lighter than a model t!' 1104494;1429459234;assbot;Logged on 19-04-2015 14:37:11; ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: http://www.rocketlabusa.com/about-us/electronic-systems/avionics/ << radhard fpga is available, for its weight in diamonds, but does anyone actually fly with d-sub connectors? they aren't rated for vibration... 1104495;1429460778;funkenstein_;meanwhile the people who actually know how to do it are quietly putting a bird in the sky every two weeks 1104496;1429460792;funkenstein_;from bainokur 1104497;1429460839;funkenstein_;not that i wouldn't encourage new players 1104498;1429461446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00033098 = 12.9248 BTC [-] 1104499;1429462605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53350 @ 0.0003311 = 17.6642 BTC [+] {2} 1104500;1429463019;mod6;hey guys, mp, hanbot and chetty are here with ascii & davout and me in the lobby 1104501;1429463083;mod6;I think that the idea is to get some icecream 1104502;1429463337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7024 @ 0.00032242 = 2.2647 BTC [-] {2} 1104503;1429464240;mthreat;mod6: y'all heading to the restaurant at 3pm? i'm heading out there now. 1104504;1429465045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8366 @ 0.00031875 = 2.6667 BTC [-] 1104505;1429465168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99300 @ 0.00031767 = 31.5446 BTC [-] {3} 1104506;1429465594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69900 @ 0.00031728 = 22.1779 BTC [-] 1104507;1429465929;mod6;mthreat: Currently, we're about to head out to an ice-cream shop -- we'll be walking there. If you hvae hanbot's number, give her a ring. :] 1104508;1429466139;mod6;I'll try to checkin at the ice-cream shop if they have wifi incase you can't get ahold of hanbot. 1104509;1429469841;danielpbarron;!up saulimus 1104510;1429469901;danielpbarron;https://bitcoinprreadinggroup.github.io/ 1104511;1429469902;assbot;Bitcoinprreadinggroup.GitHub.io by BitcoinPRReadingGroup ... ( http://bit.ly/1D30Xao ) 1104512;1429469912;danielpbarron;The idea: We want to participate in pull request review, but we don't really understand the codebase well enough. 1104513;1429470198;danielpbarron;"we need eyes! thousands of eyes! any eyes will do!" 1104514;1429471877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103960 @ 0.0003192 = 33.184 BTC [+] {2} 1104515;1429471879;jurov;!mpif 1104516;1429471880;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-] 1104517;1429472426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47890 @ 0.00032246 = 15.4426 BTC [+] 1104518;1429473219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00031858 = 28.7041 BTC [-] {2} 1104519;1429474000;danielpbarron;!up sickboy 1104520;1429474744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31603 @ 0.00031766 = 10.039 BTC [-] 1104521;1429477245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32405 @ 0.00031721 = 10.2792 BTC [-] {2} 1104522;1429477977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53894 @ 0.00031706 = 17.0876 BTC [-] 1104523;1429478404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00031766 = 10.3557 BTC [+] 1104524;1429479319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188050 @ 0.0003191 = 60.0068 BTC [+] {3} 1104525;1429480173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00031592 = 13.237 BTC [-] {2} 1104526;1429480478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25627 @ 0.00031592 = 8.0961 BTC [-] 1104527;1429480539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82887 @ 0.00031507 = 26.1152 BTC [-] {3} 1104528;1429481576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46250 @ 0.00031354 = 14.5012 BTC [-] 1104529;1429482308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00031354 = 7.6817 BTC [-] 1104530;1429482369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00031251 = 5.3283 BTC [-] 1104531;1429484138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58997 @ 0.00032246 = 19.0242 BTC [+] 1104532;1429485724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00031416 = 3.9584 BTC [-] 1104533;1429486090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00032478 = 18.3176 BTC [+] {2} 1104534;1429487920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 515 @ 0.002155 = 1.1098 BTC [+] 1104535;1429489811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00031969 = 17.503 BTC [-] 1104536;1429493596;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/moonshine/ 1104537;1429493597;assbot;Moonshine ... ( http://bit.ly/1F4qG8t ) 1104538;1429494874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00031897 = 10.5579 BTC [-] 1104539;1429500181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00032289 = 7.4265 BTC [+] 1104540;1429503232;decimation;ascii_orc: http://www.peigenesis.com/en/connectors/by-series-type/micro-connectors/173:itt-cannon-micro-miniature.html < d-subminiature connectors which are vibration rated are available; apparently used in avionics & space stuff 1104541;1429503235;assbot;ITT Cannon MDM Series MIL-DTL-83513 Micro-D Connectors ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ7V9g ) 1104542;1429506769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00032289 = 19.1151 BTC [+] 1104543;1429506887;mircea_popescu;omfg three days of basically nonstop partying. how do the kids do it! 1104544;1429507906;mircea_popescu;we find from a commenter : TheyFit have developed 95 different sizes of custom fit condom [and] hope to revolutionise the industry. 1104545;1429507914;mircea_popescu;fancy that, bespoke condoms are a thinh 1104546;1429508151;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2010/bai-mi-e-lene/ << you should prolly translate that sometime. to russian. 1104547;1429508153;assbot;Bai, mi-e lene on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D4v0yz ) 1104548;1429509087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99117 @ 0.00032517 = 32.2299 BTC [+] {2} 1104549;1429509950;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Yandex drop under Google before 2016" http://bitbet.us/bet/1134/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.96541684 BTC. Current weight: 95,812. 1104550;1429510507;hanbot;attn davout: meatmarket is at Carlos Calvo 430 (intersection with Defensa), "Mercado de San Telmo" 1104551;1429511080;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "Yandex drop under Google before 2016" http://bitbet.us/bet/1134/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.46541684 BTC. Current weight: 95,806. 1104552;1429511884;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mthreat sorry to've missed you, boss! 1104553;1429511884;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1104554;1429511922;ben_vulpes; [05:13] omfg three days of basically nonstop partying. how do the kids do it! << lol he calls this partying 1104555;1429511956;ben_vulpes; [05:30] fancy that, bespoke condoms are thin << ftfy 1104556;1429511971;ben_vulpes;sweet sweet lightlogs 1104557;1429512503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76143 @ 0.0003259 = 24.815 BTC [+] {2} 1104558;1429512564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3661 @ 0.00032709 = 1.1975 BTC [+] {2} 1104559;1429517566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59500 @ 0.0003295 = 19.6053 BTC [+] 1104560;1429518054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168448 @ 0.00032289 = 54.3902 BTC [-] 1104561;1429519945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92617 @ 0.00032966 = 30.5321 BTC [+] {3} 1104562;1429524520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65683 @ 0.00032793 = 21.5394 BTC [-] {4} 1104563;1429525679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14412 @ 0.0003249 = 4.6825 BTC [-] 1104564;1429526167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00033122 = 6.0944 BTC [+] 1104565;1429529318;BingoBoingo;http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=hire_women 1104566;1429529319;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6dDUc ) 1104567;1429529400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44338 @ 0.0003249 = 14.4054 BTC [-] 1104568;1429532939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 800 @ 0.00215872 = 1.727 BTC [-] 1104569;1429533000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 810 @ 0.002155 = 1.7456 BTC [+] 1104570;1429534280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00032289 = 3.2128 BTC [-] 1104571;1429536782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57980 @ 0.00031717 = 18.3895 BTC [-] 1104572;1429536945;jurov;http://wundergroundmusic.com/wedding-ruined-after-groom-accidentally-serves-guests-ketamine-instead-of-powdered-alcohol/ 1104573;1429536946;assbot; » Wedding Ruined After Groom Accidentally Serves Guests Ketamine Instead Of Powdered Alcohol ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtbbS9 ) 1104574;1429537309;chetty;Powdered Alcohol ...ketamin sounds a better choice actually 1104575;1429537926;adlai;well, uh, some of my guests are pretty big guys 1104576;1429538246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 9 @ 0.139 = 1.251 BTC [+] 1104577;1429538409;BingoBoingo;Sounds like the world's happiest wedding 1104578;1429538512;jurov;with zombies! 1104579;1429538669;davout;mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform, in case you're interested, imma head out to the meat market 1104580;1429538671;jurov;lol "that tastes weird" "ofc, that cheapskate" *gulp* *gulp* 1104581;1429541008;mircea_popescu;hey all 1104582;1429541056;mircea_popescu;!up kobud 1104583;1429541088;mircea_popescu;and nao... to the logs! 1104584;1429541684;mircea_popescu;the lulz from the past : http://trilema.com/2010/barometru-de-criza-doar-20-dintre-romani-ar-refuza-sa-se-dezbrace-la-interviul-de-angajare/ 1104585;1429541685;assbot;Barometru de criza : Doar 20% dintre romani ar refuza sa se dezbrace la interviul de angajare! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yL4zmt ) 1104586;1429541696;mircea_popescu;"if you had to strip for your hiring interview, would you ?" 1104587;1429542046;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104316 << dude owned box that owns a whole C class ? how. 1104588;1429542046;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 14:45:24; ascii_lander: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104267 << mno. pwned box, spoodging out spores 1104589;1429542161;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104345 << lol the stupid shit. we've progressed to "fastest growing" i see ? 1104590;1429542161;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 21:52:57; cazalla: http://dpaste.com/1GQD33J.txt lol gocoin was going to pump paycoin 1104591;1429542263;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2015#1104361 << pretty lulzy. it would seem that until i physically hit every signle idiot across his stupid head, every single idiot fails to realise that yes, i can hit him physically across the head. 1104592;1429542263;assbot;Logged on 19-04-2015 00:22:57; cazalla: looks like gaw didn't like qntra much either http://dpaste.com/2NHJKBA.txt 1104593;1429542274;mircea_popescu;fucking internet, made everyone think himself invulnerable and important. 1104594;1429543059;mod6;buenos dias! 1104595;1429543122;BingoBoingo;How are the hangovers down there? 1104596;1429543126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73100 @ 0.00031465 = 23.0009 BTC [-] 1104597;1429543161;mod6;eh, not so bad i gather. we did stay up very late again though. heheh 1104598;1429543456;mircea_popescu;cazalla http://trilema.com/2015/the-best-biggest-bitcoin-derps-on-welfare-or-the-misadventures-of-young-josh-garza-jonah-dorman-eric-capuano-and-brian-klein/ << there, something to make your cold black heart warm. 1104599;1429543456;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLaVSX ) 1104600;1429543463;mircea_popescu;hola el modo seis! 1104601;1429543487;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_lander 1104602;1429543497;mircea_popescu;https://www.linkedin.com/pub/josh-garza/8/824/874 << total fuckingspammer derp, over 500 connections 11 recomendations ? 1104603;1429543499;assbot;Josh Garza | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLb4Wo ) 1104604;1429543514;mod6;hola mircea_popescu! 1104605;1429543520;mircea_popescu;so what, 3% of the people who know you would recommed you ? such win. 1104606;1429543632;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-04-2015#1104587 << easy! owned one box in a dc, then arp-poisoned 1104607;1429543632;assbot;Logged on 20-04-2015 15:00:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104316 << dude owned box that owns a whole C class ? how. 1104608;1429543657;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander the original point was, "if you want malware hosting, talk to x". 1104609;1429543660;*;ascii_lander just only now washed up 1104610;1429543666;mircea_popescu;whether the dc is selling it or just gifting it away... 1104611;1429543686;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: almost every dc on planet3 'gifts' l0l 1104612;1429543711;mod6;ascii_lander: me too, getting packed now... 1104613;1429543750;mircea_popescu;anyways these logs are a riot. 1104614;1429544041;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2015#1104400 << dood, you don't understand how the world works. a warm smile and a firm handshake is all that's needed to keep emails on their route. 1104615;1429544041;assbot;Logged on 19-04-2015 07:58:52; ben_vulpes: sorry boss you transmitted something in cleartext 1104616;1429544054;mircea_popescu;i am on linkedin and wut is this cryptostuff. 1104617;1429544165;ascii_lander;undress for interview << army ? 1104618;1429544186;ascii_lander;(where, other than pr0n, else..?) 1104619;1429544211;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2015#1104408 << bwahahaha 1104620;1429544211;assbot;Logged on 19-04-2015 08:03:05; ben_vulpes: upon consideration too similar to personal hustle for comfort 1104621;1429544226;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander well, depends how the chick looks i guess. 1104622;1429544233;mircea_popescu;in any case it's a compliment. 1104623;1429544244;ascii_lander;ahaahaha them, l0l 1104624;1429544298;*;ascii_lander pictured being asked to disrobe at interview, and having puzzled look 'is this… sparta?!' 1104625;1429544313;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2015#1104416 << cazalla totally delivered. it's like when there's a bunch of people guarding some computers, and like 9 out of them go to get drunk one night leaving a couple behind 1104626;1429544313;assbot;Logged on 19-04-2015 08:08:43; ben_vulpes: WHAT LOG 1104627;1429544320;mircea_popescu;and that couple shoot the moon 1104628;1429544350;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander fun fact : spart/a is how you say broken, such as for instance a broken butt ring in romanian. so it would be... ahem... sparta. 1104629;1429544358;ascii_lander;l0l! 1104630;1429544396;mircea_popescu;sparta-n cur literally means rottinculo 1104631;1429544440;mircea_popescu;also, today we learn alf wears robes to interviews. 1104632;1429544447;mircea_popescu;where's your robes at man ? we never saw any robes! 1104633;1429544475;ascii_lander;neh robes to seppuku only 1104634;1429544485;mircea_popescu;"Rocket Lab is redefining how we access space. Powered by our brand new Rutherford motor; small, fast and agile" 1104635;1429544496;ascii_lander;(disrobe - engl. localizm possibly) 1104636;1429544504;mircea_popescu;"Rutherford adopts an entirely new electric propulsion cycle, using electric motors to drive its turbopumps, and is the first oxygen/hydrocarbon engine to use 3D printing for all primary components." 1104637;1429544507;mircea_popescu;mother of god. 1104638;1429544514;mircea_popescu;this seriously works, printed rocket ?! 1104639;1429544525;mircea_popescu;uh. 1104640;1429544527;ascii_lander;what do you think, lol 1104641;1429544536;mircea_popescu;http://www.rocketlabusa.com/static/images/rutherford-motor.png << what the shit, they printed (bad) solder marks ? 1104642;1429544538;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLepoF ) 1104643;1429544549;mircea_popescu;lmao what kabuki. "3d printing reproduces spot welds!11" 1104644;1429544603;mircea_popescu;plenty of turbopumps driven electrically, i thought 1104645;1429544620;mircea_popescu;to combad the serious stlal problems that arise from where you need thrust to pump the gas yo uneed for thrust. 1104646;1429544627;mircea_popescu;combat* 1104647;1429544757;ascii_lander;'agile' 1104648;1429544779;ascii_lander;kabukki more like here. 1104649;1429544790;ascii_lander;(bukkuki..) 1104650;1429544813;mircea_popescu;Electron is a two stage vehicle that uses Rocket Labs Rutherford liquid engine on both stages. 1104651;1429544826;mircea_popescu;dude what the shit. two stage, identical stages ?! WHO DOES THIS 1104652;1429544836;mircea_popescu;ftr, that WOULD be truely revolutionary, i never heard of it. 1104653;1429544873;mircea_popescu;"hey i hyave an idea, let's make a rocket powered taenia! 1104654;1429545352;mircea_popescu;http://www.rocketlabusa.com/static/images/sso-orbit-graph.svg << this seriously is linear ?! 1104655;1429545353;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLgC3q ) 1104656;1429545354;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_lander 1104657;1429545383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00031398 = 12.3865 BTC [-] {2} 1104658;1429545496;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: space-themed scams are quite inevitable - green pastures mostly 1104659;1429545508;mircea_popescu;aha. but why make it this bad. 1104660;1429545518;mircea_popescu;i guess they make whatever comes out. 1104661;1429545553;ascii_lander;because kabuki 1104662;1429545563;ascii_lander;it can't diverge far from other kabuki 1104663;1429545581;mircea_popescu;" Long and short is I am used to more reginal publications where a story typically runs the day after." 1104664;1429545586;mircea_popescu;what's reginal ? 1104665;1429545617;ascii_lander;regional perhaps ? 1104666;1429545651;mircea_popescu;oh that makes sense in context ty 1104667;1429545661;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/3MEHVHE << meanwhile... derps be derpy. 1104668;1429545662;assbot;dpaste: 3MEHVHE ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLhmpa ) 1104669;1429545672;mircea_popescu;and the idiots that credited the derps just because the derps existed are now left with the shame. 1104670;1429545715;mircea_popescu;oldest thing in bitcoin, this. from blazedout's wood scam to tat's neobee thing to pirate supporters, worst fucking thing you can do is entertain idiots. 1104671;1429545861;mircea_popescu;"And it seems to me that part of the problem is that the bitcoin community is full of some very passionate and inherently mistrusting people." 1104672;1429545862;mircea_popescu;herp. 1104673;1429545925;ascii_lander;l0l are they posting from the biodiesel pot yet ? 1104674;1429545982;BingoBoingo;ChIraq http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/20/chicago_shooting_wave_at_least_14_injured.html 1104675;1429545983;assbot;Chicago shooting wave: At least 14 injured. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLiclC ) 1104676;1429546012;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: what happened to '1 shot, 1 kill,' l0l 1104677;1429546023;ascii_lander;'32 individuals have been shot and at least four killed.' 1104678;1429546026;mircea_popescu;this is very instructive of the stupidity of journalists. they use windows, for one thing, but that perhaps is not their option. what IS their option however is to derp on linkedin rather than here. what his results in is, trying to do interviews with garza, and what THAT results in is http://dpaste.com/3SN7HCS.txt 1104679;1429546027;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLimcJ ) 1104680;1429546040;mod6;heh 'spray and pray' 1104681;1429546043;mircea_popescu;that poor unfortunate schmuck Michael Casey ended up having to write five pages of prose 1104682;1429546050;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: They tend to get better was the warm season goes on. 1104683;1429546061;mircea_popescu;just to try and get the ducks lined in a row to where he can wriote more prose to salvage his previous prose to where it's a 0 level. 1104684;1429546071;mircea_popescu;in short, he has written > 10k words to try to get back to zero. 1104685;1429546083;mircea_popescu;had he spent 1/10 of that effort ot get a key and get in the wot, he'd be above zero now. 1104686;1429546103;mircea_popescu;and the discussion of how that "is really epsilon" is not germane : epsilon STILL is above zero, as epsilony as it may be. 1104687;1429546120;mircea_popescu;but no, because windows is a symptom, not a cause. the sort of improductive idiots that do one, do all. 1104688;1429546173;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander more concerning is, "at least 14 injured". out of 32 individuals shot, 14 injured ? what is this, a team marksmanship ? 1104689;1429546187;mircea_popescu;"shot three times through his imaginary limb" 1104690;1429546511;ascii_lander;l0l 1104691;1429546545;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: …what IS their option however is to derp on linkedin rather than here. << zey are oonly foollowing oorderz (TM) 1104692;1429546555;mircea_popescu;yeahimsure. 1104693;1429546584;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> "shot three times through his imaginary limb" << haha 1104694;1429546590;mod6;ok gentlemen. all set. 1104695;1429546619;ascii_lander;i'll be down shortly 1104696;1429546634;ascii_lander;mod6: have you eaten ? 1104697;1429546636;mod6;I'm gonna head down to the lobby. Might venture out for a quick bite/coffee & shopping trip if anyone else wants to join me. 1104698;1429546653;ascii_lander;definitely 1104699;1429546657;mod6;ascii_lander: sounds good. I'll wait in the lobby. :] 1104700;1429546658;mircea_popescu;mod6 cafe victoria across the street's pretty good. 1104701;1429546678;mod6;We haven't been there yet, we'll check it out. Thanks! 1104702;1429546867;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2015#1104496 << if you mean leninsk, you got the syllables mixed uo 1104703;1429546867;assbot;Logged on 19-04-2015 16:26:32; funkenstein_: from bainokur 1104704;1429546975;ascii_lander;mod6: getting dressed, will appear soon, hungry 1104705;1429547248;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2015#1104512 << dude wtf is that. 1104706;1429547248;assbot;Logged on 19-04-2015 18:58:32; danielpbarron: The idea: We want to participate in pull request review, but we don't really understand the codebase well enough. 1104707;1429547252;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_lander 1104708;1429547400;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-04-2015#1104572 << ahahahahaha 1104709;1429547400;assbot;Logged on 20-04-2015 13:35:45; jurov: http://wundergroundmusic.com/wedding-ruined-after-groom-accidentally-serves-guests-ketamine-instead-of-powdered-alcohol/ 1104710;1429547432;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#777510 1104711;1429547432;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2014 02:02:25; *: asciilifeform was once offered ~1k usd by employer to take ketamine, somehow never got around to it 1104712;1429547487;mircea_popescu;it was the rage at some point, back when the current best fucks were best jailbait. 1104713;1429547569;mircea_popescu;omfg holy shit three days of logs within a cup of coffee ?! 1104714;1429547582;mircea_popescu;mindblown. more conferences needed. 1104715;1429547595;ascii_lander;speaking of coffee 1104716;1429547598;ascii_lander;who else is awake 1104717;1429547677;mircea_popescu;mod6 a moment ago. 1104718;1429547819;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander mod6 davout : btw i'll be dropping by hotel in about an hour, if you folk happen to be around. 1104719;1429547841;ascii_lander;neato 1104720;1429547853;ascii_lander;will grab some food, and come back 1104721;1429547860;mircea_popescu;sounds perfect. 1104722;1429547860;ascii_lander;about to go look for mod6 1104723;1429547860;mthreat;my vivid memory from the conference is davout pronouncing "vulpes" with a strong French pronunciation. "Listen to how I say it, 'vulpes ... vulpes'" 1104724;1429547871;ascii_lander;voolp 1104725;1429547871;mircea_popescu;:D 1104726;1429547993;mircea_popescu;This wedding cost me an absolute fortune so I decided Id try and save a few bucks by buying the powdered stuff instead of champagne, its supposed to be almost impossible to tell the difference if you add it to sparkling water, explained Montello during an interview with Wunderground. 1104727;1429547994;mircea_popescu;dude... 1104728;1429548011;mircea_popescu;this shit's not even wrong. 1104729;1429548027;mircea_popescu;seriously, "mineral water" ? the us doesn't even have mineral water, it's stuck importing san pelegrino 1104730;1429548028;ben_vulpes;scrimping on the bubbles?! 1104731;1429548074;ben_vulpes; [15:17] How are the hangovers down there? << we're not really drinking that much. talking, though... 1104732;1429548161;mircea_popescu;yeah, didn't get one. just slightly mellow morning after feel 1104733;1429548493;ben_vulpes; [15:46] dude what the shit. two stage, identical stages ?! WHO DOES THIS << but nooooooo the nozzle doesn't count as part of the ennnnginnnnne 1104734;1429548517;mircea_popescu;wait wut 1104735;1429548519;ben_vulpes;we totally optimized, too - just for not spending any money on engineering 1104736;1429548565;ben_vulpes;ah nm 1104737;1429548767;ben_vulpes;"A static cloud mining contract is a depreciating asset by definition" << lookie! people are beginning to understand how the w0rld werkz 1104738;1429548838;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-with-pmbs-ie-perpetual-mining-bonds/ 1104739;1429548839;assbot;The problem with PMBs, ie "Perpetual Mining Bonds" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLiDRp ) 1104740;1429548845;mircea_popescu;2015 is just the 2012 v2.0 1104741;1429548927;ben_vulpes;maybe someday dear michael casey will wrap his head around the fact that if it has zero representation in la serenissima it has zero legs, cannot walk, and everyone is quietly laughing at his interview with the bloody-stumped amputee runner 1104742;1429548943;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yeah. 1104743;1429548980;ben_vulpes;but hey maybe since the scamrate's up btc will crack 5k by nob 1104744;1429548981;ben_vulpes;nov* 1104745;1429548990;ben_vulpes;although we'd need another fractional reserve for that amirite 1104746;1429548991;mircea_popescu;lol 1104747;1429549086;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: coming by in hr? 1104748;1429549091;mircea_popescu;ye 1104749;1429549098;ben_vulpes;bring my test plane please 1104750;1429549111;mircea_popescu;yup. 1104751;1429549119;*;ben_vulpes wants to sit in cockpit at least 1104752;1429549194;ben_vulpes; [16:36] my vivid memory from the conference is davout pronouncing "vulpes" with a strong French pronunciation. "Listen to how I say it, 'vulpes ... vulpes'" << leesen deevih eets piiliiite teu prnewns yr freeeends nims de whey de went dem prnewnsed 1104753;1429549234;davout;ben_vulpes is obviously pretty jealous 1104754;1429549258;mircea_popescu;davout no dude, srsly, you have the cutest accent. 1104755;1429549260;mircea_popescu;chicks love it too. 1104756;1429549275;davout;not everyone gets to light stars in the chicks eyes just by saying where you're from :D 1104757;1429549294;mircea_popescu;hehe. that's not it tho. it's mopre like... 1104758;1429549299;davout;anyway, i'm gonna head out to the airport in a few minutes 1104759;1429549320;mircea_popescu;tous tes voyelles sont doux 1104760;1429549325;mircea_popescu;oh you're off ? 1104761;1429549338;mircea_popescu;have a good trip, compliments a l'amazonne 1104762;1429549373;ben_vulpes;later davout! 1104763;1429549375;davout;yeah, i can wait fifteen minutes if needed, but with my plane at five i think it's pretty reasonable to leave the hotel around 2~2:30 1104764;1429549384;davout;ben_vulpes: you still in bed? 1104765;1429549398;ben_vulpes;give me a few to brush my teeth 1104766;1429549404;davout;ah sure nw 1104767;1429549414;ben_vulpes;you know me so well baby 1104768;1429549415;mircea_popescu;davout yeah makes sense. 1104769;1429549424;davout;mircea_popescu: i left my extra cash with mike_c 1104770;1429549438;mircea_popescu;why, he looked like he could use it ? :D 1104771;1429549442;davout;;;isup www.therealbitcoin.org 1104772;1429549443;gribble;www.therealbitcoin.org is down 1104773;1429549462;mircea_popescu;o.O 1104774;1429549479;davout;i wanted to derp around with the foundation's tarball in the plane 1104775;1429549490;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/b0db55c8f2e3d557b27d184023d4b93c/tumblr_mt72waEt5p1s7ejhlo1_500.gif 1104776;1429549500;mircea_popescu;davout wasn't it thebitcoin.foundation ? 1104777;1429549522;davout;aha 1104778;1429549528;davout;not sure where i got that URRL 1104779;1429549542;davout;(url pronounced à la française bien sur) 1104780;1429549546;mircea_popescu;:D 1104781;1429549592;davout;so what i want to get is 0.5.3.1-RELEASE amirite 1104782;1429549599;ben_vulpes;http://thebitcoin.foundation/<< dabout 1104783;1429549599;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLliKM ) 1104784;1429549600;mircea_popescu;myeah 1104785;1429549619;davout;i'll probably just read the code for a bit 1104786;1429549633;ben_vulpes;worse ways to spend a flight 1104787;1429549643;mircea_popescu;like what, coding on rails ? 1104788;1429549653;ben_vulpes;hyu 1104789;1429549958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00031322 = 11.4639 BTC [-] {2} 1104790;1429550189;davout;ok, heading off, laterz all 1104791;1429552703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00031246 = 1.7029 BTC [-] 1104792;1429553130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15227 @ 0.00031604 = 4.8123 BTC [+] 1104793;1429553252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38723 @ 0.00032162 = 12.4541 BTC [+] 1104794;1429562453;mircea_popescu;!up miaviator 1104795;1429562530;miaviator;? 1104796;1429562534;miaviator;Thanks bot! 1104797;1429562731;mircea_popescu;aha. who are you ? 1104798;1429563018;williamdunne;mircea_popescu has become self-aware 1104799;1429563032;williamdunne;Prepare for death by-skynet any day now 1104800;1429563037;mircea_popescu;wait wut ? 1104801;1429563045;williamdunne;"Thanks bot!" 1104802;1429563068;trinque;I suppose miaviator thanks the door when someone gets it for him. 1104803;1429563105;williamdunne;trinque: That may make more sense, I assumed he thought Mircea was the bot 1104804;1429563130;miaviator;"+miaviator was voiced (+v) by @assbot" 1104805;1429563139;miaviator;I was thanking the bot for the voice. 1104806;1429563158;mircea_popescu;http://www.imgboc.com/image.php?id=4BEB_5289D57D << check out yukodsky's gf 1104807;1429563160;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzxT18 ) 1104808;1429563160;miaviator;Which makes no sense. Good point. 1104809;1429563168;williamdunne;"21:40:53 - mircea_popescu: !up miaviator" - the bot has to be called by someone else first 1104810;1429563186;miaviator;That's the missing line. Thanks mircea_popescu 1104811;1429563206;mircea_popescu;sure, you're welcome, but who are you ? 1104812;1429563212;miaviator;http://trilema.com/2015/the-best-biggest-bitcoin-derps-on-welfare-or-the-misadventures-of-young-josh-garza-jonah-dorman-eric-capuano-and-brian-klein/ 1104813;1429563213;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ozy1h1 ) 1104814;1429563217;miaviator;An honorable mention. 1104815;1429563225;mircea_popescu;lol. which one ? 1104816;1429563267;miaviator;Why make it that easy. 1104817;1429563290;williamdunne;I hope its Josh <3 1104818;1429563314;miaviator;williamdunne: Right, like that scam would show up somewhere he doesn't control. 1104819;1429563324;miaviator;If he can't ban people he doesn't show. 1104820;1429563338;mircea_popescu;he is on linkedin, neh ? total egyptian scammer mug, 500 connections 11 recommendations 1104821;1429563346;mircea_popescu;somehow doesn't occur to him why this is suspicious 1104822;1429563424;miaviator;He's been doxed pretty well over on bitcointalk. 1104823;1429563441;williamdunne;miaviator: Are you unnamed.png? 1104824;1429563472;miaviator;LOL, no williamdunne. 1104825;1429563503;mircea_popescu;poor girl incidentally. i mean getting scammed for like, money, is one thing. women get scammed all the time for their time. kinda worse. 1104826;1429563543;mircea_popescu;http://pando.com/2015/04/19/the-war-nerd-the-art-of-turf-war/ << fluffypony anything to this ? 1104827;1429563544;assbot;The War Nerd: The Art of Turf War | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ozzd3U ) 1104828;1429563566;miaviator;mircea_popescu: She was one of the first employees, reviewed and wrote his emails, talked about selling premined coins to buy a house etc. she is not collateral damage in this. 1104829;1429563587;mircea_popescu;miaviator female loyalty to the dude fucking her doth not stain the woman in my eyes. 1104830;1429563610;fluffypony;*clicks* 1104831;1429563612;miaviator;Interesting. 1104832;1429563659;williamdunne;!rate fluffypony 3 Points out stupidity, and promotes what matters while maintaining his humanity 1104833;1429563659;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/50b905613a083410 1104834;1429563677;mircea_popescu;http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/office-manager-bronx-dental-practice-operated-patients-article-1.2187721 << this is pretty kickass. 1104835;1429563678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzzCUb ) 1104836;1429563679;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah - we had these "xenophobic attacks" in 2008 1104837;1429563684;fluffypony;and they're back 1104838;1429563697;mircea_popescu;fluffypony aha 1104839;1429563697;williamdunne;!verify assbot:williamdunne.rate.fluffypony.3:737e3efbaf8422f6eb95d355d3b2b0c645c48e8fc914dbbb8380d5b1cce3b63d 1104840;1429563697;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for fluffypony with note: Points out stupidity, and promotes what matters while maintaining his humanity 1104841;1429563698;fluffypony;it's basically the yokel locals going "therr takin' urr jerbs" 1104842;1429563748;fluffypony;it's the South African version of that South Park episode 1104843;1429563758;mircea_popescu;fluffypony doesn't seem there's any stable solution for it other than concentration camps for one side or the other. 1104844;1429563797;fluffypony;yeah, the 2008 stuff escalated a bit, the po po stepped up their visible policing activity in the affected areas, and it dissipated 1104845;1429563808;mircea_popescu;http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/80-percent-of-police-force-resigns-after-missouri-town-elects-first-african-american-mayor/ << what i want to know about this thing is, how the fuck do you cut an integer 80% out of 6. 1104846;1429563810;assbot; 80 percent of police force resigns after Missouri town elects first African-American mayor ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzzVy5 ) 1104847;1429563843;fluffypony;easy, the 5th person is missing an arm, so he only counts as 4.8 1104848;1429563858;fluffypony;*0.8 1104849;1429563858;mircea_popescu;oh ok 1104850;1429564349;mircea_popescu;ahahaha putin wants steven segall as an ambassador 1104851;1429564360;mircea_popescu;maybe obama could reciprocally send the velvet fog ? 1104852;1429564656;williamdunne;!up miaviator: 1104853;1429565302;mircea_popescu;;;later tell davout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL6maP3flsA 1104854;1429565304;assbot;Maria de Buenos Aires Astorpia quinteto Piazzolla_Tango Argentina - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E3Gesj ) 1104855;1429565304;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1104856;1429566855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100200 @ 0.00032164 = 32.2283 BTC [+] {2} 1104857;1429569316;BingoBoingo;miaviator: You the Capuano fellow? 1104858;1429569328;BingoBoingo;!up miaviator 1104859;1429569371;miaviator;Nope the other one. 1104860;1429569381;BingoBoingo;Ah, Klein? 1104861;1429569388;miaviator;The other other one? 1104862;1429569389;miaviator;WTF 1104863;1429569407;BingoBoingo;Dorman? 1104864;1429569408;miaviator;Oh Klein, the attorney, yeah that guy quit after a few weeks. 1104865;1429569412;miaviator;BingoBoingo: yep 1104866;1429569416;miaviator;I'm that asshole. 1104867;1429569432;BingoBoingo;K 1104868;1429569450;BingoBoingo;Cause that Capuano fellow seems a bit... slow... 1104869;1429569501;miaviator;BingoBoingo: LOL, let me tell him you said that. 1104870;1429569514;BingoBoingo;Just his aggressive inability to locate people who offer their real names online. 1104871;1429569540;miaviator;:) 1104872;1429569554;BingoBoingo;Not exactly a person worth of a "World's Greatest Detective" mug on his desk. 1104873;1429569597;miaviator;BingoBoingo: One sec you can tell him yourself. 1104874;1429569710;mircea_popescu;!up recon_eric_ 1104875;1429569721;recon_eric_;good evening! 1104876;1429569744;BingoBoingo;You too 1104877;1429569746;recon_eric_;I heard there was good conversation in these parts 1104878;1429569761;mircea_popescu;so basically this is what, the conference of people who're sorry about being involved with the garza fellow originally ? 1104879;1429569771;miaviator;Nope 1104880;1429569785;miaviator;Just honorable mentions in an article with a nude pic in it. 1104881;1429569802;mircea_popescu;lol kay. 1104882;1429569813;BingoBoingo;;;google "they really are Buttcoins nao" 1104883;1429569814;gribble;They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Perfect money corrupts absolutely on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; February 2013 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: 1104884;1429569820;BingoBoingo;^ Nude Pic 1104885;1429569822;mircea_popescu;get in the wot, best thing you can do for your btc profile. 1104886;1429569850;recon_eric_;I've said it once and I'll say it again, my only regret is blindly trusting a guy I've known 15+ years. Any of my other mistakes directly tie to that first one. 1104887;1429569866;recon_eric_;topped with a bit of naivety I suppose. 1104888;1429569883;recon_eric_;hell of a lesson learned as well. 1104889;1429569891;mircea_popescu;dude i dunno, one look at that linkedin profile pic and it's like "o hello luxor center for businessmen". 1104890;1429569896;mircea_popescu;but i guess one shouldn't be that superficial. 1104891;1429569924;recon_eric_;That pic was taken at a christmas party :) but thanks for the compliment? I think? 1104892;1429569953;mircea_popescu;um. i dunno i ever seen your linkedin ? 1104893;1429569957;BingoBoingo;;;google site:trilema.com luxor center for businessmen 1104894;1429569958;gribble;"Business", whatever that may mean. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; La Florida and other places on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Bine ati venit la noi in tara! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: 1104895;1429569968;mircea_popescu;i meant https://www.linkedin.com/pub/josh-garza/8/824/874 1104896;1429569969;assbot;Josh Garza | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hpdmfb ) 1104897;1429569977;recon_eric_;ugh.... I'd rather not 1104898;1429570053;trinque;"even allow your customers to play games while they wait on hold" << goddamn, that's innovation. 1104899;1429570067;*;BingoBoingo wonders if Stuart Fraser is going to wander in 1104900;1429570078;recon_eric_;Now that would be some shit, wouldn't it ? 1104901;1429570116;BingoBoingo;I mean he's the derp who provided access to money in the first place. Lord knows local ISP wasn't seeding this thing. 1104902;1429570128;mircea_popescu;maybe putin could name statham as his action figure/ambassador to b-a 1104903;1429570136;recon_eric_;If you read up on BCT, you'll see that's exactly the case :) 1104904;1429570144;recon_eric_;Docs were published outlining the funding 1104905;1429570271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121100 @ 0.00031189 = 37.7699 BTC [-] {2} 1104906;1429570345;zen_eric;ugh... need to fix that 1104907;1429570396;BingoBoingo;Duct tape? 1104908;1429570512;recon_eric;ah thats better 1104909;1429570519;recon_eric;<- IRC noob 1104910;1429570594;BingoBoingo;It happens. You've got to flail wildly before you can sink in the pool. 1104911;1429570633;miaviator;^^^ 1104912;1429570636;miaviator;Nice. 1104913;1429570675;BingoBoingo;So how long ago did you too jump off of the Ship? 1104914;1429570694;recon_eric;on or around January 14 for me 1104915;1429570733;mircea_popescu;did you actually get a salary ? 1104916;1429570738;BingoBoingo;Now you to have lawyered up and stuff? Planned for crossing the southern border in case the feds come? 1104917;1429570761;recon_eric;I've lawyered up, but no plans of crossing the border 1104918;1429570769;recon_eric;My last conversation with Josh -> https://i.imgur.com/gwxLo5d.png 1104919;1429570769;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpfELc ) 1104920;1429570915;adlai;"It was my intention to make poor choices"? 1104921;1429570945;recon_eric;yeah, he's not the most proficient with the english language 1104922;1429570947;*;adlai ain't never heard of anglophones not using no negatives 1104923;1429571033;BingoBoingo;I'm actually kind of disappointing the amateur sleuthing didn't get you to which of of all three people with the same first/last name combo as myself to serve the papers to. It's been a while since I've toyed with civil law. 1104924;1429571082;recon_eric;Who's trying to serve papers? 1104925;1429571130;BingoBoingo;recon_eric: From the email thread in the trilema post. 1104926;1429571155;BingoBoingo;Apparently there was an effort to see if serving papers would even be possibru. 1104927;1429571191;BingoBoingo;!up miaviator 1104928;1429571219;recon_eric;Ah, that. One of my fantastically shitty roles at the company was "digging up info" when asked to. I could care less if Josh was able to sink his teeth in or not 1104929;1429571244;recon_eric;Couldn't* care less, rather. 1104930;1429571279;BingoBoingo;I would have loved to have had occasion to take his teeth for a necklace. 1104931;1429571299;mircea_popescu;recon_eric what's that involve, like google ? 1104932;1429571302;miaviator;That's a good quote. 1104933;1429571314;recon_eric;@mircea_popescu Exactly 1104934;1429571339;miaviator;Why hire a PI when you could google............ 1104935;1429571364;recon_eric;Finding people is not my job. It was something I was told to do by a sociopathic paranoid criminal. 1104936;1429571369;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Josh Garza is well above googling usernames for himself. 1104937;1429571387;mircea_popescu;recon_eric what do you do anyway ? 1104938;1429571393;mircea_popescu;i mean... normally, so to speak. 1104939;1429571407;recon_eric;I work in IT 1104940;1429571415;BingoBoingo;recon_eric: If you were a bit more enthusiastic maybe while he still had money I could have taken it in an anti-SLAPP case. 1104941;1429571424;recon_eric;primarily boundary security, infrastructure 1104942;1429571430;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-iv/ if anyone still cares for some reason. 1104943;1429571430;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1CpRh ) 1104944;1429571438;mircea_popescu;recon_eric and you're willing to move on to googling ?! 1104945;1429571454;mircea_popescu;i gotta remember this trick. next time i meet a sql expert ima send him to do my shopping. 1104946;1429571458;recon_eric;Wasn't a proud moment, I assure you. 1104947;1429571472;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and WE'RE the cult, check this shit out. 1104948;1429571499;recon_eric;I was "sold" on "amazing things are coming" just like everyone on Hashtalk. Not my favorite decision, but one I'll never make again. 1104949;1429571499;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1104950;1429571540;recon_eric;Remember, I also grew up with the guy. And when we were kids, he wasn't breaking the law (that I knew of)... So I trusted him. 1104951;1429571546;mircea_popescu;recon_eric there are ways to evaluate these things. you don't actually have the binary choice of "never again" forced like that. 1104952;1429571557;mircea_popescu;!up recon_eric 1104953;1429571577;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw the treefort chick never did come back did she 1104954;1429571594;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I don't believe so. 1104955;1429571635;BingoBoingo;recon_eric: Most kids aren't cool enough to test the law. 1104956;1429571682;mircea_popescu;these days... 1104957;1429571694;mircea_popescu;wasn't there that kid with the screensaver felony in here a week ago ? 1104958;1429571745;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQSmfR1_SVE << check out this guy's suit 1104959;1429571747;assbot;Opus - Life Is Life (Live) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1CUuR ) 1104960;1429571747;BingoBoingo;That wasn't a real law. 1104961;1429571798;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Yeah, computer misuse act or something like that 1104962;1429571811;williamdunne;Teachers password was their last name.. 1104963;1429571816;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Not a real law 1104964;1429571822;mircea_popescu;"crimes against friend computer act of dystopian future" 1104965;1429571834;BingoBoingo;Vague worthless bulshit like "Disorderly Conduct" 1104966;1429571839;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: What do you mean "not a real law"? 1104967;1429571855;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: To vague to be enforcabru 1104968;1429571935;BingoBoingo;Grand Theft Auto, real law has solid conditions to trigger its invocation. Disorderly conduct, FU vague, not a law. 1104969;1429571945;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, seems to have been enforced alrgiht 1104970;1429571964;BingoBoingo;I'll see next month. 1104971;1429572012;trinque;mircea_popescu | wasn't there that kid with the screensaver felony in here a week ago ? << employee of ours is a felon for sending an email in high school; vague laws work just fine 1104972;1429572049;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Pretty sure than in many cases being vague just gives them the ability to prosecute more cases 1104973;1429572051;mircea_popescu;myeah 1104974;1429572065;mircea_popescu;especially with the very settle-minded general public. 1104975;1429572111;williamdunne;More than 90% of cases settle without going to court 1104976;1429572121;williamdunne;IIRC 1104977;1429572127;BingoBoingo;What happens then they succeed though? Weev goes from joking about Jooz to joining the Aryan nation. 1104978;1429572130;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1104979;1429572142;ascii_lander;danke BingoBoingo! 1104980;1429572156;williamdunne;Ah no thats a plea bargain 1104981;1429572159;williamdunne;"The defendant enters a plea to the charges brought by the U.S. attorney at a hearing known as an arraignment. Most defendants — more than 90% — plead guilty rather than go to trial. If a defendant pleads guilty in return for the government agreeing to drop certain charges or to recommend a lenient sentence, the agreement often is called a "plea bargain." If the defendant pleads guilty, the judge may 1104982;1429572159;williamdunne;impose a sentence at that time, but more commonly will schedule a hearing to determine the sentence at a later date. In most felony cases the judge waits for the results of a presentence report, prepared by the court's probation office, before imposing sentence. If the defendant pleads not guilty, the judge will proceed to schedule a trial." 1104983;1429572165;*;ascii_lander stopped in $hotel for a bit to recharge air supply before returning to the surface 1104984;1429572250;*;ascii_lander finally ran into old soviet goodiez in mega-junkstore that ben_vulpes found 1104985;1429572277;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: Trinary computer in luggage? 1104986;1429572290;ascii_lander;they had all kinds of strange - bike saddles with perhaps evita's juices in them, suitcases that could have held mengele's suit, etc 1104987;1429572307;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: disposable craputer in luggage 1104988;1429572337;BingoBoingo;Ah, trinary wasn't available at shop for trading? 1104989;1429572361;ascii_lander;and the cobblestone streets, the non-synthetic food, …, ,,, - like time machine to childhood. 1104990;1429572370;ascii_lander;and the weapons-grade chixxorz 1104991;1429572412;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1104992;1429572413;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/075VBHJ.txt ) 1104993;1429572452;mircea_popescu;so apparently fucking php 5.4 will simply ignore ANY settings that direct it to stfu about "Strict" warnings 1104994;1429572454;mircea_popescu;just like that 1104995;1429572466;mircea_popescu;you can put whatever the fuck you want wherever the fuck you want it, bitch will be filling a file somewhere. 1104996;1429572487;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-04-2015#1104806 << how we know what this was ?? 1104997;1429572487;assbot;Logged on 20-04-2015 20:52:38; mircea_popescu: http://www.imgboc.com/image.php?id=4BEB_5289D57D << check out yukodsky's gf 1104998;1429572488;williamdunne;cron deleting the file? Sucks that you have to though 1104999;1429572494;ben_vulpes; [20:57] http://pando.com/2015/04/19/the-war-nerd-the-art-of-turf-war/ << fluffypony anything to this ? << ugh another website with broken pagedown dynamics 1105000;1429572495;assbot;The War Nerd: The Art of Turf War | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ozzd3U ) 1105001;1429572524;mircea_popescu;williamdunne ill tear it apart before i put in cron jobs like that 1105002;1429572542;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: why are you not using the legacy php? 1105003;1429572555;mircea_popescu;because new server ? dunno. 1105004;1429572568;mircea_popescu;"because nobody gives a shit about php until something breaks" 1105005;1429572599;ben_vulpes;this, btw, is why i ops with docker. excellent control of versions of everything. 1105006;1429572616;ben_vulpes;falls over horribly with weapons grade stuff like 40g of blockchain, but bitcoin fucks everything up anyways. 1105007;1429572641;mircea_popescu;i dunno that i could be bothered to replace whm with docker 1105008;1429572679;ben_vulpes;hm i think you'd want to run whm *in* docker 1105009;1429572697;ben_vulpes;that way you don't have the "lol installed cpanel server is useless for anything else until os reinstalled" prazlem 1105010;1429572709;ben_vulpes;for some value of useless. 1105011;1429572736;ben_vulpes;"WHM turns your dedicated or virtual private server (VPS) into a scalable business opportunity." << heeeee 1105012;1429572743;ben_vulpes;okay i clearly don't know what i'm talking about 1105013;1429572749;ben_vulpes;this is quite the hydra 1105014;1429572767;mircea_popescu;ikr? 1105015;1429572786;mircea_popescu;whm is basically docker for retards. 1105016;1429572798;mircea_popescu;it has the advantage that every 19 yo "sysadmin" out there can correctly reinstate backups 1105017;1429572809;ben_vulpes;i may yet belieeb that mircea_popescu is not a programmer 1105018;1429572814;ascii_lander;19yos -make- backups ?! 1105019;1429572815;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: who are you again? 1105020;1429572821;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander not theirsd. 1105021;1429572846;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: mod6's 7yo girl makes backups 1105022;1429572849;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Depends how you want me to answer, I suppose 1105023;1429572865;ben_vulpes;'tisn't how this works, williamdunne. 1105024;1429572874;ben_vulpes;"what is your quest?" 1105025;1429572883;williamdunne;Here to learn 1105026;1429572890;mircea_popescu;how can it possibly depend on what he wants lol. "i'm a boy unless really hot guy asks" ? 1105027;1429572899;ascii_lander;williamdunne: what do you hope to learn ? 1105028;1429572939;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Well, how I answer anyway 1105029;1429572963;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: At 19 my summer job involved scanning backup tapes. 1105030;1429572970;ben_vulpes; [22:40] good evening! << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDDMHwJh3U 1105031;1429572971;assbot;Hail, Hail, the Gang's All Here - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1FaSO ) 1105032;1429572971;williamdunne;ascii_lander: People here do interesting things, and discuss interesting things. Broad variety of things to learn 1105033;1429572995;mircea_popescu;i'm gonna send php 5.4 to mod6 so he can put it on his laptop when he throws it out of window 1105034;1429573009;ascii_lander;macfrisbee 1105035;1429573017;williamdunne;ascii_lander: So just 'things' I suppose 1105036;1429573020;mircea_popescu; i may yet belieeb that mircea_popescu is not a programmer << wait, why ? 1105037;1429573020;ascii_lander;(frisbook?) 1105038;1429573025;BingoBoingo;!up miaviator 1105039;1429573066;ben_vulpes;isn't that a thing he claims on occasion? 1105040;1429573072;ben_vulpes;only programs in sed, awk and curl? 1105041;1429573087;ascii_lander;betcha he fortrans under cover of night 1105042;1429573105;BingoBoingo;Don't forget SMASH, er BASH 1105043;1429573113;ben_vulpes;fortran? night? herr popescu? 1105044;1429573121;ascii_lander;and who knows what secret vice (snobol?) 1105045;1429573127;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah but what did i just say that triggered ? 1105046;1429573174;BingoBoingo;Fired for fanservice http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/football-player-sacked-sex-fan-5551340 1105047;1429573176;assbot;Football player sacked for sex with fan in manager's dug-out - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1FwJ8 ) 1105048;1429573176;ben_vulpes;nothing in particular, just referencing the running line that i don't quite buy it. 1105049;1429573233;mircea_popescu;haha win 1105050;1429573297;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes hey, i enjoy derping with stuff just as much as the next bloke 1105051;1429573319;mircea_popescu;but then again, i also just pass the phone to girlie to extract number and write it down rather than go without dinner. 1105052;1429573343;ben_vulpes; Fired for fanservice http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/football-player-sacked-sex-fan-5551340 << baww video no workie 1105053;1429573344;assbot;Football player sacked for sex with fan in manager's dug-out - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1FNf0 ) 1105054;1429573443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77974 @ 0.00031164 = 24.2998 BTC [-] {2} 1105055;1429573498;BingoBoingo;!up recon_eric 1105056;1429573531;BingoBoingo;So which fine gentleman would like to qntra up the conference? 1105057;1429573546;ben_vulpes;my notes stop at the end of friday 1105058;1429573570;BingoBoingo;Sounds reasonabru 1105059;1429573583;ben_vulpes;saturday and sunday night chats ran until four and they sent me up with the not-empty wine bottles 1105060;1429573643;BingoBoingo;There's also that river yall out walked 1105061;1429573663;ben_vulpes;notrly a river 1105062;1429573670;ben_vulpes;more of a historical puddle 1105063;1429573691;ben_vulpes;but hey it gave stan the opportunity to remind us all of how much he loves puzzles... 1105064;1429573693;ben_vulpes;subject of which 1105065;1429573697;ben_vulpes;|||\ 1105066;1429573777;ben_vulpes; [23:13] wasn't there that kid with the screensaver felony in here a week ago ? << i halfway expect to see a bunch of US teens showing up and derping into L2 to get access to MP's insurance policy 1105067;1429573829;BingoBoingo;Eh, if they de-Herp their derp fast enough maybe some can be thrown tot he newsmines. 1105068;1429573858;mircea_popescu;lmao 1105069;1429573860;williamdunne;L2, and insurance policy? 1105070;1429573874;ascii_lander;waiwut? 1105071;1429573898;BingoBoingo;*to the 1105072;1429573914;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: you really must break out of the jail and glider your way here - valhalla. 1105073;1429573938;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1105074;1429573947;ascii_lander;danke BingoBoingo! 1105075;1429573977;ben_vulpes;glider or walker 1105076;1429573995;ascii_lander;glidergun. 1105077;1429574002;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: I was actually kind of sad to discover GAW almost, but didn't quite mange to sue me. I would have loved to attempt taking their money instead. Could accellerated growth of te rocket fuel fund 1105078;1429574030;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: what makes you think he had any 1105079;1429574044;recon_eric;BingoBoingo: not sure there was much money to take... a collapsing ponzi isn't the wealthiest of entities 1105080;1429574051;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://www.clarin.com/extrashow/teatro/Carla_Peterson-Venus_en_la_piel_0_1341466141.html << seen it? 1105081;1429574053;assbot;Carla Peterson: “Siempre me siento muy expuesta” ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1GZPz ) 1105082;1429574060;ascii_lander;http://www.conwaylife.com/w/images/b/b6/Gosperglidergun.gif 1105083;1429574061;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1H0TD ) 1105084;1429574061;ascii_lander;^ it 1105085;1429574070;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: If anti-SLAPP could have been pushed through early enough could have at least become a priority creditor. 1105086;1429574074;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nope 1105087;1429574076;ascii_lander;^ yes, same bill gosper as 'hashlife' 1105088;1429574085;mircea_popescu;the paint only thing tho turned out a total disappointment. 1105089;1429574149;BingoBoingo;recon_eric: Still, what would I have had to lose with my total astounding lack of assets? 1105090;1429574167;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes get an idea : the only time bare cunt was exposed at the bdsm club de buenos ayres was when i bid slave take off panties. otherwise, NEVER. not ever. they will suck cock, but wear the fucing things like lives depend on it. 1105091;1429574177;mircea_popescu;so, no, don't expect an argentinian to honestly nudity. 1105092;1429574239;ascii_lander;what do we learn next? that the pheasants are immune to bullet, or, if immobilized physically, turn out to be made of rubber and run on alarm clock spring ? 1105093;1429574280;*;ascii_lander points out that everything -he- has so far has the fortune to touch, turned out to be wholly genuine and exquisitely so 1105094;1429574319;mircea_popescu;you don't know where to look. 1105095;1429574337;*;ascii_lander suspects he knows where, but lacks the mine clearance skills 1105096;1429574338;ben_vulpes;also, he's looking for real things, and of the classes with which he's familiar. 1105097;1429574427;ben_vulpes; they had all kinds of strange - bike saddles with perhaps evita's juices in them, suitcases that could have held mengele's suit, etc << bakelite-mounted corkscrews with two (!) helices! 1105098;1429574432;ben_vulpes;i may have to go back for that thing. 1105099;1429574464;*;ascii_lander pictures mircea_popescu grumbling to assistants: 'bought a couplea fuel rods, and, would you believe, they're reprocessed! fscking garbage, they said it was genuine fresh U235' 1105100;1429574465;ben_vulpes;beheading knives to tickle BingoBoingo 1105101;1429574477;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander:bwaha 1105102;1429574485;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Nice 1105103;1429574533;ascii_lander;re: junk << they had sov. clocks, cameras, etc 1105104;1429574572;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander anyway, im not saying maria de ba doesn't have a cunt like todas las hembras. i'm just pointing out to him not to expect to see "venus in the skin". 1105105;1429574585;mircea_popescu;even if SPECIFICALLY SOLD as such. it will not be it. no matter what, ever. 1105106;1429574598;mircea_popescu;or, as we say in romanian, "mule si stramule" 1105107;1429574641;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: no matter what, ever << wai wut. surely, in laboratory conditions - yes? 1105108;1429574654;mircea_popescu;kinda baffles me that the locals not merely expect to get away with it, but kinda try to pretend as if there isn't even something to get away with in the first place. "o dude, you thought "in the skin" meant naked ? totally not what it says" 1105109;1429574671;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander laboratory ? this is a show. public display. 1105110;1429574684;ascii_lander;ahahaha that 1105111;1429574707;BingoBoingo;Pubic fraud. 1105112;1429574730;ascii_lander;i suppose 'naked' here means 'in panties' and if these are removed, register underflows 1105113;1429574755;ascii_lander;(i.e. everyone creams his pants, then crashes) 1105114;1429574758;ben_vulpes;heh. 1105115;1429574781;mircea_popescu;yeah, right. it' so fucking special, the cunt. 1105116;1429574811;*;ascii_lander notices that it gets more 'special' the longer the spacewalk 1105117;1429574852;ascii_lander;http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ << related 1105118;1429574853;assbot;The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1IrBB ) 1105119;1429574853;mircea_popescu;how so ? 1105120;1429574864;ascii_lander;^ like so 1105121;1429574885;ascii_lander;'"No. No it didn't. No. Not at all." Morse looked quite frazzled. He had been staring fixedly at the Attison Detector for over an hour, mostly not blinking for the interval. Now he blinked three times rapidly, and looked again. "Not a millimeter. It hasn't moved and it's not going to. Nope." His speech, quick, acute, trailed off into a mutter and then into some sort of wheezing. You could think him asleep, except for the strange look in his e 1105122;1429574890;mircea_popescu;heh 1105123;1429574905;BingoBoingo;Oh graphs on the PD-1 thing https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CC_wk8kVEAAGuaI.png https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CC_wk4MUkAAMA8B.png 1105124;1429574905;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1Iv47 ) 1105125;1429574906;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1IxJr ) 1105126;1429575202;ben_vulpes;http://www.mundialdetango.gov.ar/ << mhm. 1105127;1429575203;assbot;Nuevo sitio ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9dyVo ) 1105128;1429575212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38616 @ 0.00032376 = 12.5023 BTC [+] 1105129;1429575231;ascii_lander;'it's dead, jim' (™) (R) 1105130;1429575248;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander http://trilema.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/ << lemme know if on the basis of 2nd pic would you expect buying tickets to get you to where yo usee a chick dancing in paint 1105131;1429575249;assbot;The soft underbelly of hedonism, exposed. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9dDbE ) 1105132;1429575252;mircea_popescu;or a chick dancing in a dress. 1105133;1429575262;mircea_popescu;because a) it's not the chick in the pic 1105134;1429575267;ben_vulpes;mars needs webdevs or how did that go 1105135;1429575267;mircea_popescu;and b) she's in a dress. 1105136;1429575313;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: l0l i'd expect: dress 1105137;1429575330;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: and does mars need spamatronicists 1105138;1429575382;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: the boobs are a bit unrealistically bouyant 1105139;1429575393;ben_vulpes;but i suppose that i just dont know how the world works or something 1105140;1429575411;hanbot;probably why he paid. 1105141;1429575461;ben_vulpes;for the record, this nail clipper is vastly superior to its american equivalents 1105142;1429575472;ben_vulpes;i suspect that china is now shipping the duds to the us, and the quality items to ars 1105143;1429575483;*;ascii_lander unsurprised 1105144;1429575670;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: i'm homing in on a thing 1105145;1429575678;ascii_lander;hm; Most Serene Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; History of the Republic of Venice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 1105324;1429589115;miaviator;Orthodox catholic I would presume for the Cilice 1105325;1429589138;decimation;BingoBoingo: catholics are weird. that heart and cross shaped 'bed of nails' is creepy 1105326;1429589156;mircea_popescu;mats nfi. 1105327;1429589159;BingoBoingo;mats: Oh, just some management staff from Gaw came by to hang out 1105328;1429589187;miaviator;Former. 1105329;1429589253;BingoBoingo;decimation: I always thought their pederasty was weirder 1105330;1429589303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00032545 = 14.9707 BTC [-] {2} 1105331;1429589366;williamdunne;What I can't stop wondering is why Josh is still in the US 1105332;1429589498;miaviator;williamdunne: Why would you think that? 1105333;1429589514;miaviator;He has stated in 3 channels over 5 times that he is in a specific city in vermont. 1105334;1429589526;miaviator;He has never before stated his location so much. 1105335;1429589529;williamdunne;miaviator: Apparently I am deaf 1105336;1429589548;williamdunne;miaviator: Vermont doesn't seem like a great choice either, better though 1105337;1429589559;miaviator;Somehow that seams to indicate a desperate attempt at misdirection. 1105338;1429589566;miaviator;williamdunne: Optima Computers 1105339;1429589580;miaviator;One of his previous companies is located in brattlewhateverborough 1105340;1429589669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00033481 = 15.9704 BTC [+] 1105341;1429589869;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on " BTC to top $350 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1135/ Odds: 96(Y):4(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,957. 1105342;1429590154;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/93beef5a9a8fbf126e15defc943cdc07/tumblr_ndw8teOwpw1tpse54o1_500.gif 1105343;1429590157;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HqbR0j ) 1105344;1429590195;williamdunne;!up miaviator 1105345;1429591438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4967 @ 0.00033379 = 1.6579 BTC [-] 1105346;1429592902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00033481 = 9.8434 BTC [+] 1105347;1429593266;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1105348;1429593277;ascii_lander;danke BingoBoingo 1105349;1429593301;*;ascii_lander ate a bottle of booze for dinner with ben_vulpes and walked more or less across whole diameter of b-a 1105350;1429593313;ascii_lander;at least, the whole blue tube line 1105351;1429593341;BingoBoingo;Sweet 1105352;1429595163;BingoBoingo;;;later tell ascii_lander Ben is short a converter??? 1105353;1429595163;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1105354;1429595215;BingoBoingo;;;later tell ascii_lander Ben would also like a phone call in the morning 1105355;1429595215;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1105356;1429597233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55683 @ 0.00033296 = 18.5402 BTC [-] {2} 1105357;1429599063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00033481 = 4.8547 BTC [+] 1105358;1429600161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00032227 = 7.2027 BTC [-] 1105359;1429600771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00033238 = 2.31 BTC [+] 1105360;1429601381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 25 @ 0.06 = 1.5 BTC [+] 1105361;1429601446;cazalla;ping mircea_popescu 1105362;1429601461;cazalla;be needing something so ping back when you return plskthxgo 1105363;1429604342;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/04/garza-friends-additional-emails-detailed/ 1105364;1429604343;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1cUiDAd ) 1105365;1429605224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.0003328 = 7.3882 BTC [+] {2} 1105366;1429605243;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.02 BTC for No on " BTC to top $350 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1135/ Odds: 48(Y):52(N) by coin, 48(Y):52(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.22 BTC. Current weight: 99,687. 1105367;1429605529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.0003229 = 11.4952 BTC [-] 1105368;1429606026;jurov;!up Vexual 1105369;1429606061;Vexual;hi jurov 1105370;1429606071;jurov;hell'o 1105371;1429606147;Vexual;are you in slovanistan, or south america? 1105372;1429606202;Vexual;keep it global 1105373;1429606273;jurov;no, antarctica 1105374;1429606283;Vexual;welll sydneys underwater 1105375;1429606338;Vexual;some sorcerer sent a storm to mcqaurie st 1105376;1429608076;williamdunne;!up vexual 1105377;1429608109;Vexual;thanks 1105378;1429608142;williamdunne;So, who are you? 1105379;1429608161;Vexual;havent we met? 1105380;1429608224;Vexual;your face is famkiliar 1105381;1429608246;Vexual;here i jest 1105382;1429608268;williamdunne;Vexual: Not particularly useful 1105383;1429608285;Vexual;is that a descriptor? 1105384;1429608316;Vexual;i dont know you either in that case 1105385;1429608316;williamdunne;No its a statement, as a descriptor it would be relative 1105386;1429608359;Vexual;im kinda versed around here, you wanna new descriptor? 1105387;1429608373;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t0R10dXJxk 1105388;1429608479;Vexual;youre they guy checking the gaw ceo? 1105389;1429608539;Vexual;i can descibe a few way where they went wrong 1105390;1429608553;williamdunne;Vexual: Aha most people can ;) 1105391;1429608620;Vexual;im not too familariar with the operation, i remmeber when they first had a product, after that, id have to read more 1105392;1429608648;williamdunne;Vexual: ScamCoins, ScamMiners, ScamInternet. General usage of scam as a prefix 1105393;1429608665;Vexual;yeah, seems moreish skimming that qntra article 1105394;1429608696;williamdunne;Lolz all round, really 1105395;1429608700;Vexual;zt cut off his arm to lose cloudhashing 1105396;1429608719;Vexual;tidy like, asx 1105397;1429608765;Vexual;someone in that op has a commerce ticket 1105398;1429608877;Vexual;so who are you again? 1105399;1429609039;Vexual;you sound familiar 1105400;1429609040;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-04-2015#1104866 << bit late to pretend you were innocent, those GAW hangouts you featured in.. i know that guilty look, you knew what the fuck was up the entire time 1105401;1429609040;assbot;Logged on 20-04-2015 22:36:56; miaviator: I'm that asshole. 1105402;1429609072;cazalla;that shit eating grin gives it away every time 1105403;1429609092;Vexual;well if youre talking to yourself, ive a patent on that 1105404;1429609117;Vexual;but its good fare anyhow 1105405;1429609120;williamdunne;Vexual: Don't know, not 1105406;1429609128;williamdunne;in many places so doubt you will have met me 1105407;1429609142;Vexual;indeed 1105408;1429609173;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-04-2015#1104886 i could tell something was up within 5 minutes of listening to garza, but it took you 15 years? 1105409;1429609173;assbot;Logged on 20-04-2015 22:44:10; recon_eric_: I've said it once and I'll say it again, my only regret is blindly trusting a guy I've known 15+ years. Any of my other mistakes directly tie to that first one. 1105410;1429609186;williamdunne;cazalla: Scammers gonna scam. Have to take some responsibility for it 1105411;1429609204;williamdunne;cazalla: To be fair, could have started out as an ordinary guy 15 years ago 1105412;1429609265;cazalla;williamdunne, maybe they touched swords long ago and recon_eric hoped by eating garza's shit on top of it, he'd keep quiet about that time they, you know, did their thing 1105413;1429609283;williamdunne;cazalla: Can't rule out any possibilities 1105414;1429609393;Vexual;bitcin biz iz hard 1105415;1429609413;Vexual;its like running an isp in 92 1105416;1429609447;cazalla;recon_eric, pretty sure garza was banging amber as well tbh, what with the constant text messages and shit 1105417;1429609484;Vexual;who is amber 1105418;1429609532;Vexual;seriously 1105419;1429609564;cazalla;Vexual, this chick https://www.linkedin.com/pub/amber-messer/4a/116/149 it's recon_eric wife 1105420;1429609565;assbot;Amber Messer | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFBK5W ) 1105421;1429609590;cazalla;works, or at least did, for marshall long at finalhash, guess garza liked to share his women around or something 1105422;1429609605;cazalla;this is after PAing for garza mind you 1105423;1429609646;Vexual;gaw was kinga flash in pan tho no? 1105424;1429609660;williamdunne;!up recon_eric 1105425;1429609668;williamdunne;recon_eric, are you a cuckold? 1105426;1429609669;Vexual;oh shit 1105427;1429609720;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkXDDBHV1-c 1105428;1429609808;cazalla;williamdunne, it's possible! http://i.imgur.com/oqk5v4N.png http://i.imgur.com/gB1HuwD.png 1105429;1429609809;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFCpUX ) 1105430;1429609809;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFCpV1 ) 1105431;1429609830;williamdunne;Oh shit 1105432;1429609847;williamdunne;"keep the CEO on track" reads differently now from her LinkedIn profile 1105433;1429609878;Vexual;yeah, failure is is failure 1105434;1429609929;jurov;!up Vexual 1105435;1429609985;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6FhS8jMHE 1105436;1429610006;cazalla;williamdunne ain't no fun if garza's brother can't have none http://i.imgur.com/U65rztJ.png 1105437;1429610007;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFCUOO ) 1105438;1429610028;williamdunne;Garza's adopted black brother 1105439;1429610093;williamdunne;ping recon_eric 1105440;1429610157;Vexual;u wot? 1105441;1429610174;williamdunne;I take it back Cazalla: could be the paycoin developer; https://www.linkedin.com/pub/ryan-mottley/34/a65/338?trk=pub-pbmap 1105442;1429610175;assbot;Ryan Mottley | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1boo0r3 ) 1105443;1429610198;cazalla;not sure that's him williamdunne as marshall long refers to the guy as brad in the emails 1105444;1429610213;cazalla;might've been on the team that banged amber, i mean created paycoin but not the lead dev 1105445;1429610285;Vexual;who da fuq is amber? 1105446;1429610293;williamdunne; /can't tell if being serious anymore/ 1105447;1429610296;cazalla;scroll up Vexual 1105448;1429610332;williamdunne;testing italics 1105449;1429610350;williamdunne; testing italics 1105450;1429610351;Vexual;well if bb cares phil dunn plead guilty 1105451;1429610364;Vexual;4 years 1105452;1429610465;*;williamdunne doesn't know who Phil Dunn is 1105453;1429610515;Vexual;hes actually names after our last rime minister, but i dint wana choice it 1105454;1429610575;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRQnJyP77tY 1105455;1429610655;Vexual;just incase you wondered what 10k users looked like 1105456;1429611130;Vexual;might be 30ish 1105457;1429611202;Vexual;HERES 10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daKpauTL8oA 1105458;1429611523;williamdunne;!up recon_eric 1105459;1429611586;Vexual;shit alf they jut put ur cunt sniffer on tv foor malaria 1105460;1429611620;Vexual;not gettingmalaria is better than getting laid 1105461;1429611689;Vexual;if you get malria 1105462;1429611706;Vexual;eat that doog 1105463;1429611849;williamdunne;!up Vexual 1105464;1429611930;Vexual;danke 1105465;1429612074;Vexual;sup pimp 1105466;1429612170;cazalla;;;seen thestringpuller 1105467;1429612171;gribble;thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 45 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: ^- close the bet 1105468;1429612188;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2by810nulE 1105469;1429612202;Vexual;i like that guyu 1105470;1429612235;Vexual;except hes usually sober' 1105471;1429612314;Vexual;and buisinesslike 1105472;1429612605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00031124 = 11.5937 BTC [-] {2} 1105473;1429612677;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URmQxj4dmw8 1105474;1429612788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.0003103 = 9.8986 BTC [-] 1105475;1429612887;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWAsI3U2EaE 1105476;1429612991;Vexual;da faq 1105477;1429613080;Vexual;sir from now on 1105478;1429613143;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcn4UG6Jd0s shitty analist errywhere 1105479;1429613207;Vexual;oh shit 1105480;1429613249;Vexual;good evening mr popescu 1105481;1429613308;Vexual;ever pinched a cigar from clinton and smoked it? 1105482;1429613366;williamdunne;!up recon_eric 1105483;1429613388;Vexual;of course not, but whyd ya lick it that mch, is threat like bleackberry 1105484;1429613410;Vexual;hilly as ratchet 1105485;1429613436;Vexual;its a jimmi hendrix thing 1105486;1429613455;Vexual;fuckers 1105487;1429613507;Vexual;we got panama fungus on our bananas, its a total crisis 1105488;1429613567;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105349 << no fucking way dude, from san telmo to moreno it's like 50km. 1105489;1429613567;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 05:15:01; *: ascii_lander ate a bottle of booze for dinner with ben_vulpes and walked more or less across whole diameter of b-a 1105490;1429613595;mircea_popescu;from tigre to whatever, peron it's also like 40 1105491;1429613607;Vexual;u wot? 1105492;1429613659;Vexual;mp youre like 4 bottles iin 1105493;1429613692;Vexual;cop this 1105494;1429613714;mircea_popescu;cazalla yo 1105495;1429613723;cazalla;evening 1105496;1429613992;mircea_popescu;this gaw wikileaks thing is pretty lulzy. 1105497;1429614025;mircea_popescu;or, to quote tiffany, "Who cares if the security let u do this it doesn't mean u should have done it" 1105498;1429614189;mircea_popescu;in any case one's left wondering if preet's now gonna look into stuff like "Discussing money that Garza alleged Stuart Fraser needed to keep out of sight" 1105499;1429614202;mircea_popescu;why exactly is cantor fitzgerald "keeping money out of sight", and whose sight exactly ? 1105500;1429614205;cazalla;interesting that 1105501;1429614253;mircea_popescu;" The amount is 150k. 1105502;1429614253;mircea_popescu;Please characterize it as a loan to him. 1105503;1429614253;mircea_popescu;Thank you for your attention and discretion. And yes, even millionaires borrow money from each other" 1105504;1429614262;mircea_popescu;lolk. 1105505;1429614435;mircea_popescu;"Here is what I would like: 1105506;1429614435;mircea_popescu; 10k per month investment paid to Geniuses at Work Corporation for 24 months (to pay myself with)." 1105507;1429614445;mircea_popescu;these millionaires... 1105508;1429614862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0003103 = 10.0848 BTC [-] 1105509;1429615256;mod6;made it to atl 1105510;1429615297;mod6;only a small leg to msp left. *whew* 1105511;1429615594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17814 @ 0.00031354 = 5.5854 BTC [+] 1105512;1429615750;mircea_popescu;o yo mod6 1105513;1429615888;mod6;hi Mr. P! 1105514;1429615930;mod6;just sitting here at the gate. few more hours, then i can fianlly sleep 1105515;1429615976;mircea_popescu;hehe. im just sitting here signing keys 1105516;1429615988;mod6;ahh cool! 1105517;1429616002;mod6;customs derp: you were there for 5 days? 1105518;1429616009;mod6;me: yup 1105519;1429616028;mod6;him: and youre going to work right now?? 1105520;1429616038;mod6;me: yes. 1105521;1429616048;mod6;him: wjat do you do? 1105522;1429616056;mod6;me: software stuff 1105523;1429616079;mod6;him: what languages do you play with? 1105524;1429616086;mod6;me: javascript 1105525;1429616108;mod6;him: ah, cool. i used to program in cobol. 1105526;1429616116;mod6;leeeel 1105527;1429616202;mircea_popescu;heh 1105528;1429616296;mod6;maybe it just /seemed/ funny at 5am 1105529;1429616426;mircea_popescu;for the record, key signing works as follows : $ gpg --edit-key --fingerprint 1105530;1429616433;mircea_popescu;then it puts out a prompt, you say sign 1105531;1429616442;mircea_popescu;then it shows you the fingerprint, make sure it's the right one, confirm 1105532;1429616491;mircea_popescu;and then $ gpg --keyserver sks-keyservers.net --send-key and $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-key where keyid you just copy from the line above. 1105533;1429616519;mod6;good to note 1105534;1429616573;mircea_popescu;certserver.pgp.com seems dead (gpg: keyserver send failed: keyserver error) 1105535;1429616655;mircea_popescu;actually i suppose this could be a job for a young fellow not afraid of work : inherit phuctor and build a pgp keyserver around it. 1105536;1429616766;mod6;ah, that'd be neat 1105537;1429616784;mod6;ok time to board. ttyl! 1105538;1429617302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4667 @ 0.0003103 = 1.4482 BTC [-] 1105539;1429617324;mircea_popescu;ahaha all this derpage. 1105540;1429617349;mircea_popescu;all these marginal idiots that never did anything misrepresenting themselves as connected and relevant and "renowned in the community", 1105541;1429617364;mircea_popescu;it's almost like watching the derpy seduction kids go. 1105542;1429617442;mats;mircea_popescu: that sounds interesting 1105543;1429617487;mircea_popescu;mats gpg is eventually going to get rewritten anyway, so building some expertise is a good use of time. 1105544;1429617515;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw ever got around to starting the crunch on those keys ? 1105545;1429617740;mats;you got a spec? 1105546;1429617805;mircea_popescu;no, but you can have one by the end of the week, how about that ? 1105547;1429617830;mats;i look forward to it 1105548;1429618034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6136 @ 0.00031354 = 1.9239 BTC [+] 1105549;1429619633;davout;ohai 1105550;1429619644;mircea_popescu;mats since i had a moment : http://trilema.com/2015/pgp-keyserver/ 1105551;1429619645;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PaEscH ) 1105552;1429619652;davout;mircea_popescu: now i want to make my own version of that yo soy maria tune 1105553;1429619653;mircea_popescu;should give you a general idea. may change till fri. 1105554;1429619659;mircea_popescu;davout :D 1105555;1429619671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform & everyone interested ^ rfc on this whole thread. 1105556;1429619684;davout;if i sing it i'll have to be mario from nintendo tho 1105557;1429619750;mircea_popescu;lol 1105558;1429620070;davout;so i have been sifting through the reference bitcoin implementation source code 1105559;1429620087;davout;looks like my contribution is going to be snipping away retarded stuff we don't care about 1105560;1429620138;mircea_popescu;unlike everyone else's 1105561;1429620230;davout;no, in the sense that i probably won't be able to *add* for a while, until i'm comfortable enough with the whole thing 1105562;1429620240;mircea_popescu;unlike everyone else. 1105563;1429620241;mircea_popescu;:D 1105564;1429620247;davout;blergh 1105565;1429620251;mircea_popescu;lmao 1105566;1429620268;davout;it's going to feel good blasting the "accounts" feature with piss 1105567;1429620286;mircea_popescu;oyeah 1105568;1429620348;davout;i'd also like to remove all the "if isTestnet" bullshit, and make the genesis block configurable, with the default bitcoin genesis block a hardcoded default 1105569;1429620383;mircea_popescu;afaik that was where the foundation was leaning too 1105570;1429620390;mircea_popescu;gotta wait for ben to emerge from his barrel of malbec 1105571;1429620454;davout;lol 1105572;1429621022;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/yo-soy-la-vista-de-buenos-ayres-soy-yo/ << btw kakobrekla , dat 4th pic... 1105573;1429621023;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaJngy ) 1105574;1429621189;mircea_popescu;"Free Lance Event Coordinator" wtf is that ? 1105575;1429621253;mircea_popescu;"CurrentGeniuses at Work Corp PreviousVictory Medical, 3way events EducationAustin Community College" well i'll be damned if that's not exactly a hooker profile. 3way events, srsly ? 1105576;1429621511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8612 @ 0.00031394 = 2.7037 BTC [+] 1105577;1429621635;mircea_popescu;"On the 19th of December 2014, Tokay provides Garza with the required parameters of his employment including a two year contract, $20,000 a month salary, 4 weeks vacation, bonus and stock options, relocation expenses, an apartment paid for for 6 months, green card visa assistance and legal fees as well as a company car. Garza informs Tokay that because GAW Miners is a startup, salary is capped at 90k." 1105578;1429621636;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha 1105579;1429621638;mircea_popescu;HAHAHAHA 1105580;1429621642;mircea_popescu;fucking hell wut is this. 1105581;1429621707;mircea_popescu;nigglets now get 250k a year and crimpage in style ? what, flipping burgers like every other babu bhat waiting for green card aplications is too good for this tokay ? 1105582;1429621711;davout;who's that tokay dude? 1105583;1429621725;mircea_popescu;nobody but apparently also napoleon intermittently. 1105584;1429621922;mircea_popescu;" Mate is a young entrepreneur. He runs the company on a daily basis. He travels to the conferences and arranges the miner hardware and other ..." 1105585;1429621931;mircea_popescu;whatever, 15 an hour gofer/best grip. 1105586;1429622000;mircea_popescu;"Mt Tokay Hungarian wakeboard team. When you see him on the site, seems so shy, so mostly people dont know him so much like other riders, but if you research more about him, than you will se some pretty good results in his history of wakeboarding." 1105587;1429622537;mircea_popescu;"I hadn't considered the Peercoin and recently the StartCoin noise we have madeWe run the risk of not being taken seriously." 1105588;1429622542;mircea_popescu;ahahaha bwahahah omfg 1105589;1429622544;mircea_popescu;the RISK ? 1105590;1429622554;mircea_popescu;what fucking risk. i run the risk of having a drink brb. 1105591;1429622628;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_lander 1105592;1429622652;*;ascii_lander awoke 1105593;1429622712;chetty;good morning ascii_lander 1105594;1429622733;ascii_lander;good morning chetty! 1105595;1429622757;mircea_popescu;cazalla why are you linking random http://www.filedropper.com/gawtar instead of locally hosting ? 1105596;1429622758;assbot;GAW.tar.gz :: Free File Hosting - File Dropper: File Host for Mp3, Videos, Music, Documents. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBTx2T ) 1105597;1429622787;mircea_popescu;oh footnote lol. well, fixed nao ? 1105598;1429622874;*;ascii_lander learned that there -are- in fact other folks in $hotel than him and ben_vulpes - all night long sounds of what appeared to be elephants being loaded into the next room, could be heard through the wall. made for some interesting dreams... 1105599;1429623001;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105459 << wat 1105600;1429623001;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 10:19:46; Vexual: shit alf they jut put ur cunt sniffer on tv foor malaria 1105601;1429623111;mircea_popescu;i dunno they keep voicing him 1105602;1429623146;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: we did more or less the whole of light-blue tube line 'a' 1105603;1429623157;ascii_lander;and some side streets 1105604;1429623198;ascii_lander;can't even recall why 1105605;1429623228;mircea_popescu;from plaza de mayo to san pedrito ? 1105606;1429623252;ascii_lander;opposite dir 1105607;1429623285;ascii_lander;from hell knows where to plaza de mayo 1105608;1429623302;mircea_popescu;aha. that's like 10 km 1105609;1429623328;mircea_popescu;hm. you prolly took it from miserere ? like 4 ? 1105610;1429623374;*;ascii_lander will have to prod ben_vulpes when he awakens. he had the original coordinates for the cab that put us in the mongolia we started from 1105611;1429623477;mircea_popescu;you brought back any horses/fillies from that mongolia ? 1105612;1429623493;ascii_lander;nein 1105613;1429623528;ascii_lander;iirc we didnt even eat, l0l 1105614;1429623562;ascii_lander;(started with bottle, and after that there was a kind of other logic.) 1105615;1429623600;*;mircea_popescu pictures the two trying to open hotel with cigar 1105616;1429623609;ascii_lander;with magic. 1105617;1429623635;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm fixing auden's poem atm 1105618;1429623648;ascii_lander;the progre? 1105619;1429623697;ascii_lander;did we ever do 'programmer does what prgmogres can, feats quite impossible for man... 1105620;1429623698;ascii_lander;' 1105621;1429623749;mircea_popescu;no, the clocks. 1105622;1429623809;ascii_lander;http://homepages.wmich.edu/~cooneys/poems/auden.stop.html << it? 1105623;1429623810;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6dmTs ) 1105624;1429623834;mircea_popescu;the very same 1105625;1429623879;*;ascii_lander read mircea_popescu pgp rfc in half-awake state and almost released brain from nose until realized that it is for -keyserver- and not a pgptron (e.g. gpg) per se 1105626;1429623908;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1105627;1429623957;mircea_popescu;"mp has apparently gone insane. no, wait, how about read this thing again first." 1105628;1429624361;chetty; "mp has apparently gone insane.// this would be new?? 1105629;1429624416;mircea_popescu;well now that all depends 1105630;1429624529;chetty;!up ascii_lander 1105631;1429624539;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105568 << davout appears ready to rumble 1105632;1429624539;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 12:45:48; davout: i'd also like to remove all the "if isTestnet" bullshit, and make the genesis block configurable, with the default bitcoin genesis block a hardcoded default 1105633;1429624563;ascii_lander;^ though seed config probably oughta happen first, imho 1105634;1429624592;ascii_lander;the current mechanism for it is dangerously - explosively - retarded 1105635;1429624805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00031394 = 7.5346 BTC [+] 1105636;1429625002;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105544 << will start throwing the mega-butterflycollection in there as soon as i park the thing on that spiffy new box. 1105637;1429625002;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 11:58:35; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw ever got around to starting the crunch on those keys ? 1105638;1429625012;mircea_popescu;cool. 1105639;1429625017;ascii_lander;after return to mordor. 1105640;1429625184;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105577 << wat 1105641;1429625184;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 13:07:15; mircea_popescu: "On the 19th of December 2014, Tokay provides Garza with the required parameters of his employment including a two year contract, $20,000 a month salary, 4 weeks vacation, bonus and stock options, relocation expenses, an apartment paid for for 6 months, green card visa assistance and legal fees as well as a company car. Garza informs Tokay that because GAW Miners is a startup, salary is capped at 90k 1105642;1429625188;*;ascii_lander pops 1105643;1429625223;mircea_popescu;heh 1105644;1429625477;jurov;http://ria.ru/incidents/20150421/1059911210.html director of russian drug police says "color revolutions" are caused by special drugs 1105645;1429625478;assbot;ФСКН: спайсы-убийцы используют для организации "цветных революций" | РИА Новости ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIDejz ) 1105646;1429625500;ascii_lander;l0l 'bath salt' 1105647;1429625571;ascii_lander;''"В прошлом году мы столкнулись с феноменом, когда известный синтетический наркотик был пополнен новым радикалом фторсодержащей группы и наркотическое вещество приобрело качество боевого отравляющего вещества, что вызвало эпидемию смерте 1105648;1429625595;jurov;dunno why they doin't go full way and connect it to chemtrails 1105649;1429625652;ascii_lander;'in the past year we encountered a phenomenon where a well-known synthetic dope was augmented with a new radical, a fluoride group, and the dope acquired the qualities of a chemical warfare compound, which caused an epidemic of deaths (in ru.), said ivanov.' 1105650;1429625699;ascii_lander;rest of the thing is reasonable though 1105651;1429625728;ascii_lander;alleges that dopeheads were over-represented in 'maidan' (may well be the case) 1105652;1429625730;mircea_popescu;good point. dem chgemtrails 1105653;1429625774;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander dopeheads are always overepresented. one thing, because age group. the other, because inhibitions. 1105654;1429625811;jurov;and it's usually done in china except usually done in the US/UK? 1105655;1429625838;ascii_lander;jurov is translating with dictionary or what 1105656;1429625921;ascii_lander;the us/uk paragraph refers to the (ancient, snoreworthy) fact of research in use of dope for psychodemocratiderpization is a beloved research topic in those countries. 1105657;1429625933;jurov;my russian isn't to notch, but he says "similar work is done in US/UK" and two paragraphs later ""spajsy" usually come from asian region" 1105658;1429625964;ascii_lander;jurov: next paragraph reveals (shock!) where folks in ru ultimately get their 'bath salts' 1105659;1429625984;ascii_lander;(known, perhaps because everyone in ru is herbert fan, as 'spice') 1105660;1429626068;jurov;i don't get it. so they blame the mass poisoning to US/UK developed stuff distributed by some "totalitarian sects"? 1105661;1429626072;ascii_lander;jurov: that thing is a ru example of the kind of 'public health' idiocy piece often found in usa papers 1105662;1429626094;ascii_lander;e.g., 'smoking is a tool of pedos so quit smoke' etc 1105663;1429626134;*;ascii_lander wonders why jurov so reliably reads ru tabloids 1105664;1429626188;jurov;so, when russian narco police says something, it's to be considered as tabloid material? 1105665;1429626234;*;ascii_lander not up to date on ru narcopolice (recall how putin was supposedly set to abolish it, on account of derpitude?) but seems to be the case 1105666;1429626282;jurov;and generally it's because many other people around here read ru tabloids and try to make sense of it, with horrible results 1105667;1429626293;jurov;that cause me to take notice 1105668;1429626395;lobbes;!up ascii_lander 1105669;1429626568;ben_vulpes;buenos dias 1105670;1429626652;jurov;hi vulpes 1105671;1429626658;ben_vulpes;hi jurov! 1105672;1429626687;ben_vulpes;how's it with you? 1105673;1429626696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00031394 = 11.5844 BTC [+] 1105674;1429626723;jurov;it's okay 1105675;1429626744;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_lander 1105676;1429626750;mircea_popescu;yo ben_vulpes 1105677;1429626755;ascii_lander;something is jamming almost whole 2.4g 1105678;1429626789;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes is awake! 1105679;1429626805;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/ 1105680;1429626805;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIHU99 ) 1105681;1429626879;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: i think the empenadas i found brought 2.4g contamination back to hotel redacto 1105682;1429626895;ben_vulpes;buenos dias herr popescu 1105683;1429626906;mircea_popescu;!up RetroFeel 1105684;1429626941;RetroFeel;hi 1105685;1429626943;RetroFeel;wondering 1105686;1429626958;RetroFeel;anyone tried https://investcryptos.com?ref=60752352 ? or no ref https://investcryptos.com 1105687;1429626959;assbot;InvestCryptos - Double Your Crypto Currencies ... ( http://bit.ly/1yO4Wgl ) 1105688;1429626960;assbot;InvestCryptos - Double Your Crypto Currencies ... ( http://bit.ly/1yO4WwN ) 1105689;1429626973;RetroFeel;got some ref payment there but should i invest in program? 1105690;1429626976;mircea_popescu;dude stop being retarded. 1105691;1429626980;RetroFeel;?? 1105692;1429626990;ben_vulpes; 1105693;1429626998;ascii_lander;RetroFeel: no. better idea, convert your money to zimbabwean dollars and put in pyre. then light 1105694;1429627007;ascii_lander;the gods will then smile 1105695;1429627012;ascii_lander;and mega-returnz. 1105696;1429627015;RetroFeel;what does this mean sir 1105697;1429627021;RetroFeel;looking for advice please :/ 1105698;1429627021;ben_vulpes;7% a week, i think 1105699;1429627025;ascii_lander;777 1105700;1429627026;ben_vulpes;it means it's a scam 1105701;1429627044;RetroFeel;ok but i got paid ref comm??? 1105702;1429627056;ben_vulpes;RetroFeel: u savvy how HYIP works? 1105703;1429627067;RetroFeel;hm? 1105704;1429627076;RetroFeel;sorry english not 100% 1105705;1429627106;ben_vulpes;high yield investment product 1105706;1429627111;ben_vulpes;aka take your money and run 1105707;1429627116;ben_vulpes;look buddy you're lucky enough to have bitcoins 1105708;1429627119;ben_vulpes;don't burn them on scams 1105709;1429627138;RetroFeel;I have 8.5 bitcoin how to grow? 1105710;1429627143;ben_vulpes;buy more. 1105711;1429627151;RetroFeel;thought if i play some 1 coin i may double 1105712;1429627166;ben_vulpes;"may" << not over a long enough time. 1105713;1429627200;RetroFeel;ok 1105714;1429627232;Pierre_Rochard;I have 8.5 bitcoin how to grow? <= as the chosen people say, dayenu 1105715;1429627273;ben_vulpes; [13:34] hm. you prolly took it from miserere ? like 4 ? << walked *past* misere at one point 1105716;1429627282;ben_vulpes;strolled from palermo 1105717;1429627285;mircea_popescu;so wheredja start ? 1105718;1429627294;ben_vulpes;place called... 1105719;1429627326;ben_vulpes;"Sheldon" 1105720;1429627342;ben_vulpes;showing ascii_lander heights of orcish technology 1105721;1429627343;mircea_popescu;so like honduras ? 1105722;1429627380;ben_vulpes;and serrano 1105723;1429627418;ascii_lander;top orcraft. 1105724;1429627425;mircea_popescu;yeah so like 6-7km 1105725;1429627438;ben_vulpes;i kept expecting food along the way 1105726;1429627440;ben_vulpes;FOOLISHLY 1105727;1429627459;mircea_popescu;o, rly ? 1105728;1429627463;mircea_popescu;no parilladas nada ? 1105729;1429627476;ben_vulpes;apparently we missed them all 1105730;1429627490;ben_vulpes;and then it was two and only the retarded pizza joints filled with teens were open 1105731;1429627500;ben_vulpes;saw some grafitti people doing their thing tho 1105732;1429627514;ascii_lander;we ate sodium light and lulz instead 1105733;1429627540;ben_vulpes;* ascii_lander [13:43] read mircea_popescu pgp rfc in half-awake state and almost released brain from nose until realized that it is for -keyserver- and not a pgptron (e.g. gpg) per se << wasn't there an actual keyserver rfc at some point? i swear i read this thing but now cannot find it. 1105734;1429627553;mircea_popescu;not afaik 1105735;1429627560;ben_vulpes; we ate sodium light and lulz instead << many lulz painted on the sidewalk 1105736;1429627583;ben_vulpes;apparently the big iron bowls outside congreso nacional are nazi installations in some regard? 1105737;1429627608;ascii_lander;did mengele upchuck into those or what. 1105738;1429627710;ben_vulpes; [09:44] Vexual, this chick https://www.linkedin.com/pub/amber-messer/4a/116/149 it's recon_eric wife << CoralFeather? 1105739;1429627711;assbot;Amber Messer | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIL1hl ) 1105740;1429627719;ben_vulpes;this is some burning man shibboleth? 1105741;1429627760;*;ascii_lander begins to stir into motion 1105742;1429627810;ben_vulpes;i have some salt to stuff in buckets, ascii_lander 1105743;1429627824;ben_vulpes;feel free to proceed without me 1105744;1429627827;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: take your time 1105745;1429627888;*;ascii_lander has not washed, dressed, or entirely awakened 1105746;1429627909;*;ben_vulpes has html to manually diff and jam into vcs 1105747;1429627910;ben_vulpes;thanksbro 1105748;1429627966;*;ascii_lander looks at the toil of ben_vulpes and is happy to have left the fires of the orcish smithies entirely behind in mordor 1105749;1429628047;*;ben_vulpes eyes ascii_lander's tether 1105750;1429628049;ben_vulpes;mhm 1105751;1429628066;ben_vulpes;'tis a "right button" bit of saltwork 1105752;1429628073;ascii_lander;aha. 1105753;1429628122;*;ben_vulpes sighs 1105754;1429628133;ben_vulpes;whose editor not only indents after a closing tag but also uses tabs? 1105755;1429628165;ascii_lander;heathen emacs ? 1105756;1429628186;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2b3vnw_cow-and-chicken-season-4-episode-4-mall-cop_fun << speaking of tethers 1105757;1429628187;assbot;Cow and Chicken Season 4 Episode 4: Mall Cop - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIMnsx ) 1105758;1429628244;ben_vulpes;i am pavlovianly disappointed 1105759;1429628292;ben_vulpes;i see mircea_popescu links and expect to see all sorts of perversions 1105760;1429628314;mircea_popescu;don't stereotype me 1105761;1429628317;mircea_popescu;check your privilege! 1105762;1429628437;*;ascii_lander finally moves from bed, brb. 1105763;1429628683;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_lander 1105764;1429629081;ben_vulpes;http://www.buenosairesmilongas.com/#Tuesday << dig the sweet table-based UI 1105765;1429629086;assbot;Buenos Aires Milongas ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIQ2qj ) 1105766;1429629647;chetty;Updated 21 September 2010 // you might be a little late ben_vulpes 1105767;1429629778;ben_vulpes;heh didn't even see that... 1105768;1429629784;ben_vulpes;guess i need some more coffee 1105769;1429629895;ben_vulpes;http://shahrukhmerchant.com/ << legitt 1105770;1429629896;assbot;Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIUo0v ) 1105771;1429629914;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: knob swizzled 1105772;1429630202;ben_vulpes;i'm going to grab some coffee down at the cafe on the plaza 1105773;1429631210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00031485 = 6.4229 BTC [+] {2} 1105774;1429631515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00031718 = 8.8493 BTC [+] {3} 1105775;1429632125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7609 @ 0.00031955 = 2.4315 BTC [+] 1105776;1429632552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21007 @ 0.00031551 = 6.6279 BTC [-] {2} 1105777;1429632560;lobbes;mircea_popescu, cow and chicken, eh? Funny that I don't picture you as a cartoon connoisseur. 1105778;1429632563;lobbes;You've seen Ren and Stimpy, no? iirc it is the same creators as the former, just more deranged. 1105779;1429632584;lobbes;!up ascii_lander1 1105780;1429632614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12693 @ 0.00031126 = 3.9508 BTC [-] 1105781;1429632974;ascii_lander1;;;later tell ben_vulpes i'ma look for food then will stop by hotel lobby around 2 if you want to find me. otherwise will explore the surface alone and we will meet at the coordinates mircea_popescu gave earlier, at 6. 1105782;1429632975;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1105783;1429633196;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander1: ah, i missed the coords 1105784;1429633206;ascii_lander1;l0l there you are. 1105785;1429633251;ascii_lander1;i went out for food, got distracted following a set of phemiderps drumming and waving plaquards (a gigantic tour bus deposited several dozen right in front of hotel) and then went back to room 1105786;1429633260;ascii_lander1;(to check #b-a naturally) 1105787;1429633322;lobbes;!up miaviator 1105788;1429633330;ben_vulpes;hola mike_c 1105789;1429633332;miaviator;Thanks lobbes 1105790;1429633337;lobbes;yw 1105791;1429633340;mike_c;hola senor vulpes 1105792;1429633353;miaviator;mircea_popescu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradchun of butterkiss consulting was the coin developer. 1105793;1429633354;assbot;bradley chun | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1EopNsz ) 1105794;1429633354;ascii_lander1;mike_c is home ? 1105795;1429633355;ben_vulpes;landed safely? 1105796;1429633373;mike_c;yup, made it back pretty easily 1105797;1429633384;mike_c;;;seen mod6 1105798;1429633384;gribble;mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: ok time to board. ttyl! 1105799;1429633400;mike_c;oh shit, did he miss his flight? 1105800;1429633410;mike_c;wasn't sure if he was going to make it 1105801;1429633416;miaviator;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/04/garza-friends-additional-emails-detailed/ says there was a 5.1GB email dump, there was two 5GB email dumps do you have both? 1105802;1429633417;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EopZrO ) 1105803;1429633443;ben_vulpes;how on earth do you people make so much email 1105804;1429633451;ascii_lander1;l0l 1105805;1429633455;*;ben_vulpes wonders if the logs are even 5g 1105806;1429633522;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: logs are maybe half that ? 1105807;1429633546;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: you've measured this? 1105808;1429633569;pete_dushenski;have not. just ballparking 1105809;1429633623;ben_vulpes;apropos of nada, my favorite unlogged line from the con: 1105810;1429633634;ben_vulpes;mike_c: "is he putting /butter/ in his coffee?!" 1105811;1429633671;pete_dushenski;ha, i've heard of people who do this 1105812;1429633682;pete_dushenski;more of a cinnamon man myself 1105813;1429633686;mike_c;it didn't seem to be melting so well either :) 1105814;1429633693;mike_c;btw, 2 years of logs = 400mb (measured) 1105815;1429633706;pete_dushenski;aha. 1105816;1429633713;mike_c;and that's the html files.. 1105817;1429633721;pete_dushenski;so 1/10 of the gaw emails 1105818;1429633729;pete_dushenski;1/12* 1105819;1429633764;ben_vulpes;probably largely attributable to the endless politeness 1105820;1429633769;ben_vulpes;"plz foar ams profesh" 1105821;1429634008;lobbes;re: coffee. Once you go black, you can't go back. Added benefit of $maxcaffeine per cup 1105822;1429634098;pete_dushenski;scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/21/the-case-for-infanticide/ 1105823;1429634100;assbot;The case for infanticide. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EosESw ) 1105824;1429634130;*;pete_dushenski reading all these garza letters on qntra. quite the dig cazalla! 1105825;1429634531;mod6;hi :] 1105826;1429634554;pete_dushenski;heya mod6! 1105827;1429634562;mod6;mike_c: na, i made my flight yesterday no problemo. earlier today I was boarding my connection in ATL. I'm back home now. 1105828;1429634569;mod6;in mordor (lol) 1105829;1429634599;pete_dushenski;mod6: was that your first trip to south america ? 1105830;1429634663;pete_dushenski;btw did i miss the reason why log1 isn't working ? 1105831;1429634671;mod6;pete_dushenski: ya 1105832;1429634721;pete_dushenski;very cool! 1105833;1429634791;mod6;it really was. 1105834;1429634799;mod6;and so ... ok, it's snowing here today 1105835;1429634833;mike_c;mod6: ah, good. not that getting stuck in BA would have been the worst thing in the world. 1105836;1429634852;mod6;true :) 1105837;1429634871;mod6;today its 37 deg. F/2.7 deg. C and snowing lol 1105838;1429634917;mod6;mike_c: how was your flight(s)? 1105839;1429634939;mike_c;very easy. i slept through most of it again 1105840;1429635083;mod6;oh wow. good for you. i never sleep on planes hardly. 1105841;1429635094;mod6;which reminds me; I need a nap :] 1105842;1429635113;mod6;I'll come back and checkin a bit later. hasta luego! 1105843;1429635278;pete_dushenski;!up miaviator 1105844;1429636098;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105714 << heh. nice 1105845;1429636098;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 14:40:32; Pierre_Rochard: I have 8.5 bitcoin how to grow? <= as the chosen people say, dayenu 1105846;1429636324;pete_dushenski;https://blog.sucuri.net/2015/04/security-advisory-xss-vulnerability-affecting-multiple-wordpress-plugins.html << for anyone using jetpack, wordpress seo, yoast thingies, etc. 1105847;1429636324;assbot;Security Advisory: XSS Vulnerability Affecting Multiple WordPress Plugins | Sucuri Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1J76Njt ) 1105848;1429636372;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2014/10/caleb-chen-stephanie-murphy-brian-sovryn-assist-ponzi-scheme/#comment-19226 << zing williamdunne ! 1105849;1429636373;assbot;Caleb Chen, Stephanie Murphy & Brian Sovryn Assist Ponzi Scheme | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7706e ) 1105850;1429636389;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: attended my first two passover dinners this year, the first was blasé, the second was SJW (had the orange on the seder plate, G-d was removed from the prayers!) 1105851;1429636430;pete_dushenski;the first one sounds typical, the second, wtf oranges ? 1105852;1429636435;pete_dushenski;was this in florida ?? 1105853;1429636467;pete_dushenski;and lemme guess, the oldest people in the room asked the four questions instead of the youngest 1105854;1429636472;Pierre_Rochard;http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/an-orange-on-the-seder-plate/ 1105855;1429636473;assbot;An Orange on the Seder Plate - My Jewish Learning ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJnSLW ) 1105856;1429636512;*;pete_dushenski can imagine a buncha octogenarians fighting for who plays the ignorant child 1105857;1429636521;Pierre_Rochard;this goy found it jarring 1105858;1429636532;Pierre_Rochard;haha 1105859;1429636565;pete_dushenski;"Susannah Heschel, a well-known Jewish feminist scholar, was introduced to an early feminist Haggadah that suggested adding a crust of bread on the seder plate, as a sign of solidarity with Jewish lesbians (which was intended to convey the idea that there’s as much room for a lesbian in Judaism as there is for a crust of bread on the seder plate)." 1105860;1429636576;pete_dushenski;HAHAHA omg 1105861;1429636598;pete_dushenski;"Heschel felt that to put bread on the seder plate would be to accept that Jewish lesbians and gay men violate Judaism like hametz [leavened food] violates Passover. So at her next seder, she chose an orange as a symbol of inclusion of gays and lesbians and others who are marginalized within the Jewish community. She offered the orange as a symbol of the fruitfulness for all Jews when lesbians and gay men are co 1105862;1429636598;pete_dushenski;ntributing and active members of Jewish life." 1105863;1429636611;pete_dushenski;lol jeebus that's too much to take! 1105864;1429636658;pete_dushenski;such "tradition hates me so let's pretend like tradition can be whatever we want it to be" 1105865;1429636687;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard: i'll fly you down for one of my seders one of these fine years. 1105866;1429636704;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: it would be an honor 1105867;1429636740;Pierre_Rochard;a mitzvah* 1105868;1429636746;pete_dushenski; i mean hey, if mp can host conferences, the least i can do is host the serene republic's seders 1105869;1429636772;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard: the mitzvah would be all mine ;) 1105870;1429637042;chetty;http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/many-vitamins-can-give-you-5556383 1105871;1429637043;assbot;Too many vitamins can give you CANCER, major new study warns the millions who take them - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJq6e5 ) 1105872;1429637983;lobbes;'One trial found the chances of lung cancer increased by 18% while another showed an rise of 28%.' 1105873;1429638036;lobbes;I wonder if this is because the people taking these supplements are trying to offset all the processed crap they are eating 1105874;1429638042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00032154 = 3.4887 BTC [+] 1105875;1429638164;lobbes;hence, the 'pseudo-food' being at least a contributing factor 1105876;1429638331;chetty;well most of those vitamins are just more nasty chems like the pseudo-food 1105877;1429639265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00031063 = 10.1576 BTC [-] {2} 1105878;1429639725;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on " BTC to top $350 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1135/ Odds: 58(Y):42(N) by coin, 58(Y):42(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.22 BTC. Current weight: 99,079. 1105879;1429640726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60050 @ 0.00031034 = 18.6359 BTC [-] {3} 1105880;1429642217;mircea_popescu;lobbes and why not ? 1105881;1429642235;mircea_popescu;hadn't seen ren and stimpy, no 1105882;1429642286;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105786 << lawl. this may be the first argentinian tour coordinated by irc. 1105883;1429642286;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 16:21:00; ascii_lander1: (to check #b-a naturally) 1105884;1429642355;mircea_popescu;miaviator i dunno, talk tio cazalla about that. 1105885;1429642364;mircea_popescu;how's ny mike_c ? 1105886;1429642438;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105803 << because they don't know how to use email. a) they top answer ; b) they add all that signature spam. 1105887;1429642438;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 16:24:03; ben_vulpes: how on earth do you people make so much email 1105888;1429642484;mircea_popescu;15% of the 5gb is made up out of 568048645 instances of "if i sent this email to the wrong guy please pretend this never happened because my name is phantomcircuit" in 45734 threads. 1105889;1429642522;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105816 << this. 1105890;1429642522;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 16:28:33; mike_c: and that's the html files.. 1105891;1429642567;mircea_popescu;lol infanticide. as time goes by, petey gets moar and moar eligible bacheloar. 1105892;1429642693;mircea_popescu;Return-path: 1105893;1429642693;mircea_popescu;From: "TAX@irs.gov" 1105894;1429642693;mircea_popescu;Subject: Your FED TAX payment (ID:11HIRS244242490) was Rejected 1105895;1429642722;mircea_popescu;nice try spamboy. however as it happens, i send as many payments to the irs as I have accounts with citi 1105896;1429642871;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105830 << no idea ? 1105897;1429642871;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 16:44:23; pete_dushenski: btw did i miss the reason why log1 isn't working ? 1105898;1429642875;mircea_popescu;hey kakobrekla do you know ? 1105899;1429642997;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105850 << what's the orange do ? 1105900;1429642997;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 17:13:09; Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: attended my first two passover dinners this year, the first was blasé, the second was SJW (had the orange on the seder plate, G-d was removed from the prayers!) 1105901;1429643066;mircea_popescu;dude fucking bs 1105902;1429643084;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is heschel and who asked her anything. 1105903;1429643111;mircea_popescu;srsly, 1980 ? three digit year or it didn't happen. 1105904;1429643268;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105868 << i think it's time the republic starts oppressing teh jews like any real country. how about, forcing them to add a slice of black forest cake to the seder. 1105905;1429643268;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 17:19:06; pete_dushenski: i mean hey, if mp can host conferences, the least i can do is host the serene republic's seders 1105906;1429643274;mircea_popescu;should be punishment enough. 1105907;1429643924;mircea_popescu;WP-E-Commerce kek 1105908;1429644060;mircea_popescu;heh. me wonders why exactly is it that the wp derps are willing to coordinate vulnerability "fixes" by "upgrading" with the sucuri derps. 1105909;1429644066;mircea_popescu;then me notices the sucuri website uses disqus. 1105910;1429644068;mircea_popescu;mmmmkay. 1105911;1429644103;mircea_popescu;pro tip : disqus is like the yellow star in the jewish ghetto. 1105912;1429644148;BingoBoingo; I wonder if this is because the people taking these supplements are trying to offset all the processed crap they are eating << Or because folate is like gasoline for the living. The first chemotherapy trials for Leukemia tried Folic Acid as the drug agent. Interesting reads came out of that. 1105913;1429644188;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard you know the very notion that someone thinks themselves gay and jewish... it's like... the quadriplegic swimmer or something. the 98 yo beauty queen 1105914;1429644234;mircea_popescu;i'm with BingoBoingo : folate is toxic in large doses, especially to males. and they're being dosed to all shit out of seemingly innocuous stuff (like flour) because hey, women *might* need it. 1105915;1429644243;mircea_popescu;but you can't make "woman flour", so just fuck up everyone. 1105916;1429644376;BingoBoingo;The batch of kids who were expected to make it another six months without treatment were lucky (or unlucky) if they made it past three weeks on the trial 1105917;1429644381;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: “reform judaism” -> special olympics, “inner beauty” pageant 1105918;1429644387;*;lobbes now feels compelled to read flour labels before buying 1105919;1429644393;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard nuts. 1105920;1429644400;mircea_popescu;lobbes it's not required labelling. 1105921;1429644432;mircea_popescu;but it IS one of the amusing marks of ignorance (to me), because the derps all concerned about flouridated water do not seem to know about the "fortified" milk and the folated flour. 1105922;1429644449;mircea_popescu;it's like... ooookay, i'm sure your careful approach to intake of substances will change things. 1105923;1429644537;mircea_popescu;but for the record : the case for dosing women, especially the sort likely to have kids unexpectedly (young, addicted, poor) and the sort likely to be depleted (oyung, addicted, poor) is extremely compelling. 1105924;1429644590;BingoBoingo;^ 1105925;1429644592;mircea_popescu;absent folate, all sorts of neural tube defects arise (spina bifida chief among em), and the absence kinda has to be remedied a week before conception. 1105926;1429644652;BingoBoingo;A little bit of folate does quite a bit of good, but too much is playing with fire outside of pregnancy situations. 1105927;1429644662;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1105928;1429644699;BingoBoingo;Other B-vitamins, nicotinic acid and cyanocobalamin far safer and necessary for the endurance drinker 1105929;1429644710;mircea_popescu;lol 1105930;1429644743;BingoBoingo;"Banana Bag" and all 1105931;1429644752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00031851 = 4.6662 BTC [+] {2} 1105932;1429644864;mike_c;mircea_popescu:how's ny mike_c ? << beautiful day today. springtime in manhattan is not a bad thing. 1105933;1429644875;mircea_popescu;aha. 1105934;1429645072;BingoBoingo;Springtime in Illinois is more precarious. Sure right now the weather is beautiful and the tulips are nearing the end of their blooming, but... at any moment the sky could change its mind and try to smote me. 1105935;1429648308;chetty;http://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/ 1105936;1429648309;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7O7A4 ) 1105937;1429648678;BingoBoingo;http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417155/wisconsins-shame-i-thought-it-was-home-invasion-david-french 1105938;1429648679;assbot;Wisconsin's Shame: ‘I Thought It Was a Home Invasion’ | National Review Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7PkHK ) 1105939;1429648687;BingoBoingo;^ Kulaks 1105940;1429648839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00031177 = 10.8496 BTC [-] {2} 1105941;1429649348;BingoBoingo;;;later tell danielpbarron http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/04/twitter-broadens-violent-threat-stance-makes-offenders-face-music/ 1105942;1429649349;assbot;Twitter broadens “violent threat” stance, makes offenders face music | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7RvuK ) 1105943;1429649349;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1105944;1429650730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27648 @ 0.00032154 = 8.8899 BTC [+] 1105945;1429652188;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105595 <<< refresh! didn't have much choice at the time given ftp issue 1105946;1429652188;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 13:25:57; mircea_popescu: cazalla why are you linking random http://www.filedropper.com/gawtar instead of locally hosting ? 1105947;1429656766;mthreat;mircea_popescu: have some fun with this one: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/21/chimpanzees-granted-legal-persons-status-unlawful-imprisonment 1105948;1429656767;assbot;Chimpanzees granted 'legal persons' status to defend their rights in court | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1G4yAef ) 1105949;1429656813;mthreat;habeas simius 1105950;1429657440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16771 @ 0.00032294 = 5.416 BTC [+] 1105951;1429660124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9545 @ 0.00032424 = 3.0949 BTC [+] {2} 1105952;1429662381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00032057 = 4.7124 BTC [-] 1105953;1429662589;mircea_popescu;mthreat lol can one marry them yet ? 1105954;1429662653;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Gotta remember it is 'Murica so Arm ripping chimps, not blowjob chimps. 1105955;1429662681;mircea_popescu;"On Monday, Manhattan supreme court justice Barbara Jaffe granted a writ of habeas corpus on behalf of two non-human plaintiffs" 1105956;1429662684;mircea_popescu;this is so fucking stupid... 1105957;1429662692;mircea_popescu;how exactly does the us expect to ever be taken seriously ? 1105958;1429662700;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1105959;1429662855;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105894 << $64KBez question, why mircea_popescu gets precisely same spams as i do 1105960;1429662855;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 18:58:13; mircea_popescu: Subject: Your FED TAX payment (ID:11HIRS244242490) was Rejected 1105961;1429662866;ascii_lander;(who else? raise hands?) 1105962;1429662884;mircea_popescu;probably someone bought a list of "business" 1105963;1429662907;ascii_lander;i wonder if it includes, say, my garbage man 1105964;1429662928;ascii_lander;( if it can fit both mircea_popescu and i ) 1105965;1429662934;mircea_popescu;we prolly all ended up on it because someone or other did a harvesting run of ba stuff 1105966;1429662949;*;BingoBoingo finally filed his annual IRS papers this week. Another 0 tax year. 1105967;1429662960;ascii_lander;the lulzy part is that the addr where i get these isn't even the one in my wot key 1105968;1429663049;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105915 << ahhaha. i have this thing going with pet, where in some sf universe there are differing, say, sugar chiralities for males and females to eat 1105969;1429663049;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 19:24:03; mircea_popescu: but you can't make "woman flour", so just fuck up everyone. 1105970;1429663065;ascii_lander;implications would make for a good yarn 1105971;1429663091;ascii_lander;(e.g., folks eating wrong-handed foods to diet and shitting selves as per 'olestra' , etc) 1105972;1429663243;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/windows-servers-pwnd-by-jpeg-uploads/ 1105973;1429663244;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSnH3Z ) 1105974;1429663252;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105935 << sop. the 'usaschwitz' thing is merely becoming formalized into written law 1105975;1429663252;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 20:31:48; chetty: http://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/ 1105976;1429663268;ascii_lander;(no one owns anything, not even own pathetic carcass) 1105977;1429663309;BingoBoingo;I honestly could see the Tractor Pull lobby and John Deere coming to blows over this 1105978;1429663324;ascii_lander;the basic precedent is nailed down long ago. 1105979;1429663391;BingoBoingo;Things change when dealing with people who throw additional motors on a chassis more enthusiastically than AMD throws more core on a die 1105980;1429663476;BingoBoingo;Tractor Pull is a phenomenon like Hamas that attracts an strong overlap of people with engineering talent and a love of firearms. 1105981;1429663598;BingoBoingo;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Tractor_pull_02.JPG << Sample of the small end of serious pulling tractors https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Tractor_pull_02.JPG 1105982;1429663600;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSomSM ) 1105983;1429663601;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSomSP ) 1105984;1429663601;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: tractor is a strategic good 1105985;1429663616;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: esp. the type that matters, the robotic/self-driving one 1105986;1429663645;ascii_lander;hence the importance, to the buggers, of nailing down 'no, you don't get to examine or change the fw' 1105987;1429663760;BingoBoingo;I want to understand that, but have trouble taking that seriously when this happens 200-400 yards from my front door http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-359hBzEV4 1105988;1429663761;assbot;Combine Demolition Derby, 2010 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1aQieNH ) 1105989;1429663789;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: two worlds. one that is palpable with unarmed eye, and the one that matters. 1105990;1429663847;BingoBoingo;It's interesting the ways that sports men and women weaponize these things that evade the inspectors and referees until the machines break 1105991;1429664015;ascii_lander;mod6, ben_vulpes, mike_c: note to usaschwitz inmates: 10x the usual frequency of scam callz to my u.s. phone, during voyage. somewhere there is a db of folks who went off the reservation. don't be surprised if phones in your social graph were similarly targeted. 1105992;1429664025;BingoBoingo;hopper full of telephone pole segments was my favorite. I have no idea what serious advantafe they were aiming for there 1105993;1429664040;ascii_lander;betcha somebody got the traditional 'ransom scam' for instance. 1105994;1429664101;ascii_lander;point being, that not only do things widely known to leak - leak, but also other things 1105995;1429664111;mircea_popescu;lol john deere selling "licenses to operate" tractors now ? 1105996;1429664116;ascii_lander;and one ought not to expect to hear any 'official' discussion thereof. 1105997;1429664152;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: in precisely the same way as crapple sells license to operate iPnohe, toyota - to operate toyota, etc. and the rest of the firmwarederpological world 1105998;1429664166;mircea_popescu;so illegal, all of this. 1105999;1429664171;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ECU firmware license with purchase of tractor apparently 1106000;1429664176;ascii_lander;started -at least- with ibm selling permission to use that 31st cpu etc 1106001;1429664212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7472 @ 0.0003244 = 2.4239 BTC [+] 1106002;1429664231;ascii_lander;l0l, 'illegal' is a concept only meaningful to commoners, in usa 1106003;1429664241;ascii_lander;it does not apply to anything usg or its tentacles might do. 1106004;1429664268;mircea_popescu;i was speaking of the proper term, illegal as deemed by the most serene republic. 1106005;1429664272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16428 @ 0.00032525 = 5.3432 BTC [+] 1106006;1429664279;mircea_popescu;not pale fiat scamversions of the concept. 1106007;1429664293;ascii_lander;might as well go straight to 'epidemiological hazard, nominated for glassing' 1106008;1429664301;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/pgp-keyserver/#comment-113787 << check that guy out 1106009;1429664302;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSpYfh ) 1106010;1429664302;ascii_lander;rather than merely 'illegal' 1106011;1429664385;*;ascii_lander just noticed the steady drip of derpcomments on trilema re: the fetlife thing 1106012;1429664405;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu that commenter sounds pretty... simple. 1106013;1429664411;*;ascii_lander wonders when the swarm will tire 1106014;1429664445;mircea_popescu;even the longest journey... 1106015;1429664446;ascii_lander;'Or any recommendations in general for someone who is quite tech savvy, but whose programming skills and experience don't go beyond writing some basic scripts.' << what does 'tech savvy' mean? 1106016;1429664458;mircea_popescu;maybe he works a cnc mill 1106017;1429664472;pete_dushenski;he owns an ipod 1106018;1429664472;ascii_lander;that'd be a bit further than 'basic scripts' 1106019;1429664485;mircea_popescu;maybe he runs an engine mod shop 1106020;1429664486;ascii_lander;(cnc is a fairly legit variant of what we understand as 'programming') 1106021;1429664492;pete_dushenski;and he can sync it to itunes. his grandma cannot do this. 1106022;1429664509;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander yes but like jourdain speaking in prose, he might not realise that's what it is. 1106023;1429664515;pete_dushenski;so he was called 'tech savvy' once 1106024;1429664519;mircea_popescu;if it were the only thing he does 1106025;1429664568;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_lander 1106026;1429664606;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu so how did the first conference in bsas stack up with the romanian editions ? 1106027;1429664635;mircea_popescu;i would say steady improvement 1106028;1429664643;mircea_popescu;i dunno, what do folk that went to both/all think ? 1106029;1429664651;mircea_popescu;davout, which was best conf to date ? 1106030;1429664718;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander seems to be lingering longer this time 1106031;1429664731;ascii_lander;l0l aha still here 1106032;1429664759;ascii_lander;and for most of tomorrow even. 1106033;1429664768;mircea_popescu;so is the consensus that one can't be tech savvy without being a programmer ? 1106034;1429664789;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: idk but i still remember when that -meant- - if meant anything - that one could program 1106035;1429664794;pete_dushenski;well are you not tech savvy then ? 1106036;1429664808;BingoBoingo;One probably at least needs be know of programming. 1106037;1429664809;pete_dushenski;^mircea_popescu 1106038;1429664821;mircea_popescu;i can code in whatever language you feel like, 1106039;1429664826;mircea_popescu;i just can't be arsed to. 1106040;1429664830;ascii_lander;^ 1106041;1429664846;pete_dushenski;aha 1106042;1429664883;mircea_popescu;i used to read diskedit printouts looking for Stoned B as a kid, i CAN do it. 1106043;1429664900;ascii_lander;^ m3m0ri1z 1106044;1429664902;pete_dushenski;i can see it. savvy basically meaning that you can make the machine do what you want 1106045;1429664914;*;ascii_lander nostalgic for clever virii 1106046;1429664922;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Stoned-virus-hexacode.png << dude check it out 1106047;1429664923;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aQk9lp ) 1106048;1429664926;mircea_popescu;many people remember, apparently. 1106049;1429664952;ascii_lander;of course we remember. 1106050;1429665026;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: re: earlier thread: you would, i think, like this place. 1106051;1429665059;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1106052;1429665061;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.15, Best ask: 234.46, Bid-ask spread: 0.31000, Last trade: 234.32, 24 hour volume: 33051.75287713, 24 hour low: 224.2, 24 hour high: 236.99, 24 hour vwap: None 1106053;1429665072;*;ascii_lander 's least favourite part is... 1106054;1429665074;ascii_lander;... 1106055;1429665083;ascii_lander;… going home. 1106056;1429665132;ascii_lander;i'm convinced that if most u.s. folks knew what kind of jail they live in, they would go full bore apeshit. 1106057;1429665171;BingoBoingo;When I make it out I'd like to avoid that part. Probably not stay in hardware B-A too long first visit, but definitely temped to spend decade+ outsid of Illinois. 1106058;1429665183;mircea_popescu;and if earthworms knew what their fate is they'd miss being the emperors of china, and the throne. 1106059;1429665205;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: they would if they could. 1106060;1429665236;BingoBoingo;Maybe earthworms are wired to like living in the shit? 1106061;1429665268;ascii_lander;'We are worms, we're the best, and we've come to win the war. / We'll stand, we'll never run; stay until it's done.' (™) (R) 1106062;1429665276;mircea_popescu;"She got the dogs safely out of the house, just as multiple armed agents rushed inside. Some even barged into the bathroom, where her partner was in the shower." 1106063;1429665278;ascii_lander;^ davout might recognize the source 1106064;1429665285;mircea_popescu;lol derps timed it to bother the woman post-coitally? 1106065;1429665344;ascii_lander;wai wat 1106066;1429665372;pete_dushenski;they probably enjoyed the entertainment before busting in 1106067;1429665372;mircea_popescu;some link in the logs. 1106068;1429665376;mircea_popescu;to do with wisconsin. 1106069;1429665391;ascii_lander;found it aha 1106070;1429665399;mircea_popescu;anyway, people just need to start shooting. 1106071;1429665417;mircea_popescu;put up signs "groups of police not allowed on this property. come alone or get shot." 1106072;1429665417;BingoBoingo;Wisconsin was too polite, It's almost pete_dushenski land 1106073;1429665435;mircea_popescu;and then start shooting at any groups of cops larger than one. 1106074;1429665473;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo apparently the border is increasingly blurry 1106075;1429665507;pete_dushenski;now us border guards can patrol canadian rail stations and airports and if they kill someone, be subject only to us law 1106076;1429665520;ascii_lander;nato colony. 1106077;1429665527;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Wisconsin has culturally been the land of you fuckers forever. The new stuff is all things that should concern you 1106078;1429665542;pete_dushenski;so ascii_lander quite that. 1106079;1429665552;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo that didn't parse ? 1106080;1429665572;pete_dushenski;'us fuckers' being canuckians ? 1106081;1429665575;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Wisconsin's basically been Canadian since... the 1920's 1106082;1429665592;BingoBoingo;As soon as there were enough people there to commune with yall 1106083;1429665604;mircea_popescu;that'd explain the cheese. 1106084;1429665605;ascii_lander;'… next came ominous warnings. Don’t call your lawyer. Don’t tell anyone about this raid. Not even your mother, your father, or your closest friends.' << l0l 1106085;1429665613;mircea_popescu;otherwise us cheese is like tall chinese strippers. 1106086;1429665640;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander meanwhile i'm like, "yeah totally, go read trilema tomorrow." 1106087;1429665640;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo well then wisconsin has been part of canada longer than (half) my family! 1106088;1429665669;pete_dushenski;is wisconsin cheese actually decent? not sure i've tried any 1106089;1429665694;ascii_lander;'And she realized, “Every aspect of my life is in their hands. And they hate me.”' 1106090;1429665696;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Yeah, but it's also an avenue for contagion. US badgov goes to Canada through Green Bay 1106091;1429665716;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it's actually not bad. well,m the better stuff anyway 1106092;1429665763;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo 'then straight on till morning' 1106093;1429665764;ascii_lander;the only answer is something like total cultural dismantlement (see carthage) and the proverbial 1000 years of colonial ball-crusher. 1106094;1429665768;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/2e4abde700722943b58acc7eb4b2b8a9/tumblr_ncmjn3Ymmz1tmc6gao6_r1_400.gif 1106095;1429665769;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aQlDff ) 1106096;1429665801;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i'd have to figure that everywhere has at least some variant of edible, even enjoyable cheese. 1106097;1429665815;pete_dushenski;whether this is normal or not.. 1106098;1429665817;mircea_popescu;not necessarily. 1106099;1429665829;ascii_lander;400.gif << somebody isn't eager to take in the american cheese emitter 1106100;1429665854;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu btw i didn't fully grok your comment on my infanticide article. sarcasm or no ? 1106101;1429665881;pete_dushenski;not sure that being in favour of baby killin' makes one more or less attractive to opposite sex, but would guess the latter 1106102;1429665885;BingoBoingo;California cheese pretty shitty, dunno why they are burning so much water on that and Alfalfa 1106103;1429665891;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i don't think any woman is going to score the male propensity to infanticide positively. 1106104;1429665897;mircea_popescu;for that matter, any female, of any mammal species. 1106105;1429665905;mircea_popescu;is the fundamental disagreement between the genders. 1106106;1429665929;pete_dushenski;females want their children to survive, males want their children to perform 1106107;1429665952;mircea_popescu;females strongly wish the offspring to survive. males weakly wish the offspring to perish. 1106108;1429665958;mircea_popescu;performance is a byproduct. 1106109;1429665984;pete_dushenski;a byproduct of what? 1106110;1429666000;ascii_lander;of the opposite death ray beams 1106111;1429666013;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski of that imbalance. 1106112;1429666031;pete_dushenski;hmm 1106113;1429666051;mircea_popescu;this is how everything works, incidentally. 1106114;1429666067;mircea_popescu;the sun wants particles strongly energized, thermodynamics wants particles weakly de-energized. 1106115;1429666085;mircea_popescu;as a result, coriolis storms, rainbows, deep throating and daisies. 1106116;1429666112;mircea_popescu;all epiphenomena of the fundamental imbalance. 1106117;1429666134;pete_dushenski;deep throating being when the father doesn't wish his offspring to perish strongly enough ? or too strongly ? 1106118;1429666145;pete_dushenski;s/being/resulting 1106119;1429666155;mircea_popescu;unrelated. it's a false bridge between the two example cases. 1106120;1429666174;pete_dushenski;ok 1106121;1429666220;pete_dushenski;i can see it. 1106122;1429666223;mircea_popescu;point being, the strong push weak pull device drives all performance, but performance is a byproduct. 1106123;1429666236;pete_dushenski;thankfully most contravex readers have dongs 1106124;1429666268;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't make sense to women, it doesn't make sense to men, either. whether they're poorly equipped to figure it out or not, notwithstanding. 1106125;1429666335;pete_dushenski;how so ? are there not differing perspectives ? differing inclinations between the sexes ? 1106126;1429666343;BingoBoingo;Anything younger than 10 is probably too early to cull anyways 1106127;1429666344;ascii_lander;cheapest infanticide is simpy: not making'em in the first place 1106128;1429666350;ascii_lander;*simply 1106129;1429666358;ascii_lander;just like the 'best car' 1106130;1429666370;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski different perspectives of what ? 1106131;1429666393;BingoBoingo;At least for cases not obviously cullable in womb 1106132;1429666395;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander notrly how this works. cheapest computer is not "no computer". that's cheapest noncomputer. 1106133;1429666395;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu towards the value of a child, particularly if handicapped 1106134;1429666418;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_lander 1106135;1429666427;mircea_popescu;eh, "value of a child" is like iq. 1106136;1429666449;pete_dushenski;ok, value of your own freedom and independence 1106137;1429666449;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: whatchatalkingabout, works great. just like the 'noncomputers' running my knives, forks, shoes work great. 1106138;1429666453;ascii_lander;best computerz. 1106139;1429666461;mircea_popescu;lol k 1106140;1429666475;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski that's like the value of god. 1106141;1429666507;pete_dushenski;or of heaven and hell, ya 1106142;1429666542;ascii_lander;how do you even comment on the 'value' of something which pretty much no one has anything like a reasonable reason to want. 1106143;1429666545;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i guess i'm still wondering why the 'making sense' equation has women leading and men following 1106144;1429666564;ascii_lander;what is the 'value' of being dragged behind a truck until nothing remains on the rope but a small flap of skin ? 1106145;1429666564;mircea_popescu;anyway, this "natural" thing... shitting in the bed is also natural. something being natural offers little ethical indication. 1106146;1429666573;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/21/michele_leonhart_resigns_dea_head_steps_down_after_prostitution_scandal.html << Mega lol, leaving when the opportunity for side income dries 1106147;1429666574;assbot;Michele Leonhart resigns: DEA head steps down after prostitution scandal, disagreement over marijuana. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aQncK7 ) 1106148;1429666586;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it doesn't. if something makes sense to only one gender, specifically, it's probably stupid. 1106149;1429666590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00032437 = 3.0977 BTC [-] 1106150;1429666697;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu that's general enough that i can't argue with that 1106151;1429666734;mircea_popescu;and kids are drastically distinguishable from animals, at any age. 1106152;1429666737;mircea_popescu;for one thing, they grab. 1106153;1429666747;ascii_lander;cat grabs 1106154;1429666753;mircea_popescu;kitten doth not. 1106155;1429666758;ascii_lander;one grabbed me at the old cemetary just today 1106156;1429666758;ascii_lander;hm 1106157;1429666815;mircea_popescu;monkeys do not, either. they eventually learn to, but if you watch it specifically, the difference is striking. 1106158;1429666839;BingoBoingo;Racoons grab, play hockey 1106159;1429666846;mircea_popescu;adfults, yes. 1106160;1429666873;BingoBoingo;With a life expectancy of 2 years hard to call any racoons adults 1106161;1429666880;mircea_popescu;haha ok 1106162;1429666963;BingoBoingo;I have seem a great many short flat citronella candle in tin leave the bounds of the picnic table in the backyard due to those masked bandits 1106163;1429666969;mircea_popescu;anyway, this entire discussion of interests and bs... i dunno that there's any value in trying to re-write the protestant ethics-as-capitalism. 1106164;1429666993;mircea_popescu;it's been amply documented and vastly shown to not work, one's probably better served by reading the past three centuries of various attempts. 1106165;1429666994;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu this a romanian article you're referring to ? 1106166;1429667002;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski which this ? 1106167;1429667013;pete_dushenski;the 're-write' 1106168;1429667018;mircea_popescu;no, yours. 1106169;1429667033;pete_dushenski;lol aok 1106170;1429667047;ascii_lander;just what is it that was shown not to work ? 1106171;1429667062;mircea_popescu;"it cant possibly outweigh the interests of " etc 1106172;1429667076;ascii_lander;it is like saying that meteorite does not work. for the man whose head it falls on - it 'worked.' 1106173;1429667079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00031306 = 2.7549 BTC [-] 1106174;1429667091;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander the idea that you can calculate the sum-value-in-the-future for alternative courses of actions and pick like you pick an investment 1106175;1429667096;ascii_lander;aha that 1106176;1429667109;mircea_popescu;ie, protestant ethics-as-capitalism 1106177;1429667120;ascii_lander;rawls being the most well-known offender here 1106178;1429667124;ascii_lander;but others, aha 1106179;1429667133;mircea_popescu;at least in fashionable contemporary english, sure. 1106180;1429667133;ascii_lander;revolting gasbags 1106181;1429667200;*;ascii_lander sat for a while in the tango place after mircea_popescu and hanbot went home, and reread favourite parts in ben_vulpes's copy of 'asylum', and contemplated lessons thereof 1106182;1429667210;mircea_popescu;it's squarely irrelevant "where this leads". lead it where it may, do it or don't do it on some basis other than you know, "expectations". 1106183;1429667226;mircea_popescu;all the derps pushing gaw, for instance, neglected proper causes of action because of their retarded dreams as to the future. 1106184;1429667230;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu ok so 'can't possibly' is too strong. 1106185;1429667233;mircea_popescu;it's not a very sane approach to action. 1106186;1429667246;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski no, just, the approach is meaningless. who cares what outweighs what. 1106187;1429667258;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: it is the logic of hunger. or, more to the point, of thirst. what is the logic of a stranded sailor deciding to drink sea water ? 1106188;1429667276;mircea_popescu;if some "public interest" however defines "exceeds" however defined my pleasure at cutting the bankrupt's heart, what of it ? 1106189;1429667285;mircea_popescu;until you can rail the seal from off my bond... 1106190;1429667328;mircea_popescu;"SHYLOCK: Till thou canst rail the seal from off my bond, thou but offend'st thy lungs to speak so loud: repair thy wit, good youth, or it will fall to cureless ruin. I stand here for law." 1106191;1429667330;pete_dushenski;hm ya, it's all exceedingly vague and nebulous 1106192;1429667349;pete_dushenski;so it doesn't really create anything that can be compared 1106193;1429667354;pete_dushenski;so... it's useless! 1106194;1429667378;*;pete_dushenski should know better than to compare purposes 1106195;1429667420;*;BingoBoingo makes first mint julep of the year with yard mint 1106196;1429667435;*;chatquack cheers 1106197;1429667443;mircea_popescu;!up SquirtPrincess 1106198;1429667449;mircea_popescu;mint julep best julep 1106199;1429667464;pete_dushenski;needless to say, i can see why some people would choose a "post-birth abortion" aka infanticide 1106200;1429667477;pete_dushenski;even if i wouldn't choose it myself 1106201;1429667483;mircea_popescu;i can see why people that just killed a kid would tend to represent this as a choice 1106202;1429667497;mircea_popescu;as i can see why people'd tend to represent it as no choice at all 1106203;1429667502;mircea_popescu;whatever, trauma logic. 1106204;1429667524;ascii_lander;what'd be the, alternatively, trauma-surgeon-logic ? 1106205;1429667540;ascii_lander;as in, perspective of reasonable thought outside of the trauma 1106206;1429667542;mircea_popescu;the alternative is nothing. murder's not something to be explained. 1106207;1429667550;ascii_lander;^ 1106208;1429667557;mircea_popescu;teh lion does not go into song after lightening the lioness' load. 1106209;1429667591;ascii_lander;spartan speaks with sword (tm) 1106210;1429667617;ascii_lander;(the thing where everything -has- to be explained/ratiocinated is a disease of modernity, aha) 1106211;1429667627;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu curious, do you think abortion is murder ? if so, at what point ? 1106212;1429667650;mircea_popescu;murder is a legal concept, i suppose i misspoke. 1106213;1429667651;BingoBoingo;It depends on the mother, father, and the foetus 1106214;1429667656;mircea_popescu;s/murder/*-cide/ 1106215;1429667732;pete_dushenski;that makes sense. 1106216;1429667763;pete_dushenski;actually that clarifies things quite a bit. 1106217;1429667777;mircea_popescu;During an appearance before the House Oversight Committee on April 14, Leonhart faced aggressive questioning over the punishment imposed on agents who were found to be engaging in sex parties in Colombia with prostitutes that were funded by drug cartels. Expressing displeasure that the agents were given suspensions of between two and 10 days and did not lose their positions or security clearance, Republican Rep. 1106218;1429667778;mircea_popescu;Trey Gowdy of South Carolina asked, What would it take to get fired at the DEA? The DEA agents I used to work with were worried about using their cars to pick up dry-cleaning. 1106219;1429667779;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1106220;1429668269;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1106221;1429668355;ben_vulpes;buenos noches 1106222;1429668369;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes tangoed his fill ? 1106223;1429668370;mircea_popescu;the weirdest prt being that what, you actually have to organize columbian prostitutes to fuck gringos now ? 1106224;1429668385;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: more than 1106225;1429668413;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: of course they have to be organized, l0l. as you can see, even basic whore can see radiation damage from a cannon-shot's distance. 1106226;1429668423;mircea_popescu;lol 1106227;1429668475;pete_dushenski;"Furthermore, she has retarded reactions to murder. Murder is a fact of life. It's what healthy, adult men do, exactly as much and exactly the same as having babies is what healthy, adult women do. Her reaction to murder is akin to current day bois' reaction to birth, you'd think the sky just fell over." << closest i came to digging up an 'explanation of murder' via http://trilema.com/2013/la-strada/ 1106228;1429668476;assbot;La Strada on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cXWwsJ ) 1106229;1429668543;*;ascii_lander searched for an iconic article re: how violent death is a necessary garbage collector for a healthy civilization, found it, realized that it's a nearly untranslatable ru piece 1106230;1429668571;BingoBoingo;fucking worthless pseudo-expert http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extnews/hortiscope/flowers/hllyhock.htm 1106231;1429668573;assbot;Questions On Hollyhocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1cXWJMA ) 1106232;1429668586;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you seen that film ? 1106233;1429668626;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu have not, i'm guessing that it's going on the list though! 1106234;1429668637;mircea_popescu;it's pretty good. 1106235;1429668659;ben_vulpes; re: coffee. Once you go black, you can't go back. Added benefit of $maxcaffeine per cup << you're missing so much context here i don't know that it's worth fixing 1106236;1429668682;ben_vulpes;but let's try anyways: "pragmatic coffee nerd in buenos aires" 1106237;1429668690;ben_vulpes;glhf 1106238;1429668720;ben_vulpes; oh wow. good for you. i never sleep on planes hardly. << oh man i'm going to sleep sooooo welllll 1106239;1429668729;ben_vulpes;another night of tango at least 1106240;1429668789;*;ascii_lander contemplates the tech level of the junk stores. grew up an orc, yes, but i never touched a fucking gramophone 1106241;1429668805;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105853 << you know i always get wicked child no matter how old i am 1106242;1429668805;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 17:14:27; pete_dushenski: and lemme guess, the oldest people in the room asked the four questions instead of the youngest 1106243;1429668805;mircea_popescu;haha you buying one for your antique stores ? 1106244;1429668832;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes lol atta boy. 1106245;1429668833;ascii_lander;won't buy, no. but marvelled at it. 1106246;1429668855;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105859 << imma troll the fam with this next year 1106247;1429668855;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 17:16:05; pete_dushenski: "Susannah Heschel, a well-known Jewish feminist scholar, was introduced to an early feminist Haggadah that suggested adding a crust of bread on the seder plate, as a sign of solidarity with Jewish lesbians (which was intended to convey the idea that there’s as much room for a lesbian in Judaism as there is for a crust of bread on the seder plate)." 1106248;1429668866;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo would appreciate the fella who was selling, among many other things of this flavour: the back half of a Luger. 1106249;1429668867;ben_vulpes;perhaps i even stay for something past the ceremonial pre-sunset whiskeys next year too 1106250;1429668869;ben_vulpes;WHO KNOWS 1106251;1429668907;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: also had something recognizable as a schmeisser mag 1106252;1429668908;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes then you come out of the closet ? 1106253;1429668926;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105886 << for better or worse top posting is now required to interact with gmail users 1106254;1429668926;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 18:53:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105803 << because they don't know how to use email. a) they top answer ; b) they add all that signature spam. 1106255;1429668936;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: in a country where apparently no one shoots recreationally, these were peculiar sights 1106256;1429668993;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105904 << soaked in fernet? 1106257;1429668993;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 19:07:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105868 << i think it's time the republic starts oppressing teh jews like any real country. how about, forcing them to add a slice of black forest cake to the seder. 1106258;1429669030;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105918 << me too 1106259;1429669030;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 19:26:27; *: lobbes now feels compelled to read flour labels before buying 1106260;1429669083;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105923 << nono this is entirely bass ackwards. those children should be born as apparently defective as possible. 1106261;1429669083;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 19:28:57; mircea_popescu: but for the record : the case for dosing women, especially the sort likely to have kids unexpectedly (young, addicted, poor) and the sort likely to be depleted (oyung, addicted, poor) is extremely compelling. 1106262;1429669091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19624 @ 0.00032633 = 6.4039 BTC [+] {3} 1106263;1429669097;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes why ? 1106264;1429669122;ben_vulpes;too many people already! 1106265;1429669128;mircea_popescu;so ? 1106266;1429669142;mircea_popescu;i don't think i ever met a girl i actually liked whose parents were not poor. 1106267;1429669148;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: this is how you get usa. just as crowded, but with cthonian horrors walking around, instead of pretty gurlz 1106268;1429669152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16298 @ 0.00032696 = 5.3288 BTC [+] 1106269;1429669159;ben_vulpes;hm 1106270;1429669186;ben_vulpes;well a) your taste in girlie lineage isn't relevant to the discussion 1106271;1429669201;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: substitute your own, see if answer differs 1106272;1429669209;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1106273;1429669221;ben_vulpes;you'll find plenty you like from poor parents who accidentally got all the nutrition they need 1106274;1429669236;mircea_popescu;more trustworthy brothers to be had among the children of whores than among the children of whatever, "women in tech" 1106275;1429669260;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: WHich half of it? 1106276;1429669271;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: ? 1106277;1429669287;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: you're plenty familiar with the quality of usa girls 1106278;1429669312;ben_vulpes;is propping the market up really doing anyone any favors? 1106279;1429669316;ben_vulpes;iodized salt? 1106280;1429669335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00032855 = 5.3882 BTC [+] 1106281;1429669348;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: the thing that blew me away (ben_vulpes saw, but putting it here for the permanent record) was the difference in faces. 1106282;1429669352;mircea_popescu;there's not actually anything wrong with iodized salt. 1106283;1429669356;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1105966 << good for you - suck the beast dry 1106284;1429669356;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 00:35:49; *: BingoBoingo finally filed his annual IRS papers this week. Another 0 tax year. 1106285;1429669404;ascii_lander;in usa perhaps 1 in 10 20-30y.o. females has the face of a human being, rather than a malignant motorized plastic doll 1106286;1429669408;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Only filed because necessary to certify with USG 0 payments on stafford loan repayment plan. Can only tolerate so much phone spam 1106287;1429669411;ascii_lander;here, perhaps 19/20 1106288;1429669448;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander how does that work ? 1106289;1429669469;ascii_lander;how it works? damned if i know 1106290;1429669476;trinque;really depends on the city 1106291;1429669477;ascii_lander;but this is my observation which i will sign under. 1106292;1429669483;trinque;tons of beautiful women in austin, tx 1106293;1429669489;ascii_lander;applies to everywhere i've set foot in. 1106294;1429669495;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1105993 << all of my people know how to reach me 1106295;1429669495;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 00:54:00; ascii_lander: betcha somebody got the traditional 'ransom scam' for instance. 1106296;1429669497;ascii_lander;(east coast usa) 1106297;1429669519;mircea_popescu;what's this "malignant motorized plastic doll" look ? 1106298;1429669551;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: hard to describe if you don't already know 1106299;1429669558;BingoBoingo;This year experimenting with expanding the side gig from lawn mowing to lawn mowing and de-orcing front gardens. liking results so far. 1106300;1429669560;ascii_lander;need better artist than i 1106301;1429669566;mircea_popescu;link some examples ? 1106302;1429669567;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what they look like before a year of real food 1106303;1429669570;ascii_lander;'describe the face of an angry dog' 1106304;1429669588;ben_vulpes;i don't have any, 'cuz port towns lend 1106305;1429669593;trinque;ascii_lander: female fox news anchor? 1106306;1429669609;ascii_lander;trinque: approximately. except that it's attenuated for the camera 1106307;1429669640;ascii_lander;trinque: to get a picture of this face, you more or less have to be an unremarkable male civilian with a camera built into your nostril. 1106308;1429669659;ascii_lander;if someone issues me a nostril cam, i promise to take this photo when i come home. 1106309;1429669666;trinque;lol 1106310;1429669670;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: My hypothesis is the particular type of birth control pill which is trendy now. Definitely an effect on skin though, more... textured latex look shits the girls between 17-20, rather sudden onset. 1106311;1429669689;mircea_popescu;what do they use ? 1106312;1429669710;trinque;surely BsAs chicks are on the pill in similar proportions 1106313;1429669716;BingoBoingo;As always a mix of things, but progesterone-only mixes are very popular. 1106314;1429669716;trinque;probably even have a fancy govt thing to get it from 1106315;1429669731;BingoBoingo;trinque: There's so many varieties of chemical called progesterone. 1106316;1429669738;mircea_popescu;trinque actually abortion is illegal in argentina. 1106317;1429669762;trinque;mircea_popescu: hah! I wouldn't have guessed 1106318;1429669779;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo afaik combos are still the bulk used everywhere. 1106319;1429669812;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But progesterone only is "great for acne" hence exceedily popular in overweight America 1106320;1429669826;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1106020 << let the permanent record show permanently that i got started "programming" with cnc strange and motoman ladder logic 1106321;1429669826;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 01:01:26; ascii_lander: (cnc is a fairly legit variant of what we understand as 'programming') 1106322;1429669837;mircea_popescu;it's not, is it ? 1106323;1429669889;mircea_popescu;anyway, afaik a typical pill is 0.050mg desogestrel (DSG) + 0.035mg etinilestradiol(EE) / 0.100mg DSG + 0.030mg EE / 0.150mg DSG + 0.030mg EE / dextrose. 1106324;1429669930;ascii_lander;incidentally, is there a canonical mircea_popescu article re: the pill psycho-reversal thing ? 1106325;1429669937;ascii_lander;or was that an al schwartz piece 1106326;1429669946;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Depends. When I was TA'ing pharm school there was noise that combo pills with estrogen included presented health risks in the form of exciting ER positive breast cancer and "blood clot promotion". 1106327;1429669954;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander moar detail ? 1106328;1429669965;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: the mega-boojum of the bc pill 1106329;1429669974;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: recall the t-shirt study ? 1106330;1429669975;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo afaik never really substantiated. 1106331;1429670030;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Never really substantiated yes, but 'Murican courts have a "chilling effect" so... progesterone only promoted under guise of acne control. 1106332;1429670038;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: the one where women in differing parts of cycle were attracted to proximate histocompatibility-pattern males (prefers 'related' during pregnancy) and distant mhc. during ovulation (prefers 'unrelated' to avoid recessive zap) 1106333;1429670044;mircea_popescu;except it's not really very good. but w/e. 1106334;1429670060;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander i think there was one, lettuce see 1106335;1429670061;BingoBoingo;Eh, that's what the "Hope Clinic" is for 1106336;1429670077;BingoBoingo;;;google hope clinic 1106337;1429670078;gribble;Hope Clinic Home - Ypsilanti: ; The Hope Clinics - Seattle: ; HOPE Clinic - Houston: 1106338;1429670090;BingoBoingo;;;google hope clinic granite city 1106339;1429670092;gribble;The Hope Clinic for Women, Ltd.: ; Abortion Fees - The Hope Clinic for Women, Ltd.: ; Contact Us - The Hope Clinic for Women, Ltd.: 1106340;1429670095;ascii_lander;and so basic pattern is, people marry, and it's time for the offspring, woman goes off the pill, and - zap. no more attraction to the male 1106341;1429670115;ascii_lander;because they met while the mhc toggle was flipped. 1106342;1429670135;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1106343;1429670159;*;BingoBoingo personally never understood why implanon et al were never more popular than they are 1106344;1429670170;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/ ? 1106345;1429670171;assbot;That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cY0XDO ) 1106346;1429670189;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: quoted item applies to -all- hormonal bc mechanisms 1106347;1429670194;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander tbh, that's drastically overstated. 1106348;1429670212;mircea_popescu;the reason zap no more attraction is that people by and large suck, and you don't want to be stuck with them. 1106349;1429670213;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: if it were brick-in-the-face obvious, folks might notice. 1106350;1429670234;ascii_lander;just as if one cig gave you cancer next day 1106351;1429670234;mircea_popescu;and it'd appear everywhere except for portland, the cultural notion ofwhat marriage is pretty much is constructed so it won't work. 1106352;1429670249;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: Sure, addressing other positives... easy for partner to verify by light touch of the arm... extended cycle... 1106353;1429670259;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: verify?! 1106354;1429670283;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: Implanon and its ilk go into the subcutaneous fat. easily palpated 1106355;1429670290;BingoBoingo;brb 1106356;1429670297;mircea_popescu;btw, i was watching some derps getting in ben_vulpes' way at a milonga today, and omfg are the gringos ridiculous. i dunno if anyone here knows how to tango, but the idea is you drive the woman. 1106357;1429670303;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: are we also to propose verifying woman not stabbing you while you sleep? and if so, how ? 1106358;1429670310;mircea_popescu;this dude was holding on to her arm like he was going to drown i nthe floor 1106359;1429670320;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: By waking with lack of new orfices 1106360;1429670345;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: point was, at some point you trust the parachute 1106361;1429670356;BingoBoingo;Sure 1106362;1429670362;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: there is not a spare parachute for the spare parachute of the spare parachute. 1106363;1429670412;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: l0l 1106364;1429670423;ascii_lander;and after mircea_popescu left, that dude drowned in the floor 1106365;1429670432;ascii_lander;when the woman let go 1106366;1429670435;mircea_popescu;what rly ? 1106367;1429670444;ascii_lander;or perhaps he didn't. i didn't stick around long enough 1106368;1429670445;ben_vulpes;and after ascii_lander left, ben_vulpes got intimidated off the floor 1106369;1429670447;ascii_lander;can only suppose. 1106370;1429670460;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the advanced class started ? 1106371;1429670466;ascii_lander;i went back to $lander to drown in floor there. 1106372;1429670470;ascii_lander;sorta half way in now. 1106373;1429670473;ben_vulpes;7pm "todos nieveles" is not 9pm "todos nieveles" 1106374;1429670487;mircea_popescu;(ftr i was kind-of chuckling to myself the other day when you were derping about how you want to lead bla bla. you couldn't possibly have been that good, i thought.) 1106375;1429670540;ben_vulpes;mwell imma take that as a compliement 1106376;1429670557;ben_vulpes;compliment* 1106377;1429670607;mircea_popescu;how ? 1106378;1429670617;ben_vulpes;:( 1106379;1429670622;mircea_popescu;awww! 1106380;1429670698;ben_vulpes; [00:40] (no one owns anything, not even own pathetic carcass) << http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/LifeTrac there is yet hope 1106381;1429670699;assbot;LifeTrac - Open Source Ecology ... ( http://bit.ly/1cY2wl7 ) 1106382;1429670731;ben_vulpes;leading is maybe a thing one is tuned for but it is not a thing one "does" without lots of work 1106383;1429670746;ben_vulpes;maybe next year i go to the 9pm todos nieveles session 1106384;1429670753;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: Spare parachutes are always good, but some times you have to plan to win the game of civil court 1106385;1429670778;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: 'the only winning move is not to play' (™) ® 'war games' 1106386;1429670829;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: Well next month I'll have a better idea if I was made to win criminal law. Still kinda perturbed recon_eric didn't try harder... 1106387;1429670830;*;ascii_lander wonders how ben_vulpes could have been intimidated by those folks he was wiping the floor with 1106388;1429670835;BingoBoingo;!up recon_eric 1106389;1429670856;recon_eric;Guess I'd have to care more to try harder =P 1106390;1429670883;recon_eric;I hated bullshit tasks like that 1106391;1429670898;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: mebbe i shoulda stuck around and been the derp in the room for the second session, but my sugar high from mister_p's icecreamstravaganza'd worn off at that point and all the phrienz had left 1106392;1429670915;ben_vulpes;i'll probably do like 4 hours tomorrow night 1106393;1429670919;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: are you still parked near there, with the suitcase nuke ? 1106394;1429670921;BingoBoingo;recon_eric: I could have probably saved 10-50k easily from your scamming childhood friend, but then again I may have had to pay taxes... 1106395;1429670952;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: roll in enough dough to take and run with 1106396;1429670960;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: did not actually carry nuke around today, just matching desert eagles 1106397;1429670966;ascii_lander;aha 1106398;1429670981;ascii_lander;so ben_vulpes is probably within 20 metres, l0l 1106399;1429670987;ben_vulpes;myeah 1106400;1429670991;ben_vulpes;hoping for a reasonable bedtime for once 1106401;1429670997;ascii_lander;l0l sleep 1106402;1429671001;ascii_lander;who sleeps. 1106403;1429671005;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: Wouldn't it have been grand to have the chance. 10-50k would have been so much rocket fuel on a Bingo-Budget 1106404;1429671012;ben_vulpes;!h 1106405;1429671012;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1106406;1429671017;williamdunne;!s cuckold 1106407;1429671018;assbot;8 results for 'cuckold' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cuckold 1106408;1429671032;recon_eric;Sorry BingoBoingo .... I hope he faces the consequences for his actions. He's still trying to scam more people =\ https://hashtalk.org/topic/36879/paybase-2/2 1106409;1429671033;assbot;HashTalk - Ideas, Talk, and Hardware - Bitcoin & Scrypt Mining ... ( http://bit.ly/1cY3kXc ) 1106410;1429671039;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot williamdunne 1106411;1429671040;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/williamdunne | http://w.b-a.link/user/williamdunne 1106412;1429671053;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105412 1106413;1429671053;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 09:41:05; cazalla: williamdunne, maybe they touched swords long ago and recon_eric hoped by eating garza's shit on top of it, he'd keep quiet about that time they, you know, did their thing 1106414;1429671070;ascii_lander;re: cuckolds: 1106415;1429671080;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105416 1106416;1429671080;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 09:44:07; cazalla: recon_eric, pretty sure garza was banging amber as well tbh, what with the constant text messages and shit 1106417;1429671081;*;ascii_lander wonders who will be the first fella to get a 'dear john' telegram while at a trilema meetup 1106418;1429671085;ben_vulpes;hey kakobrekla talk to mike and get the appropriate links dialed into assbot pwetty pwease? eg http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=williamdunne 1106419;1429671086;assbot;WoT Trust - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1cY3wG3 ) 1106420;1429671112;BingoBoingo;recon_eric: Honestly holds as little interest of mine as a zoo animal. Josh is only interesting at the points where he almost touches real persons. 1106421;1429671151;williamdunne;recon_eric: Thread might be worth reading that I linked 1106422;1429671162;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: imho garza et al are about as interesting as, e.g., buruli ulcer. 1106423;1429671170;ascii_lander;which is to say very, if you're afflicted 1106424;1429671190;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander, mircea_popescu: you know, wot solves the buenos aires black market labor problem too 1106425;1429671230;ben_vulpes;i am probably late to this party as well 1106426;1429671254;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: Chives that escape containement do not mortally endanger yards in my care, but they interest me. 1106427;1429671255;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: i think he was looking for (or at least didactically portraying) conveyor men, not programmers. 1106428;1429671270;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: as i understand there are no programmers here 1106429;1429671276;ascii_lander;we will have to learn new profession. 1106430;1429671310;BingoBoingo;Oh shit, and I was starting to python decent without dead trees next to computing monitor 1106431;1429671314;ascii_lander;and l0l, i don't even remember how to program any more (at least in the traditional sense where someone gives you a spec & pays) 1106432;1429671360;williamdunne;ascii_lander: Use Node and 7 frameworks, apparently 1106433;1429671383;ascii_lander;williamdunne: this is only vaguely meaningful in my head. 1106434;1429671398;*;BingoBoingo would like to see a WordPress 2.X replacement in SBCL 1106435;1429671425;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: would you also like to see a vietnamese water buffalo replacement that runs on jp-A ? 1106436;1429671441;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: actually... yeah 1106437;1429671458;ascii_lander;not everything is a category that ought to be replaced and live 1106438;1429671459;BingoBoingo;I would love a pack animal that runs on Jet-A 1106439;1429671464;ben_vulpes;http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417155/wisconsins-shame-i-thought-it-was-home-invasion-david-french << induced a product idea: video camera that streams to bulletproof storage 1106440;1429671465;assbot;Wisconsin's Shame: ‘I Thought It Was a Home Invasion’ | National Review Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1cY4yBO ) 1106441;1429671475;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: robert heinlein thought of it 1st 1106442;1429671486;ben_vulpes;so? 1106443;1429671489;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: hint hint - everyone who needs this - has. 1106444;1429671517;ben_vulpes;no, fuck "needs". 1106445;1429671519;ascii_lander;and if you have it, and it isn't obvious, then it doesn't work. 1106446;1429671525;ascii_lander;like nuke deterrent. 1106447;1429671527;trinque;BingoBoingo: https://github.com/redline6561/coleslaw 1106448;1429671528;assbot;redline6561/coleslaw · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1cY4K48 ) 1106449;1429671537;trinque;common lisp static site generator 1106450;1429671538;ben_vulpes;the point is to make it so painfully impossible for this to happent to ordinary mortals that the bastards can't pull this kind of stunt anymore. 1106451;1429671560;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Wisconsin situation had an easier solution... Disclosure when contacted by LeX as per http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ 1106452;1429671562;assbot;A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1cY4Qsw ) 1106453;1429671574;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: thing is, doesn't work unless you are holed up in fuhrerbunker 24/7 1106454;1429671587;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Alternatively people need to start shooting so that its too risky for them to continue running into houses 1106455;1429671596;ascii_lander;if it becomes known that you've cemented a toiletcam into every brick in your house - you will be beaten and arrested/'shot on escape' elsewhere 1106456;1429671599;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: kind of a nonstarter. 1106457;1429671609;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: they go after der boxen. 1106458;1429671623;ben_vulpes;house entry is a terror tactic, not actually performing research. 1106459;1429671639;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: if you have something of actual value on these - pull the pin. 1106460;1429671649;ben_vulpes;how would they know though 1106461;1429671660;ben_vulpes;they are the most derpy of derps. 1106462;1429671666;ascii_lander;i mean, when the battering ram crashes through 1106463;1429671674;ascii_lander;then - pull the pin, what else. 1106464;1429671682;*;BingoBoingo would like girls with Yugo SKS, nato grenade combo 1106465;1429671690;ben_vulpes;pulling the pin does nothing to humiliate everyone involved. 1106466;1429671694;ben_vulpes;in painstaking detail. 1106467;1429671711;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Pin activates thermite, thermite brings liberty 1106468;1429671717;ascii_lander;how does ending on on 'youtube' humiliate the thugs? 1106469;1429671728;ascii_lander;they love exposure. can terrorize 1000 people instead of 1 1106470;1429671745;ascii_lander;the only useful application would be to avoid 'nailgunning' 1106471;1429671746;ben_vulpes;in courtroom. 1106472;1429671754;ascii_lander;l0lr00m 1106473;1429671754;ben_vulpes;also pill against nailgunning. 1106474;1429671763;ben_vulpes;'pill' 1106475;1429671773;BingoBoingo;COurtroom is zoo pen at best, county far at worst 1106476;1429671799;ascii_lander;at any rate, if anyone here does not have -some- variant of this in place, now would be the time to make arrangements. 1106477;1429671801;ben_vulpes;and if the things are incredibly low cost and easily hidden, the unknowability of where its deployed makes people start to think multiple times. 1106478;1429671836;ascii_lander;tip: avoid powering with obvious wires. 1106479;1429671843;ben_vulpes;especially if their names end up rather publically attached to such actions. 1106480;1429671849;ben_vulpes;"we know where you live" (tm) 1106481;1429671862;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: does the name lon horiuchi ring a bell ? 1106482;1429671873;ben_vulpes; BingoBoingo: https://github.com/redline6561/coleslaw << heh neat 1106483;1429671874;assbot;redline6561/coleslaw · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DbTaHx ) 1106484;1429671880;BingoBoingo;bastard file + aluminum can = half of thermite, bastard file + rustocalypse + other half. Triggering is your problem 1106485;1429671896;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: trinque Git, kinda a dealbreaker. 1106486;1429671899;ascii_lander;i learned his name many years ago, shortly after the thing that made him famous. what of it. he wasn't, afaik, lynched 1106487;1429671909;ascii_lander;and all legal avenues failed 1106488;1429671910;ben_vulpes;there was no serenissima then 1106489;1429671911;trinque;ben_vulpes: I've been writing quite a bit of it myself lately 1106490;1429671913;ascii_lander;to no one's great surprise 1106491;1429671919;trinque;CL that is 1106492;1429671923;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: why u no git? 1106493;1429671928;ben_vulpes;and trinque: why u CL? 1106494;1429671956;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: git has an unacceptabru weakest link to constitute improvament 1106495;1429671958;trinque;ben_vulpes: drives a little device I'm fielding to let the kitchens increase prep time on orders 1106496;1429671966;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1106497;1429671969;williamdunne;!up ascii_lander 1106498;1429671970;trinque;has a dial and a shitty lcd screen 1106499;1429671981;trinque;good for queso-covered fingers 1106500;1429671987;ben_vulpes;trinque: ha! neat 1106501;1429671994;ben_vulpes;trinque: you should bring the thinger down south 1106502;1429672004;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: there was no serenissima then << even today, serenissima cannot exterminate so much as a case of mice. yet 1106503;1429672010;ben_vulpes;yet. 1106504;1429672022;ben_vulpes;i'd have us be prepared. 1106505;1429672025;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeah I wouldn't mind 1106506;1429672035;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: that did not parse. 1106507;1429672076;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: git's pinacle of security is https, WP killer demands moar 1106508;1429672084;ben_vulpes;it's actually ssh. 1106509;1429672104;*;BingoBoingo not most attentive to linus drools 1106510;1429672123;ben_vulpes;k so research first then, derp about my toolset later 1106511;1429672147;trinque;git's fine 1106512;1429672149;BingoBoingo; ben_vulpes: there was no serenissima then << even today, serenissima cannot exterminate so much as a case of mice. yet << Serenisima protected a cat last week from larger predator... 1106513;1429672161;trinque;the git command's pretty arcane, but the data model's relatively straightforward 1106514;1429672163;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: and last year let a cat starve 1106515;1429672170;trinque;just a derpy key value store where the keys are hashes 1106516;1429672186;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: But as ascii_lander posed it, the victory is what was killed 1106517;1429672200;ben_vulpes;there was no honor in the kittens demise. 1106518;1429672237;BingoBoingo;Oh, kittens didn't die. A -redacted- met the spade 1106519;1429672244;ben_vulpes;you recall the scottish kitten? 1106520;1429672253;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: moiety? 1106521;1429672257;ben_vulpes;aha 1106522;1429672296;ascii_lander;yes. that one. 1106523;1429672300;ben_vulpes; [01:19] ascii_lander meanwhile i'm like, "yeah totally, go read trilema tomorrow." << precisely my point 1106524;1429672302;ascii_lander;RIP moiety 1106525;1429672308;ben_vulpes;RIP moiety 1106526;1429672314;BingoBoingo;RIP moiety 1106527;1429672331;ascii_lander;i picked up and played with a small moiety earlier today, in the cemetary 1106528;1429672345;ben_vulpes;i'll buy her a great big fuck off box in recolata after victory 1106529;1429672345;ascii_lander;they have them running around, there are dishes with food. 1106530;1429672357;ben_vulpes;redactoleta i mean 1106531;1429672396;ascii_lander;the small moiety sqeaked, purred 1106532;1429672432;ben_vulpes; [01:21] in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/2e4abde700722943b58acc7eb4b2b8a9/tumblr_ncmjn3Ymmz1tmc6gao6_r1_400.gif << i think this is the first mircea_popescu link where the gurl's apparently winning to untrained eyes 1106533;1429672433;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DbU5Yl ) 1106534;1429672460;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no, it does not, because the locals are either mentally retarded or mentally ill. 1106535;1429672486;mircea_popescu;before you can have good tools, you need the orcs developed enough to use them. 1106536;1429672499;mircea_popescu;imagine arming the mongol horde with ak-47s only to discover they use it as a club. 1106537;1429672506;ben_vulpes;i suppose implicit is the importing of staff 1106538;1429672515;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: mosin was a club quite often. 1106539;1429672516;ben_vulpes;(st4ph) 1106540;1429672534;mircea_popescu;yeah but mosin sucked. 1106541;1429672552;ben_vulpes; [01:31] just like the 'best car' << "cultures that do not cherish the young mother perish", and we want this for la serenissima? 1106542;1429672563;mircea_popescu; not everything is a category that ought to be replaced and live << very much this. 1106543;1429672568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00032966 = 7.714 BTC [+] {2} 1106544;1429672576;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: But the cat was saved because shelter it takes on day one of 10 day rotation was occupied on day 9 by a [canine/avian/reptilian] and trespasser was dispatched. 1106545;1429672582;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: only pointing out that i, for example, would rather eat nagant than raise offspring 1106546;1429672589;mircea_popescu;there's really no further point for most of ba's population. alf likes the women, some light industry (cooks, etc) are salavageable, 1106547;1429672605;mircea_popescu;but by and large these derps are about as needed as any black african from africa. 1106548;1429672612;mircea_popescu;the sooner they go the way of malaria, the better. 1106549;1429672623;ben_vulpes;kind of my point 1106550;1429672638;ascii_lander;come now, who is to be the worker bee in the hive ? 1106551;1429672654;mircea_popescu; like nuke deterrent. << no, he has a point. the footage is valuable. 1106552;1429672657;BingoBoingo; the sooner they go the way of malaria, the better. << falcipram? 1106553;1429672666;*;ascii_lander really does like them 1106554;1429672681;ben_vulpes;so go out and talk to them! 1106555;1429672687;mircea_popescu;but by and large im with williamdunne on this : if what it takes to force the usg into abject surrender is turning suburbia into iraq, fucking turn suburbia into iraq. 1106556;1429672701;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: too high tech for my illiterate mind 1106557;1429672714;ben_vulpes;fistful of tacks, i know 1106558;1429672718;ascii_lander;^ 1106559;1429672734;ben_vulpes;all tech though is learnable 1106560;1429672741;ben_vulpes;you're just lazy and i think possibly scared 1106561;1429672741;mircea_popescu;that simple policy : no groups allowed on this property. enforced with guns. 1106562;1429672749;mircea_popescu;let them try and get around it. as the costs baloon they will give up. 1106563;1429672752;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: The men bursting through doors are men like any other, if they think they will be met with a chestful of lead they are going to want a little more compensation for doing their job.. 1106564;1429672768;ben_vulpes;ascii_lander: i understand, the actual nuke-carriers chased me off the floor tonight. 1106565;1429672778;ben_vulpes;but someday(!) i'll have their ears 'pon me necklace 1106566;1429672787;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: 'lazy' is not quite the word. imagine you grew up without ever interacting with cars in any way other than jumping out from under the wheels of a speeding semi every other day. 1106567;1429672805;BingoBoingo;Who wouldn't want to give process servers a bit of disincentive, right recon_eric ? 1106568;1429672829;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes there's a subtle difference re "young mothers". serenissima is an elective thing. you don't get born into it, quite specifically. 1106569;1429672877;ben_vulpes;no clearly, but the young can be set upon the road much more early can they not? 1106570;1429672885;ascii_lander;williamdunne: … if they think they will be met with a chestful of lead they are going to want a little more compensation for doing their job.. << this is part of the process of how we got the 'no-knock warrant.' the next step is, of course, the 'shoot-first' warrant. 1106571;1429672889;ascii_lander;we will get there. 1106572;1429672901;BingoBoingo; all tech though is learnable << Not to all people. The engineering students who failed at video conferencing as the other part of my pharmacy school TA pairing. 1106573;1429672905;BingoBoingo;Maybe the beatings were too few? 1106574;1429672914;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i have no idea. maybe. you think ? 1106575;1429672919;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: 'twas directed at ascii_lander 1106576;1429672931;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i do intend to run the assperiment 1106577;1429672943;ascii_lander;assperiment ? 1106578;1429672945;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: But applies everywhere 1106579;1429672953;mircea_popescu;how does it go ? "honey, you're sixteen now, time to go be a whore in hong kong" ? 1106580;1429672956;ben_vulpes;i suspect the odds are something abhorrent like 1/10 in each event 1106581;1429672966;williamdunne;ascii_lander: There cannot be infinite escalation, and I would bet on the police being on the losing end. Shoot first warrants would end up with the neighbours making potshots at the police 1106582;1429672982;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander nothing wrong with the "no knock" warrant. the point of escalation is escalation. 1106583;1429672985;mircea_popescu;fucking shoot them. 1106584;1429672991;ascii_lander;williamdunne: pot shots at the police are not compatible with glass-house civilization. 1106585;1429673002;mircea_popescu;obviously. 1106586;1429673006;ben_vulpes;if whoring is what she's bound to do she'll go into it well knowledgeable of the various optimizations to be made 1106587;1429673007;ascii_lander;folks who need daily deliveries of $everything - won't be shooting at anyone. 1106588;1429673016;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how is this bound thing go ? 1106589;1429673032;ben_vulpes;peonage? 1106590;1429673044;ben_vulpes;you tell me, you actually do the binding 1106591;1429673052;mircea_popescu;use numerous words rather than have me guess. uh... 1106592;1429673067;mircea_popescu;wait, so basically your plan is "whatever, i'll feed her, maybe she meets some guy that trains her" ? 1106593;1429673070;ben_vulpes;why though is going off to whore necessary? 1106594;1429673080;mircea_popescu;for teh experience, i imagined. 1106595;1429673085;*;BingoBoingo offers that coyote hindquarters grill out to between 2-3 times the size of roid'd up 'Murican chikken thighs 1106596;1429673089;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: the essential thing to realize is that mircea_popescu-ine methods only work with mircea_popescu-ine tech leve 1106597;1429673090;ascii_lander;l 1106598;1429673110;ascii_lander;and that attempting them elsewhere may disappoint, like trying to create doped diamond semiconductor in edison's lab 1106599;1429673117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00032708 = 9.518 BTC [-] {3} 1106600;1429673117;mircea_popescu;i certainly do not propose i am in possession of answers to the world's problems. 1106601;1429673130;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER! I do have some pretty good questions. 1106602;1429673131;ben_vulpes;one does not train daughters in the way one trains wives and girlfriends. 1106603;1429673143;mircea_popescu;so then what's an assperiment ? 1106604;1429673147;ben_vulpes;while there are parallels, they as all must pick their masters. 1106605;1429673150;ben_vulpes;a derpy pun! 1106606;1429673158;ben_vulpes;#bitcoin-assets 1106607;1429673167;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "i'll feed her and we'll see" plan is not really all that bad. 1106608;1429673172;BingoBoingo;How much malbec is ben_vulpes's score tonight? 1106609;1429673181;*;ascii_lander knows of no other algos that make any sense for this 1106610;1429673191;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 1106611;1429673195;ben_vulpes;worked for me 1106612;1429673215;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: do you want to count the whole day's titration? 1106613;1429673226;*;ascii_lander actually had nothing alcoholic today 1106614;1429673226;ben_vulpes;anyways, at no point did my BAC approach anything interesting. 1106615;1429673238;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes anyway, the problem of women, by and large, is that they're naturally afraid and most environments encourage this and bring them up cowardly. 1106616;1429673240;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Total + hours is how I usually self-assess 1106617;1429673245;*;ascii_lander was keeping brain working in reserve for… something. 1106618;1429673252;mircea_popescu;a whore's just that : a symbol for "fearless woman". 1106619;1429673255;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: shouldn't it be total/hours? 1106620;1429673280;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Nah, + because alliteration with party 1106621;1429673288;ben_vulpes;#bitcoin-parenting 1106622;1429673319;mircea_popescu; they love exposure. can terrorize 1000 people instead of 1 << this is false, ftr. 1106623;1429673325;BingoBoingo;The / is a differnet metric ben_vulpes 1106624;1429673341;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: how's that 1106625;1429673343;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "fearless" is what i seek to instill. 1106626;1429673362;BingoBoingo;The / is how drunk you are, The + is cumulative party value 1106627;1429673377;ben_vulpes; [01:49] !up SquirtPrincess << she's probably going to get more out of this than that indianchocolate 1106628;1429673386;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: aha 1106629;1429673404;*;ascii_lander realizes that he still has a full bag of hundies 1106630;1429673404;ben_vulpes;well call it 1.25 liters and 8 hours 1106631;1429673407;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander do you suppose the german concentration camps "terrorized" anyone ? 1106632;1429673419;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: nope because wasn't build for it 1106633;1429673436;BingoBoingo;Now there are derived metrics ben_vulpes that can be used to score time, value, and Xtreme of party ben_vulpes 1106634;1429673440;ascii_lander;it wasn't a public impalement in the proper eurasian tradition 1106635;1429673447;ascii_lander;*built 1106636;1429673489;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander but they were put on the youtube of that time 1106637;1429673498;ascii_lander;umm wat no. 1106638;1429673500;mircea_popescu;who in the reich went "great, now terrorizes 1000 instead of 1" 1106639;1429673515;ascii_lander;no they weren't 1106640;1429673523;mircea_popescu;how do you then know of them ? 1106641;1429673531;ascii_lander;come on, 'nacht und nebel' etc 1106642;1429673536;mircea_popescu;no, after. 1106643;1429673538;ascii_lander;we know from the post-war derpage 1106644;1429673541;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1106645;1429673547;mircea_popescu;this is what this is : the usg has been defeated. 1106646;1429673553;mircea_popescu;now we are doing the post-war derpage. 1106647;1429673561;ascii_lander;for a dead horse, it still gallops rather well. 1106648;1429673569;mircea_popescu;the reich did too. 1106649;1429673582;ascii_lander;or is the algo 1) get killed messily by usg 2) while camera rolls 3) ??? 4) profit 1106650;1429673597;ascii_lander;i think i can probably manage 1 and 2 1106651;1429673599;mircea_popescu;actually, if it hadn't had all its industry destroyed and a desperate want of money, it'd have continued practically unabated. 1106652;1429673603;ascii_lander;but someone else will need to do 3 and 4 1106653;1429673605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00033245 = 7.6131 BTC [+] {3} 1106654;1429673610;mircea_popescu;the usg has similarly had all its industry destroyed and is entirely out of money. 1106655;1429673621;ascii_lander;it isn't out of slaves yet 1106656;1429673628;mircea_popescu;neither was the reich, in 1949 1106657;1429673633;mircea_popescu;heck, the even built a wall! 1106658;1429673641;ascii_lander;the one genuinely convertible wealth 1106659;1429673664;ascii_lander;that wall would still be standing if there weren't a 'pepsi' competing reich to poke at it 1106660;1429673669;BingoBoingo; this is what this is : the usg has been defeated. << Last I checked Will Smith was still president 1106661;1429673672;mircea_popescu;but as to the subject of "slaves" : turns out the dea agents exist to go to parties in columbia and steal the stashes of bitcoin the usms was "auctioning" 1106662;1429673677;mircea_popescu;ya know ? doesn't sound like much slaves to me. 1106663;1429673681;mircea_popescu;more like odoacer slavery. 1106664;1429673708;ascii_lander;the folks with the keys are the actual rulers, 'news at eleven' 1106665;1429673754;ben_vulpes; i think i can probably manage 1 and 2 << this though is the point 1106666;1429673762;ben_vulpes;if one and two are to happen to one, at least ensure three and four 1106667;1429673778;ascii_lander;3 is ??? though. 1106668;1429673788;mircea_popescu; ben_vulpes: there was no serenissima then << even today, serenissima cannot exterminate so much as a case of mice. yet << yeah, tell that to poor derpopo. 1106669;1429673796;ben_vulpes;three only included for symmetry 1106670;1429673798;BingoBoingo;!up recon_eric What's your liquid like? Homeowner? I'm kinda a savant when it comes to pointing at mexicans. 1106671;1429673840;BingoBoingo;!up OldBenjamin 1106672;1429673845;mircea_popescu; BingoBoingo: and last year let a cat starve << that cat wouldn't eat. 1106673;1429673860;ben_vulpes;wait i thought she was on payroll 1106674;1429673868;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Coyote also doesn't taste bad 1106675;1429673876;ben_vulpes;may i inquire as to the terms of that contract? 1106676;1429673879;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_lander 1106677;1429673885;ascii_lander;danke ben_vulpes 1106678;1429673907;ben_vulpes;bitte ascii_lander 1106679;1429673915;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: She was on payroll and left reservation to maintain lifesupport on ventures that ought to dry 1106680;1429673916;ascii_lander;wouldn't eat? 1106681;1429673921;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://33.media.tumblr.com/a423a5c63dcb18f25e02418a90ceaddd/tumblr_ncmjn3Ymmz1tmc6gao8_r1_400.gif apparent winning doth not last. 1106682;1429673922;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DbWt1e ) 1106683;1429673928;ben_vulpes;(ascii_lander: is that an actual tab?!) 1106684;1429673961;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: stray tab 1106685;1429673973;mircea_popescu; ben_vulpes: only pointing out that i, for example, would rather eat nagant than raise offspring << suppose pet lets you in on her secret : she's pregnant. what now ? 1106686;1429674010;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: suppose lets in on secret that she was usg mole all along also. 1106687;1429674018;ascii_lander;suppose xxxxx. 1106688;1429674032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00033314 = 3.0815 BTC [+] {2} 1106689;1429674041;ascii_lander;'and what if the truck had been carrying ammo?' (™) ® © my father 1106690;1429674043;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes she got a small advance to do some bits of work, turned out she needed more to live off, but it wasn't really enough, she decided that the process which found her the place to stay in the first place couldn't possibly work to keep her in it, and wandered off to meatspace. 1106691;1429674048;mircea_popescu;whatever, people get to live their own lives. 1106692;1429674080;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander so you won't entertain this theoretical ? 1106693;1429674088;ascii_lander;i will entertain anything 1106694;1429674093;mircea_popescu;ok, so what if ? 1106695;1429674112;ascii_lander;but this is in the realm of 'wat if your mother were aggripina and plotting against you' 1106696;1429674121;mircea_popescu;women can get pregnant, no ? 1106697;1429674132;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: aha but we don't live in ar. 1106698;1429674140;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1106699;1429674155;ascii_lander;we live where folks abort every morning before breakfast six times. 1106700;1429674176;mircea_popescu;so if woman were pregnant you'd want her to abort, because lyf sucks ? 1106701;1429674212;*;ascii_lander is as certain that woman is in full agreement re: this issue as that she isn't a usg succubus 1106702;1429674218;BingoBoingo;;;later tell josh_garza There should be enough information in the past 24 hours in the logs to determine which person with my slave name I am, please pursue legal action over http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/29/what-the-fuck-is-a-hashlet/ please unbored me with civil suit. Would love the chance to become a priority creditor with claims upon your whatever. 1106703;1429674220;assbot;What the Fuck is a Hashlet? | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1DbX0k3 ) 1106704;1429674220;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1106705;1429674224;ascii_lander;which is to say, if wrong about this, it makes sense to eat nagant 1106706;1429674235;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander and so if she didn't want to you'd break up ? 1106707;1429674240;ascii_lander;aha 1106708;1429674248;mircea_popescu;and if you did break up, and she had no money, 1106709;1429674252;mircea_popescu;you'd let her starve ? 1106710;1429674256;ascii_lander;(does nagant count as breaking up?) 1106711;1429674258;ascii_lander;aha 1106712;1429674260;trinque;lol 1106713;1429674264;mircea_popescu;seems a bit much. 1106714;1429674277;trinque;feeding a kid and handing him books doesn't seem so bad 1106715;1429674283;BingoBoingo;^methotrexate oatmeal 1106716;1429674326;ascii_lander;trinque: i need a usa kid slightly less than i need an extra hole in skull 1106717;1429674337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27070 @ 0.00033353 = 9.0287 BTC [+] {2} 1106718;1429674343;mircea_popescu;what if she wanted to move to odessa to have it ? 1106719;1429674351;ascii_lander;circa 1980 ? 1106720;1429674353;ascii_lander;sure. 1106721;1429674360;mircea_popescu;well then i guess tashkent 1106722;1429674365;mircea_popescu;should be just about 1980 there. 1106723;1429674365;ascii_lander;l0lno. 1106724;1429674375;ascii_lander;it's somewhere south of 1989 here 1106725;1429674377;ascii_lander;in ba 1106726;1429674386;mircea_popescu;ok, so she wanted to move to santa fe 1106727;1429674391;ascii_lander;waiwat 1106728;1429674398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80930 @ 0.00033494 = 27.1067 BTC [+] {3} 1106729;1429674411;mircea_popescu;Santa Fe de la Vera Cruz, it's a city. 1106730;1429674414;ascii_lander;we are nearing exhaustion of supply of unobtainium here 1106731;1429674422;ascii_lander;for this gedankenexperiment 1106732;1429674432;ascii_lander;at some point it has to touch earth 1106733;1429674438;ascii_lander;or crashes 1106734;1429674446;trinque;ascii_lander | trinque: i need a usa kid slightly less than i need an extra hole in skull << up to you if that's what he becomes 1106735;1429674457;mircea_popescu;so a woman that gets pregnant and wants to move to argentina to raise her kid could not exist ? 1106736;1429674483;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, virginal tits! http://40.media.tumblr.com/c4cb4fda06777a6f9867db07077980ea/tumblr_ne7qx7JNVI1tvmbtao1_1280.jpg 1106737;1429674484;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhwJbx ) 1106738;1429674502;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: high-tech yes! 1106739;1429674526;mircea_popescu;(i think alf may recognize that window gauze) 1106740;1429674545;ascii_lander;wai wut 1106741;1429674566;mircea_popescu;very 1980s eastern yurp a thing 1106742;1429674569;mircea_popescu;you didn't have it ? 1106743;1429674572;ascii_lander;ah in that sense yes 1106744;1429674581;mircea_popescu;yes in that sense lol. 1106745;1429674585;ascii_lander;it didn't even strike me as remarkable 1106746;1429674591;ascii_lander;i actually have it in my sorry hovel in usa 1106747;1429674594;mircea_popescu;i never saw it anywhere else. 1106748;1429674600;ascii_lander;recreated from ancestral instinct lol 1106749;1429674603;mircea_popescu;lol 1106750;1429674624;*;ascii_lander assumed that mircea_popescu recognized it from my cam feedz or the like 1106751;1429674662;mircea_popescu;"In cooperation with CoinStand, I will be launching a new version of Paybase. For now I call it Paybase2. 1106752;1429674663;mircea_popescu;We are not ready to talk about what it will do yet. I will only say that when we launched Paybase we did it backwards. We build the software but did not have the financial relationships in place to support our goals (finished and tested deals with card networks, FIAT to crypto licenses, banks fully committed to supporting us, etc)." 1106753;1429674664;mircea_popescu;ahaha fucktard. 1106754;1429674667;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: to round off the offspring thread: remember the case of the sea anemone ? 1106755;1429674675;mircea_popescu;wasn't he derping about how the coin can't go under, financial relationships, etc ? 1106756;1429674681;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander mno ? 1106757;1429674717;ascii_lander;'The juvenile sea squirt wanders through the sea searching for a suitable rock or hunk of coral to cling to and make its home for life. For this task, it has a rudimentary nervous system. When it finds its spot and takes root, it doesn't need its brain anymore, so it eats it! It's rather like getting tenure.' 1106758;1429674728;ascii_lander;or mircea_popescu's essay about his father 1106759;1429674741;mircea_popescu;ah yes 1106760;1429674745;ascii_lander;so this. 1106761;1429674751;*;ascii_lander will die with his brain still in 1106762;1429674787;mircea_popescu;you know, it's not written in the fucking repository of thermodynamic laws you have to raise your children like the retarded americans. 1106763;1429674801;mircea_popescu;how about, the women raise them, in the gyneceum, and you just sit ? 1106764;1429674805;*;BingoBoingo will only go so far as to say I will probably die 1106765;1429674816;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: gyneceum - aha would sign up for that. 1106766;1429674818;ascii_lander;right now. 1106767;1429674826;ascii_lander;where's the fucking dotted line to sign, l0l 1106768;1429674834;ascii_lander;but that isn't on the dial, aha 1106769;1429674840;mircea_popescu;i dunno, just looking around. 1106770;1429674843;ascii_lander;on the dial - derpistan. 1106771;1429674852;ascii_lander;'greatest country in the wurld 1106772;1429674852;mircea_popescu;why not, your gf's jealous ? 1106773;1429674854;ascii_lander;' (TM) 1106774;1429674865;mircea_popescu;!up jayk 1106775;1429674877;ascii_lander;ah no. just that yours truly is a bound peon of derpistan 1106776;1429674885;mircea_popescu;so ? 1106777;1429674897;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure you can have people living together in the us 1106778;1429674900;ascii_lander;'filtration system a marvel to behold! it removes eighty percent of huuuuman sooolid waaaaste..!' 1106779;1429674902;mircea_popescu;maybe not in wisconsin, but generally. 1106780;1429674942;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: recall the 'fool's gasout' thread ? 1106781;1429674948;mircea_popescu;800 lines in 3 hours, myeah ok, clearly y'all are a buncha addicts. 1106782;1429674950;mircea_popescu;and no 1106783;1429674965;ascii_lander;to entirely insulate from derpization, need lethal enforcement of separation from derpistani rules 1106784;1429674982;ascii_lander;as in, full martian dome 1106785;1429675001;mircea_popescu;... 1106786;1429675002;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander is probably regretting seriously his not expatirating his keys with self. 1106787;1429675016;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: actually i did 1106788;1429675020;mircea_popescu;is the contention here that you'd get fired it word got out that you and three women are raising two children or something ? 1106789;1429675021;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: fat lotta good 1106790;1429675046;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: And why aren't you pricing empenada carts yet? 1106791;1429675053;ascii_lander;!s free range children 1106792;1429675054;assbot;0 results for 'free range children' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=free+range+children 1106793;1429675061;ascii_lander;!s freerange 1106794;1429675061;assbot;1 results for 'freerange' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=freerange 1106795;1429675075;ascii_lander;damnit we had this thread 1106796;1429675098;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander but if the women raise them what do you care ? 1106797;1429675120;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: if they get usderpized what do i need them for again ? 1106798;1429675146;mircea_popescu;interesting. 1106799;1429675158;ascii_lander;i would like the ability to shoot them, for example, at any age 1106800;1429675170;mircea_popescu;what if it comes with their ability to shoot you ? 1106801;1429675172;ascii_lander;if they are a waste of oxygen 1106802;1429675181;ascii_lander;ability to shoot me is a given already 1106803;1429675188;ascii_lander;happens often enough as it is where i live 1106804;1429675207;mircea_popescu;aha 1106805;1429675230;ascii_lander;but to get back the unobtainium - aha, gynacaeum, sure 1106806;1429675233;ascii_lander;signmeup. 1106807;1429675242;ascii_lander;let's the dirigible too 1106808;1429675249;mircea_popescu;that'd be one hell of a murder trial. "why did you kill your own children!!11" "they... weren't all that impressive" 1106809;1429675265;ascii_lander;!s dumplings 1106810;1429675265;assbot;14 results for 'dumplings' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dumplings 1106811;1429675278;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509010 1106812;1429675278;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2014 22:04:18; asciilifeform: they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them' 1106813;1429675286;ascii_lander;^ it 1106814;1429675293;mircea_popescu;but alf, what if they happen to excel at something you just don't happen to recognize as a thing ? 1106815;1429675305;ascii_lander;then i suck and hopefully they poison me 1st 1106816;1429675309;mircea_popescu;and then later you figure out you murdered turing for being gay and are all regretful and gotta poke out your eyes ? 1106817;1429675311;ascii_lander;for the sake of phyooture(tm) 1106818;1429675322;ascii_lander;then clearly. 1106819;1429675338;mircea_popescu;this should be a play, if we got any playwrights in the audience :D 1106820;1429675357;ascii_lander;but at any rate, we can play the unobtainium game, great phun. yes, if had starship, would travel to proxima centauri, would xxxxx, yyyy. 1106821;1429675371;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: You are too valuable to been poisoned by cunt snot like that. Go for adoption and multi-continent ascii proliferation 1106822;1429675372;mircea_popescu;;;google sweet dreams are made of this 1106823;1429675373;gribble;Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) (Official Video ...: ; Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (are Made Of This) Lyrics | MetroLyrics: until then, it's 'yi yi zhi yi' (orc incursions organized by usg for own pleasure) << I only worry because I've pointed local orcs to qntra posts 1106917;1429677220;*;ascii_lander wonders if even in mircea_popescu 1106918;1429677224;ascii_lander;'s formula, 1106919;1429677238;ascii_lander;offspring are still a liability, because one might conceivably grow attached to them 1106920;1429677242;ascii_lander;and then hostages 1106921;1429677285;ascii_lander;consider why there was successful uprising at treblinka 1106922;1429677292;ascii_lander;but scarcely anywhere else among the camps 1106923;1429677328;ascii_lander;(because, elementarily, was full of unattached young men. who understood their proper natural function, that of kamikaze) 1106924;1429677491;BingoBoingo;The brewing Chicom problem 1106925;1429677565;*;BingoBoingo hopes ascii_lander lives long enough to see burned out ruins on the U Maryland campus nearly as glamorous as I saw at MIssou 1106926;1429677570;BingoBoingo;*Mizzou 1106927;1429677576;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1106928;1429677584;ascii_lander;umd actually has some (lame) ruins 1106929;1429677587;ascii_lander;from old fires 1106930;1429677614;ascii_lander;properly speaking, most of it is a ruin as it is. simply, an inhabited one. 1106931;1429677625;BingoBoingo;Mizzou only needed one big fire to get big ruins that are still the campus centerpiece 1106932;1429677936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00033591 = 1.1253 BTC [+] 1106933;1429677948;mircea_popescu; incidentally d.c. proper is an educational museum << same bs in ba 1106934;1429677994;ascii_lander;who burned ba ? 1106935;1429678013;ascii_lander;'respekt the wurkerz' ? 1106936;1429678019;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander attached, sure. doesn't prevent one making more. there's a line between attachment and mania. 1106937;1429678031;ascii_lander;making more << again with atomic dirigible 1106938;1429678046;ascii_lander;yes, with it - turn on 7Hz blaster, cities fall 1106939;1429678050;ascii_lander;can make 'more' of anything 1106940;1429678062;ascii_lander;without it - dig in mud, with other ants 1106941;1429678071;mircea_popescu;<ascii_lander> 'respekt the wurkerz' ? << basically. 1106942;1429678085;*;ascii_lander notes for folks who missed the 'fool's gasout' thread that: atomic dirigible isn't 'money' 1106943;1429678103;ascii_lander;it's this thing that mircea_popescu flies around on 1106944;1429678106;ascii_lander;mighty spiffy 1106945;1429678135;mircea_popescu;pregnant virgin angel wings ? 1106946;1429678139;ascii_lander;aha. 1106947;1429678149;ascii_lander;morphs into these when parking's tight 1106948;1429678156;ascii_lander;at other times, normal zeppelin 1106949;1429678172;ascii_lander;but atomic. 1106950;1429678218;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories/comments/32ze1v/working_in_a_food_bank_i_am_a_useless_piece_of/ << myeah, if average donor had an idea what the beneficiaries are like, they'd donate warm lead. 1106951;1429678220;assbot;Working in a food bank: I am a "useless piece of sexy ass" : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhDBFN ) 1106952;1429678252;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: as it is, the warm lead (and jizzm) is donated by the beneficiaries, not vice-versa 1106953;1429678264;mircea_popescu;backwards world. 1106954;1429678287;ascii_lander;as with any thermodynamic atrocity, this one is maintained at tremendous expense. 1106955;1429678315;mircea_popescu;"And on through eeeeeevery item. "I'm just gunna take two milks." "No, you aren't, unless that second milk is worth being thrown out of this food bank." And on. And on. Really, people end up with several bags of food anyway. Provided they take the "wimmin food" like fruit and peanut butter." 1106956;1429678327;mircea_popescu;it's basically, the same children that needed to be beaten 50 years ago, 1106957;1429678336;mircea_popescu;still begging for that one beating that'd have sorted them out. 1106958;1429678338;mircea_popescu;50 years later. 1106959;1429678363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6009 @ 0.00032223 = 1.9363 BTC [-] 1106960;1429678366;ascii_lander;aha 1106961;1429678368;ascii_lander;but, 1106962;1429678376;ascii_lander;'hunchback is straightened by his grave' 1106963;1429678388;*;ascii_lander saw some truly kick-ass graves today 1106964;1429678400;ascii_lander;spiffier than any flat i've ever lived in 1106965;1429678419;mircea_popescu;lol 1106966;1429678429;ascii_lander;some probably more sq. m. than my current pad 1106967;1429678436;ascii_lander;if you add up the levels 1106968;1429678450;ascii_lander;(one appeared to go 4 stories down, and then to water) 1106969;1429678458;mircea_popescu;"I'll post this in my next story, but a line said by a lady I very much admire that has stuck with me: "Those who are the least likeable are also the most in need of your help." 1106970;1429678458;mircea_popescu;Sometimes I give an extra item to people I especially dislike, or go out of my way to compliment them. Many people, given a chance, will be friendly, even if they're often quick to anger/lash out otherwise." 1106971;1429678460;mircea_popescu;imbeciles. 1106972;1429678553;ascii_lander;wtf 1106973;1429678572;*;BingoBoingo worries ascii_lander is unprepared for changes in local climate 1106974;1429678582;mircea_popescu;hunting the image. "were friendly". as if the appearance of friendliness is worth two shits. 1106975;1429678609;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: as prepared as the next schmuck 1106976;1429678632;ascii_lander;mircea_popescu: wonder what said organism would answer if told that 'friendly' means 'open to spreading legs' 1106977;1429678639;ascii_lander;all of a sudden - not so friendly 1106978;1429678649;ascii_lander;easy to throw bone that costs nothing 1106979;1429678655;ascii_lander;now throw own hip bone 1106980;1429678657;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: If you can find historical "sundown town" of similar inconvenience to yourself may be worth investment to move rent beams 1106981;1429678661;ascii_lander;as in mircea_popescu's rhyme 1106982;1429678665;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander as the tango dancer put it, "the man pushes so the woman knows to spread her legs and let him get in" 1106983;1429678676;ascii_lander;l0l 1106984;1429678702;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: funnily enough, i live in a sector of suburb full of south amer. in particular, argentinians... 1106985;1429678708;ascii_lander;(as far as can tell) 1106986;1429678731;ascii_lander;mainly artisans (mechanics, builders, plumbers, etc) 1106987;1429678737;BingoBoingo;Oh, dunno if those would past muster last century 1106988;1429678771;*;ascii_lander isn't in their wot, expects to be killed for supplies 1106989;1429678791;*;ascii_lander will disappoint the cannibals. hasn't much of any use to anyone 1106990;1429678833;*;BingoBoingo offers screening towns by when they got rid of breaking wheel in town square 1106991;1429678968;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: historical… inconvenience… << if could move, would move here. as it is, gluetrap. 1106992;1429679040;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo: but to put things in perspective: you and i won't be moving to the b-a mircea_popescu, hanbot, mthreat et al live in 1106993;1429679051;ascii_lander;but to the one the stray cats in the cemetary live in 1106994;1429679062;mircea_popescu;wait, meta-bsas ? already ? 1106995;1429679065;ascii_lander;they are, one might correctly presume, somewhat different places. 1106996;1429679084;ascii_lander;in one, for instance, folks sleep ad libitum. 1106997;1429679117;ascii_lander;now, the cat-b-a is still lightyears ahead of, e.g., wash., d.c. 1106998;1429679130;ascii_lander;but important to keep a handle on the picture. 1106999;1429679161;BingoBoingo;ascii_lander: I'll probably move to boring Expat B-A, after financial center of plain 3rd world country. Does not alleviate your need to get a Nyjer Morgan Washington Nationals Jersey for driving cross town. 1107000;1429679161;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes this especially is written for you ^ compadre. 1107001;1429679221;ascii_lander;incidentally, the cemetery cats are of the highest quality. 1107002;1429679223;ascii_lander;top pet. 1107003;1429679250;ascii_lander;moiety valhalla. 1107004;1429679339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00033591 = 1.4948 BTC [+] 1107005;1429679420;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1107006;1429679748;*;BingoBoingo was "Go, Go, Fergusson" 1107007;1429679757;BingoBoingo;Now understands the horror 1107008;1429679791;ascii_lander;horror or 'go go' depends on which side of the guernica you're sitting on 1107009;1429679794;ascii_lander;as always. 1107010;1429679912;BingoBoingo;Some battles, literally color coded.... Zulu vs. Boer 1107011;1429679931;ascii_lander;welcome to yugousaia 1107012;1429679948;ascii_lander;(as if it were new) 1107013;1429679949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00033629 = 3.1275 BTC [+] {2} 1107014;1429679951;BingoBoingo;lol 1107015;1429680121;BingoBoingo;!up badon 1107016;1429680529;ascii_lander;BingoBoingo et al: http://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/Buenos-Aires-crypts-full-of-unusual-sights-tales-2370223.php 1107017;1429680531;assbot;Buenos Aires crypts full of unusual sights, tales - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1bsWdWn ) 1107018;1429680925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00033356 = 4.8533 BTC [-] {2} 1107019;1429680996;BingoBoingo;!up psztorc 1107020;1429681266;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories/comments/33flsl/the_day_i_realized_i_officially_cant_stand_nilla/ 1107021;1429681267;assbot;The Day I Realized I Officially Can’t Stand Nilla Wafer : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1bsZepN ) 1107022;1429681270;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1107023;1429681281;ascii_lander;wut 1107024;1429681292;ascii_lander;this even exists. 1107025;1429681413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00033718 = 2.276 BTC [+] 1107026;1429681439;BingoBoingo;seriously /r/fatpeoplestories is the only readable /r/ 1107027;1429681449;ascii_lander;readable?! 1107028;1429681502;BingoBoingo;compared to /r/bitcoin 1107029;1429681522;BingoBoingo;Content is basically the same 1107030;1429681593;BingoBoingo;Illustrations are much more vivid in /r/fatpeoplestories though 1107031;1429681962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00032299 = 10.3357 BTC [-] {3} 1107032;1429681965;*;BingoBoingo bed time 1107033;1429682453;ben_vulpes; morphs into these when parking's tight << i imagine a special flat where he relaxes into his final chthonian form 1107034;1429682495;ben_vulpes;likely next to evita - subterranean access from nearby barrio 1107035;1429682498;ben_vulpes;because? why not 1107036;1429682506;ben_vulpes;"we must because we can" 1107037;1429682560;ben_vulpes; https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories/comments/32ze1v/working_in_a_food_bank_i_am_a_useless_piece_of/ << myeah, if average donor had an idea what the beneficiaries are like, they'd donate warm lead. << folks frequently exhort me to "donate time at redacted house", to see what life is like for these people. 1107038;1429682562;assbot;Working in a food bank: I am a "useless piece of sexy ass" : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1bt5qxZ ) 1107039;1429682586;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares what "life is like" ? 1107040;1429682588;ben_vulpes;little do they know that the episcopalians dragged me through this particular gutter as a youth and cemented my opinions of the subhumans. 1107041;1429682601;ben_vulpes;i suppose it is supposed to inspire pity? 1107042;1429682607;mircea_popescu;... 1107043;1429682613;ben_vulpes;"you've never worked a service industry job, have you?" 1107044;1429682629;ben_vulpes;"you've never lived on $10/hr, have you?" 1107045;1429682633;mircea_popescu;"this person sucks because of his sucky environment" "yes, that is exactly what i was saying : that this person is an empty vessel. he contributes nothing from inside." 1107046;1429682634;ben_vulpes;both of which - yes. 1107047;1429682635;mircea_popescu;logic. 1107048;1429682637;mircea_popescu;!up aabtc 1107049;1429682668;mircea_popescu;i've done neither. i've also not laid eggs, nor have i been a steel girder to "see what it's like" for rebar. 1107050;1429682669;ben_vulpes;almost died of co poisoning one time cutting radiant heat lines into concrete in a basement. 1107051;1429682694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00032206 = 12.3832 BTC [-] {2} 1107052;1429682717;ben_vulpes;swore shortly thereafter to claw my way out of potentially lethal and unremunerative work. 1107053;1429682734;ben_vulpes;am rather pleased with my progress. 1107054;1429682815;ben_vulpes;* ascii_lander saw some truly kick-ass graves today << i have such a greater appreciation for mod6, ascii_*, mircea_popescu, mike_c, davout, hanbot in-chan utterances now 1107055;1429682823;ben_vulpes;!up psztorc 1107056;1429682827;ben_vulpes;we have orcs now? 1107057;1429682872;ben_vulpes;explicit orcs i suppose 1107058;1429682876;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes whyssat ? 1107059;1429682888;ben_vulpes;pszt/orc/ 1107060;1429682905;ben_vulpes;or the flavor of utterances? 1107061;1429682919;ben_vulpes;(mthreat too, i should add) 1107062;1429683011;mircea_popescu;the flavour 1107063;1429683025;mircea_popescu;i can tokenize strings too you know! 1107064;1429683079;ben_vulpes;an example'd be the "kick-ass" utterance. 1107065;1429683127;ben_vulpes;ascii_* has a /way/ of saying it that must be seen for the grokking 1107066;1429683140;ben_vulpes;idem with your impatient hand-fluttering at my nitwitisms 1107067;1429683147;mircea_popescu;lol 1107068;1429683194;mircea_popescu;well, im off! laters artists & artisans 1107069;1429683205;ben_vulpes;and the cadence of speech you employ when forced to beat sense into such as me 1107070;1429683215;ben_vulpes;da da, da da, da da, da da! 1107071;1429683248;ben_vulpes;bon chance, mircea_popescu 1107072;1429683328;psztorc;that's my polish last name Sztorc 1107073;1429683339;ben_vulpes;psztorc: fitting 1107074;1429683369;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes this especially is written for you ^ compadre. << d'you know how far forward i look to the ancient stone warehouse of garbage that must be cleared by hand?! 1107075;1429683426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00032597 = 1.9884 BTC [+] 1107076;1429684561;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories/comments/2oujsf/the_saga_of_the_great_white_land_whale_part_1/ << what have you done 1107077;1429684564;assbot;The Saga of The Great White Land Whale - Part 1 : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1FdfmXE ) 1107078;1429685012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00032597 = 2.3796 BTC [+] 1107079;1429685143;ben_vulpes;cazalla: oh man you gotta read this series 1107080;1429685927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00032682 = 3.3989 BTC [+] {2} 1107081;1429686135;ben_vulpes;GTS managed to get a grip on the box, which sent JLW into a Fat-Fury™ frenzy of incoherant screaming and flailing limbs. One of which smacked GTS right in the face, causing her to spill the remaining slices all over the ground. Her fist clenched as her arm drew back and I knew nothing would stop her from punching JLW right in the face. Except JLW was already on the ground, desperately trying to 1107082;1429686137;ben_vulpes;scoop up bits of dough and toppings and 1107083;1429686139;ben_vulpes;stuff them into her mouth. The anger drained out of GTS, to be replaced by disbelief and disgust, as she stood there watching JLW eat floor pizza. 1107084;1429686141;ben_vulpes;floor pizza! 1107085;1429686154;ben_vulpes;dude this is 100x better than the gaw shit 1107086;1429686293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93700 @ 0.0003381 = 31.68 BTC [+] {4} 1107087;1429687275;cazalla;ben_vulpes, why would i wanna read stories about fat shaming plus anyway, nothing tops http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/a5/7c/a57c21_4510731.jpg 1107088;1429687276;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGmmeJ ) 1107089;1429687336;cazalla;looks like beauregard got in contact, time to update that post 1107090;1429689465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16643 @ 0.00031855 = 5.3016 BTC [-] 1107091;1429689783;ben_vulpes;;;later tell cazalla there are worse ways to spend a few hours and also better but few with comprable lulzdensity 1107092;1429689784;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1107093;1429689942;ben_vulpes;;;later tell ascii_lander don't wait up for me tomorrow 1107094;1429689942;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1107095;1429690075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00033859 = 5.5021 BTC [+] 1107096;1429690792;[]bot;Bet placed: 6.84303812 BTC for No on " BTC to top $350 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1135/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.06303812 BTC. Current weight: 98,180. 1107097;1429690929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00031539 = 8.2001 BTC [-] {2} 1107098;1429693626;davout;!r ben_vulpes 3 met IRL, malbec-immune 1107099;1429693635;davout;!rate ben_vulpes 3 met IRL, malbec-immune 1107100;1429693635;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/fb099fb7d881e4df 1107101;1429693654;davout;!v assbot:davout.rate.ben_vulpes.3:ead2f9ed2eabada50db11e15fef25dde55812f86635c1313c08e6e657a41e38d 1107102;1429693654;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for ben_vulpes with note: met IRL, malbec-immune 1107103;1429693699;davout;!rate mod6 met IRL 1107104;1429693700;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. 1107105;1429693704;davout;!rate 3 mod6 met IRL 1107106;1429693704;assbot;3 is not registered in WoT. 1107107;1429693710;davout;!rate mod6 3 met IRL 1107108;1429693710;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ab9a92a39fa42bad 1107109;1429693727;davout;!v assbot:davout.rate.mod6.3:cf77b2e068a59b777dfb7853810e7f4f206a1dea39b049984c4f6827054b3b13 1107110;1429693727;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for mod6 with note: met IRL 1107111;1429693783;davout;kakobrekla: out of curiosity, how are the OTP hashes computed? 1107112;1429694047;davout;!rate mthreat 2 met IRL 1107113;1429694047;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3172af9ef21c82b0 1107114;1429694064;davout;!v assbot:davout.rate.mthreat.2:92c90f3070c48c815840fbc6676f032e8d2cf0a86efffc9825b23411541c2b0e 1107115;1429694064;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for mthreat with note: met IRL 1107116;1429694068;davout;!rate chetty 2 met IRL 1107117;1429694068;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/99044f05b8f6d546 1107118;1429694094;davout;!v assbot:davout.rate.chetty.2:8d8afec373d02ac71e1fb8ae1ea6fa5b86f14f50cf2f8964b8a82cf929f9729e 1107119;1429694094;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for chetty with note: met IRL 1107120;1429694772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00031823 = 5.8236 BTC [+] 1107121;1429694955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00031663 = 11.5095 BTC [-] {3} 1107122;1429695260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00031846 = 2.1655 BTC [+] 1107123;1429695809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00031846 = 2.9617 BTC [+] 1107124;1429696053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00032899 = 3.0103 BTC [+] {3} 1107125;1429696480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.0003305 = 8.3286 BTC [+] {2} 1107126;1429696907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00033056 = 15.3049 BTC [+] 1107127;1429697715;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKCRHhmHvjg 1107128;1429697716;assbot;Mes Aïeux - Dégénération (English Subtitles) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1aRrctV ) 1107129;1429698310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19412 @ 0.0003239 = 6.2875 BTC [-] {2} 1107130;1429698330;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on " BTC to top $350 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1135/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.68313103 BTC. Current weight: 98,047. 1107131;1429699232;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107087 << he lives in a sheltered bubble, never heard any of this before. 1107132;1429699232;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 07:21:15; cazalla: ben_vulpes, why would i wanna read stories about fat shaming plus anyway, nothing tops http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/a5/7c/a57c21_4510731.jpg 1107133;1429699398;cazalla;i guess reddit generation think such stories are new, having never heard of grouphug.us etc 1107134;1429699591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00031294 = 8.1208 BTC [-] 1107135;1429699628;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107127 << pretty decent that 1107136;1429699628;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 10:15:15; cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKCRHhmHvjg 1107137;1429699728;cazalla;yeah, i like it 1107138;1429699845;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107076 << the one thing that seems remarkable to me about the otherwise illiterate prose typical of rettardit is, just how desocialised these people are. 1107139;1429699845;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 06:36:01; ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories/comments/2oujsf/the_saga_of_the_great_white_land_whale_part_1/ << what have you done 1107140;1429699868;mircea_popescu;so, a guy and his best friend. ok, this happens. they're friends for the usual stupid reasons : lived nearby, and never contradicted each other. 1107141;1429699879;mircea_popescu;only fucktarded teens think this way, but then again i guess that's what they are. 1107142;1429699911;mircea_popescu;then one's family is a military man and his pliable wife. but no, not for shithead. "B&P (Booze&Pills) : Ahabs good for almost nothing, rehab bound mother. Major Asshole : Ahabs equally absent and physically abusive military father." 1107143;1429699940;mircea_popescu;you know, if THAT woman had an equally uncharitable view of the speaker, he'd probably read "good for almost nothing but shitting diapers idiot" 1107144;1429699969;mircea_popescu;now why exactly would someone decide that their home life is miserable ? oh, because that's how fucktarded adolescents think. okay. 1107145;1429699991;mircea_popescu;viva la reddit, but at least learn teh fucking rhetorics, rather than deluge the interwebs in chicken scribblings. 1107146;1429700028;mircea_popescu;but the kicker : the other family is a successful man and his ambitious wife. THIS IS ALSO NOT GOOD. 1107147;1429700042;mircea_popescu;what the fuck would it take for these idiots to think their parents ~their superiors~ ? 1107148;1429700127;mircea_popescu;cuz i suspect this is the deep reason asciilifeform doesn't want offspring. i tell you if the 19 yo snot that imagines he's better than me (like you know, every single fuctkared 19 yo snot "being famous in the bitcoin community" etc that we see here periodically bubble up his idiocy and then six months later fail abjectly and disappear) actually grew up in my house, i'd shoot it to death with blunt toothpicks. 1107149;1429700186;mircea_popescu;which i suppose makes me the perfect storm of a horribru father (as per reddit) : the cross between "absent and physically abusive military father." and "coke snorting, random hooker banging, land development dealing father." 1107150;1429700214;mircea_popescu;fucking hell, they hold whoring against the man that does it but not in favour of the man that doesn't do it ? ball beatings already. 1107151;1429700441;mircea_popescu;"a girl whose sense of worth was so over-inflated it could lift a fleet of Zeppelins." yeah, totally. this is probably the iconic reddit comment. what, buoyancy ? words are words and the world consists of pictures. blips are big, so this simile works! 1107152;1429703058;davout;"it could lift a fleet of Zeppelins" <<< bwhahah 1107153;1429703434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46877 @ 0.00033346 = 15.6316 BTC [+] {2} 1107154;1429703577;mircea_popescu;pretty much all the derpternet is good for these days is this sort of unintentional self-humour crit > 9000 1107155;1429703689;jurov;lolk, but.. what would be better simile example to overinflated self-worth? 1107156;1429703866;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, lift the washington monument, realign jupiter, fill the mariane gap, cover the usg deficit 1107157;1429703870;mircea_popescu;not like there's a shortage. 1107158;1429703922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.0003384 = 16.3786 BTC [+] {2} 1107159;1429703942;jurov;i don't see how these are better (with exception of the usg deficit maybe) 1107160;1429704004;mircea_popescu;because a zepellin has 0 apparent weight, so it lifts itself ? 1107161;1429704071;jurov;i understood it as the overinflated self-worth replacing the hydrogen, not adding a lift :) 1107162;1429704105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00032787 = 11.5246 BTC [-] {2} 1107163;1429704105;mircea_popescu;" Unsurprisingly, this level of (motherly) indulgence and (fatherly) neglect had produced a girl whose sense of worth was so over-inflated it could lift a fleet of Zeppelins." 1107164;1429704117;mircea_popescu;a fleet of zeppelins needs no further lift. 1107165;1429704150;BingoBoingo; pretty much all the derpternet is good for these days is this sort of unintentional self-humour crit > 9000 << Aha, you've hit the funniest part. The self described peaks of physical fitness can observe the fat logic, but are nearly incapable of realizing most of them are entirely unsocialized. Lulz on both sides. 1107166;1429704178;mircea_popescu;"hey, i'm just as stupid as him, but at least i'm not fat!" 1107167;1429704188;mircea_popescu;"so what's your excuse then" 1107168;1429704190;mircea_popescu;"what ?!?!?" 1107169;1429704274;*;BingoBoingo probably should have waited until later in the year to start making juleps with yard mint. 1107170;1429704483;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/theymos-complies-with-yet-another-subpoena/#comment-19355 << Morning lols 1107171;1429704484;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAmmIO ) 1107172;1429704569;mircea_popescu;i don't understand how beautyon wants this gpg forum thing to work 1107173;1429704579;mircea_popescu;how do you encrypt a posting today to the key of future readers ? 1107174;1429704681;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1107175;1429704724;BingoBoingo;Public information generally needs to go plaintext or clearsigned 1107176;1429704930;davout;^this 1107177;1429705212;davout;for those who enjoyed the tango show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbioJazMnW8 1107178;1429705213;assbot;Astor Piazzolla Libertango(piano and violoncello).flv - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAn2Oe ) 1107179;1429706118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00031656 = 9.7342 BTC [-] {4} 1107180;1429706512;mats;http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/futures-trader-charged-illegally-manipulating-stock-market-contributing-may-2010-market-flash 1107181;1429706513;assbot;Futures Trader Charged with Illegally Manipulating Stock Market, Contributing to the May 2010 Market ‘Flash Crash’ | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAo3pE ) 1107182;1429706683;mircea_popescu;lol they found the culprit huh 1107183;1429706765;mircea_popescu;"Im not going to make this about the so-called hacker who is responsible for the list, claiming he did it to prove a point about the safety of Fetlifes members. Attention is what the douchebag wants and I refuse to give it to him. Now, did he breach Fetlife as hes claimed? Of course not. That takes a skill he lacks." 1107184;1429706778;mircea_popescu;dude why is it that every internet derp thinks his attention is important, valuable or desired ? 1107185;1429706786;mircea_popescu;other than the obvious "well it's all he's got, it'd better be" 1107186;1429707216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00032594 = 2.086 BTC [+] 1107187;1429707582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00033613 = 5.7478 BTC [+] {2} 1107188;1429707948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00032805 = 9.5299 BTC [-] {2} 1107189;1429710228;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_lander 1107190;1429710246;ascii_lander;good morning mircea_popescu! 1107191;1429710280;mircea_popescu;hai! 1107192;1429710299;*;ascii_lander preparing lander probe for earthfall 1107193;1429710867;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107093 << i'll be wandering around town until 1900 or so (blast-off at 2215) 1107194;1429710867;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 08:05:42; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell ascii_lander don't wait up for me tomorrow 1107195;1429710899;ascii_lander;will check #b-a a few times b/w now and then 1107196;1429710930;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: at any rate, will need your help to pass sack of pesos to mircea_popescu 1107197;1429710965;ascii_lander;ben_vulpes: if we don't run across each other today, i might have it sent to your room 1107198;1429710987;mircea_popescu;ascii_lander ima go for a salmon sandwich say 1ish. 1107199;1429710997;ascii_lander;aha! 1107200;1429710999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00032645 = 7.0513 BTC [-] 1107201;1429711003;ascii_lander;same spot? 1107202;1429711011;ascii_lander;or meet at $hotel 1107203;1429711181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00032647 = 4.7338 BTC [+] {2} 1107204;1429711184;mircea_popescu;same spot. 1107205;1429711198;ascii_lander;works 1107206;1429711354;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107172 << as per mircea_popescu's old article where 'this rifle is so spiffy, i'ma go fishing with it' 1107207;1429711354;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 12:09:29; mircea_popescu: i don't understand how beautyon wants this gpg forum thing to work 1107208;1429711365;mircea_popescu;lol 1107209;1429712279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00033222 = 9.5347 BTC [+] {2} 1107210;1429713277;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1107211;1429713316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16858 @ 0.00032752 = 5.5213 BTC [-] {2} 1107212;1429713804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00031553 = 8.4247 BTC [-] 1107213;1429714170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6042 @ 0.00031553 = 1.9064 BTC [-] 1107214;1429714475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00032404 = 6.092 BTC [+] 1107215;1429714481;ben_vulpes;http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201503/2015031201-the-sad-state-of-sysadmin-in-the-age-of-containers.html << lotsa yup 1107216;1429714482;assbot;The sad state of sysadmin in the age of containers ... ( http://bit.ly/1HUSzAE ) 1107217;1429714533;ben_vulpes;davout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL5D84D432BD104069&v=TFdfdLCZjT8 1107218;1429714534;assbot;Libertango - Astor Piazzolla - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HUSIUI ) 1107219;1429714596;davout;ben_vulpes: ¡che boludo! 1107220;1429714599;davout;gracias 1107221;1429714625;davout;imma make my own version 1107222;1429714716;ben_vulpes;eyy chetty, still game for ceviche? 1107223;1429714963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42252 @ 0.00031273 = 13.2135 BTC [-] {2} 1107224;1429715120;lobbes;!up ascii_lander 1107225;1429715146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14675 @ 0.00033705 = 4.9462 BTC [+] {2} 1107226;1429716786;mats;http://vortessence.org 1107227;1429716787;assbot;Vortessence ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiZDrG ) 1107228;1429717043;mod6;!up assbot 1107229;1429717045;mod6;bah 1107230;1429717049;mod6;!up ascii_lander 1107231;1429717080;ascii_lander;mats: looka quite like the ubiquitous 'volatility' 1107232;1429717089;ascii_lander;mebbe with spiffier gui 1107233;1429717097;ascii_lander;(why need the gui, don't ask me...) 1107234;1429717129;mats;is almost exactly volatility 1107235;1429717170;mats;uses Django and bootstrap! 1107236;1429717333;ben_vulpes;how did they get django into a memory forensics tool? 1107237;1429717334;ben_vulpes;o.O 1107238;1429717342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00031887 = 4.241 BTC [-] 1107239;1429717355;*;ascii_lander spews chunder 1107240;1429717400;ascii_lander;'Django, have you always been alone? Django! Django, have you never loved again?' (™) (R) 1107241;1429717489;*;ascii_lander off for some lulz with mircea_popescu 1107242;1429717604;*;ben_vulpes will join 1107243;1429717645;davout;obligatory django https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpmOTGungnA 1107244;1429717646;assbot;Minor Swing - Django Reinhardt & Stéphane Grappelli - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Piyd6w ) 1107245;1429717670;davout;from the time guitar heroes were actually guitar heroes 1107246;1429717952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00031709 = 7.0553 BTC [-] {3} 1107247;1429718178;mats;http://www.gsma.com/newsroom/wp-content/uploads/WWG-04-v1-0.pdf GSMA's guide on encrypted traffic 1107248;1429718179;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiBkLI ) 1107249;1429718681;Pierre_Rochard;vessenes fundation burned to the ground: http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2015/04/joining-mit-media-lab-digital-currency.html 1107250;1429718683;assbot;GavinTech: Joining the MIT Media Lab Digital Currency Initiative ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiDJWV ) 1107251;1429718698;Pierre_Rochard;Next on the chopping block: MIT 1107252;1429718700;mats;http://www.zawya.com/mobile/default.cfm/actstory/sidZAWYA20150326055449 1107253;1429718701;assbot;Jordan seeks further cooperation with Russia in nuclear field ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiDOK1 ) 1107254;1429718791;mod6;Pierre_Rochard: ah! 1107255;1429718843;lobbes; from the time guitar heroes were actually guitar heroes << all you need these days is to know three chords and have a pretty face. 1107256;1429718846;lobbes;Hell, it is like a sin to have a good guitar instrumental these days. And I could never get into 'metal'; too much speed, not enough soul 1107257;1429718892;davout;lobbes: too many pedals 1107258;1429718930;davout;funnily enough, "pédale" in french is a derogatory word for a man who likes to receive butseks 1107259;1429718941;lobbes;aha 1107260;1429719011;Pierre_Rochard;from their forums: “As of 4/15/15 total cash less current liabilities was ~$75K.” 1107261;1429719065;davout;Pierre_Rochard: in a few months it'll be "current liabilities less total cash" 1107262;1429719172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8017 @ 0.00032432 = 2.6001 BTC [+] 1107263;1429719231;Pierre_Rochard;davout: perhaps bruce fenton will find a wealthy sheikh to revive this particular abomination. They have wasted their oil wealth in worse ways 1107264;1429719368;Pierre_Rochard;> is MIT, a center of tech innovation 1107265;1429719385;Pierre_Rochard;> is media lab, focused on intersection of tech, design, art etc 1107266;1429719395;Pierre_Rochard;> presents “About” in a series of pdf documents http://www.media.mit.edu/about/about-the-lab 1107267;1429719396;assbot;About the Lab | MIT Media Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiGTKc ) 1107268;1429719408;Pierre_Rochard;can’t make this stuff up 1107269;1429720941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00032432 = 3.9729 BTC [+] 1107270;1429721612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00032647 = 4.5706 BTC [+] {2} 1107271;1429722344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00033859 = 10.1577 BTC [+] 1107272;1429722405;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00451775 = 3.3883 BTC [-] {2} 1107273;1429722527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.0003194 = 5.4138 BTC [-] 1107274;1429723127;funkenstein_;from comments to gavintech announcement: "I'm very happy that you found a good place to land" <-- like he's a helpless orphan 1107275;1429723143;funkenstein_;"that's great you found somebody to tell you what to do".. i think MP's comments are more respectful of gavin 1107276;1429723238;mircea_popescu; vessenes fundation burned to the ground: http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2015/04/joining-mit-media-lab-digital-currency.html << merely usg being forced to assume its minions. 1107277;1429723239;assbot;GavinTech: Joining the MIT Media Lab Digital Currency Initiative ... ( http://bit.ly/1yT2R2K ) 1107278;1429723617;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/CQ5qgvu << marginally lulzy stuff 1107279;1429723618;assbot; Oh Gawker Media. You so silly. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVoelq ) 1107280;1429723733;jurov;http://insidebitcoins.com/news/not-so-decentralized-ripple-freezes-1m-in-user-funds/31862 "it's a feature!!!" 1107281;1429723735;assbot; “Not-So-Decentralized” Ripple Freezes $1m in User Funds | Inside Bitcoins | Bitcoin news | Price | Bitcoin Conferences ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVoAIW ) 1107282;1429723954;mats;"MIT is no longer the hallowed Library of Alexandria that shared the Lisp Machine and SICP with the world. Today, its made up of showmen and fools like Gavin, who endeavor to destroy software they don't understand, on behalf of a handler. Your relevance fades, and in a decade your cohorts will disavow any knowledge of you. Enjoy your faux relevancy as long 1107283;1429723954;mats;as it lasts." 1107284;1429723973;mats;looks like someone has been reading the logs... 1107285;1429724053;mircea_popescu;lmao 1107286;1429724072;mircea_popescu;on both counts! 1107287;1429724773;ben_vulpes;high grade lulzatronium 1107288;1429724821;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_lander 1107289;1429724884;ascii_lander;l0l as if it wasn't clear that gavin will not starve or be reduced to honest work 1107290;1429724919;ascii_lander;he laughs 'all the way to the bank' 1107291;1429725132;ascii_lander;moiety - starved, moat monster - never. 1107292;1429725516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 985 @ 0.0020109 = 1.9807 BTC [+] {22} 1107293;1429726065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7082 @ 0.00032697 = 2.3156 BTC [+] 1107294;1429726126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00032797 = 6.4118 BTC [+] {2} 1107295;1429727075;funkenstein_;anybody catch a look at the LMC from buenos aires? 1107296;1429727100;funkenstein_;by the way while you were meeting there I caught two back to back Clinton shows 1107297;1429727102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20153 @ 0.00032509 = 6.5515 BTC [-] 1107298;1429727163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10547 @ 0.00032509 = 3.4287 BTC [-] 1107299;1429727285;mircea_popescu;lmc ? 1107300;1429727303;funkenstein_;magellanic cloud 1107301;1429727399;funkenstein_;much better viewing without the light pollution of course but one takes what one can get 1107302;1429728287;mircea_popescu;oic 1107303;1429728627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00032134 = 2.153 BTC [-] 1107304;1429729237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.0003194 = 3.4655 BTC [-] 1107305;1429729359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00032134 = 7.3908 BTC [+] 1107306;1429729946;mike_c;"I’m offering MIT as a neutral academic home for some of the conversations and the technical coordination" 1107307;1429729955;mike_c;first best neutral home. 1107308;1429730037;mircea_popescu;:D 1107309;1429730060;mircea_popescu;anwyay, yeah, people were derping about hoiw forcing usg to assume its assets is "bad" and the foundation pretense was somehow "better" 1107310;1429730062;mircea_popescu;it never stuck. 1107311;1429730092;mircea_popescu;anyway, b-a vs mit is a lot better than b-a vs some scammer's fake "foundation". we're going up in the world. 1107312;1429730150;mircea_popescu;(i dun imagine anyone seriously deluded themselves into the belief that mit's involvement is going to disuade anyone one ; i do imagine mit thought itself large enough to absorb the shock and not end up like mtgox as a result - which is just as silly, but not necessarily visible from boston) 1107313;1429730274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21087 @ 0.00032541 = 6.8619 BTC [+] {3} 1107314;1429730592;funkenstein_; and then $ gpg --keyserver sks-keyservers.net --send-key and $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-key where keyid you just copy from the line above. <-- what about those three letters showing up here? 1107315;1429730610;mircea_popescu;which ? 1107316;1429730613;funkenstein_;mit 1107317;1429730635;mircea_popescu;well... http://trilema.com/2015/pgp-keyserver/ 1107318;1429730636;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjwEFm ) 1107319;1429730701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00033874 = 4.9625 BTC [+] 1107320;1429730732;funkenstein_;ok then, i am going to take a closer look 1107321;1429730762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00033918 = 3.4596 BTC [+] 1107322;1429730818;funkenstein_;i'll take notes 1107323;1429730823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21169 @ 0.00033918 = 7.1801 BTC [+] 1107324;1429730825;funkenstein_;in other news today 1107325;1429730826;funkenstein_;http://blog.kraken.com/post/116672768472/file-your-mtgox-creditor-claim-with-kraken-and 1107326;1429730827;assbot;Kraken Bitcoin Exchange — File your MtGox Creditor Claim with Kraken and... ... ( http://bit.ly/1GjGRAo ) 1107327;1429731147;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/uploads/2015/4/22/rtx19ups.jpg.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.jpg 1107328;1429731148;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjyJkG ) 1107329;1429731250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00033918 = 2.2895 BTC [+] 1107330;1429732043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43676 @ 0.00032792 = 14.3222 BTC [-] {3} 1107331;1429732104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66524 @ 0.00031927 = 21.2391 BTC [-] 1107332;1429733324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00031174 = 9.7886 BTC [-] {3} 1107333;1429733568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.0003112 = 2.1317 BTC [-] 1107334;1429734112;jurov;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/22/wi-fi-hack-ios-iphone-ipad-apple 1107335;1429734112;assbot;Wi-Fi hack creates 'no iOS zone' that cripples iPhones and iPads | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Del6dQ ) 1107336;1429734136;jurov;android can be battery drained by the same way, but at least i was able to turn wifi off 1107337;1429734508;mircea_popescu;this bs where you can't turn wifi off... 1107338;1429735032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26049 @ 0.0003112 = 8.1064 BTC [-] 1107339;1429735338;lobbes;one more reason to never touch an iTurd 1107340;1429735459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33425 @ 0.00031276 = 10.454 BTC [+] 1107341;1429735573;*;lobbes owns an android, but rarely downloads any apps. Usually leaves wi-fi 'off' unless absolutely necessary 1107342;1429736557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00033008 = 5.8919 BTC [+] {2} 1107343;1429736679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00033918 = 6.9362 BTC [+] 1107344;1429736862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.0003318 = 8.0959 BTC [-] 1107345;1429737228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33936 @ 0.0003127 = 10.6118 BTC [-] 1107346;1429737655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.0003185 = 4.666 BTC [+] 1107347;1429738021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0003185 = 3.1213 BTC [+] 1107348;1429738326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31195 @ 0.00030981 = 9.6645 BTC [-] {2} 1107349;1429738764;mircea_popescu;"Nobody seems to know how to build Hadoop from scratch. It's an incredible mess of dependencies, version requirements and build tools." 1107350;1429738773;mircea_popescu;maybe this is what asciilifeform has to do in hell. build all the shit. 1107351;1429738948;mircea_popescu;Back then, years ago, Linux distributions were trying to provide you with a safe operating system. With signed packages, built from a web of trust. Some even work on reproducible builds. 1107352;1429738948;mircea_popescu;But then, everything got Windows-ized. "Apps" were the rage, which you download and run, without being concerned about security, or the ability to upgrade the application to the next version. Because "you only live once". 1107353;1429738978;mircea_popescu;or, in the words of tiffany, "Who cares if the security let u do this it doesn't mean u should have done it" 1107354;1429738985;mircea_popescu;women (and children) in tech. 1107355;1429739259;mircea_popescu;in other news... privilege http://33.media.tumblr.com/b1e1634e7529aab4aceba8767fe8d157/tumblr_nmqjw95Chn1t0np38o1_500.gif 1107356;1429739260;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvyP4V ) 1107357;1429739525;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107291 << rip moiety 1107358;1429739525;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 17:52:12; ascii_lander: moiety - starved, moat monster - never. 1107359;1429739582;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_lander 1107360;1429739593;mircea_popescu;it still seems overdramatic to me. chick just didn't wanna bitcoin. 1107361;1429739616;mircea_popescu;also in the news : joggers live for 6 years longer than non joggers 1107362;1429739626;mircea_popescu;over the course of their lives, joggers spend about 6 years jogging 1107363;1429739706;davout;more from nice-lipsync land http://i.imgur.com/iH7Ti0a.gif 1107364;1429739707;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvzB1T ) 1107365;1429740016;lobbes;I'm five years late, but I just read these. I wish an alf-machine existed: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 1107366;1429740018;assbot;Loper OS » Seven Laws of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvAhnP ) 1107367;1429740029;lobbes;I find #7 especially intriguing 1107368;1429740071;ascii_lander;lobbes: perhaps -you- can build it 1107369;1429740080;*;ascii_lander preparing for blast-off back to earth 1107370;1429740104;lobbes;perhaps -you- can build it << K. I'll cya in 50 years 1107371;1429740313;*;trinque in ignorance reminds that once computers were built in garages 1107372;1429740338;ascii_lander;trinque: if not i, then next soldier. 1107373;1429740350;mircea_popescu;lobbes this is what happened to say, artifexd 1107374;1429740370;mircea_popescu;and as far as the retarded look goes, http://36.media.tumblr.com/ae9008632a0a1e630226461f386eeabc/tumblr_neoysg91fJ1s9yfq0o1_500.jpg 1107375;1429740371;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvB34d ) 1107376;1429740451;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/e38cdfdbea363b37c8f7619380d125e0/tumblr_nn4khahGu81qjb4auo1_500.jpg << lulz 1107377;1429740451;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvBdc1 ) 1107378;1429740461;ascii_lander;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107350 << must already be in hell 1107379;1429740461;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 21:39:33; mircea_popescu: maybe this is what asciilifeform has to do in hell. build all the shit. 1107380;1429740486;artifexd;Security is hard, m'kay... 1107381;1429740493;mircea_popescu;artifexd no contest. 1107382;1429740502;mircea_popescu;how goes anyways ? 1107383;1429740570;artifexd;I'm reviewing golang's crypto code. I have about 5 commits left. 1107384;1429740634;ben_vulpes;does it wrap openssl? 1107385;1429740654;artifexd;I have also been fleshing out internal organization. 1107386;1429740672;mircea_popescu;artifexd you making all this audit process public somewhere ? 1107387;1429740684;artifexd;Bottom line, I expect to have something to share for testing in 4 weeks. 1107388;1429740736;artifexd;I have my own fork of the code that has signed commits. 1107389;1429740751;artifexd;Did you mean something else? 1107390;1429740767;artifexd;ben_vulpes: no it does not 1107391;1429740799;mircea_popescu;artifexd im not sure. mostly poking at it. 1107392;1429740819;artifexd;I would prefer not to use the word "audit" as that implies I am qualified to do so. 1107393;1429740835;ben_vulpes;artifexd: well that sets it apart from all of the other crypto libs ascii_lander was going on about over coffee today 1107394;1429740888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00031348 = 3.3542 BTC [+] 1107395;1429740925;mircea_popescu;artifexd defaudit ? 1107396;1429740926;artifexd;I have not been keeping up with logs. 1107397;1429741001;artifexd;I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1107398;1429741062;mircea_popescu;aite. 1107399;1429741161;mircea_popescu;apparently, paris hilton's dog died. 1107400;1429741197;mircea_popescu;i'm putting that in here since we're doing all sorts of trivia shit like "who's paying usgavin to shit in bitcoin this week" and so on. 1107401;1429741241;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1107402;1429741242;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.63, Best ask: 234.64, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 234.63, 24 hour volume: 23879.93278316, 24 hour low: 232.0, 24 hour high: 238.99, 24 hour vwap: None 1107403;1429741319;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the fact that the imbeciles commenting on that thing stupid shite like "you make a poor assumption that the NSA or whoever couldn't also add backdoors and other such snoop to the source code base, so when you compile it yourself, you are compiling the NSA right in. Yes it would be more difficult, because the maintainers should be watching, but if they've been forced into it, would you even know?" doesn't eve 1107404;1429741319;mircea_popescu;n grate as much as the dude using disqus. 1107405;1429741343;mircea_popescu;fucking memory hole, "here guise, let me curl | sudo bash some stuff about how curl | sudo bash is bad mmkay" 1107406;1429741393;ben_vulpes;mhm. 1107407;1429741441;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: valkyrie came riding 1107408;1429741455;ben_vulpes;slaughtered derps 1107409;1429741460;mircea_popescu;lol srsly ? 1107410;1429741479;ben_vulpes;mhm! 1107411;1429741480;mircea_popescu;i love this show... 1107412;1429741493;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMHgc2HzQU 1107413;1429741494;assbot;Invader Zim - Gir - I love this show - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvDuE5 ) 1107414;1429741513;ben_vulpes;'twas a very good show 1107415;1429741537;ben_vulpes;even deflustered stan before packing him into cab 1107416;1429741552;mircea_popescu;lol 1107417;1429741710;mircea_popescu;and i didn't even give her a rifle this time 1107418;1429741715;mircea_popescu;you should see *that* shit. 1107419;1429742852;BingoBoingo;!b 5 1107420;1429742852;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2QENGHW.txt ) 1107421;1429743111;lobbes;heh, coinreport trying to steal my scoop. Qntra ahead of game still: https://coinreport.net/activemining-corporation-ordered-to-pay-state-of-missouri/ 1107422;1429743113;assbot;CoinReport ActiveMining Corporation ordered to pay state of Missouri - CoinReport ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvH29p ) 1107423;1429743206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00031482 = 10.7668 BTC [+] {2} 1107424;1429743281;mircea_popescu;lobbes no link eh ? (im too lazy to click) 1107425;1429743328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00031397 = 1.7268 BTC [-] 1107426;1429743389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00030893 = 8.0322 BTC [-] 1107427;1429743585;lobbes;to the qntra version? tis here: http://qntra.net/2015/03/missouri-secretary-of-state-orders-slaughter-to-pay-civil-penalties/ 1107428;1429743585;assbot;Missouri Secretary of State Orders Slaughter to Pay Civil Penalties | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1d1S9wN ) 1107429;1429743738;mircea_popescu;i meant in the coinreport thing 1107430;1429743770;lobbes;to the order? that be here: http://www.sos.mo.gov/securities/orders/AP-14-09b.pdf 1107431;1429743813;mircea_popescu;to qntra :D 1107432;1429743836;lobbes;ahhh now I see 1107433;1429743860;lobbes;naw I don't think they linked to qntra directly, just funny that they did the same scoop a month after us 1107434;1429743947;BingoBoingo;http://tktk.gawker.com/ben-smith-and-jonah-peretti-the-gawker-interview-1699230890/+trotter << Cripple fight 1107435;1429743948;assbot;Ben Smith and Jonah Peretti: The Gawker Interview ... ( http://bit.ly/1d1Ta89 ) 1107436;1429743995;mircea_popescu;jonah got tits at least ? 1107437;1429744058;BingoBoingo;Nah, but you get lines like "When we were sending around a draft of the standards document, what I said to everybody was, hey, read this really closely, because what you do when you publish standards, is that you make Gawker your public editor. Sure, well be looking for [violations of standards internally][but] youve got all of Twitter, and youve got Gawker. So I have really little to complain about, in some sense. Do 1107438;1429744059;BingoBoingo;you want to talk about this post that you emailed about? " 1107439;1429744102;BingoBoingo;Or from Jonah: "We should give you a call-in number, just because youve sort of become our public editor, our ombudsman or something, our ombudsman at BuzzFeed." 1107440;1429744114;mircea_popescu;ugh. 1107441;1429744121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00030893 = 4.2014 BTC [-] 1107442;1429744176;BingoBoingo;Gawker vs. TheCompanyThatPaysFaceSpaceToPromoteItsClickbait, I hope they both lose 1107443;1429744244;mircea_popescu;welll... suppose they both win 1107444;1429744253;mircea_popescu;win what ? a large bag of "you lose" ? 1107445;1429744775;mircea_popescu;https://en.fiverr.com/ derps 1107446;1429745524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19327 @ 0.00031522 = 6.0923 BTC [+] 1107447;1429745929;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_launchpad 1107448;1429745939;ascii_launchpad;danke mircea_popescu 1107449;1429745947;mircea_popescu;soo... 1107450;1429745950;mircea_popescu;you come here often ? 1107451;1429745957;ascii_launchpad;l0l never 1107452;1429745973;mircea_popescu;lol 1107453;1429745976;*;ascii_launchpad may or may not be zebrahitler 1107454;1429746028;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3fac4807ca5528d300aef1e091faba94/tumblr_ne22qsZETK1slq74qo1_1280.jpg 1107455;1429746030;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bwY10H ) 1107456;1429746034;*;ascii_launchpad was -of course- put by cabbie at the, ahm, wrong terminal, had to do a bit of gymnastics 1107457;1429746060;ascii_launchpad;^ mega-table 1107458;1429746262;ascii_launchpad;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107403 << wai wut... which imbeciles, which thing ? 1107459;1429746262;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 22:21:59; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the fact that the imbeciles commenting on that thing stupid shite like "you make a poor assumption that the NSA or whoever couldn't also add backdoors and other such snoop to the source code base, so when you compile it yourself, you are compiling the NSA right in. Yes it would be more difficult, because the maintainers should be watching, but if they've been forced into it, would you even 1107460;1429746281;ascii_launchpad;has no one heard of reviewing binaries ? 1107461;1429746293;mircea_popescu;http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201503/2015031201-the-sad-state-of-sysadmin-in-the-age-of-containers.html 1107462;1429746293;assbot;The sad state of sysadmin in the age of containers ... ( http://bit.ly/1bwZ3tx ) 1107463;1429746299;ascii_launchpad;aha 1107464;1429746323;ascii_launchpad;aahahahahahaha 1107465;1429746325;ascii_launchpad;that thing.. 1107466;1429746369;ascii_launchpad;'Consider for example Hadoop. Nobody seems to know how to build Hadoop from scratch.' << no one knows how to recreate a turd 'from scratch' either. though, there was this one 'art installation' fella who tried. had whole synthetic digestion apparatus, looked sorta like a small pharma pilot plant 1107467;1429746381;ascii_launchpad;wish i still had the link. 1107468;1429746441;ascii_launchpad;'To build Apache Bigtop, you apparently first have to install puppet3. Let it download magic data from the internet. Then it tries to run sudo puppet to enable the NSA backdoors (for example, it will download and install an outdated precompiled JDK, because it considers you too stupid to install Java.) And then hope the gradle build doesn't throw a 200 line useless backtrace.' << when do we set the biodiesel boilers 1107469;1429746446;ascii_launchpad;srsly 1107470;1429746476;mircea_popescu;ascii_launchpad turd is mostly processed hemoglobin. 1107471;1429746481;mircea_popescu;no way to make that without a circulatory system 1107472;1429746495;ascii_launchpad;'artist' was going for 'look&feel' compat 1107473;1429746504;ascii_launchpad;rather than, e.g., satisfying a dung beetle 1107474;1429746508;mircea_popescu;take a simpler thing : i wish to install varnish. 1107475;1429746529;mircea_popescu;http://www.cpanelkb.net/how-to-install-varnish-cache/ 1107476;1429746531;assbot;How to install Varnish Cache - cPanel KnowledgeBase ... ( http://bit.ly/1bwZRhQ ) 1107477;1429746537;mircea_popescu;# cd /usr/local/src 1107478;1429746538;mircea_popescu;# wget "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/itseasy21/w3tools-varnish/master/install.sh" -O /usr/local/src/varnish-install.sh 1107479;1429746538;mircea_popescu;# chmod +x varnish-install.sh 1107480;1429746538;mircea_popescu;# ./varnish-install.sh 1107481;1429746539;mircea_popescu;srsly ? 1107482;1429746548;mircea_popescu;urmomseasy123. 1107483;1429746570;mircea_popescu;meanwhile irl 1107484;1429746587;mircea_popescu;# yum install varnish 1107485;1429746588;mircea_popescu;No package varnish available. 1107486;1429746588;mircea_popescu;Error: Nothing to do 1107487;1429746598;ascii_launchpad;lol dead link 1107488;1429746606;mircea_popescu;o is it ? 1107489;1429746610;mircea_popescu;i hadn't even checked. 1107490;1429746617;mircea_popescu;because wtf, random github derp 1107491;1429746629;mircea_popescu;"Varnish Cache Proudly Presented by http://www.w3tool.blogspot.in/" 1107492;1429746631;assbot; Page Not Found | W3 TOOLS - Making Web Easier..! ... ( http://bit.ly/1bx0c4g ) 1107493;1429746633;mircea_popescu;as if 1107494;1429746640;ascii_launchpad;sp4m4tr0n! 1107495;1429746658;ascii_launchpad;'just werks' l0l 1107496;1429746672;ascii_launchpad;until it doesn't and you're stranded on pluto and now what. 1107497;1429746709;mircea_popescu;thing is, varnish is a kickass web cache. 1107498;1429746714;trinque;friend made a github scraper to find perpetrators of this: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/infoforcefeed/curl2sudo/master/offenders.json 1107499;1429746715;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bx0t7n ) 1107500;1429746733;mircea_popescu;takes trilema from burning 10-15 gb / day to about 200 / month. 1107501;1429746761;mircea_popescu;trinque gotta be more than that. 1107502;1429746765;ascii_launchpad;cache is useful, sure 1107503;1429746767;trinque;I don't think that was a complete run 1107504;1429746774;mircea_popescu;ascii_launchpad this is a particularly good one. 1107505;1429746783;trinque;he's got a twitter somewhere that farts 'em out 1107506;1429746785;trinque;couldn't find it 1107507;1429746793;*;ascii_launchpad knows of 'varnish' 1107508;1429746801;mircea_popescu;orly ? so hoiw do you install it ? 1107509;1429746809;mircea_popescu;"rpm -Uvh http://repo.varnish-cache.org/redhat/varnish-3.0/el5/noarch/varnish-release-3.0-1.noarch.rpm" ? 1107510;1429746809;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1bx0S9I ) 1107511;1429746820;*;ascii_launchpad has not the faintest idea how to install it today 1107512;1429746836;mircea_popescu;the web is so fulla win. 1107513;1429746838;*;ascii_launchpad left this behind in a galaxy far away, long ago. 1107514;1429746852;trinque;gentoo's ebuild doesn't look too heinous 1107515;1429746899;mircea_popescu;centos 6.6 1107516;1429746997;ascii_launchpad;'Feels like downloading Windows shareware in the 90s to me.' << l0l aha. pretty much everything but a very finely cultivated gentoo or bsd box feels like ^ 1107517;1429747021;mircea_popescu;people who finely cultivate women do not have the time to spend on cultivating boxes. 1107518;1429747059;ascii_launchpad;there is to be a solution to this 1107519;1429747073;ascii_launchpad;(or not. i didn't make this universe, i just werk here) 1107520;1429747105;trinque;solution's paying someone for a goddamn OS imo 1107521;1429747112;mircea_popescu;You can start that process by grabbing the repository: 1107522;1429747112;mircea_popescu;sudo curl http://repo.varnish-cache.org/debian/GPG-key.txt | sudo apt-key add - 1107523;1429747112;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bx21yf ) 1107524;1429747114;trinque;this is what free looks like 1107525;1429747117;ascii_launchpad;trinque: check your sofa cushions 1107526;1429747117;mircea_popescu;srsly ? apt-key add - ? 1107527;1429747128;ascii_launchpad;trinque: see a spare $maxint or two, perhaps 1107528;1429747137;trinque;ascii_launchpad: lol, no $maxint in there boss 1107529;1429747145;ascii_launchpad;it was worth a try. 1107530;1429747283;mircea_popescu;https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-nginx-on-centos-6-with-yum?comment=27577 << how to spread malware. 1107531;1429747288;assbot;How To Install nginx on CentOS 6 with yum | DigitalOcean ... ( http://bit.ly/1bx2Qa5 ) 1107532;1429747288;mircea_popescu;get that final link in there. 1107533;1429747330;mircea_popescu;http://nginx.org/en/linux_packages.html 1107534;1429747330;assbot;nginx: Linux packages ... ( http://bit.ly/1bx301m ) 1107535;1429747336;mircea_popescu;Alternatively, a repository configuration can be added manually without installing the nginx-release package. Create the file named /etc/yum.repos.d/nginx.repo with the following contents: 1107536;1429747336;mircea_popescu;[nginx] 1107537;1429747336;mircea_popescu;name=nginx repo 1107538;1429747336;mircea_popescu;baseurl=http://nginx.org/packages/OS/OSRELEASE/$basearch/ 1107539;1429747337;mircea_popescu;gpgcheck=0 1107540;1429747339;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. 1107541;1429747356;ascii_launchpad;l0l mircea_popescu is surprised ? 1107542;1429747359;ascii_launchpad;this -is- sop. 1107543;1429747366;mircea_popescu;im not surprised, i am displeased. 1107544;1429747434;mircea_popescu;w/e, im just gonna buy more bw / burn more electricity. 1107545;1429747439;mircea_popescu;i'm not goiing through this shit. 1107546;1429747444;*;ascii_launchpad wonders how many of these 'beautiful surprises' it would take to make mircea_popescu a candidate for same nuthouse as ascii_launchpad 1107547;1429747450;mircea_popescu;(btw, this is exactly how gentoo failed. ran out its time budget) 1107548;1429747512;ascii_launchpad;mircea_popescu: actually gentoo failed (in the usual sense of the word) long ago when its head dev sold soul to microshit 1107549;1429747521;ascii_launchpad;on account of, iirc, getting moietied 1107550;1429747522;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you. 1107551;1429747530;mircea_popescu;software itself runs great, packaging is the shit. 1107552;1429747537;mircea_popescu;women in tech really dropped the fucking ball. 1107553;1429747549;*;ascii_launchpad just walked by a 'women in tech' poster 1107554;1429747597;mircea_popescu;there's about ten square miles of packaging needlework that needs doing, and the doers are all derping about consent or some stupid shit like that. 1107555;1429747623;mircea_popescu;pronouns, whatever. 1107556;1429748724;Pierre_Rochard;!up ascii_launchpad 1107557;1429748753;ascii_launchpad;ty Pierre_Rochard. almost out of time though 1107558;1429748766;pete_dushenski;scoop echad : http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/22/parenting-is-going-to-be-hard/ 1107559;1429748767;assbot;Parenting is going to be hard. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zO4PvW ) 1107560;1429748769;ascii_launchpad;mircea_popescu: eventually folks will realize that it is -not- a needlework problem. 1107561;1429748785;pete_dushenski;scoop shtayim : http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/22/usgavins-headless-body-moves-on-bitcoin-assets-moves-up/ 1107562;1429748787;assbot;USGavin’s headless body moves on, #bitcoin-assets moves up. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zO4TMc ) 1107563;1429748796;ascii_launchpad;because it is not physically possible to breed and teach needleworkers fast enough to keep up with a complexity collapse. 1107564;1429748796;Pierre_Rochard;ascii_launchpad: ah well don’t leave w/o taking a look at this: http://www.amusingplanet.com/2012/05/poo-machine-by-wim-delvoye.html 1107565;1429748797;assbot;Poo Machine by Wim Delvoye | Amusing Planet ... ( http://bit.ly/1zO4Xvm ) 1107566;1429748809;ascii_launchpad;it is the whole definition of such a collapse, actually. 1107567;1429748830;ascii_launchpad;no one can carry water in buckets within order of magnitude of how quickly the flames spread. 1107568;1429748852;ascii_launchpad;for a while - it seemed possible, yes. 1107569;1429748864;ascii_launchpad;1980-2000 let's say arbitrarily. 1107570;1429748890;ascii_launchpad;(from when it was mostly clear, to dijkstra et al that -this- would come, to, well, when the symptoms became impossible to ignore for anyone half awake) 1107571;1429749124;pete_dushenski;"Delvoye stated that everything in modern life is pointless. The most useless object he could create was a machine that serves no purpose at all, besides the reduction of food to waste." << these intellectually poor artists and their purposes. 1107572;1429749148;pete_dushenski;i'd love to know who funded this guy's eight years of 'research' 1107573;1429749167;pete_dushenski;i want to guess that it was a government 1107574;1429749190;Pierre_Rochard;pro-biotic yogurt company 1107575;1429749193;pete_dushenski;ascii_countdown 'it's the final countdown' 1107576;1429749243;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R9zN7o_s2Y 1107577;1429749245;assbot;Arrested Development Best Scene Ever! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Huu0tP ) 1107578;1429749245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.0003185 = 5.5738 BTC [+] 1107579;1429749258;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard lol please tell me you're joking 1107580;1429749274;mircea_popescu;ascii_launchpad> because it is not physically possible to breed and teach needleworkers fast enough to keep up with a complexity collapse. << it's not a complexity collapse. i know how to manage this problem, i've done it before. 1107581;1429749289;mircea_popescu;if you got some needle work being done youy can use that fixed point to control "development" around it. 1107582;1429749291;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: haha yes, but this non-biologist doesn’t see why not! seems like the ideal controlled experiment machine 1107583;1429749319;mircea_popescu;but if you got zero because women are fucktarded (because "men" are fucktarded boys) every ordinary anything looks like a fucking pulsar colliding with a supernova. 1107584;1429749409;mircea_popescu;you really can't make shit without active bone marrow 1107585;1429749411;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_pulsar 1107586;1429749429;mircea_popescu;anyway ima go eat 1107587;1429749431;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard heh sure why not 1107588;1429749431;mircea_popescu;BABIES 1107589;1429749438;pete_dushenski;lol 1107590;1429749442;ascii_pulsar;wut 1107591;1429749449;Pierre_Rochard;bon appetit 1107592;1429749456;ascii_pulsar;aha foodlings 1107593;1429749467;ascii_pulsar;they crunch, crunch. 1107594;1429750038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84150 @ 0.00030836 = 25.9485 BTC [-] {4} 1107595;1429750465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00030689 = 8.5776 BTC [-] {3} 1107596;1429750937;mircea_popescu;!up liquidassets 1107597;1429750975;mircea_popescu;this is a thing nao ? 1107598;1429751022;liquidassets;haven't caught up with logs since end of c3, felt I was missing out 1107599;1429751073;mircea_popescu;lol 1107600;1429751075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.0003185 = 5.8445 BTC [+] 1107601;1429751185;liquidassets;Iiquidassets was there!! << http://trilema.com/2015/views-from-a-conference/ 1107602;1429751185;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPVrff ) 1107603;1429751244;mircea_popescu;aha. 1107604;1429751259;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski "If you the historians write about you." 1107605;1429751259;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1107606;1429751370;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5f930017bebc54ed7b2723594a70d5f0/tumblr_n8xsxzmnYv1r8wl2xo1_1280.jpg 1107607;1429751371;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPW3BI ) 1107608;1429751396;liquidassets;MP can you elaborate on how you don't see bitcoin being retail anything? It seems your thoughts work more in eons, won't there will be an in between time where things might not be end game yet 1107609;1429751435;mircea_popescu;bitcoin works for say trilema credits retail, whatcha talkin' aboot ? 1107610;1429751447;mircea_popescu;!up jjj 1107611;1429751452;liquidassets;when you see it... 1107612;1429751489;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1107613;1429751493;liquidassets;I can't remember when or where you said it, but it seems like you're pretty down on bitcoin being used for retail purchases 1107614;1429751501;liquidassets;...the plug.. 1107615;1429751525;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 < there ? 1107616;1429751526;assbot;Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkAywn ) 1107617;1429751547;liquidassets;the more I get into retail the more I want to incentivize bitcoin payments 1107618;1429751561;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with that. 1107619;1429751590;mircea_popescu;the idea was that bitcoin isn't going to change to accomodate the retail market, principally because the retail market is (necessarily) much too small. 1107620;1429751596;mircea_popescu;othere than that... if it works for you use it. 1107621;1429751649;liquidassets;"People try to, because of the misguided belief that Bitcoin value is somehow related to or deriving from its crossection in the retail market" < [23:47] # cd /usr/local/src << baww look at the hobbyist sysadmin 1107675;1429756199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.0003069 = 11.0637 BTC [-] {3} 1107676;1429756202;mircea_popescu;what, what did i do ? 1107677;1429756218;ben_vulpes;discovering the deep bitrot 1107678;1429756224;ben_vulpes;look do what the 'professionals' do 1107679;1429756226;ben_vulpes;give up 1107680;1429756231;ben_vulpes;cry at night 1107681;1429756235;ben_vulpes;beat yer kids 1107682;1429756241;trinque;drink, forever 1107683;1429756242;ben_vulpes;drink too much 1107684;1429756244;trinque;lol 1107685;1429756249;ben_vulpes;bwaha 1107686;1429756263;mircea_popescu;mmmm... 1107687;1429756295;ben_vulpes;* ascii_launchpad [00:04] just walked by a 'women in tech' poster << in the airport?! 1107688;1429756338;ben_vulpes;http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/22/parenting-is-going-to-be-hard/ "whose company we enjoy" << dude you're barely ever here what "we"? 1107689;1429756339;assbot;Parenting is going to be hard. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKvEGo ) 1107690;1429756386;ben_vulpes;blech and with the capitalizing of my carefully uncapitalized lines 1107691;1429756452;ben_vulpes;look, pete, if the lord had intended capitalization, he'd have capitalized whatever himself. 1107692;1429756498;mircea_popescu;sooo... how do you two install varnish 1107693;1429756601;ben_vulpes; "beating heart of the source code" << more like well-armed guardians of the blood in the fly in the amber 1107694;1429756658;trinque;mircea_popescu: I've yet to hit upon a devops process I actually like. On gentoo at least it appears to be an emerge varnish; rc-update add varnish default; /etc/init.d/varnish start 1107695;1429756669;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i only actually use nginx. 1107696;1429756677;mircea_popescu;i have nginx. 1107697;1429756683;ben_vulpes;and still need varnish?! 1107698;1429756685;mircea_popescu;but varnish actually halps. 1107699;1429756686;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1107700;1429756693;trinque;could just do memcached 1107701;1429756694;ben_vulpes;above my pay grade boss 1107702;1429756697;mircea_popescu;i dun think you laymen understand what a real blog is like. 1107703;1429756707;trinque;guy's got actual traffic to contend with 1107704;1429756719;ben_vulpes; i dun think you laymen understand running php under load is like << ftfy 1107705;1429756720;trinque;mircea_popescu: memcached has performed well for me in the past, is supported by nginx 1107706;1429756734;ben_vulpes;have you tried hiphop vm? 1107707;1429756738;mircea_popescu;vm ?! 1107708;1429756741;mircea_popescu;why would i want a vm! 1107709;1429756760;ben_vulpes;it's the latest and greatest in php performance tekmology! 1107710;1429756772;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes php has 0 to do with it. for one thing, it's compiled. for the other, it's apache that gets hammered, purely a html problem. 1107711;1429756809;ben_vulpes;just trollin u boss 1107712;1429756813;ben_vulpes;like i said, above my pay grade 1107713;1429756834;mircea_popescu;i don't really understand the magic, but when running varnish hits ~= pages. 1107714;1429756847;ben_vulpes; "are self-funded and self-motivated" << the actual footnote you want here is the reference to the deficits that serenissima runs 1107715;1429756848;mircea_popescu;when not running varnish, hits > 2x pages. this makes a difference because children. 1107716;1429756852;mircea_popescu;!up joeblo 1107717;1429756932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16393 @ 0.00032208 = 5.2799 BTC [+] {2} 1107718;1429757070;ben_vulpes;i suspect that mircea_popescu booked out all of hotel redacto for con3 1107719;1429757078;ben_vulpes;all of a sudden there is life in the thing 1107720;1429757088;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is literally true, seeing how they had one of your suites per floor. 1107721;1429757105;ben_vulpes;nice suites btw! 1107722;1429757111;mircea_popescu;i was like "but i want the cool rooms, like i had", guy was like "well i hope you don't have more than 8 people coming then, because we're not building a patio" 1107723;1429757174;joeblo;I'm curious, what's the standard implementation for digital assets? 1107724;1429757195;ben_vulpes;there is no standard, joeblo 1107725;1429757201;ben_vulpes;look at mpex, each contract is different 1107726;1429757233;joeblo;Okay, cool thanks 1107727;1429757301;ben_vulpes;for the very simple reason that complex financial instruments are rarely fungible. 1107728;1429757303;ben_vulpes;options, sure. 1107729;1429757305;joeblo;I'm trying to dev up to an API but there doesn't seem to be a definite answer for this 1107730;1429757308;ben_vulpes;stocks, meh. 1107731;1429757320;ben_vulpes;joeblo: "deb up to an API" << wat 1107732;1429757339;joeblo;For example, coloredcoins 1107733;1429757352;joeblo;Sure, that's not an API, but there are API's around it 1107734;1429757375;ben_vulpes;(you don't need that apostrophe, fyi) 1107735;1429757396;ben_vulpes; [01:09] when you see it... << heh i missed it 1107736;1429757402;ben_vulpes;!gettrust liquidassets 1107737;1429757402;assbot;liquidassets is not registered in WoT. 1107738;1429757411;ben_vulpes;HARUMPH 1107739;1429757469;ben_vulpes; [01:26] might not end up being bitcoin itself << of necessity must be something else 1107740;1429757488;ben_vulpes;did briefly look into providing "how likely is this addr to doublespend" as a service 1107741;1429757591;ben_vulpes; [01:40] nah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEZC0ZJ1AW8 << scam, was expecting physics 1107742;1429757592;assbot;Liquid Tension Experiment - Universal Mind - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyaN0 ) 1107743;1429757647;ben_vulpes;lobbes: "and omitting to state material facts." << something trips my native engrish filter in this 1107744;1429757663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26016 @ 0.00030468 = 7.9266 BTC [-] 1107745;1429757695;ben_vulpes;"roughly 3000 BTC" << ascii_* now that's a rocket 1107746;1429757747;ben_vulpes;http://qntra.net/2014/10/caleb-chen-stephanie-murphy-brian-sovryn-assist-ponzi-scheme/#comment-19226 << v active this williamdunne 1107747;1429757748;assbot;Caleb Chen, Stephanie Murphy & Brian Sovryn Assist Ponzi Scheme | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyziy ) 1107748;1429757900;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/redline6561/coleslaw << trinque i think might actually use hutchentoot 1107749;1429757901;assbot;redline6561/coleslaw · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QlynLY ) 1107750;1429757915;trinque;ben_vulpes: do it 1107751;1429757931;trinque;I was eyeballing it as a rest interface generator thinger before tripping over postgreset 1107752;1429757932;trinque;*grest 1107753;1429757936;ben_vulpes;http://zerolength.com/ << heh although this is a pretty good blog title 1107754;1429757936;assbot;RANT EVAL BLOG LOOP ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qlyw22 ) 1107755;1429757938;trinque;not that it does that, but building one in it 1107756;1429757988;ben_vulpes;postgrest ++ 1107757;1429758148;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nox57hdgeAU << i'll be the last to goooooooo 1107758;1429758149;assbot;Del Amitri - Always The Last To Know - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qlz9bQ ) 1107759;1429758152;*;ben_vulpes goes for smokes alone 1107760;1429762246;trinque;ben_vulpes: | postgrest ++ << that it uses basic auth is the biggest wart I see 1107761;1429764495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00032048 = 5.2398 BTC [+] 1107762;1429765410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61850 @ 0.00031894 = 19.7264 BTC [-] {3} 1107763;1429767301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00032272 = 3.0658 BTC [+] 1107764;1429767545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11278 @ 0.00031842 = 3.5911 BTC [-] 1107765;1429769559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00032272 = 4.1308 BTC [+] 1107766;1429770108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00032346 = 8.2644 BTC [+] {3} 1107767;1429771511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00032555 = 6.7714 BTC [+] 1107768;1429772121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9834 @ 0.00032654 = 3.2112 BTC [+] {2} 1107769;1429772628;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on " BTC to top $350 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1135/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.68313103 BTC. Current weight: 96,738. 1107770;1429773158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17255 @ 0.00032431 = 5.596 BTC [-] 1107771;1429774439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12395 @ 0.00032749 = 4.0592 BTC [+] 1107772;1429779502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00032523 = 6.7973 BTC [-] 1107773;1429780234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00032605 = 7.4502 BTC [+] {3} 1107774;1429780801;cazalla;check out those searches.. "josh garza wife naked" http://i.imgur.com/rkqr7gv.png 1107775;1429780802;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgbPIl ) 1107776;1429783650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00031961 = 13.5195 BTC [-] {2} 1107777;1429784476;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttfinex 1107778;1429784477;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.07, Best ask: 235.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.24000, Last trade: 235.24, 24 hour volume: 16683.3115803, 24 hour low: 232.83, 24 hour high: 238.99, 24 hour vwap: None 1107779;1429785478;williamdunne;;;later tell mircea_popescu do you know how long each encryption/decryption takes on MPEX for submitted orders? 1107780;1429785478;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1107781;1429785490;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1107782;1429785584;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Would you mind sharing it with me? 1107783;1429785589;williamdunne;wondered it for a while 1107784;1429785596;williamdunne;*about it 1107785;1429785598;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/vessenes-foundation-draws-near-its-end-vessenes-out-as-chairman/ 1107786;1429785598;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ga5WIC ) 1107787;1429785627;mircea_popescu;encryption may be vulnerable to timing, which is why schemes are made to work in equal time. 1107788;1429785644;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo b-a adds another head to its panoply. 1107789;1429785655;mircea_popescu;i suppose asciilifeform won't agree he was beheaded, of course, because "still walks". 1107790;1429785752;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: At this point we'll have to start husking them so we can put smaller jars on the shelves which only accomodate whatever was in the cranium. 1107791;1429785761;mircea_popescu;lol 1107792;1429785782;mircea_popescu;b-a's collection of very small empty jars! 1107793;1429785786;mircea_popescu;like java! 1107794;1429785812;mircea_popescu;hm scoopbot's dead for good huh 1107795;1429785817;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-triviality-of-slaying-the-surviving-socialist-beast/ 1107796;1429785818;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYJU0c ) 1107797;1429785854;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl dude i get it, you gotta job, but you can't just leave. gotta make arrangements, who's gonna run scoopbot now ? where's the repository ? etc. 1107798;1429785854;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1107799;1429785866;mircea_popescu;why's the rg style so common ffs. 1107800;1429785994;jurov;why not? 1107801;1429786095;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski Maybe you can do a scoopbot for your coding learning and to discover what makes contravex RSS so weird 1107802;1429786095;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1107803;1429786112;mircea_popescu;'cause we're adults ? 1107804;1429786207;jurov;you know, it's that "quit a job, forget everything instantly" kind of adults 1107805;1429786326;jurov;fuckyeahmurica: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/04/teacher_terrified_by_surprise.html 1107806;1429786327;assbot;Teacher terrified by surprise 'active shooter' drill in eastern Oregon schoolhouse files federal lawsuit | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYLijj ) 1107807;1429786374;mircea_popescu;jurov i'd be afraid to get married. "well son... your dad left for a pack of ciggs back in 2012" 1107808;1429786838;jurov;yes, happens 1107809;1429787081;jurov;!mpif 1107810;1429787082;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-] 1107811;1429787140;mircea_popescu;!up scoopbot_revived 1107812;1429787144;mircea_popescu;lol whossat 1107813;1429787175;scoopbot_revived;Just having a crack at re-building scoopbot 1107814;1429787259;mircea_popescu;our bots fucking live, for crying out loud. 1107815;1429787265;mircea_popescu;generations, heavy stuff. 1107816;1429787298;scoopbot_revived;Seems like he is dead 1107817;1429787343;scoopbot_revived;!register 8501B2A64453796C5FD544B296C4CF3215685733 1107818;1429787343;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 8501B2A64453796C5FD544B296C4CF3215685733. This may take a few moments. 1107819;1429787343;assbot;No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu. 1107820;1429787397;mircea_popescu;williamdunne kinda what i meant. "live" in the general, old man dies, son takes its place, stuff like that. 1107821;1429787615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00031803 = 3.9277 BTC [-] 1107822;1429787859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00031258 = 6.7674 BTC [-] 1107823;1429788532;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_panama 1107824;1429788715;ascii_panama;how to not love Spam Air 1107825;1429788896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60850 @ 0.00033196 = 20.1998 BTC [+] {5} 1107826;1429788905;mircea_popescu;any vikings aboard ? 1107827;1429788929;ascii_panama;spmodin himself 1107828;1429789032;mircea_popescu;lol 1107829;1429789497;ascii_panama;and similarly, derpistans where a working mains socket is unheard-of 1107830;1429789600;mircea_popescu;oh, pics of the coin thing 1107831;1429789671;ascii_panama;which one 1107832;1429789690;ascii_panama;the charger? it was in viruviru 1107833;1429789702;ascii_panama;and, interestingly, right next to a normal mains socket 1107834;1429789710;ascii_panama;folks who noticed, queued up for the latter 1107835;1429789736;ascii_panama;didn't remember to take a pic of this idiocy, it was best i could do to avoid sleeping. for: 1107836;1429789756;ascii_panama;if you sleep in viruviru, clench the muscles of yer zero 1107837;1429789769;ascii_panama;(anyone is welcome to better formula) 1107838;1429789787;mircea_popescu;lol 1107839;1429789820;ascii_panama;they even halted boarding because dog snorted 1107840;1429789851;ascii_panama;ended up trotting it out, again, sniffing bags 1107841;1429789871;ascii_panama;asked 'why'. monkey: 'porque bolivia' 1107842;1429789917;mircea_popescu;lmao 1107843;1429789933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00032806 = 11.154 BTC [-] 1107844;1429789970;mircea_popescu;Subject: Marriage 1107845;1429789970;mircea_popescu;From: "Antonina" 1107846;1429789994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29331 @ 0.00032802 = 9.6212 BTC [-] 1107847;1429790000;ascii_panama;lolwut 1107848;1429790054;mircea_popescu;"Hi. I want to be with a man who wants to start a strong relationship and who can care of his beloved woman. Are you independent and tender man? I would be happy to get know each other better! I am a attractive and affectionate lady. I can add that I am well-tempered and romantic. " 1107849;1429790097;mircea_popescu;such is the nature of the beta male that "romantic" (aka, sexually dysfunctional) is a selling point 1107850;1429790108;mircea_popescu;(hey, she sucks at fucking, which means better men won't take her from me!) 1107851;1429790125;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what "well tempered" is supposed to mean, but perhaps resilient, which is in fact a corner stone of feminity. 1107852;1429790154;ascii_panama;waiwut 1107853;1429790163;mircea_popescu;use it in a sentence. 1107854;1429790168;ascii_panama;this is a work of spmodin, not meant to be understood by man 1107855;1429790177;ascii_panama;no one actually reads and believes any of this. 1107856;1429790180;mircea_popescu;it is meant to be understood by "man", yes. 1107857;1429790181;ascii_panama;cargocult. 1107858;1429790192;mircea_popescu;maybe. tho... the derps on fetlife... 1107859;1429790195;mircea_popescu;allow me to quote, 1 sec 1107860;1429790236;ascii_panama;anyone who might end up with the notion that there is something to buy into here, could not possibly have money - on account of profound clinical retardation 1107861;1429790308;ascii_panama;but in the abstract - the notion that xxx might reliably have sex, vs a specimen who won't, is a 'selling point', yes 1107862;1429790350;ascii_panama;dan mocsny's 'smv' is market like any other. 1107863;1429790673;mircea_popescu;ascii_panama http://dpaste.com/0R6RVZJ << there. 1107864;1429790674;assbot;dpaste: 0R6RVZJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx7Wh5 ) 1107865;1429790681;mircea_popescu;40 imaginary millions. 1107866;1429790689;mircea_popescu;kickstarter, the works. 1107867;1429790822;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_panama 1107868;1429790835;ascii_panama;danke BingoBoingo 1107869;1429790863;ascii_panama;re: the spam thread: mircea_popescu laughs, but market consisting solely of 'mazerati' does not make sense 1107870;1429790886;mircea_popescu;how does market consisting solely of symbolics machiens make sense then ? 1107871;1429790894;ascii_panama;it doesn't 1107872;1429790903;mircea_popescu;!b 3 1107873;1429790903;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19FXFXK.txt ) 1107874;1429790904;ascii_panama;though marginally more plausible 1107875;1429790911;mircea_popescu;we shall keep this in our compartment. 1107876;1429790927;ascii_panama;machines are far easier to produce than hot gurlz 1107877;1429790941;ascii_panama;and no one has ever been turned down by a lisp mach. 1107878;1429790953;ascii_panama;these differences are not unimportant. 1107879;1429790965;BingoBoingo;ascii_panama: Depends on the production scale 1107880;1429790972;ascii_panama;any scale. 1107881;1429791050;mircea_popescu;anyway, ftr, men over 60 are BY FAR the most vulnerable demographic. 1107882;1429791059;ascii_panama;this is obvious to a doorknob 1107883;1429791059;mircea_popescu;not that I care, fuck em, but as far as truth goes. 1107884;1429791090;mircea_popescu;i find it particularly poetic that they should get raped with a spiked club, incidentally. 1107885;1429791096;mircea_popescu;were they better men, we wouldn't be here. 1107886;1429791104;ascii_panama;what else could possibly happen to them ? 1107887;1429791123;mircea_popescu;depends on the context. but in the pseudocivilised west, nothing else. 1107888;1429791182;ascii_panama;better men, wut ? 1107889;1429791187;*;ascii_panama confused 1107890;1429791371;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1107891;1429791389;ascii_panama;'were they better men, we wouldn't be here.' << ? 1107892;1429791426;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1107893;1429791436;ascii_panama;better how ? 1107894;1429791453;ascii_panama;used better birthcontrol ? 1107895;1429791455;ascii_panama;or what 1107896;1429791602;mircea_popescu;either better whips or better castration knives, sure. 1107897;1429791797;ascii_panama;some nonzero portion of socialistoidderp is 'revenge' of low-smv folks against the high. dan mocsny observed this and it is a hypothesis with some explanatory power. 1107898;1429791821;mircea_popescu;aha 1107899;1429791835;mats;tomorrow AMZN will release earnings, esp as rel. to AWS 1107900;1429791838;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/4RJGkYrh.png << Better 1107901;1429791838;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxb3Wr ) 1107902;1429791853;mircea_popescu;mats got anything riding on it ? 1107903;1429791886;mats;i bought a few shares 1107904;1429791903;mircea_popescu;curious how this plays out 1107905;1429792293;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_panama 1107906;1429792348;mircea_popescu;ahahaha turns out fetlife has a group dedicated to me nao. 1107907;1429792366;BingoBoingo;lol 1107908;1429792374;BingoBoingo;Do they still call you Trilema? 1107909;1429792435;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/fetlife-has-a-group-dedicated-to-me-now.png 1107910;1429792435;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxcp3h ) 1107911;1429792456;mircea_popescu;imagine! 1107912;1429792471;ascii_panama;woah what is that even written in 1107913;1429792506;mircea_popescu;lua ? 1107914;1429792612;mircea_popescu;lmao and apparently they brigaded a bunch of random people off twitter/facebook too. 1107915;1429792694;ascii_panama;oil the 'maxims', it's a meatwave. 1107916;1429792907;ben_vulpes;probably the last users 1107917;1429792948;ben_vulpes;d'you know - i saw "respond via what's app" on some ad while en el sur? 1107918;1429793047;mircea_popescu;apparently it's popular wherever people don't have money. 1107919;1429793055;mircea_popescu;splendid internets business model. 1107920;1429793057;mircea_popescu;!up scoopbot_revived 1107921;1429793092;ascii_panama;mircea_popescu: it isn't like other chat gizmos cost money...? 1107922;1429793113;mircea_popescu;so what pays the server bills ? 1107923;1429793120;mircea_popescu;the hope that they one day may be sold shit, for money. 1107924;1429793122;williamdunne;Would it be possible to give scoop some rep so he can !up himself? 1107925;1429793129;ascii_panama;the bezzle pays for the box 1107926;1429793131;mircea_popescu;yes. what handle you settled on ? 1107927;1429793142;ascii_panama;'jam tomorrow' ad infinitum. 1107928;1429793146;mircea_popescu;ascii_panama but the bezzle is nothing but an interface oin that same api. 1107929;1429793152;williamdunne;scoopbot_revived but I don't mind changing it 1107930;1429793157;mircea_popescu;works for me 1107931;1429793182;mircea_popescu;!rate scoopbot_revived 1 Valliant Sir Scoop Bot the Third. 1107932;1429793182;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5b2072419749c169 1107933;1429793202;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.scoopbot_revived.1:50e37ded45b3e1b6a16c1f7892b4cbeefeaa8dcbc329df3facc92c1ea744a106 1107934;1429793203;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for scoopbot_revived with note: Valliant Sir Scoop Bot the Third. 1107935;1429793207;mircea_popescu;!rated assbot 1107936;1429793207;assbot;You rated user assbot on 12-Apr-2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: Nuclear sub delivered 2 days before order while paying me $500. 1107937;1429793217;mircea_popescu;o.O 1107938;1429793221;mircea_popescu;!rated deedbot- 1107939;1429793221;assbot;deedbot- is not registered in WoT. 1107940;1429793226;williamdunne;Tanks Mircea 1107941;1429793235;mircea_popescu;!rated scoopbot 1107942;1429793235;assbot;scoopbot is not registered in WoT. 1107943;1429793380;williamdunne;Wahey, successfully !ups himself 1107944;1429793384;mircea_popescu;wd. 1107945;1429793422;ben_vulpes;;;ud crumbs 1107946;1429793423;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crumbs | Crumbs. 1. A small light amount of something 2. An expression of dismay. 1. What small i garnish my chicken with? I know bread crumbs 2. Oh crumbs i've left  ... 1107947;1429793521;ben_vulpes;crumbs? 1107948;1429793525;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes from what i've been explained, it's so that the tribe of a user gets a reference they can follow in their flux 1107949;1429793554;mircea_popescu;discussions are otherwise opaque but for the "x commented on y" notifications everyone gets. 1107950;1429793701;mircea_popescu;"I read your update ... I understand how it makes you feel and I understand your concerns ... I am not saying he didn't do anything wrong and I think he is the ultimate douchebag mixed with disrespectful on so many levels ... but fetlife has been filled with writings about that list. And having someone's screenname is not exactly going to make it easy to find them in most cities ... so he is actually getting exactly th 1107951;1429793702;mircea_popescu;e reaction he wants ... he is a huge attention slut! And we are just giving him exactly what he wants ..." 1107952;1429793733;mircea_popescu;such a perfect fucking storm. admire the dilemma these poor people face. if they stfu about it, well... then they're kneeling in silent abjection before the man, right ? just like the man said. 1107953;1429793741;mircea_popescu;but if they don't... what, fetlife becomes mplife ? 1107954;1429793776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00031408 = 4.8682 BTC [-] 1107955;1429793780;mircea_popescu;the dilemma, the one true mark of the simple mind stretched to fit holes larger than it ever possibily could. 1107956;1429793807;ascii_panama;separate out the top pets, then ???, then - profit ? 1107957;1429793843;mircea_popescu;i am aware this may be hard to impossible to believe, but srsly, i act from cause. 1107958;1429793861;mircea_popescu;that baku scammer dude should have fixed his site in pass 1 and thank me for it. 1107959;1429793870;*;ascii_panama finds this quite easy to believe 1107960;1429793913;mircea_popescu;"Did anyone notice that he has 4 volumes or that at the bottom he has everything copyrighted? How the hell do you copyright someone's personal information?" 1107961;1429793936;*;ascii_panama did not imagine that mircea_popescu seriously -needed- the actual pieces of this piñata for anything in particular 1107962;1429793938;mircea_popescu;the ridiculous thing about copyright is that i actually have a perfectly valid claim to the copyright of the lists i published. copyright attaches to selection of material. 1107963;1429793949;williamdunne;Okay, what blogs would you guys like to see in scoop? Currently thinking Contravex, Qntra, Trilema, btcalpha. Probably missing a few. 1107964;1429793964;mircea_popescu;shit the list is lost too ?! 1107965;1429793993;williamdunne;Well, I don't know where to find it, happy to just use the old list though 1107966;1429794022;mircea_popescu;williamdunne : btcalpha.com btctrading.wordpress.com cascadianhacker.com contravex.com devilsadvocate.biz explo.yt fr.anco.is www.loper-os.org pankkake.headfucking.net qntra.net blog.spagni.net thedrinkingrecord.com thestringpuller.tumbler.com thewhet.net trilema.com 1107967;1429794048;mircea_popescu;feel free to not include anything that has no posts this year 1107968;1429794057;mircea_popescu;subject to owner bitching here and getting back in 1107969;1429794062;mike_c;bitch! 1107970;1429794077;*;ascii_panama guilty 1107971;1429794078;mike_c;(for btcalpha.com) 1107972;1429794096;mircea_popescu;well get on with it dawgs! once per quarter for crying out loud, it's like fucking. 1107973;1429794129;ben_vulpes;bitching! 1107974;1429794138;ben_vulpes;also probably guilty 1107975;1429794145;mircea_popescu;"this guy is a complete disrespectful, arrogant asshole. Reading his "blog" literally made me feel ill." 1107976;1429794148;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_panama 1107977;1429794151;*;ascii_panama is definitely doing a c3 piece but has no idea when, might have to sleep for a week 1st 1107978;1429794161;mircea_popescu;this would be the purpose and the mark of art, right nubbins` ? 1107979;1429794185;mircea_popescu;;;seen nubbins` 1107980;1429794186;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 8 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: oh right, yeah 1107981;1429794205;mircea_popescu;what happened to him anyway ? wasn't he just about to confront the weirdo guy subletting from him when he disappeared ? 1107982;1429794297;williamdunne;Don't think cascadian has a feed 1107983;1429794370;ben_vulpes;ha yeah that's right fu rss 1107984;1429794382;mircea_popescu;so how you gonna be included ? 1107985;1429794391;ben_vulpes;inclusion is for teh masses! 1107986;1429794413;ben_vulpes;!s the site is the feed 1107987;1429794414;assbot;1 results for 'the site is the feed' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+site+is+the+feed 1107988;1429794427;ben_vulpes;!s the post is the feed 1107989;1429794428;assbot;2 results for 'the post is the feed' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+post+is+the+feed 1107990;1429794455;ben_vulpes;imma rewrite it in ruby on rails this wknd 1107991;1429794473;mircea_popescu;o noes bencash, wai u rewrite in fetlife! 1107992;1429794474;ascii_panama;snobol on slugs 1107993;1429794495;ascii_panama;intercal on ichtheosaurs 1107994;1429794523;ascii_panama;brainfuck on buruli ulcer. 1107995;1429794531;ben_vulpes;i think my lulzmuscles are exhausted from con 1107996;1429794555;BingoBoingo;Ruby Riding Rail 1107997;1429794572;mircea_popescu;dude so much mileage of this stuff. "Why is my post deleted again al hackers let unit until we find the fucker and break his site and get the scumbag" ; 1107998;1429794573;mircea_popescu;"Is there a way we can drag him into the light of day. Out him for the misogynous bastard he is? The name links to a lot of Bitcoin info... Same guy? If it is, I wonder how potential investors would feel about his cyber-terrorist behavior." 1107999;1429794580;ascii_panama;!s ruby sybian 1108000;1429794580;assbot;1 results for 'ruby sybian' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ruby+sybian 1108001;1429794592;mircea_popescu;i suppose at this rate mpoe-pr will have to be conscripted again. 1108002;1429794617;ascii_panama;mircea_popescu: give'er a 'maxim' 1108003;1429794632;mircea_popescu;but i mean... wait. "out him" ? how is this supposed to work for the love of god. 1108004;1429794639;ascii_panama;none of this deserves the individual shot-in-head attention imho 1108005;1429794643;mircea_popescu;the barristas are all upset and so i change my mind about things ? 1108006;1429794657;mircea_popescu;ascii_panama allow me to quote poetry to you! 1108007;1429794698;mircea_popescu;"Trăind în cercul vostru strâmt norocul vă petrece ; ci eu în lumea mea mă simt nemuritor și rece." 1108008;1429794718;mircea_popescu;it's kind of fascinating, i'm a little boy at heart, i just lifted a rock and omfg the grub it covered! 1108009;1429794766;ascii_panama;i did something very vaguely similar once, with the 'clojure' post 1108010;1429794780;mircea_popescu;was it unpleasant ? 1108011;1429794785;ascii_panama;even though no one was pwned or otherwise physically disciplined - the derp continues to this day. 1108012;1429794794;ascii_panama;it was hilarious! 1108013;1429794797;ascii_panama;is, still. 1108014;1429794814;ascii_panama;the sheer struggle of the morons to avoid reacting to the kick in the face 1108015;1429794822;mircea_popescu;well you will notice that nothing happened here also. it's just ... what was that word, for an item that breaks minds ? it was visual in the original sf novel. like a fractal. 1108016;1429794841;ascii_panama;pretending that there was not, and could not have been, a kick, or a face to kick 1108017;1429794849;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's a sort of memetic prion. a certain kind of broken mental software can not gaze upon this thing, it collapses into a new foldage. 1108018;1429794850;ascii_panama;and tht what they're spitting isn't -really- teeth 1108019;1429794874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00031443 = 6.493 BTC [+] 1108020;1429794952;mircea_popescu;"He could fall under international terrorism law as a cyber terrorist, if I am not mistaken." 1108021;1429794954;ascii_panama;!s blit 1108022;1429794955;assbot;6 results for 'blit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blit 1108023;1429794959;ascii_panama;^ it. 1108024;1429794961;mircea_popescu;ah yes the blit 1108025;1429794988;mircea_popescu;i suppose as the legal concept is defined in english, this factually is terrorism. 1108026;1429794999;mircea_popescu;what brave new world. 1108027;1429794999;ascii_panama;of course there were earlier stories. one involving a record player, for instance. and if one thinks, the whole thing goes back to at least medusa 1108028;1429795026;mircea_popescu;ascii_panama medusa broke the hardware, so to speak, whereas these things are more akin to ... normal education. 1108029;1429795049;mircea_popescu;as per plato's education : in a cave bereft of light, light hurts the eyes. in a world where education's a long lost tech, education hurts the mind. 1108030;1429795078;mircea_popescu;"This makes me sick. He is dangerous...this is just the start of his twisted mind" physically sick. like photomigraine sick. 1108031;1429795083;mircea_popescu;puking and everything. 1108032;1429795098;ascii_panama;especially if the only lesson resulting is 'go eat a nagant' 1108033;1429795098;ascii_panama;because many of the students are quite far gone 1108034;1429795119;mircea_popescu;i am not so convinced. 1108035;1429795127;ascii_panama;that they will resist this lesson, should surprise no one. 1108036;1429795155;ascii_panama;i mean, yes 'we don't do solutions' (TM) (R) but what'd you have'em do ? 1108037;1429795160;mircea_popescu;you know what the tango instructor was saying "the woman must resist the man's intention. if she does not, and just takes off, the guy's left there wondering who is he dancing with. the air ?" 1108038;1429795162;ascii_panama;homo redditicus, that is 1108039;1429795202;ascii_panama;aha? 1108040;1429795217;mircea_popescu;feedback is important for dancing like it is important for HIDs, like is important here. 1108041;1429795231;mircea_popescu;i don't contemplate the notion that resistence is an omen of eventual failure. 1108042;1429795281;ascii_panama;it isn't simply about this particular instance of resistance though 1108043;1429795304;mircea_popescu;you can't mistreat a sixteen year old on the grounds that your 50yo ex wife was a harpy. 1108044;1429795306;ascii_panama;homo redditicus is not homo sapiens and i know of no means of pulling off the transformation 1108045;1429795315;mircea_popescu;well, that'd be its problem. 1108046;1429795423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00031443 = 3.1286 BTC [+] 1108047;1429795448;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ever figure varnish out? 1108048;1429795463;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/29MWTSE << if this isn't the mark of complete anomie i have no idea what it'd be. check it out, the un raporteur. ima go hang out with milosevici and gadaffi nao, because derps may not ever be upset! 1108049;1429795464;assbot;dpaste: 29MWTSE ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaAvxS ) 1108050;1429795479;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes stopped looking about the time i said yest. y ? 1108051;1429795570;ben_vulpes;just axin 1108052;1429795766;williamdunne;Ok, ScoopBot should now be working, won't know until someone makes a new post though 1108053;1429795771;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/3877PYR << this derp left a buncha http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-iv/#comment-113813 yest. 1108054;1429795772;assbot;dpaste: 3877PYR ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaBnT9 ) 1108055;1429795772;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaBnTd ) 1108056;1429795786;mircea_popescu;williamdunne actually i was gonna write a spec, soi i guess brb 1108057;1429795798;williamdunne;Ideal 1108058;1429795850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00030991 = 12.7063 BTC [-] {4} 1108059;1429796612;mircea_popescu;mk, should be 10-20 minutes. 1108060;1429796628;williamdunne;Perfect, just found a bug I will need to fix which will take about the same 1108061;1429796707;mats;mircea_popescu: "Verifies key material was created by a GnuPG version ulterior to 1.4.10 and prior to 1.4.20" << what should happen if --no-emit-version is included as a flag? 1108062;1429796719;mircea_popescu;warning. 1108063;1429796740;mircea_popescu;also it is a very good iudea to ask all job board qs on the article 1108064;1429796747;mircea_popescu;will get lost in here and cause confusion 1108065;1429796800;mats;ok 1108066;1429797050;mats;gnupg source is gnarly 1108067;1429797058;williamdunne;Fixed 1108068;1429797084;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1108069;1429797313;williamdunne;There we go, now optimized as well 1108070;1429798173;mircea_popescu;from the notbad.jpg department https://flpics1.a.ssl.fastly.net/3012/3012469/00050ed8-dec0-dc1e-5847-c7d97a41c51b_720.jpg 1108071;1429798173;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaJSh4 ) 1108072;1429798412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11591 @ 0.00031591 = 3.6617 BTC [+] 1108073;1429798907;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1107743 << thanks for pointing this out. I can't unsee now 1108074;1429798907;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 02:54:07; ben_vulpes: lobbes: "and omitting to state material facts." << something trips my native engrish filter in this 1108075;1429798934;lobbes;Such an old article that it probably isn't worth bothering BB or cazalla to edit, however 1108076;1429798943;mircea_popescu;i don't see the problem ? 1108077;1429798961;lobbes;should be "omitting material facts" 1108078;1429798971;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1108079;1429798977;*;lobbes shrugs 1108080;1429799022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12409 @ 0.00031591 = 3.9201 BTC [+] 1108081;1429799121;mircea_popescu;dude this shit is epic. fetlife essentially exists as a sort of liverjournal, it comes out. 1108082;1429799125;mircea_popescu;a fine example : http://dpaste.com/1XW1CVH 1108083;1429799126;assbot;dpaste: 1XW1CVH ... ( http://bit.ly/1d4nE9l ) 1108084;1429799166;mircea_popescu;what happened ? some derp tied up a professional model he barely knew, and then fingered her. she had no idea he was going to finger her, and didn't care for it. 1108085;1429799205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00030749 = 15.2361 BTC [-] {2} 1108086;1429799206;lobbes;williamdunne: wd on scoopbot revival. Now we gotta get pete_dushenski to post something; that'll be the real test ;) 1108087;1429799210;mircea_popescu;what this turns into is a massive one year saga where the guy's manager becomes jealous at the guy's new girlie (depicted above), and then badmouths him and then he tries to talk to the original model who comes out in favour of the slighted ex 1108088;1429799233;mircea_popescu;and on and on AND ON it goes. they are ALSO calling on the un raporteur for terrorism. it's also abuse, rape, victims, trauma, the works. 1108089;1429799242;williamdunne;lobbes: Hope for the best - looks like it should be working. On the first parse manages to pull his articles 1108090;1429799316;mircea_popescu;"You violated my consent, my body and my trust. You made me doubt my love for rope and my career as a professional model. What you did is legally considered as rape, and YOU are not allowed to minimise it for your own interest. YOU are only allowed to be sorry, certainly not to be upset at anyone for letting other people know what you did." 1108091;1429799344;mircea_popescu;apparently, as the female mind goes, men have agency only with their permission or something. 1108092;1429799370;lobbes;'You made me doubt my love for rope' lel 1108093;1429799382;mircea_popescu;well i can see that point. 1108094;1429799400;mircea_popescu;sort-of like how bad management makes boys doubt their love of computers, and idiot teachers make kids generally doubt their love of books. 1108095;1429799416;williamdunne;I can understand being upset at being raped as-well, assuming it wasn't one of the new-fangled versions of "rape" 1108096;1429799419;mircea_popescu;but bad management ain't rape. 1108097;1429799448;mircea_popescu;williamdunne as the old expression goes in porn, "if you're naked, you're fucking" 1108098;1429799455;mircea_popescu;girl doesn't wanna, girl stays off the set. 1108099;1429799503;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I can understand that position, but equally someone walking home, being dragged into a hedge and raped is certainly, most definitely rape - but I don't know that backstory of what you're talking about here 1108100;1429799518;mircea_popescu;williamdunne " what happened ? some derp tied up a professional model he barely knew, and then fingered her. she had no idea he was going to finger her, and didn't care for it." 1108101;1429799564;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Yeah I'd say that probably counts as some form as rape. In the same way that stealing a handbag from inside a locked house is burglary 1108102;1429799568;mircea_popescu;the guy is a total douche, as far as his emails let on, and the woman is both smarter and more collected than him, for sure. they weren't a good fit anyway. 1108103;1429799593;mircea_popescu;williamdunne because why, penetration ? 1108104;1429799605;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: pretty much 1108105;1429799623;mircea_popescu;if you go in for a prostate exam and doc sticks finger in you without asking specifically, also rape ? 1108106;1429799645;williamdunne;If I didn't go there for a prostate exam, yeah I'd guess so 1108107;1429799652;mircea_popescu;how about dentist ? i don't recall a dentist ever asking me if it's ok to fuck up my teeth. 1108108;1429799662;mircea_popescu;well it's where it gets iffy. no idea what they ACTUALLY went there for. 1108109;1429799668;mircea_popescu;she has a story, he has another, as it would be the case. 1108110;1429799688;williamdunne;Its definitely 'iffy', but people are particularly sensitive about their sensitives 1108111;1429799696;mircea_popescu;surely. 1108112;1429799713;mircea_popescu;and i;m not saying it's good or anything, or that the woman should not protest or anything. 1108113;1429799745;mircea_popescu;but if you call every bicycle a tank soon enough the army's going to be riding into battle on clown materiel. 1108114;1429799757;chetty;if you get naked and let a guy tie you up seems to me its not rape, got to take some responsibility for getting to that point. 1108115;1429799769;mircea_popescu;well, they were making a display. 1108116;1429799778;williamdunne;chetty: Sounds like she was expecting to be photographed 1108117;1429799781;mircea_popescu;actors act naked all the time without an expectation on any one's part to end up fucking on stage. 1108118;1429799789;mircea_popescu;which i suspect is what the woman was thinking. 1108119;1429799804;mircea_popescu;(there's also a major historical angle of [seazy beta] males pushing women into sex via "art") 1108120;1429799815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24755 @ 0.00029963 = 7.4173 BTC [-] {4} 1108121;1429799821;chetty;responsibilty ...make sure before you do it ...get it in writing 1108122;1429799832;williamdunne;Easiest way to get a girl naked is to stick her in front of a camera, no? 1108123;1429799836;mircea_popescu;yeah they ARE playing pretty fast and incredibly loose by now. 1108124;1429799841;mircea_popescu;who the fuck ties up a woman he doesn't own. 1108125;1429799845;mircea_popescu;i don't mean know. i mean own. 1108126;1429799891;mircea_popescu;williamdunne yeh, but it resolves none of the fundamental problems. you're still you, she's still her, the situation just got more volatile. just like pushing the gas pedal doesn't make one either less drunk or better a driver. 1108127;1429799960;williamdunne;Generally natural escalation seems like a better idea 1108128;1429800041;mircea_popescu;anyway, remarkable how little thought is given to the puppet master (Vanessa Veronique apparently) getting all these shenanigans in motion to get even at the 60yo derp that found a 20yo slut. 1108129;1429800074;mircea_popescu;that she was his "manager" and violated his trust by anti-representing him is not a point of concern, not even for people so finely tuned to the iffy intricacies of you know, the violation that occurs should a finger stray into a slit. 1108130;1429800104;chetty;priorities 1108131;1429800122;mircea_popescu;heh 1108132;1429800171;mircea_popescu;she's 40 something, which conceivably means she was once the "deeply in love" LolaBlake 1108133;1429800184;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, anyone seen "all about eve" ? 1108134;1429800255;williamdunne;Nope 1108135;1429800263;mircea_popescu;great film. 1108136;1429800358;williamdunne;Summary? 1108137;1429800365;mircea_popescu;pretty much the same. 1108138;1429800370;mircea_popescu;what else is one to make a film about ? 1108139;1429800407;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/all-about-eve/ there 1108140;1429800407;assbot;All About Eve on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1d4tc3Q ) 1108141;1429800425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00029802 = 7.5995 BTC [-] 1108142;1429800481;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1106236 << aha. "excuse me, fellas, but this bottom shelf liquor will get us -just- as drunk" 1108143;1429800481;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 02:11:22; ben_vulpes: but let's try anyways: "pragmatic coffee nerd in buenos aires" 1108144;1429800731;scoopbot_revived;New post; Vessenes Foundation Draws Near Its End, Vessenes Out As Chairman url; http://qntra.net/2015/04/vessenes-foundation-draws-near-its-end-vessenes-out-as-chairman/ 1108145;1429800732;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1d4uxrh ) 1108146;1429800760;williamdunne;Looks alive 1108147;1429800789;mircea_popescu;somehow hasn't seen trilema yet. how often does it poll ? 1108148;1429800793;williamdunne;Had to make him multi-threaded to get the IRC library work -.- 1108149;1429800801;williamdunne;15 seconds 1108150;1429800819;williamdunne;But I think he had it loaded up before he started because I stopped when you released :/ 1108151;1429800882;mircea_popescu;eh, a minute or even 5 should be plenty. 1108152;1429800917;williamdunne;Yeah 15 seconds for testing purposes, I'll change that on next restart 1108153;1429800974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27428 @ 0.00029575 = 8.1118 BTC [-] {4} 1108154;1429801321;pete_dushenski;goooood morning 1108155;1429801336;mircea_popescu;ola 1108156;1429801353;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: what's this about me not spending 'enough' time in channel ? 1108157;1429801413;pete_dushenski;people think blog posts write themselves, comments answer themselves, books read themselves, i swear 1108158;1429801413;scoopbot_revived;New post; Windows Servers Pwn'd By JPEG Uploads url; http://qntra.net/2015/04/windows-servers-pwnd-by-jpeg-uploads/ 1108159;1429801414;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoI8rp ) 1108160;1429801424;pete_dushenski;o hello scoopbot_revived 1108161;1429801425;mircea_popescu;it werks. 1108162;1429801444;mircea_popescu;i guess ima edit the maintainer. mats am i putting you on the key server ? 1108163;1429801455;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i'd love to be here more. i'm here as much as i can! 1108164;1429801493;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: thx for the line correction 1108165;1429801513;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: also, speaking of 'we', any updates on dat lordship list from c3 ? 1108166;1429801535;mircea_popescu;was briefly discussed, not came to much 1108167;1429801567;pete_dushenski;mmok 1108168;1429801588;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: seems like williamdunne is too fast for me! 1108169;1429801624;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well, his bot still needs to pass the qntravex test 1108170;1429801667;mircea_popescu;williamdunne yeah was that a complete rewrite or what ? 1108171;1429801678;mircea_popescu;you found teh github ? 1108172;1429801746;trinque;mircea_popescu | well you will notice that nothing happened here also. it's just ... what was that word, for an item that breaks minds << star trek used this against the borg, could've been ripped off from a novel 1108173;1429801782;mircea_popescu;iirc that was just a banal virus 1108174;1429801804;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: s_r didn't pass qntra yet ? 1108175;1429801823;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Passed the qntra part, now faces your vex 1108176;1429801832;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Complete rewrite, but needs some fixing. Found some bugs 1108177;1429801835;pete_dushenski;indeed. 1108178;1429801901;pete_dushenski;perhaps later today i'll stumble across something in the logs or in the news. 1108179;1429801926;pete_dushenski;for sure tomorrow at the latest 1108180;1429802062;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/ << anyone willing to read this and put it on youtube or w/e ? 1108181;1429802063;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoLlHt ) 1108182;1429802071;mircea_popescu;!rated williamdunne 1108183;1429802071;assbot;You rated user williamdunne on 12-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: new blood. 1108184;1429802087;mircea_popescu;!rate williamdunne 2 scoopbot the 3rd 1108185;1429802087;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1d2b45cb1965f363 1108186;1429802101;mats;mircea_popescu: sure, put me on the keyserver project 1108187;1429802111;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.williamdunne.2:c99e0d75f0733d32ba9c306cfe3ab197ee1acbdee4b3db7052970f23329c815e 1108188;1429802111;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for williamdunne from 1 to 2 with note: scoopbot the 3rd 1108189;1429802118;mircea_popescu;that was fast enough. 1108190;1429802121;williamdunne;Thank you very much 1108191;1429802290;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i'll read the poem and post it 1108192;1429802300;mircea_popescu;cool! 1108193;1429802359;pete_dushenski;i'll try it today but i'm a little stuffed up, still recovering from last week's mega-fiesta, so if it doesn't sound great i'll re-do it tmrw 1108194;1429802762;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: curious, what do you mean by "Generally they're against inflation of block sizes, not an increase." 1108195;1429802862;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: From what I can tell the objection you all have is that Gavin's suggestion is constant inflation, as opposed to the block-size being anything other than 1mb 1108196;1429802920;pete_dushenski;the block size could be 512kb i guess 1108197;1429802946;pete_dushenski;bigger than 1mb though ? not in the foreseeable future 1108198;1429802950;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Ah so you actually want it permanently at 1mb or lower? 1108199;1429802982;pete_dushenski;to the extent that scarcity is the goal because scarcity is a key driver of value, then yes 1108200;1429803021;pete_dushenski;i'd want 2mb blocks like i'd want 42 mn coins 1108201;1429803037;trinque;how bout just fill the bucket before considering marrying a larger bucket? 1108202;1429803053;pete_dushenski;^ 1108203;1429803094;williamdunne;trinque: I agree, but thats different to a permanent cap 1108204;1429803095;pete_dushenski;right, it really doesn't matter what *i* want so much as what's practically needed 1108205;1429803134;williamdunne;I don't see why you're saying that you'd want the transaction capabilities tied to the number of coins issued though 1108206;1429803172;pete_dushenski;i don't, i could've just as well said 'like i want a hole in the head' 1108207;1429803206;pete_dushenski;or 'like i want hiv' 1108208;1429803235;pete_dushenski;but again, not that it so much matters what i want 1108209;1429803259;ben_vulpes;man it doesn't matter what's needed or wanted or anything 1108210;1429803261;ben_vulpes;bitcoin is 1108211;1429803288;ben_vulpes;usg can break it like they broke gpg, but that broken thing will not and cannot be bitcoin 1108212;1429803469;trinque;311.63 633.87 417.2 112.43 126.75 271.06 1108213;1429803478;trinque;last few blocks in kB 1108214;1429803482;williamdunne;I definitely agree that too large blocks would break it, but I also think that if bitcoin is to grow we will need bigger blocks 1108215;1429803497;trinque;williamdunne: so let it bang into the ceiling and see what people do 1108216;1429803523;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: you're missing the point. 1108217;1429803537;ben_vulpes;if a thing exists with a block size that is not one megabyte, /that thing is not bitcoin/. 1108218;1429803545;williamdunne;trinque: Sure, thats what I would advocate too 1108219;1429803557;ben_vulpes;also what is this "to grow" nonsense. 1108220;1429803564;trinque;ben_vulpes: that sounds like a tautology 1108221;1429803571;trinque;bitcoin is bitcoin because it is bitcoin 1108222;1429803585;ben_vulpes;nitrogen is nitrogen because of the arrangement of electrons in valence shells. 1108223;1429803588;williamdunne;trinque: Bitcoin currently worth x potatoes, bitcoin in the future to be worth y potatoes 1108224;1429803591;ben_vulpes;is that still a tautology? 1108225;1429803617;trinque;no, that example is not 1108226;1429803640;ben_vulpes;so if you change the block size, you get deuterium. 1108227;1429803646;williamdunne;It wouldn't be bitcoin of today but it would still be bitcoin 1108228;1429803658;williamdunne;"If I cut my hair, am I still williamdunne" 1108229;1429803688;trinque;ben_vulpes: it is currently unknown what an appropriate blocksize would be 1108230;1429803696;trinque;1mb seems to be a reasonable cap 1108231;1429803700;trinque;but is not magic 1108232;1429803722;trinque;the way to find out what a good blocksize would be is to let the thing bang into the ceiling so we know what that looks like 1108233;1429803723;ben_vulpes;what then distinguishes bitcoin from XXXcoin? 1108234;1429803724;ben_vulpes;i guess they're all bitcoin or something retarded like that 1108235;1429803726;ben_vulpes;appropriate shmappropriate. 1108236;1429803728;ben_vulpes;it's as magic as 21M. 1108237;1429803755;ben_vulpes;what's the worst case scenario of hitting that ceiling? 1108238;1429803772;trinque;my point is you're claiming to know more than you do 1108239;1429803777;trinque;not that 1mb isn't the right value 1108240;1429803790;williamdunne;The blocksize is a limiting factor of its usage, 21m doesn't thanks to 8 decimal places 1108241;1429803802;trinque;one will know what happens when the blocksize limit is reached ... when the blocksize limit is reached 1108242;1429803818;ben_vulpes;i'm saying that "right" doesn't matter. 1108243;1429803820;ben_vulpes;21me8 then, williamdunne. 1108244;1429803825;ben_vulpes;trinque: you gotta have a hypothesis about what's going to happen, man. 1108245;1429803839;ben_vulpes;especially if you're even sort of supporting this blocksize change derpage. 1108246;1429803848;trinque;fees, and prioritizing transactions according to them 1108247;1429803853;trinque;I don't support anything, much less this 1108248;1429803865;ben_vulpes;so no technical fears then? 1108249;1429803888;trinque;1mb is "yeah that's probably big enough" 1108250;1429803890;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Hypothesis; if we ever get to the point where we are completely filling blocks and fees start going through the roof, either growth will halter or it will fork - and the 1mb version will be virtually barren 1108251;1429803901;ben_vulpes;the thing about bitcoins is that it a system that conserves, and resists diddling in the vein of fiat economies. 1108252;1429803930;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: alternatively, the big blocks version will be populated with retards. 1108253;1429803949;ben_vulpes;and what is this "growth" thing you keep banging on about? 1108254;1429803960;ben_vulpes;usd denominated value of bitcoins /literally does not matter/ 1108255;1429803983;ben_vulpes;"oh gosh so we can all be richer in the fyooooture instead of working today" sort of nonsense 1108256;1429804028;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Of course it matters, its a network. More people = more useful. I don't see how that can be anything but an objective truth. 1108257;1429804063;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: these i suppose are the muppets you're looking for. 1108258;1429804087;mircea_popescu;williamdunne what if in going from 5 to 10 you lose the one worth 1 and gain 5 worth .1 each ? 1108259;1429804087;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: is not the inability to interdict funds enough for you? 1108260;1429804106;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: is not the hard cap of 21M of the thing enough for you? 1108261;1429804114;ben_vulpes;such progress. 1108262;1429804122;trinque;ben_vulpes: I'm not going to accept being called a muppet for saying we're not in a position to evaluate an appropriate block size, therefore changing it is unwise. 1108263;1429804131;ben_vulpes;not you, trinque 1108264;1429804135;trinque;well GOOD 1108265;1429804136;trinque;:) 1108266;1429804139;ben_vulpes;sheesh 1108267;1429804148;ben_vulpes;touchy tatiana, you 1108268;1429804250;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Yes, its very useful. But the value of your coins will inflate fast if its just 12 people using it over and over. 1108269;1429804258;mircea_popescu;... 1108270;1429804260;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Sorry not entirely sure what you mean 1108271;1429804263;mircea_popescu;that's not what inflation is. 1108272;1429804294;mircea_popescu;williamdunne you have 5 users. one of which is worth "1 unit of useful". you dd 5 more. they together are worth 0.5 units of useful. 1108273;1429804300;mircea_popescu;becuase of this addition, that one leaves. 1108274;1429804305;mircea_popescu;you have now grown and are worth less. 1108275;1429804310;mircea_popescu;this happens ALL THE TIME. 1108276;1429804325;mircea_popescu;it's nto even the exception, it is the rule. facebook today is not worth 1/10 of what facebook was worth in 2005 1108277;1429804381;mircea_popescu;adding more people, especially if adding more people SELECTED by the criteria that "they are poor, stupid and usleess enough to need to be added specifically" is a recipe for making your thing worth less. 1108278;1429804383;mircea_popescu;not more. 1108279;1429804390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00030181 = 11.5442 BTC [+] 1108280;1429804416;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: That seems counter-intuitive, I'm not trying to over-value the poor and stupid here. 1108281;1429804432;mircea_popescu;really ? 1108282;1429804448;mircea_popescu;you ever held a party ? 1108283;1429804611;williamdunne;Yep, but seems like a relatively invalid comparison 1108284;1429804641;mircea_popescu;don't tell, show. 1108285;1429804641;mircea_popescu;why does it seem so ? 1108286;1429804677;williamdunne;Because I don't have to talk to everyone using bitcoin at the same time nor put up with their noise (in particular, anyway) 1108287;1429804690;mircea_popescu;that is exactly what you have to do. 1108288;1429804833;mircea_popescu;it's worse, because a) every party participant is stuck b) keeping ~complete~ records of the whole thing c) forever. it's not just a process thing like the party. it's that you have to write their noiise down, and pay for warehouses. 1108289;1429804876;williamdunne;But in return you have more potential users of your XYZ business, and more potential to operate profitable businesses that are less-than-possible in the fiat world 1108290;1429804924;lobbes;but it isn't the currency that makes your business profitable 1108291;1429804941;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: but the barriers to entry are lower in the fiat world 1108292;1429804951;pete_dushenski;and bitcoin quite likes keeping those barriers high 1108293;1429804954;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Well that depends on what you are doing 1108294;1429804976;mircea_popescu;yeah, in return "but there could be cute girls" 1108295;1429804988;mircea_popescu;no, there won't be. it will be a bunch of fucktarded dudebros, that aren't even legal to drink. 1108296;1429804990;williamdunne;lobbes: Sure, but it alters things massively. Just-Dice with 7 billion potential customers is better than Just-Dice with 2,000,000 potential 1108297;1429804995;mircea_popescu;which is why clubs have those big guys at the door. 1108298;1429805004;mircea_popescu;clubs i'd go to, anyway. 1108299;1429805029;pete_dushenski;pubs, walk right in, fulla 'dudebros' 1108300;1429805071;mircea_popescu;"more value" 1108301;1429805079;lobbes;those 7 billion customers aren't necessarily worth more than those 2 million 1108302;1429805108;williamdunne;lobbes: In terms of bitcoin? no, in terms of potatoes? yes 1108303;1429805132;mircea_popescu;because you imagine there's an intrinsic minimum value for "human beings" 1108304;1429805134;mircea_popescu;there isn't. 1108305;1429805139;mircea_popescu;you also imagine there is a cap. there isn't a cap. 1108306;1429805147;mircea_popescu;one guy can and usually is worth more than an entire country. 1108307;1429805161;mircea_popescu;we have this situation right now in argentina, for instance, and there's 40mn of em derps. 1108308;1429805216;williamdunne;Yeah, but that one guy isn't going to be betting all his money on Just-Dice, collectively there is a lot of value to exploit 1108309;1429805245;mircea_popescu;this is wishful thinking. 1108310;1429805264;mircea_popescu;there's no value "collectively". there seems to be, currently, because the usg / ag etc are propping them up on borrowed money. 1108311;1429805273;mircea_popescu;otherwise, poor people are a liability not an asset. they are below zero. 1108312;1429805308;mircea_popescu;every large enough operation has this set of accounts that are below water - cost more to service than they're worth. which is why fiat banks are charging per account 1108313;1429805378;mircea_popescu;which is why obamacare, etc. 1108314;1429805418;mircea_popescu;the truth is that for about half of the us, the marginal benefit of spending another 1k per capita on their health is unrecoverable, as they won't produce in excess of that 1k. ever. 1108315;1429805422;trinque;ben_vulpes: aint even mad; and I agree that any modified thing may not merit being called bitcoin 1108316;1429805448;ben_vulpes; every large enough operation has this set of accounts that are below water - cost more to service than they're worth. which is why fiat banks are charging per account << myeah i got some of these 1108317;1429805460;mircea_popescu;the bait and switch thing here is that the "modified thing" can only exist by itself, so it really needs us to you know, give up on bitcoin proper. 1108318;1429805500;mircea_popescu;much like paper dollars can only exist if there's no strong currency and "welfare states" in a world without rhodesia and so on. 1108319;1429805514;mircea_popescu;soviets need closed borders. 1108320;1429805654;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108229 << but i do agree with that point. we have nfi. 1108321;1429805654;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 15:41:28; trinque: ben_vulpes: it is currently unknown what an appropriate blocksize would be 1108322;1429805664;mircea_popescu;it's just that the "larger = better" argument is rank nonsense. 1108323;1429805815;mircea_popescu;we might well discover that actually 1mb is way too much, and all we can afford is less. 1108324;1429805825;mircea_popescu;hopefully this won't be the case, but the way moore's law is going... 1108325;1429806220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00029221 = 9.526 BTC [-] {2} 1108326;1429806409;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: let us not neglect the headache of coordinating a blocksize change 1108327;1429806502;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i have the top floor of la poesia entirely to myself 1108328;1429806555;pete_dushenski;!up saulimus 1108329;1429806562;pete_dushenski;!up diato 1108330;1429806567;pete_dushenski;!up diatonic 1108331;1429806593;diatonic;I can't figure out the new process to !up myself with assbot 1108332;1429806593;pete_dushenski;;;seen thestringpuller 1108333;1429806594;gribble;thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 1 second ago: ^- close the bet 1108334;1429806601;pete_dushenski;odd. 1108335;1429806606;diatonic;I can decrypt the string 1108336;1429806631;pete_dushenski;then tell assbot '!v ' 1108337;1429806638;diatonic;ahh, thanks 1108338;1429806644;diatonic;couldn't find that info anywhere 1108339;1429806645;pete_dushenski;np. 1108340;1429806659;pete_dushenski;!help 1108341;1429806659;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1108342;1429806674;pete_dushenski;^for future reference 1108343;1429806708;ben_vulpes;who're you, diatonic? 1108344;1429806740;ben_vulpes;friend of ascii*? 1108345;1429806819;diatonic;ben_vulpes, I don't really know why I lurk in here. I used to be pretty active in #bitcoin-otc and joined this channel some time ago. 1108346;1429806871;diatonic;Wanted to get more in to trading 1108347;1429807017;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: actually got a text message from thestringpuller this morning, he’s still alive! 1108348;1429807129;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard: hey no way! good news. 1108349;1429807130;felipelalli;pete_dushenski: I didn't know the shortcut "!v", I always type "!verify", thanks. 1108350;1429807486;williamdunne;OK, I think ScoopBot should behave himself now 1108351;1429807505;*;williamdunne thinks 1108352;1429807597;ben_vulpes;don't think, test :P 1108353;1429807612;williamdunne;Can't test until there is a new post unfortunately 1108354;1429807629;lobbes;can't you put a dummy blog in the list and test? 1108355;1429807631;williamdunne;Well, I could but it would be more difficult than it is worth, so I'll just wait until a post comes up 1108356;1429807648;williamdunne;Yeah, that'd be the easyish way, don't have a blog I can use to test it on atm 1108357;1429807650;*;lobbes doesn't really know, just curious 1108358;1429807797;lobbes;create a blogspot or something? I have no idea if blogspot outputs data in the same way that scoopbot reads the others, but it is free and fairly quick to create one 1108359;1429807915;williamdunne;I'll stick up a wordpress 1108360;1429808024;BingoBoingo;Look at the derps herping that nopeone wants their terp http://wptavern.com/wordpress-org-now-requires-theme-authors-to-use-the-customizer-to-build-theme-options 1108361;1429808027;assbot;WordPress.org Now Requires Theme Authors to Use the Customizer to Build Theme Options ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXoaQI ) 1108362;1429808027;ben_vulpes; Can't test /me raises an eyebrow 1108363;1429808087;*;ben_vulpes wonders how this rss bot is built such that it can't be tested 1108364;1429808160;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: It was more out of laziness 1108365;1429808196;ben_vulpes;isn't it always... 1108366;1429808446;williamdunne;!up diatonic 1108367;1429808526;scoopbot_revived;News! I am scoopbot URL: https://scoopbot.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/i-am-scoopbot-2/ 1108368;1429808527;assbot;I am scoopbot | scoopbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXpumF ) 1108369;1429808535;williamdunne;Its alive 1108370;1429808965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00029651 = 3.4988 BTC [+] 1108371;1429809070;BingoBoingo;mod6: On the foundation page "This sotware is provided by The Bitcoin Foundation `as is' and any express or implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose are disclaimed." 1108372;1429809089;mike_c;wusses :) 1108373;1429809515;Pierre_Rochard;dogecoin “creator” upset that his new altcoin launch flopped: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33lwye/creator_of_dogecoin_i_see_no_longterm_future_for/ 1108374;1429809517;assbot;Creator of Dogecoin - "I see no long-term future for #Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies at this point" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXrZW1 ) 1108375;1429809540;Pierre_Rochard;context: https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/33hdvo/feedback_needed_neucoin_distribution_to_dogecoin/ 1108376;1429809543;assbot;Feedback needed: NeuCoin distribution to Dogecoin holders : dogecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXs4Jc ) 1108377;1429809691;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: Lottery winning janitor annoyed new lottery ticket didn't win 1108378;1429809742;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: swears loudly that he’ll never play the lottery again. such threat. very wow. 1108379;1429809759;williamdunne;many regrets 1108380;1429809775;Pierre_Rochard;buy high sell low will do that 1108381;1429809922;williamdunne;does the nakamoto institute have an RSS feed? 1108382;1429809993;Pierre_Rochard;yup http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/feed/ 1108383;1429809994;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXtxiC ) 1108384;1429810012;Pierre_Rochard;posting has been… sporadic as of late 1108385;1429810013;ben_vulpes;THANKS MIKE_C 1108386;1429810041;williamdunne;Awesome, yeah, I've been hoping for more articles. Anyone got any objections to adding the nakamotoinstitute to scoopbot? 1108387;1429810046;ben_vulpes;YOUR FEEDBACK IS AS ALWAYS INVALULOL 1108388;1429810194;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/3NGVDY3.txt 1108389;1429810195;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXu44k ) 1108390;1429810283;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: i'd vote against krawisz being added. if Pierre_Rochard or bitstein were writing... 1108391;1429810317;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Technically I can filter by author, but I know I personally like all of their writing 1108392;1429810331;williamdunne;But if thats what people want me to do.. 1108393;1429810373;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: daniel has not written on the block size issue specifically at SNI 1108394;1429810384;pete_dushenski;if you can filter by author for pierre and mike, i'd say go for it 1108395;1429810388;mike_c;ben_vulpes: don't get mad at me because the foundation has tiny balls. 1108396;1429810395;mike_c;bingo is the one who pointed it out :D 1108397;1429810456;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: I would say neh just on account of inactivity for the time being 1108398;1429810469;trinque;mike_c: dunno why they'd vouch for the quality of something they haven't rewritten fully yet 1108399;1429810480;Pierre_Rochard;if/when we start putting up more content I’ll advocate for adding it 1108400;1429810506;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: Sure thing, I won't add it then. It doesn't really use any resources in particular to add it but your call 1108401;1429810533;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard: true, but he's hoisted himself on his own petard on a few other topics 1108402;1429810542;pete_dushenski;eg 'who controls bitcoin' 1108403;1429810603;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: ah fair enough. 1108404;1429810618;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Don't suppose I could have a link? 1108405;1429810623;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: bitstein has his own blog but I see no RSS http://bitstein.org/blog/ 1108406;1429810624;assbot;Blog | Bitstein | Bitstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXvko7 ) 1108407;1429810628;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/who-controls-bitcoin/ 1108408;1429810629;assbot;Who Controls Bitcoin? | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZ8tCx ) 1108409;1429810697;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Oh yes, I remember the article now. What did you object to in it? 1108410;1429810727;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: Thanks for the link to his personal blog, I'll have a read 1108411;1429810745;pete_dushenski;"We'll assume that there is some real disagreement about whether the upgrade is a good idea because if there was not, then there would be no problem." 1108412;1429810756;pete_dushenski;not much of an assumption upon which to base an entire article 1108413;1429810771;pete_dushenski;everyone here is pretty well decided, and so it is 1108414;1429810789;pete_dushenski;whatever's outside are but the fans at home telling the coach what plays to call 1108415;1429810799;williamdunne;Seems like a fair statement, if there is a change everyone agrees on the only issue is those too lazy to update 1108416;1429810833;pete_dushenski;or it would be if this was about opinions instead of what must be done for survival 1108417;1429810839;Pierre_Rochard;I thought it was a fine post, the only issue being it’s context and subtext 1108418;1429810843;Pierre_Rochard;its8 1108419;1429810845;Pierre_Rochard;its* 1108420;1429810929;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Would you have preferred it had he worded it as your choice is based upon the choices of those superior in your WoT? i.e if BitPay is at the top of my WoT (lol) and they are on newcoin, I'll be on newcoin 1108421;1429810941;williamdunne;Or if Mircea, oldcoin 1108422;1429811020;pete_dushenski;tbh i dun really care what he does. 1108423;1429811043;pete_dushenski;he can 'teach the controversy' all he wants but he's going to end up grouped alongside monsanto for it 1108424;1429811051;pete_dushenski;"Most nodes are dead weight." << also rubbish 1108425;1429811100;pete_dushenski;"An upgrade which allows for larger block sizes is also likely to be adopted because the current limit of 1 MB will eventually limit Bitcoin's value as a form of money." << idem. 1108426;1429811137;pete_dushenski;kid never read the logs, what can you expect ? 1108427;1429811171;Pierre_Rochard;ah forgot that sentence was in there! unacceptabru 1108428;1429811177;pete_dushenski;anywho, off to yoga. later gang! 1108429;1429811188;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Enjoy 1108430;1429811255;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: I’m also putting together my own personal blog, I’ll let you know once I have an RSS feed put together 1108431;1429811255;scoopbot_revived;News! Confirmation of Life - 30 minute test URL: https://scoopbot.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/confirmation-of-life-30-minute-test/ 1108432;1429811256;assbot;Confirmation of Life – 30 minute test | scoopbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gbt6hJ ) 1108433;1429811265;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: Yes please 1108434;1429811318;williamdunne;Okay, so scoopbot's concurrency now definitely works. Yay. 1108435;1429811511;trinque;williamdunne: nice 1108436;1429811981;mats;that feeling when you sit down and the seat is still warm 1108437;1429812044;mats;an intimate moment where two butts reach across the cosmos and touch for an instant 1108438;1429812181;lobbes;poetry by mats 1108439;1429812233;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108347 <<< tell him to quit his sulking and come back, i still <3 him afterall 1108440;1429812233;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 16:36:57; Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: actually got a text message from thestringpuller this morning, he’s still alive! 1108441;1429812243;BingoBoingo;mike_c: I was pointing out "sotware" 1108442;1429812265;mike_c;fine, leave me out on a limb 1108443;1429812289;mike_c;do foundation emails have a disclaimer at the bottom telling me to delete it if i got it in error? 1108444;1429812311;mike_c;(I don't really care about this though, disclaim away) 1108445;1429812471;mats;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/world/asia/2-qaeda-hostages-were-accidentally-killed-in-us-raid-white-house-says.html << so, when's the trial and who's gonna hang? 1108446;1429812474;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0nVGi ) 1108447;1429812508;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108367 <<< plz no brony shit kthx http://memecrunch.com/meme/I4UY/fat-brony/image.jpg 1108448;1429812508;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 17:02:06; scoopbot_revived: News! I am scoopbot URL: https://scoopbot.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/i-am-scoopbot-2/ 1108449;1429812509;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0o4tf ) 1108450;1429812849;BingoBoingo;dammit 1108451;1429812863;BingoBoingo;fxd 1108452;1429812895;williamdunne;cazalla: updated for you 1108453;1429812896;scoopbot_revived;News! MtGox Trustee has 200k Bitcoins, Creditors to Line Up as Bankruptcy Progresses URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/mtgox-trustee-has-200k-bitcoins-creditors-to-line-up-as-bankruptcy-progresses/ 1108454;1429812897;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GbxCwG ) 1108455;1429813723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23545 @ 0.00029111 = 6.8542 BTC [-] {2} 1108456;1429814238;ben_vulpes;cazalla: i found a bronies store in bsas. was completely baffled. 1108457;1429814344;cazalla;imagine taking your kids to some junk toy store for some made in china plastic shit only to find grown ass men clamouring over your daughter to reach the toys before she can get to them 1108458;1429814387;williamdunne;Men might be a little generous 1108459;1429814721;scoopbot_revived;News! Ransomware Inception URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/ransomware-inception/ 1108460;1429814721;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0vzQV ) 1108461;1429814725;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i have nfi why anyone would care what shittomatic says 1108462;1429814738;mircea_popescu;i mean obviously, they want access to the walled garden of idiots, but this is a mirage. 1108463;1429814747;mircea_popescu;i guess takes time for kids to learn what mirages are. 1108464;1429814826;cazalla;i wonder if there is a small business to be had recovering family photos/video for people infected by that shit? charge them twice the amount of the ransom (paid upfront of course) 1108465;1429814828;mircea_popescu;lol Pierre_Rochard. these twerps are all on the same rubber band. 1. mp wrote we're shit because mp's jealous, not because we're shit. 2 ??? 3. bitcoin doesn't exist. 1108466;1429814876;mircea_popescu; Awesome, yeah, I've been hoping for more articles. Anyone got any objections to adding the nakamotoinstitute to scoopbot? << it all depends on whether they continue pushing insanities a la gavincoin. 1108467;1429814929;mircea_popescu;mike_c what'd they specifically say tho ? "we guarantee this code with ..." ? what ... ? 1108468;1429814936;mats;http://arxiv.org/pdf/1502.07373v2.pdf 'The Spy in the Sandbox: Practical Cache Attacks in JavaScript' 1108469;1429814939;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0wdOh ) 1108470;1429814964;mircea_popescu;mats understand, the bdsm thing is not drastically intended to be secure. 1108471;1429814969;mircea_popescu;it's just intended to be web secure. 1108472;1429814980;mircea_popescu;you won't be able to make browser gossipd that'd for damned sure. 1108473;1429815112;mircea_popescu; mike_c: I was pointing out "sotware" << sotware lol. as in, "you sot"! 1108474;1429815249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00029028 = 4.8186 BTC [-] 1108475;1429815422;mircea_popescu;williamdunne refresh me, what is dunnecapital ltd uk ? 1108476;1429815460;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Was the name of an exchange I am working on 1108477;1429815470;mircea_popescu;btcentralplus.com ? 1108478;1429815495;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: thats the ISP I used to have? 1108479;1429815502;mircea_popescu;oh derp. fucking isps lol 1108480;1429815508;mircea_popescu;grep found it because obvously, "btc". 1108481;1429815561;williamdunne;btc entral plus exchange, pretty catchy 1108482;1429815583;mircea_popescu;aanyways. you actually intend to develop that bdsm thing ? 1108483;1429815594;mircea_popescu;it's a huge time investment, and it really won't work halfway. 1108484;1429815606;mircea_popescu;if it works at all. max guy doesn't have a point about women, but he does have a point about stupid. 1108485;1429815611;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I can do it, but I'm not hugely interested in running it as a business 1108486;1429815635;mircea_popescu;how'd you intend to do it ? 1108487;1429815653;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Well either I'd make it so it almost completely handles itself, or let someone else run it after I build it 1108488;1429815672;mircea_popescu;that part i got. 1108489;1429815685;mircea_popescu;i don't see specifically whatr running. you can't moderate it anyway. 1108490;1429815728;williamdunne;Well dependent on the business model it could be easy or complex 1108491;1429815783;mircea_popescu;this is still pretty vague. but my q was more technical-oriented. i dunno if "facebook clone" package exists. seems likely it might. 1108492;1429815793;mircea_popescu;one could conceivably bolt extant js to that be done in a day. 1108493;1429815798;mircea_popescu;if product a bit shoddy. 1108494;1429815848;williamdunne;Ah sorry, well it depends. Obviously its a pretty lose spec but I'd probably go for something that has all the basic functionality built on a probably ASP stack, rather than doing anything too fancy with pretty colours everywhere 1108495;1429815876;mircea_popescu;asp.net, srsly ? 1108496;1429815881;mircea_popescu;what was multibet in ? 1108497;1429815896;williamdunne;PHP even worse, yeah asp or phoenix framework 1108498;1429815900;williamdunne;Maybe D... but less likely 1108499;1429815913;mircea_popescu;i don't even think anyone has windows servers 1108500;1429815929;mircea_popescu;certainly the first time i heard this one proposed. 1108501;1429815953;williamdunne;Its pretty good, all ties in really well with various meta-db layers 1108502;1429815975;williamdunne;Same with Elixir really 1108503;1429815978;mircea_popescu;it's a good thing alf's in the air. 1108504;1429815991;williamdunne;Yes, I know you're less fond of windows aha 1108505;1429816008;williamdunne;But its a BDSM site storing data encrypted client-side, hardly need for uber security 1108506;1429816028;trinque;get you a postgresql, son 1108507;1429816033;mircea_popescu;there's two problems here. one being that if nobody has windows servers nobody can, in an emergency say, provie a backup. 1108508;1429816036;mircea_popescu;so maintainability. 1108509;1429816041;williamdunne;trinque: I normally use postgre 1108510;1429816064;williamdunne;trinque: Well thats a lie, I normally do if working in Elixir/Phoenix 1108511;1429816065;mircea_popescu;the other is that well, we don't know how efficient it is. ie, how much bw/packetage/userbase it can support per mm of hardware. 1108512;1429816112;mircea_popescu;does something like gluster even exist for mvc ? 1108513;1429816124;mircea_popescu;or we the clustering thing is called, gaproxy ? 1108514;1429816136;trinque;mircea_popescu: replication at the db layer is what's called for there 1108515;1429816149;williamdunne;I don't have any statistics about performance but I've found it works pretty well. I've only done basic clustering before using it tbh, doing things like sharing secrets for authentication 1108516;1429816149;mircea_popescu;does it work ? 1108517;1429816166;trinque;if you're read heavy works great, if you're write heavy gets harder 1108518;1429816178;mircea_popescu;this promises to be the worst mix. 1108519;1429816189;mircea_popescu;ie, reads and writes 1108520;1429816240;williamdunne;Surely all of the heavy-writing would just be in the form of files 1108521;1429816250;trinque;seems like a social thing calls for a message queue 1108522;1429816250;williamdunne;Can't imagine it would be all that write-heavy 1108523;1429816295;mats;https://wapiflapi.github.io/2015/04/22/single-null-byte-heap-overflow is purty 1108524;1429816297;assbot; Visualizing a single null-byte heap overflow exploitation · @wapiflapi ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9PjAS ) 1108525;1429816314;trinque;williamdunne: what is it, just profiles and people sending messages and comments, etcd? 1108526;1429816316;trinque;*etc 1108527;1429816336;williamdunne;trinque: Yeah, and photos which obviously would just be in a file container 1108528;1429816383;trinque;postgresql is a badder beast than most think 1108529;1429816387;mircea_popescu;williamdunne lots and lots of updates. 1108530;1429816432;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I can't imagine it would ever become a problem for SQLserver, if it did we could just shard it like hell. Its not like it needs sub 1 second latency on everything 1108531;1429816453;mircea_popescu;nah, for all i care make a fixed 2 second delay. 1108532;1429816462;mircea_popescu;encourage user to think before posting 1108533;1429816488;williamdunne;Exactly, so we could shard the database a stupid amount, and stick half of it in NoSQL for things like private messages 1108534;1429816511;trinque;nosql is a terrible idea man, always 1108535;1429816514;mircea_popescu;im not proposing it's an unapproachable problem by any means. 1108536;1429816518;trinque;your data storing thing should be aware of structure 1108537;1429816529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00029253 = 2.7498 BTC [+] 1108538;1429816530;trinque;otherwise that ends up being implemented in shitty form in the app layer 1108539;1429816562;williamdunne;trinque: Meh, less of an issue for relatively basic data like private messages 1108540;1429816583;trinque;sure, everyone always thinks they can handle reimplementing the database until complexity grows to a point where it falls inward on itself 1108541;1429816649;trinque;code gets littered with message v1 v2 v3 handling code, and you become less and less able to reason about the concept "message" 1108542;1429816681;williamdunne;trinque: Either way, it anything high volume like that can be done in interesting ways 1108543;1429816707;trinque;I've seen multi-billion row postgresql clusters with heavy writes 1108544;1429816708;williamdunne;Like it could be done via a separate system like facebook uses which uses a queue to commit to DB, but can be received before committed to the DB 1108545;1429816712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25315 @ 0.00029435 = 7.4515 BTC [+] {3} 1108546;1429816720;trinque;williamdunne: yeah that's more acceptable 1108547;1429816726;mircea_popescu;what's fb run on anyway ? 1108548;1429816737;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Its frankenstein's monster 1108549;1429816743;trinque;afaik they use a lot of mysql among myriad other things 1108550;1429816745;mircea_popescu;i'd expect. 1108551;1429816745;williamdunne;A bit of PHP, a bit of C++, a bit of D 1108552;1429816769;williamdunne;D for builds only though, in fairness 1108553;1429816779;williamdunne;Oh 1108554;1429816783;williamdunne;Erlang for messaging system 1108555;1429816795;mircea_popescu;lol so fiverr is now skimming 50 cents off each job. 1108556;1429816803;mircea_popescu;the crunch is on, bejesus. 1108557;1429816807;williamdunne;They've been doing that for a while now 1108558;1429816810;trinque;gogo monetization 1108559;1429816830;mircea_popescu;this is going to be such a sad year for "web startups"... 1108560;1429816854;williamdunne;Have you seen those Eris labs guys? 1108561;1429816873;williamdunne;At the forefront of "the blockchain of things" lo 1108562;1429816880;mircea_popescu;vaguely. 1108563;1429816887;trinque;"embedding values" 1108564;1429816891;trinque;stomach is already turned 1108565;1429816914;williamdunne;eris industries thats the one, christ 1108566;1429816930;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108439 what did you do to teh poor nigga ???!!! 1108567;1429816930;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 18:03:53; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108347 <<< tell him to quit his sulking and come back, i still <3 him afterall 1108568;1429816944;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski cazalla still alive. just very busy in meatspace. 1108569;1429816984;mircea_popescu;!rated thestringpuller 1108570;1429816984;assbot;You rated user thestringpuller on 01-Feb-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I dunno that he's ever pulled any strings.. 1108571;1429816987;williamdunne;we have a pulse 1108572;1429817067;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller dude, listen up. i'm not going to whack you, but you gotta learn to underpromise and overdeliver. 1108573;1429817212;thestringpuller;yup. learning requires lessons which each have their various costs. 1108574;1429817261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00029028 = 2.7577 BTC [-] 1108575;1429817548;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttchina 1108576;1429817551;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.5633, Best ask: 235.564914, Bid-ask spread: 0.00161, Last trade: 235.55523, 24 hour volume: 78611.17550000, 24 hour low: 234.03, 24 hour high: 238.12149, 24 hour vwap: 235.614537073 1108577;1429818277;jurov;http://tiffzhang.com/startup/ heh gut 1108578;1429818278;assbot;Startup Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1Doemvi ) 1108579;1429818410;williamdunne;jurov: Painfully realistic 1108580;1429818431;jurov;http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=49029980379 hahaha you can use this for the bdsm job 1108581;1429818432;assbot;Startup Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1d5HeCk ) 1108582;1429818504;mircea_popescu;lmao 1108583;1429818525;mircea_popescu;what is with the popped collars @girl! 1108584;1429818710;scoopbot_revived;News! Test Post URL: https://scoopbot.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/test-post/ 1108585;1429818711;assbot;Test Post | scoopbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DogmDP ) 1108586;1429819570;hanbot;so here's one: fiverr localized to arg has a welcome pic of a pretty woman singing in a mic. override to english? neotenous hipster kid, srsly looks like an 11 year old in thickrimmed glasses. 1108587;1429819647;mircea_popescu;are you making fun of my good friend in rome ? 1108588;1429819650;mircea_popescu;biggus dickus ? 1108589;1429819667;hanbot;lol 1108590;1429820187;williamdunne;welease wodewick 1108591;1429820199;mircea_popescu;>D 1108592;1429820236;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7_oNBT9wsc 1108593;1429820237;assbot;Release Woger - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oinzjc ) 1108594;1429820377;williamdunne;Emperor Pilate is one of the handles I use online 1108595;1429820940;fluffypony;I still have nightmares about the rabbit of Caerbannog 1108596;1429820993;williamdunne;Fetch the holy hand grenade 1108597;1429821056;mircea_popescu;haha. five nightmares ? 1108598;1429821064;mircea_popescu;in other news, 1108599;1429821066;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/5e7348e00b74e649b22d2a86f271fa0a/tumblr_mp19tzTnVt1ssy9wfo1_1280.jpg 1108600;1429821068;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OiqfNQ ) 1108601;1429821119;williamdunne;I've found a piece of blogging software I really like, but its written in node so now I'm conflicted 1108602;1429821121;williamdunne;Noice 1108603;1429821364;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: rewrite it? 1108604;1429821401;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Considered it, could just create my own blogging platform but thats probably more effort than its worth. Only got like 3.5k views in the week 1108605;1429821533;cazalla;http://fusion.net/story/124655/why-bitcoins-male-domination-will-be-its-downfall/ "The lack of women in Bitcoin isnt just an issue of equality. Its a fundamental weakness of the currency itself." ok guy whatever 1108606;1429821534;assbot;Why Bitcoin's male domination will be its downfall | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1OirUTr ) 1108607;1429821566;fluffypony;lolwut 1108608;1429821573;fluffypony;what's next 1108609;1429821587;fluffypony;"Why computing's male domination will be its downfall" 1108610;1429821611;fluffypony;so looking forward to everyone abandoning computers for the abacus and typewriters 1108611;1429821629;fluffypony;"Why spaceflight's male domination will be its downfall" 1108612;1429821645;fluffypony;"Why commercial piloting's male domination will be its downfall" 1108613;1429821647;mircea_popescu;they are kinda lulzy. 1108614;1429821662;fluffypony;"Why wine making's male domination will be its downfall" 1108615;1429821665;mircea_popescu;the english internet sounds more and more like a 11 yo girl's summer camp. 1108616;1429821678;mircea_popescu;o srsly, you swear never to get involved with boys because they're mean ? that's nice honey. 1108617;1429821689;*;fluffypony hands them a sports bra and a fuck off 1108618;1429821720;mircea_popescu;anyway. bitcoin's elitism and the horde's pretentiousness is setting the stage for some pretty hardcore raping and pillaging down the road. 1108619;1429821722;trinque;fluffypony | "Why computing's male domination will be its downfall" << now the real reason for the forced feminization of Turing took place; moar women in tech! 1108620;1429821738;fluffypony;lol 1108621;1429821746;mircea_popescu;somehow the idiots have lost all humility, and have absolutely no conception that yes indeed, in most situations going on your knees and begging is the correct response. 1108622;1429821751;hanbot;williamdunne> BingoBoingo: Considered it, could just create my own blogging platform but thats probably more effort than its worth. Only got like 3.5k views in the week << it's either worth the effort or not on its own merits, effects have no place in the consideration there, eh? 1108623;1429821787;mircea_popescu;hanbot honestly it's kinda not worth the effort. a wp 2.x can be hacked into enough blog platform for what one could conceivably need. 1108624;1429821841;hanbot;so what, that which can be frankensteined into working doesn't deserve to be made as a whole, from the start? 1108625;1429821868;mircea_popescu;nah, just, this particular thing is kinda derpy to begin with. who cares special stones to throw at dogs ? 1108626;1429821875;mircea_popescu;pick up whatever's handy. 1108627;1429821893;mircea_popescu;"blogging. a tech problem not worth solving" 1108628;1429821907;mircea_popescu;cms-ing moar generally. ben_vulpes prolly has the right idea. 1108629;1429821959;mircea_popescu;it was born essentially as the first bezzle thing, "we'll make you a Content Management System" to justify X agency spending more on a website than it's worth. 1108630;1429822099;hanbot;i see. well, at least this is an argument against the thing itself rather than its possible outcomes. 1108631;1429822251;BingoBoingo;General CMS seems solved http://werc.cat-v.org/ the blogging flavor could use twerk 1108632;1429822252;assbot;werc - A sane web anti-framework ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oiurgy ) 1108633;1429822543;*;fluffypony wouldn't touch WordPress with a bargepole 1108634;1429822550;fluffypony;I'll stick to Jekyll, thanks 1108635;1429822766;*;williamdunne well personally I'm going to go back to my charcoal and cave wall 1108636;1429822986;trinque;I tend to prefer static sites where they can be had 1108637;1429822991;trinque;not much to break 1108638;1429823040;trinque;that most web framework things expect to regenerate each page every time is insane 1108639;1429823058;trinque;"but this is how we've always done it!" 1108640;1429823096;trinque;yes and paper should be printed right as you are turning the page 1108641;1429823361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00029028 = 1.3353 BTC [-] 1108642;1429823453;mircea_popescu;trinque you seriously can run a site as flat html and just awk it into submission 1108643;1429823459;mircea_popescu;better than serving dynamically anyway 1108644;1429823505;trinque;indeed, for many sites it's exactly the right way 1108645;1429823519;mircea_popescu;in retrospect, i suspect my above comments were more a reflection of my personal disinclination to put anything into cms/blog platforms. seeing how trilema already exists. 1108646;1429823522;mircea_popescu;!up Naphex 1108647;1429823538;ben_vulpes;but commmenttttssssss! 1108648;1429823546;hanbot;trinque yup. plenty of places online i have the distinct feeling of waving my hands around in front of the auto paper towel dispenser, to no avail, spits an ungrippable corner now and then...so -futuristic-. 1108649;1429823555;trinque;lol 1108650;1429823580;Naphex;o/ 1108651;1429823812;ben_vulpes;adios buenos aires! 1108652;1429823837;mircea_popescu;adios ! 1108653;1429823861;trinque;bon voyage, see ya in the asylum 1108654;1429823958;mircea_popescu;how goes Naphex 1108655;1429824112;hanbot;happy travels ben_vulpes 1108656;1429824750;fluffypony;geeeze, you comment on ONE Coindesk article about Brock Pierce, and this shit happens: http://i.imgur.com/abo2i7X.png 1108657;1429824751;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DV5NL1 ) 1108658;1429824764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 565 @ 0.00203825 = 1.1516 BTC [+] {6} 1108659;1429824765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72650 @ 0.0002983 = 21.6715 BTC [+] {4} 1108660;1429824810;williamdunne;Hey Naphex o/ 1108661;1429824821;williamdunne;Long time no speak, keep meaning to go on mumble.. 1108662;1429824839;williamdunne;!rate Naphex 2 Knows his shit, and knows he does 1108663;1429824839;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e46c79d73fd0dd90 1108664;1429824869;williamdunne;!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.Naphex.2:19d40d8c7d1ce0e2137c60637c3d43729be585fbb03fbbb43354d445eb1a9003 1108665;1429824869;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for Naphex with note: Knows his shit, and knows he does 1108666;1429825064;Naphex;mircea_popescu: great! getting ready for launch on the last run. been busy as hell. how was the conference? sorry i couldn't make it :/ 1108667;1429825126;Naphex;williamdunne: hey man. how goes it? 1108668;1429825134;fluffypony;btw for any b-a'ers in Europe I'm going to be there for the next month, would love to meet up, or you could come to one of the Monero meetups I'll be presenting at (Brussels on May 19th, Paris on May 21st, Berlin on May 24th) or else I'll be presenting at Bitcoinference in Amsterdam on May 30/31 1108669;1429825142;williamdunne;Naphex: Good thanks, hows stuff been your end? 1108670;1429825252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57050 @ 0.00028928 = 16.5034 BTC [-] {2} 1108671;1429825337;Naphex;williamdunne: pretty good. been doing lots of working and on the last mile for xotika 1108672;1429825405;williamdunne;!up naphex 1108673;1429825428;williamdunne;Naphex: Ah yeah! Its always the last tweaks that take 2/3rds your time 1108674;1429825481;Naphex;williamdunne: yeah, and most of the advertising and promo starts in june to match with some conference. so why rush it 1108675;1429825495;mircea_popescu;Naphex pretty cool actually 1108676;1429825497;mircea_popescu;!up bitx 1108677;1429825498;williamdunne;Get it polished for the big day 1108678;1429825501;Naphex;getting pre-regs, and stuff done meanwhile 1108679;1429825525;williamdunne;bitx, which bitx are you from? There are like three/four of them 1108680;1429825527;mircea_popescu;fluffypony that'll teach you to stray from the cult! 1108681;1429825540;williamdunne;Naphex: Got the girls ready? 1108682;1429825553;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I think he doesn't like me calling him "Pedobear Pierce" on Disqus 1108683;1429825558;mircea_popescu;fluffypony wait, monero going on tour ? 1108684;1429825581;bitx;williamdunne, don't usually use this name - not associated with any other bitx's 1108685;1429825587;fluffypony;yes, a tour of Europe 1108686;1429825590;fluffypony;like a rock tour 1108687;1429825596;fluffypony;but less glamorous 1108688;1429825596;williamdunne;bitx: Ah okay, I assumed you were from one of the bitx companies 1108689;1429825602;bitx;nope, sorry 1108690;1429825609;williamdunne;fluffypony: The groupies have hairier necks too 1108691;1429825613;Naphex;williamdunne: yep. pre-regs and referals and romania is full of studios 1108692;1429825615;fluffypony;that too 1108693;1429825629;fluffypony;bitx: no associate with the South African exchange, eh? 1108694;1429825635;williamdunne;Naphex: Stereotypes can be useful 1108695;1429825645;mircea_popescu;Naphex a while back you could find more college chicks on webcams than @uni in any given day. 1108696;1429825670;bitx;nope, no association with them 1108697;1429825689;Naphex;mircea_popescu: yeah. much of numbers surprise me :P 1108698;1429825721;mircea_popescu;plsu bulgaria, ukraina, ex-yugoslavia, poland... prolly 5mn chicks all told. 1108699;1429825757;Naphex;also there was some raid a month ago and basicly disbanded some wierd paxum companies 1108700;1429825767;Naphex;which were paying the girls on behalf of jasmin i think 1108701;1429825812;Naphex;http://www.mediafax.ro/social/perchezitii-la-studiouri-video-chat-si-la-banci-intr-un-caz-de-evaziune-de-300-milioane-de-dolari-13999282 1108702;1429825813;assbot;Percheziţii la studiouri video chat şi la bănci, într-un caz de evaziune de 300 milioane de dolari - Mediafax ... ( http://bit.ly/1DV9qAs ) 1108703;1429825814;mircea_popescu;ah i recall reading something 1108704;1429825864;mircea_popescu;meanwhile from the yes means yes department, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8d34c556433cbde056f9ca13022b028e/tumblr_ndk9d0EwGF1tkop9po1_500.jpg 1108705;1429825865;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DV9yQC ) 1108706;1429826325;mircea_popescu;;;ud terfs 1108707;1429826327;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TERF | With books and writings by TERFs like Mary Daly and Janice Raymond, feminism in the west has resulted in the denial of necessary medical care to ungodly ... 1108708;1429826375;Pierre_Rochard;http://www.businessinsider.com/r-exclusive-bitcoin-exchange-itbit-seeks-new-york-banking-license-2015-4 1108709;1429826376;assbot;An obscure Bitcoin exchange just filed for a banking license in New York - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVbicA ) 1108710;1429826390;mircea_popescu;and even moar drama emerges. apparently this is pretty bitter, too : some feminists don't agree dudes can become women. 1108711;1429826408;Pierre_Rochard;“The bank application for itBit Trust Company LLC lists three bigwigs in government and regulatory circles as "organizers," including former Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Chairman Sheila Bair, former Financial Accounting Standards Board director Robert Herz and former New Jersey Sen. Bill Bradley. Organizers are responsible for setting up limited liability companies in New York, but do not necessarily hold 1108712;1429826409;Pierre_Rochard;operating positions within them.” 1108713;1429826464;Naphex;might as well get ready for govcoin. MIT, DCI, bitcoin devs, something something whitehouse 1108714;1429826467;fluffypony;the compliance officer from itBit presented at the Bitcoin Africa conference last week 1108715;1429826475;fluffypony;he was one of 2 presenters that wasn't completely retarded 1108716;1429826476;mircea_popescu;that sheila bair chick sure is getting around 1108717;1429826491;fluffypony;but he does firmly believe in *embracing regulation* before it cometh 1108718;1429826493;fluffypony;so he's old school 1108719;1429826499;mircea_popescu;well obviously. 1108720;1429826504;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, same thing. Qntra just had her first by quite a distance 1108721;1429826529;mircea_popescu;Naphex oh, we've been getting ready fo sho. 1108722;1429826538;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo a ok 1108723;1429826555;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/new-york-update-nyse-ceo-to-teraexchange-former-fdic-chair-to-itbit/ 1108724;1429826556;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1OF3iRI ) 1108725;1429826557;mircea_popescu;the very notion that bitcoin would have a compliance officer. bitcoin does not comply. 1108726;1429826566;mircea_popescu;everyone else complies. us congress gets a bitcoin compliance officer. 1108727;1429826580;fluffypony;yes but an exchange needs one 1108728;1429826587;mircea_popescu;yeah, to comply with b-a. 1108729;1429826590;fluffypony;because half of the exchange has to deal in some government regulated shitcoin 1108730;1429826594;BingoBoingo;Bitcoin Compliance Officer == Mosin, well oiled 1108731;1429826597;fluffypony;the other half is Bitcoin 1108732;1429826623;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: what about a compliance officer that flies around the globe verifying and signing client’s and counterparty’s GPG keys? 1108733;1429826646;Pierre_Rochard;“comply with corporate policies” - rather than “comply with govt mandates" 1108734;1429826666;mircea_popescu;actually... if i were a hooker, what i'd do is exactly this : fly around the globe, swallowing peeps' loads and signing their keys 1108735;1429826671;mircea_popescu;WOT DOMINANCE 1108736;1429826706;Pierre_Rochard;haha, +ev if you get dinner out of it too 1108737;1429826751;mircea_popescu;defo. top chicks make a decent buck. 1108738;1429826769;mircea_popescu;;;google Leelah Alcorn 1108739;1429826771;gribble;Death of Leelah Alcorn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Ohio transgender teen's mom: 'He was an amazing boy' - CNN.com: ; Leelah Alcorn: Transgender Teen's Reported Suicide Note Makes ...: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/39b3a19008c7bb56 1108772;1429827677;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVfhpi ) 1108773;1429827690;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard trinque i dunno doods. seems to me the "i am not interested in participating in this world" as a perfectly valid reason. 1108774;1429827718;mircea_popescu;Naphex so did you ever !v ? 1108775;1429827735;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: it’s absolutely a valid reason. That’s also a valid reason to sit and watch TV all day, play video games, or max out your credit card shopping 1108776;1429827743;mircea_popescu;mno. 1108777;1429827743;Naphex;!down Naphex 1108778;1429827753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00030182 = 6.4891 BTC [+] 1108779;1429827794;trinque;mircea_popescu: I can see it from a completely other angle too; the culmination of this american self-starter be the change you want to see bullshit 1108780;1429827803;trinque;you can just invent yourself, and people have to accept that 1108781;1429827816;trinque;the self-destructiveness could be incidental 1108782;1429827834;mircea_popescu;well, sure you can just invent yourself. people however... don't have to jack shit. 1108783;1429827854;mircea_popescu;same nonsense as in the previous "rape" thing, "you may not dispute my feelings, you may only feel sorry for them". herp. 1108784;1429827863;mircea_popescu;same thing as the age old "i tried therefore no one may criticize me!" 1108785;1429828190;trinque;http://www.openbible.info/topics/equality << amuses me that this is more or less in line with that 1108786;1429828191;assbot;What Does the Bible Say About Equality? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVh2Da ) 1108787;1429828207;jurov;i was surprised how many people i know (including myself) considered suicide at some point. somehow, we moved on 1108788;1429828209;trinque;yet someone who claims to follow the thing may not see how the beliefs therein lead directly to their tranny son 1108789;1429828305;mircea_popescu;jurov i'd be very suspicious of the mental health of an adult intellect that never considered it. 1108790;1429828441;jurov;trinque if the teaching was like "women have no soul", there'd be no trannies? 1108791;1429828487;mircea_popescu;eh the women have no soul thing was never mainstream. 1108792;1429828503;*;asciilifeform back in throneroom 1108793;1429828565;jurov;go away imposter :) 1108794;1429828602;mircea_popescu;is the throne = toilet thngfunctional in english too ? 1108795;1429828644;trinque;jurov: its "everyone is equal and all is forgiven" that I was pointing at 1108796;1429828660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: absolutely sop 1108797;1429828666;trinque;at least the american version I'm well acquainted with has a highly corrosive effect on one's thinker 1108798;1429828677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, what sort of 40 hours has this been ? scam! 1108799;1429828729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22557 @ 0.00028288 = 6.3809 BTC [-] {2} 1108800;1429828749;asciilifeform;22 1108801;1429828757;trinque;jurov: I tend to think the stupid concepts in the ideology have long outlived the actual belief in sky-dad 1108802;1429828757;asciilifeform;~40 there/back 1108803;1429828815;*;asciilifeform petting pet and about to settle in for the one item we have here that is not to be found in arvalhalla - sprats! 1108804;1429828865;mircea_popescu;didja tell her about the whores ? 1108805;1429828870;asciilifeform;aha 1108806;1429828879;asciilifeform;said: 'you should have attempted them' 1108807;1429828964;mircea_popescu;see, next time bring her along, you can do it together. 1108808;1429828966;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got the gpgram, finally 1108809;1429828973;mircea_popescu;whores lotta more fun that way anyway. 1108810;1429828981;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: will set to work on that thing soon as i get a bit of sleep. 1108811;1429829016;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> whores lotta more fun that way anyway. << Couples night tends to be one of the busiest at the strip clubs 1108812;1429829022;asciilifeform;the transexual thread: 1108813;1429829023;asciilifeform;!s fucksaw 1108814;1429829024;assbot;4 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw 1108815;1429829039;asciilifeform;that fella (psychologist) wrote a mega-book on the subject 1108816;1429829054;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo one of the better arguments pro harem : women know how to churn the butter outta women. 1108817;1429829055;asciilifeform;i will not spoil it here. (he had two hypotheses, both strongly predictive) 1108818;1429829111;asciilifeform;i'm no shrink, but i've always wondered if transsexualism is a kind of division-by-zero bug 1108819;1429829131;asciilifeform;(i.e. how do you get 'even closer' to $motas than fucking? only one way...) 1108820;1429829165;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i originally thought you'd have to be extremely bored to care, but then i discovered most females actually spent some time wanting to be male in their childhood. 1108821;1429829169;asciilifeform;so you end up with something like 'fuck of infinite magnitude' 1108822;1429829208;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: independent (how?) of the 'they get to drive tanks?!!11' thing ? 1108823;1429829224;asciilifeform;as in, did they want to 'wear boy clothes and do boy things' or actually swing a cock 1108824;1429829228;mircea_popescu;nah. 1108825;1429829251;mircea_popescu;usually driven by "but mo-ooo-ooom!!11 i don't wanna protect my underskirt, i wanna climb in the cherry tree!!1" 1108826;1429829260;asciilifeform;then sop 1108827;1429829261;asciilifeform;snore. 1108828;1429829264;mircea_popescu;yawell. 1108829;1429829274;asciilifeform;the m2f thing is a much harded nut to crack 1108830;1429829279;asciilifeform;*harder 1108831;1429829286;mircea_popescu;hardly. that's basically being gay. 1108832;1429829296;mircea_popescu;or a flavour thereof. 1108833;1429829305;asciilifeform;well curiously, according to (fuck, what his name) that is only one of the two phenotypes 1108834;1429829319;asciilifeform;the other would rather eat wood screws than touch man 1108835;1429829334;asciilifeform;!s the man who would be queen 1108836;1429829334;assbot;1 results for 'the man who would be queen' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+man+who+would+be+queen 1108837;1429829336;asciilifeform;^ book 1108838;1429829359;mircea_popescu;lol. "i'm not a normal guy, i'm a lesbian trapped in a male body" 1108839;1429829367;asciilifeform;not far off 1108840;1429829372;asciilifeform;from the actual statements. 1108841;1429829717;trinque;sounds like imaginary identity bullshit 1108842;1429829728;trinque;I'm from the andromeda galaxy 1108843;1429829745;mircea_popescu;well... "self directed education" necessarily constructs this "imagined identity" nonsense. 1108844;1429829752;mircea_popescu;because how else to get from point a to point b ? 1108845;1429829772;*;trinque declares himself nuclear physicist; gimme a reactor 1108846;1429829780;trinque;though the overflow idea has me thinking 1108847;1429829796;trinque;maybe it's a way to sort of sneak by the normal game of trying to get female attention 1108848;1429829809;trinque;I've noticed gay guys for example that feel they can grab tits because "not playing the game!!" 1108849;1429829957;*;hanbot would like to see people physically manifested as the sum of the handicaps they imagine they're stuck with. 1108850;1429830017;trinque;Harrison Bergeron highly relevant 1108851;1429830051;mircea_popescu;"@FLAdmin: Step 1 is to disallow incoming traffic from the trilema domain (23.235.235.243). This prevents people from using the hyperlinks on his page." 1108852;1429830071;trinque;lol what 1108853;1429830072;mircea_popescu;imagine we all died and "the web community" was stuck reimplementing the web. 1108854;1429830167;BingoBoingo;!up ben_cash 1108855;1429830179;ben_cash;salud 1108856;1429830187;ben_cash;ssh from eze looks to be busted 1108857;1429830202;ben_cash;anyways, burned the last pesos on a bottle of trumpeter 1108858;1429830215;ben_cash;and you know? shit ain't bad. 1108859;1429830247;ben_cash;not worth 160 pesos for 375 mL, but hey. comprolo en el aeropeurto, can't complain-o 1108860;1429830254;mircea_popescu;nah, hard to buy genuinely bad argentinian wine 1108861;1429830282;mircea_popescu;like it's hard to find a lithe feminist. 1108862;1429830297;ben_cash;i finally found the pet who wanted to come home 1108863;1429830306;ben_cash;but she got off the clock at six 1108864;1429830322;ben_cash;or she was being polite. quien saves! 1108865;1429830352;ben_cash;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108732 << prezactly what we do at le con 1108866;1429830352;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 22:03:43; Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: what about a compliance officer that flies around the globe verifying and signing client’s and counterparty’s GPG keys? 1108867;1429830403;Pierre_Rochard;certainly more efficient 1108868;1429830420;ben_cash;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108753 << sounds like derpdaherpnanderp 1108869;1429830420;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 22:15:47; mircea_popescu: "I have decided I've had enough. I'm never going to transition successfully, even when I move out. I'm never going to be happy with the way I look or sound. I'm never going to have enough friends to satisfy me. I'm never going to have enough love to satisfy me. I'm never going to find a man who loves me. I'm never going to be happy. Either I live the rest of my life as a lonely man who wishes he were 1108870;1429830494;ben_cash;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108792 << plz for ams to sign a thing 1108871;1429830494;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 22:35:03; *: asciilifeform back in throneroom 1108872;1429830529;ben_cash;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108811 << people go to the strip club without girls??? 1108873;1429830529;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 22:43:36; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> whores lotta more fun that way anyway. << Couples night tends to be one of the busiest at the strip clubs 1108874;1429830541;mircea_popescu;plenty do yeah 1108875;1429830547;mircea_popescu;usually the older dudes 1108876;1429830571;BingoBoingo;60+ males, most vulnerable population 1108877;1429830595;mircea_popescu;truth. 1108878;1429830603;ben_cash;hablando variedad 1108879;1429830619;ben_cash;whoa, mega cog diss 1108880;1429830630;ben_cash;hispano going on at her kids in entirely unaccented english 1108881;1429830759;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo ty for teh posting :) 1108882;1429830765;mircea_popescu;"yeah itami, i've read those. thanks for linking me back to something which is written by someone who uses words i've never read before, googling every word is a very constructive and non-timeconsuming activity." 1108883;1429830768;mircea_popescu;at least they're honest... 1108884;1429830826;pete_dushenski;;;later tell thestringpuller glad to hear you're alive! come home again soon. 1108885;1429830826;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1108886;1429830830;BingoBoingo;Wait, in Argentina ben got married again and changed his name to Cash this time? 1108887;1429830894;ben_cash;m-married? 1108888;1429830901;ben_cash;oh yeah 1108889;1429830933;pete_dushenski;;;seen diametric 1108890;1429830934;BingoBoingo;ben_cash: Isn't that why you usually change your irc_name 1108891;1429830934;gribble;diametric was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/04/10/1541258/florida-teen-charged-with-felony-hacking-for-changing-desktop-wallpaper 1108892;1429830940;ben_cash;well i found that old guitar players corpse in recoleta and in the grandest tradition of self-important argentines dug him up had my way with him (using court papers, of course), and then put his body elsewhere for political legitimacy 1108893;1429830949;pete_dushenski;another one.. 1108894;1429830954;pete_dushenski;;;seen danielpbarron 1108895;1429830955;gribble;danielpbarron was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 3 hours, 9 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: !up sickboy 1108896;1429830961;pete_dushenski;less severe. 1108897;1429830977;ben_cash;BingoBoingo: i'm shooting for a wife and children on each continent 1108898;1429830990;ben_cash;some day i'll achieve one in each country! 1108899;1429830998;asciilifeform;.deedbot http://dpaste.com/0S038SR.txt 1108900;1429830999;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOgmkb ) 1108901;1429831018;trinque;nein 1108902;1429831019;asciilifeform;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0S038SR.txt 1108903;1429831019;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOgvUB ) 1108904;1429831022;asciilifeform;damnit. 1108905;1429831026;trinque;probably ate it that time 1108906;1429831027;mircea_popescu;gpg: Good signature from "Stan 1108907;1429831028;trinque;it's just not voiced 1108908;1429831042;pete_dushenski;hiiiii hitler 1108909;1429831083;ben_cash;Good signature from B98228A001ABFFC7 1108910;1429831085;trinque;asciilifeform: message eaten 1108911;1429831088;trinque;shall dispatch on the hour 1108912;1429831100;trinque;I'll get that thing voicing itself this weekend 1108913;1429831103;ben_cash;can we get deedbot- permavoiced sil vois plait? 1108914;1429831112;trinque;ben_cash: yar ^ 1108915;1429831116;ben_cash;hyu, k 1108916;1429831128;ben_cash;trinque: omg wait until you see my new rokkitplane 1108917;1429831135;trinque;I am excite 1108918;1429831150;trinque;and also generally to hear of the rumored land beyond 1108919;1429831155;ben_cash;once i get the requisite harnesses you can put your butt in it as well 1108920;1429831180;ben_cash;mircea_popescu: btw i took your text height advice to heart and have never been happier 1108921;1429831209;ben_cash;but now i need to procure a 15" portable again 1108922;1429831245;mircea_popescu;ha! 1108923;1429831281;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: you trying out for activity compliance officer? 1108924;1429831291;pete_dushenski;ben_cash go 17" 1108925;1429831303;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard there's tryouts ? 1108926;1429831342;Pierre_Rochard;yup, coach thinks you’ve got a shot this year 1108927;1429831364;ben_cash;boarding group #1... 1108928;1429831454;ben_cash;pete_dushenski: i have 2 24" monitors at the workstation... 1108929;1429831466;*;asciilifeform begins to feel the microbes catching up with him 1108930;1429831469;ben_cash;also the 17" won't fit in my diplomat. 1108931;1429831483;ben_cash;asciilifeform: aha the curse? 1108932;1429831492;asciilifeform;ben_cash: it, or another, aha 1108933;1429831500;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard well if coach thinks so.. 1108934;1429831544;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108732 << well i do travel enough. 1108935;1429831544;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 22:03:43; Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: what about a compliance officer that flies around the globe verifying and signing client’s and counterparty’s GPG keys? 1108936;1429831566;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108605 < is the preferred term “crypto-patriarchy” or “crypto-feudalism”? I like both 1108937;1429831566;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 20:38:53; cazalla: http://fusion.net/story/124655/why-bitcoins-male-domination-will-be-its-downfall/ "The lack of women in Bitcoin isnt just an issue of equality. Its a fundamental weakness of the currency itself." ok guy whatever 1108938;1429831582;*;asciilifeform pictures an opposite, 'defiance officer' 1108939;1429831589;ben_cash;Could not find artifact me.raynes.conch:me.raynes.conch:jar:0.8.0 in clojars << EZE is officially on my shitlist now 1108940;1429831592;pete_dushenski;ben_cash what's a 'diplomat' other than a well-connected wine drinker ? 1108941;1429831608;mircea_popescu;ssh is a privilege not a right! 1108942;1429831614;mircea_popescu;terrorist! 1108943;1429831629;trinque;I bet you've got a nice wifi splash page in that jar 1108944;1429831631;asciilifeform;''tis a privilege to pee! you come down and pay the fee!' (tm) (r) 1108945;1429831689;asciilifeform;ben_cash: all 4 airports i just walked through were ham-handedly boojummed in this way 1108946;1429831713;ben_cash;;afeosmifhgwiuneghviwu4nehrgmaeil 1108947;1429831721;ben_cash;mircea_popescu: i want this skull on my desk 1108948;1429831727;asciilifeform;vpn over dns to a real box, say 1108949;1429831741;asciilifeform;(or something similarly baroque but foolproof) 1108950;1429831754;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard privilege and elitism should also be in there 1108951;1429831772;ben_cash;pete_dushenski: the exquisitely well hand crafted leather nuke suitcase i carry. 1108952;1429831798;asciilifeform;Pierre_Rochard: in some places called 'attache' 1108953;1429831809;ben_cash;asciilifeform: next trip. 1108954;1429831821;ben_cash;i've approximately 3 minutes before i get on this plane. 1108955;1429831829;*;asciilifeform actually brought own modem, but it was a sc4m 1108956;1429831871;pete_dushenski;ben_cash a cool. got a pic ? 1108957;1429831885;ben_cash;of my briefcase? lolno 1108958;1429831891;ben_cash;might as well take a picture of my shoe 1108959;1429831910;pete_dushenski;so take a picture of your shoe 1108960;1429831915;ben_cash;also leather, well-crafted, 1108961;1429831928;ben_cash;entirely common device among civilized people. unremarkable, one might say. 1108962;1429831961;pete_dushenski;ben_cash whatever lol. link a pic or something if cameras are too complikated. 1108963;1429831965;mircea_popescu;attache on head! 1108964;1429831971;ben_cash;right up there with home-rolled entropy pool. 1108965;1429831979;ben_cash;"high tech", as herr lifeform says. 1108966;1429832095;BingoBoingo;!up ben_cash 1108967;1429832116;ben_cash;gratzi bb 1108968;1429832123;ben_cash;pete_dushenski: i expected you to carry one of sealfur, to be honest! 1108969;1429832142;ben_cash;pete_dushenski: http://www.josephhannaleather.com/collections/briefcases-laptop-cases/products/briefcase << the precise model, if you're curious 1108970;1429832144;pete_dushenski;haha cuz canadians club seals for lulz? 1108971;1429832163;pete_dushenski;you know mine's made of newborn's foreskin ;) 1108972;1429832191;ben_cash;has survived nearly an entire decade, with only one modification: additional hole in the shoulder strap for bike-compatibility 1108973;1429832240;pete_dushenski;ah. i use paniers 1108974;1429832263;pete_dushenski;shawp bag btw! 1108975;1429832266;ben_cash;faggot 1108976;1429832277;ben_cash;heeee 1108977;1429832279;ben_cash;thanks, boss 1108978;1429832295;ben_cash;that bag is actually the best example of inflation in action i've yet seen 1108979;1429832306;pete_dushenski;oh? 1108980;1429832307;ben_cash;cost 325 when i bought it eight years ago 1108981;1429832331;*;ben_cash thinks 1108982;1429832334;ben_cash;280 mebbe? 1108983;1429832397;ben_cash;anyways, meticulously designed. can be carried through pouring rain, and due to the excellent design of the strap mounting points not. a. single. drop. ever. reaches. the. interior. 1108984;1429832409;ben_cash;even on bike! 1108985;1429832438;ben_cash;i must now stand in line. 1108986;1429832446;ben_cash;the indignity. 1108987;1429832451;ben_cash;"cattle class". 1108988;1429832457;ben_cash;au revoir! 1108989;1429832633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15474 @ 0.00027654 = 4.2792 BTC [-] {2} 1108990;1429832671;BingoBoingo;;;seen nubbins' 1108991;1429832671;gribble;I have not seen nubbins'. 1108992;1429832722;mike_c;;;seen nubbins` 1108993;1429832722;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: oh right, yeah 1108994;1429832942;*;pete_dushenski goes to set up his camera and read poems 1108995;1429833068;mircea_popescu;o hey! looking forward. 1108996;1429833084;mircea_popescu;meanwhile "This guy is a rich bored misogynistic scumbag looking to stir shit up. This is CEO-level Trolling. What he's doing is technically legal, and even if it weren't, he has the money to keep it tied up in courts forever if not win outright. Unfortunately the worldwide legal system is run on money rather than justice, and Fetlife HAS tried to take appropriate legal action against him to no avail. This is yet anoth 1108997;1429833084;mircea_popescu;er shitty case where women must protect themselves from what boils down to a lack of actual justice." 1108998;1429833094;mircea_popescu;why the fuck is it that people can't ever just you know, be wrong anymore ? 1108999;1429833116;mircea_popescu;either my way or "lack of justice". kinda dilutes the point for all those who fiund themselves bona fide in this situation. 1109000;1429833183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5126 @ 0.00027047 = 1.3864 BTC [-] 1109001;1429833320;*;BingoBoingo waits for the fetlife "Sugar Daddy" list to appear on The Whet 1109002;1429833356;mircea_popescu;lawl 1109003;1429833381;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i doubt hanbot cares enough. but, part of the perks of this deal - qntra now has bulletproof hosting as part of the package. 1109004;1429833492;BingoBoingo;Eh, meatlist contents... rather disappointing 1109005;1429833522;mircea_popescu;how so ? 1109006;1429833539;*;hanbot could indeed not be assed, not nearly as generous as mp. 1109007;1429833539;scoopbot_revived;News! Explore the Web of Trust URL: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2015/explore-the-web-of-trust/ 1109008;1429833540;assbot;Explore the Web of Trust - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMdPc2 ) 1109009;1429833547;mircea_popescu;yay. 1109010;1429833551;mircea_popescu;dude it's so great when shit works. 1109011;1429833786;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The part where their userbase consists of so many accounts that haven't been used in years 1109012;1429833799;mircea_popescu;ah yeah, it's a dead site. 1109013;1429833817;mircea_popescu;basically, they claim 3mn users but from what i've seen it's < 1% eligible womenz, nominally 1109014;1429833827;mircea_popescu;out of which, <1% are active to any reasonable degree. 1109015;1429833839;mircea_popescu;basically... fetlife is the size of my 3rd degree social circle. 1109016;1429834508;mircea_popescu;davout got the job btw ? :D 1109017;1429835354;BingoBoingo;^Oh more scoopbot drama, quitting already? 1109018;1429839789;trinque;williamdunne: ey yo, your bot died 1109019;1429840564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39944 @ 0.00030151 = 12.0435 BTC [+] {2} 1109020;1429842638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65250 @ 0.00029709 = 19.3851 BTC [-] 1109021;1429845777;trinque;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/23/drone-strike-al-qaida-targets-white-house << pretty damn amusing word choice in the URL if you ask me 1109022;1429845778;assbot;White House admits: we didn't know who drone strike was aiming to kill | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMMsyv ) 1109023;1429846093;decimation;asciilifeform: did you enjoy your tour through central american airports? 1109024;1429846908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73420 @ 0.00030194 = 22.1684 BTC [+] {2} 1109025;1429847180;decimation;http://joi.ito.com/weblog/2014/09/01/shenzhen-trip-r.html 1109026;1429847181;assbot;Shenzhen trip report - visiting the world's manufacturing ecosystem - Joi Ito's Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMPuTq ) 1109027;1429847192;decimation;"While intellectual property seems to be mostly ignored, tradecraft and trade secrets seem to be shared selectively in a complex network of family, friends and trusted colleagues. " 1109028;1429847274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00030155 = 2.337 BTC [-] 1109029;1429847663;decimation;that's all folks 1109030;1429849946;asciilifeform;decimation> asciilifeform: did you enjoy your tour through central american airports? << ahmhahahahah. 1109031;1429849962;*;asciilifeform will probably pass on Spam Air next go around 1109032;1429850042;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109016 <<< lol no 1109033;1429850042;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 00:15:08; mircea_popescu: davout got the job btw ? :D 1109034;1429850078;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108862 << l0l, where ? 1109035;1429850078;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 23:04:57; ben_cash: i finally found the pet who wanted to come home 1109036;1429850124;davout;their latest solution "check the referer herp derp" leaves me without words 1109037;1429850186;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108229 <<< not sure if such a thing even exists, in the same way there's no average value for a chaotic scalar variable 1109038;1429850186;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 15:41:28; trinque: ben_vulpes: it is currently unknown what an appropriate blocksize would be 1109039;1429850227;asciilifeform;what's next, we can't pick an optimal mains voltage ? 1109040;1429850505;davout;if we assume it exists, how do would the value even be determined? 1109041;1429850510;davout;s/do// 1109042;1429850835;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108668 <<< i'll come 1109043;1429850835;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 21:38:54; fluffypony: btw for any b-a'ers in Europe I'm going to be there for the next month, would love to meet up, or you could come to one of the Monero meetups I'll be presenting at (Brussels on May 19th, Paris on May 21st, Berlin on May 24th) or else I'll be presenting at Bitcoinference in Amsterdam on May 30/31 1109044;1429850871;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108717 <<< as long as it is the embrace, extend, extinguish kind of embrace... 1109045;1429850871;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 22:01:31; fluffypony: but he does firmly believe in *embracing regulation* before it cometh 1109046;1429850915;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108851 <<< until they relaod the page to clear the referer herp derp 1109047;1429850915;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 23:00:51; mircea_popescu: "@FLAdmin: Step 1 is to disallow incoming traffic from the trilema domain (23.235.235.243). This prevents people from using the hyperlinks on his page." 1109048;1429852355;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108536 <<< not always, it isn't really useful in most cases for your VARCHAR(255) to be aware of what the verb is your sentence 1109049;1429852355;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 19:15:18; trinque: your data storing thing should be aware of structure 1109050;1429852384;trinque;varchar(255) not null is structure 1109051;1429852514;trinque;davout: who said a database needed to parse english? 1109052;1429852532;trinque;might be nice if it inforced x always has a y 1109053;1429852545;trinque;and an x is always (x1 x2 x3 x4) 1109054;1429852717;davout;well, you, just pushing that to the extreme to show that, even though i hardly ever use it, this unstructured nosql approach sometimes is useful, and isn't *inherently* evil like you seem to imply 1109055;1429852786;trinque;davout: to be aware of what the verb is your sentence << 1109056;1429852800;trinque;I'm far too sleepy to be calling things evil, don't see that anywhere 1109057;1429852865;davout;iirc you were discussing some message store thing with $too_lazy_to_fish_in_logs 1109058;1429853069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00030271 = 6.5385 BTC [+] {2} 1109059;1429853156;trinque;davout: one the one hand there's a discussion of the merits of using relational modeling to represent concepts 1109060;1429853165;trinque;on the other, what's done in a production web system 1109061;1429853170;trinque;I'm too tired for that one at the moment. 1109062;1429855570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00030155 = 2.4727 BTC [-] 1109063;1429858479;fluffypony;davout: ok cool, the Paris meetup will probably be at the Mozilla offices, I'll confirm closer o the time 1109064;1429859230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00030275 = 6.6302 BTC [+] 1109065;1429861182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.0003033 = 15.2257 BTC [+] {2} 1109066;1429862811;mats;AMZN surges and a winner is me http://www.businessinsider.com/aws-earns-1-billion-a-year-on-6-billion-in-profit-2015-4 1109067;1429862812;assbot;AWS earns $1 billion a year on $6 billion in profit - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPw1zy ) 1109068;1429863324;williamdunne;Wait what? 1109069;1429863330;williamdunne;How does that work 1109070;1429863371;williamdunne;trinque: What has happened to him? 1109071;1429863378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11127 @ 0.00029975 = 3.3353 BTC [-] 1109072;1429863483;williamdunne;!s scoopbot_revived 1109073;1429863484;assbot;18 results for 'scoopbot_revived' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scoopbot_revived 1109074;1429864510;williamdunne;Scoopbot has resurfaced, https error came up which didn't have any error handling. 1109075;1429865632;williamdunne;!s btcalpha.com 1109076;1429865633;assbot;115 results for 'btcalpha.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=btcalpha.com 1109077;1429865667;williamdunne;mike_c: Awesome WoT browser. Very pretty. 1109078;1429869295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9939 @ 0.00028901 = 2.8725 BTC [-] 1109079;1429869356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74165 @ 0.00028438 = 21.091 BTC [-] {3} 1109080;1429869417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00027827 = 4.1184 BTC [-] 1109081;1429870382;williamdunne;https://twitter.com/pwuille/status/591527686117466113 1109082;1429870399;assbot;/orionwl just merged pruning support in /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash Core! Run a (no wallet) full node with 1.3 GB storage. Thanks to all who contributed. 1109083;1429870471;BingoBoingo;Yes, let's make syncing even more of a pain 1109084;1429870643;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: It could cause some people to start running full nodes who weren't otherwise, don't think it will make a huge difference 1109085;1429870672;BingoBoingo;Nodes, maybe. Full, not at all. 1109086;1429870683;williamdunne;Sorry, you're right 1109087;1429870685;williamdunne;But yes 1109088;1429870699;williamdunne;I can't imagine it will remove many full nodes, just add some nodes 1109089;1429870718;williamdunne;And syncing won't be too effected with headers first, although full sync I guess could take a little longer 1109090;1429870783;BingoBoingo;Well, a headers first version has already been released 1109091;1429870862;williamdunne;Yeah, so they'll both be in the same version together so not really an issue 1109092;1429870873;williamdunne;Although I could be wrong 1109093;1429870875;williamdunne;Just a hunch 1109094;1429871436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00027787 = 4.4598 BTC [-] 1109095;1429873725;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1109096;1429873729;gribble;Current Blocks: 353489 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 1326 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 34 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48597211308.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.07233 1109097;1429874515;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109021 << yeah and im sure it's accidental. 1109098;1429874515;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 03:22:57; trinque: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/23/drone-strike-al-qaida-targets-white-house << pretty damn amusing word choice in the URL if you ask me 1109099;1429874544;jurov;intentionally accidental 1109100;1429874608;ben_vulpes; [04:33] http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108862 << l0l, where ? la poesia 1109101;1429874608;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 23:04:57; ben_cash: i finally found the pet who wanted to come home 1109102;1429874670;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109027 << eeexactly. 1109103;1429874670;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 03:46:32; decimation: "While intellectual property seems to be mostly ignored, tradecraft and trade secrets seem to be shared selectively in a complex network of family, friends and trusted colleagues. " 1109104;1429874698;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109036 << they actually implemented that ? 1109105;1429874698;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 04:35:24; davout: their latest solution "check the referer herp derp" leaves me without words 1109106;1429874838;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109039 << seems to me it's more like "we pick an optimal electron repose energy" 1109107;1429874838;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 04:37:07; asciilifeform: what's next, we can't pick an optimal mains voltage ? 1109108;1429874856;mircea_popescu;which you know... if they could be made differently more people would have access to electrons! 1109109;1429874992;mircea_popescu;aaand wd mats! 1109110;1429875071;mircea_popescu;mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ << dat shit's the tits, it has earned a spot in my "always on" list of tabs. and not even that far down the list, either! 1109111;1429875072;assbot;WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1aXLcek ) 1109112;1429875080;mircea_popescu;thanks and love! 1109113;1429875085;mircea_popescu;!rated mike_c 1109114;1429875085;assbot;You rated user mike_c on 25-Jun-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard for Bitcoin reporting.. 1109115;1429875120;mircea_popescu;!rate mike_c 4 He's been doing cool shit for years. 1109116;1429875120;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2d3f1bc51307ac8f 1109117;1429875141;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.mike_c.4:653bdc8294b5de053f1d44a45f0cee61dd1fa55e80c9fddf919787223bc8fbb2 1109118;1429875141;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mike_c from 3 to 4 with note: He's been doing cool shit for years. 1109119;1429875239;mircea_popescu;mike_c can it has anchor on "Ratings sent" and "ratings received" ? 1109120;1429875411;mircea_popescu;;;seen dub 1109121;1429875412;gribble;dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, 38 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: thats an interesting one for france given cambodia 1109122;1429875462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29346 @ 0.00027787 = 8.1544 BTC [-] 1109123;1429875489;williamdunne;!rate mike_c 1 WoT on btcalpha 1109124;1429875489;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/42b58498f085ed27 1109125;1429875524;williamdunne;!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.mike_c.1:f1e4a31471dbf17719c015bd64bcb65b4ac54604bfd41508506cfa2e782ffc64 1109126;1429875524;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mike_c with note: WoT on btcalpha 1109127;1429875902;mircea_popescu;;;seen diametric 1109128;1429875902;gribble;diametric was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 14 hours, 44 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/04/10/1541258/florida-teen-charged-with-felony-hacking-for-changing-desktop-wallpaper 1109129;1429876308;mircea_popescu;;;seen fabianb 1109130;1429876308;gribble;fabianb was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 35 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: not down but very slow it seems 1109131;1429876499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46904 @ 0.00028681 = 13.4525 BTC [+] 1109132;1429877288;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c other than anchors : can tables be sorted ? (yes it can, in the head and then class="sortable" in the table) 1109133;1429877289;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1109134;1429877486;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c also, any idea why some rating comments appear empty ? 1109135;1429877486;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1109136;1429877644;mircea_popescu;that whole wot svg is under 1mb even. great. 1109137;1429877698;mircea_popescu;!up dub 1109138;1429877704;dub;hi2u 1109139;1429877710;mircea_popescu;you know you can self up 1109140;1429877736;dub;my key is secured by lazy 1109141;1429877745;mircea_popescu;lol 1109142;1429877785;dub;how rolls? 1109143;1429877807;mircea_popescu;not bad, not bad. conference last week, fetlife this week... 1109144;1429877807;scoopbot_revived;News! A new Lordship List ? URL: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/ 1109145;1429877809;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzA6cq ) 1109146;1429877832;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla any idea why assbot keeps finding pages not found ? adds something after url maybe ? 1109147;1429877865;mircea_popescu;oh uses direct ip reference. 1109148;1429877910;jurov;no http/1.1-compatible library is good enough for assbot 1109149;1429877938;mircea_popescu;im prolly the culprit here actually. 1109150;1429877953;jurov;lol how so? 1109151;1429877958;dub;wondered when I would fall off the list 1109152;1429877979;mircea_popescu;jurov i vaguely recall asking kako to reference by ip at some point 1109153;1429877989;mircea_popescu;dub also secured by lazy! 1109154;1429878053;dub;hey now! meatspace can be busy 1109155;1429878082;mircea_popescu;that it can. 1109156;1429878128;mircea_popescu;ahhh it's nice to have the wot website back! 1109157;1429878537;williamdunne;Its pretty, too 1109158;1429878638;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109086 << that's the problem, it will make people think they';re running nodes who aren't. 1109159;1429878638;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 10:18:03; williamdunne: Sorry, you're right 1109160;1429878676;mircea_popescu;but yes, broadly speaking the efforts of power rangers are irrelevant to bitcoin. 1109161;1429878691;mircea_popescu;so dun much matter one way or teh other. 1109162;1429878719;williamdunne;Personally I reckon it'll just have more people running semi-nodes, rather than less people running full 1109163;1429878737;williamdunne;Especially as the blockchain is starting to get too big for cheap VPS systems used for most services 1109164;1429878749;mircea_popescu;i imagine what it'll actually lead to is more people with full nodes running longer shitlists of AOL type nodes. 1109165;1429878756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00027851 = 16.5992 BTC [-] 1109166;1429878758;BingoBoingo;I really fail to see much difference between the pruning nodes and the pseudo-nodes 1109167;1429878780;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well that may be because there isn't one. 1109168;1429878802;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Pruning nodes can still validate transactions with recent inputs can they not? Or do they store all inputs. Need to read how it works 1109169;1429878807;williamdunne;*all unspent outputs 1109170;1429878845;williamdunne;Whereas pseudo-nodes just tell everyone everything 1109171;1429878864;mircea_popescu;'pruning' offers a guarantee that the node won't be able to offer you a block which contains all spent outputs. 1109172;1429878865;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Problem isn't the unspent tx set, it is the blocks 1109173;1429878873;mircea_popescu;which is how it saves space. 1109174;1429878895;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I need to read up on it first before commenting 1109175;1429878924;BingoBoingo;It's hard enough to find sync worthy nodes in the wild as is 1109176;1429878924;mircea_popescu;there isn't anything particularly wrong with the approach, much like there isn't anything wrong with holding up a sign, or drinking a cup of coffee. 1109177;1429878941;mircea_popescu;once people involved start imagining that holding up signs / drinking coffee is relevant to bitcoin, they have somewhat of a problem 1109178;1429878955;mircea_popescu;but considering the rest of the problems they have, to them it's minor, and to us... well we didn't care before, either. 1109179;1429879144;williamdunne;Okay, so from a little reading it does seem that they keep the full unspent TX set. While they can't provide all the blocks to someone who wants everything from the genesis it does seem like a pretty big improvement to me - should see a lot more verifying nodes - no? 1109180;1429879168;mircea_popescu;verifying nodes, yes. 1109181;1429879185;mircea_popescu;this is not particularly useful tho, once you have 10 nodes doing verification, it's done. what's X gonna find that Y does not ? 1109182;1429879191;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the important function of nodes is storage. 1109183;1429879219;williamdunne;Verifying nodes are good for those that care about accepting unconfirmed tx/s IIRC 1109184;1429879234;mircea_popescu;it's the usg playbook : give more people the illusion of participation, so you can take more control of the underlying processes. 1109185;1429879256;mircea_popescu;williamdunne explain how ? verification doesn't happen faster for having more nodes doing it. 1109186;1429879263;mircea_popescu;it may happen closer to you geographically, but w/e. 1109187;1429879278;williamdunne;Something to do with propogation 1109188;1429879287;mircea_popescu;at best a log. 1109189;1429879318;mircea_popescu;but people who actually care about 0tx are currently in practice and are in theory much better served by just keeping vpn links to actual main nodes. 1109190;1429879362;williamdunne;Thats what most of them do anyway, no? i.e in Electrum 1109191;1429879379;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1109192;1429879387;williamdunne;Seems like it can only be beneficial if it moves some away from Electrum and onto verifying nodes 1109193;1429879400;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Electrum just does http/TLS 1109194;1429879406;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's a toy, like any other. people learning and kids are more than welcome to their fun, what. 1109195;1429879417;jurov;no it uses stratum/ssl but that's a tech detail 1109196;1429879438;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: They connect to a single node, who you would assume is fairly well connected 1109197;1429879455;BingoBoingo;ty jurov 1109198;1429879529;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: I really don't see how people could use electrum without their own node/server (hug-e pain) 1109199;1429879560;mircea_popescu;btw, mod6, ben_vulpes, erryone : News! A new Lordship List ? URL: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/ 1109200;1429879560;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzA6cq ) 1109201;1429879561;mircea_popescu;if comments etc. 1109202;1429879606;jurov;BingoBoingo: if you don't mind server knowing your addresses, then it's fine. otherwise, i agree 1109203;1429879696;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: It used to be okay, I wouldn't want to use it now but did its job fine 1109204;1429879714;jurov;what changed? 1109205;1429879765;BingoBoingo;jurov: Yeah. Then there's public servers that just suck. Laggy, don't always send updates, potential chance they could begin lying. 1109206;1429879798;williamdunne;I'll be on that list someday :'( 1109207;1429879850;jurov;yes, bitcoin node using real database is needed... then electrum server would only need to add its indexes 1109208;1429879880;mircea_popescu;williamdunne certainly if you keep going at the present rate o.O 1109209;1429879883;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Yeah, I originally quit using them because I could never connect 1109210;1429879891;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I have no intention of slowing down 1109211;1429880001;williamdunne;!s summary? 1109212;1429880002;assbot;259 results for 'summary?' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=summary%3F 1109213;1429880043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36142 @ 0.00028198 = 10.1913 BTC [+] {2} 1109214;1429880057;kakobrekla; News! A new Lordship List ? URL: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/ 1109215;1429880057;assbot;A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcCGVC ) 1109216;1429880072;williamdunne;Quick fix 1109217;1429880091;mircea_popescu;yay ty kako 1109218;1429880448;BingoBoingo;ty kakobrekla http://www.picturesdepot.com/photo/p/pacman_cookies-4127.jpg 1109219;1429880450;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcDFFl ) 1109220;1429880548;mircea_popescu;" the line to get on the elevator was a good hour long." 1109221;1429880550;mircea_popescu;holy shit. 1109222;1429880561;mircea_popescu;who, for what reason, would ever put themselves in this situation ? 1109223;1429880805;kakobrekla;!gettrust links to mikes creation now 1109224;1429880805;assbot;links and to are not registered in WoT. 1109225;1429880841;mircea_popescu;!gettrust kakobrekla 1109226;1429880843;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 60 via 34 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=kakobrekla | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/kakobrekla/ 1109227;1429880843;williamdunne;1/10 1109228;1429880849;williamdunne;10/10 1109229;1429880852;mircea_popescu;epic. 1109230;1429880868;mircea_popescu;-5anduck1.07483Dec. 22, 2014idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works. 1109231;1429880869;mircea_popescu;lawl 1109232;1429881139;williamdunne;!bitcoin-otc fork 1109233;1429881146;williamdunne;!s bitcoin-otc fork 1109234;1429881146;assbot;0 results for 'bitcoin-otc fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoin-otc+fork 1109235;1429881151;williamdunne;!s fork 1109236;1429881152;assbot;686 results for 'fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork 1109237;1429881210;mircea_popescu;what are you looking for ? 1109238;1429881254;williamdunne;The reason behind forking from bitcoin-otc 1109239;1429881279;williamdunne;Something about downtime and a vulnerability is what I read on btcalpha but not much detail as to exactly what 1109240;1429881314;mircea_popescu;gribble went down at some point. this is rare, but whatever, happens. nanotube was also unresponsive. after a few days in this position assbot got enabled to wot 1109241;1429881335;mircea_popescu;turns out the guy was just traveling at the time (was right around the new year). 1109242;1429881482;williamdunne;Ah, so sort of just bad luck? 1109243;1429881507;mircea_popescu;well at that time you couldn't tell what happened. for all you know, nano was usg-kidnapped. 1109244;1429881520;mircea_popescu;wot is a crucial bit of infrastructure, and so it's watched and protected accordingly. 1109245;1429881530;williamdunne;It'd be nice if they could connect, especially as they can still verify the signatures on each. 1109246;1429881531;williamdunne;Yeah I understand why it was done - not criticizing it at all 1109247;1429881540;mircea_popescu;in fairness, prolly a lot more crucial here than in -otc, so some sort of decoupling was probably unavoidable. 1109248;1429881582;mircea_popescu;williamdunne there was some discussion re making them communicate, but no concrete steps towards gribble becoming able to sign its stuff so far. 1109249;1429881587;mircea_popescu;otherwise it could probably happen in a day. 1109250;1429881605;williamdunne;Yeah not exactly a big software job. Can be done in a few hours if that 1109251;1429881644;mircea_popescu;what i imagine is the case is - nano was planning to make an upgraded gribble for what, coupla years now. he's probably thinking to have it done in one piece. 1109252;1429881674;mircea_popescu;speculating because well, never heard anything specific on the topic. 1109253;1429881706;williamdunne;Kinda pathetic if you've been intending to do something for a couple of years and it still hasn't happened (assuming the only constraint is time) 1109254;1429881730;mircea_popescu;to quote dub, "meatspace can be busy" 1109255;1429881744;mircea_popescu;besides, erryone gets to set their own priorities and so on. 1109256;1429881804;williamdunne;Sure, but even the bottom of my list can expect to be done within 6 months 1109257;1429881813;williamdunne;Maybe I'm just being unfair 1109258;1429881815;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ya. 1109259;1429881964;BingoBoingo;list bottoms tend to be downwardly mobile 1109260;1429882208;scoopbot_revived;News! New Web of Trust Web Explorer URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/new-web-of-trust-web-explorer/ 1109261;1429882209;assbot;New Web of Trust Web Explorer | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcIjmA ) 1109262;1429882321;pete_dushenski;goooood morning! 1109263;1429882346;pete_dushenski;let's see if this testpost works on scoopbot_revived... 1109264;1429882379;williamdunne;I'll be happy to fix it if it doesn't 1109265;1429882380;scoopbot_revived;News! scoopbot_revived testpost URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/24/scoopbot_revived-testpost/ 1109266;1429882381;assbot;scoopbot_revived testpost | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1bAyWSk ) 1109267;1429882391;williamdunne;Lol, good timing 1109268;1429882430;pete_dushenski;beautiful. so, so beautiful. 1109269;1429882431;mircea_popescu;check it out pete_dushenski ! 1109270;1429882441;mircea_popescu;poor guy was belabouring with this for months. 1109271;1429882481;pete_dushenski;lol you dun understand how sad i was when i first scanned the logs for the post i published early early this morning/late last night... and it wasn't there 1109272;1429882493;pete_dushenski;but williamdunne, you did it. wd! 1109273;1429882550;williamdunne;Thank you very much :) 1109274;1429882569;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/24/narrated-video-of-the-poem-stop-all-the-clocks-again/ << for mircea_popescu and whoever else likes his poetry but wonders how it'd sound spoken by yours truly 1109275;1429882570;assbot;Narrated video of the poem ‘Stop all the clocks (again)’ | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1bAzA2b ) 1109276;1429882572;williamdunne;Yeah it broke this morning because there was some error checking missing and btctrading broke it 1109277;1429882584;pete_dushenski;!gettrust williamdunne 1109278;1429882585;assbot;Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=williamdunne | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/ 1109279;1429882601;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Oh, and mike did a new trust thingy 1109280;1429882604;pete_dushenski;^heh btcalpha link 1109281;1429882613;mircea_popescu;"Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available. Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video." 1109282;1429882616;mircea_popescu;a sadness is me! 1109283;1429882639;pete_dushenski;negro please! 1109284;1429882653;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: you can't watch html5 video? 1109285;1429882656;pete_dushenski;flash... i get 1109286;1429882659;mircea_popescu;i can, this isn't. 1109287;1429882671;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski also in the news, you didn't send a pingback. 1109288;1429882808;pete_dushenski;well trackbacks, but i know what you mean. the things are borked 1109289;1429882832;pete_dushenski;i've received the last few from qntra, but missed a few before that.. 1109290;1429882852;pete_dushenski;pretty sure the last one from trilema didn't come through 1109291;1429882870;mircea_popescu;lemme run that script thingee 1109292;1429882901;pete_dushenski;i know for a fact that you linked to http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/how-to-become-a-good-poker-player-translated/ 1109293;1429882903;assbot;How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcKq9Y ) 1109294;1429882926;pete_dushenski;improving upon my meagre translation and whatnot 1109295;1429883023;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on " BTC to top $350 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1135/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.89313103 BTC. Current weight: 94,793. 1109296;1429883404;pete_dushenski;k, this video is getting moved over to vimeo. 1109297;1429883418;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i got to it meanwjilr 1109298;1429883422;mircea_popescu;manwhile* 1109299;1429883451;pete_dushenski;ah different browser ? 1109300;1429883470;jurov;http://www.coindesk.com/sec-bitcoin-exchange-60000-securities-violations/ burnside got burned 1109301;1429883470;assbot;SEC Fines Defunct Bitcoin Exchange Operator $68,000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcLQkO ) 1109302;1429883507;mircea_popescu;so this is why 100k ? 1109303;1429883529;mircea_popescu;"The issuers paid 11,450 LTC and 210 BTC in listing fees, respectively." 1109304;1429883530;mircea_popescu;orly. 1109305;1429883634;jurov;;;seen burnside 1109306;1429883634;gribble;burnside was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 39 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 18 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: lol 1109307;1429883646;mircea_popescu;" and in a memorable email exchange said it was investigating exchange MPEx owner Mircea Popescu over the sale of popular gambling site SatoshiDICE for over $11.5m in bitcoin." 1109308;1429883650;mircea_popescu;umm... it said that ?! 1109309;1429883696;mircea_popescu;;;seen justusranvier 1109310;1429883697;gribble;justusranvier was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 28 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 57 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: On the plus side, this arrangement means I can run Skype in a virtualized sandbox that's far away from my real desktop 1109311;1429883772;BingoBoingo;lol http://qntra.net/2014/12/ethan-burnside-fined-by-sec/ 1109312;1429883773;assbot;Ethan Burnside Fined By SEC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcMuyV ) 1109313;1429883846;williamdunne;I still don;t understand who the hell would launch that from inside the US? Like srsly. Its not even opsec at this point, its just about not being goddam mentally handicapped 1109314;1429883862;pete_dushenski;heh. 1109315;1429883892;mircea_popescu;the guy had issues. if you think you can swallow a tractor, then by the same head you will probably also think you can swallow it underwater. 1109316;1429883908;mircea_popescu;it's this entire "empowerment" idiocy going around the english space these decades. 1109317;1429883921;williamdunne;Thats a great analogy. I like that. 1109318;1429883927;williamdunne;"I can do anything if I put my mind to it" 1109319;1429883944;williamdunne;Then again, thats kinda hypocritical because I treat my own aspirations with that mentality 1109320;1429883984;mike_c;mircea_popescu: yes, I'll add JS sorting to the tables that fit on a page. 1109321;1429884000;mike_c;re: empty comments, some ratings don't have a comment. 1109322;1429884003;mircea_popescu;mike_c from experience, even tables with > 10k entries are sortable. just takes a sec. 1109323;1429884012;mircea_popescu;but it only engages if someone clicks a header. so pretty safe. 1109324;1429884090;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-v/ << it's deployed there for instance if you wanna play with it. 1109325;1429884092;assbot;The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume V on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcNaEz ) 1109326;1429884092;mike_c;yeah. for the main table (7500 users), I'll make a separate page with the whole list. 1109327;1429884123;pete_dushenski;;;seen artifexd 1109328;1429884124;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 15 hours, 45 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1109329;1429884158;pete_dushenski;ah good. 1109330;1429884163;mircea_popescu;that happens to be 7015 rows 1109331;1429884325;mats;https://developers.yubico.com/ykneo-openpgp/SecurityAdvisory%202015-04-14.html 1109332;1429884326;assbot;SecurityAdvisory 2015-04-14 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcNGSW ) 1109333;1429884355;pete_dushenski;lol nfc 1109334;1429884363;mats;> Yubikey NEO (JavaCard OpenPGP) private key operations can be accessed without PIN 1109335;1429884439;mircea_popescu;heh 1109336;1429884458;mircea_popescu;well if they make it so it can also be accessed without a card, i'm probably getting an infinity of them. 1109337;1429884490;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33mqle/charlie_shrem_gets_2_years_in_prison_for_selling/cqmhr0m 1109338;1429884492;assbot;reddit_sucks2 comments on Charlie Shrem gets 2 years in prison for selling bitcoins while former CIA director gets 2 years probation for telling a whore national security secrets. ... ( http://bit.ly/1d99XG8 ) 1109339;1429884579;mircea_popescu;doesn't this disparity seem scandalous ? whence the gall to "punish" a cia boss. 1109340;1429884604;mircea_popescu;i'd be seriously insulted if i actually were to take the us seriously. 1109341;1429884661;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/13a65924dd40031e1bfa04f4ca4d8bef/tumblr_n0l44cfPpU1revz5to3_500.gif 1109342;1429884662;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcOvuS ) 1109343;1429884671;BingoBoingo;I'm just surprised at the outrage over calling a woman who traded sex for advantage an applicable label 1109344;1429884763;mircea_popescu;i think the applicable label is "socialite" 1109345;1429884980;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: so... trackback ? thoughts on poem narration ? 1109346;1429884988;BingoBoingo;Nah, that was the other mistress. MistressLeak lack the appropriate social background 1109347;1429885289;williamdunne;Not sure what that guy thinks he is doing in the background 1109348;1429886057;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well it sounds just like a pete d! 1109349;1429886060;mircea_popescu;!up austeritysucks 1109350;1429886084;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski and i resent trackbacks ten minutes ago or os. 1109351;1429886116;pete_dushenski;lol there's no masking the bare fact that my voice is... my voice. 1109352;1429886128;pete_dushenski;in any event, i was reasonably pleased with the result. 1109353;1429886148;pete_dushenski;some of the flows in that poem were awkward to say the least 1109354;1429886182;pete_dushenski;'every single feather of each single dove' wants to be 'every single feather of every single dove' 1109355;1429886331;mircea_popescu;it's made like a gauntlet for the reader, that's for sure. 1109356;1429886339;mircea_popescu;also gl with stuff like sea you see and so on. 1109357;1429886343;mircea_popescu;thing's spiked all the way. 1109358;1429886588;pete_dushenski;sea you see wasn't bad at all, i quite liked that line 1109359;1429886612;pete_dushenski;even 'gloomly', though unusual, works 1109360;1429886648;pete_dushenski;the third and fourth stanzas tripped me up the most 1109361;1429886687;BingoBoingo;Oh, mike_c has a choice, to feel prouds or shames https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33pn2t/new_bitcoin_web_of_trust_explorer/ 1109362;1429886689;assbot;New Bitcoin Web of Trust Explorer : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pv2rDy ) 1109363;1429887178;mike_c;uh oh, btcalpha has officially jumped the shark now :) 1109364;1429887474;BingoBoingo;Seriously, mike_c You almist might have to get back to monthly blogging. Maybe even speed up to weekly 1109365;1429887562;mike_c;yeah, I got to get back to it. 1109366;1429887632;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: no cloak on your nick eh. 1109367;1429887671;williamdunne;Eh, not too concerned about it 1109368;1429887758;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: I had to get one when my home IP address started getting DDOSed 1109369;1429887785;williamdunne;If that happens I'll go for it, retroactively though. It'd be an inconvenience at most 1109370;1429889973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 900 @ 0.00202686 = 1.8242 BTC [+] {13} 1109371;1429891126;mats;AMZN ticker is ridiculous 1109372;1429891245;pete_dushenski;+15%. whoa. 1109373;1429891247;mats;closed yesterday at 390 with uncertainty premium due to earnings report, opens at 440 1109374;1429891506;funkenstein_;people love the unverifiable numbers they reported i guess 1109375;1429891577;pete_dushenski;'people' 1109376;1429891604;funkenstein_;i should take that back, I have no clue who the relevant market makers are here 1109377;1429891926;pete_dushenski;figure it's banks and whatever funds. 1109378;1429891943;mats;i started buying AMZN after it became clear they had intentions of becoming a USG contractor 1109379;1429891993;pete_dushenski;well played. when was this ? 1109380;1429892001;pete_dushenski;http://business.financialpost.com/news/fp-street/here-are-the-most-cringeworthy-chat-message-that-landed-deutsche-bank-with-a-record-us2-5b-fine << speaking of market makers 1109381;1429892003;assbot; Here are the most cringeworthy chat messages that landed Deutsche Bank with a US$2.5B rate-rigging fine | Financial Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gr3nHD ) 1109382;1429892056;pete_dushenski;"COULD WE PLS HAVE A LOW 6MTH FIX TODAY OLD BEAN?" 1109383;1429892121;mats;http://fcw.com/articles/2013/03/18/amazon-cia-cloud.aspx 1109384;1429892122;assbot;Amazon and CIA ink cloud deal -- FCW ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gr3PFO ) 1109385;1429892163;williamdunne;Nice to see some civility in the markets 1109386;1429892178;Pierre_Rochard;what’s cringeworthy about those chat messages? 1109387;1429892212;williamdunne;I suppose the "cringe" is about how brazen it was 1109388;1429892221;williamdunne;Like "ooohhh and theres 2.5b gone" 1109389;1429892237;williamdunne;"There is the near entirety of bitcoin's market cap gone" 1109390;1429892274;Pierre_Rochard;also, traders getting blamed for poorly designed “market” mechanisms… I liken it to the stanford prison experiment - what exactly were you expecting? 1109391;1429892311;pete_dushenski;'don't blame the bankers/jooz' 1109392;1429892335;pete_dushenski;mats: ah wd. 1109393;1429892337;williamdunne;What do "jooz" have to do with it? 1109394;1429892355;pete_dushenski;scapegoat par excellence ? 1109395;1429892356;williamdunne;"COULD WE PLS HAVE A LOW 6MTH FIX TODAY OLD YID?" 1109396;1429892392;Pierre_Rochard;well - some of the execs who designed this certainly deserve blame, some of which may coincidentally be bankers/jooz… all of them likely long retired/dead 1109397;1429892442;Pierre_Rochard;but really I’d cast blame on the lemmings who use LIBOR for everything and anything 1109398;1429892594;pete_dushenski;not sure how much of a coincidence it is that those in positions of influence, who needed to be leveraged by the state and 'the consumers who've come to expect', would be bankers and/or jooz 1109399;1429892628;pete_dushenski;so the state leveraged those of influence, and were leveraged in turn 1109400;1429892641;pete_dushenski;and both grew larger. and larger. 1109401;1429892671;pete_dushenski;and the incentives inherent in large organisations became manifest until we arrived here. 1109402;1429893137;*;asciilifeform finally up 1109403;1429893194;Pierre_Rochard;my point was only that traders gonna trade. The real cringeworthiness happened in 1984 when some old beans decided this was an acceptable way of doing business 1109404;1429893197;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Is it not generally accepted that banking/law etc is engrained into Jewish culture 1109405;1429893257;asciilifeform;!rated chetty 1109406;1429893257;assbot;You have not rated chetty. 1109407;1429893269;Pierre_Rochard;!rated danielpbarron 1109408;1429893269;assbot;You rated user danielpbarron on 07-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I know my tweets are good when he favorites them https://twitter.com/danielpbarron. 1109409;1429893295;asciilifeform;!rate chetty 1 met in the flesh; guiding light from beyond the barbed wire 1109410;1429893295;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8338db47fcc098c8 1109411;1429893307;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: if it is, where would that leave us ? 1109412;1429893311;Pierre_Rochard;!unrate danielpbarron 1109413;1429893311;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/89779f161317ce35 1109414;1429893329;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.chetty.1:046703414245aad3e18a075c8514985e26fe218339267c14bcd33c90d0695c9f 1109415;1429893329;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for chetty with note: met in the flesh; guiding light from beyond the barbed wire 1109416;1429893395;asciilifeform;!rated mike_c 1109417;1429893395;assbot;You rated user mike_c on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: live human, cellular automata, jolly good fellow. 1109418;1429893398;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Exactly where we are now 1109419;1429893456;asciilifeform;!rate mike_c 4 expert infrastructural welder, skeptical voice, jolly good fella. met in the flesh. 1109420;1429893456;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a90d420adc292561 1109421;1429893484;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.mike_c.4:67396ced34df1362320457c1d7615e7e63fa9fc9d8b47b75174cedafd102cecd 1109422;1429893484;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mike_c from 3 to 4 with note: expert infrastructural welder, skeptical voice, jolly good fella. met in the flesh. 1109423;1429893508;asciilifeform;!rated thickasthieves 1109424;1429893508;assbot;You rated user thickasthieves on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: live human, ate synthetic food, jolly good fella. 1109425;1429893515;asciilifeform;!unrate thickasthieves 1109426;1429893515;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/94de203d7844733d 1109427;1429893538;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: which is where ? 1109428;1429893541;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.thickasthieves:c3dc04a261e663c3af90252b49e5fbaf514381fab2eb960c377197f5aa56edbf 1109429;1429893542;assbot;Successfully unrated thickasthieves 1109430;1429893597;asciilifeform;!rated mod6 1109431;1429893597;assbot;You have not rated mod6. 1109432;1429893598;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: A world where Jews are over-represented in banking and law? 1109433;1429893608;pete_dushenski;!unrate thickasthieves 1109434;1429893608;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8821fa713e54d102 1109435;1429893654;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.unrate.thickasthieves:244008f61896ead038af8a3a566dde9ef6f398272983799b3473b48e56530279 1109436;1429893654;assbot;Successfully unrated thickasthieves 1109437;1429893654;asciilifeform;!rate mod6 3 therealbitcoin.org. met in the flesh. jolly good fella. 1109438;1429893654;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/26487e6559408a68 1109439;1429893680;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.mod6.3:ce8bb3afba5e21ba6bddb329213ff1d49977669daa30d0920ec86223fbcfafc5 1109440;1429893680;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for mod6 with note: therealbitcoin.org. met in the flesh. jolly good fella. 1109441;1429893685;asciilifeform;!rated ben_vulpes 1109442;1429893685;assbot;You have not rated ben_vulpes. 1109443;1429893692;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: define 'over-represented'. compared to what ? somalis ? 1109444;1429893712;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: The statistical average 1109445;1429893727;asciilifeform;!rate ben_vulpes 3 therealbitcoin.org. met in the flesh. fearless explorer, and jolly good fella. 1109446;1429893727;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7aefc1bd8fb4c490 1109447;1429893728;williamdunne;Some brutal unrating going on today 1109448;1429893736;BingoBoingo;First adult Joo I met IRL drove choo choo trains 1109449;1429893744;pete_dushenski;!unrate kdomanski 1109450;1429893744;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/be2a109cdcc9cc0e 1109451;1429893755;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.ben_vulpes.3:32b4724e82f1bc0cb91b68f6a7f00c7cd096e80ef2fce9482b4493e0a0d5429d 1109452;1429893756;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for ben_vulpes with note: therealbitcoin.org. met in the flesh. fearless explorer, and jolly good fella. 1109453;1429893796;asciilifeform;!rated mthreat 1109454;1429893796;assbot;You have not rated mthreat. 1109455;1429893819;asciilifeform;!rate mthreat 1 met in the flesh. aeronaut. 1109456;1429893819;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/69e348f7c582485d 1109457;1429893822;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: human skill and intelligence aren't on a gaussian distribution. average is meaningless in this context and by extension any relationship to it. 1109458;1429893847;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.mthreat.1:6c3302cbf0bfa3012004a0263dfad808267b88a9388ed23d27af1f42bc391e9d 1109459;1429893847;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mthreat with note: met in the flesh. aeronaut. 1109460;1429893851;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Doesn't seem irrelevant when comparing subsets of the wider context 1109461;1429893865;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.unrate.kdomanski:e33a49671278d1971aebe0412dc671d6e68df76818bbcedc75109ff16311dc31 1109462;1429893865;assbot;Successfully unrated kdomanski 1109463;1429893889;asciilifeform;!rated hanbot 1109464;1429893889;assbot;You rated user hanbot on 24-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: had the honour of meeting this user in person.. 1109465;1429893947;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: that's like saying that crack cocaine makes a lot of sense when you're living among homeless people in dumpsters. 1109466;1429893952;asciilifeform;!rate hanbot 3 had the honour of meeting in the flesh. author of 'shall be delivered.' guiding light from beyond the barbed wire. 1109467;1429893952;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/35b564ab447d2ec4 1109468;1429893967;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: you have no business over there in the first place 1109469;1429893982;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.hanbot.3:dcde945021741f2ba77ed99267bb2f5c8d12bc90b0273c7da057d12b15c7b359 1109470;1429893982;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for hanbot from 1 to 3 with note: had the honour of meeting in the flesh. author of 'shall be delivered.' guiding light from beyond the barbed wire. 1109471;1429894003;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: I'm not suggesting I have any issue with it, if thats what you mean 1109472;1429894010;asciilifeform;!rated davout 1109473;1429894010;assbot;You rated user davout on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: human!. 1109474;1429894073;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: not at all. and nor do i. just that the context has never and will never be evenly distributed. so no averages. so no predictions. no 'over-represented' 1109475;1429894073;asciilifeform;!rate davout 2 met in the flesh. fearless French aeronaut. 1109476;1429894073;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ddc0ccc53fe48052 1109477;1429894100;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.davout.2:6a345f7f1cbe1ea974f429657d78b525dddfe96d1a4b0a670e85117746d6bdd1 1109478;1429894101;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for davout from 1 to 2 with note: met in the flesh. fearless French aeronaut. 1109479;1429894148;asciilifeform;!unrate xplosionist 1109480;1429894148;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/24aa080efc25dab3 1109481;1429894173;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.xplosionist:92a5b39e3662ba4d29a176b67e253a134bc06efae576fcdc54f94eb03ece0cc8 1109482;1429894173;assbot;Successfully unrated xplosionist 1109483;1429894342;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: fair nuff' 1109484;1429894349;williamdunne;So whats with all the unrating going on today 1109485;1429894410;pete_dushenski;housecleaning friday! 1109486;1429894592;danielpbarron;pretty user interface is driving adoption! 1109487;1429894665;mike_c;the conference generally sparks a rash of ratings. 1109488;1429894691;Pierre_Rochard;!rated justus_ranvier 1109489;1429894691;assbot;justus_ranvier is not registered in WoT. 1109490;1429894708;Pierre_Rochard;!rated justusranvier 1109491;1429894708;assbot;You have not rated justusranvier. 1109492;1429894772;Pierre_Rochard;!rate justusranvier -1 vociferous big block advocate http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2015/01/21/economic-fallacies-and-the-block-size-limit-part-1-scarcity/ 1109493;1429894772;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/09d2e64b8d80dc27 1109494;1429894776;assbot;Economic Fallacies and the Block Size Limit, part 1: Scarcity - B I T C O I N I S M ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCjVKa ) 1109495;1429894783;Pierre_Rochard;!v assbot:Pierre_Rochard.rate.justusranvier.-1:23706dd42fdd40bd55027d8365236059aa61323c45be11d982214cc917178bed 1109496;1429894784;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for justusranvier with note: vociferous big block advocate http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2015/01/21/economic-fallacies-and-the-block-size-limit-part-1-scarcity/ 1109497;1429894811;asciilifeform;!rated nubbins` 1109498;1429894811;assbot;You have not rated nubbins`. 1109499;1429894832;asciilifeform;!rate nubbins` 1 pogoplug tester for therealbitcoin 1109500;1429894833;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0ce138859ab77604 1109501;1429894849;nubbins`;hi 1109502;1429894860;nubbins`;busy week for me, how was c3? 1109503;1429894866;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.nubbins`.1:ea278f3a78fa685a35a52cb232faff3082b590c8eb754080fd2a5707d082ac2a 1109504;1429894866;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for nubbins` with note: pogoplug tester for therealbitcoin 1109505;1429894877;*;nubbins` received a copyright infringement notice from his ISP on behalf of HBO yesterday 1109506;1429894878;nubbins`;:o 1109507;1429894880;asciilifeform;!rated danielpbarron 1109508;1429894880;assbot;You have not rated danielpbarron. 1109509;1429894925;nubbins`;of note: the text of the notice was PGP-signed 1109510;1429894942;nubbins`;but... gpg: BAD signature from "IP-Echelon Compliance " 1109511;1429894955;asciilifeform;!rate danielpbarron 2 pogoplug tester for therealbitcoin. enthusiastic hunter of lamers. plus a player of actual 'sokoban' in meatspace. 1109512;1429894955;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3a3461e6857315dc 1109513;1429894982;danielpbarron;lol 1109514;1429894984;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.danielpbarron.2:cf27f38f38067e4b904cb6e9b5e7e3e02104c0062159295a5ec301cb310c6d1d 1109515;1429894984;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for danielpbarron with note: pogoplug tester for therealbitcoin. enthusiastic hunter of lamers. plus a player of actual 'sokoban' in meatspace. 1109516;1429894984;nubbins`;SOOOOO guess i'm gonna go ahead and ignore 1109517;1429895026;danielpbarron;i had to look that word up. seems to mean "warehouse keeper" 1109518;1429895031;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: i heard about these being sent out. didn't know they came pgp-signed! 1109519;1429895047;nubbins`;well, they come "pgp"-"signed"/ 1109520;1429895052;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this is not the first time i recall seeing pgp 'sprayed on for flavour' 1109521;1429895124;nubbins`;asciilifeform unfortunately, sprayed-on PGP indicates to me that this email is fraudulent 1109522;1429895131;nubbins`;so into the trash it goes 1109523;1429895161;nubbins`;and i have explicitly not been notified of any infringement activity 1109524;1429895165;nubbins`;funny how that works? 1109525;1429895230;williamdunne;nubbins`: Wait, did you have to type in the PGP sig? 1109526;1429895246;asciilifeform;nubbins`: out of curiosity, can you post the bad sig ? 1109527;1429895251;asciilifeform;or at least the key fp in it 1109528;1429895292;williamdunne;Oh, was an email 1109529;1429895300;nubbins`;0xDE4B33712DAACFD6 1109530;1429895326;nubbins`;^ lelelel there's ONE google result 1109531;1429895365;nubbins`;http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xDE4B33712DAACFD6 1109532;1429895366;assbot;Search results for '0xde4b33712daacfd6' ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCmjkf ) 1109533;1429895418;nubbins`;aww, they have their own infringement XML schema 1109534;1429895431;nubbins`;http://www.acns.net/v1.2/ACNS2v1_2.xsd 1109535;1429895432;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCmH2g ) 1109536;1429895472;nubbins`;Normal <<< phew 1109537;1429895585;asciilifeform;!rated assbot 1109538;1429895585;assbot;You have not rated assbot. 1109539;1429895606;williamdunne;!rate assbot 3 can hardly not trust him 1109540;1429895606;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/af51b0b9e3456294 1109541;1429895613;asciilifeform;!rate assbot 10 robot, serves man, never betrayed 1109542;1429895613;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8e1bba4100d4b52f 1109543;1429895635;williamdunne;!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.assbot.3:1643e5a9e9ea73dba0306750a9dbe1479af1afd7370eb6bbfb1ca6cadb8d9050 1109544;1429895636;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for assbot with note: can hardly not trust him 1109545;1429895636;williamdunne; 1109546;1429895649;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.assbot.10:273aa02f30d121e2d6562773762ccd088044111a1e1573f679e9fb66b70a7036 1109547;1429895649;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 10 for assbot with note: robot, serves man, never betrayed 1109548;1429895658;nubbins`;!rate asciilifeform 2 capable wizard, does things 1109549;1429895658;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/837b9f49b2189964 1109550;1429895680;nubbins`;!v assbot:nubbins`.rate.asciilifeform.2:d6bd61a27260f1bbef53b20794d9eba79a899e2052ebb45aebfe9bea45b1937a 1109551;1429895680;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for asciilifeform with note: capable wizard, does things 1109552;1429895704;nubbins`;hm can i see all my rates? 1109553;1429895746;mike_c;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/nubbins%60/ 1109554;1429895747;assbot;nubbins` WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCo7cQ ) 1109555;1429895754;nubbins`;ty 1109556;1429895765;asciilifeform;mike_c: iirc updated daily ? 1109557;1429895774;mike_c;yes, kako dumps the DB daily and I suck it up. 1109558;1429895822;nubbins`;that's what the lady said to the sailor 1109559;1429895971;asciilifeform;!rated mats 1109560;1429895971;assbot;You rated user mats on 20-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: temporary voice. 1109561;1429895985;asciilifeform;!rated mats_cd03 1109562;1429895986;assbot;You rated user mats_cd03 on 20-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: voice. 1109563;1429895991;asciilifeform;!unrate mats_cd03 1109564;1429895991;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/64104cb29a726133 1109565;1429896020;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.mats_cd03:386beceb2944175602c721e50cee48c148dae9381c54e6f47c558f7c244f7cfb 1109566;1429896020;assbot;Successfully unrated mats_cd03 1109567;1429896039;asciilifeform;!rate mats 2 reverse engineer. historical researcher. 1109568;1429896039;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1cda5c65851ab84e 1109569;1429896064;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.mats.2:5f404bc6052f35a444024473404a1140e358a10985cc6e7c503d7948cf5c34b3 1109570;1429896064;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mats from 1 to 2 with note: reverse engineer. historical researcher. 1109571;1429896093;asciilifeform;!rated kakobrekla 1109572;1429896093;assbot;You rated user kakobrekla on 12-Apr-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: maker of high-quality spammicide.. 1109573;1429896118;asciilifeform;!rate kakobrekla 4 expert infrastructural welder. holds up the sky. 1109574;1429896118;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a03d7e1cab841363 1109575;1429896146;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.kakobrekla.4:50aa258661857b212655a2a7bf244cb73922f350e49bc43977fa8e7393792604 1109576;1429896146;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 3 to 4 with note: expert infrastructural welder. holds up the sky. 1109577;1429896237;mike_c;hehe. it's kakos all the way down. 1109578;1429896244;mats;pgp sig is SOP for DMCA notices 1109579;1429896262;nubbins`;is it SOP for the sig to be invalid? 1109580;1429896288;mats;happens a lot 1109581;1429896300;*;nubbins` rolls eyes 1109582;1429896309;nubbins`;this is like being arrested by a cop with a tin badge 1109583;1429896350;asciilifeform;cardboard badge. 1109584;1429896362;asciilifeform;cut out of children's magazine 1109585;1429896541;mats;what are you doing to trigger an HBO infringement notice? try to catch some GoT on TPB? 1109586;1429896734;pete_dushenski;wow, even msft +10% today. nasdaqsanity. 1109587;1429896900;funkenstein_;hi nubbins, i am guessing edk2000 1109588;1429896971;Pierre_Rochard;re msft: “Sales of Office 365 Home and Personal subscriptions were up 35 percent sequentially” <= people can’t afford to “own” office anymore, they rent it one month at a time 1109589;1429897049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37904 @ 0.00028671 = 10.8675 BTC [+] {2} 1109590;1429897050;Pierre_Rochard;leftists speak of financialization of the economy over the past ~40 years, seems as though this new era is timeshareization 1109591;1429897243;mats;http://www.realworldtech.com/intel-10nm-qwfet/ 1109592;1429897244;assbot;What's Next for Moore's Law? For Intel, III+V = 10nm QWFETs ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCu7T1 ) 1109593;1429897946;mats;http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2100133.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Hundreds-of-thousands-of-people-crowd-Copacabana-beach-in-Rio-de-Janeiro-waiting-for-the-arrival-of-Pope-Francis.jpg 1109594;1429897948;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCww00 ) 1109595;1429899123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32595 @ 0.00029351 = 9.567 BTC [+] 1109596;1429899451;mod6;!rate mircea_popescu 6 Met IRL, Owner/Operator of MPEx, Trilema, #bitcoin-assets: Always professional & helpful! 1109597;1429899451;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f2a2786dd887a97c 1109598;1429899463;mod6;!rate ben_vulpes 4 Met IRL, Bitcoin Foundation Co-Chair 1109599;1429899464;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2412df5e37082e0b 1109600;1429899474;mod6;!rate asciilifeform 3 Met IRL, S.NSA, outstanding work for The Bitcoin Foundation, created portatronic project and runs loper-os.org 1109601;1429899474;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/26313701bac3e894 1109602;1429899484;mod6;!rate mike_c 3 Met IRL, runs btcalpha.com, built new WoT tool 1109603;1429899484;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/04cb855047dde198 1109604;1429899491;mod6;!rate davout 2 Met IRL, runs Paymium. #bitcoin-assets regular. 1109605;1429899491;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0d8d7440088a912a 1109606;1429899500;mod6;!rate hanbot 3 Met IRL, MPOE-PR, author of award-winning 'Shall Be Delivered', provides tenacious exposure of scammers. 1109607;1429899500;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/32cd906eda6cc171 1109608;1429899513;mod6;!rate mthreat 1 Met IRL, built #bitcoin-assets search tool. 1109609;1429899513;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/27d3eaf0e308d62c 1109610;1429899522;mod6;!rate chetty 2 Met IRL, Eulora development. 1109611;1429899522;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/533c624503ce0e49 1109612;1429899531;mod6;!unrate thickasthieves 1109613;1429899531;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b4fa5bc81eeec688 1109614;1429900286;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.mircea_popescu.6:5ae09ffd2e4c68a142829b5d8dd4c692b09146ee0704f4f8949ebd72e4875779 1109615;1429900286;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 5 to 6 with note: Met IRL, Owner/Operator of MPEx, Trilema, #bitcoin-assets: Always professional & helpful! 1109616;1429900286;ben_vulpes;ratestorm 1109617;1429900295;ben_vulpes;c-c-c-combo breaker! 1109618;1429900302;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.ben_vulpes.4:95c3c5099875cb35554b5b1594fe6a117c185451202de71435b831c5355357df 1109619;1429900302;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for ben_vulpes from 3 to 4 with note: Met IRL, Bitcoin Foundation Co-Chair 1109620;1429900305;mod6;: 1109621;1429900307;mod6;:] 1109622;1429900326;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.asciilifeform.3:6111e80f40ca8555e6200f24940d44833a75f8c40e153a7cfb559c925607fc7e 1109623;1429900327;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 2 to 3 with note: Met IRL, S.NSA, outstanding work for The Bitcoin Foundation, created portatronic project and runs loper-os.org 1109624;1429900341;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.mike_c.3:c8bb2a5d4efe4a755f258372cd9f27b3d6c194d6e0ff4e68269cd196f1b03a4b 1109625;1429900341;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mike_c from 1 to 3 with note: Met IRL, runs btcalpha.com, built new WoT tool 1109626;1429900359;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.davout.2:1244aad3333ed91b8539c30fa297863c9c0e9fc89ed20b1682adc88c8ce0ff38 1109627;1429900359;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for davout with note: Met IRL, runs Paymium. #bitcoin-assets regular. 1109628;1429900372;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.hanbot.3:1cb4e0c458f7737d58f065c40552bcbb364ff21d69ec89199523f3dda92caeb5 1109629;1429900372;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for hanbot with note: Met IRL, MPOE-PR, author of award-winning 'Shall Be Delivered', provides tenacious exposure of scammers. 1109630;1429900394;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.mthreat.1:b2e22164a837e96dc67678c16ca18179547efe5ad5815b61b93b86624cd3df92 1109631;1429900394;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mthreat with note: Met IRL, built #bitcoin-assets search tool. 1109632;1429900407;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.chetty.2:87396006dd964de8c0f21141941c3034077af10390a9da95faaee7779075d082 1109633;1429900407;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for chetty from 1 to 2 with note: Met IRL, Eulora development. 1109634;1429900418;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.unrate.thickasthieves:a908f9c7209c211dee52c9d4a39cdf25132e6f28395aae3265c95d0032856785 1109635;1429900418;assbot;Successfully unrated thickasthieves 1109636;1429900531;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108323 << how would we know? 1109637;1429900531;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 16:16:55; mircea_popescu: we might well discover that actually 1mb is way too much, and all we can afford is less. 1109638;1429900854;Adlai;hashrate dropping too low -> need to increase mining subsidy, either by raising btc/fiat, or increasing tx fee competition 1109639;1429900953;Adlai;ben_vulpes: https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2015-04-24/?msg=37446878&page=3 1109640;1429900955;assbot;IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Olrdsy ) 1109641;1429901119;Adlai;the nice thing about reducing blocksize is that the N largest miners could just agree to not produce larger blocks, and that would raise tx fees through market forces 1109642;1429901211;Pierre_Rochard;Adlai: agreed, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986290 1109643;1429901211;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 18:35:01; gavinandresen: Pierre_Rochard: if Satoshi hadn’t slapped on a 1MB blocksize limit, would you be lobbying for a hardfork now to impose one? 1109644;1429901272;Adlai;bitcoin inflation relative to fiat prices is high enough that it's a non-issue... atm 1109645;1429901300;Adlai;let's see what happens in a halving or two :) 1109646;1429901361;Pierre_Rochard;I think it’s an issue today if we take into account NPV calculations - if gavincoin has zero future fee revenue, that has an immediate effect on the expected return of mining over the long run. Not sure that it would move the needle on today’s asic capex 1109647;1429901438;Pierre_Rochard;(having uncertainty around it alone increases the npv discount rate) 1109648;1429901455;*;ben_vulpes is entirely out of his depth 1109649;1429901471;*;Adlai is increasingly skeptical regarding the relevance of gavin's blocksize plans 1109650;1429901496;ben_vulpes;lol well we nuked it 1109651;1429901497;Adlai;let's say that i'm equally worried about gavincoin and the bitlicense 1109652;1429901539;*;Pierre_Rochard wishes those advocating for larger block size limit realized the current limit is having _zero_ effect on adoption/price and that will continue to be the case for a while if not forever 1109653;1429901563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94272 @ 0.00029351 = 27.6698 BTC [+] 1109654;1429901605;Adlai;but but but fees are driving pay-to-dust sites out of business 1109655;1429901619;Adlai;we must preserve bitcoin's core business model! 1109656;1429901639;Pierre_Rochard;I’m pro-bitlicense, render unto caesar... 1109657;1429901641;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: In fairness thats about the same as saying my internet speeds today aren't affecting my ability to do things, so it won't in the future. 1109658;1429901664;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109641 <<< incidentally that's the same argument gavin is making with his "miners cartel" 1109659;1429901664;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 18:45:19; Adlai: the nice thing about reducing blocksize is that the N largest miners could just agree to not produce larger blocks, and that would raise tx fees through market forces 1109660;1429901695;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: it’s the same as saying your internet provider can continue charging you through the nose and you’ll continue thanking them for the privilege - inelasticity of demand 1109661;1429901705;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109651 <<< how's the bitlicense even worth the mention? 1109662;1429901705;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 18:51:37; Adlai: let's say that i'm equally worried about gavincoin and the bitlicense 1109663;1429901748;Adlai;davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-04-2015#1109647 1109664;1429901748;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 18:50:38; Pierre_Rochard: (having uncertainty around it alone increases the npv discount rate) 1109665;1429901784;davout;wat 1109666;1429901785;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: 1mb blocksize is inelasticity of supply, is it not? 1109667;1429901805;williamdunne;I'm not promoting Gavin's proposal, as it is definitely stupid 1109668;1429901826;williamdunne;But does seem like the block-size will need to increase at some stage(s) if we're to continue growth 1109669;1429901846;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: yes, supply inelasticity meets demand inelasticity -> high transaction fees -> high hash rate -> maximize security 1109670;1429901852;danielpbarron;who is caesar? 1109671;1429901867;Pierre_Rochard;NYDFS 1109672;1429901890;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: But also makes it less appealing. Security isn't the only objective 1109673;1429901906;danielpbarron;when did rome fall? at what point is caesar no longer caesar? 1109674;1429901908;Adlai;davout: both gavincoin and the bitlicense are clouds on the horizon. some people sell coins for raincoats and umbrellas... though they may be wiser to stick a wet finger in the air 1109675;1429901917;funkenstein_;high TX fees also compete with off chain solutions 1109676;1429901938;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: I agree, demand destruction is part of revenue maximization, pushes the hoi polloi onto off-chain alternatives 1109677;1429901962;ben_vulpes; But does seem like the block-size will need to increase at some stage(s) if we're to continue growth << dude again with this growth bugaboo 1109678;1429901967;Adlai;oh i know how we can turn reddit against gavincoin... the blocksize limit is good for changetip! 1109679;1429901968;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: Would it not be preferable to be in a situation where blocks are routinely filled at low-ish fees. 1109680;1429901971;ben_vulpes;fuck off and DIE 1109681;1429901999;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: I know you disagree, but I personally would like to see more people/companies/whatevers using bitcoin 1109682;1429902012;davout;Adlai: the bitlicense is to bitcoin what US raw milk regulations are to roquefort, not fucking worth the mention 1109683;1429902014;*;danielpbarron strongly suspects that the greatest impediment to growth is cleaning up the code 1109684;1429902022;Adlai;williamdunne: and i would like to see the people who _use_ bitcoin paying for its security, rather than the people who hold it 1109685;1429902039;*;Pierre_Rochard would vote for “time” as the strongest impediment to growth 1109686;1429902043;Adlai;"use" as in "spend" 1109687;1429902059;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: the people i want using bitcoin take one look at the source and run screaming, as they should 1109688;1429902071;Adlai;the security is being paid for one way or another; currently, the main way is inflation 1109689;1429902103;williamdunne;Adlai: We're in agreement there, I'm not suggesting that we're ever to put ourselves in a position where blocks are huge and no-one is paying. I'm just suggesting that 1mb is no way near enough for bitcoin to be bigger than it is today 1109690;1429902112;danielpbarron;that the network could still accidentally fork over a bug is the reason we aren't seeing billions and trillions invested into bitcoin 1109691;1429902113;funkenstein_;i think the point is more people can use bitcoin at any block size. 1109692;1429902164;funkenstein_;it's a different payment model 1109693;1429902210;williamdunne;funkenstein_: Pretty much. I disagree with Gavin because it essentially makes the blocks infinitely large, but I disagree with some people here because 7tx/s doesn't even cover SWIFT payments 1109694;1429902245;Adlai;danielpbarron: well, that can always be the case... we can decrease the perceived risk through simpler code, testing, and more time since the last accidental fork, but yknow, "unknown unknowns" 1109695;1429902251;danielpbarron;williamdunne, you got a lotta log readin' to do 1109696;1429902287;williamdunne;danielpbarron: I'm not suggesting that bitcoin replaces SWIFT just to be clear.. I just meant because it covers giga+ payments 1109697;1429902296;williamdunne;Where fees are the norm 1109698;1429902299;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: stop thinking swift, start thinking halawa 1109699;1429902317;danielpbarron;let the former swift users figure out how to fit through the new hole 1109700;1429902321;Adlai;stop thinking either, start thinking tankers full of gold 1109701;1429902331;ben_vulpes;Adlai: hm? 1109702;1429902377;*;Adlai imagines hawala also has higher throughput and lower transaction importance than the hypothetical bitcoin-in-ten-halvings 1109703;1429902426;jurov;anyone thought about how the bitcoin hawala ought to work? 1109704;1429902432;williamdunne;jurov: Yes 1109705;1429902436;Adlai;http://lightning.network 1109706;1429902437;assbot;The Bitcoin Lightning Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1bpjyaW ) 1109707;1429902450;williamdunne;jurov: I designed a similar-ish system based on a network of brokerages 1109708;1429902461;williamdunne;jurov: Somewhat trustless 1109709;1429902488;ben_vulpes;no no, not the halawa for the muslim at the mosque 1109710;1429902499;ben_vulpes;the halawa of cartels. 1109711;1429902502;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2015#1035451 < actually, this obviates the need for a microtransaction sidechain 1109712;1429902502;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2015 16:28:48; ben_vulpes: http://lightning.network/lightning-network.pdf << scaling, sidechains, derpage. 1109713;1429902520;Adlai;lightning is precisely bitcoin hawala 1109714;1429902548;*;Adlai feeds the head, bbl 1109715;1429902562;funkenstein_;payment channels sound great, trustless off-chain TX heaven 1109716;1429902562;jurov;!s asciilifeform timelock 1109717;1429902563;assbot;1 results for 'asciilifeform timelock' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=asciilifeform+timelock 1109718;1429902575;jurov;and other discussion. it has its problems 1109719;1429902576;ben_vulpes;Adlai: dood mpex is bitcoin halawa 1109720;1429902585;ben_vulpes;you can push single satoshis around on mpex 1109721;1429902598;jurov;ben_vulpes: you stretch it too much 1109722;1429902609;ben_vulpes;jurov: come again? 1109723;1429902617;jurov;the hawala definition 1109724;1429902627;jurov;or you came up with this new term - halawa? 1109725;1429902657;ben_vulpes;i thought i was using it correctly 1109726;1429902670;ben_vulpes;ah no hawala 1109727;1429902692;ben_vulpes;i was always under the impression that there was no single hawala network. 1109728;1429902704;ben_vulpes;how could there be? it is of necessity a meatwot thing. 1109729;1429902709;funkenstein_;as i see it these channels will require private TXs, that is given directly to miners, to avoid malleability issues 1109730;1429902840;ben_vulpes;(entirely aside, in a fevered moment of sleeplessness on the plane from bsas i looked into ripping out the nonstandard transaction relay blocking stuff) 1109731;1429902854;jurov;traditional hawala seems to work without much technology, why sudden need to introduce nonstd or private TXs? 1109732;1429902872;ben_vulpes;(subject of, davout how goes the testnet excision? my digs show less than 50 mentions throughout the whole codebase) 1109733;1429902924;funkenstein_;afaik hawala doesn't come with failsafe refunds in case somebody goes awol 1109734;1429902966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 159 @ 0.016799 = 2.671 BTC [-] 1109735;1429903016;ben_vulpes;ya well stop trying to impose derpy fiat notions on bitcoin 1109736;1429903020;ben_vulpes;you're just going to hurt your head 1109737;1429903036;ben_vulpes;either trust your counterparties and deal with them, or don't and don't. 1109738;1429903047;ben_vulpes;none of this half-assed "dear state or magic maths please save me from my own derpitude" 1109739;1429903048;davout;funkenstein_: malleability is currently being soft-forked away by power rangers 1109740;1429903101;ben_vulpes;davout: a change to block inclusion rules? 1109741;1429903103;funkenstein_;davout, is that all ok and likely to be folded into reference impls? 1109742;1429903108;davout;ben_vulpes: testnet excision is easy, making the genesis block configurable is the harder part, you also need some standalone tool to generate genesis blocks 1109743;1429903124;ben_vulpes;mhm, i see it. 1109744;1429903134;ben_vulpes;write a standalone wallet while yer at it :P 1109745;1429903166;ben_vulpes;(i was just thanked by someone who plugged into the same outlet as me. wtf.) 1109746;1429903184;ben_vulpes;(outletpair, actually, and the unused one.) 1109747;1429903193;davout;funkenstein_: dunno, if i'm asked i'm all for canonical txids 1109748;1429903244;davout;ben_vulpes: so my plan is to start bu something easier, probably ripping out the "accounts" braindamage to get familiar with the build and patching process 1109749;1429903263;funkenstein_;if it is as simple as adding a SIGtype, that sounds fine but my understanding was there was still some subtleties on the table and gmaxwell said wait 2 years 1109750;1429903276;ben_vulpes;davout: my hero! 1109751;1429903357;funkenstein_;ben_vulpes, well in fairness you do have less current available now :) 1109752;1429903380;davout;funkenstein_: not sure what exactly is implied, so i'll refrain from commenting further 1109753;1429903397;davout;interested in references if you have any available 1109754;1429903408;ben_vulpes;davout: aren't txids canonical after block inclusion? 1109755;1429903454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78250 @ 0.00029766 = 23.2919 BTC [+] {2} 1109756;1429903498;davout;ben_vulpes: whichever is included in a block is frozen in the amber, but it's not necessarily the version that has canonical DER-encoded sigs 1109757;1429904371;funkenstein_;thanks davout, anyway I should keep better notes but I was starting here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1033396.0;all 1109758;1429904371;assbot;Semi-soft-fork to decrease the risk of tx malleability ... ( http://bit.ly/1EA8FjG ) 1109759;1429904478;funkenstein_;and this talk seemed decent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zVzw912wPo 1109760;1429904480;assbot;SF Bitcoin Devs Seminar: Scaling Bitcoin to Billions of Transactions Per Day - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EA931K ) 1109761;1429904480;trinque;davout | well, you, just pushing that to the extreme to show that, even though i hardly ever use it, this unstructured nosql approach sometimes is useful, and isn't *inherently* evil like you seem to imply << there is no such thing as unstructured data, only a question of how rigorously structured it is, and what is used to enforce that. 1109762;1429904513;trinque;the enforcement of structure can live in the component you're using to store data, or in your application layer 1109763;1429904560;trinque;to the extent that you choose to implement it yourself in an application layer, your efforts will approach what is already present and has 40+ years of research behind it in relational databases 1109764;1429904676;trinque;you'll reinvent constraints, referential integrity, transactions, so on and so on 1109765;1429904796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102750 @ 0.00029778 = 30.5969 BTC [+] 1109766;1429904819;Pierre_Rochard;trinque: I’ve seen this first hand. Unfortunately the reinvention doesn’t happen until problems arise and the sunk costs prevent a switch to SQL 1109767;1429904834;trinque;Pierre_Rochard: indeed, I've done it to myself 1109768;1429904838;trinque;speaking from experience 1109769;1429904850;Pierre_Rochard;“painted into a corner” is the phrase that comes to mind 1109770;1429905054;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109367 << you actually getting any packet spam or is that thing history by now ? 1109771;1429905054;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 15:01:11; williamdunne: Eh, not too concerned about it 1109772;1429905102;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109378 << this is sensible. 1109773;1429905102;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 16:12:23; mats: i started buying AMZN after it became clear they had intentions of becoming a USG contractor 1109774;1429905150;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109387 "brazen chats" are like "anyone could have foreseen pirate was a scam because string pirate in name" 1109775;1429905150;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 16:16:52; williamdunne: I suppose the "cringe" is about how brazen it was 1109776;1429905330;davout;trinque: nah, my point was that the rdbms-should-enforce-all-structure approach isn't very sensible, unless you're ok eventuall ending up with a spelling and grammar checker for your text fields 1109777;1429905342;davout;*eventually 1109778;1429905348;trinque;maybe we are talking past each other 1109779;1429905350;trinque;I agree with that. 1109780;1429905386;trinque;davout: however, what's wrong with a before trigger that does precisely that? 1109781;1429905393;trinque;playing devil's advocate 1109782;1429905408;trinque;there's no real reason why the db can't be involved in application logic 1109783;1429905416;trinque;postgresql for example is highly programmable 1109784;1429905417;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109474 << you know the mathematical criteria for a set to include its average is not "even distribution" 1109785;1429905417;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 16:47:53; pete_dushenski: williamdunne: not at all. and nor do i. just that the context has never and will never be evenly distributed. so no averages. so no predictions. no 'over-represented' 1109786;1429905469;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109486 << not even joking. 1109787;1429905469;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 16:56:32; danielpbarron: pretty user interface is driving adoption! 1109788;1429905483;davout;trinque: i'm not getting dragged into "where should application logic live" debates :-) 1109789;1429905510;mircea_popescu;o look, nubbins` survived the oven monster! 1109790;1429905546;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109509 << you gotta post this thingm 1109791;1429905546;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 17:02:05; nubbins`: of note: the text of the notice was PGP-signed 1109792;1429905595;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109517 << sokoban is this ancient knapsack problemizer implemented for ms-dos. it was a riot. as famous as tetris. 1109793;1429905595;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 17:03:46; danielpbarron: i had to look that word up. seems to mean "warehouse keeper" 1109794;1429905635;mircea_popescu;http://www.sokobanonline.com/ 1109795;1429905636;assbot;Play and Build Classic and Modern Sokoban Puzzles! - Sokoban Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAcBkG ) 1109796;1429905668;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109757 <<< interesting 1109797;1429905668;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 19:39:31; funkenstein_: thanks davout, anyway I should keep better notes but I was starting here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1033396.0;all 1109798;1429905740;mircea_popescu;"semi soft" ?! 1109799;1429905747;trinque;davout | trinque: i'm not getting dragged into "where should application logic live" debates :-) << can be quite enjoyable as long as one's not personally attached to the outcome 1109800;1429905783;trinque;obviously any truism in systems design can be undone by a particular case 1109801;1429905802;davout;word 1109802;1429905852;davout;on a completely unrelated note, has anyone here ever had lasik surgery? 1109803;1429905865;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109573 << ahaha great rating. 1109804;1429905865;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 17:21:58; asciilifeform: !rate kakobrekla 4 expert infrastructural welder. holds up the sky. 1109805;1429905883;mircea_popescu;davout no, because we use large fonts. 1109806;1429905892;davout;kek 1109807;1429905920;davout;just had it, looking for some feedback wrt dry eyes 1109808;1429905943;mircea_popescu;i thought you had to drip-refill them every hour. 1109809;1429905948;mircea_popescu;don't they give you a special dropper ? 1109810;1429905974;davout;i have like 4 different ones 1109811;1429906002;davout;i keep feeling like "hey, i should take my contacts off, they're getting dry", except there are none to take out 1109812;1429906034;mircea_popescu;so have your bf squirt in your eyes. 1109813;1429906066;davout;sticky eyelids? no thanks 1109814;1429906066;mircea_popescu;but srsly : should prolly talk to the doctor. iirc this is an early sympthom. 1109815;1429906091;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109578 << so it is, except if random derps in canada are doing it. 1109816;1429906091;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 17:24:04; mats: pgp sig is SOP for DMCA notices 1109817;1429906100;mircea_popescu;then they get butthurt when people say they have nfi what they're doing. 1109818;1429906132;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109582 << problem is the ascii involved. everyone plays with the bits. usually material is singed pre-emailing, whiuch then wordwrap(80)s 1109819;1429906132;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 17:25:09; nubbins`: this is like being arrested by a cop with a tin badge 1109820;1429906233;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109636 << well obvously we'd be also discovering how to know on the same ticket. 1109821;1429906233;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 18:35:31; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108323 << how would we know? 1109822;1429906263;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109638 << or the year is 2800 and the blockchain's too heavy. or or or. 1109823;1429906263;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 18:40:54; Adlai: hashrate dropping too low -> need to increase mining subsidy, either by raising btc/fiat, or increasing tx fee competition 1109824;1429906343;chetty;When providing us with content or posting content (in each case for publication, whether on- or off-line) using the Services, you grant the PayPal Group a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicensable (through multiple tiers) right to exercise any and all copyright, publicity, trademarks, database rights and intellectual property rights you have in the content, in any media known now or in the future. Further, to 1109825;1429906343;chetty;the fullest extent permitted under applicable law, you waive your moral rights and promise not to assert such rights against the PayPal Group, its sublicensees or assignees. 1109826;1429906398;mircea_popescu;lol where ios this !? 1109827;1429906428;chetty;paypal says they are changing the tou to include this 1109828;1429906442;chetty;https://www.paypal.com/ie/webapps/mpp/ua/upcoming-policies-full?locale.x=GB 1109829;1429906444;assbot;PayPal ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAfEZY ) 1109830;1429906447;trinque;where do they have a place to post content? 1109831;1429906459;trinque;like if you upload a logo to your payment page, you don't own that logo? 1109832;1429906536;chetty;so it would seem not sure what 'providing us with content means', just selling thing via them? 1109833;1429906543;mircea_popescu;seems like it could be so construed o.O 1109834;1429906554;trinque;seems like uploading a png is providing content yeah 1109835;1429906562;trinque;hilarious 1109836;1429906563;mircea_popescu;lmao 1109837;1429906574;mircea_popescu;so wait, they seriously expect a claim in the trademarks of everyone selling through them ?! 1109838;1429906608;chetty;well thats how it reads to me, but I not lawyer :P 1109839;1429906608;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109646 << i don't think so. it has an effect on its relevancy for mining, not on mining itself. 1109840;1429906608;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 18:49:21; Pierre_Rochard: I think it’s an issue today if we take into account NPV calculations - if gavincoin has zero future fee revenue, that has an immediate effect on the expected return of mining over the long run. Not sure that it would move the needle on today’s asic capex 1109841;1429906662;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109656 << once the commissioner duly asks for and receives his commision here, i'm all for it too. 1109842;1429906662;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 18:53:59; Pierre_Rochard: I’m pro-bitlicense, render unto caesar... 1109843;1429906667;mircea_popescu;before, it's just fraud. 1109844;1429906677;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: ah agreed, important distinction 1109845;1429906713;mircea_popescu;stuff like "herp, polyanna boring printed herself a princess crown". 1109846;1429906718;mircea_popescu;that shit's for 11yos. 1109847;1429906721;Pierre_Rochard;well I’m a gaullist, I tend to respect sovereignties as a matter of realpolitik 1109848;1429906735;mircea_popescu;o yeah ? how many tank divisions does the city of new york have ? 1109849;1429906777;Pierre_Rochard;only need a swat team to raid a btc<->fiat exchange, they have a few 1109850;1429906787;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109659 << you deeply misunderstand what "market forces" are. 1109851;1429906787;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 18:54:24; assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:45:19; Adlai: the nice thing about reducing blocksize is that the N largest miners could just agree to not produce larger blocks, and that would raise tx fees through market forces 1109852;1429906821;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard only thing that'll accomplish will be exchanges with emplaced mortar batteries and landmine perimeters. 1109853;1429906833;trinque;I believe the term Adlai is looking for is cartel 1109854;1429906852;mircea_popescu;i believe the education adlai lacks is the failure of "cornering the X market" historically. 1109855;1429906867;mircea_popescu;silver being a fine example if one is superficial enough to only look at one example. 1109856;1429906904;mircea_popescu;but, very simply put : the hand of the market is the hand bitchslapping you. the market is not your mother. 1109857;1429906940;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109668 << how do you know it won't have to be lowered ? 1109858;1429906940;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 18:57:06; williamdunne: But does seem like the block-size will need to increase at some stage(s) if we're to continue growth 1109859;1429906959;mircea_popescu;on an infinite timeline everything's equally likely, for one thing. so define your timeline. once you do that, how do you know + from - ? 1109860;1429906963;mircea_popescu;"i'm sure" is no argument. 1109861;1429907032;mircea_popescu;mike_c : Num Ratings, Average Rating, Average Rating (Magnitude) can get a tooltip definition/explanation ? 1109862;1429907050;mike_c;yes 1109863;1429907074;mircea_popescu;and i derped more at you earier, dunno if you got 1109864;1429907161;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109682 << speaking of ... lactic cultures, dja know the urbanization of usians is the main force in the bidet market these days ? 1109865;1429907161;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:12; davout: Adlai: the bitlicense is to bitcoin what US raw milk regulations are to roquefort, not fucking worth the mention 1109866;1429907174;davout;iirc someone managed to build the reference implementation on OSX amirite? 1109867;1429907183;mircea_popescu;iirc it was nubs 1109868;1429907216;mod6;yeah. 1109869;1429907237;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109683 << that, tied for preminence with "cleaning out the idiots". and i don't as much mean the random derps in the forum going about their usual derpage, as i mean people like the scam foundation, and the power rangers, and so on. 1109870;1429907237;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:14; *: danielpbarron strongly suspects that the greatest impediment to growth is cleaning up the code 1109871;1429907262;davout;mircea_popescu mod6 ty 1109872;1429907263;mircea_popescu;biggest impediment to adoption, gavin, vessenes, "professional" derps and so on. 1109873;1429907271;mod6;davout: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000073.html 1109874;1429907272;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gglvi3 ) 1109875;1429907316;davout;ah, wunderbar 1109876;1429907327;davout;looking at it ty 1109877;1429907335;mod6;np :] 1109878;1429907359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4835 @ 0.00029778 = 1.4398 BTC [+] 1109879;1429907420;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109687 << ayup. 1109880;1429907420;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:59; ben_vulpes: williamdunne: the people i want using bitcoin take one look at the source and run screaming, as they should 1109881;1429907566;mircea_popescu;nobody can take it seriously with derps a la gavin, luke, hearn & co involved. 1109882;1429907637;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109697 <<< seems to me most of the people discussing swift in bitcoin have very little experience or understanding of financial networks. 1109883;1429907637;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 19:04:56; williamdunne: Where fees are the norm 1109884;1429907649;mircea_popescu;for one thing, a small fraction of swift movements are ~actual~ settlement transactions. 1109885;1429907661;mircea_popescu;if the banks had to make swift work with 500 txn/day, they would, and nobody would ever know. 1109886;1429907682;mircea_popescu;there's only ~100 of them even needing it daily, and they could just do hourly settlements among each other and be fine. 1109887;1429907730;mircea_popescu;that they don't has everything to do with the fact that swift consts nothing (and provides nothing). bitcoin costs something, and it provides something for that cost. in spades. 1109888;1429907740;mircea_popescu;so... inept comparison, at best. 1109889;1429907914;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109733 << depends. if banker goes and gets himself lost in desert, the probate court will settle claims against him. so refunds of a sort. 1109890;1429907914;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 19:15:24; funkenstein_: afaik hawala doesn't come with failsafe refunds in case somebody goes awol 1109891;1429907983;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109754 << they are, yeah. 1109892;1429907983;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 19:23:28; ben_vulpes: davout: aren't txids canonical after block inclusion? 1109893;1429909050;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform key churning started yet ? i kinda wanna peek at top while it's going 1109894;1429909151;williamdunne;20:50:53 - mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109367 << you actually getting any packet spam or is that thing history by now ? << I've not experienced any either way 1109895;1429909151;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 15:01:11; williamdunne: Eh, not too concerned about it 1109896;1429909333;mircea_popescu;Overheard over coffee: 1109897;1429909334;mircea_popescu;A. "In some ways, one could argue that our boss fills some roles of the man we are in a relationship with. He supports us financially, ensures we have a safe place to live, and has to accommodate our emotional instability in the work place. Is it really all that unfair of him to expect to enjoy some of the perks of being in a relationship with us, if he so chooses?" 1109898;1429909334;mircea_popescu;B. "I have had sex with almost every boss Ive ever had. I found myself doing things to please them that I would never do for my husband." 1109899;1429909334;mircea_popescu;C. "Ive got a habit of fucking my bosses too. Theyre in a position of power over me, and for at least part of the day theyre my owners, so they should be able to reap the benefits of that." 1109900;1429909337;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: The reddit police tried to impound this place with a Denial of Service bot, hard to tell if they will be back 1109901;1429909349;mircea_popescu;was it teh reddit police ? 1109902;1429909380;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's what the 502 guy called himself 1109903;1429909384;williamdunne;How heroic of them 1109904;1429909389;BingoBoingo;!s fivezerotwo 1109905;1429909389;assbot;202 results for 'fivezerotwo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fivezerotwo 1109906;1429909400;mircea_popescu;i thought that was a joke. 1109907;1429909604;BingoBoingo;Gotta take seriously that the idiots believe their pretenses 1109908;1429909626;BingoBoingo;They have idea after all 1109909;1429909825;BingoBoingo;Anyways, who is truly to say that reddit wouldn't hire pinkertons for $5.15 an hour 1109910;1429910075;BingoBoingo;Or a nickle a line 1109911;1429910974;chetty;http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/noticias/2015/04/150422_volcan_calbuco_erupcion_chile_ao 1109912;1429910975;assbot;Alerta roja en Chile por la sorpresiva erupción del volcán Calbuco - BBC Mundo ... ( http://bit.ly/1DId11D ) 1109913;1429911378;BingoBoingo;http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Buffalo-roaming-in-Bethlehem-6221286.php 1109914;1429911379;assbot;All buffalo shot and killed - Times Union ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAvhAD ) 1109915;1429911455;mircea_popescu;ouch 1109916;1429911863;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: key churning started yet ? i kinda wanna peek << not yet. caught something on the plane, spent most of the time since coming home, in bed, in a kind of delirium. 1109917;1429911875;mircea_popescu;;/ 1109918;1429911888;mircea_popescu;well on the plus side it prolly helps your immunity 1109919;1429911921;asciilifeform;also catching up with pet, might end up like xanthyos, l0l 1109920;1429911986;mircea_popescu;!up jonvaage 1109921;1429911994;mircea_popescu;how did he end up ? 1109922;1429912004;asciilifeform;in cock cast, iirc 1109923;1429912017;mircea_popescu;oh 1109924;1429912027;jonvaage;Thanks. How is everyone? 1109925;1429912041;mircea_popescu;not bad. 1109926;1429912060;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe next conf YOU stay home, send her over then she can do all the whores. 1109927;1429912065;asciilifeform;l0l 1109928;1429912406;jonvaage;Anyone ever play the board game Diplomacy? 1109929;1429912411;asciilifeform;me. 1109930;1429912464;mircea_popescu;the last time i played a board game i was 8, and it was "nu te supara frate". alf, did you have this ? you must've. 1109931;1429912487;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CY-aApQAnM 1109932;1429912489;assbot;Nu te supara frate...private game in birt - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIfRUp ) 1109933;1429912523;asciilifeform;pretty sure we had this. and that john nash invented it in the '50s 1109934;1429912544;asciilifeform;in usa, where it was forgotten 1109935;1429912545;jonvaage;Looks like "Sorry" 1109936;1429912556;mircea_popescu;well it's not a very good game tbh. 1109937;1429912557;asciilifeform;or was it 'hex' 1109938;1429912616;mircea_popescu;anyway, apparently it was printed as early as the 20s 1109939;1429912620;*;asciilifeform did not really play anything like this since early boyhood, was a semiserious chess-head for some years, then turned into very mediocre go/weichi/baduk (surprised how many folks are unable to identify it given only one of jp/cn/kr names) player 1109940;1429912677;mircea_popescu;i kinda play go now and again as part of foreplay. 1109941;1429912682;asciilifeform;l0l! 1109942;1429912685;asciilifeform;chess? 1109943;1429912692;mircea_popescu;nope 1109944;1429912701;asciilifeform;me: 'which chess piece feels best?' woman: 'the board' 1109945;1429912707;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1109946;1429912729;mircea_popescu;and now we understand why davout plays the cello. 1109947;1429912744;asciilifeform;aha go as foreplay - do captured stones end up 'in' ? 1109948;1429912755;mircea_popescu;has been known to occur. 1109949;1429912778;mircea_popescu;all sorts of things can end up in. like, a can's worth of peas. 1109950;1429912818;asciilifeform;l0l 1109951;1429912840;*;mircea_popescu very naively went to a go friendly tournament in timisoara once, not realising that... kids. 1109952;1429912852;mircea_popescu;they made me play with a very prepubescent 11 yo girl. 1109953;1429912856;mircea_popescu;i... had to leave. 1109954;1429912859;asciilifeform;mega-l0l 1109955;1429912875;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1109956;1429912876;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0V2NPMZ.txt ) 1109957;1429912881;asciilifeform;it is actually one of those things, like ballet, where the best minds are the one prepubertally-deformed 1109958;1429912900;mircea_popescu;yeah well, i'm not such a great fan of "competitive" humans. 1109959;1429912922;asciilifeform;the games are interesting (to an aficionado) to read. 1109960;1429912926;mircea_popescu;the prima ballerina was never the best ballerina, at least to my taste. 1109961;1429912929;asciilifeform;my brother, for instance, spends much of his waking time doing this. 1109962;1429912971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 291026 @ 0.0002985 = 86.8713 BTC [+] {2} 1109963;1429913002;*;asciilifeform now understands why mircea_popescu did not offer any of the c3 guests a game of go. 'no homo' (TM) 1109964;1429913014;mircea_popescu;i don't think i ever played with a male. 1109965;1429913033;asciilifeform;phun phakt: the top u.s. player, for many years, was a hot chick 1109966;1429913040;mircea_popescu;and rarely if at all with a woman neither in a robe nor altogether disrobed. 1109967;1429913048;mircea_popescu;o, really ? who ? 1109968;1429913056;asciilifeform;j. kim i think it was 1109969;1429913087;asciilifeform;http://senseis.xmp.net/?JaniceKim << i think this 1109970;1429913087;assbot;Janice Kim at Sensei's Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIhnWu ) 1109971;1429913100;*;Adlai would be quite curious to see the mining cartel attempt to corner down a less-than-1mb blocksize, primarily because it would be Actually Good News™ 1109972;1429913175;mircea_popescu;http://8ch.net/pol/res/1817286.html heh 1109973;1429913177;assbot;/pol/ - Dude trolls the shit out of Fetlife. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIhHVb ) 1109974;1429913319;Adlai;how does it feel to be internet famouser 1109975;1429913328;mircea_popescu;isn't 8chan the bad one ? 1109976;1429913335;BingoBoingo;lol https://8ch.net/pol/res/1817286.html#1825098 1109977;1429913336;assbot;/pol/ - Dude trolls the shit out of Fetlife. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Epidw9 ) 1109978;1429913351;cazalla;mircea_popescu, nope, 8chan is the 4chan replacement seeing moot got cucked 1109979;1429913363;BingoBoingo;8chan is where the 4chan refugees went when moot went derpitty herp herp 1109980;1429913382;*;asciilifeform eagerly awaits 4294967296chan 1109981;1429913402;mircea_popescu;i thought it's where all the privileged white maletriarchs go to be horrible and chauvinistic and encourage rape and stuff ? 1109982;1429913456;cazalla;moot cuck thing went something like this http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/53/5f/535f6e_5335133.jpg 1109983;1429913459;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpiLC5 ) 1109984;1429913459;mircea_popescu;i seem to remember reading in salami.com 1109985;1429913480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought it's where all the privileged white maletriarchs go to be horrible and chauvinistic and encourage rape and stuff ? << nah, that's at 18446744073709551616chan. 1109986;1429913636;mircea_popescu;cazalla for some stupid reason that loads nothing for me. 1109987;1429913743;*;Pierre_Rochard is regular lurker on 8chan’s pol 1109988;1429913777;mircea_popescu;anything good ? 1109989;1429913788;mircea_popescu;intel points out 8chan owner was actually in here at some point. 1109990;1429913808;cazalla;mircea_popescu, meh not really missing anything anyway 1109991;1429913951;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/#comment-113887 << as far as i can tell, the thing being proposed is virtually exactly lavabit... 1109992;1429913952;assbot;A proper social site for the BDSM community on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIjEAT ) 1109993;1429913952;Pierre_Rochard;it covers everything outside the overton window, with a good dose of humor and absurdity to boot 1109994;1429913957;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/24/us-usa-election-fec-idUSKBN0NF1V420150424 << fire sale, get 'em while they last! 1109995;1429913958;assbot; FEC decision may allow more foreign money in U.S. votes, critics say| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIjERz ) 1109996;1429914048;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty sure lavabit had a master key 1109997;1429914065;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the subpoena concerned their ssl signing key 1109998;1429914081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was precisely because they did not have anything else suitable for owning the userbase 1109999;1429914082;mircea_popescu;but the defense claimed that if they give out that key they will expose all past traffic. 1110000;1429914118;*;asciilifeform reviews the shitpile 1110001;1429914202;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#footnote_2_49734 < 1110002;1429914202;assbot;So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIkkGF ) 1110003;1429914234;mircea_popescu;"I only have the keys that govern communications into and out of the network, and those keys are used to secure the traffic for all users, not just the user in question." 1110004;1429914244;asciilifeform;well yeah, the ssl cert 1110005;1429914266;asciilifeform;they wanted to mitm the whole thing 1110006;1429914274;asciilifeform;because it was the only way to get the snowden crap out 1110007;1429914292;mircea_popescu;it's not very clear, but perhaps your reading is correct 1110008;1429914319;asciilifeform;this, incidentally, is the core reason why in-browser crypto is intrinsically harmful 1110009;1429914325;mircea_popescu;seems kinda contorted, the ssl key is used to "secure" pgp'd info ? 1110010;1429914329;asciilifeform;rather than the overall poor hygience of the ecosystem 1110011;1429914337;mircea_popescu;which is "this" ? 1110012;1429914358;asciilifeform;the ssl key was the only way for the schmucks/users to know that they are connecting to levison's box and getting the js they thought they were getting 1110013;1429914365;asciilifeform;rather than an identical but key-returning one 1110014;1429914367;mircea_popescu;umm... no ? 1110015;1429914374;mircea_popescu;schmucks can just keep a copy of yest's js and DIFF IT!!11 1110016;1429914380;mircea_popescu;what, this is not sop ? because why ? 1110017;1429914385;asciilifeform;if you know how to use 'diff' - you are not a schmuck 1110018;1429914396;asciilifeform;and don't need browser-crypto for anything 1110019;1429914401;mircea_popescu;convenience. 1110020;1429914410;asciilifeform;convenience is the mother of calamity 1110021;1429914412;asciilifeform;or how did it go. 1110022;1429914420;*;asciilifeform adjusts reactor rods 1110023;1429914423;mircea_popescu;calamity is one of the best anal sluts in the lands. 1110024;1429914462;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/calamity-jane/ 1110025;1429914463;assbot;Calamity Jane on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpmNKO ) 1110026;1429914775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu leads us to an interesting observation - that no www browser ever made any kind of provision for ensuring that you are running a particular known copy of a js proggy 1110027;1429914796;asciilifeform;though this may be for the same reason why no public toilet includes knives and forks 1110028;1429914797;mircea_popescu;actually, this is trivial to do. 1110029;1429914801;asciilifeform;of course trivial 1110030;1429914811;mircea_popescu;basically an equiv of adblocker, 1110031;1429914819;mircea_popescu;just have it use your own file for js instead of the one linked by server. 1110032;1429914820;asciilifeform;homework-grade proggy. 1110033;1429914825;asciilifeform;who wants - go, write. 1110034;1429914862;mircea_popescu;well site first. 1110035;1429914903;asciilifeform;of course, when the browser is pwned (and all modern graphical browsers are good for one or two public total-demolition pwnholes every quarter or so) the keys are out. 1110036;1429914929;asciilifeform;hygiene is a thing. 1110037;1429914934;asciilifeform;it is good for you. (to a degree) 1110038;1429914971;Pierre_Rochard;^ I’m surprised it’s not a bigger attack vector for online banking hijacks (or is it? unfamiliar with ~ cyber crime ~) 1110039;1429914977;asciilifeform;is. 1110040;1429914987;asciilifeform;and very much so. 1110041;1429915041;mircea_popescu;http://8ch.net/pol/src/1429803885757.jpg << lawl ok this /pol/ thing is pretty entertaining. 1110042;1429915079;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard places that are serious about online banking mandate use of ie 10! and they get their sexurity as activex implants! 1110043;1429915093;mircea_popescu;(this may sound like a joke. it is actually fact.) 1110044;1429915098;asciilifeform;in kr - mandatory. 1110045;1429915114;asciilifeform;and look into why - will blow your mind, guaranteed. 1110046;1429915120;mircea_popescu;exaclty. 1110047;1429915166;asciilifeform;(their local version of nsa is so impoverished that '80s-grade castrato keys must be used. the only way to achieve this is custom winblows code, rather than microshit's normal crypto api even. hence activex/exploder mandate.) 1110048;1429915199;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: here’s a joke for you - I run a WinXP 32 bit VM so that I can use 32 bit IE8 so that I can access online bank 1110049;1429915206;Pierre_Rochard;only version that’s compatible 1110050;1429915265;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard i've never used "online banking". 1110051;1429915311;Pierre_Rochard;rich man / poor man 1110052;1429915355;mircea_popescu;i do have some acct manager ppl who are technically bank clerks that i contact via pgp, which is a greast improvemnent over phone and i have nfi how they get into the systems 1110053;1429915366;mircea_popescu;but prolly the magic of "inside the firewall no security is needed" 1110054;1429915490;mircea_popescu;http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2014/09/01/i-can-destroy-your-reputation-and-career-in-two-minutes-n1885724/page/full 1110055;1429915491;assbot;I Can Destroy Your Reputation and Career in Two Minutes - Rachel Alexander - Page full ... ( http://bit.ly/1DInDgO ) 1110056;1429915500;mircea_popescu;linked for "Slimy folks like Busta Troll are hijacking Facebook pages of conservatives, replacing the content with goats and anti-conservative messages. Some believe a goat is used because it is a Satanic symbol; many of the conservatives are targeted because of their Christian or Jewish views." 1110057;1429915527;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally. because idiots that are too stupid to have been online for goatse get to reinvent an alt-universe where "satanism" 1110058;1429916378;mircea_popescu;;;later tell FelipeMicaroniLalli https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/335jn0/p2p_lending_i_just_loaned_100_peeps_bitcoin_on/ lawl 1110059;1429916381;assbot;P2P Lending: I just loaned 100 peeps bitcoin on BTCJam. Here's some of my thoughts. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yYIH7a ) 1110060;1429916381;gribble;Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input. 1110061;1429916873;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/cc683d6b70aa94f98c07d0654cf41f6c/tumblr_mwmuwlB1G61slq74qo1_1280.jpg saved for later. 1110062;1429916874;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yYK3i7 ) 1110063;1429917486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36150 @ 0.00031017 = 11.2126 BTC [+] 1110064;1429919755;mircea_popescu;!up blacktower 1110065;1429919975;blacktower;hello hello! just learning all of this, won't derp it up. glad to be a part of the community! 1110066;1429920030;mircea_popescu;mike_c also, could "Timestamp" space be about 75% larger so it doesn't force double lines ? 1110067;1429920039;mircea_popescu;!gettrust blacktower 1110068;1429920039;assbot;blacktower is not registered in WoT. 1110069;1429920044;mircea_popescu;you're not part of the community yet. 1110070;1429920074;Pierre_Rochard;blacktower: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets 1110071;1429920075;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SsCt ) 1110072;1429920097;blacktower;having trouble with nickserv right now, perf thanks for the urls. ill get that going 1110073;1429920891;cazalla;Pierre_Rochard, back on twitter or an imposter? 1110074;1429920931;Pierre_Rochard;cazalla: back on twitter, couldn’t stay off! 1110075;1429921002;mircea_popescu;lol, all teh hawt bitchez ? 1110076;1429921082;Pierre_Rochard;primal scream therapy 1110077;1429921694;mike_c;mircea_popescu: yes 1110078;1429922498;ben_vulpes;ahhh 1110079;1429922502;ben_vulpes;home sweet home sheets 1110080;1429922515;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes also rode 'spam air' ? 1110081;1429922535;ben_vulpes;how did that song go? 1110082;1429922539;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHPkLuVBQ1Y 1110083;1429922540;assbot;The Presidents of the USA - Naked and Famous - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DlKoa6 ) 1110084;1429922568;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: naw, united and alaska 1110085;1429922593;asciilifeform;lol alaska 1110086;1429922646;ben_vulpes;what's wrong with alaska? 1110087;1429922657;asciilifeform;nothing wrong, quite opposite, 1110088;1429922659;asciilifeform;'There are strange things done in the midnight sun / By the men who moil for gold; / The Arctic trails have their secret tales / That would make your blood run cold; ...' 1110089;1429922681;*;asciilifeform did not know they had airline 1110090;1429922700;ben_vulpes;oh you 1110091;1429922830;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cmmuQ8wYV0 << filmization 1110092;1429922832;assbot;The Cremation of Sam McGee. - 8 minute short 35mm film - - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DlKHkZ ) 1110093;1429923285;mircea_popescu;!rate ben_vulpes -1 said naked and famous, there's no naked and not famous. ponzi! 1110094;1429923285;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a5a4d7115cba46a6 1110095;1429923428;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quujBgm2y6I rather amusing this is pretty much par at the qntra office 1110096;1429923429;assbot;selo qntra - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkQGg4 ) 1110097;1429923476;cazalla;(the drinking, not the men) 1110098;1429923812;decimation;asciilifeform: you didn't take one of the luxurious american airlines? 1110099;1429923837;asciilifeform;nope. 1110100;1429923841;decimation;actually I've found us air carriers are the worst 1110101;1429923850;asciilifeform;not, evidently, the worst. 1110102;1429923865;decimation;in terms of cattle-class treatment 1110103;1429923946;decimation;although american airlines tend to have among the more competent pilots 1110104;1429924157;decimation;where else are you gonna find a guy with experience flying under fire in 'nam 1110105;1429925111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00031355 = 9.9709 BTC [+] {2} 1110106;1429926880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41750 @ 0.00031384 = 13.1028 BTC [+] 1110107;1429927124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55140 @ 0.00030972 = 17.078 BTC [-] 1110108;1429928893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00031486 = 17.5377 BTC [+] {2} 1110109;1429931333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.0003104 = 9.9949 BTC [-] 1110110;1429932431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00031041 = 7.3102 BTC [+] 1110111;1429933361;danielpbarron;;;later tell williamdunne is this you? http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mrwdunne/ 1110112;1429933365;assbot;mrwdunne WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnlL55 ) 1110113;1429933365;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1110114;1429933622;danielpbarron;height=334315 vs height=353419 (note that the 2nd value is now greater. I have copied data dir from a full node) 1110115;1429933651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.0003104 = 3.7714 BTC [-] 1110116;1429933755;danielpbarron;i copied the data dir from a 0.7.2 node and the foundation's pre-0.5.3.1 loaded it fine and is now adding blocks to it 1110117;1429934298;decimation;danielpbarron: do you mean the latest 0.5.3.1 build? 1110118;1429934541;danielpbarron;i compiled it using the patches that ended up becoming 0.5.3.1 1110119;1429934617;danielpbarron;and this is on a pogo 1110120;1429934749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66489 @ 0.00031199 = 20.7439 BTC [+] {3} 1110121;1429935237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.0003104 = 7.0616 BTC [-] 1110122;1429935875;scoopbot_revived;News! One good turn. URL: http://thewhet.net/2015/one-good-turn/ 1110123;1429935876;assbot;One good turn… | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBNmNL ) 1110124;1429936823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32410 @ 0.00031014 = 10.0516 BTC [-] {2} 1110125;1429937311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83450 @ 0.00030693 = 25.6133 BTC [-] {3} 1110126;1429937982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76644 @ 0.00030006 = 22.9978 BTC [-] {2} 1110127;1429938470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22095 @ 0.00029823 = 6.5894 BTC [-] 1110128;1429938531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32711 @ 0.00029724 = 9.723 BTC [-] 1110129;1429941581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00030826 = 5.3329 BTC [+] 1110130;1429942557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89350 @ 0.0002942 = 26.2868 BTC [-] {2} 1110131;1429943045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00030161 = 28.0799 BTC [+] 1110132;1429943167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22418 @ 0.00029528 = 6.6196 BTC [-] {2} 1110133;1429943228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37012 @ 0.00029171 = 10.7968 BTC [-] 1110134;1429944509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00029122 = 13.9203 BTC [-] {3} 1110135;1429947193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75100 @ 0.00030939 = 23.2352 BTC [+] {2} 1110136;1429948718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59300 @ 0.00031243 = 18.5271 BTC [+] {2} 1110137;1429949755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00031014 = 1.2095 BTC [-] 1110138;1429949938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70500 @ 0.00031269 = 22.0446 BTC [+] 1110139;1429952927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00031269 = 1.8918 BTC [+] 1110140;1429953842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81750 @ 0.00030112 = 24.6166 BTC [-] {2} 1110141;1429954209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36555 @ 0.00030071 = 10.9925 BTC [-] 1110142;1429955062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16095 @ 0.00030071 = 4.8399 BTC [-] 1110143;1429957807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00029983 = 6.6712 BTC [-] 1110144;1429964456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31642 @ 0.00030048 = 9.5078 BTC [+] {3} 1110145;1429965920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00031205 = 4.0879 BTC [+] 1110146;1429965981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94310 @ 0.00031398 = 29.6115 BTC [+] {3} 1110147;1429966469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.000315 = 3.528 BTC [+] 1110148;1429967445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8383 @ 0.000315 = 2.6406 BTC [+] 1110149;1429967446;scoopbot_revived;News! MP's very brief foray into a poetry forum URL: http://trilema.com/2015/mps-very-brief-foray-into-a-poetry-forum/ 1110150;1429967447;assbot;MP's very brief foray into a poetry forum on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bDRP6T ) 1110151;1429967506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8617 @ 0.00031503 = 2.7146 BTC [+] 1110152;1429968238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00030066 = 11.861 BTC [-] {2} 1110153;1429968848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00031528 = 7.4248 BTC [+] {2} 1110154;1429969016;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Correct, it was 1110155;1429969029;williamdunne;;;later tell danielpbarron yes, it was 1110156;1429969029;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1110157;1429969093;danielpbarron;what happened there? lost your key? 1110158;1429969228;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Still have the key, just changed my name format 1110159;1429969256;williamdunne;Its on a computer that hasn't touched the internet in a while so not worth the effort of moving it 1110160;1429969500;williamdunne;Trying to use some custom Map library that claims to be the Fastest, Greatest, Most flexible. It reduced by speed by 16 times. 1110161;1429969580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00029904 = 6.4892 BTC [-] 1110162;1429969713;danielpbarron;what came of your XCP thing? 1110163;1429969769;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Got some private investment on it, did a soft-launch, found what I did wrong, and now working on a complete overhaul which should be pretty awesome 1110164;1429969772;williamdunne;So "in progress" 1110165;1429969796;danielpbarron;you're actually still going to use it for something serious? 1110166;1429969817;danielpbarron;my asset, MEAT, is up in value from this time last year :D 1110167;1429969839;williamdunne;Oh, not XCP 1110168;1429969841;williamdunne;Just the company 1110169;1429969873;danielpbarron;oo, you going to get listed on MPEx? 1110170;1429969898;williamdunne;Can't imagine that I have enough rep to do that yet, but its something I would be open to in the future 1110171;1429969927;williamdunne;I would like to be used by MPEX for options settlement too - I believe we could offer the reliability that was missing when MP last offered them 1110172;1429970070;Naphex;williamdunne - Map library for what? 1110173;1429970115;williamdunne;Naphex: Matching engine, using one thats meant to write to disk and have an audit trail (as well as being stupidly high performance) but so far its treating me like shit 1110174;1429970122;williamdunne;Chronicle-Map 1110175;1429970174;*;asciilifeform looks up 'chronicle-map', reaches for barf bag marked 'java' 1110176;1429970212;asciilifeform;!up yang 1110177;1429970358;Naphex;williamdunne: seems like a lot of needless complexity, just use a map with random access(if you need it) and the new stream api's. should be enough performance increase. pre-alloc the memory for the map first if arraycopy is bringing the performance down. 1110178;1429970359;williamdunne;asciilifeform: You'd probably be more disgusted if you knew all of the langs I enjoy using 1110179;1429970413;Naphex;asciilifeform just has some spaz when he hears java. same thing when i hear about lisp 1110180;1429970426;asciilifeform;williamdunne: when you eat a mighty fine dinner at your favourite restaurant, you still know that the chef often takes a shit. but it matters that he does it in the shitter and not in the kitchen 1110181;1429970457;Naphex;luckaly the lisp chef will have his shit serverd and all wrapped in paranthesis :) 1110182;1429970468;asciilifeform;as if it were a contest between languages 1110183;1429970479;Naphex;luckily* 1110184;1429970496;williamdunne;Oh shit, scoop died 1110185;1429970498;williamdunne;One minute 1110186;1429970536;williamdunne;There we are, revived 1110187;1429970539;asciilifeform;the java stack per se - entirely ignoring the language (which is an instrument of torture) is a pernicious enough thing that i do not allow it on any metal under my control which matters 1110188;1429970548;asciilifeform;in fact, specifically only on boxes kept for running malware. 1110189;1429970554;asciilifeform;make of this, what you will. 1110190;1429970616;Naphex;asciilifeform: how so? 1110191;1429970626;Naphex;what makes it so pernicious? 1110192;1429970631;asciilifeform;Naphex: there is no programming language called 'lisp', and there hasn't been since 1964 or so 1110193;1429970643;asciilifeform;educated fella oughta know that. 1110194;1429970678;williamdunne;Theres a couple of different versions, no? 1110195;1429970719;williamdunne;Naphex: Its not lisp 1110196;1429970757;Naphex;Clisp 1110197;1429970861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41219 @ 0.00029869 = 12.3117 BTC [-] {2} 1110198;1429970867;Naphex;is that better ?:) 1110199;1429970953;williamdunne;Brackets everywhere 1110200;1429970965;williamdunne;Looks pretty good though 1110201;1429971089;Naphex;anyway, what else is cooking 1110202;1429971097;Naphex;13:59 <+Naphex> williamdunne: seems like a lot of needless complexity, just use a map with random access(if you need it) and the new stream api's. should be enough performance increase. pre-alloc the memory for the map first if arraycopy is bringing the performance down. 1110203;1429971115;Naphex;williamdunne: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/stream/package-summary.html 1110204;1429971117;assbot;java.util.stream (Java Platform SE 8 ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HD54QT ) 1110205;1429971183;williamdunne;Naphex: I'll have a dig. I'm currently trying to find an efficient way to send messages between some order parsers and the matching engine itself 1110206;1429971196;williamdunne;Currently on 166k orders per second 1110207;1429971310;Naphex;williamdunne: do you do your own locking or use the locking from that Map library? 1110208;1429971319;Naphex;cause you could easily beat that 1110209;1429971344;williamdunne;I was just starting to experiment with it tbh, I literally just took out my treemap and put in the chronicle map 1110210;1429971409;Naphex;williamdunne: what you should be doing is just using a regular map, and doing binary insert into it 1110211;1429971453;williamdunne;I'll have a look at doing that 1110212;1429971798;Naphex;williamdunne: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/Collections.html#binarySearch-java.util.List-T-java.util.Comparator- will make it pretty easy. 1110213;1429971800;assbot;Collections (Java Platform SE 8 ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HD7pLN ) 1110214;1429971956;williamdunne;223,000/second 1110215;1429971961;williamdunne;Until GC kicks in 1110216;1429971986;Naphex;don't trash the mem :P 1110217;1429972018;williamdunne;Doesn't particularly help that I have only 100mb of free mem currently 1110218;1429972147;williamdunne;Wait, surely TreeMap is the most ideal as it guarantees that the orders are actually.. in order? 1110219;1429972178;Naphex;williamdunne: you do that with a map and binary insert with a Price-Time Priority comparator 1110220;1429972256;williamdunne;Derp. Well now I have to work out that one. I only started looking at Java 3-4 days ago -.- 1110221;1429972280;Naphex;as long as you don't have duplicated data ( and you shouldn't) 1110222;1429972285;Naphex;the map will always be sorted 1110223;1429972427;williamdunne;Yeah, although don't have to deal with price-time in this case 1110224;1429972429;williamdunne;Just price 1110225;1429972441;williamdunne;http://cointelegraph.com/news/114071/white-male-crypto-peddler-is-fed-up-with-white-male-crypto-peddlers Urmmmmmm 1110226;1429972443;assbot;White Male Crypto-Peddler is Fed Up with White Male Crypto-Peddlers (Op-Ed) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HD9DdY ) 1110227;1429972447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52000 @ 0.00031671 = 16.4689 BTC [+] 1110228;1429972570;Naphex;williamdunne: well, you can't have dup data so you need a unique field. Price will have duplicated data :P 1110229;1429972585;Naphex;atleast get a unique id or something and use that instead of time:p 1110230;1429972638;williamdunne;Naphex: Would another solution not be to just append it to duplicate data? i.e if I have another order come in at $150 just add it to the quantity 1110231;1429972646;williamdunne;And then the order handlers work out what belongs to who 1110232;1429973362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44711 @ 0.00029778 = 13.314 BTC [-] 1110233;1429973701;Naphex;williamdunne: how will the order handlers do that? 1110234;1429973708;Naphex;williamdunne: how do you define an order? 1110235;1429973725;Naphex;you can group orders by price sure, but thats just for 'display' 1110236;1429973755;williamdunne;Naphex: Assuming the order handlers are aware of the orders that should be in the book they can work out who placed what when and who is owed what 1110237;1429973766;williamdunne;Leave the core to just push numbers around 1110238;1429973800;Naphex;williamdunne: sounds reduntant 1110239;1429973819;Naphex;an order should have a timestamp, side, quantity, and price if it has a limit 1110240;1429973845;williamdunne;Naphex: Currently they just have side quantity and price 1110241;1429973851;williamdunne;With the price being used as the key 1110242;1429974275;Naphex;williamdunne: how will the order handler know who to serve and which order to execute? 1110243;1429974343;williamdunne;The way I was planning it was that the core is just a simple limit/market job, and then the handlers do all of the things like checking balances before passing anything to the book itself 1110244;1429974521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20789 @ 0.00029429 = 6.118 BTC [-] 1110245;1429974814;BingoBoingo;http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/04/25/112224/tesla-to-announce-battery-based-energy-storage-for-homes << lol "three-feet high by 2.5-feet wide, and need to be installed at least a foot and a half off the ground" 1110246;1429974816;assbot;Tesla To Announce Battery-Based Energy Storage For Homes - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gunjtg ) 1110247;1429974873;williamdunne;Seems like it could be good if you're already stuck with some solar panels 1110248;1429975070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26779 @ 0.00030133 = 8.0693 BTC [+] {2} 1110249;1429975171;BingoBoingo;Lithium Ion is horribru for this purpose 1110250;1429975185;BingoBoingo;NiFe FTW 1110251;1429975440;danielpbarron;They can be controlled with a Web app and a smartphone app. << what could go wrong? 1110252;1429977266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48911 @ 0.00029449 = 14.4038 BTC [-] {2} 1110253;1429980378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58995 @ 0.00031033 = 18.3079 BTC [+] {2} 1110254;1429984203;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: http://martinfowler.com/articles/lmax.html 1110255;1429984205;assbot;The LMAX Architecture ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuQw7a ) 1110256;1429984223;mircea_popescu;how goes the cool aid ? 1110257;1429984233;ben_vulpes;also, does http://www.cascadianhacker.com/index.xml work for the new scoopbot? 1110258;1429984334;williamdunne;Yeah the LMAX architecture is awesome. Matt introduced me to Java through it 1110259;1429984351;williamdunne;Gave me a new respect for computer science 1110260;1429984357;williamdunne;I'll check it for you 1110261;1429984368;williamdunne;Server not found 1110262;1429984368;williamdunne;Firefox can't find the server at www.cascadianhacker.com. 1110263;1429984383;ben_vulpes;looool wtf 1110264;1429984397;ben_vulpes;oh yeah, without the dubbas 1110265;1429984403;williamdunne;Your www doesn't point anywhere 1110266;1429984414;ben_vulpes;this was a conscious decision at one point 1110267;1429984417;ben_vulpes;hand curated internets 1110268;1429984420;williamdunne;index.xml should work 1110269;1429984422;ben_vulpes;it's like a cabinet 1110270;1429984434;williamdunne;Yeah, I do similar on my sites but I 303 www to no wwww 1110271;1429984440;williamdunne;*302 1110272;1429984467;mircea_popescu;http://www.trilema.com/ 1110273;1429984468;assbot;Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PB45DG ) 1110274;1429984476;mircea_popescu;myeah. 302 ftw. 1110275;1429984528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00029823 = 6.3225 BTC [-] 1110276;1429984583;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Your xml doesn't agree with scoop 1110277;1429984587;williamdunne;I'll have a dig into why 1110278;1429984624;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Okay 1110279;1429984628;mircea_popescu;http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=4271 << other people playing with their pogos. 1110280;1429984629;assbot;Arch Linux ARM • View topic - Need help setting up audio ... ( http://bit.ly/1PB4w0J ) 1110281;1429984630;williamdunne;Needs to be rapped into a 1110282;1429984637;williamdunne;*wrapped 1110283;1429984668;williamdunne; 1110284;1429984668;williamdunne; 1110285;1429984668;williamdunne; 1110286;1429984792;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: So what are these Pogos? I had a look for them but I found some cloud backup company who didn't even advertise a pogo plug as far as I could see 1110287;1429984803;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1110288;1429984806;mircea_popescu;!s pogo 1110289;1429984807;assbot;388 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo 1110290;1429984818;mircea_popescu;see the earliest references 1110291;1429984980;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: try as atom 1110292;1429984982;ben_vulpes;http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=cascadianhacker.com%2Findex.xml 1110293;1429984983;assbot;Feed Validator Results: http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml ... ( http://bit.ly/1PB5A4G ) 1110294;1429985054;williamdunne;Current code doesn't support Atom but I can modify it. 1110295;1429985075;ben_vulpes;thanks :) 1110296;1429985145;mircea_popescu;speaking of varnish, i actually got some numbers. 1110297;1429985147;mircea_popescu;YearUniques VisitsPagesHitsBandwidth 1110298;1429985148;mircea_popescu;20144,090,07393,73,82620,807,06857,005,4141.90 TB 1110299;1429985148;mircea_popescu;20152,190,29753,48,43010,599,15213,781,404599.82 GB 1110300;1429985223;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Care to publish a test article? 1110301;1429985251;ben_vulpes;i'm actually writing one now 1110302;1429985562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77900 @ 0.0002904 = 22.6222 BTC [-] {3} 1110303;1429985702;mircea_popescu;blergh lost conn. 1110304;1429985768;mircea_popescu;so re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110296 << the difference in numbers is due to the fact varnish ran on teh system since nov 2014. totally murdered hits and bw. 1110305;1429985768;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 18:05:45; mircea_popescu: speaking of varnish, i actually got some numbers. 1110306;1429985788;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110181 << haha 1110307;1429985788;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 14:00:57; Naphex: luckaly the lisp chef will have his shit serverd and all wrapped in paranthesis :) 1110308;1429985980;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/stop-all-the-clocks.ogg (no pingbacks i take it ? ) 1110309;1429985981;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PB8DKc ) 1110310;1429985981;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1110311;1429986112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00029811 = 4.725 BTC [+] {2} 1110312;1429986177;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110187 << you know how the literary criticism goes, "don't tell, show". you've not really shown. 1110313;1429986177;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 14:02:19; asciilifeform: the java stack per se - entirely ignoring the language (which is an instrument of torture) is a pernicious enough thing that i do not allow it on any metal under my control which matters 1110314;1429986420;mircea_popescu;cazalla dude the http://qntra.net/archives/ page kicks ass. 1110315;1429986421;assbot;Archives | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuX0Dg ) 1110316;1429986468;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Still working to get Atom support working, wasn't working with the small change 1110317;1429986475;williamdunne;Having to refactor half the bloody code 1110318;1429986508;mircea_popescu;"battery-based energy storage for residential and commercial customers. The batteries power up overnight when energy companies typically charge less for electricity, then are used during the day to power a home." << theres just no way this is cost effective. 1110319;1429986527;mircea_popescu;the price differential won't likely even cover cost of insurance for that bomb, let alone its capital amortisation 1110320;1429986566;mircea_popescu;not to even consider the fact that once this commodifies, the night discount goes away 1110321;1429986904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91987 @ 0.00029069 = 26.7397 BTC [-] {3} 1110322;1429987046;mod6;So, before I go off in another direction, I guess I should ask if anyone knows how to get a gentoo stage3 running on an AWS instance. Previously, when testing v0.5.3.1-RELEASE on an AWS instance I used a pre-build/configured AMI that are available; which leads me to believe why I probably got some slightly different results from others who had used a roll-your-own gentoo with stage3. 1110323;1429987085;mod6;Is it at all possibru to set up the instance with a Gentoo AMI, and then use it as a shim to somehow re-load with a clean stage3? 1110324;1429987091;Naphex;mod6: i roll my own gentoo's. what's the problem with amazon? 1110325;1429987119;Naphex;mod6: why not just kill most of the stuff running on the AMI and do a chroot and set that up 1110326;1429987131;Naphex;mod6: unpack a stage3 and chroot it. set it up 1110327;1429987165;mod6;I'm probably just dumb. How can I setup an instance with a clean stage3. All I see that are available are AMI's. And I'm worried that they've got things/tools pre-installed that I don't want to have in there. This instance will be a build/testing server for R.I. development. 1110328;1429987195;Naphex;mod6: i never used AWS. But i doubt you could switch the kernel. but the chroot should solve your issues 1110329;1429987197;mod6;ok, so setup a chroot environment, and run everything in the chroot? 1110330;1429987201;mircea_popescu;basically he's proposing you replace teh chroot 1110331;1429987230;Naphex;aye 1110332;1429987240;mod6;Thanks for the tip. 1110333;1429987243;Naphex;get the latest stage, unpack it and chroot it 1110334;1429987246;mircea_popescu;mod6 anyway, oince you get this working make sure to describe what you did IN GREAT DETAIL 1110335;1429987250;Naphex;make sure you kill the other running stuff before 1110336;1429987261;mod6;mircea_popescu: ok, will do. 1110337;1429987281;trinque;deedbot's ec2 gentoo 1110338;1429987299;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah, but theior pre-rolled thing ? 1110339;1429987320;mod6;this is good news, because I still want to attach the 350gb drive that I used for chain storage (i've got at least 6+ fully syncd) to the instance. 1110340;1429987361;Naphex;mod6: 1) kill already started services, especially any syslog running. 2) mount sysfs, procfs, and /dev (binded) 3) chroot it :P 1110341;1429987373;mircea_popescu;mod6 Naphex prolly has a point in that if you actually switch out the kernel on an aws... well they basically lost it. how's their hypervisors etc to work 1110342;1429987431;Naphex;mod6: if you need the other syslogs like wtmp,btmp,lastlog you'll probably have to hardlink them in log. But that should be it 1110343;1429987448;mod6;ok thanks, good to know. 1110344;1429987450;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: musk's got a good handle on the battery safety thing. d'you recall the trumpeting over how his cell design nukes cascading failures when the Boeing batteries caught on fire midair? 1110345;1429987470;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Okay, ScoopBot now supports Cascadian 1110346;1429987479;ben_vulpes;thanks williamdunne! 1110347;1429987480;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is not how insurance works. insurance is an actuarial business 1110348;1429987483;mircea_popescu;and he has no history. 1110349;1429987489;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: v.welcome 1110350;1429987498;trinque;http://www.blackswanent.com/gentoo/building-a-gentoo-ami 1110351;1429987499;assbot;Building a Gentoo AMI | BlackSwan ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBd4EJ ) 1110352;1429987506;trinque;^ should work 1110353;1429987551;Naphex;trinque: does amazon load the kernel or just skips it? 1110354;1429987557;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: he's also self-insuring his solar panels. 1110355;1429987565;mircea_popescu;kinda has to yea 1110356;1429987570;ben_vulpes;well, not just the panels but the roofes on which they're installed. 1110357;1429987588;mircea_popescu;yup 1110358;1429987597;ben_vulpes;and he's deeply bezzlefied, so he can probably convince tptb to let him self insure the bombs too! 1110359;1429987601;ben_vulpes;rooves* 1110360;1429987603;ben_vulpes;wat 1110361;1429987605;ben_vulpes;roofs 1110362;1429987606;mod6;thanks trinque 1110363;1429987607;ben_vulpes;there we go. 1110364;1429987609;trinque;Naphex: instructions there use your own kernel 1110365;1429987615;mircea_popescu;the guy is taking massive levels of risk. one of teh few contemporary capitalists actually earning hteir keep. 1110366;1429987630;ben_vulpes;indeed. 1110367;1429987666;mircea_popescu;and diversified enough that the arabs can-t quite outright kill him. (tho they're trying). i tell you this is a fun thing toi watch, for me. 1110368;1429987671;Naphex;trinque: i guess, as i see they use xen. imho letting xen guests define the kernel is a sure way of suffering when they manage to break out of the hypervisor :P 1110369;1429987685;trinque;yeah ec2 is xen 1110370;1429987694;mircea_popescu;Naphex i sometimes wonder how many boxes did amazon lose to date 1110371;1429987702;mircea_popescu;and of thoise, how many they ever found out about. 1110372;1429987713;trinque;mircea_popescu: it's a feature for their biggest customer 1110373;1429987731;mircea_popescu;right. 1110374;1429987747;Naphex;mircea_popescu: well if they do the breakout they'll surely rootkit the hypervisor kernel as well. so doubt they'll ever find out :P 1110375;1429987759;Naphex;mircea_popescu: all there is left to do now is grep for secrets :P 1110376;1429987777;mircea_popescu;lol 1110377;1429987790;Naphex;why lose that capability. hide it and use it for fun 1110378;1429987794;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1110379;1429987818;mircea_popescu;williamdunne so in the light of a new day, does the bsdm social media thing actualy look worth doing to you ? 1110380;1429987846;trinque;if nobody's done it in a couple years, I'd love to take on a hosting biz on other shores 1110381;1429987849;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Its definitely an interesting job, and if its a paying job I have the time. So yes 1110382;1429987872;mircea_popescu;how much would it be paying and what do you intend to actually do ? 1110383;1429987925;williamdunne;I guess that depends on how we wanted to do it and the full scope - could be a big or small job. What would be the end goal? Listing on MPEX and running it continuously or building the site and palming it off to someone else 1110384;1429987941;mircea_popescu;there's no one else. 1110385;1429987961;williamdunne;I can do everything, if we want it to be pretty I can organize an actual designer too 1110386;1429987968;mircea_popescu;sadly, for all the derpage re "bitcoin finance bla bla" 1110387;1429987977;mircea_popescu;everything's not a something tho. 1110388;1429987980;williamdunne;Okay, so MPEX route or just as a small private product 1110389;1429987997;ben_vulpes;man, there *is* no bitcoin finance. 1110390;1429988022;mircea_popescu;it could be listed, sure. 1110391;1429988026;ben_vulpes;(at least this year...) 1110392;1429988096;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I'll draw up a full spec and be sure that I can do it (in terms of time) and show that to you. Good starting point? 1110393;1429988096;scoopbot_revived;News! Well welcomed, the warrior URL: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/25_well-welcomed-the-warrior.html 1110394;1429988097;assbot;Well welcomed, the warrior ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBeJKs ) 1110395;1429988122;mircea_popescu;works. 1110396;1429988141;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes shut up hater! there'sd even a bitcoin literature! 1110397;1429988160;ben_vulpes;woo 1110398;1429988165;ben_vulpes;lol 1110399;1429988170;ben_vulpes;there's a bitcoin literature 1110400;1429988173;ben_vulpes;there's a bitcoin stock 1110401;1429988183;mircea_popescu;there's even a bitcoin girl. 1110402;1429988188;williamdunne;there's bitcoin derivatives 1110403;1429988202;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: any actual volume on 'em? 1110404;1429988205;williamdunne;But.. but.. the blogger said there are no bitcoin girls 1110405;1429988216;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Define "actual" 1110406;1429988219;trinque;ben_vulpes: can confirm my routine looks like "while (true) { if (awake) { type(); } else { dream_of_typing(); }}" 1110407;1429988244;mircea_popescu;Bitcoin girl, you're outa sight, you need a bitcoin boy, to treat you right. 1110408;1429988244;mircea_popescu;He'll do a little dance, take you home tonight. Leave his wallet alone, but you can kiss his node... 1110409;1429988258;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: like a) how would we know if volume is what they say it is (who the fuck is operating them anyways), and b) is it oom comparable to mpoe? 1110410;1429988295;williamdunne;Well if you believe the numbers, the volume is pretty huge. I believe it probably is still pretty big but wouldn't trust a bitcent on them (unlike MPOE of course) 1110411;1429988299;ben_vulpes;trinque: burning too hot, buddhi 1110412;1429988309;trinque;rocket or sepukku 1110413;1429988309;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: well, link? 1110414;1429988327;ben_vulpes;trinque: best rockets are self-cooling 1110415;1429988366;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: moreover, if you'd not trust a bitcent on them, they're not really 'actual'. finance runs on trust. no trust, not finance. 1110416;1429988392;williamdunne;https://www.bitmex.com/app 1110417;1429988393;assbot;BitMEX - Bitcoin Mercantile Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBfun2 ) 1110418;1429988393;williamdunne;https://orderbook.net/trade 1110419;1429988394;assbot;OrderBook.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBfun4 ) 1110420;1429988394;williamdunne;https://www.okcoin.com/future/market.do?symbol=0 1110421;1429988396;assbot;行情图表 -OKCoin美元交易站 - 最专业的比特币美元交易平台 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBfuDs ) 1110422;1429988408;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Whom I choose to trust, and who others choose to trust are very different things, in fairness 1110423;1429988505;trinque;ben_vulpes: "that which does not kill you" 1110424;1429988513;trinque;but yeah, I don't expect to live this way forever 1110425;1429988520;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: i'd ask if you've put any money down on 'em, but i think i already know the answer to that 1110426;1429988535;williamdunne;Aha yeah, not touching them. 1110427;1429988543;williamdunne;I trust a few of the spot markets though 1110428;1429988550;ben_vulpes;cumSize << lol 1110429;1429988551;williamdunne;Although I intend to dominate them 1110430;1429988558;williamdunne;But who doesn't 1110431;1429988654;ben_vulpes;bitmex is offering their own margin 1110432;1429988656;ben_vulpes;neat 1110433;1429988658;ben_vulpes;glhf 1110434;1429988670;ben_vulpes;lol and there's a guy going by goat in the trollbox 1110435;1429988677;*;ben_vulpes nopes out 1110436;1429988760;williamdunne;Yeah, it'd be nice to see some service offered by people worth trusting 1110437;1429988870;trinque;the market needs more bitcoin businesses worth a shit 1110438;1429988960;williamdunne;Pretty much. What do you think of ItBit trying to become a bank? To me it looks like they failed to create an exchange people want to use and now they're trying to diversify 1110439;1429989034;mircea_popescu;to me it looks like "dreams may be anything you wish" 1110440;1429989161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31452 @ 0.00029823 = 9.3799 BTC [+] {2} 1110441;1429989316;williamdunne;They may have managed some VC fool to give them $60m so they can get their license 1110442;1429989345;mircea_popescu;i think only outsiders actually have to pay for that. 1110443;1429989398;scoopbot_revived;News! If I- URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/25/if-i/ 1110444;1429989399;assbot;If I– | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBiwaX ) 1110445;1429989443;williamdunne;Thats supposedly the cost of running a bank pre-launch of your product 1110446;1429989507;menahem;hey mircea, do you have an article in relation to your quotation "dreams may be anything you wish" ? 1110447;1429989528;mircea_popescu;uh. well... there's that video... what was it 1110448;1429989547;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSjLiQxEZlM 1110449;1429989548;assbot;You can do Anything! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBiVtS ) 1110450;1429989588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.0003044 = 7.9753 BTC [+] {2} 1110451;1429989788;ben_vulpes;!rate jurov 3 several collaborations, never a hitch. 1110452;1429989789;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/77bf0d276b798ec1 1110453;1429989811;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: new york trust company not quite a bank, much lower cost 1110454;1429989818;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.jurov.3:57329d33c4fc57e0aac47da8b31e04d3f729abd0f5af3606aad543713a3f1e76 1110455;1429989818;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 4 to 3 with note: several collaborations, never a hitch. 1110456;1429989836;ben_vulpes;!r xmj 1 wordprexen, django, sysadminnery. 1110457;1429989851;ben_vulpes;!rate xmj 1 wordprexen, django, sysadminnery. 1110458;1429989851;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/023a2a2da1d996f1 1110459;1429989865;Pierre_Rochard;it may allow them to avoid all the money transmitter nonsense 1110460;1429989873;menahem;lol, glad I asked. always a deeper layer to what you say. ;) 1110461;1429989900;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.xmj.1:933aeac159af0249f00d4834cb27124d38e3e15066da9934a8c85507fe45ba23 1110462;1429989900;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for xmj from 3 to 1 with note: wordprexen, django, sysadminnery. 1110463;1429989913;ben_vulpes;!rate mircea_popescu 4 throws a hell of a party. 1110464;1429989913;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3c4c49199f42a4a2 1110465;1429989956;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.mircea_popescu.4:4430379a4deb2448d272a058f445c0cc787a4d884020bbd276a4591a3c93c58b 1110466;1429989956;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 3 to 4 with note: throws a hell of a party. 1110467;1429989958;ben_vulpes; 1110468;1429989970;ben_vulpes;!rate ssataneth 2 trade. 1110469;1429989970;assbot;ssataneth is not registered in WoT. 1110470;1429989972;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: "i tried and therefore no-one can criticize me" 10/10. 1110471;1429989975;williamdunne;I lold 1110472;1429989984;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: Ah I take it back then 1110473;1429989988;ben_vulpes;!rate ssateneth 2 trade. 1110474;1429989988;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8d3203273edc9c3e 1110475;1429990015;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.ssateneth.2:b996c934d87c4faa5b123390f7514bc646e6960ff27eabce91f7b18292956cc9 1110476;1429990015;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for ssateneth from 3 to 2 with note: trade. 1110477;1429990017;ben_vulpes; 1110478;1429990037;ben_vulpes;!rate kakobrekla 4 steward of la serenissima. 1110479;1429990037;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ee2b6470a77a80a8 1110480;1429990140;mircea_popescu;in any case the actual costs to running a bank aren't in getting the certificate. you gotta have the damned bank. 1110481;1429990152;mircea_popescu;not as easy as it seems. 1110482;1429990192;menahem;what would be some of the major challenges ? 1110483;1429990199;williamdunne;menahem: Compliance x10 1110484;1429990223;mircea_popescu;not even. you gotta have people who can actually bank. 1110485;1429990235;mircea_popescu;you know, think in the more accessible terms of a hospital. 1110486;1429990241;mircea_popescu;yes, you need to get some paperwork and permits 1110487;1429990250;mircea_popescu;and yes you need to get lawyers that'll protect you from being sued. 1110488;1429990261;mircea_popescu;well... it's not a hospital yet, is it ? at some point you actually need some people who can cure people. 1110489;1429990307;mircea_popescu;look at the sad sad story of medici bank. 1110490;1429990326;mircea_popescu;created in the 1400s, ran out of bankers in the 2000s, and swiftly out of history. 1110491;1429990343;mircea_popescu;INVENTED the fucking double entry ledger, these people. 1110492;1429990477;scoopbot_revived;News! The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VI URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-vi/ 1110493;1429990478;assbot;The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VI on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0Lvk0 ) 1110494;1429990542;williamdunne;How many volumes are there going to be? 1110495;1429990575;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Surely a lot of the costs can be massively reduced now? Wasn't exactly much automation in the 15th century 1110496;1429990597;mircea_popescu;those aren't the costs. 1110497;1429990607;mircea_popescu;the more you cut the clerical costs, the more the actual job of banking gets expensive. 1110498;1429990617;mircea_popescu;and i'd expect about 40 or so. 1110499;1429990678;mircea_popescu;turns out i kinda like ben_vulpes blog. 1110500;1429990702;williamdunne;Have you already scraped the info or..? 1110501;1429990738;mircea_popescu;nah, doing it as i go along 1110502;1429990748;williamdunne;Oh dear lord 1110503;1429990753;williamdunne;They haven't patched it yet? 1110504;1429990753;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1110505;1429990755;williamdunne;What the fuck 1110506;1429990764;mircea_popescu;was funny too, the derps were like "HE DOESN:T HAS TEH SKILLSss!11!1" 1110507;1429990769;mircea_popescu;yeah totally. 1110508;1429990809;williamdunne;What skills? You literally told them how to do it.. 1110509;1429990817;mircea_popescu;dude, don't ask me. 1110510;1429990830;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-bitlove-llc-spin-on-their-recent-implosion-as-presented-to-their-captive-audience/ << there, actuallky discussed 1110511;1429990831;assbot;The Bitlove LLC spin on their recent implosion, as presented to their captive audience. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBmy2M ) 1110512;1429991021;mircea_popescu;williamdunne but they have been dutifully banning their users (for saying anything but "this guy is horribru" and "what a violation!"). from what i hear the bancount's climbing well past 100 by now 1110513;1429991028;mircea_popescu;surely this is going to do something. 1110514;1429991072;williamdunne;Sent them an offer to fix it for 10 BTC 1110515;1429991074;williamdunne;Lol 1110516;1429991105;mircea_popescu;dude, that entire thing was made for 10 btc 1110517;1429991141;williamdunne;I especially like the fact that their "solution" seems to be 422'ing anyone who is referred by trilema 1110518;1429991188;mircea_popescu;yeah. works too, for the sort of muppets who pass along referrers 1110519;1429991190;mircea_popescu;and never reload pages. 1110520;1429991198;mircea_popescu;"is the hallmark of fiat psyops hell-bent on undermining their control of the monetary base. " << ben_vulpes come again ? 1110521;1429991205;williamdunne;Max Keiser has started a new 'Crypto Fund' and somehow it has managed to $-2000 overnight 1110522;1429991218;williamdunne;*raise $-2000 overnight 1110523;1429991230;mircea_popescu;that muppet... i have no idea how he and his gf/announcer aren't in jail over the auroracoin scam 1110524;1429991249;mircea_popescu;but i guess preet bharara is busy making his cell arrangements 1110525;1429991295;williamdunne;Max Coin/Start Coin/Quark 1110526;1429991314;mircea_popescu;myeah 1110527;1429991320;williamdunne;I feel bad, because the person he's doing the 'fund' with is actually a decent guy. Been dragged in with his shit 1110528;1429991329;mircea_popescu;tell the guy he is an imbecile. 1110529;1429991330;williamdunne;1/3 of the fund will be trading altcoins.. lol 1110530;1429991336;mircea_popescu;i don't feel bad for this sort of "decent guy". 1110531;1429991340;mircea_popescu;he is the scum of the earth. 1110532;1429991348;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ty, i'll have words with the copyeditor 1110533;1429991351;mircea_popescu;worse, much much worse than any deliberate scammer. the naive is the absolute shit of the world. 1110534;1429991364;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.kakobrekla.4:29b873003beb1f212de3c8e9e6efbec2208c75c4ec5c5a5b558f4ad1d931a7b9 1110535;1429991364;assbot;Invalid verfication string. 1110536;1429991366;ben_vulpes; 1110537;1429991372;williamdunne;Thats a pretty broad category 1110538;1429991377;ben_vulpes;!rate kakobrekla 4 steward of la srenissima. 1110539;1429991377;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/743140e1c2a3b4c9 1110540;1429991384;mircea_popescu;i don't blame the fire for the fire. 1110541;1429991387;mircea_popescu;i blame the dry wood. 1110542;1429991396;mircea_popescu;dry wood is to be cut off and taken away. far, far away. in chains. 1110543;1429991407;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.kakobrekla.4:8d675ddc8f1c215a54e7a752b2e5bcb8ef714d53252b17926eaa7ca6c9de5a3b 1110544;1429991407;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 3 to 4 with note: steward of la srenissima. 1110545;1429991410;williamdunne;No room for intent? 1110546;1429991418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31544 @ 0.00030493 = 9.6187 BTC [+] 1110547;1429991420;mircea_popescu;yes, plenty of room. 1110548;1429991427;mircea_popescu;people who do wrong unintentionally are to be punished. 1110549;1429991437;williamdunne;And those who do wrong intentionally? 1110550;1429991442;ben_vulpes;! rate mike_c 3 kindred derper in fiat. 1110551;1429991446;mircea_popescu;people who do it intentionally, after we're done with the clueless set. 1110552;1429991450;ben_vulpes;!rate mike_c 3 kindred derper in fiat. 1110553;1429991450;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/82c8676d5bdf3a83 1110554;1429991473;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.mike_c.3:a39f5723975f6239012276bce139acd24cdf5da37e75deba10545b1003c7face 1110555;1429991474;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mike_c from 2 to 3 with note: kindred derper in fiat. 1110556;1429991484;ben_vulpes;! rate princessnell 1 coulda been a contender. 1110557;1429991493;ben_vulpes;!rate princessnell 1 coulda been a contender. 1110558;1429991493;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0bc12b32efc013f6 1110559;1429991502;williamdunne;I've already been blocked from Max Keisers twitter, seems like I should be proud of it - I don't even remember sending a tweet to him 1110560;1429991503;mircea_popescu;yea whatever happened to her 1110561;1429991519;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.princessnell.1:ac067a68fa38b40733dfc1ef7abc81ce3ea936d5b0f6c18156e16f2a28119ee6 1110562;1429991519;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for princessnell from 2 to 1 with note: coulda been a contender. 1110563;1429991529;ben_vulpes;got sucked back into academia. 1110564;1429991540;ben_vulpes;derps with derps alike. 1110565;1429991552;ben_vulpes;!rate phf 1 lisper. 1110566;1429991552;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1802996aea227510 1110567;1429991571;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.phf.1:fb393218870b21a4a538f2373afcb710a6c76d81e2dd4c73fe2df98ada1a357c 1110568;1429991571;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for phf from 2 to 1 with note: lisper. 1110569;1429991593;ben_vulpes;!rate asciilifeform 4 inventor, dreamer, builder, axe-man. 1110570;1429991593;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/67783a843cee8f7f 1110571;1429991618;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.asciilifeform.4:e03acfdc57029b6f7dabccc6af536737c2811b66f4a68e15ef2ffc589b94d72c 1110572;1429991618;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 2 to 4 with note: inventor, dreamer, builder, axe-man. 1110573;1429991632;ben_vulpes;!rate moiety 1 rip 1110574;1429991632;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/261ebc091761b7c0 1110575;1429991653;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.moiety.1:6a9e687df673d07fadd743f854a42c8afc189598fb7912745abd2636d041a98a 1110576;1429991653;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for moiety from 2 to 1 with note: rip 1110577;1429991661;ben_vulpes;!unrate brendafdez 1110578;1429991662;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/95d23bcdf7fcfbbe 1110579;1429991683;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.brendafdez:9f0adfbf033abc63d678e93287e52fee75e6f2b82cfb1e07ff2c5acb223c73b9 1110580;1429991683;assbot;Successfully unrated brendafdez 1110581;1429991704;ben_vulpes;ah christ will it never end 1110582;1429991726;ben_vulpes;!rate pinkposixpxe 1 lent a hand with some bash. 1110583;1429991726;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6f9ee5aba38a569a 1110584;1429991746;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.pinkposixpxe.1:f400fb6bdf67f7973cae3630895bba2bc99a7f3ccbf8b150aa1564505eb9d1b7 1110585;1429991746;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for pinkposixpxe from 1 to 1 with note: lent a hand with some bash. 1110586;1429991757;ben_vulpes;!unrate xanthyos 1110587;1429991757;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3cc0739ad93367e1 1110588;1429991758;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "and the Bitcoin ramp to 1200 proved to be an artifact of a fractional-reserve exchange, for just two examples." << this doesn't make sense, because the exchange was fractional in btc not in fiat. 1110589;1429991780;*;ben_vulpes is not operating in threaded mode today 1110590;1429991786;mircea_popescu;really, the impact of mtgox on anything to do with bitcoin, its "price" y compris, is broadly overstated. 1110591;1429991806;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.xanthyos:063771f705eb0f8c74a35a3ed06912c88db82549b6ad1aeedac4b1d224b64d6a 1110592;1429991806;assbot;Successfully unrated xanthyos 1110593;1429991817;ben_vulpes;!unrate hodlr 1110594;1429991817;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/502a6bf941da9ec1 1110595;1429991819;williamdunne;Much like the overstatement of China's impact in the present day 1110596;1429991838;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.hodlr:45fe0b89d2b81cd1e9ef17977e7b9c27a1297f572d4ed8ed5500f9384cd11163 1110597;1429991839;assbot;Successfully unrated hodlr 1110598;1429991845;ben_vulpes;!unrate rainman28 1110599;1429991845;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/bf6c898c08c2952a 1110600;1429991848;mircea_popescu;depends present day of what. but yes, financially, it's more of a promise-to-impact, since the shanghai thing 1110601;1429991867;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.rainman28:fb26fe46f1000f0fb04de29ceeee404f2769ffc32b41f35d3995f0431924305e 1110602;1429991867;assbot;Successfully unrated rainman28 1110603;1429991882;ben_vulpes;!rate mthreat 2 shared a cab with this pleasant chap one time. 1110604;1429991882;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5dee4da0ccb1ec1f 1110605;1429991903;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.mthreat.2:e66c706e882d87e12793c048fd02435a335f4ea29f5ac893806eafe42c80be93 1110606;1429991903;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mthreat from 1 to 2 with note: shared a cab with this pleasant chap one time. 1110607;1429991911;ben_vulpes;!unrate mats_cd03 1110608;1429991911;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/84eb3e72be7ee2a3 1110609;1429991936;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.mats_cd03:694d8202dde00120747c28cdc08fa3217fdf0c55bd331a07dc9ad8cae66011a6 1110610;1429991936;assbot;Successfully unrated mats_cd03 1110611;1429991952;ben_vulpes;!rate mats 1 skeptic, sapper. 1110612;1429991952;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e66ee0294b7f9e10 1110613;1429991972;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.mats.1:5a41ff385c95c2cb42f4fb651b5945cbd0f218cf383a79b0d379bf915ff8d763 1110614;1429991972;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mats from 1 to 1 with note: skeptic, sapper. 1110615;1429992006;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is definitely a seminal piece. 1110616;1429992018;mircea_popescu;"all of the democrati tools" < +c 1110617;1429992024;ben_vulpes;!rate hanbot 2 saw this legendary valkyrie in battle mode one time. 1110618;1429992024;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a1622e69bf372c63 1110619;1429992051;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.hanbot.2:13c1fddf38e98958768f1e956448e6bc27e85e58e3320ef7efcf8c584d43ce68 1110620;1429992051;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for hanbot from 1 to 2 with note: saw this legendary valkyrie in battle mode one time. 1110621;1429992061;ben_vulpes;!unrate josh_rossi 1110622;1429992061;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d3f847bc03bfece9 1110623;1429992080;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.josh_rossi:ba64844f870c914d60ce6482f2a844d69719676ccbd97077a0d3bd9270733b07 1110624;1429992080;assbot;Successfully unrated josh_rossi 1110625;1429992090;ben_vulpes;!rate mod6 foundation co-chair. 1110626;1429992090;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. 1110627;1429992098;ben_vulpes;!rate mod6 4 foundation co-chair. 1110628;1429992098;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b70049eea191906d 1110629;1429992120;williamdunne;Does the rating have to be an integer? 1110630;1429992129;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: try it and see! 1110631;1429992133;williamdunne;!rate assbot 1.1 test 1110632;1429992133;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. 1110633;1429992133;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.mod6.4:137b83f998c89a7d7dcb1996a7d74390b3bff1f046f68382de16ea804db07274 1110634;1429992133;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mod6 from 2 to 4 with note: foundation co-chair. 1110635;1429992135;ben_vulpes; 1110636;1429992164;ben_vulpes;!rate davout 3 you wouldn't believe how this man makes the girlies eyes twinkle. 1110637;1429992165;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e3540c4cdc3c1df2 1110638;1429992196;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.davout.3:9ae5a5d63d4ee8a9954c91adf9e9f6e98def6da82fcacb235151890e35d96d98 1110639;1429992196;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for davout from 2 to 3 with note: you wouldn't believe how this man makes the girlies eyes twinkle. 1110640;1429992210;ben_vulpes;!rate davout -4 unrepentant rubbyist 1110641;1429992210;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6f1dfef95e13969d 1110642;1429992222;williamdunne;lol 1110643;1429992225;ben_vulpes;!rate assbot 10 1110644;1429992225;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1245f32714517440 1110645;1429992246;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.assbot.10:20c9ead67ad3968ad9f9617e9359eb428b89d50bdeb9a5a0a6a3aeb848f0d9eb 1110646;1429992246;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 10 for assbot. 1110647;1429992262;ben_vulpes;!rate nanotube 1 runs the #bitcoin-otc web of trust. 1110648;1429992262;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2a303ab9bb15e443 1110649;1429992280;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.nanotube.1:6b3acdaf3c87b906a7e2fbc5257d477ab2d19c4aed01c2de68966135d2ed16a4 1110650;1429992280;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for nanotube with note: runs the #bitcoin-otc web of trust. 1110651;1429992293;ben_vulpes;!rate chetty 2 engineer of the world that was. 1110652;1429992293;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/687347a7113625ca 1110653;1429992314;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.chetty.2:d39733695e5e5231057a9eda40b1ee6bbdc8e536db46d48ada534ba1c2020678 1110654;1429992314;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for chetty with note: engineer of the world that was. 1110655;1429992318;mircea_popescu;"endless cycles of printing that necessitates will do all that is necessary to turn a single Bitcoin into a nuclear sub." << is necessarily going to ? 1110656;1429992336;ben_vulpes;done! 1110657;1429992339;ben_vulpes;aha yeah oops 1110658;1429992378;mircea_popescu;now you gotta go back through the turd and pick up my lines :D 1110659;1429992383;ben_vulpes;nooooo 1110660;1429992394;ben_vulpes;like some derpy nodejs program that got locked on a single queue 1110661;1429992480;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108289 << thread you were looking for 1110662;1429992480;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 16:01:16; williamdunne: But in return you have more potential users of your XYZ business, and more potential to operate profitable businesses that are less-than-possible in the fiat world 1110663;1429992494;ben_vulpes; turns out i kinda like ben_vulpes blog. << blush 1110664;1429992514;mircea_popescu;anyway, http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/24_bitcoin-needs-no-changes-to-destroy-your-world.html definitely part of vulgate nao. 1110665;1429992516;assbot;Bitcoin needs no changes to destroy your world ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBrjJU ) 1110666;1429992616;ben_vulpes;i can't believe that i felt compelled to write it all out. 1110667;1429992626;ben_vulpes;is all of the above not...elementary? 1110668;1429992729;mircea_popescu;kinda what the vulgate is. 1110669;1429992914;ben_vulpes;are you making a reference to the bible translation? 1110670;1429992946;mircea_popescu;well yeah 1110671;1429992975;mircea_popescu;tho ended up THE bible, canonically, in the 1500s 1110672;1429993022;ben_vulpes;our vulgate then being pieces distilling conversations in the forum? 1110673;1429993064;mircea_popescu;either that or the banal that's going to end up the canon. 1110674;1429993076;ben_vulpes;heh 1110675;1429993086;ben_vulpes;quelle vulgar 1110676;1429993141;mircea_popescu;that name is pretty apt, in rip-rospect. 1110677;1429993155;ben_vulpes;as in bible of the commoner? 1110678;1429993229;mircea_popescu;"scoopbot_REVIVED" 1110679;1429993330;mircea_popescu;;;ud wdw 1110680;1429993331;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WDW | WDW. an acronym for the expression: "Whatever, dude. Whatever." Used to express contempt. Nate: Where were you for so long? Chris: I was banging your ... 1110681;1429993376;mircea_popescu;apparently it's actually worthless dumb whore. 1110682;1429993410;williamdunne;Okay, Scoop will now fix himself in the event of my connection dropping 1110683;1429993418;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/24_bitcoin-needs-no-changes-to-destroy-your-world.html << williamdunne this one is for you, baby 1110684;1429993419;assbot;Bitcoin needs no changes to destroy your world ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBtEo2 ) 1110685;1429993485;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: I'll give it a read 1110686;1429993573;williamdunne;"about the stupidity of using the blockchain for anything that does not need to be: 1110687;1429993573;williamdunne; immutable, fungible, non-discriminatory, and trustless" 1110688;1429993586;williamdunne;-- Yeah I agree with you re: why bitcoin matters 1110689;1429993597;williamdunne;(from my own post) 1110690;1429993660;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes there's a wider point here btw : the internet has been slowly evolving towards immutability. this trend is visible high and low - curtis yarvin's attempt to "remake bitcoin in his own yard" did not miss this point, the general response of the fetlife cattle to the meatlist is a very sound "internet is immutable", the wind is there. 1110691;1429993680;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why this is the case, seeing how on the plain consideration immutability is a very retarded concept, 1110692;1429993686;mircea_popescu;but nevertheless, here we are. 1110693;1429993728;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: your post? 1110694;1429993771;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: I too have the capability to write, even if I'm not as eloquent as most here 1110695;1429993790;mircea_popescu;so link ? 1110696;1429993831;williamdunne;http://thethug.life 1110697;1429993832;assbot;Lego Under the Giant's Feet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBuzVF ) 1110698;1429993877;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1110699;1429993885;mircea_popescu;well.. at least it's not "bitcointhug.yo" 1110700;1429993905;mircea_popescu;williamdunne so add it to the scoop 1110701;1429993919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64249 @ 0.00030493 = 19.5914 BTC [+] 1110702;1429993925;williamdunne;Sure thing, well someone had to make use of the gTLDs 1110703;1429993960;mircea_popescu;"immutable, fungible, non-discriminatory, and trustless" hm. this seems actually correct. 1110704;1429993993;mircea_popescu;take discrimination and put it in the wot <-> currency has no business discriminating. 1110705;1429994013;mircea_popescu;puts the entire serenissima vs nato dispute in much better contrast, from this angle. they want to infect everything with everything, 1110706;1429994019;mircea_popescu;make it the job of banks to police, etc. 1110707;1429994026;williamdunne;I think I covered the WoT a bit (well, GPG contracts) in 'Your reputation is a commodity' 1110708;1429994037;mircea_popescu;socialism, after all, is not optional anymore than water level is optional. 1110709;1429994074;mircea_popescu;(what i mean is, you don't get the option ot have some here and none there. if you have some, it's everywhere) 1110710;1429994084;ben_vulpes;http://thethug.life/product-before-capital/ << an add'l note on the exchanges is that the product here is of necessity undifferentiable except with how liquid your shit is 1110711;1429994085;assbot;Venture Backing isn't enough if no-one wants your product — Lego Under the Giant's Feet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBv81B ) 1110712;1429994114;mircea_popescu;not even. 1110713;1429994135;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: I'd disagree, while liquidity is important when it comes to profiting through trading there are features that matter, i.e leverage 1110714;1429994167;mircea_popescu;the trustworthyness of the operator is first. liquidity second. features maybe third tho ideally the thing should be just open and anyone can build their own features. 1110715;1429994211;ben_vulpes;heh without trust there *is* no product. 1110716;1429994238;mircea_popescu;right, 1110717;1429994257;ben_vulpes;http://thethug.life/reputation-commodity-exchange/#fn:1 << bro do you even airgap? 1110718;1429994257;assbot;Your reputation is a commodity — Lego Under the Giant's Feet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBvAwW ) 1110719;1429994259;mircea_popescu;"CEO MIMEX, opinions displayed do not reflect those of MIMEX" << what sense does this make ? if the opinions of the ceo are not mandatory for mimex, then what does "ceo" mean ? 1110720;1429994269;mircea_popescu;and whence is mimex to get OTHER opinions from ? you got a coo ? 1110721;1429994286;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Yeah 1110722;1429994299;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: More specifically it means staying in business is more important than my morals 1110723;1429994300;williamdunne;For example 1110724;1429994309;williamdunne;I personally I have a disdain for compliance of any sort 1110725;1429994314;mircea_popescu;i know that if i'm the guy where the buck stops (usually rendered as "ceo" in anglocircles) then god damned are my opinionsmandatory for the whole organisation. wtf else are we even doing. 1110726;1429994325;mircea_popescu;heh. 1110727;1429994333;williamdunne;But I would prefer to be in business and doing compliance than out of business and not 1110728;1429994368;mircea_popescu;sucks toi be you i guess. 1110729;1429994379;williamdunne;Moral dilemma 1110730;1429994392;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/572468782057013248/WtdCdJXG_400x400.jpeg << so who are teh people ? 1110731;1429994393;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBvVj4 ) 1110732;1429994420;williamdunne;L <-> R 1110733;1429994420;williamdunne;Friend, Moi, Friend, Girlfriend 1110734;1429994461;mircea_popescu;that's more "what" , but anyway. 1110735;1429994478;mircea_popescu;ima read this noob blog later, off to eat some steak. you know what this means, ben_vulpes ? steak ? yes ? 1110736;1429994479;mircea_popescu;mwahahaha. 1110737;1429994536;*;ben_vulpes sobs 1110738;1429994540;williamdunne;http://thethug.life/reputation-commodity-exchange/#fn:1 << bro do you even airgap? << Me? Not for my personal key anyway 1110739;1429994541;assbot;Your reputation is a commodity — Lego Under the Giant's Feet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBwfOT ) 1110740;1429994601;ben_vulpes;the point is a constrasting of how people use keys (properly) and how people use trezors (improperly) 1110741;1429994632;williamdunne;"I am not saying that the needs of the many will not be heard or, when they're justified needs, attended to, but I am saying that they must be channeled through their liege lords instead of democratically elected "representatives" who solicit donations from the rich by promising to protect them from the ravages of the destitute mob, and votes from the destitute mob by promising to protect them from the 1110742;1429994632;williamdunne;depredations of the vile capitalists, ultimately serving only their own cronies at the expense of both those who funded their campaigns and those who voted for them. " heh 1110743;1429994656;williamdunne;Concise summary 1110744;1429994695;ben_vulpes;hey well mircea_popescu i'm off to have some real coffe 1110745;1429994701;ben_vulpes;savvy? 1110746;1429994822;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Okay read your article 1110747;1429994855;williamdunne;I guess what missing from it is that I still don't see why the increase in block-size, or easier access to running a semi-node is inherently bad 1110748;1429994870;williamdunne;Nor why having more people using it is bad 1110749;1429994891;williamdunne;While comparisons between bitcoin and a party fully of popped-collars are fine it doesn't really answer the question 1110750;1429994914;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110314 <<< this is just the default manner wordpress creates an archive page, i think, unless bb made changes 1110751;1429994914;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 18:27:00; mircea_popescu: cazalla dude the http://qntra.net/archives/ page kicks ass. 1110752;1429995327;williamdunne;Wyrdmantis: Thanks for the words earlier. 1110753;1429995445;wyrdmantis;williamdunne: I appreciate the "Lego Under the Giant's Feet" header among other things. And the paypal post also :) 1110754;1429995482;williamdunne;Thank you, yeah. Plenty of derpage about paypal 1110755;1429996072;cazalla;ben_vulpes, first link in your "Bitcoin needs no changes to destroy your world" article is busted 1110756;1429996262;mod6;trinque: going throught this 'building a gentoo ami' guide... any thoughts on the "Select system profile" section? I was about to pick #11... 1110757;1429996379;trinque;mod6: I tend to use the hardened profile along with a hardened kernel 1110758;1429996392;trinque;with the normal glibc, not any of the alternatives 1110759;1429996405;trinque;for whatever good pax and grsecurity actually do.. 1110760;1429996462;mod6;alright. pretend i don't know what any of that means. 1110761;1429996485;mod6;#11 is ok? 1110762;1429996495;trinque;dunno them by number :) 1110763;1429996498;trinque;what's the title 1110764;1429996512;trinque;hardened/linux/amd64 ? 1110765;1429996519;mod6;hardened/linux/amd64/no-multilib 1110766;1429996537;trinque;no-multilib is probably fine if you don't intend to use any 32bit things 1110767;1429996569;mod6;yeah, not on this machine. i'll probably end up creating a totally seperate 32bit instance at another time. 1110768;1429996575;trinque;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hardened << worth reading 1110769;1429996576;assbot;Project:Hardened - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnrD5W ) 1110770;1429996585;mod6;ok thx! 1110771;1429996587;trinque;no problemo 1110772;1429996610;menahem;seeing as everyone is posting their blog love, i did write this today: http://chedr.ca/2015/04/your-emotions-are-irrelevant-and-youve-missed-the-point/ (brings up mircea_popescu 's discussion on RIPple with W3C) 1110773;1429996611;assbot;Your emotions are irrelevant, and you've missed the point - Chedr ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnrEXF ) 1110774;1429996747;mod6;eek! nano keybindings! 1110775;1429997518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00030493 = 13.9048 BTC [+] 1110776;1429997708;trinque;mod6: of course as per earlier thread, this idea that xen guests can be secure is laughable 1110777;1429997752;trinque;rules out a class of problems I guess, but certainly should still be considered enemy territory 1110778;1429997800;mod6;yeah, i got that from the above convo about hypervisors. thanks. 1110779;1429997869;mod6;i guess this is just my first attempt at it. this build of gentoo needs to built with nothing extra so we can build all of the rest by hand, then we'll have a clue as to what tool chain it's using and it's not using something wacky behind our backs. 1110780;1429997881;mod6;"stripped down" basically. 1110781;1429997902;mod6;s/wacky/unexpected/ 1110782;1429997983;trinque;mod6: for sure 1110783;1429997995;trinque;what I'd love to see someday is a DC with no virtualization, just tinier boxes 1110784;1429998062;trinque;and some automation around sending new boxes of various sizes into service 1110785;1429998123;trinque;I once worked for a company that was early (first?) in the server blade space; something like that where there's a uniform backplane which can host different configurations, maybe 1110786;1429998186;mod6;cool. 1110787;1429998204;mod6;this menuconfig thing ... 1110788;1429998210;trinque;shit isn't it? 1110789;1429998218;trinque;hitting ? will let you search for symbols 1110790;1429998222;mod6;i don't even see the paravirtualized guest support option 1110791;1429998230;trinque;and from that screen a number key will let you jump to a result 1110792;1429998239;mod6;ok cool. thanks. 1110793;1429998242;trinque;I am embarassed to admit that it took until this year for me to discover that 1110794;1429998244;trinque;:D 1110795;1429998278;mod6; > Search (Paravirtualized) 1110796;1429998286;mod6;No matches found. 1110797;1429998287;mod6;lol 1110798;1429998324;mod6;oh, search for Xen found it. 1110799;1429998333;mod6; Linux guest support (HYPERVISOR_GUEST [=n]) 1110800;1429998366;williamdunne;trinque: Wouldn't that be the same as any DC that offers cheap metal? 1110801;1429998401;trinque;williamdunne: I tend to think there's a place for metal as cheap as a micro ec2 instance for example 1110802;1429998425;williamdunne;trinque: Oh like a stack of rPis in a server enclosure? 1110803;1429998431;trinque;could exist, I'm not aware if so 1110804;1429998445;trinque;williamdunne: yeah aside from the rpi being a particularly heinous device 1110805;1429998448;williamdunne;Yeah I'm not aware either 1110806;1429998449;trinque;not that I don't own many of them 1110807;1429998453;williamdunne;Sure, just the general idea 1110808;1429998458;trinque;indeed 1110809;1429998475;trinque;so then, the nice thing about ec2 is you can spin up instances of various sizes and it "just happens" rapidly 1110810;1429998491;trinque;that's where having racks that can rack/unrack hardware on the fly and a uniform backplane sounds appealing 1110811;1429998517;williamdunne;For sure 1110812;1429998519;trinque;that part might be retarded, and effort might be better put into anticipating what hardware needs to be on the racks already 1110813;1429998702;trinque;it's a problem that from the perspective of trying to maximize occupancy is much easier to solve with the virtualization turd 1110814;1429998785;mod6;ok qq: i saved the config as 'btc-dev-gentoo64-ami.config', under the chroot: /usr/src/linux ; do I need to do anything specific to ensure that I'm compiling with this config instead of the defaulted filename '.config' ? 1110815;1429998821;trinque;mod6: there may or may not be a flag to tell it to use a different config file, but by default it will use .config 1110816;1429998832;trinque;typically I copy the config there, and also store it elsewhere for reuse 1110817;1429998832;mod6;ok 1110818;1429998840;trinque;so you don't mrproper yourself out of a config 1110819;1429998849;mod6;gotcha 1110820;1429998861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00030141 = 18.7477 BTC [-] 1110821;1429998887;Naphex;mod6: i'd just do the chroot thing and getting it done. doing a custom kernel won't help you much running in a hypervisor 1110822;1429998889;mod6;i just copied my config to .config, w/e 1110823;1429998907;mod6;Naphex: im pretty dumb. 1110824;1429998919;trinque;Naphex: rolling your own gentoo is a good learning experience 1110825;1429998940;Naphex;trinque: yeah but might as well just skip the kernel. 1110826;1429998941;mod6;i know like, zero about gentoo. 1110827;1429998961;Naphex;trinque: gentoo doesn't even have iptables defaulted, so as soon as his done he'll end up recompiling 1110828;1429998972;trinque;recompiling the kernel 100 times is sop 1110829;1429998976;trinque;:) 1110830;1429998987;mod6;awe fuq 1110831;1429999009;trinque;sure configuring a kernel is a massive pain in the dick, but at least you get more acquainted with what's in there 1110832;1429999031;Naphex;trinque: i like doing it once and then just reusing the config on the same hardware :P 1110833;1429999043;trinque;indeed, he's just getting started! 1110834;1429999048;trinque;no sense in giving him the answers to the test 1110835;1429999051;Naphex;but if you wanna learn on aws go for it. if you just want to set up chroot and start bootstrapping 1110836;1429999141;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes http://imgur.com/a/xogco << back from this 1110837;1429999142;assbot; electron microscopy visit - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1bFqGR5 ) 1110838;1429999142;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1110839;1429999154;Naphex;mod6: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Base#Chrooting make a folder, unpack stage 3. 1110840;1429999155;assbot;Installing the Gentoo base system - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1bFqFwF ) 1110841;1429999160;Naphex;later you can keep on recompiling the kernel 1110842;1429999195;trinque;Naphex: eh? stage 3 doesn't give you a kernel 1110843;1429999199;trinque;or does it now? 1110844;1429999203;trinque;never did before 1110845;1429999212;Naphex;trinque: it is in portage, you do an emerge for gentoo-sources 1110846;1429999224;Naphex;trinque: or hardened-sources for production 1110847;1429999227;trinque;uhuh, that's not a compiled kernel 1110848;1429999229;mod6;that's what i just am doing now. it's compiling from that. 1110849;1429999233;trinque;you still have to configure it 1110850;1429999238;trinque;or use genkernel like some kind of pedestrian 1110851;1429999247;mod6;i have a chroot set up, and all that. im still not even sure how any of this will work. 1110852;1429999258;mod6;but i'll just take your word for it. 1110853;1429999293;Naphex;trinque: genkernel is pretty helpful on servers with firmware for building a quick initramfs 1110854;1429999300;trinque;you keep saying "quick" 1110855;1429999302;Naphex;trinque: boot time is fast anyway 1110856;1429999304;trinque;that's not what's called for when learning 1110857;1429999314;trinque;neither is boot time being fast relevant 1110858;1429999339;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110312 << what, i gotta draw a picture ? 1110859;1429999339;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 18:22:57; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110187 << you know how the literary criticism goes, "don't tell, show". you've not really shown. 1110860;1429999340;Naphex;well its better to learn from best practices on these kind of things and drill down 1110861;1429999343;asciilifeform;;;google jvm exploit 1110862;1429999344;gribble;The Java Security Exploit in (Mostly) Plain English - Tim Boudreau: ; Report: Half of all exploits target Java | JavaWorld: ; Java and Java Virtual Machine security vulnerabilities ... - Black (1 more message) 1110863;1429999349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28941 @ 0.00030133 = 8.7208 BTC [-] 1110864;1429999359;trinque;asciilifeform: reminds me, you are the top result for "critique of clojure" on my googles at least 1110865;1429999375;asciilifeform;trinque: was among top ~10 for 'clojure' per se, for a while 1110866;1429999380;trinque;nice 1110867;1429999417;Naphex;asciilifeform: applets are applets and security issues are all around. being a good dev implies taking care with deploying your product 1110868;1429999427;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110320 << fits right in the the other 1,001 things that turn into turd ideas when 'everybody does it', like private automobile 1110869;1429999427;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 18:29:26; mircea_popescu: not to even consider the fact that once this commodifies, the night discount goes away 1110870;1429999448;asciilifeform;Naphex: how do you take care of undiscovered 0days in turdware stack ? 1110871;1429999452;asciilifeform;other than by -not using it- 1110872;1429999457;trinque;asciilifeform: uh like, #shipit 1110873;1429999459;Naphex;asciilifeform: and you get all sorts of added on. as well the standerd jre is pretty clean. most of the exploiting fun is on j2ee app servers and other enterprisey thingies 1110874;1429999471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126309 @ 0.00030571 = 38.6139 BTC [+] {2} 1110875;1429999502;asciilifeform;http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-5/product_id-1526/cvssscoremin-6/cvssscoremax-6.99/SUN-JRE.html << mmno. 1110876;1429999503;assbot;SUN JRE : List of security vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1bFrGES ) 1110877;1429999518;asciilifeform;if that's 'pretty clean', i shudder to imagine Naphex's idea of 'dirty' 1110878;1429999523;Naphex;asciilifeform: there won't be any 0days in the basic stuff. There are rarely buffers in the stack. And everything is accounted for. NIO/events/the threads etc are all safe and you don't give raw user input to them 1110879;1429999533;Naphex;asciilifeform: getting any shellcode anywhere would be retarded 1110880;1429999569;Naphex;asciilifeform: the languasge and jre are pretty fine. when it comes to enterprise stacks and j2ee it goes all around 1110881;1429999573;asciilifeform;but to get back to original thread, i wasn't even specifically thinking of 0days in the jre itself, but the overall turdification and prevention of fits-in-head that java inescapably leads to. 1110882;1429999593;Naphex;asciilifeform: and you defend from 0 days as always. running hardened and buring your servers while filltering all input 1110883;1429999598;asciilifeform;to paraphrase mircea_popescu article, if christ saves in java - let me go straight to hell. 1110884;1429999613;Naphex;burying* 1110885;1429999622;asciilifeform;burying ? 1110886;1429999629;asciilifeform;mistranslation from ??? ? 1110887;1429999655;asciilifeform;where should i bury my servers? back yard? cemetery ? 1110888;1429999675;Naphex;asciilifeform: in your private encrypted lan maybe 1110889;1429999680;trinque;wtf is this guy? 1110890;1429999696;trinque;Naphex: there's a difference between knowing of things and knowing them comprehensively 1110891;1429999715;Naphex;i agree ;] 1110892;1429999772;trinque;so atop your shit tower of an incomprehensible computing stack and a further incomprehensible virtual computing stack you what? 1110893;1429999782;trinque;it's all probably fine because reasons? 1110894;1429999800;Naphex;huh? 1110895;1429999842;trinque;the situation there is too complex for you or any other fool to be able to claim with certainty that it's secure 1110896;1429999853;Naphex;which situation? 1110897;1429999867;trinque;I'm not going to copy and paste the last 20 lines of logs for you 1110898;1429999885;Naphex;well i have no clue what you're saying is too complex 1110899;1429999892;Naphex;to be secure 1110900;1429999912;Naphex;wtf are you talking about really? 1110901;1429999926;asciilifeform;gotta love this ritualistic 'secure' that doesn't entail actually understanding anything 1110902;1429999949;trinque;asciilifeform: you just cast "protect" with enough manna and you're good 1110903;1429999950;Naphex;asciilifeform: are your servers secure ascii? 1110904;1429999951;asciilifeform;mumble the words, sprinkle blood of virgin --- s3cur3! 1110905;1429999963;Naphex;asciilifeform: do you do any net code? in what? 1110906;1429999965;Naphex;is it secure? 1110907;1429999970;trinque;also make sure you've got an enterprise grade "encrypted LAN" 1110908;1429999978;Naphex;asciilifeform: how do you defend from 0days? on the stuff you host? 1110909;1429999984;asciilifeform;Naphex likes to ask questions. 1110910;1430000002;Naphex;preach me the 'secure' way please 1110911;1430000005;Naphex;i'd like the learn 1110912;1430000011;Naphex;to* 1110913;1430000019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39796 @ 0.00031407 = 12.4987 BTC [+] {3} 1110914;1430000021;asciilifeform;Naphex: if you actually would - straight to the logs. 1110915;1430000043;asciilifeform;Naphex: if you're interested in my concept in particular, see article 'don't blame the mice.' 1110916;1430000060;Naphex;asciilifeform: i do work, explain me in tehnical terms 1110917;1430000064;Naphex;do you do anything to prevent? 1110918;1430000076;Naphex;or protect yourself, any techniques? 1110919;1430000085;trinque;"I don't want to read that much; can you tweet me about secure?" 1110920;1430000111;Naphex;trinque: lol, you think encrypted lans are 'enterprise' 1110921;1430000115;asciilifeform;!s specificity of diddling 1110922;1430000116;assbot;4 results for 'specificity of diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=specificity+of+diddling 1110923;1430000119;asciilifeform;^ basic principle 1110924;1430000123;asciilifeform;Naphex ^ 1110925;1430000164;trinque;Naphex: you'd have to give me a coherent explanation of what you think an encrypted LAN is before I could possibly tell you what I think about it. 1110926;1430000185;Naphex;trinque: if you have servers, and they are linked together maybe you're using a DC Switch 1110927;1430000196;Naphex;trinque: and you might want the data transfered between them, you know encrypted 1110928;1430000203;Naphex;so people don't snoop on it. maybe its private 1110929;1430000228;williamdunne;Naphex: Isn't the general idea that you use end-to-end encryption not hub and spoke encryption 1110930;1430000231;Naphex;so maybe you setup, ipsec.. or something to keep that channel encrypted. 1110931;1430000271;Naphex;williamdunne: ipsec is end-to-end 1110932;1430000385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00031689 = 2.9312 BTC [+] {2} 1110933;1430000460;trinque;Naphex: it takes some humility to be able to see that while you may be able to reason about ipsec in the abstract, neither you nor anyone else can take the current computing stack and fit it in his head 1110934;1430000479;trinque;(notwithstanding that I don't see how ipsec protects some JRE app) 1110935;1430000501;trinque;if you cannot fit it in your head, you are a liar if you point to it and say you know it to be secure 1110936;1430000530;trinque;if we're talking about how best to patch the raft we're riding in, sure, tape the thing and hope for the best 1110937;1430000546;trinque;if tape is all you have 1110938;1430000570;decimation;no analysis of security can begin without identifying exactly what one wishes to keep secret, and from whom 1110939;1430000776;Naphex;trinque: okay. make your point 1110940;1430000822;Naphex;trinque: is it the word secuire thats the problem, s/secure/replace/ ? 1110941;1430000861;ben_vulpes; ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://imgur.com/a/xogco << back from this << oooh 1110942;1430000862;assbot; electron microscopy visit - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1bFv82r ) 1110943;1430000884;Naphex;anyway, what i was saying is you take steps 'secure' or tape your stuff always, and you don't feed raw data to your apps if you can filter the input beforehand. 1110944;1430000901;asciilifeform;again with the rituals and enumerated badness. 1110945;1430000971;Naphex;anyway. words ain't much to me and I ain't one to duke it out on irc for random bullshit 1110946;1430000975;decimation;Naphex: can you sign your name under the resulting machine code - all of it - that will 'filter' and 'app' the crap coming from your socket? 1110947;1430000978;Naphex;keep your stuff safe. i try to 1110948;1430001027;ben_vulpes; ... prevention of fits-in-head << can vouch for the pita of this in clojure 1110949;1430001030;ben_vulpes;how does it work? 1110950;1430001032;ben_vulpes;fuck if i know. 1110951;1430001069;asciilifeform;Naphex: ... I ain't one to duke it out on irc for random bullshit << spewing garbage, on the other hand, is perfectly fine ? 1110952;1430001072;Naphex;decimation: yeah, you can do a lot of stuff. depending on far you want to go 1110953;1430001110;Naphex;asciilifeform: which part of it was garbage? 1110954;1430001126;asciilifeform;the 'filtering', 'encrypted lan', and other idiot industry shibboleths 1110955;1430001134;asciilifeform;the jvm advocacy 1110956;1430001136;Naphex;what's wrong with them? 1110957;1430001139;asciilifeform;and pretty much all of it. 1110958;1430001149;ben_vulpes; trinque: Oh like a stack of rPis in a server enclosure? << just start buying cheap old blades and racking them. 1110959;1430001154;Naphex;yeah jvm does its job what of it? 1110960;1430001159;ben_vulpes;there's nothing more undervalued right now than cheap old blades. 1110961;1430001162;Naphex;and i wasn't advocating it 1110962;1430001165;Naphex;you were shiting on it 1110963;1430001170;asciilifeform;i will continue to shit on it. 1110964;1430001175;Naphex;as i will on clisp 1110965;1430001184;asciilifeform;clisp is pretty bad. 1110966;1430001184;ben_vulpes;lol what is clisp? 1110967;1430001187;Naphex;cause it shit, and the paranthesis suck 1110968;1430001196;ben_vulpes;bahahaha 1110969;1430001199;Naphex;:P 1110970;1430001203;ben_vulpes;wow i've never heard that argument made in the wild 1110971;1430001222;ben_vulpes;what -- specifically -- hurts about the parens, naphex? 1110972;1430001231;Naphex;ben_vulpes: the button 1110973;1430001237;trinque;oh dear 1110974;1430001242;Naphex;and really, i hate the way they look 1110975;1430001249;Naphex;( 1110976;1430001250;trinque;ben_vulpes: cheap blades for sure 1110977;1430001252;Naphex;))) 1110978;1430001282;*;ben_vulpes ' tiny brain drips from ears 1110979;1430001285;asciilifeform;naggum had an interesting observation about why folks very quickly bring out the 'parentheses pain' >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3138961746451885@naggum.no.html 1110980;1430001286;assbot;Re: Follow up to "New To Lisp: Advantages of Lisp syntax" - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1bFw1YO ) 1110981;1430001293;decimation;blades suck ass, but you can probably buy them from junk dealers for cheap 1110982;1430001302;asciilifeform;but i think we did this one here. nobody, apparently, reads logs 1110983;1430001323;trinque;decimation: yeah, the idea would be to replace tiny VMs I think 1110984;1430001325;trinque;I'd have a use for that 1110985;1430001328;*;trinque has to step away for a bit 1110986;1430001343;trinque;Naphex: consider that your gut reactions may be poorly tuned 1110987;1430001394;decimation;I'm not against putting things on bare metal, just that blades lock you into a generally shitty 'blade-crate' vendor 1110988;1430001417;Naphex;trinque: what do you do? 1110989;1430001422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00030014 = 23.681 BTC [-] 1110990;1430001436;ben_vulpes;menahem: blockquotes on your blog with the email formatting is a pita to read 1110991;1430001440;ben_vulpes;!up menahem 1110992;1430001462;ben_vulpes;decimation: what do you mean 'blade-crate' vendor? 1110993;1430001468;asciilifeform;Naphex: the button << wai wat 1110994;1430001475;menahem;ben_vulpes totally. didnt know how to approach that. 1110995;1430001483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00029199 = 3.7667 BTC [-] 1110996;1430001487;ben_vulpes;Naphex: he runs a payment processor and web fast food order taker/relayer to fast fooderies 1110997;1430001494;ben_vulpes;built the whole thing himself, he did 1110998;1430001504;Naphex;trinque: how do you keep the payment data secure? 1110999;1430001515;ben_vulpes;menahem: try a
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1111000;1430001517;Naphex;do you worry about 0days? and attacks?
1111001;1430001537;menahem;ben_vulpes ill give that a go next time.
1111002;1430001540;Naphex;trinque: have you any protection in place for the payment data and the orders?
1111003;1430001545;menahem;thanks tho.
1111004;1430001634;Naphex;trinque: do you consider your solutions secure?
1111005;1430001702;decimation;ben_vulpes: how do you mount your blades to the rack?
1111006;1430001781;ben_vulpes;usually i bolt them on directly, but i'm a barbarian and haven't actually derped much with physical servers.
1111007;1430001792;ben_vulpes;you're talking about slides etc?
1111008;1430001814;decimation;are you talking about a server that fits in 1u or 2u?
1111009;1430001829;ben_vulpes;i've only ever racked 1us
1111010;1430001844;ben_vulpes;you people keep mistaking me for someone who knows what he's doing or talking about
1111011;1430001864;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_server#/media/File:Enclosure_proliant.jpg
1111012;1430001865;assbot;Blade server - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bFxkqz )
1111013;1430001884;decimation;typically the word 'blade' is used for a computer that's mounted vertically in the rack, in some kind of proprietary container
1111014;1430001893;ben_vulpes;ah gotcha
1111015;1430001895;decimation;usually with power, bus, network, etc supplied as part of the 'crate'
1111016;1430001899;ben_vulpes;my mistake my mistake
1111017;1430001904;decimation;as opposed to a 1u server you slip into the rack
1111018;1430001907;ben_vulpes;yup
1111019;1430001932;ben_vulpes; there's nothing more undervalued right now than cheap old servers << okay fixd
1111020;1430001956;decimation;yeah makes sense
1111021;1430001970;decimation;although in terms of raw compute power/watt they can suck
1111022;1430002078;decimation;actually I wonder how many folks use an old dell/hp server hosted at home on their cable modem
1111023;1430002088;decimation;and then route packets through aws just for spam protection
1111024;1430002090;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110783 << kakobrekla linked to one of these.
1111025;1430002090;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 21:39:55; trinque: what I'd love to see someday is a DC with no virtualization, just tinier boxes
1111026;1430002141;asciilifeform;(some place that let out 'arm' boxes)
1111027;1430002208;decimation;asciilifeform: supposedly there are moves to stuff thousands of little arm servers in a rack
1111028;1430002214;decimation;but I haven't seen it become mainstream
1111029;1430002235;asciilifeform;decimation: kakobrekla linked to a farm which takes orders even now, but i don't have the url handy
1111030;1430002248;asciilifeform;in the log, somewhere.
1111031;1430002269;decimation;yeah but you can't go to dell,hp, and order a crate of arm boxes (to my knowledge)
1111032;1430002325;asciilifeform;decimation: they operate under the dictum 'thou shalt not produce machine upon which microshit cannot run and in fact be the preferred or forced choice'
1111033;1430002339;asciilifeform;when microshit's arm winblows catched up, dell et al - will ship'em.
1111034;1430002344;asciilifeform;*catches
1111035;1430002470;decimation;HP recommends Microsoft Windows
1111036;1430002497;decimation;actually dell kinda tried http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-c5125/pd
1111037;1430002498;assbot; Dell PowerEdge C5125 Microserver | Dell  ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5Pdbb )
1111038;1430002506;decimation;but 12 servers in a 3u box is lam
1111039;1430002508;asciilifeform;and will sell you the necessary x86 box, yes, 'in any colour you like so long as...' (TM)
1111040;1430002516;decimation;need 100 in a 3u box
1111041;1430002556;decimation;there's an obvious tension between "we sell you cheap enterprise servers" and "we only support xeon"
1111042;1430002593;*;asciilifeform wonders if any known arm incarnation supports ecc ram
1111043;1430002653;decimation;asciilifeform: did you notice that ti now sells msp430 with 'fram'?
1111044;1430002657;decimation;http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/microcontrollers_16-bit_32-bit/msp/ultra-low_power/msp430frxx_fram/overview.page
1111045;1430002658;assbot;FRAM Microcontroller - Overview - MSP430 FRAM Series - TI.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5PXwU )
1111046;1430002677;*;asciilifeform recalls a number of these
1111047;1430002753;decimation;msp430 actually is a decent candidate for small micro-controller of interest
1111048;1430002768;decimation;there are full verilog implementations available, for future-proofing
1111049;1430002783;asciilifeform;available where ?
1111050;1430002796;decimation;one of the few 'open-cores' that isn't vaporware
1111051;1430002816;decimation;http://opencores.org/project,openmsp430
1111052;1430002817;assbot;openMSP430 :: Overview :: OpenCores ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5QG1b )
1111053;1430002833;asciilifeform;neato
1111054;1430002838;decimation;also some guy claims to have a working 'gnat' implementation http://sourceforge.net/projects/msp430ada/
1111055;1430002839;assbot;MSP430-Ada | SourceForge.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5QM9e )
1111056;1430002846;*;asciilifeform tried 'opensparc' and a number of smaller things, but not this
1111057;1430002864;decimation;unfortunately no floating point unit, but that isn't needed for the target market here
1111058;1430003598;trinque;Naphex: one does the best he can with the leaky raft
1111059;1430003612;trinque;but that should not keep him from imagining a better vessel
1111060;1430003724;asciilifeform;trinque: '... if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will only make them miserable and hate their lives.  People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself and get through such experiences.'
1111061;1430003738;asciilifeform;( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html << much on topic.)
1111062;1430003739;assbot;Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5VN1m )
1111063;1430003754;trinque;very much so, have read it
1111064;1430003770;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel
1111065;1430003773;gabriel_laddel;thank you
1111066;1430003827;asciilifeform;trinque: doctor sometimes tells patient hard truths about where the latter is headed. but doctor can dispense dope to ease the pain. this is hard to do over irc.
1111067;1430003827;gabriel_laddel;Naphex: regarding security - read more. A few links that have turned up in the logs are available at http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html#sec-6-2-3
1111068;1430003829;assbot;A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem (DRAFT) ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5Wjwg )
1111069;1430003872;gabriel_laddel;Naphex: regarding lisp - read more. This section + footnotes http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html#sec-6-2-1
1111070;1430003873;assbot;A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem (DRAFT) ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5WvMd )
1111071;1430003878;gabriel_laddel;then read all of loper os
1111072;1430003881;gabriel_laddel;then all of the logs
1111073;1430003927;gabriel_laddel;EVERYTHING you've thought on the subject has been covered.
1111074;1430004057;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that clock i bought from the street spammer works about as well as ought to be expected. sometimes stops for 2,3,4,5+ hours - then runs... then, again...
1111075;1430004079;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: almost made the mistake of trying to catch the planes by that clock, but realized in time.
1111076;1430004118;asciilifeform;i mention it because i can imagine a world where such clocks are considered not only acceptable, but 'state of the art' and 'best practice'
1111077;1430004165;asciilifeform;(if computing is any guide of the quantity and sheer vomitrous power of fecalia people can be persuaded to swallow)
1111078;1430004398;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mircea_popescu on the contrary! http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/24/narrated-video-of-the-poem-stop-all-the-clocks-again/#comment-16132
1111079;1430004399;assbot;Narrated video of the poem ‘Stop all the clocks (again)’ | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5ZoN2 )
1111080;1430004399;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1111081;1430004414;pete_dushenski;goddam wp is hit and miss.
1111082;1430004444;williamdunne;gabriel_laddel:
1111083;1430004446;pete_dushenski;in any event... just read your bitcoin treatise, ben_vulpes. sharp!
1111084;1430004738;pete_dushenski;;;later tell peterl if you're alive, http://bablogs.btcscoop.com isn't talking to cascadianhacker.
1111085;1430004739;assbot; #bitcoin-assets blog posts  ... ( http://bit.ly/1E61dJK )
1111086;1430004739;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1111087;1430004766;pete_dushenski;williamdunne mebbe you could have scoopbot_revived post to a page on your site ?
1111088;1430004787;Naphex;gabriel_laddel: hi o/ thanks for the links, what is Masamune? did you write it?
1111089;1430004787;pete_dushenski;a blogpost repository of sorts for b-a
1111090;1430004791;williamdunne;What like a log of all blog posts
1111091;1430004798;gabriel_laddel;Naphex: Currently writing it.
1111092;1430004800;williamdunne;Definitely possible
1111093;1430004804;Naphex;gabriel_laddel: what is it?
1111094;1430004813;gabriel_laddel;Naphex: read the linked post if you'd like to know
1111095;1430004814;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: I'll do that tomorrow/Monday
1111096;1430004824;pete_dushenski;williamdunne i'd appreciate this service and i'm sure i'm not alone
1111097;1430004826;Naphex;gabriel_laddel: maybe other people want to know too, i will check the link
1111098;1430004834;Naphex;gabriel_laddel: maybe other people wanna know and ask questions
1111099;1430004847;Naphex;gabriel_laddel: can you tell me anything about it?
1111100;1430004848;gabriel_laddel;and perhaps I'll tell them to stfu and read?
1111101;1430004855;gabriel_laddel;FUCK YOU READ MORE
1111102;1430004857;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Sure, a #b-a library of sorts
1111103;1430004865;Naphex;oh
1111104;1430004870;Naphex;well fuck off then
1111105;1430004876;Naphex;you and your shitty github page
1111106;1430004889;Naphex;see i don't have to care
1111107;1430004898;gabriel_laddel;;; gettrust Naphex
1111108;1430004898;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gabriel_laddel&dest=Naphex | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Naphex | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 12:14:50 2014
1111109;1430004904;pete_dushenski;williamdunne exactly that. thanks for taking a look at this! damn you're useful.
1111110;1430004958;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Very welcome. Not too big of a job
1111111;1430005039;williamdunne;It won't cover all of history though, most of the RSS feeds only cover 5-10 posts each
1111112;1430005053;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110730 << williamdunne, whoa are you like 21 or something ?
1111113;1430005053;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 20:39:52; mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/572468782057013248/WtdCdJXG_400x400.jpeg << so who are teh people ?
1111114;1430005058;williamdunne;Although obviously it will cover all future posts
1111115;1430005064;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: 18
1111116;1430005072;pete_dushenski;lol snap.
1111117;1430005086;pete_dushenski;an impressed is me.
1111118;1430005095;williamdunne;Thanks, thought I'd start young
1111119;1430005111;pete_dushenski;and yea, 5-10 posts or w/e is fine.
1111120;1430005123;pete_dushenski;of history.
1111121;1430005251;williamdunne;Ideal, well I can definitely get that done, not a big job. I'll see if there is any standardized way to get RSS to provide a full history
1111122;1430005292;pete_dushenski;excellent.
1111123;1430005386;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110941 << interestingly, i asked about the cost. was told something like '$1m for the old style, 2.5 for the new generation.' fella said this with straight face, too, as if there were nothing remarkable about this factoid.
1111124;1430005386;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 22:27:41; ben_vulpes:  ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://imgur.com/a/xogco << back from this << oooh
1111125;1430005401;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al ^^^ mega-inflationary-l0lz4tr0n
1111126;1430005447;pete_dushenski;;;later tell menahem re: http://chedr.ca/2015/04/your-emotions-are-irrelevant-and-youve-missed-the-point/ << 1. dunno why i didn't see the trackbacks from this... 2. kinda hard to read with all the >>>>s 3. a blogger is you!
1111127;1430005448;assbot;Your emotions are irrelevant, and you've missed the point - Chedr ... ( http://bit.ly/1QuBrFK )
1111128;1430005448;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1111129;1430005470;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: creature in the photo is pet, not owner of instrument
1111130;1430005519;asciilifeform;item in the chamber was, i think, a dragonfly
1111131;1430005534;menahem;pete_dushenski ive got a good assistant now.. freed up some time. ;)  and agreed, my bad on the >>, it's an email thread.
1111132;1430005535;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform i seem to recall '$1mn' being tossed around about 10 years ago
1111133;1430005570;pete_dushenski;menahem just something to edit out. blogs aren't chiseled in stone y'know ;)
1111134;1430005585;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it also matters, for what. usually these things need 3-phase mains, cooling water, often - a handy dewar with ln2, maintenance contract, etc.
1111135;1430005622;menahem;pete_dushenski def, ill try 
 as per ben_vulpes reco. always a work in progress. :)
1111136;1430005646;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform ugh 'maintenance contracts'. perhaps the only thing more blood-sucking than a mortgage
1111137;1430005649;asciilifeform;the vacuum pumps (all stages) appeared to be built into the cabinet, however.
1111138;1430005661;asciilifeform;also visited a place where they did sputtering.
1111139;1430005707;pete_dushenski;for the ignorant, what's 'sputtering' ?
1111140;1430005751;asciilifeform;http://www.uccs.edu/~tchriste/courses/PHYS549/549lectures/sputtertech.html << likbez
1111141;1430005752;assbot;UCCS | 404 Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1E66Tn3 )
1111142;1430005794;asciilifeform;chances are, you are looking at a sputtered surface right now.
1111143;1430005801;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OEz_e9C4KM
1111144;1430005803;assbot;Intro to sputtering (process to create clear, conductive coatings) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6795x )
1111145;1430005831;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform will watch.
1111146;1430005842;asciilifeform;^ not my film, but interesting
1111147;1430005845;menahem;pete_dushenski maintenance contracts - no good ?  i love selling them. :)
1111148;1430005890;pete_dushenski;well... i'm sure you do!
1111149;1430005956;pete_dushenski;!rate williamdunne 1 responsive and energetic.
1111150;1430005956;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a8f4c7444fc61a2f
1111151;1430005966;menahem;some things need the luv, or they deteriorate. much like buildings, roads, etc.  much won't sustain without the maintenance.
1111152;1430005983;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.williamdunne.1:bbe7dc99e44de364bb27d4745e33db2b80fc3d8da77a371c288223af85f3c58b
1111153;1430005983;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for williamdunne with note: responsive and energetic.
1111154;1430005988;williamdunne;Thanks Pete
1111155;1430006049;pete_dushenski;np.
1111156;1430006178;pete_dushenski;!rate menahem 2 had drinks, had coffee, finally knocked sense into him.
1111157;1430006178;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9c7c3a0850fe3681
1111158;1430006195;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.menahem.2:ff2b6568a2919406cdfcef2c2fbd6c6c89985e454a358859584b18a3b7613147
1111159;1430006195;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for menahem from 1 to 2 with note: had drinks, had coffee, finally knocked sense into him.
1111160;1430006223;menahem;lol!  sense you knocked into me indeed.  much appreciated!
1111161;1430006240;menahem;still doing it. ;)
1111162;1430006254;pete_dushenski;lol what else am i good for ?
1111163;1430006264;menahem;well, I read your new poem
1111164;1430006276;menahem;well, remake of one
1111165;1430006320;menahem;"If I can keep it together when all and everyone
1111166;1430006320;menahem;Are losing their cool and hating me,
1111167;1430006320;menahem;If I can trust my WoT until my time is done,
1111168;1430006320;menahem;And be the Pete the world requires of me"
1111169;1430006345;pete_dushenski;i'm such a rhymer.
1111170;1430006353;pete_dushenski;me and... me
1111171;1430006373;pete_dushenski;love to keep going but meatspace beckons.
1111172;1430006379;pete_dushenski;until next time!
1111173;1430006385;menahem;lol, love is only increasing !  you being you (and like others in the wot) is bringing out the best in people.. even though they may not realize it this moment.
1111174;1430006390;menahem;ha, see ya.
1111175;1430006423;menahem;best = more intelligent
1111176;1430007360;Naphex;oh wow, just read the news. so bitgo finally popped with the worst mistake they can make?;o
1111177;1430007392;Naphex;gn.
1111178;1430007522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100600 @ 0.00029935 = 30.1146 BTC [+]
1111179;1430008349;Pierre_Rochard;Naphex: https://np.reddit.com/comments/33u8vq//cqofrit
1111180;1430008352;assbot;vytah comments on Holy Satoshi! Butter pays 85Btc transaction fees for a 16Btc transaction. Is this the largest fee ever paid? ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6kISv )
1111181;1430008356;Pierre_Rochard;“Captains of the industry. If they were captains of any other industry, like say for example automotive, we'd have people dying in car crashes between two stationary vehicles."
1111182;1430008408;Naphex;:D good one!
1111183;1430008518;trinque;"So what you're saying is that this currency of the future can destroy my savings because of an error and nobody is responsible?" << b-but, who will inforce what's fair?!
1111184;1430008659;trinque;what is this obsession with making things safe, as though you don't still die in agony at the end?
1111185;1430008673;trinque;and likely more agony because you fretted about it your whole miserable life
1111186;1430008683;williamdunne;Responsibility is scary bro
1111187;1430008974;trinque;Naphex: regarding earlier thread, things such as parsing inputs, putting sensitive data on networks that don't knock knees directly with the web, all great stuff
1111188;1430008993;Naphex;oh, i tought you hated it
1111189;1430009008;trinque;not at all; it'd be good not to get personality wrapped up in such discussions too
1111190;1430009021;trinque;it's just, what would be better than the complex wad we have currently?
1111191;1430009049;trinque;reading asciilifeform's blog and various excellent threads in the logs would be instructive there
1111192;1430009058;trinque;I personally do not claim to have the answer, or I'd be typing from it
1111193;1430009082;Naphex;dude, i was giving my 2 cents on what people can do to harden up
1111194;1430009109;Naphex;no jimmies rustled. most of that stuff is necessary whenever you have more servers
1111195;1430009116;Naphex;or have to internal networking
1111196;1430009127;trinque;mhm
1111197;1430009174;Naphex;but if you have nothing you will be fucked and quickly
1111198;1430009190;Naphex;and not by the NSA, by some kid with some scripts
1111199;1430009215;williamdunne;I just spent 30 minutes trying to work out why the hell my DB connection wasn't working. I was editing the wrong fucking config file.
1111200;1430009230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00030896 = 16.9156 BTC [+]
1111201;1430009333;trinque;Naphex: certainly, if one doesn't tape the raft's holes, he'll drown
1111202;1430009356;Naphex;i see now that the term secure was the problem. how about hardened?
1111203;1430009408;trinque;I can admire a survivor ingenuity, crafting spears from bamboo and all that
1111204;1430009409;trinque;no harm in that
1111205;1430009488;Naphex;well ain't that security?
1111206;1430009489;scoopbot_revived;News! BitGo Bug Results In Loss Of User Funds By Way Of 85 BTC Fee URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/bitgo-bug-results-in-loss-of-user-funds-by-way-of-85-btc-fee/
1111207;1430009490;assbot;BitGo Bug Results In Loss Of User Funds By Way Of 85 BTC Fee | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6qe7J )
1111208;1430009534;Naphex;trinque: how would you define perfect security?
1111209;1430009557;trinque;Naphex: I currently cannot; it would first require being able to model the whole system in my head at once
1111210;1430009596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8486 @ 0.00029935 = 2.5403 BTC [-]
1111211;1430009610;Naphex;so when you say system, how deep/high do we go?
1111212;1430009702;trinque;Naphex: here's a good example by the way of what can be done with what we have: http://mpex.co/faq.html#18
1111213;1430009751;trinque;Naphex: as far as what it means to have a fits-in-head system, please do read asciilifeform's material; he's far more qualified to say.
1111214;1430009849;Naphex;trinque: that's airgapped gpg. you can implement gpg all over. Not sure how much airgapping it helps. A lot of sidechannel attacks comming up nowadays that can grab keys
1111215;1430009879;Naphex;local is always a threat as well, no matter where you airgap
1111216;1430009913;Naphex;having a annonymous ip is dandy. but no way anywhere near as enough. you still have to implement most of the stuff i said above especially the filtering part
1111217;1430009922;Naphex;to defend from any exposing dos attacks
1111218;1430009962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137900 @ 0.00029076 = 40.0958 BTC [-] {3} 
1111219;1430010048;Naphex;anyway. i'm off. gn
1111220;1430011083;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: had a  similar head against wall bug yesterday, in pgsql: to_timestamp(‘2014-2’, ‘YYYY-Q’), doesn’t work because the docs clearly state “quarter (ignored by to_date and to_timestamp)” but it was three hours of desperate refactoring before I actually read them.
1111221;1430011133;williamdunne;Its so easy to ignore the most simplistic bugs.. derpage galore.
1111222;1430011201;Pierre_Rochard;I was outraged because the reason they ignore quarter (and don’t raise an error!) is because there’s no convention as to whether the date should be the beg or end of the quarter. Month, week, etc do the beginning, why not adopt that as the convention!?
1111223;1430011247;Pierre_Rochard;anyway, lesson learned and appropriate duct tape applied
1111224;1430011594;williamdunne;Conventions, are, like hard man
1111225;1430011810;trinque;I'd love a proper emacs mode which could more or less "eldoc" postgresql functions
1111226;1430012463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00029773 = 13.904 BTC [+] {2} 
1111227;1430012604;williamdunne;Anyone know a decent footnotes plugin for WP?
1111228;1430012881;williamdunne;Found one
1111229;1430013173;cazalla;williamdunne, qntra uses Civil Footnotes
1111230;1430013911;scoopbot_revived;News! Deloitte: A Bitcoin Successor Is The Future Of Payments URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/deloitte-a-bitcoin-successor-is-the-future-of-payments/
1111231;1430013912;assbot;Deloitte: A Bitcoin Successor Is The Future Of Payments | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HG4Bit )
1111232;1430013927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125100 @ 0.00031142 = 38.9586 BTC [+] {3} 
1111233;1430014143;williamdunne;cazalla: Cheers
1111234;1430014302;decimation;"Mobile payments are a natural extension of the digital lifestyle, while protection against digital theft becomes an imperative for regulatory agencies around the world." < note usg mission creep
1111235;1430014601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.0003083 = 10.8676 BTC [-]
1111236;1430014870;Pierre_Rochard;^ They should start by securing president hussein’s email
1111237;1430014892;Pierre_Rochard;but what do I know, I’m just an accountant
1111238;1430015145;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdxrm46hdk < arm chip with ecc ram (and ecc bus)
1111239;1430015146;assbot;                              TMDXRM46HDK Hercules Development Kit - TMDXRM46HDK - TI Tool Folder                        ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCxNZ0 )
1111240;1430015201;decimation;Pierre_Rochard: regulatory agencies indeed
1111241;1430015615;decimation;asciilifeform: http://opencores.org/news,1420039286 < apparently the openMSP430 was used as the basis for an eu-manufactured rad-hard asic microcontroller for space
1111242;1430015615;assbot;OpenCores ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGaPiw )
1111243;1430015635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.0003083 = 1.2794 BTC [-]
1111244;1430015696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105850 @ 0.00030596 = 32.3859 BTC [-]
1111245;1430016184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73331 @ 0.00031505 = 23.1029 BTC [+]
1111246;1430016245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44491 @ 0.00031723 = 14.1139 BTC [+] {2} 
1111247;1430016676;mircea_popescu;lmao
1111248;1430016680;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is deloitte even
1111249;1430016731;mircea_popescu;hmm, anyone kept in touch with that bravetheworld chick ? danielpb1rron ?
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1111255;1430016784;mircea_popescu;dude...srsly ?
1111256;1430016929;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110745 << i lived in costa rica for a few years, so yeah. but never been much of a coffee drinker, so... whatevs!
1111257;1430016929;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 20:45:01; ben_vulpes: savvy?
1111258;1430016997;mircea_popescu;;;later tell BayAreaCoins prolly later tonight i'd guess.
1111259;1430016997;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1111260;1430017020;mircea_popescu;!up AmbitionzAzARida
1111261;1430017028;mircea_popescu;!up austeritysucks
1111262;1430017060;mircea_popescu;!up itkin-
1111263;1430017076;mircea_popescu;!up maxwell
1111264;1430017090;mircea_popescu;!up PFate_
1111265;1430017101;mircea_popescu;!up SirJacket
1111266;1430017224;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110772 << or, for that matter, http://thewhet.net/2013/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/
1111267;1430017224;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 21:16:50; menahem: seeing as everyone is posting their blog love, i did write this today: http://chedr.ca/2015/04/your-emotions-are-irrelevant-and-youve-missed-the-point/ (brings up mircea_popescu 's discussion on RIPple with W3C)
1111268;1430017225;assbot;Your Feelings are Out to Get You | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGhoBz )
1111269;1430017407;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: In a couple of days could you make your RSS feed show all bitcoin related articles for an hour or so?
1111270;1430017419;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110827 << tell me about it.
1111271;1430017419;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 21:56:01; Naphex: trinque: gentoo doesn't even have iptables defaulted, so as soon as his done he'll end up recompiling
1111272;1430017431;mircea_popescu;i think it does this already.
1111273;1430017446;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/feed/rss/
1111274;1430017446;assbot;Trilema » Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGijSE )
1111275;1430017453;williamdunne;Just shows the last 5
1111276;1430017460;williamdunne;!s library
1111277;1430017461;assbot;405 results for 'library' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=library
1111278;1430017471;mircea_popescu;oh
1111279;1430017485;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111087
1111280;1430017485;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 23:32:46; pete_dushenski: williamdunne mebbe you could have scoopbot_revived post to a page on your site ?
1111281;1430017489;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ shows the lot but i suppose you don't like html cruft ?
1111282;1430017490;assbot;Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGiqNY )
1111283;1430017520;williamdunne;Hmm I can probably deal with it, I'll take a look
1111284;1430017644;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110867 << that's what the ruby on rails folk say too
1111285;1430017644;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 22:03:37; Naphex: asciilifeform: applets are applets and security issues are all around. being a good dev implies taking care with deploying your product
1111286;1430017736;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110883 << ahaha this is a good one
1111287;1430017736;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 22:06:38; asciilifeform: to paraphrase mircea_popescu article, if christ saves in java - let me go straight to hell.
1111288;1430017825;mircea_popescu;http://www.wotbox.com/bot/ << da fuck is this
1111289;1430017826;assbot;::: Wotbox ::: Web Crawler ::: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGjNMz )
1111290;1430017892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00031871 = 20.9074 BTC [+] {2} 
1111291;1430017931;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110915 << i still think this'd all benefit from a lot more documentation.
1111292;1430017931;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 22:14:03; asciilifeform: Naphex: if you're interested in my concept in particular, see article 'don't blame the mice.'
1111293;1430018060;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110943 << but obviously "raw data" is not the only concern. right ?
1111294;1430018060;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 22:28:04; Naphex: anyway, what i was saying is you take steps 'secure' or tape your stuff always, and you don't feed raw data to your apps if you can filter the input beforehand.
1111295;1430018091;*;asciilifeform raises periscope
1111296;1430018100;mircea_popescu;how goes alf
1111297;1430018108;asciilifeform;tired, l0l
1111298;1430018117;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this'd all benefit from a lot more documentation << which 'this'
1111299;1430018139;mircea_popescu;the linked this. "my concept in particular"
1111300;1430018164;mircea_popescu;;;later tell thebutterzone yo, around ?
1111301;1430018165;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1111302;1430018209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: concept alluded to was 'fits in head.' i suppose this is a good time and place to note that it can be accomplished in three basic ways: a) small system b) big head c) powerful hydraulic press
1111303;1430018219;asciilifeform;or any combo of above.
1111304;1430018228;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel
1111305;1430018231;mircea_popescu;dja see where there's a lot more room for documentation ?
1111306;1430018236;asciilifeform;certainly
1111307;1430018254;*;asciilifeform adds 'fits in head' likbez to middle of very long list
1111308;1430018301;gabriel_laddel;About this "don't feed raw data into your app" and "filtering" nonsense - if you're using a language that isn't complete shit you never need to "filter data" (just communicate in sexprs and  (let* ((*read-eval* nil)) ...))
1111309;1430018313;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel has it
1111310;1430018316;gabriel_laddel;you should not have to parse anything - ever
1111311;1430018325;gabriel_laddel;if you are parsing, you're doing it wrong
1111312;1430018361;mircea_popescu;;;later tell sfate hey.
1111313;1430018361;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1111314;1430018369;asciilifeform;(will note, for completeness, that this won't fly on, e.g., embedded chip with 32kB. but most of the usual suspects aren't stuck on one such)
1111315;1430018415;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel perhaps you don't appreciate how deep perl goes, or how unaware perl-people are of their perl-ness.
1111316;1430018444;gabriel_laddel;fuck em?
1111317;1430018470;gabriel_laddel;I mean literally - steal their bitcoin, hack their bank accounts
1111318;1430018477;gabriel_laddel;cause chaos
1111319;1430018493;asciilifeform;'certain languages support serious programmers, and others don't.  e.g., I don't think it is at all possible to become a serious programmer using Visual Basic or Perl.  if you think hard about what Perl code will do on the borders of the known input space, your head will explode.  if you write Perl code to handle input problems gracefully, your programs will become gargantuan: the normal failure mode is to terminate with no id
1111320;1430018493;asciilifeform;ea how far into the process you got or how much of an incomplete task was actually performed.  in my view, serious programmers don't deal with tools that _force_ them to hope everything works.' -- herr naggum who else
1111321;1430018501;mircea_popescu;i think the female reproductive system runs on perl.
1111322;1430018502;mircea_popescu;what now ?
1111323;1430018515;trinque;lotta derps out there that can be taught to better themselves.
1111324;1430018522;trinque;I'm fucking 28 and learning CL *now*
1111325;1430018668;mircea_popescu;i see nobody wishes to engage the cunt problem. but yes, IT DOES RUN ON PERL.
1111326;1430018682;mircea_popescu;and here we are.
1111327;1430018721;gabriel_laddel;in what sense? that it'll accept all sorts of odd inputs?
1111328;1430018723;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111248 < my former employer, was a great firm pre-1930, now just an extension of USG
1111329;1430018723;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 02:51:20; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is deloitte even
1111330;1430018751;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel how familiar with the process are you ? like, for instance, the simple (lol) ShouldAbort() function ?
1111331;1430018773;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard i suppose it's the next head on the chopping block after AA.
1111332;1430018786;gabriel_laddel;I've had sex with a female if that's what you're asking.
1111333;1430018794;mircea_popescu;not at all.
1111334;1430018807;mircea_popescu;think about it : foetuses are sometimes aborted. on the basis of reasons.
1111335;1430018809;mircea_popescu;when ? why ?
1111336;1430018815;Pierre_Rochard;nah they’re too big to fail now, see http://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2015/04/15/ernst-young-settles-new-york-lehman-brothers-repo-105-deals/
1111337;1430018817;assbot;Ernst & Young Settles With New York Over Lehman Brothers Repo 105 Deals - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGnlP0 )
1111338;1430018821;mircea_popescu;pure perl.
1111339;1430018844;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard from what i see (and from what i know of these systems) there's periodically going to be a beheading.
1111340;1430018850;*;asciilifeform tries to picture a variant where 'where, why' is accessible
1111341;1430018863;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is, you can measure a lot about a pregnancy.,
1111342;1430018868;gabriel_laddel;you're talking about the women in question purposefully aborting her pregnancy?
1111343;1430018871;asciilifeform;- with instruments
1111344;1430018874;gabriel_laddel;or miscarriage?
1111345;1430018880;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel no, no, we're talking about the reproductive system itself.
1111346;1430018891;asciilifeform;sure, fella with microscope can sometimes say why eject button got pressed
1111347;1430018904;asciilifeform;but that isn't negating the 'perliness' of the basic apparatus, no ?
1111348;1430018906;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel trisomies are usually aborted. spina bifida usually not. etc.
1111349;1430018911;mircea_popescu;make sense of it, nobel prize is yours.
1111350;1430018939;gabriel_laddel;yeah, I don't see the analogy to perl
1111351;1430018944;mircea_popescu;really ?!
1111352;1430018947;trinque;that nature is filthy hacks upon hacks?
1111353;1430018948;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure the example you cited is immunological
1111354;1430018954;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe.
1111355;1430018955;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: they created PCAOB - para-govt auditor of auditors - to avoid beheadings and only chop off fingers/toes. Beheadings will have to come exogenously. For log, background on lehman accounting fraud: http://drillingthrough.com/lehman/
1111356;1430018956;assbot;Lehman, E&Y, and Repo 105 | Drilling Through ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGnPEP )
1111357;1430018959;asciilifeform;(trisomies trigger tumour response)
1111358;1430018969;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some of them do.
1111359;1430018978;gabriel_laddel;the reason we build abstract machines is because people are not very good at repetitive tasks.
1111360;1430018983;mircea_popescu;iirc they proved some of them actually abord through some oxygenation pathway
1111361;1430018989;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel this is cells.
1111362;1430019000;mircea_popescu;cells are automatons.
1111363;1430019008;gabriel_laddel;yes...?
1111364;1430019019;mircea_popescu;humans don't enter into it, at that level.
1111365;1430019031;gabriel_laddel;people are machines - but computer programs are not people, nor cells.
1111366;1430019041;mircea_popescu;and it's perl for exactly the specified reason, " the normal failure mode is to terminate with no idea how far into the process you got or how much of an incomplete task was actually performed"
1111367;1430019041;gabriel_laddel;we know how to write computer programs such that you don't need regexes.
1111368;1430019052;gabriel_laddel;if you're /ever/ using them, you're doing it wrong.
1111369;1430019058;mircea_popescu;many more similarities (like a pointed lack of sexprs), but let's keep it simple
1111370;1430019067;mircea_popescu;so you're saying cunts are doing it wrong.
1111371;1430019069;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: basic idea, perhaps, is that systems designed 'step at a time' by 'practical types' without any clear line of reason - will converge to resemble meat.
1111372;1430019074;asciilifeform;as per l. lamport's essay
1111373;1430019105;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, idea is that some people who can't even make dragonfly are in a weak position to teach grandmother to suck eggs, as it were.
1111374;1430019112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00031795 = 9.5385 BTC [-]
1111375;1430019140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if we get the stochasticity of meat, we also need to have the wide functional state space of meat.
1111376;1430019146;asciilifeform;one without the other - is drowning in shit.
1111377;1430019162;mircea_popescu;that may be. i'm just pointing out that biology offers a very significant challenge to theoretical cs.
1111378;1430019167;mircea_popescu;in the perl aspect of things.
1111379;1430019173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.0003198 = 15.8781 BTC [+]
1111380;1430019177;gabriel_laddel;This conversation bothers me. We don't understand how to make dragonflies, nor how the reproductive system works. We know how to write computer programs that work - the failing to do the latter correctly is a human failing.
1111381;1430019186;mircea_popescu;is it ?
1111382;1430019187;gabriel_laddel;analogy need not enter into the conversation
1111383;1430019191;gabriel_laddel;it isn't necessary.
1111384;1430019205;mircea_popescu;generally when an analogy need not enter into a conversation, it's a sign the conversation's broken.
1111385;1430019215;gabriel_laddel;der fucking nonsense.
1111386;1430019239;mircea_popescu;and mind you, at issue is not whether we do or don't understand how reproduction works.
1111387;1430019247;mircea_popescu;at issue is that we understand enough to know it runs on perl.
1111388;1430019285;mircea_popescu;which means that as long as you live, you will not live in a clean world.
1111389;1430019294;gabriel_laddel;It doesn't run on "perl" "perl" is a well specified computer program. Meat runs another separate well specified meat program.
1111390;1430019340;gabriel_laddel;which means that as long as you live, you will not live in a clean world. << select portions of humanity have, to varying degrees created "clean" computing.
1111391;1430019351;mircea_popescu;take the simple fact that erycridine lactate  induces abortion in any trimester, and without exception. if this isn't a regex gone wrong, what is ?
1111392;1430019365;mircea_popescu;ethacridine*
1111393;1430019417;gabriel_laddel;regexes are regexes - nothing elese is.
1111394;1430019423;gabriel_laddel;not everything is the same thing.
1111395;1430019425;mircea_popescu;(and if it were so well specified, we'd prolly know a lot more of it than we do)
1111396;1430019440;mircea_popescu;so you dispute that there's ready biologic equivalents of a regexp match ?
1111397;1430019495;mircea_popescu;you are aware organic molecules are actual strings.
1111398;1430019518;gabriel_laddel;I wouldn't dare draw that equivalence without agreeing on a formal definition for regexes and the process in question.
1111399;1430019531;mircea_popescu;how do you define a string ?
1111400;1430019576;mircea_popescu;(this, incidentally, would be the lisp/perl difference imo. lisp does not have strings, perl does not have sexprs. in spite of pretending on each side)
1111401;1430019617;gabriel_laddel;wtf is this. lisp doesn't have strings?
1111402;1430019659;mircea_popescu;if you think about it, you said so yourself. "if you're /ever/ using them, you're doing it wrong."
1111403;1430019660;gabriel_laddel;my first pass at a definition for a string: A string is a collection of characters from an alphabet.
1111404;1430019673;mircea_popescu;organic molecules pass this.
1111405;1430019679;gabriel_laddel;nah - if you're using regexes you're doing it wrong.
1111406;1430019689;mircea_popescu;that's what strings are. "stuff you use regexps on"
1111407;1430019697;gabriel_laddel;nonsense.
1111408;1430019704;gabriel_laddel;I use strings all the time, don't use regexes
1111409;1430019712;mircea_popescu;you're using fake lisp strings.
1111410;1430019722;mircea_popescu;perl people think they're using "structured data" too.
1111411;1430019725;mircea_popescu;it's all strings, but w/e.
1111412;1430019744;gabriel_laddel;they can't do tree traversals on their "structured data"
1111413;1430019750;mircea_popescu;exaclty.
1111414;1430019753;gabriel_laddel;therefore they suck c0cks
1111415;1430019755;mircea_popescu;and you can't do regexp on your "Strings"
1111416;1430019758;mircea_popescu;therefore...
1111417;1430019760;gabriel_laddel;ah, but I can
1111418;1430019766;mircea_popescu;well, "can".
1111419;1430019766;gabriel_laddel;I don't because it's stupid
1111420;1430019769;mircea_popescu;right.
1111421;1430019773;mircea_popescu;why do you think THEY don't ?
1111422;1430019783;gabriel_laddel;because they're mentally defective
1111423;1430019786;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1111424;1430019817;gabriel_laddel;(I'm assuming you're saying "why don't you think they don't - do tree traversals")
1111425;1430019825;mircea_popescu;right.
1111426;1430019837;gabriel_laddel;I should note that "they" (algol programmers) try to add the tree traversal properties of lisp to their languages
1111427;1430019843;gabriel_laddel;in every single language
1111428;1430019848;mircea_popescu;so ?
1111429;1430019852;gabriel_laddel;they all have failed, and will continue to fail
1111430;1430019862;gabriel_laddel;so they waste a lot of effort doing it.
1111431;1430019864;*;mircea_popescu gets a "so ?" gold on black cardboard card
1111432;1430019905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00032074 = 12.589 BTC [+] {3} 
1111433;1430019905;decimation;did I just stumble into an ongoing turing test?
1111434;1430019921;gabriel_laddel;this conversation is going in the direction of "heat death of the universe" so I'll note that companies that use e.g., scala have to hire a lot of people to regin in the complexity inherrent in ALGOL.
1111435;1430019926;mircea_popescu;decimation nah, i'm just being unreasonably heterodox over here.
1111436;1430019934;gabriel_laddel;hence, they waste money
1111437;1430019957;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel this is a very minor point. the chief point, still standing, is that cunts still run on perl. there must be a reason for this.
1111438;1430019958;gabriel_laddel;hence they'll be beaten in the marketplace by yours truly.
1111439;1430019973;mircea_popescu;but even if there isn't a reason for this : it's so deeply baked into the structure of the world, you'll never be free of it.
1111440;1430019985;gabriel_laddel;and...?
1111441;1430019989;mircea_popescu;(because cunts obviously aren't free to choose what they use, so the need for perl must be way deeper than that)
1111442;1430019993;mircea_popescu;that's all, no more.
1111443;1430019997;gabriel_laddel;You'll never be entirely free of idiots
1111444;1430020008;gabriel_laddel;that doesn't mean I should stop "butchering slugs"
1111445;1430020019;decimation;how can anyone even make statements about what the female reproductive/baby system is doing without examining the results in each case, in molecular detail?
1111446;1430020022;mircea_popescu;hey, splay that slit! no argument here.
1111447;1430020023;gabriel_laddel;what aesthetic do you wish to live in?
1111448;1430020027;trinque;fast and loose is fine if the product is somewhat disposable?
1111449;1430020032;mircea_popescu;decimation enough to say "it's doing regexp"
1111450;1430020047;mircea_popescu;trinque except the product of reproduction is perhaps the most expensive thing there is
1111451;1430020052;mircea_popescu;if you look in the proper context.
1111452;1430020068;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: oh, btw thanks for your input on my document
1111453;1430020070;trinque;yes, very expensive to the host body while it's being made
1111454;1430020074;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1111455;1430020078;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel sure. which was this ?
1111456;1430020088;gabriel_laddel;I ended up trolling through gov. documents on the yucca mountain facility (I had previously quoted wikipedia)
1111457;1430020097;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1111458;1430020099;gabriel_laddel;anyways, I ran across lots of juicy information.
1111459;1430020102;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel
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1111461;1430020124;decimation;yucca mountain was a terrible idea, in the sense that storing nuclear waste instead of recycling it into fissile Pu is retarded
1111462;1430020129;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel
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1111464;1430020167;gabriel_laddel;decimation: well, now it is sitting on-site at the 100 reactor sites across the US
1111465;1430020172;mircea_popescu;that whole yucca mountain thing...
1111466;1430020175;gabriel_laddel;in "temporary storage"
1111467;1430020181;gabriel_laddel;forever
1111468;1430020191;trinque;mircea_popescu: seems like systems where there are a variety of ways to solve problems accept that they don't know the "perfect" way, if there is one
1111469;1430020201;trinque;assuming lack of perfect knowledge having multiple things to try seems appropriate
1111470;1430020202;decimation;mainly because jimmy carter banned recycling because it contained the word 'plutonium'
1111471;1430020240;mircea_popescu;trinque the main problem here is that for a large number of solid considerations, lisp would actually be a much better choice. moreover, the space alf referred to is indeed vast, but the processes narrow. in many spots the whole tree converges to a very very narrow bottleneck.
1111472;1430020242;asciilifeform; that may be. i'm just pointing out that biology offers a very significant challenge to theoretical cs. << i must confess, that i am at a loss as to which aspects of meat we should like to replicate in machines: intransigence? toe fungus? pneumonia? schizophrenia?
1111473;1430020251;asciilifeform;seems like we've achieved a great many of these, in the computer...
1111474;1430020264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wasn't going nearly as far as any of that.
1111475;1430020299;mircea_popescu;trinque consider the ridiculous happenstance that all foeti have a god damned lizard tail two weeks in.
1111476;1430020318;trinque;mhm, and gills at some point, or proto-gills
1111477;1430020325;trinque;little blockchains themselves
1111478;1430020332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38360 @ 0.00030596 = 11.7366 BTC [-]
1111479;1430020333;trinque;the whole of evolution unfolding each time
1111480;1430020357;mircea_popescu;not ~quite~
1111481;1430020365;mircea_popescu;broadly speaking, but that's all.
1111482;1430020400;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... there must be a reason for this. << same reason eagle doesn't have jet with afterburner in his arse
1111483;1430020405;mircea_popescu;is it ?
1111484;1430020428;mircea_popescu;anyway i should like to see a schizo computer.
1111485;1430020444;mircea_popescu;could be punishment for the usg twerps. "you now have to program on this"
1111486;1430020457;trinque;I wonder if we'd have done the one with the afterburner having never seen a bird
1111487;1430020462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's so deeply baked into the structure of the world, you'll never be free of it. << johnson noise, shot noise, etc. are intrinsic to electrical circuit. yet we have to sweat and build whole other box to get pc to cough up random bits.
1111488;1430020480;mircea_popescu;trinque nah, it's not energetically efficient. try and power the jet off the bird's diet.
1111489;1430020486;asciilifeform;because designers did practically nuke the analogue soup. (yes, ram failures, etc. exist.)
1111490;1430020506;mircea_popescu;i have no doubt you have still hope alf :)
1111491;1430020566;trinque;mircea_popescu: right, so we're talking about the difference between systems which try to be general solutions to (not sure how to articulate it) vs specific tools which live in a given niche?
1111492;1430020575;trinque;tools vs general meta-tools or something
1111493;1430020576;mircea_popescu;im not even sure.
1111494;1430020580;trinque;me either, lol
1111495;1430020636;asciilifeform;i just can't help but recall kreinin's piece re: how folks who are asking for meat-like architecture 'whether they want a tool, or electronic best friend or sex partner' and asked whether 'they had tried the selection of naturally-occurring ones first'
1111496;1430020655;mircea_popescu;mind that i am not proposing any change here.
1111497;1430020669;mircea_popescu;i am merely pointing out that the perl-bashing has some serious problems in front of it.
1111498;1430020695;trinque;converation with my biz partner comes to mind where he praised this old DOS point of sale
1111499;1430020695;asciilifeform;nature's criterion of 'works' and mine, i will say, are not at all alike.
1111500;1430020716;trinque;he could enter things like   i 52345 s  3  and that would add inventory number whatever to the ticket 2 times
1111501;1430020747;asciilifeform;i don't want to buy the office chair that is successful in cheaply making infinite copies of itself into the aeons. not unless it also parks my arse well.
1111502;1430020758;trinque;and he still claims he's faster on that than any micros shit, ncr, or even more "modern" UI
1111503;1430020776;asciilifeform;trinque: this is not a difficult standard to achieve
1111504;1430020780;trinque;sure
1111505;1430020797;trinque;but you could then go "oh but this is not a general interface with concepts applicable to any UI"
1111506;1430020799;trinque;or something
1111507;1430020805;trinque;seems relevant to the lisp vs perl thing
1111508;1430020807;asciilifeform;trinque: but basic idea is that single-tasking, single-threaded box was inherently responsive
1111509;1430020816;trinque;perl's an interface to a handful of problems, ignores other things
1111510;1430020818;asciilifeform;it -had- to be
1111511;1430020837;trinque;I was for example shocked to find an object system in CL as a layman
1111512;1430020856;trinque;and a few months in I'm pretty sure it has goddamn everything, so to speak
1111513;1430020865;trinque;any "paradigm" of programming you'd like to use
1111514;1430020867;asciilifeform;trinque: because everywhere else on the planet 'object-oriented' is synonymous with 'profound retardation', yes
1111515;1430020882;trinque;yeah, and I went to a school that did C++ and Java, and dropped out of that
1111516;1430020890;gabriel_laddel; seems relevant to the lisp vs perl thing << ummm... the angle I'm attacking this from is that meta-programming is inescapable and sexprs are the only sane way to go unless you want to program forth or APL.
1111517;1430020892;trinque;then went on to do python and ruby in industry
1111518;1430020909;trinque;it's a wonder I can hit the toilet with my ass
1111519;1430020918;gabriel_laddel;we know how ALGOL and meta-programming (tree-traversals) interact
1111520;1430020939;trinque;gabriel_laddel: sure, seems you need code to be data to do metaprogramming well
1111521;1430020960;gabriel_laddel;not only that - you /must/ have a simple parsing algorithm, else upgrades are a bitch
1111522;1430020985;gabriel_laddel;checkout the scala "macro" system sometime.
1111523;1430021010;gabriel_laddel;s-expressions + read tables are the ultimate notational abstraction
1111524;1430021052;trinque;way less mental fatigue looking at them, I've found
1111525;1430021101;trinque;I have to run; cheers
1111526;1430021106;asciilifeform;one observation of mine is that the abstraction that most determines the shape of a program is
1111527;1430021110;asciilifeform;the unavailable one(s).
1111528;1430021135;gabriel_laddel;way less mental fatigue looking at them, I've found << I suppose. One can learn to read most anything. The importance here is the triviality of generating "syntactically correct" program texts.
1111529;1430021137;asciilifeform;think this way - if the problem were entirely contained in an -available- set of abstractions of the language, the program would not need to be written!
1111530;1430021206;asciilifeform;(best program is no program.)
1111531;1430021272;gabriel_laddel;!s brick lisp
1111532;1430021273;assbot;8 results for 'brick lisp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=brick+lisp
1111533;1430021441;gabriel_laddel;While we're here, I'll note that being tied to text (perl) is quite limiting. On CLIM today I can tell any object how to "present" itself, i.e., how to draw itself on the screen. Such a thing is unthinkable in a language based around regexes.
1111534;1430021507;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: it is a mistake to describe perl as 'based on' anything in particular. it is soup, consisting of the entire contents of a crashed delivery van. soup reflective of what is to be found in the author's skullcase.
1111535;1430021526;asciilifeform;this appeals to some people
1111536;1430021532;asciilifeform;for a variety of reasons
1111537;1430021586;asciilifeform;partly because it makes a convincing simulacrum of problem-solving, as (per naggum) hollywood special effects 'may as well be the real thing'
1111538;1430021612;asciilifeform;partly because it allows imbeciles to feel as if they are 'sticking the finger' to those boring 'squares' who actually take the time to think things through
1111539;1430021680;asciilifeform;partly because perl proggies tend to be 'throw-aways' and absolve the author of the burden of actually carrying anything through to completion or (horror) supporting
1111540;1430021712;asciilifeform;but also for many other reasons, which i will not waste readers' time on.
1111541;1430021731;*;gabriel_laddel B.A.D (bitcoin-assets distro) update #1, I just finished rewriting mozrepl in parenscript. Now to cut out extra crud. 
1111542;1430021759;mircea_popescu;trinque re the dos point of sale, best breakfast p[lace here had one, made like 1985 or some shit
1111543;1430021775;asciilifeform;^ it immediately caught my eye when saw it
1111544;1430021785;mircea_popescu; nature's criterion of 'works' and mine << nature's cheaper. you might not get a voice.
1111545;1430021795;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the end, the amoeba get the voice.
1111546;1430021822;mircea_popescu;that's the thing.
1111547;1430021857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118488 @ 0.00029217 = 34.6186 BTC [-]
1111548;1430021888;asciilifeform;but engineers who take an intense interest in 'in the end' tend to build autoguillotines.
1111549;1430021900;asciilifeform;rather than computers
1111550;1430021914;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1111551;1430021926;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel
1111552;1430022040;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110960 << quite possibru.
1111553;1430022040;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 22:32:39; ben_vulpes: there's nothing more undervalued right now than cheap old blades.
1111554;1430022233;asciilifeform;^ speaking of which, is anyone going to splatter out the c3 conversation re: computational sommeliers here ?
1111555;1430022237;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111015 << cooling!
1111556;1430022237;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 22:44:55; decimation: usually with power, bus, network, etc supplied as part of the 'crate'
1111557;1430022245;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: are you ever going to post the Jerusalem follow-up to your Istanbul article?
1111558;1430022246;mircea_popescu;imo cooling was the biggest problem for the damned blades.
1111559;1430022256;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel once i go to jerusalem
1111560;1430022266;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you got a blog neh ?
1111561;1430022273;asciilifeform;l0l
1111562;1430022277;asciilifeform;blog but too few handz
1111563;1430022284;mircea_popescu;"i forgot where i put it "
1111564;1430022300;asciilifeform;'where i should put this?!!!' -- 'borat'
1111565;1430022317;asciilifeform;(scene where he is holding a bad of own shit)
1111566;1430022324;asciilifeform;*bag
1111567;1430022353;mircea_popescu;"this i should put where is ?"
1111568;1430022406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98050 @ 0.00029824 = 29.2424 BTC [+]
1111569;1430022562;asciilifeform;and l0l, apparently no one mentioned the matchsticks. so let this count as mention.
1111570;1430022627;mircea_popescu;the unmentionable matchsticks
1111571;1430022772;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111057 << floating point's just a convention, right ?
1111572;1430022772;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 23:01:04; decimation: unfortunately no floating point unit, but that isn't needed for the target market here
1111573;1430022779;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111123 << to round off that thread, it appears that a secondhand instrument of that type can be had for 10-20k usd, where i live.
1111574;1430022779;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 23:43:06; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110941 << interestingly, i asked about the cost. was told something like '$1m for the old style, 2.5 for the new generation.' fella said this with straight face, too, as if there were nothing remarkable about this factoid.
1111575;1430022846;mircea_popescu;seems nuts. 1% of new price if used ?
1111576;1430022856;asciilifeform;aha. just like the xyz robot i worked with
1111577;1430022857;mircea_popescu;so where's the 300 dollar bmws
1111578;1430022876;asciilifeform;these things deprecate on the 'usg pays maxint, scrap dealer pays 1%' formula.
1111579;1430022887;asciilifeform;that is where the 300 bmw is.
1111580;1430022897;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111076 << that country is france.
1111581;1430022897;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 23:21:58; asciilifeform: i mention it because i can imagine a world where such clocks are considered not only acceptable, but 'state of the art' and 'best practice'
1111582;1430022908;gabriel_laddel;u'u
1111583;1430022909;gabriel_laddel;lol
1111584;1430022918;mircea_popescu;before smartphones, it was not uncommon to stop two people in the street whose clocks were 30 minutes apart.
1111585;1430022964;asciilifeform;there would be a 300 usd bmw if a) 500 people knew of bmw b) machine could only be driven on 100 particular race courses c) by a ph.d. or equiv. d) running on virgin piss
1111586;1430023000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l wut? clock towers existed
1111587;1430023013;asciilifeform;now, lazy people also existed. and still exist
1111588;1430023033;mircea_popescu;virgin piss is not that rare
1111589;1430023035;mircea_popescu;especially in the us.
1111590;1430023039;asciilifeform;l0l
1111591;1430023052;asciilifeform;export market then.
1111592;1430023190;asciilifeform;but back to the machines, because i consider this a mega-educational moment - there are countless instruments where you can pay, e.g., 10k on 'ebay' but you can also pay 800k if you want new, with support contract, for the mandatory softs to not be considered pirated, etc., etc., (most of this is strictly usg)
1111593;1430023238;asciilifeform;the one consumer crud item which (i am told) behaves in a similar way is - diamonds.
1111594;1430023255;*;asciilifeform cannot comment in detail, has no personal experience with then outside of machine shop tooling
1111595;1430023687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00030057 = 16.5163 BTC [+] {3} 
1111596;1430023738;asciilifeform;obligatory:
1111597;1430023739;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqT2uOa1-d0
1111598;1430023740;assbot;The Brave Little Toaster - Worthless (No Interruptions) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxUHch )
1111599;1430023987;mircea_popescu;notbad
1111600;1430024172;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111168 << i lollerd.
1111601;1430024172;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 23:58:40; menahem: And be the Pete the world requires of me"
1111602;1430024192;mircea_popescu;also, behold line 1111111 : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111111
1111603;1430024192;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 23:37:19; williamdunne: It won't cover all of history though, most of the RSS feeds only cover 5-10 posts each
1111604;1430024511;mircea_popescu;ok that bitgo thing was pretty lulzy.
1111605;1430024700;trinque;mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110960 << quite possibru. << http://www.ebay.com/itm/RLX-System-600ex-Xeon-CPU-Blade-2-8GHz-x-2-1GB-60GB-HD-/170369036116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27aac92f54 big time
1111606;1430024700;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 22:32:39; ben_vulpes: there's nothing more undervalued right now than cheap old blades.
1111607;1430024702;assbot; RLX System 600ex Xeon CPU Blade 2.8GHz x 2 1GB 60GB HD  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Or56Rv )
1111608;1430024724;trinque;way better than a piddly ec2 micro/small/medium instance eh?
1111609;1430024733;mircea_popescu;guess so
1111610;1430024852;trinque;seeing elsewhere 10 xeon dell poweredge for $50 per
1111611;1430024863;trinque;next hustle maybe
1111612;1430024923;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111214 << being specific here would be interesting.
1111613;1430024923;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 00:57:29; Naphex: trinque: that's airgapped gpg. you can implement gpg all over. Not sure how much airgapping it helps. A lot of sidechannel attacks comming up nowadays that can grab keys
1111614;1430024924;trinque;re: perl thread RLX control tower was all written in php, could multicast OS images out to 500 blades at once, and lots of other great shit
1111615;1430024965;trinque;this in early 200x
1111616;1430024988;trinque;the puppets and other garbage in the space are still trying to do what they had
1111617;1430024988;mike_c;mircea_popescu: requested changes to wot site are live.
1111618;1430025000;mircea_popescu;mike_c i noticed sorting earlier. pretty cool!
1111619;1430025040;mike_c;oh, except for help text on tooltips on the headers. got to add that.  but yeah, sorting is up, dates don't wrap in the tables anymore, and http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/all-users/
1111620;1430025043;assbot;All WoT Users - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxXbr6 )
1111621;1430025073;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111227 << i use WP-Footnotes4.2 By Simon Elvery.
1111622;1430025073;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 01:43:24; williamdunne: Anyone know a decent footnotes plugin for WP?
1111623;1430025079;mircea_popescu;i suspect everyone using them is using the same
1111624;1430025087;mircea_popescu;!up jayk
1111625;1430025101;jayk;thanks
1111626;1430025109;mike_c;the best footnotes plugin for WP is /dev/null
1111627;1430025124;mircea_popescu;wait wut!
1111628;1430025128;mircea_popescu;footnotes haet ?!
1111629;1430025136;mike_c;hehe.  you get an exception.
1111630;1430025159;mircea_popescu;i am probably the record holder for most footnotes in an article out of the entire interwebs
1111631;1430025164;mike_c;and pete has gotten much better.  but footnotes are dangerous and usually misused.
1111632;1430025168;mircea_popescu;also may be the only one with footnoted footnotes
1111633;1430025222;cazalla;made a irl scoopbot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C21PhQU6tjg (every parent thinks their kid is the smartest but i think this is  good for 15 months)
1111634;1430025223;assbot;scoopbot kid can fetch better than the original - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Or5Kyn )
1111635;1430025273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50443 @ 0.00029179 = 14.7188 BTC [-] {3} 
1111636;1430025337;mircea_popescu;!gettrust Pierre_Rochard
1111637;1430025340;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 4 via 7 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=Pierre_Rochard | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Pierre_Rochard/
1111638;1430025364;mike_c;cazalla: he got three things in a row without crashing.  He's better than all the scoopbots combined :)
1111639;1430025374;mircea_popescu;lmao
1111640;1430025479;mircea_popescu;williamdunne so in retrospect : "immutable, fungible, non-discriminatory, and trustless" is really redundant. fungible includes "non-discriminatory".
1111641;1430025543;jayk;!gettrust jayk
1111642;1430025543;assbot;Trust relationship from user jayk to user jayk: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/jayk/
1111643;1430025594;mircea_popescu;i would suspect maybe trustless is a misnomer. trust is not involved at all, the point is coherence. the system remains coherent, which is to say it does not fork into ambiguous states.
1111644;1430025607;mircea_popescu;maybe the best description would be "immutable, fungible and entropic"
1111645;1430025630;mircea_popescu;because that is the property here : same as entropy, bitcoin lacks the ability to review earlier states on the base of later states.
1111646;1430025711;mircea_popescu;so described, it is rather clear that bitcoin can not in fact exist : immutability and entropy are mutually contradictory.
1111647;1430025803;jayk;is it worth throwing any money at a mining pool these days with bitcoin being flat?
1111648;1430025841;cazalla;jayk, let someone else bare the cost and just buy coins straight up
1111649;1430025865;jayk;better to buy them right now then
1111650;1430025869;cazalla;bear even
1111651;1430025880;jayk;i heard you cant be profitable at $200-250
1111652;1430025972;mircea_popescu;jayk you mean renting hash power ? that was never a good deal.
1111653;1430025982;jayk;nope
1111654;1430025985;jayk;self owned
1111655;1430025993;jayk;i never liked the idea, and BFLY labs tried to do it
1111656;1430026006;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ? you got some miners in garage ?
1111657;1430026011;mircea_popescu;yes turning them on is usually profitable.
1111658;1430026013;jayk;nope, nothing yet
1111659;1430026021;mircea_popescu;then depends what you pay for them.
1111660;1430026031;jayk;or if  you can get them
1111661;1430026048;mircea_popescu;plenty for sale afaik
1111662;1430026055;jayk;seems many places are hard to obtain, and kncminer doesnt sell equip anymore
1111663;1430026093;mircea_popescu;aha
1111664;1430026099;mircea_popescu;"It, together with smart contracts, has been let out of Pandoras Box  never to return, never to be unlearned, no matter how badly some of us might want it to."
1111665;1430026106;mircea_popescu;oh for crying out loud.
1111666;1430026137;mircea_popescu;other things sharing the same properties, "the free lunch", "democracy", "you can do anything" etc.
1111667;1430026182;mircea_popescu;just because particular memes are well suited to the mental vulnerabilities of the early mind and so are noteworthy to educators and psychiatrists does not mean they're also noteworthy to engineers.
1111668;1430026303;mircea_popescu;proof of pizza, for fucks sake. all the money in pizza delivery is the god damned tips. nobody will ever deliver pizza to the sort of idiots who bicker about times randomly. if this is how it went, why not have "proof of latte" to make sure the barrista really did give you the latte.
1111669;1430026315;jayk;there's a website for them
1111670;1430026325;jayk;i got flamed for calling them pizza boy
1111671;1430026330;jayk;:)
1111672;1430026332;mircea_popescu;who, "them"
1111673;1430026341;jayk;the delivery people
1111674;1430026364;mircea_popescu;what should you call them, pizza delivery worker ?
1111675;1430026399;jayk;http://www.tipthepizzaguy.com/discussion/
1111676;1430026400;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxZbj3 )
1111677;1430026414;mircea_popescu;williamdunne "The cost of enforcement of contracts grows over time as an increasing number of loopholes are found - as described in an article by Mircea Popescu" you know you could ~link it~ o.O
1111678;1430026472;jayk;they get really pissy when you address them boy and not man
1111679;1430026515;mircea_popescu;"* Beware of teenagers grouped in twos wearing hooded sweatshirts. Most criminals fit that description"
1111680;1430026525;mircea_popescu;lolk.
1111681;1430026538;mircea_popescu;"Be suspicious of pedestrians when you pull up to a house. Don't open your car door if people are nearby."
1111682;1430026542;mircea_popescu;holy shit what country is this
1111683;1430026629;jayk;i was in a casino with a bandana and i was asked to leave because i appeared to be a frightening gang member
1111684;1430026664;cazalla;jayk, did ya refuse to take it off? bandana is as bad as feet on table tbh
1111685;1430026677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00030347 = 12.7306 BTC [+] {2} 
1111686;1430026741;mircea_popescu;the last time an idiot "asked me to leave" i had the place torched.
1111687;1430026745;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this shit.
1111688;1430026786;cazalla;mircea_popescu, but did ya have ya bandana on with ya feet on the table?
1111689;1430026790;mircea_popescu;mnope
1111690;1430026832;mircea_popescu;i'm really the best customer anyone could ever have. i tip, there's hot chicks, the works.
1111691;1430026840;cazalla;google for "jayk casino bandana" serves up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpDnFPYoWxw
1111692;1430026842;assbot;CASINO(1995) GET YOUR FEET OFF THE TABLE - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Or8xro )
1111693;1430026844;jayk;cazalla: i shaved my head and didn't like the way i looked
1111694;1430026847;mircea_popescu;lol win
1111695;1430026868;mircea_popescu;jayk prolly should have explained your name's pepe.
1111696;1430027087;mircea_popescu;!rate jayk 1 Noob
1111697;1430027087;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/43f3a6bc041631df
1111698;1430027109;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.jayk.1:486e17533db78ce8c35a9aed04ec6c2e015f4f145af1c95a3188b499c90d6515
1111699;1430027109;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for jayk with note: Noob
1111700;1430027143;cazalla;!up jayk
1111701;1430027156;jayk;https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10386752_582362298543805_2330135579441782816_n.jpg?oh=87b63f5732878beee41e6429ce8196b1&oe=55CF0734
1111702;1430027157;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dy0jU0 )
1111703;1430027160;jayk;there's the bandana pic
1111704;1430027172;jayk;though my hair had grown back by then
1111705;1430027194;mircea_popescu;you don't really look like you have any business in a casino...
1111706;1430027204;jayk;is it because
1111707;1430027205;jayk;i...
1111708;1430027214;jayk;look like a duck farmer?
1111709;1430027217;mircea_popescu;lol
1111710;1430027268;cazalla;jayk, i get the bandana, free bird shit but c'mon, take hat/bandana off in a casino or any establishment for that manner
1111711;1430027270;mircea_popescu;williamdunne "inheritence" that takes an a, and moreover, the entire "transfer reputation" thing is muddied at best.
1111712;1430027283;jayk;girls were wearing them
1111713;1430027286;jayk;so why can't i!
1111714;1430027288;jayk;that's sexism man
1111715;1430027290;*;jayk raises hell
1111716;1430027292;cazalla;cause ya don't have tits
1111717;1430027297;jayk;:(
1111718;1430027315;mircea_popescu;this reminds me of scene where chick is told that she has to cover her head in church
1111719;1430027326;mircea_popescu;so she removes her top (was a knotted square thing) and puts it on her head.
1111720;1430027331;mircea_popescu;she is now covered, topless.
1111721;1430027361;jayk;ha
1111722;1430027370;mircea_popescu;they nearly fell over.
1111723;1430027381;jayk;that's a good reason to go to a gay bar with your hot gf
1111724;1430027391;jayk;hot lesbo chicks will lift up their shirts
1111725;1430027396;jayk;trying to get your gf's attn
1111726;1430027397;mircea_popescu;was some derpy greek orthodox thing on some island.
1111727;1430027470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00028967 = 10.3267 BTC [-]
1111728;1430027472;mircea_popescu;lesbianism is just shy foreplay anyway.
1111729;1430027501;cazalla;greek orthodox eh, sure not latvian orthodox?
1111730;1430027519;jayk;its generally not difficult to bum some action off a lesbian
1111731;1430027532;jayk;my ex-gf's sister's gf had never seen a penis before
1111732;1430027568;mircea_popescu;cazalla what, you think greek orthodoxy's made up ?
1111733;1430027594;mircea_popescu;"Unfortunately unlike Bitcoin there is no reputation Trezor." << a) trezor's kinda dysfunctional/derpy ; b) of course there is. airgapped gpg.
1111734;1430027617;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i guess so, figured you had the kavorka yourself but guess not :P
1111735;1430027625;mircea_popescu;jayk so how did she know she was a lesbian ?
1111736;1430027644;mircea_popescu;cazalla it's a thing, greece has > 9k islands, about half of them have a church on
1111737;1430027662;*;cazalla is drinking and talking shheeeiit
1111738;1430027714;cazalla;;;ud kavorka
1111739;1430027715;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kavorka | (Pronounced Kah-vor-kah) The Kavorka is a word which originated from the Latvian Orthodox. It means "the lure of the animal". It is described as a curse, making ...
1111740;1430027728;jayk;she was dating my ex-gf's sister and had never been with a man, and told me she had never seen a penis before
1111741;1430027737;jayk;so i took her to the beach and we stripped down
1111742;1430027757;cazalla;jayk, beach sex is the shittiest sex in my experience
1111743;1430027769;cazalla;literal sand in vag
1111744;1430027795;cazalla;what a fucking scam hollywood has going with the idea that sex on the beach is hawt
1111745;1430027796;mircea_popescu;yeah not great.
1111746;1430027809;mircea_popescu;cazalla sex in tub not much better.
1111747;1430027814;jayk;there are grassy parts
1111748;1430027814;jayk;lol
1111749;1430027822;mircea_popescu;but hey, they got all these things because can't show fucking on tv, because usians are retards.
1111750;1430027871;midnightmagic;+1 shitty on beach :-/
1111751;1430027884;midnightmagic;wind, water, and sand, all crappy
1111752;1430027889;mircea_popescu;wait, you got sex in canada ?! and beaches ?!
1111753;1430027897;midnightmagic;so they tell me
1111754;1430027901;jayk;it ain't ideal, but would you turn it down with a lesbian?
1111755;1430027927;mircea_popescu;i turn down so much sex...
1111756;1430027948;cazalla;mircea_popescu, ya the taps, hitting ya head on that shit ain't fun
1111757;1430027999;jayk;mirc...you are different...a romanian charlie sheen
1111758;1430028028;cazalla;jayk, ya mean real butch lesbian types that ya can't get hard for or pretend 16 year old lesbian to get your attention so you fuck her straight?
1111759;1430028039;jayk;she was pretty hot with big tits
1111760;1430028040;cazalla;which are usually "bi" anyway
1111761;1430028050;mircea_popescu;sounds more like the latter.
1111762;1430028062;jayk;i've tried to find her on fb but i dont know what happened to her
1111763;1430028098;jayk;ran away to saskatoon
1111764;1430028127;mircea_popescu;" off the top of my head the United Kingdom, South Africa, Singapore, India, and China have instant and cheap (in many cases free) bank transfer systems." << nonsense. your example is SEPA. rest sucks by comparison. (or gyropay before that).
1111765;1430028140;mircea_popescu;anyway williamdunne i see what you meant by "not as eloquent" :D
1111766;1430028148;mircea_popescu;the good news being that if you stick to it, it'll improve.
1111767;1430028171;jayk;are there any places that do instant ACH?
1111768;1430028175;mircea_popescu;now do me a personal favour and ditch that retarded disqus thing
1111769;1430028215;mircea_popescu;"We're going to co-opt the technology, OK? End. Of. Story." lolk.
1111770;1430028352;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot menahem
1111771;1430028352;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user menahem: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=menahem | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/menahem/
1111772;1430028375;mircea_popescu;!rate menahem 1 New blood
1111773;1430028375;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d88c2adde0ca36f1
1111774;1430028401;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.menahem.1:ef600b5ecdbf4fb4fc6975db6a8a625a670ccde4c18d5e5462f354dbec68aadb
1111775;1430028401;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for menahem with note: New blood
1111776;1430028522;mircea_popescu;;;later tell menahem you really don't know how to bother girls.
1111777;1430028523;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1111778;1430029787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54534 @ 0.00030536 = 16.6525 BTC [+]
1111779;1430030885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 28440 @ 0.00004019 = 1.143 BTC [-] {5} 
1111780;1430031129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10266 @ 0.00031267 = 3.2099 BTC [+]
1111781;1430031373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119850 @ 0.00031119 = 37.2961 BTC [-] {2} 
1111782;1430031983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118143 @ 0.00031443 = 37.1477 BTC [+] {2} 
1111783;1430032800;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7cgLu0PuQo
1111784;1430032802;assbot;Richard Cheese - My Neck, My Back - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qvn5F1 )
1111785;1430032837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31441 @ 0.00031479 = 9.8973 BTC [+]
1111786;1430032898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56086 @ 0.00031789 = 17.8292 BTC [+] {2} 
1111787;1430033386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00032004 = 15.3779 BTC [+]
1111788;1430034810;cazalla;;;later tell bingoboingo what website does this one https://bitcoinnewsmagazine.com/ remind you of?
1111789;1430034812;assbot;Bitcoin News Magazine - Cryptocurrency News and Reviews ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnvLsF )
1111790;1430034812;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1111791;1430034846;cazalla;or anyone else for that matter
1111792;1430034876;mircea_popescu;random shitty boost thing ?
1111793;1430036253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00029404 = 15.4224 BTC [-]
1111794;1430037119;Naphex;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111612 << See: http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/handsoff/ / https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2013-December/028102.html for the acoustic side channel fix
1111795;1430037119;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 05:08:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111214 << being specific here would be interesting.
1111796;1430037120;assbot;Get Your Hands Off My Laptop ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1M0ug )
1111797;1430037120;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1M2lU )
1111798;1430037432;Naphex;mircea_popescu: https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/161.pdf for bitcoin related sidechans
1111799;1430037435;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1Mocb )
1111800;1430038512;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111584 <<< never happened to me
1111801;1430038512;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 04:35:18; mircea_popescu: before smartphones, it was not uncommon to stop two people in the street whose clocks were 30 minutes apart.
1111802;1430038568;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111529 <<< if it's a set you still need to stitch them together
1111803;1430038568;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 04:05:37; asciilifeform: think this way - if the problem were entirely contained in an -available- set of abstractions of the language, the program would not need to be written!
1111804;1430038998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111694 @ 0.00028898 = 32.2773 BTC [-] {3} 
1111805;1430039181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97418 @ 0.00030103 = 29.3257 BTC [+] {2} 
1111806;1430039364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94500 @ 0.00032102 = 30.3364 BTC [+] {2} 
1111807;1430040035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00031862 = 6.6592 BTC [-]
1111808;1430040765;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111677 <<< Originally it was linked in the footnotes, not sure what happened to that. I'll add it again later
1111809;1430040765;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 05:33:34; mircea_popescu: williamdunne "The cost of enforcement of contracts grows over time as an increasing number of loopholes are found - as described in an article by Mircea Popescu" you know you could ~link it~ o.O
1111810;1430040765;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111640 <<< To the layman it seems they would be different. Assuming you're a fairly boring person as far as you're concerned dollars are pretty fungible (obviously not entirely and dependent on payment system), but they're not even close to non-discriminatory. I guess the difference IMO is between 1 btc = 1 btc, and anyone and everyone being able to have 'a
1111811;1430040765;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 05:17:59; mircea_popescu: williamdunne so in retrospect : "immutable, fungible, non-discriminatory, and trustless" is really redundant. fungible includes "non-discriminatory".
1111812;1430040765;williamdunne;bitcoin account' if you will.
1111813;1430041133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00032138 = 21.9824 BTC [+] {3} 
1111814;1430041276;Naphex;!rate fluffypony 2 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c479d5a2f2e4c3ba71a05a521eb58cd80bebebf35f842bbc4730962b
1111815;1430041276;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d99af9649c5c4b47
1111816;1430041373;Naphex;!rate fluffypony  2 Riccardo Spagni of #b-a/monero. Responsible for OpenAlias which kicks ass
1111817;1430041373;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
1111818;1430041388;Naphex;!rate fluffypony 2 Riccardo Spagni of #b-a/monero. Responsible for OpenAlias which kicks ass
1111819;1430041388;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/79bff65c1be218b8
1111820;1430041439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70182 @ 0.00031862 = 22.3614 BTC [-]
1111821;1430041471;Naphex;!rate williamdunne 1 young climbing up
1111822;1430041471;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7cf372e691fe349f
1111823;1430041480;Naphex;!rate williamdunne 1 young and climbing up
1111824;1430041480;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f71f3a1c1344a9d0
1111825;1430041738;kakobrekla;what is this monero bs in ba
1111826;1430041752;kakobrekla;why better
1111827;1430041876;Naphex;!rate -10 HoreaV Horea Vuscan former 'CEO' of BTCXchange.ro. Overall scammer and crook. Avoid!
1111828;1430041876;assbot;-10 is not registered in WoT.
1111829;1430041885;Naphex;!rate HoreaV -10 Horea Vuscan former 'CEO' of BTCXchange.ro. Overall scammer and crook. Avoid!
1111830;1430041885;assbot;HoreaV is not registered in WoT.
1111831;1430041903;punkman;g'day asseteers
1111832;1430042024;punkman;http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121551/bot-bubble-click-farms-have-inflated-social-media-currency
1111833;1430042025;assbot;The Bot Bubble: Click Farms Have Inflated Social Media Currency | The New Republic ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1Svx5 )
1111834;1430042048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123400 @ 0.00032214 = 39.7521 BTC [+] {3} 
1111835;1430042078;punkman;http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2015/04/bot_makes_2_4_million_reading_twitter_meet_the_guy_it_cost_a_fortune.html
1111836;1430042080;assbot;Bot makes $2.4 million reading the Web: Meet the guy it cost a fortune. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1SARk )
1111837;1430042181;punkman;http://wp.newrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Richard-on-Bed-of-SIM-Cards-Color.jpg "The main limiting factor for his business is a somewhat unpredictable supply of SIM cards."
1111838;1430042183;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1SKsa )
1111839;1430044549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00032355 = 7.3122 BTC [+] {2} 
1111840;1430045281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23164 @ 0.00031877 = 7.384 BTC [-]
1111841;1430045586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102000 @ 0.00032355 = 33.0021 BTC [+]
1111842;1430046013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17079 @ 0.00031877 = 5.4443 BTC [-]
1111843;1430046083;davout;jurov_ you manage the mailing list amirite?
1111844;1430047782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91600 @ 0.00030816 = 28.2275 BTC [-]
1111845;1430047843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00030816 = 8.8596 BTC [-]
1111846;1430049104;scoopbot_revived;News! Short Term Update URL: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/short-term-update-21/
1111847;1430049105;assbot;Short Term Update | Bitcoin Trading Signals ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjHGYq )
1111848;1430050222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90300 @ 0.00030816 = 27.8268 BTC [-]
1111849;1430051137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62718 @ 0.00030254 = 18.9747 BTC [-]
1111850;1430051442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82950 @ 0.00030281 = 25.1181 BTC [+]
1111851;1430051503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00030281 = 12.1124 BTC [+]
1111852;1430052361;mircea_popescu;Naphex that's consumer level stuff.
1111853;1430052539;mircea_popescu;;;later tell williamdunne explain this difference between "1 btc = 1 btc" and "anyone and everyone being able to have a bitcoin wallet".
1111854;1430052539;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1111855;1430052579;mircea_popescu;fluffypony "Secure connection: fatal error (80) from server. https://openalias.org/ An internal error occurred."
1111856;1430052580;assbot;OpenAlias - Simplifying the World ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMR8hI )
1111857;1430052596;fluffypony;wup wup
1111858;1430052616;fluffypony;works for assbot
1111859;1430052620;fluffypony;and for me
1111860;1430052637;fluffypony;I'm guessing the CloudFlare node you're hitting is being wonky
1111861;1430052662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00031259 = 22.3502 BTC [+]
1111862;1430052698;fluffypony;it's a static site, so just use the archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20150403023536/https://openalias.org/
1111863;1430052700;assbot;OpenAlias - Simplifying the World ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMRnZX )
1111864;1430052761;mircea_popescu;$ curl https://openalias.org/
1111865;1430052761;assbot;OpenAlias - Simplifying the World ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMR8hI )
1111866;1430052761;mircea_popescu;curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure
1111867;1430052781;mircea_popescu;what the hell ssl be you using
1111868;1430052912;fluffypony;Quallys gives it an A+
1111869;1430052917;fluffypony;https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=openalias.org&s=104.28.14.44&latest
1111870;1430052918;assbot;SSL Server Test: openalias.org (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs) ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMRIvZ )
1111871;1430052925;mircea_popescu;fluffypony that aside, how does this thing solve situatiosn where dns zones are ambiguous ? (say registrar and host don't match)
1111872;1430052964;fluffypony;the registrar doesn't set DNS records, necessarily, only what the nameservers are (ie. SOA)
1111873;1430052979;mircea_popescu;right
1111874;1430052987;mircea_popescu;but it might.
1111875;1430053003;fluffypony;since DNSSEC follows a signature chain back to the root zone your ISP's DNS server can't fake the record
1111876;1430053007;mircea_popescu;(im still trying to understand exactly how this works)
1111877;1430053008;fluffypony;or even pretend it doesn't exist
1111878;1430053015;mircea_popescu;right.
1111879;1430053062;fluffypony;that said, a DNSSEC fail is a soft fail (as not all zones support DNSSEC at this stage) - so it'll present the address for user validation
1111880;1430053081;mircea_popescu;so it can't be used in unattended systems ?
1111881;1430053106;fluffypony;as long as it treats a DNSSEC as a hard fail it can
1111882;1430053116;mircea_popescu;"By leveraging DNSSEC we are able to prevent MITM-style attacks on an alias." doesn't tell me very much.
1111883;1430053133;fluffypony;ok
1111884;1430053141;mircea_popescu;"What is OpenAlias? OpenAlias seeks to provide a way to simplify aliasing amidst a rapidly shifting technology climate. " << i mean come on.
1111885;1430053153;mircea_popescu;you folk gotta hire someone to do proper tech writing. there's nothing wrong with having sales copy,
1111886;1430053160;mircea_popescu;but i gotta be able to figure out what stuff is too!
1111887;1430053187;fluffypony;then skip the About section, that's all sales blurb :-P
1111888;1430053197;mircea_popescu;ok but skip to where
1111889;1430053205;fluffypony;Implement
1111890;1430053254;mircea_popescu;ie "What is the application-side process?" ?
1111891;1430053301;fluffypony;that's what you would do in your application if you were implementing lookups
1111892;1430053322;fluffypony;or just run this: https://github.com/openalias/openalias-api
1111893;1430053323;assbot;openalias/openalias-api · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMSngJ )
1111894;1430053347;fluffypony;(preferably with dnscrypt-proxy running, and point it at that)
1111895;1430053504;mircea_popescu;mkay. well i'm exiting this process with message "a project to provide bitcoin-deanonymizers with a domain-address pairing method, powered by the general public's expectations of convenience and lack of expectation of guarantees" which sums up to "fluff".
1111896;1430053541;fluffypony;yes, hence why it was originally created for Monero, where your address is reusable
1111897;1430053571;mircea_popescu;so if i posion dns cache, can i also steal payments for that domain ?
1111898;1430053576;fluffypony;nope
1111899;1430053586;fluffypony;not unless you have their DNSSEC private keys
1111900;1430053595;mircea_popescu;suppose i do.
1111901;1430053611;mircea_popescu;because you know, usg keeps a master key, or so the rumour goes.
1111902;1430053640;fluffypony;well they could always use Namecoin instead
1111903;1430053673;mircea_popescu;the complexity brtought about any attempt to implement "convenience" is outright staggering huh.
1111904;1430053675;mircea_popescu;but anyway.
1111905;1430053684;fluffypony;https://api.dnschain.net/v1/namecoin/key/d%2Farux
1111906;1430053685;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8lOi3 )
1111907;1430053722;mircea_popescu;for that matter
1111908;1430053726;mircea_popescu;;;isup http://www.dnssec.net/
1111909;1430053727;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8lYpE )
1111910;1430053727;gribble;http://www.dnssec.net/ is up
1111911;1430053730;mircea_popescu;o.O
1111912;1430053735;mircea_popescu;doth not respond
1111913;1430053823;fluffypony;doesn't work for me either
1111914;1430053846;*;mircea_popescu shakes hand
1111915;1430053882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122300 @ 0.00030254 = 37.0006 BTC [-]
1111916;1430053901;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111833 << lmao No ?! ?! ?! could this be possibru ?!?!
1111917;1430053901;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 09:53:45; assbot: The Bot Bubble: Click Farms Have Inflated Social Media Currency | The New Republic ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1Svx5 )
1111918;1430054246;mircea_popescu;and in the lines of drama : a few years ago the ro education ministry failed utterly at publishing natl highschool exams. so i hacked their shit and published the lists.
1111919;1430054259;mircea_popescu;that's what'ever 100k kids, most of which idiots, names and all.
1111920;1430054289;mircea_popescu;now there's about one a week bitching about how you know, this shouldn't exist!!11
1111921;1430054317;mircea_popescu;most recently, http://trilema.com/2011/rezultate-la-bacalaureat-sesiunea-iunie-2011-judetul-tulcea/#comment-113907 "these information WERE of public interest but through the passage of time 'have become' private"
1111922;1430054317;assbot;Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Tulcea on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8oBYp )
1111923;1430054318;mircea_popescu;fancy that!
1111924;1430054359;mircea_popescu;im gonna erase history to satisfy the hopes and aspirations of the subhuman horde five minutes after i gangbang literal sows.
1111925;1430054374;mircea_popescu;how about you know, doing a good fucking job at the exam, so you don't have to be ashamed of it a few years later.
1111926;1430054408;mircea_popescu;dude is all "anyone can search and find out someone's marks, ~which do not represent the value of the respective person~".
1111927;1430054431;mircea_popescu;why not ? cause fucktard so decided! nothing negative could ever represent these idiots' "twu vawue".
1111928;1430054736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42650 @ 0.0003096 = 13.2044 BTC [+]
1111929;1430054798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65800 @ 0.00031334 = 20.6178 BTC [+] {2} 
1111930;1430055285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73350 @ 0.00031828 = 23.3458 BTC [+]
1111931;1430055468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00031828 = 15.914 BTC [+]
1111932;1430058419;scoopbot_revived;News! Female sexuality, human sexuality. URL: http://trilema.com/2015/female-sexuality-human-sexuality/
1111933;1430058420;assbot;Female sexuality, human sexuality. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0AqzZ )
1111934;1430059494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39861 @ 0.00031291 = 12.4729 BTC [-]
1111935;1430059611;menahem;mircea_popescu thanks for the vote of confidence.
1111936;1430059612;menahem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111775
1111937;1430059612;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 06:06:41; assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for menahem with note: New blood
1111938;1430059625;menahem;as for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111776
1111939;1430059625;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 06:08:42; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell menahem you really don't know how to bother girls.
1111940;1430059629;menahem;lolol
1111941;1430059685;menahem;i didn't know how far I should push it - mention her on twitter, etc.. maybe best to leave the heavy hand to you ?  i'm too much of a luvva.  but maybe my definition of luvvin is wrong.
1111942;1430060371;menahem;!rate mircea_popescu 2 bitcoin sage. pimp of all pimps.
1111943;1430060371;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/661d3cdca944b6aa
1111944;1430060371;mircea_popescu;im trying to remember now what this was about
1111945;1430060402;mircea_popescu;oh
1111946;1430060413;mircea_popescu;!up gina
1111947;1430060430;menahem;!v assbot:menahem.rate.mircea_popescu.2:7cc82d0435c8ff1762d08246dbadfdf1fd432f6719194f70ecaa5bf6457e89e4
1111948;1430060430;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: bitcoin sage. pimp of all pimps.
1111949;1430060432;mircea_popescu;"This took a bit for the stupidity to really sink in.  Like, sink sink in.  Her comment I have to say I dont really appreciate reading something like that and would prefer a much more constructive discussion about web payments is the absolute peak of the stupidity. " << this was the problem
1111950;1430060439;mircea_popescu;makes no sense.
1111951;1430060464;menahem;hmm
1111952;1430060467;menahem;lemme re-read
1111953;1430060510;mircea_popescu;for one thing, it isn't the peak of stupidty. for the other thing, making pronouncements like that dun work. you gotta show, not tell.
1111954;1430060603;menahem;ok. would a comparative example work ?
1111955;1430060612;menahem;to show ?
1111956;1430060614;mircea_popescu;like how ?
1111957;1430060698;mircea_popescu;here's another thing that doesn't work : "The worst part, is Torrie Fischer is competent with PGP 4.  My advice to her, is" << the problem being that i can readily see her cv, but i don't see yours. from whence do you give her advice ? this jars.
1111958;1430060724;menahem;hmm, often in your posts you provide a secondary story.  in this case (RIPple), the congenital defect.  which is often my visual takeaway on your point.
1111959;1430060734;menahem;ahh k, fair enough on last point.
1111960;1430060775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54939 @ 0.00031291 = 17.191 BTC [-]
1111961;1430060778;mircea_popescu;menahem "like how?" as in, show me how it would go. quote this putative comparative exampler ?
1111962;1430061507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00031408 = 5.8576 BTC [+] {2} 
1111963;1430061629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 223400 @ 0.00030676 = 68.5302 BTC [-] {4} 
1111964;1430061696;menahem;show me how it would go... is that a 'constructive discussion' by her definition ?
1111965;1430061781;asciilifeform;further c3ism: anyone posted a summary of the 'fuel filters' conversation ?
1111966;1430062240;menahem;i gotta go.. thanks for time + insight thus far.
1111967;1430064924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134350 @ 0.00029933 = 40.215 BTC [-] {3} 
1111968;1430065103;jurov;davout: yes, i do the btc-dev list
1111969;1430065930;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope
1111970;1430066387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.00030271 = 18.2231 BTC [+]
1111971;1430066843;jurov;!up Cory
1111972;1430066847;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111853 <<< There is a night club with free drinks, but only if you can get past the bounder
1111973;1430066847;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 12:48:59; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell williamdunne explain this difference between "1 btc = 1 btc" and "anyone and everyone being able to have a bitcoin wallet".
1111974;1430066852;williamdunne;*bouncer
1111975;1430066936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110050 @ 0.00029349 = 32.2986 BTC [-] {3} 
1111976;1430067074;asciilifeform;and "anyone and everyone being able to have a bitcoin wallet" << l0l, no computer needed, aha
1111977;1430067094;asciilifeform;(sign tx with paper & pen ?)
1111978;1430067145;williamdunne;Sure, it doesn't care who you are so long as you have keys and the ability to sign
1111979;1430067165;williamdunne;Which is very different to say, requiring you to be of a certain nationality, not be doing certain types of business etc
1111980;1430067200;asciilifeform;aha context must've been a comparison with fiat?
1111981;1430067218;williamdunne;If a club lets anyone in, so long as they can travel to the club its not exactly discriminatory, just a matter of practicality
1111982;1430067224;williamdunne;Correct
1111983;1430067973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00030437 = 14.5489 BTC [+] {2} 
1111984;1430068303;mircea_popescu;williamdunne essentially, "fungible" and "non discriminatory" are the same thing.
1111985;1430068310;mircea_popescu;if your coin is not fungible you're discriminating
1111986;1430068318;mircea_popescu;if you're discriminating your coin's not fungible.
1111987;1430068341;williamdunne;Sure no, but most people would call dollars fungible - even though they certainly are not
1111988;1430068358;williamdunne;Maybe I'm trying to pander to most people too much
1111989;1430068445;mircea_popescu;anyway, general point stands.
1111990;1430068591;williamdunne;Definitely, just working on getting the library working
1111991;1430068601;williamdunne;#b-a library ofc
1111992;1430068705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81654 @ 0.00030676 = 25.0482 BTC [+]
1111993;1430068889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142900 @ 0.00031134 = 44.4905 BTC [+]
1111994;1430069152;williamdunne;Naphex: Thanks for the rate
1111995;1430071306;scoopbot_revived;News! Furious Seven URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/26/furious-seven/
1111996;1430071308;assbot;Furious Seven | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzpuWe )
1111997;1430071755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6030 @ 0.00030667 = 1.8492 BTC [-]
1111998;1430072081;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111771 << the first link does not work from public log because of some weird character
1111999;1430072081;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 06:05:52; assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user menahem: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=menahem | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/menahem/
1112000;1430072121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22644 @ 0.00031134 = 7.05 BTC [+]
1112001;1430072230;ben_vulpes; ... btcalpha << ty kako!
1112002;1430072243;danielpbarron;also, links with capital letters do not work
1112003;1430072279;danielpbarron;!gettrust Naphex
1112004;1430072280;assbot;Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=danielpbarron&to=Naphex | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Naphex/
1112005;1430072288;danielpbarron;!gettrust naphex
1112006;1430072289;assbot;Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=danielpbarron&to=naphex | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/naphex/
1112007;1430072337;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mike_c ^^
1112008;1430072337;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1112009;1430072598;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/uncledynamite/status/592388957201166337
1112010;1430072600;assbot;your turn billy http://t.co/dhBjFcF06F
1112011;1430072627;Pierre_Rochard;!rate williamdunne 1 revived scoopbot
1112012;1430072627;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8e6665b35e9fe5e0
1112013;1430072641;Pierre_Rochard;!v assbot:Pierre_Rochard.rate.williamdunne.1:0a171d14955bc7ad814bf5aca105cb7a0324697471922db6349da4d27aa5066a
1112014;1430072641;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for williamdunne with note: revived scoopbot
1112015;1430072791;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111518 << come peacetime we can make a monastery
1112016;1430072791;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 04:01:49; trinque: it's a wonder I can hit the toilet with my ass
1112017;1430072814;ben_vulpes;first three months will be dedicated to sweeping floors and staring at a brick "lisp machine"
1112018;1430072830;ben_vulpes;engaging in koan volleys
1112019;1430072926;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111548 << like that cemetary caretaker, eh?
1112020;1430072926;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 04:18:08; asciilifeform: but engineers who take an intense interest in 'in the end' tend to build autoguillotines.
1112021;1430072928;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.williamdunne.2:784f6dad632657543840ccf0dcba845b0e879f505eb81f8fcaa7aaba80ecb2dc
1112022;1430072928;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for williamdunne with note: formerly mrwdunne with rating +1 : May 23, 2014 chatted with me in the counterwallet troll box; patient fellow.
1112023;1430072965;williamdunne;Thank you Pierre and Daniel
1112024;1430073016;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.mrwdunne:5e0a71014684089ab1c6e788cccd8bb68ea6206d4849295550b4da98bda91fcd
1112025;1430073016;assbot;Successfully unrated mrwdunne
1112026;1430073016;williamdunne;!rate Pierre_Rochard 2 Work at SNI, great articles
1112027;1430073016;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/afa6b0fd0f7968b0
1112028;1430073030;williamdunne;!rate Pierre_Rochard 2 Work at SNI, great articles
1112029;1430073030;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6b6e404c8c91fbbc
1112030;1430073068;williamdunne;!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.Pierre_Rochard.2:8d6d6b787cedef3421140d9a006a95197fd585085a8f816afbbf1ec65bdc9e28
1112031;1430073068;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for Pierre_Rochard with note: Work at SNI, great articles
1112032;1430073114;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111569 << i've mentioned them several times, just...everyone's blocking them out
1112033;1430073114;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 04:29:22; asciilifeform: and l0l, apparently no one mentioned the matchsticks. so let this count as mention.
1112034;1430073116;williamdunne;!rate danielpbarron 2 While may have some strong opinions I disagree with, would trust him
1112035;1430073116;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/756c5474c290d834
1112036;1430073122;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: can you see the fnords, though?
1112037;1430073129;danielpbarron;what opinions do you disagree with?
1112038;1430073142;williamdunne;!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.danielpbarron.2:6bf39732a1cd1dfac708d3310d855f22aa74d10f9a43d6c231a246654aaa7f73
1112039;1430073143;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for danielpbarron with note: While may have some strong opinions I disagree with, would trust him
1112040;1430073169;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Religious ones mostly, nothing we will sway each other from
1112041;1430073200;danielpbarron;ah
1112042;1430073363;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111575 << the UP20s go for 15-35K used, depending on how nice they are:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motoman-UP-20-Industrieroboter-20kg-Tragkraft-/131480057745?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e9cd27791
1112043;1430073363;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 04:34:06; mircea_popescu: seems nuts. 1% of new price if used ?
1112044;1430073364;assbot; Motoman Up 20 Industrieroboter 20kg Tragkraft | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dq7dtg )
1112045;1430073456;danielpbarron;I made changes to this page regarding the switch from gribble to assbot -> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1112046;1430073457;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SsCt )
1112047;1430073781;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111733 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-04-2015#1110717 poor kid's getting it coming and going
1112048;1430073781;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 05:53:14; mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately unlike Bitcoin there is no reputation Trezor." << a) trezor's kinda dysfunctional/derpy ; b) of course there is. airgapped gpg.
1112049;1430073781;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 20:37:37; ben_vulpes: http://thethug.life/reputation-commodity-exchange/#fn:1 << bro do you even airgap?
1112050;1430074073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71900 @ 0.00030696 = 22.0704 BTC [-]
1112051;1430074073;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111681 << I was once a pizza delivery guy, and refused to make a delivery to one house in particular that was only accessible through a labyrinth of junk leading to its backyard
1112052;1430074073;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 05:35:38; mircea_popescu: "Be suspicious of pedestrians when you pull up to a house. Don't open your car door if people are nearby."
1112053;1430074096;ben_vulpes; [11:50] News! Short Term Update URL: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/short-term-update-21/ << to bitcoin-pricetalk with ye
1112054;1430074097;assbot;Short Term Update | Bitcoin Trading Signals ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3ZYQW )
1112055;1430074988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00030667 = 8.0194 BTC [-]
1112056;1430076269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82550 @ 0.00030667 = 25.3156 BTC [-]
1112057;1430076818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.00030696 = 19.2464 BTC [+] {2} 
1112058;1430076934;jurov;;;later tell pete_dushenski title pic of contravex is quite a hog and despite the size still has jpg artifacts, i'd recommend converting original to png and running through pngquant
1112059;1430076934;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1112060;1430076964;jurov;that's me procrastinating by running pnquant on stuff....
1112061;1430077073;jurov;also, yest log featurng Naphex is yummy :)
1112062;1430077171;williamdunne;I'm currently in the process of over-engineering SccopBot while adding the library features, any requests for features?
1112063;1430077213;jurov;add s/bitcoin/buttcoin
1112064;1430077218;jurov;filter
1112065;1430077306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66092 @ 0.00030667 = 20.2684 BTC [-]
1112066;1430077308;jurov;but really, maybe a function to add feeds by lordship?
1112067;1430077341;jurov;(jus' to have you develop asswot interface i can snitch :DDD)
1112068;1430077370;BingoBoingo;cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110314 <<< this is just the default manner wordpress creates an archive page, i think, unless bb made changes << Borrowed the code from a plugin. Same style also used on thedrinkingrecord
1112069;1430077370;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 18:27:00; mircea_popescu: cazalla dude the http://qntra.net/archives/ page kicks ass.
1112070;1430077491;williamdunne;jurov: How would I scrape the lordship? Isn't it decided by more than just rep?
1112071;1430077519;williamdunne;jurov: AssWot is just a bunch of JSON data - shouldn't be too hard for you to implement, no?
1112072;1430077532;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: It's entirely assbot's L1 trustlist
1112073;1430077545;williamdunne;Ahhh that makes sense
1112074;1430077549;jurov;http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt
1112075;1430077549;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvRcXj )
1112076;1430077583;williamdunne;Yeah see thats a bit harder to parse.. not exactly clean data
1112077;1430077614;jurov;but you only really need to query http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/
1112078;1430077615;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvRgq3 )
1112079;1430077620;jurov;for this case
1112080;1430077648;jurov;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot << doc
1112081;1430077649;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrI0nG )
1112082;1430077681;williamdunne;Sure, but I need to have a feed of all their names not gonna just brutefoce it
1112083;1430077684;williamdunne;*bruteforce
1112084;1430077691;williamdunne;Which surely makes the whole thing redundant, no?
1112085;1430077713;jurov;why? you only need to check the wot in the moment a request is made
1112086;1430077739;jurov;but if you want to parse the whole list, yw
1112087;1430077749;jurov;best if you can do it in python :DDD
1112088;1430077769;williamdunne;Aha sorry not doing it in Python
1112089;1430077808;williamdunne;So with ScoopBot you're proposing that someone on the Lordship list could add their blog to his reading material
1112090;1430077815;jurov;Yes.
1112091;1430077855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102250 @ 0.00030737 = 31.4286 BTC [+]
1112092;1430077859;jurov;Or maybe remove, too
1112093;1430077896;williamdunne;Ah okay, yeah I see how that would be do-able
1112094;1430078770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15728 @ 0.00030667 = 4.8233 BTC [-]
1112095;1430078831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.00188183 = 1.8818 BTC [+] {19} 
1112096;1430079319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47893 @ 0.00030513 = 14.6136 BTC [-]
1112097;1430079536;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111220 what? converting a quarter to timestamp? people are weird
1112098;1430079536;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 01:18:03; Pierre_Rochard: williamdunne: had a  similar head against wall bug yesterday, in pgsql: to_timestamp(‘2014-2’, ‘YYYY-Q’), doesn’t work because the docs clearly state “quarter (ignored by to_date and to_timestamp)” but it was three hours of desperate refactoring before I actually read them.
1112099;1430079596;BingoBoingo;cazalla: lol at that resemblance
1112100;1430079638;Pierre_Rochard;doing the conversion to sum up debits and credits, can’t wait to release :). It’s written in python with flask + sqlalchemy
1112101;1430079862;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZyHI0wo8Pk love parade eurotrash generation
1112102;1430079864;assbot;Marusha  Love Parade  1998 HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QxhT3z )
1112103;1430080051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00029312 = 6.2141 BTC [-]
1112104;1430080160;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/slodging/
1112105;1430080160;assbot;Slodging ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qxiimn )
1112106;1430080356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00029312 = 6.6099 BTC [-]
1112107;1430080511;jurov;what? cunts run perl? had to reread. and then again. hahahahaHAHAHA
1112108;1430080536;jurov;pity it isn't bashable
1112109;1430080539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6229 @ 0.00030513 = 1.9007 BTC [+]
1112110;1430080600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146371 @ 0.00030917 = 45.2535 BTC [+] {2} 
1112111;1430080635;jurov;bashed anyway
1112112;1430080783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64878 @ 0.00029232 = 18.9651 BTC [-] {2} 
1112113;1430081154;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111472 obviously "computer" science is concerned with computing. biology is concerned with adaptation. not really comparable.
1112114;1430081154;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 03:50:42; asciilifeform:  that may be. i'm just pointing out that biology offers a very significant challenge to theoretical cs. << i must confess, that i am at a loss as to which aspects of meat we should like to replicate in machines: intransigence? toe fungus? pneumonia? schizophrenia?
1112115;1430081279;jurov;perhaps the word mircea_popescu wants is "cybernetics" in its original meaning but it kinda went the way of vitalism
1112116;1430081338;williamdunne;Can someone please do me a favour and send scoop_testbot a PM saying !test
1112117;1430081373;jurov;it replied nothing
1112118;1430081441;williamdunne;Damn
1112119;1430081454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71850 @ 0.00029139 = 20.9364 BTC [-]
1112120;1430081493;mats;lol
1112121;1430081820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00030206 = 15.7373 BTC [+]
1112122;1430081955;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111608 << it'll eat at least $10/mo electricity and dunno if i could get anyone pay even that much
1112123;1430081955;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 05:05:24; trinque: way better than a piddly ec2 micro/small/medium instance eh?
1112124;1430081979;jurov;(not to mention share of dc costs)
1112125;1430082084;jurov;in our condo are unused rooms, maybe i can fill one with oil, submerge the machines and use the heat to heat whole house
1112126;1430082103;jurov;i can't imagine how to convince the neighbors, tho. and it'll need to get switched off in the summer.
1112127;1430082125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35984 @ 0.00029978 = 10.7873 BTC [-]
1112128;1430082208;jurov;well, there's a hot water needed year round, but not so much in the night, either...
1112129;1430082468;williamdunne;jurov: Jurov can you PM scoop !test again please
1112130;1430082484;jurov;  this is a test
1112131;1430082489;williamdunne;Cheers
1112132;1430083475;trinque;jurov | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111608 << it'll eat at least $10/mo electricity << the idea would be that the customer is paying for the privilege of their own box, should come at a premium above what a VM costs
1112133;1430083475;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 05:05:24; trinque: way better than a piddly ec2 micro/small/medium instance eh?
1112134;1430083478;trinque;I'd pay for it.
1112135;1430083494;jurov;$10 is already a premium for that spec
1112136;1430083504;trinque;I disagree entirely.
1112137;1430083533;williamdunne;I'd pay for it
1112138;1430083585;trinque;that there's another inferior product on the market which is cheap because of an ignored risk being dumped on the customer shouldn't inform the price of a product that does what it claims
1112139;1430083591;jurov;http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-scg2 << similar dedi box
1112140;1430083592;assbot;Dedibox® SC gen2 - Online.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvZrTc )
1112141;1430083614;jurov;williamdunne: would you pay $20 instead?
1112142;1430083620;trinque;ah you're criticizing blades in particular?
1112143;1430083629;jurov;i'm not criticizing anything
1112144;1430083634;jurov;just doing the math
1112145;1430083636;williamdunne;jurov: I'd need to know the exact specs, but $20 for some bare metal - sure
1112146;1430083675;jurov;williamdunne: stats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111605
1112147;1430083675;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 05:05:00; trinque: mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110960 << quite possibru. << http://www.ebay.com/itm/RLX-System-600ex-Xeon-CPU-Blade-2-8GHz-x-2-1GB-60GB-HD-/170369036116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27aac92f54 big time
1112148;1430083694;trinque;urov | i'm not criticizing anything << well sure you are, but there's no harm in that
1112149;1430083699;trinque;*jurov
1112150;1430083732;trinque;what I want is a host that provides physical boxes that aren't that powerful, are cheap, but are not joined at the brainstem to other systems
1112151;1430083761;williamdunne;jurov: Fuck yeah I'd pay $20 for that. I thought you meant something roughly equiv to a rPi. With a well optimized site you could get a k reqs a second on that
1112152;1430083772;trinque;and provides similar spin-up/spin-down features seen in the Xen scene, without the braindamage
1112153;1430083795;williamdunne;Although I'd want it to be somewhere out of US reach
1112154;1430083795;trinque;being able to declare infrastructure and have it online quick is awesome
1112155;1430083817;trinque;no reason that has to be done with virtualization
1112156;1430083956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125791 @ 0.00029856 = 37.5562 BTC [-] {2} 
1112157;1430084016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26318 @ 0.00030206 = 7.9496 BTC [+]
1112158;1430084258;jurov;okay. there are new miniitx mobos with ECC support, i suppose the higher price would pay off
1112159;1430084296;jurov;woould you be ok with atom cpu?
1112160;1430084430;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112018 << no homo ?
1112161;1430084430;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 18:27:10; ben_vulpes: engaging in koan volleys
1112162;1430084455;williamdunne;jurov: Personally? yes. Not sure about others, branding isn't great (which unfortunately seems to matter)
1112163;1430084492;jurov;i've got miniitx with celeron, thrown gentoo on it and was impressed how quickly it compiled
1112164;1430084565;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: I made changes to << gj.
1112165;1430084706;mircea_popescu;jurov lol you do have a point with the pic.
1112166;1430084916;mircea_popescu;$ curl -I http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/bg_oct2012.jpg
1112167;1430084917;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaSmI1 )
1112168;1430084917;mircea_popescu;Content-Length: 42987
1112169;1430084917;mircea_popescu;$ curl -I http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/contravex-header-mosaic-bold.jpg
1112170;1430084919;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaSnf1 )
1112171;1430084919;mircea_popescu;Content-Length: 589986
1112172;1430084928;mircea_popescu;and this isn't even getting to the part where contravex specifies no cache control
1112173;1430085072;mircea_popescu;(protip : max-age=0 tells agents they should revalidate. no-cache tells them they MUST revalidate, which in many broken implementation works out to no revalidation, just downloading it again)
1112174;1430085275;mircea_popescu;jurov snitch is when you do what charlie shrem did. snatch is what you had in mind (means cunt, but also what aliens to do bodies).
1112175;1430085327;jurov;eh
1112176;1430085383;mircea_popescu;yeeeees ? :D
1112177;1430085438;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112089 << dude, stop futzing with it, it's good as it is.
1112178;1430085438;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 19:50:08; williamdunne: So with ScoopBot you're proposing that someone on the Lordship list could add their blog to his reading material
1112179;1430085443;mircea_popescu;do something else with your energy.
1112180;1430085690;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112107 << and to think you said ~Naphex~ was yummy!
1112181;1430085690;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 20:35:11; jurov: what? cunts run perl? had to reread. and then again. hahahahaHAHAHA
1112182;1430085762;mircea_popescu;i think i managed to botehr the shit out of gabriel_laddel
1112183;1430085933;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112113 << this is in no sense obvious, and you'll have your life's work before you even showing that distinction is at all meaningful.
1112184;1430085933;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 20:45:54; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111472 obviously "computer" science is concerned with computing. biology is concerned with adaptation. not really comparable.
1112185;1430085953;mircea_popescu;first stop, "but cunts dispense souls!"
1112186;1430085981;mircea_popescu;other than that, aglass of water is a computational machine.
1112187;1430086001;mircea_popescu;it computes the positions of ~10^26 water molecules + some impurities.
1112188;1430086050;jurov;not necessarily.
1112189;1430086074;mircea_popescu;which part ?
1112190;1430086089;jurov;under current quantum mechanics model it was proven these molecules are indistinguishable
1112191;1430086100;mircea_popescu;it still computes a water level.
1112192;1430086121;mircea_popescu;and that they're indistinguishable doesn't really make all that difference. there's no rule computation must be discrete.
1112193;1430086124;mircea_popescu;ask alf
1112194;1430086180;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112153 << he's in slovakia.
1112195;1430086180;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 21:29:55; williamdunne: Although I'd want it to be somewhere out of US reach
1112196;1430086195;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Good nuff'
1112197;1430086203;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112155 << this is a very good point not made nearly often enough.
1112198;1430086203;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 21:30:17; trinque: no reason that has to be done with virtualization
1112199;1430086220;mircea_popescu;usg.nsa loves "virtualization", but it's by no means the only way to skin that cube.
1112200;1430086245;trinque;mircea_popescu: your point about fake security barriers in operating systems turned many gears in my skull
1112201;1430086273;mircea_popescu;i used to say b-a increases one's iq by a good chunk of points
1112202;1430086289;mircea_popescu;it's like being plugged into mechanical chtulhu
1112203;1430086312;trinque;indeed.
1112204;1430086342;mircea_popescu;speaking of current quantum mechanics : waveforms! http://31.media.tumblr.com/6a663937b21d2ca5abdf98b967b5a7be/tumblr_nblz1293Rg1qg7xwvo1_500.gif
1112205;1430086344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaZeFh )
1112206;1430086372;mircea_popescu;"a machine to turn penis projectile vibration into eyelash flutter"
1112207;1430086523;mircea_popescu;i think ima collect the cunts-on-perl discussion. it's pretty good!
1112208;1430086662;jurov;maybe the only difference is computer science was constructed from mathematical (or not very mathematical, like strings) ideas, where cunts evolved themselves somehow
1112209;1430086700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34144 @ 0.00030206 = 10.3135 BTC [+]
1112210;1430087066;mircea_popescu;!up TheButterZone
1112211;1430087073;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot TheButterZone
1112212;1430087073;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheButterZone: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=TheButterZone | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/TheButterZone/
1112213;1430087082;mircea_popescu;you can self-voice, just pm assbot "!up
1112214;1430087125;TheButterZone;ok thanks
1112215;1430087127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.0003059 = 21.1224 BTC [+]
1112216;1430087221;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V53hjc0LbVY
1112217;1430087223;assbot;Diablo 2 Cinematic - Act 2 - Desert Journey - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zb3C7b )
1112218;1430088774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0003059 = 6.9745 BTC [+]
1112219;1430090116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85177 @ 0.0003059 = 26.0556 BTC [+]
1112220;1430091400;scoopbot_revived;News! Quantum Mechanics Today : A Machine To Turn Penis Projectile Vibration Into Eyelash Flutter URL: http://trilema.com/2015/quantum-mechanics-today-a-machine-to-turn-penis-projectile-vibration-into-eyelash-flutter/
1112221;1430091401;assbot;Quantum Mechanics Today : A Machine To Turn Penis Projectile Vibration Into Eyelash Flutter on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FpcYgB )
1112222;1430091733;trinque;mp: I did commit the equivalent of showing up with a flamethrower at a figure skating competition, "what move is that! IT LITERALLY MELTED THE ICE!11" << ahahaha my sides
1112223;1430091750;mircea_popescu;lol
1112224;1430092379;mike_c;kakobrekla: you see this?  http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111771
1112225;1430092379;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2015 06:05:52; assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user menahem: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=menahem | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/menahem/
1112226;1430092391;mike_c;the pipe is getting included in the link
1112227;1430092556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14481 @ 0.00030638 = 4.4367 BTC [+]
1112228;1430093288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.0003059 = 7.464 BTC [-]
1112229;1430093661;BingoBoingo;"Crop Dessication" http://www.ithaka-journal.net/herbizide-im-urin?lang=en
1112230;1430093721;mircea_popescu;soo... 7.9 earthquake in nepal, kerry announces "us pledges $1mn".
1112231;1430093724;mircea_popescu;out of money much ?
1112232;1430093748;BingoBoingo;likely
1112233;1430093877;BingoBoingo;glyphosate is almost a nutrient nao: "The study found glyphosate in all urine samples at values ranging from 0.5 to 2 ng glyphosate per ml urine (drinking water limit: 0.1 ng / ml). None of the examinees had direct contact with agriculture."
1112234;1430094288;mircea_popescu;in related news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/e6c03a0d3d7be2eb9a2cc8c354944fd0/tumblr_nbbcb7HBsH1tv1347o1_400.gif
1112235;1430094294;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbBm4C )
1112236;1430094295;mircea_popescu;they're rounding her up.
1112237;1430094816;williamdunne;Now thats not a fetish I can understand
1112238;1430094935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45027 @ 0.00030891 = 13.9093 BTC [+] {2} 
1112239;1430095000;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/pol/res/1815910.html << just another cult.
1112240;1430095003;assbot;/pol/ - The truth about shills: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbEjSB )
1112241;1430097192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00030992 = 16.2708 BTC [+]
1112242;1430097806;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski check this shit out http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/#comment-113916
1112243;1430097807;assbot;Stop all the clocks (again) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FpuRvW )
1112244;1430097807;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1112245;1430097809;mircea_popescu;!up TheButterZone
1112246;1430097815;mircea_popescu;dude, the whisper thing fucking works.
1112247;1430097957;hanbot;whispercore? this is a thing?
1112248;1430097989;*;mircea_popescu whispering ; apparently
1112249;1430100083;menahem;TheButterZone if you start making more tracks, I'mma get in on that!
1112250;1430100242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0003062 = 6.6445 BTC [-] {2} 
1112251;1430101036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00030996 = 2.5107 BTC [+] {2} 
1112252;1430103277;mike_c;;;later tell danielpbarron http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/NAPHEX/
1112253;1430103278;assbot;naphex WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJptqj )
1112254;1430103278;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1112255;1430104325;danielpbarron;!up randy-waterhouse
1112256;1430104683;asciilifeform;jurov: ...there are new miniitx mobos with ECC support... << where?! link plz. i'd buy at least one to try
1112257;1430104775;asciilifeform; other than that, aglass of water is a computational machine << in the same sense as a fart, or even two electrons whizzing by in vacuum, are a computing machine. us earthlings are interested, for this reason, in -programmable- computators.
1112258;1430104892;asciilifeform; usg.nsa loves "virtualization", but it's by no means the only way to skin that cube << the only reason why they so easily sell this flavour of snake oil is that virtualizator gets you 'cpu cycles by the pound' and buckets of little arm boxes - don't (why not? because we never actually invented parallel processing or, especially, process migration. apparently. at least, unix world did not.)
1112259;1430104949;asciilifeform; maybe the only difference is computer science was constructed from mathematical (or not very mathematical, like strings) ideas ... << the notion that computing machines, as presently constructed, have some direct connection with what maths folks did in the 1930s is nebulous at best. even if commonly believed
1112260;1430105796;asciilifeform; ... like that cemetary caretaker, eh? << if you know what his weapon of choice was, share - it would add some spiffy detail to the legend
1112261;1430105948;TheButterZone;yay?
1112262;1430106141;danielpbarron;hi TheButterZone :D
1112263;1430106201;TheButterZone;hi
1112264;1430106204;danielpbarron;!up EllieAsksWhy
1112265;1430106249;EllieAsksWhy;Blythe Masters is going to make bitcoin respectable http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/3446313/banking-and-capital-markets-trading-and-technology/derivatives-pioneer-blythe-masters-tackles-digital-currency.html
1112266;1430106251;assbot;Derivatives Pioneer Blythe Masters Tackles Digital Currency | Institutional Investor ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJCOPB )
1112267;1430106254;danielpbarron;!up walltime
1112268;1430106284;asciilifeform;'respectability' through shitwashing, l0l, 1,001st of these or what. snore.
1112269;1430106319;EllieAsksWhy;Hello Daniel of Twitter!  Wow, this is so exciting. I just replaced my keyboard, I was using the virtual one before, so I could barely type and was hesitant to visit here.
1112270;1430106369;danielpbarron;hello! I had invited you in the past but I think this is your first time?
1112271;1430106370;EllieAsksWhy;Daniel, am I driving everyone away by my presence?  That happens in NRx Jackal Hour too :)
1112272;1430106383;EllieAsksWhy;Yes, yes, this is my first time, thank you.
1112273;1430106399;danielpbarron;nope, the contrary i'm sure; your presence will almost surely start up a conversation
1112274;1430106403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0003059 = 4.8944 BTC [-]
1112275;1430106414;EllieAsksWhy;I often browse, lurk, read your logs though. On the sidelines, voiceless
1112276;1430106455;EllieAsksWhy;I am still not convinced that Blythe Masters is truly a "master" of derivatives.  She seems more like an investment banker/ figurehead.
1112277;1430106456;danielpbarron;get in the WoT then
1112278;1430106482;EllieAsksWhy;I want to be in the WoT.  I got a keybase.io key thingy.  I was trying to figure out if I could use it for here.
1112279;1430106506;asciilifeform;!s keybase
1112280;1430106507;assbot;56 results for 'keybase' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keybase
1112281;1430106513;asciilifeform;EllieAsksWhy ^ read & get back.
1112282;1430106560;EllieAsksWhy;Okay, thank you.  I love how assbot bots on in.  It is like a wonderful, interactive version of reddit.  I shall return.
1112283;1430106627;danielpbarron;in what way is this like reddit?
1112284;1430106715;asciilifeform;in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?
1112285;1430106922;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/592534533443952644
1112286;1430106923;assbot;/danielpbarron /crypto_zen Fodder for Mircea et al to dig into: http://t.co/XTSVRuiD1Z She says she's going to make bitcoin respectable.
1112287;1430106943;EllieAsksWhy;Oh, on reddit, both the Dark Enlightenment and buttcoin sub-reddits, there are sarcastic/funny named bots that do silly things that make me laugh.  Even though they are automated, the incongruity always amuses me.
1112288;1430106993;danielpbarron;assbot keeps the harmony
1112289;1430107025;EllieAsksWhy;I initially knew Web of Trust as the Finnish company mywot which has totally gone to hell since someone bought them out a year ago.  Your Web of Trust is more like the real one, that proceeded mywot by over a decade, right?
1112290;1430107043;EllieAsksWhy;I love assbot.
1112291;1430107085;EllieAsksWhy;Speaking of keybase.io horrors, this was my introduction to it  https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/100
1112292;1430107087;assbot;I don't understand tracking · Issue #100 · keybase/keybase-issues · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJGZuz )
1112293;1430107111;Adlai;reddit is inferior to irc on nearly the same level as the inferiority between facebook and actual conversation
1112294;1430107178;EllieAsksWhy;I noticed from the link provided by asciilifeform earlier, that Mircea knows about triplesec.  That led me to this, which I'm not sure about https://github.com/keybase/triplesec/tree/master/talks/hack-and-tell%202013.10.22.key
1112295;1430107179;assbot;triplesec/talks/hack-and-tell 2013.10.22.key at master · keybase/triplesec · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJHmp4 )
1112296;1430107179;danielpbarron;what is the real one, EllieAsksWhy, in regards to the WoT ?
1112297;1430107179;EllieAsksWhy;I
1112298;1430107198;EllieAsksWhy;The real one is not mywot.com
1112299;1430107225;EllieAsksWhy;The real one is PGP from MIT.
1112300;1430107291;EllieAsksWhy;There is also a Web of Trust that is a Canadian accounting auditing certification, not a professional certification but an audit standard of some sort. The real Web of Trust is the original one though.
1112301;1430107335;EllieAsksWhy;I'm sorry, I'll try to calm down and be more linear.  I have never had the opportunity to actually talk about any of this stuff with anyone.  I only read about things on my own.
1112302;1430107376;danielpbarron;oh, this WoT isn't from "mywot.com" and it isn't from MIT
1112303;1430107410;asciilifeform;EllieAsksWhy: get in wot (the actual wot). this way you can come back, e.g., tomorrow, and we will have some reason to think that we are speaking with an invariant actual human being
1112304;1430107429;EllieAsksWhy;Yes, Adlai, reddit is inferior to IRC. reddit has an IRC but I haven't used it.  I don't trust Facebook.  I don't use it, and like to say that it steals your soul.  I sort of kind of believe that, in a casual sense, not a real one. It would be blasphemous to suggest it was really true!
1112305;1430107448;danielpbarron;it should be possible to change what key is associated with your nickname, for when you stop using keybase
1112306;1430107471;danielpbarron;or just find a new thing right now. what operating system are you running?
1112307;1430107504;EllieAsksWhy;I need to get a feel for syntax here, and metier.  I liked Second Life chat and sometimes Google chat, but am kind of sheltered about messaging, other than Microsoft Connections to annoy the DBA at work.
1112308;1430107534;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112301 << calm up all you like, the log is a DAG
1112309;1430107534;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 04:02:15; EllieAsksWhy: I'm sorry, I'll try to calm down and be more linear.  I have never had the opportunity to actually talk about any of this stuff with anyone.  I only read about things on my own.
1112310;1430107551;EllieAsksWhy;I am running Windows 7 with Chrome browser. Not cool, no linux or ubuntu or whatnot.
1112311;1430107587;danielpbarron;I have heard there are things to use on windows
1112312;1430107598;Adlai;!s gpg4win
1112313;1430107599;assbot;13 results for 'gpg4win' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gpg4win
1112314;1430107612;EllieAsksWhy;DAG, Adlai? Should I not use punctuation here (does it mess up assbot's ability to function smoothly)?
1112315;1430107629;danielpbarron;lol
1112316;1430107641;EllieAsksWhy;Ah, okay, gpg4win thank you.  I want to return here again, very much!
1112317;1430107649;Adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXILzUpVx7A
1112318;1430107650;assbot;D'ya like dags? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJJA7K )
1112319;1430107669;Adlai;decentralized autonomous graphs
1112320;1430107700;danielpbarron;!up Vexual
1112321;1430107823;EllieAsksWhy;Ah, I see. Dogs. With a crufty accent they become dogs :)  Are smileys okay here?  I interject them a lot.
1112322;1430107835;danielpbarron;yep
1112323;1430107862;EllieAsksWhy;assbot gave me a bitly link with advertising, to https://sidetick.tv/ lol!
1112324;1430107867;assbot;SideTick TV - Internet Television! ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJKxwN )
1112325;1430107880;danielpbarron;in private message ?
1112326;1430107905;BingoBoingo;EllieAsksWhy: The bit.ly links are the links people put in channel, but with a free proxy service
1112327;1430107926;EllieAsksWhy;Ahh, I see, BingoBoingo. Thank you.
1112328;1430107926;Adlai;EllieAsksWhy: actually directed acyclic graphs. you'll notice the logs include lots of disjoint conversations, peppered with links to previous messages, themselves including links to previous messages... nonlinearity is the norm
1112329;1430107928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8829 @ 0.00030954 = 2.7329 BTC [+]
1112330;1430107961;EllieAsksWhy;Daniel, I'm sorry, I'm being too diffuse.  Disregard that, I can explain further later.
1112331;1430107976;EllieAsksWhy;I just found this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2013#420624  not too propitious for gpg4win
1112332;1430107976;assbot;Logged on 13-12-2013 09:22:57; Duffer1: gpg4win hates me
1112333;1430107983;BingoBoingo;EllieAsksWhy: The proxy links became a thing to discourage people from dropping honeypot links to harvest home ips to DoS
1112334;1430108011;EllieAsksWhy;Adlai, I use chat on StackOverflow.  This reminds me somewhat of that.
1112335;1430108039;EllieAsksWhy;Adlai, this is a lovely description "directed acyclic graphs. you'll notice the logs include lots of disjoint conversations, peppered with links to previous messages, themselves including links to previous messages... nonlinearity is the norm"
1112336;1430108053;Adlai;!b 2
1112337;1430108053;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YKAX5J.txt )
1112338;1430108055;Adlai;!up EllieAsksWhy
1112339;1430108073;Adlai;it's like taking pictures of a baby
1112340;1430108097;EllieAsksWhy;Hah, hah re "The proxy links became a thing to discourage people from dropping honeypot links to harvest home ips to DoS".  This isn't a good place for Blythe Masters.
1112341;1430108112;hanbot;EllieAsksWhy so what do you do?
1112342;1430108175;EllieAsksWhy;Hello, hanbot!  This is me linkedin.com/in/4lisa  I probably shouldn't do this, but I'm looking for a job and unfortunately, that requires using my real full name.
1112343;1430108254;danielpbarron;real names are cool
1112344;1430108256;EllieAsksWhy;I do due diligence, using data analysis and descriptive statistics and probability mostly.  I like finding problems and vulnerabilities and fraud and arb opportunities.
1112345;1430108279;hanbot;oh hey an ibm alum
1112346;1430108319;EllieAsksWhy;Thank you, Daniel.  I wasn't sure if that were okay.  So many people use pseudonyms which aren't truly that pseudo.
1112347;1430108342;ben_vulpes;arbitunities!
1112348;1430108366;EllieAsksWhy;I need to figure out how to get in your WoT so that I can return here.  If I have questions or encounter difficulties, may I ask you for guidance via Twitter, Daniel?
1112349;1430108376;ben_vulpes;!s first steps
1112350;1430108377;assbot;117 results for 'first steps' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=first+steps
1112351;1430108384;danielpbarron;absolutely :D
1112352;1430108393;ben_vulpes;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets << EllieAsksWhy
1112353;1430108394;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybBQ8x )
1112354;1430108411;EllieAsksWhy;Yes, arbitunities!  Arb is wonderful, so is delta neutral hedging, sources of small but mostly safe profit.
1112355;1430108447;BingoBoingo;!h
1112356;1430108447;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1112357;1430108457;ben_vulpes;myeah, i'm familiar :P
1112358;1430108512;EllieAsksWhy;I will peruse. Y'all will probably be amused by this, but I tried to get myself here by getting an account at one of those bitcoin gambling sites, Satoshi Dice or such.  I thought that if I could get an ID there, I could figure out how to use it as a
1112359;1430108530;ben_vulpes;lolwut
1112360;1430108546;ben_vulpes;so instead of...research...you just try random things?
1112361;1430108553;EllieAsksWhy;baseline for establishing one here.  Nope!  And bitcoin dice rolling is probably an appalling waste of money!
1112362;1430108593;ben_vulpes;it is -ev
1112363;1430108593;EllieAsksWhy;Okay, I am departing now.  Thank you everyone.  You've been kind and mild.  Please give my best wishes to Mircea, if possible.
1112364;1430108599;ben_vulpes;what...did you expect?
1112365;1430108759;Vexual;cute
1112366;1430108791;Vexual;musta rode the hang seng this morn, figured it's time to bitcoin
1112367;1430108904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.0003059 = 8.2899 BTC [-]
1112368;1430109065;ben_vulpes;Vexual: man what are you even
1112369;1430109157;Vexual;i rode the hang seng this morning and i figured it's time to bitcoin, how was the conf?
1112370;1430109339;ben_vulpes;lotta steak
1112371;1430109348;ben_vulpes;stan couldn't keep his eyes in his head re: girls
1112372;1430109354;Vexual;lol
1112373;1430109384;ben_vulpes;anyways what are you doing watching the hang seng - make anything off that pop at the open?
1112374;1430109392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55539 @ 0.00031012 = 17.2238 BTC [+] {2} 
1112375;1430109431;Vexual;no, i wasnt awake then'
1112376;1430110369;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1112377;1430110536;Vexual;so whaddaya get, some rib fillet, or half a cow?
1112378;1430110794;Vexual;something good presumably
1112379;1430110795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14076 @ 0.00031017 = 4.366 BTC [+]
1112380;1430110909;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mircea_popescu what have we started! watch this become the next big reddit meme.
1112381;1430110910;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1112382;1430110941;pete_dushenski;;;later tell jurov ah yes, that's a niggle that's been bugging me too. thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
1112383;1430110941;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1112384;1430112076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.0003059 = 15.1879 BTC [-]
1112385;1430113678;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1112386;1430113874;scoopbot_revived;News! fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier URL: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/26_fyooturgigs-knife-sharpener-garbage-sorter-computational-sommelier.html
1112387;1430113875;assbot;fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier ... ( http://bit.ly/1JuLrg7 )
1112388;1430113953;*;pete_dushenski clicks
1112389;1430114830;ben_vulpes;"Minaj pulled out of Hot 97’s Summer Jam after a DJ criticized Roman’s smash EDM-styled single “Starships” as something other than “real hip-hop.” Lil Wayne and the rest of Young Money canceled their performance at the show as well, in solidarity." << heh.
1112390;1430114861;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: didja know that an iphone is just about cost-even with the low end macbook airs?
1112391;1430114895;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i knew it was close-ish but i suppose there's even some overlap
1112392;1430114908;pete_dushenski;spec 128 gb iphone 6 plus.
1112393;1430114911;ben_vulpes;gap's still like 150 us by my calcs
1112394;1430114941;pete_dushenski;also: "EEC RAM and the controllers therefor" << ecc ram, therefore*
1112395;1430114956;ben_vulpes;aha, ty
1112396;1430114974;ben_vulpes;keep 'em comin, i gotta get my ass back into my life routine
1112397;1430115000;pete_dushenski;top cheddar iphone: C$1,229
1112398;1430115008;pete_dushenski;*gulp*
1112399;1430115010;ben_vulpes;leadership starts at 6 am or how did it go
1112400;1430115019;ben_vulpes;night boss
1112401;1430115051;pete_dushenski;cheerio dude
1112402;1430115075;pete_dushenski;cheapest macbook air 11" : C$1,099
1112403;1430115104;pete_dushenski;fait accompli
1112404;1430115133;Vexual;11" fits in stuff
1112405;1430115162;Vexual;who wants an big notebook?
1112406;1430115328;Vexual;mp phone and an 11", thats some kit
1112407;1430115520;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes "and have custom trickle in." << customers*
1112408;1430115521;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1112409;1430115525;pete_dushenski;?
1112410;1430115571;pete_dushenski;other than that, computational sommelier sounds like quite the craft.
1112411;1430115797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.0003059 = 15.7844 BTC [-]
1112412;1430117810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93700 @ 0.00030055 = 28.1615 BTC [-] {4} 
1112413;1430118908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00030904 = 10.2601 BTC [+] {2} 
1112414;1430120311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69600 @ 0.00030931 = 21.528 BTC [+] {2} 
1112415;1430120860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23946 @ 0.00031028 = 7.43 BTC [+] {2} 
1112416;1430124215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30679 @ 0.00030014 = 9.208 BTC [-]
1112417;1430124276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64843 @ 0.00029831 = 19.3433 BTC [-] {3} 
1112418;1430124642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58544 @ 0.00030338 = 17.7611 BTC [+] {2} 
1112419;1430125285;mircea_popescu;o look, ellie!
1112420;1430125402;mircea_popescu;cazalla gave you folks more disk. half a gig went pretty fast eh o.O
1112421;1430126368;mircea_popescu;!rated TheButterZone
1112422;1430126368;assbot;You have not rated TheButterZone.
1112423;1430126378;mircea_popescu;!rate TheButterZone 1 Dude got a scary whisper.
1112424;1430126378;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6b2c92a2f314b59f
1112425;1430126402;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.TheButterZone.1:011ae86d5de58325aca2aacc80b2f6459687dba7e0e50f9db83605b7c77ba1ef
1112426;1430126403;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for TheButterZone with note: Dude got a scary whisper.
1112427;1430126543;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112276 << to quote, "asciilifeform the Anglos have a historic problem, in that they never invented политрукs."
1112428;1430126543;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 03:47:35; EllieAsksWhy: I am still not convinced that Blythe Masters is truly a "master" of derivatives.  She seems more like an investment banker/ figurehead.
1112429;1430126560;mircea_popescu;well, they did invent them alright. they just made the mistake to make them women.
1112430;1430126675;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112284 << /me hands stan a very sarcastic "zing"
1112431;1430126675;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 03:51:55; asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?
1112432;1430126777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58383 @ 0.00031031 = 18.1168 BTC [+]
1112433;1430126801;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112289 << the website thing never made any sense. nor was it supposed to i guess. this wot is "like" the old gpg/pgp wot, yes.
1112434;1430126801;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 03:57:05; EllieAsksWhy: I initially knew Web of Trust as the Finnish company mywot which has totally gone to hell since someone bought them out a year ago.  Your Web of Trust is more like the real one, that proceeded mywot by over a decade, right?
1112435;1430126904;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112293 << on one end. on the other end, it has the advantage that it can allow *everyone* to pretend like they're part of the conversation. here people know nobody is listening to them, because they have no voice. on facebook/reddit/etc, every idiot can pretend that he's being heard because he can read himself and so why not.
1112436;1430126904;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 03:58:31; Adlai: reddit is inferior to irc on nearly the same level as the inferiority between facebook and actual conversation
1112437;1430129691;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUYaosyR4bE
1112438;1430129692;assbot;Lily Allen - Not Fair - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvx10T )
1112439;1430130548;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes / asciilifeform : re "build an exhaustive knowledge of every company that has ever made computer parts and an exhaustive understanding of which parts were made well and not at which point in time." << the correct approach to this is to do what mp has been saying needs doing for ages and start a bitcoin hoster.
1112440;1430130570;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112423 <<< scary whisper? more like didn't want to wake parents
1112441;1430130570;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 09:19:38; mircea_popescu: !rate TheButterZone 1 Dude got a scary whisper.
1112442;1430130573;mircea_popescu;because nobody knows about computer parts quite like the people doing procurement for a datacenter. so if you run your own metal and sublet to people, you're in the best position to learn these exactly.
1112443;1430130597;mircea_popescu;lol cazalla
1112444;1430130707;mircea_popescu;also i find the idea that various things have different webs of trust silly. yes, idiots use meat wots. this is exactly how aristotle's "no politics is your politics" thing went. otherwise, the wot's for all things.
1112445;1430131127;mircea_popescu;lmao c3 drove a secession in the us across east/west lines ?! who knew that thing's so brittle and easily fractured.
1112446;1430131214;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "If Macintosh laptops (long held up as the gold standard of quality in personal computing) " << nobody ever held a laptop as an acceptable form of personal computing. let alone any sort of standard.
1112447;1430131239;mircea_popescu;a laptop is a toy, like a phone or a xbox, something kids that aren't smart enough / rich enough to own computers get for xmas from their weird uncles.
1112448;1430131316;mircea_popescu;broadly speaking, anything without the lego quality is not a real thing, but a toy. that's what the "no user serviceable parts inside" sticker communicates to the world : this is not a tool, this is a toy.
1112449;1430131372;cazalla;desktop master race
1112450;1430131383;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112256 here: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/atom/
1112451;1430131383;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 03:18:03; asciilifeform: jurov: ...there are new miniitx mobos with ECC support... << where?! link plz. i'd buy at least one to try
1112452;1430131385;assbot;Super Micro Computer, Inc. - Products | Motherboards | ATOM ... ( http://bit.ly/1IekE65 )
1112453;1430131421;jurov;not yet found any with amd cpu
1112454;1430131425;*;mircea_popescu is curious what comes of this
1112455;1430131474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00029791 = 5.705 BTC [-]
1112456;1430131482;cazalla;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/340jox/how_okcupid_scammed_me_for_01687626_btc/ dat username lol
1112457;1430131484;assbot;How OkCupid scammed me for 0.1687626 BTC : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IekYSz )
1112458;1430131505;cazalla;i guess women don't want to hear libertarian shit on okcupid
1112459;1430131573;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1112460;1430131585;mircea_popescu;protip : don't use platforms. they're bad for you.
1112461;1430131777;mircea_popescu;anyway, the differences between me and justusranvier dude are amusing. fetlife vs okcupid, the locus of butthurt, etc.
1112462;1430131790;mircea_popescu;must suck to be poor / powerless / clueless / etc.
1112463;1430131826;cazalla;he actually took a few days off of okcupid because of it.. "Naturally, I reported that conversation for abusive behaviour and I took a break from the site for a few days because frankly I was not expecting that and was a bit shaken from the experience."
1112464;1430131901;mircea_popescu;lol
1112465;1430131929;cazalla;just imagine 6 months later and he's ready to ask her out and she says no.. total melt down instead of moving on to the next one 6 months prior
1112466;1430132005;mircea_popescu;i might be the only one left doing things this way, but afaik the way is, you give the woman a task. she either does it or doesn't.
1112467;1430132206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00029651 = 5.8412 BTC [-] {2} 
1112468;1430132273;davout;cazalla: oh god, this is priceless
1112469;1430132339;davout;see http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/#comment-113879
1112470;1430132340;assbot;A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DsBnMj )
1112471;1430132388;kakobrekla;wait i need to edit the ratings ?
1112472;1430132416;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah go ahead.
1112473;1430132426;mircea_popescu;was giving lazyass foundation peeps time to comment, but nothing lasts 4evar.
1112474;1430132490;kakobrekla;hm
1112475;1430132504;kakobrekla;the current interface does not allow for it
1112476;1430132508;mircea_popescu;o.O
1112477;1430132529;kakobrekla;how convenient.
1112478;1430132547;mircea_popescu;whadda ya mean doesn't allow lol.
1112479;1430132609;kakobrekla;i can make assbot say !rate whatever but it wont eval that
1112480;1430132621;mircea_popescu;haha
1112481;1430132828;mircea_popescu;http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/12/notorious-8chan-subboard-has-history-wiped-after-federal-judges-doxing/
1112482;1430132830;assbot;Notorious 8chan “subboard” has history wiped after federal judge’s doxing [Updated] | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iep1y4 )
1112483;1430132830;mircea_popescu;o.O
1112484;1430132922;mircea_popescu;unsurprisingly, it was the silk road judge.
1112485;1430133304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00029791 = 3.4558 BTC [+]
1112486;1430133588;davout;kek
1112487;1430133609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00029791 = 7.984 BTC [+]
1112488;1430134435;mircea_popescu;davout hey, did fetlife break their signup process ?
1112489;1430137232;williamdunne;Naphex: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33y97d/our_contribution_to_bitcoin_community/ -- what do you think of this
1112490;1430137234;assbot;Our contribution to Bitcoin community : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DsNjOd )
1112491;1430137966;davout;mircea_popescu: nfi
1112492;1430138052;davout;williamdunne: some dudes made some code for a matching engine, not really noteworthy
1112493;1430138094;davout;also they claim to have sunk $100k in the development, but somehow they're opensourcing it now, because incorporating somewhere else than russia isn't practical...
1112494;1430138110;davout;williamdunne: weren't you saying you were making one yourself?
1112495;1430138139;jurov;hi davout, you wanted to ask about mailing list?
1112496;1430138159;davout;jurov: yea, i subscribed a few times but never received a confirmation
1112497;1430138204;Naphex;williamdunne: what davout said. C# is a disadvantage though. You'd have to be crazy to run trading infrastructure on windows sesrvers
1112498;1430138215;Naphex;servers *
1112499;1430138236;davout;Naphex: there's this mono thing by miguel de icaza iirc, no idea if it's still a thing tho
1112500;1430138278;williamdunne;Naphex: Run it in mono most likely
1112501;1430138302;williamdunne;davout: I thought some of the structure was pretty cool with the Elixir message queue
1112502;1430138417;mircea_popescu;<davout> williamdunne: some dudes made some code for a matching engine, not really noteworthy << actually it's the most oversupplied intem in stock.
1112503;1430138434;mircea_popescu;in the bitcoin space, "matching engines" are the equivalent of crusted socks in adolescent boys' bedrooms.
1112504;1430138445;williamdunne;nice
1112505;1430138450;mircea_popescu;so many of them, made with an apparent firm conviction that somehow they'll bring recognition...
1112506;1430138512;davout;yep, because you know, what's really needed and important is that they're able to match 1m orders/s instead a meager 10k orders/s
1112507;1430138666;jurov;if someone gave $100k to alf for bitcoind development instead...
1112508;1430138688;mircea_popescu;no, because alf needs actual 100k
1112509;1430138694;mircea_popescu;as opposed to this kind of 100k
1112510;1430138714;jurov;lol true
1112511;1430138819;williamdunne;davout: Isn't the point that the in-theory number is about an order of magnitude higher than what it can handle when in actual use
1112512;1430138867;Naphex;williamdunne: anyway trading engines are not that hard to write, they do require some experience to get right.
1112513;1430138889;jurov;"measured in orders/s P.M.P.O"
1112514;1430138913;davout;williamdunne: not really, if the theoretical number is that different from the actual one, you have a problem
1112515;1430138950;Naphex;williamdunne: the good option is to hire the right people and develop an engine according to your infrastrucutre and needs
1112516;1430139001;williamdunne;davout: Well for example, the Java one that I wrote can match 160k/s when pumping in random data directly. But when we add the overheads for actually accepting and handling orders from customers it will not do close to that
1112517;1430139043;Naphex;williamdunne: you aren't doing 'real-matching'. those stats aren't really saying much
1112518;1430139048;williamdunne;Naphex: True
1112519;1430139059;davout;williamdunne: why? the matching engine should be the only single-threaded bottleneck
1112520;1430139092;davout;you can spread order acceptation, and trade settlement, just not the matching
1112521;1430139112;Naphex;williamdunne: and with binary insert it can do a lot more then tha
1112522;1430139115;davout;and if you can't there's really not that much point in writing something really fast
1112523;1430139124;williamdunne;Naphex: True, I still need to take a proper look at that
1112524;1430139145;williamdunne;Naphex: Still don't understand how to handle the order of the maps though
1112525;1430139244;williamdunne;davout: Haven't looked to much at the architecture of that yet, but you're right
1112526;1430139271;Naphex;williamdunne: in java https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/Collections.html#binarySearch(java.util.List,%20T)
1112527;1430139273;assbot;Collections (Java Platform SE 7 ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5muQ1 )
1112528;1430139304;Naphex;you use binarySearch with a Time-Price to find the insertion point for your order. Thus your list/map will always be sorted
1112529;1430139364;Naphex;Time-Price* Comparator->
1112530;1430139449;Naphex;williamdunne: https://code.google.com/p/alots/source/browse/trunk/alots/src/core/EquityBookEngine.java#206 an example in java
1112531;1430139450;assbot;EquityBookEngine.java -  alots -   Automated Limit Order Trading Simulator - Google Project Hosting  ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5neo9 )
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1112534;1430139516;williamdunne;Naphex: Awesome, I'll have a dig thanks
1112535;1430139553;williamdunne;!rate Naphex 3 Knows his shit, and willing to share it
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1112539;1430139626;mircea_popescu;lol fecal transplant
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1112546;1430140273;davout;this justusranvier thing keeps on giving
1112547;1430140292;davout;"Are you sure the reason you assume the admin was correct is because the admin was paid, and not because of the genders of the involved parties?"
1112548;1430140320;mircea_popescu;heh.
1112549;1430140368;BingoBoingo;On the typical USian dating site, gender matters. Other than on grinder the dating site will rarely ever have a shortage of dicks.
1112550;1430140391;mircea_popescu;grinder has a shortage of dicks ?!
1112551;1430140512;BingoBoingo;Prolly
1112552;1430140549;mircea_popescu;da fuck is it anyway
1112553;1430140553;*;mircea_popescu goes to look at this wonder
1112554;1430140597;BingoBoingo;Grindr's the one dicks use to find nearby dicks
1112555;1430140610;davout;and now, hearn and him are stuck derping at how micro-payments and smart contracts would have prevented the whole thing
1112556;1430140641;davout;obviously hearn concludes that it's really necessary to push the block size
1112557;1430140646;mircea_popescu;lol
1112558;1430140676;mircea_popescu;so fucking stupid this. who the shit would enter into a contract with justus ranvier and why exactly ?
1112559;1430140684;mircea_popescu;"we will deliver chicks to you because you're so speshul"
1112560;1430140746;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i wonder if gay sites have a serious problem with supplying enough bottoms.
1112561;1430140896;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is amazing how much more productive the conversation gets when discussing logistics of dating sites instead of derping over bans
1112562;1430140896;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1112563;1430140912;mircea_popescu;lol
1112564;1430140924;mircea_popescu;"Another part is a distributed marketplace for dispute resolution based on smart contracts."
1112565;1430140927;jurov;waitwhat? in murica chicks flock to grindr?
1112566;1430140928;mircea_popescu;ahahaha o gawdy.
1112567;1430140957;jurov;what's this "justusranvier thing"?
1112568;1430140962;mircea_popescu;"No thanks. I'll keep using my card. It has way too many benefits not to. I'll switch to Bitcoin when it's easier to use, offers buyer protection and has more benefits than cc's. Which won't be anytime soon." << funny how dynamic equilibrium perceived as static works.
1112569;1430140975;mircea_popescu;dude proceeds from this locus where no matter what, he will keep on getting money on his govt issued card.
1112570;1430140989;mircea_popescu;because no matter what, govt will keep getting that money, and keep seeing him as a worthy expense.
1112571;1430140991;mircea_popescu;no matter what
1112572;1430140993;mircea_popescu;no matt...
1112573;1430141011;mircea_popescu;bitcoin doesn't take over through convincing random fuckwit of "more benefits". bitcoin takes over by raping the state. permanently.
1112574;1430141048;mircea_popescu;then OboombaIII is more than welcome to use all his cards for all the benefits he wants, whatever they may be. it won't be food, but hey, a rich life of the mind doth not require material contraptions.
1112575;1430141119;williamdunne;bitcoin doesn't take over through convincing random fuckwit of "more benefits". bitcoin takes over by raping the state. permanently. <<< See, I totally agree with this. But this is why I think that there should be bigger blocks (not Gavin's proposal, but statically bigger). Easier to rape the state surely if its less inconvenient and more people can do so
1112576;1430141146;mircea_popescu;im not sure how the logic worked there.
1112577;1430141161;williamdunne;More = More basically
1112578;1430141177;williamdunne;More people = More raping and pillaging
1112579;1430141184;mircea_popescu;more lice = better health.
1112580;1430141187;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Nah, then you just end up bloating the chain with welfare spam
1112581;1430141189;mircea_popescu;more white cells = better immunity.
1112582;1430141198;mircea_popescu;more water = better beach
1112583;1430141198;mircea_popescu;wtf ?!
1112584;1430141219;williamdunne;Not saying it holds up with everything
1112585;1430141232;mircea_popescu;so then why wopuld it hold up here.
1112586;1430141271;BingoBoingo;Moar White cells https://i.imgur.com/KsoGPjO.jpg
1112587;1430141272;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ovk20W )
1112588;1430141298;williamdunne;Because if more people are able to keep their funds away from government tendrils, it seems like it would do more damage than a few. While a few people have a lot of money to hide, a lot of people can be turned against them (i.e "evil tax avoiders") and violence works
1112589;1430141372;mircea_popescu;if violence worked, the situation wouldn't be stable currently.
1112590;1430141381;mircea_popescu;what was it, 1% of world pop owns 50% of assets or what ?
1112591;1430141436;mircea_popescu;besides, a little bit of violence would go a very long way towards resolving most of the western problems currently.
1112592;1430141470;williamdunne;Well yeah, but the violence I'm describing is going against the people who shouldn't be receiving it
1112593;1430141503;mircea_popescu;the thing with violence is that it's pretty self-explainatory.
1112594;1430141513;mircea_popescu;if you're receiving it, you should have been.
1112595;1430141551;williamdunne;How so?
1112596;1430141564;mircea_popescu;what do you mean how so ?
1112597;1430141585;williamdunne;Well there are lots of instances of violence where the people committing it should have been on the receiving end
1112598;1430141649;mircea_popescu;according to whom ?
1112599;1430141672;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112429 << if they had used hot ones, would be unstoppable
1112600;1430141672;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 09:22:40; mircea_popescu: well, they did invent them alright. they just made the mistake to make them women.
1112601;1430141699;mircea_popescu;hot women don't work for idiots. governments are always hierarchies of idiots. ergo...
1112602;1430141711;mircea_popescu;as a government, all you can get is beta males and menopausal females.
1112603;1430141732;mircea_popescu;soviets sunk on the former, the us is sinking on the latter, pretty much.
1112604;1430141747;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112439 << while i should like to see this happen (who wouldn't) - must confess that it is a titanic problem, not unlike bitcoin manufacturing incidentally. one ends up building a gigantic funnel of btc to usd
1112605;1430141747;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:08; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes / asciilifeform : re "build an exhaustive knowledge of every company that has ever made computer parts and an exhaustive understanding of which parts were made well and not at which point in time." << the correct approach to this is to do what mp has been saying needs doing for ages and start a bitcoin hoster.
1112606;1430141766;williamdunne;Relatively sensible consensus, i.e holocaust was bad, Armenian massacre is bad.
1112607;1430141786;williamdunne;asciilifeform: Bitcoin hoster?
1112608;1430141801;asciilifeform;williamdunne: aha. it is one of those notably-absent animals
1112609;1430141812;mircea_popescu;williamdunne consensus of whom ?!
1112610;1430141820;asciilifeform;(various wildlife claim to do it, yes. but no one in wot. and therefore it Does Not Exist)
1112611;1430141843;williamdunne;asciilifeform: No I mean literally what does it mean, a bitcoin web-hosting company?
1112612;1430141860;mircea_popescu;well, not necessarily web, people might want to host irc servers, etc. but yes.
1112613;1430141861;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Most, although I guess thats overly democratic
1112614;1430141867;asciilifeform;williamdunne: bitcoin in, leased machines out.
1112615;1430141878;williamdunne;asciilifeform: Yeah, I'd like to see one not operated by a tool
1112616;1430141888;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I think its fair to say holocaust is bad
1112617;1430141904;mircea_popescu;williamdunne but these aren't involved third parties. so the burned jews are too dead to say, and the burning germans are also too dead to say. at the time however it stands to reason the victims all agreed they shouldn't be victims, and the perpetrator agreed on the contrary pov.
1112618;1430141914;mircea_popescu;it being bad is one thing.
1112619;1430141924;jurov;williamdunne i am trying to put something together , maybe with TomServo but never did it before
1112620;1430141951;williamdunne;!gettrust jurov
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1112622;1430141955;jurov;i mean i have worked in a colo cage before, but never build one from scratch
1112623;1430141955;mircea_popescu;there's a space between "x is bad" and "x shouldn't have happened".
1112624;1430141971;williamdunne;Yeah, for sure I'd be glad to use it if you do
1112625;1430141982;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112442 << imho this is catastrophically misguided. in the same logic one might suppose that experience manufacturing dog food should be best qualifier for opening a fine steak restaurant
1112626;1430141982;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:33; mircea_popescu: because nobody knows about computer parts quite like the people doing procurement for a datacenter. so if you run your own metal and sublet to people, you're in the best position to learn these exactly.
1112627;1430141995;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: So the violence was just? Sorry I'm struggling to follow.
1112628;1430142013;mircea_popescu;violence is always just by its own measure. that's what violence is.
1112629;1430142038;asciilifeform;for instance, i regard experience with intel boxes as entirely irrelevant to what a hypothetical proper 'sommelier' would do.
1112630;1430142041;mircea_popescu;you might not agree, but it doth not ask you.
1112631;1430142055;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how would you achieve this regard other than through experience ?
1112632;1430142084;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very much through experience. but i do not know if anyone actually has this kind of experience.
1112633;1430142086;jurov;i have seen numerous people stick to one thing only "because of experience"
1112634;1430142097;asciilifeform;and data center procurement is the last place i'd expect to find it.
1112635;1430142118;mircea_popescu;you similarly don't expect to find experience with cars and car parts at the mechanic's ?
1112636;1430142122;asciilifeform;these folks can speak for cost - yes, reliability - sometimes, sure
1112637;1430142128;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: So if I were to beat you, it would be just for violence's sake?
1112638;1430142134;asciilifeform;but patrons of 'sommelier' are presumably interested in something more
1112639;1430142140;mircea_popescu;williamdunne if you manage it, you've managed it, right ?
1112640;1430142150;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: But I don't see how that makes it just
1112641;1430142183;mircea_popescu;well, "just" only exists in a certain context. in the context of violence itself, there's no space for more functions than "DidItHappen()" which returns a bool.
1112642;1430142188;jurov;mircea_popescu: you ever asked multiple automechanics which car is the most reliable?
1112643;1430142205;mircea_popescu;if you construct more complex spaces you get "WasItGood()" and "ShouldItHaveHappened()" etc, but now you are also stuck with the complexity.
1112644;1430142210;jurov;it's usually 2 people 3 answers situation
1112645;1430142211;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i would have approached from different angle, and suggested that sommelier must have actual understanding of how the damn thing works. as well as a certain amount of reverse-engineering capability.
1112646;1430142213;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Ah okay, right. That make more sense
1112647;1430142214;mircea_popescu;jurov ayup.
1112648;1430142219;williamdunne;I was more meaning morality
1112649;1430142239;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah but yu're a deductive nut. whereas the job of a sommelier is ipso definitio inductive.
1112650;1430142255;mircea_popescu;no sommelier "deduces" what the better wine is on the basis of watching winemaking videos or some shit
1112651;1430142268;mircea_popescu;williamdunne so how do you enact that morality ?
1112652;1430142275;jurov;well, imagine how would it work. i'll buy 10 kinds of various crap, observe for years how it behaves
1112653;1430142284;mircea_popescu;hopefully something more substantial than "most people agree"
1112654;1430142292;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the data center thing would be ideal, i agree, if anyone actually ran amd-only data centers
1112655;1430142292;jurov;and in the meantime they are not manufactured anymore
1112656;1430142299;asciilifeform;and jurov has it
1112657;1430142306;mircea_popescu;jurov yeh that's a problem.
1112658;1430142322;asciilifeform;even u.s. dod (pentagon) thought this was a problem.
1112659;1430142327;asciilifeform;attempted to solve, even.
1112660;1430142333;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Well thats hard to summarize with a formulae as its relative. Normally I would favour the person who was most productive prior to said violence
1112661;1430142336;williamdunne;But its murky at best
1112662;1430142423;mircea_popescu;this "most productive" approach is how you got eminent domain.
1112663;1430142468;asciilifeform;i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud-
1112664;1430142479;mircea_popescu;anyway, violence has the marked ethical advantage that it removes people from the goop where they imagine they are in control of their environmenty and the future.
1112665;1430142484;mircea_popescu;makes for much more pleasant people.
1112666;1430142496;williamdunne;I'll agree with that one
1112667;1430142523;mircea_popescu;one of those nimby problems : violence is not only great, in the general, but sorely needed for functioning society.
1112668;1430142528;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, nobody wishes it in his own yard.
1112669;1430142567;mircea_popescu;and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had.
1112670;1430142596;mircea_popescu;the police are trying to compensate, what with the random raping of middle class derps, but it's really a toothpick in a levy breach
1112671;1430142739;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I don't think they are actively trying to compensate, just a side effect
1112672;1430142742;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112284 << you'd be surprised at how little LSD this takes
1112673;1430142742;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 03:51:55; asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?
1112674;1430142744;williamdunne;Not that it makes much difference
1112675;1430142749;mircea_popescu;well obviously they wouldn't be aware.
1112676;1430142777;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112663 << being a sommelier is more about developing your tongue and nose than about memorizing the taste of x different types of wines
1112677;1430142778;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 13:47:48; asciilifeform: i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud-
1112678;1430142826;nubbins`;if you see an old man at the grocery store, walking around the produce section and picking up and smelling EVERYTHING, they're probably a sommelier
1112679;1430142827;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the thread concerned a conversation we had at c3 about a hypothetical profession of 'computer sommelier'
1112680;1430142848;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes summarized it, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112386
1112681;1430142848;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 05:51:14; scoopbot_revived: News! fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier URL: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/26_fyooturgigs-knife-sharpener-garbage-sorter-computational-sommelier.html
1112682;1430142849;nubbins`;ah, and here i am on wine
1112683;1430142853;nubbins`;yeah, agreed 100%
1112684;1430142861;williamdunne;Sommelier = Citizen of La Serenissima?
1112685;1430142870;nubbins`;williamdunne sommelier = wine guy
1112686;1430142875;williamdunne;Lol
1112687;1430142880;williamdunne;Okay, I was a mile off
1112688;1430142884;mircea_popescu;nubbins` they're prolly just bored
1112689;1430142897;nubbins`;mircea_popescu being a sommelier is pretty boring.
1112690;1430142906;nubbins`;your friends tend to come in 750mL bottles
1112691;1430142912;mircea_popescu;lol
1112692;1430142930;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, why i suggested 'sommelier' as term for the hypothetical: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582380
1112693;1430142930;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2014 03:27:12; asciilifeform: re: commoditized 'innovation' - here's a snipped from me turdbox. translation of a page in pelevin's epic 'snuff' (the one with s/ukraine/orkaine, 'orcs', etc)
1112694;1430142943;asciilifeform;(see ancient snippet in that thread)
1112695;1430142944;nubbins`;but srs, i've given a glass of wine to a L2 sommelier and he told me /which country and which grape/ it was made from
1112696;1430142973;nubbins`;guy's maybe 32 years old
1112697;1430142997;nubbins`;with a decade and a half of wine tasting under his belt
1112698;1430143012;mircea_popescu;more power to him
1112699;1430143028;nubbins`;"tastes like lychee"  "wtf does lychee taste like?"  "let's go to the grocery store..."
1112700;1430143044;nubbins`;skills like this, i have a soft spot for
1112701;1430143065;nubbins`;my old man used to work with this guy who claimed he could identify ~12 species of wood by smell alone
1112702;1430143084;nubbins`;so the old man brings in 12 wooden blanks for turning pens, and a blindfold.
1112703;1430143104;nubbins`;guy aces 11 of the 12, declares 12th to be "X or Y", and sure enough it was X
1112704;1430143113;asciilifeform;nubbins`: skills that cannot be faked or debased, i have a soft spot for, yes. but the fraudsters did find the pill against this, and it was to build entire fraudwots that cancerously spiderweb across any passageway whereby the layman might wander in
1112705;1430143136;asciilifeform;and that's how we get the faux-sommeliers who cannot distinguish red from white-with-food-colouring
1112706;1430143177;asciilifeform;or go and find me a data center guy who won't recommend an intel box, ever.
1112707;1430143178;nubbins`;ever watch "hell's kitchen"? it's not uncommon for "contestants" to be unable to distinguish pork from chicken by taste alone
1112708;1430143197;nubbins`;TBF this gave me a serious case of the o.Os
1112709;1430143210;asciilifeform;nubbins`: were these folks claiming to be professional 'tasters' ?
1112710;1430143218;nubbins`;naw. aspiring famous chefs.
1112711;1430143222;nubbins`;different specie
1112712;1430143231;asciilifeform;anybody can 'aspire' to whatever.
1112713;1430143236;nubbins`;heh
1112714;1430143246;asciilifeform;but if you learned that these folks -were making a living as chefs- ?
1112715;1430143272;asciilifeform;and that if you were not in -their- wot, you had no chance as a chef ?
1112716;1430143275;nubbins`;it would be my sad
1112717;1430143308;nubbins`;TBF i don't think i have a chance as a chef anyway
1112718;1430143322;*;asciilifeform is also not a chef
1112719;1430143325;asciilifeform;but for sake of argument.
1112720;1430143336;asciilifeform;do you see how the situation is analogous to the 'electronics chef' thing ?
1112721;1430143339;nubbins`;not because of lack of skill -- i put my way through university cooking and i can blow any self-described "chef" outta the water
1112722;1430143347;nubbins`;but because i don't have the patience to earn the red seal
1112723;1430143351;*;mircea_popescu is a chef, for all the diff it makes
1112724;1430143361;nubbins`;nor to condemn myself to working in restaurant kitchens
1112725;1430143373;mircea_popescu;oh, seals we mean ? aoknm.
1112726;1430143385;nubbins`;asciilifeform the space of "humans who grok their fields" is ever-shrinking
1112727;1430143389;mircea_popescu;why do we care about THAT issuer again ?
1112728;1430143399;nubbins`;*we* don't, the restauranteurs do
1112729;1430143410;nubbins`;for the same reason the places hiring programmers care about the B.Sc.
1112730;1430143418;nubbins`;not because it implies skill or suitability for the position
1112731;1430143432;nubbins`;but because it implies the holder is willing to waste time in pursuit of a "maybe"
1112732;1430143444;*;mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do.
1112733;1430143445;nubbins`;which is a really nice feature for your employees to have
1112734;1430143465;mircea_popescu;but aptly put.
1112735;1430143469;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do. << this is the very definition of atomic dirigible.
1112736;1430143497;mircea_popescu;i guess it must be
1112737;1430143502;davout;mike_c: could you make it possibru to zoom on the wot graphs?
1112738;1430143503;asciilifeform;not that it is a bad thing - but that the lessons learned inside such a machine are uniquely inapplicable to folks on the groud
1112739;1430143505;asciilifeform;*ground
1112740;1430143514;mircea_popescu;davout it's a svn, you should be able to zoom natively
1112741;1430143521;asciilifeform;svg?
1112742;1430143526;mircea_popescu;ya that one
1112743;1430143529;nubbins`;many of the lessons learned inside the kitchen are uniquely inapplicable outside, as well.
1112744;1430143542;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol this re the me vs rnavier piece ?
1112745;1430143547;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not that many, i find!
1112746;1430143550;asciilifeform;ah no
1112747;1430143555;asciilifeform;re: the 'fuck diplomas' thing
1112748;1430143556;nubbins`;"don't touch black things because they might be hot enough to send you to the hospital" :D
1112749;1430143565;mircea_popescu;i know for a fact my knowledge of welting and bruising helped cooking
1112750;1430143574;davout;mircea_popescu: doesn't really work for some reason, also the SVG tags are embedded directly in the HTML, makes it impossible to open in new tab for example
1112751;1430143586;mircea_popescu;ah that's a point.
1112752;1430143593;nubbins`;mircea_popescu do you find that argentinians mallet the fuck out of steaks?
1112753;1430143595;mircea_popescu;should be a file img src ?
1112754;1430143602;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nope.
1112755;1430143610;nubbins`;i found this to be almost the rule in peru, wondered if the epidemic was more widespread
1112756;1430143621;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : i had a proper bleue davout! quarter inch cooked on each side, one inch pure cold red inside
1112757;1430143627;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112435 << that is an advantage in roughly the same manner as bezzle automagically condensating on a plastic card in my position, is an advantage
1112758;1430143627;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 09:28:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112293 << on one end. on the other end, it has the advantage that it can allow *everyone* to pretend like they're part of the conversation. here people know nobody is listening to them, because they have no voice. on facebook/reddit/etc, every idiot can pretend that he's being heard because he can read himself and so why not.
1112759;1430143627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the rnavier thing - fella went into the scorpion pit, for no apparent reason, got stung a bit. big whoop.
1112760;1430143630;nubbins`;"i'll have the steak sandwich"  (server takes out heavy maul and nice steak)
1112761;1430143630;mircea_popescu;i thought of you the whole time.
1112762;1430143645;mircea_popescu;nubbins` they prollydo it for the milanesas
1112763;1430143662;nubbins`;o no doubt
1112764;1430143700;mircea_popescu;Adlai it is, no ?
1112765;1430143733;Adlai;it's an advantage within certain constraints, which are rather invisible from inside the cage
1112766;1430143735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00030064 = 10.3721 BTC [+] {3} 
1112767;1430143780;nubbins`;oh, meantime, i purchased a micro-registration head for the t-shirt press, to evaluate
1112768;1430143781;mircea_popescu;aham.
1112769;1430143797;nubbins`;only had to drill two holes through 1.4" aluminum to install
1112770;1430143801;nubbins`;and it FITS LIKE A GLOVE
1112771;1430143818;*;nubbins` searches for pic
1112772;1430143899;jurov;!s justusranvier
1112773;1430143900;assbot;474 results for 'justusranvier' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=justusranvier
1112774;1430143907;nubbins`;the fuckers quite obviously dropped the thing on the ground when packaging, one of the bolts is severely bent
1112775;1430143929;nubbins`;but luckily all the connections are rose joints and there's *just* enough clearance for the thing to still work
1112776;1430143975;mircea_popescu;jurov guy made a reddit post complaining about how okcupid canned his acct.
1112777;1430143984;mircea_popescu;kinda lulzy in multiple ways.
1112778;1430144032;nubbins`;imgur just gets shittier
1112779;1430144078;mircea_popescu;!gettrust justusranvier
1112780;1430144082;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user justusranvier: Level 1: 1, Level 2: -2 via 7 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=justusranvier | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/justusranvier/
1112781;1430144089;mircea_popescu;o.O
1112782;1430144106;nubbins`;here's the beast: http://i.imgur.com/U9006ln.jpg
1112783;1430144107;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FrhMSC )
1112784;1430144110;asciilifeform;iirc he went vocally and publicly with gavincoin
1112785;1430144136;BingoBoingo; and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had << Also the part where the largest agricultural use of water in California is... Alfalfa... for export to China as livestock fodder...
1112786;1430144158;nubbins`;good ol' free trade
1112787;1430144171;nubbins`;let's feed all our clean water to alfalfa plants so we can ship them overseash
1112788;1430144180;nubbins`;and buy bottled water with the money
1112789;1430144195;Adlai;please tell me about your water problems
1112790;1430144215;asciilifeform;'tell me again about the waters of your home world!' (TM) (R) 'Dune'
1112791;1430144219;nubbins`;i don't have any water problems, i'm from eastern canada
1112792;1430144245;davout;jurov: did my test e-mail to btd-dev work? received some feedback myself, just making sure it's all wired up correctly on my end
1112793;1430144251;nubbins`;here's two arms of the press, one without the micro registration head and one with: http://imgur.com/aOcDnzQ
1112794;1430144251;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvXY4n )
1112795;1430144253;mircea_popescu;!rate justusranvier -1 I dunno, afaik he's just kinda derpy (see http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.
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1112797;1430144254;assbot;What amused me today on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5nbJ2 )
1112798;1430144259;Adlai;some hypothesize that the root cause of the middle east confilict is... water
1112799;1430144285;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.justusranvier.-1:99670a7a9a8b4ce30196f7fa777da821fbb9e8635a61028891d78c7246f8bd24
1112800;1430144285;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for justusranvier from 1 to -1 with note: I dunno, afaik he's just kinda derpy (see http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.
1112801;1430144290;nubbins`;(the black parts labelled
1112802;1430144293;mircea_popescu;haha nice.
1112803;1430144302;nubbins`; "OK" should give an idea of what's been added)
1112804;1430144309;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this looks very much like the solder paste press i was considering buying
1112805;1430144311;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no more vegetables ?
1112806;1430144315;asciilifeform;i guess basic principle is similar
1112807;1430144335;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000085.html davout you mean this one?
1112808;1430144336;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvYeR5 )
1112809;1430144338;nubbins`;asciilifeform silkscreening is silkscreening, the only major differences are (a) the emulsion spread on screens to hold images, and (b) the inks
1112810;1430144349;davout;jurov: affirm
1112811;1430144358;nubbins`;i could silkscreen PCBs with this setup if i was OK with the fumes and caustic chems
1112812;1430144360;BingoBoingo; let's feed all our clean water to alfalfa plants so we can ship them overseash << But It's the only way to get some of these shipping containers back to China in a manner other than empty!
1112813;1430144370;mircea_popescu;Adlai how good is that hypothesis in your eyes ?
1112814;1430144384;nubbins`;BingoBoingo you mean the redditards haven't turned them all into "sweet $2,000 off-grid houses" yet?
1112815;1430144384;asciilifeform;nubbins`: silkscreen for pcb looks quite like this also. paste press is a somewhat different item, applies substance with consistency of toothpaste
1112816;1430144385;jurov;davout it was received, sent, archived.. what else did you expect?
1112817;1430144396;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Still vegetables, but... Not as many.
1112818;1430144399;davout;jurov: george clooney, some nespresso
1112819;1430144412;nubbins`;asciilifeform the white inks i use are somewhere between dried toothpaste and drywall compound in consistency
1112820;1430144418;nubbins`;nofun.jpg
1112821;1430144427;*;jurov hands davout hipster decaf coffe with non-dairy creamer sweetened by stevia
1112822;1430144436;mircea_popescu;stevia is a sweetener ?!
1112823;1430144443;nubbins`;mircea_popescu imagine hey?
1112824;1430144450;asciilifeform;nubbins`: solderpaste is even less fun, because actually is a suspension of metal balls. and if you misapply it, you get defects
1112825;1430144452;Adlai;mircea_popescu: there's some truth to it (pretty awesome owning both sides of the lake!) but it seems like an overly narrow version of "it's just tribal hysteresia that hasn't yet settled"
1112826;1430144453;mircea_popescu;it's just slightly bitter wtf.
1112827;1430144469;nubbins`;asciilifeform hm i bet you need some low mesh counts for that
1112828;1430144473;davout;mircea_popescu: yup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola_Life
1112829;1430144474;assbot;Coca-Cola Life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvYIGW )
1112830;1430144475;jurov;mircea_popescu: one can get used to it
1112831;1430144484;punkman;I saw ketchup with stevia at the super the other day
1112832;1430144486;nubbins`;we have some metallic inks that require ~80 threads per inch
1112833;1430144495;nubbins`;normal screens for paper printing: 305tpi
1112834;1430144505;mircea_popescu;Adlai i for one believe it's driven by women. specifically : the arabs understand voicing women is a problem and don't understand how to fix it, whereas the jews/xtians/other european colonists don't understand voicing women is a problem.
1112835;1430144553;punkman;mircea_popescu: stevia extract is pretty sweet
1112836;1430144559;punkman;I hate it though
1112837;1430144568;nubbins`;ever since that episode of Breaking Bad?
1112838;1430144569;Adlai;well it's tricky, because (arabs != muslims != those in conflict) with (jews != israelis != zionists)
1112839;1430144593;mircea_popescu;sure. but the groups are broadly arabs / jews+euros.
1112840;1430144599;mircea_popescu;different degrees of heat.
1112841;1430144611;Adlai;there is such a thing as "arab jews", they'll just stab you if you call them that
1112842;1430144616;Adlai;they make up a large part of israel's population
1112843;1430144626;nubbins`;guy's got a point
1112844;1430144628;mircea_popescu;what do they self identify as ?
1112845;1430144632;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Whats wrong with voicing women?
1112846;1430144639;Adlai;"sepharadic" jews
1112847;1430144652;mircea_popescu;williamdunne they favour "safety", and tend to misunderstand it.
1112848;1430144668;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha... Adlai cruisin' for a bruisin' online lawl
1112849;1430144677;Adlai;from "spharad" = spain, where they got kicked out from by the inquisitors, picked up some arab culture and genes for a few centuries, then immigrated here during the last
1112850;1430144683;williamdunne;But there is nothing wrong with voicing women who are risk tolerant?
1112851;1430144699;mircea_popescu;williamdunne what's "risk tolerant" ?
1112852;1430144729;williamdunne;Able to handle risk, i.e doesn't favour safety
1112853;1430144734;nubbins`;lel.
1112854;1430144736;mircea_popescu;women are very risk tolerant, by nature.
1112855;1430144751;mircea_popescu;they'll get pregnant, for one.
1112856;1430144776;nubbins`;oh man, only 4 days til the creature moves out
1112857;1430144785;nubbins`;caught a rare glimpse of him today
1112858;1430144787;mircea_popescu;that doesn't directly relate to the totally nutso things they do with their children. find one woman that considers a plain "don't worry about this one, you can make another" as an adequate condoleance over her dead baby.
1112859;1430144794;williamdunne;Isn't that de-risking in their opinion? An attempt to secure a spouse?
1112860;1430144815;mircea_popescu;nah, just, protective parenting.
1112861;1430144833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00029867 = 10.0054 BTC [-]
1112862;1430144853;asciilifeform;is this not because 'can make another' is not entirely a given? expensive operation (per yesterday's thread)
1112863;1430144866;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1112864;1430144880;mircea_popescu;the problem is that an overly protective attitude towards children ruins them.
1112865;1430144898;mircea_popescu;this worked fine back when the species was powerless, because nobody really cared what women derped about.
1112866;1430144913;mircea_popescu;as we've become powerful, they've suddenly got a major problem. much worse than teh nuclear bomb, really.
1112867;1430144940;asciilifeform;!s social osteoporosis
1112868;1430144940;assbot;2 results for 'social osteoporosis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=social+osteoporosis
1112869;1430144944;mircea_popescu;aptly named.
1112870;1430144987;mircea_popescu;kinda why the public discourse in natoland is so female centric these days btw. it's not some evil conspiracy against men, it's just, we've managed to dig out a very gendered problem and the bitchez are stuck trying to fix it.
1112871;1430144988;nubbins`;asciilifeform after looking at some solder paste press setups, yeah, you could 100% do this in my basement
1112872;1430145011;davout;my wife doesn't understand when i tell her that newborns sort of have to be "adopted" by the father at some point
1112873;1430145016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00029867 = 2.1355 BTC [-]
1112874;1430145020;nubbins`;almost certainly w/o even changing any of the chems or supplies
1112875;1430145031;mircea_popescu;davout how you mean ?
1112876;1430145143;davout;basically that women pretty much count a new child as "existing" as soon as they can feel it in their flesh, whereas men must wait to see the baby
1112877;1430145153;mircea_popescu;!up Swadq
1112878;1430145160;mircea_popescu;i guess that's a point.
1112879;1430145174;davout;source of misunderstandings some time :)
1112880;1430145190;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttstamp
1112881;1430145192;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.48, Best ask: 222.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 222.56, 24 hour volume: 9399.91239574, 24 hour low: 214.98, 24 hour high: 223.11, 24 hour vwap: 218.844375094
1112882;1430145200;nubbins`;http://www.ami.ac.uk/courses/topics/0222_print/
1112883;1430145200;assbot;Screen and stencil printing ... ( http://bit.ly/1bw19Jp )
1112884;1430145241;nubbins`;fascinating
1112885;1430145260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18630 @ 0.0003005 = 5.5983 BTC [+]
1112886;1430145274;nubbins`;incidentally, all this shit experienced a revival in western art because of warhol. and you should see pictures of the fuckin equipment he used. super wtf.
1112887;1430145282;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "fixing" by and large leans towards denial there's any problem whatsoever, so far. which is why the war. to get back to the original point with adlai.
1112888;1430145503;nubbins`;http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4345/photozino.jpg
1112889;1430145507;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bw2dwU )
1112890;1430145509;nubbins`;^ warhol silkscreen
1112891;1430145513;nubbins`;looks like metal mesh
1112892;1430145531;nubbins`;also 46 is an impossibly low mesh count.
1112893;1430145566;mircea_popescu;it does look like a metal mesh
1112894;1430145629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.01628985 = 1.515 BTC [-] {3} 
1112895;1430145690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 98 @ 0.01621938 = 1.5895 BTC [-] {5} 
1112896;1430145735;nubbins`;http://www.gigposters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153345
1112897;1430145738;assbot; How did Warhol print? ... ( http://bit.ly/1bw3010 )
1112898;1430145753;nubbins`;couple of the guys in that thread actually inherited some old warhol gear, pretty neat
1112899;1430145772;nubbins`;stalkers are also welcome to try finding me on the gp forums
1112900;1430145780;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> was giving lazyass foundation peeps time to comment, but nothing lasts 4evar. << My apologies, all set.
1112901;1430145807;mircea_popescu;haha thanks mod6
1112902;1430145809;nubbins`;"got a chance to look at a bunch up close in a gallery in hawaii, the ink was caked on and cracked all over. He used a bunch of different printers. the actual production of the art was no biggie, he just found images with halftones already and blew them up in a camera, or if he took the polaroids when he was doing all the portraits, he added a halftone small, then blew them up to make them go ratty. rubies were cut (or stencils) for b/g,
1112903;1430145809;nubbins`; and many times the printers were just given a bunch of colours and combos to work through."
1112904;1430145850;mircea_popescu;basically more of the same "warhol is this whore who made a lot of money and we being from america think this is art"
1112905;1430145886;nubbins`;pretty much
1112906;1430145906;nubbins`;"the ink was caked on and cracked all over" was saddening to read
1112907;1430145921;mircea_popescu;then all the derps hoping it wears off go all nutty "Any of you have some light to shed on a few of these questions?
1112908;1430145921;mircea_popescu;What method did he use for photo exposure? What did he use for positives, lith film using reversal process?"
1112909;1430145925;mircea_popescu;dude... he just did WHATEVER.
1112910;1430145938;mircea_popescu;now go find a woman to be nice and sense-of-humour-y to.
1112911;1430145949;nubbins`;heh
1112912;1430145953;nubbins`;he really did just do whatever
1112913;1430145956;mircea_popescu;yup.
1112914;1430145965;nubbins`;generally didn't even pull the squeegee himself
1112915;1430145976;nubbins`;just stood around being weird and told people to do shit
1112916;1430145988;mircea_popescu;hey, he knew his market.
1112917;1430145999;nubbins`;ayup
1112918;1430146023;nubbins`;silkscreen's this weird thing
1112919;1430146034;nubbins`;it's a difficult skill to master, really difficult
1112920;1430146048;nubbins`;if you ever wonder why "grunge texture" got so popular in gig posters and silkscreened art prints
1112921;1430146064;nubbins`;it's because the creators didn't know wtf they were doing and were unable to pull clean prints
1112922;1430146068;mircea_popescu;lol
1112923;1430146075;nubbins`;so they added "grunge texture" in photoshop to cover up their shit technique
1112924;1430146077;mircea_popescu;INDUSTRY STANDARD
1112925;1430146109;nubbins`;"now you can' tell if it's because it's on purpose, or because my mesh hasnt been changed in 5 years so it's noisy and has zero tension"
1112926;1430146144;nubbins`;not bragging or anything but i've never seen any silkscreen prints that are better than my own
1112927;1430146153;nubbins`;and i've been all over the world tracking the shit down
1112928;1430146196;mircea_popescu;you do find the stupidest shit to dedicate yourself to...
1112929;1430146209;mircea_popescu;silksreen, bitcoin, wood collection...
1112930;1430146234;nubbins`;hey, the only wood i collect these days is in pressed-pulp form
1112931;1430146249;nubbins`;but yeah, drugs and bitcoin are prolly the 2 stupidest so far
1112932;1430146314;*;nubbins` was dismayed at rudimentary binding techniques used by the atelier that inspired him to start printing on paper
1112933;1430146504;Adlai;not to mention landlording cretins
1112934;1430146626;nubbins`;Adlai hey that only happened once!
1112935;1430146648;nubbins`;altho i should tell you stories about the roommate who didn't have a sense of smell...
1112936;1430146788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5640 @ 0.00029665 = 1.6731 BTC [-]
1112937;1430147642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.000297 = 6.1776 BTC [+]
1112938;1430148641;Pierre_Rochard;!unrate danielkrawisz
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1112950;1430149124;pete_dushenski;"China says no more strippers at funerals. A statement from the Ministry of Culture on Thursday said the government is working with local police to stop suggestive funeral performances, which are intended to draw more mourners to the events." << whatever it takes to be best most popular dead guy.
1112951;1430149149;BingoBoingo;Well, if it works...
1112952;1430149157;pete_dushenski;well of course it works
1112953;1430149173;pete_dushenski;giving away free money would work too
1112954;1430149189;mircea_popescu;tbh, i think that is a fine idea
1112955;1430149199;mircea_popescu;nude bitchez funeral.
1112956;1430149236;BingoBoingo;Anyway, funeral is kinda supposed to be a celebration.
1112957;1430149287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, you want a dump of all these derpy exploits i keep getting emailed ?
1112958;1430149329;*;Pierre_Rochard can already see pete_dushenski sitting shiva with close relatives and strippers
1112959;1430149343;pete_dushenski;lol
1112960;1430149357;pete_dushenski;yes, when parents croak, why not ?
1112961;1430149375;Pierre_Rochard;a week of moral support, seems reasonable
1112962;1430149403;pete_dushenski;there are worse ways to use your inheritence.
1112963;1430149429;*;pete_dushenski suspects inheritance will actually go to spca or tree-planting in israel but w/e
1112964;1430149618;pete_dushenski;"you might want to think twice before you use Groupon (GRPN) to keep things safe. The Australian branch of the deal-scoring website is recalling a number of condoms sold between March 12th and April 10th. The condoms, labeled as Durex turned out to be counterfeit and the Australian Government Department of Health warns that they could have holes poked in them." << there are things to cut coupons for and then the
1112965;1430149619;pete_dushenski;re's condoms.
1112966;1430149666;pete_dushenski;day-old muffins doth not compare to a freaking child
1112967;1430149916;mircea_popescu;why would there be holes poked in them ?!
1112968;1430150008;pete_dushenski;terrorists.
1112969;1430150064;pete_dushenski;terrorists who want australian deal-seekers to deplete the island's public and natural resources.
1112970;1430150084;pete_dushenski;it's a long-term game.
1112971;1430150509;BingoBoingo;!up walltime
1112972;1430151032;Adlai;my rentmate dumped a chick for merely jesting about poking holes in his condoms
1112973;1430151468;mircea_popescu;sound.
1112974;1430151483;mircea_popescu;never just one cockroach in that kitchen.
1112975;1430151628;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_Fitzgerald << check it out, the gaw embarassment is chasing fraser all the way to wikipedia
1112976;1430151629;assbot;Cantor Fitzgerald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtTLVh )
1112977;1430151727;williamdunne;Lol
1112978;1430151738;williamdunne;How long until he tries to remove it?
1112979;1430151769;mircea_popescu;doubt he's that dumb.
1112980;1430151787;williamdunne;Smarter men have done dumber things
1112981;1430151791;mircea_popescu;^ "GAW Miners CEO Admits to Charity Fraud". Retrieved 2015-04-27.
1112982;1430151792;mircea_popescu;ahem
1112983;1430151842;williamdunne;!getrating mircea_popescu
1112984;1430151867;williamdunne;!rated mircea_popescu
1112985;1430151867;assbot;You have not rated mircea_popescu.
1112986;1430151882;williamdunne;!rate mircea_popescu 4 king of #b-a
1112987;1430151882;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/344742dfc17ba0cb
1112988;1430151908;williamdunne;!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.mircea_popescu.4:83795e4b29646ceb06cae8dfb61b1e27ca46f8bb523b95915038bf43f75a014c
1112989;1430151909;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 4 for mircea_popescu with note: king of #b-a
1112990;1430151953;mircea_popescu;i'm not even the washington of b-a, not having yet lead anyone through any valleyforge. let alone king.
1112991;1430152021;pete_dushenski;more like the andrew jackson ?
1112992;1430152026;pete_dushenski;or jfk ?
1112993;1430152034;williamdunne;Not dead yet
1112994;1430152040;mircea_popescu;hm
1112995;1430152049;mircea_popescu;in the immortal words of slappy the squirrel,
1112996;1430152056;mircea_popescu;"you remind me of a very young don quixote"
1112997;1430152087;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i'd give you more of a don juan.
1112998;1430152115;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i used to think so myself, but then i read on fetlife i'm really spurned by teh ladies, and so...
1112999;1430152121;mircea_popescu;maybe once i retire.
1113000;1430152140;pete_dushenski;retire ? fool you once...
1113001;1430152155;hanbot;mircea_popescu perhaps williamdunne meant the kind of king that's painted on velvet and prefers peanut butter banana sammiches.
1113002;1430152182;mircea_popescu;wait, what is this ?!
1113003;1430152219;williamdunne;On that note, FetLife still haven't responded to my gracious offer to fix their shit for 10 btc
1113004;1430152290;pete_dushenski;should've asked for 100
1113005;1430152301;pete_dushenski;it'd seem more serious
1113006;1430152324;williamdunne;10 btc is serious, I'm a poor man
1113007;1430152340;mircea_popescu;dude, they don';t have money.
1113008;1430152345;hanbot;mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ox1Tore9nw
1113009;1430152346;assbot;elvis presley - in the ghetto - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkXteU )
1113010;1430152358;pete_dushenski;like the dentist who's busy when priced competitively, wants to be less busy, jacks up his prices to the highest in town, and then has his doors beaten down with customers like never before.
1113011;1430152359;mircea_popescu;hahahaha jailhouse rock eh ?
1113012;1430152399;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski happens more to gynecologists/cosmetic surgeons than dentists but yeah
1113013;1430152402;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: i'm not saying 10 btc isn't serious, but isn't premium enough. they are poor though.
1113014;1430152432;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: no doubt. i just happen to know a dentist for whom this happened, so it was salient.
1113015;1430152467;pete_dushenski;i don't personally know any gynes or boob docs.
1113016;1430152468;mircea_popescu;hanbot geez he's so out of it...
1113017;1430152469;mircea_popescu;poor guy.
1113018;1430152474;mircea_popescu;there's nothing as bad as success.
1113019;1430152486;BingoBoingo;Where's scoopy?
1113020;1430152496;pete_dushenski;i was wondering the same !
1113021;1430152512;mircea_popescu;dude this is the god damned curse of the rss
1113022;1430152514;williamdunne;Wait is scoopy down? One sec
1113023;1430152517;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/04/prosecution-shenanigans-continue-as-ulbricht-sentencing-approaches/
1113024;1430152518;assbot;Prosecution Shenanigans Continue as Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkY7sR )
1113025;1430152564;scoopbot_revived;News! Prosecution Shenanigans Continue as Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/prosecution-shenanigans-continue-as-ulbricht-sentencing-approaches/
1113026;1430152564;assbot;Prosecution Shenanigans Continue as Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkYgwl )
1113027;1430152566;williamdunne;I really need to stick him on a server ASAP
1113028;1430152567;mircea_popescu;hanbot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj0Rz-uP4Mk << better elvis
1113029;1430152568;assbot;Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock (Music Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkYmnx )
1113030;1430152575;mircea_popescu;williamdunne where's it now ?
1113031;1430152584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.000297 = 9.8901 BTC [+]
1113032;1430152618;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: My desktop
1113033;1430152656;mircea_popescu;nowai ?!
1113034;1430152663;williamdunne;yeswai?1
1113035;1430152667;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1113036;1430152705;hanbot;mircea_popescu: doesn't even sound like him. i'd say the doldrums did wonders for his voice.
1113037;1430152763;mircea_popescu;" At the sentencing hearing the prosecution plans to present new evidence,"
1113038;1430152767;mircea_popescu;dude who the fuck heard of this!
1113039;1430152783;pete_dushenski;whoa. that IS nuts.
1113040;1430152814;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1113041;1430152855;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And you thought they were a rogue state before...
1113042;1430152863;mircea_popescu;nice piece i must say
1113043;1430152870;mircea_popescu;your journalism is maturing.
1113044;1430152889;mircea_popescu;"The parents of two of the allegedly six persons who supposedly died from overdosing on Silk Road drugs are Bharara's list to testify at Ulbricht's sentencing."
1113045;1430152893;mircea_popescu;dude no fucking way roflmao omfg.
1113046;1430152914;mircea_popescu;this sounds like they think they lost ?
1113047;1430153010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00029665 = 9.7301 BTC [-]
1113048;1430153032;mircea_popescu;im definitely paying for a coupla people to cry at preet's own sentencing.
1113049;1430153049;mircea_popescu;esp if it's the "with beheading" version.
1113050;1430153078;ascii_field;hedzoff.com
1113051;1430153118;*;Adlai parsed that as "Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL"
1113052;1430153119;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The unprintable stuff in other media is Dratel's gut reaction is a "harm reduction" defense, and not STFU if this wasn't good enough for trial, roll it in sand and shove it up your ass.
1113053;1430153173;BingoBoingo;I just can't take Dratel seriously as part of "Team Ulbricht" anymore
1113054;1430153199;mircea_popescu;goes to show that any man who hires a clerk of the court to defend him from the us govt is having a fool for a client
1113055;1430153202;mircea_popescu;or how did that ditty go.
1113056;1430153236;williamdunne;"The parents of two of the allegedly six persons who supposedly died from overdosing on Silk Road drugs are Bharara's list to testify at Ulbricht's sentencing." <<< fo'real? Appealing to the juries feels
1113057;1430153242;Adlai;williamdunne: scalpl (my thingy) spent a year on a thinkpad x30 without a harddisk, i think you're doing just fine
1113058;1430153280;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Actually SOP, except for the part where this allegedly harm wasn't presented at all during trial
1113059;1430153325;williamdunne;Not to mention they would have been doing drugs anyway
1113060;1430153442;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/27/avenue-q/
1113061;1430153443;assbot;Avenue Q | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EejgO3 )
1113062;1430153473;pete_dushenski;^last review for the citadel theatre this season.
1113063;1430153739;pete_dushenski;"Current versions of WordPress are vulnerable to a stored XSS. An unauthenticated attacker can inject JavaScript in WordPress comments. The script is triggered when the comment is viewed. "
1113064;1430153753;pete_dushenski;"To prevent exploitation, administrators should disable comments (Dashboard, Settings/Discussion, select as restrictive options as possible). Do not approve any comments. "
1113065;1430153775;mircea_popescu;derp
1113066;1430153794;pete_dushenski;this is what passes for "news" it seems.
1113067;1430153841;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90298 << published on tirlema, 2012.
1113068;1430153841;assbot;The Storm That Was Fel on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dl27JH )
1113069;1430153865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140590 @ 0.00029718 = 41.7805 BTC [+] {2} 
1113070;1430153960;pete_dushenski;aha.
1113071;1430153987;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112957 << exploits for what
1113072;1430153987;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 15:41:27; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you want a dump of all these derpy exploits i keep getting emailed ?
1113073;1430153999;mircea_popescu;windows, mostly.
1113074;1430154006;kakobrekla;* Adlai parsed that as "Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL < the redundant ministry of redundancy put that there
1113075;1430154017;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: actual exploits, or idiot trojans ?
1113076;1430154029;ascii_field;because there is no shortage of the latter
1113077;1430154035;mircea_popescu;idiot trojans.
1113078;1430154043;*;ascii_field suspects he gets the same ones
1113079;1430154044;mircea_popescu;cab/zip/pdf/xls take your pick
1113080;1430154051;mircea_popescu;kinda what i was curious about
1113081;1430154055;ascii_field;send'em over
1113082;1430154119;mircea_popescu;includes gems like
1113083;1430154119;mircea_popescu;AMAZON.CO.UKMar 5, 2014 +468 KiBorder #559-69409{_DIGIT[5]
1113084;1430154158;ascii_field;l0l i get just about all of the items mircea_popescu quotes
1113085;1430154158;Adlai;kakobrekla: srsly, how about just:   
1113086;1430154164;Adlai;or rather i should bitch at williamdunne
1113087;1430154236;williamdunne; <url> is possible
1113088;1430154256;mircea_popescu;williamdunne just drop the "URL"
1113089;1430154259;mircea_popescu;it's obvious it's an url.
1113090;1430154282;*;Adlai wants (poster locator &rest title-words) !
1113091;1430154404;Adlai;BingoBoingo: any estimates on the range of possibilities are for the sentencing?
1113092;1430154409;williamdunne;Will be taken into consideration with re-imp
1113093;1430154433;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Pretty much 20 years to life
1113094;1430154450;jurov;!gettrust rmunroe
1113095;1430154450;assbot;Trust relationship from user jurov to user rmunroe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=jurov&to=rmunroe | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rmunroe/
1113096;1430154451;*;Adlai doesn't see why it's relevant to have additional testimonies, on either side, once the jury has convicted... shouldn't the judge sentence based on the same evidence used by the jury?
1113097;1430154460;jurov;!gettrust assbot rmunroe
1113098;1430154461;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user rmunroe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=rmunroe | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rmunroe/
1113099;1430154468;williamdunne;Adlai: Till death do we part
1113100;1430154535;Adlai;it's almost ironic how the continued persecution just cements ross's martyrdom
1113101;1430154542;Adlai;have they forgotten how to dump bodies in the ocean?
1113102;1430154565;williamdunne;Kangaroo Courts are more entertaining
1113103;1430154583;kakobrekla;Adlai talk to williamdunne bout that
1113104;1430154800;pete_dushenski;not forgotten, can't afford it.
1113105;1430154811;pete_dushenski;Adlai: ^
1113106;1430154829;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Generally a jury sentences in USia if a jury tried
1113107;1430154869;pete_dushenski;Adlai: like christina in argentina can only afford to have one crown prosecutor die.
1113108;1430154880;pete_dushenski;even though 3 more replaced him and now she's pooched.
1113109;1430154887;Adlai;jury sentencing is... decentralized! yay
1113110;1430154892;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ok that should be enough
1113111;1430154938;mircea_popescu;" This message has been rejected because it has a potentially executable attachment "You received a new message from Skype    voicemail service.eml""
1113112;1430154942;mircea_popescu;lol not even mail would take it
1113113;1430154956;*;Adlai never understood the forward vs attach dichotomy
1113114;1430154980;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1113115;1430155004;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: as far as i can see it's spamolade
1113116;1430155008;ascii_field;rather than targeted-anything
1113117;1430155062;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000085.html << didn't we cut a version of auto.sh that used foundation-hosted tarballs of all of the above?
1113118;1430155063;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dl6a95 )
1113119;1430155069;mircea_popescu;well who the fuck targets with this windows crap.
1113120;1430155072;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112972 << i always thought that chemical 'layers must not touch' colour change thing would be just right for condom
1113121;1430155072;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 16:10:32; Adlai: my rentmate dumped a chick for merely jesting about poking holes in his condoms
1113122;1430155080;ben_vulpes;and pete_dushenski i'm pretty sure that custom is an acceptable use in that context
1113123;1430155084;*;ben_vulpes back to salt mines
1113124;1430155110;ascii_field;mircea_popescu:  who the fuck targets with this windows crap << plenty of folks
1113125;1430155111;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: that's cool. it's your article.
1113126;1430155146;Adlai;ascii_field: no, that's just for detecting roofies; sperm belong to the succubus from first arousal
1113127;1430155211;ascii_field;Adlai: no, what i meant was, it is not especially difficult to make layers that change colour (or give off heat, smoke, etc) if they come into contact through a broken intermediate shield
1113128;1430155273;ascii_field;naturally for the envelope, not condom per se
1113129;1430155277;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/04/27/professor-fails-his-entire-class-and-his-university-intervenes
1113130;1430155282;assbot;A professor fails his entire class and his university intervenes | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gyuvl9 )
1113131;1430155282;*;Adlai is aware, was just dribbling idiocy. technology has existed to solve many problems, which isn't yet in use...
1113132;1430155287;mircea_popescu;i think what *he* meant was that he lives under oppression.
1113133;1430155373;Adlai;if you do it for the condom, it detects accident as well as sabotage
1113134;1430155534;mircea_popescu;i know i don't.
1113135;1430155548;Pierre_Rochard;http://fortune.com/2015/04/27/bitcoin-circle-cash/
1113136;1430155549;assbot;Exclusive: Bitcoin company Circle raising new cash - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1dl7F6V )
1113137;1430155549;mircea_popescu;so far, i broke dozens of condoms. had none sabotaged.
1113138;1430155560;Pierre_Rochard;“in the midst of raising around $40 million at a pre-money valuation of approximately $200 million"
1113139;1430155562;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is very clearly not even theoretically the target audience, though.
1113140;1430155595;Pierre_Rochard;looks like a leak and nothing has been signed…
1113141;1430155611;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard so lulzy. then garza tries and fails to raise 50k via his muchly-crimped cantor fitzgerald contact.
1113142;1430155613;Pierre_Rochard;(speaking of broken condoms !)
1113143;1430155642;mircea_popescu;can't get 50k in real money, all the while derps get "40mn" in pseudo money.
1113144;1430155643;ascii_field;and speaking of sabotage,
1113145;1430155644;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/2015/04/goodcrypto-attacked.htm
1113146;1430155646;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dl7UPt )
1113147;1430155647;Pierre_Rochard;… fitting that GAW would end up as a footnote to 9/11
1113148;1430155716;Adlai;"Open source software . Preinstalled . Configured . Bootable ISO . Your hardware . Your sysadmin . Professional support . Automatic security updates"
1113149;1430155733;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ahh excellent.
1113150;1430155742;ascii_field;mega-lulz
1113151;1430155761;Adlai;to their credit, "Do not use GoodCrypto for mail encryption if: You are already encrypting mail. Even if GoodCrypto is easier, we don't want a monoculture."
1113152;1430155841;kakobrekla;!v assbot:assbot.unrate.justusranvier:5a9e79640e6e21dae6facd8c3e466e3175679dd430ff9067805e5f20d9946cbf
1113153;1430155841;assbot;Invalid verfication string.
1113154;1430155852;kakobrekla;hm
1113155;1430155857;kakobrekla;what did i miss
1113156;1430155866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.000301 = 18.963 BTC [+] {2} 
1113157;1430155890;kakobrekla;ah ok
1113158;1430155898;Adlai;expiration?
1113159;1430155927;kakobrekla;!up assbott
1113160;1430155940;ascii_field;and where is the 'https is a crock of shit' gotterdammerung ?
1113161;1430155952;BingoBoingo;!up JuliaTourianski_
1113162;1430155970;assbott;!v assbot:assbot.unrate.fabianb:b21e6a56eb26dafd89cc5ba2b24a9464a5dfc4b945602717b7935b87baf56d19
1113163;1430155970;assbot;assbott is not registered in WoT.
1113164;1430155974;mircea_popescu;!up JuliaTourianski_
1113165;1430155975;mircea_popescu;yo.
1113166;1430155986;mircea_popescu;ascii_field in the logs.
1113167;1430155990;assbott;ah imma have it done in private msg
1113168;1430156006;ascii_field;l0l sure in the logs. but what of the lusers - none of them actually want to live ?
1113169;1430156018;JuliaTourianski_;yo
1113170;1430156021;mircea_popescu;what do they care.
1113171;1430156030;mircea_popescu;you got in the wot yet JuliaTourianski_ ?
1113172;1430156054;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: With the FetLife replacement project how important is the client side JS encryption? Would it for example be redundant if hosted on metal outside of the US, and operated by someone willing to say fuck you to a subpoena?
1113173;1430156070;mircea_popescu;it's never redundant.
1113174;1430156073;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Working on scoping the whole thing out for you, but changes things a bit
1113175;1430156086;williamdunne;Okay, would it be important to you in other words?
1113176;1430156090;JuliaTourianski_;should be
1113177;1430156109;mircea_popescu;williamdunne in other words without encryption it is not worth even mentioning.
1113178;1430156135;williamdunne;Ok, it can still be done, just limits some usability things
1113179;1430156155;williamdunne;What data is deemed to be suitable to keep outside of encryption?
1113180;1430156182;mircea_popescu;the site structure.
1113181;1430156183;JuliaTourianski_;"doesn't hurt to touch base with the guy who owns an exchange worth 300k and who was asking about you.. " daniel p. barron
1113182;1430156203;*;ascii_field still doesn't grasp why folks seem intent on building another 'lavabit'
1113183;1430156214;mircea_popescu;JuliaTourianski_ he has a way about him. anyway, do me a favour, read the clocks thing
1113184;1430156223;mircea_popescu;i wanna hear how it sounds out of your mouth.
1113185;1430156230;JuliaTourianski_;i already emaile du about it...kinda
1113186;1430156240;mircea_popescu;ah. /me checks
1113187;1430156263;JuliaTourianski_;who wrote it?
1113188;1430156268;mircea_popescu;should remind you of auden lol.
1113189;1430156276;*;ascii_field wonders if mircea_popescu is using 'clocks' thing to look for a nice voice to go on the #b-a shortwave propaganda station
1113190;1430156324;mircea_popescu;ascii_field maybe i'm just trying to misguide the metansa!
1113191;1430156368;jurov;https://github.com/jurov/wot/blob/master/update_gpg.py little help for anyone who wants to maintain WoT gpg keyring
1113192;1430156369;assbot;wot/update_gpg.py at master · jurov/wot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dlajtD )
1113193;1430156379;mircea_popescu;nice.
1113194;1430156415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00030119 = 10.4965 BTC [+]
1113195;1430156428;kakobrekla;http://dpaste.com/0SNX1AA.txt
1113196;1430156428;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dlazsB )
1113197;1430156432;kakobrekla;that covers it i think
1113198;1430156452;mircea_popescu;ah splendid
1113199;1430156460;mircea_popescu;danke kako.
1113200;1430156462;ascii_field;RIP moiety
1113201;1430156467;mircea_popescu;didja see the argentinian sweets shop ?
1113202;1430156641;mats;that was suspicious... i think i crashed assbot
1113203;1430156684;kakobrekla;i restarted it to kick it out of schizophrenic mode
1113204;1430156699;BingoBoingo;jurov: ty http://stellarosawines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/712866742how-to-make-cup-o-joe-chocolate-cookies_page.jpg
1113205;1430156701;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dlbsRY )
1113206;1430156746;ascii_field;'When we tried wget, it detected errors, retried, and finally succeeded. It said the error was a bad length field in a TLS packet. That didn't make sense at first because we thought TLS packets were error corrected by TCP.' << incidentally, i am not certain that i agree with the author's conclusion ('reverse heartbleed'.) it may very well be an attempt to exploit other braindamage in http stack
1113207;1430156787;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yeah it's not clear from the notes that they actually identified the mechanism
1113208;1430156806;mircea_popescu;"The attack appears to be from someone sitting on the net pipes and injecting packets. This requires huge resources. The U.S., U.K., Canadian, and Chinese spooks do this. Ordinary criminals don't have the ability."
1113209;1430156812;ascii_field;and based on the choice of target, usg -wants- idiots to use 'goodcrypto' on account of it being derp
1113210;1430156820;ascii_field;but needed to write this love letter in very oblique way
1113211;1430156830;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1113212;1430156850;ascii_field;note that it wasn't being done to gpg
1113213;1430156854;mircea_popescu;weakest link in the whole thing. a) "criminals" ie, non-criminals do have the ability, it's really not that hard and b) how did he figure that
1113214;1430156886;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: allusion to the 'quantum insert' thing where they mitm million+ connections at backbone level
1113215;1430156896;mircea_popescu;"Because the goodcrypto.com servers are in Europe, China is an unlikely suspect." because...
1113216;1430156933;ascii_field;chinese mo is, traditionally, shenanigans at own border
1113217;1430156950;ascii_field;because they are mainly concerned with simple internal cattle management
1113218;1430156972;ascii_field;rather than usg-style boiling of the oceans
1113219;1430157001;mircea_popescu;judging by the 1mn aid kerry announced for nepal, i'd say us is just as internal cattle management-y.
1113220;1430157032;ascii_field;u.s. takes 'internal' to mean whole of planet3
1113221;1430157063;mircea_popescu;allegedly. i have some trouble following these texts that rely so heavily on knowledge of other machine's internal states.
1113222;1430157077;mircea_popescu;id' have liked that report a lot more if it focused on a complete description of the mechanism of action
1113223;1430157089;mircea_popescu;in lieu of idle speculation of the geopolitical considerations.
1113224;1430157114;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: for all i know, the entire purpose of that report was to make the offender go underwater and prevent proper forensic work
1113225;1430157133;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1113226;1430157134;ascii_field;sorta like the actual meatspace effect of much of the snowden thing
1113227;1430157162;ascii_field;(e.g., where the fuck is my 'FLUXBABBITT' ? bounty, and no one took. how many zeroes would have to be added ?)
1113228;1430157186;ascii_field;at the time of that post, it was several $k us
1113229;1430157211;ascii_field;( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1422 )
1113230;1430157212;assbot;Loper OS » Wanted: FLUXBABBITT. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dldf9r )
1113231;1430157275;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: With the site's meet + greet space, what should be publicly viewable. Should users be able to set public/private names individually (private of course encrypted)?
1113232;1430157487;ascii_field;[4] https://goodcrypto.com/redirect-offsite/https://eternally[SNIPPED]/wget.exe << l0l re: idiots serving up winblows exe to chumperz
1113233;1430157542;mircea_popescu;!gettrust bigbitz
1113234;1430157544;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bigbitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 17 via 16 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=bigbitz | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/bigbitz/
1113235;1430158079;mircea_popescu;ascii_field for the record, that fluxbabbitt thing is such bs... srsly, interdiction costs $500 now ?
1113236;1430158109;mircea_popescu;williamdunne user's names should publicly be the key.
1113237;1430158117;mircea_popescu;privately, whatever alias.
1113238;1430158229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39802 @ 0.00029647 = 11.8001 BTC [-] {2} 
1113239;1430158595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48850 @ 0.00029645 = 14.4816 BTC [-]
1113240;1430159144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00029629 = 10.9627 BTC [-] {2} 
1113241;1430159491;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1113242;1430159499;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: how the hell would i know what it costs
1113243;1430159560;ascii_field;for all we know, the jtag daughterboards never existed en masse because boobytraps baked into silicon at factory more than suffice
1113244;1430160547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8307 @ 0.00030119 = 2.502 BTC [+]
1113245;1430160655;jurov;http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150420-why-do-women-have-periods
1113246;1430160656;assbot;BBC - Earth - Why do women have periods when most animals don't? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLa4mL )
1113247;1430160658;jurov;"It prevents her from investing in a bad embryo, lets her get rid of it right away, and primes her body for another successful pregnancy."
1113248;1430160662;jurov;perl, indeed
1113249;1430161369;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1113250;1430161950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 594 @ 0.0017268 = 1.0257 BTC [-] {2} 
1113251;1430161988;jurov;!shasum wot
1113252;1430161989;assbot;sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 7dafb72baef08b6a23eaf3c16693180d851d1f433113236af63d72e007a72f1a
1113253;1430161990;assbot;sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 466874a6f4704d2e62a683e5f81bb1c3023ea9884ec76962b67e35fae8df4b32
1113254;1430161991;assbot;sha256sum trustlist.txt : 3511d840ab9535e213e051f1f02a873e4531b6a26719080dd96134abe14af438
1113255;1430162092;jurov;so to be sure trustlist.txt is okay i need to come to irc and intercourse with assbot?
1113256;1430162139;fluffypony;lol
1113257;1430162147;fluffypony;"intercourse with assbot" is my new favourite phrase
1113258;1430162736;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Would this cover all of the main features? https://mega.co.nz/#!ItBmiT5A!le5xA-v_oBLQfQXG4Jipe5FDUoD_dpcrFM4ALsUX8wg
1113259;1430162737;assbot;MEGA ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQpOPI )
1113260;1430162788;ascii_field;warez hoster for a ~1kb zip, wtf
1113261;1430162864;williamdunne;I have an existing account there, and easy to drag and drop it over. What is a better option?
1113262;1430162879;ascii_field;dpaste ?
1113263;1430162895;williamdunne;Hmm yeah that could work. Is HTML
1113264;1430163109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38645 @ 0.00030157 = 11.6542 BTC [+] {3} 
1113265;1430163177;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1113266;1430165061;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9HimLksMkA
1113267;1430165062;assbot;Shamir vs. Diffie on Bitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gqd5EO )
1113268;1430165671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34030 @ 0.00030557 = 10.3985 BTC [+] {2} 
1113269;1430167679;mircea_popescu;williamdunne can it be a paste ? blog article ? something ?
1113270;1430167686;mircea_popescu;comment on trilema even
1113271;1430167711;mircea_popescu;ascii_field because it said on the friggin paper
1113272;1430167747;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1113273;1430167752;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, may I have an eulora account?
1113274;1430167753;mircea_popescu;jurov how do most animals not have periods ?!
1113275;1430167786;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron defo.
1113276;1430167791;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the 500 for 'hardware and installation' includes only what the monkey does in the interdiction checkpoint
1113277;1430167807;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you ever seen a usg contractor bill ?
1113278;1430167809;mircea_popescu;$500 ? srsly ?
1113279;1430167816;ascii_field;rather than the cost of interdiction, which is in fact externalized to cisco et al
1113280;1430167819;mircea_popescu;what is this, fluxblabber by radioshack ?
1113281;1430167875;mircea_popescu;$500 buys the us a pogo.
1113282;1430167906;ascii_field;presumably the 'unit cost' is what the components actually cost. rather than the usual amortized nre, etc. which honest people include in such a figure.
1113283;1430167937;mircea_popescu;makes no sense it'd figure there.
1113284;1430167981;mircea_popescu;lmao amir doesn't get it.
1113285;1430168005;mircea_popescu;false dichotomy. la serenissima IS the establishment. that some faux estab lishments characterize it as "rebels"...
1113286;1430168011;mircea_popescu;big whoop.
1113287;1430168050;mircea_popescu;shamir*
1113288;1430168069;ascii_field;one can only suppose that he has not taken the lsd yet.
1113289;1430168101;mircea_popescu;prolly interacted with a bunch of "representatives", got the natural conclusion "kids be idiots".
1113290;1430168106;mircea_popescu;and speaking of eulora, http://oi62.tinypic.com/k06paw.jpg
1113291;1430168111;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLv2BM )
1113292;1430168151;ascii_field;^ neato
1113293;1430168177;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: http://justpaste.it/ksxk
1113294;1430168178;assbot;Generate RSA keys in browser. Store public and private ke... - justpaste.it ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLv90n )
1113295;1430168263;mike_c;can we never use tinypic again?
1113296;1430168264;mircea_popescu;uh that's a pretty bad spec neh ? what's M+Gs ?
1113297;1430168271;mircea_popescu;mike_c ok. why ?
1113298;1430168282;williamdunne;Meet and Greets
1113299;1430168282;mircea_popescu;btw mike_c, save a copy of the big svg pre update tonight ?
1113300;1430168291;williamdunne;Yeah just wanted to get a basic idea of functionality, nothing too fancy
1113301;1430168303;mike_c;it is covered with floating ads and pops up tabs with warez.
1113302;1430168326;mircea_popescu;well that's mostly in teh trilema post. i was looking for more of a "use X thing from Y to do encoding. add Z from K to do M." etc.
1113303;1430168344;mircea_popescu;mike_c the direct link ?!
1113304;1430168354;mike_c;direct link redirects you
1113305;1430168368;mircea_popescu;o.O
1113306;1430168374;mircea_popescu;it didn't redirect me. wtf ?
1113307;1430168383;mike_c;you must have better JS filtering
1113308;1430168404;mircea_popescu;but it's just a jpg.
1113309;1430168408;mike_c;and sure, I'll save a copy of the graph.  Trivial for anyone to do with right-click, save-as
1113310;1430168412;mike_c;it's not a jpg really
1113311;1430168416;mike_c;it's whatever the server says to do
1113312;1430168445;mike_c;like:  location *.png { rewrite }
1113313;1430168451;mircea_popescu;$ curl -I http://oi62.tinypic.com/k06paw.jpg
1113314;1430168456;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLvGzq )
1113315;1430168456;mircea_popescu;Content-Type: image/png
1113316;1430168456;mircea_popescu;Content-Length: 1252013
1113317;1430168487;trinque;can confirm that a) it redirected me too the first time and b) didn't now
1113318;1430168495;mircea_popescu;o.O
1113319;1430168506;mircea_popescu;this is some suspicious shit
1113320;1430168523;jurov;mircea_popescu: apparently the heat other animals have is distinct from full period with menstruation
1113321;1430168551;mircea_popescu;jurov well ok, that's true. but i mean you know, the feet of ungulates are distinct from the feet of palmipedes or w/e
1113322;1430168576;jurov;they don't have so aggressive emryos, don't need to reinforce and then shed uterus wall
1113323;1430168583;jurov;that's all it was about
1113324;1430168627;mircea_popescu;well it's called "covert menstruation", it still bleeds byt they carry their tampax inside.
1113325;1430168651;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Wanted to make sure that we're on the same page before doing that. Happy to do a scope like that but first I've done in that level of detail
1113326;1430168656;williamdunne;Only done for non-technicals before
1113327;1430168681;mircea_popescu;williamdunne b-a style development is a very loose process.
1113328;1430168696;williamdunne;Suits me
1113329;1430168785;mike_c;chetty: cool pic!  kinda sad to see boxy go :)
1113330;1430168843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00029528 = 5.4184 BTC [-]
1113331;1430168889;mircea_popescu;yeah huh.
1113332;1430169867;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112707 <<< worse than that, american kids don't even know their basic vegetables https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGYs4KS_djg
1113333;1430169867;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 13:59:38; nubbins`: ever watch "hell's kitchen"? it's not uncommon for "contestants" to be unable to distinguish pork from chicken by taste alone
1113334;1430169869;assbot;Potato or Tomato? - Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution | Promo Clip | On Air With Ryan Seacrest - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gz827B )
1113335;1430170039;mircea_popescu;cazalla the funniest part is, they think they hate various vegetables they've never had.
1113336;1430170045;mircea_popescu;yeah, i'd hate frozen shit too.
1113337;1430170075;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1113338;1430170131;ascii_field;and then they visit b-a and they can have opposite problem, described in asimov's 'secret sense' :
1113339;1430170133;ascii_field;https://archive.org/stream/TheSecretSense/TheSecretSenseByIsaacAsimov1941#page/n1/mode/2up
1113340;1430170134;assbot;The Secret Sense ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gz8Qt9 )
1113341;1430170182;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i had some crema de almendras and thought of you
1113342;1430170196;ascii_field;now eat some burned tyre and think of me, l0l
1113343;1430170203;mircea_popescu;noty
1113344;1430170223;mircea_popescu;i also had cherisse with maraschino cherries, but thought of ben.
1113345;1430170251;*;ascii_field is having some difficulty re-habituating to earthling food
1113346;1430170382;cazalla;<mircea_popescu> yeah, i'd hate frozen shit too. <<< ya, friend of the missus has knocked back freebies from my garden a few times on the basis she "doesn
1113347;1430170394;cazalla;doesn't like that".. same woman who thought pumpkins grew under the ground lol
1113348;1430171463;BingoBoingo;<cazalla> doesn't like that".. same woman who thought pumpkins grew under the ground lol << pumpkin seeds are the best vandalism
1113349;1430172014;mircea_popescu;vandalism ?
1113350;1430172089;williamdunne;Guessing throw them on some land and watch a bunch of pumpkins turn up
1113351;1430172095;mircea_popescu;!h
1113352;1430172095;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1113353;1430172159;jurov;imo in certain countries more fun can be had with poppy seed :D
1113354;1430172164;mircea_popescu;lol
1113355;1430172170;trinque;or weed seeds
1113356;1430172181;mircea_popescu;or kudzu. or bamboo.
1113357;1430172211;mircea_popescu;or, if you work at an undertaker, cut off toes from the dead people and plant them in live people's yards.
1113358;1430172241;jurov;once we had to explain to a spaniard intern what a poppy seed is, it's popular as cake filling around
1113359;1430172270;jurov;"yes, opium is made from that"
1113360;1430172320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00029528 = 7.1753 BTC [-]
1113361;1430172432;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news, http://fullholes-emptyhead.tumblr.com/post/93776791908/myfavoriteutterdepravity-hereforyoutouse-so
1113362;1430172432;assbot;Full Holes, Empty Head — myfavoriteutterdepravity: hereforyoutouse: So... ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLCYmD )
1113363;1430172596;mircea_popescu;!rate copumpkin 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
1113364;1430172597;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1a395f35950b41bc
1113365;1430172623;BingoBoingo;So Baltimore's Ferguson moment seems more organized than Missouri's https://twitter.com/AFP/status/592792834824077312
1113366;1430172624;assbot;/hashtag/UPDATE?src=hash Baltimore riot: seven officers hurt, one 'unresponsive' http://t.co/SXP9nETQ2X
1113367;1430172703;mircea_popescu;!rate nanotube  3 Old hand. Runs gribble, escrowed the Vandroyi-pirate bet.
1113368;1430172703;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
1113369;1430172710;mircea_popescu;!rate nanotube 3 Old hand. Runs gribble, escrowed the Vandroyi-pirate bet.
1113370;1430172710;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4819545284076f69
1113371;1430172794;mircea_popescu;!rate trancegeek 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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1113373;1430172829;mircea_popescu;!rate imsaguy 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
1113374;1430172829;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5b5648c14e639389
1113375;1430172867;mircea_popescu;!rate smickles 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
1113376;1430172867;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c00f7ce1bc08c8d9
1113377;1430172991;mircea_popescu;mike_c hm, the timestamp gets sorted weirdly (alphabetical, so aug 2014 is after april 2013 etc)
1113378;1430173018;mircea_popescu;!rate reeses 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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1113380;1430173074;mircea_popescu;!rate cory 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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1113382;1430173111;mircea_popescu;!rate  lyspooner 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
1113383;1430173111;assbot; is not registered in WoT.
1113384;1430173115;mircea_popescu;!rate lyspooner 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
1113385;1430173115;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/973306263a225380
1113386;1430173135;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.lyspooner.1:568fdceca14520ded232a1f434a8a346a26e0cd052a0225d79216bd763b1618a
1113387;1430173135;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for lyspooner from 3 to 1 with note: Old hand. Long time, no see.
1113388;1430173149;mircea_popescu;!rate onefixt 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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1113390;1430173188;mircea_popescu;!rate bugpowder 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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1113392;1430173228;mircea_popescu;!rate namworld 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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1113394;1430173314;mircea_popescu;god damned my list is loing.
1113395;1430173325;mircea_popescu;!rate ocminer 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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1113401;1430173414;mircea_popescu;!rate random_cat 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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1113403;1430173822;mircea_popescu;!unrate khersonus
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1113405;1430173836;Cory;mircea_popescu: Do you still use nanotube's too?
1113406;1430173842;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1113407;1430173870;mircea_popescu;on occasion, if people who don;t know about assbot insist .
1113408;1430173902;mircea_popescu;how've you been ?
1113409;1430174028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00030019 = 2.8368 BTC [+]
1113410;1430174070;mircea_popescu;!unrate pars3val
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1113412;1430174108;mircea_popescu;!unrate parseval
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1113414;1430174220;mircea_popescu;!unrate xmj
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1113418;1430174422;BigBitz;why all the unrating, mircea_popescu?
1113419;1430174442;mircea_popescu;well, gotta keep the wot tidy
1113420;1430174499;mircea_popescu;it's a living thing!
1113421;1430174599;mircea_popescu;!up BitcoinGuy
1113422;1430174603;mircea_popescu;Police meanwhile announced they had received a "credible threat" that several known criminal gangs in Baltimore had "entered into a partnership to 'take out' law enforcement officers." << check it out
1113423;1430174609;mircea_popescu;inception or w/e it's called.
1113424;1430174713;trinque;I was wondering how long that'd take.
1113425;1430174780;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo whoa check it out, the meriwether fight purse is 400mn ?!
1113426;1430174821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37679 @ 0.00029528 = 11.1259 BTC [-]
1113427;1430174821;mircea_popescu;Dan Fredinburg apparently died in nepal.
1113428;1430174999;trinque;https://livestream.com/spacex/events/3995038 << launch feed
1113429;1430175000;assbot;SpaceX Thales Mission on Livestream ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBKguF )
1113430;1430175014;trinque;or rather, watch-spacex-scrub-launches feed
1113431;1430175506;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously the purse is bigger than CoinBase's bezzelbucks
1113432;1430175512;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1113433;1430175535;*;asciilifeform playing with 'cpanel' for the first time, struggles to understand wtf is the point of it
1113434;1430175554;williamdunne;asciilifeform: Makes things easier for those terrified of a terminal
1113435;1430175576;trinque;scared of driving? here have a blindfold
1113436;1430175603;*;asciilifeform wonders if it can be uninstalled
1113437;1430175625;mircea_popescu;dude stop fixing things that work. you wanna do something, make gentoo work as smoothly as cpanel.
1113438;1430175652;asciilifeform;aside from the guilicious dripping braindamage candy of it, i just logged into a www-based (https with self-signed cert) thing that has full control over $box
1113439;1430175666;asciilifeform;any idiot could have owned it then.
1113440;1430175683;asciilifeform;(idiot sitting between me and the antipode of planet where thing lives)
1113441;1430175715;mircea_popescu;myeah. that's nothing : at some point servers were owned through an actual cpanel update.
1113442;1430175724;asciilifeform;l0l
1113443;1430175745;mircea_popescu;but hey. until you make a working gentoo...
1113444;1430175751;asciilifeform;goddammnit my gentoo works
1113445;1430175768;mircea_popescu;that's the problem. yours does.
1113446;1430175881;asciilifeform;'until you make a working boeing' 'my boeing flies' 'the problem - yours does'
1113447;1430175939;mircea_popescu;ayup.
1113448;1430175955;mircea_popescu;every 15yo can run a cpanel site.
1113449;1430175958;asciilifeform;an 'automated' gentoo is of the same kind of misguided animal as graphical pgp
1113450;1430175994;williamdunne;15 year old using terminal master-race
1113451;1430175995;jurov;iirc i broke cpanel as quickly as you did gentoo
1113452;1430176040;mircea_popescu;i'd settle for a well documented and judiciously defaulted gentoo.
1113453;1430176043;trinque;asciilifeform: naw, if I was setting up 200 of these things, I'd want a process other than manual lever pulling
1113454;1430176053;trinque;you can do an image, but say the build's different between them
1113455;1430176054;mircea_popescu;trinque his box works!
1113456;1430176059;trinque;my mistake
1113457;1430176064;trinque;needs a genbootstrap
1113458;1430176069;asciilifeform;trinque: 200 of them - bitwise image, identical disks
1113459;1430176076;asciilifeform;change variables later.
1113460;1430176093;mircea_popescu;stop being male.
1113461;1430176096;asciilifeform;they sell cradles where you can mount N disks at once and image. since '90 or so
1113462;1430176109;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my dulap broke
1113463;1430176118;mircea_popescu;prolly cuz it had no cpanel.
1113464;1430176146;jurov;;;ud dulap
1113465;1430176146;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dulap | pronounced: "doo-lap" -noun 1. the soft area of skin between the chin and neck. " Man, I got her dulap so good today at lunch!" by JourneeLee March 14, 2007.
1113466;1430176156;jurov;wat
1113467;1430176203;mircea_popescu;jurov its a reference ot this romanian castration story.
1113468;1430176354;mircea_popescu;so it kinda looks like assad may actually be going away.
1113469;1430176589;jurov;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/romania-president-admits-allowing-cia-site-150427140351035.html
1113470;1430176591;assbot;Former Romania president admits allowing CIA site - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1JM9eEV )
1113471;1430176597;jurov;Iliescu wrote on this blog on Monday that "I would surely have taken another decision'' if he had known what the CIA was doing.
1113472;1430176621;asciilifeform;famous u.s. gulag there since when, '04 ?
1113473;1430176673;mircea_popescu;iirc closed down in 07ish
1113474;1430176707;mircea_popescu;and im pretty sure he wouldn't have taken another decision. it was openly discussed at the time that the americans are scum, but the country wnated the eu membership.
1113475;1430176744;asciilifeform;can't join eu without joining nato ?
1113476;1430176755;mircea_popescu;it was already in nato (since 2004ish lol)
1113477;1430176819;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The zoo in Baltimore affecting your weather at all?
1113478;1430176831;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not visibly to naked eye
1113479;1430176846;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in fact, was in bmore just last night, saw nothing extraordinary
1113480;1430176896;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, funeral was today. Apparently there are day riots nao.
1113481;1430177136;*;mircea_popescu is running top waiting for the big moment :D
1113482;1430177148;mircea_popescu;how goes the cpanelling asciilifeform  ? :D
1113483;1430177240;mats;NO JUSSIS NO PEACE
1113484;1430177374;mats;http://i.imgur.com/NUZ3cSi.jpg
1113485;1430177375;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dmktu2 )
1113486;1430177527;mats;http://wbaltv.com/news/downtown-businesses-organizations-close-early-monday/32595778
1113487;1430177528;assbot;Gov. declares state of emergency; activates National Guard | Maryland News  - WBAL Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1dmkYUI )
1113488;1430177678;mats;destroyed a CVS, a car, a 7-Eleven... hardly calls for the national guard
1113489;1430177778;BingoBoingo;mats: Rumours of police casualties
1113490;1430177888;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/592823312889323523
1113491;1430177890;assbot;Someone in Baltimore just cut fire hose with a knife so firefighters can’t put out CVS fire http://t.co/XD9fFehyLK
1113492;1430177898;mats;lol
1113493;1430177921;williamdunne;I wonder if it comically flailed about
1113494;1430178129;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: There's a picture, It's like pissing the first couple hours of taking a blowgun dart to the dick
1113495;1430178168;mats;news station on fire
1113496;1430178280;BingoBoingo;Cool, Go Orioles!!!
1113497;1430178416;Pierre_Rochard;baltimore police is going to get lynched http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Lynch
1113498;1430178417;assbot;Loretta Lynch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dmnHNZ )
1113499;1430178467;Pierre_Rochard;“investigated Citigroup over mortgage securities sold by the bank, resulting in a US$7 billion settlement; and was involved in the US$1.2 billion settlement with HSBC”
1113500;1430178471;mats;"it's hard to figure out who are the instigators because they're all black"
1113501;1430178483;Pierre_Rochard;lol
1113502;1430178781;mircea_popescu;lmao
1113503;1430178884;mircea_popescu;wait she just took over ? what happened to holder.
1113504;1430178909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00029975 = 6.2048 BTC [+]
1113505;1430178964;mircea_popescu;56-43 aha
1113506;1430178970;Pierre_Rochard;holder was on his way to getting impeached so he resigned, “for personal reasons” of course
1113507;1430179030;mircea_popescu;myeah
1113508;1430179539;BingoBoingo;!up kuzetsa
1113509;1430179578;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski saw add for fast and furious 7 here, wondered idly who the fuck could possibly need or want that.
1113510;1430179579;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1113511;1430179613;BingoBoingo;So... This makes the BitPay sportsball blunder seem milder, only about 20-25% of mayweather-pacman purse squandered http://deadspin.com/the-angels-will-pay-76-million-to-make-josh-hamilton-g-1700476722
1113512;1430179613;assbot;The Angels Could Pay $76 Million To Make Josh Hamilton Go Away [Update] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqKK16 )
1113513;1430179654;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can i has short summary as to who the proper nouns are ?
1113514;1430179805;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Josh Hamilton: great but not-elite baseball player relapsed into his booze and blow habit. Started sucking at baseball right after Los Angles's other baseball team signed him for 125 million dollars over 5 years. They are trading him to Texas and eating 90% of the remaining payroll.
1113515;1430179890;BingoBoingo;Texas gets him for 7 million dollars over 3 years, The other Los Angeles team pays the remaining 76 million dollars so he can play for this other team.
1113516;1430179903;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1113517;1430179911;BingoBoingo;(other los angeles team meaning, not the Dodgers)
1113518;1430179922;mircea_popescu;this guy sounds like adrian mutu (ro footballer).
1113519;1430179933;mircea_popescu;chelsea playing the role of la.
1113520;1430179964;BingoBoingo;Quite a bit older than Mutu. Hamilton also played for the Texas team before, in his past life when he was good.
1113521;1430180033;mircea_popescu;aha
1113522;1430180035;BingoBoingo;But when he went to LA coach made him quit chewing tobacco in the dugout and... It's hard to smash a baseball at an elite level while in the throes of nicotine withdrawal
1113523;1430180075;mircea_popescu;aha
1113524;1430180085;mircea_popescu;i suppose nobody is laying the 120mn loss at the feet of the idiotic coach ?
1113525;1430180095;mircea_popescu;"he followed industry standards" so immunity.
1113526;1430180135;BingoBoingo;Well the whole ownership group of that team is fucked. They have about a Billion dollars tied up in contracts of people they signed just as their careers had peaked.
1113527;1430180149;mircea_popescu;heh
1113528;1430180177;BingoBoingo;Seriously they sign Albert Pujols to a quarter Billion dollar contract and the next year... Their best player is a cost controlled rookie.
1113529;1430180183;BingoBoingo;;;google Mike Trout
1113530;1430180184;gribble;Mike Trout Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com: <http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/troutmi01.shtml>; Mike Trout Stats, News, Pictures, Bio, Videos - Los Angeles Angels ...: <http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30836/mike-trout>; Mike Trout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Trout>
1113531;1430180226;BingoBoingo;Four years later, Rookie isn't quite as cost controlled and still their best player
1113532;1430180462;BingoBoingo;Josh Hamilton though is basically the Carl Mark Force IV of Los Angeles Sports. Devil couldn't pay enough to secure his love and clean living.
1113533;1430180563;BingoBoingo;The Trout kid they got the cheap MVP years out of is still ok. They haven't broken him. Seems like he has staying power when the wikipedos say: "On April 17, 2015, Trout became the youngest player in MLB history to reach 100 home runs and 100 stolen bases.[100] He was 23 years and 253 days old when he reached the milestone, passing the previous record-holder, Alex Rodriguez, who had achieved it at the age of 23 years and 309 days
1113534;1430180563;BingoBoingo;in 1999."
1113535;1430180868;BingoBoingo;A morality tale could probably be woven out of all of this, but at the very least it illustrates the bezzel bucks sillicon valley pisses around aren't that big of a deal.
1113536;1430181229;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/news/picture/baltimore-protests?articleId=USRTX1AJEF << good shots here
1113537;1430181231;assbot;Baltimore protests | Reuters.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqN5cz )
1113538;1430181285;trinque;bunch of delinquent kids throwing rocks, looks like
1113539;1430181468;Pierre_Rochard;this is because steam started charging for mods right?
1113540;1430181499;BingoBoingo;Who knows? Maybe Baltimore manages to get the win over the po-po before FBI agents like Sharpton walk them back to the fields.
1113541;1430181523;BingoBoingo;Pierre_Rochard: It is because Barack Obama doesn't care about black lives.
1113542;1430181569;Pierre_Rochard;ah, well, judging from the press conference, baltimore’s black leadership does not care about black lives either
1113543;1430181603;BingoBoingo;Pierre_Rochard: "Black Leadership" is coded language for "FBI Provacateurs and Informants"
1113544;1430181631;trinque;this could just be the most visible effect of an ever shittier economy
1113545;1430181634;Pierre_Rochard;http://mayor.baltimorecity.gov/
1113546;1430181635;assbot;Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, Mayor ... ( http://bit.ly/1EL736M )
1113547;1430181637;Pierre_Rochard;look at that haircut
1113548;1430181640;Pierre_Rochard;so progressive
1113549;1430181641;trinque;blacks tend to be on the poorest end
1113550;1430181642;Pierre_Rochard;so empowered
1113551;1430181707;mircea_popescu;<Pierre_Rochard> this is because steam started charging for mods right? << lol mioght even be
1113552;1430181757;Pierre_Rochard;#gamersmatter #nofreemodsnopeace
1113553;1430181763;trinque;lol
1113554;1430181776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00029461 = 22.3314 BTC [-] {4} 
1113555;1430181785;mircea_popescu;dude what's wrong with the woman's hairdo
1113556;1430181851;BingoBoingo;;;google conking
1113557;1430181852;gribble;Conk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conk>; Urban Dictionary: conk: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=conk>; conking - definition of conking by The Free Dictionary: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conking>
1113558;1430181859;Pierre_Rochard;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/07/81/bc0781ee4ac22e7e0d095356ad66592a.jpg
1113559;1430181860;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EL7U7D )
1113560;1430181873;Pierre_Rochard;she’s going for the claire underwood female politician schtick
1113561;1430181895;mircea_popescu;ahcmon
1113562;1430181913;Pierre_Rochard;nothing wrong with it - probably the right approach, gotta dress the part etc
1113563;1430182017;mircea_popescu;you're seeing too much in this
1113564;1430182090;Pierre_Rochard;maybe
1113565;1430182110;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, her makeup is atrocious and wtf is with the teeth already
1113566;1430182117;Pierre_Rochard;another thing I noted - press conference had only black people speaking. Cops on the ground are mostly white
1113567;1430182142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00029974 = 11.3452 BTC [+] {2} 
1113568;1430182200;*;Pierre_Rochard puts color-blind glasses back on, reaffirms allegiance to the land of opportunity
1113569;1430182200;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1113570;1430182431;mircea_popescu;you know why that is, too. cause fucktarded "press" derps woudl; talk of nothing else.
1113571;1430182470;mircea_popescu;there's a very substantial "hay fire" effect. look at the fetlife derps : they got REALLYVERYANGRY!!11 for five minutes. once they couldn't do anything in that interval... well ok, it's no longer a thing now.
1113572;1430182494;mircea_popescu;kinda how america works now : anything that can't be altered in a day is part of the permanent landscape by that fact. and so...
1113573;1430182511;mircea_popescu;they'd have thrown a shitfit at the white speakers. that's it.
1113574;1430183592;mike_c; <+mircea_popescu> mike_c hm, the timestamp gets sorted weirdly (alphabetical, so aug 2014 is after april 2013 etc) << looks right to me.  link?
1113575;1430184090;Pierre_Rochard;^^ agreed
1113576;1430184115;mike_c;maybe he forgot that aug 2014 actually did come after april 2013
1113577;1430184436;ben_vulpes;buenos tardes
1113578;1430184521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33917 @ 0.00030067 = 10.1978 BTC [+] {2} 
1113579;1430184582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44083 @ 0.00030725 = 13.5445 BTC [+] {3} 
1113580;1430185125;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "first the planes, then and only then the women?" << what's the actual quote i'm looking for here
1113581;1430185760;BingoBoingo;"Academic users can use and modify MIPSfpga as they wish, but cannot build it into silicon" >> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/04/27/2010220/imagination-to-release-open-mips-design-to-academia
1113582;1430185761;assbot;Imagination To Release Open MIPS Design To Academia - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwpm0A )
1113583;1430187724;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: basic mips is perhaps 100 lines of verilog
1113584;1430187742;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can be written by any student who didn't sleep through -all- of 'system architecture'
1113585;1430187757;ben_vulpes;you know, that kindergarten class
1113586;1430187758;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Hence the astounding over all of the licensing derpations
1113587;1430188015;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: "first the planes, then and only then the women?" << what's the actual quote i'm looking for here >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACYB1XNs04w << here you go
1113588;1430188016;assbot;Первым делом самолёты Небесный тихоход Перелетные Russia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey3LC1 )
1113589;1430188207;*;ben_vulpes is sorely undereducated for the references in question
1113590;1430188276;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://tekst-pesni-tut.ru/song/show/1502138/hor-tureckogo/tekst-pesni-i-perevod-my-druzya-pereletnye-pticy << translation
1113591;1430188276;assbot;Текст песни Хор Турецкого - Мы, друзья, перелетные птицы перевод, слова, lyrics ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgFBKU )
1113592;1430188289;asciilifeform;or no, not decent
1113593;1430188294;asciilifeform;but there isn't another atm
1113594;1430188306;ben_vulpes;resembles strongly the gtrans
1113595;1430188313;asciilifeform;and hm, has extraneous crud in it
1113596;1430188314;asciilifeform;nm
1113597;1430188387;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uoz-V5HkbU << more canonical variant
1113598;1430188389;assbot;Потому что мы Пилоты - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgFYVM )
1113599;1430188898;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm crapping out a rhymetranslation just for you, compadre
1113600;1430189157;ben_vulpes;nowai!
1113601;1430189178;ben_vulpes;i was going to go home and attempt a translation of my own...
1113602;1430189210;ben_vulpes;(doods i put 6 new stickie notes in the "pipeline" column of my Wall o' Sales today)
1113603;1430189216;asciilifeform;aaaalmost done
1113604;1430189589;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: http://dpaste.com/3Y5NGJQ.txt
1113605;1430189590;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgJijE )
1113606;1430189662;asciilifeform;about 90% same meaning as orig.
1113607;1430189683;*;asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu will take a stab at this puzzler
1113608;1430189695;asciilifeform;like he did for 'the bugler'
1113609;1430189753;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piloty.txt << permacopy
1113610;1430189755;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgJJdO )
1113611;1430189880;asciilifeform;davout might also appreciate ^
1113612;1430189908;asciilifeform;and mthreat, and any others who might agree with 'first things first, come the airplanes'
1113613;1430189926;*;ben_vulpes is not sure about this position
1113614;1430190657;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: re blockchain telegraphy: why bother even with the persistence layer? why not just transmit messages around in transactions that will never get included in blocks?
1113615;1430190859;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: re blockchain telegraphy: why bother even with the persistence layer? why not just transmit messages around in transactions that will never get included in blocks? << No way to ensure they get relayed
1113616;1430190875;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: because delays
1113617;1430190893;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo has it
1113618;1430190911;asciilifeform;the block inclusion is the closest thing you get to synchronous comms
1113619;1430190928;asciilifeform;mempool is a fart in the wind
1113620;1430190931;ben_vulpes;what's so important about synchrony?
1113621;1430190948;asciilifeform;having the slightest reason to think that the message made it to other end ?
1113622;1430191026;asciilifeform;and other thing is, clients have tremendous incentive to drop mempool tx that is an obvious non-candidate for block
1113623;1430191053;asciilifeform;the fact of currently-existing clients doing this half-heartedly, changes little
1113624;1430191071;ben_vulpes;what is the incentive for a client to maintain anything in the mempool?
1113625;1430191089;asciilifeform;what is the incentive to run a node at all ?
1113626;1430191150;ben_vulpes;seriously, because i'm retarded: what is the incentive to keep a tx in the mempool that will be included in a block but not one that won't?
1113627;1430191162;asciilifeform;one that won't - is garbage
1113628;1430191171;asciilifeform;that is to say, something not properly 'of bitcoin'
1113629;1430191178;asciilifeform;and sooner thrown out, the more room for legit tx.
1113630;1430191197;asciilifeform;this is not a 'moral judgement' but clean observation re: what makes for an effective node
1113631;1430191204;asciilifeform;just as rejecting obvious ddos is part of same
1113632;1430191205;ben_vulpes;hm
1113633;1430191236;asciilifeform;my sketch for 'telegraph' was based on the axiom that only that which is irrevocably part of bitcoin proper, is worth building on
1113634;1430191267;asciilifeform;whereas items that are 'poorly bolted down', and could tear loose, esp. in the face of tremendous pressure by enemy to disable telegraph - are not a foundation for anything
1113635;1430191274;asciilifeform;and the sooner they die, in fact, the better.
1113636;1430191307;asciilifeform;let the winds blow.
1113637;1430191339;ben_vulpes;;;later tell menahem sorry, bouncer failure. lost everything you sent me.
1113638;1430191339;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1113639;1430191350;asciilifeform;in this sense, you in fact have -not- used bitcoin to transmit a message unless you wrote it into the blockchain -as transaction-
1113640;1430191360;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: myeah, but chat (this one aside) is ephemeral
1113641;1430191362;asciilifeform;(and not as the idiot header string or the other similar variants)
1113642;1430191370;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: want ephemeral - use irc etc
1113643;1430191388;asciilifeform;or use a session key
1113644;1430191427;asciilifeform;there are actually a few applications which call for the blockchain telegraph
1113645;1430191435;asciilifeform;and where literally nothing else will reasonably suffice.
1113646;1430191437;asciilifeform;i use it there.
1113647;1430191445;asciilifeform;if you don't know what they are - you do not have this problem.
1113648;1430191453;asciilifeform;and you don't want to. sleep easier at night.
1113649;1430191474;ben_vulpes;heh
1113650;1430191474;BingoBoingo;Telegrams are not chat. I mean when "STOP" is cheaper than "."
1113651;1430191748;BaudotCreature;5 bit bytes, steady fingers requires, 30 WPM
1113652;1430191839;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112795 << wait, who hates him?
1113653;1430191839;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 14:17:33; mircea_popescu: !rate justusranvier -1 I dunno, afaik he's just kinda derpy (see http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.
1113654;1430191841;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: let's phrase another way: if you're riding on something that can be monkeyed with en route without subverting bitcoin wholesale, you are not riding on bitcoin.
1113655;1430191906;ben_vulpes;oh, surely
1113656;1430191919;ben_vulpes;i'm not proposing mempool as persistence layer - even i'm not that braindead
1113657;1430192059;BingoBoingo;Eh, braindead is better than parts being too alive in the wrong places
1113658;1430192176;BingoBoingo;I'll throw this out again... Too many White Blood cells is possibru https://i.imgur.com/KsoGPjO.jpg
1113659;1430192176;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dn0bAC )
1113660;1430192365;BingoBoingo;Which layers are grossly out of proportion in that centrifuged tube...
1113661;1430196965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40850 @ 0.00029738 = 12.148 BTC [-]
1113662;1430197777;scoopbot_revived;News! We fly because we're loved. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/28/we-fly-because-were-loved/
1113663;1430197778;assbot;We fly because we’re loved. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQ0mCb )
1113664;1430197880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00029731 = 13.9141 BTC [-] {2} 
1113665;1430198289;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mircea_popescu who da fuck sees furious 7 indeed.
1113666;1430198289;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1113667;1430198314;pete_dushenski; when i called my friends up on saturday night, i could barely believe my ears, but went and had a good laugh anyways.
1113668;1430198341;pete_dushenski;at the very least, i knew it would provide useful fodder for teh contravex cannon ;)
1113669;1430198372;pete_dushenski;the final chase scene, in imax at least, was a complete blur though.
1113670;1430198402;pete_dushenski;my eyes are used to plaintext! not that whizbang kids shit.
1113671;1430198434;pete_dushenski;;;later tell kakobrekla still nothing on log1 eh.
1113672;1430198435;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1113673;1430204773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.00030409 = 23.1717 BTC [+]
1113674;1430205305;pete_dushenski;"Over the weekend, a BitGo user reported on Reddit that he had lost 85 BTC while using the BitGo Legacy Wallet Recovery Tool. The user reported that, while the tool reported it would send his entire balance of about 102 BTC to the target address, in fact it only sent 16 BTC to the target address, resulting in a whopping mining fee of 86 BTC being paid."
1113675;1430205320;pete_dushenski;"The root cause of the problem occurred during the output value serialization step when the redeem transaction was constructed. During the process of converting the number into bytes for use in the transaction, bitwise operators were used in this old version of the code, which converted the output value (in satoshis) to a 32 bit integer, causing an integer overflow and truncating the output of 10227087437 satosh
1113676;1430205320;pete_dushenski;is (102.27 btc) to 1637152845 satoshis (16.37 btc)."
1113677;1430205332;pete_dushenski;http://bitgoinc.com/recovery-tool-lost-funds-incident-post-mortem/ << derp.
1113678;1430205333;assbot;BitGo, Inc. | Recovery Tool Lost Funds Incident: Post-Mortem - BitGo, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dw2WnU )
1113679;1430205428;pete_dushenski;and here i was, ignorant as the day i was born, thinking that bitgo's stupidity could be summarised with 'multisig' as per http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/09/bitgo-multisig-a-stranger-his-friend-and-you/
1113680;1430205432;assbot;BitGo Multisig: A Stranger, His Friend, and You | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dw35YL )
1113681;1430205467;pete_dushenski;turns out that the waters runneth deep over there.
1113682;1430206549;scoopbot_revived;News! More Trouble For Bryan Micon URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/more-trouble-for-bryan-micon/
1113683;1430206550;assbot;More Trouble For Bryan Micon | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zis9Yh )
1113684;1430206569;cazalla;watching these hilarious riot vids on 8chan but all the nigs throwing rubbish bins and at best, bricks at the police.. you'd think they were at the point where it'd be open season on the boys in blue
1113685;1430206875;cazalla;seeing nignogs are only too happy to fire on other nignogs, imma say their heart really isn't in this riot and it'll peter out.. it's *not* happening, sorry /pol/ lol
1113686;1430206919;cazalla;pete_dushenski, it's all about multisignature technology https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0K2xW4O89U
1113687;1430206920;assbot;Multisignature Technology - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zitbTY )
1113688;1430207332;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1113348 <<< pumpkin seeds are not that bad, few pop up now and again in the compost, some in the garden but i find tomato seeds the most problematic, those fuckers pop up by the dozen and i'm always pulling em out
1113689;1430207332;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 21:51:03; BingoBoingo: <cazalla> doesn't like that".. same woman who thought pumpkins grew under the ground lol << pumpkin seeds are the best vandalism
1113690;1430207518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.00030418 = 21.901 BTC [+] {2} 
1113691;1430207846;pete_dushenski;cazalla: ya the riot seems a bit, well, soft. at least in the reuters photos.
1113692;1430207872;pete_dushenski;mostly doods stocking up on raided bogroll
1113693;1430208616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94187 @ 0.00029547 = 27.8294 BTC [-] {5} 
1113694;1430209165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61200 @ 0.00029014 = 17.7566 BTC [-] {2} 
1113695;1430210812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19803 @ 0.00029008 = 5.7445 BTC [-]
1113696;1430213801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00029008 = 5.7146 BTC [-]
1113697;1430214117;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113611 <<< <3 it
1113698;1430214117;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 02:58:00; asciilifeform: davout might also appreciate ^
1113699;1430214167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13975 @ 0.00029034 = 4.0575 BTC [+]
1113700;1430214640;scoopbot_revived;News! Warrick County Prosecutor's Office Cover Up Ransomware Infection URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/warrick-county-prosecutors-office-cover-up-ransomware-infection/
1113701;1430214641;assbot;Warrick County Prosecutor's Office Cover Up Ransomware Infection | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DwnPPU )
1113702;1430215021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00029034 = 5.8068 BTC [+]
1113703;1430215157;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1113117 <<< not what i get in the auto.sh bundled with the release tarball
1113704;1430215157;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 17:17:42; ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000085.html << didn't we cut a version of auto.sh that used foundation-hosted tarballs of all of the above?
1113705;1430217480;davout;assets is asleep, let's post some french guitar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DNGOj739Ho
1113706;1430217482;assbot;Angelo Debarre et Ludovic Beie Douce Ambiance Entre Amis 2004 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DGpqEe )
1113707;1430217705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00029034 = 1.5678 BTC [+]
1113708;1430218254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00029008 = 8.2383 BTC [-]
1113709;1430218803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19160 @ 0.00029034 = 5.5629 BTC [+]
1113710;1430219352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30993 @ 0.00029034 = 8.9985 BTC [+]
1113711;1430219535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17122 @ 0.00028872 = 4.9435 BTC [-] {2} 
1113712;1430219840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00029894 = 5.7247 BTC [+] {3} 
1113713;1430219853;mircea_popescu;davout http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/#comment-113945
1113714;1430219853;assbot;A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QE9gEk )
1113715;1430220250;mircea_popescu;mike_c take davout for instance http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/davout/ now if I click on timestamp, i see "Feb. 16, 2015He combats malpidity on the forums." as the penultimate entry, between Jan. 27 and Feb 3, 2011
1113716;1430220252;assbot;davout WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEaYp8 )
1113717;1430220299;mircea_popescu;don't tell me my local js is broken o.O
1113718;1430222097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37820 @ 0.00028807 = 10.8948 BTC [-] {2} 
1113719;1430222482;kakobrekla;;;later tell pete_dushenski thats mps thing
1113720;1430222483;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1113721;1430222510;mircea_popescu;from the svg : "stroke-linecap:butt"
1113722;1430222515;mircea_popescu;seems appropriate.
1113723;1430222566;kakobrekla;you wanna get log1 fixed ?
1113724;1430222622;mircea_popescu;am i right, l2 went from 544 to 345 ?
1113725;1430222628;mircea_popescu;sure kako.
1113726;1430222636;mircea_popescu;what do i need to do ?
1113727;1430222642;kakobrekla;nfi
1113728;1430222647;mircea_popescu;can you log into acct ?
1113729;1430222660;kakobrekla;you told me to change the ip and then it went from working to not working
1113730;1430222672;mircea_popescu;well cause server moved
1113731;1430222673;kakobrekla;lemme try
1113732;1430222678;mircea_popescu;so new ip
1113733;1430222713;kakobrekla;i am logged in
1113734;1430222747;*;kakobrekla has no idea how the fck do i diagnose whats wrong in this 'cpanel'
1113735;1430222754;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c btw, the svg cuts ever so slightly of the names on the left, like "anielkraw" and "iatouriansky_"
1113736;1430222754;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1113737;1430222763;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i think you can also ssh ?
1113738;1430222791;kakobrekla;maybe you can spot the error if you log in ?
1113739;1430222801;mircea_popescu;ok lets see
1113740;1430222899;kakobrekla;aha i found thing called 'error log'
1113741;1430223351;scoopbot_revived;News! Chtulhu emerges! URL: http://trilema.com/2015/chtulhu-emerges/
1113742;1430223352;assbot;Chtulhu emerges! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DSAvRM )
1113743;1430225512;BingoBoingo;http://abc7.com/news/video-angry-baltimore-mom-beats-son-suspected-of-rioting/684791/
1113744;1430225514;assbot;VIDEO: Angry mom beats son suspected of rioting in Baltimore | abc7.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzsA0s )
1113745;1430225812;BingoBoingo;15 Officer injuries vs. 2 dozen arrests
1113746;1430226579;mircea_popescu;http://maybemaimed.com/2015/04/28/the-fetlife-creeplist-volume-1/ << ahaha
1113747;1430226582;assbot;The FetLife Creeplist, Volume 1 «  Maybe Maimed but Never Harmed ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzviTv )
1113748;1430226588;mircea_popescu;"Here is a list of the first 3,730 of FetLifes financial supporters who are male- and dominant-identified. "
1113749;1430226603;mircea_popescu;strike down that patriarchy!
1113750;1430226772;BingoBoingo;lol
1113751;1430226865;mircea_popescu;pretty cool if you ask me :D
1113752;1430226986;BingoBoingo;Seriously, let all the agendas make fetlife lists
1113753;1430227042;mircea_popescu;what's really funny to me is that there's a "social media site", with 3-4mn claimed "users". out of these 3-4mn, if 1% are actually there you're lucky, and out of those 1% if anothyer 1% is even vaguely worth the mention you're ahead of the curve.
1113754;1430227061;mircea_popescu;BUT! out of all those millions... you should be surprised if like... two people get it, a month or two later.
1113755;1430227086;mircea_popescu;that's where we're at, currently. crowd source means, you gotta get 4 mn "users" together to get two guys that get it two months later.
1113756;1430227126;mircea_popescu;it's not even that it'd be easier to do the getting yourself, by hand. or that it'd be easier to make an eliza get it. you could actually run a school and get better results.
1113757;1430227188;mircea_popescu;which is kind-of like how the us army works, too : you need 4 mn people employed by the pentagon to get two dudes shooting a rifle at the enemy two months later.
1113758;1430227283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00028791 = 8.0615 BTC [-]
1113759;1430227477;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113585 << zing. lol.
1113760;1430227477;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 02:22:37; ben_vulpes: you know, that kindergarten class
1113761;1430227551;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113604 << i can't fucvking believe you actually put a translation you made in a pastebin.
1113762;1430227551;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 02:53:09; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: http://dpaste.com/3Y5NGJQ.txt
1113763;1430227555;mircea_popescu;dude. your blog. POST ON IT.
1113764;1430227564;mircea_popescu;why is this so counter-intuitive and hard and shit.
1113765;1430227604;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113609
1113766;1430227604;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 02:55:53; asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piloty.txt << permacopy
1113767;1430227639;mircea_popescu;better. now if only it had availed itself of those magical inventions of the 70s called... html and web!
1113768;1430227646;asciilifeform;l0l
1113769;1430227659;mircea_popescu;so you know, i can go "hmm... what else did this guy write" and stuff.
1113770;1430227670;asciilifeform;can chop the url and get the site per se, aha
1113771;1430227691;*;mircea_popescu falls over
1113772;1430227710;asciilifeform;it's a throwaway turd, l0l, not real article
1113773;1430227717;mircea_popescu;and speaking of which... the great moment ? of yesterday ? and day before yesterday ? did i miss it ?
1113774;1430227725;mircea_popescu;there.are.no.real.articles!111
1113775;1430227751;mircea_popescu;there isn't a real life that's gonna start just as soon as this one's tweaked into perfection, you xtian you.
1113776;1430227751;mircea_popescu;this. this is it.
1113777;1430227756;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didn't miss. occupied with meatspace crap atm.
1113778;1430227769;mircea_popescu;well... once you decide to commit to sysadmining that box, you can take cpanel off :D
1113779;1430227796;mircea_popescu;and you can even build a btc business on top of this!!1
1113780;1430227800;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc it is one of those beasts that infests a machine to such a degree that it cannot really be removed in the sense of restoring the thing to virginity
1113781;1430227824;asciilifeform;but for the humble application in mind here, can live with it
1113782;1430227825;mircea_popescu;if you commit to sysadmining it i don't care what you do, you can reos it for all i care.
1113783;1430227830;mircea_popescu;BUT! it's a commitment.
1113784;1430227853;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is that thing connected to ipkvm or other device that would allow it to be re-os'd without taking an airplane ?
1113785;1430227881;mircea_popescu;well it was os'd to my spec the first time...
1113786;1430227912;*;mircea_popescu 's trick to "fit in head" is chopping off the details.
1113787;1430227924;asciilifeform;again, for the current application, i have no objection to the way it is set up. it won't be issuing launch codes.
1113788;1430227938;mircea_popescu;aite.
1113789;1430227980;*;mircea_popescu inspects list. fetlife check, alf check, mike check, who am i going to bother and disturb next ?
1113790;1430227993;mircea_popescu;i guess time for meatspace for a spell.
1113791;1430228000;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-limits-of-propaganda.html << or him
1113792;1430228002;assbot;ClubOrlov: The Limits of Propaganda ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzzLWe )
1113793;1430228012;mircea_popescu;i only bother intelligent life forms.
1113794;1430228015;asciilifeform;l0l
1113795;1430228049;mircea_popescu;the time for winning staring contests with rocks is at five.
1113796;1430228061;asciilifeform;try the housecats in recoleta
1113797;1430228066;asciilifeform;very intelligent
1113798;1430228066;mircea_popescu;i am old now, and not so easily entertained.
1113799;1430228160;asciilifeform;unrelated, http://www.linear.com/product/LTC3108
1113800;1430228161;assbot;LTC3108 - Ultralow Voltage Step-Up Converter and Power Manager - Linear Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzAhnm )
1113801;1430228185;asciilifeform;they also sell a 'buck' (vs 'boost') version of same, for use with piezos
1113802;1430228195;asciilifeform;(which crap out 100+v)
1113803;1430228497;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113622 << he's right there. nobody has an actual obligation to relay any tx to you in any form than in a block.
1113804;1430228497;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 03:17:06; asciilifeform: and other thing is, clients have tremendous incentive to drop mempool tx that is an obvious non-candidate for block
1113805;1430228504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70826 @ 0.00029101 = 20.6111 BTC [+] {3} 
1113806;1430228506;mircea_popescu;that people currently do... people currently do all sortsa things
1113807;1430228583;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113626 << if you're a miner, that you'll include in another block. if you're not a miner, that you'll show it to other nodes, which other nodes will value you for this service, and keep talking to you, sending you txn in turn.
1113808;1430228583;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 03:19:10; ben_vulpes: seriously, because i'm retarded: what is the incentive to keep a tx in the mempool that will be included in a block but not one that won't?
1113809;1430228603;mircea_popescu;this latter part is not implemented yet. because power braindamage.
1113810;1430228646;mircea_popescu;should prolly be styled as Power bRAiNdamaGER.
1113811;1430228677;asciilifeform;right now there is only the retarded 'Dos(N, ...)' thing
1113812;1430228697;asciilifeform;for kicking a few enumerated badnesses
1113813;1430228699;mircea_popescu;myup
1113814;1430228708;mircea_popescu;but once foundation gets a "node valuing" patch in...
1113815;1430228741;asciilifeform;anyone who reads the code will probably lean to agreeing with my take on this, which is that this is one of the 1,001 things which is not happening as a simple patch
1113816;1430228750;asciilifeform;but will have to wait for the full shebang.
1113817;1430228753;mircea_popescu;i agree with that too.
1113818;1430228755;mircea_popescu;but eventually...
1113819;1430228915;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113668 << pete went ironically.
1113820;1430228915;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 05:19:01; pete_dushenski: at the very least, i knew it would provide useful fodder for teh contravex cannon ;)
1113821;1430229054;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113685 << kinda shows the limits of stereotyping. black people that shoot black people are in no way related to black people who riot @ the police.
1113822;1430229054;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 07:41:15; cazalla: seeing nignogs are only too happy to fire on other nignogs, imma say their heart really isn't in this riot and it'll peter out.. it's *not* happening, sorry /pol/ lol
1113823;1430229068;mircea_popescu;what's next, italian gangster and italian greengrocer = "italians" ?
1113824;1430229104;mircea_popescu;and for the record, the "we only whack each other" behaviour is documented last fucking century. by... sinatra!
1113825;1430229137;mircea_popescu;and even before that, by mark twain, who observed that gunslingers think nothing of killing random derps.
1113826;1430229386;mircea_popescu;here's the actual bit :
1113827;1430229387;mircea_popescu;I remember an instance of a desperado's contempt for such small game as a private citizen's life. I was taking a late supper in a restaurant one night, with two reporters and a little printer namedBrown, for instanceany name will do. Presently a stranger with a long-tailed coat on came in, and not noticing Brown's hat, which was lying in a chair, sat down on it. Little Brown sprang up and became abusive in a mome
1113828;1430229387;mircea_popescu;nt. The stranger smiled, smoothed out the hat, and offered it to Brown with profuse apologies couched in caustic sarcasm, and begged Brown not to destroy him. Brown threw off his coat and challenged the man to fightabused him, threatened him, impeached his courage, and urged and even implored him to fight; and in the meantime the smiling stranger placed himself under our protection in mock distress. But presently he
1113829;1430229389;mircea_popescu; assumed a serious tone, and said:
1113830;1430229391;mircea_popescu;"Very well, gentlemen, if we must fight, we must, I suppose. But don't rush into danger and then say I gave you no warning. I am more than a match for all of you when I get started. I will give you proofs, and then if my friend here still insists, I will try to accommodate him."
1113831;1430229395;mircea_popescu;The table we were sitting at was about five feet long, and unusually cumbersome and heavy. He asked us to put our hands on the dishes and hold them in their places a momentone of them was a large oval dish with a portly roast on it. Then he sat down, tilted up one end of the table, set two of the legs on his knees, took the end of the table between his teeth, took his hands away, and pulled down with his teeth till
1113832;1430229401;mircea_popescu;the table came up to a level position, dishes and all! He said he could lift a keg of nails with his teeth. He picked up a common glass tumbler and bit a semi-circle out of it. Then he opened his bosom and showed us a net-work of knife and bullet scars; showed us more on his arms and face, and said he believed he had bullets enough in his body to make a pig of lead. He was armed to the teeth. He closed with the remark
1113833;1430229406;mircea_popescu;that he was Mr.of Caribooa celebrated name whe
1113834;1430229408;mircea_popescu;so... no. it's not the race, it's the occupation.
1113835;1430229761;mircea_popescu;davout notbad guitar.
1113836;1430229844;mats;http://imgur.com/gallery/PxSLN
1113837;1430229844;assbot;                                        10,000 Strong Peacefully Protest In Downtown Baltimore - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzFlrK )
1113838;1430229937;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/OAvjEta.jpg << ba speaks ?!
1113839;1430229938;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzFJ9I )
1113840;1430229998;mircea_popescu;"I see a lot of people complaining about the horrible stuff looters and rioters are doing in Baltimore. This is what the media wants you to see, this is the negative side. This is being shown over and over to make you forget that a man had his SPINE SEVERED in police custody. So here are 10,000 people peacefully protesting today that no one seems to be talking about."
1113841;1430230001;mircea_popescu;solid point.
1113842;1430230164;BingoBoingo;Solid enough Baltimore PD is kinda getting raped with it.
1113843;1430230762;lobbes;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/27/us-japan-defense-deal-broadens-role-chinese-might
1113844;1430230764;assbot;US-Japan defense deal broadens Tokyo's role in face of growing Chinese might | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzJ098 )
1113845;1430230785;lobbes;'Tokyo’s readiness to embrace what Abe calls “proactive pacifism” comes amid growing anxiety in Japan and across Asia over China’s rising military and economic might.'
1113846;1430231777;Pierre_Rochard;re: baltimore, so far the only cogent analysis I’ve read is from the Oriole’s COO: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/27/john-angelos-orioles-protests_n_7153814.html
1113847;1430231779;assbot;Baltimore Orioles Executive Passionately Defends Freddie Gray Protesters ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzMJ6o )
1113848;1430232102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9387 @ 0.00030429 = 2.8564 BTC [+]
1113849;1430232470;lobbes;!rate Blazedout419 1 small, but smooth transaction
1113850;1430232470;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/312a7bcb7edff2ae
1113851;1430232539;danielpbarron;smooth like hand carved wood?
1113852;1430232571;BingoBoingo;Oh, apparently there is a better alternative to Changetip nao https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories/comments/2nzbg0/tales_from_a_bariatric_clinic_flipperham/cmisc3m
1113853;1430232573;assbot;brainunwashing comments on Tales from a Bariatric Clinic: FlipperHam ... ( http://bit.ly/1ba7LNh )
1113854;1430232602;Pierre_Rochard;^ micro transactions for macro gains
1113855;1430232739;lobbes;smooth like hand carved wood? << felt more laser-cut smooth
1113856;1430232793;davout;http://www.legorafi.fr/2015/04/21/la-communaute-hipster-cherche-un-nouveau-mot-pour-mainstream-juge-trop-mainstream/
1113857;1430232793;assbot;  La communauté hipster cherche un nouveau mot pour « mainstream », jugé trop mainstream | Le Gorafi.fr Gorafi News Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1ba8ihX )
1113858;1430232828;davout;today we laugh in french, because we're so sophisticated
1113859;1430232898;BingoBoingo;!up Altcoin
1113860;1430232986;Altcoin;suck my balls
1113861;1430233020;Pierre_Rochard;davout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r7dveDEv-I
1113862;1430233021;assbot;The Simpsons - En Francais - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzQFUG )
1113863;1430233052;davout;Pierre_Rochard: précisément
1113864;1430233749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00028935 = 7.0312 BTC [-] {2} 
1113865;1430235766;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1113866;1430235945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00030129 = 7.246 BTC [+]
1113867;1430236322;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113845 << can't wait for the jp re-arm
1113868;1430236322;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 14:19:45; lobbes: 'Tokyo’s readiness to embrace what Abe calls “proactive pacifism” comes amid growing anxiety in Japan and across Asia over China’s rising military and economic might.'
1113869;1430237960;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1113870;1430238032;pete_dushenski;japan 're-arming' calls to mind images of ninjarobot armies
1113871;1430238057;pete_dushenski;nuclear-powered ones at that.
1113872;1430238083;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: didja ever read A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer?
1113873;1430238095;pete_dushenski;can't say i did.
1113874;1430238115;pete_dushenski;scifi ?
1113875;1430238133;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: aka 'the diamond age'
1113876;1430238141;ben_vulpes;yeah. has some hoplites and an (mircea_popescu'd like this one) army of girls
1113877;1430238164;pete_dushenski;well ghaddafi'd like that too.
1113878;1430238183;ben_vulpes;i can't speak to ghaddafi's training skills tho
1113879;1430238224;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu is basically a better read, less geographically restricted, and paler Qadaffi
1113880;1430238279;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1113329 << hey what'd i miss here
1113881;1430238279;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 21:06:25; mike_c: chetty: cool pic!  kinda sad to see boxy go :)
1113882;1430238295;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1113328 << aren't you writing some sort of exchange, too?
1113883;1430238295;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 21:04:56; williamdunne: Suits me
1113884;1430238300;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: pretty much all of the scifi books i've read were by asimov, heinlein, clarke, and... adams.
1113885;1430238344;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Yes
1113886;1430238349;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1113344 << hyuu
1113887;1430238349;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 21:30:23; mircea_popescu: i also had cherisse with maraschino cherries, but thought of ben.
1113888;1430238369;ben_vulpes;cherisse is in the same food group as la cuña?
1113889;1430238375;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: hard to say how well read muammar was.
1113890;1430238426;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well only way to judge that is the writings and Ghaddafi doesn't have a trilema.
1113891;1430238459;pete_dushenski;mebbe he had diaries ?
1113892;1430238472;pete_dushenski;personal, hand-written, old fashioned sorta things.
1113893;1430238487;pete_dushenski;not many men of his vintage embraced the blog.
1113894;1430238490;ben_vulpes;ascii_
1113895;1430238501;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: the md fun anywhere near you?
1113896;1430238508;davout;williamdunne: what are you even writing it for?
1113897;1430238510;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: about 1hr away
1113898;1430238511;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: he was born in '69 to "The son of an impoverished Bedouin goat herder"
1113899;1430238529;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: chinese times
1113900;1430238540;williamdunne;davout: hoping some gurlz turn up
1113901;1430238548;ben_vulpes;> hoping
1113902;1430238551;ben_vulpes;> girls
1113903;1430238552;BingoBoingo; ascii_field Ah, You're about the same distance I was from Fergusson
1113904;1430238569;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: sorry, ghadaffi was born in '42. that makes waaay more sense.
1113905;1430238573;davout;williamdunne: what?
1113906;1430238574;ben_vulpes;kids kinda funny
1113907;1430238629;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: yeah
1113908;1430238642;williamdunne;davout: I'm writing it because it interesting to do, and I have some ideas it could be useful for
1113909;1430238666;davout;the latter part being pretty much what i'm asking
1113910;1430238672;ben_vulpes;achtung, qntrites! ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
1113911;1430238707;davout;;;isup trilema.com
1113912;1430238708;gribble;trilema.com is up
1113913;1430238713;ben_vulpes;http://qntra.net/2015/04/warrick-county-prosecutors-office-cover-up-ransomware-infection/ << ascii_field the thing is nowhere near harvested
1113914;1430238713;assbot;Warrick County Prosecutor's Office Cover Up Ransomware Infection | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1QFffbW )
1113915;1430238742;williamdunne;davout: Allowing people who are trusted significantly enough to carry out a contract, to sell their future earnings in return for money today. Sorta like an MPEX for people
1113916;1430238769;davout;i parse that as some variant of btcjam
1113917;1430238780;williamdunne;Not really
1113918;1430238783;williamdunne;It wouldn't be loans
1113919;1430238802;williamdunne;i.e I sell 40% of all my future income for xx btc today
1113920;1430238808;williamdunne;I may make 1 btc in the rest of my life
1113921;1430238816;williamdunne;In which case its a net negative
1113922;1430238851;davout;ok, that would be a stock exchange
1113923;1430238861;williamdunne;Correct >Sorta like an MPEX for people
1113924;1430238931;williamdunne;So rather than buying S.Dice it would be P.Voorhees
1113925;1430238971;ben_vulpes;stross had a book about this
1113926;1430238983;davout;ic
1113927;1430238991;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: know what the yield was ?
1113928;1430238998;ascii_field;(of the particular turd)
1113929;1430239018;*;ben_vulpes relents, temporarily
1113930;1430239024;ben_vulpes;(how could i?)
1113931;1430239071;ascii_field;i can guess - nice round number
1113932;1430239072;ascii_field;0.
1113933;1430239084;ben_vulpes;you can guess all you like, doesn't mean diddly.
1113934;1430239099;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113798 << hawwww
1113935;1430239099;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 13:34:26; mircea_popescu: i am old now, and not so easily entertained.
1113936;1430239100;ascii_field;guess based on samples i collect personally
1113937;1430239126;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: it is precisely like the spam cargo cult
1113938;1430239162;ben_vulpes;you're not collecting water station samples, are you?
1113939;1430239171;ascii_field;wai wut
1113940;1430239185;ben_vulpes;the water filtration station - it's not ending up in your nets.
1113941;1430239849;mircea_popescu;https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/trunk/phk/ssl.html lawl
1113942;1430239850;assbot;Why no SSL ? — Varnish version trunk documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxwIZu )
1113943;1430239894;kakobrekla;<sturles> I think I hve found the reason for the recent spike in sales.  Microsoft keeps earning me money.  This time their users get infected with Cryptowall 3.0.  Explains the many recent purchases of about 500 USD worth in bitcoins.
1113944;1430240277;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1113945;1430240285;mircea_popescu;here's me having wasted 4 hours trying to sysadmin.
1113946;1430240296;mircea_popescu;it is obviously trivial to get varnish installed, and it will cache.
1113947;1430240339;mircea_popescu;obviously, it will fuck up the source IP for requests. it's not obvious how to get apache to fix this.
1113948;1430240349;mircea_popescu;and so here we are, AGAIN : foss is perfectly fucking useless.
1113949;1430240363;mircea_popescu;it "mostly" does the job, every time. it NEVER actually does the job. not ever.
1113950;1430240398;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1113951;1430240402;ascii_field;^^^^^^
1113952;1430240523;mircea_popescu;"it might be nginx, it might me mod_rpaf, it might be mod_futipemata ; some of these have been forked. the way to install them is make the whole fucking httpd-devel
1113953;1430240529;mircea_popescu;as if THAT is what i wanna do.
1113954;1430240535;mircea_popescu;http://stderr.net/apache/rpaf/ is fucking down
1113955;1430240538;mircea_popescu;and in generall...
1113956;1430240603;ascii_field;welcome to the sad hell
1113957;1430240640;mircea_popescu;or you know, you could install nginx
1113958;1430240648;mircea_popescu;because totally, that's the stack you want, 8 things long
1113959;1430240662;mircea_popescu;or you could install apachebooster, which is... a wrapper on nginx and varnish, by "prajith"
1113960;1430240679;mircea_popescu;who meanwhile sold it to some derp-ass host corp, that wants 9 bux a year. for what exactly ? a script ?
1113961;1430240703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00029973 = 10.5205 BTC [-]
1113962;1430240763;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the actual sad hell is not this. it is that i will solve it, and that will serve ABSOLUTELY NOBODY
1113963;1430240789;mircea_popescu;supposedly THIS is why we're wasting all the money on "ip" enforcement : so that i am not in this position where i can say the above.
1113964;1430240793;mircea_popescu;works about as well as fucking foss.
1113965;1430240794;ascii_field;well yes, will solve it
1113966;1430240796;ascii_field;how else.
1113967;1430240808;mircea_popescu;dignork yes, it does. but apache does not look at it.
1113968;1430240830;mircea_popescu;and i know this, incidentally, because i have meanwhile learned "vcl"
1113969;1430240831;ascii_field;and of course it will serve no one else. that'd be, what, interchangeable parts, it isn't 1800 yet, not invented yet
1113970;1430240839;mircea_popescu;which is a retarded domain language with consturcts like
1113971;1430240844;mircea_popescu;    remove req.http.X-Forwarded-For;
1113972;1430240844;mircea_popescu;    set req.http.X-Forwarded-For = client.ip;
1113973;1430240971;mircea_popescu;all the boyish idiocy of "software development" needs to go die in a fire.
1113974;1430240992;mircea_popescu;!up dignork
1113975;1430241011;dignork;thanks :)
1113976;1430241020;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: at present, no one has the fuel for this fire.
1113977;1430241034;ascii_field;ignition - yes, buncha angry fellas with welding torches
1113978;1430241038;mircea_popescu;dignork it's not a matter of logging it. it's a matter of, php no longer sees the source
1113979;1430241056;mircea_popescu;ascii_field hopefully i get the fetlife femmes pissy enough to combust.
1113980;1430241195;mircea_popescu;http://old.drupion.com/resources/downloads/mod-rpaf << check it out, the file is actually lost.
1113981;1430241196;assbot;Installing mod_rpaf on CentOS Apache server | Managed Drupal Hosting Services on Drupal Optimized with Varnish, APC, Memcache, Apache Solr, Drush, Webmin/Virtualmin and more! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxC8DX )
1113982;1430241196;dignork;well, it's still accessible as http header (X-Forwarded-For or similar), so it will require some minor changes to php code
1113983;1430241206;mircea_popescu;random derps are willing to send you a copy. if you trust them. signatures ? wots ? wut ?
1113984;1430241217;mircea_popescu;dignork change THE CODE because of THE SERVER ?!
1113985;1430241222;mircea_popescu;WHAT THE FUCK I AM GOING TO BURN
1113986;1430241252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17040 @ 0.00030652 = 5.2231 BTC [+] {2} 
1113987;1430241350;dignork;adding reverse proxy is infrastructure change, original code might have been written with such change in mind, but even if not, usally it's a minor modification
1113988;1430241366;mircea_popescu;the most insulting thing is that while the wisdom seems to be "eh, change the code", there does not exist a master list where you know, all the code dependencies are nicely cross-referenced, so i can just go "fuckup-php for-the-ip-poroxy-issue"
1113989;1430241396;mircea_popescu;think about it. why the fuck should the code have to know about this. and if it does have to know about this, why aren't ALL the code references affected by any of such a change cross-indexed somewhere ?
1113990;1430241401;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: there is probably enough accumulated anger of this kind among computer users for two or three classy genocides
1113991;1430241437;*;ascii_field has, if anyone didn't know, a whole www site about this
1113992;1430241441;mircea_popescu;dignork the only way you would be allowed to write code, in a world where "hey, if infrastructure changes code needs to change" is with index lists of "all lines affected by X - here" "all lines affected by Y - here"
1113993;1430241471;*;ascii_field recalls this exists as ada postprocessor
1113994;1430241479;mircea_popescu;i am not surprised.
1113995;1430241533;ascii_field;but this is a mega-l0l - apache crud, etc. wake me up when someone has the resources to rewrite even something that catastrophically matters, e.g. bitcoin
1113996;1430241568;mircea_popescu;it doesn't even exist, you hear me ? the cannonical way to get ip fixed on a varnished apache is "Note that http://stderr.net/apache/rpaf/download/mod_rpaf-0.6.tar.gz where the file originally were located for some reason is off currently."
1113997;1430241583;mircea_popescu;i thouht it's just off you know, as i happened to look at it. but no, they have blogposts about it
1113998;1430241639;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Can you not use the WordPress cacheing plugin?
1113999;1430241650;mircea_popescu;the who now ?!
1114000;1430241654;dignork;mircea_popescu: you wouldn't believe amount of horribly broken code which blows up in ipv6 environment, anything from integer overflows,crashes,malfunctions to firewalls leaving your machine exposed
1114001;1430241672;mircea_popescu;dignork o, i'd believe.
1114002;1430241688;ascii_field;dignork: we knew. which is why i banned ipv6 in my home, and press for its permanent exclusion from therealbitcoin
1114003;1430241704;mircea_popescu;ascii_field how is it ipv6's fault!
1114004;1430241738;ascii_field;elementarily, and all else aside, it makes naked eye analysis of lan traffic considerably more painful
1114005;1430241754;mircea_popescu;so then use ipv2!
1114006;1430241764;ascii_field;lol wut
1114007;1430241781;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: WP Super Cache I think its called, it Caches your HTML and serves that rather than rendering on each load
1114008;1430241788;williamdunne;So basically like varnish but a bit more shit
1114009;1430241803;mircea_popescu;how is it like varnish at all ? it's a php script neh ?
1114010;1430241839;williamdunne;Maybe I'm not remembering what varnish is correctly, but it is a middleware that serves up static HTML instead of asking the server, right?
1114011;1430241867;mircea_popescu;well, yes, but it stands in front of apache
1114012;1430241881;williamdunne;Yeah, its a bit like that except serverside
1114013;1430241887;williamdunne;Not ideal, but better than nothing
1114014;1430241899;williamdunne;(Until you find a better solution, that is)
1114015;1430242005;mircea_popescu;maybe i could reimplement apache in php first! then i could run varnish (reimplemented in php too) in front of it and not lose the ips.
1114016;1430242072;williamdunne;Why not reimplement it in brainfuck?
1114017;1430242150;mircea_popescu;because much like ada, brainfuck is an actually specified language
1114018;1430242161;mircea_popescu;so it's probably not fast enough for the web.
1114019;1430242199;*;ascii_field observes that ada uses gcc backend, but this is already known to most
1114020;1430242212;williamdunne;++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++.
1114021;1430242240;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1114022;1430242244;*;ascii_field once wrote a forth to brainfuck compiler
1114023;1430242327;williamdunne;"FXCO Ltd. 2013 - 2016 © All rights reserved"
1114024;1430242333;BingoBoingo;https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fuckfuck
1114025;1430242362;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/jsimnz/fuckfuck
1114026;1430242363;assbot;jsimnz/fuckfuck · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HUz4te )
1114027;1430243477;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/28/we-fly-because-were-loved/#comment-16349 << ascii_field. replied.
1114028;1430243478;assbot;We fly because we’re loved. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1P3fw51 )
1114029;1430243625;pete_dushenski;!up dignork
1114030;1430243815;pete_dushenski;http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/blog/inside-the-apple-watch-technical-teardown/ << anatomy of a closed boxen.
1114031;1430243818;assbot;Inside the Apple Watch: Technical Teardown | Chipworks Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1P3gz4W )
1114032;1430243901;mircea_popescu;this shit is rich.
1114033;1430243901;mircea_popescu;https://documentation.cpanel.net/display/EA/Custom+Modules
1114034;1430243904;assbot;Custom Modules - EasyApache - cPanel Documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1P3gQ7W )
1114035;1430243912;mircea_popescu;To install a custom module, perform the following steps on the command line as the root user:
1114036;1430243912;mircea_popescu;Download the custom module archive file to your computer.
1114037;1430243912;mircea_popescu;With your preferred file transfer method, upload the custom module's archive file to your server's /var/cpanel/easy/apache/custom_opt_mods/ directory.
1114038;1430244106;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1114039;1430244210;davout;mircea_popescu: i haven't been using apache for a long long while, but maybe mod_remoteip does what you want, override the source IP by some IP it finds in an HTTP header
1114040;1430244227;mircea_popescu;yes. except it doesn't run for apache 2.2.x
1114041;1430244265;davout;klol
1114042;1430244286;mircea_popescu;among the changes from 2.2 to 2.4 (current) ? alf will appreciate this
1114043;1430244291;mircea_popescu;Apache 2.4 uses a dynamic modular structure by default. This potentially can cause problems if a LoadModule directive calls a module that was not built into the Apache binary.
1114044;1430244291;mircea_popescu;EasyApache overrides Apache 2.4's default settings and builds modules statically to provide backward compatibility.
1114045;1430244298;mircea_popescu;static builds are "backwards compatibility" nao
1114046;1430244325;williamdunne;Is it possible to just search through your code and edit all header["ip_address"] to header["remote_ip"]?
1114047;1430244332;williamdunne;Or whatever the variable is called
1114048;1430244341;mircea_popescu;i could even write a perl script to do it...
1114049;1430244345;davout;i don't get how the structure can be "dynamic modular" and then "cause problems" when stuff isn't built right into apache
1114050;1430244360;mircea_popescu;davout welcome to technical writing today.
1114051;1430244412;davout;and wrt to the reference index thing, it's kind of weird that the same stuff would be defined at multiple places anyway
1114052;1430244438;davout;unless coding is done with Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V
1114053;1430244584;mircea_popescu;heh.
1114054;1430244585;mircea_popescu;Compiling and Installing mod_remoteip on Apache 2.2
1114055;1430244585;mircea_popescu;If you are running Apache 2.2, you can thank Takashi Takizawa for backporting mod_remoteip for Apache 2.2.X servers and posting it on his GitHub as mod_remoteip_httpd22.
1114056;1430244609;mircea_popescu;so what's the wot vote, do i thank " Takashi Takizawa" for his work and download random code offa da github ?
1114057;1430244621;mircea_popescu;what signatures or anything, it's  Takashi Takizawa!!
1114058;1430244625;davout;patch can't be that large to review
1114059;1430244699;mircea_popescu;yeah, i am looking forward to reviewing random code for free.
1114060;1430244710;mircea_popescu;just another $500 an hour service i do for the world.
1114061;1430244733;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this is what the stack of shit is built on. "oh, little step X can't be too hard"
1114062;1430244734;mircea_popescu;fuck you.
1114063;1430244824;williamdunne;What difference would it make if he had signed it? Its not like you know the guy enough to trust him
1114064;1430244845;mircea_popescu;but maybe i know someone who does trust him ?
1114065;1430244870;mircea_popescu;moreover, if i do know some guys who trust him, the cost of obtaining a new Takashi Takizawa is not equal to s/Takashi Takizawa/Takashi Takizawa/
1114066;1430245120;mircea_popescu;448 lines. i am not happy with a dollar a line. not that i'm getting paid or anything.
1114067;1430245431;davout;yeah well, either you code due diligence or you don't, up to you, never mentioned anything about "reviewing random code for free"
1114068;1430245668;mircea_popescu;and if i do, it's wasted.
1114069;1430245693;mircea_popescu;"there's free as in beer, free as in freedom, and free as in your time has no value"
1114070;1430245761;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: one way to look at it is that division of labour never really happened in computing. to the useful point where you can actually safely hand something off to a pro. instead, we're all in a situation not unlike that ru doctor in the polar expedition who had to self-appendectomy
1114071;1430245816;mircea_popescu;the other way to look at this is that everyone involved in computer software should be sent back to third grade
1114072;1430245822;mircea_popescu;with a month's supply of daily beatings.
1114073;1430245838;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: or that zany dentist who did her own root canals.
1114074;1430245872;Adlai;probably more like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW4PH2ibdh4 since we at least have (a few old and trusted) machines on our side
1114075;1430245873;assbot;Prometheus surgery scene - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PT7Bt7 )
1114076;1430245922;mircea_popescu;now back to the issue : the "backported" thing compiles. apache has no care in the world.
1114077;1430245932;mircea_popescu;how do you drop modules into apache ?
1114078;1430245945;davout;williamdunne: thought a bit about your project, sounds like a degenerate case of a stock exchange actually
1114079;1430245953;Adlai;this is also why the only sane approach to programming depends upon homoiconicity... there's simply too much code for a single human to type by hand
1114080;1430245956;Adlai;!up ascii_field
1114081;1430245988;williamdunne;davout: Not sure why it would be degenerate, but yes. Very similar.
1114082;1430246012;williamdunne;Hence >Sorta like an MPEX for people
1114083;1430246061;davout;williamdunne: because if your work consists of projects X, Y, and Z you can decide to raise capital separately for each of them separately on a stock exchange, not only as "here's me, throw money at me"
1114084;1430246087;williamdunne;Thats the point
1114085;1430246130;williamdunne;If you believe that someone has the potential to do something great, but do not know how many attempts it may take them to do so, it allows you to bet on their success rather than the success of the current project
1114086;1430246203;davout;in this case a stock market would have the advantage of making shitty stuff fail earlier
1114087;1430246261;williamdunne;I'm hoping it just increases the velocity, so shitty stuff fails sooner and good stuff succeeds sooner
1114088;1430246263;davout;"i didn't even get to try projects X and Y because the market told me it was retarded", on the other hand Z was pretty successful"
1114089;1430246298;williamdunne;X Y and Z have a number of other metrics you can use to attain success i.e revenue growth
1114090;1430246325;davout;what other metric than money did you have in mind?
1114091;1430246354;ascii_field;wake me up when there is actually the money floating around to give anything serious at all its minimal take-off velocity.
1114092;1430246383;ascii_field;(to a first approximation, afaik, there isn't)
1114093;1430246395;williamdunne;davout: Growth of userbase etc, its not meant to be a sure-fire bet to make money
1114094;1430246475;williamdunne;Its also more restrictive, as its not restricted to projects. i.e a student could use it if doing some sort of professional degree
1114095;1430246489;williamdunne;Really the idea is just making it possible to invest in people rather than things
1114096;1430246569;Adlai;ascii_field: on the contrary, the money is there, but it's steered by people who prefer to fund http://itsthisforthat.com/api.php?text
1114097;1430246569;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTa7j5 )
1114098;1430246574;williamdunne;Although your issue could somewhat solved by allowing shareholders to allocate what money goes where
1114099;1430246579;ascii_field;williamdunne: it is already possible. pick your favourite people and give $1m to each, in unmarked benjies.
1114100;1430246593;davout;that's kind of a basic mistake here, assuming you can invest in things, if I buy a bitcoin asset I'm really investing in the people running it, not in some ethereal abstract "thing"
1114101;1430246627;davout;williamdunne: shareholders being able to allocate "what money goes where" is pretty much a stock market
1114102;1430246632;williamdunne;davout: If I believe paymium will possibly fail, but that you're going do something great in the future, I would be better off investing in you than paymium
1114103;1430246653;williamdunne;davout: true
1114104;1430247025;mircea_popescu;heh. mkay, i got it, now it's terribly broken :D
1114105;1430247116;williamdunne;davout: Basically its no longer a bet on whether or not the project is retarded, but whether or not you're retarded
1114106;1430247124;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: What is?
1114107;1430247130;davout;mircea_popescu: good good, let the broken http requests flow through you
1114108;1430247149;mircea_popescu;anyway, at least now i know what needs fixing
1114109;1430247328;davout;williamdunne: my main point is that this is already what you're doing when buying a BTC-denominated asset that's run by someone and that your idea removes more value than what it adds to the stock exchange value proposition
1114110;1430247352;davout;but hey, at the end of the day you're the one doing the work!
1114111;1430247472;williamdunne;davout: well it wouldn't be BTC denominated, but yeah. While it certainly removes some things, its not targeted at people who would need those things
1114112;1430247518;lobbes;<williamdunne> ... If I believe paymium will possibly fail, but that you're going do something great in the future, I would be better off investing in you than paymium << In this case, wouldn't you just wait until he creates the project you think -will- succeed and invest in that?
1114113;1430247588;williamdunne;lobbes: Potentially so, although of course that assumes that you have the capacity to do so, and he has the capitulation to get to that point
1114114;1430247611;ascii_field;capitulation ?!
1114115;1430247621;*;ascii_field head-desks
1114116;1430247638;davout;ascii_field: looks like my french-ness shows even through IRC
1114117;1430247673;davout;williamdunne: you're not making sense
1114118;1430247700;williamdunne;ascii_field: Sorry for word derpage
1114119;1430247810;davout;!up ascii_field
1114120;1430248485;mircea_popescu;hallelujah!
1114121;1430248490;mircea_popescu;i think i actually got it.
1114122;1430248513;mircea_popescu;someone be so kind to leave a comment on trilema so i see if teh ip is alright ?
1114123;1430248519;williamdunne;k
1114124;1430248541;williamdunne;Error 503 Service Unavailable
1114125;1430248541;williamdunne;Service Unavailable
1114126;1430248541;williamdunne;Guru Meditation:
1114127;1430248541;williamdunne;XID: 1771716550
1114128;1430248541;williamdunne;Varnish cache server
1114129;1430248548;williamdunne;On comment submit
1114130;1430248565;mircea_popescu;gah
1114131;1430248604;williamdunne;Okay it worked this time
1114132;1430248694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22065 @ 0.00029325 = 6.4706 BTC [-]
1114133;1430249849;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1114134;1430249885;jurov;http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/mod/mod_remoteip.html mircea_popescu this does not work?
1114135;1430249886;assbot;mod_remoteip - Apache HTTP Server Version 2.5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dycb7a )
1114136;1430249903;mircea_popescu;jurov it's for apache 2.4
1114137;1430249908;mircea_popescu;which, as discussed in log...
1114138;1430250019;jurov;i see
1114139;1430250081;mircea_popescu;well ok, this should be fixed now.
1114140;1430250091;mircea_popescu;please everyone do report any bullshit coming from trilema!
1114141;1430250154;mircea_popescu;jurov how do i contribute signed non-bitcoin code to the great codex ?
1114142;1430250159;mircea_popescu;pls to excuse my noobery.
1114143;1430250212;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: GitHub is the accepted norm
1114144;1430250227;mircea_popescu;not here.
1114145;1430250229;davout;williamdunne: you must be new here
1114146;1430250267;trinque;that's a paddlin'
1114147;1430250277;williamdunne;trinque: lol
1114148;1430250278;jurov;he means btc-dev
1114149;1430250291;jurov;would make sense to have a new mailing list for nonbtc stuff
1114150;1430250300;williamdunne;Ahh, I assumed MP meant the varnish code
1114151;1430250310;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Still getting; "Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again."
1114152;1430250380;jurov;"Server: - Varnished by MP" lol
1114153;1430250436;Adlai;whence wothub?
1114154;1430250560;jurov;should i make such list? and on therealbitcoin or some other domain?
1114155;1430250575;mircea_popescu;jurov not sure if worth the hassle forjust this
1114156;1430250576;jurov;wothub ain't bad
1114157;1430250622;*;Adlai envisions 'wothub' as a content-addressable signed patchstore
1114158;1430250628;trinque;we need that.
1114159;1430250677;Adlai;so build it trinque !
1114160;1430250688;Adlai;stop waiting for other people to take initiative
1114161;1430250695;trinque;who says I am
1114162;1430250700;trinque;if I find the time maybe I will
1114163;1430250710;trinque;not committing to it while I can't guarantee I'll execute
1114164;1430250777;*;Adlai waits for trinque to take initiative
1114165;1430250845;*;williamdunne not sure what is wrong with using github with pgp signatures
1114166;1430250860;trinque;williamdunne: enemy territory
1114167;1430250864;trinque;it should be hosted in-wot
1114168;1430250882;williamdunne;What difference does it make if you have local backups and its all signed?
1114169;1430250899;williamdunne;Not like they can modify the code or take it from you, just delete it from their servers
1114170;1430250906;williamdunne;Hardly a dealbreaker IMO
1114171;1430250921;trinque;why have factories in the US when China will produce everything for us cheaper?
1114172;1430250929;trinque;it's a matter of growing infrastructure
1114173;1430250935;trinque;and expertise
1114174;1430250988;Pierre_Rochard;why not both? mirror on github, run your own git server
1114175;1430250994;davout;while github is not an option i'm with williamdunne here, git is nice and having a foundation-operated git server would be a good thing imo
1114176;1430251004;trinque;I am also in favor of git
1114177;1430251006;Pierre_Rochard;^ yes
1114178;1430251007;mircea_popescu;how gpg friendly is it ?
1114179;1430251026;Pierre_Rochard;it’s ssh friendly, send your ssh pubkey signed with your gpg key
1114180;1430251032;Adlai;!s darcs
1114181;1430251033;assbot;25 results for 'darcs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=darcs
1114182;1430251054;williamdunne;You can store anything on git, so nothing stopping you from attaching signatures
1114183;1430251055;davout;mircea_popescu: i think you can sign commits, also it can't really be less gpg-friendly than throwing tarballs around
1114184;1430251085;davout;looking into it
1114185;1430251099;Adlai;fwiw, darcs is much more friendly to the "signed patch" model of modification; git is better for 'signed code'; and neither are perfect
1114186;1430251151;Adlai;(git only lets you sign merkle roots of the source code, rather than diffs)
1114187;1430251160;mats;git and github is not so great
1114188;1430251173;Adlai;although... signed roots are kinda what you want
1114189;1430251179;Adlai;mats: what's wrong with git itself?
1114190;1430251180;davout;http://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Signing-Your-Work
1114191;1430251182;assbot;Git - Signing Your Work ... ( http://bit.ly/1DygLSU )
1114192;1430251205;davout;Adlai: "In more recent versions of Git (v1.7.9 and above), you can now also sign individual commits."
1114193;1430251206;mats;overengineered, cvs is often good enough
1114194;1430251222;trinque;eh
1114195;1430251224;trinque;no way
1114196;1430251225;Adlai;LOL
1114197;1430251227;davout;blergh
1114198;1430251227;Adlai;!b 4
1114199;1430251227;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XQWDP1.txt )
1114200;1430251228;Adlai;fuck
1114201;1430251236;trinque;branching is good, merging is good
1114202;1430251240;davout;Adlai: c-c-c-combo breaker
1114203;1430251243;Adlai;mats: shirley you're joking
1114204;1430251260;trinque;having one goddamn tower that can get skullfucked by orcs is bad
1114205;1430251264;williamdunne;git >>>>>>> cvs
1114206;1430251290;williamdunne;I'll keep my commits thank you very much
1114207;1430251296;Adlai;davout: the "sign commits" feature still essentially consists of signing a merkle root of the source tree; darks lets you sign the patch
1114208;1430251298;trinque;prudent I think to discuss which DVCS to use
1114209;1430251303;trinque;but DVCS by god
1114210;1430251329;Adlai;there's stuff to be said for either side... tbh, it seems like signing merkle roots is what yall want
1114211;1430251366;davout;Adlai: well, from what i understand of the docs, you can sign -individual commits- which is a new feature because originally it could only do what you say
1114212;1430251378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53300 @ 0.00030083 = 16.0342 BTC [+] {3} 
1114213;1430251399;davout;now, how you verify them, and how you enforce mandatory signature is something else
1114214;1430251404;Adlai;davout: an "individual commit" is still just a hash of the commit message + merkle root of the source tree
1114215;1430251418;trinque;davout: sounds like fancy hooks
1114216;1430251424;trinque;to reject bad pushes
1114217;1430251444;Adlai;so, it's less convenient for signing a patch relative to an upstream repo; but is exactly what you want if you just want to have a single head to put on a stake when heardbleed 2.0 gets uncovered
1114218;1430251458;davout;trinque: that's one thing, the other is: whenever i pull i want to verify it independently
1114219;1430251476;trinque;indeed
1114220;1430251487;williamdunne;*clone
1114221;1430251495;Adlai;so you either want darcs with every single patch signed, or git
1114222;1430251512;davout;Adlai: you're probably right, i think the difference isn't that important though, the point of the wot is to make an identity valuable
1114223;1430251540;Adlai;git has the advantage of a single signature covering the entire current state; darcs has the advantage of letting a single signature cover changes alone. it's really a question of use case
1114224;1430251572;Adlai;the real problem is technophobia, "I trust nothing other than butterflies and sed"
1114225;1430251586;Adlai;... but whence the sed binary?
1114226;1430251610;ascii_field;not the git thing again
1114227;1430251615;davout;they're functionally equivalent, but i guess that if darcs is a better fit, why not
1114228;1430251670;Adlai;they're not! the darcs model would've let mircea_popescu submit a single fix to apache, whereas the git model requires him to sign the entire apache source tree
1114229;1430251687;Adlai;!up ascii_field
1114230;1430251726;davout;Adlai: they're functionnaly equivalent, not identical, the functionality in this case being the identification of the head to chop off
1114231;1430251753;Adlai;either approach lets you determine which fingers inserted which code
1114232;1430251753;williamdunne;davout: How is that different to git? You can blame individual lines of coding using git
1114233;1430251767;davout;Adlai: that's exactly my point
1114234;1430251787;ascii_field;git is pernicious for safety-critical code because it - however slightly - reduces the expectation that every line of diff is attentively read
1114235;1430251796;trinque;this is a social problem
1114236;1430251798;ascii_field;by making it easy to process heavy diffs
1114237;1430251799;trinque;not a technology problem
1114238;1430251809;trinque;max commit size and beatings
1114239;1430251820;davout;^this
1114240;1430251832;ascii_field;i do -not- want nonhumanreadable state in source.
1114241;1430251840;ascii_field;it is an abomination.
1114242;1430251850;Adlai;what's 'nonhumanreadable'?
1114243;1430251861;ascii_field;can't be cat'd to a vt100.
1114244;1430251863;ascii_field;or line printer.
1114245;1430251868;davout;ascii_field: is a tarball human readable?
1114246;1430251870;trinque;gits data model is... lemme see if I can remember; it's been a while since I wrote a postgresql fdw into it
1114247;1430251873;williamdunne;https://github.com/davout/bitcoin-central/blame/master/lib/liberty_reserve/client.rb
1114248;1430251874;assbot;bitcoin-central/lib/liberty_reserve/client.rb at master · davout/bitcoin-central · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyjOKS )
1114249;1430251889;trinque;commit points to other commits and a tree, tree points to tree entries, which point to blobs
1114250;1430251889;davout;williamdunne: whiskey tango foxtrot
1114251;1430251891;ascii_field;davout: if uncompressed - very much so
1114252;1430251898;trinque;all things are blobs, even the aforementioned
1114253;1430251901;trinque;keys are hashes
1114254;1430251903;trinque;what's not to understand
1114255;1430251907;williamdunne;davout: blame tool
1114256;1430251915;trinque;then you have the tool atop that data model which yes, has all kinds of bullshit
1114257;1430251922;trinque;but the data model itself is easily understood
1114258;1430251931;trinque;and inspectable by human eyes
1114259;1430251942;Adlai;trinque: darcs is even simpler, but has the disadvantage (which was previously mentioned as an advantage!) of allowing people to submit changes which cause malicious behavior when combined with previously-signed changes
1114260;1430251950;davout;williamdunne: look what's your point here? that one can git-blame?
1114261;1430251960;williamdunne;pretty much
1114262;1430251962;davout;williamdunne: everybody fucking knows that
1114263;1430251967;trinque;lol
1114264;1430251983;Adlai;williamdunne: the problem here is more one of convincing ascii_field that there exists trustworthyness outside of his own skull
1114265;1430252002;williamdunne;Ah okay, not sure if I can help with that.
1114266;1430252004;trinque;so the process of establishing trust should be human and involve eyes
1114267;1430252016;trinque;the process of managing a bunch of feature branches and shit, I want a tool
1114268;1430252021;trinque;doing that manually doesn't make me smarter.
1114269;1430252027;Adlai;signed tarballs are still corruptible, if your tar (or gpg) binary is diddled
1114270;1430252032;trinque;everything is
1114271;1430252078;Adlai;really this is all masturbation until we have a by-hand constructible fab
1114272;1430252080;trinque;!rate dickhead -10 committed 1000 lines of god knows what
1114273;1430252080;assbot;dickhead is not registered in WoT.
1114274;1430252084;trinque;that's how you fix that
1114275;1430252143;*;Adlai dogwalks and drinks away the shittiness of modern computing
1114276;1430252184;davout;ascii_field: would you have no problem with a tool that you can bypass, and build the source with the actual signed commits ?
1114277;1430252191;Adlai;sorry, not just regular old wanking - *competitive* masturbation
1114278;1430252245;davout;according to Adlai it isn't really practical to do with git, however, if darcs can output actual clearsigned diffs that would allow one to re-construct the same source tree by hand and check the sigs manually
1114279;1430252264;ascii_field;davout: problem is not just the build
1114280;1430252275;ascii_field;davout: but that git etc make adding crud easy
1114281;1430252277;Adlai;davout: it's doable with git, although requires numerous calls to sha256sum and building 'ls' output by hand
1114282;1430252289;ascii_field;and creates the expectation of using git
1114283;1430252295;Adlai;darcs is much easier to reproduce by hand, since it's JUST applying signed patches
1114284;1430252296;trinque;ascii_field: doesn't this apply to the use of power tools?
1114285;1430252305;trinque;shouldn't use them because an idiot will just end up without an arm?
1114286;1430252309;davout;ascii_field: i'm with trinque here, it's a social problem, not to be solved by tools
1114287;1430252310;Adlai;trinque: this applies to the use of silicon that you didn't forge yourself
1114288;1430252313;davout;but by the wot
1114289;1430252322;Adlai;ascii_field is just choosing to trust intel/amd/etc
1114290;1430252336;trinque;right, I can guarantee at least that I have no qualms screaming at a person that's done wrong
1114291;1430252341;ascii_field;Adlai: it is a mistake to conclude that i trust
1114292;1430252361;Adlai;well, we're choosig a point at which we give up on paranoia as overly hampering
1114293;1430252375;Adlai;and arguing over where exactly that point is
1114294;1430252381;ascii_field;notice that you -can- use git etc personally, no prob
1114295;1430252403;ascii_field;but this is not what git aficionados want. they expect -me- to use it if i want to participate
1114296;1430252415;ascii_field;and to have the canonical representation of the project be a git turd
1114297;1430252420;trinque;well, the social experiment would be instructive, would it not?
1114298;1430252420;*;Adlai is making too many typos to continue participating in the discourse
1114299;1430252469;ascii_field;trinque: go 'experiment' with boeing's avionics code
1114300;1430252471;Adlai;last thought: a signed-patch-dev mailing list, and some trivial darcs wrapper that consumes attachments from that mailing list to frob any random repository, whether git, darks, or - for mats's's benefit - cvs. left as an exercise to the reader.
1114301;1430252475;ascii_field;will be an interesting social experiment, yes
1114302;1430252499;trinque;ascii_field: if people cannot be brought to obey processes, how can any group activity ever occur?
1114303;1430252516;Adlai;note that darcs does NOTHING beyond 'patch -p1 < thingy'
1114304;1430252521;trinque;^
1114305;1430252527;ascii_field;Adlai: go ahead and use it then
1114306;1430252533;ascii_field;but don't expect me to
1114307;1430252535;Adlai;it needs to be written first :)
1114308;1430252540;*;Adlai dogwalk
1114309;1430252569;ascii_field;wtf is so hard to understand re: 'the canonical representation of the project must be human-readable' ?
1114310;1430252570;trinque;it should be noted that ascii_field's profession as I understand it is knowing how attacks occur
1114311;1430252576;trinque;and I respect that
1114312;1430252599;trinque;and "speed" of development should not be a value
1114313;1430252635;ascii_field;trinque: it is a mistake to conclude that i am bringing deep wisdom from some 'respectable society' profession here. i am deliberately and profanely pissing on 'best practices'
1114314;1430252637;trinque;ascii_field: seems you should write up what you think is an appropriate process for maintaining a "mainline" branch
1114315;1430252647;trinque;ascii_field: I am referring to you, not an industry
1114316;1430252657;ascii_field;why? because we have a little problem with vermin, in computing
1114317;1430252664;ascii_field;and the only solution, at this point, is neutron bomb
1114318;1430252667;trinque;certainly
1114319;1430252689;ascii_field;i don't have the neutron bomb yet. so we're stuck with flamethrowers
1114320;1430252698;davout;ascii_field: i hear your points
1114321;1430252723;ascii_field;but even so, anyone who wants - davout, trinque, et al - can use favourite versioncontrolsystem at home
1114322;1430252741;trinque;ascii_field: I would be pleased with a process that allowed for that, but that there is only one route to "released"
1114323;1430252752;trinque;and think you're on the money re: how that should operate
1114324;1430252795;ascii_field;i mean, when you write own contributions, you can generate them however you like
1114325;1430252801;ascii_field;so long as the output is a unix patch
1114326;1430252816;trinque;sure, I see room for collaborating on feature branches though
1114327;1430252846;ascii_field;incidentally, for readers unfamiliar with the overall thread, the project under discussion - therealbitcoin - does not belong to me. it is run by ben_vulpes and mod6. who appear to agree with my position here.
1114328;1430252880;trinque;ben_vulpes uses git in his day to day work, and I'm sure for a reason
1114329;1430252889;trinque;or if not that some other dvcs
1114330;1430252890;ascii_field;it is worth repeating precisely -why- i specified  'unix patches' to be the canonical representations
1114331;1430252920;williamdunne;Maybe there is a good reason why this would not work, but could you not just generate an XML file that contains the names of all the files, a hash of each file, and then sign the XML? Could be automated fairly easily and would work on top of existing solutions
1114332;1430252924;ascii_field;the ultimate product is to be a series of -human-auditable- diffs, each small and extremely narrowly focused, starting from classical bitcoind 0.5.3.
1114333;1430252934;ascii_field;this is to establish -pedigree-
1114334;1430252942;trinque;williamdunne: XML nein
1114335;1430252962;williamdunne;trinque: some sort of record of the files and shasums then
1114336;1430252972;ascii_field;williamdunne: we have this. 'manifest'
1114337;1430252974;trinque;williamdunne: this is what the tree in git already is
1114338;1430252988;trinque;pile of hashes and blobs they refer to
1114339;1430252991;ascii_field;it is how i specified a de-crufted subset of 0.5.3's files on day 1
1114340;1430253006;ascii_field;(diff does not offer a simple way to say 'deleted whole file')
1114341;1430253035;trinque;so it lacks information
1114342;1430253039;ascii_field;trinque: my opposition to git et al as canonical representations is because they have -any- 'behind the scenes' components.
1114343;1430253052;trinque;I agree 100% that "canonical" as the outside world is made to see it should not be a git repo
1114344;1430253052;ascii_field;as well as reasons listed earlier.
1114345;1430253057;trinque;and understand your rationale
1114346;1430253068;trinque;I think hackers here would just like to collaborate via something other than email
1114347;1430253077;trinque;it's a shitty interface and I'm not dealing with it
1114348;1430253090;trinque;doesn't make me feel smart to pluck a patch from an email attachment
1114349;1430253102;ascii_field;trinque: automate.
1114350;1430253119;trinque;and that approaches dvcs
1114351;1430253121;ascii_field;and pluck from jurov's www forum.
1114352;1430253131;ascii_field;trinque: no, it does not. because there is no hidden state.
1114353;1430253143;trinque;I don't agree with "hidden" re: the state of git
1114354;1430253150;trinque;but then I've been all through the internals of it
1114355;1430253155;ascii_field;what's in a '.git' ?
1114356;1430253162;ascii_field;and more importantly, wtf should i have to care
1114357;1430253167;trinque;database of hashes and binary wads
1114358;1430253175;trinque;it's just a key value store
1114359;1430253178;ascii_field;and before long folks will want forking/branching
1114360;1430253206;trinque;this is sensible, sometimes work begins on a feature that's later abandoned
1114361;1430253206;ascii_field;and then comes the use of central server, and of ssl
1114362;1430253207;trinque;or postponed
1114363;1430253210;trinque;naaah
1114364;1430253219;trinque;git solves this problem, and I can even email you a patch directly out of git
1114365;1430253221;ascii_field;trinque: how is branching not hidden state ?
1114366;1430253233;trinque;explain to me what is hidden
1114367;1430253239;trinque;that it is a binary db?
1114368;1430253239;ascii_field;i can't pipe a branched repo to a line printer
1114369;1430253244;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113879 << and younger
1114370;1430253244;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 16:23:44; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu is basically a better read, less geographically restricted, and paler Qadaffi
1114371;1430253257;davout;if darcs is able to output clearsigned unix patches i really don't see a reason not to use it, we can still review small individual units of work, and ascii_field's patches integrate gracefully
1114372;1430253274;ascii_field;use it, so long as i don't have to know anything about it
1114373;1430253277;trinque;to the extent that we do it right ascii_field should not have to care
1114374;1430253279;trinque;yes
1114375;1430253285;mircea_popescu;in other news, noiw im getting shit like Host: H\x92_\x02 in the logs.
1114376;1430253297;mircea_popescu;can't possibly be a problem rite ?
1114377;1430253329;ascii_field;trinque: and if any of you produce a 100kB patch, and i barf on general principle and refuse to have anything more to do with project, don't say i didn't warn that vcs is harmful.
1114378;1430253339;davout;trinque: "to the extent that we do it right ascii_field should not have to care" <<< that should be the criteria
1114379;1430253355;ascii_field;for the record, i use all kinds of odd tools internally
1114380;1430253378;ascii_field;but would never expect other folks to take that kind of radiation damage
1114381;1430253407;davout;ascii_field: that's what's being said, it's a good tool if ascii_field doesn't know about it :D
1114382;1430253414;ascii_field;aha.
1114383;1430253419;trinque;I agree
1114384;1430253471;ascii_field;when i suddenly am expected to care what's in some xml turd, or expose a box to the net just to fetch changes, or similar atrocities - i reach for barf bag
1114385;1430253490;trinque;I promise to barf myself if XML creeps in
1114386;1430253505;davout;ascii_field: i have some "Air France" branded ones if you're into sophisticated barfing
1114387;1430253517;trinque;!up ascii_field
1114388;1430253522;ascii_field;davout: i took an 'aerolinas argentinas' bag home
1114389;1430253528;ascii_field;ty trinque
1114390;1430253538;mircea_popescu;"expose a box to the net just to fetch changes" << what, you want it to divine the changes ?
1114391;1430253553;ascii_field;nah removable storage
1114392;1430253779;mod6;<+ascii_field> ... it is run by ben_vulpes and mod6. who appear to agree with my position here. << yup.
1114393;1430254073;trinque;ascii_field: if there were even something which made the relationships between patches data, I would be satisfied.
1114394;1430254085;trinque;that's really *all* I want
1114395;1430254091;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> and the only solution, at this point, is neutron bomb << Better make sure your z-weighted sheilding is completely cobalt free...
1114396;1430254095;trinque;ok, this is how I get to the point where I can work on feature X
1114397;1430254100;trinque;this is how I build out to current release
1114398;1430254108;trinque;the mailing list is a shitty version of this
1114399;1430254125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.0003015 = 9.437 BTC [+] {2} 
1114400;1430254152;trinque;seems like an ID of a patch would obviously be some hash of it
1114401;1430254158;trinque;so then just a tree of IDs
1114402;1430254269;trinque;to synthesize one point from that pile, I want the computer to strongly enforce relationships for me, not to mindlessly build because I'm too lazy
1114403;1430254425;jurov;trinque, it uses SHA1 as ID
1114404;1430254431;trinque;what does
1114405;1430254439;trinque;git, yeah
1114406;1430254444;trinque;this is a hypothetical
1114407;1430254451;mod6;the mailing list
1114408;1430254453;trinque;ah ok
1114409;1430254457;jurov;no, btc-dev mailinglist it even renames the recognized signed attachemnts so
1114410;1430254499;trinque;so where's the tree of hashes that tells me what builds towards the release
1114411;1430254501;trinque;some email somewhere
1114412;1430254548;trinque;structured data is pretty cool.
1114413;1430254568;jurov;if you can propose some format for this accepted by stakeholder like alf, you're welcome
1114414;1430254578;jurov;it's shell scripts atm
1114415;1430254588;trinque;just thinking through it; I have no need to change nor authority to change a process that works for them
1114416;1430254605;ascii_field;i'd be open to a purely gnumake-based thing instead of the sh
1114417;1430255295;cazalla;so Warrick County got back to me regarding the ransomware (in comic sans no less)
1114418;1430255388;cazalla;qntra/trilema down here so can't update :\
1114419;1430255489;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Qntra was up for me until you said that, Wonder what MP is coding or building nao...
1114420;1430255591;jurov;adding moar exploits to apache
1114421;1430255675;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113823 <<< but the grocer isn't engaged in things similar to the mafioso such as robbing other businesses, so i don't see how the analogy fits.. if ya gonna throw rocks, steal beauty products and impede mr fireman's ability to put out fires by cutting hoses, why not open up on them too?
1114422;1430255675;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 13:51:08; mircea_popescu: what's next, italian gangster and italian greengrocer = "italians" ?
1114423;1430255764;jurov;the greengrocer prolly caused mass development of explosive gases
1114424;1430256014;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113919 << and what is then your remaining incentive to realise any future income ?
1114425;1430256014;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 16:33:22; williamdunne: i.e I sell 40% of all my future income for xx btc today
1114426;1430256037;mircea_popescu;this was kinda popular with "artists" thinking themsleves above prostitution on myfreecams and etsy.
1114427;1430256039;mircea_popescu;it never took off.
1114428;1430256053;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Getting to keep the other 60%
1114429;1430256064;mircea_popescu;unless you pull a bugsy and sell 500%
1114430;1430256077;williamdunne;Sure. That can be prevented though
1114431;1430256112;mircea_popescu;o it can ?
1114432;1430256131;williamdunne;That exact problem could exist with regular stocks. Whats the incentive for Exxon to keep generating revenue? Start up, sell out, cash out, bro down
1114433;1430256154;williamdunne;Yeah, don't let them sell 500% of their income
1114434;1430256204;trinque;who doesn't let them
1114435;1430256232;williamdunne;The operator, its not like they're selling 40% of £40,000/year, they're selling 40% of whatever they make, with no guarantees of said figure
1114436;1430256275;trinque;why invest in workers when you can invest in the businesses that own them?
1114437;1430256308;mike_c;this HYIP sounds awesome.  put me down for 500% of it.
1114438;1430256336;williamdunne;trinque: Because people live on a different timeperiod to the company in many cases
1114439;1430256344;williamdunne;*are alive for
1114440;1430256354;trinque;eh that's just shitty businesses
1114441;1430256376;williamdunne;if(percentage > 100)
1114442;1430256376;williamdunne;    return "fuck off"
1114443;1430256389;mircea_popescu;...
1114444;1430256396;mike_c;s/100/0/
1114445;1430256429;mircea_popescu;im not sure you understand the difference between natural and constructive persons
1114446;1430256436;jurov;why can't you just get normal loan?
1114447;1430256437;mircea_popescu;but let's indulge : exxon can't smoke fucking dope.
1114448;1430256453;mircea_popescu;EVERY human looking to sell his future is into smoking dope.
1114449;1430256469;williamdunne;And thats part of the risk
1114450;1430256483;williamdunne;jurov: Maybe you can, this is an alternative.
1114451;1430256495;trinque;no that's it; the more you're willing to sell your future the higher risk "investment" you are
1114452;1430256498;trinque;williamdunne: ^
1114453;1430256564;williamdunne;Indeed, I'm not talking bout some sort of service where 100 people deposit money and then a "money manager" decides who to invest in
1114454;1430256636;williamdunne;The entire point is its meant to be risky as shit
1114455;1430256655;mike_c;mircea_popescu: you could install nginx and not install varnish.  it will cache shit quite nicely
1114456;1430256669;williamdunne;Its not really a unique idea though, been done twice as far as I can tell. Both started in US but had obvious legal issues come up
1114457;1430256724;jurov;oh it has been done many millions of times
1114458;1430256763;jurov;like, parents invest into you nd then expect to get a "reasonable" part of your income
1114459;1430256763;williamdunne;I mean the platform, not the general idea of selling future income
1114460;1430256776;williamdunne;ofc thats been done a shit ton
1114461;1430256795;williamdunne;Governments constantly do it without consent
1114462;1430256816;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah, im a day wasted in here. i could waste another one. sure.
1114463;1430256821;mircea_popescu;excelt niginx also won't work.
1114464;1430256824;mircea_popescu;for reasons.
1114465;1430256855;jurov;williamdunne: so why do you want to undergo this, when most everyone hates it?
1114466;1430256891;williamdunne;jurov: Did quite well on the other platforms until the SEC stepped in, not particularly large time investment needs to be made.
1114467;1430256899;trinque;jurov: sounds like someone who doesn't deserve a loan begging with "no dude, I'll like, do anything, man!"
1114468;1430256923;trinque;the recourse for that person is to go find someone for whom to tape boxes shut
1114469;1430256946;trinque;not to be handed more money to waste
1114470;1430256953;jurov;williamdunne: that's not answer to "why"
1114471;1430256981;trinque;aside from the foolishness of this from an investment perspective, it's not helping the guy any
1114472;1430257032;jurov;trinque: ikr. but want to see the thought process why it supposedly beats other alternatives
1114473;1430257034;trinque;on the other side sure, if you've got goons (read: massive govt) to beat payment out of people, loan sharking is great
1114474;1430257035;williamdunne;jurov: "Because potentially it could make money, its an excuse to learn more tech, and there is little risk in terms of what I could lose by doing it"
1114475;1430257090;mircea_popescu;ok, so the sad story of my wasted day : first, instlaled varnish in 10 minutes, but then spent 4 hours trying to get ip forwarding.
1114476;1430257115;mircea_popescu;finally found a way to do that. EXCEPT it injects random data at random intervals, i end up with "ips" like "8�b]"
1114477;1430257122;mircea_popescu;and well... spend another 4 hours debugging that.
1114478;1430257132;mircea_popescu;lesson learned ... do not try to actually use software.
1114479;1430257135;mircea_popescu;it's not usable.
1114480;1430257136;mike_c;nginx always works.  I have never been disappointed in it.  Recommending shit to people is always a -EV process, but..
1114481;1430257193;mircea_popescu;it would have been cheaper to buy a server. if i were to bill 8 hours it'd be enough to buy a fucking rack, and that's for doing stuff i actually like doing.
1114482;1430257265;jurov;haven't i wrote somewhere that every productive day ends with patch or bugreport?
1114483;1430257274;mircea_popescu;so you have.
1114484;1430257285;jurov;and i don't enjoy that, too. but such is life.
1114485;1430257329;mircea_popescu;pretty ridiculous life.
1114486;1430257334;jurov;https://github.com/haiwen/seafile/issues/1119 << twas today
1114487;1430257335;assbot;Self-compiled Seafile fileserver does not respond, web downloads hang · Issue #1119 · haiwen/seafile · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73jKJ )
1114488;1430257394;williamdunne;http://web.archive.org/web/20130426124257/https://www.upstart.com/how_it_works_backers
1114489;1430257395;assbot;How it Works - Backers ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73oOx )
1114490;1430257395;williamdunne;http://web.archive.org/web/20131204165401/https://www.upstart.com/
1114491;1430257397;assbot;Upstart ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73oOB )
1114492;1430257397;williamdunne;trinque: reasons they gave
1114493;1430257410;jurov;there's this saying about inspiration and perspiration, you know
1114494;1430257487;mircea_popescu;jurov dude, come on, it's ridiculous. imagine if cars worked like software works.
1114495;1430257504;jurov;oh, they did, until very recently
1114496;1430257511;mircea_popescu;"sorry honey, can't come to dinner, i'm apparently unable to find the entry to the brooklyn bridge today"
1114497;1430257526;mircea_popescu;"yes i know five billion people found it before. and yet..."
1114498;1430257559;mircea_popescu;"musta been a different car - and - gasoline combination i guess. going back (on foot) to gas station trying some more combos"
1114499;1430257593;trinque;the changes which resulted in the present state should be data
1114500;1430257598;trinque;this in any computer system worth a shit
1114501;1430257601;mircea_popescu;and cars NEVER worked like software works, outside of a laurel and ollie short
1114502;1430257669;trinque;unix's "everything is a file" is a poor man's "everything is data"
1114503;1430257689;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWJ5pHiLVZM
1114504;1430257690;assbot;Laurel and Hardy....Imagine what could happen if IKEA started selling cars.... - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73RAj )
1114505;1430257727;trinque;lol
1114506;1430257732;jurov;i have 14y old daewoo, we can split "never ever" hairs but the end result and frustration is the same
1114507;1430257768;mircea_popescu;see jurov, the thing is... i have the OPTION to not own obscure exotic cars whose maker went out of business shortly after starting because he sucked.
1114508;1430257774;mircea_popescu;i can buy a fucking bmw.
1114509;1430257791;mircea_popescu;there ISNT a bmw here. it's varnish or nginx. that's it. not like i'm running unheard-of-software
1114510;1430257795;jurov;and you can not have trilema running on php
1114511;1430257802;mircea_popescu;like sealion or w/e
1114512;1430257808;jurov;redo in in CL
1114513;1430257811;mircea_popescu;what'd i run it on ?
1114514;1430257812;mircea_popescu;lmao ok.
1114515;1430257827;mircea_popescu;and where do i find a cl server ?
1114516;1430257848;jurov;you have your own dc last i remember
1114517;1430257852;trinque;this is why I'd like a small board for the embedded space that does very little, and runs a lisp
1114518;1430257856;mircea_popescu;dude. for the love of budha
1114519;1430257857;trinque;needs a starting point
1114520;1430257858;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1114521;1430257884;*;ascii_field is still wondering how mircea_popescu can use that cthonian horror, cpanel
1114522;1430257888;mircea_popescu;the fact that i own a gas station does in no way alleviate the problem that laurel&hardy cars.
1114523;1430257890;trinque;taking on the whole goddamn space is an enormous challenge to say the least
1114524;1430257898;mircea_popescu;ascii_field works way better than this shit, ftr.
1114525;1430257903;ascii_field;ahahahahaha
1114526;1430257907;mircea_popescu;it.does.
1114527;1430257912;ascii_field;ok i'll bite. how do i remove apache and get nginx
1114528;1430257916;ascii_field;all traces of apache
1114529;1430257941;mircea_popescu;nginx works atop apache
1114530;1430257950;jurov;what????
1114531;1430257953;ascii_field;wat?!!
1114532;1430257955;mircea_popescu;srsly.
1114533;1430257959;ascii_field;mno.
1114534;1430257966;mircea_popescu;in cpanelworld, yeah it does.
1114535;1430257969;mircea_popescu;it's a proxy for apache.
1114536;1430258005;ascii_field;this feels like using winblows
1114537;1430258008;mircea_popescu;it IS
1114538;1430258070;ascii_field;i was even about to use the apache (all i need is to proxy to my proggy which has own http stack) but then i find that there is no /etc/apache2
1114539;1430258086;ascii_field;and that the motherfucking cpanel thing puts it fuck knows where
1114540;1430258087;jurov;i have everything built as nginx OR apache(never both of them) in extra process, PHP/Perl/Python in extra process(es)
1114541;1430258088;trinque;every bakery should have their own software team because no real scotsman would pay someone else to do that
1114542;1430258100;trinque;the lack of a turnkey solution here is absurd, just a shitty industry
1114543;1430258127;jurov;nothing like mod_php monstrosities
1114544;1430258133;ascii_field;*why* is it not in the standard location ?
1114545;1430258147;ascii_field;what kind of dope had to be taken, to conceive of this ?
1114546;1430258148;trinque;why is the standard location not enforced?
1114547;1430258163;jurov;standard location on debian is /etc/httpd
1114548;1430258165;ascii_field;should be enforced using club with nails
1114549;1430258170;jurov;or it was redhat, dunno
1114550;1430258201;*;trinque will yet have to be persuaded that the relational model does not solve all this
1114551;1430258217;trinque;system state should be a database, if a simple and perhaps even plaintext one
1114552;1430258219;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's called httpd not appache 2 in centos
1114553;1430258222;mircea_popescu;because REASONS
1114554;1430258232;ascii_field;aha
1114555;1430258238;jurov;^yes
1114556;1430258238;mircea_popescu;note it is rhel's fault.
1114557;1430258240;trinque;"hm I didn't like that change I made to the system" << rollback
1114558;1430258242;mircea_popescu;not cpanel's.
1114559;1430258249;trinque;"config file is munged" << schema
1114560;1430258251;trinque;and constriants
1114561;1430258252;ascii_field;and where are 'sites-available' ?
1114562;1430258254;jurov;trunque use btrfs?
1114563;1430258260;trinque;jurov: getting closer yeah
1114564;1430258272;trinque;but it has to know data structure and barf when it's not followed
1114565;1430258361;trinque;it needs a reflection system; I want to interrogate the system about its structure
1114566;1430258376;trinque;I want to be able to declare into that representation of structure new structures
1114567;1430258380;trinque;in the same way I declare data
1114568;1430258398;trinque;we were trying to build this at my last job, and fucked it up entirely with braindead concepts from the web space
1114569;1430258417;trinque;the answer is probably not for example "build all into postgres" as we were doing
1114570;1430258423;jurov;trinque you need omniprescient entity that declares forever usable schema
1114571;1430258431;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but while we're doing the "what dope" thing, why the fuck is apache "apache2"
1114572;1430258444;ascii_field;because there was a mega-rewrite once
1114573;1430258448;mircea_popescu;so ?
1114574;1430258498;trinque;jurov: explain?
1114575;1430258512;mircea_popescu;trinque hardest problem in cs this, dude. naming.
1114576;1430258529;trinque;yeah, so you need to be able to change structure easily
1114577;1430258530;mircea_popescu;take the dewey decimal system.
1114578;1430258531;jurov;every schema-based system ended up with bags of backward compatibility
1114579;1430258536;trinque;views and actions against the reflection layer
1114580;1430258538;williamdunne;Guessing some people wanted to kick it old school and not move to the re-write, and there was enough of them that apache updated got called apache2, but thats just a guess
1114581;1430258540;mircea_popescu;it requires a hard guarantee you will never want more than 10 categories at any level.
1114582;1430258541;trinque;jurov: yeah views
1114583;1430258556;mircea_popescu;williamdunne it's exactly what it iwas, and exactly why i asked him the question.
1114584;1430258561;trinque;relational algebra is the best model I'm aware of for deriving all needed representations of data
1114585;1430258593;trinque;and you can easily with something that isn't braindead SQL imagine a model where the canonical representation can be changed, and new views derived from the operation taken to produce the new representation
1114586;1430258599;jurov;wtf views?
1114587;1430258602;trinque;so operations against the system must also be data
1114588;1430258625;jurov;how will views solve that in version 1 you have a name=value and in version 2 you need list?
1114589;1430258640;trinque;jurov: I cannot see how it *doesn't* solve that
1114590;1430258642;mircea_popescu;he makes them all a tree.
1114591;1430258645;mircea_popescu;including the leaves.
1114592;1430258647;mircea_popescu;of the leaves.
1114593;1430258654;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> it requires a hard guarantee you will never want more than 10 categories at any level. << No, only on the top level... After that you wade into the horror of Cutter numbers
1114594;1430258657;mircea_popescu;only needs infinity diskspace to declare a constant.
1114595;1430258661;trinque;no
1114596;1430258662;*;ascii_field is blithering at the sheer amount of litter that cpanel leaves in every conceivable aspect of system
1114597;1430258673;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo cutter numbers are a kludgy bolt-on!
1114598;1430258676;trinque;postgresql can easily produce an array from columns in rows
1114599;1430258685;trinque;that is an aggregation
1114600;1430258687;ascii_field;there's perhaps half a meg of generated 'do not edit!!!111!!!' crapolade in every config
1114601;1430258694;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Kludgy and bolted on to original spec
1114602;1430258698;mircea_popescu;ascii_field hey, it's data!
1114603;1430258700;trinque;I can also easily produce a new table which materializes the output of some view
1114604;1430258711;trinque;I can then delete the base table and call the new materialized table the canonical data
1114605;1430258715;trinque;and this ad nauseum
1114606;1430258732;mircea_popescu;so what's keeping you!!eleven
1114607;1430258737;trinque;the point here is missed; I'm probably not articulating it well
1114608;1430258758;mircea_popescu;speaking of : mind making deedbot- autovoice yet ?
1114609;1430258817;trinque;sure, last weekend was eaten by work, but I'll try to work it in soon
1114610;1430258821;trinque;couple days or so
1114611;1430258836;mircea_popescu;coo
1114612;1430258873;trinque;mircea_popescu: what I was referring to above is like the system catalog in SQL
1114613;1430258910;trinque;lets say you alter a table with some operation; were that operation data, you could programmatically alter views against the old version to be compatible with the new, to some extent
1114614;1430258916;trinque;obviously if information was lost in the change, you cannot
1114615;1430258929;trinque;but if the AST of the queries is represented as data you can find that out by joining it against the schema
1114616;1430258965;jurov;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinFS (^^)
1114617;1430258967;assbot;WinFS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1J769PP )
1114618;1430258969;mircea_popescu;you're slowly rebuidling hoon here or w/e it was called.
1114619;1430259050;jurov;also, KDE folks tried it in non-relational way, something kinda works but they managed to annoy everyone in the process
1114620;1430259066;jurov;go learn from these mistakes
1114621;1430259109;trinque;the mistake was probably "non-relational
1114622;1430259111;trinque;"
1114623;1430259125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4877 @ 0.00030165 = 1.4711 BTC [+]
1114624;1430259150;trinque;relational algebra carries the stink of SQL, and this is unfortunate
1114625;1430259157;jurov;and what was WinFS mistake?
1114626;1430259164;trinque;I have to run, dunno what hoon is but I'll see if I can find info on it
1114627;1430259168;jurov;enlighten us
1114628;1430259176;trinque;jurov: calm down buddy; I don't have the one true way
1114629;1430259187;trinque;dunno enough about winfs to say
1114630;1430259538;*;Adlai readlogs
1114631;1430259627;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114331 ACHTUNG SHITGNOME
1114632;1430259627;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 20:28:40; williamdunne: Maybe there is a good reason why this would not work, but could you not just generate an XML file that contains the names of all the files, a hash of each file, and then sign the XML? Could be automated fairly easily and would work on top of existing solutions
1114633;1430259654;williamdunne;huh? Already explained why that was retarded
1114634;1430259678;mircea_popescu;he parses.
1114635;1430259680;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1114636;1430259854;Adlai;tl;r: /me needs to write a thingy that munges btc-dev into a darcs repo, jurov needs to add a general-dev mailing list so mircea_popescu can send his apache paches, and we'll all live ethanolly ever after. ssavvy?
1114637;1430259896;mircea_popescu;it wasn't going to be a patch
1114638;1430259904;Adlai;how so?
1114639;1430259905;mircea_popescu;it was going to be a signed version of 448 lines of code
1114640;1430259910;mircea_popescu;some other dude wrote.
1114641;1430259918;Adlai;ok, you sign some other dude's patch. same diff
1114642;1430260006;jurov;he can publish it on trilema, too. don't see how bag of disparate patches would be useful
1114643;1430260020;Adlai;because infrastructure!
1114644;1430260061;mircea_popescu;jurov i don't see it either, but! gotta ask.
1114645;1430260079;mircea_popescu;this is a problem which will have to be solved, eventually. maybe not by us, maybe not in our lifetimes,
1114646;1430260084;mircea_popescu;but once women in tech or something.
1114647;1430260114;*;Adlai actually spend the alcohols chatting with a dark-skinned lady who was 100% coherent despite also partaking of alcohols
1114648;1430260123;Adlai;so, there is hope for the oppressed-in-tech yet!
1114649;1430260174;Adlai;the typos resurface thus zzz
1114650;1430260186;jurov;you mean, she exhibits ballmer peak, thus suitable for tech?
1114651;1430260220;Adlai;no she exhibited sentient concern for third party (my dog) while verifiably drunk
1114652;1430260292;Adlai;she was all "this is not a good place for a dog" and i was all "bullshit my dog loves this bar because it's EV patron loves dogs and my dog is lovable"
1114653;1430260307;jurov;and when she was sober, there was no dog concern?
1114654;1430260318;*;Adlai has never met her sober, he's home alone now, aside from dog
1114655;1430260348;trinque;obvious "brought home the wrong bitch" joke there
1114656;1430260350;trinque;:D
1114657;1430260356;Adlai;stfu my dog is a mutt
1114658;1430260370;Adlai;!down trinque
1114659;1430260375;Adlai;shit
1114660;1430260375;trinque;hawhaw
1114661;1430260380;Adlai;!down Adlai
1114662;1430260382;jurov;trinque you were supposed to run, not concern yourself with bitches
1114663;1430260392;trinque;already back
1114664;1430260398;trinque;what is hoon
1114665;1430260421;trinque;ah the urbit thing
1114666;1430260433;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: how -the fuck- does one run a python www proggy on cpanel box
1114667;1430260453;ascii_field;or for that matter anything other than pgp
1114668;1430260454;mircea_popescu;you got ssh dontcha ?
1114669;1430260455;ascii_field;php
1114670;1430260479;mircea_popescu;!up Adlai
1114671;1430260486;Adlai;fu mircea_popescu
1114672;1430260489;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: apache won't play along with python without a plugin 'mod_wsgi' which does not appear to exist in cpanel
1114673;1430260493;mircea_popescu;!down Adlai
1114674;1430260509;mircea_popescu;ascii_field your pain makes me feel better.
1114675;1430260512;ascii_field;and cannot be retrofitted without being clobbered by cpanel the next time it is used to make any alteration
1114676;1430260537;*;Adlai victorious
1114677;1430260552;mircea_popescu;ascii_field : apxs -i -c -n mod_wsgi.so mod_wsgi.c
1114678;1430260556;Adlai;(it took a couple tries)
1114679;1430260563;mircea_popescu;then insert the resulting so into the apache config prepended lists
1114680;1430260565;mircea_popescu;and you'll be fine
1114681;1430260583;*;Adlai still doesn't understand why people are fuxing with patchy crap
1114682;1430260591;Adlai;why not run a real webserver?
1114683;1430260591;ascii_field;gcc: mod_wsgi.c: No such file or directory
1114684;1430260601;mircea_popescu;ascii_field obviously you have to first download the mod.
1114685;1430260606;ascii_field;goddamnit
1114686;1430260615;mircea_popescu;FROM A RANDOM SOURCE ON THE WEB
1114687;1430260621;mircea_popescu;don't lose my box nao!
1114688;1430260651;ascii_field;betcha it was 'lost' as soon as i logged into cpanel
1114689;1430260672;Adlai;or once you installed it
1114690;1430260674;mircea_popescu;you logged into cpanel as root ?!@
1114691;1430260675;ascii_field;(i never had a key fingerprint for it)
1114692;1430260683;Adlai;or did the install not involve running anything?
1114693;1430260700;ascii_field;this box is running ten thousand tonnes of extraneous cpanelism
1114694;1430260714;Adlai;logged into cpanel as root ?!@ << asif you need root to fandango
1114695;1430260784;*;Adlai channels vonnegut: "To avoid root, just wait for ree boot"
1114696;1430260851;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the apxs ... thing fails with wsgi_python.h:24:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory and half a meg of other crapolade
1114697;1430260859;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: please consider supplying a normal machine.
1114698;1430260870;jurov;btw, if a bit lucky, mod_fastcgi was shipped and it's more widely supported than wsgi
1114699;1430260876;ascii_field;because this borders on the utterly ridiculous.
1114700;1430260884;Adlai;"wsgi" sounds awfully like "usagi" when said out loud
1114701;1430260904;Adlai;aw shucks
1114702;1430260928;ben_vulpes;<trinque> not committing to it while I can't guarantee I'll execute << not worth it imho, leave it for someone like williamdunne
1114703;1430260960;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so it has no python ios the idea ?
1114704;1430260993;ben_vulpes;<mats> overengineered, cvs is often good enough << haha nice try winbro
1114705;1430261031;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: eh?
1114706;1430261046;williamdunne;!s  not committing to it while I can't guarantee I'll execute
1114707;1430261047;assbot;1 results for 'not committing to it while I can't guarantee I'll execute' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=+not+committing+to+it+while+I+can%27t+guarantee+I%27ll+execute
1114708;1430261137;jurov;benjy just needed to vent some steam
1114709;1430261199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00030489 = 3.4757 BTC [+]
1114710;1430261205;williamdunne;"Adlai envisions 'wothub' as a content-addressable signed patchstore" well its doable, but I only have 'x' amount of time
1114711;1430261223;trinque;the idea needs further development before anyone executes
1114712;1430261252;trinque;may end up comprised entirely of local tooling
1114713;1430261321;williamdunne;Yeah, I've not done much when it comes to native applications so anything client-side isn't really my boat
1114714;1430261331;williamdunne;Don't even know my way around gcc properly
1114715;1430261341;jurov;i don't get it. "by content addressable" i understand somthing like putting sha1 sum in the URL
1114716;1430261363;jurov;and what is "patchstore" supposed to to what "store" is not
1114717;1430261406;*;williamdunne still doesn't understand whats wrong with git and pgp sigs
1114718;1430261461;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: git makes it easy to pretend to work on a codebase by reindenting things
1114719;1430261479;ben_vulpes;makes large merges too easy, is at least one of asciilifeform's objections
1114720;1430261495;ben_vulpes;makes it less likely for people to review changes.
1114721;1430261515;jurov;and i think other was that git stores them in opaque database. you cannot go to .git and start reading
1114722;1430261524;trinque;the earlier thread I think well represented the lay of the land
1114723;1430261540;trinque;having the canonical representation plaintext and readable I think is a fine thing
1114724;1430261547;mats;ben_vulpes: windows for fun and profit
1114725;1430261555;trinque;having history machine readable and enforced is I think also a fine thing
1114726;1430261566;trinque;from there, perhaps no existing tool satisfies both
1114727;1430261626;jurov;i don't remember anything about enforcing history
1114728;1430261628;trinque;git may be several conflated problems
1114729;1430261635;trinque;jurov: I remember saying it.
1114730;1430261638;trinque;and it's in teh logs
1114731;1430261640;ben_vulpes;<jurov> benjy just needed to vent some steam << naw i just wanted to restart an ancient thread
1114732;1430261659;jurov;oh i GC'd you
1114733;1430261671;ben_vulpes;wat?
1114734;1430261686;jurov;not you, trinque
1114735;1430261808;jurov;anyway, primary is there's verifiable autorship and readable content of patches, plus clear repeatable way to combine the patches
1114736;1430261810;williamdunne;One of those is a social issue, the other is solved by not accepting pulls from dickheads, no?
1114737;1430261839;trinque;jurov: indeed, that last bit is what I've been harping on
1114738;1430261863;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: what is a pull?
1114739;1430261897;jurov;triuque yes, but it does not necessarily equal to managing history
1114740;1430261906;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: I don't know if this exists outside of GitHub (I rather assumed it does) but when you fork a repo so its your own version of it, you make changes to your own copy and then request that your changes are merged into the core repo
1114741;1430261915;trinque;pull requests are github
1114742;1430261918;mircea_popescu;<trinque> the idea needs further development before anyone executes << he has a point, and while attempted executions would prlly be useful iterations, it IS a timesink.
1114743;1430261919;ben_vulpes;no, that's the point i wish to make. you're conflating github with git.
1114744;1430261959;ben_vulpes;and i'm not even an expert on the finer points of the vcexen in the wild.
1114745;1430261968;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i suspect in this sense git may be TOO easy to use. at least in some aspects.
1114746;1430261973;williamdunne;Ah, my bad.
1114747;1430261983;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: dude i guarantee you that git is too easy to use.
1114748;1430261999;ben_vulpes;not only for mission-critical shit like therealbitcoin, but even my own work.
1114749;1430262006;Adlai;jurov: actually, you can go to .git and start reading to a much larger degree than you can do so for .darcs; git provides a provably-attributable signed directory (ie, signed file hierarchy), whereas darcs is a signed diff from... whatever th efuck came before it
1114750;1430262013;jurov;yes, linus t. pulls changes from email, not using github
1114751;1430262024;trinque;this idea that the tool controls the user's behavior is absurd
1114752;1430262031;trinque;maybe when dealing with children
1114753;1430262036;trinque;this is a distinct point from advocating git
1114754;1430262041;trinque;the tool does not drive the fucking user
1114755;1430262055;williamdunne;Git has pull requests in this version: http://git-scm.com/
1114756;1430262055;assbot;Git ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBhgr1 )
1114757;1430262073;mircea_popescu;<trinque> the tool does not drive the fucking user << o really.
1114758;1430262077;mircea_popescu;what is this idealism!
1114759;1430262120;Adlai;williamdunne: the problem is that git doesn't provide human-verifiable provenance
1114760;1430262133;Adlai;(whereas darcs does, but it has its own clusterfuck of troubles)
1114761;1430262164;trinque;mircea_popescu: when holding my gun should I wear an arm brace such that I am prevented from blowing my brains out?
1114762;1430262183;mircea_popescu;no, but that's not the angle being discussed.
1114763;1430262197;mircea_popescu;the angle being discussed is : give a man a hammer, suddenly he's looking for nails.
1114764;1430262227;mircea_popescu;tools drive behaviour. in spades.
1114765;1430262233;trinque;that is a fair point
1114766;1430262321;trinque;but should a hammer be called for, one limited such that it cannot be weaponized will also be gimped for hammering
1114767;1430262325;*;Adlai concludes that he should a) write the btc-dev-darcs-wrapper, and b) keep it to himself, so other people have to write their own
1114768;1430262344;trinque;^ I don't like that for the record; let every man forge his own AK
1114769;1430262354;trinque;surely there's a balance to be struck.
1114770;1430262357;Adlai;AKs are fucking simple
1114771;1430262366;trinque;alright, you forge one while I'm loading
1114772;1430262384;Adlai;no offense but have you ever fired an assault rifle?
1114773;1430262395;mircea_popescu;Adlai how about b) and make it good enough so its effect upon the world is to make more people of the like adlai can stand
1114774;1430262400;mircea_popescu;as opposed to more idiots.
1114775;1430262441;Adlai;mircea_popescu: aiui, anything that does not consist of 'cat | /dev/eip' is not good enough
1114776;1430262443;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as tools that make people smarter.
1114777;1430262444;trinque;Adlai | no offense but have you ever fired an assault rifle? << this is in no way relevant to what I said
1114778;1430262449;mircea_popescu;and there are tools that make people dumber.
1114779;1430262467;trinque;and an automatic no, rifles yes
1114780;1430262480;Adlai;rifles are for hunters. war is not a hunt, it is war
1114781;1430262495;mircea_popescu;isn't man the best game ?
1114782;1430262501;Adlai;'long pig'
1114783;1430262502;trinque;obviously, and so you're going to have every soldier cast the metal for his own gun?
1114784;1430262513;trinque;if you have time for that, great; must not be much of a war
1114785;1430262517;mircea_popescu;trinque you know he was being facetious right ?
1114786;1430262537;jurov;since git nor darcs will solve the conflicts... ou propose using the AKs?
1114787;1430262541;jurov;*you
1114788;1430262543;trinque;mircea_popescu: must've missed that
1114789;1430262562;*;Adlai sleeψ
1114790;1430262574;trinque;Adlai: cya
1114791;1430262616;Adlai;nite ite
1114792;1430262682;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114102 << expenditure is not, by virtue of that alone, "an investment".
1114793;1430262682;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 18:43:52; williamdunne: davout: If I believe paymium will possibly fail, but that you're going do something great in the future, I would be better off investing in you than paymium
1114794;1430262683;scoopbot_revived;News! The sad story of me sniffing varnish URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-sad-story-of-me-sniffing-varnish/
1114795;1430262683;assbot;The sad story of me sniffing varnish on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBjmaC )
1114796;1430262708;mircea_popescu;all the derpy parents that "invest" in their children are making a stylistic choice of words, nothing more. it's a waste not an investment.
1114797;1430262789;williamdunne;At what point does expenditure become investment?
1114798;1430262796;ben_vulpes;never.
1114799;1430262803;ben_vulpes;investment is predicated on a return.
1114800;1430262811;mircea_popescu;ima have to dig up that ancient article somehow...
1114801;1430262828;williamdunne;If you expect expenditure to result in a return?
1114802;1430262837;mircea_popescu;rationally ?
1114803;1430262864;ben_vulpes;this return cannot be "happiness" or any such.
1114804;1430262873;mircea_popescu;does your expenditure CAUSE the return ? is it merely coincidental with the return ? is it merely halucinatorily related ?
1114805;1430262878;williamdunne;I mean monetary
1114806;1430262882;ben_vulpes;much as the girlies would like to "invest in their quality of life", such is just purchasing a big of hedonism.
1114807;1430262882;mircea_popescu;oh i c.
1114808;1430262895;trinque;ben_vulpes: oh have I had that conversation
1114809;1430262907;ben_vulpes;heh who with a girl hasn't?
1114810;1430262913;*;mircea_popescu has been blessfully spared of such nonsense.
1114811;1430262916;ben_vulpes;except for those guys whose lunch we eat and girls we fuck
1114812;1430262921;*;ben_vulpes rolls eyes
1114813;1430262924;ben_vulpes;and of course mircea_popescu
1114814;1430262929;BingoBoingo;<trinque> obviously, and so you're going to have every soldier cast the metal for his own gun? << Unreasonabru, but Officers outfitting their soldiers to the Officer's chosen spec has ample historical precedent
1114815;1430262944;trinque;much more reasonable
1114816;1430263019;mircea_popescu;williamdunne let's go through this, it will be instructive. so, case III, halucinatorily related.
1114817;1430263048;mircea_popescu;guy pays fortune teller for good stuff in the future. good stuff happens in the future.
1114818;1430263074;mircea_popescu;the relation between the "investment" and the "return" is purely hallucinated.
1114819;1430263094;mircea_popescu;case II : coincidental. guy buys lottery ticket. someone wins the lottery.
1114820;1430263111;williamdunne;someone, or guy?
1114821;1430263117;mircea_popescu;while it's true that the somebody who wins might even be the guy, the fact remains that someone'd win whether the guy bought or didn't buy ticket.
1114822;1430263137;mircea_popescu;same thing with "investing in children". sure, you send schmuck to college, and someone 20 years later is going to be well educated.
1114823;1430263142;mircea_popescu;maybe your schmuck. maybe not.
1114824;1430263179;mircea_popescu;case I : causal. this satisfies both implication : with investment there NECESSARILY exists return ; without investment there NECESSARILY doesn't exist return.
1114825;1430263198;mircea_popescu;like, guy going to homestead in 1800s utah. if he goes, there's going to be his homestead. if he doesn't go... there isn't going to be.
1114826;1430263203;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> what'd i run it on ? << it's not actually such a bad idea to render the whole thing as flat files and do something cleverish w/comments
1114827;1430263216;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes more 90% ism!
1114828;1430263241;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> in cpanelworld, yeah it does. << haha what is this madness
1114829;1430263259;mircea_popescu;i think asciilifeform had an aneurism meanwhile
1114830;1430263317;williamdunne;If I invest in college, and the outcome is a law degree, with which I become a lawyer, how is that not investment?
1114831;1430263317;williamdunne;I understand with a gender studies degree though..
1114832;1430263331;mircea_popescu;if you pay for your own degree, it is.
1114833;1430263335;mircea_popescu;if your dad pays... eh.
1114834;1430263386;williamdunne;What if someone else pays for a degree and in return they get a % of my salary?
1114835;1430263416;mircea_popescu;you being their slave ?
1114836;1430263437;williamdunne;Their slave? Its a mutual agreement from the beginning
1114837;1430263453;mircea_popescu;yes, yes. but is it a mutual agreement of that kind, where you're teh slavegirl.
1114838;1430263509;williamdunne;If you acknowledge La Serenissima are you its slavegirl because you pay 0.1%?
1114839;1430263512;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114179 << ssh being, of course, openssl. you read the earlier link re "why no ssl" ?
1114840;1430263512;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 19:57:06; Pierre_Rochard: it’s ssh friendly, send your ssh pubkey signed with your gpg key
1114841;1430263527;mircea_popescu;williamdunne no, but i also don't ask it to sent me to college.
1114842;1430263580;williamdunne;Seems like a pretty rough line, either way its a choice, and the outcome is losing future income in return for something
1114843;1430263596;mircea_popescu;you're misrepresenting dynamic equilibrium as static.
1114844;1430263624;mircea_popescu;essentially, you(before the deal) and you(after the deal) are different and irreconciliably so.
1114845;1430263645;williamdunne;Ah okay, I see the difference now
1114846;1430263658;mircea_popescu;while before the deal your incentive might have been to realise future income,
1114847;1430263668;mircea_popescu;after the deal your incentive is to sell more future income for its present value.
1114848;1430263681;mircea_popescu;as they say, "nothing ruins a start-up quite like a bad money source early on"
1114849;1430263683;mircea_popescu;this is that.
1114850;1430263709;mircea_popescu;it's kinda how america ruined itself, too, ironically enough.
1114851;1430263802;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114217 << for the record, you don't want a single head. you want a number of heads, and measurably stake-able.
1114852;1430263802;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 20:04:04; Adlai: so, it's less convenient for signing a patch relative to an upstream repo; but is exactly what you want if you just want to have a single head to put on a stake when heardbleed 2.0 gets uncovered
1114853;1430264074;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114839 < not necessarily: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/30/1822209/openssh-no-longer-has-to-depend-on-openssl
1114854;1430264074;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 23:25:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114179 << ssh being, of course, openssl. you read the earlier link re "why no ssl" ?
1114855;1430264076;assbot;OpenSSH No Longer Has To Depend On OpenSSL - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz1dOQ )
1114856;1430264130;mircea_popescu;aha
1114857;1430264161;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Confusing OpenSSH and OpenSSL again.
1114858;1430264191;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114238 << ha!
1114859;1430264191;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 20:10:09; trinque: max commit size and beatings
1114860;1430264241;Pierre_Rochard;BingoBoingo: they really should rebrand… maybe take LibreSSH haha
1114861;1430264269;mircea_popescu;lol
1114862;1430264281;BingoBoingo;Pierre_Rochard: Nah, Theo should have trademarked the word "Open"
1114863;1430264340;Pierre_Rochard;yup, just checked, openbsd came before openssl
1114864;1430264350;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114262 << lawl.
1114865;1430264350;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 20:12:42; davout: williamdunne: everybody fucking knows that
1114866;1430264383;BingoBoingo;They've got an OpenBSD, OpenSMTP, OpenNTP, OpenSSH, They might as well stick OpenSSL with finding a new front and themselves keep LibreSSL for confusion and lulz
1114867;1430264431;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform so it has no python ios the idea << it has python and even, apparently, the headers, but can't see'em
1114868;1430264431;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114271 << nah, that's a misstatement. take the simpler case of poems. you do not need any particular microphone, varnish or anything else to know whether my poem's any good or not.
1114869;1430264431;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 20:14:38; Adlai: really this is all masturbation until we have a by-hand constructible fab
1114870;1430264452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform welcopme to linux world alfie. i hear it's where the smart boys go.
1114871;1430264468;mircea_popescu;and never are heard from again, except for muffled cries in the solitude of the night.
1114872;1430264512;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes i suspect in this sense git may be TOO easy to use << precisely this
1114873;1430264549;asciilifeform;reminds me of an old neighbour of mine, who kept a 'colt 1911' - in his toolbox. with the drills, etc.
1114874;1430264554;asciilifeform;hey, it makes holes, right?
1114875;1430264557;mircea_popescu;and before anyone doubts that there can be such a thing : you COULD fuck a woman with a 3 inch drill bit attached to a percution drill.
1114876;1430264558;asciilifeform;and -so easy-
1114877;1430264559;mircea_popescu;you do not do this.
1114878;1430264571;mircea_popescu;ha!
1114879;1430264651;asciilifeform;<ben_vulpes> heh who with a girl hasn't?  << nor me either
1114880;1430264736;mircea_popescu;this discussion makes me not feel so bad about havin sniffed varnish all day.
1114881;1430264757;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform welcopme to linux world alfie << wtf linux world is this. i must've been living in a parallel one since quitting bsd ('04)
1114882;1430264782;mircea_popescu;yeah. it's called solipsism and it ain't a world!
1114883;1430264794;mircea_popescu;"oh but MY computer works..."
1114884;1430264798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25089 @ 0.00029383 = 7.3719 BTC [-] {2} 
1114885;1430264810;mircea_popescu;"really ? how do i make one ?" "oh..."
1114886;1430264814;asciilifeform;fleet of.
1114887;1430264841;asciilifeform;'how do i make?' 'like this..'
1114888;1430264910;mircea_popescu;i am still awaiting your gentoo canonical build being published / your canonical web hoster being enacted on this or any other box etc.
1114889;1430264918;mircea_popescu;dun let me get in the way of meta-linux, by all means!
1114890;1430265031;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114312 << it'd be nice if something got compiled before i die.
1114891;1430265031;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 20:23:19; trinque: and "speed" of development should not be a value
1114892;1430265083;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/MarkPuente/status/592894321583611907
1114893;1430265085;assbot;This Rollin' 60s  Crips member says he pulled /justin_fenton to safety today during a flare up. http://t.co/UWMIkLCTV5
1114894;1430265317;mircea_popescu;ascii_field: trinque: and if any of you produce a 100kB patch, and i barf on general principle << there is a problem here. the code as it is is pretty long. just a simple "remove most of it" will be in the kbs.
1114895;1430265324;mircea_popescu;nothing but -s in the diff
1114896;1430265359;trinque;yeh, I prefer the hate one's peers rather than arbitrary rules
1114897;1430265359;mircea_popescu;i doubt the magical patch that fixes the 1001 things will fit in 100kb for instance.
1114898;1430265368;trinque;*the hate of
1114899;1430265396;trinque;patches of whatever size make sense, and there's a process by which everyone else can call the patch shit in public
1114900;1430265426;mircea_popescu;trinque merely calling things shit is no golden bullet.
1114901;1430265436;trinque;doesn't seem there is one, neh?
1114902;1430265439;mircea_popescu;unless some sort of consensus can emerge the public'll just split
1114903;1430265564;mircea_popescu;ascii_field: i'd be open to a purely gnumake-based thing   << this before make starts building static or only after ? :D
1114904;1430265632;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114418 << sorry bout that. was trying to improve things. went about as well as you'd expect.
1114905;1430265632;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 21:09:48; cazalla: qntra/trilema down here so can't update :\
1114906;1430265804;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114480 << recommending shit to me is not necessarily -ev, especially if it works. i have an elephantine memory.
1114907;1430265804;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 21:38:56; mike_c: nginx always works.  I have never been disappointed in it.  Recommending shit to people is always a -EV process, but..
1114908;1430265844;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114626 << the thing yarvin was building leaky submarines out of
1114909;1430265844;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 22:12:44; trinque: I have to run, dunno what hoon is but I'll see if I can find info on it
1114910;1430266333;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> i am still awaiting your gentoo canonical << not even objecting to the linux flavour of that box, but to the cpanel idiocy
1114911;1430266342;asciilifeform;it poisons every single config on the box, and assumes php
1114912;1430266349;mircea_popescu;but the python stuff you ran into is pure linux,
1114913;1430266353;mircea_popescu;the misplaced apache is pure linux
1114914;1430266354;mircea_popescu;etc.
1114915;1430266372;asciilifeform;the requiring apache (and not just any, but cpanel's custom) is cpanelism
1114916;1430266392;mircea_popescu;except it doesn't require apache to run a script
1114917;1430266403;mircea_popescu;you can just have your python run off cron, and dump stuff into mysql
1114918;1430266407;mircea_popescu;then fish it out for web display
1114919;1430266415;asciilifeform;mno. need to serve some static pgs
1114920;1430266424;mircea_popescu;so create them as files
1114921;1430266426;asciilifeform;it has to be nginx or a (human) apache
1114922;1430266430;mircea_popescu;apache will serve them if in the right directories
1114923;1430266525;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> you can just have your python run off cron << how both will restart synchronized ?
1114924;1430266534;asciilifeform;this is ludicrous
1114925;1430266534;mircea_popescu;wut ?
1114926;1430266548;asciilifeform;i want the two to restart together
1114927;1430266551;asciilifeform;and i want -one- log
1114928;1430266553;mircea_popescu;the wto who
1114929;1430266563;asciilifeform;static and dynamic content servers
1114930;1430266580;asciilifeform;normally this is achieved by having apache (or nginx) pass through to, e.g., python
1114931;1430266616;mircea_popescu;you want a python script to be executed on page load ?
1114932;1430266623;asciilifeform;it isn't a script
1114933;1430266639;asciilifeform;it's a continuous process
1114934;1430266643;asciilifeform;that serves up http
1114935;1430266655;asciilifeform;read the src if interested (under the user i created)
1114936;1430266660;asciilifeform;simplest possible thing
1114937;1430266662;mircea_popescu;so you have your own web server written in python ?
1114938;1430266667;asciilifeform;not own, l0l
1114939;1430266673;mircea_popescu;move cpanel's apache to a diff port, and allocate 80 to yours.
1114940;1430266680;asciilifeform;the whole thing was written in about a day, if you recall, in a mighty hurry
1114941;1430266692;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: again i don't want python serving up statics
1114942;1430266698;asciilifeform;because it is ludicrous
1114943;1430266728;mircea_popescu;then have python drop the statics in /home/whatever and apache will automagically serve them ?
1114944;1430266805;asciilifeform;would like to run the fucking app without changes
1114945;1430266809;asciilifeform;like normal people.
1114946;1430266813;asciilifeform;on normal computer.
1114947;1430266841;mircea_popescu;cpanel has nothing to do with this.
1114948;1430266864;asciilifeform;normal people can get mod_wsgi if they want it.
1114949;1430266866;asciilifeform;cpanel - no.
1114950;1430266888;asciilifeform;normal people can get -pure- nginx
1114951;1430266891;asciilifeform;cpanel - again, no
1114952;1430266906;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> move cpanel's apache to a diff port, and allocate 80 to yours. <
1114953;1430266940;asciilifeform;and apache still runs, eats cycles for fuck knows what
1114954;1430266952;mircea_popescu;and if python.h fails, you prolly don't have th epaths set up right, it'll fai lthe same with or without some derpy package manager.
1114955;1430266966;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well actually it wouldn't run, especially if you kill that port in firewall.
1114956;1430266977;mircea_popescu;but you can stop the service in any case.
1114957;1430266992;asciilifeform;still end up with cpanelism autogenned crapolade in every single fucking thing in /etc
1114958;1430267008;asciilifeform;hence the traditional 'cpanel is not removable' dictum
1114959;1430267043;*;mircea_popescu shrugs
1114960;1430267054;mircea_popescu;linux doesn't work. any of it. picking some random idiocy to make an example of is futile.
1114961;1430267064;mircea_popescu;gentoo is a piece of shit. debian is a piece of shit. centos is a piece of shit.
1114962;1430267073;mircea_popescu;apache is a piece of shiot. so is nginx. so is everytrhiong else.
1114963;1430267074;*;asciilifeform genuinely wonders if mircea_popescu ever runs any www gadget that isn't a php bloggatron
1114964;1430267080;mircea_popescu;nothing works, everything';s made by idiots.
1114965;1430267118;mircea_popescu;nope. why would i even bother with www except for a blog
1114966;1430267125;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is almost but not entirely right. we are, for instance, presently speaking through an ancient atlantian tech that sorta works.
1114967;1430267142;mircea_popescu;oh get the fuck out. ircd ? THIS works ?
1114968;1430267148;asciilifeform;i said 'sorta worx'
1114969;1430267154;mircea_popescu;SO DOES EVERYTHING ELSE!!!!
1114970;1430267157;asciilifeform;l0l
1114971;1430267160;mircea_popescu;foss, the wonderful world of 90%
1114972;1430267165;mircea_popescu;"we almost did a job!!1"
1114973;1430267195;mircea_popescu;this, btw, is my constraint. fuck "fits in head", i dun care.
1114974;1430267202;mircea_popescu;DO.THEWHOLE.JOB.
1114975;1430267219;asciilifeform;'fits in head' is how you actually -know- that x 'did whole job'
1114976;1430267224;asciilifeform;anything else - is conjecture.
1114977;1430267231;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1114978;1430267237;asciilifeform;it is also how you know that x did -nothing but- whole job.
1114979;1430267271;asciilifeform;so 'fits in head' is 'part of a balanced diet' with 'does whole job' (otherwise brick 'fits in head')
1114980;1430267278;mircea_popescu;aham.
1114981;1430267293;mircea_popescu;kinda why i'm discovering all i really like off unix these days is like... curl. grep.
1114982;1430267304;asciilifeform;eh the only good part of unix is |
1114983;1430267311;mircea_popescu;somethinglikethat.
1114984;1430267313;mircea_popescu;and tee.
1114985;1430267324;asciilifeform;and good old tr
1114986;1430267621;mircea_popescu;!up Cromag1
1114987;1430267630;Cromag1;HI!
1114988;1430267637;asciilifeform;meow mix?
1114989;1430267642;Cromag1;YES!
1114990;1430267645;Cromag1;down me!
1114991;1430267653;asciilifeform;!down Cromag1
1114992;1430267658;trinque;asciilifeform's shit detector is impeccable
1114993;1430267659;asciilifeform;yw Cromag1
1114994;1430267665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00029075 = 3.7652 BTC [-] {2} 
1114995;1430267797;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform from the certain corners of the internet department http://www.rooshv.com/how-i-was-backstabbed-by-dr-oz-and-his-female-producers
1114996;1430267799;assbot;  How I Was Backstabbed By Dr. Oz And His Female Producers ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7nqbN )
1114997;1430267863;mircea_popescu;is this pickup artist drama ?
1114998;1430267891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where does cpanel keep apache's vhost configs, and why is this not documented anywhere ?
1114999;1430267902;asciilifeform;i've tried three claimed locations so far and none work
1115000;1430267911;mircea_popescu;i have nfi
1115001;1430267918;trinque;asciilifeform: there's a question here related to my make the thing a database rant
1115002;1430267931;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: fatshaming drama
1115003;1430267937;Adlai;vhost-: help out the poor asciilifeform
1115004;1430267943;mircea_popescu;o, it's okay to be fat now ?
1115005;1430267963;trinque;asciilifeform: I think I read on your blog something about how source code should be stored as ASTs not text?
1115006;1430267967;trinque;something along those lines
1115007;1430267970;Adlai;fat is the new phat
1115008;1430267974;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: According to Dr. Oz and Gawker media
1115009;1430267997;trinque;imo if the state of the system is represented as structured data a lot of these "munge the config more easily" programs go away
1115010;1430268005;Adlai;trinque: what, you want a table with two columns, CAR and CDR?
1115011;1430268005;mircea_popescu;delusion is always sweet
1115012;1430268008;mircea_popescu;and sweets fatten.
1115013;1430268027;trinque;Adlai: cddditout
1115014;1430268040;Adlai;no u
1115015;1430268211;trinque;Adlai: dear god my sides when http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_car_c.htm
1115016;1430268212;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBBEse )
1115017;1430268222;trinque;let it never be said that cl does not go to 11
1115018;1430268228;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1114937 this is SOP except in chumpatron where mircea lives.
1115019;1430268228;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 00:17:42; mircea_popescu: so you have your own web server written in python ?
1115020;1430268235;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, that guy is a wimp. that kinda situation doesn't have to end so poorly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0xoKiH8JJM
1115021;1430268236;assbot;MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBBJfj )
1115022;1430268277;Adlai;trinque: arguably, it doesn't: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_firstc.htm
1115023;1430268278;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBBQrx )
1115024;1430268290;trinque;hawhawhaw
1115025;1430268343;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: I'm just astounded at how he suggests he anticipated his appearance on the show could be anything other than a trap and how he failed to prepare accordingly
1115026;1430268442;danielpbarron;yeah i'm waiting for the end of the article where he admits to satire
1115027;1430268641;pete_dushenski;"Orioles will play Wednesday's game vs White Sox with NO audience in the stands." << heh. one for BingoBoingo.
1115028;1430268693;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: At least Ferguson is decently removed from the St Louis city center
1115029;1430268758;pete_dushenski;eh. st louis could use a kick in the pants from what i hear.
1115030;1430268944;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: In which manner?
1115031;1430268962;asciilifeform;how the everliving fuck is cpanel used with anything other than php/static wwwtron
1115032;1430269376;mircea_popescu;jurov what is ?
1115033;1430269416;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo mainly in terms of st louis being known for murders and crimes, and that a proper boiling over of the tensions between police and citizens could bring about positive resolution, whoever 'wins'
1115034;1430269463;mircea_popescu;lol @the prostitution=alimony thing.
1115035;1430269553;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Eh, There's a balance.
1115036;1430269641;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo a balance between what ?
1115037;1430269655;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I think some hmility was imposed when some of the black kids got too amped up on "kill whitey" and started going after Bosnians. Seems they learned better than to do that within a month or so.
1115038;1430269660;mircea_popescu;"Instantly, I knew I was walking into a trap. I looked around, half hoping for a hug or some assurance that everything was going to be okay"
1115039;1430269662;mircea_popescu;lol this derp
1115040;1430269672;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: crime/not crime in stl
1115041;1430269681;asciilifeform;i can't even config a fucking apache vhost on this thing.
1115042;1430269686;asciilifeform;and apparently neither can anyone else
1115043;1430269698;mircea_popescu;ahhh
1115044;1430269726;mircea_popescu;so basically... cpanel is super-security. even if malware expert gets root... what good is it ? :D
1115045;1430269750;asciilifeform;can't go far with exploded head.
1115046;1430269763;mircea_popescu;"I tried to take the conversation out of feelings and into logic by claiming that" << roosh is a fucktard srsly.
1115047;1430269783;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo bosnians being yugoslavia vets or... ?
1115048;1430269783;asciilifeform;'proceeding from informal to formal by formal means' (TM)
1115049;1430269812;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo and where's ferguson at these days ? i haven't heard much out of there recently.
1115050;1430269841;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Largely refugees came over in the 1990's colonized south city. The generation of Bosnians being targeted were largely the kids... The older ones seemed very unhappy about that...
1115051;1430269842;pete_dushenski;in terms of street violence, dead cops, local politics.
1115052;1430269860;BingoBoingo;Ferguson's been mostly tamed by Sharptoon and other FBI folk
1115053;1430269895;pete_dushenski;ah ok
1115054;1430269944;BingoBoingo;Back to just the normal shootings, police retreated, longtime businesses closing up and leaving
1115055;1430269964;pete_dushenski;hm rough.
1115056;1430269965;mircea_popescu;they're moving online ?
1115057;1430270000;pete_dushenski;cities like ferguson would be best served by a fleet of amazon delivery drones.
1115058;1430270024;pete_dushenski;dropping packages ordered online and heading back to homebase in the country far, far away
1115059;1430270031;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wasted many hours and actually moved phuctor to that thing, and it runs. just can't be reached from anywhere outside of box per se, aha.
1115060;1430270066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, is it at least crunching the numbers ?
1115061;1430270074;asciilifeform;would, if there were any
1115062;1430270087;mircea_popescu;i thought we had a million key db at some point ?
1115063;1430270092;asciilifeform;aha
1115064;1430270104;mircea_popescu;what, your scp's broken ?
1115065;1430270105;asciilifeform;i'm not dealing with syncing keys from the old install back into this one
1115066;1430270115;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Mostly moving to retirement
1115067;1430270118;asciilifeform;(which is what i'd have to do if they were to be used simultaneously)
1115068;1430270133;mircea_popescu;so then what does this do ?
1115069;1430270143;asciilifeform;sit there sadly (tm)
1115070;1430270158;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I think you underestimate the potential drone casualties
1115071;1430270159;asciilifeform;because box lacks normal apache
1115072;1430270178;mircea_popescu;aha. well ok. did you break it in the process ?
1115073;1430270187;asciilifeform;break in what sense
1115074;1430270201;mircea_popescu;in the sense that is it still usable as a cpanel box or will i have to have it reflushed.
1115075;1430270206;asciilifeform;can be used
1115076;1430270208;asciilifeform;login - same
1115077;1430270209;mircea_popescu;aite
1115078;1430270229;*;BingoBoingo starting to believe that Stan's gentoo build is so far from normal "linux" might as well be called Stannix nao
1115079;1430270240;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is perfectly normal
1115080;1430270241;mircea_popescu;a further three day experiment in the "linux is worthless and broadly unusable" meme. i guess it needed more documentation.
1115081;1430270243;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo not in the slightest. just that drones are cheaper than people. certainly with the us legal system such as it is. see mp's piece on 'how to go out in a blaze of glory'
1115082;1430270276;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Normal in terms of distance from your box to median boxen
1115083;1430270287;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: again, entirely normal
1115084;1430270301;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: phuctor, for instance, presently runs on 'the world's worst hoster', aws
1115085;1430270307;asciilifeform;and did not require any wizardry there
1115086;1430270328;BingoBoingo;When did AWS overtake Godaddy.com for that honor?
1115087;1430270353;asciilifeform;when opened doors ?
1115088;1430270361;asciilifeform;(charges by cpu cycle)
1115089;1430270367;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently not the worst.
1115090;1430270388;mircea_popescu;the only worse alternative to the worlds 2nd most common hoster seems to be... the world's MOST common.
1115091;1430270390;mircea_popescu;ya know ?
1115092;1430270494;decimation;aws does seem to have some degree of ddos protection
1115093;1430270543;williamdunne;Heh? AWS worse than GoDaddy?
1115094;1430270560;mircea_popescu;well, alf worse. "whatever i'm using currently"
1115095;1430270581;trinque;re: the power of unix this was fun -> http://dpaste.com/1J9M2Y0.txt
1115096;1430270582;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HPsiUa )
1115097;1430270622;trinque;probably done like shit; was written on the can after all
1115098;1430270634;decimation;asciilifeform: have you ever actually tried to grok ipsec?  it's a nightmare
1115099;1430270646;asciilifeform;decimation: no and can't see why i'd ever even want to
1115100;1430270681;decimation;ipsec is worse than you think
1115101;1430270692;decimation;yet somehow it's the defacto standard for 'vpn'
1115102;1430270700;asciilifeform;'somehow'
1115103;1430270703;BingoBoingo;Godaddy shoves its own Cpanel in everything
1115104;1430270770;pete_dushenski;alrighty, time for some exercise. later gents!
1115105;1430271780;mike_c;mircea_popescu: you're not crazy.  sorting the timestamps works in chrome, not in FF.  I'll investigate.
1115106;1430271791;mircea_popescu;weird shit huh.
1115107;1430271794;mike_c;yes..
1115108;1430271813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00028737 = 6.3796 BTC [-] {2} 
1115109;1430271827;mircea_popescu;i'm bracing myself for the one day when we discover unequal fives somewhere on the internet.
1115110;1430271839;mircea_popescu;only thing that's missing out of today.
1115111;1430271925;trinque;sounds like javascript math
1115112;1430271946;mircea_popescu;yeah, thinking about it hey mike_c maybe cheaper than investigating is altering the date format to numeric ?
1115113;1430271964;BingoBoingo;Nah, what's missing is me cataloguing all of the plants growning in the front flowerbeds, looking them up, and discovering the bulk of them are cardiotoxic.
1115114;1430271971;mike_c;yes, it would be, but then don't I get into arguments with the europeans?
1115115;1430271982;mircea_popescu;shit.
1115116;1430272545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8188 @ 0.00030438 = 2.4923 BTC [+] {2} 
1115117;1430272728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.0003081 = 15.3588 BTC [+] {3} 
1115118;1430273535;mircea_popescu;if anyone's (for purely academic reasons) interested in this shitshow : http://sourceforge.net/p/mod-security/mailman/message/30809326/
1115119;1430273536;assbot;ModSecurity / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbyGUe )
1115120;1430273567;mircea_popescu;modsecurity ITSELF is buggy when interacting with mod_remoteip. the devs understand the problem about as well as you'd expect of the php folk.
1115121;1430273577;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, http://osdir.com/ml/dev-httpd/2013-12/msg00139.html
1115122;1430273578;assbot;dev-httpd - Re: Some redundant code and comment typos in mod_remoteip - msg#00139 - Recent Discussion OSDir.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbyMem )
1115123;1430273583;mircea_popescu;ie, mod_remoteip was written by chickens.
1115124;1430273625;*;asciilifeform prescribes a dose of 'computer defender' ( http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/compdef.png )
1115125;1430273627;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbySCZ )
1115126;1430273641;mike_c;mircea_popescu: try now - http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/davout/
1115127;1430273642;assbot;davout WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEaYp8 )
1115128;1430273704;mircea_popescu;much better.
1115129;1430273716;mircea_popescu;what was it ?
1115130;1430273718;mike_c;k.  i also fixed the big wot graph cutting off some names on the sides
1115131;1430273755;mike_c;changing the date format helped.  went from AP style "Dec. 12, 2012", "April 12, 2012" to more simple short format "Dec 12, 2012", "Apr 12, 2012"
1115132;1430273767;mike_c;JS date parser was choking on former
1115133;1430273994;asciilifeform;'What's a manager to do with a heap of stuff that isn't managed and doesn't wish to be?' 'Burn it ?' (from mircea_popescu's site) << pure gold
1115134;1430274062;decimation;http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/hayek-and-business-management/
1115135;1430274064;assbot;Hayek and Business Management | askblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1bc93qW )
1115136;1430274124;decimation;"Of course, large corporations do exist. That is because as clumsy as they are, they can still be less clumsy than the alternative, which is to break a corporation into a network of contractually related divisions. "
1115137;1430274227;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> 'What's a manager to do with a heap of stuff that isn't managed and doesn't wish to be?' 'Burn it ?' (from mircea_popescu's site) << pure gold << This is how I've been getting exercise these past couple weeks. Shovel and glyphosate + troclopyr... Actual fire comes later
1115138;1430274724;mircea_popescu;mike_c sounds like secret overflow eh.
1115139;1430274727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform story of my lyf.
1115140;1430274774;mircea_popescu;decimation that is not why large corporations exist. large corporations exist because it is cheaper for the socialist state to interact with larger items than with smaller items.
1115141;1430274785;BingoBoingo;"burndown" is the only solution to certain problems in horticulture
1115142;1430274788;decimation;he does hypothesize that later
1115143;1430274808;mircea_popescu;that's why 100 employers of 10 employees each need a pile of paperwork from city hall, whereas one employer of 1000 employees gets free money from city hall
1115144;1430274811;decimation;"I do think that government often tilts the scale in favor of large organizations. The high fixed cost of regulatory compliance is one factor. Government has been a key customer in industries like aerospace, information technology, and finance, and the fixed costs of selling to government are very high, because of all of the hoops that you have to jump through."
1115145;1430274828;mircea_popescu;hoops my foot.
1115146;1430274853;mircea_popescu;blackwater "sold to the goverment" by jumpiong through the following hoops : "if you send anyone to investigate us, we'll just kill them"
1115147;1430274862;mircea_popescu;haliburton didn't even bother, just "lost" a trillion.
1115148;1430274876;decimation;yeah, good point, this
1115149;1430274903;mircea_popescu;if you were going to be raped,
1115150;1430274913;decimation;the corruption in selling physical goods to usg is nowhere near the size of the corruption of 'selling services'
1115151;1430274914;mircea_popescu;would you prefer being raped by ten thousand slimy worms
1115152;1430274917;mircea_popescu;or by a bull ?
1115153;1430274941;decimation;1024 chickens?
1115154;1430274946;mircea_popescu;governments everywhere always prefer the bull in that equation. tho their ideal is a herd of goats.
1115155;1430274970;mircea_popescu;apparently easier to hallucinate "a relationship" with the bull.
1115156;1430274972;decimation;well, the government believes they can make the bull like them
1115157;1430274978;mircea_popescu;eeexactly.
1115158;1430274993;BingoBoingo;What socialism truly deserves is taking it from a duck of extraordinary size
1115159;1430275007;decimation;and of course it is very much in bull's interest to pretend
1115160;1430275016;decimation;as long as the slop keeps rolling
1115161;1430275198;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007159 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007161
1115162;1430275198;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:33; decimation: then I heard this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that eve
1115163;1430275198;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:35; decimation: that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. "
1115164;1430275331;Pierre_Rochard;!rate davout 1 francais, être raisonnable
1115165;1430275331;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d94046976d665329
1115166;1430275346;Pierre_Rochard;!v assbot:Pierre_Rochard.rate.davout.1:400210684ec922303e0cfa010509d4eb36cacd24b5ad98a221944aac7c1aa9c6
1115167;1430275346;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for davout with note: francais, être raisonnable
1115168;1430275393;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.nginxcp.com/installation-instruction/ << there, random spamsite has nginx-for-cpanel prepackaged.
1115169;1430275394;assbot;Nginx Admin Installation Instruction ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbD5GH )
1115170;1430275404;mircea_popescu;"Tried to install and got this error message: access key doesnt exist create it in WHM What to do? Thank you."
1115171;1430275417;mircea_popescu;"At root whm go to Main >> Cluster/Remote Access >> Setup Remote Access Key Then click Generate New Key and retry to install"
1115172;1430275448;mircea_popescu;"Thank you very much; this is working very fine now. Great script and glad to get it installed. Success!"
1115173;1430275675;asciilifeform;for the love of god, montrezor! (tm)
1115174;1430275967;decimation;heh linus rejects dbus in kernel with prejudice http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1930358/focus=1939166
1115175;1430275968;assbot;Gmane Loom ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbEBZx )
1115176;1430275999;decimation;"IOW, all the people who say that it's about avoiding context switches are probably just full of shit. It's not about context switches, it's about bad user-level code."
1115177;1430276022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00029196 = 3.3575 BTC [-]
1115178;1430277026;mircea_popescu;http://www.gotw.ca/publications/concurrency-ddj.htm << check it out, apparently moore law stopped a decade ago.
1115179;1430277027;assbot;403 Forbidden ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbHglJ )
1115180;1430277028;mircea_popescu;who knew.
1115181;1430277072;TomServo;+asciilifeform | since quitting bsd ('04) << I'd love to hear more about this.  Or why the preference for linux?
1115182;1430277088;asciilifeform;TomServo: devices
1115183;1430277115;TomServo;Is that still true today?
1115184;1430277121;asciilifeform;mostly.
1115185;1430277148;asciilifeform;TomServo: check out the pogoplug netbsd saga for one example.
1115186;1430277163;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah, moore's law has been pretty dead since 2005
1115187;1430277175;decimation;note, transistor sizes have still shrunk, but clock rates haven't gone up
1115188;1430277182;mircea_popescu;aha.
1115189;1430277185;asciilifeform;decimation: heat
1115190;1430277205;decimation;and it's painfully obvious that intel and friends have no idea how to actually make use of their sea of transistors
1115191;1430277219;decimation;other than "do more of what we have been doing for 30 years"
1115192;1430277229;asciilifeform;considering that the entire point of the industry was to enable microshit bloat...
1115193;1430277248;asciilifeform;(yes, i'd love to live on a planet where moore's law was for something else)
1115194;1430277267;decimation;I predict that in the future this whole era of 'multi-core' manufacturing will be seen as crazy
1115195;1430277274;BingoBoingo;TomServo: asciilifeform was a FreeBSD man, but device drivers pushed him away, if I recall correctly nao CLANG+LLVM keeps him away
1115196;1430277292;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: openbsd is gcc-based
1115197;1430277297;asciilifeform;it's mainly the devices.
1115198;1430277331;asciilifeform;i also have boxes that run closedsource linux crapolade (e.g., xilinx toolchain)
1115199;1430277338;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Indeed. OpenBSD is GCC based and still weird on devices. Also generally weird.
1115200;1430277344;TomServo;pogoplug and such I understand.. but how does it factor in the cpanel debate?
1115201;1430277353;asciilifeform;TomServo: it doesn't
1115202;1430277369;BingoBoingo;Cpanel is another retardation
1115203;1430277408;asciilifeform;TomServo: mircea_popescu found somewhere a server, graciously offered for use in s.nsa. but it turned out to be running a severely mutilated linux.
1115204;1430277431;decimation;https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/trunk/phk/ssl_again.html < against 'ssl everywhere' < "With SSL Everywhere, these actors get much more privacy to invade the privacy of every human being with an internet connection, because it takes a lot more skill to look into a SSL connection than a plaintext HTTP connection."
1115205;1430277432;assbot;SSL revisited — Varnish version trunk documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em2hcB )
1115206;1430277433;BingoBoingo;Cpanel's primary design goal seems to be disorienting people when they try unperverted stuff such that they get hooked on the dope
1115207;1430277457;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in so far as i can see, it cannot be used for non-php hosting at all.
1115208;1430277468;asciilifeform;at least not without major surgery
1115209;1430277608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00030895 = 4.696 BTC [+]
1115210;1430277652;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In library school for web projects some of the doctoral students I met had a dependecy on it an phpmyadmin for their web work. They did surgeries, I wondered if they contorted so because they needed to burn hours of their life or if they needed to meet "expectations"
1115211;1430277652;decimation;not only does ssl enable the fucktarded certificate crypto, it enables nefarious 'customized' behavior
1115212;1430277682;BingoBoingo;decimation: Also all kinds of weird packet edge cases
1115213;1430277682;asciilifeform;heartbleed2-everywhere
1115214;1430277691;asciilifeform;as well as 'war on folks who sniff own lan'
1115215;1430277695;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
1115216;1430277697;decimation;asciilifeform: exactly
1115217;1430277702;asciilifeform;(just as ipv6 is)
1115218;1430277717;decimation;it exactly enables a 'walled-garden' model
1115219;1430277748;mircea_popescu;decimation politically they're pleasant,
1115220;1430277752;*;BingoBoingo would very much like triclopyr over ip protocol-protocol
1115221;1430277752;mircea_popescu;but technologically inept.
1115222;1430277762;mircea_popescu;to this date i dunno wtf happens that i end up with corrupted ips.
1115223;1430277793;decimation;mircea_popescu: possibly shitty lan hardware?
1115224;1430277799;mircea_popescu;nope.
1115225;1430277871;decimation;in theory it is still possible to sniff ssl traffic, but it's quite complex
1115226;1430277881;decimation;and makes it impossible to have a 'triangular' model of networking
1115227;1430277902;mircea_popescu;either set req.http.X-TVIP = client.ip; in varnish fucks up and sets the wrong thing ; or else, mod_remoteip fucks up the RemoteIPHeader X-TVIP conversion.
1115228;1430277911;mircea_popescu;impossible to debug, and DEFINITELY not worth debugging.
1115229;1430278002;BingoBoingo;!up sccop_test
1115230;1430278032;BingoBoingo;OMG sccop_test is has a Virginm hostmask
1115231;1430278068;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1115232;1430278073;gribble;Current Blocks: 354171 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 644 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48392476656.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.64231
1115233;1430278089;williamdunne;!addfeed somefeedhere
1115234;1430278125;sccop_test;Pings: 1
1115235;1430278157;danielpbarron;https://archive.is/YpSGx#selection-15867.52-15867.123 "Otherkin, pansexual/panromantic, polyamorous, and genderfluid/nonbinary"
1115236;1430278159;assbot;Tumblr dot TXT (TumblrTXT) on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em4FQI )
1115237;1430278192;BingoBoingo;!addfeed http://oglaf.com/feeds/rss/
1115238;1430278194;assbot;Oglaf! -- Comics. Often dirty. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em4MLX )
1115239;1430278275;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: You might want to use a different control character
1115240;1430278275;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: You're right, I'll make it @ or summin
1115241;1430278280;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: What about ;;;;;
1115242;1430278291;BingoBoingo;;;;;;addfeed
1115243;1430278292;gribble;Error: ";;;addfeed" is not a valid command.
1115244;1430278369;BingoBoingo;;!;;;addfeed
1115245;1430278369;BingoBoingo;^control prefix
1115246;1430278369;williamdunne;* test
1115247;1430278369;williamdunne;He won't say anything about valid commands
1115248;1430278369;williamdunne;so *this won't effect it*
1115249;1430278761;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Mircea has wanted oglaf on the feed though, would be nice to have it in a way that isn't me doing "/nick oglafbot"
1115250;1430278761;williamdunne;What do you mean?
1115251;1430278761;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu:  Tumblr dot TXT << wtf even was that
1115252;1430278761;asciilifeform;mega-lulzatr0n
1115253;1430278761;danielpbarron;some guy reposted the funniest SEW quotes from tumblr to twitter
1115254;1430278761;williamdunne;kakobrekla: would it be possible to make http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/williamdunne.json work, and be valid json? Not sure what format it currently is
1115255;1430278761;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em6htN )
1115256;1430278761;williamdunne;That way it doesn't break btcalpha.com/wot/
1115257;1430278761;decimation;asciilifeform: apparently every agency in the dc/baltimore area is trying to pacify baltimore
1115258;1430278761;decimation;I'm sure you could hear amusing stuff on your scanners
1115259;1430279105;decimation;lol http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-twitter-earns-20150429-story.html < "The company lost $162.4 million, compared with a loss of $132.4 million in the year-earlier quarter. Revenue jumped to $435.9 million from $250.5 million, but still fell far short of analysts' expectations of $463 million."
1115260;1430279106;assbot;Leak of revenue figures adds to Twitter's bad day; shares fall 18% - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em7scD )
1115261;1430279655;BingoBoingo;!up yang_
1115262;1430279655;BingoBoingo;!up Asenath_
1115263;1430279891;mircea_popescu;lol wtf is a "mature discussion about harems"
1115264;1430279919;mircea_popescu;williamdunne it just says "No data."
1115265;1430279933;williamdunne;Yeah I know
1115266;1430279940;williamdunne;Without the .json though its invalid json
1115267;1430279966;williamdunne;I'm suggesting that if with .json it returned valid json it could not break btcalpha with the suggested update
1115268;1430279966;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski Ferguson may be heating up again http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/gunfire-wounds-one-amid-protest-near-brown-shooting-scene-in/article_20958339-2ed0-577d-a80d-ba0959137074.html
1115269;1430279968;assbot;Gunfire wounds one amid protest near Brown shooting scene in Ferguson : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em9Yjd )
1115270;1430279968;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1115271;1430280045;mircea_popescu;where does it break btcalpha ?
1115272;1430280045;williamdunne;I'm assuming btcalpha is parsing the API in its current state
1115273;1430280055;williamdunne;So if it were changed  so that it uses valid json
1115274;1430280057;williamdunne;It would break
1115275;1430280093;williamdunne;Unless its using the DB files
1115276;1430280093;mircea_popescu;doubt it tbh.
1115277;1430280093;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1115278;1430280429;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-BxbLyO_ng
1115279;1430280430;assbot;BABA BOSSU DELA MEDIAS 2014 DE MUIE LA FRAIERI - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzAjPb )
1115280;1430280430;williamdunne;Either way though, could use some valid json
1115281;1430280430;asciilifeform;re: 'Tumblr dot TXT' >> would be interesting to learn how it was censored
1115282;1430280430;asciilifeform;(notice, archive copy, original is long vanished)
1115283;1430280665;BingoBoingo;So who can speak frog an write an qntra piece? https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legalis.net%2Fspip.php%3Fpage%3Dbreves-article%26id_article%3D4580&edit-text=
1115284;1430280666;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzAM3V )
1115285;1430280666;mircea_popescu;can has original url ?
1115286;1430280666;danielpbarron;original is long vanished << today vanished
1115287;1430281053;danielpbarron;would be interesting to learn how it was censored << lots of people all clicking "this account is offensive"
1115288;1430281053;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm a bit soaked in ETOH trying to protect my liver from cutaneous triclopyr exposure earlier today, not sure how to extract from Google clutches
1115289;1430281053;*;BingoBoingo is kind of aware BingoBoingo is not a broadleaf weed, but still taking post exposure prophylaxis against strange chemicals
1115290;1430281053;danielpbarron;http://www.legalis.net/spip.php?page=breves-article&id_article=4580
1115291;1430281053;assbot;                                    BREVES                         |  Prison avec sursis pour la décompilation illicite du code de Skype                 | Legalis.net     ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzBBtp )
1115292;1430281053;mircea_popescu;some dude in caen got sent to jail for publishing a reverse-engineered version of skype
1115293;1430281053;BingoBoingo;Really?
1115294;1430281157;mircea_popescu;6 months in prison (suspended) and 3500 euro fine
1115295;1430281157;mircea_popescu;this not really qntra is it ?
1115296;1430281157;mircea_popescu;court even rejected unliquidated damages.
1115297;1430281236;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Because the target was MS-limb Skype and the impact makes a contrast to the "American Approach" could be a qntra
1115298;1430281236;mircea_popescu;well, that
1115299;1430281275;mircea_popescu;'s all that's in there. what the guy actually reversed (of note) was the rc4 compression, and what really got them boiling is that he published it on his blog.
1115300;1430281322;BingoBoingo;Eh, everybody's fucked that RC4 slut.
1115301;1430281322;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1115302;1430281322;mircea_popescu;it's really... marginal in all respects.
1115303;1430281322;BingoBoingo;How many people have been punished for it?
1115304;1430281355;BingoBoingo;A hook is: what really got them boiling is that he published it on his blog.
1115305;1430281479;mircea_popescu;well...punished. his lawyer prolly cost more.
1115306;1430281479;mircea_popescu;but sure, if you wanna go into that
1115307;1430281480;BingoBoingo;I'm afraid to touch translations of the French language, but a certain subset of my WoT seems comfortable enough I'd publish their writeups on a Frog story
1115308;1430281524;BingoBoingo;If this were a derp seemingly so treated in an Arizona court I would be all over this
1115309;1430281585;BingoBoingo;Like Candida on a BBW
1115310;1430281585;mircea_popescu;https://getfedora.org/static/0608B895.txt << check it out, epel signs
1115311;1430281586;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EmfDpb )
1115312;1430282270;BingoBoingo;Doesn't pretty much every linux Distro try to at least pretend to the PGP signed sherezade?
1115313;1430282657;mircea_popescu;nope
1115314;1430282662;mircea_popescu;first one i've seen today.
1115315;1430282934;BingoBoingo;Nah, I'm not talking the "essential" "accessories" the distros themselves try to put up a PGP front
1115316;1430282939;BingoBoingo;Even if it means actual vitals are missing and unsigned
1115317;1430283078;mircea_popescu;i gues epel counts as a distro
1115318;1430283627;BingoBoingo;The *buttu derps kinda set the bar low on what counts as a "distro"
1115319;1430283659;mircea_popescu;https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=54651 even more lulz
1115320;1430283661;assbot;Bug 54651 – mod_remoteip ends up trusting IPs that it doesn't check ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVuV9L )
1115321;1430283690;mircea_popescu;note that nothing actually works in a number of different ways
1115322;1430283805;danielpbarron;http://theroguefeminist.tumblr.com/post/73293915224/tho-is-aave-just-to-let-you-know
1115323;1430283806;assbot;The Rogue Feminist • "Tho" is AAVE just to let you know ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVvqR6 )
1115324;1430284491;BingoBoingo;Who could have known that "The Catcher in the Rye" was about computing and JD Salinger was a time machine victim exponsed to Ubuntu
1115325;1430285233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3678 @ 0.00028616 = 1.0525 BTC [-]
1115326;1430285875;mircea_popescu;dude... "aave" is NOT a thing. it used to be.
1115327;1430285885;mircea_popescu;and tho is about as common as nosejobs.
1115328;1430286517;danielpbarron;!ud headmate
1115329;1430286523;danielpbarron;;;ud headmate
1115330;1430286524;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HeadMate | Apr 7, 2013 ... Headmate. A term thrown around mostly by people on tumblr. People who haven' t seen the sun in long enough begin to hallucinate vividly, ...
1115331;1430286909;danielpbarron;used in a sentence:  "I guess im in a polyamorous relationship since me and lelonia are both dating but I dont really feel like Im dating her&plus shes a headmate"
1115332;1430289015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8242 @ 0.00030166 = 2.4863 BTC [+]
1115333;1430289413;mircea_popescu;!up mixdio
1115334;1430289534;mircea_popescu;so basically it's alienation driven dissociation ?
1115335;1430289728;Adlai;the second UD definition seems much more accurate:
1115336;1430289736;Adlai;"Some people can claim different ethnicities or sexualities, thus allowing them to join an autonomous caucus (for instance queer or women’s) that they were not otherwise entitled to join"
1115337;1430289755;Adlai;also http://sjwnewspeak.tumblr.com/post/73525605704/headmates
1115338;1430289756;assbot;Social Justice Newspeak Explained, Headmates ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXNBoc )
1115339;1430289854;BingoBoingo;Oh shit, this new Marvel movie is actually smart. Perfect allegory for psot-Silk-Road Bitcoin.
1115340;1430290174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00030895 = 2.209 BTC [+]
1115341;1430290225;BingoBoingo;James Spader plays an evil robot on point, and... Disney spent 4 Josh Hamiltons or 1 Coinbase on a film.
1115342;1430290261;mircea_popescu;disney can afford it
1115343;1430290434;BingoBoingo;Seriously good Bitcoin allegory though. I will have to sober watch and blog up.
1115344;1430290512;trinque;Adlai: I assume you have now slept off your drunkeness; I meanwhile have found my own
1115345;1430290542;*;Adlai sips coffee and blinks
1115346;1430290591;trinque;tell you what; this country is a shitty place, but I have the good fortune to have met a handful of americans worth knowing
1115347;1430290614;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/42af915a8e33bb34894c48fcada7f1e0/tumblr_n79932CrxD1r2k92so1_1280.jpg and good night!
1115348;1430290617;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXQKUT )
1115349;1430291333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14799 @ 0.00030895 = 4.5722 BTC [+]
1115350;1430291882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5210 @ 0.00030895 = 1.6096 BTC [+]
1115351;1430292379;Adlai;!up gabriel_laddel
1115352;1430292385;gabriel_laddel;Thank you.
1115353;1430292392;Adlai;no thank YOU
1115354;1430292395;gabriel_laddel;1. A WoT host has been mentioned a few times in the logs - MP's new hosts (abusehosting.ru) accept bitcoin. It is probably easier to get them into the WoT than to start a new hosting company, which (understandably) no one wants to do. See also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2014#565389
1115355;1430292395;assbot;Logged on 18-03-2014 14:54:45; nubbins`: "hey guys i'd like to open a sandwich shop, is there any place i can buy deli meats in bulk?"
1115356;1430292395;gabriel_laddel;2. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-04-2015#1114502 << Vocabulary note: code and data reduce to "information".
1115357;1430292395;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 21:47:49; trinque: unix's "everything is a file" is a poor man's "everything is data"
1115358;1430292395;gabriel_laddel;3. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2015#1105913 << http://youtu.be/fJR1UFX2GVY?t=4m15s2
1115359;1430292395;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 19:23:08; mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard you know the very notion that someone thinks themselves gay and jewish... it's like... the quadriplegic swimmer or something. the 98 yo beauty queen
1115360;1430292397;assbot;Dana International - Tel Aviv Pride Parade 2014  דנה אינטרנשיונל במצעד הגאווה - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsIMBb )
1115361;1430292397;gabriel_laddel;4. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-04-2015#1114416 << Auotools is 150k LoC. Might as well just require SBCL at that point.
1115362;1430292397;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 20:56:45; ascii_field: i'd be open to a purely gnumake-based thing instead of the sh
1115363;1430292397;gabriel_laddel;5. <mircea_popescu> kinda why i'm discovering all i really like off unix these days is like... curl. grep. << http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/old-age-and-treachery.html
1115364;1430292398;assbot;The Treacherous Optimization ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsIMBd )
1115365;1430292398;gabriel_laddel;6. Baltimore, cf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6tmD0W5r4w
1115366;1430292399;assbot;Armed Korean Merchants Protect Stores - 1992 LA Riots - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsIMBj )
1115367;1430292405;gabriel_laddel;韓流 ftw.
1115368;1430292413;*;Adlai splurts coffee all over irc too
1115369;1430292455;Adlai;gabriel_laddel: at the very least, sending those in with a few-second delay would let assbot annotate the logs in a more readable manner
1115370;1430292470;Adlai;she can't spam faster than the speed of flood
1115371;1430292479;gabriel_laddel;kk, I
1115372;1430292486;gabriel_laddel;ll try harder next time.
1115373;1430292494;gabriel_laddel;7. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113989 << When I change the argument list, rename a procedure, use an unnamed reference why are the holes not marked or filled? Why must I manually declare my local variables and functions? Can't the current top level expression be searched for occurrences then factored out on a keystroke? Why must I balance strings, whatever the level of nesting or escaping? Can th
1115374;1430292494;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 17:16:36; mircea_popescu: think about it. why the fuck should the code have to know about this. and if it does have to know about this, why aren't ALL the code references affected by any of such a change cross-indexed somewhere ?
1115375;1430292494;gabriel_laddel;is not be handled automatically? Why isn't there grammer/spellchecking for my comments? If I modify a package or system definition at runtime, shouldn't I be prompted to write that change to the defining expression? Why must I optimize my programs and add type annotations? Can't test data be used to add typing annotations in an automated manner? Can't this information inform modifications of the program's fundamenta
1115376;1430292494;gabriel_laddel;l data structures to those appropriate for the information being pushed through it? If the type information exists, shouldn't it inform auto-completion? Shouldn't I be able to query over the type signature, known return types and lambda list of all procedures?
1115377;1430292494;gabriel_laddel;Why isn't all this information part of the version control toolchain? I can't query over all commits to find those that changed `some-function'..? WHAT THE FUCK IS HTTP? All I want to do is expose a procedure to a network - how is this more difficult than selecting a list of procedures which are then exposed?
1115378;1430292512;*;Adlai isn't sure "harder" is the right dimension
1115379;1430292520;gabriel_laddel;heh
1115380;1430292548;Adlai;Why must I manually declare my local variables << scoping
1115381;1430292578;Adlai;automagic scoping goes wrong once you start messing with eg closures
1115382;1430292587;gabriel_laddel;Nah - say I have this expression: (+ (x 4) k (x 4))
1115383;1430292608;Adlai;contrived example is contrived
1115384;1430292609;gabriel_laddel;I should be able to have a cursor on either one of the (x 4) and hit a keystroke to extract it into a let binding
1115385;1430292613;gabriel_laddel;I know
1115386;1430292619;gabriel_laddel;Just trying to point MP at something
1115387;1430292646;Adlai;you mean turning that into (let ((y (x 4))) (+ y k y)) ?
1115388;1430292652;gabriel_laddel;yep.
1115389;1430292688;gabriel_laddel;^ anyway, all of the above are simple if you adknowledge that you've got to operate on an AST
1115390;1430292739;gabriel_laddel;if you don't you'll be fucked, because generating syntatically correct code means AST manipulations
1115391;1430292749;gabriel_laddel;in lisp easy peasy pie
1115392;1430292752;gabriel_laddel;in ALGOL
1115393;1430292754;gabriel_laddel;heh
1115394;1430292766;gabriel_laddel;clang's AST crud is >100k LoC
1115395;1430292827;gabriel_laddel;I'll note that I wrote a prototype for the RPC described above - ran into an issue with TCP or the library I was using it from. Messages were disappearing in flight.
1115396;1430292837;gabriel_laddel;8. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-04-2015#1113452 << Masamune is based on funtoo, which is gentoo without SystemD.
1115397;1430292837;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 23:07:20; mircea_popescu: i'd settle for a well documented and judiciously defaulted gentoo.
1115398;1430292891;gabriel_laddel;If someone would like to make themselves useful and move us that much closer to a source-only #-assets distribution, a CL interface to portage is desperately needed.
1115399;1430292921;*;Adlai hasn't yet recovered from elisp overdose
1115400;1430292947;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: you're piping data back and forth from CL to elisp or...?
1115401;1430292959;gabriel_laddel;Portage has a USE flag (what is that? Idk, some nonsense abstraction) for docs so you can tell it to build all docs, but it gets caught in cyclic dependencies atm.
1115402;1430292959;Adlai;tried to read masamune code
1115403;1430292964;gabriel_laddel;Oh...
1115404;1430292966;gabriel_laddel;Whoops.
1115405;1430292968;gabriel_laddel;I should commit
1115406;1430292997;gabriel_laddel;Anyways, if someone were to move portage to CLOS detecting cycles is easy, hence we can have all the documentation we ever wanted
1115407;1430293006;gabriel_laddel;I should note that masamune installs
1115408;1430293033;gabriel_laddel;something went wrong with imaxima and gnuplot in portage - it only works on one of my machines now
1115409;1430293063;gabriel_laddel;^ http://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/ this is probably a good place to start for portage -> CL
1115410;1430293065;assbot;Portage Documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1QI1HfK )
1115411;1430293085;gabriel_laddel;basically all one needs is
1115412;1430293086;gabriel_laddel;emerge -s maxima ;; searches maxima
1115413;1430293086;gabriel_laddel;equery y maxima ;; shows available versions of maxima
1115414;1430293086;gabriel_laddel;emerge info maxima ;; get all information
1115415;1430293138;gabriel_laddel;Another useful thing someone could do is to figure out how we would go about generating a canonical hardware -> driver mapping
1115416;1430293277;gabriel_laddel;https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/blob/master/util.lisp#L591
1115417;1430293278;assbot;masamune/util.lisp at master · gabriel-laddel/masamune · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QI2uNY )
1115418;1430293298;trinque;"I can't query over all commits" << man I yell about wanting to query the state of everything constantly
1115419;1430293317;gabriel_laddel;^ this contains information about how to get a list of all hardware - the kernel can determine hardware -> driver mappings somehow. Find, document.
1115420;1430293333;gabriel_laddel;trinque: one can trivially query over ASTs
1115421;1430293363;gabriel_laddel;regarding comprehensible computing - an observation, sbcl vs. GCC
1115422;1430293378;gabriel_laddel;~398k LoC vs. >14 million
1115423;1430293390;gabriel_laddel;SBCL has a %6 C core for GC stuff
1115424;1430293396;trinque;grammar : AST :: schema : rows
1115425;1430293418;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I don't know how to read that.
1115426;1430293468;gabriel_laddel;one could tear out all windows crud from SBCL, and replace the C crud with some clever assembler hacks in a manner similar to what I've been told T did.
1115427;1430293471;gabriel_laddel;anyways...
1115428;1430293500;gabriel_laddel;http://www.paulgraham.com/thist.html
1115429;1430293501;assbot;History of T ... ( http://bit.ly/1QI3tgZ )
1115430;1430293511;Adlai;trinque: make them all equal! tables of cons cells! cdr-coded self-joins!
1115431;1430293530;trinque;Adlai: when does relational algebra get its "cycle"
1115432;1430293544;Adlai;three bushels of hax
1115433;1430293554;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: tables of cons cells?
1115434;1430293568;trinque;fwiw the best relational system is probably yet to be built, and is probably made of lisp
1115435;1430293570;Adlai;gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115010
1115436;1430293570;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 00:40:05; Adlai: trinque: what, you want a table with two columns, CAR and CDR?
1115437;1430293577;gabriel_laddel;!s reflections on trusting trust
1115438;1430293578;assbot;3 results for 'reflections on trusting trust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=reflections+on+trusting+trust
1115439;1430293583;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: I saw that - but wtf
1115440;1430293590;trinque;it's just lists of lists after all, with something which guards inserts/updates into it
1115441;1430293590;*;Adlai is trollinque
1115442;1430293595;gabriel_laddel;ah
1115443;1430293621;trinque;you lispfolk can rip the relational database from my dead hands
1115444;1430293630;gabriel_laddel;trinque: ummm
1115445;1430293631;trinque;it's fine for pulling levers on my database, but that's it
1115446;1430293646;gabriel_laddel;trinque: one can just query over ASTs
1115447;1430293656;gabriel_laddel;like, say that I want to find all javascript functions with 3 arguments
1115448;1430293685;trinque;you can have an invalid AST in lisp, in terms of your grammar; no one stops you from making any pile of cons cells
1115449;1430293693;gabriel_laddel;correct
1115450;1430293696;trinque;if I represent a grammar in SQL tables you cannot fuck it up
1115451;1430293706;gabriel_laddel;hmmm.
1115452;1430293710;trinque;any atomic alteration of the state of it cannot be wrong
1115453;1430293724;trinque;I can bitch slap your mistakes with constraints and the very structure of my schema
1115454;1430293727;trinque;that is what I love about it
1115455;1430293763;Adlai;this is starting to sound like unfeature #4
1115456;1430293798;Adlai;put more constructively: does your constraint grammer allow for extending itself?
1115457;1430293807;trinque;sure, but specifically how
1115458;1430293810;gabriel_laddel;^ ding ding ding
1115459;1430293813;trinque;nah hold on
1115460;1430293814;gabriel_laddel;as for the js ast
1115461;1430293816;trinque;what's meant by that
1115462;1430293821;gabriel_laddel;(filter (lambda (l) (and (eq :function (car  l)) (= 3 (length (nth 2 l))))) (js-ast #P"~/somejsfile.js"))
1115463;1430293846;trinque;of course one can alter schema at will
1115464;1430293847;Adlai;can you stick some row into some table of constraint specifications, which lets future-you insert previously-invalid rows
1115465;1430293855;trinque;I don't know why people act like relational databases are cast in iron
1115466;1430293894;trinque;Adlai: writable system catalog released by my old employer https://github.com/aquametalabs/pg_meta
1115467;1430293895;assbot;aquametalabs/pg_meta · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QI56eK )
1115468;1430293903;trinque;so yeah, you can just insert into that and alter the database arbitrarily
1115469;1430293928;trinque;so one of the projects I built with that is a schema generator given some ebnf representation of a grammar
1115470;1430293936;trinque;along with automatic to-string for the ASTs
1115471;1430293945;trinque;so you can metaprogram like a motherfucker in an rdbms
1115472;1430293949;trinque;SQL is just a terrible syntax.
1115473;1430294005;gabriel_laddel;yeah that sounds like a lot of work
1115474;1430294023;trinque;no, not really
1115475;1430294033;trinque;SQL's a highly functional language, easy to think about
1115476;1430294045;trinque;it's just operating on sets
1115477;1430294067;gabriel_laddel; "automatic to-string for the ASTs"
1115478;1430294075;gabriel_laddel;^ sounds like a bitch - but I'm lazy...
1115479;1430294092;Adlai;sounds like a defmethod print-object
1115480;1430294146;trinque;gabriel_laddel: it's just a join between the tables that represent the grammar and the AST tables
1115481;1430294164;trinque;so you can pull lexer tokens out of the former for example that aren't in the AST itself
1115482;1430294173;gabriel_laddel;holy fuck no
1115483;1430294207;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel
1115484;1430294216;gabriel_laddel;trinque: you're just learning CL, right?
1115485;1430294224;gabriel_laddel;or, like, looking at it now?
1115486;1430294272;trinque;I'm surprised you find the relational model controversial.
1115487;1430294281;trinque;I don't see how it's incompatible at all with lisp.
1115488;1430294285;Adlai;what's wrong with extending code-is-data to another data format?
1115489;1430294286;gabriel_laddel;I don't find it controversial at all
1115490;1430294300;gabriel_laddel;I find the parsing to be a gigantic PITA
1115491;1430294302;Adlai;(beyond the hours forever lost turning into weeks you'll never get back)
1115492;1430294318;Adlai;I'm not sure there's any parsing involved
1115493;1430294323;trinque;so give me the enforcement of logical structure in lisp
1115494;1430294328;trinque;that is what I want.
1115495;1430294330;Adlai;this seems to be more "store the AST in a db rather than text"
1115496;1430294336;gabriel_laddel;;; later tell EllieAsksWhy 'proxies'
1115497;1430294337;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1115498;1430294384;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I understand what you're talking about.
1115499;1430294399;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: he is/was storing lexing and grammer information.
1115500;1430294420;trinque;tool for representing business rules, piles of data, and trying to make money, please.
1115501;1430294468;*;Adlai always found "business logic" reminiscent of "military logic" in the necessity of distinguishing it from plain simple old "logic"
1115502;1430294481;gabriel_laddel;hehe
1115503;1430294500;trinque;I think it's code for "not mine but his"
1115504;1430294585;Adlai;or "who me, write my own code? nah"
1115505;1430294598;Adlai;"fetch me your trainedest monkeys!"
1115506;1430294620;gabriel_laddel;I'd like to clarify that what I'm finding appaling here is the huge amount of effort spent generating syntatically correct strings.
1115507;1430294632;trinque;that's not the purpose of it at all.
1115508;1430294634;gabriel_laddel;Sure, even in sexprs you have a 'grammer' you might want to check
1115509;1430294645;gabriel_laddel;the purpose isn't what I'm horrified by
1115510;1430294654;trinque;how in lips could you take the ast of a view against one table
1115511;1430294660;trinque;consider the ast of an operation to change the table
1115512;1430294666;trinque;and derive the view that will apply to the new table
1115513;1430294671;trinque;even if you pivoted one into two
1115514;1430294684;trinque;being able to reflect and consider things as sets, not the tree, is valuable
1115515;1430294704;trinque;lips, lol
1115516;1430294706;gabriel_laddel;I have to check that I know what these terms mean before I respond. one sec
1115517;1430294729;Adlai;back in the old days, there was no asdf:load-system... everything consisted of passing magic dispatch tokens to asdf:operate
1115518;1430294784;Adlai;people became lazy... everything changed once the bitrot nation attacked
1115519;1430294793;gabriel_laddel;ha
1115520;1430294805;Adlai;ultimately, rdbms magic does NOT fits in heads
1115521;1430294813;trinque;it's not magic at all
1115522;1430294816;trinque;it's set logic
1115523;1430294821;gabriel_laddel;trinque: could you rephrase "take the ast of a view against one table"
1115524;1430294827;trinque;which amounts to an iteration over one or more lists with an if statement
1115525;1430294832;Adlai;you can't "cat fixup >> database.sql"
1115526;1430294835;trinque;other such logic, producing a result
1115527;1430294842;gabriel_laddel;btw, one can trivially deal with sexpr 'ASTs' as sets
1115528;1430294863;trinque;gabriel_laddel: asumming the AST is represented as a set of tables with foreign key relationships, each table representing a production rule in the grammar
1115529;1430294874;gabriel_laddel;hahahahahahahhaa
1115530;1430294877;gabriel_laddel;oh my fucking god
1115531;1430294883;trinque;you have a childish way of speaking
1115532;1430294903;*;gabriel_laddel is a child :/
1115533;1430294911;trinque;well grow the fuck up, and discuss ideas like a man.
1115534;1430294931;gabriel_laddel;kk, I'm not going anywhere
1115535;1430294990;trinque;if I discovered a way to do something lispy in a non-lisp environment, do you think this'd be the first time I've done this?
1115536;1430295012;gabriel_laddel;trinque: done what exactly?
1115537;1430295041;trinque;so like, why do you think we put ASTs in the database?
1115538;1430295043;trinque;no reason?
1115539;1430295074;gabriel_laddel;I've no idea why you did, but am assuming you've got some reason why
1115540;1430295090;trinque;so then from what position do you proclaim lisp?
1115541;1430295107;gabriel_laddel;because it is inescapable
1115542;1430295115;gabriel_laddel;well, s-expressions are at least
1115543;1430295125;trinque;I'm not seeing the incompatibility of the things
1115544;1430295126;gabriel_laddel;"lisp", like "lispy" is an ill-defined idea.
1115545;1430295132;trinque;list of lists
1115546;1430295152;trinque;there you go, now fucking iterate over two of them and filter by respective conditional expressions
1115547;1430295159;trinque;pop the result into one new list
1115548;1430295174;trinque;now worry about schema at appropriate places and you've got relational algebra
1115549;1430295179;trinque;doesn't need a fucking postgresql
1115550;1430295186;gabriel_laddel;agreed
1115551;1430295189;gabriel_laddel;everything is a "list of lists" or a "tree" when you get down to it (in the compiler - though yes, you can go directly stack machine).
1115552;1430295201;trinque;certainly
1115553;1430295214;gabriel_laddel;but sexprs are nice because they're easy to parse.
1115554;1430295233;gabriel_laddel;anyone /can/ add meta-programming to whatever language they want.
1115555;1430295241;gabriel_laddel;but you'll end up like paul phillips
1115556;1430295263;gabriel_laddel;because parsing is a terribly boring (and totally unnecessary) task.
1115557;1430295293;gabriel_laddel;btw, I'm still putting together a model of what exactly it is you've done so that I can discuss this with you using your vocabulary...
1115558;1430295509;gabriel_laddel;"how in lips could you take the ast of a view against one table" << This ends up being just hacking at sexprs with the full language at your disposal.
1115559;1430295524;gabriel_laddel;you might get a "relational algebra"
1115560;1430295535;trinque;and if one of your hacks fucks up the logic of what it is to be a "whatever's in that list" ?
1115561;1430295565;trinque;the idea is that your lisp code is always right, hence the data is right
1115562;1430295570;gabriel_laddel;nope
1115563;1430295580;trinque;whereas I assume everything's hell and hopefully the database will keep it all coherent
1115564;1430295610;trinque;because a printer could fellate itself or linux could grow cancer and fill a disk
1115565;1430295635;trinque;the database if told as much as is known about the data you want to represent, wont let you fuck it up
1115566;1430295656;gabriel_laddel;I can do the same thing if I want.
1115567;1430295688;gabriel_laddel;you just end up writing a predicate to see that the information you're manipulating is (every #'string ...) or whatever
1115568;1430295691;trinque;which amounts to building a database in to your thing, yeah?
1115569;1430295707;gabriel_laddel;Well, the lines get blurry.
1115570;1430295709;gabriel_laddel;But yes.
1115571;1430295746;gabriel_laddel;;; google symbolics Statice
1115572;1430295746;gribble;Statice (Symbolics) - Symbolics Lisp Machine Museum: <http://smbx.org/statice-symbolics/>; Symbolics Assets Bought - Symbolics Lisp Machine Museum: <http://smbx.org/symbolics-assets-bought/>; Statice Flower Meaning & Symbolism | Statice Facts - Teleflora.com: <http://www.teleflora.com/about-flowers/statice.asp>
1115573;1430295862;gabriel_laddel;So, in your model of computing you get to work with incomplete languages in the "data model" and when generating "views". While this does provide defaults, when hacking lisp you always have the full language at your disposal.
1115574;1430295865;BingoBoingo;Quick question... There's no macguffin the plot can use to out BTC BTC is there...
1115575;1430295895;gabriel_laddel;Also, you don't have to parse anything, or have "generator rules" or whatever, which cuts out a lot of the complexity that you get when doing something like what you've done.
1115576;1430295975;*;BingoBoingo still wonders about the search for a singular #b-a distribution when x86 sucks as much as it does...
1115577;1430295985;gabriel_laddel;it is on the way
1115578;1430295992;gabriel_laddel;I just spent 2 days fucking with mozilla
1115579;1430296042;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel
1115580;1430296060;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: Making it production ready is going to take some time, but as is, it is better than any other distro I've used.
1115581;1430296072;BingoBoingo;<trinque> if I represent a grammar in SQL tables you cannot fuck it up << You want to throw a stake down on that???
1115582;1430296084;gabriel_laddel;Having the same keybindings for the web browser + editor gets me all hot and bothered.
1115583;1430296096;gabriel_laddel;If I could just get a working shared kill ring...
1115584;1430296102;*;gabriel_laddel *shivers*
1115585;1430296117;trinque;yeah, if you represent anything correctly in relational tables you wont have false statements *according to your system*
1115586;1430296120;trinque;you could totally be wrong
1115587;1430296124;trinque;just not incoherent
1115588;1430296156;trinque;this assurance that the data means anything is why databases were created.
1115589;1430296220;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Not dissing the project, just questioning the target.
1115590;1430296237;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: question away.
1115591;1430296244;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: diss away too.
1115592;1430296298;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Dunno how useful I can be. Drunk on vodka trying to protect my vital fluids from triclopyr. Watched a Disney movie...
1115593;1430296363;BingoBoingo;trinque: The problem with taking any extant, deployabru RDBMS is that unsanitzed inputs could throw out rm -rf /
1115594;1430296393;BingoBoingo;Hopefully the DB doesn't have the rights for it to run, but...
1115595;1430296396;gabriel_laddel;I'm simply of the opinion that our current platform (irc) is too barbaric and doesn't force enough shared context upon us to do anything interesting. Any sort of shared vision or whatever gets watered down into discussions like the above.
1115596;1430296424;gabriel_laddel;Without a shared language the logs will end up in endless cycles of the above.
1115597;1430296460;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: What makes you sure we have a shared platform, or that individuals here choose platforms for themselves singularly?
1115598;1430296495;BingoBoingo;I doubt severely shared languages are a thing
1115599;1430296495;gabriel_laddel;perhaps that was phrased poorly.
1115600;1430296527;gabriel_laddel;The preceding discussion was largely myself and trinque learning the others vocabulary.
1115601;1430296533;trinque;I think the guy just means talking in person it is much easier to understand what's meant by the other.
1115602;1430296543;trinque;yeah that
1115603;1430296554;gabriel_laddel;I don't think "in person" has much to do with it.
1115604;1430296572;gabriel_laddel;right now I can't draw you a 3D picture you can just open up, modify and send back to me
1115605;1430296573;gabriel_laddel;why?
1115606;1430296576;trinque;well then that's something true of any attempt to communicate
1115607;1430296580;gabriel_laddel;compiler, dependencies blah blah blah
1115608;1430296598;trinque;sure, big bottleneck there still
1115609;1430296642;trinque;it's going to piss you off when I say we were attaching widgets to the various tables of our ASTs
1115610;1430296647;trinque;this is what you're talking about right?
1115611;1430296655;trinque;you want to send me data directly in some more meaningful structure
1115612;1430296681;BingoBoingo;trinque: Baudot is the penultimate encoding
1115613;1430296712;gabriel_laddel;"I need the ability to publish a unit of research as an interactive program containing all information used to draw my conclusions. It shall be entirely and trivially modifiable, extensible, and if reproducing the research is possible on this machine, running the program shall be a single click or procedure call away. WYSIWYG tools shall be included and fashioned from the precepts of geometry. Thus, if the supplied
1115614;1430296712;gabriel_laddel;graphics routines are inadequate, I can fall back on an 'api' independent of man. Lessons, as a refinement of research, shall offer the same capabilities. Networking (e.g., sharing these programs or crafting interactions between them) shall be trivial. No single authority shall dictate what is an isn't appropriate to publish. This is not to be enforced by social machinery which promises to promote and cherish scient
1115615;1430296712;gabriel_laddel;ific inquiry, but as a consequence of a comprehensible, expressive design that empowers the individual. "
1115616;1430296720;gabriel_laddel;^ trinque
1115617;1430296739;BingoBoingo;<trinque> sure, big bottleneck there still << Irony of ironies, bottleneck is the part of the bottle that broke such that poison exposure happened
1115618;1430296779;gabriel_laddel;trinque: related - pastebin.com/AdTXnKT6
1115619;1430296791;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Couldn't a Perl OS do that? Works for make baby?
1115620;1430296808;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: die
1115621;1430296820;BingoBoingo;Or AppleBasic?
1115622;1430296837;BingoBoingo;6502 emulates on nearly everything...
1115623;1430296859;gabriel_laddel;^ http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-00-a.html
1115624;1430296859;assbot;DNA/Frank The Vandal ... ( http://bit.ly/1zcsgnS )
1115625;1430296872;gabriel_laddel;^ many thanks to stas for pointing me to that via his blog
1115626;1430296873;trinque;gabriel_laddel: I'm headed towards bed; I'll read this tomorrow.
1115627;1430297054;trinque;!rate gabriel_laddel 2 ...then I expect an operating system.
1115628;1430297055;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/bbb73859c2d2f57f
1115629;1430297064;*;BingoBoingo just watched Disney produced "evil robot fiction" was surprised at the parts that weren't shitty
1115630;1430297089;trinque;!v assbot:trinque.rate.gabriel_laddel.2:ebce74b8458b0e2934062e26da0b155a3b93e00ae745213213525f777b4d25c3
1115631;1430297089;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for gabriel_laddel with note: ...then I expect an operating system.
1115632;1430300544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00029619 = 1.7179 BTC [-]
1115633;1430300605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11505 @ 0.0002903 = 3.3399 BTC [-] {2} 
1115634;1430300666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5795 @ 0.00028616 = 1.6583 BTC [-]
1115635;1430301338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9830 @ 0.00029619 = 2.9115 BTC [+]
1115636;1430302002;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115283 <<< ugh. this whole story is such a pile of braindamage
1115637;1430302002;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 04:11:05; BingoBoingo: So who can speak frog an write an qntra piece? https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legalis.net%2Fspip.php%3Fpage%3Dbreves-article%26id_article%3D4580&edit-text=
1115638;1430302043;davout;basically the guy is being hung because the reverse-engineering wasn't made with the intent of creating something interoperable with skype, which is permitted under french law
1115639;1430302253;punkman;davout, how did they figure that intent
1115640;1430302355;davout;punkman: because he blogged about it and didn't keep it for himself, because of what he declared to the cops about making stuff to block skype, replicate its functionality without the backdoors
1115641;1430302414;davout;;;calc 67067452/25000
1115642;1430302414;gribble;2682.69808
1115643;1430302440;davout;so apparently this neucoin thing sold for 2.7kBTC worth of their, ahem, "coin"
1115644;1430302620;punkman;I had to get some paperwork from the police station today. old lady there looks at my ID, which is old and handwritten, and says "hey, I made this ID back in the day"
1115645;1430303118;punkman;also, cab driver: "check out the hottie over there" *honks* "oh shit that was my cousin. damn she lost a lot of weight"
1115646;1430304265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00028666 = 2.5799 BTC [-]
1115647;1430304936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00028666 = 2.2073 BTC [-]
1115648;1430308047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00029619 = 4.1319 BTC [+]
1115649;1430309482;jurov;http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/641244/5d1d6d20aeb0a647/ heh, python scripting/REPL for GRUB.
1115650;1430309483;assbot;Python without an operating system [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zcUdMc )
1115651;1430309877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00028521 = 4.7202 BTC [-] {2} 
1115652;1430310868;mircea_popescu;The core problem is that C programmers think they can get away with doing much less than the Common Lisp programmer causes the computer to do. But this is actually wrong. Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable. They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will only
1115653;1430310868;mircea_popescu;make them miserable and hate their lives. People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself and get through such experiences. Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arguments
1115654;1430310869;mircea_popescu;" that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Since you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride before it
1115655;1430310874;mircea_popescu;is over and you "lost".
1115656;1430310878;mircea_popescu;the fucking quotes don't belong there.
1115657;1430310889;mircea_popescu;what you _have_ in point of fact ACTUALLY LOST is the ability to live in a world where things actually work,
1115658;1430310906;mircea_popescu;as opposed to "well it mostly works" "you just have to..." "hey it works on MY system" etc.
1115659;1430311006;mircea_popescu;and yesterday's discussion re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113989 is a magnificent example of the exact problem.
1115660;1430311006;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 17:16:36; mircea_popescu: think about it. why the fuck should the code have to know about this. and if it does have to know about this, why aren't ALL the code references affected by any of such a change cross-indexed somewhere ?
1115661;1430311017;jurov;that world did never exist
1115662;1430311137;mircea_popescu;!up lolz
1115663;1430311154;mircea_popescu;jurov so is your argument something like "oh look how cute, mp found a socialism HE CAN BELIEVE IN!!1" ?
1115664;1430311227;jurov;it§s easiest to believe in the past that is now lost
1115665;1430311268;mircea_popescu;i was ftr not proposing this was a thing at any point in the past.
1115666;1430311295;jurov;i don't get you then at all
1115667;1430311303;mircea_popescu;the problem here is that we're regressing to the past (srsly, the varnish adventure is so reminiscent of "dos utilities" scene it bleeds) but with much more powerful tools and with much more societal dependency on them.
1115668;1430311330;mircea_popescu;it is, if you wish, like if bitcoin were to take over and everyone depended on it in 2065, but then for some reason people started moving back to 0.5.3 codebase.
1115669;1430311356;mircea_popescu;it might have been ok for 50 years ago, when the most damage that it could do was someone losing his retarded tripod poems
1115670;1430311367;mircea_popescu;it has a decent chance at simply ending the world, now.
1115671;1430311415;jurov;so you want to have progress, after all\
1115672;1430311421;mircea_popescu;hm... i think the ddos might still be on. that lolz dude left exactly 246 s after i voiced him.
1115673;1430311454;mircea_popescu;jurov i just want shit that works.
1115674;1430311482;mircea_popescu;IF i am going to allow these retarded kids out of their basements and into society, they HAVE TO spiff up their act.
1115675;1430311505;mircea_popescu;i guess this could be progress. it could also be normalization. whatever it is...
1115676;1430311538;jurov;basically, it's like roads were replaced every few years (bevcause we can and it's cheap) so that cars would need constatnt upgrades and modifications
1115677;1430311553;jurov;you come and ask for car that damn works in this situation
1115678;1430311555;jurov;impossible.
1115679;1430311564;mircea_popescu;but the "changes" just stopped. moore law is dead.
1115680;1430311572;mircea_popescu;i am at the forefront of people who noticed, and demand changes.
1115681;1430311592;mircea_popescu;you know, thought leadership.
1115682;1430311636;jurov;moore is not the only game in town. network bandwidth is still going up.
1115683;1430311651;jurov;if that hits the ceiling,too, maybe then.
1115684;1430311661;mircea_popescu;bandwidth alone is not really that type of change tho. and it stopped going up also, esp in the us.
1115685;1430311676;mircea_popescu;actually the forecasts are that 2020 bw will be less than 2015 was.
1115686;1430311718;mats;ouch, TWTR falls 15%
1115687;1430311725;mircea_popescu;wasn't it 19% ?
1115688;1430311756;mats;might be 19% pre market
1115689;1430311791;mats;o nvm it fell below 20% at some point
1115690;1430311809;mircea_popescu;aha.
1115691;1430311829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4228 @ 0.00029619 = 1.2523 BTC [+]
1115692;1430311872;mircea_popescu;lol i go to bed, gabriel_laddel comes online. avoiding unpleasant convos yo ? :D
1115693;1430311921;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel: 1. A WoT host has been mentioned a few times in the logs - MP's new hosts <<  yeah i had sent teh guy an invite. all it takes is for him to actually show up etc.
1115694;1430311944;jurov;i expect at least one round of redoing all the world if the derps succeed enforcing SSL everywhere
1115695;1430311967;mircea_popescu;how would they succeed that ? i'm not doing it.
1115696;1430311982;mircea_popescu;redefining "everywhere" != succeeding at ssl everywhere.
1115697;1430312012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00028444 = 2.944 BTC [-]
1115698;1430312029;mircea_popescu;currently for instance, cpanel forums require ssl, and so i'm not visiting them. i don't generally visit sites that don't have a http version.
1115699;1430312038;davout;looks like this iOS wifi exploit's being used in the wild http://qz.com/393909/american-airlines-planes-are-grounded-because-their-pilots-ipads-have-crashed/
1115700;1430312039;assbot;An iPad glitch grounded several dozen American Airlines planes  –  Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAZhp9 )
1115701;1430312057;mats;lol
1115702;1430312077;mircea_popescu;lmao
1115703;1430312084;mircea_popescu;but what do they need the ipads for ?!
1115704;1430312104;davout;mircea_popescu: it's actually pretty useful to get rid of tons of paper
1115705;1430312116;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1115706;1430312123;mircea_popescu;iirc you can't even save a file on it.
1115707;1430312136;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly : Upupa epops might be the best latin name ever.
1115708;1430312171;jurov;or ipv6, you can ignore it, but it may mean you'll be unable to find working code that does not have the bits you hate
1115709;1430312209;punkman;related, I watched a cab driver fashion a cooling system for his lenovo tablet/gps thing because it'd overheat and shut down
1115710;1430312248;mircea_popescu;jurov that's ok, i'm unable to find working code anyway.
1115711;1430312256;punkman;but airline pilots relying on ipad for flight plan? wtf
1115712;1430312290;mircea_popescu;we're a species of idiots.
1115713;1430312320;punkman;I dun wanna fly anymore
1115714;1430312407;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJR1UFX2GVY << lmao check out amateur hour.
1115715;1430312409;assbot;Dana International - Tel Aviv Pride Parade 2014  דנה אינטרנשיונל במצעד הגאווה - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DB0f4J )
1115716;1430312424;mircea_popescu;hey Adlai do you get down on knee ?
1115717;1430312438;mircea_popescu;"i used to be a pop star but then i took a down to the knee"
1115718;1430312686;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115372 << well, the prepared statements in a notepad / pasted later model is no good!
1115719;1430312686;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 07:28:06; gabriel_laddel: ll try harder next time.
1115720;1430312799;mircea_popescu;I confidently crow to anyone who would listen, those foolish enough to enter my office. And my girlfriend too, who's contractually obligated to pay attention to everything I say. << see, i think i know the kind of contract he's talking/dreaming about. in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114812
1115721;1430312799;assbot;Logged on 28-04-2015 23:15:21; *: ben_vulpes rolls eyes
1115722;1430312868;mircea_popescu;"And, as everyone knows, the best way to get amazing results is to set arbitrary goals without any basis for believing they can be reached. So I set out to search faster than grep by thirty percent." << damned straight. it's exactly how i manage. especially those... contractually obligated, shall we say.
1115723;1430312868;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1115724;1430312927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7739 @ 0.00028444 = 2.2013 BTC [-]
1115725;1430313244;chetty;And my girlfriend too, who's contractually obligated to pay attention to everything I say./// that is so sad
1115726;1430313288;Adlai;mircea_popescu: what?
1115727;1430313299;mircea_popescu;ahhh that great rhoden blog. http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/YahooChatRooms.html
1115728;1430313299;assbot;Yahoo! Chat - A Eulogy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JApwnR )
1115729;1430313320;mircea_popescu;chetty hey, attention is scarce!
1115730;1430313329;mircea_popescu;Adlai random link in log.
1115731;1430313360;*;Adlai doesn't need to watch youtube, that shit goes down all around all year long
1115732;1430313411;mircea_popescu;must suck to live in a rural area.
1115733;1430313418;Adlai;bahaha "may the bits of your hard disk be sorted by value"
1115734;1430313502;mircea_popescu;lol
1115735;1430313521;mircea_popescu;that yahoo thing tho... this is EXACTLY what yahoo was. even had to ban "shit" and "shithead" separately.
1115736;1430313568;mircea_popescu;artifexd http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/go_bloviations.html << maybe somewhat interesting.
1115737;1430313569;assbot;Go Bloviations (Optional Reading) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAq5Oz )
1115738;1430313735;Adlai;ah yes that terrible swear word, Tangobh
1115739;1430313853;mircea_popescu;that's prolly put i nthere special for shooting down ben_vulpes dating attempts in kindergarten.
1115740;1430313903;mircea_popescu;"Put another way, grep sells out its worst case (lots of partial matches) to make the best case (few partial matches) go faster. How treacherous! As this realization dawns on me, the room seemed to grow dim and slip sideways. I look up at the Ultimate Unix Geek, spinning slowly in his padded chair, and I hear his cackle "old age and treachery...", and in his flickering CRT there is a face reflected, but it's my ex girl
1115741;1430313903;mircea_popescu;friend, and the last thing I see before I black out is a patch of yellow cheese powder inside her long tangled beard."
1115742;1430313909;mircea_popescu;epic. i didn't evne know anyone knew :D
1115743;1430314439;mircea_popescu;anyway, not that any of the retards involved in such considerations have the skill or werewithal to get it, but : this is a fine example of privilege in computing.
1115744;1430314490;mircea_popescu;how did "worst case" interest group get to lose 70% so that "best case" interest group can gain 6% ? clearly this was enforced by an opressive, chauvinistic patriarchy which, to bother an irigarayism, "favours the speed of light over other speeds that are much more important to us".
1115745;1430314529;mircea_popescu;and the case of optimized grep is the first and the last word on the matter of "you can not have democratic computing anymore than democratic anything else in this world. it's either good or democratic, pick one."
1115746;1430314606;mircea_popescu;fact remains that raping the poor raw so that the rich can have it slightly better is not only the traditional way to do things back when things were still being done, but actually ~the correct way~.
1115747;1430314643;mircea_popescu;and here comes the doozy : the correct way ~for everyone~!
1115748;1430314683;mircea_popescu;grep is ~overall~ faster for this optimization, or in other words : the downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. step on their faces!
1115749;1430314781;*;asciilifeform notices that mircea_popescu is approaching own level of 'software must die'
1115750;1430314811;mircea_popescu;no, not software. if i wake up to find that slavegirl shat the bed, i'm not going "shit must die"
1115751;1430314817;mircea_popescu;i'm going "you're on the cross young lady!"
1115752;1430314829;mircea_popescu;and you dun wanna be on the cross.
1115753;1430314921;asciilifeform;does this actually happen ?
1115754;1430314930;mircea_popescu;the shitting ?
1115755;1430314931;mircea_popescu;no.
1115756;1430314944;mircea_popescu;the excruciation however, yes. i think you even saw one of the crosses.
1115757;1430314949;asciilifeform;yeah i couldn't help but wonder if some hobby of slavegirls renders them anally incontinent
1115758;1430314956;asciilifeform;as for the whipping posts, those are sop
1115759;1430314967;mircea_popescu;eh that's a myth. anal sex helps continence, doth not reduce it.
1115760;1430315123;davout;asciilifeform: gross
1115761;1430315133;davout;can't unthink
1115762;1430315161;mircea_popescu;wut ?
1115763;1430315178;davout;"some hobby of slavegirls renders them anally incontinent"
1115764;1430315191;mircea_popescu;actually... some hobby of WIVES doth render them anally incontinent
1115765;1430315202;davout;do elaborate
1115766;1430315203;mircea_popescu;but it's brief and blessfully resolves in the hospital.
1115767;1430315210;davout;ah
1115768;1430315211;davout;ic
1115769;1430315211;mircea_popescu;most kids are born with shit in their eyes.
1115770;1430315289;mircea_popescu;davout is all "wtf this doesn't exist. oh THAT. myeah ok, it exists."
1115771;1430315305;mircea_popescu;apparently you CAN unthink ? :D
1115772;1430315348;davout;heh, already heard about it, although thankfully that's not something i've witnessed
1115773;1430315385;asciilifeform;iirc at one point it was fashionable to give the mothers enemas
1115774;1430315396;mircea_popescu;welcome to beartraps & caltrops day on bitcoin-assets. i'll be your lovely host, with the mostly incontinent Sharon Cohen serving as my co-something or the other.
1115775;1430315405;mircea_popescu;or at least, until hse takes a down to the knee.
1115776;1430315478;mircea_popescu;Adlai btw, is ariel sharon totally a girl's name only to my ear ? or is it kinda lulzy in teh medinat too ?
1115777;1430315506;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> the problem here is that we're regressing to the past (srsly, the varnish adventure is so reminiscent of "dos utilities" scene it bleeds) but with much more powerful tools and with much more societal dependency on them. << lamport's article on brokenness+helplessness leading to return to 'voodoo' methods (electronic homeopathy, sympathetic magic, all the way to prayer healing)
1115778;1430315533;*;mircea_popescu has witnessed prayer healing in student quarters.
1115779;1430315564;asciilifeform;works (as other placebocin) on people much better than on machines.
1115780;1430315594;mircea_popescu;"omaigawd i have to finish this by tomorrow because i had three weeks to do it but i was busy until tonight!!111"
1115781;1430315598;Adlai;more common as a girl's name, but it's found as both
1115782;1430315608;mircea_popescu;Adlai but i mean... is it lulzy ?
1115783;1430315615;mircea_popescu;or notrly observable
1115784;1430315630;Adlai;i'd say it's lulzier that the guy just has two first names
1115785;1430315638;mircea_popescu;lol
1115786;1430315638;Adlai;never trust a man with no last name
1115787;1430315654;mircea_popescu;this, btw, is a sign of being a gypsy in romania
1115788;1430315672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00029134 = 2.4764 BTC [+]
1115789;1430315676;asciilifeform;<Adlai> never trust a man with no last name << there's a fella in '80s theoretical comp sci, worked on parallel systems iirc, who was known as simply 'arvind'
1115790;1430315693;mircea_popescu;(mostly through historical accident : gypsy women used as whores throughout middle ages, ended up with kids without actual parentage, got "soft" father's name as it were)
1115791;1430315727;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought modern gypsy has a euro-style plausible first+last for camouflage
1115792;1430315755;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what modern gypsy even is.
1115793;1430315759;mircea_popescu;like modern homosexual.
1115794;1430315767;asciilifeform;sovietized ?
1115795;1430315795;mircea_popescu;mmm... no, colonized. invaded by the tumbler, twitter etc hordes.
1115796;1430315796;asciilifeform;(or prevented from migrating and living with pigs by some other demented ruler)
1115797;1430315810;mircea_popescu;you know, like computing.
1115798;1430315838;asciilifeform;not that computing wasn't invaded, but this is rather like the popular ru explanation for fall of ussr
1115799;1430315845;asciilifeform;'cia saboteurs'
1115800;1430315852;Adlai;"Arvind Mithal (usually referred to as just Arvind)" well we solved that mystery
1115801;1430315858;mircea_popescu;win.
1115802;1430315860;asciilifeform;Adlai is a winner
1115803;1430315869;mircea_popescu;i knew there was a reason i liked him
1115804;1430315892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not saboteurs, it's kids looking for a special identity.
1115805;1430315899;mircea_popescu;"it's not a bullet, it's fumaric acid"
1115806;1430315905;asciilifeform;i'm fairly convinced that these were and are an opportunistic infection
1115807;1430315910;asciilifeform;computing collapsed under own weight.
1115808;1430315918;mircea_popescu;"can i please have the bullet then ?" "uhhh... but we don't make those anymore ? too expensive."
1115809;1430315946;mircea_popescu;nah, imo it's septicemia not aids.
1115810;1430316023;HeySteve;hola
1115811;1430316036;mircea_popescu;hey
1115812;1430316053;HeySteve;haven't been here for ages, how is everyone?
1115813;1430316086;mircea_popescu;nb.
1115814;1430316152;*;Adlai is busy catching up to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-04-2015#1101202
1115815;1430316152;assbot;Logged on 14-04-2015 14:26:51; *: mats is busy working through "The Misbehavior of Markets"
1115816;1430316349;HeySteve;mircea_popescu, do you have an opinion on Uruguay as a place to live?
1115817;1430316402;mircea_popescu;not terribru
1115818;1430316611;Adlai;"Taaki and his sister once broke into an old hotel, stole the bibles from every room, doused them with cleaning fluid, set them on fire, and threw them down a well to see how deep it went. For that, their father never punished them."
1115819;1430316631;mircea_popescu;mmmmmkay ?
1115820;1430316652;Adlai;this is quite a bizarre level of mischief
1115821;1430316701;HeySteve;the homeless hacker
1115822;1430316745;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://three-way-dreamer.tumblr.com/post/96984757094/babygirlssweetsurrender-three-is-good
1115823;1430316747;assbot;Beauty Of Sex ... ( http://bit.ly/1beha6h )
1115824;1430317258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6897 @ 0.00029068 = 2.0048 BTC [-] {2} 
1115825;1430317452;HeySteve;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/how-bitcoin-is-disrupting-argentinas-economy.html?_r=0
1115826;1430317455;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1bejYjS )
1115827;1430317492;mircea_popescu;lmao
1115828;1430317561;scoopbot_revived;News! The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-downtrodden-are-downtrodden-for-a-reason-step-on-their-faces/
1115829;1430317561;assbot;The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bekiPw )
1115830;1430317606;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla might be an idea if assbot ignores scoopbot_revived
1115831;1430317641;kakobrekla;i thought they would be friends but ok
1115832;1430317755;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel "why are the holes not marked or filled?" << ftr this is not what i was contemplating. what I was contemplating is, why the fuck don't defaults pop up. bring back the fucking paperclip, put it the ONE place where it makes fucking sense. "hey john, I see you changed FuckOff() from bool to int. This function is called 82 places in 22 files. Would you like me to a) check all places where it's called and rep
1115833;1430317755;mircea_popescu;ort what I can figure out about the context ? b) iterate you through all locations ? c) change it back ? d) run a trace see what happens ?"
1115834;1430317825;mircea_popescu;the computer's job is NOT to be the fucking master, and make its own decisions a la windows. the computer's job is NOT to be a solipsistic retarded geek and just do its own thing like anal children do.
1115835;1430317853;mircea_popescu;the computer's job is to be a most humbly abject slave, perpetually and consumatedly on its knees following you around, with the dedication and unwavering insistence no dog can summon.
1115836;1430317862;Adlai;aha, the good old C-c C-w C-c
1115837;1430317912;mircea_popescu;Adlai yeah, for that matter emacs does something very close to this, bar one fatal fucking flaw : pull. it should really be push.
1115838;1430317929;mircea_popescu;i don't need to fucking remember to ask it. i can walk away from the terminal if i need some space.
1115839;1430317968;mircea_popescu;i want it to complain to the dev about every.single.problem. EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM. and it must be as a fucking clickbox, in his face.
1115840;1430317988;mircea_popescu;none of this "i'll fix the details later, i'm in the middle of doing sexy work now". fuck you and fuck your "ideas".
1115841;1430318014;mircea_popescu;last time anyone "in computing" had an idea the year prefix was still 1.
1115842;1430318029;davout;mircea_popescu kakobrekla mebbe make scoopbot_revived not mention the title and let assbot handle it?
1115843;1430318046;*;Adlai isn't sure there was a year prefix in those days
1115844;1430318050;mircea_popescu;just dump teh link ?
1115845;1430318065;mircea_popescu;eh, let it be decentralized.
1115846;1430318080;davout;mircea_popescu: sounds like each would do a small and simple job unix philosophy
1115847;1430318102;mircea_popescu;this trivial problem just blew my stack.
1115848;1430318108;mircea_popescu;i confess i have nfi which is the correct approach.
1115849;1430318119;davout;sounds better to remove code from scoopbot rather than add some conditional logic to assbot
1115850;1430318147;*;mircea_popescu steps away slowly and in terror, letting the parties involved decide.
1115851;1430318151;kakobrekla;the thing is that fucking conditional code is already in place as well
1115852;1430318167;kakobrekla;for some other bots
1115853;1430318184;davout;just my two cents
1115854;1430318185;mircea_popescu;i would definitely read the essay discussing the merits of either side. i just realised i actually don't grok this shit.
1115855;1430318225;Adlai;seems parsimonious that in a channel where a bot announces link titles, there's no need to supply them yourself
1115856;1430318231;davout;because then what happens when scoopbot_revived is replaced by scoopbot_x or whatever
1115857;1430318245;kakobrekla;davout you mean again
1115858;1430318247;kakobrekla;:)
1115859;1430318247;mircea_popescu;what happens if assbot dies ? we must lose scoopbot titling too ?
1115860;1430318259;davout;assbot never diez
1115861;1430318266;mircea_popescu;decentralisation contrary to parsimony
1115862;1430318268;mircea_popescu;fancy that.
1115863;1430318315;davout;i'm really too lazy to argue further, i just tend to remove code instead of adding more whenever i can get what i want either of those ways
1115864;1430318324;mircea_popescu;no, i can definitely see your point.
1115865;1430318340;mircea_popescu;what bothers me is that i see no way to either dismiss it, or pick it.
1115866;1430318371;davout;my point?
1115867;1430318376;mircea_popescu;yes,
1115868;1430318391;mircea_popescu;"take it out of scoopbot instead"
1115869;1430318416;davout;I KNOW! LET'S REWRITE SCOOPBOT IN COMMON LISP!
1115870;1430318417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00029619 = 3.2877 BTC [+]
1115871;1430318491;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel "Why isn't there grammer/spellchecking for my comments? " << this i can readily answer. because I am what's called "a creator of language", which is to say one of those people who, through his usage, ENACTS the rules all amateur users of language MUST follow, as a mark of their linguistic inferiority. like fucking shakespeare.
1115872;1430318502;mircea_popescu;and consequently the notion of "spellchecker" is undefined for me.
1115873;1430318531;mircea_popescu;it has nothing to check against, i gotta do it by hand.
1115874;1430318548;mircea_popescu;(and yes editors, which trilema doth employ, send the corrections with "did you mean to X" half the fucking time)
1115875;1430318555;davout;;;calc 70138217/25000
1115876;1430318556;gribble;2805.52868
1115877;1430318661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10234 @ 0.00029627 = 3.032 BTC [+] {2} 
1115878;1430319016;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115386 << dawg, go make a web server i can use, who's keeping you!!11
1115879;1430319016;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 07:30:19; gabriel_laddel: Just trying to point MP at something
1115880;1430319076;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115395 << fancy that! and i spent eight hours massaging apache and varnish into wortking together, only to discover that about 10% of the time, IP fields were reliably replaced with random data form the session.
1115881;1430319076;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 07:33:47; gabriel_laddel: I'll note that I wrote a prototype for the RPC described above - ran into an issue with TCP or the library I was using it from. Messages were disappearing in flight.
1115882;1430319094;mircea_popescu;we're like brothers off the same mother over here. and check out how variant the fathers!
1115883;1430319101;mircea_popescu;i suppose we should go beat her up, stupid fucking whore.
1115884;1430319166;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115401 < bwahahaha
1115885;1430319166;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 07:35:59; gabriel_laddel: Portage has a USE flag (what is that? Idk, some nonsense abstraction) for docs so you can tell it to build all docs, but it gets caught in cyclic dependencies atm.
1115886;1430319271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00029677 = 3.6799 BTC [+] {2} 
1115887;1430319617;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> the computer's job is NOT to be the fucking master, and make its own decisions a la windows. the computer's job is NOT to be a solipsistic retarded geek and just do its own thing like anal children do ...  the computer's job is to be a most humbly abject slave, perpetually and consumatedly on its knees following you around, with the dedication and unwavering insistence no dog can summon << obligatory http://ww
1115888;1430319618;asciilifeform;w.loper-os.org/?p=284
1115889;1430319628;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115422 << this, i will point out, is in no way related to any inherent property of either (unless you mean lisp is inherently going to fail), but simply a function of context. had the linux kernel been implemented in sclb, and had the past 20 years been spent with scbl being "the cool language", you'd be having zhe pronouns and assorted idiocy to the tune of > 10 mn lines
1115890;1430319628;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 07:42:58; gabriel_laddel: ~398k LoC vs. >14 million
1115891;1430319628;mircea_popescu; in scbl, and c would be what c was in the 70s. ie, coupla hundred k's.
1115892;1430319705;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> it has nothing to check against, i gotta do it by hand. << you can edit the dict you know
1115893;1430319721;mircea_popescu;except my usage is np
1115894;1430319744;mircea_popescu;there isn't a way to write a program that can import a dict and fix my grammar.
1115895;1430319754;asciilifeform;grammar no
1115896;1430319754;mircea_popescu;and if I write the dict, there isn't a way to write a program that can import it at all.
1115897;1430319759;asciilifeform;orthograph yes
1115898;1430319767;mircea_popescu;nope.
1115899;1430319788;mircea_popescu;trilema is filled with examples : i spell this the french way this time for stylistic reasons. what now ?
1115900;1430319810;mircea_popescu;what do you do if i say differance once ?
1115901;1430319821;asciilifeform;limited use case for orthograph checker - pick up turds that are solely from finger slippage
1115902;1430319827;mircea_popescu;this spellchecker underlines it. nevertheless... diffrance
1115903;1430319837;mircea_popescu;but that does not actually do the job does it.
1115904;1430319848;*;asciilifeform confesses to being largely innocent of auto language checking paraphernalia
1115905;1430319854;*;asciilifeform uses own meat
1115906;1430319861;mircea_popescu;metoo. but i also know why.
1115907;1430319864;mircea_popescu;deliberately innocent.
1115908;1430319871;asciilifeform;well yes deliberately
1115909;1430319932;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> ... and had the past 20 years been spent with scbl being "the cool language", you'd be having zhe pronouns and assorted idiocy to the tune of > 10 mn lines << the whole 'k00l d00dz' phenomenon begins from broken systems, though there is a feedback loop
1115910;1430319955;asciilifeform;when there is -nothing- for an idiot kid to do - the damage isn't done.
1115911;1430319972;mircea_popescu;it does not. it drives broken systems, as naggum explains : http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#footnote_6_53927
1115912;1430319973;assbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ink4TS )
1115913;1430319976;asciilifeform;but when there is plethora of loose ends and misfeatures - plenty
1115914;1430320002;mircea_popescu;the incentives are badly alligned, and the habit of beating children (a subcase of, oppressing the oppressed FOR THE REASON that they're already oppressed) went out
1115915;1430320026;mircea_popescu;but THIS is what the utility of that ancient "horror' and "unexplainable ancient cruelty" was : it kept this very significant problem of badly alligned incentives in check.
1115916;1430320153;asciilifeform;as pictured in, e.g., mircea_popescu's article 'art of punishment' (ro?)
1115917;1430320167;mircea_popescu;i think i translated it.
1115918;1430320184;mircea_popescu;in any case : the mechanism im contemplating is this
1115919;1430320225;mircea_popescu;a) idiot interacts with system ; b) idiot forms malformed internal representation of system ; c) sane person has no incentive to fix b) ; d) system evolves ~always~ to match its representations.
1115920;1430320256;mircea_popescu;this is unresolvable, except if one actually and deliberately enacts the positive feedback loop of "torture those in pain, beat those with welts on their body" etc.
1115921;1430320290;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity
1115922;1430320296;mircea_popescu;ayup.
1115923;1430320305;asciilifeform;*opening wound
1115924;1430320316;mircea_popescu;if this mechanism is correct, then it follows that yes, the only reason gabriel_laddel thinks much of scbl is that no one else does.
1115925;1430320327;mircea_popescu;much like how this place is readable PRECISELY because it's not facebook or w/e.
1115926;1430320343;mircea_popescu;which has been an early theoretical proposition which we've so far been verifying.
1115927;1430320491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6303 @ 0.00029781 = 1.8771 BTC [+]
1115928;1430320514;mircea_popescu;in any case, it is perfectly wrong to imagine scbl has the magical quality of magical quality (and then move on once the horde shows it trivially breaks). for one thing, c was a very intellectually respectable thing, back when i was a kid.
1115929;1430320519;mircea_popescu;of course, that was before C#
1115930;1430320819;jurov;yea, it was respectable when compiler was less clever than programmer
1115931;1430320836;mircea_popescu;i wonder if that's what it was.
1115932;1430320843;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.01 << what sort of great moment is this!
1115933;1430321040;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [13:23] that's prolly put i nthere special for shooting down ben_vulpes dating attempts in kindergarten. << i dun get it
1115934;1430321057;mircea_popescu;tango ? yahoo chat ? 80s ?
1115935;1430321113;ben_vulpes;nope still not computing
1115936;1430321162;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: great moment shall come on me lunch break.
1115937;1430321164;asciilifeform;l0l
1115938;1430321167;mircea_popescu;the string "tango" was for ununderstood reasons banned on a very popular (among the females) chat application of the 80s, at a time you'rew supposed to have been in kindergarten.
1115939;1430321180;*;asciilifeform promises to wake up mircea_popescu for great moment(tm)
1115940;1430321183;mircea_popescu;it is humorously posited that this is the very explanation : they were trying to crimp your style specifically.
1115941;1430321248;mircea_popescu;"you're supposed to have been", jesus who the fuck came up with english grammar. "o i know, we'll save on predicative modes!!1"
1115942;1430321261;ben_vulpes;finding tango partners online is like 1/1000000th as good a use of time as finding bdsm partners
1115943;1430321278;mircea_popescu;everything worked better on yahoo chat
1115944;1430321279;mircea_popescu;:D
1115945;1430321302;mircea_popescu;heck, even md5!
1115946;1430321465;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [00:54] how the everliving fuck is cpanel used with anything other than php/static wwwtron << fwiw asciilifeform i went through a very similar saga on a very similar popescuian box. i just thought that "this was how things were supposed to be" and labored in silence.
1115947;1430321486;mircea_popescu;didja get anywhere ?
1115948;1430321488;ben_vulpes;probably how you derp around the machine shop
1115949;1430321504;ben_vulpes;yeah, the thing ran, and well if you recall.
1115950;1430321514;mircea_popescu;aha. well that puts you ahead of alf :D
1115951;1430321531;mircea_popescu;at any rate, THIS is why i ask people "well, can you do it on a cpanel box" well before.
1115952;1430321596;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115501 << this distinction only exists as a manifestation of the speaker's cluelessness, otherwise military logic is perfectly logical.
1115953;1430321596;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 08:01:08; *: Adlai always found "business logic" reminiscent of "military logic" in the necessity of distinguishing it from plain simple old "logic"
1115954;1430321599;mircea_popescu;in the c way of logic.
1115955;1430321647;mircea_popescu;ie, "you go design a better army and a better war over there with your wooden horse, toy sword and military costume, while we're gonna beat these assholes over here"
1115956;1430321707;mircea_popescu;paulgraham.com fucking autoreloads itself wtf spammy idiocy is this.
1115957;1430322024;mircea_popescu;"Confirmation can be tricky depending on what you mean by it. Its trivially true but most people understand it to be interrupting confirmation. Which is egregiously  reprehensible. Despicable even."
1115958;1430322026;mircea_popescu;ahahaha.
1115959;1430322035;mircea_popescu;fuck you and click the boxen, "creative" boi
1115960;1430322321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00029923 = 2.2442 BTC [+]
1115961;1430322432;davout;mircea_popescu: s/différance/différence/
1115962;1430322471;mircea_popescu;mno.
1115963;1430322486;mircea_popescu;that being, amusingly enough, exactly the point.
1115964;1430322545;davout;ah that was on purpose frenchified english
1115965;1430322557;mircea_popescu;mno. it works in french too.
1115966;1430322581;mircea_popescu;the reason "diffrance" exists is (in the context of our discussion) exactly to show that the spellchecker problem is np
1115967;1430322648;davout;from what I find it's a neologism from jacques derrida
1115968;1430322673;mircea_popescu;it's a production of derrida working on husserl, yes.
1115969;1430322804;mircea_popescu;(this may be a polichinelle's secret for which everyone here just happens to be polichinelle, but : the history of discussion, problems and criticism of languages as approached by IT types almost exactly mirrors a very similar effort in teh humanities)
1115970;1430322844;mircea_popescu;that either side is generally ignorant of the equivalencies is nothing short of hysterical, but hey. "specialisation drives performance", i'm told.
1115971;1430323701;mats;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/how-bitcoin-is-disrupting-argentinas-economy.html << lol
1115972;1430323704;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1dsYrWg )
1115973;1430323717;mats;special appearance by brendafdez
1115974;1430324353;BingoBoingo;"The hardest part was often reaching Fernndez and Castiglione. I had to call Brenda four times today, she said with a smile." << lol
1115975;1430324678;mod6;asciilifeform: I'm just trying to put together the monthy address; In one to three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss?
1115976;1430324681;mod6;!up asciilifeform
1115977;1430324687;mod6;!up ascii_field
1115978;1430324692;ascii_field;danke mod6
1115979;1430324695;mod6;np
1115980;1430324816;jurov;mod6 i can explain, too. to support different configurations for DNS/users/whatever resolving without glibc recompilation and without interprocess communication
1115981;1430324834;jurov;the libnss was done as binary plugin to glibc
1115982;1430324848;jurov;and whole mechanism is non-optional
1115983;1430324857;mod6;ok maybe that's the part I was missing - how libnss is somehow tied to glibc.
1115984;1430324864;jurov;thus truly statical compilation of glibc is impossbile
1115985;1430324892;mod6;so libnss is dynamically compiled and built/linked to glibc, and can not be avoided?
1115986;1430324895;ascii_field;!s libnss
1115987;1430324896;assbot;7 results for 'libnss' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=libnss
1115988;1430324896;jurov;(and btw, it's different from mozilla's libnss)
1115989;1430324899;mircea_popescu;~whether one even uses libnss or not~!
1115990;1430324904;ascii_field;or is log still b0rk3d
1115991;1430324916;ascii_field;and no, nothing to do with the mozilla one
1115992;1430324925;mod6;it's not broke from the web-perspective.  i've just read so much stuff that I've confused myself.
1115993;1430324933;jurov;iirc alf avoided it somehow, while throwing out all DNS stuff, too
1115994;1430324949;mod6;is that releated to his patch that removes the dns stuff?
1115995;1430324949;ascii_field;jurov: the dependency vanishes if you remove -all- instances of host lookup
1115996;1430324970;ascii_field;the patch, note, did not remove all (there is a 'what is my ip' thing in there )
1115997;1430325013;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html << this?
1115998;1430325014;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dt5z5c )
1115999;1430325025;ascii_field;aha
1116000;1430325038;ascii_field;note, written prior to the discovery of the libnss thing
1116001;1430325058;mod6;ok, so that helps us going forward then.
1116002;1430325069;mod6;yup, noted.
1116003;1430325113;mod6;we were on track at that point to try to cut a milestone.  but just about that time is when we hit the tx validation problem in 168`000 ; I think your patch just got lost in the shuffle.
1116004;1430325122;mod6;:/
1116005;1430325169;mod6;Anyway, going forward, we've got something to work around this issue.  So, thanks for that.
1116006;1430325236;mod6;<+ascii_field> the patch, note, did not remove all (there is a 'what is my ip' thing in there ) << ah, i recall.  ok and this is what initiated the conversation about SHA256 addy's as opposd to dotted quads right?
1116007;1430325444;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> ~whether one even uses libnss or not~! << so even if we didn't even call "whatsMyIP()" or w/e it is, this would still be a dingleberry attached to glibc.
1116008;1430325447;mod6;?
1116009;1430325512;mod6;Anyway, thanks guise.  I think that helps me clear a few things up.
1116010;1430325520;ascii_field;mod6: go build 'helloworld' and see if it stays depended
1116011;1430325522;ascii_field;(it doesn't)
1116012;1430325606;mircea_popescu;mod6 what i mean is, for as long as you use any sort of function touched, whether you yourself use any of the libnss "functionality" or not, its gonna be there
1116013;1430325618;ascii_field;mircea_popescu has it
1116014;1430325630;mod6;ok got it.
1116015;1430325674;mircea_popescu;you can't go "oh i don't use libnss anyway". you probably are.
1116016;1430326392;mod6;<+jurov> the libnss was done as binary plugin to glibc << so there is no possible way to just build glibc by hand and not include libnss?  or there are basically so many things that use libnss that even if you did, stuff wouldn't work anyway?
1116017;1430326423;jurov;i haven't explored it to that depth
1116018;1430326447;mircea_popescu;mod6 building glibcc "by hand" is not the trivial taks you make it out.
1116019;1430326459;mircea_popescu;piles of crud in there.
1116020;1430326459;scoopbot_revived;News! The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VII URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-vii/
1116021;1430326460;assbot;The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VII on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtdHCF )
1116022;1430326470;mod6;im sure it's not.  just was sort of thinking about it in some context of "roll your own environment"
1116023;1430326534;mircea_popescu;yeah but then you end up with something that works for you
1116024;1430326543;mircea_popescu;and then... x person says this doesn't work. what now ?
1116025;1430326552;mod6;and only on your machine.
1116026;1430326554;mod6;ok right.
1116027;1430326563;mircea_popescu;i mean i am all for a cannonical b-a stack
1116028;1430326567;mod6;since this discussion, im gonna go back and re-read these logs.
1116029;1430326575;mircea_popescu;but it can't be started from the glibc i don't think. that's the middle.
1116030;1430326660;mod6;sure.
1116031;1430326671;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115595 << is your complaint the lack of koolaid in this place ?!
1116032;1430326671;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 08:33:16; gabriel_laddel: I'm simply of the opinion that our current platform (irc) is too barbaric and doesn't force enough shared context upon us to do anything interesting. Any sort of shared vision or whatever gets watered down into discussions like the above.
1116033;1430326717;mircea_popescu;there's a balance to be had between "shared context" and "mass hysteria". a meeting of autonomous minds is one of the very best ways to achieve that balance.
1116034;1430326724;mircea_popescu;barbaric, perhaps, but kingly for sure, this irc.
1116035;1430326756;mircea_popescu;so love thy cycles, for they are a supreme good.
1116036;1430326807;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115605 << because you don't have a blog. get a blog.
1116037;1430326807;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 08:36:13; gabriel_laddel: why?
1116038;1430326835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28411 @ 0.00029941 = 8.5065 BTC [+] {3} 
1116039;1430326932;mod6;!up ascii_field
1116040;1430326957;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/30197ce3b8a2aa706dd3913040a1c838/tumblr_n9lah9zqCj1sfkfqio1_1280.jpg << the best thing in unix is the pipe.
1116041;1430326959;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgNImX )
1116042;1430326986;ascii_field;l0l!
1116043;1430327040;mod6;haha, is that a reverse-stocks of somesort?
1116044;1430327078;mircea_popescu;well... plenty of subjects are actually rather cooperative, which makes the instruments more... ergonomic.
1116045;1430327101;mod6;ah, i see.
1116046;1430327119;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115613 << dude srsly. GET A BLOG ALREADY.
1116047;1430327119;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 08:38:32; gabriel_laddel: "I need the ability to publish a unit of research as an interactive program containing all information used to draw my conclusions. It shall be entirely and trivially modifiable, extensible, and if reproducing the research is possible on this machine, running the program shall be a single click or procedure call away. WYSIWYG tools shall be included and fashioned from the precepts of geometry. Thus, 
1116048;1430327123;mircea_popescu;this is EXACTLY what a blog is.
1116049;1430327163;trinque;I was drunk enough to deal with him at the time :D
1116050;1430327185;trinque;mircea_popescu: yes html does sort of what he's talking about
1116051;1430327194;mircea_popescu;not "html". blogs specifically.
1116052;1430327208;trinque;ah
1116053;1430327211;mircea_popescu;i have the fucking body of research all published, which is why i can always link
1116054;1430327234;trinque;indeed
1116055;1430327234;mircea_popescu;he's sitting over there going "hmm.... i would need something like a tube... but with fins on it... yeah that's right, two large fins..."
1116056;1430327240;mircea_popescu;derp. ITS CALLED A PLANE!
1116057;1430327248;trinque;this is the guy working on a distro?
1116058;1430327256;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1116059;1430327269;trinque;"tits or gtfo" as far as that goes
1116060;1430327323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00029732 = 2.7353 BTC [-] {2} 
1116061;1430327334;mircea_popescu;obviously what's blinding him to this is the expectations that machines could process it. this trivially can never be the case.
1116062;1430327397;mircea_popescu;"Attend our Remote coding school for as little as $2,780." omfg wtf.
1116063;1430327430;mats;http://www.eurexchange.com/exchange-en/products/int/fix/government-bonds/Euro-Bund-Futures/14770
1116064;1430327431;assbot;Eurex - Euro-Bund Futures ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgQl8g )
1116065;1430327437;mats;euro debt having a bad day
1116066;1430327463;mats;http://www.eurexchange.com/exchange-en/products/int/fix/government-bonds/Euro-Bobl-Futures/15644
1116067;1430327465;assbot;Eurex - Euro-Bobl Futures ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgQvfG )
1116068;1430327515;mircea_popescu;"The studious will note that this is a completely solved problem that no machine learning algorithm will be able to approximate anytime soon." i'm sorry...what ? solved how ?
1116069;1430327522;mircea_popescu;and why the fuck am i referencing pastebins.
1116070;1430327541;mircea_popescu;mats yeh eurozone is benefiting from "russian sanctions"
1116071;1430327628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.0016007 = 1.6007 BTC [-]
1116072;1430327743;mats;got ma popcorn ready
1116073;1430327907;mircea_popescu;" When the "people" of earth finally get the message that brainpower is the limiting regent in life they'll soon start to change their tune - or find themselves living in a ~leper colony/africa." << this is not how things work
1116074;1430327920;mircea_popescu;"when water stops being wet it'll suddenly seek dryness". sure. wut ?
1116075;1430328046;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115624 << prolly should go with frank the ditch
1116076;1430328046;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 08:40:59; assbot: DNA/Frank The Vandal ... ( http://bit.ly/1zcsgnS )
1116077;1430328140;vhost-;Adlai: haha
1116078;1430328509;*;mircea_popescu 's dislike of Douglas Adams slowly solidifies.
1116079;1430328605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0002962 = 1.7772 BTC [-]
1116080;1430328871;williamdunne;;;later tell kakobrekla would it be possible for w.b-a.link/some/parameters to return valid JSON?
1116081;1430328871;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1116082;1430329012;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115645 << lmao
1116083;1430329012;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 10:25:18; punkman: also, cab driver: "check out the hottie over there" *honks* "oh shit that was my cousin. damn she lost a lot of weight"
1116084;1430329191;mircea_popescu;# history | grep -c "reboot"
1116085;1430329191;mircea_popescu;6
1116086;1430329196;mircea_popescu;check out the windows developer over here.
1116087;1430329240;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1116088;1430329253;ascii_field;motherfucking rc.local doesn't run on boot in this ver of rathead
1116089;1430329261;mircea_popescu;must be the cpanel.
1116090;1430329270;ascii_field;lsdpanel
1116091;1430329336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3629 @ 0.00029631 = 1.0753 BTC [+] {2} 
1116092;1430329702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.00169179 = 1.6918 BTC [+] {9} 
1116093;1430329729;ascii_field;http://hackingdude.com/2015/04/29/wordpress-zero-day-vulnerability/
1116094;1430329730;assbot;WordPress Zero Day Vulnerability - Hacking Dude  Hacking Dude ... ( http://bit.ly/1P76N1H )
1116095;1430329768;jurov;williamdunne: you mean w.b-a.link/trust/some/else/json? yes that could return {} instead of "no data"
1116096;1430329788;williamdunne;jurov: Yeah that'd work perfectly
1116097;1430329800;williamdunne;Basically some way to get json on the trust between two people
1116098;1430329813;trinque;ascii_field: ouch
1116099;1430330355;jurov;williamdunne: but in cases where ther is data, it works
1116100;1430330395;williamdunne;Oh wow
1116101;1430330400;williamdunne;Missed that one
1116102;1430330415;williamdunne;!up scooptest
1116103;1430330547;scoopbot_revived;News! Scoop Test URL: http://thethug.life/scoop-test/
1116104;1430330548;assbot;Scoop Test — Lego Under the Giant's Feet ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtBkLw )
1116105;1430330683;williamdunne;!up scooptest
1116106;1430330762;danielpbarron;!up mhagelstrom
1116107;1430330762;scooptest;The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VII http://trilema.com/feed/rss/
1116108;1430330765;scooptest;The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! http://trilema.com/feed/rss/
1116109;1430330787;mircea_popescu;"The vulnerability affects the WordPress versions 3.9.3, 4.1.1, 4.1.2, and the latest WordPress version 4.2."
1116110;1430330787;scooptest;The sad story of me sniffing varnish http://trilema.com/feed/rss/
1116111;1430330790;mircea_popescu;2.x immune.
1116112;1430330790;scooptest;Chtulhu emerges! http://trilema.com/feed/rss/
1116113;1430330791;williamdunne;Welp, thats not ideal
1116114;1430330791;scooptest;What amused me today http://trilema.com/feed/rss/
1116115;1430330819;mircea_popescu;"Moreover, Pynnonen reported the vulnerability to the WordPress team but they refused all communication attempts he made since November 2014." heh
1116116;1430330820;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfxl0-sgJE0
1116117;1430330821;assbot;Fox 10 And Friends - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtCCWD )
1116118;1430330821;mircea_popescu;"no ddos possible
1116119;1430330947;ascii_field;l0l guess who else isn't affected.
1116120;1430330955;ascii_field;(for same reason as mircea_popescu)
1116121;1430330959;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah.
1116122;1430330980;mhagelstrom;I guess I can talk now
1116123;1430330983;mircea_popescu;see, the exact thing happening in bitcoin, where the power rangers fell off the curve, happened long ago to wordpress.
1116124;1430331004;mircea_popescu;the notion that their "latest" is used or relevant is teh lulz.
1116125;1430331010;mircea_popescu;mhagelstrom and who might you be ?
1116126;1430331061;jurov;!up ascii_field
1116127;1430331062;scoopbot_revived;News! Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/tsinghua-university-creates-a-digital-assets-research-initiative/
1116128;1430331063;assbot;Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtDSJk )
1116129;1430331241;mircea_popescu;mhagelstrom  PGP: 548A 84F8 60CF E0AB EA11 A2BA 4D34 0126 F402 0636 ?
1116130;1430331256;davout;BingoBoingo: s/heals/heels/
1116131;1430331279;mhagelstrom;mircea_popescu yes that is me
1116132;1430331289;mircea_popescu;aite, go register it with assbot
1116133;1430331289;BingoBoingo;dammit, fxd
1116134;1430331291;mircea_popescu;!h
1116135;1430331291;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1116136;1430331332;mhagelstrom;mircea_popescu that is my public key
1116137;1430331338;mircea_popescu;right.
1116138;1430331653;mircea_popescu;in the strange news line, http://www.perfil.com/sociedad/El-misterio-de-una-chica-que-estuvo-16-horas-desaparecida-20141107-0053.html
1116139;1430331658;assbot;El misterio de una chica que estuvo 16 horas desaparecida ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtGI0W )
1116140;1430331970;mircea_popescu;ascii_field load average: 0.40, 0.54, 0.30 what speed is that ?
1116141;1430331987;ascii_field;mircea_popescu has nothing better to do ?
1116142;1430332000;ascii_field;srsly
1116143;1430332002;mircea_popescu;shuddup i'm sysadmining :D
1116144;1430332100;*;mircea_popescu is really curious what gcd over rsa keys actually looks like in terms of resource consumption.
1116145;1430332110;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is also invited to read the src
1116146;1430332118;ascii_field;which happens to be sitting there
1116147;1430332145;mircea_popescu;apparently i just got rebooted outta da box!
1116148;1430332155;*;ascii_field presently trying to discover why the fucker runs from anywhere -other- than crontab
1116149;1430332159;mircea_popescu;anyway, off to eat, will flyplow with this more later.
1116150;1430332164;ascii_field;and 'internal server error' otherwise
1116151;1430332226;mircea_popescu;uh
1116152;1430332235;*;ascii_field thinks he discovered reason
1116153;1430332255;ascii_field;when phuctor coldboots it regens the product over the moduli
1116154;1430332261;ascii_field;(which is kept in ram at all times)
1116155;1430332273;ascii_field;this locks db
1116156;1430332294;ascii_field;or hm, apparently not
1116157;1430332328;*;ascii_field discovers that he was not this retarded when having written the thing
1116158;1430332375;mircea_popescu;you know ~why~ it's kinda exciting to watch this, right ?
1116159;1430332381;ascii_field;l0l
1116160;1430332463;ascii_field;found idiocy, will describe later if anyone gives a shit
1116161;1430332573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00030068 = 1.3681 BTC [+]
1116162;1430332574;scoopbot_revived;News! X.EUR July 23rd 2014 statement URL: http://fr.anco.is/2014/x-eur-july-23rd-2014-statement/
1116163;1430332611;davout;scoopbot_revived: totally news yo
1116164;1430332623;mod6;heheh
1116165;1430332635;*;davout doesn't quite get why ascii_field is so deep in cpanhell
1116166;1430332639;mod6;did they hassle you about the meat?
1116167;1430332649;ascii_field;davout: was
1116168;1430332657;davout;mod6: nope, should have brought moar back
1116169;1430332663;mod6;nice
1116170;1430332674;davout;ascii_field: so you're done or you switched to something else?
1116171;1430332825;ascii_field;davout: mircea_popescu had the box decrufted
1116172;1430332861;ascii_field;davout: just now i took a moment to set up on that box, and ran into a few boojums
1116173;1430332885;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1116174;1430332922;jurov;not so long ago, i have found alf a box, he declined. now he has to take whetever there is.
1116175;1430332931;ascii_field;jurov wanted me to pay money, l0l
1116176;1430332941;mircea_popescu;omfg its a great box what!
1116177;1430332952;jurov;s.nsa is not your money
1116178;1430332970;ascii_field;jurov: i don't deal in monotonic guaranteed trips to penury
1116179;1430333044;mats;lol
1116180;1430333053;mats;such drama
1116181;1430333061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7409 @ 0.00030068 = 2.2277 BTC [-]
1116182;1430333086;ascii_field;anyway it works...
1116183;1430333090;mircea_popescu;no ?!
1116184;1430333098;jurov;i invested 100BTC into s.nsa.. to see penury mentioned in relation to ordinary business expenses?
1116185;1430333101;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i haven't moved the domain yet
1116186;1430333121;mircea_popescu;jurov he really doesnt wanna spend moneyz.
1116187;1430333134;jurov;i'm at loss of words.
1116188;1430333134;ascii_field;jurov: i'll refresh memory for ancient thread. mircea_popescu has it - i refuse to add recurring expenses when there is no revenue.
1116189;1430333140;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i meant just the churning, is it going ?
1116190;1430333141;ascii_field;this is what 'monotonic trip to the basement' means
1116191;1430333158;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it will churn if you submit a new key or req retest of an existing key
1116192;1430333158;scoopbot_revived;News! Scoop Testr URL: http://thethug.life/retrial/
1116193;1430333159;assbot;Scoop Testr — Lego Under the Giant's Feet ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtNC6t )
1116194;1430333160;ascii_field;as specced
1116195;1430333167;mircea_popescu;jurov i can see it, can't go out of business by not spending.
1116196;1430333168;jurov;so shut up and eat cpanel
1116197;1430333181;mircea_popescu;it;s just a plain centos dood.
1116198;1430333183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8697 @ 0.00029613 = 2.5754 BTC [-]
1116199;1430333191;ascii_field;jurov: l0l that was last night's thing. today we have normal box. which i just finished setting up.
1116200;1430333193;ascii_field;correctly.
1116201;1430333214;mircea_popescu;i'll go through the correct centos and poke fun at engineer later.
1116202;1430333242;ascii_field;anyway it works. time to move the dns
1116203;1430333379;jurov;williamdunne: scoopbot_revived is not cloaked
1116204;1430333388;williamdunne;jurov: Never has been
1116205;1430333443;mircea_popescu;williamdunne yo ugettingflooded ?
1116206;1430333454;williamdunne;Nope, not yet anyway
1116207;1430333508;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: dns switched over, will propagate eventually
1116208;1430333518;ascii_field;happy phuctoring, fellas.
1116209;1430333535;mircea_popescu;so mebbe i dun understand something, but wasn't it going to process the however many gb archive ?
1116210;1430333542;jurov;what was the url?
1116211;1430333543;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: when i pump it in!
1116212;1430333555;mircea_popescu;o you plan todo over http ?
1116213;1430333570;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes, as a kind of torture test. anyone should be able to do this
1116214;1430333576;ascii_field;without talking to me
1116215;1430333579;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1116216;1430333597;mircea_popescu;i imagined it's just gonna get done locally for expediency. but hey, tests are great.
1116217;1430333602;ascii_field;i'm about to switch off the old one
1116218;1430333609;mircea_popescu;anyway, THATs why i kept asking.
1116219;1430333615;ascii_field;aaaaahahahaha
1116220;1430333616;ascii_field;l0l
1116221;1430333626;mircea_popescu;well... that and ... other reasons.
1116222;1430333655;ascii_field;woah 535 day uptime.
1116223;1430333667;mircea_popescu;jurov http://nosuchlabs.com/
1116224;1430333667;assbot;Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwS1g5 )
1116225;1430333678;ascii_field;except not propagated yet
1116226;1430333705;jurov;i see archive.today (195.211.154.159), that's the old one?
1116227;1430333714;ascii_field;new
1116228;1430333719;mircea_popescu;;; ANSWER SECTION:
1116229;1430333720;mircea_popescu;nosuchlabs.com.1800INA195.211.154.159
1116230;1430333720;gribble;Error: "ANSWER" is not a valid command.
1116231;1430333732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6676 @ 0.00029616 = 1.9772 BTC [+]
1116232;1430333753;mircea_popescu;welcome to the year not being 2005 anymore, ya know ?
1116233;1430333759;mircea_popescu;dns propagation's a minute nowadays.
1116234;1430333769;ascii_field;l0l wut
1116235;1430333793;*;ascii_field prepares voodoo curse for 'namecheap'
1116236;1430333805;jurov;heh
1116237;1430333828;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly someone should make a decent registrar
1116238;1430333834;mircea_popescu;o wait, we're obsoleting dns huh. nm.
1116239;1430333840;mod6;:]
1116240;1430333846;ascii_field;'decent registrar' is like 'decent gasenwagen'
1116241;1430333858;ascii_field;existing ones are 'decent' from perspective of usg et al.
1116242;1430333893;jurov;just compile namecoin into libnss.so :DDDD
1116243;1430333895;mircea_popescu;is .fuck taken anyway ? or .cunt ?
1116244;1430333908;mircea_popescu;http://beer.cunt
1116245;1430333969;mircea_popescu;Submissions: 3930  Known Moduli: 6642
1116246;1430334005;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: propagated on your end?
1116247;1430334010;ascii_field;over here - no
1116248;1430334014;mircea_popescu;ascii_field Click here (big!)  << could be replaced with Click here (28588 digits) ?
1116249;1430334027;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yes, its what i said above. and you're probably just caching locally.
1116250;1430334033;mircea_popescu;dump the cache it'll respond correctly.
1116251;1430334163;jurov;http://nosuchlabs.com/static/prod.txt would deserve some spiffy visualization...any mathematician with idea?
1116252;1430334166;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtQTmm )
1116253;1430334223;mircea_popescu;ya srsly.
1116254;1430334305;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if you're reading the thing, you will notice there are two processes (one which actually does the work, 'werker'.)
1116255;1430334702;ascii_field;finally propagated here
1116256;1430334807;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1116257;1430334891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15175 @ 0.00029562 = 4.486 BTC [-] {3} 
1116258;1430334915;mircea_popescu;well im sitting on top, so.
1116259;1430334926;mircea_popescu;all ready over here :D
1116260;1430334931;ascii_field;aha worx
1116261;1430334966;ascii_field;next when i get a moment i'ma cook up a proper jinxed keypair
1116262;1430334972;mircea_popescu;nono
1116263;1430334978;mircea_popescu;just dump the db in plox
1116264;1430334978;ascii_field;because the 'under construction' thing is disgraceful
1116265;1430335009;ascii_field;and naturally will dump db in
1116266;1430335025;mircea_popescu;i wanna see if this'll actually work practically or not for the purpose.
1116267;1430335420;mircea_popescu;Error: Was that really a GPG public key? Try again.
1116268;1430335421;mircea_popescu;ahem
1116269;1430335444;ascii_field;lol wut
1116270;1430335447;ascii_field;who?
1116271;1430335448;mircea_popescu;ascii_field doesn't seem to work
1116272;1430335454;ascii_field;dpaste plz
1116273;1430335456;mircea_popescu;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x454B0FC0BC07B87E for instance.
1116274;1430335457;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0x454b0fc0bc07b87e " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwWTSj )
1116275;1430335466;mircea_popescu;nor http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x59C93F63549036BD
1116276;1430335467;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0x59c93f63549036bd " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwWXkX )
1116277;1430335502;ascii_field;wtf
1116278;1430335521;mircea_popescu;must be teh cpanel
1116279;1430335525;ascii_field;l0l
1116280;1430335542;mircea_popescu;lol
1116281;1430335557;cazalla;anyone know what's going on here - http://dpaste.com/3D4ZXZR.txt
1116282;1430335558;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwXbZu )
1116283;1430335575;trinque;bad disk?
1116284;1430335590;mircea_popescu;cazalla bad index
1116285;1430335607;mircea_popescu;looks like typical bitcoind that was shut down suddenly
1116286;1430335627;cazalla;been running fine for a while but now, same problems i had a few months back :\
1116287;1430335672;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2785 << sometimes it fixes itself :D
1116288;1430335673;assbot;ChainState DB uncorrupted itself · Issue #2785 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwXrHN )
1116289;1430335735;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: some serious strange. those keys work on my local box's phuctor, identical sourceball
1116290;1430335761;mircea_popescu;ascii_field prolly http posting fuckx them up
1116291;1430335767;ascii_field;nono
1116292;1430335773;ascii_field;likewise http
1116293;1430335778;ascii_field;running copy of the thing locally
1116294;1430335814;mircea_popescu;differnet http stacks eh. you running centos locally ?
1116295;1430335822;ascii_field;course not
1116296;1430335831;mircea_popescu;what, you expect things to just work ?
1116297;1430335850;mircea_popescu;the internet's not a truck, where yo ucan just dump stuff you know!
1116298;1430335863;*;ascii_field begins to drool, like the flea-bitten characters in film 'city of lost children'
1116299;1430335921;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Series_of_Tubes_-_Senator_Ted_Stevens.ogg
1116300;1430335922;assbot;File:Series of Tubes - Senator Ted Stevens.ogg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwY5oI )
1116301;1430336053;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--WA-gckbI--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/enneopevmant8ohbidxa.gif
1116302;1430336055;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwYlEa )
1116303;1430336115;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it doesn't eat any key, lol
1116304;1430336121;ascii_field;motherfuckers.
1116305;1430336126;mircea_popescu;yep won't even see mine
1116306;1430336128;mircea_popescu;tho it's in db
1116307;1430336136;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what is that ?
1116308;1430336150;mircea_popescu;ascii_field maybe if i install varnish ?
1116309;1430336185;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He's flipping the ball into the stands for the fans... Who aren't there because Baltimore, playing the game with an empty stadium because riots
1116310;1430336192;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: l0l!
1116311;1430336230;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so this is by now completely insane.
1116312;1430336295;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It truly is. Guy's probably just flipping the ball into the stands out of habit, but seriously in the middle of the day they can't have spectators because... riots?
1116313;1430336307;BingoBoingo;Not actual riots, but just the fear of riots
1116314;1430336322;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/fetlife-bdsm-meat-list-consent/ << how to write about mp without linking trilema.
1116315;1430336323;assbot;The BDSM version of Facebook is under attack for ignoring women's safety concerns ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERUR4h )
1116316;1430336331;ascii_field;'zero length field name in format'
1116317;1430336335;mircea_popescu;!rate Alana Massey -10 stupid whore.
1116318;1430336335;assbot;Alana is not registered in WoT.
1116319;1430336362;ascii_field;pythonism
1116320;1430336376;ascii_field;incompatibility b/w 2.7 and 2.6
1116321;1430336399;mircea_popescu;heh
1116322;1430336657;scoopbot_revived;News! Life isn't Gaussian. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/29/life-isnt-gaussian/
1116323;1430336658;assbot;Life isn’t Gaussian. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwZY4K )
1116324;1430336710;lobbes;!up_ascii_field
1116325;1430336728;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1116326;1430337074;mircea_popescu;in transgender = confused kids without supervision news, http://boards.420chan.org/cd/1.php
1116327;1430337076;assbot; Transgender Discussion - 420chan  ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERXEdH )
1116328;1430337167;ascii_field;mircea_popescu et al: fixed.
1116329;1430337228;ascii_field;ty mircea_popescu, for a very palpably faster box.
1116330;1430337234;ascii_field;it is very spiffy.
1116331;1430337273;mircea_popescu;shit this guy's fast
1116332;1430337274;ascii_field;considering that previously, this thing wasn't even on a computer in the usual sense - this is a major step forward.
1116333;1430337286;mircea_popescu;015-04-29 15:54 (Queued, 2 Moduli Remaining - Refresh page to update.)
1116334;1430337295;mircea_popescu;listen, seeing how it's using about 10% of what it could... throtle it ?
1116335;1430337311;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if you read 'werker' - there is a polling knob
1116336;1430337325;ascii_field;set, at present time, to 5s
1116337;1430337420;ascii_field;why would we want to throttle the thing, again ?
1116338;1430337422;*;ascii_field confused
1116339;1430337621;mircea_popescu;well, there's no point in it having 2 items in queue while load is under 4 ish
1116340;1430337706;punkman;http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?page_id=6
1116341;1430337707;assbot;dpr   » udp and me ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERZVWl )
1116342;1430337759;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the way it works is that when polling interval elapses, it does everything in the queue
1116343;1430337782;mircea_popescu;aha
1116344;1430337804;mircea_popescu;i guess that's spikey no ?
1116345;1430337813;ascii_field;aha
1116346;1430337848;ascii_field;if folks were to put a million keys through this thing each day, every time a new planet with intelligent pgp-using aliens is contacted, i would probably tweak a few things, yes.
1116347;1430337894;jurov;mircea prolly noticed lightbulbs dimming every 5s
1116348;1430337920;ascii_field;i also love how mircea_popescu put this box in a war zone
1116349;1430338368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4755 @ 0.00028909 = 1.3746 BTC [-]
1116350;1430338571;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1116351;1430338577;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/baltimore/baltimore-police.htm
1116352;1430338578;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ES3pZ2 )
1116353;1430338628;ascii_field;gotta love those traditional wooden 'democratizers'
1116354;1430338639;ascii_field;( http://cryptome.org/2015-info/baltimore/pict4.jpg )
1116355;1430338641;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ES3Hix )
1116356;1430338645;trinque;what is that, pepper-spray paintball?
1116357;1430338648;trinque;or just paintball
1116358;1430338653;ascii_field;painball
1116359;1430338667;mircea_popescu;dude that police looks just like lego characters foretold.
1116360;1430338683;ascii_field;the revolver-shotgun is finally out, apparently
1116361;1430338691;trinque;ascii_field: rubber rounds in pic #5?
1116362;1430338695;ascii_field;(pic19.jpg)
1116363;1430338700;trinque;I'm not familiar with seeing cops holding those
1116364;1430338740;ascii_field;the obligatory ziptie handcuffs (last photo.)
1116365;1430338754;trinque;revolver shotgun likely fires tear gas canisters
1116366;1430338814;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-02-2015#1029076
1116367;1430338814;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2015 19:30:55; asciilifeform: jurov: the zip tie and the effete executioner of the future are a match made in heaven. no need to watch the victim struggle, dance. zip - next.
1116368;1430338890;trinque;stylish leather strap on those beatin'-sticks
1116369;1430338990;*;ascii_field finds these scenes extra-lulzy on account of having walked on those streets
1116370;1430339588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.00180847 = 1.8085 BTC [+] {8} 
1116371;1430339649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 700 @ 0.0016191 = 1.1334 BTC [-]
1116372;1430340104;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: lol at the MRAP
1116373;1430340750;williamdunne;!down
1116374;1430340927;jurov;!left
1116375;1430340991;mircea_popescu;!butt
1116376;1430340998;mircea_popescu;hm... butt should do something
1116377;1430341251;ben_vulpes;!up
1116378;1430341253;ben_vulpes;!down
1116379;1430341255;ben_vulpes;!up
1116380;1430341257;ben_vulpes;!down
1116381;1430341259;ben_vulpes;!left
1116382;1430341261;ben_vulpes;!right
1116383;1430341266;ben_vulpes;!a
1116384;1430341269;ben_vulpes;!b
1116385;1430341269;assbot;Need a number of lines.
1116386;1430341271;ben_vulpes;!a
1116387;1430341273;ben_vulpes;!b
1116388;1430341273;assbot;Need a number of lines.
1116389;1430341296;jurov;!b 1e1000
1116390;1430341296;assbot;Make it a positive integer.
1116391;1430341348;BingoBoingo;!b 31337
1116392;1430341349;assbot;Last 31337 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZP0YCV.txt )
1116393;1430341801;mod6;!butt should just do like: (_8_)
1116394;1430341904;mod6;or select a jpg from a random pool of hotbutts
1116395;1430341948;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WwjYuywWlA
1116396;1430341950;assbot;34 3lb Ham Slicer Vs The Wolf - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoA2wN )
1116397;1430341955;mircea_popescu;apparently robot fights is a thing
1116398;1430342009;mircea_popescu;anyone into this scene ?
1116399;1430342157;mod6;ham slicer just waxed that thing
1116400;1430342455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 663 @ 0.0017814 = 1.1811 BTC [+] {8} 
1116401;1430342486;*;lobbes vaguely recalls some tv show from ~15 years ago depicting robot fights such as these
1116402;1430342572;mircea_popescu;should be lots of fun now that silly-valley's come up with the police bot.
1116403;1430342581;mircea_popescu;get some $5 dollar wedgers in there lol
1116404;1430342665;pete_dushenski;lobbes was this 'the bots master' ? https://youtu.be/LLKYOSiW7U4
1116405;1430342667;assbot;Bots Master Intro - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTGiLm )
1116406;1430342820;pete_dushenski;ah nm, more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab2V_tH076A
1116407;1430342821;assbot;RC Fighting Robot Wars - Inertia XL v's Tilley's Revenge - 2013 Combat Robots UK Championships - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTGESc )
1116408;1430342920;lobbes;pete_dushenski: yes! that second one
1116409;1430342960;*;pete_dushenski also remembers this show from childhood, watching it with brother and father.
1116410;1430343366;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115259 << i don't want to say i had anything to do with this, but...
1116411;1430343366;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 03:45:05; decimation: lol http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-twitter-earns-20150429-story.html < "The company lost $162.4 million, compared with a loss of $132.4 million in the year-earlier quarter. Revenue jumped to $435.9 million from $250.5 million, but still fell far short of analysts' expectations of $463 million."
1116412;1430343391;danielpbarron;it was called battle bots i think
1116413;1430343411;pete_dushenski;losing my account and losing 20% of your share price just a month later? hmm, twitter, very hmm.
1116414;1430343419;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron that was totally it.
1116415;1430343508;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115268 << fuck stltoday and their wapo-esque survey paywall.
1116416;1430343508;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 03:59:26; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Ferguson may be heating up again http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/gunfire-wounds-one-amid-protest-near-brown-shooting-scene-in/article_20958339-2ed0-577d-a80d-ba0959137074.html
1116417;1430343530;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Stahp using javascript everywhere
1116418;1430343573;pete_dushenski;anyways, ferguson remains on low boil until further notice.
1116419;1430343622;pete_dushenski;and reloading makes the stltoday page magically work.
1116420;1430343629;pete_dushenski;because that makes sense.
1116421;1430343647;pete_dushenski;"if you looks at our ads twice, we'll let you read the page once"
1116422;1430343665;pete_dushenski;"or you can look at them once and fill out our survey"
1116423;1430343702;pete_dushenski;"Police made at least five arrests for charges including burglary and flourishing a weapon." << flourishing! how poetic.
1116424;1430343745;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvvlhOfxKfs
1116425;1430343746;assbot;Sunny in Philadelphia, Mac and Dennis act British - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTIXoh )
1116426;1430343906;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron i do enjoy 'sunny'. the first 5 seasons were pretty fucking hilarious but i haven't kept up with it since then.
1116427;1430344012;danielpbarron;it's one of my favorites to leave on in the background while doing other things
1116428;1430344836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11066 @ 0.00028881 = 3.196 BTC [-] {2} 
1116429;1430344837;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Anyways the Post Dispatch was the first Pulitzer owned newspaper
1116430;1430344972;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo pulitzer winning ? how does a prize own a paper.
1116431;1430344998;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: No, as in the historical person Pulitzer.
1116432;1430345016;pete_dushenski;lolk
1116433;1430345024;pete_dushenski;also '2015 winner' according to site
1116434;1430345060;pete_dushenski;brb
1116435;1430345749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00028754 = 5.6502 BTC [-] {2} 
1116436;1430346461;pete_dushenski;back.
1116437;1430348243;williamdunne;Scoop the fourth is now re-written. Will be moved to a server, rather than my laptop
1116438;1430348275;williamdunne;At the moment doesn't support adding new feeds. That will come soon-ish
1116439;1430348318;pete_dushenski;williamdunne want me to test it on contravex ?
1116440;1430348343;williamdunne;That'd be ideal
1116441;1430348372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00028595 = 2.3877 BTC [-] {2} 
1116442;1430348506;scoopbot_revived;scoopbot_revivied test http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/29/scoopbot_revivied-test/
1116443;1430348507;assbot;scoopbot_revivied test | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGJLfV )
1116444;1430348535;pete_dushenski;there we go.
1116445;1430348540;williamdunne;Perfect
1116446;1430348968;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115874 << seems like the trilema editors should scan qntra articles too.
1116447;1430348968;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 14:42:28; mircea_popescu: (and yes editors, which trilema doth employ, send the corrections with "did you mean to X" half the fucking time)
1116448;1430348994;pete_dushenski;i mean, a few of us here do it for fun, but surely we miss errors here and there.
1116449;1430349192;williamdunne;w.b-a.link down.. lol
1116450;1430349348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9993 @ 0.00029333 = 2.9312 BTC [+]
1116451;1430349358;pete_dushenski;hm. same here.
1116452;1430349564;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115643 <<< from their website under "Strategic Advisors" Jackson Palmer and Brock Pierce lol
1116453;1430349564;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 10:14:00; davout: so apparently this neucoin thing sold for 2.7kBTC worth of their, ahem, "coin"
1116454;1430349805;pete_dushenski;bwahaha
1116455;1430349837;pete_dushenski;on the plus side, they only pulled in 2700 btc, most of which was surely their own
1116456;1430349871;pete_dushenski;this is down markedly from a year ago, when scams could still find 10,000+ btc
1116457;1430349962;cazalla;still, not a bad effort compared to some other launches
1116458;1430349994;cazalla;how much did that gems messaging app raise? BingoBoingo always goes on about it for some reason
1116459;1430350008;cazalla;"hey cazalla, you should get gems yo, you earn gems for messaging"
1116460;1430350011;BingoBoingo;cazalla: No idea
1116461;1430350012;pete_dushenski;!s gems
1116462;1430350014;assbot;58 results for 'gems' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gems
1116463;1430350053;cazalla;soz for the elbowing BingoBoingo but i saw more gems news on coinfire earlier :)
1116464;1430350197;pete_dushenski;http://www.blockchainsummit.io << fuckin branson. derp harder, mate.
1116465;1430350199;assbot;Block Chain Summit ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGNWZc )
1116466;1430350216;pete_dushenski;just whatever you do, don't pgp up and wander in here.
1116467;1430350242;pete_dushenski;because hosting nobodies on your private island is more fun!
1116468;1430350366;pete_dushenski;oh look, bitgo dood, garzik, pierce, and silbert are all going.
1116469;1430350493;mircea_popescu;"This post Formule de salut on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. concerning SEO provides clear thought for new SEO users that how to do Search engine optimization, therefore keep it up. Nice job
1116470;1430350493;mircea_popescu;Asics sale"
1116471;1430350527;cazalla;yeah, qntra has plenty of those and other variations mircea_popescu
1116472;1430350699;mircea_popescu;you must be good at seo.
1116473;1430350744;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski errybody wannabe cartman.
1116474;1430351049;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu and flirt with transgenderism!
1116475;1430351111;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3c143UdGxI
1116476;1430351113;assbot;Cartman's transgender toilet - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGQxCl )
1116477;1430351143;mircea_popescu;i ha dno idea
1116478;1430351185;pete_dushenski;season 17 or 18
1116479;1430351191;pete_dushenski;newer shit.
1116480;1430351300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 626 @ 0.00178791 = 1.1192 BTC [+] {8} 
1116481;1430352119;Pierre_Rochard;pacioli accounting software preview: http://pacio.li/FinancialStatements/IncomeStatement/BTC/Month/Current
1116482;1430352120;assbot;Pacioli ... ( http://bit.ly/1duInDJ )
1116483;1430352134;Pierre_Rochard;click around, let me know if anything busts
1116484;1430352158;Pierre_Rochard;(and any other feedback)
1116485;1430352282;mircea_popescu;lol uncategorized everything!!11
1116486;1430352292;mircea_popescu;what sort of an example are you setting for business people such as myself!@
1116487;1430352494;Pierre_Rochard;haha, well, some random categorizations will be in the next iteration of the test data generation script
1116488;1430352544;mircea_popescu;:p
1116489;1430352803;Pierre_Rochard;the core accounting part is stable at this point, the treasury part needs a major overhaul, and documentation / source code access will be in place before the next halving
1116490;1430352851;mircea_popescu;it doesnt even say if its gaap or what
1116491;1430352914;Pierre_Rochard;it’s definitely gaap at this point
1116492;1430352968;Pierre_Rochard;in fact the database tables and query structures are as close to perfect accounting theory as you’ll get
1116493;1430353009;Pierre_Rochard;but most of gaap is about how to book specific transactions (for example expense vs capitalize)
1116494;1430353038;Pierre_Rochard;so it’s gaap if a good accountant is using pacioli, it’s some non-gaap thing otherwise
1116495;1430353990;mircea_popescu;well... you see what im saying ?
1116496;1430354057;Pierre_Rochard;I don’t… gaap or non-gaap depends 90% on the user, 10% on the software - the software is at 11%
1116497;1430354112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12222 @ 0.00029587 = 3.6161 BTC [+] {2} 
1116498;1430354112;bitstein;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Spinal_Tap_-_Up_to_Eleven.jpg
1116499;1430354113;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrm9wd )
1116500;1430354980;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard a large chunk of the utility here is education, seeing how a bunch of people are going to get involved in a sort of you know, de novo, revolutionary economic process.
1116501;1430354994;mircea_popescu;so giving them stuff like - well documented drop lists ? huge win.
1116502;1430355004;mircea_popescu;sorta funel the process of selection towards gaap/sanity
1116503;1430355012;Pierre_Rochard;I see, completely agree
1116504;1430355019;mircea_popescu;TON of work on yoru side
1116505;1430355030;mircea_popescu;but the good sort of work, the sort that creates a barrier to entry.
1116506;1430355036;Pierre_Rochard;started here, but definitely ton of work: http://rochard.org/pacioli/docs/Chart_of_Accounts
1116507;1430355036;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q04hMM )
1116508;1430355040;Pierre_Rochard;yes
1116509;1430355053;mircea_popescu;myeah. it WILL help if it leverages the power of html to literally funel people into sense.
1116510;1430355059;mircea_popescu;"pick from here, then here then here".
1116511;1430355168;Pierre_Rochard;that’s a great approach, I was stuck in the mindset of “I’m coding this for accountants”, rather than “I’m coding this to create accountants”
1116512;1430355279;mircea_popescu;yep, you got it.
1116513;1430355307;mircea_popescu;and even if the resulting "accountants" won't be very good by the way this is measured today (a "stickler" approach - great emphasis on detail)
1116514;1430355322;mircea_popescu;if they have ~fundamental~ understanding as a result of interacting with your thing, you scored major points.
1116515;1430355418;Pierre_Rochard;right, agreed
1116516;1430355582;mircea_popescu;there's actually, how did that quote go...
1116517;1430355602;mircea_popescu;"I have often felt that programming is an art form,
1116518;1430355602;mircea_popescu;whose real value can only be appreciated
1116519;1430355602;mircea_popescu;by another versed in the same arcane art;
1116520;1430355602;mircea_popescu;there are lovely gems and brilliant coups
1116521;1430355602;mircea_popescu;hidden from human view and admiration, sometimes forever,
1116522;1430355602;mircea_popescu;by the very nature of the process."
1116523;1430355613;mircea_popescu;applies to accounting just as well, except even fewer people know.
1116524;1430355638;mircea_popescu;and i don't even mean it in the made-for-tv "tax dodge11!1!" sense.
1116525;1430355645;mircea_popescu;i mean it in the bluntest "make sense of reality" sense.
1116526;1430355761;Pierre_Rochard;indeed, though I think the gems will become apparent as pacioli becomes integrated with a wallet and the WoT. writing the core accounting part was necessary because of all the crufted OSS gnucash/openerp monoliths
1116527;1430355842;Pierre_Rochard;the end goal is to have a currency -> payments -> accounting -> finance process that is well oiled and a joy to use
1116528;1430355869;Pierre_Rochard;off to dinner
1116529;1430356309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31608 @ 0.00029841 = 9.4321 BTC [+] {2} 
1116530;1430357406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9933 @ 0.00030179 = 2.9977 BTC [+]
1116531;1430357823;mircea_popescu;yeah
1116532;1430357955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26032 @ 0.00030474 = 7.933 BTC [+]
1116533;1430359419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00031148 = 3.4419 BTC [+] {3} 
1116534;1430360578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24633 @ 0.00030354 = 7.4771 BTC [-]
1116535;1430361693;decimation;asciilifeform: more on ada: http://www.adacore.com/academia/universities/ < the list of us universities has a conspicuous absence of 'popular' tech schools
1116536;1430361694;assbot;Universities | Academia | AdaCore ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpqUs2 )
1116537;1430361727;decimation;this is a feature - not a bug - if we agree with the notion that anything that keeps the masses of cool kids away is a good thing
1116538;1430361854;mircea_popescu;what'd be popular tech schools ?
1116539;1430361868;mircea_popescu;like georgia tech or what
1116540;1430362068;decimation;yeah, ivies, major land grant schools
1116541;1430362090;decimation;there are a couple of those on the list, but mostly it's made up of small private schools and vocational schools
1116542;1430362097;mircea_popescu;so more like mit ? that's notrly popular is it ?
1116543;1430362110;decimation;well, mit is probably the most notable school in the list
1116544;1430362112;mircea_popescu;or you mean popular as in, sought after. not as in, where commoners gather
1116545;1430362118;decimation;yeah, sought after
1116546;1430362324;decimation;I think  mit actually has a significant percentage of high school valedictorians
1116547;1430362591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2000 @ 0.00184061 = 3.6812 BTC [+] {14} 
1116548;1430362710;decimation;mircea_popescu: so have you been poking around centos or scientific linux?
1116549;1430362715;mircea_popescu;mnope
1116550;1430362729;decimation;I assumed based on your epel comment
1116551;1430362774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1000 @ 0.0016191 = 1.6191 BTC [-] {2} 
1116552;1430362779;mircea_popescu;ah, installed nginx, yeah
1116553;1430362784;mircea_popescu;i guess this qualifies.
1116554;1430362879;decimation;if you want something that can serve static pages https://www.unix4lyfe.org/darkhttpd/ < fits in head
1116555;1430362880;assbot;darkhttpd ... ( http://bit.ly/1IptD4B )
1116556;1430362916;mircea_popescu;nah, i run wordpress
1116557;1430363030;decimation;I assume you saw http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/27/wordpress_zero_day_xss/
1116558;1430363031;assbot;Comments considered harmful: WordPress web hijack bug revealed • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ipu13c )
1116559;1430363118;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1116111 :p
1116560;1430363118;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 18:06:30; mircea_popescu: 2.x immune.
1116561;1430363135;decimation;ah heh
1116562;1430363267;mircea_popescu;not upgrading pays.
1116563;1430363369;decimation;yes indeed.  which is why most 'serious business' uses old redhat
1116564;1430363994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 700 @ 0.0016191 = 1.1334 BTC [-]
1116565;1430364103;decimation;lol some guy was reading #b-a and has an anti-tcp agenda http://notcp.io/
1116566;1430364104;assbot;The NoTCP Manifesto ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpwvhS )
1116567;1430364135;mircea_popescu;wait, node.js is performant ?!
1116568;1430364141;mircea_popescu;what is this, the future ?
1116569;1430364183;mircea_popescu;"Chukka-booted footsteps" ahaha ok.
1116570;1430364372;decimation;yeah I'm not sure if the guy is joking or not
1116571;1430364787;mircea_popescu;hey various folks whose pgp keys i've signed at teh conference key signing party... you're supposed to also sign mine!
1116572;1430364808;decimation;!up gabriel_laddel
1116573;1430364811;gabriel_laddel;thank you
1116574;1430364816;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115832 << We're discussing the same thing. If the program has "marked" all instances of $WHATEVER I can trivally add "Would you like me to a) check all places where it's called and report what I can figure out about the context ? b) iterate you through all locations ? c) change it back ? d) run a trace see what happens ?" on top of it.
1116575;1430364816;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 14:29:15; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "why are the holes not marked or filled?" << ftr this is not what i was contemplating. what I was contemplating is, why the fuck don't defaults pop up. bring back the fucking paperclip, put it the ONE place where it makes fucking sense. "hey john, I see you changed FuckOff() from bool to int. This function is called 82 places in 22 files. Would you like me to a) check all places where 
1116576;1430364821;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115836 << lol
1116577;1430364821;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 14:31:02; Adlai: aha, the good old C-c C-w C-c
1116578;1430364827;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115871 << If the "rules" of human language are formalized it becomes much easier to break them in interesting ways. One could use the output of a shannonizer to inform word choice for his story, enforcing that each word is followed by one of the top 10 least likely words in the whole of the language up to this point. I suspect that such a tale would be great fun to re
1116579;1430364827;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 14:41:31; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "Why isn't there grammer/spellchecking for my comments? " << this i can readily answer. because I am what's called "a creator of language", which is to say one of those people who, through his usage, ENACTS the rules all amateur users of language MUST follow, as a mark of their linguistic inferiority. like fucking shakespeare.
1116580;1430364827;gabriel_laddel;ad, as most people would immediately recoil in horror, seeing something so very different what they're used to.
1116581;1430364832;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115889 << and I will point out that you're wrong. The simplicity of lisp vs. C is absolutely due to the inherrent properties of the respective artifacts. Seriously, MMM vs GC, parsing vs. not, no bignums vs. numerics - "abstractions push upward" (TM).
1116582;1430364832;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 15:00:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115422 << this, i will point out, is in no way related to any inherent property of either (unless you mean lisp is inherently going to fail), but simply a function of context. had the linux kernel been implemented in sclb, and had the past 20 years been spent with scbl being "the cool language", you'd be having zhe pronouns and assorted idiocy to the tu
1116583;1430364837;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1116046 << http://gabriel-laddel.github.io
1116584;1430364837;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 17:05:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115613 << dude srsly. GET A BLOG ALREADY.
1116585;1430364838;assbot;SPOILER ALERT ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ipy0Nb )
1116586;1430364841;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1116069 << b/c it doesn't belong in a blog post.
1116587;1430364841;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 17:12:02; mircea_popescu: and why the fuck am i referencing pastebins.
1116588;1430364842;mircea_popescu;holy shit sherlock
1116589;1430364848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 620 @ 0.0016191 = 1.0038 BTC [-]
1116590;1430364849;decimation;heh
1116591;1430364890;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel natural languages are not formalizable.
1116592;1430364894;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1116068 << see the lisp machine etc.
1116593;1430364894;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 17:11:55; mircea_popescu: "The studious will note that this is a completely solved problem that no machine learning algorithm will be able to approximate anytime soon." i'm sorry...what ? solved how ?
1116594;1430364918;gabriel_laddel;Erik Naggum disagreed
1116595;1430364928;mircea_popescu;erik naggum was not a linguist.
1116596;1430364929;gabriel_laddel;Lemme find the quote
1116597;1430365240;gabriel_laddel;apart from this, I have written Emacs Lisp functions to make a statement into a question and vice versa, to join and split sentences (not quite as trivial as it sounds), to upgrade from singular to plural and vice versa, to change the person from second to third and vice versa, et cetera. significant parts of grammar is the way it is to maintain correspondence between numbers and persons and tenses and such, and sin
1116598;1430365240;gabriel_laddel;ce this is mostly redundant, it can be also automated. this is stuff that takes just a bit of time to do, but when a whole paragraph of text needs to be changed from second person singular or from third person singular to third person plural, it's nice to do that with a couple keystrokes. it's also nice to see that the pronouns are easily traceable to their origins, and don't get messed up in several layers of refer
1116599;1430365240;gabriel_laddel;ences. if my code can't figure it out, chances are so won't anybody else, at least not easily.
1116600;1430365246;gabriel_laddel;^ that is formalized enough for me.
1116601;1430365286;mircea_popescu;"formalized enough" eh ?
1116602;1430365362;gabriel_laddel;Would you agree that a shannonizer is a formalization?
1116603;1430365382;mircea_popescu;i would agree that the counting horse is a remarkable horse,
1116604;1430365388;mircea_popescu;but i won't agree he's a mathematician.
1116605;1430365402;gabriel_laddel;wait what
1116606;1430365416;mircea_popescu;a shannonizer is a formalisation, but not of natural language.
1116607;1430365437;gabriel_laddel;I'll agree to that.
1116608;1430365455;decimation;all models are wrong - some are useful
1116609;1430365508;decimation;^George Box
1116610;1430365519;mircea_popescu;if a purpose is stated.
1116611;1430365547;gabriel_laddel;wtf I can't find the source for that quote anymore
1116612;1430365565;gabriel_laddel;anyways - full quote is available here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/147662
1116613;1430365565;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpzB5E )
1116614;1430365616;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.samueljohnson.com/apocryph.html#20 << check it out btw.
1116615;1430365618;assbot;The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page:  Apocrypha ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpzFlM )
1116616;1430365755;mircea_popescu;"I have typed an average of 21.3 keystrokes per second" eh gtfo.
1116617;1430366068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00029337 = 4.1512 BTC [-]
1116618;1430366434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45460 @ 0.00030024 = 13.6489 BTC [+] {3} 
1116619;1430366800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00030732 = 3.7186 BTC [+]
1116620;1430367166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36190 @ 0.00030434 = 11.0141 BTC [-]
1116621;1430367589;mircea_popescu;"to maintain correspondence between numbers and persons and tenses and such, and since this is mostly redundant, it can be also automated. this is stuff that takes just a bit of time to do, but when a whole paragraph of text " << such nonsense.
1116622;1430367594;mircea_popescu;a fine example of "too easy".
1116623;1430368707;asciilifeform;happy hitler's-brains-on-the-floor day.
1116624;1430368725;asciilifeform;(and su flag on reichstag night.)
1116625;1430368797;asciilifeform;decimation> asciilifeform: more on ada: http://www.adacore.com/academia/universities/ < the list of us universities has a conspicuous absence of 'popular' tech schools << 'where used' is by far the least appealing aspect of ada. as for 'where taught', the answer is largely nowhere. the kind of thinking implied by ada is a -culture- that has to be imparted.
1116626;1430368799;assbot;Universities | Academia | AdaCore ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzaAUO )
1116627;1430368870;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> ah, installed nginx, yeah << on top of apache again ?
1116628;1430372778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24657 @ 0.0002909 = 7.1727 BTC [-]
1116629;1430373144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29769 @ 0.00029313 = 8.7262 BTC [+]
1116630;1430373327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00029732 = 1.8137 BTC [+] {2} 
1116631;1430375096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00029805 = 7.7046 BTC [+]
1116632;1430379745;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116571 <<< done, i also think i gave my gpg-fingerprint-imprinted bizcard to most peeps at c3 so time for some moar signing!
1116633;1430379745;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 03:33:07; mircea_popescu: hey various folks whose pgp keys i've signed at teh conference key signing party... you're supposed to also sign mine!
1116634;1430381806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00029805 = 1.371 BTC [+]
1116635;1430385183;scoopbot_revived;Pings: 1
1116636;1430385921;davout;;;later tell Pierre_Rochard do you have some background to share regarding your accounting software? probably missed it if it has already been discussed
1116637;1430385921;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1116638;1430385948;davout;;;later tell Pierre_Rochard /me is pretty interested
1116639;1430385948;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1116640;1430386625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16890 @ 0.00029844 = 5.0407 BTC [+] {2} 
1116641;1430387663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00029589 = 1.4499 BTC [-] {2} 
1116642;1430391810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22510 @ 0.00030213 = 6.8009 BTC [+]
1116643;1430392176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.0002935 = 5.3417 BTC [-] {2} 
1116644;1430393945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46287 @ 0.00028288 = 13.0937 BTC [-] {4} 
1116645;1430396019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25248 @ 0.00028397 = 7.1697 BTC [+]
1116646;1430396144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9052 @ 0.00028397 = 2.5705 BTC [+]
1116647;1430397117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0002812 = 6.0739 BTC [-]
1116648;1430397233;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1116649;1430397235;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 233.41, Best ask: 233.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 233.64, 24 hour volume: 29719.49545302, 24 hour low: 224.0, 24 hour high: 236.71, 24 hour vwap: None
1116650;1430397245;pete_dushenski;;;bc,stats
1116651;1430397249;gribble;Current Blocks: 354348 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 467 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 12 hours, 16 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47658271405.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.1002
1116652;1430397274;pete_dushenski;g'mornin Pierre_Rochard
1116653;1430397279;Pierre_Rochard;morning pete_dushenski
1116654;1430397348;pete_dushenski;i see you've made some solid progress with pacioli.
1116655;1430397356;pete_dushenski;you're going to make accountants out of us yet!
1116656;1430397364;Pierre_Rochard;davout: I floated the idea last year - I’ve used a lot of different accounting software and never been satisfied - none of them use acccounting theory as the spec
1116657;1430397547;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: or at least make reasonable bookkeepers out of you, I couldn’t call someone an accountant if they don’t know how to do a multi-entity, multi-currency consolidation
1116658;1430397576;Pierre_Rochard;which would be overkill - hire me instead!
1116659;1430397603;pete_dushenski;multi-currency i understand, but what do you mean by 'multi-entity' ?
1116660;1430397628;pete_dushenski;and hey, i'll take better bookkeeping!
1116661;1430397634;Pierre_Rochard;for example you’re a 90% owner of a subsidiary in mexico, etc
1116662;1430397685;Pierre_Rochard;the sub has its own set of books, you need to roll them up into the parent company’s, there are adjustments to made (like of the parent is lending money to the sub)
1116663;1430397713;pete_dushenski;ah yes, complete 'accountant' territory, that.
1116664;1430397755;pete_dushenski;i am but a simple man using simple spreadsheets.
1116665;1430397827;Pierre_Rochard;that is the current state-of-the-art in bitcoin accounting
1116666;1430397934;pete_dushenski;sort of like how a pointy rock was state-of-the-art tribal warfare 50,000 years ago.
1116667;1430397956;pete_dushenski;"look how much more effective the pointy rock is than the blunt round rock!"
1116668;1430397972;Pierre_Rochard;exactly, and I’m assembling an abrams tank, now I need to write up the user manual
1116669;1430398032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2800 @ 0.0016191 = 4.5335 BTC [-]
1116670;1430398039;pete_dushenski;we need the "explain it to me like i'm 5 years old" approach
1116671;1430398094;Pierre_Rochard;agreed, building something to explain was the first step, now the real work begins
1116672;1430398129;pete_dushenski;keep it going :)
1116673;1430398189;Pierre_Rochard;thanks, will do! I’m getting surgery on my right shoulder in a week, so I need to get some dictation software haha
1116674;1430398222;Pierre_Rochard;(torn labrum from dislocation, not a major procedure)
1116675;1430398222;pete_dushenski;surgery ?! dude... sports injury ?
1116676;1430398250;Pierre_Rochard;originally dislocated while mountain biking, then again from skipping rope
1116677;1430398332;pete_dushenski;oof. that's rough man.
1116678;1430398348;pete_dushenski;how long is the expected recovery ?
1116679;1430398389;Pierre_Rochard;6 months of physical therapy
1116680;1430398436;Pierre_Rochard;I’ll be typing after a month though
1116681;1430398506;pete_dushenski;man i couldn't imagine a month without typing.
1116682;1430398515;pete_dushenski;it'd be like a month without seeing.
1116683;1430398547;pete_dushenski;well, Pierre_Rochard, wishing you a speedy recovery!
1116684;1430398559;Pierre_Rochard;same, thanks!
1116685;1430398673;pete_dushenski;"A man embarrassed in his circumstances, and conducting them imprudently, likes best to continue in the dark; he will not gladly reckon up the debtor entries he is charged with. But on the other hand, there is nothing to a prudent manager more pleasant than daily to set before himself the sums of his growing fortune. -J.W. von Goethe" << lovely quote btw.
1116686;1430398752;pete_dushenski;http://myntex.ca/pgp-blackberry.php << i found this interesting because it's a local kid doing this on his own.
1116687;1430398753;assbot;PGP BlackBerry Encryption • How BlackBerry PGP Works • Myntex ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztraEI )
1116688;1430398784;pete_dushenski;i e-mailed him, he recommended using the blackberry 9900 (2011 vintage) or earlier
1116689;1430398825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.0002812 = 11.248 BTC [-]
1116690;1430398833;pete_dushenski;apparently he has some large contracts already, something in the order of $6mn per year and no employees.
1116691;1430399039;pete_dushenski;"For maximum security, our BlackBerry PGP encryption service utilizes AES 256 bit PGP encryption with a 4096 bit RSA key format." << also uses session keys, but these are presumably generated on the phone, so...
1116692;1430399060;pete_dushenski;though the private master key is generated on a desktop.
1116693;1430399157;mats;'Custom encrypted domains' what
1116694;1430399273;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. which is it ?
1116695;1430399290;mircea_popescu;do they do the "rsa encryption of an aes symmetric key" thing ?
1116696;1430399352;pete_dushenski;i dun follow that part at all. the pgp/rsa makes sense but where aes comes in is anyone's guess.
1116697;1430399416;pete_dushenski;meh. not like i'm signing up anytime soon.
1116698;1430399479;jurov;iirc pgp/rsa is computationally expensive, so it's only used to establish rsa keys
1116699;1430399484;jurov;ssh does it same way
1116700;1430399538;jurov;*establish aes keys
1116701;1430400426;mircea_popescu;jurov gpg does the same thing, yeah, but then again that was the 80s.
1116702;1430400444;mircea_popescu;funny how moore law is always there to justify doing something stupid, never to justify doing things like "rsa all the way - we can afford it now"
1116703;1430400696;Pierre_Rochard;unrelated: http://boingboing.net/2015/04/17/why-is-your-millenial-crying.html
1116704;1430400697;assbot;Why is your millenial crying? A guide for parents and other concerned parties, by Gemma Correll. - Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDhAlJ )
1116705;1430401007;jurov;in this case it's not moore's law but bandwidth. you can't have megabytes/second with rsa, or if you do, battery dies
1116706;1430401173;mircea_popescu;and in the lulz of today, http://dpaste.com/0BSP2VK
1116707;1430401174;assbot;dpaste: 0BSP2VK ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDjQJV )
1116708;1430401186;mircea_popescu;jurov how does a blackberry send megabytes/second ?
1116709;1430401254;jurov;with 3G/4G modem?
1116710;1430401273;mircea_popescu;so let me get this straight.
1116711;1430401284;mircea_popescu;best secretary i eve rhad did 82 wpm.
1116712;1430401294;mircea_popescu;naggum, through the magic of shoving lisp up his ass, types 180wpm
1116713;1430401303;mircea_popescu;but obama and the rest of the blackberry users type... 500k wpm ?
1116714;1430401318;jurov;butbutbutmultimedia!
1116715;1430401320;mircea_popescu;on that litthe shitty keyboard ?
1116716;1430401329;mircea_popescu;o, you need to encrypt teh multishittia, yeh, sure.
1116717;1430401332;mircea_popescu;use AES FOR THAT!
1116718;1430401451;jurov;well, you live on the sane planet where people send only typed text by email and other things by other channels
1116719;1430401506;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as mime
1116720;1430401621;jurov;and? so the optimal thing would be to parse the email and encrypt some parts by rsa and some by aes or what?
1116721;1430401697;mircea_popescu;iirc blackberry was positioning itself as "text only. for important folk".
1116722;1430401711;jurov;was
1116723;1430401718;mircea_popescu;anyway, optimal thing would be user specified, and full rsa option.
1116724;1430401745;jurov;explain that as an admin to your CEO what that stuff means and why
1116725;1430401759;mircea_popescu;eh, fire the ceo.
1116726;1430401764;jurov;...
1116727;1430401885;jurov;one of my first job as admin were email servers. and from the beginning it was like "plz to raise limit on attachments" "plz why the email did not arrive yet" "plz why is the internet slow cant you, you know set some priorities for traffic"
1116728;1430401935;jurov;now go explain encryption options
1116729;1430401993;mircea_popescu;"rsa. use for text. rsa/aes. use for anything that's not text."
1116730;1430402085;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailydot.com/politics/harvard-protest-primal-scream-run/ << where black lives that matter meet white cocks that are free!
1116731;1430402086;assbot;Harvard students protesting police brutality clash with naked runners  ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDngw3 )
1116732;1430402134;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116627 << i didn't actually run it, just, got curious as to what exactly fails to work.
1116733;1430402134;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 04:41:10; asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ah, installed nginx, yeah << on top of apache again ?
1116734;1430402268;Pierre_Rochard;“For people to say black lives matter, and for the crowd to shout back ‘U.S.A.,’ which is upholding a system that is oppressing black people, I think that that is problematic,”
1116735;1430402277;Pierre_Rochard;“problematic” is my favorite SJW word
1116736;1430402286;mircea_popescu;direct soviet translation.
1116737;1430402510;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116690 << good for him.
1116738;1430402510;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 13:00:33; pete_dushenski: apparently he has some large contracts already, something in the order of $6mn per year and no employees.
1116739;1430402534;mats;sounds like an excellent scam
1116740;1430402546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00028479 = 3.9871 BTC [-]
1116741;1430402601;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/desteapta-te-n-pula-mea-de-distractie/ << i might have found the tensest thing i wrote on trilema. wishing goodluck to anyone who's going to write a program to tokenize this text.
1116742;1430402601;assbot;Desteapta-te-n pula mea de distractie on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDq78i )
1116743;1430403036;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the impressive and simultaneously worrying aspect of the bb-pgp biz is that the owner was a former tradesman who apparently thought to himself "hey, you know what the market needs, properly encrypted messaging!"
1116744;1430403036;scoopbot_revived;News! Flirting with the prettiest girl in school. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/30/flirting-with-the-prettiest-girl-in-school/
1116745;1430403037;assbot;Flirting with the prettiest girl in school. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDsibR )
1116746;1430403059;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski what trade ?
1116747;1430403092;pete_dushenski;i want to say... plumbing. but i'll confirm. i know someone who knows him.
1116748;1430403107;mircea_popescu;so have him drop by
1116749;1430403146;mircea_popescu;"This, mystical domination, is easily the prettiest girl in school. Shes the most unattainable, the most lust-worthy, the most drool-inducing" << you know what veblen goods are ?
1116750;1430403174;pete_dushenski;... i do not.
1116751;1430403177;mircea_popescu;because that's what #5 does, practically : it offers a model to explain and understand the otherwise insane, and otherwise never explain, luxury behaviour.
1116752;1430403186;mircea_popescu;that it explains it does NOT reduce the insanity of it however.
1116753;1430403229;mircea_popescu;veblen goods are goods which exhibit reverse price relation (demand increases as price increases, as opposed to how it normally goes).
1116754;1430403323;pete_dushenski;agreed about the insanity of pursuing #5, no matter how useful of a model its pursuit may prove in hindsight.
1116755;1430403363;mircea_popescu;right, just because prayer worked in the past is no reason to pray.
1116756;1430403382;pete_dushenski;ah so veblen goods would be like that dentist's services i was mentioning the other day.
1116757;1430403406;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-04-2015#1113010
1116758;1430403406;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 16:32:38; pete_dushenski: like the dentist who's busy when priced competitively, wants to be less busy, jacks up his prices to the highest in town, and then has his doors beaten down with customers like never before.
1116759;1430403469;pete_dushenski;re: prayer, not like i'm going to go eat a loaf of bread now either just because a pizza pinged off my immunoarmour
1116760;1430403498;mircea_popescu;the thng with allergies, and especiaslly in young people, is that they do go away.
1116761;1430403519;mircea_popescu;that's treatment : remove the allergen, give it a few years, try a minute dose.
1116762;1430403567;pete_dushenski;well the treatment seems to be working!
1116763;1430403583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.0002873 = 2.126 BTC [+]
1116764;1430403620;pete_dushenski;i tried a corona a few months, which are supposedly as low on the gluten scale as they come for normal beers, and i puked my guts out.
1116765;1430403624;mircea_popescu;(they go away for the same reason vaccine-acquired immunity goes away, ftr)
1116766;1430403627;pete_dushenski;so something's improved since then
1116767;1430403675;mircea_popescu;great dress, great hooters. great hooters, great dress. http://41.media.tumblr.com/298434f59991ef25c4bf2b1f7d4c9ba7/tumblr_n4srktRyUd1txkuq7o1_1280.jpg
1116768;1430403677;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDvjZW )
1116769;1430403678;mircea_popescu;the inseparable!
1116770;1430403680;pete_dushenski;the memory b-cells don't last forever.
1116771;1430405708;mircea_popescu;"When To Tell A Guy You Are Transgender by Whitey Niggerson -
1116772;1430405708;mircea_popescu;>After first date and over the phone.
1116773;1430405708;mircea_popescu;I agree. If you tell them upfront, they'll be weirded out. If you tell them in person, they might try to physically hurt you."
1116774;1430405721;mircea_popescu;clearly, there's nothing wrong with this. everyone (else) is just mean evil and weird.
1116775;1430405841;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: plz foar to nuke gravatar
1116776;1430405914;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: beleeting your e-mail did the trick.
1116777;1430405949;ben_vulpes;pahahaha yeah okay i'll just ask you to do that every time i comment on contravex
1116778;1430405984;pete_dushenski;or just you bigben@isbig.com or something
1116779;1430405984;mircea_popescu;since somehow scoopbot missed http://trilema.com/2015/the-museum-of-the-national-bank-of-argentina/ (hey williamdunne how's that work ?), dedicating it to nubbins` an' asciilifeform by hand.
1116780;1430405985;assbot;The museum of the National Bank of Argentina on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuZzBy )
1116781;1430406107;pete_dushenski;mebbe scoopy no like photodump ?
1116782;1430406169;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Scoop was down for a while, I committed an upgrade too early
1116783;1430406188;mircea_popescu;does it keep a list of what it last posted so when it comes back up it can see if there's anything new ?
1116784;1430406219;williamdunne;Yes but its not persistant
1116785;1430406238;williamdunne;Thats one of the upgrades I need to make
1116786;1430406242;mircea_popescu;so put it in a file or something yeah
1116787;1430406243;ben_vulpes;> committed an upgrade << heh
1116788;1430406276;ben_vulpes;young man, you have committed an outrageous upgrade for the most serene republic!
1116789;1430406281;ben_vulpes;your reward is more demands!
1116790;1430406290;mircea_popescu;:D
1116791;1430406318;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Basically
1116792;1430406366;mircea_popescu;mike_c svg fix confirmed!
1116793;1430406384;mike_c;great
1116794;1430406447;*;mircea_popescu is so enamoured with this svg thing.
1116795;1430406447;*;mod6 looks
1116796;1430406645;mod6;Well, the lordship updates seem to be in place nicely.
1116797;1430406648;mod6;:]
1116798;1430406666;mircea_popescu;mike_c q : how hard would it be to enforce fixed placement on the inner circle ? i dunno how they're placed now, but how about just divide 2pi to however many people and each gets that much sector
1116799;1430406734;mircea_popescu;as opposed to now where 1.05-1.1 is five people from cazalla to mats.
1116800;1430406755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00028783 = 8.4622 BTC [+] {2} 
1116801;1430406844;mircea_popescu;hm, that might not be so clever, ends up crunching the lines instead of crunching the nodes by outside exposure.
1116802;1430406863;mircea_popescu;mike_c nevermind, it's correct as it is.
1116803;1430406929;mod6;I love this chart as well; are there any plans to make the name's in the graph link to the corresponding page for that user/keyid?
1116804;1430406956;mike_c;mod6: maybe yes, I'm exploring that.
1116805;1430406961;mod6;werd
1116806;1430406978;mod6;Sorry, I don't wanna make more work for ya.  It's p. awesome as is.
1116807;1430406990;mike_c;not at all, suggestions and feedback are welcome
1116808;1430407161;mod6;sweet, the sorting of ratings data looks great
1116809;1430407207;mod6;got a link to phuctor too. \o/
1116810;1430407409;mod6;i just realized i can zoom out on this... looking more and more areodynamic every day.
1116811;1430407474;mod6;*aerodynamic
1116812;1430407526;mod6;haha re: "assorted domestic animals"
1116813;1430407758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00028328 = 10.5097 BTC [-] {2} 
1116814;1430407802;mircea_popescu;it's like 4k by 4k px naturally.
1116815;1430407848;bagels7;As someone who is transgender I stay away from men in general. I make men angry that would rather kill me than to deal with their faggot insecurity
1116816;1430408124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00029307 = 11.166 BTC [+]
1116817;1430408282;mircea_popescu;how do you know it's faggot insecurity ?
1116818;1430408340;lobbes;<bagels7> I stay away from men in general. << you spend time in this channel though. About 95% men from what I guess
1116819;1430408453;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the original (mostly politically driven) explanation for violence against homosexuals - some sort of "homophobia" suffers a lot seeing how ALL SORTS of other sexual behaviours elicit the same violent response. such as transsexualism, or pedophilia.
1116820;1430408470;mircea_popescu;obviously sexual normativity is enforced on some sort of level irrespectively of the type.
1116821;1430408534;mircea_popescu;while it's true that it probably shares that source with all sorts of nuttery (religious fervor, for instance), i very much doubt the actual motivator is what's proposed, ie, "dude is secretly gay and fighting it overtly"
1116822;1430408586;mircea_popescu;or else why do [mostly old women] go to church ? because they're affraid they're secretly god ?
1116823;1430409150;williamdunne;Isn't violence against transsexualism also generally considered homophobia, or at least some sort of xenophobia
1116824;1430409358;lobbes;probably lumped under 'hate crimes'
1116825;1430410170;bagels7;[11:38] <+mircea_popescu> how do you know it's faggot insecurity ? << When I am waiting at a bus stop at 2 in the morning and a guy walks by and pretends to be waiting for the bus as an excuse to talk to me while I am merely being polite then after 15 minutes has the nerve to tell me that I deceived him when he was only being nice to get laid
1116826;1430410212;mircea_popescu;williamdunne by now they've completely lost any sort of relation between words. it's just... word word word word.
1116827;1430410233;mircea_popescu;bagels7 well... there's a lot of nuts out there.
1116828;1430410238;bagels7;mad at himself because he couldnt tell what I was
1116829;1430410265;lobbes;bagels7, that is ultimately his problem though, no? Why change your lifestyle based on others?
1116830;1430410273;lobbes;in terms of avoiding people
1116831;1430410282;bagels7;where as a man that was secure could admit that a trans woman is hot despite not wanting to sleep with her
1116832;1430410309;mircea_popescu;lobbes let me tell you why. because if servers introduce a new response code, you're stuck either making your browser aware of it, or else put up with the constant bitching.
1116833;1430410318;bagels7;I don't see how I changed my lifestyle lobbes
1116834;1430410352;mircea_popescu;which is why standards committees even exist : because in any interconnected system, you're constantly stuck with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115921
1116835;1430410352;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 15:11:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity
1116836;1430410373;mircea_popescu;and this is why the traditional statement of the objection among the wrong side of kink high is "i don't want them imposing their stuff on me".
1116837;1430410424;bagels7;"sexual normativity" just comes of as heterosexual / vanilla propaganda
1116838;1430410428;mircea_popescu;obviously the correct reaction would just be what i did on the meat list, ie, group all weird under a single "Weird" heading. but then obviously this irks the delusions of individuality of the individual weird involved, so there's that line of bitching.
1116839;1430410625;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's the broad conflict. "being special" having been promulgated as a social good, and smashing the classification being a bona fide way to manufacture specialness, you now have the conflict of the boring who aspire to hack their way to attention vs the people who don't care about them and wish to remain able to not care about them.
1116840;1430410629;mats;;;isup nosuchlabs.com
1116841;1430410630;gribble;nosuchlabs.com is up
1116842;1430410658;mircea_popescu;it's irresolvable, for as long as a) "being special" is valued formally rather than substantially, and b) people get to make choice on the mere grounds of existing.
1116843;1430410703;mircea_popescu;the good news being that neither a or b are actual things, or have any sort of hope of long term survival. just the froth of our days, soon to be gone back into the darkness that spawned them.
1116844;1430410738;mircea_popescu;mats it recently changed ip, you seeing 195.211.154.159 ?
1116845;1430410835;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1116846;1430410889;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: The museum of the National Bank of Argentina << mega-article.
1116847;1430410913;ascii_field;every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies
1116848;1430410928;mircea_popescu;well not many countries have this much experience with it.
1116849;1430410935;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the gold balance suggests that they had something like engl. 'trial of the pyx'. did they ?
1116850;1430410937;mircea_popescu;i think there are some such, mostly with confederate dollars, in the us
1116851;1430410952;mats;mircea_popescu: nope
1116852;1430410953;mircea_popescu;yes.
1116853;1430411115;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116840 << not only up, but running on spiffy new box supplied by mircea_popescu
1116854;1430411115;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 16:17:09; mats: ;;isup nosuchlabs.com
1116855;1430411235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 750 @ 0.00158981 = 1.1924 BTC [+] {5} 
1116856;1430411273;mats;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/report-says-american-psychological-association-collaborated-on-torture-justification.html
1116857;1430411275;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HUKR9l )
1116858;1430411540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41650 @ 0.00028674 = 11.9427 BTC [-] {3} 
1116859;1430411973;lobbes;'The Bush administration relied more heavily on psychologists than psychiatrists or other health professionals to monitor many interrogations'
1116860;1430412566;ascii_field;https://sks-keyservers.net/status/key_development.php << check out the spikes.
1116861;1430412567;assbot;SKS Keyservers: History of number of OpenPGP keys ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJcVuM )
1116862;1430412572;ascii_field;spamatronic ?
1116863;1430412594;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^
1116864;1430413033;lobbes;~6,800 added on one day O.o
1116865;1430414590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00028035 = 4.5977 BTC [-]
1116866;1430415017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.00158888 = 1.5889 BTC [+] {5} 
1116867;1430415139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.00162707 = 1.6271 BTC [+] {13} 
1116868;1430415140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 750 @ 0.00156574 = 1.1743 BTC [-]
1116869;1430415202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.0016679 = 1.6679 BTC [+] {4} 
1116870;1430415266;mod6;Lady quasi-butt, depicted with all the skill and guile of somebody that's never seen one. << lol
1116871;1430415323;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 700 @ 0.00156574 = 1.096 BTC [-]
1116872;1430415607;mod6;<+ascii_field> every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies << agreed.
1116873;1430416072;mod6;mircea_popescu: lot of nice pics in there thx!
1116874;1430416115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00028035 = 1.0373 BTC [-]
1116875;1430416652;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i think it's because for a while they added new keys in batches ?
1116876;1430416754;mircea_popescu;and re the pyx thing : argentina had a very aspirational relationship with england. kinda why the faulkland war was such a big deal, sort-of like rambunctious kid going after dad, in a sense.
1116877;1430416858;mircea_popescu;http://blog.sumptuouscapital.com/2014/07/how-microsoft-once-again-demonstrates-not-caring-about-security/ << from the lulz department
1116878;1430416859;assbot;Sumptuous Capital: Blog  » Blog Archive   » How Microsoft once again demonstrates not caring about security ... ( http://bit.ly/1PaRwwK )
1116879;1430416871;mircea_popescu;"To add insult to injury, despite the emails containing references to the aforementioned website and key, the following Microsoft announcements on July 10 and 11 were actually signed by the key 0xF0B7406D which is not referenced as a key used for current Microsoft announcements. This key actually does contain a small number of signatures from external users, but as with 0xA92965F2 none from any Microsoft employee. As t
1116880;1430416871;mircea_popescu;o whether the key is authentic your guess is still as good as mine."
1116881;1430418090;trinque;mircea_popescu: ran into your hierarchy of needs article by way of pete. interesting to note that at the top of maslow's was this vaguely communist "self transcendence" idea, whereas at the top of yours, the man's concept of self seems to engulf others.
1116882;1430418110;mircea_popescu;entierly unsurprising huh.
1116883;1430418114;trinque;what struck me is how on-point maslow's propaganda is, the exact opposite of what it should be, not some arbitrary other thing
1116884;1430418118;trinque;yeah, not at all suprising
1116885;1430418120;mircea_popescu;right.
1116886;1430418312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31660 @ 0.00028035 = 8.8759 BTC [-]
1116887;1430419081;mircea_popescu;!up itkin
1116888;1430419626;BingoBoingo;https://messages.yale.edu/messages/University/univmsgs/detail/121669
1116889;1430419898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00027599 = 6.1546 BTC [-]
1116890;1430420508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5392 @ 0.00028676 = 1.5462 BTC [+]
1116891;1430421240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15960 @ 0.00027599 = 4.4048 BTC [-]
1116892;1430423741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12484 @ 0.00026961 = 3.3658 BTC [-]
1116893;1430424697;jurov;!up WolfGoethe
1116894;1430424714;jurov;!yp yang
1116895;1430424721;jurov;!up yang
1116896;1430424729;jurov;!up so
1116897;1430424778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 781 @ 0.00150876 = 1.1783 BTC [-] {19} 
1116898;1430424795;jurov;so must have highligh off :D
1116899;1430424841;jurov;!up marteen
1116900;1430425048;WolfGoethe;anyone think bitcoin peer to peer trading has alot of room for growth?
1116901;1430425454;trinque;WolfGoethe: seems you do, so how?
1116902;1430425460;jurov;WolfGoethe for me it's much better to trade on davout's exchange
1116903;1430425475;WolfGoethe;davouts ? url ?
1116904;1430425483;jurov;paymium.com
1116905;1430425499;WolfGoethe;for example. taking localbitcoin.com to the next level. like grubhub for money
1116906;1430425522;jurov;i'm not very keen on exchanging bitcoins on streets with anyone
1116907;1430425546;jurov;and exposing my personal data/location to snatchers
1116908;1430425554;trinque;WolfGoethe: what would the next level be?
1116909;1430425627;WolfGoethe;proper peer to peer is online only. using bitcoin as the lubricant between fiancial instruments like bank deposits, wire, paypal my cash, prepaid cards, western union , domestic intnational methods etc.. and all currencies
1116910;1430425664;WolfGoethe;an escrow service dressed up for the mainstream so people can hustle with their financial tools and make money trading bitcoins etc..
1116911;1430425667;jurov;that usually makes the second problem worse
1116912;1430425698;WolfGoethe;not really. i do it pretty anon right now... as opposed to coinbase and circle who know everything about me, other traders don;t care
1116913;1430425703;WolfGoethe;i stay anon
1116914;1430425730;WolfGoethe;should give folks the option to verify if they really want to for trust's sake etc.. i am sure pro traders won't mind
1116915;1430425741;WolfGoethe;guess no one here is into that tho
1116916;1430425761;trinque;you have to clearly define your proposal before anyone can be "into it"
1116917;1430425767;jurov;WolfGoethe how do you decide if counterparty is legit?
1116918;1430425839;WolfGoethe;reputation system is key
1116919;1430425859;WolfGoethe;one based on positive volume and not negative. just like ebay
1116920;1430425876;WolfGoethe;such a market should take care to put out video guides for each payment method trade
1116921;1430425896;WolfGoethe;essentially crowd sourcing the swift network to the people. let them be the on and off ramps
1116922;1430425915;WolfGoethe;my bros r working on such a project and I have really been thinking about it
1116923;1430425927;trinque;reputation system should be distinct from any particular application
1116924;1430425934;trinque;this is why we have the WoT
1116925;1430425970;WolfGoethe;trinque that's not realsitic, decentralizing things like that is another huge project, cannot mvp such a thing. ebay has their own internal system for 20 years, works
1116926;1430426062;jurov;it's completely unrealistic or just huge? can't be both
1116927;1430426073;trinque;this design-by-condescension thing isn't something I get behind; that "the people" can't understand a WoT... who cares
1116928;1430426096;trinque;either they can and therefore could use one distinct from an applcation, or they can't and neither works
1116929;1430426107;trinque;this pressuposes that you want everyone at the table, which I don't.
1116930;1430426657;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCHRQTVUoAAFnSw.png:large
1116931;1430426658;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ky5DeX )
1116932;1430426743;mircea_popescu;WolfGoethe it's kinda funny that someone feels compelled to pitch this sort of retardation here about every quarter.
1116933;1430426807;mircea_popescu;in any case, a) ebay hasn't been around for 20 years, b) 20 years is only a long time because you're too young to be "thinking about things" and c) the notion that ebay's abomination works... AAA plus would do thinks again.
1116934;1430426893;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1116935;1430426944;*;ascii_field using ebay for 17 yrs now
1116936;1430426967;ascii_field;before that - as a boy - was buying/selling junk on usenet
1116937;1430426974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00025821 = 2.9049 BTC [-] {2} 
1116938;1430426977;ascii_field;ebay was an improvement on the latter.
1116939;1430427000;mircea_popescu;a webification in any case. aol-for-usenet-trades.
1116940;1430427014;mircea_popescu;afaik they only got out of the mtgox business ("collectibles") cca 2005 or someshit.
1116941;1430427018;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the payment thing was the mega-feature
1116942;1430427039;ascii_field;not having to go to shops, get 'money orders' cut, and have some semblance of insurance - appealed to people
1116943;1430427070;*;ascii_field only ever used it for (usually, rare) electronics
1116944;1430427078;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1116945;1430427149;ascii_field;ebay works well for getting 'golden toilets' for their actual market price vs the usg tentacular price
1116946;1430427159;ascii_field;e.g., lightly used 'eizo' lcd for 500 instead of 1500
1116947;1430427161;ascii_field;(usd)
1116948;1430427204;ascii_field;virtually all of my hardware was purchased through ebay.
1116949;1430427250;ascii_field;more or less a total monopoly with respect to what i use it for.
1116950;1430427382;mircea_popescu;speaking of useless "platform"...
1116951;1430427396;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c yo, want a fiverr acct ? prolly got a coupla hundred bucks in it.
1116952;1430427396;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1116953;1430427409;mircea_popescu;shit's more expensive to use than heroin.
1116954;1430427523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24523 @ 0.00026509 = 6.5008 BTC [+]
1116955;1430427523;ascii_field;incidentally, this is why i hoard hardware - because supply chain is so hit-and-miss
1116956;1430427613;chetty;the issue with ebay,paypal etc. is they can and do close and freeze accounts anytime they feel like it
1116957;1430427638;chetty;much like banks these days :P
1116958;1430427679;ascii_field;chetty: this typically happens only to interesting people.
1116959;1430427706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68200 @ 0.00027478 = 18.74 BTC [+] {2} 
1116960;1430427727;mircea_popescu;ascii_field similarly, the "reputation system" works perfectly for anyone not using it.
1116961;1430427822;ascii_field;the 'buy and sell only rare things' heuristic - perhaps accidentally - more or less eliminates scammers, in my experience
1116962;1430427846;ascii_field;esp. when the rare things in question are not 'collectible' idiocies but obscure components
1116963;1430427873;ascii_field;essentially, market 'too small to scam'
1116964;1430427909;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1116965;1430427929;ascii_field;from my point of view, the whole rest of ebay is dross
1116966;1430427982;mircea_popescu;which is why from my point of view the whole thing is dross. i don't buy the stuff you're talking about and why wouldn't i want to be in a shop.
1116967;1430428030;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: afaik you do buy it (pre-08 pc parts, etc) but through meatwot suppliers
1116968;1430428088;mircea_popescu;it all flows from the whole "we can't ~private~ message if we don't have a private relationship" thing. da fuck would i be doing on "online marketplace", dunno anyone there.
1116969;1430428093;ascii_field;but, for example, ebay may well become the only practical source for amd cpu where i live, once amd finally sinks
1116970;1430428128;ascii_field;recall my experience trying to buy items on otc ?
1116971;1430428138;mircea_popescu;amusingly : the normal cellphone "sunk". in the us. it's amply abundant and vastlyt supplied in the real world tho.
1116972;1430428147;ascii_field;there is not sufficient 'mass' there for the kind of things i buy.
1116973;1430428151;mircea_popescu;samsung makes some pretty excellent ones, recent model too
1116974;1430428179;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: they are not entirely unobtainable in usa. just, again, have to buy online.
1116975;1430428214;ascii_field;the shops only supply items 'for the cattle' - that is, most common-as-dirt and aggressively spamvertized
1116976;1430428251;mircea_popescu;jit = shit.
1116977;1430428256;ascii_field;aha.
1116978;1430428346;ascii_field;virtually all of my tools, incidentally, come from ebay and for most of my life i could not have obtained them anywhere else.
1116979;1430428358;ascii_field;(by 'from ebay' meaning, of course, brokered by ebay.)
1116980;1430428384;mircea_popescu;or properly said, Жит = Шит.
1116981;1430428392;ascii_field;l0lwut
1116982;1430428403;mircea_popescu;:D
1116983;1430428421;mircea_popescu;eggog!
1116984;1430428466;ascii_field;my fave abuse: самшит (Buxus sempervirens) ~= 'someshit'
1116985;1430428489;jurov;what's jit? just in time?
1116986;1430428493;mircea_popescu;yeah
1116987;1430428514;mircea_popescu;ascii_field in spanish, "el boj comun".
1116988;1430428531;ascii_field;aha it
1116989;1430428614;mod6;i think the only thing I've ever gotten off ebay was an UltraSPARC II box
1116990;1430428751;*;jurov is ebay virgin
1116991;1430428754;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1116992;1430428872;ascii_field;http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html << example of item i bought on ebay. where the fuck else is it even physically possible to get one of these? sotheby's? it took 5+ yrs of searching, too
1116993;1430428873;assbot;Parallel Port Interface to the Private Eye P4 Head-Mounted Display ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3X5zq )
1116994;1430428889;ascii_field;(subject being the display, not the plug)
1116995;1430428939;ascii_field;or this: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066
1116996;1430428941;assbot;Loper OS » MicroWriter Redux. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3Xdiv )
1116997;1430428998;mircea_popescu;and now we understand alf's real tether to the mordor lands.
1116998;1430429003;mircea_popescu;he needs omidyar.
1116999;1430429010;ascii_field;l0l not like it doesn't work in mongolia
1117000;1430429020;ascii_field;i even bought items from ru, they came in wooden crates
1117001;1430429044;mircea_popescu;it works FROM mongolia.
1117002;1430429045;mircea_popescu;not TO.
1117003;1430429047;mod6;haha. wow, did you ever actually try to get used to using that alf?
1117004;1430429058;ascii_field;mod6: using what
1117005;1430429062;jurov;yea, nobody ships to mongolia
1117006;1430429088;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> it works FROM mongolia. << I've had to use my USian powers to ask sellers questions potential buyers could not ask because they were outside USia
1117007;1430429100;*;ascii_field saw a 747 marked 'ups' in b-ar airport. so perhaps even there.
1117008;1430429109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12393 @ 0.00026411 = 3.2731 BTC [-]
1117009;1430429119;mircea_popescu;by the way, lemme recount the fourth crusade for the benefit of the awareness-raising crowd-sourced crowd.
1117010;1430429128;mod6;The "Private Eye"?
1117011;1430429139;jurov;ascii_field: UPS ships everywere, but the vendors don't want to
1117012;1430429157;ascii_field;jurov: most vendors will work with you if you're willing to pay the actual cost
1117013;1430429162;ascii_field;i certainly do
1117014;1430429318;mod6;the thing is pretty neat
1117015;1430429360;ascii_field;as far as i'm concerned, historically, ebay is just this gizmo that shaves a zero off the price of the costliest things i buy. so i was never moved to care whether it is run by hitler or fueled with baby seal juice etc.
1117016;1430429371;chetty;UPS ships to very happy customs agents in many places
1117017;1430429396;ascii_field;hence the pogo suitcase, aha
1117018;1430429415;ascii_field;i still don't understand why molestation in the post but not in the airport
1117019;1430429424;ascii_field;why is one plundered and the other spared
1117020;1430429434;chetty;lazy
1117021;1430429443;ascii_field;but in the post - not lazy ?
1117022;1430429458;ascii_field;where ups plane unloads - not lazy? but where human plane - lazy ?
1117023;1430429461;ascii_field;how does this work
1117024;1430429473;mod6;To read about all those other people you’ve got to buy the Professional version or even the Enterprise Edition.  << lol
1117025;1430429474;chetty;walking out of work with a box or two is a lot easier than a yard of paperwork in an airport
1117026;1430429558;chetty;and you dont even have to process a box you never saw :P
1117027;1430429578;jurov;i have long time ago won an ipod mini from ibm. ofc they sent it by post and it was clear case for customs how much such ipod costs and asked a tax
1117028;1430429615;jurov;if i imported it on my bosy, what are they to do?
1117029;1430429621;jurov;*body
1117030;1430429673;mircea_popescu;chetty> UPS ships to very happy customs agents in many places << heh very much that
1117031;1430429691;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you do not understand contemporary "man"
1117032;1430429696;mircea_popescu;he's a thief, but not a robber.
1117033;1430429700;mircea_popescu;he's an onanist, not a rapist.
1117034;1430429708;mircea_popescu;he likes children, not women. pictures, not meat.
1117035;1430429716;mircea_popescu;words, not things. certificates, not knowledge.
1117036;1430429719;ascii_field;in other words lazy ?
1117037;1430429722;mircea_popescu;it's a meta problem.
1117038;1430429728;mircea_popescu;no, in other words mentally ill.
1117039;1430429740;ascii_field;laziness or cowardice - or both ?
1117040;1430429747;mircea_popescu;no, simple insanity.
1117041;1430429816;mircea_popescu;and this is set to aggravate, by the way. physical presence becoming rarer and rarer and expensiver and expensiver, the necessary result of the interplay of its rarity with the above mental condition is that
1117042;1430429832;mircea_popescu;well... in effect we'll all get super powers. like literal gods of mythology. "if im here everything works"
1117043;1430429839;mircea_popescu;like the keeper of a bunch of slaves.
1117044;1430429846;*;ascii_field is a bit confused here
1117045;1430429847;mircea_popescu;say on an ancient galley.
1117046;1430429851;ascii_field;physical presence expensive ?
1117047;1430429853;ascii_field;how/why?
1117048;1430429888;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> not having to go to shops  <<<
1117049;1430429901;mircea_popescu;what is that ? go queue at the dmv. why not ?
1117050;1430429908;ascii_field;going to a shop merely to get a piece of paper is dumb, period
1117051;1430429915;ascii_field;i no longer have to queue at 'dmv' either
1117052;1430429923;ascii_field;(driver license sent in the post)
1117053;1430429925;mircea_popescu;"my being here is more expensive than the whole fucking shop would cost to build"
1117054;1430430011;*;ascii_field doesn't (as far as knows) have super power. possibly one has to be mircea_popescu weight class to notice this effect.
1117055;1430430120;mircea_popescu;give it time.
1117056;1430430126;mircea_popescu;and for the promised fourth crusade story :
1117057;1430430127;mircea_popescu;so, I. a bunch of militarily powerful, intellectually naive westerners made an army to go beat up the muslims and take jerusalem.
1117058;1430430128;mircea_popescu;II.a. random byzantine (militarily worthless, intellectually overpowering) entity convinces them to help him "recover" his "stolen" throne, as if the byzantines ever did anything else or anyone had a valid claim, or the possibility of a valid claim even existed in their world.
1117059;1430430128;mircea_popescu;II.b. and further promised them the "pearl in heavens", a very classical device in greek gay drama (since at least the days of darius, this empty promises as a path to military glory. the greeks invented "fake it till you make it")
1117060;1430430130;mircea_popescu;III. they take adrianople, and their presence alters "reality" as the greeks perceive it. so their guy is named co-emperor.
1117061;1430430133;mircea_popescu;IV. the "crowdsource" revolts. this alters "reality" once more, their guy is promptly poisoned.
1117062;1430430135;mircea_popescu;V. they decide to conquer the fucking city. because by now they've got an inkling of the pure filth the greeks are. so they do, and burn it, and cauterize the place.
1117063;1430430138;mircea_popescu;moral : democracy is for the mentally ill ; the rewards of democracy are rape and arson, often enough delivered with the same stick.
1117064;1430430256;ascii_field;promised them the "pearl in heavens" << aka 'jam tomorrow'
1117065;1430430268;mircea_popescu;if dandolo had any sense they'd have plowed and salted constantinople, and sold all the women to the turks.
1117066;1430430355;mircea_popescu;ascii_field there was this mildly famous gay boy of athens whose name escapes me at the moment, literally got a whole trireme detachment on unbacked promises of great pay (from persia iirc ?) and well... there they sat.
1117067;1430430526;ascii_field;eco had a pretty good piece set in 4th crusade
1117068;1430430530;mircea_popescu;antonio doria, before being cut down by the french at crecy, was a rather successful genoese pirate. the pirate captain's regime collapsed over his (and others) failure to pay.
1117069;1430430542;mircea_popescu;(well, he tried to pay in debased coinage, anyway. caused a revolt)
1117070;1430430577;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1117071;1430430623;mircea_popescu;if i were younger and more bored (really, less involved with actual things) i might consider rewriting the history of the world from the only sane perspective : as the endless "interplay" between two types of people : the sane, and the imperceptibly mentally ill.
1117072;1430430635;mircea_popescu;the former try to make things, the latter try to pass of their pretenses.
1117073;1430430643;mircea_popescu;this is pretty much all history to date.
1117074;1430430651;ascii_field;imperceptibly ?! l0l
1117075;1430430657;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1117076;1430430667;mircea_popescu;nobody thinks of, say, obama as mentally ill.
1117077;1430430672;mircea_popescu;he "seems fine".
1117078;1430430682;ascii_field;only because 'running the asylum'
1117079;1430430701;mircea_popescu;well... you know, the junkie is also imperceptibly addicted.
1117080;1430430716;ascii_field;to a sane future folk, he would seem as frothingly-mad as chingis khan seems to today's liberasts
1117081;1430430729;mircea_popescu;except the khan seems coldly sane.
1117082;1430430736;ascii_field;to the sane.
1117083;1430430752;mircea_popescu;hence the problem
1117084;1430430757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00027589 = 2.9796 BTC [+]
1117085;1430430844;mircea_popescu;in short : those who do are dull. "i do not wish to think about these things, i have better stuff to do!!1". those who don't are insane. but who's to notice ? they themselves can't, the others can't be bothered. so... imperceptibly insane.
1117086;1430430847;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ... consider rewriting the history of the world from the only sane perspective : as the endless "interplay" between two types of people : the sane, and the imperceptibly mentally ill << nietzsche, or, far better, limonov
1117087;1430430862;mircea_popescu;neither of them actually played the gibbon.
1117088;1430430876;ascii_field;right
1117089;1430430899;ascii_field;would need serious mad hermit, to pull this one off
1117090;1430430901;mircea_popescu;actually, hopefully we end up in prison, like the early soviet leadership. i'm gonna write a dictionary and a history of the world.
1117091;1430430923;mircea_popescu;by the time i'm done, it's time to start butchering the powers that used to be.
1117092;1430430933;mircea_popescu;check it out, my life all planned out.
1117093;1430430938;ascii_field;l0l
1117094;1430430961;*;ascii_field doesn't expect to be taken prisoner alive, but wishes mircea_popescu a jolly good meinkampfing
1117095;1430430968;mircea_popescu;surely.
1117096;1430430982;williamdunne;mein bit
1117097;1430430984;mircea_popescu;tell you what, there's not going to be any "anastasias" out of the current imperial family.
1117098;1430431003;mircea_popescu;i fully intent to ejaculate down the cut throat of every single female involved.
1117099;1430431004;ascii_field;ashtrays, lampshades, aha
1117100;1430431015;williamdunne;Lovely image
1117101;1430431023;mircea_popescu;do things right for once.
1117102;1430431054;ascii_field;the alt.tasteless term of art, iirc, was 'to squick'
1117103;1430431083;mircea_popescu;honestly, my greatest regret in this life so far is that ~100k romanian ex-various state things survived the year 1990.
1117104;1430431100;ascii_field;of what consequence are the muppets ?
1117105;1430431110;mircea_popescu;you have no aesthetic appreciation.
1117106;1430431112;ascii_field;it's rather like cutting up enemy cannon after a war, no ?
1117107;1430431116;mircea_popescu;yup.
1117108;1430431120;ascii_field;the cannon do not will anything
1117109;1430431124;mircea_popescu;i did that, too.
1117110;1430431127;mircea_popescu;i also break keyboards.
1117111;1430431136;mircea_popescu;salt the fucking byzantium. after the war.
1117112;1430431147;ascii_field;now this, on the whole - yes.
1117113;1430431147;mircea_popescu;women off to tadjikistan, milk goats in chains for the rest of their lives
1117114;1430431161;ascii_field;!s hear the lamentations
1117115;1430431162;assbot;1 results for 'hear the lamentations' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hear+the+lamentations
1117116;1430431219;mircea_popescu;and now, for contrast, i give you shamir.
1117117;1430431238;*;ascii_field wonders if he missed something re: shamir
1117118;1430431243;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1113266
1117119;1430431243;assbot;Logged on 27-04-2015 20:04:21; danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9HimLksMkA
1117120;1430431244;ascii_field;last i recall, he was turned out of usa
1117121;1430431288;ascii_field;is there a transcript ?
1117122;1430431348;mircea_popescu;i should prolly have one made, come to think about it.
1117123;1430431352;mircea_popescu;gimme a minute
1117124;1430431393;mircea_popescu;anyway, watching the derp go about how "we need regulation" suddenly made me comprehend why exactly von meck actually belonged beheaded.
1117125;1430431429;mircea_popescu;brilliant guy, inescapably stupid. what are you gonna do ? can't empower stupid. off to the gulag with him.
1117126;1430431438;ascii_field;von meck ?
1117127;1430431454;mircea_popescu;you know, the "wrecker" who was "trying to make the train tracks run down faster"
1117128;1430431465;ascii_field;aha that one
1117129;1430431559;mircea_popescu;framing the discussion in terms of intellectual ability is completely missing the salient points. nobody ever gets offed for being either academically smart or stupid, it's orthogonal.
1117130;1430431591;mircea_popescu;the insane can either live in the camps nor not live at all, that's the problem there. sanity, not intelligence.
1117131;1430431730;ascii_field;except - sometimes, the sane - to the camps.
1117132;1430431773;mircea_popescu;find me this happening.
1117133;1430431796;ascii_field;say 2020.
1117134;1430431815;mircea_popescu;gotta be in the past eh ?
1117135;1430431816;ascii_field;... 1937?
1117136;1430431820;mircea_popescu;who ?
1117137;1430431830;mircea_popescu;who was sane and in a camp in 1937 ? the jews ?!
1117138;1430431857;ascii_field;pretty much everyone interesting minus epsilon in su
1117139;1430431864;mircea_popescu;doing what, sanely waiting for the messiah ? (the real one this time!)
1117140;1430431875;mircea_popescu;everyone interesting was, sadly, not sane, in the su.
1117141;1430431896;ascii_field;ok i'll bite:
1117142;1430431899;mircea_popescu;the sane were pretty much either dead under the white flag, or else involved in subverting the red.
1117143;1430431906;ascii_field;what'd a 'sane' korolev have looked like?
1117144;1430431987;mircea_popescu;at the time ? mebbe hughes ?
1117145;1430432013;ascii_field;describe hypothetical mechanism whereby he could have hughesed.
1117146;1430432033;mircea_popescu;there is no requirement that graph be arbitrarily traversable.
1117147;1430432043;mircea_popescu;even the translation is more than can be promised
1117148;1430432054;ascii_field;probably sikorsky is better example
1117149;1430432079;mircea_popescu;i'm really not enough of an expert in the field to be all that confident.
1117150;1430432169;ascii_field;my observation is that escape artistry and, e.g., rocketry, are - at best - orthogonal abilities
1117151;1430432204;mircea_popescu;sanity and intelligence are unrelated, yes.
1117152;1430432412;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1117153;1430432433;ascii_field;unrelated: that sks key mega-dump is in a ludicrous format - .gpg binary turds with 10,000s of pubkeys in each
1117154;1430432452;ascii_field;will have to write something to cut this up
1117155;1430432472;ascii_field;unless someone has just such a thing handy
1117156;1430432651;jurov;gpg cannot use/export it directly?
1117157;1430432765;jurov;also unrelated: today was btrfs day (drive with few subvolumes times tens of snapshots filled, i have embarked on some cleanup)
1117158;1430432788;mircea_popescu;gl
1117159;1430432811;jurov;kernel oopses are apparently completely sop
1117160;1430432870;mircea_popescu;must be because of cpanel.
1117161;1430432881;jurov;and atime/relatime + periodic snapshotting (like suse does by default) causes metadata to grow out of any bounds
1117162;1430432949;mircea_popescu;as trinque will explain, this is a solved problem :
1117163;1430432953;mircea_popescu;just make a record of it
1117164;1430432979;*;mircea_popescu crowns himself as the one true troll of b-a. so there.
1117165;1430432983;jurov;hahaha i got this idea you know
1117166;1430433011;jurov;to make fuse filesystem to track atimes so that brtfs needs not to bother
1117167;1430433029;jurov;indeed making a record of it
1117168;1430433041;mircea_popescu;win.
1117169;1430433571;jurov;oh and I forgot this gem: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83011
1117170;1430433574;assbot;Bug 83011 – BUG_ON should be eradicated from the btrfs source tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1FB8qnm )
1117171;1430433616;jurov;btrfs docs all but say that it obsoletes partition tables
1117172;1430433640;jurov;you're supposed to have One pool with One filesystem
1117173;1430433711;jurov;so if something happens to it, system does not deserve to go on anymore
1117174;1430433759;BingoBoingo;Euthanizing Filesystem?
1117175;1430433928;jurov;more like... if it commits suicide, better take everything with it
1117176;1430433961;BingoBoingo;Ah, jihadi filesystem
1117177;1430433977;jurov;^this
1117178;1430434063;jurov;loks like hans reiser should be released and properly armed
1117179;1430434318;mircea_popescu;give the man a tank huh
1117180;1430434578;jurov;just to be fair, all was resolved without data loss
1117181;1430434599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32107 @ 0.00026411 = 8.4798 BTC [-]
1117182;1430435223;scoopbot_revived;News! Shamir's derpage URL: http://trilema.com/2015/shamirs-derpage/
1117183;1430435272;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ transcript
1117184;1430435453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00024999 = 5.9873 BTC [-] {2} 
1117185;1430435830;scoopbot_revived;News! Google Password Alert Already Subverted URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/google-password-alert-already-subverted/
1117186;1430435997;BingoBoingo;^Some google derpage
1117187;1430436084;mircea_popescu;if(document.getElementById("warning_banner")) {     document.getElementById("warning_banner").remove();
1117188;1430436085;mircea_popescu;heh
1117189;1430436243;BingoBoingo;Seriously.remove()
1117190;1430436315;mircea_popescu;document.getelementbyherpage.security.remove()
1117191;1430436385;BingoBoingo;!b 6
1117192;1430436386;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/220GR7D.txt )
1117193;1430436950;ben_vulpes;where's my log summary gurl
1117194;1430437100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9808 @ 0.0002557 = 2.5079 BTC [+]
1117195;1430437283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00024825 = 7.1496 BTC [-]
1117196;1430437339;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115178 << wao
1117197;1430437339;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 03:10:26; mircea_popescu: http://www.gotw.ca/publications/concurrency-ddj.htm << check it out, apparently moore law stopped a decade ago.
1117198;1430437900;williamdunne;Must've accidentally trashed the email alerting me of it
1117199;1430437908;williamdunne;Did the council of elders agree to this?
1117200;1430437982;ben_vulpes;where's your THz chip, williamdunne?
1117201;1430437995;ben_vulpes;i'd like one just like it.
1117202;1430438014;williamdunne;I'm using it to mine bitcoin in iceland
1117203;1430438020;williamdunne;Its srsbznz