1036407;1425168018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113953 @ 0.00040584 = 46.2467 BTC [-] {2} 1036408;1425168079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5397 @ 0.00039494 = 2.1315 BTC [-] 1036409;1425168270;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: to round off the earlier thread, house will be confiscated a) ahead of schedule, if you get lucky b) when your local real estate racket's ability to crank out drywall, pour cement, assemble the thing is outpaced by, e.g., flood of $refugees from $pisshole who 'deserve' your house and your neighbour's 1036410;1425168329;asciilifeform;when it becomes a question of physical difficulty in obtaining any other way, or even prior - a symbolic but tasty bone thrown to folks who hate you for what you are - the confiscations. 1036411;1425168431;ben_vulpes;how do rentals fare in this model? 1036412;1425168468;asciilifeform;packed denser, repaired even more seldom, and again denser, and at geometrically climbing cost 1036413;1425168480;ben_vulpes;does the political power du jour really go so far as to entirely alienate the rentiers? 1036414;1425168562;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996757 << obligatory thread 1036415;1425168562;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 04:09:15; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein) 1036416;1425168581;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the rentiers are swimming 'in chocolate' and happier than could ever wish 1036417;1425168591;asciilifeform;the renters - different story. 1036418;1425168625;ben_vulpes;'chocolate'? 1036419;1425168648;ben_vulpes;i'm sure there's some fatalistic reasoning against buying property and renting it out in this scenario 1036420;1425168648;asciilifeform;'gravy' in trad. engl. i think. 1036421;1425168658;ben_vulpes;aha. 1036422;1425168686;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: where i live, the rental racket is being rapidly rolled up by mega-conglomerates who specialize in building titanic blocks of communal flats 1036423;1425168689;asciilifeform;literally communal 1036424;1425168696;asciilifeform;(see linked thread) 1036425;1425168731;asciilifeform;just a few hrs ago i drove past a street where they were knocking down, as we speak, sixteen or so blocks of rental houses 1036426;1425168746;asciilifeform;where mega-highrise kommunal flats will be built 1036427;1425168775;asciilifeform;these will be inhabited, incidentally, by chumps feeding the 'college' chumpatron 1036428;1425168811;asciilifeform;(the on-campus housing is packed to the gunnels) 1036429;1425168860;asciilifeform;these folks are being prepared, by the flats far more so than anything in the lecture halls, for how the rest of their lives will be lived. 1036430;1425168872;asciilifeform;if their luck holds. 1036431;1425168911;ben_vulpes;'komunalki' < hm 1036432;1425168913;ben_vulpes;yeah. 1036433;1425168917;ben_vulpes;see also kibbutz 1036434;1425168921;ben_vulpes;? 1036435;1425168926;asciilifeform;nah 1036436;1425168943;asciilifeform;kibbutz, kolhoz - had at least a nominal collective purpose 1036437;1425168954;asciilifeform;rather than straight cynical meat warehouse 1036438;1425168968;asciilifeform;the practical difference is that folks -work- at a kolhoz 1036439;1425168977;asciilifeform;not merely park their arses there 1036440;1425169029;gabriel_laddel;Incidentally, a friend of mine from Romania told me a story about what happened to his family's house during the communist revolution: It was seized, concrete was poured on the (expensive hardwood!) floors after it was stripped of any valuables. 1036441;1425169042;gabriel_laddel;Used for communal something-or-other 1036442;1425169064;gabriel_laddel;also the kibbutz is a voluntary arrangement afaik 1036443;1425169071;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919411 1036444;1425169071;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 05:31:28; asciilifeform: 'Astolphe de Custine was brought up for a time by a faithful servant, living in penury with her in the only room of the Custine home that had not been looted and sealed off by Jacobin zealots and thieves.' 1036445;1425169095;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: voluntary (nominally) for the adults, yes 1036446;1425169224;asciilifeform;outfits such as 'google', i'm told, are experimenting with bringing back the factory dormitory. which would have a bright future in usa, if there were any factories 1036447;1425169294;gabriel_laddel;the hell that googlers live in now is amusing 1036448;1425169312;asciilifeform;the hell they lived in from day one was always amusing 1036449;1425169315;asciilifeform;from safe distance 1036450;1425169371;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607098 << relevant classic thread 1036451;1425169371;assbot;Logged on 06-04-2014 05:30:22; asciilifeform: one man's 300k is not the same as another's 1036452;1425169390;gabriel_laddel;hehe yeah 1036453;1425169454;gabriel_laddel;I've listened to my friends talk about their sibling's lives at google. They make (nominally) lots of money, but it all is consumed by the costs of living. 1036454;1425169510;gabriel_laddel;I think this "Stanislav Datskovskiy" guy has the right idea though... 1036455;1425169516;gabriel_laddel;Question for Mr. M: 1036456;1425169516;gabriel_laddel;In an "arbeit macht frei" world, will you - in particular - be permitted to busy yourself with writing unorthodox operating systems - or, for that matter, articles like this one? Or with carving wooden toys? 1036457;1425169516;gabriel_laddel;Who gets to become a "delicate aristocrat," dodging carving duty, and why? 1036458;1425169516;gabriel_laddel;Could we instead ask for concertina wire, mine fields, and automatic turrets separating the human beings - with their robotic plenty - from the zombies, with their decay and hunger for flesh? 1036459;1425169516;gabriel_laddel;Has anyone considered the possibility that the living dead are kept around, safe from the Soilent Green pot, encouraged to be fruitful and multiply, etc. precisely to help make arbeit macht frei ever so slowly more palatable to the remaining humans? 1036460;1425169517;gabriel_laddel;I hope you like carving toys (or demunging databases) for Mr. Altman and his ilk. Because that is what we'll both be doing soon enough. If permitted to live... 1036461;1425169517;gabriel_laddel;"Where do you want to go today?" To a Sharashka or garden-variety GULAG? Largely a matter of taste (and luck.) 1036462;1425169520;gabriel_laddel;from http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/03/sam-altman-is-not-blithering-idiot.html 1036463;1425169521;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: Sam Altman is not a blithering idiot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnlA1X ) 1036464;1425169540;asciilifeform;l0l 1036465;1425169557;*;asciilifeform tries to recall what that was about 1036466;1425169645;asciilifeform;incidentally - and i am quite sure that mr mold would disagree - but he went to the precise place where i proclaimed he is doomed to go. 1036467;1425169653;asciilifeform;when his benjie bag ran dry. 1036468;1425169667;gabriel_laddel;the impotent bezzle-lords? 1036469;1425169677;gabriel_laddel;yeah 1036470;1425169683;asciilifeform;more specifically. 1036471;1425169686;gabriel_laddel;urbit it teh lameness 1036472;1425169723;asciilifeform;no more urbit circa '2010, and certainly no 'unqualified reservations', but urbit-flavoured webdev for arseappchatbookville. 1036473;1425169747;gabriel_laddel;"urbit-flavoured webdev" lol where? 1036474;1425169755;asciilifeform;why funded and by whom ? 1036475;1425169773;asciilifeform;watch his film (somebody filmed him pitching at a conference of one kind or another) 1036476;1425169805;asciilifeform;now, no one is at risk for having to do web dev in it 1036477;1425169828;asciilifeform;but as i gather the urbit folks are occupied primarily with pitching just this elaborate scam on the vc circuit 1036478;1425169840;BingoBoingo;reservations http://sexylosers.com/021.html 1036479;1425169841;assbot;#021 - The Strip From Hell ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnmvPY ) 1036480;1425169841;asciilifeform;hence precious little time left over for actual work 1036481;1425169861;gabriel_laddel;I don't think it's a scam exactly... what they want is for nothing to change, and he provided it. :/ 1036482;1425169862;asciilifeform;(of which, because of the braindamaged design, there is an inexhaustible amount) 1036483;1425170038;gabriel_laddel;"why funded and by whom ?" << I really can't figure this out, it's like the relationship the USG club have with the Saudis. *mumble mumble* ... little boys... *mumble mumble* 1036484;1425170047;asciilifeform;^ 1036485;1425170053;asciilifeform;aka 'merit wash' 1036486;1425170058;gabriel_laddel;The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/ 1036487;1425170082;asciilifeform;but also a certain amount of 'sultan has infinite money, why shouldn't he sit down on a toilet of monocrystalline diamond, the costlier and more useless - the better' 1036488;1425170099;asciilifeform;why ru oligarchs buy british sport teams, without giving a damn whether it wins or loses, etc 1036489;1425170122;asciilifeform;see also mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' article. 1036490;1425170129;gabriel_laddel;Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while... 1036491;1425170167;gabriel_laddel;Also, I /don't like/ the macbook retina, fancy as it may be 1036492;1425170168;asciilifeform;the madness of the terminally bored is key to understanding much of what we spoke of here. 1036493;1425170202;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i recently watched such a machine burst lcd for no discernible reason 1036494;1425170207;asciilifeform;right in front of me 1036495;1425170229;gabriel_laddel;lolol 1036496;1425170231;asciilifeform;apple wouldn't take it back. 1036497;1425170252;asciilifeform;it was roughly 2 wks old. 1036498;1425170253;gabriel_laddel;unsurprising. Mine would get extremely hot for no particular reason. 1036499;1425170276;asciilifeform;another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so 1036500;1425170285;gabriel_laddel;hahahahahaa 1036501;1425170294;asciilifeform;and - he'll be given an identical box. 1036502;1425170299;asciilifeform;because what's the alternative. 1036503;1425170300;gabriel_laddel;feminist computing, about as good as feministfim 1036504;1425170304;gabriel_laddel;feminist theater 1036505;1425170342;gabriel_laddel;(I have a $300 compaq that I prefer to any apple crapware - same one as MP iirc) 1036506;1425170362;asciilifeform;link? 1036507;1425170388;gabriel_laddel;http://www.amazon.com/CQ57-439WM-Presario-Dual-Core-Accelerated-Processor/dp/B007DXEOEU 1036508;1425170390;assbot;Amazon.com: Compaq CQ57-439WM 16-Inch Presario Laptop PC (AMD Dual-Core E-300 Accelerated Processor and Windows 7 Home Premium): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/18abSHy ) 1036509;1425170428;asciilifeform;do all the peripherals - incl. gpu and power management module (e.g., suspend-to-ram) function without burping under linux/bsd ? 1036510;1425170446;asciilifeform;can i connect 10,000 x 8,000 of lcd acreage ? 1036511;1425170453;gabriel_laddel;I doubt it. 1036512;1425170455;asciilifeform;ecc ram ? 1036513;1425170465;gabriel_laddel;probably not 1036514;1425170473;asciilifeform;see where this is going ? 1036515;1425170494;asciilifeform;apple plays like monopolist because it -is- a monopoly 1036516;1425170501;asciilifeform;on portable unix box that sorta works 1036517;1425170526;gabriel_laddel;Yes. Someone needs to specify their requirements, then someone else needs to take a trip to china, find suppliers etc. and assemble somthing sane. Like system76, except not for Ubuntu crap 1036518;1425170540;asciilifeform;sane is countereconomic. 1036519;1425170552;gabriel_laddel;Nonsense. 1036520;1425170552;asciilifeform;who's gonna pay the $25K that thing will - inevitably - cost ? 1036521;1425170586;gabriel_laddel;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html 1036522;1425170587;assbot;Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnplEL ) 1036523;1425170596;gabriel_laddel;^ you'll remember this 1036524;1425170600;asciilifeform;aha 1036525;1425170630;asciilifeform;or my own 'professional computing' article 1036526;1425170639;gabriel_laddel;sure. 1036527;1425170661;gabriel_laddel;Also, MP gave 20K to openBSD - there are people willing to fund such ventures. 1036528;1425170662;asciilifeform;incidentally, there is apparently a market for diamond-and-gold-encrusted but otherwise ordinary wintel laptops. 1036529;1425170668;asciilifeform;but not professional equipment. go figure. 1036530;1425170674;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: 20k is pocket change 1036531;1425170683;asciilifeform;in hardware biz 1036532;1425170696;gabriel_laddel;I agree. My point is that there is a market. 1036533;1425170707;gabriel_laddel;I'd happily pay 100k for a computer that actual /worked/ 1036534;1425170708;asciilifeform;it wouldn't buy a (new) pick'n'place robot, for example, unless you go ultra-chinese 1036535;1425170775;gabriel_laddel;My point with the 20k is that there are individuals who are willing to fund such ventures. Yes, MP hasn't put up 5MM usd for sane computing, but afaik, no one has proposed such a plan to him. 1036536;1425170796;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: problem is, the folks willing to be the 'pioneers with arrows in their back' would each have to pay 100M not 100K for the thing to happen. 1036537;1425170822;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: possibly because i explained to him just what would be involved 1036538;1425170826;gabriel_laddel;I disagree. You want to do this in one fell swoop. There are other ways to go about it. 1036539;1425170837;asciilifeform;and how 5m wouldn't even appear as a droplet of rain in the seven seas. 1036540;1425170860;asciilifeform;this is probably where we are doomed to disagree. 1036541;1425170876;gabriel_laddel;If your goal is to do a chip level restart, one needn't start there, from a business perspective. 1036542;1425170886;gabriel_laddel;And yes, we probably are doomed to disagree. 1036543;1425170893;asciilifeform;i specifically assign the failure of each and every attempt to date with the notion that you can get to the moon by piling chairs. 1036544;1425170938;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: well actually your observation is correct above: the only way to fund such a thing is to be obscenely successful in some entirely unrelated venture. 1036545;1425170959;asciilifeform;so quite right - one needn't (mustn't!) start there. 1036546;1425170966;gabriel_laddel;I'm glad to have communicated that. 1036547;1425170993;asciilifeform;but if that venture relates to computing in any way, you will probably render your brain unfit for the original mission. 1036548;1425171041;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: after putting your brain through x86 etc. you're unable to think non-von neumann? 1036549;1425171046;gabriel_laddel;nonsense. 1036550;1425171050;asciilifeform;no 1036551;1425171057;asciilifeform;more abstract problem 1036552;1425171065;gabriel_laddel;do explain 1036553;1425171073;asciilifeform;when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it 1036554;1425171123;gabriel_laddel;! how did I end up doing this? 1036555;1425171134;gabriel_laddel;!s how did I end up doing this? 1036556;1425171135;assbot;0 results for 'how did I end up doing this?' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=how+did+I+end+up+doing+this%3F 1036557;1425171135;asciilifeform;and no one will undo the 40 yrs of retardation who has reached this state 1036558;1425171149;asciilifeform;must be fueled by burning hatred for the way it all is 1036559;1425171179;BingoBoingo;"Cocaine Induced Brain Atrophy" is the obstacle 1036560;1425171185;gabriel_laddel;my search failed, but I specifically remember you complaining in here about what you currently do. You've been doing this for some time now iirc 1036561;1425171192;asciilifeform;for the 'a-students' who have all the crud memorized unthinkingly and 'are marketable' 1036562;1425171207;BingoBoingo; when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it << With regard to this 1036563;1425171208;asciilifeform;for the microshit and www stack shit eaters 1036564;1425171208;asciilifeform;etc 1036565;1425171209;gabriel_laddel;also, I've been doing this programming thing for going on 3 years - let me be clear - I /hate/ it. 1036566;1425171217;asciilifeform;keep hating. 1036567;1425171222;gabriel_laddel;cocaine causes your brain to atrophy? 1036568;1425171238;asciilifeform;it lets you know - you're still a man 1036569;1425171302;gabriel_laddel;related to "cocaine" - the only way I can do boring parsing tasks anymore is by drinking enough caffine to get high. 1036570;1425171310;gabriel_laddel;else it is simply far too boring 1036571;1425171325;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: When you make your fortune on stupidity, the cocaine you can afford makes you liek the stupidity 1036572;1425171326;asciilifeform;prepare for the day when the dope doesn't work, the flesh had enough 1036573;1425171344;asciilifeform;^ goes equally well for king and slave alike 1036574;1425171363;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Could also be called yacht or pile of hookers induced brain atrophy 1036575;1425171373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00041283 = 7.7406 BTC [+] 1036576;1425171375;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: well yes, c does modify the rewards pathway, but one neednt do it. 1036577;1425171390;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the next phase of the disease, as i understand, is to 'turn nero' 1036578;1425171410;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: where do you suppose the legends of moneyed folks hunting bipedal prey in arizona, etc. come from ? 1036579;1425171426;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Exactly 1036580;1425171429;asciilifeform;milder cases - fund urbits 1036581;1425171474;gabriel_laddel;^ on the macro scale, far more damaging 1036582;1425171517;asciilifeform;believe or not, this actually happened in past empires 1036583;1425171532;gabriel_laddel;Hunting humans? Of course. 1036584;1425171533;asciilifeform;e.g., turkish eunuch having (decorative, naturally!) harems of their own, complete with... eunuch guards 1036585;1425171550;asciilifeform;speaking of multilevel parasitism here 1036586;1425171554;asciilifeform;hunting - sop 1036587;1425171596;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2015-statement/ 1036588;1425171610;cazalla;damn, you scooped that instantly scoopbot 1036589;1425171885;gabriel_laddel;Vaguely related to the conversation above, I'm hoping for a war sometime soon - they are a good way to go about separating content from nonsense. Von N., Teller, etc. wouldn't have been able to work on the atomic bomb without the various powers that be helping out. 1036590;1425171894;gabriel_laddel;I suspect we won't have to wait long. 1036591;1425171899;gabriel_laddel;Vaguely related: 1036592;1425171910;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: check your time machine settings. you've arrived at the wrong war 1036593;1425171916;gabriel_laddel;Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable. 1036594;1425171917;gabriel_laddel;-- Milton Friedman 1036595;1425171923;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: how so? 1036596;1425171943;asciilifeform;this one is gonna be short on manhattan project and long on amulets issued to the cannon fodder that 'ward off bullets with the power of jizzus' 1036597;1425171953;asciilifeform;a la iran-iraq war 1036598;1425171959;asciilifeform;or boko haram. 1036599;1425172004;gabriel_laddel;nah, those who invest in voodoo will get slaughtered by those who enact the plan you voiced on Mr. M's blog. 1036600;1425172025;asciilifeform;it'll be voodoo + 50 yrs. of accumulated modern arms 1036601;1425172078;asciilifeform;presently tested against designated foreign 'orcs' (what do you suppose urban battallions in iraq was a dress rehearsal for ?) 1036602;1425172096;*;gabriel_laddel is not entirely sure how things will play out, but MF's prescription is really the only available option 1036603;1425172104;BingoBoingo;Yesterday's linked megalol re: video voodoo is related 1036604;1425172109;gabriel_laddel;in any case, I don't plan to be around for it 1036605;1425172122;asciilifeform;pointing out that the voodoo will be the wunderwaffen of choice for a hypothetical 'berlin '45' usg, rather than wunderwaffen 1036606;1425172137;asciilifeform;(of the working hardware kind) 1036607;1425172190;asciilifeform;not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose 1036608;1425172209;asciilifeform;right now (see earlier thread) 'fat' is embezzled. what of when 'meat' is ? 1036609;1425172247;asciilifeform;say, today there's a 'quadra tracker' for every five or six working portable mass-spec products, what if the proportion were reversed ? 1036610;1425172280;asciilifeform;what if, as in mircea_popescu's gedankenexperiment, usg were unable to resupply its men on schedule ? 1036611;1425172293;asciilifeform;then - we learn what the 'b plan' is. 1036612;1425172308;asciilifeform;my guess - quite like the soviet 'b plan' 1036613;1425172325;asciilifeform;consisting of a buncha newly minted retirees in the swiss alps 1036614;1425172341;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036409 << speaking of the entire "deserve your house', the fema experiments in st louis were a complete success. 1036615;1425172341;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 00:04:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to round off the earlier thread, house will be confiscated a) ahead of schedule, if you get lucky b) when your local real estate racket's ability to crank out drywall, pour cement, assemble the thing is outpaced by, e.g., flood of $refugees from $pisshole who 'deserve' your house and your neighbour's 1036616;1425172381;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's nothing whatever optional about these "plans". they're not plans in the normal sense, moar like, "what is the plan b of yonder artificial lake, once dykes fail ?" 1036617;1425172400;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: sov. plan b >> http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Gorbachev-and-Pete-Mercedes-560-SEL.png (left hand. gorby on a very well-known d.c. street.) 1036618;1425172403;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E471Ed ) 1036619;1425172412;mircea_popescu;us has been run on the path of least resistance since at least the 60s 1036620;1425172426;gabriel_laddel;I will note for those reading, Argentina's orcs look the part. 1036621;1425172440;gabriel_laddel;perhaps mircea_popescu will expound on the situation there? 1036622;1425172443;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel how so ? 1036623;1425172468;mircea_popescu;ahaha that pete mercedes pic. dude looks like a total stoner paratrooper. 1036624;1425172473;mircea_popescu;"i have come to liberate the buds man!" 1036625;1425172477;asciilifeform;l0l 1036626;1425172503;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: local political situation (are the orcs known as such?), number of useful nuclear engineers to take care of the two reactors you've got etc. 1036627;1425172519;mircea_popescu;actually this was in log, lemme see. 1036628;1425172524;asciilifeform;"what is the plan b of yonder artificial lake, once dykes fail ?" << 'what should one do when a shell lands in the trench ?' -- 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.' (brit., circa ww1) 1036629;1425172610;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2015#985095 1036630;1425172610;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2015 23:17:04; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me 1036631;1425172615;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel ^ that entire discussion 1036632;1425172696;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ar has ru-style 'meetings' ? i.e. crowds of folks with prefab picket signs, paid chump change to wave around ? 1036633;1425172703;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036423 << ironically, the decay contains its own cure. there is literally nothing better for your average redditard than a forced communal living situation. 1036634;1425172703;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 00:11:29; asciilifeform: literally communal 1036635;1425172719;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah. and they're all colored. 1036636;1425172736;mircea_popescu;(argentina is moar racist than 1850s charleston, you gotta be white.) 1036637;1425172744;gabriel_laddel;sounds like home 1036638;1425172786;mircea_popescu;not aryan white, either. dat vampire look, darkhaired goldilocks 1036639;1425172808;asciilifeform;wai wat 1036640;1425172844;mircea_popescu;yes. 1036641;1425172873;gabriel_laddel;http://imgur.com/zwz0KnY << does this quality? I've not heard of this "darkhaired goldilocks" before... 1036642;1425172874;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1E48M4t ) 1036643;1425172874;mircea_popescu;i fully expect they elect 15yo christina ricci as the next president. 1036644;1425172889;BingoBoingo;!b 5 1036645;1425172890;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/00SWTGT.txt ) 1036646;1425172907;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel mebbe. 1036647;1425172951;mircea_popescu;is that you ? 1036648;1425172961;gabriel_laddel;yeah 1036649;1425172974;mircea_popescu;all teh cute doods are in b-a i swear. 1036650;1425172981;gabriel_laddel;:) 1036651;1425172997;asciilifeform;lol i thought it was pete_dushenski 1036652;1425173014;mircea_popescu;fwiw, i thought you were like 50. 1036653;1425173023;gabriel_laddel;me? 1036654;1425173025;gabriel_laddel;why? 1036655;1425173098;mircea_popescu;you sound ancient, whadda ya want from me 1036656;1425173105;gabriel_laddel;lolk. 1036657;1425173124;*;asciilifeform used to routinely get flames which presumed old age 1036658;1425173132;*;asciilifeform never fully understood why 1036659;1425173162;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036462 << yeah, he is. 1036660;1425173162;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 00:25:20; gabriel_laddel: from http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/03/sam-altman-is-not-blithering-idiot.html 1036661;1425173173;mircea_popescu;sam altman is the exact equivalent of britni spears. 1036662;1425173177;punkman;asciilifeform: because you were shouting "get off my lawn" at them? 1036663;1425173201;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you also sound ancient. 1036664;1425173205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: with the difference (see earlier in this thread) being that spears does not operate a multilevel mmmatron for cranking out copies of self 1036665;1425173212;gabriel_laddel;That sam altman is a fuckwit isn't in contention amongst those in here. 1036666;1425173215;mircea_popescu;yes, actually, she does. 1036667;1425173220;asciilifeform;her handlers - yes, do 1036668;1425173223;asciilifeform;spears ? 1036669;1425173231;mircea_popescu;spears, altman, both, identically, on all scores. 1036670;1425173233;mircea_popescu;minus the tits. 1036671;1425173250;gabriel_laddel;He has people run their grubby little fingers through all HN comments, and they warn people who are too "right-wing" 1036672;1425173251;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i'm not certain that he's a fuckwit; could also be scum that knows precisely what he's doing 1036673;1425173263;mircea_popescu;spears thought she "recorded records", altman thinks he "made reddit gain more users than hn has in total" 1036674;1425173267;mircea_popescu;exactly the same thing 1036675;1425173306;asciilifeform;but - a hitler, or just a lowly feldfebel ? 1036676;1425173308;gabriel_laddel;Even if he knows what he is doing, still a fuckwit. Everyone knows the story of the scorpion and the monk, right? 1036677;1425173312;mircea_popescu;a britni spears. 1036678;1425173372;mircea_popescu;"the most elitest minds of a society" 1036679;1425173377;mircea_popescu;you know this guy is retarded. 1036680;1425173393;mircea_popescu;srsly, the most elistest minds OF A SOCIETY ? 1036681;1425173400;asciilifeform;or employs a monkey to write 'his' communique 1036682;1425173415;asciilifeform;if good enough for potus,... 1036683;1425173437;*;mircea_popescu pictures asciilifeform in bed with a woman he picked up earlier in metro. she goes "oh honey, that was SO FUCKING GREAT!" he goes "or maybe i wasn't even in!" 1036684;1425173459;gabriel_laddel;lol 1036685;1425173463;asciilifeform;'that was the depth gauge, silly' 1036686;1425173523;asciilifeform;(for readers not zoologically-inclined: herr altman is paul graham's right-hand man / catamite) 1036687;1425173548;asciilifeform;presently running the pg lulzatron as crown prince 1036688;1425173557;mircea_popescu;@ BingoBoingo : http://oglaf.com/rally/ 1036689;1425173558;assbot;Rally 'round the white flag ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYGFEE ) 1036690;1425173682;mircea_popescu;remarkably on point. 1036691;1425173695;asciilifeform;http://www.psywarrior.com/PassRebuttalF.jpg 1036692;1425173697;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHjSw ) 1036693;1425173733;asciilifeform;^ spoof, afaik 1036694;1425173739;asciilifeform;http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/auction/001/015/930/606_002.jpg?v=1 << example of the real thing 1036695;1425173739;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHwVI ) 1036696;1425173785;asciilifeform;http://www.psywarrior.com/GermanSCP.html 1036697;1425173787;assbot;Standard Allied Safe Conduct Passes of WWII ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHL31 ) 1036698;1425173824;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036486 << it's called vc circus for a reason. 1036699;1425173824;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 00:34:18; gabriel_laddel: The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/ 1036700;1425173843;mircea_popescu;now where's that trrilema article i want to reference. the one pointing out this entire vc thing is old guys dating. 1036701;1425173859;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: do you have pointers to any information about Uncle Al's roach repellent other than mailing list / forum posts and the patent? 1036702;1425173874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00041283 = 20.6002 BTC [+] 1036703;1425173885;gabriel_laddel;also, any more information on the Chinese run? 1036704;1425173959;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ 1036705;1425173959;assbot;Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4c5bQ ) 1036706;1425173988;mircea_popescu;"That'd be your VC circuit : a bunch of old men who have no time to spend with their actual children. They claim this is because "they have to work", but in fact it's because a) they're afraid of their actual children and b) their actual children hate and despise them, in no particular order. This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children, so 1036707;1425173988;mircea_popescu;that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated." 1036708;1425173991;mircea_popescu;shit yeah. tyvm 1036709;1425174032;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#identifier_1_52654 win of all time. 1036710;1425174032;assbot;Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4cknk ) 1036711;1425174075;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036529 << cargo society. 1036712;1425174075;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 00:44:28; asciilifeform: but not professional equipment. go figure. 1036713;1425174089;mircea_popescu;in africa there's a market for gold encrusted trabant, not so much for an actulaly good car. 1036714;1425174134;gabriel_laddel;"This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children,so that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated." 1036715;1425174161;gabriel_laddel;this is exactly correct. PG, for example, sees me coding in a coffee shop, is there with his kid. 1036716;1425174179;gabriel_laddel;he then tries to convince the kid that they should go home and code instead of answering the kids questions 1036717;1425174185;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1036718;1425174228;mircea_popescu;the situation where i never had children yet understand more of parenting than all these people with children depending on them is about as alarming as the situation where i'd not be a woman but know more about fucking than all women. what a shitworld! 1036719;1425174340;gabriel_laddel;I might as well explicate my thoughts on the matter, perhaps I'll learn something from someone else who has thought about it. 1036720;1425174358;gabriel_laddel;If your kid is asking question - answer them. They'll arrive at coding and mathematics by themselves. 1036721;1425174384;gabriel_laddel;The reason these things are interesting is becuase they exist independently of us, they're unavoidable. 1036722;1425174394;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036553 << you know, just because hunters wear animal skins doesn't mean they're furry animals. 1036723;1425174394;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 00:51:13; asciilifeform: when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it 1036724;1425174416;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel if you got a purpose in mind, you need a tool not a child. 1036725;1425174431;mircea_popescu;you ever read the discussion wit hthe slaves re the dead rabbit ? 1036726;1425174446;gabriel_laddel;as to why you killed it and not a wolf? 1036727;1425174450;gabriel_laddel;yeah 1036728;1425174466;mircea_popescu;that one. important part there being about understanding the animal is an animal, which is a category of things to be. 1036729;1425174481;mircea_popescu;liek teh child. in this sense, children are animals. not "people" in the sense of, "just like me". 1036730;1425174484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55495 @ 0.00041036 = 22.7729 BTC [-] 1036731;1425174503;mircea_popescu;but anyway, do go on. 1036732;1425174577;gabriel_laddel;I've nothing else to say. Your grasshopper article coupled with the rabbits exposition covers it all. Don't try and make things into that which they are not. And if you have a kid, care for /them as an individual/. Your life is over. Make way for the next generation. 1036733;1425174598;gabriel_laddel;Incidentally this is what Sean Parker's father did, and Sean is one of the coolest Silly con valley people 1036734;1425174621;mircea_popescu;which the fuck is the grasshopper article 1036735;1425174629;gabriel_laddel; /s/grasshopper/dragonfly 1036736;1425174654;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ ? 1036737;1425174655;assbot;The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYLopK ) 1036738;1425174728;gabriel_laddel;nope. The one where you detailed your relationship with your father 1036739;1425174742;gabriel_laddel;"he refused to stop living" 1036740;1425174805;mircea_popescu;ah 1036741;1425174900;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036593 << certainly an apt description ofwhat we're doing here. 1036742;1425174900;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 01:05:16; gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable. 1036743;1425174940;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036601 << you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play 1036744;1425174940;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 01:07:58; asciilifeform: presently tested against designated foreign 'orcs' (what do you suppose urban battallions in iraq was a dress rehearsal for ?) 1036745;1425174976;decimation;point of interest - on youtube one can easily obtain copies of the vienna philharmonic new year's concert (neujahrskonzert). it's clear that it is broadcast all over europe, yet I have never heard of it being broadcast in the us 1036746;1425174993;gabriel_laddel;btw, I was using the word "mooc" the other day, and I think you read it as "mook". I meant "MOOC" as in "massively open online course" 1036747;1425175006;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036608 << fwiw, the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. i've been considering it since you mentioned it first, earlier. 1036748;1425175006;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 01:10:09; asciilifeform: right now (see earlier thread) 'fat' is embezzled. what of when 'meat' is ? 1036749;1425175009;decimation;apparently this is one artifact of the divorce between england and the 'continent' 1036750;1425175021;mircea_popescu;decimation it's a big deal in yurp 1036751;1425175030;mircea_popescu;civilised people tend to play it for xmas. 1036752;1425175036;decimation;right, which is why it amazes me that it's unheard of in the us 1036753;1425175038;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel no i got that. 1036754;1425175055;mircea_popescu;coursera et al. 1036755;1425175076;gabriel_laddel;kk 1036756;1425175154;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.00350855 BTC. Current weight: 83,568. 1036757;1425175538;gabriel_laddel;http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/ 1036758;1425175539;assbot;How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYPfmE ) 1036759;1425175596;decimation;asciilifeform: another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so << I'm convinced that the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks 1036760;1425175614;decimation;apple assumes that you don't need to use your computer to compute, so it isn't designed for sustained levels of cpu-pegging 1036761;1425175643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10255 @ 0.00041036 = 4.2082 BTC [-] 1036762;1425175847;decimation;asciilifeform: not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose < My prediction is 'descent into regional civil war' 1036763;1425177437;ben_vulpes;"failed to live...and impose their existence upon those children" << i'm a bit confused about the "give up, make way for the next generation" attitude when put next to the "parents should impose their existence upon their children". 1036764;1425177704;*;mod6 is caught up 1036765;1425177778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14515 @ 0.00039494 = 5.7326 BTC [-] 1036766;1425177923;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034915 << we still need to have this talk, indeed. I haven't forgotten :] 1036767;1425177923;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 21:54:23; asciilifeform: with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen 1036768;1425178847;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes tis complicated. 1036769;1425180737;cazalla;anyone know if i'm missing any from the list? http://i.imgur.com/CFu2wJZ.png just using alexa as one metric, will find others for use in comparison each month going 1036770;1425180738;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zOPv1R ) 1036771;1425180785;cazalla;oops, forget to remove tardstalk from that one (have a longer list with other non news sites) 1036772;1425181865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42546 @ 0.00040542 = 17.249 BTC [+] 1036773;1425182558;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: any more information on the Chinese run << of al's eötvös experiment ? just some private correspondence, where he confirms the same story told on usenet 1036774;1425182569;asciilifeform;(i have no reason not to believe him) 1036775;1425182600;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: ditto the roach repellent 1036776;1425182634;asciilifeform;though i have not tried it personally, nor do i know enough about roaches to say if there are nuances not accounted for 1036777;1425182713;asciilifeform;(i did work through a good chunk of the maths behind al's eötvös adventures, for own edification and to attempt to come up with a way to rescue him - to learn how that went, see old thread) 1036778;1425182939;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play << afaik usg accomplished their one non-negotiable thing in iraq - break the orcs into eternally-warring bantustans, 'vaccinate' against any possible emergence of a real sovereign 1036779;1425182973;asciilifeform;plus they churned inventory, the real immediate purpose of all usg .mil maneuvers 1036780;1425183053;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. << let's have the ps0t, yes. looking forward to reading it 1036781;1425183090;asciilifeform;decimation: the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks << it's been a thing ever since the mandatory switch to pb-free 1036782;1425183103;gabriel_laddel;(for the record, I've not run the numbers on Schwartz's experiment yet, don't know for sure yet that it is valid, but can say that yes, everything he says is falsifiable and yes, everyone who say "he is a crank" etc. is a lying scumbag for not pointing out the exact sentence where he missteps. EG: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/7757/weak-equivalence-principle-tests in which a "string theorist" knowingly 1036783;1425183104;assbot;parity - Weak equivalence principle tests - Physics Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1AI8MGd ) 1036784;1425183104;gabriel_laddel;glosses over the whole point of the experiment, which he would know if he has read it) 1036785;1425183115;asciilifeform;decimation: it is quite possibly impractical to make bga (ball grid array) ic packages without pb 1036786;1425183120;asciilifeform;but they insist on it anyway 1036787;1425183188;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: let's put it this way. the theoretical work gives very specific - numeric - predictions 1036788;1425183193;asciilifeform;that could easily be tested. 1036789;1425183213;gabriel_laddel;yep. 1036790;1425183227;gabriel_laddel;that should be clear to anyone reading it 1036791;1425183246;gabriel_laddel;I'm not going to claim to know that the math works out unless I do it myself though 1036792;1425183264;asciilifeform;'For example, Newton's apple contains vitamin C (L-ascorbic acid) which is parity-asymmetric, and it would accelerate differently if the laws of gravity cared about the mirror images.' << lying scum, yes. implying that effect cannot exist because not observable with naked eye on naturally-occurring objects 1036793;1425183295;asciilifeform;whereas all kinds of bullshit, which cannot be observed anywhere, ever, even in principle - is entirely real to a 'string theorist.' 1036794;1425183329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00040538 = 6.6888 BTC [-] 1036795;1425183405;asciilifeform;physics - as a discipline - is 99+% tumour, with scarcely any patient tissue remaining 1036796;1425183413;asciilifeform;of the ordinary sort 1036797;1425183433;gabriel_laddel;reality will do a backtracking branch cut soon enough 1036798;1425183437;gabriel_laddel;we just have to wait 1036799;1425183444;asciilifeform;all tumours eventually stop growing... 1036800;1425183518;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: btw, do you know any category theory? 1036801;1425183540;asciilifeform;only the very basics. 1036802;1425183606;gabriel_laddel;it seem to me that they're not doing the obvious, which bothers me somewhat. 1036803;1425183623;asciilifeform;the experiment ? 1036804;1425183625;asciilifeform;well, yes. 1036805;1425183636;asciilifeform;if they did it, someone, somewhere, might dig up the fella who actually invented it 1036806;1425183668;gabriel_laddel;nah, the obvious, in the case of category theory: Sucking up all the mathematics ever via some OCR routines and categorizing it via computer. Have an intern write a parser for latex -> ast 1036807;1425183671;asciilifeform;the whole affair went on in its current form far too long for the usual dance of the buggers - 'pretend it never happened' - to go as does 1036808;1425183678;*;asciilifeform head-desks 1036809;1425183731;gabriel_laddel;my basic understanding of category theory is that there are interesting things that can be derived when you break down basic mathematics into some abstractions such as functors, mappings etc. 1036810;1425183756;asciilifeform;1) ocr doesn't work because 99.99% is still ludicrously low - human reader -who fully understands the text- still required 2) no ocr exists or is reasonably likely to ever exist for anything rich in notation 3) the machine-readability of most mathematical work is a fully ai-complete problem 1036811;1425183810;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: if you're thinking of a human-cranked systematization project, straight to doug lenat's 'cyc' (i'll spoil it for you: it was stillborn) 1036812;1425183829;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: this is exactly what I was thinking of 1036813;1425183844;gabriel_laddel;well, I've not looked at cyc yet, but thanks for the pointer. 1036814;1425183852;asciilifeform;!s cyc 1036815;1425183853;assbot;6 results for 'cyc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cyc 1036816;1425183859;*;gabriel_laddel hand-cranked systematization is exactly what I had in mind 1036817;1425183892;asciilifeform;the politics of cyc etc. aside, such projects are about as interesting as the historical proposals to go to the moon in balloons, shooting men from cannons, etc. 1036818;1425183904;asciilifeform;fact is, we haven't actually built computers yet 1036819;1425183916;mircea_popescu;cazalla alexa's pretty clueless fwiw. 1036820;1425183926;asciilifeform;any more than montgolfier brothers had 'aviation' 1036821;1425183968;cazalla;mircea_popescu, yeah but at least it is clueless to each site equally on the list 1036822;1425183974;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nonsense. the middle east always was enternally-warring. this is like husband stuck with a bad divorce, "at least i made her into a slut" 1036823;1425183976;mircea_popescu;mno. 1036824;1425183994;asciilifeform;iraq had (past tense, note) army, industry, economy 1036825;1425183999;asciilifeform;now has soup 1036826;1425184047;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel string theorists are a lot like freudian psychanalists. the better ones follow the lieberman line. 1036827;1425184049;mircea_popescu;the rest... 1036828;1425184117;mircea_popescu;cazalla no, it's not. 1036829;1425184207;mircea_popescu;think of it in terms of throwing bowling balls at a tree from outer space. you won't get within a mile. and if the first ball lands 735`331meters rom the tree, the next five won't land 735`331 meters from the next five threes. 1036830;1425184223;mircea_popescu;trees* 1036831;1425184258;mircea_popescu; that could easily be tested. << not easily, no. but yes, they could be. 1036832;1425184272;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i devised a test costing approximately 50k usd. 1036833;1425184295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: al ended up having to explain to me... well, the concept i outlined in the first thread re: this subject here in #b-a 1036834;1425184298;asciilifeform;regarding provenance. 1036835;1425184305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108600 @ 0.00040512 = 43.996 BTC [-] {3} 1036836;1425184305;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1036837;1425184323;mircea_popescu;and that ftr is a valid objection. 1036838;1425184348;asciilifeform;(most of the 50k, in case anyone cares, covers two well-used microcalorimeters.) 1036839;1425184390;mircea_popescu;incidentally, in the ideal model which sits at the fundament of us academia, this would have been arranged over a phone call and tried the next week. 1036840;1425184392;mircea_popescu;for free. 1036841;1425184398;asciilifeform;it was a perfectly valid objection, which is why the experiment will not happen publicly on this side of the coming civilizational demolition. 1036842;1425184399;mircea_popescu;and ironically, it's the environment i grew up in. 1036843;1425184423;asciilifeform;i actually worked with a number of folks at the time who were ready to wangle access to the instruments for me. 1036844;1425184432;asciilifeform;but al didn't want to pursue 1036845;1425184450;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1036846;1425184465;asciilifeform;well, he would have had to blow a rather expensive single-use wad 1036847;1425184495;mircea_popescu;um ? 1036848;1425184627;mircea_popescu;re alexa : last time i measured their accuracy, it came out to about 96% error rating. ie, if alexa reads 100, it can see anything between 4 and 2500. 1036849;1425184651;asciilifeform;synthetic crystal of two chiral isomers of $censored that would have, according to the model, very small difference in energy of phase change 1036850;1425184674;asciilifeform;in a way not accounted for by any previously known effect 1036851;1425184706;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. he didn't want the experiment made in the end ? 1036852;1425184725;asciilifeform;he understood that it wasn't free 1036853;1425184758;asciilifeform;that is, that a failure for any number of reasons unrelated to the physical prediction - such as my hands growing out of my arse - would set him back (if such a thing were possible) years 1036854;1425184815;asciilifeform;anyone who wants to know what was going through his head - write to him! i don't relish playing 'broken telephone' 1036855;1425184823;asciilifeform;and the man can speak for himself, and really ought to 1036856;1425184877;*;thestringpuller refreshes contravex 1036857;1425184914;pete_dushenski;;) 1036858;1425184972;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu stoner paratrooper << fighters have a lot of relaxing to do! 1036859;1425185143;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/01/the-asylum-has-its-moments/ 1036860;1425185144;assbot;The asylum has its moments. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/17H8NP6 ) 1036861;1425185148;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun follow this logic. 1036862;1425185279;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it made sense to me. 'the lysenkoists refuse to even try' is bad enough, but 'see, somebody tried, it failed, shuddup' is quite possibly worse 1036863;1425185293;asciilifeform;so if trying, has to be the 'full nine yards' 1036864;1425185302;mircea_popescu;why does he care about implication footsie game ? 1036865;1425185304;asciilifeform;rather than some kid and ratty old instruments from us army 1036866;1425185310;mircea_popescu;no, it doesn't. if you try, you gotta try. 1036867;1425185348;asciilifeform;iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all 1036868;1425185356;mircea_popescu;check it out, the web2.0 is being useful : http://www.wikihow.com/Play-Footsie 1036869;1425185357;assbot;How to Play Footsie: 5 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbvOY2 ) 1036870;1425185367;mircea_popescu;i hope you're changing the world, schmuckos! 1036871;1425185444;gabriel_laddel;iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all << this makes a great deal of sense 1036872;1425185469;mircea_popescu;this can't be a rationale not to try. 1036873;1425185485;asciilifeform;basically he insisted that a negative result must come from one of the two eotvos torsion balances 1036874;1425185487;gabriel_laddel;he isn't giving up, as far as I know, but biding his time 1036875;1425185506;asciilifeform;as i gather, he's engaged in a contest of who-dies-first with adelberger 1036876;1425185512;mircea_popescu;"biding his time" ? 1036877;1425185516;asciilifeform;see above 1036878;1425185519;mircea_popescu;suppose i go make the measurement myself ? 1036879;1425185525;mircea_popescu;not like it's tied to his forehead. 1036880;1425185533;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i confess, i almost decided to 1036881;1425185536;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: how would i learn to play footsie if not via a wikihow article? 1036882;1425185540;asciilifeform;might do it still 1036883;1425185544;asciilifeform;if ever get out of here alive 1036884;1425185546;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: the opposition lie through their teeth at every given moment, you don't want to give them anything to work with 1036885;1425185550;mircea_popescu;this is science not politics, what's biding your time do. 1036886;1425185559;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel this is not how it works. 1036887;1425185582;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: did you read the stackoverflow post linked above? 1036888;1425185586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00039163 = 2.9764 BTC [-] 1036889;1425185590;mircea_popescu;i confess i did not. why would it matter ? 1036890;1425185595;mircea_popescu;science has no opposition. 1036891;1425185628;gabriel_laddel;lemme finish making this burrito and I'll write up something on the game being played 1036892;1425185667;mircea_popescu;my empanadas are made already. 1036893;1425185750;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller makes you wonder how children were made before they invented shoes. 1036894;1425185818;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: I thought you know storks and stuff... 1036895;1425185835;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/chiral.jpg << pet critter holding my [6.6]chiralane. 1036896;1425185837;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17H9F6w ) 1036897;1425185839;asciilifeform;from those das 1036898;1425185842;asciilifeform;*days 1036899;1425185890;asciilifeform;(whazzat? http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.paper.SCS.2008-4nS.petitjean.pdf << original paper, schwartz & petitjean - they co-invented it) 1036900;1425185891;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17H9HeH ) 1036901;1425185914;asciilifeform;phun phact, it broke the definition of 'chirality' taught in schoolbooks 1036902;1425185936;asciilifeform;had 'handedness' but no 'chiral centers' - that is, carbon atoms that are topologically 'key' 1036903;1425185955;asciilifeform;that is, each carbon has -exactly the same thing- on all four bonds 1036904;1425185955;mircea_popescu;what's in the middle, sulphur ? 1036905;1425185965;asciilifeform;all c 1036906;1425185978;asciilifeform;well, outer h'es not shown 1036907;1425185984;asciilifeform;(as they typically aren't on a model) 1036908;1425185999;mircea_popescu;but the big ball in teh centre 1036909;1425186014;asciilifeform;fat carbon for clarity 1036910;1425186016;asciilifeform;l0l 1036911;1425186024;asciilifeform;yeah everybody asks about fat carbon 1036912;1425186029;asciilifeform;everyone i ever showed it to 1036913;1425186066;mircea_popescu;a lol k 1036914;1425186179;asciilifeform;actually my explanation is off, the center is topologically unique. but the thing meets none of the ochem textbook graph-theoretical definitions for chirality 1036915;1425186191;asciilifeform;but is optically non-superimposable on its mirror image 1036916;1425186226;asciilifeform;and, incidentally, there are other chiralanes possible (you can generate them as computer model, that is. there is, afaik, no known synthesis for any of them) 1036917;1425186272;asciilifeform;anyone who still gives a damn - read the paper. 1036918;1425186309;asciilifeform;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/chiral2.gif http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/schwart3.png << for those who can do 'crosseye' 1036919;1425186310;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cbytkp ) 1036920;1425186311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cbytku ) 1036921;1425186351;asciilifeform;and o hey 1036922;1425186351;asciilifeform;http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/9771 1036923;1425186352;assbot;organic chemistry - what is the simple enantiomer in the powder form that one can get? - Chemistry Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbyBAs ) 1036924;1425186358;asciilifeform;al's still kicking. 1036925;1425186379;gabriel_laddel;What Al would like to test is pretty simple. Is gravity mirror-symmetric? If it is, then you can drop two stereoisomers in a vacuum, and they'll fall at the same rate. We don't know that this is the case, and the universe actually violates mirror-symmetry on many scales. Perhaps a violation will be observable. 1036926;1425186382;gabriel_laddel;But you have to test it. 1036927;1425186394;ben_vulpes;(people can't do "crosseye"?) 1036928;1425186437;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: the interesting thing, and important to explain mircea_popescu's puzzlement, is that the enemy has been studiously arranging experiments to avoid actually testing the effect in question and declaring it 'settled' 1036929;1425186446;asciilifeform;or rather, the question of nonexistence as 'settled' 1036930;1425186448;mircea_popescu;eh get out already. 1036931;1425186453;asciilifeform;seriously 1036932;1425186453;mircea_popescu;"the enemy" coudl as well be in korea. 1036933;1425186472;gabriel_laddel;The Eot-wash group won't test this. And the string theorist in that stackoverflow question is more than happy to state that because a large construction of molecules falls at the speed we expect it to, it couldn't possibly happen on a small scale. 1036934;1425186475;asciilifeform;they proclaimed 'settled' after 'carefully testing' left- and right-handed machine screws in a torsion balance 1036935;1425186479;gabriel_laddel;which is obviously horse shit 1036936;1425186480;asciilifeform;and failing to find difference 1036937;1425186497;asciilifeform;lysenko lives 1036938;1425186507;gabriel_laddel;left and right handed machine screws != chirality !11! 1036939;1425186514;gabriel_laddel;but the grant funding people don't know this 1036940;1425186547;mircea_popescu;but this is not germane to the issue. 1036941;1425186564;mircea_popescu;we're not discussing why some other blokes aren't testing it, we're discussing why the proponent isn't. 1036942;1425186566;asciilifeform;the actual matter here is 'what's one physical effect vs hundred thousand respectable careers of respectable people (tm)' 1036943;1425186577;mircea_popescu;and the proponent can't be doing or not doing "because of other people" (tm) 1036944;1425186633;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he thought (as of our last at-length exchange, ~3 yrs or so) that he still had a chance to make the torsion balance owners see the light 1036945;1425186648;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: but this is not germane to the issue. << Oh, but it is. These people are prepared to lie at every turn. See the stack overflow post, or the output of the Eot-wash group. If Al or Stan were make a mistake in the run, they'd never be able to test it again. 1036946;1425186677;gabriel_laddel;check this out http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/ 1036947;1425186678;assbot;HOME | The Eöt-Wash Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbzEAt ) 1036948;1425186679;asciilifeform;incidentally, he mentioned that other folks also offered to arrange, and he held off for same reason 1036949;1425186685;gabriel_laddel;"1) Search for experimental signs of quantum gravity that violate Einstein's Equivalence Principle and/or the Newtonian inverse-square law." 1036950;1425186689;gabriel_laddel;fuckwads 1036951;1425186707;asciilifeform;aha see they are only interested in finding effect predicted by the usg-sponsored paper machine 1036952;1425186717;asciilifeform;if it doesn't exist, they'd rather not turn up anything 1036953;1425186731;asciilifeform;and certainly not a 'crackpot'-predicted boojum 1036954;1425186742;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel exactly why not lol ? 1036955;1425186746;asciilifeform;the legitimacy of the whole shebang is at stake 1036956;1425186755;gabriel_laddel;As far as I can tell, it comes down to the basic strategic necessity of killing your enemy when you indend to. 1036957;1425186763;mircea_popescu;... 1036958;1425186773;gabriel_laddel;If you're not strong enough now, retreat, lick your wounds and then strike when the time is right. 1036959;1425186777;mircea_popescu;i never heard of this bizarro shamanistic approach to research. 1036960;1425186786;mircea_popescu;the shit's hard enough without waiting for complex voodoo to allign. 1036961;1425186791;gabriel_laddel;!s cognitive dissonance 1036962;1425186792;assbot;13 results for 'cognitive dissonance' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cognitive+dissonance 1036963;1425186805;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-11-2014#937006 1036964;1425186805;assbot;Logged on 27-11-2014 15:36:04; mircea_popescu: no wonder everyone in the us needs a college degree. there's no way native intelligence could deal with a tenth of the cognitive dissonance dished out on a daily basis. 1036965;1425186815;mircea_popescu;just measure the damned thing. if it doesn't come out, either refine the machinery or give up. 1036966;1425186816;gabriel_laddel;the US is fucking nuts right now. you live in a bubble of sanity 1036967;1425186822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's gedankenexperiment. say we build the thing and it runs as predicted (see the last chemistry.stackexchange link for what we'd be doing, roughly) 1036968;1425186822;mircea_popescu;if it does come out, put it on your blog and move on. 1036969;1425186826;asciilifeform;then what 1036970;1425186828;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares what anyone else does ? 1036971;1425186842;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's it. 1036972;1425186864;asciilifeform;al doesn't, as i understand, agree. he wants it to keep walking from there 1036973;1425186871;asciilifeform;which takes a few $b in imperial money 1036974;1425186877;mircea_popescu;you will notice that the scam foundation is being fucking buried. in spite of... welll... consensus. 1036975;1425186883;mircea_popescu;this shit only works if you buy into it. 1036976;1425186941;mircea_popescu;all this nonsense of little girl stuck on the trans side of maturity river, discussing whether she wants to cross or not, what if the cis side won't be all that it's cracked up to be etc. wtf. 1036977;1425186944;mircea_popescu;maturity is not optional. 1036978;1425186949;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: walk where? wants grant money for himself as a result of the discovery? 1036979;1425186964;asciilifeform;have the thing pursued 1036980;1425186980;mircea_popescu;well it's certainly closer to being pursued after being measured than before eh. 1036981;1425186983;asciilifeform;see if effect can be had somewhere -left- of the eigth decimal 1036982;1425186987;asciilifeform;for actual practical uses 1036983;1425186991;asciilifeform;(we discussed some) 1036984;1425187030;mircea_popescu;imagine! "i won't accidentally discover clorophorm unless it can be used as an anesthetic!" 1036985;1425187069;mircea_popescu;this meta cancer upon the modern brain. people spend so much time considering "the implications" of shit that never happened they have no energy left to do stuff. 1036986;1425187071;asciilifeform;what if chlorophorm cost what the 'difference engine' cost. 1036987;1425187090;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's time to do a kickstarter. 1036988;1425187096;asciilifeform;l0l 1036989;1425187277;*;mircea_popescu links http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ here, and then proceeds to quote from http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ 1036990;1425187278;assbot;Causes and purposes pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbBiC4 ) 1036991;1425187279;assbot;How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbBkdf ) 1036992;1425187281;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some reason i thought you had a handle on the 'provenance' thing - that is, that al doesn't win unless his opponents actually lose by their own rules and surrender by their own free hand 1036993;1425187294;mircea_popescu;"This flat, unyielding ignorance-as-the-forerunner-of-oblivion is both perfectly safev and exactly the adequate pill for the poison in dicussion, because it expends very little productive effort on the part of the productive members of society, while at the same time forcing upon the unproductive the exact Gordian knot they've been trying to talk their way around (and plenty, no doubt, hoped they had succeeded). That k 1036994;1425187294;mircea_popescu;not is of course practice, which is to say : if I were to declare I am ignoring "all that Einstein jazz", all physics penned after 1900 or so, and then built a cathodic tube television that worked just fine without accounting for quantum effects, the trashing and bashing of Einstein fans would be all in vain : I'll just shrug my shoulders, keep building and selling my television sets and care not on whit of whatever th 1036995;1425187295;mircea_popescu;ey may write." 1036996;1425187313;asciilifeform;that is, if one day we simply exterminate them, he still hasn't really won, just sat down in lysenko's throne 1036997;1425187315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing keeps him from forking chemistry tho. 1036998;1425187330;gabriel_laddel;!s lab nigger 1036999;1425187330;assbot;2 results for 'lab nigger' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lab+nigger 1037000;1425187347;asciilifeform;al actually spent years battling idiots who 'forked physics' and 'forked chemistry' on usenet, in much the same style as mpoe-pr battled btc sc4mz0rz 1037001;1425187361;asciilifeform;it isn't really a concept he finds digestible 1037002;1425187364;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is a fundamental difference between lysenko (nutter whose shit DIDNT WORK) and this (if it works) 1037003;1425187373;gabriel_laddel;Not as easy as it sounds. Life is finite, as exemplified by MP not reading Al's experiment spec, and Al not being MP 1037004;1425187382;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform look, irrespective of all that : he can just do the thing. 1037005;1425187390;asciilifeform;except if the difference only becomes palpable a few $b and decades later, it does't really exist to the naked eye 1037006;1425187399;mircea_popescu;so / 1037007;1425187408;mircea_popescu;it is still a material step that way. 1037008;1425187414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the conclusive test requires the torsion rotor 1037009;1425187460;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: would you mind explaining the exact logistics of the equipment you'd need to put together to run the experiment? 1037010;1425187474;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: there were two proposed experiments. 1037011;1425187484;gabriel_laddel;so as to demonstrate exactly why it isn't as easy as "just measure the thing" 1037012;1425187488;asciilifeform;the one i very nearly ended up participating in, is described (roughly) in earlier link 1037013;1425187504;asciilifeform;http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/9771 1037014;1425187505;assbot;organic chemistry - what is the simple enantiomer in the powder form that one can get? - Chemistry Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/17Hc1SN ) 1037015;1425187525;asciilifeform;or actually 1037016;1425187532;asciilifeform;only the feedstock is described therein 1037017;1425187573;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm#a5 1037018;1425187574;assbot; PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY ... ( http://bit.ly/17Hc4OA ) 1037019;1425187609;asciilifeform;see vi. parity calorimetry experiment 1037020;1425187635;asciilifeform;section 'VIII. Parity Molecular Rotors' was my demented suggestion 1037021;1425187670;asciilifeform;(suitably poured into the mold of the physically practical by al's expert hands) 1037022;1425187702;asciilifeform;notice specific predicted divergence in microwave spectrogram. 1037023;1425187722;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel the problem isn't exactly of the equipment. the problem is that if you make new equipment, you don't know if you're measuring the new equipment vs the old equipment or an actual effect. 1037024;1425187769;asciilifeform;remember http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846621 ? 1037025;1425187769;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...' 1037026;1425187781;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I don't know the cost associated with calibrating these instruments and can't speak to the truth of that 1037027;1425187790;asciilifeform;essentially, according to 'neutral' folks in physics, al simply doesn't -get to- make the instrument 1037028;1425187796;mircea_popescu;well you asked as to the logisticsa. 1037029;1425187798;asciilifeform;it doesn't count if it's his 1037030;1425187803;asciilifeform;or, at this point, mine 1037031;1425187805;asciilifeform;or mircea_popescu's 1037032;1425187819;asciilifeform;in order for it to 'count' - yes, we have to 'fork physics' 1037033;1425187827;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: well, I was asking Stan specifically becuase he could supply detailed information as to costs and political constraints 1037034;1425187843;gabriel_laddel;which you have hand-waved away 1037035;1425187847;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i can only speak re: the costs of the component which i was to wangle time on 1037036;1425187878;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: well, as the resident expert, would you mind expounding on these costs? 1037037;1425187882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here's a thought : if al spent the past five years measuring things rather than skulking, he'd be in a much better position todasy than five years ago. 1037038;1425187883;gabriel_laddel;just so we have a sense? 1037039;1425187884;mircea_popescu;ya kno ? 1037040;1425187887;asciilifeform;incidentally, iirc i also suggested use of microbolometer (aka infrared camera chip die) as a cheapo version of microcalorimeter 1037041;1425187901;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he operates under constraints quite similar to mine 1037042;1425187908;asciilifeform;that is, works in jungle conditions 1037043;1425187921;mircea_popescu;yeah, wellllll.... 1037044;1425187923;asciilifeform;i even marvel that he managed to grow the benzil crystal without going to jail 1037045;1425187962;mircea_popescu;why would he go to jail ? 1037046;1425187977;mircea_popescu;i grew permanganate crystals, at least that's a meth precurso. 1037047;1425187979;asciilifeform;unlicensed possession of glassware, caustics, 'drug precursors', ... 1037048;1425187991;gabriel_laddel;intent to manufacture... 1037049;1425188002;decimation;asciilifeform: it seems the polarization version of the experiment would be much easier to set up 1037050;1425188012;mircea_popescu;!up kyuupichan 1037051;1425188022;mircea_popescu;eh get out. 1037052;1425188027;kyuupichan;Hello, bitbet is stuck on the blockchain. 1037053;1425188032;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ? 1037054;1425188043;asciilifeform;! 1037055;1425188052;kyuupichan;Once it catches up please review submitted bets. 1037056;1425188078;kyuupichan;thx 1037057;1425188082;mircea_popescu;if thjey got rejected you'll prolly have to resubmit. 1037058;1425188120;kyuupichan;Got rejected as no zeroconf but they were, so either reconsider or refund, but at the moment as you think zero was sent you won't be refunding anything right? 1037059;1425188157;mircea_popescu;it'll refund once it catches up im sure. 1037060;1425188251;kyuupichan;Perhaps site needs an alarm where e.g. it's compared vs blockchain.info or blockr.io? 1037061;1425188283;mircea_popescu;this might be an idea. 1037062;1425188547;asciilifeform;'A money-losing economy, like a money-losing restaurant, sucks. It sucks in all kinds of ways that have no apparent connection to finance. The entire dining experience is grim. This, indeed, is the experience of the entire "old economy" outside the little bubbles of Silicon Valley and Wall Street. My in-laws live in Columbus. Columbus sucks. Even with Chairman Ben's 85-billion-a-month bond-buying "recovery." It is more 1037063;1425188547;asciilifeform;and more palpably a Soviet restaurant.' 1037064;1425188554;asciilifeform;^ from mr mold's old post, dropped here for the record 1037065;1425188590;gabriel_laddel;why? 1037066;1425188598;asciilifeform;his problem, like al's, is quite arguably: that he hasn't fully accepted death yet. 1037067;1425188625;asciilifeform;and so tries to carve some corner for himself in the shadow of the seemingly-invincible thousand-year reich 1037068;1425188629;gabriel_laddel;Ah. I'd like to point out that Al, unlike Mr. M has done useful work in the interim. 1037069;1425188642;asciilifeform;what al does in his cellar, only the devil knows 1037070;1425188665;gabriel_laddel;From what I could tell, from reading his usenet posts, he continues to work at Occidental research corp. 1037071;1425188683;asciilifeform;i'll point out that publishing -everything- one does is generally a habit of mediocrities desperate for attention 1037072;1425188685;mircea_popescu;the soviet restaurant thing is quite palpable here in argentina. 1037073;1425188692;mircea_popescu;the places where usians go ? shit service, shit food. 1037074;1425188701;mircea_popescu;the rest of the city ? great service, great food. 1037075;1425188708;*;asciilifeform doesn't publicize so much as a fraction of a percent of what he spends time on 1037076;1425188712;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if they deliberately constructed a home away from home, these people. 1037077;1425188717;asciilifeform;(same probably for everyone here) 1037078;1425188727;mircea_popescu;i can't tell you how many times i've stormed out of a shithole, inexplicable in context. 1037079;1425188732;mircea_popescu;mthreat saw a few instances. 1037080;1425188777;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the observation that usa tends to 'follow' the expats wherever they happen to congregate en masse, is an old one 1037081;1425188787;mircea_popescu;there's even a chain of HORRIBLE icecream. in this town, that has the best icecream i have ever tasted, by a long shot, and abundantly supplied by numerous artisanal gelaterias 1037082;1425188788;asciilifeform;fred 'fred on everything' reed mentioned it in his books 1037083;1425188795;mircea_popescu;the usians have a fucktarded chain selling the worst goop. 1037084;1425188841;asciilifeform;my brain melted the first time i learned that many folks in usa can't really make themselves eat actual food 1037085;1425188853;asciilifeform;and only feel the least bit comfortable eating the recycled kind 1037086;1425188919;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, now tell me this : how does teh ussa follow teh expat masse ? shadow fuhrer directs it ? 1037087;1425188927;decimation;I had a similar experience when I went to italy on holiday 1037088;1425188933;mircea_popescu;or is it just, like the gestapo, simply the only shared figment of their infertile imaginations ? 1037089;1425188940;asciilifeform;there's a great ru line from, i think, 'dog's heart' 1037090;1425188966;asciilifeform;something like 'decay isn't this old witch who walks around, it's you and i having bad aim and missing the pisser' 1037091;1425188978;decimation;in the major italian tourist cities, the 'inner ring' around the tourist sites are full of restraunts that are obvious chumpatrons targeting usians and germans 1037092;1425188993;mircea_popescu;there's fruit, and it's grandiose. then there's "fruit", imported by supermarkets for the usian market. you can get quite startling contrasts by buying in both. 1037093;1425189030;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Что такое Ñта ваша разруха? Старуха Ñ ÐºÐ»ÑŽÐºÐ¾Ð¹? Ведьма, ÐºÐ¾Ñ‚Ð¾Ñ€Ð°Ñ Ð²Ñ‹Ð±Ð¸Ð»Ð° вÑе Ñтекла, потушила вÑе лампы? Да ее вовÑе и не ÑущеÑтвует. Что вы подразумеваете под Ñтим Ñловом? […] Это вот что: еÑли Ñ, вмеÑто того, чтобы оперировать каждый 1037094;1425189030;asciilifeform; вечер, начну у ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð² квартире петь хором, у Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ Ð½Ð°Ñтанет разруха. ЕÑли Ñ, Ð²Ñ…Ð¾Ð´Ñ Ð² уборную, начну, извините за выражение, мочитьÑÑ Ð¼Ð¸Ð¼Ð¾ унитаза и то же Ñамое будут делать Зина и Ð”Ð°Ñ€ÑŒÑ ÐŸÐµÑ‚Ñ€Ð¾Ð²Ð½Ð°, в уборной начнетÑÑ Ñ€Ð°Ð·Ñ€ÑƒÑ…Ð°. Следовательно, Ñ€ 1037095;1425189031;asciilifeform;азруха не в клозетах, а в головах. Значит, когда Ñти баритоны кричат «бей разруху!» — Я ÑмеюÑÑŒ. […] КлÑнуÑÑŒ вам, мне Ñмешно! Это означает, что каждый из них должен лупить ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ затылку! И вот, когда он вылупит из ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð²ÑÑкие галлюцинации и 1037096;1425189036;asciilifeform; займетÑÑ Ñ‡Ð¸Ñткой Ñараев — прÑмым Ñвоим делом, — разруха иÑчезнет Ñама Ñобой. Двум богам Ñлужить нельзÑ! Ðевозможно в одно Ð²Ñ€ÐµÐ¼Ñ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´Ð¼ÐµÑ‚Ð°Ñ‚ÑŒ трамвайные пути и уÑтраивать Ñудьбы каких-то иÑпанÑких оборванцев! Это никому не удаетÑÑ, докто 1037097;1425189040;mircea_popescu;o.O 1037098;1425189041;asciilifeform;Ñ€, и тем более — людÑм, которые, вообще отÑтав в развитии от европейцев лет на 200, до Ñих пор еще не ÑовÑем уверенно заÑтегивают Ñвои ÑобÑтвенные штаны!' 1037099;1425189049;mircea_popescu;you'll get docked for spam! 1037100;1425189055;decimation;mircea_popescu: I assume you saw this article http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/21/a-feast-of-engineering-whats-really-in-your-food 1037101;1425189057;assbot;Inside the food industry: the surprising truth about what you eat | Life and style | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/17HedcY ) 1037102;1425189062;asciilifeform;i suppose i gotta translate it now 1037103;1425189063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50099 @ 0.00039606 = 19.8422 BTC [+] {3} 1037104;1425189076;decimation;"The strapline for a product called Butter Buds®, described by its makers as “an enzyme-modified encapsulated butter flavour that has as much as 400 times the flavour intensity of butterâ€, sums it up in six words: “When technology meets nature, you save.â€" 1037105;1425189079;asciilifeform;problem is, 'разруха' doesn't translate. 1037106;1425189084;mircea_popescu;decimation i think it was here. i didn't care to check it out. 1037107;1425189095;decimation;it's as depressing as you would think 1037108;1425189108;asciilifeform;approx. 'ruin' but also shades of 'decay', 'decline', general civilizational degringolade 1037109;1425189170;decimation;"Over the past few years, the food industry has embarked on an operation it dubs “clean labelâ€, with the goal of removing the most glaring industrial ingredients and additives, replacing them with substitutes that sound altogether more benign." "If you noticed that it contained an amino acid such as L-cysteine E910, your enthusiasm might wane, especially if you happen to know that this additive can be derived from animal and human 1037110;1425189171;decimation;hair. But a range of new-wave yeast extracts is increasingly replacing E910. " 1037111;1425189172;mircea_popescu;decimation there's a reason i don't live in "civilised" shitholes. i can taste their "feasts of engineering". 1037112;1425189213;mircea_popescu;anyway, everything in that world devolves to spam, it's one and only true mother. 1037113;1425189215;decimation;new! "contains" "natural" "ingredients"!! it's profitable for us and "ok" for you 1037114;1425189222;mircea_popescu;"labels limit the shitification of food ? SPAM THEM!" 1037115;1425189231;mircea_popescu;money prevents us from being stupid ? SPAM IT! 1037116;1425189242;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only thing the west ever does is, "try and spam it!" 1037117;1425189267;mircea_popescu;somehow the world should be impressed with this "progress", much in the manner parents should be impressed with "look, no hands!" 1037118;1425189287;decimation;it smacks of 'all voice, no exit' 1037119;1425189309;mircea_popescu;not to mention the "all metaconsiderations, no agency" 1037120;1425189320;mircea_popescu;prolly the same exact fundamental. 1037121;1425189343;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tLsXBtS9 << passable 'pro' translation 1037122;1425189344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17HeAUV ) 1037123;1425189345;asciilifeform;not mine 1037124;1425189360;decimation;yeah in fact the reason the us succeeded as it were for the first hundred years was because there was much empty virgin territory, so people could 'express agency' 1037125;1425189367;mircea_popescu;the story of individual america is basically one line : "there's no difference between the rich man and the poor man who hasn't yet decided what to buy". 1037126;1425189390;mircea_popescu;as if. but somehow, a billion idiots picked this bit of shoeshiner's philosophy as their foundational line. 1037127;1425189527;mircea_popescu;lettuce all sit forever and ponder the implications of asking the girl out, of measuring the fucking crystals, of spitting on the ant. 1037128;1425189545;mircea_popescu;draw up the entire putative history eight nine steps removed in all directions, till the night comes and we go home. 1037129;1425189614;*;asciilifeform still thinks the crystal thing made perfect sense in light of protagonist not being ready to 'fork physics' 1037130;1425189665;mircea_popescu;better men later on. 1037131;1425189687;mircea_popescu;but it's inescapable. everything's getting forked. gpg, linux, the world. 1037132;1425189757;asciilifeform;we, in spite of the sweat required, are the lucky fellas. 1037133;1425189772;asciilifeform;because don't need, at least for most of that list, $maxint 1037134;1425189803;asciilifeform;but what if your work is meaningless without $b synchrophasotron ? 1037135;1425189817;asciilifeform;build out of scrap iron in cellar ? 1037136;1425189878;asciilifeform;it is also not entirely clear to me where the 'better men' are to get the $b 1037137;1425189895;asciilifeform;and why they might like to throw it into a strongly -ev pit 1037138;1425189931;asciilifeform;fact is, 'basic science' is -ev when viewed through the lens of a typical human lifespan 1037139;1425189950;gabriel_laddel;"measuring the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange" 1037140;1425189978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151550 @ 0.00041401 = 62.7432 BTC [+] {2} 1037141;1425190118;decimation;asciilifeform: "-ev" < it's admittedly the case that 'basic science' seems to be advanced mostly through 'dumb luck' 1037142;1425190153;decimation;in the sense that some crank comes up with an idea that happens to be right, rather than the result of some carefully arranged program of research 1037143;1425190208;gabriel_laddel;nein nein nein nein! 1037144;1425190215;asciilifeform;any who are inclined, as mircea_popescu seems to be, to think that 'any idea can be tested and developed in your cellar' should study the history of semiconductor 1037145;1425190216;gabriel_laddel;;; google John Von Numann 1037146;1425190217;gribble;John von Neumann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; John von Neumann | Institute for Advanced Study: ; History of Computing Science: John von Neumann: 1037147;1425190230;asciilifeform;which was known for a rather long time prior to becoming an industrial product 1037148;1425190240;gabriel_laddel;;; google manhattan project 1037149;1425190241;gribble;Manhattan Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Manhattan Project [ushistory.org]: ; Manhattan Project | United States history | Encyclopedia Britannica: 1037150;1425190243;gabriel_laddel;;; google symbolics inc 1037151;1425190244;gribble;Symbolics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Symbolics.com : The first and oldest registered domain name on the ...: ; Symbolics, Inc.: 1037152;1425190263;gabriel_laddel;;; google Leonardo Da Vinci 1037153;1425190264;gribble;Leonardo da Vinci - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Leonardo da Vinci - Biography - Writer, Mathematician, Inventor ...: ; Leonardo Da Vinci - The complete works: 1037154;1425190281;gabriel_laddel;It took 3 generations of masters to produce Leonardo 1037155;1425190302;gabriel_laddel;and countless derps before that 1037156;1425190308;decimation;gabriel_laddel: who was the 'herri seldon' who foresaw the development of leonardo? 1037157;1425190329;decimation;er, 'hari seldon' 1037158;1425190375;gabriel_laddel;decimation: afaik, no one predicted leonardo, but there were three generations of masters preceding him. He learned from their works 1037159;1425190389;gabriel_laddel;my point is that science does not advance "at random" 1037160;1425190396;gabriel_laddel;nor because of "cranks" 1037161;1425190454;decimation;but the earlier masters couldn't have predicted the results of their erudition 1037162;1425190460;gabriel_laddel;of course not 1037163;1425190466;gabriel_laddel;but that doesn't make it random 1037164;1425190485;gabriel_laddel;can you predict exactly what a WoT enabled world will look like? 1037165;1425190511;gabriel_laddel;we know sorta-kinda how it is going to function, but I expect to be pleasantly surprised 1037166;1425190512;decimation;I'm not using the word 'random' to mean 'acausal' 1037167;1425190523;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548254 << obligatory thread re: cranks 1037168;1425190523;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 23:06:12; asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another) 1037169;1425190553;asciilifeform;'crank' in this context is really anyone who 'forks science' and ends up an army-of-one 1037170;1425190568;asciilifeform;happily chugging along on his lonesome blockchain 1037171;1425190576;asciilifeform;(or not so happily, as the case may be) 1037172;1425190579;decimation;sometimes this happens in unconnected pairs 1037173;1425191112;*;ben_vulpes checks to see if a > 1mb block is floating around 1037174;1425191186;gabriel_laddel;and sometimes it happens through e.g., MIT, Stanford, library of Alexandria, Manhattan Project 1037175;1425191195;gabriel_laddel;"it's admittedly the case that 'basic science' seems to be advanced mostly through 'dumb luck'" 1037176;1425191208;gabriel_laddel;^ I don't see that this is true. 1037177;1425191213;decimation;what 'basic science' did the manhattan project advance? 1037178;1425191242;gabriel_laddel;the effective use of computing machines iirc 1037179;1425191271;gabriel_laddel;(is this 'basic science'? What is basic science?) 1037180;1425191322;gabriel_laddel;(conceptually basic, atoms and the like, or basic in the sense of a starting point that is eventually abandoned, e.g., alchemy) 1037181;1425191330;gabriel_laddel;is that science? 1037182;1425191362;asciilifeform;basic in the sense of maximally distant from applications. 1037183;1425191372;asciilifeform;e.g., boolean algebra in the lifetime of g. boole. 1037184;1425191398;asciilifeform;in the same sense as the base of a tower is the point maximally far from its tip. 1037185;1425191413;asciilifeform;and on which the rest of the tower - stands. 1037186;1425191424;gabriel_laddel;http://rin.io/ 1037187;1425191425;assbot;math is art | "Discovery is the privilege of the child: the child who has no fear of being once again wrong, of looking like an idiot, of not being serious, of not doing things like everyone else." — Grothendieck ... ( http://bit.ly/1DF4iA9 ) 1037188;1425191430;gabriel_laddel;^ here is a blog I've not gotten around to reading yet 1037189;1425191443;gabriel_laddel;this girl was given 100k by Pete Thiel to think. 1037190;1425191459;gabriel_laddel;she is doing category theory and physics research. 1037191;1425191486;gabriel_laddel;Does this qualify? will she produce anything of interest? I don't yet know. 1037192;1425191514;gabriel_laddel;Christopher Olah, Thiel fellow. Does research on conv. neural networks. 1037193;1425191517;gabriel_laddel;is this basic science? 1037194;1425191518;asciilifeform;he also funded mr mold's crap. 1037195;1425191543;gabriel_laddel;and? 1037196;1425191546;asciilifeform;'you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had', thiel could reply, quoting mr bush 1037197;1425191581;decimation;it seems to me that basic science is something that is only obvious in distant hindsight 1037198;1425191596;gabriel_laddel;my point is that this is an organized effort 1037199;1425191610;gabriel_laddel;and organized effords have existed in the past 1037200;1425191622;gabriel_laddel;they will exist in the future, assuming we don't end up glassing the whole planet 1037201;1425191650;gabriel_laddel;'you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had', thiel could reply, quoting mr bush << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-02-2015#1035968 1037202;1425191650;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 04:19:51; mircea_popescu: if you ask the slut, often enough it's because "he's the only one that asked, and i was getting bored" 1037203;1425191654;asciilifeform;in that sense, the ubiquitous state lottery is also 'organized effort' 1037204;1425191681;asciilifeform;thus far i know of no particular reason why thiel picked the folks he did 1037205;1425191701;gabriel_laddel;(he is attempting to fund basic science) 1037206;1425191705;asciilifeform;except for a vague 'flavour' of 'up&coming young' 1037207;1425191722;asciilifeform;and he is, in that sense, continuing the tradition of the equally boring 'mcarthur prize' 1037208;1425191767;gabriel_laddel;I'm not saying that I beneficiary agree with Thiel's funding decisions, but I am pointing out that there are people attempting to fund basic science, and that there are two specific people I've cited who can be vetted for their contributions. 1037209;1425191772;asciilifeform;(can you name, off the top of your head, a single person who was given the prize - which is intended to set promising young thinkers free from workslavery) who amounted to anything ? 1037210;1425191790;gabriel_laddel; Christopher Olah 1037211;1425191795;asciilifeform;no idea who that was 1037212;1425191803;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: but what if your work is meaningless without $b synchrophasotron ? <<< i thought it was 50k. 1037213;1425191820;asciilifeform;50k for the might-work calorimetric variant 1037214;1425191832;decimation;so did the swiss patent office 'organize' to advance physics by paying einstein in exchange for clerk-serfdom? 1037215;1425191838;gabriel_laddel;http://colah.github.io/archive.html 1037216;1425191839;assbot;Archives - colah's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNXZNa ) 1037217;1425191842;asciilifeform;decimation: no because serfdom 1037218;1425191850;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand, i'm not proposing anyone's obliged to follow any particular flight of fancy. 1037219;1425191867;mircea_popescu;but the proposition that one shouldn't or understandably wouldn't for it may turn out to be just fancy... that's nonsense. 1037220;1425191877;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: and to what does that thing amount ? 1037221;1425191884;mircea_popescu;this is the very stuff of life, following our flights of fancy. 1037222;1425191887;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: what would we lose if it never happened 1037223;1425191911;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i did try to convince the fella. 1037224;1425191924;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: well, in Chris's case, some research on neural networks 1037225;1425191934;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i recall. 1037226;1425191936;gabriel_laddel;In Rin's case, idk yet 1037227;1425191988;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i confess that thiel's experiment would be considerably more interesting if it were 100m not 100k 1037228;1425191989;mircea_popescu;incidentally... olah is kinda how hungarians say romanian. 1037229;1425191994;mircea_popescu;corruption of valah 1037230;1425192021;asciilifeform;100k buys half a garage where i live 1037231;1425192027;gabriel_laddel;A summary of my points. 1) there are some people attempting to fund basic science 2) I don't agree with all of their funding decisions 3) this isn't the first instance of this occuring in history 1037232;1425192030;asciilifeform;and two garages in alaska 1037233;1425192055;asciilifeform;but then he'd actually need a proper heuristic for choosing his 'soldiers' 1037234;1425192056;mircea_popescu;but thiel wants web2.0 not a new nuke. 1037235;1425192060;asciilifeform;and he hasn't a prayer, and knows it 1037236;1425192068;gabriel_laddel;4) perhaps the fault lies with those attempting to peruse basic science, for not giving him a heuristic 1037237;1425192073;mircea_popescu;specifically for that reason, yes. 1037238;1425192091;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: find someone whose heuristic isn't 'give it to -me-' 1037239;1425192095;asciilifeform;and then talk to thiel 1037240;1425192120;mircea_popescu;lol 1037241;1425192123;asciilifeform;i'd guess that many folks can't even think about this subject without their brain melting from rage 1037242;1425192143;asciilifeform;'why should -this- piece of shit get 100k to enjoy life, while i sit on this stake...' 1037243;1425192153;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037139 << of course. meanwhile the last attempt by some other kids to pretend this is the case just imploded ? 1037244;1425192153;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 06:05:50; gabriel_laddel: "measuring the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange" 1037245;1425192173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect the idea wasn't that, but to educate thiel so he's less of a schmuck. 1037246;1425192184;gabriel_laddel;^ yup 1037247;1425192184;mircea_popescu;people with money they don't know what to do with are the very definition of schmuckdom 1037248;1425192213;asciilifeform;i'm not certain that it is possible to give him a heuristic good enough that he can ditch 'r-strategy' and go with 'k-strategy', to use the zoologist's terms 1037249;1425192217;gabriel_laddel;if you watch thiels videos in particular you can see that he wants to fund interesting things but doesn't know how 1037250;1425192223;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037142 << this is necessarily true, it directly flows from the definitions of the words you use. 1037251;1425192223;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 06:09:13; decimation: in the sense that some crank comes up with an idea that happens to be right, rather than the result of some carefully arranged program of research 1037252;1425192258;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel or what they are. or how to look for them. essentially he's a girl that'd like to fuck but never heard of clothes, or make-up or going out. 1037253;1425192272;gabriel_laddel;lol I know 1037254;1425192273;mircea_popescu;thiel the nubile savage. 1037255;1425192278;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: he's stuck relying on 'legitimate' communities of 'domain experts' and is doomed to never see anything of genuine interest, which is 100% on crank islands 1037256;1425192303;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude gtfo, nobody said management is required to be illiterate. 1037257;1425192308;gabriel_laddel;Eh, I read his startup notes, he has a brain. 1037258;1425192315;gabriel_laddel;and uses it 1037259;1425192319;mircea_popescu;but not an education. 1037260;1425192352;gabriel_laddel;it remains to be seen if he'll grok bitcoin. if he does, he'll probably end up funding interesting things. 1037261;1425192352;*;mircea_popescu quotes newman : 1037262;1425192362;mircea_popescu;"the education which gives a man a clear conscious view of his own opinions and judgments, a truth in developing them, an eloquence in expressing them, and a force in urging them. It teaches him to see things as they are, to go right to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical, and to discard what is irrelevant." 1037263;1425192370;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: think of how you, yourself, came upon al schwartz's thing 1037264;1425192379;gabriel_laddel;yes? 1037265;1425192381;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: was it by speaking with 'legit' physicists ? 1037266;1425192389;gabriel_laddel;No. 1037267;1425192394;*;mircea_popescu gleefully notices how alf is now using the "you yourself" device. 1037268;1425192396;asciilifeform;or with anyone to whom they might give the time of day? 1037269;1425192402;gabriel_laddel;Nope. 1037270;1425192412;asciilifeform;it was by hanging with sewer rats 1037271;1425192413;gabriel_laddel;lemme find the video 1037272;1425192419;gabriel_laddel;one sec 1037273;1425192422;asciilifeform;brown, grizzled, with monstrous teeth, no ? 1037274;1425192430;mircea_popescu;in this line : "oh mp must be insane to spend all his time on irc, if i was rich i'd do [???]". 1037275;1425192432;asciilifeform;would thiel read, e.g., my site ? 1037276;1425192442;asciilifeform;for all the platinum-iridium toilet in the world ? 1037277;1425192446;gabriel_laddel;he might 1037278;1425192454;asciilifeform;nope. and you can take that to the bank 1037279;1425192463;gabriel_laddel;and you know this how? 1037280;1425192464;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the matter with it, you writing with different letters or something ? 1037281;1425192507;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel, mircea_popescu: simply pointing out that most fiat 'barons' are more like herr buffett than mircea_popescu 1037282;1425192522;mircea_popescu;but not for any structural reason, is the important point. 1037283;1425192537;asciilifeform;for the structural reason of preferring their familiar private kitchens to a sewer hatchway 1037284;1425192543;asciilifeform;that leads to hell knows where 1037285;1425192544;mircea_popescu;whether most women in x population are more like californians or saudis has nothing to do wit ha cunt being a cunt. 1037286;1425192546;asciilifeform;and smells funny 1037287;1425192553;ben_vulpes; i'd guess that many folks can't even think about this subject without their brain melting from rage << a good eighth of my time is spent talking smart young guys down out of a shartup-inspired rage attack 1037288;1425192560;gabriel_laddel;Youtube doesn't have grep, and I'm not going to troll through all these videos to find the one I'm thinking of. In any case, in one of them he states that "scientists have been replaced with baccarats" and that "MOOCs are not going anywhere" 1037289;1425192580;gabriel_laddel;vaguely related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFVsVnczYqY 1037290;1425192582;assbot;Peter Thiel Was Right - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNYvux ) 1037291;1425192587;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's pretty "disruptive" alright, huh. "what are we disrupting ?" "the moral fiber of society" 1037292;1425192617;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel actually moocs are the superlative american college. 1037293;1425192629;gabriel_laddel;baccarats -> bureaucrats 1037294;1425192641;*;ben_vulpes goes to buy a bottle of wine to fuel the ruby rage 1037295;1425192643;*;asciilifeform was actually trying to picture casino game 1037296;1425192660;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037154 << i have my doubts about this "productive" perspective. 1037297;1425192660;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 06:11:21; gabriel_laddel: It took 3 generations of masters to produce Leonardo 1037298;1425192677;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i appreciated your point about hating programming recently 1037299;1425192690;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gabriel_laddel i just parsed it as "a weird way to say mountebanks" 1037300;1425192707;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm not even fully certain if i hate only programming specifically or work in general 1037301;1425192711;gabriel_laddel;06:54 << becuase american college sucks 1037302;1425192731;mircea_popescu;well... because it's "universal". once no kid's left behind, the boat's not sailing anywhere. 1037303;1425192745;mircea_popescu;the very fucking point of academia is to sail away. 1037304;1425192762;gabriel_laddel;Yep. Which is my point. Thiel has detected this. 1037305;1425192767;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: thiel's spewing trendisms to work your hindbrain 1037306;1425192769;gabriel_laddel;Is he here in #b-a? No. 1037307;1425192771;ben_vulpes;work requires only energy. 1037308;1425192780;ben_vulpes;programming requires obscene mental contortions. 1037309;1425192794;ben_vulpes;oh and dealing with the output of people who "like it". 1037310;1425192795;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: if he was spewing trendisms he'd be /supporting/ the MOOCs 1037311;1425192799;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i was speaking of work in the economic sense rather than physical 1037312;1425192806;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel there are two threads here. one is "thiel is dumb". this is not being entertained. the other is, "thiel's uneducated". this is my position. 1037313;1425192814;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: he's selective re: which trendisms to employ 1037314;1425192818;asciilifeform;so as to work your hindbrain. 1037315;1425192840;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'll add a third 1037316;1425192847;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037147 << if memory serves industrial productness was no part of the discussion. 1037317;1425192847;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 06:10:30; asciilifeform: which was known for a rather long time prior to becoming an industrial product 1037318;1425192856;asciilifeform;which is that herr thiel is operating on an understanding with the folks who allow him to exist 1037319;1425192862;mircea_popescu;we're at the "known for a long time" hurdle yet. 1037320;1425192867;asciilifeform;that precludes certain things, and requires others 1037321;1425192876;mircea_popescu;that's a null hypothesis. 1037322;1425192897;mircea_popescu;for instance i said null hypothesis as part of a deal with my brain to allow me to continue to exist. 1037323;1425192905;asciilifeform;lol! 1037324;1425192926;asciilifeform;let's make it concrete 1037325;1425192930;mircea_popescu;(by nh i mean, a statement which has no content) 1037326;1425192944;asciilifeform;what do you suppose would happen if herr thiel decided to pump every penny he had into buying btc ? 1037327;1425192953;asciilifeform;how far would he get before 'having problems' 1037328;1425192962;mircea_popescu;indefinitely far. 1037329;1425192975;asciilifeform;would the folks who can zero his bank balance by pressing a button, let btc climb to 100k usd ? 1037330;1425192985;mircea_popescu;in your craziest models you don't have a hitler lizard tribe capable to handle such sudden bends of activity. 1037331;1425192987;asciilifeform;or use a ten cent bullet 1037332;1425192992;gabriel_laddel;WE DONT KNOW 1037333;1425193029;mircea_popescu;what you describe is a what, 3 sigma event ? there's not a plan in place for two sigma events even. banal shit like "they used plane as rocket" 1037334;1425193054;asciilifeform;this is more along the lines of the mircea_popescu article where 'buffett is not actually rich because his dollars can't be sent to isis' 1037335;1425193065;asciilifeform;^ which is entirely true, imho 1037336;1425193087;mircea_popescu;so far my bitcoins are getting sent to the btc bears lol. 1037337;1425193188;mircea_popescu;anyway, whatever would happen would come as a surprise to everyone, including in no particular order : a) the people running btc-usd exchanges ; b) you ; c) the friendly usg log reader delegate ; d) isabelle boring or w/e her name is ; etc 1037338;1425193204;mircea_popescu;what WAS that chick's name ? 1037339;1425193213;asciilifeform;unless i catastrophically misunderstand, ^ the bears inevitably get the coin unless a fully bitcoinized supply chain materializes for mircea_popescu and others to use 1037340;1425193229;mircea_popescu;;;google boring miss florida congressional aide made a derpy "bitcoin chamber of commerce" 1037341;1425193230;gribble;No matches found. 1037342;1425193234;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1037343;1425193245;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i meant the berkshire bet. 1037344;1425193249;asciilifeform;ah 1037345;1425193280;*;asciilifeform confesses that he wondered if the purpose of that bet was not necessarily to win, but to soften a target 1037346;1425193292;asciilifeform;that is, to exhaust the resources of folks tasked with arranging mircea_popescu losing it 1037347;1425193320;mircea_popescu;https://bitcoinpresscenter.org/presslist-filtered/spoken-arabic << this shit's so lulzy. 1037348;1425193322;assbot;Bitcoin Press Center | A global media center for bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zP24tZ ) 1037349;1425193336;mircea_popescu;and wtf is "rooteleven.com" anyway 1037350;1425193364;asciilifeform;;;calc sqrt(11) 1037351;1425193365;gribble;3.31662479036 1037352;1425193373;asciilifeform;^ it 1037353;1425193423;gabriel_laddel;10:37 - who is that with Thiel, could it be the evil racist Charles Murray? 1037354;1425193438;gabriel_laddel;debating on the /same side/?!?!?! 1037355;1425193466;gabriel_laddel;That's not respectable at all! 1037356;1425193469;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the intelligence vs education thing. i wish i had words to express my meaning in intelligible english. let's try by saying that a good mark of one's education is what sort of thing he fills his space with. 1037357;1425193477;*;asciilifeform won't give a damn if thiel appears with watson and putin also 1037358;1425193486;mircea_popescu;"but honey, you can't marry this guy. his parents have no library in the house!" 1037359;1425193548;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: this is, as far as I can tell, roughly the equivalent of reading your blog. 1037360;1425193562;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: lol nope. 1037361;1425193579;gabriel_laddel;? 1037362;1425193582;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: you don't need to open a sewer hatchway to get to herr murray 1037363;1425193586;asciilifeform;or watson, or putin 1037364;1425193596;mircea_popescu;Charles Murray, 1st Earl of Dunmore ?! 1037365;1425193600;mircea_popescu;what murray is this ? 1037366;1425193605;asciilifeform;they're mainstream 'guiding lights', albeit - in the degenerate anglo world, with a 'minus' sign 1037367;1425193627;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(political_scientist) 1037368;1425193629;assbot;Charles Murray (political scientist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNZ33v ) 1037369;1425193629;asciilifeform;nah the other one 1037370;1425193632;asciilifeform;aha him 1037371;1425193644;mircea_popescu;"Charles Alan Murray (born 1943) is an American paleoconservative and paleolibertarian leaning political scientist, author, columnist, and pundit." 1037372;1425193651;mircea_popescu;what's "paleo" mean in wikipedia ? 1037373;1425193661;mircea_popescu;he doesn't eat bread with conservatives ? 1037374;1425193696;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: so wait, would visiting e.g., Schwartz qualify for "stepping into the sewer" 1037375;1425193705;asciilifeform;it would 1037376;1425193724;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: try to see the pattern here 1037377;1425193730;decimation;mircea_popescu: roughly, 'conservative' in america today means 'republican', which also means 'pro-state' 1037378;1425193734;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: I gotcha 1037379;1425193744;gabriel_laddel;finally. 1037380;1425193745;mircea_popescu;so paleo is anti-state ? 1037381;1425193758;decimation;not exactly, but he wouldn't be invited to any parties at cpac 1037382;1425193771;mircea_popescu;do words have any meanings whatsoever anymore ? 1037383;1425193778;mircea_popescu;THIS is a fine example of what i fucking mean by educated. 1037384;1425193779;asciilifeform;murray put his hands firmly on the 'third rail' in usa 1037385;1425193783;mircea_popescu;it doesn't matter how intelligent us kids are. 1037386;1425193790;mircea_popescu;in that cesspool they can't be anything but louts. 1037387;1425193805;decimation;mircea_popescu: modern us politics is a sandpile built upon equivocation 1037388;1425193810;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you need a full body containment suit just to survive as a thinking man here. 1037389;1425193814;mircea_popescu;as opposed to what, finance ? 1037390;1425193824;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: preferably with closed filtration cycle 1037391;1425193826;mircea_popescu;or to wha texactly. erotica ? 1037392;1425193863;mircea_popescu;what part of english as a single language ISNT perpetual and universally equivocal synonymy 1037393;1425193895;mircea_popescu;Murray's Law: 1037394;1425193895;mircea_popescu;1. The Law of Imperfect Selection: Any objective rule that defines eligibility for a social transfer program will irrationally exclude some persons. 1037395;1425193895;mircea_popescu;2. The Law of Unintended Rewards: Any social transfer increases the net value of being in the condition that prompted the transfer. 1037396;1425193895;mircea_popescu;3. The Law of Net Harm: The less likely it is that the unwanted behavior will change voluntarily, the more likely it is that a program to induce change will cause net harm. 1037397;1425193898;mircea_popescu;ok, that much makes sense. 1037398;1425193919;mircea_popescu;no idea why this'd be "murray's law", but at least i see something. 1037399;1425193958;gabriel_laddel;!s cognitive dissonance 1037400;1425193959;assbot;16 results for 'cognitive dissonance' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cognitive+dissonance 1037401;1425193964;gabriel_laddel;the US is fucking insane 1037402;1425193987;mircea_popescu;1. Any rule applied uniformly over a group with a view to some purpose will result in measurable contradiction of the purpose before it results in measurable achievement of the purpose. 1037403;1425193988;gabriel_laddel;people try codifying common sense to make it more palatable - doesn't work 1037404;1425193993;decimation;generally, my understanding is that 'paleoconservatives' want to wind us society back to something resembling the 'cis-democracy' in that moldbug peice 1037405;1425193995;mircea_popescu;2 is good as is. 1037406;1425194005;mircea_popescu;3. too. 1037407;1425194007;mircea_popescu;cool. 1037408;1425194053;mircea_popescu;for the record, the earl dunmore was pretty cool too. 1037409;1425194095;decimation;one of murray's books advanced the idea that the ruling us elite were cutting asunder all social mores and strictures that bound the masses 1037410;1425194113;mircea_popescu;i dun think this is controversial. 1037411;1425194129;asciilifeform;one of the mega-lulz re: 'paleoconservatives' is that most of these folks (that i've had the fortune of reading) struggle with a mental bug - they yearn to roll back to some known-good state where various old-school religions were still strong, but don't personally subscribe to them 1037412;1425194134;decimation;while they silently keep those mores alive amoung themselves 1037413;1425194154;asciilifeform;and openly profess to wish for a pill that would 'turn them catholic' or whatnot 1037414;1425194170;asciilifeform;mr mold once confessed that he might like an 'islamization pill' 1037415;1425194180;decimation;george will sort of fits that description 1037416;1425194223;asciilifeform;i, (in my mental card catalogue, naturally) call this 'the green pill' 1037417;1425194225;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically they yearn to be women. 1037418;1425194233;asciilifeform;adjunct to blue & red already in the pharmacy we know 1037419;1425194245;asciilifeform;(green for the colour of the prophet's banner, naturally!) 1037420;1425194249;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it 1037421;1425194257;decimation;oh, murray also co-authored 'the bell curve' 1037422;1425194268;decimation;which controversially asserted that jews were smarter than blacks 1037423;1425194283;mircea_popescu;how did the ets do ? 1037424;1425194302;asciilifeform;based, iirc, on longitudinal (that is, lifetime progress) study of children, esp. adopted cross-ethnically at birth 1037425;1425194316;asciilifeform;the conclusions of which, interestingly, none of the establishment types bothered to attack directly 1037426;1425194319;asciilifeform;because it was bulletproof 1037427;1425194331;*;gabriel_laddel *gasp* 1037428;1425194333;asciilifeform;instead they had to declare murry a public enemy and 'hitler' 1037429;1425194334;decimation;no, but they strongly 'taught the controversy' 1037430;1425194337;asciilifeform;aha 1037431;1425194358;mircea_popescu;how many children ? 1037432;1425194464;asciilifeform;~13,000 1037433;1425194467;asciilifeform;iirc 1037434;1425194485;mircea_popescu;almost respectable. 1037435;1425194497;mircea_popescu;i was all prepared to hear 300 and say "rubbish" 1037436;1425194507;asciilifeform;it wasn't rubbish. 1037437;1425194521;asciilifeform;that's why the solid wall of bullshit built around the subject by usg 1037438;1425194529;asciilifeform;almost impenetrable by the idly curious 1037439;1425194573;mircea_popescu;ftr, i dun actually credit the race/intelligence theory. not that i have strong feelings either way 1037440;1425194576;asciilifeform;visit a university library; 'bell curve' is a little brick, the 'refutations' - a book case and climbing 1037441;1425194589;mircea_popescu;but the whole thing strikes me like an attempt to establish a link between female beauty and hair color. 1037442;1425194601;decimation;one datapoint "“The NLSY, administered in 1980 to by far the largest sample (6,502 whites, 3,022 blacks) in a national study, found a difference of 1.21 standard deviations on the AFQT.â€" 1037443;1425194638;decimation;AFQT means 'armed forces qualifying test' 1037444;1425194643;mircea_popescu;if iq tests worked we'd have usable software. 1037445;1425194654;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can work without being any more than 'dismal science' 1037446;1425194660;asciilifeform;that tells you just how fucked you are 1037447;1425194667;gabriel_laddel;if iq tests worked we'd have usable software. << see symbolics inc 1037448;1425194668;mircea_popescu;wait wut !? 1037449;1425194693;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i gather, intelligence is only slightly heritable, but stupidity - is very 1037450;1425194698;mircea_popescu;lol. 1037451;1425194727;mircea_popescu;intelligence, in a strict sense of whatever, bus speed ? bus width ? ram ? cpu cycles ? frequency of parity errors ? 1037452;1425194729;asciilifeform;as are a thousand mental dysfunctions most of which haven't even a name 1037453;1425194737;asciilifeform;!s myelin sheaths 1037454;1425194737;assbot;2 results for 'myelin sheaths' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=myelin+sheaths 1037455;1425194738;mircea_popescu;is really the small part of the discussion. thiel is smart, and it doesn't help him 1037456;1425194747;asciilifeform;^ i had a physical, testable hypothesis 1037457;1425194754;mircea_popescu;yes. 1037458;1425194758;asciilifeform;check back in 10,000 years when the cockroaches replace us 1037459;1425194759;asciilifeform;they'll test. 1037460;1425194769;mircea_popescu;well... "testable" . you gotta kill people. 1037461;1425194789;asciilifeform;i don't expect it tested in mouse or man in own lifetime 1037462;1425194799;asciilifeform;'too much fun' 1037463;1425194810;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037159 << your point actually fails under its own weight. are fractals random ? 1037464;1425194810;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 06:13:09; gabriel_laddel: my point is that science does not advance "at random" 1037465;1425194827;gabriel_laddel;no 1037466;1425194831;mircea_popescu;it advances at random to a random degree, is the thing. 1037467;1425194834;decimation;from the book: “In any case, you are not going to learn tomorrow that all the cognitive differences between races are 100 percent genetic in origin, because the scientific state of knowledge, unfinished as it is, already gives ample evidence that environment is part of the story. But the evidence eventually may become unequivocal that genes are also part of the story. We are worried that the elite wisdom on this issue, for years 1037468;1425194835;decimation;almost hysterically in denial about that possibility, will snap too far in the other direction. It is possible to face all the facts on ethnic and race differences in intelligence and not run screaming from the room: That is the essential message.†1037469;1425194839;mircea_popescu;which actually means a very good quality random. 1037470;1425194864;mircea_popescu;decimation does it at any place say what it deems intelligence to be, this book ? 1037471;1425194884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no, but it does go into the subject of stupidity 1037472;1425194895;mircea_popescu;not a very good book eh. 1037473;1425194901;gabriel_laddel;http://youtu.be/xzTH_ZqaFKI?t=9m57s << neat, working software, with the foundations built by high IQ individuals 1037474;1425194904;assbot;LiveCoding in CommonLisp. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNZVVP ) 1037475;1425194910;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a perfectly good epidemiological work. 1037476;1425194934;mircea_popescu;why does it define stupidity and make statements about intelligence ? should stick to stupidity. 1037477;1425194941;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: eww opengl blackbox 1037478;1425194950;*;asciilifeform saw five seconds, saw enough 1037479;1425194952;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel it occurs to me the templeos guy is kinda high iq 1037480;1425194980;asciilifeform;see also link to classic thread re: 'cranks' coming 'untethered' 1037481;1425194984;asciilifeform;for good or ill 1037482;1425194990;gabriel_laddel;^ 1037483;1425195004;asciilifeform;terry davis doesn't have to answer to a grant committee 1037484;1425195007;mircea_popescu;lmao wtf was this, monkey @ lisp term ?! 1037485;1425195023;asciilifeform;and ends up with certain things, some interesting, some not, with a heavy flavour of jizzus jizzm 1037486;1425195038;asciilifeform;i, in his place, would come up with something quite else 1037487;1425195053;asciilifeform;you - yet else 1037488;1425195053;asciilifeform;etc 1037489;1425195071;mircea_popescu;i dun see what "in his place" would mean. 1037490;1425195076;asciilifeform;his 'thiel fellowship' came from usg. 1037491;1425195088;asciilifeform;starvation pension, but enough to keep his computer lit 1037492;1425195093;gabriel_laddel;!s langton's ant 1037493;1425195093;assbot;9 results for 'langton's ant' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=langton%27s+ant 1037494;1425195102;gabriel_laddel;"what is intelligence?" 1037495;1425195116;mircea_popescu;"like beauty, but for men" 1037496;1425195122;gabriel_laddel;haha yeah 1037497;1425195129;mircea_popescu;srsly. 1037498;1425195137;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'his place' - thinking man who found, by accident or otherwise, an escape hatch from arbeit macht frei 1037499;1425195152;mircea_popescu;i dun follow ? 1037500;1425195159;asciilifeform;he doesn't have to work a day job 1037501;1425195167;mircea_popescu;so then im in his place ? 1037502;1425195169;asciilifeform;aha 1037503;1425195174;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: perianne. 1037504;1425195174;mircea_popescu;and you aren't ? 1037505;1425195178;asciilifeform;nope 1037506;1425195180;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes bless you. 1037507;1425195181;decimation;the book has a whole chapter on the subject of defining intelligence 1037508;1425195185;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because you HAVE to ? 1037509;1425195192;mircea_popescu;decimation anything good ? 1037510;1425195197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha 1037511;1425195199;mircea_popescu;or just teachin' the controversy 1037512;1425195201;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to keep the lights on 1037513;1425195204;gabriel_laddel;monkey @ lisp term ?! << outside of that, have you ever seen any program written as "fluidly"? Which comes back to the original discussion of "what is intelligence" 1037514;1425195206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mayhap that needs work ? 1037515;1425195211;decimation;but essentially ends up with the 'classical' theory, which is 'this statistical thing that tends to pop out reliably on these tests' 1037516;1425195219;gabriel_laddel;"why prefer incremental compilation over batch?" 1037517;1425195238;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i dunno, i dun tend to spy on people writing code that much, i'm prolly the most ignorant in the room on that score. 1037518;1425195240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wai wat ? 1037519;1425195244;gabriel_laddel;because its prettier 1037520;1425195259;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "have to". if you were writing software it'd be a magic variabler. 1037521;1425195301;asciilifeform;iirc i described the kinds of thing i do for living.. 1037522;1425195317;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, that's not it. if i were in prison, would i HAVE TO be in prison to keep the lights on ? 1037523;1425195320;mircea_popescu;ie, would it be my job ? 1037524;1425195345;asciilifeform;in ru prison circa 1951 - aha, job. want to eat? dig 1037525;1425195355;mircea_popescu;just then ? 1037526;1425195363;asciilifeform;(or, if very talented, beat another fella into digging your share) 1037527;1425195387;asciilifeform;just then << 'peak stalin' 1037528;1425195389;mircea_popescu;my point being, your have to is weak. not to any personal effect, but it does ruin our theory. 1037529;1425195403;asciilifeform;after he croaked, that kind of thing was - at least on paper - somewhat curtailed 1037530;1425195414;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037164 << the important point here is that causes not purposes. 1037531;1425195414;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 06:14:45; gabriel_laddel: can you predict exactly what a WoT enabled world will look like? 1037532;1425195427;mircea_popescu;for all i care the wot world can result in the sky combusing. 1037533;1425195433;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is true in that, technically, i could cough up tomorrow's lottery number and play and then 'not have to' and no physical law prevents it 1037534;1425195433;mircea_popescu;combusting* 1037535;1425195439;asciilifeform;but this is not an algorithmic soluton. 1037536;1425195441;asciilifeform;*solution 1037537;1425195444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or learn to eat air. or w/e. 1037538;1425195447;asciilifeform;aha air 1037539;1425195452;asciilifeform;unbeatable taste 1037540;1425195453;mircea_popescu;well... maybe templeos guy did ? 1037541;1425195467;asciilifeform;not according to his account 1037542;1425195475;mircea_popescu;and he'd know. 1037543;1425195476;asciilifeform;he gets usg pension. 1037544;1425195481;mircea_popescu;because the first thing fish mentions is the water. 1037545;1425195486;asciilifeform;i've no reason to doubt the fact of it 1037546;1425195501;asciilifeform;plenty of folks do - simply that most of them don't write oddball os 1037547;1425195515;mircea_popescu;if facts were facts debates would be silent observances. 1037548;1425195553;asciilifeform;must confess, i don't know him in person 1037549;1425195571;asciilifeform;but his self-portrait isn't in any way stretching belief 1037550;1425195576;mircea_popescu;did i ever tell you about the naked gypsy girl ? 1037551;1425195583;asciilifeform;gets small pension from usg, lives alone in tiny flat, eats little 1037552;1425195591;asciilifeform;hm? 1037553;1425195619;mircea_popescu;took some ppls to see the enchanted gypsy palaces in turda (romania). which, you know, are pretty elaborate. 1037554;1425195651;mircea_popescu;took a wroing turn, ended up on mud street from 1750. down towards us, completely naked 9yo girl, rope tied around her waist. literally rope. 1037555;1425195668;mircea_popescu;everyone's aghast. 1037556;1425195684;mircea_popescu;but barefoot girl in the mud aside : she probably had parents, who similarly had to work to keep the lights on. 1037557;1425195690;mircea_popescu;in the shape of the sun, i guess. 1037558;1425195734;decimation;someone had to shape the mud into huts 1037559;1425195763;asciilifeform;unless the gurl photosynthesizes - yes, they have to, or starve. 1037560;1425195766;mircea_popescu;no these are literally palaces. 1037561;1425195770;mircea_popescu;lemme dig something up here 1037562;1425195788;asciilifeform;what 'work' means in the gypsy palace, i haven't any notion 1037563;1425195795;mircea_popescu;;;google palate tiganesti turda 1037564;1425195795;gribble;Palatele tiganesti din Buzescu - YouTube: ; case de tigani - YouTube: ; palatul lui Juliano radu - YouTube: 1037565;1425195802;asciilifeform;but whatever it is they do to keep the trucks coming 1037566;1425195804;mircea_popescu;see the pics / whatevs. 1037567;1425195806;decimation;at any rate, the "iq" thing seems more useful when applied on the population level 1037568;1425195809;asciilifeform;derivatives trading? 1037569;1425195833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a long array of things, all more or less coney. 1037570;1425195837;decimation;it might not tell you who to hire next, but it would explain why nobody in the city you are visiting has heard of plumbing 1037571;1425195862;asciilifeform;or why 400 years of plumbing school at gunpoint had no effect 1037572;1425195865;asciilifeform;decimation has it. 1037573;1425195883;mircea_popescu;decimation would it now ? seems more a function of where htey were born, if they heard of plumbing or not. 1037574;1425195893;gabriel_laddel;omfg 1037575;1425195894;asciilifeform;(by 'plumbing' here mean 'not shitting where you drink') 1037576;1425195905;decimation;aye 1037577;1425195918;mircea_popescu;i doubt this is inborn. 1037578;1425195931;decimation;wow those really are palaces 1037579;1425195954;mircea_popescu;yes. and you should see the insides, furs and shit. it's really very azn 1037580;1425195964;asciilifeform;complete with wall carpets? 1037581;1425195976;mircea_popescu;always good for a culture shock for usians, because somehow they think starbucks is luxury. 1037582;1425195984;decimation;is this what they do with all the coins they manage to scrape together? 1037583;1425195985;mircea_popescu;meanwhile these dudes fuck on tiger fur. 1037584;1425196005;mircea_popescu;decimation well, some of those were built out of begging, some out of scrap metal theft, some out of who knows what. 1037585;1425196025;asciilifeform;eh betcha it's been deluxurized by chinese tiger farms 1037586;1425196034;asciilifeform;but basic point stands 1037587;1425196064;mircea_popescu;anyway, i was cheating a little ( http://trilema.com/2010/nuditatea-la-copii-si-sugari/ << original article where scene above is described). it just so happens that in that culture, kids are supposed to be naked pre puberty. 1037588;1425196065;assbot;Nuditatea la copii si sugari pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wC5Aqy ) 1037589;1425196080;asciilifeform;described in, among other places, orlov's 1037590;1425196084;asciilifeform;'5 stages' 1037591;1425196092;mircea_popescu;but point remains : what man HAS TO do is never clear. 1037592;1425196092;asciilifeform;(he takes a strange fixation with the gypsies) 1037593;1425196098;decimation;my usian upbringing causes me to conjure some dude living in a hovel or a wagon upon hearing 'gypsy' 1037594;1425196121;mircea_popescu;decimation in fairness, most do. these are the rare exceptions not the bulk. recall orwell's "jew makes a dollar a day" thing 1037595;1425196175;asciilifeform;i can picture that if mircea_popescu ever opens a jail, all of the cages will open from the inside with a 32-bit combination lock. nobody will 'have to' sit in this jail 1037596;1425196184;asciilifeform;can always open the lock, no ? 1037597;1425196185;mircea_popescu;quite. 1037598;1425196211;mircea_popescu;32 bit may be a little short. 1037599;1425196221;mircea_popescu;;;calc 6**27 1037600;1425196221;gribble;1023490369077469249536 1037601;1425196221;asciilifeform;this, incidentally, might be a fairly good 'business model' 1037602;1425196226;mircea_popescu;6 letter lock. 1037603;1425196233;gabriel_laddel;"let me tell you a story about a mouse I caught in a field..." 1037604;1425196248;asciilifeform;in that the occasional escaped maniac is outweighed by the folks who will sit for decades flipping digits 1037605;1425196257;mircea_popescu;incidentally : this would be a great prison. judge doesn't give you a term. judge gives you a frequency count. 1037606;1425196260;asciilifeform;aha 1037607;1425196269;mircea_popescu;you can get out once you're industrious enough. 1037608;1425196285;asciilifeform;i came up with this based on the more well-known 'schrodinger jail' 1037609;1425196287;mircea_popescu;1:1024*2 for theft. 1037610;1425196295;decimation;plus the prisioners would be occupied with something, instead of scheming how to spray bodily fluids on whoever happens by the slot 1037611;1425196302;asciilifeform;where you get a probability spread as sentence 1037612;1425196320;asciilifeform;and get days off your term for playing 'russian roulette' 1037613;1425196328;mircea_popescu;!up shesek 1037614;1425196340;asciilifeform;decimation: aha, that'd be the point 1037615;1425196379;mircea_popescu;lmao fucken dyslexia 1037616;1425196383;mircea_popescu;;;calc 27**6 1037617;1425196383;gribble;387420489 1037618;1425196392;mircea_popescu;i was thinking wtf that many ?! 1037619;1425196408;*;asciilifeform was thinking 'which six letters' 1037620;1425196416;asciilifeform;and 'why 27 of'em' 1037621;1425196426;decimation;another variant: all the prisoners play 'WoW' - upon gaining some princely sum of gold they can be freed 1037622;1425196434;asciilifeform;decimation: sop in china 1037623;1425196436;mircea_popescu;this is how china does it already. 1037624;1425196440;decimation;hehe yeah 1037625;1425196461;mircea_popescu;"rate jail best on ijail 5bn times, walk free!" 1037626;1425196481;asciilifeform;except afaik they do 'get to eat' instead of 'walk free' 1037627;1425196522;decimation;maybe someone should make a bitbet for the date of the appearance of an official usg 'game' 1037628;1425196544;mircea_popescu;how'd you specify it. 1037629;1425196547;asciilifeform;'america's army' 1037630;1425196554;asciilifeform;or some other kind of game meant here ? 1037631;1425196560;mircea_popescu;wasn't it "army of one" ? 1037632;1425196577;asciilifeform;http://www.americasarmy.com 1037633;1425196578;assbot;America's Army ... ( http://bit.ly/1BO23wG ) 1037634;1425196606;ben_vulpes;skinned counterstrike or some such? 1037635;1425196615;*;mircea_popescu half expects to find some bad retailer on the other end 1037636;1425196618;decimation;the purpose of the game would be to 'sink' hours of the otherwise idle usg employees 1037637;1425196627;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nah, zynga something. 1037638;1425196630;asciilifeform;iirc it was freeware 1037639;1425196654;mircea_popescu;"america's army products community" yep right on. 1037640;1425196668;asciilifeform;3d 'shooter' where you had to 'pass bootcamp', dig pits, die in ten minutes of firefight dropping like potato, etc 1037641;1425196683;asciilifeform;'realism' 1037642;1425196696;asciilifeform;was commissioned as a recruiting gimmick 1037643;1425196724;mircea_popescu;"About Rin I’m Cathe(rin)e Ray." not bad. 1037644;1425196746;asciilifeform;http://store.steampowered.com/app/203290 1037645;1425196748;assbot;America's Army: Proving Grounds Beta on Steam ... ( http://bit.ly/1wC7PtG ) 1037646;1425196800;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i sent her an email. iron a shirt in case shows up. 1037647;1425196881;mircea_popescu;http://www.thielfellowship.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/fellowship-banners_about-1280x460.jpg << is it me or it's mostly guys and mostly white ? 1037648;1425196882;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BO2uY7 ) 1037649;1425196906;gabriel_laddel;Not just you. 1037650;1425196916;gabriel_laddel;Also, lots of asian males. 1037651;1425196936;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these are the only folks for whom there isn't already $maxint in handouts 1037652;1425196973;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel azn as in indian, but not chinese. 1037653;1425197006;gabriel_laddel;nah, some Chinese, Vietnamese too 1037654;1425197028;gabriel_laddel;but yes, there are a lot of indians, which I didn't previously notice 1037655;1425197040;mircea_popescu;and blondy in black dress over there's almost hawt. 1037656;1425197047;mircea_popescu;well... good for em. 1037657;1425197049;gabriel_laddel;(these being from the previous generations) 1037658;1425197102;mircea_popescu;"Alum and current fellows have produced more than $100 million in economic activity including investments, exits, revenue, and grants. " 1037659;1425197105;mircea_popescu;uh. 1037660;1425197120;gabriel_laddel;I, with the devil's own smile, invite them to take pictures 1037661;1425197120;gabriel_laddel;"If we show up at the border with That We're going straight to prison!" 1037662;1425197120;mircea_popescu;"Fifty-eight organizations and startups have been founded by fellows, employing over 200 people, and creating new technologies that are being deployed around the world." 1037663;1425197121;gabriel_laddel;ahahahaha 1037664;1425197126;mircea_popescu;wait, there's 40 people a year right ? 1037665;1425197127;gabriel_laddel;(From MPs gypsy girl story) 1037666;1425197131;mircea_popescu;so basically they employ themselves ? 1037667;1425197135;gabriel_laddel;yeah 1037668;1425197138;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel truth. 1037669;1425197155;gabriel_laddel;most of the companies are just pathetic in practice 1037670;1425197175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the u.s. military technical term for this is 'self-licking icecream cone' 1037671;1425197190;asciilifeform;!s self-licking 1037672;1425197191;assbot;10 results for 'self-licking' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=self-licking 1037673;1425197191;gabriel_laddel;the neat people in the Thiel fellowship are the mathematics kids, who are sort of the odd ones out 1037674;1425197223;*;mircea_popescu was a recipient of something vaguely similar at a similar age. 1037675;1425197228;mircea_popescu;it doesn't do much. 1037676;1425197245;asciilifeform;because it's a temporary parole, for one thing 1037677;1425197274;asciilifeform;if someone sent me 100k (magically, tax-free) i'd do... what? take 3 mo. off, spend the next 9 looking for next gig ? 1037678;1425197297;decimation;you could ration it slowly if you lived in rural kansas 1037679;1425197297;gabriel_laddel;2 years to play with Mathematics sounds wonderfully useful to me. 1037680;1425197306;mircea_popescu;ah, i a) didn't actually need the money ; b) wasn't really about the money per se anyway 1037681;1425197324;gabriel_laddel;well, in truth the Thiel fellowship doesn't even give it all away at once 1037682;1425197327;gabriel_laddel;which is fucking stupid 1037683;1425197333;mircea_popescu;no, it's not. 1037684;1425197333;gabriel_laddel;they want them to play nicely with the world 1037685;1425197337;gabriel_laddel;fuck that 1037686;1425197344;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: play nicely ? 1037687;1425197347;mircea_popescu;best way to get a bright kid killed is by giving him ten bricks of benjamins. 1037688;1425197362;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what, he buys bazooka ? 1037689;1425197373;asciilifeform;what if getting killed with honour is precisely what he wanted and needed 1037690;1425197377;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: they don't want them to e.g., make a napster 1037691;1425197387;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: wai wut 1037692;1425197391;asciilifeform;i thought that was the point 1037693;1425197397;gabriel_laddel;they dole it out a month at a time 1037694;1425197398;asciilifeform;make something thiel-flavoured 1037695;1425197401;gabriel_laddel;and check up on you 1037696;1425197408;asciilifeform;aha so kommisars. 1037697;1425197409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kids. they'll find something to do. 1037698;1425197423;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i didn't think the thiel thing could get -more- snoreworthy 1037699;1425197428;asciilifeform;but evidently i was wrong! 1037700;1425197430;gabriel_laddel;hehe 1037701;1425197453;mircea_popescu;omg you buncha antisocial haters. you can't have a mentor or anything ? 1037702;1425197455;gabriel_laddel;it seems to me the model is to find smart, angry people, fund them and then when things go to shit, stand behind them and keep them out of trouble. 1037703;1425197462;mircea_popescu;da fuck are some kids gonna suffer from talking to adults ? 1037704;1425197469;gabriel_laddel;but I don't know anything 1037705;1425197470;decimation;what's wrong with enslaving yourself to someone better? 1037706;1425197480;asciilifeform;decimation: nothing - it's called army 1037707;1425197533;asciilifeform;if they dole it out month at a time - it's a fucking -job- 1037708;1425197567;gabriel_laddel;the 'adults' are not going to be happy about you writing a program that converts all books in libgen.info + all papers you can get of school networks into a useful format via a combination of OCR and heuristic hackery 1037709;1425197572;gabriel_laddel;which would actually be useful 1037710;1425197577;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's called an annuity! 1037711;1425197585;mircea_popescu;which is the better way to get a windfall anyway. 1037712;1425197596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a job if you gotta do xxxxx to keep'em coming 1037713;1425197598;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel how do you know this, sight unseen ? 1037714;1425197603;asciilifeform;and avoid doing yyyyy 1037715;1425197619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you know this ? 1037716;1425197629;asciilifeform;only from gabriel_laddel's summary thus far 1037717;1425197661;ben_vulpes; and blondy in black dress over there's almost hawt. << reminds me of the intro line newcomers to pdx-burningman were subjected to without fail for years, presumably if the political correctness mob hasn't gotten to them yet still are: "are you hot?" 1037718;1425197665;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: know what in particular? 1037719;1425197695;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel thgat the adults are not going ot be happy. 1037720;1425197716;gabriel_laddel;Oh, I've teh insider information 1037721;1425197721;mircea_popescu;ah. 1037722;1425197728;asciilifeform;i for one would like to know if any thiel folks have been 'fired' 1037723;1425197731;asciilifeform;and if so, for what. 1037724;1425197731;mircea_popescu;you know blondy, too ? 1037725;1425197752;asciilifeform;i bet they're NDA'd etc. but if you turn the screws, can probably find out. 1037726;1425197752;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not a bad approach. 1037727;1425197760;gabriel_laddel;^ I know of one in particular... 1037728;1425197800;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes both genders ? 1037729;1425197811;gabriel_laddel;He presented someone else's program as his own. They didn't check, being fuckwits, but eventually found out. 1037730;1425197816;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: everyone. 1037731;1425197827;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i bet you could toss 19 out of 20 of'em for this 1037732;1425197835;ben_vulpes;portland's a moderately kinky town. 1037733;1425197840;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel why the fuck would he do that. 1037734;1425197842;asciilifeform;almost invariably 'high powered' kids in usa are simply cribbing mindlessly 1037735;1425197846;asciilifeform;ask a college prof 1037736;1425197848;gabriel_laddel;being a poorfag 1037737;1425197848;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes seems harmless enough. 1037738;1425197863;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: sets the tone, you know? 1037739;1425197903;*;decimation to bed 1037740;1425197906;decimation;!down decimation 1037741;1425197912;ben_vulpes; if someone sent me 100k (magically, tax-free) i'd do... what? take 3 mo. off, spend the next 9 looking for next gig ? << good grief your burn rate, man. 1037742;1425197934;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes at least his harem isn't 40k a month! 1037743;1425197948;asciilifeform;did i ever tell the tale of how i was once about to do a little consulting for an engineering prof, and discovered that the code that implemented 'his' algo was plagiarized wholesale by his students? 1037744;1425197948;mircea_popescu;and what IS burning man but fuck club ? 1037745;1425197964;asciilifeform;and that the same happened again after he fired the first set and replaced entire staff ? 1037746;1425197986;asciilifeform;cribbed from public domain libs, quite unrelated to the actual project, passed off as 'new' 1037747;1425197990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you didn't end up beaten as a result of this ? 1037748;1425198004;*;mircea_popescu pictures kramer @ karate class. 1037749;1425198014;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i had to refuse the client 1037750;1425198024;asciilifeform;which was painful because he was a family friend and a man i respected 1037751;1425198025;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: is that *your* harem's burn rate? 1037752;1425198035;asciilifeform;but he tried to convince me to participate in a sc4m4tr0n 1037753;1425198056;asciilifeform;knew about the 'little problem' and said nothing when commissioning the work 1037754;1425198062;asciilifeform;thought i wouldn't find out. 1037755;1425198068;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nah merely reference to a discussion in logs a few days ago 1037756;1425198075;ben_vulpes;!s 40k 1037757;1425198076;assbot;93 results for '40k' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=40k 1037758;1425198093;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, what's the objection to macarthur prizes ? 1037759;1425198114;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no objection as such, aside from 'gimme' 1037760;1425198117;mircea_popescu;125k a year for five years, beats thiel, but anyway 1037761;1425198120;mircea_popescu;ah 1037762;1425198134;asciilifeform;just that none of the folks involved, afaik, coughed up anything i'd miss if it were thermonuked 1037763;1425198141;asciilifeform;all summed to zero. 1037764;1425198149;mircea_popescu;imo it's pretty well designed. 1037765;1425198154;asciilifeform;designed to what ? 1037766;1425198159;mircea_popescu;wolfram guy got it, didn't he ? 1037767;1425198182;asciilifeform;iirc he was already rich from scamming 1037768;1425198193;asciilifeform;that is, cribbed 'macsyma' and passed off as own work 1037769;1425198206;*;asciilifeform doesn't like sc4mz0rz 1037770;1425198234;mircea_popescu;anyway, for 500k, enough respectable names there. 1037771;1425198257;asciilifeform;yes but how many respectable -after- the prize and not before 1037772;1425198263;asciilifeform;as in, not at all before 1037773;1425198266;asciilifeform;street urchin 1037774;1425198284;mircea_popescu;more than half. 1037775;1425198341;mircea_popescu;Klainerman << fine example. 1037776;1425198364;asciilifeform;did he need it ? 1037777;1425198372;asciilifeform;or would've been golden with or without 1037778;1425198375;mircea_popescu;romanian immigrant post revolution 1037779;1425198378;mircea_popescu;whadda ya think ? 1037780;1425198399;asciilifeform;hm. 1037781;1425198407;ben_vulpes; what's wrong with enslaving yourself to someone better?, decimation: nothing - it's called army << do reconsider la serenissima in this light 1037782;1425198410;*;asciilifeform not insisting it had a 0% coefficient of useful work 1037783;1425198424;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: when do i get to die in a tank 1037784;1425198448;asciilifeform;and can it be a t-34 1037785;1425198454;mircea_popescu;Norman Manea << another fine example. 1037786;1425198508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc the way it worked (works? i think, still exists?) is via a kind of secret wot 1037787;1425198519;asciilifeform;which means that these folks weren't total islands 1037788;1425198523;mircea_popescu;o look daniela rus too 1037789;1425198530;mircea_popescu;no srsly, it's 3/3 so far. 1037790;1425198547;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yup. which is why i had a vague positive idea about it. never bothered looking. 1037791;1425198555;mircea_popescu;but now that i did look, it seems clearly that the thing works. 1037792;1425198565;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: this is not the war you grew up idolizing. it's war, which means it's going to be horrible and unpleasant for all involved. 1037793;1425198568;asciilifeform;it has same problem as the aids test 1037794;1425198570;mircea_popescu;MUCH better than the buffett out. "i leave my money to bil lgates" 1037795;1425198581;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it's got death, no ? 1037796;1425198589;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'sexy' or not 1037797;1425198596;ben_vulpes;so you claim. 1037798;1425198610;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes btw, daniela rus should be right up your alley. 1037799;1425198620;asciilifeform;same problem as aids test meaning here, that i'm much more interested in the folks left bugling in the dark 1037800;1425198620;mircea_popescu;self reconfigurin robots etc 1037801;1425198635;asciilifeform;and i use extant academia as an antiwot 1037802;1425198656;asciilifeform;i.e. if you can get printed there, you're suspect 1037803;1425198672;asciilifeform;(at the very minimum - of being a snore) 1037804;1425198675;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'm actually pretty disgusted with "modern" "robotics" 1037805;1425198680;asciilifeform;^ 1037806;1425198682;gabriel_laddel;^^ 1037807;1425198695;ben_vulpes;a) it's all usg "tin woman" crap 1037808;1425198699;mircea_popescu;mebbe look into this one ? 1037809;1425198712;ben_vulpes;i'll *keep* looking 1037810;1425198725;ben_vulpes;cursory inspection reveals nothing interesting. 1037811;1425198728;asciilifeform;wake me up when a roboticists asks me for the waveguide motor 1037812;1425198736;ben_vulpes;i'm more interested in underactuated systems. 1037813;1425198750;ben_vulpes;map servers and massively parallel SLAM 1037814;1425198757;asciilifeform;y'know, the one where you can have arbitrary jointless articulation without precision parts, lubrication, or freely moving parts at all 1037815;1425198768;asciilifeform;for the cost of a length of copper cable. 1037816;1425198771;mircea_popescu;afaik the woman's idea was "hey, what if we made robots capable of altering their own geometry, that way they won't have to be pre-programmed" 1037817;1425198775;mircea_popescu;which is a golden thought. 1037818;1425198785;asciilifeform;when somebody so much as asks, i'll believe there's life in 'robotics'; 1037819;1425198785;ben_vulpes;you still have to program the meta layer. 1037820;1425198794;asciilifeform;until then it's makework 1037821;1425198800;asciilifeform;and cargokultism 1037822;1425198830;asciilifeform;(yes i can buy a 4-axis arm from fujitsu, and it'll do same thing as in 1969, whoopie) 1037823;1425198831;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes or make more of them 1037824;1425198855;gabriel_laddel;^ ascii, I've mentioned this idea to 3 people - all reject it on grounds of "it can't be that easy, my school had all sorts people working on these problems and they never thought of it" 1037825;1425198860;gabriel_laddel;none took the time to test it out 1037826;1425198862;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: doing any of it with mechanical articulation is a sad joke 1037827;1425198893;ben_vulpes;especially and in particular the underwater stuff. 1037828;1425198898;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think what was being contemplated was more akin to a synthetic amoeba than a mechanical sheep. 1037829;1425198922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik the only place the required - non-negotiably - tech exists - is in my skullcase. 1037830;1425198932;*;asciilifeform did look 1037831;1425198936;mircea_popescu;so how would they ask ? 1037832;1425198943;asciilifeform;because i spilled it here, for one thing 1037833;1425198949;mircea_popescu;may take a decade. 1037834;1425198954;ben_vulpes;as a guy who's cobbled together the odd machine or two, the notion that you can have a million little bits cooperating to give you the power of a purpose-designed driveshaft one moment and slither through a keyhole the next strikes me as wankery of the first degree. 1037835;1425198961;asciilifeform;for another, spilled to various folks in periphery of academwot 1037836;1425198976;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well, "cooperating". 1037837;1425198979;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what's your finger made of ? 1037838;1425198994;ben_vulpes;purpose built mechanisms. 1037839;1425198998;mircea_popescu;"if you're willing to pay for ten million of these, i can prove to you that in any conceivable situation no less than 3 will be useful to your purpose" 1037840;1425199010;ben_vulpes;several joints, some tension mechanisms and some springs. 1037841;1425199013;mircea_popescu;and good math to show it, too 1037842;1425199039;ben_vulpes;grey goo pipe dreams. 1037843;1425199046;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is a great convo but bed's better, so! tomorrow. 1037844;1425199052;asciilifeform;nightie 1037845;1425199056;ben_vulpes;we don't even have computers that cooperate. 1037846;1425199069;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: basic idea, if you recall, was same as in ordinary ac motor 1037847;1425199074;asciilifeform;that is, rotating field. 1037848;1425199109;asciilifeform;except you don't have a rotor or stator as such, they're dynamically 'moving' via phase shifting 1037849;1425199180;asciilifeform;this should be enough for chinese or north kr skunk works to build it. 1037850;1425199183;asciilifeform;and i sincerely hope they do. 1037851;1425199193;asciilifeform;perhaps same division that built al's thing. 1037852;1425199228;ben_vulpes;superimposed waves traveling through wire applying force at arbitrary points? 1037853;1425199236;asciilifeform;aha 1037854;1425199240;asciilifeform;work it out yourself if you like 1037855;1425199247;ben_vulpes;what's to work out? 1037856;1425199251;asciilifeform;the details 1037857;1425199257;asciilifeform;the ones where 'the devil lives' 1037858;1425199276;asciilifeform;realize, it flexes 1037859;1425199279;asciilifeform;(that being the point) 1037860;1425199285;asciilifeform;so geometry is not static 1037861;1425199290;ben_vulpes;right, there's a recursive aspect to the problem. 1037862;1425199297;asciilifeform;only reason tesla didn't build it 1037863;1425199300;asciilifeform;didn't have a pc 1037864;1425199313;asciilifeform;otherwise all of the parts were available to him 1037865;1425199320;ben_vulpes;aside from the sims. 1037866;1425199349;asciilifeform;(no, this is not in his materials, don't bother looking, merely pointing out that the fella who discovered rotating magnetic field application could have made the next step and went here) 1037867;1425199385;ben_vulpes;this brings back my hankering for real time optimization problems. 1037868;1425199423;asciilifeform;i have a friend whom i see very rarely, and often asks about 'the elephant trunk' 1037869;1425199440;asciilifeform;and i say to him 'no, and probably never, need 1+ yr when i don't have to think about work even once; 1037870;1425199442;asciilifeform;' 1037871;1425199477;ben_vulpes;ugh this conversation makes me downright mournful 1037872;1425199480;asciilifeform;the cockroaches take over - they will build. 1037873;1425199489;ben_vulpes;morose* 1037874;1425199494;ben_vulpes;do you know what i'm doing right now? 1037875;1425199498;asciilifeform;drink? 1037876;1425199514;ben_vulpes;loading the "rails" stack into my head. 1037877;1425199530;ben_vulpes;and yes - drinking. albeit lightly. 1037878;1425199547;*;asciilifeform doesn't know precisely what is involved, but imagines that it's a rather dreary thing 1037879;1425199642;ben_vulpes;i would rather be working on satoshi c++. 1037880;1425199654;ben_vulpes;at least that bends somewhat to grep. 1037881;1425199712;asciilifeform;and... whatever that was.. doesn't ? 1037882;1425199715;asciilifeform;closed turd? 1037883;1425199752;*;asciilifeform to bed 1037884;1425200010;ben_vulpes;not...readily. 1037885;1425200021;ben_vulpes;i must learn more incantations, apparently. 1037886;1425201019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16389 @ 0.00040823 = 6.6905 BTC [-] {2} 1037887;1425201080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58718 @ 0.00038879 = 22.829 BTC [-] {2} 1037888;1425202107;gabriel_laddel;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Frondizi_y_Kennedy_en_Estados_Unidos_1961.jpg 1037889;1425202108;assbot;File:Frondizi y Kennedy en Estados Unidos 1961.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BO6Uhr ) 1037890;1425202122;gabriel_laddel;they look like trustworthy fellows 1037891;1425202483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00038818 = 9.4328 BTC [-] 1037892;1425206448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79150 @ 0.00040432 = 32.0019 BTC [+] {2} 1037893;1425206509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.0004118 = 14.9072 BTC [+] 1037894;1425206570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.0004118 = 14.9072 BTC [+] 1037895;1425206631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6344 @ 0.0004136 = 2.6239 BTC [+] 1037896;1425213097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00039253 = 12.3254 BTC [-] 1037897;1425213219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00041375 = 16.881 BTC [+] {2} 1037898;1425215232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22847 @ 0.00039253 = 8.9681 BTC [-] 1037899;1425215293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23553 @ 0.00039181 = 9.2283 BTC [-] 1037900;1425218709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100328 @ 0.00041223 = 41.3582 BTC [+] {2} 1037901;1425218770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74453 @ 0.0004198 = 31.2554 BTC [+] {2} 1037902;1425218854;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1037903;1425218857;gribble;Current Blocks: 345698 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1053 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 45 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47431145154.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.59961 1037904;1425219075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2747 @ 0.00039181 = 1.0763 BTC [-] 1037905;1425219136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38353 @ 0.00038818 = 14.8879 BTC [-] 1037906;1425219394;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: the 'adults' are not going to be happy about you writing a program that converts all books in libgen.info + all papers you can get of school networks into a useful format via a combination of OCR and heuristic hackery << Plain OCR is normally sufficient for books without advanced mathematics as long as you are willing to liberate the pages from the spine. Test it with a sheetfed scanner sometime. 1037907;1425222345;fluffypony;http://aadrake.com/command-line-tools-can-be-235x-faster-than-your-hadoop-cluster.html 1037908;1425222346;assbot;Adam Drake ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAlWFK ) 1037909;1425224759;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: That is a great experiment. The PGN format is maximally user and machine readable. Amazing how the blockchain makes some stuff people try to pass as "big data" seem much smaller. 1037910;1425224759;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1037911;1425224978;punkman;blockchain is not big data, not yet at least 1037912;1425225030;punkman;everyone's wants to work on "big" data now, you use enough buzzwords you get a raise 1037913;1425225043;fluffypony;yeah Hadoop != blockchain 1037914;1425225056;BingoBoingo;punkman: Blockchain's awfully dense. 1037915;1425225073;fluffypony;Hadoop doesn't have anything remotely resembling a blockchain 1037916;1425225097;punkman;why would it 1037917;1425225116;BingoBoingo;I dunno that hadoop does anything that can't be doen better with key value stores 1037918;1425225116;fluffypony;it's also exceptionally powerful for analysing very large datasets 1037919;1425225126;fluffypony;like in the multi-terabyte or multi-petabyte range 1037920;1425225135;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: it *is* a key-value store 1037921;1425225164;fluffypony;what it does better is that each piece of data is stored on at least 3 servers in the cluster 1037922;1425225170;fluffypony;and then queries are distributed 1037923;1425225197;fluffypony;so map->reduce works by sending the queries out to all the servers, they do the analysis, reduce it, and send the results back 1037924;1425225216;fluffypony;and then all you're doing is re-assembling the small set of results you get and doing any final analysis on it 1037925;1425225223;BingoBoingo;It sounds like if hadoop appears to solve a problem, then you have a number of other problems 1037926;1425225274;punkman;well it's Java, so you are fucked 1037927;1425225399;fluffypony;why? it's not accessible on the open Internet 1037928;1425225414;punkman;because enterprise 1037929;1425225542;punkman;maybe I've never seen the good Java 1037930;1425225552;punkman;probably because it's buried in 132 subfolders :P 1037931;1425225773;punkman;fluffypony: why? it's not accessible on the open Internet << or is it... https://www.shodan.io/search?query=hadoop 1037932;1425225776;assbot;hadoop - Shodan Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1E66QIB ) 1037933;1425225873;fluffypony;badly configured anything is bad :-P 1037934;1425226161;punkman;http://qntra.net/2015/02/tour-of-a-chinese-bitcoin-mine/ << so I tried this Path of Exile game mentioned in the article 1037935;1425226161;assbot;Tour Of A Chinese Bitcoin Mine | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E68nyk ) 1037936;1425226170;punkman;weird economy 1037937;1425226456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33538 @ 0.00038826 = 13.0215 BTC [+] 1037938;1425228692;BingoBoingo;!up AdrianoOliveira 1037939;1425228726;AdrianoOliveira;thanks 1037940;1425229076;jurov;http://oglaf.com/virgincobbler 1037941;1425229077;assbot;The Virgin Cobbler ... ( http://bit.ly/1aHnkwi ) 1037942;1425229406;BingoBoingo;Ah jurov you found that oglaf before the bot could 1037943;1425229679;jurov;by force of procrastination! 1037944;1425230131;jurov;http://hpmor.com/chapter/113 lol yudkowski threatening the readers by "Otherwise you will get a shorter and sadder ending." 1037945;1425230132;assbot;Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, Chapter 113: Final Exam ... ( http://bit.ly/1aHrOmp ) 1037946;1425230167;jurov;gotta start the monthly stuff now 1037947;1425231081;BingoBoingo;lol 1037948;1425231214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.00040201 = 16.6432 BTC [+] 1037949;1425231922;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: and what IS burning man but fuck club ? << not entirely this is about 1/3 of it. Another 1/3 is "Holy shit I'm on so many drugs what's even going on, how do I survive, OMG this is so fucking awesome I wanna run around and do nothing cause I have no obligations or worries at the moment." Another 1/3 is "Holy fuck that giant thing is burning holy fuck holy fuck that is fucking awesome." IMO Burns are probably the 1037950;1425232080;thestringpuller;probably not your cup of tea because it is an implementation of "communitas" or rather an existential communitas as Victor Turner explains. 1037951;1425232392;thestringpuller;http://democracyos.org/ << um why? 1037952;1425232438;thestringpuller;"With 2 million+ citizens, Buenos Aires is one of the most demanding cities in the world. All 16 political groups in power helped to make it the first one in Latin America to let its citizens have direct input on its bills." Uh huh. 1037953;1425232513;asciilifeform;fuck - with the thickest stake in the wallachian forests - the people who brand every idiot ubuntu rebrand as an 'os' 1037954;1425232569;thestringpuller;Looks like the founder is HQ'ed in B-A 1037955;1425233244;punkman;asciilifeform: it's a web thingy, not ubuntu 1037956;1425233263;asciilifeform;punkman: even worse 1037957;1425233402;punkman;basically forum software 1037958;1425233424;punkman;totally gonna work "With a clear deadline, get everyone on board to reach a voted decision and say good bye to all the bikeshedding." 1037959;1425233443;thestringpuller;punkman: i think democracy and cryptofeudalism are incompatible 1037960;1425233491;punkman;oh it has a blockchain too "Trust is deeply built into DemocracyOS using decentralized authority to certify every single decision made." 1037961;1425233561;punkman;"But aware that in politics not everything happens online, we also created a new kind of political party: The Net Party. Its candidates are committed to always vote in Congress according to what citizens vote online." 1037962;1425233612;*;asciilifeform head-desks 1037963;1425233632;punkman;"The foundational document of The Net Party is its manifesto. Written in a collaborative process by the founding members, it consists of 60 expressions in tweet form so it can be easily shared in any kind of network. It expresses our deepest beliefs on how democracy and the net can help improve our institutions." 1037964;1425233648;punkman;"The Net Party got 22.000 votes (1.2%) in its 1st election in Buenos Aires, October 2013." 1037965;1425233661;punkman;myeah 1037966;1425233774;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: it's okay. it's not your fault. 1037967;1425233779;asciilifeform;lol, virtually undisguised usg muppetronics 1037968;1425233814;thestringpuller;but everyone loves Chuck E Cheese and Disneyland!!! 1037969;1425233903;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-02-2015#1033086 "the administration is boosting efforts to counter ISIS on social media. The plan centers around a small State Department agency that pushes against ISIS and other groups' online propaganda." 1037970;1425233903;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 10:37:23; punkman: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/17/state-department-spokeswoman-floats-jobs-as-answer-to-isis/ 1037971;1425233916;punkman;""We're getting beaten on volume, so the only way to compete is by aggregating, curating and amplifying existing content," Richard Stengel, under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs" 1037972;1425233934;asciilifeform;spam like a pro, usg. 1037973;1425233988;thestringpuller;good afternoon mr. popescu 1037974;1425233992;mircea_popescu;hey 1037975;1425234004;thestringpuller;how are you? 1037976;1425234033;mircea_popescu;not bad. 1037977;1425234170;asciilifeform;http://www.laverdad.es/gente-estilo/201502/16/detienen-mujer-masturbarse-cine-20150216133322.html 1037978;1425234172;assbot;Detienen a una mujer por masturbarse en el cine con 50 sombras de Grey . La Verdad ... ( http://bit.ly/1zvBgOt ) 1037979;1425234240;mircea_popescu;pr piece. 1037980;1425234248;asciilifeform;^ was my guess 1037981;1425234271;mircea_popescu;so fucking transparent by now. you seen the buzzfeed "great idea" ? 1037982;1425234272;asciilifeform;surprising that this isn't a more common tack for these 1037983;1425234287;asciilifeform;"great idea" << nope 1037984;1425234314;mircea_popescu;they created permanent sessions for users, showed some a dress like so, others a dress like something else 1037985;1425234329;mircea_popescu;then idiot usians had debates about the true dress and the biological causes of not seeing it right 1037986;1425234340;mircea_popescu;because they're, by now, this fucking stupid. 1037987;1425234388;mircea_popescu;i could scarcely conceive of an experiment to more convincingly verify the "our audience is entirely worthless" theory. it's verified alright. 1037988;1425234392;asciilifeform;wai wat 1037989;1425234422;mircea_popescu;http://www.europapress.es/desconecta/curiosity/noticia-explicacion-vestido-cambia-color-genera-mas-27-millones-visitas-20150227184200.html 1037990;1425234423;assbot;The Dress: La explicación del vestido que cambia de color genera más de 27 millones de visitas ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKWJYO ) 1037991;1425234428;mircea_popescu;there, to keep to the es theme. 1037992;1425234606;mircea_popescu;!up lrak 1037993;1425234621;mircea_popescu;!up mogreen 1037994;1425234634;mircea_popescu;!up nijotz 1037995;1425234660;mircea_popescu;!up so 1037996;1425234666;mircea_popescu;!up Stellarflip 1037997;1425234681;mircea_popescu;!up tsoulus 1037998;1425234694;mircea_popescu;!up yrashk 1037999;1425234827;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabriel_laddel argentina has a fixation on electing newspaper men. mitre, frondizi, etc. 1038000;1425234827;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1038001;1425234996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.0003877 = 10.7781 BTC [-] {2} 1038002;1425234998;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037936 << i played it maybe two years ago, was a decent diablo clone. 1038003;1425234998;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 16:09:30; punkman: weird economy 1038004;1425235032;punkman;the crafting's kinda fun 1038005;1425235159;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037942 << i found one before too! your bot's like broken. 1038006;1425235159;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 17:03:26; BingoBoingo: Ah jurov you found that oglaf before the bot could 1038007;1425235192;BingoBoingo;!s from: oglafbot 1038008;1425235193;assbot;0 results for 'from: oglafbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3A+oglafbot 1038009;1425235219;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-03-2015#1036688 1038010;1425235219;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 01:32:37; mircea_popescu: @ BingoBoingo : http://oglaf.com/rally/ 1038011;1425235492;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo i think you need to cut the space there 1038012;1425235510;BingoBoingo;!s from:oglafbot 1038013;1425235511;assbot;28 results for 'from:oglafbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aoglafbot 1038014;1425235526;BingoBoingo;ty kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-02-2015#1029530 1038015;1425235526;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2015 00:47:56; oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/rally/ 1038016;1425235606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65247 @ 0.00038578 = 25.171 BTC [-] 1038017;1425236216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.0003848 = 13.2179 BTC [-] {3} 1038018;1425236241;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037950 << it's just "poor kids in college". roughly speaking salmon to the bear. 1038019;1425236241;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 17:48:00; thestringpuller: probably not your cup of tea because it is an implementation of "communitas" or rather an existential communitas as Victor Turner explains. 1038020;1425236313;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037958 i don't even want to get into a discussion of how barbarously stupid they are. 1038021;1425236313;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 18:10:24; punkman: totally gonna work "With a clear deadline, get everyone on board to reach a voted decision and say good bye to all the bikeshedding." 1038022;1425236420;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037971 << "i have an idea... let's pay isis people to tweet anti-isis messages instead of beheading our guys. a) it worked for the idiot usians and b) it's easier to do, right ? which is what the consumers have come to expect" 1038023;1425236420;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 18:18:36; punkman: ""We're getting beaten on volume, so the only way to compete is by aggregating, curating and amplifying existing content," Richard Stengel, under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs" 1038024;1425236441;mircea_popescu;this is pretty much the entire story of the us : let's pay everyone pretend money so they pretend we're important enough to invent money. 1038025;1425236467;mircea_popescu;approximately the life plan of a sexually worthless, narcissistically superlative 15 yo priss. 1038026;1425236873;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "pay everyone pretend money" << reminds me of http://americandad.wikia.com/wiki/Red_October_Sky from american dad 1038027;1425236939;thestringpuller;"When Francine tells Stan she wishes he hadn't spent all their savings, he says he needed to spend money to make money. Francine then says that Stan didn't make any money, which Stan says implies that he didn't spend any money either" 1038028;1425237062;mircea_popescu;o.O 1038029;1425237091;mircea_popescu;what's this, the simpsons theatrical release ? 1038030;1425237151;thestringpuller;nah it's seth mcfarlane trolling amercians cause they're too dumb to realize what's really going on 1038031;1425237923;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's a spin off of a spin off of a spin off, because when people develop a taste for a particular shit, why not enlist more orfices to produce it 1038032;1425237937;mircea_popescu;mhm 1038033;1425237951;mircea_popescu;for the record, i just started writing a solution to that harry potter thing. 1038034;1425237963;asciilifeform;solution? 1038035;1425237965;mircea_popescu;i never read the damned books, but the challenge is interesting. 1038036;1425237970;mircea_popescu;should be done in an hour. 1038037;1425238687;BingoBoingo;http://hpmor.com/chapter/4 << Monetary system 1038038;1425238688;assbot;Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, Chapter 4: The Efficient Market Hypothesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1aI0nsQ ) 1038039;1425238717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104700 @ 0.00038341 = 40.143 BTC [-] 1038040;1425239244;mircea_popescu;. 1038041;1425239543;mircea_popescu;jurov http://trilema.com/2015/the-harry-potter-challenge/ 1038042;1425239544;assbot;The Harry Potter challenge pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aI3CjT ) 1038043;1425239714;jurov;orly 1038044;1425239750;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1038045;1425239875;jurov;it's good. But not clear if voldemort going completely insane implies "allow Harry to evade immediate death" 1038046;1425239892;mircea_popescu;he crushed the situation. 1038047;1425239896;mircea_popescu;it never happened. 1038048;1425240017;mircea_popescu;anyway, some comments in the general, for the aspiring writer : a) the most important weapon in the quiver of the scammer, which is what all fiction is, is misdirection. you were being misdirected into thinking harry potter should have agency by all the insistence on how he doesn't. (look up chekov's gun, while at it). the correct solution of a problem of agency is to attack the agent. 1038049;1425240022;mircea_popescu;which is why it took me twenny minutes. 1038050;1425240050;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: related field - stage magic 1038051;1425240053;mircea_popescu;b) agency means growth. you can recast any actual situation into something that's a personal experience, and vice-versa. this is a major power. 1038052;1425240056;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite. 1038053;1425240075;asciilifeform;unrelated, and for aficionados only: re: the old 'integrated circuits by hand' thread: http://www.155la3.ru/k240.htm 1038054;1425240077;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dr4wYQ ) 1038055;1425240079;mircea_popescu;voldemort jacking off by himself to visions of a destroyed enemy is not unlike harry potter "studying magic really hard". 1038056;1425240098;asciilifeform;pictured device is a half-adder 1038057;1425240206;asciilifeform;when i was a boy, these were being sold, laid on carpets in the town market, right next to rabbits and dogs 1038058;1425240236;mircea_popescu;i saw that kinda flea market 1038059;1425240255;asciilifeform;for some reason the theft of several examples of these curios by usg from sunken submarine is still considered a deep secret in usa 1038060;1425240294;asciilifeform;(ru sub, howard hughes and his record-breaking salvage boat, famous project) 1038061;1425240448;asciilifeform;if one were to read the data sheet (scan, http://www.155la3.ru/datafiles/2lb402_tu_1975.pdf ) will find that it had around 50-60 nSec propagation delay. which is pretty good for the period 1038062;1425240450;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aI7oK4 ) 1038063;1425240512;asciilifeform;i should like to learn how these were assembled. 1038064;1425240521;asciilifeform;one can safely guess that it was pants-creamingly cheap 1038065;1425240538;asciilifeform;compared to american ic of the modern type, of that period 1038066;1425240564;asciilifeform;also notice the em cage around the package. 1038067;1425240609;asciilifeform;correction: first device pictured is a timer. second - half adder 1038068;1425240633;asciilifeform;or rather, eight half-adders 1038069;1425240669;thestringpuller;Full adders are cooler than half adders 1038070;1425240680;thestringpuller;need dat carry bit all day erryday negro 1038071;1425240704;asciilifeform;the timer appears, on cursory reading, to be a clone of the universally known '555' 1038072;1425240729;asciilifeform;but contains six of'em 1038073;1425240761;asciilifeform;anyway, posted here solely for the photos of 'what if we just had very small transistors and planted them down on very fine pcb' 1038074;1425240770;asciilifeform;discussed in last week's thread. 1038075;1425240871;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you don't like IC's? 1038076;1425240906;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: thread was re: whether and how one could build a reasonable computer without access to ic fab or the output of one 1038077;1425240927;asciilifeform;that is to say, with the ability to arrange arbitrary logical elements 1038078;1425240929;thestringpuller;ah yes. log reference or search keyword? 1038079;1425240944;thestringpuller;i have pondered the same thing myself 1038080;1425240959;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2015#1022401 1038081;1425240959;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2015 18:03:08; asciilifeform: it does no good to take extant ic fab practice and work 'down' 1038082;1425240974;asciilifeform;(thread above and below link) 1038083;1425241029;thestringpuller;I do wonder if we'll ever be able to print IC's without being millionaires or wholesalers. 1038084;1425241044;thestringpuller;wholesellers* 1038085;1425241103;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if interested in this subject, read - at least that - thread 1038086;1425241325;mircea_popescu;jurov what is this anyway ? i thought some woman wrote harry potter ? 1038087;1425241333;mircea_popescu;who's yakudskty 1038088;1425241340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26323 @ 0.00040124 = 10.5618 BTC [+] 1038089;1425241342;jurov;!s eliezer 1038090;1425241342;assbot;4 results for 'eliezer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eliezer 1038091;1425241362;asciilifeform;!s yudkowsky 1038092;1425241363;assbot;18 results for 'yudkowsky' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=yudkowsky 1038093;1425241366;jurov;and yes, j.k. rowling aoriginally wrote it 1038094;1425241381;asciilifeform;we did yudkowsky here at least five times, iirc 1038095;1425241400;jurov;but herr yudkowsky was apparently upset at harry's stupidity and wrote a fanfic 1038096;1425241404;mircea_popescu;i dun get it. 1038097;1425241415;mircea_popescu;oh oh i c. 1038098;1425241416;asciilifeform;jurov: nope. he wrote it as a propaganda device for his cult 1038099;1425241419;asciilifeform;and it works 1038100;1425241425;jurov;ah, that too 1038101;1425241438;mircea_popescu;so ima have two things out of this. first an arguent with alf, then once laddel and the rest of the proponents of "intelligence" wake up, ima have one with them. 1038102;1425241463;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1022584 << So what is the "value" of interns? 1038103;1425241464;mircea_popescu;so asciilifeform, do you see how the situation here maps exactly on the uncle al and the magical molecule situation ? 1038104;1425241496;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i read the foibles of al slightly differently. more as a failure to intellectually detach from usg 1038105;1425241501;asciilifeform;because, in his mind, there is no place to go 1038106;1425241513;mircea_popescu;but have i just forked "the world" ? 1038107;1425241529;mircea_popescu;i have no guarantee that this goes into the... canon, or w/e, fanon-type-45345 1038108;1425241589;asciilifeform;the way al saw his situation, there are precisely two choices for him - usg and its apparatchiks, and the world of unfiltered and unfundable idiot alchemists, astrologers, 'phree energy' imbeciles, and other usenet denizens which he spent all of the '90s recreationally hunting for sport 1038109;1425241618;mircea_popescu;right. and here the same : paste your text as a "review", or publish it on your blog. 1038110;1425241621;asciilifeform;these figures living, as they do, in 'forked worlds' 1038111;1425241624;mircea_popescu;like you know, all the other blogs. 1038112;1425241626;mircea_popescu;except... not. 1038113;1425241627;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1038114;1425241637;asciilifeform;he did publish on his www 1038115;1425241643;mircea_popescu;in this perspective, al's lament reduces to tim sweeney's lament. "oh woe that not being in the wot my ideas hold no value" 1038116;1425241648;asciilifeform;the thing's been there since mid '90s 1038117;1425241654;mircea_popescu;well... stfu and get in the wot. nobody, NOBODY is above the intern work for a year. 1038118;1425241665;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not how this works. 1038119;1425241675;mircea_popescu;the equivalent of "story published on blog" is "50k calorimetry assay" 1038120;1425241678;asciilifeform;he wants to be in the wot of the folks with the machine 1038121;1425241679;mircea_popescu;not "also published on blog" 1038122;1425241681;asciilifeform;the bloody machine 1038123;1425241683;asciilifeform;not ours. 1038124;1425241687;mircea_popescu;fuck him. it's not about what he wants. 1038125;1425241689;mircea_popescu;he does not want, he does. 1038126;1425241695;mircea_popescu;this is the cornerstone. 1038127;1425241707;mircea_popescu;people have to fucking realise, for once in their life, that a_) fuck them and b) it's not about what they want. 1038128;1425241717;asciilifeform;incidentally, upon rereading last night's log, i must publish a correction 1038129;1425241728;asciilifeform;i did emphatically did -not- invent or design the calorimetric test 1038130;1425241739;asciilifeform;but rather the feedstock for the spectroscopic test. 1038131;1425241746;asciilifeform;of similar difficulty and expense 1038132;1425241747;mircea_popescu;aha 1038133;1425241840;mircea_popescu;but back to the story : if your call on the y fellow is correct, he makes for an absoluely perfect model of "chemistry usg". 1038134;1425241847;asciilifeform;idea being, 'me: if gravity has chiral component, consider two propellers glued back to back as 'barbell'. ought to rotate in a particular direction depending on orientation. align using electromagnetic means, infer angular momenta' al: 'here's how' 1038135;1425241866;asciilifeform;*molecular 'propellers' that is 1038136;1425241872;asciilifeform;not, of course, macroscopic ones 1038137;1425241908;asciilifeform;'barbell' rotates if propellers face in same dir 1038138;1425241918;chetty;http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530102.600-google-wants-to-rank-websites-based-on-facts-not-links.html#.VPN2taxx0xD 1038139;1425241920;assbot;Google wants to rank websites based on facts not links - 28 February 2015 - New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrcfGl ) 1038140;1425241924;asciilifeform;but if not - bond strain increases - which you can also measure 1038141;1425241938;asciilifeform;chetty: based on phacts 1038142;1425241949;mircea_popescu;chetty this has been going on for a while actually. 1038143;1425241990;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1022638 1038144;1425242003;thestringpuller;^- didn't he end up eating green eggs and ham at the end of the book? 1038145;1425242026;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://www-psych.nmsu.edu/~linda/greeneggs/gepage1.htm 1038146;1425242030;asciilifeform;^ l33t w4r3z 1038147;1425242060;asciilifeform;and, spoiler: sure he did 1038148;1425242074;chetty; chetty this has been going on for a while actually.//it just sounds worse when the internet is a public utility 1038149;1425242086;mircea_popescu;hehe 1038150;1425242108;mircea_popescu;but seriously, wikipedia is returned because "fact:wikipedia is what we promote" rather than any "algorithmics" 1038151;1425242135;mircea_popescu;and so are plenty of other things. the guardian and washpo and the rest of the buzzfeed carrion crawlers aren't up there because they favorably compete with qntra on some sort of machine basis 1038152;1425242138;mircea_popescu;they're just "facts". 1038153;1425242157;mircea_popescu;and once i get my hands around their throats, the "facts" will be slightly divers. 1038154;1425242804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 25000 @ 0.000065 = 1.625 BTC [-] 1038155;1425242897;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://portal.tpu.ru/files/departments/publish/VK_AkylovBaydakovVasiliev.pdf << even if you don't know ru, you may find this interesting for the diagrams. use and engineering manual to famous ru 'igla' ('needle') rocket. 1038156;1425242910;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak-wzUv_FvY 1038157;1425242911;assbot;Physical Examination of the Vulva, Vagina and Cervix in the Mare - Towcester Equine Clinic - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Drgyl5 ) 1038158;1425242913;asciilifeform;afaik no analogous american document exists in open literature 1038159;1425243124;cazalla;punkman: re: path of exile, i like that the economy is based around orbs (at least it was when i was playing) but i quit after my hardcore char died in lower 90s 1038160;1425243207;cazalla;for anyone that has not played it, orbs act a little similar to soj economy, but unlike d2, poe did away with gold drops and crap like that, pure barter system 1038161;1425243384;thestringpuller;the soj economy was rigged! 1038162;1425243390;thestringpuller;cazalla: was a dooper 1038163;1425243393;thestringpuller;!!!!! 1038164;1425243393;thestringpuller;jkjk 1038165;1425243419;thestringpuller;but srsly soj economy was so annoying. the rune economy was a bit better 1038166;1425243475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00040124 = 1.0031 BTC [+] 1038167;1425243482;cazalla;i didn't play much lod which from memory brought runes 1038168;1425243505;cazalla;i tried to sell orbs for btc in poe 2 years ago but noone had heard of bitcoin except 1 guy 1038169;1425243593;thestringpuller;baal runs made it easy to get that XP 1038170;1425243599;thestringpuller;just sit in corner level up 1038171;1425243606;thestringpuller;then go magic find on meph runs 1038172;1425243614;thestringpuller;LoD was dope 1038173;1425243828;cazalla;thestringpuller, poe map runs > baal runs 1038174;1425243852;cazalla;it's one thing they did really well but i think poe made it more noob friendly 1038175;1425243866;thestringpuller;D2 was kinda like crack. You played it, didn't know why, and before you knew it you were hooked. 1038176;1425243939;cazalla;problem with playing D2 from australia was that you could still only get dialup and it was better to play on a fake battle.net hosted at your isp 1038177;1425244268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00039199 = 12.7397 BTC [-] 1038178;1425245019;mircea_popescu;"Background for non-transhumanists: 1038179;1425245019;mircea_popescu;Transhumanists are not fond of death. We would stop it if we could. To this end we support research that holds out hope of a future in which humanity has defeated death. Death is an extremely difficult technical problem, to be attacked with biotech and nanotech and other technological means. I do not tell a tale of the land called Future, nor state as a fact that humanity will someday be free of death - I have no magic 1038180;1425245019;mircea_popescu;al ability to see through time. But death is a great evil, and I will oppose it whenever I can. If I could create a world where people lived forever, or at the very least a few billion years, I would do so." 1038181;1425245021;mircea_popescu;lmao this fucktard. 1038182;1425245034;mircea_popescu;why are all these driven nuts so mentally simple anyway ? 1038183;1425245097;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's bait 1038184;1425245109;asciilifeform;he's no imbecile, but cynical bastard who knows exactly what he's doing 1038185;1425245118;mircea_popescu;if it is or if it isn't... 1038186;1425245123;asciilifeform;ancient device of immortality 'jam tomorrow' promise 1038187;1425245129;asciilifeform;reworked for homo redditicus 1038188;1425245130;mircea_popescu;so he's another modlbug. what difference does it make ? still simple. 1038189;1425245139;asciilifeform;simple bait, works. 1038190;1425245144;mircea_popescu;besides the point., 1038191;1425245165;mircea_popescu;"why are you spending your time with cockroaches ?" "i kill them" "yes. but you're still spending time with them." 1038192;1425245189;asciilifeform;^ life of programmers 1038193;1425245223;mircea_popescu;imagine the horror of this. "i invented a machine which lets you live on for a billion years, so you can write stupid shit so that stupid people keep on powering it" 1038194;1425245228;mircea_popescu;said every literary hack ever. 1038195;1425245303;mircea_popescu;anyway. if there's anyone who actually had the patience ot read all this stuff and wishes to proffer a summary please do. 1038196;1425245341;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-11-2014#927657 1038197;1425245341;assbot;Logged on 18-11-2014 15:38:39; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu with regard to the 'abuse of statistical devices' outlined in note iii, the accomplished master of the art is a fellow named yudkowsky (search #b-a log). he isn't an idiot, bastard knows exactly what he's doing, and his cult is a veritable vacuum trap for thinking folks 1038198;1425245355;mircea_popescu;i see the guy's been pouring out a coupla million words, which is more than moldbug, but i won't be bothering to actually read the shit, it's too stale. 1038199;1425245365;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1038200;1425245909;thestringpuller;CLOUD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk << at least I'm not him 1038201;1425246184;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "igla" << why must you torture me 1038202;1425246338;ben_vulpes;there's no reason why these things should cost $MAXINT, aside from the prohibition on owning the constituent materials for any not favorite son. 1038203;1425246348;ben_vulpes;ugh your paradigms are infectious. 1038204;1425246363;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: homo redditicus << can I use this in future qntra articles? 1038205;1425246544;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: IFF mechanism << another application for asymmetric crypto. 1038206;1425246684;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: gorgeous diagrams. thank you. 1038207;1425246861;thestringpuller;http://qntra.net/2015/03/man-who-establishes-bounty-to-replace-vessennes-bitcoin-foundation-on-board/ 1038208;1425248193;danielpbarron;!up indiancandy1 1038209;1425248221;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: you must be omnitwitteraware 1038210;1425248236;thestringpuller;second bb posted my article was downstaires getting moar beer 1038211;1425248247;thestringpuller;i see "You have 1 new twitter mention" on my phone 1038212;1425248248;thestringpuller;lolol 1038213;1425248267;*;danielpbarron shrugs 1038214;1425248315;indiancandy1;thanks daniel 1038215;1425248853;cazalla;oh.. no scoopbot :\ http://qntra.net/2015/03/silberts-bit-to-trade-on-pink-sheets/ 1038216;1425248853;assbot;Silbert's BIT To Trade On Pink Sheets | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0RMNn ) 1038217;1425249119;jurov;btw have you seen the "nyse to invest to CBSE" tidbit? 1038218;1425249163;jurov;http://www.pymnts.com/news/2015/nyse-usaa-and-bbva-make-75m-coinbase-investment/ 1038219;1425249164;assbot;NYSE, USAA and BBVA Make $75M Coinbase Investment | PYMNTS.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0S1I6 ) 1038220;1425249245;jurov;!t m d.cbse 1038221;1425249246;assbot;You had the last Philistine. This one's mine. 1038222;1425249317;jurov;lol, assbot ate it 1038223;1425249384;jurov;The total raised by Coinbase has now hit $106 million. Coinbase, a San Francisco-based company reports that there are 2.1 million bitcoin wallets from a customer base of 1.9 million 1038224;1425249398;jurov;;;calc 106/1.9 1038225;1425249398;gribble;55.7894736842 1038226;1425249403;jurov;^ per chump 1038227;1425249460;indiancandy1;oi 1038228;1425249475;cazalla;jurov, yeah that's old news now 1038229;1425249489;jurov;haven't seen it discussed here 1038230;1425249507;jurov;maybe i miss something but D.CBSE looks attractive 1038231;1425249548;cazalla;i think BingoBoingo wrote that up if memory serves 1038232;1425249575;BingoBoingo;Old news, being repeated because google news sucks 1038233;1425249575;thestringpuller;jurov: attractive to short? 1038234;1425249622;jurov;you don't believe they can IPO it at > 46 million? 1038235;1425249632;jurov;that's what D.CBSE price implies 1038236;1425249721;thestringpuller;jurov: haven't they raised in the 100's of mn? 1038237;1425249739;jurov;yes 1038238;1425249774;thestringpuller;SF, prosperity built on fake money. 1038239;1425249797;jurov;so if they manage to IPO coinbase, it can raise so much, no? 1038240;1425249819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24666 @ 0.00039445 = 9.7295 BTC [+] {2} 1038241;1425249823;thestringpuller;they'd have to raise more than their "implied valuation" right? like 100 mn+ ? 1038242;1425249851;thestringpuller;so early investors can exit cleanly, aka the FB IPO scam. 1038243;1425249867;jurov;For D.CBSE long investment to be even, it needs "only" $46m IPO or buyout 1038244;1425249878;jurov;at current btcusd 1038245;1425249880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14984 @ 0.00040351 = 6.0462 BTC [+] {2} 1038246;1425249890;jurov;and i'm curious why mircea thinks that won't ever happen 1038247;1425249894;thestringpuller;risky cause who knows if they ever IPO... 1038248;1425249906;thestringpuller;or get bought out. 1038249;1425249945;jurov;imo they can't afford to wait either 1038250;1425249997;jurov;(they=the bezzle investors) 1038251;1425250043;thestringpuller;jurov: what if the bezzle investors don't care tho? 1038252;1425250070;thestringpuller;you do bring up good question tho: what is the bezzle investors endgame (or what they have in mind at least)? 1038253;1425250127;jurov;waterfall operators definitely care 1038254;1425250158;jurov;yes, maybe they want just to drive it to the ground 1038255;1425250229;jurov;i dunno, just asking. and don't want to tie more bitcoins for indeterminate time in D.CBSE, either. 1038256;1425250262;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1038257;1425250269;thestringpuller;if company is run into ruins (i.e. MtGox)...it is moot issue 1038258;1425250291;indiancandy1;hi mp 1038259;1425250353;mircea_popescu; you don't believe they can IPO it at > 46 million? << you realise this round was utterly dillutive right ? 1038260;1425250403;mircea_popescu;75mn with btc at 250 means 300k extra btc worth of shares. 1038261;1425250429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14539 @ 0.00038341 = 5.5744 BTC [-] 1038262;1425250502;jurov;yes, dilutive.. on other side, it increased the number of people interested to inflate it beyond all reason and then release it 1038263;1425250538;mircea_popescu;right. 1038264;1425250570;mircea_popescu;just because of btc/usd vagaries, the original investment (which happened at 1200) lost 85% of its value. 1038265;1425250677;mircea_popescu;<jurov> that's what D.CBSE price implies << actually, no, the price implies they can't sell for over 350k btc at the time they sell. 1038266;1425250706;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: gorgeous diagrams << that thing contains perhaps 80% of the info required to construct the rocket. 1038267;1425250752;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the algorithmics are not described in great detail, but the waveforms representing the proportional-control mechanism are shown, and at this point the 'multicopter' folks have rederived all of it and then some 1038268;1425250755;asciilifeform;very basic maths 1038269;1425250781;jurov;they can't sell for over 350k btc.. << or else? you'll keep selling as many D.CBSE as necessary? 1038270;1425250818;mircea_popescu;suppose in 2020 coinbase lists on nyse, 100mn shares, and they go for 50 bux each. that's 5 bn. 1038271;1425250857;mircea_popescu;suppose at the same time btc/usd trades for 18`560 1038272;1425250877;mircea_popescu;at that point, the coinbase listing has actually been a net loss for d.cbse holders. 1038273;1425251031;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: some of the more interesting stuff is in the text - e.g., description of the molten-electrolyte battery; the sensor cooling system; the guidance loop per se 1038274;1425251211;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'll add that the document is in fact a textbook for detachment commanders operating the rocket 1038275;1425251251;asciilifeform;published by tomsk politechnik university press 1038276;1425251415;asciilifeform;similar textbook for a cannon: http://portal.tpu.ru/files/departments/publish/VK_Machinko.pdf 1038277;1425251433;mircea_popescu;jurov as an example, if someone bought 100 shares on mpex today at the 0.239 price paying 23.9 btc, he would control (if memory serves) 1% of the 1% f.derp stake in the origial coinbase. that'd entitle him to 0.01% of the value of 50/350 parts in the coinbase ipo, which would come to 1038278;1425251434;mircea_popescu;;;calc 5000000000×50÷350×0.0001 1038279;1425251434;gribble;Error: invalid syntax (, line 1) 1038280;1425251443;mircea_popescu;;;calc 5000000000*50/350*0.0001 1038281;1425251443;gribble;71428.5714286 1038282;1425251476;mircea_popescu;71k usd is a great return for a 24 btc investment, 1038283;1425251477;asciilifeform;(yes, mircea_popescu would probably point out that it is not a cannon, but a heavy machine-gun.) 1038284;1425251485;mircea_popescu;provided coinbase goes to 5bn while btc stays under 1038285;1425251502;mircea_popescu;;;calc 71428.5714286 / 23.9 1038286;1425251502;gribble;2988.64315601 1038287;1425251560;mircea_popescu;otherwise, if coinbase opens for a mkt cap of 250mn in two years (accounting for inflation, basically)... 1038288;1425251722;mircea_popescu;anyway, the utter chilling of d.* trade past while shows kinda plainly where that ship's going, imo. 1038289;1425251756;jurov;i see 1038290;1425251883;mircea_popescu;obv this is just napkin calcs, a definitive version'd come out once that unicorn stomps its foot. 1038291;1425252132;mircea_popescu;https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << remarkably unsticky, dat social media "traffic" 1038292;1425252134;assbot; Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1z30vvN ) 1038293;1425252259;jurov;oh and thx for shedding the light on d.cbse 1038294;1425252384;mircea_popescu;(and all this neglecting their previous round, http://recode.net/2014/11/14/bitcoin-company-coinbase-raising-new-investment-at-400-million-valuation/ ) 1038295;1425252385;assbot;Bitcoin Company Coinbase Raising New Investment at $400 Million Valuation | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZ4Wap ) 1038296;1425252438;mircea_popescu;basically, they're trying for a usg mpex. which... hey, fine, have fun trying. 1038297;1425252465;cazalla;mircea_popescu, yeah i think it was bb that said we'd be lucky to turn 1% of it into reg readers 1038298;1425252467;jurov;!t m f.mpif 1038299;1425252467;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (1000 shares, 0.21 BTC), 7D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (1000 shares, 0.21 BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020657 / 0.000207 (1750 shares, 0.36 BTC) 1038300;1425252541;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: they're trying for a usg mpex. << More like Reddit MPEX 1038301;1425252561;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller no. 1038302;1425252599;cazalla;i thought it was a cardinal sin for it to be called anything other than MPEx? :P 1038303;1425252625;thestringpuller;although coinbase is a part of the waterfall only derps utilize it. 1038304;1425252631;mircea_popescu;well, horowitz and the rest of the policy vehicles are on board, so. 1038305;1425252687;thestringpuller;this doesn't mean the customer base is anything other than homo redditicus 1038306;1425252722;thestringpuller;although MPex has it's idiots (see: http://trilema.com/2013/because-most-people-are-idiots-in-spite-of-never-manning-up-and-admitting-to-it/) don't think it's near the same percentages as coinbase users 1038307;1425252765;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why you imagine the userbase is important in this discussion. 1038308;1425252786;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://i.imgur.com/kqxF9Mo.jpg 1038309;1425252787;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZ665V ) 1038310;1425252916;mircea_popescu;and incidentally that must be a typo, 1.9mn users 2.1mn accounts. more like 190k. 1038311;1425252933;mircea_popescu;seems improbable even that many actually sent the ridoinculous "kyc" paperwork. 1038312;1425253175;mircea_popescu;cazalla the "usg mpex" comment was chiefly because there's no conceivable need a webwallet operator could have for even 1mn. 1038313;1425253188;mircea_popescu;somewhat mirroring the "mpex is worth a billion dollars ?!?!?!" thing. 1038314;1425253194;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i have nfi why you imagine the userbase is important << I don't but the inevitabilibty of such an endeavor (i.e. http://qntra.net/2015/02/us-political-crisis-may-impoverish-homeland-security-department/#comment-11399), doesn't seem like a good thing 1038315;1425253208;mircea_popescu;mebbe so. 1038316;1425253211;thestringpuller;particularly with "those people" involved 1038317;1425253230;mircea_popescu;im moreover curious if they're going to actually try and rescue the scam foundation or just make a new and "real" one. 1038318;1425253260;mircea_popescu;kinda win-win situation, if they try to rescue the scam foundation they will fail, if they don't you know we scare them. 1038319;1425253297;thestringpuller;what if they just let foundation die and then try again? 1038320;1425253308;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the only "people involved" by now are horowitz and the us fed. 1038321;1425253311;thestringpuller;there is no endgame for them launching a foundation. 1038322;1425253324;thestringpuller;or resucing existing one 1038323;1425253389;asciilifeform;if there's one thing we 'know' about the undead, it is that they can walk indefinitely until physically scattered 1038324;1425253395;asciilifeform;into smallish pieces 1038325;1425253413;asciilifeform;consider the 'silent circle' and 'redphone' crap by the subverted zimmerman 1038326;1425253432;asciilifeform;anal opening a mile wide is found? no matter, carries on exactly as before. 1038327;1425253434;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: we also know undead are more "effective" when there are lots of them. 1038328;1425253466;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 1038329;1425253466;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. 1038330;1425253469;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notice how none of the coverage included a "this C round utterly dilutes naive investors from the previous B and A rounds" 1038331;1425253482;mircea_popescu;heck, the B round's not even mentioned AT ALL. 1038332;1425253482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because that's SOP ! 1038333;1425253485;asciilifeform;also sop 1038334;1425253507;asciilifeform;that'd be like coverage of an assassination describing the exact mechanical workings of the rifle 1038335;1425253513;mircea_popescu;yeah well... 1038336;1425253521;asciilifeform;'and then the hammer hit the firing pin, and the...' 1038337;1425253556;mircea_popescu;so some derp on reddit wanted to know "why do we even want to kill banks then" in the blockchain subversion debate. 1038338;1425253562;mircea_popescu;well... this is why : so this sort of shit stops washing. 1038339;1425253572;mircea_popescu;not so that random redditard can buy his porn for 0 fees. 1038340;1425253601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.0003979 = 15.4584 BTC [+] 1038341;1425253683;mircea_popescu;( http://trilema.com/2015/and-then-she-went-splat-on-the-asphalt/#footnote_5_60229 ref) 1038342;1425253684;assbot;And then she went splat! on the asphalt. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZ8Cck ) 1038343;1425253741;asciilifeform;'why spent time with roaches ?' 1038344;1425253768;mircea_popescu;i eat them. 1038345;1425253784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37739 @ 0.00040159 = 15.1556 BTC [+] {2} 1038346;1425253794;asciilifeform;chinese school, i see. 1038347;1425254613;jurov;http://explo.yt/post/2015/03/02/F.MPIF-February-2015-trading-statement 1038348;1425254614;assbot;F.MPIF February 2015 trading statement - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZbhmt ) 1038349;1425254676;cazalla;mircea_popescu, for sake of thestringpuller and mine private conversation, have you ever bedded a north korean woman? 1038350;1425255431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00038261 = 27.0505 BTC [-] {2} 1038351;1425255563;gabriel_laddel;!s my face is a pancake 1038352;1425255563;assbot;1 results for 'my face is a pancake' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=my+face+is+a+pancake 1038353;1425256529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35550 @ 0.00040421 = 14.3697 BTC [+] {2} 1038354;1425256619;ben_vulpes; very basic maths << so much so that even i did them in 'uni' 1038355;1425256647;ben_vulpes;there is a reason i call this kind of document torture. 1038356;1425256700;ben_vulpes;i could make these things. 1038357;1425256702;ben_vulpes;but... 1038358;1425256710;ben_vulpes;"one year, no distractions." 1038359;1425256744;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: betcha one could do considerably better - from first principles - with modern tech 1038360;1425256764;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the rocket described in the book is older than i am 1038361;1425256789;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the originals didn't even contain microprocessor. 1038362;1425256834;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: and does one even need a rocket against a rotating-wing machine, or would a swarm of multicopters suffice. 1038363;1425256858;asciilifeform;(disposable, of course) 1038364;1425256869;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: well yes, improvements in performance and reductions in cost exercises for not even terribly alert reader. 1038365;1425256926;ben_vulpes;anyways, armsmithing for the next engagements is terribly interesting and entirely impossible to do from where i am. 1038366;1425256943;ben_vulpes;those who do in these parts - aren't interested in novel strategies or applications of commodity technology 1038367;1425256949;asciilifeform;can still think. 1038368;1425256953;ben_vulpes;dream. 1038369;1425256955;asciilifeform;and write down for the ones who make it out alive. 1038370;1425256990;ben_vulpes;nah. 1038371;1425257006;ben_vulpes;these designs have value. 1038372;1425257120;ben_vulpes;the *real* value though, is in the strategist given free reign to be creative. 1038373;1425257120;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1022459 1038374;1425257120;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2015 18:16:06; mircea_popescu: in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm. 1038375;1425257128;asciilifeform;similar discussion in old thread 1038376;1425257142;asciilifeform;the rocket, just as the modern ic, was designed by and for industrial system. 1038377;1425257164;asciilifeform;that is, to be produced en masse via the traditional processes for manufactured goods 1038378;1425257191;asciilifeform;the opposite does not (yet) exist 1038379;1425257204;BingoBoingo;Time to practice winding your own motors! 1038380;1425257217;asciilifeform;one of the strongest levers of the 20th century totalitarian mega-state is air power 1038381;1425257227;asciilifeform;against which there is no low-cost unindustrial counter. 1038382;1425257252;ben_vulpes;monofilament's pretty low cost. 1038383;1425257255;asciilifeform;if such a thing were to exist - major problems for the owners of jet-propelled statal enforcement. 1038384;1425257255;ben_vulpes;not unindustrial, though. 1038385;1425257263;asciilifeform;see also, 1038386;1425257266;asciilifeform;!s you and the atomic bomb 1038387;1425257267;assbot;12 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=you+and+the+atomic+bomb 1038388;1425257275;asciilifeform;(orwell's basic primer on the subject) 1038389;1425257287;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/ << what about these d00ds? 1038390;1425257302;thestringpuller;i thought other big cost in rocket was d00ds in black suits showin' up and shuttin down the studio 1038391;1425257317;thestringpuller;enough bezzles makes them shoo tho 1038392;1425257343;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: orthogonal. 1038393;1425257358;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it's either a usg-controlled semi-scam, or doomed to be suppressed 1038394;1425257373;asciilifeform;but in both cases entirely not what i was speaking of 1038395;1425257411;asciilifeform;nobody is ever building any of what is pictured on that page on anything other than a fleet-of-mazeratis budget 1038396;1425257505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43750 @ 0.00040618 = 17.7704 BTC [+] {2} 1038397;1425257588;ben_vulpes;moreover, a largely useless project. 1038398;1425257590;ben_vulpes;motor aside. 1038399;1425257596;thestringpuller;http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/manned-test-of-nexo-parachute-saturday-214/ << LOL "Cancelled due to bad weather" 1038400;1425257603;asciilifeform;chumpatronics with physical props. 1038401;1425257611;ben_vulpes;submarine was more useful. 1038402;1425257620;ben_vulpes;eh, it's just some guys having fun. 1038403;1425257622;ben_vulpes;what of it. 1038404;1425257646;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i actually found the 'igla' article while looking for... the battery. 1038405;1425257675;asciilifeform;there are certain methods of making a battery that are not used in modern consumer types 1038406;1425257697;asciilifeform;single-shot and extremely expensive 1038407;1425257719;ben_vulpes;i'm more interested in single-shot and extremely cheap. 1038408;1425257730;*;ben_vulpes giving the whole armsmithing game away for some reason 1038409;1425257736;asciilifeform;but just such a battery could make the difference between an unmanned flying machine that can deliver $thing between point a and b, say 1038410;1425257746;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: you drink bottled water don't you :P 1038411;1425257756;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: nope. 1038412;1425257764;ben_vulpes;;;google Bull Run 1038413;1425257765;gribble;The Battle of Bull Run Summary & Facts | Civilwar.org: ; Bullrun: ; First Battle of Bull Run - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 1038414;1425257770;ben_vulpes;;;google bull run reservoir 1038415;1425257771;gribble;Bull Run River (Oregon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Bull Run Watershed | The City of Portland, Oregon: ; Portland's Water System | The City of Portland, Oregon: 1038416;1425257796;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: if the thing's reasonably robust, a parabolic delivery trajectory should suffice. 1038417;1425257816;ben_vulpes;$thing 1038418;1425257823;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not everything likes travelling via icbm 1038419;1425257866;ben_vulpes;tough cookies. 1038420;1425257867;asciilifeform;nor is a 300km accuracy cone acceptable for most cargo other than nuke 1038421;1425257884;ben_vulpes;that's a pessimistic cone. 1038422;1425257908;ben_vulpes;missing variable: delivery distance. 1038423;1425257919;ben_vulpes;if it needs to go that far, put an ice on it. 1038424;1425257993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51538 @ 0.00040687 = 20.9693 BTC [+] {2} 1038425;1425258005;ben_vulpes;but do share your design envelope, i'm very curious what sorts of requirements you're considering that require some crazy one-shot battery. 1038426;1425258021;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ever find it interesting that there are wankatronic societies like the 'amateur space' thing linked earlier, but nobody (has admitted to) sending a 100% amateur-built unmanned machine across, e.g., atlantic ? 1038427;1425258071;ben_vulpes;there are the S.A. submersibles. 1038428;1425258105;asciilifeform;slow, expensive, and nobody's building one in his cellar or launching from back yard. 1038429;1425258114;asciilifeform;and coasts are well-patrolled in the 'civilized' world. 1038430;1425258123;ben_vulpes;lol nowhere near as expensive as their payloads are valuable. 1038431;1425258142;asciilifeform;we are thinking of entirely different worlds, perhaps 1038432;1425258149;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'well patrolled' << i'm pretty sure that 50+ sneak through for every single one busted. 1038433;1425258189;asciilifeform;they pass unmolested - and the cargo travels on, on land - at lizardhitler's pleasure. 1038434;1425258193;ben_vulpes;you're familiar i'm sure with the near-disposable cessna's thrown over america's southern border, stuffed to the gills with $substance? 1038435;1425258198;ben_vulpes;cessnas* 1038436;1425258210;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: toy store range, toy store machine 1038437;1425258218;asciilifeform;and human operator. 1038438;1425258222;asciilifeform;trivially radiolocatable. 1038439;1425258258;asciilifeform;a 'cessna' would be a car-sized ordinary airplane, no ? 1038440;1425258265;ben_vulpes;correct. 1038441;1425258280;asciilifeform;aha, was still thinking of automatics 1038442;1425258285;ben_vulpes;flying below ceiling at which all objects are 'trivially' observable. 1038443;1425258318;asciilifeform;smugglers landing ordinary machines in sparsely-populated desert - century-old state of the art 1038444;1425258320;asciilifeform;snore. 1038445;1425258365;ben_vulpes;yes well do away with the $maxint vehicle cert process, $maxint operator training... 1038446;1425258386;ben_vulpes;construction fundamentals are well understood, automatics well understood (granted by fewer people)... 1038447;1425258396;ben_vulpes;i still do not see a need for this wacky battery of yours. 1038448;1425258446;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: mental excursion in how 'silk road' etc. - in alternate universe where folks have brains - could have worked. 1038449;1425258494;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: think this way: what country, on what continent, has sovereignty over... birds ? 1038450;1425258508;ben_vulpes;the chinese! 1038451;1425258511;asciilifeform;even the fabled chinese sparrows 1038452;1425258513;asciilifeform;still flying. 1038453;1425258518;ben_vulpes;remember when all the children went out after...yes. 1038454;1425258537;ben_vulpes;batteries are still bogus. 1038455;1425258542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15645 @ 0.00040784 = 6.3807 BTC [+] 1038456;1425258547;ben_vulpes;or maybe not! maybe i'm crazy. 1038457;1425258565;ben_vulpes;maybe the trick is to leverage existing industrial commodity electrical motors and do something clever with the batteries. 1038458;1425258584;asciilifeform;^ 1038459;1425258591;ben_vulpes;the power to weight ratio just *always* turns me off. 1038460;1425258597;BingoBoingo;* ben_vulpes giving the whole armsmithing game away for some reason << Railgun? 1038461;1425258620;asciilifeform;for batteries which don't need to be 'safe' or reusable or dirt-cheap - this changes. 1038462;1425258634;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: that prototype never worked and has long since been consigned to my parents dustbin. 1038463;1425258641;ben_vulpes;i probably didn't know enough to make it work when i attempted it. 1038464;1425258644;asciilifeform;by how much, requires a very detailed study of surviving soviet literature. which i presently lack the time for. but might get back to one day 1038465;1425258685;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'd rather leverage my wot for landing sites and refuelers. 1038466;1425258753;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026299 1038467;1425258753;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2015 18:23:10; ascii_field: humans-in-the-loop is what -every single person nailed by usg so far- had in common. 1038468;1425258758;asciilifeform;^ relevant thread 1038469;1425258855;ben_vulpes;this is a strictly us problem, though. 1038470;1425258863;ben_vulpes;the rest of the world doth not operate so insanely. 1038471;1425258895;ben_vulpes;and why (why why why?!) must everything be about enraging the insane bear in the room? 1038472;1425258903;asciilifeform;us includes pretty much the entire planet outside of ru and cn 1038473;1425258916;ben_vulpes;you vastly overestimate their abilities. 1038474;1425258938;ben_vulpes;didn't they just retain some 20k unseasoned mercs to go after a mob of kalash-equipped pashtuns? 1038475;1425258943;ben_vulpes;give me a break. 1038476;1425258964;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: objective was controlled chaos. not to remove the particular crop of (not pashtuns) 1038477;1425259038;ben_vulpes;i've yet to see them achieve one thing they set out to, in my entire life of watching them ferry soldiers across the sea. 1038478;1425259050;ben_vulpes;'gulf war' perhaps aside. 1038479;1425259119;ben_vulpes;i don't buy this 'controlled chaos'. isis is a mortal threat to the us (and all client states) and they desire desperately to wipe it out. 1038480;1425259128;gabriel_laddel;!s gravity well 1038481;1425259129;assbot;26 results for 'gravity well' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gravity+well 1038482;1425259141;ben_vulpes;implying, gabriel_laddel? 1038483;1425259166;gabriel_laddel;Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't much of the discussion in this channel based on the assumption that usg is going to fall apart? 1038484;1425259185;gabriel_laddel;why, all of the sudden are they a immediate threat to a hypothetical? 1038485;1425259205;ben_vulpes;this conversation is about airspace control. 1038486;1425259205;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: it was quite clear in '43 that third reich would fall apart 1038487;1425259227;asciilifeform;but it was also clear that it would not do so quickly or without damage to surroundings 1038488;1425259230;asciilifeform;and could use help 1038489;1425259248;ben_vulpes;I need a primer on that period. 1038490;1425259302;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm not certain that a worthwhile picture can be obtained solely in english. 1038491;1425259354;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-hk-security-devices.htm >> l0lz 1038492;1425259355;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5zsHf ) 1038493;1425259391;asciilifeform;is that a mtgox otp generator ? 1038494;1425259396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00039939 = 11.7421 BTC [-] 1038495;1425259420;asciilifeform;(rectangular keychain, black with gold-coloured button in center, usb male) 1038496;1425259424;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Appears to indeed be a Yubikey 1038497;1425259427;asciilifeform;lol! 1038498;1425259441;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm telling you the film is a lulzmine 1038499;1425259456;mod6;who is testing a pogo currently? asciilifeform, danielpbarron and BingoBoingo? 1038500;1425259464;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can you tell me why an actual snowden would have himself filmed ? 1038501;1425259479;BingoBoingo;mod6: Don't have pogo 1038502;1425259484;mod6;ok 1038503;1425259496;asciilifeform;mod6: i have one; currently writing a netbsd kernel driv. for the nand flash 1038504;1425259518;asciilifeform;well, by 'currently' meaning a few hrs./wk, sadly 1038505;1425259523;mod6;hows that going anyway? 1038506;1425259526;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: From film it seems he was worried about "black bag" and in the event wanted martyrdom. 1038507;1425259544;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: conveniently carried (red) bag? 1038508;1425259564;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "Privacy Hood" he called it 1038509;1425259640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.0003989 = 8.8955 BTC [-] {2} 1038510;1425259700;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Used to keep lizard in the room from watching him type 1038511;1425259711;asciilifeform;why would anyone use a device such as 'yubikey' for access to a man-portable machine ? 1038512;1425259762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32399 @ 0.00038251 = 12.3929 BTC [-] {2} 1038513;1425260237;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: because... pro idiotas 1038514;1425260266;BingoBoingo;Perhaps he doesn't trust his brain to "brainwallet" strong passwords 1038515;1425260325;BingoBoingo;Yubikeys have been used to store fixed long passwords for local use. Just works like a USB keyboard in that case. Just... 1038516;1425260345;BingoBoingo;The Man Portable machine has a keyboard 1038517;1425260376;mircea_popescu; if such a thing were to exist - major problems << sure it exists. it's how the us navy lost china sea. 1038518;1425260382;mircea_popescu;"you can always make a cheaper rocket" 1038519;1425260585;mircea_popescu; us includes pretty much the entire planet outside of ru and cn << this is ridoinculous. 1038520;1425260595;mircea_popescu;us doesn't even include fucking nebraska. 1038521;1425260676;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> i don't buy this 'controlled chaos'. isis is a mortal threat << more importantly, isis EXISTS because it was born out of the *previous* iteration of "we didn't really get our asses handed to us like little girls, we were really AIMING to be face down, feet in the air" 1038522;1425260721;mircea_popescu; gabriel_laddel: it was quite clear in '43 that third reich would fall apart << is this some bit of original research ? 1038523;1425260752;mircea_popescu;i seem to recall granpa churchill spinning some prime yarn bout how "and once england is defeated our realms across the sea will carry on without us" 1038524;1425260933;jurov;lol i remembered one denizen of Golden Lane in Prague Castle. 1038525;1425260952;jurov;She was a soothsayer and prophesied a fall of the Third reich 1038526;1425260963;jurov;Was taken by getapo in '43. 1038527;1425260972;jurov;*gestapo 1038528;1425260999;jurov;^ dat research 1038529;1425261056;mircea_popescu;up until leningrad it was not at all clear the reich will ever end, especially not from outside. 1038530;1425261063;mircea_popescu;certainly not to stalin. 1038531;1425261249;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, i just ingested a quart of the world's best icecream. BEST you hear me ? 1038532;1425261255;mircea_popescu;i'm burping deliciousness now. 1038533;1425261278;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: that sposed to make us grape jelly? 1038534;1425261688;mircea_popescu;nah 1038535;1425262019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00040543 = 10.6223 BTC [+] 1038536;1425262202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42537 @ 0.00041077 = 17.4729 BTC [+] {2} 1038537;1425262751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20970 @ 0.00040543 = 8.5019 BTC [-] 1038538;1425263483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53781 @ 0.00040963 = 22.0303 BTC [+] 1038539;1425265191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00041204 = 15.7811 BTC [+] {3} 1038540;1425266594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.0004127 = 10.5651 BTC [+] 1038541;1425267448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00040963 = 3.359 BTC [-] 1038542;1425267456;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.9553 BTC. Current weight: 37,208. 1038543;1425267458;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 40(Y):60(N) by coin, 36(Y):64(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.3 BTC. Current weight: 84,017. 1038544;1425267570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42125 @ 0.0004139 = 17.4355 BTC [+] {2} 1038545;1425268135;[]bot;Bet placed: 3.22448973 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 27.15568201 BTC. Current weight: 78,806. 1038546;1425268137;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.12804235 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.42804235 BTC. Current weight: 84,000. 1038547;1425268139;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.02020202 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.97550202 BTC. Current weight: 37,192. 1038548;1425268546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29162 @ 0.00040963 = 11.9456 BTC [-] 1038549;1425269116;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.42804235 BTC. Current weight: 83,974. 1038550;1425269118;[]bot;Bet placed: 3.03030303 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 32.18598504 BTC. Current weight: 78,786. 1038551;1425269121;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 32.18598504 BTC. Current weight: 78,786. 1038552;1425269123;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.43707636 BTC. Current weight: 29,196. 1038553;1425269125;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.97550202 BTC. Current weight: 37,170. 1038554;1425269160;ben_vulpes;why do people do that? 1038555;1425269185;ben_vulpes;now that person's oddsmaking choices are totally obvious 1038556;1425269339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00040963 = 2.1096 BTC [-] 1038557;1425269522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16406 @ 0.00041449 = 6.8001 BTC [+] 1038558;1425270081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: '43: stalingrad 1038559;1425270155;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: us navy... china sea... cheaper rocker << line of thought was about rocket (or equiv.) that the 'next joe stack' can build. rather then chinese navy. 1038560;1425272267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00041873 = 18.7591 BTC [+] 1038561;1425273053;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do what you mean ? 1038562;1425273060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.0004188 = 6.1354 BTC [+] {2} 1038563;1425273182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00041271 = 14.321 BTC [-] {2} 1038564;1425274038;[]bot;Bet placed: 5.00000001 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 37.18598505 BTC. Current weight: 78,685. 1038565;1425274139;ben_vulpes;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_DXcp7WsAAy5kN.jpg:large 1038566;1425274140;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIcM9J ) 1038567;1425275317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00041414 = 6.7712 BTC [+] 1038568;1425275684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00041512 = 6.123 BTC [+] {2} 1038569;1425275744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16374 @ 0.00042003 = 6.8776 BTC [+] 1038570;1425275988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43706 @ 0.00041372 = 18.082 BTC [-] 1038571;1425277025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9840 @ 0.00041489 = 4.0825 BTC [+] {2} 1038572;1425278977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00042026 = 12.7759 BTC [+] {2} 1038573;1425279587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00042097 = 13.5131 BTC [+] {2} 1038574;1425280380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57901 @ 0.00040983 = 23.7296 BTC [-] {2} 1038575;1425282853;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 39.67998505 BTC. Current weight: 78,504. 1038576;1425282881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00041297 = 5.637 BTC [+] 1038577;1425285443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00040838 = 14.0279 BTC [-] {2} 1038578;1425285534;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.81067348 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 28.66774984 BTC. Current weight: 28,886. 1038579;1425285565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00041297 = 14.2888 BTC [+] 1038580;1425285725;[]bot;Bet placed: 5.17037452 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 44.85035957 BTC. Current weight: 78,445. 1038581;1425286419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25491 @ 0.00041669 = 10.6218 BTC [+] {2} 1038582;1425286541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00040653 = 18.7817 BTC [-] {2} 1038583;1425287334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00041921 = 16.5378 BTC [+] {2} 1038584;1425287456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00040552 = 5.8395 BTC [-] {2} 1038585;1425288981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00040249 = 12.1149 BTC [-] {2} 1038586;1425289774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.00042103 = 15.2413 BTC [+] 1038587;1425290250;davout;hello assets 1038588;1425293190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00040836 = 15.1093 BTC [-] 1038589;1425294654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00040355 = 14.2251 BTC [-] 1038590;1425297948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00040836 = 7.8405 BTC [+] 1038591;1425298375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00041027 = 8.9644 BTC [+] {2} 1038592;1425300083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.00041827 = 21.6246 BTC [+] {2} 1038593;1425300937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00041057 = 15.0884 BTC [-] 1038594;1425301303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47972 @ 0.00040798 = 19.5716 BTC [-] {2} 1038595;1425301608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0004194 = 3.1874 BTC [+] 1038596;1425302633;danielpbarron;SetBestChain: 8 of last 100 blocks above version 2 1038597;1425302674;danielpbarron;height=241885 vs height=196707 (usb3: height=234130) 1038598;1425302682;kakobrekla;figure out which pool ? 1038599;1425302787;danielpbarron;the most recent one was this guy: https://blockchain.info/blocks/106.185.33.253 1038600;1425302789;assbot; Blocks mined on ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9gSdF ) 1038601;1425302806;danielpbarron;looks like he just switched to version 3; all his older blocks are version 2 1038602;1425302892;danielpbarron;actually scratch that, looks like he's been switching between them 1038603;1425302948;danielpbarron;https://mining.bitcoinaffiliatenetwork.com/ << these guys were also mining v3 blocks 1038604;1425302950;assbot;Bitcoin Affiliate Network - Bitcoin Mining Pool - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1uiYj ) 1038605;1425303377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00040589 = 21.7557 BTC [-] {3} 1038606;1425304536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00040355 = 18.7651 BTC [-] 1038607;1425305878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00041398 = 2.4839 BTC [+] 1038608;1425306610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00041469 = 10.8441 BTC [+] {2} 1038609;1425307037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00041784 = 10.4251 BTC [+] 1038610;1425307540;jurov;https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11025132_835642146505938_772353907123032308_n.jpg?oh=f29f5c9505c448acc3d8c28c02ac2cea&oe=5576C30A&__gda__=1431034827_08e526a1213f05300da00553e74c3c83 1038611;1425307542;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DvGJqH ) 1038612;1425307571;jurov;^ lizard hitler has a cozy wagon 1038613;1425307830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99605 @ 0.00040341 = 40.1817 BTC [-] {4} 1038614;1425307891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57095 @ 0.00039902 = 22.782 BTC [-] {3} 1038615;1425308196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.00039741 = 36.2438 BTC [-] {4} 1038616;1425308363;mats;http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucdsclnk?sl=91QSCI15158601 1038617;1425308365;assbot;GSA Auctions, General Services Administration, Government Site for Auctions ... ( http://bit.ly/1DvMBQM ) 1038618;1425308618;mats;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-01/iraq-deploys-27-000-troops-to-retake-tikrit-from-islamic-state 1038619;1425308620;assbot;Iraq Starts Attack on Tikrit With Help of Iran Commander - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1vT0PgZ ) 1038620;1425310514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26851 @ 0.00039681 = 10.6547 BTC [-] 1038621;1425311063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.0003975 = 2.9813 BTC [+] 1038622;1425311734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12760 @ 0.00039681 = 5.0633 BTC [-] 1038623;1425312649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.0003975 = 23.691 BTC [+] 1038624;1425313320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00039645 = 16.8095 BTC [-] {2} 1038625;1425313625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00039565 = 6.3106 BTC [-] 1038626;1425315426;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1038627;1425315427;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 263.0, Best ask: 263.38, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 263.19, 24 hour volume: 57880.38141853, 24 hour low: 248.7, 24 hour high: 267.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1038628;1425315539;BingoBoingo;http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Phillies_shut_down_by_University_of_Tampa_in_Clearwater_6-2.html 1038629;1425315540;assbot;Phillies shut down by University of Tampa in Clearwater, 6-2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1vTwwXv ) 1038630;1425315651;mike_c;wow. that's AAA vs college, but still. 1038631;1425315949;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Not just college, lower division college 1038632;1425315964;mike_c;the fix must have been in :) 1038633;1425316004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00039565 = 6.0139 BTC [-] 1038634;1425316553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92332 @ 0.0003975 = 36.702 BTC [+] 1038635;1425317027;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/03/havelock-still-offline/ 1038636;1425317027;assbot;Havelock Still Offline | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vTDpIn ) 1038637;1425317712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45248 @ 0.00039554 = 17.8974 BTC [-] {3} 1038638;1425317834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00039522 = 14.7812 BTC [-] {3} 1038639;1425318687;mats;https://soundcloud.com/deathcabforcutie/death-cab-for-cutie-no-room-in-frame 1038640;1425318689;assbot;"Death Cab For Cutie - No Room In Frame by Death Cab for Cutie - Hear the world’s sounds" ... ( http://bit.ly/1vTLjlh ) 1038641;1425319574;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel 1038642;1425319820;gabriel_laddel;14:16:34 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: the 'adults' are not going to be happy about you writing a program that converts all books in libgen.info + all papers you can get of school networks into a useful format via a combination of OCR and heuristic hackery << Plain OCR is normally sufficient for books without advanced mathematics as long as you are willing to liberate the pages from the spine. Test it with a sheetfed 1038643;1425319820;gabriel_laddel; scanner sometime. 1038644;1425319822;gabriel_laddel;<< 1038645;1425319878;gabriel_laddel;I should have better defined what I mean by "useful format": all the citations must be clickable, and when you click on them, they open up the linked paper, or tell you where it is located (i.e., behind a paywall). I don't want plaintext output, but rather a better format with the exact same formatting as the original pdf that allows me to click, drag-and-drop and add new content. The authors etc should all be progr 1038646;1425319878;gabriel_laddel;ammatically accessible "new content" should be anything I wish - 3D etc. 1038647;1425319912;gabriel_laddel;all the data used to perform the computations should have a "warning - unlinked " unless a human resolved it to the correct source and bundled it along with the paper 1038648;1425320024;gabriel_laddel;Anyways, this is what I have in mind when I say "new format" - and no, I don't think the 'adults' would be happy about a program that converts arbitary PDFs into this sort of program, as evidenced by no bezzle barons funding Aaron Swartz's legal defense. 1038649;1425320039;gabriel_laddel;simply on the principle of "fuck the system, it sucks" 1038650;1425320070;gabriel_laddel;Even if Aaron was only a useful idiot. 1038651;1425320458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00039389 = 20.2263 BTC [-] {2} 1038652;1425321528;mircea_popescu;cazalla nope. 1038653;1425321539;mircea_popescu;!up CoraCrisT 1038654;1425321550;CoraCrisT;thanks, M. 1038655;1425321551;CoraCrisT;hey guys 1038656;1425321552;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel 1038657;1425321565;mircea_popescu;apparently im on the record whining about azn chicks too 1038658;1425321590;BingoBoingo;You indeed are 1038659;1425321649;BingoBoingo;I I recall correctly you azn chick whining happened at least once around the time you elaborated on why Islands suck 1038660;1425321736;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#469751 << for balance. 1038661;1425321736;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2014 13:48:54; mircea_popescu: well sure. i don't propose the chinese are racially ugly. 1038662;1425321837;gabriel_laddel;yw http://imgur.com/GCzmjOx,Eat0ZpP 1038663;1425321838;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKZxFe ) 1038664;1425321875;mircea_popescu;i guess that's acceptable. 1038665;1425321888;mircea_popescu;her mom was slovenian wasn't she. 1038666;1425321955;gabriel_laddel;lol I dunno 1038667;1425322040;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2015#1038602 << the many ways to fuck up a "voting" process designed by the same idiots that did the scam foundation thing 1038668;1425322040;assbot;Logged on 02-03-2015 13:28:12; danielpbarron: actually scratch that, looks like he's been switching between them 1038669;1425322065;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "millers crossing" << ugh man that movie is badddd in places 1038670;1425322074;mircea_popescu;where ? 1038671;1425322206;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2015#1038626 << here's the scoop on that : the usg agencies have finally gave up on Strategy of Pretense v2.0 and are moving to buy. Which explains why someone figured giving coinbase millions makes sense. 1038672;1425322206;assbot;Logged on 02-03-2015 16:57:06; thestringpuller: ;;ticker 1038673;1425322227;mircea_popescu;i find it kinda funny that they chose to eschew silbert's efforts, but who knows what the fuck's going on in the lizard brain. 1038674;1425322290;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2015#1038618 << so did it wekr ? :D 1038675;1425322290;assbot;Logged on 02-03-2015 15:03:38; mats: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-01/iraq-deploys-27-000-troops-to-retake-tikrit-from-islamic-state 1038676;1425322349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00040379 = 7.2682 BTC [+] 1038677;1425322451;mircea_popescu;shit, 200k for a blackhawk ?! 1038678;1425322468;mircea_popescu;two digit in btc. notbad.jpc. 1038679;1425322607;mats;dunno, the offensive started this morning 1038680;1425322630;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2015#1038649 << that's not the sort of principle that gets you to be a fiat baron. 1038681;1425322630;assbot;Logged on 02-03-2015 18:13:59; gabriel_laddel: simply on the principle of "fuck the system, it sucks" 1038682;1425322641;mircea_popescu;mats well, modern warfare no ? how long does it need ? 1038683;1425322652;mircea_popescu;the last successful us campaign in the area was done within a few hours. 1038684;1425322682;mats;well you can take the lack of reporting as a sign that the us got trounced again 1038685;1425322718;mircea_popescu;seeing how there's nothing in the past six hours... yeah, i guess they got raped. 1038686;1425322760;mats;i suspect they couldn't amass enough willing troops 1038687;1425322776;mircea_popescu;i suppose we should start selling subrsciptions to the logs for the join chiefs of staff 1038688;1425322777;mats;fallujah was fought with many more coalition troops and they still suffered serious losses 1038689;1425322783;mircea_popescu;18mn a year or something. 1038690;1425322792;mircea_popescu;that was years ago man. 1038691;1425322818;gabriel_laddel;19:01 << you don't have to /say/ that. "We think this is a serious overreach of federal power, and ..." 1038692;1425322819;mircea_popescu;"you see this supermodel/actress/whatever ? i fucked her for dinner when she was 15. think i should go talk to her ?" 1038693;1425322871;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel but you wanted them to act on the principle of x. 1038694;1425322880;mircea_popescu;well, the principle of x isn't conducive of the situation of y. 1038695;1425322896;mats;this buildup to mosul is going to be embarrassing at any rate 1038696;1425322919;mircea_popescu;didn't bush have 2-500k troops on the ground ? 1038697;1425322922;mircea_popescu;wtf buildup is 20k mercs ? 1038698;1425322959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00040379 = 4.5628 BTC [+] 1038699;1425322976;mircea_popescu;but as a side point : for all the fixed ideas in the electoral population about what the labels "republican" or "democrat" mean, i would like to point out obama is by far the strongest believer in free markets the white house has had in a long time. 1038700;1425323016;mircea_popescu;i don't think even reagan would have considered - considered! mind you - trying for a free market in army services. 1038701;1425323023;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: the point I originally made is that they're not funding people to convert .pdfs etc. becuase thats not the kind of people they are. I shouldn't have sent 19:04, it adds nothing to the conversation. 1038702;1425323030;mircea_popescu;well, not unless the crystal ball said so anyway. 1038703;1425323043;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel yeh, i see it. 1038704;1425324118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00039359 = 23.7335 BTC [-] {2} 1038705;1425324588;chetty; i don't think even reagan would have considered - considered! mind you - trying for a free market in army services.// its not a free market he is trying its a crony market 1038706;1425324728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00040481 = 5.7078 BTC [+] {2} 1038707;1425325155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00039348 = 9.7977 BTC [-] 1038708;1425325399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25893 @ 0.00039335 = 10.185 BTC [-] {2} 1038709;1425325473;mircea_popescu;yeah well... 1038710;1425326427;mircea_popescu;in the "double take of today" revue, i hire lawyer, he invites me by his office, sends address, it's on... Pringles Street. 1038711;1425326436;mircea_popescu;if the guy wears bunny ears im bolting. 1038712;1425326474;davout;"meet me at dolphins and nintendo" 1038713;1425326482;mircea_popescu;lol 1038714;1425326510;mircea_popescu;trinque thar ? 1038715;1425326522;mircea_popescu;an' how goes davout ? 1038716;1425326616;davout;doing good, got back from vacation 1038717;1425326619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00039333 = 9.0466 BTC [-] 1038718;1425326741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00040523 = 11.7111 BTC [+] {2} 1038719;1425326741;trinque;mircea_popescu: yo 1038720;1425326775;mircea_popescu;so i wanna put this thing into deedbot 1038721;1425326789;mircea_popescu;what's the syntax again ? 1038722;1425326802;trinque;add-key 1038723;1425326806;trinque;add-deed 1038724;1425326819;mircea_popescu;deedbot- add-key http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/ 1038725;1425326819;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbctoP ) 1038726;1425326830;trinque;!up deedbot- 1038727;1425326837;mircea_popescu;deedbot- add-key http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/ 1038728;1425326838;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebcw4d ) 1038729;1425326838;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1038730;1425326841;mircea_popescu;hm. 1038731;1425326848;trinque;mircea_popescu: has to be dpaste, pastebin or one other, lemme look 1038732;1425326863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44482 @ 0.00040667 = 18.0895 BTC [+] {2} 1038733;1425326889;mircea_popescu;deedbot- add-key http://dpaste.com/3E647VC 1038734;1425326890;assbot;dpaste: 3E647VC ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbcCZB ) 1038735;1425326927;trinque;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/3E647VC.txt 1038736;1425326928;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbcOYG ) 1038737;1425326929;deedbot-;imported: 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 1038738;1425326985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62237 @ 0.00039302 = 24.4604 BTC [-] {3} 1038739;1425327016;mircea_popescu;can that : thing go away ? 1038740;1425327068;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2EGJ4BK 1038741;1425327070;assbot;dpaste: 2EGJ4BK ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSVToN ) 1038742;1425327070;deedbot-;rejected: 2 1038743;1425327073;mircea_popescu;... 1038744;1425327076;trinque;needs the raw url 1038745;1425327086;trinque;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2EGJ4BK.txt 1038746;1425327087;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSVUcx ) 1038747;1425327087;deedbot-;rejected: 2 1038748;1425327092;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3A3V9S7 1038749;1425327093;assbot;dpaste: 3A3V9S7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSVUJq ) 1038750;1425327093;deedbot-;rejected: 2 1038751;1425327099;trinque;hm 1038752;1425327102;mircea_popescu;oh wait. 1038753;1425327105;mircea_popescu;no he's right. 1038754;1425327115;mircea_popescu;;;rated mpex 1038755;1425327115;gribble;You have not yet rated user mpex 1038756;1425327120;mircea_popescu;wtf was it 1038757;1425327145;davout;doesn't it have to be clearsigned? 1038758;1425327198;mircea_popescu;deedbot- add-key http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xEE2BDEF602DD2D91 1038759;1425327201;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1038760;1425327201;mircea_popescu;eh. 1038761;1425327223;mircea_popescu;deedbot- add-key http://dpaste.com/26FMVEW 1038762;1425327224;assbot;dpaste: 26FMVEW ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSWarT ) 1038763;1425327244;trinque;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/26FMVEW.txt 1038764;1425327245;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSWbfz ) 1038765;1425327246;deedbot-;imported: 2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D91 1038766;1425327247;mircea_popescu;damn 1038767;1425327257;trinque;mircea_popescu: not hard to make that easier to use 1038768;1425327265;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3A3V9S7 1038769;1425327266;assbot;dpaste: 3A3V9S7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSWd7d ) 1038770;1425327266;deedbot-;rejected: 2 1038771;1425327267;mircea_popescu;trinque please do. 1038772;1425327275;mircea_popescu;and why the fux does it reject them now. 1038773;1425327280;mircea_popescu;!rated mpoe 1038774;1425327281;assbot;You rated user mpoe on 09-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Current MPEx account for #bitcoin-assets deed purposes. 1038775;1425327298;trinque;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3A3V9S7.txt 1038776;1425327299;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSWjvq ) 1038777;1425327299;deedbot-;accepted: 2 1038778;1425327301;trinque;^ raw url 1038779;1425327310;mircea_popescu;oh i c. 1038780;1425327323;trinque;but could be nicer, yes 1038781;1425327373;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/0F12NEV.txt 1038782;1425327374;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSWuaa ) 1038783;1425327376;deedbot-;imported: FD9FB3F73B5AE8499A02F0C521B9818A468F4AD0 1038784;1425327404;trinque;I have gone ahead and published that first one 1038785;1425327406;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3TJ1756.txt 1038786;1425327407;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSWtD3 ) 1038787;1425327407;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1038788;1425327428;mircea_popescu;trinque http://deedbot.org/ << should delete the test ones. 1038789;1425327429;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQ3pe0 ) 1038790;1425327435;trinque;mircea_popescu: will do 1038791;1425327458;mircea_popescu;hanbot please go through the foundation lists and deedbot the various stuff in there. 1038792;1425327473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116770 @ 0.00039225 = 45.803 BTC [-] {4} 1038793;1425327534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11130 @ 0.00039169 = 4.3595 BTC [-] 1038794;1425327562;davout;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1R4WW1D 1038795;1425327563;assbot;dpaste: 1R4WW1D ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbePUK ) 1038796;1425327568;trinque;davout: stick a .txt on it 1038797;1425327576;davout;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1R4WW1D.txt 1038798;1425327577;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbePnH ) 1038799;1425327578;deedbot-;imported: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428 1038800;1425327625;davout;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/0GCCZDW.txt 1038801;1425327626;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebf1mT ) 1038802;1425327626;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1038803;1425327627;mircea_popescu;hanbot actually nevermind, grep is easier. 1038804;1425327636;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://therealbitcoin.com/charter-B71EADAF.asc 1038805;1425327637;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebf2qV ) 1038806;1425327637;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038807;1425327655;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: making a human do grep's job. i iz disappoint. 1038808;1425327665;davout;mircea_popescu: haha you suck at deedbotting 1038809;1425327673;mircea_popescu;dude it's unreal. 1038810;1425327676;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://thebitcoin.foundation/charter-B71EADAF.asc 1038811;1425327677;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbfdT9 ) 1038812;1425327677;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038813;1425327694;mircea_popescu;trinque curl sees it ? 1038814;1425327703;gabriel_laddel;I was doing some work, came across a video of derps derping at Von N. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLbllFHBQM4 1038815;1425327704;assbot;John Von Neumann Interview - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSX7jW ) 1038816;1425327731;mircea_popescu;and here i thought he was dead 1038817;1425327774;mircea_popescu;cvikly 1038818;1425327787;gabriel_laddel;pardon? 1038819;1425327800;mircea_popescu;he has a funny accent. 1038820;1425327818;mircea_popescu;"and ve better do somfink cvikly" 1038821;1425327819;trinque;mircea_popescu: it just doesn't trust that domain 1038822;1425327826;trinque;dpaste and pastebin currently 1038823;1425327832;mircea_popescu;trinque what is the point of this url restriction business ? 1038824;1425327832;gabriel_laddel;Ah yes, a refined Hungarian banker speaking English 1038825;1425327861;davout;mircea_popescu: prolly not having to regex a gpg signed message out of a webpage 1038826;1425327887;thestringpuller;haven't seen you in awhile davout. how's things on the other side of the pond? 1038827;1425327897;mircea_popescu;well in this case it's plaintext. but srsly, we have no good reason nor a standing policy to force everyone to use pastebins we don't own. 1038828;1425327903;mircea_popescu;they're a convenience, which is fine, but... 1038829;1425327943;mircea_popescu;trinque if it's to prevent abuse in some way, think that only voiced people can issue the command. if they do something unseemly complain. 1038830;1425327954;trinque;I can get behind that 1038831;1425328078;trinque;its actually even more constrained than that, as it will reject keys not in assbot's l1 or l2 1038832;1425328088;*;trinque shall dial back the paranoia a notch 1038833;1425328098;mircea_popescu;no the latter is fine. 1038834;1425328102;mircea_popescu;that's by design. 1038835;1425328109;trinque;ah I meant in regards to the domain limiting 1038836;1425328113;mircea_popescu;kk 1038837;1425328327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16635 @ 0.00040709 = 6.7719 BTC [+] 1038838;1425328388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22234 @ 0.00040966 = 9.1084 BTC [+] {2} 1038839;1425328500;mircea_popescu;spam incoming! 1038840;1425328503;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/0V5CXWK.txt 1038841;1425328504;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhyNW ) 1038842;1425328504;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/1366QWC.txt 1038843;1425328505;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhyO8 ) 1038844;1425328505;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/1CSCD1G.txt 1038845;1425328506;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebhxd1 ) 1038846;1425328506;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/1MMVM04.txt 1038847;1425328507;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhzkX ) 1038848;1425328507;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/218ATYP.txt 1038849;1425328508;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebhxtt ) 1038850;1425328508;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038851;1425328508;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3127ETZ.txt 1038852;1425328509;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebhxtz ) 1038853;1425328509;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038854;1425328509;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038855;1425328509;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038856;1425328509;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038857;1425328509;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3127ETZ.txt 1038858;1425328510;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebhxtz ) 1038859;1425328510;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038860;1425328510;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038861;1425328510;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3HEATQA.txt 1038862;1425328511;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhAp6 ) 1038863;1425328511;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038864;1425328511;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3S84Z9C.txt 1038865;1425328512;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhzBD ) 1038866;1425328512;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038867;1425328512;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3WP2R9Q.txt 1038868;1425328513;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhzBJ ) 1038869;1425328513;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038870;1425328514;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201409.txt.asc 1038871;1425328515;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhAW4 ) 1038872;1425328515;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038873;1425328516;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201411.txt.asc 1038874;1425328517;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhA8s ) 1038875;1425328517;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038876;1425328517;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/29Ed1j5b.txt 1038877;1425328518;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhBcw ) 1038878;1425328518;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038879;1425328520;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/3aCSNttt.txt 1038880;1425328521;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhD49 ) 1038881;1425328521;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038882;1425328521;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/4jHz0QHu.txt 1038883;1425328522;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhBcI ) 1038884;1425328522;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038885;1425328523;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/5hjTV4yg.txt 1038886;1425328524;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhDkT ) 1038887;1425328524;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038888;1425328527;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/bhTvgWiR.txt 1038889;1425328528;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhBJz ) 1038890;1425328528;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038891;1425328529;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh.txt 1038892;1425328530;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhBJF ) 1038893;1425328530;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038894;1425328531;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/ds1nsMha.txt 1038895;1425328532;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhEoT ) 1038896;1425328532;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038897;1425328533;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/DX4E7ZHS.txt 1038898;1425328535;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhC0k ) 1038899;1425328535;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038900;1425328536;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/EG3bw4zU.txt 1038901;1425328537;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhCgH ) 1038902;1425328537;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038903;1425328538;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/exbt1Fg0.txt 1038904;1425328539;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhCxi ) 1038905;1425328539;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038906;1425328540;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/gQpeau7E.txt 1038907;1425328541;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhFct ) 1038908;1425328541;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038909;1425328542;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/gStPn3i2.txt 1038910;1425328543;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhCNO ) 1038911;1425328543;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038912;1425328544;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/mWvW7fd6.txt 1038913;1425328545;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhFsU ) 1038914;1425328545;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038915;1425328546;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/pwMegjqA.txt 1038916;1425328547;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhFJw ) 1038917;1425328547;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038918;1425328547;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/qddQ8idF.txt 1038919;1425328548;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhFZP ) 1038920;1425328548;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038921;1425328549;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6.txt 1038922;1425328550;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhIEZ ) 1038923;1425328550;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038924;1425328551;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6.txt 1038925;1425328552;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhIFg ) 1038926;1425328553;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038927;1425328554;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/29Ed1j5b.txt 1038928;1425328554;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhIVC ) 1038929;1425328554;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038930;1425328558;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/4GSHjhrw.txt 1038931;1425328559;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhGNv ) 1038932;1425328559;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038933;1425328559;trinque;lol 1038934;1425328559;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/5hjTV4yg.txt 1038935;1425328560;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhJcf ) 1038936;1425328560;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038937;1425328562;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/5PG5mdAU.txt 1038938;1425328563;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhJsE ) 1038939;1425328563;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038940;1425328564;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/5PG5mdAU.txt 1038941;1425328564;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhHkp ) 1038942;1425328564;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038943;1425328565;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/5PG5mdAU.txt 1038944;1425328566;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhJJi ) 1038945;1425328566;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038946;1425328568;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/5PG5mdAU.txt 1038947;1425328568;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhHkp ) 1038948;1425328568;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038949;1425328569;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/5PG5mdAU.txt 1038950;1425328570;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhHkp ) 1038951;1425328571;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038952;1425328572;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/5PG5mdAU.txt 1038953;1425328572;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhHRH ) 1038954;1425328572;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038955;1425328573;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pastebin.com/aZp4KxUw.txt 1038956;1425328574;assbot;Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbhL3D ) 1038957;1425328574;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038958;1425328575;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://pa 1038959;1425328575;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1038960;1425328577;mircea_popescu;well that worked admirably well. 1038961;1425328584;fluffypony;lol 1038962;1425328604;trinque;none of those URLs have a paste at them 1038963;1425328636;thestringpuller;"This paste has been removed!" 1038964;1425328646;mircea_popescu;http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201411.txt.asc < 1038965;1425328647;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HT0YnA ) 1038966;1425328660;trinque;!up deedbot- 1038967;1425328663;mircea_popescu;anyway. this goes to show exactly wtf the importance of a WORKING deedbot actrually is. 1038968;1425328681;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeh, these pastebins aren't a great place for history 1038969;1425328693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59881 @ 0.00041344 = 24.7572 BTC [+] {3} 1038970;1425328729;mircea_popescu;did anyone keep a backup of the previous deed site ? 1038971;1425328747;trinque;mircea_popescu: punkman sent me all the old deeds 1038972;1425328759;mircea_popescu;ah cool. drop them in sometime then. 1038973;1425328763;trinque;sure will 1038974;1425328767;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: status 1038975;1425328773;mircea_popescu;nothing like that ? 1038976;1425328776;trinque;neh 1038977;1425328795;mircea_popescu;well so now that you're done with deedbot you can start over on a whole new raft of stuff :D 1038978;1425328837;trinque;lol 1038979;1425328852;trinque;I'm gonna make this thing real nice; I have more time this evening available for it 1038980;1425328869;mircea_popescu;sweet. 1038981;1425328874;trinque;also writing things against bitcoin is ass 1038982;1425328874;mircea_popescu;does it have btc ? 1038983;1425328899;mircea_popescu;it is. my skin was crawling earlier with that 2011 feeling of "holy shiot we're back to writing bitcoin stuff here" 1038984;1425328913;mircea_popescu;"nothing works and no-one's surprised" 1038985;1425328923;trinque;mircea_popescu: it's criminal 1038986;1425328926;thestringpuller;!b 2 1038987;1425328926;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/20G281X.txt ) 1038988;1425328936;trinque;the json api thing, what the fucking fuck 1038989;1425328957;jurov;wh it rejects the explo.yt/fmpif stuff? 1038990;1425328966;trinque;there needs to be a word for design choices which open up an infinite space of taped on features 1038991;1425328976;mircea_popescu;jurov it's getting fixed, bad url basically 1038992;1425328992;trinque;deedbot has three tables in sqlite, message bundle and transaction 1038993;1425328993;mircea_popescu;trinque include a deed explaining you're maintaining it and listing its feed btc addy. 1038994;1425329001;trinque;mircea_popescu: sure thing 1038995;1425329034;trinque;it will soon be aware of transactions which have funded it, so people can just throw it some change when needed 1038996;1425329049;trinque;I was thinking it'd be appropriate for it to announce when the tank's getting low 1038997;1425329471;mircea_popescu;it is. 1038998;1425329498;davout;mircea_popescu: lol, great success 1038999;1425329513;davout;thestringpuller: still the same communist france pretty much :-) 1039000;1425330449;jurov;qntra shares distributed 1039001;1425330462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36850 @ 0.0004089 = 15.068 BTC [-] 1039002;1425330576;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1039003;1425330761;ascii_field;^ that deedbot thing... 1039004;1425330767;ascii_field;is this version 3 now? 1039005;1425330777;trinque;!up deedbot- 1039006;1425330784;ascii_field;4 ? 1039007;1425330790;trinque;ascii_field: rewritten, dunno how many incarnations there have been 1039008;1425331146;ascii_field;achtung ada users on gentoo! 1039009;1425331147;ascii_field;http://www.ada-ru.org/gentoo/overlay 1039010;1425331154;ascii_field;^ braindamage remover 1039011;1425331456;mircea_popescu;ascii_field 3. 1039012;1425331497;ascii_field;must be trickier than it looks, writing a deedbot 1039013;1425331558;mircea_popescu;writing it is not the trick. keeping it online is the trick. 1039014;1425331574;mircea_popescu;just like exchanges, yoiu know ? 1039015;1425331594;mircea_popescu;any kid can "write one". plenty do. meanwhile http://qntra.net/2015/03/havelock-still-offline/ 1039016;1425331595;assbot;Havelock Still Offline | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIVlXp ) 1039017;1425331603;ascii_field;the exchanges are plugged into a pipe that leads straight to hell, out of which devils emerge every so often 1039018;1425331605;trinque;I wanted to write this in part to see that I could accomplish the "keeping it online" bit 1039019;1425331617;ascii_field;but deedbot just needs a box that'll stay up, no ? 1039020;1425331637;trinque;dunno, is this going to be the target of hax at some point? I wrote it as though it would be 1039021;1425331673;BingoBoingo;If it wasn't going to be targeted it wouldn't be much of a registrar 1039022;1425331682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00039169 = 6.1299 BTC [-] 1039023;1425331684;ascii_field;the somewhat lower-tech 'phuctor', for example, has been running continuously since nov. 2013. 1039024;1425331743;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2015#1039017 <<< yup 1039025;1425331743;assbot;Logged on 02-03-2015 21:26:43; ascii_field: the exchanges are plugged into a pipe that leads straight to hell, out of which devils emerge every so often 1039026;1425331872;trinque;I considered things like "key/deed pulling guy can't see btcd's RPC" 1039027;1425331902;trinque;aside the domain constraint, it's not on that net 1039028;1425332055;gabriel_laddel;I flipped through an ACM mag that was lying around the house and see an employment advertisement for the NSA on the back - "The NSA is an equal opportunity employer", and it names some specializations they're interested in, including "quantum computing" and "discrete mathematics". I visit the websitef, because lolwtf and find this: 1039029;1425332058;trinque;should be pretty damn easy to tell that the thing's been fucked with though, given the output or lack thereof 1039030;1425332061;gabriel_laddel; "Our vision is to create a workplace environment that reflects diversity and inclusion in its broadest context and that ensures every employee has the opportunity to reach his or her full potential and is treated with respect and fairness." -- GEN Keith Alexander - Director NSA/Chief CSS 1039031;1425332068;gabriel_laddel; There is a bunch more of this nonsense available on their website. "African Americans in Cryptologic history" in spite of there not being a single(!) black mathematician. 1039032;1425332141;*;ascii_field long ago once applied for work there 1039033;1425332152;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel you're starting to understand why the us can't win. 1039034;1425332166;*;ascii_field was turned down, just as expected, almost certainly for 'too ethnic' 1039035;1425332176;mircea_popescu;all this cryptologic history. 1039036;1425332178;trinque;that's right up there with feminists calling for the marines' standards to be lowered so they can meet them 1039037;1425332203;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: Are you not Russian male? 1039038;1425332211;ascii_field;aha 1039039;1425332217;mircea_popescu;trinque no, it's up there with some soi-dissant feminist derps writing a book on the "women in Marines history" 1039040;1425332226;ascii_field;can you picture a worse thing for applying to nsa ? 1039041;1425332239;mircea_popescu;sure. uzbeki. 1039042;1425332247;ascii_field;l0l 1039043;1425332251;trinque;mircea_popescu: seems backwards, haw 1039044;1425332255;mircea_popescu;there's always something worse than being russian 1039045;1425332259;mircea_popescu;and it's generally in the caucasus. 1039046;1425332267;ascii_field;just wait till somebody hooks up the uzbeks with the 'racism racket' 1039047;1425332298;ascii_field;didn't happen with chechen because they look (to americans - of course) like ordinary europeans 1039048;1425332311;mircea_popescu;of course, by his own admission general k alexander failed pretty hard huh ? 1039049;1425332364;mircea_popescu;no scoopbot, no peterl... 1039050;1425332374;mircea_popescu;im guessing this is getting marked for redoing. 1039051;1425332377;mircea_popescu;also version 3. 1039052;1425332400;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl do you measure the scoobot uptime at all ? 1039053;1425332401;gabriel_laddel;can you picture a worse thing for applying to nsa ? << Is there something 'wrong' with Russians? 1039054;1425332401;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1039055;1425332402;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: have the pets learn ada 1039056;1425332423;gabriel_laddel;!up ascii_field 1039057;1425332452;gabriel_laddel;outside of the communism thing, I'm unaware of them being generally stupid, failing to create and maintain civilization etc. 1039058;1425332456;mircea_popescu;ascii_field btw, am i getting a letter here ? 1039059;1425332465;trinque;gabriel_laddel: surely that cold war paranoia still exists at the upper ranks 1039060;1425332465;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes! soon as i get back home 1039061;1425332473;trinque;doesn't seem like the cold war ever ended 1039062;1425332475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40650 @ 0.00041059 = 16.6905 BTC [+] {2} 1039063;1425332477;gabriel_laddel;trinque: lol so instead we'll hire disabled people 1039064;1425332480;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel they are generally stupid, it's the exceptions that save them 1039065;1425332481;gabriel_laddel;that'll help 1039066;1425332483;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: definitely letter 1039067;1425332486;trinque;gabriel_laddel: it's only fair 1039068;1425332492;mircea_popescu;and historically, they're mostly hard at work trying to stomp those exceptions out. 1039069;1425332500;mircea_popescu;ascii_field cool 1039070;1425332511;ascii_field;i'll spoil a little of it: manufacturing samples arriving sometime late this wk. or early next 1039071;1425332524;mircea_popescu;dun spoil lol 1039072;1425332549;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I mean, Germans are "generally stupid" too, but when compared to e.g. disabled people. 1039073;1425332572;mircea_popescu;disabled people are actually (rightfully) esteemed in the trade. 1039074;1425332619;mircea_popescu;!rate deedbot- 1 it's the deed bot. 1039075;1425332619;assbot;deedbot- is not registered in WoT. 1039076;1425332629;mircea_popescu;trinque register it so it can selfvoice. 1039077;1425332645;davout;did i hear "manufacturing samples"?? 1039078;1425332654;ascii_field;davout: yes you did 1039079;1425332682;ascii_field;davout: found an outfit with fully robotic assembly line (see log) 1039080;1425332713;ascii_field;if i'm satisfied with result, will have them place the passives for the initial run 1039081;1425332724;ascii_field;(i'd still prefer to mount the cpu here) 1039082;1425332730;mircea_popescu;trinque http://deedbot.org/345887-1KCNmvz54BygVgDd1PiAVaBjrYQE8A2imH.txt << this bundled display model is no good. one clickable entry per item plox. 1039083;1425332731;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18GduKf ) 1039084;1425332759;mircea_popescu;Something like Block #4534 - deed gldfjg lfdkjgldf fdlkjglfd etc. 1039085;1425332779;trinque;mircea_popescu: ah so publish as a bundle, but then upload the parts separate? 1039086;1425332819;trinque;by publish I mean, publish the hash txn 1039087;1425332844;mircea_popescu;not clear what those words mean, so let's be explicit : as far as the website is concerned, the preferred display is for every block that included a bundle to be listed, clickable, lead to bundle. to the right of it, enumerated, the individual deeds that were therein bundled 1039088;1425332871;trinque;yes that 1039089;1425332872;mircea_popescu;make sense ? 1039090;1425332873;trinque;sounds good 1039091;1425332875;mircea_popescu;cool. 1039092;1425333207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 6500 @ 0.00027068 = 1.7594 BTC [-] 1039093;1425333623;kakobrekla;http://cbsn.cbsnews.com/ some live lol i hear 1039094;1425333624;assbot; CBSN - Live Streaming Video News Channel - CBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/18Ggne0 ) 1039095;1425333650;kakobrekla;eh the truck just stopped 1039096;1425333855;kakobrekla;missed all the fun 1039097;1425333965;mircea_popescu;aww. 1039098;1425334061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0004056 = 15.6562 BTC [-] 1039099;1425334188;kakobrekla;myea 1039100;1425334272;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu> trinque register it so it can selfvoice. < normally chanserv ops bots 1039101;1425334281;mircea_popescu;or that. 1039102;1425334281;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field 1039103;1425334333;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field 1039104;1425334367;ascii_field;for gentoo/ada folks: that overlay actually -works- 1039105;1425334385;ascii_field;(does anyone other than me care?) 1039106;1425334408;mircea_popescu;what difference does it make ? we have a posterity! 1039107;1425334416;*;gabriel_laddel cares 1039108;1425334763;gabriel_laddel;Alright, I'm off to lunch. 1039109;1425334765;gabriel_laddel;.asianbait 1039110;1425334767;gabriel_laddel;http://imgur.com/l83kTEJ 1039111;1425334768;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2ax30 ) 1039112;1425334770;gabriel_laddel;http://imgur.com/t5Gffge 1039113;1425334771;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2axzK ) 1039114;1425334818;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabriel_laddel you know, japanese chicks and chicks of obvious caucasian parentage do not count. we're talking chinese here. 1039115;1425334818;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1039116;1425334985;ascii_field;why not jp 1039117;1425335037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00041417 = 1.139 BTC [+] 1039118;1425335139;mircea_popescu;cuz japanese chicks are pretty hawt. 1039119;1425335147;ascii_field;well yes 1039120;1425335159;ascii_field;and if they invented food in china, they could also make them 1039121;1425335192;mircea_popescu;you think they're ugly because they eat shit ? 1039122;1425335199;ascii_field;aha 1039123;1425335205;mircea_popescu;what a revolutionary concept. 1039124;1425335208;mircea_popescu;also the usians ? 1039125;1425335224;ascii_field;u.s. vector - same magnitude, different direction 1039126;1425335239;BingoBoingo;!b 6 1039127;1425335239;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3G4BJC1.txt ) 1039128;1425335239;mircea_popescu;im happy i found this chan >D 1039129;1425335525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0004056 = 4.8266 BTC [-] 1039130;1425335830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52550 @ 0.00039996 = 21.0179 BTC [-] {2} 1039131;1425336864;mircea_popescu;lol btc trading 270s ? 1039132;1425336867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00039124 = 18.936 BTC [-] {2} 1039133;1425337131;kakobrekla;just like many times before 1039134;1425337155;jurov;;;ticker --market all 1039135;1425337161;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 272.87, vol: 17302.45187504 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 265.5, vol: 13947.73285 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 273.9, vol: 63493.51213183 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 273.041042, vol: 151124.09350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 271.36702, vol: 53.89339839 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 273.9835, vol: 260.64249601 | Volume-weighted last average: 272.823941935 1039136;1425337879;thestringpuller;and so it begins 1039137;1425338575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25281 @ 0.00039121 = 9.8902 BTC [-] 1039138;1425338647;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.495 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 47.34535957 BTC. Current weight: 77,360. 1039139;1425338941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130731 @ 0.0003907 = 51.0766 BTC [-] {4} 1039140;1425339002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27369 @ 0.00038697 = 10.591 BTC [-] 1039141;1425339199;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/europol-bitcoin-will-intersect-with-organised-crime-political-movements-technology-others/ 1039142;1425339230;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/9eb6cdeaf10cd64831eddd709be1b978/tumblr_nesm0ikc2N1sprsiqo1_1280.jpg 1039143;1425339231;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPkeiS ) 1039144;1425339305;mircea_popescu;and on the same line, http://33.media.tumblr.com/8bfd385ccdbdc65f71e0edc5013a3e00/tumblr_n67918ggcM1sprsiqo2_400.gif 1039145;1425339308;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPkr5V ) 1039146;1425339610;BingoBoingo;!up johndoe__ 1039147;1425340223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15468 @ 0.00040223 = 6.2217 BTC [+] 1039148;1425340590;jurov;um...masturbating while inside vagina? 1039149;1425340597;jurov;these heteros..... 1039150;1425343145;mike_c;;;calc 1950 / 8.14 1039151;1425343145;gribble;239.557739558 1039152;1425343352;mike_c;maybe i won't get the worst price of everyone for the conference. 1039153;1425343517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66045 @ 0.00038871 = 25.6724 BTC [-] {2} 1039154;1425345164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42313 @ 0.00038694 = 16.3726 BTC [-] {2} 1039155;1425345835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00038693 = 5.9781 BTC [-] 1039156;1425346994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00039096 = 15.9512 BTC [+] 1039157;1425347116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78800 @ 0.00040449 = 31.8738 BTC [+] {4} 1039158;1425347312;BingoBoingo;So... Anyone here know chinese? Good enought to translate a Hand complete police report? 1039159;1425347477;mike_c;pretty easy to get it translated. i'll take care of it if you'd like. 1039160;1425348070;cazalla;mike_c, i'll pm you 1039161;1425348733;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/03/havelock-still-offline/#comment-12393 << Havelock is up 1039162;1425348734;assbot;Havelock Still Offline | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BQiEQK ) 1039163;1425348824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00038275 = 21.0321 BTC [-] {4} 1039164;1425348998;mircea_popescu; these heteros..... << lmao jurov wins 1039165;1425349231;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/d4824f2303ae26c71cd1cf7bd2bebd5d/tumblr_mzowfg1d3g1sqn821o1_1280.jpg << metamorphosis 1039166;1425349233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BQjxc3 ) 1039167;1425349373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88550 @ 0.00040312 = 35.6963 BTC [+] 1039168;1425349526;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: turdogram sent 1039169;1425349651;decimation;asciilifeform: it amuses me that there are fans of ada in ru 1039170;1425349658;asciilifeform;decimation: why ? 1039171;1425349672;decimation;I guess it flows with your 'foreign warez' theory 1039172;1425349680;decimation;because it's a us mil standard 1039173;1425349763;asciilifeform;decimation: i've no personal knowledge of american ada 'warez' being used in ru (PL/I, oddly enough - yes) 1039174;1425349792;asciilifeform;decimation: but it appears that the thing is genuinely popular among the very small but very well-paid set of folks who write programs that -actually have to work- 1039175;1425349815;asciilifeform;as for the compiler, it's been part of vanilla gcc for years. 1039176;1425349828;decimation;yeah, ru has an outsized (normalized by bezzle gdp) aerospace industry 1039177;1425349871;asciilifeform;(there's a 'bleeding edge' version pushed out by ada foundation, which slowly merges back into gcc, as i understand. that version is also gpl, but the standard lib is also gpl - unlike the gcc ada, where it is lgpl) 1039178;1425349916;asciilifeform;ada is also used in the banking sector (the only countries for which i have strong clues of this being the fact are ch and ua) 1039179;1425349997;asciilifeform;programmers (esp. ones who see it on the net one time, rather than using seriously) exquisitely hate it. the users, on the other hand, whose 'boeing' stays up and who never have to learn that the program exists at all - love it. 1039180;1425350045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: b-n should be c-n in turdogram 1039181;1425350051;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dunno how i missed that 1039182;1425350090;decimation;speaking of which https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S-Cggs1jOo < video tour of a 777 engineering/electronics bay while in flight 1039183;1425350092;assbot;777 E/E Bay - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17MjBMb ) 1039184;1425350099;decimation;note that it is placed in the first class cabin 1039185;1425350138;decimation;there's some conspiracy theorists who believe that the missing malaysian 777 might have been a heist pulled off by guys who busted into the engineering bay and messed with the electronics 1039186;1425350189;decimation;skip to 5:00 to see the portable terminal that can be connected to the equipment for in-flight troubleshooting 1039187;1425350215;asciilifeform;lol, no lock 1039188;1425350265;decimation;in theory, if you knew what you were doing, you could break into that bay and 'pilot' the plane from there 1039189;1425350379;*;asciilifeform like a t0t4l n00b, always assumed that junk lives in the cockpit, under the dashboard 1039190;1425350406;decimation;it depends, some of it is 1039191;1425350437;decimation;the cockpit is mostly 'remote front panels' in modern planes to my knowledge 1039192;1425350479;decimation;plus there are various databuses the connect the plane. supposedly on new planes they are moving to a special form of ethernet, strangely enough 1039193;1425350515;decimation;http://www.cwc-ae.com/air-data-systems-computers/network-switches < avionics grade ethernet switch 1039194;1425350518;assbot;Airborne Network Switches | Avionics Ethernet Switch | CWC-AE ... ( http://bit.ly/17MkG6H ) 1039195;1425351569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00038092 = 20.9316 BTC [-] 1039196;1425352394;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/amhash-reports-theft-bitcoin-mining-equipment/ 1039197;1425352484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00038092 = 8.4374 BTC [-] 1039198;1425352709;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/amhash-reports-theft-of-bitcoin-mining-equipment/ 1039199;1425352710;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/europol-bitcoin-will-intersect-with-organised-crime-political-movements-technology-others/ 1039200;1425352748;cazalla;just because you missed some earlier, doesn't mean you can repeat newer ones to make up for it scoopbot 1039201;1425353033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24425 @ 0.00038092 = 9.304 BTC [-] 1039202;1425353498;decimation;!seen peterL 1039203;1425353505;decimation;;;seen peterl 1039204;1425353505;gribble;peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: !up hktud0 1039205;1425353527;decimation;!up yhwh_ 1039206;1425353550;decimation;!up teward 1039207;1425353565;decimation;!up punkman 1039208;1425353970;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-february-2015-statement/ 1039209;1425354802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00038006 = 28.2765 BTC [-] {2} 1039210;1425355125;asciilifeform;woah scoopbot... works 1039211;1425355128;asciilifeform;amazing! 1039212;1425355128;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1039213;1425355283;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000055.html 1039214;1425355284;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNKCVN ) 1039215;1425355290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73700 @ 0.00037974 = 27.9868 BTC [-] {4} 1039216;1425355390;asciilifeform;mod6: neato! 1039217;1425355412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00039881 = 16.5905 BTC [+] 1039218;1425355463;ben_vulpes;mod6: deed it up? 1039219;1425355473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00037874 = 26.8148 BTC [-] {3} 1039220;1425355534;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, others: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/financial-collapse-leads-to-war.html << on the subject of usg's habit of losing wars 1039221;1425355535;assbot;ClubOrlov: Financial collapse leads to war ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNLSrH ) 1039222;1425355612;asciilifeform;'Looking at this broad landscape of failure, there are two ways to interpret it. One is that the US officialdom is the most incompetent one imaginable, and can't ever get anything right. But another is that they do not succeed for a distinctly different reason: they don't succeed because results don't matter. You see, if failure were a problem, then there would be some sort of pressure coming from somewhere or other within the 1039223;1425355612;asciilifeform; establishment, and that pressure to succeed might sporadically give rise to improved performance, leading to at least a few instances of success. But if in fact failure is no problem at all, and if instead there was some sort of pressure to fail, then we would see exactly what we do see.' 1039224;1425355814;mod6;deedbot-: add-deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000055.html 1039225;1425355815;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNNnq0 ) 1039226;1425355853;mod6;how do you view the deeds? 1039227;1425355941;trinque;!up deedbot- 1039228;1425355957;trinque;mod6: they go out once an hour to deedbot.org 1039229;1425355966;mod6;sweet, thx 1039230;1425355982;trinque;mod6: for now you'll need to stick things on dpaste to get deedbot to eat them 1039231;1425355987;trinque;I'm going to fix that in a bit 1039232;1425356009;mod6;ok 1039233;1425356033;trinque;mod6: you'll also need to add your key with add-key the same way 1039234;1425356042;trinque;as a dpaste 1039235;1425356077;mod6;the entire pub-key or just a fingerprint? 1039236;1425356085;trinque;mod6: the pubkey itself 1039237;1425356103;trinque;though I can take eating key fingerprints as a feature request 1039238;1425356127;mod6;i think the whole thing is fine 1039239;1425356128;trinque;I'm going to make it just deedbot- http://dpaste/whatever.txt too 1039240;1425356133;mod6;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC 1039241;1425356134;assbot;dpaste: 1QX85DC ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNOQg3 ) 1039242;1425356142;trinque;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1039243;1425356143;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNORR5 ) 1039244;1425356144;deedbot-;imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF 1039245;1425356150;mod6;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/0ZSET3M 1039246;1425356151;assbot;dpaste: 0ZSET3M ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNOW7k ) 1039247;1425356151;trinque;needs the non HTML page 1039248;1425356151;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1039249;1425356159;trinque;mod6: same deal there, add .txt 1039250;1425356169;mod6;ah 1039251;1425356173;trinque;I also have a mental ticket for that 1039252;1425356180;mod6;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1039253;1425356181;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNP6vp ) 1039254;1425356182;deedbot-;imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF 1039255;1425356192;mod6;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/0ZSET3M.txt 1039256;1425356194;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNPbiJ ) 1039257;1425356194;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1039258;1425356222;trinque;interesting, let me see if I can verify that signature myself 1039259;1425356234;mod6;ok 1039260;1425356244;trinque;what key signed that? 1039261;1425356292;mod6;that same key 1039262;1425356299;mod6;that i just imported to deedbot 1039263;1425356306;mod6;my otc key 1039264;1425356378;trinque;indeed, something else is wrong 1039265;1425356387;trinque;I'll fix it and then publish that for you 1039266;1425356419;mod6;np. but you were able to verify the sig of the Monthy Address yourself right? I checked it and it verified for me just fine... 1039267;1425356433;trinque;mod6: correct, it verified for me by hand 1039268;1425356444;mod6;cool. thanks for your work on deedbot :] 1039269;1425356455;trinque;no problemo! 1039270;1425357041;mircea_popescu;scoopbot -fetch 1039271;1425357065;mircea_popescu;meh only takes the latest one huh 1039272;1425357181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00039904 = 13.9664 BTC [+] {2} 1039273;1425357242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101082 @ 0.00040986 = 41.4295 BTC [+] {2} 1039274;1425357286;trinque;mod6: lol I filled the disk doing an emerge -uDN @world 1039275;1425357287;trinque;one sec 1039276;1425357343;mircea_popescu;"Egypt has been democratically reformed into a military dictatorship. " 1039277;1425357372;mircea_popescu;lol. then again, egypt was a military dictatorship under the mubarak dude, who wrested egypt in a coup from the... previous military dictator. 1039278;1425357380;mircea_popescu;place's gotta do what it's gotta do. 1039279;1425357395;decimation;what about $bil's of bezzle? that helps too 1039280;1425357442;decimation;http://www.andreas-unterberger.at/2013/05/buecherverbrennungen-damals-und-heute/ < good quote "Johannes Gross, einer der klügsten deutschen Journalisten, schrieb: „Je länger das Dritte Reich tot ist, umso stärker wird der Widerstand gegen Hitler und die Seinen.â€" 1039281;1425357443;assbot;Bücherverbrennungen damals und heute ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNUqyP ) 1039282;1425357522;mircea_popescu;uh. 1039283;1425357529;mircea_popescu;im not even sure what that's supposed to mean 1039284;1425357545;decimation;Johannes Gross, one of the smartest German journalists, wrote: The longer the third reich is dead, the greater the resistance against hitler and his ilk becomes" 1039285;1425357572;decimation;the point is that being anti-nazi is easy and super popular today 1039286;1425357575;mircea_popescu;but i mean... 1039287;1425357576;decimation;not so much in 1943 1039288;1425357581;mircea_popescu;this is patently untrue. 1039289;1425357597;mircea_popescu;being anti-nazi was the thing in 1943. today... would you not fuck a nazi ? 1039290;1425357609;decimation;heh 1039291;1425357619;decimation;in berlin it's otherwise 1039292;1425357638;mircea_popescu;you know, berlin women got raped by the soviets mostly. 1039293;1425357659;mircea_popescu;and that's quite similar : the soviets were impopular in 1990, more so than in 2010. 1039294;1425357677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's at least rethorically seductive, this theory. "the us is basically emo, it wants to fail." 1039295;1425357716;decimation;yeah but I don't think it 'wants to fail' because of a secret cabal of financiers 1039296;1425357730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8218 @ 0.00041114 = 3.3787 BTC [+] 1039297;1425357736;thestringpuller;lol mircea_popescu there is not going to be a test server for experimental anymore? 1039298;1425357754;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller not open. 1039299;1425357756;decimation;I think it wants to fail because it cannot imagine otherwise 1039300;1425357765;mircea_popescu;well... being emo, right ? 1039301;1425357770;mircea_popescu;failure is oddly satisfying. 1039302;1425357803;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what about the future assets pipeline? that going to be rolled straight into beta server? 1039303;1425357830;mircea_popescu;nope 1039304;1425357838;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 'eulora accounts' << "isambard vulpes" sil vous plait 1039305;1425357850;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes defo. 1039306;1425357897;decimation;ben_vulpes: if you ever end up in london you can visit Herr Brunel's tunnel 1039307;1425357909;mod6;trinque: heheh. np. 1039308;1425357917;mircea_popescu;"Now, supposing a financial oligarchy has seized control of the country, and, since it can't control its own appetites" such nonsense. what appetites ? 1039309;1425357923;mircea_popescu;i got more harems than horowitz. 1039310;1425357992;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you ever heard of TurboSquid? 1039311;1425357997;mircea_popescu;nop. 1039312;1425358024;ben_vulpes;decimation: next time i'm in london i expect to see all sorts of historical engineering bits 1039313;1425358031;mircea_popescu;"Military success is unimportant, because failure is even better for maintaining order by forcing through various emergency security measures than success." << this is known as the "north korea" versio of us future. because obviously best kim is in a state of imagined war with an imagined world. 1039314;1425358035;mircea_popescu;it seems improbable, but hey. 1039315;1425358049;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: now for to find some time to 'play' 'games' 1039316;1425358061;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes consider it gambling. 1039317;1425358138;mircea_popescu;Political collapse will be resisted, and the way it will be resisted is by starting as many wars as possible, to produce a vast backdrop of failure to serve as a rationale for all sorts of “emergency measures,” << i said this a number of times, but it bears repeating : if this happens every usg employee, past or present, hangs by his guts. 1039318;1425358149;mircea_popescu;that is a literal rather than metaphorical description. 1039319;1425358238;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: pretty sure you've described the bitcoin version of it here: http://trilema.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/ 1039320;1425358265;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller "bitcoin version of it' what ? 1039321;1425358300;decimation;you know after the national convention took over and started calling for massive troop levies, the Vendée rose up with pitchforks and starting executing anyone who appeared to be a revolutionary 1039322;1425358300;thestringpuller;" strategically speaking I intend to create a digital services marketplace, and would very much like to use the large and varied needs of Eulora acquisition to seed that platform" 1039323;1425358314;thestringpuller;That pretty much is turbosquid just, with USD. 1039324;1425358348;decimation;this happened mere months after the revolution was proclaimed to be 'of the people', 'for human rights', 'freedom', etc 1039325;1425358354;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller aha. 1039326;1425358369;mircea_popescu;unless turbosquid guy shows up in wot turbosquid dun exist. 1039327;1425358376;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: well that doesn't sound like any fun now 1039328;1425358383;mircea_popescu;decimation this is true. 1039329;1425358389;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes im tryin to help. 1039330;1425358417;decimation;so my question is: why doesn't this happen in the us - all sorts of crazy 'reforms' are pushed down by the center 1039331;1425358420;ben_vulpes;"don't put yr pennies down, kid. you'll just lose 'em". 1039332;1425358480;mircea_popescu;decimation probably because no instructive website yet ? 1039333;1425358486;mircea_popescu;same reason dating's so hard 1039334;1425358495;decimation;and another question: is it possible for a universal suffrage democracy to tolerate actual dissent? 1039335;1425358523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61826 @ 0.00040895 = 25.2837 BTC [-] {4} 1039336;1425358543;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: this raises and interesting question, hypothetically TurboSquid is WoT endorsed company. Would the artists be required to be WoT endorsed too? 1039337;1425358556;mircea_popescu;well yeah. 1039338;1425358585;asciilifeform;a 'turbosquid' ought not to be anything but a powered, peristaltic, multi-tentacular autodildatron. 1039339;1425358603;mircea_popescu;why hate the celenterate! 1039340;1425358615;asciilifeform;pet: 'i agree with this statement' 1039341;1425358650;ben_vulpes;peristaltic! 1039342;1425358653;ben_vulpes;? 1039343;1425358656;ben_vulpes;turbo?! 1039344;1425358658;ben_vulpes;no.d 1039345;1425358661;mircea_popescu;peristalsis is a bowel movement. 1039346;1425358662;ben_vulpes;a million times no. 1039347;1425358689;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is not thinking of the rest of anatomy 1039348;1425358695;asciilifeform;not only bowel 1039349;1425358723;asciilifeform;anyway, travelling-wave dildo doesn't seem to exist, and i never knew why 1039350;1425358727;mircea_popescu;well just like infarction without further specification is cardiac infarction... 1039351;1425358817;ben_vulpes;traveling wave dildo? 1039352;1425358821;asciilifeform;(much unexplored design space in dildonics. for instance, a cylindrical/topologically-toroidal 'conveyor' with belt that recirculates through inner hollow, could product impression of infinite length) 1039353;1425358828;asciilifeform;*produce 1039354;1425358852;ben_vulpes;i think augur designs exist approximating this. 1039355;1425358863;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: auger ? 1039356;1425358864;ben_vulpes;but you'll have to tell me how effective they are, asciilifeform. 1039357;1425358877;ben_vulpes;yes, yes. 1039358;1425358878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, i actually had this design made, and tried on live girls. 1039359;1425358889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00037831 = 14.7163 BTC [-] 1039360;1425358892;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ! 1039361;1425358898;asciilifeform;how'd it go?! 1039362;1425358913;asciilifeform;and which - toroidal, or wave ? 1039363;1425358913;mircea_popescu;best intro to fisting. 1039364;1425358926;mircea_popescu;basically a flatish torus, looks like a cylinder from outside 1039365;1425358984;asciilifeform;don't suppose a photo was published ? 1039366;1425358999;mircea_popescu;was not. fucking complicated even without involving the cameras. 1039367;1425359035;mircea_popescu;its main advantage tho, is that it reduces any need for friction. 1039368;1425359036;asciilifeform;damnit, here i was, thinking i'd actually invented something useful, l0l 1039369;1425359058;mircea_popescu;well what, invented a geometric shape ? 1039370;1425359068;mircea_popescu;it's not 500bc anymore, you know. 1039371;1425359070;asciilifeform;neh 1039372;1425359078;asciilifeform;the idea of toroidal 'belt sander' as dildatron 1039373;1425359088;mircea_popescu;more like track than belt sander rly. 1039374;1425359185;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, http://31.media.tumblr.com/657bb727d9237bf557266ca15de00fa5/tumblr_n8uf9fngfP1qb139no1_400.gif 1039375;1425359189;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn3Rwm ) 1039376;1425359206;mircea_popescu;no, actually, i got a much better one. http://38.media.tumblr.com/0eed9dc2858247e231736ceb94b53e0e/tumblr_ncmqux4dvb1s11mtco1_400.gif 1039377;1425359207;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn3SR6 ) 1039378;1425359208;mircea_popescu;PERISTALSIS! 1039379;1425359250;asciilifeform;the subject on the right looks like an anthropomorphic 'cock'n'balls' 1039380;1425359259;asciilifeform;very mindfuck 1039381;1425359451;trinque;mod6: uploaded at http://deedbot.org/345939-1B3Sfa4h9hTPweMuCKPYyHQ9kH6ij3Zkwn.txt 1039382;1425359452;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn4INA ) 1039383;1425359861;mod6;trinque: awesome thanks! 1039384;1425360597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43134 @ 0.00037724 = 16.2719 BTC [-] {3} 1039385;1425360841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 9132 @ 0.00027068 = 2.4718 BTC [-] 1039386;1425361872;mircea_popescu;til yahoo owns tumblr 1039387;1425361893;thestringpuller;? 1039388;1425362854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106608 @ 0.00041472 = 44.2125 BTC [+] {2} 1039389;1425363445;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/infinitum.gif 1039390;1425363450;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nb7Uzd ) 1039391;1425363463;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1039392;1425363476;asciilifeform;srsly !?! 1039393;1425363481;mircea_popescu;yep 1039394;1425363498;asciilifeform;the 64-quintillion-zimbabwollar question being, 1039395;1425363502;asciilifeform;which direction did they prefer 1039396;1425363509;asciilifeform;infinitum-in or infinitum-out 1039397;1425363525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97594 @ 0.00041605 = 40.604 BTC [+] {2} 1039398;1425363844;asciilifeform;'peristaltic' version is exactly the above, except the track is of non-uniform thickness (roughly sinusoidal along its length) 1039399;1425363891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00041174 = 6.6908 BTC [-] 1039400;1425363972;asciilifeform;and there is no reason why this apparatus - or a slightly scaled down one - could not function as a 'milking machine' 1039401;1425363977;cazalla;mircea_popescu, that is ofn and yahoo paid a pretty penny from memory 1039402;1425364010;*;asciilifeform had the idea roughly a decade ago, but no application. 1039403;1425364047;mircea_popescu;cazalla seems so yea 1039404;1425364348;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1039405;1425364511;asciilifeform;decimation: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system << lulzies ! 1039406;1425364513;assbot;Federal Register | Special Conditions: Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER Series Airplanes; Aircraft Electronic System Security Protection From Unauthorized Internal Access ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKMNPP ) 1039407;1425364557;asciilifeform;'The proposed architecture is novel or unusual for commercial transport airplanes by enabling connection to previously isolated data networks connected to systems that perform functions required for the safe operation of the airplane.' 1039408;1425364573;asciilifeform;(Monday, November 18, 2013) 1039409;1425364793;Vexual;why can't i catch a nuke sub to somewhere? 1039410;1425364856;cazalla;Vexual, we don't have em here do we? 1039411;1425364870;Vexual;nope, we can't even make a canoe 1039412;1425364920;Vexual;we do, but they are very noisy 1039413;1425364938;cazalla;collins class? they are diesel 1039414;1425364947;Vexual;yah, right 1039415;1425364952;asciilifeform;http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/02/13/faa-says-commercial-drone-operators-need-exemption-but-doesnt-prosecute-those-flying-without-one << official liar lies, suddenly making the story considerably more interesting 1039416;1425364953;assbot;FAA Says Commercial Drone Operators Need Exemption. But Doesn't Prosecute Those Flying Without One. - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKObBK ) 1039417;1425364967;Vexual;its an and or thing 1039418;1425364968;asciilifeform;these fuckwads can't just shut up, it seems 1039419;1425364986;asciilifeform;wrong link 1039420;1425365028;asciilifeform;http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/02/25/hijacking-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-from-electronics-bay-not-possible 1039421;1425365030;assbot;Hijacking Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 From Electronics Bay? Not Possible. - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKOsoz ) 1039422;1425365032;asciilifeform;^ correct link 1039423;1425365106;ben_vulpes;Vexual: you're a...nuke canoe! nuke canoe! 1039424;1425365330;*;Vexual checks an app cannon on the horizon 1039425;1425365567;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: those girls were south korean iirc 1039426;1425365588;gabriel_laddel;anyways, all chinese girls are ugly? 1039427;1425365593;gabriel_laddel;nonsense 1039428;1425365597;gabriel_laddel;.chinabait 1039429;1425365602;Vexual;lol 1039430;1425365636;Vexual;wanna buy a prisma? 1039431;1425365652;gabriel_laddel;http://imgur.com/m860SUq,Fnz6qrS 1039432;1425365653;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKQdBZ ) 1039433;1425365661;gabriel_laddel;http://imgur.com/m860SUq,Fnz6qrS#1 1039434;1425365662;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKQc0R ) 1039435;1425365681;gabriel_laddel;^ she is Chinese. 1039436;1425365688;Vexual;no shit 1039437;1425365697;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: take'em to usa and feed for six months or so (not longer!) 1039438;1425365723;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: nah, the Chinese have a class system thing going on. 1039439;1425365729;cazalla;gabriel_laddel, 2nd looks a bit haggard 1039440;1425365731;gabriel_laddel;they elites eat well 1039441;1425365738;gabriel_laddel;lol it's the same girl 1039442;1425365747;Vexual;cazalla, shes evidently pretty 1039443;1425365759;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: complicated. phytoestrogens in rice, soy are part of the story 1039444;1425365768;gabriel_laddel;and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo 1039445;1425365768;asciilifeform;so not purely matter of malnutrition 1039446;1425365778;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: ah, do elaborate 1039447;1425365781;cazalla;gabriel_laddel, did ya bang her? 1039448;1425365784;gabriel_laddel;no 1039449;1425365787;*;asciilifeform bedtime 1039450;1425365799;*;asciilifeform invites interested readers to carry out own inquiries 1039451;1425365806;gabriel_laddel;lame 1039452;1425365812;cazalla;my missus has a china doll in her mum's group, she is one of the best chinese women i've seen and we have truckloads of em here down under 1039453;1425365861;gabriel_laddel;pics? 1039454;1425365897;ben_vulpes;A PETE 1039455;1425365900;cazalla;gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P 1039456;1425365908;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: thanks for that adams short. 1039457;1425365919;ben_vulpes;i read it to lady v on our morning stroll for great lulz. 1039458;1425365928;gabriel_laddel;cazalla: wtf is this 'asking' you speak of 1039459;1425365945;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: ha! she enjoyed it i take it ? 1039460;1425365951;ben_vulpes;cazalla: yeah, just crack open the girl's facebook 1039461;1425365965;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: and if she hadn't it'd have been educational regardless 1039462;1425365981;ben_vulpes;wait hang on there was context for this conversation 1039463;1425366005;cazalla;gabriel_laddel, maybe one day if she moves away or they're no longer friends but would be a bit strange for me to share pics of her on irc 1039464;1425366070;gabriel_laddel;lolk. I'm sorta half joking (and sorta half not). 1039465;1425366083;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56gpwl6cohc 1039466;1425366088;ben_vulpes;i'm not 1039467;1425366093;ben_vulpes;cazalla: come now, nobody knows who you are or the girls are 1039468;1425366113;gabriel_laddel;lol 1039469;1425366132;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/CWCOGkO 1039470;1425366133;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKRKbe ) 1039471;1425366153;pete_dushenski;lol perfect 1039472;1425366172;ben_vulpes;i see this sign every morning, yet this morning it brought to mind your...reprinting of the adams short. 1039473;1425366172;Vexual;strawberry dog poo petey 1039474;1425366187;pete_dushenski;the number of spoon-feeding, hand-holding signs present in the western world is atrocious 1039475;1425366222;gabriel_laddel;!up Vexual 1039476;1425366262;Vexual;thnaks gab 1039477;1425366271;pete_dushenski;douglas adams is a charming way of overcoming the rage 1039478;1425366286;Vexual;isn't he dead? 1039479;1425366300;pete_dushenski;yes 1039480;1425366303;pete_dushenski;"We are also in the process of forming partnerships with third parties in the industry; George, Jutta and myself managing this process; I’m happy to announce that at least three exchanges will be supporting Ether from day one on their trading platforms (details of which we’ll annouce soon), with more exchanges to follow." 1039481;1425366318;pete_dushenski;"I also finished the first draft of ICAP, the Ethereum Inter-exchange Client Address Protocol, an IBAN-compatible system for referencing and transacting to client accounts aimed to streamline the process of transfering funds, worry-free between exchanges and, ultimately, make KYC and AML pains a thing of the past." 1039482;1425366335;pete_dushenski;"Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format†and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter providing h 1039483;1425366335;pete_dushenski;assle-free state-change reporting." 1039484;1425366388;pete_dushenski;Since our blockchain has a number of important differences with the Bitcoin blockchain (mainly in transaction density), stemming from the extremely short 12s block time we’re aiming for, we would have to use not the blockchain data itself like Hashimoto but rather an artifcially created dataset, done with an algorithm known as Dagger (yes, some will remember it as Vitalik’s first and flawed attempt at a memo 1039485;1425366388;pete_dushenski;ry-hard proof-of-work). 1039486;1425366389;pete_dushenski;While this looked like a good direction to be going in, a swift audit of Vitalik and Matt’s initial algorithm by Tim Hughes (ex-Director of Technology at Frontier Developments and expert in low-level CPU and GPU operation and optimisation) showed major flaws. " 1039487;1425366416;pete_dushenski;"When deep in nitty gritty of development you sometimes forget quite how world-altering the technology you’re creating is, which is probably just as well since the gravity of the matter at hand would be continually distracting. " 1039488;1425366427;pete_dushenski;via https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/03/02/gavs-ethereum-d%CE%BEv-update-v/ 1039489;1425366428;assbot; | Gav's Ethereum DEV Update ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKSLQL ) 1039490;1425366434;gabriel_laddel;die 1039491;1425366445;pete_dushenski;the above quotes being for posterity 1039492;1425366452;pete_dushenski;and lulz 1039493;1425366476;pete_dushenski;given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant 1039494;1425366520;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/ << march 15, 2015 1039495;1425366522;assbot;A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKT3XF ) 1039496;1425366882;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6JYzOjglBs 1039497;1425366939;ben_vulpes;ah cool 1039498;1425366954;ben_vulpes;so they baked "free usg thermorecal exams" into the protocol 1039499;1425366964;ben_vulpes;thermorectal 1039500;1425366987;ben_vulpes;i can't even be fucking arsed. 1039501;1425366996;punkman;ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/CWCOGkO << I like it, but needs more shaming 1039502;1425366997;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKUwgC ) 1039503;1425367107;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: btw, many SK girls get plastic surgery to look more western. If you ever spend enough time with them you'll start to see the differences between koreans and 'koreans' 1039504;1425367191;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmugSMBh_iI 1039505;1425367429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00041134 = 10.9828 BTC [-] 1039506;1425367512;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJQSAiODqI 1039507;1425367961;punkman;http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/france-wants-companies-to-make-appliances-that-last-longer/2015/03/02/b39b326e-c0fa-11e4-a188-8e4971d37a8d_story.html 1039508;1425367962;assbot;France wants companies to make appliances that last longer - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcXo6h ) 1039509;1425367965;ben_vulpes;babe's got great tits 1039510;1425367993;ben_vulpes;pretty bad dancing in that video tho 1039511;1425368001;pete_dushenski;"Criminals in the US are using the new Apple Pay mobile payment system to buy high-value goods – often from Apple Stores – with stolen identities and credit card details." << le shock! 1039512;1425368057;pete_dushenski;"The crooks have not broken the secure encryption around Apple Pay’s fingerprint-activated wireless payment mechanism. Instead, they are setting up new iPhones with stolen personal information, and then calling banks to “provision†the victim’s card on the phone to use it to buy goods. " 1039513;1425368086;pete_dushenski;but it's somehow cash that's dangerous 1039514;1425368089;pete_dushenski;because reasons. 1039515;1425368110;punkman;http://berkshirehathaway.com/2014ar/linksannual14.html 1039516;1425368111;assbot;2014 Financial Statement XBRL Files and Annual Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKXEsR ) 1039517;1425368122;cazalla;who eats the chargeback? apple? 1039518;1425368222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116348 @ 0.00040555 = 47.1849 BTC [-] {4} 1039519;1425368241;pete_dushenski;cazalla: i'm guessing banks issuing the credit cards 1039520;1425368333;punkman;more likely whoever owns the apple store 1039521;1425368336;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/02/apple-pay-mobile-payment-system-scammers << for more details 1039522;1425368338;assbot;Apple Pay: a new frontier for scammers | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKYje1 ) 1039523;1425368363;pete_dushenski;"Abraham says: “Fraud in Apple Pay… came as a surprise to all†" << mhm. right. 1039524;1425368807;fluffypony;pete_dushenski: analogous to "The fraud came as a surprise. He seemed like such a nice guy. I definitely didn't expect him to scam anyone." 1039525;1425368840;pete_dushenski;yup. 'he had such a friendly smile' 1039526;1425368856;fluffypony;'as he stabbed me and raped my bloody corpse' 1039527;1425369547;mircea_popescu;i step away for one second and what happens! 1039528;1425369573;mircea_popescu;* ebit (rose@111.36.195.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets << why nobody ups noobs nomore! 1039529;1425369608;punkman;!up roseebit 1039530;1425369681;mircea_popescu;ello roseebit 1039531;1425369782;pete_dushenski;"Pete, you should either give your money to a qualified money manager or go back to work." << kids and their ideas about success 1039532;1425369803;mircea_popescu;cazalla / bingoboingo : just in case you were wondering where the ftp server went, turns out cpanel decided to upgrade stuff on the 23rd, failed to get pureftpd upgraded correctly, decided it's no longer needed and nuked it. 1039533;1425369806;mircea_popescu;i've had it resolved. 1039534;1425369807;pete_dushenski;'you've been a successful investor for 15 years but that was just luck so you should trust a random hobo now' 1039535;1425369820;mircea_popescu;o wait you have ? 1039536;1425369860;pete_dushenski;me ? ya 1039537;1425369895;mircea_popescu;15 years that means since you were what, 16 ? 1039538;1425369906;pete_dushenski;13 1039539;1425369911;chetty;can't be having people do things, must have experts and authorities run our lives you know 1039540;1425369938;pete_dushenski;and it was really more like 11, just rounding ;) 1039541;1425369946;mircea_popescu;respek ma autoritah! 1039542;1425369972;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx4jn77VKlQ 1039543;1425369973;assbot;Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnHhUs ) 1039544;1425369997;pete_dushenski;ya i started trading stocks on my parents' accounts before i was much interested in girls 1039545;1425370004;pete_dushenski;or maybe it was around the same time 1039546;1425370012;pete_dushenski;hmm, a theory developeth 1039547;1425370032;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lol 1039548;1425370103;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/23/how-the-adage-time-is-money-and-the-existence-of-google-prove-that-facebook-is-worth-less-than-dust/#comment-11997 << thread re: my unwarranted self-confidence as an investor 1039549;1425370105;assbot;How the adage “time is money†and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GL3HgY ) 1039550;1425370165;pete_dushenski;it's mostly that brandon morin derp again, he of 'nazis aren't socialists' fame 1039551;1425370194;pete_dushenski;well, as much 'fame' as random, non-WoT commenters on contravex can have 1039552;1425370235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151700 @ 0.0003749 = 56.8723 BTC [-] {4} 1039553;1425370255;ben_vulpes;two links for your review: 1039554;1425370258;ben_vulpes;http://reactionwheel.net/2015/01/80s-vc.html 1039555;1425370259;assbot;Heat Death: Venture Capital in the 1980s | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIBqg ) 1039556;1425370261;ben_vulpes;http://reactionwheel.net/2009/04/why-bankers-will-continue-to-make-just.html 1039557;1425370263;assbot;Why Bankers Will Continue to Make Just as Much as They Used To | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIzyT ) 1039558;1425370286;ben_vulpes;i've read them, found them interesting and full of insight, but submit them for the forum for my own education. 1039559;1425370321;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: to the second one, i reply 'bankers aren't the bad guys (tm)' 1039560;1425370358;pete_dushenski;relevant: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/19/bankers-arent-the-bad-guys/ 1039561;1425370359;assbot;Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnJ3oD ) 1039562;1425370397;*;pete_dushenski cuts himself off from more contravex links. that's enough for one evening. 1039563;1425370434;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ima read it. 1039564;1425370502;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039444 << oic! 1039565;1425370502;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 06:56:08; gabriel_laddel: and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo 1039566;1425370563;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: bankers being bad guys or not is really not part of the linked piece. 1039567;1425370585;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039455 << you can link her to source, so as to explain why you want em. im sure she'll love the logs :D 1039568;1425370585;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 06:58:20; cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P 1039569;1425370590;ben_vulpes;it's more about returns to "talent" vs return to equity. 1039570;1425370689;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: to my eye that article is about why the author doesn't like 'the market' 1039571;1425370751;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039482 << pass teh bud brothar. 1039572;1425370751;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 07:05:35; pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format†and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter 1039573;1425370751;pete_dushenski;when in fact that market is a result of too many and too perverse of regulations, not the result of a lack regulation 1039574;1425370822;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant << kinda irrelevant, seeing how NOBODY.ACTUALLY.BOUGHT. 1039575;1425370827;mircea_popescu;not as much as a dime's worth. 1039576;1425370834;mircea_popescu;for all the pretense that there's "investment" in this nonsense. 1039577;1425370902;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual 1039578;1425370907;*;pete_dushenski remembers 1039579;1425370917;*;Vexual remwmbers 1039580;1425370935;*;ben_vulpes has purged the scambuffer 1039581;1425370948;ben_vulpes;replaced it with dicks in blondes mouth 1039582;1425370955;Vexual;oooch 1039583;1425370965;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: "The money has to go somewhere" << this argument is also be based on 'the problem of too much money' 1039584;1425371006;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039515 xml xsd god have mercy. 1039585;1425371006;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 07:35:10; punkman: http://berkshirehathaway.com/2014ar/linksannual14.html 1039586;1425371007;pete_dushenski;the idea that bankers are inflating dollars of their own volition is a bit off 1039587;1425371013;mircea_popescu;they're going to publish their reports in wrigley next. 1039588;1425371025;pete_dushenski;on the inside of a silvery wrapper 1039589;1425371032;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.93535957 BTC. Current weight: 76,696. 1039590;1425371033;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0xpkk0yaQ 1039591;1425371044;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1039592;1425371091;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 276.06, Best ask: 276.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 276.06, 24 hour volume: 69390.59382616, 24 hour low: 258.98, 24 hour high: 279.92, 24 hour vwap: None 1039593;1425371104;pete_dushenski;"In an interview with Reuters, Obama said he was concerned about Beijing's plans for a far-reaching counterterrorism law that would require technology firms to hand over encryption keys, the passcodes that help protect data, and install security "backdoors" in their systems to give Chinese authorities surveillance access." << 'but it worked for the us (tm)' 1039594;1425371149;mircea_popescu;lol 1039595;1425371175;mircea_popescu;!up ebit_ 1039596;1425371189;mircea_popescu;for the record, being chinese doesn't make them special. they get as much access as obama gets. 1039597;1425371202;Vexual;here here 1039598;1425371213;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/aa13ad927f6b26d190b1d5440478a721/tumblr_nc9kj7QjZj1tq8yp3o1_1280.jpg 1039599;1425371214;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnMCLA ) 1039600;1425371239;Vexual;the lass is verily full 1039601;1425371242;pete_dushenski;7 months ? 1039602;1425371270;mircea_popescu;could be 10. 1039603;1425371283;Vexual;ripe 1039604;1425371286;pete_dushenski;if she were an elephant 1039605;1425371408;cazalla;mircea_popescu, lol nothing i say here would surprise the missus sharing pics of her friends would be one step too far, even for me 1039606;1425371465;cazalla;missed a , there 1039607;1425371528;mircea_popescu;well... i'll take your word re the babydoll then. 1039608;1425371549;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski the man is complaining about tin women ffs 1039609;1425371617;ben_vulpes;anyways as a point of data, it's year 1.5ish of this insane enterprise, and i'm just now beginning to approach the salary of a "programmer" in my geographic region. 1039610;1425371619;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1039611;1425371658;mircea_popescu;lol wd. 1039612;1425371725;Vexual;im on the same money as one year ago 1039613;1425371729;cazalla;the new australian chinese mums have a good scheme going on.. their mothers come here from china to cook/clean etc for a year so new mum can take it easy, explains why all all the other mums look tired but this china doll looks as good as ever 1039614;1425371755;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: dude on one hand i constantly bemoan this: 'oh if only i were just freelancing i'd be rolling in the dough' 1039615;1425371756;mircea_popescu;this is standard in sanity land. 1039616;1425371762;mircea_popescu;how it worked in romania of the 80s too. 1039617;1425371770;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaIZWjItReI 1039618;1425371781;ben_vulpes;and on the other hand, well, nominal equity in a thing? 1039619;1425371798;ben_vulpes;shit like... 1039620;1425371805;ben_vulpes;I don’t believe payments to owners in professional services firms are the residual profits. And why should they be, when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital? In the implicit negotiation over distribution of revenue, the employees have all the bargaining power. The equity will be paid a fair return, but will not receive any structural 1039621;1425371807;ben_vulpes;increases in revenue. On the other hand, 1039622;1425371809;ben_vulpes;the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits. This view, while not the standard economic view, has the advantage of being supported by reality. (It also accounts for why non-partner-owned professional services firms tend to conglomerate, but that’s another post.)†1039623;1425371816;ben_vulpes;just rings too true for comfort though. 1039624;1425371860;ben_vulpes;perhaps i'm insane or a particularly good scammer, but i can close deals that none of the programmers on staff could ever dream of. hilariously, because they're on staff. 1039625;1425371878;ben_vulpes;but at the same time, because i'm not a nightmare to work with, i have a near-infinite sell wall of talent. 1039626;1425371886;ben_vulpes;so basically i can't really figure anything out. 1039627;1425371888;ben_vulpes;halp 1039628;1425371889;jurov;"peristaltic, multi-tentacular infinite length dildos" ... guess it was inevitable someday on this chan 1039629;1425371920;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that made no sense. missing context ? 1039630;1425371952;ben_vulpes;mk let's try again 1039631;1425371976;ben_vulpes;"when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital" << this is absolutely true, except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc. 1039632;1425372009;ben_vulpes;"the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits" << painfully true. 1039633;1425372027;mircea_popescu;how is it true ? 1039634;1425372042;ben_vulpes;devs clock time, get paid hours. simple maffs. 1039635;1425372051;Vexual;ascicminer sinsures all itsa subsiduriaries? 1039636;1425372052;mircea_popescu;it seems a rehash of "i could code mpex in an afternoon. you kidding, it has no css even" 1039637;1425372061;mircea_popescu;if THAT is what is meant by "equity" the speaker is a retard. 1039638;1425372085;ben_vulpes;for tax reasons, i clock infinity hours, get paid exactly the same amount (for medicare/aid purposes) each month. 1039639;1425372118;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes essentially, i don't think you're proceeding on actually defined (or even considered) symbols. 1039640;1425372174;ben_vulpes;that's certainly possible. 1039641;1425372181;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly : the article does the valuable service of reminind people of volcker's potion. yes, interest rates WERE 20% in 81. 1039642;1425372191;mircea_popescu;and yes it did work. and no, the bezzle wasn't as bad then as it is now. 1039643;1425372221;mircea_popescu;and yes that's what i'd do as fed chairman : interest hike to 35%. 1039644;1425372230;ben_vulpes;what's a reasonable set of symbols? 1039645;1425372251;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes these can be fine if you can actually explain them. so, how is it true ? 1039646;1425372261;Vexual;everything mariio bros 1039647;1425372292;ben_vulpes;so equity being ownership stake in derpy consulting co. 1039648;1425372316;ben_vulpes;profits being that which is left over after paying out contractors, staff, rent etc. 1039649;1425372330;mircea_popescu;i don't think you understand what equity is. 1039650;1425372338;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBjbHZrjckk fuck snow 1039651;1425372363;mircea_popescu;equity is the accounting term for the philosophical notion of fairness. 1039652;1425372401;ben_vulpes;ah. 1039653;1425372418;mircea_popescu;so for instance : if you go fishing in my boat, 1039654;1425372425;mircea_popescu;i have an equity interest in your fish. because it was my boat. 1039655;1425372444;cazalla;Vexual, no idea, some people are pinning the theft on friedcat and provided a supposed chinese police report but turned out it was a .. random birth certificate 1039656;1425372496;mircea_popescu;that equity is not the ownership of the boat, but an effect thereof. 1039657;1425372519;Vexual;yeah busininess breed paranoia 1039658;1425372533;mircea_popescu;this should readily resolve the apparent dilemma : if i do in fact have equity in your firm, it means i did something useful. 1039659;1425372546;mircea_popescu;this means that if i hadn't the equity, it wouldn't be "the same thing". 1039660;1425372548;mircea_popescu;right ? 1039661;1425372556;Vexual;done and done 1039662;1425372564;Vexual;verily 1039663;1425372645;Vexual;ya can describe it otherwise, but the ounts unlike it 1039664;1425372689;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6FhS8jMHE 1039665;1425372725;ben_vulpes;perhaps the dillema isn't so clear to me, likely due to symbolic confusion. 1039666;1425372761;ben_vulpes;let's try again. 1039667;1425372793;ben_vulpes;i could freelance, at some rate - let's say 2BTC/hr 1039668;1425372806;ben_vulpes;(impossible, but for rounding errors) 1039669;1425372835;mircea_popescu;ok. 1039670;1425372933;ben_vulpes;instead, i coordinate work of the type i could perform on my own. that work costs me, let's say .8B. i bill at ~1.8. on volume, my take home is ~1.5B/hr (assuming 40hrs/wk, 50wks/yr. salary equality assumptions, etc.). 1039671;1425373023;mircea_popescu;ok. 1039672;1425373104;mircea_popescu;" They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item) 1039673;1425373142;ben_vulpes;the linked article on one hand doesn't make a terrific amount of sense to me because for whatever reason (perhaps i'm a particularly well-doing con man), i can sell into the buy side of "professional services" at rates that my "bankers" can't touch on their own. 1039674;1425373167;ben_vulpes;on the other hand, during those thing months, the "bankers" walk with hours*rate, and i lose money. 1039675;1425373173;mircea_popescu;that reason having a lot to do with the equity of your position, which you don't account for. 1039676;1425373186;mircea_popescu;" my take home is ~1.5B/hr" [+ ??? B/hr in equity] 1039677;1425373200;ben_vulpes;right, so we come back around to equity which i clearly don't understand formally. 1039678;1425373222;ben_vulpes;yeah i have no idea how to account for that. 1039679;1425373239;mircea_popescu;you do, yes. " except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc" 1039680;1425373243;mircea_popescu;those are all examples. 1039681;1425373314;ben_vulpes;ouch. 1039682;1425373317;mircea_popescu;hence my comment about "redoing mpex". the proposition that any two things are the same thing has serious problems in the marketplace. 1039683;1425373320;ben_vulpes;actually, i totally get it all of a sudden. 1039684;1425373324;mircea_popescu;yw. 1039685;1425373351;ben_vulpes;Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlwLmyaa454 1039686;1425373352;assbot;Ted Nugent - Stranglehold - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnTWqw ) 1039687;1425373378;ben_vulpes;here's the thing that makes me discount my own equity though: 1039688;1425373408;ben_vulpes;i can think of fifteen utterly moronic doodz doing running precisely the same hustle and making vastly more money at it. 1039689;1425373429;ben_vulpes;99% of that is likely attributable to simply how much longer they've been doing it for. 1039690;1425373466;mircea_popescu;cash basis is a very poor accounting principle. 1039691;1425373516;mircea_popescu;it's fundamentally what makes people chase college degrees instead of being plumbers ; and the impulse that makes people quit their job and take up gambling after a neighbour strikes the powerball., 1039692;1425373623;ben_vulpes;ugh yeah and ofc shartups. 1039693;1425373658;ben_vulpes;so here's the thing about shartups: 1039694;1425373663;mircea_popescu;you're better off with equity than with cash, provided you can distinguish good from bad 1039695;1425373671;mircea_popescu;cash has this advantage, that it's all the same. 1039696;1425373678;mircea_popescu;currently, that all the same means equally bad. 1039697;1425373720;ben_vulpes;#bitcoin-assets, by the way, has made investing *harder* for me, not *easier*. 1039698;1425373750;mircea_popescu;duh. 1039699;1425373757;ben_vulpes;everything must be valued in not only dollar payouts, but twenty-one-millionth payouts. 1039700;1425373801;ben_vulpes;and there's this impossible time horizon estimation problem that the "end of civilization" brings with it. 1039701;1425373826;ben_vulpes;it's trivial to say "clearly whatever whatever power structure will fall over." 1039702;1425373839;ben_vulpes;but fuck my life is it hard to put time horizons on that. 1039703;1425373875;ben_vulpes;i'm leaning towards the fiatbezzle right now. 1039704;1425373902;ben_vulpes;it's *gotta* have another 5 years left in it. 1039705;1425373923;mircea_popescu;why ? 1039706;1425373982;ben_vulpes;i suppose that this is more properly spoken of in certainty intervals? 1039707;1425374008;mircea_popescu;dude, i have nfi, im following here. you make a statement, i wanna see how you got to it 1039708;1425374020;ben_vulpes;no, it's a good question. 1039709;1425374063;ben_vulpes; dude, i have nfi << me neither, i'm just a millwright trying to not starve this decade. 1039710;1425374091;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone in the wot ever actually starves. 1039711;1425374122;ben_vulpes;hm, mebbe that's the attitude. 1039712;1425374134;ben_vulpes;"fuck everything that happens, i'm in the wot." 1039713;1425374229;ben_vulpes;i don't know, man! it's one fifteen in the morning and i'm tearing my hair out over how to plan for just the next decade. 1039714;1425374229;mircea_popescu;incidentally, best sort of equity there is. 1039715;1425374274;ben_vulpes;okay here's an argument for a protracted decline 1039716;1425374292;ben_vulpes;migrations north are going to be slow. 1039717;1425374297;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.07888891 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.01424848 BTC. Current weight: 76,629. 1039718;1425374316;ben_vulpes;there are more or less 2 major thoroughfares, and they're pretty chokeable. 1039719;1425374336;mircea_popescu;so ? 1039720;1425374357;mircea_popescu;all you need to lose is 0.1% and you're finished. 1039721;1425374382;mircea_popescu;a theoretical knowledge osama experimentally verified. 1039722;1425374389;ben_vulpes;0.1% of? 1039723;1425374474;mircea_popescu;of the population. 1039724;1425374475;mircea_popescu;"One of the hottest venture capital investment ideas–bankrolling office-supply discount chains–is starting to sour. In the past two years, investors poured nearly $200 million into at least 16 office-supply “supermarket” chains. But today, the flood of entrants threatens a market-share war, and the result may be hard times." 1039725;1425374485;ben_vulpes;myeah well that's a given. 1039726;1425374493;mircea_popescu;oh gawd, the 80s, time of bad hair, bad clothes and people who thought stapler discounters are a hot vc idea. 1039727;1425374513;ben_vulpes;im not saying the *usg* has to hold the roads and rails. 1039728;1425374606;ben_vulpes;merely that someone must. 1039729;1425374831;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/2NCFCMR.txt << relevant 1039730;1425374832;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Co095B ) 1039731;1425374840;ben_vulpes;from "diamond age" 1039732;1425376457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00039403 = 20.6472 BTC [+] {2} 1039733;1425376859;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do you know this neumann guy ? 1039734;1425376882;mircea_popescu;http://reactionwheel.net/2015/01/80s-vc.html << well documented stuff, i'd love to see him writing for qntra 1039735;1425376884;assbot;Heat Death: Venture Capital in the 1980s | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIBqg ) 1039736;1425376970;mircea_popescu;"When reading, keep in mind that I have so many conflicts of interest that I have conflicts in places where other people don’t even have interests." 1039737;1425376971;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 1039738;1425377250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68462 @ 0.00040191 = 27.5156 BTC [+] 1039739;1425377372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117100 @ 0.00039057 = 45.7357 BTC [-] {3} 1039740;1425378133;mircea_popescu;"If you think bankers make too much money, focusing on how much they are paid will get you nowhere. If they are not paid 50% of firm revenue, they will go to another bank that will pay them that much. If no bank will pay them that much, they will go start a new bank. If that sort of compensation is outlawed at any bank present or future, they will start a bank where they are the equity owners and get paid that much. Th 1039741;1425378133;mircea_popescu;e money has to go somewhere, and it’s not going to go to the providers of capital because the providers of capital to professional services companies have no negotiating leverage." 1039742;1425378135;mircea_popescu;quite exactly. 1039743;1425378149;mircea_popescu;you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. 1039744;1425378357;mircea_popescu;and speaking of "what the consumer has come to expect" and related delusions, http://33.media.tumblr.com/ec04311fc14329e1162bffca1aa5b58c/tumblr_nbtmv2PZqK1segoz0o1_500.gif 1039745;1425378360;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcfK90 ) 1039746;1425379080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48350 @ 0.00040357 = 19.5126 BTC [+] 1039747;1425380178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00040357 = 8.2328 BTC [+] 1039748;1425381703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00039041 = 30.2568 BTC [-] {3} 1039749;1425383880;cazalla;so when did vessenes become involved in the foundation, from what i'm reading, it was gavin that floated and promoted the idea of it back in october 2011 (piecing together some history as suggested by.. who, i forget) 1039750;1425383939;cazalla;fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now 1039751;1425384693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00038709 = 14.961 BTC [-] 1039752;1425385791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00040357 = 8.3135 BTC [+] 1039753;1425387072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74150 @ 0.00038709 = 28.7027 BTC [-] 1039754;1425387865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00040357 = 6.78 BTC [+] 1039755;1425388719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31925 @ 0.00040357 = 12.884 BTC [+] 1039756;1425389512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19142 @ 0.00038709 = 7.4097 BTC [-] 1039757;1425390000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55249 @ 0.00037168 = 20.5349 BTC [-] {2} 1039758;1425390244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91457 @ 0.00036793 = 33.6498 BTC [-] {2} 1039759;1425390305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4093 @ 0.00036732 = 1.5034 BTC [-] 1039760;1425390671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30401 @ 0.00037107 = 11.2809 BTC [+] 1039761;1425390793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36729 @ 0.00037229 = 13.6738 BTC [+] {2} 1039762;1425391769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62298 @ 0.00036694 = 22.8596 BTC [-] {2} 1039763;1425391830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125302 @ 0.00036425 = 45.6413 BTC [-] 1039764;1425392285;jurov;wtf s.mpoe 1039765;1425392346;mike_c;it's part of the conspiracy to make qntra the highest share price on mpex 1039766;1425392378;mats;i love a good conspiracy 1039767;1425392385;jurov;isn't d.cbse the highest share price? 1039768;1425392398;mike_c;i only count s.* 1039769;1425392423;mike_c;not that i am masterminding the conspiracy 1039770;1425392462;jurov;that's suspiciously specific denial 1039771;1425392497;jurov;spill the beans, nao! 1039772;1425392577;mike_c;it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH. 1039773;1425392849;jurov;lol you know what? let's put it to bitbet 1039774;1425392898;jurov;!t m s.qntr 1039775;1425392898;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027068 / 0.00027068 (15682 shares, 4.24 BTC), 7D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027329 / 0.000301 (17182 shares, 4.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00018731 / 0.00025621 / 0.000301 (67601 shares, 17.32 BTC) 1039776;1425392925;jurov;when has qntra an anniversary? 1039777;1425392944;mike_c;Oct.? 1039778;1425392971;mats;!t m s.mpoe 1039779;1425392971;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036425 / 0.0003936 / 0.00041784 (4236138 shares, 1,667.35 BTC), 7D: 0.00036425 / 0.00040146 / 0.00044462 (23643541 shares, 9,491.97 BTC), 30D: 0.00034173 / 0.00039827 / 0.00048515 (92329986 shares, 36,772.60 BTC) 1039780;1425392971;mike_c;Yeah. listed Oct. 13, i think first post was like a week earlier 1039781;1425393280;danielpbarron;You are blocked from following @ethereumproject and viewing @ethereumproject's Tweets. Learn more 1039782;1425393309;danielpbarron;height=245727 vs height=197875 (usb3: height=234283) 1039783;1425393540;jurov;ethereum server has become incredible hog...trying to run it on same hardware than some years ago, it's now impossible to sync 1039784;1425393654;danielpbarron;you mean electrum? 1039785;1425393667;jurov;electrum, yes 1039786;1425394270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00036975 = 20.3178 BTC [+] 1039787;1425395246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115900 @ 0.00036391 = 42.1772 BTC [-] {4} 1039788;1425395650;jurov;🚽 🚾 wtf there are two? i'd say one is supposed to have lid open and other one closed, but that's not what standard says 1039789;1425396310;BingoBoingo;jurov: It's that database on top of the other database on top of yet another database 1039790;1425396754;jurov;ikr, the database is supposed to index the blockchain so that getting transaction history for a wallet does not require to scan gigabytes of data 1039791;1425396778;jurov;which is exactly what electrum server seems to be doing :/ 1039792;1425396790;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1039793;1425396798;fluffypony;jurov 1039794;1425396809;fluffypony;reduce the transaction history to like 30 1039795;1425396816;fluffypony;unless you require more 1039796;1425397076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38231 @ 0.00036205 = 13.8415 BTC [-] {2} 1039797;1425397137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31302 @ 0.00037229 = 11.6534 BTC [+] 1039798;1425397214;jurov;guess i'll end up with that. 1039799;1425397991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00036 = 26.028 BTC [-] {6} 1039800;1425398058;[]bot;Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 60.01424848 BTC. Current weight: 76,142. 1039801;1425398174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309300 @ 0.00035795 = 110.7139 BTC [-] {3} 1039802;1425399089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.00035657 = 21.2872 BTC [-] {2} 1039803;1425399516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70649 @ 0.00035645 = 25.1828 BTC [-] 1039804;1425399901;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ? 1039805;1425399946;asciilifeform;out of context it reads not entirely unlike something lizardhitler would say to prisoners being lowered into shark pit 1039806;1425400614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110073 @ 0.00034587 = 38.0709 BTC [-] {2} 1039807;1425401211;ben_vulpes;the freemen who take 100% plus organs are actually the lords. 1039808;1425401346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22972 @ 0.00035056 = 8.0531 BTC [+] {2} 1039809;1425401712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00035158 = 10.1607 BTC [+] 1039810;1425402383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00033798 = 23.2192 BTC [-] 1039811;1425402530;jurov;strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy 1039812;1425402631;chetty; strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy// strip miners ..also know as gubermint 1039813;1425402720;jurov;govts come and go 1039814;1425403027;thestringpuller;^- yes yes 1039815;1425404396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33020 @ 0.00036804 = 12.1527 BTC [+] {2} 1039816;1425404984;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/overdose-case-leads-to-money-laundering-charges/ 1039817;1425405625;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/IOHK_Charles/status/572713276796100609 1039818;1425405626;assbot;Finally a visualization of the ethereum business plan http://t.co/V16nFCG0B5 1039819;1425406197;fluffypony;LOL 1039820;1425406348;adlai;guy's not heard of the waterfall? 1039821;1425406363;BingoBoingo;adlai: Clearly not. 1039822;1425407412;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1039823;1425407419;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 277.79, vol: 23618.06292953 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 271.051, vol: 17889.83524 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 281.21, vol: 84767.53249337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 279.456804, vol: 143748.93120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 279.97259, vol: 61.28189605 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 277.17525, vol: 238.59295534 | Volume-weighted last average: 279.302752753 1039824;1425407905;*;adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting 1039825;1425408141;jurov;where? on buttstamp? 1039826;1425408212;adlai;that number is estimated off a finex account 1039827;1425408243;kakobrekla;rally gives you trouble? 1039828;1425408281;adlai;yes, naive market making underperforms holding during rallies like this 1039829;1425408319;adlai;so i'm happy for bitcoin but pissed at myself 1039830;1425408605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9162 @ 0.00034034 = 3.1182 BTC [-] 1039831;1425409150;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1039832;1425409162;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/2015/03/petraeus-information-plea.pdf << mega-l0l 1039833;1425409167;ascii_field;^ BingoBoingo, cazalla 1039834;1425409178;ascii_field;and esp. mircea_popescu's article on 'plea bargains' 1039835;1425409183;ascii_field;relevant. 1039836;1425409197;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Writing it up actually. 1039837;1425409203;BingoBoingo;So much lulz 1039838;1425409261;ascii_field;interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer 1039839;1425409273;ascii_field;nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?' 1039840;1425409299;ascii_field;neither judge, nor prosecutor, nor any of the various 'preets' involved thought about anthills 1039841;1425409349;*;adlai isn't sure how much ability somebody so high has to call the _men_ to arms 1039842;1425409369;ascii_field;adlai: in a healthy civilization, they are the -only ones- who have it 1039843;1425409378;adlai;if you look at the officers that defected from assad's army together with their troops, higher ranks are increasingly rare 1039844;1425409396;ascii_field;think of ancient generals 1039845;1425409436;ascii_field;only degenerate societies bureaucratize military command. 1039846;1425409497;ascii_field;why is the cia described in the past tense ?!?! 1039847;1425409508;ascii_field;in the petraeus document 1039848;1425409547;adlai;you mean section 10 of the factual basis? 1039849;1425409574;adlai;it seems to be a stylistic choice, everything in the basis is past tense 1039850;1425409671;ascii_field;lol, most of the lawbreaking seems to involve... the man keeping his own notebooks after retirement 1039851;1425409705;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: My impression is that once one assents to the role of directing and agency, they are forced to become insulated from actual charge over their subordinates to prevent 'antihills' 1039852;1425409741;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: well yes. hence neutered civilizations. 1039853;1425409777;BingoBoingo;Cannot call men to arms until solidly 'Schweiched' 1039854;1425410139;lobbes;edis changed its TOS to ban IRC bouncers and "BitCoin" activities; I am in the market for a new vps provider 1039855;1425410161;lobbes;Anyone have a good recommendation? 1039856;1425410220;danielpbarron;sounds like a qntra article 1039857;1425410335;danielpbarron;!up ecstaticpessimst 1039858;1425410382;dignork;lobbes: pm 1039859;1425410624;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIasr2AiyZ0 hahaha 1039860;1425410626;assbot;Shocking interview! - In the mind of an altcoin developer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DGBLYf ) 1039861;1425410677;danielpbarron;lobbes, I don't see this info anywhere else; their own ToS page does not mention it http://www.edis.at/en/about/terms-conditions/ 1039862;1425410678;assbot;edis.at :: Terms & Conditions ... ( http://bit.ly/1DGC859 ) 1039863;1425410783;lobbes;danielpbarron: http://www.edis.at/files/9214/2533/1905/tos.pdf 1039864;1425410784;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AWmuFo ) 1039865;1425410792;lobbes;page 5, I think 1039866;1425410888;lobbes;er page 4, rather 1039867;1425410916;danielpbarron;it's banned as both "peer-to-peer software," and as a "CPU intense application" (if mining) 1039868;1425410923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00034782 = 10.6607 BTC [+] 1039869;1425410997;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1039870;1425411146;danielpbarron;maybe i'm just not well informed, having never used such a service, but what is the point if these things are all forbidden? (irc, peer-to-peer, etc..) 1039871;1425411215;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Apps, Websites... Ruby on Rails 1039872;1425411557;trinque;!up Pierre_Rochard 1039873;1425411564;BingoBoingo;!up vhost- 1039874;1425411565;trinque;!up NewLiberty 1039875;1425411583;vhost-;!info 1039876;1425411591;trinque;vhost- is a friend of mine who wrote the bot deedbot- is based upon 1039877;1425411605;trinque;!up deedbot- 1039878;1425411607;BingoBoingo;Ah 1039879;1425411612;vhost-;:) 1039880;1425411615;BingoBoingo;!topic 1039881;1425411621;vhost-;!help 1039882;1425411621;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1039883;1425411635;trinque;vhost-: deedbot- is only listening to add-key and add-deed 1039884;1425411679;vhost-;nice 1039885;1425411682;vhost-;! commands still work 1039886;1425411684;trinque;vhost-: if you do !register with a pubkey I'll rate you so you can self voice 1039887;1425411692;vhost-;for help, services and help 1039888;1425411702;vhost-;gpg? 1039889;1425411710;trinque;yar, I think it takes the fingerprint 1039890;1425411718;trinque;assbot, not deedbot- 1039891;1425411719;vhost-;does it need to be on a keyserver? 1039892;1425411727;vhost-;I don't think I've pushed mine up yet 1039893;1425411743;trinque;vhost-: yar, believe so 1039894;1425411787;vhost-;I pushed it up actually 1039895;1425411831;trinque;vhost-: !register should do it, I think 1039896;1425411847;NewLiberty;bitcointa.lk's security certificate expired 2 day(s) ago. 1039897;1425411877;danielpbarron;assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints 1039898;1425411878;vhost-;!register DAAE E6B5 D729 10B7 4A6F 01F9 52A4 B5B2 F318 8BF2 1039899;1425411878;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint. 1039900;1425411879;NewLiberty;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/best_of_mpoe-pr links to it 1039901;1425411892;BingoBoingo;NewLiberty: Even if it wasn't hard to count on SSL for actual security. 1039902;1425411896;kakobrekla;vhost- drop the spaces 1039903;1425411897;vhost-;!register DAAEE6B5D72910B74A6F01F952A4B5B2F3188BF2 1039904;1425411897;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: DAAEE6B5D72910B74A6F01F952A4B5B2F3188BF2. This may take a few moments. 1039905;1425411897;assbot;Key F3188BF2 / "Kyle Terry " successfully imported. 1039906;1425411897;assbot;Registration successful. 1039907;1425411899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00035896 = 20.8915 BTC [+] {2} 1039908;1425411914;vhost-;nice 1039909;1425411923;NewLiberty;It does a few things pretty well. 1039910;1425411948;NewLiberty;Raises the barrier to entry for the session hijacking biz 1039911;1425411986;trinque;!rate vhost- 3 wrote tenyks, on which deedbot is based 1039912;1425411986;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c3065b1bfb076db2 1039913;1425412020;trinque;!v assbot:trinque.rate.vhost-.3:94d09c5f0815956839f57a47e437f478d00cf6ee7021d47a8cff593f7137cf2a 1039914;1425412020;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for vhost- with note: wrote tenyks, on which deedbot is based 1039915;1425412031;trinque;vhost-: you should be able to !up yourself from now on 1039916;1425412065;trinque;!gettrust vhost- 1039917;1425412065;assbot;Trust relationship from user trinque to user vhost-: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/trinque/vhost- | http://w.b-a.link/user/vhost- 1039918;1425412095;NewLiberty;SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay. 1039919;1425412114;vhost-;man, this is cool 1039920;1425412207;danielpbarron;!gettrust assbot vhost- 1039921;1425412208;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user vhost-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/vhost- | http://w.b-a.link/user/vhost- 1039922;1425412214;danielpbarron;^ no he cannot up himself 1039923;1425412216;trinque;danielpbarron: ah, I was wrong 1039924;1425412233;trinque;so uh, how does a brother get in assbot's L1 1039925;1425412264;BingoBoingo;!rate vhost- 1 +v easy come easy go 1039926;1425412264;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b5b4f429f26e179c 1039927;1425412340;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.vhost-.1:32d3011ff47604f12772bffec4fa4822d82f23c755258220a74b2e912b33103e 1039928;1425412340;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for vhost- with note: +v easy come easy go 1039929;1425412340;danielpbarron;trinque, it's a mystery by design for the purpose of preventing gaming of the system 1039930;1425412367;trinque;interesting 1039931;1425412604;vhost-;oh man 1039932;1425412607;vhost-;I have a lot to learn here 1039933;1425412774;lobbes;!b 2 1039934;1425412775;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SATZZ0.txt ) 1039935;1425412803;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch 1039936;1425412806;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/former-cia-director-avoids-trial/ 1039937;1425412825;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1039938;1425413027;adlai;vhost-: small world 1039939;1425413232;jurov;BingoBoingo: "extramartial" lover ? 1039940;1425413238;jurov;lmao 1039941;1425413302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26938 @ 0.00034782 = 9.3696 BTC [-] 1039942;1425413320;BingoBoingo;lol, unintentional jurov fixed 1039943;1425413449;BingoBoingo;!up vhost- 1039944;1425413469;BingoBoingo;vhost-: Why haven't you up'd yourself yet. 1039945;1425413491;BingoBoingo;!gettrust assbot vhost- 1039946;1425413492;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user vhost-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/vhost- | http://w.b-a.link/user/vhost- 1039947;1425413634;mike_c;this tenyks thingy.. this looks cool 1039948;1425413672;mike_c;separation of the irc bot part and the service part. a good idea. 1039949;1425413796;mike_c;it makes me a little nervous though that it is written by a self declared shitty go programmer though :) 1039950;1425413815;danielpbarron;at least he's in the WoT :p 1039951;1425413821;adlai;are you also nervous reading socrates? 1039952;1425413834;mike_c;i don't run socrates' software 1039953;1425413861;kakobrekla;!b 2 1039954;1425413862;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Z1C4GR.txt ) 1039955;1425414116;ascii_field;l0l 1039956;1425414176;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: you left out key detail in petraeus article - the 'black books' were the man's own notebooks 1039957;1425414315;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Updated looking into that aspect more 1039958;1425414793;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1039959;1425414810;jurov;!up twizt 1039960;1425414827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54162 @ 0.00034265 = 18.5586 BTC [-] 1039961;1425414930;ascii_field;http://www.ada-ru.org/prj_doc.html << ru ministry of defense's documentation centre, allegedly, runs on gnat 1039962;1425414931;assbot;Ada_Ru ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFCC9e ) 1039963;1425415044;jurov;ascii_field: you seen a pamflet claiming ada was intended as elaborate hoax to set back russian progrmamers? 1039964;1425415132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91833 @ 0.00036476 = 33.497 BTC [+] {2} 1039965;1425415193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5167 @ 0.00036948 = 1.9091 BTC [+] 1039966;1425415211;jurov;can't find it anymore, it was hilarious 1039967;1425415270;jurov;!up twizt 1039968;1425415275;jurov;!up vhost- 1039969;1425415294;jurov;!up Bagels7 1039970;1425415311;jurov;!up diana_coman 1039971;1425415411;vhost-;!up vhost- 1039972;1425415570;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/572852607066107906 1039973;1425415572;assbot;Awesome new scripting functionality for Bitcoin: Violations of the first sale doctrine http://t.co/p4mN7tw6md 1039974;1425415580;vhost-;mike_c: thanks! I plan on swapping out redis pub/sub for zeromq so I can add authentication. basically you can run an IRC bot for a community, then your friends give you a public key that allows them to connect to the pub/sub. 1039975;1425415590;vhost-;then you don't have to maintain your friend's services 1039976;1425415617;mike_c;yeah, that could be useful around here 1039977;1425415619;ascii_field;jurov: hoax << classic essay 1039978;1425415619;vhost-;they just run them on their own servers 1039979;1425415722;ascii_field;jurov: i don't think i will ever -enjoy- ada. but the more one studies it, the less escapable is the conclusion that 1) it is a necessary thing 2) for which there is, at present, no credible alternative whatsoever 1039980;1425415752;ben_vulpes;whoa a vhost-? 1039981;1425415963;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/highlights-from-february-2015s-state-of-bitcoin/ 1039982;1425416032;danielpbarron;"The also managed" -> "They also managed" ? 1039983;1425416037;ascii_field;^ broken link for s.nsa statemen 1039984;1425416133;vhost-;ben_vulpes: :) 1039985;1425416155;BingoBoingo;SHould all be fixed nao 1039986;1425416209;cazalla;yeah, thestringpuller uses “ instead of " and it botches the links BingoBoingo 1039987;1425416220;BingoBoingo;Spotted it 1039988;1425416234;danielpbarron;"mod6 was able to successfully modify asciilifeform's build script of the portatronic build used in the Pogo, to statically build .. " << was this the issue? because I used the portatronic build script and the resulting binary didn't work on debian for arm -- said it needed a different version of some thing i don't recall at the moment 1039989;1425416256;ascii_field;danielpbarron: mod6 found that it wasn't 100% static (iirc used libc) 1039990;1425416263;danielpbarron;yes that 1039991;1425416312;ascii_field;i overlooked this because assumed that static build worked given as test was on box known to lack openssl, boost, bdb as centrally installed libs 1039992;1425416474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100050 @ 0.00037089 = 37.1075 BTC [+] {2} 1039993;1425416488;danielpbarron;is the netbsd thing going to be an automated installer that puts the base system on the attached drive? 1039994;1425416503;ascii_field;danielpbarron: nothing but blockchain should ever live on attached drive 1039995;1425416527;ascii_field;(note that 'pogo' won't ever boot from usb3) 1039996;1425416560;danielpbarron;unless there is some driver problem i'm experiencing, you won't want to put the blockchain on usb3 1039997;1425416571;danielpbarron;it's significantly slower than even a 5400 rpm sata drive 1039998;1425416585;ascii_field;danielpbarron: probably just arch 1039999;1425416603;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1040000;1425416617;danielpbarron;and sure, it won't boot from usb3 but it will boot from sata 1040001;1425416626;danielpbarron;but if it doesn't need to that's sweet 1040002;1425416698;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.0217 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 61.03594848 BTC. Current weight: 75,760. 1040003;1425417036;ascii_field;danielpbarron: os and bitcoind should live in eeprom 1040004;1425417051;ascii_field;(ideally, in one-time-burn antifuse rom, but we don't have it in this box) 1040005;1425417322;ascii_field;http://www.wsj.com/articles/us-agents-raid-alleged-maternity-tourism-anchor-baby-businesses-catering-to-chinese-1425404456 << l0lz 1040006;1425417324;assbot; Federal Agents Raid Alleged ‘Maternity Tourism’ Businesses Catering to Chinese - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOv2iv ) 1040007;1425417329;mod6;thestringpuller: Maybe the Address wasn't clear enough, but the main goal for March is to publish the milestone release. We have some regression testing ahead of us though. 1040008;1425418156;thestringpuller;mod6: yea the milestone release isn't mentioned in section 0x3 1040009;1425418162;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.51 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.93804235 BTC. Current weight: 80,040. 1040010;1425418195;thestringpuller;except at the end with the implied "Work is halting on this for now as the main focus will be the v0.5.3.1 milestone release. Stay tuned for more on this. 1040011;1425418198;thestringpuller;" 1040012;1425418220;thestringpuller;but that relates to the OpenBSD patch 1040013;1425418285;mod6;Eh, well, it's what was meant by the Regression Testing section :] 1040014;1425418308;mod6;w/e 1040015;1425418365;thestringpuller;ah a tad confusing. release milestone wasn't highlighted so I trimmed it out of the article :P 1040016;1425418379;thestringpuller;(wasn't the spotlight) 1040017;1425418386;mod6;yeah, my bad. i'll be more clear next time 1040018;1425418442;thestringpuller;I was just trying to highlight the big wins without pulling too much away from the address itself. Cause I'd rather people go the address for more information. 1040019;1425418453;thestringpuller;Cause the address is very well detailed. 1040020;1425418503;mod6;np. i just want people to get from your article that we're focused on publishing the release as soon as possible. hopefully this month. 1040021;1425418548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69500 @ 0.00037229 = 25.8742 BTC [+] 1040022;1425418551;mod6;anyway, no worries. thanks for the write up. 1040023;1425418555;thestringpuller;I'll have BingoBoingo add it 1040024;1425418620;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1040025;1425418668;ascii_field;http://lists.adacore.com/pipermail/gtkada/2009-June/003811.html << achtung shitgnomologists. 1040026;1425418669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrQ33U ) 1040027;1425418676;BingoBoingo;;;later tell lobbes 1) Yes, provided we make sure we have the right keyfinderprint to attribute work to. 2) Hard to say unless you write it up and see what comes out of it. 1040028;1425418676;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1040029;1425418681;ascii_field;^ prevents gtkada from working even now 1040030;1425418695;ascii_field;and likewise the spiffy editor, 'gps 1040031;1425418696;ascii_field;' 1040032;1425418854;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: added 1040033;1425418890;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: thx 1040034;1425418916;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: typo strip the " mark 1040035;1425418922;thestringpuller;at the end (it's trailing) 1040036;1425418947;BingoBoingo;dome 1040037;1425419040;ascii_field;is there -any- worthwhile piece of software entirely unafflicted by this retardation ? 1040038;1425419153;mod6;thx guise. 1040039;1425419347;thestringpuller;ascii_field: is this a rhetorical question? 1040040;1425419707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114805 @ 0.00037127 = 42.6237 BTC [-] 1040041;1425420446;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1040042;1425420594;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/0RZE5MG.txt << latest ver. won't build, either 1040043;1425420596;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zW7bZt ) 1040044;1425421238;mod6;ld: cannot find -lgtkada_gl << you might be able to link this lib directly. 1040045;1425421250;ascii_field;it's built as part of the thing 1040046;1425421254;ascii_field;catch-22 1040047;1425421269;ascii_field;at any rate, i got past that by ./configure --with-GL=no 1040048;1425421272;mod6;yeah, up above. i saw that. hmm. 1040049;1425421326;ascii_field;now 'gprbuild' won't build 1040050;1425421398;ascii_field;what a joke this whole 'open' thing is 1040051;1425421421;ascii_field;every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it 1040052;1425421434;ascii_field;and everybody else just chumps along using the binary pkg 1040053;1425421441;mod6;haha. "some assembly required" 1040054;1425421476;ascii_field;i have no problem whatsoever with 'some assembly required' 1040055;1425421480;mod6;it used to be that everyone built from the source. yah, now most people just rely on their package system 1040056;1425421491;ascii_field;but the shitgnomes don't sleep, and they break off necessary parts 1040057;1425421524;ascii_field;and using vintage netbsd or whatever mircea_popescu does, is not a magic pill against this 1040058;1425421576;ascii_field;because the info re: what combination of p,q,r,s,t...that add up to a working z is lost to the sands of time 1040059;1425421598;ascii_field;because 9 out of 10 times it only existed on the original author's machine 1040060;1425421602;ascii_field;and he wasn't even aware of it 1040061;1425421701;mod6;ya, i see what you mean 1040062;1425421922;ascii_field;checking for xmlada... no configure: error: cannot find xmlada 1040063;1425421930;ascii_field;^ and yes it's installed 1040064;1425422275;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1040065;1425422996;mircea_popescu;goood mornin! 1040066;1425423028;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039750 << it became politically inconvenient to admit it sometime last year. 1040067;1425423028;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 11:58:59; cazalla: fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now 1040068;1425423070;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, the bit of history they're trying to purge is that vessennes was the head and treasurer of the thing, in total outrageous breach of common practice, and he got all the early bitcoin donated to it in his own name and used it for his own purposes. 1040069;1425423074;ascii_field;if anyone actually gives a fuck about these, cache'em - archive.org can and has been prevailed upon to do the 'polite society' thing before 1040070;1425423087;mircea_popescu;the current foundation is an embarassing shell, nothing but obligaitons for them so they're trying to shed it. 1040071;1425423123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00036007 = 17.6074 BTC [-] {2} 1040072;1425423149;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the derp party is slowly learning that they can not purge things. 1040073;1425423168;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/ << grep for "further update" in the same line. 1040074;1425423169;assbot;The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXgaO7 ) 1040075;1425423195;ascii_field;their magical wand of 'let's all the folks who Know How The World Works (TM) pretend this Never Existed' still works great. 1040076;1425423228;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039772 << this reminds me of the s.dice / s.mpoe duel of yore. 1040077;1425423228;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 14:22:57; mike_c: it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH. 1040078;1425423244;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-market-cap-vs-sdice-market-cap/ stuff 1040079;1425423245;assbot;S.MPOE market cap vs S.DICE market cap pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXgxYZ ) 1040080;1425423302;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yeah. this is how it works : http://www.demotivation.us/media/demotivators/demotivation.us__ENVY-It-Wears-a-Coat-and-Hides-in-Hallways-1.jpg 1040081;1425423302;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AErf1K ) 1040082;1425423312;mircea_popescu;they're great at wearing coats and hiding in hallways. 1040083;1425423475;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039794 << no, make larger blocks! 1040084;1425423475;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 15:33:29; fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30 1040085;1425423496;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039804 << bankers, in that example. 1040086;1425423496;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 16:25:01; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ? 1040087;1425423517;mircea_popescu;but generally, liberal professions / highly skilled professionals. which pointedly does not include coding monkeys, as per us law. 1040088;1425423564;ascii_field;doesn't include anyone who works on a salary (how'd that work ?) 1040089;1425423576;mircea_popescu;depends. 1040090;1425423587;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039824 << scam. 1040091;1425423587;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 18:38:25; *: adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting 1040092;1425423604;ascii_field;folks who are in one of the traditionally recognized guilds - possibly 1040093;1425423630;ascii_field;(programmers blew their chance to establish a guild long, long ago) 1040094;1425423643;mircea_popescu;pretty much erryone but you, alf. models promoting consumer items. athletes. lawyers. financial anythings. business consultants. you name it 1040095;1425423650;mircea_popescu;millions and millions of people. just not naggum. 1040096;1425423692;ascii_field;interestingly, he understood the fact, the how, and the why - actually studied, at one point before he gave up, to become a lawyer (in no.) 1040097;1425423711;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039838 << interesting'd not be the word i use. 1040098;1425423711;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:01; ascii_field: interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer 1040099;1425423751;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ancient article on trilema, back in romanian decade, "half of the revenue or gtfo". 1040100;1425423773;mircea_popescu;and also included "your job is to sell me on how much leverage you put at my disposal to make that revenue, nothing else." 1040101;1425423777;adlai;"scam"? 1040102;1425423788;ascii_field;the cost of replacing naggums with 'code monkeys' to prevent the guild will be paid for 1000 years. 1040103;1425423792;mircea_popescu;!s scam 1040104;1425423794;assbot;2395 results for 'scam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scam 1040105;1425423794;mircea_popescu;it 1040106;1425423796;mircea_popescu;s what we say! 1040107;1425423801;ascii_field;and much higher than would've cost otherwise. 1040108;1425423814;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it doesn't count unless it's on the pointed end of a stick. 1040109;1425423815;ascii_field;*of having replaced 1040110;1425423851;mircea_popescu;that's the thing all the castrato "experts" with "degrees" fail to grasp. it doesn't matter what "reality" is, may be thought to be, could be inferred etc. 1040111;1425423858;mircea_popescu;if you don't have a pointed stick driving it, it's not real. 1040112;1425423863;[]bot;Bet created: "BTC to rise vs USD in March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1125/ 1040113;1425423918;ascii_field;stick's pretty sharp, i'm sitting on it as we speak 1040114;1425423930;ascii_field;as is ben_vulpes, and a buncha folks 1040115;1425423931;[]bot;Bet placed: 3.06123281 BTC for Yes on "BTC to rise vs USD in March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1125/ Odds: 100(Y):0(N) by coin, 100(Y):0(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.06123281 BTC. Current weight: 99,996. 1040116;1425423937;mircea_popescu;you misunderstand. the other way. 1040117;1425423946;mircea_popescu;the " cost of replacing naggums" way. 1040118;1425423977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84300 @ 0.00035335 = 29.7874 BTC [-] 1040119;1425423978;ascii_field;at this point they need to pray to the gods, possibly no amount of naggum will suffice 1040120;1425423998;mircea_popescu;entirely besides the point. 1040121;1425424032;ascii_field;the very concept that software could actually work in the sense in which other engineered objects work, is nearly forgotten 1040122;1425424038;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039839 << what men ? 1040123;1425424038;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:13; ascii_field: nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?' 1040124;1425424044;ascii_field;(see today's log for example) 1040125;1425424057;mircea_popescu;they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club. 1040126;1425424064;mircea_popescu;think about hassling beria in that manner. 1040127;1425424081;ascii_field;kryuchkov had nobody either 1040128;1425424084;ascii_field;had to eat his pistol 1040129;1425424087;ascii_field;same deal. 1040130;1425424090;mircea_popescu;right. 1040131;1425424158;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, beria actually picked up women off the street, raped them for a while and then dropped them off. 1040132;1425424238;[]bot;Bet created: "Bitcoin above MtGox $266 high 2 years on" http://bitbet.us/bet/1126/ 1040133;1425424492;[]bot;Bet placed: 3.08750005 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin above MtGox $266 high 2 years on" http://bitbet.us/bet/1126/ Odds: 99(Y):1(N) by coin, 99(Y):1(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.23750005 BTC. Current weight: 99,991. 1040134;1425424537;mircea_popescu;so, logically speaking, if the cia were anything like a secret service, we'd know who exactly is^H^H was the lizzard hitler by grepping sudden deaths for warfarin. 1040135;1425424728;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039846 << guess. 1040136;1425424728;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 19:04:57; ascii_field: why is the cia described in the past tense ?!?! 1040137;1425424734;mircea_popescu;it's like the nsa. a corpse. 1040138;1425424793;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://40.media.tumblr.com/da726933b1b7585ef15ad310503b7381/tumblr_muu0t7ryeg1sh4jg7o1_500.jpg 1040139;1425424794;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AEA3Va ) 1040140;1425424794;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1040141;1425425015;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039855 << someone still has to make a bitcoin host already. 1040142;1425425015;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 19:16:01; lobbes: Anyone have a good recommendation? 1040143;1425425063;mircea_popescu;lobbes anyway, stop running vps' get a damned server. it's not THAT much. 1040144;1425425192;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039897 << this is actually a decent point. 1040145;1425425192;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 19:44:37; danielpbarron: assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints 1040146;1425425349;lobbes;mircea_popescu: You mean a physical server in my own abode? or just leasing a 'dedicated server' somewhere? 1040147;1425425362;lobbes;I'd imagine the latter would fall prey to the same issues as a vps 1040148;1425425373;lobbes;ultimately out of my control 1040149;1425425376;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039918 << i dun think the guy's much online anymore. 1040150;1425425376;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 19:48:15; NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay. 1040151;1425425396;mircea_popescu;lobbes ideally, colocate. but otherwise, sure, get a dedi, if they start discussing what you run on it tell them to get lost./ 1040152;1425425405;mircea_popescu;no, it would not. it bein g... your server. 1040153;1425425420;mircea_popescu;if you want to run it at 100% doing shell forks for five months, your problem. 1040154;1425425511;mircea_popescu;!rate vhost- 1 new blood 1040155;1425425511;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/75f7e94396cc9bca 1040156;1425425535;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.vhost-.1:f73baccc083341a1a24cc121f1ec7c3c2618b1e9b182f84511e1dc2924f9d213 1040157;1425425535;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for vhost- with note: new blood 1040158;1425425843;mircea_popescu;Subject: Programmer | Designer | Coder @ $599/month onwards From: "Patricia Jones" 1040159;1425425847;mircea_popescu;dude srsly ? 1040160;1425426051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40131 @ 0.00036706 = 14.7305 BTC [+] 1040161;1425426133;mircea_popescu;Hi, Do you have a plan to expand your team by hiring an affordable virtual resource? We offer dedicated resources for your project needs, with free project management support. 1040162;1425426167;lobbes;I love that term; 'resources' 1040163;1425426188;PeterL;seems rather vague, what are the actually trying to sell? 1040164;1425426216;mircea_popescu;nothing. 1040165;1425426219;mircea_popescu;for 599 a month. 1040166;1425426327;mircea_popescu;!up ecstaticpessimst 1040167;1425427119;cazalla;scoopbot -fetch 1040168;1425427141;NewLiberty;"free project management support" = they'll spend your money for you and won't charge more than the money that they spend for you? 1040169;1425427144;cazalla;no offense PeterL but scoopbot is the worst bot evar 1040170;1425427146;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/03/antonopoulos-afp-ag-ato-appear-before-australian-senate/ 1040171;1425427147;assbot;Antonopoulos, AFP, AG & ATO Appear Before Australian Senate | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPbNFm ) 1040172;1425427158;PeterL;sorry, cazalla 1040173;1425427194;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: ewww 1040174;1425427246;BingoBoingo;What, those are some tig ole bitties 1040175;1425427268;gabriel_laddel;you kid, correct? 1040176;1425427393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00036995 = 22.419 BTC [+] {2} 1040177;1425427436;gabriel_laddel;in other news: http://www.shadbase.com/black-humor/ 1040178;1425427438;assbot;Shädbase - Black Humor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ne3XJV ) 1040179;1425427462;BingoBoingo;Sometimes you have to look past everything else and jsut acknowledge some big titties. 1040180;1425427475;gabriel_laddel;myeah. no. 1040181;1425428304;gabriel_laddel;!up jordandotdev 1040182;1425429284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65800 @ 0.00037281 = 24.5309 BTC [+] {2} 1040183;1425430199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81856 @ 0.00037283 = 30.5184 BTC [+] 1040184;1425431029;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_INR8ZXIAIIs2q.jpg << lulzy shot of coinbase orderbook, allegedly from earlier today, showing an order for *negative* bitcoin 1040185;1425431030;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELm1HO ) 1040186;1425431062;adlai;pete_dushenski: where's that from? 1040187;1425431104;pete_dushenski;guy on twitter, lemme find the link 1040188;1425431125;asciilifeform;pay'em to take it away 1040189;1425431135;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/KyleHolzhauer/status/572534708594208770 1040190;1425431136;assbot;/coinbase what's going on here... Shenanigans I tell ya http://t.co/Skb7C0FLkp 1040191;1425431194;cazalla;seen a few variations of that pop up 1040192;1425431220;pete_dushenski;remarkable.. 1040193;1425431236;adlai;i'm ashamed to admit that i have no clue what idiocy could produce such an error 1040194;1425431239;Pierre_Rochard;tried it myself, got “Invalid size†error. May be an API bug (or photoshopped) 1040195;1425431250;cazalla;was here a week back http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2x24lp/what_do_negative_bids_mean_coinbase_exchange/ 1040196;1425431252;assbot;What do negative bids mean? (Coinbase Exchange) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELmolF ) 1040197;1425431252;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard hello hello ! 1040198;1425431278;cazalla;client side apparently.. not that i'd know 1040199;1425431292;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: hello! how’s the new ride been treating you? 1040200;1425431326;pete_dushenski;lol it's rock solid in the winter 1040201;1425431337;pete_dushenski;starts up every time 1040202;1425431358;Pierre_Rochard;do you need chains on the wheels or are they civilized enough to sweep? 1040203;1425431359;nubbins`;hi 1040204;1425431372;pete_dushenski;nubbins`heyo 1040205;1425431389;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard they plow, sweep, etc. plus i have blizzak winter tires 1040206;1425431417;pete_dushenski;https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19465/breaking-canadian-exchange-quadrigacx-become-worlds-first-publicly-traded-bitcoin-exchange/ << i met the owner of this thing last year, gerald 1040207;1425431418;assbot;Breaking: Canadian Exchange QuadrigaCX to Become World’s First Publicly Traded Bitcoin Exchange – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELmFF6 ) 1040208;1425431436;pete_dushenski;at the time it seemed like a basement operation 1040209;1425431443;pete_dushenski;now, going 'public' 1040210;1425431471;nubbins`;dat feb state of bitcoin address 1040211;1425431497;BingoBoingo;!up Guest37440 1040212;1425431512;Pierre_Rochard;^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking 1040213;1425431549;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard so basically a bank you already know and trust with a btc trading platform 1040214;1425431600;Pierre_Rochard;not necessarily the same entity but in practice yes 1040215;1425431652;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/guardian-redact/guardian-redact.htm << wtf ? 1040216;1425431653;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELn4ro ) 1040217;1425431666;asciilifeform;(who filmed ?) 1040218;1425431699;asciilifeform;or was it idiot after-the-fact mock-up 1040219;1425431791;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club; think about hassling beria in that manner << to be fair, p. was no longer heading anything when he was 'flushed'. 1040220;1425431812;asciilifeform;hruschev was a whole gensec and what did that get him after retirement. 1040221;1425431822;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I may have to watch again less drunk, but I believe Poitras was behind the camera most of the time. 1040222;1425431826;BingoBoingo;!up MartinPonce 1040223;1425431832;BingoBoingo;Hello MartinPonce 1040224;1425431835;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform i'm guessing after the fact. 1040225;1425431846;nubbins`;for those of you who collect shiny things: 1040226;1425431847;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.0 1040227;1425431848;assbot;Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Zxiw ) 1040228;1425432012;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard anything new on your end these days ? any accounting software updates ? 1040229;1425432032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: beria actually picked up women... << based on the sources, i don't regard it as a solid historical fact 1040230;1425432148;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039672 1040231;1425432148;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 08:58:24; mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item) 1040232;1425432160;gabriel_laddel;^ ummm... http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/01/playstation-4-passes-18-5-million-sales-worldwide/ 1040233;1425432161;assbot;PlayStation 4 passes 18.5 million sales worldwide | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELo12U ) 1040234;1425432220;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: I’ve split the accounting logic from the webapp so that it’s just a python package. Cleaner and decrufted. Getting close to a stable-enough version to write up documentation 1040235;1425432232;gabriel_laddel;as for the original PSP, 76.3 million sales (as of March 31, 2012) 1040236;1425432236;gabriel_laddel;(worldwide) 1040237;1425432287;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard awesome 1040238;1425432375;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK. 1040239;1425432395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77700 @ 0.00037428 = 29.0816 BTC [+] {2} 1040240;1425432482;BingoBoingo;http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time.php 1040241;1425432484;assbot;Sand Won't Save You This Time. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELotOq ) 1040242;1425432546;BingoBoingo;^ Potentially useful for home 100nm IC fab 1040243;1425432753;nubbins`;pete_dushenski re: quadriga going public, here's the exchange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Securities_Exchange 1040244;1425432754;assbot;Canadian Securities Exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELp1Ec ) 1040245;1425432778;BingoBoingo;http://web.archive.org/web/20060318221608/http://www.airproducts.com/nr/rdonlyres/8479ed55-2170-4651-a3d4-223b2957a9f3/0/safetygram39.pdf 1040246;1425432849;pete_dushenski;nubbins` ayup. 1040247;1425433021;decimation;pete_dushenski: segregated fiat? like 100% reserve, physical bills laying in a warehouse? 1040248;1425433157;nubbins`;uh, what? 1040249;1425433165;nubbins`;quadrigacx lets you deposit gold 1040250;1425433197;decimation;nubbins`: can you withdraw gold? 1040251;1425433210;nubbins`;yes 1040252;1425433225;nubbins`;RCM 1oz bars 1040253;1425433232;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Dunchu No, U let everyone deposit everything and just hope some sort of market stability sticks 1040254;1425433249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00037631 = 17.3855 BTC [+] {2} 1040255;1425433274;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: notice how the remaining consoles are lightly-modified x86 boxes internally ? 1040256;1425433304;*;nubbins` shrugs 1040257;1425433307;nubbins`;wild 1040258;1425433312;nubbins`;gold->btc easier if this works 1040259;1425433421;pete_dushenski;decimation lol don't ask me, it's Pierre_Rochard's fantasy 1040260;1425433431;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And the previous generation PowerPC. Pure Apple style trechery. 1040261;1425433481;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo which new console is running powerpc guts ? 1040262;1425433490;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: actually no secret why. no one (and i mean no one) is making a serious serial-execution non-x86 cpu today 1040263;1425433492;asciilifeform;no one. 1040264;1425433507;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Neither, but the Ms360 and PS3 were bother powerPC 1040265;1425433542;decimation;I don't think we yanks can send money to canadian banks 1040266;1425433546;pete_dushenski;heh, who knew that i have a powerpc collecting dust at home! 1040267;1425433561;pete_dushenski;decimation paypal. 1040268;1425433566;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Amazing the damage a single decade does 1040269;1425433566;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1040270;1425433610;decimation;pete_dushenski: paypal does canadian EFT? 1040271;1425433634;Pierre_Rochard;decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve†by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation) 1040272;1425433641;pete_dushenski;decimation it does indeed. 1040273;1425433644;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: Nope. 1040274;1425433687;decimation;Pierre_Rochard: yeah that makes sense 1040275;1425433691;BingoBoingo;Then again the PowerPC console generation came as Apple left the architecture and IBM wanted anyone else to jsutify its continued work there 1040276;1425433710;asciilifeform;plenty of ppc in usg proprietary machinery 1040277;1425433711;decimation;Pierre_Rochard: I kinda assumed that non-scam exchanges would do this, but apparently nobody can resist 1040278;1425433727;asciilifeform;(but not enough for a legit commercial fab to turn a profit unless 'favourite son') 1040279;1425433754;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The value of the game consoles was the illusion of volume 1040280;1425433771;BingoBoingo;Or illusion of viability through volume 1040281;1425433806;BingoBoingo;But M$ in particular hit the same issues that sent Apple away "Red Ring of Death" 1040282;1425434286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00037652 = 15.6632 BTC [+] 1040283;1425434315;gabriel_laddel;"illusion of volume" << ? 1040284;1425434374;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Intended meaning one line lower. Vodka time 1040285;1425434386;ben_vulpes;!rate vhost- 2 taught me much 1040286;1425434387;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c419dfe455e10429 1040287;1425434392;BingoBoingo;http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-a-faq.htm#Q-META-CSS-STYLE >> Last word on design ever 1040288;1425434394;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELsceX ) 1040289;1425434416;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.vhost-.2:45f33ea63fd332565cd5944c27d4e2d71efa99db12620aef65556fa23229d0f5 1040290;1425434416;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for vhost- with note: taught me much 1040291;1425434496;BingoBoingo;And the only thing about Javascript that matters is >> http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-a-faq.htm#AEN562 1040292;1425434498;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELsqTi ) 1040293;1425434764;BingoBoingo;!up Guest21461 1040294;1425435115;BingoBoingo;!up ebit_ 1040295;1425435387;decimation;BingoBoingo: that CIF3 stuff is nasty 1040296;1425435426;BingoBoingo;decimation: Of course it is, but... semiconductor lithography... In the neighbor's shed! 1040297;1425435750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00036354 = 10.3609 BTC [-] 1040298;1425436055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00037883 = 22.2752 BTC [+] {2} 1040299;1425436141;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1040300;1425436147;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 281.84, vol: 18796.51371096 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 278.38, vol: 19043.02781 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 283.73, vol: 78418.16176281 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 282.3469, vol: 147610.75430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 278.35492, vol: 22.49694774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 287.325999989, vol: 177.90471922 | Volume-weighted last average: 282.438491329 1040301;1425436572;decimation;re: petraeus < I said they would never prosecute, and I'm not sure if I'm right or not 1040302;1425436595;decimation;it will be interesting to see how he is sentenced 1040303;1425436637;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: read the ClF3 link again, notice that it is used in si fab solely for cleaning tools. 1040304;1425436665;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, but cleaning after the fact is the next best thing to starting from a clean workspace 1040305;1425436707;BingoBoingo;decimation: Basically it seems the objective of the scandal was to keep him out of national politics. Mission accomplished as it rarely is. 1040306;1425436708;asciilifeform;the gas is merely one of 1,000 reasons why the fab costs what it does. 1040307;1425436761;asciilifeform;it is interesting to compare, in this respect, the semiconductor industry to... nuclear one 1040308;1425436798;asciilifeform;entirely workable schemes ('intrinsically safe' reactors made of pellets, etc.) have been proposed for reasonably inexpensive fission plants for home use 1040309;1425436822;asciilifeform;no one was in a great hurry to buy - but there were designs 1040310;1425436829;asciilifeform;si fab on the other hand: 1040311;1425436831;asciilifeform;zilch. 1040312;1425436835;BingoBoingo;Sure, Just cutting out safety seems to open a number of options. Like it does in batteries. 1040313;1425436909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00036354 = 11.0153 BTC [-] 1040314;1425436984;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cutting out completely looks rather like this: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg 1040315;1425436985;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELxabN ) 1040316;1425436996;decimation;BingoBoingo: that's an interesting angle on petraeus (keeping him out of politics) 1040317;1425437007;decimation;of course nearly everyone in washington is guilty of exactly the same crimes 1040318;1425437011;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for most engineered items, even for suicide soldiers, one finds something less extreme 1040319;1425437050;decimation;yeah, nuclear reactors are actually pretty simple in principle 1040320;1425437066;asciilifeform;decimation: how many usg employees that were once dealing in official secrets would come up entirely clean if their belongings were searched ? as in, not even a 'post-it note' 1040321;1425437066;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, but I imagine applications of walking biodiesel 1040322;1425437093;decimation;asciilifeform: well, look at that diane roark chick 1040323;1425437109;BingoBoingo;decimation: The thing is he took the post as an active duty officer and the affair itself presented another potentially chargeable crime. 1040324;1425437117;decimation;agents took nearly all of her personal papers and 'decided' which ones were actually classified at their own discretion 1040325;1425437129;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: these only get 'clintonized' if someone wills it to happen 1040326;1425437130;decimation;then they argue that the courts are not able to decide these matters 1040327;1425437145;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: because subject 'needs to have problems' 1040328;1425437150;decimation;BingoBoingo: yes, but under the ucmj 1040329;1425437188;BingoBoingo;decimation: But UMCJ would have applied. Part of the way to defanging nation. 1040330;1425437219;decimation;BingoBoingo: eh? 1040331;1425437222;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course. Petraeus's greatest problem was going as high as a primate could go. Purely sublizard being 1040332;1425437247;decimation;someone at DOJ had an agenda against him 1040333;1425437251;BingoBoingo;decimation: Higher you go the more UCMJ hit if it is applied 1040334;1425437265;decimation;everything usg does has a civil servant with an agenda behind it 1040335;1425437366;decimation;BingoBoingo: yeah, but instead he's going to jail instead of taking a demotion 1040336;1425437374;decimation;I don't get how that is even in the same ballpark 1040337;1425437408;BingoBoingo;decimation: Hasn't been sentenced yet. Anyways UCMJ provides for the occasional death penalty 1040338;1425438009;decimation;at any rate, I suspect the whole petraeus affair is merely designed to pour encourager les autres while simultaneously dinging a potential political rival 1040339;1425438058;*;BingoBoingo remembers in early 2012 before scandal Petraeus being floated as a more serious threat to Obola than Congress 1040340;1425438157;decimation;!up Dr-G 1040341;1425438178;BingoBoingo;!up bitspill 1040342;1425438182;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein 1040343;1425438220;BingoBoingo;Oh, the Harry Potter thing updated with two new chapters and still isn't over yet. 1040344;1425438251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46777 @ 0.00036097 = 16.8851 BTC [-] {2} 1040345;1425438483;decimation;“There is light in the world, and it is us!" Eliezer Yudkowsky, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality << "We are the ones we've been waiting for" Obama 1040346;1425438657;*;BingoBoingo still only on chapter 66 and closing chapters, which ought to be expected as I'm from a town with "auf wiedersehen" on the signs at its borders 1040347;1425438784;BingoBoingo;!up roseebit 1040348;1425438794;trinque;decimation: hilarious how close that is to christian rhetoric 1040349;1425438816;trinque;same heaven on earth myth too 1040350;1425438822;trinque;just with gadgets 1040351;1425438849;decimation;trinque: as a Christian I find their statements abhorrent 1040352;1425438886;decimation;because it asserts a form of 'christianity' without Christ 1040353;1425438902;decimation;"man is your god, and I am your prophet" 1040354;1425438905;trinque;right-o, it's a sort of techno-atheist christianity 1040355;1425438938;*;BingoBoingo is dissapoint in this fanfic/propaganda piece. Halfway through and no fucking? 1040356;1425438961;trinque;decimation: seems like bitcoin has attracted a lot of christians, not that I mind. I'm curious why that is, if so 1040357;1425438987;decimation;BingoBoingo: what about your woodchipper fetish harry potter? 1040358;1425438998;trinque;maybe there are more out there than I think 1040359;1425439037;BingoBoingo;decimation: Had the virtue of being short. At least blood has a lubricant quality all its own. 1040360;1425439078;BingoBoingo;decimation: And I did not write the woodchipper fanfic. Merely found it searching for tales of awesome machines. 1040361;1425439141;decimation;trinque: for myself, my interest in bitcoin flows directly from my interest in competent government 1040362;1425439253;trinque;makes sense 1040363;1425439342;decimation;I also think the fiat machine that enables mass theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary 1040364;1425439424;danielpbarron;decimation, what do you think of this?: Revelation 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[a] the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 1040365;1425439466;gabriel_laddel;... 1040366;1425439482;trinque;danielpbarron: sounds like antibitcoin 1040367;1425439492;danielpbarron;"no one may buy or sell except one who has ... the number of his name" 1040368;1425439517;danielpbarron;isn't a private key a number? 1040369;1425439518;trinque;danielpbarron: heh I could project the beast's key and my key onto that too 1040370;1425439548;decimation;danielpbarron: revelation is a difficult book. I have no idea what that means 1040371;1425439590;trinque;danielpbarron: I enjoy thinking of the usgov as the whore, though I've heard people argue thats the catholic church 1040372;1425439593;trinque;...supposedly 1040373;1425439647;decimation;danielpbarron: it is very interesting though 1040374;1425439664;danielpbarron;i'm not saying GPG and the WoT is the number and the beast necessarily, but the similarity is more striking than most ideas i've heard 1040375;1425439700;danielpbarron;seems more likely than the idea that carbon credits and rfid chips are the beast and mark 1040376;1425439706;decimation;hehe 1040377;1425439764;trinque;danielpbarron: evil does that doesn't it? takes something and twists it just a hair 1040378;1425439780;trinque;bitcoin plus some kind of address validation scheme plus govt-captured mining 1040379;1425439783;trinque;sure, it'd be just like that 1040380;1425439792;danielpbarron;no twist needed 1040381;1425439904;danielpbarron;Romans 13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have 1040382;1425439935;danielpbarron;but this could also refer to the serene republic 1040383;1425439959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00037984 = 4.8999 BTC [+] {2} 1040384;1425439993;decimation;danielpbarron: that was what I was going to bring up next. this text (romans 13) is difficult to put into practice in a universal suffrage democracy 1040385;1425440031;decimation;who exactly is to be the object of your submission? the law as written? or as interpreted by bureaucrats? or as voted by your neighbor? 1040386;1425440033;danielpbarron;the USG is surely wicked in that it enforces laws that are counter to The Bible 1040387;1425440067;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Could even the good doktor mark such a large keyspace as RSA as his numebers? 1040388;1425440067;danielpbarron;but if we are to take God at His word, even this wicked government is for good 1040389;1425440082;decimation;danielpbarron: aye 1040390;1425440103;BingoBoingo;Anyways, revelations is awfully late to be considered God's word. 1040391;1425440124;decimation;but that 'goodness' might be delivered through great destruction 1040392;1425440128;trinque;sounds a lot more like that guy John went on one hell of a psychedelic trip 1040393;1425440141;BingoBoingo;End of the world stuff would probably be better in Ezekiel with the horse dicks 1040394;1425440158;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, interestingly enough consider if someone came along who could factor any number of arbitrary length -- would that not appear to be a miracle? 1040395;1425440182;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: I'd need to know if they have a time machine or not. 1040396;1425440186;danielpbarron;such a person could sign a message as any user 1040397;1425440201;BingoBoingo;Depends on how good their time machine is 1040398;1425440305;trinque;danielpbarron: the passivity in romans 13 is the kind of thing I rejected on the way out of the church 1040399;1425440340;trinque;I could see myself in the past saying "well, if this 'authority' is not godly, they're no real authority" 1040400;1425440392;danielpbarron;i think it's along the lines of how this world is temporary anyway -- it's like the tower of babel to try to make heaven on earth 1040401;1425440475;danielpbarron;i mean, USG or b-a in charge either way this all gets destroyed ultimately ; but i think i'd rather have b-a in charge if there is a choice 1040402;1425440603;trinque;danielpbarron: ultimately no one's in charge of much 1040403;1425440633;mircea_popescu;!up roseebit 1040404;1425440637;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. Tis the extraordinarily rare prophet of doom who gets to see the doom while living. Jeremiah didn't 1040405;1425440639;mircea_popescu;roseebit are you in the wot ? 1040406;1425440665;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think whoever they are is in the DoS loop 1040407;1425440705;mircea_popescu;howdja mean ? 1040408;1425440728;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They keep getting voiced, bumped to guest*** and rejoining 1040409;1425440753;mircea_popescu;oh that yeah 1040410;1425440762;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040396 << are we confusing prime factorization and discrete logarithms? 1040411;1425440762;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 03:36:26; danielpbarron: such a person could sign a message as any user 1040412;1425440794;danielpbarron;isn't a private key a composite number with two very large prime numbers? 1040413;1425440802;trinque;+BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. << my world ends whether "the" world ends or not 1040414;1425440807;danielpbarron;or rather, relating to such a number 1040415;1425440839;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Depends on your algorithm. 1040416;1425440842;adlai;not really, there's just a single prime in bitcoin crypto, and there's no need to factor anything 1040417;1425440854;mircea_popescu;looking in the logs, apparently alf created a new word nao, "portatronic" 1040418;1425440863;mircea_popescu;sounds like a great vc toiletry service. 1040419;1425440883;danielpbarron;i guess i meant GPG specifically 1040420;1425440893;adlai;ok, so the confusion was on my end :) 1040421;1425440903;adlai;although not all gpg keys are rsa 1040422;1425441023;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron in the rsa scheme 1040423;1425441052;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Even with GPG not everything is RSA. Some people are stupid and use version 2-ish though it lacks backwards compatibility or they use 80's fail crypto which breaks easily. 1040424;1425441069;BingoBoingo;70's and 90's RSA is the strong stuff 1040425;1425441131;mircea_popescu;lol criptoenology 1040426;1425441223;BingoBoingo;IN the very worst case and RSA fails at least private languages aren't too bad compared to DES, provided the grammar and semantics are unique 1040427;1425441265;danielpbarron;even though it's still not proven, i'll go out on a limb saying that the ability to factor a number of arbitrary length would have to come from a supernatural source, and such a being could probably break all the alternative methods 1040428;1425441371;nubbins`;such a strange place, this 1040429;1425441393;BingoBoingo;If anyone has a time machine to lend I have all kinds of trans cholonolgical arbitrage opportunities that can enrish you provided you give me exactly one whole minute longer than it takes to start the machine alone with it. 1040430;1425441422;trinque;hahaha 1040431;1425441440;nubbins`;^ me from the future 1040432;1425441475;adlai;well anyone can factor a number of arbitrary length in arbitrary time... consistently being able to factor arbitrary length numbers in constant time, now that is a 'supernatural' algorithm, relative to current knowledge 1040433;1425441602;trinque;paradox police got him 1040434;1425441606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5814 @ 0.00037993 = 2.2089 BTC [+] 1040435;1425441642;mircea_popescu;this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done. 1040436;1425441650;mircea_popescu;and i have some practical experience wiht the issue. 1040437;1425441711;mircea_popescu;anyonw wanna send 50 bux via paypal for me ? 1040438;1425441750;*;adlai is no longer a pay pal >:( 1040439;1425441772;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, i can do that 1040440;1425441786;mircea_popescu;i remember a time, maybe 10 or so years ago, when having a paypal was like, a point of pride. 1040441;1425441910;adlai;>:( expresses annoyance, not shame (or lack of pride) 1040442;1425441966;adlai;;;ticker --market all 1040443;1425441972;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 276.71, vol: 18996.35978116 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 274.711, vol: 18812.28951 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 279.58, vol: 84375.6220414 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 278.13706, vol: 152561.77060000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 276.31875, vol: 22.90894774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 280.367, vol: 178.00907986 | Volume-weighted last average: 278.248147885 1040444;1425441993;adlai;chicken coming down to roost 1040445;1425442005;mircea_popescu;where is that valkirie 1040446;1425442013;danielpbarron;lol paypal nags me every time i log in now about how i haven't given them enough KYC but they let me send money regardless 1040447;1425442022;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AlEvy0fJto 1040448;1425442023;assbot;Richard Wagner - The ride of the Valkyries from "Die Walküre" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJS1rJ ) 1040449;1425442050;*;adlai needs to try this as coding music 1040450;1425442080;mircea_popescu;totally. 1040451;1425442144;adlai;got good mileage out of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhT0g9jULpw but can't get too locked to one genre 1040452;1425442146;assbot;Metallica - Ride The Lightning - Full Album (HD 720p) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJSQ3B ) 1040453;1425442154;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the notion of a "deprecated symbol" boggles my mind., 1040454;1425442164;mircea_popescu;can you explain wtf it's supposed to be even ? 1040455;1425442207;decimation;adlai: recently i've become a fan of arvo pärt (yes, via moldbug) 1040456;1425442251;adlai;also tatran 1040457;1425442260;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1040051 << this is exactly correct. obscure fucking sides of an obscure place in an fucking thing (linux) 1040458;1425442260;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it 1040459;1425442265;mircea_popescu;obscuritas in tenebrae. 1040460;1425442276;adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNudxZEIfqU 1040461;1425442277;assbot;TATRAN - WW III (Album Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zUGKFo ) 1040462;1425442361;BingoBoingo; this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done. << Is any truly dark art otherwise? When you surrender the truth of mathematics to language? 1040463;1425442391;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wtf it's supposed to be << it's precisely what it looks like to the unarmed eye: a perfectly good symbol that a shitgnome whose arsehole pines for the stake decided to zap to boost his feeling of relevance and be '1337 contributor' 1040464;1425442461;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: obscure fucking sides of an obscure place << widely used gizmo. but apparently everybody but me just takes the binary 1040465;1425442469;decimation;asciilifeform: how can you 'do' package management without keeping track of the symbols 1040466;1425442482;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform overheard right now "o yeah ? well the gentoo manual was down for likle... 3 days. i don't think this is a good sign" 1040467;1425442512;adlai;fwiw, 'private language' has served organisms rather well for countless generations, we've only been toying with information hiding for an instant in comparison 1040468;1425442515;asciilifeform;decimation: subject of thread was yet another case of gizmo that won't build on account of 'obsolete' things having been removed from something 1040469;1425442554;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your idea of widely differs from nature. 1040470;1425442565;mircea_popescu;what's widely, 50 actual usecases which all depend on the same three contractors ? 1040471;1425442573;decimation;asciilifeform: yes but didn't you once say that package management can only be properly done at the language level? 1040472;1425442576;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neh those use proprietary adas 1040473;1425442583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'widely' is mostly uni students 1040474;1425442591;asciilifeform;decimation: aha 1040475;1425442600;asciilifeform;decimation: but i didn't create the universe in question, nobody asked me 1040476;1425442607;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2015#1012685 1040477;1425442607;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: trying to explain that it is quit impossible to have a package management system above the language level that is not dumbed down by support for braindamaged languages. 1040478;1425442613;asciilifeform;aha 1040479;1425442634;asciilifeform;decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library. 1040480;1425442641;adlai;asciilifeform: any particular reason for your love of ada, specifically? 1040481;1425442644;asciilifeform;(yes, let's call things by their true names - sabotage) 1040482;1425442651;asciilifeform;adlai: i'd love to learn of a substitute for ada 1040483;1425442663;decimation;asciilifeform: well, this is a general problem in C programming - the failure to provide a global namespace 1040484;1425442707;decimation;"no, I want the writef() that does the stuff, not the writef() that displays singing monkeys" 1040485;1425442708;asciilifeform;that is, a hard-standardized (iso preferred) prog. lang. with safe types and deterministic memory usage, that has extant compiler back-ends for all major cpu architectures 1040486;1425442718;asciilifeform;and is happy with, e.g., 64k of total machine ram 1040487;1425442737;asciilifeform;^ ocaml, say, is right out 1040488;1425442742;asciilifeform;ditto erlang 1040489;1425442771;asciilifeform;ada's the only game in town for this not-uncommon set of constraints 1040490;1425442777;decimation;asciilifeform: also it's probably never going to attract hipsters 1040491;1425442782;asciilifeform;in much the same way that mpex is the only game in town in its field 1040492;1425442805;asciilifeform;i don't give a flying fuck either way about the hipsters 1040493;1425442808;BingoBoingo; decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library. << So on OpenBSD I'm nt finding an Ada port or package that works with sufficient frequency to make it too the tree. Looking like the turdswitch may have been flipped in GCC 1040494;1425442829;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there's a set of ports for 'dragonfly bsd' 1040495;1425442834;asciilifeform;which ought to work on others 1040496;1425442914;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Dragonfly ports are mostly loose FreeBSD ports with little guarentee of working. There are older Ada and the visual Ada IDE ports for OpenBSD, but... it seems fuckers would on the whole rather test "go" 1040497;1425442938;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if gcc works, so will ada, enable it when configuring gcc 1040498;1425442956;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you insist on the ada foundation's bleeding edge thing - that's another matter that i can't help with 1040499;1425442959;mircea_popescu;!up roseebit 1040500;1425442983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, "uni studends" right. "use" mhm kay. 1040501;1425442984;*;BingoBoingo is working on the pressing problem of testing other possible bitcoind/qts atm 1040502;1425443017;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So far been searchin for 95 compatible gnat and IDE safety net 1040503;1425443039;asciilifeform;http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-201502-15.xml << speaking of gentoo... 1040504;1425443040;assbot;Gentoo Linux Documentation-- Samba: Multiple vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJYP8E ) 1040505;1425443057;*;adlai stumbles upon https://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/impl/alsp/0.html 1040506;1425443058;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJYVgv ) 1040507;1425443058;asciilifeform;^ you don't have to use winblows to be pwned using winblows pwnhole 1040508;1425443071;adlai;Version: 1.0 (17-MAR-86) 1040509;1425443077;asciilifeform;^ don't keep windblows box in the house. then no need for 'samba' and the associated idiocies 1040510;1425443086;adlai;iirc that's before 0.5.3 1040511;1425443105;mircea_popescu;what is samba again ? 1040512;1425443110;adlai;windows filesharing 1040513;1425443118;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Windows NFS substitute 1040514;1425443119;decimation;mircea_popescu: it's an implementation of cifs, which is the standard windows network filesystem 1040515;1425443124;mircea_popescu;"Samba is a suite of SMB and CIFS client/server programs." szus nothing to me 1040516;1425443128;mircea_popescu;oh oh 1040517;1425443131;asciilifeform;adlai: interestingly, symbolics lisp mach. had full datastructure interoperability between zetalisp, common lisp, fortran, ada, - even c. 1040518;1425443187;adlai;"had"? i thought there was at least one working lispm in the republic! 1040519;1425443190;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1040172 << but srsly, you watching its uptime ? 1040520;1425443190;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 23:59:18; PeterL: sorry, cazalla 1040521;1425443192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17346 @ 0.00038114 = 6.6113 BTC [+] {2} 1040522;1425443207;asciilifeform;adlai: haven't switched it on in a good long while. 1040523;1425443222;decimation;asciilifeform: re: software that kills < http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319903 < the toyota thing was discussed here in the past 1040524;1425443224;assbot;Toyota Case: Single Bit Flip That Killed | EE Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GibvJH ) 1040525;1425443253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26954 @ 0.00038246 = 10.3088 BTC [+] 1040526;1425443258;*;BingoBoingo confesses running to OpenBSD instead of Gentoo not because of knowledge, but from a lack of knowledge. Still determine personal minimal set of installed software. No confident enough to make best choices on a whole workstation (as opposed to appliance) stack. 1040527;1425443260;asciilifeform;speaking of the ada foundation, i randomly tested their mac port ( http://mirrors.cdn.adacore.com/art/ee55f5eb79cb118552c03fc83fa2d5c1580f5353 ) and it only segfaults. 1040528;1425443268;asciilifeform;as in, every single one of the executables. 1040529;1425443274;asciilifeform;does -anybody- test this crap ? 1040530;1425443299;mircea_popescu;dude that shadbase.com thing... 1040531;1425443303;decimation;asciilifeform: I spent a few days trying to get ada working on osx 10.9, gave up 1040532;1425443304;mircea_popescu;wtf is it, someone's lcd trip ? 1040533;1425443317;asciilifeform;decimation: use gcc's. 1040534;1425443323;decimation;macports has a 'port' of gcc-gnat , but it requires an existing ada compiler to build 1040535;1425443327;adlai;lcd trip = lsd + advertisements? 1040536;1425443332;asciilifeform;decimation: comes with one, typically 1040537;1425443343;decimation;it swore that it didn't 1040538;1425443350;decimation;I don't understand why 1040539;1425443359;asciilifeform;i suppose that was only on real computer 1040540;1425443383;mircea_popescu;adlai lol 1040541;1425443400;gabriel_laddel;lcd trip? 1040542;1425443410;mircea_popescu;it's a joke! 1040543;1425443421;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040184 << obviously, their ada wasn't tested. 1040544;1425443421;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 01:03:49; pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_INR8ZXIAIIs2q.jpg << lulzy shot of coinbase orderbook, allegedly from earlier today, showing an order for *negative* bitcoin 1040545;1425443430;decimation;asciilifeform: macports suggested four alternatives, none of which were available or worked 1040546;1425443430;gabriel_laddel;haha... 1040547;1425443436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00037921 = 5.0435 BTC [-] 1040548;1425443446;adlai;asciilifeform: what's the lispm good for these days? i'm intrigued by them but (as you yourself have said) software sim is much more practical these days 1040549;1425443458;BingoBoingo;One of these days, would love to use as main online computter http://webspace.webring.com/people/a7/717171/Blacky.html 1040550;1425443459;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK1krB ) 1040551;1425443465;asciilifeform;adlai: for satisfying curiosity about what it actually felt like in the period 1040552;1425443474;asciilifeform;adlai: for just about everything else, the emulator 1040553;1425443483;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040208 << it's only like the... 5th or so to falsely claim firstness on that score. 1040554;1425443483;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 01:10:36; pete_dushenski: at the time it seemed like a basement operation 1040555;1425443501;asciilifeform;adlai: though if you want a '100% authentic' experience with the emulator, you'll need a symbolics keyboard and an adapter 1040556;1425443504;mircea_popescu;but hey, bitcoin ragazine material. 1040557;1425443528;asciilifeform;(not available commercially. i reversed the keyboard, then some german fella made adapter) 1040558;1425443535;asciilifeform;not even sure if he used my schematic or not 1040559;1425443539;asciilifeform;don't much care today 1040560;1425443551;adlai;you used a regular keyboard with the lispm? 1040561;1425443552;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040212 << iirc this exists, since about 2011. davout's thing. 1040562;1425443552;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 01:11:52; Pierre_Rochard: ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking 1040563;1425443558;asciilifeform;adlai: no. reverse 1040564;1425443560;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There were people inquiring about qntra submisisons on the firstness of that, but when pressed to source... saw necessary hedges unnews'd it 1040565;1425443562;adlai;or the symbolics keyboard with the emulator? 1040566;1425443563;asciilifeform;lispm keyboard with pc 1040567;1425443566;adlai;ok 1040568;1425443609;BingoBoingo;adlai: Why can't scalpl beat http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/ 1040569;1425443610;assbot;Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK2bIF ) 1040570;1425443647;asciilifeform;adlai: http://www.asciilifeform.com/images/3.png 1040571;1425443648;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK2nYt ) 1040572;1425443665;adlai;BingoBoingo: "why did the dinosaur cross the road? because the chicken hadn't yet evolved" 1040573;1425443668;asciilifeform;adlai: of what? of http://www.asciilifeform.com/bolix/bolix.png 1040574;1425443671;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK2uDh ) 1040575;1425443699;asciilifeform;there was another, later white kbd, which i have, with entirely different internals - but protocol-compatible with the old scanned-matrix one pictured here 1040576;1425443717;BingoBoingo;adlai: If I had knowledge to author regex, I'd have a refutation... 1040577;1425443735;adlai;no, you'd have two problems 1040578;1425443741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00037649 = 11.8594 BTC [-] 1040579;1425443759;adlai;regex authorship is a treacherous knowledge 1040580;1425443791;asciilifeform;lispm gives an interesting feeling straight away - of computer that cost what a business airplane cost, and intended to maximize the thinking power of an economically-important thinking person 1040581;1425443824;asciilifeform;for instance, the console was really a powerful computer in its own right (contained video rendered and sound card) and could be separated from the (very loud!) machine by, iirc, 200 metres! 1040582;1425443837;asciilifeform;a multiaxial shielded cable was included for this purpose 1040583;1425443845;asciilifeform;we -still!!!!- don't have this with x86 pc! 1040584;1425443848;BingoBoingo;adlai: A number of technologies produce by a factor of ten more probems than they solve, why would regex be so bad. Not like it is python... 1040585;1425443856;asciilifeform;i listen to fucking fans all day long 1040586;1425443859;asciilifeform;because we don't have this. 1040587;1425443861;mircea_popescu;haha fawks was evil. 1040588;1425443887;BingoBoingo; haha fawks was evil. << The phoenix, no. Chaotic neutral 1040589;1425443899;mircea_popescu;i mean evil as in, wicked. 1040590;1425443922;gabriel_laddel;interestingly, the common lisp standard doesn't contain regular expressions. Why? Because they're unnecessary when you don't ever have to parse input. 1040591;1425443927;asciilifeform;^ 1040592;1425443929;asciilifeform;see also naggum 1040593;1425443947;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040220 << beria is the better comparison point. 1040594;1425443947;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 01:16:52; asciilifeform: hruschev was a whole gensec and what did that get him after retirement. 1040595;1425443962;BingoBoingo;Amazingly sbcl, no problem on OpenBSD. Any Ada at all, huge fucking pain. 1040596;1425443962;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1040597;1425443977;adlai;does it thread? 1040598;1425443980;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: tried the one built into gcc yet? 1040599;1425443999;asciilifeform;adlai: sbcl, iirc, threads everywhere at this point 1040600;1425444010;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel you stil lthink 18mn units sold means something ? 1040601;1425444019;asciilifeform;if asking about ada, the standard requires platform-independent 100% usable threading 1040602;1425444042;asciilifeform;in fact, it requires program to behave in exactly the same way on any platform, if using only what is contained in the standard 1040603;1425444042;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: with respect to the claim that console gaming is 'dead' - yes. 1040604;1425444042;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Haven't got response to it yet, lack time for my Micheal J Fox hands. adlai Even bitcoin-qt threads beautifully here 1040605;1425444083;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040238 << it's never the case that you can find one of these "things that be" (as per http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-03-2015#1038150 ) that doesn't have a mole ready to go wherever. 1040606;1425444083;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 01:26:15; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK. 1040607;1425444083;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: but seriously, wikipedia is returned because "fact:wikipedia is what we promote" rather than any "algorithmics" 1040608;1425444092;mircea_popescu;it's kind-of like looking for a soviet army unit without a political comissar. 1040609;1425444094;adlai;http://www.sbcl.org/platform-table.html < pogobsd seems unsupported 1040610;1425444095;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK4XxI ) 1040611;1425444103;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel "dead" in the sense of, "not what gaming is" 1040612;1425444111;mircea_popescu;they had a chance at making games = consoles, prior to 94 1040613;1425444116;asciilifeform;adlai: who the fuck needs regex when you have set-macro-character ( http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_ma.htm ) and brain 1040614;1425444117;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK5aAM ) 1040615;1425444117;gabriel_laddel;adlai: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/XpvUwF2xKbk/Xz4Mww0ZwLIJ 1040616;1425444118;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK5aRr ) 1040617;1425444124;mircea_popescu;apple came a lot closer to making phones = iphone 1040618;1425444132;mircea_popescu;ultimately also failed. it's a hard fcking thing. 1040619;1425444140;mircea_popescu;but ibm did succeed, making computers = their micros. 1040620;1425444185;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I watched citizenfour at my drunk and most socially aware BAC. They talked about the shortlived Snowden2.0 in Russia. His opsec failure was making any contact with Greenhole. 1040621;1425444195;adlai;asciilifeform: who the fuck needs lispworks when you have http://l1sp.org/search?q=s-m-c 1040622;1425444196;assbot;s-m-c - l1sp.org search ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK5GyT ) 1040623;1425444221;asciilifeform;adlai: it seems to link right back to lispworkd 1040624;1425444224;asciilifeform;s 1040625;1425444242;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: kk. 1040626;1425444248;adlai;well yes, but shorter and clearer what you're sinking to, cf http://l1sp.org/cl/3.1.2.1.2.3 1040627;1425444249;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GidMEQ ) 1040628;1425444258;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel so yeah, not dead dead. "dead". 1040629;1425444297;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, "xerox" is still how you say copier machine / to copy paper by machine in most of the world. 1040630;1425444299;adlai;gabriel_laddel: c.l.l... 1040631;1425444309;gabriel_laddel;adlai: ? 1040632;1425444321;gabriel_laddel;adlai: I was linking you to it b/c you asked why one might want a lispm 1040633;1425444332;gabriel_laddel;adlai: apparently the text editor rocks 1040634;1425444340;gabriel_laddel;Which is unsurprising. 1040635;1425444362;asciilifeform;adlai: 3.1.2.1.2.3 is clearer than f_set_ma ?!?! on what planet, wtf 1040636;1425444365;*;BingoBoingo amazed building python2.7.8 from ports much less pain than building sbcl whatever the available was. 1040637;1425444380;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me you're all very drunk. 1040638;1425444409;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But on what? (easier to answer for what I am drunk on than the others) 1040639;1425444410;adlai;for values of EtOH approaching Δ9-THC 1040640;1425444433;BingoBoingo;You Jews and your herbs 1040641;1425444443;BingoBoingo;Moses set a bad example 1040642;1425444453;adlai;gabriel_laddel: i'm reading, thank you. asciilifeform dunno, i recognize many sections by number 1040643;1425444458;decimation;asciilifeform: regex does seem to be a kind of 'hair shirt' that is proudly worn by modern programmers 1040644;1425444471;asciilifeform;adlai: lol, i do also, but the other folks here ?! 1040645;1425444474;asciilifeform;doubt it 1040646;1425444630;adlai;;;isup l1sp.org/mop 1040647;1425444632;gribble;l1sp.org/mop is up 1040648;1425444637;adlai;lies 1040649;1425444641;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040271 << tbh, i suspect there are fundamental problems that prevent functional implementations of this segregation in functional currencies. you're essentially stuck choosing : either fiat currency and imaginary "segregation" (of definitionally worthless "money") or else strong currency and no segregation. 1040650;1425444641;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 01:47:14; Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve†by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation) 1040651;1425444655;mircea_popescu;the correct solution probably is to simply put someone in charge, and have them answer with their head. 1040652;1425444656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00038039 = 24.1928 BTC [+] {2} 1040653;1425444662;adlai;you people seen tlsnotary yet? 1040654;1425444667;mircea_popescu;which will make large banking concerns impossible, but perhaps to no detriment. 1040655;1425444671;decimation;BingoBoingo: one thing snowden is his brazen equivocation between domestic and foreign espionage 1040656;1425444693;mircea_popescu;decimation missing a verb ? 1040657;1425444716;decimation;ah sorry, ^ one thing that bothers me about snowden 1040658;1425444723;gabriel_laddel;adlai: No, but looking at the website.... why do you mention it? 1040659;1425444727;mircea_popescu;can you explain the difference ? 1040660;1425444775;adlai;tlsnotary lets you turn any bank with functional online services into the fiat side of a wot-based exchange 1040661;1425444787;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, today at $censored_firm we were suddenly excited to learn that a very, very costly $censored_guild_professional will accept a document via 'pgp'... only to learn that he was speaking of a 100%-proprietary turdware 1040662;1425444810;adlai;tlsnotary [purports to let you]*, (but they seem to know what they're doing, as far as i can tell) 1040663;1425444818;asciilifeform;that won't touch normal pgp keys, and requires centrally-blessed 'certs' 1040664;1425444830;BingoBoingo;decimation: Snowden is still you enough for an Anerican to be angry about his circumstances of origin. Provided the documentary interviews actually involved him he seemed personally slighted that his HK room hotel phone listened. 1040665;1425444870;adlai;gabriel_laddel: i was just trying to show off more l1sp.org features 1040666;1425444902;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aha they took reop as is... Even with the part where it only exists as a "go" turd 1040667;1425444904;decimation;BingoBoingo: snowden seems to be 5% 'whistleblower' and 95% 'media sensation' 1040668;1425444920;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nope. ssl-based crap 1040669;1425444922;adlai;asciilifeform: the convenience of pgp with all the trustlessness of ssl! 1040670;1425444931;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: by $american_megacorp 1040671;1425444948;asciilifeform;very similar to what's used in usg dod 1040672;1425444967;mircea_popescu;adlai lmao exactly. 1040673;1425444971;asciilifeform;anyway, you lot missed the only remarkable fact about this tale 1040674;1425444974;BingoBoingo;decimation: Media sensation part seem sto mostly have been an asbestos jacket. He seems, if film was honest to know it was a life shortening ploy, but less so than what manning did. 1040675;1425444978;asciilifeform;that the fella actually thought he was 'using pgp' 1040676;1425444985;asciilifeform;i.e., that this is what pgp is 1040677;1425444998;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why do you think the idiocy of a bureaucrat is remarkable to any degree ? 1040678;1425444998;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: S.Mime 1040679;1425445005;adlai;http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2014-September/022803.html < tlsnotary overview by the author, conveys details better than a tl;dr 1040680;1425445005;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKbcRZ ) 1040681;1425445006;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not a bureaucrat 1040682;1425445007;mircea_popescu;he thinks his life is a life, and his woman a woman, and so on and so forth 1040683;1425445010;mircea_popescu;orly ? 1040684;1425445097;*;adlai guesses that $censored_guild has set the bar rather low... 1040685;1425445100;decimation;ultimately, snowden's downfall is that he's a libertard, and that by 'creating a conversation' or 'raising awareness' he can accomplishing anything is a fallacy 1040686;1425445120;asciilifeform;adlai: apparently. 1040687;1425445126;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe have one of the more socially perceptive girls screen the citizenfour thing to see if it is worthy of your eyes. Nothing about it suggest weakening opsec in the slightest. Just do they get the same Greenwald was the snitch vibe that I did. 1040688;1425445133;mircea_popescu;decimation a lot has been accomplished however. 1040689;1425445162;*;adlai mourns the pun's sad lonely death 1040690;1425445187;decimation;mircea_popescu: satans invisible world revealed? 1040691;1425445189;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: WOuld explain alot about Omi*'s reported media empire failure method 1040692;1425445209;decimation;BingoBoingo: it's pretty obvious that snowden got 'help' from somebody 1040693;1425445209;mircea_popescu;decimation nope. understand : when usg wants to impress me it's stuck prosecuting derps like shrem. 1040694;1425445221;mircea_popescu;when i want to impress it i need but point to that. 1040695;1425445226;mircea_popescu;score is about 1000:1 so far. 1040696;1425445231;mircea_popescu;just for this reason. 1040697;1425445242;mircea_popescu;puts every single usg drone in a very uncomfortable position. 1040698;1425445245;asciilifeform;greenwald is the same animal as every other creature who 1) had a copy of The Goods + 2) sat and continues to sit on it 1040699;1425445256;asciilifeform;+ 3) throws out censored gibblets 1040700;1425445257;BingoBoingo;decimation: May also be infered from film that he prolly fucked the Poitras chick to here positive reception 1040701;1425445271;adlai;the state of "digital signatures" in the fiat world is quite sad... if anybody wants a sad laugh, https://boards.greenhouse.io/hellosign/jobs/5726 1040702;1425445272;assbot;Job Application for API Evangelist at HelloSign ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKd0dZ ) 1040703;1425445273;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform meta-people, basically. unable to act because stuck pondering implications as a passtime. 1040704;1425445289;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: much too charitable a reading 1040705;1425445298;asciilifeform;i see them as fellating usg actively, plain and simple 1040706;1425445304;mircea_popescu;adlai all this "evangelist" bs. they should just hire linda for an evening's outcall and stfu already. 1040707;1425445314;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the two aren't distinct. 1040708;1425445314;decimation;asciilifeform: they would see themselves as reformers 1040709;1425445330;mircea_popescu;the usg essentially consists of this : "instead of doing anything, why not sit on your ass and ruminate the future ?" 1040710;1425445336;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc greenwald doesn't go chicks 1040711;1425445354;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: schwartz summed it up as 'More Studies Needed! (tm)' 1040712;1425445362;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No greenwald loves the cock. Talking likely Snowden Poitras affair 1040713;1425445367;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i muchly doubt anyone ever fucked the poitras chick. 1040714;1425445384;asciilifeform;why not ? 1040715;1425445390;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But you haven't even heard the loving narration. 1040716;1425445397;mircea_popescu;she has that vibe. the female equivalent of the male creep. 1040717;1425445419;asciilifeform;to borrow dan mocsny's device, 'like the ruins of a great city, you can tell the woman was once beautiful - but you wouldn't want to move into parthenon' 1040718;1425445427;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thar she does, but snowden was compelled to "prison rules" 1040719;1425445434;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more studies needed, this is the controversy, progress and change, all sortsa gunk. 1040720;1425445440;decimation;http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-assange-wikileaks-and-russia-2013-8?op=1 1040721;1425445442;assbot;Snowden, Assange, WikiLeaks, and Russia - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1GigUAw ) 1040722;1425445474;gabriel_laddel;Germane to the discussion of "humanity sucks", http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/crap.htm 1040723;1425445475;assbot; STURGEON WAS AN OPTIMIST ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gih0bx ) 1040724;1425445485;BingoBoingo;Snowden2 though contacted the wrong one of the set of journalists first and was quieted. 1040725;1425445509;asciilifeform;!b 1 1040726;1425445509;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11GVEF9.txt ) 1040727;1425445543;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040339 << this much is true. 1040728;1425445543;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 03:00:58; *: BingoBoingo remembers in early 2012 before scandal Petraeus being floated as a more serious threat to Obola than Congress 1040729;1425445543;BingoBoingo;Film was ambiguous, but leaned towards greenwald having been contacted first. 1040730;1425445544;decimation;BingoBoingo: you mean wikileaks? 1040731;1425445549;adlai;or one from the wrong set from the set of sets of journalists 1040732;1425445602;*;adlai recalls some mention of poitras being contacted first, but read this in an interview with her and only her 1040733;1425445608;BingoBoingo;decimation: I mean Petraeus was on track to be the next two term president following Obola based on his opposition to Obola which would have followed both without consequence 1040734;1425445623;decimation;snowden might have contacted wikileaks acting as a foil for the russian security services 1040735;1425445660;*;adlai wonders how much longer the business model of leak-digestion will survive, before leakers just... leak 1040736;1425445672;decimation;at any rate, I don't think poitras or greenwald have enough of a clue to move a person of interest across borders 1040737;1425445676;BingoBoingo;adlai: Snowden successfully contacted Poitras first. More than a year after attempting Greenwald the frist time. Not sure, but second snowden seemed to contact Greenwald while snowden1 in Moscow. Disappeared. 1040738;1425445677;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040355 << you shall know a lizzard always and everywhere by this sign, that being a reptile has no grasp or appreciation for mammal reproduction. 1040739;1425445677;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 03:15:38; *: BingoBoingo is dissapoint in this fanfic/propaganda piece. Halfway through and no fucking? 1040740;1425445682;mircea_popescu;they lay fucking eggs. 1040741;1425445720;asciilifeform;!b 3 1040742;1425445720;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0B53W5M.txt ) 1040743;1425445731;adlai;but this is not even his final form! beware platypus-hitler 1040744;1425445762;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040363 << wait so you're against interest ?! 1040745;1425445762;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 03:22:22; decimation: I also think the fiat machine that enables mass theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary 1040746;1425445776;adlai;BingoBoingo: i've lost track of the snowden's of yesteryear 1040747;1425445777;mircea_popescu;the us fed is just about ready to implement the ancient christian venice. 1040748;1425445792;decimation;mircea_popescu: the meating of usary has changed over the ages 1040749;1425445802;mircea_popescu;so what do you mean ? 1040750;1425445807;mircea_popescu;(and it's usury) 1040751;1425445808;BingoBoingo;adlai: You are kinda in the USian ideology testlab. sounds dangerous 1040752;1425445810;adlai;usary! 1040753;1425445817;decimation;'theft of money lent' 1040754;1425445823;mircea_popescu;as in, defalcation ? 1040755;1425445832;decimation;heh I suppose so 1040756;1425445842;decimation;perhaps 'theft' is more appropriate 1040757;1425445845;adlai;BingoBoingo: ...? 1040758;1425445893;*;adlai isn't sure whether BingoBoingo is talking about geopolitics, ideology, or some mix of them; and to what degree trolling/mockery is distinguishable from his own actual opinions/beliefs 1040759;1425445895;BingoBoingo;adlai: Modern Israel is nothing more or less than the average middle west resident imagines gryffindor to be 1040760;1425445907;mircea_popescu;the common law has some categories. there's robbery, with violence. there's theft, without violence but with the knowledge of the victim. there's fraud, without the initial knowledge of the victim. there's embezzelment, where the victim isn't a person per se. and there's defalcation, which is merely negligent or reckless, rather than intentional. 1040761;1425445932;BingoBoingo;adlai: Maybe the point is you can't know. 1040762;1425445954;decimation;it's hard to say, because who can divine the intent of usg? 1040763;1425445970;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040368 << everything's a number, in the sense of , ennumerable. 1040764;1425445970;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 03:25:17; danielpbarron: isn't a private key a number? 1040765;1425445973;adlai;slightly related, friend who worked one of those shit-selling carts in a canadian mall, hocking 'Dead Sea' products, got asked by a straight-faced mark: "isn't that where captain jack sparrow was from?" 1040766;1425445977;*;BingoBoingo working on that since I can't code for shit 1040767;1425446019;BingoBoingo; slightly related, friend who worked one of those shit-selling carts in a canadian mall, hocking 'Dead Sea' products, got asked by a straight-faced mark: "isn't that where captain jack sparrow was from?" << At our local malls those were all hookers at the carts 1040768;1425446022;adlai;mircea_popescu: it gets better when you realize that even everypair's a number 1040769;1425446046;mircea_popescu;adlai who ? 1040770;1425446071;adlai;eg, "compressed ECDSA key" is pretty much the same general idea as the proof that there are 'as many' rational numbers as integers 1040771;1425446117;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of space in that pretty much. 1040772;1425446125;adlai;uncompressed ECDSA key = (x,y) on the curve; compressed = a single number that can have the coordinates extracted from it, because the lines described by the range of compressed keys each intersect the [top half of the] curve at one point 1040773;1425446193;BingoBoingo;Are we sure the fanfic propaganda guy isn't a teen girl "As it turned out, nobody had worked out that her challenging Neville to a Most Ancient Duel meant that she liked him. She'd thought it would be obvious but no, nobody else had even thought of that apparently." 1040774;1425446220;mircea_popescu;lmai 1040775;1425446222;asciilifeform;concat (int a, int b) -> int n 1040776;1425446224;asciilifeform;^ proof 1040777;1425446227;mircea_popescu;why are all these derps so adolescent ? 1040778;1425446243;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so 22/3 = 2/23 ? 1040779;1425446257;mircea_popescu;why not f(a,b) = 1 then 1040780;1425446275;adlai;concatenation doesn't work, you need to interleave 1040781;1425446279;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Actual line from text you though worthy of offering a solution to: "Currently she was being referred to as the Sparkly Unicorn Princess of the Noble and Most Ancient House of Sparklypoo." 1040782;1425446294;adlai;(or use funky encodings) 1040783;1425446295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: just proving membership in ring! 1040784;1425446296;mircea_popescu;cast down the heretic adlai, he means to leaven our numbers! 1040785;1425446305;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not equality 1040786;1425446337;*;adlai is still trying to get over the amazement that there's the 'same number' of rationals and complexes 1040787;1425446367;mircea_popescu;not so. 1040788;1425446376;mircea_popescu;only if your definition of complexes is based on rational parameters. 1040789;1425446381;mircea_popescu;1+ei is not in that set. 1040790;1425446385;BingoBoingo;^ 1040791;1425446393;adlai;ok ok ok 1040792;1425446397;mircea_popescu;true that this is the pedestrrian definition given in school 1040793;1425446405;BingoBoingo;Aleph as many subs 1040794;1425446407;mircea_popescu;a fine example of "teachning kids math = making kids unable to understand math" 1040795;1425446439;mircea_popescu;and ima link http://trilema.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/ here because it's muy related. 1040796;1425446439;assbot;It's not the sauce, it's the poultry and other metamathematical considerations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKl6TD ) 1040797;1425446451;*;adlai hasn't seen mention of transrationals yet in the thread, just thinking of dimension changes 1040798;1425446458;asciilifeform;'The darwin x86_64 gnat crashes with "illegal instruction: 4" on my macbook pro / OS X 10.7.5 :-(Edit: I upgraded to OS X 10.8.3. Now gnat works...' -- from a forum comment. shitgnomism. 1040799;1425446498;asciilifeform;and fuck, i blew a benjie on chinese aftermarket ssd made just for that box, so it would hold this thing 1040800;1425446504;asciilifeform;was to be the ada-in-bed machine 1040801;1425446524;asciilifeform;(box in question has proprietary disk controller that won't take standard drives) 1040802;1425446556;asciilifeform;every time i pick it up from shelf, thinking of using it for something... 1040803;1425446557;asciilifeform;this. 1040804;1425446609;BingoBoingo;* adlai hasn't seen mention of transrationals yet in the thread, just thinking of dimension changes << Aleph progresses in cardenality up through ALeph sub aleph 1040805;1425446651;asciilifeform;me to colleague: 'mac has to be good for... something?' him: 'take it to the range, it'll make good target' 1040806;1425446652;*;adlai is still in ×â‚€ 1040807;1425446701;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, people have been trained to believe in this "upgrade and everything's gonna be better" mantra. 1040808;1425446717;mircea_popescu;worst fucking idea ever. but it's so much like "progress", and "what the consumers should come to expect" 1040809;1425446731;adlai;(not yet convinced that real numbers 'exist' outside of theory and approximations) 1040810;1425446744;BingoBoingo; me to colleague: 'mac has to be good for... something?' him: 'take it to the range, it'll make good target' << 9" model and .22 LR makes a nice pop when phosphors are too faded 1040811;1425446754;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's the direct effect of shitgnomism where 'the doctor healed the patient's ear, but did poke out an eye, i fear' 1040812;1425446792;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wrong mac 1040813;1425446798;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that one doesn't deserve it 1040814;1425446812;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Everything later is just NeXT abotus 1040815;1425446819;BingoBoingo;*abortus 1040816;1425446848;BingoBoingo;Born of the same reasoning that leads one to jack off inside a pussy in a .gif 1040817;1425446930;BingoBoingo;But still eventually CRT phosphors become worn and mercy needs to be applied 1040818;1425446964;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've a massive 'sun' trinitron here that 'needs mercy' 1040819;1425446968;BingoBoingo;The lead on glass on lead pop is a satisfying noise 1040820;1425446970;decimation;asciilifeform: the devilish thing about apple 'upgrades' is that the old versions no longer exist 1040821;1425446990;decimation;try 'upgrading' a 10.6 mac to 10.7 and not 10.8, for instance 1040822;1425447019;asciilifeform;decimation: exists as much as you want. l33t w4r3z 1040823;1425447026;decimation;asciilifeform: aye 1040824;1425447027;trinque;decimation: not that I run OS X, but I think that justifies torrenting anything prior 1040825;1425447028;asciilifeform;decimation: problem is that the later turds won't run on that box 1040826;1425447036;asciilifeform;they EOLed a '09 box, yes 1040827;1425447038;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Are there any open spaces? the cheapest .22 LR rounds tend to be more satisfying. If you have a camera that can capture slow motion, especially avoid the copper plate ones 1040828;1425447040;asciilifeform;i shit thee not 1040829;1425447068;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nearest 'open' space in your customary sense is many hours away. 1040830;1425447078;BingoBoingo;decimation: Mac OS versions ended at 7.x 1040831;1425447079;asciilifeform;and has a 'tresspassers will be shot again' sign, most certainly. 1040832;1425447083;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, I have a couple of early intel macbooks that have been abandoned 1040833;1425447098;adlai;survivors* 1040834;1425447121;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Weird. Five minutes walk from here is a zone where absolute lawlessness is permitted 1040835;1425447122;decimation;they run 10.6.8, and will forever I guess 1040836;1425447136;asciilifeform;decimation: aha. this one does. 1040837;1425447153;decimation;even macports is failing to keep updates going, because they were 32-bit 1040838;1425447163;*;adlai feels that survivors of https://www.bitfinex.com/account/api are likely to be shot again, by their own trigger 1040839;1425447164;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Giljnh ) 1040840;1425447175;decimation;I did manage to hack the efi bootloader into 'dual booting' gentoo once 1040841;1425447186;decimation;but it was pointless because of the driver brokenness 1040842;1425447190;asciilifeform;decimation: a box without 100% working suspend-to-ram is worthless to me 1040843;1425447201;asciilifeform;decimation: if BingoBoingo lived here i'd give it to him to shoot. 1040844;1425447205;adlai;random retardation of the day: trade history has no indication of whether an action took place on margin or was an asset exchange 1040845;1425447215;asciilifeform;decimation: hence total lack of interest in attempting to put a civilized unixlike on these 1040846;1425447226;decimation;yeah. it's a lost cause 1040847;1425447244;decimation;it would be more 'comfortable' to use one of those tadpole laptops 1040848;1425447249;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Honestly I'd prolly try to save it if I made it. Hard to find anything with built in 13w3 1040849;1425447259;asciilifeform;i've ran across folks who claim to have done it - but on close examination, it always turns out that they're living with some 'small' imperfection that i find utterly intolerable 1040850;1425447265;asciilifeform;(e.g. the suspend mode thing) 1040851;1425447297;adlai;s2ram is just a fancy way of saying "leave the dustoff at the bureau, all you need is quick hands and an evidence bag" 1040852;1425447301;decimation;yeah the suspend mode thing is really annoying 1040853;1425447310;decimation;without it you just have a rather useless desktop 1040854;1425447323;asciilifeform;adlai: don't process 'interesting' bits on a proprietary crudware box 1040855;1425447334;BingoBoingo;decimation: If you get the chance A/Ux is a pretty fun unix 1040856;1425447361;decimation;eh, I rather have one of asciii's genera boxen 1040857;1425447369;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo has said this in the past, and it boggles my mind - what posixy gadget of any interest whatsoever builds on a/ux ? 1040858;1425447401;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: My fascination stems from it being the first vagually *nixy thing I encountered. 1040859;1425447406;asciilifeform;ah 1040860;1425447425;asciilifeform;i suppose this is how folks end up with 'shoe fetish' etc 1040861;1425447428;*;decimation recalls using an ancient hp 'portable' computer running hp/ux as a youth 1040862;1425447443;BingoBoingo;less than 3 years later I enountered mandrake linux more than 10 years more recent and was disappoint 1040863;1425447462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00037125 = 16.1865 BTC [-] {2} 1040864;1425447472;BingoBoingo;Now I yearn for Ti-89BSD 1040865;1425447478;adlai;ah more excellent kodmuzik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNI-2i6t7Zs 1040866;1425447480;assbot;The Bad Plus - Seven Minute Mind - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GimfrJ ) 1040867;1425447496;adlai;though it irks me to no end that the song is not in fact seven minutes long 1040868;1425447508;*;asciilifeform dreams every day of program-in-bed 1040869;1425447519;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Prolly. 1040870;1425447525;*;asciilifeform doesn't expect to actually get to do it, ever 1040871;1425447543;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If you did, imagine the warfain you'd need 1040872;1425447545;decimation;asciilifeform: what about your chorded keyboard device? does that feel comfortable while lying down 1040873;1425447549;BingoBoingo;*warfarin 1040874;1425447559;asciilifeform;decimation: no and you can't program with it anyway 1040875;1425447567;asciilifeform;(assuming you were speaking of 'microwriter') 1040876;1425447584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00038677 = 10.1721 BTC [+] {2} 1040877;1425447595;decimation;yeah, but it seems a chorded entry system of some kind would allow you to lay on your back 1040878;1425447622;asciilifeform;decimation: not even thinking of anything so ambitious 1040879;1425447623;BingoBoingo;At some point faced with the twin maws of conspiracy and poisons one must choose discomfort of some measure. 1040880;1425447632;asciilifeform;just an actual computer that can be used other than on a desk 1040881;1425447644;*;adlai has yet to see a good human-touchscreen api for reading and editing source code... but assuming one existed, a 'tablet' would be quite convenient for bedcode 1040882;1425447675;asciilifeform;adlai: and a pill that lets you fart 10000N*m would be very convenient for transatlantic flight 1040883;1425447683;asciilifeform;but same idea. 1040884;1425447690;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1040885;1425447691;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DG3NMA.txt ) 1040886;1425447696;*;gabriel_laddel is lying on a couch, writing on a laptop computer 1040887;1425447705;adlai;like the romans ate? 1040888;1425447713;adlai;that cramps my vestigial wings 1040889;1425447726;decimation;adlai: try waving your hands around like tom cruise in 'minority report' for about 10 minutes and see how you feel 1040890;1425447729;trinque;adlai: I've got a sort of AST making circle menu thing in my head 1040891;1425447736;trinque;have never tried to make it 1040892;1425447745;trinque;you'd sort of crawl along the grammar 1040893;1425447747;gabriel_laddel;adlai: nah, lying on my back 1040894;1425447750;trinque;eventually though you need to type words... 1040895;1425447755;asciilifeform;trinque: i tried just this 1040896;1425447759;adlai;decimation: touchscreen ≠ glove-activated vaporware 1040897;1425447761;asciilifeform;not recommended. 1040898;1425447772;trinque;asciilifeform: cooler to look at for 5min I'd guess 1040899;1425447777;asciilifeform;touch screen in the best of times sucks for the same reason as mouse 1040900;1425447798;asciilifeform;clutters visual cortex & attention span window with what ought to be 100% spinal column work 1040901;1425447883;adlai;ideally, something where i could hold the device with one hand, and do all tasks with a single finger... you can enter text quite fast using gesture typing, and a program-aware editor can do much much much better than the current keyboards because namespacing greatly narrows the likely lexemes 1040902;1425447891;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> clutters visual cortex << Wait you trust that api??? 1040903;1425447923;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ? 1040904;1425447943;*;asciilifeform thinks that if BingoBoingo is going to 'don't trust your brain' he needs to share the good dope first 1040905;1425447958;decimation;http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/DasherSummary2.html 1040906;1425447959;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GinBmi ) 1040907;1425447962;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That high up on the brain, thing could lie. Gotta trust the lizard brain and little higher 1040908;1425447971;decimation;^ above link demonstrates 'alternate text entry' 1040909;1425447982;asciilifeform;decimation: ew 1040910;1425447985;decimation;hehe yeah 1040911;1425448003;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah roughly that but with grammar rules 1040912;1425448006;decimation;it would be good if you could only move your tongue though 1040913;1425448007;trinque;it'd probably suck 1040914;1425448009;BingoBoingo;If the responsible part of the brain touches the skull, my general rule is to doubt it 1040915;1425448043;trinque;er meant decimation 1040916;1425448079;decimation;adlai: gesture typing sucks, at least as implemented on 'modern' phones 1040917;1425448081;adlai;why should you trust an internal part of the brain any more than the grey stuff? it's not like you have [consciously available] stimuli re: what's happening there 1040918;1425448103;decimation;I liked 'typing' gestures into my palm pilot, but somehow that technology disappeared 1040919;1425448115;asciilifeform;decimation: i loved that thing 1040920;1425448123;asciilifeform;decimation: it... worked 1040921;1425448126;adlai;as i said, gesture typing needs to be boosted with program-awareness 1040922;1425448129;decimation;yeah, modern gesture 'typepads' suck by comparison 1040923;1425448131;asciilifeform;and didn't throw glitter garbage in your face 1040924;1425448133;asciilifeform;ever. 1040925;1425448152;decimation;asciilifeform: especially considering it had like 1% of the modern smartphone's cpu 1040926;1425448155;adlai;when your likely input set is an entire language, even a crappy markov chain leaves tons of noise 1040927;1425448165;trinque;adlai: I worked on a visual programming bullshit thing for a year and a half as a job 1040928;1425448166;asciilifeform;decimation: precisely -why- 1040929;1425448183;trinque;really don't think it can be made to do more than toy interfaces for end users 1040930;1425448189;decimation;adlai: somehow customizing the input 'typepad algorithm' is a 'missing option' on all smart devices 1040931;1425448194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51050 @ 0.00038703 = 19.7579 BTC [+] 1040932;1425448197;trinque;at least without a huge slowdown compared to typing it out 1040933;1425448228;trinque;for example imagine doing sql joins with a venn diagram 1040934;1425448229;trinque;say 20 joins 1040935;1425448232;trinque;:p 1040936;1425448240;trinque;but it seems like such genius with a single join! 1040937;1425448247;BingoBoingo;http://www.drunkard.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=36899 1040938;1425448248;assbot;Modern Drunkard Forum • View topic - Lizard Brain's taking over ... ( http://bit.ly/1zX5VFq ) 1040939;1425448262;decimation;trinque: asciilifeform has explained before why graphical interfaces suck for programming 1040940;1425448287;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-02-2015#1019353 1040941;1425448287;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2015 05:30:33; decimation: https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/ << "I can’t speak for everyone, but when I program, I like to be able to make use of the rather-hefty chunk of my brain that evolved as a language co-processor. Language provides compact abstractions in a way that is difficult to beat using graphics except for inherently-visual tasks (the motion of mechanical parts, etc.)" 1040942;1425448310;trinque;^ yep 1040943;1425448317;asciilifeform;^ soemwhere in there yes 1040944;1425448319;trinque;language is precisely for this 1040945;1425448335;adlai;typing [+slime-fuzzy] is likely to remain faster than pretty much any other muscle-based input, just due to evolutionary accident... but the quest here, as i see it, is for a drastically more convenient interface, which sacrifices less than the current ones (which aren't even that convenient) 1040946;1425448341;trinque;this being describing some set of actions, facts, whatever, for something else to learn and/or carry out 1040947;1425448361;trinque;adlai: what I'd like to see is the structure of the program in some way 1040948;1425448369;trinque;use the visual part to traverse, not to write code 1040949;1425448370;asciilifeform;so far, every alternative i've tried vs qwerty keyboard - simply stinks 1040950;1425448385;asciilifeform;notice that i didn't end my 'engelbart's violin' article with 'and now i use microwriter' 1040951;1425448390;decimation;asciilifeform: have you followed the 'movement' to re-create stenotypes? 1040952;1425448393;trinque;there are types of code mess that at least seem like they'd "look like shit" with the right goggles 1040953;1425448395;asciilifeform;but with 'i should have been forced to use microwriter since age 3' 1040954;1425448406;asciilifeform;decimation: fuck stenotypes 1040955;1425448417;asciilifeform;decimation: confined to natural lang. 1040956;1425448421;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, I looked into them, but they seem useless for programming 1040957;1425448423;decimation;aye 1040958;1425448437;asciilifeform;and what 're-create' 1040959;1425448439;asciilifeform;they never went anywhere 1040960;1425448445;asciilifeform;visit a courthouse anywhere in usa 1040961;1425448459;asciilifeform;so much stenotype 'can eat them with your arse' 1040962;1425448459;decimation;the story I got was that those devices are priced at bezzle rates 1040963;1425448463;decimation;plus the training to use them 1040964;1425448470;adlai;anybody tried one-handed dvorak? 1040965;1425448473;asciilifeform;certified guildsmen 1040966;1425448478;asciilifeform;but if you just want one for no reason - ebay 1040967;1425448491;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah but try to hook it up to your computer to run emacs :) 1040968;1425448499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00036462 = 4.2478 BTC [-] 1040969;1425448512;asciilifeform;decimation: a good many have standard rs232 tty 1040970;1425448540;decimation;ah well then maybe it's straightforward 1040971;1425448553;decimation;some folks try to make a 'ghetto steno' using a keyboard 1040972;1425448568;decimation;but most keyboards cannot handle chorded keypresses 1040973;1425448570;asciilifeform;decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/mwemu/mwemu.html << go right ahead 1040974;1425448571;assbot;MwEmu ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gippf9 ) 1040975;1425448594;asciilifeform;^ i wrote this for folks who just couldn't help but want 1040976;1425448608;decimation;hehe 1040977;1425448623;adlai;being able to fully operate a keyboard-drived ui (stumpwm, emacs) with one hand would be a huge step towards using the laptop conveniently in most any position 1040978;1425448644;asciilifeform;adlai: what would you use for the machine itself ? 1040979;1425448662;asciilifeform;adlai: any hobbyist worth his salt can build a keyboard 1040980;1425448666;asciilifeform;but the computer - we don't have. 1040981;1425448703;adlai;any vanilla keyboard, mapped to some bastardization of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard#One-handed_versions 1040982;1425448705;assbot;Dvorak Simplified Keyboard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GipKhO ) 1040983;1425448741;asciilifeform;why the preoccupation with single hand, anyway? just came back from iran, got chopped ? 1040984;1425448748;decimation;http://plover.stenoknight.com/2011/10/split-screen-demonstration.html < guy doing 'steno' on a qwerty keyboard 1040985;1425448749;assbot;Plover, the Open Source Steno Program: Split-Screen Demonstration ... ( http://bit.ly/1GipT4M ) 1040986;1425448796;decimation;if not single hand, why not single finger? or two? can do with morse 1040987;1425448910;trinque;adlai: I've got most of what I do in stump down to a single-handed binding 1040988;1425448925;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_icJLmsFNU < 60 wpm morse 'entry' 1040989;1425448927;assbot;High Speed Morse Code with an N3ZN Telegraph key by WØAAA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiqpQg ) 1040990;1425448934;BingoBoingo;adlai> being able to fully operate a keyboard-drived ui (stumpwm, emacs) with one hand would be a huge step towards using the laptop conveniently in most any position << You'd be surprised what you can do when you surrender to WIMP, your keyboard has a clit, and the ETOH has reduced you to half f a lizard's funtioning brain mass 1040991;1425448935;trinque;not as happy with stump as I'd hoped 1040992;1425448945;asciilifeform;decimation: 'glass arm' candidate 1040993;1425448946;adlai;for one, you'd be able to touchtype 'roman style' ( http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/files/2012/08/reclining_triclinium.jpg ); also, you'd have a hand free for tending to non-computer matters, such as pets or your poison of choice 1040994;1425448947;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Giqsvs ) 1040995;1425448955;trinque;I want an uppermost level concept of task, then several layouts for that task 1040996;1425448967;trinque;I'm building that now around stump 1040997;1425448982;adlai;anything public? 1040998;1425448982;decimation;asciilifeform: nah, he's using a keyer with very small entry force 1040999;1425448982;trinque;might jack the "tasks" back into helm 1041000;1425448989;asciilifeform;decimation: even worse 1041001;1425448990;decimation;if you wanna hurt your hand you use a straight key 1041002;1425448994;trinque;adlai: neh once I extract the tasks thing from my config maybe 1041003;1425448996;asciilifeform;decimation: it's the repetitive action that nails you 1041004;1425449003;asciilifeform;telegraphers were the first to discover 1041005;1425449013;decimation;asciilifeform: sure, but only if you are doing it with alot of force 1041006;1425449020;decimation;note he's moving his hand side-to-side 1041007;1425449020;trinque;adlai: but! it improves daily as stumpwmrc and the repl side by side are a binding 1041008;1425449023;adlai;trinque: please /join #stumpwm and share if/when you do 1041009;1425449045;trinque;yeah maybe so 1041010;1425449064;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPsgEdmlUf0 < high speed straight key, impressive 1041011;1425449066;assbot;High speed morse telegraphy using a straight key - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiqP9j ) 1041012;1425449083;*;adlai has often pondered how to get stumpwm more aware of what the windows are doing, but the ways he imagines doing this involve teaching stumpwm more about the programs than they like to reveal programmatically 1041013;1425449098;trinque;adlai: I'm just farting around with window titles 1041014;1425449107;trinque;define-frame-preference 1041015;1425449130;trinque;and in fact this sucks, since emacs changes it several times after making a new frame and loading shit 1041016;1425449142;trinque;need to find a good place to call place-existing-windows 1041017;1425449143;adlai;see why i'm so curious about the lispm :P 1041018;1425449144;*;BingoBoingo wonders if he is the exception planning his interface not around his most capable moments, but around his least... 1041019;1425449152;trinque;adlai: man I want one too 1041020;1425449166;trinque;even if all it does is edit text, check email, and transfer files 1041021;1425449167;adlai;BingoBoingo: on the contrary, i think of all this as 'stoner-proof productivity' 1041022;1425449188;ben_vulpes;hear hear 1041023;1425449190;trinque;adlai: yeah 1041024;1425449193;asciilifeform;decimation: ru text says 'telegraphy bowl ... 1st stage, 2-4 feb. '07, brest' 1041025;1425449198;decimation;hehe yeah 1041026;1425449202;decimation;he was almost certainly east german 1041027;1425449203;adlai;my goal is to increase transaction costs for distractions, and decrease them for productive activities - and have some reasonably real-time control over the productivity gradient 1041028;1425449205;trinque;I can be blazed as hell and press one button 1041029;1425449209;trinque;boom, project is open and arranged 1041030;1425449224;decimation;my understanding is that in the ru high speed telegraphy is something of a minor sport 1041031;1425449224;BingoBoingo;adlai: But even if your choice of intoxicant you set a floor for its effect 1041032;1425449236;BingoBoingo;!up Asenath 1041033;1425449242;adlai;"even if"? 1041034;1425449245;asciilifeform;decimation: must be a practice run - plug is dangling on the floor 1041035;1425449257;decimation;aye 1041036;1425449274;ben_vulpes;adlai: this distraction thing is a human factors problem. 1041037;1425449284;ben_vulpes;discipline thyself. 1041038;1425449303;*;adlai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdbORXEmbnk 1041039;1425449304;assbot;You rack disciprine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zX7Mdv ) 1041040;1425449315;BingoBoingo;adlai: Do you indulge in any aqueous intoxicants which push both your peripheral and centeral nervous system to functional minimums 1041041;1425449339;trinque;"do you like booze, bro?" 1041042;1425449342;trinque;lol 1041043;1425449348;BingoBoingo;trinque: Maybe? 1041044;1425449394;decimation;asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9S-NzsUD5w < another contestant apparently at the same competition, except she is using a keyer 1041045;1425449395;assbot;High Speed Telegraphy Transmission - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zX7WBA ) 1041046;1425449395;*;adlai makes no a-priori constraints on intoxicant choices, since supply, demand, and the threat of violence are strict enough already 1041047;1425449429;asciilifeform;decimation: woah 1041048;1425449439;decimation;yeah that's highly impressive 1041049;1425449442;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ^ check out the gurl 1041050;1425449468;adlai;although i have a 'standing desk', which places a lower limit to the motor control necessary for all computer use 1041051;1425449479;decimation;she doesn't have anything that is slowing down the propagation along her myelin sheaths :) 1041052;1425449501;asciilifeform;lol re: the ru-built exam box 1041053;1425449517;decimation;yeah it is probably providing audible 'beeps' 1041054;1425449547;asciilifeform;the one in the first min. appears to be a digital decoder 1041055;1425449548;decimation;typically the way the keyer works is that one side is continuous dashes and the other is continuous dots 1041056;1425449552;asciilifeform;not mere buzzer 1041057;1425449563;decimation;asciilifeform: probably the 'keyer' electronics 1041058;1425449570;asciilifeform;decimation: i know, built one meself as a boy, who hasnt 1041059;1425449575;asciilifeform;both kinds 1041060;1425449590;decimation;the fancy ones have alternating dots and dashes when held together 1041061;1425449603;adlai;this (gurl's skill) is really just a matter of having a good word->twich compiler 1041062;1425449605;decimation;she might have some kind of 'grading' software 1041063;1425449633;asciilifeform;every bit as interesting as what a good pianist does 1041064;1425449641;mircea_popescu;whoa nelly 1041065;1425449648;asciilifeform;where are the telegraphygurlz in usa!? 1041066;1425449650;*;mircea_popescu goes back to catching up oin the log for the 3rd time today 1041067;1425449660;asciilifeform;what even is this place 1041068;1425449662;asciilifeform;without them 1041069;1425449666;decimation;asciilifeform: I think ru still uses telegraphy in aircraft 1041070;1425449687;asciilifeform;decimation: telegraphy is the 'internet of last resort' 1041071;1425449692;asciilifeform;from now until alpha centauri 1041072;1425449706;asciilifeform;doesn't get any lower tech while still electric 1041073;1425449757;decimation;asciilifeform: we don't even have typistgurls in the usa anymore 1041074;1425449760;asciilifeform;but even in ru they bowed out and gave agents portable tape-punchies 1041075;1425449763;adlai;develop a good compiler-compiler for new daily telegraphies, and you don't even need crypto! 1041076;1425449781;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040834 << not everyone lives in chicago you know. 1041077;1425449781;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 05:32:01; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Weird. Five minutes walk from here is a zone where absolute lawlessness is permitted 1041078;1425449806;adlai;the real competition should be "who can learn fastest a new randomly-generated telegraph encoding" 1041079;1425449854;asciilifeform;http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/r350/burst.htm << puncher 1041080;1425449854;assbot;R-350 Burst Encoder ... ( http://bit.ly/1GitakB ) 1041081;1425449856;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I live on th other side of Illinois North/South Axis, still more lawless, especially if diversity is invoked 1041082;1425449874;mircea_popescu;adlai or hire one, 599 /month 1041083;1425449932;decimation;asciilifeform: inside a tu-95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSVtYib8StY < note the straight key against the outside bulkhead at the comms position 1041084;1425449934;assbot;Exploring the Tupolev Tu-95 "Bear" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GitoYW ) 1041085;1425449934;asciilifeform;notice also the pen for cheating 1041086;1425449936;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040868 << why ? 1041087;1425449936;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 05:38:28; *: asciilifeform dreams every day of program-in-bed 1041088;1425449941;mircea_popescu;seriously now. why not shower in bed ? 1041089;1425449950;mircea_popescu;why not program in wheelchair ? 1041090;1425449958;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1041091;1425449958;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/03S37SY.txt ) 1041092;1425449959;mircea_popescu;be as genius as that hawkins dude 1041093;1425449973;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's like asking a shoe fetishist, why shoes, why not socks, hats 1041094;1425449978;adlai;i'm guessing the ones for hire have hardcoded, monolithic parser-compilers, from countless hours spent translating the same encoding... sure, it's impressive to watch, but useless when a new alphabet pops up 1041095;1425449982;asciilifeform;i like bed, blankets, warmth 1041096;1425449985;asciilifeform;idleness 1041097;1425449986;mircea_popescu;i've been known to do that. 1041098;1425449991;mircea_popescu;also ask lesbos why no c0k 1041099;1425449994;asciilifeform;aha 1041100;1425449998;asciilifeform;good question, no? 1041101;1425450003;asciilifeform;but never an interesting answer 1041102;1425450011;asciilifeform;because spinal column can't talk 1041103;1425450122;adlai;another solution is dictation, but it seems that for years to come, the best way to dictate code is via a human typist 1041104;1425450147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113000 @ 0.00036114 = 40.8088 BTC [-] {4} 1041105;1425450204;adlai;!down 1041106;1425450210;adlai;!down adlai 1041107;1425450252;mircea_popescu;noob adlai 1041108;1425450419;mircea_popescu;"you can enter text quite fast using gesture typing" basically you lot just aspire to be cripples. 1041109;1425450435;mircea_popescu;"oh, how glorious if i couldn't stand and i only had one weavery appendage i could move" 1041110;1425450452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.00037881 = 22.8044 BTC [+] 1041111;1425450454;*;asciilifeform 'tried' once (broke a hand) - didn't like 1041112;1425450463;decimation;mircea_popescu: if one day you have a stroke and could only blink one eye, you might find the skill useful 1041113;1425450483;mircea_popescu;i would certainly not use my only fucking remining blinker to code omfg. 1041114;1425450508;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu is colorblind, that's a kind of crippled 1041115;1425450545;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you're not the poor sod who'd starve without coding either. 1041116;1425450607;ben_vulpes; [04:55] that the fella actually thought he was 'using pgp' << wait wut? who biffed at this epic scale? 1041117;1425450622;*;BingoBoingo doesn't imagine his ideal interface for coding uses, but for handling "ideal datacenter" eventually 1041118;1425450636;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i'd blink my way to broadway success! 1041119;1425450651;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-2dfEc70gU << airplane from earlier 1041120;1425450652;assbot;RARE | Tupolev Tu-95MS Inflight | HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Givx6Z ) 1041121;1425450660;asciilifeform;peculiarly good film 1041122;1425450700;decimation;asciilifeform: the 'long range aviation command' still flies those things 1041123;1425450790;*;asciilifeform not specialist, doesn't know what the point of those machines is, if you have rocket 1041124;1425450813;asciilifeform;but for some odd - i suspect, ceremonial - reason - they still exist 1041125;1425450859;decimation;well, they can carry rockets 1041126;1425450869;asciilifeform;(ballistic rocket) 1041127;1425450891;asciilifeform;why such a thing as 'trans-oceanic bomber' is needed, is beyond me 1041128;1425450907;decimation;heh. to annoy countries across the ocean 1041129;1425450919;trinque;you can't buzz your enemies with a rocket, turning back at the last moment 1041130;1425450926;asciilifeform;so - ceremonial. 1041131;1425451001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25533 @ 0.00038703 = 9.882 BTC [+] 1041132;1425451002;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ceremonial, and... at one point they outnumbered rockets... Hence NIke Hercules 1041133;1425451011;asciilifeform;at one point musketry. 1041134;1425451019;asciilifeform;at one point slings. 1041135;1425451057;asciilifeform;but for some peculiar reason - no musket brigades in modern armies 1041136;1425451067;asciilifeform;nor sling corps 1041137;1425451092;mircea_popescu;ahem. 1041138;1425451100;mircea_popescu;;;google 13eme dragons parachutistes 1041139;1425451101;gribble;13th Parachute Dragoon Regiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; 13e régiment de dragons parachutistes - Ministère de la Défense: ; 13eme RDP - Régiment des dragons parachutistes (1 more message) 1041140;1425451131;mircea_popescu;suck on that for a while. paradragoons! 1041141;1425451161;decimation;wait, I thought dragoons were horse-mounted infantry 1041142;1425451204;decimation;do they paracute with their horse? 1041143;1425451215;mircea_popescu;lol. 1041144;1425451233;asciilifeform;laugh, but ru parachutists often had dogs 1041145;1425451252;asciilifeform;nobody trained the beasts to pull the cord, no. dropped in boxes 1041146;1425451259;asciilifeform;with autoparachute 1041147;1425451264;decimation;oh, re: La Marseillaise < I find the lyrics hilarious, especially in modern times 1041148;1425451289;decimation;a white communist and a black algerian living in the suburbs could both sing La Marseillaise and mean exactly opposite things 1041149;1425451320;asciilifeform;(you can drop anything you want with chutes, even tank. read how.) 1041150;1425451333;decimation;asciilifeform: a dog is a useful asset in the military, for a variety of tasks 1041151;1425451341;asciilifeform;well yes 1041152;1425451391;asciilifeform;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2882621/Special-forces-soldiers-dogs-tandem-parachute-freefall-10-000ft.html << nato soldiers had dogs tied to them instead 1041153;1425451393;assbot;Special forces soldiers and their dogs take part in tandem parachute freefall | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQt80R ) 1041154;1425451393;asciilifeform;turns out 1041155;1425451464;trinque;sounds like a great way to get sprayed with shit and piss on the way down 1041156;1425451493;asciilifeform;if muzzle falls off, 1041157;1425451494;asciilifeform;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Picture_of_inverted_hanging.png/220px-Picture_of_inverted_hanging.png 1041158;1425451496;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQtlB0 ) 1041159;1425451522;decimation;'and the dog too!' 1041160;1425451557;asciilifeform;decimation: the dog was there to add 'spice' 1041161;1425451561;asciilifeform;he'd nibble a bit 1041162;1425451574;asciilifeform;notice both hanging by legs 1041163;1425451578;mircea_popescu;motherfucker 1041164;1425451589;mircea_popescu;google is now serving "filtered" results and no way to turn the shit off anymore ?! 1041165;1425451599;mircea_popescu;WHAT THE FUCK AMERICA! GET LOST! 1041166;1425451637;mircea_popescu;;;google skydiving fucking gif 1041167;1425451638;gribble;fuck yeah skydiving: ; Referees Showing Some Sass, a Skydiving Seizure, and the GIFs ...: ; airplane+skydiver=fuck - Album on Imgur: 1041168;1425451649;mircea_popescu;^ was going to say teh americans are taking their bitches 1041169;1425451656;mircea_popescu;but no, they aren't. 1041170;1425451667;trinque;censorship, the humor destroyer 1041171;1425451676;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'google images' ? 1041172;1425451680;asciilifeform;still shows as optional here 1041173;1425451709;mircea_popescu;Moderate SafeSearch is on and clickable. if you click on it tho,. "Set your SafeSearch preferences in the blue box below." and the blue box says 1041174;1425451715;mircea_popescu; SafeSearch Filtering 1041175;1425451715;mircea_popescu;Google's SafeSearch blocks web pages containing explicit sexual content from appearing in search results. 1041176;1425451715;mircea_popescu; Show most relevant results 1041177;1425451715;mircea_popescu;Filter explicit results. 1041178;1425451717;mircea_popescu;which bs. 1041179;1425451736;trinque;google "skydiving fucking"... get http://s17.photobucket.com/user/wetfrombirthx/media/newyears08066.jpg.html 1041180;1425451738;assbot;newyears08066.jpg Photo by wetfrombirthx | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiyO6n ) 1041181;1425451747;BingoBoingo;!up BananaLotus 1041182;1425451750;BingoBoingo;!up guruvan 1041183;1425451765;mircea_popescu;trinque there's this one bangbros if memory serves scene 1041184;1425451775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: works as usual here 1041185;1425451777;mircea_popescu;where they did actually spend the 28k or w/e to shoot a chick being pounded in air 1041186;1425451789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess it won't last. 1041187;1425451800;mircea_popescu;google has been on a shitmission the past 5 years or so, it becomes less and less useful. 1041188;1425451806;asciilifeform;what's been censored anyway 1041189;1425451819;asciilifeform;w4r3z ? 1041190;1425451836;mircea_popescu;well, apparently for some reason i can't have pronz in google nao. 1041191;1425451843;asciilifeform;weird 1041192;1425451850;asciilifeform;what else is 'images' used for. 1041193;1425451863;mircea_popescu;last week they came up with the "no pronz in bloigger" thing, which got everyone riled up so they decided they'll just implement it covertly instead of overtly 1041194;1425451868;trinque;mircea_popescu: found this http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=13d_1318607927 1041195;1425451869;assbot;LiveLeak.com - Skydiving Sex Stunt (un-censored version!) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Giz8lA ) 1041196;1425451877;mircea_popescu;and generally speaking i'm sick and fucking tired of the new generation of usians and their ideas about the world. 1041197;1425451917;asciilifeform;new? 1041198;1425451924;mircea_popescu;newly voiced. 1041199;1425451924;BingoBoingo;;;later tell gabriel_laddel Titties of the continent http://motherchubbypornphotos.org/teenfatanalsex/piece/piec/pi1025.jpg 1041200;1425451925;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GizfO0 ) 1041201;1425451925;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1041202;1425451930;asciilifeform;as if the old idiots didn't try to censor pr0n 1041203;1425451951;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i read as 'fatal anal sex' 1041204;1425451951;*;mircea_popescu is fucking riled up. 1041205;1425451966;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: lol 1041206;1425451972;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: does engl. have a catch-term for 'fatal buggery' ? 1041207;1425451979;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe yoy are being singled out 1041208;1425451986;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes, "Mr Hands" 1041209;1425451989;mircea_popescu;conspiraci! 1041210;1425451992;asciilifeform;ru 'turkish wedding' 1041211;1425451994;trinque;BingoBoingo: *shudder* 1041212;1425452001;asciilifeform;normally implies spade handle or the like 1041213;1425452037;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mr Hands died organically, by horse and normal intestinal flora 1041214;1425452059;asciilifeform;'by horse' l0l 1041215;1425452064;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel 1041216;1425452065;gabriel_laddel;Thanks. 1041217;1425452079;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: r.e., tits - eww. 1041218;1425452083;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Literlly, Horse fucked Mr Hands to death 1041219;1425452095;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some people do a lot more than spade handles, for fun. let me introduce you to daisy, from ny. http://gatsbyswhore.tumblr.com/ << 1041220;1425452097;assbot;Gatsby's Whore ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQv757 ) 1041221;1425452097;trinque;BingoBoingo: only took a few good thrusts 1041222;1425452103;gabriel_laddel;SUBJECTIVE TASTE ISN'T 1041223;1425452108;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Seriously that one, small waist big tits, what is the problem? 1041224;1425452148;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l 1041225;1425452158;gabriel_laddel;I guess I just have different tastes 1041226;1425452197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: good candidate for smuggling 'mule' 1041227;1425452204;mircea_popescu;yup. 1041228;1425452211;asciilifeform;... or not. could fall out 1041229;1425452217;asciilifeform;much too easily 1041230;1425452219;mircea_popescu;i kinda suspect that's how the entire anal stretcher niche got to be a thing. 1041231;1425452224;mircea_popescu;nah. 1041232;1425452236;asciilifeform;but at any rate, betcha that thing's way out of calibration 1041233;1425452252;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/ffd6514e0619eaaa5d2295c912d807ef/tumblr_n877uvkGV61sg0ns8o1_1280.jpg 1041234;1425452255;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiA9df ) 1041235;1425452260;trinque;bet it makes for easier human skull exit 1041236;1425452261;mircea_popescu;"even the asshole shoots once" 1041237;1425452266;gabriel_laddel;http://www.shadbase.com/gamer360/ 1041238;1425452267;assbot;Shädbase - L33t Gamer ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiAf4J ) 1041239;1425452287;trinque;I wonder if there've been cultures that did fisting as a sort of obvious "of course you fist before squatting out humans" 1041240;1425452314;mircea_popescu;;;ud squatting out 1041241;1425452315;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squatter | squatter. In public toilets one who sits all day on a commode waiting for a penis to come at him through a glory ... We can't get these squatters out of our house! 1041242;1425452354;asciilifeform;trinque: questionable given the actual bottleneck in the system (cervix) 1041243;1425452367;asciilifeform;trinque: not that no one tried - but how well worked. 1041244;1425452395;BingoBoingo; ... or not. could fall out << Sutures 1041245;1425452405;trinque;BingoBoingo: zipper! 1041246;1425452408;asciilifeform;superglue 1041247;1425452412;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo behind the times 1041248;1425452421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you have a purely anatomical view of what is a physiological process. 1041249;1425452431;mircea_popescu;the girls that fist that i fucked don't have worse grasp than the naive set. 1041250;1425452435;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> superglue << Too great a chance of "healing" 1041251;1425452459;mircea_popescu;similarly, the girls that can swallow a snake don't puke a lot. 1041252;1425452488;asciilifeform;^ that one actually makes naive sense 1041253;1425452494;BingoBoingo;Sutures spaced, don't make matching folds the same... cyanoacrylate though... 1041254;1425452527;trinque;mircea_popescu: the thing does seem to have an "accepting" mode 1041255;1425452538;trinque;activated by being well-fucked among other methods I'm sure 1041256;1425452544;mircea_popescu;now obviously if done badly/traumatically the results are more like you know, that guy with the telephone poole 1041257;1425452598;mircea_popescu;another internet classic which is apparently disappeared. 1041258;1425452657;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it was on rotten.com 1041259;1425452724;trinque;I'm off, goodnight all 1041260;1425453314;*;asciilifeform got up to check on... deer trying to get in 1041261;1425453320;gabriel_laddel;hahaha 1041262;1425453344;asciilifeform;tried to take photo, but 2 in the morning and damn near impossible to get a good shot through glass and mosquito net 1041263;1425453355;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: Why did you choose to name the #b-a lordship as such? Is there a historical system of governance you are drawing inspiration from in particular? 1041264;1425453392;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the photo in question was the famous 'goatse' 1041265;1425453406;asciilifeform;and it can never disappear 1041266;1425453455;asciilifeform;the lonesome disk that survives the great nukefest will turn out to contain it 1041267;1425453459;*;asciilifeform to bed 1041268;1425453502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00038703 = 15.7908 BTC [+] 1041269;1425453513;adlai;true legends never die, they simply fade to plaintext... http://goatse.ch/ 1041270;1425453514;assbot;ASCII Goatse ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQzWvh ) 1041271;1425453631;adlai;gabriel_laddel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Serene_Republic 1041272;1425453633;assbot;Most Serene Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQAjWW ) 1041273;1425453649;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform got up to check on... deer trying to get in << Left side of their face seems to be more receptive to blunt trauma if it comes to that... if your deer are anything like ours 1041274;1425454478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59654 @ 0.00038335 = 22.8684 BTC [-] {2} 1041275;1425454539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15147 @ 0.00036571 = 5.5394 BTC [-] 1041276;1425455895;cazalla; haha holy fuck, derpopulous actually told the australian senate (with a straight face) he invisions a kid on a skateboard in indonesia running a billion dollar remittance business 1041277;1425456003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15904 @ 0.00036571 = 5.8163 BTC [-] 1041278;1425457467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15762 @ 0.00037023 = 5.8356 BTC [+] 1041279;1425457701;fluffypony;lol cazalla 1041280;1425459358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00037023 = 6.0718 BTC [+] 1041281;1425459663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00036968 = 13.8075 BTC [-] {2} 1041282;1425461493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00036677 = 17.5499 BTC [-] {2} 1041283;1425461699;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/ose0MfD.gifv 1041284;1425461700;assbot;This is bad, i guess. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NfnWIa ) 1041285;1425461986;fluffypony;ah South Africa 1041286;1425461991;fluffypony;we're even training our lions, now 1041287;1425462067;fluffypony;source vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeaztQK9If0 1041288;1425462068;assbot;Lion opens car door - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18jEKNs ) 1041289;1425462199;adlai;clever girl! 1041290;1425462652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30390 @ 0.00037336 = 11.3464 BTC [+] 1041291;1425462702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/nnJLHk9.jpg 1041292;1425462704;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18jFfqX ) 1041293;1425462707;mircea_popescu;happened to someone else too! 1041294;1425463506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64542 @ 0.00037357 = 24.111 BTC [+] {2} 1041295;1425464604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4571 @ 0.00036429 = 1.6652 BTC [-] 1041296;1425464726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65166 @ 0.00036851 = 24.0143 BTC [+] {2} 1041297;1425467481;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974058.msg10633083#msg10633083 1041298;1425467482;assbot;Chinese Mining mogul FriedCat has stolen more than a million in AM hash SCAM ... ( http://bit.ly/1EMBJ5p ) 1041299;1425467490;fluffypony;"I think FriedCat is not a real name. Does anyone know about FriedCat's real identity ?" 1041300;1425467498;*;fluffypony giggles 1041301;1425467532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104400 @ 0.00037767 = 39.4287 BTC [+] {2} 1041302;1425468772;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_HZWhmWoAIoxD8.jpg:large 1041303;1425468772;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F8HkB1 ) 1041304;1425468996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00037646 = 4.6681 BTC [-] 1041305;1425469728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00038333 = 13.4932 BTC [+] {2} 1041306;1425471618;jurov;mod6: i have (upon some consultation with you) already published kinda-0.5.3.1 1041307;1425471675;jurov;so to keep things clear, would be best to notch the version up.. but since you already officially announced it 1041308;1425471678;jurov;then dunno 1041309;1425471680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.000372 = 23.8452 BTC [-] {2} 1041310;1425472044;jurov;btw, #bitcoin-foundation is taken and invite-only 1041311;1425472063;jurov;but #bitcoinfoundation was free and is now regged to me 1041312;1425472168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.00038479 = 20.2784 BTC [+] 1041313;1425472194;cazalla;scoopbot fetch 1041314;1425472234;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/03/leaked-emails-detail-inner-workings-of-josh-garzas-scams/ 1041315;1425472235;assbot;Leaked Emails Detail Inner Workings Of Josh Garza's Scams | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BH153L ) 1041316;1425472412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00037105 = 8.1631 BTC [-] 1041317;1425472553;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/leaked-emails-detail-inner-workings-of-josh-garzas-scams/ 1041318;1425474331;danielpbarron;https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php 1041319;1425474332;assbot;Security log ... ( http://bit.ly/1M56OS6 ) 1041320;1425474361;danielpbarron;height=249322 vs height=198662 (usb3: height=234461) 1041321;1425474381;punkman;cazalla: lol those emails 1041322;1425474493;cazalla;hilarious eh 1041323;1425474676;jurov; ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. << what about paymium? 1041324;1425474724;punkman;cazalla: who leaked the emails btw? 1041325;1425474819;punkman;cazalla: "Antonopoulos' appearance as an expect witness" << expert* 1041326;1425474850;cazalla;not sure tbh, likely someone that worked there seeing garza burned bridges with his previous cohorts 1041327;1425474870;cazalla;punkman, ty 1041328;1425474882;punkman;you should find out how much they paid derpopoulos 1041329;1425474904;fluffypony;"just seems pretty armature for him" 1041330;1425474907;fluffypony;wtf spelling 1041331;1425474917;fluffypony;I hope that's autocorrect wobblies on his part 1041332;1425474965;cazalla;fluffypony, nope, that is how he spells 1041333;1425474973;punkman;typing on a touch screen is just the best 1041334;1425474973;*;fluffypony shudders 1041335;1425474986;fluffypony;children should not be allowed to start companies. 1041336;1425475055;punkman;why not 1041337;1425475297;cazalla;there's more too, not as big a deal but still lulzy.. an employee says he needs some software for his work so garza sends him a cracked ms office https://drive.google.com/a/geniusesatwork.com/file/d/0By3omGwrRu9lcWpYSjZ3Q0IyOVU/view?pli=1 1041338;1425475298;assbot;Microsoft Office 2011 _CRACKED - operatingsystem.rs.zip - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1M58DhX ) 1041339;1425475509;cazalla;guess rumours that he left US for Belguim is true too given his kids airline tickets http://mt.thalys.com/?srvgucc8cjnf4klwcq http://mt.thalys.com/?tonc68vv189e0pbv27 1041340;1425475510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wHSL3u ) 1041341;1425475510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wHSHAL ) 1041342;1425475563;cazalla;train even 1041343;1425475767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46314 @ 0.00038266 = 17.7225 BTC [+] 1041344;1425476126;davout;cazalla: lol 1041345;1425476131;davout;that's next tuesday 1041346;1425476133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37886 @ 0.0003764 = 14.2603 BTC [-] 1041347;1425476134;davout;if i count correctly 1041348;1425476147;davout;coach 3, seat 16 :D 1041349;1425477281;cazalla;;;later tell mircea_popescu did ya see kruger of kruger industrial smoothing died? 1041350;1425477282;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1041351;1425477287;mod6;<+jurov> mod6: i have (upon some consultation with you) already published kinda-0.5.3.1 << wat? 1041352;1425477301;mod6;and i have #btcf 1041353;1425477332;jurov;btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/?v=0.5.3.1 mod6 i explicitly asked you how to label this one 1041354;1425477349;cazalla;apparently kruger shot himself in the head back in 2012 but it didn't work so good 1041355;1425477356;jurov;and the consesus was 0.5.3.1 is as good as any 1041356;1425477388;mod6;oh i see what you're saying 1041357;1425477394;mod6;is that stuff patched? 1041358;1425477416;jurov;yes, it was even published on website 1041359;1425477436;mod6;o.O 1041360;1425477442;mod6;i've never seen this before. 1041361;1425477444;jurov;"chicken" was first version 1041362;1425477460;jurov;then there was (your) build script with 1041363;1425477464;jurov;additional patches 1041364;1425477478;jurov;which we agreed upon to call 0.5.3.1 1041365;1425477486;jurov;and the development goe son 1041366;1425477522;jurov;http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0.5.3-0-gd05c03a.tar.gz and this is published, don't remember which one is that 1041367;1425477523;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17QhfMj ) 1041368;1425477534;mod6;that's the base code 1041369;1425477538;jurov;chicken? 1041370;1425477554;mod6;no, the unpatched source from the powerrangers. 1041371;1425477566;jurov;aha 1041372;1425477631;jurov;http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000037.html and this is what i published as 0.5.3.1 1041373;1425477646;jurov;because it does include the version bump patch 1041374;1425477720;mod6;which patches does it include specifically? 1041375;1425477745;jurov;you don't know which patches your script includes? 1041376;1425477772;jurov;iirce they are listed here http://thebitcoin.foundation/ 1041377;1425477773;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/17heCm3 ) 1041378;1425477773;mod6;to make it build statically, there is another patch that I still need to submit yet (probably today) and another patch & full source to submit of a modified poratronic build script. 1041379;1425477783;mod6;ah, it was with my script. ok 1041380;1425477794;jurov;:D 1041381;1425477858;jurov;so i propose to go on to 0.5.3.2 .. release early, release often 1041382;1425477902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00038479 = 4.983 BTC [+] 1041383;1425478314;mod6;so yeah, when we said we were going to release in january; we hadn't hit the 160`001 tx sig verification issue yet and we hadn't considered the last-minute requirement of a static build. 1041384;1425478350;mod6;so what you have is ok, but you're missing the stuff that'll be pushed out before we make a signed tar 1041385;1425478369;mod6;which we're referring to as a "milestone" release 1041386;1425478374;jurov;there will be many more bumps. don't expect any Release to End All Releases in near future 1041387;1425478390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117550 @ 0.00038551 = 45.3167 BTC [+] {2} 1041388;1425478431;mod6;which will be: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 (static-makefile) } + modified poratronic build script & release notes. 1041389;1425478433;jurov;better to make more minor releases properly numbered 1041390;1425478460;mod6;we want to ensure that what is "released" actually works, and has been thoroughly tested. 1041391;1425478510;mod6;we do a lot of regression testing :] 1041392;1425478529;jurov;this is same pretense as what phoundation operates "it works we tested it" 1041393;1425478542;jurov;nope. we are at bleeding edge and use at own peril 1041394;1425478633;mod6;heh. ok what i mean is, "it compiles and we got it to fully sync, send/receive, generate..." but yeah, use at your own risk. we want to deliver something that doesn't just blow up -- kinda what ascii was frustrated with yesterday. 1041395;1425478658;mod6;make sense? 1041396;1425478738;jurov;not 1041397;1425478767;jurov;i am just not placing any expectations to any piece of software anymore 1041398;1425478796;jurov;but i understand you as management that wants to label the product somehow, 1041399;1425478812;mod6;haha. ok. but i don't see a problem with testing our own thing. even if no one else uses this, i'd like to know if it works or not. 1041400;1425478907;jurov;that actually stregthens the reason for bumping the version numbers often so that we can say X blows up when.., X+1 does not 1041401;1425479041;jurov;so that people won't act surprised that "there was some version published" like you did few minutes ago 1041402;1425479101;mod6;when we release there will be a formal annoucement to the mailing list, signed patches by ben & I, and an included signed tar of the patched source code with release notes. 1041403;1425479177;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041323 < thanks for the tip, I’ll set up a euro bank account when I’m in france this summer 1041404;1425479177;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 13:11:16; jurov: ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. << what about paymium? 1041405;1425479183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228740 @ 0.00038814 = 88.7831 BTC [+] {5} 1041406;1425479202;jurov;Pierre_Rochard: and you're aware it's ran by davout ? 1041407;1425479244;Pierre_Rochard;jurov: I am, brain had not connected all the way to “I should try it out†1041408;1425479254;jurov;heh 1041409;1425479310;jurov;mod6 so then please if you publish signed build scripts like http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000037.html 1041410;1425479311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6utP2 ) 1041411;1425479333;jurov;set the version to 0.5.3.x.dev 1041412;1425479344;jurov;so that no one mistakes that for release 1041413;1425479347;mod6;jurov: so as far as shorter release cycles, i think going forward they will be. the foundation will focus on say, one specific problem and then tackle it, patch it, and then regression test, release. 1041414;1425479691;PeterL;why in c is a long int the same size as int? 1041415;1425479905;mike_c;because int is shorthand for "long int" 1041416;1425479916;mike_c;short int = 16 bits, long int = 32 bits 1041417;1425480464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00038995 = 11.484 BTC [+] 1041418;1425480466;jurov;trinque, have you tried drakon editor? i actually use it for business logic 1041419;1425480505;jurov;it isn't faster to create the code, but it makes it sooo easier to find the right place where stuff needs to be fixed 1041420;1425480515;jurov;say, after several months 1041421;1425480592;jurov;the downside is, generated code for complicated diagrams isn't anything you'd want to show to anyone 1041422;1425481024;lobbes;Dr-G: You gotta fix your connection, my man. grep -c 'Dr-G' on my logs for yesterday returns over 100 lines... 1041423;1425481838;thestringpuller;mike_c: lies. all lies. this is only if you use strict typing and you machine is coherent. every machine treats it differently! 1041424;1425481864;thestringpuller;short ints however are always shorter than long ints hence the name 1041425;1425482050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00038995 = 11.2306 BTC [+] 1041426;1425482906;jurov;!up Xuthus 1041427;1425482910;jurov;!up indiancandy1 1041428;1425483064;indiancandy1;why thank u 1041429;1425483093;indiancandy1;any one know anything about internet marketing# 1041430;1425483150;PeterL;I am sure you can search for "search engine optimization", or SEO, and lots of sites will come up who promise to help 1041431;1425483379;PeterL;mircea_popescu:asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/nnJLHk9.jpg << I don't know why, but this made me laugh until my eyes waterred 1041432;1425483380;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5tYYw ) 1041433;1425484246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00039007 = 17.0461 BTC [+] {3} 1041434;1425484978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3510 @ 0.00039117 = 1.373 BTC [+] 1041435;1425485086;thestringpuller;http://imgur.com/RJUknE7 1041436;1425485405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30283 @ 0.00039142 = 11.8534 BTC [+] {2} 1041437;1425485466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36567 @ 0.00039337 = 14.3844 BTC [+] 1041438;1425486259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67900 @ 0.00038447 = 26.1055 BTC [-] {2} 1041439;1425486564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8842 @ 0.00038129 = 3.3714 BTC [-] 1041440;1425486686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00038129 = 20.704 BTC [-] 1041441;1425488821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00039337 = 4.7401 BTC [+] 1041442;1425488954;asciilifeform;for zoologists >> http://housejeffries.com/articles/unix-delenda-est << every month or so, i turn up a new lamer who read my articles but catastrophically failed to get the message. the ones who 'agree', like this specimen, are the worst kind. 1041443;1425488955;assbot;housejeffries ... ( http://bit.ly/1BSLUpS ) 1041444;1425490775;PeterL;asciilifeform: why do you say he did not get the message? 1041445;1425491308;asciilifeform;PeterL: article is full of retardation (e.g. 'immutability', 'optimize for novices', etc) 1041446;1425491342;asciilifeform;too much to list 1041447;1425491910;BingoBoingo;Updated http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-hk-security-devices.htm 1041448;1425491914;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B77x2n ) 1041449;1425492420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167600 @ 0.00037987 = 63.6662 BTC [-] {3} 1041450;1425493030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55483 @ 0.00038964 = 21.6184 BTC [+] {2} 1041451;1425493091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118297 @ 0.00039874 = 47.1697 BTC [+] {3} 1041452;1425493274;BingoBoingo;!up sjsqd 1041453;1425493279;sjsqd;Thank you 1041454;1425493284;jurov;!up sjsqd 1041455;1425493292;sjsqd;I'm writing some articles on the bitcoin foundation via Let's Talk Bitcoin 1041456;1425493302;sjsqd;and happened upon http://thebitcoin.foundation/ during a search 1041457;1425493303;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLALLE ) 1041458;1425493313;sjsqd;Would anyone be interested in discussing it with me? 1041459;1425493323;jurov;just ask 1041460;1425493344;sjsqd;I couldn't find much reference to the original foundation in the documentation 1041461;1425493356;asciilifeform;sjsqd: the first thing to know is that there are two foundations. 1041462;1425493356;sjsqd;but is it correct to title it as the 'pirate' bitcoin foundation? 1041463;1425493376;jurov;sjsqd: the original one is the pirate one 1041464;1425493378;fluffypony;altfoundation 1041465;1425493380;fluffypony;:-P 1041466;1425493387;nubbins`;sjsqd, what jurov said 1041467;1425493400;sjsqd;is this thread official in nature? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934517.0 1041468;1425493401;assbot;Introducing new "the only official foundation of Bitcoin" [sign up as president] ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLAPen ) 1041469;1425493404;PeterL;this new foundations works on the assumption that the previous one does not exist 1041470;1425493416;sjsqd;ah ok 1041471;1425493421;nubbins`;sjsqd the only official statements are PGP-signed statements from members of assbot's wot 1041472;1425493438;sjsqd;I have done quite an amount of research on the foundation but never seen this page 1041473;1425493442;nubbins`;if you check the mailing list archives on the .foundation website, there's a bunch of stuff there 1041474;1425493450;sjsqd;do you know if anyone from the previous foundation is aware of it? 1041475;1425493454;nubbins`;who cares 1041476;1425493457;sjsqd;will do nubbins` 1041477;1425493497;sjsqd;nubbins`: the goal of my articles is to try and ascertain how transparently the foundation currently operates 1041478;1425493502;asciilifeform;sjsqd: the more heavily-advertised 'foundation' (vessenes, hearn, andresen, et al) was a scam from day one 1041479;1425493513;nubbins`;^ 1041480;1425493513;sjsqd;which I'm not aware anyone else has done so far 1041481;1425493532;sjsqd;its certainly interesting to see two foundations with the same name (: 1041482;1425493548;sjsqd;I will look at the mailing list, if I have further questions is there any email address I could use or is this IRC channel the best method of communication? 1041483;1425493558;PeterL;this chan is best 1041484;1425493564;nubbins`;think of them as the foundation and the phoundation, with the other guys being the ph 1041485;1425493569;BingoBoingo;sjsqd: That foundation has never really had any transparency. Vessenes birthed it in the shadows and snuck out the same way. 1041486;1425493577;sjsqd;ok great, I will keep a record of this channel in my notes then 1041487;1425493579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86800 @ 0.0003869 = 33.5829 BTC [-] 1041488;1425493589;sjsqd;https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/a-fresh-look-at-the-bitcoin-foundation-part-one 1041489;1425493591;assbot;A Fresh Look at the Bitcoin Foundation, Part One | Lets Talk Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLAWXl ) 1041490;1425493597;sjsqd;This is the first article I made if anyone is interested 1041491;1425493604;sjsqd;second is here: https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/transparency-a-fresh-look-at-the-bitcoin-foundation-part-two 1041492;1425493605;assbot;Transparency: A Fresh Look at the Bitcoin Foundation, Part Two | Lets Talk Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLAXdR ) 1041493;1425493611;sjsqd;I will probably be publishing a third at some point this week 1041494;1425493613;nubbins`;rad 1041495;1425493627;nubbins`;this foundation is more interested in uh 1041496;1425493636;nubbins`;making the codebase not a steaming pile of shit 1041497;1425493639;PeterL;is gmaxwell associated with the phoundation? I remember him coming by here a few times 1041498;1425493646;nubbins`;instead of campaigning/rallying/whatever 1041499;1425493662;sjsqd;nubbins`:interesting 1041500;1425493679;nubbins`;sjsqd the latest foundation release is 0.5.3.1 1041501;1425493686;sjsqd;nubbins`:given the current state of foundation communications it is actually quite difficult to ascertain exactly what it is tasked with doing 1041502;1425493704;nubbins`;think of it as a LTS stream 1041503;1425493708;sjsqd;I'm still quite new to bitcoin, is the client that you release an alternative client? 1041504;1425493721;nubbins`;it's the official foundation client :D 1041505;1425493723;jurov;no it's the original client 1041506;1425493737;jurov;it should be stripped to bare minimum first 1041507;1425493741;sjsqd;I guess the term official/alternative isn't the best to use 1041508;1425493744;nubbins`;based on the original 0.5.3 source code, with plain ol' unix patches applied to de-turdify it 1041509;1425493753;sjsqd;but I assume the client you work on is different to bitcoin core? 1041510;1425493757;nubbins`;each patch is intended to be small enough that a human can read and understand it 1041511;1425493771;sjsqd;but works with bitcoin just the same as any other client (multibit etc) does? 1041512;1425493771;ben_vulpes;sjsqd: it's just the old code. 1041513;1425493774;nubbins`;the goal is to trim the fat from the oldest still-working code base 1041514;1425493779;ben_vulpes;sjsqd: it's just. old. code. 1041515;1425493782;asciilifeform;sjsqd: starting point was phoundation's release circa 2012 1041516;1425493788;nubbins`;rather than add more fat to the same, which is how the current "bitcoin core" release came to be 1041517;1425493790;sjsqd;ahh ok understood 1041518;1425493798;ben_vulpes;no "gavinblocks" 1041519;1425493808;ben_vulpes;someone removed the "alert" feature 1041520;1425493813;ben_vulpes;dns is on the chopping block, etc. 1041521;1425493819;nubbins`;win32 "features" removed 1041522;1425493820;asciilifeform;already zapped 1041523;1425493829;ben_vulpes;a right, asciilifeform excised the dns. 1041524;1425493833;sjsqd;very interesting 1041525;1425493835;ben_vulpes;no win32, no qt 1041526;1425493838;nubbins`;slowly bringing it closer to the ideal of "one program to do one task" 1041527;1425493845;asciilifeform;in the process of removing the idiot hardcoded seed list 1041528;1425493847;nubbins`;ripping qt was ++ 1041529;1425493852;ben_vulpes;the question under consideration is "what precisely does it mean to bitcoinate?" 1041530;1425493855;sjsqd;ok I will save everyone's time and look through the mailing list, I might return with some further questions later on 1041531;1425493858;sjsqd;thanks for your time 1041532;1425493859;ben_vulpes;the goal is to do that and nothing more. 1041533;1425493907;BingoBoingo; but works with bitcoin just the same as any other client (multibit etc) does? << Very different from multibit. Multibit is based on the Hearn BitcoinJ turd. 1041534;1425494013;jurov;sjsqd, you can peruse the searchable logs here, too 1041535;1425494030;nubbins`;^ 1041536;1425494052;sjsqd;BingoBoingo: I'm not that well acquainted with how the different clients originated or their quality, more just a question of whether it is a bitcoin or an altcoin client; from what I understand it is a bitcoin client 1041537;1425494062;sjsqd;ahh I see the URL for logs in the title 1041538;1425494066;sjsqd;thanks for the pointer 1041539;1425494074;ben_vulpes;sjsqd: a bitcoin client. 1041540;1425494091;sjsqd;ben_vulpes:thanks 1041541;1425494219;danielpbarron;sjsqd, how many LTBcoin did you get for writing those? 1041542;1425494235;sjsqd;I got about 180k for the first one 1041543;1425494241;sjsqd;clocked in at about 40ish USD 1041544;1425494247;sjsqd;but I am holding the LTBcoin 1041545;1425494254;sjsqd;(I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to disclose that) 1041546;1425494263;sjsqd;not enough to live on 1041547;1425494271;sjsqd;but a good alternative income 1041548;1425494276;danielpbarron;what determines how much you get for an article? 1041549;1425494281;sjsqd;you basically earn based upon your proportion of page views 1041550;1425494289;sjsqd;its all calculated automatically as far as I'm aware 1041551;1425494301;sjsqd;there is an editor too who makes my posts more readable 1041552;1425494315;sjsqd;she gets a cut before I do 1041553;1425494325;jurov;sjsqd, you know about qntra? it also pays (kinda) contributors 1041554;1425494343;sjsqd;No I hadn't heard of it 1041555;1425494351;jurov;qnra.net :) 1041556;1425494351;sjsqd;Thanks I will check it out 1041557;1425494360;jurov;* qntra.net 1041558;1425494369;sjsqd;I found out about let's talk bitcoin via the foundation forums (andresen forums if you want to call it that) 1041559;1425494385;danielpbarron;your 180k ltbcoin are worth about 0.02 bitcoin by my estimation 1041560;1425494389;sjsqd;because I made some posts saying the website wasn't adequate in certain terms 1041561;1425494404;danielpbarron;that's like what, 6 bucks? 1041562;1425494413;danielpbarron;i wrote 2 paragraphs for qntra and its worth like 15 bucks 1041563;1425494413;sjsqd;danielpbarron: I'm not interested in writing for money anyway 1041564;1425494422;danielpbarron;lolk, then i guess you're in the right place 1041565;1425494459;sjsqd;according to poloniex 180k is about 0.16 1041566;1425494466;sjsqd;where I live I can't buy bitcoins easily 1041567;1425494471;sjsqd;so its nice to have a little coming in from writing 1041568;1425494475;danielpbarron;i checked the actual DEX 1041569;1425494477;sjsqd;I used to blog years and years ago 1041570;1425494477;BingoBoingo;sjsqd: Anyway the qntra thing can probably also help with some background on differences between the Vessenes' foundation and the (dot)foundation 1041571;1425494499;sjsqd;even with hundreds of thousands of page views I only ever made about 70 USD over 2-3 years 1041572;1425494507;danielpbarron;no you didn't 1041573;1425494508;sjsqd;BingoBoingo:thanks I'll have a look on there 1041574;1425494513;danielpbarron;you said you still have your LTBcoin 1041575;1425494521;danielpbarron;that means you still have.. ltbcoin, not dollars 1041576;1425494525;sjsqd;danielpbarron:I was referring to a different blog 1041577;1425494532;sjsqd;pre-bitcoin days (to some extent) 1041578;1425494551;sjsqd;completely separate platform, just was using it as a point of reference 1041579;1425494594;sjsqd;I might look at writing something for qntra 1041580;1425494607;sjsqd;let's talk bitcoin is interesting because there are quite a few podcasts and such 1041581;1425494659;danielpbarron;podcasts are trash 1041582;1425494671;asciilifeform;sjsqd: there are, approximately, two 'bitcoin universes.' the one where scammers and u.s. fed stoolies scratch one another's backs, 1041583;1425494672;pete_dushenski;sjsqd: I might look at writing something for qntra << wot first http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/13/qntra-reaffirms-wot-irc-yeshiva-in-no-way-optional/ 1041584;1425494673;assbot;Qntra Reaffirms That The WoT And IRC Yeshiva Are In No Way Optional | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJJS49 ) 1041585;1425494673;asciilifeform;and this one. 1041586;1425494676;danielpbarron;nothing of value is discussed in a podcast 1041587;1425494687;PeterL;I would much prefer to read an article than to listen to some guy talking 1041588;1425494689;sjsqd;I don't personally listen to them but there are some interesting topics 1041589;1425494700;danielpbarron;no, there really aren't 1041590;1425494707;danielpbarron;that is a common misconception 1041591;1425494720;sjsqd;I understand the idea of bitcoin universes, I didn't get into it to make a quick buck selling for cash or anything 1041592;1425494726;sjsqd;I read about bitcoin a few years back 1041593;1425494732;sjsqd;downloaded the mining software, my ADD kicked in 1041594;1425494742;sjsqd;and I went and played games 1041595;1425494766;sjsqd;but I've read as much as my mind can understand on it (I'm not a coder though) 1041596;1425494775;danielpbarron;!b 4 1041597;1425494776;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2F5VY0V.txt ) 1041598;1425494786;sjsqd;and I really like the idea of being able to carry around my money on my phone 1041599;1425494790;sjsqd;or have my passport on my phone 1041600;1425494794;danielpbarron;ack a bashed too soon 1041601;1425494805;sjsqd;and I live in a city where the government evolves quickly 1041602;1425494817;PeterL;lol, bitcoin is not meant to be on a phone 1041603;1425494820;sjsqd;so the likelihood of bitcoin being adopted widely is high (although it hasn't happened just yet) 1041604;1425494836;danielpbarron;what does government have to do with it!? 1041605;1425494840;sjsqd;PeterL:I use my phone, Windows computer and a VPS or two to store my coins 1041606;1425494845;PeterL;read the logs, then you will understand how bitcoin should (and should not) be used 1041607;1425494859;sjsqd;danielpbarron:in this specific locale the government has to allow it because of terrorism and money laundering etc 1041608;1425494870;sjsqd;but it is also a locale where you could pay for a house in cash and no one would ask any questions 1041609;1425494870;danielpbarron;what locale is that? everywhere? 1041610;1425494873;sjsqd;Dubai 1041611;1425494880;PeterL;do you consider your phone a safe place for your money? 1041612;1425494885;sjsqd;camel to computer in 30 years 1041613;1425494905;sjsqd;PeterL depends, I try to be sensible about what I install 1041614;1425494918;danielpbarron;clearly you aren't 1041615;1425494923;danielpbarron;you install malware 1041616;1425494925;pete_dushenski;windows is sensible on what planet ? 1041617;1425494935;PeterL;phones can get lost or stolen, then what? 1041618;1425494936;sjsqd;I need it for work unfortunately 1041619;1425494945;sjsqd;my phone is encrypted 1041620;1425494950;danielpbarron;so... stupid.. 1041621;1425494952;sjsqd;and cannot be unlocked without pin code 1041622;1425494956;pete_dushenski;a $100 linux laptop does the trick 1041623;1425494966;sjsqd;all my wallets are locked and require separate passwords to open 1041624;1425494973;sjsqd;a friend of mine had his phone stolen 1041625;1425494974;PeterL;how long would it take an attacker to brute force your pin? 1041626;1425494978;pete_dushenski;of course, your level of security depends on how much you're trying to secure 1041627;1425494995;sjsqd;PeterL it wouldn't matter because all my wallets are locked, no passwords are stored locally 1041628;1425494998;pete_dushenski;but no one wants to be another '4,500 btc hard drive in the landfill' guy 1041629;1425495013;sjsqd;I'm looking at upgrading to a phone with a fingerprint scanner 1041630;1425495021;sjsqd;or moving to the Mozilla phone or something 1041631;1425495023;*;danielpbarron stabs sjsqd 1041632;1425495024;PeterL;pete_dushenski: paper backups are a good idea? 1041633;1425495039;mike_c;easy dpb :) everybody starts somewhere. 1041634;1425495044;sjsqd;pete_dushenski:yes for long term usage, no one is going to pull out a fully fledged laptop to pay for their groceries 1041635;1425495050;pete_dushenski;sjsqd: biometric: http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/27/on-the-stupidity-of-biometric-security-for-smartphones-and-smartwatches/ 1041636;1425495051;assbot;On The Stupidity Of Biometric Security for Smartphones and Smartwatches | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLC25j ) 1041637;1425495063;PeterL;why do you think you need bitcoin for groceries? 1041638;1425495065;pete_dushenski;PeterL: i'd say so 1041639;1425495072;sjsqd;PeterL:I enjoy eating 1041640;1425495090;PeterL;convert btc -> local cash -> food 1041641;1425495098;asciilifeform;sjsqd: in dubai, famously, there are 'gold atm' - where you run a card and get 100g bricks out. but do you pay for food with these ? 1041642;1425495101;pete_dushenski;sjsqd: just because you like to eat, doesn't mean you should steal food 1041643;1425495119;asciilifeform;!up sjsqd 1041644;1425495125;sjsqd;asciilifeform:haha yes there are 2-3 of them, no I don't own any gold 1041645;1425495140;asciilifeform;sjsqd: but if you did - would you think of paying for groceries with it ? 1041646;1425495141;sjsqd;pete_dushenski:how is it stealing if the vendor eventually accepts bitcoin? 1041647;1425495154;sjsqd;asciilifeform:no I'm very sceptical of gold for a number of reasons 1041648;1425495168;sjsqd;I personally believe that the entire gold/silver/etc markets are manipulated like crazy 1041649;1425495206;sjsqd;and I've seen firsthand how depending upon culture people will dump their life savings into buying some gold 1041650;1425495215;sjsqd;when they get married or as an investment 1041651;1425495220;sjsqd;and then it sits in a cupboard 1041652;1425495222;asciilifeform;and this is the only reason you wouldn't want to pay in a restaurant with gold? 1041653;1425495227;pete_dushenski;sjsqd: it's more along the lines of, just because you like to do something, doesn't mean than a particular avenue of approach is appropriate 1041654;1425495230;sjsqd;its inconvenient obviously 1041655;1425495232;asciilifeform;would you want to pay with diamonds? plutonium? rembrandts ? 1041656;1425495247;sjsqd;asciilifeform:that's why I want to pay with bitcoin or something similar 1041657;1425495248;asciilifeform;for a meal 1041658;1425495258;sjsqd;I only ever pay with cash or my card 1041659;1425495272;sjsqd;and my card has been cloned once, and I've had tons of issues with my bank 1041660;1425495277;asciilifeform;sjsqd: try to understand why bitcoin is more analogous to diamonds or rembrandts than to the national currency you grew up with 1041661;1425495286;asciilifeform;even though surface appearances may deceive 1041662;1425495290;sjsqd;I hate operating hours of banks (even though you can access full bank services till like 10PM at nighttime here) 1041663;1425495298;asciilifeform;and idiots are spending their coin as if it were toilet paper 1041664;1425495319;sjsqd;asciilifeform:yes I kind of understand that bitcoin is more of a long term cryptocurrency (my view anyway) than a day-to-day currency for a number of reasons 1041665;1425495323;PeterL;save in btc, spend dollars 1041666;1425495347;sjsqd;PeterL:there is almost nowhere to even spend it here (beyond paying web hosting bills etc) so I am pretty much saving it right now 1041667;1425495369;asciilifeform;sjsqd: this is actually good fortune, that you've nowhere to blow it just yet 1041668;1425495384;sjsqd;the local currency here hasn't ever really fluctuated 1041669;1425495388;sjsqd;it is permanently tied to the USD 1041670;1425495395;sjsqd;3.68 AED - 1 USD 1041671;1425495403;sjsqd;the same rating for something like 2 decades 1041672;1425495405;asciilifeform;sjsqd: once you understand the above, it will never occur to you to carry bitcoin on your person in the street, or spend it in a restaurant 1041673;1425495407;PeterL;and you don't see being tied to usd as a problem? 1041674;1425495410;sjsqd;fuel price rarely changes 1041675;1425495426;sjsqd;PeterL:I obviously do, but have little choice in the matter 1041676;1425495447;PeterL;save in bitcoin, then you don't have to be tied to usd 1041677;1425495466;sjsqd;I'm not wealthy (at all) so its more an incapability of keeping more bitcoin at the moment 1041678;1425495492;sjsqd;asciilifeform:I haven't really spent any, only to show friends how it works 1041679;1425495507;sjsqd;On a recent flight I used the plane's WiFi which cost like 1 USD 1041680;1425495520;sjsqd;and managed to teach a friend in pakistan as well as a friend in Dubai how to set up a wallet on their phone 1041681;1425495526;sjsqd;and sent money from 37,000 feet 1041682;1425495543;sjsqd;obviously sent them some dust just to show them how it works 1041683;1425495562;sjsqd;but beyond having to scrape into my savings to pay for a VPS here or there I actually don't have any way to spend it here yet 1041684;1425495574;sjsqd;and I don't carry any worthwhile amount on my phone 1041685;1425495575;danielpbarron;you should better teach them how to run a full node 1041686;1425495599;sjsqd;danielpbarron:that depends on people's technical ability though 1041687;1425495601;danielpbarron;the whole "crypto on your phone" thing is more of a hinderance than a help 1041688;1425495630;sjsqd;danielpbarron:because it doesn't contribute network resources? 1041689;1425495635;danielpbarron;they need to refine technical ability then; don't give them fire without teaching fire safety 1041690;1425495673;lobbes;'crypto on phone' defeats the purpose of bitcoin 1041691;1425495684;lobbes;which is a secure store of value 1041692;1425495703;lobbes;that only you can access (if you know what you are doing) 1041693;1425495723;sjsqd;danielpbarron:as much as I understand what you're saying its difficult to explain to people the fire safety aspect 1041694;1425495727;sjsqd;Ubuntu is fairly easy 1041695;1425495736;danielpbarron;so is a noose 1041696;1425495738;sjsqd;but is a long way from any sort of plug and play operation 1041697;1425495743;danielpbarron;just slip it over head 1041698;1425495765;sjsqd;unless people understand how to compile software its too difficult 1041699;1425495785;danielpbarron;understanding these things is like understanding how to ride a horse in the 1800s 1041700;1425495797;danielpbarron;if you don't know how, you are practically illiterate 1041701;1425495803;sjsqd;here there are interesting applications of bitcoin besides paying for things with phones 1041702;1425495810;sjsqd;money remittance specifically 1041703;1425495821;sjsqd;90% of the population are foreign 1041704;1425495833;sjsqd;and send a shit ton of money through methods like western union or their banks 1041705;1425495836;danielpbarron;paying for things with phones is NOT an application of bitcoin! 1041706;1425495862;danielpbarron;you have apple pay and paypal and whatever app of choice for that 1041707;1425495869;sjsqd;do you think there is an altcoin more suited for that? 1041708;1425495877;danielpbarron;no 1041709;1425495881;sjsqd;I would never, ever personally use anything branded by Apple in a million years 1041710;1425495893;danielpbarron;but you use windows.. 1041711;1425495895;sjsqd;I don't care if its a lifeboat on the titanic 1041712;1425495913;sjsqd;danielpbarron:mainly because Adobe won't release their software on Linux just yet 1041713;1425495933;sjsqd;Windows is kind of a necessary evil if you want to play modern video games or use 'creative' software 1041714;1425495935;danielpbarron;you won't use apple to literally save your life but you'll use windows to save your job.. ok.. 1041715;1425495939;sjsqd;my opinion anyway 1041716;1425495953;sjsqd;I do some photography work so using Adobe is pretty much mandated 1041717;1425495958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00038453 = 16.5732 BTC [-] 1041718;1425495964;sjsqd;Unless you want to deal with the limitations of GIMP 1041719;1425495980;sjsqd;or deal with Apple's Aperture software 1041720;1425495993;sjsqd;I understand open source could probably do a better job 1041721;1425496000;sjsqd;but we haven't quite reached that point yet 1041722;1425496013;sjsqd;having said that, my disdain for Adobe is growing on a daily basis 1041723;1425496021;danielpbarron;that doesn't excuse you using bitcoin on your windows computer 1041724;1425496037;sjsqd;tbh, if I had the choice I'd have a separate computer for linux and a separate computer for windows 1041725;1425496044;danielpbarron;you do! 1041726;1425496051;danielpbarron;my laptop cost 250 bucks on ebay 1041727;1425496061;sjsqd;I have a laptop and I am moving *towards* that 1041728;1425496065;danielpbarron;and even that is a bit pricy -- i picked one with a fast GPU 1041729;1425496077;sjsqd;but at the moment I have a family member in intensive care unit 1041730;1425496084;sjsqd;and I'm writing articles about the bitcoin foundation 1041731;1425496103;sjsqd;as well as waiting for legalization of my residency status (its been 3 years of not being a resident so far) 1041732;1425496109;sjsqd;so its kinda taken a back seat (: 1041733;1425496132;sjsqd;I will be moving all my financial things onto Ubuntu or something similar fairly soon though 1041734;1425496140;danielpbarron;ubuntu is not recommended 1041735;1425496144;sjsqd;debian? 1041736;1425496148;danielpbarron;maybe 1041737;1425496154;sjsqd;jeez 1041738;1425496157;sjsqd;debian is a challenge 1041739;1425496161;danielpbarron;don't use gnome if so 1041740;1425496167;danielpbarron;lol debian is easy 1041741;1425496169;sjsqd;I've run a few debian VPS servers before 1041742;1425496179;sjsqd;its all about balancing convenience vs security I suppose 1041743;1425496191;sjsqd;screen. I hate screen. 1041744;1425496203;sjsqd;its great functionally but it confuses the hell out of me 1041745;1425496229;danielpbarron;you do realize debian can have a desktop environment, right? 1041746;1425496232;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: you hate podcasts, but do you like radio at all? 1041747;1425496234;sjsqd;the biggest thing I've noticed about computer security is that its almost impossible to get decent biometric security 1041748;1425496238;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, not really 1041749;1425496244;sjsqd;danielpbarron:yeah I tried it once on a VPS but it didn't end well 1041750;1425496257;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: curious to the reason you dislike the medium? 1041751;1425496267;jurov;sjsqd: biometric is overrated 1041752;1425496283;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, if there is something worth discussing, just write a blog post 1041753;1425496286;sjsqd;the problem I have with debian is that unless you run some specific version (I usually run the latest version) most of the documentation on the internet is kinda only 75% there 1041754;1425496296;sjsqd;and unless you're familiar with how to compile etc it gets pretty confusing quickly 1041755;1425496298;thestringpuller;jurov: i kno rite. so not only will someone kidnap me, they'll cut off or extract appendages to unlock my stuff... 1041756;1425496323;danielpbarron;talking free-form into a mic is for people not smart enough to write down what they mean in a concise manner 1041757;1425496350;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: ah. but what about say, Gang Busters? Or rehearsed stuff. Orson Welles War of the Worlds broadcast? 1041758;1425496356;danielpbarron;sjsqd, not that i'm recommmending debian, but it uses a package manager that downloads binaries, not source 1041759;1425496374;sjsqd;danielpbarron:to be fair when it comes to interviews I'd rather hear the full conversation rather than what someone else has cut up from the discussion 1041760;1425496379;danielpbarron;i would recommend gentoo over debian 1041761;1425496394;sjsqd;danielpbarron:yeah apt-get is easy enough to use, but when you need to install a custom altcoin wallet for instance 1041762;1425496407;sjsqd;that is when I get stumped 1041763;1425496409;danielpbarron;well don't do that 1041764;1425496420;sjsqd;although I did manage to compile a few wallets on Ubuntu successfully 1041765;1425496446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00038453 = 7.1715 BTC [-] 1041766;1425496451;sjsqd;danielpbarron:when I get the time I will probably get a harddrive, install a barebones Debian installation on different partitions for each altcoin 1041767;1425496455;sjsqd;so they are completely separete 1041768;1425496459;sjsqd;seperate 1041769;1425496463;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, sure I wouldn't mind someone reading something that had already been written down; that's more like an audio book than a podcast 1041770;1425496471;sjsqd;indeed, separate 1041771;1425496481;danielpbarron;sjsqd, save yourself the trouble and don't install any altcoins 1041772;1425496515;sjsqd;danielpbarron:then how am I going to walk around with my augmented vision paying for things in 20 years time if bitcoin isn't the ideal cryptocurrency? 1041773;1425496528;danielpbarron;http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ So for the benefit of all the derps derping about "cryptocurrencies" : there is no such thing. There's Bitcoin and that's it, because there can only be one. 1041774;1425496529;assbot;The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17RjJtN ) 1041775;1425496555;lobbes;sjsqd: what others have said: save in bitcoin, spend in (local currency) 1041776;1425496590;sjsqd;for now that is how I'm operating (especially given no one accepts bitcoin here except like 1 pizza restaurant) 1041777;1425496608;sjsqd;but in the future if I can receive 100% of my pay via cryptocurrency I will 1041778;1425496621;sjsqd;I personally have little interest in cash 1041779;1425496624;danielpbarron;via bitcoin* 1041780;1425496634;sjsqd;on the topic of altcoins 1041781;1425496642;thestringpuller;lobbes: i wouldn't save in bicoin during a bubble 1041782;1425496644;sjsqd;I do see that many of them have ended up as scams and so on 1041783;1425496649;danielpbarron;on the topic of altcoins, they are all scams -- avoid them 1041784;1425496656;sjsqd;but there are a few that have been ok so far 1041785;1425496661;sjsqd;DNOTES is quite interesting 1041786;1425496671;sjsqd;they've put together the first long term savings plan 1041787;1425496684;sjsqd;I have no doubt it is manipulated via bots 1041788;1425496687;danielpbarron;that doesn't make sense 1041789;1425496688;sjsqd;but then again, what isn't nowadays? 1041790;1425496690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12838 @ 0.00037468 = 4.8101 BTC [-] 1041791;1425496717;sjsqd;Well that is what the limitation (in my eyes) is of most altcoins and bitcoin itself 1041792;1425496722;sjsqd;no communication and no marketing 1041793;1425496732;sjsqd;unless you want to dig through 2000 page threads on bitcointalk 1041794;1425496738;sjsqd;stay on IRC 24/7 1041795;1425496743;sjsqd;or use reddit 24/7 1041796;1425496747;danielpbarron;yes! stay on irc 24/7! 1041797;1425496747;thestringpuller;sjsqd: they make logs for a reason... 1041798;1425496768;danielpbarron;forget the forum -- forget reddit; those are distractions 1041799;1425496771;sjsqd;thestringpuller:yes but most people outside of extreme enthusiasts are not going to look through logs 1041800;1425496780;sjsqd;even then 1041801;1425496781;lobbes;forget the forum -- forget reddit; those are distractions << yes 1041802;1425496781;danielpbarron;so? screw them. 1041803;1425496789;PeterL;focus on the log for this chan, yes, that is how you will learn 1041804;1425496791;asciilifeform;sjsqd: what do you need the remaining people for ? 1041805;1425496806;thestringpuller;sjsqd: this is akin to someone pretending to be involved in history and but didn't read any history books. 1041806;1425496819;thestringpuller;sjsqd: this doesn't work. 1041807;1425496820;danielpbarron;What did Noah do when nobody else would get on the Ark? He.. GOT ON THE ARK. 1041808;1425496821;sjsqd;except a history book is just a summary of events in most cases 1041809;1425496827;sjsqd;even if its provides sources, its a summary 1041810;1425496837;jurov;sjsqd if someone takes an effort to do a marketing toward you, they're after your money or soul 1041811;1425496842;jurov;get used to it 1041812;1425496847;sjsqd;to find out what is happening with bitcoin or xyz altcoin it isn't important to read through thousands of pages 1041813;1425496852;sjsqd;jurov:wouldn't surprise me 1041814;1425496865;sjsqd;I did save some money a few years back in a bonds thing backed by the government 1041815;1425496867;thestringpuller;sjsqd: you should probably read some huxely with the logs. 1041816;1425496871;sjsqd;a decent whack of money 1041817;1425496879;sjsqd;sat there for an entire year 1041818;1425496884;sjsqd;and I got 50 USD in interest 1041819;1425496896;sjsqd;not worth it at all 1041820;1425496905;sjsqd;all my bank accounts get chewed out the ass with fees and such 1041821;1425496911;PeterL;sjsqd: important stuff shows up on qntra.net if you don't want to wade through the logs 1041822;1425496929;sjsqd;PeterL:yes I will be adding it to my reading list 1041823;1425496962;danielpbarron;i cashed out some bonds that my grandma got me when i was born; did the math and realized it should have been worth many ounces of gold instead of a measly 1k or whatever it matured to 1041824;1425496991;jurov;!up sjsqd 1041825;1425497004;PeterL;that inflation will kill you on long-term investing 1041826;1425497034;danielpbarron;best gift for a baby? golden pacifier or something 1041827;1425497034;sjsqd;I'm not even that familiar with how traditional currency or banking works 1041828;1425497042;PeterL;sjsqd, you should get in the wot too 1041829;1425497043;sjsqd;but in terms of whether I trust a computer or a human more 1041830;1425497048;sjsqd;I trust a computer 1041831;1425497066;sjsqd;every time I have an issue with a bank it requires dealing with 20 humans 1041832;1425497070;danielpbarron;unfortunately computers are made by humans.. 1041833;1425497078;sjsqd;and I'm pretty sure their jobs are going to disappear within a few years 1041834;1425497091;sjsqd;If I want to use my debit card from another country here 1041835;1425497098;sjsqd;I had to try 5 different ATM machines the other day 1041836;1425497107;sjsqd;"DO NOT HONOR" 1041837;1425497115;sjsqd;miraculously it works on a different machine though 1041838;1425497117;danielpbarron;think of FIAT like illegal drugs and you'll have an easier time 1041839;1425497129;sjsqd;not only that 1041840;1425497137;sjsqd;I'm paying like 20 USD just to withdraw cash 1041841;1425497142;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: can you elaborate? 1041842;1425497145;sjsqd;so it *should* work unless the internet is down 1041843;1425497161;sjsqd;I went on a work trip to lebanon once, tried to use my ATM card twice and it lagged out 1041844;1425497168;sjsqd;of course I didn't get any cash 1041845;1425497172;danielpbarron;if you want just a 20-bag, it costs a much higher premium 1041846;1425497178;danielpbarron;than if you bought a whole ounce 1041847;1425497181;sjsqd;but the bank took my money anyway (I got it back after filing forms etc) 1041848;1425497220;sjsqd;I do get the hesitation towards altcoins 1041849;1425497237;danielpbarron;you should better keep savings in bitcoin, and find local street dealers to sell you FIAT as needed 1041850;1425497238;sjsqd;but I do think that at least 2-3 of them will shine above the rest 1041851;1425497262;sjsqd;danielpbarron: there are only a few BTC sellers here so its economically unfeasible to use bitcoin like that yet 1041852;1425497275;sjsqd;I should probably note that I only just moved back here anyway 1041853;1425497279;sjsqd;so I'm not 'set up' just yet 1041854;1425497280;danielpbarron;a few is all it takes to keep it competative, no? 1041855;1425497293;danielpbarron;buy a months worth at a time 1041856;1425497299;sjsqd;that and its a free market 1041857;1425497303;danielpbarron;this ties into the "don't buy groceries with bitcoin" thing 1041858;1425497319;sjsqd;danielpbarron:I wouldn't buy them just yet because cash still works just as well 1041859;1425497321;danielpbarron;buy a months worth of FIAT with bitcoin, and use that to buy groceries 1041860;1425497325;sjsqd;but potentially in 5 years time 1041861;1425497331;sjsqd;if bitcoin or similar is stable enough\ 1041862;1425497337;sjsqd;I would use it 100% 1041863;1425497345;danielpbarron;well you can't bring your cash across borders 1041864;1425497352;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i see what you mean now. re-up on fiat with your bitcoin. 1041865;1425497355;sjsqd;exactly 1041866;1425497361;thestringpuller;now is the best time to do it cause there is not a lot of volatility 1041867;1425497362;sjsqd;and I got permanently banned from using paypal for life too 1041868;1425497383;sjsqd;after several thousand USD worth of transactions and 0 complaints 1041869;1425497409;sjsqd;I used one of those bitcoin exchanges recently 1041870;1425497418;sjsqd;and added all my bank accounts (I have 3 in 3 different countries) 1041871;1425497429;sjsqd;and thought "oh wow this is cool I can now manage all my money from one place sort of" 1041872;1425497447;sjsqd;(keep in mind the bank accounts were verified via the usual 0.01 transaction shit) 1041873;1425497456;sjsqd;then I get a message asking for a copy of my ID as well as a video interview 1041874;1425497472;sjsqd;because I tried to buy $50 USD worth of bitcoin 1041875;1425497476;danielpbarron;kinda the point of why bitcoin will eventually win 1041876;1425497482;sjsqd;exactly 1041877;1425497492;sjsqd;although windows isn't the absolute best solution for computer security 1041878;1425497512;sjsqd;I run a software firewall, as well as malware bytes, an adblocker that blocks malicious sites 1041879;1425497515;danielpbarron;it's not even a mediocre solution; it's not even a consideration 1041880;1425497522;sjsqd;and keep my system 100% updated at all times 1041881;1425497531;*;danielpbarron slaps sjsqd around a bit with a large update 1041882;1425497534;sjsqd;and I also barely own any cryptocurrency 1041883;1425497541;sjsqd;so at this point in time 1041884;1425497562;sjsqd;running linux exclusively to keep my internet money safe is too inconvenient to be worth it (although I will be moving to a better system very soon) 1041885;1425497594;danielpbarron;a lot of these things were discussed in here recently; you should definitely get to reading the logs 1041886;1425497601;sjsqd;I would actually prefer running some form of cloud OS (provided it was encrypted) for a portion of my holdings 1041887;1425497611;sjsqd;I like the idea of my phone being shot at by terrorists 1041888;1425497612;danielpbarron;no no no bad 1041889;1425497614;sjsqd;and just kinda shrugging 1041890;1425497619;sjsqd;and walking into a phone store and purchasing a new phone 1041891;1425497627;danielpbarron;you are really very stupid 1041892;1425497631;sjsqd;logging in and getting access back in 3-5 minutes 1041893;1425497635;danielpbarron;the only redeeming quality about you is that you ended up here somehow 1041894;1425497642;sjsqd;danielpbarron:that would be for day to day usage 1041895;1425497654;thestringpuller;damn I wish I could have bashed that 1041896;1425497657;sjsqd;danielpbarron: haha, its actually been very many years since I spammed an IRC channel 1041897;1425497706;danielpbarron;that is a luxury afforded to you because you are new 1041898;1425497715;jurov;sjsqd you will never be safe if you treat technology as magic 1041899;1425497718;danielpbarron;now your task is to read the log for at least 6 months 1041900;1425497732;jurov;"just throw this spell to it" 1041901;1425497736;ben_vulpes; but is it correct to title it as the 'pirate' bitcoin foundation? << no. 1041902;1425497759;sjsqd;ben_vulpes:noted. I had taken that title from what appears to be an unrelated bitcointalk thread. 1041903;1425497773;ben_vulpes; nubbins`: the goal of my articles is to try and ascertain how transparently the foundation currently operates << the goal of your articles is to apparently rack up pageviews. 1041904;1425497784;ben_vulpes;you yourself may ascertain whatever you may ascertain. 1041905;1425497785;sjsqd;I will definitely write about this bitcoin foundation in my articles at some point 1041906;1425497788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16019 @ 0.000375 = 6.0071 BTC [+] {2} 1041907;1425497808;ben_vulpes; think of them as the foundation and the phoundation, with the other guys being the ph << no, we're the fundation! 1041908;1425497827;sjsqd;ben_vulpes:I'm not motivated by money, it is just nice to be able to write something and get at least a little appreciation for it 1041909;1425497840;sjsqd;all I do is tweet the link to the article 1041910;1425497840;ben_vulpes;look into qntra.net 1041911;1425497850;sjsqd;and post it onto /bitcoin/ subreddit 1041912;1425497858;jurov;sjsqd it depends whose appreciation you want 1041913;1425497869;ben_vulpes; its all calculated automatically as far as I'm aware << so how would you know if things are working as expected? 1041914;1425497871;danielpbarron;yeah, prepare to be hated and banned 1041915;1425497878;jurov;those stupider than you or those more intellinget than you? 1041916;1425497893;sjsqd;I don't spam my article URLs or anything like that (I provided it here because it was relevant to show what I was writing) 1041917;1425497917;sjsqd;I don't think anyone has to read my articles or consider my viewpoint, its just my way of writing about the foundation 1041918;1425497934;ben_vulpes; I understand the idea of bitcoin universes << what you don't seem to understand is that there are separate WoTs in action. 1041919;1425497946;sjsqd;as there are many issues with the foundation (andresen edition) I was invited to post on the let's talk bitcoin website 1041920;1425497960;sjsqd;so that is purely the reason I ended up writing 1041921;1425497984;lobbes; I would actually prefer running some form of cloud OS (provided it was encrypted) for a portion of my holdings << Oh god no 1041922;1425497989;sjsqd;for this series of articles I will probably keep them on let's talk bitcoin, but for future articles or if I come up with anything else to write at the same time I might consider qntra.net 1041923;1425498011;danielpbarron;you don't consider qntra; qntra considers you. 1041924;1425498023;sjsqd;danielpbarron:then I would do my best to be considered. 1041925;1425498042;sjsqd;Please understand that I've spent many years of my life writing about issues such as internet censorship and the like 1041926;1425498057;sjsqd;so when a platform exists that can at least reward you a little 1041927;1425498072;sjsqd;you may not be that cynical 1041928;1425498079;mats;nobody cares 1041929;1425498084;sjsqd;(: 1041930;1425498092;mats;kill yourself 1041931;1425498093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00037468 = 3.6719 BTC [-] 1041932;1425498161;ben_vulpes;!down sjsqd 1041933;1425498179;PeterL;mats: kill yourself << a bit harsh? 1041934;1425498197;pete_dushenski;now that it's a bit quieter in here: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/04/kerckhoffs-history-and-principles-of-military-cryptography-translated-and-adnotated/ 1041935;1425498198;assbot;Kerckhoffs’ history and principles of military cryptography, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/17RoW4G ) 1041936;1425498226;pete_dushenski;^new record for longest article 1041937;1425498242;pete_dushenski;i hadn't quite appreciated the size of the undertaking when i started 1041938;1425498255;pete_dushenski;good practise in any event 1041939;1425498300;PeterL;pete_dushenski: good practise in any event << darn canadian spelling looks odd 1041940;1425498338;pete_dushenski;PeterL: lol 'tis british spelling, good sir 1041941;1425498403;BingoBoingo;!up sjsqd 1041942;1425498418;BingoBoingo;sjsqd: Read the logs a while and come back later 1041943;1425498454;BingoBoingo;sjsqd: Try to understand why the second (dot)foundation was discovered necessary 1041944;1425498492;sjsqd;Yes I will. I can already see part of the reasoning when it comes to transparency. 1041945;1425498585;BingoBoingo;sjsqd: Just don't burn too much time on conversation here before you get to understanding a large part of the *why* the (dot)foundation does things as peculiarly as they do. A good amount of history there. 1041946;1425498596;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041083 << impressive. brings to mind 'spruce goose' 1041947;1425498596;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 06:18:52; decimation: asciilifeform: inside a tu-95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSVtYib8StY < note the straight key against the outside bulkhead at the comms position 1041948;1425498618;sjsqd;BingoBoingo:sure. 1041949;1425498671;sjsqd;afk. 1041950;1425498689;pete_dushenski;http://www.diseno-art.com/images_7/hughes-h-4-spruce-goose-lar.jpg << nearly twice the length of 737-800, all wood 1041951;1425498691;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BIrQVw ) 1041952;1425498764;ben_vulpes;sjsqd: also, don't poison the well against yourself. 1041953;1425498808;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/wiretapped/status/573172370141253632 1041954;1425498810;assbot;I just realized /hashtag/golang?src=hash's "go get" falls back to HTTP when HTTPS fails ☹ /hashtag/RussianRouletteSoftwareDistribution?src=hash /hashtag/CurlPipeSudoBash?src=hash /hashtag/yolo?src=hash /E_I_T 1041955;1425498843;PeterL;other people realizing the dangers of dependencies? 1041956;1425498882;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well what follows is "#PSA: using @golang's "go get" on conference wifi is equivalent to running a passwordless telnet server on your laptop. srs shame on go devs" 1041957;1425499009;PeterL;does Eulora have an official website? 1041958;1425499019;thestringpuller;PeterL: no. 1041959;1425499025;thestringpuller;someone maintains eulorum.org 1041960;1425499032;PeterL;aha, thanks 1041961;1425499035;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Kid's just been hit with the discovery he's got a year of learning and unlearning to get to zero. Just maybe this one gets there. 1041962;1425499141;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: not everyone can make the journey tho. 1041963;1425499208;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Kid's not hopeless though. He was luck enough to make it in the place where he could ask questions and people were polite enough to point him where to start the reading. Rest is on him. 1041964;1425499267;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: optimistic BingoBoingo is best BingoBoingo 1041965;1425499291;asciilifeform;golang << ahahaha. 1041966;1425499311;asciilifeform;how many of these do we need before we can shoot it in the head and forget ? 1041967;1425499316;PeterL;asciilifeform: you don't like golang? 1041968;1425499322;asciilifeform;PeterL: guess. 1041969;1425499335;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: what is rule #1 of the undead? 1041970;1425499399;asciilifeform;PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979697 << see old thread 1041971;1425499399;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2015 23:44:58; *: asciilifeform was simply floored with mindfuck that anyone would choose google's turdlang for a piece of critical infrastructure, and could not resist ringing the bell 1041972;1425499415;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: 'scatter the pieces' 1041973;1425499639;*;jurov thought of rule 34 1041974;1425499673;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: so brought up ADA at work, and coworker started having Vietnam-esque flashbacks from school. Is this normal behavior? 1041975;1425499681;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: absolutely 1041976;1425499687;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: try 'scheme' on him 1041977;1425499693;asciilifeform;never fails to bring back 'vietnam' 1041978;1425499712;PeterL;and this is what you want people to use? 1041979;1425499719;thestringpuller;this compels me to learn the language more. 1041980;1425499775;asciilifeform;PeterL: life-critical embedded systems must be written in a typesafe, bound-safe standardized language with hard-real time run (that means no garbage collection) and static memory alloc. 1041981;1425499787;asciilifeform;PeterL: there is precisely one such language in existence. 1041982;1425499793;BingoBoingo;!up qntranet 1041983;1425499798;BingoBoingo;Hello visitor 1041984;1425499809;asciilifeform;PeterL: it's ugly as sin, and originally usg-promulgated, but that doesn't change the facts. 1041985;1425499826;PeterL;could we make a prettier version? 1041986;1425499840;asciilifeform;PeterL: sure, go make. we'll check again in 50 yrs. 1041987;1425499859;PeterL;ok, I'll get right on that 1041988;1425499862;asciilifeform;PeterL: but you'll find that much of what programmers actually object to in ada is precisely the good parts 1041989;1425499876;PeterL;what part do you find ugly? 1041990;1425499879;asciilifeform;'it's not sexy. whaddayamean i have to specify thing' 1041991;1425499881;BingoBoingo;!b 7 1041992;1425499881;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1W3HXTC.txt ) 1041993;1425499889;asciilifeform;PeterL: the pascal syntax mostly 1041994;1425499900;asciilifeform;but even it contributes to the actual purpose of the thing. 1041995;1425499923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00037468 = 1.48 BTC [-] 1041996;1425499927;asciilifeform;which is safety and nonambiguity at any cost. 1041997;1425499950;PeterL;in my initial introduction to ada, it seems verbose, with extra words hanging around where a symbol could work just fine 1041998;1425499962;asciilifeform;that's just about everybody's first impression 1041999;1425499972;asciilifeform;then you actually read a book and try to think of which 'verbosity' could be cut 1042000;1425499982;asciilifeform;and find that you are actually snipping off a living organ and not dead weight. 1042001;1425500004;asciilifeform;there is even a 'rationale' document (also book) ready to argue with you 1042002;1425500006;jurov;http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/ada/programs/ << some samples 1042003;1425500007;assbot;Ada Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1BIwYJr ) 1042004;1425500015;asciilifeform;it's numbered like a bible - for folks to quote chapter & verse. 1042005;1425500016;PeterL;well, it has the same named closing tags like you complain about in html (begin thing ... end thing) 1042006;1425500044;asciilifeform;PeterL: has many things that feel 'heavy' 1042007;1425500058;asciilifeform;but the result adds up to the fact that there will never, ever be an 'underhanded ada contest' 1042008;1425500096;PeterL;programs should be boringly obvious what they are doing? 1042009;1425500101;asciilifeform;precisely. 1042010;1425500114;kakobrekla;http://dangerousminds.net/comments/bank_of_canada_urges_star_trek_fans_to_stop_spocking_their_fivers 1042011;1425500114;assbot;Bank of Canada urges ‘Star Trek’ fans to stop ‘Spocking’ their fivers | Dangerous Minds ... ( http://bit.ly/1BIxgjm ) 1042012;1425500193;pete_dushenski;lmao! 1042013;1425500300;pete_dushenski;spocking "may interfere with the security features and reduces its lifespan." 1042014;1425500333;pete_dushenski;the lifespan of the polymer bills is already mediocre 1042015;1425500353;pete_dushenski;not that they wear out, of course, but they snap like a twig in the cold 1042016;1425500358;pete_dushenski;also, melt on car dash 1042017;1425500379;pete_dushenski;not sure why cash would be on car dash, but hey 1042018;1425500403;jurov;bundle ready for tickets 1042019;1425500442;PeterL;pete_dushenski: not that they wear out, of course, but they snap like a twig in the cold << the dangers of living in a frozen wasteland 1042020;1425500488;pete_dushenski;!up airgapped 1042021;1425500503;pete_dushenski;PeterL: to say nothing of the bears ! 1042022;1425500514;lobbes;So one defines their own data types in ADA? I'm not sure why I find that interesting 1042023;1425500562;pete_dushenski;http://dangerousminds.net/comments/vintage_purses_with_bold_feminist_slogans << what do you even say to a girl who sports a purse that says 'choice' or 'my body my business' ? 1042024;1425500562;assbot;Vintage purses with bold feminist slogans | Dangerous Minds ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7KgC5 ) 1042025;1425500696;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, "how much do you charge?" 1042026;1425500773;pete_dushenski;this could be a fun caption contest 1042027;1425500777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00037468 = 3.7468 BTC [-] 1042028;1425500814;pete_dushenski;ima header. cheers! 1042029;1425502058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00037468 = 2.7726 BTC [-] 1042030;1425503156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00037468 = 1.6299 BTC [-] 1042031;1425503184;mats;dow down 100 points huhu 1042032;1425503461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00037644 = 4.4043 BTC [+] 1042033;1425503644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00037644 = 1.4869 BTC [+] 1042034;1425503754;bitstein;This is pretty lulzy: https://github.com/jonasnick/eth-neg-value-tx 1042035;1425503755;assbot;jonasnick/eth-neg-value-tx · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaSe9C ) 1042036;1425505901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.0003725 = 6.8168 BTC [-] 1042037;1425507913;BingoBoingo;http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150304092744 1042038;1425507914;assbot;LibreSSL 2.1.4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zL8JVk ) 1042039;1425508280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00037051 = 8.3365 BTC [-] 1042040;1425508951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00037281 = 2.2741 BTC [+] {2} 1042041;1425508959;mircea_popescu;cazalla i had not no 1042042;1425509093;mircea_popescu;Dear Customer, 1042043;1425509094;mircea_popescu;We detected irregular card activity on your American Express Check Card on 4 March, 1042044;1425509094;mircea_popescu;2015. As the Primary Contact, you must verify your credit card activity before you can 1042045;1425509094;mircea_popescu;continue using your card, and upon verification, we will remove any restrictions 1042046;1425509094;mircea_popescu;placed on your card. 1042047;1425509102;mircea_popescu;dude, the fucking notion that this shit sounds credible. 1042048;1425509227;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, 1042049;1425509227;mircea_popescu;Theodore Sturgeon, respected creative and prolific science fiction author, shed the following offhand remark which instantly codified as Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is shit." One might visit a university library and walk through Women's Studies or hyphenated-American literature areas and wonder where Sturgeon's 10% is cloistered. Why pay parking fees? The 90% will come knocking at your door, then break it down d 1042050;1425509227;mircea_popescu;emanding entry. 1042051;1425509256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11552 @ 0.00037467 = 4.3282 BTC [+] {2} 1042052;1425509431;asciilifeform;sumbody's been reading al 1042053;1425509439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00037212 = 7.2191 BTC [-] {2} 1042054;1425509488;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu appears to get exactly the same spam as my spam-magnet, turd for turd 1042055;1425509527;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im sure it's all the same. but the point being... this works ? 1042056;1425509530;mircea_popescu;why. how. 1042057;1425509535;asciilifeform;cargo cult 1042058;1425509539;asciilifeform;quite likely it never once worked. 1042059;1425509563;asciilifeform;or, to the spamz0r's great misfortune - exactly once. 1042060;1425509576;asciilifeform;resulting in lifetime cargoaddiction 1042061;1425509603;mircea_popescu;heh 1042062;1425509626;mircea_popescu;sadly i don't have credit cards, as i don't subscribe to open liability deals. but i wonder what the original texts say 1042063;1425509630;mircea_popescu;i imagine this must be cribbed off one 1042064;1425509694;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i don't have credit cards << do you deal with credit at all (i.e. loc)? 1042065;1425509704;mircea_popescu;sure. 1042066;1425509731;thestringpuller;random point: do you think bitcoin will ever be ready for credit? 1042067;1425509738;thestringpuller;given people playing banker in 2012 1042068;1425509750;asciilifeform;iirc wot folks have borrowed from one another before 1042069;1425509785;thestringpuller;ah I guess the liquidity loan from F.MPIF -> S.WOL is similar 1042070;1425509797;thestringpuller;but that was interest free loan no? 1042071;1425509807;asciilifeform;(though it is potentially - and thus, in fact is - an infinite-liability deal; how can you guarantee that you will find the coin to repay) 1042072;1425509820;thestringpuller;^- exactly 1042073;1425509822;asciilifeform;and what kind of collateral could possibly suffice for btc 1042074;1425509838;thestringpuller;^- really nothing. definitely not fiat 1042075;1425509840;asciilifeform;(let's say tomorrow's 'day x' and 1 btc > your organs) 1042076;1425509876;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: repay with your life? (not in sense of deadmen don't pay, but contractual servitude) 1042077;1425509878;asciilifeform;so borrowing btc, as shown above, is an uncapped liability 1042078;1425509883;asciilifeform;as is, conversely, lending 1042079;1425509910;asciilifeform;(you lose 1btc because poor schmuck couldn't come up the the ten sets of organs, only one, and you lost most of what you lent him) 1042080;1425509961;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what somebody's worth as a slave is still a finite sum, that isn't especially difficult to come up with (ask the romans) 1042081;1425509963;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: then in that case entire meatspace family is in servitude? wasn't this a thing in history? Can't repay debt so X generation of people are slaves? 1042082;1425509976;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller these things aren't related. bitcoin has been fine for credit for years. idiots aren't or ever will be ready for life. 1042083;1425509990;mircea_popescu;<thestringpuller> but that was interest free loan no? << no. 1042084;1425510006;asciilifeform;^ if above reasoning is flawed, i'd like to learn how 1042085;1425510007;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by having bitcoin revenue, of course. 1042086;1425510032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: problem is that most sources of bitcoin revenue are made of flesh and likely to suffer damage on hypothetical 'day x' 1042087;1425510040;mircea_popescu;this is not true. 1042088;1425510045;asciilifeform;say, you are in the habit of selling $gizmos for btc 1042089;1425510045;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: but what if your revenue stream is no longer a stream but a trickle like man with swollen protrate trying to pee? 1042090;1425510056;mircea_popescu;imaginary sources of bitcoin, pretend "bitcoin businesses" like coinbase or w/e suffer from the problem ytou describe 1042091;1425510067;mircea_popescu;actual bitcoin companies, such as for instance listed on mpex, generally don't have the problem. 1042092;1425510069;asciilifeform;btc heats up, begins to climb, revenue drops.. 1042093;1425510091;mircea_popescu;this widely consensusified notion has no met any sort of practical validation so far. 1042094;1425510095;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mpex, as i understand, consists of ultra-long-haul folks 1042095;1425510103;mircea_popescu;bitbet largest revenue to date is not when btc was 3 bux 1042096;1425510113;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i would say this is true for the zero asset corporations. the non-zero asset corporations seem to be holdling their own, but too early to tell. 1042097;1425510186;mircea_popescu;anywya, it was a point long discussed (among the financial minds) that the nature of btc makes distinction of loans and equity difficult. this was principally centered around the mpoe bonds back when those ran. 1042098;1425510207;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is your explanation essentially that exchange value of btc (in the secular world at large, not speaking of usd in particular) and the btc income of a well-organized business are tightly coupled and the 'rope never breaks' ? 1042099;1425510208;mircea_popescu;buncha threads from 2011/2012 prolly very informative for this topic 1042100;1425510232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00037051 = 2.149 BTC [-] 1042101;1425510238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the explanation is that "exchange value of btc" is a broadly meaningless notion, and only vaguely useful as a temporary crutch. 1042102;1425510259;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as the "exchange value of money". money is the one thing without an exchange value, being the exchange value of all things. 1042103;1425510296;asciilifeform;defined strictly for the purpose of this line of inquiry as 'that which might cause btc sphincters to tighten and less to be spent tomorrow' 1042104;1425510315;mircea_popescu;consider the bank loans you money for a mortgage, and tomorrow houses go for 2 dollars each. 1042105;1425510325;mircea_popescu;this sort of counterfactual is a tad nonsensical. 1042106;1425510341;mircea_popescu;but that aside : the terms of the loan specify the recourse, and that's that. 1042107;1425510345;asciilifeform;'asteroid falls, everyone died' 1042108;1425510373;mircea_popescu;(which is why i won't take a mortgage deal that has recourse past the item bought, nor would any sane businessman. yet usian idiot consumers regularly do, because hey. they've come to expectorate.) 1042109;1425510388;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu is right re: earlier observation that the mega-bubble didn't seem to kill anyone 1042110;1425510446;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik 100% of mortgage deals in usa do 1042111;1425510451;mircea_popescu;nope. 1042112;1425510454;mircea_popescu;only chump ones. 1042113;1425510457;asciilifeform;that is, if you default they take money+house 1042114;1425510473;mircea_popescu;you can write whatever contracts you wish. 1042115;1425510474;asciilifeform;and the money consists of what 'is worth now' according to magic arse rng 1042116;1425510482;mircea_popescu;the trick is to not write that many donations while alive 1042117;1425510503;asciilifeform;there are non-chumpatronic mortgages? 1042118;1425510507;mircea_popescu;of course. 1042119;1425510509;asciilifeform;how does that even work 1042120;1425510520;mircea_popescu;limited recourse, or no recourse deals. 1042121;1425510534;asciilifeform;no recourse ? 1042122;1425510547;mircea_popescu;the former are mortgages proper (if the payer goes bust you get the item and that is all) , the latter are commercial paper (if the payer goes bust you suck it). 1042123;1425510598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15694 @ 0.00037051 = 5.8148 BTC [-] 1042124;1425510603;asciilifeform;how can it work in the latter case, payer stops paying and keeps the goods ? 1042125;1425510617;mircea_popescu;no recourse real estate deals are in the vast majority of the time attempts by some crown or other to hike the land values. 1042126;1425510617;asciilifeform;or - his creditors 1042127;1425510633;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you've said GNAT is bad, you would not have it with a GNU or in a zoo? 1042128;1425510634;mircea_popescu;like, give a million no recourse loan to the nude girlies show to produce itself on your new fairgrounds 1042129;1425510640;thestringpuller;What ada compiler should I learn on? 1042130;1425510642;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: gnat's the only game in town for ada 1042131;1425510649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform payer can't keep going and stop paying. 1042132;1425510658;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: gnat 1042133;1425510670;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: how to get it on your system is a puzzler that you would have to resolve 1042134;1425510678;thestringpuller;nah already done 1042135;1425510724;asciilifeform;(will point out, for the record, that there are other adas, not descended from gnat - but i will never see them so long as i live, and quite likely neither will you) 1042136;1425510739;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1042137;1425510741;thestringpuller;lol gtk-ada 1042138;1425510743;gribble;Current Blocks: 346203 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 548 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47829064524.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.45197 1042139;1425510757;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: for folks who need graphical whatevery 1042140;1425510781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00037755 = 2.6995 BTC [+] 1042141;1425510809;*;thestringpuller imagines asciilifeform reading graphs as their tabular representation and constructing image in mind 1042142;1425510844;thestringpuller;what was that thing you showed us a while back...ratpoison? Some OS 1042143;1425510895;hanbot;hey asciilifeform! i'm putting a gentoo box together for playing eulora, i want it nice and secure, have zilcho gentoo experience. how wouldja advise me? 1042144;1425510912;thestringpuller;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratpoison << ah found it 1042145;1425510928;asciilifeform;hanbot: if it's a reasonably recent gentoo with reasonably recent contents, there is no escape but to read the manual. 1042146;1425510972;asciilifeform;hanbot: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64 << 'installation' << assuming you're on an x86 system 1042147;1425510974;assbot;Handbook:AMD64 - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fbigt9 ) 1042148;1425511033;hanbot;asciilifeform thanks, will dig in. 1042149;1425511524;mike_c;hanbot: if you install gentoo and eulora from scratch it would be cool to have a step-by-step for http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora#Gentoo 1042150;1425511526;assbot;Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3E4Yd ) 1042151;1425511684;hanbot;mike_c noted! 1042152;1425512185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00037755 = 5.399 BTC [+] 1042153;1425512391;gabriel_laddel;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/egggun.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/rit.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/pringle.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/blood.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/fat.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/olestra.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/petit.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/garden.htm 1042154;1425512392;assbot; ASK DR. SCHUND ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HABT ) 1042155;1425512393;assbot; INTELLIGENT DYE SIGN ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HBWm ) 1042156;1425512394;assbot; THE FREE SAMPLE ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HDNY ) 1042157;1425512395;assbot; ASK DR. SCHUND ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HDO4 ) 1042158;1425512396;assbot; THE FAT IS IN THE FIRE ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HCcX ) 1042159;1425512396;assbot; IT'S NOT JUST FOR LUNCH ANY MORE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HDOc ) 1042160;1425512397;assbot;Petitjean's Quantitative Chirality ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HE4D ) 1042161;1425512398;assbot; ASK DR. SCHUND ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HE4L ) 1042162;1425512433;gabriel_laddel;^ All Al articles absent from the homepage. 1042163;1425512446;gabriel_laddel;(that can be found in the first 10 pages of google results) 1042164;1425512487;gabriel_laddel;(that are not preliminary drafts of PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY) 1042165;1425512692;gabriel_laddel;oh, and these: https://www.fictionpress.com/u/427609/Uncle-Al 1042166;1425512694;assbot;Uncle Al | FictionPress ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbnmFM ) 1042167;1425513282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9629 @ 0.00037111 = 3.5734 BTC [-] 1042168;1425513843;mircea_popescu;ding 1042169;1425513857;mircea_popescu;ha! 1042170;1425514459;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041299 o.O 1042171;1425514459;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 11:11:30; fluffypony: "I think FriedCat is not a real name. Does anyone know about FriedCat's real identity ?" 1042172;1425514501;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041297 sad that it had to turn into http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ 1042173;1425514501;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 11:11:21; fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974058.msg10633083#msg10633083 1042174;1425514501;assbot;The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ9zHy ) 1042175;1425514550;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041314 << nice c man! 1042176;1425514550;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 12:30:34; cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/leaked-emails-detail-inner-workings-of-josh-garzas-scams/ 1042177;1425514569;mircea_popescu;"Garza deliberately mislead" << misled. 1042178;1425514698;cazalla;mircea_popescu, fixed 1042179;1425514719;mircea_popescu;so nice to see qntra redo the bitbet history with this gaw scam 1042180;1425514733;mircea_popescu;back in 2012 all the rage were "bfl miners" 1042181;1425514873;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041360 << lawl! 1042182;1425514873;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 13:57:22; mod6: i've never seen this before. 1042183;1425514907;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041381 << sounds legit. 1042184;1425514907;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 14:04:18; jurov: so i propose to go on to 0.5.3.2 .. release early, release often 1042185;1425515029;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041397 <<< these homos... 1042186;1425515029;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 14:19:27; jurov: i am just not placing any expectations to any piece of software anymore 1042187;1425515104;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041403 << i guess i lose for being vague! 1042188;1425515104;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 14:26:17; Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041323 < thanks for the tip, I’ll set up a euro bank account when I’m in france this summer 1042189;1425515165;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: you lose due to recency bias! I’ll extend the thanks to you regardless haha 1042190;1425515178;mircea_popescu;lol 1042191;1425515386;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041414 << here's the long story : traditionally, "int" means a word, and word means a register size, which is machine dependent (was 8 bit, then 16, then 32 and now is 64). because historically the register was inconvenient for human use, the notion of "long int" was born, as a dword (two words) or qword (four). because historically the register was inconvenient for memor 1042192;1425515386;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 14:34:51; PeterL: why in c is a long int the same size as int? 1042193;1425515386;mircea_popescu;y usage, the notion of short int was created, sometimes as small as a byte (8 bits). 1042194;1425515409;mircea_popescu;both of these are becoming obsolete as ram is cheap and 64 bits plentiful. so in the future, int will just mean "integer number" and that's that, 1042195;1425515837;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041474 hehehehehe 1042196;1425515837;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 18:24:10; sjsqd: do you know if anyone from the previous foundation is aware of it? 1042197;1425515862;mircea_popescu;yeah, inasmuch as gavin tiptoes around my lunch hour, i would propose they're painfully aware of it, yes. 1042198;1425515936;mircea_popescu;dude it's so great to come to logs after a nice meal and find all sorts of gems like these. 1042199;1425515952;mircea_popescu;i vote #b-a best afternoon show in town. 1042200;1425516059;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041509 << ironically enough, the client the OTHERS work on is different from bitcoin core. 1042201;1425516059;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 18:29:13; sjsqd: but I assume the client you work on is different to bitcoin core? 1042202;1425516759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.042 = 1.68 BTC [+] {3} 1042203;1425516826;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/socialism-saved-for-later-lolz/ 1042204;1425516881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 166 @ 0.012 = 1.992 BTC [+] 1042205;1425517203;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1042206;1425517208;gribble;Current Blocks: 346213 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 538 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 13 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47691297024.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.15687 1042207;1425517273;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041515 << technically foundation wasn't born yet. so no, it's better custodianship of the bitcoin codebase than the fake foundation has been displaying. 1042208;1425517273;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 18:29:42; asciilifeform: sjsqd: starting point was phoundation's release circa 2012 1042209;1425517309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 202 @ 0.012 = 2.424 BTC [+] {2} 1042210;1425517378;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041549 << omfg the insanities 1042211;1425517378;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 18:38:01; sjsqd: you basically earn based upon your proportion of page views 1042212;1425517529;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041571 << https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3 1042213;1425517529;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 18:41:39; sjsqd: even with hundreds of thousands of page views I only ever made about 70 USD over 2-3 years 1042214;1425517531;assbot;Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWOPLI ) 1042215;1425517613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00037681 = 4.258 BTC [+] 1042216;1425517908;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what is that trilema address? 1042217;1425517935;mircea_popescu;yea 1042218;1425518340;BingoBoingo;!up ryan-c 1042219;1425518925;ben_vulpes;ryan-c: do i know you? 1042220;1425518963;ryan-c;ben_vulpes: I don't think so. I'm not Ryan X Charles. 1042221;1425519008;BingoBoingo;That's always good to hear. The world needs less javascript. 1042222;1425519015;ryan-c;lol 1042223;1425519029;ben_vulpes;nah, another ryan c. 1042224;1425519035;ryan-c;when all you have is a hammer... 1042225;1425519061;ryan-c;ben_vulpes: https://keybase.io/ryanc is me 1042226;1425519063;assbot;Ryan Castellucci (ryanc) | Keybase ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWTBcg ) 1042227;1425519063;BingoBoingo;You just end up poorly reimplementing Common Lisp or Ada 1042228;1425519065;mircea_popescu;how many ryan-c are there ? :D 1042229;1425519147;ryan-c;mircea_popescu: probably at least 50,000 in the US 1042230;1425519155;mircea_popescu;thinking about it... yeah. 1042231;1425519159;BingoBoingo;ryan-c: You know keyservers exist in a much more user friendly form than that abomination make by the okcupid people 1042232;1425519210;ryan-c;BingoBoingo: My gpg keys are in pgp.mit.edu and sks-keyservers as well. 1042233;1425519218;BingoBoingo;Ah 1042234;1425519466;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i curious about the no-recourse mortgages as well. lender returns payment stream, keeps asset? 1042235;1425519532;mircea_popescu;lender returns nothing at all. 1042236;1425519601;ben_vulpes;so borrower defaults, lender gets house and payments. 1042237;1425519616;ben_vulpes;oop! limited recourse i mean. 1042238;1425519640;mircea_popescu;let's work a model. suppose i own 85`000 square footage of marble flooring, used for running a harem. suppose i come to the conclusion my harem doesn't attract good / numerous enough cuntage. suppose i decide this is because there's no belly dancing happening. suppose i go to a belly dancer in city and say, listen, i'll loan you 10k golden pistoons if you start a belly dancing school on my marlbe acreage. 1042239;1425519663;mircea_popescu;this is the sort of thing. the professional has no interest in leaving their current place just because i want to relocate them, and the situation isn't feudal, where i just order them moved. 1042240;1425519674;mircea_popescu;now, if the school goes well and makes money im getting my pistoons back. 1042241;1425519686;mircea_popescu;if not, fuck me and my stupid "palace" with no running water up on a mountain in the desert. 1042242;1425519697;mircea_popescu;belly dancer expert walks and i'm more than welcome to repay myself. 1042243;1425519748;ben_vulpes;i think i get it. 1042244;1425519809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00038032 = 4.9822 BTC [+] {2} 1042245;1425519855;mircea_popescu;the idea being that contracts (of the old sort) are flexible and useful, just as long as the chumps grok that there is no such thing as "a standard contract". 1042246;1425520049;mircea_popescu;and as to limited recourse, it can be limited whatever way. generally it is, "lend me this money to buy this house, i pay you so and so, and if i don't you keep the house." 1042247;1425520093;mircea_popescu;which is the very definition of mortgage (a topic of not little historical interest, because it's one of the rare cases where we can observe biological evolution at work in what's supposed to be fleshless abstractions) 1042248;1425520128;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of similarity between how prokaryotes ended up with mitochondria and how commerce ended up with the mortgage. 1042249;1425520205;BingoBoingo;!up ryan-c 1042250;1425520590;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1042251;1425521238;felipelalli;good night BingoBoingo! 1042252;1425521245;BingoBoingo;later 1042253;1425521273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.04499913 = 2.07 BTC [+] {2} 1042254;1425521656;mike_c;the first trade after that debacle is a buy? 1042255;1425522251;mircea_popescu;!up dragosb 1042256;1425522290;felipelalli;About coinbr.com, what happens if my account stay negative "forever"? I will be in debt or it shall be forgiven? 1042257;1425522367;dragosb; Hello Mircea ! I read a article on your blog about How to be a good poker player, and I was pondering do you play on-line or live? 1042258;1425522374;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/aspiring-bitcoin-journalist-arrested-for-recruiting-for-isis/ 1042259;1425522407;mircea_popescu;dragosb i play very little these days. i mostly played live, and mostly pre-consumer internet. 1042260;1425522456;mircea_popescu;incidentally, on that score : as mike_c correctly pointed out a week or so ago, headsup is actually a broken game now, courtesy of teh damned computers. 1042261;1425522581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: long story : traditionally, "int" means a word... << obtain, from purely historical interest, if you don't already own it, k&r 1st ed. good tour of the weirdo word (and byte!) sizes on the archs of the day. predecessor 'B' was 'typeless' (all things are machine-word width) and this was not uncommon then 1042262;1425522607;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1042263;1425522617;mircea_popescu;kinda how a mpcomputer would work , for that matter. 1042264;1425522620;mircea_popescu;wtf type bs. 1042265;1425522632;mircea_popescu;just say how many lengths of chord you want to hang yourself with. 1042266;1425522652;*;asciilifeform goes further than mircea_popescu, dispenses with 'machine word' concept. want bits, say how many. 1042267;1425522658;asciilifeform;we know how to build serial ALUs. 1042268;1425522670;mircea_popescu;heh 1042269;1425522679;mircea_popescu;yeah. that's further than i'd go. 1042270;1425522713;mircea_popescu;(nttawwi) 1042271;1425522738;[]bot;Bet placed: 5.03285372 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 66.0688022 BTC. Current weight: 73,586. 1042272;1425522799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5480 @ 0.00038199 = 2.0933 BTC [+] {2} 1042273;1425522867;asciilifeform;http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/chist.html << for classicists/aficionados only 1042274;1425522868;assbot;Chistory ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlJcub ) 1042275;1425522922;mircea_popescu;o hey dmr 1042276;1425522938;asciilifeform;of course, who else 1042277;1425522978;*;asciilifeform isn't yet aware of any secondary/tertiary derpologists having suckerfished on to this subject - but who knows 1042278;1425523093;asciilifeform;http://www.e-reading.link/bookreader.php/138815/Expert_C_Programming:_Deep_C_Secrets.pdf << l33t w4r3z. have this in dead tree, it's one of the most riotously entertaining books on any kind of programming whatsoever, imho 1042279;1425523098;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlJDV8 ) 1042280;1425523098;thestringpuller;RIP dmr, mah nigga. 1042281;1425523120;asciilifeform;i heartily recomment 'deep c' even to folks who despise c and hardly program at all in anything 1042282;1425523144;thestringpuller;ada isn't so bad. dunno why people are complaining... 1042283;1425523217;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: folks are used to their sawed-off shotguns, balk at slightly heavier, longer 'thompson' 1042284;1425523220;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: You only say that becasue you are going through practice where Ruby forces still more bondage and discipline upon you 1042285;1425523242;*;BingoBoingo kinda wants Mosin, has never lost to itself 1042286;1425523267;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: phun phact: to ru folks, 'sawed-off' - 'обрез' - means precisely a cut-off mosin 1042287;1425523275;asciilifeform;rather than shotgun 1042288;1425523281;BingoBoingo;lol 1042289;1425523308;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.nakop.ru/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=160390 << it 1042290;1425523309;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlK1TK ) 1042291;1425523333;BingoBoingo;Mosin also at $150/piece also solves http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ for body/vehicle armor 1042292;1425523334;assbot;Strategy for the antisocial struggle. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlK5Tn ) 1042293;1425523366;asciilifeform;http://www.admemo.ru/arms-mosin-rifle/mosin-obrez.jpg << also it 1042294;1425523367;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlKbdI ) 1042295;1425523371;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What of the wrist of who fires that 1042296;1425523404;asciilifeform;what of the ears 1042297;1425523443;BingoBoingo;Ears are guarenteed to fail on a long enough timeline, visit nursing home if you have pretenses otherwise. 1042298;1425523457;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: incidentally, mosin is for some reason extremely common in usa 1042299;1425523460;asciilifeform;like, 100 usd 1042300;1425523472;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Isn't it beautiful? 1042301;1425523475;asciilifeform;comes, iirc, in a gigantic block of 'cosmoline' but otherwise virginal 1042302;1425523488;asciilifeform;complete with trihedral bayonet 1042303;1425523489;BingoBoingo;The best deer rifle in history is the cheapest. 1042304;1425523508;asciilifeform;you'll be using ancient ru corrosive primers though. 1042305;1425523510;asciilifeform;and no chrome 1042306;1425523528;asciilifeform;hope you like scrubbing 1042307;1425523558;BingoBoingo;Bolt action so cleaning... More popular "deer" rifle is sks, still corrosive primers, much less range, still moar cleaning 1042308;1425523585;asciilifeform;'sks' iirc takes modern (7,62x39) rounds 1042309;1425523597;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not so sure it does, no. 1042310;1425523603;mircea_popescu;i doubt mosin pierces kevlar. 1042311;1425523631;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes sks, you also get diminished charge behind bullet for no less cleaning 1042312;1425523651;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: full-sized rifle cartridge, one of the 'hottest' still made (7,62x54r) 1042313;1425523658;mircea_popescu;even so. 1042314;1425523658;asciilifeform;(mosin, that is) 1042315;1425523662;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Equivalent to US .30-06 caliber. Beats any man wearable armour 1042316;1425523669;mircea_popescu;is it ? 1042317;1425523672;BingoBoingo;yes 1042318;1425523675;asciilifeform;bad formulation 1042319;1425523676;*;mircea_popescu defers. 1042320;1425523680;asciilifeform;all depends on range, angle of impact 1042321;1425523685;asciilifeform;basics here 1042322;1425523695;mircea_popescu;in any case im notsure you'd want a plain bolt action for that purpose. 1042323;1425523718;mircea_popescu;more like a "tough as nails, swiss made SKS". like the mac10 maybe. 1042324;1425523723;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, not for the whole club, but if you have people designated to hit marks at a distance... 1042325;1425523736;mircea_popescu;...then they' dwant a modern sniper rifle. 1042326;1425523755;*;mircea_popescu has never actually seen a mosin used in practice. ever. anywhere. 1042327;1425523775;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Mac10's caliber is recognized now as sub pistol, .380 ACP isn't beating a single sheet of kevlar 1042328;1425523781;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: largely a third-world (afghanistan, africa) item currently, afaik 1042329;1425523806;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's all in the filling. they make dup double strength cartridges now. 1042330;1425523810;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: moder sniper rifle has bullets of similar power to mosin, simply smaller case 1042331;1425523825;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nah, much better barrel. accuracy is a thing. 1042332;1425523858;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure, but at the point barrels make a difference operator makes a far greater difference 1042333;1425523887;mircea_popescu;by the time you're shooting policemen you're not going to save on the rifle. those suckers cost thje enemy like 1.5-3 mn a pop. 1042334;1425523892;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a beautiful treatise, 'art of the sniper' ('иÑкуÑÑтво Ñнайпера') - ru of course - highly recommended if aficionado or even mild interest in the history. describes precisely what modern designers changed 1042335;1425523902;asciilifeform;(by one potapov) 1042336;1425523924;mircea_popescu;you know i suspect potapov is like the ru mil pythagoras. 1042337;1425523930;mircea_popescu;everything seems to be written by one potapov 1042338;1425523946;asciilifeform;yer thinking bourbaki mebbe 1042339;1425523948;BingoBoingo;USia claimed its own for a bt in the Hathcock guy 1042340;1425523953;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same idea. 1042341;1425523956;asciilifeform;aha 1042342;1425523997;BingoBoingo;Hathcock's narrative though included using light machine guns as bolt action rifle because US lacked adequate sniper rifle for 'Nam 1042343;1425524016;asciilifeform;americans took the whole 'golden sniper toilet' thing almost to logical conclusion, with microprocessorized wind&elevation calculators, bullets turned on lathes (!), etc 1042344;1425524059;asciilifeform;ru school of thought took, unsurprisingly, opposite tack 1042345;1425524093;asciilifeform;(simple weapons, but highly skilled professionals) 1042346;1425524147;*;asciilifeform is an armchair general and recommends that aficionados seek out the primary sources. 1042347;1425524165;BingoBoingo;USia's hotness this past decade has been taking M-14's and converting to "designated marksmen rifles" 1042348;1425524201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00038309 = 3.4287 BTC [+] 1042349;1425524201;BingoBoingo;M-14's original service life of course having been... lacking 1042350;1425524208;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: correct if i've my dod-speak mixed up, but 'designated marksman' is not a sniper - he engages only within visual contact distance 1042351;1425524222;asciilifeform;(naked eye) 1042352;1425524257;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes. His range extends to visual past what assualt rifle can not reliably hit fatally, but still visual 1042353;1425524259;asciilifeform;the term, iirc, refers to the one man in a platoon who was actually taught any marksmanship and is expected to aim 1042354;1425524275;asciilifeform;the rest 'hosedown' 1042355;1425524276;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Russian equivalent for role is Dragunov 1042356;1425524287;BingoBoingo;tool, not person 1042357;1425524305;asciilifeform;by some accounts, ^ has a barrel resource of 800 (!) rounds 1042358;1425524352;asciilifeform;enlarged ak-like thing that takes mosin rounds 1042359;1425524356;BingoBoingo;Basic requirements for such tool are full power rifle round and semi auto action 1042360;1425524395;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_Sniper_Rifle 1042361;1425524397;assbot;Dragunov sniper rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlMcXo ) 1042362;1425524473;BingoBoingo;In contemporary USian deployments designated marksmen carries M-14 with a plastic stock and has specialization like the machine gunner 1042363;1425524758;BingoBoingo;Mosin's great virtue for USian civilian is that it costs roughly 1/10th anything equivalent from domestic manufacterer 1042364;1425524823;asciilifeform;does any u.s. arms co. even offer anything without plastic, aluminum, or worse ? 1042365;1425524831;asciilifeform;as in, anywhere in the thing 1042366;1425524861;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure for 4 digit numer of USD 1042367;1425524870;asciilifeform;probably 5 1042368;1425524885;asciilifeform;(iirc all the m-whatever things are Al but for the barrel) 1042369;1425524889;BingoBoingo;Nah, 5 exists, 4 though is the sweet spot. 1042370;1425525130;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with al. 1042371;1425525137;mircea_popescu;properly alloyed it does beat steel. 1042372;1425525149;asciilifeform;iirc we had the 'can you club with it' thread 1042373;1425525294;BingoBoingo;;;google M1A 1042374;1425525294;gribble;M1Aâ„¢ Tactical Rifle | Top Semi Automatic Firearms | Buy M1A: ; M1A rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; M1A for Sale - Buy Springfield M1A Rifle Online at GunBroker.com: 1042375;1425525307;BingoBoingo;^ civilian version of M-14 conversion 1042376;1425525421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 400 @ 0.0045519 = 1.8208 BTC [+] {2} 1042377;1425525428;*;asciilifeform struggles to recall the traditional term for the kind of technowankery where folks buy 'pro' tools without any place to use or relevant skill 1042378;1425525451;asciilifeform;'prosumer' ? 1042379;1425525467;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes. For me it was called "Freshman Year" 1042380;1425525483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00038309 = 5.5357 BTC [+] 1042381;1425525650;asciilifeform;'According to neighbors and a man who hired the teen to write for his Web site, the Osbourn Park student was quiet in person but exceptionally intelligent — authoring articles on complicated science and technology topics.' (wa. p.) << mega-l0l 1042382;1425525660;asciilifeform;if this is 'intelligent', what's retardation look like ? 1042383;1425525710;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/scott-fargo/ << Actual retardation from a subhuman creature that pretends to the title of mammal 1042384;1425525710;assbot;Scott Fargo, Author at CryptoCoinsNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlOJAF ) 1042385;1425525728;asciilifeform;http://time.com/3732867/etsy-files-for-handcrafted-ipo << another l0l 1042386;1425525730;assbot;Etsy Files for Handcrafted IPO - TIME ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlOLIV ) 1042387;1425525734;asciilifeform;handcrafted! (tm) 1042388;1425525749;asciilifeform;'A few years ago, Etsy lifted some of its stricter sales requirements, including a ban on sellers using certain manufacturing techniques and hiring staff...' 1042389;1425525757;asciilifeform;woodcollector! 1042390;1425525761;decimation;re: no recourse mortgages < banks hate these, but you can get them 1042391;1425525777;decimation;one semi-popular scam to run in the us is to buy a house with your "IRA" 1042392;1425525781;asciilifeform;decimation: presumably for considerably higher upfront cost 1042393;1425525785;decimation;aye 1042394;1425525786;asciilifeform;or who the hell would get the other kind 1042395;1425525807;decimation;well, functionally in the us nearly all mortgages are 30 year fixed loans 1042396;1425525815;decimation;who nobody purchases except for usg 1042397;1425525851;decimation;it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly 1042398;1425525877;BingoBoingo;If fiat world could have played nicely, I'd happily be retired in a condo in an "interesting" neighborhood by now, but... 1042399;1425525882;decimation;at any rate, you can purchase a house with your retirement account, and a no-recourse mortgage is used for that 1042400;1425525901;decimation;the irs says you can't live in it until you retire, but you can rent it out 1042401;1425525927;BingoBoingo;!up jitenm 1042402;1425525938;decimation;there's a small cottage industry > http://www.iralending.com/ 1042403;1425525939;assbot;Self Directed IRA Non-Recourse Loans: Contact NASB Today! ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlP4Ua ) 1042404;1425525940;BingoBoingo;Hello jitenm 1042405;1425525952;jitenm;howdy folkses 1042406;1425525958;BingoBoingo;Not bad 1042407;1425526215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 250 @ 0.00463785 = 1.1595 BTC [-] {2} 1042408;1425526277;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/573324531525287937 1042409;1425526278;assbot;/Radomysisky /3DPConfidential The guy likened you to a rapist simply because you speak with passion on the topic of politics and technology. 1042410;1425526412;mircea_popescu;!up Liberza 1042411;1425526424;Liberza;!down syndrome 1042412;1425526443;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: who is 3DPConfidential ? 1042413;1425526457;asciilifeform;and who is Radomysisky 1042414;1425526507;mircea_popescu; it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly <<< quite. 1042415;1425526520;mircea_popescu;!up HubertCumberdale 1042416;1425526564;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I have no Idea 1042417;1425526572;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1042418;1425526572;mircea_popescu;isn't cody wilson the guy with that blog, what was it called 1042419;1425526577;mircea_popescu;;;google site:trilema.com cody wilson 1042420;1425526577;gribble;No matches found. 1042421;1425526580;mircea_popescu;hm. 1042422;1425526589;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: '3d printed gun' fella 1042423;1425526598;mircea_popescu;oh oh 1042424;1425526609;asciilifeform;who the others are - no idea 1042425;1425526614;BingoBoingo;;;google site:qntra.net cody wilson 1042426;1425526615;gribble;Cody Wilson: "The Bitcoin Community Has Sold Out" | Qntra.net: ; Stripe Breaks Up With Cody Wilson | Qntra.net: ; Cody R Wilson Announces Candidacy for Vessenes' Bitcoin ...: (who has du in his cellar? anyone with a boat or airplane graveyard) << Anyone in Iowa has too much 1042502;1425527713;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would need a sabot 1042503;1425527716;asciilifeform;then will work. 1042504;1425527860;asciilifeform;bonus points for the bullet exercise if you can dispense with the 'mold' entirely and form the conical part purely with field gradient in the bath 1042505;1425527867;asciilifeform;out of ordinary rod stock 1042506;1425527896;asciilifeform;sorta a 'solid state electric lathe.' 1042507;1425527942;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform got a link to where you go "omg wtf bbq am i the only one trying to run these shitstacks" 1042508;1425527947;mircea_popescu;in teh logs 1042509;1425527968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-03-2015#1040458 1042510;1425527968;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 04:11:00; assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it 1042511;1425527978;asciilifeform;^ most recently 1042512;1425527995;mircea_popescu;ty 1042513;1425528010;mircea_popescu;i'm making a sjsqd megapiece, it's great that convo. 1042514;1425528014;asciilifeform;to round off the electrobullet thread, i made this gedankenexperiment up for this just to show what folks like wilson -would- be doing if they were serious 1042515;1425528029;asciilifeform;because much simpler even than what they do 1042516;1425528036;asciilifeform;no need for computer, even. 1042517;1425528072;asciilifeform;'3d printer', for those unfamiliar, is a very costly item. i don't even keep one here, can't justify 1042518;1425528093;decimation;re: wilson < it strikes me that he's just trying to get publicity 1042519;1425528109;asciilifeform;the ultimate publicity is when your shit - works 1042520;1425528113;decimation;he recently posted that fedex banned shipping his 3d milling machines 1042521;1425528124;decimation;obviously, he's selling them as 'death in a box' 1042522;1425528131;decimation;instead of '3d milling machine' 1042523;1425528133;asciilifeform;fedex is, afaik, free to boycott whoever 1042524;1425528139;asciilifeform;it isn't the national post 1042525;1425528148;decimation;sure. and whoever is free to make a press release about it 1042526;1425528189;decimation;so I don't think he's serious. although the idea of milling your own 'm-4gery' out of an '80%' receiver is a neat one 1042527;1425528203;asciilifeform;decimation: it's sop among u.s. small arms aficionados 1042528;1425528243;asciilifeform;decimation: they have this ancient law, where that one part is the only thing that 'counts' as a limited item, and the rest of the weapon can be bought with cash in a shop or even outdoor market 1042529;1425528265;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, you can even buy the parts to turn your milled receiver into a pistol http://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/pistols.asp 1042530;1425528266;assbot;Bushmaster - Carbon 15 Pistols ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTqBEF ) 1042531;1425528268;decimation;as fucktarded as that is 1042532;1425528277;asciilifeform;see the 'saw-off' mosin earlier in thread 1042533;1425528280;asciilifeform;poor ears 1042534;1425528320;decimation;asciilifeform: one thing that bewilders me is why suppressors and subsonic ammo is not popular in the us 1042535;1425528340;decimation;I guess going deaf at the range is an implied rite of manhood 1042536;1425528347;asciilifeform;decimation: this might have to do with the fact that much of what u.s. folks take to the shooting galleries seems to exist for little purpose but to make an impressive 'bang' 1042537;1425528369;asciilifeform;so the suppressors (sop in eu) were banned as something only a 'shady crook' would use 1042538;1425528404;decimation;you can buy them in the us, if they are legal in your state and you submit many forms to usg 1042539;1425528410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00037791 = 2.1163 BTC [-] 1042540;1425528450;asciilifeform;iirc they're limited to public servants or folks willing to license themselves as 'museums' (complete with fingerprinting, letters of recommendation from mayor, surprise inspections, ... etc) 1042541;1425528471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.05173809 = 2.173 BTC [+] {3} 1042542;1425528473;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I'm not sure what you agree to when you buy one but you definitely need a note from stalin 1042543;1425528532;decimation;I suspect the real reason that usg makes it difficult is because a suppressed small arm has real utility against usg 1042544;1425528554;asciilifeform;how? 1042545;1425528687;mircea_popescu;rather than franceg, say ? 1042546;1425528804;decimation;asciilifeform: the relatively silent firearm can be used to ambush and retreat? 1042547;1425528836;decimation;mircea_popescu: didn't you make the point about how the guns we are allowed to keep are of little threat to usg anyway? 1042548;1425528837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00037638 = 1.9948 BTC [-] {2} 1042549;1425528863;mircea_popescu;decimation ambush like whom ? 1042550;1425529071;decimation;well, I'm thinking of a more military scenario 1042551;1425529118;*;asciilifeform is an armchair general only, but doesn't see the military advantage of usg against subjects as consisting solely or even largely of superior small arms. what, rebel army won't break the law against modifying trigger of semi weapons to auto? rather, advantage of usg is same as in the time of hammurabi - soldiers are fed by the palace so they needn't 'waste' time on honest work; are resupplied so they needn't look for what 1042552;1425529196;decimation;asciilifeform: it's not even clear that having full auto ar-15's would be much of an advantage at all 1042553;1425529239;asciilifeform;or whatever $machine 1042554;1425529251;decimation;asciilifeform: but I agree with your point. ultimately any resistance to usg is going to be economic 1042555;1425529255;asciilifeform;picture if usg tomorrow said 'we don't care, go buy a cannon if you want, like it's 1780 again' 1042556;1425529261;asciilifeform;how many will buy? 1042557;1425529276;asciilifeform;usg still controls, de-facto, the factory, and can thus set price 1042558;1425529292;decimation;particularly, as you have pointed out, the ammo factory 1042559;1425529297;asciilifeform;by the time you have a desire to buy the cannon instead of 'toyota' - it's generally too late 1042560;1425529466;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2014#934786 << relevant thread 1042561;1425529466;assbot;Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it. 1042562;1425529575;decimation;asciilifeform: pounding a wedge between usg and its ability print bezzlars is the proper route of resistance 1042563;1425529589;decimation;that, and finding a way to mill bullets at home :) 1042564;1425529996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 254 @ 0.00461378 = 1.1719 BTC [+] {5} 1042565;1425530057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 500 @ 0.00521471 = 2.6074 BTC [+] {4} 1042566;1425530483;decimation;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102477304 < "When it comes to price growth, however, New York topped the list for prime property worldwide, according to Knight Frank. Prices jumped 18 percent in New York in 2014. Aspen, Colorado, ranked second, with prices up 16 percent." 1042567;1425530484;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EhG2qo ) 1042568;1425530518;decimation;and the fed is worried about how inflation is too low 1042569;1425530612;mircea_popescu;decimation i had made that point, yes, but the counterpositive is not necessarily true. 1042570;1425530670;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the price thing is amusingly at work in all sorts of ATF stuff. 1042571;1425530686;mircea_popescu;tons of things "legal if you have a license we aren't issuing because we're at liberty to do this." 1042572;1425530741;decimation;some rich 'collectors' in the us obtain the proper notes to get fully automatic machine guns 1042573;1425530789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 312 @ 0.00463785 = 1.447 BTC [-] {2} 1042574;1425530792;decimation;50 cal rounds go for like $5 1042575;1425530812;decimation;as you can imagine, only the rich can have such a hobby 1042576;1425530818;mircea_popescu;well, it's not rich per se. 1042577;1425530824;mircea_popescu;only dependants. 1042578;1425530865;mircea_popescu;the buffett-rich, the people who are not merely willing to go on the record stating "i am representative of richness, i couldn't exist outside of usg, therefore usg is EVERYTHING", but actually believe it. 1042579;1425530884;mircea_popescu;lemme dig up relevant quote. 1042580;1425530943;decimation;didn't Carnegie, Rockefeller, et. al. bail out us banks from their personal accounts? 1042581;1425531020;mircea_popescu;"accounts' 1042582;1425531040;mircea_popescu;the j p morgan bailout was essentially a "everyone come to my house!" and then "you will do like so because i say so" 1042583;1425531049;decimation;yeah exactly 1042584;1425531064;decimation;and crassus was said to have wealth equal to the treasury 1042585;1425531070;decimation;now that's 'rich' 1042586;1425531079;mircea_popescu;uh, treasury was never that rich. 1042587;1425531135;asciilifeform;a case like these is simply historians misidentifying who is actually the fella wearing the crown 1042588;1425531137;mircea_popescu;to properly grok how rich the triumvir was : he could afford to pay for ~18 million usians to go fight for tikrit. 1042589;1425531145;asciilifeform;(whether by malfeasance or otherwise) 1042590;1425531165;mircea_popescu;the cost for the 20 measly thousand the dod scrounged together (and who faced exactly the fate of crassus' host) was > 1bn 1042591;1425531198;mircea_popescu;know many dudes with 1trn in loose change knocking around ? 1042592;1425531219;decimation;yeah exactly 1042593;1425531224;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he was one of the three, nothing is misidentified is it. 1042594;1425531239;decimation;I assume he meant jp morgan 1042595;1425531242;asciilifeform;thiking more of ^ 1042596;1425531250;asciilifeform;*thinking 1042597;1425531257;mircea_popescu;oh. well, no. he wore the banking crown, nobody disputed that, and for good reason. 1042598;1425531266;mircea_popescu;but division of labour eh ? 1042599;1425531331;decimation;well, morgan and his other monopoly friends thought they could 'endow' their bailout wealth to usg via the federal reserve 1042600;1425531335;mircea_popescu;a crown in the traditional sense is a very primitive instrument, because it purports (necessarily, but ineffectually) to hold ALL sovereignty. now the poor bearer's stuck deciding how fires are to be put out, how wives are to be kept, etc. 1042601;1425531335;decimation;that didn't work out very well 1042602;1425531352;mircea_popescu;decimation this is entirely counterfactual nonsense that never happened. 1042603;1425531371;mircea_popescu;an' generally, i'd be wary of trusting the current retards' retelling of century old banking history. 1042604;1425531389;mircea_popescu;for one thing, they're too stupid to understand it, for another they don't speak the language, for the third they imagine they have political judgements to make. 1042605;1425531449;decimation;did morgan et al not meet on jekyll island to institute the fed? 1042606;1425531466;mircea_popescu;anyway, i dunno where that wb quote is, somewhere in his 70s brk letters. all poetic about how great paying taxes is because hey, being rich's unfair. 1042607;1425531517;mircea_popescu;decimation afaik he wasn't there. 1042608;1425531526;mircea_popescu;he died iether before or soon after, and had for a while retired. 1042609;1425531694;*;asciilifeform has buffett 'symlinked' mentally with armand hammer. and wonders if there is any logical reason for this 1042610;1425531694;decimation;nevertheless, I take your point that the study of this history is worthwhile 1042611;1425531699;BingoBoingo;decimation: Crassus was the Fire department 1042612;1425531717;mircea_popescu;decimation in particular, the us fed was an attempt to copy germany, at the time extremely effectual. 1042613;1425531725;decimation;although I don't know how one could find a history that isn't wrapped in progressive bullshit 1042614;1425531749;mircea_popescu;it's easy to recast today as some sort of nefariousness, but if regarded properly rather than anchronistically it's just exactly the same as imperial russians trying to copy prussia. 1042615;1425531764;mircea_popescu;at the time, in fact, the us and russia had a shitload in common : inept peripheral immense landmasses. 1042616;1425531781;mircea_popescu;pretty much the same problems, the same solutions, the same obsession of women with french and men with german shit and so on. 1042617;1425531829;mircea_popescu;nobody has made a "Russia and the US in the 1800s : A Tale Of Twin Sisters" monograph to date 1042618;1425531839;asciilifeform;aaactually 1042619;1425531866;mircea_popescu;this merely speaks to the poor quality of english "historians". where's the new york gibbon ? 1042620;1425531884;asciilifeform;plenty of (otherwise uninteresting, believe) sov. tracts re: analogy b/w us slavery & ru serf-keeping 1042621;1425531893;asciilifeform;and the decline of each 1042622;1425531898;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform russian side is a little better represented, but not much. 1042623;1425531922;decimation;the historians who would be worth a shit are probably busy trying to keep their house and eat 1042624;1425531929;mircea_popescu;so did gibbon. 1042625;1425531933;mircea_popescu;he ALSO did the rise and fall. 1042626;1425531940;*;BingoBoingo maybe surprisingly would still be willing to carry a rifle to tikrit in USia's name. Just since USia didn't accept my flirtations last time if they take me this time I want to pick the rifle. 1042627;1425531956;mircea_popescu;life's what happens while people had other plans, an' posteriority remembers what you did BESIDES paying the bills. 1042628;1425531978;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: last i checked usg will enlist just about anyone under fifty or so 1042629;1425531986;BingoBoingo;Sand niggers are still a species of nigger 1042630;1425532021;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They spotted me the last time with a specific mental defect they refuse to abide 1042631;1425532094;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: tried the private sector ? 1042632;1425532099;mircea_popescu;^ 1042633;1425532101;asciilifeform;(i.e. the twenty thousand) 1042634;1425532110;mircea_popescu;you can probably make decent loot with the various brackwaters. 1042635;1425532125;asciilifeform;though last i heard they're pretty well staffed and get picky 1042636;1425532137;asciilifeform;(preferring folks schooled in the normal army for a tour or three) 1042637;1425532143;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The fucking local mall turned me down last X-mas season. Not any specific vendor, but all of them. 1042638;1425532179;BingoBoingo;I've a cousin who did some bracjwasser stuff 1042639;1425532204;mircea_popescu;!t m s.qntr 1042640;1425532204;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027314 / 0.000301 (17082 shares, 4.67 BTC), 30D: 0.00021897 / 0.0002619 / 0.000301 (62444 shares, 16.35 BTC) 1042641;1425532207;BingoBoingo;Was bored, but at least he wasn't on a boat which was his greatest fear as a marine 1042642;1425532238;mircea_popescu;!t m s.mpoe 1042643;1425532238;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00035809 / 0.00038073 / 0.00040007 (2565886 shares, 976.92 BTC), 7D: 0.00033798 / 0.00039508 / 0.00044462 (26732598 shares, 10,561.55 BTC), 30D: 0.00033798 / 0.00040005 / 0.00048515 (88726595 shares, 35,495.37 BTC) 1042644;1425532301;mircea_popescu;howly shit this is actually possibru o.O 1042645;1425532383;mircea_popescu;god dangit. 1042646;1425532390;decimation;;;ticker 1042647;1425532391;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.49, Best ask: 271.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 271.59, 24 hour volume: 67948.14967978, 24 hour low: 267.0, 24 hour high: 285.99, 24 hour vwap: None 1042648;1425532408;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: qntra shares face scarcity necessarily 1042649;1425532430;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah but still. 1042650;1425532463;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Over time total new s.qntr per month is on a downward trend becasuse refinement 1042651;1425532483;BingoBoingo;Each scam is only worth so many textual bullets 1042652;1425532488;mircea_popescu;yep. 1042653;1425532492;mircea_popescu;not a bad thing that, anywya. 1042654;1425532508;mircea_popescu;more words < better words. 1042655;1425532525;BingoBoingo;And if it wasn't for Moxenslit I wouls have been 1400 less words last month, but eulogy 1042656;1425532568;[]bot;Bet created: "Qntra to the moon" http://bitbet.us/bet/1127/ 1042657;1425532834;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But if brackwasser wants my hands they cn knock on my door as the FBI and Treasury department did. 1042658;1425532869;BingoBoingo;Maybe they can actually hold together ling enough to submit a bid. 1042659;1425532887;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol, right after i get conscripted to nsa sharashka 1042660;1425532911;asciilifeform;and ben_vulpes - to the ministry of wunderwaffen rocketeers 1042661;1425532939;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Your plague is high standards. So long as their only demand is I shoot brown people, then I and them will be fine. 1042662;1425532947;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1042663;1425532968;BingoBoingo;Vexual: I am way too drunk atm for PM's 1042664;1425532984;mircea_popescu;Vexual you know, iranians are white. 1042665;1425532987;mircea_popescu;and the chicks are pretty. 1042666;1425532989;asciilifeform;^ 1042667;1425533001;BingoBoingo;Iranians could totally get the dick. 1042668;1425533018;mircea_popescu;i think they stole more circassians than the dutch stole africans. 1042669;1425533025;mircea_popescu;were at it for far longer, that's for sure. 1042670;1425533104;*;asciilifeform refrains from going into deep tangent re: how iran may well have joined euro camp rather than descending into strange if it hadn't been spat upon as 'eastern monkeys' when tried 1042671;1425533105;BingoBoingo;As a USian I have to assume ISIS must be bad, and therefore Obumer sucks for not letting me take potshots at them. 1042672;1425533143;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Iran has always been more ready then the turks 1042673;1425533160;asciilifeform;see, for instance, the story regarding the composition of their not-quite-national-anthem 'ey iran' - sorta their equiv. of 'america the beautiful' 1042674;1425533214;decimation;asciilifeform: I thought iran went apeshit because of the british and us meddling 1042675;1425533215;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: i was nearly disowned from marching band at one time for insisting on continuance to Star Spangled Banner's 3rd verse 1042676;1425533245;decimation;BingoBoingo: should have sang the 'La Marseillaise' 1042677;1425533297;BingoBoingo;decimation: I am not of Jurov's interface preferences 1042678;1425533309;asciilifeform;lol 1042679;1425533322;cazalla;damn, you piss heads are tempting me to drink now 1042680;1425533327;asciilifeform;would american schoolboys even recognize it ? 1042681;1425533351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00037373 = 6.0918 BTC [-] {2} 1042682;1425533367;BingoBoingo;Seriouly though if USia offered me a mosin in exchange for 45 minutes at the ISIS border bleaching browns... I'd take that 1042683;1425533383;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They would not 1042684;1425533390;decimation;BingoBoingo: this is roughly why usg is still in business 1042685;1425533405;decimation;rivers of meat are still ready to serve 1042686;1425533413;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo dreamt all his life of an infantry career? mud, guts, the works ? 1042687;1425533420;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They would recognize te sovient national anthem though given a picture of sean connery 1042688;1425533437;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041914 << lol this dood's something else. who the fuck was banned, even ?! 1042689;1425533437;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 19:37:51; danielpbarron: yeah, prepare to be hated and banned 1042690;1425533451;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And yet it was my temporal lobes that betrayed me 1042691;1425533488;mircea_popescu;anyway, this ssd kid is abso-fucking-lutely endearing. 1042692;1425533496;mircea_popescu;anyone even know who he is ? 1042693;1425533503;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Has #b-a actually banned ever? 1042694;1425533516;mircea_popescu;well join/part spam, yeah 1042695;1425533520;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: best I can tell they were anb honest n00b 1042696;1425533526;mircea_popescu;but that gets undone on a "hey, i fixed it!" 1042697;1425533538;asciilifeform;peculiarly radiation-damaged n00b 1042698;1425533546;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pity they never reg'd now it'll be damned hard to make the link. 1042699;1425533565;asciilifeform;too many limbs of one type, too few - of other, wrong directions attached 1042700;1425533571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i read almost the whole thing, i fail to see anything to indicate anything wrong with him. 1042701;1425533585;BingoBoingo;sjsqd: is still welcome to my ear. Maybe I misse dsome other subject 1042702;1425533619;BingoBoingo;;;later tell sjsqd You are a crisis nao 1042703;1425533620;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1042704;1425533625;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nothing malicious about the poor bugger, just the fact of having all of the traditional misconceptions ('i'll use my phone', 'let's try the Cloud', etc.) 1042705;1425533635;mircea_popescu;kinda funny, yeah. 1042706;1425533642;decimation;asciilifeform: how did you find that 'new lamer' guy? incoming links? 1042707;1425533646;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That, plus their poor timing 1042708;1425533649;asciilifeform;decimation: machine logs 1042709;1425533650;mircea_popescu;but children are born thus. the infrastructure if you wish. the pulmonary shunt. 1042710;1425533653;mircea_popescu;it serves a purpose 1042711;1425533693;BingoBoingo;Last year... 1042712;1425533717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00037056 = 3.6871 BTC [-] {2} 1042713;1425533738;decimation;asciilifeform: I feel sorry for the poor guy, his heart is in the right place but he has no idea what kind of elephant he is trying to eat 1042714;1425533746;cazalla;BingoBoingo, what ya drinking, vodka? 1042715;1425533771;mircea_popescu;aww and all the hate he's getting. 1042716;1425533776;mircea_popescu;mats whay so mean dood! 1042717;1425533780;BingoBoingo;decimation: The solution is not shooting him yet, but giving him a historical cadaver to explore 1042718;1425533786;asciilifeform;dubai (his claimed home) is an interesting place. haven't had to go there myself yet, but have a friend who regularly visits. has stories 1042719;1425533812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at some point in the 90s knew a whole bunch of chicks who technically lived there 1042720;1425533828;mircea_popescu;came back home "to study" 9 months in the year, hung out with husband over summer. 1042721;1425533834;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Yes. Not vodka really. Just plain grain alcohol... and time... and dreams... of USia giving me brown people as a target... 1042722;1425533857;cazalla;BingoBoingo, believe it or not, i've yet to imbibe this month but you're encouraging.. so 1042723;1425533870;decimation;the arabs import everything, food, women, work 1042724;1425533921;asciilifeform;the one thing i've always wondered about dubai is what the owners actually -do- (vs have others do) 1042725;1425533941;asciilifeform;but iirc the prophet never forbade coke 1042726;1425533951;decimation;asciilifeform: if they are gentlemen scholars they don't seem to publish in english 1042727;1425533962;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently they're very insecure people, spend a lot of time wondering. 1042728;1425533996;BingoBoingo;http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/294758231.html 1042729;1425533998;assbot;Minnesota college tragedies: Drunk, frozen and underage | Star Tribune ... ( http://bit.ly/18Sg5B2 ) 1042730;1425534012;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041934 o.O didn't know petey's fluent in russians. 1042731;1425534012;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 19:43:17; pete_dushenski: now that it's a bit quieter in here: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/04/kerckhoffs-history-and-principles-of-military-cryptography-translated-and-adnotated/ 1042732;1425534016;decimation;asciilifeform: http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/emergencies/fire-in-a-dubai-building-disrupts-dubai-metro-operations-1.1216376 1042733;1425534017;assbot;Fire in a Dubai building disrupts Dubai Metro operations | GulfNews.com ... ( http://bit.ly/18Sg9Rh ) 1042734;1425534032;mircea_popescu;a nm, french version 1042735;1425534134;decimation;asciilifeform: video of the fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9djyhXo_k50 1042736;1425534136;assbot;Tallest Residential Building on Fire - Dubai - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18Sgvax ) 1042737;1425534148;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041954 << aaaaahahahahaha 1042738;1425534148;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 19:53:30; assbot: I just realized /hashtag/golang?src=hash's "go get" falls back to HTTP when HTTPS fails ☹ /hashtag/RussianRouletteSoftwareDistribution?src=hash /hashtag/CurlPipeSudoBash?src=hash /hashtag/yolo?src=hash /E_I_T 1042739;1425534153;mircea_popescu;holy shit who does these things 1042740;1425534191;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042688 << i meant banned from whatever venues he came from if he starts writing about b-a 1042741;1425534191;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 05:30:37; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041914 << lol this dood's something else. who the fuck was banned, even ?! 1042742;1425534205;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041957 << there's http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/ but otherwise the idea is for wikis etc to be community maintained. 1042743;1425534205;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 19:56:49; PeterL: does Eulora have an official website? 1042744;1425534206;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18SgCTx ) 1042745;1425534218;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron oh. yeah, i guess so. 1042746;1425534259;mircea_popescu;artifexd ^ i would hope you won't have that problem ? :D 1042747;1425534315;*;asciilifeform mumbles something regarding nonexistence of kitchens with single cockroaches 1042748;1425534357;*;BingoBoingo wonders why USG won't consider cost effective ISIS solutions 1042749;1425534357;asciilifeform;^ subject to the standard 'unexpected hanging theorem' disclaimer 1042750;1425534383;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041988 << quite. 1042751;1425534383;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 20:11:02; asciilifeform: PeterL: but you'll find that much of what programmers actually object to in ada is precisely the good parts 1042752;1425534390;danielpbarron;the reason i didn't clarify at the time was that i kinda hope he does go and write a LTBarticle about this place and get himself banned from "the community" 1042753;1425534416;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i think it's at breaking point, that "community" 1042754;1425534423;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: That is neither a problem nor a lack therof 1042755;1425534431;danielpbarron;right 1042756;1425534436;mircea_popescu;treason's only a hanging offence originally. soon enough... 1042757;1425534445;danielpbarron;it would be good for him to get ejected from their midst 1042758;1425534456;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: So your disagreement relatred ratings 1042759;1425534461;mircea_popescu;i kinda expect ejection in droves during the year. 1042760;1425534462;danielpbarron;don't take my word for it, sort of thing 1042761;1425534477;asciilifeform;it's at breaking point << it's been carrying on a happy 'life' of the undead zombie for quite some time, rotting, culturing maggots & worms, throwing chunks of flesh at bystanders 1042762;1425534488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notrly, no. 1042763;1425534506;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Contrast the case of 'Rozal' 1042764;1425534563;danielpbarron;i gave rozal -10 for being a self described liar, and some others got a -1 or -2 for striking me as sketchy.. 1042765;1425534571;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's alive for the purpose of usg stooges being able to 'talk about bitcoin' without mentioning #b-a ever 1042766;1425534609;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1042001 << such lovely, srsly. 1042767;1425534609;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 20:13:24; asciilifeform: there is even a 'rationale' document (also book) ready to argue with you 1042768;1425534624;decimation;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-04/how-a-25-year-old-investor-spurred-lumber-liquidators-plunge < apparently the new investing hotness is to short a company and then throw it into the usg woodchipper 1042769;1425534625;assbot;How a 25-Year-Old Sparked Lumber Liquidators’ Stock Plunge - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/18l0LLQ ) 1042770;1425534630;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's 100% free online, too 1042771;1425534633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think your view of what is after all a natural process is too informed by categorical logic. 1042772;1425534663;asciilifeform;(common lisp has a standard-cum-rationale and it isn't quite as deliciously readable) 1042773;1425534666;mircea_popescu;real objects can of course never be categorically anything. 1042774;1425534667;asciilifeform;but similar 1042775;1425534734;asciilifeform;too informed by categorical logic... real objects can of course never be categorically anything << guilty. professional disease. 1042776;1425534748;mircea_popescu;nttawwi. 1042777;1425534753;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: You initially gave him a small negative rating out of dislike and it was described as such. I hung him for fabricating allegations of theft. 1042778;1425534769;danielpbarron;what is the point of -10 if not for also having access to the other integers between it and 0 1042779;1425534844;asciilifeform;am i alone in using wot as was originally taught, 'level of confidence that this key represents person who is what they wish to believe us they are' ? 1042780;1425534845;mircea_popescu;holy shit 2k lines that aren't your own are hard as fucking coffin nails 1042781;1425534856;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: For the dark mark. He got -10 for most grevious crime 1042782;1425534867;asciilifeform;*what they wish us to believe they are 1042783;1425534869;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. wot is "level of confidence i have a complete picture of this person" 1042784;1425534904;BingoBoingo;;;rated Rozal 1042785;1425534905;gribble;You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment. 1042786;1425534913;*;mircea_popescu insists on http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ 1042787;1425534914;assbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18l11un ) 1042788;1425534922;asciilifeform;^^ aha that one 1042789;1425534944;mircea_popescu;uh. speaking of which... anyone could explain wtf https://www.pinterest.com/ethanrana/httptrilemacom2014what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works/ is ?! 1042790;1425534947;assbot;http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ on Pinterest | 100 Pins ... ( http://bit.ly/18l12yp ) 1042791;1425534969;asciilifeform;spamatron 1042792;1425534975;mircea_popescu;but... why an url ?! 1042793;1425534994;asciilifeform;'seo' 1042794;1425535018;asciilifeform;particularly in the case of certain demented browsers that pipe url bar contents into search engine under certain conditions 1042795;1425535024;mircea_popescu;hm 1042796;1425535064;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider - how did you even discover that page 1042797;1425535074;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1042034 hawahahahahaha 1042798;1425535074;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 21:15:54; bitstein: This is pretty lulzy: https://github.com/jonasnick/eth-neg-value-tx 1042799;1425535092;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i had no idea trilema is THAT googled. 1042800;1425535116;asciilifeform;eth-neg << do you wonder why it was disclosed for bounty? rather than being used to shoot the thing in the head 1042801;1425535126;asciilifeform;as it quite certainly could have been 1042802;1425535179;mircea_popescu;because the thing is worthless ? 1042803;1425535180;asciilifeform;(my hypothesis, simple: because eth. isn't alive and cannot be killed by shooting in the head. like 'redphone' and 'silent circle') 1042804;1425535210;asciilifeform;1000 'fatal' bugs will be found, if it carries on long enough, and will make no difference. 1042805;1425535238;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/a-sjsqd-walks-into-a-pub/ 1042806;1425535350;artifexd;gossipd status: http://i.minus.com/ibaDjk7AeIcvxv.gif 1042807;1425535355;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18SjtM5 ) 1042808;1425535622;BingoBoingo;PeterL I would much prefer to read an article than to listen to some guy talking. << And this is how the world ends. Not with a whimper, but with a 7.62x54R bang 1042809;1425535684;*;asciilifeform thought it ends with the 'schpokk' of nailgun 1042810;1425535794;mircea_popescu;artifexd lolk took 3 passes but bwahahaha 1042811;1425535904;artifexd;I'm pretty heads down on it so 1) I am falling very behind on logs and 2) I'm not hanging out in here 1042812;1425535920;mircea_popescu;makes sense. 1042813;1425535930;artifexd;But, I do get pinged if my name shows up and I don't want y'all to think it has been forgotten. 1042814;1425535942;mircea_popescu;got pinged because of the go http debacle 1042815;1425535948;mircea_popescu;two lines up from where you were pinged 1042816;1425535995;asciilifeform;not that widget, as specced, uses http/s for anything 1042817;1425535996;artifexd;While interesting, that doesn't affect gossipd because I'm using lower level networking. 1042818;1425536008;asciilifeform;but it is precisely the kind of thing one gets when using turdlangs 1042819;1425536028;asciilifeform;esp. ones where 'omg111!!11 rich libraries, they do everything' 1042820;1425536041;danielpbarron;Funny how not long it takes the Christian to start a holy war upon the poor Arab! << LOL, I honestly didn't even consider his ethnicity; I have a /stab alias for when people annoy me 1042821;1425536043;mircea_popescu;i enjoy opportunities to poke at people 1042822;1425536054;mircea_popescu;lol 1042823;1425536154;artifexd;Oh, actually that is complaining about one of the golang tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly. 1042824;1425536221;mircea_popescu;aha 1042825;1425536224;*;BingoBoingo farts 1042826;1425536256;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Golang seems to have a lot of those holes 1042827;1425536475;*;BingoBoingo adires tedu as guy aho makes bullshit mor menory safe, questions... the rest pf the corpus 1042828;1425536717;decimation;asciilifeform: I assume you saw the sudden freakout over hilariously weak crypto implemented by spec in SSL? 1042829;1425537255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00037132 = 3.7875 BTC [+] 1042830;1425537499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00037062 = 13.9538 BTC [-] {2} 1042831;1425538048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3058 @ 0.00037051 = 1.133 BTC [-] 1042832;1425539024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00037035 = 4.5553 BTC [-] {2} 1042833;1425539118;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/04/kerckhoffs-history-and-principles-of-military-cryptography-translated-and-adnotated/#footnote_2_2919 << belive it or not that'd actually be ecdsa rather than simple transposition. 1042834;1425539120;assbot;Kerckhoffs’ history and principles of military cryptography, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMWtU8 ) 1042835;1425539120;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1042836;1425539451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7923 @ 0.00038223 = 3.0284 BTC [+] {2} 1042837;1425540793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00037275 = 5.7217 BTC [-] {2} 1042838;1425541282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00036892 = 4.0028 BTC [-] {2} 1042839;1425541670;punkman;http://www.wired.com/2012/11/zeta-radio/ 1042840;1425541672;assbot;Mexican Cartels Enslave Engineers to Build Radio Network | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoFXzD ) 1042841;1425541769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31726 @ 0.00038373 = 12.1742 BTC [+] {3} 1042842;1425542616;punkman;http://metatalk.metafilter.com/23626/Sixteen-Years 1042843;1425542619;assbot;Sixteen Years | MetaTalk ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoI5Yk ) 1042844;1425542642;punkman;when did they throw away the old cozy design... 1042845;1425542806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00037403 = 2.0572 BTC [-] 1042846;1425542906;punkman;;;ticker 1042847;1425542907;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 272.63, Best ask: 272.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 272.7, 24 hour volume: 64140.20713433, 24 hour low: 267.0, 24 hour high: 285.99, 24 hour vwap: None 1042848;1425542922;punkman;gribble doesn't like buttstamp anymore? 1042849;1425543172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00038422 = 1.5369 BTC [+] 1042850;1425543300;cazalla;http://www.digitalcurrencycouncil.com/uncategorized/join-us-on-march-8th-for-bitcoin-womens-day/ 1042851;1425543304;assbot;Join Us on March 8th for Bitcoin Women's Day - Digital Currency Council ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoJT3p ) 1042852;1425543406;punkman;lulz http://www.internationalwomensday.com/theme.asp 1042853;1425543407;assbot;INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY 2015 Theme: Make It Happen ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoK7HN ) 1042854;1425543558;cazalla;punkman, i've made my contribution, have you? https://twitter.com/captaincazalla/status/573396933793857536 1042855;1425543559;assbot;Bitcoin needs more women! To that end, women can earn their first 0.1 BTC right here! http://t.co/jkfTtJ6tS3 /hashtag/MakeItHappen?src=hash /hashtag/BitcoinWomensDay?src=hash 1042856;1425543632;punkman;cazalla, I will contribute by only using purple sex toys on the girl 1042857;1425543649;punkman;it's the color of equality 1042858;1425544031;punkman;http://image.dhgate.com/albu_925764541_00/1.0x0.jpg 1042859;1425544034;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoLFSm ) 1042860;1425544405;cazalla;that's a real thing lol? 1042861;1425544574;punkman;scary looking bird http://bongashop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/bfe434d3359b3a2b8d266fbb8472c53a/A/N/ANPS14.jpg 1042862;1425544575;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoMTgc ) 1042863;1425545490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00037403 = 8.3409 BTC [-] 1042864;1425545851;mircea_popescu;cazalla what's "women's day" got to do with "digital currency" w/e the shit that means. 1042865;1425545978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6575 @ 0.00037706 = 2.4792 BTC [+] 1042866;1425545994;cazalla;mircea_popescu, seems an opportunity for them to stick their dcc branded shit next to an even bigger shittier brand, that being international wimminz day 1042867;1425546010;mircea_popescu;totally this is the way to success. 1042868;1425546032;mircea_popescu;keep keeping the magic buttons next to other magic buttons so the magic keeps infusing from one to the other and multiplying and shit. 1042869;1425546053;mircea_popescu;soon enough they'll have enough mana stored up to resurect zig ziggler 1042870;1425546064;mircea_popescu;and bring about three apocalypses for the low low price of 19.95 1042871;1425546073;mircea_popescu;but wait! there's more! 1042872;1425546091;mircea_popescu;if you apocalypse now you also get this free set of dragonbane absolutely free! 1042873;1425546098;mircea_popescu;(retail value of 49.95) 1042874;1425546116;cazalla;that's some steak knife 1042875;1425546121;mircea_popescu;PLUS! if you only use purple toys on the girl you get a bactericide cream for the vajayjay ABSOLUTELY FREE 1042876;1425546299;mircea_popescu;"While Amin's articles, author profile at Coin Brief and twitter account have since been deleted, a copy of his author archive at Coin Brief remains available via Google cache and is mirrored here." 1042877;1425546313;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would people do this. doesn't it stand to reason it's interesting now ? why delete it ? 1042878;1425546344;mircea_popescu;lol twitter murdered bryce weiner ? ahaha 1042879;1425546377;cazalla;i know eh, his site has been mentioned in the wapo, cnn.. and he goes and deletes it lol 1042880;1425546382;cazalla;the guys content that is, not the site itself 1042881;1425546486;mircea_popescu;weird. 1042882;1425546515;mircea_popescu;anyway, since this is such a big deal (!?), anyone know of some of these isis reddit users ? 1042883;1425546529;mircea_popescu;we could have a script to changetip them fiddy satoshi till the cows come home 1042884;1425546554;mircea_popescu;or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ? 1042885;1425546560;mircea_popescu;preferably using coinbase. 1042886;1425546587;cazalla;nope, but i'd laugh if they began to include a QR code in their head chop videos 1042887;1425546601;cazalla;donate x amount of BTC to see this guy go free by such and such date 1042888;1425546630;mircea_popescu;totally. 1042889;1425546636;mircea_popescu;they could have a "vote how the guy dies". 1042890;1425546658;mircea_popescu;<10 btc, beheaded. < 100 btc, stabbed in esophagus. etc. 1042891;1425546697;cazalla;perhaps a custom video for the largest changetipper 1042892;1425546712;mircea_popescu;100 btc guy goes free (o oops, a DIFFERENT group got him just as he was leaving our compound) 1042893;1425546723;cazalla;lol 1042894;1425546738;mircea_popescu;anyway, the recently failed megaoffensive on tikrit produced from what i hear a good few thousands prisoners 1042895;1425546756;mircea_popescu;no better time to turn usg agents into camwhores. 1042896;1425546766;mircea_popescu;the eventual fate of everyone working for that thing anyway, why wait. 1042897;1425546816;mircea_popescu;"pay $50 to watch pvt 1st class joshua cooper learn to give oral pleasure to Berg, the great dane" 1042898;1425546829;cazalla;i believe the aussie pm send 300 soliders to join the fight these past few days 1042899;1425546866;cazalla;sent*.. i'm not even drinking yet speak the engrish 1042900;1425546941;cazalla;i'm not so sure the great dane shit would be that popular 1042901;1425546965;mircea_popescu;well whatcha gonna do, gayness is not allowed i think ? 1042902;1425546987;cazalla;i dunno, the egyptian pilot who got toasty'd was quite popular 1042903;1425546996;fluffypony;[11:05:44] <+mircea_popescu>lol twitter murdered bryce weiner ? ahaha <- lol, anyone know what the story is? 1042904;1425547000;cazalla;3D! 1042905;1425547007;mircea_popescu;anyway, if isis had any sense they'd just steal the liveshow format. what's that thing called where they put x guys in a house ? 1042906;1425547013;mircea_popescu;except do it right, give them knives. 1042907;1425547017;cazalla;he change tipped an alleged isis twitter account fluffypony lol 1042908;1425547022;mircea_popescu;fluffypony top story on qntra atm 1042909;1425547023;fluffypony;hah hah 1042910;1425547029;cazalla;mircea_popescu, big brother 1042911;1425547029;*;fluffypony checks 1042912;1425547035;mircea_popescu;cazalla tya that. 1042913;1425547055;mircea_popescu;anyway, if there's an official isis accounts list somewhere, i'm totally game to send them whatever 0.0050 cents or w/e changetip does. 1042914;1425547081;cazalla;there probably is somewhere 1042915;1425547146;cazalla;can't say i'm keen to be the first aussie bitcoiner nailed to the cross for simply mentioning bitcoin and ISIS in the same sentence though.. 1042916;1425547270;cazalla;the cops already shut down an arterial road a few suburbs over this afternoon because some guy dared shoot annoying birds with an air rifle 1042917;1425547292;cazalla;http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-close-roads-gunman-in-toorak-road-south-yarra-20150305-13wcev.html 1042918;1425547294;assbot;Police close roads, gunman in Toorak Road, South Yarra ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZQIU8 ) 1042919;1425547687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00037462 = 7.3238 BTC [-] {3} 1042920;1425547918;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1042921;1425547934;mircea_popescu;the very idea that police may even close roads... 1042922;1425547944;mircea_popescu;this is rebellion outright. 1042923;1425548235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00037578 = 1.6346 BTC [+] {3} 1042924;1425549212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.0003875 = 9.3388 BTC [+] {3} 1042925;1425549516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15661 @ 0.00036807 = 5.7643 BTC [-] {2} 1042926;1425550065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00038973 = 3.4101 BTC [+] 1042927;1425550919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00036786 = 4.9661 BTC [-] {2} 1042928;1425551017;mircea_popescu;!up sjsqd 1042929;1425551018;mircea_popescu;yes. 1042930;1425551285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8817 @ 0.00038973 = 3.4362 BTC [+] 1042931;1425551311;cazalla;sjsqd, ya back! 1042932;1425552261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.04232399 = 1.2697 BTC [-] {4} 1042933;1425552262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 105 @ 0.012 = 1.26 BTC [+] 1042934;1425552263;sjsqd;sorry afk have to visit family 1042935;1425552596;mircea_popescu;o.O havelock returns ? 1042936;1425552628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00038874 = 4.5871 BTC [-] {3} 1042937;1425552836;cazalla;saw a few trades earlier 1042938;1425553058;cazalla;!up sjsqd 1042939;1425553062;cazalla;btw sjsqd, are you indian? 1042940;1425553115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.0421 = 2.105 BTC [-] 1042941;1425553132;mircea_popescu;Because it is endangered and endemic to the area, development projects have been restricted to preserve its habitat. For example, the Dickey-Lincoln dam, a $227 million hydroelectric project proposed on the upper Saint John River in 1974, was deauthorized by Congress in 1986 after years of study, because the dam would have flooded 88,000 acres (360 km2) of Maine forest and severely reduced the lousewort's habitat. Some 1042942;1425553133;mircea_popescu; criticized ending the dam project to protect the lousewort; Time magazine called the idea "downright silly" in 1977. While thought extinct at the time the dam was proposed, it was rediscovered in 1976 by C.D. Richards while doing surveys to determine the environmental impact of the dam. 1042943;1425553133;mircea_popescu;epic. 1042944;1425553176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00036464 = 4.1751 BTC [-] {2} 1042945;1425553806;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-03-2015#1042884 << they don't want your usary scrip, isiscoin uses PoAu 1042946;1425553806;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 09:09:14; mircea_popescu: or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ? 1042947;1425554335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00038482 = 1.7317 BTC [+] 1042948;1425556077;chetty;http://www.coindesk.com/russian-politician-us-bitcoin-finance-terrorism/ 1042949;1425556077;assbot;Russian Lawmaker: Bitcoin is a CIA Conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fd7rXE ) 1042950;1425557568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00039692 = 5.5569 BTC [+] {2} 1042951;1425557873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16166 @ 0.00039865 = 6.4446 BTC [+] {3} 1042952;1425558361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00038238 = 4.2062 BTC [-] {3} 1042953;1425559337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00038032 = 2.4531 BTC [-] 1042954;1425559559;punkman;mircea_popescu: criticized ending the dam project to protect the lousewort; << who the fuck cares about the lousewort 1042955;1425559620;punkman;flooding a nice forest probably not the best idea, but their argument rests on lousewort?! 1042956;1425559644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00039941 = 1.6176 BTC [+] 1042957;1425560069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00038032 = 4.8871 BTC [-] 1042958;1425560618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.04152686 = 2.7823 BTC [-] {3} 1042959;1425560742;danielpbarron;height=252240 vs height=199051 (usb3: height=234650) 1042960;1425560933;[]bot;Bet placed: 15.19171 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 81.3105122 BTC. Current weight: 72,803. 1042961;1425561965;danielpbarron;!up irdial 1042962;1425562021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 73 @ 0.04116602 = 3.0051 BTC [-] {3} 1042963;1425562204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.012 = 1.08 BTC [+] 1042964;1425562216;dignork;nice idea: https://zyan.scripts.mit.edu/blog/rate-limiting-anonymous-accounts/ 1042965;1425562217;assbot;rate-limiting anonymous accounts | discrete blogarithm ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPuaH5 ) 1042966;1425562631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.04101 = 1.9275 BTC [-] 1042967;1425562821;punkman;unload that AM1 while havelol is still up! 1042968;1425563485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38294 @ 0.00039953 = 15.2996 BTC [+] {4} 1042969;1425563668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12356 @ 0.00040014 = 4.9441 BTC [+] 1042970;1425564095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00038279 = 5.0145 BTC [-] {2} 1042971;1425565071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 72 @ 0.04101 = 2.9527 BTC [-] 1042972;1425565864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00038654 = 2.9377 BTC [+] 1042973;1425566108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24420 @ 0.00037638 = 9.1912 BTC [-] {3} 1042974;1425566535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00036735 = 3.8204 BTC [-] {3} 1042975;1425566596;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 250 @ 0.00463785 = 1.1595 BTC [-] 1042976;1425566901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.0003833 = 2.4915 BTC [+] {2} 1042977;1425566925;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.02 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 82.3305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,680. 1042978;1425568121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8132 @ 0.00039406 = 3.2045 BTC [+] {2} 1042979;1425569220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00039342 = 1.7901 BTC [-] 1042980;1425570012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20287 @ 0.00040088 = 8.1327 BTC [+] {2} 1042981;1425570073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14301 @ 0.00040213 = 5.7509 BTC [+] {2} 1042982;1425571049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00039095 = 1.2706 BTC [-] {2} 1042983;1425572269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00039295 = 4.5779 BTC [-] 1042984;1425572575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00039095 = 2.5998 BTC [-] 1042985;1425573245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3805 @ 0.00039095 = 1.4876 BTC [-] 1042986;1425573672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00038571 = 3.2785 BTC [-] 1042987;1425573675;ben_vulpes; [05:31] mircea_popescu: Has #b-a actually banned ever? << tiberius. 1042988;1425573727;ben_vulpes; [05:35] asciilifeform: I feel sorry for the poor guy, his heart is in the right place but he has no idea what kind of elephant he is trying to eat << more like a spittoon 1042989;1425574262;ben_vulpes;http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/ << moar on google breaking the internet 1042990;1425574263;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wJESSg ) 1042991;1425574304;ben_vulpes; [05:53] am i alone in using wot as was originally taught, 'level of confidence that this key represents person who is what they wish to believe us they are' ? << would this be the ancient "gpg wot" standard? 1042992;1425574343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00038571 = 3.4907 BTC [-] 1042993;1425574475;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 83.3305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,525. 1042994;1425575095;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: yea. now we can associate bitcoin trades to a key to associate trust value. 1042995;1425575182;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by lobbes: http://qntra.net/2015/03/missouri-secretary-of-state-orders-slaughter-to-pay-civil-penalties/ 1042996;1425575697;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: o.O havelock returns ? << we are dealing with undead. it is to be expected... 1042997;1425575807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00038571 = 6.1906 BTC [-] 1042998;1425576427;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ... #b-a actually banned ever? << mr spam, mr moarspam, others 1042999;1425576917;adlai;his name was robert paulsen 1043000;1425577113;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: mr. moarspam? 1043001;1425577142;thestringpuller;adlai: that part of the book/movie is creepy as fuck. 1043002;1425577165;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: forgot his nick already. something to do with plague, contagion 1043003;1425577210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00038571 = 1.215 BTC [-] 1043004;1425577409;BingoBoingo;!b 5 1043005;1425577410;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0CE5XAG.txt ) 1043006;1425577576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9975 @ 0.00038192 = 3.8097 BTC [-] {2} 1043007;1425577759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13645 @ 0.0003815 = 5.2056 BTC [-] 1043008;1425578004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6055 @ 0.00036844 = 2.2309 BTC [-] 1043009;1425578369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10431 @ 0.00036356 = 3.7923 BTC [-] 1043010;1425578979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13472 @ 0.00038708 = 5.2147 BTC [+] 1043011;1425579819;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/koR75BV.png << what a great typo 1043012;1425579916;adlai;it ain't a cryptoparty if nobody's having fundation 1043013;1425580260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00036751 = 6.5049 BTC [-] {2} 1043014;1425581053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7921 @ 0.00037571 = 2.976 BTC [+] {2} 1043015;1425581141;danielpbarron;!up coalbe 1043016;1425581419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00037611 = 6.7512 BTC [+] {3} 1043017;1425581445;ben_vulpes;!rate coalbe 1 really bad puns 1043018;1425581445;assbot;coalbe is not registered in WoT. 1043019;1425581449;ben_vulpes;coalbe! 1043020;1425581458;ben_vulpes;!h 1043021;1425581458;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1043022;1425581460;coalbe;:shrug: 1043023;1425581907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00039053 = 2.3237 BTC [+] 1043024;1425582397;ben_vulpes;!gettrust coalbe 1043025;1425582398;assbot;Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user coalbe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/coalbe | http://w.b-a.link/user/coalbe 1043026;1425582410;ben_vulpes;!rate coalbe 1 bad puns 1043027;1425582410;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e5c6ca4dfbaf370b 1043028;1425582441;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.coalbe.1:7963e8bebaef17f239758f67e4784ead88f565b669ba7319af114b55def5638b 1043029;1425582441;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for coalbe with note: bad puns 1043030;1425582450;ben_vulpes;!down coalbe 1043031;1425582456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00040228 = 3.1177 BTC [+] 1043032;1425582463;ben_vulpes;now pm assbot thusly: /msg assbot !up 1043033;1425582517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14394 @ 0.00040129 = 5.7762 BTC [-] 1043034;1425582578;lobbes;!rate BingoBoingo 1 Helped me publish my first qntra article; all-around cool guy 1043035;1425582578;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/20dfcdc3899a0cc0 1043036;1425582628;lobbes;!v assbot:lobbes.rate.BingoBoingo.1:dddea0c2eacbe967fa5d475c36c3906904f651d7d5baba3f4a06f5eefe7eefa 1043037;1425582628;assbot;Invalid verfication string. 1043038;1425582683;mike_c;looks like you are 1 character short. 1043039;1425582694;mike_c;or a scamzor. 1043040;1425582700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14525 @ 0.00036342 = 5.2787 BTC [-] {2} 1043041;1425582721;lobbes;mike_c: you have better eyes than I 1043042;1425582883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.04 = 1.04 BTC [-] {2} 1043043;1425583018;*;asciilifeform replaced a ~15 year old fan 1043044;1425583361;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you must take good care of your things 1043045;1425583375;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: esp. since this was the master ups 1043046;1425583388;asciilifeform;it was getting to the point that i could hear it in other rooms 1043047;1425583405;asciilifeform;(it's a 'double-conversion' monster that runs inverter 100% of the time) 1043048;1425583486;BingoBoingo;Oh, I though maybe this was the sort of fan you replace for insufficient adoration 1043049;1425583514;asciilifeform;l0l 1043050;1425583546;asciilifeform;this was the useful kind. 1043051;1425583562;asciilifeform;that blows. 1043052;1425583597;BingoBoingo;Sometimes other kinds blows as well. 1043053;1425583617;asciilifeform;put a 'pabst' fluid bearing 80mm in there. golden toilet, should last. 1043054;1425583636;cazalla;DigitalCurrency (@DCCCertified) favorited one of your Tweets! <<< bwahaha they don't even follow the links to see what it is, just fav away for tities lol 1043055;1425583657;thestringpuller;cazalla: thousand fly eyes 1043056;1425583663;cazalla;and fuck, i wish it was summer, first week of autumn and the mornings are already cold and dark 1043057;1425583676;asciilifeform;(tip: if anyone else has a 'liebert' ups, and replacing fan, don't throw out old one. you will need to snip&solder the connector.) 1043058;1425583703;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: you have given me imagery of asciilifeform having a "posse". asciilifeform: "Why are you people following me?" Member of posse: "Oh, we're you're crew. We follow you everywhere." 1043059;1425583913;kakobrekla;tip: if you need a quiet fan, get one 'be quiet' makes 1043060;1425583920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21532 @ 0.0003621 = 7.7967 BTC [-] {3} 1043061;1425583946;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: iirc, there's exactly one producer of fluid bearings, and everybody else gets them 1043062;1425583953;asciilifeform;some ancient subdivision of sony, iirc 1043063;1425583970;asciilifeform;(fluid bearings used in fans, that is) 1043064;1425583985;kakobrekla;i dont know from the top of my head which one bq uses but i bought 50 high end fans a year+ ago and tested them all 1043065;1425583995;kakobrekla;still got a crate of 'bad' ones. 1043066;1425584000;asciilifeform;50 of same airflow, measured ? 1043067;1425584011;asciilifeform;because otherwise you're comparing bulldog and rhinoceros 1043068;1425584040;kakobrekla;i was testing for low rpm quietness where noise from bearings is the problem, noting else 1043069;1425584042;asciilifeform;or were you doing a cubometres/decibel thing 1043070;1425584045;*;kakobrekla runs fans at 200rpm 1043071;1425584046;BingoBoingo;Perfectly good occasions exist to compare bulldog and rhinoceros 1043072;1425584337;kakobrekla;checked: "fluid-dynamic bearing with copper core (300.000 operating hours)" 1043073;1425584347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00038662 = 2.4744 BTC [+] 1043074;1425584363;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: aha, it 1043075;1425584401;asciilifeform;circulating oil in manifold made from sintered cu 1043076;1425584410;kakobrekla;yeah these are great. 1043077;1425584426;asciilifeform;love'em, got at least 7 in just this room 1043078;1425584463;kakobrekla;but then second problem is running them slow enough - which only bq did as far as my tests went 1043079;1425584469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00038662 = 2.745 BTC [+] 1043080;1425584491;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: can always solder a controller inline with the cord 1043081;1425584506;kakobrekla;thats not the problem 1043082;1425584518;kakobrekla;but the fans have a minimum speed at which they will actually turn 1043083;1425584529;asciilifeform;aha 1043084;1425584534;kakobrekla;pwm fans have this hardcoded so to speak 1043085;1425584537;asciilifeform;you found ones where this was below 200 ? 1043086;1425584546;asciilifeform;or rather, above 1043087;1425584617;kakobrekla;most of them have min way above 200 1043088;1425584665;kakobrekla;most common seems to be around 500 or 600 rpm 1043089;1425584679;kakobrekla;some even higher. 1043090;1425584773;kakobrekla;heres a few of the more interesting pwm ones; http://shrani.si/f/3M/2d/4N2Jzpz2/profiles.png 1043091;1425584775;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUCaLP ) 1043092;1425584788;kakobrekla;you dont actually see noise here 1043093;1425584795;kakobrekla;but the working curve 1043094;1425584871;asciilifeform;'power %' << duty cycle ? 1043095;1425584941;kakobrekla;iirc that particular shot is pwm controlled 1043096;1425584960;asciilifeform;incidentally, whatever happened to electrodynamic fans ? 1043097;1425584972;asciilifeform;the kind without moving parts 1043098;1425584974;kakobrekla;http://shrani.si/f/3m/fc/18a8bPy7/1/noctua-nf-p12-both.png 1043099;1425584975;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9MJKq ) 1043100;1425584981;kakobrekla;here is same fan pwm vs voltage 1043101;1425584990;kakobrekla;pwm on right. 1043102;1425585002;kakobrekla;but not the one i use. 1043103;1425585097;asciilifeform;http://www.inventgeek.com/ionic-wind-pc-cooling << ancient article, re: make your own 1043104;1425585098;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9MZci ) 1043105;1425585113;asciilifeform;doubles as air filter. 1043106;1425585187;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: ^ definitely no bearing noise. no bearing, no motor... 1043107;1425585194;kakobrekla;hm 1043108;1425585255;kakobrekla;i had one of such 'ionization' clean air gadgets running for some time some years ago 1043109;1425585262;kakobrekla;it made the wall around it all back. 1043110;1425585273;asciilifeform;when configured as 'air cleaner' they tend to piss out ozone 1043111;1425585282;asciilifeform;and yes, make dust stick in random place 1043112;1425585285;kakobrekla;yeah not cool at all. 1043113;1425585305;asciilifeform;but in the shape pictured, the output mesh is grounded 1043114;1425585340;*;asciilifeform has not tried the recipe, but invites anyone who has, to post. 1043115;1425585376;asciilifeform;btw if the wall was black, it was working 1043116;1425585384;kakobrekla;aha. 1043117;1425585397;kakobrekla;still is black :D 1043118;1425585417;asciilifeform;whole point of electrostatic cleaner is to make dust stick to things (in a well-constructed one, the 'thing' is the filter inside) 1043119;1425585473;kakobrekla;but dunno how wanted ozone really is 1043120;1425585480;asciilifeform;generally not very 1043121;1425585507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00038662 = 3.6729 BTC [+] 1043122;1425585826;BingoBoingo;at least ozone smells good 1043123;1425585873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00038886 = 1.7499 BTC [+] 1043124;1425586178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00039363 = 4.5661 BTC [+] {2} 1043125;1425586788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9662 @ 0.00039964 = 3.8613 BTC [+] 1043126;1425587178;jurov;not very healthy for breathing 1043127;1425587420;BingoBoingo;Well, not if you get to much. What harm can the occasional whiff of it do? 1043128;1425587439;jurov;we were talking about kako's ozone generator 1043129;1425587456;jurov;running (presumably) all day 1043130;1425587458;jurov;http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html 1043131;1425587459;assbot;Ozone Generators that are Sold as Air Cleaners | Indoor Air | US Environmental Protection Agency ... ( http://bit.ly/18mqbsC ) 1043132;1425587481;punkman;ozone helps kill odours, so "cleaner" air 1043133;1425587545;jurov;^ as per above, it does not affect organic molecules. just numbs the smell cells, I guess. 1043134;1425587605;BingoBoingo;Ah 1043135;1425587783;punkman;jurov, ah good to know 1043136;1425588347;BingoBoingo;!up GrandHierophant 1043137;1425588366;cazalla;!up sjsqd 1043138;1425588391;GrandHierophant;!down 1043139;1425588400;GrandHierophant;!down GrandHierophant 1043140;1425588439;punkman;!up GrandHierophant 1043141;1425588679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 3384 @ 0.012 = 40.608 BTC [+] 1043142;1425588793;jurov;wtf GrandHierophant 1043143;1425588857;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/14-bidders-34-bids-in-latest-usms-bitcoin-auction/ 1043144;1425588905;asciilifeform;cazalla: typo: ullbricht 1043145;1425588912;GrandHierophant;what jurov 1043146;1425588927;asciilifeform;ulbricht rather 1043147;1425588932;cazalla;asciilifeform, it's early :\ 1043148;1425589021;asciilifeform;https://www.emptywheel.net/2015/03/02/the-jihadi-john-cover-story << mega-l0l 1043149;1425589026;assbot;The Jihadi John Cover Story | emptywheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1aNPDsW ) 1043150;1425589095;asciilifeform;'British intelligence sources are now claiming that the SIGINT hunt for Emwazi preceded the HUMINT one, and also claiming that a SIGINT clue — and the related SIGINT trail that clue uncovered — provided the breakthrough in IDing him. Which is almost certainly bullshit. But notable bullshit, for two reasons. First, because the current story — that the UK lost Emwazi — poses really big problems for the dragnet. Because i 1043151;1425589095;asciilifeform;f someone like Emwazi, whom MI5 had been chasing for years, can simply disappear, only to reappear as the man beheading western journalists (though technically, the videos never show him doing so), then it suggests the entire dragnet is least effective when it is most needed. The Express’ ill-defined sources appear to want to tell a story about SIGINT succeeded rather then explain how it is that SIGINT failed (at least accor 1043152;1425589095;asciilifeform;ding to the story getting told publicly).' 1043153;1425589253;mike_c;i don't quite get this theory that they aren't actually selling the coins. 1043154;1425589260;thestringpuller;RENT is goin hard. Biggest trade I've seen yet. 1043155;1425589270;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, others: http://www.governmentattic.org/14docs/USNORTHCOM-CONPLAN3502.pdf << gasenwagen 1043156;1425589271;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aNQqtK ) 1043157;1425589283;thestringpuller;mike_c: they don't sell coins. they make you think they are selling coins. 1043158;1425589283;mike_c;There isn't much doubt that they took ulbricht's coins, right? 1043159;1425589288;asciilifeform;(^ very short letter, foia denial) 1043160;1425589320;mike_c;i understand the theory :) I don't get the basis. 1043161;1425589321;thestringpuller;winning bidder says, "Oh i received coins." with gun at head in background from USG suit and tie 1043162;1425589340;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: afaik the only source of this hypothesis is mircea_popescu, who presumably has a clue, but understandably won't reveal source of said clue 1043163;1425589373;thestringpuller;mike_c: price suppression is basis, but maybe there is more strategy to it? 1043164;1425589374;mike_c;seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question? 1043165;1425589393;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: "Oh i received coins." with gun at head... << it isn't clear why this would lead to price drops at public exchanges, unless anticipatory sell-offs (which would be brief) 1043166;1425589395;mike_c;price suppression doesn't mean they are selling fake coins, it would be the same if they were selling real coins. 1043167;1425589440;mike_c;asciilifeform: the price suppression comes because when someone wants x thousand coins they have this avenue. where otherwise they would be harder/more expensive to obtain. 1043168;1425589476;asciilifeform;mike_c: i still don't get why somebody buying a parcel of $maxint btc would affect the price on, e.g., 'btc-e' 1043169;1425589482;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: given the FDIC-like insurance scheme enemy is planning, i would think it probably there is some ability to forcefully liquidate funds against trader's wills (at least smaller ones) 1043170;1425589483;asciilifeform;if it doesn't happen there 1043171;1425589555;mike_c;the auctions are siphoning off demand that could otherwise show up on some exchange. and while the exchanges don't move in perfect tandem, they do move close unless something is wrong. 1043172;1425589603;asciilifeform;only siphons off demand unless, e.g., draper, was actually going to buy at public exchanges and then didn't 1043173;1425589620;asciilifeform;this would result in exchange rate failing to to climb, but how would it lead to a drop ? 1043174;1425589634;asciilifeform;*siphons off demand if 1043175;1425589790;mike_c;the price drops as supply exceeds demand (in a macro sense). if you believe that draper, silbert, etc. represented demand, and that the demand would have eventually made its way to the exchanges even if not directly 1043176;1425589833;mike_c;then the absence of that demand would suppress the price. whether this leads to flat, falling, or only "not rising as much" price 1043177;1425589839;asciilifeform; price drops as supply exceeds demand << this is like finding a corpse and declaring 'he died from not breathing' 1043178;1425589855;mike_c;depends on how much other demand there is 1043179;1425589856;asciilifeform;yes, it's rather obvious, but interested in mechanics 1043180;1425589901;danielpbarron;aren't there 3.6k coins found every day that need to find a new home or else a miner can't pay his electricity bill? 1043181;1425589930;mike_c;that depends on who you ask. some will say that miners mine specifically to get nice clean coins and aren't selling to pay bills. 1043182;1425589963;asciilifeform;^ that was my theory (though quite likely it's a formula obvious to many folks) 1043183;1425589966;danielpbarron;what is a clean coin? i thought there is no taint in bitcoin 1043184;1425589970;mike_c;others say that the big miners don't have to worry about paying electricity bills.. 1043185;1425589997;mike_c;as has been more or less proven in here before, the big miners aren't buying KNC/bitmain/whoever rigs. 1043186;1425590021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00038968 = 4.0916 BTC [-] {2} 1043187;1425590062;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1043188;1425590066;gribble;Current Blocks: 346316 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 435 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 34 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47085869256.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.86002 1043189;1425590068;asciilifeform;afaik nothing whatsoever is publicly known about the 'big miners' other than approximate hash output. 1043190;1425590104;mike_c;"nothing whatsoever". If hash power goes up by an order of magnitude more than the output of the minig rig manufacturers, something is known. 1043191;1425590112;asciilifeform;other than this. 1043192;1425590130;asciilifeform;alternatively, the output figures are bullshit 1043193;1425590150;mike_c;like KNC is underreporting their sales? 1043194;1425590162;asciilifeform;and one or more quietly produced a great many units which do not publicly exist except for their hash 1043195;1425590715;asciilifeform;;;ticker 1043196;1425590717;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.25, Best ask: 270.46, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 270.47, 24 hour volume: 55311.03169349, 24 hour low: 262.0, 24 hour high: 275.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1043197;1425590745;asciilifeform;;;calc 270.25 * 3600 1043198;1425590747;gribble;972900 1043199;1425590767;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: aren't there 3.6k coins found every day that need to find a new home or else a miner can't pay his electricity bill << ^ quite a bill 1043200;1425590972;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what is a clean coin? i thought there is no taint in bitcoin << but there is in fiat. 1043201;1425590997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00038793 = 5.1789 BTC [-] 1043202;1425591011;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: for an american gasenwagen, it is theoretically enough that you moved $int from your bank account to a known btc exchange at some point 1043203;1425591016;danielpbarron;well they aren't paying their electric bills directly in bitcoin.. yet 1043204;1425591037;asciilifeform;where the coins are, the victim will reveal himself when the soldering iron warms up 1043205;1425591246;thestringpuller;moar alf poetry 1043206;1425591256;thestringpuller;the book of alf 1043207;1425591257;jurov;felipelalli: About coinbr.com, what happens if my account stay negative "forever"? << eventually coinbr will ask you to cover the unpaid fees, otherwise some assets get liquidated in, say, 12 months 1043208;1425591279;jurov;i could not be arsed to do it yet 1043209;1425591459;felipelalli;Thank you jurov! :) So, the only way to "pause" the fees when our account is kind of inactive is selling all assets and removing the account? Is it possible to remove an account and keep the assets? 1043210;1425591494;asciilifeform;felipelalli: Is it possible to remove an account and keep the assets << if you bought an mpex account... 1043211;1425591512;felipelalli;asciilifeform: I'd imagine that. :( 1043212;1425591513;mike_c;;;calc 0.19 * 12 * [ticker --last] 1043213;1425591515;gribble;636.1428 1043214;1425591517;thestringpuller;mpex account is actually much more expensive than coinbr 1043215;1425591520;mike_c;;;calc 0.019 * 12 * [ticker --last] 1043216;1425591521;gribble;63.61428 1043217;1425591523;asciilifeform;naturally 1043218;1425591527;thestringpuller;;;calc 30 / 0.019 1043219;1425591528;gribble;1578.94736842 1043220;1425591537;thestringpuller;;;calc 1578.94 / 12 1043221;1425591537;gribble;131.578333333 1043222;1425591541;jurov;are these bitcents really such a problem? 1043223;1425591547;thestringpuller;^- the years it would take to pay off mpex account 1043224;1425591550;thestringpuller;on coinbr 1043225;1425591556;thestringpuller;coinbr is remarkable deal 1043226;1425591557;asciilifeform;jurov: they sure are for me, for example 1043227;1425591578;asciilifeform;it means that the machine isn't fire&forget 1043228;1425591585;asciilifeform;and you have to somehow come up with new btc once in a while 1043229;1425591594;felipelalli;So, it is fun to play in MPEx and CoinBR only if you are really rich! :) Not my case right now, yet. 1043230;1425591601;mike_c;$5 / month is rich? 1043231;1425591608;asciilifeform;felipelalli: congrats on coming to this conclusion quickly and painlessly 1043232;1425591619;asciilifeform;mike_c: yes, rich, if it's 5 in plutonium 1043233;1425591625;jurov;not yet. unpaid fees just accumulate, not even that if you get any dividends 1043234;1425591628;felipelalli;well, if I buy like $10 in assets, if I pay $5 / month I am making a bad deal, right? 1043235;1425591635;mike_c;yes 1043236;1425591649;danielpbarron;lol @ $10 in assets 1043237;1425591672;jurov;it's what you do with fiat assets? to ask broker to manage $10 woth of them? 1043238;1425591677;jurov;*worth 1043239;1425591683;*;asciilifeform doesn't have broker either 1043240;1425591683;thestringpuller;LOL $10 in assets 1043241;1425591684;felipelalli;well! That's why I am saying I cannot play yet! :) I'm investing hard in my business, I can't invest hard in MPEx assets yet right now. 1043242;1425591697;thestringpuller;felipelalli: you're missing out 1043243;1425591718;danielpbarron;you can always make a bitbet bet 1043244;1425591720;thestringpuller;also mpex is probably safest place to store bitcoin 1043245;1425591739;asciilifeform;^ i never grokked this argument 1043246;1425591746;thestringpuller;??? 1043247;1425591748;asciilifeform;in either case, lose your key, lose the coin 1043248;1425591752;asciilifeform;(which is as it ought to be) 1043249;1425591752;thestringpuller;oh 1043250;1425591764;jurov;anyway i plan the possiblity to loan everything to coinbr, with dividend payments directly to your address 1043251;1425591777;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: well I keep my private key in a back up in a tube up my but 1043252;1425591779;thestringpuller;t 1043253;1425591784;jurov;no fees, but your assets would be available only 30 days after calling or so 1043254;1425591799;jurov;similar like i do for qntra people 1043255;1425591818;jurov;who haven't asked me otherwise 1043256;1425591859;felipelalli;jurov: like a "pause"? 1043257;1425591895;jurov;you can see it as pause 1043258;1425591897;jurov;yes 1043259;1425591919;felipelalli;that would be great. But $5 / mo worth it, I thought it was more expensive, don't know why. I'll continue to pay that even without big investments yet. 1043260;1425591934;*;BingoBoingo doesn't see why jurov shouldn't get paid for "fire and forget" Could be a one time fee much larger than the monthly fee. 1043261;1425591971;mike_c;it *is* fire and forget. he doesn't liquidate you if you have unpaid fees 1043262;1425591975;felipelalli;jurov: maybe a year plan would be nice as well. 1043263;1425591977;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that would be essentially reselling mpex account at cost, no ? 1043264;1425592019;felipelalli;mike_c: yes. now I think jurov is too much nice. :D 1043265;1425592025;danielpbarron;i'd hate to see things get too user friendly up in here :p 1043266;1425592062;jurov;don't worry, when i finally implement these loans, i'll start nagging 1043267;1425592067;danielpbarron;or else every "homo reddicus" with $10 will end up spamming the orderbook 1043268;1425592109;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Or simply selling access to his proxy for a fixed price option. Maybe in the range of 5-20% of what the mpex account costs, so still an intege BTC price in this hypothetical. 1043269;1425592123;felipelalli;jurov: chasing bad payers? lol 1043270;1425592135;jurov;and it isn't a big sum anyway 1043271;1425592142;jurov;felipelalli: but really, you'd give up your ability to trade online for such "free account"? 1043272;1425592163;felipelalli;danielpbarron: it isn't $ 10, it was just an exaggeration. I guess I have more than $ 100 there. 1043273;1425592169;jurov;you're ok with 30day delay? 1043274;1425592192;mike_c;coinbr glacier :) 1043275;1425592201;jurov;haha 1043276;1425592224;felipelalli;jurov: the point is that I don't want to "trade online", I don't have time for that. I just want to buy MPEx or QNTRA for example and let there, sleeping. 1043277;1425592245;felipelalli;jurov: I'm OK with 60 or 90 days delay. 1043278;1425592261;jurov;orly. even better for me. 1043279;1425592281;thestringpuller;cause he can lend your shares without your permission 1043280;1425592282;thestringpuller;jkjk 1043281;1425592303;jurov;thestringpuller that's exactly what i do have in mind 1043282;1425592319;felipelalli;aahahah, I allow. He can make fractional reserve. If this pay my fee. 1043283;1425592339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00039 = 2.34 BTC [+] {2} 1043284;1425592400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.03833099 = 3.8331 BTC [-] {6} 1043285;1425592647;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: if homo redditicus were only a problem because 'spamming the orderbook', that would be another thing. a bot could theoretically 'vacuum up the chump money' and that's that. But - they, as i understand, spam support lines, public fora, and overall poison the atmosphere in ways not outweighed by the pennies they bring in 1043286;1425592708;asciilifeform;(n00bs can read my original article reviewing mpex, containing summary of mircea_popescu's material on above subject - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108 ) 1043287;1425592710;assbot;Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMeIPc ) 1043288;1425592738;*;danielpbarron nods 1043289;1425592741;mike_c;that's the point of coinbr though. they pay jurov for the right to harrass him 1043290;1425592766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00038225 = 5.428 BTC [-] 1043291;1425592785;mike_c;people call charles schwab, not NYSE, when they have a problem. 1043292;1425592827;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 325 @ 0.0125 = 4.0625 BTC [+] {2} 1043293;1425592828;asciilifeform;i kinda wonder why poor folks are even interested in mpex (or, for that matter, schwab) 1043294;1425592858;mike_c;same reason as havelock. buy a few shares and you feel a part of something big. 1043295;1425592869;asciilifeform;mike_c: religion? ok 1043296;1425592884;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1043297;1425592884;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0BBSCR8.txt ) 1043298;1425592888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15463 @ 0.00038225 = 5.9107 BTC [-] 1043299;1425592922;asciilifeform;(i, for instance, wasn't interested at all until invited to write a review, using free demo. which i did. and in the course of said demo, realized that i've not particularly much to -do- with such a thing, on account of having approximately no coin) 1043300;1425592953;asciilifeform;because i don't so much go in for religion 1043301;1425593035;asciilifeform;if you have hundreds, thousands of coin - yes, it is very interesting 1043302;1425593095;danielpbarron;it can be interesting with as little as .. 5 .. 10 coins 1043303;1425593109;asciilifeform;not if your time is worth anything 1043304;1425593138;mike_c;some people enjoy it 1043305;1425593159;asciilifeform;hard to argue with that. there are 'some people' who enjoy just about anything. 1043306;1425593171;mike_c;yeah, some like ada :D 1043307;1425593201;*;asciilifeform is at this moment actively unenjoying the ada 1043308;1425593206;mike_c;there's nothing wrong with taking a few btc and playing around on coinbr as a way to learn more about btc finance world. 1043309;1425593216;asciilifeform;sure 1043310;1425593221;asciilifeform;as amusement park - works. 1043311;1425593240;danielpbarron;asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file 1043312;1425593251;asciilifeform;^ precisely 1043313;1425593262;asciilifeform;i can - and do - play this game privately on occasion 1043314;1425593263;mike_c;if you have 3 btc, and you just doubled it to 6 in the recent qntra surge, you probably are quite happy with yourself. 1043315;1425593268;asciilifeform;without paying anyone anything 1043316;1425593288;asciilifeform;mike_c: for folks who like to gamble - straight to the dice games 1043317;1425593305;ben_vulpes;"but trading isn't gamblinggggg!" 1043318;1425593308;mike_c;why not gamble on a +EV game? 1043319;1425593319;asciilifeform;for folks who can reliably turn x into 2x - they already have mpex accounts, aren't reading this 1043320;1425593345;ben_vulpes;and how'd you know that, asciilifeform? 1043321;1425593354;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: conjecture. 1043322;1425593371;mike_c;maybe they not only are reading this, they are writing it! :) 1043323;1425593398;mike_c;in reality, nobody can reliably turn x into 2x. 1043324;1425593406;mike_c;at least not more than a couple time 1043325;1425593423;asciilifeform;incidentally, anyone ever try the exercise of writing a 'pefect knowledge' bot that tells you 'what could have been' ? 1043326;1425593444;asciilifeform;as in, the maximum one could have hoped to earn on coinbr in a particular time interval starting with x btc 1043327;1425593456;asciilifeform;(this is actually np-complete, but one can find approximations) 1043328;1425593492;mike_c;this requires non-public knowledge 1043329;1425593498;asciilifeform;how? 1043330;1425593501;mike_c;like what the order book looked like across time 1043331;1425593503;asciilifeform;we're talking about historical data 1043332;1425593519;asciilifeform;mike_c: technically yes 1043333;1425593530;asciilifeform;but again can approximate, roughly, solely with price history, no ? 1043334;1425593550;asciilifeform;folks with a clue - comment, would the result have any useful connection with reality ? 1043335;1425593554;mike_c;depends on liquidity.. maybe for mpoe. even there, not really 1043336;1425593569;mike_c;well, I not only have a clue, i have the order book history :) 1043337;1425593575;asciilifeform;for small enough x, market has full depth at all times, no? 1043338;1425593624;asciilifeform;is depth really a concern for infinitesimal working sum ? 1043339;1425593648;mike_c;infinitesimal, no. but then you're 'perfect knowledge' bot isn't going to make so much anyway 1043340;1425593664;asciilifeform;mike_c: it will give you an x and x', where x' > x 1043341;1425593685;mike_c;mm, not quite. because order book could have been better than price history at times 1043342;1425593715;mike_c;bid climbs up, then down, then sale happens. if you had sold at higher bid you would have done better than 'perfect info' bot 1043343;1425593719;asciilifeform;understand, interested here in 'theoretical best' of what a smart person with almost no funding could achieve 1043344;1425593735;asciilifeform;you would have done better than 'perfect info' bot << impossible by definition 1043345;1425593749;asciilifeform;'perfect info bot' is this abstract thing. a god. 1043346;1425593761;mike_c;ok, but that's what i'm saying. the god needs non-public info 1043347;1425593797;asciilifeform;even for determining what x' is for x=0.01 btc ? 1043348;1425593848;*;asciilifeform can already picture how - if the 0.01 were enough to 'move between equivalence classes' in the orderbook 1043349;1425593870;*;jurov rolls eyes 1043350;1425593883;mike_c;i'll leave it at this - you will come up with a number that is just as useful with public info as you would with non-public info. 1043351;1425593885;jurov;bitbet is certain to make 7% dividend next month 1043352;1425593896;jurov;to buy it does not need any perfect bot 1043353;1425593906;jurov;but nobody does 1043354;1425593913;mike_c;bitbet dividend = rand() 1043355;1425593916;asciilifeform;i merely suspect that no one, not even a god, could 'get rich' at 'investing' pocket change at mpex 1043356;1425593922;danielpbarron;lol mike_c 1043357;1425593928;jurov;mike_c: have you read the last report? 1043358;1425593929;danielpbarron;sure feels that way 1043359;1425593945;jurov;so, nobody even reads the fkn reports 1043360;1425593947;mike_c;jurov: just a poke at the frequency of dividend mistakes on that asset :) 1043361;1425593948;asciilifeform;(unless someone noticed that he's a god, and gave him a bag of coin for lulz. but that's outside the rules of the gedankenexperiment!) 1043362;1425593952;jurov;and they want to have" perfect bots" 1043363;1425594016;asciilifeform;(unlike 'redditicus' the impossibility doesn't irritate me in the slightest, i have other things in life to play with) 1043364;1425594135;asciilifeform;jurov: bitbet is certain to make 7% dividend next month.. to buy it does not need any perfect bot.. but nobody does << this is because time is worth something 1043365;1425594162;mike_c;well, plus he is incorrect. monthly volume is over 1% of total shares. 1043366;1425594163;asciilifeform;calculate, how much coin would i need to have on hand for it to be worth the effort in getting a coinbr account and making the gears go correctly 1043367;1425594230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 8051 @ 0.00018861 = 1.5185 BTC [+] {5} 1043368;1425594240;jurov;well. avg s.mpoe dividend is about 100 satoshi 1043369;1425594241;ben_vulpes;more effective to not do it and just buy btc. 1043370;1425594269;jurov;;;calc 0.2*100000000/100 1043371;1425594270;gribble;200000 1043372;1425594294;jurov;damn 1043373;1425594296;jurov;;;calc 0.02*100000000/100 1043374;1425594297;gribble;20000 1043375;1425594306;jurov;^ this many shares you need to stay even 1043376;1425594325;jurov;;;calc 20000*0.0004 1043377;1425594325;gribble;8 1043378;1425594327;asciilifeform;there we go. 1043379;1425594352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2620 @ 0.00038225 = 1.0015 BTC [-] 1043380;1425594366;asciilifeform;'The Third Rock From The Sun can hold an atmosphere and your piece of cosmic flotsam can’t.' (from my article) 1043381;1425594391;asciilifeform;gravity works this way, and so do other things. 1043382;1425594436;jurov;nad you'd be fine with 90day delay to access them, too? 1043383;1425594439;jurov;*and 1043384;1425594459;asciilifeform;jurov: nope. i'm not the least bit interested in low-frequency trading 1043385;1425594471;asciilifeform;takes away what little point there is, no? 1043386;1425594478;jurov;and what you are interested in? 1043387;1425594486;asciilifeform;escape rocket 1043388;1425594505;asciilifeform;(but i know that it isn't happening with trading, because i'm not an idiot, so i don't trade) 1043389;1425594512;jurov;well, that's not my business 1043390;1425594526;asciilifeform;didn't mean to imply that it was. 1043391;1425594572;asciilifeform;or that jurov's gizmo doesn't function exactly as printed on crate. 1043392;1425594615;jurov;can you pls explain the issue? 1043393;1425594648;asciilifeform;no issue, just the fact that i personally don't have any jobs for which coinbr is the right tool 1043394;1425594657;asciilifeform;the folks subscribing - presumably have reasons 1043395;1425594666;asciilifeform;i just cannot know what they are. 1043396;1425594696;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 84.8305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,110. 1043397;1425594698;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 28.65000237 BTC. Current weight: 68,632. 1043398;1425594947;jurov;*stunned silence* 1043399;1425595007;jurov;i'm trying to make do under some constraints, which i explained several time here 1043400;1425595013;jurov;*times 1043401;1425595038;asciilifeform;i think i understand how coinbr works, and why 1043402;1425595054;asciilifeform;but i don't know who the users are and what motivates them 1043403;1425595071;jurov;having thousands of chumps pounding on on mpex accounts is just unthinkable, hence the fees. 1043404;1425595078;jurov;*on one mpex account 1043405;1425595078;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043338 << it is when your strategy works mostly based on depth 1043406;1425595078;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:13:44; asciilifeform: is depth really a concern for infinitesimal working sum ? 1043407;1425595078;asciilifeform;aha 1043408;1425595160;*;adlai not sure if he counts as a 'folks with a clue' 1043409;1425595176;asciilifeform;jurov: would you say that the 'thousands of chumps' are using your gizmo instead ? 1043410;1425595192;*;asciilifeform has no idea re: coinbr user stats 1043411;1425595206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6119 @ 0.00038007 = 2.3256 BTC [-] {2} 1043412;1425595275;jurov;they could be using my gizmo only if it worked as boiler room 1043413;1425595276;*;adlai notes to self to offer asciilifeform a seat on the escape rocket, should the clue ever be proven 1043414;1425595327;asciilifeform;jurov: i think i get what you mean 1043415;1425595346;adlai;specifically, scalpl's purpose is to produce the fastest possible escape rocket for a given (parametrizable) risk tolerance; once that technology is in place, it's just a matter of finding a market for which the maximum speed at your risk tolerance exceeds escape velocity 1043416;1425595414;asciilifeform;adlai: see earlier discussion about what 'carnot efficiency', if you'll allow the analogy, is for scalpl (or any similar machine) 1043417;1425595425;adlai;!s carnot from:asciilifeform 1043418;1425595425;assbot;4 results for 'carnot from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=carnot+from%3Aasciilifeform 1043419;1425595432;asciilifeform;not mentioned by name earlier 1043420;1425595444;asciilifeform;but trying to compare to the well-known thermodynamic optimum for an engine 1043421;1425595468;asciilifeform;adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043325 << thread starting here 1043422;1425595468;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:10:23; asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone ever try the exercise of writing a 'pefect knowledge' bot that tells you 'what could have been' ? 1043423;1425595498;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043164 << coins have moved on the blockchain, although it's trivial to fake this - if you control the coins. 1043424;1425595498;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:54; mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question? 1043425;1425595506;jurov;(parametrizable) risk tolerance << and this is solved problem in finance? 1043426;1425595528;adlai;nope, but it's a problem that individuals can tackle for themselves 1043427;1425595563;asciilifeform;it's simply an elementary fact that you can't +ev your way 'from rags to riches' unless you know something other folks don't 1043428;1425595694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 8000 @ 0.00018125 = 1.45 BTC [+] {2} 1043429;1425595755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2683 @ 0.0003914 = 1.0501 BTC [+] 1043430;1425595760;adlai;the 'perfect knowledge' bot - are you using the word 'perfect' to suggest that it knows what _will_ happen? 1043431;1425595778;adlai;because that is pure masturbation 1043432;1425595878;adlai;there's a lot of interesting knowledge in the distribution of expected liquidity events given all other data on the market, but it's far from 'perfect', because it gives you, at best, a precisely calculated distribution of 'past performance' 1043433;1425595964;asciilifeform;adlai: yes, 'knows what will' 1043434;1425595969;asciilifeform;adlai: and no, not pure masturbation 1043435;1425595972;asciilifeform;any more than carnot cycle is 1043436;1425596013;asciilifeform;it tells you (or would, if could be written, but the most you can hope for is an approximation, as the problem - even with all the necessary data - is np-complete) the theoretical maximum that could have been achieved 1043437;1425596019;asciilifeform;against which to measure the actuality. 1043438;1425596042;asciilifeform;sorta like the 'x % kills' (what fraction of the monsters you dealt with) shown at the end of a 'doom' level 1043439;1425596110;punkman;I don't think carnot cycle is a good analogy here 1043440;1425596182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00037559 = 4.6949 BTC [-] {2} 1043441;1425596434;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 89.8305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,075. 1043442;1425596451;adlai;calling this 'np-complete' is like calling ftl drive research 'expensive' 1043443;1425596493;adlai;the information isn't just hard to attain, it doesn't exist 1043444;1425596555;adlai;"market will go up" is different from "joe impulse trader will press the button once he sees N flashing numbers", and 'perfect information' requires the latter, which is for all practical purposes, random 1043445;1425596617;adlai;more personally, if perfect information exists, scalpl is truly a wild goose chase; i'm betting my time on perfect information not existing, and there being room for patience to profit off information fuzzyness 1043446;1425596909;adlai;gathering and interpreting actual information is a totally different story, and there's a huge amount of information that most/all human traders totally *ignore*, and that's as mike_c said - past order book movements 1043447;1425597237;thestringpuller;!gettrust friedcat 1043448;1425597237;assbot;friedcat is not registered in WoT. 1043449;1425597265;*;adlai is not surprised 1043450;1425597341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9336 @ 0.00038768 = 3.6194 BTC [+] {2} 1043451;1425597342;adlai;asciilifeform: 'x % kills' << this would be a totally meaningless epsilon for any 'perfect information bot' that actually acts on that information 1043452;1425598074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00039239 = 4.434 BTC [+] {2} 1043453;1425598134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00040062 = 8.8537 BTC [+] {3} 1043454;1425598195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00040226 = 2.6348 BTC [+] 1043455;1425599152;cazalla;look like indiana jones' number might be up 1043456;1425599191;cazalla;or han solo depending on your preference 1043457;1425599461;mircea_popescu;what's that mean ? 1043458;1425599495;BingoBoingo;Oh, is Harrison Ford kicking the bucket soon? 1043459;1425599514;cazalla;i hate to link to it, but.. http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/05/harrison-ford-plane-crash-landing-golf-course-santa-monica/ 1043460;1425599516;assbot;Harrison Ford -- Plane Crashes ... Actor Seriously Injured | TMZ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1aOovK8 ) 1043461;1425599549;mircea_popescu;o.O 1043462;1425599561;mircea_popescu;cessna nailgun 1043463;1425599713;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042949 ehehehe 1043464;1425599713;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 11:47:57; assbot: Russian Lawmaker: Bitcoin is a CIA Conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fd7rXE ) 1043465;1425599722;mircea_popescu;who is this, zhirinovsky ? 1043466;1425599763;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042955 << their argument rests on some random schmuck who went in the field to "Study" it, introduced some seeds, claimed to have discovered the resulting plants and woe and behold, a redditard mattered! 1043467;1425599763;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 12:47:00; punkman: flooding a nice forest probably not the best idea, but their argument rests on lousewort?! 1043468;1425599772;mircea_popescu;i think it's unseemly that they should be further encouraged. 1043469;1425599795;mircea_popescu;the sooner they lose all hope the sooner their children can begin tearing up redditardamerica and building a livable space north of rio grande. 1043470;1425599844;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu aha you're quite right about the scytales. a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves. 1043471;1425599895;mircea_popescu;yup 1043472;1425599909;mircea_popescu;greeks, way ahead of romans and their spawn ONCE AGAIN 1043473;1425599919;mircea_popescu;they had the atomic theory, they had the steam engine, they had the works. 1043474;1425599952;pete_dushenski;atomic theory i knew, but steam engine ?! 1043475;1425599975;mircea_popescu;yup 1043476;1425599976;pete_dushenski;and the romans were empire builders, not philosophers 1043477;1425599999;mircea_popescu;look into hero of alexandria 1043478;1425599999;pete_dushenski;they had philosophers, but that's a different thing 1043479;1425600030;mircea_popescu;(aeolipile) 1043480;1425600074;pete_dushenski;"The aeolipile was a hollow sphere mounted so that it could turn on a pair of hollow tubes that provided steam to the sphere from a cauldron. The steam escaped from the sphere from one or more bent tubes projecting from its equator, causing the sphere to revolve. The aeolipile is the first known device to transform steam into rotary motion." 1043481;1425600089;pete_dushenski;well waddya know! 1043482;1425600092;cazalla;got another retweet for the bits for tits trilema post.. this time by a bitcoin magazine for women.. ah ha, they don't even read, just retweet 1043483;1425600120;mircea_popescu;lol 1043484;1425600135;cazalla;of course, i'm working on the assumption these are lefties who would be grossly offended at such an idea but you never know.. 1043485;1425600143;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-february-2015-statement/ 1043486;1425600148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00040568 = 9.3915 BTC [+] {4} 1043487;1425600152;mircea_popescu;ftr, actual lefties aren't offended at nudity. 1043488;1425600170;adlai;what's this about graphing curves? 1043489;1425600187;mircea_popescu;the weirdo abominable us "lefties", which are really a sort of recycled aunt pollies, yes. 1043490;1425600188;pete_dushenski;adlai greek scytales 1043491;1425600190;*;adlai has been visualizing his way along https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6jTFxQaUJA 1043492;1425600191;assbot;ECCHacks - A gentle introduction to elliptic-curve cryptography [31c3] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1aOq8Yt ) 1043493;1425600196;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, a lefty commune more likely to be nude than otherwise. 1043494;1425600209;adlai;sure, i know what scytales are. but 'a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves.' = ? 1043495;1425600235;pete_dushenski;adlai do i misunderstand how scytales work ? 1043496;1425600239;cazalla;mircea_popescu, aren't the us lefties the type of lefties behind bitcoin wimminz day anyway 1043497;1425600258;mircea_popescu;gotta ask 'em, cazalla. whadda i know >D 1043498;1425600344;cazalla;the other leftie type being.. amir/hippy types living in a hovel engaging in drug fuelled orgies? 1043499;1425600351;adlai;pete_dushenski: could be. scytales just rearrange the 'packets' of a message, whereas modern crypto jumbles the data within 1043500;1425600377;pete_dushenski;" the scytale, consisted of a tapered baton around which was spirally wrapped a piece of parchment inscribed with the message. When unwrapped the parchment bore an incomprehensible set of letters, but when wrapped around another baton of identical proportions, the original text reappeared. " 1043501;1425600422;adlai;it just changes the order of the letters 1043502;1425600436;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042989 < http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160812 1043503;1425600436;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 16:51:02; ben_vulpes: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/ << moar on google breaking the internet 1043504;1425600438;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQPr2V ) 1043505;1425600446;pete_dushenski;adlai being ignorant of the difference between rearranging packets and jumbling, can you expand ? 1043506;1425600455;mircea_popescu;cazalla most of israel was built by lefties. 1043507;1425600482;mircea_popescu;adlai "packets" "data within", what is this, we make up words day ? 1043508;1425600574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00040817 = 4.694 BTC [+] 1043509;1425600664;pete_dushenski;also, who needs scoopbot when I'm here anyways : http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/05/the-fashionability-of-being-uncompetitive-because-reasons/ 1043510;1425600666;assbot;The fashionability of being uncompetitive. Because Reasons. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1aOrOB6 ) 1043511;1425600699;adlai;pete_dushenski: let's say scytale diameter is em/2Ï€, ie the message has six 'rows', and each sextet of letters on the wrapped paper corresponds to a column 1043512;1425600744;adlai;the scytale cipher is equivalent to drawing a long table with six rows (adding columns as needed), and writing out the message to fill the column; then all the letters are jumbled. but the letters remain unchanged 1043513;1425600765;adlai;it leaks information about the message content, even if you don't get the full thing 1043514;1425600785;mircea_popescu;adlai you are making assumptions about the length of the parchment. 1043515;1425600786;jurov;so what. should have used klein bottles or such. 1043516;1425600803;adlai;what assumptions? 1043517;1425600815;mircea_popescu;it could be 2700 stadies for all you know 1043518;1425600839;mircea_popescu;;;calc .185 * 2700 1043519;1425600840;gribble;499.5 1043520;1425600847;mircea_popescu;500km. wow check me out, i can estimate! 1043521;1425600861;pete_dushenski;lol 1043522;1425600940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10222 @ 0.00040817 = 4.1723 BTC [+] 1043523;1425600941;pete_dushenski;wait, where's 0.185 from ? 1043524;1425600952;asciilifeform;adlai: the information isn't just hard to attain, it doesn't exist << the bot is not for use! it's a theoretical construction, like carnot cycle 1043525;1425600978;mircea_popescu;there's ~185 meters in a stadion 1043526;1425601009;mircea_popescu;(the thing you folks call stadium in english an' stadion in french :) ) 1043527;1425601037;pete_dushenski;o estadio ! 1043528;1425601038;asciilifeform;scytales... ecdsa << if this analogy is accurate, woe be unto ecdsa users. you can crack scyrale with a physical contrivance analogous to an engorging cock 1043529;1425601061;pete_dushenski;depends on one's.... capacity 1043530;1425601072;pete_dushenski;not everyone packs a salami for lunch 1043531;1425601073;jurov;if the "perfect bot" ends up with less then complete monopoly, then it's non-prefect by definition 1043532;1425601102;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only if it's fixed taper. 1043533;1425601124;jurov;unless we can endlessly argue that monopoly is not optiomal outcome for its owner 1043534;1425601165;jurov;the boundary is now carnot cycle but complete pwnage 1043535;1425601171;jurov;*not carnot cycle 1043536;1425601173;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if can vary taper between min and max of what opponent could have used - then yes 1043537;1425601191;asciilifeform;jurov: nobody's getting a monopoly off epsilon btc 1043538;1425601201;asciilifeform;jurov: which is why the gedankenexperiment was specifically about epsilon 1043539;1425601223;jurov;in 2009 there was only epsilon 1043540;1425601225;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what i mean is, that you need the volume to be defined by the same angle all around the center. ie, you need a baton that can be turned. whereas in practice they'd use unturned batons. 1043541;1425601226;jurov;notyhing else 1043542;1425601247;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu asciilifeform could also be variable taper 1043543;1425601257;mircea_popescu;it's what i said o.O 1043544;1425601260;asciilifeform;i doubt that they varied the taper 1043545;1425601269;mircea_popescu;ever seen the item itself ? 1043546;1425601269;asciilifeform;take a table leg, a length of photo film, and experiment 1043547;1425601277;mircea_popescu;no, table length is turned. 1043548;1425601289;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i'm slow.. 1043549;1425601292;asciilifeform;only ever saw modern reproductions of scytale 1043550;1425601297;asciilifeform;not having been to ancient sparta in person 1043551;1425601325;mircea_popescu;all the ones i've seen were asymmetrical. 1043552;1425601333;asciilifeform;http://crypto.di.uoa.gr/ec13puzzle/Eurocrypt_2013_-_puzzle_page/background_files/IMG_4749.jpg 1043553;1425601334;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQRhB3 ) 1043554;1425601341;asciilifeform;i see it 1043555;1425601363;mircea_popescu;crpto, 3k years ago as today : if naively implemented, trivial. if not... well.... ahem. 1043556;1425601411;asciilifeform;still crackable with a rubber cock that inflates while second variable is expansion of one end (use an aperture, like camera) 1043557;1425601428;mircea_popescu;yes, but the problem becomes similar to "crack this otp" 1043558;1425601435;mircea_popescu;"sure. i can crack it any way you want me to" 1043559;1425601437;asciilifeform;more like cracking a rotor 1043560;1425601461;mircea_popescu;more like cracking rsa : for the techology they had at the time, absolute security. 1043561;1425601466;asciilifeform;as adlai pointed out, there is ample info bounding the possible plaintexts available in the ciphertext 1043562;1425601476;asciilifeform;for their time - if they worked it correctly - yes 1043563;1425601490;mircea_popescu;only if you assume the pad is short and fixed length 1043564;1425601518;mircea_popescu;fixed distance i mean. if you have a 100 cm pad with 1 leter per cm, yes. 1043565;1425601532;mircea_popescu;if you have a 5km pad with 1 letter per 1.1 cm on average, from 1 to 2, then no. 1043566;1425601558;asciilifeform;incidentally, i love a good analogue 'stone-age' cryptomechanism. and not only for enciphering. consider the broken cup. 1043567;1425601572;mircea_popescu;right 1043568;1425601572;asciilifeform;authenticator, used even in ww2 1043569;1425601587;mircea_popescu;this, iirc, was the first use of glass 1043570;1425601592;mircea_popescu;they'd make a bead and crush it. 1043571;1425601600;asciilifeform;modern cryptowankers' parlance calls these 'physically unclonable function' 1043572;1425601632;asciilifeform;glass is still king, incidentally 1043573;1425601640;mircea_popescu;tup 1043574;1425601643;mircea_popescu;yup* 1043575;1425601644;asciilifeform;except don't have to break it, but expose to light 1043576;1425601657;asciilifeform;a kind of interferometric 'hash' 1043577;1425601658;adlai;the cool thing about nonphysical crypto is that you can generate unclonable objects together with a physically separated party 1043578;1425601677;asciilifeform;adlai: ? 1043579;1425601690;adlai;shared secret generation 1043580;1425601697;asciilifeform;what's the unclonable part ? 1043581;1425601750;pete_dushenski;adlai the cool thing about everything nonphysical is... its nonphysicality ;) 1043582;1425601781;asciilifeform;when i used word 'unclonable' - that's meant literally. as in, no one will produce a matching half of that broken glass 1043583;1425601786;asciilifeform;even if they'd much like to 1043584;1425601794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10384 @ 0.00039901 = 4.1433 BTC [-] 1043585;1425601801;asciilifeform;with any existing or foreseeable tech 1043586;1425601806;adlai;i guess everything's clonable, so that's the wrong analogy to make; physical unclonable items would be used for authentication ('thing is as i remember it'), shared secrets are used for secure communication 1043587;1425601812;asciilifeform;(there are edges a few atoms thick, in there) 1043588;1425601836;mircea_popescu;adlai> i guess everything's clonable, << what's this, progress hour ? 1043589;1425601929;mircea_popescu;http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160795 << lawl i like this guy. 1043590;1425601931;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQSnwx ) 1043591;1425601977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25936 @ 0.00040536 = 10.5134 BTC [+] {2} 1043592;1425602160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00037772 = 8.5742 BTC [-] {3} 1043593;1425602221;asciilifeform;^ re: linked article << 'embrace & extinguish' 1043594;1425602245;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043090 <<< me is blown away at kakobrekla's immense fan expertise. 1043595;1425602245;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 19:46:13; kakobrekla: heres a few of the more interesting pwm ones; http://shrani.si/f/3M/2d/4N2Jzpz2/profiles.png 1043596;1425602267;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, that entire "oh, let's use someone else's stuff because it's stuff and why not" thing is dead. 1043597;1425602280;mircea_popescu;they have shat the stick, so to speak. no further usage of anything unless it's in the wot. 1043598;1425602281;asciilifeform;'free cheese is found in mousetraps' 1043599;1425602282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 85 @ 0.03812376 = 3.2405 BTC [-] {5} 1043600;1425602292;mircea_popescu;be it google or apple, it can fucking rot. everything will have to be reimplemented. 1043601;1425602301;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as "not evil" us corps. 1043602;1425602323;asciilifeform;there are also impotent, and also dead ones 1043603;1425602338;asciilifeform;as americans used to say 'good indians are in the cemetary' 1043604;1425602351;mircea_popescu;sure. but as a matter of principle, the naive 1990s hippy "here's a thing i found, i am using it now" thing jumped the shark. 1043605;1425602380;asciilifeform;it's rather like those kids in ru who make a hobby of collecting mementoes from old battlefields 1043606;1425602390;mircea_popescu;will make "get big fast" fucking impossible to get revenue on, because all the customers you want are not going by marketing. 1043607;1425602392;asciilifeform;every so often, 'oooh coool',... 'bang' 1043608;1425602404;asciilifeform;if you aren't a sapper - find another hobby 1043609;1425602408;mircea_popescu;and it'll make it fucking impossible fgor all the retarded "Women in internet" to make a living at their usual scams, marketing, pr, whatever. 1043610;1425602412;mircea_popescu;but... them's the breaks. 1043611;1425602465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 116 @ 0.012 = 1.392 BTC [-] 1043612;1425602547;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043133 << wut ?! ozone is pretty much the number 1 reducer of organic matter. 1043613;1425602547;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 20:32:25; jurov: ^ as per above, it does not affect organic molecules. just numbs the smell cells, I guess. 1043614;1425602603;mircea_popescu;dumbass epa. from the link : 1043615;1425602605;mircea_popescu;"The same chemical properties that allow high concentrations of ozone to react with organic material outside the body give it the ability to react with similar organic material that makes up the body, and potentially cause harmful health consequences. When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs (see - "Ozone and Your Health")." 1043616;1425602628;asciilifeform;oxidizer not reducer 1043617;1425602636;mircea_popescu;obviously, the reference is broken, because "We recently updated AIRNow.gov". and apparently they think this is how you say "we've recently brokenb airnow.gov" 1043618;1425602644;asciilifeform;unless 'reducer' was meant in the ordinary, rather than chemist's, sense 1043619;1425602649;mircea_popescu;i am certainly not taking any advice from these morons. 1043620;1425602660;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ordinary. makes them shorter. 1043621;1425602686;mircea_popescu;the smelly parts are particularly susceptible, incidentally. both aromatics and sulphide types. 1043622;1425602700;asciilifeform;the linked crap has the basic idea, ozone works as well on the meat as on whatever you're fumigating against 1043623;1425602707;asciilifeform;don't sit and be gassed when fumigating. 1043624;1425602722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the idea is to treat air with ozone in an ozone trap. 1043625;1425602728;mircea_popescu;not to pump ozone into the atmosphere. 1043626;1425602740;asciilifeform;the linked thing was about machines that do precisely the latter 1043627;1425602749;asciilifeform;commonly sold in gringolandia as cure-alls 1043628;1425602785;mircea_popescu;yes well, the epa idiocy was not finding the room, among very usefully distinctive verbiage like "Healthy people, as well as those with respiratory difficulty, can experience breathing problems when exposed to ozone.", to specify this 1043629;1425602808;mircea_popescu;it's you know... kinda important. seeing how they didn't title it "a particularly braindamaged misimplementation of ozone air purifying" 1043630;1425602834;asciilifeform;if somebody wants to dig up the warning from 1920s (mentioned briefly in the modern usg one) would be interesting to read. 1043631;1425602843;asciilifeform;and almost certainly shorter 1043632;1425602845;mircea_popescu;tbh, i don't know there exists material more intellectually objectionable than the shit pouring out of the usg. 1043633;1425602848;mircea_popescu;reminds me of the damned soviets. 1043634;1425602883;mircea_popescu;"USG - Army Of One, And They're All Retarded" 1043635;1425602884;asciilifeform;they didn't have cut&paste 1043636;1425602900;asciilifeform;modern usg has many advantages in bullshit production over predecessors 1043637;1425602914;mircea_popescu;all but a working head. 1043638;1425602963;asciilifeform;(the soviets also didn't have microshit 'word', which helps illiterates to play-pretend by turning them into a kind of cyborg meat-assisted shannonizer) 1043639;1425602976;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1043640;1425602984;mircea_popescu;they were stuck to formulaics instead. 1043641;1425603000;asciilifeform;the total intellectual load placed on chumps was considerably lighter 1043642;1425603013;asciilifeform;most folks with any kind of brain at all, just ignored the slogans when off the clock 1043643;1425603028;asciilifeform;biggest shared 'in joke' in the world 1043644;1425603033;asciilifeform;usa - no such luck 1043645;1425603078;mircea_popescu;The Express? ill-defined sources appear to want to tell a story about SIGINT succeeded rather then explain how it is that SIGINT failed (at least accor ding to the story getting told publicly).' << doh. 1043646;1425603136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 833 @ 0.012 = 9.996 BTC [-] 1043647;1425603141;mircea_popescu;here's the long and the short of this story : you got two whores, just like in the chemistry and agriculture story. one's whomint, the other's slutmint. you gotta fuck either one or the other. they both have very specific, life altering constraints. 1043648;1425603162;mircea_popescu;if you decide to fuck whomint, where the fuck is harry poter fanfic boy going to find money to pay for his groceries ? 1043649;1425603174;mircea_popescu;he'll have to fucking walk on streets and talk to people and non-aspie shit like that. 1043650;1425603185;mircea_popescu;he'd rather swallow a fistful of thumbtacks. 1043651;1425603218;mircea_popescu;so you're stuck with slutmint. no matter what fucking happens, it's going to have been a story about how "we" definitely need more slutmint, and all the time and resources spent in the past on slutmint was a good idea. 1043652;1425603221;mircea_popescu;tis what it is. 1043653;1425603262;asciilifeform;thought it was more mundane mechanism, where you absolutely must have elint for totalitarian control of the english world, where stoolie culture was not already well developed 1043654;1425603270;mircea_popescu;we got slutmint and yekutzky can go on writing about what gangrene said to liberty valance or w/e. 1043655;1425603273;asciilifeform;(and at any rate feels too much like work) 1043656;1425603290;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform imo this is entirely a subjective problem. 1043657;1425603319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23299 @ 0.0003713 = 8.6509 BTC [-] {3} 1043658;1425603330;mircea_popescu;just like the retarded 17yo who thinks she's a supermodel perceives peoiple walking down the street as "her audience", the redditard generation will perceive everything as sigint rules. because... that's the only thing they can do. 1043659;1425603376;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "it doesn't work" ? this presumes an alt-universe in which there are alternatives, so things could not work. the world they inhabit knows no such thing, and so... of course it works. 1043660;1425603420;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or they were trying to solve a different problem: 1043661;1425603445;asciilifeform;say, actually have every table and chair with microphone that sets off alarms if someone mutters a dissenting thought under his breath 1043662;1425603452;asciilifeform;no more festering resentment, as in soviet times 1043663;1425603465;asciilifeform;not that this is actually possible, necessarily, but -thinkable- 1043664;1425603470;asciilifeform;and that's enough for the buggers 1043665;1425603476;asciilifeform;that it's... thinkable. 1043666;1425603478;mircea_popescu;your first doesn't lead to your second, so which do i admit, the first or the sercond ? 1043667;1425603510;asciilifeform;they want to solve the problem of turning man into livestock 1043668;1425603541;mircea_popescu;that's a generous problem to solve, seeing how the part that'll ever get solved was never not solved, and the rest isn't happening. 1043669;1425603565;asciilifeform;didn't say it would happen, but the allure is irresistible to them 1043670;1425603581;mircea_popescu;nonsense. 1043671;1425603595;mircea_popescu;you're looking at a cat and seeing love. it's just a cat. 1043672;1425603620;asciilifeform;it's a hungry leopard 1043673;1425603628;asciilifeform;and 'loves' the delicious flesh. 1043674;1425603631;mircea_popescu;only if you're chicklet sized. 1043675;1425603682;mircea_popescu;the very notion that the us has any sort of purpose, not even conscious or expressible, but any sort whatsoever is ridiculous on its face. it has all the purpose of a shambling headless zombie. which is why they're stuck trying to invent nonsense, "women and gayz! anti pedo!!" etc. 1043676;1425603694;mircea_popescu;it's the exact equivalent of german kids that are "anti nazi". orly ? 1043677;1425603710;mircea_popescu;a tad late for that show. 1043678;1425603771;asciilifeform;thinking of the still-living flesh now, not the gangrenous 1043679;1425603773;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043158 <<< plenty. 1043680;1425603773;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 21:01:23; mike_c: There isn't much doubt that they took ulbricht's coins, right? 1043681;1425603796;asciilifeform;nsa, the fed, the nameless ones (tm), et al - are not run by the pheminist antinazi wtf crowd. 1043682;1425603798;mike_c;but the coins are moving. how does that work? 1043683;1425603820;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043160 << the basis is that they made some claims, about selling coins, and then failed to deliver on the coiuns they alleged to sell. 1043684;1425603820;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:00; mike_c: i understand the theory :) I don't get the basis. 1043685;1425603831;mircea_popescu;this is exactly identical to bfl delivering miners, with USMS playing the role of inaba. 1043686;1425603846;mircea_popescu;coins move all the time. 1043687;1425603887;mircea_popescu;anyway, the onus is not on observers to explain the usg. the usg made some claims, which were in due time proven false. 1043688;1425603895;mircea_popescu;which they ignored. 1043689;1425603926;mircea_popescu;sure, it's "not been 100% proven as a scam". this however isn't the criteria. you lie, you get caught, you're fucked. 1043690;1425604081;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043164 << emphatically no. 1043691;1425604081;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:54; mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question? 1043692;1425604088;cazalla;clinton ran own mail server, who knew lol http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b78ba433af3a45209668f745158d994c/clinton-ran-homebrew-computer-system-official-emails 1043693;1425604091;assbot;House committee subpoenas Clinton emails in Benghazi probe ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmZ0yC ) 1043694;1425604091;mircea_popescu;the blockchain is not an evidentiary record for third parties. 1043695;1425604166;mircea_popescu;"The development on Capitol Hill came the same day The Associated Press reported the existence of a personal email server traced back to the Chappaqua, New York, home of Clinton. The unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official running her own email server would have given Clinton — who is expected to run for president in the 2016 campaign — significant control over limiting access to her message archives." 1043696;1425604176;mircea_popescu;derp. emails still travel in plaintext, and this is the sigint we get ? 1043697;1425604196;asciilifeform;exactly the same way btc tx travels in plaintext 1043698;1425604206;asciilifeform;clinton, etc. don't expect to lose anything if it gets out 1043699;1425604215;asciilifeform;because, to the extent is valuable - nonattributable 1043700;1425604243;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1043701;1425604245;asciilifeform;if tomorrow we get a 'leaked' clinton email where clitler reveals that she is medusa and can kill with headsnakes - what will change ? 1043702;1425604258;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ? 1043703;1425604284;pete_dushenski;or is doesn't matter what she claims ? 1043704;1425604300;asciilifeform;'respectable' mouthpieces won't touch the subject 1043705;1425604309;asciilifeform;it'll be like the 9/11 crap. 1043706;1425604330;asciilifeform;'xxxxx.' 'you're a nutter, go away' 1043707;1425604347;pete_dushenski;well, clinton isn't the wtc 1043708;1425604353;pete_dushenski;far from it. 1043709;1425604385;pete_dushenski;she's a distraction at best and a fallguy at worst 1043710;1425604404;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043230 << yeah srsly, etrade is iirc 30 1043711;1425604404;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 21:40:01; mike_c: $5 / month is rich? 1043712;1425604406;pete_dushenski;but hey, let's see her run and find out 1043713;1425604425;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's rich if it's denominated in plutonium! 1043714;1425604447;mircea_popescu;she's definitely the more intellectually capable husk they got floating around. who else, jeb, bush's retarded brother/cousin/sister in law ? 1043715;1425604462;asciilifeform;don't forget the other obama 1043716;1425604533;mircea_popescu;the other obama is not really qualified to run kim's shoe boutique. 1043717;1425604544;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i seem to recall you saying something to the effect of 'old women in power are the fucking worst' 1043718;1425604552;pete_dushenski;is hillary exempt from this ? 1043719;1425604569;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski not my country, whadda i care. she's still the only not braidamaged runner so far. 1043720;1425604601;ben_vulpes; asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ? << a good reason to use usg mailservers and own your keys 1043721;1425604626;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu except she's not running... yet. 1043722;1425604631;mircea_popescu;yeah. right. 1043723;1425604631;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: point was that these folks live in a perverse sandbox world where it literally doesn't matter what happens 1043724;1425604641;mircea_popescu;which is why the democrats have alternatives. because she's not running. 1043725;1425604654;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform 'the show must go on!' 1043726;1425604663;asciilifeform;as orlov pointed out 1043727;1425604671;asciilifeform;they don't care if they win a war, lose a war, here&there 1043728;1425604702;asciilifeform;it's a very long road (or so they think) to hitler's bunker and 'headsoff.com' being filmed on washington streets 1043729;1425604703;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu repblicans don't exactly 'have alternative', much less plural 1043730;1425604743;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu and i'd still bet a nickel on the republicans 1043731;1425604772;pete_dushenski;dems might take even longer shot because ya, doesn't much matter. 1043732;1425604800;cazalla;pete_dushenski, pretty sure she can't announce nomination until such and such a date.. part of what made the bitbet bet's that clinton and rand would announce last year an easy win 1043733;1425604804;pete_dushenski;might as well make an interesting ballot pairing of two people noone has ever heard of 1043734;1425604807;ben_vulpes; which is why the democrats have alternatives. because she's not running. << implying she might run in 8 years? 1043735;1425604829;pete_dushenski;cazalla aha 1043736;1425604843;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes lol when she's 80 1043737;1425604851;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: srs 1043738;1425604880;ben_vulpes;76, but whatever. 1043739;1425604886;ben_vulpes;77? 1043740;1425604894;ben_vulpes;42! 1043741;1425604901;pete_dushenski;that's the secret 1043742;1425604908;ben_vulpes;answer. 1043743;1425604998;pete_dushenski;kinda like 'where's osama's body?' 1043744;1425605014;pete_dushenski;actually, osama's body is much like these usms auctions 1043745;1425605042;pete_dushenski;many promises, only hollywood 'evidence' 1043746;1425605059;pete_dushenski;'we made a movie and it won an oscar so history happened!' 1043747;1425605068;*;adlai wonders what evidence you're expecting to see of the auctions 1043748;1425605079;asciilifeform;or the body 1043749;1425605087;asciilifeform;(does each u.s. citizen get a small piece?) 1043750;1425605096;pete_dushenski;to taste, yes 1043751;1425605101;pete_dushenski;like the wooly mammoth 1043752;1425605168;pete_dushenski;and since osama is basically the usg's religious messiah, come to save it from internal destruction by providing an external enemy, why not make a whole church service around him 1043753;1425605179;pete_dushenski;offering up his 'body and blood' 1043754;1425605518;pete_dushenski;adlai 'the winner' getting out of dodge and never looking back would do. 1043755;1425605537;pete_dushenski;otherwise, wtf is wrong with their heads. 1043756;1425605621;pete_dushenski;so barring that much braindamage in a single vessle, we should see silbert or whoever packing their bags for rio de janeiro 1043757;1425606161;adlai;it's a problem, the people who frequent such yardsales probably like hanging around the yard 1043758;1425606491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7868 @ 0.00036272 = 2.8539 BTC [+] {2} 1043759;1425606552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25732 @ 0.00038164 = 9.8204 BTC [+] {2} 1043760;1425606613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7968 @ 0.00038297 = 3.0515 BTC [+] 1043761;1425607029;asciilifeform;for some reason nobody mentioned the ugliest thing about ada 1043762;1425607037;asciilifeform;the 200k helloworld. 1043763;1425607058;danielpbarron;i ordered that "bible" you mentioned 1043764;1425607075;asciilifeform;pragma No_Run_Time; 1043765;1425607075;asciilifeform;with Interfaces.C; use Interfaces.C; 1043766;1425607075;asciilifeform;procedure Hello is 1043767;1425607075;asciilifeform;procedure Puts (Str : Char_Array); 1043768;1425607075;asciilifeform;pragma Import (C, Puts, "puts"); 1043769;1425607076;asciilifeform;begin 1043770;1425607078;asciilifeform;Puts ("Hello, World!"); 1043771;1425607080;asciilifeform;end Hello; 1043772;1425607082;asciilifeform;^ 6k on my box 1043773;1425607084;asciilifeform;but you can see how this cheats. 1043774;1425607113;asciilifeform;(both numbers refer to stripped elf's on an x86-64 box) 1043775;1425607148;mats;i managed to make ~60% ROI in the 13 months ive had a coinbr account 1043776;1425607155;mats;thanks jurov 1043777;1425607158;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: you will have a real bitch of a time learning the language from the standard and justification docs, if that's what you were thinking of doing 1043778;1425607162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4671 @ 0.00040988 = 1.9145 BTC [+] 1043779;1425607237;danielpbarron;not sure what i was thinking except that i like the chapter:verse thing 1043780;1425607253;danielpbarron;sounds like the book is timeless or something / probably a good investment 1043781;1425607276;asciilifeform;all serious technical docs 'written for the ages' ought to be in that format. 1043782;1425607287;danielpbarron;mats, was 60% enough to make up for the drop in USD/BTC price? 1043783;1425607360;danielpbarron;i found a used one for 60 USD (the new is twice that) and impulsively added it to another order i had pending 1043784;1425607387;mats;no, i bought a majority of it at 800 BTCUSD 1043785;1425607389;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: make sure it describes at least the '95' variant 1043786;1425607393;asciilifeform;at the earliest 1043787;1425607440;danielpbarron;mats, so your "gains" were really just you helping out the fiat traders / at least it beat buying bitcoin and doing nothing with it 1043788;1425607475;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, i searched for the code you mentioned in here, and yeah it says 95 in the title or whatever 1043789;1425607505;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: there are four adas - 83, 95, 2005, 2012 1043790;1425607538;mats;yes, thats the downside to having imperfect information 1043791;1425607547;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, http://www.amazon.com/dp/3540693351/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_asp_tErxI.1VXP299 1043792;1425607549;assbot;Amazon.com: Ada 2005 Reference Manual. Language and Standard Libraries: International Standard ISO/IEC 8652/1995(E) with Technical Corrigendum 1 and Amendment 1 ... / Programming and Software Engineering) (9783540693352): S. Tucker Taft, Robert A. Duff, Randall L. Brukardt, Erhard Ploedereder, Pasca ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdeOgX ) 1043793;1425607563;danielpbarron;ah apparently i got the 2005 one 1043794;1425607572;asciilifeform;get the 'rationale' too 1043795;1425607576;asciilifeform;that's the one with chapter & verse 1043796;1425607592;asciilifeform;or rather, they both have it 1043797;1425607604;asciilifeform;but error messages (in verbose mode) cite rationale, iirc 1043798;1425607614;decimation;aren't those all published on the internet? 1043799;1425607622;asciilifeform;decimation: they are 1043800;1425607627;asciilifeform;i assumed he likes dead tree 1043801;1425607700;asciilifeform;http://comp.lang.ada.narkive.com/vnn86krY/size-of-linked-program-increasing-with-new-version-of-gnat << mega-flamew4r 1043802;1425607702;assbot;Size of linked program increasing with new version of GNAT. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bdfkvo ) 1043803;1425607908;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043281 << it's actually how brokerages work irl. 1043804;1425607908;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 21:51:43; jurov: thestringpuller that's exactly what i do have in mind 1043805;1425607928;mircea_popescu; "implying she might run in 8 years?" << no, being facetious. 1043806;1425607937;mircea_popescu;it's plain obvious she's the democrat candidate. 1043807;1425607938;decimation;asciilifeform: the wisdom I've picked up from my own experiments and reading about yours is that it seems the ada compiler you choose is critical 1043808;1425607955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6218 @ 0.00040946 = 2.546 BTC [-] 1043809;1425608009;mircea_popescu;"18* adlai wonders what evidence you're expecting to see of the auctions" << complete misstatement of the situaiton. read the logs. search for "foia" might help 1043810;1425608027;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YrA1zuD2 << fucking scammerz 1043811;1425608028;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bdgozi ) 1043812;1425608041;*;mircea_popescu is mildly offended at this "i will persist in being a redditard" attitude, for the record. 1043813;1425608056;asciilifeform;decimation: i tested on both available compilers, the foundation's and the gnu 1043814;1425608061;asciilifeform;decimation: same result 1043815;1425608080;asciilifeform;decimation: i did not test on any closed-source compiler because they don't exist on the planet i choose to live on 1043816;1425608089;thestringpuller;why is everyone complaining about ada 1043817;1425608104;thestringpuller;2 beers in and a few exercises this is not bad .jpeg 1043818;1425608108;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: because there is not actually an alternative to ada 1043819;1425608121;asciilifeform;and i think i'm the only one actually talking about it, for the most part 1043820;1425608152;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you have reignited my love for computers again 1043821;1425608159;thestringpuller;despite your pessimism :D 1043822;1425608171;*;asciilifeform wonders how 1043823;1425608187;mircea_popescu;fun fact : elf does not contain a windows byte. netbsd, linux, system v etc. 1043824;1425608213;asciilifeform;why would it ? 1043825;1425608217;asciilifeform;microshit wasn't at the table 1043826;1425608220;asciilifeform;which is as it ought to be 1043827;1425608261;mircea_popescu;not saying it should, merely pointing it out :D 1043828;1425608344;decimation;wasn't it well known that microsoft stole the bsd IP stack for windows NT? 1043829;1425608352;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i love old microshit tho. found a copy of 3d studio R1 from 1990, and it runs on ms dos 1043830;1425608360;thestringpuller;it's slightly poetic. 1043831;1425608364;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what's that got to do with microshit? 1043832;1425608365;thestringpuller;TRON style i 'spose 1043833;1425608371;mircea_popescu;lol mats made 60% bringing his losses to only 60%. 1043834;1425608373;asciilifeform;'3d studio' was an 'autodesk' product 1043835;1425608386;asciilifeform;ran in protected mode, too, using no actual msdos api 1043836;1425608387;thestringpuller;that runs on microshit dos 1043837;1425608389;thestringpuller;lol 1043838;1425608408;*;asciilifeform spent what must have been a whole year playing with it as a kid 1043839;1425608408;thestringpuller;i can't bring myself to hate on DOS 1043840;1425608425;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: dos was not, properly speaking, a microshit product 1043841;1425608426;asciilifeform;stolen. 1043842;1425608438;mircea_popescu;unlike which ? 1043843;1425608448;decimation;yeah it was a stolen reimplemenation of cp/m as i recall 1043844;1425608463;mircea_popescu;pretty much 1043845;1425608474;thestringpuller;i thought even windows and nt were "stolen" 1043846;1425608500;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043293 << for the exact reason george costanza once pointed out. "it's there" 1043847;1425608500;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:00:28; asciilifeform: i kinda wonder why poor folks are even interested in mpex (or, for that matter, schwab) 1043848;1425608524;adlai;!s foia 1043849;1425608525;assbot;40 results for 'foia' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=foia 1043850;1425608531;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043306 << ahahaha zing 1043851;1425608531;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:06:11; mike_c: yeah, some like ada :D 1043852;1425608592;mircea_popescu;http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160814 << sweet innocence. 1043853;1425608594;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bdii30 ) 1043854;1425608613;mircea_popescu;if one is willing to take this tack, i wonder why one's not going the whole nine yards and throwing out the keyboard. 1043855;1425608620;mircea_popescu;"I JUST WANT THE COMPUTER TO FUCKING WORK!!!1" 1043856;1425608680;decimation;mircea_popescu I thought you were just making a point about "I use this thing and it works" is so 90's 1043857;1425608701;mircea_popescu;the entire "i want government to just work by itself and let me to my affairs" has worked splendidly in the us, 70s to 2000s. 1043858;1425608704;decimation;apparently jwz wants to live in the past 1043859;1425608728;mircea_popescu;not the past, as this never existed, but a magical future where things work by themselves in the way ~you~ want them to. 1043860;1425608741;decimation;in exchange for nothing, mind 1043861;1425608745;mircea_popescu;the crowning nonsense of all nonsense, seriously. why is it not obvious that if you give up agency you also give up... agency ? 1043862;1425608746;adlai;he seems to want free tech support 1043863;1425608753;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this ancient fallacy has a name: 'dwim' 1043864;1425608768;adlai;asciilifeform: are you familiar with dwimlisp? 1043865;1425608778;mircea_popescu;right. 1043866;1425608787;asciilifeform;adlai: aha 1043867;1425608848;mircea_popescu;http://dwimperl.com/ 1043868;1425608849;assbot;DWIM Perl - the Perl distribution that contains everything you'll ever need ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdjdAo ) 1043869;1425608856;mircea_popescu;since im in a ftr mood apparently. 1043870;1425608883;asciilifeform;dwim is the shortest possible summary of how illiterate folks imagine programming 1043871;1425608892;asciilifeform;or engineering in general 1043872;1425608894;mircea_popescu;!s babbage 1043873;1425608895;assbot;6 results for 'babbage' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=babbage 1043874;1425608919;asciilifeform;'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' 1043875;1425608929;decimation;apparently jwz's main business is running a club now 1043876;1425608942;asciilifeform;decimation: that's where he parked his 'escape rocket' 1043877;1425608951;mircea_popescu;yeah he has a disco in la he's been fighting the gobmint forever over. 1043878;1425608951;adlai;(for the curious/brave - http://dwim.hu (requires javascript and much searching as it's impossible to link into this 'website')) 1043879;1425608953;asciilifeform;i have always had a mild dislike for jwz and was never able to articulate why 1043880;1425608967;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why ? 1043881;1425608974;decimation;asciilifeform: he strikes me as a washed-up do-o-crat 1043882;1425608996;mircea_popescu;iirc he started out as a lisp hacker. 1043883;1425608996;asciilifeform;possibly because only fact i knew about him was him being involved in the dotcom bubble and being responsible for the steaming crock of shit that is netscape, and, by implication, the entire shit soup of www standards 1043884;1425609004;mircea_popescu;uh. 1043885;1425609014;adlai;he forked xemacs from gnu 1043886;1425609018;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: almost all american programmers of a certain age once wrote lisp of some description 1043887;1425609023;mircea_popescu;the www soup is scarcely to be pinned on one man, and if one man were to be found it's likely not this one. 1043888;1425609036;asciilifeform;getting rich off netscape feels vaguely unsavoury in my book 1043889;1425609040;mircea_popescu;why ? 1043890;1425609054;adlai;jws was an employee at netscape 1043891;1425609060;adlai;rather junior one 1043892;1425609064;decimation;well, for one thing they stole mosaic 1043893;1425609077;asciilifeform;anyway, not really pissing on the man in earnest here 1043894;1425609099;asciilifeform;just confessing that my overall burning hatred for the time, place, and culture in which he became rich & famous spills onto him. 1043895;1425609133;mircea_popescu;i liked the 90s! 1043896;1425609154;mircea_popescu;i may even go so far as to say i liked the 90s sv o.O 1043897;1425609166;asciilifeform;if i were to learn that he made his nightclub seed money by executing contract hits, rather than at netscape, i'd like him considerably more 1043898;1425609193;adlai;he did piss off stallman 1043899;1425609202;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043311 << "moving the market", in professional language "slippage" is not a desirable phenomenon but the bane of all existance. 1043900;1425609202;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:07:20; danielpbarron: asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file 1043901;1425609206;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm sure the denizens liked it also. but as al said, 'first ecstasy, then laundry.' we're living with the results of '90s sv. 1043902;1425609222;decimation;adlai: it's probably impossible to do something positive to emacs without pissing off stallman 1043903;1425609233;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's somewhat like saying that 'engineers hate friction' 1043904;1425609235;mircea_popescu;or anything else for that matter. 1043905;1425609254;asciilifeform;not exactly false, but no mechanical device would function if friction did not exist 1043906;1425609261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform slippage is not friction, slippage is your lab getting hit by earthquakes. 1043907;1425609277;asciilifeform;but what if the lab is not a lab, but a bomb whose entire purpose is to trigger earthquake 1043908;1425609279;mircea_popescu;"how the fuck am i supposed to do any scioence in here!111" 1043909;1425609292;mircea_popescu;that is the EXACT feeling it evokes in financeheads. 1043910;1425609302;adlai;i'm not sure the constructive uses of friction have any parallel either... beyond maybe as a cost of manipulation (when you don't control the tape) 1043911;1425609336;*;asciilifeform is not aware of any successful instances of 'moving market', other than brute affairs like buterin's waterfall or the earlier and better-known gold price suppression scheme 1043912;1425609348;mircea_popescu;netscape is a fine example. 1043913;1425609355;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: buterin's waterfall is leaky tho. 1043914;1425609434;adlai;asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday 1043915;1425609436;assbot;Silver Thursday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdkVBV ) 1043916;1425609439;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you will remember we're discussing markets here. the phenomenon of alleged "prices" in a situation where the government is the largest economic actor is laughable anyway. 1043917;1425609449;asciilifeform;^ 1043918;1425609451;decimation;moldbug has a post about why central banks spend most of their time trying to figure out how to not move the market 1043919;1425609458;mircea_popescu;any system where taxes exceed maybe 6 or 7% is de facto a command economy, 1043920;1425609464;mircea_popescu;generally a very poorly implemented one 1043921;1425609496;thestringpuller;i would love to be taxed at 7% 1043922;1425609506;thestringpuller;my God what country is that?!? 1043923;1425609530;danielpbarron;a sim city still set to defaults 1043924;1425609539;trinque;!b 3 1043925;1425609539;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NED0VT.txt ) 1043926;1425609540;thestringpuller;danielpbarron is my all time favorite person now 1043927;1425609557;thestringpuller;the funny thing is 1043928;1425609558;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what country << generally, the 'orc world' where laws aren't actually enforced unless you piss people off 1043929;1425609565;thestringpuller;that if 7% is still too high for high wealth sims 1043930;1425609584;thestringpuller;like seriously, high wealth sims are only happy at like 4% 1043931;1425609598;thestringpuller;your cities fill up with poor people >7% 1043932;1425609622;danielpbarron;i could never get everyone happy even when i used to glitch to get "MAXINT" currency units 1043933;1425609655;thestringpuller;keep typing FUNDS. QE infinity. 1043934;1425609657;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/01/greg_page_on_fo.html > "And there have always been voices to let market signals determine how farmers planted their crops. Don't make people grow cotton just to maintain their base acres in the cotton program, when the world is crying out for more soybeans to feed itself." 1043935;1425609659;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdlQT2 ) 1043936;1425609661;asciilifeform;where i live, 40% is considered pretty good. 1043937;1425609679;thestringpuller;this is how I imagined QE though, some d00d at Fed typing "FUNDS FUNDS FUNDS" over again on his computer. 1043938;1425609690;decimation;asciilifeform: that's not even counting the fact that usd in your 'savings' account is continually thieved 1043939;1425609695;asciilifeform;decimation: aha 1043940;1425609706;asciilifeform;speaking just of old-fashioned taxes 1043941;1425609707;thestringpuller;401k is a scam 1043942;1425609713;thestringpuller;and enron ruined pensions for everyone 1043943;1425609725;asciilifeform;good thing i don't expect to live to pension age 1043944;1425609735;decimation;I was just looking at the 'mid-cap value' fund from vanguard 1043945;1425609740;asciilifeform;(nor, in general, should other u.s. folks, unless they're already very old) 1043946;1425609742;decimation;the 'value' forward p/e was 30! 1043947;1425609766;thestringpuller;asciilifeform that is depressing! 1043948;1425609790;decimation;asciilifeform: what are you gonna do? withdraw your retirement with penalty and move to mexico? 1043949;1425609803;asciilifeform;decimation: what made you think i have anything to withdraw ? 1043950;1425609835;decimation;asciilifeform: surely you get paid a little extra 1043951;1425609851;thestringpuller;asciilifeform contribute 0 1043952;1425609856;thestringpuller;per paycheck 1043953;1425609864;thestringpuller;instead his retirement is held in cyborgs and robots 1043954;1425609868;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i don't even work at a place where they ask the question any more 1043955;1425609892;thestringpuller;so you are pretty much robot worker? 1043956;1425609902;asciilifeform;? 1043957;1425609918;thestringpuller;employer treats you like thing and not person 1043958;1425609926;asciilifeform;neh, sorta the opposite 1043959;1425609928;asciilifeform;but contractor 1043960;1425609932;asciilifeform;these get paid in money 1043961;1425609939;trinque;asciilifeform: even the fall of the soviet union didn't kill off all the former soviets 1043962;1425609940;asciilifeform;(what passes for money in this part of the world) 1043963;1425609948;trinque;what do you think is going to kill us off? 1043964;1425609953;asciilifeform;trinque: read orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' to learn why the analogy does not apply 1043965;1425609958;trinque;k 1043966;1425609962;asciilifeform;trinque: know that no one in the ussr needed to pay rent 1043967;1425609967;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: hey you're the one who can't spend benjies without setting off alarms. 1043968;1425609983;thestringpuller;i'm doing just fine with my duffelbag full of cash here. 1043969;1425609987;asciilifeform;trinque: (a token sum was collected, but no one could be evicted for any reason short of death or having new digs in prison) 1043970;1425609999;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i don't get paid in benjies 1043971;1425610017;thestringpuller;my employer said this is totally normal tho! 1043972;1425610024;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: but, like most folks in my profession, in 'legit' electric bzollarz 1043973;1425610059;asciilifeform;for a 'legit' firm, that keeps a single set of books and files taxes, etc 1043974;1425610069;thestringpuller;that 1099 1043975;1425610085;asciilifeform;aha 1043976;1425610086;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.zillow.com/blog/rents-up-not-where-you-expect-170427/ < rents in the us are nearly 10% YoY in some cities 1043977;1425610088;assbot;Rents Are Up, and Not Where You Might Expect | Zillow Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nnjffr ) 1043978;1425610098;*;asciilifeform is aware that we're probably boring the folks outside the u.s. zoolag to tears 1043979;1425610110;thestringpuller;so tru story: buddy from high school was telling me about d00d who was a drug dealer but setup "consulting" llc for "professional coaching" 1043980;1425610128;thestringpuller;d00d would just sell high end weed, and claim it as "consulting services" and would tax that 1043981;1425610140;thestringpuller;ended up retiring before 40 1043982;1425610144;trinque;sure, "computer repair" 1043983;1425610171;thestringpuller;d00d even made invoices for his recurring clientelle 1043984;1425610176;thestringpuller;pretty sure no one went to jail 1043985;1425610184;trinque;yeah, I'm referring to a former friend of mine 1043986;1425610193;trinque;"on site computer repair" bullshit 1043987;1425610209;asciilifeform;laundries are as old as the state itself 1043988;1425610234;thestringpuller;you can still go to jail for tax evasion 1043989;1425610277;thestringpuller;US just wants their cut (not like it helps since we are bankrupt) 1043990;1425610286;trinque;well... "bankrupt" 1043991;1425610294;asciilifeform;incidentally, you will not necessarily go to jail - but the duffel bag - will. 1043992;1425610297;asciilifeform;if ever 'caught' 1043993;1425610304;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i kno rite?!? 1043994;1425610315;thestringpuller;so there is new drug unit in west georgia now 1043995;1425610325;thestringpuller;soul purpose is collecting those duffelbags 1043996;1425610335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5029 @ 0.00040988 = 2.0613 BTC [+] 1043997;1425610347;thestringpuller;in fact it is richest police unit in that county 1043998;1425610370;asciilifeform;wait till they switch from plain static robbery to racket 1043999;1425610380;asciilifeform;as always happens in a collapsing police state 1044000;1425610390;thestringpuller;http://www.sheriff.douglas.ga.us/find.html << it is more of racket now me thinks 1044001;1425610409;thestringpuller;the "evidence" is probably auctioned off under the table somewhere 1044002;1425610440;thestringpuller;"The F.I.N.D. Unit has made forty-eight (48) traffic stops that resulted in the detection of bulk cash smugglers." 1044003;1425610452;thestringpuller;"The total amount of United States Currency seized from the stops is: $13,647,160" << they just want new toys 1044004;1425610517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00040519 = 5.9563 BTC [-] {2} 1044005;1425610527;asciilifeform;https://github.com/search?q=gnatelim&type=Code << who can find anything there which isn't a) word salad or b) part of gcc ? 1044006;1425610528;assbot;Search · gnatelim · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NnkATM ) 1044007;1425610540;asciilifeform;has gnatelim -ever- been fired in anger? 1044008;1425610542;asciilifeform;by anyone ? 1044009;1425610562;PeterL;mircea_popescu: Is F.DERP statement coming soon? 1044010;1425610654;*;asciilifeform was just ip-banned by 'github' for 'too many requests from your addr' 1044011;1425610663;asciilifeform;apparently no one actually reads it in earnest 1044012;1425610692;*;asciilifeform examines source of 'gnatelim' and it appears that it is only able to snip dead code that is -actually represented in your source- 1044013;1425610698;asciilifeform;why would you have dead routines in your own source? 1044014;1425610708;asciilifeform;severe head trauma in childhood ? 1044015;1425610840;mircea_popescu;PeterL being prepared. there's definitely going to be one. 1044016;1425610887;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 40% or 90% is purely a wordchoice matter, much like the zhim thing. 5%ish is where it matters. 1044017;1425610929;asciilifeform;aha, it's like the decision of how many thousand volts to use in electric chair 1044018;1425610941;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller> and enron ruined pensions for everyone << if only. "My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to i 1044019;1425610941;mircea_popescu;n his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on." 1044020;1425611005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00040327 = 8.7913 BTC [-] {2} 1044021;1425611112;adlai;found via reading orlov's Lessons >> http://dieoff.org/ 1044022;1425611114;assbot;OVERSHOOT LOOP: Evolution Under The Maximum Power Principle ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdrODl ) 1044023;1425611148;mircea_popescu;* asciilifeform was just ip-banned by 'github' for 'too many requests from your addr' << lmao. 1044024;1425611152;mircea_popescu;this takes the fucking cake, 1044025;1425611169;mircea_popescu;open source is safe because it's read by millions of eyes, which we ban. 1044026;1425611280;asciilifeform;was flipping through search results 1044027;1425611282;asciilifeform;of that crud 1044028;1425611293;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043334 << it would not. godel problem / surprise executio nproblem manifested for your convenience as slippage i guess. 1044029;1425611293;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:12:30; asciilifeform: folks with a clue - comment, would the result have any useful connection with reality ? 1044030;1425611317;*;asciilifeform suspected 1044031;1425611345;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for all the major differences between them and us, it occurs to me there's a very painfully obvious stylistical point : b-a.com doesn't have traffic tracking, github.com doesn't let you search. 1044032;1425611354;mircea_popescu;verrrrry deep this "minor point' 1044033;1425611364;asciilifeform;yet one or more optimal play variants must exist (in the sense the 'optimal' minimax game of chess exists. not in the sense that you could actually play that game or ever see so much as one move of it in life) 1044034;1425611374;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope. the notion of "optimal" is undefined. 1044035;1425611377;adlai;b-a.com doesn't log? 1044036;1425611388;adlai;(log itself, not the channel) 1044037;1425611395;mircea_popescu;adlai not iirc. 1044038;1425611402;mircea_popescu;!s don't keep logs 1044039;1425611403;assbot;1 results for 'don't keep logs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=don%27t+keep+logs 1044040;1425611429;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: defined as 'what bits would you send back in time to time T1, if you could, from time T2, to maximize profit from investing C coin' 1044041;1425611434;mircea_popescu;hm. it was discussed but i think long long ago, pre searchable stuff. 1044042;1425611452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this isn't a definition tho. 1044043;1425611464;mircea_popescu;"what would happen if it didn't happen ?" 1044044;1425611468;asciilifeform;it's an existence proof 1044045;1425611473;asciilifeform;say we limit the length of the string 1044046;1425611480;mircea_popescu;nope. you use in one phase symbols that don't exist of the other. 1044047;1425611495;asciilifeform;therefore one or more possible strings would result in max C' 1044048;1425611498;mircea_popescu;'(what bits would you send back in time to time T1), if you could, from time T2, (to maximize profit from investing C coin)' 1044049;1425611504;mircea_popescu;part 2 presumes part 1 doesn't exist. 1044050;1425611549;*;asciilifeform can see where mircea_popescu is going - 'no clockwork universe' - but a trading engine in sufficiently small time span does behave rather like a clockwork universe 1044051;1425611563;mircea_popescu;yes, it does, provided you don't take it out of there. 1044052;1425611568;mircea_popescu;but you're proposing to do exactly that. 1044053;1425611578;mircea_popescu;the moment you start doin this sort of thing it no longer behaves thusly. 1044054;1425611612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu doesn't 'believe in' infinitesimals either, does he 1044055;1425611619;mircea_popescu;to put this to intuition : suppose in the alt-universe where your microscopic trade happened, another trader happened to see it and panic. 1044056;1425611629;asciilifeform;'butterfly' ? 1044057;1425611630;asciilifeform;sure 1044058;1425611643;mircea_popescu;http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0060/6102/products/book_buy_sell_sell_new_1024x1024.jpg?v=1291137799 1044059;1425611645;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bdt9tO ) 1044060;1425611649;*;asciilifeform read time machine stories as a kid just like everybody else 1044061;1425611724;mircea_popescu;there are a number of hard rules of the world we inhabit, that children take some time to internalize. one is, of course, "move backwards through time" thing. what adolescent did not ponder this, wish it, etc. 1044062;1425611748;mircea_popescu;another is the complexity problem. the simple fact that once the father has said "i know shit", if he opens his mouth enough to say as little as some basic math, he's now wrong. 1044063;1425611753;mircea_popescu;they are of course related. 1044064;1425611760;adlai;When we differ, Charlie usually ends the conversation by saying: “Warren, 1044065;1425611762;adlai;think it over and you’ll agree with me because you’re smart and I’m right.†1044066;1425611771;mircea_popescu;in any event, all human folly is based on the failure to come to terms and trying to go through the wall. 1044067;1425611798;mircea_popescu;like, the complexity problem guarantees no government will ever succeed. yet who's deterred from "empirebuilding". 1044068;1425611825;mircea_popescu;the time direction thing never stopped anyone from thinking "hey, i could have done better!" or be bitter about how things turned out etc. 1044069;1425611841;asciilifeform;the mouse is only really alive because he tries to go through the glass bottle 1044070;1425611848;asciilifeform;at all times 1044071;1425611853;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but this is from cause. 1044072;1425611861;mircea_popescu;now look at it from the fallacious "purpose" perspective. 1044073;1425611867;mircea_popescu;is he alive because he... means to ? 1044074;1425611873;mircea_popescu;because he thinks he should have ? 1044075;1425611893;asciilifeform;does steam 'mean to' burst a boiler with plugged valve ? 1044076;1425611904;mircea_popescu;take this with a grain of salt, but here it is : 1044077;1425611913;asciilifeform;the 'purpose' thing is just a demented lens for viewing anything 1044078;1425611920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00040988 = 3.6889 BTC [+] 1044079;1425611966;mircea_popescu;at its core, the "optimal retrospective investment" problem is a nude and rude proposition to replace the action imperative ("mouse must escape or die in the act of trying") with an imaginary junk. ("it could have been"). this is not substantially different from what the usg does when it invents a new name for the homeless and pretends to have "resolved the problem". 1044080;1425611980;mircea_popescu;it "works" like all fatlogic works : because it's easier 1044081;1425612016;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, utter waste of time. 1044082;1425612064;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if waste of time, then what is the correct answer that machine like 'scalpl' is actually approximating when it grinds ? 1044083;1425612073;mircea_popescu;it doesn't exist. 1044084;1425612086;mircea_popescu;what is the correct code gcc approximates as it churns on cygwin ? 1044085;1425612093;asciilifeform;it provably exists 1044086;1425612105;asciilifeform;(not by demonstration. but by deduction) 1044087;1425612105;mircea_popescu;for as long as the proof is wrong, yes, it provably exists. 1044088;1425612109;mircea_popescu;right. 1044089;1425612125;mircea_popescu;the mere fact that you have such proof is sufficient proof that it is wrong. 1044090;1425612130;mircea_popescu;its mere presence suffices. 1044091;1425612192;asciilifeform;somewhat perverted understanding here 1044092;1425612194;mircea_popescu;far be it from me to diss fiction - the creation of "proofs" we know from the outset to be false and then their taking apart to examine where they stole our eyes is exactly shakespeare's trade. 1044093;1425612200;asciilifeform;is only non-provable in the general case 1044094;1425612206;mircea_popescu;but this is the general case. 1044095;1425612207;asciilifeform;for arbitrarily many specific cases - provable. 1044096;1425612220;asciilifeform;for trivial example, the shortest program which does nothing at all is ''. 1044097;1425612221;mircea_popescu;only if they don't include it. once you've included it... you've made it general. 1044098;1425612226;asciilifeform;works on most machines, even! 1044099;1425612235;mircea_popescu;lol 1044100;1425612239;mircea_popescu;no but see ? 1044101;1425612248;asciilifeform;for the original line of reasoning, see chaitin. 1044102;1425612265;mircea_popescu;looky here : for as long as you don't aim to use the "shortest program" thing for the purpose of attacking my statement, it is ok. 1044103;1425612271;mircea_popescu;once you do, you're fucked. "works on most machines" now. 1044104;1425612308;*;asciilifeform did carefully specify that the 'ideal play' is not actually findable 1044105;1425612325;asciilifeform;in the general case. 1044106;1425612338;mircea_popescu;well... chaitin and torkel should be refered together 1044107;1425612365;mircea_popescu;very naggum-ish character actually. except iirc swedish 1044108;1425612413;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043344 << hehe 1044109;1425612413;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:15:35; asciilifeform: you would have done better than 'perfect info' bot << impossible by definition 1044110;1425612475;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043343 << anyway, this is what triggered the discussion, and to move on to more practical considerations : 1044111;1425612475;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:15:19; asciilifeform: understand, interested here in 'theoretical best' of what a smart person with almost no funding could achieve 1044112;1425612506;mircea_popescu;making money is not a function of one's hard work and dilligence in the schoolhouse sense. 1044113;1425612541;asciilifeform;what - in the actual world people inhabit - *is* a function of it? 1044114;1425612542;mircea_popescu;making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not. 1044115;1425612565;mircea_popescu;if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet. 1044116;1425612590;mircea_popescu;otherwise, there are some classes of optimization problems ~once you're already rich~. 1044117;1425612591;asciilifeform;l0l 1044118;1425612600;mircea_popescu;but this is conservation. one does not acquire wealth except one single way 1044119;1425612601;asciilifeform;this is exactly how sov. textbooks described stock markets! 1044120;1425612618;mircea_popescu;and that is, joining the wot early, and helping set the world on fire. it. strictly it. 1044121;1425612637;mircea_popescu;the hoodlums trying to be drug lords in detroit have a lot more sense in this matter than the "business majors" coming out of harvard. 1044122;1425612644;mircea_popescu;(some of the latter get it, but rare is that bird). 1044123;1425612648;asciilifeform;'have low serial number on your party card' ? 1044124;1425612672;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, us had a much better view of the soviets than the soviets, and vice-versa. 1044125;1425612676;*;asciilifeform not convinced that the hoodlums have more 'sense' than the mouse in the bottle 1044126;1425612688;mircea_popescu;the mouse in the bottle is a superlative of sense. 1044127;1425612693;mircea_popescu;there's no more sense to be had. 1044128;1425612706;asciilifeform;sure there is. an ant can bite in milliseconds. 1044129;1425612715;asciilifeform;smaller nervous system, elementary 1044130;1425612725;mircea_popescu;so ? 1044131;1425612745;asciilifeform;the mouse thing is really about the virtues of not-thinking, no ? 1044132;1425612752;mircea_popescu;no ? 1044133;1425612787;mircea_popescu;it's about not spending your time writing fiction under the pretense of "thinking". the mouse excels at this. 1044134;1425612800;asciilifeform;in that he doesn't have anything like an accurate internal model of his situation, in the bottle 1044135;1425612806;mircea_popescu;but he does. 1044136;1425612814;asciilifeform;really? 1044137;1425612815;mircea_popescu;that's the thing. he does, more so than bill gates. 1044138;1425612832;asciilifeform;mouse understands glass better than the bird (recall the bird film i posted? also persistent beast, also against glass!) 1044139;1425612843;mircea_popescu;he doesn't understand the implementation details. but the situation, he understands just fine. 1044140;1425612864;asciilifeform;i'm quite unconvinced that the bird did 1044141;1425612881;mircea_popescu;prolly not. 1044142;1425612882;asciilifeform;(he was trying to get -in-, for no apparent reason, rather than escape a jar) 1044143;1425612896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35506 @ 0.00041126 = 14.6022 BTC [+] {2} 1044144;1425612900;mircea_popescu;birds are really closer to insects than mammals. 1044145;1425612909;mircea_popescu;from a software perspective. 1044146;1425612942;mircea_popescu;it's basically a sort of windows nt, to replace windows 3.1. look, flashier plumage and mating dances! 1044147;1425612957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10994 @ 0.00041265 = 4.5367 BTC [+] {2} 1044148;1425612965;asciilifeform;incidentally, i'm rather curious re: how a social animal (rat, wolf) would do in the bottle 1044149;1425612979;mircea_popescu;i once found a fox leg in a bear trap. 1044150;1425612990;asciilifeform;fight the glass to the death - or 'submit' to it as to a 'commanding officer' 1044151;1425613011;asciilifeform;fox is famous for just this 1044152;1425613020;asciilifeform;but not really pack animal, afaik 1044153;1425613050;mircea_popescu;i guess not really no. 1044154;1425613086;BingoBoingo;!b 4 1044155;1425613087;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NJFTX3.txt ) 1044156;1425613095;asciilifeform;i once caught a groundhog (marmota monax) in a zoological (cage) trap 1044157;1425613115;asciilifeform;it bloodied its nose against the cage for 20 min. or so, then gave up 1044158;1425613156;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE1alBZ-qXI < there's a whole youtube genre of X vs. Y animal 1044159;1425613157;assbot;Brown Recluse vs Wolf Spider Who will win - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdwOYI ) 1044160;1425613191;asciilifeform;obligatory: 1044161;1425613192;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur9fbRz4GxE 1044162;1425613194;assbot;Ð’ÐµÐ»Ð¸ÐºÐ°Ñ Ð±Ð¸Ñ‚Ð²Ð° Ñлона Ñ ÐºÐ¸Ñ‚Ð¾Ð¼.avi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdwSaX ) 1044163;1425613203;mircea_popescu;"superman beetle vs flash spider" 1044164;1425613295;decimation; http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/hearing/hearing-ukraine-under-siege nuland vs ukraine 1044165;1425613296;assbot;Hearing: Ukraine Under Siege | House Committee on Foreign Affairs - Ed Royce, Chairman ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdxddG ) 1044166;1425613296;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043399 << eh dun worry, tis not about you. 1044167;1425613296;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:36:47; jurov: i'm trying to make do under some constraints, which i explained several time here 1044168;1425613298;mircea_popescu;you're doin; fine. 1044169;1425613430;mircea_popescu;well anyway, see y'all tomorro 1044170;1425613723;BingoBoingo; it bloodied its nose against the cage for 20 min. or so, then gave up << They tend to do that. Catch a good number with bad intentions towards the garden that way. 1044171;1425613751;BingoBoingo;Strictly catch and release though. 1044172;1425613872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00041387 = 2.0073 BTC [+] 1044173;1425614049;BingoBoingo;Granted it normally takes the better part of a salad to make the cage traps enticing to groundhogs 1044174;1425614116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5418 @ 0.00041576 = 2.2526 BTC [+] {2} 1044175;1425614238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 435 @ 0.0125 = 5.4375 BTC [+] 1044176;1425614482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 228 @ 0.0381 = 8.6868 BTC [-] 1044177;1425615275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00041129 = 5.5524 BTC [-] {2} 1044178;1425615763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17007 @ 0.00040558 = 6.8977 BTC [-] {2} 1044179;1425616556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00041851 = 5.1267 BTC [+] 1044180;1425617577;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 83.1718 BTC. Current weight: 84,321. 1044181;1425617811;asciilifeform;can we get scoopbot on the therealbitcoin list ? 1044182;1425617846;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000057.html http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000058.html << congrats mod6 1044183;1425617847;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DRhW0E ) 1044184;1425617848;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DRhWha ) 1044185;1425617853;*;asciilifeform hasn't tested yet 1044186;1425618020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00041679 = 2.2507 BTC [-] 1044187;1425618082;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i drove the hog to the forest & turned it loose there. found it interesting how the beast had to be shaken out of the trap, wouldn't simply leave on its own 1044188;1425618207;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They tend to do that. Amazing though on the other side how over time it takes increasing enticements to get them trapped in the first place. 1044189;1425618207;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1044190;1425618322;mod6;thanks asciilifeform :] 1044191;1425618367;mod6;let me know how it goes. my full-sync test with the static bin is up to height=273236 currently. 1044192;1425618381;mod6;i'll check back in tomorrow. 1044193;1425618416;asciilifeform;i confess that i can't bring myself to run the thing that eats infinite memory, any more 1044194;1425618447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00041899 = 6.6619 BTC [+] {3} 1044195;1425618456;mod6;i understand. i think the first objective will be to resolve that issue once we get the milestone "release" bundled up. 1044196;1425618475;mod6;then that'll be another version bump & release in itself. 1044197;1425618529;mod6;ok, im off for a bit. night #b-a! 1044198;1425619118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27910 @ 0.0004059 = 11.3287 BTC [-] {4} 1044199;1425620399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00040004 = 3.3203 BTC [-] 1044200;1425620887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17861 @ 0.00039583 = 7.0699 BTC [-] {3} 1044201;1425626560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9419 @ 0.00039861 = 3.7545 BTC [+] 1044202;1425627841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00039594 = 3.4249 BTC [-] 1044203;1425629183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00039594 = 6.6122 BTC [-] 1044204;1425629671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00039309 = 2.103 BTC [-] 1044205;1425629976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 88 @ 0.03401 = 2.9929 BTC [+] 1044206;1425630098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00039309 = 2.0834 BTC [-] 1044207;1425630220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4548 @ 0.00038978 = 1.7727 BTC [-] {2} 1044208;1425632416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19621 @ 0.00040252 = 7.8978 BTC [+] {2} 1044209;1425633697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11906 @ 0.00040472 = 4.8186 BTC [+] 1044210;1425633758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7494 @ 0.00040472 = 3.033 BTC [+] 1044211;1425634429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9538 @ 0.00040264 = 3.8404 BTC [-] {2} 1044212;1425635710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00040599 = 6.6785 BTC [+] {3} 1044213;1425636930;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 425 @ 0.00474189 = 2.0153 BTC [-] {7} 1044214;1425636991;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 243 @ 0.00474063 = 1.152 BTC [-] {6} 1044215;1425638150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20380 @ 0.00039375 = 8.0246 BTC [-] {2} 1044216;1425638760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0004039 = 5.493 BTC [+] 1044217;1425639309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00039375 = 4.6659 BTC [-] 1044218;1425639614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00040778 = 8.2372 BTC [+] {3} 1044219;1425640834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00039375 = 7.0481 BTC [-] 1044220;1425641932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12477 @ 0.00038844 = 4.8466 BTC [-] {3} 1044221;1425642299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24788 @ 0.00037813 = 9.3731 BTC [-] {3} 1044222;1425643396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00037186 = 9.8357 BTC [-] {2} 1044223;1425643884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00036667 = 5.7934 BTC [-] {4} 1044224;1425644006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.0003589 = 4.5042 BTC [-] 1044225;1425645165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15972 @ 0.00038039 = 6.0756 BTC [+] {3} 1044226;1425645359;chetty;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_2lGkEU4Xs 1044227;1425645360;assbot;malvina reynolds - little boxes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1aPW26Q ) 1044228;1425645653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29097 @ 0.00038699 = 11.2602 BTC [+] {2} 1044229;1425648478;danielpbarron;height=253958 vs height=200309 (usb3: height=234842) 1044230;1425648520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20537 @ 0.00040221 = 8.2602 BTC [+] {2} 1044231;1425649130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00038094 = 6.7426 BTC [-] {2} 1044232;1425650450;chetty;http://rt.com/news/238241-canadian-charged-cellphone-passcode/ 1044233;1425650451;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/17XXGle ) 1044234;1425650899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17171 @ 0.00037164 = 6.3814 BTC [-] 1044235;1425651326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00037067 = 1.3529 BTC [-] 1044236;1425652059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8874 @ 0.00037067 = 3.2893 BTC [-] 1044237;1425652274;mod6;up to height=288287 (static build) 1044238;1425652546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40477 @ 0.00037164 = 15.0429 BTC [+] 1044239;1425652668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00036961 = 2.2916 BTC [-] {2} 1044240;1425652856;PeterL;does therealbitcoin list have an rss feed? 1044241;1425653217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5514 @ 0.00036719 = 2.0247 BTC [-] 1044242;1425653695;jurov;no 1044243;1425653708;jurov;just register as recipient? 1044244;1425654071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12880 @ 0.00036578 = 4.7112 BTC [-] 1044245;1425654315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8720 @ 0.00036578 = 3.1896 BTC [-] 1044246;1425655109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00036386 = 5.5671 BTC [-] {2} 1044247;1425655657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00036474 = 12.3647 BTC [+] {3} 1044248;1425655718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.0003605 = 1.3699 BTC [-] 1044249;1425656145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6784 @ 0.00035904 = 2.4357 BTC [-] {2} 1044250;1425656275;BingoBoingo;http://forum.utorrent.com/topic/95041-warning-epicscale-riskware-silently-installed-with-latest-utorrent/ 1044251;1425656403;davout;this kind of stuff will probably happen more and more 1044252;1425656572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5918 @ 0.00037164 = 2.1994 BTC [+] 1044253;1425657487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00039092 = 5.8833 BTC [+] 1044254;1425657670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00040972 = 15.4669 BTC [+] {4} 1044255;1425659401;jurov;^ heh these utorrent forums. "account suspended" 1044256;1425659493;nubbins`;chetty it amazes me that people still carry non-wiped devices over int'l borders 1044257;1425659526;nubbins`;FWIW canada customs have consistently provided me with the least-pleasant border crossing experiences of any agency 1044258;1425659622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00041394 = 4.6775 BTC [+] 1044259;1425660014;chetty;only safe place is inside your head, for now 1044260;1425660154;chetty;although I have crossed boarders in last year a few times with no problems, I am always ready 1044261;1425660257;PeterL;you made renters angry? 1044262;1425660464;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/crapware-still-bundles-mining-software/ 1044263;1425660522;chetty;and I can't type either :/ 1044264;1425660875;danielpbarron;"Noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then I saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then I saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too," Ian notes. << people with children are pirating movies? 1044265;1425660926;PeterL;why would people with children be different? 1044266;1425661023;*;danielpbarron shrugs 1044267;1425662245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00041633 = 6.4531 BTC [+] {2} 1044268;1425663282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00041863 = 9.2099 BTC [+] {5} 1044269;1425663732;thestringpuller;dead as fuck in here today 1044270;1425663778;PeterL;no kidding 1044271;1425663808;PeterL;deader, unless you are a necrophile 1044272;1425663880;thestringpuller;Everyone has meatspace things to do! 1044273;1425664319;asciilifeform;re: border searches - interestingly, if your cargo doesn't look like consumer electronics, the inspectors tend to ignore it (granted that it doesn't pattern-match 't3rr0r1s7!!!111') 1044274;1425664354;PeterL;example? 1044275;1425664405;asciilifeform;PeterL: when i went to mircea_popescu's conference-2, had an attache of rng samples, which nobody at any of the borders was interested in so much as opening much less demanding to know how to plug them in 1044276;1425664450;asciilifeform;i found this odd enough to still wonder why 1044277;1425664478;mike_c;they didn't want to make you suspicious so you wouldn't see the people following you. 1044278;1425664485;asciilifeform;might have to do with 'lottery' system for inspections 1044279;1425664488;PeterL;if you had one in your pocket instead of in case, would they have been interested by it? 1044280;1425664533;asciilifeform;generally you have to 'win' the 'lottery' to get the full-bore arse search 1044281;1425664871;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by PeterL: http://qntra.net/2015/03/summary-of-mpex-stocks-and-funds-february-2015/ 1044282;1425665078;danielpbarron;PeterL, something's not right with the beginning of the MiniGame paragraph 1044283;1425665100;PeterL;BingoBoingo: the link for s.mg is not closed, could you fix? 1044284;1425665132;PeterL;just needs a >S.MG in there 1044285;1425665234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00041389 = 2.3178 BTC [-] 1044286;1425665286;BingoBoingo;fxd 1044287;1425665722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13037 @ 0.00042204 = 5.5021 BTC [+] 1044288;1425665906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14633 @ 0.00042212 = 6.1769 BTC [+] {2} 1044289;1425666272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.0004136 = 18.7361 BTC [-] {2} 1044290;1425666303;trinque;asciilifeform: average border guard probably says 1) is he brown? 2) did any of our HYPER ADVANCED detectors smell bomb? 3) is he flagged for harassment 4) does he look afraid 1044291;1425666339;trinque;I have a family member that's tagged for harassment at the border for political involvement in the 70s 1044292;1425667125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00041996 = 7.3493 BTC [+] {3} 1044293;1425667552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9104 @ 0.00042301 = 3.8511 BTC [+] {2} 1044294;1425668556;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.epicscale.com << the spamatronic 'cpu broker' used in the crapware described in recent qntra piece 1044295;1425668557;assbot;Epic Scale ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7qOl8 ) 1044296;1425668565;asciilifeform;worth a mention somewhere? 1044297;1425668606;asciilifeform;this one has a 'charity' flavour 1044298;1425668615;asciilifeform;'join our botnet voluntarily, save orphans!' 1044299;1425668656;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Possibly. Mentioned by name in the linked TorrentFreak piece. 1044300;1425668729;asciilifeform;aha 1044301;1425668738;asciilifeform;but the sheer lameness, worth a discussion 1044302;1425668761;asciilifeform;evidently they ran short of chumps dumb enough to install the thing voluntarily 1044303;1425668774;asciilifeform;and had to try something new 1044304;1425668848;BingoBoingo;There's been a number of these things. This was actually one of the business's "CoinLab" explored 1044305;1425669048;BingoBoingo;The proposed a guarenteed payment pool for GPU miners where once ASICs arrived the GPUs would be aimed at other computing tasks 1044306;1425669125;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this type of chumpatron has a name, though i'm blanking on what it was 1044307;1425669167;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sometimes discussed in historical chumpatronics literature, re: schemes to 'invest in xxxx, and once it tanks, we'll buy it up for firewood we promise' 1044308;1425669184;BingoBoingo;Ah 1044309;1425669322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3306 @ 0.00042314 = 1.3989 BTC [+] 1044310;1425669326;mats;AAPL joins DJI 1044311;1425669348;mats;replacing AT&T 1044312;1425670846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00042687 = 9.2204 BTC [+] {2} 1044313;1425671273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26349 @ 0.0004315 = 11.3696 BTC [+] 1044314;1425671822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10648 @ 0.00043451 = 4.6267 BTC [+] 1044315;1425672127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00040436 = 12.5756 BTC [-] {4} 1044316;1425673713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00039942 = 5.3922 BTC [-] {2} 1044317;1425673877;PeterL;Trying to find a good link for this, http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/02/16/atf-trying-to-ban-ar15-ammo-under-guise-of-law-enforcement-safety-n1957622 1044318;1425673878;assbot;ATF Trying to Ban AR-15 Ammo Under Guise of "Law Enforcement Safety" - Katie Pavlich ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyOxBe ) 1044319;1425673916;PeterL;maybe asciilifeform 's desire to make bullet in jungle conditions is more urgent than we thought? 1044320;1425673987;asciilifeform;PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034504 << original thread here 1044321;1425673987;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 17:54:22; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious' 1044322;1425674030;PeterL;Apparently the government has started changing the rules, then asking for public comment (which they then ignore) 1044323;1425674060;asciilifeform;PeterL: small nuance here, also. the 'jungle shells' don't have to actually be made to work, in a sense. think about how the 'gavin fork' thing, which died - or at least went into hibernation - merely from knowing that response is ready 1044324;1425674066;asciilifeform;sorta like the logic of nuke war 1044325;1425674072;chetty;they even ignore the courts, why bother with the silly 'public' 1044326;1425674109;trinque;I don't see how national-scale weapons control could be implemented in the US 1044327;1425674122;trinque;they can try; there are hordes of rednecks in the woods already stocked up for armageddon 1044328;1425674125;asciilifeform;trinque: it mostly was in '68 1044329;1425674150;chetty;walk softly and carry a big stick won't ever change, at least not the big stick part :) 1044330;1425674174;trinque;asciilifeform: I think people who never leave cities tend to forget how much weaponry is just outside 1044331;1425674183;trinque;and people who actually know how to use them 1044332;1425674211;asciilifeform;the 'hordes' are dealt with in the same way as anarchists 100 years ago - moles, stoolies, provocateurs, and, if these fail, massed attack with costly 20th c. armour/aviation 1044333;1425674243;asciilifeform;(today's substitute for the maxim gun of the pinkertons, you could say) 1044334;1425674308;asciilifeform;if there were a 'rural militia' with above room-temperature iq, usa would already look like iraq 1044335;1425674316;asciilifeform;it doesn't. ergo, there isn't. 1044336;1425674333;danielpbarron;perhaps it'll be like with legal weed -- permitted to do bitcoin, or permitted to own a gun. choose one. 1044337;1425674345;asciilifeform;wai wat 1044338;1425674363;trinque;asciilifeform: I don't think things have gotten bad enough yet for them, the rednecks 1044339;1425674420;chetty;yeah, need the bubba effect to kick in 1044340;1425674444;trinque;I could see someone clever turning them into a far-right movement of some kind 1044341;1425674467;trinque;invoke the "end times", etc 1044342;1425674487;asciilifeform;trinque: as i understand, this isn't ru circa 1917, the hypothetical rebels don't 'just want to be left alone' - not one in ten thousand is able to grow anything edible without regular deliveries of petrol, pesticides, etc. 1044343;1425674499;chetty;right? left? too the moon might as well be. right and left don't make sense anymore 1044344;1425674508;asciilifeform;washington doesn't need to 'waco' them - just to stop sending the trucks (command economy, recall?) 1044345;1425674532;asciilifeform;what's more, the would-be mutineers mostly know this. 1044346;1425674562;trinque;asciilifeform: how collapsed are we considering? 1044347;1425674564;asciilifeform;when they go to the forest and blast away at bull's eyes, it's really a psychological release 1044348;1425674574;trinque;enough for pieces of the military to break off and start fighting for texas? 1044349;1425674581;asciilifeform;trinque: usa is what anthropologists call a 'palace economy' 1044350;1425674598;asciilifeform;what are the folks 'fighting for texas' eating? 1044351;1425674606;trinque;mexicans? 1044352;1425674609;trinque;lol, just kidding 1044353;1425674628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15425 @ 0.00041173 = 6.3509 BTC [+] {3} 1044354;1425674672;bitstein;asciilifeform: bbq of course, http://franklinbarbecue.com/ 1044355;1425674674;assbot;Franklin Barbecue ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4Qqvp ) 1044356;1425674692;trinque;bitstein: austin resident? 1044357;1425674711;asciilifeform;is this roughly analogous to marie antoinette's cake ? 1044358;1425674718;bitstein;trinque: yep 1044359;1425674732;trinque;bitstein: nice! I lived there for years, grew up in houston 1044360;1425674784;danielpbarron;I once visited a false church community in waco, tx (no relation to that other thing) and they seemed capable of sustaining themselves independent of any supply lines. But maybe all the ground tilling was just for show -- I didn't stay there year-round; just for a week for their "harvest festival" 1044361;1425674810;trinque;danielpbarron: my parents have a farm that produces far in surplus of what they need 1044362;1425674820;trinque;the problem being the neighbors of course, in such a situation 1044363;1425674842;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: 100% closed cycle? no one taking modern pharma products of any kind? no electrical devices ? lit with candles, made of animal fat ? etc 1044364;1425674854;danielpbarron;a lot of them had iPhones 1044365;1425674941;PeterL;danielpbarron: I imagine they have to import metal to make their farm implements, or are they doing mining and refining too? 1044366;1425674950;danielpbarron;and come to think of it, a lot of their industry was exporting to outsiders. things like "hand made whatever" 1044367;1425674960;trinque;PeterL: you don't need infinite amounts of tools, once you have them 1044368;1425674963;trinque;and enough spare parts 1044369;1425674979;PeterL;but tools do not last forever 1044370;1425675013;trinque;this idea that people cannot possibly survive without vast supply chains is pretty new... 1044371;1425675036;danielpbarron;i still have those gloves and hat. not gonna say it isn't high quality. 1044372;1425675042;trinque;I mean if we're headed back to the stone age, might as well eat a bullet in that situation 1044373;1425675091;trinque;asciilifeform: were all (former) Soviets growing their own food? 1044374;1425675098;trinque;I'd expect they were living off the state's teat mostly 1044375;1425675102;trinque;but could be way off 1044376;1425675116;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#393769 1044377;1425675116;assbot;Logged on 26-11-2013 17:41:46; asciilifeform: "There's a shift in people's thinking as essential items become scarce. They believe that... hoarders created the shortage... if someone can establish such a link between the crisis and you, you have a problem.' 1044378;1425675138;trinque;of course, yet what, 5% population decline, maybe 10? 1044379;1425675147;asciilifeform;trinque: accurate data is hard to come by, but at one point something like 80% of the calories consumed came from amateur gardens 1044380;1425675185;trinque;asciilifeform: I would want to know whether that was mostly a reaction after collapse, or something which people had in advance 1044381;1425675187;asciilifeform;trinque: try to remember the substantial differences between the two empires 1044382;1425675196;trinque;actually "in advance" would make sense if there were ongoing shortages 1044383;1425675202;asciilifeform;no one in ussr could be evicted from their income suddenly zeroing; 1044384;1425675213;asciilifeform;major cities did not have populations of orcs ready to riot and burn; 1044385;1425675225;asciilifeform;the heat - mostly stayed on; etc 1044386;1425675234;trinque;that sounds like surviving 3 weeks in the woods at most though 1044387;1425675244;trinque;pick a spot far enough that no one hungry is going to wander there on foot 1044388;1425675253;trinque;let the cities burn themselves out 1044389;1425675256;asciilifeform;and live there for the rest of your life ? 1044390;1425675272;asciilifeform;you're still thinking in terms of temporary disruptions in 'business as usual' 1044391;1425675291;PeterL;wait out collapse, then return to scrounge resources from ruins? 1044392;1425675301;asciilifeform;even in a very optimistic scenario like ussr, the disappearance of 'business as usual' could last for decades. 1044393;1425675329;asciilifeform;PeterL: only in hollywood films do burned out husks of cities contain anything you would like to pick up - vs. corpses and unexploded ordnance 1044394;1425675368;trinque;asciilifeform: I don't mean that I'd return to the city 3wks later 1044395;1425675369;PeterL;I was just trying to finish trinque's idea of hiding in the woods for 3 weeks 1044396;1425675369;danielpbarron;is it foolish to assume that I can bribe my way out of catastrophe? 1044397;1425675383;PeterL;danielpbarron: yes 1044398;1425675383;trinque;I mean the cities wont be a risk to the rural areas after some period of starvation 1044399;1425675390;asciilifeform;somehow everybody (at least every adult male) thinks that he's the clever bugger who will notice the things everyone else has overlooked, survive catastrophes that put the rest of the area to bed for good, etc. 1044400;1425675412;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: it isn't foolish, but the time to do so is strictly -before- 1044401;1425675417;asciilifeform;when the planes are still flying 1044402;1425675420;trinque;asciilifeform: well you at least fight back as the knife's plunged in 1044403;1425675447;danielpbarron;i don't think i'll be rich enough to bribe my way out until -after- it begins 1044404;1425675471;asciilifeform;trinque: i'm specifically addressing the fantasies of 'survive' rather than 'die with honour' (there'll be death of every kind available to all-comers, then) 1044405;1425675475;trinque;danielpbarron: someone will just beat the private keys out of you 1044406;1425675489;trinque;asciilifeform: ah, I agree that I'm probably dead 1044407;1425675498;trinque;this is more a question of what to do until then 1044408;1425675554;trinque;no worse than the situation was before though, right? 1044409;1425675565;trinque;I'm as good as dead no matter what I'm doing, given a long enough timeline 1044410;1425675596;trinque;but, one will still try to increase his chances even as lowered into the oil 1044411;1425675646;danielpbarron;i'm probably in the *worst* place to be when this stuff goes down, although asciilifeform's locale doesn't sound very pleasant either 1044412;1425675646;PeterL;asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it isn't foolish, but the time to do so is strictly -before- << surviving is dependent on having useful skills and wot connections to others with skills, the time to gain these is also strictly -before- 1044413;1425675771;asciilifeform;iirc we spoke re: the sewer pumps here at least once 1044414;1425675836;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2014#735017 1044415;1425675836;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2014 04:19:50; asciilifeform: speaking of sewage, i recently had occasion to learn the details behind herr orlov's assertion that usa minus mains current will drown in own shit 1044416;1425675838;asciilifeform;^ thread 1044417;1425675978;cazalla;danielpbarron, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044264 <<< i've managed to watch maybe 2-3 movies from start to end since son was born.. maybe the guy's kids are older but that just seems to take even more free time away 1044418;1425675978;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 16:54:35; danielpbarron: "Noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then I saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then I saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too," Ian notes. << people with children are pirating movies? 1044419;1425676210;cazalla;the majority of movies are shit anyway so even if i had the time to watch them on the reg, they are not even worth pirating 1044420;1425676698;trinque;asciilifeform: I'd think there's enough talent right here to escape a gravity well 1044421;1425676770;asciilifeform;trinque: escape from gravity well is the most personal matter imaginable 1044422;1425676779;asciilifeform;trinque: something each of us must solve entirely on his own 1044423;1425676795;trinque;that seems foolish, though sure, I'm making my own moves aside from derping here 1044424;1425676804;trinque;a big, profitable company would hurt how? 1044425;1425676831;asciilifeform;trinque: there's a reason i used rocketry as the analogy 1044426;1425676880;asciilifeform;getting just one person (not even talking about family, friends, pets, possessions, etc) permanently out of not only usa but the nato financial octopus - is probably more expensive than launching it into orbit 1044427;1425676899;asciilifeform;if you -actually- tally up the costs, realistically 1044428;1425676924;asciilifeform;and i am specifically not speaking of mircea_popescu's favourite 'rescue animals', young gurlz 1044429;1425676930;trinque;lol 1044430;1425676934;asciilifeform;speaking of everything -else- 1044431;1425676948;asciilifeform;other lifeforms that don't have a zoo ready to house them gratis 1044432;1425676991;jurov;what is "nato financial octopus"? 1044433;1425677027;asciilifeform;jurov: the loose set of all banks that play ball with usg, all locales where there isn't an icbm battery between you and usg, etc 1044434;1425677068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039383 = 9.0975 BTC [-] {3} 1044435;1425677075;cazalla;BingoBoingo, maybe should've saved the utorrent forum complaints.. forum offline now lol 1044436;1425677102;asciilifeform;trinque: the hypothetical 'mutual assistance' org you suggest would roughly resolve to a 'society for let's we all get filthy rich, and not warren-buffet-usg-rich either, but mircea_popescu-rich' 1044437;1425677105;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I missed that window 1044438;1425677109;asciilifeform;which is generally not how it works. 1044439;1425677141;trinque;well not mutual assistance and not an org 1044440;1425677145;asciilifeform;anyone who offers to 'help you get rich' in specifically these terms is either a imbecile or sc4mz0r 1044441;1425677156;trinque;for example if there was a tiny rasp-pi sized lisp machine, I think that'd be sellable 1044442;1425677166;trinque;I don't want help; I have my own businesses 1044443;1425677182;trinque;point being that no matter what's going on in the world at large, there are products to sell 1044444;1425677184;asciilifeform;trinque: a pocket-sized fission power plant would also be 'sellable' 1044445;1425677187;trinque;asciilifeform: your cardano, perfect example 1044446;1425677211;trinque;asciilifeform: sure but that's hyperbolic compared to "I can attach this to a printer, card scanner, whatever, and it does what it is told" 1044447;1425677236;asciilifeform;trinque: if you don't understand that this costs ~$trillion and requires a sovereign country in your pocket, you have not thought the matter through. 1044448;1425677272;asciilifeform;i might exaggerate slightly, but at any rate it won't be accomplished by a fella with a day job. 1044449;1425677291;trinque;asciilifeform: sure; yet I think people forget millions can be made owning a chain of car washes 1044450;1425677296;trinque;geniuses especially 1044451;1425677310;asciilifeform;trinque: 'millions can be made' doing nothing but snorting coke 1044452;1425677314;asciilifeform;if you're a u.s. blue-blood 1044453;1425677491;trinque;ehhh, you can still start businesses in the US 1044454;1425677494;trinque;you just have to be willing to starve 1044455;1425677518;trinque;and/or to lower yourself a bit 1044456;1425677542;trinque;plenty of retards out there owning strip clubs, parking garages, snow plow companies 1044457;1425677576;trinque;and also in particular, astoundingly shitty software companies that can be bested without much effort 1044458;1425677739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0003986 = 6.3776 BTC [+] {2} 1044459;1425677763;trinque;along those lines I am really starting to consider moving back to TX 1044460;1425677780;trinque;no state income tax, cheap-as-hell rent 1044461;1425677790;trinque;*booming* economy 1044462;1425678747;asciilifeform;trinque: i'll be the last to disagree that it's still possible, today, to squeeze out a 'living' doing something in usa. question is how long it will remain true, for one's particular profession, for particular locale (do you like drilling for oil?), etc 1044463;1425678864;asciilifeform;trinque: also understand that even if you get 'usa-rich' it does not automatically translate to freeworld-rich. 1044464;1425678891;asciilifeform;(see the numerous old 'exit tax' threads here and elsewhere) 1044465;1425679018;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/a-sjsqd-walks-into-a-pub/#comment-112528 1044466;1425679019;assbot;A sjsqd walks into a pub... pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bg2Fbg ) 1044467;1425679209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i like PeterL's suggestion 1044468;1425679216;mircea_popescu;it's not bad. 1044469;1425679227;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: though i still insist that 'red' cryptomaterial should not touch the networked box 1044470;1425679247;asciilifeform;that is, the extant wallet&node combo kitchen-toilet is pure lunacy 1044471;1425679318;mircea_popescu;surely. 1044472;1425679343;mircea_popescu;ideally you want exactly what ben_vulpes was proposing : a node server with a wallet client 1044473;1425679365;asciilifeform;every node is already a 'wallet client' 1044474;1425679367;mircea_popescu;but even admitting this were done correctly, the problem still remains of what txn the client should order broadcast. 1044475;1425679376;asciilifeform;(in that it can swallow a tx if fed) 1044476;1425679395;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda how sane people use this : wallet on a system behind a node system in a nat. 1044477;1425679404;mircea_popescu;!up sjsqd 1044478;1425679427;sjsqd;hi 1044479;1425679437;mircea_popescu;hello. 1044480;1425679447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6085 @ 0.00039974 = 2.4324 BTC [+] 1044481;1425679447;sjsqd;was trying to sign up for your site but it forwards to a blank page 1044482;1425679468;mircea_popescu;what exactly did you do ? 1044483;1425679468;sjsqd;otherwise still also trying to read through 6 months of IRC logs haha 1044484;1425679476;sjsqd;put in my email and 10,000 credits and pressed submit 1044485;1425679512;mircea_popescu;hm. that's odd, it shouldn't do that. 1044486;1425679519;sjsqd;the page that shows as being blank = http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/trilema_credits.php 1044487;1425679520;assbot;Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bg469E ) 1044488;1425679782;mircea_popescu;do you have redirects disabled maybe ? 1044489;1425679793;mircea_popescu;also, make sure you typed the email address correctly. 1044490;1425679851;mircea_popescu;$ curl -IL http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/trilema_credits.php | more 1044491;1425679852;assbot;Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bg4YuM ) 1044492;1425679852;mircea_popescu;HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily 1044493;1425679852;mircea_popescu;Location: http://trilema.com 1044494;1425679852;assbot;Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bg4XqR ) 1044495;1425679875;sjsqd;email address is correct 1044496;1425679887;sjsqd;and I don't think I have redirects disabled 1044497;1425680155;sjsqd;I tried a few different options on my computer but got the same result 1044498;1425680177;mircea_popescu;ahahaha you found a bug 1044499;1425680195;mircea_popescu;if you fill in with something other than 10k or with nothing at all it works. 1044500;1425680202;mircea_popescu;if however you explicitly specify the default... 1044501;1425680203;mircea_popescu;lmao 1044502;1425680229;sjsqd;haha 1044503;1425680319;sjsqd;I'm pretty sure I tried another figure but yes you're correct it works now 1044504;1425680817;mircea_popescu;sjsqd also, get in the wot. 1044505;1425680834;sjsqd;yes I will I briefly read about it earlier 1044506;1425680868;sjsqd;I've just had quite a few things on at the moment, otherwise I would be a bit more active 1044507;1425680879;sjsqd;but I do find this channel and the websites/sources surrounding it interesting 1044508;1425681061;mircea_popescu;!up airgapped 1044509;1425681140;airgapped;mircea_popescu: thanks 1044510;1425681165;airgapped;http://airgapped.net/2015/03/building-bitcoin-node-on-raspberry-pi-2/ 1044511;1425681166;assbot;Building Bitcoin node on Raspberry Pi 2 | Airgapped ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bg7L7e ) 1044512;1425681170;mircea_popescu;sure. 1044513;1425681199;airgapped;^ including for reference, may be usefull for someone 1044514;1425681265;mircea_popescu;i don't recall why we didn't like the pi for this purpoise, but it's in teh logs. 1044515;1425681282;trinque;paging asciilifeform 1044516;1425681312;airgapped;this one is new, more RAM, so far rock solid 1044517;1425681351;mircea_popescu;how much ram does it have now ? 4g ? 1044518;1425681360;airgapped;1g 1044519;1425681365;danielpbarron;looks like it's just more expensive 1044520;1425681371;trinque;mystery binary blob drivers are required to run the thing 1044521;1425681374;danielpbarron;the pogo is < 20 USD 1044522;1425681391;airgapped;working on pogo as we speak 1044523;1425681400;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron more a case of "there's all these people who got pis because excitement, now have nothing to use them for", i thought, 1044524;1425681409;mircea_popescu;so in that sense, it costs zero. 1044525;1425681431;airgapped;yes, the blob is there 1044526;1425681445;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's what it was. 1044527;1425681460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.03400002 = 1.564 BTC [-] {2} 1044528;1425681473;danielpbarron;airgapped, you might be intrested in this -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt 1044529;1425681474;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bg8sxe ) 1044530;1425681475;airgapped;so for me this is also temp solution 1044531;1425681478;mircea_popescu;the pi is currently being worked on as a first example of a fully fits in head machine. 1044532;1425681491;mircea_popescu;sorry i mean the pogo not the pi 1044533;1425681496;airgapped;thanks will look at it 1044534;1425681510;danielpbarron;still a work in progress, see also the root directory of that file 1044535;1425681524;airgapped;also on my desk VoCore 1044536;1425681533;airgapped;next in line 1044537;1425681570;mircea_popescu;airgapped you should prolly get in the wot while at it. 1044538;1425681583;airgapped;danielpbarron: nice, mised it in the logs 1044539;1425681591;cazalla;;;later tell bingoboingo enjoy :) i didn't end up drinking last night so no issues there 1044540;1425681591;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1044541;1425681601;airgapped;I'm in the wot 1044542;1425681628;danielpbarron;airgapped, the WoT forked 1044543;1425681651;mircea_popescu;!gettrust airgapped 1044544;1425681651;assbot;airgapped is not registered in WoT. 1044545;1425681669;airgapped;OK, so I need some help 1044546;1425681669;mircea_popescu; I'm in the wot < since when ? 1044547;1425681693;airgapped;registered few days ago 1044548;1425681697;mircea_popescu;airgapped http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot < 1044549;1425681698;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bg8Xrk ) 1044550;1425681701;danielpbarron;he did it the gribble way 1044551;1425681723;mircea_popescu;if you were in gribble pre 2015, you were imported. otherwise, gotta reg your key with assbot. 1044552;1425681759;airgapped;have registered it with gribble 1044553;1425681771;airgapped;should do the same with assbot? 1044554;1425681782;mircea_popescu;so then it's halfa minute. yeah, see the link for commands. 1044555;1425681796;airgapped;thanks, will do 1044556;1425681850;pete_dushenski;purim scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/06/signing-a-shoe-is-the-same-as-signing-the-papers/ 1044557;1425681851;assbot;Signing a shoe is the same as signing the papers. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bg9mKe ) 1044558;1425682044;airgapped;!register 178BF6EEA4C3A737F70878AC5E40172FEBBA0713 1044559;1425682044;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 178BF6EEA4C3A737F70878AC5E40172FEBBA0713. This may take a few moments. 1044560;1425682044;assbot;Key EBBA0713 / "airgapped " successfully imported. 1044561;1425682044;assbot;Registration successful. 1044562;1425682058;pete_dushenski;eh wd. 1044563;1425682131;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.03753703 = 1.0135 BTC [+] {2} 1044564;1425682133;pete_dushenski;airgapped i'm guessing https://twitter.com/airgapped is you ? 1044565;1425682135;assbot;Airgapped (@airgapped) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bg9REh ) 1044566;1425682202;airgapped;pete_dushenski: yes 1044567;1425682243;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.airgapped.1:b3f7991004a4bbbbd349279c39bb1e5431f940bcc8e103b36d37d3d83b3ae7f6 1044568;1425682243;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for airgapped with note: Working on the pogo thing. 1044569;1425682253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7008 @ 0.00039911 = 2.797 BTC [-] 1044570;1425682278;airgapped;danielpbarron: thanks 1044571;1425682280;pete_dushenski;airgapped cool. 1044572;1425682296;pete_dushenski;airgapped so what's your background ? 1044573;1425682314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00040988 = 7.0089 BTC [+] {4} 1044574;1425682333;airgapped;embedded, crypto 1044575;1425682422;pete_dushenski;crypto i get, but what's 'embedded' ? 1044576;1425682447;airgapped;embedded microcontrolers 1044577;1425682460;airgapped;ARM based mostly 1044578;1425682575;mircea_popescu;!rate airgapped 1 New blood 1044579;1425682575;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/48cd0483320774d1 1044580;1425682580;pete_dushenski;ah neat. 1044581;1425682599;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.airgapped.1:9fdc995fb92b89f46ae90459ad60e2b6c87f4627292744d93d9e0c7c8f3f0be7 1044582;1425682599;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for airgapped with note: New blood 1044583;1425682620;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl since you asked : http://trilema.com/2015/fderp-janyary-february-2015-combined-statement/ 1044584;1425682620;assbot;F.DERP Janyary - February 2015 Combined Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BgaYUc ) 1044585;1425682620;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1044586;1425682648;mike_c;heh, i kind of like that better. "janyary" 1044587;1425682670;pete_dushenski;airgapped so are you working in the field currently ? or is this more of a hobby of yours ? 1044588;1425682713;jurov; i don't recall why we didn't like the pi for this purpois << alf proclaimed it as depending on binary turd (that supposedly leaks key material by any channel conceivable), thus unworthy 1044589;1425682772;jurov;oh and mircea_popescu withdrawals pls 1044590;1425682783;airgapped;pete_dushenski: working, I specialize in "secure" microcontrolers 1044591;1425682847;pete_dushenski;is there such a thing as 'secure' arm ? 1044592;1425682860;pete_dushenski;i'm under the impression, though hardly an expert, that there isn't. 1044593;1425683171;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/03/14-bidders-34-bids-in-latest-usms-bitcoin-auction/#comment-13004 << first i've heard of 'coin' 1044594;1425683171;assbot;14 Bidders 34 Bids In Latest USMS Bitcoin Auction | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrQ7lA ) 1044595;1425683291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00041098 = 3.5755 BTC [+] 1044596;1425683345;mike_c;you just haven't heard the name. it's the winklevii etf. 1044597;1425683456;pete_dushenski;o that's right. 1044598;1425683466;pete_dushenski;lol kinda even funnier now 1044599;1425683470;mike_c;yeah :) 1044600;1425683477;pete_dushenski;i thought it was some white-list or something 1044601;1425683484;pete_dushenski;or other 2.0 thing 1044602;1425683737;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044120 << burn baby burn. 1044603;1425683737;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 03:30:18; mircea_popescu: and that is, joining the wot early, and helping set the world on fire. it. strictly it. 1044604;1425683769;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fderp-janyary-february-2015-combined-statement/ 1044605;1425683774;thestringpuller;its a canadian eh? 1044606;1425683833;pete_dushenski;lol hey man. 1044607;1425683853;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044256 << this is no surprise, people watch tv, eat at mcd's, etc. 1044608;1425683853;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 16:31:33; nubbins`: chetty it amazes me that people still carry non-wiped devices over int'l borders 1044609;1425683859;pete_dushenski;'people' 1044610;1425683979;jurov;well... if i wasn't on this chan, i'd easily ended up carrying any to/from canada 1044611;1425684019;jurov;wiping both my ntb and phone would appear completely insane to me 1044612;1425684028;kakobrekla;if you werent on this chan you could actually carry it as well hehe 1044613;1425684077;jurov;wut? 1044614;1425684080;pete_dushenski;are you calling him a fat desk-jockey ? 1044615;1425684095;kakobrekla;well, now you are flagged suspekterorista 1044616;1425684131;danielpbarron;what is to wipe on a phone that they don't already have? It's not like my keys are on the thing 1044617;1425684158;pete_dushenski;pictures of yourself ripping bongs ? 1044618;1425684204;danielpbarron;is that incriminating? could be anything in that bong! 1044619;1425684225;danielpbarron;also, they already have those pictures, presumably 1044620;1425684228;pete_dushenski;i'm pretty sure traveling is incriminating 1044621;1425684259;jurov;but really, do they routinely rummage through photos and documents? and when i have virtualbox on desktop, will they ask me to fire all the vms, too? 1044622;1425684259;pete_dushenski;'you're going to join isis! i know it!' 1044623;1425684286;pete_dushenski;jurov nah, it's just people getting fussed about the theatre 1044624;1425684313;pete_dushenski;it's obvious that airport security is about as meaningfully useful as curtains on a submarine 1044625;1425684314;danielpbarron;what if i'm caught traveling with my private key ascii armored and printed on a sheet of paper? do they even know well enough to ask for a passphrase? 1044626;1425684315;kakobrekla;at this stage they wont check vms as they are pretending to check if device is real device or real bomb only. 1044627;1425684358;jurov;inb4 virtualized bombs 1044628;1425684381;kakobrekla;its anal rape half way only 1044629;1425684405;kakobrekla;!s enemy half 1044630;1425684406;assbot;5 results for 'enemy half' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=enemy+half 1044631;1425684424;kakobrekla;its there 1044632;1425684424;danielpbarron;not that it matters, but telling a passphrase should surely be considered "testifying against yourself" 1044633;1425684632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00039911 = 2.3348 BTC [-] 1044634;1425684815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00039765 = 3.6186 BTC [-] {2} 1044635;1425684966;asciilifeform;"secure" microcontrolers << ugh 1044636;1425685014;pete_dushenski;my impression as well, if based on your impression ;) 1044637;1425685055;asciilifeform;no srsly, not much special expertise needed to see why this is an Intrinsically Bad Idea (TM) 1044638;1425685175;asciilifeform;if 'secure' but not user-verifiable, the only people against whom it attempts security is: you. the owner. 1044639;1425685181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8893 @ 0.00038911 = 3.4604 BTC [-] {3} 1044640;1425685204;pete_dushenski;and are arm inherently not user verifiable ? 1044641;1425685214;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: ic is inherently nonverifiable 1044642;1425685239;asciilifeform;if you own electron microscope and have a couple of years free, and wish to do nothing else - then yes, possibly verifiable. 1044643;1425685247;asciilifeform;doesn't matter if 'arm' or whatever. 1044644;1425685278;asciilifeform;it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling. 1044645;1425685303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0003873 = 3.6019 BTC [-] {2} 1044646;1425685316;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2015#1024428 and below 1044647;1425685316;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: decimation: a diddled die of 100 gates in a tiled matrix will do what, exactly ? 1044648;1425685332;asciilifeform;for the benefit of n00bs, i will briefly elaborate 1044649;1425685349;asciilifeform;say the enemy is baking custom silicon -just to slip into my supply lines- 1044650;1425685366;asciilifeform;say he can design anything, within reason, just in time 1044651;1425685378;kakobrekla;!up airgapped 1044652;1425685381;asciilifeform;his options depend on what i (think i am) buying 1044653;1425685413;asciilifeform;if i'm buying a general-purpose cpu, and he does not have a precise bitwise knowledge of what i intend to run on it, his options are rather limited 1044654;1425685434;airgapped;kakobrekla: thanks 1044655;1425685446;asciilifeform;though if he can get a real-time covert channel into my unit, he can perhaps accomplish something with a simple 'hidden debug' trick 1044656;1425685461;asciilifeform;if i'm buying 'fpga', and he doesn't have the exact bitstream, he's more or less shit out of luck 1044657;1425685476;asciilifeform;but let's reverse course and suppose that i'm buying a very specific crypto asic 1044658;1425685488;asciilifeform;that, say, cranks 8192-bit rsa. 1044659;1425685490;asciilifeform;and nothing else. 1044660;1425685511;asciilifeform;or, better yet, generates keys for such. 1044661;1425685529;asciilifeform;then the question of what changes he ought to slip into the masks at the fab becomes absolutely trivial 1044662;1425685534;asciilifeform;as in, undergrad-level problem. 1044663;1425685553;asciilifeform;because he is no longer firing at a 'moving target' but a bull's eye, so to speak. 1044664;1425685612;asciilifeform;to make long story short (i am quite uncertain that making it longer will improve the understanding of anyone who does not already grasp the above) - 1044665;1425685627;asciilifeform;if you're buying dedicated 'crypto' silicon, on your own free will - you are a moron; 1044666;1425685637;pete_dushenski;so the more specific the task of the chip, as is moreso the case with arm then general-purpose cpu, the easier it is to attack 1044667;1425685646;asciilifeform;if you're selling it, having understood the above line of reasoning and can offer no meaningful counter - you are a scammer. 1044668;1425685658;asciilifeform;if you are neither of these things, it is still useful to know who is one of these two things. 1044669;1425685671;airgapped;asciilifeform: fully agree secure micro does not exists whatever some may claim 1044670;1425685680;asciilifeform;airgapped: not merely 'not exists' 1044671;1425685685;asciilifeform;is -intrinsic- snake oil 1044672;1425685689;asciilifeform;like perpetuum mobile 1044673;1425685697;asciilifeform;or 'free energy machine' as they tend to be called now 1044674;1425685711;airgapped;yes, you ar eright 1044675;1425685736;asciilifeform;airgapped: and yet you introduced this as your line of work? care to justify ? 1044676;1425685771;asciilifeform;if somebody walks in and 'i drop screaming nuns out of helicopters for their insurance money' there'd better be a good story at least. 1044677;1425685831;airgapped;working with microcontrolers 1044678;1425685853;airgapped;adding crypto blocks/accelerators 1044679;1425685862;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044590 1044680;1425685862;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 22:59:43; airgapped: pete_dushenski: working, I specialize in "secure" microcontrolers 1044681;1425685891;asciilifeform;airgapped: and it never once occurred to you that it was not an entirely honest line of work ? 1044682;1425685913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9682 @ 0.00040821 = 3.9523 BTC [+] 1044683;1425685940;airgapped;yes they call it secure but I fully agree these are just micros with crypto accelertion 1044684;1425685991;airgapped;trully secure processor does not exists 1044685;1425686022;asciilifeform;airgapped: you still appear to be talking about it as something that could exist in essentially the same form pushed by scammers 1044686;1425686053;asciilifeform;rather than an object that -categorically- does not exist, like a box inside which 1 == 2. 1044687;1425686101;airgapped;no I have no illusion that secure processor exists 1044688;1425686148;asciilifeform;airgapped: let's take your word. why, then, do you spend your days working on a problem to which the answer cannot exist ? 1044689;1425686171;airgapped;the only option is airgapped machine and nothing beyod 1044690;1425686195;asciilifeform;^ doesn't answer my question 1044691;1425686265;airgapped;interest in crypto algorithms and practical implementaitons 1044692;1425686398;airgapped;translating crypto/math into implementaion running on small machines 1044693;1425686439;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'raspberry pi' << terrible machine for the money, plus long history of disinformation and hype bordering on outright fraud: >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540882 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988359 etc 1044694;1425686439;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2014 22:42:52; asciilifeform: re: raspberry pi: the news item is - a sham 1044695;1425686439;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2015 21:52:21; asciilifeform: 'raspberry?' terrible, terrible i/o. ethernet on same usb as the storage. no thanks. 1044696;1425686506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and deliberately pseudo-open architecture (runs linux, sure, but with massive closed blobs required even to boot. and vendor regularly pays media mouthpieces to lie about it; also posts astroturfed comments) 1044697;1425686624;asciilifeform;jurov: ...that supposedly leaks key material by any channel conceivable << i never suggested any specific channel. 1044698;1425686667;asciilifeform;jurov: recall mircea_popescu's 'act from cause not towards purpose' heuristic? it applies here 1044699;1425686671;airgapped;asciilifeform: ever looked at VoCore? 1044700;1425686687;asciilifeform;jurov: we don't need to know -precisely- what kind of rape broadcom intends for us 1044701;1425686695;asciilifeform;jurov: for all we know, ver.1 doesn't even come with a raper 1044702;1425686708;asciilifeform;jurov: just built to get us in the rape pens quicker. 1044703;1425686716;asciilifeform;!s vocore 1044704;1425686717;assbot;3 results for 'vocore' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vocore 1044705;1425686726;asciilifeform;^ was discussed here before 1044706;1425686764;asciilifeform;airgapped: if you want to carry out crypto on a chip with built-in radio, be my guest 1044707;1425686766;asciilifeform;i'll pass. 1044708;1425686810;airgapped;have one but it also contains bin blobs 1044709;1425686816;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2014#564580 << thread 1044710;1425686816;assbot;Logged on 18-03-2014 01:19:43; asciilifeform: our friends at ft. meade call this 'NONSTOP' 1044711;1425686852;asciilifeform;in this case it doesn't even matter whether there are blobs 1044712;1425686866;asciilifeform;thing's a 'submarine with screen door' 1044713;1425686893;asciilifeform;doesn't even matter if the radio is switched on 1044714;1425686913;asciilifeform;and if you went to school and they didn't teach why this is, go and get your money back 1044715;1425686973;airgapped;we are running out of options here 1044716;1425687069;airgapped;I have been loking for minimal node for some time but there is no good option it seems 1044717;1425687131;asciilifeform;!s pogo 1044718;1425687132;assbot;194 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo 1044719;1425687166;asciilifeform;^ small 'nas' computer available in usa for < 20 usd; reasonably-well-understood leaked chip docs; reasonable performance 1044720;1425687179;asciilifeform;not perfect by any means, but a number of folks here are experimenting with it 1044721;1425687189;airgapped;yes, will try this one 1044722;1425687191;asciilifeform;for the lack of a clearly superior 'bang for the buck' elsewhere 1044723;1425687225;asciilifeform;!up airgapped 1044724;1425687254;asciilifeform;there is some conflation of unrelated things here 1044725;1425687271;asciilifeform;bitcoin node is not really a cryptographically-sensitive device 1044726;1425687290;asciilifeform;(assuming one does not partake in the braindamage of using a node as a wallet) 1044727;1425687304;mircea_popescu;shit. 1044728;1425687324;mircea_popescu;janyary my foot! omg! I GOT BUGS! THEY'RE MULTYPLYYNG 1044729;1425687330;mircea_popescu;an' i'm losing control... 1044730;1425687374;airgapped;what i'm looking for is just a node, wallet is out of scope 1044731;1425687476;airgapped;I'm running it on latest rp but pogo looks like good alternative 1044732;1425687498;asciilifeform;airgapped: read the #b-a logs, there is a wealth of material on the subject 1044733;1425687539;airgapped;I will, danielpbarron already pointed out his notes 1044734;1425687553;cazalla;asciilifeform, i read orlov's post soviet lessons.. article last night and my impression is that some of what he predicts relies on suggestion we've passed peak oil, but then i have read elsewhere peak oil has been debunked or that we're not even close to passing it.. can you share thoughts? not much turns up in logs 1044735;1425687590;asciilifeform;cazalla: the 'debunkings' are crude sham jobs to put the plebes to sleep 1044736;1425687621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11515 @ 0.00038955 = 4.4857 BTC [-] {2} 1044737;1425687626;mircea_popescu;cazalla it is elementary that if you keep taking out of a sack and never adding, eventually you run out. 1044738;1425687633;asciilifeform;cazalla: it is worth your while to become acquainted with the actual theory (vs the popular disinfo presentation of it) - rather than 'running out of oil', considerably more complicated (approximately, running out of -economical- oil) 1044739;1425687641;mircea_popescu;whetrher you care or not - entirely different discussion. 1044740;1425687682;asciilifeform;likewise, 'running out' is a broad stroke 1044741;1425687704;asciilifeform;implies the price going from reasonable to $maxint overnight, or the like 1044742;1425687720;asciilifeform;actual reality of nonrewables exhaustion is considerably more interesting 1044743;1425687753;mircea_popescu;for that matter... it turns out there's not enough rare earths on earth to make an ipad for each person alive. 1044744;1425687756;cazalla;mircea_popescu, whether you care or not would be influenced if you are to run out tomorrow or 100-200 years from now though 1044745;1425687759;asciilifeform;(price spike - not necessarily large, economic convulsions leading to 'demand destruction', price drops, useless mouths resume proliferating, etc. rinse&repeat) 1044746;1425687776;asciilifeform;cazalla: again, 'run out' is a dodge concept 1044747;1425687780;mircea_popescu;cazalla this decade is out of the question. 1044748;1425687794;asciilifeform;no mineral 'runs out' like the air in a diver's tank 1044749;1425687795;mircea_popescu;but once the saudi flood is done, imo that's it, oil will only ever be expensive. 1044750;1425687813;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oil is not a mineral in this sense tho. 1044751;1425687844;mircea_popescu;you can't run out of carbon, ie, the element. but you can run out of, say, sugar. venus is a fine example. 1044752;1425687845;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'mineral - wrong word, yes. meant 'полезные иÑкопаемые' in general 1044753;1425687853;asciilifeform;approx. 'useful shit to dig up' 1044754;1425687862;asciilifeform;implies that you can dig up economically 1044755;1425687864;mircea_popescu;vespene gas 1044756;1425687899;cazalla;vespene gas actually works well considering what an end game of broodwar looked like once it ran out 1044757;1425687916;mircea_popescu;cazalla anyway, practically, the peak oil thing is a lot less interesting now that electric cars have been demonstrated than 20 years ago. (dunno if you know, but this has been a fringe theory for > 50, almost 100 years by now) 1044758;1425687939;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: moves the mineral question to the storage battery 1044759;1425687954;mircea_popescu;yes, but that is considerably less explored a space. 1044760;1425687957;asciilifeform;(as well as the rest of the electro-junk in there) 1044761;1425687964;mircea_popescu;also, lithium, blessfully, is a lowly element. 1044762;1425687979;asciilifeform;Li isn't especially abundant in economically recoverable form 1044763;1425687985;mircea_popescu;that can change. 1044764;1425688014;cazalla;mircea_popescu, it's not that i'm interested in it (or would understand/appreciate the issue tbh) but it seemed obvious way to poke a hole in orlov's prediction, at least that it might occur in my lifetime anyway 1044765;1425688019;asciilifeform;if gonna fuse H to get it, may as well do it right in the car... 1044766;1425688044;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "if you're gonna fuck, might as well make the chick you're fucking in the same go" ? 1044767;1425688055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you know how, then yes! 1044768;1425688060;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1044769;1425688074;asciilifeform;cazalla: most of orlov's mechanics apply to any kind of anglo world collapse, not necessarily 'petro-flavoured' 1044770;1425688173;asciilifeform;incidentally 1044771;1425688195;asciilifeform;the (very old!) nickel-iron battery is superior to Li (and all other extant chemistries) in all respects but energy density 1044772;1425688206;asciilifeform;virtually indestructible 1044773;1425688210;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, S.CARS would be pretty cool. a company that a) aspires atmospheric H2, b) fuses it into Li c) which it uses to make car batteries while d) the energy so produced it uses to make the cars and fill them up. 1044774;1425688217;asciilifeform;iirc there are 100+ year old examples which still function as rated! 1044775;1425688219;mircea_popescu;prolly not even cost a trillion. 1044776;1425688242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not to mention the earth is about 80% nickel and iron by mass. 1044777;1425688280;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it also laughs at deep-cycling, overcharging, heat, vibration... 1044778;1425688298;asciilifeform;but as ancient tech, for some reason not of interest to any existing manufacturer outside of china 1044779;1425688304;asciilifeform;(where it is used in farm equipment, iirc) 1044780;1425688310;mircea_popescu;you know, i'd like to read a sf novel which explores a future where technology has re-arranged deep magma of earth into a humongo battery 1044781;1425688321;cazalla;related to running out of something.. techcrunch reports yesterday's bitcoin auction was the last of dpr's coins.. bloomberg quote usms as saying otherwise 1044782;1425688322;mircea_popescu;and the human civilisation is organised around the implicit currency of "Stored joules" 1044783;1425688345;mircea_popescu;cazalla hardest thing for a fraudster is to keep the story straight. 1044784;1425688422;asciilifeform;;;google nickel-iron battery 1044785;1425688422;gribble;nickel iron battery information: ; Nickel–iron battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Nickel-Iron NiFe batteries by Iron Edison: 1044786;1425688439;asciilifeform;^ lol, is that an american firm?! 1044787;1425688446;asciilifeform;wonder what they charge. 1044788;1425688595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc decade old data, it cost about 2.5-3x as much but obviously you never had to replace anything. 1044789;1425688603;asciilifeform;aha 1044790;1425688605;asciilifeform;like mercedes. 1044791;1425688608;mircea_popescu;people generally went for the "cheaper" solutions that rarely last 5 years 1044792;1425688624;asciilifeform;same story as the rest of technocivilization 1044793;1425688628;mircea_popescu;right. 1044794;1425688658;asciilifeform;thing wants new electrolyte every 2-3 decades, but it costs pennies 1044795;1425688666;mircea_popescu;some of the cleverer dcs use them bnecause they're so very tolerant. which makes it the best heuristic to evaluate the operational wisdom of any dc. 1044796;1425688694;mircea_popescu;"do you have a basementfull of nife ?" "o yeah! shit rocks" vs "say wut ?" 1044797;1425688748;mircea_popescu;then they run for 4 years and have to replace the batteries, and run for another 2 and there's a lightning strike and have to replace them again. tru story. 1044798;1425688772;asciilifeform;standard Pb cells are good for 2-3 tops 1044799;1425688781;asciilifeform;(less if actually put to use) 1044800;1425688785;mircea_popescu;i don't think you may use pb anymore. 1044801;1425688803;asciilifeform;pretty much the only remaining use permitted worldwide is battery 1044802;1425688822;mircea_popescu;mno, actually being phased out, for years now. 1044803;1425688829;asciilifeform;hm must be eu thing 1044804;1425688838;asciilifeform;what did they decree? NiMH? 1044805;1425688851;mircea_popescu;im not really that up to date. prolly. 1044806;1425688859;asciilifeform;(in usa, cars, trucks, 'ups' - ~100% Pb) 1044807;1425688861;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't be so sure you'll get permits for new development in the us, eithert. 1044808;1425688870;mircea_popescu;this is a different discussion. 1044809;1425688878;asciilifeform;every ups vendor i know of is shipping chinese cells 1044810;1425688884;mircea_popescu;and new cars also don't really come with lead batteries. 1044811;1425688905;asciilifeform;haven't seen an auto shop yet that stocks anything but Pb battery 1044812;1425688912;asciilifeform;and was in one not long ago 1044813;1425688913;mircea_popescu;aftermarket diff story 1044814;1425688923;asciilifeform;possibly 1044815;1425688929;*;asciilifeform not diligent scholar of the subject 1044816;1425688976;mircea_popescu;anyway, to imagine the "ban smoking" thing is an isolated incident is naive. no, there's a shitton of these underway, continuously, and generally unreported. 1044817;1425688998;asciilifeform;one of the most famous idiocies was the light bulb thing 1044818;1425689017;asciilifeform;there is always some joker standing ready to take over from whatever widget is up for the ban hammer 1044819;1425689022;mircea_popescu;3rd world killer basically. 1044820;1425689041;mircea_popescu;"O, you're now advanced enough where you could start some light industry ? fu!" 1044821;1425689063;asciilifeform;they're permitted industry, just under very... different terms 1044822;1425689068;asciilifeform;more belgian-rubber. 1044823;1425689113;mircea_popescu;right. the tlp described phenomenon of "oh, this class of medicine is now generic ? guess what, on a review of the data available it turns out it wasn't effective anyway, so we're using Y now instead". 1044824;1425689122;asciilifeform;pharma sop 1044825;1425689123;mircea_popescu;it's not just medicine. it's pretty much everything. 1044826;1425689142;asciilifeform;i'll add that virtually 100% of r&d investment by extant pharma firms is precisely this and only this 1044827;1425689157;asciilifeform;'find a place to stick an extra methyl where it won't matter but now patentable' 1044828;1425689337;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044250 << holy shit this is the stupidest thing ever. srsly, cpu mining ? 1044829;1425689337;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 15:37:55; BingoBoingo: http://forum.utorrent.com/topic/95041-warning-epicscale-riskware-silently-installed-with-latest-utorrent/ 1044830;1425689400;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bingoboingo that epicscale debacle prolly qntrable. 1044831;1425689400;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1044832;1425689419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's on qntra alrady 1044833;1425689421;asciilifeform;*already 1044834;1425689426;mircea_popescu;ah nm :) 1044835;1425689430;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2015/03/crapware-still-bundles-mining-software 1044836;1425689431;assbot;Crapware Still Bundles Mining Software | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/18YutHR ) 1044837;1425689462;mircea_popescu;sveet. 1044838;1425690366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7931 @ 0.00038574 = 3.0593 BTC [-] 1044839;1425690610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3661 @ 0.00038574 = 1.4122 BTC [-] 1044840;1425690799;cazalla;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/world/europe/german-law-requires-more-women-on-corporate-boards.html?_r=0 1044841;1425690802;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/18YwKCU ) 1044842;1425690854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2942 @ 0.00038508 = 1.1329 BTC [-] {2} 1044843;1425690881;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1044844;1425690932;mircea_popescu;the demographics of qntra readership as depicted by quantcast never cease to amaze me. 1044845;1425691021;mike_c;apparently we're all asian men 25-34 1044846;1425691023;cazalla;what's behind the push for such things? 1044847;1425691045;cazalla;maybe qntra needs quotas so that 30% of readers are women 1044848;1425691062;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044298 << it's so appalingly dumb tho. cpu bitcoin miner would barely make any satoshi. 1044849;1425691062;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 19:03:35; asciilifeform: 'join our botnet voluntarily, save orphans!' 1044850;1425691094;mircea_popescu;mike_c politically active, politically unafilliated, filthy rich, mostly azn, some caucasian. 1044851;1425691128;mircea_popescu;(in fact it's mostly white with more asian than "normal", which considering the normal is gawker-and-wikipedia dumbternets... ) 1044852;1425691173;mircea_popescu;mike_c anyway, the demographic that supposedly "doesn'ty exist" and "doesn't matter" and "never wins elections" and so on and so forth. 1044853;1425691196;mike_c;it'll be interesting to see it after another couple 10x bumps 1044854;1425691204;cazalla;what's the other in race demo? jews? 1044855;1425691239;mircea_popescu;prolly, judging by how it looks. 1044856;1425691272;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cpu bitcoin miner would barely make any satoshi << cargocult 1044857;1425691292;mircea_popescu;i dun get it, honest. 1044858;1425691297;asciilifeform;also - until we hear otherwise - safe to assume that it was mining a crackpot alt 1044859;1425691304;asciilifeform;(they typically do nowadays) 1044860;1425691306;mircea_popescu;they specifically said bitcoin tho 1044861;1425691309;asciilifeform;hm. 1044862;1425691314;mircea_popescu;but yes, thisd would make sense, with some shitty alt. 1044863;1425691316;asciilifeform;then unadulterated idiocy 1044864;1425691342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7415 @ 0.00038588 = 2.8613 BTC [+] 1044865;1425691402;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone put together the "usg will target ammunition rather than small arms" with the "various agencies bought and stored millions of rounds at the beginning of this decade" to come to a "usg will ban ammunition period" thing yet ? 1044866;1425691419;mircea_popescu;as in, they are actually making rounds the future currency ? 1044867;1425691431;asciilifeform;lol not deliberately 1044868;1425691443;mircea_popescu;usg survival plan once shtf ? "well...we got the largest stores of ammo of anyone...so..." 1044869;1425691451;asciilifeform;even to have it happen by accident would require some sort of standardization 1044870;1425691477;mircea_popescu;why ? they banned smoking alright 1044871;1425691483;mircea_popescu;over the dead bodies of smokers. 1044872;1425691494;asciilifeform;iirc most of the famous stockpile is '.40', a caliber unpopular outside of usg afaik 1044873;1425691509;asciilifeform;(pistol round) 1044874;1425691522;mircea_popescu;honestly i'd have stored .5 AP 1044875;1425691527;asciilifeform;http://www.firearmstalk.com/images/3/9/0/8/3/thumb2_rounds-178.jpg 1044876;1425691528;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9snQL ) 1044877;1425691529;asciilifeform;^ center 1044878;1425691544;asciilifeform;was, iirc, designed specially for usg 1044879;1425691598;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/50_AE_and_32_ACP.jpg/275px-50_AE_and_32_ACP.jpg there. 1044880;1425691599;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9sAmU ) 1044881;1425691622;mircea_popescu;except the thing pictured is not a proper ap round. 1044882;1425691640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: are you sure you were thinking of -this- .50 ? 1044883;1425691659;mircea_popescu;no, it's what wikipedia had. 1044884;1425691664;asciilifeform;rather than what is called .50 bmg in usa 1044885;1425691678;asciilifeform;(the one found worldwide, actually used in everything from light aircraft to sniper) 1044886;1425691687;asciilifeform;http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/52467.jpg << that one 1044887;1425691688;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18Yyf45 ) 1044888;1425691736;mircea_popescu;apparently the de .5 ap, explosive, incendiary etc rounds are secret on internet.en ? 1044889;1425691750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the bmg is a machine gun round not a pistol round 1044890;1425691884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in english-speaking world 'weirdo' rounds (explode, flechette, etc.) are generally made for '12' shotgun 1044891;1425691899;mircea_popescu;anyway, the thing is just on the margin : the common "action express" .5 round is generally stopped by a level 3 and always by a level 4 vest. 1044892;1425691917;mircea_popescu;but the ap variant cuts through any practical armor, and generally can be used against lightly armored aircraft as well. 1044893;1425691931;asciilifeform;fire at aircraft from pistol barrel, lol! 1044894;1425691938;mircea_popescu;sure. 1044895;1425691939;asciilifeform;where, at the airfield ? 1044896;1425691946;asciilifeform;walk up to it? 1044897;1425691950;mircea_popescu;urban warfare baby. 1044898;1425691980;asciilifeform;the .5 pistol is considered a 'crackpot' curio in usa 1044899;1425691998;asciilifeform;(not sure about elsewhere) 1044900;1425692004;mircea_popescu;it's hard to fire for womenz. 1044901;1425692027;asciilifeform;sorta reminiscent of the late-medieval 'hand cannone' 1044902;1425692043;mircea_popescu;it is just about at the tolerance level of a physically elite man. 1044903;1425692060;asciilifeform;why not at least give it a wooden folding stock like the old 'mauser' 1044904;1425692067;mircea_popescu;lol 1044905;1425692071;asciilifeform;even 'elite' pistolero has wrists, they aren't made of stone 1044906;1425692088;mircea_popescu;by the time you're shooting this it supposedly no longer matters. 1044907;1425692126;mircea_popescu;anyway, pointless stock. if you can use stocked stuff just get a carbine or something. 1044908;1425692142;asciilifeform;http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg << obligatory 'for when it no longer matters' weapon 1044909;1425692143;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18YyXye ) 1044910;1425692156;asciilifeform;invented - unsurprisingly - in jp 1044911;1425692215;mircea_popescu;let's put it the other way : a sharp tungsten tipped .5 round is >20 bux. 1044912;1425692256;mircea_popescu;you can shoot through us style "walls" by ir with it just fine. 1044913;1425692264;mircea_popescu;now... how many wrists does 20 bux a round buy ? 1044914;1425692273;asciilifeform;you can shoot through u.s. 'walls' with almost anything 1044915;1425692276;asciilifeform;probably even arbalest. 1044916;1425692309;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking of small arms, are you familiar with (historic) 'gyrojet' ? 1044917;1425692331;asciilifeform;famous failed product (no one seems to agree precisely why failed) but very instructive re: yesterday's thread 1044918;1425692353;mircea_popescu;lol arbalest guerilla regiment. gastraphetes! 1044919;1425692361;asciilifeform;as it used a miniature rocket (approx. the size of .5 round...) which was fin-stabilized and rotated, it needed only a very simple firing mechanism and low-pressure barrel 1044920;1425692364;asciilifeform;(smooth of course) 1044921;1425692367;mircea_popescu;is this the french "rocket" fired from small arm ? 1044922;1425692371;asciilifeform;but functioned otherwise like a regular pistol 1044923;1425692374;asciilifeform;american 1044924;1425692376;mircea_popescu;that trivially ended up pushing against branches etc ? 1044925;1425692381;asciilifeform;nope 1044926;1425692392;asciilifeform;after a metre or so, went at same speed as regular round 1044927;1425692407;asciilifeform;so no good for shooting a fella in the head directly. but otherwise worked 1044928;1425692432;asciilifeform;today (and for some decades) it is a museum rarity (r. reagan, famously, owned one) 1044929;1425692446;asciilifeform;but i bring it up because of the 'low-tech small arms' thread 1044930;1425692455;asciilifeform;needs only very basic metallurgy 1044931;1425692461;asciilifeform;and can be scaled up arbitrarily 1044932;1425692466;asciilifeform;(being a rocket rather than cannon) 1044933;1425692497;asciilifeform;http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/usa/gyrojet-e.html 1044934;1425692498;assbot;Modern Firearms - Gyrojet ... ( http://bit.ly/18YzEHG ) 1044935;1425692500;asciilifeform;^ basic summary 1044936;1425692503;mircea_popescu;well... once the usd v2.0 pistol rounds thinkg takes form, we can make these :D 1044937;1425692589;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044327 << note that there weren't nearly as many of these in 1995. 1044938;1425692589;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 20:35:22; trinque: they can try; there are hordes of rednecks in the woods already stocked up for armageddon 1044939;1425692593;mircea_popescu;in a sense, the trying causes it. 1044940;1425692621;asciilifeform;http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141024152906/starfrontiers/images/0/07/13mm_gyrojet_pistol_round.jpg << rocket 1044941;1425692623;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9w9tp ) 1044942;1425692644;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044334 << nope, not yet. it still pays. 1044943;1425692644;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 20:38:28; asciilifeform: if there were a 'rural militia' with above room-temperature iq, usa would already look like iraq 1044944;1425692651;asciilifeform;(looks like i misremembered re: fins) 1044945;1425692659;mircea_popescu;give it a week and a half of "we can no longer give you free stuff" 1044946;1425692682;mircea_popescu;remember that time when food stamp system ran out of funds, took a three day hiaturs, everyone held their breath ? 1044947;1425692690;trinque;nobody I was talking about collects food stamps 1044948;1425692704;mircea_popescu;that was the equivalent of the mike hearn "let's test bitcoin". the result came out kinda clearly - 9 maybe 10 days. that's it. 1044949;1425692728;mircea_popescu;trinque sure. but they're not the problem, either. 1044950;1425692774;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: would like Francis Underwood if he were a real person. 1044951;1425692789;mircea_popescu;;;ud Francis Underwood 1044952;1425692790;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Francis+Underwood | Representative Francis J. “Frank†Underwood (born July 26, 1959) is the House Majority Whip and anti-hero of the hit Netflix original "House of Cards". He is, on ... 1044953;1425692807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4985 @ 0.00039876 = 1.9878 BTC [-] 1044954;1425692833;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044342 << i think you grossly misunderstand it. yes, they'd love to be left alone, yes all of them could grow with no deliveries of anything. 1044955;1425692833;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 20:41:27; asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand, this isn't ru circa 1917, the hypothetical rebels don't 'just want to be left alone' - not one in ten thousand is able to grow anything edible without regular deliveries of petrol, pesticides, etc. 1044956;1425692866;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you must be thinking of another usa on another alternate planet earth 1044957;1425692883;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i just think you'd admire someone who'd want to completely gut the welfare state 1044958;1425692884;mircea_popescu;recall, i actually spent months walking that place. 1044959;1425692891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where ? 1044960;1425692891;thestringpuller;s/admire/respect 1044961;1425692895;asciilifeform;appalachia ? 1044962;1425692903;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from boston to nuevo laredo, all the way. 1044963;1425692904;trinque;granted my parents farm might not be the most defensible place, but it *does* produce using about 1850s level tech 1044964;1425692905;asciilifeform;or perhaps where the amish are found ? 1044965;1425692918;asciilifeform;there are a few places with 'living fossils' yes 1044966;1425692920;mircea_popescu;i spent months going from town to town by bus. 1044967;1425692921;trinque;the place even has its own natural gas well, heh 1044968;1425692935;trinque;mircea_popescu: wow, very cool 1044969;1425692947;mircea_popescu;so it may be a case that YOU be thinking of another usa hm ? :D 1044970;1425692958;asciilifeform;trinque: the place even has its own natural gas well << realize that it turns the place into a non-negotiable military objective - read: target - rather than survival haven 1044971;1425692971;mircea_popescu;i thoughjt the discussion was "left alone" 1044972;1425693009;mircea_popescu;trinque chetty was with me! 1044973;1425693023;trinque;mircea_popescu: I want the book on your life someday. 1044974;1425693050;trinque;I'd probably have to learn romanian and read that part of trilema 1044975;1425693061;asciilifeform;my understanding (by no means perfect) is that the 'can produce and feed selves with 1850 tech' and 'armed for civil war' crowds are disjoint sets in usa 1044976;1425693062;mircea_popescu;lol. that'd work. 1044977;1425693070;trinque;asciilifeform: that part does probably rule out the place in particular 1044978;1425693070;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform used to be, 20 years ago. 1044979;1425693073;mircea_popescu;they broadly merged. 1044980;1425693074;trinque;my point was people can produce food 1044981;1425693079;trinque;the gas isn't involved in the food production 1044982;1425693089;trinque;just makes keeping the cows alive easier 1044983;1425693138;asciilifeform;trinque: the gas makes the spot a strategic objective for anyone with pretensions of keeping some basic tech going and any kind of army whatsoever 1044984;1425693165;trinque;no no, I concede that 1044985;1425693168;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the scenario was "stop the trucks!" 1044986;1425693172;asciilifeform;(most likely whatever the largest and nearest usg fragment is) 1044987;1425693182;trinque;the trucks stop and they still eat, til someone comes for the natural gas 1044988;1425693183;mircea_popescu;well... maybe his uncle! 1044989;1425693184;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the short-term picture? sure 1044990;1425693202;mircea_popescu;thjis idea that the remnants automatically inherit the land is naive. one in ten is my experience. 1044991;1425693288;asciilifeform;usg doesn't need 'the land' (again ru-1917 thinking pattern) for much. only the gas wells, etc., industry, fields, slaves 1044992;1425693319;mircea_popescu;this idea that the remnants automatically inherit a chunk of the future is naive. one in ten is my experience. 1044993;1425693396;asciilifeform;probably not automatic, no 1044994;1425693428;mircea_popescu;the reason there even is a remnant in the first place - vz, the collapse - is that they didn't have enough virility in the system. 1044995;1425693445;mircea_popescu;it's not magically sprung up by the end. expect a good half of usg to just lay down and die, just like that. 1044996;1425693456;asciilifeform;but the folks with actual mil training (plus shoulder-launched antitank rockets, real-time satellite view, other goodies) will have a 'fair' fight with the others over it. 1044997;1425693464;mircea_popescu;expect the aspirational 20% to murder the rest of the 40% in the process of selecting the half of itself that may go on. 1044998;1425693473;asciilifeform;sop 1044999;1425693478;mircea_popescu;right. so... one in ten. 1045000;1425693493;trinque;so the stepdad's ex-mil and well armed/trained 1045001;1425693502;mircea_popescu;and 0% of the "responsibility to govern". if two dukedoms over someone makes clitoris stu, expect nobody to care. 1045002;1425693505;trinque;whatever that's worth in the situation 1045003;1425693519;mircea_popescu;trinque hence "<mircea_popescu> well... maybe his uncle!" 1045004;1425693535;trinque;what I'm gathering though is I have very little rational options beyond get rich, and do it now 1045005;1425693546;mircea_popescu;that'd be the gist of it. 1045006;1425693552;asciilifeform;if two dukedoms over someone makes clitoris stu, expect nobody to care << the whole notion that someone must care, is a bizarre creation of the patients in usg asylum 1045007;1425693557;mircea_popescu;unlike at... no point in history, lol. 1045008;1425693565;trinque;heh, yeah 1045009;1425693565;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aye. 1045010;1425693591;*;mircea_popescu delights in picturing the hordes of "awareness raisers". 1045011;1425693618;mircea_popescu;"have you raised any awareness today, brother ?" 1045012;1425693637;trinque;compulsively plugging dead phones into dead outlets over and over 1045013;1425693904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4401 @ 0.00039876 = 1.7549 BTC [-] 1045014;1425694270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00040964 = 4.7928 BTC [+] {2} 1045015;1425694582;asciilifeform;has anyone here managed to get adacore's 'gps' to run on anything other than winblows ? 1045016;1425694586;asciilifeform;(or so much as tried) 1045017;1425694781;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/ross-ulbricht-seeks-new-trial/ 1045018;1425695277;decimation;re: batteries < I've never heard of a non-Pb car battery http://corporate.interstatebatteries.com/msds/ 1045019;1425695278;assbot;Safety Data Sheets (SDS) | Interstate Batteries, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GscbfJ ) 1045020;1425695570;decimation;asciilifeform: re: gyrojet < lol "recoiless rifle" from your fist? Does the exhaust burn your eye out too? 1045021;1425696599;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044411 << "a whore floats in all weather". 1045022;1425696599;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 21:00:46; danielpbarron: i'm probably in the *worst* place to be when this stuff goes down, although asciilifeform's locale doesn't sound very pleasant either 1045023;1425696614;mircea_popescu;location's really a secondary concern. 1045024;1425696680;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044419 <<< fwiw, i watch films made in the past 20 years <1% of the time. 1045025;1425696680;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 21:10:10; cazalla: the majority of movies are shit anyway so even if i had the time to watch them on the reg, they are not even worth pirating 1045026;1425696699;mircea_popescu;talk about a scavenger cult 1045027;1425696859;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044435 << prolly good idea to make this policy now. archive and screenshot EVERYTHING. 1045028;1425696859;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 21:24:35; cazalla: BingoBoingo, maybe should've saved the utorrent forum complaints.. forum offline now lol 1045029;1425696863;mircea_popescu;archive.today thing works fine. 1045030;1425696930;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044436 << so what's the problem with that ? 1045031;1425696930;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 21:25:02; asciilifeform: trinque: the hypothetical 'mutual assistance' org you suggest would roughly resolve to a 'society for let's we all get filthy rich, and not warren-buffet-usg-rich either, but mircea_popescu-rich' 1045032;1425696991;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044448 << "slightly" :D 1045033;1425696991;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 21:27:52; asciilifeform: i might exaggerate slightly, but at any rate it won't be accomplished by a fella with a day job. 1045034;1425697396;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/Avatar_X.txt "On why your comment was removed? Well, you decided to do a slight snide remark and at the same time promote another site. If you had just said: qntra is worth a look. they are more into articles and commentary though. Then you comment would be still there." 1045035;1425697397;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdpbEF ) 1045036;1425697427;mircea_popescu;wassat ? 1045037;1425697500;danielpbarron;a private thing between me and a moderator of "THE Bitcoin Community on Google+ since 2012" 1045038;1425697508;mircea_popescu;lol ok. 1045039;1425697526;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: wallowing with the eagles again, eh ? 1045040;1425697533;decimation;danielpbarron: someone uses google+ besides poettering? 1045041;1425697546;danielpbarron;i was surprised too, decimation 1045042;1425697554;mircea_popescu;there was a fetlife "btc" fetish group 1045043;1425697561;mircea_popescu;dead since... i dunno, 2013ish 1045044;1425697584;danielpbarron;i barely use the thing and i have 1/5 the "views" of Ethereum's page 1045045;1425697645;decimation;I came upon a google+ stat awhile ago in the logs: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2015#987609 1045046;1425697646;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2015 04:54:20; decimation: lol http://www.businessinsider.com/google-active-users-2015-1 " In other words, 0.2-0.3% of all G+ profiles, about 4-6 million users, have made public posts in 2015. " 1045047;1425697690;mircea_popescu;i thought it was pretty much dead, goiung the way of te yahoo briefcase or w/e 1045048;1425697695;decimation;;;calc 0.003*6000000 1045049;1425697696;gribble;18000 1045050;1425697707;asciilifeform;counting supposed users is pure spamatronics anyway 1045051;1425697733;danielpbarron;if it's dead it's because mods like the one i talked to "remove posts and comments all the time and every single day." 1045052;1425697846;decimation;well, if the numbers above are in the right ballpark, google+ has the population of a county seat in rural kansas 1045053;1425697874;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044628 << lol. ironically, it is! 1045054;1425697874;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 23:26:21; kakobrekla: its anal rape half way only 1045055;1425697904;mircea_popescu;decimation i think you're doing it wrong. ~5mn made posts, of a total > 10bn profiles ? 1045056;1425697922;decimation;possibly, I read it the other way 1045057;1425697931;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fderp-january-february-2015-combined-statement/ 1045058;1425697932;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-february-2015-statement/ 1045059;1425697949;decimation;yeah upon re-reading the article you are right 1045060;1425697991;mircea_popescu;it just doesn't make sense for g+ to only have a few mn profiles for all the resoureces they poured into it. 1045061;1425698007;decimation;that's around the population of arizona 1045062;1425698026;mircea_popescu;more's the point, even that watsapp spam outfit had 100mn active. 1045063;1425698052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00040661 = 1.6264 BTC [-] 1045064;1425698075;decimation;yeah but that's a slightly different case right? in the sense that whatsapp enabled cross-platform communications? 1045065;1425698143;*;decimation has never used whatsapp nor ever plans to 1045066;1425698235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2818 @ 0.00041098 = 1.1581 BTC [+] 1045067;1425698264;mircea_popescu;it's mostly a thirld world thing i gather. 1045068;1425698275;*;asciilifeform is just barely aware of what it was/is, and doesn't think he knows anyone who has seen much less used it 1045069;1425698284;decimation;but if they are simply piping sms from one network to another, than their 'user count' has the same significance as that which the bum who owns brooklyn bridge can claim 1045070;1425698348;mircea_popescu;it's an app. 1045071;1425698363;mircea_popescu;their user count has as much significance as princess leia's ex boyfriend count. 1045072;1425698373;mircea_popescu;not like anyone's marrying her anyway. 1045073;1425698392;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044667 << arm is not actually "purpose built silicone". 1045074;1425698392;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 23:47:26; asciilifeform: if you're selling it, having understood the above line of reasoning and can offer no meaningful counter - you are a scammer. 1045075;1425698403;decimation;jabba the hut has a purpose for her 1045076;1425698422;mircea_popescu;does he wear a hoodie ? 1045077;1425698431;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he specifically mentioned cryptoaccelerator modules 1045078;1425698441;mircea_popescu;a 1045079;1425698444;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: (these are often included as coprocessor 'cores' on conventional cpu) 1045080;1425698460;mircea_popescu;and specifically disused by people serious about their crypto 1045081;1425698470;asciilifeform;the chip found in 'pogo', incidentally, has a somewhat dusty one 1045082;1425698473;decimation;asciilifeform: actually you could 'harden' a microcontroller against side channel attacks 1045083;1425698477;asciilifeform;and yes specifically disused 1045084;1425698515;asciilifeform;decimation: the manufacturer can claim to harden against attack. can even do so, to an extent. you - buyer - have no way to distinguish; not to learn what else is - or is not - inside 1045085;1425698528;asciilifeform;i seriously didn't imagine this being such a hard concept for folks to grasp 1045086;1425698545;decimation;asciilifeform: aye. nor could any amount of 'crypto module software' help 1045087;1425698554;mircea_popescu;lol alf giving airgapped guy an incredibly hard time 1045088;1425698590;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044688 << cuz someone pays him toi. 1045089;1425698590;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 23:55:48; asciilifeform: airgapped: let's take your word. why, then, do you spend your days working on a problem to which the answer cannot exist ? 1045090;1425698602;mircea_popescu;i know people who try to write novels. another problem for which the solution can not exist. 1045091;1425698605;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've no idea who he is, but he fit my expected pattern for the inevitably next mr yetmoarspam far too well 1045092;1425698625;mircea_popescu;you gotta learn to behead people after rather than before, you nut you. 1045093;1425698636;mircea_popescu;give love a chance! 1045094;1425698639;asciilifeform;if fella's any good he'll snap that head back on & rejoin 1045095;1425698649;mircea_popescu;if he's any bad, also. 1045096;1425698655;asciilifeform;lol 1045097;1425698657;asciilifeform;probably. 1045098;1425698684;mircea_popescu;why then doi you claim to solve a problem through a process through which no solution could be had! 1045099;1425698702;asciilifeform;hm? 1045100;1425698725;mircea_popescu;explicitly : what is the difference between him making secure crypto arms and you cutting random heads ? 1045101;1425698726;asciilifeform;wouldn't dream of trying to solve the particular problem in that thread 1045102;1425698765;asciilifeform;poor fella arrived just as i was thinking of attempting essay re: specificity-of-diddling 1045103;1425698770;asciilifeform;and ended up it 1045104;1425698783;mircea_popescu;lol. 1045105;1425698785;mircea_popescu;happens. 1045106;1425698792;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044644 << beginning of thread 1045107;1425698792;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 23:41:18; asciilifeform: it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling. 1045108;1425698836;asciilifeform;to borrow mircea_popescu's terminology, buying a dedicated, e.g., rsa silicon, communicates information to enemy which he has no business learning 1045109;1425698845;asciilifeform;regarding your intentions to compute rsa funktion 1045110;1425698852;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1044696 << this is sadly such sop, i doubt most derps even register there's anything wrong with it., 1045111;1425698852;assbot;Logged on 07-03-2015 00:01:46; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and deliberately pseudo-open architecture (runs linux, sure, but with massive closed blobs required even to boot. and vendor regularly pays media mouthpieces to lie about it; also posts astroturfed comments) 1045112;1425698872;asciilifeform;'raspberry' is egregious and famously so even among the other horrors 1045113;1425698898;asciilifeform;in, for example, the fact that the 'blob' does not merely initialize the hardware, but actually runs at all times on its own coprocessor 1045114;1425698910;decimation;asciilifeform: would you ever voluntarily use a broadcom chip for anything? 1045115;1425698923;decimation;asciilifeform: that's sop in every smartphone that exists 1045116;1425698932;decimation;can't even examine the blob 1045117;1425698937;asciilifeform;decimation: can't say that i would 1045118;1425699025;asciilifeform;'from cause rather than from principle' 1045119;1425699052;asciilifeform;folks ask me questions like this in meatspace and i end up explaining that no, i do not necessarily know of a specific sin for that specific part number 1045120;1425699059;asciilifeform;but 'fruit of poison tree' 1045121;1425699084;asciilifeform;*rather than purpose 1045122;1425699097;asciilifeform;damnit 1045123;1425699110;asciilifeform;cause rather than purpose. 1045124;1425699213;decimation;yeah I get your point 1045125;1425699223;asciilifeform;now, i happen to have a large collection of hard (and soft) ware that i consider questionable. but it is kept around specifically for abusive experimentation rather than 'use' in the usual sense. 1045126;1425699238;decimation;hopefully one day you will be able to buy your matrix of logic cells from costco to feed into your Mr Fuser 1045127;1425699291;*;asciilifeform wishes he could name someone other than himself who is working on this problem, but cannot 1045128;1425699326;decimation;so prevailing 30 year fixed mortgage rates went from 3.5 to 4.0 in about 2 weeks 1045129;1425699369;mircea_popescu;clearly desperate bid to reign in inflation 1045130;1425699378;decimation;and 10 year treasuries went from %2.1 to %2.25 just today 1045131;1425699388;mircea_popescu;by now every fucking wikipedia entry containing a sum of dollars has to have a "x in 2013 dollars" affixed. 1045132;1425699403;decimation;all this is because usg released a report that said that 30k more people 'have jobs' and wages were flat 1045133;1425699419;mircea_popescu;no, all this because they're not stupid, and would like to not hang. 1045134;1425699423;decimation;which doesn't mean shit for actual economics but means alot for the magic fed decision meter 1045135;1425699457;mircea_popescu;i'm so curious if next mulatoo in chief actually finds a volcker v2.0 1045136;1425699484;*;asciilifeform wonders what the rate would have to be to cut off the chump flow 1045137;1425699488;asciilifeform;100% ? 1045138;1425699491;asciilifeform;1000? 1045139;1425699549;decimation;the problem is, if you raise rates to the 18% per annum that real estate prices in new york imply, you quickly find that usg is paying all its tax to debtors 1045140;1425699614;mircea_popescu;nah, my guess atm is 32. 1045141;1425699617;mircea_popescu;!up ponzi 1045142;1425699647;ponzi;;;seen wences 1045143;1425699648;gribble;wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 37 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: mircea, are you here? 1045144;1425699651;mircea_popescu;but as a theoretical, probably impractical solution. otherwise, 1-2% hikes each quarter for the next 3-5 years would be what a sane cb would do 1045145;1425699689;mircea_popescu;decimation you don;t mega hike it, you put it on a pain plan. 1045146;1425699753;cazalla;mircea_popescu> archive.today thing works fine. <<< i have started to do this 1045147;1425699760;mircea_popescu;good. 1045148;1425699798;asciilifeform;ideally the mirror would be a genuine #b-a-affiliated box, no ? 1045149;1425699842;asciilifeform;would suck to lose all the mirrored pages in one shot if archive.today is taken out 1045150;1425699869;mircea_popescu;well... yes. 1045151;1425699889;mircea_popescu;nothing beats a local copy, obviously 1045152;1425699902;mircea_popescu;really important stuff can also be deedbot-'d 1045153;1425699942;cazalla;well archive.today provides a download of the archive it makes as well 1045154;1425699958;cazalla;(and yes i know that this cannot be 100% trusted) 1045155;1425699996;mircea_popescu;it makes a nice jpg of the page that can be downloaded. 1045156;1425700044;decimation;what's a 'pain plan'? 1045157;1425700066;decimation;pay the little people 0% when inflation is well above 10%? 1045158;1425700070;mircea_popescu;when you tell the slavegirl "today, you X this much, and tomorrow X+k, and so forth each day X+nk" 1045159;1425700116;mircea_popescu;"the only thing you know for sure is that tomorrow's going to be worse" = pain plan 1045160;1425700131;mircea_popescu;pretty much every good computer game ever. 1045161;1425700146;decimation;heh yeah 1045162;1425700297;decimation;not only will usg be paying all of its tax revenue to debtors, the fed's $4.5 trillion worth of 3% mortgages won't look so good 1045163;1425700438;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1045164;1425700463;mircea_popescu;i'm not a miracle worker, i'm a butcher. i don't revive dead cows, i just cut them apart. 1045165;1425700771;decimation;;;calc 18000000000*0.2 1045166;1425700771;gribble;3600000000 1045167;1425700829;decimation;so at 20% rate, usg pays $3.6 trillion in interest per year. current annual tax revenue is $3.1 trillion 1045168;1425700919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.0341 = 1.0571 BTC [-] 1045169;1425701102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8478 @ 0.00042348 = 3.5903 BTC [+] {2} 1045170;1425701468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00042457 = 3.1843 BTC [+] 1045171;1425701822;decimation;heh EUR/USD fell to $1.08 from $1.10 1045172;1425701858;asciilifeform;now kakobrekla can buy pogo! 1045173;1425701860;asciilifeform;lol 1045174;1425702187;decimation;asciilifeform: now's the time to import euro strange I guess 1045175;1425702793;mircea_popescu;;;later tell decimation short explanation as to why exactly it can no longer be fixed. 1045176;1425702794;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1045177;1425702810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9999 @ 0.00042457 = 4.2453 BTC [+] 1045178;1425703481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00042457 = 2.5899 BTC [+] 1045179;1425703494;mircea_popescu;digging up to see which the fuck earl of somerset was pete talking about (i thought that's a duchy), it turns out there's two different 1st earls of somerset : John Beaufort (Gaunt's son, in 1300s) and Robert Carr, in the 1500s. 1045180;1425703851;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: ;) 1045181;1425703909;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly : the middle german term for a tournament is... butthurt. 1045182;1425703923;mircea_popescu;bouhourt in french. 1045183;1425704762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00042457 = 1.8257 BTC [+] 1045184;1425705201;thestringpuller;!up Vexual 1045185;1425705251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00042574 = 2.4906 BTC [+] {2} 1045186;1425705458;Vexual;why never anyone ups me until i am three sheets? 1045187;1425705572;Vexual;ok so we've got a thing about a cat with good quality management teq 1045188;1425705615;Vexual;weve done poisionous snkes lately tho 1045189;1425705689;Vexual;8 point, what is this.. 1045190;1425705983;Vexual;well, i had this cat wot had 5v kittens 1045191;1425706016;Vexual;one died, presumable of snakebit, and the next day it shooed every other to other places 1045192;1425706032;Vexual;it stopped eating fish and dissappeared, 1045193;1425706086;Vexual;it was eating taipans, and i found them about the house missing the tasty parts, then it really dissappeared but remerged from under a junk pile with 3 new kittens 1045194;1425706112;Vexual;they were the same color but better 1045195;1425706172;Vexual;2 left and one stayed, and the mother also turned into a footstool, again, presumably snakebite 1045196;1425706353;Vexual;aint life grand 1045197;1425706954;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELMxZ96HVAU 1045198;1425707048;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1045199;1425707394;Vexual;;;seen xinxi 1045200;1425707395;gribble;xinxi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: no one is here? 1045201;1425707675;Vexual;working on the hutter prize? 1045202;1425707855;Vexual;^theres some more constraints for your perpect laptop alf 1045203;1425707950;Vexual;if you give a fuck i imagine it makes things real easy 1045204;1425708124;asciilifeform;wai wat 1045205;1425708150;Vexual;my ai prefers wrongness 1045206;1425708188;Vexual;well like your classic laptop is to classic cars, you can do a time test, running your own software 1045207;1425708213;Vexual;and one russiian always wins 1045208;1425708239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00041473 = 2.4054 BTC [-] 1045209;1425708307;Vexual;hed have b-a logs on a knuckle tattoo 1045210;1425708312;*;asciilifeform doesn't know even what kind of dope he ought to take in order to understand any of the above 1045211;1425708337;cazalla;what ya drinking this evening Vexual ? 1045212;1425708351;Vexual;beer, ive gotta drive later 1045213;1425708554;Vexual;as people prefer outcomes these days 1045214;1425708557;Vexual;*ai 1045215;1425708605;Vexual;maybe a taxi then 1045216;1425708666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00041314 = 2.768 BTC [-] {2} 1045217;1425708678;cazalla;yeah sounds an idea unless you've only had a few 1045218;1425708746;Vexual;yes 1045219;1425708763;cazalla;i'm drinking some bundy, meant to drink last night but sidetracked with that orlov article and then zzz 1045220;1425708860;cazalla;!up Vexual 1045221;1425708865;cazalla;drinking this https://www.danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_788413 1045222;1425708870;assbot;Bundaberg Master Distillers Collection Small Batch Rum 700mL | Dan Murphy's | Buy Wine, Champagne, Beer & Spirits Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1aS8ItU ) 1045223;1425708884;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1045224;1425708893;Vexual;brb 1045225;1425708901;cazalla;those master distiller's batches they put out over the years have been hit and miss 1045226;1425709460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5751 @ 0.00042311 = 2.4333 BTC [+] 1045227;1425711915;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1045228;1425712245;cazalla;bah soz vexual, was eating muh dinner 1045229;1425712251;mircea_popescu;heh gotta love the "usg could do shit" muppetry on qntra. 1045230;1425712354;cazalla;i wonder if guy commentating as Jorge Stolfi is Jorge Stolfi 1045231;1425712378;mircea_popescu;not like being jorge stolfi is that valuable. 1045232;1425712381;indiancandy1;hiii 1045233;1425712404;mircea_popescu;who's he again, some random fiat-pushing etatist muppet from brazil ? 1045234;1425712410;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i wouldn't know either way, just saw a wikipedia page!! after googling 1045235;1425712443;mircea_popescu;that's good prima facie evidence of nobodyness. 1045236;1425712522;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jorge_Stolfi << lawl. 1045237;1425712523;assbot;Talk:Jorge Stolfi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1x2OphS ) 1045238;1425712527;mircea_popescu;A Wikipedia contributor, Jorge Stolfi (talk · contribs), may be personally or professionally connected to the subject of this article. Relevant guidelines include Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Autobiography, and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. 1045239;1425712630;mircea_popescu;random etatist muppet from brazil is really a wikipediot first class, too. will wonders never cease. 1045240;1425712732;mircea_popescu;for illustrative purposes, http://38.media.tumblr.com/545009b7f49c13e5d45dafddfc2406a3/tumblr_n676jqxaMl1ttk21ho5_r1_500.gif 1045241;1425712734;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1x2OLVI ) 1045242;1425712737;mircea_popescu;the blondy's name is stolfi. 1045243;1425712847;cazalla;looks like a calypso (iceblock from 80s) 1045244;1425713105;cazalla;danielpbarron, who is avatar x? steph? 1045245;1425713269;cazalla;mircea_popescu: there was a fetlife "btc" fetish group <<< buttcoin? at least it'd be a fitting name 1045246;1425713300;mircea_popescu;lol nope 1045247;1425713304;cazalla;had a few too many drinks so.. 1045248;1425713456;indiancandy1;grr 1045249;1425713458;indiancandy1;wassup yp 1045250;1425713463;indiancandy1;you guya 1045251;1425713466;indiancandy1;guys************** 1045252;1425713554;cazalla;you cam whoring yet indiancandy1 ? 1045253;1425713613;indiancandy1;lol 1045254;1425713616;indiancandy1;what 1045255;1425713627;cazalla;clock's ticking 1045256;1425713677;mircea_popescu;lol 1045257;1425713682;mircea_popescu;how's the film biz ? 1045258;1425713758;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1045259;1425713851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.0004255 = 2.2552 BTC [+] {3} 1045260;1425713910;indiancandy1;its shit 1045261;1425713928;indiancandy1;u no anything about internet marketing] 1045262;1425713996;cazalla;sex sells! 1045263;1425714105;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 everyone thinks they do. 1045264;1425714215;indiancandy1;lol 1045265;1425714217;indiancandy1;no 1045266;1425714220;indiancandy1;man be seriose please 1045267;1425714250;mircea_popescu;i am. 1045268;1425714291;fluffypony;NIGGA BE SERIOSE. PLEASE. 1045269;1425714637;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/d8d38ac8f7c9b15db664eec17b101f88/tumblr_n32qv5ENti1svwz07o1_500.gif internet marketing. 1045270;1425714638;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Foy8Zo ) 1045271;1425714829;indiancandy1;mp u pervert 1045272;1425714888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00042756 = 3.6343 BTC [+] 1045273;1425717572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00042793 = 6.7185 BTC [+] {3} 1045274;1425719036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10692 @ 0.00043193 = 4.6182 BTC [+] {2} 1045275;1425719097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10758 @ 0.00043346 = 4.6632 BTC [+] 1045276;1425720073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00044123 = 1.7208 BTC [+] 1045277;1425721778;cazalla;!up m4rCsi 1045278;1425721781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00044123 = 1.809 BTC [+] 1045279;1425723245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 10000 @ 0.00028609 = 2.8609 BTC [+] 1045280;1425723367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00044388 = 4.1947 BTC [+] {2} 1045281;1425723794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00041672 = 1.3752 BTC [-] 1045282;1425723944;cazalla;!up indiancandy1 1045283;1425724282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6936 @ 0.00041672 = 2.8904 BTC [-] 1045284;1425725990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00044515 = 1.2019 BTC [+] 1045285;1425727088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7534 @ 0.0004241 = 3.1952 BTC [-] {2} 1045286;1425727393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3704 @ 0.0004493 = 1.6642 BTC [+] 1045287;1425729223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00042258 = 3.2116 BTC [-] {2} 1045288;1425734103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00042017 = 1.4286 BTC [-] {2} 1045289;1425735079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00041495 = 1.888 BTC [-] 1045290;1425735140;danielpbarron;cazalla> danielpbarron, who is avatar x? steph? << no idea; some guy who sent me a private message on google+ who thinks he's important or something 1045291;1425735180;nubbins`;re: raspi blob 1045292;1425735182;nubbins`;http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf 1045293;1425735185;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18ZRpqc ) 1045294;1425735194;nubbins`;baby steps 1045295;1425735206;nubbins`;(^ released over 1y ago!) 1045296;1425735255;nubbins`;also http://anholt.livejournal.com/ 1045297;1425735267;nubbins`;(Also: lj?!) 1045298;1425735353;danielpbarron;height=257915 vs height=201620 (usb3: height=235018) 1045299;1425735689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.0004235 = 3.6209 BTC [+] 1045300;1425735740;asciilifeform;nubbins`: they are contractually obligated to never fully deblob it on account of mpeg 'license' crapolade 1045301;1425735806;asciilifeform;nubbins`: and the vendor is an known, egregious, and unrepentant liar, intent on giving an impression of 'open' for some strange reason 1045302;1425735877;nubbins`;yeah, i read the non-info of the press release bragging about open-sourcing the shim between the cpu and gpu 1045303;1425735890;nubbins`;who gives a fuck about mpeg tho! (aside from those who do) 1045304;1425735922;nubbins`;re: open, it's just the fashionable clothing these days 8) 1045305;1425735933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00042379 = 3.8777 BTC [+] {2} 1045306;1425736057;nubbins`;my understanding is that mpeg is required for their camera add-on (no idea why) 1045307;1425736070;nubbins`;really don't see the problem w/ swapping out for ogg 1045308;1425736345;asciilifeform;nubbins`: their chip isn't quite fast enough for guaranteed real-time high-res video without the hardware accel. 1045309;1425736364;nubbins`;nod 1045310;1425736393;nubbins`;and if there's one thing necessary to bringing STEM education to third-world classrooms... 1045311;1425736422;asciilifeform;l0l 1045312;1425736424;nubbins`;it's 1080p @ 60fps o.O 1045313;1425736726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00042117 = 4.3802 BTC [-] {2} 1045314;1425736776;*;nubbins` shrugs, continues using raspi as AirPlay receiver 1045315;1425738190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00041586 = 1.6426 BTC [-] 1045316;1425741423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00041443 = 3.1704 BTC [-] {4} 1045317;1425741789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2658 @ 0.00042228 = 1.1224 BTC [+] 1045318;1425741876;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1045296 << sounds pretty painful. 1045319;1425741876;assbot;Logged on 07-03-2015 13:34:15; nubbins`: also http://anholt.livejournal.com/ 1045320;1425741899;nubbins`;he's using livejournal, obv masoch 1045321;1425741957;nubbins`;but yeah, 2nd sentence, "I learned some unstated rules about..." 1045322;1425741959;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1045323;1425741965;mircea_popescu;on both scores. 1045324;1425741973;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1045301 << who do you count there ? broadcom ? 1045325;1425741973;assbot;Logged on 07-03-2015 13:43:26; asciilifeform: nubbins`: and the vendor is an known, egregious, and unrepentant liar, intent on giving an impression of 'open' for some strange reason 1045326;1425741999;mircea_popescu;the eben upton broadcom response to rhel's poettering ? 1045327;1425742052;nubbins`;so, i'm sure we all know why debian is called debian 1045328;1425742083;nubbins`;i'm researching some soy-based industrial cleaning products from a company called franmar 1045329;1425742092;nubbins`;owned by -- you guessed it -- a frank and a marilyn 1045330;1425742109;mircea_popescu;nubbins` because that's the first thin through murdock's mind ? 1045331;1425742134;PeterL;RE gyrojet: one thing that sped failure was 13 mm caliber, which exceeded the 12mm size limit, so needed extra note from stalin 1045332;1425742183;PeterL;it would be interesting to see something a bit larger tried with grenade shell 1045333;1425742295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: broadcom. but also the apologists (many of whom, i gather, weren't even -paid- shills, but merely fools) 1045334;1425742311;mircea_popescu;well, it tried for the entire "being apple" marketing thing. 1045335;1425742332;mircea_popescu;no steve, so not the same results, but it does show there exists this partiuclar herd of cattle in the wild, ready for a milking 1045336;1425742367;mircea_popescu;PeterL you mean fired from grenade launcher ? 1045337;1425742379;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i kinda followed the whole thing; even bought - back when it was not clear what it was - the device (1st ed. 'raspberry') 1045338;1425742400;PeterL;yeah, sort of a small grenade launcher combining some attributes of gyrojet 1045339;1425742409;asciilifeform;(still have it, and the camera option. mostly gathers dust.) 1045340;1425742414;mircea_popescu;afaik there's only one size grenade launcher. 1045341;1425742424;PeterL;I guess if you scale up any more you get RPG 1045342;1425742460;*;PeterL knows little about current tech in grenade launcers 1045343;1425742475;asciilifeform;^ afaik those haven't really changed since ww2 1045344;1425742481;mircea_popescu;actually you get the muchly admired panzerhaubitze 2000 1045345;1425742506;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V_-iZYIofU <<< in other news, jack black is a talented fuck. 1045346;1425742507;assbot;High Fidelity - Jack Black - Let's Get It On - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVAs7W ) 1045347;1425742523;PeterL;so my question is if they would be improved by adding gyrojet-type propulsion? 1045348;1425742554;mircea_popescu;"Broadcom Corporation is an American fabless semiconductor company in the wireless and broadband communication business." 1045349;1425742555;asciilifeform;PeterL: different animal, really - rocket vs shell 1045350;1425742584;mircea_popescu;"Obama is an American educationless Stanford graduate in the politics and constitutional amendments business" 1045351;1425742631;mircea_popescu;"H R Clinton is a American penisless disk jockey in the porn and sexy business" 1045352;1425742641;mircea_popescu;gotta love tardspedia. 1045353;1425742873;nubbins`;so franmar's cleaning products are all based on methyl soyate 1045354;1425742885;nubbins`;which means that i can get a goddamn /haze remover/ that's drain-safe :0 1045355;1425742897;PeterL;yesterday I was driving through Western Michigan, saw a house with a big Confederate flag in the front yard. was like WTF? 1045356;1425742988;mircea_popescu;speaking of heavy howitzers : a move reminescent of the dumping of the warthog is the army cancellation of crusader paladin upgrade / any nlsc weapon at all. leaving the paladin, a 1960s make, as the pretty much only us howitzer for the rest of history. 1045357;1425743009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00041272 = 4.0442 BTC [-] {2} 1045358;1425743010;mircea_popescu;that the russians are beating them at air tech is painful but perhaps unavoidable - kennedy's spur failed to outlast kennedy. 1045359;1425743018;mircea_popescu;but that the germans are beating them over artillery ?! cmon. 1045360;1425743039;asciilifeform;the actual selection criteria for u.s. weapons systems funding are not a secret... 1045361;1425743085;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i thought that thing was toxic. 1045362;1425743086;PeterL;US verison of "austerity" is to cut the most useful platforms, trying to scare politicians into giving more funding? 1045363;1425743106;nubbins`;mircea_popescu apparently way, way less toxic than traditional haze removers: lye and bleach 1045364;1425743107;mircea_popescu;PeterL i dunno, but the parallels with 1935 england are striking. 1045365;1425743118;nubbins`;mircea_popescu also biodegradable fwiw 1045366;1425743127;mircea_popescu;nubbins` now this all depends. lye and bleach ARE biodegradable. 1045367;1425743132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00041109 = 1.5827 BTC [-] 1045368;1425743133;mircea_popescu;whether this thing degrades or accumulates... 1045369;1425743145;nubbins`;hmm fair 1045370;1425743170;nubbins`;Methyl soyate has a high solvency with a Kauri-butanol (KB) value of 58 and has low toxicity when compared to other common substances. In comparison to most commercial solvents, methyl soyate is safer to handle and store due to its high flashpoint of approximately 360 degrees Fahrenheit and high boiling point of well over 400 degrees Fahrenheit. In addition, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) does not list methyl soyate as an 1045371;1425743170;nubbins`; ozone-depleting chemical (ODC), hazardous air pollutant or volatile organic compound. Methyl soyate�s slow evaporation time can be seen as a disadvantage, but in certain applications methyl soyate outperforms other traditional solvents when longer settle times are needed. 1045372;1425743216;mircea_popescu;http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/chem_background/exsumpdf/methylsoyate_508.pdf 1045373;1425743217;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpCySP ) 1045374;1425743233;nubbins`;(information provided by the United Soybean Board!) 1045375;1425743238;mircea_popescu;lol 1045376;1425743238;asciilifeform;when biodiesel is finally boiled from lusers, 1045377;1425743245;asciilifeform;will it be sold as 'methyl luserate' ? 1045378;1425743248;mircea_popescu;no, i get it, there's this soy lobby. nevertheless... 1045379;1425743262;mircea_popescu;anyone recall the florida orange lobby push for "use orange peels in cleanning products" ? 1045380;1425743263;asciilifeform;methyl redditate 1045381;1425743278;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ethyl ? 1045382;1425743286;mircea_popescu;make an old bingo happy. 1045383;1425743289;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what a crock o'shit that was! still sometimes comes with heatsinks as 'degreaser' 1045384;1425743308;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shut up you unpatriotic bastard you! 1045385;1425743309;nubbins`;heh 1045386;1425743313;mircea_popescu;IT WAS FOR THE ECONOMY 1045387;1425743315;nubbins`;citrus cleaners are still available 1045388;1425743322;nubbins`;you find em at outdoorsy stores sometimes 1045389;1425743345;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i guess they weren't terribad. but still, the push is the lulz. 1045390;1425743352;nubbins`;nod 1045391;1425743364;nubbins`;FWIW i've used these methyl soyate products before 1045392;1425743369;nubbins`;and they're actually fucking *nuts*. 1045393;1425743382;nubbins`;like, nothing compares. 1045394;1425743386;mircea_popescu;"and im happy to report no flying frogs trying to get into the house yet, so there is that." 1045395;1425743396;nubbins`;nod, they just hover outside the windows 8) 1045396;1425743431;mircea_popescu;"making squealing sounds like my ex wife, trying to get me to go out" 1045397;1425743441;mircea_popescu;"but i know better than that, after what happened to little timmy next door." 1045398;1425743498;PeterL;one project I worked at last job on was making a "cleaner" from glycerol (which is a big side product from biodiesel production) 1045399;1425743508;mircea_popescu;;;google carbon tetrasulphide 1045400;1425743509;gribble;Carbon disulfide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; carbon disulfide (CS2) | chemical compound | Encyclopedia Britannica: ; Carbon disulphide: 1045401;1425743526;mircea_popescu;^ i used to handle that as a teen! 1045402;1425743534;nubbins`;most of what i know about chemistry comes from screenprinting 1045403;1425743544;nubbins`;phun phact, sodium metaperiodite breaks dichromate bonds 1045404;1425743558;nubbins`;or in layman's terms, emulsion remover removes emulsion ;p 1045405;1425743581;mircea_popescu;lol 1045406;1425743600;PeterL;nubbins`: FWIW i've used these methyl soyate products before << used as solvent? 1045407;1425743608;nubbins`;yeah 1045408;1425743609;mircea_popescu;nah, he does whippets 1045409;1425743615;nubbins`;they fucking *cancel* plastisol inks 1045410;1425743617;mircea_popescu;with a wide variety of compounds 1045411;1425743642;nubbins`;i actually did a couple whippets last month for the first time since uni 1045412;1425743647;nubbins`;10/10 would not do again 1045413;1425743669;mircea_popescu;prolly cause they changed the laughing gas for tear gas meanwhile. 1045414;1425743671;mircea_popescu;cheaper per ton. 1045415;1425743683;nubbins`;probs 1045416;1425743689;nubbins`;besides, not like i'd know the diff 1045417;1425743716;pete_dushenski;gooood morning! 1045418;1425743718;mircea_popescu;anyway, let it be pointed out that kb 50ish is not really high or anything. 1045419;1425743727;PeterL;didn't we decide propane would be a good substitute gas for the whipped stuff? 1045420;1425743732;asciilifeform;'a smell of petroleum prevails throughout' (TM) 1045421;1425743736;mircea_popescu;naphtaromatics are what, 500 ? 1045422;1425743757;nubbins`;PeterL propane is used as a propellant in food products 1045423;1425743761;mircea_popescu;PeterL either that or fairy farts, i don't remember. that whole day's a haze. 1045424;1425743780;nubbins`;mircea_popescu try some haze remover 1045425;1425743782;nubbins`;it's made from soy 1045426;1425743788;nubbins`;XD 1045427;1425743794;mircea_popescu;there's hazardous chemicals, and then there's hazearduous chemicals. 1045428;1425743804;nubbins`;yeah 1045429;1425743825;mircea_popescu;how goes petey. 1045430;1425743829;asciilifeform;http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/03/31/turpentine-prevails 1045431;1425743831;assbot;Secret of the Universe: A Strong Smell of Turpentine Prevails Throughout | Quote Investigator ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpEvPe ) 1045432;1425743831;nubbins`;haze remover was traditionally the most caustic thing in the shop 1045433;1425743844;pete_dushenski;quite nicely mp! 1045434;1425743856;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know as a kid i used to go to a school whose wooden floorings were turpentined each week ? 1045435;1425743859;nubbins`;incidentally not all solvents are created equal for these jobs 1045436;1425743862;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnW3xkHxIEQ&app=desktop << lulzy president continues to lulz 1045437;1425743864;assbot;Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifianakis: President Barack Obama - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpEA5l ) 1045438;1425743864;mircea_popescu;positively loved the smell. 1045439;1425743867;nubbins`;mineral spirits, for example. terrible ink remover. 1045440;1425743884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: betcha love greek wine too 1045441;1425743887;nubbins`;causes the resin particles to swell 1045442;1425743892;pete_dushenski;two cents say 'sneezing baby panda' runs on the gop ticket against hillary 1045443;1425743897;asciilifeform;drinking turpentine was good enough for socrates.. 1045444;1425743910;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait wut ?! 1045445;1425743914;asciilifeform;ritsina 1045446;1425743925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00042228 = 9.079 BTC [+] 1045447;1425743926;mircea_popescu;the greek word for hemlock was translated by the amjew word for turpentine ?! 1045448;1425743930;asciilifeform;nono 1045449;1425743937;asciilifeform;the turpentine from the casks 1045450;1425743974;mircea_popescu;it's damned pine resin you noob! if you can't tell pine from turpentine you've really no business sniffing aromatics! 1045451;1425743986;mircea_popescu;go back to girls! 1045452;1425744004;asciilifeform;pine resin << and turpentine's waht 1045453;1425744024;mircea_popescu;the distillate from corpses of old lawyers and schoolmasters. 1045454;1425744026;nubbins`;resin-based booze 8) 1045455;1425744055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought that was benedictine, lol 1045456;1425744057;PeterL;pete_dushenski: two cents say 'sneezing baby panda' runs on the gop ticket against hillary << are you referring to one of the politicians, or an actual panda? 1045457;1425744081;mircea_popescu;anyway. a) they're mostly using "syntetic" turpentine, which is an oil product ; b) ;;google pistacia terebinthus 1045458;1425744095;pete_dushenski;PeterL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzRH3iTQPrk 1045459;1425744096;assbot;The Sneezing Baby Panda - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpFheZ ) 1045460;1425744160;pete_dushenski;other potential gop candidates: purple rain, 'leave britni alone', wayahee guy 1045461;1425744179;mircea_popescu;urmom ? 1045462;1425744215;pete_dushenski;basically, all these doods : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEpwBVXbKhs 1045463;1425744217;assbot;South Park - Youtube Parodies - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVFuBr ) 1045464;1425744232;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: she's not much for politics ;) 1045465;1425744258;nubbins`;wow, this ink remover is actually marketed as a /mastic/ remover 1045466;1425744282;pete_dushenski;s/purple rain/chocolate rain 1045467;1425744294;pete_dushenski;purple rain was prince... 1045468;1425744303;nubbins`;^ 1045469;1425744305;mircea_popescu;arabic gum ? so ? 1045470;1425744307;nubbins`;i'd vote for prince 1045471;1425744320;nubbins`;"will effectively remove white and yellow mastic and even black asbestos mastic for as low as $.11 per square foot with absolutely no odor and minimal efforts" 1045472;1425744344;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: if you could vote for any american candidate, sure. 1045473;1425744354;nubbins`;yeah, this is all hypothetical 1045474;1425744383;mircea_popescu;fun fact : the island of chios, named Sakız Adası in turkish, is what led to romanian calling it sachiz. 1045475;1425744410;nubbins`;the mastic island! 1045476;1425744435;mircea_popescu;mhm 1045477;1425744483;nubbins`;i can only assume this shares a root with the verb "masticate" 1045478;1425744510;mircea_popescu;it does, as it's how it was used. 1045479;1425744538;mircea_popescu;apparently incredibly loved in the harems, which hadn't yet met the yanks (who had not yet met buffett) so there was no wrigley's. 1045480;1425744558;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1045171 << now if only cad would stop getting pounded by chf 1045481;1425744558;assbot;Logged on 07-03-2015 04:17:02; decimation: heh EUR/USD fell to $1.08 from $1.10 1045482;1425744599;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: how do you feel about this new canadian exchange? 1045483;1425744601;pete_dushenski;why do i care about chf-cad ? planning a trip there for may upcoming! 1045484;1425744609;thestringpuller;My google and youtube is littered with ads from them. 1045485;1425744615;thestringpuller;Smells like neo-bee almost. 1045486;1425744616;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: um quardriga ? 1045487;1425744619;thestringpuller;yessir 1045488;1425744623;pete_dushenski;they're not particularly new 1045489;1425744627;nubbins`;^ 1045490;1425744635;nubbins`;<--won't sign up 1045491;1425744639;pete_dushenski;but yes, i've also seen their ads splashed absolutely everywhere 1045492;1425744642;thestringpuller;why are they generating so much press right now? (other than the "publicly traded") 1045493;1425744651;nubbins`;thestringpuller only remaining canadian exchange 1045494;1425744664;asciilifeform; apparently incredibly loved in the harems << amplified the lulz from remembering that the first (and until moving to usa, only) gum i ever chewed on was turkish 1045495;1425744665;pete_dushenski;because now some derps in vancouver want to 'get on the bitcoin train' 1045496;1425744680;pete_dushenski;and think that this is a reasonable way: advertising! investing! exchanges! 1045497;1425744683;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1045310 << can't get boys into tech without getting the girls into nudity. 1045498;1425744683;assbot;Logged on 07-03-2015 13:53:13; nubbins`: and if there's one thing necessary to bringing STEM education to third-world classrooms... 1045499;1425744699;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i recall reading that you had it too - the one with the racecar photos 1045500;1425744713;asciilifeform;'turbo' (there were others, i think) 1045501;1425744720;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform defo. 1045502;1425744732;mircea_popescu;turbo was for kids tho, we had the one before that. with fake money. 1045503;1425744735;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sorta my (and i'm sure many other's here) youth 1045504;1425744757;pete_dushenski;tech was the gateway to girly pics 1045505;1425744783;pete_dushenski;*others, not other's 1045506;1425744801;pete_dushenski;or maybe others' 1045507;1425744817;mircea_popescu;http://www.robotstxt.org/db/ferret.html << what in the Heaven Of Shit's name is this! 1045508;1425744817;assbot;The Web Robots Pages ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVH5Hn ) 1045509;1425744825;mircea_popescu;The wild ferret web hopper's are designed as specific agents to retrieve data from all available sources on the internet. They work in an onion format hopping from spot to spot one level at a time over the internet. The information is gathered into different relational databases, known as "Hazel's Horde". 1045510;1425744826;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: either way, they seem to be reasonably reliable 1045511;1425744844;mircea_popescu;known as "we're well the fuck confused, and what are these word things again ? ooo... shiny!" 1045512;1425744844;pete_dushenski;quardriga hasn't done anything exceptionally derpy to my knowledge 1045513;1425744854;pete_dushenski;and i would've heard about it. 1045514;1425744871;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski at least it's not called bitquacoin. 1045515;1425744872;nubbins`;-cad seems ambivalent 1045516;1425744982;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: "reasonably reliable" sounds like drug dealer who shows up 5 hours late, but still doesn't short you. 1045517;1425745037;pete_dushenski;lol i think they're better than that. a broker i've done a few deals with swears by gerald's business 1045518;1425745058;pete_dushenski;gerald cotton, ceo 1045519;1425745091;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1045520;1425745092;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 273.72, Best ask: 273.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 273.65, 24 hour volume: 19983.55257685, 24 hour low: 270.55, 24 hour high: 276.93, 24 hour vwap: None 1045521;1425745375;nubbins`;pete_dushenski i'm just not interested in providing a scan of my passport/drivers license 1045522;1425745408;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: you've got a local broker then ? or -otc ? 1045523;1425745419;pete_dushenski;not saying i am either, frankly 1045524;1425745434;pete_dushenski;interested in kyc, that is 1045525;1425745586;nubbins`;pete_dushenski i generally do not buy/sell btc 1045526;1425745600;nubbins`;on the rare occasions that i need to, -otc 1045527;1425745793;pete_dushenski;ya so you *really* have no interest in quadriga :) 1045528;1425745820;nubbins`;:D 1045529;1425745823;pete_dushenski;i don't have a ton of personal interest either, just the least stinky poo, i guess. 1045530;1425745831;*;pete_dushenski doesn't eat poo 1045531;1425745839;nubbins`;i'm fascinated that they let you deposit and withdraw physical gold 1045532;1425745854;pete_dushenski;and they 'verify' accounts in, like, an hour 1045533;1425745864;nubbins`;o 1045534;1425745865;pete_dushenski;whereas cavirtex was... weeks ? 1045535;1425745875;nubbins`;fuck cavirtex for 4 or 5 reasons 1045536;1425745895;pete_dushenski;with a spikey stick 1045537;1425745896;nubbins`;fuck vaultofsatoshi because they dealt in fuckin doge 1045538;1425745902;pete_dushenski;lol 1045539;1425745920;pete_dushenski;i suppose that relative to doge, gold seems like way less of a scam 1045540;1425745921;nubbins`;"but we're serious biznismen, promise" 1045541;1425745929;pete_dushenski;from toronto! 1045542;1425745940;nubbins`;where important men do important things! 1045543;1425745946;pete_dushenski;home of all the bizniz! 1045544;1425745955;nubbins`;and etobicokeans! 1045545;1425746048;nubbins`;https://www.quadrigacx.com/trade/btc/xau 1045546;1425746049;assbot;Quadriga Coin Exchange | Trade ... ( http://bit.ly/1aT27zv ) 1045547;1425746082;pete_dushenski;lol my bro lives in etobicoke at the moment 1045548;1425746095;nubbins`;tell him to stop voting Ford? 1045549;1425746103;pete_dushenski;lol i tried... 1045550;1425746126;nubbins`;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102459024#. 1045551;1425746128;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aT2eev ) 1045552;1425746142;nubbins`;can someone please explain to me why this is an issue? 1045553;1425746157;nubbins`;"massive panic as government needs to change value of magic number that means nothing" 1045554;1425746218;asciilifeform;nubbins`: ceremonial 1045555;1425746258;asciilifeform;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102484418 << another l0l 1045556;1425746260;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1aT2rOJ ) 1045557;1425746400;pete_dushenski;phreak attacks. 1045558;1425746670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00041109 = 3.0421 BTC [-] 1045559;1425747341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9340 @ 0.00041109 = 3.8396 BTC [-] 1045560;1425747904;thestringpuller;oh are we talking about debt celining again? 1045561;1425747921;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: more ritualistic than ceremonial imo 1045562;1425747949;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: was thinking about you last night as we were messing with high amp electronics in the car. 1045563;1425747976;thestringpuller;we were drunk as fuck and I immediately though, "would alf approve?" to see whether or not the procedure we were undertaking would kill us 1045564;1425748073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00040898 = 4.1102 BTC [-] {2} 1045565;1425748082;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: just what was it you were doing? 1045566;1425748143;thestringpuller;fucking around with batteries in the not good way 1045567;1425748166;thestringpuller;i eventually had the thought, "Yea ALF would frown on this, lets die another day shall we?" 1045568;1425748261;asciilifeform;thestringpuller was sticking tongue in the smoke socket or what 1045569;1425748290;thestringpuller;^pretty much 1045570;1425748323;asciilifeform;lol 1045571;1425748379;thestringpuller;don't have multimeter? use tongue instead. 1045572;1425748397;thestringpuller;if death occurs prob > 1 amp 1045573;1425748400;thestringpuller;precision may very 1045574;1425748406;thestringpuller;vary* 1045575;1425748542;nubbins`;good news! my browser appears to be safe from the security bug i just found out about 1045576;1425748567;*;nubbins` shrugs 1045577;1425748628;thestringpuller;nubbins`: what's the bad news? 1045578;1425748653;nubbins`;...i can't afford another macbook when this one dies? 1045579;1425748663;*;nubbins` shrugs again 1045580;1425748791;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this isn't even it 1045581;1425748808;asciilifeform;nubbins`: there -aren't- any more actual macbooks (in, e.g., the 2010 sense) to be had 1045582;1425748811;asciilifeform;and never will be again 1045583;1425748834;asciilifeform;instead you can buy a 'macbook' where the lcd fractures spontaneously. and/or one where the gpu melts 1045584;1425748846;asciilifeform;or you can just mail apple a box of benjies and skip the suffering 1045585;1425748957;kakobrekla;http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200602-utorrent-accused-of-bundling-cryptocurrency-malware-with-popular-bittorrent-client 1045586;1425748958;assbot;uTorrent accused of bundling cryptocurrency malware with popular BitTorrent client | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mi5Eof ) 1045587;1425748968;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: we did that one yesterday 1045588;1425748974;kakobrekla;ah. 1045589;1425748981;*;kakobrekla guilty 1045590;1425749002;asciilifeform;although 1045591;1425749007;asciilifeform;'As for the chosen programs, both of Epic Scale’s choices are Y-Combinator darlings, but one of them, the HIV vaccine immunity project, has been heavily criticized by scientists for having no actual scientists involved and for pursuing debunked methods of vaccine research.' << is a new l0l 1045592;1425749014;asciilifeform;anyone care to dig up the details ? 1045593;1425749078;adlai;asciilifeform: all i know is an HN headline which i didn't bother opening: "[yc company] (YC '15) finds cures for diseases which don't yet exist" 1045594;1425749093;adlai;(some mysteries are best left mysterious) 1045595;1425749119;kakobrekla;O_o 1045596;1425749171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 111 @ 0.03697918 = 4.1047 BTC [+] {4} 1045597;1425749233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7590 @ 0.00042343 = 3.2138 BTC [+] {2} 1045598;1425749233;kakobrekla;> I saw the Add/Remove option in the usual place. The installer, it must be noted, is completely broken and uninstalls essentially nothing — but broken uninstallers, in and of themselves, are not crimes. 1045599;1425749237;kakobrekla;myea, too bad about that. 1045600;1425749283;adlai;eh, i'd say that broken uninstallers are 'crimes' at the same level as running a rigged shell game on a touristy broadwalk 1045601;1425749315;adlai;the marks deserve what they get, but i wouldn't want my daughter marrying the dealer 1045602;1425750709;pete_dushenski;;;bc,stats 1045603;1425750715;gribble;Current Blocks: 346590 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 161 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 12 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47182125267.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.0662 1045604;1425751062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00042584 = 2.3847 BTC [+] 1045605;1425751361;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform has yet to discover "extended care" apparently. 1045606;1425751372;ben_vulpes;proverbial "box of benjies". 1045607;1425751400;ben_vulpes;has this magical effect of guaranteeing hardware performance for 3 years. 1045608;1425751519;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: didn't work for my 2 chums 1045609;1425751525;asciilifeform;their machines were -new- 1045610;1425751530;asciilifeform;and apple wouldn't take them back 1045611;1425751535;asciilifeform;'it was something you did' 1045612;1425751584;ben_vulpes;it's because you live in the Forbidden City. 1045613;1425751589;ben_vulpes;nobody likes that part of the country. 1045614;1425751607;asciilifeform;apples stores everywhere 1045615;1425751608;ben_vulpes;apple ships you people all the 'B' grade hardware. 1045616;1425751613;asciilifeform;packed like trains. 1045617;1425751623;ben_vulpes;they also know exactly how quality each device is. 1045618;1425751628;ben_vulpes;east coast gets the bum hardware. 1045619;1425751648;ben_vulpes;call cali: "oop, sorry. we don't like your kind." 1045620;1425751670;ben_vulpes;"why are you using macintoshes anyways - don't you get government stipends to buy the 10k windows laptops?" 1045621;1425751768;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: only the pentagon does 1045622;1425751804;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you're thinking of 'toughbook' and similar, these aren't normally found among 'desk pilots' 1045623;1425751816;ben_vulpes;nah, the pentagon can barely intercept mail to Fat Kim that has "TOP SEKKREIT PLZ NO BULLY" written all over it 1045624;1425751847;asciilifeform;(if you want to see one, peek into a police car. for some reason the laptop permanently bolted in place there is inevitably a 'tougbook') 1045625;1425751864;pete_dushenski;i've even seen the derps in the photo radar trucks using toughbooks around here 1045626;1425751867;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: seen, entirely in character for bezzleprocurement. 1045627;1425751914;ben_vulpes;anyways, feds can't pull their heads out of their arses. apple, otoh, targets you and yours specifically for pain. 1045628;1425751918;ben_vulpes;"lizard steve". 1045629;1425751924;pete_dushenski;http://www.edmontonjournal.com/cms/binary/10257299.jpg?size=620x400s 1045630;1425751925;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be9lHY ) 1045631;1425751930;pete_dushenski;^actual photo 1045632;1425751978;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'for your convenience we have packaged the defective transistors separately' ? (famous) 1045633;1425752015;asciilifeform;(jp reply to an american co. which requested, some time in the '70s, a crate of transistors with the 'usual x% defectives') 1045634;1425752160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00041645 = 2.4362 BTC [-] {2} 1045635;1425755210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00043792 = 1.0948 BTC [+] {2} 1045636;1425755576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.000439 = 2.3267 BTC [+] 1045637;1425756308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7320 @ 0.00043763 = 3.2035 BTC [-] 1045638;1425756308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.03410024 = 1.023 BTC [-] {2} 1045639;1425756430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00044012 = 3.0148 BTC [+] {2} 1045640;1425757035;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << 'CloudFront attempted to establish a connection with the origin, but either the attempt failed or the origin closed the connection. ' >> ??!?! 1045641;1425757036;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/180dgwv ) 1045642;1425757085;asciilifeform;jurov ^^^^^^^^ ?! 1045643;1425757091;asciilifeform;mod6? 1045644;1425757136;ben_vulpes;mailman is jurov's beast. 1045645;1425757884;mircea_popescu; lol i think they're better than that. a broker i've done a few deals with swears by << it'd help if he were in wot 1045646;1425757977;mircea_popescu; can someone please explain to me why this is an issue? << because for as long as this is a pretend-issue, they can continue to pretend-ignore the various actual issues. 1045647;1425758019;mircea_popescu;i love how "asap", originally a meek "whenver you have a moment" has meanwhile mutated in usenglish to OMFG RIGHT NOW EMERGENCI 1045648;1425758293;danielpbarron;i actually had a pallet take up precious needed space for longer than expected due to the stupid government shutdown 1045649;1425758307;mircea_popescu; nah, the pentagon can barely intercept mail to Fat Kim that has "TOP SEKKREIT PLZ NO BULLY" written all over it << bwahahaha 1045650;1425758321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11440 @ 0.00043763 = 5.0065 BTC [-] 1045651;1425758382;mircea_popescu;cloud wut !? 1045652;1425758489;mircea_popescu;"What if the federal government handed you a check for $1,000? Would that go to that new pair of shoes you've had your eye on? Dinner for the family? Credit card bills? The possibilities are endless." 1045653;1425758498;mircea_popescu;dude cnn sure makes the us sound like east africa. 1045654;1425758507;mircea_popescu;srsly, shoes and food, or else debt ? 1045655;1425758560;mircea_popescu;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102318876 << worth reading for the sheer moronity embedded. 1045656;1425758562;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPgwa0 ) 1045657;1425758569;mircea_popescu;"Some would argue it would mean nothing to the U.S. economy or the consumer's budget anyway. Only a rich person would be that insensitive," the "Mad Money" host said. 1045658;1425758604;mircea_popescu;"Here's the good news: you could have already received that $1,000, but from another source. Pretty sweet, right? It landed in your pocket from a combination of the Persian Gulf nations, non-Opec trading partners, and U.S. oil companies. 1045659;1425758604;mircea_popescu;Thanks, oil! 1045660;1425758604;mircea_popescu;These entities outside of the U.S. have been making money hand over fist for years from oil, and Cramer thinks it is about time that this cartel that kept oil unnaturally high priced for so long return it back to hard working citizens." 1045661;1425758643;mircea_popescu;it just... it's not even bitcointalk level. if these people were fired tomorrow, not all of them would qualify to write ranty nonsensical posts on tardstalk in defense of an entrepreneurial artisan woodcarver or w/e. 1045662;1425758679;asciilifeform;probably an intern 1045663;1425758704;mircea_popescu;Abigail Stevenson Digital Producer 1045664;1425758718;mircea_popescu;she looks like a would be porn starlet that didn't make the cut, tbh. 1045665;1425758723;*;asciilifeform analog consumer 1045666;1425758803;mircea_popescu;i wonder how people justify working there to themselves. "o, i am now stuck in traffic driving towards my workplace, which is cnn. where that fucktard abigail stevenson works. it must mean i'm as incredibly stupid as she is ?!" 1045667;1425758817;mircea_popescu;what goes next ? "no, because i bought that new pair of shoes and dinner" ? 1045668;1425758843;asciilifeform;neh it goes 'no i get to pay rent. mine is not to question why, mine is but to do and die (TM)' 1045669;1425758850;asciilifeform;like the microcontroller fella from last night 1045670;1425758871;mircea_popescu;different article, same source : 1045671;1425758872;mircea_popescu;"A leading tax expert says the Internal Revenue Service can, and likely will, let HealthCare.gov customers keep their Obamacare subsidies through the end of this year if the high court rules in June that those subsidies are illegal. 1045672;1425758872;mircea_popescu;And that six-month grace period in turn could ratchet up political pressure on Republican opponents of Obamacare to develop a plan to replace the valuable subsidies, which would be expiring right on the eve of the 2016 presidential primary season, instead of this summer." 1045673;1425758879;asciilifeform;into the valley of derp, rode the six hundred. 1045674;1425758889;mircea_popescu;pretty much everything on cnn seems to be on the topic of populism. 1045675;1425758913;mircea_popescu;"giving moneyz to ppls!!1" 1045676;1425758933;mircea_popescu;"About 7.5 million HealthCare.gov customers are at risk of losing those subsidies, which help them pay monthly premiums for health insurance plans purchased through that federally run marketplace that serves 37 states. Experts predict that more than 8 million people would become uninsured next year after finding their plans too expensive without the subsidies, and after plan prices rise to compensate for the loss of cu 1045677;1425758933;mircea_popescu;stomers." 1045678;1425758938;mircea_popescu;that shit worked so well omfg... 1045679;1425758955;asciilifeform;it's cement. 1045680;1425758988;asciilifeform;which is to say, making sure that the thing is not removable under any conceivable 'reform' 1045681;1425759020;mircea_popescu;"Accordingly, I respectfully ask Congress to raise the debt limit as soon as possible," Lew wrote in his letter. 1045682;1425759021;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1045683;1425759039;mircea_popescu;"accordingly, we're cutting down our expenditure" said no wh ever. 1045684;1425759236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5493 @ 0.00043104 = 2.3677 BTC [-] 1045685;1425759290;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, http://glitzybits.blogspot.com/2007/08/demi-moore-bares-all-for-oui-at-18.html 1045686;1425759292;assbot;Glitzy bits: Demi Moore bares all for OUI at 18. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPi7fS ) 1045687;1425759318;mircea_popescu;somehow, "pickup mastery" was a thing in 1980. 1045688;1425759388;mircea_popescu;TW: 80s nudity. 1045689;1425760334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3207 @ 0.00043104 = 1.3823 BTC [-] 1045690;1425761130;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, on the poetry translation angle, http://trilema.com/2011/sfinta-inocenta-puberala/ 1045691;1425761131;assbot;Sfinta inocenta puberala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GtSx38 ) 1045692;1425761159;mircea_popescu;it's the 1930 anthem of romania's fascist group, rewritten to quite outrageous ribaldry. 1045693;1425761371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8896 @ 0.00041871 = 3.7248 BTC [-] 1045694;1425761615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00040676 = 4.149 BTC [-] {4} 1045695;1425761812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato! 1045696;1425761822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your own creation ? 1045697;1425761825;mircea_popescu;yup. 1045698;1425761832;mircea_popescu;and then had the girls sing it! 1045699;1425761855;mircea_popescu;;;google sfinta inocenta legionara 1045700;1425761856;gribble;Cassian Maria SPIRIDON - Convorbiri Literare: ; Senzationalul unor amintiri de mare clasa - Observator Cultural: ; Sfintii Inchisorilor | Facebook: > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07113b.htm 1046058;1425841478;assbot;CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Hairshirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATrkyw ) 1046059;1425841502;punkman;I don't mind the CSS, but the javascript situation is ridiculous 1046060;1425841528;thestringpuller;hey asciilifeform i have a brilliant idea 1046061;1425841537;thestringpuller;how about we store private GPG keys in the javascript portion of the browser! 1046062;1425841542;thestringpuller;what could possibly go wrong?!? 1046063;1425841555;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: already baked... 1046064;1425841566;asciilifeform;what was it called 1046065;1425841570;asciilifeform;'keybase' ? 1046066;1425841579;punkman;there's a few of them 1046067;1425841583;thestringpuller;i thought keybase held your keys for you cause people are stupid 1046068;1425841589;asciilifeform;http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/83/St_Aspais_Melun_-_cilice.jpg >> hair shirt 1046069;1425841590;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATrBla ) 1046070;1425841605;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: at any rate, that particular flavour of idiocy has been around for a while 1046071;1425841606;punkman;btw remember Shrem signing with openpgpjs, didn't even validate 1046072;1425841626;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: but its almost comical nao tho. 1046073;1425841629;ben_vulpes;was it even shrem? 1046074;1425841634;thestringpuller;like this is stuff for a good stand up 1046075;1425841640;punkman;we'll never know 1046076;1425841712;punkman;thestringpuller: they more wanted to make a "better" keyserver, that linked to your twitter/github/whatever. 1046077;1425841729;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/t2sfuot.jpg 1046078;1425841747;ben_vulpes;punkman, thestringpuller: a "better keyserver"'d not be a bad thing to do. 1046079;1425841752;thestringpuller;punkman: keybase is forcing users to trust in central authority rather than forcing users to learn "their lessons" 1046080;1425841771;punkman;thestringpuller: no the encrypted key backup thing is optional 1046081;1425841784;punkman;but it's an option that shouldn't exist 1046082;1425841788;thestringpuller;exactly 1046083;1425841795;ben_vulpes;key backup as a service is downright braindamaged. 1046084;1425841810;thestringpuller;which causes more braindamages cause "consumer has come to expect" 1046085;1425841811;ben_vulpes;"please compromise and brute force this juicy target." 1046086;1425841813;asciilifeform;'wallet inspector' 1046087;1425841831;thestringpuller;should come up with list of scam phrases 1046088;1425841834;punkman;oh they got their own javascript pgp now https://keybase.io/kbpgp 1046089;1425841835;assbot;kbpgp - PGP in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATs9HQ ) 1046090;1425841851;punkman;I think they had openpgp.js before 1046091;1425841868;thestringpuller;saw node.js 1046092;1425841873;thestringpuller;closed the tab 1046093;1425841893;thestringpuller;why run GPG on node.js when you can just you know use GPG.... 1046094;1425841901;punkman;lol https://keybase.io/kbpgp/docs/in_the_wild 1046095;1425841903;assbot;kbpgp - PGP in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATskCV ) 1046096;1425841907;*;asciilifeform opened up the distribution zip, flipped randomly, and saw a page full of nist curves ! 1046097;1425841908;asciilifeform;lol! 1046098;1425841917;*;ben_vulpes halfway expects 'node' 'gpg' to shell out to platform bins 1046099;1425841927;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: https://pgpkeygen.com/ 1046100;1425841934;thestringpuller;before you open that link 1046101;1425841936;thestringpuller;if you have an anurism 1046102;1425841938;thestringpuller;it's not my fault 1046103;1425841948;asciilifeform;looks as if it were meant for homework 1046104;1425841952;asciilifeform;for maths students 1046105;1425841963;asciilifeform;that's the only use case i can really think of for this 1046106;1425841973;thestringpuller;"Yes, it is as safe as generating your keys using a local application. The key generation on our website is done client-side only. This means the key pairs are generated entirely in your web browser and they never leave your computer. Our website never sees any key related data or the key itself." 1046107;1425841988;thestringpuller;written by a TA XD 1046108;1425842008;asciilifeform;l0l, so it was serious ?! 1046109;1425842021;*;asciilifeform not surprised, and vaguely remembers this having been posted here before 1046110;1425842054;thestringpuller;10 years from now when phuctor starts detecting broken entropy systems 1046111;1425842072;thestringpuller;I will be interested in seeing what happens when you throw a key generator from here into the mix 1046112;1425842102;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i must confess that the most likely reason its bell has never rung is that i haven't the resources to actually process the 5 mil. or so donated pubkeys sitting here on local disk 1046113;1425842130;thestringpuller;and you don't want AWS in a zoo or with a gnu 1046114;1425842130;asciilifeform;at any rate, only a serious case of braindamage would sabotage a key generator in such a way that duplicate moduli are produced 1046115;1425842141;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it's on aws right now 1046116;1425842158;ben_vulpes;http://www.afralisp.net/index.php << decimation i think was looking for CAD scripting? 1046117;1425842159;assbot;Learn AutoLISP for AutoCAD productivity | AfraLISP ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATsV7F ) 1046118;1425842188;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2yaahb/til_bertrand_russel_said_in_the_modern_world_the/cp7ob2k << the irony kills me here 1046119;1425842219;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you're unfamiliar with it - autolisp is a 1970s style lisp (complete with unsolved 'funarg problem' !) similar to emacs elisp 1046120;1425842241;ben_vulpes;i am indeed unfamiliar with it. 1046121;1425842247;asciilifeform;the kind of lisp undergrads tend to implement 1046122;1425842261;asciilifeform;if ordered to 'write a lisp interpreter in three weeks' 1046123;1425842291;ben_vulpes;http://www.openscad.org << the cad program i mistook for freecad in a several months old thread. 1046124;1425842292;assbot;OpenSCAD - The Programmers Solid 3D CAD Modeller ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATtazF ) 1046125;1425842296;thestringpuller;only LISP use in my undergrad program is in the AI courses 1046126;1425842306;thestringpuller;i don't think the undergrads are smart enough to implement lisp 1046127;1425842313;punkman;http://punkmanufacturing.com/wiki/software << small directory of CAD software 1046128;1425842314;assbot;Software [Punk Manufacturing] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATtePF ) 1046129;1425842338;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: implementing a programming language of one kind or another is, afaik, still sop as homework 1046130;1425842344;asciilifeform;and lisps are generally the easiest 1046131;1425842358;ben_vulpes;lisps are so damn easy. 1046132;1425842426;thestringpuller;punkman: lol. how did autocad not make the list? 1046133;1425842459;ben_vulpes;cute, freecad has a REPL 1046134;1425842474;thestringpuller;all CAD should have REPL 1046135;1425842479;thestringpuller;all 3d software should have some kind of REPL 1046136;1425842555;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i think brainfuck was the only thing that fits that criteria during my undergrad at least 1046137;1425842572;thestringpuller;most of the undergrads coming in had never seen a programming language in their lives so... 1046138;1425842597;thestringpuller;"OMG I can make money programming compooters, i'd better jump on the CS bandwagon" 1046139;1425842614;ben_vulpes;i still think CS is the worst way to make money programmering. 1046140;1425842623;punkman;thestringpuller: everyone knows autocad, doesn't need to be in list 1046141;1425842708;thestringpuller;it's the first cad software I used so I guess it's kinda "mainstream" now 1046142;1425842729;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: how so? what in your opinion is the best way? 1046143;1425842771;ben_vulpes;avoid "baccalaureate" bezzle, hack js and css. 1046144;1425842785;ben_vulpes;that is, if you really lack the kind of mind that hungers for something beyond "money". 1046145;1425842807;thestringpuller;isn't that why people get CS degrees, or were getting? 1046146;1425842816;thestringpuller;now people drop out in 1st year and go to SF and work for start up after start up 1046147;1425842830;thestringpuller;hacking the js's and css's 1046148;1425842853;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: "OMG I can make money programming compooters, i'd better jump on the CS bandwagon" << you tell me 1046149;1425842925;BingoBoingo;Studying CS would be a fine path if only the studiers would accept being deprived of computers until their 30's 1046150;1425843083;decimation;http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/08/on-secretly-terrible-engineers/ < mostly rambling but has an interesting point "The difference between finance, management consulting, and engineering is that the first two fields have status hierarchy, and the third one doesn’t." 1046151;1425843084;assbot;On Secretly Terrible Engineers | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATuK4o ) 1046152;1425843153;punkman;decimation: plenty of hierarchy, just not very coherent when observed from distance 1046153;1425843199;decimation;punkman: yeah that's a good point. the outside visibility on a superficial level is somewhat obscure 1046154;1425843332;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo> Studying CS would be a fine path if only the studiers would accept being deprived of computers until their 30's < hehe my old man was writing code years before he first saw a computer. 1046155;1425843356;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#663732 1046156;1425843356;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2014 02:02:08; gribble: The Story of Mel - Catb.org: ; The Story of Mel: ; The Story of Mel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 1046157;1425843370;ben_vulpes;decimation: all i know is how to google shit. 1046158;1425843483;decimation;I suppose that part of the problem really is that humans need a few more generations to sort out how to have a 'status hierarchy' for programmers 1046159;1425843601;ben_vulpes;i don't know about that. generally working with any given individual for a few months is enough to suss out their competence. 1046160;1425843720;ben_vulpes;this also entails delegating projects of various scope in different domains to them and then carefully reviewing delivered code and user-facing features. 1046161;1425843746;ben_vulpes;but really it comes back to the wot. 1046162;1425843764;ben_vulpes;buenos dias 1046163;1425843809;mircea_popescu;hola zorro 1046164;1425843916;mircea_popescu;the daily wtf comes to us from eliza i. http://trilema.com/2014/the-womans-job/#comment-112565 1046165;1425843916;assbot;The woman's job. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvRvDK ) 1046166;1425843971;mircea_popescu;"You beast! You will pay hand over fist, you and the [Romanian political party]'s newspaper The Power that allows you to shit your dirty shit! This time you're fucked! See you in court garbage!" 1046167;1425843981;mircea_popescu;fancy that. 1046168;1425844004;mircea_popescu;ironically, those people like me about as much as us democrats like ron paul. 1046169;1425844200;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-mining-gains-in-difficulty-network-grows-stronger/ 1046170;1425844329;mircea_popescu;that was the receiving end. the providing end however, http://dpaste.com/1CPDMJY 1046171;1425844330;assbot;dpaste: 1CPDMJY ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvSaF2 ) 1046172;1425844374;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html < "Guest: And that--I do want to keep defending Buchanan. What Buchanan's worried about is a monolithic Leviathan. Because he thought, once you have a state, it will just eat all of the other choices. It will pull all of them inside, like a sort of great vortex. All of the choices will become public because that's the way that states work. That's the logic, is to expand. 1046173;1425844376;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvSgN2 ) 1046174;1425844376;decimation;Which is why he wanted private groups." 1046175;1425844379;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is jonathan buckwheat. 1046176;1425844450;mircea_popescu;heh if only. in fact, the state doesn't pull all choice into becoming public. that's an insanely optimistic view of the process. the state pulls public choice into meaninglessness, and then ruins all alternative. 1046177;1425844462;cazalla;pete_dushenski, not sure my comment went through but fyi, the bitcoin center ny is getting into incubating startups if you didn't know already :) 1046178;1425844608;pete_dushenski;cazalla not only did i not realise that, but your comment was definitely caught up on the spamhole so thx for the heads up ! 1046179;1425844624;cazalla;prolly because i included a link 1046180;1425844670;pete_dushenski;;;later tell Pierre_Rochard mais merci ! 1046181;1425844671;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1046182;1425844676;cazalla;your spambot clearly works if it labels pivoting to incubating startups as spam 1046183;1425844677;pete_dushenski;cazalla no doubt :) 1046184;1425844683;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1046185;1425844684;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.02, Best ask: 275.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 275.05, 24 hour volume: 17501.41698256, 24 hour low: 271.61, 24 hour high: 279.39, 24 hour vwap: None 1046186;1425844694;mircea_popescu;none ?! what teh shit. 1046187;1425844724;pete_dushenski;mebbe vwap measuring sv bitcoin start-ups 1046188;1425844731;pete_dushenski;measures* 1046189;1425844744;mircea_popescu;lol 1046190;1425844805;pete_dushenski;scoop-a-loop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/08/bitcoin-is-unfair-thats-the-point-and-so-it-shall-remain/ 1046191;1425844806;assbot;Bitcoin is unfair. That’s the point and so it shall remain. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvT4Bu ) 1046192;1425844841;mircea_popescu;i like that he's doing at least one a day. 1046193;1425844997;mircea_popescu;and to top it all off : http://38.media.tumblr.com/23c332feb8bc5b13e17d084ba8ca5df2/tumblr_mxr5mixX1T1t52lk3o2_250.gif 1046194;1425844999;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvTpnI ) 1046195;1425845003;mircea_popescu;this has been your morning installment of daily wtf. 1046196;1425845033;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1045381 << lol 1046197;1425845033;assbot;Logged on 07-03-2015 15:47:58; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ethyl ? 1046198;1425845088;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i'm guessing that's 'daddy' and not 'daniel' ;) 1046199;1425845133;mircea_popescu;such a perfect mirror for the peak of l'aile ou la cuisse 1046200;1425845180;pete_dushenski;when was this peak ? 1046201;1425845196;pete_dushenski;this is the movie you're referring to ? 1046202;1425845211;mircea_popescu;;;google "l'aile ou la cuisse" 1046203;1425845211;gribble;L'aile ou la cuisse (1976) - IMDb: ; The Wing or the Thigh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; A.O.C. L'aile ou la Cuisse | Home: 1046204;1425845214;mircea_popescu;^ 1046205;1425845248;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc2Ln2wYwi0 << check out that merc 600 ! 1046206;1425845249;assbot;l 'aile ou la cuisse - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvTLL9 ) 1046207;1425845267;mircea_popescu;mhm 1046208;1425845272;mircea_popescu;funes knew shit. 1046209;1425845272;pete_dushenski;as driven by idi amin, etc. 1046210;1425845291;pete_dushenski;looks like ! 1046211;1425845311;mircea_popescu;ima review it now. apparently i haven't. 1046212;1425845343;pete_dushenski;nice. 1046213;1425845351;pete_dushenski;i have cold hand luke on the schedule for today. 1046214;1425845379;pete_dushenski;looking forward to finding a story worth exploring therein 1046215;1425845877;decimation;pete_dushenski: did you see the top gear where they review the 'dictator class' mercs? 1046216;1425845916;pete_dushenski;ooo i want to say yes but can't recall exactly! 1046217;1425845926;pete_dushenski;newer mercs ? older ones ? 1046218;1425845962;pete_dushenski;http://www.bbcamerica.com/top-gear/guide/season-11/episode-5/ << this ? 1046219;1425845963;assbot;Episode 5 | Season 11 | Episode Guide | Top Gear | BBC America ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATAFGA ) 1046220;1425846057;decimation;heh there were a few I guess 1046221;1425846066;decimation;it was an older one, clarkson claimed he owned it 1046222;1425846101;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVDKztQ-n1U < clips of the Mercedes grosser 1046223;1425846103;assbot;Grosser vs. Corniche: Old Car Challenge Part 1 - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvUXOz ) 1046224;1425846232;pete_dushenski;ya, jeremy has/had one, often whined that new window switches were $5k or something 1046225;1425846280;pete_dushenski;pretty sure gaddafi had one as well. pol pot too 1046226;1425846281;decimation;hehe yeah, well it's pretty much a museum piece 1046227;1425846307;pete_dushenski;driveable art ! 1046228;1425846339;decimation;there's a somewhat similar market for 'restored' wwii aircraft 1046229;1425846347;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: my understanding is that folks who own machines like this, either become amateur machinists or cultivate a relationship with an actual machine shop 1046230;1425846369;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it's a surprisingly common 'old man hobby' where i live 1046231;1425846371;pete_dushenski;or... have one in-house 1046232;1425846399;pete_dushenski;well, old men have little else to occupy themselves with so they're always in search of projects 1046233;1425846402;asciilifeform;folks with 2,3,4+ classic cars under leather skins in their yard, in various states of repair 1046234;1425846416;asciilifeform;and a mazerati's worth of cnc gear in the cellar 1046235;1425846445;pete_dushenski;it's definitely ambitious in its own way 1046236;1425846461;decimation;asciilifeform: the thing that gets me, is that what percentage of the 'car' was actually original? 1046237;1425846470;decimation;at some point, are you just driving a replica? 1046238;1425846480;asciilifeform;decimation: usually all of the visible parts and as much of the engine as can be helped 1046239;1425846518;asciilifeform;(these folks are generally preoccupied with the authenticity of the engine, unlike, e.g., the famous cuban mechanics, because that's actually the part they imprinted on as children) 1046240;1425846532;pete_dushenski;original or hand-made, either or a combination of the two are desirable. 1046241;1425846561;pete_dushenski;and cubans could desire authenticity all they want and it still won't happen 1046242;1425846580;pete_dushenski;like french croissants or beluga caviar 1046243;1425846615;pete_dushenski;for usians, authentic parts are available, if expensive or just plain hard to find 1046244;1425846671;decimation;I recently toured a 'restoration' shop where they rebuild wrecks from wwii 1046245;1425846701;decimation;old men pay top dollar for these things, some of which were found as a wreck in the jungle. the end result has maybe 30% 'original' parts 1046246;1425846765;pete_dushenski;there are barn-find ferrari *shells* that go for millions 1046247;1425846927;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/05/classic-cars-france-farm-fetch-millions-ferrari 1046248;1425846929;assbot;Classic cars found in French farmhouse expected to fetch millions | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvWaoZ ) 1046249;1425846997;decimation;interestingly, for the aircraft they pound out the frame using hammer press machines 1046250;1425847051;decimation;I asked 'why don't you just use a cnc mill to shape the parts'. the answer: 1.) they apparently don't 'do' computers and 2.) the aircraft were all half-ass made to the blueprints anyway, often with 'by hand' adjustments 1046251;1425847162;pete_dushenski;and today boeing outsources its parts to asia and... gets fucked. 1046252;1425847195;pete_dushenski;there's much to be said for controlling your supply chain and having it in your backyard/garage/basement 1046253;1425847228;fluffypony;my supply chain is in my fridge 1046254;1425847240;decimation;pete_dushenski: it's hard for the 'capitalists' to refuse china's offer to 100% subsidize their manufacturing business 1046255;1425847267;ben_vulpes; I asked 'why don't you just use a cnc mill to shape the parts'. the answer: 1.) they apparently don't 'do' computers and 2.) the aircraft were all half-ass made to the blueprints anyway, often with 'by hand' adjustments << uh yeah that's how hand machining worked 1046256;1425847283;pete_dushenski;fluffypony lol which is stocked by your better half, i imagine ? 1046257;1425847294;fluffypony;exactly! 1046258;1425847330;pete_dushenski;that's a lot of trust there. 1046259;1425847333;decimation;ben_vulpes: yes, and granted many of these parts had complex curve shapes 1046260;1425847352;pete_dushenski;decimation except boeing is tbtf 1046261;1425847361;pete_dushenski;they're not capitalist in any sense of the term 1046262;1425847366;pete_dushenski;they're usg through and through 1046263;1425847377;pete_dushenski;so why not 'create jobs' ? 1046264;1425847382;decimation;pete_dushenski: yeah that's why I put the scare quotes :) 1046265;1425847396;decimation;boeing is in the business of being various state's bitch 1046266;1425847418;pete_dushenski;unless of course this is a case of, like mp's observation on the decline of the british empire, there being no good men left to do what has to be done 1046267;1425847435;pete_dushenski;no men of morals left in the states, work gets shipped abroad 1046268;1425847482;decimation;I think there might be some of that, but I also doubt that britian's 'good men' could get much done trapped in the crazy monkey house of a modern us bureaucracy 1046269;1425847548;pete_dushenski;sure, i'm not saying it's entirely the fault of the men in the context of their work, but it is their fault in the context of the systems of governance they support 1046270;1425847578;pete_dushenski;so americans support welfare and free shit, so no one bothers to get up for work. 1046271;1425847592;decimation;yes. for instance, the fact that the bond market in the us freaked out because a semi-good jobs report might imply that the fed might begin 'targeting' higher rates 1046272;1425847598;pete_dushenski;to the extent that they don't have to, that no one is holding a gun to their head and they aren't starving, why bother ? 1046273;1425847626;pete_dushenski;decimation there's no cause and effect there. 1046274;1425847636;pete_dushenski;jobs reports have fuck all to do with anything. 1046275;1425847651;pete_dushenski;heh the montly mpex reports matter more. 1046276;1425847663;decimation;of course not, but direct government interventions do 1046277;1425847667;mircea_popescu;scoopbot 1046278;1425847708;decimation;the amusing bit is that folks think they are trading in a 'free market', but then actually act like they are scared government lackeys 1046279;1425847753;pete_dushenski;scared of government lackeys how ? 1046280;1425847818;decimation;well, when you are trading on the wholly-owned 'usd-coin' platform, it's easy to be scared when usg decides to tinker with various model parameters mid-flight 1046281;1425847906;pete_dushenski;it seems to me that, at this point certainly, there's more general fear when there *isn't* tinkering 1046282;1425847911;pete_dushenski;daily, if possible. 1046283;1425848009;decimation;well, the other part of this issue is that the fed isn't tinkering alone, you also have the euros doing what they do 1046284;1425848054;decimation;the idea that anyone could 'consider the implications' of whatever decision they make in the matter of bank interest rates, money supply, etc is pretty lulzy 1046285;1425848084;pete_dushenski;"because history never happened and things are different now" 1046286;1425848088;pete_dushenski;right. 1046287;1425848093;decimation;pretty much yeah 1046288;1425848144;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/ 1046289;1425848145;assbot;L'aile ou la cuisse pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5vy6f ) 1046290;1425848171;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu jesus christ on a cross you're fast. like seriously. 1046291;1425848180;mircea_popescu;actually i took a break. 1046292;1425848210;pete_dushenski;you would ;) 1046293;1425848296;mircea_popescu;lol 1046294;1425848359;pete_dushenski;so -assettes, anyone have any restaurant recommendations for jamaica ? 1046295;1425848392;pete_dushenski;i enjoyed the ones you gents sent for oz :D 1046296;1425848461;pete_dushenski;feel free to pgp-gram or ;;later tell if you've been to the home of usain bolt and.... other fast runners. 1046297;1425848551;decimation;pete_dushenski: I presume you aren't going to one of those 'all-inclusive' resorts populated by the usian middle class? 1046298;1425848600;pete_dushenski;not until one of them makes food that isn't better used on livestock 1046299;1425848612;decimation;heh 1046300;1425848622;pete_dushenski;if i'm going to do that to myself, i'll hop on a cruise ship 1046301;1425848632;pete_dushenski;at least see a few different ports :) 1046302;1425848654;decimation;yeah I did that once, the scant few hours at port makes it difficult to see anything other than the usual tourist garbage 1046303;1425848704;decimation;and the food was mediocre in quality, but great in quantity 1046304;1425848708;mircea_popescu;what cow eats that stuff! 1046305;1425848709;pete_dushenski;mostly, yes, but it depends both on the size of the ship and where the ports are. 1046306;1425848725;pete_dushenski;usg'ers ! 1046307;1425848791;mircea_popescu; or cultivate a relationship with an actual machine shop << this is how itworked in the 80s too lol. a guy had to have relatiuons with mechanics. 1046308;1425848799;mircea_popescu;just like a woman had to have relations with beauticians. 1046309;1425848811;decimation;mircea_popescu: http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/news/press/ontape.htm " When she first recorded a deer eating nestlings, she wondered if they would eat eggs, too. She incorporated the help of a captive deer at the research center to find out. "We presented it [captive deer] with a few quail eggs -- just to see what it would do -- and it munched them right up." 1046310;1425848812;assbot;'Herbivores' busted preying on bird nests ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHAv04 ) 1046311;1425848831;decimation;apparently 'herbivores' are more than happy to eat little packages marked 'free protein' 1046312;1425848833;pete_dushenski;decimation sounds like a normal cruise experience ! some islands are built up exclusively for tourists, but in real cities, whether shanghai or split, you can at least walk for a few hours in one direction and still have room to explore 1046313;1425848914;decimation;pete_dushenski: yeah but 'real places' generally cost $$$, which is why cruises avoid them 1046314;1425848926;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu sorta the best way to not get anally gaped by mech/beautician. 1046315;1425848934;decimation;for instance, my cruise ship also had a port of call on "Hispaniola" 1046316;1425848937;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/ 1046317;1425848961;pete_dushenski;no relationship (dealership): $225/hr, relationship (small shop): $110/hr. 1046318;1425848971;mircea_popescu; the end result has maybe 30% 'original' parts << old men don't want the original parts of their wife, they just want a construct that looks like the wife did, in 72. 1046319;1425848990;pete_dushenski;decimation depends on your budget really. 1046320;1425849003;pete_dushenski;and timing. 1046321;1425849017;decimation;turns out, this is a private peninsula of hati, wholly owned by royal caribbean. since it would be far too dangerous for the locals to serve up the vittles, the entire crew disembarked to operate the various bars and amusements on the 'beach' 1046322;1425849034;pete_dushenski;i went on a cruise of se asia in 2002 when the post-9/11 deals made it... affordable. 1046323;1425849041;decimation;meanwhile the surrounding seas were littered with shipwrecks 1046324;1425849073;pete_dushenski;lol that's actually pretty funny. 1046325;1425849083;pete_dushenski;sounds like disneyland or somethign. 1046326;1425849087;pete_dushenski;something* 1046327;1425849120;decimation;http://www.cruisecheap.com/cruise-lines/royal-caribbean-labadee.html < the glossy sheets still sell it as 'hispaniola' 1046328;1425849122;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHBKN5 ) 1046329;1425849163;decimation;mircea_popescu: re: old parts < yeah, especially since this particular shop specialized in making 'flyable' aircraft 1046330;1425849165;mircea_popescu; my supply chain is in my fridge << you eat molds ? 1046331;1425849249;decimation;http://www.cruiselawnews.com/tags/labadee/ "The cruise line has been criticized for erecting a barb-wire fence around the resort to keep the Haitians out (photo right)," 1046332;1425849251;assbot; : labadee : Cruise Law News ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5zi7I ) 1046333;1425849289;mircea_popescu; I think there might be some of that, but I also doubt that britian's 'good men' could get much done trapped in the crazy monkey house of a modern us bureaucracy << no, but they wouldn't be, see ? that's the very definition. "good men" is, obama comes and derps, they point and laugh, obama calls the national guard, they shoot it dead. 1046334;1425849361;mircea_popescu; the amusing bit is that folks think they are trading in a 'free market', but then actually act like they are scared government lackeys << quite! 1046335;1425849429;mircea_popescu;dude pete_dushenski's cruizin' all over the world, buyin' cars and shit, but not conference ?! 1046336;1425849452;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1046337;1425849453;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.47, Best ask: 275.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 275.6, 24 hour volume: 15922.63362314, 24 hour low: 271.61, 24 hour high: 278.73, 24 hour vwap: None 1046338;1425849456;pete_dushenski;I SAID I HAVE A WEDDING THAT WEEKEND ! 1046339;1425849461;pete_dushenski;not mine, mind. 1046340;1425849464;mircea_popescu;NO!1 1046341;1425849474;mircea_popescu;whose then, your wife's ?! 1046342;1425849476;pete_dushenski;YES! 1046343;1425849485;mircea_popescu;i guess mike gets it at 275, there being no average o.O 1046344;1425849498;pete_dushenski;lol that was supposed to be for the NO... 1046345;1425849520;mircea_popescu;!b 7 1046346;1425849521;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3YC2RDT.txt ) 1046347;1425849529;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1950/275 1046348;1425849529;gribble;7.09090909091 1046349;1425849537;pete_dushenski;it's some good friends that're getting married. 1046350;1425849549;pete_dushenski;they'd have to be, amirite ?! 1046351;1425849571;mircea_popescu;ya lol 1046352;1425849629;pete_dushenski;the 4th is already mentally marked in the calendar 1046353;1425849651;pete_dushenski;so barring births, deaths, or more weddings... 1046354;1425849703;mircea_popescu;lol you're at the wrong age tho. prolly get 12-20 ppl marry a year. 1046355;1425849760;pete_dushenski;well, not much i can do about that, is there. 1046356;1425849776;pete_dushenski;other than totally hermitise myself. 1046357;1425849803;pete_dushenski;although jeez, after ditching facebook and a smartphone, i seem to be moving in that direction. 1046358;1425849820;mircea_popescu; and the food was mediocre in quality, but great in quantity << in the 90s it was the best thing for avg romanian chick, work the cruise ships. 1046359;1425849891;pete_dushenski;i've met one or two romanian dudes working on cruises, ex-gynmast or w/e cum 'fitness trainers' 1046360;1425849933;mircea_popescu;yup 1046361;1425849952;pete_dushenski;they slayed hard. 1046362;1425849959;decimation;mircea_popescu: the one I was on was crewed mostly by filipinos. I think the different cruise lines 'specialize' in different 'third world' recruitment 1046363;1425849996;mircea_popescu;i think so yea 1046364;1425850005;mircea_popescu;;;ud slay hard 1046365;1425850006;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slay | slay. to mercilessly fuck, bone and or screw a shady/skanky girl. 1) I would definately slay that chick! 2) I slayed the fuck out of that hoocker last night! 3) Slay that ... 1046366;1425850016;mircea_popescu;hm. 1046367;1425850029;decimation;at any rate, a shapely young lady could probably make decent money working the bar on a cruise ship 1046368;1425850038;mircea_popescu;or anything else. 1046369;1425850044;decimation;heh true 1046370;1425850048;mircea_popescu;from what i hear, buncha old derps. 1046371;1425850052;mircea_popescu;with money. 1046372;1425850056;pete_dushenski;i sweat the young attractive men do better on those ships 1046373;1425850063;pete_dushenski;swear* 1046374;1425850069;mircea_popescu;outright prostitution is contentious, but then again this was pre viagra. couldn't get it up anyway. 1046375;1425850084;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski of course. women 3x, and they CAN get it up. 1046376;1425850117;pete_dushenski;older husbands have long since lost interest, spend the day at port on the golf course. 1046377;1425850164;pete_dushenski;young romanian fitness trainer or whatever is the perfect match. 1046378;1425850179;decimation;pretty much the same model as the 'luxor centre for internet businessmen' 1046379;1425850252;mircea_popescu;well no. romanians don't wanna marry, arabs don't wanna fuck. 1046380;1425850367;mircea_popescu;"I’d honestly thought that such derpage was dead and buried" 1046381;1425850370;mircea_popescu;ahahaha WHAT! 1046382;1425850392;pete_dushenski;what, i live a sheltered existence. 1046383;1425850401;pete_dushenski;no reddit, little twitter. 1046384;1425850412;mircea_popescu;dude... it'll be 2050, wot long in firm control, random nobody at the fringe of the world will STILL be starting webwallets / writing bitcoin hate pieces. 1046385;1425850421;pete_dushenski;no one i talk to irl would dare be so derpy to my face. 1046386;1425850424;pete_dushenski;so... 1046387;1425850431;mircea_popescu;and it will still all be stolfi level. and they will STILL not know how fucking old the stolfi bs is. 1046388;1425850483;pete_dushenski;eh, let me add my quarterly nail to the coffin wouldja ? 1046389;1425850486;mircea_popescu;anyway, the fact that it's changing from "o bitcoin will never succeed" to "o we missed the boat so unfair" is quite pleasant. 1046390;1425850507;pete_dushenski;myea i'm enjoying the same. 1046391;1425850521;pete_dushenski;this piece marked that transition to my eye. 1046392;1425850619;mircea_popescu;is Nick Spanos the figurehead for the kenna scammer or am i confused ? 1046393;1425850632;pete_dushenski;i wanna say they're unrelated 1046394;1425850645;pete_dushenski;spanos is, afaik, an isolated entity. 1046395;1425850686;pete_dushenski;he's known merely as "mr. i know everything there is to know about bitcoin" henceforth and forever more. 1046396;1425850703;mircea_popescu;no, my bad. http://trilema.com/2013/children-and-their-delusions-today-jared-kenna-and-ryan-singer/ 1046397;1425850704;assbot;Children and their delusions. Today, Jared Kenna and Ryan Singer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHH1UQ ) 1046398;1425850708;mircea_popescu;it's ryan singer. 1046399;1425850721;pete_dushenski;huh never heard of singer. 1046400;1425850737;mircea_popescu;derps ran off with the tradehill customer funds, bought some office space. 1046401;1425850755;mircea_popescu;“I feel like a martyr—a Bitcoin martyr,” he told me. “We’re bleeding out.” 1046402;1425850756;mircea_popescu;lolk. 1046403;1425850757;pete_dushenski;ah the "btc fell on the ground" guys, right ? 1046404;1425850784;pete_dushenski;at least that's what i associate with tradehill 1046405;1425850790;mircea_popescu;where's that neobee schmuck 1046406;1425850800;mircea_popescu;not the danny guy, the other one, the greek who was behind it all. 1046407;1425850810;pete_dushenski;the one you killed ! 1046408;1425850820;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski they claimed circle defrauded them, threatened to sue. never sued, disappeared. 1046409;1425850850;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski no no. there was this pic at some conference. the fall guy (denny idiot), the sucker (some local professor) and the actual scammer 1046410;1425850867;mircea_popescu;a phtisic looking jailbird. 1046411;1425850928;pete_dushenski;hm dunno 1046412;1425850974;pete_dushenski;"Ex-marine Jered Kenna has to be one of the most perseverant entrepreneurs in bitcoin. After his exchange TradeHill fell apart not once but twice, he also lost bitcoin.com – the flagship domain for the digital currency." << perseverant and retarded. 1046413;1425850994;pete_dushenski;like the seagull that keeps flying into the window of the skyscraper 1046414;1425851010;mircea_popescu;it was never his. 1046415;1425851048;pete_dushenski;wasn't it that argentinian guy's and he sold the domain to gox ? 1046416;1425851057;pete_dushenski;or was that bitcoinS.com 1046417;1425851066;mircea_popescu;dude impressive, that guy managed to get the pic supressed ? 1046418;1425851118;ben_vulpes;hey does anyone have a link to a multisignature transaction in the main chain? 1046419;1425851202;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-12-2013#407076 ahh sweet two years ago. 1046420;1425851202;assbot;Logged on 05-12-2013 03:49:11; snackman: LOOOOL https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129544.msg1480792#msg1480792 1046421;1425851476;pete_dushenski;just found the business card for the bitcoins.com guy, rodolfo andragnes. he claimed to have sold the domain to mt gox in 2011 for $100k, half cash, half btc. 1046422;1425851509;pete_dushenski;now, he's "founding member of fundacion bitcoin argentina" 1046423;1425851531;pete_dushenski;he might've given away a few too many coins... 1046424;1425851837;mircea_popescu;lol looking for it i stumbled on http://trilema.com/2013/like-a-baws/ 1046425;1425851838;assbot;Like a baws pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHKRxg ) 1046426;1425851844;mircea_popescu;anyway, i have the pic archived. 1046427;1425851956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00033737 = 2.3279 BTC [-] 1046428;1425852014;jurov;http://www.coindesk.com/why-bitcoin-regulation-lags-where-its-needed-most/ so they want *african* governments to start regulating bitcoin nao??? 1046429;1425852015;assbot;Why Bitcoin Regulation Lags Where it's Needed Most ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiBZtb ) 1046430;1425852024;*;jurov stares incredulously 1046431;1425852063;pete_dushenski;equal outcomes for all ! 1046432;1425852075;pete_dushenski;because reasons. 1046433;1425852098;pete_dushenski;http://media.coindesk.com/2015/03/bitpesa.jpg << tho these doods look epically stoked. 1046434;1425852098;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiC93M ) 1046435;1425852107;jurov;well... and papua tribes should start regulating it, too 1046436;1425852150;jurov;that's remarkable pic 1046437;1425852338;mircea_popescu;jurov they're not racist, they just don't like that kinda people. 1046438;1425852354;mircea_popescu;when niggers do it, it's suddenly obvious how unsufferable it is. 1046439;1425852560;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/sPNsgpt.jpg << there we go. 1046440;1425852561;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiDlUU ) 1046441;1425852577;mircea_popescu;grigorios papageorgios. 1046442;1425852679;mircea_popescu;https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/neo-bee-andreas-antonopoulos-tuur-demeester-share-views/ << and the fall guy operation lol. 1046443;1425852680;assbot;Neo & Bee: Andreas Antonopoulos and Tuur Demeester share their views - CryptoCoinsNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiDAzf ) 1046444;1425852749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53950 @ 0.00032612 = 17.5942 BTC [-] {2} 1046445;1425853497;pete_dushenski;;;bc,stats 1046446;1425853501;gribble;Current Blocks: 346774 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 1993 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 5 hours, 26 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52773794424.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.27243 1046447;1425853627;pete_dushenski;;;nethash 1046448;1425853628;gribble;343957129.799 1046449;1425853708;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046316 1046450;1425853708;assbot;Logged on 08-03-2015 21:08:57; scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/ 1046451;1425853734;Pierre_Rochard;On the subject of french movies, mircea_popescu & pete_dushenski have you seen jean reno’s les visisteurs? 1046452;1425853758;pete_dushenski;have not.. 1046453;1425853841;mircea_popescu;me either. 1046454;1425853844;mircea_popescu;!up gabrielradio_ 1046455;1425853916;pete_dushenski;so... #bitcoinwomensday is a thing. 1046456;1425853948;pete_dushenski;because if we want things that don't make sense, they'll happen. 1046457;1425853985;mircea_popescu;how is it "a thing" 1046458;1425854027;pete_dushenski;to the extent that twitter trends are "a thing" 1046459;1425854046;pete_dushenski;ya, not a thing as much as a ripple in the ocean, as it were 1046460;1425854076;Pierre_Rochard;I highly recommend it, I don’t doubt you’ll find the bourgeoisie vs aristocracy commentary amusing, and christian clavier is hysterical 1046461;1425854110;mircea_popescu;added. 1046462;1425854123;pete_dushenski;same here ! 1046463;1425856431;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.93804235 BTC. Current weight: 68,475. 1046464;1425856832;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 91.8305122 BTC. Current weight: 66,736. 1046465;1425858537;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.38456474 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.52156676 BTC. Current weight: 23,703. 1046466;1425859150;asciilifeform;other than totally hermitise myself << ahahaha, works for me 1046467;1425859183;asciilifeform;a guy had to have relatiuons with mechanics << i do (and my whole family). fella's from argentina, incidentally. 1046468;1425859211;asciilifeform;cruise ships << i am still at an utter loss what the appeal of cruise ship is 1046469;1425859265;PeterL;mircea_popescu:pete_dushenski they claimed circle defrauded them, threatened to sue. never sued, disappeared. << was Dwolla, I don't think Circle was a thing yet then, but same idea 1046470;1425859295;asciilifeform;changing from "o bitcoin will never succeed" to "o we missed the boat so unfair" << there was plenty of the latter even a year or two ago 1046471;1425859366;PeterL;there was some "it was so unfair for the first adopters" when bitcoin hit 32 back in '11 1046472;1425860377;asciilifeform;http://staff.salisbury.edu/~rafantini/grid_1550_and_1530.htm << for archaeologists/aficionados. BingoBoingo? 1046473;1425860378;assbot;Grid 1550 and 1530 ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4kKdb ) 1046474;1425860639;asciilifeform;^ much interesting historical curio on the site 1046475;1425860838;punkman;wtf is bubble memory 1046476;1425860860;asciilifeform;punkman: obsolete but - long ago - extremely hyped solid-state storage device 1046477;1425860876;asciilifeform;worth reading about, interesting from engineering perspective 1046478;1425860921;punkman;fun "a thin film of a magnetic material to hold small magnetized areas, known as bubbles or domains, each storing one bit of data." 1046479;1425861289;asciilifeform;they pound out the frame using hammer press machines... I asked 'why don't you just use a cnc mill to shape the parts' << try to picture what the cost of -milling- a smooth object the size of a wing might be. 1046480;1425861517;asciilifeform;(summary for n00bs: milling, in general, is ruinously expensive, and anything with considerable quantities of milled parts - even small ones - reflects this. e.g., high-quality small arms, racing engines, etc.) 1046481;1425861749;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah that was kinda the answer I was expecting to get 1046482;1425861760;decimation;but the 'docent' guy wasn't terribly familiar with the issues I gather 1046483;1425861804;decimation;a skilled machinist's time isn't cheap either though 1046484;1425862944;decimation;asciilifeform: re: cruise ship < well, there's a reason they say it's for the 'newlywed and nearly dead' 1046485;1425863119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00032904 = 16.8962 BTC [-] {2} 1046486;1425863485;ben_vulpes;what is the correct data representation for the amount of bitcoin in a transactino? 1046487;1425863490;ben_vulpes;transaction* 1046488;1425863581;ben_vulpes;double? 1046489;1425863973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00032964 = 6.2467 BTC [+] {2} 1046490;1425864304;mod6;int64 1046491;1425864307;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl right you are. 1046492;1425864307;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1046493;1425864356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was plenty of the latter even a year or two ago << yeah, but "preponderence of derpitude" standard. 1046494;1425864440;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes INTEGER noob 1046495;1425864497;mircea_popescu;in other news, romanian classroom : http://33.media.tumblr.com/9063eb4bfa1651c5642d441a38052f26/tumblr_n0oow5Osap1rvs8tno1_400.gif 1046496;1425864499;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9yYpq ) 1046497;1425864673;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/BTatL71.jpg << this is good 1046498;1425864703;mircea_popescu;lol 1046499;1425864877;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: I wish I had gone to school in Romania. 1046500;1425864895;mircea_popescu;wish instead that your wiminz weren't retarded. 1046501;1425864902;mircea_popescu;i guess voice vs exit works here too huh. 1046502;1425865011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00032537 = 10.7372 BTC [-] {2} 1046503;1425865264;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046237 << http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/theseus.html 1046504;1425865264;assbot;Logged on 08-03-2015 20:27:50; decimation: at some point, are you just driving a replica? 1046505;1425865265;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9A6cK ) 1046506;1425865277;[]bot;Bet created: "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ 1046507;1425865851;cazalla;https://twitter.com/thereaxxion/status/574745846748704768/photo/1 lulz 1046508;1425865852;assbot;Feels like something is missing from this picture... http://t.co/qi4D8QXfYr 1046509;1425865949;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,992. 1046510;1425866268;decimation;danielpbarron: aye, one cannot step into the same waters twice, even if one pays dearly to try 1046511;1425867221;[]bot;Bet placed: 7 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,976. 1046512;1425867364;decimation;lulz > http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/us/in-ferguson-some-who-are-part-of-problem-are-asked-to-be-part-of-solution.html < "The emails uncovered by the Justice Department included a cartoon portraying President Obama as a chimpanzee and a joke about giving a black woman a crime-prevention award for having an abortion.They were circulated widely, Justice Department officials said, and no discipline has been announced for those who 1046513;1425867367;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXrkmE ) 1046514;1425867367;decimation;received the emails and said nothing." 1046515;1425867511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00032979 = 1.8798 BTC [+] 1046516;1425867551;punkman;s 1046517;1425867552;thestringpuller;that paywall 1046518;1425868381;decimation;thestringpuller: sorry, apparently I haven't used up my allotment yet :( 1046519;1425868420;mircea_popescu; Feels like something is missing from this picture <<< someone giving a shit ? 1046520;1425868428;mircea_popescu;museum of abandoned booths 1046521;1425868494;mircea_popescu;"no discipline has been announced for those who received the emails and said nothing." <<< lol wait, wut ? da usg stoolie programme ? 1046522;1425868505;decimation;mircea_popescu: hehe yeah 1046523;1425868519;decimation;maybe one day you too will receive a random ass email and 'say nothing' 1046524;1425868522;mircea_popescu;used to be a time when that'd have been the absolute last thing one'd consider doing. 1046525;1425868562;mircea_popescu;that also happened to be during the brief interval when the us was worth more than something stuck on someone's boot. 1046526;1425870195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21364 @ 0.00033408 = 7.1373 BTC [+] {2} 1046527;1425870561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00032588 = 7.6908 BTC [-] {3} 1046528;1425870988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14036 @ 0.00033498 = 4.7018 BTC [+] {2} 1046529;1425871606;decimation;asciilifeform: re: chromium > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Chrome-OS-Freon-Graphics < the other shoe dropped 1046530;1425871607;assbot;Chrome OS Switches To "Freon" Graphics Stack To Replace X11 - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1C14NHk ) 1046531;1425871622;ben_vulpes;jesus fuck x11 as well!? 1046532;1425871622;decimation;apparently google wants to get rid of x11 totally and replace it with their own graphics layer 1046533;1425871631;ben_vulpes;but my .Xresources 1046534;1425871634;ben_vulpes;i just learned how it works 1046535;1425871636;ben_vulpes;sort of 1046536;1425871638;decimation;that's probably why they threw a shitfit over the kernel api 1046537;1425872147;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.0055 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.1055 BTC. Current weight: 99,916. 1046538;1425872208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00033712 = 10.6193 BTC [+] {2} 1046539;1425872212;asciilifeform;decimation: l0l!!! 1046540;1425872222;asciilifeform;decimation: 'chrome' writing straight to kernelspace 1046541;1425872240;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah that's pretty much it 1046542;1425872250;decimation;don't need yer stinking middleware 1046543;1425872257;decimation;I wonder if they have an issue with the MIT license 1046544;1425872262;asciilifeform;plus, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034779 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034780 1046545;1425872262;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 21:09:34; asciilifeform: PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp 1046546;1425872262;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 21:09:47; asciilifeform: in favour of either nothing or winblows-style whole-display 'remote desktop' bullshit 1046547;1425872292;asciilifeform;expect this turdalicious horror to spread to the rest of 'linux world' 1046548;1425872306;decimation;indeed. it's like 'pulseaudio' for your graphics card 1046549;1425872349;decimation;I don't blame the folks at google for trying to improve specific hardware products 1046550;1425872365;decimation;I fault all those in the future (outside google) who are going to mindlessly adopt 1046551;1425872566;ben_vulpes;what, though, should i be doing instead? 1046552;1425872614;decimation;ben_vulpes: what's wrong with X11? 1046553;1425873000;ben_vulpes;instead of doing whatever's imposed upon me by the world, i mean. 1046554;1425873009;ben_vulpes;i won't do it mindlessly, and i won't go quietly into that dark night. 1046555;1425873018;ben_vulpes;but i'm pretty sure with the state of modern consumer'pute' 1046556;1425873027;ben_vulpes;i don't have much choice in the long run. 1046557;1425873184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 88 @ 0.03410001 = 3.0008 BTC [-] {4} 1046558;1425873193;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there is always choice. 1046559;1425874465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95171 @ 0.00032109 = 30.5585 BTC [-] {4} 1046560;1425875416;*;asciilifeform looking for l33t w4r3z, encounters not quite related: 'He cums inside Ada's mouth - Ada vacuums.avi' 1046561;1425875563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29004 @ 0.000327 = 9.4843 BTC [+] 1046562;1425875751;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1046563;1425877067;Vexual;hey 1046564;1425877454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26409 @ 0.00032218 = 8.5085 BTC [-] {2} 1046565;1425877515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6791 @ 0.00031739 = 2.1554 BTC [-] {2} 1046566;1425877519;Vexual;bah int64, round that shit down vuples 1046567;1425877587;thestringpuller;!up Vexual 1046568;1425877915;Vexual;angelina jolie has 10 kids from zero births when ya round down, and a mere photograph of one is worth 50k 1046569;1425877943;ben_vulpes;now that's mining 1046570;1425877967;Vexual;thats 1337 1046571;1425878326;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8JrQ9w5jY 1046572;1425878511;Vexual;what ever happened to tat? 1046573;1425878552;Vexual;is he a bank teller? 1046574;1425878604;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iXcEdIZQYI or did he shift? 1046575;1425878705;Vexual;me prolly headbutting chandilliers someplace 1046576;1425878711;Vexual;*meh 1046577;1425879201;cazalla;Vexual, he left for whale club 1046578;1425879235;Vexual;i prefer seals, but gone 1046579;1425879381;Vexual;well freeroll is anyway 1046580;1425879589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.000327 = 1.962 BTC [+] 1046581;1425879937;thestringpuller;!up Vexual 1046582;1425879993;Vexual;that romanian schoolgirl looks familiar, has she straightened her hair? 1046583;1425880126;Vexual;no, just typical 1046584;1425880251;thestringpuller;;;google dib big head 1046585;1425880251;gribble;Dib - Invader ZIM Wiki: ; Why Is His Head So BIg? - YouTube: ; WHY IS HIS HIS HEEAD SOO BIG - YouTube: 1046586;1425880278;cazalla;i dunno, buterin's head is worse than that 1046587;1425880354;[]bot;Bet placed: 8.1919 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.2974 BTC. Current weight: 99,815. 1046588;1425880519;Vexual;see holdems just bitbet, but the comments are weighted 1046589;1425880626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51047 @ 0.00032379 = 16.5285 BTC [-] {2} 1046590;1425880910;Vexual;https://vimeo.com/84655707 1046591;1425881250;ben_vulpes;nice find, Vexual 1046592;1425881639;Vexual;whats that? 1046593;1425881652;Vexual;pup fiction? 1046594;1425881785;Vexual;i reckon willie nelson might have an edge in a poker game 1046595;1425882334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29979 @ 0.00031242 = 9.366 BTC [-] 1046596;1425882761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 286 @ 0.03384995 = 9.6811 BTC [-] {11} 1046597;1425883310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00031242 = 3.5147 BTC [-] 1046598;1425884103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29802 @ 0.000312 = 9.2982 BTC [-] {2} 1046599;1425885076;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual 1046600;1425885125;Vexual;how scandinavian of you 1046601;1425885201;Vexual;it's a pity it's gonna take google to put the steering wheel in the middle 1046602;1425885592;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFldGN3bXBU 1046603;1425885628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00032469 = 2.6625 BTC [+] 1046604;1425885871;ben_vulpes;really, Vexual? 1046605;1425885873;ben_vulpes;pina coladas? 1046606;1425885945;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9muzyOd4Lh8 1046607;1425885953;Vexual;its rhum with nothing 1046608;1425885982;Vexual;and thats the gateway 1046609;1425886142;Vexual;to india 1046610;1425886179;Vexual;excellent estimators all 1046611;1425886276;Vexual;youll need a bit of hindi tho, coz variety 1046612;1425886422;Vexual;still money talks 1046613;1425886425;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R99Ia4PpXIc 1046614;1425886436;Vexual;ad says da fox 1046615;1425886526;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.12989999 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 18.4273 BTC. Current weight: 99,738. 1046616;1425886827;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjdg_D5YQY 1046617;1425886913;ben_vulpes;oh dizee is still around? 1046618;1425890020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47450 @ 0.00031162 = 14.7864 BTC [-] {2} 1046619;1425890874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 65 @ 0.0331 = 2.1515 BTC [-] 1046620;1425891208;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.234567 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.761867 BTC. Current weight: 99,681. 1046621;1425891850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00031637 = 7.8934 BTC [+] 1046622;1425892338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 58 @ 0.11 = 6.38 BTC [+] 1046623;1425893066;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/so-i-found-the-libertard-motherlode/ 1046624;1425893524;cazalla;http://pando.com/2015/03/01/internet-privacy-funded-by-spooks-a-brief-history-of-the-bbg/ interesting read, probably not news to better read people here though 1046625;1425893526;assbot;Internet privacy, funded by spooks: A brief history of the BBG | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1AV1sT8 ) 1046626;1425893558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00031715 = 6.4064 BTC [+] 1046627;1425893863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13587 @ 0.0003238 = 4.3995 BTC [+] 1046628;1425894168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.0332 = 3.32 BTC [+] 1046629;1425894290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00031774 = 6.1006 BTC [-] {4} 1046630;1425894718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12362 @ 0.00032469 = 4.0138 BTC [+] 1046631;1425895116;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 33(Y):67(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.761867 BTC. Current weight: 99,633. 1046632;1425896121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6524 @ 0.00031415 = 2.0495 BTC [-] 1046633;1425896418;punkman;!t m s.mpoe 1046634;1425896418;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00031075 / 0.0003265 / 0.0003585 (895317 shares, 292.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00031075 / 0.00038154 / 0.0004493 (13500577 shares, 5,151.08 BTC), 30D: 0.00031075 / 0.00040351 / 0.00048515 (70295400 shares, 28,364.98 BTC) 1046635;1425897401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 85 @ 0.0331 = 2.8135 BTC [-] 1046636;1425899170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00031524 = 6.3521 BTC [+] {2} 1046637;1425899231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8059 @ 0.00032469 = 2.6167 BTC [+] 1046638;1425899386;danielpbarron;height=264323 vs height=203586 (usb3: height=235343) 1046639;1425903196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92250 @ 0.00032605 = 30.0781 BTC [+] {5} 1046640;1425904477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39290 @ 0.00031771 = 12.4828 BTC [-] 1046641;1425905148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28658 @ 0.00032912 = 9.4319 BTC [+] {2} 1046642;1425906368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33798 @ 0.00033053 = 11.1713 BTC [+] 1046643;1425906609;[]bot;Bet placed: 5.3450337 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 30.1069007 BTC. Current weight: 99,491. 1046644;1425906612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 242 @ 0.02716246 = 6.5733 BTC [-] {8} 1046645;1425907344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00033087 = 13.1025 BTC [+] {4} 1046646;1425907600;jurov;hmm, bitbet is revving up 1046647;1425907771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00032743 = 10.5924 BTC [-] {2} 1046648;1425908137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28603 @ 0.00031956 = 9.1404 BTC [-] {3} 1046649;1425908565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00032181 = 3.7008 BTC [+] {2} 1046650;1425909525;jurov;https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10954324_1614417682120822_4133398099030190010_n.jpg?oh=d9336ccf5b016ddaae978a8f68d0ae65&oe=557FF5BE&__gda__=1434224110_b0b11290689a6ee66b398aada73e3dd2 1046651;1425909527;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxOBOQ ) 1046652;1425910028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00031512 = 14.3695 BTC [-] 1046653;1425910516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8626 @ 0.00031436 = 2.7117 BTC [-] {2} 1046654;1425910638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 65 @ 0.02075383 = 1.349 BTC [+] {4} 1046655;1425910760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9747 @ 0.00031171 = 3.0382 BTC [-] 1046656;1425912495;thestringpuller;https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/573953967509630976 < l0l 1046657;1425913200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00031075 = 3.0764 BTC [-] 1046658;1425913627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13220 @ 0.00031171 = 4.1208 BTC [+] 1046659;1425916311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125000 @ 0.00031031 = 38.7888 BTC [-] {4} 1046660;1425916384;danielpbarron;I interacted with Jillian C. York in January 2012 about how twitter was filtering tweets about Jesus from the "top tweet" search (saw her name in that article about USG funded "internet privacy") >> https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/statuses/155721935785959424 1046661;1425916386;assbot;Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "@jilliancyork If they blocked it people would notice right away and cry foul. Tweets about Jesus are disqualified from "top tweets."" ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLA7xT ) 1046662;1425916437;danielpbarron;strangly enough, twitter doesn't like to show our conversation in one page for some reason, you have to click each tweet separately to see the context 1046663;1425916477;danielpbarron;she admitted that I was right, but decided that it was either a bug, or an attempt to keep from "offending" christians 1046664;1425916505;nubbins`;o.O 1046665;1425916520;nubbins`;maybe it's an attempt to keep from offending non-christians 1046666;1425917150;danielpbarron;right, that was my suspicion 1046667;1425917362;nubbins`;speaking from my perspective as a canadian, the usa has a very strange relationship with religion 1046668;1425917422;nubbins`;(phun phact, no roman catholic may ascend to the canadian throne!) 1046669;1425917708;thestringpuller;less canadian terristas 1046670;1425917715;thestringpuller;lots of merican terristas 1046671;1425918571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27640 @ 0.00032357 = 8.9435 BTC [+] {2} 1046672;1425920155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00032764 = 7.7651 BTC [+] 1046673;1425921097;danielpbarron;very strange; seems as though bitcoind is causing my server to power-cycle all of a sudden 1046674;1425921287;dignork;http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/exploiting-dram-rowhammer-bug-to-gain.html 1046675;1425921289;assbot;Project Zero: Exploiting the DRAM rowhammer bug to gain kernel privileges ... ( http://bit.ly/1BpfrUH ) 1046676;1425921862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104200 @ 0.00033188 = 34.5819 BTC [+] {6} 1046677;1425921862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 96 @ 0.013333 = 1.28 BTC [-] {2} 1046678;1425921923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3827 @ 0.00033562 = 1.2844 BTC [+] 1046679;1425922037;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1046680;1425922054;ascii_field;rowhammer article << didn't we do that here a while ago? 1046681;1425922064;ascii_field;but linked piece contains actual proof-of-concept code. 1046682;1425922099;ascii_field;as usual, the virtues of avoiding 'modern' consumer-grade (i.e. non-ECC memory, in this case) products is on display here 1046683;1425922106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12610 @ 0.00032718 = 4.1257 BTC [-] 1046684;1425922129;ascii_field;summary for the impatient - arbitrary bit-flips induced from ring3 code on x86 1046685;1425922153;ascii_field;because ddr3 ram is noise-sensitive garbage 1046686;1425922201;mike_c;international money remittance without fincen. how is done? with a mobile app and a local 'cash dealer'. 1046687;1425922203;mike_c;https://www.goabra.com/ 1046688;1425922204;assbot;Abra ... ( http://bit.ly/1C2kbmP ) 1046689;1425922221;mike_c;it's bitcoin, but not, but it uses it, but sort of. 1046690;1425922229;ascii_field;mike_c: usually with 'hawala', works since 900 ad or so 1046691;1425922239;mike_c;they mention that 1046692;1425922254;mike_c;although they said "since 8th century" 1046693;1425922282;ascii_field;thing is, actual hawala isn't a roundedcorners iPnohe turd app 1046694;1425922287;ascii_field;but based on human WoTs 1046695;1425922293;ascii_field;unlike the linked usg honeypot. 1046696;1425922315;mike_c;i don't think that is usg honeypot. just misguided VC chumpatron. 1046697;1425922332;ascii_field;cannot and must not recognize a difference between these. 1046698;1425922343;mike_c;one is malicious, one is just stupid. 1046699;1425922353;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2015#1014374 1046700;1425922353;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 03:25:08; mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog" 1046701;1425922432;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-12-2014#958033 1046702;1425922432;assbot;Logged on 21-12-2014 02:50:50; asciilifeform: the best place to hide a little malice is a gigantic pile of incompetence. 1046703;1425922447;mike_c;heh. i can't argue with that. 1046704;1425922492;ascii_field;and, to round it off, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2014#514280 1046705;1425922492;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2014 19:12:31; mircea_popescu: because it is impossible to establish malice at all, a difference predicated upon establishing malice is meaningless. 1046706;1425922494;mike_c;to be clear, i was not recommending that thing. just came across it today and thought I'd share the lulz. 1046707;1425922540;mike_c;and how the hell did you know what a hawala was? i first saw that word today. 1046708;1425922587;ascii_field;mike_c: hawala is as famous as anything gets, i thought 1046709;1425922607;mike_c;americans are dumb. 1046710;1425922625;ascii_field;even paraded by usg muppets in the state-controlled media as 't3rr0r1s7 f1n4nc3!!!111!!1111' 1046711;1425922656;ascii_field;(any financial network the buggers don't control, of course, falls under this) 1046712;1425922674;mike_c;well i guess that's what i am learning about today. 1046713;1425922693;ascii_field;(for readers of my site: iirc i referred to bitcoin as 'mechanized hawala' in my first article on the subject) 1046714;1425922899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00031592 = 12.8895 BTC [-] {3} 1046715;1425922936;thestringpuller;mike_c: who doesn't know what a hawala is? 1046716;1425922963;mike_c;now that I do, it appears nobody. I was the last one who didn't know. 1046717;1425923228;danielpbarron;!up laurita 1046718;1425923335;danielpbarron;!up HlySht 1046719;1425923435;dignork;ascii_field: yep, there was a discussion on bitflip, but this one is too real, I wonder when active Xen exploit will drive DDR out of cloud business. 1046720;1425923490;ascii_field;dignork: what normally happens in a case like this is - that the hole is sewn shut, but not completely shut - rather like 'infibulated' gurl partz in the middle east 1046721;1425923517;ascii_field;it'll be narrowed so that usg has the only effective exploitatron for it, yes. 1046722;1425923533;ascii_field;see the bios cas/ras timings being silently adjusted by vendors, mentioned in article 1046723;1425923560;HlySht;Can anyone tell me who irdial/beautyon is? and why his opinion is held in high regard in the btc community? 1046724;1425923596;danielpbarron;is it really held in high regard? 1046725;1425923606;ascii_field;news to me 1046726;1425923643;dignork;He is very active on twitter, sometimes fun to read. 1046727;1425923665;danielpbarron;he's very spammy 1046728;1425923674;HlySht;so he's just a regular bloke then 1046729;1425923707;dignork;danielpbarron: well, libertarians do not have any other way of influence I suspect. 1046730;1425923954;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1046731;1425924119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00030773 = 10.3859 BTC [-] {2} 1046732;1425924351;nubbins`;http://www.silkscreeningsupplies.com/product/BBCBF2-2200SD 1046733;1425924353;assbot;BBC 18x18 HW Flash Dryer, 120V, 2243W ... ( http://bit.ly/1AWWdC9 ) 1046734;1425924367;nubbins`;^ add a servo motor and foot pedal for $800 1046735;1425924526;thestringpuller;nubbins`: all you need now is indonesian children to work your factory 1046736;1425924549;nubbins`;you mean filipino and they don't use flashes 1046737;1425924679;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBojYrC8QuM 1046738;1425924681;assbot;t shirt printing philippines - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AWXCsz ) 1046739;1425924953;thestringpuller;definitely didn't see any children mr. nubbins` 1046740;1425924963;nubbins`;arms too weak 1046741;1425925242;ascii_field;lol re: new apple hardware released today being -slower- than previous 1046742;1425925278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00032325 = 3.6527 BTC [+] {2} 1046743;1425925548;dignork;mike_c: hawala comes up a lot in discussions about remittance business. 1046744;1425925574;mike_c;yeah, I read up a bit. I like it. 1046745;1425925796;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1046746;1425925813;danielpbarron;!up HlySht 1046747;1425926996;ben_vulpes;!up The20YearIRCloud 1046748;1425927012;The20YearIRCloud;Howdy 1046749;1425927765;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1046750;1425927846;The20YearIRCloud;Need anything ben_vulpes ? 1046751;1425928061;ben_vulpes;product vision and a six-month commitment at 20K/mo. 1046752;1425928068;The20YearIRCloud;ha 1046753;1425928079;ben_vulpes;i'll handle the rest. 1046754;1425928104;thestringpuller;240k a year? 1046755;1425928106;thestringpuller;for what? 1046756;1425928206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46232 @ 0.00030669 = 14.1789 BTC [-] {2} 1046757;1425928206;ben_vulpes;2-3 people on your project, no context switching penalties for mobile/backend/html, no technical management burden. 1046758;1425928265;thestringpuller;is there a "trial version" 1046759;1425928267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13857 @ 0.00030344 = 4.2048 BTC [-] 1046760;1425928276;thestringpuller;less tha 6/mo :P 1046761;1425928288;thestringpuller;1 mo commitment to see if you are legit 1046762;1425928329;thestringpuller;i have an amazing product vision tho 1046763;1425928329;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1046764;1425928389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48234 @ 0.00031038 = 14.9709 BTC [+] {2} 1046765;1425928587;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: 240k... 2-3 people << chinese slaves ? 1046766;1425928635;The20YearIRCloud;what product is this? 1046767;1425928765;danielpbarron;!up shesek 1046768;1425928835;BingoBoingo;lol https://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/sh/669bdfd2-7fc5-4f8f-b33d-d09bf782f6ac/e5629dadd3c51594 1046769;1425928837;assbot;user.riseup.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZucj2 ) 1046770;1425928842;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch 1046771;1425928855;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/tor-developers-set-funding-goal/ 1046772;1425928938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00030472 = 2.5901 BTC [-] {2} 1046773;1425929506;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: 'riseup' << mega-l0l! 1046774;1425929531;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: My impression of it has always been as a sort of zoo. 1046775;1425929558;*;ascii_field doesn't recall ever hearing of it before 1046776;1425929663;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1046777;1425929680;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: It's a fairly old service targeted towards activists explicitly. 1046778;1425929729;ascii_field;the 'identity politics' idiocy is a kgb bomb set off in usa in the 1960s - at this point, a historical fact at least as well-established as the 'business plot' of the '30s 1046779;1425929751;ascii_field;the participants, if told this, only make monkey noises. guaranteed. 1046780;1425929928;BingoBoingo;amazing how it continues firing longer than any color revolution 1046781;1425929928;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1046782;1425930014;ascii_field;because it's the ultimate d3m0cr4cy1111!!111! dope - reliable conveyor for enthroning mediocrities who then owe everything to the state 1046783;1425930075;ascii_field;the designers of the weapon understood precisely which screw to turn in usa to make the 'engine governor' fall off and speed up the inevitable degringolade 1046784;1425930160;ascii_field;i'd say 'ask them' but quite likely they're all buried at this point. 1046785;1425930170;ascii_field;obligatory sov. joke: 1046786;1425930239;ascii_field;wife says to drunken husband, 'every night you drink, drink, you never bring money home, you worthless piece of shit, go visit the cemetary - see how many gravestones say 'died of vodka.'..' 1046787;1425930244;ascii_field;husband goes off, actually goes to count. 1046788;1425930250;ascii_field;comes back, says, 1046789;1425930297;ascii_field;'i counted, read the cards on the wreaths. said things like, 'from wife', 'from son', 'from mother-in-law' - but none said 'from vodka.' nobody died from vodka.' 1046790;1425930379;BingoBoingo;lol 1046791;1425930495;jurov;ben_vulpes what about VAN then? it had no product vision? 1046792;1425930823;thestringpuller;ascii_field: how's the field today good sir? 1046793;1425930834;thestringpuller;I"m also po'ed duolingo doesn't teach russian 1046794;1425930878;ascii_field;thestringpuller: snorematic 1046795;1425931639;cazalla;omg fuck this guy http://i.imgur.com/SmDox6p.png those goggles.. 1046796;1425931640;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk39yh ) 1046797;1425931693;danielpbarron;oh nice! I don't have that block yet.. http://danielpbarron.com/blocked.txt 1046798;1425931694;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk3lgU ) 1046799;1425931816;cazalla;danielpbarron, lol ethereum blocked you? buterin is yet to block me even though i cuss him out 100 worse than i did gavin 1046800;1425931842;mike_c;isn't there a shadowban? ignore or something? 1046801;1425931876;danielpbarron;mute is a somewhat new feature to twitter 1046802;1425931878;cazalla;mike_c, not sure, i've never blocked/ignored anyone tbh 1046803;1425931952;danielpbarron;if i'm not mistaken, "block" causes all future replies to not attach in the continuity of the conversation, whereas mute just makes them invisible to the muter 1046804;1425932046;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes: 240k... 2-3 people << chinese slaves ? << nobody ever said how many hours. 1046805;1425932135;ben_vulpes;jurov: fine on the vision, budget was simply my spare time. 1046806;1425932168;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: what's the braindamage in this "mill" processor? 1046807;1425932171;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field 1046808;1425932181;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: mill processor ? 1046809;1425932195;ascii_field;did i miss something 1046810;1425932196;ben_vulpes;http://millcomputing.com/docs/ 1046811;1425932197;assbot;docs / videos / slides | Mill Computing, Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk4sxd ) 1046812;1425932217;ben_vulpes;trips all sorts of bezzletronic alerts for me, but i lack the context to make judgements. 1046813;1425932230;ascii_field;damn it it ought to be in the logs 1046814;1425932232;ascii_field;but can't find 1046815;1425932283;ben_vulpes;i actually don't recall a thread. 1046816;1425932293;ben_vulpes;and searches return nada. 1046817;1425932425;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: basically, a rebranding of academiwank 'systolic processor' 1046818;1425932435;ascii_field;they've no hardware, of course. 1046819;1425932522;ascii_field;marketing materials promise elaborate, 'smart' cpu crud (branch prediction even more complicated than on extant x86, code that executes even less deterministically, etc.) 1046820;1425932529;ascii_field;surprised that usg hasn't funded them yet. 1046821;1425932574;ascii_field;i went through their material ages ago, and it set off quite a few of the 'scammer heuristics' in my head 1046822;1425932608;ascii_field;most of all the fact of claiming credit (implicitly) for decades of the work of other, genuinely original folks. 1046823;1425932618;ascii_field;plus the 'gimme money' aspect. 1046824;1425932637;nubbins`;http://time.com/3026192/this-is-what-bae-means/ 1046825;1425932639;assbot;This Is What 'Bae' Means ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk5zgb ) 1046826;1425932641;nubbins`;TIME DOT COM 1046827;1425932871;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: see also, relevant, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1043600 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046036 1046828;1425932871;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 00:38:12; mircea_popescu: be it google or apple, it can fucking rot. everything will have to be reimplemented. 1046829;1425932871;assbot;Logged on 08-03-2015 18:43:30; asciilifeform: perhaps this is worth a brief digression: 1046830;1425932883;ascii_field;i'd argue that these folks -simply don't get to- design cpu any more. 1046831;1425932920;ascii_field;everything they do is 'guilty until proven innocent', which is to say, until independently arrived at by WoT folks. 1046832;1425932959;ascii_field;'you were a usg academic? hope you like picking fruit.' 1046833;1425932964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40050 @ 0.00030556 = 12.2377 BTC [+] {3} 1046834;1425934124;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 113 @ 0.01589381 = 1.796 BTC [+] {3} 1046835;1425934138;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1046836;1425934733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15151 @ 0.00030242 = 4.582 BTC [-] 1046837;1425935060;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046532 << i can see why, x is fucking retarded. 1046838;1425935060;assbot;Logged on 09-03-2015 03:27:02; decimation: apparently google wants to get rid of x11 totally and replace it with their own graphics layer 1046839;1425935132;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: there is not a non-retarded alternative today 1046840;1425935137;ascii_field;or anything remotely close 1046841;1425935140;mircea_popescu;sure. 1046842;1425935153;mircea_popescu;but really, steal keyboard stream because "Whatever, it's also under x" ? 1046843;1425935162;ascii_field;mm no. 1046844;1425935167;ascii_field;doesn't happen on my box. 1046845;1425935174;ascii_field;trivial fix 1046846;1425935182;mircea_popescu;trivial FIX ? 1046847;1425935186;mircea_popescu;fuck this shit. 1046848;1425935187;ascii_field;aha 1046849;1425935202;ascii_field;let's rephrase: it's a wm misbehaviour 1046850;1425935203;ascii_field;not x11's 1046851;1425935212;mircea_popescu;"my house doesn't have a hole in the roof - trivial fix" "whatever, i'm not dealing with those imbeciles". 1046852;1425935213;mircea_popescu;hm. 1046853;1425935221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00030242 = 2.5857 BTC [-] 1046854;1425935225;ascii_field;'ratpoison', 'polite mode' 1046855;1425935282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00030242 = 6.2299 BTC [-] 1046856;1425935282;mircea_popescu;how is it not x's ? (not sure if 11 specifically0 1046857;1425935325;ascii_field;because x per se doesn't impose the retardation 1046858;1425935337;mircea_popescu;but it allows it. 1046859;1425935351;ascii_field;it also allows user to shoot himself in the head 1046860;1425935364;ascii_field;or give his btc to sc4mz0rz 1046861;1425935370;ascii_field;or marry a scold 1046862;1425935375;mircea_popescu;x has no fucking business telling another process on its dealings with a process. 1046863;1425935405;mircea_popescu;and the fact that this very fundamental principle is not precisely observed makes me not care whether x or chrome wins. they're the same shit. 1046864;1425935445;ascii_field;if they're both x-using, and both connected to same x server, then yes 1046865;1425935466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22339 @ 0.00031268 = 6.985 BTC [+] 1046866;1425935468;ascii_field;and yes, it's crufty '80s turd 1046867;1425935474;mircea_popescu;how about, no. 1046868;1425935517;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/1e898bee9635052cc3d969664951f562/tumblr_mj2ankuq7X1qktnjdo1_400.gif << x at her hiring interview. 1046869;1425935518;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBsTpo ) 1046870;1425935518;*;ascii_field agrees. so long as the answer isn't 'here have a little rectangle of rdesktop crapolade instead of screen-filling display-agnostic remote gui on your giant vertical lcd' 1046871;1425935656;mircea_popescu;x should work like fucking pinentry. 1046872;1425935688;mircea_popescu;but hey, why confront and resolve the hard problems ? inheritance systems for the user input, explicitly set bvy the user etc ? o noes, gotta be simple 1046873;1425935700;mircea_popescu;well, that's what chrome does too : simple rather than correct and easy rather than useful. 1046874;1425936036;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046656 << lol, the new Tough Derp look is oddly adequate. 1046875;1425936036;assbot;Logged on 09-03-2015 14:48:15; thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/573953967509630976 < l0l 1046876;1425936045;mircea_popescu;knocked out retired boxers should look like knocked out retired boxers. 1046877;1425936165;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046696 << is it actually vc stuff or just aspie stuff ? (from aspirational rather than asperger's, tho...) 1046878;1425936165;assbot;Logged on 09-03-2015 17:31:55; mike_c: i don't think that is usg honeypot. just misguided VC chumpatron. 1046879;1425936278;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046709 << behold the wonder! 1046880;1425936278;assbot;Logged on 09-03-2015 17:36:47; mike_c: americans are dumb. 1046881;1425936283;mircea_popescu;!s hawala 1046882;1425936284;assbot;23 results for 'hawala' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hawala 1046883;1425936290;mircea_popescu;!s hawalah 1046884;1425936291;assbot;0 results for 'hawalah' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hawalah 1046885;1425936314;mircea_popescu;!s hundi 1046886;1425936314;assbot;0 results for 'hundi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hundi 1046887;1425936602;dignork;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/24/comodo_ssl_privdog/ 1046888;1425936604;assbot;SSL-busting adware: US cyber-plod open fire on Comodo's PrivDog • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBxCay ) 1046889;1425936648;dignork;Not as lame as superfish, but still fun. 1046890;1425936685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76986 @ 0.00030114 = 23.1836 BTC [-] {4} 1046891;1425936746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19485 @ 0.00029917 = 5.8293 BTC [-] 1046892;1425936929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139387 @ 0.0003135 = 43.6978 BTC [+] {4} 1046893;1425937111;mike_c;mircea_popescu: inbetween aspirational and funded. i heard about them because they got "best of" at reasonably big tech conference. my curiousity is mostly around the brazen attempt to do money remittance in US without being licensed. 1046894;1425937123;mike_c;s/inbetween/between/ 1046895;1425937143;thestringpuller;mike_c: hawala doesn't require money license 1046896;1425937152;mike_c;mhm. tell the US that. 1046897;1425937164;thestringpuller;well this is why US hated hawala during "war on terror" beginnings 1046898;1425937172;thestringpuller;there was a lot of "hawala is bad" propaganda 1046899;1425937234;thestringpuller;(the US claimed 9/11 was funded with the ultiization of hawala) 1046900;1425937266;thestringpuller;s/with/through/g 1046901;1425937628;ben_vulpes;i will find whoever decided to return 200 from this endpoint and encode the error in xml 1046902;1425937642;ben_vulpes;by the holy dogfucking jesus i will find them 1046903;1425938498;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve 1046904;1425938510;HeySteve;hello 1046905;1425938817;BingoBoingo;hey 1046906;1425939116;mircea_popescu;mike_c see, the way i've observed this to work is like this : 1) usg makes imbecile law ; 2) society is aghast ; 3) teenaged muppets make bold claim that jives with societal expectation, blatantly in contradiction with usg policy. 1046907;1425939143;mircea_popescu;then 4a) if society bites the bait, they "change their mind" "learn better" "unfortunately..." "they were just kids" etc, the circle / dwolla /etc playbook 1046908;1425939163;mircea_popescu;or else 4b) if society doesn't bite the bait, they "street cred" because were going to 4evar totally do it. 1046909;1425939192;mircea_popescu;seems a decent gameplan. if you're a stanford/harvard business major, or similar scum. 1046910;1425939660;mike_c;i'd love to be a fly on the wall in the pitch meetings though when the investor says "so how are you not going to jail?" 1046911;1425939709;mike_c;because in the game you described, the VCs are getting taken for a ride. which happens of course, but this just seems so obviously illegal. 1046912;1425940212;cazalla;today is typically the busiest day for news but it is dead 1046913;1425940663;cazalla;Pierre_Rochard, pull the pin on twitter eh? 1046914;1425940702;Pierre_Rochard;cazalla: 1046915;1425940703;Pierre_Rochard;yup 1046916;1425940720;Pierre_Rochard;and every other social media thingy I had in my password manager 1046917;1425940794;Pierre_Rochard;have to manually contact customer support at linkedin to get that removed… the lengths they’ll go to keep the serfs on the domaine 1046918;1425941036;cazalla;well, i will miss your art retweets 1046919;1425941055;thestringpuller;i blame bitpay 1046920;1425941059;thestringpuller;jkjk 1046921;1425941077;thestringpuller;Pierre_Rochard: my dad raves about LinkedIn. 1046922;1425941116;thestringpuller;when in reality I get tons of spam from it 1046923;1425941131;Pierre_Rochard;cazalla: ya know, when I started seeing the same art pieces from history of europe’s feed popping up, I knew it was the end 1046924;1425941222;Pierre_Rochard;thestringpuller: it’s the bezzle-wot. Great because of the wot part, spammy and diminished by the bezzle part 1046925;1425941233;thestringpuller;super spammy 1046926;1425941254;thestringpuller;"Hey thestringpuller, would you like to hear about this wonderful development opportunity with a fast growing company you've never heard of?!?!?" 1046927;1425941264;thestringpuller;i get like at least 4-7 of those a month 1046928;1425941384;Pierre_Rochard;^ humble bragger! 1046929;1425941748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00032601 = 4.3033 BTC [+] 1046930;1425941831;thestringpuller;it's spam tho! from the sketchiest of recruiters. 1046931;1425942114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36279 @ 0.00032512 = 11.795 BTC [-] 1046932;1425942175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5977 @ 0.00032512 = 1.9432 BTC [-] 1046933;1425942553;danielpbarron;!up saifedean 1046934;1425942718;mircea_popescu;mike_c in all probability the last pitch meeting where the investors asked something sensible was cca 2002. 1046935;1425942744;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/digital-hawala-for-the-poor/ 1046936;1425942815;mircea_popescu;anyway, "society" is broad. the vc game is just to flip the ponzi to larger fools. they succeed 55% of the time or so. 1046937;1425942830;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the pension funds end up hodling anyway, and the fed rescues them, and here we are. 1046938;1425942845;saifedean;my working theory is that any "entrepreneur" who engages in any form of 'event' about start-ups or entrepreneurship is not an entrepreneur, and has nothing interesting to offer the world. if they did have something interesting, they wouldn't have time for wankery 1046939;1425942871;thestringpuller;;;later tell pete_dushenski you're referenced in latest qntra article 1046940;1425942871;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1046941;1425942910;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: that sounds like a great video game premise for learning purposes. "Flip the ponzi" 1046942;1425942963;mircea_popescu;saifedean this is the prevailing view by now imo 1046943;1425943087;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the "questions asked" : in a total nod to asciilifeform's "merit washing" ideas, by now the point isn't even to have any sort of product, as it hasn't been for decades, noreven any sort of plan. they "invest" in "great teams", nao. "kids will figure it out later". 1046944;1425943094;saifedean;there is such a giant start-up culture in lebanon these days thanks to Central Bank bezzle, everyone and their dog wants to make a start-up... nobody wants to actually do something, just pontificate on start-ups and entrepreneurship 1046945;1425943147;saifedean;the central bank here is probably the world's best, the currency has the highest gold cover of any currency in the world, they banned the banks from investing in any securities and compeltely avoided the 2008 meltdown... 1046946;1425943149;saifedean;but... 1046947;1425943157;mircea_popescu;what will the kids figure out later ? oh, that - to go no further than latest trilema - jared son of charles got 40mn "investment" from x and y while charles was in jale because campaign donations and other issues related to x and y. 1046948;1425943160;mircea_popescu;"entrepreneur". 1046949;1425943212;mircea_popescu;saifedean lebanon sounds more and more like romania - 10 years. 1046950;1425943238;saifedean;the socialistards have been pressing for start-up funding and environmental projects, and the CB has obliged with some low-interest loans and funding conferences and start-ups and publicity... what could possibly go wrong 1046951;1425943273;mircea_popescu;in lebanon ? nothing really, srsly nao. buncha town dwelling wasters get ot be all excited for a summer. 1046952;1425943299;mircea_popescu;this exact thing was a problem, written down as such, exact words, in 1914. and since forever : central government attracts town loafers, who then derp about. 1046953;1425943337;saifedean;oh no, there's a lot of ruin to be made in this place, and the socialist scum have been trying in vain for decades... 1046954;1425943352;mircea_popescu;like what ? 1046955;1425943366;mircea_popescu;!up HlySht 1046956;1425943376;mircea_popescu;!gettrust beautyon 1046957;1425943376;assbot;beautyon is not registered in WoT. 1046958;1425943381;saifedean;this is really one of the last civilized places in the world, because it's got the hardest currency in the world... you can see lack of socialist decivilization in everything here... 1046959;1425943406;mircea_popescu;tell me specifics ? 1046960;1425943434;saifedean;before civil war in 1975, currency was 91% backed by gold, almost a gold standard 1046961;1425943463;mircea_popescu;how can it be 91% backed ? 1046962;1425943464;saifedean;the entire civil war drama was basically communist-funded trash trying to destroy the central bank and currency 1046963;1425943473;mircea_popescu;!s rhodesia 1046964;1425943474;assbot;33 results for 'rhodesia' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rhodesia 1046965;1425943491;saifedean;the value of the gold in the central bank's reserves at market price was equal to 91% of the value of all the currency 1046966;1425943494;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, "A screenshot of the Abra app" << should this not be hosted on qntra? 1046967;1425943513;mircea_popescu;saifedean o.O 1046968;1425943518;mircea_popescu;that's pretty heavy. 1046969;1425943527;mircea_popescu;is this factual or declaratory ? 1046970;1425943554;saifedean;the fact that this place has almost-hard money makes a real difference: there is no bezzle here, there has never been a stock market crash, housing crash, or any kind of business cycle 1046971;1425943580;saifedean;people don't really have shitty bezzle careers, they have actual productive jobs making useful things... like furniture and food 1046972;1425943660;mircea_popescu;state of the art spamatron, for the curious : http://dpaste.com/1FPT1XY 1046973;1425943661;assbot;dpaste: 1FPT1XY ... ( http://bit.ly/18woNDU ) 1046974;1425943677;mircea_popescu;saifedean impressive. 1046975;1425943688;mircea_popescu;lebanon, eh ? who knew. 1046976;1425943701;saifedean;it was 91% before the war, then the socialist scum managed to fuck shit up in the war, and destroyed the currency in 1983, it went from 3 Liras/USD to around 2,000Lira/USD 1046977;1425943743;saifedean;but then when the rubble settled down, the central bank set the currency at 1500 Lira/USD in 1992 and it has not budged since 1046978;1425943784;saifedean;the reason is that they still have sizeable gold reserves, unlike the rest of the world's troglodyte central bankers chasing returns and playing etrade accounts with their reserves 1046979;1425943815;mircea_popescu;so if i want to rent a flat in beirut, what'd it run me ? 1046980;1425943856;ben_vulpes;lebanon?! 1046981;1425943861;saifedean;for something really nice... $2000-$4000 1046982;1425943878;saifedean;and by nice, i mean nicer than pretty much anything you've seen 1046983;1425943902;saifedean;views on the mediterranean and the snow-covered mountains... 24 hour delivery services to get you anything you could possibly imagine 1046984;1425943931;saifedean;very safe and secure, friendly and outgoing happy people 1046985;1425943948;mircea_popescu;yeah, but they have to compete with ohio's 150 a month or w/e it was. 1046986;1425943955;saifedean;and some of the world's best food, women, and wine... 1046987;1425944032;mircea_popescu;yeah except if syria falls over it'll flatten it. 1046988;1425944045;saifedean;im not even lebanese, i went to university here, then lived in london and new york... the move from beirut to these anglo shit-holes was a culture shock, there is no comparison... as soon as i finished my phd and got an offer from a lebanese university, i didnt hesitate move back 1046989;1425944082;saifedean;yeah, the fear of the country falling over is what keeps it so wonderfully beautiful, as it keeps out all the unwanted visitors :D 1046990;1425944104;mircea_popescu;lol 1046991;1425944107;saifedean;it'd be swimming with british stag dos and russian billionaires otherwise 1046992;1425944114;punkman;maybe good time to invest in sailboat 1046993;1425944117;mircea_popescu;no but seriously, there's what, half a million muslims refugeed there now ? 1046994;1425944123;mircea_popescu;suppose that goes to 2mn, or 5. 1046995;1425944152;mircea_popescu;o look, most recent political assasination fifteen months ago. 1046996;1425944179;saifedean;this place went through 15 years of civil war though, everyone has had their fill, and nobody wants a repeat, and people are far, far, more careful than in other places... people hjave just learned to ignore all the drama and live their life... all the "violence" and "insecurity" after all, does not amount to half of a chicago 1046997;1425944207;mircea_popescu;!up HFSPLUS 1046998;1425944219;HFSPLUS;whats up everyone 1046999;1425944223;mircea_popescu;you. 1047000;1425944254;saifedean;there's tons of refugees from syria, but they mostly come here and work, there's no welfare state to speak of so immigration is not really a problem 1047001;1425944265;mircea_popescu;saifedean from where i sit the only sane reason to go to lebanon would be the same as 1k years ago : to start a crusade. 1047002;1425944271;mircea_popescu;as im not terribly in the mood... 1047003;1425944294;HFSPLUS;!s 1047004;1425944294;assbot;Need a search term. 1047005;1425944294;mircea_popescu;saifedean yes, but they support "ideas", and then soon enough vote, and riot. 1047006;1425944295;asciilifeform;meowmix is back! 1047007;1425944301;HFSPLUS;!s meowmix 1047008;1425944302;assbot;25 results for 'meowmix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meowmix 1047009;1425944304;HFSPLUS;what did i do? 1047010;1425944305;asciilifeform;ferphuckssake 1047011;1425944317;saifedean;i've traveled the world and never seen a place better, the more i travel the more i fall in love with this place... 1047012;1425944327;saifedean;hard money, dude! 1047013;1425944337;mircea_popescu;saifedean sounds a lot like very early romanian. what do they speak even, misr ? 1047014;1425944339;HFSPLUS; ;;seen meowmix 1047015;1425944345;HFSPLUS;;;seen meowmix 1047016;1425944345;gribble;meowmix was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: !b 50 1047017;1425944346;asciilifeform;saifedean: 2-4k/mo is washington price. 1047018;1425944373;punkman;saifedean: hard money, dude! << but pegged to the dollar? 1047019;1425944377;asciilifeform;!up saifedean 1047020;1425944381;saifedean;washington is a fucking shit-hole, i wouldn't live in it if you paid me 20k a week instead of rent, there's no city worse on the planet 1047021;1425944393;mircea_popescu;punkman actually exports are funnay 20% gold 5% jewelry 5% diamonds. total jew country. 1047022;1425944398;mircea_popescu;sounds like israel's new jersey 1047023;1425944426;mircea_popescu;saifedean bucharest's easily worse. 1047024;1425944432;saifedean;pegged to the dollar, but since the dollar is always falling, and the CB's gold reserves aren't, this makes the CB very comfortable 1047025;1425944443;mircea_popescu;imagine all the stupid of wash dc done louder by stupider people. also in a swamp. 1047026;1425944467;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'stupider' exists !?! outside of africa, even ? 1047027;1425944471;mircea_popescu;saifedean what of this 150% gdp in foreign debt ? 1047028;1425944476;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh yes. 1047029;1425944487;saifedean;but DC is the major league of stupid... the stupidest and scummiest of beirut and bucharest and everywhere else go to play in the majors in DC 1047030;1425944517;mircea_popescu;and 10bn in remittances. lebanon is absolutely romania cca 1995. 1047031;1425944523;HFSPLUS;who is meowmix 1047032;1425944532;HFSPLUS;how can i get rich off of bitcoin 1047033;1425944539;asciilifeform;!down HFSPLUS 1047034;1425944543;asciilifeform;him. 1047035;1425944548;saifedean;yeah, the debt is enormous, and the CB keeps the government on a tight leash with it... banks are all well-capitalized and keep rolling over the debt for the government... but the government can never go crazy and do 5-year-plans or giant infrastructure projects or whatever 1047036;1425944585;asciilifeform; noooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaa * HFSPLUS has quit (Quit: Leaving) << mega-l0l 1047037;1425944596;*;asciilifeform asks, can we get a better class of 'elizas' here plz. 1047038;1425944630;mircea_popescu;we will once you're done playing with these ones. 1047039;1425944633;saifedean;i lived in DC for a summer and interacted with the residents... my theory is that DC has collected every single shitty asshole/teacher-pet/snitch/scummy loser from every single high school in the world to go live there... no matter where you were in the world, if you were a terrible piece of shit in high school, you found a way to get to DC by age 30 1047040;1425944656;mircea_popescu;saifedean california worked that way previously. 1047041;1425944667;mircea_popescu;but then they started cutting up the hitchhikers 1047042;1425944687;saifedean;the lawyers are the best people in DC, and that says a lot 1047043;1425944693;asciilifeform;saifedean: i actually went to a special school where they manufactured these! 1047044;1425944702;mircea_popescu;lol 1047045;1425944721;mircea_popescu;saifedean incidentally, being a snitch is a legal obligaiton for usians now. 1047046;1425944742;asciilifeform;it was 50y ago too, theoretically 1047047;1425944754;asciilifeform;like in any other totalitarian pisshole 1047048;1425944762;asciilifeform;'failure to report crime, crime' 1047049;1425944774;mircea_popescu;i dunno... the "i'm not a snitch" thing floats to the point of "what is an american' in my head. 1047050;1425944787;asciilifeform;distinct from the official letter of the law 1047051;1425944839;saifedean;i don't really understand how anyone could want to live in the US in this day and age... anybody who chooses to go live there is essentially an other-determined dweeb who cannot think for themselves and just follows what the tv tells them 1047052;1425944858;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046741 << such lolz. EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!!1 1047053;1425944858;assbot;Logged on 09-03-2015 18:20:42; ascii_field: lol re: new apple hardware released today being -slower- than previous 1047054;1425944890;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was an actual 'news'. today they advertised various machinery, with slower clock than a year ago. 1047055;1425944899;asciilifeform;no one, so far (afaik) has said anything. 1047056;1425944904;mircea_popescu;saifedean people generally have an inborn, deeply selected ability to only hear parts. so, through this approach "we pay you 10k in salary on the condition you spend no less than 11k a month" sounds like a good deal. 1047057;1425944909;mircea_popescu;"hey, that's 5x what i make here!" 1047058;1425944927;asciilifeform;^ california, sv, etc. in one paragraph. 1047059;1425944933;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and unlike the nkvd, they didn't even have to twist anyone's arm to keep quiet. 1047060;1425944956;saifedean;"and hey! When I exercise my god-given right to diabetes... Obamacare will be there for me" 1047061;1425944981;asciilifeform;i saw the figure and went 'wtf, what is this, some weirdo VLIW cpu with perversely spiffy pipelining?!' then rememberd 'nope, this is a garden-variety 'pentium m' box...' 1047062;1425944999;mircea_popescu;i wonder if diabethes and gout will become punishable offenses in the us the way all sorts of "psychological" imagined stuff is. 1047063;1425945007;mircea_popescu;they WERE in soviet russia after all, kulak's diseases. 1047064;1425945054;asciilifeform;saifedean: except that it's a transparent scam, i, for instance, have the highest grade 'insurance' publicly sold in my locale, and it still offers nothing like the conditions found in civilized world 1047065;1425945065;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so is this sheer incompetence, or is china ever so delicately strangling them ? "first, you get them made for free. then, you get them made for ten dolla, but you have to give us the blueprints. then, we only make them for you out of 2nd best items. and then... wait, you're still here ?!" 1047066;1425945090;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not afaik. looks more like 'shrinkflation' 1047067;1425945104;asciilifeform;like the canned soups that are more and more water by mass each year 1047068;1425945112;mircea_popescu;aha. 1047069;1425945112;asciilifeform;!s shrinkflation 1047070;1425945113;assbot;6 results for 'shrinkflation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shrinkflation 1047071;1425945124;asciilifeform;didn't think it would apply to cpu so soon. 1047072;1425945134;asciilifeform;and that no one would stampede over it 1047073;1425945152;asciilifeform;;;google new macbook slower 1047074;1425945153;saifedean;my brother is in med school and today he reported to me that according to the latest DSM, 25% suffer from psychiatric disorders... won't be long before they get this up to 100% 1047075;1425945153;gribble;Slow Mac: Why is My Mac Running Slow? | 5 Ways to Fix Your Slow ...: ; New 2014 MacBook Air: Performance benchmarks - Macworld: ; How to eliminate slow Mac problems | Apple Support Communities: (1 more message) 1047076;1425945154;mircea_popescu;i don't think the average smartphone user is smart enough to know what the cpu does. 1047077;1425945162;saifedean;Yes We Can! 1047078;1425945165;mircea_popescu;saifedean you familiar with tlp's blog ? 1047079;1425945168;asciilifeform;but the traditional '90s obsession over clocks... 1047080;1425945172;asciilifeform;gone? lol 1047081;1425945180;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that was a different generation of kids. that weren't mentally retarded. 1047082;1425945205;saifedean;i should have said: "25% of americans suffer from..." 1047083;1425945216;saifedean;oh yes 1047084;1425945217;asciilifeform;saifedean: as tlp describes, the 'disorders' are a socially-acceptable means to get officially approved to take various psychotropic drugs, for those who go in for this 1047085;1425945243;asciilifeform;also, (see also tlp), to get gov. pensions, for politically-favoured ethnics 1047086;1425945248;mircea_popescu;in the 70s, the occasional girl that went "i prefer older men" was kind of a freak. in the 90s, it was common enough. by now... i don't think any girl with options goes for boys her age. and so... there's your overclocking. 1047087;1425945275;asciilifeform;what about plato's formula? 1047088;1425945276;saifedean;if you want to go a little bit beyond TLP, try a man by the name of Jon Rappoport, and don't be intimidated by the cookiness... this guy was onto this stuff decades before TLP... and is far ahead 1047089;1425945278;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled it 1047090;1425945291;asciilifeform;girl = 1/2boy + 7 or what was it 1047091;1425945298;mircea_popescu;lmao 1047092;1425945326;mircea_popescu;saifedean the way this works is you have ot link it 1047093;1425945363;asciilifeform;lol, rappoport! directly affiliated with d. icke, iirc? who gave us the lizards ? 1047094;1425945391;saifedean;https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/the-lying-liars-who-lie-about-psychiatry/ 1047095;1425945392;assbot;The lying liars who lie about psychiatry « Jon Rappoport's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/18wrOnH ) 1047096;1425945399;asciilifeform;http://www.nomorefakenews.com << him ? 1047097;1425945400;assbot;No More Fake News Jon Rappoport Investigative Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/18wrOEf ) 1047098;1425945403;saifedean;dont think he's affiliated with icke or lizard people 1047099;1425945432;saifedean;he also wrote a mind-blowin book called AIDS, Inc... 1047100;1425945460;asciilifeform;'THERE ARE NO DEFINITIVE LABORATORY TESTS FOR ANY SO-CALLED MENTAL DISORDER.' << this is known to anyone with even a vague, passing interest in the subject. 1047101;1425945460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it ius a kinda common name 1047102;1425945481;mircea_popescu;how exactly would such a test go ? 1047103;1425945486;mircea_popescu;seems impossible by definition 1047104;1425945500;asciilifeform;sorta like the 'if it works, it's not AI' thing 1047105;1425945515;asciilifeform;or 'if it prospers none dare call it treason' 1047106;1425945530;mircea_popescu;right 1047107;1425945544;saifedean;http://www.amazon.com/AIDS-Inc-Scandal-Jon-Rappoport/dp/0941523039 1047108;1425945546;assbot;AIDS Inc.: Scandal of the Century: Jon Rappoport: 9780941523035: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENjGvP ) 1047109;1425945552;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046789 << best russian joke imo 1047110;1425945552;assbot;Logged on 09-03-2015 19:44:57; ascii_field: 'i counted, read the cards on the wreaths. said things like, 'from wife', 'from son', 'from mother-in-law' - but none said 'from vodka.' nobody died from vodka.' 1047111;1425945777;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046044 << quite. 1047112;1425945777;assbot;Logged on 08-03-2015 18:48:35; asciilifeform: whereas the real issue is, whether google should be permitted to stuff arbitrary strange into mainline kernel on their say-so 1047113;1425945813;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046053 << you are seriously not missing out on anything. 1047114;1425945813;assbot;Logged on 08-03-2015 19:03:30; asciilifeform: the folks who are willing to use 'lynx' for 100% of their www needs already know who they are. 1047115;1425945850;mircea_popescu;i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever. 1047116;1425945875;mircea_popescu;if anyone claims something beats text he means that a) he's stupid and b) given a it's easier for him. fuck that person with old transformer cores. 1047117;1425945913;asciilifeform;cad is a bitch with raw tty, but otherwise can't not agree 1047118;1425945932;mircea_popescu;so make a cad station. 1047119;1425945937;asciilifeform;sorta did. 1047120;1425945940;mircea_popescu;so then. 1047121;1425945961;mircea_popescu;you will not behehehelieve the improvements of productivity once you simply do not any longer support the methods of timewasters. 1047122;1425945979;mircea_popescu;"no audio, no video, if you can't write it so i feel like reading it you never happened." 1047123;1425945989;*;asciilifeform is presently lulzing at reciprocidad.provincianet.com.ar, where he is buying a ticket to ride argentina. like it were amusement park. 1047124;1425946001;mircea_popescu;lol 1047125;1425946141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00032601 = 3.6839 BTC [+] 1047126;1425946237;asciilifeform;!up saifedean 1047127;1425946820;*;asciilifeform once took the theory described above by mircea_popescu to its logical conclusion and bought an ibm 'green phosphor' tty. 1047128;1425946881;*;asciilifeform didn't stick with it long-term, but that's a story for another day 1047129;1425946931;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, that thing mails plaintext pw 1047130;1425946945;asciilifeform;the ar entry fee gizmo, that is 1047131;1425946955;asciilifeform;other u.s. folks take note! 1047132;1425946971;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6 ^^^^ 1047133;1425946972;ben_vulpes;http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.cabochon.com/~stevey/blog-rants/tour-de-babel.html << more linkrot 1047134;1425946976;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo also ? 1047135;1425946996;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what was this 1047136;1425947000;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yeah i saw that last year 1047137;1425947011;ben_vulpes;it actually choked on my passport name 1047138;1425947014;ben_vulpes;er, number 1047139;1425947020;ben_vulpes;oh man i changed my name and have a new passport 1047140;1425947026;ben_vulpes;i have to pay the reciprocity fee again don't i 1047141;1425947030;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes went to ar last year!? 1047142;1425947044;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: this is not news. 1047143;1425947049;*;asciilifeform forgot this somehow 1047144;1425947053;ben_vulpes;!s steak from:ben_vulpes 1047145;1425947054;assbot;0 results for 'steak from:ben_vulpes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=steak+from%3Aben_vulpes 1047146;1425947061;*;asciilifeform vaguely recalls 1047147;1425947061;ben_vulpes;!s steak from:benkay 1047148;1425947062;assbot;7 results for 'steak from:benkay' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=steak+from%3Abenkay 1047149;1425947067;ben_vulpes;somewhere in there 1047150;1425947071;asciilifeform;^ that must be why forgot 1047151;1425947076;asciilifeform;filed under old name in head. 1047152;1425947088;asciilifeform;benkay -everyone knows- went to ar.. 1047153;1425947090;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: the link in question is about amazon's use of emacs in their frontline customer support 1047154;1425947097;ben_vulpes;what, he just did a runner? 1047155;1425947109;asciilifeform;l0l 1047156;1425947138;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: at any rate, their online store thing claims it's valid for 10 yrs. 1047157;1425947149;ben_vulpes;right 1047158;1425947153;ben_vulpes;but it's filed under the old name. 1047159;1425947156;asciilifeform;if you can prove same guy 1047160;1425947160;ben_vulpes;what, do i bring all of my name change paperwork? 1047161;1425947165;ben_vulpes;old, punched passport? 1047162;1425947166;asciilifeform;probably ought to 1047163;1425947171;ben_vulpes;will anyways. 1047164;1425947180;ben_vulpes;ars is not actually the problem. 1047165;1425947186;ben_vulpes;it's my own statal agents i've gotta convince the papers are legit. 1047166;1425947187;asciilifeform;aha, on way back in 1047167;1425947194;ben_vulpes;no, not even *in* 1047168;1425947208;ben_vulpes;they actually won't let you on the plane without the paper printed out. 1047169;1425947388;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I've seen the "amusement park ticket" requirement for Argentina. 1047170;1425947592;asciilifeform;'2015-02-18 16:30:53 We are Now Processing Your Order [...snippetysnip...] 2015-02-25 15:16:28 We Have Ordered PCBs for Your Order / 2015-03-09 21:26:08 We Have Received PCBs for Your Order' 1047171;1425947602;asciilifeform;ferfphuxxsake 1047172;1425947607;asciilifeform;slowpokes. 1047173;1425947630;asciilifeform;'made in usa' and it shows 1047174;1425947825;mod6;<+asciilifeform> the ar entry fee gizmo, that is << lol wtf, you have to pay a 'reciprocity fee'? 1047175;1425947858;asciilifeform;mod6: aha 1047176;1425947881;mod6;mp: you run .ar now right? just tell 'em im comin and it's all good. 1047177;1425947885;danielpbarron;that meowmix character found me on another irc network -- i recognize the hostmask; it appears to be from my area as well 1047178;1425947929;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: if he's human, he ought to win a 'least distinguishable from perl script' award of some kind. 1047179;1425948070;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1047180;1425948071;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1N3TCSP.txt ) 1047181;1425948094;asciilifeform;http://www.migraciones.gov.ar/accesible/indexN.php?identidad_genero << lol!! 1047182;1425948096;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7jiH6 ) 1047183;1425948165;BingoBoingo;lol http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/03/ios-8-2-uses-your-home-screen-as-an-apple-watch-advertisement/ 1047184;1425948166;assbot;iOS 8.2 uses your home screen as an Apple Watch advertisement | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7joi5 ) 1047185;1425948213;mod6;jesus cristo, $160!? 1047186;1425948339;danielpbarron;i created a folder to dump all the undeletable apps and hide the whole thing on the last page 1047187;1425948395;*;asciilifeform lulzz at how iPnohe needs a remote controller now 1047188;1425948411;asciilifeform;why not make these briefcase-sized again 1047189;1425948418;asciilifeform;like '80s mobiles 1047190;1425948436;asciilifeform;if you're expected to speak into the wristwatch 1047191;1425948461;danielpbarron;oo what about a shoe phone like in those old detective shows 1047192;1425948475;asciilifeform;hruschevphone 1047193;1425948602;danielpbarron;http://xkcd.com/1420/ 1047194;1425948603;assbot;xkcd: Watches ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7kaLX ) 1047195;1425948641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00032227 = 4.0123 BTC [-] 1047196;1425949059;asciilifeform;when are folks showing up in buenos aires again? 1047197;1425949071;*;asciilifeform is about to buy ticket 1047198;1425949310;mod6;i wont be there until like 9-10am friday morning. i leave on thursday afternoon. 1047199;1425950208;cazalla;danielpbarron: i created a folder to dump all the undeletable apps and hide the whole thing on the last page <<< hah i do this too and the folder is titled useless 1047200;1425950280;cazalla;but i don't use my phone much at all now since i was relegated back to iphone 4 after smashing the 5, if it wasn't for google maps i'd get rid of it 1047201;1425950773;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: anything damning we ought to know about 'Aerolineas Argentinas' ? 1047202;1425950808;asciilifeform;the price alone suggests that it might be their version of 'aeroflot' 1047203;1425950853;cazalla;http://om.co/2015/03/09/a-statement-about-gigaom/ who's next? 1047204;1425950895;asciilifeform;site is dead 1047205;1425950921;asciilifeform;or hm, not 1047206;1425950960;cazalla;tldr is that it's shutting down 1047207;1425950967;asciilifeform;what even was it. 1047208;1425950972;asciilifeform;hoster? 1047209;1425951028;cazalla;gigaom was some tech site or other, never really read it tbh, just knew of the name 1047210;1425951039;cazalla;here is mashable's ver anyway http://mashable.com/2015/03/09/farewell-gigaom-tech-news-powerhouse-shutting-down/ 1047211;1425951040;assbot;Farewell, GigaOm: Tech news powerhouse shutting down ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ac5R4R ) 1047212;1425951042;*;asciilifeform iirc never once heard of it 1047213;1425951107;cazalla;here is the text from gigaom site if it's not loading for you http://dpaste.com/0BDQPTS.txt 1047214;1425951108;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ac5Wp6 ) 1047215;1425951165;asciilifeform;why this death is notable? did they go down 'in style', taking $maxint of chumpmoney into neverneverland with them ? 1047216;1425951394;cazalla;not that it's notable, just serves as another example of what is to come for similar sites 1047217;1425951469;cazalla;as for bezzle.. "22.3 Million in 6 Rounds from 8 Investors " didn't seem to help 1047218;1425951629;asciilifeform;;;calc (22.3*10**6) / (400*10**3) 1047219;1425951629;gribble;55.75 1047220;1425951652;asciilifeform;cazalla: it would have bought ~55 buses in a major american city. 1047221;1425951668;asciilifeform;betcha 55 buses would turn a profit. 1047222;1425951723;asciilifeform;make it a nice round 50, have some left over for petrol & drivers 1047223;1425951740;asciilifeform;(and bakshish for city hall) 1047224;1425951934;decimation;asciilifeform: re: passports < did you notice that the us state dept. now issues an 'rf proof' sleeve with all passports? 1047225;1425951975;asciilifeform;decimation: nope 1047226;1425951980;mircea_popescu; the ar entry fee gizmo, that is << i don't think you can readily imagine how tech retarded the argentines actually are. 1047227;1425951984;asciilifeform;decimation: last i saw, you had to spend an extra buck & buy it 1047228;1425951990;mircea_popescu;picture small siberian village cca 1995. 1047229;1425951995;asciilifeform;srsly?! 1047230;1425951997;asciilifeform;l0l! 1047231;1425952041;mircea_popescu; i have to pay the reciprocity fee again don't i << reciprocisquat all the names! 1047232;1425952057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13998 @ 0.00032155 = 4.5011 BTC [-] 1047233;1425952074;decimation;http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/passports/FAQs.html < " Laser engraving and state-of-the-art security features minimize the possibility of counterfeiting and forgery. The card is issued with a protective sleeve that prevents the card from being read when not in use." 1047234;1425952076;assbot;Frequently Asked Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ac7zDs ) 1047235;1425952102;decimation;apparently the state department 'officially admitted' that the passports were insecure and leaked info 1047236;1425952171;decimation;re: apple watch < my question: did they spend an extra $10 for a temperature compensated crystal oscillator or does it have a cheapass crystal which requires constant correction 1047237;1425952182;decimation;not that it much matters, given that it will barely work for a day without charging 1047238;1425952226;asciilifeform;decimation: almost certainly the cheapest crystal (if any! might well have rc oscillator!) - given as the thing only works with iPnohe, which has always-on tcp 1047239;1425952231;asciilifeform;(and hence ntp) 1047240;1425952248;decimation;I thought it had its own built-in gps 1047241;1425952275;mircea_popescu; mp: you run .ar now right? just tell 'em im comin and it's all good. < haha nah. 1047242;1425952292;decimation;ah apparently not. that makes it absolutely worthless for any purpose 1047243;1425952319;mod6;awe! 1047244;1425952321;asciilifeform;decimation: it's a remote for iPnohe. mega-snore. other vendors had these ages ago. 1047245;1425952331;asciilifeform;(for turdroid) 1047246;1425952341;decimation;yeah. I would be interested in it if it could be used as a heart-rate monitor only 1047247;1425952349;decimation;but apple isn't in the business of making functionality 1047248;1425952353;mircea_popescu; mircea_popescu: anything damning we ought to know about 'Aerolineas Argentinas' ? << i think they've notlost a plane yet. 1047249;1425952353;mod6;mircea_popescu: is someone coming to pick me up from the aeropuerto tho? 1047250;1425952363;asciilifeform;mod6 asks good question 1047251;1425952371;ben_vulpes;'twas promised! 1047252;1425952376;asciilifeform;as in, from what day's the room booked, and till what 1047253;1425952394;asciilifeform;because i'm being offered l337 discountz if come early & go late, etc 1047254;1425952405;mircea_popescu; hoster? << gigaom was a ms shill back when ballmer was new and ms thought blogs might matter. 1047255;1425952422;mircea_popescu;mod6 yup 1047256;1425952440;mod6;aw sweet. thx! 1047257;1425952444;mircea_popescu;"Gigaom is winding down and its assets are now controlled by the company’s lenders. It is not how you want the story of a company you founded to end. " << ahaha. this is so fucking convenient. 1047258;1425952463;mircea_popescu;goes with my "Remember the inept newsweek goon, Leah McGrath Goodman ? The chick with the mortgage she can't pay on her own ? Like that other chick, like each and every other chick in this quagmire of chickdom ? 1047259;1425952463;mircea_popescu;That's the thing. It looks like it should work, on the surface. If you don't dig too deeply, you may even come to the mistaken belief it worked for others. Meanwhile... Social Studies Do Not Work." 1047260;1425952550;decimation;so the eu announced they would be printing euros, and in reaction german gov't bonds... rallied? 1047261;1425952583;mircea_popescu; srsly?! << yes srsly. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ba-15-5.jpg 1047262;1425952584;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENMlRb ) 1047263;1425952586;decimation;;;ticker 1047264;1425952587;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 293.55, Best ask: 293.67, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 293.55, 24 hour volume: 66303.97185286, 24 hour low: 275.56, 24 hour high: 295.99, 24 hour vwap: None 1047265;1425952590;decimation;as did bitcoin 1047266;1425952640;asciilifeform;la finalizacion del soporte [!!!] para windows xp.... 1047267;1425952644;asciilifeform;^^^ l0l! 1047268;1425952673;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can enjoy your discounts, vipness is accomodating. 1047269;1425952682;asciilifeform;neato-matic. 1047270;1425952688;decimation;'nobody was fired for buying microsoft' 1047271;1425952711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that thing is pretty much THE showcase thing, about 20 feet tall, two blocks from center of town, right by natl theatre 1047272;1425952804;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HwDEfDMdFTU/R1NwsoURThI/AAAAAAAADCE/RhHA4Zabjxk/s1600-R/largest-adobe-flash-crash-closeup.gif << times square, nyc. 1047273;1425952805;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENNicn ) 1047274;1425952827;mircea_popescu;maybe they were going for that then 1047275;1425953126;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046045 << this is accurate. 1047276;1425953126;assbot;Logged on 08-03-2015 18:49:19; asciilifeform: a good chunk of the reputation of linus t. is that he's been fairly effective at keeping a lid on this kind of thing, historically 1047277;1425953133;mircea_popescu;all the derps derping derpage about how linus "iusn 1047278;1425953173;mircea_popescu;isn't nice"/up to whatever libertarded snuff miss the point by a planetsize. his capital 100% consists of reliably telling "authorities" to go fuck themselves. sorta like me, in his field. 1047279;1425953192;mircea_popescu;which is why he is a central figure, and a nail off which many hats are hung. the moment he comes loose off of that, he lost it all. 1047280;1425953227;mircea_popescu;this mentioned mostly to explain why om malik was never worth anything, and the "entrepreneurship" he deludes himself with / defrauded naive investors with pure puff. 1047281;1425953403;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046079 << somethimes this approach is notbad.jpg such as for instance http://36.media.tumblr.com/72032cc1ee0dfc7a09dafad2184448b0/tumblr_mzns2gMtxD1r2lceuo5_1280.jpg 1047282;1425953403;assbot;Logged on 08-03-2015 19:09:12; thestringpuller: punkman: keybase is forcing users to trust in central authority rather than forcing users to learn "their lessons" 1047283;1425953404;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENPIb5 ) 1047284;1425953434;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller who made http://i.imgur.com/t2sfuot.jpg ? 1047285;1425953435;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENPRLA ) 1047286;1425954098;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: we may never know. just thought it was relevant when I saw it on r/bitcoin 1047287;1425954116;mircea_popescu;pretty great. 1047288;1425954171;mircea_popescu;the fact that it's one of the lamest "superheroes" (ghost something i dun recall) of one of the lamest "brands" (hanna-barbera, makers of utter age of crap atrocities like scooby doo and the jetsons) only bolsters the point 1047289;1425954173;mircea_popescu;by like > 9000 1047290;1425954206;thestringpuller;lol mircea_popescu never saw space ghost coast 2 coast 1047291;1425954221;thestringpuller;Space Ghost had a night show before Colbert did you know... 1047292;1425954256;mircea_popescu;and obama ate his own feces before pan troglodytes ? 1047293;1425954267;mircea_popescu;what sort of contest was there. 1047294;1425954589;mircea_popescu;!up JustSomeGuy 1047295;1425954596;JustSomeGuy;thnx 1047296;1425954604;mircea_popescu;sure. 1047297;1425954642;cazalla;mircea_popescu, do you get tamarillo's over that way? 1047298;1425954818;mircea_popescu;if they do i never had one 1047299;1425954829;danielpbarron;spaceghost is the show ATHF spun off from 1047300;1425954870;cazalla;i read they grow em next door in chile.. quite nice (old guy over the back has a tree) 1047301;1425954895;cazalla;it's like a tomato and passionfruit combined 1047302;1425954919;mircea_popescu;http://santa-fe.guia.clarin.com/cementerio-parque-de-la-eternidad-del-grupo-funarg/515224 << funarg problem 1047303;1425954922;assbot;Cementerio Parque De La Eternidad Del Grupo Funarg en Rosario, sucursal de Salta 3070,Rosario,Santa Fe ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbdKGL ) 1047304;1425954985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57426 @ 0.00032569 = 18.7031 BTC [+] {4} 1047305;1425955020;asciilifeform;http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/Weizenbaum-FUNARG_Problem_Explained-1968.pdf << yes, that weizenbaum. (of 'eliza.') and pdf because scan of a scan of a xerox of a xerox... 1047306;1425955176;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046150 << such nonsense. 1047307;1425955176;assbot;Logged on 08-03-2015 19:31:23; decimation: http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/08/on-secretly-terrible-engineers/ < mostly rambling but has an interesting point "The difference between finance, management consulting, and engineering is that the first two fields have status hierarchy, and the third one doesn’t." 1047308;1425955220;mircea_popescu;all fields have hierarchy. good fields like finance, consulting and [good] engineering have competence based hierarchy. bad fields like women in tech, women in blabla have derpage based hierarchy. 1047309;1425955356;mircea_popescu;props to the idiot women running tech crunch nowadays tho, going to town with their typically idiotic "we claim nonsense as fact, because bois are generally too shy to tell us to stuff it" 1047310;1425955547;mircea_popescu;"I’ve always been curious what all these people have been up to in the Valley. Where do they go all day? What do they do? If we are so surrounded by lackluster talent, how do we build all of these companies that seem to be taking over the world?" 1047311;1425955549;mircea_popescu;ooookay. 1047312;1425955558;mircea_popescu;taking over my penis already. 1047313;1425955613;mircea_popescu;https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/the-lying-liars-who-lie-about-psychiatry/ << this guy is a) banal and b) nutty. 1047314;1425955615;assbot;The lying liars who lie about psychiatry « Jon Rappoport's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCtzjU ) 1047315;1425955629;mircea_popescu;i'd prefer the opposite of b, but in no case am i interested in anything but the opposite of a. 1047316;1425955663;asciilifeform;so perhaps it was -that- rappoport 1047317;1425955690;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1047093 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1047096 1047318;1425955690;assbot;Logged on 09-03-2015 23:56:03; asciilifeform: lol, rappoport! directly affiliated with d. icke, iirc? who gave us the lizards ? 1047319;1425955690;assbot;Logged on 09-03-2015 23:56:39; asciilifeform: http://www.nomorefakenews.com << him ? 1047320;1425956085;decimation;re: 'what do they do: http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2009/05/far-out-space-nuts.html < related “The Americans have gone to the moon. And the Russians. The Chinese and Indians will go there soon. Africans are the only ones who are stuck here,†Museveni said, addressing a meeting of the Uganda Law Society in Entebbe.“We must also go there and say: ‘What are you people doing up here?’†1047321;1425956086;assbot;Across Difficult Country: Far out space nuts ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbhjNb ) 1047322;1425956101;ben_vulpes;haha 1047323;1425956415;decimation;ben_vulpes: did you solve your osx emacs woes? 1047324;1425956428;decimation;the macports 'emacs-app' works fine for me 1047325;1425956718;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards < note the complete lack of modern intel xeons on the 'supported' list 1047326;1425956722;assbot;Supported Motherboards - coreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbjsbB ) 1047327;1425957178;ben_vulpes;http://www.kalzumeus.com/2015/03/09/announcing-starfighter/ << on the topic of "no quality engineers" 1047328;1425957179;assbot;Announcing Starfighter | Kalzumeus Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbkJ2C ) 1047329;1425957211;danielpbarron;i guess it wasn't bitcoind that caused the power cycle; just happened again just now and it wasn't running.. 1047330;1425957395;mircea_popescu; so perhaps it was -that- rappoport << seems entirely plausible 1047331;1425957520;decimation;ben_vulpes: lol, maybe we can 'seo' the brains of prospective hires 1047332;1425957641;mircea_popescu;i knew that church idiot wasn't the only cockroach in the kitchen 1047333;1425957651;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is going to be the next personal trainer. 1047334;1425957719;decimation;actually he is making exactly the same error that you claim the iq testing guys are making 1047335;1425957732;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1047336;1425957739;decimation;the ability solve random puzzle games probably has nearly nothing to do with being a productive employee 1047337;1425957784;decimation;it might yield interesting patterns across large demographics, but the bridge of causality has yet to be constructed 1047338;1425957801;mircea_popescu;something like that 1047339;1425957820;mircea_popescu;just like the pizzeria that gives you a cute plushie isn't necessarily going to be the best pizza for your buck. 1047340;1425957899;decimation;there is a mystery: plenty of folks sit around all day playing WoW, etc for hours, and yet cannot find a productive 'real job' 1047341;1425957951;mircea_popescu;the job thing cuts so low that it is absolutely NEVER the case ANYONE couldn't find a job. it's just they do not wish to do the jobs available to them. 1047342;1425957980;mircea_popescu;the 2nd and 3rd degree losses from this far outstrip the 1st degree. 1047343;1425958030;mircea_popescu;ie, random imbecile 20something figures it's ok for him to forego employment as the guy bagging my groceries on the grounds that he can do without the 380 a week that job pays, and besides, he's a college grad! so he plays wow. 1047344;1425958052;mircea_popescu;this does not cost him just the 380, but also the ease of interacting with people that job would have forced upon him. so he has no girlfriend. 1047345;1425958063;mircea_popescu;and also the sort of self discipline that job forces on him, so he is now also fat. 1047346;1425958085;mircea_popescu;these are 2nd degree. then the town he lives in goes to shit, because no servants can be found, so smart people leave and usg moves in. 1047347;1425958095;mircea_popescu;that's the 3rd degree. soon enough the whole charade collapsed. 1047348;1425958114;decimation;then he's lowered into peasant-hood and has to work to eat? 1047349;1425958119;mircea_popescu;nope. 1047350;1425958136;mircea_popescu;he gets killed by a "terrorist" who proceeds to rape his corpse and boil his pet. 1047351;1425958159;mircea_popescu;there's no easy ways out. 1047352;1425958161;decimation;heh. others of his kind post on reddit about how terrible this is 1047353;1425958190;mircea_popescu;for all the difference that'll make... 1047354;1425958209;mircea_popescu;i suppose the terrorist can then wipe his bloody tool on reddit screencaps printed on archival paper 1047355;1425958378;mircea_popescu;a normally functioning economy would incentivize him to get out of the loop, by for instance starvation. however... all this desire to "help people" the wrong way, and the overpowered and hyperactive mothers that overprotect the squirrulous fruit of their womb makes any sort of meaningful rescue impossible. 1047356;1425958518;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in saner countries, http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac4ddb551c451eab25d59445a170f180/tumblr_mywedrd2KT1sjp5vmo1_400.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/9ea7cf2925cde2838e3b7fe6084060ac/tumblr_mywedrd2KT1sjp5vmo2_400.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/079aee9ef30fd118676cd7c204377622/tumblr_mywedrd2KT1sjp5vmo3_400.gif 1047357;1425958520;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbowwO ) 1047358;1425958522;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AboyEX ) 1047359;1425958524;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Abox3Q ) 1047360;1425958634;ben_vulpes;ahaha so let me trumpet the superiority of my woman for a moment 1047361;1425958640;ben_vulpes;her mother's been banging on for a visit recently 1047362;1425958643;ben_vulpes;lady v has scheduled this trip to coincide with con3 1047363;1425958659;mircea_popescu;o, she's not coming over ? 1047364;1425958679;ben_vulpes;wags was a bust last round according to you 1047365;1425958710;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. 1047366;1425959047;cazalla;danielpbarron, lol @rabite blocked me now 1047367;1425959112;danielpbarron;me too 1047368;1425959114;danielpbarron;:D 1047369;1425959899;mircea_popescu;o.O 1047370;1425959939;ben_vulpes;the troll who trained shanley? blocking trolls? 1047371;1425959971;mircea_popescu;these guys must be really good. 1047372;1425960161;ben_vulpes;https://vid.me/e/HNrC << working on obedience at distance in casa vulpes esta noche 1047373;1425960162;assbot;Video upload (HNrC) - vidme ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOfSdC ) 1047374;1425960341;decimation;mircea_popescu: re: terrorist < eh, I don't see it. what does it benefit the terrorist to even bother? 1047375;1425960354;decimation;other than being a megalomaniac and/or sick fuck 1047376;1425960554;decimation;on another note, another lesson to learn from the french revolution: the problem with being a lefty populist is that there's always someone else who is a little more left and a little more populist 1047377;1425960646;decimation;because unlike reactionaries, nobody on the left can actually claim to legitimately vest sovereignty in a particular person - all leftist government are of a temporary and emergency nature 1047378;1425960719;cazalla;not that i'd buy one, but at least these new mac laptops have 16:10 display.. with all the 16:9's doing away with master race 16:10's, it must be coming back into fashion 1047379;1425960788;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that beast yours ? 1047380;1425960810;asciilifeform;longdog is long 1047381;1425960896;decimation;asciilifeform: re: old macbooks < apparently coreboot supports the old 1,1 and 2,1 macbooks 1047382;1425960956;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc 'efi' (standard apple/sun/sgi bootloader) a) has published source b) doesn't do particularly much in the first place 1047383;1425960972;decimation;yeah, good point. 1047384;1425960993;decimation;the main issue are all the peripherals. they sort of work. 1047385;1425961003;decimation;but probably not suspend-to-ram 1047386;1425961007;*;asciilifeform has had more than his fill of 'sort of work 1047387;1425961008;asciilifeform;' 1047388;1425961086;decimation;more interesting are all of the server motherboards, but it seems like support is limited to old opterons 1047389;1425961127;asciilifeform;pretty much whole amd product line works 1047390;1425961258;ben_vulpes;why is suspend to ram such a big deal? 1047391;1425961276;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: for me in particular? or asking why difficult to implement correctly 1047392;1425961286;ben_vulpes;for you in particular. 1047393;1425961289;asciilifeform;aha 1047394;1425961300;asciilifeform;because i often use machine for a minute or two at a time 1047395;1425961308;asciilifeform;and then put back on shelf or in bag 1047396;1425961313;asciilifeform;and have no desire to boot 1047397;1425961323;asciilifeform;or, conversely, to lose state when closed down 1047398;1425961339;*;asciilifeform does not carry out crypto or secret work of whatever kind on such machines 1047399;1425961354;ben_vulpes;http://imgur.com/F6KDREa << my beast, fairly long. yellow object is nine inches. 1047400;1425961355;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkErI ) 1047401;1425961368;ben_vulpes;also tonight the beast acquired a new trick: "hold the fuck still while i put things on you" 1047402;1425961391;cazalla;i love dogs but a dog in the house.. i dunno mang 1047403;1425961399;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes got the dog properly level ? 1047404;1425961446;cazalla;my staffy lived for 16 years and she was only permitted into the laundry 1047405;1425961480;asciilifeform;leg shape in toilet on upper right hand corner of photo is ben_vulpes ? 1047406;1425961497;asciilifeform;or other pet 1047407;1425961537;cazalla;asciilifeform, towel or gown is my bed 1047408;1425961540;cazalla;bet 1047409;1425961757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00032869 = 7.0011 BTC [+] 1047410;1425962220;ben_vulpes;hahahahaha 1047411;1425962222;ben_vulpes;towel. 1047412;1425962229;asciilifeform;lol 1047413;1425962237;ben_vulpes;y'no see the tag, and the drapes, and the tag, and the being of in the bathroom? 1047414;1425962326;mircea_popescu; other than being a megalomaniac and/or sick fuck << kinda the definition. 1047415;1425962389;asciilifeform;processing of homo redditicus by countereconomic 'hobbyist' sick fuck is only one possibility 1047416;1425962398;asciilifeform;there is also colonization and industrial rendering for biodiesel. 1047417;1425962443;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/rjMI2Dh.gif 1047418;1425962447;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOoCk4 ) 1047419;1425962447;asciilifeform;a la incas or east eur. / east asia circa ww2 1047420;1425962733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6546 @ 0.00032732 = 2.1426 BTC [-] 1047421;1425963092;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 1047422;1425963093;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.55, Best ask: 295.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 295.58, 24 hour volume: 69823.21671155, 24 hour low: 278.21, 24 hour high: 298.95, 24 hour vwap: None 1047423;1425965417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00031871 = 4.3823 BTC [-] {3} 1047424;1425966698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65671 @ 0.00032748 = 21.5059 BTC [+] {2} 1047425;1425967067;mircea_popescu;hey, has doge registered the .moon tld yet ? 1047426;1425967074;mircea_popescu;doge.moon sounds pretty apt. 1047427;1425968145;BingoBoingo;No idea if they have? can they afford a tld? 1047428;1425969090;mircea_popescu;well if they sold all the doge in the world... 1047429;1425969107;mircea_popescu;i guess the answer im looking for is no. 1047430;1425969399;mircea_popescu;and in the daily wtf, http://40.media.tumblr.com/7213e1473373def4e3cff85f189a6ae1/tumblr_nira03BKqI1u1gbqro1_1280.jpg 1047431;1425969401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5PvAc ) 1047432;1425969740;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047115 << this is why i don't quite buy the "trillion dollar project" argument. 1047433;1425969740;assbot;Logged on 10-03-2015 00:04:10; mircea_popescu: i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever. 1047434;1425969762;mircea_popescu;which argument is that ? 1047435;1425969786;ben_vulpes;redoing modern compute is impossible without your own icbm and maintenance staff for. 1047436;1425969790;ben_vulpes;icmbs* 1047437;1425969794;ben_vulpes;and silos and etc etc 1047438;1425969796;mircea_popescu;ah. alf just likes hyperbolae 1047439;1425969805;ben_vulpes;i know this, but for the loggerheads. 1047440;1425969806;mircea_popescu;a pretty good place to deploy them, too. 1047441;1425969817;ben_vulpes;the argument deserves surfacing. 1047442;1425969824;mircea_popescu;no rush anyway. 1047443;1425969834;ben_vulpes;it's a trillion dollar project if you swallow the whole spitoon of what constitutes modern computing. 1047444;1425969837;ben_vulpes;x11, the whole nine. 1047445;1425969837;mircea_popescu;the world was apparently content to wait fifty fucking years for us to come along 1047446;1425969845;mircea_popescu;it can wait while i finish my cake slice too. 1047447;1425969919;mircea_popescu;it's so apt that, you know that ilf of ilf & petrov fame also was an initialism ? 1047448;1425970026;mircea_popescu;for that matter, it is unclear to me that the notion of "fonts" adds any value whatsoever and is anything other than shitgnomism, 80s flavour. 1047449;1425970055;mircea_popescu;not to mention i still distinctly recall my cat-ish mistrust as an 8 yo boy confronted with "special symbols". why exactly something like $ is even needed, or useful, is imo still open to debate. 1047450;1425970074;mircea_popescu;27 fucking letters and be happy if you get case next version. 1047451;1425970209;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/ 1047452;1425970346;mircea_popescu;and with that, i'm off! 1047453;1425970456;ben_vulpes;https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=c517d838eb7d07bbe9507871fab3931deccff539 1047454;1425970457;assbot;kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hs5VCs ) 1047455;1425970683;cazalla;thestringpuller, ya see hotline miami 2 is out.. i didn't, it's fucking banned in australia lol 1047456;1425970698;ben_vulpes;movies get banned in oz? 1047457;1425970875;cazalla;yes, e.g battle royale 1047458;1425970993;cazalla;ken park was another 1047459;1425971018;[]bot;Bet placed: 11 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 41.1069007 BTC. Current weight: 98,697. 1047460;1425972991;mats;http://kukuruku.co/hub/diy/usb-killer 1047461;1425972994;assbot;USB Killer ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7ZbbH ) 1047462;1425973003;mats;hello cuties 1047463;1425973543;mats;http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~yoonguk/papers/kim-isca14.pdf 1047464;1425973546;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E809EU ) 1047465;1425973710;ben_vulpes;oh that's delightful 1047466;1425974741;punkman;https://twitter.com/neweraesthetics/status/574869026817601536 1047467;1425974742;assbot;TREASURYPUNK http://t.co/GH9ig69CkR 1047468;1425978731;davout;;;later tell mircea_popescu hory shet, i was just thinking about this, how every single bitcoin noob and nigger displays this particular feature, he has "found a problem", and "wants to fix it" 1047469;1425978731;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1047470;1425978837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00032202 = 5.9574 BTC [-] 1047471;1425979785;davout;!rate justusranvier -10 not sure whether the guy is malicious, stupid or both. either way... 1047472;1425979785;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6614a2b084e35879 1047473;1425979824;davout;!v assbot:davout.rate.justusranvier.-10:33cf38a1d7094b723a4e8dabbdb8362d2aabe73a3027fd1c9005f12243acc4b7 1047474;1425979824;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -10 for justusranvier with note: not sure whether the guy is malicious, stupid or both. either way... 1047475;1425979839;davout;;;rate justusranvier -10 not sure whether the guy is malicious, stupid or both. either way... 1047476;1425979840;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. 1047477;1425979848;davout;;;eauth davout 1047478;1425979849;gribble;Request successful for user davout, hostmask davout!~david@unaffiliated/davout. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/13288EAB01713428 1047479;1425979860;davout;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a6e8e3d9994b6f86570a948a761d8f8e9ec7e8f7240bc14b45ee3c59 1047480;1425979861;gribble;You are now authenticated for user davout with key 13288EAB01713428 1047481;1425979865;davout;;;rate justusranvier -10 not sure whether the guy is malicious, stupid or both. either way... 1047482;1425979867;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user justusranvier has been recorded. 1047483;1425980019;cazalla;davout, that 20mb block size limit thread derailed 50 pages back 1047484;1425980058;davout;cazalla: yeah, that's right. i just need to kill some time while http://xkcd.com/303/ 1047485;1425980059;assbot;xkcd: Compiling ... ( http://bit.ly/1wVwPlw ) 1047486;1425980757;kakobrekla;speaking of xkcd, such pogo: http://xkcd.com/1495/ 1047487;1425980757;assbot;xkcd: Hard Reboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZBAWd ) 1047488;1425980962;davout;kakobrekla: lmao 1047489;1425981572;davout;kakobrekla: you're not coming to BA btw? 1047490;1425981609;kakobrekla;correct. 1047491;1425981643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00032869 = 3.0239 BTC [+] 1047492;1425982009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15327 @ 0.00032921 = 5.0458 BTC [+] {3} 1047493;1425982673;davout;kakobrekla: :-( 1047494;1425986048;cazalla;I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin — the next major release, which will be sometime 1047495;1425986048;cazalla; in the June timeframe — to have a scheduled hardfork to increase the block size in it. I probably won’t get there. It’ll probably be in the release after that, but we’ll see. 1047496;1425986071;cazalla;i 1047497;1425986082;cazalla;i'll give you one guess as to who i am quoting 1047498;1425986264;davout;cazalla: gah-veen of course 1047499;1425986523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27067 @ 0.00032643 = 8.8355 BTC [-] {2} 1047500;1425987653;adlai;cazalla: battle royale << i'm sorry but that was a terrible movie, basically Running Man without arnie = worthless 1047501;1425987672;cazalla;how dare you! 1047502;1425987721;cazalla;adlai, are you sure you're not confusing br1 with br2? 1047503;1425987721;adlai;usually i like cult films but this is an exception, if it wasn't for hours of boredom that had to be staved off somehow i'd never have even finished it 1047504;1425987748;adlai;hmmaybe? i just watched whatever the other sergeant said was a movie we had to watch 1047505;1425987767;*;adlai spent >90% of his lifelong screen-watching-time in the army 1047506;1425987796;adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YAAku7kTro 1047507;1425987797;assbot;jarhead - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EPXalL ) 1047508;1425987829;cazalla;i enjoyed it but it's not exactly up there amongst my top fav cult films, that spot is claimed by a chinese ghost story and the young and dangerous series 1047509;1425987865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42442 @ 0.00033399 = 14.1752 BTC [+] {2} 1047510;1425987955;adlai;soylent green! 1047511;1425988035;cazalla;i'll have to check that one out 1047512;1425988105;adlai;what really amazed/disappointed me was that NONE of the initial press coverage of 'soylent cream' mentioned 'soylent green' 1047513;1425988842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18359 @ 0.00033561 = 6.1615 BTC [+] {2} 1047514;1425989086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6691 @ 0.00033864 = 2.2658 BTC [+] 1047515;1425989513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00032873 = 5.9829 BTC [-] 1047516;1425990794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26564 @ 0.00032873 = 8.7324 BTC [-] 1047517;1425993188;mircea_popescu;davout ayup, it's a thing. 1047518;1425993206;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047115 << implies that text is by far fastest/most reliable channel to push bits into the brain 1047519;1425993206;assbot;Logged on 10-03-2015 00:04:10; mircea_popescu: i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever. 1047520;1425993222;mircea_popescu;it does. 1047521;1425993229;jurov;i concede all the other attempts were feeble, but it may not be the ultimate case 1047522;1425993231;mircea_popescu;if it weren't, we wouldn't CODE IN FUCKING TEXT 1047523;1425993272;mircea_popescu;the day someone makes derp++ and starts iterating splines in a cube conditional, we can revisit this. 1047524;1425993346;mircea_popescu;that said, feel free to draw out your love and other emotions, preferably directly on the object, with sticky matter. 1047525;1425993357;jurov;that's not what i'm saying 1047526;1425993386;jurov;i'm saying it looks like local optimum and when retina is fully reverse-engineered, better methods may be found 1047527;1425993398;jurov;but everyone is so used to text, it will be hard 1047528;1425993412;jurov;*local maximum 1047529;1425993449;mircea_popescu;that somehow didn't emerge. so wait, reverse engineer the retina ? in what sense ? it's pretty well described as is 1047530;1425993503;jurov;even if, the knowledge is not yet being used in practice to achieve better bitrates 1047531;1425993539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 105 @ 0.01643809 = 1.726 BTC [+] {5} 1047532;1425993544;mircea_popescu;i think the bitrate approach misses the fundamental point here. you'll never beat the bitrate of "put out random pixels" with any bitmap approach. 1047533;1425993554;mircea_popescu;this is where anything but text fails : no abstractive power. 1047534;1425993568;mircea_popescu;a curve does not meaningfully stand for a set of curves like a word stands for a set of words. 1047535;1425993607;jurov;there was the cad example, for curves that meaningfully stand for something 1047536;1425993630;mircea_popescu;only because there's a textual context to generously support it. 1047537;1425993634;mircea_popescu;you can't make a cad based kernel. 1047538;1425993651;mircea_popescu;and if you can't do that, which is the absolute bare minimum of communication, you can't do anything meaningful., 1047539;1425993682;jurov;you don't tell me what i can do and don't. i already combine charts and text for production code 1047540;1425993730;jurov;but i consider things like drakon editor a feeble attempt led by gut feeling of russina mathematicians 1047541;1425993735;jurov;*russian 1047542;1425993762;mircea_popescu;well actually, yeah, this is what i do :) my fucking thesis was on the limits of knowledge. 1047543;1425993763;jurov;and woinder if they have known what we know of retina, how would it end up 1047544;1425993779;mircea_popescu;an' i'm tellin' you, "visual" is not a complete language. 1047545;1425993805;mircea_popescu;obviously it's an adjunct. everything can be an adjunct to speech. 1047546;1425993831;dignork;jurov: afaik it was russian project where they tried to build complex software, like space c&c. 1047547;1425993837;mircea_popescu;(In linguistics, an adjunct is an optional, or structurally dispensable, part of a sentence, clause, or phrase that, if removed or discarded, will not otherwise affect the remainder of the sentence.) 1047548;1425993893;jurov;lol. you know deafies are considering whole speech as "dispensable" 1047549;1425993903;jurov;signs are teh best!!1 1047550;1425993917;mircea_popescu;signs are a reimplementation of speech. 1047551;1425993928;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "my ms dos fixedsys display is graphical" 1047552;1425993950;jurov;not for prelingval deaf, the "grammar" is purely visual 1047553;1425993951;mircea_popescu;(i didn't mean speech as in the sound thereof) 1047554;1425993970;jurov;and they hate the 1:1 attempts to translat speech into signs 1047555;1425994006;mircea_popescu;eh, while i can appreciate the theoretical beauty of this "fuck you, i'm a dragon" approach, i do not credit it any. in fact, i think it only exists because the context is of the "fuck you, dragons" nature. 1047556;1425994038;mircea_popescu;and i think the sort of idiots running around pretending "everything;'s something!11" are doing deaf people a major disfavor. 1047557;1425994148;jurov;as compared to pretending "text is everything and forever will be"? 1047558;1425994166;mircea_popescu;right. 1047559;1425994175;jurov;i have videos and podcasts as anyone, but this? 1047560;1425994179;jurov;*hate 1047561;1425994300;mircea_popescu;let's move it in a different field. you acquainted with the happenstance that iconoclastic civilisations prospered intellectually whereas iconocladic civilisations failed ? 1047562;1425994401;jurov;yes 1047563;1425994445;mircea_popescu;so do you explain it ? 1047564;1425994473;kakobrekla;just lucky i guess. 1047565;1425994505;jurov;egypt prospered thousands of yeats with *very* augmented text 1047566;1425994512;jurov;*years 1047567;1425994535;mircea_popescu;to be fair, i loved the "visual equalizer" in whatever program first played mp3s on 386s, single session. and obviously computers are for pronz. 1047568;1425994548;jurov;the original discussion was that having X*Y fixed terminal is sufficient for every intellectual endeavor 1047569;1425994577;jurov;that was what prompted me 1047570;1425994588;mircea_popescu;more like, "x*y field terminal is great for cutting out timewasters" 1047571;1425994753;jurov;i see 1047572;1425994787;mircea_popescu;it forces people to think, and it simplifies the task of rooting out thoise who haven't. exactly the opposite service of a powerpoint presentation. 1047573;1425994805;mircea_popescu;but that said, computers are still for pronz. 1047574;1425994821;adlai;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Quicksort_DRAKON.png vs http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithms/Quicksort 1047575;1425994823;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnisGd ) 1047576;1425994825;assbot;Sorting algorithms/Quicksort - Rosetta Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnitd1 ) 1047577;1425994856;mircea_popescu;adlai you're not seriously proposing innovative pagination turns text into "graphical" do you ? 1047578;1425994873;*;adlai proposes nothing, just dumps links in the logs 1047579;1425994888;mircea_popescu;lol 1047580;1425994901;mircea_popescu;particularly bad example too, quicksort is like seven lines forty words. 1047581;1425994919;adlai;i've not yet encountered something which worked better for me than text, but i'm not sold on it being the global maximum, short of sticking wires in the brain 1047582;1425994923;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it forces people to think, and it simplifies the task of rooting out thoise who haven't << why not goose quill pen, then 1047583;1425994943;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's a simple restriction on volume. 1047584;1425994945;asciilifeform;i understand the appeal of 'this is the fucking army, you will paint the snow white until your fucking beg' 1047585;1425994970;asciilifeform;but pray tell what were the 'timewasters' on a 'symbolics' box ? 1047586;1425994976;mircea_popescu;well, more like, "if you can't say it in words you've not understood it" 1047587;1425995016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i will use your own body to defeat you! how long did you spent with the box, and how much did you make in that time ? 1047588;1425995028;asciilifeform;or for that matter mathematical symbols. modern mathematics -began- when they switched from naked words to the occasional piece of graphical 'garbage' 1047589;1425995072;adlai;how about "if you can't present it in an original fashion, you've not understood it" 1047590;1425995078;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no dice. spent as little time as did with box because a good chunk of it is replicated in my modern 'emacs' - with which i've made just about everything in my adult life 1047591;1425995084;mircea_popescu;no it didn't. modern mathematics began once they gave up the "mysticism" and "unexpressible" and "obvious" visual/intuitive nonsense and started putting everything in words. 1047592;1425995088;adlai;granted, most presentations will be words 1047593;1425995121;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/var/SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v 1047594;1425995122;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQP4P9 ) 1047595;1425995160;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well then that's all i got, because i've never spent considerable enough time with one to say anything cogent. 1047596;1425995169;adlai;!s SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v 1047597;1425995170;assbot;0 results for 'SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v 1047598;1425995170;asciilifeform;now all of this probably plays into mircea_popescu's thesis, because it turns out that the main use of graphical bitmaps in a 'symbolics' box or in my emacs is to better shovel text around 1047599;1425995182;mircea_popescu;heh! 1047600;1425995184;asciilifeform;adlai: it used to be a link to my site 1047601;1425995200;asciilifeform;adlai: but the original google video was censored 1047602;1425995204;asciilifeform;so we cached it. 1047603;1425995210;mircea_popescu;wait, we do that ?! 1047604;1425995217;adlai;aha, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=932 1047605;1425995218;assbot;Loper OS » Kalman Reti, the Last Symbolics Developer, Speaks of Lisp Machines. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQPvJ8 ) 1047606;1425995223;asciilifeform;kakobrekla offered that time 1047607;1425995238;asciilifeform;because thing wasn't just some idiot talking, but a film of the machine in use 1047608;1425995254;asciilifeform;yet another example of an item for which you absolutely need a moving picture 1047609;1425995290;mircea_popescu;is it computer pronz ? 1047610;1425995299;asciilifeform;sumthinglikethat 1047611;1425995307;adlai;eh, the information in a video can be reliably conveyed through a transcript 1047612;1425995314;asciilifeform;adlai: nope. 1047613;1425995315;asciilifeform;not that one. 1047614;1425995317;asciilifeform;fucking watch it 1047615;1425995323;adlai;2 minutes left 1047616;1425995332;adlai;until then, i'm here 1047617;1425995342;*;adlai remains silent, to leave some doubt 1047618;1425995387;adlai;asciilifeform: what of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=858 ? 1047619;1425995389;assbot;Loper OS » May 2012 Update ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQQhGd ) 1047620;1425995402;asciilifeform;adlai: shelved 1047621;1425995421;adlai;that's nice, for the shelf 1047622;1425995430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54100 @ 0.0003155 = 17.0686 BTC [-] {3} 1047623;1425995436;asciilifeform;adlai: because started falling into c shitpit 1047624;1425995451;adlai;why not write it in lisp? 1047625;1425995514;asciilifeform;adlai: because c os 1047626;1425995533;asciilifeform;adlai: if i could choose just one small idea from my entire set of writings to survive, it would be that 'abstractions push up' 1047627;1425995539;asciilifeform;as well as down 1047628;1425995566;asciilifeform;the basic idea was known to the ancients as 'spoonfull of shit in a barrel of honey' 1047629;1425995573;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had an article re: same. 1047630;1425995574;adlai;in this case, the problem is that limitations push upwards 1047631;1425995600;mircea_popescu;well... chicks not having two cunts certainly has made it so we don't have two penises, amirite ? 1047632;1425995662;asciilifeform;adlai: if you're curious, i quit the emulator when i realized that even the text output absolutely trivial on a dataflow machine cannot be rendered in real time on a von neumann box (simply attach dependency graph to each rectangle of video buffer ram) 1047633;1425995678;asciilifeform;to explain this in usable detail would take a while 1047634;1425995682;asciilifeform;but perhaps the basic idea is clear 1047635;1425995693;adlai;the basic idea is an obvious limitation of von neumann 1047636;1425995705;asciilifeform;and one that breaks, in practice, the turing thesis 1047637;1425995712;asciilifeform;some things -can't- be emulated usably 1047638;1425995723;asciilifeform;(mathematically - in 'batch mode' - yes. usably in real time - no) 1047639;1425995739;asciilifeform;now wondering if mircea_popescu will suggest bringing back batch processing 1047640;1425995750;asciilifeform;because that was surely the ultimate 'derp zapper' 1047641;1425995758;mircea_popescu;lol 1047642;1425995764;asciilifeform;batch programmers typically never even saw the machine... 1047643;1425995811;mircea_popescu;well actually, under the "least bugs in code" criteria, the best programming was done 1100ad - 1700ad. 1047644;1425995824;mircea_popescu;why stop at batch mode :D 1047645;1425995830;asciilifeform;there we go. 1047646;1425995875;asciilifeform;but going back to mathematical notation for a spell - let's write, e.g., a gnarly triple integral, in plain humanlang. 1047647;1425995883;asciilifeform;what a bitch it'd be 1047648;1425995895;asciilifeform;good abstractions are not only orthogonal and well-chosen, but -compact- 1047649;1425995901;asciilifeform;brainspacewise 1047650;1425995929;mircea_popescu;trivial to write integrals in plain language, what. 1047651;1425995931;mircea_popescu;"integral" 1047652;1425995942;asciilifeform;i said triple 1047653;1425995946;asciilifeform;with varying params 1047654;1425995976;mircea_popescu;i still dunno why you think the current notation is somehow nonverbal. 1047655;1425996011;asciilifeform;it isn't nonverbal in the sense of what geometers liked to do 1047656;1425996021;asciilifeform;but used 'weird symbols' not found on my keyboard, was the point 1047657;1425996088;mircea_popescu;well that's your point, but notrly what was discussed. a simple mapping from that to "integral" and problem solved. 1047658;1425996092;mircea_popescu;a symbol is a symbol. 1047659;1425996093;asciilifeform;http://www.tutapoint.com/kcimages/TripleIntegraParaboloidPlate_.jpg << pulled out of the aether arbitrarily for folks who had too many years from school 1047660;1425996096;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQTHIT ) 1047661;1425996099;asciilifeform;to illustrate what is being spoken of 1047662;1425996101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27660 @ 0.00032652 = 9.0315 BTC [+] {2} 1047663;1425996120;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: simple mapping to the word brutally linearizes the expression 1047664;1425996129;asciilifeform;forces you to demunge it in your head 1047665;1425996153;asciilifeform;there is a reason why newton and leibniz both came up with new symbols for this example 1047666;1425996162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 500 @ 0.01588043 = 7.9402 BTC [-] {8} 1047667;1425996163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29540 @ 0.00034136 = 10.0838 BTC [+] 1047668;1425996172;mircea_popescu;"triple integral for x = 4y**2 + 4z**2 and x=4" 1047669;1425996182;asciilifeform;and what of the bounds ? 1047670;1425996190;asciilifeform;glommed on separately somewhere ? 1047671;1425996191;mircea_popescu;implicit neh ? 1047672;1425996211;asciilifeform;l0l! 1047673;1425996221;mircea_popescu;but it is! 1047674;1425996226;asciilifeform;in this problem! 1047675;1425996235;mircea_popescu;WHICH IS MY POINT :D 1047676;1425996238;asciilifeform;whatddoihavetodo, scan a schoolbook! lol 1047677;1425996249;mircea_popescu;exactly! see ? 1047678;1425996250;asciilifeform;let's suppose they weren't implicit. 1047679;1425996262;asciilifeform;easily most of real life 1047680;1425996268;mircea_popescu;the very general case where it's easier to show me than to tell me reduces to pr0n. 1047681;1425996313;mircea_popescu;(/me could have been deformed by years of insisting pets verbalize as part of their education) 1047682;1425996337;asciilifeform;or simply to the fact that straight line of alphabet yes, can unambiguously describe everything. but it takes titanic space for a large class of concepts 1047683;1425996374;asciilifeform;human languages as a class aren't even automatically unambiguous structurewise, and to hammer them into this shape results in the kind of verbiage that led people to invent 'squigglies' in the first place. 1047684;1425996393;mircea_popescu;the more important point here was if you're somehow going to leverage the visual processor to think with, rather than whether it sometimes saves representative space for the linguistic processor to conveniently symbolize. 1047685;1425996435;mircea_popescu;natural language "ambiguity" is a machine problem, not a human problem. 1047686;1425996438;asciilifeform;when you teach the pets to reassemble kalash, will it be visually (tactile!) or verbally ? 1047687;1425996441;jurov;there are cases linguistic processor may require storage of more than 7 items 1047688;1425996446;*;adlai sees a surprising parallel between processing a long string of characters and the von neumann approach to executing a linear sequence instructions referring an array of memory... 1047689;1425996451;jurov;which it the core of the problem 1047690;1425996469;mircea_popescu;adlai not coincidental either. 1047691;1425996476;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pronz! 1047692;1425996499;mircea_popescu;there's no understanding involved in mashing the bits together. i also teach cooking by example only. 1047693;1425996525;mircea_popescu;jurov 7 bits should be enough for everyone! 1047694;1425996557;asciilifeform;i think he was speaking of the 7 levels of stack thing 1047695;1425996561;jurov;yes. 1047696;1425996579;asciilifeform;i've seen it trotted out as an argument that it is impossible to program in common lisp 1047697;1425996583;jurov;and mnemonics is all about replacing the stuff eith rememberable *visual* interpretation 1047698;1425996589;asciilifeform;because one encounters sometimes more than 7 levels of nesting 1047699;1425996598;asciilifeform;which was a mega-l0l 1047700;1425996680;jurov;i'm trying to get at that... you have to convert text into some internal representation in order to store more thasn 7 items 1047701;1425996700;adlai;7 is some average (mode?) though, rather than a neurological law. 1047702;1425996702;jurov;so why it not possivble to feed these more directly to the brain? 1047703;1425996713;asciilifeform;it is. 1047704;1425996756;asciilifeform;i promised yesterday to say why i quit the ibm green phosphour terminal; this was why 1047705;1425996757;mircea_popescu;jurov you know this is nonsense. i store thousands of items. 1047706;1425996780;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: likely thinking of a different 'store' 1047707;1425996785;jurov;but not as text! 1047708;1425996795;jurov;i have seen you to mangle several names for example 1047709;1425996804;asciilifeform;the original '7' thing was re: short-term memory and juggling arbitrary symbols as strings 1047710;1425996806;adlai;http://www.gwern.net/DNB%20FAQ 1047711;1425996814;mircea_popescu;jurov nothing is error free, not even non-ecc memory. 1047712;1425996826;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, my articles are generally preformed and i just tyoe them out. 1047713;1425996836;adlai;like wagner 1047714;1425996863;mircea_popescu;most of the "mind science" is pure gunk, ftr. 1047715;1425996881;mircea_popescu;and it doesn't start with pharma, freud was closer to a fraud than anything. and all the way back. 1047716;1425996897;jurov;^ yes, that i meant by "feeble attempts" to present nontext information 1047717;1425996912;asciilifeform;'What’s the real difference between having a type signature in your short-term memory or prominently displayed in your second monitor? What’s the real difference between writing a comment in your mind or touch-typing it as fast as you create it? Just some speed. Just some time. And the more visible that type signature is, the faster you can type out that comment, the larger your ‘memory’ gets. And the larger your memor 1047718;1425996912;asciilifeform;y is, the more intelligent/productive you can be.' 1047719;1425996931;asciilifeform;^ will sign under every word of that 1047720;1425996993;mircea_popescu;minus the last sentence. 1047721;1425997003;mircea_popescu;if memory made intelligence, computers'd be pretty smart. 1047722;1425997006;asciilifeform;it's only true in the opposite 1047723;1425997016;asciilifeform;artificially clamping your memory -> stupider 1047724;1425997021;asciilifeform;like strapping weights to a runner 1047725;1425997048;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1047726;1425997050;asciilifeform;removing bricks from on top another brick, will not make the latter a faster runner... 1047727;1425997058;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1047728;1425997064;mircea_popescu;ok that's maybe your best analogy to date. 1047729;1425997082;jurov;the human memory is content addressable. computers are very poor at that 1047730;1425997214;asciilifeform;jurov: a von neumann limitation. 1047731;1425997241;asciilifeform;jurov: think about how you can't 'ask' every machine word in your ram simultaneously whether it 'equals such-and-such' 1047732;1425997249;asciilifeform;have to go through all $maxint of it and ask, ask, ask... 1047733;1425997253;asciilifeform;because idiocy 1047734;1425997266;asciilifeform;there is no physical/electrical reason why it can't worh the other way 1047735;1425997268;nubbins`;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cia-hacked-iphone-ipad-mac-security-snowden-documents-reveal-extent-privacy-invasion-1491258 1047736;1425997269;assbot;CIA hacked iPhone, iPad and Mac security – Snowden documents reveal extent of privacy invasion ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQZNZN ) 1047737;1425997271;asciilifeform;!s TWINKLE 1047738;1425997272;assbot;11 results for 'TWINKLE' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=TWINKLE 1047739;1425997281;jurov;yes, that. but it is fully parallel comparison really doable on 2D silicon? 1047740;1425997284;nubbins`;"As well as targeting the iPhone and iPad directly, the CIA also claims to have developed a poisoned version of Xcode, the software development tool used by app developers to create the apps sold through Apple's hugely successful App Store. It is unclear how the CIA managed to get developers to use the poisoned version of Xcode, but it would have allowed the CIA install backdoors into any apps created using their version." 1047741;1425997288;nubbins`;dat toolchain o.O 1047742;1425997302;asciilifeform;compiler-infection is as old as time. 1047743;1425997466;adlai;!s trusting trust 1047744;1425997467;assbot;13 results for 'trusting trust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trusting+trust 1047745;1425997552;asciilifeform;https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2015/03/10/strawhorse-attacking-macos-ios-software-development-kit << at least they cite thompson. 1047746;1425997553;assbot;Strawhorse: Attacking the MacOS and iOS Software Development Kit - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1KR1kis ) 1047747;1425997666;adlai;antecedent failure... for a moment, parsed that as [firstlook] cite thompson... but i guess they're just journalists 1047748;1425997988;asciilifeform;lol re: usg spending $maxint to extract apple symmetric key from cpu 1047749;1425997994;adlai;here's something that doesn't translate well to text: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/C-element-from-NANDs.svg 1047750;1425997996;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KR3lva ) 1047751;1425997997;asciilifeform;where are the moles? 1047752;1425998033;asciilifeform;adlai: a good chunk of the total world of engineering fits in this category 1047753;1425998054;asciilifeform;know the saying 'picture is worth 1000 words' ? it isn't a joke 1047754;1425998065;asciilifeform;and 1000 is, often, optimistic 1047755;1425998079;adlai;eh, you can describe this picture in less than 1000 1047756;1425998083;mircea_popescu;the only reason that picture is even meaningful to you is because you long ago digested its text 1047757;1425998095;adlai;on the contrary 1047758;1425998095;mircea_popescu;so now it's symbolized and you look at it and you figure hey, it's so much better than text 1047759;1425998106;adlai;the only text which i needed was the filename 1047760;1425998108;mircea_popescu;not unlike ruby programmer imagining "o wow, so much better than asm". 1047761;1425998141;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the reasons whereby ruby sucks have nothing to do with the representation 1047762;1425998168;*;adlai would've had to use trial-and-error to figure out which gate was represented, if the filename hadn't specified it 1047763;1425998169;mircea_popescu;otherwise, it translates to text quite perfectly well, and plainly : "if and only if". but this is familiar to people trained in humanities more than in cs i guess. 1047764;1425998194;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the c-gate !?! 1047765;1425998200;asciilifeform;nope. 1047766;1425998216;*;asciilifeform suggests actually understanding what adlai linked to 1047767;1425998220;*;mircea_popescu looks at gate again 1047768;1425998240;asciilifeform;i regard c-gate as among the greatest inventions in 20th c. electronics 1047769;1425998251;asciilifeform;(even though it is used virtually nowhere...) 1047770;1425998258;*;adlai is trying to actually understand what loper-os links to... 1047771;1425998265;mircea_popescu;"if not both" 1047772;1425998274;asciilifeform;it lets you have asynchronous circuits without metastability problems 1047773;1425998310;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the function of the 'extra' gates does not become clear unless you understand why extant cpus (which do not use muller's c-gate) need 'clocks' at all 1047774;1425998327;asciilifeform;they have to wait for inputs to 'settle' 1047775;1425998386;asciilifeform;because an ordinary logic gate can enter a 'metastable' wedge-state if it is given a 'pathological' input transition (i.e. you try to use the output before the inputs are stable) 1047776;1425998412;*;mircea_popescu has been spending some time looking at this circuitry, understands why it backfeeds now. 1047777;1425998419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 161 @ 0.0143529 = 2.3108 BTC [-] {7} 1047778;1425998434;mircea_popescu;i'll note you'd have had a much more reliable response had you described rather than shown :)!!! 1047779;1425998454;mircea_popescu;seeing how i'm not an electrical engineer, i'm prone to misinterpret. the boon of ignorance. 1047780;1425998474;asciilifeform;but if didn't show, only explained why, the thing would have to be re-invented to be built 1047781;1425998486;asciilifeform;not necessarily impossible - but who's to say when. 1047782;1425998487;mircea_popescu;not our concern, now is it. 1047783;1425998505;asciilifeform;my concern because life is short and i want to compute with c-gates. 1047784;1425998521;mircea_popescu;and this is why i became a theoretical physicist 1047785;1425998523;mircea_popescu;albeit briefly. 1047786;1425998542;asciilifeform;wanted to see something physzed ? 1047787;1425998563;mircea_popescu;no, simply did not give a shit. 1047788;1425998573;mircea_popescu;but anyway, this IS a pretty beautiful thing huh ? 1047789;1425998580;asciilifeform;sure is 1047790;1425998583;asciilifeform;!s c-gate 1047791;1425998584;assbot;5 results for 'c-gate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=c-gate 1047792;1425998584;mircea_popescu;it actually can't ever be metastable can it. 1047793;1425998592;asciilifeform;^ iirc we did it a bit 1047794;1425998615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not sure if this is rigorously proven, but approximately yes 1047795;1425998652;asciilifeform;but at any rate they do not end up wedged in practice (folks with $maxint have built otherwise conventional cpu without clock using c-gate, they don't wedge) 1047796;1425998660;asciilifeform;exhibits other interesting properties. 1047797;1425998665;asciilifeform;you cool it down, it speeds up 1047798;1425998671;mircea_popescu;it would 1047799;1425998673;asciilifeform;(no clock, so only propagation delays matter) 1047800;1425998679;mircea_popescu;right 1047801;1425998709;asciilifeform;but i seem to be the only one who (publicly) realized that it is the very thing for building dataflow comp. 1047802;1425998717;asciilifeform;and was in fact the missing ingredient 1047803;1425998727;mircea_popescu;i wonder if there;s a limit of how many you can plop together before you end up in some novel hell 1047804;1425998749;asciilifeform;if never metastable, then no 1047805;1425998759;asciilifeform;unless novel hell is of some higher-level mathematical variety 1047806;1425998764;asciilifeform;rather than physical effect of individual gate 1047807;1425998773;mircea_popescu;right. 1047808;1425998785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36268 @ 0.00034671 = 12.5745 BTC [+] {2} 1047809;1425998837;asciilifeform;but one can put together a few mil. of these, without any apparent daemonic possession of the machine, is what we experimentally have so far. 1047810;1425998845;asciilifeform;somebody even sells a clockless 'arm'. 1047811;1425998846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7682 @ 0.0003474 = 2.6687 BTC [+] 1047812;1425998860;asciilifeform;(that, afaik, is the limit of what anyone with actual funding has dared) 1047813;1425998890;asciilifeform;!s achronix 1047814;1425998891;assbot;0 results for 'achronix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=achronix 1047815;1425998921;asciilifeform;or hmm, maybe that wasn't it 1047816;1425998992;asciilifeform;!up stoya 1047817;1425999090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00033701 = 11.4583 BTC [-] 1047818;1425999577;asciilifeform;http://www.railslove.com/stories/my-way-into-clojure-building-a-card-game-with-om-part-1#Other_Misgivings << mega-l0l (from server logs) 1047819;1425999579;assbot;My Way into Clojure: Building a Card Game with Om - Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mq5gEq ) 1047820;1425999617;asciilifeform;'...we should start with cleaner hardware, then write a cleaner replacement for the JVM (same cross-platform capabilities!?, same performance optimisations!?), as well as all its libraries... we'd be busy at least for another decade and required backing from several large companies.' 1047821;1425999651;*;asciilifeform wrote a flame many years ago and the 'butthurt' over it never seems to abate 1047822;1425999677;asciilifeform;and there's something palpably poisonous about that page 1047823;1425999716;asciilifeform;not sure what the word for it is 1047824;1426001101;asciilifeform;incidentally, my explanation at 14:39:46 is a bit broken but i'll leave it as exercise for the reader. 1047825;1426003808;PeterL;asciilifeform:but going back to mathematical notation for a spell - let's write, e.g., a gnarly triple integral, in plain humanlang. << When writing such an integral, I use words in my head as I put down the symbols (eg. integral from 0 to 2pi integral from 0 to 1 integral from 4r^2 to 4 of xdxrdrd(theta) ) 1047826;1426004319;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 92.9005122 BTC. Current weight: 63,712. 1047827;1426004571;jurov;http://kukuruku.co/hub/diy/usb-killer?ModPagespeed=noscript asciilifeform, good addition to cardano, i guess :D 1047828;1426004574;assbot;USB Killer ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExDAMz ) 1047829;1426004650;jurov;"windows detected? zap it" 1047830;1426005073;PeterL;https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plumgeek/ringo-the-palm-size-robot-with-real-personality?ref=video this looks fun 1047831;1426005075;assbot;Ringo – The palm size robot with real personality! by Plum Geek — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1B0MlaK ) 1047832;1426005313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49314 @ 0.00032918 = 16.2332 BTC [-] 1047833;1426006418;mats;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/us/secede-republic-claims-texas-never-joined-us.html 1047834;1426006421;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1wpUaeG ) 1047835;1426007588;jurov;;;ticker 1047836;1426007589;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 296.55, Best ask: 296.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 296.75, 24 hour volume: 83665.82771177, 24 hour low: 284.39, 24 hour high: 303.96, 24 hour vwap: None 1047837;1426008851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15386 @ 0.00033681 = 5.1822 BTC [+] 1047838;1426010230;BingoBoingo;http://m.mlb.com/news/article/112007650/switch-pitcher-pat-venditte-started-young 1047839;1426010232;assbot;Switch-pitcher placed on path early by dad | MLB.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KS1d6h ) 1047840;1426010237;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve 1047841;1426010265;*;thestringpuller is excited for baseball season. Anyone else? 1047842;1426010280;HeySteve;hey. anyone gone through this yet? https://medium.com/@chrispacia/subspace-73059a1cff71 1047843;1426010281;assbot;Subspace — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1KS1qXa ) 1047844;1426010292;HeySteve;not sure how it improves over bitmessage 1047845;1426010320;*;adlai hasn't, beyond knowing that they claim to not require everybody to store everything (which bitmessage requires) 1047846;1426010446;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1047847;1426010465;thestringpuller;ascii_field is with us live from the streets 1047848;1426010479;ascii_field;'subspace' >> 'Unfortunately, downloading all messages scales very poorly. In Subspace, we use a filtering technique that allows us to mix our messages with a user-defined subset of the total message space, reducing your bandwidth consumption while preserving your privacy.' >> shitgnomism 1047849;1426010496;adlai;the catcher in the _field 1047850;1426010510;ascii_field;'let's do this thing except we'll do it without actually doing it because actually doing it is omghardm4thish4rd and weloveruby' 1047851;1426010523;*;ascii_field throws up a little just writing this 1047852;1426010584;ascii_field;in other news, apparently apple released a portable machine that not only has slower cpu clock than the typical such box 5 yrs. ago - but cannot charge and use an external peripheral at the same time! 1047853;1426010589;ascii_field;literally. there is exactly one jack 1047854;1426010614;thestringpuller;http://insidebitcoins.com/news/gavin-andresen-optimistic-about-scaling-bitcoin/30652 << Gavin is throwin out dates for axe and sword time 1047855;1426010636;thestringpuller;ascii_field and danielpbarron: generals of the pogo army 1047856;1426010716;kakobrekla;i heard the 100 dorra device you plug into it can indeed charge at same time as you use usb or whatever it is 1047857;1426010742;thestringpuller;"I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin — the next major release, which wi 1047858;1426010898;ascii_field;the turdmeisters replacing the genuine blockchain download process with an 'equivalent' one that 'omg111itfinallyscales!!11' - was inevitable 1047859;1426010934;ascii_field;this is their most beloved gambit 1047860;1426010970;ascii_field;take something that works but doesn't 'democratize' enough, or can be spun as such, and replace it with sham 'equivalent' 1047861;1426010981;kakobrekla;re adapter, but i havent really bothered reading http://www.cnet.com/products/apple-usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter/ 1047862;1426010983;assbot;Apple USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter Preview - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1KS4wdM ) 1047863;1426011225;ascii_field;http://insidebitcoins.com/news/multiple-teams-creating-bitcoin-based-prediction-markets/30429 << notice what site is missing from this article 1047864;1426011226;assbot; Multiple Teams Creating Bitcoin-based Prediction Markets | Inside Bitcoins | Bitcoin news | Price | Bitcoin Conferences ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdIwzT ) 1047865;1426011250;ascii_field;obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 1047866;1426011250;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. 1047867;1426011301;adlai;thestringpuller: you're missing the best part of the talk: "A tenth of a Bitcoin for anyone who takes the livestream and puts a pope hat on me during the stream. That would be awesome." http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/keynote-gavin-andresen/ 1047868;1426011302;assbot;keynote-gavin-andresen ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdIMPc ) 1047869;1426011384;kakobrekla;ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment. 1047870;1426011413;ascii_field;bitbet 1047871;1426011471;ascii_field;not that it 'needs' to be in there 1047872;1426011476;ascii_field;down in the sewer 1047873;1426011488;kakobrekla;bb css is not up to par. 1047874;1426011556;kakobrekla;i always sucked at that. 1047875;1426011594;ascii_field;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/us/secede-republic-claims-texas-never-joined-us.html << idiots who still imagine that a legalistic pill against usg exists. as described in mircea_popescu's 'sovereign citizens' article. 1047876;1426011597;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1wpUaeG ) 1047877;1426011620;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-stash-baffles-dutch-police/ 1047878;1426011672;adlai;"fight fire with fire" breaks down when The Law is above itself 1047879;1426011693;ascii_field;'rule of law' is fundamentally a scam 1047880;1426011694;ascii_field;always was. 1047881;1426011710;ascii_field;obligatory classic: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm 1047882;1426011712;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdJUCp ) 1047883;1426011766;ascii_field;the only thing statal (vs tribal) law ever was, is a '3 ring binder' affair to simplify peasant-herding 1047884;1426011824;ascii_field;so you (crown) don't have to personally sit and review every idiot land dispute, stray ox, etc 1047885;1426011832;ascii_field;but can delegate 1047886;1426011881;ascii_field;but the (very modern!) notion that the state would or could tie its own hands - lunacy. 1047887;1426011946;ascii_field;!s rule of law 1047888;1426011947;assbot;31 results for 'rule of law' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rule+of+law 1047889;1426012273;jurov;"since french revolution" is "very modern" ? 1047890;1426012394;jurov;and some such idea can be discerned in Roman Republic, too 1047891;1426012738;PeterL;ascii_field: there is something to be said for making it hard to change laws, if changing the law is too easy then nobody will be able to keep track of it 1047892;1426013009;kakobrekla;do you keep track of it now? 1047893;1426013032;PeterL;big changes get put in the news, usually 1047894;1426013069;kakobrekla;so thats a no 1047895;1426013089;PeterL;right, I am not saying the current system is good 1047896;1426013117;kakobrekla;so if its not good why want to change it slowly 1047897;1426013187;PeterL;well, once you get a good system, then make it change slowly 1047898;1426013229;kakobrekla;ok grandpa. 1047899;1426013256;PeterL;bleh, maybe I just have no idea what I am talking about 1047900;1426014268;BingoBoingo;http://cl.jroo.me/z3/I/a/d/e/a.baa-Love-between-dog-and-tiger.jpg 1047901;1426014269;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GCazAe ) 1047902;1426014953;thestringpuller;;;later tell danielpbarron re: hosting images, direct that inuiry to BingoBoingo 1047903;1426014954;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1047904;1426014996;ben_vulpes; in other news, apparently apple released a portable machine that not only has slower cpu clock than the typical such box 5 yrs. ago - but cannot charge and use an external peripheral at the same time! << they want you to buy a thing to make more holes 1047905;1426015106;ben_vulpes;still 1047906;1426015108;ben_vulpes;hyuuuuu 1047907;1426016742;cazalla;kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment. <<< might be the funniest thing i've read for a while 1047908;1426018795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00030968 = 4.7381 BTC [-] {3} 1047909;1426019093;BingoBoingo;!up excelor 1047910;1426019405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11688 @ 0.00030762 = 3.5955 BTC [-] 1047911;1426020625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.0003006 = 9.2284 BTC [-] {2} 1047912;1426021498;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/03/alleged-usms-auction-winner-leaves-eldritch-message/ 1047913;1426021499;assbot;Alleged USMS Auction Winner Leaves Eldritch Message | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHfdsW ) 1047914;1426021504;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/alleged-usms-auction-winner-leaves-eldritch-message/ 1047915;1426021512;cazalla;;;later tell mircea_popescu lucy, u got some 'splain' to do! 1047916;1426021512;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1047917;1426021650;cazalla;how interesting is that eh 1047918;1426021869;thestringpuller;LOL 1047919;1426021887;thestringpuller;a mircea_popescu appears 1047920;1426021920;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1047921;1426021924;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1047922;1426021925;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.75, Best ask: 295.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 295.04, 24 hour volume: 67374.24839178, 24 hour low: 287.91, 24 hour high: 303.96, 24 hour vwap: None 1047923;1426021934;mircea_popescu;wtf is this no vwap srsly. 1047924;1426021956;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1047925;1426021963;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 291.98, vol: 13364.07282246 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 289.92, vol: 14891.63951 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 294.99, vol: 67374.24839178 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 293.5286, vol: 199564.72520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 295.0, vol: 28.37516667 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 293.6175, vol: 257.91908055 | Volume-weighted last average: 293.610134295 1047926;1426021966;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1950 / 295 1047927;1426021966;gribble;6.61016949153 1047928;1426022075;mircea_popescu;davout http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-112937 btw. 1047929;1426022076;assbot;The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHiI2F ) 1047930;1426022087;mircea_popescu;and check this shit out : http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 1047931;1426022088;assbot;Various kinds of stickiness pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHiMPR ) 1047932;1426022089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00030333 = 5.0049 BTC [+] 1047933;1426022094;mircea_popescu;(real dooglus btw) 1047934;1426022096;mircea_popescu;!up dooglus 1047935;1426022114;thestringpuller;ah so mr. davout is going to conference 1047936;1426022262;mircea_popescu;$conference 1047937;1426022273;thestringpuller;that bot is down 1047938;1426022275;mircea_popescu;btw - only a few days left, hurry up in case the btc collapses. 1047939;1426022282;ben_vulpes;bit rottttt 1047940;1426022379;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform:!up stoya 1048077;1426034527;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, but if sufficiently crazy/monied/intelligent crackpot produces solid state laser pistol with more than anti vehicle firings per charge that isn't too portable they would likely consider it a purchase 1048078;1426034535;jurov;don't see how'd ban that 1048079;1426034562;jurov;laz0rs can be bannet more easily than that 1048080;1426034568;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: good physical reasons why you would not want to be standing even behind such a thing, much less holding it, when fired 1048081;1426034571;jurov;*banned 1048082;1426034610;asciilifeform;what will almost certainly be usg-banned quite soon - and banned the way chemistry as a class was, rather than as specific types of small arm were - is flying machines 1048083;1426034619;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course, but maybe it might make sense USG-ified on a boat 1048084;1426034689;asciilifeform;eventually a 'multicopter' (perhaps usg provocateur-piloted) will be used in some loud, public vandalism (graffiti of $landmark or wtf) and it'll be 'reichstag fire' 1048085;1426034779;BingoBoingo;Ah, you mean like that time Uhaul rented a truck from their yellow competitor to sully that brand 1048086;1426034812;asciilifeform;? 1048087;1426034826;BingoBoingo;The oklahoma scam 1048088;1426034833;asciilifeform;aha lol 1048089;1426034889;BingoBoingo;At one point in Civ II I edited the files to add the yellow truck as a unit type 1048090;1426034900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25476 @ 0.00032741 = 8.3411 BTC [+] {2} 1048091;1426034981;asciilifeform;incidentally, to continue an earlier thread with mircea_popescu et al re: 'jungle bullet' - has anyone ever attempted to militarize the old familiar 'hydrogen cannon' ? 1048092;1426035027;asciilifeform;where the propellant is H and O produced via electrolysis for each shot 1048093;1426035074;asciilifeform;(and ignited, of course, via electrical spark) 1048094;1426035081;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:45mm_CLGG_figure_1.jpg ??? 1048095;1426035083;assbot;File:45mm CLGG figure 1.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5lt0g ) 1048096;1426035099;asciilifeform;not quite 1048097;1426035123;asciilifeform;'light gas gun' is its own animal, where a gas where speed of sound is faster than in air is used as a 'piston' 1048098;1426035137;BingoBoingo;Ah 1048099;1426035145;asciilifeform;typically used in experimental physics, rather than war, because it is rather fussy 1048100;1426035171;asciilifeform;hmm seems like linked item does use for propellant as well.. 1048101;1426035210;BingoBoingo;It does, just combusted 1048102;1426035236;BingoBoingo;next step from that is "scram cannon" 1048103;1426035258;asciilifeform;at any rate this is a golden toilet 1048104;1426035273;asciilifeform;but there is no particular reason why the principle cannot be applied to a man-portable small arm 1048105;1426035369;BingoBoingo;tooling in the big challenge it seems. requires a finer grit than bastard file offers 1048106;1426035384;asciilifeform;why? 1048107;1426035399;asciilifeform;fundamentally less precision metalwork needed here 1048108;1426035433;asciilifeform;and with correctly-shaped projectile, smooth barrel would suffice 1048109;1426035463;asciilifeform;potentially bullet itself could even be molded during the process of firing 1048110;1426035485;asciilifeform;(explosion-forming of vaguely correct quantity of $material) 1048111;1426035510;BingoBoingo;These still require something of a piston system though? 1048112;1426035516;asciilifeform;the gas is the piston 1048113;1426035534;BingoBoingo;Interesting 1048114;1426035582;jurov;get a pipe, seal one one side but connect it to electrolyzer, jam bullet into other side, 1048115;1426035591;asciilifeform;jurov: that's the basic idea, yes 1048116;1426035610;jurov;geerate gases, fire...oh need spark plug, too 1048117;1426035640;BingoBoingo;AH, space musket 1048118;1426035643;asciilifeform;need to have some notion of stoichiometry and strength of materials to avoid creating self-grenade instead of musket 1048119;1426035665;asciilifeform;but again this is an ancient idea, not mine. 1048120;1426035696;asciilifeform;it is interesting to remember that, at a certain velocity, it no longer really matters what a bullet is made of 1048121;1426035705;asciilifeform;one could literally pierce a tank with a compressed turd 1048122;1426035720;asciilifeform;-if- it could be made to travel fast enough. 1048123;1426035752;asciilifeform;(think about micrometeorites, etc. and occasionally there is a cosmic ray travelling with the energy of a well-thrown baseball.) 1048124;1426035824;BingoBoingo;But a better throw baseball isn't always a faster baseball. 1048125;1426035844;BingoBoingo;(baseballs have effective target zone too) 1048126;1426035848;jurov;lol.. someday maybe we learn how to generate cosmic rays with scotch tape 1048127;1426035926;BingoBoingo;lol 1048128;1426036288;BingoBoingo;further lol https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=b0bc65729070b9cbdbb53ff042984a3c545a0e34 1048129;1426036290;assbot;kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeBCub ) 1048130;1426036395;cazalla;for any baldur's gate lovers.. pillars of eternity out in a few weeks, looks interesting http://youtu.be/roK1wzOLT-k?t=15m16s 1048131;1426036397;assbot;Pillars of Eternity Gameplay 03/07/15 Pax East - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeBN8M ) 1048132;1426036547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21637 @ 0.0003348 = 7.2441 BTC [+] 1048133;1426036669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20402 @ 0.00033535 = 6.8418 BTC [+] {2} 1048134;1426037340;asciilifeform;'If however, anyone feels personally abused, threatened, or otherwise uncomfortable due to this process, that is not acceptable. If so, please contact the Linux Foundation's Technical Advisory Board at...' << linus begins to totter ?!!? 1048135;1426037396;asciilifeform;obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998178 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998185 1048136;1426037396;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 05:49:56; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ? << that's not the point. in a normal society, the threat is a fundamental tool to hierarchy building. 1048137;1426037396;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums. 1048138;1426037418;BingoBoingo;It might be the case linus wavers 1048139;1426037434;BingoBoingo;Related lols http://developers.slashdot.org/story/15/03/10/2149256/on-firing-open-source-community-members 1048140;1426037436;assbot;On Firing Open Source Community Members - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeDnrl ) 1048141;1426037795;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/chaos-practice-and-applications.html << mega-l0l 1048142;1426037796;assbot;ClubOrlov: Chaos: Practice and Applications ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeDWBe ) 1048143;1426037842;asciilifeform;^ worth reading mainly for the slipping car anecdote 1048144;1426037950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.0003333 = 8.4325 BTC [-] {2} 1048145;1426038814;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047818 << actually this is a remarkably good piece on the textual merits. 1048146;1426038814;assbot;Logged on 10-03-2015 14:59:37; asciilifeform: http://www.railslove.com/stories/my-way-into-clojure-building-a-card-game-with-om-part-1#Other_Misgivings << mega-l0l (from server logs) 1048147;1426038887;mircea_popescu;jurov kukuruku is a great name. used to be this shitty wafer when i was a kid, most ridiculous advertisements. 1048148;1426038927;asciilifeform;кукареку 1048149;1426039017;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i still fucking hate that piece. the sheer mendacity of rich hickey in saying 'simplicity matters' while crapping all over lisp concept 1048150;1426039028;asciilifeform;fucker knows what he's doing. not ignorant. 1048151;1426039092;asciilifeform;see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-3383 . 1048152;1426039093;assbot;Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1Do4lkZ ) 1048153;1426039127;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but formally, as far as writing is concerned, as far as the art of blogging is concerned, it's a good piece. 1048154;1426039135;mircea_popescu;i can't be arsed to wade into the merits. 1048155;1426039161;asciilifeform;i suppose it is 'good' in the sense in which the products of herr goebbels were. 1048156;1426039193;mircea_popescu;right. 1048157;1426039206;mircea_popescu;which they definitely were. the russians copied liberally but never equalled 1048158;1426039213;asciilifeform;whole world copied. 1048159;1426039222;mircea_popescu;that's more recent 1048160;1426039231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16572 @ 0.0003429 = 5.6825 BTC [+] {2} 1048161;1426039303;BingoBoingo;I mean the Germans did win the propaganda war. 1048162;1426039353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55200 @ 0.00032968 = 18.1983 BTC [-] {2} 1048163;1426039399;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gavinandresen http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047857 << check it out, the shithead lies about imaginary consensus in december, then "is working" on building the consensus he lied about having, in march. get lost, fucksticks. your gig is up. 1048164;1426039399;assbot;Logged on 10-03-2015 18:05:42; thestringpuller: "I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin — the 1048165;1426039400;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1048166;1426039476;mircea_popescu;"i'm going to pretend like if i find five people that can be bribed, scared or fooled then that's all that was needed to begin with. just, the usg is so ridiculous, toothless and impotent I CANT EVEN SAY WHO THE FUCK THE FIVE WILL BE. hopefully we even find five idiots, or else... whatever, three's enough. one's me, one's me dressed as satoshi, one's me in my wife's panties. win!" 1048167;1426039503;BingoBoingo;!b 1 1048168;1426039503;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3VFJHE9.txt ) 1048169;1426039511;mod6;lol 1048170;1426039530;asciilifeform;usg assets don't surrender, they keep doing their thing until the stool is kicked and the rope goes taught. or how did it go. 1048171;1426039559;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047858 << that part was inevitable. what was evitable, and usually is avoided, but couldn't be and consequently wasn't here is - the whole thing critically failing and in the process exposing them, their methods and the whole farm to public ridicule. 1048172;1426039559;assbot;Logged on 10-03-2015 18:08:18; ascii_field: the turdmeisters replacing the genuine blockchain download process with an 'equivalent' one that 'omg111itfinallyscales!!11' - was inevitable 1048173;1426039577;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the expression is, lolcow. 1048174;1426039594;mircea_popescu;an internet retard who simply can not stop providing the lolz. 1048175;1426039608;mircea_popescu;so people just milk it and milk it and milk it. 1048176;1426039616;asciilifeform;but they did replace it (with the headers-only crap) and even a buncha morons are running the thing 1048177;1426039629;mircea_popescu;a buncha morons are running ripple, what's your point ? 1048178;1426039639;mircea_popescu;a buncha morons actually believe the song and dance about "ethereum investment" 1048179;1426039647;mircea_popescu;a buncha morons were all over "neo bee revolution" last spring. 1048180;1426039663;mircea_popescu;now if only morons mattered. 1048181;1426039666;asciilifeform;point isn't that gavin&co are 'winning', but that the absence of said winning is not driven home to them 1048182;1426039673;mircea_popescu;yeah, right. 1048183;1426039693;mircea_popescu;which is why he's "building consensus", and which is why he's carefully waiting for my lunch breaks. because it's not driven home. 1048184;1426039695;asciilifeform;they're still alive, well-fed, and polluting the sky 1048185;1426039701;mircea_popescu;it's home alright. he sleeps with it in bed. 1048186;1426039709;mircea_popescu;everyone's well fed, including the bums. 1048187;1426039717;mircea_popescu;notacriteria.jpg 1048188;1426039759;mircea_popescu;now if ben_vulpes an' mod6 get this show off the ground, it'll be reheheheally fascinating in short order. 1048189;1426039796;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047863 << the only one that solved the problem the usg backed "teams" are "working towards" i would presume without reading. 1048190;1426039796;assbot;Logged on 10-03-2015 18:13:45; ascii_field: http://insidebitcoins.com/news/multiple-teams-creating-bitcoin-based-prediction-markets/30429 << notice what site is missing from this article 1048191;1426039809;mircea_popescu;it's ok, they've been doing this for years nao. 1048192;1426039824;asciilifeform;'parallel world where none of it happened' (tm) 1048193;1426039834;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047869 << no one knows kakobrekla s dry wit like i do hehehe 1048194;1426039834;assbot;Logged on 10-03-2015 18:16:24; kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment. 1048195;1426039902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30423 @ 0.00032353 = 9.8428 BTC [-] 1048196;1426039948;mircea_popescu;anyway. so teh usg-vc-turdatron is "building prediction markets" and usgavin is "building consensus" among the "core developers" of a meanwhile obsoleted branch of bitcoin core. 1048197;1426039963;mircea_popescu;welcome to late 2012 early 2013, i imagine a btc/usd run-up is coming ? 1048198;1426039996;asciilifeform;we still need a goxoinbase ehem. 1048199;1426040025;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1048200;1426040032;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 291.28, vol: 12500.04342666 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 288.504, vol: 15536.49063 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 293.98, vol: 65572.1613873 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 292.227045, vol: 223377.47330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 289.0, vol: 29.73914519 | Volume-weighted last average: 292.369523406 1048201;1426040041;BingoBoingo;^ mircea_popescu Looks likely 1048202;1426040045;mircea_popescu;heh. 1048203;1426040105;BingoBoingo;most stagnant low in years + recent large scam deaths === bull run impending 1048204;1426040135;asciilifeform;'2015-03-10 20:02:29One or More Panels Have Entered Into a Pick And Place Machine' 1048205;1426040146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23566 @ 0.00031952 = 7.5298 BTC [-] 1048206;1426040148;mircea_popescu;the 200ish wallow is reminiscent (to me) of the $2 wallow 1048207;1426040150;mircea_popescu;was a great fun time. 1048208;1426040175;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048025 << wait wut ?! 1048209;1426040175;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 00:12:42; cazalla: TIL danielpbarron is mircea_popescu 1048210;1426040207;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048036 << don't go there. marihuana is coming legal. 1048211;1426040207;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 00:25:57; asciilifeform: when has usg legalized anything formerly forbidden ? 1048212;1426040239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they'd have to backpedal on 50 yrs. of forced treaties with most of the planet 1048213;1426040247;asciilifeform;for full-bore legal 1048214;1426040268;mircea_popescu;it's now going into senate. most states are going off the ganja bust. 1048215;1426040276;asciilifeform;rather than idiot contradictory crap like the netherlands 1048216;1426040294;asciilifeform;(where use is legal but production & shipment is prosecuted) 1048217;1426040334;mircea_popescu;no current western state is capable of noncontradictory, meaningful legislation 1048218;1426040339;asciilifeform;wasn't speaking, note, of whether usians will smoke weed mostly without harassment (they already have for years) - but of whether fed usg specifically will let go of the bludgeon 1048219;1426040340;mircea_popescu;strictly because of their sovereignity problem 1048220;1426040370;danielpbarron;wait wut ?! << https://twitter.com/ofnumbers/status/575445435441000448 1048221;1426040371;assbot;/hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash core 0.10 was released feb 16 & is now 2nd largest "user agent" (node) on network. https://t.co/MUpvRFk2pP http://t.co/tUExE2e8gF 1048222;1426040371;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> now if ben_vulpes an' mod6 get this show off the ground, it'll be reheheheally fascinating in short order. << just wrapping up the regression of the static binary: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ny9m6Q3R and after this, we just need to bundle up this thing and sign patches & tar ball. gettin close! 1048223;1426040372;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeHR0U ) 1048224;1426040402;mircea_popescu;mod6 sweet. 1048225;1426040439;danielpbarron;and because assbot and twitter don't get along: "@danielpbarron you are Mircea Popsecu. creator of #bitcoin-asssets, kicked of twitter for violating TOS due to threat on @aantonop" 1048226;1426040439;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048052 << i knew a chick who kept arbalest. 1048227;1426040439;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 00:34:58; asciilifeform: my understanding is that in usa, war machines that do not use pyrotechnic effects are not considered 'arms' and are not regulated at the national level 1048228;1426040450;mircea_popescu;nasty thing, too. could definitely cut down a small amr.y 1048229;1426040470;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron lol mircea popsicle. 1048230;1426040485;mircea_popescu;anyway, kakobrekla created bitcoin-assets. 1048231;1426040492;asciilifeform;laugh or not, bolt will go straight through 'kevlar', 'spektra', etc. anything without solid plates. 1048232;1426040505;mircea_popescu;yup. 1048233;1426040522;mircea_popescu;not fast enough for rayon to do anything. powerfdul enough to cut through leather, wood etc 1048234;1426040526;asciilifeform;cuts the fibers individually (they are designed to contain blunt impact, just as silk - the first ballistic vest material - did) 1048235;1426040545;asciilifeform;archduke ferdinand, famously, wore one ^ 1048236;1426040549;asciilifeform;silk vest, that is 1048237;1426040552;asciilifeform;not arbalest 1048238;1426040559;BingoBoingo;Ah, cazalla's pice looms just under the threshold for srs reddit xposture https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ylqkl/alleged_usms_auction_winner_leaves_eldritch/ 1048239;1426040561;assbot;Alleged USMS Auction Winner Leaves Eldritch Message : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeI848 ) 1048240;1426040598;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: As did Doc Holliday and other Western gunfighters who lived more than a few weeks into their careers 1048241;1426040671;mircea_popescu;i thought holliday just had tb. 1048242;1426040678;mircea_popescu;he also had sv ?! 1048243;1426040695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00031846 = 17.1968 BTC [-] {2} 1048244;1426040699;BingoBoingo;I could have sworn he had one 1048245;1426040706;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048076 << fwik it's the crankers strength that limits it, not the materials. 1048246;1426040706;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 00:42:04; jurov: carbon nanotubes can provide 10 times greater force than steel... that would make for quite an arbalest :> 1048247;1426040717;BingoBoingo;holliday had tb, twas what sent him to the dry west 1048248;1426040723;mircea_popescu;bows are closer, but even there... 1048249;1426040754;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: materials. strength can be levered (literally) by gearing 1048250;1426040763;asciilifeform;but speed of bolt will not exceed speed of sound in the spring 1048251;1426040767;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit 1048252;1426040781;mircea_popescu;but levering by gearing slows down the operation. 1048253;1426040786;asciilifeform;sure. 1048254;1426040791;mircea_popescu;well it's a problem. 1048255;1426040795;asciilifeform;still generally faster than musketry. 1048256;1426040811;mircea_popescu;IF you don't leverage the strength to the point where it isn't :L) 1048257;1426040812;BingoBoingo;Wind the gears mechanically 1048258;1426040818;mircea_popescu;that point is way below what steel can carry. 1048259;1426040860;mircea_popescu;bows are almost limited by materials, but not really, still mostly the archer. crossbows however, it's all the shooter. 1048260;1426040875;asciilifeform;at any rate, in the age of the arbalest the beryllium-copper spring did not exist. wood was the spring. 1048261;1426040882;asciilifeform;and was, iirc, pushed to more or less the limit 1048262;1426040930;mircea_popescu;nah, steel was still the spring./ 1048263;1426040951;mircea_popescu;steel was used for the x part in the xbow before it was abundant enough to go into swords. 1048264;1426041031;BingoBoingo;Well, since the 1800's Krupp has done a lot to improve steel strengths and specializations... 1048265;1426041058;asciilifeform;http://margo.student.utwente.nl/sagi/artikel/steelbow/steel2.html 1048266;1426041058;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeIOqc ) 1048267;1426041104;asciilifeform;http://www.atarn.org/letters/ltr_dec04.htm << forensic archaeology, built, tested 1048268;1426041105;assbot;Letter: December 2004 ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeITdp ) 1048269;1426041244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00034304 = 8.0614 BTC [+] 1048270;1426041465;BingoBoingo;I'll just throw out again that less-wrong's propaganda Harry Potter dicided to solve the Voldemort thing by decapitating everyone with carbon nanofiber tightened by magic. 1048271;1426041549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00034304 = 15.0766 BTC [+] 1048272;1426041595;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048128 << i don't understand this open ended "we will work toi resolve your problems" approach. 1048273;1426041595;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 01:11:28; BingoBoingo: further lol https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=b0bc65729070b9cbdbb53ff042984a3c545a0e34 1048274;1426041610;mircea_popescu;the only thing it does is it encourages "problems" being dreamed up by people who otherwise aren't worth the time of day. 1048275;1426041636;mircea_popescu;if you don't know how to apply pressure, don't have an avenue to voice your concerns, that means that your concerns aren't worth shit. go die or whatever it is losers do. 1048276;1426041639;BingoBoingo;Maybe Linus's ace in the whole just might be counting "STFU" as a resolution, but my hope for that is dim 1048277;1426041648;asciilifeform;linus totters. 1048278;1426041652;asciilifeform;eventually - falls. 1048279;1426041667;mircea_popescu;everything fails eventually. guy's been doing it for what, 20 years ? 1048280;1426041691;mircea_popescu;i don't personally expect anything further from linux. in this sense, he's retired already. 1048281;1426041696;asciilifeform;'single point of failure' and enemy knows it. 1048282;1426041740;mircea_popescu;single point of failure of a meanwhile obsolete position, but hey. enemy loves to pat himself on the back over having "Conquered" the strongpoints of yesteryear, meanwhile abandoned. 1048283;1426041803;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: You want a press credential, yes? 1048284;1426041814;BingoBoingo;;;google ULC press credential 1048285;1426041815;gribble;Press Pass & Parking Placard | Universal Life Church Monastery: ; Wallet Sized Press Pass - Universal Life Church: ; Legal ID & Badges - Universal Life Church Store: 1048286;1426041823;BingoBoingo;It's what I use 1048287;1426041831;thestringpuller;I iz /w da dly qnt 1048288;1426041843;mircea_popescu;lol get a hat. 1048289;1426041900;mircea_popescu;oh, in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b126231cb86d89ecba1190317bd07302/tumblr_nirxk3XOsI1tcuxu9o1_500.jpg 1048290;1426041900;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeJZ95 ) 1048291;1426041931;BingoBoingo;I wonder if this is the late Andreas of the house of derp http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-16766 1048292;1426041933;assbot;Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeK5xw ) 1048293;1426041965;mircea_popescu;lmao 1048294;1426042271;asciilifeform;point re: herr torvalds was, that a healthy culture doesn't consist of a corral of helpless pets and one wizard waving iron staff standing on a bridge doing the 'thou shall not pass' thing 1048295;1426042312;cazalla; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048025 << wait wut ?! <<< reference to some guy you might know and have written about before named tim swanson who thought danielpbarron was you, occurred on twitter 1048296;1426042312;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 00:12:42; cazalla: TIL danielpbarron is mircea_popescu 1048297;1426042343;cazalla;ah nevermind, in the logs.. 1048298;1426042494;danielpbarron;stoya was here ?! << is this the stoya you were thinking of? -> https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/575129423097147392 1048299;1426042495;assbot;Do I know anyone who knows a bitcoin expert? 1048300;1426043210;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wtf is the point of the faux 'press' card ? 1048301;1426043264;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's issued by a (actual) church publication. What n00b would deny it? 1048302;1426043295;*;asciilifeform at one point had an entirely genuine card from $censored_media_conglomerate and never found any good 'social engineering' use for it 1048303;1426043358;*;asciilifeform was not involved in broadcast chumpatronics in any way, even remotely, but ended up having paycheques issued by one such thing by sheer accident 1048304;1426043362;BingoBoingo;There's always opportunities 1048305;1426043429;asciilifeform;where, exactly, does one get in by virtue of having such a thing, that you would wish to go ? 1048306;1426043504;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In plaintext best to attribute things to the imagination. Various other credentials that legitimate religious organization offers work well for prisons, nursing homes, other institutions.... 1048307;1426043580;asciilifeform;any idiot can print a card. 1048308;1426043583;asciilifeform;not wunderwaffen. 1048309;1426043625;asciilifeform;incidentally, dye-sub card printers are plentiful on 'ebay' and the like. 1048310;1426043681;BingoBoingo;Sure any idiot can print a card, but special is the third pary that will keep a record of having issued such a card and affording it officialdom. 1048311;1426043704;asciilifeform;creating such an 'organization' is basic spamatronics-101. 1048312;1426043733;asciilifeform;using the same 'church' as 100,000 other would-be spamatronicists - fail. 1048313;1426043787;asciilifeform;incidentally, if you want a mailing address inside an actual, historically-mapped church - it is trivial to arrange. 1048314;1426043806;asciilifeform;many such properties in u.s. cities are hard up for cash and will rent as much as half the premises to random folks 1048315;1426043822;BingoBoingo;Of course 1048316;1426043839;asciilifeform;i was briefly a member of a kind of electronics club that met in a huge old church 1048317;1426043853;asciilifeform;complete with massive circa-1920s boilers that didn't work 1048318;1426043957;BingoBoingo;In USia there is a golden middle of Churches, generally for resource use you want an installation which is part of a larger mainline organization which happens to be helmed by a person favorable to yourself. 1048319;1426044016;asciilifeform;caveat is that the ancient truce whereby usg would not openly fuck with a church - no longer really holds 1048320;1426044021;BingoBoingo;Anything too new or independent tends to attract investigations for any number of reasons. 1048321;1426044275;BingoBoingo;One good indicator though is people of the cloth who go for this sort of chumpatron are too be avoided http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/9000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg 1048322;1426044278;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wX8yLO ) 1048323;1426044294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27203 @ 0.00034153 = 9.2906 BTC [-] {2} 1048324;1426044303;asciilifeform;'citadel' ? 1048325;1426044320;asciilifeform;or wtf is that honeypot 1048326;1426044322;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1048327;1426044337;BingoBoingo;The prefab end times bunker honeypot 1048328;1426044396;asciilifeform;lol re: footprint of 'grow room' garden pots 1048329;1426044399;asciilifeform;vs. bed count 1048330;1426044415;asciilifeform;one inevitably concludes that it grows only ganja for the occupants 1048331;1426044416;BingoBoingo;Although in that example with their allocation of floor space I like how they in a historically justified manner unspokenly conceed the "dental Room" to all manner of surgery 1048332;1426044422;BingoBoingo;lol 1048333;1426044539;BingoBoingo;2/3rd the square footage adds shooting range and "quarantine" room http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg 1048334;1426044542;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeNKeA ) 1048335;1426044640;mircea_popescu;cazalla oh lol. 1048336;1426044649;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mega-idiocy 1048337;1426044673;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It really is. 1048338;1426044677;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yes, actually! 1048339;1426044679;mircea_popescu;!s stoya 1048340;1426044680;assbot;32 results for 'stoya' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stoya 1048341;1426044697;mircea_popescu;hey, tell her i'm a fan, see if she'll do http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ 1048342;1426044698;assbot;I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnVtLn ) 1048343;1426044706;mircea_popescu;she can have dbl bitcents because she's famous. 1048344;1426044819;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Especially lulzy since the already built nike garages go for ~$75k where one would need only hang drywall 1048345;1426044825;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron and actually, since im in a great mood : you get 100 bucks worth of bitcoin bet on any bitbet of your choice, lemme know what you want. 1048346;1426044845;mircea_popescu;dude got some pretty slick moves with da ladies i'll tell you that. 1048347;1426044863;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i have no idea who the chumpatronicists in question are, or what they charge, but the drawings show that none of it has any relation to physical reality 1048348;1426044921;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You've watch computer engineering long enough to know reality doesn't sell. Charging+Input port sells. Reflective screens sell. Actual reality doesn't sell. 1048349;1426045016;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there's ordinary chumpatronics, where someone at least showed a bit of effort, and there's utter rubbish that falls apart after thinking about it for ten seconds if you've half a clue 1048350;1426045026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49043 @ 0.00034462 = 16.9012 BTC [+] {3} 1048351;1426045118;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I've actually though that kindest thing to do for customers in this market would be standard grain silo pointing down (jsut like missile silo) full of rye. At least can trip balls or have mash to distil before doom 1048352;1426045152;asciilifeform;the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape. 1048353;1426045163;BingoBoingo;Then again the last really big LSD production bust in the US if I recall correctly was an Atlas-F silo used pretty much this way 1048354;1426045164;asciilifeform;(taken as an approximate thing) 1048355;1426045184;BingoBoingo; the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape. << Yeah, seems at least as much as cost of escape. 1048356;1426045204;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1048357;1426045224;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo speaking of which, have passport yet ? 1048358;1426045236;Vexual;ive got a nice new inkjet 1048359;1426045243;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm still on the wade through mud plan. 1048360;1426045270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20633 @ 0.00032916 = 6.7916 BTC [-] 1048361;1426045286;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you start now, could make it to next year's. 1048362;1426045324;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If I did foot the whole way still ~3-4 months late, not counting the antihills of the Darien 1048363;1426045357;asciilifeform;sail might be faster. 1048364;1426045443;BingoBoingo;It would, but requires sinking more costs on expendables. Considering indirect air travel. 1048365;1426045481;Vexual;arent u on a river? 1048366;1426045496;mircea_popescu; the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape. << if you think about it, this is necessarily so. 1048367;1426045562;asciilifeform;necessarily? 1048368;1426045605;BingoBoingo;Vexual: A river is near. One navigable by small craft... Maybe... 1048369;1426045636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00031464 = 18.4222 BTC [-] {3} 1048370;1426045643;mircea_popescu;well yes. prices are not unlike communicating vessels. 1048371;1426045659;mircea_popescu;substantially the same thing wil lcost substyantially the same in a free market. and this is one. 1048372;1426045672;asciilifeform;i get that it's a price signal 1048373;1426045682;asciilifeform;but sorta failing to grasp precisely which. 1048374;1426045689;asciilifeform;death bunker is not substantially the same thing as escape 1048375;1426045707;asciilifeform;except in the 'fuck you i'm a dragon' (tm) sense, i suppose 1048376;1426045760;mircea_popescu;right. 1048377;1426045766;mircea_popescu;"solution to problem X" 1048378;1426045766;BingoBoingo;Does anything else matter? 1048379;1426045773;BingoBoingo;!b 5 1048380;1426045774;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/27SK2XV.txt ) 1048381;1426045926;*;asciilifeform invites aficionados of the subject to study what bunkers that were built by folks who weren't strangers to arithmetic looked like, what was inside, how long expected to function, under what kind of pushback, etc. 1048382;1426045941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00030937 = 8.1519 BTC [-] {3} 1048383;1426046024;asciilifeform;my mind is still reeling that anyone, anywhere, might have swallowed the '3000 sq. ft for two dozen people', 'grow room' the size of bedroom, idiot hollywood 'motorcycle garage' and 'gun vault', etc. 1048384;1426046071;asciilifeform;instead of taking twenty seconds to find well-documented fortifications built in recent history, as many photos, drawings as could ever wish 1048385;1426046085;*;BingoBoingo imagines better layout than popular belief one is modest wood frame farmhouse with "bunker" portion used as underground farm/garage 1048386;1426046130;asciilifeform;the concept of clandestine 'farm' with electric lights is a sufficiently familiar one that folks ought to be able to take a napkin calculation and say 1048387;1426046142;asciilifeform;what kind of energy is required, for how much biomass 1048388;1426046152;asciilifeform;and how much, e.g., diesel this translates into 1048389;1426046162;asciilifeform;and what the mtbf of your turbine is 1048390;1426046170;asciilifeform;and how much exhaust 1048391;1426046208;BingoBoingo;Granted this is all easier if you conceed to having an RTG or twenty somewhere on the property. 1048392;1426046221;asciilifeform;a large rtg is about 1kW. 1048393;1426046233;asciilifeform;sell the Pu, buy a cuba. 1048394;1426046248;asciilifeform;from just one. 1048395;1426046303;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Most of Iowa is set upon a radio material goldmine, atm it is ust more economical to get food from the topsoil 1048396;1426046375;Vexual;if you're digging deep, why not go to the hot rocks and steam power? 1048397;1426046394;Vexual;then you can recycle water 1048398;1426046418;asciilifeform;Vexual: unless you're in particularly favourable geography (e.g. iceland) - the cost is roughly equal to orbit 1048399;1426046474;asciilifeform;at any rate, basic formula that ought to put things in picture: take the mtbf of each life-critical piece of mechanism in your bunker 1048400;1426046477;asciilifeform;find the smallest number 1048401;1426046482;asciilifeform;this is now your life expectancy. 1048402;1426046492;asciilifeform;(or rather, upper bound thereof) 1048403;1426046664;BingoBoingo;Still, escape is more reliable for the same reason this "security" talking head is wrong https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/in-partial-defense-of-the-seahawks-play-calling/ 1048404;1426046666;assbot;In Partial Defense of the Seahawks’ Play Calling ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrOR2h ) 1048405;1426046767;BingoBoingo;If you have a chance to resolve your deficit swiftly versus waiting for a problem to happen, doing the former offers leverage while doing the latter lets fucking New England win the superbowl. 1048406;1426046917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24052 @ 0.00032067 = 7.7128 BTC [+] 1048407;1426047174;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1048408;1426047632;Vexual;well considering shafts and orbits, cruising in a sub is possibly the best of both worlds if money isn't an option 1048409;1426047772;Vexual;just don't buy an aussie one, loud and slow 1048410;1426047826;Vexual;youll want slow and low, with fast as an option 1048411;1426048076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83998 @ 0.00031216 = 26.2208 BTC [-] {2} 1048412;1426048134;cazalla;http://dpaste.com/37G7E5D 1048413;1426048135;assbot;dpaste: 37G7E5D ... ( http://bit.ly/1wsdAj7 ) 1048414;1426048139;cazalla;ah wrong window 1048415;1426048251;Vexual;are you doxxing somes or does qntra do fantail wrappers now? coz i think i know this 1048416;1426048381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00030739 = 5.656 BTC [-] 1048417;1426048469;cazalla;Vexual, attempting to dox mysterious winner of usms auction or at least someone connected to it 1048418;1426048524;Vexual;sounds like some good investigative journalism, when did they get the money to afford such a bid tho? 1048419;1426048597;cazalla;perhaps this person simply handle the coins on behalf of another and did not buy himself, i dunno, wild goose chase tbh 1048420;1426048629;Vexual;yes, or its not in chronological order 1048421;1426048952;Vexual;his dead uncle perhaps? 1048422;1426049025;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1048423;1426049113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00030585 = 12.8763 BTC [-] {2} 1048424;1426049537;Vexual;why not call the sherrif, stephen colbert wallpaer is either a derranged fag or a troll 1048425;1426049710;Vexual;youll need a secretarty that sounds like shes ovulating, and a jeb bush voice 1048426;1426049924;Vexual;its not funny really, the coins were stolen under duress, but you know 1048427;1426050002;Vexual;thats the nature of theft 1048428;1426050035;cazalla;OK, i know who the supposed winner of the 27k is 1048429;1426050059;Vexual;dang that was quick 1048430;1426050066;cazalla;couple of hours 1048431;1426050083;Vexual;is it a scoop? 1048432;1426050136;BingoBoingo;Not sure. 1048433;1426050164;Vexual;print it! 1048434;1426050964;mircea_popescu;and in cruise news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/af28fd470c15c3d37e51b16f5faf86a3/tumblr_n9ywquMmEX1sonex9o1_1280.jpg 1048435;1426050965;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EauuTi ) 1048436;1426050991;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Situation in this case is being handled politely 1048437;1426051013;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Is that Kimbo Slice? 1048438;1426051078;mircea_popescu;kimdo dought it. 1048439;1426051135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re the entire "shitgnome doesn't give up", you ever read http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#footnote_1_46308 ? 1048440;1426051135;assbot;Various kinds of stickiness pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EauKBX ) 1048441;1426051145;mircea_popescu;it's really innate nationalistic behaviour, i suspek 1048442;1426051553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00030325 = 9.4008 BTC [-] {2} 1048443;1426052041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22852 @ 0.00031299 = 7.1524 BTC [+] {2} 1048444;1426052590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11798 @ 0.00032384 = 3.8207 BTC [+] 1048445;1426052895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15102 @ 0.00030743 = 4.6428 BTC [-] 1048446;1426053200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11398 @ 0.00032351 = 3.6874 BTC [+] 1048447;1426054054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46283 @ 0.00029797 = 13.7909 BTC [-] {3} 1048448;1426054153;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> (or rather, upper bound thereof) << your house doesn't collapse the moment a tile hanger in the bathroom falls off, but still, 1048449;1426054157;mircea_popescu;a reasonable engineering approach 1048450;1426054210;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Been a while since you've seen an American built house... 1048451;1426054220;mircea_popescu;a decade or so. 1048452;1426054243;mircea_popescu; sounds like some good investigative journalism << very much this cazalla 1048453;1426054257;BingoBoingo;Near the end of the last boom, they were building them to about the lifespan of American cars. 1048454;1426054269;BingoBoingo;cazalla's been doing fucking work. 1048455;1426054348;mircea_popescu;!paycoin 1048456;1426054353;mircea_popescu;!s paycoin 1048457;1426054354;assbot;35 results for 'paycoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=paycoin 1048458;1426054920;BingoBoingo;Deedbot newest version is deedbot.org? docs? 1048459;1426054960;cazalla;BingoBoingo, knew i was onto something :) 1048460;1426055874;mircea_popescu;http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2014/01/15/kdbus-details/ btw, re the linus thing 1048461;1426055876;assbot;kdbus details - Linux Kernel Monkey Log ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzAEgM ) 1048462;1426055887;cazalla;deedbot-, add-deed http://dpaste.com/28XZS58.txt 1048463;1426055888;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzAIgP ) 1048464;1426055912;cazalla;is that right or just no confirmation unless included in block? 1048465;1426055945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23967 @ 0.00031366 = 7.5175 BTC [+] {2} 1048466;1426055951;mircea_popescu;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/28XZS58.txt 1048467;1426055951;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzAVjX ) 1048468;1426055967;mircea_popescu;trinque was going to fix the bizarro counterintuitive interface last we went through this 1048469;1426056205;cazalla;well, in its absence, i have 2 people who are aware what that hash represents so it should work for a time stamp eh? 1048470;1426056211;BingoBoingo;Fuck, is deedbot just too good of an idea to live 1048471;1426056248;BingoBoingo;3bf559b252621b8e34345ce6f54e8f1a310d0b29ec070a2156f4fd0465f8aa50415bbb56e2a5182e41d719d002a5d2084860b0cc73cb47022339817dcfd76b77 1048472;1426056255;mircea_popescu;i have nfi 1048473;1426056261;BingoBoingo;^ Won't expire like dpaste at the least 1048474;1426056268;mircea_popescu;right. 1048475;1426056573;BingoBoingo;!up DanTheBitcoinMan 1048476;1426056577;BingoBoingo;Hello DanTheBitcoinMan 1048477;1426056584;BingoBoingo;!up diametric 1048478;1426056599;DanTheBitcoinMan;Hey, guys over at BitBet keep shitting on my new bet I'm submitting 1048479;1426056636;DanTheBitcoinMan;Trying to get rich off the XPY cult 1048480;1426056641;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Which bet? 1048481;1426056656;BingoBoingo;DanTheBitcoinMan: WHich bet? 1048482;1426056682;DanTheBitcoinMan;https://bitbet.us/propositions/ , the latest. 1048483;1426056683;assbot;BitBet Propositions ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzDVwR ) 1048484;1426056753;BingoBoingo;DanTheBitcoinMan: BitBet tends to reject bets unlikely to attract betting action 1048485;1426056778;DanTheBitcoinMan;I see, but I thought it would attract some good betting action. 1048486;1426056820;DanTheBitcoinMan;So many idiots out there supporting this blatant scam, surely they would bet on it. Kind of like how the BFL Monarch delivery bet went. 1048487;1426056826;BingoBoingo;DanTheBitcoinMan: I'm not a BitBet mod, but a short on XPY with small stakes looks like Garza looking to rob again 1048488;1426056856;mircea_popescu;DanTheBitcoinMan the idea is for the proponent of the scamcoin in question to put btc down on it. 1048489;1426056870;DanTheBitcoinMan;Ah, nevermind I completely didn't think about that. 1048490;1426056882;mircea_popescu;this worked historically with bfl, stuck them for a decent sum 1048491;1426056885;DanTheBitcoinMan;Yeah, they'd manipulate and dumb to oblivion to win the bet, last ditch effort if it got big enough 1048492;1426056895;DanTheBitcoinMan;dumb = dump 1048493;1426056904;DanTheBitcoinMan;Yeah, the BFL Bet was beautiful. 1048494;1426056906;mircea_popescu;and more generally, http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/ 1048495;1426056906;assbot;The positive market effects of the delivery bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzEQNE ) 1048496;1426056935;mircea_popescu;anyway, the right way to go about it is, challenge garza or w/e is pushing the thing to put some btc down 1048497;1426057037;DanTheBitcoinMan;Missed that one. The delivery bet needs to be used more often. 1048498;1426057135;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1048499;1426057184;BingoBoingo;Anyways the onus is on the deliverer or someone they've built faith in to initiate one of those 1048500;1426057275;BingoBoingo;Thing is even Josh Zerlan knew where to put money down and Homero doesn't respect that. 1048501;1426057315;DanTheBitcoinMan;Yeah, really, I'm sure that BFL placing that bet they still ended up convincing some poor souls that they truly were going to deliver 1048502;1426057327;DanTheBitcoinMan;I guess it just costs them a little bit more to keep running their scams 1048503;1426057485;BingoBoingo;DanTheBitcoinMan: And yet in the long run BFl lost so much more. 1048504;1426057533;DanTheBitcoinMan;So what are everyone's thoughts here about Gavin running around and trying to promote his idea of raising the block size limit? Can anyone point me to a very good argument detailing the reasons this should be avoided? 1048505;1426057562;BingoBoingo;DanTheBitcoinMan: Qntra has a good number of pieces on this point 1048506;1426057572;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1048507;1426057606;BingoBoingo;;;google site:qntra.net gavin 1048508;1426057607;gribble;Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork ...: ; Gavin Andresen: "Expect Chaos & Drama" | Qntra.net: ; Flashback: Gavin Andresen | Qntra.net: 1048509;1426057620;Vexual;thoughtless miners are dissappearing, i think thats one reason bigger blocks wont propogate 1048510;1426057685;Vexual;when the reward halves next time, fees are more importsnt 1048511;1426057747;Vexual;also, whens the last time you tried to sync anode? 1048512;1426057825;Vexual;the anode is adjacent to important things, so, you know 1048513;1426057982;Vexual;also dimandoid lasers and shit 1048514;1426057998;Vexual;all the electrons cant be wrong 1048515;1426058072;Vexual;its in the design 1048516;1426058111;mircea_popescu; I guess it just costs them a little bit more to keep running their scams << this is the crucial point. 1048517;1426058135;mircea_popescu;DanTheBitcoinMan funny you should ask, because... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048163 1048518;1426058135;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 02:03:19; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047857 << check it out, the shithead lies about imaginary consensus in december, then "is working" on building the consensus he lied about having, in march. get lost, fucksticks. your gig is up. 1048519;1426058156;davout;ohai$ 1048520;1426058260;mircea_popescu;hei frenchie 1048521;1426058327;Vexual;yeah even if you try to unsatoshi, youll get flomabaied 1048522;1426058449;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btq, qntra for linux : https://lwn.net/ 1048523;1426058450;assbot;Welcome to LWN.net [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1wsDjI8 ) 1048524;1426058457;mircea_popescu;note the almost exact match of thing for thing. 1048525;1426058483;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Actually saw that later 1048526;1426058496;mircea_popescu;and toddf quoite the guy, "For those who don’t want to take the time watching the talk, lwn.net wrote up a great summary of the talk, and that article is here. For those of you without a lwn.net subscription, what are you waiting for? You’ll have to wait two weeks before it comes out from behind the paid section of the website before reading it, sorry." 1048527;1426058511;mircea_popescu;they don't really understand what they're doing, but they ARE trying. 1048528;1426058551;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_eCQYK4a2Q 1048529;1426058554;BingoBoingo;It is a model I wish I would have seen 5-10 years ago 1048530;1426058873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00032316 = 2.246 BTC [+] 1048531;1426059355;Vexual;guess dan wasn't really looking for everyones thoughts 1048532;1426059377;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/stuff-i-dont-understand-and-other-likable-parts/ 1048533;1426059971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13001 @ 0.00032316 = 4.2014 BTC [+] 1048534;1426060276;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/35cb5c2a717be46ac3b0e7d34c3054e8/tumblr_ni8hqj0v0e1tbhgn7o1_1280.jpg 1048535;1426060277;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsduM6 ) 1048536;1426060283;mircea_popescu;you can't spell grape without rape. 1048537;1426060804;BingoBoingo;!up lrak 1048538;1426061008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00032364 = 8.1234 BTC [+] 1048539;1426061138;mircea_popescu;eleaks org ? 1048540;1426061191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.0003275 = 17.2593 BTC [+] {2} 1048541;1426062671;hanbot;hey mp! http://www.sitescore.co/trilema.com << your site doesn't exist! it's just read by a bunch of people! 1048542;1426062672;assbot;SiteScore | Site Ranking ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3u1h1 ) 1048543;1426062781;mircea_popescu;lol 1048544;1426062786;mircea_popescu;sounds about right, sure. 1048545;1426063164;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fun-read/ 1048546;1426063326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.000327 = 14.6496 BTC [-] 1048547;1426064424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00032903 = 10.1341 BTC [+] {2} 1048548;1426064913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44469 @ 0.00033016 = 14.6819 BTC [+] {2} 1048549;1426065339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00033157 = 18.7669 BTC [+] {2} 1048550;1426065400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00033179 = 7.1501 BTC [+] 1048551;1426066254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6396 @ 0.000327 = 2.0915 BTC [-] 1048552;1426067474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.00032645 = 22.0517 BTC [-] {2} 1048553;1426068023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.0003264 = 3.3782 BTC [-] 1048554;1426068877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13048 @ 0.00033179 = 4.3292 BTC [+] 1048555;1426069914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00034551 = 15.0642 BTC [+] 1048556;1426070646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40452 @ 0.00034519 = 13.9636 BTC [-] 1048557;1426070707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24840 @ 0.00033897 = 8.42 BTC [-] {2} 1048558;1426070730;cazalla;garza's missus https://anonimg.com/img/dabfb2d6f14a1f18f1b5278fb95c7ce9.jpg https://anonimg.com/img/dca78566589571fd74043b299a38ede7.jpg 1048559;1426070731;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWmeb3 ) 1048560;1426070731;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWmfvu ) 1048561;1426070768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27160 @ 0.00034879 = 9.4731 BTC [+] 1048562;1426071334;davout;cazalla: lol srsly? 1048563;1426071393;cazalla;ya, seen others, just not as provocative 1048564;1426071446;davout;keep em coming 1048565;1426071580;cazalla;ah i just found those ones on the tardstalk forum 1048566;1426071789;davout;hah, link plox? 1048567;1426071833;davout;and what was that train ticket bzns where they were moving to brussels or sthg, grepped my logs, couldn't find it 1048568;1426071862;cazalla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10732463#msg10732463 1048569;1426071863;assbot;GAW Miners Paybase Paycoin unofficial uncensored discussion.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWqAPa ) 1048570;1426071889;cazalla;not sure what become of hte train tickets, i don't follow it as close as i once did, might skim that thread every couple of days 1048571;1426071943;cazalla;mp suggested we fire at most 2 bullets.. i think garza is bullet ridden by this point so unlikely to ever be more 1048572;1426073812;dignork;http://habrahabr.ru/post/252725/ - translation: skype deletes links to dx.com from user messages 1048573;1426073814;assbot;Цензура ÑÑылок Ñкайпом / Хабрахабр ... ( http://bit.ly/18A2xcm ) 1048574;1426076130;cazalla;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/11462193/Irish-court-accidentally-makes-drugs-legal.html not that it matters, they're all drunks 1048575;1426076132;assbot;Irish court 'accidentally' makes drugs legal - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsK68K ) 1048576;1426076156;davout;pretty lulzy 1048577;1426076416;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048345 << here's a bitbet deposit address generated for a 'yes' on the "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" -> 157sBJsrLoTheQUpZ7nXMnfELCmrW8xsHz 1048578;1426076416;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 03:33:45; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and actually, since im in a great mood : you get 100 bucks worth of bitcoin bet on any bitbet of your choice, lemme know what you want. 1048579;1426076496;danielpbarron;that 100 USD worth could be 700 USD worth for me at current odds :D 1048580;1426076624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50937 @ 0.0003358 = 17.1046 BTC [-] {2} 1048581;1426076673;danielpbarron;also, "@stoya The author of this blog is a fan of yours, and he's willing to pay you 0.2 (double because you're famous). http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ..." 1048582;1426076674;assbot;I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wtwwhm ) 1048583;1426076938;danielpbarron;height=269680 vs height=205735 1048584;1426077600;kakobrekla;http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2015-03-09-dlakava-dlan-marÄevski-uritoff-39042.jpg 1048585;1426077601;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsNn7M ) 1048586;1426077661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00034106 = 17.7692 BTC [+] {4} 1048587;1426077728;cazalla;asian? 1048588;1426077742;fluffypony;THATS RACIST 1048589;1426077789;cazalla;fluffypony, if you had to guess though? 1048590;1426077801;fluffypony;Swahili 1048591;1426077868;cazalla;looks like some hambeasts in the background though 1048592;1426078561;cazalla;coindesk deals.. they must be doing it tough over there 1048593;1426078666;cazalla;i guess i could use a https://deals.coindesk.com/sales/bactrack-mobile-breathalyzer-us 1048594;1426078668;assbot; BACtrack Mobile Smartphone Breathalyzer | CoinDesk Deals ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVSXm2 ) 1048595;1426078688;fluffypony;so Coindesk is now Groupon? 1048596;1426078716;cazalla;seems they only accept credit card or paypal, no bitcoin 1048597;1426078734;cazalla;i'd write this up just for the lulz but had a few too many 1048598;1426078827;cazalla;seems it runs through this mob https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/stackcommerce 1048599;1426078829;assbot;StackCommerce | CrunchBase ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVTwvX ) 1048600;1426079125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00034879 = 1.6044 BTC [+] 1048601;1426079425;fluffypony;ahahahahahah ha hah ahaha hah: http://i.imgur.com/RZHCtoZ.jpg <- Cat 5-o-9 tails 1048602;1426079427;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVVZ9S ) 1048603;1426080040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00034303 = 6.0373 BTC [-] 1048604;1426080772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0003495 = 8.7375 BTC [+] {4} 1048605;1426081260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00035086 = 1.1403 BTC [+] 1048606;1426081376;adlai;asciilifeform: working my way through the lispm talk makes me want to study EE 1048607;1426082541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00034545 = 7.669 BTC [-] 1048608;1426083721;nubbins`; i was briefly a member of a kind of electronics club that met in a huge old church <<< we hold pop-up art sales in churches a couple times a year 1048609;1426083730;nubbins`;incredibly, incredibly inexpensive 1048610;1426083877;nubbins`;also 1048611;1426083880;nubbins`;"genarator room" 1048612;1426083883;mircea_popescu;fluffypony that shit's evil. 1048613;1426083884;nubbins`;re: http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg 1048614;1426083887;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfN1K3 ) 1048615;1426083931;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the lulziest part there is the "rabbits and fish" thing. i imagine cazalla may have a good laugh. 1048616;1426083946;nubbins`;nod yeh 1048617;1426083959;nubbins`;even if those pots indicate /shelves/ of pots... 1048618;1426083959;mircea_popescu;ESPECIALLY who the fuck came up with the bright idea of making four tiny tanks 1048619;1426083977;nubbins`;i suspect whoever drew this has never seen, say, a tuna 1048620;1426083981;mircea_popescu;as large as the motorcycle garage! because this is sensible now. 1048621;1426084006;nubbins`;i like how there's 4 queen size beds too 1048622;1426084023;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.madscientistblog.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/penfieldhomunculus.jpg 1048623;1426084024;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wtVKMu ) 1048624;1426084025;nubbins`;and ~50 single-person cots 1048625;1426084027;mircea_popescu;"the man according to the man himself" 1048626;1426084045;mircea_popescu;because mindshare is realityshare, and how important things are in your stupid head really is how important things actually are. 1048627;1426084064;nubbins`;"twenty rabbits should be enough for anyone" 1048628;1426084089;mircea_popescu;hory shit i just saw the scale 1048629;1426084094;nubbins`;right? 1048630;1426084098;mircea_popescu;check it out, i can have two bunkers here. 1048631;1426084104;nubbins`;notu badu 1048632;1426084108;mircea_popescu;plus half a bunker in the closet. 1048633;1426084123;nubbins`;i've got about a half bunker here between the house and the backyard 1048634;1426084139;mircea_popescu;nubbins` im with you. never saw tuna, in either the marine or the feminine variant. 1048635;1426084144;nubbins`;heh 1048636;1426084165;nubbins`;massive, *massive* things. almost silly to see the full thing next to a canned portion 1048637;1426084176;nubbins`;like purchasing a thimblefull of elephant meat 1048638;1426084195;mircea_popescu;japanese ppls regularly buy 1mn dollahs worth of a tuna capture 1048639;1426084201;mircea_popescu;i never saw a head of cattle worth 1mn 1048640;1426084225;nubbins`;BingoBoingo:asciilifeform: If I did foot the whole way still ~3-4 months late, not counting the antihills of the Darien <<< get a boat from panama to turbo, colombia 1048641;1426084233;nubbins`;NOBODY WALKS THE DARIEN GAP 1048642;1426084250;nubbins`;mircea_popescu the famous tokyo fish auctions have $2mn+ tunas being sold on the regular 1048643;1426084264;nubbins`;they had to ban foreigners because too many 1048644;1426084276;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the insanity of all those bunk beds, space's barely fit for you and one woman's spawn : why the fuck is the quarantine room the most central thing in there ? 1048645;1426084289;nubbins`;because THRETT 1048646;1426084289;mircea_popescu;shit's got like 4 doors, what is this, the set for alien 8 ? 1048647;1426084298;nubbins`;THRETT LEVEL REDD 1048648;1426084329;mircea_popescu;i wonder if they make women go in there while on their period. 1048649;1426084337;mircea_popescu;looks like enough for three or four. 1048650;1426084463;mircea_popescu;ahaha this thing... the more you look the lulzier it gets. so in the office, for no reason whatsoever, they opted to make the door open into one of the seats. when they could just have had the weirdo table arrangement in the other end. 1048651;1426084476;mircea_popescu;author must be ~13. 1048652;1426084569;mircea_popescu;laundry room ahahahaha. and where DOES THE WATER GO. 1048653;1426084586;mircea_popescu;obviously it comes from the supermarket, not worried about that part. 1048654;1426084720;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048572 << what is dx.com / 1048655;1426084720;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 11:36:52; dignork: http://habrahabr.ru/post/252725/ - translation: skype deletes links to dx.com from user messages 1048656;1426085063;nubbins`;that's actually a massage table, treadmill, stationary bike, and a rack of free weights in the laundry room 1048657;1426085076;nubbins`;because, y'know, people like exercising next to an operating clothes dryer. 1048658;1426085108;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla notbad.jpg 1048659;1426085123;mircea_popescu;nubbins` gotta power the shit somehow... 1048660;1426085145;nubbins`;also, quarantine room/hallway/elevator/generators/garage is a fully enclosed section with no way in or out 1048661;1426085152;nubbins`;np 8) 1048662;1426085153;nubbins`;*mp 1048663;1426085177;nubbins`;srsly, start in quarantine and make your way to a toilet 1048664;1426085181;nubbins`;i dare ya 1048665;1426085186;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048595 << lawl. 1048666;1426085186;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 12:58:08; fluffypony: so Coindesk is now Groupon? 1048667;1426085212;mircea_popescu;nubbins` why do you want a toilet ? YOURE IN QUARANTINE! 1048668;1426085222;nubbins`;heh 1048669;1426085227;mircea_popescu;hold it in. 1048670;1426085231;nubbins`;the motorcycle ride shook my bowels 1048671;1426085248;nubbins`;plus the fumes from the garage and generator room are making me ill 1048672;1426085258;mircea_popescu;fumes are a myth 1048673;1426085272;nubbins`; indistinguishable from co2 1048674;1426085280;mircea_popescu;free vaping 1048675;1426085291;thestringpuller;nubbins` never sniffed glue to get high 1048676;1426085301;nubbins`;not even once 1048677;1426085301;mircea_popescu;anyway, the url is, let me remind and underscore, www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg 1048678;1426085306;thestringpuller;Didn't beavis and butthead intrigue you with the paint thinner episodes? 1048679;1426085308;nubbins`;ULTIMATE 1048680;1426085312;mircea_popescu;this is EXACTLY indicative of the general quality of the internets. 1048681;1426085327;nubbins`;"MOTERCYCLE GARAGE" 1048682;1426085336;mircea_popescu;it's not below average. this is the sort of shit the consumer internet is made of. from wikipedia to the last fucking blogspot blog. 1048683;1426085337;nubbins`;"GENARATOR ROOM" 1048684;1426085370;mircea_popescu;the internet's for porn because really, it can't do anything else... not well, it isn't a question of well. 1048685;1426085382;mircea_popescu;it can't do anything else above mongoloidism. 1048686;1426085400;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1048687;1426085401;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.31, Best ask: 294.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 294.4, 24 hour volume: 47068.57062534, 24 hour low: 290.2, 24 hour high: 303.96, 24 hour vwap: None 1048688;1426085438;nubbins`;lel again @ gun range 1048689;1426085458;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron sent it. i guess we find out if anyone's replacing kako's logs :D 1048690;1426085469;danielpbarron;tyvm :D 1048691;1426085502;mircea_popescu;also lawl at that choice. "o you wanna give me 100 ? let me take it as 7!" 1048692;1426085505;mircea_popescu;that's the spirit. 1048693;1426085533;nubbins`;http://www.ultimatebunker.com/photo-gallery/ 1048694;1426085535;assbot;Photo Gallery of our Underground Products America's Best! Underground Bunkers, Gun Safes, Storm Shelters ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu0YI2 ) 1048695;1426085553;nubbins`;"all we've built so far is steel coffins roughly the size of shipping containers, but we swear we can build a 9000sqft bunker" 1048696;1426085579;mircea_popescu;the notion that anything under ~50k sqft or so is a "bunker". 1048697;1426085586;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with "cellar". 1048698;1426085597;nubbins`;these ones are *cough* nuke-proof 1048699;1426085599;nubbins`;XD 1048700;1426085600;mircea_popescu;not the same scent to it while sleepover ? 1048701;1426085645;*;mircea_popescu has been in the casa poporului bunker 1048702;1426085654;mircea_popescu;the thing a crazy dictator builds for himself. 1048703;1426085682;nubbins`;plenty of old ww2 us military bunkers around here 1048704;1426085691;nubbins`;not like these tho 1048705;1426085695;mircea_popescu;for one thing, there's 18 ~meters~ of concrete between the bunker and the atmosphere. the last 3 interspersed with steel plate. 1048706;1426085695;nubbins`;concrete, above ground 1048707;1426085698;mircea_popescu;not "a steel plate". 1048708;1426085702;nubbins`;heheh 1048709;1426085703;nubbins`;right? 1048710;1426085709;nubbins`;"a couple inches of topsoil should be good" 1048711;1426085720;nubbins`;nevermind that this isn't a bunker, it's a fucking rotisserie 1048712;1426085727;mircea_popescu;"nuke proof - but careful if the bomber tries to land nearby" 1048713;1426085734;nubbins`;all you need is for two vendor reps to spit-roast you in the quarantine room 1048714;1426085742;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1048715;1426085759;nubbins`;my sides 1048716;1426085778;nubbins`;http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/Bunker-Getting-Some-Skin.jpg 1048717;1426085779;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrCDow ) 1048718;1426085783;nubbins`;ball-peen hammer on floor for scale 1048719;1426085785;mircea_popescu;and by spitroast we mean http://40.media.tumblr.com/f85183b002ff82c91455c4bc4464bb55/tumblr_n0s1piP2iK1tra55do5_1280.jpg 1048720;1426085787;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrCDVo ) 1048721;1426085804;*;nubbins` nods sagely 1048722;1426085812;mircea_popescu;wait. what is that ?! 1048723;1426085817;nubbins`;bottom guy should be standing tho 1048724;1426085830;nubbins`;mircea_popescu the only thing they have actual pictures of 1048725;1426085837;nubbins`;i guess that's the grow room ;p 1048726;1426085843;mircea_popescu;this is a mental condition 1048727;1426085845;mircea_popescu;it must be. 1048728;1426085864;mircea_popescu;"and here's joe. joe has bunker. he's on 720mg clorazepine". 1048729;1426085939;nubbins`;^ 1048730;1426085960;nubbins`;http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/Bunker-and-Bunker-Brother.jpg 1048731;1426085962;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu2lXn ) 1048732;1426085969;nubbins`;okay, they're actually like 4 feet under the topsoil 1048733;1426085972;nubbins`;i retract all criticism 1048734;1426085980;nubbins`;except for all the mean things i said 1048735;1426086003;nubbins`;Q: Does each bunker come with ten motorcycles, or do I have to provide my own? 1048736;1426086035;nubbins`;also the frieght elevator has one elevator door and two swinging interior doors 1048737;1426086040;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what i wanna know is, do they carve it by hand ? 1048738;1426086051;nubbins`;heh 1048739;1426086054;nubbins`;looks laser-y 1048740;1426086066;nubbins`;that guy is still seling wooden w/e on the forums hey? 1048741;1426086072;nubbins`;with his -1024 neg trust 1048742;1426086076;mircea_popescu;dude... in srs now. they can't be intimating that those steel frame boxes are the "bunkers" ? 1048743;1426086079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00034573 = 11.3399 BTC [+] {2} 1048744;1426086103;thestringpuller;I get a lot of notifications on twitter for someone who doesn't really tweet. 1048745;1426086198;nubbins`;mircea_popescu if not, they've posted WAY too many pictures of them 1048746;1426086264;mircea_popescu;but 1048747;1426086274;mircea_popescu;i guess these idiots never heard of scatter gamma huh ? 1048748;1426086337;asciilifeform;time for an elementary likbez on the bunkers of gringolandia 1048749;1426086349;asciilifeform;charlatans have been selling these steel coffins since mid-1950s. 1048750;1426086380;asciilifeform;they were, at the dawn of that age, popular to such an extent, that a great many houses -still- have them buried in the yard 1048751;1426086390;asciilifeform;and the owner does not even necessarily know 1048752;1426086394;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the kids that didn't like physics class : any metal, if subjected to radiation such as a nuclear explosion, becomes a secondary source of gamma rays, as it slows down the rads. 1048753;1426086397;asciilifeform;when they know, often used as a wine cellar 1048754;1426086401;mircea_popescu;it's like being in a microwave oven 1048755;1426086415;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only when you catch neutrons 1048756;1426086437;asciilifeform;and if you're close enough for this, you're already dead of gamma burst 1048757;1426086441;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: what is the definition of likbez? 1048758;1426086446;thestringpuller;;;ud likbez 1048759;1426086447;gribble;Google found nothing. 1048760;1426086461;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: that's because you gotta search for ликбез 1048761;1426086468;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now this all depends. 1048762;1426086501;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: short for 'Ð»Ð¸ÐºÐ²Ð¸Ð´Ð°Ñ†Ð¸Ñ Ð±ÐµÐ·Ð³Ñ€Ð°Ð¼Ð¾Ñ‚Ð½Ð¾Ñти', or 'elimination of illiteracy', a 1920s sov. catchphrase for all sorts of 'popular enlightenment' crackpottery 1048763;1426086513;asciilifeform;today used to refer to quick&dirty intro to something or other. 1048764;1426086525;thestringpuller;google translates the short phrase to: "educational program" 1048765;1426086526;thestringpuller;lol 1048766;1426086547;mircea_popescu;if it's russian, it prolly has liquidation in it somewhere. 1048767;1426086557;mircea_popescu;guys have a serious problem with ice, and it shows. 1048768;1426086583;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think of it more as a quick shower, rather than dirty :D 1048769;1426086610;asciilifeform;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/53/2f/f1/532ff1d90f480e199803d6b46e9530ed.jpg 1048770;1426086613;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrEREp ) 1048771;1426086634;asciilifeform;these were originally referred to as 'fallout shelters', which is a somewhat more honest description of what one might actually hope to achieve with one 1048772;1426086669;asciilifeform;not in any way shape or form designed to resist blast or serious gamma, and certainly not direct enemy action on the door 1048773;1426086831;mircea_popescu;"canned water" srsly ? 1048774;1426086834;asciilifeform;as with any consumer idiocy, these became 'status object' and those with some money would build appropriately bigger ones, with more pointless luxuries 1048775;1426086842;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the canned water, yes. still found on 'ebay' 1048776;1426086857;asciilifeform;actually came in cans, like sardines 1048777;1426086861;mircea_popescu;what is it, magnesium residue, just add water ? 1048778;1426086867;asciilifeform;straight water. 1048779;1426086897;nubbins`;"this shelter is gross, all the cans are lined with BPA" 1048780;1426086951;asciilifeform;http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/08/18/cheap-mini-blast-fallout-shelter-makes-you-question-which-is-the-worse-fate 1048781;1426086956;assbot;Cheap Mini Blast & Fallout Shelter Makes You Question Which Is The Worse Fate - OhGizmo! ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu5BBY ) 1048782;1426086957;asciilifeform;^ for the poor - coffin. 1048783;1426086977;nubbins`;next door neighbour has been shrieking hoarsely at the top of her lungs for ~45 seconds now 1048784;1426086979;asciilifeform;someone should've taught these folks how to do wagner&cyanide 1048785;1426086984;nubbins`;wordlessly 1048786;1426087046;mircea_popescu;"Is someone really going to settle for ‘fairly good nuclear protection’? It’s like they’re comparing radioactive fallout to a chilly breeze, and as long as you block most of it, you should be relatively comfortable. " 1048787;1426087058;mircea_popescu;the ohgizmo piece is about as retarded as the originals 1048788;1426087067;mircea_popescu;this is EXACTLY what you do. block most of it. 1048789;1426087074;asciilifeform;linked for the photo 1048790;1426087084;mircea_popescu;it's not a fucking ideological issue, it's a practical matter. radiation isn't this fucking thin from outer space, it's everywhere. 1048791;1426087087;mircea_popescu;stones give it off! 1048792;1426087097;asciilifeform;esp. underground 1048793;1426087106;mircea_popescu;but for that matter, these idiots would prolly be amazed to hear about the ocean of air with its 100kpa right 1048794;1426087175;nubbins`;"but that's so heavy!" 1048795;1426087186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform intel says this is basically a married life phenomenon. familiar to eu/ru folks as the "going to work on car" man had enough of wife thin 1048796;1426087196;mircea_popescu;g 1048797;1426087209;asciilifeform;absolutely ^ this 1048798;1426087220;asciilifeform;in usa, traditionally called 'man cave' 1048799;1426087228;asciilifeform;as in, the compartment where he hides from wife 1048800;1426087241;asciilifeform;because this is apparently sop 1048801;1426087242;nubbins`;oh, i have a relevant link 1048802;1426087243;nubbins`;sec 1048803;1426087250;nubbins`;;;google toronto pan am man cave 1048804;1426087251;gribble;Toronto tunnel dug by 2 men as 'man cave', police say ... - CBC: ; Toronto Police: Men Built Mystery Tunnel to Use as Man Cave - ABC ...: ; Toronto police say no criminal intent with tunnel - US News: (1 more message) 1048805;1426087255;mircea_popescu;i thought the man cave is where you take the daughter's classmates / maid / random roadkill for processing in the family way. 1048806;1426087264;nubbins`;lel 1048807;1426087273;nubbins`;"i brought this roadkill in for processing... in the family way" 1048808;1426087290;mircea_popescu;nubbins` also known as hitchhikers. 1048809;1426087302;nubbins`;o-o-o-o! 1048810;1426087314;nubbins`;gj 1048811;1426087317;mircea_popescu;see ? makes perfect sense :D 1048812;1426087335;*;mircea_popescu realises tardively he might be the only one here subscribing to the hitchiker = roadkill convention. 1048813;1426087335;nubbins`;"The man who owned some of the equipment which was found at the tunnel saw it on television and called police. He said he had loaned it to an employee — a construction worker who underpins homes." 1048814;1426087340;nubbins`;^ second line is best line 1048815;1426087367;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i'd imagine there's just as many people using the phrase "long pig" 1048816;1426087381;mircea_popescu;but dats racis ? 1048817;1426087396;nubbins`;nobody knows for sure 1048818;1426087410;mircea_popescu;anyway, "in the family way" is this 50s periphrase, for fucking. well, fucking in the 50s way, ie -> pregnancy. 1048819;1426087418;nubbins`;best part of this "mystery cave" (which captivated the nation btw) is the people saying "they shouldn't be allowed to do that!!" 1048820;1426087426;mircea_popescu;of coruse not. 1048821;1426087427;nubbins`;can you fuckin imagine if you were /not allowed to dig holes/? 1048822;1426087440;nubbins`;in the family way, i knew 1048823;1426087443;mircea_popescu;the one thing 1980s russia, romania, poland etc agreed in their own idioms was 1048824;1426087449;mircea_popescu;"they shouldn't be allowed to do that" 1048825;1426087452;mircea_popescu;it's a commie thing. 1048826;1426087470;nubbins`;canada: leftist sensibilities under a hard-right exterior 1048827;1426087485;mircea_popescu;hard right exterior ? which way is it pointed ? 1048828;1426087490;nubbins`;inward 1048829;1426087500;nubbins`;:( 1048830;1426087521;asciilifeform;in usa, excavation on your property (not even talking about some random place you've no official busines in) without a 'socially acceptable' excuse is thought to be a sign of 'up to no good' -- like duffel bag of benjies under your car seat 1048831;1426087534;asciilifeform;you must be a deviant, is the thought 1048832;1426087589;chetty;and besides you are making a mess in the neighborhood, not allowed. No messy laundry or flags either 1048833;1426087620;asciilifeform;flags are generally permitted so long as it's a regulation american flag 1048834;1426087662;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you are so paranoid! lol. 1048835;1426087663;asciilifeform;(ianal but iirc my state actually imposes penalties on anyone, incl. landlord, who interferes with the display of a standard american flag) 1048836;1426087704;thestringpuller;i roll around with dufflebag of benjies under my car seat all day erryday 1048837;1426087716;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: 1 traffic stop away from penury 1048838;1426087723;nubbins`;^ 1048839;1426087726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100930 @ 0.0003489 = 35.2145 BTC [+] {3} 1048840;1426087729;thestringpuller;well the money is going to jail not me 1048841;1426087731;asciilifeform;and you can take that to the bank. 1048842;1426087736;nubbins`;"just let us know why you have 'em and if it checks out you can have em back" 1048843;1426087741;asciilifeform;or rather, not (bank doesn't have much to do with an empty bag) 1048844;1426087766;thestringpuller;bank would probably call feds if you showed up with dufflebag full of benjies 1048845;1426087779;nubbins`;s/probably/be required by law to 1048846;1426087787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17897 @ 0.00035333 = 6.3235 BTC [+] 1048847;1426087821;mircea_popescu;!up xinxi 1048848;1426087831;xinxi;thanks 1048849;1426087837;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ? 1048850;1426087851;xinxi;The owner of coinut.com 1048851;1426087860;mircea_popescu;get in teh wot. 1048852;1426087864;nubbins`;^ 1048853;1426087878;xinxi;I used to be in wot. 1048854;1426087888;adlai;wot happened? 1048855;1426087890;xinxi;I don’t know why I am not now. 1048856;1426087897;mircea_popescu;!gettrust xinxi 1048857;1426087897;assbot;xinxi is not registered in WoT. 1048858;1426087897;adlai;;;ident xinxi 1048859;1426087897;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None 1048860;1426087901;dignork;mircea_popescu: what is dx.com / << chinese online shop with cheap electrnic garbage, very popular in RU 1048861;1426087908;jurov;!trust assbot xinxi 1048862;1426087909;mircea_popescu;dignork oic. 1048863;1426087910;adlai;xinxi: gribble wot ≠ assbot wot 1048864;1426087914;jurov;!gettrust assbot xinxi 1048865;1426087914;assbot;xinxi is not registered in WoT. 1048866;1426087923;mircea_popescu;xinxi ic! 1048867;1426087923;adlai;popular in israel too 1048868;1426087978;xinxi;I see. How to get registered in assbot wot? 1048869;1426088055;thestringpuller;!gettrust wangxinxi 1048870;1426088055;assbot;Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/thestringpuller/wangxinxi | http://w.b-a.link/user/wangxinxi 1048871;1426088061;thestringpuller;You're already in it apparently 1048872;1426088065;mircea_popescu;xinxi coupla coimmands, see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1048873;1426088066;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrI0nG ) 1048874;1426088082;mircea_popescu;but yes, you don't need to, you were grandfathered when they split . 1048875;1426088128;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: what mains plug in Ar ? 1048876;1426088166;thestringpuller;xinxi: how goes coinut? 1048877;1426088167;asciilifeform;seeing some disagreement from www on the question 1048878;1426088201;xinxi;thestringpuller: I am still trying to attracting more users. 1048879;1426088219;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: is the godfather of options 1048880;1426088237;xinxi;thestringpuller: yeah, mpoe was great. 1048881;1426088295;xinxi;there are buyers, and I’m trying to find a big seller for them. 1048882;1426088310;xinxi;one is asking for 100 BTC+ binary options. 1048883;1426088327;xinxi;and the other is asking for vanilla options for his 4000 BTC. 1048884;1426088406;xinxi;Maybe you guys can help? 1048885;1426088424;thestringpuller;so basically you want financing to underwrite options... 1048886;1426088461;xinxi;I don’t sell. I need you to sell. 1048887;1426088572;xinxi;100 BTC binary options should be fine for many of you. The size is not that big. 1048888;1426088600;trinque;mircea_popescu: cazalla: you guys just tried to add a rando text file with a hash in it 1048889;1426088606;trinque;not a signed gpg message 1048890;1426088642;trinque;and uh, did I just hear the word "intuitive"? 1048891;1426088682;trinque;!up deedbot- 1048892;1426088699;trinque;cazalla: use deedbot-: add-key dpaste.com/blah.txt 1048893;1426088718;trinque;cazalla: use deedbot-: add-deed dpaste.com/blah2.txt 1048894;1426088732;trinque;where key is your gpg public key 1048895;1426088903;trinque;publishing a hash directly isn't a bad idea at all, though 1048896;1426089007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42830 @ 0.00034294 = 14.6881 BTC [-] {2} 1048897;1426089034;thestringpuller;deedbot seems complicated now ~_~ 1048898;1426089049;trinque;fucks sake, how to use it was in the logs 1048899;1426089050;trinque;:p 1048900;1426089069;trinque;it will get "improved", but I also have real life to attend to 1048901;1426089255;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sequencing-fraud-on-9-cibc-visa-cards-like-groundhog-day-for-ottawa-man-1.2989611 1048902;1426089257;assbot;Sequencing fraud on 9 CIBC Visa cards like 'Groundhog Day' for Ottawa man - Canada - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NK9OXE ) 1048903;1426089262;nubbins`;"It seems somehow the hacking team or the hackers have been able to get a hold of banking 'enigma' code so they're able to generate the exact same sequence of the card that I would be receiving in the mail." 1048904;1426089263;nubbins`;o.O 1048905;1426089275;thestringpuller;!up pete_dushenski 1048906;1426089298;pete_dushenski;thx thestringpuller :) 1048907;1426089326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 220v V section 1048908;1426089329;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: cut your cards, cut your cards! 1048909;1426089343;mircea_popescu;but adapters are trivial to find so don't worry too much 1048910;1426089364;pete_dushenski;and to all: a sunny hello from jamaica ! 1048911;1426089386;mircea_popescu;xinxi what's the difference between a binary option and a bitbet like danielpbarron was talking earlier ? 1048912;1426089414;mircea_popescu; publishing a hash directly isn't a bad idea at all, though << it is. 1048913;1426089427;pete_dushenski;obligatory scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/11/this-is-what-permissionless-innovation-looks-like/ 1048914;1426089428;assbot;This is what permissionless innovation looks like. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKaz3d ) 1048915;1426089432;mircea_popescu;i didn't actually check teh journos did in fact sing. yo BingoBoingo ! i'm holding you responsible! 1048916;1426089444;mircea_popescu;cazalla we know is new to this entire computer thing :D 1048917;1426089447;trinque;mircea_popescu: is a bad idea? 1048918;1426089458;trinque;thought that's what you gents were trying to do 1048919;1426089469;mircea_popescu;i had no idea they didn't actually SIGN IT 1048920;1426089475;trinque;ahh... heh 1048921;1426089477;mircea_popescu;but publishing unsigned mattrer on the deedbot is horribru. 1048922;1426089517;nubbins`;i find this "sequencing fraud" thing a bit much 1048923;1426089531;xinxi;mircea_popescu: you need to price a binary option before you buy or sell. 1048924;1426089540;nubbins`;what, the haxxors enumerated 100 million visa card numbers and /tried them all/ every time this guy got a new card? 1048925;1426089549;nubbins`;sorry, 10 million 1048926;1426089567;mircea_popescu;xinxi i mean specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048579 1048927;1426089567;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 12:21:36; danielpbarron: that 100 USD worth could be 700 USD worth for me at current odds :D 1048928;1426089615;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you dun understand how weak ssn is. see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009887 and thereabous 1048929;1426089615;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2015 03:09:05; mircea_popescu: "What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide." 1048930;1426089633;PeterL;asciilifeform: is this the kind of thing you were talking about? http://www.amazing1.com/products/hho-hydrogen-pistol-paper-plans.html 1048931;1426089633;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1048932;1426089634;assbot;HHO Hydrogen Pistol (Paper Plans) - Information Unlimited ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKbAIj ) 1048933;1426089636;mircea_popescu;they cram 9 digit people into 9 digit sig space. 1048934;1426089637;trinque;danielpbarron: ^ MARK OF DA BEEST 1048935;1426089642;nubbins`;sure, but linked story was this poor canadin schmo who has had NINE credit cards IN A ROW compromised 1048936;1426089669;mircea_popescu;yes well, it's journalism. what starts as a discussion about us ssn ends up as a story about a canadian fucking a gator. 1048937;1426089671;nubbins`;like, he says "this is nuts, can i pick up my replacement at the branch this time?" and on his drive home he gets a call saying his card number was stolen 1048938;1426089684;nubbins`;!up xinxi 1048939;1426089699;mircea_popescu;xinxi you can just !up in private at assbot to permavoice 1048940;1426089713;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: he has to change nicks 1048941;1426089732;mircea_popescu;nubbins` anyway, "sequencing fraud" is how illiterate gubernmint pinheads refer to "we use shit crypto and so it gets broken all the time" 1048942;1426089739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16055 @ 0.00034223 = 5.4945 BTC [-] 1048943;1426089771;nubbins`;straight up tho, impossibly small address space. 1048944;1426089772;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i would have been "squencing fraud" had fetlife actually been the government it takes itself for / behaves like. 1048945;1426089774;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKchl3 ) 1048946;1426089787;nubbins`;16 char visa number, first 4-8 are predictable based on bank/branch 1048947;1426089795;nubbins`;last one is checksum 1048948;1426089802;*;nubbins` shakes head 1048949;1426089803;wangxinxi;thestringpuller: it works now. thanks 1048950;1426089838;mircea_popescu;16 digit number. as in you know, fuckall. eight chars pw. 1048951;1426089880;pete_dushenski;most online banking is at this level 1048952;1426089904;pete_dushenski;'can only use pw with !@# symbols' 1048953;1426089904;nubbins`;when i was in korea in ~2007 they had some serious online banking voodoo 1048954;1426089953;nubbins`;1) install activex certificate on usb drive 2) put usb drive in computer 3) go to banking website & log in 4) grab OTP list from wallet and enter random 2 of 24 codes 1048955;1426089976;nubbins`;tap your elbows 3 times, kill a monkey, etc 1048956;1426089984;mircea_popescu;sounds like it's broken. 1048957;1426090017;nubbins`;the wallet card thing was mildly interesting, although overall very cumbersome 1048958;1426090045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28271 @ 0.00033333 = 9.4236 BTC [-] 1048959;1426090057;pete_dushenski;sk must be running low on monkeys by now 1048960;1426090068;mircea_popescu;nah, they breed like rabbits 1048961;1426090074;mircea_popescu;inside a row of 6 gallon tanks. 1048962;1426090074;nubbins`;^ 1048963;1426090077;nubbins`;hahah 1048964;1426090088;nubbins`;GUN RANGE 1048965;1426090094;nubbins`;EXPLOSIVES RANGE 1048966;1426090100;mircea_popescu;jackoff range 1048967;1426090110;mircea_popescu;by their floor space combined, > 100x the size of the 8 showers. 1048968;1426090120;mircea_popescu;imagine how that thing smells, anno 7 pd. 1048969;1426090121;nubbins`;who needs a water purification setup when you have ten motorcycles 1048970;1426090131;nubbins`;post derp 1048971;1426090133;mircea_popescu;TEN MOTORCYCLES! WITH GUN RANGE! 1048972;1426090164;mircea_popescu;those chucks prolly don't even wash, they just circle each other riding on one wheel and shoot the dirt off. 1048973;1426090177;nubbins`;ha 1048974;1426090194;mircea_popescu;or maybe they chrome themselves pre-sheltering. 1048975;1426090199;mircea_popescu;chroming unit omitted from plans. 1048976;1426090213;pete_dushenski;reading darwin atm and his comment on the 'breed like rabbits' thing is less 'huge numbers' and more 'anywhere, anytime' 1048977;1426090231;mircea_popescu;that's "breed like co-eds". 1048978;1426090241;pete_dushenski;his comments on captive breeding were mildly interesting 1048979;1426090247;mircea_popescu;rabbits don't go to college on account of raceism. 1048980;1426090265;pete_dushenski;lol mebbe darwin didn't either 1048981;1426090313;pete_dushenski;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102493458 << cazalla BingoBoingo 1048982;1426090315;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrXmpY ) 1048983;1426090318;nubbins`;;;google chroming planet earth 1048984;1426090319;gribble;Black chrome plating problem: Plating is gray instead of black: ; Living on Earth: Chromium Pollution Exposure: ; Be Alright: 1048985;1426090323;*;nubbins` shrugs 1048986;1426090325;mircea_popescu;incidentally re water purification : ozone by far the best bet for the application. 1048987;1426090336;pete_dushenski;qualcomm getting into bitcoin mining space to the tune of $116 mn 1048988;1426090337;nubbins`;https://be-alright.bandcamp.com/track/chroming-planet-earth 1048989;1426090339;assbot;Chroming Planet Earth | Be Alright ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrXtBT ) 1048990;1426090339;mircea_popescu;hydrolize for oxigen, spark for ozone, closed cycle. 1048991;1426090342;nubbins`;^ have a listen 1048992;1426090358;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski better late than never. 1048993;1426090369;mircea_popescu;they actually still have enough inefficiencies to wring out, so... 1048994;1426090406;pete_dushenski;quite so. 1048995;1426090406;nubbins`;i've a UV-C water purifier that's served me well in many a tropical shithole 1048996;1426090412;PeterL;ozone can be generated by hitting O2 with the right UV wavelength 1048997;1426090421;pete_dushenski;i can't imagine intel and amd are far behind such public ventures. 1048998;1426090421;nubbins`;except for that one trip where i slipped up and brushed my teeth with tap water. 1048999;1426090436;wangxinxi;mircea_popescu: I don’t see that danielpbarron asked for binary options. 1049000;1426090443;pete_dushenski;though i imagine they've already been tapped for more covert operations already 1049001;1426090444;PeterL;another wavelength destroys the ozone when you are done using it to clean your water 1049002;1426090464;nubbins`;;;google steripen 1049003;1426090465;gribble;SteriPEN Water Purification | UV Water Purification: ; SteriPEN Traveler | UV Water Purification: ; SteriPEN Freedom | UV Water Purification: 1049004;1426090478;mircea_popescu;wangxinxi https://bitbet.us/bet/1120/btc-to-top-500-before-1st-may/ << that, what's that ? 1049005;1426090482;nubbins`;10/10 will buy another if this one breaks 1049006;1426090550;mircea_popescu;PeterL yup. 1049007;1426090563;mircea_popescu;it's a very powerful combo, which is why all modern water purification is done by this uv/ozone thing 1049008;1426090572;mircea_popescu;well, they're also trying to get bio stuff working, but that's iffier. 1049009;1426090574;mircea_popescu;!up Jrum 1049010;1426090601;PeterL;reverse osmosis is good for getting salt out of your water 1049011;1426090652;mircea_popescu;it is yes. but the application here is more "get her dead epithelia / endometrium out of the washing water" 1049012;1426090653;wangxinxi;mircea_popescu that seems not an option. But it’s definitely quite exciting. 1049013;1426090675;mircea_popescu;wangxinxi but the question is, in what manner is it not an option ? if it goes over you win, if not you lose, or reverse. 1049014;1426090679;mircea_popescu;right ? what's missing ? 1049015;1426090859;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: new comment held up in the spamorator 1049016;1426090879;wangxinxi;mircea_popescu I don’t know. But can we relate it with volatility? 1049017;1426090893;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: goddamit 1049018;1426090916;mircea_popescu;wangxinxi well of more practical interest : just back your options into it. clearly there's volume there, which is exactly what the purpose of bitbet is : to provide liquidity/insurance to repackagers such as yourself. 1049019;1426090935;mircea_popescu;so, if you have uncovered demand, simply calculate what backing you need and offload the risk on bitbet 1049020;1426090944;mircea_popescu;as you say, 100btc ain't much. 1049021;1426090977;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: LOL. And you once said "Bitbet is just a toy" 1049022;1426090980;thestringpuller;lol 1049023;1426090988;mircea_popescu;everything good's a toy. 1049024;1426090994;wangxinxi;mircea_popescu that could be a good idea. can we calculate the delta of such a bet? 1049025;1426091004;mircea_popescu;im sure we can. 1049026;1426091026;mircea_popescu;wangxinxi http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-cancel-your-bitbet-bet/ << here's a good primer of the maths involve.d 1049027;1426091027;assbot;How to cancel your BitBet bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrZT3t ) 1049028;1426091086;wangxinxi;interesting. let me check first. 1049029;1426091133;thestringpuller;!up pete_dushenski 1049030;1426091151;pete_dushenski;ty! 1049031;1426091181;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the other end of the nuclear shelter spectrum, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9cc26bb441b1a672d509870cac083e2a/tumblr_ndmg6imkQ91sl37wro1_1280.jpg 1049032;1426091183;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs0wu1 ) 1049033;1426091539;pete_dushenski;“following the humiliating CFTC episode, Blythe [Masters] disappeared completely from the public radar. Now, with a one year delay, she has finally reappeared… re-emerged as chief executive of the Bitcoin startup, Digital Asset Holdings.†1049034;1426091552;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048981 << also https://jobs.lever.co/21/ 1049035;1426091552;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 16:11:53; pete_dushenski: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102493458 << cazalla BingoBoingo 1049036;1426091554;assbot;21 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs1Mgx ) 1049037;1426091570;jurov;looks like cloud mining chupmatron 1049038;1426091593;pete_dushenski;lol nice find jurov 1049039;1426091603;pete_dushenski;does look that way 1049040;1426091917;wangxinxi;mircea_popescu it’s possible to hedge. but it seems not very liquid. so it’s a bit difficult in practice. 1049041;1426092046;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049034 << They’re using SQL! Imagine that! No mongodb and node.js!? Must not be a serious bitcoin startup 1049042;1426092046;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 16:32:32; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048981 << also https://jobs.lever.co/21/ 1049043;1426092099;pete_dushenski;not serious, not community-driven, smells like trouble ;) 1049044;1426092118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 78 @ 0.02348457 = 1.8318 BTC [+] {7} 1049045;1426092306;jurov;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10731711#msg10731711 mircea_popescu davout behold this gem 1049046;1426092307;assbot;Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs4Fhq ) 1049047;1426092339;davout;jurov: lol 1049048;1426092392;danielpbarron;haha i was wondering when that would finally get pasted in here 1049049;1426092495;mod6;mit lol 1049050;1426092782;ben_vulpes;far cuter girls at blues night than mit, dun see why i'd bother 1049051;1426093549;adlai;but why couldn't it use https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_lTAhJXEAA9oWE.jpg:large 1049052;1426093550;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs99os ) 1049053;1426093861;ben_vulpes;the hell is he wearing? 1049054;1426094030;*;adlai writes his patent guy about 'cape hoodies' 1049055;1426094889;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: is this you? https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/issues/1076 1049056;1426094890;assbot;Electrum Wallet · Issue #1076 · spesmilo/electrum · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Brk421 ) 1049057;1426095379;danielpbarron;"Now let me tell you about my dog: i don't have a dog. So that is the end of that." 1049058;1426095656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16706 @ 0.00033254 = 5.5554 BTC [-] {2} 1049059;1426095684;jurov;lol haven't i complained yest that it scans gigabytes of data per wallet? 1049060;1426095754;jurov;oh and btw reducing pruning limit did not help here, fluffypony 1049061;1426095782;fluffypony;jurov: you'd have to reduce the limit and go from scratch afaik 1049062;1426095816;jurov;yea i suspected building the db with lower limit is neede.. but i gave up. maybe when i get ssd available 1049063;1426096483;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1049064;1426096541;ascii_field;'sequencing fraud' << i suppose this is when i attempt to explain 'fiat banks create small-time sp4mz0r fraud' thing 1049065;1426096555;ascii_field;imagine you had access to money printer, but only as a lackey 1049066;1426096571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56210 @ 0.00033245 = 18.687 BTC [-] {2} 1049067;1426096575;ascii_field;i.e., you can't easily scoop from it directly in broad daylight 1049068;1426096589;ascii_field;but you are in charge of, e.g., the door locks 1049069;1426096592;ascii_field;or alarms 1049070;1426096594;ascii_field;etc. 1049071;1426096613;ascii_field;so you strike a deal where the place is robbed 'a little' now and again. 1049072;1426096620;ascii_field;in exchange, you get a cut. 1049073;1426096652;ascii_field;very basic mechanics here. 1049074;1426096709;ascii_field;the money printer is something like a black hole of 'moral hazard', it has this effect where it is more or less impossible to behave like anything other than a scammer when sufficiently near the event horizon 1049075;1426096759;ascii_field;the sequences are -deliberately- predictable, the crypto is quite consciously weak, the authenticators are a joke, the turdamatics require winblows, etc. 1049076;1426096769;ascii_field;and none of this should surprise anyone who understands what a fiat bank is. 1049077;1426096802;ascii_field;and likewise all of the fraud-mitigation stuff is bones thrown to the plebes to shut'em up. 1049078;1426096856;ascii_field;sums to >>>> 'it's not a bug - it's a feature!' 1049079;1426096897;ascii_field;there were CC # generators on usenet in the mid-'90s 1049080;1426096902;ascii_field;and everybody knew about them 1049081;1426096906;ascii_field;mega-snore. 1049082;1426096937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16440 @ 0.00033471 = 5.5026 BTC [+] 1049083;1426097769;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: My bad :( fluffypony: Nope 1049084;1426098158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28568 @ 0.0003361 = 9.6017 BTC [+] {2} 1049085;1426098523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.01351001 = 1.2429 BTC [-] {2} 1049086;1426099109;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1049087;1426099126;ascii_field;http://www.devthought.com/2012/06/09/richard-stallman-robbed-in-argentina << vintage lulz 1049088;1426099128;assbot;Richard Stallman has his bag stolen in Argentina | Guillermo Rauch's Devthought ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbuGDB ) 1049089;1426099303;nubbins`;"I was right there, after the talk. It was a very sad moment. He was really distressed. He started yelling and punching himself in the head." 1049090;1426099364;nubbins`;google-translated linked source: "We all try to find the bag that thought was lost. Stallman was bad and sad." 1049091;1426099523;trinque;nubbins`: "punching himself in the head" << how autistic 1049092;1426099630;ascii_field;old news, found by sheer accident when reading piece re: rms no longer using 'loonson' mips laptop on account of it having been pinched and no replacement could be had 1049093;1426099743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 135 @ 0.01350837 = 1.8236 BTC [-] {3} 1049094;1426100832;nubbins`;say, any thoughts on thin client laptops? 1049095;1426100982;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1049096;1426101727;ascii_field;nubbins`: thin client laptops ? 1049097;1426101816;nubbins`;like, say, chromebooks 1049098;1426101817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 240 @ 0.01339666 = 3.2152 BTC [-] {2} 1049099;1426101823;ascii_field;!s chromebook 1049100;1426101824;assbot;11 results for 'chromebook' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chromebook 1049101;1426101854;ascii_field;i bought the one with exynos 'arm' chip, it's gathering dust. there is not enough published chipset info to run a proper os on it 1049102;1426101882;ascii_field;(the only distro where -all- of the hardware works, incl. suspend mode, is google's gpl-violating gentoo fork that ships with it) 1049103;1426101901;trinque;old cheap thinkpads? 1049104;1426101907;ascii_field;the runner up, and afaik only other working os, is 'arch' - which is systemd-infested 1049105;1426101954;ascii_field;trinque: with a few exceptions (toshiba's miniature 'libretto' and similar) i am not particularly fond of ancient laptops - they tend to be bulky and have irreparably decayed batteries 1049106;1426101967;ascii_field;lcd backlight tubes fade, also (but these one can generally find replacements for) 1049107;1426102003;ascii_field;in this discussion i'm making the assumption that you intend to actually work with the machine - rather than, say, using for pgp 1049108;1426102009;nubbins`;yeah 1049109;1426102024;trinque;ascii_field: does not seem that there are any good choices to be made 1049110;1426102042;trinque;if it's actually "thin" though, its job might just be terminals and ssh 1049111;1426102050;trinque;and have an *bsd box somewhere else 1049112;1426102051;nubbins`;thin-esque 1049113;1426102102;trinque;in my dreams there's an e-ink terminals-only device with an ethernet port and hardware rng 1049114;1426102124;ascii_field;e-ink sucks even compared to teletype 1049115;1426102126;ascii_field;refreshwise 1049116;1426102140;nubbins`;i have a kobo e-reader that i'm pretty sure i could ssh on 1049117;1426102149;nubbins`;but yes, it's absolutely brutal to, say, type five characters. 1049118;1426102159;nubbins`;flip a page every couple minutes? no sweat 1049119;1426102162;ascii_field;best cure is to obtain, e.g., 'amazon kindle', jailbreak, enlinuxate, and actually try it 1049120;1426102164;nubbins`;enter a wifi password? get out 1049121;1426102165;ascii_field;you'll see what i mean. 1049122;1426102182;trinque;in my dreams, of course, eink does not suck 1049123;1426102196;trinque;also my harem numbers 5000 and I rule earth 1049124;1426102237;*;danielpbarron is very good at using ssh terminal on iphone 1049125;1426102259;nubbins`;i only yesterday tried this, no joke 1049126;1426102274;nubbins`;speaking of kobo, i should charge that thing 1049127;1426102294;danielpbarron;i've kept up with some very fast paced arguments using only my thumbs 1049128;1426102304;*;nubbins` wanders off to read 1049129;1426102467;danielpbarron;i don't recommend getting a iphone strictly for this purpose though; it's just a nice bonus if you already have one 1049130;1426104348;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i can't code in ssh terminal on iphone tho unfortunately. 1049131;1426104356;thestringpuller;it's a bit much to thumb code 1049132;1426104385;danielpbarron;yeah that's not so fun 1049133;1426104472;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/mystery-startup-allegedly-raises-funds/ 1049134;1426104486;danielpbarron;probably a good thing; anything worth using should probably only be coded on a setup similar to what i've heard asciilifeform describe 1049135;1426104534;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1049136;1426105192;mike_c;"He compares 21’s work in building bitcoin products for the general public to the sequential development of 56-kilobit Internet modems, international fiber cables and wireless Internet towers, which all helped bring the Internet into people’s homes in the late 1990s." 1049137;1426105199;mike_c;their working on the pogo build! 1049138;1426105202;mike_c;*they're 1049139;1426105477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00033226 = 12.4265 BTC [-] {3} 1049140;1426105729;ascii_field;116mil 'mystery startup' << expect to see $maxint of this. usg will build malicious 'wallets' and other mainstreamadoptatron crap for all-comers 1049141;1426105819;ascii_field;expect also to see 'siliconized' versions of gavincoin sold at massive discount and 'dropped from airplane' etc 1049142;1426105888;ascii_field;the buggers got the message that purely spreadshit-based shenanigans don't have the desired 'bang' 1049143;1426105918;ascii_field;so they're moving on to, well, the actual game. 1049144;1426106209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00033674 = 3.3001 BTC [+] 1049145;1426106498;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1049146;1426106759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 80 @ 0.014 = 1.12 BTC [+] 1049147;1426106908;mircea_popescu;!up RetroUpriser 1049148;1426106927;mircea_popescu;mike_c who's "21" ? 1049149;1426106932;RetroUpriser;Hello 1049150;1426106936;mircea_popescu;hi 1049151;1426106939;mike_c;21 inc is the new $116 million startup 1049152;1426107003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00033003 = 6.7161 BTC [-] 1049153;1426107023;davout;my read on 21 is "some bitcoin noob that happens to be fiat rich rounded a couple of other rich buddies, and wants to fix bitcoin" 1049154;1426107028;mircea_popescu;so a thing that did no work is actually compared to the few things that did work selected out of the large set of things that also did work by the criteria that they survived ? 1049155;1426107054;mircea_popescu;very smart. by this reading, the grime on these peoples' bathtubs is like a mouse : almost a life form, and one that didn't go extinct, either. 1049156;1426107056;mircea_popescu;davout quite. 1049157;1426107072;ascii_field;nobody in usa gets to so much as look with one eye at 112mil usd without a gauleiter reviewing it 1049158;1426107126;mircea_popescu;ascii_field anyway, this scurrying to coinbase and mysterymeat is a good indicator of a) how painful the crushing of shitvin shitdressen was and b) how scary #bitcoin-terrorists actually is. 1049159;1426107171;davout;lol, now i'm forever_alone.jpg in #bitcoin-terrorists 1049160;1426107188;ascii_field;if they're feeling pain, it's a secret from me 1049161;1426107202;mike_c;did the fork happen? 1049162;1426107204;ascii_field;what does printing an extra 112m cost them? 1049163;1426107226;ascii_field;one fewer 'f16' ? 1049164;1426107228;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the humiliation that 112mn is trying to assuage and can never be assuaged is the issue. 1049165;1426107239;mircea_popescu;always the impotence is the issue, never the neurosis attendant. 1049166;1426107263;mircea_popescu;mike_c i see 347214. 1049167;1426107375;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049033 << poor polyanna boring, she had imagined she has something. as if the us isn't chock full of dumb 50yo cunts some petreus or other is trying to promote to "ambassadoirships" 1049168;1426107375;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 16:32:19; pete_dushenski: “following the humiliating CFTC episode, Blythe [Masters] disappeared completely from the public radar. Now, with a one year delay, she has finally reappeared… re-emerged as chief executive of the Bitcoin startup, Digital Asset Holdings.†1049169;1426107379;ascii_field;when usg officials start vanishing from the stage because no longer can pay bills, rather than folks like moiety disappearing from our ranks - then we know, yes, victory 1049170;1426107392;mircea_popescu;ascii_field we're ahead on that score then. 1049171;1426107400;thestringpuller;whatever happened to moiety? 1049172;1426107404;ascii_field;just pointing out that we've not taken berlin yet. 1049173;1426107407;thestringpuller;did derps scare her off? 1049174;1426107412;mike_c;i think she went broke.. 1049175;1426107419;ascii_field;thestringpuller: went br0k3 1049176;1426107427;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049040 << if you think bitbet's not liquid you have a serious problem on your hands. 1049177;1426107427;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 16:38:37; wangxinxi: mircea_popescu it’s possible to hedge. but it seems not very liquid. so it’s a bit difficult in practice. 1049178;1426107438;thestringpuller;ascii_field: that's cause you wouldn't give her duffle of benjies! 1049179;1426107476;mircea_popescu;it's very weird, this psychology of the failed entrepreneur. he comes here with a 100 btc problem, is given a solution that can and historically has covered 1000s.\ 1049180;1426107498;mike_c;investors in US follow silicon valley like the midwest follows new york fashion. Now that they are pouring money into these startups, it could be a feeding frenzy kind of year. 1049181;1426107499;mircea_popescu;the catch being that in order to avail himself of it, he has to give up some shard of his entrepreneurial delusion, and instead buckle down and work like a honest man. 1049182;1426107501;mircea_popescu;this is too much. 1049183;1426107509;mircea_popescu;mike_c fosho. 1049184;1426107510;ascii_field;thestringpuller: first i'd have to dig one up myself 1049185;1426107532;mircea_popescu;the sort of usd rain we're going to see here has not yet seen before, and will not be seen afterwards. 1049186;1426107562;mike_c;i used to enjoy marking the bull run by when MPOE had to update its strike prices. can we bring that back this year? :) 1049187;1426107590;mircea_popescu;haha. well, we'd need an actual exchange first. 1049188;1426107618;mike_c;ah, yes. not to worry, the winklevii are almost done with that. 1049189;1426107624;mircea_popescu;"mit's expo" ? 1049190;1426107630;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this. 1049191;1426107649;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: bezzlacademia's hooked up and at full revv now 1049192;1426107669;mircea_popescu;anyway, lulzy to me is the part where these schmucks have gone from claiming "unanimity" three months ago to claiming "majority" a month ago" to claiming... parity, today. 1049193;1426107671;ascii_field;legitimacy-spraying the sc4mz0rz like in every other field 1049194;1426107689;mircea_popescu;at this rate by the end of the year they'll be claiming they exist and nobody'll be buying it. 1049195;1426107718;ascii_field;incidentally, (may have mentioned this in the past) - 'mit press' is among the clearest possible illustrations of what happened to american academia in past 20 yrs 1049196;1426107728;ascii_field;(look at the book catalogue then, vs. now) 1049197;1426107735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24118 @ 0.00033819 = 8.1565 BTC [+] {3} 1049198;1426107746;mircea_popescu;anyway, the idea that i'm not invited to give talks about how to ruin bitcoin to fucking cia is not the worst credential ever. 1049199;1426107791;mircea_popescu;not so much because they don't think i could figure out a way, but for the more obviously blunt reason that they correctly realise that if i give them a trojan horse they wouldn't have the intellectual werewithal to spot it. 1049200;1426108125;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049105 << on the battery score, i dunno wtf weird planet that is, but you can get chinese replicas of any battery in large bulk. 1049201;1426108125;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 19:25:54; ascii_field: trinque: with a few exceptions (toshiba's miniature 'libretto' and similar) i am not particularly fond of ancient laptops - they tend to be bulky and have irreparably decayed batteries 1049202;1426108130;mircea_popescu;they work splendidly.' 1049203;1426108182;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049123 << no historical harem got that large. 1049204;1426108182;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 19:29:56; trinque: also my harem numbers 5000 and I rule earth 1049205;1426108192;trinque;dreams! 1049206;1426108192;mircea_popescu;generally a harem ceases to function over about 50 heads or so. 1049207;1426108200;trinque;har-army? 1049208;1426108212;mircea_popescu;but what sort of dreams! you wouldn't even know most of the hetairai 1049209;1426108223;trinque;man I dunno, I was just saying old ThinkPads are cool 1049210;1426108248;mircea_popescu;then what's all this stuff about small penises and pigmen ? 1049211;1426108259;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you can get chinese replicas of any battery in large bulk << raw cells - yes. the charge controller, with its parameter rom calibrated to those cells for correct discharge curve - no. 1049212;1426108282;trinque;mircea_popescu: LOL, that'll teach me to discuss my dreams here 1049213;1426108285;mircea_popescu;ascii_field no i mean the whole shebang, in a plastic casing to match original. 1049214;1426108298;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i've bought 5 types or so, all crud 1049215;1426108298;mircea_popescu;i have three dozen for my old ibm thinkpads. 1049216;1426108303;ascii_field;aha thinkpads sure 1049217;1426108308;ascii_field;but something more obscure - no. 1049218;1426108319;mircea_popescu;they have it all. find a chinese person. 1049219;1426108321;ascii_field;plus they tend to sit on shelves for years, and Li ion rots in storage 1049220;1426108322;mircea_popescu;they even have the cure for baldness. 1049221;1426108331;ascii_field;and yes from china, from where else 1049222;1426108396;dignork;!up ascii_field 1049223;1426108430;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: separate problem is that, typically, none of these machines had decent battery run even when the cells were new... 1049224;1426108441;mircea_popescu;well there is that. nutty design energetically 1049225;1426108450;ascii_field;thank intel 1049226;1426108643;ascii_field;incidentally, and i've not seen this observation made elsewhere, but i noticed that laptop mechanical build quality went to shit around the time they stopped costing what a decent used car cost. 1049227;1426108663;ascii_field;there was a pretty clear 'phase change' some time around 2000 1049228;1426108670;mircea_popescu;i think it's related to advances in plastics. once they went fully injected everyone stopped caring. 1049229;1426108679;mircea_popescu;there's this thing that happens once something becomes "a solved problem". 1049230;1426108680;ascii_field;e.g., toshiba's 'libretto' cost ~$6k 1049231;1426108689;mircea_popescu;that something is, buncha smart kids leave, buncha women move in. 1049232;1426108711;ascii_field;'the men build, the women inhabit' - al schwartz 1049233;1426108747;ascii_field;when the machines turned 'disposable', they stopped having, among other things, steel skeleton 1049234;1426108759;ascii_field;or a proper latch 1049235;1426108768;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1049236;1426108773;ascii_field;(and 50 other supposedly-'optional' items) 1049237;1426108894;trinque;while we're veering towards the "there are no computers" topic, what's wrong with the idea of doing a little lisp-running raspberry pi competitor as a toe-hold into the computer making business? 1049238;1426108906;ascii_field;trinque: what's wrong << everything 1049239;1426108917;thestringpuller;ascii_field: is just a h8er 1049240;1426108951;trinque;no one once ever worked his way into a market 1049241;1426108976;ascii_field;trinque: and let's sell candy made from 9 parts sugar to 1 part turd 1049242;1426108982;ascii_field;'work into market' by reducing turd % 1049243;1426109012;thestringpuller;one mans turd, another fly's delicacy 1049244;1426109016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29473 @ 0.00034403 = 10.1396 BTC [+] {3} 1049245;1426109016;ascii_field;nope 1049246;1426109091;ascii_field;selling turd where c-machine abstraction stack continuously leaks into the supposed 'lisp' - is pure sc4mz4tr0nix 1049247;1426109095;thestringpuller;ascii_field: "this is a turd free zone" 1049248;1426109179;trinque;ascii_field: there are almost limitless tiers of potential products between hfcs and actual food 1049249;1426109194;ascii_field;trinque: but before you can even have this line of thought, find a stock chipset to which you can even port 'minix' without -any- blobs or -any- detectable dysfunction 1049250;1426109275;trinque;there are plenty of people out there that don't give a shit about the blobs 1049251;1426109288;trinque;why not sell something to them with the intent of removing said poo 1049252;1426109299;trinque;in n iterations 1049253;1426109316;trinque;whether they *should* care is another question 1049254;1426109320;ascii_field;trinque: wake me up when this has actually happened, anywhere, ever. 1049255;1426109333;thestringpuller;trinque: you ever try removing poo from your food so its edible? 1049256;1426109342;ascii_field;in practice 'it works, fuck you, we're practical people, go away' and blob stays 1049257;1426109344;trinque;thestringpuller: I don't need to discuss the details of the metaphor 1049258;1426109384;trinque;ascii_field: so don't have those people involved in the decision 1049259;1426109390;trinque;you're CEO of deturdatronix 1049260;1426109405;thestringpuller;~_~ ya 1049261;1426109420;ascii_field;trinque: you're talking about reverse-engineering, a la nvidia driver, xilinx (see old thread, etc.) 1049262;1426109425;ascii_field;do you know how it usually ends? 1049263;1426109431;ascii_field;by the time you have something usable, chip is out of print 1049264;1426109432;trinque;ascii_field: why does it need a GPU? 1049265;1426109433;ascii_field;permanently 1049266;1426109438;ascii_field;didn't say it needed gpu per se 1049267;1426109449;ascii_field;just bringing up well-known example of this kind of process 1049268;1426109454;trinque;I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port 1049269;1426109464;trinque;start absurdly stupid 1049270;1426109473;ascii_field;buncha folks spend years picking apart the vendor's driver (mind you, this tells nothing about hidden functionality in the silicon) 1049271;1426109486;ascii_field;and when the product is something like ready to use in life - bam. 1049272;1426109496;trinque;I'm sure you're right about that 1049273;1426109497;ascii_field;chip is out of print, and next version is quite deliberately incompatible. 1049274;1426109503;ascii_field;don't take my word for it! 1049275;1426109503;trinque;but then I'd just say aim for something dumber 1049276;1426109514;ascii_field;trinque: let's hear the actual part #s 1049277;1426109519;ascii_field;suggest a chip 1049278;1426109531;ascii_field;that you would like to see starring in this film, so to speak 1049279;1426109538;ascii_field;brb 1049280;1426109578;chetty;isn't the new apple watch thing planned that way? chip is not replaceable 1049281;1426109633;trinque;here's the opportunity I see; maybe I'm wrong 1049282;1426109651;trinque;all these shitty boards like the rpi are going to be making their way into all kinds of "smart" products 1049283;1426109664;trinque;they're all going to get hacked and fucked with like it's 90s windows all over again 1049284;1426109695;trinque;meanwhile some plucky upstart builds something really dumb, like my ethernet light switch 1049285;1426109715;trinque;understands the thing the whole way through, demonstrates its superiority against everything that's been ravaged by hax 1049286;1426109765;trinque;maybe version 5 of the thing gets a USB port 1049287;1426109809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31840 @ 0.00033707 = 10.7323 BTC [-] 1049288;1426110502;mircea_popescu;<trinque> I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port << this is kinda how this process is going as is. hence the cardano. 1049289;1426110570;mircea_popescu;and you know exactly how it'll go : the usg horde will derp their derpage, most idiots of the jwz ilk will "not want to pick the political bone" and so on and so forth. 1049290;1426110589;mircea_popescu;nttawwt, but don't imagine slaves come to sense through any process that doesn't involve clubbing them into the dirt. 1049291;1426110682;danielpbarron;!up julmac 1049292;1426110723;cazalla;trinque: where key is your gpg public key <<< for some reason i thought i read bot imported pub key from wot, my bad 1049293;1426110800;mircea_popescu;better this way, the less the sks servers are involved the better. 1049294;1426110811;cazalla;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/35V6CJB.txt 1049295;1426110812;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MswsAl ) 1049296;1426110871;cazalla;deedbot- add-key dpaste.com/35V6CJB.txt 1049297;1426110936;cazalla;so do i include the : ? deedbot- pm'd me with "Bad URL or network outage" 1049298;1426110948;cazalla;ah dw, imported 1049299;1426111054;trinque;!up deedbot- 1049300;1426111076;trinque;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/35V6CJB.txt 1049301;1426111077;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EALBk0 ) 1049302;1426111080;cazalla;trinque, forgot about upping the thing, i'm hung over :) 1049303;1426111088;trinque;nbd, maybe it's misbehaving? 1049304;1426111126;cazalla;i'll just stick to pm'ing it so that i can throw a bunch of commands until i get what it is i need and no-one here will be the wiser 1049305;1426111139;deedbot-;imported: FD9FB3F73B5AE8499A02F0C521B9818A468F4AD0 1049306;1426111236;trinque;looks like just being slow 1049307;1426111334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51650 @ 0.00033707 = 17.4097 BTC [-] 1049308;1426111688;trinque;cazalla: yeah it's running butt slow 1049309;1426111704;trinque;I'll look into that, meanwhile let me know if it ever eats your deed 1049310;1426112074;trinque;it's strange, the load average on the box is 0.24 1049311;1426112127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00034396 = 8.3238 BTC [+] 1049312;1426112737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7142 @ 0.00034396 = 2.4566 BTC [+] 1049313;1426112981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00034396 = 5.8473 BTC [+] 1049314;1426113164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.00034829 = 27.8632 BTC [+] {4} 1049315;1426114140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00035089 = 1.965 BTC [+] {2} 1049316;1426114384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00035202 = 18.8683 BTC [+] 1049317;1426114689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00033707 = 3.91 BTC [-] 1049318;1426114984;danielpbarron;fyi the "blue" pogo (the one that doesn't have sata port) is works just like the purple one would if installing to a SD card 1049319;1426115007;danielpbarron;in that if you have instructions that work for the purple one, the will also work for the blue one 1049320;1426116075;mircea_popescu;http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/03/08/kenyan-lawyer-sue-isreal-for-killing-jesus/ 1049321;1426116075;assbot;Kenyan Lawyer Sue Isreal For Killing Jesus | JEWSNEWS ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcNmBg ) 1049322;1426116076;mircea_popescu;dat site. 1049323;1426116323;davout;bwhaha 1049324;1426116336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00034982 = 3.4807 BTC [+] 1049325;1426116555;jurov;should have implied vatican, it incorporated roman laws, too 1049326;1426116682;jurov;and eastern orhodox church even more so 1049327;1426116999;mircea_popescu;implicated ? 1049328;1426117117;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in ba http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/Urbanudismo-pasearon-desnudas-boedo-avril_x_0_1318668331.html 1049329;1426117119;assbot;Pasearon completamente desnudas por pleno Boedo ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcPxVu ) 1049330;1426117166;jurov;yes, implecated :) 1049331;1426117172;jurov;implicated 1049332;1426117191;mircea_popescu;hehe 1049333;1426117515;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#Press-list 1049334;1426117516;assbot;The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BsujTN ) 1049335;1426117584;BingoBoingo;^ thestringpuller 1049336;1426118622;jurov;BingoBoingo: would it be interesting for qntra how czech financial cops investigated bitcash.cz "theft"? 1049337;1426118669;BingoBoingo;jurov: Sure 1049338;1426119630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00035202 = 15.4185 BTC [+] 1049339;1426119652;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/0f0cffa45644dd67ee622259992191ab/tumblr_n1h3x5MeFW1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg to go with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__HPfmvaWRw 1049340;1426119653;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6bctz ) 1049341;1426119655;assbot;Kid Rock - Redneck Paradise (Remix) ft. Hank Williams Jr. [Music Video] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6bbG1 ) 1049342;1426119813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 110 @ 0.01460363 = 1.6064 BTC [+] {2} 1049343;1426119865;mircea_popescu;(pete will no doubt notice that ALL THE VEHICLES ARE MERCEDES_ 1049344;1426120197;decimation;https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150310/15522730277/california-proposes-bill-to-ban-all-unlicensed-bitcoin-businesses-without-even-defining-what-that-means.shtml < lol 1049345;1426120199;assbot;California Proposes Bill To Ban All Unlicensed Bitcoin Businesses, Without Even Defining What That Means | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6cqFd ) 1049346;1426120233;decimation;banks, gov't, etc are 'exempt' of course 1049347;1426120483;trinque;decimation: eh more like "one member of the california legislature proposes" 1049348;1426120496;trinque;still pretty fucked 1049349;1426120500;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1049350;1426120501;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 296.71, Best ask: 296.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 296.89, 24 hour volume: 25417.80268383, 24 hour low: 291.0, 24 hour high: 298.75, 24 hour vwap: None 1049351;1426121637;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch 1049352;1426121641;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Jurov: http://qntra.net/2015/03/czech-ministry-fingers-heist-suspect/ 1049353;1426121646;mircea_popescu;decimation lol 1049354;1426121669;mircea_popescu;kinda goes a long way to show the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you. 1049355;1426121900;mircea_popescu;wait, by now gribble does bitfinex only ? lol. 1049356;1426122073;jurov;;;ticker --market all 1049357;1426122087;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 295.0, vol: 6849.16021121 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 293.469, vol: 11302.18543 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 295.89, vol: 25132.70245094 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 295.403478, vol: 162128.90550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 296.93748, vol: 36.80919596 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 294.4287, vol: 95.69692435 | Volume-weighted last average: 295.34297304 1049358;1426122101;jurov;dunno how it chooses, by volume? 1049359;1426122137;mircea_popescu;amusingly, btcchina has what, 70-80% of all volume 1049360;1426122538;BingoBoingo;!up stunna 1049361;1426122570;*;BingoBoingo surprised no one's commenting on Jurov being in line for his own s.qntr shares 1049362;1426122675;mircea_popescu;i thought it was pretty cool. 1049363;1426122741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60650 @ 0.00034511 = 20.9309 BTC [-] {2} 1049364;1426122924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45978 @ 0.00035287 = 16.2243 BTC [+] {2} 1049365;1426122985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21922 @ 0.00035338 = 7.7468 BTC [+] 1049366;1426123296;decimation;re: the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you. < yes, this is noted. every day reveals a bit more of its true self, if only in its fantasies 1049367;1426123316;asciilifeform;xerxes whips the sea, snore. 1049368;1426123319;decimation;related: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/march/11/the-intellectual-as-servant-of-the-state/ 1049369;1426123322;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed29f4 ) 1049370;1426123336;decimation;^ author of the above was in army, had a son in the army, son died in iraq 1049371;1426123352;asciilifeform;decimation: https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/TreasonV3.HTM << related 1049372;1426123354;assbot;Treason of the Intellectuals, Volume 3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed2e2r ) 1049373;1426123356;decimation;he is now on a krazy korner railing against usg 1049374;1426123373;decimation;yet he has given his life and his own son in service of usg, and accomplished nothing 1049375;1426123390;decimation;reminds me of that tlp piece about hating the system so much you want it to like you 1049376;1426123401;asciilifeform;and of course, the obligatory lenin, 'intellectual is not his nation's head, but its arse' 1049377;1426123409;asciilifeform;(TM) 1049378;1426123416;mircea_popescu;ahaha treason of the intellectuals verbiage, srlsy ?! 1049379;1426123418;decimation;heh yeah that is related 1049380;1426123425;mircea_popescu;dude, la revolucion is so fucking banal. always the same moves. 1049381;1426123502;mircea_popescu;decimation this is the so called stupid wife paradox. it goes like this : when she's young she thumbs her nose at submission, because hey, she's not "that kind of girl". so she finds a husband instead, spends two-three decades discovering that it's a rotten deal, then gets to live with teh regret. 1049382;1426123509;mircea_popescu;youth wasted on the young and all that. 1049383;1426123538;decimation;mircea_popescu: of course the french philosophes pretty much founded the 'revolutionary intellectual' archetype 1049384;1426123563;mircea_popescu;depends how you count the greek sophist. 1049385;1426123578;mircea_popescu;or the byzantine byzantine. or the medieval courtier. 1049386;1426123594;mircea_popescu;look into the abomination of "courtly love" to see 1100ad shitgnomism en fleur. 1049387;1426123626;decimation;yeah, but the french revolution is a clean presentation of the modern 'revolutionary intellectual' and the consequences if he gains power 1049388;1426123657;mircea_popescu;certainly more amply documented in "not dead" languages. 1049389;1426123679;decimation;heh yeah 1049390;1426123693;asciilifeform;hey folks still speak occitan and languadoc 1049391;1426123696;asciilifeform;*languedoc 1049392;1426123711;decimation;plus the history of the french revolution is still shrouded by those who have a stake in its outcome 1049393;1426123722;asciilifeform;obligatory deng xiaoping here... 1049394;1426123726;mircea_popescu;hence the scare quotes 1049395;1426123749;mircea_popescu;heck, folks still speak greek. and it's certainly more mutually intelligible with classical greek than current english with high english. 1049396;1426123757;asciilifeform;irrc it was him who was asked 'was fr. rev. a good idea?' answered 'too early to say' 1049397;1426123758;decimation;or low german 1049398;1426123777;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you like living fossilization, visit iceland 1049399;1426123782;decimation;english arose because some retarded vikings living in the netherlands couldn't speak german 1049400;1426123791;asciilifeform;more or less bug-for-bug compatibility with classical norse 1049401;1426123797;mircea_popescu;decimation plattdeustch is still spoken, like idish 1049402;1426123817;decimation;yeah, germany still hasn't steamrolled all of its accents 1049403;1426123820;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: believe or not - there are idish newspapers in usa. 1049404;1426123830;mircea_popescu;i used to know a guy publishing one 1049405;1426123834;mircea_popescu;meanwhile dead, bu anyway 1049406;1426123880;mircea_popescu;but anyway, anyone guess what "hron rade" denotes, in "english" ? 1049407;1426123923;decimation;honarary? 1049408;1426123939;decimation;heh honorary 1049409;1426123948;mircea_popescu;(i'll help by pointing out that alf's device in discussing xerxes is structurally similar but stylistically very indicative of the changes in society since then) 1049410;1426124010;asciilifeform;hey what can i do in barbaric tongue 1049411;1426124012;mircea_popescu;anyway : "the sea" is the hellespont (which is what xerxes ordered flogged) in the same way hron (whale's) rade (road) is the sea. 1049412;1426124026;mircea_popescu;one's categorical symbolization, the other's a kenning. 1049413;1426124047;decimation;kenning as in kennelernen? 1049414;1426124052;asciilifeform;everyone who likes kennings, straight to norse book, 'do not pass go, do not collect 200' 1049415;1426124056;mircea_popescu;as in this poetic device 1049416;1426124066;mircea_popescu;;;google kenning site:trilema.com 1049417;1426124067;gribble;Decembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: 1049418;1426124083;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/kenning-si-rhyming-slang/ ere we go. 1049419;1426124084;assbot;Kenning si rhyming slang pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed3Glu ) 1049420;1426124090;asciilifeform;http://kip-w.livejournal.com/215011.html << absolutely obligatory re: kennings 1049421;1426124091;assbot;Varnish Error 503 Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed3GSk ) 1049422;1426124095;asciilifeform;mega-classic 1049423;1426124108;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone know how cockney got to be called that ? 1049424;1426124118;decimation;kennenlernen means 'familiarity' in german 1049425;1426124127;mircea_popescu;decimation learning by similarity something 1049426;1426124134;decimation;wasn't there a certain church bell 1049427;1426124140;mircea_popescu;nope. 1049428;1426124167;mircea_popescu;the story is, that a london redditard (poor kid from periphery) visited some peasant family once 1049429;1426124193;mircea_popescu;which was impressive to him, because a) they had food and b) good living conditions (as compared to shitlondon of the time) 1049430;1426124200;mircea_popescu;but especially c) all sorts of weird exotic shit. 1049431;1426124223;mircea_popescu;so one time when a horse neighed, he got all scared. but the farmer told him to relax, horse just does that, it's called neighing and it never killed anyone. 1049432;1426124241;mircea_popescu;time for bed, and in the early morning a very morose londoner sat with his breakfast. 1049433;1426124247;mircea_popescu;"s'thematter, couldn't sleep any ?" 1049434;1426124257;mircea_popescu;"holy shit all these cocks neighing!" 1049435;1426124269;decimation;heh 1049436;1426124273;asciilifeform;'Down came good Freya, frowning at Fúfu. / Said she to the warren-born: "No worth I find / In your smiting of cheese-thieves. Smirk not, but obey me...' 1049437;1426124283;asciilifeform;^ mega-k3nn1ngz 1049438;1426124296;mircea_popescu;cats ? 1049439;1426124314;asciilifeform;(from earlier link) 1049440;1426124350;decimation;yeah it's the same root https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kennen#German "From Old High German kennan, from Proto-Germanic *kannijanÄ… (“to knowâ€). Cognate to English ken (“knowledge, understandingâ€)." 1049441;1426124352;assbot;kennen - Wiktionary ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed4dUq ) 1049442;1426124421;mircea_popescu;it is. 1049443;1426124468;mircea_popescu;btw, re "useful idiots", anyone actually read Mona Charen ? 1049444;1426124474;asciilifeform;'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.' 1049445;1426124482;asciilifeform;engl. has 'ken' 1049446;1426124499;asciilifeform;or perhaps not quite modern engl. but hey whatddayawant 1049447;1426124520;decimation;I want an original "PIE" dictionary 1049448;1426124632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25778 @ 0.00035313 = 9.103 BTC [-] {2} 1049449;1426124682;asciilifeform;http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Farmer-MusaPedestris/bing-out-bien-morts.html << but also from twain 'prince&pauper' 1049450;1426124683;assbot;Bing Out, Bien Morts (Canting Songs) ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3cocm ) 1049451;1426124693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15554 @ 0.00035398 = 5.5058 BTC [+] 1049452;1426124712;asciilifeform;(i don't know anyone who didn't first run into it in p&p) 1049453;1426124839;mircea_popescu;"In Western democracies, even in the U.S. where the hostility to regulation is greatest, there is a vast amount of central decision-making, but day to day decisions are left to market forces. A lot of the regulation - everything from bolt threads to type fonts - is carried out by tens of thousands of standardization agreements worked out by the industries involved. The solutions that arise aren't always optimal, but th 1049454;1426124839;mircea_popescu;ey usually end up being workable. After two decades of fumbling, we have settled on a de facto standard for computer operating systems. It has imperfections - some serious - but it generally works. Imagine being saddled with a computer architecture defined by some central planning committee in 1983. At about that time, someone in the U.S. Government realized with horror that all the standardization agreements mentioned 1049455;1426124839;mircea_popescu; above were being made and enforced with no government oversight. So the Government convened some hearings. The unanimous consensus, even by Ralph Nader, was that attempting to regulate this process was an invitation to chaos. " 1049456;1426124853;mircea_popescu;lawl. this guy misread so much of recent history i'm giving up on reading it. 1049457;1426124969;asciilifeform;phun phakt: usg really did come out with a 'standard' cpu! 1049458;1426124973;asciilifeform;around same time as ada '83 1049459;1426124983;asciilifeform;the only present-day manufacturers are chinese 1049460;1426125004;asciilifeform;(and are also the only, afaik, remaining users...) 1049461;1426125022;asciilifeform;'mil-std-1750a' for the curious. 1049462;1426125036;mircea_popescu;yup 1049463;1426125066;asciilifeform;so dead, was snipped from gcc 1049464;1426125181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6273 @ 0.00034181 = 2.1442 BTC [-] 1049465;1426125718;mod6;so i made some additional changes to the modified pogo script. anyone wanna help me test quick? I tested it myself, but it'd be cool if someone else can verify. 1049466;1426125755;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/blythe-masters-to-head-wall-street-invasion/ 1049467;1426125810;mod6;what's changed? 1) added some checks to see if boost,bdb,openssl are already built, if so, skip re-downloading & building 2) added a 'clean' command line parameter so you don't have to do this manually 1049468;1426125814;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A07gdeGX 1049469;1426125815;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed76Va ) 1049470;1426125837;asciilifeform;mod6: neato. incidentally that's what, traditionally, 'make' is for 1049471;1426125846;*;asciilifeform was simply too lazy to write a proper 'makefile' 1049472;1426125870;mod6;yup, it just simply utilizes the makefile. but this way a person only has to run `auto.sh` 1049473;1426125878;mod6;:] 1049474;1426125895;asciilifeform;'make' simply doesn't react well to being called from 'make'. 1049475;1426125904;asciilifeform;(why? because retarded, don't ask me) 1049476;1426125918;asciilifeform;that's why my orig. thing was a .sh 1049477;1426125948;mod6;yeah, makefiles are touchy 1049478;1426125989;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc 1049479;1426126020;asciilifeform;though it's kinda a sad joke 1049480;1426126058;asciilifeform;(compare 'physical settlement' in btc to gold, etc) 1049481;1426126104;mircea_popescu;"hook" is being generous. 1049482;1426126182;decimation;asciilifeform: if make is so terrible, why is it ubiquitous? 1049483;1426126215;decimation;it's not like it 'fits into the cpu' like C does 1049484;1426126227;mod6;so if you have a linux machine, and you want to help test, read this: http://dpaste.com/17V9VKB 1049485;1426126228;assbot;dpaste: 17V9VKB ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3eHft ) 1049486;1426126271;decimation;mod6: you could have enumerated in octal and saved a few characters :) 1049487;1426126336;mod6;fair. ;) 1049488;1426126356;asciilifeform;decimation: there are plenty of 'crackpot' alternatives ('cmake', 'bake', .... 1001 others) but guess what 1049489;1426126390;decimation;I kinda like scons 1049490;1426126397;decimation;shitgnomery? 1049491;1426126519;mircea_popescu;decimation no. jwzery. this attitude whereby one's excused from political involvement. 1049492;1426126533;mircea_popescu;"so what if make sucks, not like i have the responsibility to find and support an improvement. i just type here." 1049493;1426126618;mircea_popescu;"so the wife's a nag ? doesn't mean i /have to/ beat her until she desists. build mancave instead." on it goes. politicians are idiots ? self-appoint as "better than this" and that's that, work done. not like you have to shoot the bad politico if you can't vote him out. what, /have to/ ?! 1049494;1426126633;mircea_popescu;not the right sort of morals, these, that are actionable. gotta have some of a more theoretical sort. 1049495;1426126665;danielpbarron;mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/mod6.txt 1049496;1426126666;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3ffCe ) 1049497;1426126729;mod6;huh. 1049498;1426126734;mod6;thanks for testing 1049499;1426126744;mod6;ima invite you to #btcf 1049500;1426126773;mircea_popescu;o.O 1049501;1426126775;mircea_popescu;sikrits!~ 1049502;1426126796;mod6;we'll keep the noise outta here, unless you want ... NOISE :) 1049503;1426126803;decimation;i want the noise 1049504;1426126817;mircea_popescu;up to you. i dun think it's yet unwelcome. 1049505;1426126830;decimation;mircea_popescu: it's common in the us for a usg employee to regard himself as 'apolitical' because he wasn't elected 1049506;1426126844;mircea_popescu;well sure. 1049507;1426126866;mircea_popescu;what's it change tho. it's common for rapists to regard themselves as "good fathers" and so forth, because she was asking for it or w/e. 1049508;1426126868;mod6;ok... so. lets see here. i do think that ascii updated his key since then... 1049509;1426126887;mod6;but i don't ever get that error... although, someone else has seen it before iirc. 1049510;1426126890;asciilifeform;same modulus! 1049511;1426126892;decimation;mod6: i'm running into a bad sig error too 1049512;1426126902;decimation;virgin gpg db 1049513;1426126915;danielpbarron;oh i just realized that the script potentially uses a different key than the one i have stored 1049514;1426127000;mod6;it /shouldnt/ matter because it puts a .gnupg dir in the place where you run the script from. we didn't want it to diddle with your normal keyring in ~/ 1049515;1426127011;mod6;unless you ran it from ~/ 1049516;1426127029;mircea_popescu;;;ud cuckcake 1049517;1426127030;gribble;http://el.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuckcake | Η λέξηcuckcake δεν έχει οÏιστεί. ΜποÏείς να την οÏίσεις;. * Meaning. Τυχαία Λέξη. Μόδα. duff · bae · fuck boy · bdsm · cleveland steamer · dirty sanchez · angry ... 1049518;1426127031;mod6;did you guys make new dirs to build this stuff in? 1049519;1426127041;mircea_popescu;heh 1049520;1426127068;danielpbarron;yes 1049521;1426127106;mod6;what does `gpg --version` say? 1049522;1426127126;decimation;I'm using 2.0.14 (comes with centos 6) 1049523;1426127185;danielpbarron;gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26 1049524;1426127185;mod6;hmm, still, should be ok. i just re-ran on my side and got: >> Signature verified for bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig 1049525;1426127203;mod6;one sec. 1049526;1426127218;decimation;:signature packet: algo 1, keyid B98228A001ABFFC7 1049527;1426127302;mod6;what's weird to me... is that the log output that danielpbarron pasted, it says "good signature" 1049528;1426127318;danielpbarron;i checked it manually 1049529;1426127321;mod6;OH 1049530;1426127363;decimation;Importing public keys to .gnupg keyring... 1049531;1426127365;decimation;Verifing patch signatures.. 1049532;1426127366;decimation;Error! Possible bad signature on: 1049533;1426127368;decimation;~/bitcoin-v009/build/chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig 1049534;1426127371;asciilifeform;wat 1049535;1426127374;mod6;oh that wasn't from the log output. ok. i wonder why it would puke for you guys, but not for me... although, im running 1.4.10 1049536;1426127377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70849 @ 0.00035393 = 25.0756 BTC [+] 1049537;1426127395;decimation;asciilifeform: try it on your gentoo box 1049538;1426127438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24823 @ 0.00035394 = 8.7859 BTC [+] {2} 1049539;1426127480;mircea_popescu;you know it's be so great if someone made a client that auto-pastebinned 1049540;1426127482;mod6;i suppose it could be some weird regex failure... although, what danielpbarron pasted as a manual verify should have matched this: 1049541;1426127490;mod6;313 if($_ =~ /^.*Good signature.*$/) { 1049542;1426127499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93636 @ 0.00036156 = 33.855 BTC [+] {6} 1049543;1426127508;asciilifeform;b.sh: line 2: $'\r': command not found 1049544;1426127510;asciilifeform;and buncha similar. 1049545;1426127528;decimation;I get a buncha errors in the gpg_import.log 1049546;1426127539;mod6;can you post those decimation? 1049547;1426127549;mod6;asciilifeform: what script was that? 1049548;1426127555;asciilifeform;the one in question 1049549;1426127560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226241 @ 0.00036729 = 83.0961 BTC [+] {2} 1049550;1426127568;mod6;the perl script? 1049551;1426127572;asciilifeform;sh 1049552;1426127585;decimation;http://dpaste.com/2141VBQ 1049553;1426127586;assbot;dpaste: 2141VBQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3gCk8 ) 1049554;1426127597;asciilifeform;does not run at all on my box 1049555;1426127599;mod6;oh we're all discussing them pulling down the patch files, verifing the patch sigs and patching the base code 1049556;1426127608;mod6;(build-v009.pl) 1049557;1426127611;asciilifeform;i mean, my 'sh' won't swallow it. 1049558;1426127613;trinque;that it's $HOME maybe? 1049559;1426127620;trinque;gpg is fouling up not finding the keyring 1049560;1426127623;asciilifeform;Ah 1049561;1426127630;decimation;it's a little weird to use $HOME that isn't $HOME 1049562;1426127630;asciilifeform;there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing 1049563;1426127631;asciilifeform;WTF 1049564;1426127650;mod6;decimation: fair. i'll change that next time through. 1049565;1426127651;asciilifeform;did 'pastebin' crap that in ? 1049566;1426127666;asciilifeform;there's CR LF's in there 1049567;1426127680;decimation;lol in my dpaste? 1049568;1426127682;*;asciilifeform pronounced fatwa on 'pastebin' 1049569;1426127688;mod6;root@debian-test:/home/mod6/build-test-3# xxd build-v009.pl | grep "0d0a" 1049570;1426127690;asciilifeform;in http://dpaste.com/2141VBQ 1049571;1426127691;assbot;dpaste: 2141VBQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3gCk8 ) 1049572;1426127691;mod6;root@debian-test:/home/mod6/build-test-3# 1049573;1426127694;mod6;yeah, must be pastebin :/ 1049574;1426127695;mod6;sorry 1049575;1426127706;asciilifeform;dos2unix fixes. 1049576;1426127716;asciilifeform;but let all remember. 1049577;1426127731;decimation;asciilifeform: everything feels free to mangle a passing cr I guess 1049578;1426127741;mod6;i use pastebin more often because it does forever-pastes .. guess.. i just have to set dpaste for a year 1049579;1426127742;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901052 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901055 1049580;1426127742;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people 1049581;1426127742;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits 1049582;1426127759;trinque;^LOL 1049583;1426127760;mod6;:] 1049584;1426127763;decimation;^also randomly insert chars 1049585;1426127803;asciilifeform;so far the deps are grinding 1049586;1426127830;mod6;decimation: huh, just looked at that error. must be something with 2.x version i'll have to fix0r. 1049587;1426127842;mod6;can you change expiry on that guy for like 1 year? 1049588;1426127849;decimation;yeah obviously some kind of permission problem 1049589;1426127852;decimation;for the dpaste? 1049590;1426127855;mod6;plz 1049591;1426127867;decimation;done 1049592;1426127895;mircea_popescu;!up p15 1049593;1426127909;mod6;if you run it again and you don't have $FULL_CLEAN set to "TRUE", you'll need to delete ~/build/.gnupg manually. 1049594;1426127943;mircea_popescu;* asciilifeform pronounced fatwa on 'pastebin' << kakobrekla said we're supposed to use dpaste. 1049595;1426127949;mod6;ugh. anyway, i was hoping this would be the /easy/ part and we could actually test the part that needs testing lol. 1049596;1426127960;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A07gdeGX << and i meant this 1049597;1426127961;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BymQRE ) 1049598;1426127963;asciilifeform;not the output 1049599;1426127972;asciilifeform;but that was probably clear. 1049600;1426127991;asciilifeform;betcha 'dpaste' takes a fat shit in there all the same 1049601;1426128002;asciilifeform;but somebody test if want to 1049602;1426128034;asciilifeform;it's building 'openssl' on my box now. and probably will for a few hrs, it's a slow box 1049603;1426128096;decimation;mod6: I set $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE" and it didn't do anything different 1049604;1426128108;decimation;I blew away build/.gnupg 1049605;1426128109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71419 @ 0.00036213 = 25.863 BTC [-] {3} 1049606;1426128110;mod6;here's that same script in dpaste: http://dpaste.com/36249E3 1049607;1426128111;assbot;dpaste: 36249E3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3hQft ) 1049608;1426128132;mod6;decimation: ok. that's fine. not sure what it's deal is. 1049609;1426128145;mod6;thanks for giving it a shot. 1049610;1426128150;decimation;no problem 1049611;1426128170;decimation;it's probably a good idea to get it working on centos6 because that's pretty much the 'amazon linux' shit 1049612;1426128191;mod6;eh, all around it's not much of an issue with the perl script, because no one will run that ever anyway. 1049613;1426128220;mod6;i'll use it to patch the source code, then i'll bundle up the release. 1049614;1426128272;mod6;everyone will start with an already patched codebase, unless they want to patch it manually or wrestle with one of the 2 scripts we have for this purpose 1049615;1426128304;mod6;it seems, everyone has a mixed bag so it's hard to account for all of that i think. 1049616;1426128319;decimation;yeah cross-platform is a pain in the ass 1049617;1426128433;mod6;asciilifeform: this is the correct key to pull for you right? 1049618;1426128434;mod6;http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB98228A001ABFFC7 1049619;1426128434;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0xb98228a001abffc7 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3iedJ ) 1049620;1426128585;mod6;decimation: anyway, it totally works fine for me on my aws machine. 1049621;1426128634;mod6;oh, i guess im running a deb6 ami up there. 1049622;1426128640;decimation;lemme try 1049623;1426128645;mod6;and yeah, im using gpg 1.4.10 there too 1049624;1426128681;mod6;so centos6 might have issues if gpg 2.x, so maybe i just need to get my head out of my ass and add some code for that. 1049625;1426128962;decimation;yeah ec2 uses gpg 2.0.25 1049626;1426128973;trinque;mod6: I got through the patching script fine on latest gentoo 1049627;1426128998;trinque;what shell is supposed to be running the next one 1049628;1426129095;mod6;it's a bourne shell script /bin/sh 1049629;1426129105;trinque;my sh does not have -xu 1049630;1426129113;trinque;I think in debian sh is dash, maybe? 1049631;1426129121;mod6;ahh, just take off those params then. it doesn't need 'em i don't think. 1049632;1426129126;trinque;k 1049633;1426129133;mod6;ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol. 1049634;1426129151;*;trinque strokes the cargo 1049635;1426129195;mod6;thanks for testing trinque 1049636;1426129208;asciilifeform;still cranking 'boost' 1049637;1426129228;mod6;ahh, ok cool. 1049638;1426129235;mod6;did you get through the perl script ok alf? 1049639;1426129250;asciilifeform;wai wat 1049640;1426129256;asciilifeform;is that in the sh somewhere 1049641;1426129292;trinque;mod6: no problem, chugging along in the build 1049642;1426129303;mod6;no, the perl script is a separate thing that grabs the v0.5.3 base code and then patches it. then `auto.sh' pulls bdb,openssl,and boost and builds 'em and then builds the static bitcoind 1049643;1426129350;mod6;for all: keep in mind if you're not running the test on a x64 machine, you'll probably have to edit the vars on lines 4, 6 & 8 1049644;1426129368;asciilifeform;neh it is 1049645;1426129457;decimation;interesting, it seems that it works just fine on amazon linux 1049646;1426129463;decimation;so it's not a gpg2 thing 1049647;1426129502;mod6;ok so your amazon linux is running gpg v 1.4.10? 1049648;1426129512;decimation;no 2.0.25 1049649;1426129529;asciilifeform;built deps, croaked on not finding bitcoin src 1049650;1426129533;danielpbarron;oh uh.. i'm not running on a x64 machine (if that means bits in processor) 1049651;1426129534;asciilifeform;why are these separate scripts again ? 1049652;1426129557;mod6;danielpbarron: yeah, that'll be a problem. what os/arch are you on? 1049653;1426129639;mod6;asciilifeform: because how we'll roll out the release: 1) I'll patch the source myself and put it in a 'bitcoin' directory 2) i'll place the 'auto.sh' in the same parent directory as 'bitcoin' directory 3) tar those up 4) end user will unpack archive and execute `auto.sh' 1049654;1426129666;danielpbarron;gentoo i386 1049655;1426129684;mod6;so in the end the downloading/patching of the v0.5.3 base code won't be necessary since it'll already be complete. 1049656;1426129729;mod6;danielpbarron: ok, change line 4 to: "32", line 6 to: "x86_32" and line 8 to: "linux-x86_32" 1049657;1426129736;mod6;and cross fingers 1049658;1426129752;mod6;i've never tested this on 32bit so this is a first. 1049659;1426129759;mod6;in fact. 1049660;1426129759;trinque;decimation: did you try changing that home var to something else? 1049661;1426129763;decimation;yes 1049662;1426129764;trinque;I search and replaced mine with BUILD_DIR 1049663;1426129775;trinque;so as not to mask $HOME 1049664;1426129806;decimation;I'll try that 1049665;1426129814;danielpbarron;of what, auto.sh ? I hadn't even gotten that far yet 1049666;1426129818;mod6;while you're at it danielpbarron comment out line 130 of "auto.sh" so I can have you run one other command if you get through the static build. 1049667;1426129826;mod6;(130 = "strip" command) 1049668;1426129839;mod6;sorry, yes. 1049669;1426129842;*;mod6 is slow. 1049670;1426129888;decimation;trinque: no that didn't work 1049671;1426129894;danielpbarron;no sorry i'm just distracted by the 3d gun guy trying to impress me on twitter 1049672;1426129896;mod6;at the end of the static build there are 2 ugly warnings, but they're just warnings. so no worries. 1049673;1426129903;mod6;heheh. 1049674;1426129908;mod6;np, thanks for your help. 1049675;1426130044;decimation;it might be that the umask on the amazon box is group writable, but isn't on my centos6 obx 1049676;1426130070;mod6;hmm. noted. thanks decimation 1049677;1426130198;danielpbarron;fwiw, I got 50 USD worth of link clicks pointing at this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042514 1049678;1426130198;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 04:00:14; asciilifeform: to round off the electrobullet thread, i made this gedankenexperiment up for this just to show what folks like wilson -would- be doing if they were serious 1049679;1426130209;decimation;ok I fixed it 1049680;1426130212;decimation;http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2001-April/008269.html 1049681;1426130212;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8Z2HE ) 1049682;1426130231;decimation;you need to add --lock-never to make it work, because I am using a shitty vm-mounted filesystem that doesn't support hardlinks 1049683;1426130233;asciilifeform;what means '50 usd worth' ? that it cost you that much bandwidth ? 1049684;1426130238;asciilifeform;danielpbarron ^ 1049685;1426130256;decimation;(add it to your gpg command line in the script) 1049686;1426130262;mod6;decimation: nice find! 1049687;1426130262;danielpbarron;idk, twitter makes up the number; that's what it would have cost me to promote it myself (if not for wilson himself actually replying to it and getting it free attention) 1049688;1426130285;asciilifeform;link? or was it boring 1049689;1426130296;decimation;see if that's backwards compatible to gpg v1 1049690;1426130308;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/575817719272071168 << pretty lulzy 1049691;1426130310;assbot;“Cody Wilson Wants to Destroy Your World†by /ajzaleski https://t.co/kUTv9jyJJA 1049692;1426130361;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: mega-snore 1049693;1426130407;asciilifeform;it's a 'you. -- no, you. -- no, you. ... ... ...' 1049694;1426130453;*;asciilifeform naively thought that wilson would have actually replied to the linked thing 1049695;1426130484;danielpbarron;nobody every "actually replies" to stuff on social media 1049696;1426130534;*;asciilifeform not sufficient zoologist to say if this or not 1049697;1426130562;decimation;it seems that the telegraphers circa 1880 had better technology for sharing information 1049698;1426130607;decimation;ok my centos6 box appears to lack 'realpath' 1049699;1426130613;asciilifeform;neh just better people 1049700;1426130773;mod6;ok, here's version v0.0.9.1 (seems to work with --lock--never added to lines 279 & 305 on v1): http://dpaste.com/2WRMSD7 1049701;1426130774;assbot;dpaste: 2WRMSD7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8ZZzu ) 1049702;1426130792;mod6;also removed $HOME for $BUILD_DIR 1049703;1426130877;mod6;s/--lock--never/--lock-never/ 1049704;1426131054;decimation;ok that kinda works, except it deletes all the sources except bitcoin 1049705;1426131090;mod6;oh crap, lol, i didn't change the $BUILD_DIR back to "CHANGEME" derp 1049706;1426131111;decimation;yeah I saw that heh 1049707;1426131122;mod6;yeah, that's its default behavior. if you don't want it to delete the stuff, just change $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE" 1049708;1426131149;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/mod6.txt << output of auto.sh (with your modifications for 32) 1049709;1426131150;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C90ABg ) 1049710;1426131150;decimation;ok that works 1049711;1426131159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75900 @ 0.00036841 = 27.9623 BTC [+] {3} 1049712;1426131193;mod6;ok here it is again. sorry: http://dpaste.com/2MB8HVF 1049713;1426131195;assbot;dpaste: 2MB8HVF ... ( http://bit.ly/1C90ERu ) 1049714;1426131201;*;mod6 looks at danielpbarron's paste 1049715;1426131203;decimation;sigh, no package realpath is available 1049716;1426131241;mod6;yeah, that's required from the original pogo script. 1049717;1426131255;mod6;there's a realpath bin you can install iirc 1049718;1426131272;mod6;danielpbarron: try editing the script and getting rid of the -xu thing after /bin/sh 1049719;1426131317;mod6;im glad we're all trying this now. 1049720;1426131378;danielpbarron;bash: ./auto.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 1049721;1426131396;mod6;one sec, i'll get you a new one. pastebin fucked us. 1049722;1426131400;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049562 1049723;1426131400;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 02:33:50; asciilifeform: there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing 1049724;1426131401;decimation;ok yes that last dpaste works for me 1049725;1426131427;decimation;danielpbarron: windows adds an extra character to the end of each line 1049726;1426131430;decimation;because it sucks 1049727;1426131458;danielpbarron;why can't i see these extra characters; vi on openbsd would show them 1049728;1426131468;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3656FHF.txt 1049729;1426131469;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18doWfE ) 1049730;1426131499;decimation;donno. emacs with whitespace mode shows them 1049731;1426131503;mod6;yeah, pastebin sticks on CRLF's... like a derp 1049732;1426131514;mod6;so ... i guess perhaps we try with dpaste and see. 1049733;1426131549;danielpbarron;same problem 1049734;1426131557;asciilifeform;dos2unix 1049735;1426131561;mod6;i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites. 1049736;1426131567;decimation;try > dox2unix auto.sh 1049737;1426131715;decimation;mod6: on centos6 you can use /bin/readlink -f to substitute for 'realpath' 1049738;1426131729;mod6;ah! ok good to know. 1049739;1426131884;danielpbarron;:e ++ff=unix 1049740;1426131888;danielpbarron;^ that fixed it in vim 1049741;1426131905;mod6;yeah, that works too. cool 1049742;1426132004;danielpbarron;ok it's compiling 1049743;1426132016;danielpbarron;i commented out that line you told me to 1049744;1426132144;mod6;thanks, that's good. i'll have you do a `cd bitcoin/src ; readelf --dynamic bitcoind` when its complete. 1049745;1426132156;mod6;i haven't compiled on a 32bit system yet so this is a great test. 1049746;1426132413;decimation;the 'installing docs' step is really slow 1049747;1426132432;decimation;it's downloading the boost tarball 1049748;1426132434;decimation;sucks 1049749;1426132548;mod6;yeah, it's like 60mb or something. 1049750;1426132562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00037148 = 23.4404 BTC [+] {2} 1049751;1426133539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00036428 = 5.2638 BTC [-] 1049752;1426133721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00035449 = 14.924 BTC [-] 1049753;1426133838;decimation;stupid redhat doesn't supply zlib-static by default 1049754;1426133847;asciilifeform;you don't need zlib!!! 1049755;1426133849;asciilifeform;in bitcoin. 1049756;1426133854;asciilifeform;it isn't used anywhere. 1049757;1426133855;decimation;it wants to link 1049758;1426133864;asciilifeform;nix it in the bitcoind make 1049759;1426133869;asciilifeform;as shown in my old instructions. 1049760;1426133874;decimation;also -l dl 1049761;1426133875;asciilifeform;it doesn't ever get used. 1049762;1426133894;decimation;does it dynamically load code? 1049763;1426133898;decimation;why does it need libdl 1049764;1426133904;asciilifeform;damned if i know. kill it. 1049765;1426133934;asciilifeform;(winblows version may have used that) 1049766;1426133981;BingoBoingo;!up jitenm 1049767;1426133995;decimation;nano redhat calls static pthread pthread_nonshared.a 1049768;1426134088;mod6;hrm. ok, i'm gonna try building without -l dl and -l z 1049769;1426134092;danielpbarron;mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/mod6.txt << got an error :< 1049770;1426134093;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYdWV ) 1049771;1426134133;mod6;ok thanks danielpbarron. 1049772;1426134212;mod6;i'll have to figure out what needs to be different in the 32 bit version. 1049773;1426134271;decimation;ok I got it to compile on centos6 but I had to add the following to the end of the linking command line: -static-libgcc -Wl,-Bstatic -l pthread_nonshared -Wl,-Bdynamic -l m -l dl 1049774;1426134289;decimation;apparently centos doesn't come with a static libdl or libm 1049775;1426134300;danielpbarron;it might be the thing i ran into last time i tried this 1049776;1426134300;asciilifeform;why dl again 1049777;1426134306;asciilifeform;zap it & say what dies 1049778;1426134309;decimation;it puked without it 1049779;1426134313;danielpbarron;i had to change "make install" to "make install_sw" 1049780;1426134317;asciilifeform;let's see the puke 1049781;1426134318;mod6;i wanna say that i ran into that as well. 1049782;1426134332;mod6;cant recall for sure though 1049783;1426134339;mod6;i'll know in a minute. 1049784;1426134339;decimation;/build/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): In function `dlfcn_globallookup': dso_dlfcn.c:(.text+0x31): undefined reference to `dlopen' 1049785;1426134349;mod6;ah yeah that 1049786;1426134355;asciilifeform;wawhat 1049787;1426134365;asciilifeform;is that in openssl ? 1049788;1426134368;decimation;why is ssl linking to dl 1049789;1426134372;asciilifeform;! 1049790;1426134395;danielpbarron;i just changed it and it gave same error, but maybe because I didn't start from scratch 1049791;1426134415;mod6;danielpbarron: i think you have some other issues going on probably. 1049792;1426134453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.015 = 1.05 BTC [+] 1049793;1426134514;decimation;asciilifeform: whatever you thought you knew about openssl is truer than you thnk 1049794;1426134516;danielpbarron;oh wait, i want to be compiling this for arm don't I? 1049795;1426134592;asciilifeform;which openssl this was again? 1049796;1426134617;decimation;the label says 1.0.1g 1049797;1426134641;asciilifeform;aahahaahaha. 1049798;1426134645;mod6;danielpbarron: oh you're running this on ARM? this won't build on arm probably. 1049799;1426134645;asciilifeform;https://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/OPENSSL_config.html 1049800;1426134646;assbot;OPENSSL_config, OPENSSL_no_config - simple OpenSSL configuration functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYJEd ) 1049801;1426134650;asciilifeform;achtung shitgnomologists! 1049802;1426134670;asciilifeform;even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking. 1049803;1426134685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, anyone else who gives a damn ^^^^ 1049804;1426134701;decimation;asciilifeform: does this really dynamically load crypto from disk at runtime? 1049805;1426134711;asciilifeform;https://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/engine.html << moar 1049806;1426134712;assbot;engine - ENGINE cryptographic module support ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYLvT ) 1049807;1426134722;decimation;who would ever think that is a good idea? 1049808;1426134728;asciilifeform;decimation: ahaha, guess who 1049809;1426134744;decimation;imma gonna load me critical pathways from a random .txt 1049810;1426134748;asciilifeform;see fellas, when i said, 'hey hey ho ho openssl has got to go' 1049811;1426134749;asciilifeform;i meant it 1049812;1426134755;asciilifeform;and what's more, For Reasons 1049813;1426134787;decimation;the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable." 1049814;1426134792;decimation;and then fails to name a single reason 1049815;1426134850;mod6;here's my output from no "-l dl" and no "-l z" in the makefile: http://dpaste.com/0YYYWEJ 1049816;1426134851;assbot;dpaste: 0YYYWEJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYXeM ) 1049817;1426134854;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu wants a provably-correct replacement. can't disagree, but i personally probably won't get around to it until after the war. 1049818;1426134861;asciilifeform;all you lot, i suggest, learn ada/spark. 1049819;1426134864;mod6;<+asciilifeform> see fellas, when i said, 'hey hey ho ho openssl has got to go' << I'm with you . 1049820;1426134872;decimation;mod6: yeah that's the same error 1049821;1426134885;decimation;at any rate, you can probably cut n paste the parts of openssl you need 1049822;1426134889;decimation;gonna take longer though 1049823;1426134892;asciilifeform;decimation: nope 1049824;1426134894;mod6;at some future point, we'll get the crypto libs built in directtly. 1049825;1426134894;asciilifeform;try it 1049826;1426134897;asciilifeform;it's a spittoon 1049827;1426134900;asciilifeform;!s spittoon 1049828;1426134901;assbot;16 results for 'spittoon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spittoon 1049829;1426134909;decimation;asciilifeform: for reasons... 1049830;1426134946;decimation;is there a 'configure' arg you can pass to get rid of the -ldl stupidity 1049831;1426134973;decimation;yeah 1049832;1426134974;decimation;no-dso 1049833;1426134979;mod6;ok if i re-add back in "-l dl" into the makefile, then I get this: 1049834;1426134980;asciilifeform;worth a try 1049835;1426135014;mod6;http://dpaste.com/319C632 1049836;1426135015;assbot;dpaste: 319C632 ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZ7ml ) 1049837;1426135019;asciilifeform;see, i missed all of this because did not even suspect this level of shitgnomery 1049838;1426135029;decimation;how did you get yours working asciilifeform? 1049839;1426135036;mod6;which works, because those are just warnings. it does output a bitcoind in the bitcoin/src dir 1049840;1426135051;decimation;mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso' 1049841;1426135067;asciilifeform;decimation: i don't think i noticed/touched this knob 1049842;1426135083;asciilifeform;this is why it helps to have >1 of us pay attention 1049843;1426135084;mod6;here's a full shot: http://dpaste.com/06NAYCD 1049844;1426135085;assbot;dpaste: 06NAYCD ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZ8Xl ) 1049845;1426135128;asciilifeform;i suggest fixing by using a pre-heartbleed openssl 1049846;1426135143;asciilifeform;if anyone has any reason why this is a bad idea, please suggest it 1049847;1426135176;mod6;pre-heart bleed? like 0.9.8o or whatever? 1049848;1426135199;asciilifeform;pre-1.0.1 iirc 1049849;1426135204;decimation;not that heartbleed really matters for our purposes 1049850;1426135218;decimation;or have we not snipped the rpc stuff yet 1049851;1426135226;asciilifeform;it doesn't, if the https-snipper patch was merged. 1049852;1426135227;mod6;well, it was 0.9.8o that was giving us the issues with the tx in the 168`001 block 1049853;1426135234;asciilifeform;rpc is still in 1049854;1426135248;asciilifeform;but i personally ripped out https 1049855;1426135273;asciilifeform;mod6: did anyone ever fully crack the conundrum ? 1049856;1426135279;decimation;yeah if you are commanding bitcoind on an untrusted network you are fucktarded 1049857;1426135296;mod6;no, not yet. i've been focused on just getting a release out. 1049858;1426135323;asciilifeform;could find boojum therein, one wholly worth the effort 1049859;1426135335;mod6;yeah certainly. 1049860;1426135338;danielpbarron;mod6> danielpbarron: oh you're running this on ARM? this won't build on arm probably. << ahh you called it the "modified pogo script" which gave me the wrong impression.. but I understand what you meant now 1049861;1426135358;mod6;ahh, my bad. sorry I didn't clairify 1049862;1426135370;mod6;decimation: so no-dso gets passed to the openssl build? 1049863;1426135380;decimation;yeah you put it on the Config arg line 1049864;1426135394;mod6;ok, sweet, i'll give that a try now. 1049865;1426135458;*;asciilifeform still suspects that: 168001 was a stealthfork 1049866;1426135466;mod6;building... 1049867;1426135490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64750 @ 0.00035793 = 23.176 BTC [+] 1049868;1426135502;mod6;asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version. 1049869;1426135551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00037275 = 8.3496 BTC [+] 1049870;1426135813;decimation;ok I have to dynamically link -l m and now it works without -l dl 1049871;1426135824;decimation;at least, it starts 1049872;1426135847;mod6;alright gents, i added 'no-dso' to the openssl configure and removed "- dl" from the makefile, and it compiled just fine: 1049873;1426135850;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1HYJCGS 1049874;1426135851;assbot;dpaste: 1HYJCGS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZMnQ ) 1049875;1426135853;decimation;me too 1049876;1426135867;mod6;you had to add in 1049877;1426135870;decimation;except for the dynamic -l m and pthread_nonshared 1049878;1426135872;mod6;"-l m" ? 1049879;1426135877;decimation;yep 1049880;1426135884;decimation;it must be a redhat-ism 1049881;1426135903;mod6;ah. ok. 1049882;1426135913;mod6;well, that's good to know i guess in case of RH 1049883;1426136005;mod6;so i'll re-submit that makefile patch and what will be v0.0.5 of the mod'd pogo script (with 'no-dso') 1049884;1426136014;asciilifeform;neato 1049885;1426136022;asciilifeform;builds, but does it run ? 1049886;1426136029;decimation;ok you have to install glib-static on redhat 1049887;1426136030;mod6;that bitcoind does run and start pulling blocks btw too 1049888;1426136038;asciilifeform;aha! 1049889;1426136048;asciilifeform;so this, then, is the new state of the art. 1049890;1426136066;decimation;yes, 'strip out all the static libs 'cause it saves space' 1049891;1426136135;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0RFHH3E 1049892;1426136137;assbot;dpaste: 0RFHH3E ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZZHA ) 1049893;1426136185;mod6;i'll do some more sync testing once I get the changes we found tonight resubmitted to the mailing list. 1049894;1426136198;mod6;this was highly productive tonight; I thank you all who helped! 1049895;1426136206;decimation;no problem, good night 1049896;1426136246;mod6;still have a moutain of work ahead, but we're on a good track. 1049897;1426136250;decimation;ok so the only remaining redhatism is to strip out the 'realpath' thing and add '-l pthread_nonshared to the makefile 1049898;1426136251;mod6;you too. many thanks. 1049899;1426136328;mod6;decimation: i think, in interest of time.. perhaps (with your help/testing) we'll post a patch for the makefile & the auto.sh post release. 1049900;1426136350;mod6;or at least once we have a "freeze" 1049901;1426136376;mod6;then going forward, we'll add in more conditions into these things to account for various platforms/configurations 1049902;1426136466;danielpbarron;and removed "- dl" from the makefile << where is this? 1049903;1426136522;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/winner-of-27k-bitcoins-purchased-at-usms-auction-revealed/ 1049904;1426136710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93794 @ 0.00035276 = 33.0868 BTC [-] {3} 1049905;1426136962;mod6;danielpbarron: it would have been like line 34 1049906;1426136962;mod6;i think 33 was "-l w" 1049907;1426136962;mod6;im getting laaaaaged 1049908;1426136987;mats;http://www.gamedev.net/topic/666419-what-are-your-opinions-on-dx12vulkanmantle/#entry5215019 1049909;1426136989;assbot;What are your opinions on DX12/Vulkan/Mantle? - Graphics Programming and Theory - GameDev.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah0IIT ) 1049910;1426137344;asciilifeform;qntra ddos ? 1049911;1426137399;asciilifeform;somebody has cache ? 1049912;1426137446;asciilifeform;also ddoslurkbot is back. 1049913;1426137503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91553 @ 0.00035063 = 32.1012 BTC [-] 1049914;1426137555;Adlai;since lds has refused to comment, wouldn't a better title be "Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Allegedly Purchased At USMS Auction Alleged" ? 1049915;1426137596;Adlai;asciilifeform: works for me just fine 1049916;1426137602;asciilifeform;loads now aha 1049917;1426137643;cazalla;it's working fine here 1049918;1426137829;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 42.55120426 BTC. Current weight: 96,640. 1049919;1426138479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.0003631 = 18.0098 BTC [+] {2} 1049920;1426138678;BingoBoingo;!up wangxinxi 1049921;1426138688;wangxinxi;Thanks BingoBoingo 1049922;1426139838;mircea_popescu; decimation: anyway, it totally works fine for me on my aws machine. << hehehe 1049923;1426139910;mircea_popescu;!up mollison 1049924;1426139981;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049677 << wut ?! 1049925;1426139981;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 03:16:38; danielpbarron: fwiw, I got 50 USD worth of link clicks pointing at this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042514 1049926;1426140142;mircea_popescu;mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here. 1049927;1426140281;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049802 << i fail to be surprised. 1049928;1426140281;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 04:31:10; asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking. 1049929;1426140288;mircea_popescu;also gotta upgrade to latest version 1049930;1426140289;mircea_popescu;etc. 1049931;1426140389;mircea_popescu;decimation: the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable." and then fails to name a single reason << the actual reasons are not the point, the statement that "there are reasons" is the point. fashion, no substance. you wanna be with the in crowd, don't you ? be hip, upgrade. there are reasons. 1049932;1426140461;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049846 << iirc heartbled was replacement orifice. 1049933;1426140461;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 04:39:03; asciilifeform: if anyone has any reason why this is a bad idea, please suggest it 1049934;1426140468;mircea_popescu;there's no clean openssl post ~2002. 1049935;1426140481;mircea_popescu;i don't see anyone using 1999 version. 1049936;1426140523;mircea_popescu;0.9.4 and such bs. 1049937;1426140654;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049910 << no ? 1049938;1426140654;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 05:15:44; asciilifeform: qntra ddos ? 1049939;1426140681;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042552 << /methinks the civilians doth play too much vidya 1049940;1426140681;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 04:19:56; decimation: asciilifeform: it's not even clear that having full auto ar-15's would be much of an advantage at all 1049941;1426140699;mircea_popescu;trilema's been getting a shitton of traffic past week, maybe you got it on a blink. 1049942;1426140778;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049914 << just about lol. 1049943;1426140778;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 05:19:15; Adlai: since lds has refused to comment, wouldn't a better title be "Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Allegedly Purchased At USMS Auction Alleged" ? 1049944;1426140798;Adlai;there are so few situations where it's remotely helpful to have an assault rifle in full auto, afaict the risk of accidentally using full auto in any other situation make it "wasach" but nothing more 1049945;1426140833;Adlai;"wasach" = army slang, from arabic 'weight' - ie, extra weight which doesn't help you, but you carry it around to look tough 1049946;1426140857;mircea_popescu;those situations being providing cover 1049947;1426140870;mircea_popescu;they're not that few, if you're actually fighting. as opposed to what regular armies regularly do. 1049948;1426140877;fluffypony;http://kukuruku.co/hub/diy/usb-killer 1049949;1426140879;assbot;USB Killer ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7RXFK ) 1049950;1426140879;fluffypony;want 1049951;1426140885;Adlai;a bit of training and you can give MUCH better cover with *aimed* selective fire 1049952;1426140905;mircea_popescu;depends if it's five of you or five hundred of you. 1049953;1426140956;mircea_popescu;with batallion size deployments rolling auto is much more effectual than "selective" whatever, because people are weird. sorta like how women living together synch periods, soldiers end up all looking in the same spot. 1049954;1426140963;Adlai;you can drain a 30 round magazine in ~10 seconds and get most of your shots on target, and all of them in the right direction; or drain it in ~3 seconds, overheat your barrel, and kill half your friends 1049955;1426141004;Adlai;there are situations where "spraying" is exactly what you want, but there are better tools for that than 'assault rifle' 1049956;1426141018;*;mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is a shrinking space. 1049957;1426141075;Adlai;on the contrary, there's a lot less picking off enemies hundreds of meters away, and a lot more 'clearing rooms' 1049958;1426141082;mircea_popescu;it comes to us from a time of emplaced machine guns and stuff 1049959;1426141098;mircea_popescu;nono, i meant "space". 1049960;1426141102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51279 @ 0.00037237 = 19.0948 BTC [+] {2} 1049961;1426141111;Adlai;in which sense? 1049962;1426141120;mircea_popescu;lemme rephrase. 1049963;1426141136;*;mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is rarer and rarer 1049964;1426141163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45071 @ 0.00037452 = 16.88 BTC [+] {2} 1049965;1426141180;Adlai;'situations where full auto is what you want', or 'firearm which usefully implements full auto' ? 1049966;1426141194;mircea_popescu;first. 1049967;1426141200;fluffypony;first 1049968;1426141205;mircea_popescu;well honestly the second too, but unrelatedly. 1049969;1426141205;*;Adlai maintains that both of these are INcreasing, but neither has anything to do with the AR15 family 1049970;1426141215;mircea_popescu;hahaha what. 1049971;1426141227;fluffypony;I don't know enough about firearm development to speak to the second 1049972;1426141284;mircea_popescu;"but brother, why do you try to rescue cost savings ? you know it;s in its nature to sting you". "yes. but it is in my nature to be stingy." 1049973;1426141306;Adlai;full auto is very useful in urban "kill everything" warfare. no country likes admitting that's what they're training for, but they train for this too. 1049974;1426141331;mircea_popescu;nonsense. what are you going to do, spray and pray ? 1049975;1426141342;Adlai;that's what it's called 1049976;1426141348;mircea_popescu;the only thing that's useful in urban warfare is hiding. 1049977;1426141363;mircea_popescu;everything else is a liability. 1049978;1426141370;Adlai;and artillery/air support, with a few guidance chips 1049979;1426141384;mircea_popescu;hey, half the us casualties, gotta provide them somehow. 1049980;1426141468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00037564 = 17.8992 BTC [+] {2} 1049981;1426142294;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here. << true enough :] 1049982;1426142537;mod6;night #b-a! 1049983;1426143650;mircea_popescu;!up tsoulus 1049984;1426143664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00036986 = 3.4767 BTC [-] 1049985;1426143929;[]bot;Bet placed: 15.4 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 57.95120426 BTC. Current weight: 96,565. 1049986;1426145616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00037586 = 21.9502 BTC [+] 1049987;1426145799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00037791 = 14.6629 BTC [+] {2} 1049988;1426145921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19572 @ 0.00036986 = 7.2389 BTC [-] 1049989;1426146226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27759 @ 0.00036986 = 10.2669 BTC [-] 1049990;1426146901;cazalla;i guess i was wrong about danielpbarron being mircea_popescu because apparently asciilifeform is mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yrkh4/winner_of_27k_bitcoins_purchased_at_usms_auction/cpccmq0 1049991;1426146902;assbot;usrn comments on Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Purchased At USMS Auction Revealed ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvazCt ) 1049992;1426146958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31487 @ 0.00037914 = 11.938 BTC [+] {2} 1049993;1426147019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131113 @ 0.00038367 = 50.3041 BTC [+] {3} 1049994;1426149337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00036986 = 11.0403 BTC [-] 1049995;1426149520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.0003733 = 21.5954 BTC [+] 1049996;1426150313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7812 @ 0.0003733 = 2.9162 BTC [+] 1049997;1426150693;fluffypony;cazalla: the comment about the incorrect use of "allegedly" is right, though 1049998;1426150739;fluffypony;as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P 1049999;1426150804;Adlai;the allegation here is that the auctions were theater 1050000;1426151045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87932 @ 0.00038774 = 34.0948 BTC [+] {2} 1050001;1426151214;fluffypony;doesn't matter, the term is still used incorrectly 1050002;1426151225;fluffypony;"apparently" would be a more appropriate term 1050003;1426151608;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.0006 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 58.95180426 BTC. Current weight: 96,470. 1050004;1426151717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7678 @ 0.00039483 = 3.0315 BTC [+] 1050005;1426151899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24905 @ 0.00039483 = 9.8332 BTC [+] 1050006;1426152839;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048149 << what is the lisp concept and how is hickey crapping on it? 1050007;1426152839;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 01:56:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still fucking hate that piece. the sheer mendacity of rich hickey in saying 'simplicity matters' while crapping all over lisp concept 1050008;1426153150;Adlai;ben_vulpes: for one, read macros 1050009;1426153240;Adlai;eg http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103 1050010;1426153241;assbot;Loper OS » Nock Nock (Part 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D97SVF ) 1050011;1426153275;ben_vulpes;i've yet to get to read macros in my studies 1050012;1426154156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00039787 = 21.1667 BTC [+] {3} 1050013;1426154171;ben_vulpes;re: 'mit' - feeder college for northrup grumman and loyal derpy armsmiths 1050014;1426154287;Adlai;please don't go full cultard 1050015;1426154350;Adlai;that's kinda like saying #b-a is feeder college for altcoin creators 1050016;1426154541;fluffypony;lol 1050017;1426154894;ben_vulpes;wink 1050018;1426154895;ben_vulpes;nudge 1050019;1426154900;ben_vulpes;elbow in ribs 1050020;1426154928;ben_vulpes;sour grapes re youth wasted on the young 1050021;1426154933;ben_vulpes;some mixture of all the above 1050022;1426155034;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049633 << oh just extreme naivte in thinking things like the bail on exit flag would be set the same way on other platforms 1050023;1426155034;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 02:58:53; mod6: ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol. 1050024;1426155045;ben_vulpes;bail on *error* 1050025;1426155051;ben_vulpes;wtshit linux 1050026;1426155120;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049268 << cardano-like thinger over serial someday, one hopes 1050027;1426155120;assbot;Logged on 11-03-2015 21:30:54; trinque: I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port 1050028;1426155169;davout;http://i.imgur.com/vCifNrr.jpg 1050029;1426155170;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wZaVhi ) 1050030;1426155203;trinque;ben_vulpes: sleep? never heard of it 1050031;1426155228;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049682 << hah i ran into this as well, thought it was due to mounting the working dir in from the host machine 1050032;1426155228;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 03:17:11; decimation: you need to add --lock-never to make it work, because I am using a shitty vm-mounted filesystem that doesn't support hardlinks 1050033;1426155257;ben_vulpes;trinque: you know it 1050034;1426155268;ben_vulpes;thick ass logs today 1050035;1426155358;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049735 << pastebin *specifically*. i've seen this again and again, eventually diddled something in my environment to keep it from happening. 1050036;1426155358;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 03:39:21; mod6: i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites. 1050037;1426155454;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049802 << this is amazing 1050038;1426155454;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1050039;1426155454;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 04:31:10; asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking. 1050040;1426155506;ben_vulpes;jesus shit 1050041;1426155573;ben_vulpes;so basically pwn the vm layer, pwn txn validation possibly? 1050042;1426155605;ben_vulpes;knowing c it's probably just like hell breaks loose in the operating system 1050043;1426155624;ben_vulpes;that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc. 1050044;1426155654;ben_vulpes;surely that's a paranoid jump too far. 1050045;1426155667;*;ben_vulpes knows nothing about external libs and safety in c 1050046;1426155725;Adlai;if you're going that far, a better approach would be inserting something that reports wallet.dat+password to a remote server, which waits until there's something worth stealing. one day, "all the bitcoins are gone" 1050047;1426155794;ben_vulpes;bleeee 1050048;1426155864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63805 @ 0.00040007 = 25.5265 BTC [+] {2} 1050049;1426155869;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049856 << another reason why 0.5.3 needs getblock functionality. i can't trust anything out there, and the best way to handle bitcoins safely is to be able to canvass a mess of bitcoinds and make some decisions about how to squirt txns into the network 1050050;1426155869;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 04:41:19; decimation: yeah if you are commanding bitcoind on an untrusted network you are fucktarded 1050051;1426155906;ben_vulpes;i kind of have to assume that any hardware i touch these days is wholly compromised 1050052;1426155917;Adlai;fwiw, sending a relay node your transactions is no guarantee that a miner will see them 1050053;1426155934;ben_vulpes;myeah 1050054;1426155941;ben_vulpes;i'd actually like to see relay rules opened up 1050055;1426155966;ben_vulpes;but i suppose that's what gossipd's for 1050056;1426156013;Adlai;bitcoin-over-gossipd is rather useless without miners in the wot 1050057;1426156085;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049865 << see the impossible coincidence of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049868 . 1050058;1426156085;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 04:44:18; *: asciilifeform still suspects that: 168001 was a stealthfork 1050059;1426156085;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 04:45:02; mod6: asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version. 1050060;1426156306;ben_vulpes;Adlai: more along the lines of piggybacking messages on the btc txn relay network. 1050061;1426156335;ben_vulpes;anyways, sleep doth conquer 1050062;1426159752;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: "what is the lisp concept and how is hickey crapping on it?" << the lisp concept is: "a crystalline pyramid of comprehensible mutually-interlocking concepts", see Thumbs Down for Clojure http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 The parens (i.e., syntactical correspondence with ast) so far as I can tell are inescapable, but incidental. They are simply the most obvious product of the philosophy "sophistication blosso 1050063;1426159754;assbot;Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1AojvBc ) 1050064;1426159754;gabriel_laddel;ms from comprehensibility". 1050065;1426160134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51977 @ 0.00039727 = 20.6489 BTC [-] 1050066;1426160500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56109 @ 0.00039239 = 22.0166 BTC [-] {2} 1050067;1426160566;gabriel_laddel;!gettrust trinque 1050068;1426160566;assbot;Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user trinque: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/gabriel_laddel/trinque | http://w.b-a.link/user/trinque 1050069;1426161031;gabriel_laddel;trinque: regarding "linux sucks but could be better" see the thread here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036490 1050070;1426161031;assbot;Logged on 01-03-2015 00:35:29; gabriel_laddel: Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while... 1050071;1426161074;gabriel_laddel;trinque: also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992409 1050072;1426161074;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2015 03:00:06; gabriel_laddel: I've actually done very little development for this dirtro. Most of my time has been spent finding perfect little individual peices and assembling them. Out of the box it has: 1050073;1426161171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108800 @ 0.00039012 = 42.4451 BTC [-] {4} 1050074;1426161258;gabriel_laddel;trinque: it seems to me that arguing with e.g., ascii as to if you can make linux less terrible is by and large useless sans the loot (useful technical tidbits) he drops occasionally. If you'd like to work on such a thing I can set you on the only sane path that I'm aware of, with justification as to why you'd do this instead of else. 1050075;1426161537;Adlai;gabriel_laddel: what's the 'status' of your project? 1050076;1426161566;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: currently pestering bezzle lords to pay my bills so I can finish it off 1050077;1426161619;gabriel_laddel;right now I'm writing up a thing so that anyone can finish it off, in case I run into alphabet soup or w/e 1050078;1426161627;Adlai;so not quite as bad as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-03-2015#1047620 1050079;1426161627;assbot;Logged on 10-03-2015 13:50:02; asciilifeform: adlai: shelved 1050080;1426161732;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: Ascii wants to fix everything all at once. I understand his position but don't see how to accomplish it. 1050081;1426161747;Adlai;no, he wants to fix everything from the bottom up 1050082;1426161773;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: that is correct, my mistake. 1050083;1426161778;Adlai;this is a workable approach, it just has higher capex demands (as opposed to 'all at once') 1050084;1426161792;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: In any case, Emacs works just fine and is sufficently lispy without dropping the Von N. arch. 1050085;1426161816;gabriel_laddel;and there is money to be made by exploiting the comprehensibility advantage 1050086;1426161836;Adlai;sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that 1050087;1426161890;*;Adlai is rapidly becoming the archetypical smug[common]lispweenie 1050088;1426161897;gabriel_laddel;:) 1050089;1426161925;gabriel_laddel;I fucking hate elisp, and happily cut much of it out of Masamune. 1050090;1426161940;gabriel_laddel;I currently edit english text in Climacs sometimes 1050091;1426161955;Adlai;ah, it supports clim! 1050092;1426161958;gabriel_laddel;Perhaps I'll have the chance to clean up the CL interface at some point. 1050093;1426161963;gabriel_laddel;ah, it supports clim! << yep 1050094;1426161971;gabriel_laddel;!s screenshots 1050095;1426161972;assbot;35 results for 'screenshots' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=screenshots 1050096;1426162000;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: some clim stuff 1050097;1426162001;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992348 1050098;1426162001;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2015 02:28:29; gabriel_laddel: http://i.imgur.com/YDS7DZR.png http://i.imgur.com/er5HT6O.png http://i.imgur.com/nsvxhzs.png http://i.imgur.com/Ius6a3h.png 1050099;1426162035;gabriel_laddel;And I'm off for nicotine and a walk. Toodles. 1050100;1426162044;Adlai;o/ 1050101;1426162091;Adlai;"Killed buffer" << even the lispiest abstractions leak 1050102;1426162391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00040205 = 17.9515 BTC [+] 1050103;1426162925;*;Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu 1050104;1426163306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00037616 = 29.0772 BTC [-] {2} 1050105;1426163367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35122 @ 0.00039583 = 13.9023 BTC [+] {2} 1050106;1426163428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48278 @ 0.0004024 = 19.4271 BTC [+] 1050107;1426164466;danielpbarron;height=271804 vs height=206911 1050108;1426164526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79900 @ 0.00037102 = 29.6445 BTC [-] 1050109;1426164953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6726 @ 0.00037102 = 2.4955 BTC [-] 1050110;1426165070;Adlai;!s height= 1050111;1426165071;assbot;199 results for 'height=' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=height%3D 1050112;1426165197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00037762 = 26.1691 BTC [+] 1050113;1426166140;davout;very skill, much wow 1050114;1426166141;davout;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKtfjB3F_c0 1050115;1426166143;assbot;Trust me I'm Mechanic Engineer. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1AiFs ) 1050116;1426166159;Adlai;trust me, i speak asslish 1050117;1426166234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29620 @ 0.00039614 = 11.7337 BTC [+] 1050118;1426166265;jurov;these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl? 1050119;1426166661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00039614 = 12.1021 BTC [+] 1050120;1426167149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 99 @ 0.014 = 1.386 BTC [-] 1050121;1426167332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 242409 @ 0.00036706 = 88.9786 BTC [-] {7} 1050122;1426169561;danielpbarron;re: "50 USD worth of link clicks" : this is where I got the number from, and it's up to 100 USD worth now -> https://i.imgur.com/4Ylwt2s.png 1050123;1426169563;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xgx70R ) 1050124;1426169592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00039904 = 9.2976 BTC [+] 1050125;1426169651;danielpbarron;on a related note, I learned how to get my print screen key working on gentoo for this 1050126;1426169990;Adlai;the hardcore version of "created an account just to upvote this" 1050127;1426170504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00040102 = 18.0459 BTC [+] {3} 1050128;1426170658;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc << You once said, "USG is still trying to find way to put lead into bitcoin bars." 1050129;1426171419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00039334 = 5.9001 BTC [-] 1050130;1426172029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039442 = 13.4103 BTC [+] {2} 1050131;1426172090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 302 @ 0.0041 = 1.2382 BTC [-] {3} 1050132;1426173786;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yrkh4/winner_of_27k_bitcoins_purchased_at_usms_auction/cpclco3?context=5 1050133;1426173787;assbot;fluffyponyza comments on Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Purchased At USMS Auction Revealed ... ( http://bit.ly/1C92ksE ) 1050134;1426173797;fluffypony;apparently I'm financially involved with Qntra 1050135;1426173798;fluffypony;who knew 1050136;1426173825;PeterL;do you own any shares? 1050137;1426173859;fluffypony;nope 1050138;1426173921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63750 @ 0.00038078 = 24.2747 BTC [-] 1050139;1426174080;danielpbarron;"how dare they get paid to write when I have to pay reddit!!1" 1050140;1426174103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4797 @ 0.00038078 = 1.8266 BTC [-] 1050141;1426174119;PeterL;why would anybody pay to use reddit? 1050142;1426174145;danielpbarron;to get "Achievement Unlocked: I'm redditarded" on their profile 1050143;1426174192;jurov;for reddit bezzlegold 1050144;1426174198;danielpbarron;(unless you balance it out with 9x non-promotional material) << there is a ratio specified in the rules?? reddit is like USG training camp 1050145;1426174273;PeterL;so you need to do 9 unpaid spams for each spam you are paid to produce? More spam is better spam! 1050146;1426174395;fluffypony;danielpbarron: yes, there's a 10% rule 1050147;1426174404;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion 1050148;1426174405;assbot;selfpromotion - reddit.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9485c ) 1050149;1426174431;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_what_constitutes_spam.3F 1050150;1426174433;assbot;faq - reddit.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C94jgF ) 1050151;1426174439;fluffypony;"If over 10% of your submissions and conversation are your own site/content/affiliate links, you're almost certainly a spammer." 1050152;1426174475;fluffypony;and not spamming is one of the 5 rules Reddit actually has: http://www.reddit.com/rules/ 1050153;1426174476;assbot;reddit.com: rules of reddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1C94tVs ) 1050154;1426174494;fluffypony;the rest are just recommendations (eg. reddiquette) or sub-reddit specific rules that anyone can make 1050155;1426174579;danielpbarron;i remember many years ago not liking reddit based soley on this one really annoying kid being way too enthusiastic about it. He went on and on about how some anime trailor was "totally a troll" as he hammered away on his keyboard. 1050156;1426174681;chetty;all these years and still people feed the trolls 1050157;1426174687;PeterL;http://xkcd.com/1385/ << reddit fits too 1050158;1426174688;assbot;xkcd: Throwing Rocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1C94YPk ) 1050159;1426174711;danielpbarron;"Don't post personal information." << WTF!? it is required to be anonymous on reddit or what? 1050160;1426174713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4135 @ 0.00038078 = 1.5745 BTC [-] 1050161;1426174759;PeterL;anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either 1050162;1426174795;mats;rip pratchett 1050163;1426174866;PeterL;I've been reading through his books lately, quite funny stuff in there 1050164;1426174925;PeterL;A while ago I got the entire discworld series as ebooks for like 0.005 btc, back when a btc was about 10 bucks 1050165;1426175140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.0004024 = 15.0296 BTC [+] 1050166;1426175166;fluffypony;danielpbarron: they mean don't post someone else's personal information 1050167;1426175181;fluffypony;unless it is commonly public, eg. domain whois details 1050168;1426175210;fluffypony;the problem is that Reddit tends to breed "investigators" that post about what they've "discovered", when meantime it's pure conjecture 1050169;1426175689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89450 @ 0.00040268 = 36.0197 BTC [+] {2} 1050170;1426175994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40515 @ 0.00039552 = 16.0245 BTC [-] 1050171;1426176613;PeterL;you know what is annoying? online articles which are split into pages. It is a webpage, I should be able to keep scrolling down, instead of increasing the "click numbers" for advertising! 1050172;1426176633;PeterL;(another reason why qntra is better than so many other news sites) 1050173;1426176694;*;danielpbarron shelves his "10 weird tricks to increase your MPEx portfolio" article.. 1050174;1426176727;PeterL;would be fine as an article if the whole things is all on one page! grumble grumble 1050175;1426177214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49709 @ 0.00038135 = 18.9565 BTC [-] 1050176;1426177641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00037497 = 17.9611 BTC [-] 1050177;1426177885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00038135 = 2.8792 BTC [+] 1050178;1426178190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00037497 = 3.5622 BTC [-] 1050179;1426178617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25110 @ 0.00034888 = 8.7604 BTC [-] 1050180;1426178695;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: I'm totally doing an onion spoof with it 1050181;1426178707;mats;http://chargen.matasano.com/chargen/2015/1/6/bypassing-openssl-certificate-pinning-in-ios-apps.html 1050182;1426178708;assbot;Bypassing OpenSSL Certificate Pinning in iOS Apps - Blog - Matasano Security ... ( http://bit.ly/18DVOhr ) 1050183;1426178746;asciilifeform;mats: old nyooz 1050184;1426178756;mats;:( 1050185;1426178821;mats;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/12/nsas_on_drugs_infosec_bods_unveil_space_grade_malware kek 1050186;1426178822;assbot;Kaspersky claims to have found NSA's 'space station malware' • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/18DWdAB ) 1050187;1426178843;mats;(nothing new here, just amusing) 1050188;1426178936;asciilifeform;more re: disk fw diddler ? 1050189;1426178947;mod6;jurov: can you see if a message got snarffed from the btc-dev list, i sent one in with the subject "Static Makefile Patch v0.0.2" 1050190;1426178961;mod6;had 2 attachments, a .patch file and a .sig file 1050191;1426178980;mats;related to framework that enables diddling 1050192;1426178999;mod6;all sigs verify. 1050193;1426179027;mats;http://www.scribd.com/doc/258494173/FCC-15-24A1 1050194;1426179028;assbot;FCC-15-24A1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bw7caN ) 1050195;1426179054;asciilifeform;mats: i for one am still puzzled by kaspersky's use of the idiot euphemism 'equationgroup' 1050196;1426179065;mats;its all about the clicks, man 1050197;1426179068;asciilifeform;mats: when the actual authorship is plain as daylight 1050198;1426179095;mats;math, computers, fingerless gloves, all the tropes are there 1050199;1426179215;asciilifeform;mats or anybody else: if you have the disk diddler sample, post it 1050200;1426179237;asciilifeform;crapware artists around the world will appreciate the ready-baked fw diddlamatic library, as will winblows users! 1050201;1426179375;asciilifeform;https://securelist.com/files/2015/02/Equation_group_questions_and_answers.pdf << pp. 32,33 have hashes. 1050202;1426179380;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18DYCes ) 1050203;1426179888;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/ 1050204;1426180237;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Why would a property in a peso land be worth dollars ? Oh, because the peso is shit, they readily explain to you. Well, if the peso is shit, why do you imagine your real estate is worth anything at all ? ' << because if it were 10 usd, a beggar from calcutta would buy it and live in it; if it were 10K usd, i'd buy it; if it were 100K usd, american speculator corps. would buy it. so it has to be 150K. 1050205;1426180277;asciilifeform;m4rk3tz 1050206;1426180325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 399 @ 0.01318937 = 5.2626 BTC [+] {4} 1050207;1426180508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93650 @ 0.00035843 = 33.567 BTC [-] {3} 1050208;1426180540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'unlike anywhere in the civilised world, the Argentines rent unfurnished.' << wai wat?! most rental pads where i live are unfurnished - just the way i like it (wtf to do with the incl. furniture if you have your own?) 1050209;1426180683;danielpbarron;!up shesek 1050210;1426180684;danielpbarron;!up stunna 1050211;1426180697;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Well... truth is a lot more complicated than that - in many places, in most places really national sovereignity is implemented as "being incredibly stupid in our own special way", which is of course neither "their own" in any sense nor to any degree special. This has to be broken down...' << aha colonization. 1050212;1426180751;*;Adlai wonders how http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/#footnote_1_60514 fits with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQuuoKXVq0 1050213;1426180752;assbot;Argentina for business pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18E2Cf6 ) 1050214;1426180753;assbot;EUROPA & ITALIA - Europe vs Italy - Bruno Bozzetto (Official) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18E2Cvq ) 1050215;1426180755;asciilifeform;thing is, colonizing power is not necessarily a civilizing one. how'd ya like ru colonial period in ro? 1050216;1426180774;Adlai;on that scale, israel = 'italia baribua' (squared) 1050217;1426181292;mod6;jurov: i don't think the mailing list is working. it has snarffed 2 different messages from me so far today. i know the sigs are good on each & attachments. 1050218;1426181343;mod6;;;later tell jurov btc-dev mailing list is snarffing messages again 1050219;1426181343;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1050220;1426182705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81355 @ 0.00034863 = 28.3628 BTC [-] {4} 1050221;1426186077;BingoBoingo;;;later tell fluffypony You could have also pointed out that there's 496 total posts on qntra compared to the small portion of those on Reddit 1050222;1426186077;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1050223;1426186095;asciilifeform;So, phun phakt time 1050224;1426186109;asciilifeform;on 2/18 i ordered some boards made at 'macrofab' 1050225;1426186123;asciilifeform;they were mailed out, according to the latter, on 3/10 1050226;1426186168;asciilifeform;today u.s. post office tracker reads 'delivered, 10:35am', 'Waiver of signature was exercised at time of delivery.' 1050227;1426186215;asciilifeform;funny thing is, i have cameras. and they show that no one crossed perimeter until postman around 1400 hrs (with only junk mail.) 1050228;1426186223;asciilifeform;and i did not authorize the 'no signature' crap. 1050229;1426186244;BingoBoingo;Sounds very phun 1050230;1426186264;danielpbarron;sounds like the kind of story you tell kids around a camp fire while pointing a flashlight at your face 1050231;1426186302;asciilifeform;no idea if anyone gives a fuck, but it is quite reminiscent of mircea_popescu's experience when i happened to mail him something last year. 1050232;1426186353;trinque;asciilifeform: well established that mail gets rerouted to diddle-factories 1050233;1426186376;asciilifeform;i think this one went to /dev/null 1050234;1426186461;danielpbarron;helps to get to know your local postman 1050235;1426186526;cazalla;they don't even knock on your door here, they just stick a "we missed you" notice in the letter box and force you to pick it up from the local post office yourself.. god forbid the postman knock at your door and wait for you to answer 1050236;1426186534;chetty;hmm isnt there a coffee shop around there you can check for it? 1050237;1426186549;asciilifeform;cazalla: this wasn't a 'missed delivery' thing 1050238;1426186564;asciilifeform;those get a door sticker, yes, and appropriate text in the www tracking gizmo 1050239;1426186586;*;Adlai had to pick up his reserve summons - A PIECE OF PAPER - at the post office 1050240;1426186620;Adlai;package slip in the mailbox was identical to the kind indicating eg miner 1050241;1426186623;trinque;I highly suspect they tag people to fuck with 1050242;1426186663;trinque;not that I'm interesting enough to have had this happen 1050243;1426186669;*;Adlai got asked to turn on and log in his laptop at CDG while just transferring through, had to explain stumpwm 1050244;1426186680;trinque;Adlai: heh! terrorist 1050245;1426186689;trinque;looks like hacker stuff to me 1050246;1426186713;asciilifeform;Adlai: i still don't get this notion where t3rr0s1stz -somehow must- replace -all- of the cells in the battery with plastique, instead of only half 1050247;1426186740;Adlai;it's the ponytail. flew through in september with a hobo mop, no comment. look like a dealer or hacker? step aside please. 1050248;1426186860;asciilifeform;funny thing is, i won't be surprised if it does show up some time tomorrow 1050249;1426186872;asciilifeform;seen this before. 1050250;1426186890;asciilifeform;postman hits 'delivered' on his turdpad while it's still in the truck 1050251;1426186895;asciilifeform;(why? no one knows) 1050252;1426186923;trinque;non-govt mail tends to be much better 1050253;1426186936;asciilifeform;trinque: vendor did not offer options for shipment 1050254;1426186947;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why do you mean no one knows lol. they gotta make the targets. 1050255;1426186960;asciilifeform;^ probably this 1050256;1426186979;mircea_popescu;cazalla "usrn -1 points 10 hours ago Doesn't make any difference." << lawl. 1050257;1426187003;mircea_popescu;"mp is bad mmkay!11" "you know the only reason you eat is his tolerant magnanimity" "doesn't make a diference". 1050258;1426187101;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049998 << accepted by reddit does not make it accepted. 1050259;1426187101;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 08:58:59; fluffypony: as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P 1050260;1426187138;mircea_popescu;that the usms claims to have held auctions is undisputed. that it in fact did not is also plainly factual. 1050261;1426187192;mircea_popescu;and this is why "apparently" is not more appropriate. the locus of power is b-a, not usg. when we say something here, fact or no fact, it becomes "apparently", like it or not like it. 1050262;1426187206;mircea_popescu;when usg says something, it becomes allegedly, and until and unless it receives our imprimatur, it STAYS allegedly. 1050263;1426187222;mircea_popescu;and thus, bush allegedly won the 2nd electoral term. 1050264;1426187247;asciilifeform;is 'auction' where shill guaranteed to win still called 'auction' ? 1050265;1426187262;asciilifeform;or something else. 1050266;1426187270;mircea_popescu;well... allegedly. 1050267;1426187282;mircea_popescu;it's a tardstalk auction, basically. 1050268;1426187309;mircea_popescu;who was that guy kakobrekla really liked, cognitive-something. kept making these and then posing into the forum's ethics board. 1050269;1426187319;mircea_popescu;!up Aquent 1050270;1426187355;asciilifeform;to the extent something takes place on a known muppet theatre stage, it is not even all that important to go into the supposed 'motivations' of the muppets, when you can plainly see the arms growing out of their arses 1050271;1426187408;Aquent;did you buy 27k btc from the marshals mircea_popescu ? 1050272;1426187419;chetty;lmao 1050273;1426187426;mircea_popescu;i didn't make a statement on that. 1050274;1426187440;Aquent;yey or ney 1050275;1426187451;asciilifeform;Aquent: around here we buy only direct from hitler 1050276;1426187464;mircea_popescu;ahaha that ben_vulpes / adlai cultard thing. i'm bashing it. 1050277;1426187478;Aquent;ppl are saying you did 1050278;1426187482;Aquent;so you want to deny it? 1050279;1426187483;mircea_popescu;we should prolly hold a call vote see how mit is regarded, i thought it unanimously despised. 1050280;1426187501;mircea_popescu;Aquent i don't want to anything dood. you want to, an' so far it's not going too well. 1050281;1426187504;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm enthusiastically in favour of either bulldozing or turning into leprosorium 1050282;1426187506;asciilifeform;(mit) 1050283;1426187519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ironically, 50 years ago it was tip top 1050284;1426187526;asciilifeform;as recently as 30! 1050285;1426187535;mircea_popescu;arguably yes. 1050286;1426187537;chetty;whoa, what 'ppl are saying?' 1050287;1426187544;Aquent;well how did you come up with this name 1050288;1426187550;Aquent;this guy - what was the name again 1050289;1426187556;mircea_popescu;with what name ? 1050290;1426187559;Aquent;like no evidence no connection just some name 1050291;1426187577;mircea_popescu;you talking bout cazalla's article on qntra ? 1050292;1426187585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220450 @ 0.00033231 = 73.2577 BTC [-] {4} 1050293;1426187589;Aquent;yes 1050294;1426187596;mircea_popescu;well you better ask him then neh ? 1050295;1426187608;Aquent;Larry Dean Silvey 1050296;1426187649;trinque;the article itself gives its evidence 1050297;1426187663;Aquent;does it? 1050298;1426187698;cazalla;Aquent, not everything that pointed to him is included in the article 1050299;1426187720;Aquent;not anything that points to him is included 1050300;1426187730;trinque;the bit about the tweeted address is there 1050301;1426187742;mircea_popescu;the beauty of the internets, srsly. who the hell ever called up w r hearst to inquire about whatever points of minutia in some goddard article. 1050302;1426187747;mircea_popescu;we've clearly progressed. 1050303;1426187757;Aquent;lol 1050304;1426187762;Aquent;beauty of journalism innit 1050305;1426187772;Aquent;to do that research for me to easily read it 1050306;1426187775;Aquent;not do my own 1050307;1426187784;mircea_popescu;has little to do with journalism an' everything to do with... wel, irc, basically, and the very republican roots of la serenissima. 1050308;1426187850;Aquent;mircea_popescu if you did win the auction how much would have you paid per btc? 1050309;1426187861;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050043 << this is technically possible and not a negligible avenue of attack. 1050310;1426187861;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 10:20:24; ben_vulpes: that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc. 1050311;1426187869;mircea_popescu;i can readily see in the future "special" hard drives being made. 1050312;1426187884;mircea_popescu;Aquent i didn't make a statement about that, either. 1050313;1426187894;asciilifeform;re: post office idiocy: i fully expect that before the era of usg is over, 'serenissima' cargo will routinely travel with real-time ir camera (and 'glonass') feed from inside the box. 1050314;1426187904;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://i.imgur.com/SZFFlf1.jpg 1050315;1426187905;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwJFXl ) 1050316;1426187905;Aquent;I didn't say you did 1050317;1426187905;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'special' hard drives made presently. 1050318;1426187933;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you open it by the stove. 1050319;1426187947;asciilifeform;neh i meant - belonging to sender or receiver 1050320;1426187957;mircea_popescu;oh 1050321;1426187959;asciilifeform;a precious and carefully-sewn item 1050322;1426187965;asciilifeform;sent back, forth... 1050323;1426187969;asciilifeform;between phriends 1050324;1426188048;asciilifeform;if real-time satellite is costly and unreliable, a 'poor man's' version will contain two rsa keys. one will sign every frame and globe coordinate tuple -until package is opened-, the other - after 1050325;1426188068;asciilifeform;with the usual caveats re: sensor cat-mouse games 1050326;1426188078;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine that anyone cares this much. 1050327;1426188086;asciilifeform;depends what is moving, no? 1050328;1426188087;mircea_popescu;cheaper to use sluts curriers only. 1050329;1426188095;mircea_popescu;currently it's about half girls anyway 1050330;1426188096;asciilifeform;and who said inapplicable for living courier 1050331;1426188110;asciilifeform;iirc diplomatic mail already works quite like this. 1050332;1426188120;asciilifeform;with addition of manual pull ring for courier in case he is being poked 1050333;1426188127;asciilifeform;(thermite) 1050334;1426188151;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1050335;1426188175;asciilifeform;an absolutely-perfect $maxint gadget is not necessary to utterly deter idiots from fucking with mail 1050336;1426188190;asciilifeform;because their faced will be on 'youtube' etc. in real time. 1050337;1426188192;asciilifeform;*faces 1050338;1426188199;asciilifeform;and coordinates 1050339;1426188202;mircea_popescu;mail is not opened by hand 1050340;1426188229;asciilifeform;depends which set of idiots 1050341;1426188256;asciilifeform;when -from- 'respectable' folks like cisco - yes, by hand, stable of monkeys (its exact location was in #b-a not long ago) 1050342;1426188257;mircea_popescu;also true. 1050343;1426188268;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050076 << haha 1050344;1426188268;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 11:59:26; gabriel_laddel: Adlai: currently pestering bezzle lords to pay my bills so I can finish it off 1050345;1426188381;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050086 << well, fwiw it's a worthy thing to do. 1050346;1426188381;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 12:03:56; Adlai: sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that 1050347;1426188456;asciilifeform;Adlai: it is quite a feat to bring oneself to program in elisp after working with proper common lisp. don't know how you manage it. (iron will?) 1050348;1426188470;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103 << don't be ridiculous. for one thing, commodizing asic mining is a larger task than commodizing cpu arch. for the other, they're a fucking sv corp, they're not going to DO ANYTHING. just sit around and talk about shit. preferably at "conferences", or else "liveblog" it. 1050349;1426188470;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu 1050350;1426188517;asciilifeform;'commoditize' is a very, very odd thing for anyone to wish to do to mining. 1050351;1426188527;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050118 << tyhe problem is that baked in bitcoin dependencies can not be replaced. 1050352;1426188527;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 13:17:45; jurov: these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl? 1050353;1426188533;mircea_popescu;EVEN IF "it works now" 1050354;1426188556;*;Adlai has babbled about such concepts to vc-types while orbiting those circles (at a safe distance), there's always the faint glimmer of hope that a good meme takes root 1050355;1426188556;mircea_popescu;the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate. 1050356;1426188561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132400 @ 0.0003337 = 44.1819 BTC [+] {2} 1050357;1426188564;mircea_popescu;which is roughly what the power rangers figured out eventually too. 1050358;1426188573;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: read openssl. it's a spittoon. 1050359;1426188578;mircea_popescu;Adlai that faint glimmer reflects principally your tender years. 1050360;1426188586;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and, no, they didn't. they rewrote haphazardly and went 'so it works, stfu' 1050361;1426188595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no practical considerations will interfere with my strategic management!!1 1050362;1426188600;asciilifeform;l0lziez 1050363;1426188614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't mean in the past. i mean for the future. they're trying to make a "special file". 1050364;1426188619;mircea_popescu;put all the braindamage in there. 1050365;1426188625;Adlai;1st ¶ http://www.winstonchurchill.org/resources/quotations/quotes-falsely-attributed 1050366;1426188628;assbot;Quotes Falsely Attributed ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwPdRr ) 1050367;1426188679;mircea_popescu;heh 1050368;1426188863;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron 66 shitty twitter clicks are worth 50 bucks in the lalaland whjere twitter is a public company and so on and so forth. 1050369;1426188874;mircea_popescu;otherwise, they're a coupla hundred bucks to the million. 1050370;1426188963;mircea_popescu;fluffypony that's some kickass research on reddit submissions ? do you like do this professionally or something ? 1050371;1426189037;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050139 << lawl. 1050372;1426189037;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 15:28:00; danielpbarron: "how dare they get paid to write when I have to pay reddit!!1" 1050373;1426189093;asciilifeform;update on 'macrofab' - vendor apologized, insists that they did not authorize 'no signature', offers to do another run (schedule unspecified) gratis 1050374;1426189101;asciilifeform;if thing doesn't show up by end of wk 1050375;1426189111;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050161 << the chemist got it. 1050376;1426189111;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 15:39:19; PeterL: anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either 1050377;1426189130;mircea_popescu;animality, anonimity, what the hell's the difference. 1050378;1426189144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so vendor knows they never shipped. 1050379;1426189155;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wrote in a 'wtf' 1050380;1426189160;asciilifeform;shortly before sharing the tale 1050381;1426189184;mircea_popescu;seems this process would have sunk them by now, but hey. 1050382;1426189194;asciilifeform;'macrofab' opened ~1 mo. ago 1050383;1426189218;asciilifeform;and is, afaik, presently the only outfit of its kind 1050384;1426189238;asciilifeform;(who knows how long will last, or even if works. i was going to learn something by opening that crate...) 1050385;1426189252;mircea_popescu;aite, i take it back, we see. 1050386;1426189311;asciilifeform;it'd still have a 'too good to be true' flavour were it at 10x the quoted price - so i'm not expecting much 1050387;1426189325;Adlai;even if you think both of those are tentacles of the same octopusg, they do have independent nervous systems 1050388;1426189360;asciilifeform;Adlai: the tentacles, where i stand, flail wildly and without purpose 1050389;1426189365;asciilifeform;Adlai: i know this because of being still alive 1050390;1426189369;Adlai;sure 1050391;1426189373;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050204 << just to blow your mind : you are speaking to a man who has bought that sort of thing (apartment, 3 rooms, 75 sqm) for 350 dollars. 1050392;1426189373;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 17:10:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Why would a property in a peso land be worth dollars ? Oh, because the peso is shit, they readily explain to you. Well, if the peso is shit, why do you imagine your real estate is worth anything at all ? ' << because if it were 10 usd, a beggar from calcutta would buy it and live in it; if it were 10K usd, i'd buy it; if it were 100K usd, american speculator corps. would buy it. so it 1050393;1426189405;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: betcha you had to spend more than 350 to turn into the sort of fella who might open the door behind which it costs 350. 1050394;1426189417;asciilifeform;'linux is free if...' etc 1050395;1426189419;Adlai;both hands thinking they're the right one is functionally equivalent to 'all thumbs' 1050396;1426189424;mircea_popescu;Adlai you know, you should probably write an exhaustive discussion of the cult an' publish it on yoru blog, rather than bottle it up and end up pankkake'd. 1050397;1426189432;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope. 1050398;1426189435;*;Adlai has a blog? 1050399;1426189439;mircea_popescu;make one. 1050400;1426189449;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ok i'll bite. where do i buy one. 1050401;1426189461;mircea_popescu;gorj, romania's lignite mining county, finally had govt subsidies cut after 5 years of the mines n olonger being economically workable. 1050402;1426189462;asciilifeform;and i think i'd like a 'boeing' too, for 250. 1050403;1426189472;mircea_popescu;prices collapsed, an apt could be had for a working color tv.\ 1050404;1426189480;mircea_popescu;because everyone wanted to just fucking leave. 1050405;1426189487;mircea_popescu;it came back to sense within a decade. 1050406;1426189520;mircea_popescu;this was an earlier time in romania : foreigners weren't allowed to own property, like in fucking burma, and locals were the sort of retards the soviet collapse left behind, 1050407;1426189521;asciilifeform;as i understand it costs more than that to have your title not magicked away by the 'big boy' privatizers in the locale 1050408;1426189526;mircea_popescu;not the slightest clue of a commercial spirit. 1050409;1426189542;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you misunderstand. no title was ever magicked. 1050410;1426189545;asciilifeform;aha if no foreigners, even easier 1050411;1426189554;asciilifeform;that's the only way prices like this can exist 1050412;1426189558;mircea_popescu;yup 1050413;1426189561;asciilifeform;or soros et al would snap up the whole shebang 1050414;1426189578;mircea_popescu;worthless dollars being worthless, of course. 1050415;1426189589;asciilifeform;only' 1050416;1426189598;asciilifeform;' 500k 'worthless' dollars buy a moscow flat 1050417;1426189612;asciilifeform;today. 1050418;1426189617;mircea_popescu;Adlai there's nothing wrong with hatin' an' railin'. on the contrary. meanwhile the attempt to not do so seems to be damaging for the attempter. 1050419;1426189640;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't live in moscow if the flat were free. 1050420;1426189647;asciilifeform;just example. 1050421;1426189666;*;Adlai isn't hating and generally doesn't reach critical mass of serialized words to justify a 'blog' 1050422;1426189690;mircea_popescu;Adlai just a thought. 1050423;1426189715;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050208 << why the fuck would you own furniture in excess of the real estate you own ? 1050424;1426189715;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 17:15:40; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unlike anywhere in the civilised world, the Argentines rent unfurnished.' << wai wat?! most rental pads where i live are unfurnished - just the way i like it (wtf to do with the incl. furniture if you have your own?) 1050425;1426189723;mircea_popescu;this is like renting cars without the engine. "because i have an engine" 1050426;1426189730;mircea_popescu;why the fuck are you going around with an debodied engine! 1050427;1426189741;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not in excess. in exactly the correct volume. 1050428;1426189743;mircea_popescu;to rent means, ready to use. 1050429;1426189756;mircea_popescu;if i rent i expect to take the keys, take a girl there and fuck her in this order. 1050430;1426189758;asciilifeform;but no, i don't have precisely same items to put in rented space as the neighbouring derps 1050431;1426189761;mircea_popescu;if i wanted a place to work on i'd buy it. 1050432;1426189784;*;Adlai has also been busy with the likes of https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl/commit/d5b1b52 1050433;1426189786;assbot;http://www.dorodango.com/create.html · d5b1b52 · adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mwt35I ) 1050434;1426189786;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so then you're muddying the discussion up by being one of those who lives in a warehouse 1050435;1426189797;mircea_popescu;obviously warehouses are rented empty whether you live in them or not. 1050436;1426189804;mircea_popescu;this is residential not commercial space we're discussing here. 1050437;1426189823;asciilifeform;Adlai: aaargh, is that a shell callout!? wtf 1050438;1426189833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking of my actual residence here 1050439;1426189844;asciilifeform;i -like- my desk, chair, etc. don't want 'generic' ones when i move 1050440;1426189850;chetty;germany unfurnished apts didnt even have a kitchen sink 1050441;1426189857;mircea_popescu;you're nuts, the lot of you. 1050442;1426189859;Adlai;asciilifeform: i've not yet polished hdw, the only reason i touched that file is so the commit would still pass tests 1050443;1426189872;Adlai;(guy used a defconstant symbol as a local variable) 1050444;1426189878;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares about the desk! and a chair, whatever, you just... buy a new one! that fits! 1050445;1426189886;mircea_popescu;what sort of consumerist culture is this anymore! 1050446;1426189887;asciilifeform;Adlai: and srsly, sha256 as a callout?! it's a pg or 2 1050447;1426189902;*;Adlai will lift from ironclad when the time comes 1050448;1426189902;trinque;mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?! 1050449;1426189918;Adlai;(with the medium/long plan, if this thing reaches usable quality, being backporting) 1050450;1426189921;Adlai;or upstreaming 1050451;1426189925;Adlai;or whatever the kids call it 1050452;1426189929;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if were moving to, wherever, jp, yes - things more economical to buy 2nd time than ship - would 1050453;1426189933;mircea_popescu;trinque i never used a chair for more than i dunno, a year ? two ? 1050454;1426189934;asciilifeform;but that isn't 100% of furniture 1050455;1426189939;chetty; mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?!// longer than modern ones last 1050456;1426189945;trinque;haha 1050457;1426189954;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you also go around with your bed ? 1050458;1426189960;mircea_popescu;"this is my bed, my grandmother died in it" 1050459;1426189961;asciilifeform;phun phakt: i once had a costly, 'premium' type office chair spontaneously convert into a stake 1050460;1426189967;Adlai;;;ud chair ass 1050461;1426189968;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chair+Ass | Chair Ass. The natural effect of the slow growth and spread of a clerical worker's physical frame, across the span of years of combining vending machine snack ... 1050462;1426189972;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda why you change them yearly. 1050463;1426189978;Adlai;clerical workers, the lot o ya 1050464;1426189983;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or use one made 20+ yrs ago 1050465;1426189990;trinque;Adlai: standing desk is where it's at 1050466;1426189996;trinque;better for pacing angrily 1050467;1426189996;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCmeHCnPwxY 1050468;1426189998;assbot;Homer - Ass Groove - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwZOvL ) 1050469;1426189998;asciilifeform;my brother works in a chair that almost certainly was once at 'bell labs' 1050470;1426189999;mircea_popescu;look, if you're going to fill a place with antiques, YOU SHOULD NOT BE RENTING IT 1050471;1426190002;asciilifeform;it is indestructible. 1050472;1426190013;mircea_popescu;antiques suffer from transport, and wtf do you even want to put nice furniture in a place you don't like., 1050473;1426190021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, plainly antiques should only travel in atomic dirigible 1050474;1426190044;asciilifeform;for the rest of us, who don't have access to $maxint - they sit in rented hovels, yes 1050475;1426190050;chetty;oo thats what I want a desk that goes up and down so you can sit or stand :D 1050476;1426190061;asciilifeform;chetty: we have these where i work 1050477;1426190069;asciilifeform;chetty: overrated imho 1050478;1426190069;Adlai;!s ikea shelf 1050479;1426190070;assbot;0 results for 'ikea shelf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ikea+shelf 1050480;1426190070;mircea_popescu;basically, you're in this space that doens't eixst, at all. there's a) real estate you own, and you like enough to own, which contains furniture of value proprotionate to that. and b) real estate you don't give a shit about, if you come back to find it ablaze you just shrug and move on. 1050481;1426190081;mircea_popescu;yours is some sort of insane c) where it has all the disadvantages of both. 1050482;1426190092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is approximately correct 1050483;1426190099;mircea_popescu;well so then, here's an idle thought : 1050484;1426190109;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is puzzled because he can afford sanity 1050485;1426190120;mircea_popescu;the reason you find it so hard to escape the gravity well is in no small part due to the fact that you;ve spent many decades making the wrong decisions and they're a bitch to undo. 1050486;1426190122;asciilifeform;but over here we live in demented pauper-land where sanity is a premium product available to select few. 1050487;1426190140;mircea_popescu;hardest of all is to move from c). 1050488;1426190152;asciilifeform;decades << not quite decade 1050489;1426190171;mircea_popescu;may explain why you're even contemplating the alien insanity, instead of just telling me i'm evil. 1050490;1426190176;asciilifeform;but otherwise a nearly obvious description of what a gravity well even is 1050491;1426190181;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh. 1050492;1426190199;asciilifeform;i mean no shit, it sucks and no one would climb in on his own volition 1050493;1426190211;asciilifeform;if knew what's in the tank 1050494;1426190214;mircea_popescu;myeah. i see it. well... i feel better for having discussed it! 1050495;1426190239;asciilifeform;but i probably should elaborate a little 1050496;1426190251;asciilifeform;would happily set fire to all of it if had the other half of the conundrum licked 1050497;1426190263;mircea_popescu;that's a rare man, and a virtually inexistent woman. 1050498;1426190275;chetty;I beg your pardon 1050499;1426190278;asciilifeform;l0l 1050500;1426190288;trinque;easier when you're poor, heh. I've moved across the country several times, selling all the crap that didn't fit in a car 1050501;1426190297;asciilifeform;trinque: i used to be 'theoretical' 1050502;1426190305;mircea_popescu;chetty it's rare. you know it's rare. 1050503;1426190306;asciilifeform;which is what i call folks who don't need any physical plant 1050504;1426190309;trinque;better to advance the career, get another tv or whatever 1050505;1426190318;asciilifeform;a good friend of mine is 'theoretical' 1050506;1426190319;trinque;asciilifeform: ah yeah, I am mostly bits 1050507;1426190321;asciilifeform;a mathematician 1050508;1426190324;asciilifeform;i envy him often 1050509;1426190327;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> which is what i call folks who don't need any physical plant << which is why i said i was a theoretical physicist :) 1050510;1426190334;trinque;heh! 1050511;1426190348;chetty;rare it may be, but it does exist 1050512;1426190364;mircea_popescu;it does. 1050513;1426190374;mircea_popescu;hey, i covered my ass with that virtually in there. 1050514;1426190375;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: yeah, when he accused me of having a financial interest I got bored 1050515;1426190375;asciilifeform;i trained the pet, inadvertantly, by threatening, for some years, to move us into a ship 1050516;1426190384;fluffypony;stupid moron 1050517;1426190389;asciilifeform;(which at one point wanted to do) 1050518;1426190391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97406 @ 0.00034083 = 33.1989 BTC [+] {3} 1050519;1426190402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the what's his name disease 1050520;1426190403;mircea_popescu;orlov 1050521;1426190404;asciilifeform;aha 1050522;1426190409;mircea_popescu;i've been on ships. they suck. 1050523;1426190415;mircea_popescu;fucking bilge, nuff said. 1050524;1426190416;asciilifeform;know what else sucks? 1050525;1426190421;asciilifeform;living on land in gringolandia 1050526;1426190423;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I don't redditard professionally, I used PRAW + some python to grab the info and then shoved it into Excel of all things 1050527;1426190424;asciilifeform;on $smallint 1050528;1426190439;mircea_popescu;fluffypony well the results were so out of place for the venue. like... wow. 1050529;1426190458;asciilifeform;on the ship you get the thing americans pay $maxint for - maximize distance from nearest human on command - for $0. 1050530;1426190467;mircea_popescu;well, for $gas 1050531;1426190470;fluffypony;I was very annoyed :-P 1050532;1426190471;asciilifeform;sail. 1050533;1426190479;mircea_popescu;op get the motherfucking fuck out. 1050534;1426190482;asciilifeform;(orlov has a small engine, he claims only for parking) 1050535;1426190484;mircea_popescu;you were going to live on a sailboat ? 1050536;1426190490;mircea_popescu;what are you, a cartoon character ? 1050537;1426190504;asciilifeform;had idea before reading mr o, but it was him who demonstrated that it can be done on something less than orbital budget 1050538;1426190524;asciilifeform;anyway, i'm not satisfied presently with his demonstration. he cheated. 1050539;1426190533;mircea_popescu;you ever like... i dunno, ever had a friend in porn invite you to spend a while with a coupla girls on a yacht ? or generally, spent any time on a sail vessel ? 1050540;1426190570;*;asciilifeform is not an expert or veteran of the art. but also is not esp. susceptible to motion sickness 1050541;1426190584;mircea_popescu;but have you ever spent, a whole day, on a sail anything, at sea. 1050542;1426190589;asciilifeform;nope. 1050543;1426190602;mircea_popescu;yes. well, before you expend any serious money / other resources on this, do that. 1050544;1426190604;trinque;the sail really gets the thing swaying 1050545;1426190613;mircea_popescu;you can not begin to imagine how fucking inconvenient it is. at all. 1050546;1426190628;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for this and other reasons decided that 'too orbital' for budget constraint. 1050547;1426190631;mircea_popescu;i mean sure, as an outing, soemthing to do for a day or w/e, great. splendid sport. 1050548;1426190638;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, jail is BY FAR more comfortable. 1050549;1426190680;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't want to live in a bob sleigh or inside your go-kart either. it's not that dissimilar. 1050550;1426190719;*;asciilifeform searches memory for historical figures who are known to have done any serious thinking while under sail 1050551;1426190726;mircea_popescu;nelson, for one. 1050552;1426190731;mircea_popescu;but he sailed an english manowar. 1050553;1426190745;asciilifeform;aha 1050554;1426190746;mircea_popescu;also franklin. but he sailed english ocean liners. 1050555;1426190749;mircea_popescu;also twain, same. 1050556;1426190757;mircea_popescu;none of these are the thing here discussed. 1050557;1426190775;asciilifeform;at any rate, mr o spends most of his time at anchor 1050558;1426190784;mircea_popescu;because "he chooses to" right ? 1050559;1426190803;asciilifeform;the machine, as i understand, is for reasonably quick, inexpensive, and unobtrusive jurisdiction-switching 1050560;1426190808;mircea_popescu;would be a shitload cheaper to just rent serially. FURNISHED appartments. 1050561;1426190813;asciilifeform;as well as climate-switching 1050562;1426190830;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: air travel -> arse inspection. sail - not yet (doesn't scale well) 1050563;1426190835;mircea_popescu;yeah, sure, because he couldn't be served just as well by a common bus. 1050564;1426190878;asciilifeform;bus to uninhabited islands ? 1050565;1426190879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00034423 = 24.1305 BTC [+] {2} 1050566;1426190896;asciilifeform;boat is a machine for getting away from fucking humans 1050567;1426190916;asciilifeform;bus, passenger plane, auto - no. 1050568;1426190916;mircea_popescu;mkay. 1050569;1426190924;mircea_popescu;i propose this matter still needs a lot more thinking. 1050570;1426190940;asciilifeform;it solves an actual problem, that some folks perceive themselves as having 1050571;1426190968;asciilifeform;which is the one in 'stand on zanzibar' and of the 'mouse city' overpopulation experiment 1050572;1426190969;chetty;I could go for a deserted island :) 1050573;1426190995;asciilifeform;chetty: by far the most economical way to get there is on water 1050574;1426191027;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050212 << i'm on the record saying that italians are really the scourge of europe, gypsyes muchly preferable. 1050575;1426191027;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 17:19:11; *: Adlai wonders how http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/#footnote_1_60514 fits with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQuuoKXVq0 1050576;1426191083;Adlai;https://i.imgur.com/xV3sl.gif 1050577;1426191085;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwvPHU ) 1050578;1426191109;mircea_popescu;yeah well, there could scarcely be imagined a more degenerate people. 1050579;1426191120;mircea_popescu;make the italian a cook and forget it. 1050580;1426191184;mod6;jurov: not even a test email made it through. 1050581;1426191316;mircea_popescu;hahaha the youtube ends on the same note. "let them do the food" 1050582;1426191319;danielpbarron;this video about itally might as well be about U.S., or Connecticut at least 1050583;1426191373;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050215 << this is a complicated question. generally, the damage was done early on by a (perhaps understandably) revancharde russia, and late on, by a completely local brewed idiot. 1050584;1426191373;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 17:19:15; asciilifeform: thing is, colonizing power is not necessarily a civilizing one. how'd ya like ru colonial period in ro? 1050585;1426191393;mircea_popescu;otherwise, romania was in europe throughout, it was going to push industrialization through regardless. 1050586;1426191421;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron the problem with places that used to be great but lacked the social structure to support it is they degenerate essentially the same way. 1050587;1426191448;asciilifeform;walls of constantinopol 1050588;1426191464;mircea_popescu;"give us your tired, your hungry" omits the whole picture : sure a country of immigrants is a grand way to build yourself up. but, necesarily, it's a great way to fall over like a deflated donut within a century. 1050589;1426191469;mircea_popescu;happens every time. 1050590;1426191494;mod6;give us ur derps 1050591;1426191666;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050233 << funny thing being, that if they actually want a copy they can just ask neh ? 1050592;1426191666;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 18:52:56; asciilifeform: i think this one went to /dev/null 1050593;1426191677;asciilifeform;phr33 s4mpl3 1050594;1426191696;asciilifeform;will hand-deliver to hitler if he asks nicely 1050595;1426191753;asciilifeform;nobody wants a copy, but only to be annoying 1050596;1426191773;mircea_popescu;which is the ridiculousness of it all. teenaged priss kinda likes a boy, does not find it within her purview to go on knees moan for cock. oh no, must pretend this that and the other. 1050597;1426191802;mircea_popescu;god forbid we think less of her unless she doesn't do the exact things that make one think less of her. 1050598;1426191819;mircea_popescu;basically the usg is about 15 and has grown up on a gated community. in connecticut. 1050599;1426191835;asciilifeform;more like cat that 'plays with its food' 1050600;1426191852;asciilifeform;'we're in no hurry, you and i', the beast says to the mouse 1050601;1426191868;mircea_popescu;mno. 1050602;1426191968;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#985304 << is the "BTC" side of this to be paid post-fork, because otherwise the deal is really 750 BTC + 750 gavincoin in exchange for 1k gavincoin 1050603;1426191968;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 02:32:01; mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. 1050604;1426191972;asciilifeform;i mean, i'd like to think not, but cannot fairly claim to be certain of not being mouse 1050605;1426192015;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron ahem. through what sort of magic the parts summed exceed the sum ? 1050606;1426192064;danielpbarron;750 BTC today will be on both chains post-fork 1050607;1426192122;mircea_popescu;right. 1050608;1426192213;danielpbarron;so someone pays you 750 BTC today, which turns into 750 BTC and 750 GSC (gavinscamcoin) later, and you just need to buy another 250 GSC to settle the deal 1050609;1426192382;mircea_popescu;or in other words, they make 250 gsc for no risk, if they believe this theory whereby "people" will "update" to gavincoin on gavin's say so. 1050610;1426192391;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: that assumes this 750 BTC is prefork. 1050611;1426192430;danielpbarron;right, it's still a "good deal" to those who are so sure the fork will be a hit; i'm just trying to figure out how "good a deal" it is 1050612;1426192773;danielpbarron;so it's kinda like they are trading 750 BTC for 250 GSC, no? 1050613;1426192796;danielpbarron;where BTC is this "stilly worthless thing" to them 1050614;1426192904;mike_c;danielpbarron: you need to be 75% confident to break even 1050615;1426192919;mike_c;if you are > than that confident in gavincoin, it's a good deal 1050616;1426192941;mike_c;i can do the math for you if it's helpful 1050617;1426193000;danielpbarron;I think I got it now. I was hung up on my own bias against GSC 1050618;1426193043;danielpbarron;in that, I would probably be willing to trade 750 GSC for 250 BTC 1050619;1426193115;mike_c;then you can undercut mp :) quick, make an exchange! 1050620;1426193197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9293 @ 0.00033945 = 3.1545 BTC [-] 1050621;1426193203;danielpbarron;are you making me an offer? 1050622;1426193256;mike_c;no, i don't sell btc for fiat or for gavincoin. 1050623;1426193380;davout;this video about italians is amazing 1050624;1426193380;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1050625;1426193416;davout;the retarded part of the french also clap at landings 1050626;1426193452;davout;mircea_popescu: furnished flats are the exception in france too 1050627;1426193521;asciilifeform;davout: i suspect that they're absolutely standard wherever inhabited by ordinary folks, rather than business travellers or mircea_popescu with $maxint 1050628;1426193633;Adlai;davout: my cdg layover mia→tlv was packed with equal parts frenchman and jew... confusion over whether to clap was palpable. 1050629;1426193657;davout;haha 1050630;1426193659;asciilifeform;davout: unfurnished, that is 1050631;1426193663;asciilifeform;rather than furnished 1050632;1426193667;davout;asciilifeform: yea you got me confused 1050633;1426193706;davout;Adlai: they seriously made you login to your comp? that's pretty retarded 1050634;1426193726;mike_c;americans only clap when landing in las vegas. 1050635;1426193748;asciilifeform;davout: the laptop thing is becoming standard in most of the usg world 1050636;1426193779;Adlai;after i repeated "linux" a bunch of times, ran xterm and opened random man pages, eventually the guy got overwhelmed/embarassed and just waved me on 1050637;1426193790;asciilifeform;davout: if it has any purpose whatsoever, it is a training run for shoulder-surfing the pw in case they decide to confiscate the machine 1050638;1426193795;davout;asciilifeform: is it to search it? or to check that it isn't just filled /w explosives? 1050639;1426193812;asciilifeform;davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050246 1050640;1426193812;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 18:58:33; asciilifeform: Adlai: i still don't get this notion where t3rr0s1stz -somehow must- replace -all- of the cells in the battery with plastique, instead of only half 1050641;1426193835;Adlai;asciilifeform: if that's the case, the guy failed afaict, seemed to be waiting for graphical login and was shocked to discover that all had taken place in text 1050642;1426193844;davout;good thing i'm only carrying my friends laptop i don't have the credentials to 1050643;1426193857;Adlai;(he was totally zoned out until i pulled him back to reality, impatient to get IN the plane) 1050644;1426193863;asciilifeform;davout: insta-confiscation, presumed plastique. 1050645;1426193871;asciilifeform;in usg airport 1050646;1426193880;*;Adlai is amazed that his laptop passes chemical swabs 1050647;1426193891;asciilifeform;(sorta like admitting that you have someone else's suitcase) 1050648;1426193894;davout;asciilifeform: i don't really get why logging in to it isn't deemed enough proof it isn't a bomb 1050649;1426193900;Adlai;for, ahem, contraband of the airborn pollen variety. 1050650;1426193907;asciilifeform;davout: because it's a lie 1050651;1426193915;Adlai;it's proof that you don't care about 'unlocking' the device 1050652;1426193929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00033945 = 17.5835 BTC [-] 1050653;1426193935;davout;braindamaged on so many levels 1050654;1426193936;Adlai;you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open? 1050655;1426193951;davout;danielpbarron: btw when i say an exchange, i mean an exchange 1050656;1426193953;Adlai;not really, it's behavioral profiling and it works when you're less braindamaged than your expected enemy 1050657;1426193958;trinque;they're just derping through a script they've been taught 1050658;1426193968;trinque;they care that they hit the major bullet points, don't care how effectively 1050659;1426193969;asciilifeform;Adlai: everyone has. because actual anal inspection for every 'client' takes far too long. instead - lottery. 1050660;1426193985;asciilifeform;when your number comes up - then, then the fun. 1050661;1426193990;trinque;generally smiling at the fucks and making pleasantries is enough to get through quickly 1050662;1426194000;danielpbarron;davout, well I posted the invite on the forum; they know where to come 1050663;1426194018;trinque;though I may be white and combed-hair enough to not be bothered often 1050664;1426194029;Adlai;army tactic: let 99% pass unmolested, anally inspect the random 1%. (and call in female sergeant for the other inspection) 1050665;1426194054;Adlai;like TA, this only works if everybody knows you're doing it 1050666;1426194056;trinque;Adlai: the point in my mind is that these aren't ideologically motivated goons 1050667;1426194067;davout;danielpbarron: you mean an invite to -otc? 1050668;1426194067;Adlai;no, the guy at the border check was just doing his job 1050669;1426194069;trinque;they're just bored kids, with as much focused malice as a bored kid can muster 1050670;1426194074;Adlai;he was really embarassed at how impatient i got 1050671;1426194114;*;Adlai wasn't sure what to expect, but in his mind, it involved at least being led away from the public areas... no such privilege, just awkwards blocking the line 1050672;1426194161;trinque;I have no trouble smiling and being friendly with some govt goon if it gets me on my plane quicker, or out of the airport quicker 1050673;1426194176;danielpbarron;davout, to here.. -assets 1050674;1426194201;davout;ah, well to take up the offer you got clarification about amirite 1050675;1426194325;davout;either way, it can't really work now, there can't really be a contract that defines what a gavincoin is before the guy actually commits some code 1050676;1426194389;danielpbarron;it can't really work now because anyone dumb enough to want to make the deal doesn't actually have enough money for it to be worthwhile 1050677;1426194419;danielpbarron;that aside, it should technically be possible to strike a deal 1050678;1426194478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00033945 = 13.2046 BTC [-] 1050679;1426194511;davout;there are plenty of people dumb enough to take the deal that also happen to have >1k 1050680;1426194573;davout;it's not possible, because defining gavincoin as "everything that is not bitcoin" just doesn't work 1050681;1426194638;danielpbarron;i'd define it the way they do: a fork of bitcoin that gets 80% consensus from miners (or 75% or 95%, whatever magic number they want) 1050682;1426194706;davout;what if it's like a emergency bugfix harfork? or any kind of non-braindamaged hardfork we actually agree with? 1050683;1426194808;davout;because the contract also has to have an expiration, in case the hardfork never actually happens 1050684;1426194813;asciilifeform;80% << obligatory >> 'We use the term "thieves" if the number of men does not exceed seven, "band of marauders" [or "war-band"] for a number between seven and thirty-five. Anything beyond this is an "army".' 1050685;1426194819;asciilifeform;( http://www.regia.org/research/warfare/fyrd1.htm ) 1050686;1426194820;assbot;Regia Anglorum - The Fyrd (Army) in Anglo-Saxon England - Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9XjQK ) 1050687;1426194858;danielpbarron;i could specify that it doesn't count as a fork if the resulting coin is still accepted by MPEx :p 1050688;1426194946;asciilifeform;lol, package -did- show. 1050689;1426194995;asciilifeform;even a free sample board in there. 1050690;1426195230;mike_c;pics 1050691;1426195258;mike_c;do they look visually reasonable? no balls of solder hanging off the sides? 1050692;1426195267;asciilifeform;visually yes 1050693;1426195356;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf2.jpg 1050694;1426195366;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ 1050695;1426195387;asciilifeform;one of the bags contains an empty board (souvenir?) - order consisted of two assembled standard rng 1050696;1426195459;davout;danielpbarron: :) 1050697;1426195482;nubbins`;alf, cool 1050698;1426195499;asciilifeform;did not yet test 1050699;1426195513;asciilifeform;dimensions are perfect within visual limits, though boards have panelization burrs 1050700;1426195530;asciilifeform;(unlike my cn supplier which ships only perfectly-smooth edges) 1050701;1426195547;asciilifeform;ic orientations are correct 1050702;1426195550;nubbins`;where'd this batch come from? 1050703;1426195555;asciilifeform;'macrofab' 1050704;1426195557;nubbins`;a 1050705;1426195575;nubbins`;much price diff? 1050706;1426195576;asciilifeform;recently-opened outfit in usa 1050707;1426195599;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i have nothing with which to compare the price. nobody else on the planet does qty.1 smt assembly+board with no tooling charge 1050708;1426195619;nubbins`;that's the ultimate bespoke, hey? 1050709;1426195627;asciilifeform;for their weight in gold. 1050710;1426195647;nubbins`;HEH. 1050711;1426195649;asciilifeform;will say later if these even work. 1050712;1426195688;nubbins`;i was gonna offer to purchase the empty board for posterity, but i doubt that's on the table anymore 8) 1050713;1426195828;*;nubbins` generally only buys two things at gold/oz cost -- gold and printer ink 1050714;1426195835;nubbins`;and even printer ink, i'm buying in bulk these days 1050715;1426196011;nubbins`;...and fwiw there was a tooling charge, just not presented as such :P 1050716;1426196549;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/latest-ransomware-targets-game-files-related-applications/ 1050717;1426196559;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg 1050718;1426196567;asciilifeform;^ left hand: them. right hand: me. 1050719;1426196738;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, anyone else who cares ^ 1050720;1426196853;asciilifeform;nubbins`: tooling charge is rolled into everything, sure 1050721;1426196858;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050687 < a fork by any other name... what's so hard about referencing blocksize in the contract? 1050722;1426196858;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 21:14:18; danielpbarron: i could specify that it doesn't count as a fork if the resulting coin is still accepted by MPEx :p 1050723;1426196871;asciilifeform;nubbins`: but very different from when you pay 500 usd per individual change in the layout. 1050724;1426196907;nubbins`;re pics, nb! 1050725;1426196960;nubbins`;i came across a picker/placer robot arm project recently that i meant to paste here 1050726;1426196998;nubbins`;will literally never find it again 1050727;1426197037;Adlai;;;google zenrobotics 1050728;1426197038;gribble;ZenRobotics: Product: ; Company | ZenRobotics: ; ZenRobotics - YouTube: 1050729;1426197303;danielpbarron;what's so hard about << I guess I care more about it being accepted by MPEx than I care about the blocksize 1050730;1426197338;danielpbarron;that is, if MP says the blocksize needs to go up, then up it shall go! 1050731;1426197437;davout;Adlai: because imo a one-off 2mb block size increase coin would be valued very differently from an exponential-growth block size coin 1050732;1426197448;danielpbarron;not that i think this will ever be demanded, but there could other changes needed to avert catastrophe that depend on a fork 1050733;1426197496;danielpbarron;especially when considering how messy the code apparently is 1050734;1426197511;davout;Adlai: for such a thing to make sense it has to give the ability to short gavincoin into the dirt, nothing else 1050735;1426197517;danielpbarron;sounds like the thing could accidentally fork at any moment 1050736;1426197522;davout;lol 1050737;1426197579;danielpbarron;ascii is right though, for the purpose of this gavincoin thing, specifying block size should be sufficient 1050738;1426197589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033986 = 19.1341 BTC [+] {2} 1050739;1426197619;danielpbarron;ah i see what davout is sayinng 1050740;1426197633;danielpbarron;your exchange could have many different fork-coin options to trade 1050741;1426197652;danielpbarron;"if there is a block bigger than X, Y, or Z 1050742;1426197760;*;danielpbarron is still skeptical that there is any demand for USGavincoin 1050743;1426197803;danielpbarron;when it's not that the deal isn't good enough, or that it's too hard to define, it becomes "can't trust you -- need to first invent smart contracts" 1050744;1426197872;danielpbarron;"By developing software that does that and by assuring that we have enough block space to include all the rules. Why everything that you say has to be limited somehow? Why can't we have freedom to do whatever we want?" 1050745;1426197926;davout;this one is magical 1050746;1426197964;*;Adlai is reminded of #b-w the other day starting around https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2015-03-10/?msg=33809596&page=6 1050747;1426197965;assbot;IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1F58hY8 ) 1050748;1426198014;Adlai;if you really want to boost bitcoin's hashrate, why not organize a tx processing strike? 1050749;1426198019;Adlai;(answer: because miners dgaf) 1050750;1426198064;mircea_popescu;ugh. 1050751;1426198071;mircea_popescu;so fucking stupid srlsy. 1050752;1426198102;davout;mircea_popescu: Y U NO BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY??? 1050753;1426198158;mircea_popescu;Most of these folks simultaneously demand government programs to alleviate poverty and hunger, mass transit so the poor can get to where the good jobs are, and international aid to the Third World. In short they want structured, paternalistic programs that address needs defined by the intellectual elite. They are bitterly opposed to innovations that merely give the masses more goods, food, or money and leave the decisi 1050754;1426198158;mircea_popescu;on making to individuals. 1050755;1426198158;mircea_popescu;First, the money has to be taken by force from the wealthy. Voluntary contributions don't count. Taxation at a level that the wealthy will consent to doesn't count. Any approach that recognizes the wealthy as having rights is unsatisfactory. Even worse is any recognition of philanthropy and the idea that some of the wealthy have social consciences. 1050756;1426198162;mircea_popescu;Second, the programs can only address needs defined by the intellectual elite. We won't provide cheaper cars; we'll force people to use mass transit. One volunteer aid group once did a study of Third World needs, concluded that one of the most pressing needs in Third World countries was transportation, then excluded automobiles from consideration because they felt that automobiles had a negative effect. When mass trans 1050757;1426198167;mircea_popescu;it doesn't work in the low-density U.S., we'll try to compel people to live in higher density housing. 1050758;1426198188;mircea_popescu;see, this is exactly adeuqate : these fuckwits are the exact prototype of the sterile "intellectual". they wish to matter, and they wish this mattering to happen through administrative measures. 1050759;1426198195;mircea_popescu;so "why don't you organize a boycott" 1050760;1426198203;mircea_popescu;"well... because i'm not a dickless dipsit, like you." 1050761;1426198210;mircea_popescu;dipshit* 1050762;1426198544;cazalla;Adlai: you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open? <<< my first evar job was bag checker/door security at a retail store, i would ask to look in bag, they would open, i would nod and they'd walk out.. they might've easily walked in, filled up the bag and walked out with the goods because i sure as fuck didn't know 1050763;1426198565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149732 @ 0.00034058 = 50.9957 BTC [+] {4} 1050764;1426198622;Adlai;but if they don't want to open the bag? game's over 1050765;1426198697;mircea_popescu;Adlai i dunno, i told a schmucky kid once to mind his own business. nothing happened./ 1050766;1426198721;Adlai;how inconvenient 1050767;1426198737;mircea_popescu;um ? 1050768;1426198740;davout;cazalla: it's all theatre 1050769;1426198761;Adlai;nm ! 1050770;1426198767;cazalla;Adlai, no-one ever objected and i imagine that to anyone who wanted to come steal socks and undies, i was a god send 1050771;1426198793;Adlai;where was this? there are probably better targets for shoplifters who need to make a living 1050772;1426198802;Adlai;oz? 1050773;1426198803;mircea_popescu;some supermarket. 1050774;1426198827;mircea_popescu;well... i also told the derpy organisers of some local "swinger's club" to get bent after they wanted the chick to check her clutch. 1050775;1426198830;cazalla;Adlai, it was at store similar to target or kmart, but just clothing 1050776;1426198832;mircea_popescu;wtf ever heard of such nonsense. 1050777;1426198864;Adlai;there's something intoxicating about a position of power, even if it doesn't really mean anything 1050778;1426198895;Adlai;especially when the intoxicated goon thinks it means the world 1050779;1426198909;mircea_popescu;autoritah! 1050780;1426198925;Adlai;dishiprin. 1050781;1426198940;mircea_popescu;really, it's not about the position, it's about the scumbag. this is how you know vulgar folk in all times of places, that they're made of base metal : if put in charge they foul things up. 1050782;1426198943;cazalla;Adlai, ah i never saw it as such, i was only placed at the door because i got the job as a result of nepotism and they had to put me somewhere hence first evar security guy for that shop lol 1050783;1426198947;mircea_popescu;plenty of people do just fine in positions of authority. 1050784;1426198992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00033633 = 2.7579 BTC [-] 1050785;1426199018;Adlai;cazalla: most tlv venues ranging from cafes to clubs, movie theaters to supermarkets - have 'somebody' at the door, generally with a pulse or an expression (rarely more than one), and this the 1050786;1426199028;Adlai;* theater is accepted as 'security' 1050787;1426199043;cazalla;i don't recall ever feeling it was a position of authority, more reminded of the fact i was nervous but at same time excited to get pocket money 1050788;1426199073;Adlai;sure, the bit about authority was more >> 'wtf ever heard of such nonsense.' 1050789;1426199204;trinque;heh, I was buying bulk tp at walmart recently and the door troll stopped me and tried to block my exit 1050790;1426199221;trinque;"I did not steal toilet paper, you idiot." -> walked around her and out 1050791;1426199235;trinque;she seemed shocked that this could be possible 1050792;1426199250;nubbins`;she seemed shocked to learn that she doesn't have the authority to stop you? o.O 1050793;1426199261;Adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1vKDM7wfiA 1050794;1426199263;assbot;Respect my authoritah! (Compilation) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5dHT9 ) 1050795;1426199270;trinque;nubbins`: people are so goddamn polite around here, practically canadian 1050796;1426199280;nubbins`;canadians are rude 1050797;1426199281;Adlai;oh canada 1050798;1426199281;cazalla;trinque, ya know, i didn't buy toilet paper for many years (use to take 1 or 2 rolls home from work each day) 1050799;1426199307;trinque;cazalla: heh! I had a gf that would jack my tp from her work when I was 19; that's called having connections 1050800;1426199319;nubbins`;it sure is 1050801;1426199335;Adlai;;;ud g i butt wipe 1050802;1426199335;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=G.I.%20butt%20wipe | G.I. butt wipe. During World wars I and II,American foot soldiers were only issued about 10 individual squares of toilet paper to keep backpack weight and ... 1050803;1426199343;cazalla;the cost of wiping your ass adds up 1050804;1426199369;mircea_popescu;get a dog, will lick you clean for free. 1050805;1426199387;trinque;lol 1050806;1426199394;Adlai;that is wrong on so many levels, except the dog's 1050807;1426199420;trinque;I've seen a dog devour cow turd after cow turd; a mere human ass is nothing 1050808;1426199447;mircea_popescu;lol 1050809;1426199453;cazalla;ya, that's why i don't understand how people can have their dogs or other animals inside the house 1050810;1426199468;mircea_popescu;cazalla i knew a chick that actually loved her dog. 1050811;1426199490;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i loved my dog too but she was a dog 1050812;1426199496;mircea_popescu;aussies. 1050813;1426199510;Adlai;!b 3 1050814;1426199510;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3G2Q3WE.txt ) 1050815;1426199566;cazalla;said dog http://i.imgur.com/nqNNNvP.png made it to 16 years too, quite good for a staffy 1050816;1426199568;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5eXFP ) 1050817;1426199588;mircea_popescu;eee 1050818;1426199592;*;Adlai always imagined that an uncomfortable posture 1050819;1426199602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67900 @ 0.00034518 = 23.4377 BTC [+] {3} 1050820;1426199605;mircea_popescu;you know that dog is practically saying "aussies..." 1050821;1426199611;Adlai;twist your torso, now put all your upper body weight right on the twist! 1050822;1426199724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 130 @ 0.01099999 = 1.43 BTC [-] {2} 1050823;1426199780;cazalla;mircea_popescu, despite not allowing her in the house, i am quite sensitive about my Lucy, so please don't be saying she had such a look :( 1050824;1426199789;mircea_popescu;aw sorry! 1050825;1426199800;mircea_popescu;just teasing you a little. 1050826;1426199835;jurov;mod6 sorry, dns problem, fixed 1050827;1426199860;mircea_popescu;wow! it actually happened that ppl complained about jurov's email thing and it actually was the case it was broken 1050828;1426199866;mircea_popescu;i been waitin' for this... 1050829;1426199882;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050798 <<< such life haxxor 1050830;1426199882;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 22:28:01; cazalla: trinque, ya know, i didn't buy toilet paper for many years (use to take 1 or 2 rolls home from work each day) 1050831;1426199899;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050804 <<< in romania, dog cleans you 1050832;1426199899;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 22:29:29; mircea_popescu: get a dog, will lick you clean for free. 1050833;1426199917;trinque;davout: next tier up is only shitting at work 1050834;1426199921;trinque;at least on weekdays 1050835;1426199936;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in france... http://41.media.tumblr.com/655c83b5213fb218ae4a102611225095/tumblr_n30s9xDvX81s8rc6go1_1280.jpg 1050836;1426199937;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5gpIl ) 1050837;1426199942;cazalla;trinque, not of the class who waits until arriving home to do such things? 1050838;1426199966;trinque;I self employ now, but the joke always was among friends to shit on the company dime 1050839;1426199982;davout;mircea_popescu: notbad.jpg 1050840;1426199983;trinque;so I guess I'm always shitting on the company dime these days 1050841;1426200009;mircea_popescu;i fucking managed to find salt pickles. 1050842;1426200020;mircea_popescu;such relish 1050843;1426200060;Adlai;boss makes a dollar while i make a dime // that's why i shit on company time 1050844;1426200077;trinque;!b 1 1050845;1426200078;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2G2RHM9.txt ) 1050846;1426200082;trinque;that's the one 1050847;1426200103;Adlai;bathroom poetry 1050848;1426200139;Adlai;vandals carrying spraypaint, sure. but it always seemed a different breed of vandal to wander around with a sharpie 1050849;1426200152;cazalla;easier to pretend to go on break with others who actually are on break (dependent on type of job of course) 1050850;1426200271;davout;Adlai: so it should really be "boss makes a dollar while I make a dime, and a turd" 1050851;1426200291;mircea_popescu;the turdime! 1050852;1426200358;Adlai;better yet, run one of those bitcoin shit-ship-shops... just don't let corporate know you're doing materials r&d for the startup on the company clock 1050853;1426200477;mircea_popescu;how do you think the extant ones are made ? 1050854;1426200511;cazalla;quote from a coindesk article.. who is missing from the list of 5 twitter accounts? http://dpaste.com/0NSJG4T.txt 1050855;1426200512;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5iROV ) 1050856;1426200519;davout;http://imgur.com/J5U3l1j <<< god knows what these little girls will sell for bitcoin once they turn 16 1050857;1426200520;assbot; Little girls wearing google glasses selling cookies for bitcoin. This is Silicon Valley. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5iV1a ) 1050858;1426200531;*;Adlai thinks of this every day, 3-4 times, while tesla wags his tail like he's cured parkworm 1050859;1426200614;mircea_popescu;cazalla lmao nitwits. 1050860;1426200645;mircea_popescu;cazalla and do they link to qntra or ? 1050861;1426200656;cazalla;what do you think? 1050862;1426200677;mircea_popescu;i think it sounds like a first best ever news site 1050863;1426200794;cazalla;it's not that i mind that they mentioned other people part of a possible syndicate with silvey (which i didn't include in article as no proof of this anyway) but least they could do is admit that yeah, we followed it back from the avatar after having read about it on qntra 1050864;1426200823;Adlai;they're just recycling http://blog.cryptocrumb.com/2015/03/fbi-silk-road-auction-of-march-2015.html although ferrin doesn't mention Steve Youngblood 1050865;1426200824;assbot;Crypto Crumbs: FBI Silk Road Auction of March 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5k8pd ) 1050866;1426200876;Adlai;but everybody knows steve youngblood right guise? 1050867;1426202093;jurov;;;ticker 1050868;1426202094;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.51, Best ask: 295.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 295.7, 24 hour volume: 27046.72490813, 24 hour low: 291.04, 24 hour high: 298.8, 24 hour vwap: None 1050869;1426202286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00033633 = 21.5251 BTC [-] 1050870;1426202346;jurov;;;ticker --currency EUR --market all 1050871;1426202362;gribble;Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 278.22547, vol: 8229.45591540 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 279.3, vol: 122.00342 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 276.313023, vol: 138319.96870000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 278.0, vol: 84.6419943 | Volume-weighted last average: 276.423721036 1050872;1426202420;jurov;;;calc 290/278 1050873;1426202420;gribble;1.04316546763 1050874;1426203022;chetty;insomnia treatment: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf 1050875;1426203027;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cb8Dh0 ) 1050876;1426203384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9966 @ 0.00033633 = 3.3519 BTC [-] 1050877;1426203506;davout;chetty: looked at the page count, felt sleepy 1050878;1426203536;jurov;i scrolled into the middle, saw fotnote number 1216 O.o 1050879;1426203543;jurov;*footnote 1050880;1426203567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198450 @ 0.0003323 = 65.9449 BTC [-] {6} 1050881;1426204449;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050355 see classic essay ont he subject: https://www.peereboom.us/assl/assl/html/openssl.html 1050882;1426204449;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 19:29:16; mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate. 1050883;1426204564;jurov;in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys 1050884;1426204917;danielpbarron;only to barely glance what was inside once open? << i confidently walked through security at the new york marathon (post boston bombing) without having my backpack checked; had a stainless steel 64 oz bottle inside 1050885;1426204968;*;jurov at first read stainless steel 64 oz blade inside 1050886;1426205017;danielpbarron;everyone else queued up with their bag in hand, arms outstretched 1050887;1426205049;danielpbarron;i walked right up to the guy with the wand, he waved it around and let me through 1050888;1426205092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00033617 = 4.7064 BTC [+] 1050889;1426205275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47362 @ 0.00032865 = 15.5655 BTC [-] 1050890;1426205288;danielpbarron;!up Transisto 1050891;1426205300;danielpbarron;!up ohhahh 1050892;1426205556;jurov;also, while code may be encased in acrylate, it's easy victim for future C compilers hyperoptimizations 1050893;1426205813;mircea_popescu; in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys << quite. 1050894;1426205831;mircea_popescu;!up cuwirebeard 1050895;1426205946;mircea_popescu;;;google "Satoshi Dice couldn't merge tx's anyway because bitcoind is written by monkeys" 1050896;1426205947;gribble;Inputs.io hacked – 4100 BTC stolen | Hacker News: ; How would you make an extra ,000 in a month? :: Kopywriting Kourse: ; Is Louisiana's Oil-Blocking Sand Berm Project Doomed? - 80beats ...: ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this 1050907;1426206661;mircea_popescu;"After messing around with this code for about a month I decided to write this up for the tubes in the hope that I can save some souls. I have come to the conclusion that OpenSSL is equivalent to monkeys throwing feces at the wall. It is, bar none, the worst library I have ever worked with. I can not believe that the internet is running on such a ridiculous complex and gratuitously stupid piece of code. Since circa 199 1050908;1426206661;mircea_popescu;8 the whole world has been trusting their secure communications to this impenetrable morass that calls itself the "OpenSSL" project. I bet that the doctors that work on that shitshow can not prescribe anything useful either!" 1050909;1426206667;mircea_popescu;maybe this guy should be in here. 1050910;1426206670;decimation;http://www.mail-archive.com/openssl-dev@openssl.org/msg05003.html < "Support for hardware acceleration is on its way that will use DSOs, this is so that the library and applications can have acceleration support but still run on platforms that don't have the acceleration drivers. Eg. you could even build applications that *can* support hardware acceleration using platforms without the hardware/drivers." 1050911;1426206671;assbot;Re: Why is dso a part of openssl? ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAJits ) 1050912;1426206697;decimation;so what he's saying is that they put the libdl stuff in there so that you could load a binary driver for custom hardware 1050913;1426206704;mircea_popescu;lol, conformal guy. kay. 1050914;1426206704;decimation;without recompiling the openssl library 1050915;1426206753;trinque;that module loading thing is like they almost knew the thing should be broken into small pieces, but not quite 1050916;1426206792;decimation;what it comes down to is that distribution 'vendors' wanna ship you binaries 1050917;1426206795;cazalla;ben_vulpes, ah you mentioned him in the logs so i thought otherwise 1050918;1426206810;trinque;decimation: here attach this mystery device to your bloodstream 1050919;1426206813;trinque;you'll be fine 1050920;1426206816;decimation;hehe 1050921;1426206824;ben_vulpes;cazalla: i hm what when? 1050922;1426206830;ben_vulpes;!s transisto from ben_vulpes 1050923;1426206831;assbot;0 results for 'transisto from ben_vulpes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=transisto+from+ben_vulpes 1050924;1426206850;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#698249 1050925;1426206850;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2014 01:23:02; benkay: !up Transisto 1050926;1426207005;mircea_popescu;#ifndef OPENSSL_NO_STDIO 1050927;1426207006;mircea_popescu; * Load CA certs from a file into a ::STACK. Note that it is somewhat misnamed; 1050928;1426207006;mircea_popescu; * it doesn't really have anything to do with clients (except that a common use 1050929;1426207006;mircea_popescu; * for a stack of CAs is to send it to the client). Actually, it doesn't have 1050930;1426207006;mircea_popescu; * much to do with CAs, either, since it will load any old cert. 1050931;1426207010;mircea_popescu; * \param file the file containing one or more certs. 1050932;1426207012;mircea_popescu; * \return a ::STACK containing the certs. 1050933;1426207014;mircea_popescu; */ 1050934;1426207016;mircea_popescu;STACK_OF(X509_NAME) *SSL_load_client_CA_file(const char *file) 1050935;1426207020;mircea_popescu;ahaha epic. no fucking wonder bitcoin-proto works on open-ssl 1050936;1426207063;decimation;re: full auto < yeah us mil agrees, the ar-15 (m16) isn't made with full auto anymore, only 3-round burst. even this is almost never used. There is a place for full auto, and it is on a machine gun that is heavy enough to fire at full auto without completely losing accuracy 1050937;1426207078;decimation;mircea_popescu: openssl has weird re-implementations of all kinds of crazy shit 1050938;1426207088;mircea_popescu;decimation that, exactly. emplaced, basically. 1050939;1426207113;decimation;yeah, crew served or mounted on a vehicle 1050940;1426207271;cazalla;ben_vulpes, nothing untoward, his name just popped up in a trailer for a video and i searched logs here but few hits 1050941;1426207414;ben_vulpes;ahmkay. 1050942;1426208064;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/29d64bd0a3aa3757ca989ff98bf618ca/tumblr_mowkmf8aaE1r0qabqo1_1280.jpg 1050943;1426208065;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1x0iyUI ) 1050944;1426208079;decimation;re: asciilifeform on a boat < wash dc is famous for having a 'marina' on the potomac where one can live for the price of a boat and a few $k per year 1050945;1426208121;decimation;re: italians < especially southern italians. northern ones tend to be a bit more germanic 1050946;1426208220;decimation;asciilifeform: wow they even placed your shield? neat 1050947;1426208220;mircea_popescu;yeah, the southerners are too disorganised to even be corrupt properly 1050948;1426208228;mircea_popescu;need a berlusconi or something to show them how it'd sone 1050949;1426208254;decimation;of course, note that nearly all 'italian americans' come from southern italy 1050950;1426208459;BingoBoingo;Midwest "Italian Americans" are the worst 1050951;1426209734;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1050906 < having the evaluator|compiler available at compil|evaluation time vs asking it to (eval (read (http-request "wack"))) 1050952;1426209734;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 00:30:52; ben_vulpes: ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this 1050953;1426209850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00032594 = 5.2476 BTC [-] 1050954;1426210025;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1050955;1426210521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00033617 = 11.1104 BTC [+] 1050956;1426211207;asciilifeform;decimation: wow they even placed your shield? neat << it's a part, like the others, with footprint & centroid coordinates, etc. i'd be rather pissed if it were missing 1050957;1426211403;mircea_popescu;what, "we did most of the job" not good enough for ya ?! 1050958;1426211417;mircea_popescu;in this day and age things aren't as they used to be, yo! 1050959;1426211924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00032473 = 6.6083 BTC [-] {2} 1050960;1426212402;asciilifeform;"we did most of the job" << these folks even offer a 'test' service but i can't really make use of it for these parts 1050961;1426212427;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what airport is best? or does it matter? 1050962;1426212474;asciilifeform;( for folks who missed wtf thread was about - http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg ) 1050963;1426212482;mircea_popescu;generally everyone flies through ezeiza, but it doesn't matter. 1050964;1426212525;decimation;asciilifeform: how did you get prices for your bom? 1050965;1426212533;decimation;their 'house parts' list is small 1050966;1426212547;asciilifeform;decimation: most of the parts aren't house 1050967;1426212555;asciilifeform;they charge extra for the kitting 1050968;1426212558;decimation;do they take ie digikey? 1050969;1426212566;asciilifeform;takes most anything 1050970;1426212576;asciilifeform;but adds days (they wait for order to come) 1050971;1426212584;decimation;ah. so they order on your behalf? 1050972;1426212586;asciilifeform;aha 1050973;1426212595;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 sorry, dns problem, fixed << ahh, awesome. not a problem. Thanks! 1050974;1426212599;asciilifeform;they outsource the boards too - took most of the time, it appears 1050975;1426212606;asciilifeform;guessing it's somewhere slow - therefore american 1050976;1426212611;decimation;cool. well, I'm glad it worked out for you. I suspect that this is probably being subsidized by bezzlars 1050977;1426212627;asciilifeform;actually i've yet to plug them in... 1050978;1426212636;asciilifeform;so won't say for certain that 'worked out' yet. 1050979;1426212639;decimation;hehe true 1050980;1426212654;decimation;actually now is the time to find prototyping services in europe or ru 1050981;1426212662;decimation;with the strong dollar 1050982;1426212681;asciilifeform;it is very easy to find manufacturing service. but mostly impossible to find one that does onesies economically 1050983;1426212765;decimation;I wonder if they have heavy automation or cheap labor? 1050984;1426212798;asciilifeform;claims the former 1050985;1426212807;decimation;I'm dubious 1050986;1426212814;decimation;someone has to load your custom parts 1050987;1426212951;asciilifeform;decimation: there's exactly 1 through-hole part 1050988;1426212953;asciilifeform;3 pads 1050989;1426212961;asciilifeform;everything else is pick'n'place-able 1050990;1426212971;PeterL;asciilifeform:the concept is meant to address an earlier thread - 'pashtun can make ak but rounds are still from izhevsk' << how about caseless rounds? 1050991;1426212985;decimation;right, but how could it possibly be economical to load two parts into a pick n' place 1050992;1426212997;decimation;might as well use your 'waldo' 1050993;1426213205;asciilifeform;PeterL: dimensional tolerances 1050994;1426213214;asciilifeform;PeterL: even worse problem 1050995;1426213219;mircea_popescu;btw re computers and looms thread a coupla months back, i somehow forgot to mention the jacquard loom specifically. 1050996;1426213225;mircea_popescu;the damned thing had cards. in 1801 1050997;1426213257;decimation;asciilifeform: somewhat before babbage 1050998;1426213291;asciilifeform;unit 1 is a dud 1050999;1426213299;decimation;shucks 1051000;1426213306;mod6;jurov: still doesn't seem to be working. 1051001;1426213390;asciilifeform;unit 2 is a dud. 1051002;1426213392;asciilifeform;motherfuckers. 1051003;1426213409;mircea_popescu;aww. 1051004;1426213411;decimation;sucks. is it a board issue? 1051005;1426213414;mod6;asciilifeform: this is the device you ordered? 1051006;1426213430;asciilifeform;i haven't the faintest clue 1051007;1426213442;asciilifeform;it's an analogue circuit, will presumably find out 1051008;1426213467;thestringpuller;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/03/12/bitbeat-bitcoin-coder-garzik-signs-deal-to-deploy-bitsats-in-space/ 1051009;1426213571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00032688 = 9.7901 BTC [+] 1051010;1426213596;mircea_popescu;this should be interesting. 1051011;1426213642;mircea_popescu;$1 million for one BitSat, 1051012;1426213647;mircea_popescu;this does not sound rightsomehow 1051013;1426213684;decimation;everyone and his mom in sillycon valley wants to loft a satellite constellation 1051014;1426213700;decimation;what are they gonna use for the uplink/downlink frequencies? access equipment? 1051015;1426213734;mircea_popescu;simpler problem : leaving aside the "Ever and ever" bs, even if you plan for 10 years you need tbs of hdd and gbs of ram. in space. 1051016;1426213736;mircea_popescu;which means, shielded. 1051017;1426213759;mircea_popescu;you're already talking half a ton of gear here. i didn't hear of aerospace material going for $200 / kg yet. 1051018;1426213764;mircea_popescu;less than good tuna ? srsly ? 1051019;1426213764;decimation;the attitude in the sillycon valley space complex these days is that you can just launch some more sats 1051020;1426213787;Adlai;nah the blockchain will be in storj 1051021;1426213793;mircea_popescu;lmao 1051022;1426213802;decimation;also, it's not quite as big an issue since they are below the van allen belts 1051023;1426213805;mircea_popescu;so wild pr piece, rly. 1051024;1426213814;decimation;but it also means that the sats won't stay up very long 1051025;1426213827;mircea_popescu;well which is ? ever and ever or $1mn / year ? 1051026;1426213840;asciilifeform;moreover, 1051027;1426213841;decimation;yeah $1 mn sounds too cheap 1051028;1426213846;asciilifeform;not a single one of the rng submodules works. 1051029;1426213851;mircea_popescu;i'm half tempted to do a "basics of satellites" like the hollywood and the corn one. however... 1051030;1426213865;mircea_popescu;i suspect there are more experienced aerospace minds here. how about you do it instead ? 1051031;1426213881;asciilifeform;!s reducing space mission cost 1051032;1426213882;assbot;2 results for 'reducing space mission cost' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=reducing+space+mission+cost 1051033;1426213883;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shoulda ordered icecream :D 1051034;1426213894;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha i'll bring ice cream to confIII 1051035;1426213896;asciilifeform;l0l 1051036;1426213907;mircea_popescu;btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described. 1051037;1426213926;mircea_popescu;it stands with the finest italian handmade gelateria in the same relation as this later beast stands with budweiser 1051038;1426213955;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#831933 1051039;1426213955;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2014 02:27:20; decimation: herr walker believes this could be scaled: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/rocketaday.html << the nazis paid $13k 1945 dollars per V2 1051040;1426213956;*;asciilifeform is floored by the sheer retardation. gave those idiots the simplest circuit in the world, as test 1051041;1426213988;decimation;asciilifeform: they aren't gonna last very long if they can't deliver working circuits 1051042;1426214001;asciilifeform;took'em almost a month, too 1051043;1426214102;*;asciilifeform is not inclined to believe that it was accidental 1051044;1426214116;wangxinxi;Have you guys heard of hedgy.co? 1051045;1426214163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ? 1051046;1426214381;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: both modules in both rng boards 100% dead 1051047;1426214387;asciilifeform;without any visual signs of defect 1051048;1426214402;asciilifeform;no visibly misaligned parts, no shorts 1051049;1426214403;mircea_popescu;incompetence is the parsimonious explanation 1051050;1426214411;decimation;asciilifeform: did you order these with all parts populated? 1051051;1426214415;asciilifeform;decimation: yes 1051052;1426214427;asciilifeform;decimation: these are ordinary rngs, as seen at conference II 1051053;1426214431;asciilifeform;100% analogue 1051054;1426214439;decimation;can't imagine it's that complex 1051055;1426214441;asciilifeform;it isn't 1051056;1426214453;decimation;sounds like a bad board to me 1051057;1426214458;asciilifeform;two bad boards 1051058;1426214464;asciilifeform;in entirely invisible way 1051059;1426214473;decimation;which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec 1051060;1426214482;asciilifeform;again, not in any way detectable to naked eye 1051061;1426214491;asciilifeform;about to manually probe the components under microscope 1051062;1426214503;asciilifeform;but conclusive test would involve desoldering them 1051063;1426214528;BingoBoingo;Maybe the wrong shade of blue for the PCB is problematic? 1051064;1426214533;decimation;heh 1051065;1426214546;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no 1051066;1426214571;*;asciilifeform was gonna order mainboard from these folks, to have in time for C III 1051067;1426214577;asciilifeform;now going empty. 1051068;1426214639;BingoBoingo;How do these fuckers expect to do a business off of 1-off boards when a two board order offers two dead boards 1051069;1426214646;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'll tell you how 1051070;1426214653;asciilifeform;notice a sucker just paid'em 75 usd. 1051071;1426214656;asciilifeform;me, that is 1051072;1426214659;asciilifeform;because no alternative. 1051073;1426214667;asciilifeform;it's exactly like the apple thread 1051074;1426214680;decimation;presumably they will make you two more if it's their fault 1051075;1426214739;asciilifeform;in another month 1051076;1426214746;asciilifeform;and how the fuck do i prove whose fault 1051077;1426214753;asciilifeform;and the game can be kept going as long as they like 1051078;1426214816;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: can't you make them an offer they can't refuse? 1051079;1426214942;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if i could offer anyone anything, would not be having muppet problems 1051080;1426214949;ben_vulpes; btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described. << so i expect: helado primo, vino tinto, y carne gargantua. 1051081;1426214962;asciilifeform;so on first glance, their 470k resistors (0805 size) are actually 200k 1051082;1426214967;asciilifeform;though they have the correct printing 1051083;1426214982;asciilifeform;and that's just one piece. 1051084;1426214996;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i meant. you know "come to an understanding" if fuck ups occur? 1051085;1426215004;thestringpuller;you're russian! 1051086;1426215018;BingoBoingo;Prolly time to get some Chinese sweatshop workers into your shed with that H1B visa deal 1051087;1426215120;thestringpuller;lol those poor chinese workers. dunno if asciilifeform is as benevolent of slave driver as mircea_popescu 1051088;1426215386;asciilifeform;470 and 200 1051089;1426215389;asciilifeform;(not k) 1051090;1426215414;asciilifeform;incidentally, 'house parts' 1051091;1426215568;danielpbarron;!up NewLiberty 1051092;1426215583;decimation;lol they put 200 on the 470k pads? 1051093;1426215593;asciilifeform;no 1051094;1426215608;asciilifeform;their 470 (not k) resistors are marked correctly (470) but have resistance of 200. 1051095;1426215614;asciilifeform;and that is -only one- problem 1051096;1426215622;asciilifeform;i have not even bothered to look at the rest of it 1051097;1426215629;asciilifeform;this was not part of the deal 1051098;1426215662;ben_vulpes;they're more efficient 1051099;1426215673;ben_vulpes;you didn't need to burn that current anyways 1051100;1426215687;ben_vulpes;it's like i tell the boys 1051101;1426215712;ben_vulpes;"look, we're ording from a taco shop. the tacos cost a dollar fifty a pop. they're not going to be pleased with crazy custom orders, so cut it out. 1051102;1426215713;ben_vulpes;" 1051103;1426215735;ben_vulpes;extra cilantro get out of here 1051104;1426215751;decimation;ben_vulpes: yeah except in this case, the taco stand bills itself as a custom taco stand 1051105;1426215772;ben_vulpes;sure 1051106;1426215784;ben_vulpes;and their tacos are clocking in at .75 per, to extend the metaphor. 1051107;1426215789;ben_vulpes;outrageous claims are outrageous. 1051108;1426215810;asciilifeform;it isn't even about the money as such 1051109;1426215833;asciilifeform;i would have gladly paid 4x more if guaranteed working. 1051110;1426215839;asciilifeform;as in - hard guarantee 1051111;1426215846;asciilifeform;as in, i get a head on a stake if doesn't work 1051112;1426215854;ben_vulpes;glhf. not happening. 1051113;1426215858;danielpbarron;i guess there's an obvious reason as to why they can't do whatever tests you are doing before they ship the things 1051114;1426215858;asciilifeform;that's the idea here 1051115;1426215864;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: http://www.quickmeme.com/img/32/32b4229145de0a2c1171b9b5757f25dfaa1bbf7b9be0b687be4dd5aec76a34d6.jpg 1051116;1426215866;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: obvious idea is obvious 1051117;1426215875;danielpbarron;it's intentional :< 1051118;1426215879;decimation;testing boards is a whole other layer of complexity 1051119;1426215893;ben_vulpes;shouldn't be, really. 1051120;1426215895;decimation;could be done, but not over mass production of one-offs 1051121;1426215898;asciilifeform;however, no one cancelled physics 1051122;1426215905;ben_vulpes;no, it should be easy, decimation. 1051123;1426215908;asciilifeform;testing that board corresponds to given gerber mask is trivial 1051124;1426215916;asciilifeform;testing that parts have their marked values - also trivial 1051125;1426215923;asciilifeform;testing that they are actually attached - harder, but also doable 1051126;1426215924;decimation;yeah good point 1051127;1426215928;asciilifeform;they do not need to know what it does! 1051128;1426215944;decimation;I'm surprised the pick n place doesn't auto test passives actually 1051129;1426215958;asciilifeform;decimation: rubber suction cup, typically 1051130;1426215972;ben_vulpes;the tooling investment to make this feasible for every board sent through a given shop is non trivial though, ibid for customer education. 1051131;1426215978;asciilifeform;decimation: interestingly, in the old days, they were brass, and shaped in such a way that -did- test 1051132;1426215988;asciilifeform;some of the german machines from the '80s, when computer sucked, did this 1051133;1426215995;asciilifeform;i even had opportunity to buy one 1051134;1426215998;asciilifeform;for a few $k 1051135;1426216001;asciilifeform;but no place to put it 1051136;1426216004;asciilifeform;so passed it up 1051137;1426216021;asciilifeform;fella even reserve-engineered the controle console, wrote own proggy, would have thrown in the source 1051138;1426216047;asciilifeform;but i had no climate-controlled space where it could fit. 1051139;1426216050;decimation;yeah, failing to insert proper part in the tube is electronics manufacturing 101 error 1051140;1426216058;asciilifeform;decimation: again, that was NOT what happened 1051141;1426216062;asciilifeform;the fucker is marked 470. 1051142;1426216064;asciilifeform;marked. 1051143;1426216066;ben_vulpes;during my days in the wafer biz the shop for whom i slaved had a high-res testing machine that could test arbitrary board designs 1051144;1426216066;decimation;heh 1051145;1426216076;decimation;so you suspect that they bought shitass chinese parts? 1051146;1426216082;asciilifeform;i have no idea where they got them 1051147;1426216094;asciilifeform;and for all i know the rest of the board also has no correspondence whatsoever to marked values 1051148;1426216097;ben_vulpes;the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf 1051149;1426216100;decimation;ben_vulpes: sure, for arbitrary $$$ can be done 1051150;1426216102;cazalla;poor shrem, 2 years ago paraded around as the bitcoin millionaire kid, but today relegated to begging for $10 so as not to eat the prison food http://charlieshrem.com/so-im-going-to-prison/ 1051151;1426216103;assbot;So, I’m going to prison. Reflections from Bitcoins’ first felon | Charlie Shrem ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9S3sT ) 1051152;1426216188;cazalla;"I will need the support of everyone while inside, and I would appreciate it so much. Even $10 would go along way. There are a few days to send me money." 1051153;1426216245;decimation;asciilifeform should send him some smoked sprat 1051154;1426216258;asciilifeform;idiot does not deserve one sprat 1051155;1426216262;decimation;heh 1051156;1426216281;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there is a reason why i am building own conveyor 1051157;1426216289;asciilifeform;but it isn't happening in time for c3 1051158;1426216300;asciilifeform;and the motherfuckers knew that, of course. 1051159;1426216308;decimation;noisy chump falls into the noisy usg chumpatron, news at 11 1051160;1426216316;ben_vulpes;news at 11 1051161;1426216345;ben_vulpes;hey noisy chump what travel bezzle are you using to procure tickets to con3? 1051162;1426216348;*;asciilifeform also chumped, out of 75 bux. did not really expect the thing to work 1051163;1426216357;*;asciilifeform grinds in gears 1051164;1426216361;decimation;asciilifeform: it appears you can RMA the thing 1051165;1426216367;decimation;might as well turn the chumpatron wheel 1051166;1426216374;asciilifeform;decimation: aha lol sure. these are going in my butterfly collection. 1051167;1426216381;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lessee 1051168;1426216422;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'copa airlines' 1051169;1426216435;ben_vulpes;purchased direct? 1051170;1426216436;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: and 'aerolineas argentinas' 1051171;1426216438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51108 @ 0.00033045 = 16.8886 BTC [+] {3} 1051172;1426216452;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nah through 'orbitz' 1051173;1426216459;decimation;re: argentinean aviation: http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/celebrities/article13640420.html 1051174;1426216461;assbot;Crew was filming when helicopters crashed in Argentina | Miami Herald Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9SnYQ ) 1051175;1426216543;ben_vulpes;so i just received my new passport 1051176;1426216566;ben_vulpes;i'll admit to shitting more than a single brix over its issuance, given my presence here and name change froofraw. 1051177;1426216580;decimation;ben_vulpes, asciilifeform: http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/iasa/ < usg says that ar civil aviation bureaucracy is rated "1" 1051178;1426216583;assbot;International Aviation Safety Assessment (IASA) Program ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9SvaB ) 1051179;1426216584;ben_vulpes;fuckers declined to send me back my court papers and expired passport. 1051180;1426216603;decimation;ben_vulpes: I think you can pay to expedite 1051181;1426216624;ben_vulpes;despite! claims all over forms that supporting docs will be returned with issued passport. 1051182;1426216627;ben_vulpes;decimation: i'm aware. 1051183;1426216640;ben_vulpes;that part was unnecessary, and risks putting one in the 'extra scrutiny' bin as i see it. 1051184;1426216643;ben_vulpes;anyways 1051185;1426216645;ben_vulpes;i have the *passport* 1051186;1426216648;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051059 << likeliest explanation 1051187;1426216648;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 02:41:13; decimation: which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec 1051188;1426216651;ben_vulpes;but my *other* documents. 1051189;1426216662;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: no you see, the lizard shitgnomes got to it 1051190;1426216672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: again, there is no detectable trace of a mistake in their procedure or in the physical board 1051191;1426216686;decimation;ben_vulpes: did your passport come with 'rfid condom'? 1051192;1426216698;thestringpuller;LOLOL 1051193;1426216698;ben_vulpes;lol no plain book 1051194;1426216701;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is at least one part where all four instances differ by a factor of ~2 from the marked value. 1051195;1426216710;asciilifeform;MARKED value 1051196;1426216713;decimation;ben_vulpes: the state dept faq claims they issue one with each 1051197;1426216714;thestringpuller;decimation: i thought all passports had RFID chips in them 1051198;1426216717;asciilifeform;on the thing itself 1051199;1426216720;ben_vulpes;decimation: by 'condom' i assume you mean faraday cage? 1051200;1426216724;decimation;yes 1051201;1426216727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well... the cutout of the two boards sounds like a great blogpost. 1051202;1426216733;mircea_popescu;write the whole story, send them a link. 1051203;1426216742;decimation;'metallized' paper bag 1051204;1426216747;ben_vulpes;decimation: lol no. 1051205;1426216753;ben_vulpes;std us mail envelope 1051206;1426216765;mircea_popescu;decimation what's an ungrounded faraday cage supposed to do again ? 1051207;1426216774;mircea_popescu;or do these new passprots come with a rail contact ? 1051208;1426216775;decimation;like so http://www.idstronghold.com/ 1051209;1426216776;assbot;RFID Wallet | Identity Stronghold | Credit Card Sleeve ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9SDqG ) 1051210;1426216779;ben_vulpes;ssn and passport number no doubt lifted en route 1051211;1426216787;decimation;it's not a true faraday cage, but it will attenuate 1051212;1426216810;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what l33t deelz did you find? the best i'm offered is ~1.3k rt 1051213;1426216856;thestringpuller;someone finds a 900 rt from US that'd be dope 1051214;1426216865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00034124 = 19.3824 BTC [+] {2} 1051215;1426216866;thestringpuller;as long as I don't have to sit between two fat people 1051216;1426216900;ben_vulpes;do any of you know anything about relational schema design? i'm derping on a thing and would like to run an early early early schema draft by someone who actually understands relational dbs. 1051217;1426216910;ben_vulpes;trinque's already helped with it, but i'm looking for more eyes 1051218;1426216915;decimation;actually I think the new 'chip n pin' implementation for credit cards in the us is rf-id based 1051219;1426216920;decimation;so you gotta buy a stack of these 1051220;1426216974;ben_vulpes;(project is relational modeling of blockchain, for the curious) 1051221;1426217001;ben_vulpes;(it'll be done in two weeks, i swear) 1051222;1426217030;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ibidem actually means "in the same place". if you mean idem (ie, the same) say idem! 1051223;1426217056;ben_vulpes;! 1051224;1426217071;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2015#991265 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2015#991268 1051225;1426217071;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2015 06:52:34; asciilifeform: chain of pointers << tree. 1051226;1426217071;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2015 06:53:07; asciilifeform: (satoshi did not go in for book-learning, it seems, esp. re: data structures, but that doesn't mean that we have to forget school) 1051227;1426217142;ben_vulpes;right. 1051228;1426217156;ben_vulpes;i want it in a database, though. 1051229;1426217194;ben_vulpes;the storage on disk is a thing of import, no doubt. 1051230;1426217208;ben_vulpes;but a *queryable* blockchain is something else entirely. 1051231;1426217211;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i wonder if one could make a filesystem specifically for blockchain storage. 1051232;1426217213;decimation;yeah I don't have enough database design experience to comment on that 1051233;1426217225;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely no doubt this will be the largest usecase for harddrives going forward 1051234;1426217249;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i grow more and more tempted every day to use postgres as a filesystem. 1051235;1426217250;mircea_popescu;and as they become obsolete in the future, ppl not wanting to upgrade their bitcoin archives will provide hdds with one of those ada or lisp-esque eternal lives. 1051236;1426217276;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: filesystem specifically for blockchain storage << i spoke of this, right here in #b-a 1051237;1426217282;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes im not informed enough to guess, but maybe a "best of both words" hybrid could thrive. 1051238;1426217292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.0003485 = 10.4899 BTC [+] {2} 1051239;1426217293;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform either i missed it or forgot it! 1051240;1426217297;ben_vulpes;lol no i 1051241;1426217297;asciilifeform;'That is very strange indeed. All of the house parts we currently carry are supplied by Digikey and Mouser, and are name-brand parts. At this moment, we only stock and only order parts from US vendors who are authorized vendors for the components we purchase. (This is why our BoM tool will often list parts as unavailable, even if they can be found at non-US or non-authorized dealers.) 1051242;1426217298;asciilifeform;I will have our reels of 470 Ohm resistors verified first thing in the morning. I'd like to send you a return label in the morning to send the boards back, so that we can review the work on the boards and verify and replace any parts which are not testing at their required values. Additionally, this step would help us to determine what has gone wrong in the assembly and why your components are not operating within specificati 1051243;1426217298;asciilifeform;on to prevent any future issues. If you are able to provide us a test procedure, we will be happy to use that to verify the boards before sending them back to you.' 1051244;1426217299;ben_vulpes;nor* i 1051245;1426217303;asciilifeform;^ macrofab inc. 1051246;1426217307;NewLiberty;ben_vulpes: "Gweedo" did quite a bit of RDBM crunching of the block chain for a project of his, he had many failures and learned much 1051247;1426217324;decimation;asciilifeform: well at least they replied promptly 1051248;1426217336;ben_vulpes;NewLiberty: who now? 1051249;1426217336;asciilifeform;'I will ship them back, but I needed working sample units -this week-. 1051250;1426217336;asciilifeform;Not a month from now. 1051251;1426217336;asciilifeform;And now I don't have them. 1051252;1426217336;asciilifeform;And was going to order another, much larger, device made at your shop, 1051253;1426217336;asciilifeform;but now find it very hard to believe that it will work to spec, before 1051254;1426217337;asciilifeform;the deadline.' -- me 1051255;1426217338;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they sound very nice you know ? i'd send them the boards an' detail. 1051256;1426217352;mircea_popescu;omg stop being so petulant eh! 1051257;1426217359;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: if you're spending 75 dollars, you didn't need them at all sheesh 1051258;1426217382;ben_vulpes;you're not siemens, you don't swing 500m in legal fees every quarter, you don't get to go over the bills with a fine toothed comb etc 1051259;1426217392;*;mircea_popescu makes mental note : if alf spends time anticipating a nice itam and then doesn't get it, alf gets very pissy! 1051260;1426217407;asciilifeform;now mostly pissed at self for falling for this nonsense 1051261;1426217414;ben_vulpes;happy to spend thousands on worthless arcana tho :P 1051262;1426217419;mircea_popescu;NewLiberty what ever happened to that guy ? still around ? 1051263;1426217421;mircea_popescu;!up NewLiberty 1051264;1426217423;ben_vulpes;!up NewLiberty 1051265;1426217429;NewLiberty;Yes, he is still around 1051266;1426217431;asciilifeform;no one can offer this particular good for the advertised price. 1051267;1426217443;NewLiberty;Not so much on BCT, more on CryptoCrypt 1051268;1426217449;asciilifeform;wondered what was the catch - turns out, this. 1051269;1426217454;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> incidentally, i wonder if one could make a filesystem specifically for blockchain storage. << i definately wanna discuss this. 1051270;1426217455;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seriously, send them the things, gotta help em. they're new. 1051271;1426217462;asciilifeform;funnily, if it were a digital device (e.g., the mainboard) it'd have probably worked 1051272;1426217466;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i will 1051273;1426217474;mircea_popescu;mod6 if you write a spec or something ima read it, for whatever good that's gonna do 1051274;1426217485;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cool. 1051275;1426217497;NewLiberty;He was doing a rdbs project with open API for folks that want cloud nodes but didn't want to run them. 1051276;1426217502;*;decimation was hoping to send them some analog designs, was waiting to see what happened to ascii after he entered the chumpatron 1051277;1426217535;NewLiberty;sort of like chain.com but open 1051278;1426217543;mod6;mircea_popescu: ok thanks! 1051279;1426217558;asciilifeform;on the flip side, all the folks who laughed at me for slowly grunting to build own p&p fab, can begin to consider stopping laughing now... 1051280;1426217598;NewLiberty;His latest project though was for a bitcoin webcam company, pretty girls and such 1051281;1426217599;decimation;I think the 'waldo' device is a great idea for building small prototypes 1051282;1426217733;NewLiberty;https://goseemybits.com/ 1051283;1426217734;assbot;GoSeeMyBits.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9TAzf ) 1051284;1426217832;NewLiberty;I was an rdb wonk but my expertise is a decade or so stale. 1051285;1426218227;mircea_popescu;that is good right ? past decade all gunk ? 1051286;1426218618;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: When you grow more shiva hands may I suggest a hobby? Photograph pine trees. Contemplate which one when converted to stake best matches each shitgnomism. 1051287;1426218728;decimation;BingoBoingo: asciilifeform need only drive a few hours south to see the perfect stake-pine, the loblolly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_taeda 1051288;1426218729;assbot;Pinus taeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9USue ) 1051289;1426218809;decimation;for mounting the convicted at the appropriate height pour encourager les autres 1051290;1426218949;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtZ6hjiJmTU 1051291;1426218951;assbot;Frank Zappa - Broken Hearts are for Assholes (Live) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9Vdgm ) 1051292;1426219049;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051148 << a whole team. 1051293;1426219049;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 03:08:17; ben_vulpes: the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf 1051294;1426219120;decimation;apparently the police shot some bum the wash dc subway http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/shooting-in-metro-system-dc-police-say/2015/03/12/8f3abf6e-c921-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html 1051295;1426219121;assbot;Metro Transit Police fatally shoot man in Potomac Avenue station’s tunnel - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9VwI6 ) 1051296;1426219213;decimation;maybe they were angry that some bum shot some cops in ferguson 1051297;1426219312;mircea_popescu;dead mouffat chick looks so very french. 1051298;1426219566;decimation;to die for reality tv... 1051299;1426219733;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/fuckkuppy.jpg 1051300;1426219737;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ddfmab ) 1051301;1426219793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20061 @ 0.0003237 = 6.4937 BTC [-] {2} 1051302;1426220018;asciilifeform;fuckkuppy.jpg << mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, whoever else cares - R6, R16 1051303;1426220040;asciilifeform;under enough magnification to show that marking is correct 1051304;1426220045;asciilifeform;also sent to vendor 1051305;1426220085;asciilifeform;left hand, right hand - one board each 1051306;1426220092;mircea_popescu;is placing usually that approximative ? 1051307;1426220109;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: placing is usually fairly exact, but they tend to float during reflow a bit 1051308;1426220113;mircea_popescu;these look artisan handcarved 1051309;1426220118;asciilifeform;so long as they don't float off the pads - no problem 1051310;1426220122;mircea_popescu;aha 1051311;1426220129;asciilifeform;mine look quite like this 1051312;1426220141;mircea_popescu;ic. 1051313;1426220142;asciilifeform;except that my R is light-blue and japanese 1051314;1426220149;asciilifeform;and theirs... from mars ? 1051315;1426220168;asciilifeform;and this is one part. 'won't eat whole egg to see how rotten' 1051316;1426220194;asciilifeform;the other Rs that can be measured without removal are correct 1051317;1426220204;asciilifeform;the Cs cannot be measured accurately in-circuit 1051318;1426220342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00035075 = 6.524 BTC [+] 1051319;1426220408;asciilifeform;'Two Secret Service agents suspected of being under the influence while striking a White House security barricade drove through an active bomb investigation and directly beside the suspicious package, according to current and former government officials familiar with the incident.' 1051320;1426220557;mircea_popescu;you gotta know how to partaaay 1051321;1426220567;asciilifeform;( http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-agents-disrupted-bomb-investigation-at-white-house/2015/03/12/0eb74590-c8c4-11e4-aa1a-86135599fb0f_story.html ) 1051322;1426220568;assbot;Secret Service agents disrupted bomb investigation at White House - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdiaEj ) 1051323;1426220952;trinque;+mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes im not informed enough to guess, but maybe a "best of both words" hybrid could thrive. << BeFS comes to mind; filesystem with relational features 1051324;1426220984;ben_vulpes;fuckuppy.jpg << asciilifeform ah i've found your problem they put the resistors on backwards on one of the boards 1051325;1426220992;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: l0l 1051326;1426221001;asciilifeform;'danger, 1,000,000 ohms!' 1051327;1426221058;trinque;I think (but am less familiar with) reiserfs has the same sort of metadata querying 1051328;1426221091;trinque;this fs/db hybrid has been talked about for a damn long time 1051329;1426221113;trinque;ben_vulpes: familiar with postgresql's large objects? 1051330;1426221114;ben_vulpes;trinque: terrorist teknologees! 1051331;1426221129;ben_vulpes;trinque: 'large objects' << no, tell me more 1051332;1426221129;trinque;heh, and wife-killer tainted tech too! 1051333;1426221152;trinque;ben_vulpes: these guys http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/largeobjects.html 1051334;1426221153;assbot;PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.4: Large Objects ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy6fyz ) 1051335;1426221193;trinque;say you want to put your big-ass mkv movies in postgres along with their metadata 1051336;1426221195;trinque;you totally can 1051337;1426221209;*;asciilifeform runs reiserfs 1051338;1426221210;trinque;and it doesn't slow down your queries, as the big shit is stored elsewhere of course and made reference to 1051339;1426221227;*;asciilifeform has no plans to stop 1051340;1426221255;ben_vulpes;this postgres as fs idea may actually have legs 1051341;1426221265;decimation;ben_vulpes: postgres will make a decent fs 1051342;1426221270;asciilifeform;ugh 1051343;1426221292;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: your objections to things suffer from the "boy who cried wolf" problem 1051344;1426221309;trinque;ben_vulpes: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/lo-interfaces.html#LO-OPEN 1051345;1426221310;assbot;PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.4: Client Interfaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy6EB2 ) 1051346;1426221318;decimation;it'll be slow and cumbersome, but would work 1051347;1426221324;trinque;pretty much like using fopen and whatnot 1051348;1426221331;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lol i didn't even say why 1051349;1426221343;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: but as it happens - it's another mega-c-turd 1051350;1426221347;asciilifeform;with eons of crud to wade through 1051351;1426221357;decimation;it's probably better than oracle my sql 1051352;1426221357;ben_vulpes;eventually boy who cries wolf is ignored, even when wolf is coming 1051353;1426221373;ben_vulpes;particularly then. 1051354;1426221374;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: feel free to ignore. 1051355;1426221380;ben_vulpes;particularly when woods are full of wolves. 1051356;1426221387;decimation;ben_vulpes: the new hotness these days is some kind of nosql running on a cluster 1051357;1426221393;trinque;decimation: fuck that shit 1051358;1426221403;trinque;nosql is the same hipsterism that gets us nodejs 1051359;1426221409;ben_vulpes;i'll have no truck with unstructured languages that don't support querying 1051360;1426221425;decimation;like mongodb 1051361;1426221452;trinque;decimation: as those monstrosities "improve" they tend towards what rdbms has done forever 1051362;1426221461;trinque;and invariably worse than what came before 1051363;1426221465;asciilifeform;in principle any existing db gizmo that can be coaxed into using a single file for the store, is quite ready to be planted down on raw disk 1051364;1426221477;asciilifeform;except that if said disk is mechanical, you will get impedance mismatches 1051365;1426221486;decimation;they are perfectly fine if you really just want to store gobs of unstructured shit 1051366;1426221491;decimation;but in reality you want structure 1051367;1426221495;trinque;decimation: I don't believe that unstr... yeah that 1051368;1426221497;asciilifeform;and if ssd, will get impedance mismatches during write if your db isn't tuned to match the cache 1051369;1426221497;ben_vulpes;^^ 1051370;1426221500;trinque;hahaha 1051371;1426221505;ben_vulpes; but in reality you want structure << this 1051372;1426221523;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: should i be concerned with these pure performance issues? 1051373;1426221536;ben_vulpes;i want data i can query with a 'sane' language 1051374;1426221560;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: possibly. what's your application ? 1051375;1426221570;decimation;ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree 1051376;1426221593;trinque;decimation: depends on what questions interest you 1051377;1426221594;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: applying software to business problems. 1051378;1426221602;ben_vulpes;not pure "fast as fuck" compute problems. 1051379;1426221610;trinque;or more importantly, whether you know those questions exhaustively in advance 1051380;1426221612;trinque;(you don't) 1051381;1426221630;asciilifeform;in all seriousness, 'associative computing : a programming paradigm for massively parallel computers' (j., potter, 1992) 1051382;1426221644;asciilifeform;for folks who liked the 'twirl/twinkle' thread 1051383;1426221654;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree << i want to say "select * from outputs where output.spent_transaction is null;" 1051384;1426221659;asciilifeform;and eldrich db-like processors 1051385;1426221668;asciilifeform;where you can 'ask each word' about something 1051386;1426221709;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: for some reason i thought you were still speaking re: the blockchain! 1051387;1426221737;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: blockchain queries are a business logic concern! 1051388;1426221740;asciilifeform;(rather than db as used in your traditional $business) 1051389;1426221760;ben_vulpes;i really have no interest in optimized for min storage or max whatever the fuck 1051390;1426221784;ben_vulpes;optimal for me is always going to be somewhere around "gives me leverage on data" 1051391;1426221788;trinque;how else do you ask a computer an actual question? 1051392;1426221791;ben_vulpes;if slow, i guess fine. 1051393;1426221796;ben_vulpes;if bulky, idem. 1051394;1426221856;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i see where i went wrong vis-a-vis ibid/idem now. 1051395;1426221862;ben_vulpes;trinque: smokes? 1051396;1426221879;trinque;ben_vulpes: I'm about to pass out mang 1051397;1426221886;ben_vulpes;one last smoke 1051398;1426221891;ben_vulpes;then i will as well 1051399;1426221925;trinque;where you at? I wont smoke but I could walk 1051400;1426221935;ben_vulpes;righto, let's stroll through the cemetary 1051401;1426221947;trinque;it is decided 1051402;1426221950;ben_vulpes;'s no recoleta, but it serves my needs adequately 1051403;1426221967;ben_vulpes;see you shortly 1051404;1426222133;ben_vulpes;sweet dreams unicodecoporeality 1051405;1426222409;decimation;lol 1051406;1426223304;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1051407;1426223311;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 293.87, vol: 7683.36495602 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 290.5, vol: 6236.83744 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 293.89, vol: 26183.16444898 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 292.459568, vol: 143740.74800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 290.03538, vol: 6.67481305 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 296.7279, vol: 78.47301072 | Volume-weighted last average: 292.657401452 1051408;1426223351;asciilifeform;http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YqsTjmiifFk/UsH1OWSRt9I/AAAAAAAAIJM/o4k7Wr_o8Uk/s1600/German+soldier+lighting+his+cigarette+with+a+flamethrower,+1940s.jpg 1051409;1426223352;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRkDr9 ) 1051410;1426223878;asciilifeform;http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/russian-spy-laughing-execution-finland-1942 << also lulz 1051411;1426223879;assbot;Russian spy laughing through his execution in Finland, 1942 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRlUOR ) 1051412;1426225466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00035789 = 12.6335 BTC [+] {2} 1051413;1426226362;mircea_popescu; 'danger, 1,000,000 ohms!' << i forget, what's the resistence of 1mm of air ? like 1mn was it ? 1051414;1426226499;mircea_popescu;since we're doing rare shit : chick taking it in the ass http://40.media.tumblr.com/3a485bfec08126b605d4b84253043305/tumblr_n8mvzyCxQC1td0p2ho1_500.jpg 1051415;1426226500;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbKerN ) 1051416;1426226510;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very low once ionized 1051417;1426226604;decimation;http://chemistry.about.com/od/moleculescompounds/a/Table-Of-Electrical-Resistivity-And-Conductivity.htm < 1.3e16 to 3.3e16 ohms per meter 1051418;1426226605;assbot;Table of Electrical Resistivity and Conductivity ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbKsPs ) 1051419;1426226606;mircea_popescu; 4 x 10^13 ohm meters ios what im seeing 1051420;1426226616;mircea_popescu;so actually more like 40bn per mm. 1051421;1426226634;asciilifeform;~3kV/mm 1051422;1426226637;asciilifeform;iirc 1051423;1426226641;mircea_popescu;aha. yeah 1051424;1426226656;asciilifeform;at stp 1051425;1426226659;mircea_popescu;course that's slightly different a measure 1051426;1426226679;asciilifeform;good illustration for student is the toy 'jacob's ladder' 1051427;1426226683;mircea_popescu;that's "piercing plate condenser" etc 1051428;1426226684;asciilifeform;as seen in movie 'frankenstein' 1051429;1426226697;decimation;aye, breakdown voltage greatly reduced once there is plasma 1051430;1426226717;asciilifeform;http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/pa-hrrg1/figure-02-jacobs-ladder.jpg 1051431;1426226719;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbKEyi ) 1051432;1426226742;asciilifeform;https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/double-helix-jacobs-ladder.jpg << helical 1051433;1426226743;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbKIhx ) 1051434;1426226755;decimation;^ same reason you can bounce radio waves off of metor trails through the upper atmosphere 1051435;1426226827;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051328 << i entertain no illusion of having invented it, that's fo sho. 1051436;1426226827;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 04:31:31; trinque: this fs/db hybrid has been talked about for a damn long time 1051437;1426226875;asciilifeform;i (and $maxint other people) did it on 'commodore 64' floppy disks 1051438;1426226901;asciilifeform;normally when storage is scarce (or data set is huge) one cannot afford the waste of 'file system' that is not the same as the organization for the set 1051439;1426226930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00036181 = 18.0362 BTC [+] 1051440;1426226943;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what i had in mind tho, was more specficially "for blockchain only". 1051441;1426226952;mircea_popescu;as in, trivially : make the sectors the size of a block 1051442;1426226952;asciilifeform;well yes, that was the ancient thread 1051443;1426226963;decimation;http://www.spaceweatherradio.com/ < listen to live meteor 'pings' (distant transmitter made audible via meteor trails) 1051444;1426226964;assbot;Space Weather Radio: News and information about sunspots, solar flares and meteor showers ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbL2gd ) 1051445;1426226968;mircea_popescu;make, perhaps, the storage plan a tree 1051446;1426226969;mircea_popescu;erc 1051447;1426227007;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867720 1051448;1426227007;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2014 17:08:55; asciilifeform: (easiest solution: forget file system in the 1st place, just use raw block device. and then you don't even need msdos for anything.) 1051449;1426227034;mircea_popescu;right. in which line : since all hdds come reflashable anyway, how hard would it be to rape a ssd like we're raping the pogo, i wonder ? 1051450;1426227046;mircea_popescu;throw out its own blob, put in ours, make blockchain hdd. 1051451;1426227058;decimation;eh? why bother? 1051452;1426227064;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: trivial given that fr meade did all the heavy lifting and helpfully 'published' result 1051453;1426227065;mircea_popescu;control of hw. 1051454;1426227070;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ikr? 1051455;1426227077;mircea_popescu;all this anti-tero stuff helping the real teros. 1051456;1426227084;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050201 1051457;1426227084;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 16:56:15; asciilifeform: https://securelist.com/files/2015/02/Equation_group_questions_and_answers.pdf << pp. 32,33 have hashes. 1051458;1426227090;decimation;so you want to talk to the db over the sata bus? 1051459;1426227097;decimation;it would be hilarious to do so 1051460;1426227101;mircea_popescu;decimation why ? 1051461;1426227114;decimation;not saying it's a bad idea, just amusing 1051462;1426227124;asciilifeform;gnarly though 1051463;1426227132;asciilifeform;running various pieces on various chips 1051464;1426227134;decimation;I guess I don't see much point, considering that even having a sata bus implies you have a computer 1051465;1426227137;decimation;so why bother 1051466;1426227141;mircea_popescu;i want, in this order a) a fully b-a computing stack for bitcoin ; b) utter disrespect for antecessors made manifest. 1051467;1426227160;decimation;I can see why you would want to ensure the security of your drive, but that's a seperate matter 1051468;1426227171;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so we mount raw 'nand' from different vendors 1051469;1426227175;mircea_popescu;as far as i'm concerned, breaking any ansi standard is a net gain. 1051470;1426227179;asciilifeform;pref. from mutually-hostile nations 1051471;1426227184;mircea_popescu;sure. 1051472;1426227189;asciilifeform;tandemed with 74xxx 1051473;1426227200;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, might as well produce a pci-e card under s.nsa label 1051474;1426227201;asciilifeform;i have all of this planned out. 1051475;1426227206;decimation;with a pile of nand chips 1051476;1426227212;mircea_popescu;then this discussion will suffice :D 1051477;1426227238;asciilifeform;except that meanwhile i'm relying on, apparently, the profoundly retarded, to assemble b04rdz 1051478;1426227244;mircea_popescu;lol. don't we all. 1051479;1426227250;decimation;actually you could just use plain serial rs-232 bus 1051480;1426227251;asciilifeform;there is no avoiding the final solution to it 1051481;1426227255;decimation;not like you need high bandwidth anyway 1051482;1426227275;asciilifeform;decimation: so long as it keeps up with blocks, theoretically 1051483;1426227277;mircea_popescu;anyway, just to add : the people who have come before us have embedded into the very history of computing such burning, enraged contempt for us, that really damnatio is too good a fate. 1051484;1426227289;asciilifeform;but in practice, gadget that takes years to synch, is not very useful 1051485;1426227305;mircea_popescu;i don't think there's many fields outside of perhaps psychology where "practitioners" have for so long acted with such intense disregard for posterity. 1051486;1426227325;mircea_popescu;the casual perusal of openssl that earlier article triggered has crystallized this point in my head. 1051487;1426227331;decimation;mircea_popescu: just like (nearly?) everyone who opens a bitcoin exchange succumbs to the temptation to run 'fractional' 1051488;1426227342;decimation;every hardware vendor succumbs to the temptation to pwn its audience 1051489;1426227346;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html 1051490;1426227346;assbot;Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbLHOJ ) 1051491;1426227348;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that. 1051492;1426227350;asciilifeform;^ oblig. naggum 1051493;1426227365;asciilifeform;try to appreciate the difficulty, historically, of getting the bloody things to work at all. 1051494;1426227375;asciilifeform;from this boojum came the other sorrows. 1051495;1426227375;mircea_popescu;i will appreciate nothing. 1051496;1426227413;asciilifeform;it is important to understand why apparently-intelligent folks ate up the crap 1051497;1426227423;asciilifeform;because originally the thing working at all - was impressive. 1051498;1426227446;mircea_popescu;this is like "originbally, the bridge standing at all was impressive" 1051499;1426227449;mircea_popescu;srsly ? when, this. 1051500;1426227464;asciilifeform;dark age. 1051501;1426227467;asciilifeform;like now. 1051502;1426227477;mircea_popescu;the idea that you ~must~ code, whether it works or not, no matter what, is scandalous. 1051503;1426227486;mircea_popescu;i don't code. principally because i can't be arsed to do a good job of it. 1051504;1426227492;asciilifeform;sorta like 'must build bridge, even if out of corpses' 1051505;1426227507;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1051506;1426227514;mircea_popescu;there were no bridges in "dark age" 1051507;1426227529;mircea_popescu;the bridge and engineering are co-generated 1051508;1426227556;decimation;re: ~must code~ : historically there has been great profit in it, working or no 1051509;1426227577;mircea_popescu;this is no argument in this discussion, tho. historically there has been great profit in all sorts of dumb shit. 1051510;1426227669;mircea_popescu;really, find me a piece of code written with a clear contrite consideration of "people will read this tomorrow" 1051511;1426227687;mircea_popescu;in the manner people write fucking books. or at least did, before the great usian likbez pogrom 1051512;1426227694;asciilifeform;knuth tried to convince folks to 'literate programming' 1051513;1426227700;asciilifeform;(look it up, it was a try.) 1051514;1426227707;mircea_popescu;so he did. i recall reading it and not understanding what he meant at the time 1051515;1426227715;asciilifeform;this is approximately what he meant. 1051516;1426227715;mircea_popescu;no, i actually read knuth like i read buffett. 1051517;1426227722;mircea_popescu;i generally manage to identify the actual experts in fields. 1051518;1426227732;asciilifeform;there we go 1051519;1426227736;mircea_popescu;feynman, etc. 1051520;1426227746;asciilifeform;mccarthy also understood the unfolding disaster 1051521;1426227750;mircea_popescu;they're, contrary to what the "consumers have come to expect" like to pretend, very easy to find 1051522;1426227751;asciilifeform;and likewise dijkstra 1051523;1426227756;asciilifeform;very easy. 1051524;1426227758;asciilifeform;to find. 1051525;1426227760;mircea_popescu;"the thick book nobody ever borrows", generally. 1051526;1426227786;asciilifeform;the very same. can go to uni library, and they're stuck together. like the volumes of lenin (true story. i unstuck'em) 1051527;1426227808;asciilifeform;compulsively pulled on one, they all came out 1051528;1426227812;mircea_popescu;hegel was the same way, in the cluj universitarian library. supposedly the european expert in hegel resided there. 1051529;1426228042;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: notice how all of the surviving sage works are by theorists. 1051530;1426228048;asciilifeform;it is interesting to consider why. 1051531;1426228063;asciilifeform;aside from 'the spartan speaks with his sword' 1051532;1426228071;mircea_popescu;now /that/ is very dark ages. not that many practical moralists in 1200 1051533;1426228102;mircea_popescu;for that matter, not that many economists in soviet russia. 1051534;1426228115;mircea_popescu;the *actual* kind, i mean 1051535;1426228180;asciilifeform;more humble observation here, that making anything physical+original whatsoever on modern industrial base is titanically expensive, demoralizing, or both 1051536;1426228211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 330 @ 0.01001 = 3.3033 BTC [-] {3} 1051537;1426228212;asciilifeform;or is it that smart folks avoid experimental work because, well, smarter? 1051538;1426228221;asciilifeform;feynman diddled radio as a young man - but quit, note. 1051539;1426228239;mircea_popescu;he broke safes his entire life tho. 1051540;1426228252;asciilifeform;aha, but did not rely on result. 1051541;1426228255;asciilifeform;did - for pleasure. 1051542;1426228256;mircea_popescu;he was actually, in comparative terms, more of a noted expert in the field of safe cracking than in the field of physics 1051543;1426228271;mircea_popescu;mostly because much fewer people did the former 1051544;1426228330;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform writing a book of actual economy in moscow 1960 was equally titanical and demoralizing. or to get back to earth : a book on actual psychopathology in leningrad, bout same time. 1051545;1426228332;mircea_popescu;folks even tried! 1051546;1426228491;gabriel_laddel;Does anyone take issue with me describing the lordship as "the peerage" and #-assets as "earth's premiere commercial forum"? 1051547;1426228504;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine so. and if they did, what of it. 1051548;1426228525;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: describe it as world's premier atomic dirigible, if you take pleasure in this 1051549;1426228602;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, is the article of faith that jesus is coming on a great atomic dirigible from the sky to take us to the other planet and smite the unbelievers ? 1051550;1426228606;mircea_popescu;or was that the other cult. 1051551;1426228618;asciilifeform;arse rocket 1051552;1426228631;asciilifeform;was j. smith's version, iirc 1051553;1426228642;asciilifeform;there is actually a children's book with illustrations, yes 1051554;1426228650;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: If people were to take issue with this perhaps I'm missing information (and thus need to learn xyz). I'm going to do as I please either way, but prefer to be accurate. 1051555;1426228659;mircea_popescu;Fartse - The World's Premiere Gravity Well Degravitizer. 1051556;1426228662;asciilifeform;(al schwartz linked to it at one point, long ago) 1051557;1426228671;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel makes sense. 1051558;1426228672;asciilifeform;degravitizer << sign me up, lol 1051559;1426228683;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's sorta like a howitzer. 1051560;1426228714;*;asciilifeform wonders if there is a single p&p robot or reflow line in all of .ar 1051561;1426228740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't understand. argentina is trying to support a romania-level living standard on the basis of... soy exports. 1051562;1426228753;mircea_popescu;they used to export carne vacuna, but then failed to meet their quotas and lost the contracts. 1051563;1426228755;asciilifeform;hey that's not so different from what i'm doing here on small scale 1051564;1426228771;mircea_popescu;meanwhile romania is exporting nuclear technology, weaponry, high tech mechanics etc. 1051565;1426228815;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: regarding "code as data" common lisp has the var *read-eval* you can bind to nil if you're processing code as data. 1051566;1426228824;mircea_popescu;they don't have a drydock. or a car factory. or a truck factory. or a plane factory. 1051567;1426228827;mircea_popescu;they don't even make bullets. 1051568;1426228834;asciilifeform;i thought bullets were the one thing 1051569;1426228845;asciilifeform;that .ar still remembered how to make 1051570;1426228872;gabriel_laddel;also, pretty trivial to flatten some sexprs and check that only kosher symbols in it. 1051571;1426228873;mircea_popescu;mnope. brazil took that over too. 1051572;1426228903;asciilifeform;!s chicken also wants to live 1051573;1426228904;assbot;1 results for 'chicken also wants to live' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chicken+also+wants+to+live 1051574;1426228917;mircea_popescu;if china (and to some degree russia an' italy) stop propping them, argentina goes to meet cuba on its way to chad. 1051575;1426228947;gabriel_laddel;*are contained within it. 1051576;1426228959;mircea_popescu;on the positive side however : this is the closest you can get to china commercially without getting close to them in a political sense. 1051577;1426228981;asciilifeform;i promise that i'd find this very interesting if had actual capital base... 1051578;1426229004;*;asciilifeform tallies up value of organs 1051579;1426229035;mircea_popescu;lol 1051580;1426229176;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaSinPat << a fine example. 1051581;1426229178;assbot;FaSinPat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cb6W1G ) 1051582;1426229181;asciilifeform;meanwhile fiat world put 120megabux to organize liquishit pumped from one cistern to another 10,000 times. 1051583;1426229181;mircea_popescu;ceramic tile factory. 1051584;1426229553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75600 @ 0.00035356 = 26.7291 BTC [-] {2} 1051585;1426230956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00032335 = 7.7281 BTC [-] 1051586;1426231505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00032335 = 4.9149 BTC [-] 1051587;1426235179;mats;https://soundcloud.com/san-fermin-1/emily 1051588;1426235181;assbot;"Emily by San Fermin - Hear the world’s sounds" ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzKmyW ) 1051589;1426235226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 114 @ 0.01001 = 1.1411 BTC [-] 1051590;1426235453;mats;hm, won't be long til USD is worth more than EUR 1051591;1426235531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00032322 = 11.1511 BTC [-] 1051592;1426235588;mats;" Strategists at Deutsche Bank expect the euro to fall to the $0.90 mark against the dollar by the end of 2016 and keep falling over the next 12 months to end 2017 at $0.85." 1051593;1426235690;mircea_popescu;clearly the "sanctions against russia" are working. 1051594;1426235894;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/AXThMpA.jpg 1051595;1426235895;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzMcjn ) 1051596;1426235948;mircea_popescu;lol is that srs ? 1051597;1426236770;davout;fluffypony: lol 1051598;1426236787;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: no it's a joke 1051599;1426236801;fluffypony;about as serious as the NO GO ZONES in Paris 1051600;1426236810;mircea_popescu;wait those aren't srs either ?! 1051601;1426236836;fluffypony;sadface emoticon 1051602;1426237056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73137 @ 0.00032285 = 23.6123 BTC [-] {2} 1051603;1426240472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55927 @ 0.00032227 = 18.0236 BTC [-] {2} 1051604;1426243749;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.65000237 BTC. Current weight: 45,525. 1051605;1426244932;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 60.35220426 BTC. Current weight: 95,319. 1051606;1426246206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45293 @ 0.00032158 = 14.5653 BTC [-] 1051607;1426247816;kakobrekla;http://xkcd.com/1497/ 1051608;1426247817;assbot;xkcd: New Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1FicAQq ) 1051609;1426247867;kakobrekla;seems helpful. 1051610;1426249926;cazalla;so i goes on the whaleclub teamspeak on account i'm drunk.. 1051611;1426249939;cazalla;a) can't get their version of !up to speak 1051612;1426249998;cazalla;b) some random cunt is talking about launching an altcoin whereby he "destroys an oz of gold on webcam" as proof of burn for creation of his altcoin 1051613;1426250018;cazalla;c) such whales talking about the joys of flipping bitcents for gift cards 1051614;1426250076;cazalla;worse, TaT masquerades as bitcoinassets on it and is a mod to boot 1051615;1426250318;kakobrekla;O_O 1051616;1426250625;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978088.msg10756505#msg10756505 1051617;1426250626;assbot;Is someone monitoring large parts of the network? (evidence+firwall rules) ... ( http://bit.ly/1GziFGf ) 1051618;1426250627;nubbins`;dem whitelists 1051619;1426250694;cazalla;saw that earlier 1051620;1426250785;cazalla;bitnodes pop up with similar shit pinging the network 1051621;1426250826;cazalla;nubbins`, u evar gonna make posters again? i saw the last edition was fetching a decent price on bitcointalk 1051622;1426250842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14120 @ 0.00032882 = 4.6429 BTC [+] 1051623;1426250879;cazalla;i did not mention this due to criticism of mancave.. but as i sat in my recently acquired mancave, i thought it would be a suitable spot (have relocated back to shared computer/craft room on account autumn is here and mancave is too fucking cold) 1051624;1426250891;nubbins`;cazalla i thought about a "how to spot scams" poster or similar 1051625;1426250915;nubbins`;if you want one of the last edition, TECSHARE probably is dying to get rid of his 1051626;1426250961;kakobrekla;i think i still have 4 of them posters 1051627;1426250983;cazalla;you guys criticise the mancave but seriously, when the missus and the kid push you out of the masterbedroom due to lack of sleep and then push you out the kids room which was turned into makeshift computer room but needs it back because apparently a pig pen isn't big enough for him now, you might appreciate the man cave aka cold ass garage 1051628;1426250987;kakobrekla;if anyone is interested i guess i could part em. 1051629;1426251037;cazalla;kakobrekla, i'm drunk, i talk shit when drunk, sorta how i make bitbet's and forget to bet on my own bets 1051630;1426251056;cazalla;so even if i was intersted, sober cazalla might not be as willing to pay a premium 1051631;1426251124;cazalla;felt a little bad about that as i was trying to talk BingoBoingo into a bet over the bali nine executions to come on account i think they'll go free 1051632;1426251143;cazalla;so settled on using bitbet for it but.. alcohol and fucked it all up 1051633;1426251189;nubbins`;cazalla you are not sleeping in the garage 1051634;1426251220;cazalla;and i am stuck using fucking electrum since then because for some reason, since bitcoin-qt 0.10.0 came out, my old 0.8.3, 0.8.6 throws errors and i can't fully sync and even lame attempt to try 0.10.0 falls flat.. i think maybe memory is fucked though unrelated, memtest86 throws a bunch of errors 1051635;1426251236;cazalla;nubbins`, i was, but i took the bed back into the kids room 1051636;1426251239;nubbins`;atta boy 1051637;1426251266;nubbins`;closest thing i have to a mancave is a FULLY FUNCTIONING AND FULLY APPOINTED SILKSCREEN PRINTING STUDIO IN MY BASEMENT 1051638;1426251274;cazalla;garage is not that bad tbh, reminds me of when i had my own place by the beach, no woman, no kids 1051639;1426251286;nubbins`;THAT I CAN SMOKE DOPE IN BECAUSE IT HAS EXHAUST FANS 1051640;1426251303;nubbins`;shoulda snipped your tubes hey 1051641;1426251325;cazalla;not reary 1051642;1426251331;cazalla;she's a good woman, he's a good kid 1051643;1426251352;gabriel_laddel;cazalla: "you guys criticise the mancave but seriously, when the missus" << !s beat her 1051644;1426251358;cazalla;i just prefer the autism sanctuary of living by onesself 1051645;1426251362;nubbins`;heh. 1051646;1426251366;nubbins`;i understand 1051647;1426251375;nubbins`;have done it both ways 1051648;1426251376;cazalla;gabriel_laddel you can't do that in this country 1051649;1426251383;nubbins`;when living alone, i ended up spending most of my time at other's houses 1051650;1426251417;cazalla;the big mistake i made was getting a woman pregnant prior to living with her.. things were all fine and dandy while i had my own place and could fuck her and send her home after the fact 1051651;1426251443;gabriel_laddel;;; google site: www.trilema.com "pack your bags women we're going to" 1051652;1426251444;gribble;Pack Your Bags We're Going On A Guilt Trip Magnet by ... - Etsy: ; Series 2 Episode 01 – The Bad Fish Paradigm | Big Bang Theory ...: ; You're gonna have to learn that variety speak pe Trilema - Un blog ...: (1 more message) 1051653;1426251479;cazalla;i could leave her in a heart beat, but not my son 1051654;1426251512;gabriel_laddel;;; google site: trilema.com "you're taking the kids" 1051655;1426251513;gribble;Because most people are idiots, in spite of never manning ... - Trilema: ; Let's pretend... pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Money, fucking and lying pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Rav Kook on Bo: Donkey-Holiness: ; Columnist: Israel Would Steal the Messiah's Donkey - The Wire: 1051698;1426252252;cazalla;still, i can't help but feel affection for a homogeneous society like japan.. fucking mudslimes and other ethnics have destroyed australia within a generation 1051699;1426252270;gabriel_laddel;nah 1051700;1426252279;cazalla;lefty whitey australian so quick to demand rights for the new australia muslims for some reason 1051701;1426252295;gabriel_laddel;and the "right" (or whatever) was weak enough to allow them to 1051702;1426252326;gabriel_laddel;In other news, some interesting sounds 1051703;1426252328;nubbins`;worth arguing that whitey destroyed ethnic australia 1051704;1426252328;gabriel_laddel;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a-IvSUD3YE 1051705;1426252330;assbot;Furries in a Blender - Reach Out [HD] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gzozah ) 1051706;1426252375;cazalla;nubbins`, fucking baby boomers eh? (this is who i blame nowadays) 1051707;1426252381;nubbins`;there sure are a lot of them 1051708;1426252437;nubbins`;anyway it's sort of silly to pretend that immigration to australia is the problem 1051709;1426252458;nubbins`;since, cough, every white person in australia is either an immigrant or a recent descendent thereof 1051710;1426252472;gabriel_laddel;Eh, nothing wrong with imperialism 1051711;1426252476;*;nubbins` shrugs 1051712;1426252479;nubbins`;not making the call on that 1051713;1426252491;nubbins`;just "this door should be closed!" right after you walk through it sounds a bit silly 1051714;1426252494;cazalla;yeah my missus constantly reminds me that i am the most racist first generation australian she has met 1051715;1426252507;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: Nonsense. 1051716;1426252525;nubbins`;continue 1051717;1426252533;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: what, you're a "attractive-ist" for only fucking hot gurlz? 1051718;1426252548;nubbins`;no, you're a hedonist 1051719;1426252553;gabriel_laddel;the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK. 1051720;1426252561;cazalla;i don't mind imperialism but it fucked up by not wiping out the abos 1051721;1426252563;nubbins`;and we all know that a society of hedonists is a good society indeed 1051722;1426252587;nubbins`;gabriel_laddel sure, but when COWS start saying it? 1051723;1426252596;gabriel_laddel;move. 1051724;1426252605;nubbins`;i like where i live 8) 1051725;1426252606;gabriel_laddel;let reality branch cut and backtrack. 1051726;1426252622;cazalla;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_61OnKVEAAtV_v.jpg:large "blockchain university" damn look at that hambeast front and centre 1051727;1426252623;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GzpAzj ) 1051728;1426252643;gabriel_laddel;all these "right wing" "conservitive" organizations or whatever are pathetic. I was looking into e.g., the golden dawn earlier tonight... 1051729;1426252645;gabriel_laddel;Ugh. 1051730;1426252650;*;nubbins` nods 1051731;1426252651;gabriel_laddel;or VDARE. 1051732;1426252657;nubbins`;the racist is generally an intellectual dullard 1051733;1426252666;gabriel_laddel;which had a problem with bisexuality 1051734;1426252671;cazalla;gabriel_laddel, ya know why it is attractive to idiot country bumpkins like me though right? 1051735;1426252687;nubbins`;because it lets you ignore yourself as the cause of all your problems? 1051736;1426252690;gabriel_laddel;cazalla: not really 1051737;1426252696;cazalla;nubbins`, clearly part of it 1051738;1426252702;*;nubbins` nods 1051739;1426252703;nubbins`;continue 1051740;1426252733;cazalla;i'm out of wine so not sure if i should lol 1051741;1426252775;gabriel_laddel;heh, for future readers 1051742;1426252781;gabriel_laddel;http://trilema.com/2014/hai-sictir-timisoaro/ 1051743;1426252781;assbot;Hai sictir, Timisoaro! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeOEOl ) 1051744;1426252793;nubbins`;incidentally, the original white inhabitants of this land mass on which i currently am living totally wiped out an entire race of people who had lived here prior 1051745;1426252803;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beothuk 1051746;1426252805;assbot;Beothuk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeOKp8 ) 1051747;1426252825;cazalla;nubbins`, so what? 1051748;1426252828;gabriel_laddel;"The one thing which Timisoara does consistently and well is failure. In 2007 I attempted to organise an art exhibit, on the terms that I was going to pay, in cash, for everything involved. They didn't manage to do it. Last year, I attempted to support a nascent local party, by paying for a quarter's rent and other expenses (a quarter ton of alcohol, mostly) for a bunch of self-styled neonazi local kids. I pulled th 1051749;1426252828;gabriel_laddel;e plug on that thing three months later, at the end of which they.had.not done.anything. I'm not sure you exactly grok me, it's not that they hadn't round up the town's minorities and set them on fire. It's that they couldn't get together to make some stencils which someone (hopefully, someone else) was perhaps sometime (2015 ?) going to use for some purpose. Somewhere. Whatever." 1051750;1426252831;nubbins`;just makin convo 1051751;1426252848;nubbins`;("incidentally"!) 1051752;1426252877;nubbins`;gabriel_laddel did you see the picture of the kids he rounded up for the "political party"? 1051753;1426252879;nubbins`;o.O 1051754;1426252883;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: lolyeah 1051755;1426252886;nubbins`;my sides. 1051756;1426252892;nubbins`;"oddly, nothing came of it" 1051757;1426252957;gabriel_laddel;cazalla: I'm still not sure why you want quiet hobbit land fyi 1051758;1426252969;gabriel_laddel;"nothing changes" 1051759;1426252972;gabriel_laddel;fucking shoot me 1051760;1426252988;cazalla;in the world where nothing changes, i don't grow old and die i guess 1051761;1426253015;cazalla;the familiarity of my youth is long gone, this country is run amok full of chinks and muslims 1051762;1426253029;gabriel_laddel;cazalla: do you mind if I ask what books you're reading your son btw? 1051763;1426253054;nubbins`;ahaha 1051764;1426253073;nubbins`;"reading? my son? i ain't no wimminz" 1051765;1426253079;gabriel_laddel;aw come on 1051766;1426253085;*;nubbins` shrugs, gestures 1051767;1426253107;cazalla;gabriel_laddel, beatrix potter, mr men, other assorted books we got as gifts 1051768;1426253137;cazalla;nubbins`, i read to him every day and have done so pretty much since he was born (few days missed here and there) 1051769;1426253166;gabriel_laddel;hey, good for you! 1051770;1426253270;cazalla;nubbins`, pfft, i do all the cooking and cleaning fwiw 1051771;1426253288;nubbins`;BUT THAT'S WOMEN'S WORK CAZALLA 1051772;1426253294;cazalla;not simply because missus is useless for such tasks, but i enjoy cooking and the cleaning provides me with an illusion of control 1051773;1426253294;nubbins`;or something 1051774;1426253304;cazalla;nah, best chefs are men 1051775;1426253317;nubbins`;that was farcical 1051776;1426253320;nubbins`;i love cooking food :/ 1051777;1426253352;nubbins`;recently been making lots of korean dishes that i haven't been able to eat since i left there in 2007 1051778;1426253354;nubbins`;or whenever it was 1051779;1426253358;cazalla;anyway, it's difficult to raise a kid right these days 1051780;1426253361;nubbins`;^ 1051781;1426253367;nubbins`;why i don't have any 1051782;1426253384;nubbins`;that and i'm not ready to press my generational reset button 1051783;1426253401;cazalla;you're up against an immense wave of shit made in china, ipads, tv, public education the constant reinforce that should you buck the status quo, you're a bad parent 1051784;1426253460;cazalla;me either nubbins` but "nature finds a way" 1051785;1426253463;nubbins`;heh 1051786;1426253482;nubbins`;teach your kid chinese, no joke 1051787;1426253488;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: uh 1051788;1426253500;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: their language doesn't map to computers all that well 1051789;1426253506;cazalla;nubbins`, i teach him auslan 1051790;1426253509;gabriel_laddel;== fucked 1051791;1426253524;nubbins`;does it map to mouth sounds well? 8) 1051792;1426253573;jurov;teach him latin :D 1051793;1426253583;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: doesn't matter. Let's say that you are a super good people person but can't verify any of what your computer is doing in the future. 1051794;1426253593;gabriel_laddel;you're fucked. 1051795;1426253612;nubbins`;that's the situation i'm in right now 1051796;1426253622;nubbins`;:D 1051797;1426253626;cazalla;by rights i should know another language but zomg the shame of speaking german 1051798;1426253639;nubbins`;the shame! 1051799;1426253648;nubbins`;ersetzen aufladen! 1051800;1426253649;cazalla;fucking idiot father didn't bother 1051801;1426253668;jurov;einpfropfen verboten! 1051802;1426253678;nubbins`;heh 1051803;1426253684;cazalla;and fucking idiot father's father couldn't speak a word of english yet 2 generations after can't speak a word of german 1051804;1426253701;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: the english (or korean!) language maps to computers becuase the characters compose. you'll only have to learn how to talk to a computer instead of a whole new system of language + computers. 1051805;1426253718;cazalla;doesn't matter anyway, my father is/was weak, feminine, useless 1051806;1426253724;nubbins`;gabriel_laddel while you *can* type chinese using simplified chars, i wasn't implying that he learn chinese for computer use 1051807;1426253726;nubbins`;he has english for that. 1051808;1426253742;cazalla;but what else do you get from the youngest in the family 1051809;1426253744;gabriel_laddel;my point is that chinese as is must go away if they want to work with computers 1051810;1426253777;gabriel_laddel;the chinese I know who learn "english for programming" have all sorts of massive misconceptions about computers, language, mathematics etc. 1051811;1426253804;nubbins`;they have misconceptions about mathematics, and it's because their mother tongue is chinese? 1051812;1426253806;nubbins`;o.O 1051813;1426253827;nubbins`;also korean alphabet +1 top kek 1051814;1426253843;nubbins`;learned it on the descent into seoul 1051815;1426253851;nubbins`;13 fucking vowels!! 1051816;1426253952;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: the language doesn't help. For example, a chinese mathematics undergrad from Peking U. I know thought that using a computer algebra system to do mathematics was "cheating". Person in question had no notion of "playing with mathematics". This is more of a cultural thing, but much of human thought is captured in language. 1051817;1426253975;cazalla;so what is the opinion of the erudites here regaring what polgar did with his daughters? that has sorta been my goal with my son, find one thing for him and push him hard in that direction 1051818;1426254010;gabriel_laddel;By relieving the brain of all unnecessary work, a good notation sets it free to concentrate on more advanced problems, and in effect increases the mental power of the race. -- A.N. Whitehead 1051819;1426254063;gabriel_laddel;See also China's Examination Hell: The Civil Service Examinations of Imperial China 1051820;1426254083;gabriel_laddel;originally recommended by Stanislav 1051821;1426254091;gabriel_laddel;Interesting book. 1051822;1426254236;gabriel_laddel;cazalla: see also John von Neumann and Norbert Wiener: From Mathematics to the Technologies of Life and Death 1051823;1426254263;gabriel_laddel;it has some stuff about polgar's daughters 1051824;1426254265;cazalla;will take a look tmw when of sober mind 1051825;1426254268;nubbins`;cazalla sounds like a great idea unless your kid turns out to be not particularly cut out for that particular thing 1051826;1426254286;cazalla;nubbins`, well if he's not, he can do what i do, but only one way to find out 1051827;1426254323;*;gabriel_laddel I'll note that I hate the perspective of the author in that book but liked the information he had to present. 1051828;1426254325;nubbins`;so what's the one thing you're gonna push him towards 1051829;1426254375;cazalla;nubbins`, no idea yet, he likes to mash on the electric keyboard i have here but then what kid wouldn't? 1051830;1426254380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00032158 = 8.6987 BTC [-] 1051831;1426254382;nubbins`;nod 1051832;1426254399;gabriel_laddel;the machines in the shop roar so wildly / that i often forget in the roar that I am ; / i am lost in the terrible tumult, / my ego disappears, i am a machine. / i work, and work and word without end; / i am busy, and busy and busy all the time. / for what? and for whom? I know not, I ask not! / how should a machine ever come to think? 1051833;1426254402;cazalla;end up fighting over it while i attempt to play california games while he does his own thing :) 1051834;1426254404;gabriel_laddel;^ from the above book 1051835;1426254608;nubbins`;but it was too late for all that, the buggers held full control, so all rooms are now hospital. the candy cart of medication wheels behind me, manacled by psychotic chains. lines of divison have been dissolved. this letter is also spoken live in the minds of all others. medication is food. Rx is smoked. food is smoked. all useless as light dripped from bulbs into splashing puddles of light on the floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. 1051836;1426254608;nubbins`; rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. /// flies spit antipsychotic froth on their tongues & wheel about cheap paint walls. all hospitals are life now. 1051837;1426254614;nubbins`;^ from a book we published in 2013 ;0 1051838;1426254652;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: ! 1051839;1426254659;gabriel_laddel;Fun in the USA 1051840;1426254662;nubbins`;tl;dr schizophrenia isn't as romantic as you think 1051841;1426254669;nubbins`;in fact, "fun" in eastern canada 1051842;1426254674;gabriel_laddel;O 1051843;1426254758;cazalla;i bet the scam poetry.com ran back in the late 90s, early 2000's would work far better today amongst the narcissistic facebook generation of today 1051844;1426254766;cazalla;going to bed anyway, zzz 1051845;1426254787;nubbins`;nite 1051846;1426254796;gabriel_laddel;"Only a man from Budapest can enter a revolving door behind you and exit ahead of you" -- jvn 1051847;1426254797;gabriel_laddel;har 1051848;1426254874;nubbins`;i've thought about release above-quoted tome as an ebook, but it's such a pain 1051849;1426254886;nubbins`;and nobody'd buy it anyway 1051850;1426254893;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: I'd pirate it. 1051851;1426254898;nubbins`;you probably wouldn't 1051852;1426254921;nubbins`;at least one person would have to find and purchase it for that to happen :P 1051853;1426255024;nubbins`;hm, i have some posters from the release here somewhere 1051854;1426255082;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/CKzEK 1051855;1426255083;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1xk2OX6 ) 1051856;1426255195;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: is the guy an actual lunatic or just a deviant his "family & friends" decided to reformat (in your estimation). 1051857;1426255242;nubbins`;close friend of mine. has been in the bughouse at least a half dozen times 1051858;1426255263;nubbins`;but y'know. sensible, intelligent guy, great writer 1051859;1426255309;nubbins`;generally writes about his own life experiences, occasionally embellished 1051860;1426255390;nubbins`;that book in particular is confusing, depressing, and ultimately without resolution or catharsis 1051861;1426255401;nubbins`;which actually precisely parallels living with schizophrenia 1051862;1426255405;nubbins`;so... 1051863;1426255424;gabriel_laddel;I see. 1051864;1426255432;nubbins`;it's a lesson disguised as a novel 8) 1051865;1426255783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46355 @ 0.00032155 = 14.9055 BTC [-] {2} 1051866;1426255910;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1051867;1426255911;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 292.8, Best ask: 292.83, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 292.88, 24 hour volume: 44039.14305288, 24 hour low: 286.0, 24 hour high: 298.8, 24 hour vwap: None 1051868;1426256027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11061 @ 0.00032086 = 3.549 BTC [-] 1051869;1426256554;jurov;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/12/us-bitcoin-ibm-idUSKBN0M82KB20150312 1051870;1426256556;assbot; Exclusive: IBM looking at adopting bitcoin technology for major currencies| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6JNDi ) 1051871;1426256638;jurov;"We are at a tipping point right now. It's making a lot more sense for some type of digital cash in the system, that not only saves our government money, but also is a lot more convenient and secure for individuals to use," the source said. 1051872;1426256778;jurov;they failed to make _anything_ secure. butbut "blockchain technology!!!1" 1051873;1426256808;jurov;!up CheckDavid 1051874;1426256824;jurov;!up felipelalli 1051875;1426256842;jurov;!up mike_c 1051876;1426257356;BingoBoingo;various gnomings http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/invented-by-openbsd 1051877;1426257357;assbot;invented by openbsd ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYj7Ou ) 1051878;1426257552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138056 @ 0.00032044 = 44.2387 BTC [-] {2} 1051879;1426258101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7380 @ 0.000327 = 2.4133 BTC [+] 1051880;1426258955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00032913 = 6.6813 BTC [+] 1051881;1426259870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64400 @ 0.00032618 = 21.006 BTC [-] {3} 1051882;1426260040;thestringpuller;chainalysis.com 1051883;1426260050;thestringpuller;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978088.msg10756505#msg10756505 1051884;1426260108;thestringpuller;https://i.imgflip.com/is9v9.jpg << horse drawn gasenwagen 1051885;1426260178;nubbins`;heh 1051886;1426260297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00032913 = 10.2524 BTC [+] 1051887;1426260677;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/iYL6DBr.jpg 1051888;1426260679;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NT07qa ) 1051889;1426260680;nubbins`;'merkuh 1051890;1426261332;danielpbarron;height=273710 vs height=207965 1051891;1426262276;BingoBoingo;!up bearmarket 1051892;1426262280;BingoBoingo;Hello bearmarket 1051893;1426263215;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm nearly cured of wanting anything whatsoever to do with netbsd now. 1051894;1426263270;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: When they people forked out OpenBSD, seems they kept the wrong people 1051895;1426263614;Burrmarket;ohh thanks for the verify 1051896;1426263802;ben_vulpes;cazalla, gabriel_laddel: it's totarry the jooz. 1051897;1426263943;ben_vulpes; [13:15] the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK. << and furthermore, the #b-a creed 1051898;1426264050;ben_vulpes; [13:29] you're up against an immense wave of shit made in china, ipads, tv, public education the constant reinforce that should you buck the status quo, you're a bad parent << jesus shit if you go *with* the status quo you're a bad parent 1051899;1426264074;ben_vulpes;"yes it's entirely a good idea to lock everyone from ages 8-18 up with each other and nobody else, that won't promptly lead to all sorts of pathologies." 1051900;1426264363;ben_vulpes;!s secret service agents 1051901;1426264364;assbot;11 results for 'secret service agents' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=secret+service+agents 1051902;1426264383;ben_vulpes;tres lulz 1051903;1426264406;danielpbarron;nearly cured of wanting anything whatsoever to do with netbsd << what does this mean for pogo? 1051904;1426264459;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999245 << how hard would it be to resolve this? 1051905;1426264459;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 01:43:22; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: iirc, openbsd will not see the nand flash on the 'pogo.' 1051906;1426264470;danielpbarron;because I agree, I do not like netbsd 1051907;1426264550;*;danielpbarron dreams of pine trees 1051908;1426264620;ben_vulpes;i had my first relational algebra dream two nights ago 1051909;1426264634;trinque;^LOL 1051910;1426264653;trinque;also good morning, all 1051911;1426264714;trinque;ben_vulpes: did the perfect schema float down from the heavens? 1051912;1426264743;ben_vulpes;trinque: i'm no mircea_popescu, i have to tweak and derp and derp and tweak 1051913;1426264750;ben_vulpes;until the jews start crawling out of my skin 1051914;1426264872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120940 @ 0.00031883 = 38.5593 BTC [-] {3} 1051915;1426265266;mod6;;;later tell jurov The mailing list is still snarffing messages. The dns fix didn't seem to help. 1051916;1426265266;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1051917;1426265299;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: it wasn't just the nand 1051918;1426265307;asciilifeform;(netbsd doesn't support the nand either) 1051919;1426265320;asciilifeform;i started work on a driver but there's no time. 1051920;1426265386;asciilifeform;what does this mean for pogo? << it means that one of you will have to come up with an os 1051921;1426265543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29189 @ 0.00032525 = 9.4937 BTC [+] 1051922;1426265591;nubbins`;even using the sd card for os isn't an unbearable extra burden 1051923;1426265609;asciilifeform;nubbins`: mmno. 1051924;1426265682;vhost-;>+ben_vulpes | i had my first relational algebra dream two nights ago 1051925;1426265685;vhost-;haha 1051926;1426265881;nubbins`;n/m catching up on logs 1051927;1426266004;mod6;<+asciilifeform> i started work on a driver but there's no time. << I'm pretty much in the same boat but it kinda sounds fun to write. I hate pdf's but I found this that sort of defines what I think the issue is here. Can you confirm ascii? http://chewiefs.sed.hu/sites/chewiefs.sed.hu/files/NetBSD_Flash_subsystem_final_nopagenum.pdf 1051928;1426266006;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1b85OBv ) 1051929;1426266133;danielpbarron;even using the sd card for os << not necessary; the whole thing can go on the same hard drive as the blockchain 1051930;1426266162;danielpbarron;when that static build of bitcoind is ready, i'll try to compile it for pogo and see if it runs on debian 1051931;1426266170;danielpbarron;at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap 1051932;1426266177;nubbins`;gabriel_laddel:Does anyone take issue with me describing the lordship as "the peerage" and #-assets as "earth's premiere commercial forum"? <<< ... 1051933;1426266233;nubbins`;cazalla:worse, TaT masquerades as bitcoinassets on it and is a mod to boot <<< ... 1051934;1426266279;danielpbarron;i am chatting from debian-on-a-pogo -- it's very nice, and if anyone wants such a machine I highly recommend it 1051935;1426266315;danielpbarron;the blue model is perfect for this purpose, just add SD card of any size 1051936;1426266373;thestringpuller;cazalla: ah so that's where TaT went to. 1051937;1426266505;thestringpuller;any qntra editors awake? 1051938;1426266573;davout;danielpbarron: "at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap" <<< i was under the impression it was coming to debian too 1051939;1426266634;danielpbarron;from what i can tell, it isn't there yet 1051940;1426266731;davout;yea, what i understood too, coming nonetheless 1051941;1426266914;trinque;!up stunna 1051942;1426266955;nubbins`;danielpbarron mine's serving files 1051943;1426266960;danielpbarron;You are blocked from following @0xabad1dea and viewing @0xabad1dea's Tweets. Learn more << the list grows :D 1051944;1426267415;danielpbarron;Unable to promote this Tweet -- This Tweet violates Twitter's policy on ad content. Please review our Ads Policy. 1051945;1426267958;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1051946;1426268164;danielpbarron;!up Transisto 1051947;1426268348;danielpbarron;(NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. Because of this, take care NOT to get the distribution from an FTP server in the US if you are outside of Canada and the US.) 1051948;1426269270;ben_vulpes;this is the most unbelievably gorgeous spring i've ever seen here 1051949;1426269426;ben_vulpes;warm 1051950;1426269428;ben_vulpes;no rain 1051951;1426269430;ben_vulpes;lots of sun 1051952;1426269445;ben_vulpes;but the planet's not choking under human smog or anything 1051953;1426270117;danielpbarron;http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man1/signify.1 << apparently openbsd has its own tool for creating and verifying signatures 1051954;1426270118;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbqBLm ) 1051955;1426270401;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: They use that for code/binaries, because GPG is GPL and in their distribution it is license unacceptable by their standards 1051956;1426270834;danielpbarron;everything i learn about openbsd makes me like it more than before 1051957;1426270998;thestringpuller;coinbase blog runs on node.js 1051958;1426271000;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: The signify thing depends on libsodium for however good it is along with probably other things 1051959;1426271155;kakobrekla; (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. < im sure you are familiar with 'pgpi scanning project' 1051960;1426271229;mircea_popescu;lmao @weirdus 1051961;1426271244;asciilifeform;the whole thing can go on the same hard drive as the blockchain << NO. must be able to insert brand new drive in brand new unit and have it format. or replacement drive. 1051962;1426271271;asciilifeform;at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap << do you have a fully-source-based cross-compilator build of debian? if not, it's worthless. 1051963;1426271303;asciilifeform;and yes, systemd is coming to debian 1051964;1426271310;asciilifeform;thing's dead. 1051965;1426271352;danielpbarron;i am trying to come up with solutions that I myself might be capable of achieving; I'm not aware of anyone else who is working on this thing 1051966;1426271376;danielpbarron;looks like gentoo might work on it 1051967;1426271383;danielpbarron;http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/sheevaplug/install.xml 1051968;1426271384;assbot;Gentoo Linux Documentation-- Gentoo on the Marvell SheevaPlug ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbvhRw ) 1051969;1426271424;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i spent quite a bit of time simply trying to get a vanilla linux kernel made with 'buildroot' (built for this very purpose - routers) to boot on pogo. 1051970;1426271427;asciilifeform;to no avail 1051971;1426271433;asciilifeform;someone else might have better luck 1051972;1426271445;asciilifeform;but that was originally how i ended up trying netbsd 1051973;1426271516;asciilifeform;('buildroot' builds cross compiler in the process of building, like netbsd does. it also builds minimal userlands with known contents suitable for read-only media. this is the part that is very tricky to achieve by hand) 1051974;1426271521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9663 @ 0.00032215 = 3.1129 BTC [-] 1051975;1426271673;mats;http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/n829bm/#5bd0cd7 1051976;1426271674;assbot;N829BM - Private - Aircraft info and flight history - Flightradar24 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebwmsz ) 1051977;1426271754;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what's the situation here, can't get an os for pogo ? 1051978;1426271764;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can, with effort 1051979;1426271791;asciilifeform;two leads: 1) port whatever's in netbsd to openbsd to get it going on pogo 1051980;1426271793;mircea_popescu;so the breakdown is that you know how and he doesn't an' you're not telling him ? 1051981;1426271814;asciilifeform;2) find out why buildroot's kernel doesn't run on pogo 1051982;1426271845;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, i think i made the handful of useful things i've discovered on the subject public on the listserv 1051983;1426271859;asciilifeform;if i mentioned something here that wasn't included - please wake me up 1051984;1426271859;davout;mats: nice! 1051985;1426271866;mircea_popescu;so then it's more like, "can't get an os for pogo, we like to believe it can be done nevertheless" ? 1051986;1426271880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im jus' trying to get where we're at. 1051987;1426271908;asciilifeform;i have a very impoverished (no nand yet) netbsd on mine 1051988;1426271926;asciilifeform;but BingoBoingo's discovery has somewhat ruined my appetite for netbsd.. 1051989;1426271946;davout;asciilifeform: what was that? 1051990;1426271963;asciilifeform;davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051876 1051991;1426271963;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 14:35:56; BingoBoingo: various gnomings http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/invented-by-openbsd 1051992;1426271968;davout;ty 1051993;1426271976;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if that's where it's at, danielpbarron has a point. gotta get it running, somehow. 1051994;1426272036;danielpbarron;technically i have two of them "running" -- albeit with very nasty "through the mud" shortcuts 1051995;1426272045;asciilifeform;if going to eat the meat regardless of from what animal - may as well run bitcoin on the stock linux that comes with that thing 1051996;1426272057;asciilifeform;it'll run... 1051997;1426272057;danielpbarron;one is half-way to being synced with the network 1051998;1426272075;mircea_popescu;well, not regardless of what animal, but unless someone shoots a unicorn it will not be unicorn meat. 1051999;1426272152;asciilifeform;in other news, i shipped the junk back to macrofab 1052000;1426272176;asciilifeform;they promised to measure their stock of R's, but so far heard nothing 1052001;1426272198;asciilifeform;i'm beginning to suspect that most of what's in the electronics stores now has these 'magical' components of essentially random values 1052002;1426272210;asciilifeform;for digital circuit, the consequences are not immediately apparent 1052003;1426272254;mircea_popescu;you may be on to something there. 1052004;1426272263;asciilifeform;i very much hope that i'm not 1052005;1426272266;mircea_popescu;may account for all those cases of the zombie device. 1052006;1426272273;asciilifeform;or that i'm on to something that isn't this 1052007;1426272281;mircea_popescu;(mystically breaks, sent for repairs, returns fixed, breaks again, etc) 1052008;1426272284;asciilifeform;because this is just Sad 1052009;1426272316;asciilifeform;and how on earth would it stay undiscovered until this 1052010;1426272329;mircea_popescu;jobsworth. 1052011;1426272341;asciilifeform;telling me that no one anywhere built an analogue whateverthefuck? 1052012;1426272345;asciilifeform;what of all the ham radio folks 1052013;1426272358;mircea_popescu;out of the millions of redditards generously employed to do tech support, millions are in "tech support stories" talking about how idiot customers are 1052014;1426272366;mircea_popescu;0 actually engage in hunting for bugs like this. 1052015;1426272382;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the ham radio folks use older gear maybe ? 1052016;1426272389;asciilifeform;they build new stuff 1052017;1426272398;mircea_popescu;maybe out of old stuff they have in garage ? 1052018;1426272399;asciilifeform;the software-defined-radio thing going for past few yrs, for example 1052019;1426272445;mircea_popescu;there's a definite age gap. kids born pre 1990 are more different from kids born after than slave owners from slaves in the deep south cca 1790 1052020;1426272449;asciilifeform;http://ad7zj.net/kd7lmo/ground_gnuradio.html << example 1052021;1426272450;assbot;KD7LMO - GNU Radio ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ebz6WY ) 1052022;1426272496;asciilifeform;incidentally, one more piece of data - i traced the empty board (included with the two populated units) - there were no mask defects 1052023;1426272501;asciilifeform;(these would turn up in all 3) 1052024;1426272510;mircea_popescu;well, one way to find out, of course, would be to get some new laptops/handhelds and measure their resistors. 1052025;1426272543;mircea_popescu;can be done easy enough and undestructively, just turn the machine off and pop its cover 1052026;1426272548;asciilifeform;if anyone owns a pair of 'hot tweezer' (soldering iron for removing smd parts) - go ahead 1052027;1426272557;asciilifeform;not everything is meaningfully measurable in-circuit 1052028;1426272557;mircea_popescu;do they even have to be removed ? 1052029;1426272562;mircea_popescu;resistors tho ? 1052030;1426272568;asciilifeform;because you cannot force the current of measurement to flow -only- through the resistor 1052031;1426272584;asciilifeform;i was able to do it for r6 and r16 in own box because knew how it was arranged 1052032;1426272590;mircea_popescu;yes hon, but you didn't get 207.5 parts for a 210 part 1052033;1426272594;mircea_popescu;you got 400k or some shit 1052034;1426272604;asciilifeform;i got ~200 for 470 1052035;1426272606;asciilifeform;(ohm) 1052036;1426272613;mircea_popescu;now that'd be measured in circuit 1052037;1426272616;asciilifeform;and hell knows what else for the parts that could not be measured 1052038;1426272634;asciilifeform;that one was measurable in-circuit due to the way it was connected. 1052039;1426272669;mircea_popescu;is there some way to connect a resistor in an unpowered, unshorted circuit so that i can't measure it without unmounting it ? 1052040;1426272669;asciilifeform;for example of a trivial case where they cannot: 1052041;1426272675;asciilifeform;wheatstone bridge 1052042;1426272679;*;mircea_popescu takes advantage of b-a to refresh his electronics knowledge :D 1052043;1426272706;asciilifeform;or i suppose not a plain wheatstone bridge, but one connected to something yet else 1052044;1426272727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait, isn't that HOW you measure resistence in the first place ? 1052045;1426272755;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in 1940s and prior - yes 1052046;1426272766;ben_vulpes;'s how i did it in 'skool'. 1052047;1426272773;*;mircea_popescu doesn't think this objection holds much water. 1052048;1426272856;mircea_popescu;but here's a graduating hs class to bridge us over. http://41.media.tumblr.com/892db9f0182fd2b0fc69986349321c7c/tumblr_n7gasyXpPM1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg 1052049;1426272856;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNsLXG ) 1052050;1426273009;ben_vulpes;what is the /context/ for that, man? 1052051;1426273061;mircea_popescu;you don't need context, it's an image. 1052052;1426273069;mircea_popescu;i recall reading here. 1052053;1426273168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00032653 = 13.8122 BTC [+] {2} 1052054;1426273168;mircea_popescu;!up ColinT 1052055;1426273331;mircea_popescu;hahaha it was just pointed out to me that if you google for pretty much anything to do with btc b-a is probably in the results, and if you click over to images there's definitely some b-a ladies in there. 1052056;1426273353;mircea_popescu;it's like boring boring b-a boring b-a b-a boring etc. 1052057;1426274147;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yxsdd/satoshi_on_scaling_the_current_system_where_every/ << lets see how this turns out (bookmarks under "popcorn required") 1052058;1426274244;mircea_popescu;it's kinda incredible to me that the entire intellectual production of the usg crowd is limited to merely rehashing points debunked within a week or two of the "controversy". 1052059;1426274299;mircea_popescu;incidentally, "bbs where every user runs his own nntp server" is a) a better implementation of irc, which is a better implementation of bbs, which is dead tech and b) exactly where gossipd is going. 1052060;1426274313;mircea_popescu;this is obviously a plain requisite for any government-proof system of anything. 1052061;1426274354;mircea_popescu;if you allow "server farms" you also allow the government the power toi know which necks to squeeze, which in practice readily devolves to shrem begging for ten bucks because http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ 1052062;1426274355;assbot;Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNwO6k ) 1052063;1426274440;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, danielpbarron or someone, mind tweeeting that link in response to say https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/576158948950171648 1052064;1426274442;assbot;So, I’m going to prison. http://t.co/yFWlxcj4JP /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash 1052065;1426274445;mircea_popescu;pour encourager les autres. 1052066;1426274600;thestringpuller;from: http://blog.cryptoconsortium.org/contributing-to-the-ccss/ "There are many ways in which you can help contribute to the CryptoCurrency Security Standard. While security experts have an obvious avenue for contributing, the standard also needs help from graphic designers, language translators, and proofreaders too, just to name a few." this is what permissionless innovation looks like in da infancy 1052067;1426274618;thestringpuller;it looks like begging 1052068;1426274618;mircea_popescu;!up shesek 1052069;1426274656;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller this isn't "permissionless innovation", this is "standardization without permission". 1052070;1426274680;mircea_popescu;when they're done doing that they can probably get back to riding their wooden horses or w/e nine year olds do when not monkeying the adults. 1052071;1426274683;thestringpuller;"The CCSS is an open standard, born out of the belief that security should not be the defining feature of your service." << Why?!?!? 1052072;1426274684;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's come to the point where i 'google xxxx' and get... own self having spoken of xxxx five minutes prior 1052073;1426274704;mircea_popescu;win. 1052074;1426274714;mircea_popescu;clearly, google thinks you're narcissistic :D 1052075;1426274719;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n 1052076;1426274723;mircea_popescu;lol 1052077;1426274757;danielpbarron;mind tweeeting that link << done 1052078;1426274766;*;asciilifeform had interesting email exchange with macrofab, where they showed photograph of their bobbin - labeled 'panasonic' - said they tested 50 random units; 1052079;1426274777;asciilifeform;described to them simple test of board. and they promised to try.. 1052080;1426274786;asciilifeform;one day these might come back sorta-working 1052081;1426274802;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: re "standardization without permission" << it looks like bastardization. who the fuck says, "Security should not be the defining feature of a service". Does this roughly translate to: "CSS everywhere." 1052082;1426274809;asciilifeform;probably looking rather scorched, as they'll have to desolder the shield frame 1052083;1426274849;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: no broken kneecaps yet? gotta bring them to an "understanding" 1052084;1426274865;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they tested random units came out the right value ? 1052085;1426274869;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: for the budget, i can't even afford to break self 1052086;1426274876;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so claimed, yes 1052087;1426274882;mircea_popescu;very odd neh ? 1052088;1426274924;kakobrekla;whats the problem, the inconsistency of resistors ? 1052089;1426274965;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: see log 1052090;1426274983;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bobbin.jpg << alleged bobbin 1052091;1426274985;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNyBZb ) 1052092;1426275006;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla apparently his thing got 400 instead of 200 ohm resistors, but funnily they carried the 200 markings 1052093;1426275014;asciilifeform;opposite 1052094;1426275019;asciilifeform;but yes 1052095;1426275024;asciilifeform;and unknown other problemos 1052096;1426275044;asciilifeform;they also confessed that 8.2k were mounted instead of 10k 1052097;1426275049;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wow, 5% tolerances ? 1052098;1426275050;asciilifeform;(which was not readily measurable in-circuit) 1052099;1426275065;asciilifeform;5% is adequate for this device 1052100;1426275079;mircea_popescu;sure, but is it adequate for tianjin co ? 1052101;1426275083;asciilifeform;probably not. 1052102;1426275120;mircea_popescu;weird. "for your convenience, we have packed five half-resistence resistors separately, to bring the average to a 5% tolerance as you required" 1052103;1426275124;mircea_popescu;then they put those in your thing. 1052104;1426275127;mircea_popescu;problem solved. 1052105;1426275127;asciilifeform;aha. 1052106;1426275146;asciilifeform;and funnily enough, they weren't random all-over-the-place 1052107;1426275153;asciilifeform;they were about half. 1052108;1426275171;mircea_popescu;there's like 1k 470 ohm bits exactly, and then 10 items at 230, which make it be +-5% over the batch 1052109;1426275181;kakobrekla;so the 1% ones should be +- 10% 1052110;1426275207;asciilifeform;the 'cleanliness' of the wrong value suggests traditional chinese gnomery 1052111;1426275225;asciilifeform;where they go 'we have two tonnes of Y and only half a tonne of X, let's relabel some Y as X' 1052112;1426275269;mircea_popescu;o.O 1052113;1426275282;mircea_popescu;they still do this ? i thought it was mostly a great leap forward into a brick wall phenoimenon 1052114;1426275289;asciilifeform;!s melamine 1052115;1426275290;assbot;1 results for 'melamine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=melamine 1052116;1426276592;ben_vulpes;mod6: aha i see patches! 1052117;1426276889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00032628 = 22.2197 BTC [-] {2} 1052118;1426278109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00032698 = 6.5233 BTC [+] 1052119;1426278134;thestringpuller;https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1867.txt << this paper annoys me 1052120;1426278188;davout;thestringpuller: wai 1052121;1426278759;thestringpuller;cuz there literally is no examples of how to implement the standard for binary 1052122;1426278924;davout;thestringpuller: i'd use firefox to upload some small binary to http://requestb.in 1052123;1426278925;assbot;RequestBin — Collect, inspect and debug HTTP requests and webhooks ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNIXbt ) 1052124;1426278933;davout;so you can make your own example 1052125;1426278951;davout;make form, use requestbin as action, *poof* 1052126;1426279281;thestringpuller;davout: this is pretty useful 1052127;1426279292;thestringpuller;looks like I need to set headers to base64 and i should be good 1052128;1426279315;davout;requestbin is neat 1052129;1426279333;davout;"aux bons ouvriers les bons outils" 1052130;1426279386;thestringpuller;That's a good phrase. 1052131;1426279430;davout;yup 1052132;1426279437;thestringpuller;Je travaille dur! 1052133;1426279450;davout;:D 1052134;1426279489;thestringpuller;I was trying to get wireshark to work, but it wants x11 and doesn't seem to work with quartz without poking at it. 1052135;1426279497;thestringpuller;but don't think I need it 1052136;1426280061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00032215 = 1.2564 BTC [-] 1052137;1426280080;mod6;awe fsck 1052138;1426280112;mod6;jurov: are you here? 1052139;1426280200;mod6;can you delete these duplicates? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000064.html & http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000065.html ? 1052140;1426280200;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AleRop ) 1052141;1426280201;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AleUk0 ) 1052142;1426280255;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051612 << how the fuck does one destroy gold ? 1052143;1426280255;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 12:33:18; cazalla: b) some random cunt is talking about launching an altcoin whereby he "destroys an oz of gold on webcam" as proof of burn for creation of his altcoin 1052144;1426280270;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051614 << lol, wut ? 1052145;1426280270;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 12:34:36; cazalla: worse, TaT masquerades as bitcoinassets on it and is a mod to boot 1052146;1426280319;asciilifeform;wat ?! 1052147;1426280417;cazalla;i guess he forked #b-a or osmething 1052148;1426280420;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1052142 < like so: http://imgur.com/Dmby18r 1052149;1426280420;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 20:57:35; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051612 << how the fuck does one destroy gold ? 1052150;1426280421;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlggLA ) 1052151;1426280450;mircea_popescu;cazalla can you be specific tho ? 1052152;1426280455;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard nom! 1052153;1426280491;mircea_popescu;"The Bitcoin protocol, when implemented correctly, has a degree of sybil resistance when it comes to partitioning and double-spend risk as an attacker must get _all_ your connections for those attacks, but this kind of activity can really violate user privacy since privacy attacks don't need to get all your connections; especially for SPV nodes which liberally broadcast their wallet addresses to nodes that they're usin 1052154;1426280491;mircea_popescu;g as servers." 1052155;1426280493;cazalla;mircea_popescu, it's just his username i am referring to 1052156;1426280497;mircea_popescu;heh. gmaxwell actually says this much. 1052157;1426280503;mircea_popescu;"spv wallets - horribru for your privacy." 1052158;1426280509;cazalla;but still, that'd be like me coming here under the name whaleclub 1052159;1426280515;mircea_popescu;cazalla well whatever, he prolly got the username way back. 1052160;1426280516;asciilifeform;wtf is 'whaleclub' 1052161;1426280555;asciilifeform;sybiltron << not only that one. there are others, that've been running for a good long time. 1052162;1426280557;asciilifeform;!s noblis 1052163;1426280558;assbot;5 results for 'noblis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=noblis 1052164;1426280569;davout;mircea_popescu: "how the fuck does one destroy gold ?" <<< aqua regia down the toilet 1052165;1426280623;mircea_popescu;davout except now you'll have to add a proof of toilet. 1052166;1426280635;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ayup. 1052167;1426280639;asciilifeform;there was an ancient thread concerning sinking things in the sea, etc 1052168;1426280647;mircea_popescu;just nothing the power rangers ever felt like discussing, prior. 1052169;1426280656;davout;mircea_popescu: you actually need proof it was gold in the first place anyway 1052170;1426280672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: read, if you have the stomach, the tardsthread. overall angle seems to be 'use tor now111!!!11!!' 1052171;1426280715;mircea_popescu;"Chainalysis achieves this by doing sophisticated in-depth real-time transaction analysis to determine unique entities within the blockchain. Michael Grønager Chief Executive Officer Jan Møller Chief Technology Officer Jens Hilligsøe DevOps Engineer Kresten Krab Throup Consulting Architect Jørn Larsen Business Advisor" 1052172;1426280718;mircea_popescu;for later. 1052173;1426280730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform obviously. 1052174;1426280752;davout;they think they're better than everyone with their fancy "o"s 1052175;1426280873;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051627 << nuttin wrong with the man cave. 1052176;1426280873;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 12:49:43; cazalla: you guys criticise the mancave but seriously, when the missus and the kid push you out of the masterbedroom due to lack of sleep and then push you out the kids room which was turned into makeshift computer room but needs it back because apparently a pig pen isn't big enough for him now, you might appreciate the man cave aka cold ass garage 1052177;1426280902;mircea_popescu;what's wrong is the idea that dependents can push one around in one's own castle. 1052178;1426280912;cazalla;mircea_popescu, cmon, i was drunk and rambling, lets please ignore all that shit from last night lol 1052179;1426280914;mircea_popescu;but obviously this doesn't automatically apply to everyone's living arrangements 1052180;1426280917;mircea_popescu;lol k 1052181;1426280933;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-huge-language-issue/ 1052182;1426280934;mod6;ben_vulpes: ok good deal! i'm about to post the lastest version of the perl build script too -- which should pull v0.0.2 of the static-makefile patch. 1052183;1426280980;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051634 << try the pogo version ? 1052184;1426280980;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 12:53:40; cazalla: and i am stuck using fucking electrum since then because for some reason, since bitcoin-qt 0.10.0 came out, my old 0.8.3, 0.8.6 throws errors and i can't fully sync and even lame attempt to try 0.10.0 falls flat.. i think maybe memory is fucked though unrelated, memtest86 throws a bunch of errors 1052185;1426281035;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051650 << ahahahaha. 1052186;1426281035;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 12:56:57; cazalla: the big mistake i made was getting a woman pregnant prior to living with her.. things were all fine and dandy while i had my own place and could fuck her and send her home after the fact 1052187;1426281043;mircea_popescu;said.... everyone ever ? 1052188;1426281060;cazalla;mircea_popescu, they don't sell them locally, i am hopeful i can buy a plug it in and away it goes pogo from here once that is sorted 1052189;1426281063;asciilifeform;where i live, many folks actually use their day jobs as 'man cave' 1052190;1426281076;davout;asciilifeform: that's kind of the point of a day job 1052191;1426281079;davout;:D 1052192;1426281086;asciilifeform;davout: i though the point was to starve more slowly 1052193;1426281089;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051657 << note that mp either. 1052194;1426281089;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 12:59:12; gabriel_laddel: Note that I dont necessarily endorse MP's viewpoint but it is rather well developed. 1052195;1426281117;mircea_popescu;cazalla if you ask danielpbarron nicely he might ship you one. 1052196;1426281149;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody works for money in the west. 1052197;1426281163;asciilifeform;wai wat 1052198;1426281175;*;asciilifeform works for [what passes for] money 1052199;1426281209;asciilifeform;at least it spends a brief moment, like decaying subatomic particle, as 'money' 1052200;1426281222;asciilifeform;producing 'decay daughters' food, rent... 1052201;1426281234;mircea_popescu;http://jesuschristsiliconvalley.tumblr.com/post/46537875392/what-your-profile-picture-says-about-you-hint <<< i don't really get the femmeflame. 1052202;1426281236;assbot;Jesus Christ, Silicon Valley | What Your Profile Picture Says About You (Hint:... ... ( http://bit.ly/1Alj6QP ) 1052203;1426281236;asciilifeform;perhaps this ^ is what mircea_popescu meant 1052204;1426281268;mircea_popescu;some profile pics, let it go. not everyone's as socially awkward / sexually repressed as you, to use their feet in etsy shoes / anon ducklings as an avatar. 1052205;1426281295;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and if tomorrow they swtiched to company scrip, you'd work for that. 1052206;1426281308;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean 1052207;1426281310;asciilifeform;how different would it look from usd 1052208;1426281312;mircea_popescu;get in the wot, you. 1052209;1426281316;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform triangular. 1052210;1426281323;asciilifeform;other than that - quite similar! 1052211;1426281424;asciilifeform;scrip >> obligatory >> 'You load sixteen tons, what do you get? / Another day older and deeper in debt / Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go / I owe my soul to the company store.' 1052212;1426281524;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051686 << lmao. 1052213;1426281524;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:06:41; gabriel_laddel: Everywhere. 1052214;1426281533;saifedean;hey mp, to get back to your question about lebanon, here's what's interesting about it, beyond the hard money and best food in the world and great wine and beautiful people... less than an hour drive between beautiful sandy Mediterranean beaches and gorgeous ski resorts... it's the Alps on the Riviera 1052215;1426281548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know enrico caruso, right ? 1052216;1426281565;asciilifeform;the opera guy ? 1052217;1426281567;asciilifeform;or some other 1052218;1426281568;mircea_popescu;saifedean cool! 1052219;1426281571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the one. 1052220;1426281576;asciilifeform;sure 1052221;1426281578;saifedean;this weekend, for instance, people have to decide whether they want to ski, swim, or do both... i tell you lebanon is stressful 1052222;1426281578;asciilifeform;why ? 1052223;1426281581;mircea_popescu;now obviously our usian friends wouldn 1052224;1426281596;mircea_popescu;t know, as aptly butch has observed : their names don't mean anything. 1052225;1426281604;mircea_popescu;however, enrico was italian. any idea what caruso means ? 1052226;1426281675;asciilifeform;? 1052227;1426281735;mircea_popescu;carusu is the sicilian word for boy. it derives off latin carens (missing) as in, inexperienced. 1052228;1426281752;mircea_popescu;the word is infamous because it denotes the boys working the sulphur mines pre ww1 1052229;1426281781;mircea_popescu;now THAT is a story of "sixteen tons and what do you get". you get to be four foot tall and with adaptive modifications of the spine. 1052230;1426281805;asciilifeform;they had these in britain also, aha 1052231;1426281835;mircea_popescu;"Il Fumo" (pirandello), pretty good. 1052232;1426281887;mircea_popescu;and re latest trilema article : someone check the html of a page, whadda ya think ? 1052233;1426281957;mod6;ben_vulpes: here's v0091 of the patching script: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000066.html 1052234;1426281958;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AllAyI ) 1052235;1426282024;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051689 << amusingly enough, they ~are~. 1052236;1426282024;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:08:35; gabriel_laddel: What I find so lulzy about the whole situation is that if you take the supposed Zionist lit and the /pol/ people 100% seriously it basically reduces to "jews think that others are cattle" 1052237;1426282122;mircea_popescu;what really burns them is the football team issue. they don't wish to not be cattle per se. they're just pissed that they were "come to expect" that THEY were the chosen people on account of, why the fuck not eh. and whenever it doesn't work as they "came to expect", it is clearly the case that really it works, but for someone else, so... whoddunit ?!?! (not them!) 1052238;1426282165;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051690 << i have my doubts about that. you gotta do shit here. 1052239;1426282165;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:08:37; cazalla: anyway, one might argue, and i did try, that /pol/ is a short stop otw to #b-a 1052240;1426282191;asciilifeform;wtf is /pol/ 1052241;1426282195;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051692 << o noes, look what letting Adlai in has wrought! 1052242;1426282195;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:09:09; cazalla: and i promoted it to /pol/ but i was shut down and accused of being jidf so 1052243;1426282205;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform either reddit or 4chan or some other social media thing, politicas. 1052244;1426282277;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051698 << romania is very ethnically homogenous, and they think the same about the gypsyes. it's patently untrue, but then again they're not thinking it because it'd be true. 1052245;1426282277;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:10:52; cazalla: still, i can't help but feel affection for a homogeneous society like japan.. fucking mudslimes and other ethnics have destroyed australia within a generation 1052246;1426282308;cazalla;c'mon i was rambling after a bottle of wine, i don't want to be reminded of last night! 1052247;1426282330;trinque;ahaha, logs, the curse of the evening drinker 1052248;1426282368;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051719 << that it may be, but you don't seriously intend to tell me the criteria actually is "because we got here yesterday rather than today, and the internationall cattle demarcation line happened this morning" 1052249;1426282368;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:15:53; gabriel_laddel: the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK. 1052250;1426282389;mircea_popescu;poor cazalla lol 1052251;1426282410;davout;cazalla: nobody'll judge you for being a racist alcoholic 1052252;1426282423;davout;:D 1052253;1426282453;*;asciilifeform read mircea_popescu's newest article, with quoted thread; recalls earlier 'counter-economic spacetime anomaly' discussion also 1052254;1426282461;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051721 << any planet of hats is doomed to failure. whatever the hat may be, hedonism no exception. 1052255;1426282461;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:16:03; nubbins`: and we all know that a society of hedonists is a good society indeed 1052256;1426282469;cazalla;davout, hah i know that, but anything i say here while drunk is really just recurring garbage from the last time i was drinking and chatting 1052257;1426282490;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check out the html declaration :D 1052258;1426282528;mircea_popescu;davout i don't think he's even racist per se, not enough development of some sort of pseudogeneticist crackpottery. he's just angry in a diffuse sense. 1052259;1426282596;davout;you're such an html rebel 1052260;1426282600;mircea_popescu;lol "bitcoin university". best thing that ever happened to any diploma mill : when the webmaster stumbled on tardstalk/redditards den and added "bitcoin" to the name 1052261;1426282607;mircea_popescu;davout i'm also five. 1052262;1426282613;NewLiberty;asciilifeform: Whaleclub is a bunch of non-whales trying to be mini whales by 24hour chatting their trades. 1052263;1426282639;mircea_popescu;NewLiberty you know i'm half tempted to send some girls to talk at them in that breathy voice . 1052264;1426282673;asciilifeform;header << mega-l0l! 1052265;1426282703;NewLiberty;https://www.whaleclub.co/live 1052266;1426282708;asciilifeform;mini-whales! 1052267;1426282714;asciilifeform;where are the mini-elephants ? 1052268;1426282716;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051731 << i thought that was some sort of "awareness raising" anti rape / anti hiv / pro africa or somesuch. 1052269;1426282716;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:17:31; gabriel_laddel: or VDARE. 1052270;1426282719;mircea_popescu;can't remember which 1052271;1426282728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think i ate one. 1052272;1426282755;mircea_popescu;http://www.dare.org/ n, 1052273;1426282757;assbot;D.A.R.E. America - Empowering Children to Lead Safe and Healthy Lives ... ( http://bit.ly/1AloXFM ) 1052274;1426282780;asciilifeform;^ a true mega-l0l. this was a required 'course' in the school i went to 1052275;1426282782;asciilifeform;in '90s 1052276;1426282799;asciilifeform;there was actually a policeman guest lecturer, with briefcase of dope 1052277;1426282812;asciilifeform;to make sure everyone can recognize the correct dope when his time comes, i suppose 1052278;1426282829;mircea_popescu;i bet you he had ground sugar. 1052279;1426282865;NewLiberty;The misinformation from d.a.r.e. probably led to more usage overall 1052280;1426282888;trinque;NewLiberty: great way to make sure kids are aware that there are drugs 1052281;1426282921;NewLiberty;yes, though they tended to call everything "narcotics" 1052282;1426282927;davout;inadvertenly teaching them how to tell good from bad product apart 1052283;1426282929;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051735 << no. because it offers a clear avenue of action. this is important. sane people realise shit's broken and want to do something to fix it. RIGHTNOW. any solution that provides them something to do will beat out of the field any solution that does not. 1052284;1426282929;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:18:07; nubbins`: because it lets you ignore yourself as the cause of all your problems? 1052285;1426282991;mircea_popescu;obviously a solution that encourages them to do shit on their own is even better, but generally "solutioners" are do-ocracists in the modlbug sense : they're chiefly tryting to build themselves a "4chan is not your army" army. 1052286;1426283044;mircea_popescu;or i guess that harry potter fanfic writer guy w/e his name was is a better example of the principle, alf dictis. 1052287;1426283085;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051752 << importantly, i did not round them up. that was the extand "party" 1052288;1426283085;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:21:17; nubbins`: gabriel_laddel did you see the picture of the kids he rounded up for the "political party"? 1052289;1426283103;mircea_popescu;they had selected themselves over many years of revolutionary struggle. 1052290;1426283107;mircea_popescu;!up kuzetsa 1052291;1426283165;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051771 << dude, i cook. 1052292;1426283165;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:28:08; nubbins`: BUT THAT'S WOMEN'S WORK CAZALLA 1052293;1426283208;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051792 << that i agree. 1052294;1426283208;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:32:53; jurov: teach him latin :D 1052295;1426283223;mircea_popescu;works better if you know latin in the first place, and i don't really know that many english speakers that do. 1052296;1426283231;trinque;mircea_popescu: same shit in the US among the liber/paultards 1052297;1426283242;trinque;doing is now making noise and nothing ever actually comes of any political gorup 1052298;1426283243;mircea_popescu;which part trinque ? 1052299;1426283245;trinque;*group 1052300;1426283248;mircea_popescu;ah. myeah. 1052301;1426283265;trinque;when I was about 17-21 I was deep in paultardation 1052302;1426283265;mircea_popescu;well, it was instructive for me, and considering how little shit costs these days, i call it cheap enough. 1052303;1426283293;trinque;only things that ever happened were talks, conferences, bullshit sign holding, etc 1052304;1426283318;NewLiberty;What the whaleclub do not realize is that whales are not daytraders, not even mini-whales. 1052305;1426283318;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051794 << no you're not. find a key to trust, trust that, you're just what "good people persons" always were : someone's cleric. 1052306;1426283318;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:33:13; gabriel_laddel: you're fucked. 1052307;1426283336;mircea_popescu;NewLiberty you know that ballas bit on the daytrader ? 1052308;1426283363;NewLiberty;I don't think so, no. 1052309;1426283441;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ 1052310;1426283441;assbot;The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Alrgsw ) 1052311;1426283449;mircea_popescu;original linked from there. 1052312;1426283485;NewLiberty;...reading 1052313;1426283517;trinque;mircea_popescu: hm that is precisely the American idea of "made it" 1052314;1426283528;mircea_popescu;right 1052315;1426283529;mircea_popescu;!up mrting 1052316;1426283541;trinque;it's not working for a decade and building an empire; no no, it's "got it all, like it was nothing" 1052317;1426283564;trinque;21 year old CEO, company valuation of 30 bil 1052318;1426283573;trinque;heh we're fucking children 1052319;1426283619;mircea_popescu;the italian (which is, by the way, the paradigm of the failed state, and whose history the us is quite bound to repeat) term is sprezzatura 1052320;1426283636;mircea_popescu;known since before isabella expelled the jews from spain in 1492, causing them to invent america. 1052321;1426283650;mircea_popescu;(retroactively, the spring of same year) 1052322;1426283880;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051809 << monolinguism is a purely ridiculous intellectual strategy. there's nothing wrong with speaking italian to women and german to horses, charles did it. 1052323;1426283880;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:35:44; gabriel_laddel: my point is that chinese as is must go away if they want to work with computers 1052324;1426284003;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051816 << while much of human thought is in fact captured in language (and i'm too lazy to hunt for the "language is really a shared preprocessor to crutch the supid" threads), nevertheless that is strictly bad schooling. it has nothing to do with the kid, or his language, it'll wash out of him within a coupla years. 1052325;1426284003;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:39:12; gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: the language doesn't help. For example, a chinese mathematics undergrad from Peking U. I know thought that using a computer algebra system to do mathematics was "cheating". Person in question had no notion of "playing with mathematics". This is more of a cultural thing, but much of human thought is captured in language. 1052326;1426284020;mircea_popescu;i saw romanian idiots stuck on the same thing. 1052327;1426284053;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051817 << and how do you plan to find this ? 1052328;1426284053;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:39:35; cazalla: so what is the opinion of the erudites here regaring what polgar did with his daughters? that has sorta been my goal with my son, find one thing for him and push him hard in that direction 1052329;1426284149;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051840 << who the fuck thought that ?! 1052330;1426284149;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:51:02; nubbins`: tl;dr schizophrenia isn't as romantic as you think 1052331;1426284178;cazalla;mircea_popescu, by observing what he gravitates towards and encouraging it 1052332;1426284203;mircea_popescu;this is substantially different from the original quote tho. 1052333;1426284208;mircea_popescu;yes, good idea to encourage kids. 1052334;1426284219;cazalla;or at least providing an opportunity for him to intereact with things that my own parents couldn't afford or bother with in regards to me 1052335;1426284248;mircea_popescu;more important to humiliate them, in the limited sense of "here's what i am, and what i do, which you are not and do not because you currently suck. here's how you de-suck" 1052336;1426284248;cazalla;yeah well, i was drunk so :) 1052337;1426284730;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051872 << well... maybe it solves the problem for them so that they have to do no work and can just cash the checks for it magically working. 1052338;1426284730;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 14:26:18; jurov: they failed to make _anything_ secure. butbut "blockchain technology!!!1" 1052339;1426284733;mircea_popescu;that's how bitcoin works, right ? 1052340;1426284786;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgflip.com/is9v9.jpg << ahahaha so very much this. 1052341;1426284787;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNX1lc ) 1052342;1426284880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28584 @ 0.0003272 = 9.3527 BTC [+] {3} 1052343;1426284938;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051899 << nothing wrong with them spending a good chunk of the day like that, tho. 1052344;1426284938;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 16:27:54; ben_vulpes: "yes it's entirely a good idea to lock everyone from ages 8-18 up with each other and nobody else, that won't promptly lead to all sorts of pathologies." 1052345;1426284941;mircea_popescu;8 to 10 hours maybe. 1052346;1426285002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.0003286 = 8.0507 BTC [+] {2} 1052347;1426285007;danielpbarron;You are blocked from following @Radomysisky and viewing @Radomysisky's Tweets. Learn more << lolol 2 in one day 1052348;1426285037;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051934 << ahaha 1052349;1426285037;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 17:04:39; danielpbarron: i am chatting from debian-on-a-pogo -- it's very nice, and if anyone wants such a machine I highly recommend it 1052350;1426285049;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what did you do to this one. 1052351;1426285066;danielpbarron;http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html << these instructions 1052352;1426285068;assbot;Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Alx70K ) 1052353;1426285106;danielpbarron;using SD card 1052354;1426285119;danielpbarron;i duplicated the results on the cheaper model as well 1052355;1426285127;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051947 << say wut ? srsly ? 1052356;1426285127;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 17:39:08; danielpbarron: (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. Because of this, take care NOT to get the distribution from an FTP server in the US if you are outside of Canada and the US.) 1052357;1426285144;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares what the usg says, even. 1052358;1426285171;danielpbarron;yeah and it's also against the law for me to take my OpenBSD cd set out of the country; the crypto is too strong or something 1052359;1426285194;danielpbarron;and come to think of it, bingo's laptop might also now be illegal to export 1052360;1426285219;mircea_popescu;heh. 1052361;1426285242;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/ec311024e2b87ee830afc0fc594e6336/tumblr_njaoogkKpj1sr1f5fo1_1280.jpg << we are this amused. 1052362;1426285243;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNXPGG ) 1052363;1426285836;davout;danielpbarron: the ban on crypto export is still a thing? 1052364;1426285885;danielpbarron;i don't see how it could possibly be enforced in a meaningful way, except to hassle people who are on the badlist 1052365;1426285908;davout;i thought is was dropped altogether a while ago 1052366;1426285921;davout;http://imgur.com/c0A38AW <<< bwhahaha 1052367;1426285922;assbot; A little bio lab humor - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlzYXx ) 1052368;1426285932;danielpbarron;oh idk, i copy pasted that from an OpenBSD README file 1052369;1426286039;davout;wikipedia sez most regulations were dropped, but not all 1052370;1426286710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00032939 = 14.0979 BTC [+] {2} 1052371;1426288041;BingoBoingo; and come to think of it, bingo's laptop might also now be illegal to export << So long as Open Source perfectly reasonable to export. 1052372;1426288064;BingoBoingo;In my limited understanding of these matters. 1052373;1426288479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00032973 = 12.4638 BTC [+] 1052374;1426288791;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i am chatting from debian-on-a-pogo... << if danielpbarron (or anyone else) has -built- a linux kernel of whatever description, in such a way that it runs on pogo - please wake me up & show. 1052375;1426288816;asciilifeform;all of the work i'm aware of so far uses the same 2 or 3 binary turds 1052376;1426288849;asciilifeform;presently the only package of -source- i've succeeded in building into a kernel that can be used on pogo - was netbsd. 1052377;1426288933;asciilifeform;(my original vision for the 'pogo' experiment wasn't simply to have a cheapo linux box that runs bitcoind, but to have a box where there are only a few MB of weight -total- -- thus making audit into something like a realistic possibility) 1052378;1426288967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0003261 = 6.5872 BTC [-] 1052379;1426288979;asciilifeform;and at the risk of repeating myself, i'll say why it must boot and run from eeprom 1052380;1426288997;asciilifeform;1) initialize a new disk without having to use a computer and involving the rotten pc ecosystem in any way 1052381;1426289036;asciilifeform;2) -and this is the important one- -- imho these need to eventually run from rom. actual rom. or at least eeprom with the write-enable leg snipped & grounded. 1052382;1426289120;asciilifeform;sd card, incidentally, offers no proper means of write protection 1052383;1426289133;asciilifeform;(the lever found on many such cards is not electrically connected to the internal flash!) 1052384;1426289154;asciilifeform;it is a 'polite suggestion' for the system, only. 1052385;1426289159;asciilifeform;why it is built like this, ask hitler not me 1052386;1426289919;davout;asciilifeform: wasn't that the exact same for floppies? 1052387;1426290060;BingoBoingo;davout: Floppies though are purely passive. You need to bring a drive to the disk. SD incorporates the drive. 1052388;1426290094;asciilifeform;davout: yes 1052389;1426290107;asciilifeform;davout: though iirc pc drives would normally respect in hardware 1052390;1426290616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42189 @ 0.00032556 = 13.7351 BTC [-] {2} 1052391;1426290891;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure, but "eventually". 1052392;1426291042;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 80 @ 0.01449999 = 1.16 BTC [+] {2} 1052393;1426291628;mircea_popescu;!up Asenath 1052394;1426292994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103000 @ 0.00032215 = 33.1815 BTC [-] 1052395;1426293201;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/silk-road-moderator-pleads-guilty-faces-life-imprisonment/ 1052396;1426293359;trinque;how the fuck is anything to do with drugs "life in prison" 1052397;1426293381;asciilifeform;trinque: it was never about the dope per se 1052398;1426293402;trinque;asciilifeform: rather, the successful bitcoin business? 1052399;1426293411;asciilifeform;even prior to bitcoin 1052400;1426293436;asciilifeform;it's about 'imperio in imperium' 1052401;1426293459;cazalla;trinque, i changed it to could face, my bad 1052402;1426293471;trinque;cazalla: well even so 1052403;1426293478;cazalla;i'm sure they'll want to make an example though 1052404;1426293485;trinque;killers routinely get what, 15-20? 1052405;1426293590;trinque;we must be 10 years off from televising torture for public entertainment, if that 1052406;1426293676;trinque;maybe it's a calculated targeting of such and so, but I think the mindless bloodlust of american culture also plays a part 1052407;1426293724;trinque;*especially* when the target is involved in some kind of techno-nerd shit. take him down! he thinks he's better than us! 1052408;1426293739;asciilifeform;trinque: 'full spectrum dominance' 1052409;1426293755;trinque;spot on 1052410;1426293783;asciilifeform;and megalomaniacal 'gott mit uns' items like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Nrol-39.jpg 1052411;1426293787;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwGGb ) 1052412;1426293814;trinque;asciilifeform: heh, always makes me laugh to consider what the mouth is resting on 1052413;1426293815;asciilifeform;http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/NROL-39-rocket-with-logo-650x427.jpg 1052414;1426293817;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwLcT ) 1052415;1426293821;trinque;arse too if I recall octopus anatomy 1052416;1426293853;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/dBtkHzl.jpg << moar 1052417;1426293855;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwS8f ) 1052418;1426293869;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/VWy1bgE.jpg << yet moar 1052419;1426293870;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwQNy ) 1052420;1426293882;cazalla;once he's locked up, perhaps i'll write him a letter asking why he didn't fight extradition 1052421;1426293909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71910 @ 0.00033024 = 23.7476 BTC [+] {2} 1052422;1426293912;cazalla;if i had to guess, he was likely told they'd take it easy on him and public defender told him to go with it 1052423;1426293923;asciilifeform;cazalla: also not proven fact that he didn't 1052424;1426293929;trinque;asciilifeform: lol @ anubis' missile-cock 1052425;1426293938;asciilifeform;usg must be assumed to lie unless there is actual reason to suspect it may have told the truth 1052426;1426293970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16990 @ 0.00033073 = 5.6191 BTC [+] 1052427;1426294010;cazalla;of course, but he was arrested december 2013, waived rights march 2014 and shipped off in november 2014, didn't take long 1052428;1426294031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00032296 = 24.8356 BTC [-] 1052429;1426294036;trinque;cazalla: could just be one of those self-defeating types that gets into such things due to psychological issues 1052430;1426294047;trinque;then one day the govt shows up at his door and he pisses himself 1052431;1426294079;cazalla;even the aussie guy from drink or die fought off his extradition for 4-5 years 1052432;1426295354;mircea_popescu;!up ohhahh 1052433;1426295375;mircea_popescu; it's about 'imperio in imperium' << quite. 1052434;1426295427;mircea_popescu;lol at that octopus thing 1052435;1426295495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92200 @ 0.00033222 = 30.6307 BTC [+] {2} 1052436;1426295500;mircea_popescu;trinque actually likely has it. 1052437;1426295586;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-03-2015#1051552 << J. Smith vision is 'Earth will be transformed into a sea of glass populated by those who deserve the glory of god', no rocket needed 1052438;1426295587;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 06:37:11; asciilifeform: was j. smith's version, iirc 1052439;1426296399;asciilifeform;https://youtu.be/xeb3ZLb-wJ4 << linguistic/historical interest only. didn't know there was an engl. transl. of this. even a pretty bad one. 1052440;1426296402;assbot;Ðа поле танки грохотали (English Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DhXcUB ) 1052441;1426296438;danielpbarron;!up AlexWkz 1052442;1426296837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91700 @ 0.00033054 = 30.3105 BTC [-] 1052443;1426297591;mircea_popescu;PeterL what, like goldfish ? 1052444;1426297606;PeterL;sure, I guess that works 1052445;1426297996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00033342 = 11.9698 BTC [+] {2} 1052446;1426298301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58788 @ 0.00033452 = 19.6658 BTC [+] 1052447;1426298540;asciilifeform;'PS [nsa police] is the only police and security organization in Maryland equipped with vehicle-mounted thermal imaging devices.' -- nsa newsletter circa 1999, pp. 10. ( http://cryptome.org/2015/03/nsa-newsletters-1999.pdf ) 1052448;1426298893;asciilifeform;mega-lol re: 'whaleclub', which apparently requires proprietary turdware to connect to! 1052449;1426298911;asciilifeform;'teamspeak' - something kinda like 'skype' 1052450;1426298920;asciilifeform;will the lulz never end? 1052451;1426298994;mike_c;they aren't pretending to be bigshots, it's just a bunch of TA's derping around 1052452;1426299002;mike_c;(technical analysts) 1052453;1426299016;asciilifeform;regardless of who or why 1052454;1426299026;asciilifeform;the proprietary chat client thing is hilarious 1052455;1426299032;asciilifeform;i mean, wtf ?! 1052456;1426299034;mike_c;how else to do it? 1052457;1426299038;mike_c;it's voice chat 1052458;1426299047;asciilifeform;why is voice chat even a thing 1052459;1426299064;mike_c;gaming. for them, idk. 1052460;1426299094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00033823 = 26.2128 BTC [+] {2} 1052461;1426299246;cazalla;surprised they're using it tbh, mumble is far more popular in recent years 1052462;1426299291;decimation;mumble is open source 1052463;1426299306;decimation;asciilifeform: for online gamers voice chat is popular for obvious reasons 1052464;1426299317;asciilifeform;but that isn't what they're doing 1052465;1426299324;cazalla;asciilifeform, even if Ts wasn't proprietary, it'd be pointless to download as you can't just connect and chat with them 1052466;1426299359;cazalla;which is what i was gonna do last night ya know, bit of a chit chat, bit of a yarn but nope, gotta wait in some other room to be screened 1052467;1426299385;decimation;lol they have some kind of moderator in the 'screen room'? 1052468;1426299400;cazalla;didn't hang around to find out 1052469;1426299542;cazalla;on one hand i get it, ya don't want random drunks coming in carrying on while you're having a conversation, but they are easily muted 1052470;1426299549;decimation;asciilifeform: supposedly panasonic has a good reputation in the passives market 1052471;1426299572;asciilifeform;decimation: betcha it wasn't always a 'made in china' affair 1052472;1426299584;asciilifeform;(clearly printed on the bobbin, note, are these words) 1052473;1426299800;cazalla;;;later tell xanthyos if you ever manage to break your cock again, i read you can now get a replacement in south africa http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31876219 1052474;1426299800;assbot;BBC News - South Africans perform first 'successful' penis transplant ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOoJOL ) 1052475;1426299800;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1052476;1426299874;decimation;the japanese are famous for highly specialized component manufacturing 1052477;1426299889;asciilifeform;not only 1052478;1426299903;asciilifeform;to this day the only genuinely reliable electrolytic capacitors are, afaik, from jp 1052479;1426299921;asciilifeform;and folks have a devil of a time chasing down specifically these, and not identically-marked cn turds 1052480;1426299939;decimation;yeah, and companies like murata that have a corner on ceramic filters, etc 1052481;1426300076;mircea_popescu;!up tooty|atk 1052482;1426300083;mircea_popescu;!up nomen 1052483;1426300117;mircea_popescu; i mean, wtf ?! << it's widely used by gamers. 1052484;1426300130;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah but 'traders'? 1052485;1426300156;mircea_popescu;decimation actually traders use a very similar thing to replace phones 1052486;1426300187;mircea_popescu;equally proprietary, at least. 1052487;1426300351;mircea_popescu;re: electronic bits. funny what's left once a major empire collapses. japan used to own the electronics trade. and they still do, except... it's mostly moved away from the stuff they make. 1052488;1426300468;decimation;yeah much japanese manufacturing has moved to china 1052489;1426300532;decimation;http://io9.com/kim-stanley-robinson-says-colonizing-mars-wont-be-as-ea-1691315529 < no shit 1052490;1426300533;assbot;Kim Stanley Robinson Says Colonizing Mars Won't Be As Easy As He Thought ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mzlhb0 ) 1052491;1426300548;mircea_popescu;lmao 1052492;1426300549;decimation;'imaginary mars was totally easy to colonize' 1052493;1426300552;mircea_popescu;best make a kickstarter 1052494;1426300568;decimation;http://www.space.com/21554-mars-toxic-perchlorate-chemicals.html < most amusing part 1052495;1426300570;assbot; Toxic Mars: Astronauts Must Deal with Perchlorate on the Red Planet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzllaL ) 1052496;1426300583;mircea_popescu;wait till they discover the CARBON 1052497;1426300590;mircea_popescu;it's worse than global warmed earth! 1052498;1426300603;decimation;apparently mars is 1% perchlorate which fucks with your thyroid 1052499;1426300672;decimation;your jug of bleach is sodium perchlorate, this is calcium perchlorate, but the idea is similar - concentrated bleach 1052500;1426300697;mircea_popescu;so apparently there's exactly one producer of niobium oxide capacitors, and you can't put an order in. 1052501;1426300712;mircea_popescu;but anyway : it'd seem on cursory inspiection that the components market is actually not very healthy. 1052502;1426300804;mircea_popescu;"Perchlorate is not a common word in the English language; all of us had to go and look it up," << pls resign now. 1052503;1426300817;decimation;heh yeah 1052504;1426300862;mircea_popescu;" said Peter Smith, the Phoenix principal investigator at the University of Arizona in Tucson. 1052505;1426300996;decimation;correction: your jug of bleach has sodium hypochlorite, not sodium perchlorite 1052506;1426301112;mircea_popescu;it can have either 1052507;1426301126;mircea_popescu;(perchlorate tho) 1052508;1426301168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95350 @ 0.00033847 = 32.2731 BTC [+] {2} 1052509;1426301229;decimation;at any rate, it's nasty shit 1052510;1426301264;mircea_popescu;well you're not supposed to drink it. 1052511;1426301456;decimation;no, but it will probably get everywhere in your 'mars habitat' 1052512;1426301460;decimation;as if such a thing will exist 1052513;1426301487;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802108 1052514;1426301487;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2014 05:33:36; mircea_popescu: now grant one more thing : there's going to be no space until long after the ocean floor is alma mater. 1052515;1426301496;*;asciilifeform once used ammonium perchlorate as pcb etchant 1052516;1426301507;decimation;could be used as rocket fuel too 1052517;1426301509;mircea_popescu;i dun think mars is habitable. 1052518;1426301523;mircea_popescu;people have trouble making rent down on earth, what mars. 1052519;1426301538;asciilifeform;^ that's actually the main appeal i think 1052520;1426301545;mircea_popescu;what, "that" ? 1052521;1426301549;asciilifeform;herd thinner. 1052522;1426301553;mircea_popescu;lol 1052523;1426301566;mircea_popescu;stupidity is not a function of the size of the herd. 1052524;1426301567;mircea_popescu;!up bagehot 1052525;1426301592;bagehot;Thanks for the !up, mircea_popescu 1052526;1426301594;asciilifeform;not size, no. size is effect of taking the higher cut. 1052527;1426301607;asciilifeform;where was the stupidity on the net circa '88, etc. 1052528;1426301683;decimation;bagehot: here to tell us of the bank of england? 1052529;1426301723;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: NbO caps >> 'They also do not exhibit any piezo effect and have no voltage dependence, thus making them a good fit in coupling circuits.' << guess what. 1052530;1426301729;asciilifeform;!s microphonics 1052531;1426301730;assbot;4 results for 'microphonics' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=microphonics 1052532;1426301837;asciilifeform;http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Niobium-Oxide-Capacitors/_/N-5g8e?Keyword=128206846&FS=True&Ntk=P_MarCom << and they aren't entirely gone 1052533;1426301838;assbot;AVX Niobium Oxide Capacitors | Mouser ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9fHyT ) 1052534;1426301855;asciilifeform;but yes, cost like diamond 1052535;1426301864;asciilifeform;and hm, nm, gone. 1052536;1426301865;bagehot;decimation: What is there to say about the BoE? I'm here to learn checkout scarcity-through-obscurity currencies. 1052537;1426301900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00033054 = 5.1068 BTC [-] 1052538;1426301901;decimation;is bitcoin obscure? 1052539;1426301914;asciilifeform;http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/Niobium-Oxide-Capacitors/_/N-5g8eZscv7?Keyword=153997756&FS=True&Ntk=P_MarCom << and here they are. 1052540;1426301917;assbot;AVX Niobium Oxide Capacitors | Mouser ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9fZWo ) 1052541;1426301918;bagehot;the keys used to keep bitcoins a store of value are. 1052542;1426301930;asciilifeform;$1-2 -each- 1052543;1426301947;bagehot;at least from what I understand of the technical implementation. 1052544;1426302318;bagehot;On a related note, can anyone suggest a site collecting major papers on the technical and analytical details of bitcoins? 1052545;1426302653;danielpbarron;!up Birdman 1052546;1426302782;decimation;bagehot: if you wanna know how bitcoin works, unfortunately the only comprehensive reference is the code itself 1052547;1426303173;bagehot;fair enough, i'll check it out 1052548;1426303365;cazalla;bagehot, i can't speak to whether it's any use or not, but i have seen this floating around before http://suitpossum.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/academic-bitcoin-research.html 1052549;1426303367;assbot;The Heretic's Guide to Global Finance: Hacking the Future of Money: Peer-to-Peer Review: The State of Academic Bitcoin Research 2014 ... ( http://bit.ly/1G15duW ) 1052550;1426303482;decimation;!up bagehot 1052551;1426303486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201250 @ 0.00034092 = 68.6102 BTC [+] {4} 1052552;1426303503;bagehot;Cool, yeah, that'll save me a day of googling, thanks 1052553;1426303820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hehehe 1052554;1426303878;mircea_popescu;bagehot you're here to learn what ? 1052555;1426304205;mircea_popescu;!up bagehot 1052556;1426304210;bagehot;Where I can go to get the gory details on how the interesting parts of the bitcoin source code are implemented and why those interesting bits actually work cryptographically and in a game-theory sense. I think its pretty incredible that a bunch of people can credibly store tokens of considerable value on a decentralized, digital network. 1052557;1426304236;bagehot;Eh, the delay was to make sure I communicated accurately what I am here to learn. 1052558;1426304280;mircea_popescu;actually, this is exactly backards from reality. bitcoin is an utter mess, it works mostly by accident, most of the bits are horribly broken and dysfunctional. 1052559;1426304339;mircea_popescu;but, the discussion is in the logs, you can traverse it by searching. prolly a good start as any : 1052560;1426304340;mircea_popescu;!s opendns 1052561;1426304341;assbot;2 results for 'opendns' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=opendns 1052562;1426304348;mircea_popescu;uh i mean 1052563;1426304352;mircea_popescu;!s openssl 1052564;1426304353;assbot;286 results for 'openssl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openssl 1052565;1426304356;mircea_popescu;that one. 1052566;1426304358;bagehot;Well all the better then. In the longer run I want to try inventing some units of account with different transactional properties and expansionary mechanisms. 1052567;1426304370;mircea_popescu;where's that spaceghost thing. 1052568;1426304505;danielpbarron;http://i.imgur.com/t2sfuot.jpg 1052569;1426304506;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G190Z5 ) 1052570;1426304569;mircea_popescu;that one. 1052571;1426304689;bagehot;Heh, nah, I've got no interest in patching bitcoin for the sake of itself beyond tinkering with the code to learn about. 1052572;1426304708;bagehot;*itself = bitcoin 1052573;1426304960;bagehot;I think it'd be more fun to see what people do, if anything, with units of account that aren't like digital gold. 1052574;1426304997;decimation;bagehot: what does it mean to 'not be like digital gold'? 1052575;1426305097;bagehot;Well, so to give a concrete example, but not to make a normative statement about the relative merits for some purpose of one kind of unit of account over another, I think it'd be fun to try switching the party that initiates the asset-liability relationship. 1052576;1426305190;bagehot;I also think it'd be fun to try to build a decentralized currency with a built-in mechanism for lender-of-last-resort purposes 1052577;1426305203;decimation;lulz 1052578;1426305265;mircea_popescu;bagehot this has been done. 1052579;1426305270;mircea_popescu;it also never went anywhere, but w/e. 1052580;1426305278;bagehot;Cool, link? 1052581;1426305292;mircea_popescu;maybe look into http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/ and go from there. 1052582;1426305292;assbot;Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkyIJR ) 1052583;1426305495;decimation;bagehot: do you think the supply of money must expand as an economy 'grows'? 1052584;1426305560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55750 @ 0.00032755 = 18.2609 BTC [-] {2} 1052585;1426305646;bagehot;It depends on what is enforced by the people who decide what money and the economy are. 1052586;1426305671;bagehot;And also how those people define the terms. 1052587;1426305710;bagehot;That's my first pass at an answer. That's not a question I've thought about before. 1052588;1426305715;mircea_popescu;one interesting idea that came out here is that the people do not decide what either money or the economy are. 1052589;1426305723;mircea_popescu;but vice-versa : money and the economy decide what people are. 1052590;1426306272;mircea_popescu;!up bagehot 1052591;1426306277;mircea_popescu;you should prolly get in the wot. 1052592;1426306356;bagehot;Thanks! First, re: one interesting idea: Can you clarify 'decide'? One sort of sociological argument I've heard is that social systems cause specific behaviors to be present in people. 1052593;1426306402;bagehot;Another argument I've heard is that thing like 'money' and the 'economy' exist as they are because of some constraints that are present in the natural world and so those constraints, eh, cause certain behaviors 1052594;1426306452;bagehot;Its definately the case that some social systems cause behaviors in practically all people, although I suspect once in a while people manage to commander the board for a bit. 1052595;1426306468;mircea_popescu;the latter. 1052596;1426306493;mircea_popescu;just like gravity causes fishes to swim and birds to fly, just so money and the economy cause black people to be poor and jews to have long noses 1052597;1426306495;mircea_popescu;or thereabouts. 1052598;1426306621;bagehot;I suspect so, although, it'd depend on the natural constraint thats being put forth 1052599;1426306648;bagehot;aside on the wot, is this the resource to read for wot? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html 1052600;1426306649;assbot;#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkB6QM ) 1052601;1426306754;mircea_popescu;yes, that works. 1052602;1426306787;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ for more theoretical considerations. 1052603;1426306788;assbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkBoal ) 1052604;1426306788;assbot;GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkBoap ) 1052605;1426306989;bagehot;Alright, I'll be back in a bit once I've got wot setup. 1052606;1426307065;mircea_popescu;!up Birdman 1052607;1426307073;decimation;'[ 1052608;1426307197;Birdman;Hello -assets. I am looking to dump my dollars for coins and have almost no trust ratings in the WoT. Willing to use an escrow or however it can be the least risky for both parties if anyone is interested 1052609;1426307390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103013 @ 0.00032424 = 33.4009 BTC [-] {2} 1052610;1426307707;mircea_popescu;you mean physically ? 1052611;1426307734;mircea_popescu;Birdman ^ 1052612;1426307766;Birdman;It'd have to be a cash in the mail thing most likely 1052613;1426307792;Birdman;Unless there is another way to get someone my dollars 1052614;1426307803;mircea_popescu;i don't think many people do that, on account of how unreliable it is. 1052615;1426307823;mircea_popescu;if you can use a bank, talk to sturles, he's been doing the offices of noob introducer since 2010. 1052616;1426307829;mircea_popescu;expect to pay a slight premium. 1052617;1426307851;mircea_popescu;if you can't use a bank, join a local community and do face to face. 1052618;1426307884;mircea_popescu;!up JoshG_ 1052619;1426307892;JoshG_;sup 1052620;1426307937;Birdman;Right, but the risk is on my end really if I send the money. Also, I am trying to do a larger volume where my irl contact is uncomfortable doing 1052621;1426307939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320250 @ 0.00031795 = 101.8235 BTC [-] {7} 1052622;1426308067;mircea_popescu;not much. 1052623;1426308488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118150 @ 0.0003224 = 38.0916 BTC [+] 1052624;1426308781;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/the-huge-language-issue/#comment-113048 << l0ltr0nicz 1052625;1426308782;assbot;The huge language issue pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf5BIA ) 1052626;1426308854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155800 @ 0.0003224 = 50.2299 BTC [+] 1052627;1426309281;decimation;asciilifeform: apparently you need a manor-house with a library 1052628;1426309299;asciilifeform;i also need atomic dirigible, possibly 1052629;1426309586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40690 @ 0.0003224 = 13.1185 BTC [+] 1052630;1426309726;mircea_popescu;!up bagehot 1052631;1426309745;mircea_popescu;there's no relation between assbot and gribble really. 1052632;1426309772;mircea_popescu;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot < see there. 1052633;1426309773;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqStij ) 1052634;1426309939;bagehot;I dig the link to the BRK letters at http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/finance. His letters are really a sharp resource on finance. 1052635;1426309940;assbot;finance [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1rRDp ) 1052636;1426310009;bagehot;But, how do I prevent getting muted by assbot? I figured I registered a public key with gribble to register with the wot and then it was a matter of ;;eauth and messaging !up to assbot 1052637;1426310061;decimation;bagehot: no need for ;;eauth to gribble, !up to assbot is sufficient 1052638;1426310090;bagehot;Er, when I send !up to assbot I get 'assbot: bagehot is not registered in WoT.' back 1052639;1426310135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128259 @ 0.0003432 = 44.0185 BTC [+] {2} 1052640;1426310142;bagehot;How do I fix that? I'm mistaken but thats where I thought (but no longer do) gribble fit in. 1052641;1426310156;decimation;did you do !register to assbot? 1052642;1426310183;decimation;!rated bagehot 1052643;1426310183;assbot;bagehot is not registered in WoT. 1052644;1426310196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81491 @ 0.00034611 = 28.2049 BTC [+] {3} 1052645;1426310253;bagehot;Sorry, this is probably all RTFM issues, but is it !register 1052646;1426310270;decimation;yeah 1052647;1426310337;mircea_popescu;!gettrust bagehot 1052648;1426310337;assbot;bagehot is not registered in WoT. 1052649;1426310655;bagehot;For the I'm using the fifth column I get from the command gpg --list-keys --with-colon, 60E5BD872B2A6031. I'm getting back 'assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.' 1052650;1426310702;decimation;bagehot: did you upload it to a keyserver? 1052651;1426310755;bagehot;Yeah, https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=bagehot&op=index 1052652;1426310756;assbot;Search results for 'bagehot' ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1uEws ) 1052653;1426310783;mircea_popescu;use the whole thing 1052654;1426310817;mircea_popescu;40 chars. 1052655;1426310880;decimation;you might want to actually have a valid email too 1052656;1426310989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124000 @ 0.00033537 = 41.5859 BTC [-] {2} 1052657;1426311342;bagehot;Where is the 40 character output? 1052658;1426311552;decimation;gpg --fingerprint 1052659;1426312380;mircea_popescu;!gettrust bagehot 1052660;1426312383;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bagehot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/bagehot | http://w.b-a.link/user/bagehot 1052661;1426312392;mircea_popescu;!rate bagehot New blood 1052662;1426312392;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. 1052663;1426312394;mircea_popescu;!rate bagehot New 1 blood 1052664;1426312394;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. 1052665;1426312398;mircea_popescu;!rate bagehot 1 New blood 1052666;1426312398;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/de6dcd8050d71dd7 1052667;1426312424;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.bagehot.1:db856e96a87cbb812489644043c3577315f61997069f2c79c3c0d4cd29f66b59 1052668;1426312424;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for bagehot with note: New blood 1052669;1426312434;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bagehot now you can self-voice, pm assbot !up 1052670;1426312434;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1052671;1426312758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75250 @ 0.00034861 = 26.2329 BTC [+] {2} 1052672;1426314649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123751 @ 0.0003403 = 42.1125 BTC [-] {2} 1052673;1426315381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.0003341 = 18.2252 BTC [-] 1052674;1426315625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 217869 @ 0.00034853 = 75.9339 BTC [+] {4} 1052675;1426315808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.0003565 = 13.8857 BTC [+] 1052676;1426316081;ben_vulpes;aha 1052677;1426316087;ben_vulpes;600 lines of log 1052678;1426316089;ben_vulpes;GO 1052679;1426316282;ben_vulpes; what's wrong is the idea that dependents can push one around in one's own castle. << myup. 1052680;1426316305;ben_vulpes;but on the other hand "you're a parent now - you must sacrifice your whole life for the new life" 1052681;1426316396;mircea_popescu;orly. 1052682;1426316406;ben_vulpes;that's your line. 1052683;1426316427;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1052684;1426316461;mircea_popescu;!up p15 1052685;1426316523;ben_vulpes;that set of assertions has me in knots. 1052686;1426316586;ben_vulpes; said.... everyone ever ? << nah. babes in haus is totally the way to go. 1052687;1426316616;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051634 << stealth fork? 1052688;1426316616;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 12:53:40; cazalla: and i am stuck using fucking electrum since then because for some reason, since bitcoin-qt 0.10.0 came out, my old 0.8.3, 0.8.6 throws errors and i can't fully sync and even lame attempt to try 0.10.0 falls flat.. i think maybe memory is fucked though unrelated, memtest86 throws a bunch of errors 1052689;1426316631;mircea_popescu;nah, chain's still ok on the older clients. 1052690;1426316638;mircea_popescu;may be some peculiar 8 branch shit 1052691;1426316658;ben_vulpes;this is still worth enumerating. 1052692;1426316669;ben_vulpes;cazalla: what's the full story here? 1052693;1426316683;ben_vulpes;your 0.8.6 all of a sudden refuses to sync further? 1052694;1426316695;ben_vulpes;new 0.8.6 chains blow up during initial sync? 1052695;1426316736;ben_vulpes;wouldn't it be handy to have a thing that could watch the output of n different 'bitcoin's running in real time? 1052696;1426316823;ben_vulpes;saifedean: it's the Alps on the Riviera << oh god that sounds amazong 1052697;1426316887;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it would, yes. 1052698;1426316903;mircea_popescu;the alps actually are right across from the riviera. 1052699;1426317044;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes: here's v0091 of the patching script: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000066.html << once we have a source tree in the wild and some sort of provenance chain for it we can start talking about dvcs over email 1052700;1426317045;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AllAyI ) 1052701;1426317086;ben_vulpes;i'm well aware that this is how Things Are Doneâ„¢ 1052702;1426317307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you know the "first shave, then shoot" one ? 1052703;1426317340;ben_vulpes; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051719 << that it may be << oh come now the israel thing is totally orthogonal to the 'everyone else is cattle' attitude 1052704;1426317340;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 13:15:53; gabriel_laddel: the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK. 1052705;1426317369;mircea_popescu;wait, wut ? 1052706;1426317403;ben_vulpes;umpteen fucking centuries of having the bottom 90% snipped off of your ethnic group is much more pertinent 1052707;1426317463;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 'international cattle demarcation line' does not refer to israel? 1052708;1426317468;mircea_popescu;nope. 1052709;1426317475;ben_vulpes;oh, well. then what? 1052710;1426317483;mircea_popescu;just an arbitrary limit 1052711;1426317539;ben_vulpes;is this a real thing? 1052712;1426317583;cazalla;ben_vulpes, i reinstall nigubuntu a few days after 0.10 came out, i forgot to backup blocks so i had to dl it all again, but not able to do so despite blowing about 100gb on trying 1052713;1426317608;ben_vulpes;oh god 1052714;1426317614;ben_vulpes;never update your bitcoin device 1052715;1426317636;ben_vulpes;state is von neumann peeking through the curtain 1052716;1426317647;ben_vulpes;his baleful glare burning into your soul 1052717;1426317650;cazalla;ya, i know, but i was using 0.8.3 and i have at times in the past thought fuck it, i'll just download the blockchain after a format 1052718;1426317658;ben_vulpes;attempt to mutate the state and you tempt him 1052719;1426317694;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no dude, iut's not a real thing. the idea was that somehow there's a cutoff : up to moment t, imigrants are a ok. at t+1 they're now cattle. well, how do you choose t ? 1052720;1426317717;ben_vulpes;aha 1052721;1426317724;mircea_popescu;cazalla that was not such a smart move. 1052722;1426317732;mircea_popescu;old chains are valuable like old wine is valuable. 1052723;1426317732;ben_vulpes;the glib retort is "we're not immigrants, we're jooz!" 1052724;1426317741;cazalla;but i even tried 0.10 out of pure frustration and it wouldn't work either.. i actually think it might be related to ram in this pc, memtest86 reports bunch of errors 1052725;1426317747;ben_vulpes;like gypsies, but according to the people in question, 'smarter' 1052726;1426317814;ben_vulpes;if i might be so bold i bear an excellent subset of excellent american genes 1052727;1426317820;ben_vulpes;french mercs 1052728;1426317836;cazalla;anyway, i have a pogo otw, we'll see what comes of that next week 1052729;1426317837;ben_vulpes;jews who escaped 1052730;1426317854;mircea_popescu;i dun think genes are what you think they are. 1052731;1426317857;ben_vulpes;and gypsies (so family legend goes) who assimilated into the local joomunity. 1052732;1426317889;ben_vulpes;lineage, then. 1052733;1426317918;ben_vulpes;who knows what got snipped and sewn in place during recombination. 1052734;1426317943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00035969 = 29.063 BTC [+] {2} 1052735;1426317978;mircea_popescu;o wait, you're a jew too ? 1052736;1426317981;mircea_popescu;!b 1 1052737;1426317981;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FF200N.txt ) 1052738;1426317984;mircea_popescu;sorry, couldn't resist. 1052739;1426318016;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: p-p-plz no bully 1052740;1426318098;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/akdKhXt.jpg <<< you can use a daikon raddish as a heatsink? 1052741;1426318099;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmhF3k ) 1052742;1426318166;ben_vulpes; heh we're fucking children << trinque confirmed for gulagdestiny 1052743;1426318196;mircea_popescu;yes, it's heat relish. 1052744;1426318614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25440 @ 0.00035921 = 9.1383 BTC [-] 1052745;1426318784;ben_vulpes; presently the only package of -source- i've succeeded in building into a kernel that can be used on pogo - was netbsd. << it's over. eat a strategic banana, let them have the abandoned fortresses, move to the hills and build batteries of cheapish ground and air control devices to hold no mans land, lick wounds, regroup. 1052746;1426318843;ben_vulpes;dispense with dream of 'compute'. c'est la guerre. 1052747;1426318885;ben_vulpes;take comfort that bitcoin exists. 1052748;1426318919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88900 @ 0.00035865 = 31.884 BTC [-] 1052749;1426319320;ben_vulpes;decimation, mircea_popescu: ksr, "We could be intruding on alien life." << isn't colonialism about coopting local structure if not eradicating them entirely? 1052750;1426319364;mircea_popescu;colonialism is about coopting the locals on its own terms only. 1052751;1426319382;mircea_popescu;that's the point of colonialism : much like b-a, you may only join it nude. 1052752;1426319386;ben_vulpes;"do as i say, or i slay." 1052753;1426319407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 9477 @ 0.00021105 = 2.0001 BTC [-] 1052754;1426319417;mircea_popescu;quite. 1052755;1426319456;mircea_popescu;that's the important thing about colonialism : it is a plain statement of the fundamental worthlessness of the locals. what it says is that their culture is not worth reading. 1052756;1426319465;mircea_popescu;in many cases, this attitude is actually correct 1052757;1426319482;mircea_popescu;which is why i don't particularly share the worries of most intellectuals abnout the various books burned during history. 1052758;1426319495;mircea_popescu;if the people that wrote them weren't idiots, the books wouldn't have been burned. 1052759;1426319520;mircea_popescu;im sure if someone burned down reddit loads of future intellectuals will be all "o noes, the treasures lost". because they don't exactly know. 1052760;1426319540;mircea_popescu;and so for them erring that way is sensible. but in actual fact... good god, the world is better off. 1052761;1426319665;ben_vulpes; [02:58] the keys used to keep bitcoins a store of value are. << wat 1052762;1426319669;mircea_popescu;(same idea re: "state preserving old buildings" put forth in http://trilema.com/2009/el-ingenioso-hidalgo-don-quijote-de-la-mancha-si-conul-andrei-pippidi/ drove teh romanaian nuts. but the point stands : why the fuck would the public treasury spend money to maintain some family houses of meanwhile dead families ? once the snail's no longer in the shell, the shell has no further meaning or import.) 1052763;1426319670;assbot;El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha si conul Andrei Pippidi. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmjRIc ) 1052764;1426319796;ben_vulpes;;;later tell bagehot lmk if you want a hand with setting up networks off of the mainchain 1052765;1426319796;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1052766;1426319852;ben_vulpes;;;later tell bagehot "normative statement" << actually now i'm not so sure i want to be around you at all even 1052767;1426319852;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1052768;1426319901;mircea_popescu;lol the guy is trying, give him six months. 1052769;1426319913;ben_vulpes; [04:12] Another argument I've heard is that thing like 'money' and the 'economy' exist as they are because of some constraints that are present in the natural world and so those constraints, eh, cause certain behaviors << it's called thermodynamics 1052770;1426320163;ben_vulpes;new noobs, gorgeous weather, summer runup must be impending. 1052771;1426320187;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1052772;1426320188;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.5, Best ask: 284.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 284.62, 24 hour volume: 37387.61151736, 24 hour low: 281.36, 24 hour high: 293.22, 24 hour vwap: None 1052773;1426320195;mircea_popescu;looks like it. 1052774;1426320207;ben_vulpes;10k by nov? 1052775;1426320219;ben_vulpes;who's the fractional reserve this time? 1052776;1426320235;mircea_popescu;well considering all the bezzle poured in, it should be d.cbse 1052777;1426320253;ben_vulpes;gemini being the replacement-in-the-wings 1052778;1426320260;ben_vulpes;fiat hedge against fiat failure 1052779;1426320331;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes, i reinstall nigubuntu a few days after 0.10 came out, i forgot to backup blocks so i had to dl it all again, but not able to do so despite blowing about 100gb on trying << dude i need more than this 1052780;1426320347;ben_vulpes;like ~/.bitcoin/debug.log files from block where it wedges 1052781;1426320353;ben_vulpes;block number 1052782;1426320369;ben_vulpes;general symptoms of shitgnomery 1052783;1426320374;mircea_popescu;he's new. give him six months. 1052784;1426320392;ben_vulpes;and then THEN you need to point the thing at a known-good node and see if you get the same results. 1052785;1426320411;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: cazalla? new? 1052786;1426320455;mircea_popescu;at computering 1052787;1426320512;cazalla;ben_vulpes, i really only got off windows like.. 7-8 months ago 1052788;1426320528;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-portrait-of-young-lenin-as-an-artist-in-his-youth/ 1052789;1426320549;ben_vulpes;well you have places to hunt now don't you? and a foundation to whom to report shitgnomery in the wild? 1052790;1426320566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91228 @ 0.00035522 = 32.406 BTC [-] 1052791;1426320759;ben_vulpes;anyways cazalla your mission should you choose to accept it is to run down some useful debug information from a 0.8.6 that refuses to sync. i suggest booting your bitcoind with the -debug flag. 1052792;1426320799;mircea_popescu;lol @ should you choose to accept it device. 1052793;1426320803;mircea_popescu;which game was this ? doom ? 1052794;1426320810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102950 @ 0.00035483 = 36.5297 BTC [-] {2} 1052795;1426320846;cazalla;ben_vulpes, here, not sure if any help http://dpaste.com/3EKMNTB.txt 1052796;1426320848;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmlBkN ) 1052797;1426320862;cazalla;i think this was from 0.8.6 or maybe 0.8.3 install, can't remember 1052798;1426320864;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/visual-culture-test-the-naked-woman/#comment-90764 << ahaha check it out how one patrick mcfarland made a btc in 2012 1052799;1426320865;assbot;Visual Culture Test - The Naked Woman pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmlC8m ) 1052800;1426320874;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: mission impossible! 1052801;1426320922;ben_vulpes;as a side note, it's lovely to see pastebin die the good death. 1052802;1426320935;mircea_popescu;oh ? 1052803;1426320967;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: the movie... 1052804;1426320973;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/4462e776fa649fb2001fd50392084f46/tumblr_my1gxe6Ubl1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg << check out the maids outfit that bride picked! 1052805;1426320974;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUQmHV ) 1052806;1426320992;mircea_popescu;i mean it's traditionally a device to humiliate the girls, but the degree! 1052807;1426321015;ben_vulpes;good god they're all like 35 1052808;1426321023;mircea_popescu;well yes ? 1052809;1426321028;cazalla;mircea_popescu, ya know what i'm yet to figure out about such pics, under what circumstances do people get naked like this at a wedding? 1052810;1426321044;cazalla;european thing or what 1052811;1426321049;mircea_popescu;yes. 1052812;1426321081;ben_vulpes;ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 234015 << so your remote node is misbehaving 1052813;1426321099;mircea_popescu;here, one more http://36.media.tumblr.com/8d98884538d636d0166f2ed798ed21ea/tumblr_mu83nerhLP1sz40t4o1_500.jpg 1052814;1426321101;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUQAPk ) 1052815;1426321146;ben_vulpes;although hard to tell if its getting blocks it already has or just 'heights' it already has 1052816;1426321195;ben_vulpes;ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 233764 00000000000000f9386cebe790b230739587e8d554d94579e8e569b73107c472 1052817;1426321197;ben_vulpes; << considering running 'getblockhash 233764' and seeing if it returns the same hash 1052818;1426321214;ben_vulpes;although is that the hash of the existing block or the incoming block and are they even the same? 1052819;1426321227;mircea_popescu;00000000000000f9386cebe790b230739587e8d554d94579e8e569b73107c472 1052820;1426321227;*;ben_vulpes is not opening up cpp tonight, will run from flawed meatram 1052821;1426321230;mircea_popescu;ayup 1052822;1426321249;ben_vulpes;/s/considering/consider 1052823;1426321259;ben_vulpes;hm wait wrong construction 1052824;1426321263;mircea_popescu;srsly. 1052825;1426321289;ben_vulpes;cazalla: please run 'getblockhash 233764' and report 1052826;1426321308;ben_vulpes;if you have 0.8.6 available for inquiry. 1052827;1426321333;ben_vulpes;67.70.13.210 << in 10* seeds? 1052828;1426321379;ben_vulpes;and to tag this with the 'block download' thread: nodes that misbehave like this must be booted from the dl candidate list. 1052829;1426321382;ben_vulpes;pronto. 1052830;1426321406;mircea_popescu;dude, we went over this. the list is strictly made out of wot nodes. nothing else. 1052831;1426321409;mircea_popescu;stop filtering badness. 1052832;1426321454;cazalla;ben_vulpes, can't at this time, chain and client i have half done here atm is 0.10.0 from when i got frustrated and decided to see if this work, it didn't get to that blockheight 1052833;1426321456;ben_vulpes;not the hardcoded list, but the list of candidates constructed at/during runtime from which a node may consider downloading blocks. 1052834;1426321490;cazalla;i actually have older chain here on external hdd so im copying that over, it isn't a full one either though, i believe it is from other day when trying 0.8.6 so will try soon 1052835;1426321533;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ideally it'd have a performance based model, where it sorts the connections according to a "value", periodically kicking the bottom one and taking a new one in 1052836;1426321572;mircea_popescu;just assign costs to cpu/bw usage, and price to information obtained, and there you go 1052837;1426321589;cazalla;anyway, point i was trying to make last night was drunk, bad decision or not, i have done this many times over past year and it would always get a full chain after a day, but can't since 0.10.0 came out 1052838;1426321589;ben_vulpes;this is the obvious solution, yes. 1052839;1426321597;ben_vulpes;well codified, thank you mircea_popescu. 1052840;1426321607;*;mircea_popescu waives any merit. 1052841;1426321614;cazalla;not that i was trying to use 0.10.0, that was just a last resort past few days 1052842;1426321640;ben_vulpes;cazalla: this needs proving and reproduction. 1052843;1426321657;ben_vulpes;nailgun for the shitgnomes. 1052844;1426321697;ben_vulpes;eg does it wedge reproducibly, etc. 1052845;1426321716;ben_vulpes;jesus fuck the qa. 1052846;1426321765;ben_vulpes;00000000000001909813d3f692378c41ffa9c21e444ebac220a33137d94948c5 << point at which pasted log kicks into "orphan frenzy" 1052847;1426321801;ben_vulpes;nonstd transaction? 1052848;1426321824;cazalla;what's AddToWallet, should i snip that from log before putting on dpaste? 1052849;1426321855;ben_vulpes;heh probs. 1052850;1426321867;ben_vulpes;twould be real funny if there were privkeys in that log statement. 1052851;1426321872;cazalla;nah i checked 1052852;1426321894;ben_vulpes;and you're certain you know the contents of that logline? 1052853;1426321908;ben_vulpes;OMIT any potentially sensitive data there. 1052854;1426321913;ben_vulpes;try to preserve charcount. 1052855;1426321963;cazalla;ben_vulpes, this is from trying to -reindex with 0.8.6 http://dpaste.com/3E6139P.txt 1052856;1426321964;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUSf7n ) 1052857;1426321993;mircea_popescu;2015-03-14 08:29:22 LevelDB read failure: Corruption: block checksum mismatch 1052858;1426322006;mircea_popescu;did you shutdown your pc uncleanly ? such as for instance power fsailure ? 1052859;1426322017;cazalla;nope, client crashes 1052860;1426322040;mircea_popescu;before that. 1052861;1426322040;cazalla;ben_vulpes, confident nothing in there, but even if there was, i have nothing more than bitcents on machine connected to internet 1052862;1426322045;cazalla;no 1052863;1426322116;ben_vulpes;was that a fresh sync or using an old blockchain? 1052864;1426322140;cazalla;it's about 8gb of blocks which i downloaded using 0.8.6 the other day 1052865;1426322143;ben_vulpes;132587 << fresh sync i'm betting 1052866;1426322163;cazalla;so i copied em over into blocks dir here now and ran 0.8.6 1052867;1426322208;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831003.0 << look, a scamcoin that's not totally retarded from the get-go. 1052868;1426322209;assbot;[ANN] Woodcoin [LOG] Pure Skein, Logarithmic Release, X9_62_prime256v1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUSwas ) 1052869;1426322217;ben_vulpes;hm. 1052870;1426322218;cazalla;over the past few days i've tried a fresh install with 0.8.3, 0.8.6 and 0.10.0 and all have problems, and yes fresh as in fresh as i wiped hdd each time 1052871;1426322280;ben_vulpes;Are you going to argue with Bruce Schneier? I didn't think so. << amazing pedigree 1052872;1426322280;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1052873;1426322307;mircea_popescu;that idiocy aside, using skein's not necessarily a bad choice 1052874;1426322317;mircea_popescu;this is what i meant : while the thing's not necessarily useful, at least it's trying. 1052875;1426322396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29867 @ 0.00035597 = 10.6318 BTC [+] 1052876;1426322415;ben_vulpes;cazalla: ok well are you game for some foundation support? 1052877;1426322435;ben_vulpes;please don't make me build and test more bitcoinds 1052878;1426322439;cazalla;well that's why i have a pogo otw 1052879;1426322454;ben_vulpes;aws bill was insane for last three months 1052880;1426322501;cazalla;i'll fuck around with the pogo and hopefully learn a thing or two, that but that aside, what are odds shitty ram is cause of my problems.. memtest86 cites errors and i actually did have a couple blackouts a month back 1052881;1426322506;ben_vulpes;well i have non pogo tasks for you 1052882;1426322516;mircea_popescu;cazalla that may have corrupted a db then 1052883;1426322535;cazalla;mircea_popescu even on fresh o/s with new install of bitcoin-qt? 1052884;1426322541;ben_vulpes;i will not accept 'may have'. 1052885;1426322553;mircea_popescu;cazalla if memory corrupts then yes, on anything. 1052886;1426322570;cazalla;i'll go buy a cheap stick of ram tmw and try again 1052887;1426322594;cazalla;ben_vulpes, unfortunately, i need a lot of hand holding as i can only get so far myself so i would likely cause you more trouble than be of help 1052888;1426322601;ben_vulpes;nope. 1052889;1426322609;ben_vulpes;"teach a man to fish". 1052890;1426322617;ben_vulpes;when i'm done with you you'll be downright valuable. 1052891;1426322647;mircea_popescu;no homo ? 1052892;1426322651;cazalla;well, what would you need me to do and is it bandwidth intensive? 1052893;1426322652;ben_vulpes;unlike some people i'm willing to train male slaves. 1052894;1426322657;cazalla;lol 1052895;1426322675;ben_vulpes;cazalla: you'll not be on the hook for b/w. 1052896;1426322700;ben_vulpes;that'll have to come from my heirs legacy. 1052897;1426322702;cazalla;no, i mean my use of it with home internet connection 1052898;1426322704;ben_vulpes;heirs'. 1052899;1426322750;cazalla;as long as it doesn't blow it to over say 100gb, i can help, i have some older machines here too if of any use 1052900;1426322762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168500 @ 0.00035151 = 59.2294 BTC [-] {3} 1052901;1426322804;ben_vulpes;if you find that this is *not* a ram issue, i'll provide you ssh access to a thing on which you can run a bitcoind. 1052902;1426322865;cazalla;i should be able to let you know whether it is or not by this time tmw 1052903;1426322880;ben_vulpes;anyone who has other ideas re: muntzing cazalla's system please chime in 1052904;1426322883;ben_vulpes;cazalla: 1052905;1426322903;ben_vulpes;lady v returns from travels tomorrow noon pst, so i'll likely be unavailable though the pm. 1052906;1426322931;cazalla;i'll leave you a note if you're not around anyway 1052907;1426322939;ben_vulpes;tbf i'm more likely to get fucked into quiescence than vice versa 1052908;1426323040;ben_vulpes;dude what the shit 1052909;1426323046;ben_vulpes;i just got a 400 redirect 1052910;1426323054;ben_vulpes;what is *wrong* with people 1052911;1426323096;ben_vulpes;oh actually lolariously 1052912;1426323110;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/03/blythe-masters-to-head-wall-street-invasion/#comment-13670 << i lawled. 1052913;1426323111;assbot;Blythe Masters To Head Wall Street Invasion | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BgHXEI ) 1052914;1426323118;ben_vulpes;trinque was bitching earlier today about getting a 418 TEAPOT from a production point of sale system 1052915;1426323227;mircea_popescu;"We don’t think of bitcoin as being [...] an alternative currency [...]. We think of it as a medium for exchange" 1052916;1426323236;mircea_popescu;top kek in klass. 1052917;1426323292;ben_vulpes;get kesselman in here, eh? 1052918;1426323432;mircea_popescu;ya srsly. 1052919;1426323437;mircea_popescu;i think she was, actually. 1052920;1426323490;ben_vulpes;oh goodness madonna on stern 1052921;1426323515;mircea_popescu;mebbe just trilema http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/#comment-100653 1052922;1426323516;assbot;This is me being completely spaced out pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUU44q ) 1052923;1426323523;ben_vulpes;http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/03/madonna-on-howard-stern-3-11-15/ 1052924;1426323524;assbot;Madonna on Howard Stern 3.11.15 | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUU6sS ) 1052925;1426323528;mircea_popescu;lol i remember when she was teaching leterman wardrobe terms 1052926;1426323578;ben_vulpes;"i will do as told." < ha this one 1052927;1426323593;mircea_popescu;"Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . . 1052928;1426323593;mircea_popescu;. you are, after all, anonymous." 1052929;1426323594;mircea_popescu;ahahah 1052930;1426323615;mircea_popescu;holtzy is kinda funny. 1052931;1426323643;ben_vulpes;i've been waiting for you to come around 1052932;1426323647;mircea_popescu;wait, i thought her fucking tupac was public knowledge. 1052933;1426323758;ben_vulpes;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/03/wolf-richter-us-oil-bust-just-got-worse.html << pretty amazing how linear the 'fraking boom' looks in retrospect 1052934;1426323758;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1052935;1426323759;assbot;Wolf Richter: The US Oil Bust Just Got Worse | naked capitalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUUnw3 ) 1052936;1426323786;mircea_popescu;mhm 1052937;1426323853;ben_vulpes;i still want to get that madonna book 1052938;1426323859;mircea_popescu;so get it ? 1052939;1426323864;mircea_popescu;you live in like, a city, right ? 1052940;1426323879;ben_vulpes;i just burnt my discretionary income on fundation expenses. 1052941;1426323884;mircea_popescu;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/US-rig-count_1988_2015-03-13oil-bust.png << saudi sanctions, lolz. 1052942;1426323885;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BgJURj ) 1052943;1426323913;mircea_popescu;lol. don't you ppl have some moneyz ? 1052944;1426323977;ben_vulpes;pretty much all req'd to hedge against famine months 1052945;1426324018;ben_vulpes;what's the mpex phrase? 1052946;1426324040;mircea_popescu;"eat the woman, save the cow" ? 1052947;1426324068;ben_vulpes;"solemnly promise to not introduce personal expenses" etc etc 1052948;1426324147;mircea_popescu;you're confusing me. weren't these servers ? 1052949;1426324175;ben_vulpes;sure, yeah. 1052950;1426324177;mircea_popescu;anyway, discussion continued tomorrow, im off. 1052951;1426324206;ben_vulpes;humbung! 1052952;1426324287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00035843 = 10.95 BTC [+] {2} 1052953;1426324958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97017 @ 0.00035038 = 33.9928 BTC [-] 1052954;1426325690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55833 @ 0.00033434 = 18.6672 BTC [-] 1052955;1426327154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46750 @ 0.0003343 = 15.6285 BTC [-] {2} 1052956;1426328680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17852 @ 0.0003341 = 5.9644 BTC [-] 1052957;1426329472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00033279 = 14.0105 BTC [-] 1052958;1426329899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59400 @ 0.00033311 = 19.7867 BTC [+] {2} 1052959;1426330021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147550 @ 0.00033149 = 48.9113 BTC [-] {2} 1052960;1426330128;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr 1052961;1426330129;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 (9477 shares, 2.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 (9477 shares, 2.00 BTC), 30D: 0.00021105 / 0.00027001 / 0.000301 (59040 shares, 15.94 BTC) 1052962;1426332644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120900 @ 0.00033548 = 40.5595 BTC [+] 1052963;1426333193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52349 @ 0.00035001 = 18.3227 BTC [+] {3} 1052964;1426334291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194193 @ 0.00034485 = 66.9675 BTC [-] {2} 1052965;1426334352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47707 @ 0.00035916 = 17.1344 BTC [+] {2} 1052966;1426335145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 261724 @ 0.00033549 = 87.8058 BTC [-] {2} 1052967;1426335206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51652 @ 0.00032977 = 17.0333 BTC [-] {2} 1052968;1426335999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00035929 = 2.7845 BTC [+] 1052969;1426337097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62500 @ 0.00033018 = 20.6363 BTC [-] 1052970;1426337893;mircea_popescu;so i get a piece of spam, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/spam.png and i'm curious, where did the script get that sentence ? 1052971;1426337893;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDM7uX ) 1052972;1426337907;mircea_popescu;google responds with http://www.reddit.com/r/careerguidance/comments/2a27w2/my_wife_has_a_useless_degree_and_a_history_of/ 1052973;1426337909;assbot;My wife has a useless degree and a history of mall jobs. Any advice to de-rutify her? : careerguidance ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDMbuD ) 1052974;1426337949;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the "reddit principally exists as source of pre-spun spam text, because the cult of bayesianism really does work", jesus christ check out that life history. 1052975;1426338195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180118 @ 0.00033836 = 60.9447 BTC [+] 1052976;1426338439;mircea_popescu;the kicker, of course, being "She seems to think that professional careers require flawless writing ability, which I don't feel is the case." 1052977;1426338805;mircea_popescu;!up ug_ 1052978;1426339110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68800 @ 0.00036008 = 24.7735 BTC [+] {2} 1052979;1426339903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29332 @ 0.00035726 = 10.4792 BTC [-] 1052980;1426340057;mircea_popescu;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952 1052981;1426340058;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1BhmxqZ ) 1052982;1426340069;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ chgeck it out, the internet breaks a little more. 1052983;1426340696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00033852 = 5.7379 BTC [-] 1052984;1426341218;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/SefmLKf.gif 1052985;1426341221;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BhpMP9 ) 1052986;1426341245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67640 @ 0.00033819 = 22.8752 BTC [-] 1052987;1426341248;mats;lol 1052988;1426341261;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1052989;1426341263;mircea_popescu;who is this ? 1052990;1426341269;kakobrekla;dunno 1052991;1426341579;mircea_popescu;interesting : he tries to fight obscurity, going to extreme lengths to put a spotlight on himself 1052992;1426341583;mircea_popescu;and yet... nobody knows who he is. 1052993;1426341600;mircea_popescu;i vote this guy 'most likely to modern man'. 1052994;1426342388;mircea_popescu;!up funkenstein_ 1052995;1426342494;funkenstein_;thanks 1052996;1426342638;funkenstein_;can i just say this is the first time i've been on television? 1052997;1426342648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00033018 = 6.2074 BTC [-] 1052998;1426342791;funkenstein_;based on how long it's taken me to find my way over here I am going to be a slow learner so thanks in advance for your patience 1052999;1426342866;kakobrekla;welcome to the show. 1053000;1426343370;mircea_popescu;lol 1053001;1426343380;mircea_popescu;read the logs, it's all you need. 1053002;1426343563;mircea_popescu;incidentally, http://www.ratbehavior.org/laundry.htm 1053003;1426343564;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAoreL ) 1053004;1426343929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83000 @ 0.00033371 = 27.6979 BTC [+] 1053005;1426344045;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ so what abvout this woodcoin thing ? 1053006;1426344238;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/look-what-the-spam-dragged-in/ 1053007;1426344242;mircea_popescu;!up funkenstein_ 1053008;1426345027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00033371 = 10.1114 BTC [+] 1053009;1426345820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95850 @ 0.00033854 = 32.4491 BTC [+] {3} 1053010;1426346064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033372 = 18.7884 BTC [-] {2} 1053011;1426347174;mircea_popescu;!up funkenstein_ 1053012;1426347179;mircea_popescu;you prolly want to get in the wot. 1053013;1426347223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00034015 = 11.8712 BTC [+] 1053014;1426347295;funkenstein_;confirmed 1053015;1426347582;funkenstein_;you can totally trust me. i can take a picture of myself licking a hammer. 1053016;1426347781;mircea_popescu;see yest's discussion. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1052591 1053017;1426347781;assbot;Logged on 14-03-2015 04:11:17; mircea_popescu: you should prolly get in the wot. 1053018;1426347830;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1052627 << no but wouldn't that kick ass ? 1053019;1426347830;assbot;Logged on 14-03-2015 05:01:21; decimation: asciilifeform: apparently you need a manor-house with a library 1053020;1426347923;funkenstein_;set up but no rating 1053021;1426348130;funkenstein_;!gettrust funkenstein 1053022;1426348130;assbot;funkenstein_ and funkenstein are not registered in WoT. 1053023;1426348187;funkenstein_;;;gettrust funkenstein 1053024;1426348189;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask funkenstein!518d5cd7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.141.92.215. Trust relationship from user funkenstein to user funkenstein: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=funkenstein&dest=funkenstein | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=funkenstein | Rated since: never 1053025;1426348416;funkenstein_;!gpg eauth funkenstein 1053026;1426348501;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ follow the bit to get into assbot's. 1053027;1426348873;mircea_popescu;"We also migrated to the hosted platform as a service provided by Automattic on vip.wordpress.com. This enabled all of our costs and resources to be focused on growth as they didn’t have to worry about caching, servers or anything that didn’t improve experience for our readers or editorial users. " 1053028;1426348877;mircea_popescu;o.O 1053029;1426348894;mircea_popescu;this is perhaps one of the most idiotic bits of salescopy i've seen in recent memory : https://vip.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/10-growth-hacks-that-helped-metro-co-uk-achieve-27-million-monthly-visitors/ 1053030;1426348895;assbot;10 Growth Hacks That Helped Metro.Co.Uk Achieve 27 Million Monthly Visitors – WordPress.com VIP ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVxJUd ) 1053031;1426348968;mircea_popescu;"The amazing thing about the platform is that it is a flat fee. This means that although our traffic has grown 350% year on year our costs have not changed. The depth of their out of the box features plus ecosystem of plugins ensured that we did’t have to worry about commodity features such as SEO, site maps and editorial workflows as someone else had built and open sourced an approach." 1053032;1426348968;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1053033;1426348977;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1053034;1426348996;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the thing's just been buying those spammy "related stories from across the net" slots. which... whatever. TRAFIC! 1053035;1426349040;mircea_popescu;you could have bought that and driven it to a ytmnd for all the good they do anyone. 1053036;1426349089;mircea_popescu;but gotta appreciate the "shared hosting for idiots thinking themselves corporate" thing. myths never die! INFINITE BANDWIDTH!!1 1053037;1426349227;mircea_popescu;"A key growth hack we developed was the ability to show different headlines for social and search so we didn’t impact our search traffic." 1053038;1426349228;mircea_popescu;lawls. 1053039;1426349602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75600 @ 0.00033004 = 24.951 BTC [-] {2} 1053040;1426349663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00033096 = 13.9996 BTC [+] 1053041;1426349882;kakobrekla;its called cloud now btw. 1053042;1426350822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92894 @ 0.00032974 = 30.6309 BTC [-] 1053043;1426351812;danielpbarron;height=276555 vs height=208878 1053044;1426351859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00032785 = 46.2596 BTC [-] {4} 1053045;1426352037;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=972877.0 1053046;1426352038;assbot;GREAT IDEA FOR SALE ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVD3Hd ) 1053047;1426352713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62488 @ 0.00033096 = 20.681 BTC [+] 1053048;1426353689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74450 @ 0.00032636 = 24.2975 BTC [-] 1053049;1426354802;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i must confess that i didn't grok the analogy with the strategic banana, retreat from the fortress, etc. 1053050;1426355956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: internet breaks >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html << you beheaded the link 1053051;1426355956;assbot;Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1AomqdU ) 1053052;1426356376;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTkefJHfC0&t=199 1053053;1426356377;assbot;The SECOND Official Ultra-Ever Dry Video - Superhydrophobic coating - Repels almost any liquid! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1x4PgEy ) 1053054;1426356580;ben_vulpes;they own linux. 1053055;1426356587;ben_vulpes;the strategic banana is a red herring. 1053056;1426356593;asciilifeform;wat 1053057;1426356599;asciilifeform;[insert correct lolcat] 1053058;1426356620;ben_vulpes;a non-sequiter. 1053059;1426357044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126000 @ 0.0003274 = 41.2524 BTC [+] 1053060;1426357114;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: got your tickets ? 1053061;1426357146;*;asciilifeform was reading log, and noticed that this came up and somehow missed 1053062;1426357837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99400 @ 0.00032316 = 32.1221 BTC [-] {2} 1053063;1426357958;ben_vulpes;in a day or so. 1053064;1426357977;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i paid around 0.8k 1053065;1426357995;asciilifeform;not incl. the gringo-tax thing 1053066;1426358089;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you aren't a miser, and don't want to layover in two separate banana republics summing to a full 24 hrs' journey each way - it'll be more like 1.4 1053067;1426358160;chetty;oh hey I finally get to meet you guys :) 1053068;1426358318;*;asciilifeform won't have useful cargo, sadly 1053069;1426358325;asciilifeform;(see logs) 1053070;1426358340;asciilifeform;unless somebody still wants 'pogo' 1053071;1426358405;chetty;<< plans to have eulora demp 1053072;1426358409;BingoBoingo; but i even tried 0.10 out of pure frustration and it wouldn't work either.. i actually think it might be related to ram in this pc, memtest86 reports bunch of errors << Bad Ram can keep a lot of things from working 1053073;1426358418;chetty;demo* 1053074;1426359118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21215 @ 0.0003274 = 6.9458 BTC [+] 1053075;1426359217;BingoBoingo; i'll fuck around with the pogo and hopefully learn a thing or two, that but that aside, what are odds shitty ram is cause of my problems.. memtest86 cites errors and i actually did have a couple blackouts a month back << Rather high 1053076;1426359685;mod6;chetty: im ciked! 1053077;1426362570;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: how did you manage that? 1053078;1426362588;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i don't mind travelling 24 hours, one less night have to spend in hotel lol 1053079;1426363205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.0003274 = 10.706 BTC [+] 1053080;1426363316;chetty;travel can be fun if you relax and go with the flow, my first trip to Argentina was @29 hours 1053081;1426363497;thestringpuller;chetty: I'll be sure to print out lots of trilema to read 1053082;1426363674;chetty;hahaha not sure thats a great choice for light airline reading 1053083;1426364547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99950 @ 0.00032926 = 32.9095 BTC [+] {3} 1053084;1426364632;danielpbarron;got my hands on some old computers to play around with :D 1053085;1426364803;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/polish-bitcoin-embassy-closed/ 1053086;1426364846;danielpbarron;right now i'm gonna try to install openbsd 5.6 on an imac g4 via network 1053087;1426364924;BingoBoingo;Cool, good luck 1053088;1426364973;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Once you do that see if you can get a bitcoin build upon it. 1053089;1426365146;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/coolbearcjs/status/576791641215754241 << From the noise swamp 1053090;1426365148;assbot;Sources tell me the the NGC is working with Antiguan authorities and the Feds to shut down and to extradite an individual to Nevada soon. 1053091;1426365248;danielpbarron;i feel like i'm in way over my head trying to figure out the pogo stuff without ever having done the same things on already well established paths 1053092;1426365308;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/576820755121377280 1053093;1426365309;assbot;/EllieAsksWhy Your presence is requested. http://t.co/7Hj12V2vR4 1053094;1426365494;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Well, if you manage to install OpenBSD it's basically closer to a normal OpenBSD environment than the pogo is. 1053095;1426366072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40597 @ 0.00033008 = 13.4003 BTC [+] {2} 1053096;1426366133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26603 @ 0.00033278 = 8.8529 BTC [+] 1053097;1426367841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130900 @ 0.00032346 = 42.3409 BTC [-] 1053098;1426368268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00032294 = 19.8447 BTC [-] {2} 1053099;1426368817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83425 @ 0.0003318 = 27.6804 BTC [+] {2} 1053100;1426369114;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla shitcloud! 1053101;1426369122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh i c! 1053102;1426369383;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i paid around 0.8k << ftr this sounds about right. 1053103;1426369403;mircea_popescu; ben_vulpes: if you aren't a miser, and don't want to layover in two separate banana republics summing to a full 24 hrs' journey each way << this however doesn't ?! 1053104;1426369447;mircea_popescu; << plans to have eulora hemp << what, no pot ? :D 1053105;1426369529;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: miser, pauper, it's all the same 1053106;1426369543;mircea_popescu;;later tell cjc NGC ?! 1053107;1426369554;mircea_popescu;a... company ?! 1053108;1426369624;mircea_popescu;i flew istanbul - ba direct, coach was ~800 1053109;1426369639;mircea_popescu;first class was 1100 1053110;1426369741;ben_vulpes;i live in the sticks. 1053111;1426369793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64091 @ 0.00033473 = 21.4532 BTC [+] {2} 1053112;1426369807;ben_vulpes;the local airport is nominally 'international', but only to select destinations and not many into s.a., much less efficiently over to the south atl. 1053113;1426369813;mircea_popescu;i guess this is a point. istanbul is a major airtraffic hub. the us... not. 1053114;1426369836;ben_vulpes;i'm probably going to spend 28hrs traveling both ways, and spend 1.1k 1053115;1426369851;mircea_popescu;kinda like cccp was a "major airtrafic hub" for internal flights only. 1053116;1426369860;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes crazy. 1053117;1426369866;ben_vulpes;i imagine the forbidden city is a bit more well trafficked. 1053118;1426369893;ben_vulpes;perhaps next year i'll take two weeks off and spend a few days in nyc with friends 1053119;1426369910;mircea_popescu;bout 1k people / minute. 1053120;1426369952;mircea_popescu;hm, no, that's an exageration. bout 5k an hour more like it. 1053121;1426370043;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in teh sticks, http://36.media.tumblr.com/f36cba3e49b12d0a3b87b624e00a2557/tumblr_n2l158SH6c1skmp0co1_1280.jpg 1053122;1426370044;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBcPIs ) 1053123;1426370342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135150 @ 0.00032202 = 43.521 BTC [-] {2} 1053124;1426371257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00032478 = 19.7791 BTC [+] 1053125;1426371664;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990285.0 1053126;1426371665;assbot;[ANN] [CHK] Chicken | chicken. chickens. chicken. | RC Chicken ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBfIsI ) 1053127;1426372051;ben_vulpes;chikken-eats-ya 1053128;1426372096;BingoBoingo;layeggs true to mine? 1053129;1426372229;mircea_popescu;proof of lay! 1053130;1426372235;mircea_popescu;!up gabridome 1053131;1426372238;mircea_popescu;how's life been treatin ya ? 1053132;1426372289;mircea_popescu;fluffypony can in egg-vest? 1053133;1426372387;mircea_popescu;this is like... the frist time i saw something intelligent on tardstalk in... years ?! 1053134;1426372388;mircea_popescu;wd/ 1053135;1426372442;mircea_popescu;in similar news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/6a4513d3f9e8366e0748766179582b88/tumblr_mz2hnxZYHL1s4jw4io1_1280.jpg 1053136;1426372443;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBgwho ) 1053137;1426372445;mircea_popescu;chick! 1053138;1426372530;fluffypony;lol 1053139;1426372549;fluffypony;what comes first, the chicken-vest or the egg-vest? 1053140;1426372570;mircea_popescu;egg-vest. i guess i may be the only one still wearing three piece suits, 1053141;1426372581;mircea_popescu;but i've made more eggvest than say cumpanties. 1053142;1426372596;mircea_popescu;mostly because the sort of sluts i hang out with don't even have panties, but anyway. 1053143;1426373941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77650 @ 0.00032964 = 25.5965 BTC [+] 1053144;1426374246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50488 @ 0.00033059 = 16.6908 BTC [+] {2} 1053145;1426374570;Adlai;fluffypony: b& 1053146;1426374608;*;Adlai loaded page 1 before deletion, clicked to page 2 - deleted 1053147;1426374608;fluffypony;awwww 1053148;1426374795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00032964 = 20.8827 BTC [-] 1053149;1426374819;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-03-2015#1052459 << ik: for them = gaming. also http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/[sf]-{nsa,mg,qntr,mpif}/ all http 500 1053150;1426374819;assbot;Logged on 14-03-2015 02:11:04; mike_c: gaming. for them, idk. 1053151;1426374820;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFtQgx ) 1053152;1426375179;ben_vulpes;http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ << works for me 1053153;1426375180;assbot;S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1wJMxQe ) 1053154;1426375190;ben_vulpes;berp of course, that's mpoe 1053155;1426377073;danielpbarron;!up funkenstein 1053156;1426377300;funkenstein;!register 6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6 1053157;1426377300;assbot;A key with that fingerprint is already registered by funkenstein_ 1053158;1426377330;danielpbarron;;;later tell kakobrekla ^ can fix? 1053159;1426377330;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1053160;1426378212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109893 @ 0.0003304 = 36.3086 BTC [+] {2} 1053161;1426379071;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/f11b22b24c3ed8f156483edbead36a97/tumblr_mqwqnwfB1w1sqeqspo1_500.jpg 1053162;1426379071;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18MzGBC ) 1053163;1426379085;mircea_popescu;!gettrust funkenstein 1053164;1426379085;assbot;funkenstein is not registered in WoT. 1053165;1426379087;mircea_popescu;!gettrust funkenstein_ 1053166;1426379090;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/funkenstein_ | http://w.b-a.link/user/funkenstein_ 1053167;1426379096;mircea_popescu;lol noobbane 1053168;1426379125;mircea_popescu;!rate funkenstein_ 1 New blood 1053169;1426379126;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9e26c86e0bf5dffd 1053170;1426379158;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.funkenstein_.1:08f17d910038511d7eb6dd50c053622072b2d77774b05f63de70f50240b6bd83 1053171;1426379158;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for funkenstein_ with note: New blood 1053172;1426379169;mircea_popescu;funkenstein : id as funkenstein_ and you can self voice. 1053173;1426379187;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2015#1021751 1053174;1426379187;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2015 03:18:52; Adlai: let's take a step back. the wot should be about who trusts whom, and trust is verified on the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other than signing keys. 1053175;1426379204;mircea_popescu;Adlai http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ << i see it ? 1053176;1426379205;assbot;S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/18MAgPF ) 1053177;1426379222;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1053154 1053178;1426379222;assbot;Logged on 14-03-2015 23:19:50; ben_vulpes: berp of course, that's mpoe 1053179;1426379232;mircea_popescu;Adlai hm ? 1053180;1426379241;Adlai;mpoe and bbet work, the others don't 1053181;1426379259;mircea_popescu;o i c. right you are. 1053182;1426379260;*;Adlai suspects it may involve a lack of dividends 1053183;1426379280;mircea_popescu;could be 1053184;1426379326;mircea_popescu;Adlai people associate shorthand names with keys. sorta like nicknames/callsigns work in the army/airforce. 1053185;1426379487;Adlai;callsigns aren't a good example, being assigned for uniqueness (and sometimes other properties such as perceived cleverness or snake-oil information hiding 1053186;1426379581;mircea_popescu;but that speaks to how they're assigned, the discussion was about how they're used. 1053187;1426380081;mircea_popescu;dude polish looks like a fucking dragon wrote it down. 1053188;1426380227;mircea_popescu;pm assbot !up 1053189;1426380323;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo from what i hear, the entire polish embassy thing is bs. for one thing, they really didn't do much / nobody even knew existed. for the other, no police reports, or what exactly happened there ? 1053190;1426380342;mircea_popescu;sounds more like a gay spat than anything, two people who figured "they" were the embassy or something. 1053191;1426380486;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1050716 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1052448 = profit! 1053192;1426380486;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 21:42:29; scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/latest-ransomware-targets-game-files-related-applications/ 1053193;1426380486;assbot;Logged on 14-03-2015 02:08:13; asciilifeform: mega-lol re: 'whaleclub', which apparently requires proprietary turdware to connect to! 1053194;1426380715;funkenstein_;end to end encryption users not affected: http://research.dyn.com/2015/03/uk-traffic-diverted-ukraine/ 1053195;1426380716;assbot;UK traffic diverted through Ukraine - Dyn Research | The New Home Of Renesys ... ( http://bit.ly/1GR2w2H ) 1053196;1426381567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188006 @ 0.00032803 = 61.6716 BTC [-] {2} 1053197;1426382116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155490 @ 0.00032531 = 50.5825 BTC [-] 1053198;1426382177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00033061 = 8.3975 BTC [+] 1053199;1426382665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87700 @ 0.00033061 = 28.9945 BTC [+] 1053200;1426383397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00033061 = 3.5375 BTC [+] 1053201;1426384312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145200 @ 0.00032468 = 47.1435 BTC [-] {3} 1053202;1426385817;ben_vulpes;"earlier versions of the popular to edit so as to make your own ransomware." << parser failure 1053203;1426385821;ben_vulpes;cazalla: 1053204;1426385910;cazalla;f5 and see if i make sense now 1053205;1426385957;ben_vulpes;myeah that's a skosh better. 1053206;1426386038;cazalla;i guess i could've done a better job of illustrating that these variants are mostly copy/pasta jobs 1053207;1426386059;mircea_popescu;skosh lol 1053208;1426386078;cazalla;mircea_popescu, hey, i learned a new word 1053209;1426386103;mircea_popescu;this is how jewness spreads. 1053210;1426386188;cazalla;ben_vulpes, btw, puta shop is closed sundays, so i'm gonna try to sync up blockchain on another machine. i stuck the memory in the other slots in this machine and memtest86 didn't detect any errors over night so might be the motherboard instead 1053211;1426386219;cazalla;i mean, there are other shops around but they charge an arm and a leg for half as much 1053212;1426386223;ben_vulpes;probably the right thing to do is to draw the parallel between braindead altcoin 'creators' and braindead copypasty ransomware operators. script kiddies, the lot of 'em. 1053213;1426386237;ben_vulpes;keep on keepin on cazalla 1053214;1426386244;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, yo funkenstein_ how much woodcoins does a btc buy me ? 1053215;1426386264;ben_vulpes;altcoin creator gets in wot 1053216;1426386268;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu buys coins 1053217;1426386274;ben_vulpes;dem incentives 1053218;1426386294;mircea_popescu;lol 1053219;1426386480;mircea_popescu;http://woodcutting.club/ << clealry. 1053220;1426386481;assbot;Index of / ... ( http://bit.ly/1xocMGW ) 1053221;1426386538;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/91aad72abf74f35c61aa07815be59c99/tumblr_n2zz6sUe2K1ry2rtco1_1280.jpg << travel lightly. 1053222;1426386539;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xocRKI ) 1053223;1426389131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91584 @ 0.00032698 = 29.9461 BTC [+] 1053224;1426389314;danielpbarron;ah i thought that whaleclub sounded familiar; i talked to those guys when they were on google hangouts one time https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/statuses/505781493239910400 1053225;1426389316;assbot;Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "@flibbr You should better be chatting in #bitcoin-assets. http://t.co/hEYes37cMV" ... ( http://bit.ly/1GG1PW9 ) 1053226;1426389344;danielpbarron;oh huh, assbot grabbed the selected tweet that time.. inconsistent bastard! 1053227;1426389386;danielpbarron;"I would do but I don't really have time for IRC tbh. . and as a communication vehicle find it too inefficient." 1053228;1426389425;danielpbarron;the guy was trying to convince me that the price was effect by the moon 1053229;1426389457;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/flibbr/status/533942870735343616 1053230;1426389458;assbot;What if /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash price goes up during a down moon cycle? /BitcoinBravo /hashtag/moon?src=hash /hashtag/parabolic?src=hash 1053231;1426390270;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1053232;1426390271;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 283.57, Best ask: 283.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 283.7, 24 hour volume: 18127.28269587, 24 hour low: 281.55, 24 hour high: 287.6, 24 hour vwap: None 1053233;1426390284;thestringpuller;the price drops 10 bucks and people freak out now? 1053234;1426390335;ben_vulpes;who's freaking out? 1053235;1426390440;thestringpuller;/r/bitcoin ofc 1053236;1426390551;thestringpuller;"we were so close to 300" 1053237;1426390618;danielpbarron;i have mixed feelings about the price going up, but generally i'd rather it not seeing as how I'd like more opportunity to get it cheap 1053238;1426390718;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1053239;1426390928;danielpbarron;;;later tell jurov found my btc-dev-request email in my spam folder "Why is this message in Spam? It is in violation of Google's recommended email sender guidelines. Learn more" 1053240;1426390928;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1053241;1426390985;BingoBoingo; sounds more like a gay spat than anything, two people who figured "they" were the embassy or something. << If this was their opening it wouldn't make the cut. But the part where it is closing isn't. Everything else is hedged appropriately. 1053242;1426391006;Bagels7;Oh dpb, why did you voice me, you know everyone here is way smarter than me, well at least the regulars 1053243;1426391177;thestringpuller;Bagels7: that means you're smart too by Socratic-ish logic tho. 1053244;1426391349;ben_vulpes;hey Bagels7 1053245;1426391393;danielpbarron;well you were smart enough to buy trilema credits 1053246;1426391435;danielpbarron;!up ColdHardMetal 1053247;1426391883;Bagels7;yeah I figure I'll be totally brainwashed by the time i have 9k credits left, it already triggers me in a state of mind where I think I deserve to be abused and started to have relationship issues 1053248;1426391895;*;Bagels7 hugs ben_vulpes 1053249;1426391925;danielpbarron;well i'm at 8.8k and i'm full blown brainwashed if you ask anyone on the forums 1053250;1426391990;Bagels7;probably for the best in your case of anarchist passions and social idiocy 1053251;1426392007;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: 17.9k but I didn't pay for them 1053252;1426392022;danielpbarron;from what? 20k? 1053253;1426392047;thestringpuller;something like that. got them in 2013 when I recovered a Eulora post I had cached 1053254;1426392068;thestringpuller;and everyone says mircea_popescu is a big meanie head 1053255;1426392085;danielpbarron;is it like.. bad to admit actually paying for them or something? 1053256;1426392103;thestringpuller;i bought my first 5k or so 1053257;1426392119;thestringpuller;but now I have more than I'll ever need. 1053258;1426392141;danielpbarron;i actually paid for someone else's credits one time -- a total stranger. the guy at the local juice bar who expressed interest in bitcoin and started talking about mining dogecoin 1053259;1426392156;danielpbarron;i was like.. "nonono go here instead, i'll pay for it" 1053260;1426392211;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: how nice of you! hopefully n00b isn't buying Scrypt ASIC tho 1053261;1426392239;thestringpuller;kid at my last job was into Dogecoin for the lulz but the second he purchased a scrypt ASIC I was like "well...uh, this is a lost cause..." 1053262;1426392435;Bagels7;Hi, I am good at math. Any free career advice to spare? 1053263;1426392568;BingoBoingo;!up Bagels7 1053264;1426392595;thestringpuller;Bagels7: that's mike_c 's domain 1053265;1426392602;BingoBoingo;Bagels7: Well, amphetamine habit helped rocketship Erdos's career 1053266;1426392606;BingoBoingo;!Up tank100 1053267;1426392638;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: hugs not drugs 1053268;1426392640;Bagels7;well i was planning on buying bitcoins but instead ended up homeless and smoked crack, jee i hope thats not too personal 1053269;1426392667;BingoBoingo;Plenty of people have made that mistake 1053270;1426392671;Bagels7;i have a client who says working for ubisoft is boring but it pays well 1053271;1426392695;thestringpuller;At least free health insurance in Canada 1053272;1426393178;Bagels7;is that for people with real jobs, I need a crown and root canals which will be over 2000 dollars (1500 USD) but im in the xenophobic quebec part. This province is some sort of dictatorship board that drains the country 1053273;1426393585;BingoBoingo;Bagels7: Extractions and dentures would be cheaper 1053274;1426393644;Bagels7;im 26! I cant have dentures! 1053275;1426393684;BingoBoingo;Bagels7: Most of my Brother's "clients" he fits for dentures are around 35 1053276;1426393864;cazalla;Bagels7, how do you afford the drugs but not dental work? 1053277;1426393912;cazalla;BingoBoingo, you and pulling teeth, i swear! 1053278;1426393961;Bagels7;well i havent done crack in 19 months, at the time i got lucky with calls i guess and it's not like i had the cash all at once 1053279;1426393977;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Went out to dinner with the brother tonight, and he was talking shop. 1053280;1426395231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47456 @ 0.00032419 = 15.3848 BTC [-] 1053281;1426396329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100176 @ 0.00032641 = 32.6984 BTC [+] 1053282;1426396817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135150 @ 0.00032262 = 43.6021 BTC [-] {3} 1053283;1426398525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00032909 = 15.1052 BTC [+] {2} 1053284;1426399924;mats;TIL ollydbg has code execution bugs 1053285;1426399982;mats;also TIL how to debug a debugger ... 1053286;1426399988;*;mats smacks head 1053287;1426400021;ben_vulpes;softwaaaaaaare 1053288;1426400025;ben_vulpes;von neumann did nothing wrong 1053289;1426400185;Adlai;http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/john-von-neumann.jpg << guy knows damn well what he did 1053290;1426400185;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGrQVq ) 1053291;1426400997;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1053292;1426401001;gribble;Current Blocks: 347672 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 1095 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 7 hours, 5 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46835794093.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.24772 1053293;1426401391;ben_vulpes;http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html << moar naggum 1053294;1426401392;assbot;Erik Naggum — A Long, Painful History of Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChWTrJ ) 1053295;1426402307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78683 @ 0.0003258 = 25.6349 BTC [-] 1053296;1426403018;BingoBoingo;http://www.trollaxor.com/2002/08/linux-vs-openbsd.html << 13 years old nao 1053297;1426403020;assbot;trollaxor.com: Linux vs. OpenBSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChZ5iN ) 1053298;1426403469;BingoBoingo;!up HostFat 1053299;1426403473;BingoBoingo;Hello HostFat 1053300;1426403490;HostFat;hi 1053301;1426403573;BingoBoingo;What is up? 1053302;1426403664;HostFat;I'm sick :) 1053303;1426403685;HostFat;I hope to be better on monday 1053304;1426403729;BingoBoingo;Everyone is sick. There's just an incredible variety of sick people experience. 1053305;1426403832;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: http://www.trollaxor.com/2001/06/open-source-mullet.html 1053306;1426403834;assbot;trollaxor.com: The Open Source Mullet ... ( http://bit.ly/18NzDFC ) 1053307;1426404029;BingoBoingo;Further troll lol lolls http://www.trollaxor.com/2005/07/bloggix-unix-for-web-logs.html 1053308;1426404030;assbot;trollaxor.com: Bloggix: A Unix for Web Logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ci0nug ) 1053309;1426404491;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2015#1053227 << some weird shit. irc is a degree of magnitude more efficient than email. which certainly beats phones/skype/mumble/we 1053310;1426404491;assbot;Logged on 15-03-2015 03:16:26; danielpbarron: "I would do but I don't really have time for IRC tbh. . and as a communication vehicle find it too inefficient." 1053311;1426404562;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2015#1053247 << o.O trilema does that ? 1053312;1426404562;assbot;Logged on 15-03-2015 03:58:03; Bagels7: yeah I figure I'll be totally brainwashed by the time i have 9k credits left, it already triggers me in a state of mind where I think I deserve to be abused and started to have relationship issues 1053313;1426404564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101252 @ 0.00032801 = 33.2117 BTC [+] {2} 1053314;1426404613;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2015#1053253 << i remember that. 1053315;1426404613;assbot;Logged on 15-03-2015 04:00:47; thestringpuller: something like that. got them in 2013 when I recovered a Eulora post I had cached 1053316;1426404650;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2015#1053262 << probably get into lisp. 1053317;1426404650;assbot;Logged on 15-03-2015 04:07:15; Bagels7: Hi, I am good at math. Any free career advice to spare? 1053318;1426404860;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/b037e0ae7418b35e684d961c7d24ff92/tumblr_mt3a0st12I1si97sbo1_1280.jpg 1053319;1426404862;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18NBL02 ) 1053320;1426405044;mircea_popescu;(We can only be glad there is no daylight loan time, or we would face decades of too much daylight, only to be faced with a few years of total darkness to make up for it.) 1053321;1426405045;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1053322;1426405601;cazalla;gee i hate dobermans 1053323;1426405706;mircea_popescu;why ? 1053324;1426405762;BingoBoingo;;;later tell danielpbarron http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html << I have a feeling you would love this reading material 1053325;1426405764;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18NDHpt ) 1053326;1426405764;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1053327;1426405802;mircea_popescu;http://www.trollaxor.com/2015/02/openbsd-fact-check-use-or-not-use-test.html lilz 1053328;1426405804;assbot;trollaxor.com: OPENBSD FACT CHECK: USE OR NOT USE TEST ... ( http://bit.ly/18NDJxx ) 1053329;1426405809;mircea_popescu;this guy's not bad at his trollboxing. 1053330;1426405833;cazalla;mircea_popescu, the neighbour of cousins i use to play with often as a kid owned 2 of them.. inevitably when playing cricket, a ball would go over the fence and we'd have a discussion of who was going over the fence to get it 1053331;1426405846;mircea_popescu;hehe myeah. 1053332;1426405870;mircea_popescu;still, good role model for women. 1053333;1426405906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00032193 = 2.8008 BTC [-] {2} 1053334;1426406039;[]bot;Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ 1053335;1426406077;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's a good example of practicing the long troll 1053336;1426406110;mircea_popescu;yup. at apple fanboism since what, 2001 ? 1053337;1426406113;mircea_popescu;http://www.trollaxor.com/2005/07/bloggix-unix-for-web-logs.html wins tho. 1053338;1426406114;assbot;trollaxor.com: Bloggix: A Unix for Web Logs ... ( http://bit.ly/18NEw1l ) 1053339;1426406157;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: OSX fanboism since the birth of OSuX 1053340;1426406198;mircea_popescu;http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article12427796.html 1053341;1426406201;assbot;Appeals court upholds Grant Hayes murder conviction | News & Observer News & Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/18NEDdw ) 1053342;1426406204;mircea_popescu;i suppose different grant hayes ? 1053343;1426406295;BingoBoingo;The trollaxorguy seems to ape what everyone suspects to be Mr. E. S. Raymond's id almost perfectly 1053344;1426406349;mircea_popescu;hm. 1053345;1426406432;BingoBoingo;;;later tell danielpbarron Remember if you read that archive that Until Theo forked OpenBSD into being that public CVS read access wasn't a thing anywhere yet. 1994 was a helluva year 1053346;1426406432;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1053347;1426406497;mircea_popescu;this is true 1053348;1426406512;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Loves Apple. Only cares about source being available. Hates Linux in practice. Been keeping up the blog forever and posting rather infrequently. Almost has to be ESR. 1053349;1426406562;mircea_popescu;in fairness, i suppose the burning hatred of usg and its many agencies (such as apple) that informs us is really a very novel thing. 1053350;1426406564;[]bot;Bet placed: 1.05566955 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.15566955 BTC. Current weight: 99,991. 1053351;1426406573;mircea_popescu;heck, it couldn't even have been meaningfully articulated pre bitcoin anyway 1053352;1426406584;mircea_popescu;and i doubt it existed to any degree before maybe 2003 or so. 1053353;1426406617;mircea_popescu;people who formed their ideas about the world prior - be it jws or esr or anyone else, would show remarkable blindness to the relevant issues, which are exactly above. 1053354;1426406656;BingoBoingo;I had a dislike of intel since reading about the pentium III serial number in a magazine well before I had any computer. 1053355;1426406689;ben_vulpes;kids on the internet pre 2001 are the only useful ones, provided they didn't form opinions until 2003? 1053356;1426406695;mircea_popescu;but of intel for intel's own sake, as an independent thing. not of intel for usg-intel, something intel itself could never, ever fix. 1053357;1426406702;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nuts huh ? 1053358;1426406722;funkenstein_;is that true? i thought maybe it was just me being clueless before then 1053359;1426406730;mircea_popescu;but it's not at all what i meant. i just meant, it's to be expected, and as far as possible excused, that people old enough wouldn't immediately see where the fox is at. 1053360;1426406732;mircea_popescu;!up odyjm 1053361;1426406748;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ hm ? 1053362;1426406814;ben_vulpes;i began to seriously form opinions in 2004 iirc 1053363;1426406831;ben_vulpes;granted, retarded opionions unhoned by anything. 1053364;1426406893;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd, and never bought intel again. the number thing played a part. 1053365;1426406900;BingoBoingo;For the record this is the meat of the last message on a mailing list to theo before other people started resigning around him with nowhere to go: What i am concerned about: (1) if you're going to be working on a large portion ofthe source tree, e.g. the sparc port or large amounts of code outside of it, you need to be in "reasonable touch" with us. Do you think that will be difficult for you or us to do? (2) I want to be _sure_ 1053366;1426406900;BingoBoingo; that you in no way annoy, ruffle, tweak, perturb, piss off, piss on, bugger, etc., any users, developers, or potential developers of NetBSD, unless they specifically ask you to. That's what got us to this point to begin with, really. Do you think you can manage _that_? I.e. are you willing to "just say no" to flaming people, however idiotic they may be? 1053367;1426406918;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ pls to not privately ty. 1053368;1426406944;funkenstein_;02:24:04 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, yo funkenstein_ how much woodcoins does a btc buy me ? <-- a couple percent of them all 1053369;1426406968;mircea_popescu;how many are there ? 1053370;1426406987;funkenstein_;about 6 million 1053371;1426406992;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you sent that ? 1053372;1426407030;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: At the time I just had a gut discomfort with the idea of computing machines being distinuishable in that way. Felt processors of type and rating should be fungible. 1053373;1426407030;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: No, from http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html reading history. 1053374;1426407032;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Le4ddv ) 1053375;1426407032;mircea_popescu;aha 1053376;1426407032;funkenstein_;that doesn't sound the the Theo reputation 1053377;1426407032;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ and what's the cap again ? or was there a cap ? 1053378;1426407050;*;mircea_popescu positively loves how much reading teh b-a cultists are doing. 1053379;1426407052;funkenstein_;cap is 28 million but it will take a very long time to get there ;) 1053380;1426407081;mircea_popescu;so a bitcoin buys me you say 100k or so out of the 28mn total, 6mn current ? 1053381;1426407106;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: This was from back when Theo was a serf attached to a project some derps forked off of 4.4BSD lite, and the only alternative was the still less functional FreeBSD fork. 1053382;1426407244;funkenstein_;yes, but unlikely we will ever see even 14m 1053383;1426407282;funkenstein_;boingo, pre openbsd then? 1053384;1426407296;mircea_popescu;"Finally, it is clear that for the project to be a success, we must promote a positive environment for both users and developers. If we continue to allow you, an official representative of the NetBSD project, to behave in this manner, we create the perception that we approve of your behaviour. That perception is damaging to the project and cannot be allowed to persist." 1053385;1426407316;mircea_popescu;basically, de radt got rhodesia'd out of bsd. this is coherent with the summary i recall. 1053386;1426407335;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Yes, still by a few years 1053387;1426407374;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ you fluent in chinese ? 1053388;1426407442;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1/0.00000311 1053389;1426407442;gribble;321543.40836 1053390;1426407464;funkenstein_;hardly. I spent some time there though, can get around. 1053391;1426407469;mircea_popescu;aha 1053392;1426407479;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yes but it is nice to read the emails and have names Hero Adam Glass quit NetBSD because he couldn't take Theo being shitgnomed in the name of politeness. Chris G Demetriou was the avatar of politeness who contacted theo on the importance of avoiding STFU in the name of adoption 1053393;1426407491;funkenstein_;empirically the worlds easiest language 1053394;1426407506;mircea_popescu;nubbins` swears the same re korean. 1053395;1426407527;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ so how do you feel about being my log broker ? 1053396;1426407555;funkenstein_;i'd be interested to hear that argument. my evidence is simply the number of people who have learned it. 1053397;1426407566;funkenstein_;wood be honored :) 1053398;1426407577;BingoBoingo;1990's NetBSD seems almost the canonical example of a poor heirarchy hindering an Open Source effort 1053399;1426407596;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ kay, so : post a btc address, i'll send you a btc, buy logs at 333 per. should get you 300k or so. you can hold on to them for me. 1053400;1426407600;mircea_popescu;"We regret having to do this, because you have done a significant amount of very good work for the project. In spite of that, we can no longer condone your behaviour." 1053401;1426407614;mircea_popescu;dude... this shit. i simply fail to comprehend how this works. 1053402;1426407634;mircea_popescu;so... you own a team, which you paid for, but we will revoke the title because you said nigger. 1053403;1426407638;mircea_popescu;welll wtf ?! 1053404;1426407668;mircea_popescu;why would anyone a) wish to do any work for these folks or b) hold title issued by them in any regard ? it's nil. 1053405;1426407695;BingoBoingo;And yet Open Source is the most political thing this millenium: That's good. Frankly, neither do we, nor have we ever. Politics is a waste of time, for the most part. 1053406;1426407717;mircea_popescu;pffff. 1053407;1426407738;mircea_popescu;"politics is a waste of time" is the sister idiocy to "i don't feel math is useful for real life". 1053408;1426407748;mircea_popescu;same dumb, in different css. 1053409;1426407787;chetty;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/pack-of-hounds-attack-chinese-mans-car-after-he-kicks-sleeping-dog-10103155.html 1053410;1426407789;assbot;Pack of hounds attack Chinese man's car after he kicks sleeping dog - Asia - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/18NHSS0 ) 1053411;1426407793;BingoBoingo; "politics is a waste of time" is the sister idiocy to "i don't feel math is useful for real life". << Seriously, shares most of the same stakes as war, but minus bloodshed 1053412;1426407836;mircea_popescu;chetty haha dogs republic! 1053413;1426407919;BingoBoingo; dude... this shit. i simply fail to comprehend how this works. << At the time there were two BSD source branches of note. Derp(free)BSD swiftly went off the rails. Herp(Net)BSD aknowledged the non-i386 world. Either way to even read the "Open" source you needed an in. Theo's WoT allowed him to read Herp. 1053414;1426407925;BingoBoingo;Instead of Derp 1053415;1426407932;BingoBoingo;Historical accident 1053416;1426407954;cazalla; BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd <<< and so i ask that whatever problems there are with intel, why is AMD not affected? 1053417;1426407955;mircea_popescu;my boggle was related to the "you have done work, but we don't like your style of clothing, you're fired". 1053418;1426407967;mircea_popescu;cazalla this was 1998ish mind. 1053419;1426407978;BingoBoingo; my boggle was related to the "you have done work, but we don't like your style of clothing, you're fired". << AH 1053420;1426407987;mircea_popescu;i am not proposing it as normative, we were just sharing tales from youth. 1053421;1426408010;BingoBoingo;cazalla> BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd <<< and so i ask that whatever problems there are with intel, why is AMD not affected? << My Beef was Intel imagineered this shit first 1053422;1426408053;cazalla;are you it's not just because athlon's were the cool thing to have back then? :P 1053423;1426408076;mircea_popescu;the man said " the number thing played a part." 1053424;1426408103;BingoBoingo;cazalla: This was still If I recall correctly some time before I bought a wagon full of B&W Macs at $10 a pop 1053425;1426408145;BingoBoingo; are you it's not just because athlon's were the cool thing to have back then? :P << I didn't know AMD existed until later... I am rather but not entirely sure I recall correctly 1053426;1426408397;funkenstein_;hmm whats the proper way to register an address with assbot wot 1053427;1426408405;mircea_popescu;what address ? 1053428;1426408418;mircea_popescu;you could make a deed for deedbot- if you wish to record a signed message ? 1053429;1426408441;BingoBoingo; hmm whats the proper way to register an address with assbot wot << Prolly whatever the latest incarnation of the Deedbot idea is. 1053430;1426408448;funkenstein_;this one 1CnRcXsJ9dci1Z8yzo1PvVaoGeYef7Zcti 1053431;1426408457;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the NetBSD team sounds like a bunch of fucktards i would never wish to have anything to do with. 1053432;1426408460;funkenstein_;ok i want to learn about deedbot I will check that out 1053433;1426408465;mircea_popescu;i wonder how personally particular this impression is. 1053434;1426408497;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ search logs for it, full examples of use etc, in there. also http://trilema.com/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets-updated 1053435;1426408498;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Le7mKq ) 1053436;1426408576;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's something I've come to recently. Surprised it isn't the offical Social Justice OS. When I first played with Open Source at a summer job in 2004 I grew an immediate dislike because it didn't work as expected on maximally vanilla hardware at the summer job. 1053437;1426408644;mircea_popescu;i don't think i've ever seen it run, personally. 1053438;1426408726;BingoBoingo;I've got it to run a couple times. Once on ancient hardware. 1053439;1426408734;mircea_popescu;http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 < of course... on the web none of the bsds exist. 1053440;1426408736;assbot;Operating system market share ... ( http://bit.ly/1Le7XM6 ) 1053441;1426408749;mircea_popescu;windows xp at 20%, that's a kicker. 1053442;1426408784;mircea_popescu;more windows3.1 running browsers than all bds's combined. 1053443;1426408855;BingoBoingo;I'm honestly surprised with the Azure and cloud thing MicroShaft hasn't forked a BSD to revive the Xenix brand 1053444;1426408864;mircea_popescu;but anyway, fwiw fbsd/obsd/nbsd seem to enjoy this 4:2:1 quadratic. 1053445;1426408879;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no strategist at the top. they got mostly marketing people these days. 1053446;1426408938;BingoBoingo; but anyway, fwiw fbsd/obsd/nbsd seem to enjoy this 4:2:1 quadratic. << positions in the quadratic shift rather swiftly. 1053447;1426408947;BingoBoingo;When they shift at all. 1053448;1426408964;mircea_popescu;mostly a function of the methodology, considering how tiny the sample is. 1053449;1426408976;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo no strategist at the top. they got mostly marketing people these days. << Don't forget the Inertia people behind "Office" 1053450;1426408995;mircea_popescu;myea 1053451;1426409078;BingoBoingo;When it comes to adopting pieces of various BSD's though enumeration gets really messy. OSuX brings in a lot of FreeBSD stuff. Google Android uses OpenBSD's libc with a special compile flag google requested. 1053452;1426409126;mircea_popescu;myeah 1053453;1426409208;BingoBoingo;The devil only knows which BSD Cisco corrupted into IOS or that MS uses as the Windows network stack anymore 1053454;1426409212;mircea_popescu;anyway this email pile is unreadable. passive-agressive thirteen year olds captive in the decaying bodies of thirtysomethings going at it. 1053455;1426409247;mircea_popescu;i have it on good authority window uses an old copy of gregorian chants for its networking stack now. 1053456;1426409310;BingoBoingo;lol 1053457;1426409352;BingoBoingo;Past a point inflection any email pile with a dispute becomes unreadable 1053458;1426409410;mircea_popescu;not mine. theirs. there's a type of esl castrato that exhibits this strange insanity of behaviour, that a problem is either solved within the first three passes or never. 1053459;1426409442;mircea_popescu;it's so weird that the "halting condition" of the "machine" so to speak is found, not in the data, not in the code, but in the... cell count. 1053460;1426409452;mircea_popescu;verybad.jpg 1053461;1426409490;cazalla;so bitcoin pete quotes rassah and i was going to use it for an article, but the quote is nowhere to be found in the logs 1053462;1426409502;BingoBoingo; it's so weird that the "halting condition" of the "machine" so to speak is found, not in the data, not in the code, but in the... cell count. << Yeah. Only time I've encountered this in my limited forays outside english is in Mao's essays corraled under the Title "Guerilla Warfare" 1053463;1426409665;cazalla;ah bitcoin pete edited the text to fix spelling errors so nothing untoward afterall.. when you read this, sorry pete_dushenski 1053464;1426410141;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/6CVzTvh0 1053465;1426410142;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As of AD 347694 I am funkenst - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/18NN0Wj ) 1053466;1426410250;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Edit your GPG conf file to switch from SHA1 to a better message digest 1053467;1426410298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89375 @ 0.00033007 = 29.5 BTC [+] {2} 1053468;1426410326;funkenstein_;Boingo, thanks 1053469;1426410349;mircea_popescu;yeah he has a point. 1053470;1426410356;mircea_popescu;not an emergency but good policy. 1053471;1426410388;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ 513907ffabf37400c98cef54214760aad78b8c4c6326637327963bb15541a9e3 1053472;1426410393;BingoBoingo;Best to fix before you've signed too many things 1053473;1426410400;mircea_popescu;lemme know how that goes. 1053474;1426410436;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know what just occured to me ? it's damned incredible just how *captivating* b-a has become, coupla years later. 1053475;1426410528;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously. It is a publicly readable resource of unparalleled quality which only became possible because Bitcoin 1053476;1426410572;cazalla;there's not enough people here though, we need mass adoption! 1053477;1426410574;funkenstein_;received, where would you like your logs sir :) 1053478;1426410578;mircea_popescu;but not only that. guy wanders in, right ? next it's, show us your tits, write for qntra, fix your gpg, install derpsd on your router and by the way, here's somethign to do with the wife anbd her girlfriend : http://40.media.tumblr.com/f0adef7a73bdeabaad1a54cc4b3020af/tumblr_n18vegUWed1trdyvco1_1280.jpg 1053479;1426410579;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18NO4cK ) 1053480;1426410591;mircea_popescu;a rabit hole the likes of this has not yet existed i dun think. 1053481;1426410599;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ you hold on to them. 1053482;1426410623;mircea_popescu;kinda what being a broker entails. 1053483;1426410666;Adlai;funkenstein_: if he'd asked you to transfer them on his behalf, you would subsequently have to comply with MSB regulations 1053484;1426410670;BingoBoingo; but not only that. guy wanders in, right ? next it's, show us your tits, write for qntra, fix your gpg, install derpsd on your router and by the way, here's somethign to do with the wife anbd her girlfriend : http://40.media.tumblr.com/f0adef7a73bdeabaad1a54cc4b3020af/tumblr_n18vegUWed1trdyvco1_1280.jpg << Why collar chains and not chains on the lissing buttplugs 1053485;1426410672;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18NOjog ) 1053486;1426410691;mircea_popescu;Adlai he would ? 1053487;1426410697;*;Adlai does naught but jest 1053488;1426410702;funkenstein_;lol 1053489;1426410708;mircea_popescu;check it out, logs are currency too nao! 1053490;1426410735;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i dunno man. guy's own preference ? 1053491;1426410749;kakobrekla;print more logs! 1053492;1426410766;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla clearly the value of the logs can only go up up up. 1053493;1426410781;kakobrekla;hehe 1053494;1426410788;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla want some ? 1053495;1426410814;kakobrekla;am i not stacked up* 1053496;1426410823;*;Adlai gets his greenpeace guy on the line... save the rainforest! arrest the evil loggers! 1053497;1426410827;mircea_popescu;lol. yeah, you got a great rack matic! 1053498;1426410828;funkenstein_;b-a logs need monetizing too? 1053499;1426410839;BingoBoingo;Propaganda fanfic finally ended hpmor.com/chapter/122 with a Sparkling Unicorn princess who never needs to paint her nails 1053500;1426410840;Adlai;a log server could trade logs for logs 1053501;1426410840;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ it's an irresistible joke in there. 1053502;1426410847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38094 @ 0.0003303 = 12.5824 BTC [+] {2} 1053503;1426410868;mircea_popescu;oh, log of logs, that has such kindling in it! 1053504;1426410904;Adlai;it's all fun and games until somebody mentions faggots 1053505;1426410916;mircea_popescu;ho, nommo. 1053506;1426410919;funkenstein_;:o 1053507;1426410944;Adlai;!b 8 1053508;1426410945;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/39WTHAJ.txt ) 1053509;1426410987;mircea_popescu;"if she weighs the same as her tits she's made of logs, and therefore.... A WITCH!" 1053510;1426411022;mircea_popescu;i wonder if all of this will be as hysterically funny in the sober light of day. 1053511;1426411069;mircea_popescu;let's find out. 1053512;1426411101;*;funkenstein_ opens the shades 1053513;1426411134;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/myceliums-entropy-to-begin-shipping/ 1053514;1426411208;funkenstein_;frauduct <-- lol 1053515;1426411452;BingoBoingo;!s gavin 1053516;1426411453;assbot;546 results for 'gavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gavin 1053517;1426411688;BingoBoingo;;;later tell gavinandresen Behold history or repeat in doom http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html 1053518;1426411690;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRPjXg ) 1053519;1426411690;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1053520;1426411895;BingoBoingo;!up p15 1053521;1426412104;BingoBoingo;"ndeed, not long after the project started, complaints started rolling in about Theo. The final straw was that he told a developer (who was working on the pmax port) to stop "shoving [his; the developer's] cock down [his; theo's] throat." 1053522;1426412419;cazalla;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=576_1426401541 australian ver of american welfare queens 1053523;1426412420;assbot;LiveLeak.com - Welfare Lady Where i Live ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRQdmy ) 1053524;1426412433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106800 @ 0.00032959 = 35.2002 BTC [-] {2} 1053525;1426412592;BingoBoingo;!up Aquent 1053526;1426413165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00033511 = 6.6519 BTC [+] {2} 1053527;1426414080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60787 @ 0.00032903 = 20.0007 BTC [-] 1053528;1426415117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56590 @ 0.00032691 = 18.4998 BTC [-] {2} 1053529;1426417131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96850 @ 0.00032687 = 31.6574 BTC [+] {2} 1053530;1426418899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50122 @ 0.00032583 = 16.3313 BTC [-] 1053531;1426419570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68950 @ 0.00032556 = 22.4474 BTC [-] {2} 1053532;1426422803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44078 @ 0.00032381 = 14.2729 BTC [-] {2} 1053533;1426424877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115400 @ 0.00032984 = 38.0635 BTC [+] {2} 1053534;1426427134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76262 @ 0.00032844 = 25.0475 BTC [-] {2} 1053535;1426427195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20989 @ 0.0003331 = 6.9914 BTC [+] 1053536;1426429757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00033395 = 15.3951 BTC [+] {2} 1053537;1426431343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40191 @ 0.00033534 = 13.4776 BTC [+] 1053538;1426434393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67300 @ 0.00033596 = 22.6101 BTC [+] {2} 1053539;1426438394;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574816 < 2014 update: electrical engineering in the US has declined another 10% http://www.computerworld.com/article/2896721/electrical-engineering-employment-declines-nearly-10-but-developers-up-12.html 1053540;1426438394;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2014 18:01:39; decimation: Even in electrical and electronic engineering?an occupation that is right at the heart of high-tech innovation but that also has been heavily outsourced abroad?U.S. employment in 2013 declined to about 300,000, down 35,000 and over 10 percent, from 2012, and down from about 385,000 in 2002. Unemployment rates for electrical engineers rose to a surprisingly high 4.8 percent in 2013. 1053541;1426438396;assbot;Electrical engineering employment declines nearly 10%, but developers up 12% | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lfnuva ) 1053542;1426438419;decimation;" The number of people working as electrical engineers declined by 29,000 last year, continuing a long-standing trend, according to government data. " 1053543;1426438445;decimation;it's highly amusing that everyone wants to write software, but nobody wants to work on electronics 1053544;1426438499;decimation;" There were 1.235 million people working as software developers last year, and 271,000 electrical engineers, according to unpublished U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data. " 1053545;1426438563;decimation;I would venture to guess that 90% of those remaining 271,000 work directly or indirectly for usg 1053546;1426438678;decimation;!up ohhahh 1053547;1426438693;funkenstein_;well if you got some usd in your pocket... i guess you could say you work for the usg 1053548;1426438714;decimation;funkenstein_: yeah that's approximately true 1053549;1426438776;decimation;but I was insinuating that these EE's work either has official usg employees or sell products or labor directly to usg 1053550;1426438859;funkenstein_;paid to do very, or very little of general use 1053551;1426438998;funkenstein_;actually 1:4 ratio is less top heavy than I would have thought. 1053552;1426439395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63200 @ 0.00033857 = 21.3976 BTC [+] {2} 1053553;1426440728;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z1i9r/almost_1_year_ago_ubuffetbitcoin_bet_300btc_that/ << lulz 1053554;1426440920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00033472 = 17.8071 BTC [-] 1053555;1426441385;mircea_popescu;this is like the 3rd time i sent !up to assboy in pm. 1053556;1426441387;mircea_popescu;am i gay ? 1053557;1426441896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49002 @ 0.00033472 = 16.4019 BTC [-] 1053558;1426442570;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2015#1053544 << hardware has no css to be derping with. 1053559;1426442570;assbot;Logged on 15-03-2015 16:54:59; decimation: " There were 1.235 million people working as software developers last year, and 271,000 electrical engineers, according to unpublished U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data. " 1053560;1426442597;mircea_popescu;or moreover : hardware has lengthy history, hard to undo by a bunch of libertards. the person doing hardware css is known as "the cleaning lady" and doesn't get much pay. 1053561;1426442604;mircea_popescu;in software tho, easy to pretend. 1053562;1426442675;mircea_popescu;while i expect your 90% figure of ee's working for govt is only met if you actually count every us public company as an agency of the usg (a position not exactly undefensible, people still do the same to stuff like gazprom etc, notwithstanding the ru oligarchs actually have a lot more independence than the us "ceo"s of public corps), 1053563;1426442732;mircea_popescu;i am absolutely convinced that 99% of the soi dissant software engineers are in fact "web experts" of the "i dont no biari (i know a littel java.)" ilk 1053564;1426442835;thestringpuller;re 99%, this is actually true tho 1053565;1426442852;thestringpuller;in fact take a look at most "Enterprise Web Frameworks" 1053566;1426442858;thestringpuller;Java or Microsoft IIS stacks. 1053567;1426442876;thestringpuller;and wtf is Hardware CSS?!?!? 1053568;1426442903;thestringpuller;CSS is like a virus now. 1053569;1426442956;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller dude going through that reddit thing you posted. 1053570;1426442979;mircea_popescu;pretty much every single thing they say is wrong. how the fuck did conde nast manage to collect every idiot in america on the same site ?! 1053571;1426443000;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller hardware css is usually done with a broom, or a mop. 1053572;1426443786;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0AR7P6N << 66.90.121.133 can't decide if it's running googlebot off an iphone or it's really bingbot. 1053573;1426443787;assbot;dpaste: 0AR7P6N ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIe4gB ) 1053574;1426444317;decimation;in related news, apparently apple is going to fully drop qualcomm for intel http://www.itworld.com/article/2896796/intel-will-reportedly-land-apple-as-a-modem-chip-customer.html 1053575;1426444320;assbot;Intel will reportedly land Apple as a modem chip customer | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIgiwv ) 1053576;1426444350;decimation;which was reported only days after qualcom decided to buy back $15 bn shares http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/09/qualcomm-buyback-idUSL4N0WB52W20150309 1053577;1426444352;assbot; Qualcomm to buy back up to $15 bln of shares, raise dividend| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIgpbm ) 1053578;1426444400;decimation;qualcomm is a chumpatron fueled fully by indian 'engineers' on h1b visas, who are tricked into coming to live in san deigo with the hopes of being somebody 1053579;1426444437;mircea_popescu;modem chips tho. 1053580;1426444451;decimation;right, that's qualcomm's bread and butter 1053581;1426444459;mircea_popescu;but not a major thing for apple 1053582;1426444469;decimation;no, not for apple, but it is for qualcomm 1053583;1426444522;mircea_popescu;myeah. well... that and eudora lol 1053584;1426444587;decimation;did they buy eudora? 1053585;1426444592;mircea_popescu;of course... they sold ~3bn of chips last year. it may be that on the contrary, they told apple to pack it. 1053586;1426444614;decimation;possibly, and it's also probably the case that intel gave them a sweet deal 1053587;1426444632;decimation;(intel being another famous such chumpatron) 1053588;1426444903;mircea_popescu;here's something i don't understad. so, qualcomm side : in q4 2014 it announced a 2.4 bn deal with csr plc, to deliver chips. then in q1 2015 it announced massive share buyback. from apple side : they moved the modem chip order from qualcomm to intel. from csr site : 50mn operating profit on 1bn gross revenue. 1053589;1426444908;mircea_popescu;how the shit is this supposed to work ?! 1053590;1426444939;decimation;mircea_popescu: almost like there's an unseen third party operating in the background... 1053591;1426444964;mircea_popescu;but my point being : on the basis of an order from someone whose yearly gross revenue is 40% of the value of the order 1053592;1426444974;mircea_popescu;you proceed to buyback shares and ditch apple ? 1053593;1426444986;mircea_popescu;does anyone even do accounting anymore ? 1053594;1426445023;decimation;my information about qualcomm is that it is a pyramid: the white managers are all family/friends of the original founding class, and all the actual engineering staff are indians and chinese on indentured servitude visas 1053595;1426445035;mircea_popescu;well sure. 1053596;1426445046;decimation;I suspect that the managers are desperately trying to pretend that they know how to run a business 1053597;1426445075;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/0fc5b8a08b83b3740b8d048563ab85ff/tumblr_n3kq7fVmmK1tuliigo1_500.jpg << here's the typical us corp. 1053598;1426445077;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BIMPY5 ) 1053599;1426445090;mircea_popescu;7 "supervisors" to the injun. 1053600;1426445174;decimation;qualcomm is also fairly famous for hustling usg into favoring their CDMA chips over the european gsm alternative 1053601;1426445191;decimation;apparently the hustle isn't working very well 1053602;1426445204;mircea_popescu;i don't think the usians were going to use the same chips as europe no.matter.what. 1053603;1426445217;mircea_popescu;and besides, admit that europe invented the most important thing of the 80s ?! NOWAI 1053604;1426445233;decimation;probably not, but the mechanism used was an obscure battle over 'standards' 1053605;1426445261;mircea_popescu;right right. 1053606;1426445272;decimation;the chinese government isn't happy with qualcomm either http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/09/us-qualcomm-china-idUSBREA0803B20140109 1053607;1426445274;assbot; Qualcomm CEO says still in the dark on China antitrust probe| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1BINp82 ) 1053608;1426445317;decimation;basically their whole 'let's revolutionize the market with a standard' kinda worked for a few years, but gave enough time for everyone else to figure how how to kneecap qualcomm 1053609;1426445318;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/8c74e477d46abe27d83d2f63cf226702/tumblr_mg3dd7r6Xo1qlgsbyo1_1280.jpg << so fucking unfortunate that crepax died. i'd have absolutely loved a valentina-ish character for eulora. anyone know anyone who works in the style ? 1053610;1426445320;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BINuZF ) 1053611;1426445331;decimation;meanwhile they sat fat dumb and happy on their pile of cash and their wage-slaves 1053612;1426445370;mircea_popescu;decimation mebbe so. why would a us company care about china "antitrust probe" ? they can probe themselves up the ass. 1053613;1426445377;decimation;decimation: qualcomm recommendation: sell :) 1053614;1426445395;decimation;heh well, they care if they don't own their own fab and depend on chinese/taiwan to make their chips 1053615;1426445417;decimation;kinda like how the arabs realized they could ask for 50% of the oil revenue instead of a few pennies 1053616;1426445446;mircea_popescu;heh 1053617;1426445464;mircea_popescu;so badly managed, teh usg. 1053618;1426445491;decimation;they are good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory 1053619;1426445498;mircea_popescu;srsly. 1053620;1426445532;mircea_popescu;all this idiocy with "reindustrialize on shale oil" bs, when the correct avenue is directly obvious. ban chinese made electronics. problem solved. 1053621;1426445541;mircea_popescu;~all problems solved~ moreover. 1053622;1426445543;decimation;heh. 1053623;1426445561;decimation;that's actually a really good idea 1053624;1426445566;mircea_popescu;the turmoil this will induce in china takes it off the map. their military is very powerful in a defensive stance today. it will be offense capable in 2-3 decades, but it's not there yet. 1053625;1426445579;mircea_popescu;so, that'd be the end of that. new leap forward, etc. 1053626;1426445592;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the us suddenly has an economic basis. all those fabs need to be built right ? 1053627;1426445600;decimation;exactly 1053628;1426445603;mircea_popescu;1trn of expenditure in one quarter, no need to "stimulate" anythin 1053629;1426445623;mircea_popescu;but hey. "thank you for your leadership & we recognize each other for another 59 wasted minutes" 1053630;1426445623;decimation;and the knowledge that is/has been lost by engineers on how to manufacture stuff would be recovered 1053631;1426445633;mircea_popescu;yeah, today it is still recoverable 1053632;1426445636;mircea_popescu;in 2035... not. 1053633;1426445747;mircea_popescu;that'd be my presidential platform. 1 thing : electronic products are a point of strategic interest, may not be imported. cya 8 years later. 1053634;1426445874;ben_vulpes;i suppose that argetine protectionism isn't working because "argentines are a buncha retards". 1053635;1426445896;mircea_popescu;yes. 1053636;1426445959;mircea_popescu;it's a do or die sort of measure. either the country picks up, a la china, or else it goes to shit. 1053637;1426445966;mircea_popescu;when it's going to shit anyway... 1053638;1426445983;ben_vulpes;the position strikes me as simply trading government intervention in free markets in one form for another form. 1053639;1426445993;mircea_popescu;the importance of electing presidents that don't actually love the country. not in a motherly way, at any rate. 1053640;1426446013;ben_vulpes;blech, mothers 1053641;1426446020;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not like i'm running, you know ? but if i were, this'd be the play. not arguing the structure's not stupid. 1053642;1426446021;ben_vulpes;i mean, i love 'em, don't get me wrong. 1053643;1426446041;ben_vulpes;but they're not generally on my board 'cause they're mothers, you know? if they are on my board they're incidentally mothers. 1053644;1426446046;mircea_popescu;more along the lines of, "if you had to do surgery in the forest, how'd you go about it" 1053645;1426446053;ben_vulpes;i see it. 1053646;1426446070;mircea_popescu;"motherly" in the sense of, prioritizing survival over performance. 1053647;1426446075;mircea_popescu;the opposite is quite fatherly. 1053648;1426446104;ben_vulpes;i rather like that dichotomy. 1053649;1426446121;mircea_popescu;obviously it should alternate, however... us has been stuck on motherly for too long. 1053650;1426446139;funkenstein_;in a two fathers kind of way 1053651;1426446140;ben_vulpes;'tis the communist m.o. 1053652;1426446145;funkenstein_;happy mothers day y'all 1053653;1426446151;mircea_popescu;what, still ?! 1053654;1426446155;mircea_popescu;i thought it was a week ago 1053655;1426446171;ben_vulpes;it's may 10 you assholes 1053656;1426446196;mircea_popescu;fuck you i've been studiously ignoring the whole mother thing in favour of may 1st "young eager sluts" day forever. 1053657;1426446288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99350 @ 0.00034084 = 33.8625 BTC [+] {2} 1053658;1426446360;mircea_popescu;olr was that june 1st 1053659;1426446430;funkenstein_;lets compromise with milf day 1053660;1426446432;chetty;careful "young eager sluts" have a way of turning into mothers 1053661;1426446473;mircea_popescu;hehe 1053662;1426446498;mircea_popescu;i've heard such tale! 1053663;1426446593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117400 @ 0.00033463 = 39.2856 BTC [-] {2} 1053664;1426447142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00033458 = 18.3183 BTC [-] {2} 1053665;1426448118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172400 @ 0.00034169 = 58.9074 BTC [+] {2} 1053666;1426448449;ben_vulpes;'tis a happy ending. 1053667;1426448450;decimation;re: manufacturing < http://atomicdelights.com/blog/a-glimpse-at-how-the-apple-watch-is-made < an interesting (apple fanboi) take on how apple actually manufactures the watches 1053668;1426448451;assbot;How Apple Makes the Watch — Atomic Delights ... ( http://bit.ly/1baMB29 ) 1053669;1426448467;decimation;it's an interesting metalworking 101 1053670;1426448563;mircea_popescu;"Apple is the world's foremost manufacturer of goods. " 1053671;1426448567;mircea_popescu;lost me at 1st sentence. 1053672;1426448579;decimation;heh, well measured in bezzlars they kinda are 1053673;1426448648;decimation;it just turns out that making shiny baubles is way more profitable than making jet engines 1053674;1426448714;mircea_popescu;except they don't MANUFACTURE anything. 1053675;1426448766;mircea_popescu;"apple's the world's largest buyer of some classes of items. while not the largest in any class of any import, and not the largest buyer in any sort of general perspective, one could select some items by a criteria more or less alligned with "items apple buys" to make apple apear like the largest buyer of items apple buys" 1053676;1426448798;mircea_popescu;"it subsequently sells these" 1053677;1426448831;funkenstein_;stallman always did call apple products handcuffs didn't he 1053678;1426448881;decimation;mircea_popescu: except they don't MANUFACTURE anything. < it would be interesting to know how much of the manufacturing expertise lies in apple proper vs. its chinese contractors 1053679;1426448886;decimation;or german cnc millhouses 1053680;1426448894;mircea_popescu;right. 1053681;1426448925;mircea_popescu;in the same vein, it would be interesting to know how much of computing expertise lies in ibm as opposed to its gates contractors. 1053682;1426448926;mircea_popescu;right ? 1053683;1426448946;decimation;heh good point. 1053684;1426448950;mircea_popescu;i note they didn't drop foxconn just yet. 1053685;1426448973;decimation;yes apparently foxconn is doing quite well for apple, apparently there's no need for a 'competing vendor' 1053686;1426448974;mircea_popescu;in spite of what was it, elsa the she-fox going around endless rows of nude chinese pubescent girls with a whip and two cobras. 1053687;1426448991;mircea_popescu;so i would humbly suggest that the naked emperor lives in a cage. 1053688;1426449013;mircea_popescu;!up mollison 1053689;1426449043;mircea_popescu;anyway, im starting to get some appreciation of the chinese scam by now. 1053690;1426449068;mircea_popescu;the way foxconn is using apple as a detachable glove / investment point is exactly copied after the manner some chinese guys used "friedcat" / asicminer. 1053691;1426449117;mircea_popescu;basically, poor but smart chinese boy has figured out that if he uses dumb but prideful white boy as his own hand puppet, he can let HIM get all the "certifications" which are worthless anyway, then let HIM underwrite all the credit, which is what the investors want to do anyway, 1053692;1426449120;mircea_popescu;and then just walk. 1053693;1426449135;decimation;surely apple has seen this sort of thing coming 1053694;1426449171;mircea_popescu;people readily forget that the asicminer on mpex deal fell through once asicminer wouldn't sign properly. which was clear enoug writting in the wall in 2012 for mpex investors never went into it. and so... 1053695;1426449173;mircea_popescu;but anyway. 1053696;1426449243;decimation;I didn't realize that asicminer had courted mpex 1053697;1426449277;mircea_popescu;how about gigavps, for his bfl-will-deliver based items ? 1053698;1426449334;decimation;the asicminer guys delievered to some degree. why weren't they willing to actually have a real company with a real existence, rather than some guy on a forum thread? 1053699;1426449362;mircea_popescu;they weren't willing to sign. 1053700;1426449384;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, apple also delivered to some degree. that's not the contention. 1053701;1426449421;mircea_popescu;the fall guy, whether a natural or juridical person, is not "that which doesn't deliver at all". 1053702;1426449565;decimation;'pride goeth before destruction' 1053703;1426452510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76381 @ 0.00033452 = 25.551 BTC [-] 1053704;1426452571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40519 @ 0.0003335 = 13.5131 BTC [-] {2} 1053705;1426453486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56700 @ 0.00033347 = 18.9077 BTC [-] 1053706;1426453913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86955 @ 0.00034211 = 29.7482 BTC [+] {2} 1053707;1426453974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41645 @ 0.00034413 = 14.3313 BTC [+] {2} 1053708;1426454137;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/old-story/ 1053709;1426454714;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/heel-empire/ 1053710;1426454715;assbot;The Heel of Empire ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fm4rds ) 1053711;1426454768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213900 @ 0.00033177 = 70.9656 BTC [-] {3} 1053712;1426454828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 284 @ 0.00390998 = 1.1104 BTC [-] {6} 1053713;1426455927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159928 @ 0.00032523 = 52.0134 BTC [-] {2} 1053714;1426457451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00033673 = 17.2406 BTC [+] 1053715;1426457781;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ahjaha oglaf is becoming exquisitely better with time 1053716;1426459570;decimation;"gigavps i am highly confident in their ability to deliver" "gigavps per contracts i am having them sign" lolz 1053717;1426461355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75050 @ 0.00033399 = 25.0659 BTC [-] 1053718;1426462453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101200 @ 0.00033608 = 34.0113 BTC [+] {2} 1053719;1426462514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91403 @ 0.00034586 = 31.6126 BTC [+] {3} 1053720;1426463126;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: they aren't owned by conde nast anymore. but you make a great point tho. 1053721;1426463286;mircea_popescu;they aren't ? 1053722;1426463308;BingoBoingo;I think Conde at least still owns reddit in part. THing's a mess. 1053723;1426463335;mircea_popescu;well obviously the redditard notes holders own 99% 1053724;1426463342;mircea_popescu;rite ? 1053725;1426463443;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/31da596d1ce7e5a5a3517cdb6b4b5dbd/tumblr_mvywvy7ZQX1s0tgwso1_400.jpg << nose trick 1053726;1426463444;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18Q1O6V ) 1053727;1426463889;thestringpuller;i thought the reddittard notes project got cancelled by canning ryan x. javascript d00d 1053728;1426463903;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: i see now: http://allthingsd.com/20110906/conde-nast-spins-out-reddit-without-letting-go/ 1053729;1426463993;BingoBoingo;Oh the lols, Core devs should move to C# or Java https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z2l91/time_to_lobby_bitcoins_core_devs_sf_bitcoin_devs/cpfafex 1053730;1426463995;assbot;where_what_now comments on Time to lobby Bitcoin's core devs: "SF Bitcoin Devs Seminar -- Scalability to billions of transactions per day, satoshi-level Micropayments, near-zero risk of custodial theft, & Instant transactions"... but only w/ a malleability-fixing soft fork. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpDXsz ) 1053731;1426464123;thestringpuller;so people want to replace poop with smellier poop? 1053732;1426464238;BingoBoingo;Yah 1053733;1426464291;ben_vulpes;more implementations is a totally fine and good thing. 1053734;1426464341;mircea_popescu;!up AdrianoOliveira 1053735;1426464350;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller well i dunno, 've not been following so close. 1053736;1426464383;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the only problem is the notion that power rangers = "core", somehow. 1053737;1426464405;mircea_popescu;other than that, they probably should move to c# or w/e. 1053738;1426464419;mircea_popescu;ruby on trails. 1053739;1426464632;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yes a web framework 1053740;1426464635;ben_vulpes;grand notion 1053741;1426464649;ben_vulpes;rubby on my happy trail 1053742;1426464654;mircea_popescu;what could be better. 1053743;1426464665;mircea_popescu;plus it has native db support 1053744;1426464669;mircea_popescu;or somesuch 1053745;1426464720;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you're aware that this is actually a thing already, right? 1053746;1426464737;mircea_popescu;no, i wasn't. 1053747;1426464756;ben_vulpes;;;later tell asciilifeform http://ab-initio.mit.edu/wiki/index.php/Meep << any good? 1053748;1426464757;assbot;Meep - AbInitio ... ( http://bit.ly/18Q5ipR ) 1053749;1426464757;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1053750;1426464764;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: https://github.com/coinbase/toshi/blob/master/lib/toshi/models/block.rb 1053751;1426464765;assbot;toshi/block.rb at master · coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18Q5iX1 ) 1053752;1426464808;mircea_popescu;a well. 1053753;1426464811;ben_vulpes;my favorte part of rails projects is how they infrequently enforce things like foreign key constraints. 1053754;1426464830;ben_vulpes;"but you know you might want to move to a db that can't enforce constraints on itself like mongo, and then where would you be?" 1053755;1426464832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.0003227 = 22.6374 BTC [-] {2} 1053756;1426464839;ben_vulpes;well, up shit creek, but already and for other reasons. 1053757;1426464958;ben_vulpes;it's probably no worse than the satoshi codebase. 1053758;1426464970;ben_vulpes;(except for the part where its schema is defined by the ruby orm) 1053759;1426464997;mircea_popescu;not clear that satoshi even has a defined schema 1053760;1426465104;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/coinbase/toshi/issues/152 1053761;1426465105;assbot;Toshi Stops Gets stuck on initial Sync · Issue #152 · coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18Q6f1E ) 1053762;1426465136;ben_vulpes;it has c structs that get derped into whatever c db a given version is using 1053763;1426465213;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/coinbase/toshi/issues/121 << i'm chuckling 1053764;1426465215;assbot;Toshi stops syncing at 15 GB · Issue #121 · coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18Q6sle ) 1053765;1426465269;ben_vulpes;that's enough for me 1053766;1426465491;mircea_popescu;cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net < any idea what the peak yest was ? 1053767;1426465492;assbot; Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2UsSv ) 1053768;1426465560;cazalla;mircea_popescu, good chunk would've been from reddit 1053769;1426465572;mircea_popescu;o the usms thing 1053770;1426465572;mircea_popescu;yea 1053771;1426465632;cazalla;yeah, but considering that it was floating around the #3 - #5 spot on /r/bitcoin, it's quite poor 1053772;1426465671;mircea_popescu;bout what reddit's worth i thought. 1053773;1426465747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00032862 = 8.7084 BTC [+] 1053774;1426465836;thestringpuller;not a lot of news these days :( 1053775;1426465922;cazalla;the past week has been quiet which is why so many of the other sites turn to altcoins stories to use as filler content 1053776;1426465954;thestringpuller;qntra don't need no filla 1053777;1426466069;cazalla;once you cut the obvious press releases, vc's funded such and such company and altcoin news, there isn't much to choose from on quiet weeks 1053778;1426466113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143798 @ 0.00032565 = 46.8278 BTC [-] {2} 1053779;1426466296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9697 @ 0.00032266 = 3.1288 BTC [-] 1053780;1426466308;cazalla;if anyone does have suggestions as to what type of content they would like to see on Qntra, i'm all ears 1053781;1426467882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35670 @ 0.00032103 = 11.4511 BTC [-] {2} 1053782;1426468293;mircea_popescu;quiet weeks are quiet weeks 1053783;1426469546;thestringpuller;wow mircea_popescu just read Old Story 1053784;1426469773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00032405 = 4.6825 BTC [+] 1053785;1426469797;thestringpuller;http://iamjamesgibson.com/working-together << lol 1053786;1426469856;mircea_popescu;heh. 1053787;1426470688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130121 @ 0.00032173 = 41.8638 BTC [-] {4} 1053788;1426471054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154968 @ 0.00032 = 49.5898 BTC [-] 1053789;1426471725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30235 @ 0.00032 = 9.6752 BTC [-] 1053790;1426473006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64450 @ 0.00032 = 20.624 BTC [-] 1053791;1426473027;nubbins`;!up pete_dushenski 1053792;1426473034;pete_dushenski;thx! 1053793;1426473042;nubbins`;np 1053794;1426473076;pete_dushenski;so let's kick this evening off with a little scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/15/emancipation-shemancipation-independence-shmindependence/ 1053795;1426473078;assbot;Emancipation shemancipation, independence shmindependence. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYB1WF ) 1053796;1426473126;pete_dushenski;oh, and http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/14/the-world-is-fundamentally-hostile/ 1053797;1426473127;assbot;The world is fundamentally hostile. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYB5px ) 1053798;1426473167;pete_dushenski;in summa: jamaica sucks and is a bit bitter about it. 1053799;1426473336;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2015#1053463 << yes. the logs are muddied by my earlier indiscretions. 1053800;1426473336;assbot;Logged on 15-03-2015 08:54:25; cazalla: ah bitcoin pete edited the text to fix spelling errors so nothing untoward afterall.. when you read this, sorry pete_dushenski 1053801;1426473910;thestringpuller;yay its a pete_dushenski 1053802;1426473924;pete_dushenski;howdy howdy 1053803;1426473976;pete_dushenski;on some veeeery slow internet here 1053804;1426473991;pete_dushenski;last night in bobmarleyland :) 1053805;1426474463;pete_dushenski;cazalla BingoBoingo thestringpuller qntra fodder: http://yahoo.tumblr.com/post/113708033335/user-focused-security-end-to-end-encryption 1053806;1426474464;assbot;User-Focused Security: End-to-End Encryption... | Yahoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bnjk9m ) 1053807;1426474498;pete_dushenski;"openpgp-based" 1053808;1426474513;*;thestringpuller looks 1053809;1426474514;pete_dushenski;because hushmail didn't do that a decade ago or whatever 1053810;1426474520;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski lol 1053811;1426474537;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: pretty much! 1053812;1426474548;thestringpuller;this is a new push for "Encryption as a Service" 1053813;1426474556;thestringpuller;which is fucktarded to say the least 1053814;1426474582;pete_dushenski;hey, if car cleaning is a service... 1053815;1426474587;thestringpuller;http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/encryption-as-a-service-EaaS << how can you even trust this? 1053816;1426474594;mircea_popescu;car cleanning doesn't randomly switch your tires out with popsicles. 1053817;1426474600;thestringpuller;^- omg this 1053818;1426474631;pete_dushenski;lol 1053819;1426474651;pete_dushenski;or line the doors with drugs and send you to "a friend's house" 1053820;1426474758;thestringpuller;Is this really the only thing coming out of SXSW?!? 1053821;1426474782;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/3b0cb0bfcc9e0e9b908b9852b3d6028e/tumblr_mnz52chA1r1sp79mwo1_500.gif masturbation is fun 1053822;1426474784;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bnk524 ) 1053823;1426474828;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: and some lulzy 'anti-robot' demonstration 1053824;1426474848;thestringpuller;!up pete_dushenski 1053825;1426474857;pete_dushenski;thx! 1053826;1426474892;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: fun and productive! 1053827;1426474906;mircea_popescu;sxsw! 1053828;1426474973;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: you forgot Carrie First Bitcoin Pedicab Driver! 1053829;1426474997;pete_dushenski;eh ? 1053830;1426475010;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: mad! 1053831;1426475018;thestringpuller;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct8uBO6ir3M 1053832;1426475019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.0003221 = 7.972 BTC [+] 1053833;1426475044;thestringpuller;she's already made a whole bitcoin in tipping! LOL. 1053834;1426475143;pete_dushenski;not bad, not bad. 1053835;1426475251;cazalla;wow, i want to punch that guy in the face after 5 seconds of that video 1053836;1426475313;pete_dushenski;well, his fragile ego is but an angry tweet away 1053837;1426475397;pete_dushenski;relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LABGimhsEys 1053838;1426475398;assbot;Celebrities Read Mean Tweets #8 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnrkNL ) 1053839;1426475629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00032098 = 20.7514 BTC [-] {2} 1053840;1426475643;cazalla;thestringpuller, i bet the majority of tips came from people who didn't even get a ride.. 1 btc, almost worth the time to contrive a similar video 1053841;1426477276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152771 @ 0.00032552 = 49.73 BTC [+] {2} 1053842;1426477337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92829 @ 0.00032862 = 30.5055 BTC [+] 1053843;1426477520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00031984 = 10.2988 BTC [-] {2} 1053844;1426477883;BingoBoingo;Some midnight Havelol rumors https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=991172.0 1053845;1426477883;assbot;HAVELOCK tried to BRIBE ME! ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnroXM ) 1053846;1426477947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00032767 = 18.3168 BTC [+] 1053847;1426479411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122849 @ 0.00032957 = 40.4873 BTC [+] {3} 1053848;1426481058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00033021 = 12.3333 BTC [+] 1053849;1426481668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79424 @ 0.00033021 = 26.2266 BTC [+] 1053850;1426482034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118700 @ 0.00031985 = 37.9662 BTC [-] {3} 1053851;1426482278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73843 @ 0.00031938 = 23.584 BTC [-] {2} 1053852;1426482766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8273 @ 0.00031731 = 2.6251 BTC [-] 1053853;1426483864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22222 @ 0.00031655 = 7.0344 BTC [-] 1053854;1426484957;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/Nahyeni/status/572123280724914176 1053855;1426484959;assbot;when i saw this i realized all my friendships fake http://t.co/AUFdNX2Ab9 1053856;1426485389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14890 @ 0.00031655 = 4.7134 BTC [-] 1053857;1426485511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157100 @ 0.00032061 = 50.3678 BTC [+] {4} 1053858;1426485816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16004 @ 0.00031646 = 5.0646 BTC [-] {2} 1053859;1426486304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0142789 = 2.8558 BTC [+] {7} 1053860;1426486426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64600 @ 0.00032821 = 21.2024 BTC [+] {2} 1053861;1426486975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70745 @ 0.0003295 = 23.3105 BTC [+] {2} 1053862;1426487280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163073 @ 0.00031561 = 51.4675 BTC [-] {2} 1053863;1426487951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122850 @ 0.00031214 = 38.3464 BTC [-] {3} 1053864;1426489231;mircea_popescu;!up aegis 1053865;1426489797;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "errying LEGAL that touches x will touch you too!!11" omfg who let the shamans out of africa. 1053866;1426489815;mircea_popescu;now we gotta contend with legavoodoo 1053867;1426489829;BingoBoingo;Wurst Voodoo 1053868;1426489872;mircea_popescu;in other news, nude dancer girl. http://40.media.tumblr.com/2d3ae273a07e14008e974530cfc47012/tumblr_n2ejftciH81s8rc6go1_1280.jpg 1053869;1426489873;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClZMJF ) 1053870;1426490261;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1053871;1426490289;Vexual;hey hey hey 1053872;1426490891;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1053873;1426490898;Vexual;pete_d did you see the total recall 3 tittie in negril? 1053874;1426490940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52354 @ 0.00031887 = 16.6941 BTC [+] 1053875;1426490957;Vexual;me thinks one was a fat roll, but still.. 1053876;1426491069;Vexual;cant beat some bootleg ska 1053877;1426491120;Vexual;banned on the internet and shit 1053878;1426491823;cazalla;fluffypony, are you vegan? 1053879;1426491833;fluffypony;cazalla: no, my wife is 1053880;1426491851;*;fluffypony couldn't be bothered 1053881;1426491852;cazalla;i just saw that pop by on twitter, that's why i ask :P 1053882;1426491862;fluffypony;I love animals, but not enough to change my diet 1053883;1426491909;cazalla;i love them too because they are so tasty 1053884;1426492133;Vexual;^ 1053885;1426492180;fluffypony;lol 1053886;1426492287;Vexual;!up BingoBoingo 1053887;1426492556;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/amid-decision-to-close-allcrypt-com-reports-hot-wallet-theft/ 1053888;1426492659;cazalla;i sometimes wonder if the guys who set up these two bit exchanges get frustrated at having lost money after a year despite an expectation they would get bought out and so decide to just steal their users instead so they can sleep well at night thinking they got that illusive 6 billion dorrah google buy out 1053889;1426492949;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1053890;1426492979;mircea_popescu;just about. 1053891;1426493038;mircea_popescu;if you go through the insanities they [used to] drop on the forum, the way unemployed/unemployable css derp sees the matter is, "he put 1000 hours worth 100 dollars each into the thing that is not really worth anything. so how about the users split the damage ?" 1053892;1426493066;mircea_popescu;that his hours aren't worth anything isn't a point he's well inclined to grasp under torture, let alone figure out on his own. 1053893;1426493076;mircea_popescu;that the site isn't worth anything FOR THAT REASON idem. 1053894;1426493441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34839 @ 0.00033187 = 11.562 BTC [+] 1053895;1426493524;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ 1053896;1426493746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61321 @ 0.00033187 = 20.3506 BTC [+] 1053897;1426494051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151000 @ 0.00033187 = 50.1124 BTC [+] 1053898;1426494356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16146 @ 0.00032131 = 5.1879 BTC [-] 1053899;1426494859;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1053900;1426495199;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM7RcgZ1pLE 1053901;1426495271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23954 @ 0.00031273 = 7.4911 BTC [-] 1053902;1426495466;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VrQqN6-ZsY heading west 1053903;1426495583;Vexual;momma wont like it 1053904;1426495900;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MnUKlujqHk 1053905;1426495993;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ 1053906;1426496491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41178 @ 0.00031579 = 13.0036 BTC [+] 1053907;1426496581;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ 1053908;1426496716;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1053909;1426496979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93500 @ 0.0003309 = 30.9392 BTC [+] {2} 1053910;1426497223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00031229 = 11.9607 BTC [-] {2} 1053911;1426497256;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1053912;1426497599;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAzlNJonO8 yo ks 1053913;1426497668;Vexual;KRS1 1053914;1426497711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32781 @ 0.00033187 = 10.879 BTC [+] 1053915;1426497723;Vexual;marlestromers 1053916;1426497894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176778 @ 0.00033188 = 58.6691 BTC [+] {2} 1053917;1426498115;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W5pq4bIzIw 1053918;1426498358;Vexual;()(())() 1053919;1426498382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00033301 = 15.0521 BTC [+] 1053920;1426498458;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hyD2yAZFwE 1053921;1426498550;Vexual;6a011168547078970c017d430f5600970c-800wi 1053922;1426498809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122150 @ 0.00033363 = 40.7529 BTC [+] {4} 1053923;1426498931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153322 @ 0.00033292 = 51.044 BTC [-] 1053924;1426500517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17793 @ 0.00031064 = 5.5272 BTC [-] 1053925;1426501432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96086 @ 0.00031022 = 29.8078 BTC [-] {2} 1053926;1426501555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79400 @ 0.00031 = 24.614 BTC [-] 1053927;1426503262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 223358 @ 0.00030966 = 69.165 BTC [-] {4} 1053928;1426503689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.0003094 = 16.8932 BTC [-] {3} 1053929;1426503750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00031333 = 12.5019 BTC [+] 1053930;1426506251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104700 @ 0.00031226 = 32.6936 BTC [-] 1053931;1426506678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57050 @ 0.00031341 = 17.88 BTC [+] {2} 1053932;1426507471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00031356 = 9.9085 BTC [+] 1053933;1426507715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26560 @ 0.00031356 = 8.3282 BTC [+] 1053934;1426508149;danielpbarron;height=280974 vs height=210695 1053935;1426508203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48901 @ 0.00031356 = 15.3334 BTC [+] 1053936;1426508630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96050 @ 0.000319 = 30.64 BTC [+] {2} 1053937;1426508832;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=984312.0 1053938;1426508833;assbot;[WTS] Rare coffee brands ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpMWYb ) 1053939;1426508842;nubbins`;"rare" = dark-roasted robusta o.O 1053940;1426508851;nubbins`;oh and force-fed weasel poop 1053941;1426509426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69900 @ 0.00032214 = 22.5176 BTC [+] 1053942;1426509766;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/TU8FPFv.jpg 1053943;1426509768;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpP16D ) 1053944;1426509915;mike_c;I'm picturing a guy standing there scratching his head wondering how he's going to get the X he needs that's in the bottom of that box. 1053945;1426509939;chetty;box o kitty :) 1053946;1426510216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77100 @ 0.00031717 = 24.4538 BTC [-] {2} 1053947;1426510289;davout;http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-march-15th-2015-statement/ 1053948;1426510290;assbot;X.EUR March 15th 2015 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQ4Ub ) 1053949;1426510307;scoopbot;New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-march-15th-2015-statement/ 1053950;1426510316;davout;o a scoopbot 1053951;1426510353;nubbins`;setting up ARM cross-compile toolchain on osx is no fun 1053952;1426510386;nubbins`;anyway, for those still trying to build linux for pogo 1053953;1426510387;nubbins`;http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=5062 1053954;1426510388;assbot;Arch Linux ARM • View topic - [GUIDE] Re-building the kernel(3.7.8) and U-Boot (2013.01) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQgCD ) 1053955;1426510391;nubbins`;might have some tips 1053956;1426510400;davout;!up deedbot- 1053957;1426510412;davout;deedbot-: add-deed http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-march-15th-2015-statement/ 1053958;1426510414;assbot;X.EUR March 15th 2015 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1FpBYmV ) 1053959;1426510414;deedbot-;No messages were found. 1053960;1426510419;davout;hrm 1053961;1426510484;nubbins`;anyway there's 35cm of snow on the ground since i went to bed 1053962;1426510486;davout;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2RYHB2R.txt 1053963;1426510487;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FpCly6 ) 1053964;1426510487;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1053965;1426510488;nubbins`;guess i'll shovel a way out 1053966;1426510650;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z7agl/i_just_watched_the_deep_web_film_premiere_at_sxsw/ 1053967;1426510652;assbot;I just watched the Deep Web film premiere at SXSW. Huge audience, mainstream production (Alex Winters directed and Keanu Reeves narrated) and the film was pro-Silk Road, anti-war on drugs, and pro-Ross Ulbricht. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQMR8 ) 1053968;1426510667;nubbins`;FWIW, alex winter and keanu reeves are precisely Bill & Ted (of Excellent Adventure fame) 1053969;1426511741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78005 @ 0.00032241 = 25.1496 BTC [+] {2} 1053970;1426512362;Adlai;woah 1053971;1426512473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19061 @ 0.00032293 = 6.1554 BTC [+] 1053972;1426515184;thestringpuller;;;calc 3400 * 0.004 1053973;1426515184;gribble;13.6 1053974;1426516340;Adlai;adventures in the modern communism: my reserve salary just barely covers 'national insurance' (the less-dysfunctional zionist sibling of 'social security')... there is a certain measure of logic in this 1053975;1426516377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103600 @ 0.0003223 = 33.3903 BTC [-] 1053976;1426516425;thestringpuller;$conference 1053977;1426516815;thestringpuller;nubbins` would like Bill and Ted 1053978;1426516987;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 273 @ 0.00408313 = 1.1147 BTC [-] {6} 1053979;1426516992;nubbins`;what's a reserve salary 1053980;1426516999;nubbins`;wait, hold on 1053981;1426517008;nubbins`;like army reserves? 1053982;1426517048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114250 @ 0.00032342 = 36.9507 BTC [+] 1053983;1426517213;nubbins`;http://images.scribblelive.com/2015/3/16/e05b5208-da38-4619-8d16-28e4d12f4f9c.jpg 1053984;1426517214;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fs4Qvh ) 1053985;1426517217;nubbins`;http://images.scribblelive.com/2015/3/16/a21f0c98-5b87-44b4-8894-8fa273bf1701.jpg 1053986;1426517218;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fs4S6r ) 1053987;1426517406;davout;nubbins`: wow 1053988;1426517446;nubbins`;cops are straight-up telling people to stay off the roads 1053989;1426517663;nubbins`;oh, so putin is back! 1053990;1426517694;nubbins`;http://tiviseries.mobi/wp-content/uploads/alina-kabayeva-photos-3.jpg 1053991;1426517695;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fs6f4S ) 1053992;1426517695;dignork;Adlai: it makes absolute sense from libertarian point of view - army conscription is a form of slavery... 1053993;1426517697;nubbins`;^ relevant 1053994;1426518430;Adlai;yes nubbins` army reserve duty, you get paid for it... dignork this is more like "show up for reserves and בט"ל is on the house" 1053995;1426518494;dignork;Adlai: also free food, and place to sleep, as for any proper slave. 1053996;1426518538;dignork;Adlai: oh, forgot a standard robe. 1053997;1426518560;Adlai;and an axe! 1053998;1426518738;Adlai;so, seeing as hpmor even got mentioned here, i eventually ventured over to read a bit of it... all else aside, the writing itself stinks just like the canon 1053999;1426518780;*;Adlai can't find the exact quote but some literary pundit, when asked "but isn't it great that kids are reading [harry potter] instead of watching TV?" responded that he'd rather they watch tv than read such garbage 1054000;1426518893;Adlai;complete with SHOUTING whenever the author can't find sufficiently expressive words in http://simple.wikipedia.org 1054001;1426518894;assbot;Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fs9NEt ) 1054002;1426519125;Adlai;yet silver lines eternal, and the excursion yielded http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/tagged/Hariezer-Yudotter/chrono (drunk physicist reaction rage, by chapter) 1054003;1426519126;assbot;Wading In ... ( http://bit.ly/1AvEwux ) 1054004;1426519427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00032342 = 19.9065 BTC [+] 1054005;1426519732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39407 @ 0.00032342 = 12.745 BTC [+] 1054006;1426519890;PeterL;got a job offer today, pays 25% less than I was making before I got laid off :/ 1054007;1426520148;thestringpuller;anyone see this sms 2fa bug on coinbase? 1054008;1426520281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110700 @ 0.00032383 = 35.848 BTC [+] {2} 1054009;1426520294;nubbins`;i'm glad the new imgur iOS app has disabled upload functionality 1054010;1426520304;nubbins`;it was previously much too convenient to upload phone snaps 1054011;1426520342;nubbins`;anyway. just shovelled. http://imgur.com/J410t43 1054012;1426520343;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FseldK ) 1054013;1426520357;nubbins`;that horizontal line is where the sidewalk ends and the road begins 1054014;1426520769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14264 @ 0.00032399 = 4.6214 BTC [+] 1054015;1426520952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222513 @ 0.00032338 = 71.9563 BTC [-] {2} 1054016;1426520982;mats;;;tslb 1054017;1426520992;gribble;Time since last block: 21 minutes and 42 seconds 1054018;1426521012;mats;;;bc,stats 1054019;1426521016;gribble;Current Blocks: 347874 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 893 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47028279381.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.84186 1054020;1426521213;thestringpuller;any qntra editors awake? 1054021;1426521343;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z7fvl/2fa_on_coinbase_and_other_exchanges_using_authy/cpgdj8u wow these people are so stupid 1054022;1426522757;mircea_popescu;Global Innovation8:22 am 19 KiBLooking for $5M funding or above? 1054023;1426522759;mircea_popescu;ahem. 1054024;1426523044;nubbins`;actually i'm only looking for 4.9mn 1054025;1426523048;nubbins`;i'll look elsewhere 1054026;1426523115;nubbins`;mildly unrelated, if i can help it, pink eye will never accept funds or loans from outside investors 1054027;1426523131;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1054028;1426523184;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1054029;1426523201;nubbins`;oopsie 1054030;1426523223;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski yo, did you see http://brendafernandez.com/ ? i guess it goes to ben_vulpes too. 1054031;1426523225;assbot;Brenda Blog | ~ Not your average bitcoin girl ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVpLrs ) 1054032;1426523225;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1054033;1426523240;nubbins`;;;calc 60*28 1054034;1426523241;gribble;1680 1054035;1426523252;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: 'meep' electromagnetic... << i must confess that i never tried 1054036;1426523256;mircea_popescu;nubbins` here's the kicker : "If your company meets theses requirements, fill in the form below and we'll be in..." 1054037;1426523271;nubbins`;lel 1054038;1426523279;nubbins`;requirements: must want $5mn+ 1054039;1426523288;ascii_field;encryption-as-a-service << that has to be a piece from 'the onion' 1054040;1426523301;nubbins`;marriage consummation as a service 1054041;1426523305;ascii_field;^ 1054042;1426523315;nubbins`;^ this, i WILL accept outside funding 1054043;1426523321;ascii_field;supposedly, quasi-mythically, existed on some pacific island 1054044;1426523344;nubbins`;was it the one where they used wood^H^H^H^Hstone bitcoin 1054045;1426523359;mircea_popescu;ascii_field remember how some idiot was offering this in 2012 and we laughed him out ? well... the vc circus picked it up. because that's what they do, they feed off our offal. 1054046;1426523424;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/GYNidM1 1054047;1426523425;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/18xMlIW ) 1054048;1426523430;nubbins`;pat canning, what an artist 1054049;1426523602;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: her sense of humor is my cup of tea 1054050;1426523629;thestringpuller;I wonder if she'll come to the conference 1054051;1426523648;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: they feed off it, yes, and i suppose they split its atoms because they are very well-fed from it. 1054052;1426523659;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-112020 i suspect hte answer is "definitely". 1054053;1426523660;assbot;The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVrflA ) 1054054;1426523691;mircea_popescu;hey, maybe you two could get together! token black guy with token TV hitching it at 3rd conference'd be the tits. 1054055;1426523733;nubbins`;mircea_popescu "Bitcoin es una forma de arte superior" 1054056;1426523739;nubbins`;now you know how i ended up here ;p 1054057;1426523742;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i happen to agree, fwiwi. 1054058;1426523761;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. so that makes three of us, like supermajority of those that got it ? 1054059;1426523836;nubbins`;while i reserve the term "elegance" for things much, much simpler in execution than the flaming turdball of code, it completely applies to Bitcooin as a concept 1054060;1426523865;mircea_popescu;well, let me put it this way : 1054061;1426523909;mircea_popescu;you write a play, and this company wants to do it. they're an odd couple really, not much of a staging company. he's on three different mental meds, she's a crack whore. they make the scenery out of chewed up used tissue. 1054062;1426523919;mircea_popescu;now, if your play manages to shine through all that and bring down the house 1054063;1426523927;nubbins`;what a play it must be! 1054064;1426523937;mircea_popescu;i'm calling it elegant. because fuck you, i'm a dragon and im out of words. 1054065;1426523978;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it's rather reminiscent of the first h-bomb. the one that needed a dedicated building with h2 liquifaction cryoplant 1054066;1426523982;nubbins`;no joke, in my cubicle life, the christmas social/dinner/dance was called (i'm really not making this up) an ELEGANZA. 1054067;1426523998;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. buncha octogenarian canadians! 1054068;1426524001;ascii_field;it is interesting to contemplate what 'cold war' would have looked like if the portable variant had never been built 1054069;1426524002;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yup 1054070;1426524017;ascii_field;where h-bomb is either a fat ship or stationary on land 1054071;1426524030;nubbins`;stationary ones much less useful as offensive weapons 1054072;1426524037;mircea_popescu;altho natural engineering has over software engineering this marked advantage, that the horse will throw you off, whereas epistula non erubescit. 1054073;1426524051;ascii_field;nubbins`: not necessarily. can always build it in the enemy's capital, a bit at a time 1054074;1426524071;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that only works in dreams. 1054075;1426524073;nubbins`;worked for tiananmen square ;p 1054076;1426524085;nubbins`;granted, that was a statue, not a compicated piece of machinery 1054077;1426524094;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it works, sorta, if parts fit in diplo-pouches 1054078;1426524115;nubbins`;lead-shielded diplo-pouches 1054079;1426524118;ascii_field;(it is widely believed that us embassy in ru, and ru in us, contain nyookz) 1054080;1426524121;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of, couldn't, physically, be done. it's a matter of couldn't socially be done. 1054081;1426524135;mircea_popescu;much the same reason vc idiots could do anything, choose to feed off our discarded tissue 1054082;1426524146;mircea_popescu;(if anyone still wondered what the crab bus was a metaphor for) 1054083;1426524165;ascii_field;what next, argue that dung beetle should eat fillet mignon? he does just fine with shit 1054084;1426524177;mircea_popescu;so do your people. 1054085;1426524190;mircea_popescu;which is why they're not doing this, or any other of a number of plans that start with 1054086;1426524197;mircea_popescu;"first, you need X smart, determined people" 1054087;1426524222;ascii_field;l0l 1054088;1426524227;mircea_popescu;the smart are undetermined. the determined are busy playing football. 1054089;1426524238;mircea_popescu;only so much bw in the neural stem. 1054090;1426524241;nubbins`;http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/212/a/a/tardigrade_propaganda_4_by_theophontes-d598ubp.jpg 1054091;1426524242;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVtmWs ) 1054092;1426524247;nubbins`;tardigrades make me feel funny 1054093;1426524249;ascii_field;as al schwartz put it, 'don't invest if the conveyor has to be staffed with ph.d.'s' 1054094;1426524368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89513 @ 0.00032515 = 29.1052 BTC [+] {2} 1054095;1426524456;nubbins`;http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1001206,00.html 1054096;1426524457;assbot;Was Russia Hiding an Atom Bomb at Embassy in Washington? - TIME ... ( http://bit.ly/18xQPPJ ) 1054097;1426524477;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1054098;1426524543;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053934 almost htere. 1054099;1426524543;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 12:15:49; danielpbarron: height=280974 vs height=210695 1054100;1426524559;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053939 << shut up it's handlasered. 1054101;1426524559;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 12:27:22; nubbins`: "rare" = dark-roasted robusta o.O 1054102;1426524568;nubbins`;haha 1054103;1426524576;nubbins`;don't even get me started on the fucking civet coffee 1054104;1426524629;nubbins`;(know what doesn't produce good coffee? force-feeding cherries to parasite-infested weasels) 1054105;1426524641;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053950 << seems to be working nao! 1054106;1426524641;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 12:51:56; davout: o a scoopbot 1054107;1426524707;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053968 << ahaha 1054108;1426524707;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 12:57:47; nubbins`: FWIW, alex winter and keanu reeves are precisely Bill & Ted (of Excellent Adventure fame) 1054109;1426524720;mircea_popescu;ascii_field : "Huge audience, mainstream production (Alex Winters directed and Keanu Reeves narrated) and the film was pro-Silk Road, anti-war on drugs, and pro-Ross Ulbricht" 1054110;1426524730;ascii_field;wat. 1054111;1426524732;mircea_popescu;there you go. culture war : won. only took like 3-4 years, too. 1054112;1426524747;ascii_field;'won' is when enemy sits down on stake 1054113;1426524748;mircea_popescu;if anyone's not petrified in fear yet, it'd be because they're either innocent or an imbecile. 1054114;1426524757;mircea_popescu;culture war not buttsex war yo. 1054115;1426524758;ascii_field;not 'made fun of half-heartedly in film' 1054116;1426524776;mircea_popescu;not what happened there by any stretch. 1054117;1426524997;nubbins`;"mainstream production" 1054118;1426524998;nubbins`;lel 1054119;1426524999;nubbins`;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935664/#director 1054120;1426525001;assbot;Alex Winter - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVw5iI ) 1054121;1426525009;nubbins`;just look at all those things you've heard of 1054122;1426525283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00032643 = 10.0704 BTC [+] 1054123;1426525464;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1054124;1426525472;nubbins`;;;calc 60*30 1054125;1426525472;gribble;1800 1054126;1426525493;nubbins`;ascii_field you're set for the day 1054127;1426525498;nubbins`;or until my computer sleeps 1054128;1426525526;ascii_field;ty nubbins`. 1054129;1426525537;*;ascii_field finally caught up on log, even 1054130;1426525567;nubbins`;log would make a worthy tome, if one were able to sieve it first 1054131;1426525568;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053996 << comes with bikini wax ? 1054132;1426525568;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 15:08:58; dignork: Adlai: oh, forgot a standard robe. 1054133;1426525581;mircea_popescu;nubbins` prolly bitcoin code easier. 1054134;1426525590;nubbins`;nod 1054135;1426525602;nubbins`;none of it really makes sense w/o vexual, for example 1054136;1426525609;nubbins`;XD 1054137;1426525669;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1053999 << you'll prolly enjoy http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/eyeargon.pdf then 1054138;1426525669;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 15:13:00; *: Adlai can't find the exact quote but some literary pundit, when asked "but isn't it great that kids are reading [harry potter] instead of watching TV?" responded that he'd rather they watch tv than read such garbage 1054139;1426525670;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVyiLd ) 1054140;1426525690;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054006 << austerastimulity. 1054141;1426525690;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 15:31:30; PeterL: got a job offer today, pays 25% less than I was making before I got laid off :/ 1054142;1426525691;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: argon << ultra-famous 1054143;1426525700;mircea_popescu;ascii_field only among a tiny group :) 1054144;1426525707;ascii_field;author confessed shortly before died, iirc 1054145;1426525719;nubbins`;mircea_popescu peterL i took a 90% pay cut in 2013 when switching careers 8) 1054146;1426525721;mircea_popescu;wasnt author like 17 at the time ? 1054147;1426525731;ascii_field;sumthinglikethat 1054148;1426525734;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so did i, but a decade prior. 1054149;1426525745;nubbins`;makes you fight, neh? 1054150;1426525748;mircea_popescu;of course pay was mostly hookers and blow anyway, best for health 1054151;1426525754;mircea_popescu;my bp took a 50% intima cut. 1054152;1426525796;mircea_popescu;i, in all honesty and no exageration whatsoever, averaged 220-230/110 bp for about a decade. 1054153;1426525811;mircea_popescu;to the degree i had a heart specialist following me around. 1054154;1426525827;ascii_field;like brezhnev, l0l 1054155;1426525838;mircea_popescu;what srsly ? 1054156;1426525843;ascii_field;aha 1054157;1426525846;ascii_field;but he was, what, 80 1054158;1426525859;mircea_popescu;i did not know that. 1054159;1426525862;mircea_popescu;weird. wild. 1054160;1426525871;ascii_field;the doctor-following-around part 1054161;1426525875;ascii_field;no idea what his vital stats were 1054162;1426525876;mircea_popescu;oh 1054163;1426525891;mircea_popescu;oddly enough it seems to have left no sechellae 1054164;1426525892;ascii_field;mr o incidentally goes nowhere without ambulance, complete with blinkenlights 1054165;1426525909;mircea_popescu;ya but he's an idiot. 1054166;1426525914;ascii_field;afaik - sop 1054167;1426525919;ascii_field;gwb had one for sure 1054168;1426525926;mircea_popescu;also., 1054169;1426525953;nubbins`;i thought that was because he couldn't stay away from the pretzels 1054170;1426525983;mircea_popescu;who, brejnev ? 1054171;1426525987;nubbins`;gwb 1054172;1426525993;nubbins`;or, as he knew them, the dread PRETZELCOATL 1054173;1426525998;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1054174;1426526012;nubbins`;feathered bread-monster of antiquity 1054175;1426526018;mircea_popescu;anyway, im taking chetty out for sushi, ttyl. 1054176;1426526032;nubbins`;remember: ceviche is only raw in name! 1054177;1426526442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50139 @ 0.00032436 = 16.2631 BTC [-] 1054178;1426526686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52350 @ 0.00032326 = 16.9227 BTC [-] {2} 1054179;1426527181;funkenstein_;http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/american-amoeba/ 1054180;1426527183;assbot;American Amoeba | KUNSTLER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVDoa4 ) 1054181;1426527293;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1054182;1426528399;funkenstein_;!up OneNomos 1054183;1426529383;thestringpuller;mod6: trap star just came on pandora. dat #tm101 1054184;1426530078;mod6;:] 1054185;1426531138;davout;justusranvier seems to a whole new level in derpitude 1054186;1426531141;davout;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/33594885/ 1054187;1426531142;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMJ57s ) 1054188;1426531199;trinque;davout: deedbot doesn't announce URLs yet, so... *ding!* http://deedbot.org/347883-1HkMQ2Zj1qwLtRLoMTugVpzYkBvQzjB9pj.txt 1054189;1426531200;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMJg2S ) 1054190;1426531255;davout;trinque: gracias, pls to lemme know when it has a nice interface and rounded corners 1054191;1426531271;trinque;soon as I find a moment for sanding 1054192;1426531353;davout;does it also have a written procedure on how to verify deeds by hand? 1054193;1426531441;davout;in other words, how do i access the bundle from a deed ? 1054194;1426531459;davout;or was that URL a bundle and not just a deed? 1054195;1426531469;trinque;that URL is a bundle 1054196;1426531499;trinque;curl | sha256sum 1054197;1426531512;trinque;that's what I'm using as the private key to generate the address 1054198;1426531631;davout;alrighty 1054199;1426531634;davout;ty! 1054200;1426531676;trinque;no problem 1054201;1426532192;dignork;mircea_popescu: comes with bikini wax << maybe PA's for high-ranked officers, dunno any of them. 1054202;1426532656;davout;trinque: looks like it all works correctly 1054203;1426532675;trinque;davout: cool! glad to get someone else's eyes on it 1054204;1426533200;davout;trinque: what happens if the same deed is submitted mutliple times? 1054205;1426533487;davout;question mainly being: can some random derp take already notarized deeds, and clog the pipes with them, because i assume deedbot will listen privately to deeds being submitted, as long as they're signed with a proper key amirite 1054206;1426533519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00031597 = 18.1051 BTC [-] {2} 1054207;1426533526;danielpbarron;!up Uglux 1054208;1426533615;trinque;davout: it will only eat deeds signed by assbot's L1 or L2 1054209;1426533628;trinque;does not currently do anything to prevent the same signed messages from being submitted twice 1054210;1426533651;trinque;imo might be best to just handle that with negrating abusers 1054211;1426533653;Adlai;does it only accept deeds from authed members of L1/2 ? 1054212;1426533744;trinque;hmmm... actually you guys have a point 1054213;1426533778;Adlai;replay attacks would still be possible, but by limiting submissions to authed L<3, you at least have somebody to punish 1054214;1426533779;trinque;this is why I've been running publish manually and seeing what people have added 1054215;1426533804;Adlai;that's no way to run an automated system :P 1054216;1426533809;davout;Adlai: you don't really want to depend on the submitter being authed i'd say 1054217;1426533831;Adlai;you could also just drop duplicates 1054218;1426533832;trinque;I could just turn off the PM support 1054219;1426533838;trinque;and require all interaction be done here 1054220;1426533852;Adlai;that has the advantage of accelerating shared learning 1054221;1426533867;davout;turning off pm support would be the simplest way 1054222;1426533902;trinque;Adlai | that's no way to run an automated system :P << that's how I *start* running any automated system I make 1054223;1426533932;*;Adlai originally wrote 'no way to build', then choose 'run' intentionally 1054224;1426533948;trinque;well, when you guys start paying me for this, I'll feel worse about it 1054225;1426533963;davout;for every automatic thing, there's a computer doing it manually :D 1054226;1426534193;Adlai;and Cyberdyne Systems are justa buncha freedom fighters 1054227;1426534220;*;Adlai ... is part of 'you guys'? :o 1054228;1426534279;Adlai;last i checked, i'm the guy saying that the way mircea_popescu specified deedbot is silly 1054229;1426534433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00031604 = 19.4681 BTC [+] {3} 1054230;1426534733;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/trollaxor/status/577547355282632704 1054231;1426534734;assbot;you can't trust segregated institutions. /hashtag/racism?src=hash /hashtag/sexism?src=hash /hashtag/feminism?src=hash /hashtag/homophobia?src=hash /hashtag/blacklivesmatter?src=hash /hashtag/openbsd?src=hash 1054232;1426534807;trinque;was going to ask Adlai why he thought so, but.. vanished! 1054233;1426534829;trinque;danielpbarron: openbsd lol? 1054234;1426534836;danielpbarron;lol. 1054235;1426534848;trinque;is that a markov tweetbot? 1054236;1426534861;trinque;apparantly not 1054237;1426535038;danielpbarron;found it from those articles bingo linked me to yesterday 1054238;1426535094;danielpbarron;the guy apparently liked OpenBSD until he learned about Theo 1054239;1426535129;danielpbarron;he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead 1054240;1426535152;danielpbarron;because "social equality" is more important than computer security or something 1054241;1426535166;trinque;having an opinionated ass at the top is a feature 1054242;1426535225;danielpbarron;tried to get him to explain his position in here, but even IRC is on his hate list for being too old 1054243;1426535228;trinque;may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished 1054244;1426535333;trinque;http://www.trollaxor.com/2015/02/openbsd-fact-check-use-or-not-use-test.html << what the fuck are these slides 1054245;1426535334;assbot;trollaxor.com: OPENBSD FACT CHECK: USE OR NOT USE TEST ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ax3tFY ) 1054246;1426535337;trinque;the guy is illiterate 1054247;1426535350;trinque;I guess he's trying to be cute? 1054248;1426535372;trinque;scares me the kind of poorly tuned brains running around with fat stacks of USD 1054249;1426535407;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1054250;1426535445;danielpbarron;trinque, he didn't earn it; some uncle died and left it to him for the purpose of funding open source 1054251;1426535452;trinque;oh god 1054252;1426535467;ascii_field;may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished << optimist. i expect to have my skull used by them as ashtray, rather than vice-versa 1054253;1426535487;mats;high drama 1054254;1426535714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50724 @ 0.00032479 = 16.4746 BTC [+] 1054255;1426535999;ascii_field;possibly i ought to explain. point being that folks are vastly underestimating strength of the enemy 1054256;1426536031;ascii_field;yes, '...the ogre cannot master speech' - but it's an ogre - a bloodthirsty giant 1054257;1426536055;ascii_field;a still largely-intact giant, still walking around and smashing things 1054258;1426536069;ascii_field;and on his shoulders armies of demented midgets ride 1054259;1426536206;trinque;ascii_field: from a perspective it's entirely irrational to have any hope at all; after all, one dies at the end. 1054260;1426536215;trinque;not being flippant, it's a fact 1054261;1426536260;ascii_field;trinque: the hope can only be about outliving the enemy 1054262;1426536277;trinque;given that, ogre or no, my mind will still hum battle songs of an army that does not yet exist 1054263;1426536674;danielpbarron;!up _FeltPen 1054264;1426536774;ascii_field;because "social equality" is more important than computer security or something << reminds, of course, of: 1054265;1426536776;ascii_field;!s stotting 1054266;1426536777;assbot;11 results for 'stotting' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stotting 1054267;1426536837;ascii_field;(which in my own mental habit i usually think of as 'peacocking', because it is an even more obvious animal to illustrate the concept with) 1054268;1426536870;ascii_field;or mircea_popescu's 'sprezzatura' - for that matter 1054269;1426537010;ascii_field;sorta wonder, i confess, if sprezzatura/stotting makes its appearance in overcrowded worlds 'that have no frontiers' 1054270;1426537036;ascii_field;as in, picture a town with no decent place to have a footrace (too many hills? swamp? use imagination) 1054271;1426537071;ascii_field;so instead of actually racing, folks start to show off their strength by competing who can walk normally for the longest time with a knapsack full of crap 1054272;1426537254;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1054273;1426537308;danielpbarron;so apparently the weak point in the old iMacs was the hard drive 1054274;1426537344;danielpbarron;two out of two i've looked at have bad disks; one doesn't think it even has a hard drive anymore 1054275;1426537450;ascii_field;when buying old machine 1) backup bitwise 2) ssd 1054276;1426537492;ascii_field;( 1) is for boxes that need the vendor's turdware, naturally. can skip if not. ) 1054277;1426537542;danielpbarron;i'm just now realizing that one looks tampered with -- the hard drive might have been removed by previous owner 1054278;1426537613;danielpbarron;other than that they appear to work fine. xfce on openbsd is a nice fit with the apple style 1054279;1426537756;davout;danielpbarron: iirc imacs have special disks with apple-specific temperature sensors or w/e 1054280;1426537776;davout;if you replace the stock one it'll keep the fan running thinking it's over heating 1054281;1426537910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00031847 = 4.1242 BTC [-] 1054282;1426537921;trinque;ascii_field | as in, picture a town with no decent place to have a footrace << starving for a real challenge; I think so 1054283;1426537938;trinque;and mostly without knowing they are 1054284;1426538131;trinque;yeah that's interesting; it's a sort of degenerate state of a very healthy urge to have a pissing match 1054285;1426538156;ascii_field;trinque: see old book, 'the human zoo', for a more complete version of this hypothesis 1054286;1426538179;ascii_field;(d. morris) 1054287;1426538193;trinque;ascii_field: found, ty 1054288;1426538206;trinque;reminds me that the mongols had a slur to refer to city-dwellers 1054289;1426538211;trinque;saw them as livestock 1054290;1426538362;mircea_popescu;not mine by any means. the duke of este's. 1054291;1426538369;ascii_field;well yeah 1054292;1426538379;ascii_field;but described in recent mircea_popescu article 1054293;1426538385;mircea_popescu;:p 1054294;1426538398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19426 @ 0.00032479 = 6.3094 BTC [+] 1054295;1426538410;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ so, i got logs ? 1054296;1426538459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 118 @ 0.01001 = 1.1812 BTC [-] {2} 1054297;1426538521;thestringpuller;ascii_field: we are all meat puppets 1054298;1426538535;thestringpuller;no one pulls their own strings 1054299;1426538539;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054191 << yeah the blocks list as discussed!!11 1054300;1426538539;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 18:41:11; trinque: soon as I find a moment for sanding 1054301;1426538617;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054210 << doens't really need any handling past that imo. 1054302;1426538617;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 19:20:51; trinque: imo might be best to just handle that with negrating abusers 1054303;1426538712;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054205 << nope. listens in here. 1054304;1426538712;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 19:18:07; davout: question mainly being: can some random derp take already notarized deeds, and clog the pipes with them, because i assume deedbot will listen privately to deeds being submitted, as long as they're signed with a proper key amirite 1054305;1426538721;mircea_popescu;there's no "private notarization" 1054306;1426538762;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054217 << he doesn't have teh authority to do that, tho. 1054307;1426538762;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 19:23:51; Adlai: you could also just drop duplicates 1054308;1426538796;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054222 << happens to be the exactly only correct way to run automated systems at first. 1054309;1426538796;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 19:25:02; trinque: Adlai | that's no way to run an automated system :P << that's how I *start* running any automated system I make 1054310;1426538799;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu, big stack of logs for you. I keep them dry until you tell me where you want them. 1054311;1426538812;mircea_popescu;splendid. specifically, what is it, 300k ? 1054312;1426538915;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054231 << nonsense. trust is not something that can be derived programatically. whether a guy is black or not, whether an institution is segregated or not has no impact on whether you can trust them. 1054313;1426538915;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 19:38:54; assbot: you can't trust segregated institutions. /hashtag/racism?src=hash /hashtag/sexism?src=hash /hashtag/feminism?src=hash /hashtag/homophobia?src=hash /hashtag/blacklivesmatter?src=hash /hashtag/openbsd?src=hash 1054314;1426538933;funkenstein_;and 300300.3003003 1054315;1426538951;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054239 << "almost donated" ? cool lol. 1054316;1426538951;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 19:45:29; danielpbarron: he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead 1054317;1426538965;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ cool. curious what comes of this. 1054318;1426539008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60263 @ 0.00032518 = 19.5963 BTC [+] {2} 1054319;1426539044;funkenstein_;me too :) 100k blocks reached today, reward is 10 LOG per block 1054320;1426539048;mircea_popescu;speaking of wood, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f89886e82be5610fa7df59542fb8357d/tumblr_n193b8VAKq1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg 1054321;1426539049;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkaRix ) 1054322;1426539190;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ you probably should get those various links fixed. 1054323;1426539353;funkenstein_;in woodcoin documentation stuff? 1054324;1426539443;funkenstein_;maybe i should make a real website 1054325;1426539453;mircea_popescu;http://thirstforfire.com/ stuff 1054326;1426539454;assbot;Index of / ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkc3SX ) 1054327;1426539467;mircea_popescu;was another one also linked there 1054328;1426539548;funkenstein_;taking links down, thanks 1054329;1426539573;funkenstein_;not my stuff there 1054330;1426539576;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054242 << actually, being in a venue where "the medium is the message" is absolutely required for someone who has no message past being part of the median. 1054331;1426539576;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 19:47:05; danielpbarron: tried to get him to explain his position in here, but even IRC is on his hate list for being too old 1054332;1426539618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00032643 = 18.7697 BTC [+] 1054333;1426539625;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054252 << yes, but then again you're not a sadist, you're a masochist. 1054334;1426539625;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 19:51:07; ascii_field: may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished << optimist. i expect to have my skull used by them as ashtray, rather than vice-versa 1054335;1426539637;mircea_popescu;so you're just being optimistic in your own way :D 1054336;1426539828;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054269 << essentially yes. it's a result of social dislocation at the top brought about by sudden technological advance that's poorly digested. 1054337;1426539828;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 20:16:50; ascii_field: sorta wonder, i confess, if sprezzatura/stotting makes its appearance in overcrowded worlds 'that have no frontiers' 1054338;1426539896;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1054339;1426539914;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many times alf's been impersonated as ascii_field so far 1054340;1426539922;ascii_field;'masochist: whip me, whip me! sadist: no...' 1054341;1426539956;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: impersonated... << the real one will presumably say something. ergo impostor, if impostor, is doing precisely what real one wishes. 1054342;1426539977;mircea_popescu;hehe 1054343;1426540086;mircea_popescu;so i'm going to rewrite tlp's short story with the druggie in a moment. 1054344;1426540289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83650 @ 0.00032358 = 27.0675 BTC [-] {2} 1054345;1426540405;BingoBoingo; he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead << That part seems to have been totally just a troll hob 1054346;1426540476;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron> trinque, he didn't earn it; some uncle died and left it to him for the purpose of funding open source << When someone seems this committed to a troll job you can't take them at face value 1054347;1426540854;funkenstein_;old fiat misallocated? stop the press 1054348;1426540995;funkenstein_;sometimes you have to celebrate if anybody at all gets to spend it 1054349;1426541388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59400 @ 0.00032643 = 19.3899 BTC [+] 1054350;1426541471;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 1054351;1426541473;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.03, Best ask: 291.21, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 291.07, 24 hour volume: 23083.07900202, 24 hour low: 285.7, 24 hour high: 295.2, 24 hour vwap: None 1054352;1426542165;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/australian-drug-trafficker-sentenced-to-12-years-prison/ 1054353;1426542241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00032643 = 12.9593 BTC [+] 1054354;1426542790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.00032655 = 21.6503 BTC [+] {2} 1054355;1426543095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8518 @ 0.00031921 = 2.719 BTC [-] {2} 1054356;1426543143;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/coinbase-compliance-chief-resigns/ 1054357;1426543160;BingoBoingo;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/33602678/ << Look who'd citing qntra nao 1054358;1426543162;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqOOeP ) 1054359;1426543423;mircea_popescu;btw, i finally found the source of that debate we had earlier as to how powerful a chimp is etc. 1054360;1426543437;mircea_popescu;you see, when i see chimp i think of bonobos. which... whatever, you could eat one raw. 1054361;1426543456;mircea_popescu;you good folk apparently think of the robust chimp, the OTHER species of pan 1054362;1426543545;BingoBoingo;Oh, so you associated chimp with the harmless species that just lez's out all the time. 1054363;1426543707;mircea_popescu;basically. 1054364;1426543756;mircea_popescu;would have never probably happened if phys antrhopologist person didn't read and go "dude, that's the other one!" 1054365;1426543760;mircea_popescu;"what other one?!" 1054366;1426543798;mircea_popescu;"you know, the one that's like a gorilla" 1054367;1426543888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98538 @ 0.00031224 = 30.7675 BTC [-] {2} 1054368;1426543940;Adlai;;;google dance monkeys dance 1054369;1426543940;gribble;Dance, Monkeys, Dance - Ernest Cline: ; Dance monkeys dance - YouTube: ; Dance, Monkeys, Dance - Ernest Cline - YouTube: 1054370;1426544794;cazalla;i swear if and when bitcoin hits astronomical heights, imma start the chimp ufc 1054371;1426544848;Adlai; 1054372;1426545047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51221 @ 0.0003128 = 16.0219 BTC [+] 1054373;1426545779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4761 @ 0.0003128 = 1.4892 BTC [+] 1054374;1426546145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175250 @ 0.00031946 = 55.9854 BTC [+] {3} 1054375;1426547244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177400 @ 0.00031293 = 55.5138 BTC [-] {5} 1054376;1426547426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41378 @ 0.00030897 = 12.7846 BTC [-] {2} 1054377;1426547742;BingoBoingo;!up royokou 1054378;1426548307;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/a-trip-you-may-have-taken-redux/ 1054379;1426548329;mircea_popescu;!up mogreen 1054380;1426548707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00032055 = 20.996 BTC [+] {2} 1054381;1426549490;asciilifeform;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/33602678 << big moment in the history of that particular set of idiots. they will putter around with 'remote attestation' crap and will end with an inevitable 'most of the nodes are not True Nodes, a True Node is this here sealed crate from us, just plug it in' 1054382;1426549492;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/18zm0Kh ) 1054383;1426549599;funkenstein_;what do you think of Sergio's idea is that really possible? 1054384;1426549606;asciilifeform;is it just me or is it hilariously funny that folks working with (or pretending to, whatever) with bitcoin - the only thing that ever solved 'sybil problem' -for the one case for which it is solvable- -- is spewing this kind of nonsense ? 1054385;1426549626;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: anything involving hard time-bounds on a packet-switched net is lunacy 1054386;1426549657;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: the real purpose of this 'proposal', if it has a purpose, is 'let's keep thinking about how to kill nodes not controlled by Phoundation' 1054387;1426549697;funkenstein_;hmm my instinct was it didn't seem possible 1054388;1426549736;funkenstein_;he posts a ton of extremely ambitious ideas i'd love to see him come through on one of them 1054389;1426549740;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: have to understand that what comes out of these people makes considerably more sense once you understand what the one and only 'problem' they ever try to 'solve' really is. 1054390;1426549798;asciilifeform;(to be fair, there are actually two of them. one is -- distracting actual people from actual work with the noise.) 1054391;1426549895;funkenstein_;guess they got us then :) 1054392;1426549988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.0003119 = 16.6867 BTC [-] 1054393;1426549989;BingoBoingo; what do you think of Sergio's idea is that really possible? << Serigo is great at inventing problems. So good that many of his suggested fixes are still bigger problems as in this case 1054394;1426550222;funkenstein_;i think you have a point. seems like a really good abstract thinker but sometimes you want a dumb network 1054395;1426550550;decimation;asciilifeform: have you read some of the research under the heading "delay tolerant networking" 1054396;1426550605;BingoBoingo;http://www.openbsd.org/papers/httpd-slides-asiabsdcon2015.pdf 1054397;1426550608;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18zpwoe ) 1054398;1426550613;decimation;nasa et.al. spend money on usg think tanks to try to come up with a protocol that will magically switch between store-and-forward and low-latency as the channel permits 1054399;1426550636;mircea_popescu;!up Asenath 1054400;1426550644;mircea_popescu;jurov on it 1054401;1426550678;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform forced mistakes are forced and mistaken. 1054402;1426550748;mircea_popescu; he posts a ton of extremely ambitious ideas i'd love to see him come through on one of them << you have to understand this is now, thanks to moldbug et all, an internet pose. 1054403;1426550772;mircea_popescu;there's no substance to it past getting you to say that, just like there's no substance past oprah's skin color past getting black people to buy shit. 1054404;1426550920;decimation;http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~augustin/pub/chaintreau08opportunistic.pdf < interestingly, 'gossip-based' has become a buzzword in some of this network research 1054405;1426550922;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18zqukn ) 1054406;1426552750;mircea_popescu;http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/95953789878/chapter-2-in-which-i-remember-why-i-hated-this << ahahaha is it this fucking bad ?! 1054407;1426552751;assbot;Wading In — Chapter 2, in which I remember why I hated this ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Iuxj ) 1054408;1426552756;mircea_popescu;"You turned into a cat! A SMALL cat! You violated Conservation of Energy! That’s not just an arbitrary rule, it’s implied by the form of the quantum Hamiltonian! Rejecting it destroys unitarity and then you get FTL signalling!” 1054409;1426552780;mircea_popescu;this is a better meme than fu im a dragon. 1054410;1426552979;mircea_popescu;"I read the comments on an HPMOR chapter, which I recommend strongly against. I wish I could talk to several of the commentators, and gently talk them out of a poor financial decision. 1054411;1426552979;mircea_popescu;Poor, misguided random internet person- your donation to MIRI/LessWrong will not help save the world. Even if you grant all their (rather silly) assumptions MIRI is a horribly unproductive research institute- in more than a decade, it has published fewer peer reviewed papers than the average physics graduate student does while in grad school." 1054412;1426552980;mircea_popescu;aww. 1054413;1426553610;BingoBoingo;The woodchipper fanfic was better 1054414;1426553746;mircea_popescu;i am slowly and unpleasantly realising that there will be no end of these ignare cvasi-intellectuals. 1054415;1426553767;mircea_popescu;every year shall bring more yarvin, yakudsky, yaranidiot. 1054416;1426553825;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's unavoidable given an "educational system" that fails to teach anything but manages to impart absurd delusions of self worth and power, and completely destructured personal social relations. 1054417;1426553850;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... good god, i need more hemlock. 1054418;1426553863;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1054419;1426553863;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XHPQH3.txt ) 1054420;1426553970;mircea_popescu;where the fuck are the people holding up signs with "you are stupid" to raise awareness ? 1054421;1426553984;mircea_popescu;that's a topic that desperately needs awareness, the bezzle's nothing compared to the igzzle. 1054422;1426554011;mircea_popescu;if you add all the money people think they're worth, and divide by all the value that actually exists, you only get a few degrees of magnitude out of the process. 1054423;1426554045;mircea_popescu;however, if you add all the smarts people assign themselves and divide by the ... like i dunno, 5000 or so total iq points available for the bn or so english speakers, you roughly get infinity. 1054424;1426554127;mircea_popescu;and THAT is sure as fuck not implied by the form of any part of any "hamiltonian", w r hamilton's reproductive organs included. 1054425;1426555171;funkenstein_;fractional reserver brain power. just getting it. 1054426;1426555205;*;funkenstein_ slow as fuck 1054427;1426555354;mircea_popescu;exactly what it is. backed by nothing but the full faith and credit of the usg, in the shape of little bits of paper issued by Department of Harvard, The Stanford Agency scl etc. 1054428;1426555385;funkenstein_;the paper belt 1054429;1426555385;mircea_popescu;and this schmuck didn't even go to school! 1054430;1426555399;mircea_popescu;it's so fucking pervasive by now, they can extract it by simple aculturation. 1054431;1426555453;funkenstein_;the academic bullshit goes way back 1054432;1426555468;mircea_popescu;never before have i realised the wisdom of the jews / early christians in keeping the books under key. 1054433;1426555578;funkenstein_;? 1054434;1426555652;funkenstein_;just to make more of a challenge for us? 1054435;1426555695;mircea_popescu;no, but because acquiring a monkey-ish familiarity with material is a trivial task, which will then prevent an ambitious and inexperienced actor from actually learning anything. 1054436;1426555822;funkenstein_;hmm.. more likely they were just the same kind of people who enjoy their power as academics today 1054437;1426555832;mircea_popescu;the same insane behaviour exhibited by "bitcoin entrepreneurs" as summed up in http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/ is what drives ykwhatever to falsely believe he has understood something about statistics / has anything meaningful to say 1054438;1426555833;assbot;Who made this ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWZgSB ) 1054439;1426555835;mircea_popescu;"about science" 1054440;1426555907;mircea_popescu;of course this argument falls apart once one considers that - according to various muppets cca 1900, "physics was a closed science", so by the logic above proposed everyone should be kept from nature itself as they muck it up. 1054441;1426555938;thestringpuller;dr. funkenstein straight from george clinton's mothership 1054442;1426555955;mircea_popescu;but still, hot damn, semidoctus is becoming a byword for homo interneticus. 1054443;1426555963;funkenstein_;the bigger the headache the bigger the pill 1054444;1426556022;funkenstein_;you give us a chance we will get it wrong. that's why it is so important to have those stupid signs up you mentioned. 1054445;1426556366;funkenstein_;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1s1DOUNA-g 1054446;1426556368;assbot;PEAK DUMB - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErOelH ) 1054447;1426556448;thestringpuller;re: who made this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0g_85WTGIM "How did you get this show?" "Carrot Top turned it down." 1054448;1426556454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1692 @ 0.00398401 = 6.7409 BTC [-] 1054449;1426556830;mircea_popescu;lol 1054450;1426558528;*;asciilifeform would point out that 'turned into small cat' does not have to violate conservation laws if cat is peculiarly dense, or if the excess mass had been teleported a room away (which in itself does not have to violate conservation) -- but this is probably not what the thing was about 1054451;1426558636;mircea_popescu;actually the cat doesn't even have to be dense per se, it could just be very hot. 1054452;1426558660;mircea_popescu;or... spinning real fast. 1054453;1426558667;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: every year shall bring more.. << give the charlatans some credit here. yudkowsky, for instance, carefully disassembled the broken husk of christianity and soldered all the loose pieces together in a way that it sorta runs again for folks on the right half of bell curve 1054454;1426558709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have little to no evidence of this. all i see is the text, and the text is truely appalling. 1054455;1426558722;mircea_popescu;yes, maybe he writes like an idiot on purpose. 1054456;1426558748;asciilifeform;he convinced folks with some education in the physical sciences, even to believe in immortality ('ancestor sims', 'nanotech'); deities ('jupiter brains', 'superintelligence') and even immortal soul ('coherent extrapolated volition') 1054457;1426558757;asciilifeform;he writes 'down' to the audience 1054458;1426558761;asciilifeform;to reel people in 1054459;1426558764;mircea_popescu;it seems improbable, much like crack whores are rarely sober actresses practicing. 1054460;1426558769;asciilifeform;the man knows precisely what he's doing 1054461;1426558797;mircea_popescu;listen, a large crowd of bearded idiots following the child prophet is no proof of the child's anything. 1054462;1426558799;asciilifeform;in fact, he is so confident that he's been known to accept public debate. might even show up here if somebody really wants. 1054463;1426558807;mircea_popescu;it's just proof that people are endlessly stupid on their own terms. 1054464;1426558820;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not going by the crowd, but by having actually read everything the fella wrote 1997-2009 or so 1054465;1426558821;mircea_popescu;debate as to what ? there's no point of contention. 1054466;1426558851;asciilifeform;the only point i can see in contention is whether mr y 'drinks own kool-aid' or not 1054467;1426558861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you saying he's just a very inept writer of [fan]fiction ? 1054468;1426558875;mircea_popescu;lol that'd be a debate. which side is he to take ? 1054469;1426558890;asciilifeform;possibly the 'has' ? 1054470;1426558896;asciilifeform;(it would be interesting if not!) 1054471;1426558912;asciilifeform;the fanfic thing is one of the pieces i have -not- read. 1054472;1426558916;mircea_popescu;ah. 1054473;1426558917;asciilifeform;so cannot comment usefully. 1054474;1426558938;mircea_popescu;it's... bad. it's bad in a literary sense, and it's arguably worse in a science sense. 1054475;1426558962;mircea_popescu;one could read treatises on learned topics written by anonymous americans cca 1800 to about the same effect. 1054476;1426558976;mircea_popescu;heavy on the sauce, no real meat to speak of. 1054477;1426558997;asciilifeform;mr y seems quite clever so long as he has the sense to stay away from actual mechanisms and physical world in general where if 'your hands grow from your arse' you tend to lose them in the gears. 1054478;1426559002;asciilifeform;story time: 1054479;1426559024;asciilifeform;mr y had... a programming language! cooked up in his days of being a self-important kid with just a few dozen cult followers 1054480;1426559041;mircea_popescu;did it have submarines ? 1054481;1426559047;asciilifeform;it was rather like a bad ('70s-style) lispalike with xml (yes, xml) for all forms 1054482;1426559056;asciilifeform;for all expressions, rather 1054483;1426559063;asciilifeform;xml in place of sexprs. 1054484;1426559067;asciilifeform;thing was called 'flare' 1054485;1426559068;mircea_popescu;i guess... 1054486;1426559077;asciilifeform;and you will not see any of his groupies mention it. ever. 1054487;1426559106;asciilifeform;(did i mention his 'human-equivalent ai' was to be written in it? this is, of course, before he pronounced fatwa on anyone contemplating such a thing) 1054488;1426559151;mircea_popescu;lol you know the portrait that emerges is exactly that of the sort of kid i'd bust the nose of within a coupla days of being introduced ? 1054489;1426559160;asciilifeform;the thing he's very good at is plagiarism 1054490;1426559162;mircea_popescu;http://flarelang.sourceforge.net/ < this thing ? 1054491;1426559163;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWkWz5 ) 1054492;1426559173;asciilifeform;and ends up seeming quite clever by lifting various ideas and 'explaining' 1054493;1426559177;mircea_popescu;it just sounds like, where's that 2nd hand source brb 1054494;1426559178;asciilifeform;;;google detached lever fallacy 1054495;1426559179;gribble;Detached Lever Fallacy - Less Wrong: ; Category:Fallacies - Lesswrongwiki: ; Magic - Lesswrongwiki: 1054496;1426559182;asciilifeform;^ example 1054497;1426559198;mircea_popescu;"I’m too smart, Professor. I’ve got nothing to say to normal children. Adults don’t respect me enough to really talk to me. And frankly, even if they did, they wouldn’t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I’m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I’ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe that has some of the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An 1054498;1426559198;mircea_popescu;d I’m too intelligent to look up to my parents the way that children are designed to do. My parents love me, but they don’t feel obliged to respond to reason, and sometimes I feel like they’re the children - children who won’t listen and have absolute authority over my whole existence. I try not to be too bitter about it, but I also try to be honest with myself, so, yes, I’m bitter. 1054499;1426559225;mircea_popescu;then merge that with the "i failed and so nobody else should try it!" reversal of the "i tried and thus no one should criticize me" insanity... 1054500;1426559284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know that's an age honored thing in usia. which is why all the brouhaha over "intelle;ctual property" and "bla bla theft" is so funny for people who aren't either born yesterday or to stupid parents in the great plains. srsly, someone stole from murica ? what, christmas ? 1054501;1426559325;asciilifeform;'always it is the thief who cries - stop, thief!' or how did it go 1054502;1426559332;mircea_popescu;that's what ted is, but it didn't start there. that's what http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ is and what mormonism is and puritanism and the us army and generally... 1054503;1426559333;assbot;Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWllkX ) 1054504;1426559335;mircea_popescu;it's all lifted. 1054505;1426559354;mircea_popescu;or as that romanian dude put it, "hai c-am furat un negativ" 1054506;1426559363;asciilifeform;in all fairness, how could it be anything else? not being a historic culture and all 1054507;1426559376;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with it, as a process, but the acultural approach to it... o brother. 1054508;1426559393;mircea_popescu;right, that's what i;m saying. obviously cunt gets pounded. but all the pretense around it ? y ? 1054509;1426559459;mircea_popescu;"Jumping off the 1054510;1426559459;mircea_popescu;extensibility of XML, 1054511;1426559459;mircea_popescu;the flexibility of the underlying 1054512;1426559459;mircea_popescu;representation enables Flare to do 1054513;1426559459;mircea_popescu;several fundamental things in 1054514;1426559460;mircea_popescu;fundamentally different ways." 1054515;1426559478;mircea_popescu;^ check it out, it allowed them to mix text with display rules, because xml. 1054516;1426559500;asciilifeform;obligatory naggumism: ''It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'' 1054517;1426559532;mircea_popescu;Flare.org domain donated courtesy of ePoet.com 1054518;1426559533;mircea_popescu;o.O 1054519;1426559576;mircea_popescu;"Flare is based on XML. In dialects of LISP, both the program and the program data are represented as lists. In Flare, the program and program data, and ideally the program state, are all represented as well-formed XML. Because XML is annotative (additional sub-elements can be easily added to any parent element without destroying the structural integrity of existing data) and extensible (new sub-element types can be 1054520;1426559576;mircea_popescu; easily created), these properties are shared by Flare objects and Flare programs." 1054521;1426559586;mircea_popescu;this just broke my head. seriously ?! 1054522;1426559610;mircea_popescu;in what complang is it the case that you can't add stuff to code ?! 1054523;1426559614;asciilifeform;^ the stuck-capslock 'LISP' is an almost foolproof leper's bell of folks whose knowledge of the subject comes from 1970s encyclopaedia article 1054524;1426559659;asciilifeform;(no one who actually programs in any lisplike thing whatsoever, will ever write it out that way - the fingers simply won't do it) 1054525;1426559696;mircea_popescu;how old was he when doing this flare thing ? 1054526;1426559709;mircea_popescu;If the Flare interpreter knows that "human" is a class defined in the module "people", then it knows to expect that the tag "arms" refers to an instance member with numeric content. This is how the Flare interpreter knows that 2 means the number 2 and not the string "2". 1054527;1426559724;mircea_popescu;^ almost as painful to read as his fiction. 1054528;1426559725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the parlance of folks who actually program computers on occasion - 'blocks of code are a first-class object' is the claim. which is true for all lisp-family 1054529;1426559734;mircea_popescu;is the above quote included in your "read all" ? 1054530;1426559748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36213 @ 0.00032207 = 11.6631 BTC [+] {2} 1054531;1426559753;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: last i saw this crap, it was a series of forum posts... 1054532;1426559758;*;asciilifeform out of the loop for a good long spell 1054533;1426559761;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the language is the message, here. guy's not writing down to anyone but himself. 1054534;1426559784;asciilifeform;i don't even know that this brochure was crapped out by mr y himself 1054535;1426559795;mircea_popescu;"Not written by Dmitriy Myshkin." 1054536;1426559823;mircea_popescu;in any case, .ro space has a coupla of these, "artists" that wish to be philosophers/scientists. the result is endless lol fountain. 1054537;1426559854;asciilifeform;in the spirit of mrs. ceausescu ? 1054538;1426559874;mircea_popescu;nah, in the spirit of mr pecuchet 1054539;1426559894;mircea_popescu;ceausescu was a shoemaker. 1054540;1426559961;asciilifeform;thinking of the woman 1054541;1426559982;mircea_popescu;ah. she was a common whore. 1054542;1426559989;mircea_popescu;unlike argentina's, she wasn't pretty, either 1054543;1426560003;mircea_popescu;(tho i don't find evita peron pretty, but hey) 1054544;1426560004;asciilifeform;whore who walked around collecting 'honorary diplomas' in chemistry 1054545;1426560018;mircea_popescu;point being, artist. 1054546;1426560020;asciilifeform;while actual chemists cringed, bit tongues 1054547;1426560049;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you know this sort - often comes out at the beach. tall, good looking kid, not a jock, has learned some poetry and gazes into the distance a lot. 1054548;1426560053;mircea_popescu;sorta emo-precursor. 1054549;1426560064;decimation;re: education < http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silicon-valley-home-schooling/ < apparently Thiel et.al. were educated in a Montessori school (which was a crazy idea invented by a random italian chick) to let kids decide for themselves "how to be schooled" 1054550;1426560065;assbot;The Techies Who Are Hacking Education by Homeschooling Their Kids | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWn4qs ) 1054551;1426560075;mircea_popescu;very successful with a certain age range, mostly because well... the gals are itching for a trashing, but also kinda affraid it may hurt. 1054552;1426560097;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc 'montessori' is done to very young, elementary grade pupils only 1054553;1426560113;mircea_popescu;yeah, it's extended kindergarten 1054554;1426560129;mircea_popescu;(dunno about yer lands, but that's exactly how kindergarten was done when i was 5ish) 1054555;1426560171;decimation;heh no they do high school now 1054556;1426560194;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1054557;1426560199;mircea_popescu;ok alf, I got it. here it is : 1054558;1426560200;mircea_popescu;This whole conversation feels ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE. 1054559;1426560200;mircea_popescu;[...] 1054560;1426560201;mircea_popescu;I’m not sure why you’d use persuasion/marketing as a shiny metaphor for science, other than its the theme of this chapter. ”If you know science you can manipulate people as if you were literally in control of them” seems like a broad, and mostly untrue claim. 1054561;1426560211;decimation;exampe > http://www.schoolofthewoods.org/ 1054562;1426560213;assbot;School of the Woods - Montessori - Established 1962 - preK thru 12 Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWnptc ) 1054563;1426560279;mircea_popescu;so your theory'd be, fitting with the above, that this is what they called a "sensitive child" who is trying to assuage his existential vertigo by "taming" [pseudo]science to play the role of a sort of marketing ? 1054564;1426560303;asciilifeform;approximately. 1054565;1426560336;mircea_popescu;reads to me more like a cry for help. 1054566;1426560346;mircea_popescu;"mommy look how fucking stupid i'm being, help me!" 1054567;1426560405;asciilifeform;whatever it was a cry for, it werked - mr y has a rotating harem, a flat in san fran, and a phoundation to invoice for the lot - and i don't 1054568;1426560424;asciilifeform;so yes, i l0l, but sc4mz0r sp4mz like a pr0 1054569;1426560489;mircea_popescu;what's a rotating harem ? 1054570;1426560499;asciilifeform;the kind mircea_popescu has 1054571;1426560507;mircea_popescu;wait. wut ? 1054572;1426560515;asciilifeform;where younger gurlz rotated in, etc 1054573;1426560526;*;asciilifeform not sure of the correct term of art 1054574;1426560530;mircea_popescu;you're basically saying he's having a lot of sex ? 1054575;1426560539;asciilifeform;sex he doesn't have to go shopping for 1054576;1426560546;*;asciilifeform again not sure of the term of art 1054577;1426560603;mircea_popescu;might be "dating" 1054578;1426560605;decimation;re: "intelle;ctual property" < I spoke with a patent examiner once, she said that she often was 'paid a visit' by pharma/medical people who were under the mistaken impression that their devices were still under patent 1054579;1426560616;decimation;when it had long ago expired 1054580;1426560632;asciilifeform;wai wat 1054581;1426560653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm tryin' to follow! 1054582;1426560683;asciilifeform;(no one remotely connected with the filing of an american patent is under any doubt whatsoever regarding expiration thereof) 1054583;1426560713;decimation;asciilifeform: she said they would have long conversations where they were apparently mistaken about this 1054584;1426560714;mircea_popescu;"I enjoy speaking at financial firms on human rationality." << there, your mystery's solved. he's doing the entertainment for vc teambuilding events. 1054585;1426560810;mircea_popescu;so is, for instance, her : http://40.media.tumblr.com/fc9005c0f6ad1619a382f70c2796027e/tumblr_msbf0u15E61rmm9buo1_500.jpg 1054586;1426560811;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWoQYC ) 1054587;1426560834;decimation;mircea_popescu: snake-oil sales for 'business seminars' is quite big business 1054588;1426560856;asciilifeform;if he does this, it is to rope in chumpz for his phoundation 1054589;1426560861;mircea_popescu;well... you gotta put something up, you know ? gavin can't run to all of them in his satoshi costume 1054590;1426560871;asciilifeform;and - it works 1054591;1426560878;mircea_popescu;and out and out nudity is more of a terrorism&money laundering trope than anything 1054592;1426560881;asciilifeform;(-somebody- is paying his bills) 1054593;1426560893;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he could say the same about you. 1054594;1426560899;asciilifeform;exactly the same 1054595;1426560901;decimation;re: mr y. < are you sure it's gurlz instead of boyz? 1054596;1426560926;asciilifeform;except that mr y is a much more talented whore than yours truly 1054597;1426560937;mircea_popescu;this pov where women without further specification are somehow valuable still boggles me. 1054598;1426560937;asciilifeform;the kind that is a couplea-zeroes apart 1054599;1426560947;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you know this ? 1054600;1426560951;*;asciilifeform has insufficient data for specification 1054601;1426560996;*;asciilifeform has very few items that rise to the level of 'knowledge' about mr y, mainly thirdhand rumour 1054602;1426561015;mircea_popescu;i think you drastically overestimate the well being of others. but at least it's consistent with the meta nsa/lizard hitler outlook. 1054603;1426561044;asciilifeform;-somebody- flies first class and sleeps ad libitum 1054604;1426561058;ben_vulpes;if not mr y, then surely lizard hitler 1054605;1426561066;ben_vulpes;and damn his eyes for it! 1054606;1426561069;ben_vulpes;or anyone who might. 1054607;1426561069;asciilifeform;His Reptilian Majesty! 1054608;1426561073;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd ask how you know this, but i'll let it slide :D 1054609;1426561077;decimation;asciilifeform: I'm not sure about that. it seems to me that the us is all about everyone trying to keep everyone else from doing exactly that 1054610;1426561187;decimation;the rhetoric in the us tends toward "a rising tide lifts all boats" but the more apparent reality is to squash the up-and-coming - to prevent competition from above and to 'enhance equality' from below 1054611;1426561223;mircea_popescu;this crabpottery is quite recent 1054612;1426561288;decimation;mircea_popescu: I think it is correlated with the mass looting of public companies that became fashionable in the late 70's/early 80's 1054613;1426561344;mircea_popescu;nah. that's natural, and welcome - capitalism rebuidling itself. 1054614;1426561361;mircea_popescu;when you get a bunch of idiots who wish agency without agency, looting is both necessary and ideal. 1054615;1426561379;mircea_popescu;"public companies" pssh. 1054616;1426561402;mircea_popescu;why wasn't the buffallo a "public company" in 1830 ? 1054617;1426561475;decimation;charles murray has written about how the 'elites' and common folk lived in the same neighborhoods together 1054618;1426561568;mircea_popescu;i fucking wrote about it. elite me lived in the same bus as some alabamian black kids, to no detriment of either of us, au contraire. 1054619;1426561576;mircea_popescu;something average usian can not do. because reasons. 1054620;1426561603;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-01-2015#979013 < elites became paranoid 1054621;1426561603;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers. 1054622;1426561617;mircea_popescu;yea 1054623;1426561629;asciilifeform;and meanwhile escalating ethn0w4rz to keep things interesting 1054624;1426561674;decimation;actually the elites were racist as fuck, and were quite willing to use the underclass as a weapon against the kulaks while they built imaginary 'barriers' around their homes 1054625;1426561717;asciilifeform;'the death and life of great american cities' (jacobs) 1054626;1426561723;asciilifeform;^ mega-classic 1054627;1426561839;decimation;also I would note that this happened at a time when the intellectual fashion was to scorn any project designed to civilize the 'other' 1054628;1426561858;decimation;'arrow to the throat - it's the only language the savages understand' 1054629;1426562374;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: '"Give it here." then in the phone "It's Francine A. Hayek. H-A-Y-E-K." and then after a pregnant pause, "No, just a name coincidence."' << m3g4l0l!! 1054630;1426562377;*;asciilifeform falls down 1054631;1426562640;danielpbarron;http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2006/09/14/netbsd_future.html << more history about the BSDs 1054632;1426562642;assbot;Confessions of a Recovering NetBSD Zealot - O'Reilly Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1FtcVzv ) 1054633;1426562647;danielpbarron;Since it came up in the /. thread, though, I would like to make one correction. It's widely claimed that I'm "the one" who ejected Theo from the NetBSD community. That is false. At that time in NetBSD's history, Chris G. Demetriou was playing the role of alpha male, and I wasn't even given a choice. I was certain it was going to bite us in the ass. I think the question for historians is not whether it did bite us in the ass, 1054634;1426562724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha ? 1054635;1426562726;mircea_popescu;tyhat bad ? 1054636;1426562735;asciilifeform;so bad that good (TM) 1054637;1426562754;asciilifeform;as in, register rolls over. 1054638;1426562763;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron he can of course point to deedbot deeds proving these claims, 1054639;1426562768;mircea_popescu;or fail that, to anything ? 1054640;1426562779;asciilifeform;(proposes 'ROL' to augment the customary 'lol' as term of art) 1054641;1426562856;danielpbarron;http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html < pre-deedbot history was kept in the form of email dumps 1054642;1426562859;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FtdN7f ) 1054643;1426562859;asciilifeform;'Even today, most software distributions on the net (and this includes NetBSD) are not signed.' << wat? 1054644;1426562869;asciilifeform;^ is above still true ?! 1054645;1426562950;asciilifeform;'deedbot' concept is older than might appear 1054646;1426562953;asciilifeform;;;google cediinnoopsssttuu 1054647;1426562954;gribble;Achievements - Robert Hooke Society: ; Download Sample pages 1 PDF - Springer: ; INNER ELASTICITY and the HIGHER-ORDER ELASTICITY of some ...: 1054648;1426563060;decimation;"In addition, Wasabi actually held up a NetBSD release for more than a week, while failing to tell even the developer community why. (The main release engineer happened to be a Wasabi employee, so this was easy.) After I personally pushed the release out without them, it was finally revealed that this was because there was a secret arrangement, which only Wasabi employees and Wasabi board members knew about, to do a combined NetBSD 1054649;1426563062;decimation;Foundation and Wasabi press release. They were actually upset at me for preempting this." << lol this guy is no linus 1054650;1426563085;decimation;that writing smacks of stallmans nerd-rage 1054651;1426563108;*;asciilifeform never really saw the 'rage' angle re: rms 1054652;1426563137;asciilifeform;the devil that rms preaches about - exists. 1054653;1426563152;asciilifeform;he walks around, you can go and touch him at your phriendly local electronics shop. 1054654;1426563193;asciilifeform;in fact, unless you're approximately in the same class of crackpot weirdo as rms - that devil is sitting right next to you in invisible chair. 1054655;1426563282;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8mKMtEg7M < 2:07 he rages 1054656;1426563283;assbot;Richard Stallman Goes Crazy and Freaks Out - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ftfi5u ) 1054657;1426563314;asciilifeform;was that when the pickpockets of buenos aires got his mips laptop ? 1054658;1426563321;decimation;heh I think so 1054659;1426563338;asciilifeform;not much to do with doctrine, then. 1054660;1426563371;decimation;no, more of "I let these people 'work' on my project and suddenly they were controlling it" 1054661;1426563452;asciilifeform;'Most of us had a very strong distaste for the so-called "virus" clause in the GPL, and this is the primary reason we did not adopt it. There was also some thinking that CSRG (Berkeley) and the X Consortium had been successful with leaner, looser licenses, so why bother. In retrospect I think this was naive; if you look at the history, you'll see that neither CSRG nor the X Consortium were really successful in getting third pa 1054662;1426563452;asciilifeform;rties to contribute back most of their changes--and so what we really got in both cases was a long list of derived but very different, and often incompatible, systems.' 1054663;1426563520;asciilifeform;^ fact is, gpl has perfectly valid reasons for existing; most of which resolve to folks not wishing to give aid and comfort to the enemy 1054664;1426563528;asciilifeform;if there is any way of preventing it 1054665;1426563569;decimation;it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project 1054666;1426563571;asciilifeform;and the enemy is approximately who rms tells us it is. 1054667;1426563618;asciilifeform;critics of rms are always very quick to remember the snot-eating or fits of frothing madness, or whateverthephuck but rarely address the actual arguments in anything like a direct and intelligent way 1054668;1426563632;decimation;I agree with that, but it also seems that the rms 'project' is largely failing 1054669;1426563664;asciilifeform;'jeszcze Polska nie zginęła' 1054670;1426563665;decimation;in the sense that the major 'open source' projects are switching to non-gpl licenses - or are trying to be devoured by the same 1054671;1426563666;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ? 1054672;1426563671;asciilifeform;^ from the pl national anthem 1054673;1426563691;asciilifeform;'pl is not yet dead' (next being, 'while we still live') 1054674;1426563704;mircea_popescu; 'Even today, blablabladerp.' << wat? << i'll tell you what. "mommy, i got a 7 in algebra, but you should have seen all the other kids at retard school, they got 3 and 4!" 1054675;1426563710;decimation;also, stallman hasn't done much about the 'hardware problem' 1054676;1426563731;asciilifeform;decimation: what would you suggest he do about it ? 1054677;1426563783;decimation;I have no idea, but it does seem like software cannot stand freely alone 1054678;1426563815;mircea_popescu; it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project << actually... it's all in the bias. irrespective of what the words may say, these were govenrment men. of course they saw no problem giving their thing to governmenty-something. their only actual problem would have been "terrorists", a 1054679;1426563815;mircea_popescu;ka, not drones getting it. 1054680;1426563825;asciilifeform;decimation: barring some quite perverse retroactive usg shenanigans (never say 'never.' it happened in ru) gpl stuff is staying gpl 1054681;1426563826;asciilifeform;forever. 1054682;1426563834;BingoBoingo; danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ? << In Theo's Bundle Theo blames Charles Hannum explicitly near the end. Demetrio in my reading of the dump seems to be an aggrevating factor. 1054683;1426563859;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only reason gpl stays gpl atm is because it's not worth much. otherwise... it didn't happen in the cccp only. it happened in the us, and everywhere else. 1054684;1426563889;decimation;asciilifeform: are you saying that commercial code isn't riddled with 'gpled snippets'? 1054685;1426563897;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, but still, as a point of procedure, muppet should be trained to back himself up. "here's what i say it was then, and here's where i published it then" 1054686;1426563914;mircea_popescu;they have to be forced to come to terms and accept the plain fact that if they don't publish, they ARE lying. 1054687;1426563925;mircea_popescu;no excuses, no slack cut for any reason. you keep a blog or fuck you. 1054688;1426563942;asciilifeform;decimation: no, merely that everything once published under gpl is still distributable, no one has yet come up with, in usa, with 'we retroactively own this' 1054689;1426563954;asciilifeform;attempts - yes. but ticket wasn't punched yet. 1054690;1426563955;asciilifeform;yet. 1054691;1426563993;mircea_popescu;the peasants demand church land be redistributed! 1054692;1426564000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was referring to the post-soviet laugh where you now 'have to' (lol) pay to see the filmz i grew up with, etc 1054693;1426564012;mircea_popescu;ah, that. 1054694;1426564014;asciilifeform;the 'privatization' of everything 1054695;1426564032;asciilifeform;ussr did not sign berne convention 1054696;1426564036;asciilifeform;but ru did 1054697;1426564038;asciilifeform;'95 1054698;1426564041;mircea_popescu;so ? 1054699;1426564044;asciilifeform;and -retroactive- 1054700;1426564048;mircea_popescu;yeah right. 1054701;1426564064;asciilifeform;article 18 iirc 1054702;1426564097;mircea_popescu;you can put anything you want on paper, doesn't mean jack. 1054703;1426564105;asciilifeform;didn't say it -meant- 1054704;1426564111;asciilifeform;but that it went on the paper 1054705;1426564124;asciilifeform;one doesn't have to believe in god to discuss religion 1054706;1426564126;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1054707;1426564138;asciilifeform;(see eben moglen re: rule of law) 1054708;1426564189;mircea_popescu;;;google eben moglen rule of law 1054709;1426564190;gribble;Eben Moglen: "Snowden and the Future" | David Bollier: ; Eben Moglen: ; Legal Fictions and Common Law Legal Theory - Eben Moglen: 1054710;1426564202;*;mircea_popescu never read all this snowden derivative corpus 1054711;1426564229;asciilifeform;iirc it was short & simple, something like 'yeah i'm an anarchist lawyer. you don't have to like disease to be a doctor, either' 1054712;1426564265;mircea_popescu;works. 1054713;1426564294;asciilifeform;'We honestly had (and have) developers who think that changing all the line-ending whitespace was really important. Or that whether there are some "legacy" K&R-style prototypes actually matters. These people go around committing non-functional changes, which makes source management (and specifically patching and merging) really painful, and which, unfortunately, also often breaks things accidentally. What's worse is that somet 1054714;1426564294;asciilifeform;imes they don't even bother trying to compile it, much less test it. I wish I was making this up; I wish more that I had made these people go away a long time ago.' 1054715;1426564301;asciilifeform;^ still alive & well and with us. 1054716;1426564348;mircea_popescu;anyone who has this problem is an idiot of the same breath as the guy with a bitchy wife. 1054717;1426564358;mircea_popescu;shoulda frowned her in time. 1054718;1426564536;BingoBoingo;http://altoz.liberty.me/2015/03/17/why-ripple-is-the-enemy/ 1054719;1426564537;assbot;Why Ripple is the Enemy - Bit Blogger ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ftk6YB ) 1054720;1426564640;asciilifeform;obvious usg altcoin is obvious 1054721;1426564654;asciilifeform;at least, afaik they're the readiest fit for the role. 1054722;1426564837;danielpbarron;"She was pretty drunk so this speech was littered with lovely curse words and slurring." << did this interview take place in b-a or something? 1054723;1426565177;decimation;asciilifeform: re: what to do about hardware < sell diy "mr. fuser" kit at costco? 1054724;1426565472;BingoBoingo;http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2006/08/30/0016.html << lol "Speaking of which, there must be negative feedback to discourage people from breaking stuff. This has been a continual problem with certain "developers" for more than a decade." 1054725;1426565473;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GORRSq ) 1054726;1426565936;danielpbarron;basically saying they need to be more like the guy they kicked out 1054727;1426566026;BingoBoingo;Not they, he 1054728;1426566517;decimation;http://sputniknews.com/military/20150316/1019544767.html < ru mil 'conducting excercises' in eastern ru 1054729;1426566518;assbot;Russia Starts Large-Scale Communications Drills in Nine Regions / Sputnik International ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu2Ouw ) 1054730;1426566762;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/kernelslacker/status/577636505239289856 1054731;1426566763;assbot;The advance warning for this OpenSSL bug can only mean one thing. There's going to be a dope logo for this bug on Thursday. 1054732;1426567068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 716 @ 0.01449993 = 10.3819 BTC [+] {2} 1054733;1426567125;danielpbarron;!up brendafdez 1054734;1426567284;brendafdez;nice i can haz voice. I was trying to use SASL authentication on hexchat, but for some reaosn it doesn't seem to work. Gave up, is very difficult, this irc stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_tHmL2Oug 1054735;1426567285;assbot;TÉVEZ - VERY DIFFICULT - BIEN SUBTITULADO ESPAÑOL INGLÉS - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu4kgb ) 1054736;1426567305;mircea_popescu;"As one of the 4 originators of NetBSD, I am in a fairly unique position." 1054737;1426567311;mircea_popescu;math is hard. fourtique position ! 1054738;1426567329;mircea_popescu;!gettrust brendafdez 1054739;1426567329;assbot;brendafdez is not registered in WoT. 1054740;1426567334;mircea_popescu;^ do that. 1054741;1426567353;mircea_popescu;sasl is for the birds. 1054742;1426567525;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5SbHmZuRPU << sometimes the HORSE matador. 1054743;1426567527;assbot;Corrida Nîmes - The Horse bite and kill the bull ! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu4LHr ) 1054744;1426567581;brendafdez;;;ident brendafdez 1054745;1426567581;gribble;Nick 'brendafdez', with hostmask 'brendafdez!~brendafde@unaffiliated/brendafdez', is identified as user 'brendafdez', with GPG key id CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4, key fingerprint 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4, and bitcoin address None 1054746;1426567774;mircea_popescu;other 1. 1054747;1426567799;BingoBoingo;!h 1054748;1426567799;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1054749;1426568022;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: Assbot has its own way to authenticate use !register 1054750;1426568136;mircea_popescu;"The existing NetBSD Foundation must be disbanded, and replaced with an organization that fulfills its original purpose: to merely handle administrative issues" 1054751;1426568150;mircea_popescu;lol. imbecile "Foundation", a problem for every netbsd clone since day one. 1054752;1426568169;brendafdez;!register 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4 1054753;1426568169;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4. This may take a few moments. 1054754;1426568170;assbot;Key 81FCA4D4 / "Brenda Fernández " successfully imported. 1054755;1426568170;assbot;Registration successful. 1054756;1426568175;brendafdez;like so? 1054757;1426568233;mircea_popescu;yes. 1054758;1426568243;mircea_popescu;!rate brendafdez 1 New tits 1054759;1426568243;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/eda46b0d1274e0b8 1054760;1426568266;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.brendafdez.1:bd0936d5e7c2db1878ac7d3ac05fb79ac1087d9de8c7139108bbc564651c4aa1 1054761;1426568266;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: New tits 1054762;1426568272;mircea_popescu;you voice yourself by pm ing assbot !up 1054763;1426568339;brendafdez;wow (: 1054764;1426568434;BingoBoingo;https://wiki.ripple.com/Freeze 1054765;1426568435;assbot;Freeze - Ripple Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/18AjX8O ) 1054766;1426568687;BingoBoingo;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/06/heavily-armed-drug-cops-raid-retirees-garden-seize-okra-plants/ 1054767;1426568688;assbot;Heavily armed drug cops raid retiree’s garden, seize okra plants - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu78de ) 1054768;1426568830;ben_vulpes;;;later tell jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000034.html << why not a patch file for this? just to make me diff it myself? 1054769;1426568831;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18AlcVN ) 1054770;1426568831;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1054771;1426568970;ben_vulpes;a brendafdez! 1054772;1426569014;mircea_popescu;"The Cannabis Eradication programs have historically inflated the size of their hauls by including non-psychoactive "ditchweed" in their totals of plants seized. In past years, ditchweed accounted for up to 98 percent of seized outdoor plant totals." 1054773;1426569021;mircea_popescu;epic. the usg, inflating EVERYTHING. 1054774;1426569043;mircea_popescu;fake psychiatric patients. fake foster kids. fake homeless. fake pot captures, fake mit engineering degrees, fake currency 1054775;1426569047;mircea_popescu;and im sure, fake orgasms. 1054776;1426569271;BingoBoingo;;;google US fake orgasm epidemic 1054777;1426569273;gribble;The Orgasm Deficit - Cosmopolitan: ; The Under F**ked Pussy Epidemic (Every Woman Needs To Read ...: ; The infidelity epidemic: Never have marriage vows been under so ...: o/ 1054927;1426582978;mircea_popescu;well apparently he's disappeared o.O 1054928;1426582987;mircea_popescu;probably getting fucked to death. 1054929;1426582992;indiancandy1;huh 1054930;1426583061;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054796 << http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/134654389322.png 1054931;1426583061;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 08:04:27; brendafdez: such pain. I'd need another 10x bubble already to recover what I lost doing this kind of things, but this one seems to be running late. 1054932;1426583061;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoCvoA ) 1054933;1426583119;mircea_popescu;brendafdez so how did you get the idea you're really a dude ? 1054934;1426583127;indiancandy1;huh 1054935;1426583134;indiancandy1;i thought it was a male dressed as female 1054936;1426583165;mircea_popescu;arguably. 1054937;1426583178;brendafdez;dunno, they told me that i was male when they raised me, i thought they must know what they are saying... 1054938;1426583217;BingoBoingo;!up Bagels7 1054939;1426583239;mircea_popescu;oh im sorry. i meant to ask the other way. 1054940;1426583241;mircea_popescu;shit's confusing. 1054941;1426583250;mircea_popescu;so how did you get the idea you're really a broad ? 1054942;1426583270;indiancandy1;omg mircea 1054943;1426583272;brendafdez;shit's confusing 1054944;1426583276;indiancandy1;i just remembered] 1054945;1426583277;mircea_popescu;lol 1054946;1426583285;indiancandy1;you know the adult tv show i work in 1054947;1426583292;indiancandy1;basically they have a channel in romania 1054948;1426583293;mircea_popescu;actually i don't, but go on. 1054949;1426583304;indiancandy1;and the woman who runs it has the same surnma as you 1054950;1426583310;indiancandy1;i was like i wonder if your related 1054951;1426583311;mircea_popescu;haha, common enough. 1054952;1426583313;mircea_popescu;sorta like patel. 1054953;1426583318;indiancandy1;ohh 1054954;1426583431;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054818 << actually i dun think i ever was there 1054955;1426583431;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 08:34:55; indiancandy1: i thought mp was the only buyer 1054956;1426583441;indiancandy1;? 1054957;1426583456;indiancandy1;i thought it was you 1054958;1426583467;mircea_popescu;check it out, she's got a wiki page an' errything : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Dynamite 1054959;1426583468;assbot;Shanti Dynamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoDm8S ) 1054960;1426583472;mircea_popescu;you're the woman now, bitch! 1054961;1426583478;indiancandy1;sorry? 1054962;1426583483;indiancandy1;you lost me here baby 1054963;1426583496;mircea_popescu;"She has been adjudged as one of the 50 Sexiest Woman of Asia by British Newspaper Eastern Eye." 1054964;1426583514;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 "you're the man now, dog" , aka ytmnd is this internet phenomenon 1054965;1426583517;BingoBoingo;Also two movies coming out this year 1054966;1426583522;mircea_popescu;in truth was big about the time you were 12. 1054967;1426583555;indiancandy1;no 1054968;1426583558;indiancandy1;thats bullshit 1054969;1426583561;indiancandy1;ahah no movies :( 1054970;1426583569;mircea_popescu;"Parents divorced at age of 9 years, so Sofia and mother move to London, UK It was hard settling in London it was cold and completely different to Africa. Sofia grew up in North West London and South West London in Brixton Angel Town one of the roughest areas in London. Sofia got into gang culture as a teenager and left school at 16 to join a hair and beauty school. Sofia grew up in low class area and her mother was wo 1054971;1426583569;mircea_popescu;rking as a nurse but then salary did not cover living costs." 1054972;1426583581;indiancandy1;why are you quoting my wiki page 1054973;1426583592;mircea_popescu;check it out, she grew up rough in the streets of brixton! 1054974;1426583594;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1: But IMDB said... 1054975;1426583600;indiancandy1;i signed for them 1054976;1426583606;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 i dunno, mildly interesting. 1054977;1426583611;indiancandy1;but i had problems with directors 1054978;1426583615;BingoBoingo;Ah 1054979;1426583617;indiancandy1;so didnt end up shooting 1054980;1426583629;indiancandy1;so im back to being broke and famous 1054981;1426583630;indiancandy1;OL 1054982;1426583631;mircea_popescu;wait, you didn't end up shooting or they didn't end shooting up ? 1054983;1426583631;indiancandy1;lol 1054984;1426583662;indiancandy1;we didnt start the film yo 1054985;1426583701;mircea_popescu;aha. 1054986;1426583711;indiancandy1;yes dear 1054987;1426583720;indiancandy1;i filmed my twerk video alst week 1054988;1426583732;mircea_popescu;any good ? 1054989;1426583732;indiancandy1;im waiting to see the end rsults its in post production 1054990;1426583746;indiancandy1;hope it goes viral 1054991;1426583773;mircea_popescu;not unless you do something outright bizarre. 1054992;1426583779;indiancandy1;no in india 1054993;1426583795;indiancandy1;come on if you look at videos of my cleavage on utube hving 500k hits 1054994;1426583799;indiancandy1;indians are thirsty 1054995;1426583807;indiancandy1;and no indian has done twerk video before 1054996;1426583824;mircea_popescu;ah, then it might catch. 1054997;1426583874;mircea_popescu;it's so funny to me, all of east asia is pretty much one dick split up to two or even three men. india, right next to it... those dudes are reasonably hung. 1054998;1426583887;mircea_popescu;i imagine sino-indian conflict over the state of the pussy is inevitable. 1054999;1426583955;indiancandy1;now i dont want to ask how or why you know that kind of ino 1055000;1426583957;indiancandy1;info** 1055001;1426583966;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054880 << said he, pensively. 1055002;1426583966;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 08:48:46; fluffypony: I wish I was as cool as you 1055003;1426583978;fluffypony;hah hah 1055004;1426583981;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 i have friends, they like to talk. 1055005;1426584012;indiancandy1;about cock 1055006;1426584014;indiancandy1;lovely 1055007;1426584033;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1 1055008;1426584036;mircea_popescu;brendafdez: Not bad for an hour of time or so. << whadda ya do for a living anyway ? 1055009;1426584054;indiancandy1;whose got instagram yo? 1055010;1426584076;mircea_popescu;preppy kids, mostly. 1055011;1426584096;indiancandy1;LOL 1055012;1426584213;mircea_popescu;speaking of india, http://41.media.tumblr.com/2902864e96efd3672927519344c4612b/tumblr_mp7j05z2jW1rrh4y4o1_1280.jpg 1055013;1426584215;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoEUzC ) 1055014;1426584215;brendafdez;used to sell smuggled electronics. Then I thought I had money bc bitcoin, abandoned the former thing and pretended that I could succesfully work as a bitcoin broker, I made some good deals but all in all I was a very lame person in charge of my own business and it sucked. Now I realize I don't have money nor business, still a couple of bitcoins to go, but things aren't looking bright. Sucks. 1055015;1426584328;mircea_popescu;worst comes to worst, arbolito or something hm ? 1055016;1426584328;indiancandy1;used to sell smuggled electronics 1055017;1426584360;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 argentines are worse than indians, i think the only law respected here is the law of gravity. 1055018;1426584508;indiancandy1;can you bribe there? 1055019;1426584520;mircea_popescu;sure. 1055020;1426584534;indiancandy1;like in india you can bribe cops with small money 1055021;1426584538;brendafdez;where can't you? but yes, i bet we're really bad re:law 1055022;1426584562;BingoBoingo;Sounds awesome 1055023;1426584566;brendafdez;You can bribe a cop with fifty pesos here, like 4 dollars 1055024;1426584579;mircea_popescu;well it also depends what you're having him do. 1055025;1426584595;brendafdez;in this case it was for crossing a red light 1055026;1426584665;mircea_popescu;sounds more like he was trying to hit on you. i think ~1mn people jaywalk each day 1055027;1426584666;BingoBoingo;Here they'd beat you for a $50 bribe because insulting 1055028;1426584677;brendafdez;i was with a friend, he sorted it out with the cop 1055029;1426584695;indiancandy1;where do you live brenda 1055030;1426584698;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's really like old new york, no fucking body cares what the lights say. 1055031;1426584700;brendafdez;buenos aires 1055032;1426584757;davout;mircea_popescu: "sounds more like he was trying to hit on you. i think ~1mn people jaywalk each day" <<< massive understatement, unless you mean jaywalk and get fined for it 1055033;1426584758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48150 @ 0.00032276 = 15.5409 BTC [+] 1055034;1426584759;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah. I'm also guessing there you don't get SWAT called for okra 1055035;1426584769;mircea_popescu;davout no, just meant in caba 1055036;1426584774;brendafdez;not jaywalking, he was driving a car 1055037;1426584774;davout;ah 1055038;1426584912;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1055039;1426584916;gribble;Current Blocks: 347971 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 796 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46579597406.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.7879 1055040;1426584950;indiancandy1;mp is in bueno aires 1055041;1426584977;mircea_popescu;so i heard. 1055042;1426585037;brendafdez;most arbolitos work for a certain broker, i couldn't do that, I was my own market basically, i had money on btc-e and bitstamp and made there the trades i made with people here otc, like for instance, someone buys 5 btc, i buy 5 btc on bitstamp/btc-e, someone sells 2 btc i sell 2 btc. That was the theory, of course there was a spread and to me one year ago that soiunded like it could work, and sometimes it did, but there were many u 1055043;1426585037;brendafdez;nplanned issues. Also form what arbolitos tell me, they can basically do the trade at 'the cave' basically at the same time if they don't have both buyer and seller, and they are running out of money on one end. But I couldn't do that, there were times when I would in fact run out of money in the exchanges and had trades which i took at my own risk, and that was a very bad thing. 1055044;1426585073;mircea_popescu;brendafdez this because you're in principle against being an employee ? 1055045;1426585089;brendafdez;i am not 1055046;1426585098;mircea_popescu;so then ? of course you work for someone. 1055047;1426585111;mircea_popescu;that's how you learn to stop sucking at being your own boss, among other things 1055048;1426585117;mircea_popescu;such as, how to give killer blowjobs. 1055049;1426585126;brendafdez;maybe... 1055050;1426585138;indiancandy1;ahahah mp always have to include something naughty 1055051;1426585171;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 defo. it's the new world! raunchy an' rude. 1055052;1426585226;indiancandy1;lol 1055053;1426585236;indiancandy1;my nipple is in agony 1055054;1426585281;mircea_popescu;send it off to shovel snow. 1055055;1426585373;indiancandy1;this peircing is such a ... dont even knw the word 1055056;1426585452;Adlai;nagony! 1055057;1426585691;davout;nipple piercing... thinking about it is already painful 1055058;1426585729;indiancandy1;yea but its been almost 1year 1055059;1426585735;indiancandy1;and the god damn thing aint healed yet 1055060;1426585747;davout;do you to keep it that bad? 1055061;1426585774;davout;*do you want to keep it that bad? 1055062;1426585811;brendafdez;There was much less risk involved when I would sell shit, it was easier also, and besides I could bring many things via post shipments form DX, eBay and such (so I could many times spare the middle man), and it was just listing on MercadoLibre (local ebay equivalent), and most would sell, there wasn't much a way I could lose money, only it the thing didn't sell. I had to go and wait hours at customs, many times if the items weren't 1055063;1426585811;brendafdez;expensive they would let me go without paying bc they had more interesting stuff going on with other people, i had to go to the post or bus station and make shippments. In hindsight those were the good times and doing it wasn't hard. Then I started dabbling with bitcoin, I had been reading the forums on and off since 2011, i was too stupid then [not that it has changed] and cpu solo mined, made nothing, didn't get the thing. Then I 1055064;1426585812;brendafdez;bought some bitcoins via The Rock and VirWox with Linden Dollars, in the beggining of 2013, which was would seem a lucky move, but I wasn't able to do much with that. 1055065;1426585858;*;Adlai startled to find himself converging upon http://flarelang.sourceforge.net/idioms.html#classes 1055066;1426585859;assbot;Idioms of Flare ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoIAl6 ) 1055067;1426585862;Adlai;!up indiancandy1 1055068;1426585883;indiancandy1;shal i invest in btc 1055069;1426585911;*;Adlai !upped you for that? 1055070;1426585914;brendafdez;I had a couple of opportunities to work for/with someone else but they didn't seem like a good deal, for instance one of the local brokers who was then dealing even lower amounts than I was and who wasn't an intersting person, and had a past of dealing substances ("knew the street") offered to start a business together. I rejected the offer, it seemed more risky and not the kind of people I'd want ot be associated with 1055071;1426585916;davout;didn't you just say you were broke? 1055072;1426585953;Adlai;indiancandy1: as mircea_popescu loves to say, bitcoin is a priviledge for those who can afford to throw away some money. mostly because you'll find yourself incredibly averse to spending them, once you realize their value 1055073;1426586008;Adlai;even if the value goes up, and saner voices suggest selling for a profit... you'll want it to go highir! 1055074;1426586009;indiancandy1;but i dont get the technical part though 1055075;1426586028;Adlai;which part of it? 1055076;1426586052;kakobrekla;what room is this? 1055077;1426586056;Adlai;(the technical side of bitcoin has several parts which solve different problems) 1055078;1426586099;Adlai;kakobrekla: the sister advice to what i told indiancandy1 is that if you have any money to waste, waste it on btc :) 1055079;1426586110;indiancandy1;i do have money to waiste 1055080;1426586133;mircea_popescu;Adlai incredibly averse < experientia docent ? :) 1055081;1426586139;indiancandy1;you should open a btc consultancy guys 1055082;1426586141;Adlai;ja 1055083;1426586164;brendafdez;either that or a rehab farm 1055084;1426586170;mircea_popescu; and the god damn thing aint healed yet << nipple piercings are horribru for this reason. 1055085;1426586176;Adlai;more like Assoholics Anonymous 1055086;1426586216;BingoBoingo;!up cjc 1055087;1426586218;kakobrekla;im not anon 1055088;1426586224;BingoBoingo;^ 1055089;1426586233;cjc;thx 1055090;1426586238;Adlai;Asscoholics WoTonymous 1055091;1426586254;Adlai;sorry, wotonimous 1055092;1426586256;mircea_popescu;only noobs are anon 1055093;1426586275;Adlai;(when in venice, spell as the roma do) 1055094;1426586279;mircea_popescu;brendafdez it wouldn't be that fat derp what's his face 1055095;1426586312;indiancandy1;hahahaha 1055096;1426586325;indiancandy1;i feel like im kinda addicted to come here 1055097;1426586331;indiancandy1;as i have no work with btc 1055098;1426586336;brendafdez;his face? 1055099;1426586379;mircea_popescu;digicoins.io 1055100;1426586392;mircea_popescu;dante something 1055101;1426586414;brendafdez;can't confirm nor deny, not here at least. This offer happened in mid 2013, before the digicoins name was even invented :P 1055102;1426586422;mircea_popescu;heh. 1055103;1426586426;mircea_popescu;such a fucking derp. 1055104;1426586446;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1: Could be worse. At least you aren't the start meth lab in the aisle at Walmart sort of addict. 1055105;1426586458;BingoBoingo;;;google walmart methlab trend 1055106;1426586459;gribble;Meth lab uncovered inside restroom at Indiana Walmart | Fox 59: ; Meth lab found inside Walmart restroom in Indiana | WGN-TV: ; You Can Find Anything at Walmart ... Even a Meth Lab: (1 more message) 1055107;1426586463;indiancandy1;we dont have walmart here 1055108;1426586470;mircea_popescu;it's asda all the way! 1055109;1426586476;indiancandy1;omg you know! 1055110;1426586486;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/14705de95fdc4ce07244e95aea28981f/tumblr_n0yzsaTPDe1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg << this is how walmart looks in yurp 1055111;1426586488;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ9Nfz ) 1055112;1426586545;indiancandy1;im not into drugs 1055113;1426586560;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw re pheasant phuckers : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu4fP4fOHE 1055114;1426586561;assbot;Pinky and the Brain, Tongue Twister - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQa2av ) 1055115;1426586562;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 how come ? 1055116;1426586611;indiancandy1;i prefer life sover 1055117;1426586613;indiancandy1;sober 1055118;1426586621;indiancandy1;i bet you get good cocaine in argentina 1055119;1426586643;brendafdez;there's potential for regret about the things i'm saying here. Shit could end up hitting the fan, like it did with the cam thing. 1055120;1426586661;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 so i hear. 1055121;1426586682;mircea_popescu;brendafdez errything's logged. 1055122;1426586702;brendafdez;yep 1055123;1426586703;indiancandy1;do you dabble? 1055124;1426586707;mircea_popescu;nah 1055125;1426586713;mircea_popescu;im too rich to do drugs. 1055126;1426586721;brendafdez;when will we have an oficial b-a miranda warning? 1055127;1426586722;indiancandy1;not quite 1055128;1426586729;indiancandy1;most rich people do drugs 1055129;1426586740;indiancandy1;maybe rich in life :) 1055130;1426586744;mircea_popescu;nah. that's poor people trying to see what it's like. 1055131;1426586746;indiancandy1;to happy to need it 1055132;1426586771;indiancandy1;im rich in life 1055133;1426586775;indiancandy1;to do drugs 1055134;1426586777;mircea_popescu;tits ? 1055135;1426586778;BingoBoingo;The drugs thing and the bitcoin thing especially don't mix well 1055136;1426586781;cjc;I surmised the ancient Egyptians had monoatomic gold which they snorted and ate -- 1055137;1426586803;cjc;and it increased the electromagnetic conductivity of their body system by 10,000 percent 1055138;1426586808;cjc;that must have been like a drug 1055139;1426586815;cjc;building the pyramids with their minds 1055140;1426586830;mircea_popescu;o.O 1055141;1426586839;mircea_popescu;superconducting pharoh. 1055142;1426586857;cjc;yeah, monoatomic gold is a white powder not a metal 1055143;1426586914;*;mircea_popescu looks through the logs, sees two womenz going "omfg you know" about wildly unrelated shit within the next 10 minutes 1055144;1426586923;*;mircea_popescu figures he's getting a good deal on that intel dept. 1055145;1426586981;brendafdez;;) 1055146;1426586998;Adlai;brendafdez: we call it the robert paulsen effect 1055147;1426587000;Adlai;!s robert 1055148;1426587000;assbot;106 results for 'robert' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert 1055149;1426587038;mircea_popescu;i thoughjt it was the hungarian spammer effect, robert vigh or w/e it was 1055150;1426587057;Adlai;;;google robert paulsen 1055151;1426587057;gribble;Rob Paulsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; His Name is Robert Paulson - YouTube: ; Rob Paulsen - IMDb: 1055152;1426587092;Adlai;youtube fixed my typo 1055153;1426587137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97300 @ 0.00032713 = 31.8297 BTC [+] {4} 1055154;1426587139;Adlai;hah search.b-a is 3rd on google results for his name 1055155;1426587141;mircea_popescu;!s robert viragh 1055156;1426587141;assbot;9 results for 'robert viragh' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert+viragh 1055157;1426587168;brendafdez;i always think being the intel asset is a bad deal, for said asset that it. There always comes a point in which using that information is worth more than keeping the source. 1055158;1426587191;mircea_popescu;this is an argument similar to "there always comes a point when a trusted party runs with the money" 1055159;1426587196;mircea_popescu;this is not actually how life works. 1055160;1426587204;brendafdez;thanks for pointing it out 1055161;1426587211;Adlai;no, this is actually how cancer works 1055162;1426587216;mircea_popescu;quite 1055163;1426587298;mircea_popescu;for that matter, people who think in simple money terms end up outsourcing their industrial base to china and then wondering where the country went. 1055164;1426587331;mircea_popescu;water is perhaps the best example of strict local optimizer. the water in your cup, much like the water in the hydroplant lake, would very much like to go lower, however... for lack of a direct path, there it stays. 1055165;1426587338;mircea_popescu;easy to manipulate, easy to defeat. poor strat. 1055166;1426587471;Adlai;water doesn't have a 'strategy' though, same way that corn didn't plan to enslave monkeys to grow more of it 1055167;1426587492;mircea_popescu;well, it could be deemed to have a strategy , reducing to "pursue the shortest term maximal gain" 1055168;1426587556;mircea_popescu;obviously this is not philosophically correct, but for our purpose here imo sufficient 1055169;1426587560;Adlai;this is reducing the word 'strategy' to the same level as 'mobile strategy', 'social strategy', 'cloud strategy', etc 1055170;1426587616;mircea_popescu;right 1055171;1426587630;mircea_popescu;but this reduction is adequate given what's being contemplated here. 1055172;1426587695;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1055173;1426587840;cazalla;http://www.xvideos.com/video6597817/shanti_sofia_redlightcentral_10.12.2013 1055174;1426587840;assbot;Shanti Sofia RedLightCentral 10.12.2013 - XVIDEOS.COM ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQf9HC ) 1055175;1426587912;brendafdez;youtube-dl was the key to finally going flash-free, such a handy tool 1055176;1426587936;mircea_popescu;cazalla anything good ? 1055177;1426587969;cazalla;doesn't even remove knickers.. 1055178;1426587978;cazalla;such a tease, but never delivers the goods 1055179;1426588038;cazalla;don't mind the darker areola, but that's on account pinks are in oversupply down under 1055180;1426588069;mircea_popescu;isn't it unpatriotic to rub it to unenglish roses ?! 1055181;1426588074;mircea_popescu;what'd the queen say! 1055182;1426588128;cazalla;sif she hasn't had her way with the nigro garden over the years 1055183;1426588137;cazalla;gardener even 1055184;1426588140;mircea_popescu;;;ud sif 1055185;1426588141;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SIF | The SIF is quite adept at hiding his or her fat on the Internet. Usually a LiveJournal or MySpace user, they use Photoshop, high-constrast photos, and strategic ... 1055186;1426588150;mircea_popescu;hm 1055187;1426588156;cazalla;sif = as if 1055188;1426588171;cazalla;perhaps australian thing, sif i'd know 1055189;1426588306;brendafdez;cazalla, are you the guy i should contact if i want to steal from qntra? 1055190;1426588330;cazalla;steal what? content? 1055191;1426588337;brendafdez;yep :P 1055192;1426588361;brendafdez;I've been translating a couple of articles http://brendafernandez.com/?s=qntra just three of them, not the press release with the cat poooping, for sure 1055193;1426588362;assbot; qntra | Search Results | Brenda Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQgOgi ) 1055194;1426588376;cazalla;i would rather you didn't, but i'm not the type to play whack a mole by sending dmca takedowns 1055195;1426588387;brendafdez;ok, just that, then i won't do it 1055196;1426588402;brendafdez;just those three 1055197;1426588424;cazalla;if you stick around, there is no reason why you couldn't write for qntra itself 1055198;1426588435;brendafdez;but i like writing in spanish 1055199;1426588497;brendafdez;if there aren't many sane voices in the english bitcoin space, imagine what it's like in spanish-land 1055200;1426588513;cazalla;that's ok, perhaps we set you up as the spanish correspondent 1055201;1426588519;mircea_popescu;it's a news site tho. i dun see it'd damage anything if she translates to spanish, provided something reasonable like say articles are a week old. 1055202;1426588520;Adlai;there is also no reason why qntra qldn't issue shares for translations 1055203;1426588547;brendafdez;so, qntra translations seemed cool :P, i atributed them, of course, but i know that's technically not enough 1055204;1426588555;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i thought she meant copy/pasta word for word, english to spanish, i wouldn't have known unless she said so anyway 1055205;1426588586;mircea_popescu;well if it's english to spanish it's necessarily not word for word, they use different words en castellan 1055206;1426588591;Adlai;why not have language sections on qntra, with some lesser share issuence for translations? 1055207;1426588603;mircea_popescu;Adlai because of the can of worms that "lesser share" opens 1055208;1426588663;cazalla;if qntra were to ever publish in another language, chinesey and spanish would be the top 2 imo 1055209;1426588673;mircea_popescu;prolly, yea 1055210;1426588683;mircea_popescu;it is a huge language space, even if atm bitcoin poor. 1055211;1426588691;Adlai;the only can opener in town belongs to qntra's editor in chief 1055212;1426588704;mircea_popescu;Adlai nah, this is equity. 1055213;1426588719;Adlai;ok, to the board, and they can put it to shareholder vote 1055214;1426588724;Adlai;3.2e 1055215;1426588732;cazalla;brendafdez, anyway i only ask you refrain from reposting english articles, if you wish to translate ones to spanish, go for it but as mircea_popescu, perhaps give our own articles some time before doing so 1055216;1426588733;mircea_popescu;shares don't vote, but anyway. 1055217;1426588739;Adlai;http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=S.QNTR 3.2e ! 1055218;1426588740;assbot;S.QNTR last 9477@0.00021105 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqVdxC ) 1055219;1426588768;mircea_popescu;(e) S.QNTR shares do not have voting rights. ? 1055220;1426588774;cazalla;as he said i meant to say (i'm tired) 1055221;1426588800;*;Adlai is baffled by this discouragement of widening the audience 1055222;1426588815;mircea_popescu;how's anything discouraged! 1055223;1426589023;cazalla;hardly discouraged, a writer would earn a good amount of s.qntr translating our english articles 1055224;1426589063;mircea_popescu;yeah, brendafdez why not do it directly for qntra ? you got a gpg id now and errything 1055225;1426589095;mircea_popescu;cazalla does she get half share for translation or what ? 1055226;1426589102;cazalla;indiancandy1, looks like you were upstaged by another indian named baby doll? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1c7hx6_baby-doll-is-a-copy-of-shanti-dynamite_shortfilms 1055227;1426589103;assbot;BABY Doll is a Copy of Shanti Dynamite - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQjsCZ ) 1055228;1426589117;cazalla;mircea_popescu, to be discussed i guess 1055229;1426589168;brendafdez;doing it directly for qntra would certainly be even better than just having permission to keep doing it on my own 1055230;1426589193;mircea_popescu;brendafdez for that matter, you're fluent enough in english, can write news in english too 1055231;1426589198;mircea_popescu;iirc cazalla was always short hands 1055232;1426589231;brendafdez;but i don't like english ;) just wait until I've spent a few more btc and then I'll take anything :D 1055233;1426589259;cazalla;bwahaa "The hot and sensuous Playboy host Shanti Dynamite has become the first Indian to get her nipples pierced and has thus created history." 1055234;1426589262;mircea_popescu;last guy that liked english lived in like 1890 1055235;1426589278;mircea_popescu;is that even true indiancandy1 ?! 1055236;1426589291;mircea_popescu;i thought india fucking invented piercing, spread to arabs from there. 1055237;1426589295;cazalla;http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1x96xc_shanti-dynamite-s-painful-piercing-exclusive-coverage_news 1055238;1426589297;assbot;Shanti Dynamite's Painful Piercing - Exclusive Coverage - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQk4bL ) 1055239;1426589322;indiancandy1;wasim shower 1055240;1426589326;indiancandy1;was in shower 1055241;1426589332;indiancandy1;what happened 1055242;1426589335;mircea_popescu;there's worse places. 1055243;1426589340;indiancandy1;lol 1055244;1426589406;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 so are you earning 0.1 btc with your tits that made history yet ? 1055245;1426589448;indiancandy1;whats 0.1 1055246;1426589455;mircea_popescu;i dunno, like 30 bux 1055247;1426589462;indiancandy1;i make more babes 1055248;1426589464;indiancandy1;come on 1055249;1426589480;mircea_popescu;aww 1055250;1426589488;mircea_popescu;i guess gotta wait for btc to go up moar. 1055251;1426589533;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1055252;1426589570;indiancandy1;i dont use btc 1055253;1426589573;indiancandy1;for work 1055254;1426589582;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055074 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-w7SnQWwVA 1055255;1426589582;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 09:53:29; indiancandy1: but i dont get the technical part though 1055256;1426589583;assbot;Bitcoin - Overview - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQl2EK ) 1055257;1426589706;indiancandy1;i mean like if i buy bitcoin 1055258;1426589717;indiancandy1;i gota constantly watch it and stuff i dont even know how to count just about 1055259;1426589728;indiancandy1;so if i cant count normal numbers cant surely cant btc 1055260;1426589733;mircea_popescu;you don;'t have to watch it, think of it as your retirement. 1055261;1426589740;mircea_popescu;what you gonna do when you're old ? 1055262;1426589756;indiancandy1;no clue 1055263;1426589758;cazalla;she's gonna be a young starlet forever! 1055264;1426589762;indiancandy1;ahaha never 1055265;1426589766;mircea_popescu;lol 1055266;1426589777;Adlai;well, you do need to watch out that you don't use bad security practices; the equivalent of not leaving wads of cash lying around in a busy restaurant when you go to the bathroom 1055267;1426589784;indiancandy1;this guy who has a tv show on sahara 1 called kismat connections 1055268;1426589793;indiancandy1;basically a fotune teller type neurology fellow 1055269;1426589804;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 lemme show you something. http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 << bunch of dumb cocksuckers on a stripper forum were offered 1 btc free in 2012, wouldn't take it. was >1000 dollars. 1055270;1426589805;assbot;Various kinds of stickiness pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqXrwO ) 1055271;1426589805;indiancandy1;told me i will have to overcome major obstacles but i will be succesful 1055272;1426589806;Adlai;but if you've used good security initially, you don't need to "watch over" your bitcoin 1055273;1426589814;brendafdez;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSEwwOt_ic 1055274;1426589816;assbot;No One Understands Bitcoins [Garlic Jackson Comedy] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqXtVy ) 1055275;1426589821;mircea_popescu;today's 0.1 btc may well be a fortune in a few years. 1055276;1426589840;Adlai;brendafdez: hey now, i linked the 10min khanacademy, not the five-hours-and-counting princeton lectures 1055277;1426589849;indiancandy1;the girls vagina on the left looks like a donner kebab 1055278;1426589857;indiancandy1;to much meat going on 1055279;1426589863;brendafdez;(: 1055280;1426589865;cazalla;i don't mind that indiancandy1 :) 1055281;1426589875;indiancandy1;mircea you look like lincoln 1055282;1426589878;indiancandy1;in ur pic 1055283;1426589933;cazalla;media might have you believe its men pushing women into labiaplasty but there you go, proof positive it's other bitches 1055284;1426589937;indiancandy1;i read something about a 13 yr old not being laid 1055285;1426589943;indiancandy1;wtf who condones such shit 1055286;1426589965;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 i was going more for lenin 1055287;1426589970;indiancandy1;it has a flower 1055288;1426589975;indiancandy1;growing in between her legs 1055289;1426589988;indiancandy1;creature 1055290;1426589992;indiancandy1;growler 1055291;1426589995;indiancandy1;O GOD 1055292;1426590000;mircea_popescu;you been showering in whiskey hon ? 1055293;1426590028;cazalla;just the thought eh BingoBoingo 1055294;1426590050;mircea_popescu;cazalla try it sometime, drink champagne offa da twists. 1055295;1426590076;cazalla;;;ud twists 1055296;1426590077;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twist | twist. a derogatory term used for someone who gets their kicks by playing mind games or toys with people's hearts. So she lead me on and then told me she was  ... 1055297;1426590091;mircea_popescu;nah, irish for chick. like bird, ride is english for same. 1055298;1426590101;cazalla;akay 1055299;1426590110;indiancandy1;lmao 1055300;1426590117;indiancandy1;i like ur dress sense mp 1055301;1426590121;mircea_popescu;and ironically, cunt = guy. 1055302;1426590125;mircea_popescu;why ty. 1055303;1426590130;indiancandy1;cunt means pussy 1055304;1426590145;mircea_popescu;nah. 1055305;1426590151;cazalla;mircea_popescu, yeah we use cunt here often 1055306;1426590161;mircea_popescu;;;google bigby was a hard cunt, but he wasn;t hard enough he didn't shit it at the thought of 20 years in gaol. 1055307;1426590162;gribble;Trainspotting (1996) - Quotes - IMDb: ; Previously On: The Wolf Among Us - "Cry Wolf" - Giant Bomb: ; To all the people who shot ***** - Telltale Community - Telltale Games: (1 more message) 1055308;1426590173;cazalla;hence http://www.quickmeme.com/img/df/df1550588e4f322cdd9de8ab8c8d942f3616c06ab06764d7219734294389450b.jpg 1055309;1426590174;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQn7kf ) 1055310;1426590199;davout;cazalla: lol 1055311;1426590209;davout;such downunderness 1055312;1426590236;indiancandy1;mp you should invest in me 1055313;1426590236;indiancandy1;:) 1055314;1426590247;cazalla;apparently cunt is quite offensive in the us 1055315;1426590251;indiancandy1;btw did you watch 50shades 1055316;1426590253;mircea_popescu;but your best assets are goingdown not up. 1055317;1426590258;mircea_popescu;nah. 1055318;1426590312;indiancandy1;aahahah 1055319;1426590322;indiancandy1;u got jokes 1055320;1426590330;mircea_popescu;:) 1055321;1426590352;mircea_popescu;cazalla only to pussies. 1055322;1426590389;indiancandy1;cunt is very british 1055323;1426590391;indiancandy1;word 1055324;1426590451;mircea_popescu;alrighty cuties, i'll be off to go watch 50 shades of gray live. 1055325;1426590465;indiancandy1;ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 1055326;1426590467;indiancandy1;where my invite 1055327;1426590480;indiancandy1;take pics 1055328;1426591571;davout;for my fellow dutch speakers http://i47.tinypic.com/15mdagw.jpg 1055329;1426591572;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQtcgl ) 1055330;1426591672;brendafdez;doesn't the throat suffer from speaking dutch all day? 1055331;1426591833;davout;:D 1055332;1426591901;davout;i speakk french all day, kind of ashamed of my dutch atm 1055333;1426592143;brendafdez;back before i lost my German to rust, i would hear people speak dutch and it felt like the broken dialect of those who couldn't speak with the mouth 1055334;1426592168;brendafdez;the same happens to me with portuguese, which i walways perceive as broken spanish 1055335;1426592247;davout;yeah, to me a german speaker sounds like a dutch speaker on cocaine 1055336;1426592292;brendafdez;interesting stuff 1055337;1426592381;brendafdez;cocaine, i mean 1055338;1426592490;davout;lol 1055339;1426592527;davout;does anyone here have stable nodes that I can add in my bitcoin.conf? 1055340;1426594222;danielpbarron;height=283309 vs height=211544 1055341;1426596142;danielpbarron;;;later tell mod6 http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5.txt << what's that thing you want me to do? I commented out "strip bitcoind" 1055342;1426596143;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bdnoUM ) 1055343;1426596143;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1055344;1426596160;chetty;http://venturevillage.eu/curiosity-and-ignorance 1055345;1426596161;assbot;Curiosity and Ignorance (Or – Why expat life appeals to your inner child) ... ( http://bit.ly/1bdnn2V ) 1055346;1426596720;danielpbarron;!up shinohai 1055347;1426597142;shinohai;ty danielpbarron. how goes it in the land of #bitcoin-assets 1055348;1426597620;danielpbarron;it goes alright 1055349;1426597633;danielpbarron;what brings you here? 1055350;1426598614;danielpbarron;!up shinohai 1055351;1426598663;shinohai;I lurk in here from time to time and read logs. Good community fr me to stay informed regarding bitcoin. 1055352;1426599483;Adlai;better open your mouth and be corrected an idiot, than remain silent and drift about 1055353;1426600071;shinohai;lol true. 1055354;1426600097;shinohai;i am a bit of a bitcoin purist 1055355;1426600224;kakobrekla;altcryptoextremist? allah akbar! 1055356;1426600288;shinohai;I'm more if it isn't broke, why fix it kind of guy. 1055357;1426600699;danielpbarron;!up shinohai 1055358;1426600912;danielpbarron;shinohai, are you familiar with GPG? 1055359;1426600987;chetty; I'm more if it isn't broke, why fix it kind of guy.// more of these needed in the world 1055360;1426602617;nubbins`;chetty also more "if it's broke, fix it" people needed 1055361;1426602636;nubbins`;man, that's a good cup of coffee. 1055362;1426602814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00030874 = 8.5212 BTC [-] 1055363;1426603244;mod6;danielpbarron: hi, so it looks like you built OpenSSL, BDB and Boost I'm guessing by the look of that log file? Now it looks like you need to compile bitcoin v0.5.3.1 1055364;1426603291;mod6;What arch are you on x32|x64? 1055365;1426603342;mod6;Anyway, if x32 ( I remember this had problems last week ) I'd be awesome if you could execute: `readelf --dynamic bitcoin/src/bitcoind`, but you have to have bitcoind built first. 1055366;1426603351;mod6;s/I'd/It'd/ 1055367;1426603387;danielpbarron;that was the auto.sh thing 1055368;1426603399;mod6;Sorry? 1055369;1426603400;danielpbarron;the one linked on the front page of the foundation 1055370;1426603417;mod6;I still don't follow. 1055371;1426603443;mod6;Yeah, I linked the auto.sh script (v0.0.5) + signature to the website. 1055372;1426603500;mod6;oh, I see what you did. heheh. Yeah, you need to have a directory of patched v0.5.3.1 source in 'bitcoin' first. 1055373;1426603514;mod6;then place auto.sh in the same directory as 'bitcoin', then execute. 1055374;1426603521;nubbins`;is this an arm cross-compile on x(32/64)? 1055375;1426603528;mod6;nubbins`: no. 1055376;1426603530;nubbins`;k 1055377;1426603535;*;nubbins` wanders 1055378;1426603550;mod6;v0.5.3.1-release is going to be x64 linux only. 1055379;1426603563;nubbins`;proper thing 1055380;1426603582;mod6;anyway, i'm in the process for rolling this release, so part of what I'm doing is putting the scripts required to build (such as auto.sh) on the website for reference. 1055381;1426603602;nubbins`;i got bogged down last night trying to cross-compile arch linux for the pogo. osx is no fun 1055382;1426603621;nubbins`;well. resolving clang/gcc incompatibilities is no fun 1055383;1426603622;mod6;*nod*, yeah i truthfully don't know much about the entire pogo thing. 1055384;1426603640;nubbins`;if i had a vanilla linux box here, it'd likely be no sweat 1055385;1426603686;nubbins`;binutils really doesn't like clang 1055386;1426603727;mod6;<+kakobrekla> altcryptoextremist? allah akbar! << lol 1055387;1426603824;mod6;danielpbarron: so yeah, some extra instructions up there probably would have helped huh. i'll de-link those later. 1055388;1426603843;mod6;i have this idea in my mind that people know what stuff is i guess. 1055389;1426603852;mod6;turns out, lol, that's not true. 1055390;1426603936;mod6;the release tarball will end up being linked up there. and the containing RELEASE_NOTES.txt file will point to the patch/script tarballs up there just so they're availble individually somewhere. 1055391;1426603962;mod6;speaking of which, with any luck, I might have RC1 rolled by late tonight. 1055392;1426603997;mod6;it'd would be cool, when i give you guys a link, if you could pull it down, and build it. (if you have a linux x64 machine, if not, don't bother) 1055393;1426604146;nubbins`;i'll try it here just for badness 1055394;1426604417;mod6;sweet nubbins`, thanks. 1055395;1426604423;nubbins`;np 1055396;1426604434;mod6;could be tonight, tomorrow on MPEx's birthday at the latest. 1055397;1426604477;thestringpuller;mod6: is going to be x64 linux only << Why you disenfranchising 32bit users! 1055398;1426604510;nubbins`;may not be linux but it's still POSIX compliant 8) 1055399;1426604527;nubbins`;since 10.6! i had no idea) 1055400;1426604535;mod6;for some reason, the only person built it on x32, and it didn't work. and I don't have time to work on that. 1055401;1426604552;mod6;patches are welcome if you want to work on that. 1055402;1426604563;mod6;otherwise that'll be available at a later time. 1055403;1426604576;danielpbarron;why does everyone have 64 now? 1055404;1426604649;mod6;bah. *only one person built it on x32 1055405;1426604704;nubbins`;danielpbarron 'cos it's 2015 :/ 1055406;1426604766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45282 @ 0.00031566 = 14.2937 BTC [+] 1055407;1426604821;mod6;anyway, it certainly is a goal to support x32. it'll just be in the next release. this has been dragging out too long. 1055408;1426604833;mod6;need to get this one wrapped up. 1055409;1426604852;nubbins`;^ 1055410;1426604859;nubbins`;finish making the suit before you hem the pants 1055411;1426604899;mod6;*nod* and as previously discussed, we'll be doing shorter release cycles going forward. none of this 4.5 month type stuff if possible. 1055412;1426604947;mod6;bottom line here is, we don't wanna paint ourselves into a corner. so we're going to work towards shorter releases. 1055413;1426605351;nubbins`;early/often is the way to go 1055414;1426605999;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-rage-of-cultural-elites.html << [guest article] mega-l0l on 'colour revolutions', 'orcs vs humans' dynamic, zombie hordes of victoria nulands, and other joys of modern geodiddlomatics and usgmancy 1055415;1426606001;assbot;ClubOrlov: The Rage of the Cultural Elites ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrL2Jb ) 1055416;1426606001;gribble;Error: "guest" is not a valid command. 1055417;1426606043;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-rage-of-cultural-elites.html << (guest article) mega-l0l on 'colour revolutions', 'orcs vs humans' dynamic, zombie hordes of victoria nulands, and other joys of modern geodiddlomatics and usgmancy 1055418;1426606043;assbot;ClubOrlov: The Rage of the Cultural Elites ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrLas1 ) 1055419;1426606043;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1055420;1426606142;asciilifeform;'The Victoria Nuland clone army, like a cruel, evil, insidious high school rumor, like the reflection of a witch’s face in a polluted river, spread and flew into every crevice and corner of this land, high and low, far and wide. We encounter her avatars and lookalikes everywhere—in Hollywood, in the publishing houses, universities, school boards, kindergartens, in elevators on the way to our offices, and of course, on the 1055421;1426606142;asciilifeform;pages of the Washington Post and the New York Times.' 1055422;1426606296;chetty;G4 magnetic storm for you guys in the northern Hemi, might want to unplug anything that doesnt have a surge protector 1055423;1426606369;asciilifeform;100% inverter-power here (the mains current in this town is, well, soviet-grade) 1055424;1426606485;chetty;somehow I knew asciilifeform would be fully ready :D 1055425;1426607733;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990074.msg10802175#msg10802175 1055426;1426607734;assbot;CanaryInTheMine is further abusing the trust system [Edit] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRCUz4 ) 1055427;1426607740;nubbins`;hay look mircea_popescu got paraphrased 1055428;1426607874;*;thestringpuller refreshes contravex 1055429;1426608231;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: lol working on it ;) 1055430;1426608257;pete_dushenski;cobbling through my plane ride notes 1055431;1426608351;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mircea_popescu how could i miss that nice argentinean girl's flattering translation ? 1055432;1426608351;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1055433;1426608852;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: back in canadia-land? 1055434;1426609577;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: indeed! 1055435;1426609584;pete_dushenski;and a little more tanned than usual 1055436;1426609588;pete_dushenski;i'm not much for the beach 1055437;1426609630;pete_dushenski;but the hotel had a couple of tennis courts and the head pro was a beauty so i played with him for a few hours here and there 1055438;1426609678;pete_dushenski;he trains the national junior squad, one of whom we even had as our ball boy ! 1055439;1426609698;pete_dushenski;i'd never had a ball boy before and it. was. sweet. 1055440;1426609787;pete_dushenski;desmond brown was the name of the pro 1055441;1426609792;thestringpuller;lol i have a few jamaican coworkers 1055442;1426609802;thestringpuller;i constantly troll them cause they write Visual C# 1055443;1426609803;pete_dushenski;i'd almost go back just to hang out with him 1055444;1426609813;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: lol those rastas! 1055445;1426609814;thestringpuller;were you there on spring breaka 1055446;1426609856;pete_dushenski;sorta kinda but really more just a(nother) trip 1055447;1426609862;pete_dushenski;i'm not in school 1055448;1426609884;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: retired traveller 1055449;1426609885;thestringpuller;lol 1055450;1426609919;pete_dushenski;only semi! 1055451;1426609942;pete_dushenski;there's quite the jamaican diaspora 1055452;1426609964;pete_dushenski;here it's nurses, some places i guess it's coders 1055453;1426609971;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: where do you live again ? 1055454;1426610001;pete_dushenski;all i remember is somewhere in usia 1055455;1426610028;pete_dushenski;the interesting part of the jamaican diaspora is that... they go back after a few decades! 1055456;1426610045;pete_dushenski;strangest diaspora i ever did hear of 1055457;1426610185;thestringpuller;i live in the lost city of Atlanta 1055458;1426610215;pete_dushenski;;;later tell peterl as if scoopbot's continued ignorance of contravex weren't enough... " Warning: file_get_contents(http://bablogs.btcscoop.com/blogroll.cgi) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 504 Gateway Time-out in /home/btcscoop/public_html/bablogs/index.php on line 8" on bablogs.btcscoop.com 1055459;1426610216;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1055460;1426610225;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: ah yes, ty 1055461;1426610246;thestringpuller;oh wow the scoop is down! 1055462;1426610262;pete_dushenski;mya 1055463;1426610401;thestringpuller;alright pete_dushenski I will talk to you soon. I'm off to brave the traffic for lunch. 1055464;1426610409;thestringpuller;i'll keep refreshing contravex ;) 1055465;1426610417;pete_dushenski;cheers mate! 1055466;1426612727;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z8j78/i_introduced_bitcoin_to_a_room_full_of_people_and/ 1055467;1426612729;assbot;I introduced Bitcoin to a room full of people and was applauded : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19wnLsM ) 1055468;1426612738;nubbins`;no need to click, all relevant info in page title. 1055469;1426612749;nubbins`;FWIW, 541 upvotes 1055470;1426612788;nubbins`;"You're doing a great service to this community. Thank you." 1055471;1426612921;pete_dushenski;"Bitcoin can power the Internet of Things (IoT). Vending machines could order their own new merchandise, replacement parts, etc. Self-driving cars could pay for faster lanes, toll roads, etc. to speed up your trip (borrowed that idea from a Winklevoss talk)." << goodness gracious 1055472;1426612992;pete_dushenski;"Everything is tiny in the grand scheme!" << hey, reddit commenter understands his own impotence. progress! 1055473;1426614041;davout;http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/someone-did-a-shit-so-bad-a-british-airways-flight-had-to-turn-around-and-land-475 1055474;1426614042;assbot;Someone On a British Airways Plane Took a Shit So Bad That It Had to Turn Around and Come Back Again | VICE | Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/19wrpD4 ) 1055475;1426614387;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: brave the traffic for lunch? 1055476;1426614397;ben_vulpes;cars are just such a bad idea. 1055477;1426616051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00032681 = 13.4482 BTC [+] 1055478;1426616724;Adlai;who are the golang fanboys here? artifexd etal, anyoya read CSP or some of the descendant literature? 1055479;1426616950;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/17/primitivity-and-advancement/ 1055480;1426616954;assbot;Primitivity and advancement. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gk7wJI ) 1055481;1426617136;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPIvqJsCOSo << wences 1055482;1426617138;assbot;Bitcoin: The New Gold Standard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lpl3pK ) 1055483;1426617158;Adlai;pete_dushenski: what's that mural 1055484;1426617195;pete_dushenski;it's in melbourne at the central train terminal 1055485;1426617228;pete_dushenski;flinders street railway station 1055486;1426617260;pete_dushenski;opened in 1854 though the mural is a newer addition 1055487;1426617492;*;Adlai likes it, too bad it's in foster's hellhole 1055488;1426617555;pete_dushenski;like foster the beer ? or... 1055489;1426617565;Adlai;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster%27s_rule 1055490;1426617567;assbot;Foster's rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpodK8 ) 1055491;1426617647;pete_dushenski;"he proposed the simple explanation that smaller creatures get larger when predation pressure is relaxed (due to the absence of some of the predators of the mainland) and larger creatures become smaller when food resources are limited (due to land area constraints)." 1055492;1426617662;Adlai;except in the case of australia, where everything gets larger 1055493;1426617668;Adlai;thus - hellhole. 1055494;1426617690;pete_dushenski;eh not sure i buy this "rule" 1055495;1426617737;Adlai;good thing it's not for sale! 1055496;1426617744;pete_dushenski;no doubt that oz has some large spiders and whatnot 1055497;1426617776;Adlai;fwiw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_gigantism#Examples 1055498;1426617778;assbot;Island gigantism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LppReN ) 1055499;1426617790;Adlai;this is a "rule" in the same sense that evolution is "more than just a theory" 1055500;1426617807;Adlai;simplest known explanation for the observed facts 1055501;1426617853;pete_dushenski;why grow larger when predation pressure is reduced though ? 1055502;1426617862;pete_dushenski;why not just multiply in greater numbers ? 1055503;1426617881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 100 @ 0.04000001 = 4 BTC [-] {5} 1055504;1426617882;pete_dushenski;dinosaurs were freaking enormous and had plenty of predation pressures 1055505;1426617921;pete_dushenski;it seems to me that diversity and complexity explain smaller animals 1055506;1426617961;pete_dushenski;that is, more diversity and complexity in an environment will lead to smaller, more nimble animals with shorter gestations 1055507;1426617964;Adlai;it's an adjustment of the available organisms to the available niches 1055508;1426617991;Adlai;you don't always get larger animals, foster's rule just talks about _change_ 1055509;1426618041;Adlai;although a medium predator which migrates to a new land where it's the largest predator will find little resistance in becoming a stronger, larger, etc predator (up to a point, but that point will be larger than its current size) 1055510;1426618078;pete_dushenski;you might see more diversity in the new environment but why larger and stronger ? 1055511;1426618086;pete_dushenski;it's already large and strong enough to be top dog 1055512;1426618113;pete_dushenski;it'd be expensive to support a larger organism and might crush the supporting food web 1055513;1426618124;Adlai;these fresh arrivals came from a place where they experienced downwards pressure from larger predators 1055514;1426618130;pete_dushenski;right 1055515;1426618142;pete_dushenski;and now they're in a new environment without said pressures 1055516;1426618152;Adlai;their size upon arrival is already the product of those expenses, but together with additional competition from larger animals, forcing them further down 1055517;1426618178;pete_dushenski;maybe down in numbers but why also down in size ? 1055518;1426618206;pete_dushenski;why aren't there then mini-zebras roaming the serengetti 1055519;1426618207;Adlai;smaller organisms are more efficient 1055520;1426618216;Adlai;... up to a point 1055521;1426618245;Adlai;(muscle power varies by the cross-sectional area, but the weight it must move varies by the volume) 1055522;1426618301;Adlai;in general though these are all nonlinear advantages, and their nonlinearity varies among ecosystems 1055523;1426618328;pete_dushenski;granted 1055524;1426618345;chetty;<<< still wonders how dinosaurs even walked ...wouldn't they need steel bones to hold up all that mass? 1055525;1426618352;Adlai;slowly. 1055526;1426618388;Adlai;the ones that ran - velocipator, orinthomimus - weren't larger than say a stallion 1055527;1426618427;mircea_popescu;^ 1055528;1426618430;mircea_popescu;and for good reason, too. 1055529;1426618435;mircea_popescu;mostly to do with cooling. 1055530;1426618463;pete_dushenski;ya, i don't suppose dinos sweated 1055531;1426618584;mircea_popescu;nope. reptiles generally work on the principle of the wound spring in more than one respect. 1055532;1426618619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ironically enough, i consider myself cultural elites. cause if not that, wtf else. 1055533;1426618648;mircea_popescu;i get it that everyone everywhere, say the derps on argentina, or the derps on the internet exactly alike and exactly for the same reasons identifies as this "workman" bullshit. 1055534;1426618667;mircea_popescu;but for one thing it's bullshit and for the other thing, it doesn't really wash. 1055535;1426618668;pete_dushenski;reptiles: springs, mammals: internal combustion 1055536;1426618687;mircea_popescu;workable analogy imo. 1055537;1426618719;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: what's your take on this "foster's rule" thing ? 1055538;1426618742;mircea_popescu;seems to fit the data. 1055539;1426618814;pete_dushenski;hm ok, i'll take 1055540;1426618842;pete_dushenski;"Compliance startup Chainalysis was forced to defend itself today after allegations its surveillance tactics had disrupted services and threatened the privacy of bitcoin users. 1055541;1426618842;pete_dushenski;The Swiss company, headed by ex-Kraken COO Michael Grønager and former Mycelium engineer Jan Møller, created over 250 'false' bitcoin nodes to harvest information on the whereabouts of transactions. The firm claims these nodes have now been shut down." 1055542;1426618865;mircea_popescu;heh. 1055543;1426618866;pete_dushenski;^cazalla BingoBoingo thestringpuller 1055544;1426618874;mircea_popescu;"we got better at hiding them nao" 1055545;1426618894;pete_dushenski;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978088.msg10771025#msg10771025 1055546;1426618894;assbot;Is someone monitoring large parts of the network? (evidence+firwall rules) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpyBl9 ) 1055547;1426618896;mircea_popescu;really there was absolutely no reason (apart from their tim swansonesque contemptuous idiocy) to make the nodes visible. 1055548;1426618927;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : "It so happened that my aunt, then a sensitive and somewhat dreamy young woman, had stubbornly and haplessly clung to certain musical tastes which at that time in China came to be regarded as politically incorrect, being said, in the trendy ideological jargon of that time, to reflect “decadent bourgeois revisionist aesthetics.” To wit, my aunt had kept in her record collection a rendition of “The 1055549;1426618928;mircea_popescu;Urals Mountain-Ash†(УральÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð Ñбинушка), a Russian folk song in which a young girl meets two nice boys under a mountain-ash tree and must choose between them" 1055550;1426618947;mircea_popescu;i agree with the chinese. the part where the young girl chooses is utterly burgeois, and the part where a choice is made is definitely reactionary. 1055551;1426619086;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: have nodes always been "visible" ? 1055552;1426619111;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski not the point. the point is that if you make a spy node, you have no conceivable reason to make it act outwardly in any way other than a common node. 1055553;1426619138;mircea_popescu;these were fucking broken, mostly because the "Swiss company" is a bunch of poor ass niggards with delusions of grandeur. 1055554;1426619169;mircea_popescu;"in 1972, which culminated in Nixon's historic handshake with Mao Zedong, completing China's civilizational pivot away from the USSR and toward the west. In hindsight, this dramatic opening could only be properly characterized as a swift dagger-in-the-back against the USSR" 1055555;1426619211;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, these ignorant clods. asciilifeform srsly, cluborlov is this collection of almanach-educated twerps. 1055556;1426619216;nubbins`;niggards! 1055557;1426619221;nubbins`;that's more germanic of you than usual 1055558;1426619233;mircea_popescu;;;google niggardly 1055559;1426619234;gribble;Controversies about the word "niggardly" - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Urban Dictionary: niggardly: ; Niggardly - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...: 1055560;1426619255;mircea_popescu;i guess swedish counts as german. 1055561;1426619255;pete_dushenski;such controversy 1055562;1426619272;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski no but it is typical of what i'm talking about. 1055563;1426619282;mircea_popescu;some people who don't own a dictionary got opinions about the usage of words. 1055564;1426619292;mircea_popescu;some people who don't own a history book gather on a blogspot to emit nonsense. 1055565;1426619295;mircea_popescu;same principle. 1055566;1426619330;pete_dushenski;likewise, some people who don't own a bitcoin gather around a reddit to imagine they matter 1055567;1426619338;mircea_popescu;and on and on and fucking on it goes! 1055568;1426619375;nubbins`;again: 1055569;1426619375;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z8j78/i_introduced_bitcoin_to_a_room_full_of_people_and/ 1055570;1426619377;assbot;I introduced Bitcoin to a room full of people and was applauded : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpCdnn ) 1055571;1426619377;mircea_popescu;virgins experts in dating, dependent adolescents experts in "making money", otakus writing books on how to meet and influence people, etc etc etc. 1055572;1426619377;pete_dushenski;only the cultists see the light eh 1055573;1426619407;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: once was enough 1055574;1426619409;nubbins`;nevermind that this is not evidence of the awesomeness of bitcoin, but of the fact that the audience was at least feigning politeness 1055575;1426619410;Adlai;mircea_popescu: what's your take on this "what's your take" thing? 1055576;1426619414;mircea_popescu;nubbins` clearly if he was applauded by a whole roomfull of people he's not a total failure. 1055577;1426619418;nubbins`;right? 1055578;1426619422;nubbins`;ultimate validation 1055579;1426619423;mircea_popescu;Adlai i dunno. 1055580;1426619425;nubbins`;he probably took a bow 1055581;1426619475;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i once took a girl out to the very nice theatre in my home town, 1800s baroque building, and we sat in the presidential seats and at some point i started applauding 1055582;1426619480;mircea_popescu;and the whole fucking hall started applauding 1055583;1426619490;mircea_popescu;she was... a little unraveled. 1055584;1426619494;mircea_popescu;(tru story, too) 1055585;1426619511;mircea_popescu;but it was a coincidence. 1055586;1426619553;nubbins`;not bad 1055587;1426619556;Adlai;dev behind popular open-source-closed-dev spv wallet is also behind a sybil attack to correlate transactions with jurisdictions... so that's why local trader is so cheap! 1055588;1426619561;nubbins`;i started a slow-clap once that spread to about 7k people 1055589;1426619586;mircea_popescu;Adlai heh. 1055590;1426619594;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's infectious, right ? 1055591;1426619599;nubbins`;nod 1055592;1426619610;nubbins`;esp. if you look around and nod while you're doing it 1055593;1426619613;Adlai;was the theater clap not at a typical claptime? 1055594;1426619619;mircea_popescu;these weren't even 1k, and romanians are very herdy animals, and were more so back then. 1055595;1426619626;mircea_popescu;Adlai was not. 1055596;1426619672;mircea_popescu;so i'm having cognac and chocolate cookies for breakfast at 3pm. this can't be bad for me, can it ? 1055597;1426619682;Adlai;doesn't have to be 'coincidence' though, could just be that you reacted fastest out of all the clappy folk, giving the illusion of causality/coincidence 1055598;1426619708;Adlai;long as the choclate's dark 1055599;1426619718;mircea_popescu;Adlai the bit was to my taste, which is why i clapped. my tastes are rather... odd, but i guess it's possibru. 1055600;1426619723;mircea_popescu;it is, yes. 1055601;1426620135;mircea_popescu;brendafdez: the same happens to me with portuguese, which i walways perceive as broken spanish << to me it sounds like a bunch of russians trying to pretend they're speaking latin. 1055602;1426620297;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055359 << lol @ the problems this dude has. 1055603;1426620297;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 14:03:07; chetty: I'm more if it isn't broke, why fix it kind of guy.// more of these needed in the world 1055604;1426620354;mircea_popescu;"Citizens ask for permission, expats ask for forgiveness" << maybe he should ask for a nailgun. 1055605;1426620402;Adlai;I Asked For A Railgun But All I Got Was This Northop-Grumman T-Shirt 1055606;1426620447;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055381 << check it out, we fixed an apple fanboi! 1055607;1426620447;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 14:46:42; nubbins`: i got bogged down last night trying to cross-compile arch linux for the pogo. osx is no fun 1055608;1426620460;nubbins`;hey now 1055609;1426620471;mircea_popescu;next we're gonna be fixing fags and jews. 1055610;1426620471;nubbins`;watch who you're calling a fanboi! 1055611;1426620488;mircea_popescu;#bitcoin-aryan 1055612;1426620546;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055382 << having never looked at those, what % would you say are deliberate / marketing dept induced, and what % are inept / engineering dept induced ? 1055613;1426620546;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 14:47:01; nubbins`: well. resolving clang/gcc incompatibilities is no fun 1055614;1426620594;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055388 << and your excuse would be that it's perl anyway, right ? :D 1055615;1426620594;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 14:50:43; mod6: i have this idea in my mind that people know what stuff is i guess. 1055616;1426620892;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1055617;1426620895;Adlai;aryan humor: cd /usr && ln -s usr ich 1055618;1426620905;mircea_popescu;;p; 1055619;1426620913;Adlai;er shit, s/usr// 1055620;1426620953;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: hall started applauding << did it come with a built-in 'stop clap bell' ? 1055621;1426620963;ascii_field;(iirc stalin's courtiers invented these) 1055622;1426620991;mircea_popescu;lol nope. i am aware i sound more and more hruschev-ian, but no, i didn't have a bunch of muscle with clubs interspersed in the general public. 1055623;1426621044;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ...or the derps on the internet exactly alike and exactly for the same reasons identifies as this "workman" bullshit << wai wat. confused 1055624;1426621082;ascii_field;if you make a spy node, you have no conceivable reason to make it act outwardly in any way other than a common node << that this was a secret to anyone, is profoundly mindfucking 1055625;1426621104;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what is "Are ‘we’—the Americans I have lived and studied and worked with for years" and "who once made a living hell out of our fresh, green and naïve college days" iuf not direct translation of "we the workers" ? 1055626;1426621112;Adlai;the whole security model of bitcoin is that every node is a spy node 1055627;1426621117;ascii_field;that it was detectable suggests an intimidation play - 'we're watching' - rather than actual intent to grab useful info 1055628;1426621143;Adlai;!s malice incompetence 1055629;1426621144;assbot;19 results for 'malice incompetence' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=malice+incompetence 1055630;1426621148;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it is not a secret to anyone except the completely imbecile "experts" the usg has historically and continues to "use" in it's quest to build itself as a bitcoin power independent from mpex. 1055631;1426621157;mircea_popescu;so far this is progressing admirably. 1055632;1426621163;mircea_popescu;Adlai you don't say. 1055633;1426621194;mircea_popescu;ascii_field no dude, it's a simple, 5 yo would want to pretend she's a sophisticated college student like her old sister, so she does the best she can. 1055634;1426621215;mircea_popescu;in this case, she's reading das kaptial held upside down. 1055635;1426621262;ascii_field;latipak sad. 1055636;1426621309;mircea_popescu;that's the la hockey team right ? 1055637;1426621331;ascii_field;these schmucks could have hired a kid who handles, e.g., botnets, for a fraction of the cost 1055638;1426621347;ascii_field;or a starving maths grad student, same 1055639;1426621416;ascii_field;and, imho, bitcoin doesn't 'really work' unless it can laugh off everybody on the planet doing the sibyl crap all day, every day 1055640;1426621439;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you miss the point where they do not wish to do that, for exactly the reasons i will not hire tim swanson. 1055641;1426621452;mircea_popescu;and there are no uppity white kids in stanford running botnets 1055642;1426621456;mircea_popescu;so they're stuck. 1055643;1426621462;ascii_field;well yes, 'aryans only' 1055644;1426621467;mircea_popescu;well so then. 1055645;1426621480;mircea_popescu;if they don't let THEIR boys rape and i do, when it comes to war my boys will rape their boys and that's that. 1055646;1426621481;ascii_field;but they could conceivably build a sharashka 1055647;1426621489;ascii_field;for 'untermenschen' to toil, uncredited, in 1055648;1426621497;mircea_popescu;but i appreciate the opportunity to check this out experimentally - gangrape is fun for a majority of those involved. 1055649;1426621505;mircea_popescu;they could, if they had a stalin. 1055650;1426621508;mircea_popescu;they don't have a stalin. 1055651;1426621590;mircea_popescu;in fact, they don't even have the vague approximation of a stalin where a guy says to his golddigger harpy "if you fuck another black man i'm going tyo hung you both by your toes, and if you struggle i won't let you go", and then does it when she fucks another black guy. 1055652;1426621607;mircea_popescu;they don't have as much of a stalin as a uni professor that goes " all women, stand up and strip naked or go the fuck home". 1055653;1426621608;mircea_popescu;etc. 1055654;1426621616;mircea_popescu;this is a very small amount of stalin to not have. 1055655;1426621695;ascii_field;how am i to know that, e.g., dick cheney, isn't hunting little gurlz for sport in arizona desert as we speak ? 1055656;1426621707;ascii_field;or hanging his mistress by the toe 1055657;1426621709;mircea_popescu;orly. 1055658;1426621727;mircea_popescu;are you just pursuing this for the sake of the theoretical purity or do you actually hold this view ? 1055659;1426621751;ascii_field;just confessing that it isn't clear to me that such a thing is impossible or even improbable 1055660;1426621765;ascii_field;but i've no intel. team, yes. 1055661;1426621778;BingoBoingo; are you just pursuing this for the sake of the theoretical purity or do you actually hold this view ? << Well Cheney did have a good humor about shooting his patron in the face 1055662;1426621839;mircea_popescu;(the first cvasi-stalin is, of course, Donald Sterling. the second is, of course, that guy with the "women in scinece" what's his name. i'm noteven going into the story of petreus) 1055663;1426621918;*;ascii_field distinctly recalls mircea_popescu's 'he is not lizardhitler who does his hitlering in private only' 1055664;1426621925;mircea_popescu;right ? 1055665;1426621953;ascii_field;but as i gather, the usg-elite consciously walks this line - unlimited debauchery in private, idiot paper-pushing in public 1055666;1426621980;mircea_popescu;bs. 1055667;1426621987;mircea_popescu;what, exactly, is this debauchery ? 1055668;1426622003;mircea_popescu;like, you ever drove by the walled compound where some general is keeping his harem ? 1055669;1426622011;mircea_popescu;no, brunei and saudi arabia elite walks this line. 1055670;1426622018;mircea_popescu;the us is a bunch of impoverished derps with airs. 1055671;1426622034;mircea_popescu;"oh, the luxury of paying 48658609485609850 for a condo." 1055672;1426622037;mircea_popescu;"yeah, well done." 1055673;1426622042;*;ascii_field underscores that he does not know anything re: how ted turner of w. buffett pass their time, or did when young men - but has quasi-educated guess that may or may not be worth the neurons it's printed on 1055674;1426622057;mircea_popescu;you know plenty of how wb passed / passes his time, he's quite public about it. 1055675;1426622069;mircea_popescu;indescript house in omaha, married, with children. about as boring as it gets. 1055676;1426622091;mircea_popescu;nttawwi, on the grounds of one man, he can do w/e the fuck he pleases. 1055677;1426622107;mircea_popescu;but, again, how many walled compounds are in wash dc holding the harems of obama, the shah of this and the bey of that ? 1055678;1426622108;ascii_field;but what kind of lizard aristocrat is that. pssh. 1055679;1426622110;mircea_popescu;visit brunei sometime, for srsly. 1055680;1426622132;mircea_popescu;preferably take a girl with you, can prolly get a decent price. 1055681;1426622141;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: actually there are tremendously posh residences, complete with tall walls, here - ones which would not look entirely out of place in brunei 1055682;1426622152;mircea_popescu;you're eliding my main point. 1055683;1426622171;mircea_popescu;else what, the world government is in gizeh, egypt ? poshest uninhabited structures on earth ? 1055684;1426622234;ascii_field;so mircea_popescu tells us that total brezhnevification in usa ? the aristos sit & nervously smoke all day, and nurse their arthritis ? 1055685;1426622247;mircea_popescu;it is my understanding. 1055686;1426622261;BingoBoingo;Doesn't seem wrong 1055687;1426622266;mircea_popescu;the people who try to have a good time are generally 2nd or 3rd echelon, 1055688;1426622282;mircea_popescu;and in fact it goes as far as to work for a sign. does he look like he's having a good time ? he has no power. 1055689;1426622305;mircea_popescu;which is a large part of what's so confounding about yours truly, in those quarters. 1055690;1426622320;mircea_popescu;schroedinger mp. 1055691;1426622355;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055427 << hey, great piece. congrats to the winners. 1055692;1426622355;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 15:55:40; nubbins`: hay look mircea_popescu got paraphrased 1055693;1426622381;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: recall limonov's piece re: herr gadaffi ? 1055694;1426622386;ascii_field;it was about entirely this 1055695;1426622398;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 1055696;1426622432;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055382 << having never looked at those, what % would you say are deliberate / marketing dept induced, and what % are inept / engineering dept induced ? <<< on the surface, it's just shirt buttons on the left side vs the right. 1055697;1426622432;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 14:47:01; nubbins`: well. resolving clang/gcc incompatibilities is no fun 1055698;1426622453;mircea_popescu;aha 1055699;1426622457;nubbins`;i.e. places where there's wiggle room in the spec, one zigs where the other zags 1055700;1426622463;ascii_field;!s llvm 1055701;1426622464;assbot;34 results for 'llvm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=llvm 1055702;1426622474;ascii_field;^ some good material in log re: how and why it came to exist at all 1055703;1426622485;mircea_popescu;i dunno if i'm the only one who saw brasil - but whenever i see that sorta thing i remember the workmen that cut the holes for the police to bust into homes. 1055704;1426622492;ascii_field;yes! 1055705;1426622494;nubbins`;as usual, alf has a better understanding than i 1055706;1426622506;ascii_field;one of the greatest films about essence of usg 1055707;1426622530;mircea_popescu;it's pretty good. maybe i'm distributring name tags at conference all reading Mr. Tuttle 1055708;1426622530;nubbins`;w/ deniro? 1055709;1426622542;ascii_field;Buttle 1055710;1426622567;ascii_field;mega-film. 1055711;1426622572;mircea_popescu;yup 1055712;1426622573;*;ascii_field heartily recommends 'brazil' to everyone 1055713;1426622612;mircea_popescu;certainly put gilliam on the map for me. and then imaginarium... 1055714;1426622620;ascii_field;another mega-film! 1055715;1426622625;mircea_popescu;you seen imaginarium nubbins` ? 1055716;1426622634;mircea_popescu;that and barbarella is what i imagine you grew up on. 1055717;1426622690;BingoBoingo;Everyone knows mircea_popescu grew up on Dallas 1055718;1426622712;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1055719;1426622789;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol actually, lemme give you the shortlist : http://trilema.com/grabeste-te-incet http://trilema.com/signore-e-signori-buonanotte http://trilema.com/nesustinabila-negreutate-a-nemortii http://trilema.com/laile-ou-la-cuisse http://trilema.com/2012/la-terra-trema/ 1055720;1426622789;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCe5F ) 1055721;1426622790;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCe5K ) 1055722;1426622791;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCe5M ) 1055723;1426622791;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCe5O ) 1055724;1426622792;assbot;La Terra Trema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCbHh ) 1055725;1426622798;mircea_popescu;the english stuff i saw much later. 1055726;1426623022;jurov;ben_vulpes rly? you want patches for makeshift build scripts? 1055727;1426623058;jurov;re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054768 1055728;1426623058;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 05:07:10; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000034.html << why not a patch file for this? just to make me diff it myself? 1055729;1426623096;jurov;mod6 you see, we have a release indeed. ppl demand patchezzz!!! 1055730;1426623137;mircea_popescu;haga 1055731;1426623145;BingoBoingo;Release party! 1055732;1426623173;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055438 << it's BELL boy. as aptly explained for tim roth's benefit in 4 rooms, "they ring the bell, ya hop!" 1055733;1426623173;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 16:27:58; pete_dushenski: he trains the national junior squad, one of whom we even had as our ball boy ! 1055734;1426623297;mircea_popescu;wait, nm. tennis, ma bad. 1055735;1426623436;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055504 << not really, no. they had a little less preditors than hippos would if there were no humans. 1055736;1426623436;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 18:44:42; pete_dushenski: dinosaurs were freaking enormous and had plenty of predation pressures 1055737;1426623512;pete_dushenski;yes, with the little yellow fuzzy ball! 1055738;1426623521;pete_dushenski;and i'll stop derping about dinos now 1055739;1426623544;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055519 << by and large, this depends on how you measure efficiency. rabbits are larger than chickens, but more efficient, under the "food to usable foodstuff" conversion paradigm. turkeys are larger than chickens and less efficient. etc. 1055740;1426623544;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 18:50:07; Adlai: smaller organisms are more efficient 1055741;1426623598;mircea_popescu;generally birds are inefficient because of the 42 degrees problem. but also, polar bears eat a lot more than lions, per body kg. 1055742;1426623666;ben_vulpes;42 degrees problem? 1055743;1426623714;*;Adlai was referring specifically to growth ratios: quadratic muscle strength vs cubic mass 1055744;1426623790;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: just found out today co-manager is romanian 1055745;1426623798;thestringpuller;you guise be reppin' hard 1055746;1426623839;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes birds maintain 42 degrees body temperatures, vs your 36.5 1055747;1426623866;mircea_popescu;that's expensive at rest (it's also the only reason they can fly, larger buffer to absorb the heat they can't dissipate) 1055748;1426623899;mircea_popescu;(this is why birds hang out in trees while reptiles hang out on rocks - birds need the shade, lizards need the heat) 1055749;1426623915;Adlai;camels have a range of liveable body temperatures, like a reptile but not. verging upon the... reptilian. 1055750;1426623924;mircea_popescu;tru 1055751;1426623927;pete_dushenski;42 degrees would, i suppose, explain why there aren't any pterodactyl-sized birds 1055752;1426623960;mircea_popescu;Adlai you ever slept in the desert, camels lined up to break the cold wind ? 1055753;1426623962;Adlai;( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel#Ecological_and_behavioral_adaptations ) 1055754;1426623964;assbot;Camel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNHPA9 ) 1055755;1426623984;Adlai;fuxake, we have tents yknow 1055756;1426623989;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski look into large eagles. 1055757;1426624007;Adlai;and armored vehicles 1055758;1426624015;mircea_popescu;Adlai ha! i'm one ahead :D 1055759;1426624024;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> you seen imaginarium nubbins` ? <<< of dr parnassus or w/e? 1055760;1426624024;mircea_popescu;actually chetty was on that trip! 1055761;1426624028;mircea_popescu;yup 1055762;1426624047;nubbins`;nod. some years back, through a haze of mixed intoxicants: "is that tom waits?" 1055763;1426624052;*;Adlai has slept in the desert without anything breaking the wind... 1055764;1426624073;*;Adlai has also ridden camels, but years ago on a school thingy 1055765;1426624100;Adlai;roughly a decade by now, around 5 BC 1055766;1426624109;Adlai;s/C/G/ 1055767;1426624110;nubbins`;actually iirc there's a zine somewhere in this house that mentions a woman w the last name popescu 1055768;1426624115;Adlai;"before genesis" 1055769;1426624129;nubbins`;iifrc, the title of the piece was "a list of people whose houses i am no longer allowed in" 1055770;1426624153;mircea_popescu;lol ? 1055771;1426624191;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#comment-113144 heh. 1055772;1426624191;assbot;Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNInWG ) 1055773;1426624220;mircea_popescu;that's a mildly interesting problem : calculate the probability of naturally occuring exact geometric shapes of a given metal and mass. 1055774;1426624225;Adlai;mircea_popescu: wait so where do the emphases go in your name? MEER-sha po-PES-ku ? 1055775;1426624243;mircea_popescu;yea 1055776;1426624251;mircea_popescu;first-and-penultimate convention 1055777;1426624356;thestringpuller;I'm going to prounounce is MER-KUH 1055778;1426624358;thestringpuller;lol 1055779;1426624359;thestringpuller;jk 1055780;1426624382;Adlai;first-and-penultimate is itself first-and-pe-null-tim-et 1055781;1426624446;mircea_popescu;:) 1055782;1426624478;mircea_popescu;you know you should prolly look into ipa rather than that atrocity w/e it is. 1055783;1426624493;chetty;http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/01/25/scandnavian-men-leaving-feminists-to-themselves/ 1055784;1426624495;assbot;Scandinavian Men Leaving Feminists to Themselves - The Spearhead ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNJ5U0 ) 1055785;1426624718;Adlai;ipa? atrocity? 1055786;1426625405;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/openssl-severe-vulnerability-to-be-revealed-march-19th/ 1055787;1426625701;mircea_popescu;i dunno what "meer-sha" is supposed to sound like. 1055788;1426625720;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/coinapult-reports-hot-wallet-compromise/ 1055789;1426625727;mircea_popescu;i know what mirˈt͡ʃe̯a is supposed to sound like 1055790;1426626008;*;Adlai is biologist today, not philologist 1055791;1426626834;funkenstein_;all this talk of companies losing peoples money makes me think i should give up and just trust some company with all my money 1055792;1426627133;funkenstein_;either that or time to open up a wallet service 1055793;1426627359;Adlai;this is why you should only trust people with your money, never companies 1055794;1426627360;BingoBoingo;I forget what group was behing the silver cold storage buttplug? 1055795;1426627778;Adlai;http://w.b-a.link/user/slush 1055796;1426627779;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18DVYpo ) 1055797;1426627824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60540 @ 0.00031891 = 19.3068 BTC [-] {3} 1055798;1426627946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00032485 = 6.8543 BTC [+] 1055799;1426628487;cazalla;pete_dushenski: it's in melbourne at the central train terminal <<< they've slowly chipped away at that place, replacing the old with the new, personally i don't see it as anything special, stench of stale piss surrounds it 1055800;1426628525;Adlai;sounds like my slum 1055801;1426630893;mircea_popescu;http://blog.cakebet.com/clarity-shines-fud/ << who's this incidentally ? 1055802;1426630896;assbot;Clarity Shines Through The FUD - CBB: CakeBet Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1xcxAH1 ) 1055803;1426631205;danielpbarron;that's the nakamoto institute guy 1055804;1426631231;mircea_popescu;with some dubious casino ? 1055805;1426631261;danielpbarron;i wasn't aware of his involvement with that; i just see his name attributed at the end of the article 1055806;1426631281;danielpbarron;!gettrust danielkrawisz 1055807;1426631282;assbot;Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user danielkrawisz: Level 1: -2, Level 2: 1 via 5 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/danielkrawisz | http://w.b-a.link/user/danielkrawisz 1055808;1426631313;mircea_popescu;"Francis Fondant" 1055809;1426631367;PeterL;;;later tell pete_dushenski I dunno what you're talking about, looks like its working fine for me? 1055810;1426631368;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1055811;1426631511;mircea_popescu;"Your LinkedIn account says you’re in Sweden, so perhaps English is not your native language. That’s cool. Spanish was my first language, so I feel you. However, your generalization about women is a reprehensible bromide." 1055812;1426631520;mircea_popescu;i just picked myself off the floor 1055813;1426631893;mircea_popescu;in other news, tithat. http://40.media.tumblr.com/a8d148fd90a47d247323ab5c2cb81c7b/tumblr_mh2pkwkHTk1r7r92mo1_500.jpg 1055814;1426631894;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHYl9D ) 1055815;1426632638;mircea_popescu;http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/96861298768/on-reliable-guides-and-bayesianism << the trouble with the world is that the well informed are weak and the ignorant headstrong. 1055816;1426632639;assbot;Wading In — On Reliable Guides and Bayesianism ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHZbTL ) 1055817;1426632660;mircea_popescu;that article should have been dripping invective. but of course, such is not possible. so random internet imbecile reads it and moves on, unbothered. HE IS LESS WRONG 1055818;1426632662;mircea_popescu;and utterly stupid. 1055819;1426632674;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: You might enjoy http://bulabula.org/papers/2015/asiabsdcon/ just keep in mind this is one of the devs, don't go all twitter fatwah 1055820;1426632676;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHZcHy ) 1055821;1426632780;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1055822;1426633012;BingoBoingo;It sucks that the thing is a slide deck, but at least it is a series of images and not a ppt or pdf turd 1055823;1426633341;danielpbarron;lol 1055824;1426633594;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: How's the imac doing? 1055825;1426633709;danielpbarron;very well 1055826;1426633719;danielpbarron;done with g4, now working on a g3 1055827;1426633755;BingoBoingo;Cool 1055828;1426633762;danielpbarron;the hard drives are failing but it's good enough 1055829;1426633793;danielpbarron;i may buy a bunch of ssd drives 1055830;1426633798;BingoBoingo;Replacing those shouldn't be hard 1055831;1426633802;danielpbarron;i think i could resell these things 1055832;1426633883;danielpbarron;openbsd is such a pleasure to work with 1055833;1426633890;danielpbarron;it does exactly what i expect it to do 1055834;1426633918;BingoBoingo;AH, replacing the hard drives requires thermal paste 1055835;1426633942;danielpbarron;yeah replacing parts in mac stuff is not easy but it's not impossible 1055836;1426633959;danielpbarron;i don't know about thermal paste, but it's not like i can just pop off a panel and swap the drive 1055837;1426634044;BingoBoingo;https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iMac+G4+17-Inch+Model+M9168LLA+Hard+Drive+Replacement/4176 << Part of what you remove to get to the HD connects to the CPU's waste heat removal path 1055838;1426634046;assbot;iMac G4 17" Model M9168LLA Hard Drive Replacement - iFixit ... ( http://bit.ly/1MI1eY4 ) 1055839;1426634101;BingoBoingo;I'm pretty sure I still have my torx screwdriver for the real B&W Macs somewhere around here 1055840;1426634553;[]bot;Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 97.8035122 BTC. Current weight: 50,790. 1055841;1426634555;[]bot;Bet placed: 6 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 67.33320426 BTC. Current weight: 90,515. 1055842;1426635432;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/577976775449300992 1055843;1426635433;assbot;/hashtag/OpenBSD?src=hash 5.6 on an Apple iMac G4. http://t.co/vx5qS4N7WV 1055844;1426635789;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Curious yet to see if the G4 can catch up to the Pogos? 1055845;1426636917;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins` 1055846;1426636931;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: How's your EM storm? 1055847;1426636939;nubbins`;uneventful 1055848;1426636983;BingoBoingo;Sun down yet? Checking for Auroraussifdhauh;wjd;if 1055849;1426637218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104128 @ 0.00032631 = 33.978 BTC [+] {2} 1055850;1426637270;thestringpuller;nubbins`: did you get Eulora to run? 1055851;1426637331;mircea_popescu;http://news.yahoo.com/dursts-letter-helped-prosecutors-bring-murder-charge-071512902.html << so is this "the dekulakization is proceeding apace" or is it "insane criminal accidentally confesses" ? 1055852;1426637334;assbot;Police searching Houston home of millionaire Robert Durst - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AVVwcP ) 1055853;1426637354;nubbins`;too cloudy for 'em here! 1055854;1426637357;nubbins`;thestringpuller nah 1055855;1426637481;BingoBoingo; ... << so is this "the dekulakization is proceeding apace" or is it "insane criminal accidentally confesses" ? << One of the Vic's is a "Mob Bosses" daughter so it is time to bring out all the grains of salt. 1055856;1426637784;mircea_popescu;i dunno what value a 3 year old audio testimony produced by a media company with ample access to recordings of the person's voice could be worth in court. 1055857;1426637799;mircea_popescu;if it is worth anything, it is worth anything only through the sheer ignorance / ample cupidity of the jury. 1055858;1426637811;thestringpuller;isn't that the point of a jury? 1055859;1426637827;mircea_popescu;otherwise, i could probably make an audiotrack of obama confessing his erotic dreams of stalin. 1055860;1426637852;nubbins`;thestringpuller actually yes. i did get eulora to run 1055861;1426637858;nubbins`;didn't get it to accept kbd/mouse input 1055862;1426637864;thestringpuller;what platform? 1055863;1426637864;nubbins`;this was a while ago 1055864;1426637866;nubbins`;osx 1055865;1426637870;nubbins`;natch 1055866;1426637899;thestringpuller;ah. damn. i'm trying on ubuntu using chetty 's setup. almost got it. just cal3d is invisible for some reason 1055867;1426637910;thestringpuller;soon. progress. stuff. 1055868;1426637933;mircea_popescu;nubbins` if memory serves the stuff was upgraded once since hten 1055869;1426637936;nubbins`;check against the linux as well as osx install guide on the wiki, might be of some help 1055870;1426637939;nubbins`;mp o! 1055871;1426638042;nubbins`;then maybe i'll have another go 1055872;1426638128;nubbins`;is 0.0.4 latest? that's the one i was messing w/ 1055873;1426638173;mircea_popescu;it's latest but old. a new one is in the pipe so give it a few. 1055874;1426638264;danielpbarron;i got eulora to work on gentoo 1055875;1426638273;mircea_popescu;o hey! 1055876;1426638279;danielpbarron;i collected items and talked to npcs 1055877;1426638293;danielpbarron;this was weeks ago 1055878;1426638335;mircea_popescu;seems gentoo is going to be a major platform for eulora beta / many things we do. 1055879;1426638388;ben_vulpes;wai no 1055880;1426638391;danielpbarron;at this point i consider gentoo to be the only linux (worth using) 1055881;1426638391;mircea_popescu;should be remembered as "the costs of systemd". 1055882;1426638408;danielpbarron;and openbsd the only bsd 1055883;1426638436;ben_vulpes;gentoo doesn't have systemd? 1055884;1426638451;danielpbarron;it's optional and not default 1055885;1426638459;mircea_popescu;more easily fixed than the rest of 'em. 1055886;1426638475;mircea_popescu;nobody has so far taken a strong "fuck you, and red hat, and the usg" stance. it is likely they never will, 1055887;1426638493;mircea_popescu;preferring instead to write plaintive missives of no value ten years later, like the netbsd derp. 1055888;1426638515;mircea_popescu;"here's how stupid i was and here's what you could learn from it : don't EVER go with the libertard ideology, ever." 1055889;1426638533;mircea_popescu;except not really saying that, because hey, still same dumb, ten years older. 1055890;1426638810;ben_vulpes;and i assume that crystalspace won't build on openbsd? 1055891;1426638832;ben_vulpes;i mean if one's to go off the deep end, why not...go off the deep end? 1055892;1426638878;mircea_popescu;i don't see why not ? c is c. 1055893;1426638896;mircea_popescu;anyway, jurov found a guy willing to do the windows stuff, so there's going to be that, too. 1055894;1426638901;mircea_popescu;im curious how it'll work out. 1055895;1426638917;ben_vulpes;i don't see why not either 1055896;1426638920;ben_vulpes;except that it's not happening. 1055897;1426638937;ben_vulpes;i'd rather assume asshats have good reason for doing what they're doing and that seems the most obvious reason. 1055898;1426638944;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0c02c9667532ac3adc5e91e231a12a95/tumblr_mm6fa8ZxQe1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg 1055899;1426638946;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AW1kD0 ) 1055900;1426638975;mircea_popescu;im open for someone to maintain an openbsd binary. 1055901;1426638995;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/open-binary-maintenance-for-eulora/ < relevant 1055902;1426638995;assbot;[OPEN] Binary maintenance for Eulora pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AW1uKN ) 1055903;1426639007;ben_vulpes;lol well i can't imagine you'd be against it 1055904;1426639023;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: maybe also have update script for dependencies? 1055905;1426639043;thestringpuller;at least windows games install directX before they attempt to install themselves :P 1055906;1426639081;BingoBoingo; and openbsd the only bsd << If you tuck it safely behind a wall, FreeBSD kicks ass on storage. 1055907;1426639093;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it'll be the maintainer's lot. 1055908;1426639818;mircea_popescu;http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man << worth a chuckle. 1055909;1426639819;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DznX77 ) 1055910;1426639998;mircea_popescu;"Far be it for me to question the veracity of claims made by screenshots of anonymous comments from 4chan, but did anyone bother to stop and ask why a man would be dancing in a room full of people wearing coats?" 1055911;1426640293;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch 1055912;1426640314;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/largest-bitcoin-bet-resolved/ 1055913;1426640365;mod6;lol, moby offered "services" 1055914;1426640384;mod6;maddox++ 1055915;1426640447;mircea_popescu;maddox is like nubbins` on steroids. 1055916;1426640449;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nice! 1055917;1426640463;BingoBoingo;You're welcome mircea_popescu 1055918;1426640620;mircea_popescu;in other news, assisted mating : http://41.media.tumblr.com/2a0f9ef7d972e3448902da6081a00b08/tumblr_mzp6phkXAY1scedu9o1_1280.jpg 1055919;1426640622;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzqDlo ) 1055920;1426640844;BingoBoingo; and i assume that crystalspace won't build on openbsd? << Don't see how it could be much worse than bitcoin-qt, which is why I am severely undrqualified for this 1055921;1426641061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114850 @ 0.00032713 = 37.5709 BTC [+] {2} 1055922;1426641313;BingoBoingo;"Because if we've learned nothing from Martin Luther King Jr., and we haven't, true diversity comes not from the content of our character, but the color of our skin. And which genitals we have." 1055923;1426641357;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers, 1055924;1426641363;asciilifeform;from macrofab: 'We received your boards today, we expect to have review complete and the boards working as expected tomorrow, I will keep you posted!' 1055925;1426641380;*;asciilifeform skeptical 1055926;1426641514;BingoBoingo;I'm just thrilled that it appears counterfieting and mislabling just might be so rampant that nothing digital would work if it had to meet analogue standards 1055927;1426641542;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: vendor insists they tested 50 random Rs from spool 1055928;1426641560;asciilifeform;and found none that match my description of the four that ended up on the boards. 1055929;1426641573;asciilifeform;'my lying eyes' 1055930;1426641620;asciilifeform;incidentally, had i done anything other than what i did - ordering sample rng first - would likely have noticed nothing. 1055931;1426641674;BingoBoingo;Vegans still eat grain even though their eyes don't see the blood of the mice rats, cats, and coons slaughtered by the combine on each grain. 1055932;1426641722;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: somebody ought to sell these schmucks a simple protein assayer 1055933;1426641734;asciilifeform;undergrad-level problem. 1055934;1426641745;asciilifeform;and make'em squirm 1055935;1426641770;BingoBoingo;A charitable to the vendor interpretation here is that USPS didn't know you had door camera and you didn't know USPS's official address attached to your domicile is Fort Mead 1055936;1426641778;*;asciilifeform wonder what the cat ppm is of grain 1055937;1426641791;nubbins`;easy enough to find out the allowed max 1055938;1426641796;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the mail did get in later that day. 1055939;1426641837;asciilifeform;if enemy action - straight sabotage, rather than subversion 1055940;1426641866;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, my mail occasionally gets registered a bit early or late too. I write it off to lazy mailmail scanning everything at once. Still how lond would it take intermediate site to sabotage 1055941;1426641866;asciilifeform;though there might live somewhere a nitwit so astonoshingly stupid that he might imagine that rng might be screwed into a live battlefield system without test of any kind. 1055942;1426641920;BingoBoingo;Well the partial sybill uncovered spynodes because deviance 1055943;1426642012;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " I am severely undrqualified for this" said every virgin at her defloration party. 1055944;1426642027;mircea_popescu;i suppose they don't do those statesides ? 1055945;1426642039;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: perhaps my (1980s) multimeter lies. or i'm simply retarded. or, or, or. 1055946;1426642070;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe tell them that if they provide you with a full diagnosis / story of what happened you'll publish the whole thing on your blog, 1055947;1426642090;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not sure if that would encourage or discourage the poor buggers 1055948;1426642101;mircea_popescu;and that they should prolly take advantage of the opportunity seeing how it's widely read by the world's elite such as for instance mpex discussion. 1055949;1426642112;mircea_popescu;but who cares what the effect is ? :) 1055950;1426642118;nubbins`;my arms are cancelled from all that shovelling 1055951;1426642121;asciilifeform;the only reason they even pretend to do this ritual is the dream, i'd guess, of repeat business 1055952;1426642129;asciilifeform;no one breaks a sweat over <1 benjie 1055953;1426642131;mircea_popescu;quite. 1055954;1426642142;mircea_popescu;they may also be doing it for the principle of the thing. 1055955;1426642148;asciilifeform;entirely possible 1055956;1426642155;mircea_popescu;well so then. 1055957;1426642163;BingoBoingo; i suppose they don't do those statesides ? << Only for the cool virgins 1055958;1426642174;mircea_popescu;yeah kinda how it works. 1055959;1426642185;mod6;anyone wanna give v0.5.3.1 RC1 a try? http://thebitcoin.foundation/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RC1.tar.gz 1055960;1426642186;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzwqY3 ) 1055961;1426642278;mod6;a2d54ff7eebca1340adbe4119eb542db5db0865676b1344f6beaa5fdd0ae6cd8 bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RC1.tar.gz 1055962;1426642355;mircea_popescu;better snow than shit ey nubbins` ? 1055963;1426642387;nubbins`;you assume 8) 1055964;1426642408;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i actually shovelled snow myself. 1055965;1426642415;BingoBoingo;I'm just glad out snow seems over, lilacs started waking up this week 1055966;1426642420;nubbins`;imagine! :D 1055967;1426642434;nubbins`;light and fluffy or 80% liquid water? 1055968;1426642461;nubbins`;large amt of both types on the ground today ;/ 1055969;1426642461;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/jos-basescu/ << 2012. 1055970;1426642462;assbot;Jos Basescu! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACPej8 ) 1055971;1426642509;asciilifeform;"the costs of systemd" << wai wat was this 1055972;1426642543;mircea_popescu;"eulora on gentoo, everything else on gentoo, fu." 1055973;1426642551;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: gentoo doesn't have systemd? << complicated. if you follow the install described in the Handbook, you will almost certainly end up with systemd 1055974;1426642586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00031178 = 15.8072 BTC [-] {4} 1055975;1426642650;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know it occurs to me a broad systemd test script would be useful 1055976;1426642660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: test script ? 1055977;1426642673;asciilifeform;as in, for presence thereof? it's trivial, check the process list 1055978;1426642683;BingoBoingo;nubbins`> large amt of both types on the ground today ;/ << This year aside from October we've just been all light and fluffy 1055979;1426642689;mircea_popescu;it can't run unless it has pid 0 ? 1055980;1426642690;asciilifeform;the thing mutilates the entire system in such ways that there can be no confusion whatsoever about its presence 1055981;1426642697;mircea_popescu;coming up next in game of thrones, http://40.media.tumblr.com/083af2dfaee0ff56b152fe153fa1dce9/tumblr_mtmcqoGtT81r59rt8o1_1280.jpg 1055982;1426642698;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACPVZN ) 1055983;1426642748;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu saw the g.o.t. ? 1055984;1426642780;BingoBoingo;Serious game of throne http://fap.to/images/50/1477125326/fetish-porn/girls-naked-on-the-toilet-4.jpg 1055985;1426642781;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACQdzy ) 1055986;1426642832;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: l0l 1055987;1426642849;asciilifeform;'wide stance' (TM) 1055988;1426642864;asciilifeform;(uttered by american politician, even) 1055989;1426642888;BingoBoingo;Larry Craig (tm) 1055990;1426642916;mircea_popescu;got ? 1055991;1426642928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: game of thrones 1055992;1426642935;mircea_popescu;ah, no. im peripherally aware of it cuz coupla of de girlz are fans 1055993;1426642946;asciilifeform;(exists as a barely readable book series, and a very lulzy tv series) 1055994;1426643023;BingoBoingo;It's basically another hairy twatter fanfic, still not as good as the woodchipper one 1055995;1426643030;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nope 1055996;1426643044;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not all bad phantasy is riff on hp 1055997;1426643066;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It didn't start that way, but it is headed there. 1055998;1426643078;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there's a whole world of it. traditionally dominated by bad tolkien riffs, but GOT isn't one of these either 1055999;1426643150;asciilifeform;for gentoo n00bz: 1056000;1426643176;asciilifeform;use 'eudev' instead of 'udev'. this zaps the shitgnomotron of artificial dependency on systemd in device hotplugger 1056001;1426643235;asciilifeform;http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd << aaaand there's a bit of instruction here 1056002;1426643236;assbot;Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACRzdG ) 1056003;1426643257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110683 @ 0.00030836 = 34.1302 BTC [-] {2} 1056004;1426643267;asciilifeform;summary: add '-systemd' to USE flags 1056005;1426643278;asciilifeform;and mask systemd and udev in package.mask. 1056006;1426643318;asciilifeform;do this -before- emerging world, or any individual package likely to pull in systemd-isms for that matter. 1056007;1426643318;*;BingoBoingo is perfectly happy to admit his beloved Breaking Bad is just MacBeth fanfic 1056008;1426643345;*;asciilifeform is curious whether anyone here 1) does gentoo 2) did not know above recipe 1056009;1426643531;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from what i've seen they mostly do "bad actors in bad period costumes and elevator scripts" 1056010;1426643580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the idiocy of how linux nowadays handles dependencies makes me fucking hate the entire thing. 1056011;1426643599;mircea_popescu;really, solitaire is dependent on networking ? fuck the whole lot of them. 1056012;1426643608;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gentoo is afaik the last remaining bastion of sanity re: dependencies 1056013;1426643618;asciilifeform;which is to say, they are actually controllable 1056014;1426643623;trinque;-pulseaudio is another good one 1056015;1426643632;trinque;also -dbus 1056016;1426643635;mircea_popescu;"the last remaining bastion " >> http://40.media.tumblr.com/bab78269d215cf75ed1df862a19e1494/tumblr_mz3c8j5Dmq1s0f482o1_1280.jpg 1056017;1426643636;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACSOJZ ) 1056018;1426643647;nubbins`;have never used gentoo 1056019;1426643677;mircea_popescu;nubbins` me either. nor would i have considered it, pre debian showing all the leadership of a stale clump of bread. 1056020;1426643705;*;asciilifeform went straight from msdos to freebsd, then gentoo 1056021;1426643707;nubbins`;i diddled with slackware in my teens, have used debian or a derivation thereof since 1056022;1426643709;mircea_popescu;meanwhile /me has ordered gentoo researched and will probably migrate. 1056023;1426643715;mircea_popescu;exactly 1056024;1426643716;*;asciilifeform this being whole of what he ever used on pc arch 1056025;1426643716;nubbins`;linux-wise, anyway 1056026;1426643719;mircea_popescu;half my shit is still on sarge 1056027;1426643769;*;asciilifeform was never eager to run other folks' binaries if there was a way of avoiding it, purely because it never seems to work reasonably well on linux (i always got 'lucky' and libc mismatched) 1056028;1426643816;nubbins`;i recall using VMS on a work term once 1056029;1426643818;nubbins`;bizarre os 1056030;1426643826;*;asciilifeform likes various gentoo-specific things like automagic cross-compiler toolchain builder 1056031;1426643837;asciilifeform;i do a great bit of cross-compilation. 1056032;1426643845;nubbins`;and my last job, most of the place was mainframes running IBM i 1056033;1426643877;asciilifeform;vms is very interesting from historic perspective and any serious reader of 'the unix hater's handbook' should give it a spin out of purely that 1056034;1426643878;decimation;nubbins`: the aurora should be slightly visible, if you have a dark sky 1056035;1426643889;nubbins`;decimation i'm just outta range 1056036;1426643900;nubbins`;like almost the only place in .ca out of range 1056037;1426643902;decimation;chetty: the G4 global storm is a global phenomenon, still ongoing 1056038;1426643928;decimation;it is maximal opposite the sun; it will move south during the night 1056039;1426643990;decimation;the powerline impacts are probably not detectable on your local line, they affect long distance transmission lines 1056040;1426644025;danielpbarron;09:48 <+asciilifeform> summary: add '-systemd' to USE flags << ah yes i forgot i had done this 1056041;1426644080;danielpbarron;i have pulseaudio though; why is that bad? 1056042;1426644115;mircea_popescu;it's meh. kinda-works. poettering's previous project. 1056043;1426644163;nubbins`;ppp 1056044;1426644232;mircea_popescu;lol 1056045;1426644368;mircea_popescu;http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/97789680783/chapter-18-what << this shit's something else. 1056046;1426644369;assbot;Wading In — Chapter 18 - What? ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACV0Bb ) 1056047;1426644374;mircea_popescu;copilul anal, totally. 1056048;1426644679;BingoBoingo; http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/97789680783/chapter-18-what << this shit's something else. << It gets more broken 1056049;1426644680;assbot;Wading In — Chapter 18 - What? ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACVXtj ) 1056050;1426644721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67554 @ 0.00032508 = 21.9605 BTC [+] 1056051;1426645058;mircea_popescu;!up coalbe 1056052;1426645270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93850 @ 0.00032762 = 30.7471 BTC [+] {3} 1056053;1426645483;decimation;re: systemd-free gentoo < http://www.funtoo.org/Welcome < there's also funtoo which is apparently a light variant on gentoo which specifically excludes systemd 1056054;1426645484;assbot;Funtoo Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cr7dO3 ) 1056055;1426645505;decimation;I haven't used it, but it ought to deliver a gentoo-like experience (uses the same repository afaik) 1056056;1426645514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159013 @ 0.00030578 = 48.623 BTC [-] {3} 1056057;1426645595;BingoBoingo;!up TheNewDeal 1056058;1426645598;decimation;daniel robbins (original man behind gentoo) runs funtoo 1056059;1426645606;TheNewDeal;Why thank you 1056060;1426645640;TheNewDeal;;;Later tell TomServo Ill be around wednesday evening to Sunday evening. Send me a message 1056061;1426645640;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1056062;1426646032;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.brendafdez.1:223f3415b24ac435db9d16f55b3ba58fe472795065787d7fcf3bf3a418da91af 1056063;1426646032;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: no such thing as a chick that can pgp 1056064;1426646118;nubbins`;with a name like funtoo 1056065;1426646299;decimation; apparently john carmack is a fan of the 'racket' language 1056066;1426646345;mircea_popescu;lmao 1056067;1426646490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22199 @ 0.00030356 = 6.7387 BTC [-] 1056068;1426646647;decimation;apparently it's a scheme variant with tons of junk glommed on 1056069;1426646917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120372 @ 0.0002981 = 35.8829 BTC [-] {2} 1056070;1426646928;BingoBoingo;I'll check again in a couple hours, bu we may have aurora building visible here 1056071;1426647000;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/03/17/is-using-encryption-suspicious-half-of-americans-say-yes-according-to-pew/ < "http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/03/17/is-using-encryption-suspicious-half-of-americans-say-yes-according-to-pew/" < lolz 1056072;1426647001;assbot;Is using encryption suspicious? Half of Americans say yes, according to Pew. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrawES ) 1056073;1426647015;decimation;doh stupid cut "Though the report found that a majority of Americans are skeptical of government surveillance programs, it also found very few are taking the extra step of encrypting the content of their e-mails. In fact, half of those surveyed said using encryption software gives the government enough suspicion to monitor a U.S. citizen's communications." 1056074;1426647059;BingoBoingo;decimation: You have to remember that ~98% of Americans made the mistake of voting for Obummer or Romney 1056075;1426647067;decimation;heh yeah 1056076;1426647072;decimation;and then again 1056077;1426647089;decimation;Obummer or Mccain, even when ron paul was on the ticket (for primary) 1056078;1426647091;nubbins`;98% voter turnout? :0 1056079;1426647100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59636 @ 0.00030356 = 18.1031 BTC [+] 1056080;1426647151;asciilifeform;'racket' << iirc it was the thing formerly 'plt scheme' 1056081;1426647153;BingoBoingo; Obummer or Mccain, even when ron paul was on the ticket (for primary) << Insuffiecient information at the time to blame eeveryone for voting "generic sharp black kid" over the lich 1056082;1426647166;*;asciilifeform originally learned scheme on 'plt' 1056083;1426647170;asciilifeform;and even taught to a girl 1056084;1426647190;decimation;BingoBoingo: actually that reminds me of a funny quote on the econtalk podcast: "Reminds me of when I tried in 1976--I was in a shopping mall in North Carolina trying to get the Libertarian candidate, Roger McBride, on the ballot. One of my few forays into politics. I would accost passers by and ask them if they would like to see a third party and have another choice, and many of them would say: We have too many already." 1056085;1426647197;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2011/09/winston_on_lawy.html 1056086;1426647198;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1CraX23 ) 1056087;1426647212;decimation;asciilifeform: so you would endorse taking a look at 'racket'? 1056088;1426647216;asciilifeform;no. 1056089;1426647246;decimation;in your blog, you say that scheme is too 'minimal' to be useful 1056090;1426647278;asciilifeform;as described in r5rs - yes 1056091;1426647284;BingoBoingo;decimation: My one legit referendum petition I remember signing was when I was living in Missouri. It is Mardi Gras and I signed the legalize the marijuana petition because fuck west county 1056092;1426647286;asciilifeform;as described in subsequent documents - poetteringized 1056093;1426647306;decimation;ah, I see. 1056094;1426647333;*;BingoBoingo drilling python some more realizing to do what I want prolly need to drill perl and C 1056095;1426647373;decimation;BingoBoingo: apparently you could just drive to to colorado 1056096;1426647430;BingoBoingo;decimation: On St. Patricks day? After mircea_popescu lost the Berkshire bet? I'm fine taking in the Aurorae as a faint green glow. 1056097;1426647457;decimation;BingoBoingo: I don't mind python, but realize it's just kind of a c with lisp ideas thrown in 1056098;1426647762;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: I don't mind python, but realize it's just kind of a c with lisp ideas thrown in << I'm just looking to populate a toolbox. 1056099;1426647772;BingoBoingo;For mundane taks 1056100;1426647775;BingoBoingo;*tasks 1056101;1426647808;*;asciilifeform has a radio scanner running for unrelated reasons, picked up the well-known alex jones, quoth 'soros funded ferguson...' - then disappears in jamming noise 1056102;1426647819;asciilifeform;or possibly the solar flare 1056103;1426647823;decimation;heh 1056104;1426647890;BingoBoingo; or possibly the solar flare << Direction of solar flare fun from here is line of site to downtown (granted not huge downtown) and walmart LED lights. 1056105;1426647925;BingoBoingo;Maybe placebo, but at last check tint to lights a bit greener than usual for such clear skies. 1056106;1426647944;decimation;the aurora is actually caused by particles spiraling down the the magnetic field lines, the solar flare that sent them here was over days ago 1056107;1426647951;BingoBoingo;This being middle west though nothing about sky can be trusted. 1056108;1426647969;asciilifeform;decimation: elementary 'dynamo' situation 1056109;1426647973;asciilifeform;same as nuke emp. 1056110;1426647986;BingoBoingo;decimation: I thought it made contact about 24 hours ago, not quite finished with contact? 1056111;1426647994;decimation;yeah pretty much. that's why it causes a danger to long conductors, sets up currents through 'ground' 1056112;1426648002;BingoBoingo; same as nuke emp. << Speed differs 1056113;1426648009;asciilifeform;well yes. 1056114;1426648036;asciilifeform;'...no survival kit is complete without silver bullets...' -- radio 1056115;1426648048;*;asciilifeform lulz1ng 1056116;1426648055;decimation;BingoBoingo: the main body of particles has passed, but the earth's magnetic field is still bouncing around in its wake 1056117;1426648062;asciilifeform;'...put a wall between you and... irs' 1056118;1426648074;BingoBoingo; '...no survival kit is complete without silver bullets...' -- radio << About as easy to cast as lead 1056119;1426648079;asciilifeform;but wtf. 1056120;1426648079;decimation;asciilifeform: are you listening to 'coast to coast' on am? 1056121;1426648083;asciilifeform;that's some serious sp4m 1056122;1426648094;nubbins`;you pick up some bizarre things on shortwave sometimes 1056123;1426648095;asciilifeform;4.85 Mhz 1056124;1426648109;decimation;shortwave in the us is a desert of crazy 1056125;1426648117;decimation;at least, broadcast anyway 1056126;1426648158;*;BingoBoingo steeling up for the prospect of walking halway to St Rose at for the prospect of seeing a smidge of green in the sky. 1056127;1426648183;danielpbarron;i'm reading the quoted radio text in that alex jones voice in my head 1056128;1426648198;*;BingoBoingo would consider driving if he hadn't started the libations 10 hours ago. 1056129;1426648259;decimation;asciilifeform: you might be listening to WWCR transmitter #3 1056130;1426648268;decimation;schedule here http://www.wwcr.com/ 1056131;1426648269;assbot;WWCR.com | Home - WWCR Shortwave, Nashville, Tennessee, USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crd8Td ) 1056132;1426648284;decimation;it could also be a harmonic of some local am broadcaster 1056133;1426648329;*;BingoBoingo thinks eventually qntra should distribute RSS over number station 1056134;1426648351;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you wanna pay for this... 1056135;1426648376;nubbins`;;;google raspberry pi pirate radio 1056136;1426648376;gribble;Raspberry Pirate Radio - Make: | Make:: ; Start a Pirate Radio Station with a Raspberry Pi and a Single Wire: ; Weekend Projects - Raspberry Pirate Radio - YouTube: 1056137;1426648377;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Give it two decades. 1 GW at 440 HZ 1056138;1426648383;nubbins`;works until you get v& 1056139;1426648436;BingoBoingo;When mircea_popescu's comfotable in New Reno should be perfectly feasible 1056140;1426648471;BingoBoingo;What else is the Hoover Damn or its remains going to be sending power too? 1056141;1426648476;mircea_popescu; Is using encryption suspicious? Half of Americans say yes, according to Pew << half of americans also think an mit degree means basic electric competence. 1056142;1426648583;asciilifeform;goddammnit 1056143;1426648599;mircea_popescu;? 1056144;1426648599;asciilifeform;[censored].155 Mhz has my keyboard 1056145;1426648610;BingoBoingo;So in News, disorderly conduct has moved from series of incompletable bench trials to Hearing today. 1056146;1426648616;asciilifeform;fucktardation 1056147;1426648626;*;asciilifeform was actually looking for precisely it, and found it 1056148;1426648647;BingoBoingo;Hearing in May 1056149;1426648683;decimation;asciilifeform: my suggestion: lots of ferrite 1056150;1426648761;asciilifeform;not coming from the cable 1056151;1426648763;asciilifeform;(shielded) 1056152;1426648789;BingoBoingo;Erect around mudhut, ground well? https://gensteel.com/ 1056153;1426648792;assbot;Steel Buildings | Steel Building & Metal Building Quotes ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuGv6e ) 1056154;1426648855;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not in mud hut 1056155;1426648874;mircea_popescu; '...no survival kit is complete without silver bullets...' << this is actually a lot more sensible than it seems. silver has some good chars for making a bullet. 1056156;1426648893;asciilifeform;vs pb ? 1056157;1426648895;asciilifeform;how ? 1056158;1426648933;BingoBoingo;Silver's a bit harder, still soft enough for rifling. Just not quite as dense as pb 1056159;1426648960;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because doesn't blunt quite as much on impact 1056160;1426648963;*;asciilifeform found yet another harmonic 1056161;1426648968;mircea_popescu;less like frozen shit, so to speak 1056162;1426648973;*;asciilifeform is -not- happy with his discovery 1056163;1426649001;BingoBoingo;Excellent chumpatron could be had selling silver bullets at $5 - 45 per round for "When your life depends on it" 1056164;1426649013;mircea_popescu;i think it's being done already. 1056165;1426649077;*;mircea_popescu sits patiently waiting to see what alf finds in his kbd now 1056166;1426649095;BingoBoingo;Of all the silly james bond premises the man with the gold gun seemed one of the more feasible ones. 1056167;1426649101;asciilifeform;it's an ordinary '80s ps/2 kbd. 1056168;1426649112;asciilifeform;i knew they are loud, did not know -how- 1056169;1426649172;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo gold is pretty atrocious a material to make guns out of. 1056170;1426649196;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is it audible if unplugged ? 1056171;1426649208;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The gun itself yes, the bullet, no 1056172;1426649210;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: +5dB when key repeating 1056173;1426649224;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: otherwise just atmospheric static uncorrelated with distance of antenna from device 1056174;1426649228;mircea_popescu;sure, gold bullet might work. 1056175;1426649235;mircea_popescu;not so different from what the us is doing currently. 1056176;1426649254;mircea_popescu;"would have been cheaper to buy afghanistan than to conquer it was" 1056177;1426649263;BingoBoingo;Du's prolly close to the optimal choice though 1056178;1426649332;asciilifeform;... aaaand another harmonic 1056179;1426649436;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/so-hows-magic-work/ 1056180;1426649491;BingoBoingo;!up gabrielradio 1056181;1426649823;asciilifeform;.... and another harmonic 1056182;1426649849;decimation;asciilifeform: it could be from the cord 1056183;1426649888;asciilifeform;mnope. 1056184;1426649893;asciilifeform;specifically keyboard microcontroller. 1056185;1426649914;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, but something is radiating it presumably? 1056186;1426649922;asciilifeform;decimation: scan matrix 1056187;1426650244;decimation;asciilifeform: there might be little you can do unless you are willing to modify the internal circuitry 1056188;1426650252;asciilifeform;decimation: more than willing 1056189;1426650256;decimation;some ferrite might help, but it takes quite a bit to make a difference 1056190;1426650344;decimation;www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf < I recommend this 1056191;1426650349;mircea_popescu;actually... just add rng in circuit. 1056192;1426650357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: think, scan matrix 1056193;1426650429;decimation;common mode chokes create an impedence to the common mode circuit - you would have to pass both signal and ground through them. a mix #43 toroid with several turns of both signal and ground would help 1056194;1426650434;asciilifeform;http://www.dribin.org/dave/keyboard/one_html << likbez 1056195;1426650435;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuIIyC ) 1056196;1426650440;asciilifeform;decimation: not coming from the cable! 1056197;1426650460;decimation;asciilifeform: I understand, I'm talking about the connection between the microprocessor and the scan array 1056198;1426650471;asciilifeform;the array itself appears to radiate also. 1056199;1426650476;decimation;yes 1056200;1426650479;asciilifeform;which is entirely unsurprising 1056201;1426650485;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i understnad how the matrix thing works. 1056202;1426650487;asciilifeform;to anyone who was awake in kindergarten 1056203;1426650495;asciilifeform;likbez for ze n00bz 1056204;1426650501;mircea_popescu;fact remains you can add a chunk to generate fake keypresses right next to it. 1056205;1426650508;mircea_popescu;you are immune to it, yourself, because wires. 1056206;1426650516;mircea_popescu;spy however can't discern 1056207;1426650521;decimation;the other solution is to insert a differential filter (lowpass) in the actual scan array circuit 1056208;1426650545;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ideal materials for this artistic project is controller from identical kbd, with keyswitch faker attached 1056209;1426650555;mircea_popescu;well, or can use your own rng. 1056210;1426650557;decimation;which may have obvious side effects on the circuitry 1056211;1426650569;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes but to have precisely same radiating profile 1056212;1426650577;mircea_popescu;well yea, will take some tinkering. 1056213;1426650618;*;asciilifeform could probably achieve more with an actual spectrum analyzer, but would have to sell organs 1056214;1426650641;decimation;does your o-scope have a 'spectrum analyzer' mode? 1056215;1426650663;asciilifeform;decimation: yes but entirely useless for this application. 1056216;1426650699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147533 @ 0.00032249 = 47.5779 BTC [+] {2} 1056217;1426650702;asciilifeform;decimation: the rf amp is the golden toilet 1056218;1426650723;asciilifeform;i only have the equivalent of a 'copper toilet' here. 1056219;1426650784;decimation;actually your scanner would be a halfass alternative 1056220;1426650798;decimation;you can at least measure relative signal strength at select frequencies 1056221;1426650804;asciilifeform;decimation: what do you suppose i was using. 1056222;1426650853;asciilifeform;(it's an ancient rs232-controlled scanner, and handheld antenna over 50ohm coax) 1056223;1426650882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42298 @ 0.00033536 = 14.1851 BTC [+] 1056224;1426650889;decimation;heh the icom pcr-1000? 1056225;1426650900;asciilifeform;100 1056226;1426650926;decimation;I have the 1000, it's a good unit 1056227;1426650927;*;asciilifeform wonders if -everybody- has this one 1056228;1426651148;decimation;there was a windows tool that turned the pcr-1000 into a spectrum analyzer - not fast but it kinda worked 1056229;1426651193;asciilifeform;any machine-controllable scanner with machine-readable output is a (very) poor man's spectrum analyzer. 1056230;1426651257;decimation;aye. the problem is that the sweep rate is usually very low 1056231;1426651263;decimation;and the res bandwidth is not small 1056232;1426651304;decimation;yeah here's the tool: http://qsy.to/pcr/talkpcr.html < works for pcr-100 1056233;1426651305;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EuJXOi ) 1056234;1426651307;asciilifeform;to round out the keyboard thread, i am quite close to being convinced of the necessity of keyboard with optical fiber for mechanism 1056235;1426651345;asciilifeform;or, failing that, mechanical vibration (as in early 'spark gap' cad tablets of the '70s) 1056236;1426651349;decimation;asciilifeform: you could use the telegraph keyer like that ru chick 1056237;1426651383;asciilifeform;decimation: damnably poor idea - easy 'optical tempest' intercept if anyone can see your body move 1056238;1426651408;decimation;well, yeah but presumably normal keyboard is also vulnerable? 1056239;1426651414;asciilifeform;not to same extent 1056240;1426651497;BingoBoingo;!up goofythedog 1056241;1426651507;goofythedog;Whats up 1056242;1426651514;BingoBoingo;nuts 1056243;1426651517;goofythedog;Why 1056244;1426651523;BingoBoingo;puppies 1056245;1426651558;goofythedog;Yoh got pups? 1056246;1426651651;goofythedog;Yeh 1056247;1426651785;decimation;asciilifeform: it's a shame that nobody produces an 'englebart violin' chorded entry device 1056248;1426652163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136010 @ 0.00032473 = 44.1665 BTC [-] {2} 1056249;1426652319;*;asciilifeform recalls reading patents for fiber keyboards but never saw any hint of such a thing in production. 1056250;1426652327;asciilifeform;though the 'how' is trivial. 1056251;1426652528;asciilifeform;http://benkrasnow.blogspot.com/2011/03/diy-scanning-electron-microscope.html << unrelated 1056252;1426652530;assbot;Ben Krasnow: DIY scanning electron microscope - Overview video ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYj9pB ) 1056253;1426653070;decimation;lol that's awesome 1056254;1426653689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19864 @ 0.00030404 = 6.0395 BTC [-] 1056255;1426653853;BingoBoingo;!up shesek 1056256;1426654422;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2012-info/obama-moron/0021.htm << vintage rf lulz 1056257;1426654423;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xdmzW0 ) 1056258;1426655151;decimation;asciilifeform: one wonders why some of this kind of thing has appeared to 'stick' to hillary but hasn't to obama 1056259;1426655164;mircea_popescu;Subject: Welcome to Bitstamp From: "Bitstamp" 1056260;1426655173;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1056261;1426655271;mircea_popescu;if anyone was wondering how those "users" keep going up... 1056262;1426655294;decimation;mircea_popescu: the first rule of customer service is to ignore the customer 1056263;1426655301;mircea_popescu;i am not a customer. 1056264;1426655311;mircea_popescu;they are spamming what's most likely a bought list. 1056265;1426655343;mircea_popescu;" Content preview: Dear Alare Kool, thank you for registering at Bitstamp exchange service! At this point you have just contributed a great deal to future of decentralized monetary market." 1056266;1426655354;mircea_popescu;in other words "redditards, welcome!" 1056267;1426655367;mircea_popescu;"grammer, potional." 1056268;1426655585;decimation;re: fake drug seizures < if you drill down in the report, you find that 96% of the 'ditchweed' was destroyed in just one state: indiana 1056269;1426655610;decimation;I'm sure they found a way to game the feds out of bezzlars in exchange for piles of fake weed 1056270;1426655662;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sounds like forged headers (why would the actual 'bitstamp' spam ? wtf is the point) 1056271;1426655683;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do the links contained in the turd point to the genuine site ? 1056272;1426655775;decimation;lolz > http://blog.mdsec.co.uk/2015/03/bruteforcing-ios-screenlock.html < can bruteforce the 4-digit pin on the iphone 5 in 40 seconds 1056273;1426655776;assbot;MDSec Blog: Apple iOS Hardware Assisted Screenlock Bruteforce ... ( http://bit.ly/1xdp0bd ) 1056274;1426655824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62274 @ 0.00029596 = 18.4306 BTC [-] 1056275;1426655865;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, so they can claim the most valuable email address in bitcoin space as "a customer" ? 1056276;1426655887;asciilifeform;'What is surprising however is that this still works even with the “Erase data after 10 attempts” configuration setting enabled. Our initial analysis indicates that the IP Box is able to bypass this restriction by connecting directly to the iPhone’s power source and aggressively cutting the power after each failed PIN attempt, but before the attempt has been synchronized to flash memory.' << mega-l0l! 1056277;1426655887;mircea_popescu;Received: from mail.bitstamp.net ([54.235.132.61]:55581 helo=bitstamp.net) 1056278;1426655890;mircea_popescu;it's them alright. 1056279;1426655909;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: someone signed you up as a gag ? 1056280;1426655910;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah. apple supposedly spent years trying to make the device secure 1056281;1426655929;decimation;but it has encrypted storage!!! 1056282;1426655934;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right. 1056283;1426655977;mircea_popescu;Please write down the following login information 1056284;1426655977;mircea_popescu;Client ID: 051013 1056285;1426655977;mircea_popescu;Password: /lf!iqkR7d!1 1056286;1426655977;mircea_popescu;The above password has been automatically generated. You should change it as 1056287;1426655977;mircea_popescu;soon as you log in for the first time. 1056288;1426655986;mircea_popescu;this, you will note, in a PLAINTEXT EMAIL. 1056289;1426656028;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2015/so-hows-magic-work/#comment-113152 1056290;1426656028;assbot;So how's magic work ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xwFQfJ ) 1056291;1426656029;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n 1056292;1426656069;asciilifeform;re: iPnohe bruteforcer - apple could have easily written 1) update counter 2) validate code instead of 1) validate code 2) update counter 1056293;1426656076;asciilifeform;but - didn't. 1056294;1426656101;asciilifeform;not that it would have made a serious difference in the end - 1056295;1426656108;asciilifeform;but shows how much of a fuck was actually given 1056296;1426656126;decimation;asciilifeform: the ultimate problem is not actually having a secure terminal, but pretending that you do 1056297;1426656132;asciilifeform;no shit 1056298;1426656197;decimation;if you read the apple whitepaper on the iphone 5 security, you see they play all kinds of shell games attempting to keep keys in temporary buffers so that the storage can be 'encrypted' while still able to receive texts, unlock screen, etc 1056299;1426656228;asciilifeform;'fried ice' 1056300;1426656232;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo was just answering that. 1056301;1426656258;mircea_popescu; but shows how much of a fuck was actually given << or how much of a fuck was available to give. 1056302;1426656264;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's just the cascade of fail yudo shits out 1056303;1426656279;mircea_popescu;deup ftw. 1056304;1426656289;decimation;well, they did actually appear to spend alot of time 'giving a fuck' 1056305;1426656295;decimation;it's just that they failed to deliver anything 1056306;1426656341;decimation;actually, since apple controls the complete stack all the way down to silicon, they are in a unique position to actually deliever, but didn't 1056307;1426656352;asciilifeform;deliver what? 1056308;1426656359;decimation;you know, actual security 1056309;1426656370;asciilifeform;-actual- means auditable 1056310;1426656373;decimation;appropriately partitioned code and data 1056311;1426656376;asciilifeform;and no longer fits in pocket. 1056312;1426656386;asciilifeform;or, likely, in the room you're sitting in. 1056313;1426656405;asciilifeform;but certainly not in pocket. 1056314;1426656405;decimation;and doesn't copy bits off the air and save them to 'encrypted storage' without intervention 1056315;1426656421;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/pisatii/ << btw, ancient sf of mine. the central idea being that et come, their home atmosphere is heavy in amonia, so they have some special suits to recycle the amonia, which somewhat leak... which leaks smell like... stale piss. 1056316;1426656422;assbot;Pisatii pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xwGwBJ ) 1056317;1426656428;mircea_popescu;so the et are known as ... the pissed upons. 1056318;1426656451;asciilifeform;l0l 1056319;1426656475;mircea_popescu;also they want two things from earth : hot peppers 1056320;1426656476;mircea_popescu;and cocaine. 1056321;1426656494;mircea_popescu;because the hot peppers are like lsd + speed, while cocaine is basically sugar++ 1056322;1426656513;decimation;I've heard that chicken farmers actually become somewhat immune to the extreme ammonia smell 1056323;1426656534;mircea_popescu;and they wanted to go to where cocaine is made and congratulate the people on their great discovery. 1056324;1426656557;mircea_popescu;"Va dati seama, primul pamintean decorat de extraterestri urma sa fie urmasul lui Pablo Escobar." 1056325;1426656572;decimation;usg helps make roundup resistant cocaine 1056326;1426656878;BingoBoingo;decimation> usg helps make roundup resistant cocaine << Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the cartels innovated that themselves 1056327;1426656975;decimation;possibly, but they could probably get started by picking the plants that survived the spraying 1056328;1426657023;mircea_popescu;well they wouldn't be picking the ones that didn't. 1056329;1426657238;BingoBoingo;decimation: Around here nearly everything is roundup resistant now 1056330;1426657279;decimation;heh yeah, but does it reproduce without monsanto? 1056331;1426657298;BingoBoingo;Oh, I'm not talking the crops 1056332;1426657334;ben_vulpes; check it out, she's got a wiki page an' errything : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Dynamite << one really can buy anything 1056333;1426657336;assbot;Shanti Dynamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xwI6U9 ) 1056334;1426657394;ben_vulpes; "Parents divorced at age of 9 years..." << wow jeez that's some painfully bad shit 1056335;1426657411;ben_vulpes;"it was cold and completely different to Africa" 1056336;1426657499;ben_vulpes;;;later tell brendafdez hey where's that shopping list 1056337;1426657499;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1056338;1426657605;mircea_popescu;i imagine it sucks. 1056339;1426657715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23710 @ 0.00031348 = 7.4326 BTC [+] 1056340;1426658239;ben_vulpes;the shopping list? 1056341;1426658318;mircea_popescu;!up megadeth 1056342;1426658393;megadeth;Mircea, a personal thank you from my side for 1) Placing your money on the bitbet. 2) Spending your personal wealth in the well being of BTC. 1056343;1426658427;mircea_popescu;a ? 1056344;1426658539;mircea_popescu;cool. 1056345;1426658746;ben_vulpes;oh man that video of subcontinental sweets is baaaad 1056346;1426659243;ben_vulpes; i have this idea in my mind that people know what stuff is i guess. << i keep falling for this one too. 1056347;1426659258;ben_vulpes; if i had a vanilla linux box here, it'd likely be no sweat << heard of a thing called "vagrant"? "virtualbox"? 1056348;1426659280;ben_vulpes;;;later tell nubbins "if i had a vanilla linux box here, it'd likely be no sweat" << heard of a thing called "vagrant"? "virtualbox"? 1056349;1426659280;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1056350;1426659301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201700 @ 0.00030811 = 62.1458 BTC [-] 1056351;1426659396;ben_vulpes; i'd never had a ball boy before and it. was. sweet. < heh. 1056352;1426659433;ben_vulpes;man the temptation to quote out of context is p. strong. 1056353;1426659571;ben_vulpes; [18:57] but for one thing it's bullshit and for the other thing, it doesn't really wash. << nor do the workmen, and for that matter why would anyone want to be of the unwashed masses? 1056354;1426659619;ben_vulpes; [19:01] really there was absolutely no reason (apart from their tim swansonesque contemptuous idiocy) to make the nodes visible. << feel free to block 0.5.3.1 nodes if you can find them, reddit. 1056355;1426660006;ben_vulpes; [19:53] indescript house in omaha, married, with children. about as boring as it gets. << orgies on the yangtzee with bill gates 1056356;1426660033;ben_vulpes;hey speaking of where are the eager young sluts to be found in bsas? 1056357;1426660036;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i was talking about the nodes they were using tro "spy on bitcoin" aka "repackage freely available information for the bezzle idiots" 1056358;1426660056;ben_vulpes;i brought my own last time so didn't have cause to go seeking, and no time this time. 1056359;1426660111;ben_vulpes;i'm...aware. 1056360;1426660261;ben_vulpes;;;later tell jurov ben_vulpes rly? you want patches for makeshift build scripts? << look either you run diff or the n people running the list do. 1056361;1426660262;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1056362;1426660274;ben_vulpes;s/run/read 1056363;1426660277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109904 @ 0.00029769 = 32.7173 BTC [-] {2} 1056364;1426660704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31087 @ 0.00030811 = 9.5782 BTC [+] 1056365;1426660989;ben_vulpes; https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/577976775449300992 << this is the most badass thing 1056366;1426660991;assbot;/hashtag/OpenBSD?src=hash 5.6 on an Apple iMac G4. http://t.co/vx5qS4N7WV 1056367;1426661008;ben_vulpes;i am emailing my father right now to see if that model is still in his basement 1056368;1426661036;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes errywhere. if you folks feel like it we'll go check out the local bdsm club. 1056369;1426661079;mircea_popescu;otherwise, prostitution being legal, and the universities being in session... 1056370;1426661296;ben_vulpes;your reports of the local bdsm scene are *not* a sales pitch. 1056371;1426661311;ben_vulpes;i've club sesso right down the street. 1056372;1426661314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85996 @ 0.00029305 = 25.2011 BTC [-] {2} 1056373;1426661314;mircea_popescu;im not a salesman. 1056374;1426661333;ben_vulpes;well have you found something good? 1056375;1426661340;ben_vulpes;all i hear is "jesus fuck these people are retarded" 1056376;1426661346;mircea_popescu;that i want to share ? 1056377;1426661361;mircea_popescu;if it makes you feel any better i was saying the same in teh us. 1056378;1426661378;ben_vulpes;i'd not presume to encroach on your area 1056379;1426661417;mircea_popescu;neways, you can has list of pickup places, ie, where the girls go to work. 1056380;1426661449;mircea_popescu;not that you'd conceivably need it, what they do here is print little 3x2 papers and stick them everywhere. 1056381;1426661455;ben_vulpes;anyways, no, thank you, i'll not impose that on the gentle asshats 1056382;1426661475;mircea_popescu;lol which ones ? 1056383;1426661489;ben_vulpes;the bdsm club heh 1056384;1426661530;mircea_popescu;ah 1056385;1426661559;mircea_popescu;what's this club sesso thning ? 1056386;1426661561;mircea_popescu;!up shesek 1056387;1426661593;mircea_popescu;oh, swinger's club. the local thing i visited and cursed closed meanwhile. 1056388;1426661614;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is ron jeremy 1056389;1426661623;mircea_popescu;that disco face looks oddly familiar 1056390;1426661677;ben_vulpes;oh i'm bashing that 1056391;1426661748;mircea_popescu;"Club Sesso is Portland Oregon's upscale, swingers club." 1056392;1426661751;mircea_popescu;i, see. 1056393;1426661758;mircea_popescu;is it any good ? 1056394;1426661760;ben_vulpes;on a previous branch, i'm far more interested in a) vino b) carne and c) tango than the local whatever whatever 1056395;1426661765;ben_vulpes;some nights 1056396;1426661782;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes we're going to this great tango thing 1056397;1426661786;ben_vulpes;YUSSS 1056398;1426661793;ben_vulpes;boss u da bes 1056399;1426661810;mircea_popescu;"Have fun, meet new friends and become a part of the Sesso Community. Become a volunteer at Club Sesso!" dude... 1056400;1426661817;mircea_popescu;it can't be doing THAT well. 1056401;1426661827;ben_vulpes;is it one of those silly 'performances' where dinner is stupid expensive and you watch a theatrical thinger? 1056402;1426661838;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: well if you're going to the events listed on the homepage for noobs... 1056403;1426661862;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes, except good. 1056404;1426661867;ben_vulpes;look i'm making a reference to the plethora of local fauna. 1056405;1426661876;mircea_popescu;unless they fuck it up, which... argentines are famously unreliable. 1056406;1426661878;ben_vulpes;sesso's an intake and filter point. 1056407;1426661907;mircea_popescu;for coughars ? 1056408;1426661942;ben_vulpes;mk well i've got my intel applied to 'milongas that don't mind shitty enthusiastic gringos too much' and also 'milongas where i should just sit and watch' as backup so i'm not terrifically concerned. 1056409;1426661965;mircea_popescu;"Clean Up Your Own Mess" "upscale" wut! 1056410;1426661976;mircea_popescu;errything in america is self serve by now innit. 1056411;1426661977;ben_vulpes;go write an article 1056412;1426661984;mircea_popescu;no, i'd rather pester you :D 1056413;1426661992;ben_vulpes;outta mah face! 1056414;1426662036;ben_vulpes;so actually entertainingly, one of the decent sex parties happens in the warehouse where i used to house the boys. 1056415;1426662039;ben_vulpes;imagine my surprise. 1056416;1426662042;mircea_popescu;anyway, we're also going to the place's best porterhouse steak imo, so there is that. 1056417;1426662052;mircea_popescu;boys = dogs ? 1056418;1426662059;mircea_popescu;decent = indecent ? 1056419;1426662064;mircea_popescu;y u kids gotta use code on my god damned lawn! 1056420;1426662077;ben_vulpes;infer from context! 1056421;1426662090;ben_vulpes;do a thing you hate and despise! 1056422;1426662108;ben_vulpes;uh no programmers. 1056423;1426662188;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: y el vino? 1056424;1426662197;mircea_popescu;there's no wine. sorry. 1056425;1426662204;mircea_popescu;the truck broke down. 1056426;1426662209;ben_vulpes;WHAT 1056427;1426662211;ben_vulpes;you drank it all 1056428;1426662213;ben_vulpes;stop lying 1056429;1426662217;mircea_popescu;normally we get it on friday... 1056430;1426662226;ben_vulpes;bwahahaha 1056431;1426662235;mircea_popescu;the cat's eaten it. 1056432;1426662235;ben_vulpes;stahp i'll wake the girl 1056433;1426662257;ben_vulpes;that's an excellent argentine 1056434;1426662263;mircea_popescu;sorry ben, im affraid the wine's more runny than you'd like it./ 1056435;1426662295;ben_vulpes;please don't tell me 1056436;1426662301;ben_vulpes;the viscosity is nearly that of water 1056437;1426662309;ben_vulpes;simply will not do 1056438;1426662360;mircea_popescu;there's licorice ? 1056439;1426662369;mircea_popescu;and non alcoholic cider. 1056440;1426662406;ben_vulpes;and some stale crackers, no doubt. 1056441;1426662416;ben_vulpes;OH THERE'S LICORICE IS THER 1056442;1426662429;mircea_popescu;(tru story : mp was once at a guy's bday party, very smart coder guy. the party - total cockfest. mp's escort only girl in the room. mp sighs and goes got any booze ? 1056443;1426662433;mircea_popescu;answer comes back as... 1056444;1426662439;ben_vulpes;o no 1056445;1426662475;mircea_popescu;so mp goes "go and buy some vodka". everyone (~dozen ppls) gets drunk offa half the bottle. girl drinks other half. her eyebrows slowly but surely keep rising all through the night) 1056446;1426662498;ben_vulpes; "the last remaining bastion " >> http://40.media.tumblr.com/bab78269d215cf75ed1df862a19e1494/tumblr_mz3c8j5Dmq1s0f482o1_1280.jpg << oh homegirl's about to have some fun 1056447;1426662499;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpNWcw ) 1056448;1426662508;mircea_popescu;to my great shame, those eyebrows are the only thing i recall of this girl. 1056449;1426662541;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes maybe they just wanna play conect-r with her. 1056450;1426662550;ben_vulpes;no but look at her face 1056451;1426662572;mircea_popescu;she looks like she's done this before. 1056452;1426662576;ben_vulpes;yeah. 1056453;1426662623;ben_vulpes;you know that gangbang where ladybird's really running the show? 1056454;1426662631;ben_vulpes;every good one? 1056455;1426662636;mircea_popescu;which is 80% of them ? 1056456;1426662637;mircea_popescu;right 1056457;1426662663;mircea_popescu;it's unavoidable, she's the server, scheduling naturally resides with her, which... 1056458;1426662671;ben_vulpes;oh ffs 1056459;1426662673;ben_vulpes;must you really 1056460;1426662684;ben_vulpes;you see people this is actually the vile shit 1056461;1426662688;mircea_popescu;? 1056462;1426662728;ben_vulpes;we're talking about ordinary gangbangs 1056463;1426662738;ben_vulpes;and mircea_popescu must MUST *MUST* start talking about servers 1056464;1426662751;ben_vulpes;fucking disgusting, i tell you. 1056465;1426662753;mircea_popescu;do not hate me because i'm an abstract thinker 1056466;1426662770;mircea_popescu;or ima complain to elikbez'r yadukoksky 1056467;1426662774;mircea_popescu;or w/e his name is. 1056468;1426662903;ben_vulpes; Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: no such thing as a chick that can pgp << hawwwww 1056469;1426662945;ben_vulpes; and even taught to a girl << contrary to public opinion this is not really a feat 1056470;1426662977;mircea_popescu;yeah what's with all teh sexisms! 1056471;1426662985;mircea_popescu;buncha chicks in assbot's wot. 1056472;1426662994;ben_vulpes;babes are people too and generally smarter than the doodz in the w0t 1056473;1426663006;ben_vulpes;come onnnnn log only 300 lines left 1056474;1426663032;ben_vulpes; [03:20] '...no survival kit is complete without silver bullets...' << this is actually a lot more sensible than it seems. silver has some good chars for making a bullet. << no no no no no and again no 1056475;1426663034;ben_vulpes;bullets are dead 1056476;1426663047;mircea_popescu;... 1056477;1426663054;mircea_popescu;what do you think sperm is ? 1056478;1426663065;ben_vulpes;to give away *even more* of the game what we're after is mini solids with vanes in the exhaust that protrude out from the projectile body. 1056479;1426663112;ben_vulpes;kinetic energy can be purchased with different distributions of mass and gas. 1056480;1426663131;ben_vulpes;rifling PAUGH 1056481;1426663145;mircea_popescu;... 1056482;1426663153;mircea_popescu;what is this, superhero quailshot ? 1056483;1426663246;ben_vulpes;chip and servos. 1056484;1426663257;ben_vulpes;not precisely buckshot, no. 1056485;1426663270;*;mircea_popescu is kinda happy with guns as they are. 1056486;1426663270;ben_vulpes;include pyrotechnics for...pyrotechnics. 1056487;1426663276;mircea_popescu;one of the few fields humanity got mostly right. 1056488;1426663286;ben_vulpes;guns do not give you air superiority. 1056489;1426663307;ben_vulpes;cannot demolish cover. 1056490;1426663384;ben_vulpes;myriad applications i'll leave for eager students. 1056491;1426663392;mircea_popescu;"air superiority" is for the birds. 1056492;1426663419;ben_vulpes;>.< 1056493;1426663437;ben_vulpes;pluck them mid-flight 1056494;1426663476;ben_vulpes;ugh i can't unsee that pun 1056495;1426663492;mircea_popescu;if what you're doing requires "air superiority" you're essentially trying to construct a nuclear-powered lawnmover 1056496;1426663496;mircea_popescu;mower* 1056497;1426663529;mircea_popescu;these don't exist not because "it wouldn't be cool", but because it'd be pretty dumb. 1056498;1426663568;ben_vulpes;i'm thinking about floaty things that map out battlefields when floating unpricked around the battlefield. 1056499;1426663571;ben_vulpes;not jets, etc. 1056500;1426663593;mircea_popescu;let 1056501;1426663597;mircea_popescu;'s put it in an easier context. 1056502;1426663607;mircea_popescu;what can be said about the kid who gets into a fight his first day in the new school ? 1056503;1426663653;mircea_popescu;if you're fighting over terrain you do not know you've got a whole heap of problems, each much bigger than anything a buzzard flying by could solve. 1056504;1426663674;mircea_popescu;this is scarce consolation to the poor schmucks sent to die in the trenches, of course, but we're here discussing the larger problem 1056505;1426663851;ben_vulpes;perhaps i misspeak when i say "superiority" rather than pointing at the value in denying others ownership of a space. 1056506;1426663872;ben_vulpes;"fly your jet through here, i dare you." type of approach. 1056507;1426663902;mircea_popescu;yeah. this of course only works to "me too" monkeys. 1056508;1426663918;ben_vulpes;hm? 1056509;1426663967;mircea_popescu;note that the chinese very smartly did not do what the usians expected them to do in the 70s/80s (an exact rehash of the 60s/70s russian idiocy of trying to copy them and lose at it, Мы Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð¿Ð¾Ñ…Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾Ð½Ð¸Ð¼! and all that, 1056510;1426663985;mircea_popescu;instead of making 25 atomic carriers to the us' dozen, they just made small cheap rockets) 1056511;1426663998;mircea_popescu;thus, they're not bankrupt, and will in fact bury the us. 1056512;1426664022;ben_vulpes;if i can do nothing on my own, i can learn from those who do understand strategy. 1056513;1426664065;mircea_popescu;there's a reason for the yawning geopoliticomilitary chasm centering around pekin, and that cause is that the top brass of the us centcom failed to guess cca 1980. 1056514;1426664080;ben_vulpes;if i understand you correctly, i find myself surrounded by 'me too monkeys'. 1056515;1426664107;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the "there's nothing worse for a good startup than a bad revenue source early on" quip ? 1056516;1426664118;ben_vulpes;sure. relevance here, though? 1056517;1426664128;mircea_popescu;the one thing that'll ruin a bright young mind is success among idiots. 1056518;1426664140;mircea_popescu;elitism has its protective advantages, especially for teh youth. 1056519;1426664148;ben_vulpes;:( 1056520;1426664153;ben_vulpes;well hey i hang out here. 1056521;1426664161;mircea_popescu;not that it's teh panacea or anything 1056522;1426664165;ben_vulpes;hopefully that bears some prophylaxis. 1056523;1426664165;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes lol im sure you'll be fine. 1056524;1426664195;ben_vulpes;/s/bears/conveys 1056525;1426664303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00029141 = 4.1963 BTC [-] 1056526;1426664313;thestringpuller;^whoa 1056527;1426664322;mircea_popescu;wouldja look att hat. 1056528;1426664329;ben_vulpes;dude that is the most cryptic apparent nonsequiter. 1056529;1426664358;ben_vulpes;i'm going to think about it for days, come up with some interpretation, regurgitate it in public to many guffaws 1056530;1426664403;thestringpuller;after screaming at cal3d for 5 hours 1056531;1426664407;thestringpuller;i had to drink myself into a stupor 1056532;1426664418;ben_vulpes;is that a pre-ipo price for mpoe? 1056533;1426664424;thestringpuller;no 1056534;1426664433;thestringpuller;pre owners-share block price tho 1056535;1426664434;mircea_popescu;nah, it ipo'd something like 2-6k 1056536;1426664453;mircea_popescu;yeah that was what, 37 iirc ? 1056537;1426664460;ben_vulpes;ah so btcalpha doesn't have complete history? 1056538;1426664460;thestringpuller;something like that 1056539;1426664463;thestringpuller;no 1056540;1426664470;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/evolution-shuts-up-shop-taking-user-funds-with-it/ 1056541;1426664472;thestringpuller;only kako has dat ;) 1056542;1426664476;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mike_c dude just fork over the coin for a socket from kakobrekla 1056543;1426664476;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1056544;1426664508;mircea_popescu;what was "evolution" ? 1056545;1426664517;mircea_popescu;sounds like an ubuntu torrent client 1056546;1426664554;ben_vulpes;anyways, i'm off. 1056547;1426664571;ben_vulpes;sweet dreams, butt-asses. 1056548;1426664609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140000 @ 0.0002995 = 41.93 BTC [+] {3} 1056549;1426664655;mircea_popescu;cazalla https://blockchain.info/address/1Ps2m56aEudGVKj7ch8mAje4x6bBzGVNgU << the 48k looks more like 1000ish actually there in the past week ? 1056550;1426664657;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1Ps2m56aEudGVKj7ch8mAje4x6bBzGVNgU ... ( http://bit.ly/1BOQthH ) 1056551;1426664698;cazalla;mircea_popescu, who really knows, all rumour and innuendo at this point 1056552;1426664709;mircea_popescu;myeah 1056553;1426664752;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i have great idea for mpex listing. i pretend to own hash power, so i take investor money and pay new investors with it! 1056554;1426664764;thestringpuller;this is what I got from old story 1056555;1426664767;mircea_popescu;no !? 1056556;1426664892;mircea_popescu;"The other model Hariezer lays out is that magic lies on a single recessive gene. He reasons squibs have one dominant, non-magical version, and one recessive magical version of the gene. So of kids born to squibs, 1/4 will be wizards. In this version, you either have magic or you don’t, so if wizards married the non-magical, wizards themselves could become more rare, but the power of wizards won’t be diluted. C 1056557;1426664892;mircea_popescu;all this model 2." 1056558;1426664913;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. i am so sick and tired of this cloying tiresome pedestrian understanding of genetics. 1056559;1426664940;mircea_popescu;the single alele pair model is in the books because fucking peas exhibit it, and because it's easy to teach to biologists, who are people who are bad at basic arithmetics. 1056560;1426664946;thestringpuller;what were those square things called again? 1056561;1426664948;mircea_popescu;irl, most loci have MULTIPLE aleles. 1056562;1426664950;thestringpuller;putin squares? 1056563;1426664967;mircea_popescu;there's places with 30+ genes, of which multiple are dominant. 1056564;1426665053;mircea_popescu;if the gene for being a total fucktard has genes A through P and a through w, where upcase ones are dominant, it may be the case that the AD kid is the geniusest of them all and the BG kid is the total fucking retardest of the lot, way behind ww or ft or whatever the fuck other recessive combo 1056565;1426665087;mircea_popescu;the total possible combinations are 1056566;1426665110;mircea_popescu;;;calc (16 + 23) ** 2 1056567;1426665110;gribble;1521 1056568;1426665139;mircea_popescu;that's 1.5k different types for just that one pair! 1056569;1426665159;mircea_popescu;and it is unlikely but technically possible that you actually require a TRISOMY to get the topmost performance. 1056570;1426665218;mircea_popescu;which may put it in the billions to one odds of happening, which means that we know enough about genetics since the genome has been sequenced to make judgements about on par with the quality of the pseudoscience that gave us "global warming" and "carbon" 1056571;1426665290;mircea_popescu;(trisomy is usually a copy of one or the other gene, but it doesn't actually have to be - it could be a mix of them, which ~could~ be a legitimate new gene, if mindbogglingly improbable) 1056572;1426665408;mircea_popescu;(conversely, it's usually the case that you do require a trisomy or other polysomy to get the actual worst performance available - kids with such genetic defects are almost universally retarded and sterile) 1056573;1426666682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143100 @ 0.00029298 = 41.9254 BTC [-] {2} 1056574;1426667567;chetty;well epigenetics is starting to be explored, but its so politically incorrect no one will talk much about it 1056575;1426668019;mircea_popescu;yet idiots talking about nonsense abound 1056576;1426668024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00029392 = 12.6092 BTC [+] 1056577;1426668939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113200 @ 0.00030619 = 34.6607 BTC [+] {2} 1056578;1426669915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85426 @ 0.0003128 = 26.7213 BTC [+] {2} 1056579;1426669952;funkenstein_;and folks who think intelligence is genetic don't have it 1056580;1426670370;thestringpuller;scoopbot: --fetch 1056581;1426670381;thestringpuller;scoopbot -fetch 1056582;1426670399;thestringpuller;!up Vexual 1056583;1426670784;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/security-as-a-coffin/ 1056584;1426671119;Vexual;epigenetics is like unexplained inheritence? 1056585;1426671442;funkenstein_;could be explained, but not completely or only by the sequence 1056586;1426671464;Vexual;is there a fruitfly experiment or anything? 1056587;1426671515;funkenstein_;the word gets used for stuff like relative position in the organism, protein folding influence 1056588;1426671552;Vexual;thats what im thinking, it's more of a philospohy of effects not described my empirical shit 1056589;1426671586;Vexual;ah ok 1056590;1426671640;funkenstein_;fun word :) 1056591;1426671682;Vexual;yeah 1056592;1426671716;Vexual;what lat you at on this big spiining magnet in space? 1056593;1426671759;funkenstein_;45 N or so 1056594;1426671788;funkenstein_;you? 1056595;1426671844;Vexual;err 15 s? 1056596;1426671904;Vexual;20s? 1056597;1426671919;funkenstein_;sounds nice. seen the LMC recently? 1056598;1426671967;Vexual;lmc? 1056599;1426672012;funkenstein_;large magellanic cloud 1056600;1426672059;Vexual;is it seen with the naked eye? 1056601;1426672094;funkenstein_;sure is. 1056602;1426672108;Vexual;i probably have and didnt know it 1056603;1426672142;funkenstein_;the small one is also visible with the naked eye but you need a darker place for viewing 1056604;1426672342;thestringpuller;dr. funkenstein_ how are you 1056605;1426672350;thestringpuller;you must like funk music with a name like that 1056606;1426672362;thestringpuller;!up Vexual 1056607;1426672391;funkenstein_;morning string puller. you sound like a musician too :) 1056608;1426672418;Adlai;funkenstein_: there's also the initial contents of memory upon powering up the device - ie, the 99.9...% of the egg which is NOT dna 1056609;1426672421;Vexual;yes, i've seen clear nights hundred of kilometers from the nearest campfire 1056610;1426672462;Adlai;similarly to how gut bacteria play a larger role influencing personality than, say, the skin cells on the bottom of the foot - despite only the latter being 'human' 1056611;1426672479;Vexual;and twice the horizons to any light polluting town 1056612;1426672530;thestringpuller;Adlai: only cuz those bacteria make you poop. 1056613;1426672552;thestringpuller;funkenstein_: a little. my nick is reference to the godfather. a terribly good movie. 1056614;1426672561;funkenstein_;Adlai, well put 1056615;1426672565;Vexual;they also make up a larege part of your interface with your environment 1056616;1426672667;Adlai;thestringpuller: for me, you always invoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnKhsTXoKCI 1056617;1426672668;assbot;Metallica-Master Of Puppets (Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAC2jZ ) 1056618;1426672689;thestringpuller;aha when metallica was good 1056619;1426672708;thestringpuller;head DBA at first job was a huge 90's metal guy 1056620;1426672731;thestringpuller;had seen anthrax metallica megadeth and slayer play in same lineup 1056621;1426672774;thestringpuller;i'm much moar experienced with jazz and hip-hop music tho 1056622;1426672787;thestringpuller;aka black people music 1056623;1426672804;Adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC1nBLA8k0I 1056624;1426672806;assbot;TATRAN Live @ Oppikoppi Festival - Anar - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MIQPLN ) 1056625;1426672823;Adlai;ok enough tunespam 1056626;1426673331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83818 @ 0.00030769 = 25.79 BTC [-] 1056627;1426674429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8932 @ 0.00030769 = 2.7483 BTC [-] 1056628;1426675222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143600 @ 0.00030156 = 43.304 BTC [-] {2} 1056629;1426676369;Adlai;!up Vexual 1056630;1426676381;Adlai;tell'em Vexual 1056631;1426676391;Adlai;spread the spell of god 1056632;1426676429;Vexual;u told em already 1056633;1426676903;Adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ2_EsodmEg 1056634;1426676905;assbot;Tatran - Sol the Blue - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2udoB ) 1056635;1426678943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00030032 = 12.3732 BTC [-] {2} 1056636;1426679431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95650 @ 0.00030669 = 29.3349 BTC [+] {3} 1056637;1426679870;funkenstein_;!up DianaComan 1056638;1426679895;funkenstein_;;;ticker 1056639;1426679897;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.56, Best ask: 271.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 271.56, 24 hour volume: 40607.79350542, 24 hour low: 269.09, 24 hour high: 291.48, 24 hour vwap: None 1056640;1426680286;chetty;http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/t4QDOj9uEpyBDI2WTnJy6g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTEwMjQ7aWw9cGxhbmU7cHlvZmY9MDtxPTc1O3c9Njg3/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/Part-DV-DV1990130-1-1-0.jpg 1056641;1426680287;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2DtsA ) 1056642;1426680590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69599 @ 0.00029935 = 20.8345 BTC [-] 1056643;1426680956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228850 @ 0.00029375 = 67.2247 BTC [-] {4} 1056644;1426681871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00028982 = 4.9124 BTC [-] 1056645;1426683701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00028909 = 11.4046 BTC [-] 1056646;1426683823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35362 @ 0.0002895 = 10.2373 BTC [+] 1056647;1426684337;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> because the hot peppers are like lsd + speed << haha yes! I tripped out from eating too much hot sauce once; home made ghost pepper salsa or something 1056648;1426684375;danielpbarron;height=285260 vs height=211953 1056649;1426684636;danielpbarron;https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop 1056650;1426684638;assbot;Librem 15: A Free/Libre Software Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms | Crowd Supply ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYKXpr ) 1056651;1426684659;danielpbarron;anyone, thoughts? probably too good to be true 1056652;1426684919;mike_c;ben_vulpes: I do have complete history, and was the only paying customer of kako's socket when he turned it off. 1056653;1426685166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38305 @ 0.0002895 = 11.0893 BTC [+] 1056654;1426687031;nubbins`;;;later tell mircea_popescu Alare Kool is from Bangladesh! 1056655;1426687031;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1056656;1426687056;nubbins`;oh and you need to "verify" your bitstamp account w/ gov photo id to even deposit btc. fyi. 1056657;1426687415;nubbins`;oh and you cannot change the email address associated with your account w/o contacting support 1056658;1426687416;nubbins`;;p 1056659;1426687666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00028623 = 3.1772 BTC [-] 1056660;1426688030;nubbins`;!up Vexual 1056661;1426688108;nubbins`;http://41.media.tumblr.com/ab3fee3af80e7d21e36cad2340227f33/tumblr_mtcckat5oa1se279mo1_500.jpg 1056662;1426688108;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqPt1U ) 1056663;1426688217;Vexual;ah young jack 1056664;1426688259;Vexual;he he, not bait, but an enviable comparison 1056665;1426688285;nubbins`;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216201/One-pig-perfect-justice-Thug-wore-t-shirt-vile-slogan-just-hours-murders-policewomen-jailed-months.html 1056666;1426688288;assbot;'One less pig: perfect justice': Thug who wore t-shirt with vile slogan just hours after murders of two policewomen is jailed for eight months | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqPVxa ) 1056667;1426688296;nubbins`;Stuart Duke, defending, said Thew had been an in-patient at a mental health unit and was still in prescription of anti-psychotic medicine, but Judge Lakin said his mental health was 'not a contributing factor'. 1056668;1426688304;nubbins`;^ lel. 1056669;1426688367;Vexual;oh theyll shoot you till you're dead then yell at you to take the shirt off 1056670;1426688416;Vexual;you're better off not wearing inflamatory tshirts 1056671;1426688674;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh6Qla-OQ-M 1056672;1426688915;Vexual;you print on kevlar belends? 1056673;1426688993;Vexual;"aim for the head asshole" 1056674;1426689109;nubbins`;no kevlar 1056675;1426689139;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXUkP_Gyo-0 3 piece 1056676;1426689236;Vexual;thats guitar business 1056677;1426689282;Vexual;the base player might have done the ssame 1056678;1426689436;nubbins`;http://rt.com/usa/241325-obama-isis-iraq-bush/ 1056679;1426689436;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqST4H ) 1056680;1426689442;nubbins`;no kidding 1056681;1426689557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10533 @ 0.0002895 = 3.0493 BTC [+] 1056682;1426690472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176900 @ 0.00029181 = 51.6212 BTC [+] {2} 1056683;1426690716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67100 @ 0.00028956 = 19.4295 BTC [-] {2} 1056684;1426691448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222400 @ 0.00028552 = 63.4996 BTC [-] {3} 1056685;1426691936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133750 @ 0.00029198 = 39.0523 BTC [+] 1056686;1426693238;funkenstein_;perhaps a good day to link this blog http://wtfevolution.tumblr.com/ 1056687;1426693240;assbot;WTF, Evolution?! ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZCMil ) 1056688;1426693418;danielpbarron;yet another way to deny God: call Him "evolution" 1056689;1426693583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00028506 = 9.5495 BTC [-] 1056690;1426693752;nubbins`;... 1056691;1426693774;nubbins`;yet another way to jack yourself off with self-importance: refer to "god" as a person 1056692;1426693784;funkenstein_;not sure renaming is denying? 1056693;1426693834;nubbins`;not sure if srs or trolling 1056694;1426693844;nubbins`;sneaking suspicion that srs 1056695;1426694032;funkenstein_;i'm sure She won't mind 1056696;1426694083;funkenstein_;nubbins it's just that you aren't used to romantic languages 1056697;1426694101;nubbins`;expound, please 1056698;1426694111;funkenstein_;even in german you use personal pronouns for most everything 1056699;1426694203;nubbins`;sure. not uncommon in english. 1056700;1426694639;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1056701;1426694681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130800 @ 0.00029525 = 38.6187 BTC [+] {3} 1056702;1426694692;danielpbarron;nubbins`, the blog personifies evolution 1056703;1426694745;danielpbarron;the author created fictional naratives between a person "evoltion" and an astonished inquisitor 1056704;1426695253;nubbins`;no way 1056705;1426695309;nubbins`;sounds like you hold an opinion as to the nature of your god; would be interested to hear 1056706;1426695462;danielpbarron;http://www.atruechurch.info/lordisaman.html 1056707;1426695463;assbot;A True Church - The Lord Is A Man ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUQ2nj ) 1056708;1426695484;danielpbarron;Contrary to popular opinion within the false Christian world (2 Timothy 3:1-5 & 4:3), God is a Man, as Exodus 15:3 plainly declares. Not corruptible (Romans 1:23; 1 Corinthians 15:50), not created (Psalm 90:2), not a man who progressed and "achieved his exalted rank" as Mormons teach (see the report on Mormonism). But nonetheless, the Lord is a Man. He is a Man of war. 1056709;1426695550;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, others from last night's thread: http://lasec.epfl.ch/keyboard << oldie re: keyboard rf. 1056710;1426695551;assbot;Compromising Electromagnetic Emanations of Wired and Wireless Keyboards - Martin Vuagnoux and Sylvain Pasini ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUQr9w ) 1056711;1426696267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.0002855 = 16.2592 BTC [-] {2} 1056712;1426696274;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu: interesting tidbit from the vuagnoux & pasini paper (section 5.5) - the second-keyboard-as-jammer thing doesn't really work. 1056713;1426696274;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1056714;1426696347;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu: nor is a conventional jammer practical, because pressing keys results in shift of frequency of harmonics. this appears to be one of those cases where not shitting on the floor is considerably easier than mopping it up... 1056715;1426696348;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1056716;1426697792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147700 @ 0.00028463 = 42.0399 BTC [-] {2} 1056717;1426698056;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why doesn't it really work again ? 1056718;1426698289;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller nice one. 1056719;1426698298;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if asking about the 'second kbd controller as jammer' - the small physical differences (esp. in the quartz oscillator) add up to a distinguishable 'fingerprint' which lets enemy pull a particular kbd signal out of a room full of'em 1056720;1426698357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if about hypothetical purpose-built jammer - keyboard scan matrix in particular is a moving target, as the frequency of the telltale signal will vary considerably depending on which key(s) are pressed 1056721;1426698419;mircea_popescu;i was simply thinking a 2nd kbd with a rng tied to it closing circuits. 1056722;1426698423;asciilifeform;aha 1056723;1426698427;asciilifeform;that was my thought 1056724;1426698435;mircea_popescu;but re-reading, you actually mean the mechanical keyboard pressing is the source 1056725;1426698448;asciilifeform;the closing of the matrix circuits 1056726;1426698456;asciilifeform;so yes 1056727;1426698467;mircea_popescu;well...maybe ? 1056728;1426698510;chetty;so wrap you kbd in a faraday cage? 1056729;1426698515;asciilifeform;(and it is also interesting to think about what actually happens on the mechanical contacts. 'key bounce' is not only an annoyance for engineers, but a gift to radiodiddlers, as each spring - and rubber domes not excepted - has characteristic wear) 1056730;1426698518;mircea_popescu;who knew that ipad style on-screen kbds will actually have at least one advantage ? 1056731;1426698522;mircea_popescu;unwieldy as theyare. 1056732;1426698524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00028979 = 1.7387 BTC [+] 1056733;1426698554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: those can be 'heard' for considerable distances by intercepting lcd feed 1056734;1426698578;mircea_popescu;yes, but "shield the screen" vs "shield the screen and shield the keyboard" 1056735;1426698647;asciilifeform;i looked into keyboards made of optical fibres, and found none in commercial circulation. looked if anyone has admitted to experimenting with such, and found no credible data - but, interestingly, folks have built mice on this principle, for use inside mri scanners. 1056736;1426698702;asciilifeform;(mice are easy - just pipe picture from the business end of standard optical mouse, hollowed out, into a remote cabinet to which its guts have been moved) 1056737;1426698769;asciilifeform;shielding even a screen is nontrivial. 1056738;1426699249;asciilifeform;http://www.cs.gmu.edu/~zduric/cs803/Simmons.pdf << unrelated but interesting from historical standpoint re: usg and practical use of rsa 1056739;1426699251;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ew3JsA ) 1056740;1426699881;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was thinking btw, faraday cage is essentially a passive radiator element. what if made active ? 1056741;1426699891;mircea_popescu;make a sort of cyclotron in your living room, all electrons end up on the plate. 1056742;1426700089;chetty;ouch, worse than having a fan run while you sleep 1056743;1426700092;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's forget optical fibres for a second and consider this : on a standard keyboard, making a spoke portrude from each key so that from a width-long perspective each spoke is separated by any other is trivial mechanically. lighting one width and sticking a camera on the other width then resolves the problem, 1056744;1426700098;mircea_popescu;you now have optical keypress 1056745;1426700116;mircea_popescu;chetty i guess so does all your dust plus the cats, huh 1056746;1426700517;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: faraday cage is not (if correctly constructed) a radiating element at all 1056747;1426700551;mircea_popescu;hence passive. it is still a radiator in my theoretical view of things, because it COULD 1056748;1426700647;mircea_popescu;anyway, make mesh of two wires, so that on each hole you have at least one spot of wire at - potential and one spot at + potential. then the size of the hole and the intensity of the emission tell you how much potential you need in the cage. 1056749;1426700664;mircea_popescu;for an arbitrary % of electron escape 1056750;1426700674;asciilifeform;photon 1056751;1426700690;mircea_popescu;particle. 1056752;1426700711;mircea_popescu;hm. 1056753;1426700714;mircea_popescu;dangit 1056754;1426701009;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: spoke portrude from each key << manual typewriter. invitation for acoustic snoopery. (and camera - radiates.) 1056755;1426701084;chetty;dont forget the tin hat 1056756;1426701110;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the spoke doesn't touch anything 1056757;1426701121;mircea_popescu;just goes down a quarter inch or w/e,. into the air. 1056758;1426701123;asciilifeform;the 'tin hat' was always especially funny to folks who actually know a little physics, because parabolic antenna focused on brain. 1056759;1426701135;mircea_popescu;well amygdalla, but yeah 1056760;1426701140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: into air, sure. and it vibrates. and no two spykes same length 1056761;1426701148;mircea_popescu;oh.come.on. 1056762;1426701159;mircea_popescu;is this your ploy to make me invent thought typing for you ? 1056763;1426701163;asciilifeform;l0l 1056764;1426701166;mircea_popescu;:) 1056765;1426701200;asciilifeform;gedankenexperiment to wake folks up that keyboard for secure work ought to be 1) yes, mechanical 2) physically smallest that one can abide 1056766;1426701207;chetty;well you can start with something like dragon speak and improves it :) 1056767;1426701212;asciilifeform;ugh speaking 1056768;1426701214;asciilifeform;fuck speaking 1056769;1426701280;asciilifeform;and yes, ultimate kbd ought to be something you can use with your hands in a sack (of conductive cloth naturally.) 1056770;1426701324;mircea_popescu;!up GlobalSolutions 1056771;1426701330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85700 @ 0.0002898 = 24.8359 BTC [+] {2} 1056772;1426701338;GlobalSolutions;Its ok, I can type 1056773;1426701351;GlobalSolutions;Just here to learn... 1056774;1426701356;mircea_popescu;!down GlobalSolutions 1056775;1426701358;mircea_popescu;kay. 1056776;1426701443;*;asciilifeform picking self up from floor after http://www.umdrightnow.umd.edu/news/important-statement-president-wallace-loh 1056777;1426701444;assbot;An Important Statement from President Wallace Loh | UMD Right Now :: University of Maryland ... ( http://bit.ly/1xynMSm ) 1056778;1426701522;mircea_popescu;"the Office of Civil Rights and Sexual Misconduct" 1056779;1426701524;mircea_popescu;wait. what ?! 1056780;1426701544;asciilifeform;part ii: http://www.president.umd.edu/statements/campus_message031715.cfm 1056781;1426701545;assbot;Office of the President, University of Maryland ... ( http://bit.ly/1xyo9Mx ) 1056782;1426701551;mircea_popescu;"The University of Maryland remains committed to our core values of respect for human dignity, diversity, and inclusiveness." 1056783;1426701564;mircea_popescu;the university of maryland is a fraud. those can't be the core values of an university. 1056784;1426701564;chetty;got to love that freedom of speech right 1056785;1426701645;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: american universities got cancer long ago ('60s) but now there is scarcely one detectable cell from the original patient at all, only tumour. 1056786;1426701660;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1056787;1426701704;asciilifeform;there was perhaps a few shredded flaps of still-chromosomally-passable tissue when i was a student there, a decade ago. 1056788;1426701705;mircea_popescu;such nonsense tho. "our police department remains comitted to our core values of donuts and shooting the nigger" 1056789;1426701729;mircea_popescu;"hey, that's exactly what should NOT be a value of yours, core or no core" 1056790;1426701768;mircea_popescu;an university is by definition dedicated to exclusiveness. 1056791;1426701805;mircea_popescu;it exists so as to exclude the scum so people who can think can do so, and young people who could one day think can come there to be away from their idiot families, small towns and government. 1056792;1426701871;mircea_popescu;and as a side note, that's how probation came to be : originally clerics (ie, university students y compris) could claim eclesiastic jurisdiction before they lay court, and be taken before their rector to be judged there. 1056793;1426701885;mircea_popescu;it was quickly limited to a "first offense only" thing 1056794;1426701898;mircea_popescu;and it survived to this day 1056795;1426701959;mircea_popescu;it is incidentally the model upon which i see the most serene republic coming to an agreement with the obsolete "states" : bitcoiners are outside of lay jurisdiction, and to be judged by bitcoin court. 1056796;1426702021;asciilifeform;the latest lulz from umd almost beats the noose incident. 1056797;1426702072;asciilifeform;(5 or so yrs ago, there was 'mass indignation', hastily-cooked mea culpas from virtually all organizations in any way connected with the campus, demonstrations 'of support' for 'the victims' - after a shred of rope was allegedly found hanging on a tree branch.) 1056798;1426702136;asciilifeform;http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3580350 1056799;1426702138;assbot;Campus Noose Sparks Hate Crime Probe - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xypSBI ) 1056800;1426702181;asciilifeform;iirc it ended with something like a confession from whoever saw it that 'noose' was no noose at all, but a piece of garbage the wind carried 1056801;1426702187;mircea_popescu;lol 1056802;1426702193;asciilifeform;and the idiot parade quietly vanished 1056803;1426702428;mircea_popescu;without anyone ever saying they were wrong, or stupid. 1056804;1426702439;mircea_popescu;because they can't be wrong, or stupid, because they're smart and special. 1056805;1426702442;asciilifeform;no prizes for guessing this. 1056806;1426702448;mircea_popescu;perfect reason to actually hang them. 1056807;1426702451;asciilifeform;!s sistine chapel ceiling 1056808;1426702452;assbot;1 results for 'sistine chapel ceiling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sistine+chapel+ceiling 1056809;1426702456;mircea_popescu;heh 1056810;1426702489;asciilifeform;or more pertinent example, the fabricated mega-gang-rapes of recent history 1056811;1426702561;asciilifeform;'sympathy', 'support', esp. of the usg-sponsored very tangible/financial variety is on tap, no questions asked. imagine if insurance worked this way - how many houses would still remain standing ? 1056812;1426702664;asciilifeform;the mechanism in question actually -needs- exercise once in a while, or rusts. hence the increasingly lulzy faux mega-outrages and their regularity 1056813;1426702703;asciilifeform;(thoughtcrimey email, from one drunken student to another, 15 months ago !?!) 1056814;1426702757;asciilifeform;'On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, the University of Maryland became aware of an email dated January 2014, 15 months ago. The vulgar language in the email expresses views that are reprehensible to our campus community. We immediately met with the individual involved and a University investigation is currently underway, led by the Office of Civil Rights and Sexual Misconduct. We are in contact with the University chapter of Kappa Sig 1056815;1426702757;asciilifeform;ma and they have taken swift and decisive action in this matter. At their request, the University has committed to provide educational training on diversity and respect for the entire fraternity. The University of Maryland remains committed to our core values of respect for human dignity, diversity, and inclusiveness. We are deeply saddened by the impact this email is having on our community.' 1056816;1426702763;asciilifeform;^ copied here for the record 1056817;1426702777;asciilifeform;because the morons think they can magic their own spew away when it turns embarrassing. 1056818;1426703260;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: nice what? article? lol 1056819;1426703295;mircea_popescu;yes., 1056820;1426704075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103150 @ 0.00029145 = 30.0631 BTC [+] {2} 1056821;1426704563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.0002891 = 7.4299 BTC [-] 1056822;1426704624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124679 @ 0.00028653 = 35.7243 BTC [-] 1056823;1426704740;mats;it falls 1056824;1426705026;danielpbarron;!up coinking 1056825;1426705112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111246 @ 0.00028653 = 31.8753 BTC [-] 1056826;1426705136;coinking;Hey guys, any BitBet mods around? 1056827;1426705159;mats;http://www.catb.org/esr/structure-packing 1056828;1426705160;assbot;The Lost Art of C Structure Packing ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBuXjr ) 1056829;1426705180;asciilifeform;mats: lost!?! l0l! 1056830;1426705200;mats;esr sez so 1056831;1426705216;asciilifeform;mats: incidentally, precise packings are not achievable without gcc pragma (or your compiler's equivalent) 1056832;1426705232;asciilifeform;on of the 1,001 ways in which 'c' specification is a sad joke. 1056833;1426705269;asciilifeform;and it is entirely non-negotiable if you're dealing with a hardware register where the bits have to fall -just so- 1056834;1426705303;asciilifeform;or even if you're writing something as mundane as a disassembler. 1056835;1426705356;asciilifeform;(you can achieve the desired layout with bitshifts and logic ops, and end up introducing hidden platform dependencies - endian and wordsize) 1056836;1426705478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134700 @ 0.00029236 = 39.3809 BTC [+] 1056837;1426705914;danielpbarron;http://gfy.com/20417496-post6.html 1056838;1426705915;assbot;GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum - View Single Post - For Sale Virtual Credit Cards (VCC) - Many Denominations - Instant Delivery - US & INTL Billing AVS ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBxvOr ) 1056839;1426705939;danielpbarron;re: the GlobalSolutions guy ^ 1056840;1426705957;mike_c;coinking: better to just ask your question. 1056841;1426706036;coinking;ok cool, sure. I wanted to inquire about Content Management for BitBet - and if there was a want for Social Media Marketing & Management 1056842;1426706168;kakobrekla;you want to promote bitbet? 1056843;1426706210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34729 @ 0.00028653 = 9.9509 BTC [-] 1056844;1426706285;coinking;yeah, looking to offer my services to the twitter page 1056845;1426706305;coinking;or any other social sites 1056846;1426706355;nubbins`;bitbet has a twitter page? 1056847;1426706372;coinking;I found one that was pretty inactive 1056848;1426706382;danielpbarron;what are you talking about inactive? 1056849;1426706390;danielpbarron;the thing tweets daily if not hourly 1056850;1426706393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81609 @ 0.00029236 = 23.8592 BTC [+] 1056851;1426706413;coinking;oh maybe I was looking at a different one 1056852;1426706467;danielpbarron;there are two; one tweets new bets and the other tweets individual bids on them 1056853;1426706477;nubbins`;oh look 1056854;1426706482;nubbins`;@BitBets and @BitBetsBets 1056855;1426706489;coinking;there's always room for improvements :) 1056856;1426706511;mike_c;coinking: they have an affiliate program if you want to do promotion. 1056857;1426706528;coinking;cool, I'll check it out 1056858;1426706557;mike_c;https://bitbet.us/faq/#43 1056859;1426706558;assbot;FAQ BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBzLVV ) 1056860;1426706561;kakobrekla;well here is the thing, i am not paying a flat fee to someone to derp around on btc-poor social sites to gather 'likes', 'digs', 'twits' and 'impressions' which do not bring in bettors. but if you actually can bring in people with btc, use affiliate program to collect your reward. 1056861;1426706792;coinking;I have a lot of good contact within crypto and have current and past clients as references. It's about perspective, the leads I bring as crypto enthusiasts yet building your social pages is never a bad move. It just depends on how much you think it's worth. It think long term it is something important in a business and has a direct impact on the bu 1056862;1426706793;coinking;siness as a whole 1056863;1426706842;kakobrekla;;;gettrust coinking 1056864;1426706843;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user coinking: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=coinking | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=coinking | Rated since: never 1056865;1426706854;kakobrekla;aha. 1056866;1426706939;asciilifeform;obligatory ^ http://oglaf.com/delusionist 1056867;1426706940;assbot;Delusionist ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBB3jX ) 1056868;1426707017;mats;fun fact: zeroing a file in windows may actually leave the contents on the disk intact. 1056869;1426707107;asciilifeform;zeroing a file anywhere you don't have direct access to the blocks may leave the contents on the disk 1056870;1426707114;asciilifeform;and btw this includes all modern hdd. 1056871;1426707140;mats;fun fact: the UIPI clipboard format whitelist is permissive enough to allow for exploitation of particular programs on 7 and 8. 1056872;1426707203;kakobrekla;!up coinking 1056873;1426707208;mats;additionally, MS has indicated several times that 'UAC' is not actually a security boundary 1056874;1426707209;kakobrekla;anyway, get in the wot why dont you 1056875;1426707250;asciilifeform;mats: on top of that is the mega-lol where winblows uac is the only usg-blessed 'security boundary' mechanism... 1056876;1426707256;coinking;wot? 1056877;1426707275;danielpbarron;!h 1056878;1426707275;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1056879;1426707296;mats;so you can e.g. abuse auto-elevation behavior in COM (win7, 8) and use a save file dialog in paint as an elevated iexplore 1056880;1426707321;asciilifeform;aha 1056881;1426707327;mats;MS knows, says: feature 1056882;1426707334;*;asciilifeform searches #b-a log for the discussion of this, for some reason cannot find 1056883;1426707343;asciilifeform;pheature! 1056884;1426707415;coinking;how do I enter? 1056885;1426707492;danielpbarron;coinking, do you know how to GPG? 1056886;1426707501;coinking;no I don't 1056887;1426707515;mats;another fun fact: you can physically damage XP installations via ACPI parsing and NtSystemDebugControl, entirely in usermode 1056888;1426707588;danielpbarron;coinking, http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/ 1056889;1426707591;assbot;Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBDe71 ) 1056890;1426707633;coinking;we can't just have a private convo on here? 1056891;1426707661;danielpbarron;GPG is for proving who you are between sessions 1056892;1426707693;coinking;ah ok 1056893;1426707897;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: yes., << well ty. 1056894;1426707944;coinking;so is it only for mac? 1056895;1426707966;danielpbarron;no 1056896;1426708479;mircea_popescu; because the morons think they can magic their own spew away when it turns embarrassing. << b-a logs will become the most interesting resource in not many years. 1056897;1426708547;mircea_popescu;coinking social what ? 1056898;1426708551;mircea_popescu;!up coinking 1056899;1426708631;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-03-2015#1054130 1056900;1426708631;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2015 17:06:07; nubbins`: log would make a worthy tome, if one were able to sieve it first 1056901;1426708641;mircea_popescu;quite. 1056902;1426708655;mircea_popescu;well... get some teeny girlies on it. 1056903;1426708668;mircea_popescu;that's the traditional socioeconomic use for fillies in human societies. 1056904;1426709077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00029513 = 8.426 BTC [+] {2} 1056905;1426709171;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/ 1056906;1426709202;coinking;Social media management, that's what I was inquiring about 1056907;1426709246;coinking;I'm not sure who is directly involved in this project so I'll just me sending an email 1056908;1426709980;kakobrekla;if you are going to write to @bitbet.us , i will be reading it 1056909;1426710244;coinking;cool, should be there. It's trickier to chat about it through IRC so you will see from my email my personal details. 1056910;1426710417;chetty; Social media management//omg has it really come to that? 1056911;1426710986;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1Y8PNX2.txt << mega-interesting 1056912;1426710987;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBcTXg ) 1056913;1426711039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the scope traces show a working rng, even. 1056914;1426711082;asciilifeform;i did notice weird side terminals on the caps, thought it was a manufacturing artifact. 1056915;1426711100;asciilifeform;plainly visible in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/fuckkuppy.jpg 1056916;1426711104;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBd7O2 ) 1056917;1426711113;asciilifeform;(see upper left hand corner of photo, for instance) 1056918;1426711130;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 1056919;1426711131;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 265.44, Best ask: 265.63, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 265.64, 24 hour volume: 64508.08782313, 24 hour low: 263.01, 24 hour high: 288.3, 24 hour vwap: None 1056920;1426711454;mircea_popescu;!up vorandrew 1056921;1426711563;mike_c;so normal fuckup then, not even massively incompetent. 1056922;1426711595;mike_c;it's nice that they figured it out. 1056923;1426711608;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha! i wonder what the bug would have been 1056924;1426711649;mircea_popescu;oh it's explained. 1056925;1426711665;mircea_popescu;they have that massive an infrastructure that they cache the application !? 1056926;1426711704;vorandrew;Does anybody know who is trading BTC difficulty CFD/Futures? 1056927;1426711718;mircea_popescu;!gettrust vorandrew 1056928;1426711721;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user vorandrew: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/vorandrew | http://w.b-a.link/user/vorandrew 1056929;1426711733;mircea_popescu;nobody trades anything with people without a wot. 1056930;1426711751;vorandrew;working on it 1056931;1426711802;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, most public-facing diff futures seems to happen on bitbet. 1056932;1426711827;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ sort of thing 1056933;1426711828;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 :: 1750.25 B (93%) on Yes, 136.67 B (7%) on No | closed 1 year 1 month ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYTsoX ) 1056934;1426712737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56318 @ 0.00029521 = 16.6256 BTC [+] 1056935;1426712874;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is this factually true, that you had the wrong part in there for a while, then switched it out to the right part and ordered immediately ? 1056936;1426712936;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i switched through a number of offered substitute parts, one of which may well have been this inductor-capacitor combo (erroneously offered as circuit-equivalent) 1056937;1426712946;mircea_popescu;aha 1056938;1426713023;BingoBoingo;So, once you finalize a thing in their webapp you gotta sit on the page for a couple hours just to make sure the cache is sync'd or... 1056939;1426713060;mircea_popescu;well hopefully they fixed it. 1056940;1426713072;mircea_popescu;so let me ask you this composite question : 1056941;1426713129;mircea_popescu;if the world was working as it did before computers, ascii would have been one of the few people with pen and paper, and wrote a description to one of the few people who made what he needed, and by virtue of that fewness they'd have actually been friends. the letter took a week to get there, the work took a week to be done, and so a month later alf has his peas or w/e he's needing for alchemy. 1056942;1426713144;mircea_popescu;as the work works now, software makes everything much easier and faster. errors especially. 1056943;1426713152;mircea_popescu;as a result... a month later alf does not have his peas. 1056944;1426713158;mircea_popescu;please to progress on the dotted line. 1056945;1426713164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122200 @ 0.00029346 = 35.8608 BTC [-] 1056946;1426713168;asciilifeform;pr0gre55!1111!11 1056947;1426713236;mircea_popescu;"it takes us a second to do things that took a lifetime before - and they come with the guarantee of being something else entirely!" 1056948;1426713264;mircea_popescu;it's easy, and fun. 1056949;1426713280;asciilifeform;but if playing that gedanken-game fairly, possibly the 'progress' is in my being able to get things at all without serious moneys 1056950;1426713292;mircea_popescu;depends how marginal you are. 1056951;1426713297;*;asciilifeform is pretty marginal 1056952;1426713311;mircea_popescu;if you're in the 1% that did then as it does now, the fact that there's a further aspirational 19% added to the pot does not help you 1056953;1426713318;mircea_popescu;hopefully does also not hinder you, although... 1056954;1426713355;asciilifeform;probably hanging from somewhere in that 19th, like that schmuck swinging from the last chopper out of saigon 1056955;1426713370;mircea_popescu;how would we find this out ? 1056956;1426713377;asciilifeform;idk just pulled from arse 1056957;1426713389;asciilifeform;subjective perception. 1056958;1426713400;mircea_popescu;no, i know. the problem with gedanken experiments is that they necessarily won't fit the reality 1056959;1426713408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00029171 = 10.1515 BTC [-] {2} 1056960;1426713408;asciilifeform;based on rough eyeball of the kind of things can and cannot afford 1056961;1426713410;mircea_popescu;sort-of like the stair of no return, once you left you can't walk back 1056962;1426713582;asciilifeform;see, if i were the kind of fella who has money, would not have been having any of the problem described in this tale. would have either seen the boards made within a week (actual business relationship with factory, sleep ad libitum and fly in to supervise in person with own eyes) or would have a legit conveyor with requisite machinery in-house, and same 1056963;1426713644;mircea_popescu;it's not a simple matter of money, as money's not invariant over the cases we discuss. 1056964;1426713679;asciilifeform;'money' in the allocator sense (see old mircea_popescu thread about subsistence vs capital-allocator) 1056965;1426713688;asciilifeform;or the 'percent of pie' sense discussed in possibly same thread 1056966;1426713706;mircea_popescu;but you don't need that. you merely need to be deemed by a major capital allocator worthy of the allocation. 1056967;1426713755;mircea_popescu;the us congress does not particularly think loyd austin of the army is very smart, 1056968;1426713770;mircea_popescu;nor are the billions being spent his own personal pocket money he could buy icecream with otherwise. 1056969;1426713829;asciilifeform;well yes. that is normally how it works. 1056970;1426713865;mircea_popescu;also throws a monkey wrench in our guesswork. 1056971;1426713879;mircea_popescu;where's that oglaf 1056972;1426713894;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/labyrinth/ 1056973;1426713895;assbot;Labyrinth ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvUcIS ) 1056974;1426713954;asciilifeform;this is why i always say that victory is far, that 'we' are small and 'they' are - stupid, yes - but gigantic. the entire s.nsa ipo would not have bought a proper pick'n'placer, not even talking about real estate to house it in a place which i could economically get to, etc. 1056975;1426713961;asciilifeform;and this was at 'peak btc-usd' to date 1056976;1426713970;asciilifeform;deliberately using the goxbubble numbers 1056977;1426713995;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1056978;1426714015;mircea_popescu;so we are small and they are tinier still and the world's immense. 1056979;1426714017;mircea_popescu;which... yeah. 1056980;1426714050;asciilifeform;'they', for instance, don't have to split attention between N day jobs 1056981;1426714088;asciilifeform;or ask around, futile, whether a hosting co. or manufacturing house somewhere might agree to take a little btc business 1056982;1426714110;mircea_popescu;right. they just win wars in afghanistan. 1056983;1426714112;asciilifeform;l0l 1056984;1426714135;chetty;well if it was easy everybody would do it ;) 1056985;1426714143;asciilifeform;'they' make $maxint by sending cartloads of meat to get liquified in afghan, and the like 1056986;1426714188;mircea_popescu;i know a little girl who is a princess. 1056987;1426714192;mircea_popescu;bout the same thing. 1056988;1426714202;mircea_popescu;she makes $maxint diamonds by flying unicorns around. 1056989;1426714241;mike_c;this still seems promising to me. so new little shop had a bug in their order form. doesn't make them useless. 1056990;1426714250;asciilifeform;mike_c: didn't say 'useless' 1056991;1426714261;asciilifeform;mike_c: if the thing shows up on fri., and works to spec, then useful, sure 1056992;1426714268;asciilifeform;mike_c: but i'm still empty-handed for C-III 1056993;1426714274;mike_c;yeah. debugging is nice, delivering is better. 1056994;1426714293;mike_c;not empty-handed if they deliver though, right? 1056995;1426714314;asciilifeform;mike_c: did you actually think the rng was the cargo? rng was exhibited at C-II 1056996;1426714323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00029562 = 21.462 BTC [+] {2} 1056997;1426714353;mike_c;i didn't actually think I knew all the details. so schedule for getting it by c3 is blown? 1056998;1426714362;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so tell them that you want them to rush the 2nd joib as much as humanly possible and fly it over. 1056999;1426714385;mircea_popescu;and don't wait for the boards to show up to put the 2nd job order in, either. 1057000;1426714397;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was thinking of doing this. 1057001;1426714412;mircea_popescu;yeah. not enough $ at risk to be that cautious. 1057002;1426714468;asciilifeform;mike_c: understand, i cannot blame this particular vendor for the overall pace of the work - only self. (in particular, i am not clever enough to escape from having a fairly intense day job) 1057003;1426714500;mircea_popescu;yeah, you are a very very bad man. 1057004;1426714516;asciilifeform;mike_c: the tale with the board house was simply a case of 'wunderwaffen' that did not fire to spec 1057005;1426714516;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN29X2HCKpU 1057006;1426714518;assbot;Bad Man Montage - Babu from Seinfeld - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18IZajs ) 1057007;1426714540;mike_c;i'm not interested in blaming anyone. but if these guys can speed up the schedule, let's keep them working. 1057008;1426714564;mike_c;all the better if they feel they fked up and need to do better on next round. 1057009;1426714569;asciilifeform;mike_c: aha 1057010;1426714617;asciilifeform;mike_c: the other half of that thread was that i had serious doubts re: whether the service offered by mf inc. was actually economically possible as described, and ergo i might be a chump 1057011;1426714653;mike_c;yeah. seems like it might be legit so far. 1057012;1426714685;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform corporate moneyz, what do you care. 1057013;1426714789;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cared because 'if you don't know precisely who at the table is the chump...' 1057014;1426714798;mircea_popescu;hehe. 1057015;1426714806;mircea_popescu;anyway, srsly, it's a reaosnable attempt, go for it. 1057016;1426715509;ben_vulpes;why is it crashing 1057017;1426715540;ben_vulpes;ooh here's a fancy 1057018;1426715550;ben_vulpes;http://www.blackrockblog.com/blackrock-sovereign-risk-indicator/ << via holtzy 1057019;1426715551;assbot;BlackRock Sovereign Risk Indicator | BlackRock Blog | Global Market Intelligence ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZ2FU ) 1057020;1426715565;ben_vulpes;( http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/03/sovereign-risk-indicator/ , for posterity) 1057021;1426715566;assbot;Sovereign Risk Indicator | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZ94m ) 1057022;1426715604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00029579 = 11.0182 BTC [+] 1057023;1426715787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172300 @ 0.00029586 = 50.9767 BTC [+] {2} 1057024;1426716001;ben_vulpes;dude argentina has a negative willingness to pay? 1057025;1426716004;ben_vulpes;what bullshit is this. 1057026;1426716135;mircea_popescu;it does. 1057027;1426716213;ben_vulpes;clearly i don't understand the term of art. 1057028;1426716244;ben_vulpes;i was thinking of the money sitting in NY, intended for bondholders. 1057029;1426716275;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2015#1056654 << that's the correct name, how did you know ? got the same ? 1057030;1426716275;assbot;Logged on 18-03-2015 13:57:11; nubbins`: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Alare Kool is from Bangladesh! 1057031;1426716288;mats;http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/18/investing/federal-reserve-rate-announcement/index.html 1057032;1426716289;assbot;Fed removes 'patient': Prepare for an interest rate hike - Mar. 18, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lw1exg ) 1057033;1426716308;mircea_popescu;check it out, fed's reading the logs. 1057034;1426716340;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes saying they're behaving like a forumite scammer is being generous. 1057035;1426716356;mats;i thought the same thing 1057036;1426716374;ben_vulpes;we're both retarded, mats. 1057037;1426716402;ben_vulpes;i must not be reading anything closely enough today. 1057038;1426716413;mircea_popescu;"Thew, of Radcliffe, Greater Manchester, admitted a Section 4A Public Order Offence (displaying writing or other visible representation with intention of causing harassment, alarm or distress) and was sentenced at Minshull Street Crown Court today." 1057039;1426716422;mircea_popescu;check out the uk lmao. 1057040;1426716427;mircea_popescu;!up lsaul 1057041;1426716440;mircea_popescu;"hurting people's feelings", a "section 4a public order offence" 1057042;1426716448;ben_vulpes;last few lines of that article suggest there was a parole violation involved. 1057043;1426716503;mats;ben_vulpes: i was responding to mircea_popescu there 1057044;1426716515;ben_vulpes;i'm the idiot today 1057045;1426716518;ben_vulpes;!down ben_vulpes 1057046;1426716523;mircea_popescu;'To mock or joke about the tragic events of that morning is morally reprehensible and Thew has rightly been convicted and sentenced for his actions. 1057047;1426716524;mircea_popescu;da fuck. 1057048;1426716540;mircea_popescu;speech can not be morally reprehensible for crying out loud. 1057049;1426716544;mircea_popescu;morals apply to actions. 1057050;1426716641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42950 @ 0.00029565 = 12.6982 BTC [-] 1057051;1426716894;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/18/university-went-bankrupt-amid-tighter-federal-scrutiny-looks-collect-money-former << Edu lol 1057052;1426716897;assbot;University that went bankrupt amid tighter federal scrutiny looks to collect money from former students @insidehighered ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lw2Wi7 ) 1057053;1426716999;mircea_popescu;http://wtfevolution.tumblr.com/post/100079923190/i-think-im-kind-of-over-heads-youre-over << great lol 1057054;1426717000;assbot;WTF, Evolution?! • "I think I’m kind of over heads." "You’re ‘over’... ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lw3bKa ) 1057055;1426717068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00029588 = 12.3678 BTC [+] 1057056;1426717082;mircea_popescu;"The closure of a college often leaves students in limbo. Without being able to finish a degree, students must scramble to transfer and to figure out how to deal with the debt they have racked up." 1057057;1426717091;mircea_popescu;wait, someone actually pays a college that doesn't complete the program ? 1057058;1426717110;mircea_popescu;what's next, someone brings you half a hambuger and you pay half the price forone ? 1057059;1426717136;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1057060;1426717207;BingoBoingo;College closed, but perviously had been faking Federal loans, nao wants the money back even though its closed. 1057061;1426717224;mircea_popescu;"Mid-Continent, which first opened in 1949 but received federal student aid only for the past decade or so, caught the attention of regulators at the Education Department in 2011, according to documents obtained by Inside Higher Ed." 1057062;1426717229;mircea_popescu;talk about embrace and extinguish. 1057063;1426717253;asciilifeform;they, of course, would say 'we busted a sc4mz0r' 1057064;1426717275;ben_vulpes;fwiw, the class is the unit of purchase at us scamversity 1057065;1426717288;mircea_popescu;“It’s not to say that we didn’t have the right information but the problem was being able to produce it quickly and produce it” in the format that the department wanted, Walker said. 1057066;1426717313;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: where i went it was the 'credit-hour' 1057067;1426717313;mircea_popescu;i guess they didn;t teach perl. 1057068;1426717424;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo check it out btw, no fudstorm ensued. 1057069;1426717447;BingoBoingo;Seriously am surprised 1057070;1426717495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00029588 = 4.3198 BTC [+] 1057071;1426717613;mircea_popescu;some signatures better than others. 1057072;1426717983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00029678 = 14.9874 BTC [+] {2} 1057073;1426718019;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo3gaaNsQJ1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg 1057074;1426718020;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Esf4Yd ) 1057075;1426718410;cazalla;http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/18/ashley-judd-to-press-charges-twitter-sexual-harassment 1057076;1426718411;assbot;Ashley Judd to press charges against Twitter users over sexual harassment | Film | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Esg0vN ) 1057077;1426718790;danielpbarron;she doesn't want them to say the things, so she encourages them by retweeting it!? 1057078;1426718917;danielpbarron;she either doesn't know how twitter works, or knows exactly how twitter works 1057079;1426719257;davout;lol 1057080;1426719508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71600 @ 0.00029565 = 21.1685 BTC [-] 1057081;1426719626;mircea_popescu;who's ashley judd 1057082;1426719638;fluffypony;who isn't ashley judd! 1057083;1426719649;fluffypony;I think we're all ashley judd in our own special way 1057084;1426719654;fluffypony;what can I say, I'm a juddist 1057085;1426719668;fluffypony;juddist priest 1057086;1426719670;mircea_popescu;lol o wait, singer-songwriter/actress/newswoman/political activist. i see. 1057087;1426719735;mircea_popescu;fluffypony well, can you be specific ? 1057088;1426719745;fluffypony;I have no idea who she is 1057089;1426719752;fluffypony;I was just rambling 1057090;1426719772;fluffypony;clearly I'm practicing for the upcoming conference circuit :-P 1057091;1426719813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00029395 = 8.0542 BTC [-] 1057092;1426719868;mircea_popescu;lol 1057093;1426719960;cazalla;mircea_popescu, some bitch in her 40s who pretends she is being sexual harassed on twitter 1057094;1426720048;mircea_popescu;myeah, about as credible as her pretense to fame, talent et all. 1057095;1426720606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75350 @ 0.00029573 = 22.2833 BTC [+] 1057096;1426720850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7363 @ 0.00029682 = 2.1855 BTC [+] 1057097;1426721654;danielpbarron;http://epicsol.org/~misha/deraadt/55 1057098;1426721655;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19AJY9l ) 1057099;1426721820;danielpbarron;for those also reading this email dump, 53 is where Hannum finally addresses Theo 1057100;1426721850;danielpbarron;54/55 is Theo's response which is quite funny 1057101;1426721882;danielpbarron;"Charles, i feel your answer to be a rather virtiolic flame." 1057102;1426721904;danielpbarron;"i'm somewhat unhappy to hear you say what you are saying, or the tone 1057103;1426721904;danielpbarron;you use. you are not being nice. i do not understand what you expect 1057104;1426721906;danielpbarron;to gain from saying things as you have." 1057105;1426722138;danielpbarron;and yeah, Hannum was clearly the aggressor; Demetriou comes off as trying to make reconciliations 1057106;1426722332;danielpbarron;!up vorandrew are your quit/rejoins an attempt to get voice? there are better ways... 1057107;1426722504;vorandrew;:) sorry - debugging some start scripts... will find other server 1057108;1426722559;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron well i certainly didn't go in as far as that 1057109;1426722638;BingoBoingo; danielpbarron well i certainly didn't go in as far as that << This is why we read. You've got more important stuff to read most of the time. 1057110;1426722657;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 107.9135122 BTC. Current weight: 48,983. 1057111;1426722660;mircea_popescu;heh, believing that is how i end up dumb. 1057112;1426722695;BingoBoingo;lol 1057113;1426722718;mircea_popescu;btw re the entire satoshi thing : anyone ever considered it's maybe a homage to Satoshi Kanazawa ? 1057114;1426722734;mircea_popescu;one of the lulziest miciurins of all time 1057115;1426722998;mircea_popescu;!up danyalos 1057116;1426723073;danyalos;Thanks Mircea 1057117;1426723080;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ? 1057118;1426723233;danyalos;I am here because a close friend of mine told me that I should read #Bitcoin-assets often to learn a couple of things. 1057119;1426723255;danyalos;So here I am. 1057120;1426723453;BingoBoingo;Cool 1057121;1426723576;danielpbarron;brenda's friend 1057122;1426723812;danyalos;Do I know you, danielpbarron? 1057123;1426723853;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 48(Y):52(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.54145355 BTC. Current weight: 94,718. 1057124;1426723945;danielpbarron;danyalos, not yet 1057125;1426723961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00029735 = 4.3116 BTC [+] 1057126;1426724029;BingoBoingo;danyalos: Gossip(tm) travels fast 1057127;1426724176;danyalos;I thought spammers would not be allowded here. 1057128;1426724356;BingoBoingo;Depends on one's definition of spam 1057129;1426724386;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ 1057130;1426724387;assbot;Spamming reddit, an "experiment". pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXezs6 ) 1057131;1426724963;trinque;!up danyalos 1057132;1426725565;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 22.93804235 BTC. Current weight: 45,539. 1057133;1426725913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128400 @ 0.00029593 = 37.9974 BTC [-] {3} 1057134;1426726088;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20 << historic lulz 1057135;1426726089;assbot;WW2 justified by former German soldiers - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXnE3Z ) 1057136;1426726650;TheNewDeal;;;Market -all 1057137;1426726651;gribble;Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "-all" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin. 1057138;1426726659;TheNewDeal;;;marker 1057139;1426726659;gribble;Error: "marker" is not a valid command. 1057140;1426726666;TheNewDeal;;;Market 1057141;1426726667;gribble;Error: "Market" is not a valid command. 1057142;1426726673;TheNewDeal;;;quit 1057143;1426726674;gribble;Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 1057144;1426726778;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1057145;1426726786;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 252.29, vol: 21409.77003160 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 248.214, vol: 23659.70593 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 252.6, vol: 92831.71285624 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 263.19, vol: 58.0251376 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 251.665018, vol: 189755.23020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 257.47999, vol: 37.66223963 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 264.65119109, vol: 282.21659006 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1057146;1426726792;brendafdez;!up danyalos 1057147;1426726798;TheNewDeal;:) 1057148;1426726937;TheNewDeal;I was wondering how long it would take the No side to take https://bitbet.us/bet/1129/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-to-drop-under/#b8 1057149;1426726938;assbot;BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June :: 1.23 B (48%) on Yes, 1.32 B (52%) on No | closing in 1 month 4 weeks | weight: 94`666 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXr4E7 ) 1057150;1426726999;brendafdez;I'm missing out on bitbet, never cared much about it 1057151;1426727133;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: It gets interesting, just takes time to internalize what is truly interesting about it. 1057152;1426727158;brendafdez;I read the trilema posts, that's a start 1057153;1426727187;BingoBoingo;BitBet is the greatest provider of insurance BTC has ever seen 1057154;1426727206;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/16/interlude-the-big-bets/ 1057155;1426727207;assbot;Interlude: Sport betting isn't that big, Here's what is | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZVeGq ) 1057156;1426727273;brendafdez;Insurance as in hedging? 1057157;1426727280;*;brendafdez feels so ignorant. 1057158;1426727520;TheNewDeal;Sure. 1057159;1426727532;TheNewDeal;Hurricane insirance, theyve got it all 1057160;1426727548;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 72.33330426 BTC. Current weight: 89,368. 1057161;1426727794;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: Insurance limited only by your imagination and wallet 1057162;1426728259;BingoBoingo;So the Vessenes Foundation is not as sophisticated at vote diddling as East StL http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/east-st-louis-mayor-files-as-write-in-candidate-for/article_e4966c68-f4ec-5964-8d75-cd8a226c3385.html 1057163;1426728260;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZZBRS ) 1057164;1426728277;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << jurov, would it be feasible to get links to the relevant emails in which patches were transmitted on this page 1057165;1426728278;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZZDZT ) 1057166;1426728313;ben_vulpes;as in: i'd like the sole entry under submitted by to link to the appropriate sig, as well as all of the entries under 'signed by' as well. 1057167;1426728401;ben_vulpes;(perhaps a link to the email list page for the email in which a given patch/signature was transmitted would be even better) 1057168;1426728731;mircea_popescu;!up beetcoin 1057169;1426728768;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel 1057170;1426728775;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins` 1057171;1426728779;ben_vulpes;upstorm! 1057172;1426728780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14798 @ 0.00029439 = 4.3564 BTC [-] 1057173;1426728781;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wasn't aware anyone thinks ww2 was avoidable ? 1057174;1426728782;gabriel_laddel;Oh thanks. 1057175;1426728785;nubbins`;ty 1057176;1426728786;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1057177;1426729014;mircea_popescu;poor old guy. basically... you're stuck with your own history. once you're old enough, all that's left is explaining it. 1057178;1426729026;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linked to illustrate that ^ observation. 1057179;1426729039;mircea_popescu;mhm 1057180;1426729268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76350 @ 0.00029784 = 22.7401 BTC [+] 1057181;1426729577;[]bot;Bet placed: 25.0646 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 132.9781122 BTC. Current weight: 48,841. 1057182;1426729604;TheNewDeal;Wow 1057183;1426729739;decimation;"We are in contact with the University chapter of Kappa Sigma and they have taken swift and decisive action in this matter. At their request, the University has committed to provide educational training on diversity and respect for the entire fraternity." << asciilifeform: I could imagine this exact phrase being written in the soviet union 1057184;1426729752;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz4ldoJGIh1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg << nice guys don't look at the boobage. 1057185;1426729754;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H05NsZ ) 1057186;1426729764;decimation;"Komsomol will take swift action" 1057187;1426729789;mircea_popescu;decimation the "at their request ... educaitonal training" is more concerning. 1057188;1426729814;mircea_popescu;for one thing, they know it's nothing short of abuse, hence the "educational training" gauche 1057189;1426730042;mircea_popescu;http://www.wired.com/2009/09/fmrisalmon/ btw 1057190;1426730043;assbot;Scanning Dead Salmon in fMRI Machine Highlights Risk of Red Herrings | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwA9tE ) 1057191;1426730268;decimation;asciilifeform: the macrofab guy actually did an impressive amount of follow-up 1057192;1426730279;gabriel_laddel;nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-03-2015#1051932 < "..." meaning? 1057193;1426730279;assbot;Logged on 13-03-2015 17:02:57; nubbins`: gabriel_laddel:Does anyone take issue with me describing the lordship as "the peerage" and #-assets as "earth's premiere commercial forum"? <<< ... 1057194;1426730291;ben_vulpes;how is this thread still alive... 1057195;1426730310;ben_vulpes;"earth's premiere clown car and pornography club" << howzat 1057196;1426730318;gabriel_laddel;I'm (in an ad-hoc manner) catching up on logs. 1057197;1426730324;ben_vulpes;oh. 1057198;1426730326;ben_vulpes;well don't mind me. 1057199;1426730329;decimation;so he basically subbed a dead short for your capacitor 1057200;1426730464;[]bot;Bet placed: 10.16739699 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 82.50070126 BTC. Current weight: 89,332. 1057201;1426730464;[]bot;Bet placed: 5.0356048 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 27.97364715 BTC. Current weight: 45,410. 1057202;1426730467;brendafdez;;;buy 1000 USD 12.7 ARS "cash in bs as - price current as of 2015-03-18 updates daily - me@brendafernandez.com to place order" 1057203;1426730467;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book. 1057204;1426730470;brendafdez;ops 1057205;1426730481;mircea_popescu;actually clown car is probably the worst description. for one thing, b-a's not funny. 1057206;1426730490;mircea_popescu;for the other, most of the usual clowns hate it. 1057207;1426730631;brendafdez;;;ident brendafdez 1057208;1426730631;gribble;Nick 'brendafdez', with hostmask 'brendafdez!~brendafde@unaffiliated/brendafdez', is identified as user 'brendafdez', with GPG key id CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4, key fingerprint 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4, and bitcoin address None 1057209;1426730652;brendafdez;;;buy 1000 USD 12.7 ARS "cash in bs as - price current as of 2015-03-18 updates daily - me@brendafernandez.com to place order" 1057210;1426730653;gribble;Order id 22093 created. 1057211;1426730660;brendafdez;does it make sense? 1057212;1426730671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113100 @ 0.00029784 = 33.6857 BTC [+] 1057213;1426730686;danielpbarron;nope ,,(view 22093) 1057214;1426730709;brendafdez;:( 1057215;1426730717;danielpbarron;needs "at" between USD and 12.7 1057216;1426730733;danielpbarron;;;view 22093 1057217;1426730735;gribble;#22093 Wed Mar 18 22:04:08 2015 brendafdez BUY 1000.0 USD @ 12.7 ARS (cash in bs as - price current as of 2015-03-18 updates daily - me@brendafernandez.com to place order) 1057218;1426730748;danielpbarron;never 1057219;1426730756;danielpbarron;nevermind 1057220;1426731170;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold " http://bitbet.us/bet/976/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.68419713 BTC. Current weight: 14,495. 1057221;1426731772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00029784 = 5.3462 BTC [+] 1057222;1426732151;ben_vulpes;bitcoin parity with various things is now a sexy bet. 1057223;1426732157;ben_vulpes;;;ticker --market xau 1057224;1426732157;gribble;Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'butter', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'krk', 'btcde', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all' 1057225;1426732190;ben_vulpes;;;ticker --currency xau 1057226;1426732191;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. 1057227;1426732203;ben_vulpes;;;ticker --market bitstamp --currency xau 1057228;1426732205;gribble;Bitstamp BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.228321, Best ask: 0.229068, Bid-ask spread: 0.00075, Last trade: 0.228123, 24 hour volume: 22002.37678990, 24 hour low: 0.2241, 24 hour high: 0.2556, 24 hour vwap: 0.23923387779 1057229;1426732421;TheNewDeal;Bitcoin market to reach parity of nyse on mar 1 2020. 1057230;1426732452;decimation;;;ticker 1057231;1426732453;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.43, Best ask: 254.52, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 254.45, 24 hour volume: 101179.88568595, 24 hour low: 246.98, 24 hour high: 285.03, 24 hour vwap: None 1057232;1426732476;decimation;I wonder how much manipulation is going on before some of those ETFs hit the pink sheets 1057233;1426732570;BingoBoingo;Quite a bit prolly 1057234;1426732895;decimation;well, now is the time to buy 1057235;1426733127;ben_vulpes;i'll take a few 1057236;1426733222;ben_vulpes;or...i would. 1057237;1426733566;asciilifeform;decimation: subbed a dead short for your capacitor << not a dead short, an inductor-capacitor chimera. perfectly legit item, just not what was specced. 1057238;1426733625;asciilifeform;http://www.pbfcomics.com/271 << shiva hands! 1057239;1426733626;assbot;The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0J4OJ ) 1057240;1426733651;*;asciilifeform waits for the inevitable 'that's not shiva' nitpick 1057241;1426733899;decimation;ah. well, dc-short more or less 1057242;1426734013;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform waits for the inevitable 'that's not shiva' nitpick << lol dong-nose 1057243;1426734278;ben_vulpes;kinda looks like ganesha is puching *through* jesus 1057244;1426734439;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000068.html << congrats to ben_vulpes and mod6 1057245;1426734440;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19B9FXn ) 1057246;1426734563;nubbins`;ben_vulpes earth's premiere cheese club 1057247;1426734721;decimation;I like mod6's ascii-style 1057248;1426734880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00030003 = 8.1008 BTC [+] 1057249;1426735429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135139 @ 0.00029746 = 40.1984 BTC [-] {2} 1057250;1426735914;mod6;thanks asciilifeform && decimation :] 1057251;1426735917;mod6;thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000069.html 1057252;1426735973;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: all kudos to mod6, all critiques to me 1057253;1426736042;ben_vulpes;oh man emacs mangled that email. 1057254;1426736131;ben_vulpes;ah well, onwards and upwards, as they say. 1057255;1426736146;ben_vulpes;i've a whole lifetime to decruft my emacs mail situation. 1057256;1426736146;mod6;thanks for all your help ben_vulpes. couldn't have done it without you. 1057257;1426736156;ben_vulpes;nonsense i didn't do nuffin 1057258;1426736158;BingoBoingo;Congrats to yall 1057259;1426736158;mod6;thanks to everyone who helped out. 1057260;1426736177;mod6;you guys made this happen. you're the real bitcoin heros. 1057261;1426736181;ben_vulpes;yeah asciilifeform thanks for holding our toes to the fire 1057262;1426736189;mod6;^^^ 1057263;1426736197;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron, decimation, et al 1057264;1426736206;mod6;^^^ 1057265;1426736211;ben_vulpes;it's culty circle-jerk time, y'all! 1057266;1426736241;mod6;:] 1057267;1426736299;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: per "asciilifeform: all kudos to mod6, all critiques to me" mod6 get the girls plural, you get singular girl. In the tradition of mp/kako BitBet tradition. 1057268;1426736301;mod6;Thanks to TomServo && Punkman && danielpbarron && trinque && thestringpuller && BingoBoingo 1057269;1426736309;mod6;mircea_popescu && jurov! 1057270;1426736347;mod6;And anyone who I'm leaving out... thanks again. 1057271;1426736360;ben_vulpes;btw, we think this is the first publically-released static bitcoin build. 1057272;1426736375;ben_vulpes;well, recipe at least. 1057273;1426736396;mod6;I think so too. 1057274;1426736431;trinque;great job guys 1057275;1426736452;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << please take a look at this list, and the patches we've rolled out with the 0.5.3.1 RI build. if you've time, inclination, and capability - review the patches and submit your sigs. 1057276;1426736452;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLWjFv ) 1057277;1426736467;ben_vulpes;don't sign if you haven't read. 1057278;1426736482;ben_vulpes;this is a pretty good set to get started with - mostly snips. 1057279;1426736510;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: mod6 lives too far away from civilization to make keeping a harem practical :P 1057280;1426736517;ben_vulpes;well 1057281;1426736519;ben_vulpes;recruiting 1057282;1426736525;ben_vulpes;i'm sure mircea_popescu will take me to task for that but w/e 1057283;1426736590;ben_vulpes;okay qntrites, your turn. 1057284;1426736727;asciilifeform;perhaps for next snapshit, 1057285;1426736732;asciilifeform;the 'gitignores' can go 1057286;1426736742;asciilifeform;(they're in the tarball still...) 1057287;1426736750;asciilifeform;snapshot. 1057288;1426736887;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, what's the elisp doing in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000070.html ? 1057289;1426736887;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLWT6c ) 1057290;1426736948;ben_vulpes;i think it comes of me supplying application/gpg manually for attachment content type 1057291;1426736958;ben_vulpes;i *really* have no idea. 1057292;1426736985;ben_vulpes;anyways 1057293;1426736987;*;ben_vulpes to steak 1057294;1426736990;ben_vulpes;have a good night, you all. 1057295;1426737080;mod6;have a good night ben_vulpes, thanks again. :] 1057296;1426737406;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/public_access/ < apparently usg will require some level of public access to usg-funded research papers 1057297;1426737409;assbot;US NSF - News - Special Reports - Public Access to Results of NSF-funded Research ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLXN2s ) 1057298;1426737433;decimation;I'm sure that some kind of loophole will protect the existing publishing empires 1057299;1426737441;asciilifeform;decimation: it's threatened to happen for more than a decade, yes 1057300;1426737475;asciilifeform;but even the linked item contains 'Be available for download, reading and analysis free of charge no later than 12 months after initial publication' 1057301;1426737479;asciilifeform;which is a mega-laugh 1057302;1426737512;decimation;yeah, and even then I expect all of those words don't mean what you think they mean 1057303;1426737517;asciilifeform;aha 1057304;1426737531;asciilifeform;but even if it were true - still a joke. picture, full year's embargo. 1057305;1426737542;decimation;well, no problem for a hobbyist 1057306;1426737556;decimation;certainly a problem if one wishes to 'compete' for bezzlars 1057307;1426737564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113604 @ 0.00029325 = 33.3144 BTC [-] 1057308;1426737576;asciilifeform;the same folks who were paying the parasites (i will not call them publishers, they withhold only - performing not a single one of the traditional functions of a publishing house save the physical printing) - will continue to pay. 1057309;1426737600;asciilifeform;decimation: depends what sort of hobbyist 1057310;1426737616;asciilifeform;and to the extent it isn't a problem, it is solely because academia is mostly dead as a going concern 1057311;1426737634;decimation;I'm personally pissed that the IEEE (I pay for membership) only gives me a tiny, tiny slice of their papers 1057312;1426737645;asciilifeform;why still paying, again ? 1057313;1426737660;decimation;I'm a member of the communications society - you have to pay more to get access to their journal 1057314;1426737675;decimation;well, they have good group insurance rates 1057315;1426737728;decimation;the other thing that annoys me is djb's complaint: http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html < IEEE is more than happy to charge you for copyright-free papers 1057316;1426737729;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMBPRS ) 1057317;1426737848;decimation;IEEE is also famous for 'fake conference' scams 1057318;1426738001;BingoBoingo;This combination acedamiwank/chumpatron occupied too much of my time in Library school 1057319;1426738064;decimation;BingoBoingo: the libraries are in on it insofar as they are a funnel of cash to the journal houses 1057320;1426738132;BingoBoingo;decimation: It is more the University admins who budget for this hoping they might have someone on the faculty to wins their lottery ticket for them. It is essentially exactly a lottery mentality. 1057321;1426738135;asciilifeform;quite a few 'civilians' don't believe me when i explain that the 'publishers' do not edit, or - in most cases - even typeset the submissions; and that not only do authors receive no royalties, but often -pay- page costs 1057322;1426738164;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, for instance the IEEE demands you assign them copyright 1057323;1426738164;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the term of art, iirc, is 'tournament market' 1057324;1426738168;asciilifeform;!s tournament market 1057325;1426738169;assbot;8 results for 'tournament market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tournament+market 1057326;1426738209;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724168 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724169 1057327;1426738209;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2014 01:51:50; asciilifeform: 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," 1057328;1426738209;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2014 01:51:51; asciilifeform: d co-authors continue. Academic science is only one such market; other familiar examples include rock music, professional sports, and national politics. ' 1057329;1426738220;decimation;BingoBoingo: yeah that makes sense, I always wonder why the administration seems 'friendly' to spending large piles of money on the publishing scamzors 1057330;1426738332;asciilifeform;the textbook divisions of the same houses rape the undergrads, also to the enthusiastic applause of the faculty (who get kickbacks) 1057331;1426738347;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: yeah that makes sense, I always wonder why the administration seems 'friendly' to spending large piles of money on the publishing scamzors << As a class nearly all librarians dislike this because even when they publish anything is too niche to win. Spending on this stuff is also an extraordinary part of their budget. 1057332;1426738399;asciilifeform;the basic 'zoological' observation here is that there is no such thing as a chumpatron of this size which stays 'single-layered' indefinitely. at a certain point, smaller fleas show up to go on the backs of the fleas, and so ad infinitum 1057333;1426738401;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I've heard the latest scam for undergrads is to 'custom publish' a book for each class, which consists of portions of older texts with all of the sections and excercises renumbered 1057334;1426738427;asciilifeform;decimation: in one form or another, this has been going on for at least two decades. 1057335;1426738440;asciilifeform;decimation: the latest scam i personally know of is the 'www homework membership' 1057336;1426738452;decimation;paid website for excercises? 1057337;1426738465;asciilifeform;where a used copy of the book literally doesn't let you pass the class because its homework account code (yes) is already spent. 1057338;1426738495;asciilifeform;this was, as i understand, a reaction to folks scanning bookz 1057339;1426738518;asciilifeform;the parasite scum went, 'fine, we don't care if you want the dead tree to carry around or not, but you'll pay.' 1057340;1426738571;decimation;'homework account code'? 1057341;1426738575;asciilifeform;aha 1057342;1426738581;decimation;are the homeworks online? 1057343;1426738589;decimation;or do they use robo-grading? 1057344;1426738590;asciilifeform;chumper has to register with publisher to do the exercises, yes 1057345;1426738595;asciilifeform;typically robo-graded 1057346;1426738602;asciilifeform;hence incentive for the profs 1057347;1426738681;decimation;I can't believe any moral person would sign up for this kind of thing 1057348;1426738703;asciilifeform;the textbook racket is in some ways inevitable - the kids with access to $maxint in loans are walking bags of delicious meat from the standpoint of ten thousand kinds of flea 1057349;1426738749;asciilifeform;and given as they are virtually never spending money which is -their own- in any palpable sense - they don't resist nearly as much as might be expected 1057350;1426738766;asciilifeform;what's a $300 book compared to the $100k tuition. 1057351;1426738768;BingoBoingo; the textbook racket is in some ways inevitable - the kids with access to $maxint in loans are walking bags of delicious meat from the standpoint of ten thousand kinds of flea << Not to mention many professors will accomodate students without $maxint doing otherwise. 1057352;1426738840;decimation;asciilifeform: the $maxint bubble is growing even larger > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-18/young-adults-are-losing-all-hope-of-buying-a-starter-home > "The student loan debt burden rose 8 percent, to $1.16 trillion, last year. Most of that debt—65 percent—was owed by borrowers under 40 years old. " 1057353;1426738842;assbot;Young Adults Are Losing All Hope of Buying a Starter Home - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MM0P72 ) 1057354;1426738875;asciilifeform;the hidden text in this crap is 'let's print more hoap' 1057355;1426738930;asciilifeform;and where do these cheap clowns get off calling debt peonage 'ownership' ? 1057356;1426738950;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah note that 8% annual rate is more than any reasonable fixed income investment 1057357;1426738999;decimation;usg is all about illusioning every problem away 1057358;1426739005;asciilifeform;'"chumpatron X debt continues to drag on the young generation, limiting their ability to be milked in chumpatron Y," the analysts said.' 1057359;1426739008;asciilifeform;^ phixed 1057360;1426739103;asciilifeform;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-18/boston-non-profit-wants-to-put-grown-ups-back-in-dorms << ahahahahaha. 1057361;1426739104;assbot;Boston Nonprofit Wants to Put Grown-Ups in Dorms - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBKuQJ ) 1057362;1426739109;*;asciilifeform did predict. 1057363;1426739119;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ 1057364;1426739163;decimation;sheparding conflicts between chumpatrons 1057365;1426739247;asciilifeform;'The authors of a new report from the Boston Foundation, a philanthropic organization that funds local nonprofits, prefer the phrase "millennial villages," dorm-like developments that maximize space by combining smaller living spaces with lots of common areas. Specifically, the report suggests building 10,000 units that make up for cramped living quarters by including shared lounges, health clubs, and shared areas for study, m 1057366;1426739247;asciilifeform;usic practice, or launching a technology startup. For young tenants really interested in cutting costs, some could be built with shared kitchens.' 1057367;1426739265;asciilifeform;'... In that light, building smaller units for cash-strapped millennials who need to live in a tight housing market sounds like a sensible solution—helping young people find more affordable housing and preserving larger units for the families that need them. Still, as the single-family starter home becomes less viable, do initiatives like this doom millennials to spending their twenties living in dorms?' 1057368;1426739338;decimation;" families that need them." 1057369;1426739402;BingoBoingo;!up adam_obrien 1057370;1426739411;decimation;asciilifeform: perhaps the dorms can be designed like a soviet apartment block 1057371;1426739432;asciilifeform;but with less space yet. 1057372;1426739449;asciilifeform;how they will be designed - is no mystery, there were already built here where i live 1057373;1426739457;asciilifeform;just not pitched to 'adults' quite yet. 1057374;1426739483;asciilifeform;less space because the inhabitants are not expected to reproduce 1057375;1426739488;decimation;http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2013/01/7284318/bloomberg-unveils-those-tiny-tiny-manhattan-apartments < related "For the first time in New York City, a multi-unit building will (legally) consist entirely of what the city has dubbed "micro units," which are apartments of between 250 and 370 square feet." 1057376;1426739489;assbot;Bloomberg unveils those tiny, tiny Manhattan apartments | Capital New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBKLmW ) 1057377;1426739520;BingoBoingo;dubbed "micro units," which are apartments of between 250 and 370 square feet." << Generous bastards 1057378;1426739525;decimation;asciilifeform: the inhabitants are expected to spend 100% of their income in 'consumption' 1057379;1426739629;asciilifeform;370 is not a 'coffin hotel' by any measure 1057380;1426739634;asciilifeform;that's my old flat minus a room. 1057381;1426739680;asciilifeform;also ancient newspiece, presumably that anthill is already packed to bursting point 1057382;1426739752;asciilifeform;'Here's why millennial villages might be a good idea. Boston doesn't have enough small apartments to satisfy demand from young adults and their boomer-parents. Millennials in particular have responded to the small-unit shortage by doubling and tripling up in housing originally built for middle-income families. That trend has helped drive up the average sales price of a single unit in one of Boston's distinctive triple-decker h 1057383;1426739752;asciilifeform;ouses by 85 percent since 2009, the report found.' 1057384;1426739784;mircea_popescu;heh. 1057385;1426739802;asciilifeform;obligatory thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996775 1057386;1426739802;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 04:14:00; asciilifeform: it was a mindfuck. went to see this one place, it had... 8 bois/gurlz 1057387;1426739881;mircea_popescu;check it out, mod6 is getting an oscar. 1057388;1426739931;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/c54a814d32e3f8126fdf28b54fdcccbc/tumblr_mk3cnemPKQ1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg << cheapest anywhere! 1057389;1426739932;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBLcxB ) 1057390;1426740333;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: but even if it were true - still a joke. picture, full year's embargo. << i actually don't see much of a problem with this. most "science" is worthless anyway, i currently don't read it if it's less than a coupla decades old on general principle. a year's embargo wouldn't do anything. 1057391;1426740355;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch 1057392;1426740357;asciilifeform;see rest of thread 1057393;1426740514;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1057394;1426740553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42350 @ 0.00029114 = 12.3298 BTC [-] {2} 1057395;1426740569;mircea_popescu;strange that anyone would even for a single second propose the usg even exists as a going concern, 1057396;1426740583;mircea_popescu;when confronted with stuff such as, you know "quite a few 'civilians' don't believe me when i explain that the 'publishers' do not edit, or - in most cases - even typeset the submissions; and that not only do authors receive no royalties, but often -pay- page costs" 1057397;1426740598;mircea_popescu;seems a very accentuated case of memory hole effect. 1057398;1426740632;asciilifeform;both are 'going concerns' in the sense that they keep a great many folks out of the organ market 1057399;1426740649;mircea_popescu;in this sense, so is my unicorn princess. 1057400;1426740665;asciilifeform;and have enough 'immune system' remaining to avoid digestion by 'isis', pirates, or #b-a thus far 1057401;1426740686;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/journalist-barrett-brown-bears-full-restitution-brunt/ 1057402;1426740698;decimation;meanwhile farther up the line, the bond & stock & currency markets wobbled wildly on news that the fed might this time really seriously stop printing money 1057403;1426740701;mircea_popescu;or maybe they have the immunity of no substance. 1057404;1426740710;mircea_popescu;how does air manage to avoid being digested by mammals ? well... 1057405;1426740736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401800 @ 0.00029852 = 119.9453 BTC [+] {5} 1057406;1426740761;decimation;but because 'inflation measures' were off, not in june but maybe september, and this time for real 1057407;1426740770;decimation;maybe, unless it isn't 1057408;1426740785;mircea_popescu;heh. 1057409;1426740800;mircea_popescu;it can't stop. this is a foregone conclusion, the us has no austerity way out 1057410;1426740814;mircea_popescu;which is why, in typical usian fashion, they're claiming currently that "austerity is not a way out" in the general. 1057411;1426740846;mircea_popescu;the ridicule of this after their "austerity as only way out" consensus in the 90s is completely lost, also in typical usian fashion. 1057412;1426740893;decimation;'because reasons' 1057413;1426740898;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057347 << heh. 1057414;1426740898;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 04:18:01; decimation: I can't believe any moral person would sign up for this kind of thing 1057415;1426740907;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: usa has no 'austerity way' but does have the inevitable убеднение (orlov tried to introduce the term to engl., but it has no good ready translation) 1057416;1426740917;asciilifeform;the 'adult dorms' are one form 1057417;1426740930;mircea_popescu;you can't have moral persons that have delegated their authority. everyone in the us agrees that they're obeying laws because they're laws, not because they're right. consequently, american citizens can not be moral agents. 1057418;1426740931;asciilifeform;убеднение != impoverishment 1057419;1426740949;mircea_popescu;how about "holod" ? 1057420;1426740953;asciilifeform;more like 'poorification' 1057421;1426740971;nubbins`;cheapening 1057422;1426740978;asciilifeform;neh, not quite cheapening 1057423;1426741002;asciilifeform;implication is, sorta, turning down the poverty thermostat on somebody 1057424;1426741005;mircea_popescu;убеднение = downotching 1057425;1426741008;mircea_popescu;as opposed to downshifting. 1057426;1426741011;mircea_popescu;one's voluntary. 1057427;1426741020;asciilifeform;aha mircea_popescu grasps the subtlety here 1057428;1426741098;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw is qntra making a "first static bitcoin" post ? 1057429;1426741122;nubbins`;oh right i was gonna fiddle with that 1057430;1426741173;asciilifeform;speaking of that article, notice that even stratfor is still a going concern 1057431;1426741176;asciilifeform;in the usg sense 1057432;1426741185;mircea_popescu;assbot: Young Adults Are Losing All Hope of Buying a Starter Home - check it out, being a twentysomething usian kid is a worse fate than being a 20something chinese kid. 1057433;1426741205;asciilifeform;in that a stable of parasites is still drawing fat salaries there, as if nothing whatsoever had happened 1057434;1426741213;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057358 <<< ahahah this. 1057435;1426741213;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 04:23:25; asciilifeform: '"chumpatron X debt continues to drag on the young generation, limiting their ability to be milked in chumpatron Y," the analysts said.' 1057436;1426741244;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for all i care people are still paying to visit graceland. 1057437;1426741286;asciilifeform;yeah but in this case it is as if the occupant had been mummified and nothing detectably changed in the behaviour of the visitors pre- and post-mortem 1057438;1426741288;mircea_popescu;'The authors of a new report from the Boston Foundation, a philanthropic organization that funds local nonprofits, prefer the phrase "millennial villages," dorm-like developments that maximize space by combining smaller living spaces with lots of common areas. 1057439;1426741293;mircea_popescu;what was the fucking soviet term for this, 1057440;1426741305;mircea_popescu;where they put all the peasants that went to town to work 1057441;1426741378;mircea_popescu;incidentally : shared kitchens are absolutely the ONLY way to go high density. gotta let the women become friendly so the tribal structure re-emerges. once they're breastfeeding each other's babies you can start over with the moses desertwalk. 1057442;1426741386;mircea_popescu;five-six thousand years later you'll be launching the titanic! 1057443;1426741441;mircea_popescu;but god did romanians hate this stuff after the war. 1057444;1426741457;mircea_popescu;not that it was avoidable, but it did make for enduring hatred for both communism and russians. 1057445;1426741471;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel 1057446;1426741471;asciilifeform;worked in ru too 1057447;1426741481;asciilifeform;to give'em enduring hatred for selves 1057448;1426741487;mircea_popescu;im sure. 1057449;1426741490;gabriel_laddel; what was the fucking soviet term for this, << kommunalki? 1057450;1426741495;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1057451;1426741504;mircea_popescu;ironically, neither group (ru, ro) selfhated pre the experience. 1057452;1426741515;mircea_popescu;but the us has been hating itself, quite loudly at that, for decades now. 1057453;1426741524;mircea_popescu;curious what comes out of this creuzet. 1057454;1426741544;gabriel_laddel;since the beginning, that's the whole of puritanism, no? 1057455;1426741550;gabriel_laddel;"don't have fun" 1057456;1426741551;decimation;also note that most of these millenials were raised in relative prosperity in the rich 'burbs of the 80's 1057457;1426741573;decimation;they aren't peasants who only roll shit uphill 1057458;1426741573;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between "laughing is evil" (as aptly depicted by eco) and "we are wrong" 1057459;1426741624;gabriel_laddel;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/gunshow.htm 1057460;1426741625;assbot; THE ORANGE COUNTY GUN SHOW ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBN1ud ) 1057461;1426741630;gabriel_laddel;^ what happens in the USA 1057462;1426741640;mircea_popescu;i'm curious if it's going to yield some sort of ragnarok-like "the world is doomed" (seems to jive with the "austerity won't work for us so it doesn't work period" self-seeking ignorance) or some sort of ultraviolent civil war of six sides, like in japan 1057463;1426741651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88100 @ 0.0003031 = 26.7031 BTC [+] {2} 1057464;1426741678;mircea_popescu;"construction zones that only constructed themselves" fuck, that's SO DAMNED SOVIET! 1057465;1426741698;asciilifeform;we have these here in abundance 1057466;1426741706;mircea_popescu;dude, shakespeare had only part of it. not only is the world a stage, but the same old play is going on endlessly. 1057467;1426741727;asciilifeform;state law (in more than a few states) is that, as al schwartz writes here, fines double (or in 'school zone', quadruple, etc) 1057468;1426741733;asciilifeform;hence eternal 'constructions' 1057469;1426741742;asciilifeform;where nothing ever seems to get constructed 1057470;1426741796;gabriel_laddel; we have these here in abundance << I saw one outside the Palo Alto four seasons just the other day... 20 guys just standing around more or less. 1057471;1426741829;asciilifeform;phun phact (also noted by al) - fella who holds the 'stop' sign all day makes 2x what a typical postdoc makes. 1057472;1426741844;mircea_popescu;well he is actually doing something. 1057473;1426741849;asciilifeform;plus benefits, pensions, etc. 1057474;1426741853;decimation;asciilifeform: garbage man too, especially in maryland 1057475;1426742023;*;decimation bids good evening 1057476;1426742125;gabriel_laddel;I always wonder about the people who see this sort of thing everyday but never connect the dots, how do they internally deal with actual reality? I once flipped through the book Dangerous Thoughts by Yuri Orlov. He claimed that in the soviet collapse people would have multiple "selves". When they would break the law that would be their "off work" I, vs. the at work I who would report such a transgression to the poli 1057477;1426742125;gabriel_laddel;ce. 1057478;1426742158;mircea_popescu;"For the first time in New York City, a multi-unit building will (legally) consist entirely of what the city has dubbed "micro units," which are apartments of between 250 and 370 square feet." << this is almost exactly it! 1057479;1426742164;mircea_popescu;;;google garsoniera confort III 1057480;1426742165;gribble;Garsoniera Confort II - YouTube: ; Garsoniera confort 1 sporit - zona Trafic Greu ( Mall Libery Center ...: ; Sector 4 - Garsoniera confort 1 - YouTube: 1057481;1426742243;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: top euro quality, fit for any artist to starve in 1057482;1426742269;BingoBoingo;!up brendafdez 1057483;1426742277;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Working on a piece 1057484;1426742288;asciilifeform;and woah, washing machine !? 1057485;1426742292;asciilifeform;unspeakable luxury 1057486;1426742295;TheNewDeal;Starving artists, the most popular homo sapien once the food supply runs shy 1057487;1426742301;mircea_popescu;lol 1057488;1426742307;mircea_popescu;;;google 250 feet to sqm 1057489;1426742308;gribble;Square meters - Square feet units conversion: ; Convert square meter to square foot - area converter: ; Convert 250 square meters to square feet - Answers.com: 1057490;1426742314;*;asciilifeform did not have 'own' washamat until the current ~2kBez bldg. 1057491;1426742333;mircea_popescu;rly ?! 1057492;1426742336;asciilifeform;aha 1057493;1426742346;asciilifeform;in flats they are unheard of. 1057494;1426742353;asciilifeform;strictly communal coin-operated things. 1057495;1426742354;mircea_popescu;it came with my $7k a year two level + garden house in ro. 1057496;1426742358;asciilifeform;(that are b0rked half the time) 1057497;1426742396;asciilifeform;7k/y buys... a parking space. here 1057498;1426742404;asciilifeform;for compact car. 1057499;1426742423;asciilifeform;on 7th floor of public garage. 1057500;1426742441;mircea_popescu;i raised my own artichokes! 1057501;1426742447;*;asciilifeform exaggerates but only slightly 1057502;1426742577;mircea_popescu;the girlies that lived alone in town generally got 500 sqm apts running 300ish a month. 1057503;1426742621;asciilifeform;500!? 1057504;1426742630;TheNewDeal;Small town or large city? 1057505;1426742669;asciilifeform;500 m^2 is ~6 times the space where i live now. 1057506;1426742702;mircea_popescu;timisoara. it thinks itself a major romanian town, but it's more like... well... portland, basically. 1057507;1426742708;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-foundation-reaches-release/ 1057508;1426742721;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, extra zero. 50. 1057509;1426742725;asciilifeform;aha lol 1057510;1426742729;mircea_popescu;my apologies for any popped eyes in the audience. 1057511;1426742735;*;asciilifeform stuffs eye back in 1057512;1426742737;mircea_popescu;nah, house was 250+200. 1057513;1426742796;mod6;thanks BingoBoingo! although, it'd probably be better to link "first release" to this email: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000069.html 1057514;1426742797;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAbWHo ) 1057515;1426742817;*;asciilifeform still salivates after the 'vibe' of timis. 1057516;1426742837;mircea_popescu;too close to lebanon tho. 1057517;1426742869;mircea_popescu;besides, something tells me you'll salivate after the vibe of any place that's not washington fucking dc. 1057518;1426742869;BingoBoingo;mod6: revised 1057519;1426742881;mod6;tyvm :] 1057520;1426742889;*;BingoBoingo thinks asciilifeform would salivate over north stl 1057521;1426742890;asciilifeform;thing is, the 'numeric wank' is just that. more interesting is what chunk of their meager daily coin the folks in each town get fleeced for by the land rackets 1057522;1426742910;asciilifeform;because the 500 (or 50) is cheaper still in the congo than in ro 1057523;1426742911;brendafdez;what would be the point of 500swm all to yourself? 1057524;1426742917;asciilifeform;brendafdez: machines 1057525;1426742918;BingoBoingo;mod6: Check, not you exact suggested revision 1057526;1426742943;BingoBoingo; what would be the point of 500swm all to yourself? << Vax powered steam table 1057527;1426742965;mircea_popescu;brendafdez depends on what lifestyle. place to throw a party. place to store a lot of books. place to practice some indoor hobby - from kendo to rockstaring. 1057528;1426742974;asciilifeform;brendafdez: i have entire things that i cannot do, for instance, because, while can afford the equipment - cannot, the space. 1057529;1426743022;asciilifeform;and just about everyone i know has some version of this 1057530;1426743061;asciilifeform;you will run into folks, for instance, who will whisper to you that they would have pistol range in their house if they could (a mighty fine idea, if you take care to separate the air flow) 1057531;1426743073;asciilifeform;but picture what it would cost 1057532;1426743078;mircea_popescu;basement isalso good for all the chained bitchez. 1057533;1426743086;asciilifeform;for 1,001 things. 1057534;1426743091;mircea_popescu;or if too old to get it up anymore, prized wine collection. 1057535;1426743103;mircea_popescu;i had a friend with a cask of port. 1057536;1426743109;asciilifeform;amontillado! 1057537;1426743118;mircea_popescu;haha not quite. but the thing did say 1893 1057538;1426743120;asciilifeform;fortheloveofgodmontrezor! (tm) 1057539;1426743140;mod6;BingoBoingo: ah, I see. looks good. 1057540;1426743148;brendafdez;yes, I bet when you have something you end up finding some use for it. My previous apartment had a trunk room, I used it to keep a lot of shit... 1057541;1426743152;asciilifeform;i, for instance, tried to find a thing with a basement, here. but this was just beyond reach. instead i have a shipping-container-shaped 'garden shed' 1057542;1426743170;mircea_popescu;you can't have a basement in the swamp. or good cheese, for that matter. 1057543;1426743191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh no, plenty of properties with basements (not all flat elevation here). just $$$$ 1057544;1426743194;mircea_popescu;brendafdez how about something simple like, bar and dancing pole ? that's 100sqm right there. 1057545;1426743200;brendafdez;:) 1057546;1426743208;*;BingoBoingo doesn't get "port" wine 1057547;1426743215;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do you get mead ? 1057548;1426743244;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure. As in delivery and understanding the principle. Just don't understand the idea of Port. 1057549;1426743269;mircea_popescu;well, it's a historical accident. on one hand, "this wine is pretty good, could we add shit to it ? maybe make it thicker ?" 1057550;1426743278;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, england had jamaica, only thing it was good for was sugar. 1057551;1426743280;asciilifeform;brendafdez: what is a trunk room ? 1057552;1426743284;mircea_popescu;add one and one. it's how they ended up drinking tea. 1057553;1426743288;brendafdez;spare place to store shit 1057554;1426743310;mircea_popescu;very supportive home market. "oh, our empire building boys abroad found blue rocks ? FINE! we will make hats with them! they're very valuable now!" 1057555;1426743321;BingoBoingo;I'm not a big fan of ticker booze. Higher Etoh content is great. Just thicker devolves into schnapps. 1057556;1426743329;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aka punishment room. small room no windows where bad girls go to meditate. 1057557;1426743333;brendafdez;asciilifeform not sure if that's the proper word 1057558;1426743383;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: schnapps << i once suggested a drink, 'the kapo' - one part schnapps to one part 'manischewitz' 1057559;1426743426;BingoBoingo;If working the liver, why also push the pancreas closer to diabeetus. 1057560;1426743427;asciilifeform;if you get ^ this, you are qualified for the time machine excursion. 1057561;1426743473;asciilifeform;Leichenträger Zur Wache! 1057562;1426743484;asciilifeform;*zu 1057563;1426743498;BingoBoingo;Etoh has blessed me with plenty of forward moving "time machine" jumps. Never given me the backwards jump to 2003 I'd make so much out of. 1057564;1426743603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84900 @ 0.00030324 = 25.7451 BTC [+] 1057565;1426743692;asciilifeform;re: square metrage: on a number of occasions i spoke with tourists and visitors of various kinds from 'orc' lands. who marvelled at hearing of 'american salary' etc. i patiently explained that it's rather like a shabbier version of where they came from with a zero or two welded on to both sides of the household balance sheet. like zimbabwe 'dollar'. normally folks grasp it and face lights up. 1057566;1426743762;mircea_popescu;!up nanashi_ 1057567;1426743808;mircea_popescu;the us is principally annoying because of the challenge finding edibles is. 1057568;1426743858;asciilifeform;^ this is solvable, albeit at astonishing cost 1057569;1426743870;mircea_popescu;any physical location takes well over 100 man-hours of research before it can be livable. 1057570;1426743873;mircea_popescu;right. 1057571;1426743886;asciilifeform;the folks born and raised on 'eat recycled phood, it's good for the environment And ok for you!' typically don't bother. 1057572;1426743888;asciilifeform;with any of that. 1057573;1426743920;mircea_popescu;they're also dumb. 1057574;1426743932;BingoBoingo;http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2015/03/neurologists-telling-neurology-jokes.html 1057575;1426743934;assbot;Doctor Grumpy in the House: Neurologists telling neurology jokes ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAeKEf ) 1057576;1426744020;asciilifeform;they're also dumb << that's the interesting part, plenty of folks walking around who are not dumb in the usual sense - but grew up in this bizarre underground ww3 vault where of course the fucking sky is made of cement, what else could it be made of, and why do you use that weirdo archaic word 'sky' anyway, it's 'ceiling' 1057577;1426744262;mircea_popescu;The first time I taught undergraduates I was surprised to learn that most of the students had no ability to judge if their answers seemed plausible. [...] You could ask a question about a guy throwing a football, and answers would range from 1 meter/second all the way to 5000 meters/second. You could ask a question about how far someone can hit a baseball and answers would similarly range from a few meters to a few k 1057578;1426744262;mircea_popescu;ilometers. No one would notice when answers were wildly wrong. [...] Since I began working in the business world I’ve noticed that most people never develop that skill. Stick a number in a sentence and people just mentally run right over it, you might as well have inserted some klingon phrases. Some of the better actuaries do have some nice numerical intuition, but a surprising number don’t. They can calculate, 1057579;1426744263;mircea_popescu; but they don’t understand what the calculations are really telling them, like Searle’s chinese room but with numbers. 1057580;1426744267;mircea_popescu;oh god this is so very true. 1057581;1426744283;mircea_popescu;it's a) exactly my experience and b) the fundamental reason the cattle is despised, actually. 1057582;1426744304;mircea_popescu;it bothers most thinking people, on a very fundamental and not necessarily conscious level, to interact with anyone exhibiting this particular idiocy. 1057583;1426744317;mircea_popescu;people not washing is easier to tolerate. much easier. 1057584;1426744350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform imo, the " and why do you use that weirdo archaic word 'sky' anyway, it's 'ceiling'" is exactly definitorily dumb. 1057585;1426744360;mircea_popescu;how do you define "dumb" ? 1057586;1426744402;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when they fail to grasp 'sky' once taken to the surface ? 1057587;1426744430;mircea_popescu;that could well be just a defense mechanism. 1057588;1426744484;asciilifeform;and were was the numbers thing from ? 1057589;1426744496;mircea_popescu;http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/99197329658/chapter-48-utilitarianism 1057590;1426744497;assbot;Wading In — Chapter 48 - Utilitarianism ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAg1LN ) 1057591;1426744499;asciilifeform;aha 1057592;1426744519;mircea_popescu;dumb in my head is the situation of one who takes his circumstance, whatever it may be, as the complete story. 1057593;1426744558;mircea_popescu;which is why things like "x animal sought to find its home" makes the animal seem smart, or w/e the opposite of dumb is. 1057594;1426744594;mircea_popescu;it's also the deep reason women have been throughout human society and the centuries been regarded as intellectually inferior : it just so happens that for very good biological reasson they're primed to accept new circumstances. 1057595;1426744601;mircea_popescu;this is related to primate mating. 1057596;1426744612;mircea_popescu;but to the innocent eye, they just look beastly. 1057597;1426744711;asciilifeform;'Much could be said about this affliction of the mind that causes people to assume that what they do not understand does not matter, that they have reached such a level of omniscience that they no longer need to observe and listen and learn. Having learned enough, some people evidently stop learning altogether. What they learned first is the standard for everything that comes later. That the probably only _truly_ random ele 1057598;1426744711;asciilifeform;ment in anyone's life is the order in which they experience things, seems not even to be underststandable -- they somehow believe that the order they run into them is universalizable and important, that first impressions really tell you everything you need to know about something. I have seen people who have the mental capacity only for the transition from "have not experienced" to "have experienced", and who are unable to ma 1057599;1426744712;asciilifeform;ke a distinction between their observations and their conclusions, such that they are unable to change their conclusions about what they observed. They walk around like they had CD-Rs for brains.' 1057600;1426744722;asciilifeform;^ obligatory naggum, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3236870273259433@naggum.net.html 1057601;1426744722;assbot;Re: two questions about strings - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAgvkS ) 1057602;1426744734;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1057603;1426744745;mircea_popescu;so in this perspective, not knowing what the sky is makes one ignorant, not dumb. 1057604;1426744756;mircea_popescu;but correcting my usage of sky makes them dumb, and their ignorance is no excuse. 1057605;1426745011;ben_vulpes; assbot: Young Adults Are Losing All Hope of Buying a Starter Home - check it out, being a twentysomething usian kid is a worse fate than being a 20something chinese kid. << tell me about 1057606;1426745013;ben_vulpes;about it* 1057607;1426745114;ben_vulpes; five-six thousand years later you'll be launching the titanic! << this is precisely what the "domes in the outback" routine is all about 1057608;1426745650;ben_vulpes; where nothing ever seems to get constructed << oh give over, it's benign retardation 1057609;1426745671;ben_vulpes;build roads out of shit with high thermal expansion coefficients in washington dc, shit's going to crack before your eyes. 1057610;1426745674;BingoBoingo;http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/03/power-chair-riders/ 1057611;1426745675;assbot;Census Data Project Power-Chair Riders Will Outnumber Pedestrians by 2040 | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAiBkU ) 1057612;1426745771;ben_vulpes; timisoara. it thinks itself a major romanian town, but it's more like... well... portland, basically. << dude the capital of the occupied coastal territories is remarkable only for being isolated from the retardation of both california and seattle 1057613;1426745814;ben_vulpes; besides, something tells me you'll salivate after the vibe of any place that's not washington fucking dc. << no but you see "muh jaeorb" 1057614;1426745881;ben_vulpes; and just about everyone i know has some version of this << my parabolic testing facility, f'r instance. 1057615;1426746007;ben_vulpes; ^ this is solvable, albeit at astonishing cost << near you maybe. not out here in the sticks. 1057616;1426746058;ben_vulpes;the good veggies, provided you step outside of the corporate-blessed brand sanctuary and actually go to a "farmers market" or the "first permanent tent structure within city limits" are -- surprise -- cheaper than the lettuces shipped up from cali. 1057617;1426746066;ben_vulpes;which given their water problems should surprise precisely nobody. 1057618;1426746086;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes but you have to send someone to hunt these down and use them. 1057619;1426746101;ben_vulpes;http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-foundation-reaches-release/ << might be worth calling out why a static build is noteworthy 1057620;1426746102;assbot;Bitcoin Foundation Reaches Release | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAjxWg ) 1057621;1426746115;ben_vulpes;also probably i have to write an opinion piece as to what the fuck a reference implementation is for 1057622;1426746121;mircea_popescu;^ do that. 1057623;1426746128;mircea_popescu;nice editorial entry from bitcoin foundation chair. 1057624;1426746135;*;ben_vulpes sighs 1057625;1426746154;ben_vulpes;i knew when my pinky was stretching for enter that something was wrong 1057626;1426746173;ben_vulpes;sure boss you got it 1057627;1426746175;ben_vulpes;two weeks 1057628;1426746194;mircea_popescu;lmao 1057629;1426746227;mircea_popescu;writing's important yo. 1057630;1426746245;ben_vulpes; but they donÂ’t understand what the calculations are really telling them, like SearleÂ’s chinese room but with numbers. << i tried to have a conversation about amazon's quadcopter delivery system, using an ergodic analysis 1057631;1426746275;ben_vulpes;counterparty fell back to "but don't you see the value in being the company that builds out quadcopters that can actually fly shit places?" 1057632;1426746288;ben_vulpes;sideways jetpack problem 1057633;1426746290;ben_vulpes;with batteries 1057634;1426746301;ben_vulpes;i...apparently cannot argue this one effectively. 1057635;1426746327;mircea_popescu;im missing some stuff here. wut ? 1057636;1426746340;ben_vulpes;amazon, u savvy? 1057637;1426746355;ben_vulpes;up there with aapl in drop shipping. 1057638;1426746357;mircea_popescu;i know there exists a us corp by that name. it originalyl did books, then junk, now hosting. 1057639;1426746381;ben_vulpes;so they've been banging on in public about delivery of small packages by quadrotor. 1057640;1426746385;ben_vulpes;quadrotor, u savvy? 1057641;1426746394;mircea_popescu;yep, ex rf toy, meanwhile useful. 1057642;1426746408;ben_vulpes;rf? 1057643;1426746412;ben_vulpes;oh oh 1057644;1426746414;mircea_popescu;rf toys yeah. 1057645;1426746453;ben_vulpes;anyways. point i'm trying to make is that the fuel cost for putting boxes in trucks and moving them around is vastly lower than fuel costs for putting boxes on quadrotors and derping them around town. 1057646;1426746483;ben_vulpes;quadrotor not even having a glide rate so to speak, and suffering from the jetpack problem. 1057647;1426746502;ben_vulpes;(only efficient use of a jetpack is to go up as high as possible and then glide sidways as far as possible.) 1057648;1426746507;mircea_popescu;well, are you accounting for costs correctly ? 1057649;1426746524;ben_vulpes;probably not, so let's model it. 1057650;1426746530;mircea_popescu;ie, do you count what it costs to run the trucks starting with what it costs to build the roads they run on ? 1057651;1426746558;BingoBoingo; http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-foundation-reaches-release/ << might be worth calling out why a static build is noteworthy << Vessenes foundation seemed to have been doing static builds for the binaries they distribute... Needs more informed finger too elaboarate why this is different... 1057652;1426746559;assbot;Bitcoin Foundation Reaches Release | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAkDRR ) 1057653;1426746577;ben_vulpes;no but that's not actually a cost to aws business either in the glorious communist states where more dollars are simply printed to maintain infrastrucutre. 1057654;1426746602;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: a distributed binary is not the same a binary cooked up on ones own box. 1057655;1426746607;ben_vulpes;who knows what strange is in the former. 1057656;1426746620;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Sure 1057657;1426746729;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: the (national) gas tax hasn't even been bumped to account for inflation since...93? 1057658;1426746760;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes let me put it this way : trucks are an excellent midrange solution. if the distance they travel is neither too long nor too shoirt, they do fine 1057659;1426746777;mircea_popescu;(length in this impoverished model means nothing other the inverse of density : the longer the distance the lower the density) 1057660;1426746803;ben_vulpes;density of package delivery targets? 1057661;1426746805;mircea_popescu;on very short distances they suffer from high density problems (ie, if we live three blocks from each other in manhattan anything';s better than trying to ship you stuff) 1057662;1426746816;nubbins`;seems like drones are more a replacement for bike couriers than trucks 1057663;1426746827;mircea_popescu;on very long distances they suffer from low desnity problem (ie, if you want this sent 5000 miles away, odds are there's not a road leading to your destination) 1057664;1426746836;ben_vulpes;right. 1057665;1426746849;mircea_popescu;both classes of problems are being controlled atm with artificial restraints, but technology esentially means arbitrage between actual and artificial restraints. 1057666;1426746875;mircea_popescu;and mind that "more dollars are printed" does not in fact work to maintain infrastructure. 1057667;1426746878;mircea_popescu;it only seems to. 1057668;1426746887;ben_vulpes;lol the biker is aware of this. 1057669;1426746893;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1057670;1426746916;mircea_popescu;which is why one's own two legs are such valuable infrastructure, moreso than any car. 1057671;1426746922;mircea_popescu;they will get you ~anywhere~ 1057672;1426746922;ben_vulpes;nevertheless, it obviates aws/fedex/ups' obligation to invest in the road. 1057673;1426746936;mircea_popescu;so will this flying toy. 1057674;1426746941;ben_vulpes;hm. 1057675;1426746962;ben_vulpes;i'm kind of horrified at the notion that aws will outlive the usg. 1057676;1426746968;mircea_popescu;definitely will. 1057677;1426746974;mircea_popescu;not sure if amazon aws per se, but yes. 1057678;1426746983;ben_vulpes;well aws -> amazon 1057679;1426746989;mircea_popescu;you know what i mean. 1057680;1426746996;ben_vulpes;and you i i think 1057681;1426747001;mircea_popescu;no ? 1057682;1426747016;ben_vulpes;the dropshipper. 1057683;1426747021;ben_vulpes;not the shared hosting company. 1057684;1426747038;mircea_popescu;even so. look at it this way : zimmerman died, his pgp still in use. 1057685;1426747046;mircea_popescu;satoshi idem, his bitcoin etc. 1057686;1426747064;ben_vulpes;yeah but bezos? 1057687;1426747073;ben_vulpes;amazon baffles me. 1057688;1426747075;ben_vulpes;they make no money. 1057689;1426747094;mircea_popescu;they make corpses. 1057690;1426747096;ben_vulpes;require vast orchestration overhead to survive. not like pgp and bitcoin. 1057691;1426747102;mircea_popescu;making corpses is a surer way to power than making money. 1057692;1426747108;mircea_popescu;so, after what happened to b&n... 1057693;1426747117;ben_vulpes;huh 1057694;1426747142;ben_vulpes;better be long amazon than basically anyone else in the atoms biz in the us. 1057695;1426747156;ben_vulpes;not so much long amazon as short everyone else. 1057696;1426747173;mircea_popescu;exactly :) 1057697;1426747194;mircea_popescu;you now understand finance! 1057698;1426747207;mircea_popescu;you don't buy X because it's good, you buy it because it'll outlive everyone else, shitty as it is. 1057699;1426747209;ben_vulpes;lol let's not get ahead of ourselves now 1057700;1426747218;mircea_popescu;hence the importance of making corpses. 1057701;1426747221;ben_vulpes;right. 1057702;1426747227;mircea_popescu;the more companies you kill, the more you're it. 1057703;1426747231;ben_vulpes;well this has been enlightening 1057704;1426747247;ben_vulpes;i'm going to focus on murder and mayhem for my shartup business plan 1057705;1426747271;mircea_popescu;win. 1057706;1426747275;ben_vulpes;and in the meantime, i'm going long this girl. 1057707;1426747277;ben_vulpes;nite! 1057708;1426748788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61759 @ 0.00029317 = 18.1059 BTC [-] 1057709;1426748971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00029069 = 1.4098 BTC [-] 1057710;1426749947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00029317 = 4.5735 BTC [+] 1057711;1426752753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133312 @ 0.0002906 = 38.7405 BTC [-] {3} 1057712;1426752804;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 84.21557126 BTC. Current weight: 89,057. 1057713;1426754888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87400 @ 0.00029388 = 25.6851 BTC [+] {2} 1057714;1426756779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53800 @ 0.00029903 = 16.0878 BTC [+] {2} 1057715;1426756962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85000 @ 0.00030324 = 25.7754 BTC [+] 1057716;1426757511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92450 @ 0.00030115 = 27.8413 BTC [-] {2} 1057717;1426760744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8337 @ 0.00029845 = 2.4882 BTC [-] {2} 1057718;1426761110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00029018 = 4.875 BTC [-] 1057719;1426762391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.0002916 = 12.4805 BTC [+] 1057720;1426762934;jurov;;;later tell mircea_popescu deposit pls. and no dividends yet? 1057721;1426762934;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1057722;1426763312;jurov;oh and btw 1057723;1426763377;jurov;;later tell mircea_popescu the fees for new mpex accounts go to publicly known addy? if it's secret, why? 1057724;1426763380;jurov;;;later tell mircea_popescu the fees for new mpex accounts go to publicly known addy? if it's secret, why? 1057725;1426763380;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1057726;1426765319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61057 @ 0.00028971 = 17.6888 BTC [-] {2} 1057727;1426765380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62003 @ 0.00028962 = 17.9573 BTC [-] 1057728;1426765624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.0002916 = 7.2608 BTC [+] 1057729;1426766530;danielpbarron;http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/part/III 1057730;1426766531;assbot;Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8TH6f ) 1057731;1426766562;danielpbarron;(3) A disclosure requirement in respect of any protected information is necessary on grounds falling within this subsection if it is necessary-- 1057732;1426766573;danielpbarron;(c) in the interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom. 1057733;1426766584;danielpbarron;re: private keys ^ 1057734;1426766681;danielpbarron;also, http://betanews.com/2015/03/16/mozilla-approves-nazi-themed-anti-feminism-firefox-extension/ 1057735;1426766682;assbot; Mozilla approves Nazi-themed, anti-feminism Firefox extension [Update] ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8U40H ) 1057736;1426766712;davout;jurov: by default they should come with the first deposit according to the FAQ, so to the deposit address 1057737;1426766719;danielpbarron;"It's offensive. While feminism is a movement that aims to make the world a better place by promoting equality, nazism is a movement which is linked to one of the darkest periods in history" << lol "darkest periods" 1057738;1426766745;davout;i recall it being mentioned that this was only the "default" deposit address, too lazy to !s it 1057739;1426766785;danielpbarron;The Chrome counterpart "Turns SJW nonsense into pro-Nazi propaganda. Changes words such as 'Men' into 'Jews' to make any radical feminist post sound like something straight out of Hitler's mouth!", claims its developer in the description. 1057740;1426766895;davout;lulzy 1057741;1426767311;danielpbarron;!up danyalos_ 1057742;1426767452;danielpbarron;!up Asa9t1 1057743;1426767573;danyalos_;danielpbarron thx for the up and for the tw follow. At first, I thought you were here in BA. 1057744;1426767605;Asa9t1;hello sir 1057745;1426767622;danielpbarron;lol nope 1057746;1426767636;danielpbarron;hi Asa9t1, what brings you here? 1057747;1426767666;Asa9t1;just checking out freenode again. i spent time here back in 11 & 12 1057748;1426767675;danielpbarron;grade? 1057749;1426767680;Asa9t1;years 1057750;1426767684;Asa9t1;2011 2012 1057751;1426767684;danielpbarron;lol :D 1057752;1426767723;danielpbarron;wait was this channel a thing in 2011? 1057753;1426767741;Asa9t1;id have to check my logs tbh 1057754;1426767747;Asa9t1;I could be off 1057755;1426767755;Asa9t1;but on diff system 1057756;1426767840;danielpbarron;you're probably right, it's just pre- public logs 1057757;1426767875;Asa9t1;i mostly idle 1057758;1426767886;Asa9t1;im an expert lurker 1057759;1426767893;Asa9t1;:D 1057760;1426767906;Asa9t1;im shy 1057761;1426767921;danielpbarron;you're doing a terrible job; I got you to talk immediately 1057762;1426767943;Asa9t1;i was impressed i was voiced right away 1057763;1426767951;Asa9t1;then i wondered if it was a bot who auto voiced 1057764;1426767962;danielpbarron;do you GPG? 1057765;1426767986;Asa9t1;oh shit Ive forgotten how to do it 1057766;1426768000;Asa9t1;on on a diff system 1057767;1426768007;danielpbarron;http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/ 1057768;1426768008;assbot;Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8XNeP ) 1057769;1426768011;Asa9t1;was hooked up to that bot who wot I hink 1057770;1426768018;danielpbarron;gribble? 1057771;1426768031;Asa9t1;that was the bot for bitcoin 1057772;1426768034;Asa9t1;yes 1057773;1426768038;danielpbarron;what username? 1057774;1426768043;Asa9t1;asa1024 1057775;1426768050;chetty;hola b-a 1057776;1426768051;danielpbarron;!gettrust asa1024 1057777;1426768051;assbot;asa1024 is not registered in WoT. 1057778;1426768062;Asa9t1;i was hooked up to something 1057779;1426768071;danielpbarron;;;gettrust asa1024 1057780;1426768072;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user asa1024: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=asa1024 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asa1024 | Rated since: Sun Sep 30 09:16:52 2012 1057781;1426768085;danielpbarron;ah, you must have authenticated via bitcoin address 1057782;1426768103;danielpbarron;assbot goes by GPG only 1057783;1426768108;Asa9t1;i had to use the bitcoin program 1057784;1426768113;danielpbarron;you would have been in there if you had a key registered 1057785;1426768125;Asa9t1;but ive forgotten how to do it 1057786;1426768147;Asa9t1;that system of mine is history for that 1057787;1426768153;Asa9t1;i had a dedicated system for my wallet 1057788;1426768180;Asa9t1;but I didn 1057789;1426768188;danielpbarron;does that mean you have piles of bitcoin that you bought for nothing? 1057790;1426768194;funkenstein_;Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 <-- translation please? 1057791;1426768195;Asa9t1;but i didnt do anything major til last year 1057792;1426768215;Asa9t1;not anymore 1057793;1426768221;Asa9t1;:D 1057794;1426768236;danielpbarron;funkenstein_, in the UK it's the law/becoming law that you can be compelled to give up your private key in the interest of "protecting the economy" 1057795;1426768290;funkenstein_;so theft is legal then? cool 1057796;1426768319;chetty;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/18/us-britain-budget-digital-currencies-idUSKBN0ME1XD20150318 1057797;1426768320;assbot; In boon for bitcoin, UK to regulate digital currency exchanges| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8YwMO ) 1057798;1426768354;funkenstein_;compelled, does that have a UK legal meaning? 1057799;1426768356;danielpbarron;!s rogue state 1057800;1426768357;assbot;11 results for 'rogue state' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rogue+state 1057801;1426768408;funkenstein_;excellent. I hope Mr. UK does a good job of making sure there is one block every 10 minutes 1057802;1426768430;danielpbarron;oh idk if they use that word, but it seems to mean that if they think you know the key and refuse to tell them, you are a criminal and can be arrested as such 1057803;1426768524;danielpbarron;some guy got held up in Canadian customs recently, had to type in his laptops password so they could "look for kiddie porn" 1057804;1426768584;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/ax330d/status/577974209084674048 1057805;1426768586;assbot;I was detained by CBSA, required to give passwords for all my devices. They wanted to "inspect" devices in some closed room. [1/5] 1057806;1426768644;funkenstein_;well at least these folks are clear that they are nazis, we have warning 1057807;1426768853;funkenstein_;but they already convinced me of that with "papers please" 1057808;1426769114;chetty;The Treasury further announced on Wednesday a new research initiative on digital currency technology, and said it would inject an additional 10 million pounds ($14.66 million) into the area. It will work with the British Standards Association to develop a set of standards that will protect consumers, it said. 1057809;1426769200;danielpbarron;!up danyalos_ 1057810;1426769284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.0002916 = 7.7711 BTC [+] 1057811;1426769587;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057736 << have you looked on the 1Fx addy? that would mean no new accounts since november 1057812;1426769587;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:12; davout: jurov: by default they should come with the first deposit according to the FAQ, so to the deposit address 1057813;1426769657;davout;jurov: i have not 1057814;1426770156;kakobrekla;thats an interesting question. 1057815;1426770870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74200 @ 0.00028962 = 21.4898 BTC [-] 1057816;1426771227;danielpbarron;height=286885 vs height=212663 1057817;1426773127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105942 @ 0.00028948 = 30.6681 BTC [-] {2} 1057818;1426773493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74350 @ 0.00028835 = 21.4388 BTC [-] {3} 1057819;1426774639;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 33(Y):67(N) by coin, 34(Y):66(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.75645355 BTC. Current weight: 93,873. 1057820;1426774801;danielpbarron;today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting 1057821;1426774944;chetty; today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting//was that on purpose or an oops? 1057822;1426774956;danielpbarron;now that i think about it, it's a feature 1057823;1426774980;danielpbarron;like a recovery method for when your system gets broken 1057824;1426775009;danielpbarron;just seems counter intuitive seeing as how i'd normally have to specify the boot device before the kernel even loads 1057825;1426775067;danielpbarron;also, the installed kernel can be used to install 1057826;1426775079;danielpbarron;that makes sense actually; why wouldn't it 1057827;1426775218;danielpbarron;oh i also learned that "ofwboot" has to go into an MSDOS partition at the beginning of the drive, and it has to be FAT32 (not FAT16) 1057828;1426775263;danielpbarron;for some reason this particular machine had it as 16 -- easily fixed by running newfs_msdos over it 1057829;1426775307;danielpbarron;i think this only applies if you're installing on a mac 1057830;1426775348;danielpbarron;it's the mac equiv of grub or something 1057831;1426775349;funkenstein_;is openbsd the only reason to have an optical drive? 1057832;1426775370;danielpbarron;huh? no -- I usually install from USB 1057833;1426775386;danielpbarron;i like having an offcial release cd for verifying downloads 1057834;1426775426;funkenstein_;i had trouble with usb last i tried, i will try again 1057835;1426775427;danielpbarron;and it's nice to have the cd for machines that can't boot usb for whatever reason 1057836;1426775484;danielpbarron;i think it's as simple as using 'dd' to write cd56.iso to the stick 1057837;1426775866;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.9996 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 87.31517126 BTC. Current weight: 88,773. 1057838;1426776017;mod6;http://openssl.org/news/secadv_20150319.txt 1057839;1426776018;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B579hw ) 1057840;1426776319;danielpbarron;OpenSSL 1.0.1 users should upgrade to 1.0.1k. << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2015#972210 1057841;1426776319;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2015 19:09:16; mircea_popescu: xiando: I thought I'd mention that openssl 1.0.1k apparently breaks bitcoin-core << this, of coruse, was discussed for the past few days :) 1057842;1426776407;danielpbarron;http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06685.html 1057843;1426776408;assbot;[Bitcoin-development] OpenSSL 1.0.0p / 1.0.1k incompatible,causes blockchain rejection. ... ( http://bit.ly/1B59bhG ) 1057844;1426776750;mats;anyone have recommendations for USB drives with hw write switch? 1057845;1426777515;asciilifeform;mats: USB drives with hw write switch << i do not know of any commercially-available items which fit this description (you will find switches on a few, but they are merely a 'polite request' to the host machine) 1057846;1426777602;asciilifeform;mats: if you desperately need this, the popular hobbyist 'arm' dev board 'beaglebone' features a usb slave controller and comes with code example. wire up on the the gpio pins to a toggle switch and you have your drive. 1057847;1426777657;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 88.31517126 BTC. Current weight: 88,751. 1057848;1426777934;mats;sigh 1057849;1426777946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121150 @ 0.00028691 = 34.7591 BTC [-] {3} 1057850;1426778077;danielpbarron;ok maybe i just messed something up, now this thing reboots into installer with no cd 1057851;1426778120;danielpbarron;it booted correctly after i took cd out, now it reboots into installer 1057852;1426778123;*;danielpbarron scratches head 1057853;1426778585;lobbes;http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/politics/obama-mandatory-voting/index.html << So dumb. Yes, let's force the uninformed masses to contribute to the problem 1057854;1426778586;assbot;Obama: Maybe it's time for mandatory voting - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxdpKi ) 1057855;1426778617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85682 @ 0.0002916 = 24.9849 BTC [+] 1057856;1426778643;nubbins`;asciilifeform:ben_vulpes: where i went it was the 'credit-hour' <<< same, standard 3h/wk course was 3 credit hours 1057857;1426778653;nubbins`;some labs were 2! 1057858;1426778697;nubbins`;BingoBoingo:BitBet is the greatest provider of insurance BTC has ever seen <<< ah, maybe. there are others? 1057859;1426778713;nubbins`;it certainly can provide interesting hedging opportunities 1057860;1426778992;lobbes;Slowly, I'm starting to understand/absorb the reasoning in: trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense 1057861;1426779044;asciilifeform;Obama: Maybe it's time for mandatory voting << mega-soviet-lulz 1057862;1426779048;nubbins`;asciilifeform:phun phact (also noted by al) - fella who holds the 'stop' sign all day makes 2x what a typical postdoc makes. <<< fella w/ the sign is also arguably providing more value for the $ 1057863;1426779075;nubbins`;that said, holding the stop sign all day is no fun. can't listen to headphones, gotta stand up! 1057864;1426779102;nubbins`;"but it's 40C outside" "so?" 1057865;1426779898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25703 @ 0.0002916 = 7.495 BTC [+] 1057866;1426780020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46434 @ 0.0002941 = 13.6562 BTC [+] {3} 1057867;1426780461;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/xfce.txt << for anyone who wants a nice simple desktop environment on their OpenBSD machine 1057868;1426780462;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FF8EJG ) 1057869;1426781179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179600 @ 0.00028593 = 51.353 BTC [-] {3} 1057870;1426781318;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 34.77616637 BTC. Current weight: 26,386. 1057871;1426781745;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: you compiled against libressl, right? 1057872;1426781911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73900 @ 0.00028485 = 21.0504 BTC [-] {2} 1057873;1426782790;danielpbarron;http://www.csoonline.com/article/2898128/disaster-recovery/godaddy-accounts-vulnerable-to-social-engineering-and-photoshop.html 1057874;1426782792;assbot;GoDaddy accounts vulnerable to social engineering and Photoshop | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNsc0v ) 1057875;1426782826;danielpbarron;While this conversation was taking place, Mr. Troia's daughter was making noise while playing. This background distraction created just the setting needed for Mr. Troia to push his social engineering scheme. 1057876;1426782887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00028472 = 4.584 BTC [-] 1057877;1426783259;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/WorldBitcoinNet/status/578569077867868160 1057878;1426783261;assbot;Sure smart contracts may replace lawyers, but because they're 'smart' you can't break the law either, so you'll need fewer police. 1057879;1426783264;nubbins`;what? 1057880;1426783827;trinque;mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: I enjoyed reading last night's convo on amazon and what finance is. 1057881;1426783867;trinque;my both immediate and long-term strategy has been to identify markets where the software has languished, and to raid the space with something built well 1057882;1426783906;fluffypony;nubbins`: the smart contract must magically be able to solve self-disputes 1057883;1426783917;fluffypony;it's smart, you know 1057884;1426783935;nubbins`;ah. 1057885;1426783945;nubbins`;"because they're smart you can't break the law" 1057886;1426783980;nubbins`;i'm curious to know if this idiot had a broken example in mind, or if he just mashed words together 1057887;1426783990;nubbins`;hoping it'd make sense 1057888;1426784011;kakobrekla;shouldn't those be called more like 'computable contracts' or whatever 1057889;1426784020;kakobrekla;cause you can still make em pretty dumb 1057890;1426784023;nubbins`;^ 1057891;1426784039;nubbins`;no, they're smart because they prevent you from, say, stealing a bag of candy 1057892;1426784050;nubbins`;or from walking away with everyone's btc 1057893;1426784051;nubbins`;(somehow) 1057894;1426784153;fluffypony;kakobrekla is right 1057895;1426784156;fluffypony;I mean it's good in theory 1057896;1426784161;fluffypony;like I buy a domain from you 1057897;1426784165;fluffypony;and we use a smart contract 1057898;1426784176;fluffypony;the fulfillment is easy 1057899;1426784183;fluffypony;fulfilment 1057900;1426784193;fluffypony;and it can observe the exchange and you get your money 1057901;1426784198;danielpbarron;he's probably referring to some thing where both parties put up bitcoin collateral in an escrow controlled by "the block chain" 1057902;1426784209;fluffypony;lol 1057903;1426784235;nubbins`;danielpbarron that's the sense i get. 1057904;1426784249;nubbins`;like bitcoin itself somehow handles automatic disbursement of funds when arbitrary conditions are met 1057905;1426784251;danielpbarron;if pushed he'd probably have to admit that there would be "trusted 3rd parties" who vote on whether the event happened or not 1057906;1426784261;ben_vulpes;trinque: it was pretty illuminating to me as well 1057907;1426784270;fluffypony;MasterNodes 1057908;1426784270;fluffypony;:-P 1057909;1426784279;danielpbarron;probably yet another thing better managed by bitbet 1057910;1426784303;trinque;ben_vulpes: indeed, that making corpses bit, "ahhhhh, yes" 1057911;1426784308;*;danielpbarron bets a small insurance amount on 'No' for "Amazon will deliver my book on time" 1057912;1426784351;*;nubbins` creates a complicated bet designed to milk value out of his s.mg warrant 1057913;1426784386;danielpbarron;actually that's a bad bet because how can i prove it? and that's why smart contracts are retarded 1057914;1426784499;nubbins`;@eris_ltd So you're saying better locks & thick walls don't lower crime? If so, should we lock our doors at all? Smart contracts = locks. 1057915;1426784500;nubbins`;lel. 1057916;1426784584;nubbins`;SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY, LIKE, TOTALLY SAYING THAT THICKER WALLS DON'T PREVENT CRIME? 1057917;1426784593;nubbins`;what in the 1057918;1426784611;nubbins`;So you're saying that ham sandwiches with lettuce aren't an integral part of smart contracts? 1057919;1426784615;danielpbarron;i've see that guy before; he makes youtube videos for dumb people 1057920;1426784639;danielpbarron;stuff that should be a blog post but instead he films it 1057921;1426784674;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: do you have a blog? 1057922;1426784767;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: re: youtube videos for dumb people << i've started thinking because Videos are much easier to consume than words, dumb people are more attracted to it cause they can "watch it" instead of "read it" 1057923;1426784793;danielpbarron;https://youtu.be/I1uefzJJ6nM?t=8m10s 1057924;1426784795;assbot;Bitcoin 101 - Intro to Paper Wallets & Cold Storage - Bitcoin Security & Fun with Sloppy Wallets - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjlPP3 ) 1057925;1426784807;danielpbarron;first result on youtube for "paper wallet bitcoin" 1057926;1426784837;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, nope 1057927;1426784876;danielpbarron;i don't know what i would blog about 1057928;1426784888;danielpbarron;i don't have many original ideas 1057929;1426785055;ben_vulpes;your pogo saga's a good start 1057930;1426785059;ben_vulpes;or would be 1057931;1426785120;ben_vulpes;anyone know about issetugid on debian? 1057932;1426785269;ben_vulpes;or lol *any* linux? 1057933;1426785998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00028472 = 6.9756 BTC [-] 1057934;1426787660;mod6;is anyone working on porting over the original submitted deeds to the new deedbot? 1057935;1426787747;trinque;mod6: I've got 'em from punkman, have not had time to throw them in yet 1057936;1426787776;trinque;I will try to block some time for deedbot hax this week 1057937;1426787784;trinque;I have a list of feature requests on it too 1057938;1426788084;mod6;ah, ok cool. :] 1057939;1426788103;mod6;at least there are back-ups of the originals. 1057940;1426788316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64411 @ 0.00028396 = 18.2901 BTC [-] {4} 1057941;1426788377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8189 @ 0.00028281 = 2.3159 BTC [-] 1057942;1426789048;jurov;!t m s.mpoe 1057943;1426789048;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00028281 / 0.00029355 / 0.00030324 (4406264 shares, 1,293.46 BTC), 7D: 0.00028281 / 0.00032012 / 0.00036181 (29116700 shares, 9,320.84 BTC), 30D: 0.00028281 / 0.00036658 / 0.00048515 (83965044 shares, 30,780.34 BTC) 1057944;1426789058;jurov;!t m s.qntr 1057945;1426789058;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 (9477 shares, 2.00 BTC), 30D: 0.00021105 / 0.00027001 / 0.000301 (59040 shares, 15.94 BTC) 1057946;1426789069;jurov;!mpif 1057947;1426789070;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021375 B (Total: 467.44 B). Delta: 0.31 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] 1057948;1426789330;lobbes;asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165 << thank you for this introduction on the writings of Naggum. Likewise, I feel it is my duty to spend the next decade learning Common Lisp 1057949;1426789332;assbot;Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCcnRt ) 1057950;1426789424;lobbes;I tell you, I've learned more in this channel in a year than I did my entire 4 years of college/university 1057951;1426789453;lobbes;and I didn't have to pay $40k 1057952;1426789790;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1057953;1426789812;ascii_field;lobbes: glad to hear you liked it. 1057954;1426790334;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: you compiled against libressl, right? << Yeah 1057955;1426790365;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo:BitBet is the greatest provider of insurance BTC has ever seen <<< ah, maybe. there are others? << X.EUR (more limited scope) and Usagi (megalol) 1057956;1426790393;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: what platform did you use? OpenBSD? 1057957;1426790517;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Yeah, and LibreSSL 2.0 1057958;1426791617;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1057959;1426793167;mike_c;well, there was also MPOE 1057960;1426793182;mike_c;although it didn't have LEAPs 1057961;1426793803;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1057962;1426794233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00028499 = 16.6434 BTC [+] 1057963;1426794255;jurov;!up Xuthus 1057964;1426794407;mircea_popescu;jurov a ty 1057965;1426794439;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: and Usagi (megalol) << "Usagi the insurer" along with "Kludge the banker" and others 1057966;1426794524;mircea_popescu;jurov you know it only just confirmed a few hours ago! 1057967;1426794566;jurov;i'm doing it preemptively 1057968;1426794579;mircea_popescu;lol 1057969;1426794605;jurov;in the past i have waited for deposits to clear themselves, usually did not happen 1057970;1426794737;jurov;and now looks like dividends have to be requested, too... 1057971;1426794904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69850 @ 0.00028762 = 20.0903 BTC [+] {3} 1057972;1426794965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 146.76667746 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 29 satoshi per share 1057973;1426794994;mircea_popescu;i've formed a psychological aversion to dividends because i keep fucking the sums up ;/ 1057974;1426795015;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/36YFP5T.txt 1057975;1426795016;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19DjtjA ) 1057976;1426795024;mircea_popescu;!up deedbot- 1057977;1426795027;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/36YFP5T.txt 1057978;1426795027;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19DjrYW ) 1057979;1426795032;mircea_popescu;sigh 1057980;1426795102;mircea_popescu;trinque : a) could deedbot be registered so it autovoices ; b) could the website be edited so as to be arranged as discussed ; c) could the syntax of this thing be fixed so i can actually use it! 1057981;1426795135;trinque;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/36YFP5T.txt 1057982;1426795136;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19DjJ22 ) 1057983;1426795136;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1057984;1426795170;mircea_popescu;danke. but rly, add-deed is spurious, it should just presume it if a naked url is presented. and i hate those : 1057985;1426795180;trinque;mircea_popescu: yep, told mod6 above I'm going to try to work on it this week 1057986;1426795185;mircea_popescu;mostly because autofill adds a space then i have to delete it etc. serves no purpose either. 1057987;1426795190;mircea_popescu;ah ok hadn't gone through logs yet. 1057988;1426795191;trinque;the : might be deeper in the bot than the plugin code 1057989;1426795214;mircea_popescu;just sed 1057990;1426795222;mircea_popescu;just sed 's/://' over the codebase 1057991;1426795226;mircea_popescu;what's the worst that can happen! 1057992;1426795237;trinque;haha, surely that will work 1057993;1426795267;trinque;but yeah, totally agree on the feedback so far, just balancing increased IRL load-average 1057994;1426795276;mircea_popescu;what do you do irl anyway ? 1057995;1426795299;trinque;make ordering app-things for restaurants 1057996;1426795303;trinque;shartup 1057997;1426795312;mircea_popescu;somehow something tells me this sucks. 1057998;1426795315;mircea_popescu;!rated trinque 1057999;1426795315;assbot;You rated user trinque on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation. 1058000;1426795317;thestringpuller;oh yea enterprise retail managment 1058001;1426795335;mircea_popescu;!rare trinque 2 Balancing increased IRL load-average! 1058002;1426795335;thestringpuller;!rated mircea_popescu 1058003;1426795335;assbot;You rated user mircea_popescu on 01-Mar-2013, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: upgraded to mah nigga. 1058004;1426795341;mircea_popescu;!rate trinque 2 Balancing increased IRL load-average! 1058005;1426795341;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/bda868739a6a9e63 1058006;1426795356;trinque;mircea_popescu: I am doing the work of about 5 regular code-monkeys 1058007;1426795366;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.trinque.2:83bd96c94c9f5b079148413fb831bb5be8a9354344140ef0d01bf274b81c4eab 1058008;1426795366;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 1 to 2 with note: Balancing increased IRL load-average! 1058009;1426795366;trinque;we're a 2 and a half person startup, finally gaining speed 1058010;1426795369;trinque;and ty for the rate 1058011;1426795374;thestringpuller;trinque: hire co-ops at half price :D 1058012;1426795380;mircea_popescu;only took like a year o.O 1058013;1426795394;mircea_popescu;dude srsly, we had that spacestation gayness convo A YEAR AGO ? 1058014;1426795403;trinque;lol, apparently so 1058015;1426795407;mircea_popescu;foundain of fucking youth : sit in b-a all day, everything will have happened coupla weeks ago. 1058016;1426795470;trinque;despite load average I could not resist being even a meager part of this place. 1058017;1426795538;trinque;mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/14zzR9FfAZFEUxPAGrFoDAQDhEeiEpYtG5 1058018;1426795539;assbot;Bitcoin Address 14zzR9FfAZFEUxPAGrFoDAQDhEeiEpYtG5 ... ( http://bit.ly/19DkF6v ) 1058019;1426795605;mod6;is that the funding addr for deedbot? 1058020;1426795608;mircea_popescu;wassat ? 1058021;1426795628;trinque;that's the spend for what'll be your bundle shortly 1058022;1426795642;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1058023;1426795647;thestringpuller;?!? 1058024;1426795652;mircea_popescu;ic. 1058025;1426795665;ascii_field;semi-automat 1058026;1426795666;thestringpuller;there are two asciilifeform 's ? 1058027;1426795674;mircea_popescu;oh and d) make a deed stating what deedbot does, who's maintaining it, what addy it takes for funding etc. 1058028;1426795695;trinque;fo sho 1058029;1426795726;mircea_popescu;an' something more spanish http://40.media.tumblr.com/b0b36b3bf037077c28002f7deb95deac/tumblr_mujcujfepM1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg 1058030;1426795727;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19Dl6hf ) 1058031;1426795819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55808 @ 0.00028885 = 16.1201 BTC [+] 1058032;1426795862;trinque;lol @ the face of mischief 1058033;1426796326;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057732 << yeah, they figure they can pass laws substantially going "if we need your money you must give it to us" and that'll do anything more than dissolve the uk as a legal entity. 1058034;1426796326;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 12:02:53; danielpbarron: (c) in the interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom. 1058035;1426796367;ascii_field;what i don't get is why they even bother signaling intent to do this with 'laws' 1058036;1426796386;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057737 << technically correct : a period they know least about would be dark. 1058037;1426796386;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:19; danielpbarron: "It's offensive. While feminism is a movement that aims to make the world a better place by promoting equality, nazism is a movement which is linked to one of the darkest periods in history" << lol "darkest periods" 1058038;1426796401;mircea_popescu;ascii_field because they're not actually tyhinking 1058039;1426796565;ascii_field;ah, britain, the home of the peine forte et dure - perfect for recalcitrant kulaks clinging to keys... 1058040;1426796576;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer. 1058041;1426796576;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:45; davout: i recall it being mentioned that this was only the "default" deposit address, too lazy to !s it 1058042;1426796636;mircea_popescu;ascii_field maybe i'm veering into insanity by now, but i tell you honestly, i wouldn't give it to them if the whole country fucking sunk for it. 1058043;1426796654;mircea_popescu;finally a chance to exercise that fiat justitia, pereat mundi thing, and entirely within one's own hand. how to pass such a thing ? 1058044;1426796792;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron anyway, nazism also aimed to make the wortld a better place. this is indisputable. and it also aimed to do this by empowering a subgroup at the expense of other subgroups, which it perceived , falsely, as oppressive. the identity between internet feminism and fascism is quite indisputable. 1058045;1426796819;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: this is why i made the panel switches removable. easy installation of pull ring for zap toggle. 1058046;1426796824;mircea_popescu;jews have all the money and power, men have all the money and power, jews have secret conspiracies to keep aryans down, men have secret conspiracies to keep womyn down, real aryans wouldn't fuck jews, real womyn wouldn't fuck men, 1058047;1426796833;mircea_popescu;it's exactly the same thing, for a new, and "dark" generation. 1058048;1426796850;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nah, i wouldn't destreoy it. 1058049;1426796854;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i would like the 'pulling the pin' concept to get some traction 1058050;1426796861;mircea_popescu;it must stay there, forever, inaccessible. let em fucking twitch in agony. 1058051;1426796861;ascii_field;and naturally you don't destroy -only- copy 1058052;1426796874;mircea_popescu;well then what do you destroy ? 1058053;1426796879;ascii_field;just the one you happen to have on person when besieged 1058054;1426796899;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1058055;1426796901;mircea_popescu;why ? 1058056;1426796915;ascii_field;because enemy will assume it, regardless of whether the case or not 1058057;1426796923;ascii_field;so may as well. you still need the cyanide 1058058;1426796946;mircea_popescu;... 1058059;1426796954;*;ascii_field not expert game-theorist, but this point seems pretty clear 1058060;1426796956;mircea_popescu;since when is what X will asume our point of interest ? 1058061;1426796963;mircea_popescu;well so if it's clear clarify it! 1058062;1426796972;ascii_field;well, the torture chamber is a kind of game-theoretical playground 1058063;1426796992;mircea_popescu;and i don't intend to give them THAT easy way out either. let em fucking work for their keep. what, keep me in prison for fifty years ? cool. 1058064;1426797001;mircea_popescu;people usually have to pay for that sort of security. 1058065;1426797106;ascii_field;i won't pontificate on whether the past century of usg work on tortures, dope, etc. came to anything, but this is more or less the kind of situation it was all ultimately waiting for, to try. 1058066;1426797157;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron : Sep 24 21:32:22 send them moar porn! that should keep them busy for awhile! ( 2012) 1058067;1426797187;mircea_popescu;Sep 23 15:47:49 oh my << kakobrekla's friend too :D 1058068;1426797198;ascii_field;quite possibly 'raytheon' or the like is even now marketing a fully-automatic ecdsa rectothermocryptoanalyzer. 1058069;1426797205;mircea_popescu;yaya. 1058070;1426797207;ascii_field;comes with two ends: one goes in arse, 1058071;1426797213;ascii_field;other is key for user. 1058072;1426797220;ascii_field;well, 'patient' 1058073;1426797254;ascii_field;no need to involve a professional 1058074;1426797260;ascii_field;who can be bribed or bought 1058075;1426797262;mircea_popescu;and this will work, because reality is fan fiction and any nonsense can happen. 1058076;1426797270;ascii_field;who said it'll work 1058077;1426797276;ascii_field;just that it'll be sold. 1058078;1426797281;mircea_popescu;well its mere existence. so who made these ? robots ? 1058079;1426797283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123200 @ 0.00028511 = 35.1256 BTC [-] {3} 1058080;1426797294;ascii_field;same folks who make the rest of the usg toybox 1058081;1426797299;mircea_popescu;who ordered them made and what's his faith based on that he won't be the first they'll be tried on ? 1058082;1426797303;mircea_popescu;right. 1058083;1426797310;ascii_field;phalaris's bull! 1058084;1426797312;ascii_field;moo. 1058085;1426797316;mircea_popescu;ie, the same usg that gets killed with the weapons it made and gave away. 1058086;1426797403;ascii_field;anyway i bring it up because it seems almost certain to be tried. cryptoanalysis is the one kind of peine forte et dure where answer can be instantly verified by machine. so torment can be very efficient - for slow, 'humane' variant, just put it on the door lock 1058087;1426797413;ascii_field;for quick - rectothermics. anything in between, also. 1058088;1426797444;mircea_popescu;you misread the incentives tho. 1058089;1426797461;mircea_popescu;your ideas work in this situation where the usg is "the universe" and the guy it torments just a guy. 1058090;1426797466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40509 @ 0.00029648 = 12.0101 BTC [+] {2} 1058091;1426797470;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1058092;1426797476;mircea_popescu;the situation is that some guys are trying to torment the universe. this is dysfunctional as a plan. 1058093;1426797485;ascii_field;not everybody's zoya kosmodemyanskaya and dies silent partizan 1058094;1426797495;mircea_popescu;but that was not this. 1058095;1426797514;mircea_popescu;think for a second of the "antisocial struggle" example : every shot cop costs the state millions, and the shooter a bullet. 1058096;1426797524;ascii_field;germany was also not 'the universe' 1058097;1426797524;mircea_popescu;the situation isn't magically changed just because we're no longer shooting. 1058098;1426797527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17877 @ 0.00029778 = 5.3234 BTC [+] 1058099;1426797531;ascii_field;but this didn't save the girl 1058100;1426797533;mircea_popescu;every anything you propose costs the usg way more than it costs you. 1058101;1426797544;mircea_popescu;like, one year in prison ? costs you nothing, costs them 100k or w/e it is. 1058102;1426797551;mircea_popescu;and it costs real actual value, not dollars. 1058103;1426797551;mircea_popescu;so... 1058104;1426797554;mircea_popescu;by all means. 1058105;1426797572;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what does it mean "to be saved" ? 1058106;1426797580;ascii_field;see, the rectoanalyzer will not be used by conventional 'daylight' usg, no 1058107;1426797581;mircea_popescu;i surmise you don't use it in the christian sense, but what do you mean by it ? 1058108;1426797593;mircea_popescu;o, right. it will be used by soemthing that doesn't actually exist ? 1058109;1426797595;ascii_field;it'll be used by folks with the access to the prisoner and some plausible cover 1058110;1426797602;mircea_popescu;(by which i mean : has teh physical characteristics of inexistence) 1058111;1426797611;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and who will believe their cover ? 1058112;1426797625;ascii_field;why so certain that this is an impossible or even unlikely scenario ? 1058113;1426797629;mircea_popescu;people mostly don't believe the usg statements in the case of ulbricht. what when they're actually made up ? 1058114;1426797660;mircea_popescu;because your description of this entity has more in common with that which doesn't exist than with that which does, and so parsimoniously it doesn't exist. 1058115;1426797672;ascii_field;ulbricht, say, will be listed as 'dead of prison buggery hiv+' in his papers. but in actuality will sit down on this auto-electric-anthill at langley 1058116;1426797694;mircea_popescu;anyway, back on the "salvation" angle : is the doctor who cures your cancer savbing you ? suppose you die coming out of the hospital run over by a bus. what salvation ? 1058117;1426797699;ascii_field;or is mircea_popescu proposing that this is -EV for the folks involved 1058118;1426797733;ascii_field;by 'save' meant the banal fact that to prisoner, his captors may as well be 'the universe' 1058119;1426797734;mircea_popescu;i am saying two things. one is that your model of "folks involved" is actually inconsistent. the other is that for any consistent model, the -ev is so pronounced as to make any other alternative rationally preferable. 1058120;1426797748;mircea_popescu;but this banal fact is not a fact. 1058121;1426797749;ascii_field;it did not help warsaw rebellion that ru tanks were 2hrs away 1058122;1426797762;mircea_popescu;there are no tanks here. 1058123;1426797776;ascii_field;well, the doom of the jailers, whatever form it might take 1058124;1426797793;mircea_popescu;you understand ? the ro revolution was not in the slightest hindered by the fact the ro army tanks were right there. 1058125;1426797795;mircea_popescu;on the contrary. 1058126;1426797818;mircea_popescu;assets are liabilities. that's what it is. 1058127;1426797828;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: slightly misunderstanding example. the ru tanks emboldened the rebels, hastening their deaths 1058128;1426797855;mircea_popescu;arguably on both ends of that. 1058129;1426797906;ascii_field;used here as illustration that the imminent demise of usg and the broader zombie civilization that created it, does not separate ulbricht's arse from anthill 1058130;1426797912;ascii_field;rather, it brings it closer to. 1058131;1426797923;mircea_popescu;but think for a moment through it. so, in a country where petreus can't have fun with an ugly stupiod old whore, there still exist these people who can do outrageous things. 1058132;1426797935;mircea_popescu;clinton ejaculating on some fat broad is not outrageous, sparked an outrage. 1058133;1426797940;mircea_popescu;but these folk somehow get away with it. 1058134;1426797941;mircea_popescu;right ? 1058135;1426797954;ascii_field;outrageous things such as lowering a general into pederasty, for example 1058136;1426797966;mircea_popescu;he did that himself. 1058137;1426797979;mircea_popescu;the bitinstant schmuck did it himself also. 1058138;1426797988;mircea_popescu;they did it themselves, by doing what you propose is "unavoidable". 1058139;1426798010;mircea_popescu;suppose petreus didn't go down for it, went on a snowden tour. what then ? 1058140;1426798011;*;ascii_field sorta gets what mircea_popescu meant here 1058141;1426798020;ascii_field;that'll be hilarious! 1058142;1426798028;mircea_popescu;the dod accuses him so and so,. he's all over al jazeera explaining what a poopyhead obama is. 1058143;1426798033;mircea_popescu;who wins the next election ? jeb bush ? 1058144;1426798035;ascii_field;pulling a grigorenko 1058145;1426798038;mircea_popescu;what's the cost to the elite ? 1058146;1426798061;mircea_popescu;what, they disappear them ? 1058147;1426798064;ascii_field;aha 1058148;1426798066;mircea_popescu;costs EVEN MOREW 1058149;1426798067;ascii_field;like the other snowden 1058150;1426798091;ascii_field;unless he hides in putin's house, he'll be disappeared for less than a whitehouse dinner costs 1058151;1426798106;mircea_popescu;now, granted, a transhumanist in the audience aged about 11 and with an education consisting mostly of harry potter books may think himself so important that this is a bad deal. 1058152;1426798116;mircea_popescu;i don't happen to share that view. 1058153;1426798126;ascii_field;which is a bad deal, and for whom ? 1058154;1426798128;*;ascii_field confused 1058155;1426798138;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you're miscalculating costs. 1058156;1426798169;mircea_popescu;take an example further away, may help. so cristina ordered the death of a prosecutor that was going to put her in jail. 1058157;1426798184;mircea_popescu;what was the cost of this ? there's three working on it now. so the cost was, superficially, problem x3. 1058158;1426798197;ascii_field;and she is closer to the jail? 1058159;1426798198;mircea_popescu;plus, everything else, starting with the press and ending with... who the fuck wants to talk to her now ? kim ? 1058160;1426798200;ascii_field;or 3 pliant ones 1058161;1426798215;mircea_popescu;i doubt anyone seriously believes she moves into anything but a jail cell once term ends. 1058162;1426798233;mircea_popescu;but in any case, her negotiating basis changed, and so now the victory of the opposition is incontrovertible. 1058163;1426798238;mircea_popescu;a year ago it was at best dubious. 1058164;1426798250;mircea_popescu;costs, baby. nothing's more expensive than action, especially when you're in a swamp. 1058165;1426798256;mircea_popescu;and all society's a swamp. 1058166;1426798272;mircea_popescu;your model worked fine in a world of lumberjacks and church bell towers a day's walk away from each other. 1058167;1426798280;mircea_popescu;that world doesn't exist, most soldiers die of ricochet. 1058168;1426798300;ascii_field;they died of ricochet (well, shrapnel) in 1915 1058169;1426798302;ascii_field;just as now 1058170;1426798305;mircea_popescu;but not in 1600. 1058171;1426798320;mircea_popescu;your model's anchored in an older time, a quieter time. 1058172;1426798324;mircea_popescu;a simpler time. 1058173;1426798391;ascii_field;my model is more of a hypothesis re: what tools usg will pick up when the usual ones (magick away the universe with idiot media tricks) begin to fail 1058174;1426798401;mircea_popescu;take, for argument's sake, the guy in tienanmen. now, the cost of the tank running him over ? w/e, five cents in detergent and ten cents in gasoline. 1058175;1426798402;mircea_popescu;orly ? 1058176;1426798433;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the idea that as the skin fails away the body can move to a 2nd line of defense is ridiculous. people with burns over 80% of the surface don't survive on their own. 1058177;1426798441;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the only reason we know about him is the gigantic crew of usg photographers and a usg planetary mediachumatron ready to endlessly reprint the photo 1058178;1426798442;mircea_popescu;it NEEDS it. once that fails, IT fails. 1058179;1426798448;mircea_popescu;so ? 1058180;1426798470;mircea_popescu;what, fetlife will order my content off my blog ? what's your scenario here ? 1058181;1426798478;mircea_popescu;we will publish it a billion times. 1058182;1426798501;mircea_popescu;this isn't a conflict that can be won. inasmuch as it's a conflict, it was already lost. 1058183;1426798508;mircea_popescu;the only way out is submission, abject. 1058184;1426798522;ascii_field;but meanwhile american north kr. 1058185;1426798535;mircea_popescu;dubious. 1058186;1426798539;ascii_field;and british, australian, french, etc. north kr 1058187;1426798543;mircea_popescu;have you seen how slender koreans are ? 1058188;1426798554;mircea_popescu;what makes you think you can make a north kr. with fatties ? 1058189;1426798565;mircea_popescu;if you were a film producer you would filter the actors, yet reality doesn't care ? 1058190;1426798584;ascii_field;not sure why one can't build it out of whoever, of lemurs, of bonobos. 1058191;1426798591;mircea_popescu;but are you sure they can. 1058192;1426798596;ascii_field;will try 1058193;1426798602;mircea_popescu;well that ain't much. 1058194;1426798621;mircea_popescu;for all you know sperm tries to impregnate the tiles everytime someone jacks off. 1058195;1426798625;mircea_popescu;ever seen tilemonster ? 1058196;1426798630;ascii_field;lol no 1058197;1426798634;mircea_popescu;yeah, well... 1058198;1426798653;mircea_popescu;this seemed a plausible theory for centuries at a stretch. 1058199;1426798687;ascii_field;which? inertial guidance for spermatozoa ? 1058200;1426798702;mircea_popescu;no, generation of demons and monsters through masturbation. 1058201;1426798715;ascii_field;ah 1058202;1426798740;mircea_popescu;"it tried... and it succeeds, probably!" 1058203;1426798747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14356 @ 0.00028281 = 4.06 BTC [-] 1058204;1426798758;ascii_field;what does it even mean - to 'succeed' at being north kr? 1058205;1426798764;ascii_field;seems like the only item therein is a 'try; 1058206;1426798765;ascii_field;' 1058207;1426798768;mircea_popescu;i have no idea, your definition. 1058208;1426798781;mircea_popescu;but in any case : i happen to think the attempt'd do a huge service to all usians. 1058209;1426798788;mircea_popescu;they really could use some whipping. 1058210;1426798793;ascii_field;'heightening the contradictions' aha 1058211;1426798800;ascii_field;(term of art) 1058212;1426798926;jurov;http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/evidence-proving-flight-mh-17-was-taken-down-buk-missile << example. and many others that prove putin's bloody hands 1058213;1426798927;assbot;Evidence proving that flight MH-17 was taken down by a BUK missile | RTL Nieuws ... ( http://bit.ly/18MgvrK ) 1058214;1426798947;jurov;wouldn't happen in 1600, yes 1058215;1426798983;chetty;in 1600 there were still places to flee to 1058216;1426798996;mircea_popescu;jurov i don't recall what the positions were there, was it the pro-russians saying the pro-nato downed it with a jet, and the pro-nato saying the pro-russians took it down with a buk ? 1058217;1426799005;mircea_popescu;chetty like where ? 1058218;1426799041;jurov;pro russians and alf said urks downed it with air-to-air missiles 1058219;1426799049;mircea_popescu;"Investigation into the chemical composition showed that they are remains from a BUK missile, among which fragments from the warhead – the pay load. The fragment of the warhead consists of a low-quality alloy of steel common to this form of ammunition. It appears from electroscopic enlargements that a fragment shows a cast-on Cyrillic serial number from the Russian language next to a partly broken number 2." 1058220;1426799054;mircea_popescu;o.O 1058221;1426799060;mircea_popescu;this wasn't salted by any chance was it ? 1058222;1426799132;jurov;it's still underway, we'll see 1058223;1426799142;mircea_popescu;jurov so wait, the fact that it was downed by a missile is not disputed ? then why's this relevant ? 1058224;1426799179;jurov;everything is disputed and muddied beyond all recognition 1058225;1426799226;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1058226;1426799235;chetty;and so it will remain 1058227;1426799239;jurov;but eventually some picture emerges. that would not be the case at all in 1600 1058228;1426799248;mircea_popescu;of course it was ? 1058229;1426799291;jurov;just that russians seem to stay stuck several centuries ago. to detriment of everyone. 1058230;1426799311;jurov;!up ascii_field 1058231;1426799326;mircea_popescu;jurov so the idea being that it's better in one empire than the other ? 1058232;1426799329;mircea_popescu;i can see the argument. 1058233;1426799358;mircea_popescu;http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/03/19/obama-broaches-mandatory-voting/25010443/ 1058234;1426799360;assbot;Obama broaches the idea of mandatory voting ... ( http://bit.ly/1C1EnDq ) 1058235;1426799364;mircea_popescu;^ maybe next they can has a referendum too. 1058236;1426799364;jurov;i did not mean to take it that far 1058237;1426799400;mircea_popescu;jurov well... getting idiots to mind their own fucking business might be a bridge too far. 1058238;1426799529;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: gossipd 1058239;1426799561;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo or anyone inclined, can we have a qntra piece discussing why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057797 is an attempted self-boon by fiat, which bitcoin will ignore like all the others ? and warn reuters and whatever idiot signed it to dessist from lying and misrepresenting while they still have their heads ? 1058240;1426799561;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 12:32:00; assbot: In boon for bitcoin, UK to regulate digital currency exchanges| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8YwMO ) 1058241;1426799563;chetty;Saw a poll that 50% of americans still don't know health insurance is mandatory, wonder how they would pull off mandatory voting? 1058242;1426799582;mircea_popescu;chetty same way they do here, or anywhere else for that matter : bus them in. 1058243;1426799597;mircea_popescu;ostensibly to give them candy or something. THAT they will know about. 1058244;1426799614;mircea_popescu;all it takes is to make inner city clinic prescriptions for "medication" contingent on voting card. 1058245;1426799744;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057820 << only if your bios is set to that boot order i imagine. 1058246;1426799744;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 14:20:01; danielpbarron: today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting 1058247;1426799806;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057831 << optical drive is burned. unlike usb which is rewritable. 1058248;1426799806;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 14:29:09; funkenstein_: is openbsd the only reason to have an optical drive? 1058249;1426799903;mircea_popescu;lobbes well actually, since a bunch of uninformed idiots are creating the problem in the first place, adding more resolves it rather than anything. 1058250;1426800080;danielpbarron;yeah, turns out that wasn't what was happening 1058251;1426800150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105709 @ 0.00028111 = 29.7159 BTC [-] {2} 1058252;1426800204;mircea_popescu;!up bhcoins 1058253;1426800214;mircea_popescu;you shouldn't go around logged into the windows equivalent of root. 1058254;1426800243;ascii_field;jurov: admitting that i wasn't there, didn't shoot it, 1058255;1426800265;ascii_field;jurov: do you not find it peculiar that the verdict was decided on by nato media immediately, without the corpses so much as having even cooled down ? 1058256;1426800274;ascii_field;and reprinted on whole planet. 1058257;1426800285;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057874 requires a reference to http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/ 1058258;1426800285;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 16:33:12; assbot: GoDaddy accounts vulnerable to social engineering and Photoshop | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNsc0v ) 1058259;1426800286;assbot;O hai let me verify your identity! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18Mkxk9 ) 1058260;1426800294;jurov;no that's sop, RT rushed with its version likewise 1058261;1426800308;ascii_field;how else. 1058262;1426800317;mircea_popescu;ascii_field an advantageous explanation would be : they knew they didn't do it, so... 1058263;1426800326;jurov;lol 1058264;1426800389;ascii_field;and jurov is right - from nato-world standpoint, ru is holding the rest of the planet back - by annoyingly remaining alive and sitting on all that 'unearned' mineral resource and unraped land 1058265;1426800396;ascii_field;this is precisely why eternal war 1058266;1426800405;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057879 << redditards being retarded on reddit ? 1058267;1426800405;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 16:41:04; nubbins`: what? 1058268;1426800441;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ahem. the us is sitting on a lot of unearned mineral resources and unraped land. like say, alaska. 1058269;1426800462;ascii_field;aha, similar 1058270;1426800469;mircea_popescu;well so then this can't be it. 1058271;1426800473;ascii_field;except that better at raping lands 1058272;1426800490;ascii_field;more efficient economical system runs through the fuel - faster. elementary 1058273;1426800498;mircea_popescu;simpler explanation : everyone in central europe hates the russians, because last time they had the chance to matter they fucked it up. 1058274;1426800507;jurov;ascii_field: so what's your proposal for better post-cold-war arrngements? 1058275;1426800509;mircea_popescu;everyone in the middle east hates the big satan / us for exact same reason 1058276;1426800511;jurov;large 1058277;1426800515;mircea_popescu;and russians don't have many freiends in the caucasus etc 1058278;1426800524;ascii_field;jurov: arranging people is above my paygrade 1058279;1426800545;ascii_field;jurov: just describing why 'there ain't room in the town for the both'of'em' to borrow from 'western' films 1058280;1426800547;mircea_popescu; more efficient economical system runs through the fuel - faster. elementary << nope, other way around actually. the more advanced, the more fuel. 1058281;1426800579;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what i meant was, the rare earths of ru are largely still in the earth 1058282;1426800587;mircea_popescu;so in alaska. 1058283;1426800593;ascii_field;and likewise (though less so) the petro 1058284;1426800612;mircea_popescu;dubious. most oil is probably in the sea. 1058285;1426800677;jurov;that's russian paranoia from the US. it's clear beyond doubt, chinese will move to siberia first, given an opportunity 1058286;1426800693;jurov;US is not risking a conflict there 1058287;1426800693;ascii_field;jurov: they are already there 1058288;1426800704;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057898 << easy my foot. i hope you try and think you succeeded and then automate it and then i rape you with dns poisoning. 1058289;1426800704;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 16:56:16; fluffypony: the fulfillment is easy 1058290;1426800709;ascii_field;jurov: ask the folks who live there. 1058291;1426800720;mircea_popescu;jurov you have a point, there. 1058292;1426800723;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I meant relatively easy 1058293;1426800724;fluffypony;but yes 1058294;1426800734;mircea_popescu;"relatively easy" as in "always works sorta" ? 1058295;1426800740;fluffypony;the fact that you can fuck with something outside of it is a fail point 1058296;1426800756;fluffypony;basically it can only ever work on things directly observable on the blockchain 1058297;1426800756;mircea_popescu;your contract must be specified. once you specify it, you have specified a way to circumvent it. end of story. 1058298;1426800761;fluffypony;which makes it fairly useless 1058299;1426800776;mircea_popescu;so basically... it's about as redundant as everything else the power rangers have made, past coupla years. 1058300;1426800778;fluffypony;"release the money to mircea_popescu if I send the money to mircea_popescu" is about the sum total of it 1058301;1426800780;jurov;well... so you see what is the nato standpoint. not these "unraped" delusions 1058302;1426800795;mircea_popescu;jurov maybe i don't ? 1058303;1426800811;jurov;it was answer alf 1058304;1426800816;jurov;*to alf 1058305;1426800834;mircea_popescu;what, it's secret, i don't get to see it ? only the choice alfs ? 1058306;1426800846;jurov;why do his worldview does bother me so, i don't know 1058307;1426800863;mircea_popescu;well cause he lives with one set of idiots and you with the other. 1058308;1426800872;mircea_popescu;you both need for your own sanity to misrepresent the other's set. 1058309;1426800873;jurov;"from nato-world standpoint, ru is holding the rest of the planet back - by annoyingly remaining alive and sitting on all that 'unearned' mineral resource and unraped land" 1058310;1426800897;jurov;is it a big misrepresentation to label it as paranoia? 1058311;1426800909;mircea_popescu;only inasmuch as you think this is a label to begin with. 1058312;1426800914;mircea_popescu;intl politics is petrified paranoia. 1058313;1426800926;mircea_popescu;as it should be. 1058314;1426800932;jurov;lolk 1058315;1426800981;mircea_popescu;like saying "look at this cute 9 year old girl, i bet she's got a cunt between her legs under the skirt there" is rather impolitic, 1058316;1426800984;chetty;it mostly needs more petrification 1058317;1426800988;mircea_popescu;people will react when you point out the paranoia. 1058318;1426801168;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057901 << imagine fi every time you went to buy something both you and the seller had to imobilize capital. wallmart would need trillions just to be able to keep doing business. 1058319;1426801169;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 16:56:38; danielpbarron: he's probably referring to some thing where both parties put up bitcoin collateral in an escrow controlled by "the block chain" 1058320;1426801226;mircea_popescu;this "idea" is so fucking retarded it's perhaps the best advertisement to my ancient "you don't get to have ideas, go work for someone who matters" thing. only people without the first clue as to how things work could entertain such nonsense. 1058321;1426801381;danielpbarron;speaking of which, here's the latest lulz from the forum: 1058322;1426801384;danielpbarron;I'm sorry, maybe I don't understand where you're coming from, but why are you quoting Mircea Popescu? I admit I have not read this entire thread, so maybe there's a reason... but I don't see what value there is to quoting an insane, misogynistic, racist drug addict here? The guy has shown time and again that he has no idea what he's talking about and everything he has ever done in his life is complete garbage (just going by 1058323;1426801387;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057881 << generally the correct strategy is "never compete in saturated markets". which is why i don't date, i don't vc, i don't business school etc. 1058324;1426801387;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 16:51:07; trinque: my both immediate and long-term strategy has been to identify markets where the software has languished, and to raid the space with something built well 1058325;1426801430;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron lol, did i become a drug addict once i stopped being a woman ? 1058326;1426801431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.0002822 = 13.0941 BTC [+] 1058327;1426801444;mircea_popescu;or is that when i became mysoginistic. 1058328;1426801449;*;danielpbarron shrugs 1058329;1426801470;chetty;they left out racist 1058330;1426801482;mircea_popescu;racist gypsy! 1058331;1426801485;mircea_popescu;for completeness. 1058332;1426801492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.0002822 = 18.343 BTC [+] 1058333;1426801509;danielpbarron;did my paste get cut off? racist is in there. 1058334;1426801528;mircea_popescu;can you be an insane drug addict ? 1058335;1426801528;chetty;oh oops my bad 1058336;1426801539;mircea_popescu;i thought drugs cured insanity. 1058337;1426801578;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron lol account made today no less ? cute. 1058338;1426801582;mircea_popescu;who is this then, goat ? 1058339;1426801652;mircea_popescu;gotta admire danielpbarron's dedication tho. 1058340;1426801697;mircea_popescu;everything he has ever done in his life is complete garbage (just going by what I've read of and from him, so I could be incorrect). 1058341;1426801708;mircea_popescu;ajhaha you got cut off before the better parts. 1058342;1426801720;mircea_popescu;i wonder what this guy did in his life that he's so upset at himself anyway. 1058343;1426801722;mircea_popescu;must be goat. 1058344;1426801742;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo or anyone inclined, can we have a qntra piece discussing why << Sketching one out 1058345;1426801750;mircea_popescu;coolness 1058346;1426801902;mircea_popescu;one of the most fascinating things about reading satoshi's statements is just how often he makes the correct choice for the wrong reasons. 1058347;1426801932;mircea_popescu;as a fine example, the bit danielpbarron quotes : "The proof-of-work also solves the problem of determining representation in majority decision making. If the majority were based on one-IP-address-one-vote, it could be subverted by anyone able to allocate many IPs. Proof-of-work is essentially one-CPU-one-vote." 1058348;1426801960;mircea_popescu;if this implies he settled on pow for that reason, it then follows he chose the correct mechanism for exactly the wrong reason, becuase that's the only aspect under which pow has failed. 1058349;1426802113;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do thicker walls lower crime. 1058350;1426802129;mircea_popescu;do thicker arteries lower embolisms too ? 1058351;1426802168;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057922 << but that's exactly what it is. "more accessible", as in, tolerable for idiots, while inconvenient for smart people. 1058352;1426802168;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 17:06:07; thestringpuller: danielpbarron: re: youtube videos for dumb people << i've started thinking because Videos are much easier to consume than words, dumb people are more attracted to it cause they can "watch it" instead of "read it" 1058353;1426802224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21540 @ 0.00028072 = 6.0467 BTC [-] 1058354;1426802227;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057929 << very true danielpbarron. blogs aren't a collection of literary fiction unless you particularly wish to do that. there's however a glut of bad ones, because many idiots think themselves "creative" when they're just stupid, ignorant and lazy. 1058355;1426802227;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 17:10:55; ben_vulpes: your pogo saga's a good start 1058356;1426802260;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the well documented nonfiction blog is always well regarded, and as it happens stuff that's banal to you often will be fascinating to others. which is why a psychologist's blog is like, b-a's favourite blog or something. 1058357;1426802292;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057934 << e) trinque lol] 1058358;1426802292;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 17:54:20; mod6: is anyone working on porting over the original submitted deeds to the new deedbot? 1058359;1426802343;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057950 << and i dun think you're the only one. 1058360;1426802343;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 18:23:44; lobbes: I tell you, I've learned more in this channel in a year than I did my entire 4 years of college/university 1058361;1426802355;*;trinque raises hand 1058362;1426802390;trinque;had the distinct reaction after hanging out a while that "this is what university was supposed to have been..." 1058363;1426802397;mircea_popescu;quite exactly. 1058364;1426802432;mircea_popescu;"university" means elitist and antisocial. neither of these exists in the muggle world anymore, 1058365;1426802435;kakobrekla;was this addressed yet? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057811 1058366;1426802435;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 12:53:07; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057736 << have you looked on the 1Fx addy? that would mean no new accounts since november 1058367;1426802443;mircea_popescu;but the original universities were fortified, exactly to keep the redidtards of the time awya. 1058368;1426802469;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1058040 1058369;1426802469;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 20:22:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer. 1058370;1426802516;jurov;so nobody want so to be seen regging mpex account? lol 1058371;1426802523;kakobrekla;thats so unlike mp. 1058372;1426802548;mircea_popescu;nothing's more unlike mp than mp himself. 1058373;1426802664;mircea_popescu;btw kakobrekla mind link http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ to http://deedbot.org/ ? 1058374;1426802664;assbot;Index of / ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCWXfS ) 1058375;1426802665;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxKnTa ) 1058376;1426802683;kakobrekla;i dont see how it makes sense to have a special deposit address for first registration+deposit and then you are fine using the single one for all of the rest of txes 1058377;1426802750;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1058378;1426802865;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at cryptanalysis central, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e3d724457bcadf5e6cdefec8a8b56907/tumblr_mvp8dtcA9H1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg 1058379;1426802866;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C1QkZU ) 1058380;1426802884;kakobrekla;"theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses" < why would anyone be concerned only to have the first address for first deposit+registration unique but is then fine using 1fx for all later deposits 1058381;1426802910;kakobrekla;does not compute 1058382;1426802911;mircea_popescu;not how that works. generally if they get one they get one for all their stuff. 1058383;1426802980;mircea_popescu;which imo is a degradation of privacy, but w/e. 1058384;1426803041;kakobrekla;aha so every one of last 50 or so accounts requested this 1058385;1426803047;kakobrekla;interdasting. 1058386;1426803085;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1058387;1426803119;ascii_field;jurov: i admit that i'd enjoy reading an article-length thought re: what is it between you and ru 1058388;1426803132;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea, that. 1058389;1426803139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76500 @ 0.0002822 = 21.5883 BTC [+] 1058390;1426803188;ascii_field;jurov: like, as with one fella i know, a certain country confiscated his family home and turned it into a (literal) city jail 1058391;1426803195;ascii_field;coloured his opinions, yes 1058392;1426803200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.0002822 = 7.9298 BTC [+] 1058393;1426803241;jurov;my opinions were formed by several friends eating disinfo that was later traced back to RT, with sink and hooker 1058394;1426803244;mircea_popescu;you know, just because most people find sooner or later personal reasons to hate large groups of idiots doesn't reduce the problem. 1058395;1426803267;mircea_popescu;hook line and sinker lol 1058396;1426803278;mircea_popescu;ahahaha sink and hooker excellent 1058397;1426803279;jurov;heh 1058398;1426803301;ascii_field;jurov: notice that i don't live in ru, and nobody's inviting me over. but i happen to see the conflict of irreconcilable civilizations thing, and see the ru version - with the orc barbarism, yes - as less moribund 1058399;1426803305;mircea_popescu;see it's from fishing, when a fish bites so hard it eats not just the bait, but with it the hook, and the bit of fishing line all theway to the floating thing 1058400;1426803316;jurov;yes that what i meant 1058401;1426803341;trinque;it's those kinds of perspectives expressed here that I would *never* have encountered in daily life 1058402;1426803361;chetty;rt/nbc/cnn all the same big disinfo machine 1058403;1426803369;kakobrekla;anyway just to conclude ihmo this accounts thing does not hold water, but wont poke further. 1058404;1426803384;ascii_field;chetty: rt makes ru-flavoured disinfo, so not same 1058405;1426803407;trinque;chetty: and sure, always knew they were rivers of shit; still hadn't ever heard from anyone that for example even knew what russia was like internally 1058406;1426803408;mircea_popescu;rt = russia today, ftr, not reuters 1058407;1426803436;chetty;<< would not be terribly surprised if they had the same puppet master 1058408;1426803479;ascii_field;chetty: there is a confounding factor: that much of su was bought up at fire-sale by usg operatives 1058409;1426803485;ascii_field;some of whom are still in business 1058410;1426803490;ascii_field;but slowly being euchred out 1058411;1426803500;mircea_popescu;not so slowly. mostly done by now. 1058412;1426803508;mircea_popescu;paranoia only remains in the tank. 1058413;1426803546;jurov;we can close whole thing with "everyone is doing it" but.. when did bbc published something like rt did "EU is preparing laws to take your children and to give them to homosexuals"? 1058414;1426803605;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla sadly one can't have at the same time verifiability and opacity. 1058415;1426803609;trinque;jurov: bbc works in the opposite direction, covering up for the uk politicans raping the kids themselves 1058416;1426803656;mircea_popescu;jurov different audience, different priors. 1058417;1426803660;jurov;trinque: proof bbc was involved? 1058418;1426803661;chetty;they do their share of making rhe russian the bad guys ...like homosexulas can¿t drive there 1058419;1426803692;mircea_popescu;basically you're saying "how come the man doesn't have a bra ?" when discussing whether man and woman are both dressed. 1058420;1426803706;mircea_popescu;just because man doesn't wear a bra doesn't show much about it, men don't wear bras, they wear ties. 1058421;1426803725;trinque;jurov: dunno bout proof, but I'm referring to things like this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/11243459/The-BBC-is-still-ignoring-evidence-of-a-potential-cover-up-over-Jimmy-Savile.html 1058422;1426803726;assbot;The BBC is still ignoring evidence of a potential cover-up over Jimmy Savile - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1C1TkFp ) 1058423;1426803760;mircea_popescu;trinque did they ever run the stories about how uk soldiers ran a private rape camp in africa, paying the refugees about a dollar per year of age for all night ? 1058424;1426803777;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu so you will allow for your clients to get fucked, as you strongly believe that addr reuse is the the way to go, yet you will serve poisonous uniques to clients. 1058425;1426803778;trinque;mircea_popescu: damn, hadn't heard that one 1058426;1426803787;mircea_popescu;o, you hadn't, had you. 1058427;1426803809;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla people with enough money have this priviledge, that they may order whatever they wish in the restaurant. 1058428;1426803821;mircea_popescu;they're expected to know for themselves. 1058429;1426803842;mircea_popescu;if they order puffer fish because "i know what i'm doing", they get puffer fish. 1058430;1426803853;jurov;i did not say bbc is innocent. but covering apparatchik's mishaps vs. war propaganda aimed to alienating whole groups of population? 1058431;1426803868;mircea_popescu;jurov i doubt that's actually a group in russia tho. 1058432;1426803885;kakobrekla;so when someone requests css ? 1058433;1426803901;jurov;https://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/03/14/russia-kremlin-troll-army-examples/ << teh group 1058434;1426803904;assbot;Inside the Kremlin Troll Army Machine: Templates, Guidelines, and Paid Posts · Global Voices ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCZruw ) 1058435;1426803929;kakobrekla;this going by what customers want anti b-a bs 1058436;1426803932;mircea_popescu;trinque http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2822177/Soldiers-rape-TWO-women-children-Darfur-village-eight-hour-attack.html apparently daily mail has it, bbc is too you know... mendacious to run it. 1058437;1426803934;assbot;Soldiers rape more than TWO HUNDRED women and children in Darfur village in eight-hour attack | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCZtCP ) 1058438;1426803946;cazalla;mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/THZwPMC.png please to translate and inform if anything interesting 1058439;1426803948;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCZx5u ) 1058440;1426803948;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla they can make their own! 1058441;1426803951;trinque;mircea_popescu: sounds about right 1058442;1426803970;kakobrekla;as they can use their own coin washer for deposits 1058443;1426804012;mircea_popescu;cazalla : in context of virtual coins, bnr makes the following statements : "not national currency, not foreign currency, no one has to accept it as a means of payment" 1058444;1426804030;mircea_popescu;"not electronic money as defined in 127/2011" 1058445;1426804046;mircea_popescu;"ecb has a report about potential risks etc, here" 1058446;1426804061;mircea_popescu;"also, eba warned so and so" 1058447;1426804075;mircea_popescu;"we are trying to keep track." 1058448;1426804102;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla myeah. 1058449;1426804151;mircea_popescu;cazalla inb a word, i'd say it's exactly the correct position. 1058450;1426804228;mircea_popescu;trinque anyway, if you feel like digging, the outrage of mass rape by uk & other nato soldiers in darfour is amply documented, if amply buried by the "respectable" anglo venues, starting with bbc. 1058451;1426804263;mircea_popescu;this has been an ongoing problem for a good half decade by now, if not longer, and in this sense exactly identical to hitler rule in europe, 1058452;1426804270;trinque;I'll check it out 1058453;1426804275;trinque;I know we did things like this in Iraq 1058454;1426804289;mircea_popescu;which is why i'm very little inclined to take jurov's ideas about you know, russia holding anyone back too seriously. all states are evil. 1058455;1426804300;trinque;indeed 1058456;1426804339;mircea_popescu;one could perhaps shop for evils one likes, these stone homosexuals, those rape niggers, those others strangle unvirgin teens, whatever. 1058457;1426804346;mircea_popescu;but fundamentally, you're rooting through shit. 1058458;1426804439;BingoBoingo;I just hope the big 3 (Russia, China, USia) simply keep up their current equilibrium of losing. 1058459;1426804451;mircea_popescu;china's not lost anything yet. 1058460;1426804469;mircea_popescu;neither has russia, but then again it can be granted it doesn't need to, having been so recently gutted entirely. 1058461;1426804483;trinque;china's maneuver against the US will go down in history 1058462;1426804489;mircea_popescu;which one ? 1058463;1426804490;trinque;getting us to sign onto free trade agreements, etc 1058464;1426804494;BingoBoingo;Not yet, but China's going to need a war soon to cut down their surplus dude problem. 1058465;1426804500;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. under threat of south china sea etc. 1058466;1426804514;mircea_popescu;and especially the poltroonish reaction of the us to that... 1058467;1426804518;trinque;the way they absorbed our industrial capacity is astounding 1058468;1426804533;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i do not think so. i think they're trying to drone them. 1058469;1426804539;mircea_popescu;if this works, china will become irresistible to say, me. 1058470;1426804555;mircea_popescu;imagine, a country over a billion strong, in which nine in ten young males are castrated. 1058471;1426804564;BingoBoingo;lol 1058472;1426804569;mircea_popescu;how could you NOT live there. perusing cnreddit and thinking "yeah... but then again... they cut his balls off" 1058473;1426804581;mircea_popescu;the us version of the same thing is outright annoying. 1058474;1426804703;mircea_popescu;After the battle, Hermoine becomes concerned that women are underrepresented among heros of the wizarding world, and starts a “Society for the Promotion of Heroic Equality for Witches” or SPHEW. 1058475;1426804712;mircea_popescu;lmao by now this is self-parodic. 1058476;1426804755;ascii_field;all states are evil << entirely below the conflict between the mega-states, is some pretty fundamental clash of civilizations 1058477;1426804776;mircea_popescu;there's no usian "civilisation". there's also no russian civilisation. 1058478;1426804785;mircea_popescu;as painful as this may sound to teh respective loyalists. 1058479;1426804805;BingoBoingo;Mao and the Japs ended whatever might have been Chinese civilization 1058480;1426804827;mircea_popescu;well maybe uninformedly, but i do believe there is such a thing as chinese, and european civilisation. 1058481;1426804828;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i won't say specifically ru, but various aspects like 'children belong to parents as meat, not to the state' being in their bones 1058482;1426804837;ascii_field;and other resistance to 'civilized' degeneracy 1058483;1426804847;mircea_popescu;the notion that the first's fighting a proxy war with the second via us/ru is... a little too livresque for my taste. 1058484;1426804859;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that's chinese. confucianism through and through. 1058485;1426804882;funkenstein_;sounds like y'all think nations are still relevant 1058486;1426804888;funkenstein_;how long do i need to cryosleep for? 1058487;1426804889;ascii_field;ru is sorta what cn might have looked like if it had sat next to europe 1058488;1426804894;ascii_field;without the buffer zone 1058489;1426804899;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ relevancy is a function ofwhat's being discussed. we're discussing nations. 1058490;1426804912;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1058491;1426804917;mircea_popescu;ascii_field if cn sat next to europe there wouldn't be a europe. 1058492;1426804936;mircea_popescu;both the muscovys and the abassyds very useful for this . 1058493;1426804942;mircea_popescu;and generally unrecognised for it, too. 1058494;1426804967;ascii_field;aha. but in the process of digesting it, cn would have turned into something like ru 1058495;1426804980;mircea_popescu;or like syria. 1058496;1426805090;ascii_field;funkenstein_: if you actually think 'nations are irrelevant' and that folks across the sea are funnily-accented clones of yourself - buy a plane ticket, learn something 1058497;1426805090;mircea_popescu;anyway, the fucktarded notion that "children belong to the goddess" that not even repressive medieval christianity could stamp out may well be a problem of the western line. 1058498;1426805115;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not only it 1058499;1426805118;mircea_popescu;nations are ironically more relevant than states. 1058500;1426805155;ascii_field;states come and go, civilizations are in it for the long (but not infinitely long...) haul. 1058501;1426805158;funkenstein_;well i understand i still need a passport 1058502;1426805179;funkenstein_;ascii_field, that's what i did learn when i did travel 1058503;1426805183;ascii_field;funkenstein_: but unless i misunderstand, you see the passport as a dumb, pointless ritual 1058504;1426805193;funkenstein_;entirely so yes 1058505;1426805197;ascii_field;that you are 'generic human' who ought to be equally wanted anywhere 1058506;1426805201;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ what's your idea of travel ? 1058507;1426805207;ascii_field;and that folks who disagree, are necessarily idiots ? 1058508;1426805229;funkenstein_;equally treated as useless unless evidence is presented otherwise 1058509;1426805245;trinque;someone will always own the dirt, and have a name for himself and the people who live there. 1058510;1426805249;ascii_field;from where this presumption ? 1058511;1426805263;ascii_field;of 'wanted by default' 1058512;1426805308;funkenstein_;mirecea_popescu, change of position with time? i misunderstand your question 1058513;1426805355;mircea_popescu;well, did you ever spend time abroad ? how much ? did you learn the local language ? did you fuck local or brownbag ? etc. 1058514;1426805396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21973 @ 0.00028072 = 6.1683 BTC [-] 1058515;1426805400;funkenstein_;i've spent time on several continents 1058516;1426805405;funkenstein_;held jobs in a couple 1058517;1426805417;ascii_field;which continents ? 1058518;1426805430;funkenstein_;europe, north america 1058519;1426805443;ascii_field;so never left your birth civilization. 1058520;1426805447;funkenstein_;visited s.a., asia 1058521;1426805465;ascii_field;visited as in, came & took pictures? or more ? 1058522;1426805506;funkenstein_;mostly gringo stuff but not tour guide. some hitchhiking and low budget stuff, but nothing i would brag about here 1058523;1426805507;mircea_popescu;lol oddly protective. you have to learn a foreign language yo. you have to love a woman that's perfectly incomprehensible for your parents. that's what travel is . the rest's tourism. 1058524;1426805541;funkenstein_;i like that, you gotta meet the locals 1058525;1426805551;mircea_popescu;as a local. 1058526;1426805562;ascii_field;^ 1058527;1426805565;mircea_popescu;that's the golden standard as a field anthropologist : once the gorillas start plucking your lice. 1058528;1426805571;mircea_popescu;not once you get the lice. 1058529;1426805578;ascii_field;!b 5 1058530;1426805578;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0QXVMH4.txt ) 1058531;1426805602;funkenstein_;lol 1058532;1426805624;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, lulzy scene. my in bucharest, with slavegirl, at mother's appartment. she goes "oh, so she's X ?" "yeah. would you like to see her naked ?" 1058533;1426805628;mircea_popescu;"o nononononono" 1058534;1426805681;ascii_field;lol, was 'X' a clit-optional country, or what 1058535;1426805702;mircea_popescu;just a name 1058536;1426805820;mircea_popescu;for that matter, me in istanbul. very competent local secret service guy wants to know where i'm from. "i'm american" "no you're not. you're bulgarian or something". 1058537;1426805822;mircea_popescu;guy was THAT GOOD. 1058538;1426805869;ascii_field;amer can be distinguished from anybody else from a cannon's shot range 1058539;1426805878;ascii_field;so no big trick here 1058540;1426805880;mircea_popescu;yes, but he also got the right general direction. 1058541;1426806090;funkenstein_;USian you mean i suppose 1058542;1426806095;funkenstein_;oh he left 1058543;1426806126;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: He might be communting from the field 1058544;1426806151;funkenstein_;harvesting ascii for us in the field 1058545;1426806215;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Oh no that's just his substance. You know instead of being limited to TCAG like the rest of us his genetics require the whole character set. 1058546;1426806247;funkenstein_;lol, wow that's quite a bit more information then 1058547;1426806258;BingoBoingo;$^*anine is a helluva nucleic acid 1058548;1426806274;BingoBoingo;As is ]/anine 1058549;1426806333;BingoBoingo;!up shesek 1058550;1426806350;funkenstein_;i tested the 0.5.3 build on an old ubuntu box, built like a charm 1058551;1426806403;funkenstein_;i hope to make myself useful around here eventually 1058552;1426806424;mircea_popescu;i didn't leave lol. 1058553;1426806459;mircea_popescu;oh , him. nm :p 1058554;1426806469;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ you could get a pogo. 1058555;1426806521;funkenstein_;!s pogo 1058556;1426806522;assbot;238 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo 1058557;1426806619;danielpbarron;http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/ShadowXOR/why-28-weeks-later-is-a-horrible-movie-spoilers--49045.phtml 1058558;1426806620;assbot;Community Discussion: Blog by ShadowXOR | Why 28 Weeks Later is a horrible movie (SPOILERS)Destructoid ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaSs6I ) 1058559;1426806634;danielpbarron;"OK, here's the plan. Our evacuation tactic is to lock everyone in this room. They should all be extremely safe there. Except we haven't secured the vent OR fire escape... Oh well, I'm sure they'll be fine." They must have been evacuated for maybe TEN MINUTES before the zombie breaks into the fire escape door. Wow, that is a fantastic "safe zone". 1058560;1426806742;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: About how it would work IRL. "Security Theater" and all that 1058561;1426806783;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/national-bank-of-romania-clarifies-its-position-on-bitcoin/ 1058562;1426806860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.0002822 = 1.8625 BTC [+] 1058563;1426808046;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/young-frankenstein/ 1058564;1426808654;BingoBoingo;lols https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zjnjs/you_dumb_fuckers_need_to_stop_making_it_so_easy/ 1058565;1426808658;assbot;You dumb fuckers need to stop making it so easy for people to steal your bitcoin. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1B7ICbE ) 1058566;1426808825;BingoBoingo;!up CheckDavid 1058567;1426809559;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 98.31517126 BTC. Current weight: 88,357. 1058568;1426809560;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.75645355 BTC. Current weight: 93,293. 1058569;1426809605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36894 @ 0.0002822 = 10.4115 BTC [+] 1058570;1426810093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00028461 = 4.9664 BTC [+] 1058571;1426811353;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pogo_crate.jpg 1058572;1426811360;asciilifeform;^ in today. 1058573;1426811368;asciilifeform;there's no shortage of'em here. 1058574;1426811379;BingoBoingo;Beautiful 1058575;1426811381;asciilifeform;(ordered - tues.) 1058576;1426811439;*;BingoBoingo spent some time today looking longingly looking at sun blade 150's (model I did not know existed or had forgotten about) on Ebay. 1058577;1426811572;asciilifeform;lol, why?! 1058578;1426811627;asciilifeform;though a 'sun ray' might make an interesting openbsd box 1058579;1426811694;BingoBoingo;Does the sun ray have any compute power of its own? Blade 150 looked interesting because somewhat portable pizza box form, IDE drives, and good old VGA monitor hookups. 1058580;1426811707;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it has some ultra-miniature sparc iirc 1058581;1426811714;BingoBoingo;Ah 1058582;1426811718;asciilifeform;tiny little thing 1058583;1426811724;asciilifeform;sorta like a 'pogo' 1058584;1426811747;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Blade_(workstation)#/media/File:Sunblade1500.jpg << lol 'coke' machine 1058585;1426811748;assbot;Sun Blade (workstation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/197UKTh ) 1058586;1426811777;BingoBoingo;Blade 150 seemed to offer some compute power while also offering more EM shielding than its Blade 100 bredecessor 1058587;1426811831;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I liked that form factor. Just looking at the models that slice a zero off of the model number atm. 1058588;1426811833;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the most 'shieldy' box i've ever personally owned was a hp 'visualize' 1058589;1426811839;asciilifeform;http://karilavikka.fi/gfx/sekalaista_tauhkaa/hp/j5600/151_5183.JPG << not mine but very similar 1058590;1426811841;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/197V6sZ ) 1058591;1426811856;asciilifeform;emf mesh behind all openings 1058592;1426811859;BingoBoingo;It's a beautiful thing 1058593;1426811864;asciilifeform;everything, incl. mb, slid out on rails 1058594;1426811875;asciilifeform;all or mostly all steel, mad-heavy 1058595;1426811894;asciilifeform;the power supply also slid out 1058596;1426811914;asciilifeform;(at one point had spare, old one - exploded capacitor, filled dorm floor with smoke) 1058597;1426811940;asciilifeform;funny thing, it sat in my old flat for... 7 years, in the kitchen closet, filled with rat shit 1058598;1426811952;asciilifeform;when moving last year - left it on the kerb. and someone picked it up... 1058599;1426811966;BingoBoingo;I dunno what it is with your flavor of swamp and rats 1058600;1426811991;asciilifeform;what, where BingoBoingo lives there are no rats ? 1058601;1426811996;BingoBoingo;Maybe here there just isn't enough of a niche for them between mice and racoons 1058602;1426812012;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Southern Illinois, about 30 miles east of East StL 1058603;1426812014;asciilifeform;huge rats here, straight out of the ratfacecage scene in '1984' 1058604;1426812024;asciilifeform;at night they walk, you can see'em 1058605;1426812051;asciilifeform;incidentally i often wonder if the ratfacecage is still in fashion somewhere 1058606;1426812059;BingoBoingo;I've only here ever seen rats purchased from petstore. 1058607;1426812091;asciilifeform;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--x5WK3_Zo--/fzogcaspzsoynnfdqeg2.jpg 1058608;1426812092;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmg9d ) 1058609;1426812092;BingoBoingo;At night walking I see plenty of cats, coons, groundhogs, foxes, and coyotes. Haven't ever identified a rat 1058610;1426812104;asciilifeform;^ from, i think, one of the film versions 1058611;1426812128;BingoBoingo;I think I may have seen that version 1058612;1426812142;BingoBoingo;We've also got fucktons of squirrels 1058613;1426812162;asciilifeform;https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5924387/il_fullxfull.223598961.jpg 1058614;1426812164;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmwoE ) 1058615;1426812180;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pogo_crate.jpg << woah! 1058616;1426812219;mod6;<+funkenstein_> i tested the 0.5.3 build on an old ubuntu box, built like a charm << nice! thanks for the info 1058617;1426812225;BingoBoingo;Maybe here the rats know to stay in the farm fields, but... They don't seem endemic here like the mice do. 1058618;1426812254;BingoBoingo;Mice plainly exist here get into the birdseed and shit all over the garage. 1058619;1426812257;asciilifeform;l0l, looking for the r4tc4g3 found - http://www.protogermanic.com/2012/02/power-tends-to-corrupt-absolute-power.html 1058620;1426812259;assbot;PROTO-GERMANIC & INDO-EUROPEAN STUDIES: "POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT & ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY" : THE US GOVERNMENT UNLAWFUL EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION LAWS WHERE OUR TRAITOROUS, WICKED CONGRESS (SAVE A FEW LIKE RON PAUL, AL FRANKEN, DENNIS KUCINICH) HAVE MADE THEMSELVES GODS OVER US. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmNbe ) 1058621;1426812266;asciilifeform;^ mega-lulzatron 1058622;1426812641;cazalla;bloody mother in laws who give their daughters the idea that you need a new car simply because the old one is looking old (despite being fucking fine mechanically wise) 1058623;1426812650;asciilifeform;waiwat 1058624;1426812703;hanbot;maybe she wants the old one. 1058625;1426812794;cazalla;hanbot, nope, she has a merc to drive around in, mcmansion etc (all paid for by the long dead but rich father in law mind you) 1058626;1426812817;hanbot;so then maybe she could buy you a new one. 1058627;1426812829;cazalla;if there is anything that gets my blood pressure sky rocketing, it's people tell me or someone close to me how i should spend money on useless shit 1058628;1426812835;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Are they interested in purchasing the Saturn of Supremacy? 1058629;1426812885;cazalla;BingoBoingo, god forbid she drive around in anything less than brand new! 1058630;1426812897;BingoBoingo;cazalla: But battle tested. 1058631;1426812900;asciilifeform;cazalla clearly has insufficient reputation for poverty 1058632;1426812932;hanbot;for australia or generally? 1058633;1426812938;cazalla;asciilifeform, you have no idea i tells ya 1058634;1426812982;asciilifeform;cultivate this reputation. 1058635;1426812990;asciilifeform;it may well save your skin 1058636;1426813035;BingoBoingo;This Saturn sedan has forded roads deeper than the floor of the passenger compartment, traveled to the other side of a divided freeway, and still burns fuel like a miser 1058637;1426813084;asciilifeform;possibly the most dangerous animal to be in the lands of usg (and au, as i understand, is a kind of target practice range for usg idiocies) is the fella with just enough to be worth skinning, but three or four zeroes short of mircea_popescu-esque atomic dirigible where he can hit back 1058638;1426813089;cazalla;even if bitcoin was 10k per, a brand new car is an extravagance i would not spring for 1058639;1426813099;asciilifeform;*endangered animal 1058640;1426813104;asciilifeform;(rather than dangerous) 1058641;1426813160;BingoBoingo;Brand new car is the worst possible expense in the Anglophone world. Nearly half the sticker price goes straight to the fire. 1058642;1426813169;asciilifeform;was about to say 1058643;1426813178;asciilifeform;i'd rather fill a suitcase with benjies & publicly burn it 1058644;1426813180;asciilifeform;than buy a new car 1058645;1426813214;BingoBoingo;If it came to replacing my current vehicle I'd prolly start looking at used police crown vics 1058646;1426813242;mircea_popescu;mod6 got tons more of thems. 1058647;1426813273;BingoBoingo;Question: Is chav capitalized or not in proper usage? 1058648;1426813290;asciilifeform;mod6 is passing'em out or running personally 1058649;1426813326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82160 @ 0.00028555 = 23.4608 BTC [+] 1058650;1426813432;*;BingoBoingo wonders if Big endian bitcoind will happen before all of the blockchain passes the 127 GB most interesting of such machines are limited to. 1058651;1426813447;BingoBoingo;!up Luke-Jr How goes Big endian bitcoind 1058652;1426813452;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo is welcome to build it bigendian now 1058653;1426813457;Luke-Jr;I believe it's merged. 1058654;1426813497;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I need working hardware. In the past I've treated such bexen as too disposable. Ingnored fans cries for help. 1058655;1426813503;BingoBoingo;Luke-Jr: Cool. 1058656;1426813507;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: remember http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf ? 1058657;1426813512;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1980b4w ) 1058658;1426813517;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'pogo' contains a switchable-endianness micro 1058659;1426813518;BingoBoingo;Luke-Jr: Is this on pre or post leveldb? 1058660;1426813525;cazalla;asciilifeform, my reputation for poverty IRL might not match with what goes on here simply because the one thing i will spend money on is food/drink.. every unit i've rented furnished with second hand goods, i've purchased clothing from the same places (mind you, have not purchased clothing in at least 2 years) 1058661;1426813537;Luke-Jr;BingoBoingo: post of course. LevelDB is part of the Bitcoin consensus protocol now. 1058662;1426813561;asciilifeform;how does a db end up thought of as part of the protocol ? 1058663;1426813575;BingoBoingo;Luke-Jr: LevelDB bitcoin doesn't build on my favored *nix at all. 1058664;1426813577;Luke-Jr;afaik only the guys here are trying to maintain any sort of pre-leveldb codebase now 1058665;1426813583;Luke-Jr;BingoBoingo: no? :o 1058666;1426813588;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: it is necessarily 1058667;1426813602;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: but why does it matter on protocol level what kind of db is used locally ? 1058668;1426813609;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: I mean the consensus protocol 1058669;1426813618;Luke-Jr;which is inherently defined by the code 1058670;1426813631;BingoBoingo;Luke-Jr: OpenBSD. I had the choice of debugging a bunch of wank or reverting to 0.7.2 and hand patching. 1058671;1426813646;Luke-Jr;if leveldb fails to insert a UTXO, then a transaction creating that UTXO is invalid by the consensus rules 1058672;1426813651;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: but why does it matter on protocol level what kind of db is used locally ? 1058673;1426813669;Luke-Jr;BingoBoingo: ah, hm. I wonder how easily just adding some OpenBSD checks similar to the FreeBSD ones would go 1058674;1426813676;BingoBoingo;Some people had built 0.9.x -sh on openbsd according to stories but no recipies were supplied 1058675;1426813680;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: consensus protocols are not like network protocols 1058676;1426813708;asciilifeform;yes but why 'leveldb.' say i'd like to use a db which runs on a martian trinary computer and writes bits to miniature dead babies turned in one of two directions 1058677;1426813731;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: if it is not bug-for-bug compatible with LevelDB, someone can fork you off the network 1058678;1426813731;asciilifeform;how does consensus care, so long as i answer queries in precisely same way as 'leveldb' user 1058679;1426813736;BingoBoingo;Luke-Jr: Well for openbsd builds fired live the big change isn't db at all, but in wallet.cpp changing the random call to a better one (should not be necessary in -current or 5.7) 1058680;1426813743;midnightmagic;NetBSD builds and syncs to head almost trivially now. 1058681;1426813758;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: if you emulate LevelDB perfectly, you are fine, correct 1058682;1426813784;midnightmagic;Linux on PPC builds and syncs to head based on the bigendian patch. I have not verified it against a current git yet. 1058683;1426813798;BingoBoingo;midnightmagic> NetBSD builds and syncs to head almost trivially now. << But so much memory unsafety 1058684;1426813804;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: can you give an example of a 'wedge' which could be pounded in to create this fork ? 1058685;1426813813;midnightmagic;BingoBoingo: hm? 1058686;1426813818;asciilifeform;there are still plenty of non-'leveldb' nodes operating 1058687;1426813830;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: for example, back when Bitcoin's consensus protocol used BDB, one such wedge was the lock limit 1058688;1426813842;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: since fixed 1058689;1426813852;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: know of another ? 1058690;1426813852;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: yes, but not without a fork 1058691;1426813853;BingoBoingo;midnightmagic: Example of a NetBSD problem set. http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/invented-by-openbsd 1058692;1426813854;assbot;invented by openbsd ... ( http://bit.ly/1981kJA ) 1058693;1426813859;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: it's coincidence. if there is ever an insert which succeeds in leveldb but fails in bdb, those nodes will no longer be capable of sync'ing to head. 1058694;1426813862;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: if we knew about it, it wouldn't exist anymore ;) 1058695;1426813938;Luke-Jr;a non-db example that we are currently getting rid of is the non-DER signatures 1058696;1426813955;Luke-Jr;that's a consensus rule based on old versions of OpenSSL code 1058697;1426813977;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: most those problems I've read so far are only problems if you let randos log in to your bitcoind box. I personally would not be interested in running a non-dedicated bitcoind box on any OS. 1058698;1426813986;asciilifeform;^ 1058699;1426814010;asciilifeform;but midnightmagic is thinking of security, rather than forkholes 1058700;1426814084;asciilifeform;!up Luke-Jr 1058701;1426814093;Luke-Jr;"forkholes" *are* security relevant 1058702;1426814094;BingoBoingo; a non-db example that we are currently getting rid of is the non-DER signatures << Has the problem of people creating such sigs really happened outside of the goxnode retardation beginning block 168001? 1058703;1426814103;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: if the usg charlatans want to create a fork with incompatible tx validation rules, they are welcome to. 1058704;1426814117;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: the thing I'd be more concerned about was the recent non-random random number generator they committed to released versions. 1058705;1426814129;Luke-Jr;BingoBoingo: if someone wants to trick you into accepting an invalid block, they can use this to do so 1058706;1426814131;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: they dodged a bullet and nobody's called them on it 1058707;1426814136;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: freebsd turned stool pigeon long ago 1058708;1426814142;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: when it ditched gcc 1058709;1426814150;BingoBoingo;^ 1058710;1426814178;BingoBoingo;The entire FreeBSD 10 series is a replay of the 5 series retardation on steroids 1058711;1426814180;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: Bitcoin's rules are defined by what people use. Nobody is using the 0.5.3.1 fork. 1058712;1426814214;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: let's insert a link to the old thread here, so we don't have to repeat it. 1058713;1426814216;BingoBoingo;^ Noone used Theos NetBSD fork in 1996 1058714;1426814238;Luke-Jr;OSs are not a consensus system 1058715;1426814242;midnightmagic;how is it a stool pigeon? 1058716;1426814266;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic i don't think anyoine's using them anymore seriously. 1058717;1426814269;midnightmagic;Also, I don't know much about FreeBSD except they caught their shitty /dev/random mistake before it was released to production 1058718;1426814275;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#985417 << that one 1058719;1426814275;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 03:29:14; mircea_popescu: !up Luke-Jr 1058720;1426814291;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: it -was- released to production 1058721;1426814296;asciilifeform;plenty of folks run -CURRENT 1058722;1426814300;asciilifeform;i had a box with it, for instance 1058723;1426814311;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: it was released to -current, running -current is explicitly disclaimed. 1058724;1426814332;BingoBoingo;Luke-Jr> OSs are not a consensus system << No but every OS fork is a far less grave experiment actual onsensus systems must consider 1058725;1426814338;midnightmagic;yeah, I run -current on NetBSD occasionally too.. 1058726;1426814340;midnightmagic;:-( 1058727;1426814357;asciilifeform;folks doing dev work of one kind or another - run 'current' 1058728;1426814364;asciilifeform;whether like it or not. 1058729;1426814366;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058571 << what the fuck % packaging is that ? 1058730;1426814366;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 00:29:13; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pogo_crate.jpg 1058731;1426814376;mircea_popescu;the actual unit is tiny, makes the crate look like it's 60% packaging 1058732;1426814384;midnightmagic;yeah, kernel devs. In context, running bitcoind on -current, probably not a great idea given extensive -current history of breakage 1058733;1426814390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's mostly cardboard, as you can tell 1058734;1426814400;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't intend to bring the cardboard 1058735;1426814420;midnightmagic;like the really unfortunate backout of the M:N threading model on NetBSD. that was a sad time. 1058736;1426814450;mircea_popescu;threading works on netbsd ? 1058737;1426814466;asciilifeform;threading works on any posix 1058738;1426814487;mircea_popescu;i tyhought they were stuggling with getting it to work. 1058739;1426814488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99387 @ 0.00029365 = 29.185 BTC [+] {2} 1058740;1426814493;mircea_popescu;musta misread. 1058741;1426814501;*;asciilifeform shudders to imagine a unixlike os where threading flakes 1058742;1426814512;mircea_popescu;bsd is bsdlike neh ? 1058743;1426814528;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: M:N threading was a solaris-like, more-performant-than N:N threading model that nate committed to netbsd, but due to its complexity had to be backed out because nobody could maintain it or reliably fix bugs in it. 1058744;1426814544;mircea_popescu;aha 1058745;1426814545;asciilifeform;https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/share/misc/bsd-family-tree?view=markup 1058746;1426814547;assbot;[base] Contents of /head/share/misc/bsd-family-tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1xkJqyR ) 1058747;1426814547;midnightmagic;idea was, only spawn additional *kernel* threads to service user threads where it was absolutely necessary 1058748;1426814589;midnightmagic;breakfast-time, sorry to derail convo 1058749;1426814593;*;midnightmagic waves 1058750;1426814730;*;BingoBoingo really dislikes the way leveldb handles memory. 1058751;1426814771;*;BingoBoingo would rather not have to run a Bitcoind in -leper mode if he gets more powerful sparc hardware 1058752;1426814782;asciilifeform;the 'bug for bug' thing is set to be an actual problem in the future. 1058753;1426814825;BingoBoingo;It is, just like in TeX but more urgent 1058754;1426814827;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034831 1058755;1426814827;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 21:24:28; mircea_popescu: you're stuck with that. how do you think the original fork happened. 1058756;1426814829;asciilifeform;^ that thread. 1058757;1426814836;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1058758;1426814845;Luke-Jr;well, LevelDB is being excluded from libbitcoinconsensus at least 1058759;1426814855;mircea_popescu;only way to manage it i can think of at the moment is disallowing the power ranger imbeciles from further commits 1058760;1426814865;mircea_popescu;this having already been done... we'll have to figure something out. 1058761;1426814888;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: bug-for-bug is okay if all consensus code is kept carefully audited 1058762;1426814888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dare say i did figure out. but not enough hands here. 1058763;1426814892;Luke-Jr;ignoring CPU issues.. 1058764;1426814899;mircea_popescu;no rush anyway. 1058765;1426814904;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: try to understand the actual scope of such an audit 1058766;1426814911;BingoBoingo;At the time of the 2013 fork I humbly though resolution would be possible. I mean it is just making DB's agree. Yet... LevelDB is a mess. 1058767;1426814915;asciilifeform;should be enough to make your stomach do pirouettes 1058768;1426814935;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058647 <>< not. 1058769;1426814935;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 01:01:13; BingoBoingo: Question: Is chav capitalized or not in proper usage? 1058770;1426814948;asciilifeform;i thought it was 'chavv' 1058771;1426814951;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: K, working on that UK piece 1058772;1426814976;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, it is one syllible 1058773;1426814992;asciilifeform;do we even get a 'vv' in engl. and if so, what human sound does it correspond to 1058774;1426815026;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058662 << lol best not ask. 1058775;1426815026;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 01:06:01; asciilifeform: how does a db end up thought of as part of the protocol ? 1058776;1426815037;asciilifeform;i can picture how 1058777;1426815042;asciilifeform;but was hoping the answer is something else 1058778;1426815057;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You don't ger such sound it corresponds to choking on saliva 1058779;1426815060;mircea_popescu;through a bunch of ignorant twerps using words they don't understand the meaning of, in the context of their self-allocated importance ? 1058780;1426815067;asciilifeform;aha how else 1058781;1426815075;*;asciilifeform has understood that there is not an else 1058782;1426815089;mircea_popescu;i'm sure it'll do just as well as all preivious rehashes of this process. 1058783;1426815095;BingoBoingo;Anyone have a link for britania's private key siezure turding? 1058784;1426815109;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there was one in here around 12 hrs ago 1058785;1426815136;*;BingoBoingo is atm only on the fall of the empire 1058786;1426815215;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: you audit only the changes 1058787;1426815232;BingoBoingo;thx 1058788;1426815234;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: the changes being contemplated involve losing 100% of the original 1058789;1426815234;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058664 << contrary to what you might have erroneously come to believe a) 0.5.1 version as printed by the bitcoin foundation is the cannonical version of bitcoin ; b) various groups of scammers trying to attack bitcoin are continuously pushing their own versions of solidcoin, which has all the importance of ms boring's bitcoin chamber of commerce. 1058790;1426815234;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 01:06:17; Luke-Jr: afaik only the guys here are trying to maintain any sort of pre-leveldb codebase now 1058791;1426815237;Luke-Jr;it's managable with a single implementation 1058792;1426815246;mircea_popescu;"only audit the changes" ? 1058793;1426815281;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: in the old thread, that is; it was about a hypothetical clean re-implementation of the whole thing 1058794;1426815315;asciilifeform;Luke-Jr: and there mircea_popescu observed that such a thing would have to come with a strong proof of equivalence to be worth taking seriously 1058795;1426815321;mircea_popescu;where does all this braindamage stem from, seriously. what's the difference between an "only audit the changes auditing process" and dead reckoning ? 1058796;1426815333;BingoBoingo;!up brendafdez 1058797;1426815352;mircea_popescu;every time you change anything you're stuck auditing the whole thing you changed./ 1058798;1426815362;asciilifeform;^ 1058799;1426815373;asciilifeform;what kind of dope does one need to take to even imagine otherwise ? 1058800;1426815397;mircea_popescu;same dope that they weren't smart tosling in the first place. 1058801;1426815397;asciilifeform;but apparently this dope is being passed out, because i routinely run into folks who have this kind of mental bug 1058802;1426815399;mircea_popescu;ended up eating it. 1058803;1426815416;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1043874 1058804;1426815416;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 02:28:39; asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' 1058805;1426815452;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058668 << gotta admire the insistence on branding. here's a thought : gavin's neck was broken in public. you don't come out of that by inventing a new word to try and rally support around. 1058806;1426815452;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 01:06:49; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: I mean the consensus protocol 1058807;1426815467;mircea_popescu;you don't have support, principally because you were not good enough, and failed to grasp this in time. 1058808;1426815469;asciilifeform;for a corpse, he's doing a good deal of dancing. 1058809;1426815482;mircea_popescu;not my fault usg is into necrophillia. 1058810;1426815499;mircea_popescu;but in his defense, pretty much his entire career consists of party entertainment in costume, so... 1058811;1426815500;asciilifeform;pyronecrocryptozoophilia. 1058812;1426815570;thestringpuller;lol cryptophilia 1058813;1426815632;asciilifeform;'consensus' is a beloved usg-ism >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2014#926290 1058814;1426815632;assbot;Logged on 17-11-2014 04:49:54; asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.' 1058815;1426815633;brendafdez;i thought you may want ot have a laugh and it seems it wasn't shared here yet: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/18/want_to_dodge_nsa_supply_chain_taps_ask_cisco_for_a_dead_drop/ 1058816;1426815634;assbot;Cisco posts kit to empty houses to dodge NSA chop shops • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/18NafQH ) 1058817;1426815648;brendafdez;" 1058818;1426815648;brendafdez;Cisco has poked around its routers for possible spy chips, but to date has not found anything because it necessarily does not know what NSA taps may look like, according to Stewart." :D 1058819;1426815661;asciilifeform;what a muppet show 1058820;1426815662;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the sake of historical accuracy, re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058687 : bitcoin STILL USES the bdb protocol. 1058821;1426815662;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 01:10:30; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: for example, back when Bitcoin's consensus protocol used BDB, one such wedge was the lock limit 1058822;1426815663;asciilifeform;'spy chips' 1058823;1426815671;mircea_popescu;leveldb has mostly been beaten into submission to it. 1058824;1426815679;mircea_popescu;but the first time it didn't submit its chain was abandoned 1058825;1426815688;mircea_popescu;and the second time it won't, if that happens, its chain will be also abandoned. 1058826;1426815717;mircea_popescu;i can see why the gavin troop would like the defense of "we have already moved the protocol once" to rely on, but it's simply not true. 1058827;1426815766;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: With Cisco the NSA spying likely begins on the main silicon out of the factory 1058828;1426815775;mircea_popescu;^ 1058829;1426815785;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't ask cisco for their own heads on a platter. 1058830;1426815791;asciilifeform;begins with every fart of the program design and ends with the crate which is opened yet again for good measure 1058831;1426815801;asciilifeform;simply to be loudly found out and distract from above. 1058832;1426815813;brendafdez;Don't be so mean, they are busy looking for the spy chips 1058833;1426815818;mircea_popescu;im kinda surprised cisco still pretends to be in business 1058834;1426815821;asciilifeform;and for the wreckerz 1058835;1426815830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how about that one! they've not sold anything to anyone since last year. and yet... 1058836;1426815832;asciilifeform;for the враги народа 1058837;1426815842;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they sell to the usual captive audience, that suffices 1058838;1426815850;mircea_popescu;right right. 1058839;1426815856;asciilifeform;plus the consumer crud (linksys) they bought out 1058840;1426815871;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: Spy chips are what keep Cisco in business 1058841;1426815906;asciilifeform;!up Luke-Jr 1058842;1426816011;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058711 << lmao. newer versions are forks, yo. that's the definition of the words. 1058843;1426816012;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 01:16:20; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: Bitcoin's rules are defined by what people use. Nobody is using the 0.5.3.1 fork. 1058844;1426816045;brendafdez;Oh, that's sad, I though I knew eho they'd just hired to look for them. "Yeah I suppose the sad story in here is that if you show supposedly literate teenagers the insides of a USB stick they may be seeing it for the first time, and if you demand they point out the actual memory cores to save their lives they may well not be able to." http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/#comment-95546 1058845;1426816045;assbot;How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18NbTBW ) 1058846;1426816046;mircea_popescu;and no, bitcoin's rules are not defined by "what people use". 1058847;1426816088;mircea_popescu;if that were the actual criteria, then "bitcoin" would be green and printed on paper. 1058848;1426816093;mircea_popescu;cotton paper, to be exact. 1058849;1426816096;asciilifeform;!b 3 1058850;1426816097;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3Z6902M.txt ) 1058851;1426816137;mircea_popescu;the bitcoin rules are defined by what important people use, and as it happens gavin & co are unimportant. 1058852;1426816164;mircea_popescu;to no-one's surprise except i guess a coupla code monkeys here and there who really bought the "doocracy" koolaid. 1058853;1426816440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146300 @ 0.00029711 = 43.4672 BTC [+] {3} 1058854;1426816468;asciilifeform;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/26/feature_zayo_fibre_network_in_london_sewers << vintage but stimulating 1058855;1426816469;assbot;Dark Fibre: Reg man plunges into London's sewers to see how pipe is laid • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/18Ndjw9 ) 1058856;1426816506;*;asciilifeform likes the term 'brown fiber' used in this article, wonders if actual extant term of art or neologism 1058857;1426816556;mircea_popescu;prolly what the crews called it since forever. 1058858;1426816580;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 got tons more of thems. << hmm? 1058859;1426816594;mircea_popescu;pogos. 1058860;1426816602;mod6;ahh. 1058861;1426816615;mod6;yeah, gotta get me one and try it out 1058862;1426816616;asciilifeform;'you’re not going to find a cable poking up in the loo of a data centre when it reaches its destination.' << at one point there was a vendor who pushed a 'robotic rat' for doing precisely this 1058863;1426816621;mircea_popescu;mod6 definitely. 1058864;1426816627;mod6;maybe i'll order one this coming week 1058865;1426816635;mircea_popescu;especially seeing how the ~60 or so nodes left running are really not enough for 2012. 1058866;1426816891;mircea_popescu;and speakin' o travel, http://41.media.tumblr.com/7c1f649d6b585953dc5e85ea0a3f37ce/tumblr_mwelg6qym41s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg 1058867;1426816893;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDyRc5 ) 1058868;1426817152;BingoBoingo;I wish Scotland would have seceeded so I could justify writing "Lower Britain" more often 1058869;1426817201;BingoBoingo;!up brendafdez 1058870;1426817461;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 1058871;1426817462;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 262.96, Best ask: 263.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 263.0, 24 hour volume: 67036.12085919, 24 hour low: 250.33, 24 hour high: 269.5, 24 hour vwap: None 1058872;1426817538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 243205 @ 0.00030067 = 73.1244 BTC [+] {4} 1058873;1426817752;danielpbarron;why does gribble's vwap go away whenever there's the slightest volatility? and why does the vwap work if you get a quote in terms of ounces of gold? 1058874;1426817758;BingoBoingo;!uo n3xtb1gthng 1058875;1426817761;BingoBoingo;!up decimation 1058876;1426817782;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Because it moved from deadstamp to buttfines 1058877;1426817799;danielpbarron;it did it on buttstamp too 1058878;1426817808;*;BingoBoingo inquires if there are any good proofreaders active atm that could serve the qntra 1058879;1426817820;danielpbarron;i am 1058880;1426817828;decimation;lol 'consensus rules' 1058881;1426817872;BingoBoingo;!up n3xtb1gthng 1058882;1426817881;n3xtb1gthng;thanks BingoBoingo 1058883;1426817931;n3xtb1gthng;what's new guys? 1058884;1426818036;mod6;<+Luke-Jr> asciilifeform: Bitcoin's rules are defined by what people use. Nobody is using the 0.5.3.1 fork. << not true. i'm using it. 1058885;1426818062;BingoBoingo;n3xtb1gthng: Well, a bitcoind build that is bigendian friendly for PPC, SPARC, and 68000 would be the tits 1058886;1426818104;n3xtb1gthng;do those arcs run bitcoin today? (standard bitcoin) 1058887;1426818157;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins` 1058888;1426818185;nubbins`;ty 1058889;1426818235;mod6;!up Luke-Jr 1058890;1426818265;Luke-Jr;mod6: on what listening IP? 1058891;1426818282;mod6;a routable one :) 1058892;1426818304;Luke-Jr;I'd like to investigate why my crawler isn't picking it up 1058893;1426818358;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3W20RWJ 1058894;1426818359;assbot;dpaste: 3W20RWJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1B8h5Hg ) 1058895;1426818379;Luke-Jr;8 connections generally means not listening 1058896;1426818403;mod6;o.O how is it syncing blocks then? 1058897;1426818424;Luke-Jr;outbound connections 1058898;1426818453;mod6;tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8333 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1058899;1426818459;Luke-Jr;… 1058900;1426818480;Luke-Jr;0.0.0.0 is not routable, so this tells me nothing. 1058901;1426818492;brendafdez;BingoBoingo I'm available, too. Not sure about the 'good' part, though. 1058902;1426818515;mod6;hmm. derp. 1058903;1426818548;mod6;one sec. 1058904;1426818633;danielpbarron;is bitcoind still giving out version numbers to other nodes? 1058905;1426818661;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: of course 1058906;1426818662;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 143.1676222 BTC. Current weight: 47,015. 1058907;1426818664;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 103.31517126 BTC. Current weight: 88,245. 1058908;1426818667;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 143.1676222 BTC. Current weight: 47,015. 1058909;1426818703;n3xtb1gthng;is there a philosophical reaosn you don't build some level of seigniorage into bitcoin? (as some alt's have)? 1058910;1426818730;n3xtb1gthng;seigniorage would incentivize spending and usage/adoption. (even at a very moderate leve.) 1058911;1426818763;danielpbarron;n3xtb1gthng, that is the kind of thing bitcoin has come to destroy 1058912;1426818798;Luke-Jr;n3xtb1gthng: in what sense? it costs more to mine bitcoins than you get already 1058913;1426818824;danielpbarron;arguably, bitcoin *is* doing that thought, as it only costs what? 150 USD worth of electricty to mine 1 bitcoin which should be worth millions of USD 1058914;1426818888;n3xtb1gthng;Luke-Jr, I mean if there is a nominal inflation that is automatic (beyond the very low percentage caused by mining) that would incentivize spending, and since people want to spend it, adoption (people will accept it). 1058915;1426818897;danielpbarron;and why would we want to incentivize spending?? doesn't that goal contradict "mass adoption" ? 1058916;1426818900;n3xtb1gthng;I mean a low percentage of seigniorage, not like 10% inflation or anything. 1058917;1426818912;danielpbarron;"hey you! adopt this! ok now spend it! get rid of it! quick!" 1058918;1426818912;n3xtb1gthng;danielpbarron, ?? spending = mass adoption 1058919;1426818932;n3xtb1gthng;danielpbarron, I'm totally unclear. spending literally == (=========) adoption, when it comes to a currency? 1058920;1426818933;danielpbarron;bitcoin is currently inflating 1058921;1426818942;mod6;goddamnit im retarded 1058922;1426818942;Luke-Jr;n3xtb1gthng: such a thing would violate the social contract; altcoins don't have a preexisting social contract to adhere to 1058923;1426818945;n3xtb1gthng;danielpbarron, it's losing value, not inflaitng. 1058924;1426818957;danielpbarron;n3xtb1gthng, spending is literally the opposite of adopting as you are necessarily getting rid of the thing you are spending 1058925;1426818969;PeterL;saving == adoption 1058926;1426818972;danielpbarron;n3xtb1gthng, 3.6k bitcoin are created daily 1058927;1426818975;trinque;Luke-Jr: what "social contract" does bitcoin have? 1058928;1426818997;n3xtb1gthng;danielpbarron, I disagree. if twenty people are trading seashells at a rate of twenty trades happen per day, that is high adotpion. at the rate of 1 seashell gets traded per year, that is low adotpion. adoption = spending. 1058929;1426819014;danielpbarron;n3xtb1gthng, what altcoin are you here to pump? 1058930;1426819018;n3xtb1gthng;none 1058931;1426819020;cazalla;oh look n3xtb1gthng is yet another person suggesting i spend my money, gtfo 1058932;1426819045;n3xtb1gthng;cazalla you can both spend money and get money? The definition of a 'currency' is just a unit you do this in? 1058933;1426819067;mircea_popescu; is there a philosophical reaosn you don't build some level of seigniorage into bitcoin? (as some alt's have)? << about the same sort of philosophical reason as not building a tail into you. 1058934;1426819071;mircea_popescu;like some other monkeys have done. 1058935;1426819084;n3xtb1gthng;cazalla - I mean if you didn't want the possibility of spending it, how is it even money? It's only money because you know people will accept it :) :) And that comes from the fact that they accept everyone else's - i.e. high adoption. 1058936;1426819093;PeterL;trinque: the "social contract" of bitcoin is the "spec" as laid out by satoshi in the white paper 1058937;1426819115;trinque;PeterL: I was looking for a definition of the phrase 1058938;1426819126;n3xtb1gthng;If someone isn't receiving hundreds of bitcoins per day from any other source, how do you know they will accept yours? And if you don't know they will accept yours, how do you know that you hold money? adoption = acceptance and usage 1058939;1426819128;brendafdez; if there is a nominal inflation that is automatic (beyond the very low percentage caused by mining) that would incentivize spending, and since people want to spend it, adoption (people will accept it). << sounds like keynesian braindamage 1058940;1426819130;cazalla;n3xtb1gthng, if people willingly accept my worthless dollars, i would be foolish to give them something of actual value eh 1058941;1426819174;brendafdez;If that was a feature, we'd be using Freicoin 1058942;1426819177;mircea_popescu;!down n3xtb1gthng 1058943;1426819179;cazalla;anyway i don't need this aggravation, had enough of it today 1058944;1426819190;danielpbarron;n3xtb1gthng, as long as MPEx accepts my coin I'm alright with it 1058945;1426819199;mircea_popescu;srsly, random shitheads know what things are now. what is this, the future ? 1058946;1426819226;mircea_popescu;... 1058947;1426819254;mircea_popescu;Jun 07 17:31:33 *ninjashogun (~User@catv-212-96-61-236.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #bitcoin-assets 1058948;1426819265;mircea_popescu;interestingly enough, all the idiots are the same one idiot. 1058949;1426819265;cazalla;lol 1058950;1426819279;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does this work. 1058951;1426819322;trinque;hungary for attention? 1058952;1426819336;mod6;Luke-Jr: anyway, im trying to listen on -port=8333 but i think aws is doing something funny. 1058953;1426819361;*;brendafdez fucked it, I thought it was Luke-Jr saying that shit. 1058954;1426819374;Luke-Jr;mod6: IIRC AWS has some kind of firewall by default 1058955;1426819398;trinque;Luke-Jr: yep, gotta enable things in the security group 1058956;1426819457;Luke-Jr;anyhow, wife demands me in bed, so ttyl 1058957;1426819518;decimation;mod6: you gotta turn off the firewall in aws/ec2 1058958;1426819521;decimation;for every port of interest 1058959;1426819554;trinque;mod6: note you can open it only for another security group 1058960;1426819563;decimation;look under the 'security groups' column in your instance 1058961;1426819575;decimation;imma compiling aws now too 1058962;1426819576;trinque;that's convenient if you're going ec2 -> ec2 1058963;1426819596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i instantly knew who it was 1058964;1426819603;*;mod6 hangs head 1058965;1426819616;mircea_popescu;how ? 1058966;1426819621;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: needed his nick plus perhaps 3 words out of his idiot mouth 1058967;1426819632;asciilifeform;(mr spam!) 1058968;1426819647;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 << gotta say, nice of all teh peeps sending donations 1058969;1426819649;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1B8lHwQ ) 1058970;1426819785;mod6;i think that's mostly my testing + taxation 1058971;1426819826;mircea_popescu;you sent teh .1337 ? 1058972;1426819853;mircea_popescu;neways, five cents here, a cent there etc 1058973;1426819854;mod6;yeah, and .01337498 and a bunch of other small amounts 1058974;1426819866;mod6;yeah. its cool tho 1058975;1426819876;mircea_popescu;aha 1058976;1426819953;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah he was ringing my markov model too 1058977;1426819997;mircea_popescu;but this is a totally new topic ? 1058978;1426820011;mircea_popescu;markov how, all the dude was talking about before were genius biznis ideas and stuff. 1058979;1426820034;asciilifeform;his new nick alone was a loud, profane fart in that direction 1058980;1426820060;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058937 << rousseauism, when confronted with "well if the state isn't god's successor, why would anyone listen to it" he came up with a weirdo translation of god in burgeois terms. 1058981;1426820060;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 02:38:35; trinque: PeterL: I was looking for a definition of the phrase 1058982;1426820080;mircea_popescu;god isn't the first warrior anymore, which all other warriors owe fealty too, god is now the first contract which all contracts are derived fro 1058983;1426820091;trinque;mircea_popescu: sounded like a nothing term to me, meaning "accept that this is so" 1058984;1426820093;trinque;yeah 1058985;1426820099;mircea_popescu;nonsense through and through, but whadda ya want, encyclopedists, ie transhumanists v1.0 1058986;1426820182;mircea_popescu;(the Dictionnaire raisonne des sciences, des arts, et des metiers. was essentially a b-a of the time fork of human knowledge of the time. it was wildly successful in spite of being mostly wrong) 1058987;1426820328;trinque;I don't know much about rousseau, except that I recall him being mentioned by someone who was arguing bureaucracy was the greatest of all human inventions, and this with utter seriousness 1058988;1426820346;decimation;mircea_popescu: but many of the folks in that wot ended up throwing derps into the woodchipper 1058989;1426820359;mircea_popescu;trinque that's about where you'd expect it. 1058990;1426820373;trinque;person was a fucking moron who worshipped big govt 1058991;1426820375;mircea_popescu;decimation who, d'alembert ? lebreton ? 1058992;1426820410;mircea_popescu;trinque bureaucracy has its uses. the problem is that the context it'd be useful in and the context in which it thrives are so wildly divorced. 1058993;1426820428;mircea_popescu;sorta like how wolves would make excellent guard dogs, if only they stopped going and killing all the sheep and stayed at the fucking door instead. 1058994;1426820451;asciilifeform;one might even say: bureaucracy was the first computer 1058995;1426820452;decimation;voltaire, et al weren't exactly fans of the ancien regime 1058996;1426820456;asciilifeform;computer of meat 1058997;1426820493;trinque;I can see the point; a space is declared within which rules and processes accumulate 1058998;1426820495;asciilifeform;peter 1 introduced bureaucracy in ru, and is worshipped for it 1058999;1426820498;mircea_popescu;voltaire was a great fan, what are you talking about ? 1059000;1426820507;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ayup/ 1059001;1426820524;trinque;but doing the accumulation as a good in itself seems to be where the insanity lies? 1059002;1426820542;trinque;I recall the self-licking ice cream cone metaphor 1059003;1426820546;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the computer of meat approach may well explain why it sucks so bad since 1900s. not a bad heuristic. 1059004;1426820567;asciilifeform;it is how i always explain it to n00bs 1059005;1426820583;asciilifeform;can make a computer out of near-anything 1059006;1426820590;asciilifeform;but the only suitable material, in the old days, was meat 1059007;1426820594;mircea_popescu;the other thing is : bureaucracy makes an excellent woman and an applaing man. 1059008;1426820612;mircea_popescu;for as long as bureaucracy = the slaves of peter, or julius, or w/e, that may well work. 1059009;1426820613;[]bot;Bet placed: 20 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 103.1868 BTC. Current weight: 79,985. 1059010;1426820619;trinque;so happens the fan of bureaucracy was female 1059011;1426820644;mircea_popescu;once people try to be run by a bureaucracy however... god help'em. 1059012;1426820746;mircea_popescu;even patently retarded stuff like "Smart contracts" seem preferable by that experience. 1059013;1426820816;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUdQuy6SZc 1059014;1426820818;assbot;Hermes Bureaucrat song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzqJYM ) 1059015;1426820829;asciilifeform;^ 1059016;1426820832;mircea_popescu;til "transhumanism" has a logo 1059017;1426820837;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does this work. 1059018;1426820845;mircea_popescu;i've never seen cancer this organised before. 1059019;1426820862;asciilifeform;take it up with thiel 1059020;1426820872;asciilifeform;who, as i understand, is paying 1059021;1426820922;mircea_popescu;oh, is that it ? 1059022;1426820926;asciilifeform;aha 1059023;1426820928;asciilifeform;him. 1059024;1426820935;mircea_popescu;"Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international cultural and intellectual movement with an eventual goal of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities." 1059025;1426820954;asciilifeform;note that not even remotely true as printed on the crate 1059026;1426820978;mircea_popescu;why so shy you know ? what's wrong with "Transhumanism is Thiel's stab at b-a. He thinks Omidyar's stab at qntra failed for reasons unrelated." 1059027;1426820998;asciilifeform;-zero- actual work on lickliderian or engelbartian 'intelligence amplification' concept from these bozos 1059028;1426821005;asciilifeform;much less anything actually hard like ai 1059029;1426821016;mircea_popescu;"This article is about the futurist ideology and movement. For the critique of humanism, see posthumanism. For the pattern of seasonal migration, see transhumance. For persons experiencing incongruence between their actual gender and the gender assigned to them at birth, see trans man, trans woman, and transgender." << best part imo. 1059030;1426821034;asciilifeform;l0l! 1059031;1426821057;asciilifeform;no mention of trans fats? 1059032;1426821061;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't understand how the world works. "nobody's using bitcoin, nobody could have foreseen their using a plane as a rocket and nobody's doing anything better nor anything better could exist than ... you know, raising awareness" 1059033;1426821072;asciilifeform;or transesterification ? 1059034;1426821074;mircea_popescu;it's a thing, all this. 1059035;1426821091;mircea_popescu;"The most common thesis put forward is that human beings may eventually be able to transform themselves into beings with such greatly expanded abilities as to merit the label posthuman." 1059036;1426821113;mircea_popescu;check it out lmao, an international cultural and intellectual "movement" that aspires to one day... label soemthing! 1059037;1426821114;asciilifeform;'able' because cthulhu will wish it ? 1059038;1426821132;mircea_popescu;no but it's splendid. so they aspire to... names! 1059039;1426821167;mircea_popescu;maybe humanity could go to transyale and get a transphd ? 1059040;1426821181;trinque;someday we will be caught up in the heavens with white robes, and our bodies will be purified 1059041;1426821201;trinque;there's gotta be a damn circuit for this shit in the head 1059042;1426821203;asciilifeform;trinque: they have a literal version of this! 1059043;1426821205;asciilifeform;'uploading' 1059044;1426821207;mircea_popescu;"This hypothesis would lay the intellectual groundwork for the British philosopher Max More to begin articulating the principles of transhumanism as a futurist philosophy in 1990 and organizing in California an intelligentsia that has since grown into the worldwide transhumanist movement." 1059045;1426821211;trinque;asciilifeform: lol oh I know 1059046;1426821222;trinque;it is techno-christianity 1059047;1426821235;mircea_popescu;basically this is scientology bahai ? do they speak esperanto ? 1059048;1426821238;asciilifeform;trinque: it was slightly more interesting before was obvious sc4mz0r1ng 1059049;1426821260;mircea_popescu;"Influenced by seminal works of science fiction, the transhumanist vision of a transformed future humanity has attracted many supporters and detractors from a wide range of perspectives." aaahahahaha 1059050;1426821266;mircea_popescu;dude omfg... this is a parody is it ? 1059051;1426821267;asciilifeform;when tech was actually kinda moving, '70s-80s, and a number of things looked quasi-plausible with one eye closed 1059052;1426821272;mircea_popescu;wikipedia is turning into tvtropes. 1059053;1426821273;trinque;asciilifeform: yudkowski even invented the beast or satan or w/e, that AI that resolves to abuse your eternal soul forever if you oppose it 1059054;1426821282;asciilifeform;trinque: aha 1059055;1426821282;trinque;hm might not have been him, but I read he fears it 1059056;1426821288;asciilifeform;no it was him 1059057;1426821294;mircea_popescu;how do you abuse the eternal soul ? 1059058;1426821299;mircea_popescu;make it read bad fanfic about "bullies" ? 1059059;1426821317;trinque;pls don't trigger me 1059060;1426821320;asciilifeform;he actually proclaimed a fatwa, since deleted (iirc) justifying the murder of anyone who might risk bringing about this situation 1059061;1426821324;trinque;triggered for all time! 1059062;1426821325;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is max moore is what i wanna know 1059063;1426821353;mircea_popescu;"Max More (born Max T. O'Connor, January 1964) is a philosopher and futurist who writes, speaks, and consults on advanced decision-making about emerging technologies." 1059064;1426821357;mircea_popescu;... 1059065;1426821361;asciilifeform;!s jaron lanier 1059066;1426821362;assbot;6 results for 'jaron lanier' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jaron+lanier 1059067;1426821365;asciilifeform;!s digirati 1059068;1426821366;assbot;0 results for 'digirati' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=digirati 1059069;1426821369;asciilifeform;^ them. 1059070;1426821373;decimation;we discussed lanier earlier 1059071;1426821375;asciilifeform;that entire social set. 1059072;1426821388;mircea_popescu;so like... being a playboy model without the tits ? 1059073;1426821406;asciilifeform;'public intellectuals' 1059074;1426821424;mircea_popescu;not quite. 1059075;1426821429;asciilifeform;as seen elsewhere on the planet. cocksucking sycophants of the most degenerate imaginable kind 1059076;1426821433;mircea_popescu;public intellectuals are actually educated people. 1059077;1426821440;mircea_popescu;how about "marketeers without a product" ? 1059078;1426821447;asciilifeform;using the phrase in the derisive chinese sense 1059079;1426821471;decimation;their produt is 'pay attention to meee' 1059080;1426821472;asciilifeform;(as described in http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-rage-of-cultural-elites.html ) 1059081;1426821473;assbot;ClubOrlov: The Rage of the Cultural Elites ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrL2Jb ) 1059082;1426821483;mircea_popescu;Founder of the Extropy Institute, Max More has written many articles espousing the philosophy of transhumanism and the transhumanist philosophy of extropy,[6] most importantly his Principles of Extropy (currently version 3.11) 1059083;1426821487;mircea_popescu;ok, this im reading then 1059084;1426821509;mircea_popescu;"Extropy is a proposed opposing concept to entropy. As entropy decreases , signifying more order, so extropy would increase in the manner of negentropy." 1059085;1426821518;mircea_popescu;holy shit. enthalpy never happened ? 1059086;1426821520;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the actual founding document of mr y's garbage is actually this: http://mindstalk.net/vinge/vinge-sing.html 1059087;1426821522;assbot;Vernor Vinge on the Singularity ... ( http://bit.ly/198l4wD ) 1059088;1426821529;mircea_popescu;god im sick of fucktarded usians giving their name to random items. 1059089;1426821537;mircea_popescu;"and this tree i call jorje". 1059090;1426821539;*;asciilifeform has an ancient copy of this, printed on matrix printer, yellowed with ages 1059091;1426821560;mircea_popescu;"Extropy also attempts to describe the nature of the order, so a crystal , although highly ordered would have low extropy, but an organism or machine would have high extropy because of the informational structure contained within it. " 1059092;1426821565;mircea_popescu;where's my red F 1059093;1426821565;asciilifeform;vinge was (is?) a maths prof who went off the reservation and turned into a 3rd rate sf writer 1059094;1426821586;mircea_popescu;http://www.extropy.org/principles.htm 1059095;1426821587;assbot;Object not found! ... ( http://bit.ly/198linx ) 1059096;1426821594;mircea_popescu;check out the complexity. fucking fucktards already. 1059097;1426821615;asciilifeform;!s vinge 1059098;1426821616;assbot;3 results for 'vinge' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vinge 1059099;1426821645;asciilifeform;possibly '3rd rate' is uncharitable. but he is quite unreadable today 1059100;1426821648;*;asciilifeform tried 1059101;1426821655;decimation;of course all of them would dismiss the YHWH worshipping Jews and Christians as credulous simpletons 1059102;1426821672;decimation;but fear the great AI demon! 1059103;1426821688;mircea_popescu;Date: Thu, March 19, 2015 11:21 pm 1059104;1426821688;mircea_popescu;To: webmaster@extropy.org 1059105;1426821688;mircea_popescu;Hello, we 1059106;1426821688;mircea_popescu;think you are stupid. 1059107;1426821688;mircea_popescu;Carry on. 1059108;1426821703;asciilifeform;decimation: never mind that not one could describe the first thing about building a computer which does not barf regularly 1059109;1426821704;trinque;:D 1059110;1426821739;decimation;asciilifeform: hey, they have a research program 1059111;1426821753;mircea_popescu;In the mid-1970s F.M. Esfandiary legally[5] changed his name to FM-2030 for two main reasons. Firstly, to reflect the hope and belief that he would live to celebrate his 100th birthday in 2030 1059112;1426821761;mircea_popescu;died in 2000. 1059113;1426821805;mircea_popescu;must suck to be these people. 1059114;1426821821;asciilifeform;they have... phaith! 1059115;1426821836;mircea_popescu;The concept of the technological singularity, or the ultra-rapid advent of superhuman intelligence, was first proposed by the British cryptologist I. J. Good in 1965: "Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever." 1059116;1426821840;asciilifeform;betcha he croaked convinced to the hilt he'd be ancestor-simmed. 1059117;1426821840;mircea_popescu;check it out... 1059118;1426821868;mircea_popescu;i love these scientists that don't even bother putting magic numbers in the code anymore. 1059119;1426821877;mircea_popescu;hey asciilifeform have we far surpassed yet or not ? 1059120;1426821899;asciilifeform;much. 1059121;1426821919;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/H%2B_Cover_1.jpg << "Cover of the first issue of h+ Magazine, a web-based quarterly publication that focuses on transhumanism." 1059122;1426821920;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/198mLKk ) 1059123;1426821950;mircea_popescu;apaprently the future is with bad lipstick and weirdo muslim headwear. 1059124;1426821951;asciilifeform;the vinge essay is pertinent to the 'phoom' (actual name, iirc, for the apocalypse mechanism mr y believes in) 1059125;1426821986;mircea_popescu;;;google Natasha Vita-More nude 1059126;1426821987;gribble;Natasha Vita-More on Whole Body Prosthetic - YouTube: ; Bone Density on Vimeo: ; Natasha Vita-More on Vimeo: 1059127;1426821992;mircea_popescu;mmmkay. 1059128;1426822003;asciilifeform;'phoom' is, in his cosmology, the conflagration resulting from a 'non-friendly' (read: not designed under mr y's tutelage) thinking machine which sets to work improving and crafting copies of self 1059129;1426822013;asciilifeform;out of the remaining universe (how? ask him, not me) 1059130;1426822031;asciilifeform;this is also called 'paperclipping' 1059131;1426822034;mircea_popescu;wikipedia goes through an entire bio article without resolving her relationship to the max more dude. 1059132;1426822049;bitstein;asciilifeform:he actually proclaimed a fatwa, since deleted (iirc) justifying the murder of anyone who might risk bringing about this situation << Roko's Basilisk at least frightened people enough for him to delete everything about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LessWrong#Roko.27s_basilisk 1059133;1426822051;assbot;LessWrong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/198npHM ) 1059134;1426822051;asciilifeform;from an illustration where a malevolent apparatus converts all of the matter in the universe into paperclips. 1059135;1426822072;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why exactly do we suspect very intelligent machines would reproduce ? 1059136;1426822077;mircea_popescu;very intelligent humans don't seem to. 1059137;1426822124;asciilifeform;in his doctrine, it wasn't specified as something they would necessarily do to reproduce in the animal sense, but as a side-effect of operation 1059138;1426822137;mircea_popescu;right. just like people. 1059139;1426822141;asciilifeform;sorta like fire doesn't distinguish between 'designated' fuel and your house 1059140;1426822149;mircea_popescu;but fire is not intelligent. 1059141;1426822163;asciilifeform;basically he proposed that intelligence per se could behave like fire. 1059142;1426822175;mircea_popescu;so his idea of superintelligence is superstupidity ? 1059143;1426822178;asciilifeform;aha. 1059144;1426822184;mircea_popescu;way to let one's own wounded narcisism get hold of the whole cart. 1059145;1426822202;mircea_popescu;seriously eliezer baby : first off we know you're stupid, and second off it really doesn't make much difference. okay ? 1059146;1426822204;mircea_popescu;let it rest. 1059147;1426822211;asciilifeform;specifically that any 'superintelligence' not crafted under his tutelage would inevitably turn into a world-burner of superstupid 1059148;1426822242;decimation;mircea_popescu: the problem is that he's been 'endowed', which means his new career is to pump this stuff out 1059149;1426822244;mircea_popescu;sorta like unbaptised kids ? 1059150;1426822247;mircea_popescu;!up poli_ 1059151;1426822252;poli_;Hey 1059152;1426822257;mircea_popescu;decimation hardly much of a problem neh ? 1059153;1426822263;mircea_popescu;and who might you be poli_ ? 1059154;1426822270;poli_;Is Milk here? I have a question regarding Bitbets. 1059155;1426822271;decimation;well, insofar as it acts as a bezzlar sink, no 1059156;1426822277;poli_;An enterprising bitcoin lover. 1059157;1426822290;mircea_popescu;shoot. 1059158;1426822301;poli_;Referred to this overflowing channel via bitbet as well. 1059159;1426822310;mircea_popescu;decimation some other guy got a job as area supervisor of kfc, you know ? nothing wrong with it. 1059160;1426822320;mircea_popescu;poli_ so what's your question ? 1059161;1426822341;poli_;I was curious as to what kind of political questions are allowed. 1059162;1426822346;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm half convinced that yudkowsky's job is to tie up the brain cpu cycles of folks who could amount to something 1059163;1426822350;asciilifeform;into harmless masturbatorium 1059164;1426822363;poli_;My own specialty is in politicaly analysis and I've been waiting for the chance to put my knowledge to good use. 1059165;1426822368;trinque;asciilifeform: "the beautiful ones" 1059166;1426822369;mircea_popescu;poli_ so go for it. 1059167;1426822375;asciilifeform;his forum housed the largest collection of people who showed symptoms of having a brain which i ever encountered prior to #b-a 1059168;1426822385;asciilifeform;at least, encountered in one place 1059169;1426822386;poli_;As in ask the question here? 1059170;1426822407;mircea_popescu;yes. 1059171;1426822419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform interesting. 1059172;1426822425;mircea_popescu;anyone willing to admit an ex lesswrong persona ? 1059173;1426822426;poli_;Why not, sure. 1059174;1426822429;danielpbarron;!s "ask to ask" 1059175;1426822430;assbot;6 results for '"ask to ask"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22ask+to+ask%22 1059176;1426822436;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: admit << me. 1059177;1426822439;poli_;I know lesswrong all to well. 1059178;1426822452;mircea_popescu;o.O 1059179;1426822452;asciilifeform;http://lesswrong.com/user/asciilifeform/overview 1059180;1426822453;assbot;Overview for asciilifeform - Less Wrong ... ( http://bit.ly/198p3t3 ) 1059181;1426822463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you got banned for spamming ? 1059182;1426822472;asciilifeform;not quite 1059183;1426822489;asciilifeform;just told that 'the likes of you ain't welcom' 1059184;1426822508;mircea_popescu;"Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment that assumes that an otherwise benevolent future artificial intelligence (AI) would torture the simulated selves of the people who did not help bring about the AI's existence. [...] The concept was proposed in 2010 by contributor Roko in a discussion on LessWrong. Yudkowsky deleted the posts regarding it and banned further discussion of Roko's basilisk on LessWrong after it had 1059185;1426822508;mircea_popescu;apparently caused several contributors who took it seriously considerable anguish." 1059186;1426822510;poli_;But anyways, mine question. Would I be allowed to bet on the following question: President Poroshenko will cease to be president of the Ukraine within 4 months. 1059187;1426822511;asciilifeform;but in all fairness i haven't pushed the knob on that account in years 1059188;1426822515;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. why would anyone care about some simulation ?! 1059189;1426822518;asciilifeform;no idea if still worx 1059190;1426822521;mircea_popescu;poli_ yes. 1059191;1426822527;poli_;Well the idea is that Roko's basilisk 1059192;1426822530;mircea_popescu;afaik there's a bunch of these. 1059193;1426822533;poli_;will motivate people into bringing it around 1059194;1426822539;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why would anyone care about some simulation << in mr y's world, the simulated organism -is- you 1059195;1426822540;poli_;thereby bringing the simulation into existence 1059196;1426822556;poli_;So burn all the records so people dont think of it 1059197;1426822568;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1007/president-obama-impeached-before-2015/ etc 1059198;1426822569;assbot;BitBet - President Obama Impeached before 2015 :: 0.01 B (6%) on Yes, 0.15 B (94%) on No | closed 4 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/198plzZ ) 1059199;1426822578;poli_;Sweet, and thanks for the answer on the question. 1059200;1426822586;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/761/venezuelan-president-to-step-down/ etc 1059201;1426822587;assbot;BitBet - Venezuelan President to step down :: 0.34 B (17%) on Yes, 1.61 B (83%) on No | closed 11 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/198pmUy ) 1059202;1426822608;mircea_popescu;poli_ hit the search button, select politics and all bets, and see what the cat drags. 1059203;1426822615;poli_;and I don't mean 'impeached', I mean 'cease beingr president', but whatever means fate happens to employ. 1059204;1426822617;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what do you mean "is" 1059205;1426822627;bitstein;asciilifeform: great link you had posted back in 2009: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.org.mensa/YnGkZSpALew/vsr0iDobXDwJ 1059206;1426822629;assbot;Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/198ptPW ) 1059207;1426822637;asciilifeform;'is' (in their view) in the same way as the 'you' who goes to the toilet and then comes back 'is' you. 1059208;1426822643;poli_;I figured you wouldn't be allowed to bet on overtly non-legal happenings. Thanks for the help Mircea 1059209;1426822649;asciilifeform;bitstein: penny is inimitable and timeless 1059210;1426822688;mircea_popescu;poli_ so do they keep attacking wikipedia to take it off ? 1059211;1426822699;asciilifeform;bitstein: she was one of the more interesting folks i ever saw on the net. entirely vanished, long ago. 1059212;1426822715;mircea_popescu;i don't get the argument tho, why is superai of the future influenced by ruminations of humans today 1059213;1426822718;poli_;No idea. I stopped following Lesswrong a while back. 1059214;1426822733;poli_;They got super spergy and fairly degen. 1059215;1426822740;mircea_popescu;;;ud dege 1059216;1426822741;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dege | Bre 2 : Alow him fam hes a top dege, chek his high bats. Bre 1 : LOL Example 2. Bre 1 : That dege gets ber rude fam, i dashd his book out da window. Bre 2 : LOL  ... 1059217;1426822742;mircea_popescu;;;ud degen 1059218;1426822742;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=degen | A degen is one step above the dero or derelict in the scale of madness. Scozz Walker ... Gamblers consider other gamblers degens, but not themselves usually. 1059219;1426822743;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the idea is that the mega-ai appears and has, somehow (forget physics for a moment) a total record of all things 1059220;1426822744;bitstein;asciilifeform: is there an archive somewhere of her writing? 1059221;1426822748;poli_;Plus, I didn't think the Roko's Basilisk scenario was all that likely. 1059222;1426822756;poli_;personal opinion there 1059223;1426822758;asciilifeform;bitstein: google groups has most of it, but no longer searchable. 1059224;1426822761;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform then it's done, no ? 1059225;1426822770;asciilifeform;bitstein: my hard disk has the 2nd largest, i suspect. 1059226;1426822792;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha done 1059227;1426822811;asciilifeform;but thinking about it was giving some of mr y's gurlz nightmares 1059228;1426822812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what happens if i make two simulations of the same one slavegirl and order them both to fight to the death ? 1059229;1426822817;asciilifeform;and so he declared jihad 1059230;1426822833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i haven't tried this 1059231;1426822835;mircea_popescu;(while the original's watching, of course) 1059232;1426822844;asciilifeform;so cannot rightfully apprehend what happens 1059233;1426822845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78100 @ 0.00029644 = 23.152 BTC [-] 1059234;1426822857;asciilifeform;who is stronger, the elephant or the whale. 1059235;1426822860;mircea_popescu;i suppose i got to ask lesswrong, they seem to know all sortsa shit about how shit that doesn't exist works. 1059236;1426822881;asciilifeform;i did say to mr y 'inventing circuit breaker before discovering electric current' 1059237;1426822886;asciilifeform;there was no interesting reply. 1059238;1426822892;poli_;indeed Mircea. 1059239;1426822896;poli_;indeed. 1059240;1426822913;asciilifeform;thing is, he wasn't always a charlatan 1059241;1426822921;asciilifeform;was once an enthusiastic self-taught kid 1059242;1426822924;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/uk-regulates-self-out-of-bitcoin/ 1059243;1426822927;asciilifeform;wrote to him in the '90s while also a kid 1059244;1426822932;decimation;I take all of the above writing as evidence that the authors in question have never tried to create a real simulation on an actual computer 1059245;1426822935;asciilifeform;my first pgp-gram actually. 1059246;1426822935;mircea_popescu;all sorts of fun could be had here. what if i get a simulation of me to impregnate the actual girl, and then i impregnate the simulation of her. 1059247;1426822948;asciilifeform;he wrote back, seemed like a c00l d00d 1059248;1426822952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform self-teaching IS quite like fire. 1059249;1426822970;mircea_popescu;i've known many of these, they look like radiation. sooner or later start moving toward wall. 1059250;1426822970;asciilifeform;at the time he actually was trying to scarf up all there was written re: ai, hoping to build something new 1059251;1426822994;asciilifeform;the 'flip' happened, iirc, some time in the early 2000s when his brother died of mysterious death 1059252;1426823000;asciilifeform;mr y had a breakdown of sort 1059253;1426823009;mircea_popescu;was he bullied ? 1059254;1426823013;asciilifeform;fuck if i know 1059255;1426823022;mircea_popescu;would explain a lot of bad fiction i read in sumary. 1059256;1426823024;asciilifeform;he was drummed out of school as a youth 1059257;1426823030;asciilifeform;for what, i do not know 1059258;1426823036;mircea_popescu;can't figure out how to thank that physics dude that read what seems like > 500 pages of shit. 1059259;1426823049;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i meant the bro. 1059260;1426823065;asciilifeform;http://richardkulisz.blogspot.com/search/label/yudkowsky << another mr y h8t3r 1059261;1426823067;assbot;Richard Kulisz: yudkowsky ... ( http://bit.ly/198rEmI ) 1059262;1426823079;asciilifeform;^ also old net crackpot 1059263;1426823083;bitstein;asciilifeform: ah, okay. i'll peruse that. 1059264;1426823095;*;asciilifeform does not endorse mr k wholesale 1059265;1426823106;asciilifeform;but stimulating reading 1059266;1426823128;mircea_popescu;decimation i have the same impression. 1059267;1426823150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00030268 = 1.6042 BTC [+] 1059268;1426823153;mircea_popescu;fucking blogspot. 1059269;1426823184;mircea_popescu;"What is rationality? It's the ability to make life plans which reach your goals." 1059270;1426823188;mircea_popescu;uh. i don't think so. 1059271;1426823210;mircea_popescu;rationality is a purely linguistic property, it has exactly nothing to do with action. 1059272;1426823266;mircea_popescu;rationality is, basically, the ability to distinguish homomorphisms from homologies. 1059273;1426823275;mircea_popescu;(same structure vs same components) 1059274;1426823279;asciilifeform;i meant the bro << ah i've no idea. found dead in a dark alley, iirc, but nothing publicly out afaik beyond that 1059275;1426823333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00029644 = 1.4081 BTC [-] 1059276;1426823335;asciilifeform;homomorphisms from homologies << doug hofstadter spent a good chunk of his life bashing head against this 1059277;1426823388;mircea_popescu;aha 1059278;1426823419;mircea_popescu;farg is probably one of the better approaches to the ai problem, at any rate. 1059279;1426823440;poli_;Thanks again for the help Mircea, talk to yall later 1059280;1426823459;mircea_popescu;cheers] 1059281;1426823499;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this discussion inspires me to the following ai standard : a computer that can distinguish code from data is rational. 1059282;1426823896;brendafdez;ben_vulpes pls check message :P 1059283;1426823922;mircea_popescu;"It annoys me that idiots continue to use "oh wow, that's so amazing" as the measure of creative genius. Or even worse, that they rely on society's direction to determine who is a creative genius and who isn't. First of all, creative geniuses are RESPECTED and LOOKED UP TO by society. And any position that is looked up to will be coveted by Narcissists who are driven by Glory, such as Richard Feynman who all his life w 1059284;1426823922;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1059285;1426823922;mircea_popescu;as driven to be a jerkass asshole and a thief." 1059286;1426823930;mircea_popescu;somebody's got some issues o.O 1059287;1426824035;asciilifeform;mr k is a full-bore crackpot, sorta like yours truly but with heavier radiation damage 1059288;1426824049;asciilifeform;iirc he lives somewhere in canada on a meagre pension 1059289;1426824107;decimation;re: simulation > consider 266 bits. the number of possibilities for those bits is equal to the number of electrons in the universe 1059290;1426824113;mircea_popescu;The Real Deal 1059291;1426824114;mircea_popescu;How do I know I'm the real deal instead of a crazed nutter? Because I tend to elicit the 'damn, that's so obvious now' reaction from people who elicit that same reaction from people like you. 1059292;1426824145;mircea_popescu;decimation i don't think anyone seriously considers that entire "simulation as life" thing outside of fiction. 1059293;1426824147;decimation;how is that not exactly the same as "oh wow, that's so amazing' 1059294;1426824147;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1059295;1426824160;mircea_popescu;it's just too dependent on vast ignorance. 1059296;1426824196;decimation;mircea_popescu: one cannot speak with certainty about the whereabouts of a single electron, even with infinite bezzlars to dispose on the task 1059297;1426824208;mircea_popescu;right. 1059298;1426824241;asciilifeform;decimation: to be fair, even discussing its 'whereabouts' is wrong straight off the bat. 1059299;1426824245;mircea_popescu;it gets worse, there's entire swaths of particles that are mirrored, you'll never know if you've got various pairs right or backwards. 1059300;1426824247;asciilifeform;like dividing by 0. 1059301;1426824248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31335 @ 0.0002959 = 9.272 BTC [-] {2} 1059302;1426824248;decimation;asciilifeform: aye 1059303;1426824260;mircea_popescu;right, something like that. 1059304;1426824291;mircea_popescu;"Labels: creativity, Psychology, yudkowsky". lol. why ?! 1059305;1426824309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14715 @ 0.00029203 = 4.2972 BTC [-] 1059306;1426824326;mircea_popescu;"It's wise to keep track of what your mortal enemies do, and there's little that more exemplifies Pure Evil in this world than Eliezer Yudkowsky." 1059307;1426824330;asciilifeform;because he ran into him and barfed for a year straight 1059308;1426824332;mircea_popescu;such an internet this internet is. 1059309;1426824404;mircea_popescu;how is some geeky kid pure evil ?! 1059310;1426824445;asciilifeform;in mr k's view, the hypothetical ai is alive and building it 'friendly' (to use mr y's term) is an act of diabolical cruelty 1059311;1426824463;asciilifeform;like growing a kid in a glass jar 1059312;1426824467;asciilifeform;or in usa 1059313;1426824485;mircea_popescu;http://hplusmagazine.com/ <><< ahahahaha o may gawd. 1059314;1426824514;mircea_popescu;"Interview: JeRm La Haine — On Transhuman Unit and his new project IAIO" << http://i0.wp.com/hplusmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-12-at-10.58.28-AM.png?fit=300%2C300 1059315;1426824515;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/198w6Sz ) 1059316;1426824535;mircea_popescu;"Crowdfunding: Support Titanovo’s Novel Telomere Testing Technology" complete with their own scams an' errything. 1059317;1426824553;asciilifeform;the fella in that picture is such a jaronlanier 1059318;1426824568;asciilifeform;srsly, why must these folks all look alike ?! 1059319;1426824605;*;asciilifeform 's first paying job, while student, pertained to telomerase 1059320;1426824637;asciilifeform;http://www.jimmunol.org/content/166/11/6647.full << mentioned in the 'monkeys' section 1059321;1426824640;assbot;Induction of Telomerase Activity During Development of Human Mast Cells from Peripheral Blood CD34+ Cells: Comparisons with Tumor Mast-Cell Lines ... ( http://bit.ly/198wH6A ) 1059322;1426824675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75350 @ 0.00028944 = 21.8093 BTC [-] {3} 1059323;1426824694;mircea_popescu;"We thank Stanislav Datskovskiy for his assistance with the measurement of telomerase activity in some of these experiments and Martha Kirby for her expert assistance in the analysis of apoptosis." check you out. 1059324;1426824706;asciilifeform;no prizes for guessing how much use came of this. 1059325;1426824773;mircea_popescu;"Jerm La Haine: I’ve been doing music production and graphic design for just under twenty years now." 1059326;1426824779;decimation;asciilifeform: re: look alike < note that they are all 'alterntive' in the same way. none of them choose to dress like 15th century nobility, for example 1059327;1426824787;mircea_popescu;" Currently I’ve been getting lots of positive attention for my new record label Collective Conscious Records." 1059328;1426824796;mircea_popescu;it's scary what kids today use to describe themselves. 1059329;1426824808;mircea_popescu;decimation shut up, it's LA!!! Haine. 1059330;1426824817;asciilifeform;decimation: aha. nor will they put on a cravat 1059331;1426824846;asciilifeform;you won't catch them dressing up as mircea_popescu 1059332;1426824849;mircea_popescu;(la haine = to clothes, in ro.) 1059333;1426824889;mircea_popescu;"I started the record label because I wasn’t happy with any of the offers i got from other record labels. It’s a way I can release my own stuff on my own terms. After the first couple releases people started getting interested in the label. I’ve even started working out deals with some artists. I recently released a few tracks with Lonnie Dangerous and Collective Conscious Records is getting ready to release an a 1059334;1426824889;mircea_popescu;lbum by Young Boy Hybrid. Currently Collective Conscious Records has eighteen releases available and we have several more on the way this year." 1059335;1426824897;asciilifeform;although to mr mold's credit - the man once proposed that moldbuggerites dress in tweed 'to rebel' 1059336;1426824921;mircea_popescu;the very strange thing here is that he somehow thinks the "releases" are the problem record labels solve. 1059337;1426824965;mircea_popescu;not the market. you're a record label for having 100 singer-songrwiters, that'll make whatever shit, not for having 100mn customers who'll buy whatever you put out. 1059338;1426824968;mircea_popescu;such strange. 1059339;1426825094;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pilo_ I read the whole Yudo Harierzer thing 1059340;1426825095;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1059341;1426825101;decimation;the music label's real 'problem solving' would be knowing how to push the right bellybuttons to force a song to be played in a large chunk of the existing radio stations/youtubes/ipods 1059342;1426825148;mircea_popescu;aye. 1059343;1426825160;mircea_popescu;more of a 90s thing, record label as master of payola. 1059344;1426825176;BingoBoingo; "It's wise to keep track of what your mortal enemies do, and there's little that more exemplifies Pure Evil in this world than Eliezer Yudkowsky." << Dude is harmless can't even kill the little girl without a troll 1059345;1426825203;decimation;yes, the business model is failing. it still exists, but it is a victim of its own success in the sense that it has trained the masses to ignore radio 1059346;1426825208;mircea_popescu;"“Transhuman Strategies” conference March 21 in Silicon Valley—- Tickets Limited! Posted: February 26, 2015 1059347;1426825208;mircea_popescu;What are the Transhuman Goals in the near future? 0 comments" 1059348;1426825212;mircea_popescu;this can't be a thiel thing can it ? 1059349;1426825227;BingoBoingo;Almost has to be 1059350;1426825228;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thiel plus wannebee panhandlers on his door 1059351;1426825234;mircea_popescu;ah. 1059352;1426825239;mircea_popescu;anyone going ? :D 1059353;1426825251;decimation;does anyone here live in the bay area? 1059354;1426825251;BingoBoingo;No I 1059355;1426825261;asciilifeform;btw mr y was running sc4mf3r3nc3z before bitcoin 1059356;1426825266;asciilifeform;for $maxint 1059357;1426825275;mircea_popescu;"Venue: Prospect SIlicon Valley Categories: Brighter Brains, Transhumanism Tags: communications, strategic planning, strategy, SWOT" 1059358;1426825290;mircea_popescu;SWOT! 1059359;1426825318;mircea_popescu;maybe they slip up and built the transhuman bureaucracy, complete with transflipcharts. 1059360;1426825323;asciilifeform;special weapons onanism team ? 1059361;1426825337;asciilifeform;(swot) 1059362;1426825357;mircea_popescu;"What are the Transhuman Goals in the near future? How can these Transhuman ideas permeate the mainstream? Are there ways Transhumanism can assert itself in the political sphere? How can Transhumanist ideas and innovations create a better world now, for billions of people on Earth?" 1059363;1426825364;mircea_popescu;ahaha this is such a delicious target. 1059364;1426825397;mircea_popescu;say timmy... anything you could do with these two burnt matcsticks TO CREATE A BETTER ALPHA CENTAURY FOR MILLIONS OF STARS IN THE GALAXI ?!?!? 1059365;1426825463;mircea_popescu;"The conference begins with a “Meet & Greet” session from 12:15 – 1:00 pm, followed by speakers from 1:00 – 5:00. After the conference, participants will be encouraged to continue the discussion at a nearby bar (location announced at the event). The cost to attend the mini-conferences is only $20; only $15 for students, seniors, and people who travel more than 50 miles to get there. Tickets on sale at EventBrit 1059366;1426825464;mircea_popescu;e HERE." << asciilifeform i doubt about that maxint. 1059367;1426825475;asciilifeform;that's an imitator 1059368;1426825483;asciilifeform;speaking of the 'genuine article' 1059369;1426825488;decimation;only $20? what kind of scammer only asks for one yuppie foodstamp? 1059370;1426825507;asciilifeform;;;google singularity university 1059371;1426825507;gribble;Singularity University | Solving Humanity's Grand Challenges: ; So, What is SU? | Singularity University: ; Graduate Studies Program | Singularity University: 1059372;1426825537;decimation;asciilifeform: did you read about the new fucktarded appleism - the USB type C port? 1059373;1426825539;mircea_popescu;that's accredited ? 1059374;1426825550;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't actually university-shaped 1059375;1426825560;asciilifeform;more like reptilia's 'conference' thing 1059376;1426825561;mircea_popescu;lolk 1059377;1426825582;asciilifeform;decimation: aha, their dock connector 1059378;1426825586;mircea_popescu;The Speaker List includes: Zoltan Istvan – 2016 US Presidential candidate of Transhumanist Party 1059379;1426825586;decimation;yeah 1059380;1426825596;mircea_popescu;fuck, i had no idea there's a transhumanist party. 1059381;1426825598;decimation;apparently does 10 gpbs AND allows 100 watts of charge! 1059382;1426825599;mircea_popescu;decimation you knew ?! 1059383;1426825601;mircea_popescu;a nm. 1059384;1426825602;asciilifeform;(apple released a machine which is entirely unusable without the dock gizmo) 1059385;1426825621;decimation;later google et.al. jumped on the bandwagon 1059386;1426825640;decimation;because it makes so much sense to have the same plug for your power port and your video signal 1059387;1426825648;asciilifeform;and a retreat from the magnetic plug 1059388;1426825668;asciilifeform;which (stolen from korean coffee pots) was the one good idea apple forced through the thick skulls of other vendors 1059389;1426825674;mircea_popescu;i think the plan is to merge coaxial and power lines. 1059390;1426825682;mircea_popescu;i gues tptb don't see fiber in the future of america. 1059391;1426825697;decimation;magplug was a good idea for power 1059392;1426825703;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: power-over-lan is sop among large indoor installations of whatever 1059393;1426825705;asciilifeform;i have it even here 1059394;1426825719;decimation;What I fear is new malwarez installed on your monitor! 1059395;1426825770;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on the other hand, data over mains cable is sop in eu 1059396;1426825773;decimation;or your power supply. or whatever, because who the fuck knows what is going on in your uninspectible 10gbs bus 1059397;1426825783;asciilifeform;works great to the nearest transformer booth (where you need an active amp) 1059398;1426825783;decimation;data over mains cable is a terrible idea 1059399;1426825799;asciilifeform;but even cheaper than 'brown fiber' (see earlier sewer article) 1059400;1426825800;decimation;spams HF spectrum with nasty shit 1059401;1426825803;asciilifeform;and hence doomed to happen 1059402;1426825819;mircea_popescu;^ 1059403;1426825821;decimation;why is it so hard to run a fiber to a neighborhood data center 1059404;1426825832;asciilifeform;decimation: digging rights 1059405;1426825837;mircea_popescu;Speakers list : Maria Konovalenko & Mikhail Batin – Immortality Activists << http://maria-konovalenko.typepad.com/.a/6a01348002e89e970c01348542262a970c-pi 1059406;1426825840;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDWiSw ) 1059407;1426825931;mircea_popescu;"Hank Pellissier is the director of Brighter Brains Institute, and the producer of eight transhumanist conferences in 2013-2015." 1059408;1426825949;mircea_popescu;i guess to the random eye this is === bitcoin 1059409;1426825956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93250 @ 0.00030323 = 28.2762 BTC [+] {2} 1059410;1426825964;asciilifeform;thiel (and possibly friends) seed it. the chumpatronium sustains. 1059411;1426825965;decimation;asciilifeform: it's more than just digging rights. surely the majority of surban homeowners would be more than happy to make their own comcast if they could 1059412;1426825978;asciilifeform;decimation: digging rights in throughfares. 1059413;1426825990;asciilifeform;or what, proposing to connect the suburbanites to each other? 1059414;1426826012;asciilifeform;works in ro where there were sentient lifeforms about, circa 1994 or when 1059415;1426826016;asciilifeform;but usa? forget it 1059416;1426826039;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah exactly that. for a few thousand bucks each, it would be trival to make a small neighborhood isp of great quality 1059417;1426826063;decimation;but the probability that a given set of 100 homes in the the us would be occupied by owners so enlightened.. 1059418;1426826078;asciilifeform;and of never having to traverse city land 1059419;1426826094;asciilifeform;this is actually a problem in ukraine 1059420;1426826098;asciilifeform;in odessa even 1059421;1426826110;asciilifeform;where there is an eternal war between the electric and cable (internet) utils 1059422;1426826110;mircea_popescu;decimation this is exactly how ro internet worked, and the reason ro internet is today in the top 5 worldwide, with 4 azns : that pressure ten years ago 1059423;1426826116;mircea_popescu;and it cost 10s not 1000s of dollars 1059424;1426826116;asciilifeform;like an actual war, with cut cables weekly 1059425;1426826127;mircea_popescu;but i think alf has it : population of psychopaths. 1059426;1426826129;mircea_popescu;it matters. 1059427;1426826201;decimation;in the us, it is common for nearly all homes built after 1970 to be built upon land which is part of an 'hoa' 1059428;1426826220;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, some state authority or other decided to cut cables. the city hall nearly caught fire as a result, and the plan was discontinuied. 1059429;1426826223;decimation;when you buy a home on such land, you automatically agree to whatever fucktarded idea was popular in 1982 1059430;1426826242;mircea_popescu;decimation no idea who'd build on land he didn't own, but hey. 1059431;1426826284;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by that token scarcely anyone on u.s. coasts owns land 1059432;1426826291;asciilifeform;it is virtually wholly encumbered 1059433;1426826302;mircea_popescu;http://maria-konovalenko.typepad.com/blog/2010/06/the-blocking-point.html << check out this transhumanist project. "let's pretend like we're valuable and have skills and people should be queing on our door to give us moneys" 1059434;1426826304;assbot;The Blocking Point - Maria Konovalenko ... ( http://bit.ly/198DnSh ) 1059435;1426826305;decimation;asciilifeform: even in middle america it's the same, on any newer home 1059436;1426826306;mircea_popescu;quite entertaining. 1059437;1426826309;asciilifeform;(not even speaking of taxation) 1059438;1426826322;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, i don't own there. 1059439;1426826325;decimation;you would quite literally need to buy a plot of farmland in the middle of nowhere 1059440;1426826335;decimation;or some ghetto shack 1059441;1426826432;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that vinge dood thinks progress in biology does not depend on computers ? 1059442;1426826433;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1059443;1426826444;asciilifeform;check the date. 1059444;1426826500;mircea_popescu;93 ? what of it ? 1059445;1426826525;asciilifeform;the massive sequence alignment thing wasn't a going concern quite yet. 1059446;1426826546;mircea_popescu;i thought he knew the future. 1059447;1426826565;asciilifeform;the only american sf author who 'knew the future' was robert sheckley. 1059448;1426826577;asciilifeform;or possibly philip dick. 1059449;1426826593;asciilifeform;(saw as darker, more demented version of their own time, naturally) 1059450;1426826599;mircea_popescu;heh. 1059451;1426826604;nubbins`;got the paranoia right anyway 1059452;1426826604;mircea_popescu;accidentallyright.jpg 1059453;1426826624;*;BingoBoingo offers now that if any motherfucker named Dallas Cook is trying to dope me with malware I would advise stopping that felony. 1059454;1426826634;mircea_popescu;anyway, you know those stories about how rich guy heard the paupers / shoeshine boys discuss stocks and bailed ? 1059455;1426826639;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wai wat 1059456;1426826649;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes! but can't recall where 1059457;1426826661;asciilifeform;ancient legend 1059458;1426826665;mircea_popescu;"Progress in computer hardware has followed an amazingly steady curve in the last few decades [17]." << by now moore';s law is currency in trading for everyine, from usgavin to vince whoever. 1059459;1426826665;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1059460;1426826666;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I have no definiteive evidence, but I have obsrved trends 1059461;1426826672;mircea_popescu;i am firmly persuaded that the wall's coming. 1059462;1426826680;mircea_popescu;current computers are best computers, and fu humanity. 1059463;1426826707;asciilifeform;clocked circuits are retarded 1059464;1426826708;asciilifeform;(literally) 1059465;1426826750;asciilifeform;and if you're building computers in the tens or hundreds rather than quajizillions quantities there is no reason not to use germanium, gallium arsenide, doped diamond, etc. chemistries 1059466;1426826756;mircea_popescu;besides the point. here's mp's prediction : the computer that can be had for a one ounce of gold in 2025 will be inferior to the computer that can be had for an ounce of gold today, on computation measures. 1059467;1426826789;mircea_popescu;because industrial infrastructure has been kept in new state by constant improvement. 1059468;1426826793;decimation;mircea_popescu: you are betting against lithography? 1059469;1426826798;mircea_popescu;once improvements go away, infrastructure starts to decay. 1059470;1426826807;BingoBoingo;decimation: Lithograpy has limits 1059471;1426826811;mircea_popescu;decimation litho is already dead, intel's cancelling narrower process etc. 1059472;1426826811;asciilifeform;^ if industrial collapse carries on, it will be difficult to imagine a computer of any description being constructed in 2025 other than out of 'junkyard wars' pieces 1059473;1426826833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unrelated, that. obv it'd be of chinese make in any case. 1059474;1426826853;decimation;I thought they were already on the path for 10 nm 1059475;1426826859;mircea_popescu;look into it. 1059476;1426826866;mircea_popescu;they were onthe path to, decided not to follow it. 1059477;1426826875;mircea_popescu;10nm is maybe not really happening. 1059478;1426826885;asciilifeform;might expensive toy just to keep microshit alive another 2 yrs 1059479;1426826889;asciilifeform;*mighty 1059480;1426826917;mircea_popescu;and yes alf's right, the end of moore is also the end of ms, apple etc. 1059481;1426826927;mircea_popescu;once people start having to optimize, the doocracies are dead. 1059482;1426826933;mircea_popescu;kinda why poettering's in such a hurry, i guess. 1059483;1426826939;BingoBoingo;Shame Sun's already dead 1059484;1426826942;mircea_popescu;as if old code somehow gets forgotten or something, dunno. 1059485;1426826947;asciilifeform;usg pours $maxint into optical logic, but nothing is publicly known re: what, if anything, ever came of it 1059486;1426826962;asciilifeform;not for desktops of idiot tetris-playing dilberts, no 1059487;1426826963;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right. only failure can be kept from the public knowledge. 1059488;1426826988;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The price of old RISC beasts already marches upwards 1059489;1426827000;asciilifeform;any crowned head who has half a brain is sponsoring optical hasher. 1059490;1426827051;decimation;http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/intel-forges-ahead-to-10nm-will-move-away-from-silicon-at-7nm/ < seems like they are still on path for 10 nm 1059491;1426827052;assbot;Intel forges ahead to 10nm, will move away from silicon at 7nm | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDc94b ) 1059492;1426827091;decimation;sounds like they are considering ascii's iii-v chemistry for 7nm 1059493;1426827099;asciilifeform;intel surrendered to chumpification of the most abject kind, sells severely underclocked dies which temporarily 'turbo' up 1059494;1426827190;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/bronx-man-confesses-to-laser-pointer-incident-after-cops-arrest-his-housemate << mega-lol yet again 1059495;1426827192;assbot;Bronx man confesses to laser pointer incident after cops arrest his housemate | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDcIL2 ) 1059496;1426827281;mircea_popescu;decimation from what i recall reading on teh topic, the 14nm process was a total debacle and 10nm is a theory only thing. 1059497;1426827294;*;BingoBoingo is overflowing with Wintel hate atm 1059498;1426827309;BingoBoingo; decimation from what i recall reading on teh topic, the 14nm process was a total debacle and 10nm is a theory only thing << This 1059499;1426827325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo: the basic mechanics here: wintel racket was powered, like many other similar idiocies, by the american 'fat' 1059500;1426827343;asciilifeform;which is to say, it is not enough to con chumps, they must also have fat to be rendered for 1059501;1426827367;asciilifeform;then they can go off to the shops and buy 'windows 95' because the cardboard waving hand says to (actual thing, saw alive, in '95) 1059502;1426827377;asciilifeform;but the blow their fat disposable income on resulting new computer 1059503;1426827380;mircea_popescu;decimation look at it this way : 14nm was demonstrated in memories cca 2005, intel shipped it in 2015. 1059504;1426827385;asciilifeform;without which the idiot crud won't boot 1059505;1426827388;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And then you find old folks on the family tree to which you owe defference 1059506;1426827394;mircea_popescu;10nm was demonstrated... cca 2009 ? 1059507;1426827397;mircea_popescu;it's not happening. 1059508;1426827411;asciilifeform;without fat - nothing to power the engine 1059509;1426827424;decimation;well, it certainly seems that we are at the edge of what silicon can yield 1059510;1426827435;mircea_popescu;economically. 1059511;1426827436;asciilifeform;the folks who are supposed to be buying new computer on microshit's say-so are short a benjie or two for rent this month 1059512;1426827451;mircea_popescu;there's that big bitch in there. ~economically~. the cost for 10nm is alreadyu not covered by the density benefits 1059513;1426827475;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: outside of a handful of 'naggums' - it was -never- justified 1059514;1426827501;asciilifeform;virtually all computer users got vastly more actual 'bang for buck' in 1992 than today 1059515;1426827505;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1059516;1426827524;mircea_popescu;heh. think about bitcoin on pc xt 1059517;1426827540;asciilifeform;not so far-fetched to picture it on pent1 1059518;1426827541;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, but not in terms of raw flops, when massaged properly 1059519;1426827549;asciilifeform;we have essentially that on pogo 1059520;1426827579;decimation;there's little doubt that man's ability to create tiny features on silicon has far outpaced his ability to do something useful with them 1059521;1426827620;asciilifeform;while being one of the really not so many people who found it properly useful, i will still say that ultimately it was a side effect of a mega-scam 1059522;1426827662;decimation;asciilifeform: what's 'it'? the pursuit of small features? 1059523;1426827670;brendafdez;it was a side effect of a mega-scam << ? 1059524;1426827672;mircea_popescu;point being, the trillions needed for 10nm and beyond aren't forthcoming and that's the end of this run. 1059525;1426827687;mircea_popescu;which was a great run, a point that'll be made obvious by the anger of all the hanger-ons once itstops 1059526;1426827753;decimation;whether 10nm is the stopping point or not, I agree that this is the ultimate end. exponentially increasing fab costs cannot abide forever 1059527;1426827765;mircea_popescu;right. 1059528;1426827824;asciilifeform;decimation: what's 'it' << the difference in cpu available to luser today vs. '92 1059529;1426827875;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I think there's some truth to that - ultimately the vast majority of computer-purchasing money is 'dumb money' 1059530;1426827910;asciilifeform;not merely this, but driven to be spent entirely by microshit's idiot 'operating system pr0gr3ss' 1059531;1426828406;asciilifeform;incidentally, the 'laser terrorism' thing is, as always, smoke which is never without fire: 1059532;1426828420;asciilifeform;the helicopter is the symbol of statal power against the peon schmuck 1059533;1426828429;asciilifeform;in every modern evil empire 1059534;1426828445;asciilifeform;the folks on the ground 'must know their place', is the message. 1059535;1426828448;BingoBoingo;The Hind started that 1059536;1426828469;ben_vulpes;the helicopter is an easily pricked balloon. 1059537;1426828476;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah there's some truth to that, wrt aircraft in general too 1059538;1426828505;asciilifeform;decimation: was not always so. think of the 'barnstormers' of the '30s, the '50s delusions of 'every man and his little flying coffin', etc 1059539;1426828529;asciilifeform;but soon it was clear even to imbeciles that flying was an aristocrat's (or totalitarian thug enforcer's...) game. 1059540;1426828531;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, note how aircraft went from tinkering in the barn to 'instruments of power' 1059541;1426828553;decimation;and the similarity with computers 1059542;1426828562;asciilifeform;^ 1059543;1426828718;asciilifeform;incidentally, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/bronx-man-confesses-to-laser-pointer-incident-after-cops-arrest-his-housemate/?comments=1&post=28682927 1059544;1426828720;assbot;Bronx man confesses to laser pointer incident after cops arrest his housemate | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlocRF ) 1059545;1426828721;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ 1059546;1426828728;*;BingoBoingo very angrey atm 1059547;1426828733;decimation;from this point of view, the tinker's duty is to be the Praetorian guard for the state 1059548;1426828799;*;BingoBoingo also incredibly drunk 1059549;1426828815;ben_vulpes; my opinions were formed by several friends eating disinfo that was later traced back to RT, with sink and hooker << hook line and sinker perhaps the phrase? 1059550;1426828827;ben_vulpes;otherwise this is a new one for me 1059551;1426828832;BingoBoingo;sink and hooker is bester 1059552;1426828840;ben_vulpes;hyu 1059553;1426828842;ben_vulpes;k 1059554;1426828844;ben_vulpes;i'll accept 1059555;1426828869;asciilifeform;'i'ma start my own casino now, with sink'n'hookerz' 1059556;1426828886;ben_vulpes;"yeah i'll take the whole thing sink luser and hooker" 1059557;1426828911;ben_vulpes;meh. 1059558;1426829020;*;BingoBoingo dealing with family member brought to malware in an impersonal way, but I want to take this transgression very personally 1059559;1426829101;*;BingoBoingo smash is default setting here 1059560;1426829341;*;BingoBoingo recognizeds /me very drunk and traveling to India to /smash would be a challenge 1059561;1426829357;*;BingoBoingo still leans towards .smash as a remedy 1059562;1426829406;decimation;ben_vulpes: sigh, got bitcoind built on aws, now I got to buy more storage space :( 1059563;1426829425;brendafdez;aws was the best alternative? 1059564;1426829430;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lemme guess, the old classic 'fake av' sc4m 1059565;1426829444;decimation;brendafdez: it's an alternative 1059566;1426829454;decimation;as I recall, folks here have had good luck with 'vultr' too 1059567;1426829464;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Torrent seed node sc4m 1059568;1426829467;ben_vulpes;well, 'good'. 1059569;1426829489;ben_vulpes;shit goes goes down and comes up more frequently than an expert cocksucker. 1059570;1426829575;decimation;ben_vulpes: what? aws? 1059571;1426829587;ben_vulpes;vultr. 1059572;1426829588;asciilifeform;'So the thing that interests me the most is that this doesn't seem to have been weaponized by anyone. I'd think, given how much disparity there is between modern military units and insurgent groups and how much of that relies on air superiority, that we'd be hearing regularly about lasers being used to blind combat air pilots...' << from comments 1059573;1426829590;decimation;ah. 1059574;1426829596;ben_vulpes;for all the hate it gets around here, aws is pretty solid 1059575;1426829600;ben_vulpes;untrustworthy, but what is. 1059576;1426829603;decimation;agreed, it does seem solid 1059577;1426829613;decimation;doesn't need to be trusted if nothing secret is on it 1059578;1426829624;ben_vulpes;still 1059579;1426829626;ben_vulpes;i'd love me a dedi 1059580;1426829640;decimation;well, yeah, but I love me $k per month 1059581;1426829662;ben_vulpes;jurov linked a thing, some 50 us/mo iirc for dedis 1059582;1426829676;trinque;!up deedbot- 1059583;1426829680;decimation;seems dubious 1059584;1426829695;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1059585;1426829696;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LyiHVO ) 1059586;1426829705;trinque;deedbot you fuck 1059587;1426829708;ben_vulpes;trinque: get that thing on your account and get it upped permanently, would you? 1059588;1426829711;BingoBoingo;So cheap black box with pf stops all undesirable traffic. Still some poor ass brown fucks (likely) managed to land malware on my mum's computer which would make it a mega seed node for shows available freely on OTa networks. 1059589;1426829727;*;BingoBoingo saw letter boils in anger 1059590;1426829733;BingoBoingo;And vodka 1059591;1426829772;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1059592;1426829773;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNORR5 ) 1059593;1426829785;trinque;weird, in pm that works. 1059594;1426829790;*;trinque goes to poke the tenyks 1059595;1426829795;trinque;BingoBoingo: yeah I will 1059596;1426829800;trinque;* ben_vulpes ^ 1059597;1426829820;*;BingoBoingo plans on setting up mum and edge router lite, but in the interim... Imma drink so much vodka 1059598;1426829824;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1059599;1426829825;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNP6vp ) 1059600;1426829857;*;asciilifeform may be hearing of a fella drinking on account of a crapware incident for the first time 1059601;1426829879;decimation;ben_vulpes: as I recall the stuff hosted on aws didn't have any problems with mr. ddos 1059602;1426829890;*;BingoBoingo so pissed I might have to wander till I find a coyote just to have a fair fight as I kick its teeth out. 1059603;1426829906;ben_vulpes;decimation: aws drops those packets iirc 1059604;1426829938;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This is only exceptional in the sense that there are potentially nameable enemies who might b attribule 1059605;1426829964;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo drinks on occasions? 1059606;1426829973;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But since they have already earned the shitlist. 1059607;1426829985;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Occasions just make me drink moar. 1059608;1426829994;decimation;amusingly the http://www.ntp.org/ page has a box begging people to block non-assigned ips from ingressing or egressing 1059609;1426829995;assbot;ntp.org: Home of the Network Time Protocol ... ( http://bit.ly/1LyjtSw ) 1059610;1426829995;ben_vulpes;kinda what i'm getting at 1059611;1426830068;BingoBoingo;Hatorade isn't even a charitable description of my current beverage. 1059612;1426830268;trinque;deedbot-: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1059613;1426830269;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LyiHVO ) 1059614;1426830271;deedbot-;imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF 1059615;1426830273;trinque;you fuck 1059616;1426830276;*;BingoBoingo impressed he can maintain this anger while his democratocally elected mayor struggles to breathe http://www.bnd.com/2015/03/18/3718138/highland-mayor-takes-big-step.html 1059617;1426830278;assbot;Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1xDY9Q6 ) 1059618;1426830285;ben_vulpes;trinque: did it not work? 1059619;1426830302;trinque;ben_vulpes: note the two deedbots which were necessary to make it listen 1059620;1426830312;ben_vulpes;hahahaha 1059621;1426830312;trinque;yet direct_only=False in the command 1059622;1426830313;ben_vulpes;no. 1059623;1426830315;trinque;whatever I'll figure it out 1059624;1426830315;ben_vulpes;i did not. 1059625;1426830325;ben_vulpes;meatfilters kicked in. 1059626;1426830329;trinque;haha 1059627;1426830337;trinque;one more try and I'll stop shitposting 1059628;1426830341;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1059629;1426830342;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xDYl1C ) 1059630;1426830347;BingoBoingo;trinque: Just copy the punkbot interface 1059631;1426830363;BingoBoingo;!up FrankU 1059632;1426830366;trinque;BingoBoingo: the way it currently is, it just eats whatever URL 1059633;1426830376;trinque;sees whether it's a key or message, does the right thing 1059634;1426830386;trinque;I'm having to mention it though to get it to pay attention to commands 1059635;1426830393;trinque;which... not the behavior in the manual 1059636;1426830397;trinque;I am probably doing something wrong 1059637;1426830404;BingoBoingo;trinque: The way punkbot did had no real commands. 1059638;1426830412;trinque;BingoBoingo: yeh that's how this will be 1059639;1426830430;BingoBoingo;I have my fears and reservations 1059640;1426830470;trinque;life's scary 1059641;1426830519;BingoBoingo;So noone's going to give a cheer to cheif Joe for making it from rehab to a nursing home? 1059642;1426830531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45256 @ 0.0002928 = 13.251 BTC [-] 1059643;1426830607;decimation;ben_vulpes: what size volumes do you use? 1059644;1426830782;ben_vulpes;100g 1059645;1426830789;ben_vulpes;+ 1059646;1426830796;decimation;sigh 1059647;1426830801;decimation;that's 5 large per month 1059648;1426830820;BingoBoingo;Not in pounds sterling... anymore 1059649;1426830828;asciilifeform;http://io9.com/watch-a-pair-of-tank-mounted-fighter-jet-engines-exting-1675620218 << vintage l0l 1059650;1426830829;assbot;Watch A Pair Of Tank-Mounted Fighter Jet Engines Extinguish An Oil Fire ... ( http://bit.ly/1xDZQgc ) 1059651;1426830836;ben_vulpes;for ssds sure 1059652;1426830850;decimation;magnetic is 5 cents per gb-month 1059653;1426830945;*;decimation contemplates having aws image network-mount his home 'block store' 1059654;1426830962;ben_vulpes;hm no then my memory's flawed 1059655;1426830973;decimation;$60 per year is for rich folk 1059656;1426831009;ben_vulpes;mayhap 1059657;1426831022;ben_vulpes;per earlier thread, now is the time to lay in magnetic drives, chips and ram. 1059658;1426831141;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058637 < trying to practice 1059659;1426831141;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 00:58:04; asciilifeform: possibly the most dangerous animal to be in the lands of usg (and au, as i understand, is a kind of target practice range for usg idiocies) is the fella with just enough to be worth skinning, but three or four zeroes short of mircea_popescu-esque atomic dirigible where he can hit back 1059660;1426831204;ben_vulpes;practicing hitting back? 1059661;1426831208;*;ben_vulpes did not parse 1059662;1426831221;BingoBoingo;No appologies from there are possible. Fuckers targetted my mum. 1059663;1426831248;decimation;no, I should have included his earlier point. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058631 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058634 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058635 1059664;1426831248;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 00:55:00; asciilifeform: cazalla clearly has insufficient reputation for poverty 1059665;1426831248;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 00:56:22; asciilifeform: cultivate this reputation. 1059666;1426831248;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 00:56:30; asciilifeform: it may well save your skin 1059667;1426831266;ben_vulpes;aha 1059668;1426831461;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1059669;1426831463;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1BKC ) 1059670;1426831480;BingoBoingo;Some lite skinned indian motherfucker was trying to exhaust my mum's ISP connection by seeding torrents of tv shows available over the air. I am the anger. 1059671;1426831509;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1059672;1426831509;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1LS7 ) 1059673;1426831518;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if it makesyafeelbetter, a phriend of mine once pwned an indian spamwalla centre where they did this. 1059674;1426831522;trinque;oh derp 1059675;1426831524;trinque;!up deedbot- 1059676;1426831528;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1059677;1426831529;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1QFl ) 1059678;1426831531;deedbot-;imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF 1059679;1426831533;trinque;there it goes 1059680;1426831568;*;asciilifeform must be off to sleep, and will leave you folks with http://engwonders.byethost9.com/e047.html 1059681;1426831568;assbot;LONDON'S HYDRAULIC POWER ... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1Wgl ) 1059682;1426831571;asciilifeform;^ goes esp. for ben_vulpes 1059683;1426831595;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The worst part is I know this had to have been targetted. Someone had to spend a non-trivial amount of time. I suspect a partcular name and yet... 1059684;1426831624;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: You ever smuggled living people out of Usia? 1059685;1426831649;BingoBoingo;!up smidge 1059686;1426831723;brendafdez;BingoBoingo hahah no :P 1059687;1426831734;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: You ever try? 1059688;1426831769;brendafdez;BingoBoingo selling staff on our local eBay was easier, laziness always wins for me 1059689;1426831780;brendafdez;*stuff 1059690;1426831785;trinque;staff lol 1059691;1426831812;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: are you willing to listen to a story in 3 parts? 1059692;1426831817;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1059693;1426831818;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1QFl ) 1059694;1426831819;deedbot-;imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF 1059695;1426831821;brendafdez;BingoBoingo urm why not 1059696;1426831885;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: So you know USia has federalism. The state level (Illinois in this case) defers to the county. In this case corrupt as St Clair county which contains East StL in its borders. 1059697;1426831931;ben_vulpes;that looks like a good, trinque 1059698;1426831941;trinque;;;later tell mircea_popescu deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/thing.txt << still needs the colon, but now figures out whether it's a key or deed on its own 1059699;1426831942;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1xE2X7T ) 1059700;1426831942;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1059701;1426831953;BingoBoingo;For the longest time allegedly St Clair county has tried to fuck with me. 7 hours ago St Clair county seems to have made the jump from fucking with me specifically to fucking with members of my family. 1059702;1426831954;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeh how do I associate the fucker with my account? 1059703;1426831966;*;trinque could be less lazy and poke nickserv himself 1059704;1426831970;ben_vulpes;make a new nick 1059705;1426831983;ben_vulpes;associate it with your account by specifying your existing email iirc 1059706;1426831993;ben_vulpes;or register it or however that works 1059707;1426832001;ben_vulpes;poop into #freenode, get cloak for it 1059708;1426832010;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: I'm of dutch and not sicilian ancestry so I can't make strong promises of vengance based on besmirching the family name. 1059709;1426832019;ben_vulpes;ask kakobrekla about it, he's savvy to bot dynamics 1059710;1426832021;trinque;ben_vulpes: ah k, no special "dis here be my bot" 1059711;1426832025;trinque;k 1059712;1426832031;ben_vulpes;also you'll wnt to talk to kakobrekla about permavoice in any event 1059713;1426832040;brendafdez;BingoBoingo over here in brendaland utc -3 is a good time for stories :P also i hate that it's too hot and can't sleep. I was trying to avoid selling more btc to get a/c considering winter is supposed to be coming 1059714;1426832047;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: I do however feel much less safe here in the middle west than I did even 24 hours ago 1059715;1426832113;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo over here in brendaland utc -3 is a good time for stories :P also i hate that it's too hot and can't sleep. I was trying to avoid selling more btc to get a/c considering winter is supposed to be coming << Bingo is not all powerful like MP, but for the right price could correct all of these problems 1059716;1426832146;*;BingoBoingo wishes his adversaries in USia would Va a Chengarse 1059717;1426832226;brendafdez;BingoBoingo right for whom ;) 1059718;1426832290;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: How familiar are you with William James and his psychology? 1059719;1426832324;brendafdez;I'm not sure if 'not at all' conveys the whole meaning of my degree of ignorance 1059720;1426832348;BingoBoingo;Well one can always elaborate more 1059721;1426832418;brendafdez;So your feelings of 'unsafeness', where do they stem from? 1059722;1426832433;brendafdez;I mean 1059723;1426832439;BingoBoingo;From being in the middle of a hostile wasteland 1059724;1426832456;brendafdez;Leaving USia would be hard? 1059725;1426832461;BingoBoingo;Some years I am surrounded by Corn, the others soybeans 1059726;1426832483;brendafdez;Well, here in Arg there are soybeans aplenty 1059727;1426832499;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: Well, I'd have to get further south than Mexico. They might want me for lab work 1059728;1426832511;brendafdez;but if you live close to the field you'll likely get intoxicated by the monsanto crap+ 1059729;1426832533;BingoBoingo;I live very close to fields I am prolly lost in that way already 1059730;1426832552;brendafdez;dunno, maybe they are slightly more careful with that over there 1059731;1426832602;BingoBoingo;I've lived through a warm midwestern spring already where you can smell the pigshit on the beanfields. Not a thing to relive voluntarily 1059732;1426832646;trinque;that's what the texas panhandle smells like 1059733;1426832647;brendafdez;story is making me love the big town 1059734;1426832653;brendafdez;oh hah 1059735;1426832661;trinque;shit and chemicals 1059736;1426832673;trinque;I drove through there moving to the pacific nw 1059737;1426832694;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: If you want to love anything at all here you would love the St Louis Cardinals. best art show in the middle west 1059738;1426832719;brendafdez;just move here to argentina already :) 1059739;1426832729;BingoBoingo;I need a way out 1059740;1426832813;BingoBoingo;I actually kinda want to visit the phillipines before argentina 1059741;1426832815;brendafdez;tbh, I doubt I'd be able to get a US tourist visa even, at the moment 1059742;1426832839;BingoBoingo;Eh, not really worth it. What is there left to see? 1059743;1426832919;brendafdez;dunno, but even just for the language id like to go. I mean it's weird for me speaking english so much in the internet, and never having been to an en speaking place. 1059744;1426832968;brendafdez;it was an enjoyable experience when I lived in Germany for a brief period, a couple of months, just getting to speak the local language gave me the thrills (I'm weird, I know :P) 1059745;1426833059;brendafdez;There I fell in love with a Russian girl, it was in 2008, it was awesome that we'd both speak with each other in a language that was foreign for both, felt special, like being in bitcoin these days (? 1059746;1426833158;*;BingoBoingo kinda wants to it the phils before .ar to pick up a cheap wife 1059747;1426833174;BingoBoingo;German as a language is the suck 1059748;1426833188;brendafdez;BingoBoingo if much of your feelings of unsafeness stem from local State corruption, you'd like it in Argentina. It's not that there's no corruption over here, on the contrary, but they get to interefere much less with peoples lives. The fact that people here see the US as the land of freedom really boggles the mind. 1059749;1426833209;brendafdez;IT was the hottest thing ever, girl whispering in german softly to your ear... ahhh priceless. 1059750;1426833222;BingoBoingo;That's the problem. Here they pretend no corruptness while being sooper corrupt. 1059751;1426833224;brendafdez;even with her russian accent, only made it better 1059752;1426833268;*;BingoBoingo thinks bagging a north Korean chick would be better than Everest 1059753;1426833349;BingoBoingo;Just the German language doesnt allow for the flirting that makes the pursuit fun 1059754;1426833420;brendafdez;They must be really cheap :P 1059755;1426833477;trinque;ICH WILL DICH 1059756;1426833483;trinque;sounds like you're going to drain her blood 1059757;1426833494;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: In USia everything is cheap 1059758;1426833509;brendafdez;you can say it softly, but people tend to picture it in their minds with a Hitler voice xD 1059759;1426833520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77236 @ 0.00030327 = 23.4234 BTC [+] {2} 1059760;1426833523;brendafdez;then it the most un-hot language imaginable 1059761;1426833540;trinque;brendafdez: admittedly probably more like rammstein 1059762;1426833541;brendafdez;unless you're into Hilter-voiced people xD 1059763;1426833546;brendafdez;yep 1059764;1426833552;brendafdez;more like Rammstein 1059765;1426833572;brendafdez;I could never bring myself to like them, but I liked bands that were such crap 1059766;1426833590;brendafdez;I was still a teenager, so you can't blame me ;) 1059767;1426833593;trinque;pissed off my parents, good enough for me in early teens 1059768;1426833600;BingoBoingo;I've always found German the hottest when I though the Girl might bake me 1059769;1426833625;brendafdez;:D 1059770;1426833671;brendafdez;I need to find a foreign-speaking gf/bf/whatever soon, being with the locals doesn't compare 1059771;1426833688;brendafdez;not that I have much success with the locals, either... 1059772;1426833695;BingoBoingo;There was this hot German exchange chick in High School my sernior year evern though every class was equivalent of her Junior year. Let's refer to her a Kirsten Nao 1059773;1426833738;BingoBoingo;Kirsten successfully corrected me away from monogamy 1059774;1426833751;brendafdez;you're forever indebted with her 1059775;1426833762;BingoBoingo;Maybe? 1059776;1426833775;brendafdez;the sooner you fix that monogamy thing the better, me thinks 1059777;1426833827;BingoBoingo;The getting off part is fine. I'm just not much one for the loving part. 1059778;1426833845;brendafdez;St Louis Cardinals was a baseball team then? That was the art show? :P 1059779;1426833866;BingoBoingo;It is totally still a thing. It is my favorite baseball team 1059780;1426833896;BingoBoingo;The art show is the wa Wainright gets opposing pitchers out 1059781;1426833913;BingoBoingo;It is serious art embeded in human motion 1059782;1426833986;brendafdez;art is in the eye of the beholder, so I won't dispute that. I would however find it hard to see art in sport. It must be there, but generally I just couldn't care less. When there's a major sports event here, it means 'good time to go outside and take pictures of the empty streets and such' 1059783;1426834052;BingoBoingo;Oh, I'm not talking about someone who throws the ball the hardest. I mean art. Waino tosses the ball among the most pleasing line. 1059784;1426834084;brendafdez;Lots to learn, maybe I could appreciate it someday... 1059785;1426834102;trinque;other than that, I don't know that the US is producing a lot of worthwhile art 1059786;1426834136;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: You've been in .ar forever? 1059787;1426834175;brendafdez;always lived here, yes, except for two months or so i lived in munich bc some stupid institute decided to foot the bill :D 1059788;1426834214;brendafdez;apart from that, i've only travelled briefly to neighboring countries, like uruguay (many times), brazil (once), paraguay (once) 1059789;1426834218;BingoBoingo;The best way I can explain baseball aesthetically then is as a dance where every movement holds the entire game at stake 1059790;1426834307;BingoBoingo;It is neatly the opposite of the abortus which purports to host a "super bowl" 1059791;1426834407;BingoBoingo;This scrawny dude is actually my favorite player http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carpema01.shtml 1059792;1426834409;assbot;Matt Carpenter Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbTkFq ) 1059793;1426834487;BingoBoingo;Dude know how to avoid getting out 1059794;1426834593;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2015/03/19/dongle_history_etymology_and_word_and_sound_associations_explained.html 1059795;1426834595;assbot;Dongle history, etymology, and word and sound associations, explained. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbTOvo ) 1059796;1426835252;fluffypony;I saw a Cards game in 2010 when I was in St. Louis 1059797;1426835262;fluffypony;bought a Pujols t-shirt and everything 1059798;1426835286;fluffypony;made the mistake of wearing that when flying out of Dallas to go back home, and had random people shouting "Go Cards!" at me 1059799;1426835294;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: And then he left 1059800;1426835313;BingoBoingo;It hurt 1059801;1426835552;cazalla;brendafdez, while in Germany, were you a girl yet? 1059802;1426836378;brendafdez;nope, i was presenting male :P 1059803;1426837119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49592 @ 0.0002928 = 14.5205 BTC [-] 1059804;1426837927;BingoBoingo;!up odyjm 1059805;1426838809;cazalla;anyone read ukraineo 1059806;1426838954;cazalla;http://forklog.com/sluzhba-bezopasnosti-ukrainy-bitkoin-ispolzuetsya-dlya-finansirovaniya-separatistov/ if anyone can translate accurately 1059807;1426838955;assbot;Служба безопаÑноÑти Украины: биткоин иÑпользуетÑÑ Ð´Ð»Ñ Ñ„Ð¸Ð½Ð°Ð½ÑÐ¸Ñ€Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ñ ÑепаратиÑтов | Bitcoin новоÑти ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzMHdh ) 1059808;1426839258;BingoBoingo;^ transaltion blows the fuck up 1059809;1426841816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00030101 = 7.5253 BTC [+] 1059810;1426841910;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1059811;1426841945;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 259.0, vol: 11891.50982578 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 256.74, vol: 9534.25606 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 260.41, vol: 54648.2626453 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 263.56, vol: 3.05171398 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 259.907463, vol: 254519.98310000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 255.00001, vol: 3.10171189 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 265.0128, vol: 121.40926025 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1059812;1426842389;brendafdez;drunk and all you still care about the price? :P 1059813;1426842433;BingoBoingo;Nah, I jsut wanna see the hipsters burn 1059814;1426842623;cazalla;the old mircea_popescu pic complemented trilema, but this new one is difficult with MP staring at you while you read 1059815;1426842660;brendafdez;it's scary 1059816;1426842671;brendafdez;but we'll get used to it, i hope 1059817;1426842686;cazalla;brendafdez, you don't care about the price? 1059818;1426842731;cazalla;scary? i won't give him that :) 1059819;1426842747;cazalla;how about.. i'm trying to read here, do you mind? 1059820;1426842781;brendafdez;if i'm not gonna do anything based on that information atm there's no reason i should care... 1059821;1426842802;BingoBoingo;ease it up 1059822;1426842830;brendafdez;Don't drink and #b-a 1059823;1426842839;BingoBoingo;Everyone here is here to read trilema basically 1059824;1426843330;brendafdez;or thedrinkingrecord :P 1059825;1426843345;BingoBoingo;lol, yeah 1059826;1426843500;cazalla;fucking media here.. former PM malcolm fraser dies.. every politician gets his 5 minutes in every newspaper, twitter feed, radio stream to express what a great leader, game changer etc etc the dead guy was 1059827;1426843585;cazalla;at least it seems that way anyway 1059828;1426843890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00030275 = 24.6893 BTC [+] {3} 1059829;1426844073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68027 @ 0.00030506 = 20.7523 BTC [+] {2} 1059830;1426844121;chetty;cazalla better they talk about that than whatever new evil laws they are up to 1059831;1426844159;cazalla;chetty, that would be retaining meta data for 2 years 1059832;1426844188;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1058040 <<< according to what you say it would be *most* people go that route, since the beginning of 2015 there are two deposits that could match an account creation, when there are 750 btc on the new accounts revenue line 1059833;1426844188;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 20:22:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer. 1059834;1426844193;cazalla;as well as a black list to block sites like thepiratebay.. fraser's death couldn't have been timed better tbh 1059835;1426844502;cazalla;the 2 year retention period is sorta bullshit anyway as it's the ISPs who need to keep the data for 2 years, but if a gov dept such as ASIO or the police request that data, they are allowed to keep it forever, so i'm sure they will just request all data so that they can keep it forever (if they aren't already doing it) 1059836;1426844683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105250 @ 0.00029657 = 31.214 BTC [-] {2} 1059837;1426846757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00030524 = 1.4957 BTC [+] 1059838;1426848125;davout;!up deedbot- 1059839;1426848137;davout;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3QD6MT5.txt 1059840;1426848138;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BECOXf ) 1059841;1426848291;davout;trinque: ^ doth not work? 1059842;1426849441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00030524 = 11.2328 BTC [+] 1059843;1426849493;mircea_popescu;trinque nice. 1059844;1426849846;davout;ohai mircea_popescu 1059845;1426849866;mircea_popescu;heya 1059846;1426849929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00030525 = 19.4139 BTC [+] {2} 1059847;1426849941;mircea_popescu;A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: webmaster@extropy.org 1059848;1426849942;mircea_popescu;aww. 1059849;1426850287;mircea_popescu;!up DigitalDayTrader 1059850;1426850324;mircea_popescu;with all this digitality of modernity, it turns out the postwar mobsters were eerily before their time. 1059851;1426850335;mircea_popescu;"give us the money or we're taking your digits!" 1059852;1426850540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.0003053 = 2.1829 BTC [+] 1059853;1426850660;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059532 << it is ? 1059854;1426850660;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 05:13:40; asciilifeform: the helicopter is the symbol of statal power against the peon schmuck 1059855;1426850663;mircea_popescu;maybe in vietnam. 1059856;1426850750;davout;i'd tend to agree with asciilifeform, what are all these US police helicopter-chase shows for if not for clearly asserting that "there's nowhere to run" ? 1059857;1426850755;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059539 << same's said of sailing. meanwhile most people sailing or flying independently are actually poor, mostly on account of rich people not wanting to take that sort of risk. 1059858;1426850755;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 05:15:29; asciilifeform: but soon it was clear even to imbeciles that flying was an aristocrat's (or totalitarian thug enforcer's...) game. 1059859;1426850786;mircea_popescu;davout but then again, they don't have to be FOR something. they may well just be BECAUSE of something, that something being "we got a helicopter" 1059860;1426850790;davout;flying *is* pretty awesome :D 1059861;1426850798;mircea_popescu;that in turn being because helicopters exist in the first place. 1059862;1426850825;mircea_popescu;im sure driving a car is pretty awesome to fish, and for the same reason : "mamma mia if i crash this tank im fucked" 1059863;1426850833;davout;does anyone know that pilot joke? "how do you know someone's a pilot?" 1059864;1426850842;mircea_popescu;how ? 1059865;1426850849;davout;he'll tell you 1059866;1426850856;mircea_popescu;lol. 1059867;1426850872;mircea_popescu;anyway, last fucking job you want in a conflict zone is flying the helicopters. 1059868;1426850903;mircea_popescu;only job to score consistently under tradecraft for security. 1059869;1426850983;cazalla;too many people were all "lulz, i lazered the pilot" here in australia so anything over 1mw.. banned 1059870;1426851014;mircea_popescu;... 1 mw ?! 1059871;1426851027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60981 @ 0.0003053 = 18.6175 BTC [+] 1059872;1426851028;mircea_popescu;oh oh mW not MW 1059873;1426851037;cazalla;ya sorry, milliwatt 1059874;1426851050;mircea_popescu;i was like omfg australia, large spiders, larger lasers. 1059875;1426851083;cazalla;people were lulz lazering athletes at games too 1059876;1426851089;davout;lelz, lasering pilots is so fucking retarded 1059877;1426851124;cazalla;davout, yeah.. they coined it "lazer attacks" 1059878;1426851133;cazalla;example http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/citys-worst-laser-attacks-on-aircraft/2008/03/29/1206207485440.html 1059879;1426851135;assbot;City's worst laser attacks on aircraft - Travel - smh.com.au ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjGJnj ) 1059880;1426851143;davout;it's like everyone in the sky gets pissed at you, while the laserer conveniently gives a massive arrow pointing to his sorry ass 1059881;1426851167;mircea_popescu;does calling it "attacks" make it moar important ? 1059882;1426851183;davout;it *is* pretty dangerous 1059883;1426851206;cazalla;everyone had these fucking things circa 2008, all from dx.com 1059884;1426851210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63150 @ 0.00029536 = 18.652 BTC [-] 1059885;1426851219;mircea_popescu;"These gutless and cowardly attacks have to be stopped," he said. "I am preparing a proposal to cabinet to consider making these items a prohibited weapon." 1059886;1426851229;mircea_popescu;davout it is ? 1059887;1426851230;davout;just like retards flying drones in restricted airspace are dangerous as well 1059888;1426851242;mircea_popescu;the drones i can actually see. 1059889;1426851252;cazalla;mircea_popescu, the pollie that said that got busted for gay sex like a year later, clearly didn't want to play ball anymore (or did) 1059890;1426851262;mircea_popescu;they're sort-of like turkeys, which have caused problems in the past, so planes have been shielded against them, so it no longer matters. 1059891;1426851269;mircea_popescu;so they don't actually do anything, so nevermind. 1059892;1426851287;davout;mircea_popescu: i hang around a bit on /r/flying, also watched a few vids of ATPs being lasered and yes, it does look pretty dangerous 1059893;1426851298;mircea_popescu;not the original statement hm ? 1059894;1426851298;chetty;humans, more and more clever ways to commit mayhem on each other. 1059895;1426851356;davout;and it's not like you'll get lasered at high altitudes with the PA on and your cock in some flight attendant's mouth, you'll get lasered when approaching 1059896;1426851396;mircea_popescu;davout and your windows won't protect you, because... antiglare's not been invented. 1059897;1426851401;mircea_popescu;what do they do in the sun ? 1059898;1426851408;davout;it will illuminate the cockpit, blind you, will take your mind off of your checklist 1059899;1426851410;mircea_popescu;drop down those flaps like they have in the car ? 1059900;1426851419;mircea_popescu;it won't fucking blind you. 1059901;1426851430;mircea_popescu;it will iluminate the cockpit less than what fucking police lights do. 1059902;1426851441;davout;my cessna has these flaps you speak of :D 1059903;1426851449;mircea_popescu;what next, this is a legitimate car crash reason ? "police lights illuminated my cockpit your honor. let the police dept pay." 1059904;1426851468;cazalla;damn, that is not a half bad idea 1059905;1426851472;mircea_popescu;yw. 1059906;1426851473;fluffypony;lol 1059907;1426851495;mircea_popescu;"omaigawd stuffwas illuminated, i totally lost my trtain of thought. o look, unicorns!!1" 1059908;1426851541;mircea_popescu;anyway, all this beating around the bush. here's to making the penis a dangerous weapon. 1059909;1426851554;cazalla;the trajectory of the sun combined with the police lights and lazer mounted drone caused me to run down mr gavin by accident 1059910;1426851569;davout;you don't want to miss shit on your checklist 1059911;1426851583;mircea_popescu;no, you don't. so don't miss shit on your fucking checklist. 1059912;1426851602;*;cazalla points green lazer at davout.. lol lazered 1059913;1426851633;mircea_popescu;now, mind you, i'm the first to agree the lasers are fucking annyoing and the idiots wielding them need better hobbies. 1059914;1426851647;mircea_popescu;but those facts don't make derpy lasers "weapons" and etc etc. 1059915;1426851667;davout;"Pilots unanimously say that the effect of a laser-pen's beam in the cockpit is very similar to the effect of a car's high-beam headlights at a short distance -- it blinds you. The decision-making time before a landing is only 10 critical seconds, pilots say -- and these moments are not to fight green laser beams, but to make critically important decisions. " 1059916;1426851677;davout;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI7Qq1mYQlI 1059917;1426851678;assbot;'Laser attack' caught on tape: View from plane cockpit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjH1dT ) 1059918;1426851741;davout;not saying that this is a good reason to forbid lasers, i'm saying they can be pretty dangerous 1059919;1426851755;mircea_popescu;davout but that's not the cockpit, that's the cam. 1059920;1426851769;cazalla;the australian law, at least as i see it, was more them saying, ok you've had your fun but no more of this please 1059921;1426851774;mircea_popescu;and if maximally zoomed (looks about 16x) it very briefly shines. 1059922;1426851796;davout;if that's the effect on the cam, it's not a complete stretch to say that you can believe pilots when they say it's blinding 1059923;1426851800;mircea_popescu;pretty much exactly consistent with what i[ve been saying last time we did this laser thing 1059924;1426851807;davout;and you have a larger view later on the video 1059925;1426851816;mircea_popescu;well if you've ever used cams, it actually is, yes. 1059926;1426851824;Adlai;you could achieve a similar effect against drivers with a cheap camera + servos aiming it... let's ban all electronics! 1059927;1426851832;davout;it's unclear to me why pilots would make that up 1059928;1426851842;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034826 << problem, blockchain on disk depends on the order in which it saw those 'orphans' 1059929;1426851842;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 21:23:55; asciilifeform: if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct. 1059930;1426851846;davout;instead of putting their shades on and shrugging it off 1059931;1426851846;mircea_popescu;davout pilots did not make anything up. they say it's fucking annoying. im sure it is. 1059932;1426851867;mircea_popescu;then bureaucrat drones are going on about weapons and whatnot, with nary a clue about anything but what could be persuasively argued to a mostly clueless public. 1059933;1426851880;mircea_popescu;this is fine as far as the system goes, it's own "democratic" logic, et all. 1059934;1426851886;mircea_popescu;but it's still ridoinculous. 1059935;1426851898;mircea_popescu;davout you ever been with a group of professionals ? 1059936;1426851915;davout;professionals in what field? aeronautics? 1059937;1426851918;mircea_popescu;when met with any novel thing, the bulk will shrug and carry on, the 19% marginals will yak about it, 1059938;1426851929;mircea_popescu;because it distracts from a discussion about how they suck, and people should fire them 1059939;1426851933;mircea_popescu;in any fucking field. 1059940;1426851985;cazalla;ima firen mah lazer 1059941;1426851990;mircea_popescu;Adlai i suppose he meant bitwise identical star, to be translated as, same txn 1059942;1426852000;Adlai;hm? 1059943;1426852012;mircea_popescu;"if ends up with bitwise identical* blockchain" 1059944;1426852059;davout;i think you underestimate the danger of having a laser pointed at you when you're doing an approach 1059945;1426852065;Adlai;what [i think] you want is identical answers to whether a transaction is valid 1059946;1426852079;mircea_popescu;davout that may be true. 1059947;1426852095;mircea_popescu;Adlai you want the same exact set of transactions to have been accepted. 1059948;1426852164;mircea_popescu;davout but it turns out, stuff like aegis cruisers don't have lasers installed to blind enemy pilots, dropped chaff isn't tiny shining laser pointers etc. 1059949;1426852178;mircea_popescu;as far as weaponry goes, let's look at you know, weaponry. 1059950;1426852229;davout;that's kind of like saying "if banana peels are dangerous, why don't the US marines carry them around" :D 1059951;1426852254;Adlai;why aren't the terrorists yelling fire in crowded theatresL 1059952;1426852257;mircea_popescu;the discussion wasn't if this is annoying or not, but whether the drone droning about weapons had a point. at least in my head. 1059953;1426852286;mircea_popescu;wouldja say banana peels are weapons or something ? 1059954;1426852312;mircea_popescu;for that matter, suppose some asshole runs around throwing banana peels right before people. and he gets busted for "assault with a dangerous weapon". 1059955;1426852315;davout;they can be deadly if strategically placed 1059956;1426852316;mircea_popescu;you gonna make that charge stick ? 1059957;1426852320;davout;naaah 1059958;1426852347;mircea_popescu;good cause there's all sorts of instructional videos on how to defend yourself. 1059959;1426852359;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w 1059960;1426852360;assbot;Monty Python - Self-Defense Against Fruit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjHo8d ) 1059961;1426852369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89900 @ 0.00030584 = 27.495 BTC [+] {2} 1059962;1426852395;davout;look, i'm not arguing that because they are annoying and potentially dangerous to aircrafts that gives a justification to anyone to forbid them, simply stating that retards will be retards, and annoy pilots in a sensitive flight phase 1059963;1426852401;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suppose the difference between "this is slightly annoying' and "this is terrorism" has long been lost. 1059964;1426852429;Adlai;so maybe, lobbyists looking for lobbies to lob should try to get all aircraft windows tinted 1059965;1426852436;davout;mircea_popescu: sure 1059966;1426852483;davout;few days ago in france: "terrorism is bad, let's lower the limit for cash payments from 3000 to 1000€" 1059967;1426852489;mircea_popescu;heh. 1059968;1426852507;mircea_popescu;no but seriously, someone could use 3k euros to buy a proper rifle + bullets. 1059969;1426852513;mircea_popescu;1k euros not enough for this. 1059970;1426852524;mircea_popescu;course inflation'd have naturally fixed that over time. 1059971;1426852544;mircea_popescu;(anyone notice how those "limits" are not yearly indexed, like govt pensions ?) 1059972;1426852546;davout;"thank you for this kalashnikov, may i have my receipt" 1059973;1426852577;cazalla;they're trying to push through mandatory sentencing for weapons here down under.. 5 years for trafficking hand guns etc 1059974;1426852577;mircea_popescu;davout are you intimating the bureaucracy's ineffective because it lives in its own world anyway ? 1059975;1426852582;mircea_popescu;fucking french terrorists. 1059976;1426852599;mircea_popescu;cazalla "mandatory sentencing" is the most ridiculous perversion of justice ever. 1059977;1426852611;mircea_popescu;essentially stalin's administrative powers thing. 1059978;1426852617;cazalla;someone is breaking into my home.. best i call the police to come in 10m time because law does not permit me to own a shot gun to blast the cunt in seconds 1059979;1426852635;davout;cazalla: BLAST IT WITH PISS 1059980;1426852655;cazalla;davout, not even mine is big enough to kill loaded with booze 1059981;1426852691;mircea_popescu;cazalla why not use lasers ? 1059982;1426852710;mircea_popescu;now i understand finally the crazy shit stick on all sides of rifle bit. 1059983;1426852717;mircea_popescu;all those tactical lights ARE REALLY WEAPONS 1059984;1426852719;davout;mircea_popescu: to be honest, a strategically banana peel might be more effective in this particular case 1059985;1426852727;davout;*placed 1059986;1426852733;mircea_popescu;lol 1059987;1426852748;mircea_popescu;;;google guy that crossed atlantic in a barrel died in new york, slipping on banana peel 1059988;1426852750;gribble;Banana split: Worker peels back skin to find two fruits in one | Daily ...: ; The appeal of peel: The surprising ways fruit and veg skins can work ...: ; (1 more message) 1059989;1426852751;mircea_popescu;^ real event. 1059990;1426852754;cazalla;lazer illegal, plastic knife illegal (if used as weapon), baseball bat also illegal if kept in bedroom because no legitimate reason to keep it there, must fetch from car and come back to bedroom to beat off attacker 1059991;1426852772;mircea_popescu;cazalla doesn't sound like much of a country does it ? 1059992;1426852793;mircea_popescu;what the fuck "not much reason to keep it there". what fucking reason does uninvited third party have to be in your bedroom ? 1059993;1426852797;mircea_popescu;let's start with that. 1059994;1426852836;cazalla;not "not much reason" but no reason, why would a law abiding citizen keep his sporting equipment under the bed? surely it is in garage with the rest of the foosballs etc 1059995;1426852858;mircea_popescu;because the wife's a stretcher ? 1059996;1426852859;davout;cazalla: mebbe it's for butseks 1059997;1426852870;mircea_popescu;seriously, nobody run the endless reels of "woman fucks baseball bat" for the court on that one ? 1059998;1426852875;mircea_popescu;talk about dropping the ball. 1059999;1426852879;cazalla;i could've claimed so with the ex gf but not this woman 1060000;1426852886;mircea_popescu;so she's training for it. 1060001;1426852909;davout;"she's starting by getting used to the bat's presence your honor" 1060002;1426852914;cazalla;ex could've taken 2 tbh 1060003;1426852935;cazalla;she was a champ like that 1060004;1426853003;mircea_popescu;what, one in butt one in cunt, then walk on them ? 1060005;1426853008;mircea_popescu;that'd be an act. 1060006;1426853027;cazalla;nah 2 in cunt, guess 1 in the ass too 1060007;1426853039;cazalla;damn, she was the best lay but would've made for a shitty mother 1060008;1426853054;mircea_popescu;this is why one needs pairs. 1060009;1426853095;cazalla;dependent on bitcoin, goes up enough, i have a place or two for such women 1060010;1426853100;cazalla;as it is atm, no can do 1060011;1426853114;mircea_popescu;well what's the rush. 1060012;1426853120;mircea_popescu;gotta be unable to get it up, first. 1060013;1426853122;cazalla;well, isnt any atm 1060014;1426853136;mircea_popescu;then you can make comments to them about their black boyfriends and we can ostracize you and take your stadium away. 1060015;1426853137;davout;hahaha 1060016;1426853169;mircea_popescu;cazalla how do you know the shitty mother bit btw ? 1060017;1426853176;mircea_popescu;afaik reformed whores make the best mothers. 1060018;1426853184;cazalla;mircea_popescu, because she fucked around with shit like tramadol 1060019;1426853194;mircea_popescu;... 1060020;1426853195;cazalla;she was fucking useless for anything else but sex 1060021;1426853209;mircea_popescu;wait. how do you fuck around with antipyretics ?! 1060022;1426853220;cazalla;a kid would be lucky to get 1 meal a day with such a woman 1060023;1426853233;mircea_popescu;o wait, that's the opioid huh. 1060024;1426853247;cazalla;i dunno, never tried it, she use to steal it from work place 1060025;1426853302;mircea_popescu;well, reformed was in there for a reason. 1060026;1426853332;cazalla;well i wouldn't know seeing i didn't stick around to find out 1060027;1426853350;cazalla;i thought the naive virginal conservative wife would make for the best mother 1060028;1426853355;cazalla;i made my bed, so now i sleep in it 1060029;1426853393;mircea_popescu;conservatives don't make very good parents for that reason. kinda why nature put all the poop in the process, make sure it gets a fair shot. 1060030;1426853402;cazalla;all the 10 inched black boyfriends in the world wouldn't make any difference for some types of women anyway 1060031;1426853448;mircea_popescu;is 10 inches big or small these days ? 1060032;1426853454;mircea_popescu;i've not been following the internet conversation. 1060033;1426853475;cazalla;seems to be the average, but i dunno 1060034;1426853515;mircea_popescu;average in what, horses ? 1060035;1426853547;cazalla;i have nfi, too much to drink 1060036;1426853635;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059635 << which is the manual ? 1060037;1426853635;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 05:46:33; trinque: which... not the behavior in the manual 1060038;1426853914;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059683 << eh get out srsly. it doesn't get any more random and unintentional than that. 1060039;1426853914;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 06:06:35; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The worst part is I know this had to have been targetted. Someone had to spend a non-trivial amount of time. I suspect a partcular name and yet... 1060040;1426854042;cazalla;i tried to convince him of such in PM yet.. he convinced me drinking was a good idea (ok not really, not like i need much encouragement) 1060041;1426854062;mircea_popescu;in other news, derpy mcsweater-glass and his two nude friends : http://40.media.tumblr.com/c3b9d92eacede7d95def9d6ee99f578b/tumblr_myjsgrcYzT1rjqog4o1_1280.jpg 1060042;1426854063;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjIocv ) 1060043;1426854133;mircea_popescu;cazalla lol you two need to stop drinking and buy coins from the proceeds. 1060044;1426854147;mircea_popescu;end up richest dudes in b-a. 1060045;1426854222;cazalla;i've prob pissed away 2-3k the past 12-18 months on booze 1060046;1426854237;mircea_popescu;ah, nm, that's not so bad 1060047;1426854244;mircea_popescu;i think i spent about the same. 1060048;1426854258;cazalla;could be more, could be less, just a guestimate 1060049;1426854262;cazalla;let's see 1060050;1426854273;Adlai;2-3k << ozd? 1060051;1426854327;mircea_popescu;five bucks a day, that's like what, a drink. 1060052;1426854339;cazalla;$60x78=4680 so sorta in range 1060053;1426854344;mircea_popescu;you're supposed to drink that much just to keep the shit from migrating to your head. 1060054;1426854365;cazalla;acutally i quit for years, sober as a judge 1060055;1426854399;mircea_popescu;cazalla you ever seen "some came running" ? 1060056;1426854404;cazalla;of course, i would not be rotting away where i will be monday if i remained sober lol 1060057;1426854449;cazalla;nope 1060058;1426854465;mircea_popescu;dean martin is this total drunk, and at some point he says to sinatra 1060059;1426854475;mircea_popescu;"you know ever since you quit drinking you've been insufferable ?!" 1060060;1426854511;cazalla;i prolly was, only took it up again a month or so before missus had baby 1060061;1426854536;cazalla;in fact, i would harp on to my brother, who i lived with at the time, that he needed to quit drinking 1060062;1426854567;mircea_popescu;did he ? 1060063;1426854607;cazalla;not sure tbh, we didn't speak for a few years, only recently began talking again 1060064;1426854616;cazalla;i assume he drinks though given he's back at the parents and god knows they drink 1060065;1426854669;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059745 << ru chicks will take over the world. 1060066;1426854669;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 06:30:59; brendafdez: There I fell in love with a Russian girl, it was in 2008, it was awesome that we'd both speak with each other in a language that was foreign for both, felt special, like being in bitcoin these days (? 1060067;1426854711;cazalla;geei hope not, can't say ruski women do it for me 1060068;1426854721;cazalla;even the bond goldeneye girls were meh 1060069;1426854723;mircea_popescu;ever had one ? 1060070;1426854743;cazalla;well no, but 1060071;1426854754;cazalla;i did work with a short haired ruski chick 1060072;1426854755;mircea_popescu;well don't knock it fore you've... uh. you know. 1060073;1426854782;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059746 << you know that's the wrong way to go about the wife business. if you just want a cheap one the cheapest wife you could ever get is no wife at all. 1060074;1426854782;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 06:32:38; *: BingoBoingo kinda wants to it the phils before .ar to pick up a cheap wife 1060075;1426854860;cazalla;mircea_popescu, not many down under, not like i'll ever leave 1060076;1426854867;cazalla;so unless they come here.. 1060077;1426854868;mircea_popescu;brendafdez: The fact that people here see the US as the land of freedom really boggles the mind.<< they believe teh movies. 1060078;1426854875;cazalla;plenty of chinese 1060079;1426854899;mircea_popescu;cazalla used to know this chick, eventualy gave up teh life married some guy went to melbourne 1060080;1426854907;mircea_popescu;im sure there's plenty in ozland. 1060081;1426854931;cazalla;melbourne sucks 1060082;1426854938;cazalla;not even sure why pete would waste his time coming to this shit hole 1060083;1426854949;mircea_popescu;most everyone lives there neh ? 1060084;1426854954;cazalla;there is nothing redeeming about it at all 1060085;1426854970;cazalla;mircea_popescu, and sydney, yeah 1060086;1426854974;cazalla;both are shit 1060087;1426854982;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059755 << will = liebe ? 1060088;1426854982;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 06:37:57; trinque: ICH WILL DICH 1060089;1426855018;mircea_popescu;or wtf's that suppost to be 1060090;1426855035;cazalla;they tear down anything old and replace it with modern architecture, and what they can't pull down completely, they subert the old by merging the new into it 1060091;1426855053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00030614 = 23.5116 BTC [+] {2} 1060092;1426855053;cazalla;anyway, tasmania is best australia 1060093;1426855106;mircea_popescu;lmao this log. im bashing this shit 1060094;1426855121;nubbins`;http://www.lasersafetyfacts.com/resources/Laser-hazard-distance-chart.pdf 1060095;1426855123;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJ0Pa ) 1060096;1426855133;nubbins`;TIL mp doesn't think lazers in yr eyes are bad ;/ 1060097;1426855184;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSxDHW2MvBw 1060098;1426855185;assbot;Seinfeld — Puerto Rican Day: The Apartment (HD) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJ5Co ) 1060099;1426855281;nubbins`;mircea_popescu:for that matter, suppose some asshole runs around throwing banana peels right before people. and he gets busted for "assault with a dangerous weapon". <<< now you're just shoehorning 1060100;1426855299;mircea_popescu;that's a thing ? 1060101;1426855325;nubbins`;sure is 1060102;1426855353;mircea_popescu;"Shoehorning is a ploy used by psychics, or religious apologetic or other charlatans, as a way to make it sound like their prophecies or those of earlier prophets had come true. " 1060103;1426855356;mircea_popescu;o.O 1060104;1426855417;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoehorning << notwithstanding the bad grammar, that's one of the more representative wikipedia articles i dare say. 1060105;1426855419;assbot;Shoehorning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJfK8 ) 1060106;1426855427;mircea_popescu;nubbins` anyway, why ? 1060107;1426855470;nubbins`;idk about wikitardia definition, but you're just being pedantic 8) 1060108;1426855502;nubbins`;suppose the asshole leaves a banana peel at the top of the stairs 1060109;1426855508;nubbins`;"wasn't a weapon, whatcha gonna do" 1060110;1426855513;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1060111;1426855519;mircea_popescu;what, you expect the law to intervene ? 1060112;1426855530;nubbins`;before the fact? c'est impossible 1060113;1426855558;mircea_popescu;before or after, 1060114;1426855566;mircea_popescu;or in the commerce of bannanas. 1060115;1426855594;nubbins`;isn't this much less circuitous than the original discussion 8) 1060116;1426855619;nubbins`;but i guess you're more of a journey guy than a destination guy, hey 1060117;1426855623;mircea_popescu;well i dunno lol. i tend to follow. 1060118;1426855641;nubbins`;unrelated, i *just* clued into the mad hatter's hat from TTLG 1060119;1426855646;nubbins`;http://www.gutenberg.org/files/114/114-h/images/alice38a.gif 1060120;1426855647;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJmp8 ) 1060121;1426855655;mircea_popescu;;;ud ttlg 1060122;1426855656;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=through+the+looking+glass | Similar to the twilight zone, where nothing is quite what it seems. In Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass book, it can mean clocks that work... 1060123;1426855714;nubbins`;last 33 years: "why does his hat say 10/6?" 1060124;1426855728;nubbins`;today: "wat, it says 'in this style' above it? o" 1060125;1426855781;mircea_popescu;it's 10 shillings and 6pence. 1060126;1426855805;nubbins`;nod 1060127;1426855815;nubbins`;i did not have this knowledge last i read it ;/ 1060128;1426855835;mircea_popescu;so you figurted out british coin notations from "in this style" ? 1060129;1426855902;nubbins`;stumbled across £sd notation a couple months ago 1060130;1426855909;nubbins`;and today, stumbled across the mad hatter again 1060131;1426855929;nubbins`;!up cazalla 1060132;1426855943;nubbins`;mircea_popescu understand that this is akin to discovering jam is made from berries 1060133;1426855943;cazalla;ty nubbins` fucking power out and i'm too drunk/tired to ferry shit back and forth over usb 1060134;1426855946;nubbins`;i'm floored here 1060135;1426855958;nubbins`;anyway bbl COSTCO 1060136;1426856047;cazalla;is that where you get bulk corn sizzurp? (they got costco's here now) 1060137;1426856084;cazalla;in fact, they have a costco just a few streets away from here, not that i've been.. pay for membership? fuck that, costco drastically underestimates australian refusal to pay for membershits 1060138;1426856136;mircea_popescu;the romanian bulk supplier (metro) just wants you to have a company. 1060139;1426856149;nubbins`;bulk vanilla extract too 1060140;1426856164;nubbins`;srsly, 1L for the same price as the little tiny bottles the groc store sells 1060141;1426856181;mircea_popescu;no wait, wrong one. selgros. 1060142;1426856186;nubbins`;cazalla if you shop at costco ~3-4 times in a year, you're ahead 1060143;1426856197;cazalla;nubbins`, doubt they sell what i buy 1060144;1426856202;*;nubbins` shrugs 1060145;1426856220;nubbins`;you don't buy food? 1060146;1426856233;cazalla;of course i do 1060147;1426856243;mircea_popescu;cazalla it's improbable. generally wholesalers carry everything everyone else carries + more + they sell it cheaper + they deliver. 1060148;1426856270;cazalla;sure, if you don't mind eating shit shipped in from china 1060149;1426856282;mircea_popescu;mno. 1060150;1426856282;cazalla;mm tasty bleached ass garlic, make it nice and white like snow white herself 1060151;1426856315;mircea_popescu;well it's not for produce, yo. 1060152;1426856329;cazalla;then wtf would u buy from a place like costco? 1060153;1426856406;mircea_popescu;well costco i never used, but in general cash & carry is where you buy a whole round cheese, that's actually grana padano etc. 1060154;1426856417;nubbins`;costco actually sells top quality produce 1060155;1426856422;cazalla;i get my meet/veg/fruit from local who supposedly provides australian grown produce (i am not so naive to believe that some scheming fuckers didn't figure out they could import shit from china and just label it grown in australia but what can you do) 1060156;1426856423;nubbins`;best meat shop in the city too 1060157;1426856425;nubbins`;anyway bbl 1060158;1426856467;mircea_popescu;cazalla ok, meat comes from butcher, produce from grocer. these you don't buy at the warehouse, as there's really no need to warehouse them. but what about everything else ? 1060159;1426856478;cazalla;for other speciality shit, i use farmhousedirect.com.au 1060160;1426856483;mircea_popescu;the stuff that's usually called "colonials" ? the stuff that has to be impoirted 5000 miles away ? 1060161;1426856493;cazalla;like what? give an example 1060162;1426856510;mircea_popescu;so they carry filippo berio olive oil ? 1060163;1426856533;cazalla;i use australian grown olive oil and macadamia oil 1060164;1426856539;mircea_popescu;rio mare salmon paste ? 1060165;1426856548;cazalla;we got salmon growing down tasmania 1060166;1426856557;chetty;L&P 1060167;1426856560;cazalla;farmed, but still 1060168;1426856569;mircea_popescu;a whole range of french (president ?) and italian cheeses ? 1060169;1426856584;cazalla;got the wog deli en masse 1060170;1426856589;danielpbarron;height=288329 vs height=213141 1060171;1426856602;mircea_popescu;cazalla well then you don't need it. 1060172;1426856653;cazalla;i can't imagine for a second that even if costco had this sorta food down under, that it would actually be cheaper or better quality 1060173;1426856672;mircea_popescu;this is exactly the sort of doubt fit for an experiment. 1060174;1426856692;mircea_popescu;i used your deli model in the us, and the cash & carry in ro. it all depends on the place really. 1060175;1426856694;cazalla;then they can pay me to experiement 1060176;1426856725;cazalla;the only people i see waddling into the costco here at fat asses 1060177;1426856738;cazalla;and they sure as fuck are not spending good money on good food 1060178;1426856756;mircea_popescu;that's not a bad heuristic. 1060179;1426856767;mircea_popescu;"shop for food where people who look like you want to look shop for food" 1060180;1426856796;cazalla;i show you last weeks order 1060181;1426856802;cazalla;and then you fkn tell me if u get this shit at costco 1060182;1426856822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.0003062 = 14.1158 BTC [+] {2} 1060183;1426856829;mircea_popescu;cat's got a thread! http://41.media.tumblr.com/7fc849c6bbc1b7bac3f2c13871445b8e/tumblr_mmap4wrUGR1r2x6jpo1_1280.jpg 1060184;1426856830;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjKk4M ) 1060185;1426856854;mircea_popescu;cazalla i have nfi what costco carries. 1060186;1426856888;chetty;ever been to a costco MP? 1060187;1426856914;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1060188;1426856922;mircea_popescu;i dun actually recall. 1060189;1426856932;cazalla;that usually means yes in my experience 1060190;1426856942;cazalla;my missus tries the same shit.. oh i can't remember 1060191;1426856958;chetty;hahah well its kaufland X3 1060192;1426856979;cazalla;pls suck my dick costco and get the fuck out of my country with your made in china shit http://imgur.com/GgNi88n,twFcl5s,ABxl80G,BAl6CMj,xl80E2E 1060193;1426856980;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/199i7Mj ) 1060194;1426857012;mircea_popescu;chetty i imagine so. 1060195;1426857032;mircea_popescu;cazalla omfg what is this, the sin of going into places ? 1060196;1426857060;mircea_popescu;i don't recall if i ever had macadamia oil or not, either. 1060197;1426857071;mircea_popescu;i guess i'll have to try this now. 1060198;1426857073;cazalla;it's good shit 1060199;1426857249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16941 @ 0.00030091 = 5.0977 BTC [-] 1060200;1426857383;cazalla;the nuts are very creamy, and the oil is great for frying anything that is crumbed, like chicken 1060201;1426857534;mircea_popescu;i don't do so much frying myself. 1060202;1426857677;cazalla;fair enough, but i fry the fuck out of everything 1060203;1426857731;cazalla;well not reary but i am partial to crumbed chicken fried the fuck out 1060204;1426857774;Adlai;!up cazalla 1060205;1426858379;danielpbarron;!up bhcoins this is you? -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=794678.msg8948683#msg8948683 1060206;1426858380;assbot;[CLOSED] bhCoins Serie 3 0.1 BTC denominated physical Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/199jI4K ) 1060207;1426858402;chetty;highway robbery I tell ya, spen 83 pesos at the grocery 1060208;1426858444;danielpbarron;most of my expenses are for food 1060209;1426858580;mircea_popescu;"Why are the coins dated 2013 :/ because we designed and minted them last year, but we could assemble them last month.." 1060210;1426858583;mircea_popescu;how do you assemble coins ?! 1060211;1426858596;danielpbarron;there's a newer model i just found, but w/e 1060212;1426858785;danielpbarron;"If you want to resell them, either include a hologram so that the buyer can generate a new private key or just don't assemble the coin." << what on earth is the point then? 1060213;1426858792;cazalla;anyway going to bed, but i request la serenissima bequeath me the state of Tasmania so as to use it to grow the best shit 1060214;1426858869;mircea_popescu;enjoy c man 1060215;1426859985;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1060216;1426860060;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060168 <<< president is french. it's shit though. would probably even be legal in uslandia 1060217;1426860060;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 13:02:49; mircea_popescu: a whole range of french (president ?) and italian cheeses ? 1060218;1426860162;mircea_popescu;davout sorta minimum level of camembert i can live with. 1060219;1426860173;davout;fair enough 1060220;1426860177;mircea_popescu;but im going to forcefeed you "industria argentina" camembert just to make this point. 1060221;1426860226;davout;tbh, what's the most important with camembert, is to not eat too early when it's not "made" 1060222;1426860238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122814 @ 0.00030152 = 37.0309 BTC [+] {2} 1060223;1426860239;davout;obviously it doesn't go in the fridge either 1060224;1426860271;mats;danielpbarron: do a public service and tell those people holos can be beaten 1060225;1426860299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98686 @ 0.00029524 = 29.1361 BTC [-] {2} 1060226;1426860421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00030622 = 4.9914 BTC [+] 1060227;1426860490;danielpbarron;it doesn't sound like anyone is using those things for more than a novelty; they aren't even funding the things for fear of depreciating value 1060228;1426860554;mircea_popescu;meanwhile over at decadence camp, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhxrh6pprt1qbujxso1_1280.jpg 1060229;1426860555;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/199mZB0 ) 1060230;1426860575;mircea_popescu;davout also helps if it's not made out of tyres. 1060231;1426861056;pete_dushenski;top o' the mornin' ! 1060232;1426861093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00029327 = 22.2299 BTC [-] {2} 1060233;1426861259;pete_dushenski;cazalla: not even sure why pete would waste his time coming to this shit hole << being a tourist =! being a resident 1060234;1426861315;pete_dushenski;despite the crazy minimum wage and resulting cost of food, australia is perfectly enjoyable place to visit for a few weeks. 1060235;1426861368;pete_dushenski;beautiful architecture, wildlife galore 1060236;1426861445;pete_dushenski;by the standards of la serenissima, most everywhere is full of stupidheads derping about with delusions of self-importance 1060237;1426861489;pete_dushenski;australia isn't markedly worse than canada and in many ways preferable. 1060238;1426861545;pete_dushenski;cazalla: your opa could've come here just as well and you wouldn't have been necessarily better off 1060239;1426861564;pete_dushenski;yet by the measures of most of the world, this is still 'the land of milk and honey' 1060240;1426861628;pete_dushenski;if one ends up here, today, wherever they're from was a successful stepping stone. 1060241;1426861648;pete_dushenski;and couldn't have been otherwise. 1060242;1426862052;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/20/the-straw-that-broke-twitters-back/ 1060243;1426862053;assbot;The straw that broke Twitter’s back. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/199pdAs ) 1060244;1426862097;thestringpuller;oh a pete_dushenski 1060245;1426862105;*;thestringpuller refreshes contravex 1060246;1426862111;pete_dushenski;heya dude 1060247;1426862120;pete_dushenski;^tis right there for ya 1060248;1426862136;pete_dushenski;me, saying sayonara to social media 1060249;1426862162;*;kakobrekla just returned from his fiat bank - what a terrible experience. 1060250;1426862186;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: ikr! 1060251;1426862219;pete_dushenski;went with a friend who wanted 6 months of statements from her pc 1060252;1426862232;pete_dushenski;because of course, they weren't available online 1060253;1426862272;mircea_popescu;!up FrankU 1060254;1426862284;pete_dushenski;so at the branch, they charge her $xx and then tell her that the statements can't be printed out then and there and have to go to another city for review, then they'll be shipped to the branch, then she'll have to come back and pick them up 1060255;1426862302;pete_dushenski;my jaw hit the floor. 1060256;1426862325;pete_dushenski;this, for some simple bank statements 1060257;1426862340;kakobrekla;sounds about right. 1060258;1426862373;mircea_popescu;scam. 1060259;1426862374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15845 @ 0.00030622 = 4.8521 BTC [+] 1060260;1426862427;pete_dushenski;seriously, reminded me of the spa lady health club scam 1060261;1426862432;mircea_popescu;dude, check it out, pete_dushenski was punished by the holy redditard empire for his murdersome streak. 1060262;1426862446;mircea_popescu;either that or just got bored. 1060263;1426862465;pete_dushenski;i like the sound of 'murderous streak' 1060264;1426862499;pete_dushenski;*murdersome 1060265;1426862517;pete_dushenski;pass some of dat murder 1060266;1426862561;pete_dushenski;o hey nasdaq 5k. again. 1060267;1426862587;mircea_popescu;"with stun guns on mounted on their heads" 1060268;1426862665;pete_dushenski;ef. 1060269;1426862701;pete_dushenski;fixed. ty! 1060270;1426862755;mats;S&P is quite high too... 1060271;1426862756;mircea_popescu;time to meet teh parents http://40.media.tumblr.com/b3b451526b36c461256b93216a70a44b/tumblr_mhpfg9rNk21rln4dzo1_1280.jpg 1060272;1426862757;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/199q6ZP ) 1060273;1426862819;mats;must be the cheap petrol. 1060274;1426863057;danielpbarron;http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150320130957 1060275;1426863057;assbot;OpenSSH 6.8 Released ... ( http://bit.ly/1OdTkat ) 1060276;1426863066;danielpbarron;Add FingerprintHash option to ssh(1) and sshd(8), and equivalent command-line flags to the other tools to control algorithm used for key fingerprints. The default changes from MD5 to SHA256 and format from hex to base64. 1060277;1426863114;pete_dushenski;also fixed footnote ii in that last one. i'm asleep at the wheel here. 1060278;1426863212;danielpbarron;with you off twitter, that puts me in the #2 spot for WoT user with most followers? 1060279;1426863254;pete_dushenski;behind... ? 1060280;1426863273;danielpbarron;!gettrust assbot copumpkin 1060281;1426863274;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user copumpkin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/copumpkin | http://w.b-a.link/user/copumpkin 1060282;1426863277;pete_dushenski;"A bug bounty hunter, Laxman Muthiyah, discovered a critical flaw in the Facebook Photo Sync feature and Facebook API that could allow any third-party app to access your personal photos from the hidden Facebook Photo Sync album." << lel that sm. 1060283;1426863330;pete_dushenski;ah https://twitter.com/copumpkin 1060284;1426863332;assbot;Dan P (@copumpkin) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoMZAM ) 1060285;1426863350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00029928 = 16.0414 BTC [-] 1060286;1426863356;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: of the regulars though, you're #1 ! 1060287;1426863361;danielpbarron;ah wait, ageis also has more :< 1060288;1426863385;danielpbarron;and jyap 1060289;1426863386;pete_dushenski;quality, not quantity, is the name of the game. 1060290;1426863402;pete_dushenski;remove thee from the bezzle-mindedness 1060291;1426863420;PeterL;what percentage of your followers are people you have never actually met in person? 1060292;1426863448;danielpbarron;is this some "irc != irl" thing? 1060293;1426863454;danielpbarron;who cares if i've met them? 1060294;1426863476;PeterL;have you met everyone on irc? 1060295;1426863484;PeterL;I was just curious? 1060296;1426863488;danielpbarron;no 1060297;1426863506;danielpbarron;i've met kyuupichan 1060298;1426863509;danielpbarron;that's it 1060299;1426863579;PeterL;my facebook is 100% people I know irl, my twitter is more like 5% 1060300;1426863599;danielpbarron;that is, he's the one guy in here that i didn't know outside of b-a and have met him in person 1060301;1426863639;danielpbarron;i think my twitter followers are higher quality than my facebook friends 1060302;1426863655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00028923 = 13.3335 BTC [-] {4} 1060303;1426863699;danielpbarron;this is real life. right in here. 1060304;1426863714;danielpbarron;this is more real than most of the stuff people say "in person" 1060305;1426864023;mod6;ya, irc has no substitutes 1060306;1426864082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43550 @ 0.000294 = 12.8037 BTC [+] 1060307;1426864796;thestringpuller;lol without IRC this would be a BBS (in som alternate reality) 1060308;1426864814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00029447 = 14.3407 BTC [+] 1060309;1426865357;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron> this is more real than most of the stuff people say "in person" << well yeah but that's more a function of how boring most people are. 1060310;1426865667;thestringpuller;http://imgur.com/VB7m7nq << >:( 1060311;1426865675;bitstein;So, guys, how's the weather? 1060312;1426865690;PeterL;springy 1060313;1426865910;pete_dushenski;bitstein: spring yesterday, snow dump today, cake tomorrow 1060314;1426865997;bitstein;pete_dushenski: birthday? 1060315;1426866012;pete_dushenski;nah, soviet joke lol 1060316;1426866048;chetty;cake is always tomorrow 1060317;1426866059;PeterL;the cake is a lie 1060318;1426866085;pete_dushenski;nah, tomorrow is a lie 1060319;1426866112;bitstein;https://i.imgur.com/4tbzb7a.jpg 1060320;1426866113;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FKNzNU ) 1060321;1426866125;pete_dushenski;if only tomorrow could be today, then cake ! 1060322;1426866135;pete_dushenski;bitstein: ayup 1060323;1426867896;Naphex;o/ 1060324;1426867903;Naphex;mircea_popescu: http://www.romania-insider.com/mcoin/144725/ looks like you got cited :D 1060325;1426867905;assbot;Romanian sells house for 55,000 Mcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExDTSJ ) 1060326;1426868047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.00030019 = 11.8125 BTC [+] 1060327;1426868125;fluffypony;wtf is an Mcoi 1060328;1426868128;fluffypony;*Mcoin 1060329;1426868147;Naphex;some MLM Ponzi scheme that has been hypeing in Romania lately 1060330;1426868161;Naphex;http://trilema.com/2015/catre-ministerul-afacerilor-interne-in-atentia-d-lor-gheorghe-nicolae-petre-toba-bondar-marin-si-d-nei-laura-codru%C8%9Ba-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/ 1060331;1426868162;assbot;Catre Ministerul Afacerilor Interne. In atentia d-lor Gheorghe Nicolae, Petre Toba, Bondar Marin si d-nei Laura CodruÈ›a Kövesi : Dvs stiati ca angajatii dvs se ocupa cu frauda pe Internet ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7h1A ) 1060332;1426868350;trinque;sorry davout, I changed the syntax on you 1060333;1426868355;trinque;in teh logs 1060334;1426868390;trinque;!up deedbot- 1060335;1426868394;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3QD6MT5.txt 1060336;1426868395;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7ody ) 1060337;1426868395;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1060338;1426868397;trinque;donk 1060339;1426868420;trinque;shall go out at the hour 1060340;1426869211;mats;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/nyregion/mark-strand-80-dies-pulitzer-winning-poet-laureate.html 1060341;1426869214;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7Zfr ) 1060342;1426869367;trinque;mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059635 << which is the manual ? << tried geting rid of that colon by making the bot parse all messages for commands, not just highlights, and making deedbot- the command. didn't work, seems it should. I'm going to poke tenyks' author today to find out what's smart 1060343;1426869367;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 05:46:33; trinque: which... not the behavior in the manual 1060344;1426869441;trinque;punkman1: can I get "deedbot" from ya? 1060345;1426870243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00028838 = 12.1985 BTC [-] {2} 1060346;1426870406;[]bot;Bet placed: 9.36 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 113.22817126 BTC. Current weight: 87,607. 1060347;1426870620;trinque;!up deedbot- 1060348;1426870624;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1060349;1426870625;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1LS7 ) 1060350;1426870627;deedbot-;imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF 1060351;1426870632;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^ 1060352;1426871790;trinque;davout: http://deedbot.org/348443-15Fjyuen5G7eic5JJfQJjj133kLtcbcxV1.txt 1060353;1426871791;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19FapKR ) 1060354;1426871829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92065 @ 0.00028819 = 26.5322 BTC [-] 1060355;1426872012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41698 @ 0.00028819 = 12.0169 BTC [-] 1060356;1426872560;mike_c;kakobrekla: that price! http://query.bitcoin-assets.com/?data=trades&since_id=121698 1060357;1426872561;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19Fb6Ec ) 1060358;1426872595;mats;https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo07.pdf new PoC||GTFO 1060359;1426872602;kakobrekla;mike_c "type":"21" 1060360;1426872626;mike_c;oh. yeah. 1060361;1426872648;mike_c;odd that never broke my shit before. 1060362;1426872663;mike_c;anyways, thanks. my fault. 1060363;1426872675;kakobrekla;it was broken for a long time 1060364;1426872721;kakobrekla;recently got fixed and now causing trouble down the line 1060365;1426872808;mike_c;it's odd, because i explictly skip anything not in [0, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15] 1060366;1426872818;mike_c;or at least, it's supposed to. 1060367;1426872824;kakobrekla;dunno 1060368;1426872837;mike_c;dunno what? what the hell is wrong with my code?? 1060369;1426872840;kakobrekla;mhm 1060370;1426873398;mike_c;;;calc 0.0028819 / (0.00000029 * 12) 1060371;1426873398;gribble;828.132183908 1060372;1426873409;mike_c;;;calc 0.00028819 / (0.00000029 * 12) 1060373;1426873409;gribble;82.8132183908 1060374;1426874025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 300 @ 0.00364196 = 1.0926 BTC [-] {6} 1060375;1426874205;mats;ramtin-amin.fr/#tristar looks like Apple Lightning has been broken 1060376;1426874705;mats;https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coflynn/chipwhisperer-lite-a-new-era-of-hardware-security 1060377;1426874706;assbot;ChipWhisperer-Lite: A New Era of Hardware Security Research by Colin O'Flynn — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEYXVi ) 1060378;1426875101;chetty;!up ascii_field 1060379;1426875138;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/2NEWGPY.txt << from mats's link (pure gold) 1060380;1426875139;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZgPO ) 1060381;1426875149;ascii_field;https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo07.pdf << mega-talmud of lulz 1060382;1426875153;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZgQ1 ) 1060383;1426875153;ascii_field;recommended to all 1060384;1426875164;ascii_field;if you don't have a machine that can show 'pdf', find one just for this occasion. 1060385;1426875185;ascii_field;mats: very neat. 1060386;1426875303;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/0QFRVZR << missed a page earlier 1060387;1426875304;assbot;dpaste: 0QFRVZR: Cyber Criminal’s Song ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZman ) 1060388;1426875433;trinque;ehehe hilarious 1060389;1426875453;chetty;hahahah someone was a zork fan;You happen to see a note on the ground, a splotchy Hilbert curve napkin sketch followed by a handwritten 1060390;1426875453;chetty;table of hexadecimal numbers with uncertain names scrawled nearby. 1060391;1426875476;ascii_field;Aha. 1060392;1426875482;ascii_field;GO NORTH 1060393;1426875504;mats;lol 1060394;1426875584;danielpbarron;the "print instructions" assume you're on a debian variant (most likely for ubuntu users) 1060395;1426875617;ascii_field;only in that 'apt-get' 1060396;1426875620;danielpbarron;i guess if you're not on something debian you probably know how to convert that string into something useable 1060397;1426875631;ascii_field;i normally just read that as a shorthand for 'install on your box...' 1060398;1426875660;danielpbarron;ubuntu user would be like "wtf is emerge ??" 1060399;1426875731;fluffypony;pacman -S 1060400;1426875998;ascii_field;'He passed away in 2008, a paragon of sticking to just the prescribed amount of murderous blood-thirstiness at any given time, a true knight of the Party Line -- and, if there is ever a Hell, doubtlessly sticking Hell's engineers with the problem of how to reward such a sterling life achievement of toeing it ever so precisely. There are many shitty jobs in this world and the one beyond, but, believe in Hell or not, that 1060401;1426875998;ascii_field;one takes the cake.' 1060402;1426876003;*;ascii_field picks self up off the floor 1060403;1426876035;ascii_field;that thing contains the single best 'lysenko for dummiez' i've ever seen in english 1060404;1426876046;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^ consider for use on n00bz 1060405;1426876096;*;ascii_field as an amateur scholar of crackpottery and malignant pseudoscience, owns the complete works of mr lysenko 1060406;1426876236;ascii_field;https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo << 0-7 1060407;1426876236;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZVRs ) 1060408;1426876398;trinque;ascii_field: a quick google suggest this guy was off his rocker 1060409;1426876427;ascii_field;trinque: not any more so than, say, a pope. 1060410;1426876433;trinque;heh 1060411;1426876499;trinque;the guy got dissent against lamarckism outlawed? 1060412;1426876506;ascii_field;aha. 1060413;1426876509;trinque;that's how you secure your legacy right there 1060414;1426877360;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1060415;1426877380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53796 @ 0.0002863 = 15.4018 BTC [-] {2} 1060416;1426877387;ascii_field;https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo05.pdf << p. 27 mega-l0l, demonstration of RDRAND-as-hypothetical-backdoor on x86 1060417;1426877391;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BF0I4U ) 1060418;1426877441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28978 @ 0.00028439 = 8.2411 BTC [-] {2} 1060419;1426877963;ascii_field;https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo04.pdf << p. 22: 'Lenticrypt: a Provably Plausibly Deniable Cryptosystem; or, This Picture of Cats is Also a Picture of Dogs' 1060420;1426877967;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeKycz ) 1060421;1426877982;*;ascii_field has not yet read it but, the title alone, l0l 1060422;1426878134;felipelalli;My dear gang noise, did you guys see THIS: http://blog.btcjam.com/2015/03/19/btcjam-introduces-risk-based-pricing-interest-rates-set-automatically-by-credit-score/ ? 1060423;1426878135;assbot;BTCJam Introduces Risk Based Pricing (Interest Rates Set Automatically by Credit Score) | BTCJam Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeLayK ) 1060424;1426878147;felipelalli;I'm crying here. :'( The simply just killed the BTCJam. 1060425;1426878156;felipelalli;&They 1060426;1426878157;gribble;Error: "They" is not a valid command. 1060427;1426878163;felipelalli;*They 1060428;1426878205;felipelalli;Anyone can write about this on qntra.net? They just eliminate one of the best features of BTCJam. 1060429;1426878242;danielpbarron;felipelalli> My dear gang noise, did you guys see THIS << ya they sent me an email for some reason 1060430;1426878303;danielpbarron;to be fair, things like btcjam are already dead; this is more like shooting the zombie in the head so that it stops trying to feast on brains 1060431;1426878538;ascii_field;https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf << article on pg. 5 about 'fits in head' - pure gold 1060432;1426878542;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeMIZG ) 1060433;1426878554;ascii_field;('greybeard's luck') 1060434;1426878677;felipelalli;danielpbarron: :'( 1060435;1426878679;felipelalli;but really 1060436;1426878690;felipelalli;I'm so sad and so so so so fucking crazy with this. 1060437;1426878701;felipelalli;R.I.P. BTCJam. It was a nice service!! 1060438;1426878713;danielpbarron;wait.. you were serious? 1060439;1426878724;felipelalli;why not? 1060440;1426878733;danielpbarron;did you lend on it or borrow? 1060441;1426878736;felipelalli;both 1060442;1426878746;*;danielpbarron slaps felipelalli around a bit with a large default 1060443;1426878763;felipelalli;why do you think services like BTCJam are already dead? 1060444;1426878776;felipelalli;They are getting worse, but dead just with this decision. 1060445;1426878795;danielpbarron;they aren't in the WoT 1060446;1426878810;felipelalli;At least you can associate OTC in that. 1060447;1426878821;felipelalli;I know their reputation system is a crap. 1060448;1426878829;felipelalli;But it is a nice and useful service. 1060449;1426878842;felipelalli;The ugly true is that we have no options. 1060450;1426878858;felipelalli;That's why it is good. Because we don't have better options. 1060451;1426878867;danielpbarron;but you .. do! 1060452;1426878870;danielpbarron;in here 1060453;1426878874;felipelalli;But now I have ZERO option. 1060454;1426878888;danielpbarron;that's because you had ZERO ideas worth investing in 1060455;1426878906;ascii_field;https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf << pg. 18: demonstration that intel -could- have diddled RDRAND instruction in such a way as to undetectably manipulate linux rng in spite of xor lemma 1060456;1426878909;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeO3iV ) 1060457;1426878975;trinque;ascii_field: is it possible to use random data from multiple sources that are diddled, but by different manufacturers, and get usable random data? 1060458;1426878985;ascii_field;trinque: read the linked piece 1060459;1426878988;trinque;k 1060460;1426878990;felipelalli;danielpbarron: I'm sad. They killed a service that I was using for years. It isn't that good, but... 1060461;1426879022;ascii_field;trinque: spoiler: recall that the XORing also happens on same cpu 1060462;1426879026;danielpbarron;and people were using piratat40's "service" for a while too 1060463;1426879032;ascii_field;and therefore manipulable. 1060464;1426879042;ascii_field;see also last week's thread re: specificity of diddlage 1060465;1426879057;felipelalli;danielpbarron: but do you think BTCJam was a crap from the start to end? 1060466;1426879062;danielpbarron;yes 1060467;1426879074;felipelalli;danielpbarron: how do you lend money? 1060468;1426879084;felipelalli;or borrow? 1060469;1426879088;*;ascii_field wishes he could buy the entire issue of the 'pocorgfo' in hard cover archival paper 1060470;1426879097;ascii_field;as it comes out, even 1060471;1426879101;danielpbarron;i don't except with very close associates and even then i'd really rather not 1060472;1426879124;felipelalli;danielpbarron: so, you are not the target, that's why you are not worried. 1060473;1426879125;danielpbarron;;;later tell nubbins` ^ job opportunity 1060474;1426879125;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1060475;1426879178;danielpbarron;felipelalli, get more WoT connections in here and maybe you can borrow money 1060476;1426879189;ascii_field;why would anyone want to borrow btc ? 1060477;1426879201;danielpbarron;that's what I'd like to know 1060478;1426879210;ascii_field;if you can reliably turn x btc into kx for some nonzero positive k, 1060479;1426879213;danielpbarron;i know a guy (Birdman) who borrows it to play poker 1060480;1426879222;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1060481;1426879225;ascii_field;then you don't need to borrow, just start with epsilon 1060482;1426879231;ascii_field;and end up with as many as you want 1060483;1426879241;danielpbarron;well he always loses it 1060484;1426879250;danielpbarron;that's why he always needs to borrow it again 1060485;1426879256;trinque;that's uh, not borrowing 1060486;1426879264;ascii_field;and someone, knowing this, wants to lend ? 1060487;1426879276;felipelalli;danielpbarron ascii_field many reasons, like arbitrage for example. But you can borrow linked to USD or BRL. 1060488;1426879301;danielpbarron;felipelalli, like what ascii said, if that were profitable you should already have a stash with which to work 1060489;1426879342;felipelalli;that what exactly? Borrow? 1060490;1426879384;ascii_field;felipelalli: linked to usd << can go borrow usd right now, trivially 1060491;1426879384;danielpbarron;if you have some arbitrage opportunity, and it's worked in the past, you should have bitcoin from last time to make it work again this time.. so why the need to borrow? 1060492;1426879387;ascii_field;as many as you like 1060493;1426879401;felipelalli;danielpbarron: but and in the first time? 1060494;1426879420;danielpbarron;well you seem to be well past a first time.? 1060495;1426879458;danielpbarron;and yeah, go borrow fiat, buy bitcoin, make money, sell some bitcoin, repay loan 1060496;1426879474;felipelalli;borrow fiat where? 1060497;1426879479;felipelalli;in the bank? 1060498;1426879487;danielpbarron;idk, i have credit cards 1060499;1426879496;ascii_field;felipelalli: friendly local mafia 1060500;1426879497;danielpbarron;every week i'm getting new offers 1060501;1426879509;danielpbarron;i have a stack of those prepaid return envelopes 1060502;1426879513;danielpbarron;:D 1060503;1426879524;felipelalli;Depends on situation. For example: I had to spend some unforeseen money and I didn't want to climb a mountain to get my bitcoins, so I got a loan with a very low interest rate. 1060504;1426879560;felipelalli;Yes, I store my bitcoin in a coordinate. 1060505;1426879562;danielpbarron;it's so risky borrowing bitcoin; it's ruined lives 1060506;1426879573;felipelalli;danielpbarron: it is linked with USD :) 1060507;1426879580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26869 @ 0.00028369 = 7.6225 BTC [-] 1060508;1426879581;danielpbarron;i really doubt your secret mountain wallet is as secure as you imagine 1060509;1426879582;felipelalli;the bitcoin is just the mean. 1060510;1426879602;felipelalli;danielpbarron: well, I have some backups. 1060511;1426879617;felipelalli;danielpbarron: but I am a geocaching player and yes, it is very secure. 1060512;1426879633;danielpbarron;i don't doubt your physical hiding abilities 1060513;1426879683;mats;rofl 1060514;1426879688;danielpbarron;i doubt 1) your entropy generating abilities 2) your not telling a secret when a hot iron is inserted into your body abilities 1060515;1426879696;felipelalli;danielpbarron: I have to go now! :) I'll write an article about this bad move of BTCJam soon. Thank you. 1060516;1426879743;felipelalli;danielpbarron: 1) well, you will never know. 2) don't put all your eggs in the same basket. 1060517;1426879892;ascii_field;https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo02.pdf << p. 3 article, 'on importance of tools' << pure gold 1060518;1426879895;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeS0o0 ) 1060519;1426879994;danielpbarron;oh btw i got my ADA reference manual; things quite nice. it's from a public library and it looks as though nobody ever checked it out 1060520;1426880072;danielpbarron;someone pointed out to me that if i wasn't already a terrorist suspect, buying the reference manual to the language for airplanes isn't going to help that image 1060521;1426880095;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1060522;1426880098;trinque;danielpbarron: order a nodejs book and throw them off 1060523;1426880124;ascii_field;order 'anarchist's cookbook', get on the 'harmless idiots' list 1060524;1426880206;trinque;well, that wasn't the right keybinding 1060525;1426880373;Adlai;ascii_field: lies, there is no whitelist 1060526;1426880388;ascii_field;brownlist 1060527;1426880398;trinque;I'll go out on a limb and say they're not rounding up people for derping on IRC 1060528;1426880410;trinque;as much as that would make one the star of one's own action movie 1060529;1426880439;ascii_field;with enough effort, can get rounded up for derping with goose quill pen on parchment 1060530;1426880499;chetty; I'll go out on a limb and say they're not rounding up people for derping on IRC//yet 1060531;1426880665;trinque;chetty: maybe, years can make the inconceivable inevitable 1060532;1426880752;trinque;seems like you have to go directly after them pretty hard before they kill you 1060533;1426880759;trinque;not... buy an ada book 1060534;1426880795;trinque;michael hastings had what seems to me a long life by most measures of govt oppression 1060535;1426880796;ascii_field;the 'honest man hanged by six words he wrote' is not hanged 1/6th of the way by each 1060536;1426880824;ascii_field;but trinque's observation brings to mind one of mine 1060537;1426880827;trinque;ascii_field: well I think I'm echoing a sentiment I've heard from you; I wont be grabbing my rifle any time soon 1060538;1426880835;trinque;just waiting 1060539;1426880838;trinque;and educating myself 1060540;1426880845;ascii_field;every day when i wake up still alive, i know that i have not yet achieved anything. 1060541;1426880852;trinque;hah! that's about right 1060542;1426880926;kakobrekla;eh s.nsa is still young 1060543;1426880972;danielpbarron;!up mariorz 1060544;1426880998;jurov;s.nsa has grandiose achievements (planned) 1060545;1426881009;danielpbarron;!up yrashk 1060546;1426881018;jurov;they'd make for shiny eulogy 1060547;1426881049;trinque;!up ascii_field 1060548;1426881148;jurov;btw i don't get how would such data mining work.. someone would have to collect all the information first 1060549;1426881184;jurov;and more importantly, before or after collection, query for certain books and irc channels 1060550;1426881228;ascii_field;jurov: no, this is the naive picture 1060551;1426881253;ascii_field;the way it works, when it works, is that moles actually take the trouble to read (or even provocateur...) in the forum 1060552;1426881259;ascii_field;(whichever forum) 1060553;1426881277;ascii_field;and slowly, meticulously form a picture of who gets the red carpet to the gasenwagen and when 1060554;1426881366;jurov;i can see that, except for slowness or even meticulousness 1060555;1426881410;mircea_popescu;mp whining in 2012 that there's no rifled bullets. commenter fixing it, today : http://trilema.com/2012/o-idee-practica/#comment-113197 1060556;1426881411;assbot;O idee practica ✭ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeWFpU ) 1060557;1426881414;mircea_popescu;amd hi all! 1060558;1426881450;jurov;hello 1060559;1426881464;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: rifled projectiles for smoothbore barrels are sold in every hunting shop in usa 1060560;1426881477;mircea_popescu;yeah well... 1060561;1426881484;mircea_popescu;romanian ok ? easier audience. 1060562;1426881527;ascii_field;jurov: normally you can tell who are the 'basic' shills by noting their assumptions (of their marks being dumb as shit) - see, e.g., mr moarspam: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014388 1060563;1426881527;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 03:30:16; asciilifeform: also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur' 1060564;1426881595;mircea_popescu;course that may just select for dumb willful people. 1060565;1426881620;ascii_field;zap the predators, zap their prey - we don't need either for anything 1060566;1426881627;mircea_popescu;mmm 1060567;1426881639;mircea_popescu;their prey is usually someone's mom. 1060568;1426881647;mircea_popescu;take BingoBoingo's earlier drunken rageorgy. 1060569;1426881655;ascii_field;not speaking of generic sp4mz0rz here 1060570;1426881658;ascii_field;but of provocateurs 1060571;1426881672;mircea_popescu;not sure that resolves it. 1060572;1426881679;ascii_field;like the one in linked thread 1060573;1426881747;mircea_popescu;naphex ahahaha romania-insider, you should see that thing o gawd. 1060574;1426881756;mircea_popescu;best english is lulzy english. 1060575;1426881769;mircea_popescu;ascii_field aite working my way there, 1060576;1426881801;[]bot;Bet created: "BTC to top $500 before June 29th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1130/ 1060577;1426881812;trinque;anybody know punkman's status? wanted to get the bot squared away with a proper nick, then get that autovoiced 1060578;1426881824;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060348 << sweet. 1060579;1426881824;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 16:57:04; trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt 1060580;1426881828;trinque;if I can't get deedbot, I'll just do it with the dash 1060581;1426881840;mircea_popescu;;;seen punkman1 1060582;1426881841;gribble;punkman1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 11 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: command line deed grabber: curl -s http://deeds.bitcoinyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ | grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?= https://twitter.com/neweraesthetics/status/574869026817601536 1060585;1426881851;mircea_popescu;punkman yo 1060586;1426881854;mircea_popescu;hm. 1060587;1426881869;mircea_popescu;!up Mrstickball 1060588;1426881929;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060364 << lol win 1060589;1426881929;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 17:32:01; kakobrekla: recently got fixed and now causing trouble down the line 1060590;1426882095;mircea_popescu;felipelalli: My dear gang noise, << new one. 1060591;1426882114;mircea_popescu;anyway, is btcjam just about cooked up enough to go belly up or does it still have thread to survive this year ? 1060592;1426882142;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060428 << i dunno that anyone ever took them seriously. 1060593;1426882142;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 19:03:25; felipelalli: Anyone can write about this on qntra.net? They just eliminate one of the best features of BTCJam. 1060594;1426882242;brendafdez;I was searching the logs and couldn't find a way to sort by date ascending. Tried setting the start parameter to a value close to the total number of results, but it won't take values greater than 5000. :( Is there a way to do it? 1060595;1426882256;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060448 o.O. See http://trilema.com/2015/btcjam-what-starts-as-a-scam-stays-a-scam/ ? or maybe https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-btcjam-peer-to-peer-bitcoin-lending.67541/page-21#post-1330880 ? 1060596;1426882256;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 19:13:49; felipelalli: But it is a nice and useful service. 1060597;1426882257;assbot;BTCJam : What starts as a scam stays a scam pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAelGZ ) 1060598;1426882260;mircea_popescu;but anyway. 1060599;1426882285;mircea_popescu;brendafdez i thought search automatically sorts by time, descending ? 1060600;1426882317;danielpbarron;brendafdez, beginning of public log -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013#1 1060601;1426882317;assbot;Logged on 26-04-2013 00:01:30; pgp3: just looked at chart... shit... a couple hours can be an eternity in bitcoin land... 1060602;1426882325;[]bot;Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before June 29th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1130/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,994. 1060603;1426882362;brendafdez;I was trying to see the first messages in the chan by each user. If a user has say 50000 messages, I can't find a way to see the pages with the earliest 45000. 1060604;1426882376;mircea_popescu;oh. 1060605;1426882409;mircea_popescu;yeah i think you found a problem that can't actually be resolved with currently available tools. 1060606;1426882415;danielpbarron;that's a feature! nobody wants their first words to be seen again :p 1060607;1426882419;mircea_popescu;lol. 1060608;1426882431;brendafdez;ok :P then it'll have to be done the hard way ;) 1060609;1426882438;mircea_popescu;it is sort-of a feature, you only get to see the noobish beginnings of people newer than you. 1060610;1426882449;kakobrekla;meanwhile http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from:brendafdez&start=180 1060611;1426882450;assbot;184 results for 'from:brendafdez' - #bitcoin-assets search 1060612;1426882467;brendafdez;works only bc I have less than 5000 1060613;1426882482;kakobrekla;a 1060614;1426882502;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060482 << well yes but maybe it's a one shot thing. 1060615;1426882502;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 19:20:31; ascii_field: and end up with as many as you want 1060616;1426882576;*;trinque reads davout's latest deed.... gpg on win 3.1?? 1060617;1426882663;trinque;seems I'd sooner airgap a bsd or something, but if it works it works 1060618;1426882691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86800 @ 0.00028414 = 24.6634 BTC [+] {4} 1060619;1426882693;trinque;is there some ancient processor which has an rng that works? 1060620;1426882846;trinque;!up punkman1 1060621;1426882876;trinque;deedbot- or notary? punkman1 has notary grouped atm 1060622;1426882878;trinque;!up ascii_field 1060623;1426882882;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^ 1060624;1426882922;trinque;eh it's already deedbot lots of places, probably best with the current nick 1060625;1426882954;trinque;punkman1: lose your primary nick? 1060626;1426882977;punkman;nope 1060627;1426882979;ascii_field;trinque: rng in ic is a dead concept right off the bat 1060628;1426883039;punkman;trinque, I think Ragnar had "deedbot" account, you can ask him 1060629;1426883065;trinque;RagnarDanneskjol: ^ lemme know if you'd like the current deedbot to use that nick 1060630;1426883258;punkman;http://xm42.com/ 1060631;1426883260;assbot;XM42â„¢ | The Ion Productions Team ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmQnzv ) 1060632;1426883342;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060490 << no, not for him, and not for most of the third world. 1060633;1426883342;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 19:23:04; ascii_field: felipelalli: linked to usd << can go borrow usd right now, trivially 1060634;1426883366;mircea_popescu;if you imagine random guy in this world can borrow for any purpose you're nuts. all banks lend to nat'l government and us government only. 1060635;1426883404;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: speaking from the chumpatronic jail here, just about any schmuck can get at least 5 digits of loansharkamatic without breaking a sweat 1060636;1426883414;ascii_field;(at extortionate interest, but that's a separate question) 1060637;1426883420;mircea_popescu;sure, but uniquely usian phenomenon. 1060638;1426883432;mircea_popescu;AND this is for the great benefit of everyone else, because nobody is as poor as usians. 1060639;1426883452;mircea_popescu;just, you know, everyone thinks they're speshul. but if i were a natl bank governor i wouldn't allow the derps to borrow either. 1060640;1426883475;ascii_field;it is used as the real primary taxation mechanism 1060641;1426883496;mircea_popescu;"get an education get a house get insurance get a wife" etc. sure. 1060642;1426883500;mircea_popescu;but still. 1060643;1426883501;ascii_field;schmuck wants to live in a house, owes $maxint, pays interest until dies 1060644;1426883517;mircea_popescu;i think bynow college > housing, but yeah, same idea. 1060645;1426883530;trinque;nobody under 30 expects to own a house anymore 1060646;1426883542;mircea_popescu;that's cool, because nobody over 30 owns one, either. 1060647;1426883542;trinque;rent forever, never pay off student debt 1060648;1426883553;mircea_popescu;expectations coming to allign with reality is a measure of emerging sanity 1060649;1426883575;trinque;of course, property taxes underneath all the other "it's not really yours" 1060650;1426883601;trinque;or forfeiture 1060651;1426883611;*;Adlai wouldn't be surprised if not only http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039710 but also it contains a few houses too 1060652;1426883611;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 09:14:51; mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone in the wot ever actually starves. 1060653;1426883628;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060503 << and here we go. nothing to do with money everything to do with household cashflow 1060654;1426883628;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 19:25:24; felipelalli: Depends on situation. For example: I had to spend some unforeseen money and I didn't want to climb a mountain to get my bitcoins, so I got a loan with a very low interest rate. 1060655;1426883629;Adlai;though the wot isn't exactly your average "nobody over 30" 1060656;1426883629;trinque;I got paid to go to college and still left 1060657;1426883672;ascii_field;i have a fairly solid expectation of starving eventually 1060658;1426883677;ascii_field;so gotta disagree 1060659;1426883684;ascii_field;(somehow didn't notice that thread..) 1060660;1426883689;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i had an article about how all us citizens should have a solid expectation of being homeless eventually 1060661;1426883694;mircea_popescu;it's just what the numbers say 1060662;1426883728;mircea_popescu;(% of homeless people, life expectancy of homeless people, life expectancy of general population, -> over 50% or some shit) 1060663;1426883759;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060505 << you familiar with the experience of that one guy who borrowed in 2011ish toi make a point, was still paying on it by 2013 ? 1060664;1426883759;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 19:26:02; danielpbarron: it's so risky borrowing bitcoin; it's ruined lives 1060665;1426883784;Adlai;mircea_popescu: how's that work, you're saying homeless people have longer life expectancy? 1060666;1426883790;mircea_popescu;much shorter. 1060667;1426883792;danielpbarron;probably; i've read the horror stories on the forum 1060668;1426883802;Adlai;then why would most people have an expectation of being homeless eventually!? 1060669;1426883828;Adlai;or is the theory that homelessness is a stage just before death 1060670;1426883830;mircea_popescu;think of it in terms of particles : if muons live a second and meons an hour, and at all times 10% of particle population is muons, then what changes does a meon to turn into a muon during its lifetime ? 1060671;1426883830;ascii_field;Adlai: in usa, if your income nulls out you turn into a bum generally within one business quarter 1060672;1426883831;trinque;mircea_popescu: hm is this where the declining soviet population went? a different x% croaking on the street per year? 1060673;1426883840;trinque;ascii_field: ^ 1060674;1426883845;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1060675;1426883868;mircea_popescu;s/changes/chances/ 1060676;1426883934;mircea_popescu;felipelalli if you write some apologetic pos about how toejam is an actual service it's not getting published. 1060677;1426883966;mircea_popescu;"all the other rags" is the proper venue for that sorta nonsense. 1060678;1426883987;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060523 << this lol 1060679;1426883987;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 19:35:24; ascii_field: order 'anarchist's cookbook', get on the 'harmless idiots' list 1060680;1426884014;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060529 << this actually hapepned ? 1060681;1426884014;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 19:40:39; ascii_field: with enough effort, can get rounded up for derping with goose quill pen on parchment 1060682;1426884037;ascii_field;first one that comes to mind is giordanno bruno 1060683;1426884040;danielpbarron;according to the mythology taught in US public school, ya 1060684;1426884049;ascii_field;but yes, complicated (TM) 1060685;1426884064;mircea_popescu;last one not first one. 1060686;1426884094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.0002872 = 12.9384 BTC [+] 1060687;1426884113;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060549 << someone's not been paying attention TO ALL THE ALLCAPS DEPRAGE. TEMPEST. WHOREFEST. MUCUS. ANTIETAM. ETCISAWORD. 1060688;1426884113;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 19:53:04; jurov: and more importantly, before or after collection, query for certain books and irc channels 1060689;1426884159;mircea_popescu;trinque hastings was born before me wtf. this is a long life now ? 1060690;1426884175;mircea_popescu;s/before/after. 1060691;1426884183;trinque;mircea_popescu: when imagining overt dictatorship I'd think so 1060692;1426884205;mircea_popescu;i don't think any human population can be stable with lifetimes averages < 30. 1060693;1426884218;mircea_popescu;the population simply collapses at that point. think cockroaches. 1060694;1426884221;ascii_field;re: starving: at any rate, starvation is also what they do to 'problematic' folks in usa instead of shooting, typically 1060695;1426884228;ascii_field;blackballing - traditional 1060696;1426884231;trinque;oh we're fucked; I just don't expect that the men in black are coming for me because I said I like bitcoin 1060697;1426884236;mircea_popescu;ascii_field problem is we're rich. this can no longer work for bitcoin. 1060698;1426884243;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is rich 1060699;1426884251;*;ascii_field is not remotely confusable for rich 1060700;1426884266;mircea_popescu;the plan is of course to use it extensively on anyone related to usg, starting with the press, starting with idiot whores a la leah goodman and idiot venues a la newsweek 1060701;1426884269;mircea_popescu;but it onl;y works that way 1060702;1426884305;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not you and me per se. bitcoin, itself, going for 10bn dollah nao. 1060703;1426884306;mircea_popescu;too far. 1060704;1426884352;trinque;ascii_field's comment about having accomplished something put it better than I did 1060705;1426884356;ascii_field;'you'n me will burn in this here tank, but red army triumphs' (tm) / 1060706;1426884356;ascii_field;? 1060707;1426884387;mircea_popescu;you were discussing economic warfare omg. 1060708;1426884418;mircea_popescu;"you and i might not care or know, but someone in the capitalist club is financing the new lightbulb" 1060709;1426884536;mircea_popescu;and the discussion of how this works - already, for that matter - is right above : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060676 1060710;1426884536;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 20:38:54; mircea_popescu: felipelalli if you write some apologetic pos about how toejam is an actual service it's not getting published. 1060711;1426884543;mircea_popescu;one day newsweek will need to borrow and find itself unable to. 1060712;1426884548;mircea_popescu;and some other day, usg. 1060713;1426884579;mircea_popescu;as you say, it's called blackballing. 1060714;1426884602;ascii_field;yeah, but right now the who-whom is pointed the other way. 1060715;1426884606;mircea_popescu;nope 1060716;1426884610;mircea_popescu;it only works one way. 1060717;1426884647;mircea_popescu;modern weapons yo. they only work in the hands of the proper people. 1060718;1426884665;ascii_field;rly. so mykotronx is holding bake sales to build nsa crypto garbage, and s.nsa is baking diamond ternary ram ? 1060719;1426884675;mircea_popescu;nope. 1060720;1426884687;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: I understand. Thank you. 1060721;1426884689;mircea_popescu;but there's nothing anyone can do to prevent s.nsa from baking what it bakes 1060722;1426884701;mircea_popescu;whereas mykotronx can stop tomorrow, and that tomorrow is coming. 1060723;1426884710;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1060724;1426884714;ascii_field;'It will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber.' (some american derpmeister in the '60s) 1060725;1426884731;mircea_popescu;ascii_field compare, for it is informative, cisco's experience with bitbet's experience. 1060726;1426884744;mircea_popescu;cisco was caught working with usg, lost 90% of sales in onequarter. 1060727;1426884757;mircea_popescu;derp fucked up on bitbet, it turns out bitbet is not a consumer venue, sales doubled that quarter. 1060728;1426884760;ascii_field;then we find out that it doesn't actually need sales for anything 1060729;1426884770;mircea_popescu;this is what it is, and the most important dynamic since combustion engine. 1060730;1426884776;mircea_popescu;of course it does. 1060731;1426884781;ascii_field;it gets to carry on derping by order of the tsar-god 1060732;1426884797;mircea_popescu;not in any sense useful, that. 1060733;1426884811;trinque;tsar god can't declare things into existence 1060734;1426884821;mircea_popescu;imagine your daughter fails exams, now can't go to school. so what, you make her a mini university out of cardboard, and while the other girls to go school 1060735;1426884821;*;ascii_field recalls learning with alarm as a little boy that there was ever such a thing as a reichsmark. 'couldn't hitler simply order shit done?' 1060736;1426884830;mircea_popescu;she derps with puppets in the foot tall "campus" ? 1060737;1426884841;ascii_field;lol i live in that campus. 1060738;1426884845;mircea_popescu;lol 1060739;1426884853;mircea_popescu;anyway, i gtg, we shall continue this argument tomorrow 1060740;1426884856;mircea_popescu;and day after, 1060741;1426884863;mircea_popescu;and all days until the one day, because it seems our fate :D 1060742;1426884874;ascii_field;lulzatronix. 1060743;1426885508;nubbins`;*:ascii_field wishes he could buy the entire issue of the 'pocorgfo' in hard cover archival paper <<< judging by the second-page notes, you can 1060744;1426885680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00028308 = 6.1145 BTC [-] 1060745;1426885847;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: Where can I find objective arguments against BTCJam? As a lending service and reputation system? And what are the alternatives for P2P lending or we don't have? They have 113,000 users, should they be ignored? 1060746;1426885866;danielpbarron;oh speaking of things nubbins` can print; how about an official Qntra business card? 1060747;1426885891;danielpbarron;felipelalli, the alternative is right in here 1060748;1426885908;nubbins`;danielpbarron no doubt 1060749;1426885914;nubbins`;silkscreened business cards are ++ 1060750;1426885948;danielpbarron;well i don't necessarily want to design one, but if that sounds like something the other qntra writers would want, I'd like a stack of them with my name on it if that's ok 1060751;1426885960;nubbins`;felipelalli how many users does windows xp have? 1060752;1426885964;nubbins`;should they be ignored? 8) 1060753;1426885991;nubbins`;danielpbarron if you guys figure somethin out between yourselves, i can print a batch all at once to save on setup 1060754;1426886050;danielpbarron;that's what i mean :D 1060755;1426886061;nubbins`;we print them something like 36-up, so you could have w/e number of designs/names/etc you wanted 1060756;1426886133;nubbins`;"Th is i s how t o c o n v e r t an i s s u e f o r d u pl e x p r i n t i n g ." 1060757;1426886135;nubbins`;right on 1060758;1426886205;nubbins`;asciilifeform these things look great 1060759;1426886615;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1060760;1426886700;felipelalli;nubbins`: in other words, should they be ignored? :) 1060761;1426886717;felipelalli;danielpbarron: Thank you! Next time I'll try it! :) 1060762;1426886726;nubbins`;felipelalli you tell me 8) 1060763;1426886732;nubbins`;point being that yes, many people can be wrong 1060764;1426886755;nubbins`;asciilifeform you'd be looking at around $10-15 for a softcover / staple-bound issue of this sent to your door 1060765;1426886782;nubbins`;depending on page count 1060766;1426886810;felipelalli;nubbins`: but I would like to collect the cons arguments. I was using the service for a while and it was nice, except the reputation system. But yes, without a good reputation system, it is worthless. :/ 1060767;1426886828;nubbins`;sounds like "it is worthless" is a pretty big con. 1060768;1426886828;ascii_field;nubbins`: which 'this' 1060769;1426886833;ascii_field;nubbins`: the whole set ? 1060770;1426886842;felipelalli;nubbins`: :) huge. 1060771;1426886843;nubbins`;sorry, just grabbed a random issue 1060772;1426886852;nubbins`;let me get a full page count here 1060773;1426886860;nubbins`;issue 6 recommends printing it on ledger 1060774;1426886940;felipelalli;I said to BTCJam CEO: "mircea said BTCJam is not even a service" he said "who is this?" and then tried to convince me "other people disagree with him" 1060775;1426887168;felipelalli;I was trying to convince him that don't let the users choose the interest rate is not a good idea. 1060776;1426887202;danielpbarron;well it's an obvious path for them to take considering the thing is a scam attractor 1060777;1426887272;nubbins`;ascii_field say around a hundred bucks for issues 00-07, 8.5x11" footprint, staple-bound 1060778;1426887284;ascii_field;staple bound ? 1060779;1426887288;ascii_field;as in, iron staples ? 1060780;1426887296;BingoBoingo;I have the most intense hangover 1060781;1426887297;nubbins`;i'd have to check the type of metal 1060782;1426887301;ascii_field;ugh 1060783;1426887303;ascii_field;not booklike at all 1060784;1426887304;nubbins`;almost certainly steel 1060785;1426887314;nubbins`;hey, i can hand-sew, but you're not gonna like the price 1060786;1426887339;felipelalli;he said they have a "learning machine" to determine the correct interest rate, but it is a joke don't let the free market decide its own rates. 1060787;1426887388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00028308 = 12.2574 BTC [-] 1060788;1426887403;nubbins`;once you start sewing bindings, you commit to labour-intensive cover attachment 1060789;1426887437;ascii_field;ah 1060790;1426887448;ascii_field;it was worth a shot. thx for the phree quote, nubbins` 1060791;1426887467;ascii_field;but i can laser print and perforate as well as the next guy. 1060792;1426887471;nubbins`;nod 1060793;1426887509;danielpbarron;http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 1060794;1426887509;assbot;Gmane -- Re: stable Linux 2.6.25.10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Lp8K ) 1060795;1426887518;danielpbarron;point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them. 1060796;1426887524;nubbins`;it's only around $30 of materials 1060797;1426887551;danielpbarron;Security people are often the black-and-white kind of people that I can't stand. I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys, in that they make such a big deal about concentrating on security to the point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them. 1060798;1426887563;nubbins`;truthfully it's the fact that all the setup work is being done for a single book 1060799;1426887575;nubbins`;if you wanted, say, even a half-dozen copies, different story 1060800;1426887581;ascii_field;nubbins`: yes, like circuit boards 1060801;1426887620;ascii_field;nubbins`: i routinely use 'print on demand' houses when i feel like getting xxxx in dead tree, but the result is invariably just a little better than what i can do at home 1060802;1426887635;ascii_field;not one can do 'lay flat' cover, for instance 1060803;1426887653;ascii_field;(other than with perforator and spiral binding) 1060804;1426887658;danielpbarron;i might buy one if there are enough people in the pool 1060805;1426887661;nubbins`;you'd be surprised how tricky it is! 1060806;1426887675;*;ascii_field has bound books by hand and is not even slightly surprised 1060807;1426887682;nubbins`;heh. well, there y'go. 1060808;1426887683;ascii_field;but fact remains, there is no automagickal machine for it 1060809;1426887688;nubbins`;let me find some drool shots 1060810;1426887689;ascii_field;like there is for the crappy bindings 1060811;1426887758;ascii_field;danielpbarron: linus is wrong, but very few people seem to grasp the reason why 1060812;1426887781;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/2C4E5GP,20B9ktJ,SEDrede,EPI6Pww,pxZ4arA 1060813;1426887781;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXV9C1 ) 1060814;1426887799;ascii_field;!s malice incompetence 1060815;1426887800;assbot;21 results for 'malice incompetence' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=malice+incompetence 1060816;1426887809;nubbins`;5th image shows the kind of corners a thousand-dollar book plough makes. 1060817;1426887833;danielpbarron;did that 0.5.3 source ever become a book? maybe put that on the list of things I'd buy if enough people in pool 1060818;1426887844;ascii_field;danielpbarron: it did not 1060819;1426887853;nubbins`;danielpbarron it was shelved at the time 1060820;1426887856;ascii_field;danielpbarron: because i'm not interested in reading crud 1060821;1426887859;danielpbarron;basically anything ascii wants in book form, I would probably also want 1060822;1426887866;nubbins`;until such point is reached that the code is worthy of bookifying 1060823;1426887875;ascii_field;remember, b00kz only work if you... read'em 1060824;1426887887;nubbins`;nobody wants to pay me to typeset a piece of shit for 20 hours 8) 1060825;1426887902;ascii_field;nubbins`: what is a book plough ? 1060826;1426887907;ascii_field;cutting press ? 1060827;1426887914;danielpbarron;S.BOOK needs to be a thing maybe 1060828;1426887923;nubbins`;cutting press sounds like a fair synonym 1060829;1426887923;nubbins`;http://www.louet.nl/en/bookbinding-vertical-plough 1060830;1426887924;assbot;Louët :: Vertical Plough ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Mpd5 ) 1060831;1426887930;cazalla;BingoBoingo, how much piss did you sink last night? 1060832;1426887937;nubbins`;you can find youtube vidyas of same 1060833;1426887943;ascii_field;most folks source, rather than sink, piss 1060834;1426887964;ascii_field;nubbins`: betcha a laser would work 1060835;1426887977;nubbins`;mayhap. but it'd singe the pages? 1060836;1426887987;nubbins`;the edges this plough makes are as smooth as fucking /glass/. 1060837;1426887988;cazalla;ascii_field, we do things different down under :) 1060838;1426888047;ascii_field;nubbins`: surprisingly little burn if cut correctly 1060839;1426888055;nubbins`;wild 1060840;1426888056;ascii_field;but yes, they'll turn black 1060841;1426888061;nubbins`;http://www.talasonline.com/ 1060842;1426888063;assbot;Talas || Professional Archival, Bookbinding, Conservation and Restoration Supplies ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXW0CQ ) 1060843;1426888067;nubbins`;^ source of all things bookish 1060844;1426888075;nubbins`;their print catalog is a particular joy 1060845;1426888086;ascii_field;bookbinding is rather like music in a sense 1060846;1426888087;nubbins`;harkens back to the first time i rcv'd a mouser catalog 1060847;1426888096;nubbins`;oh, it's 100% an art 1060848;1426888099;nubbins`;you can't teach it 1060849;1426888117;nubbins`;...or maybe i just can't be taught it 8) 1060850;1426888118;ascii_field;in the sense that a typical artisan binder would probably react to my laser suggestion the same way my musical friends react to the suggestion of connecting my air compressor to the tuba 1060851;1426888124;nubbins`;hahah. 1060852;1426888135;nubbins`;hey, if it gets the job done. 1060853;1426888169;nubbins`;although TBF an old-timey bookbinding setup is still an incredibly efficient way to work 1060854;1426888202;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Half of a handle 1060855;1426888241;nubbins`;i've done staple-binding, perfect binding, kettle stitch binding... eventually i'm gonna have to order some board and cloth 1060856;1426888263;nubbins`;at which point things will come full-circle and i'll be silkscreening fabric for the covers of silkscreened books 1060857;1426888269;ascii_field;reference bitcoin - board & leather. 1060858;1426888273;cazalla;what's that.. a bit over 700ml.. damn that's a good effort BingoBoingo 1060859;1426888298;BingoBoingo;Yeah, got myself good and pickled 1060860;1426888378;nubbins`;ascii_field there's a woman in town who's been binding for years, has an ancient letterpress setup. i'd say she'd at least know where to point me for leather work 1060861;1426888404;nubbins`;you opposed to sealskin? 1060862;1426888443;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1060863;1426888451;ascii_field;sealskin works 1060864;1426888484;nubbins`;fair warning, animal lovers may resent you for it 1060865;1426888529;Adlai;needs a good dropcap, style of http://croquersamuse.voila.net/images/Web%20DSCN4701.jpg 1060866;1426888529;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9NLEG ) 1060867;1426888539;nubbins`;seals are uh, "special" mammalia. they're cute enough that their harvesting produces outrage 1060868;1426888548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108500 @ 0.0002829 = 30.6947 BTC [-] {2} 1060869;1426888562;nubbins`;Adlai religious texts are ++++ for those 1060870;1426888575;Adlai;is bitcoin deserving of 'religion' status? 1060871;1426888601;Adlai;being in the wot qualifies you for overseeing marriage in 2020 england, kind of stuff 1060872;1426888609;ascii_field;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3238352932884994@naggum.no.html << obligatory naggum 1060873;1426888610;assbot;Re: Common Lisp vs Scheme - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9NSjK ) 1060874;1426888619;ascii_field;(last paragraph) 1060875;1426888670;danielpbarron;nubbins`> fair warning, animal lovers may resent you for it << so.. win win :D 1060876;1426888711;ascii_field;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3237396100556424@naggum.no.html 1060877;1426888712;assbot;Re: Why I can't use Lisp. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXXJIn ) 1060878;1426888782;ascii_field;' I went to my local bookstore the other day. I wanted to give a beautifully bound Bible to a Christian friend of mine. Suddenly, I felt space around me warp and I was in USENET space. People from comp.lang.scheme offered me a beutifully bound Torah. People from comp.lang.dylan offered me a beautifully bound Koran. People from elsewhere on the Net offered me beautifully bound copies of The Lord of the Rings, Atlas 1060879;1426888782;ascii_field;Shrugged, A New Kind of Science, and then other people chimed in with suggestions for Gray's Anatomy, The Chicago Manual of Style, and the 25-year anniversary edition of Gödel, Escher, Bach, all of them arguing that if I wanted the most important book, I would want their suggestions. I scremed, "Enough!", and space just as suddenly warped back to the bookstore and the very helpful young Muslim woman behind the counter 1060880;1426888782;ascii_field; went to find a soft-leather-bound Bible with gold edges on the India paper, just like I had wanted and asked for, without unwelcome suggestions or anyone pretending to know better than me. It was so respectful I almost got religion, myself. ' 1060881;1426888948;*;danielpbarron has a stack of Bibles 1060882;1426888968;ascii_field;danielpbarron: varying translations or just bindings ? 1060883;1426888969;danielpbarron;one of the best places to get like-new Bibles is a used book store 1060884;1426888975;danielpbarron;bindings mostly 1060885;1426888980;danielpbarron;although i have a spanish one 1060886;1426888985;danielpbarron;but mostly KJV 1060887;1426888995;danielpbarron;i'd like more NKJV but they just aren't as widly produced 1060888;1426889011;nubbins`;friend of mine has a ton of bibles 1060889;1426889021;nubbins`;he's got one that's a reproduction of the 1st-edition gutenberg bible 1060890;1426889026;danielpbarron;actually maybe nubbins` can help me there; I have this really nice pocket Bible with a zipper and real leather, but it's KJV and i'd like it in NKJV 1060891;1426889027;nubbins`;SO MANY HUGE FUCK-UPS 1060892;1426889052;danielpbarron;probably way out of my price range though 1060893;1426889121;nubbins`;they don't sell nkjv bibles w/ zippers and leather? 1060894;1426889123;danielpbarron;http://g.christianbook.com/dg/product/cbd/f400/146074.jpg << i think it's this one 1060895;1426889124;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXYG3g ) 1060896;1426889129;danielpbarron;nope 1060897;1426889133;danielpbarron;not as small as that ^ one 1060898;1426889192;danielpbarron;that also has the "references" B.S. which I don't need -- I'd rather have the NKJV alternate transation footnotes 1060899;1426889282;nubbins`;better ask News Corp, i guess 1060900;1426889304;nubbins`;http://viewer.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/icv/page.php?book=arch._b_b.11&page=409 1060901;1426889305;assbot;Arch. B b.11 - pages ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXZ9lZ ) 1060902;1426889322;nubbins`;^ check out the missing paragraph break, top right 1060903;1426889414;danielpbarron;i don't understand what i'm looking at 1060904;1426889448;nubbins`;http://bav.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/field/image/gutenberg_203r_0.png 1060905;1426889449;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9PRo6 ) 1060906;1426889455;nubbins`;that's what a paragraph break looks like 1060907;1426889473;nubbins`;the red and blue ink were added afterward, by hand, and the printer left a blank space for them 1060908;1426889485;nubbins`;nicer embellishments by the rubricators meant a higher selling price 1060909;1426889504;nubbins`;in the previous example, no such space was left for the number and the painted letter 1060910;1426889517;nubbins`;so various solutions were used for various copies 1060911;1426889527;nubbins`;that one's a particularly uh, embellished example 1060912;1426889645;nubbins`;"The "great majority of incunables did not issue from the press in a finished state ... hardly any incunable was considered 'finished' by its printer ...", suggesting that hand rubrication provided a sense of legitimacy to the efforts of early printers and their works." 1060913;1426889693;danielpbarron;i don't need fancy thingys; just the whole NKJV text pocket sized with a zipper so the pages don't get messed up when i travel with it but w/e my KJV works well enough 1060914;1426889779;jurov;btw, i was always curious what is one supposed to do with the bible all the time? 1060915;1426889795;jurov;i was like okay, read it like any other book 1060916;1426889832;danielpbarron;sometimes in arguments people are like "oh yeah where does it say that!?" 1060917;1426889832;nubbins`;jurov i think it's used more as a reference manual than a novel 1060918;1426889856;ascii_field;... and there's also bibliomancy. 1060919;1426889858;nubbins`;danielpbarron why not just get a similarly-sized NKJV and swap it out? 1060920;1426889871;danielpbarron;i'm not sure one even exists 1060921;1426889886;danielpbarron;i ordered what was described as "pocket sized" and it turned out to be much larger 1060922;1426889925;nubbins`;http://www.amazon.com/Smallest-Bible-NKJV-Black-Closing/dp/0840784465 1060923;1426889927;assbot;The Smallest Bible (NKJV, Black, Snap Flap Closing): Thomas Nelson: 9780840784469: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9QMF9 ) 1060924;1426889932;jurov;from experience i surmised it's used to find accurate projection for inner turmoil 1060925;1426889939;danielpbarron;yeah i've seen that one 1060926;1426889963;nubbins`;not quite a zipper 1060927;1426889976;jurov;scratch that accurate. any projection. 1060928;1426890022;nubbins`;jurov what else ya gonna do w/ turmoil 1060929;1426890101;jurov;nubbins`: esoteric/new age stuff is more soothing 1060930;1426890117;nubbins`;enya doesn't have any answers 1060931;1426890145;jurov;i did not say anything about answers 1060932;1426890195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00028185 = 17.1647 BTC [-] {2} 1060933;1426890246;jurov;they can be had by observation, not by projection anyway 1060934;1426890275;jurov;!up ascii_field 1060935;1426890294;*;nubbins` slow claps 1060936;1426890364;nubbins`;next you'll tell me that taking anti-anxiety meds won't help resolve deeply-rooted personal issues 8) 1060937;1426890393;jurov;no, obv only bible can do it 1060938;1426890403;danielpbarron;^ ++ 1060939;1426890465;trinque;https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/a4658f4eccc8a8e6338a8711c0291706/tumblr_mmbfq0apsW1r92643o1_500.jpg 1060940;1426890466;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BY28Ln ) 1060941;1426890531;nubbins`;that is *not* how you make a secret compartment in a book. 1060942;1426890627;trinque;nubbins`: along spine? 1060943;1426890634;trinque;wasn't a proposal though :p 1060944;1426890723;nubbins`;you're supposed to soak the entire book block in water+glue, then press it til it's dried, then cut the hole out 1060945;1426890739;trinque;ah, makes sense 1060946;1426890812;nubbins`;https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5215851/il_570xN.181912317.jpg 1060947;1426890814;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9SC8S ) 1060948;1426890828;BingoBoingo;http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20150320/archer-heights/150-firefighters-battle-extra-alarm-fire-archer-heights-thursday 1060949;1426890829;assbot;Huge Fire Breaks Out at Fire Extinguisher Factory in Archer Heights - Archer Heights - DNAinfo.com Chicago ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9SExv ) 1060950;1426890835;nubbins`;or even better, http://www.instash.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Hollow-Book-Safe-With-Flask.jpg 1060951;1426890837;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9SCWr ) 1060952;1426890875;trinque;!up brendafdez 1060953;1426890915;trinque;!up brendafdez 1060954;1426890929;trinque;brendafdez: might want to make sure your client auths before join 1060955;1426890954;trinque;dunno if ddos is a problem anymore, but it has happened 1060956;1426891025;brendafdez;trinque yes i never bothered to configure it properly 1060957;1426891057;brendafdez;it still is, at least as of last week i got ddosed when entering the chan 1060958;1426891058;trinque;bothering has its benefits 1060959;1426891067;brendafdez;indeed 1060960;1426891131;trinque;!up mollison 1060961;1426891326;nubbins`;man, this Roko's Basilisk is some straight-up bughouse stuff 1060962;1426891442;trinque;nubbins`: ever read I have no Mouth and I Must Scream? 1060963;1426891456;trinque;kind of reminds me of the AI in that 1060964;1426891472;nubbins`;nope 1060965;1426891477;nubbins`;i'll check it out 1060966;1426891484;trinque;good story, not directly related 1060967;1426891583;trinque;this idea that an exact duplicate of me *is* me seems absurd on its face 1060968;1426891599;trinque;part of the basilisk thing 1060969;1426891610;trinque;so you've got two hammers, and they're identical to the atom 1060970;1426891623;trinque;their position is irrelevant to the question? 1060971;1426891643;thestringpuller;brendafdez: what time is it in argentina rite meow 1060972;1426891687;trinque;"Per Yudkowsky's conception of continuity of identity, copies of you in these branches should be considered to exist (and be you) — even though you cannot interact with them." 1060973;1426891695;trinque;that sentence is so fucked 1060974;1426891701;trinque;you cannot interact with you 1060975;1426891703;trinque;but you are you 1060976;1426891721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00028106 = 8.8534 BTC [-] 1060977;1426891740;trinque;I took a look at less wrong a while ago, and decided I could find an easier fetish 1060978;1426891777;Adlai;it's like saying that in The Prestige, whatsisname is a mass-murderer... he's not, he just fork()s 1060979;1426891779;brendafdez;utc -3 1949 1060980;1426891829;trinque;Adlai: so? I'm experiencing subjectivity, whatever the fuck that is, *here* and definitely not *there* 1060981;1426891843;trinque;that there are an infinite number of copies of me with the same arrangement of atoms does not change that fact 1060982;1426891853;nubbins`;^ 1060983;1426891856;trinque;and that thing is what I identify with, that my experience of being is right fucking here 1060984;1426891883;jurov;someone go grow a finger from yudkowski's dna and tell him you have the rest of his clone in cellar 1060985;1426891894;nubbins`;heh 1060986;1426891915;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/HAQJsaQ.jpg 1060987;1426891915;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Vi6q ) 1060988;1426891980;nubbins`;lel 1060989;1426891984;danielpbarron;the word you're looking for, trinque, is soul 1060990;1426891993;trinque;danielpbarron: one way of putting it 1060991;1426892033;trinque;and I think a better way than not considering it at all 1060992;1426892136;trinque;danielpbarron: seems so many people try to argue themselves out of the obvious fact of their own being 1060993;1426892143;trinque;dunno if I put that clearly at all 1060994;1426892166;trinque;there's a mental defect where one considers himself to be an idea 1060995;1426892181;danielpbarron;right 1060996;1426892191;trinque;so if I change my thoughts about myself, I change? 1060997;1426892193;trinque;no. 1060998;1426892197;danielpbarron;you would necessarily die if chopped up into bits and uploaded 1060999;1426892216;danielpbarron;the thing on the other side would think it is you, but it wouldn't be you 1061000;1426892225;trinque;it is hard for me to draw conclusions about that scenario because uploaded is not at all defined 1061001;1426892231;trinque;but yeah, I am *here*, *this*, and *now* 1061002;1426892237;trinque;and no other imagined thing 1061003;1426892248;trinque;and only to myself, I can't disclose that thing to anyone else 1061004;1426892263;trinque;or to the religious, "himself before god" or something 1061005;1426892281;danielpbarron;it's another tower of babel for man to think he can write a program to simulate his own brain better than it already is 1061006;1426892289;trinque;hubris for sure 1061007;1426892309;trinque;I like asciilifeform's mind amplifier concept 1061008;1426892367;trinque;telescopes and so on, not some new created "being" 1061009;1426892390;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jltY41KxzXY << LOL 1061010;1426892391;assbot;OpenBSD: most secure OS in the planet, the movie! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9WjLO ) 1061011;1426892447;trinque;peaches oh my lol 1061012;1426892587;Adlai;trinque: right. the child process sees itself when dereferencing 'self' 1061013;1426892627;*;Adlai just finished the alpha version of his twist on actors/csp 1061014;1426892639;trinque;Adlai: dunno how far the programming metaphor goes; explain? 1061015;1426892647;trinque;I enjoyed that movie 1061016;1426892673;jurov;if you don't do fork but just spawn threads? what is self there? 1061017;1426892694;*;trinque got really like, far out, man, one time and concluded that his language processing bits were not the only thing he is 1061018;1426892724;trinque;I do not think there's a verbal definition of being 1061019;1426892733;trinque;can't grab it with that 1061020;1426892740;nubbins`;no, but do enough lsd and you'll find a non-verbal definition 1061021;1426892745;trinque;nubbins`: right-o 1061022;1426892752;nubbins`;dat ego death 1061023;1426892771;nubbins`;fair warning, that's a one-way street 8) 1061024;1426892793;Adlai;trinque: let's say harriezer has a 4d scanner, which he uses to capture the entire state of your brain, down to the atom. he then simulates twenty copies of this brain, each in its own simulated universe. even if you believe that there would now be 21 conscious trinques, the other twenty would be distinct from you. kinda like finding out about an identical twin that was separated from you at birth. 1061025;1426892794;nubbins`;and much realer than rololol's basilisk 1061026;1426892804;*;trinque recalls flopping around in front of a couch, saying to no one, "holy fuck, this is me!" 1061027;1426892814;*;danielpbarron has done "enough lsd" 1061028;1426892827;trinque;the flopping, lol 1061029;1426892827;Adlai;in the prestige, the magician does pretty much exactly this with tesla's copy-teleport machine 1061030;1426892844;nubbins`;Adlai not to mention that in the very next arbitrarily small slice of time, each of those 21 sets of atoms is now in a different state 1061031;1426892849;trinque;Adlai: yeh agreed they are distinct 1061032;1426892863;nubbins`;unless you're bringing quantum tunneling into it 8) 1061033;1426892882;Adlai;nubbins`: actually, i'd maintain the same even if harriezer's simulators recreate exactly what happens to trinque's brain in real time 1061034;1426892887;nubbins`;danielpbarron the concept of "enough" varies from person to person! 1061035;1426892907;nubbins`;nod 1061036;1426892916;Adlai;whether the identical programs on identical hardware ever read from /dev/random is another matter 1061037;1426892930;Adlai;but either way, they're still separate instances 1061038;1426892939;Adlai;even if their 'state' is identical 1061039;1426892952;nubbins`;if you accept the multiverse as an axiom, there are already infinitely many copies of the universe in which the entirety of states that the atoms of your brain will ever arrange themselves in are precisely identical 1061040;1426892992;nubbins`;Adlai they're fungible! 1061041;1426893004;Adlai;yes. in such a multiverse, there are an infinite number of identical 'people', but each one thinks of itself as itself. the others are fungible, but the self is unique. 1061042;1426893032;trinque;I'd just ask Yudkowski "how are all of you feeling today?" 1061043;1426893035;trinque;he can't answer that 1061044;1426893038;trinque;knows he's full of shit 1061045;1426893041;trinque;it's barely worth considering 1061046;1426893056;trinque;no subjective experience can travel across his abstact bridge 1061047;1426893060;trinque;*abstract 1061048;1426893128;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061016 << let's analogize that to http://www.legiontheory.com/ 1061049;1426893128;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 23:04:33; jurov: if you don't do fork but just spawn threads? what is self there? 1061050;1426893129;assbot;Legion Theory ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Yb7c ) 1061051;1426893163;trinque;Adlai: dennett went down that road too as I recall 1061052;1426893173;trinque;the "pandemonium model" of mind? 1061053;1426893179;Adlai;yes, and feral neurons 1061054;1426893187;Adlai;http://www.meltingasphalt.com/neurons-gone-wild/ 1061055;1426893188;assbot;Neurons Gone Wild | Melting Asphalt ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Yjne ) 1061056;1426893206;trinque;still in my experience there is a distinction between that which is thought and the singular experience of observing that 1061057;1426893208;Adlai;sorry, dennett himself is at http://edge.org/conversation/the-normal-well-tempered-mind 1061058;1426893210;assbot;THE NORMAL WELL-TEMPERED MIND | Edge.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Ynn2 ) 1061059;1426893241;trinque;thoughts do seem to all compete for attention 1061060;1426893248;trinque;attention seems like one thing 1061061;1426893252;Adlai;you've never had a thought spring fully-formed into your mind ? 1061062;1426893257;trinque;certainly 1061063;1426893265;trinque;what you're calling "your mind" I'm calling attention 1061064;1426893270;trinque;the observer 1061065;1426893273;Adlai;sure 1061066;1426893295;trinque;probably danielpbarron's soul 1061067;1426893314;jurov;lol "we don't know what is a consciousness? let's say it is composed of many of itself" 1061068;1426893324;trinque;jurov: heh!!! 1061069;1426893347;Adlai;cf https://xkcd.com/1489/ 1061070;1426893348;assbot;xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRP7rs ) 1061071;1426893363;Adlai;specifically, "Of these four forces, there's one we don't really understand." "Is it the weak force or the strong--" "It's gravity." 1061072;1426893433;jurov;and where thoughts come from... brain is dreaming all the time, there are easy exercises to access this stream at any time 1061073;1426893456;jurov;plus there is some pattern matching mechanism between tdreaming and external stimuli 1061074;1426893470;jurov;to choose what is being processed further and verbalised 1061075;1426893472;trinque;jurov: had the thought once in meditation that I was always... hm... thinking everything I've ever experienced all the time 1061076;1426893513;Adlai;someone (iirc dennett) lamented that everybody has their own theory of consciousness, as though this was a bad thing! 1061077;1426893514;jurov;i've tracked myself many thoughts back to that dream form 1061078;1426893527;*;Adlai doesn't (yet) see any use to the theory of consciousness beyond discussing it 1061079;1426893543;trinque;that is certainly so 1061080;1426893572;*;trinque steps back from the lsd flashback, gets another beer 1061081;1426893644;jurov;at least my theory is useful in practice. just close eyes and watch what's happening, no need to be bored ever again 1061082;1426893672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90000 @ 0.00028424 = 25.5816 BTC [+] {2} 1061083;1426893676;trinque;jurov: also good to review whatever's slipped in there while one's distracted 1061084;1426893683;Adlai;note that you can actually get cevs by doing just this, if you can keep your eyeballs from moving for ~5 minutes 1061085;1426893693;jurov;it's pointedly nota mediatation in "think of something that is nothing" sense 1061086;1426893714;danielpbarron;Adlai> note that you can actually get cevs by doing just this, if you can keep your eyeballs from moving for ~5 minutes << i used to do this when getting lecured by my mother as a child 1061087;1426893722;Adlai;ahahaa 1061088;1426893734;jurov;what's cev? 1061089;1426893736;danielpbarron;OEV though 1061090;1426893740;Adlai;closed-eye visions 1061091;1426893769;trinque;man when I was a kid, I'd have bizarre dreams 1061092;1426893770;Adlai;or visuals 1061093;1426893778;trinque;had one where I asked god what it meant to not exist 1061094;1426893782;trinque;at around 7 1061095;1426893809;Adlai;http://psychedelicfrontier.com/perception-scope-how-conjure-open-eye-visuals/ 1061096;1426893810;assbot;The Perception Scope: How to Conjure Open-eye Visuals at Will - Psychedelic Frontier ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRQoyL ) 1061097;1426893831;trinque;lots of others involving apolcalyptic subjects 1061098;1426893850;trinque;the scenarios the mind can simulate... I'd like a pill someday that causes lucid dreaming 1061099;1426893880;nubbins`;train yourself for it 1061100;1426893900;nubbins`;take melatonin, and every time you touch a doorknob or a light switch in waking life, ask yourself "am i dreaming?" 1061101;1426893902;trinque;I run a business, too reactionary atm 1061102;1426893912;trinque;if I fall asleep at all I'm good 1061103;1426893916;nubbins`;eventually the habit will cross over 1061104;1426893931;Adlai;the idea is to build a habit of doubting whether you're awake 1061105;1426893932;nubbins`;and you'll find your dream-self holding a doorknob wondering if you're dreaming 1061106;1426893943;trinque;I'll try it out 1061107;1426893953;nubbins`;i had a roomie who did this with moderate success 1061108;1426893954;jurov;i'm all for moderation. not immerse yourself in it, just be aware of the stream 1061109;1426893990;Adlai;https://medium.com/@Grayfox/the-hacker-who-drank-ayahuasca-517148aa1ed4 1061110;1426893991;assbot;The Hacker Who Drank Ayahuasca — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9ZROf ) 1061111;1426893992;nubbins`;jurov classic explanation of LSD action is that it removes the filters that your brain normally automatically applies to that stream 1061112;1426894004;trinque;Adlai: that one's on the list for when I can take a long enough vacation 1061113;1426894024;jurov;s/automatic/learned 1061114;1426894060;trinque;2c-e was a hell of a journey once upon a time 1061115;1426894088;trinque;seems like it messed with whatever simulates the world visually in the brain 1061116;1426894099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48133 @ 0.00028538 = 13.7362 BTC [+] {2} 1061117;1426894099;trinque;found thoughts escaping out into the things I was seeing around me 1061118;1426894101;trinque;that kind of thing 1061119;1426894124;Adlai;literally, psychedelic = manifesting the mind 1061120;1426894129;trinque;ah, there you go 1061121;1426894150;nubbins`;jurov ooh, i like that, +1 1061122;1426894151;trinque;shapes would form in front of me that corresponded to concepts, or so it seemed 1061123;1426894157;jurov;lol you insist on psychedelic and whatnot. i'm about normal brain function 1061124;1426894163;jurov;this: http://www.winwenger.com/imstream.htm 1061125;1426894164;assbot;Project Renaissance, Image-Streaming ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa0bMV ) 1061126;1426894209;trinque;it is probably utterly american of me to desire the right technology to experience such things 1061127;1426894213;Adlai;not really insisting, but the wagon is not moderate 1061128;1426894214;jurov;"Contrary to recent general belief, virtually every human can quickly and readily learn to "get pictures" in his mind's eye, thus becoming able to do visual thinking." 1061129;1426894219;trinque;as opposed to the right practice 1061130;1426894278;jurov;heh technique. can't get any simpler than trying to describe what comes to mind 1061131;1426894321;trinque;jurov: hm, seems just like what one does telling a story to another 1061132;1426894464;jurov;when you're telling a story you're doing it to some purpose 1061133;1426894500;jurov;this is describing whatever is happening in the brain 1061134;1426894770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73620 @ 0.00028779 = 21.1871 BTC [+] {4} 1061135;1426895090;asciilifeform;the whole 'copy isn't you' thing is pure unadulterated vitalism, however. 1061136;1426895123;asciilifeform;it is no accident, incidentally, that chemistry went nowhere until vitalism was banished from it 1061137;1426895136;asciilifeform;and physics ground to a screeching halt when bohr reintroduced it to physics 1061138;1426895169;asciilifeform;the answer to 'is the copy you' is 'shutthefuckup you're asking a broken question' 1061139;1426895273;asciilifeform;(while you read this paragraph, it is quite likely that at least one of your neurons died. and wasn't even replaced with a copyable mechanical one, at that. are you 'still you' ? and moreover, do you find the question itself interesting, or the answer being something that matters ?) 1061140;1426895380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108718 @ 0.00029139 = 31.6793 BTC [+] {2} 1061141;1426895441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25632 @ 0.00029821 = 7.6437 BTC [+] 1061142;1426895491;nubbins`;re: neurons gone wild 1061143;1426895491;Adlai;well, you do become 'less yourself', until there's nothing left... although it's a more complex process than just cells dying 1061144;1426895512;nubbins`;you apparently see at comic-con type events a lot of people who have an "other self" 1061145;1426895518;nubbins`;generally some sort of furry 1061146;1426895535;Adlai;http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/brain_basics/ninds_neuron.htm#death 1061147;1426895537;assbot;The Life and Death of a Neuron: National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa3gMN ) 1061148;1426895542;asciilifeform;nubbins`: to find people with 'more than one self' you generally have to visit more than one asylum 1061149;1426895557;asciilifeform;(most 'multiple personality' cases are really just schizophrenics playing games. ask a specialist) 1061150;1426895574;Adlai;ah, that word again 1061151;1426895579;nubbins`;8) 1061152;1426895582;trinque;asciilifeform: well yeah, I think defining self is meaningless 1061153;1426895589;trinque;but saying that is distinct from saying it doesn't exist 1061154;1426895599;trinque;can I tell you what it feels like for me to type this? 1061155;1426895605;nubbins`;asciilifeform i published an (embellished) bio of a man with schizophrenia 1061156;1426895609;Adlai;most people roleplaying at conventions aren't even as 'dissociated' as a good method actor 1061157;1426895612;nubbins`;*autobio 1061158;1426895621;trinque;there's an experience happening over here, and it has an extent 1061159;1426895627;asciilifeform;nubbins`: yeah i recall the thread 1061160;1426895628;trinque;the extent of that experience will not expand when you duplicate me 1061161;1426895641;Adlai;and it's a stretch to say that professional actors are schizophrenic, although many of them do seem to fear zoltan 1061162;1426895642;nubbins`;there's a large chunk of the book that could be misidentified as schizo by the unqualified observer 1061163;1426895648;nubbins`;but it's really just runaway thoughts 1061164;1426895671;nubbins`;coupled with hypothetical "suppose this strawman was ME" type clauses 1061165;1426895675;trinque;now hell, "you" 1061166;1426895681;trinque;you is a broken concept for sure 1061167;1426895681;asciilifeform;trinque: you say this, and so will the copy 1061168;1426895689;trinque;asciilifeform: right, indistinguishable to you 1061169;1426895695;asciilifeform;and then mircea_popescu walks in with a '45 and asks which one to shoot 1061170;1426895696;trinque;however a copy of you would be distinguishable to you 1061171;1426895705;asciilifeform;which me 1061172;1426895707;asciilifeform;l0l 1061173;1426895708;trinque;doesn't matter 1061174;1426895708;Adlai;http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/03/15/answer-to-job/ 1061175;1426895711;assbot;Answer to Job | Slate Star Codex ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa3DqR ) 1061176;1426895711;trinque;each is distinct to itself 1061177;1426895718;nubbins`;"which do i shoot" "either or, but not both" 1061178;1426895723;trinque;asciilifeform: seems like you're thinking from an imaginary 3rd person perspective 1061179;1426895734;trinque;all that matters to whichever me is me, is uh... me 1061180;1426895737;trinque;lol 1061181;1426895741;asciilifeform;but unless you posit some bit of of shamanism that distinguishes the original and is somehow copy-protected, the copying -happened- 1061182;1426895763;trinque;talking at crossways I think 1061183;1426895770;trinque;one's talking about identity, the other being 1061184;1426895772;asciilifeform;(typically shaman says that no such thing as the copy could even be attempted, because the gods will drop a piano on your head.) 1061185;1426895784;*;asciilifeform does not find ^ a very interesting hypothesis 1061186;1426895804;nubbins`;copout 1061187;1426895815;Adlai;in zindell's scifi, their best tech for copying - renders the organ being copied incapable of supporting further consciousness 1061188;1426895837;Adlai;(functions as a plot element, not a copout) 1061189;1426895912;trinque;asciilifeform: I began criticizing the idea that all of the infinite me's are to be considered as though they are the me driving the keyboard 1061190;1426895926;trinque;whether they are the same to you doesn't matter at all to me 1061191;1426895935;trinque;I will still strive to be the one not capped by the 45 1061192;1426895937;trinque;:p 1061193;1426895941;asciilifeform;again using this word that no longer has a correct meaning in the hypothetical system 1061194;1426895942;asciilifeform;'me' 1061195;1426895950;trinque;I disagree entirely 1061196;1426895954;asciilifeform;so shaman? 1061197;1426895962;trinque;that I am sitting here having this experience defines "me" sufficiently for me to use it 1061198;1426895971;trinque;if it doesn't for you, who cares? 1061199;1426895990;asciilifeform;i might care, when it's my turn to argue with my copy about who should be shot 1061200;1426896004;asciilifeform;but yet again this sentence is an abuse of word. 1061201;1426896073;asciilifeform;re: teleporter: there were actually people who refused to travel on steam locomotives because the soul can't keep up and will get lost 1061202;1426896075;asciilifeform;or somesuch 1061203;1426896096;asciilifeform;for some reason you don't meet terribly many folks today who won't ride, e.g., an airplane, for this reason 1061204;1426896104;asciilifeform;even among the devoutly religious 1061205;1426896112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 164 @ 0.0145 = 2.378 BTC [+] 1061206;1426896123;nubbins`;except the guys w/ the plastic bags 1061207;1426896135;Adlai;the meaning of 'me' which is consistent in this system is: "the thing which you perceive yourself as communicating with" 1061208;1426896135;asciilifeform;wai wat 1061209;1426896143;trinque;times in the past I have had cluster headaches 1061210;1426896160;trinque;caused by various head injuries over the years 1061211;1426896176;trinque;in the midst of that level of pain no one ever questions where he begins and where he ends 1061212;1426896190;trinque;stab the clone and nothing *here* happens 1061213;1426896193;trinque;who cares about the clone 1061214;1426896213;asciilifeform;trinque: you're 'dividing by zero' just by thinking about this 1061215;1426896218;asciilifeform;just as the rest of us do. 1061216;1426896218;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/3GHvrdn.jpg 1061217;1426896218;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbMTiV ) 1061218;1426896233;trinque;nubbins`: lol 1061219;1426896235;asciilifeform;nubbins`: what is pictured here ? 1061220;1426896250;asciilifeform;contagious patient ? 1061221;1426896253;Adlai;orthodox jew in a fullbody condom 1061222;1426896272;asciilifeform;l0l 1061223;1426896280;asciilifeform;Adlai: what is the logic behind the condom ? 1061224;1426896280;Adlai;probably to prevent physical contact with female flight attendants 1061225;1426896281;nubbins`;asciilifeform apparently some hasidic jews feel they are not permitted to fly over cemeteries 1061226;1426896293;jurov;i'd fuck myself. we'd only have to resort to reading /dev/random about who goes first. 1061227;1426896293;nubbins`;the airport in tel aviv is surrounded by cemeteries 1061228;1426896298;asciilifeform;but the plastic in the fuselage is not sufficient barrier ? 1061229;1426896307;trinque;the bag was blessed maybe 1061230;1426896310;nubbins`;this man is -- no joke -- protecting himself from w/e by completely enclosing himself in a plastic bag. 1061231;1426896318;asciilifeform;why not bless the floor tiles ? 1061232;1426896323;asciilifeform;for the whole lot of passengers 1061233;1426896324;asciilifeform;charge extra 1061234;1426896333;Adlai;there's a sub-race (seriously, they consider themselves a separate tribe-within-the-tribe) who are not allowed to / don't enter cemeteries 1061235;1426896348;asciilifeform;while alive, presumably ? 1061236;1426896357;asciilifeform;who, cohanim ? 1061237;1426896358;nubbins`;yes 1061238;1426896361;Adlai;yes. in the idf, when we had guided tours of mt hertzl (big military cemetary), they always asked before entering if there were any of them present 1061239;1426896369;Adlai;lest one accidentally trespass 1061240;1426896376;nubbins`;"Kohenim are prohibited from coming into contact with dead bodies, and many rabbis have taken the strict opinion that a Kohen may not ride in a plane if he knows ahead of time that it will fly directly over a Jewish cemetery." 1061241;1426896396;asciilifeform;is it considered a score against the cemetary, or the kohen ? 1061242;1426896396;trinque;ultimate trolls, whoever thinks up these rules 1061243;1426896405;*;Adlai actually thought the officer was kidding, the first time this happened 1061244;1426896411;nubbins`;"The man wrapped in plastic, whose photograph first appeared on the Redditor site and later on the Gothamist site, apparently did not want to take any chances. By covering himself in plastic, he established a separation between him and impurities." 1061245;1426896420;bitstein;Yea, I remember when I was on my birthright trip, my friend stayed behind when we visited Mt Hertzl. 1061246;1426896421;*;nubbins` rolls eyes 1061247;1426896422;*;trinque heads home, enjoyed the philosophical bullshit session 1061248;1426896423;Adlai;in the case of the army - it would be a terrible failure for the officer to let such a thing happen! 1061249;1426896462;nubbins`;examine the utter failure of logic by this man 1061250;1426896469;nubbins`;srsly, a fucking /plastic bag/. 1061251;1426896480;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i think they grade themselves 'for effort.' consider the rope 1061252;1426896486;nubbins`;asciilifeform precisely this 1061253;1426896493;nubbins`;RCs are no different 1061254;1426896493;asciilifeform;'eruv' (Adlai: correct transliteration if off) 1061255;1426896501;jurov;i'd ask them, what if there's a cemetery below him in australia? 1061256;1426896523;*;Adlai only has distant secondhand knowledge of orthodox theology 1061257;1426896529;asciilifeform;jurov: follow the logic. they don't care if there is a sea burial going on underneath, or a shipwreck with skeletons 1061258;1426896533;asciilifeform;because 'graded for effort' 1061259;1426896546;asciilifeform;and there isn't really a good effort they could make to demonstrate a desire to avoid those 1061260;1426896584;jurov;dunno if i could resist to troll them with a bone 1061261;1426896596;nubbins`;gl explaining that to security 1061262;1426896602;asciilifeform;!s pig burial 1061263;1426896603;assbot;3 results for 'pig burial' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pig+burial 1061264;1426896603;Adlai;what i do know is that one guy took cold showers on the sabbath, because if he opened the hot water tap, it might trigger the thermostat in the base's boiler 1061265;1426896633;Adlai;emphasis on "might", didn't help to point out that the boiler basically works 24/7 and still doesn't keep up 1061266;1426896696;nubbins`;which ender's game book was it where they created a race of smart people genetically predisposed to OCD? 1061267;1426896712;Adlai;either xenocide or children of the mind 1061268;1426896725;jurov;good that unlike jooz, we have danielpbarron that knows exactly what the letters say 1061269;1426896726;nubbins`;yeah. reminds me of that in some ways 1061270;1426896730;Adlai;(which were supposed to be one book, but eventually didn't 'fit in head') 1061271;1426896747;nubbins`;i got through about 7 of those books before giving up 1061272;1426896756;*;Adlai just read the first 4. regrets seeing the movie. 1061273;1426896759;nubbins`;just earth geopolitics after a while 1061274;1426896770;Adlai;you know, the ones that actually have a plot 1061275;1426896779;danielpbarron;http://www.atruechurch.info/sabbath.html Those who totally stop every work of their own righteousness (Psalm 16:2; Romans 4:5, "does not work"), and believe on Him who justifies the ungodly (Romans 4:5), these are those who fulfill the law (Romans 8:4) and keep a perpetual Sabbath (Hebrews 4:3-4, 9-10). 1061276;1426896780;assbot;A True Church - The Sabbath ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbPrxv ) 1061277;1426896789;nubbins`;ender's shadow is nb if you haven't read it 1061278;1426896795;nubbins`;ender's game from bean's pov 1061279;1426896838;Adlai;right. ender's game's plot, with different words. it doesn't have its own plot, and i need a few decades before i can read this author again, after children of the mind 1061280;1426896905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.00029872 = 12.367 BTC [+] {3} 1061281;1426896940;nubbins`;that's sorta the last one i enjoyed 1061282;1426896966;Adlai;children, or shadow? 1061283;1426896972;nubbins`;children of mind 1061284;1426896985;*;Adlai enjoyed it too, but it was just too long 1061285;1426897013;nubbins`;speaker for the dead and xenocide were the height 1061286;1426897029;Adlai;read it back when i had 4-5 hours of daily reading time in middle school 1061287;1426897041;nubbins`;i read an enormous amount of fiction in uni 1061288;1426897049;nubbins`;1000 pages a week at times 1061289;1426897075;Adlai;extracurricular? 1061290;1426897088;nubbins`;for lels, yeah 1061291;1426897095;nubbins`;not much required reading for a cs/math joint major 1061292;1426897126;nubbins`;did 1 english course (2 req'd for b.sc., did AP english in hs) 1061293;1426897159;nubbins`;24yo nubs was not impressed w/ having to take 1000-level english course with 18y/o's 1061294;1426897196;nubbins`;skipped 4 consecutive weeks of classes mid-semester, came out w/ an 88 and a letter from the faculty pleading me to change majors 1061295;1426897576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00028926 = 1.4174 BTC [-] 1061296;1426897936;asciilifeform;http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RlLqY7OJqUAJ:www.lunsfordnet.com/get/pdf/2595+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us 1061297;1426897937;assbot;Transition Dreams by Greg Egan "We can't tell you what your own transition dreams will be. The only thing that's certain is ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbTOsz ) 1061298;1426897939;asciilifeform;^ re: brain copies 1061299;1426897946;asciilifeform;w4r3z cache 1061300;1426897994;trinque;excellent story 1061301;1426897999;trinque;I should read more Egan 1061302;1426898015;trinque;luminous is sitting a few feet away 1061303;1426898144;Adlai;nubbins`: 'english' = literature | composition ? 1061304;1426898163;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you may appreciate this thought. So I like XC running, so I just like to run to work out. At some point it's like your body is heating up like a GPU trying to run a video game (hence sweat). So I've always thought of exercising as our bodies running "tough programs". lol 1061305;1426898858;nubbins`;Adlai a mix of both 1061306;1426898906;nubbins`;thestringpuller have you ever thought of eating a large quantity of muscle meat as running a tough program? 8) 1061307;1426898989;thestringpuller;^- da pun is strong with you today 1061308;1426899089;jurov;yes, on such meat branch prediction and caching fail all the time 1061309;1426899497;nubbins`;lel 1061310;1426899500;nubbins`;core dump 1061311;1426899511;thestringpuller;on eulora? 1061312;1426899614;nubbins`;more meat program puns 1061313;1426899627;nubbins`;srs tho, takes it outta ya 1061314;1426900626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.0002953 = 10.5127 BTC [+] 1061315;1426900680;mircea_popescu;!up dEBRUYNE 1061316;1426900748;mircea_popescu;http://baexpats.org/topic/33079-wild-cat-in-back-yard/ << misfortunate cat meets insane gringo 1061317;1426900750;assbot;Wild Cat In Back Yard - Expat Life - Buenos Aires Expats Group ... ( http://bit.ly/18OtOYN ) 1061318;1426900870;asciilifeform;how even found this. 1061319;1426900914;mircea_popescu;i > google! 1061320;1426900972;*;asciilifeform if had to choose who to render for fat, the animal or the 'man' from the link, would choose the latter without hesitation 1061321;1426901089;mircea_popescu;note that it's not even a wild cat. 1061322;1426901096;mircea_popescu;which would have hopefully killed him. 1061323;1426901107;asciilifeform;aha. we have idiots like this here 1061324;1426901125;asciilifeform;who brutally murder any tame animal unfortunate enough to be let out for a walk 1061325;1426901159;mircea_popescu;"gee, i wonder why the poor cat isn't scaling the wall after being sprayer with permethrin and not being fed for a week" 1061326;1426901180;mircea_popescu;"could a rope and an open can of tuna solve this problem ? naaah, best call the plumber!" 1061327;1426901373;asciilifeform;i would greatly enjoy putting the author of the post in the very similar situation. 1061328;1426901388;asciilifeform;dosage adjusted as necessary. 1061329;1426901468;asciilifeform;and i'm not even a zoophiliac. 1061330;1426901475;mircea_popescu;me either 1061331;1426901488;mircea_popescu;but i guess it's because we're sociopaths, aka, idiot-intolerant. 1061332;1426901501;asciilifeform;but some 'people' really -are- the 'planetary cancer'' imagined by enviro-whiners. as in, the actual core of truth behind the myth. 1061333;1426901526;asciilifeform;as in, there can be very few things more noble than killing them, slowly, and with cameras rolling for posterity. 1061334;1426901527;mircea_popescu;exactly. my objection isn't particularly that the cat got hurt as much as it is the guy didn't. 1061335;1426901561;asciilifeform;the beasts fight one another even without idiot man (i know this well enough from watching the wild cats in own yard) 1061336;1426901570;asciilifeform;though i've yet to find a carcass 1061337;1426901580;asciilifeform;presumably they keel over somewhere else, in a designated place 1061338;1426901599;danielpbarron;where does he move from that doesn't have cats? how did he figure out how to move?? 1061339;1426901641;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: in some parts of usa suburbia, animals found wandering outdoors are mercilessly caught and soap van 1061340;1426901642;mircea_popescu;actually i used to know, many years ago, an old, 2/3 tailless , earless, blind tomcat. 1061341;1426901664;mircea_popescu;i guess he was an anarchist cat. 1061342;1426901669;asciilifeform;how does beast with these handicaps stay afloat ? 1061343;1426901672;asciilifeform;was fed ? 1061344;1426901678;mircea_popescu;well i fed it ocasionally. 1061345;1426901682;mircea_popescu;i imagine plenty of people liked it. 1061346;1426901725;mircea_popescu;actually hanbot used to feed chicken livers to this blind dog that had a helper tripod dog (one limb cut off, prolly in tram accident). 1061347;1426901728;mircea_popescu;they made quite the team. 1061348;1426901739;danielpbarron;i got bit by a feral cat and freaked out less than this guy; didn't go to doctor even 1061349;1426901757;asciilifeform;we have a tailless one here, and a very ancient skeletal one, both fed 1061350;1426901791;mircea_popescu;anyway, animals do have all sorts of arrangements. 1061351;1426901801;mircea_popescu;at least in principle. creatures of habit. 1061352;1426901948;*;asciilifeform is experiencing almost a kind of synaesthesia. that post -stinks-, just about literally, of american degeneracy. smells kinda like 'mcdonalds' 1061353;1426901985;nubbins`;the guy sprayed a can of raid in a cat's face? 1061354;1426902006;asciilifeform;nubbins`: cholinesterase inhibitors work on everybody. just different potencies. 1061355;1426902016;nubbins`;is relieving him of his skin before he gets sent to the salt mines an option? 1061356;1426902042;asciilifeform;nubbins`: in the lab i worked at, permethrin was used as a substitute for sarin (the building was not rated for the latter, needs airlocks, etc) 1061357;1426902063;asciilifeform;or not permethrin 1061358;1426902064;asciilifeform;what was it 1061359;1426902164;mircea_popescu;permethrin is this contact insecticide that is well tolerated by mammals, 1061360;1426902167;mircea_popescu;except notably for cats. 1061361;1426902177;mircea_popescu;i was just filling in the gaps, dunno wtf he actually used, 1061362;1426902183;*;asciilifeform forgot precisely what. but leafing through old crap reveals that permethrin is not anticholinergic. so couldn't have been it 1061363;1426902184;mircea_popescu;but in context this'd be a reasonable expectation. 1061364;1426902249;asciilifeform;at any rate, i enjoy the picture that one day the correct gas may be found for the degenerate. 1061365;1426902322;nubbins`;actually yeah permethrin+cats, i remember that one 1061366;1426902327;asciilifeform;a specifically 'civilized' kind of degeneracy on exhibit here 1061367;1426902336;nubbins`;permethrin woulda been great for my hammock when i went to colombia ;/ 1061368;1426902359;nubbins`;nod 1061369;1426902365;nubbins`;"a strange happened so i badded it" 1061370;1426902392;asciilifeform;tries to exercise a delusion of control over his environment via the only means he knows how - by smearing his surroundings, and if you let him - entire planets - with his shit 1061371;1426902432;asciilifeform;and having the temerity to whine if a white spot remains 1061372;1426902719;mircea_popescu; "a strange happened so i badded it" << quite. 1061373;1426902727;mircea_popescu;people go all berserk about milgram experiment. 1061374;1426902744;mircea_popescu;bs. the problem there isn't anything to do with "people". dependent cattle behave outrageously if taken outside of their pens. 1061375;1426902752;mircea_popescu;that's the long and the short of it. has nothing to do with people. 1061376;1426902769;asciilifeform;^ 1061377;1426902782;mircea_popescu;the word for this can be "civilised", but it just as well be "fucking stupid". 1061378;1426902797;mircea_popescu;"o look, the usual crutches i use to hide my idiocy don't work, now it's nude on display". 1061379;1426902803;mircea_popescu;"well... that'd be because you're an idiot." 1061380;1426902809;asciilifeform;civilized. 1061381;1426902817;asciilifeform;is the correct word. 1061382;1426902832;mircea_popescu;we don't agree. slavegirls are civilised. 1061383;1426902840;asciilifeform;then possibly needs word 1061384;1426902841;mircea_popescu;these schmucks are just brainwashed. 1061385;1426902843;mircea_popescu;there IS a difference. 1061386;1426902851;asciilifeform;but it goes as closely with civilization as lead poisoning. 1061387;1426902862;mircea_popescu;so what if it does. tb goes with pallor, we don't call one the other. 1061388;1426902883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.0002943 = 7.1809 BTC [-] 1061389;1426902903;asciilifeform;to rephrase - i'm not certain that anyone knows how to 'civilization' without producing more of this material than anyone knows how to pour into concrete and bury 1061390;1426902914;mircea_popescu;i am quite certain at least someone does. 1061391;1426902926;mircea_popescu;it starts with "you will be beaten daily until you know how this works" 1061392;1426902934;mircea_popescu;as opposed to "this is ~how we use this~." 1061393;1426902940;mircea_popescu;one's civilisational, the other's brainwashing. 1061394;1426902985;asciilifeform;incidentally, notice how english speakers use word 'training' outside of the context of spinal reflex (sport) 1061395;1426902997;asciilifeform;it refers to precisely 'this is how we use' 1061396;1426903019;mircea_popescu;yup. 1061397;1426903033;mircea_popescu;directly anticultural, and through that mediation, civilisation-destroying. 1061398;1426903137;mircea_popescu; tries to exercise a delusion of control over his environment via the only means he knows how - by smearing his surroundings, and if you let him - entire planets - with his shit << this, is, fundamentally, "social media", as the recent maddox link amply explains. 1061399;1426903170;mircea_popescu;or the one before that. or i suppose most of his links. 1061400;1426903269;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-history/ 1061401;1426903331;asciilifeform;the head of cattle, taught by d3m0cr4cy111!!111!1 that he ought to have some kind of control over his stall, goes apeshit outside. 1061402;1426903340;asciilifeform;because now whole universe 'is' his stall 1061403;1426903350;asciilifeform;but this is a trivial observation. 1061404;1426903354;mircea_popescu;so it is. 1061405;1426903368;asciilifeform;but the less trivial one is that there no such thing as ownerless cattle 1061406;1426903390;mircea_popescu;this is not directl yobvious. 1061407;1426903391;asciilifeform;even an ox wandering loose in mumbai (the locals call'em 'brakes inspectors' on the road) - has owner 1061408;1426903426;asciilifeform;(the crown, who will go after me if i show up with a rifle and a kebeb grill ready to go) 1061409;1426903442;mircea_popescu;that's your owner, not the ox's. 1061410;1426903451;mircea_popescu;you will not be on trial for ox damaging, but for human misbehaving. 1061411;1426903470;asciilifeform;possibly some mix (i can think of a situation where it is precisely about ox damage) 1061412;1426903482;mircea_popescu;similarly in the recently invented "sex tourism" trials, you're not on trial for there bering a fgucked 12yo in thailand, but for there being a usian citizen that had some fun. 1061413;1426903496;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if it were about ox damage it'd be a fine. 1061414;1426903504;asciilifeform;well there, certainly. but i'd argue that usg implicitly takes ownership of the wild things here 1061415;1426903522;mircea_popescu;only as a result of having taken ownserhip of teh citizenry. 1061416;1426903524;asciilifeform;in that if obamitler wished, he could hunt the last panda, or fuck 12yo thai 1061417;1426903535;mircea_popescu;of course. because he's not a citizen. 1061418;1426903543;mircea_popescu;how did that inept quote go, "citizens ask for permission." 1061419;1426903548;asciilifeform;-subjects- 1061420;1426903559;asciilifeform;it went 'subjects as for permission, citizens something-or-other 1061421;1426903566;mircea_popescu;meanwhile somewhere else, http://40.media.tumblr.com/afd55aa5ad081e1c989b2a34a160cfeb/tumblr_mrn8l7cs7t1rmm9buo1_1280.jpg 1061422;1426903567;assbot; 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( http://bit.ly/1FOpnKN ) 1061423;1426903604;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, believe it or not it didn't. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-03-2015#1055604 1061424;1426903604;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 19:25:54; mircea_popescu: "Citizens ask for permission, expats ask for forgiveness" << maybe he should ask for a nailgun. 1061425;1426903633;asciilifeform;l0l! 1061426;1426903662;mircea_popescu;nubbins` hey, what;d you cost to make qntra business cards for a dozen ppl and ship em ? 1061427;1426903675;mircea_popescu;same design, name/surname, nick, gpg key on one side, qntra this that on the other ? 1061428;1426903736;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060974 << guy does not actually understand anything. 1061429;1426903736;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 22:48:21; trinque: you cannot interact with you 1061430;1426903737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00028516 = 17.5088 BTC [-] {2} 1061431;1426903761;mircea_popescu;he, superficially, has an autodidact's understanding of the basics. that means they are subtly broken. he then proceeds from there, and errors compound. 1061432;1426903767;mircea_popescu;soon enough he's holding a nonsense. 1061433;1426903820;mircea_popescu;kinda why people go to school : so they can be in the company of their betters (something us kids have serious mental issues with) where they can create this sort of braindamage, be bullied for it, fix it, and so end up sane. 1061434;1426903881;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060984 << penis better. especially if itends up larger. 1061435;1426903881;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 22:51:23; jurov: someone go grow a finger from yudkowski's dna and tell him you have the rest of his clone in cellar 1061436;1426904036;nubbins`;mircea_popescu say 600 bezzlars for a dozen people to get 250 cards each, design + shipping at actual cost 1061437;1426904054;nubbins`;(hand-printed bizniss cards for $50 per head, you say?!) 1061438;1426904088;nubbins`;contrast the economy of scale here to alf's $200 book ;( 1061439;1426904204;mircea_popescu;i can go for that as a qntra perk. you gonna be willing to keep the design and make more of the same if these folks run out / for new folks ? 1061440;1426904231;nubbins`;we index all our graphics & films, totally 1061441;1426904239;mircea_popescu;cool. so submit a nice design. 1061442;1426904266;mircea_popescu;im thinking cazalla bingoboingo thestringpuller danielpbarron right off the bat, cazalla lemme know who else should go in the magic dozen. 1061443;1426904299;nubbins`;any of the above who have particular ideas about how they want their cards to NOT look, best speak up 1061444;1426904351;danielpbarron;i like simple / white background black text sorta thing 1061445;1426904381;mircea_popescu;nubbins` : name/surname ; nick ; gpg/gpg on one face, dunno exactly what should be for qntra on the other. 1061446;1426904388;mircea_popescu;i guess it's time to come up with a byline for it hm. 1061447;1426904391;nubbins`;bunny rabbit 1061448;1426904402;mircea_popescu;you think ? pics usually make cards look cheap 1061449;1426904408;danielpbarron;^ ++ 1061450;1426904418;nubbins`;lel, i kid 1061451;1426904443;danielpbarron;i literally have a crate of business cards saved up 1061452;1426904450;mircea_popescu;later tell bingoboingo here is your very helpful trigger : ^ 1061453;1426904451;danielpbarron;i collect the things 1061454;1426904475;*;mircea_popescu pictures danielpbarron doing that thing with the cards in american psycho 1061455;1426904481;nubbins`;i actually need to print more for myself 1061456;1426904491;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bingoboingo here is your very helpful trigger : ^ 1061457;1426904491;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1061458;1426904491;danielpbarron;i don't think i've seen that movie 1061459;1426904502;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i never understood the concept of a "paper erection" until i got into this biz, ya know 1061460;1426904503;mircea_popescu;christian slater is almost hot. 1061461;1426904523;mircea_popescu;but the film could definitely have done with a lot more and a lot better nudity. 1061462;1426904529;nubbins`;now it's all flared nostrils & running fingertips over things 1061463;1426904532;danielpbarron;oh yeah, not some weird non-standard shape / fold-out w/e 1061464;1426904541;mircea_popescu;a showgirls style casual nudity meets american psycho casual psychopathology would rock. 1061465;1426904547;nubbins`;fold-outs 0/10 would not do 1061466;1426904554;danielpbarron;good. 1061467;1426904560;nubbins`;maybe black paper 1061468;1426904566;mircea_popescu;nubbins` noteven for ronald mc donald / gavin mcsatoshi / etc ? 1061469;1426904579;mircea_popescu;ah, my gold on black cards look awesome. 1061470;1426904581;nubbins`;puzzle or word search on the back maybe 1061471;1426904589;mircea_popescu;course, not so easy to pull it off, need just the right kinda asshole. 1061472;1426904597;nubbins`;we did some gold on black recently 1061473;1426904609;nubbins`;not sure if i have pics handy, but i know there's a couple cards downstairs 1061474;1426904629;nubbins`;actually, bird book has gold on black as well 1061475;1426904640;nubbins`;!s plough 1061476;1426904641;assbot;7 results for 'plough' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=plough 1061477;1426904649;mircea_popescu;hired another lawyer the other day, left him my card, then when we met socially later he was like... well the office tried to figure out wtf. first we thought those must be like mail codes of your country. but then that didn't make sense. so susie said you must be in porn. 1061478;1426904668;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/pxZ4arA.jpg 1061479;1426904669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOuR8e ) 1061480;1426904681;nubbins`;not quite the best shot to show it off, but yknow 1061481;1426904685;nubbins`;looks ballin 1061482;1426904692;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that gold looks more like bronze 1061483;1426904699;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not a gpg-enabled lawyer, i take it 1061484;1426904713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.0002943 = 3.1343 BTC [+] 1061485;1426904718;nubbins`;that's actually a pure gold base w/ some orange pigment added 1061486;1426904724;nubbins`;good eye on ya 8) 1061487;1426904737;mircea_popescu;o gawd, looking for stuff I r find... http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/extradited-by-my-rubber-ducklings.html 1061488;1426904738;assbot;Print Page - MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOv8bb ) 1061489;1426904746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not at that time. 1061490;1426904947;asciilifeform;who was it who had the steel businesscards. 1061491;1426904951;nubbins`;gross 1061492;1426904963;nubbins`;why not glitter? 1061493;1426904966;asciilifeform;nono 1061494;1426904980;nubbins`;or nettles 1061495;1426904980;asciilifeform;with actual cutouts. massive co2 laser. 1061496;1426905000;nubbins`;what am i gonna do with a steel business card 1061497;1426905019;asciilifeform;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ryw4r_eG--/18s0bpicjpxufjpg.jpg 1061498;1426905020;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOwkvg ) 1061499;1426905022;asciilifeform;^ this possibly 1061500;1426905074;nubbins`;HA 1061501;1426905082;nubbins`;ok, fair enough 1061502;1426905116;nubbins`;s.nsa cards w/ cardano pcb traces silkscreened in copper ink 1061503;1426905120;mircea_popescu;you know, there's this legend that actually happened of romanian mobster that got shot coming out of a restaurant 1061504;1426905132;mircea_popescu;except he was shotwith a .38 and he was carring money. so it didn't go through. 1061505;1426905133;nubbins`;50% transparent mask layer on top 1061506;1426905144;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i drew a pcb card for mircea_popescu half-seriously 1061507;1426905150;mircea_popescu;so... have a buncha steel business cards, make your own armor 1061508;1426905151;asciilifeform;(it's linked in a comment on his site iirc) 1061509;1426905169;nubbins`;it'd work 1061510;1426905180;asciilifeform;!s ppsh 1061511;1426905181;assbot;3 results for 'ppsh' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ppsh 1061512;1426905181;mircea_popescu;it did work. bullet didn't even make it through the whole ~200 leaves. 1061513;1426905185;mircea_popescu;polymer banknotes. 1061514;1426905226;nubbins`;asciilifeform the only material difference between one and the other is the substrate 1061515;1426905236;*;asciilifeform trying to find ancient thread re: drunken red army folks having a duel with submachineguns and blocked by greatcoats 1061516;1426905249;*;asciilifeform then remembered that the legend featured american 'thompson' brought on lend-lease 1061517;1426905333;asciilifeform;http://www.quicksprout.com/images/businesscards/officedesk.jpg 1061518;1426905334;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOxuXC ) 1061519;1426905385;asciilifeform;or simply picture a card with btc privkey 1061520;1426905396;asciilifeform;(funded just a bit) 1061521;1426905453;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if i remember correctly, usg is on record saying they lack the ability to input a printed gpg privkey. 1061522;1426905476;mircea_popescu;was in some court case or other during the great assault on private email providers of 2012-2013 1061523;1426905485;asciilifeform;iirc it was 'not sop therefore chew for us and feed into mouth or else' 1061524;1426905490;asciilifeform;lavabit case 1061525;1426905495;mircea_popescu;a yes. 1061526;1426905521;mircea_popescu;that had me for a chuckle, you know ? "too lazy to type it in, it's like characters and shit" 1061527;1426905534;mircea_popescu;then on the other line alf was going nuts about kbd emanations good for 20 meters even! 1061528;1426905573;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060994 << this is more of an infantilism than a defect. 1061529;1426905573;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 22:56:06; trinque: there's a mental defect where one considers himself to be an idea 1061530;1426905624;asciilifeform;let's have gedankenexperiment (is trinque still awake ?) 1061531;1426905700;nubbins`;was he ever :0 1061532;1426905702;asciilifeform;suppose a man were disassembled into components, sorted by atomic mass. then, next day, reassembled. answer - a) this cannot be done for Reasons b) he died and was replaced with soul-less copy c) he simply got paused and then resumed, will wonder where the day went but nothing else d) none of the above ? 1061533;1426905704;mircea_popescu;hey, did you know trauma is "dreaming" in german ? 1061534;1426905708;mircea_popescu;and kunts = art ? 1061535;1426905744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform allow me to answer that! 1061536;1426905774;mircea_popescu;One more dies one more lives, one baby cries One mother grieves... 1061537;1426905791;asciilifeform;this is an ancient mega-war, yes, i know. 1061538;1426905799;mircea_popescu;and now with music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI60crM-piE 1061539;1426905800;assbot;Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son Lyrics - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOzC1I ) 1061540;1426905815;mircea_popescu;possibly the best song of all time. 1061541;1426905927;mircea_popescu;DEFINITELY a better approach to the entire eliezer/potter bs than either of the proponents. 1061542;1426905949;mircea_popescu;plus it only takes ten minutes or so. 1061543;1426906050;nubbins`;kunts 1061544;1426906054;nubbins`;kunst! 1061545;1426906068;asciilifeform;kuntskammer 1061546;1426906087;mircea_popescu;nubbins` don't opress my convenient dyslexia! 1061547;1426906127;mircea_popescu;(there's a widely known, at least in europe, welt der kunst, world of art. /me had classmates going for a while that it simply means "wealth of cunts") 1061548;1426906138;nubbins`;;;google mommy and me are animals 1061549;1426906139;gribble;Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube: ; - Mommy & me rescue - Shamokin, PA Rescue Animals: ; Mommy & me rescue - Adopt a Pet: 1061550;1426906144;nubbins`;^ speaking of kunst 1061551;1426906175;nubbins`;if you wanna see some bizarre 1061552;1426906263;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i recall discussing that guy last year. 1061553;1426906272;nubbins`;nod 1061554;1426906282;nubbins`;i actually ran into this guy in berlin last summer, hey? 1061555;1426906291;nubbins`;(and his mother) 1061556;1426906325;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061025 << i suspect the importance of that is strictly local. ie, some club of idiots got owned by this concept specially constructed for their particular disabilities. 1061557;1426906325;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 23:06:34; nubbins`: and much realer than rololol's basilisk 1061558;1426906346;decimation;asciilifeform: re: asciilifeform: presumably they keel over somewhere else, in a designated place < cats are well known for anticipating their deaths and crawling up some inaccessible hole beforehand to die 1061559;1426906357;asciilifeform;incidentally, the 'basilisk' spoken of is not the usual mythological one, 1061560;1426906362;decimation;probably some kind of protection instinct 1061561;1426906364;asciilifeform;but the one featured in the short story 'blit' 1061562;1426906365;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know what i'd like to see, a reality show of this guy and athene the best paladin in the world (with his mother) 1061563;1426906368;mircea_popescu;french vs german! 1061564;1426906382;decimation;Ich moechte gern ein Eis bitte 1061565;1426906398;asciilifeform;decimation: i always mistrusted this explanation. beasts do not need to sense their deaths to turn up expired in some inaccessible place. 1061566;1426906401;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLYrFR9RT_U 1061567;1426906402;assbot;Best Paladin of The World pwning nubs on My Heart Will Go On from Celine Dion (ATHENE #1) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOCdsp ) 1061568;1426906404;nubbins`;o.O 1061569;1426906418;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061032 << for my peace of mind, what do you think qt is ? 1061570;1426906418;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 23:07:43; nubbins`: unless you're bringing quantum tunneling into it 8) 1061571;1426906422;asciilifeform;they could easily go there every day, and simply fail to come out 1061572;1426906441;*;decimation doesn't own cats, but has heard several anecdotes 1061573;1426906457;nubbins`;mircea_popescu just checking to see if anyone was paying attention 8) 1061574;1426906462;mircea_popescu;nubbins` http://trilema.com/2012/cel-mai-bun-paladin-din-the-world/ 1061575;1426906463;assbot;Cel mai bun paladin din the world. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOCvj4 ) 1061576;1426906471;mircea_popescu;nubbins` but nevertheless... 1061577;1426906530;mircea_popescu;anyway : quantum tunneling is the observed property of quantum "particles" to interact at a distance without ever interacting with whatever's separating their first position from the second. 1061578;1426906541;mircea_popescu;this is most annoying when for instance electrons ignore dielectrics 1061579;1426906548;nubbins`;that's quantum entanglement, no? 1061580;1426906551;mircea_popescu;no. 1061581;1426906563;nubbins`;quantum tunneling is when i go outside but skip the door 1061582;1426906567;mircea_popescu;quantum entanglement is the property of two apparently distinct "particles" to share more than they should. 1061583;1426906605;mircea_popescu;as a rule of thumb, the first occurs over tiny distances, the 2nd is distance-invariant 1061584;1426906641;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yes, something like that. as if you could only be right before or right after the door but not in between. 1061585;1426906643;nubbins`;this is all the sort of thing i understand while reading it but don't really copy it over to long-term storage 1061586;1426906646;mircea_popescu;depends a lot on your energy. 1061587;1426906649;nubbins`;yeah 1061588;1426906660;mircea_popescu;but then again in qm, your existence is not so distinct from your energy. 1061589;1426906676;mircea_popescu;how did that line go, 1061590;1426906682;asciilifeform;the long-distance one behaves exclusively like a pair of synched rng. 1061591;1426906684;mircea_popescu;;;google money over power, power over money 1061592;1426906684;gribble;WAREN G & SISSEL - THE RAPSODY PRINCE IGOR - YouTube: ; Warren G - Prince Igor Lyrics | MetroLyrics: ; JWTM – Money Over Power Lyrics | Genius: 1061593;1426906769;asciilifeform;the short-distance (tunnel) on the other hand is one of the weapons by which 'moore's law' is dying - http://www.iue.tuwien.ac.at/phd/entner/node23.html 1061594;1426906770;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODLm0 ) 1061595;1426906848;asciilifeform;http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/barr.html << for folks who like to play with the numbers 1061596;1426906850;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOE1BN ) 1061597;1426906861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite. 1061598;1426906868;mircea_popescu;just about at the 5ish nm level it takes over iirc 1061599;1426906951;decimation;asciilifeform: re: conversation about neighborhood isp: turns out there is a town about an hour away from you that is attempting to provide its own gigabit fiber service: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-startup-offering-gigabit-fiber-is-expanding-to-a-second-comcast-dominated-city 1061600;1426906952;assbot;A Startup Offering Gigabit Fiber Is Expanding to a Second Comcast-Dominated City | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOEpQt ) 1061601;1426906978;mircea_popescu;decimation a startup != a town tho neh ? 1061602;1426906985;asciilifeform;was about to say. 1061603;1426907000;asciilifeform;show me a town where anyone freely digs up the roads. 1061604;1426907005;asciilifeform;not even in africa. 1061605;1426907023;decimation;no if you read the article, the 'startup' is actually a division of tucows, the domainame freeware site 1061606;1426907037;decimation;and they are merely 'operating' the network after westminster, md builds it 1061607;1426907069;decimation;" "We want to blow this thing up, and we want disruptive services at disruptive pricing," Robert Wack, Westminster's city council president, told me. "We've got Comcast and its usual suite of services, Verizon DSL, with its patchy service areas, and dish and satellite services. Nobody is happy with any of it, and none of it has the capacity we need to take this city into the future."" 1061608;1426907108;asciilifeform;verizomcast is doomed to play 'bad cop' to the 'good cop' of usgnet 1061609;1426907113;asciilifeform;(or whatever name it ends up taking) 1061610;1426907157;decimation;apparently tucows is on usg's shitlist because it won't play ball 1061611;1426907172;decimation;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/inside-the-notorious-canadian-internet-company-targeted-by-the-us-government " As previously mentioned, Tucows landed on the US Trade Representative’s annual list of notorious markets due to the company’s practice of not responding to takedown requests from companies alleging that Tucows registers domains for sites selling illegal goods. This is despite the fact that a domain name registrar has 1061612;1426907173;assbot;Inside the 'Notorious' Canadian Internet Company Targeted by the US Government | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOFnfA ) 1061613;1426907174;decimation;essentially no say in the content of the websites on its roster, Bunton told me. " 1061614;1426907252;asciilifeform;idea is that they 'have the choice to surrender to usg' and didn't make it 1061615;1426907309;decimation;yeah I guess that's the idea, but it seems dubious that usg will tolerate such behavior 1061616;1426907320;decimation;especially when it has its own blessed monopolists 1061617;1426907442;nubbins`;wonder will the town wait to be sued before giving up subscriber info 1061618;1426907473;asciilifeform;lol 'giving up' when isp (and credit card co) pipe it to usg in milliseconds when subscriber pays 1061619;1426907482;asciilifeform;and continuously after 1061620;1426907499;nubbins`;:D 1061621;1426907536;nubbins`;if i wanna see a card trick, i don't want you to hold the deck face-up 1061622;1426907570;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9GJPoMs30E << historical interest 1061623;1426907572;assbot;Guillotine in the basement of German Reichstag - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bf9tCJ ) 1061624;1426907577;nubbins`;man, i remember tucows from back when i had to buy a book to use the internet 1061625;1426907609;decimation;asciilifeform: I don't get why we don't still use the guillotine 1061626;1426907614;decimation;seems pretty fast and efficient 1061627;1426907641;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2015#967169 1061628;1426907641;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 00:39:01; *: asciilifeform has been enjoying 'Seeing Justice Done. The Age of Spectacular Capital Punishment in France.' (Paul Friedland.) 1061629;1426907655;asciilifeform;^ described, among other very interesting things, the decline & fall of the guillotine 1061630;1426907680;asciilifeform;even while it was still used, was hidden behind closed door for most of the 20th c 1061631;1426907694;asciilifeform;because of the fundamental duplicity of totalitarian state 1061632;1426907706;asciilifeform;(must keep two sets of books, can't show publicly how it works) 1061633;1426907727;asciilifeform;just as 'civilized' countries today punish folks behind closed doors 1061634;1426907768;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772419 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772420 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772421 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772429 1061635;1426907768;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2014 17:35:40; asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics' 1061636;1426907768;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2014 17:36:01; asciilifeform: when usa was a techno-power, electric chair was king 1061637;1426907768;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2014 17:36:20; asciilifeform: banana republics, soviet world - shooting 1061638;1426907768;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2014 17:39:58; asciilifeform: so from this it follows that the current ceremony (injection with not-quite-poisons in an elaborate pseudo-medical setting) also symbolizes something about modern usa, re: national character. 1061639;1426907824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00029193 = 1.2261 BTC [-] 1061640;1426907833;decimation;re: electric chair < my understanding is that it was mainly a marketing gimmick for electricity 1061641;1426907858;nubbins`;i once saw thomas edison electrocute an elephant 1061642;1426907863;nubbins`;well, not in person 1061643;1426907875;asciilifeform;famous film 1061644;1426907898;decimation;asciilifeform: note that keeping the execution behind closed doors greatly diminishes its intended effect to encourage the others 1061645;1426907907;asciilifeform;the books was actually about this 1061646;1426907916;asciilifeform;specifically, how the purpose changed 1061647;1426907923;asciilifeform;and wtf it even was originally. 1061648;1426907928;asciilifeform;highly recommended. 1061649;1426907943;decimation;thanks for the recommendation. 1061650;1426907965;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsy_%28elephant%29 1061651;1426907966;assbot;Topsy (elephant) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOIRip ) 1061652;1426907966;nubbins`;:o 1061653;1426908011;decimation;asciilifeform: my hypothesis re: hidden execution in the US was that those who wanted to end all executions encouraged it so that they could then argue that it doesn't have a 'discouragement' effect on crime 1061654;1426908034;nubbins`;what a bummer 1061655;1426908048;decimation;just like the same ones burden the death penalty with layers of bureaucracy and then claim that it's too unwieldy to use 1061656;1426908092;mircea_popescu;!up ponyslaystation 1061657;1426908112;mircea_popescu;<decimation> no if you read the article, the 'startup' is actually a division of tucows, the domainame freeware site << you know twocows i actually like. 1061658;1426908151;mircea_popescu;o.O 1061659;1426908160;mircea_popescu;and obviously, the usg doesn't like it. how surprising. 1061660;1426908168;*;decimation has fond memories of downloading warez from tucows back in the day 1061661;1426908190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95950 @ 0.00028191 = 27.0493 BTC [-] {2} 1061662;1426908196;asciilifeform;aha 1061663;1426908198;asciilifeform;it and simtel 1061664;1426908203;mircea_popescu; idea is that they 'have the choice to surrender to usg' and didn't make it << myeah. they gotta be supported. 1061665;1426908211;mircea_popescu;generally, any friend of the usg is an enemy of the world. 1061666;1426908231;decimation;asciilifeform: did you get those little paper catalogs of shareware which you could order on diskettes? 1061667;1426908240;asciilifeform;never got paper, no 1061668;1426908243;asciilifeform;(where? lol) 1061669;1426908255;mircea_popescu;i did, actually. 1061670;1426908260;mircea_popescu;even got a diskette of fractal programs. 1061671;1426908381;*;mircea_popescu comes from a country where "warez" has no particular meaning. you mean software, right ? 1061672;1426908414;decimation;yes, with the meaning shaded with the implication that the software is unlicensed 1061673;1426908423;decimation;although in this case it was shareware generally 1061674;1426908522;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/2a63eaed64b2fba30ca3a958c905b813/tumblr_mw02jsxq8T1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg << study. 1061675;1426908523;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfd6bH ) 1061676;1426908884;decimation;linked from ascii's youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20 < Wehrmacht soldaten describing their point of view, and pride 1061677;1426908885;assbot;WW2 justified by former German soldiers - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfej2Q ) 1061678;1426908947;decimation;forward to 2:57ff to see the old dude scold some chick about 'war crimes' 1061679;1426909203;asciilifeform;from guillotine thread: a: 'I want it, is it for sale?' 1061680;1426909216;asciilifeform;b: 'Build your own, so you too can become a state. Then build a prison to house it, and start capturing people, accusing them of shit, and holding them for ransom. Print lots of worthless IOUs and start paying for stuff with them, and extorting money from your neighbors to pay you with your own IOUs every year a tax on their land, or you will imprison and guilotine them. Use your growing wealth to stockpile more and more we 1061681;1426909216;asciilifeform;apons and back up your operation, because you're making more an more enemies, but that's okay, you have all the high tech weapons. Start passing laws to prohibit others from owning anything more than a rifle or shotgun, while you buy gunships and tanks and jets and cluster bombs. Hirer very intelligent people who are ready to sell out humanity in exchange for trinket amounts of wealth to fatten their own pockets. Setup c 1061682;1426909217;asciilifeform;ourts and judges to pass laws to forbid everyone around you from killing, lying, enslaving or imprisoning people, and stealing, but make it all legal for you under different names. Congratulations, you have just founded a country,also known as a state! Go to war with other states, to get rid of surplus wealth and attempt to grab more land to tax more people, when you find an opportunity that they are weaker than you. Secret 1061683;1426909224;asciilifeform;ly assasisnate foreign leaders to destablilize small countries around you, and run drug running operations to generate even more revenue for more black projects, and tell your people its for their own security. Waterboard and torture your enemies and call them terrorists.' 1061684;1426909230;asciilifeform;(dropped here for the lulzrecord) 1061685;1426909280;decimation;heh 1061686;1426909575;decimation;asciilifeform: not to mention you gotta setup a bureacracy so the people can grovel before it for trinkets: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/02/28/massachusetts-bureaucracy-gets-1-in-13-households-to-come-in-and-beg/ 1061687;1426909576;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Massachusetts bureaucracy gets 1 in 13 households to come in and beg ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfh5oL ) 1061688;1426909817;mircea_popescu;in mass' defense, it's really merely providing a very in demand service 1061689;1426909829;mircea_popescu;1 in 2 households are looking for something to beg and someplace to do it. 1061690;1426909840;decimation;heh true 1061691;1426909859;mircea_popescu;"And those workers are different from the ones who decide whether or not to give out a free" 1061692;1426909865;mircea_popescu;why exactly are these idiots called "workers" ? 1061693;1426909873;decimation;well, they get paid 1061694;1426909876;mircea_popescu;people object to slave hard drives being called slave hard drives, in spite of the accuracy 1061695;1426909885;mircea_popescu;nobody cares shitheads are called workers ? 1061696;1426909902;mircea_popescu;you, if your paycheck comes from the governent, YOU ARE NOT A WORKER. 1061697;1426909911;mircea_popescu;work is when you do something useful. you're a fricitoner not a fucking worker. 1061698;1426909941;decimation;well, that net catches a good portion of the us when considered in its wide sense 1061699;1426909948;mircea_popescu;i'da made the comment there, but apparently greenspun doesn't know how to comments. 1061700;1426910012;decimation;as it is, only 58% of usians "work" http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm 1061701;1426910013;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BfiSdm ) 1061702;1426910032;decimation;almost 59%! thanks obama! 1061703;1426910083;mircea_popescu;honestly i don't think this has ever been different. 1061704;1426910096;mircea_popescu;in your classical "ancient tribe in the caves" about 2/3 of the tribe did something. 1061705;1426910111;decimation;well, it excludes the quite legitimate work of raising children 1061706;1426910115;mircea_popescu;what's different is a bunch of ideological spew clouding the issues. 1061707;1426910160;mircea_popescu;decimation other than the genetics of intelligence, the children is another way i get conservatives enraged. 1061708;1426910175;mircea_popescu;as far as i'm concerned, giving a mother a year off at childbirth is perfectly reasonable. 1061709;1426910193;decimation;why wouldn't a conservative agree? 1061710;1426910195;mircea_popescu;people go nuts. as if babies are required to come from the stork, and for free, because htey're wrapped up too tightly to consider fucking. 1061711;1426910205;mircea_popescu;decimation FREE MONEY TO NIGGER WHORES!!!?!?!?!?! 1061712;1426910216;decimation;well, there is the question of 'who pays' 1061713;1426910220;mircea_popescu;at least that's what it usually reduces to. 1061714;1426910232;decimation;but it certainly seems like society ought to consider paying for young families over old codgers 1061715;1426910234;mircea_popescu;decimation imo the most defensible expense in the state budget. 1061716;1426910237;mircea_popescu;way before "education" 1061717;1426910293;asciilifeform;meat production? 1061718;1426910298;mircea_popescu;i dun think there's anything that can be done in a whole decade of "education" that's as valuable as kid having mother at home first year. 1061719;1426910303;decimation;there is something weird about the us, in that the grandparents often think that their responisibilities end after seeing the children off to college 1061720;1426910313;decimation;instead of endowing the next generation 1061721;1426910328;mircea_popescu;decimation generally ro families reproduce once grandparents go to pension. 1061722;1426910344;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY the same thing, except state doesn't pay for mother's year off, pays for gramma's years off. 1061723;1426910371;decimation;well, paying for young families has the further advantage of being a limited-time affair 1061724;1426910398;mircea_popescu;it's not even paying for families per se. 1061725;1426910410;mircea_popescu;it's just, children are a cost everyone seems to wish to externalize. 1061726;1426910411;mircea_popescu;glwt... 1061727;1426910423;decimation;yes, agreed 1061728;1426910447;decimation;a few generations ago it was considered everyone's job (in the family tree) to assist with the young children 1061729;1426910477;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the revolutionary french actually put it in the code that pregnant women may steal food off market displays. 1061730;1426910530;mircea_popescu;but, in turkey, at the height of the syrian refugee crisis, i numerously observed various people selling food gifting items to pregnant syrian women. 1061731;1426910534;mircea_popescu;the idea's widespread. 1061732;1426910581;decimation;there is some of that in the us, in a fossilized way. sometimes pregnant women are given priority for parking, for instance 1061733;1426910583;mircea_popescu;(put the husbands in the most visibly awkward position too - once that hand to chest gesture's done they can't refuse, but on the other hand... their wife's sexuality was just referenced by these half-satan pigdogs. was pretty lulzy to observe) 1061734;1426910630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57350 @ 0.00028252 = 16.2025 BTC [+] {2} 1061735;1426910663;mircea_popescu;which doth mean that even across religious conflict, the pregnant woman trumps the imam. imagine that! 1061736;1426910689;decimation;heh. no one can shrug off their own humanity 1061737;1426910700;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure that's what it is. 1061738;1426910751;mircea_popescu; There are no limits to male hypocrisy in this matter. No doubt there are moments when man’s sexual immunities are made acutely humiliating to him. When the terrible moment of birth arrives, its supreme importance and its superhuman effort and peril, in which the father has no part, dwarf him into the meanest insignificance: he slinks out of the way of the humblest petticoat, happy if he be poor enough to be pushed o 1061739;1426910751;mircea_popescu;ut of the house to outface his ignominy by drunken rejoicings. But when the crisis is over he takes his revenge, swaggering as the breadwinner, and speaking of Woman’s “sphere” with condescension, even with chivalry, as if the kitchen and the nursery were less important than the office in the city. When his swagger is exhausted he drivels into erotic poetry or sentimental uxoriousness; and the Tennysonian King Ar 1061740;1426910752;mircea_popescu;thur posing at Guinevere becomes Don Quixote grovelling before Dulcinea. You must admit that here Nature beats Comedy out of the field: the wildest hominist or feminist farce is insipid after the most commonplace “slice of life.” 1061741;1426910759;mircea_popescu;i am rather persuaded by shaw there. 1061742;1426910767;mircea_popescu;quite out of the field. 1061743;1426910827;mircea_popescu;the us equivalent, of course, being mammie to rhett butler : "theis ain't a man's job, buzz off." 1061744;1426910965;mircea_popescu;http://edge.org/conversation/the-normal-well-tempered-mind << fwiw, i am still not convinced that the electric neuron is not the correct approach. the problem is that it should be stateful. i am half tempted to model what happens if you run a grid of these with say 255 states per. 1061745;1426910967;assbot;THE NORMAL WELL-TEMPERED MIND | Edge.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1BfmpIX ) 1061746;1426910967;decimation;there was a time when the husband could appropriately wait outside to receive the new little one after the moment came 1061747;1426911086;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061067 << lol he's such a gadfly this guy :D 1061748;1426911086;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 23:15:14; jurov: lol "we don't know what is a consciousness? let's say it is composed of many of itself" 1061749;1426911101;thestringpuller;anyone watching the friedcat story developing 1061750;1426911115;mircea_popescu;jurov you ever considered doing stand-up comedy ? something in the stewart vein mebbe ? 1061751;1426911127;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller sort-of. why / 1061752;1426911301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.0002912 = 2.781 BTC [+] 1061753;1426911427;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061138 << well, something like that. "what do you mean by this nonsensical question you purport to be asking" 1061754;1426911427;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 23:46:09; asciilifeform: the answer to 'is the copy you' is 'shutthefuckup you're asking a broken question' 1061755;1426911482;mircea_popescu;but that aside : you will note that if i make a bitwise copy of a running system on anothjer system, eiteher will continue independently. if i then set the second on fire, the first is unharmed. whether the 2nd "Thinks" that "it" = "the first" is harmed oir not is irrelevant. 1061756;1426911500;mircea_popescu;that's the animism here, the naive proposition that harm upon the wax statuette will visit the subject. 1061757;1426911504;mircea_popescu;which is lulzy. 1061758;1426911560;asciilifeform;the lulz comes from operating using undefined thing 1061759;1426911570;asciilifeform;as in a proof where divided by 0 1061760;1426911615;mircea_popescu;to me the lulz comes from the similarity with idiocy, in spite of all the pretense. 1061761;1426911627;mircea_popescu;the same sort of thing as "well... french nobles had lice. just like the peasants. and died of tb" 1061762;1426911642;mircea_popescu;"so then what is this nobility again ?" "oh, their blood was a differentcolor." "ic." 1061763;1426911673;mircea_popescu;"rationalists" indistinguishable from flatearthists, except, perhaps, by the color of their guts ? sign me up. 1061764;1426911728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4531 @ 0.00028047 = 1.2708 BTC [-] 1061765;1426911750;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061143 << except less is, of course, more. 1061766;1426911750;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 23:51:31; Adlai: well, you do become 'less yourself', until there's nothing left... although it's a more complex process than just cells dying 1061767;1426911769;mircea_popescu;you become more like your "true self", which just happens to be dead. 1061768;1426911810;mircea_popescu;no one would dispute the true lenin is in the transhumanist facility at dark pink plaza right ? 1061769;1426911823;asciilifeform;mega-l0lz 1061770;1426911855;asciilifeform;'Ленин жил, Ленин жив, Ленин будет жить!' (TM) 1061771;1426911872;mircea_popescu;ikr? 1061772;1426911905;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> you become more like your "true self", which just happens to be dead. <<< oh ho ho ho, i like this 1061773;1426911911;mircea_popescu;;) 1061774;1426911917;nubbins`;what an anomaly to be wiggling about!! 1061775;1426911924;mircea_popescu;isn't it ? 1061776;1426911931;nubbins`;christ, can't wait for it to stop 1061777;1426911932;mircea_popescu;that's why you get sleep paralysis. but it doesn'ty hold. 1061778;1426911934;nubbins`;get some fuckin rest 1061779;1426911935;mircea_popescu;well... at least not at first. 1061780;1426911964;nubbins`;ahh, that's rich 1061781;1426911987;decimation;re: genetics of intelligence < the post makes a good point, in that there's nobody who can tell a story about how some genes 'cause' intelligence. But that doesn't really address the observation that when you give a test to ethnic groups A&B, the resulting distributions are different. 1061782;1426912001;asciilifeform;and the twin studies - happened. 1061783;1426912003;mircea_popescu;decimation why would you expect it addresses that ? 1061784;1426912024;mircea_popescu;it also doesn't address this : http://36.media.tumblr.com/a3c8b86ae62f828e29f0cc2f7becb8c5/tumblr_mvfml07JnV1sgpxs6o1_1280.jpg 1061785;1426912025;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfqz3x ) 1061786;1426912026;asciilifeform;!s stupidity heritable 1061787;1426912027;assbot;1 results for 'stupidity heritable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stupidity+heritable 1061788;1426912027;mircea_popescu;among other things. 1061789;1426912047;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l where this photo from ? 1061790;1426912060;nubbins`;the singularity 1061791;1426912063;mircea_popescu;oh, private genetics research lab. 1061792;1426912092;mircea_popescu;(there's this entire subculture of [mostly white] men that aim to raise other peopel's children) 1061793;1426912103;asciilifeform;fetish ? 1061794;1426912110;mircea_popescu;im not sure that's an adequate term. 1061795;1426912120;decimation;cuckoldry? 1061796;1426912133;mircea_popescu;the behaviour is not so much different from whatever, altruism. speech. etc. 1061797;1426912147;mircea_popescu;decimation i suppose technically. 1061798;1426912159;mircea_popescu;tho by now that's migrated closer to a personal relationship. 1061799;1426912167;mircea_popescu;less dramatically, people adopt all the time. 1061800;1426912206;nubbins`;aka the double cuckold 1061801;1426912220;decimation;and always have 1061802;1426912225;mircea_popescu;at any rate : expecting human behaviour to be addressed by genetics is a little like expecting food to be discussed by chemistry. 1061803;1426912246;asciilifeform;^ ahahaha there we have it 1061804;1426912252;mircea_popescu;some attempts will be made, but srsly... whadda ya want. shit's hard and chemistry has other stuff to do. 1061805;1426912259;asciilifeform;can still explain the behaviour of turing's apple with chemistry 1061806;1426912273;mircea_popescu;for some definitions of explain. 1061807;1426912285;asciilifeform;the most interesting fact about it - absolutely 1061808;1426912298;mircea_popescu;that's the thing : any attempt to explain behaviour by genetics ends up bending the notion of "explain" the fuck out of place 1061809;1426912302;mircea_popescu;this is damaging to the explainer. 1061810;1426912351;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but maybe the apples made him gay ? 1061811;1426912375;asciilifeform;thinking of the kcn apple 1061812;1426912379;mircea_popescu;i know. 1061813;1426912393;mircea_popescu;but wouldn't you agree that had the apples made him gay, THAT would be the most interesting thing about them ? 1061814;1426912417;asciilifeform;sure, let's walk with that 1061815;1426912420;asciilifeform;what do we get 1061816;1426912426;mircea_popescu;we get that fuckall. 1061817;1426912449;decimation;well, we have a warning to others 1061818;1426912460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00028943 = 15.1227 BTC [+] {2} 1061819;1426912462;nubbins`;eat not thine apple 1061820;1426912472;nubbins`;i developed an allergy to apple skins 1061821;1426912477;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we have a hidden and unjustified jump here 1061822;1426912478;nubbins`;sucks, i like apples ;/ 1061823;1426912490;asciilifeform;-some- behaviour is demonstrably -heritable- 1061824;1426912504;asciilifeform;not same as 'behaviour can be explained [in total] by genetics' 1061825;1426912514;nubbins`;didn't they retroactively expunge turing's homosexuality conviction within the past couple years 1061826;1426912562;mircea_popescu;well so then. 1061827;1426912577;mircea_popescu;"to explain" normally means, "all of it". 1061828;1426912635;asciilifeform;in that sense hardly anything has ever been explained. 1061829;1426912643;mircea_popescu;once copulation explained pregnancy, that was it , you know ? 1061830;1426912648;mircea_popescu;well... 1061831;1426912673;nubbins`;took me til age 24 before it was explained that 1+1=2 1061832;1426912678;nubbins`;and even that... the axioms 1061833;1426912684;nubbins`;only goes down so far 1061834;1426912694;asciilifeform;nubbins` owns the complete r&w 'principia' ? 1061835;1426912725;nubbins`;covered sections in various number theory courses 1061836;1426912797;decimation;mircea_popescu: "pregnancy comes from copulation" is a fairly workable theory 1061837;1426912805;nubbins`;worst rabbit hole re:math was one winter eve i found myself thoroughly intoxicated at a party i'd wandered across 1061838;1426912823;nubbins`;turned out to be the 60th bday of this philosophy prof at local uni 1061839;1426912839;nubbins`;left the house ~4 hours later w/ several tomes on the philosophy of mathematics 1061840;1426912901;mircea_popescu;decimation quite a ways ahead of any genetic explanations for intelligence on tap 1061841;1426912917;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the differential of quality between the definitions of pregnant and intelligent. 1061842;1426912932;asciilifeform;of several key types of stupidity - as solid as any explaination in e.g., electronics 1061843;1426912942;nubbins`;anyway, principia, smth like ~100 pages into volume ii before they finish the proof?! 1061844;1426912953;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the genetic explanation of stupidity is certainly not in dispute here. 1061845;1426912961;mircea_popescu;what, down sindrome ? that's uncontroversial as it gets. 1061846;1426912964;mircea_popescu;the other end of the scale tho... 1061847;1426912965;asciilifeform;not even speaking of trisomies etc 1061848;1426912973;mircea_popescu;note that my observation about where the gaussian's bound is not idle. 1061849;1426912976;mircea_popescu;it connects to this. 1061850;1426912977;asciilifeform;but of what in the english world is usually called 'shitflessness' etc 1061851;1426912986;asciilifeform;*shiftlessness 1061852;1426912988;mircea_popescu;not very visible, but yes, whole spittoon 1061853;1426913076;nubbins`;i feel shiftlessness is much more a product of upbringing 1061854;1426913086;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the twin studies -happened- 1061855;1426913092;asciilifeform;can't magick them away 1061856;1426913093;mircea_popescu;but he feels. 1061857;1426913097;asciilifeform;and, notably, no one ever tried. 1061858;1426913099;nubbins`;^ strongly, even! 1061859;1426913106;mircea_popescu;are you saying the whippets are no no2 ? 1061860;1426913112;asciilifeform;l0l 1061861;1426913142;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, re twin studies : they're great because best we got 1061862;1426913148;mircea_popescu;not because word of god, so to speak. 1061863;1426913161;asciilifeform;but state of the art, which has to be dealt with as such 1061864;1426913165;mircea_popescu;no contest. 1061865;1426913175;asciilifeform;and not as 'lala never heard of this, so must not be relevant' 1061866;1426913185;mircea_popescu;but that is an argument to sink a competing theory with, 1061867;1426913191;mircea_popescu;it does not work to sink skepticism. 1061868;1426913207;asciilifeform;skepticism ought to happily bob about, it doesn't need to sink 1061869;1426913207;decimation;of course not, but the skeptic is still informed 1061870;1426913225;mircea_popescu;yeah, skepticism will never sink, and if it does, brainbox' flooded. 1061871;1426913286;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the issue : a plethora of persuasive arguments can be made starting with genetics and ending with behaviours. however, the most commonly encountered ones are neither persuasive 1061872;1426913291;mircea_popescu;nor all that intelligent or informed. 1061873;1426913342;asciilifeform;what do we do next, the 'commonly encountered' variety of physics? number theory? 1061874;1426913343;mircea_popescu;and in particular the race -> intelligence one has, in my experience so far, about a thousand times more often worked to illuminate the idiocy of the proponent than say anything about its intended topic. 1061875;1426913378;mircea_popescu;(and yes intelligence is, by and large, a human behaviour. it's not a fucking identity.) 1061876;1426913390;mircea_popescu;same difference as between being a doctor and practicing medicine. 1061877;1426913419;asciilifeform;naggum had a nifty piece on this fine point 1061878;1426913422;asciilifeform;but i've misplaced it 1061879;1426913430;mircea_popescu;i like naggum's points. 1061880;1426913449;asciilifeform;it won't run away. whoever wants, can find... 1061881;1426913540;mircea_popescu;but to belabour the point : one of the principal reasons "measuring iq" as it were height is so ridiculous, is because nobody has yet had an off day for height. 1061882;1426913541;nubbins`;all i'm arguing is that stupid people have kids, and their kids are given stupid food and provided with stupid stimulation and forced to interact mostly with their stupid parents and their stupid friends 1061883;1426913554;mircea_popescu;im normally 6"2 but i woke with a headache and im only 4"10 1061884;1426913554;decimation;whatever the causality between 'genes' and 'intelligence' might be, the story is shrouded under layers of ignorance, and it is thus good to be humble on the subject 1061885;1426913560;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: strength is better analogy than height 1061886;1426913563;nubbins`;if you think genetic predisposition plays a bigger part than whether you're surrounded by idiocy in your formative years, well... 1061887;1426913567;asciilifeform;very simple to have an 'off day' for strength 1061888;1426913585;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that won't fucking do anything. ANYTHING. you are to be traced to lucy, the stupidest chimp that ever lived. 1061889;1426913602;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but strength, you wiull notice, is VERY capped at the top. 1061890;1426913610;mircea_popescu;we don't see that many people carrying skyscrapers around. 1061891;1426913619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16838 @ 0.0002912 = 4.9032 BTC [+] 1061892;1426913626;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: greater dynamic range, sure 1061893;1426913630;asciilifeform;abundantly obvious 1061894;1426913630;mircea_popescu;is it ? 1061895;1426913635;decimation;nubbins`: folks who have looked into the matter tend to disagree 1061896;1426913645;nubbins`;decimation your logic has no place here 1061897;1426913651;asciilifeform;incidentally, my (i don't exclusively claim it..) myelin impedance matching hypothesis - is testable. 1061898;1426913663;mircea_popescu;it's not bad, tho perhaps not directly intelligence, 1061899;1426913666;mircea_popescu;certainly related. 1061900;1426913667;decimation;asciilifeform: reaction times? 1061901;1426913681;mircea_popescu;iirc i said then, i mostly measure intelligence in person by derived units, such as reaction speeds. 1061902;1426913681;asciilifeform;think analogy: picture a number of clocks 1061903;1426913694;asciilifeform;complicated mechanical clocks, all quite alike, but large enough to admit some sand 1061904;1426913696;asciilifeform;and still run 1061905;1426913697;asciilifeform;sorta. 1061906;1426913710;asciilifeform;now vary how much sand in the gears. 1061907;1426913723;asciilifeform;very loose analogy for the myelin matching thing 1061908;1426913727;decimation;http://iqpersonalitygenius.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-decline-in-general-intelligence.html 1061909;1426913728;assbot;Intelligence, Personality and Genius: The decline in general intelligence estimated from a meta-analysis of the slowing of simple reaction time ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfx5Hq ) 1061910;1426913760;asciilifeform;incidentally the 'sand in the gears' hypothesis has a name 1061911;1426913762;asciilifeform;'big G' 1061912;1426913775;asciilifeform;or rather 'general fitness factor' 1061913;1426913786;asciilifeform;i forget who first described it 1061914;1426913797;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061162 << ftr, this "qualified" does exactly nothing. i dunno who thinks themselves qualified in the topic. 1061915;1426913797;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 23:54:02; nubbins`: there's a large chunk of the book that could be misidentified as schizo by the unqualified observer 1061916;1426913807;asciilifeform;but it adds up to, overall, taller/healthier/more decisive/intelligent in whatever sense / stronger / etc 1061917;1426913811;asciilifeform;because - less 'sand'. 1061918;1426913821;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and blonder. 1061919;1426913824;asciilifeform;l0l 1061920;1426913846;asciilifeform;'your mileage may vary' 1061921;1426913909;asciilifeform;at any rate, it was a hypothesis, and i only know of any support for a restricted version of it 1061922;1426913920;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061169 << you know this could make some pretty decent technomagic folklovestories ? 1061923;1426913920;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 23:54:55; asciilifeform: and then mircea_popescu walks in with a '45 and asks which one to shoot 1061924;1426913936;mircea_popescu;chick falls in love with geek, he takes her home and tells her to fuck any toy in the lab except this one, 1061925;1426913942;mircea_popescu;so of course she does, so now there's a copy, 1061926;1426913951;mircea_popescu;davai zdreanta desdemona etc. 1061927;1426913952;asciilifeform;but it threatens to make some logical sense based on the tiny size of the 'phase space' of 'healthy/intelligent/strong' vs a world of possible organism, living and dead, which is none of these 1061928;1426913964;asciilifeform;(recall the genetic algorithm discussions, and basic theory of mutation overall) 1061929;1426913975;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on my own guesswork it's a present but minor factor. 1061930;1426914002;mircea_popescu;think about women, your head thinks about women much easier/better. general fitness factor : big tits, tall, clear eyes, wide hips, etc etc. 1061931;1426914004;mircea_popescu;intelligence ? 1061932;1426914030;mircea_popescu;veheheheeery vaguely related. 1061933;1426914185;decimation;the intelligent one survived long enough to be presented 1061934;1426914226;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1061935;1426914238;mircea_popescu;in some circumstances lack of intelligence is a distinctive fitting advantage. 1061936;1426914260;decimation;no doubt. 'curiousity killed the cat' 1061937;1426914265;asciilifeform;of intelligence, or the inevitable cost ? 1061938;1426914276;asciilifeform;(it costs just like cpu costs) 1061939;1426914293;mircea_popescu;well... you can now divorce these ?! 1061940;1426914322;asciilifeform;well no. but it's rather like the difference between 'die in car crash' and 'die of exhaust fumes in garage' 1061941;1426914328;asciilifeform;both - of car. 1061942;1426914332;mircea_popescu;if survival depends on, say, spending a week in a fox hole paying the fuck attention, "intelligence", especially the dreamy "creative" sort the us is so enamoured with, is the topmost liability. 1061943;1426914371;asciilifeform;hell, in that situation, you'd want to be... an insect. mosquito can bite in milliseconds; us, with our heavy circuitry, cannot ever equal this - even if limbs were short enough 1061944;1426914392;mircea_popescu;actually i watched mosquitoes bite, and the head movement really resembles a tank tower. 1061945;1426914397;mircea_popescu;it takes 2 seconds or so. 1061946;1426914398;decimation;unless you dream up a robot ninja to fight on your behalf 1061947;1426914414;mircea_popescu;decimation take your real self away from me!111 1061948;1426914419;asciilifeform;perhaps i was thinking of a gnat, hm 1061949;1426914427;decimation;hehe 1061950;1426914430;mircea_popescu;well, scorpion, spider, etc. 1061951;1426914443;mircea_popescu;plenty of good examples, no argument they move faster. 1061952;1426914451;asciilifeform;the u.s. being collectively enamoured of anything that could be described as 'intelligence' is mega-news to me 1061953;1426914471;mircea_popescu;ok. "sort of wankery they abusively call intelligence, cause they're dumb and ambitious" ? 1061954;1426914492;asciilifeform;something like that. but now we've lost the specificity 1061955;1426914516;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061201 << ironically, this would actually explain the modern age. 1061956;1426914516;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 00:01:13; asciilifeform: re: teleporter: there were actually people who refused to travel on steam locomotives because the soul can't keep up and will get lost 1061957;1426914525;mircea_popescu;i'd read a technopunk sf novel working on this exact premise. 1061958;1426914538;asciilifeform;that would be a mega-novel, yes 1061959;1426914543;asciilifeform;i've thought about it myself 1061960;1426914546;gabriel_laddel;Which US is this where "intelligence" is discussed? 1061961;1426914549;mircea_popescu;"and then everything failed because well... everyone was in a bureaucracy, because the souls were like loist behind" 1061962;1426914557;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel reddit. 1061963;1426914594;asciilifeform;perhaps somebody whose soul is still attached will write this book.. 1061964;1426914634;mircea_popescu;if i were 20 years younger i'd take the sluts to whatever cons on this premise. 1061965;1426914645;mircea_popescu;we'd be a new sort of furry : the soulless! better than emo! 1061966;1426914653;mircea_popescu;it'd prolly make a fucking tsunami of pointless. 1061967;1426914663;mircea_popescu;any 16yo boys with a harem reading this ? go fer it! 1061968;1426914705;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061224 << wait, joos aren't allowed to touch women ?! 1061969;1426914705;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 00:04:40; Adlai: probably to prevent physical contact with female flight attendants 1061970;1426914737;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061226 << i agree, the first thing i'd want to ask my long lost twin is if they wanna fuck. 1061971;1426914737;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 00:04:53; jurov: i'd fuck myself. we'd only have to resort to reading /dev/random about who goes first. 1061972;1426914883;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061249 << enlighten me ? 1061973;1426914883;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 00:07:42; nubbins`: examine the utter failure of logic by this man 1061974;1426915048;*;decimation bids good evening 1061975;1426915053;decimation;!down decimation 1061976;1426915266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3662 @ 0.0002912 = 1.0664 BTC [+] 1061977;1426915955;nubbins`;mircea_popescu guy's protecting himself from the cemetery he's flying over 1061978;1426915980;nubbins`;by... wrapping himself in clear plastic 1061979;1426916023;asciilifeform;nubbins`: notice that only the 'graded for effort' hypothesis explains why the cellophane 'counts' but not the plastic in the fuselage 1061980;1426916038;asciilifeform;(because, clearly, the latter was not put there by the hassid fella) 1061981;1426916052;nubbins`;"i do my own plastic work" 1061982;1426916082;nubbins`;it might as well be "i can fly over a cemetery as long as i'm playing tetris on a nintendo game boy" 1061983;1426916092;asciilifeform;there is a little hassid enclave here where i live. they have the 'eruv' (ceremonial rope boundary) that establishes a zone where they can sorta do things on shabat 1061984;1426916116;asciilifeform;the interesting thing, from where i stand is, 1) the rope 'counts' but the sidewalk it follows, or the line of trees - do not 1061985;1426916123;nubbins`;seems taking once-practical advice to the point of absurdity 1061986;1426916129;asciilifeform;2) the rope is ill-maintained and often it is down or even in pieces 1061987;1426916146;asciilifeform;and i have not been able to figure out why it is there on certain times but not others 1061988;1426916414;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so ? 1061989;1426916415;mats;https://www.sba-research.org/wp-content/uploads/publications/qrinception.pdf "QR Inception: Barcode-in-Barcode Attacks" 1061990;1426916416;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcXF8H ) 1061991;1426916432;mircea_popescu;ahahah 1061992;1426916513;mircea_popescu;nubbins` to begin, is your position that this doesn't work or that this doesn't make sense ? 1061993;1426916538;nubbins`;my position is that wtf is a plastic bag doing that the fuselage isn't 1061994;1426916547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61993 @ 0.00029437 = 18.2489 BTC [+] {3} 1061995;1426916549;asciilifeform;nubbins`: provenance 1061996;1426916565;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so you're arguing to ignorance ? 1061997;1426916566;asciilifeform;nubbins`: once you understand how their religion works, it sorta clicks 1061998;1426916594;asciilifeform;it's not just a perverse kind of engineering, where it's the plastic that matters 1061999;1426916595;funkenstein_;QR code attacks <-- reminds me of "snowcrash" 1062000;1426916647;asciilifeform;mats: packet-in-packet attack (see also, described in that neato phrack thing you linked to, i spent all day leafing through it, you wrecker you) or even frame-shift-mutation in genetics, etc 1062001;1426916660;asciilifeform;or anybody who ever jumped in the middle of x86 instruction 1062002;1426916664;mats;ya. 1062003;1426916674;mats;reminds me a bit about goodspeed's zigbee hax 1062004;1426916717;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually that was the lulz of all time, "malware detectors". except they didn't detect stuff half-register shifted did they. 1062005;1426916730;mats;https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/woot11/tech/final_files/Goodspeed.pdf 1062006;1426916732;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcYRZx ) 1062007;1426916741;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1001 variations on that theme 1062008;1426916758;asciilifeform;!s polymorphic 1062009;1426916759;assbot;2 results for 'polymorphic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=polymorphic 1062010;1426916793;mircea_popescu;"oh, ffcd 21aa blabla ? you mean cd31 aaetc ?" 1062011;1426916799;asciilifeform;aha. 1062012;1426916815;mircea_popescu;"i dunno, never seen ffcd or 21aa in malware b4!!1" 1062013;1426916828;asciilifeform;and folks still use signature-based 'detection' 1062014;1426916836;mircea_popescu;myeah. because hey, enumerate badness. 1062015;1426916842;asciilifeform;because 'whaddayamean i'm to be hanged for buying ibm' 1062016;1426916871;asciilifeform;the funny part is that crapware artists, by and large, oblige 1062017;1426916883;asciilifeform;and continue to bake idiocies readily detectable this way and not polymorphic one bit 1062018;1426916891;asciilifeform;with 500kB of visual stoodio crud 1062019;1426916915;mircea_popescu;the caught ones, at any rate. 1062020;1426916930;asciilifeform;the intelligence of the hunter and the deer are, it seems, linked. 1062021;1426916941;asciilifeform;neither finds it worthwhile to rocket far away from the other 1062022;1426916953;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/793d96d71ffd561915f8c9c49f321e8d/tumblr_mimit0y2OI1rpyycwo1_1280.jpg 1062023;1426916954;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcZCBZ ) 1062024;1426916955;asciilifeform;(typically0 1062025;1426917003;mircea_popescu;!up mogreen 1062026;1426917080;mats;http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/03/20/260513/operation-to-retake-tikrit-from.html 1062027;1426917082;assbot;ISTANBUL: Operation to retake Tikrit from Islamic State stalled by heavy casualties, discord | Iraq | McClatchy DC ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcZXoe ) 1062028;1426917087;mats;ha. called it. 1062029;1426917134;mircea_popescu;lol. 1062030;1426917154;mircea_popescu;check itr out, b-a outintels dod. 1062031;1426917172;asciilifeform;can anyone identify the weapon in the photo? looks like recoillessrifle - but which. 1062032;1426917178;mircea_popescu;alf will, true to form, magick this success away. 1062033;1426917192;asciilifeform;l0l success is when they're here 1062034;1426917210;mircea_popescu;no. they made their prediction, we made ours. 1062035;1426917214;mircea_popescu;they lost. 1062036;1426917218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00029637 = 13.0847 BTC [+] {2} 1062037;1426917220;asciilifeform;wai they made a prediction ? 1062038;1426917223;*;asciilifeform behind the times 1062039;1426917231;mircea_popescu;well they did send the fucking thing eh ? 1062040;1426917244;asciilifeform;does this necessarily imply a prediction ? 1062041;1426917250;mircea_popescu;yes. 1062042;1426917253;asciilifeform;perhaps usg sent the cannon fodder to die 1062043;1426917260;mircea_popescu;nevertheless. 1062044;1426917261;mats;looks like a Carl Gustav 1062045;1426917266;mircea_popescu;maybe she cheated on you because she loves you. 1062046;1426917270;mircea_popescu;she took the cock, she took the chances. 1062047;1426917291;asciilifeform;mats: that one's shorter, no ? 1062048;1426917309;mats;you're right 1062049;1426917371;asciilifeform;found it, 'spg9' 1062050;1426917388;asciilifeform;(СПГ-9) 1062051;1426917440;mats;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/fighting-isis-in-iraq-how-british-soldiers-and-other-european-troops-are-helping-train-the-peshmerga-10096952.html << based on this, i thought it may be a folgore 1062052;1426917442;assbot;Fighting Isis in Iraq: How British soldiers and other European troops are helping train the Peshmerga - Middle East - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd15rQ ) 1062053;1426917544;mats;a sign of sleep deprivation. night 1062054;1426917794;nubbins`;k, nite 1062055;1426918113;asciilifeform;incidentally, any serious amateur historian of political engineering skullduggery will enjoy an account of the life and death of the recoilless rifle in '30s ussr. 1062056;1426918163;asciilifeform;(built in vast numbers, apparently all maldesigned, head engineer goes from hero - at one point, monopolizer of virtually all cannon factories - to zero - shot in the head - within 7 years) 1062057;1426918179;asciilifeform;not one recoilless cannon was fired, afaik, by ussr in ww2. 1062058;1426918184;asciilifeform;all melted down. 1062059;1426918260;asciilifeform;it is worth noting what precisely kurchevsky (the engineer) did. 1062060;1426918279;asciilifeform;went with 'conversative' design where he took ordinary cannon of whatever kind, and sawed off the breech, replacing with funnel. 1062061;1426918283;asciilifeform;so kept heavy barrel 1062062;1426918297;asciilifeform;and retained the unwieldy bulk 1062063;1426918309;asciilifeform;(no modern recoillness cannon works this way) 1062064;1426920268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00029411 = 8.338 BTC [-] {2} 1062065;1426920348;mircea_popescu;more interesting is, why did he get away with it for long enough to become a prolbem 1062066;1426920357;mircea_popescu;i guess i wouldn't make a very palatable politburo member. 1062067;1426920373;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/acf990fa23a1a30bad4ca6c6e21af8a6/tumblr_ndu41h5Ot61ttr86so1_500.gif 1062068;1426920374;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATY4ch ) 1062069;1426921000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12215 @ 0.00029808 = 3.641 BTC [+] 1062070;1426922159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51876 @ 0.00029198 = 15.1468 BTC [-] {4} 1062071;1426923013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00029398 = 6.4382 BTC [+] 1062072;1426923350;cazalla;mircea_popescu: im thinking cazalla bingoboingo thestringpuller danielpbarron right off the bat, cazalla lemme know who else should go in the magic dozen. <<< pete_dushenski, PeterL might be interested, personally i think while nubbins` would do a great job, it's something i would look at once, put in cupboard and forget about 1062073;1426923581;ben_vulpes;mats: that chip whisperer is going to hurt some butts. 1062074;1426924930;ben_vulpes; silkscreened business cards are ++ << lmk when you pony up for dies and presses 1062075;1426925956;ben_vulpes; jurov: had the thought once in meditation that I was always... hm... thinking everything I've ever experienced all the time << i've not read it but this was the proust routine, yeah? 1062076;1426926978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51035 @ 0.00028483 = 14.5363 BTC [-] {3} 1062077;1426927405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00028072 = 5.5863 BTC [-] 1062078;1426927954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00028072 = 4.2669 BTC [-] 1062079;1426928076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10565 @ 0.00028072 = 2.9658 BTC [-] 1062080;1426928207;ben_vulpes; [05:48] but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/793d96d71ffd561915f8c9c49f321e8d/tumblr_mimit0y2OI1rpyycwo1_1280.jpg << you're repeating yourself 1062081;1426928208;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHbLRW ) 1062082;1426928747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00029398 = 3.5278 BTC [+] 1062083;1426931160;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-03-2015#1061968 << if you like it, you oughtta put a ring on it. and pay her father 50btc http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/rape/dt22_29a.html 1062084;1426931160;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 05:11:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061224 << wait, joos aren't allowed to touch women ?! 1062085;1426931160;assbot;The Brick Testament ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ez36Mt ) 1062086;1426931919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00029398 = 3.9834 BTC [+] 1062087;1426932956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72871 @ 0.00029554 = 21.5363 BTC [+] {5} 1062088;1426933854;jurov;http://bitcoinist.net/introducing-cryptosteel-worlds-safest-cold-wallet-storage/ 1062089;1426933855;assbot;Introducing Cryptosteel: The World's Safest Cold Wallet Storage - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xaq7YL ) 1062090;1426933871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00029213 = 10.8672 BTC [-] {2} 1062091;1426933942;jurov;lulzy 1062092;1426934028;jurov;and the vid, too, looks like punishment for mircea's slavegirl :D 1062093;1426934058;jurov;and wtf it needs $/@/euro/pound symbols? 1062094;1426934540;jurov;!up dEBRUYNE 1062095;1426934664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.0002909 = 10.996 BTC [-] 1062096;1426935243;RagnarDanneskjol;trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42 1062097;1426937471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12434 @ 0.00028939 = 3.5983 BTC [-] {2} 1062098;1426937531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36066 @ 0.00028008 = 10.1014 BTC [-] {3} 1062099;1426937715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00027951 = 4.3324 BTC [-] 1062100;1426938568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52780 @ 0.00027943 = 14.7483 BTC [-] {2} 1062101;1426939422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00028019 = 13.225 BTC [+] 1062102;1426940703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46330 @ 0.00027847 = 12.9015 BTC [-] 1062103;1426941435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00027643 = 1.1886 BTC [-] 1062104;1426941789;[]bot;Bet created: "Gold to drop under $1000 before August 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1131/ 1062105;1426941952;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Gold to drop under $1000 before August 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1131/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,999. 1062106;1426942228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7548 @ 0.00027643 = 2.0865 BTC [-] 1062107;1426942794;mats;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zqrqe/update_on_my_foia_request_for_the_first_us/ >> "Pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 16.8(d) and (f) , we initiated business submitter notification procedures.to provide the winning bidder (Tim Draper) an opportunity to object to disclosure of the purchase price. Mr. Draper submitted written objections to disclosure. " 1062108;1426942795;assbot;Ow! -- reddit.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEIxrf ) 1062109;1426944864;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060745 << for the record, this user count bs... see stuff like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-03-2015#1056265 1062110;1426944864;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 21:10:47; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: Where can I find objective arguments against BTCJam? As a lending service and reputation system? And what are the alternatives for P2P lending or we don't have? They have 113,000 users, should they be ignored? 1062111;1426944864;assbot;Logged on 18-03-2015 05:09:03; mircea_popescu: " Content preview: Dear Alare Kool, thank you for registering at Bitstamp exchange service! At this point you have just contributed a great deal to future of decentralized monetary market." 1062112;1426944917;mircea_popescu;they have no users. just because the whatsapp scam was pushed by fb on the grounds of "users" (by the way, did the fantabulous "growth rate" continue after the acquisition ?) does not mean that the same sort of fraud will either work again in the future or is in itself any sort of value. 1062113;1426944953;nubbins`;alare kool... from bangladesh?!!? 1062114;1426944973;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. 1062115;1426945043;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060780 << drunk anger does that. drink more water 1062116;1426945043;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 21:34:56; BingoBoingo: I have the most intense hangover 1062117;1426945142;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060802 << layflat for one volume would run you about 1200ish 1062118;1426945142;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 21:40:35; ascii_field: not one can do 'lay flat' cover, for instance 1062119;1426945192;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060821 << haha win. 1062120;1426945192;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 21:44:19; danielpbarron: basically anything ascii wants in book form, I would probably also want 1062121;1426945311;nubbins`;incidentally, here's a layflat binding 1062122;1426945312;kakobrekla;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/18/want_to_dodge_nsa_supply_chain_taps_ask_cisco_for_a_dead_drop/ 1062123;1426945313;assbot;Cisco posts kit to empty houses to dodge NSA chop shops • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1DI9V3o ) 1062124;1426945313;nubbins`;http://www.halstan.co.uk/news/images/20130219-Binding-Otabind.jpg 1062125;1426945314;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DI9W7c ) 1062126;1426945370;mircea_popescu;!up Tetra113 1062127;1426945390;nubbins`;as you can see, the biggest thing is to not adhere the spine of the book block 1062128;1426945434;nubbins`;downside is that the book block is now much less securely held in place 1062129;1426945466;nubbins`;one cm-thick strip of glue on each outer page 1062130;1426945491;Tetra113;good afternoon 1062131;1426945492;nubbins`;here's another lay-flat: http://www.techscribe.co.uk/techw/images/layflat.jpg 1062132;1426945492;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzsxNV ) 1062133;1426945496;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060850 << obligatory http://www.amosnews.ro/arhiva/joc-erotic-terminat-tragic-17-11-2005 1062134;1426945496;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 21:48:38; ascii_field: in the sense that a typical artisan binder would probably react to my laser suggestion the same way my musical friends react to the suggestion of connecting my air compressor to the tuba 1062135;1426945497;assbot;Joc erotic terminat tragic ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzsxO5 ) 1062136;1426945534;nubbins`;"after a colleague introduced them to the anus compressor hose" 1062137;1426945545;nubbins`;dat machine translate 1062138;1426945555;mircea_popescu;nubbins` 50 yo blue collar woman went after shift with coworkers, had compressed air hose stuck up ass. 1062139;1426945556;mircea_popescu;died. 1062140;1426945566;Tetra113;i was spending alot of time reading about bitcoin shares/stocks 1062141;1426945568;kakobrekla;!s french block 1062142;1426945570;assbot;0 results for 'french block' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=french+block 1062143;1426945576;nubbins`;i wonder had she ever seen an air compressor in use before? 1062144;1426945576;kakobrekla;https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150318/06273130352/french-government-starts-blocking-websites-with-views-govt-doesnt-like.shtml 1062145;1426945578;assbot;French Government Starts Blocking Websites With Views The Gov't Doesn't Like | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzsAt6 ) 1062146;1426945578;mircea_popescu;Tetra113 where ? 1062147;1426945585;mircea_popescu;nubbins` well it was her place of work eh. 1062148;1426945590;nubbins`;specifically, had she ever seen the release valve opened on a full one? 1062149;1426945593;Tetra113;mircea_popescu, mostly sites that appear written by you lol 1062150;1426945599;mircea_popescu;lol 1062151;1426945600;Tetra113;but anyway 1062152;1426945601;nubbins`;if so, why in the world did she think her ass was a good place for that to happen? 1062153;1426945615;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i don't get it, is the french govt running an isp ?! 1062154;1426945633;nubbins`;they're apparently running all of them 8) 1062155;1426945645;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i dunno man, to me it's the crowning achievement of a particular sort of technopunk, which is what 50 years of soviet industry really is. 1062156;1426945671;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know just like who ? just like putin, except not the real one, the factitious version that "is holding country back" jurov was talking about. 1062157;1426945671;kakobrekla;idk imma guess they just change the native dns and using an alternative one fixes this 1062158;1426945685;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla used to work in china. for the first coupla years. 1062159;1426945742;nubbins`;given that more people are familiar with changing DNS servers as a result of wanting to watch american netflix, you'll see the turnaround on these things get shorter 1062160;1426945777;nubbins`;(you'd be amazed how many people who don't know what DNS stands for know what it does these days) 1062161;1426945823;danielpbarron;height=290070 vs height=214008 1062162;1426945874;Tetra113;mircea_popescu, how does one get in on bitcoin company shares? 1062163;1426945901;mircea_popescu;what's that one trying to achieve ? 1062164;1426945921;Tetra113;profit? 1062165;1426945922;Tetra113;hehe 1062166;1426945926;mircea_popescu;nubbins` noit that amazed, history of internet. 1062167;1426945937;nubbins`;guess so hey 1062168;1426945949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.00027537 = 17.2657 BTC [-] {2} 1062169;1426945951;mircea_popescu;you'd be amazed how many monkeys click the blue e, too. 1062170;1426945966;nubbins`;soon it won't be blue or an e! 1062171;1426945977;mircea_popescu;the monkeys ain't going anywhere. 1062172;1426946033;nubbins`;nope 1062173;1426946076;nubbins`;meantime, if anyone happens to have come across a guide to Smyth Sewing (re: bookbinding), would be forever in your debt 1062174;1426946088;mircea_popescu;i wonder idly if anyone even realises that the turing machine space has by now been explored MUCH more in depth than the human genetic space, for instance. 1062175;1426946095;nubbins`;remarkably hard to find solid info on 1062176;1426946111;mircea_popescu;ie, we've built a much larger % of the computers that could be than there's been people alive as a % of the people that could be. 1062177;1426946132;nubbins`;i'd imagine so 1062178;1426946207;mircea_popescu;nubbins` https://vimeo.com/42600794 ? 1062179;1426946208;assbot;Process: Smyth Sewn Book Binding on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIbrCD ) 1062180;1426946239;nubbins`;ugh 1062181;1426946240;chetty; mircea_popescu, how does one get in on bitcoin company shares?// bitcoin company??????????? 1062182;1426946242;nubbins`;have seen that video 1062183;1426946243;nubbins`;shows nothing 1062184;1426946255;mircea_popescu;well that's all i had :D 1062185;1426946343;mircea_popescu;"In fact, all the boring normal bugs are _way_ more important, just because 1062186;1426946343;mircea_popescu;there's a lot more of them. I don't think some spectacular security hole 1062187;1426946343;mircea_popescu;should be glorified or cared about as being any more "special" than a 1062188;1426946343;mircea_popescu;random spectacular crash due to bad locking." 1062189;1426946351;mircea_popescu;ahh, the sweet innocence of presnowden. 1062190;1426946366;nubbins`;on the surface, it looks like a plain kettle-stitch binding, with the addition of those stress strips 1062191;1426946368;Tetra113;chetty, yes obviously there has to be some company generating the value?? 1062192;1426946389;mircea_popescu;the crash is only important if it can be used to poison the stack. otherwise... it's just annoying. 1062193;1426946406;mircea_popescu;Tetra113 so then find them and buy chunks. 1062194;1426946410;nubbins`;Tetra113 ^ 1062195;1426946429;nubbins`;generally, one gets in on shares by buying them 1062196;1426946507;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060883 << i thought it was hotels. 1062197;1426946507;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 22:02:49; danielpbarron: one of the best places to get like-new Bibles is a used book store 1062198;1426946572;Tetra113;so nubbins` where did you buy them? 1062199;1426946592;nubbins`;Tetra113 what is "them"? 1062200;1426946598;Tetra113;shares? 1062201;1426946601;nubbins`;shares of what? 1062202;1426946607;nubbins`;microsoft? cisco? 1062203;1426946743;nubbins`;figure out your question in full before you start asking it, maybe 1062204;1426946750;mircea_popescu;Tetra113 seriously, this isn't etrade in a different color scheme. 1062205;1426946760;mircea_popescu;etrade only exists because that model's practically dead. 1062206;1426946807;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062072 << well maybe one day you run into a people. it's not impossible, even in tasmania! 1062207;1426946807;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 07:35:50; cazalla: mircea_popescu: im thinking cazalla bingoboingo thestringpuller danielpbarron right off the bat, cazalla lemme know who else should go in the magic dozen. <<< pete_dushenski, PeterL might be interested, personally i think while nubbins` would do a great job, it's something i would look at once, put in cupboard and forget about 1062208;1426946850;mircea_popescu;!s tumblr_mimit0y2OI1rpyycwo1_1280.jpg 1062209;1426946850;assbot;0 results for 'tumblr_mimit0y2OI1rpyycwo1_1280.jpg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tumblr_mimit0y2OI1rpyycwo1_1280.jpg 1062210;1426946858;danielpbarron;i was planning on handing them out at porcfest as i attempt to interview people 1062211;1426946862;mircea_popescu;lies ben_vulpes :D 1062212;1426946864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34398 @ 0.00027468 = 9.4484 BTC [-] {2} 1062213;1426946871;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron cool plan. 1062214;1426946967;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062107 << moving eh ? all the better. 1062215;1426946967;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 12:59:54; mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zqrqe/update_on_my_foia_request_for_the_first_us/ >> "Pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 16.8(d) and (f) , we initiated business submitter notification procedures.to provide the winning bidder (Tim Draper) an opportunity to object to disclosure of the purchase price. Mr. Draper submitted written objections to disclosure. " 1062216;1426947071;danielpbarron;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/ << is this a qntra article? 1062217;1426947072;assbot;Withdrawals halted as stolen evolution coins make their way to BTC-e : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DId0jX ) 1062218;1426947133;mircea_popescu;may be yeah. 1062219;1426947155;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem a terribly legit reason to stop withdrawals, who knows if they're piggybacking on it to excuse their own failure. 1062220;1426947192;danielpbarron;it's a horrible reason to stop withdrawals 1062221;1426947202;danielpbarron;and the only thing it hurts is themselves 1062222;1426947219;mircea_popescu;so go for it. 1062223;1426947254;mircea_popescu;in any case this "we attack bitcoin fungibility and expect to remain in business" angle has to be dispelled. 1062224;1426947267;mircea_popescu;no one ever will survive trying to make one bitcoin unequal to another bitcoin. 1062225;1426947294;mircea_popescu;this is a capital offense. mass arson, rape and murder is a tea party by comparison. 1062226;1426947331;nubbins`;i wonder will they halt withdrawals when draper's stolen SR bitcoins start moving to exchanges? 1062227;1426947346;nubbins`;by my count, guy's got a hundred bucks belonging to me 1062228;1426947366;mircea_popescu;lol 1062229;1426947382;nubbins`;actually, that'd be an interesting trace. 1062230;1426947383;mircea_popescu;but this is exactly it, usg trying to insert itself into the process by "blessing bitcoins" 1062231;1426947395;nubbins`;^ 1062232;1426947398;mircea_popescu;much like you know, "you can'tr fuck this woman until this old man has sprinkled water on her" 1062233;1426947400;mircea_popescu;"orly ? " 1062234;1426947422;nubbins`;you can't be in charge until you fill out this paperwork! 1062235;1426947437;mircea_popescu;"how about you fill in the paperwork while i keep on being in charge." 1062236;1426947458;nubbins`;heh 1062237;1426947506;danielpbarron;Update: BTC-e admins have reached out to Coin Fire to state that withdrawals have been re-enabled and that they have no further comments regarding the situation moving forward regarding this or any other security issue. 1062238;1426947521;danielpbarron;is it still an article if they tapped out? 1062239;1426947533;mircea_popescu;only if you absolutely want to. 1062240;1426947548;mircea_popescu;"btc-e briefly stupid this morning", i guess. 1062241;1426947588;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't necessartily be much more than editorializing, up to cazalla if he wants more of that or more news to balance things out. 1062242;1426947642;danielpbarron;the story might be all the FEDs that swarm to reddit saying things like "see bitcoin isn't anonymous you better just use dollars!" 1062243;1426947700;mircea_popescu;this is not terribly factual. 1062244;1426947743;mircea_popescu;not every poltroonish german's a gestapo agent, not every poltroonish soviet's a kgb agent and not every reddit idjit's working for teh soup. 1062245;1426947764;nubbins`;anyone happen to have any of the btc addresses used for the first sr auction? 1062246;1426947842;mircea_popescu;1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX ? 1062247;1426947915;mircea_popescu;going to 1Ez69SnzzmePmZX3WpEzMKTrcBF2gpNQ55, never spent. 1062248;1426947931;mircea_popescu;since w/e, 9 months ago. 1062249;1426947934;funkenstein_;btc-e grabs some easy publicity perhaps 1062250;1426947974;mircea_popescu;sort-of like putting cockroaches in your pizza for easy publicity. 1062251;1426947996;funkenstein_;so no bitcoin numismatics then? 2 BTC for my coin which was mined in 2010? 1062252;1426948030;danielpbarron;how does that even work? you sell the private key? 1062253;1426948032;mircea_popescu;nubbins` is the local numismatist 1062254;1426948042;nubbins`;^ 1062255;1426948057;funkenstein_;no i just transfer it as usual 1062256;1426948098;nubbins`;i'm not sure that's the word you're looking for 1062257;1426948142;danielpbarron;then you'd destroy all those coin-days which i thought was the thing you were trying to sell 1062258;1426948147;nubbins`;pedigree coins 1062259;1426948169;funkenstein_;not coin days but mining origin 1062260;1426948182;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/087PNN7 << best story ever, 10/10 would hire indian excel expert to literaturate again. 1062261;1426948184;assbot;dpaste: 087PNN7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIeYAC ) 1062262;1426948231;nubbins`;funkenstein_ no better than fresh-minted coins? 1062263;1426948318;funkenstein_;maybe you'd rather pay more for fresh minted coins, i hear some people prefer them 1062264;1426948328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62900 @ 0.00027742 = 17.4497 BTC [+] {2} 1062265;1426948360;funkenstein_;based on hash rental rates 1062266;1426948383;mircea_popescu;http://edge.org/conversation/the-normal-well-tempered-mind << you know this is easily the most disjointed, ridiculous and overall pointless piece of crap. "out of whack" three times ? the whole thing's an exercise in content-free derpage. 1062267;1426948384;assbot;THE NORMAL WELL-TEMPERED MIND | Edge.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIfi2v ) 1062268;1426948452;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu, i thought it was interesting, but i guess not enough to finish it 1062269;1426948547;mircea_popescu;there's some reasonable if banal shit floating around in a sea of very annoying nonsense. wtf is "out of whack" even supposed to mean, and since when is an ipad a better model of computing than a desktop. 1062270;1426948553;mircea_popescu;but anyway, whatevs. 1062271;1426948561;funkenstein_;lol sounds about right 1062272;1426948566;funkenstein_;We're beginning to come to grips with the idea that your brain is not this well-organized hierarchical control system where everything is in order, a very dramatic vision of bureaucracy. <-- i liked that part 1062273;1426948617;mircea_popescu;yes, obviously, people working on computational theories of human intelligence are basically correct and broadly irrelevant, yes people who were working on this 30 years ago are too stupiud to follow it, because hey, they didn't grow up with a computer, like i did, and yes culture consists of a lot of fleas and relatively little treasures. 1062274;1426948668;mircea_popescu;and yes the brain's not a leviathan. nothing is. that only exists as a first line of fantasy, no place ever worked like that except in the bookish literotica of state-wankers. 1062275;1426948674;nubbins`;yeah tim draper owes me at least a few bucks 1062276;1426948681;mircea_popescu;about as sensible as the "paradise" of xtians, or ragnarok or w/e. 1062277;1426948793;funkenstein_;some testing notes for mod6 http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 1062278;1426948795;assbot;dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIg1R9 ) 1062279;1426949412;funkenstein_;and some bloggage fors ya http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=39 1062280;1426949413;assbot;The Dollar Market and a Game Theory Example | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1IaOruB ) 1062281;1426949487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00027609 = 6.4053 BTC [-] 1062282;1426949548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22973 @ 0.0002759 = 6.3383 BTC [-] {2} 1062283;1426950685;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before August 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1131/ Odds: 50(Y):50(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,907. 1062284;1426950890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51450 @ 0.00027456 = 14.1261 BTC [-] {2} 1062285;1426951195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00028 = 7.784 BTC [+] {3} 1062286;1426951301;nubbins`;"This second pillar of Legion Theory might appear to be an unnecessary complication to our model. Dare we say, an “intellectual wankâ€. " 1062287;1426951305;nubbins`;i like these guys 1062288;1426951563;mircea_popescu;;;later tell funkenstein_ could that thing stop being disqus 1062289;1426951565;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1062290;1426951565;mircea_popescu;;;google "Legion Theory" 1062291;1426951566;gribble;Legion Theory - Theory & Psychology - Sage Publications: ; Legion Theory 1 Legion Theory: A meta-psychology Mark L ...: ; Legion Theory: 1062292;1426951579;mircea_popescu;heh mk. 1062293;1426953549;thestringpuller;lol slush adds css to site everyone is like "this is best site ever" 1062294;1426953565;thestringpuller;smoke and mirrors make the derps go oooh and ahh 1062295;1426953593;fluffypony;OMG I MUST SWITCH 1062296;1426953597;fluffypony;CSS 1062297;1426953597;fluffypony;JS 1062298;1426953598;fluffypony;BEST 1062299;1426953598;fluffypony;EVER 1062300;1426953701;thestringpuller;^- pretty good impression fluffypony 1062301;1426953707;fluffypony;I try 1062302;1426953713;fluffypony;my redditard is a little rusty 1062303;1426953757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9458 @ 0.00028129 = 2.6604 BTC [+] 1062304;1426954376;Adlai;dogecoin rallied after they added css3 moon rocket upvote animations 1062305;1426954426;fluffypony;so this is good for bitcoin? 1062306;1426954445;Adlai;the next difficulty adjustment is critical 1062307;1426954460;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/ 1062308;1426954470;fluffypony;lol Adlai 1062309;1426954523;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, they resumed withdrawls 1062310;1426954816;danielpbarron;someone should tell the exit scammers about bitbit as an option for mixing 1062311;1426954866;Adlai;how is that any good? if you know somebody's betting address, you can see their winnings on the site 1062312;1426955021;danielpbarron;yeah but you can't see it on the block chain 1062313;1426955478;mats;there are private bets 1062314;1426955571;nubbins`;so 0.5.3.1 auto.sh will compile everything up to bitcoind itself 1062315;1426955588;nubbins`;at which point incompatibilities in ld crop up and grind the thing to a halt 1062316;1426955588;kakobrekla;private bets are public, just need a password to request a deposit address 1062317;1426955598;kakobrekla;also, there are none. 1062318;1426955606;kakobrekla;i dont recall if there ever was an approved one 1062319;1426955651;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813233.msg10841000#msg10841000 1062320;1426955652;assbot;Casascius 10BTC Silver Round /w Gold B ... ( http://bit.ly/1BikwLq ) 1062321;1426956356;mircea_popescu; how is that any good? if you know somebody's betting address, you can see their winnings on the site << not how that works. 1062322;1426956390;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i dun recall one either. 1062323;1426956403;mircea_popescu;not sure why we put it in, but i think it was the usual "customer request" stuff 1062324;1426956548;Adlai;let's say i've identified a certain address A as coins that are "not welcome here". i see it move coin to address B, so i sniff around and notice that B is a deposit address on bitbet, with winnings going to C. i add C to the list of unwelcome money. 1062325;1426956606;*;Adlai is equally amused from "lalala taint doesn't exist" and "lalala bitcoin doesn't exist" 1062326;1426956624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00027392 = 3.5199 BTC [-] 1062327;1426956667;mircea_popescu;you really should read the logs, this was discussed ad nauseam. 1062328;1426956676;mircea_popescu;address A with your "taint" may lose to address B. what now ? 1062329;1426956685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00027392 = 3.5199 BTC [-] 1062330;1426956701;Adlai;then the idiot using a betting site as a tumbler, got what they deserved 1062331;1426956701;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of "lalala taint doesn't exit". taint exists exactly as much and exactly for the reasons god "exists" 1062332;1426956708;mircea_popescu;some idiots can't cope otherwise. 1062333;1426956746;mircea_popescu;Adlai didja eat dumb this morning ? i put 100 btc on one side, of your taint, and 100 btc on the other side, you don't know about. if one wins now you've gotta taint 2x as manby btc, if the other wins you lost track. 1062334;1426956805;*;Adlai sighs 1062335;1426956837;mircea_popescu;but really, the notion of taint is only recurring because people are stupid, and do not wish to think. otherwise, taint is meaningless. 1062336;1426956898;Adlai;taint in as meaningful as the person you're trying to do business with thinks it is 1062337;1426956932;Adlai;but whether or not it's meaningful to a specific incident, it still exists 1062338;1426956971;mircea_popescu;it exists to the degree the madonna-whore exists. 1062339;1426956989;mircea_popescu;yes, some idiots have trouble with reality, replace it with neurosis. this to the detriment of them and anyone trusting them. 1062340;1426957028;mircea_popescu;like any other stereotype, like the nigger thief/rapist, the dumb woman, the jew cooking christian children etc, it "exists" in the minds of the stupid, 1062341;1426957034;mircea_popescu;and it recurs because stupid is really a very narrow space. 1062342;1426957138;Adlai;no. you're confusing between value in the minds of people holding a bill, and fingerprints on its surface. one exists in the mind, the other is evidence. it could be misleading evidence, but it is there. 1062343;1426957147;mircea_popescu;taint != fingerprints. 1062344;1426957166;mircea_popescu;in that fingerprints are on the bill, and taint is in the mind, wholly imagined. 1062345;1426957256;Adlai;do we agree that utxos exist? 1062346;1426957262;mircea_popescu;yes. 1062347;1426957350;Adlai;ok, what i'm calling "taint" is the tree constructed by recursively collecting the inputs that led in to each utxo 1062348;1426957375;Adlai;a better word for this could be "signing history", but whatever it is, it exists. you can ask what the history of any utxo is, and you get a graph of signatures 1062349;1426957408;Adlai;blockchain.info pander to idiots by misrepresenting this as taint(address1,address2) = percentage 1062350;1426957471;Adlai;it's much more complicated than a single number, same as you can't scalarize "trust" - but taint as i've defined it exists, in the blockchain - outside of the mind. 1062351;1426957509;mircea_popescu;no, what you're calling taint is a particularly dumb implementation of "smart contracts", ie, overloading txn with "meaning" that's really in your own head. see also http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1058300 1062352;1426957509;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 21:32:58; fluffypony: "release the money to mircea_popescu if I send the money to mircea_popescu" is about the sum total of it 1062353;1426957531;Adlai;uh what? 1062354;1426957536;Adlai;this has nothing to do with it 1062355;1426957542;mircea_popescu;uniquely among dumb implementation of "smart contracts", this doesn't even involve the actual parties to the txn, but third parties. 1062356;1426957548;mircea_popescu;you wish. it's exactly what it is. 1062357;1426957593;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-02-2015#1018795 1062358;1426957593;assbot;Logged on 14-02-2015 18:06:59; mircea_popescu: lol kay. 1062359;1426957630;mircea_popescu;the "signing history" is entirely meaningless. the TOTAL information it conveys is already conveyed, and spent. there is NO MORE in there, at all, nothing whatsoever. 1062360;1426957672;Adlai;lalala! 1062361;1426957681;mircea_popescu;hey, what can i tell you. 1062362;1426957702;Adlai;"i understand what you're saying and insist on attacking a strawman" 1062363;1426957725;nubbins`;Adlai 1062364;1426957729;Adlai;nubbins` 1062365;1426957732;mircea_popescu;i understand what you are saying, and i also understand why it's stupid. you have the option to pretend like you don't see it, or not. nothing i can do thar. 1062366;1426957738;nubbins`;perhaps i can explain this succinctly, as i had this same convo some time ago 1062367;1426957753;nubbins`;let's use an example 1062368;1426957755;nubbins`;https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ 1062369;1426957755;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 4 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYAYXH ) 1062370;1426957772;nubbins`;examine the first "no" bet, which won 0.05280995 btc 1062371;1426957783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0002726 = 2.7533 BTC [-] {2} 1062372;1426957785;nubbins`;input address is 16u2vFY3w6j18KZ6WxtiJpGeZfXnyyK7NM 1062373;1426957794;nubbins`;payout address is 1F3fzDm5yM5dsPmP9andV2UJgSvrsLHXXm 1062374;1426957809;nubbins`;here's the link between the two: 1062375;1426957811;nubbins`;https://bitiodine.net/a2a/16u2vFY3w6j18KZ6WxtiJpGeZfXnyyK7NM/1F3fzDm5yM5dsPmP9andV2UJgSvrsLHXXm 1062376;1426957813;assbot;BitIodine - Find paths ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYBchq ) 1062377;1426957837;Adlai;no, here's the link: https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b2 1062378;1426957838;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 4 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYBhlj ) 1062379;1426957841;nubbins`;so now you're left with... some random betting website that says the two addresses are owned by the same entity, with no further evidence to back it up 1062380;1426957859;nubbins`;that's not a link 1062381;1426957883;nubbins`;i could just create a static copy of bitbet w/ a web crawler and create all the "links" i want 1062382;1426957890;nubbins`;does that mean they exist? 1062383;1426957905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00027237 = 2.5194 BTC [-] 1062384;1426957913;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt that after he ignored the "if one wins now you've gotta taint 2x as manby btc, if the other wins you lost track." bit he's in a position to grok this one, but hey. 1062385;1426957917;*;mircea_popescu watches curiously. 1062386;1426957929;nubbins`;there's nothing on the blockchain to link the two addresses 1062387;1426957939;nubbins`;and if there's nothing on the blockchain to link them 1062388;1426957948;nubbins`;then you're just trusting the word of some guy who runs a website. 1062389;1426957949;Adlai;there are a bunch of different concepts which are getting wrapped up together as "taint" so let's stop using that word, it's about as helpful as "jew" 1062390;1426957963;mircea_popescu;can we move to "celestial teapot" ? 1062391;1426957989;nubbins`;okay 1062392;1426957992;mircea_popescu;(pls do not lalala-ignore my celestial teapot, it triggers me) 1062393;1426958027;nubbins`;so let's go back to unwelcome money 1062394;1426958041;mircea_popescu;teapot money ? 1062395;1426958043;nubbins`;why is 1F3fzDm5yM5dsPmP9andV2UJgSvrsLHXXm unwelcome money? because it's listed as an output address on http://bitbet.us? 1062396;1426958044;assbot;BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9Uteb ) 1062397;1426958070;trinque;RagnarDanneskjol | trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. << no problemo; deedbot- works for me 1062398;1426958074;mircea_popescu;fucking hell, "unwelcome money" is about as self-consistent as "human dignity" or "representative democracy" 1062399;1426958102;Adlai;the "this is just text on a betting website" doesn't get the 'electric anthill' any further from your anus 1062400;1426958108;nubbins`;groan 1062401;1426958109;Adlai;the "..." *defense 1062402;1426958118;Adlai;ie, the information is there, should somebody wish to act on it 1062403;1426958122;nubbins`;so then why don't we just ask mp to create a dummy bet page, and list tim draper's stash as the output? 1062404;1426958133;nubbins`;his coins will be ruined 1062405;1426958135;nubbins`;right? 1062406;1426958155;mircea_popescu;Adlai are you discussing rule of law or rule of thugs ? 1062407;1426958156;Adlai;not if he doesn't touch the winnings 1062408;1426958163;nubbins`;now you're talking about electric anthills 1062409;1426958171;mircea_popescu;cause i am really not interested in persuading thugs of anything through any method other than clubbing to death. 1062410;1426958177;Adlai;electric anthill = rule of thugs 1062411;1426958183;nubbins`;WHAT WINNINGS? 1062412;1426958185;mircea_popescu;so then why is ANY oif it relevant lol. 1062413;1426958200;nubbins`;https://blockchain.info/address/1F3fzDm5yM5dsPmP9andV2UJgSvrsLHXXm 1062414;1426958202;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1F3fzDm5yM5dsPmP9andV2UJgSvrsLHXXm ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9UT4i ) 1062415;1426958208;nubbins`;show me where the "winnings" were transferred 1062416;1426958216;mircea_popescu;obviously whatever random thug is going to make randomly unsubstantiated claims and pretend like they hold water. so what of it ? 1062417;1426958217;nubbins`;all i see is some random coin moving around 1062418;1426958222;mircea_popescu;this isn't something to be approached rationally. 1062419;1426958262;Adlai;if you know that an enemy is profiling you, one approach is simply to evade the profile 1062420;1426958278;nubbins`;Adlai a random website taking two random unlinked transactions and placing them side-by-side on a random page does not constitute even the /scent/ of proof 1062421;1426958305;mircea_popescu;Adlai never interrupt the enemy while he's making a mistake. 1062422;1426958310;nubbins`;i don't know how simpler to put it 1062423;1426958311;mircea_popescu;let 'em "profile" until they fall over. 1062424;1426958379;mircea_popescu;i guess it's "good for the economy". heck, they're tracking "uniques", for all the good that did anyone. we still have to see the extra ounce of soap or w/e that was sold because of it, but hey. 1062425;1426958389;nubbins`;this is like pasting up a leaflet that says "main street intersects 3rd avenue" and then arguing that's the intersection you lost your wallet, even though the map says impossible 1062426;1426958409;nubbins`;because main and 3rd run parallel 1062427;1426958415;Adlai;one approach to combating terrorism is to refuse to be terrorized, on a societal level. another, on an individual level, is not to "ask for it". these are not mutually exclusive. 1062428;1426958427;nubbins`;"but the leaflet says this intersection exists, so we must investigate the crime" 1062429;1426958481;nubbins`;geez, where'd the counter-argument go 1062430;1426958536;mircea_popescu;Adlai wait, what ? 1062431;1426958550;mircea_popescu;what you're describing is the exact avenue to encourage terrorism. 1062432;1426958599;trinque;look at how she was dressed; the slut was asking for it -> niqab 1062433;1426958614;nubbins`;hm 1062434;1426958627;nubbins`;is the intersection of these two approaches to STFU and take whatever happens? 1062435;1426958655;nubbins`;do you measure your other-cheek-turning in x1000 rpm or what? 1062436;1426958677;Adlai;in the case of 'taint', it's: treat bitcoin as fungible, but don't make life easier for those who don't 1062437;1426958693;nubbins`;<+Adlai> there are a bunch of different concepts which are getting wrapped up together as "taint" so let's stop using that word, it's about as helpful as "jew" 1062438;1426958694;nubbins`;try again 1062439;1426958703;nubbins`;protip: if you can't state your position... 1062440;1426958705;*;Adlai used that word intentionally 1062441;1426958719;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure no-ones making life easier for idiots, here. 1062442;1426958750;nubbins`;my being here is probably making life harder for at least a handful of people 1062443;1426958750;mircea_popescu;hence the bitbet model, hence the reusing of addresses etc etc, numerous specific measures to hinder the little solace idiots a la power rangers etc are trying to give the "defungibilize bitcoin" party. 1062444;1426958784;mircea_popescu;not that any of these are critical, but yes, some hopes are fun to ruin. 1062445;1426958881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80218 @ 0.00027598 = 22.1386 BTC [+] {2} 1062446;1426958893;nubbins`;occasionally i burn fun-sized blocks of btc just to make things a bit more tangly 1062447;1426959218;asciilifeform;the "this is just text on a betting website" doesn't get the 'electric anthill' any further from your anus << aha. this was also my objection, if anyone recalls. 1062448;1426959242;asciilifeform;list tim draper's stash as the output? his coins will be ruined << no, they won't. because he's aryan. 1062449;1426959255;asciilifeform;are you discussing rule of law or rule of thugs << thugs 1062450;1426959282;asciilifeform;not interested in persuading thugs of anything through any method other than clubbing to death << what exterminator do i call. we're overrun. 1062451;1426959321;Adlai;G.BUST 1062452;1426959330;asciilifeform;random thug is going to make randomly unsubstantiated claims << here lies the boojum. it isn't unsubstantiated. mr thug is looking for which arse to stuff the soldering iron in, rather than trying to prove something to a jury 1062453;1426959439;asciilifeform;the info on, e.g., 'bitbet' www, -could- be random garbage - but it -isn't- 1062454;1426959454;asciilifeform;this isn't, again, a jurist's 'reasonable doubt' standard 1062455;1426959467;asciilifeform;it's thug logic, and some of us live in thugschwitz 1062456;1426959526;nubbins`;then i guess you better not use bit(bet/coin) 1062457;1426959528;*;asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to recite the proverbial 'if it hurts, don't do that' doctoring. 1062458;1426959533;nubbins`;XD 1062459;1426959665;mod6; <+funkenstein_> some testing notes for mod6 http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 << thanks for the testing notes! 1062460;1426959666;assbot;dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9ZpzN ) 1062461;1426959729;danielpbarron;oh mod6 just the guy i want to see 1062462;1426959740;danielpbarron;how would i go about compiling your bitcoind for macppc? 1062463;1426959794;mod6;<+nubbins`> so 0.5.3.1 auto.sh will compile everything up to bitcoind itself << ah! ok. log/breadcrumbs help here : log output with uname -a and other important info is good to capture for a solid bug report. 1062464;1426959800;mod6;thanks for testing nubbins` 1062465;1426959892;mod6;danielpbarron: hmm. well, first, you'd have to get the libs to build for the correct arch. does mac still use ppc? thought it was x86? but either way, you get the libs built, and then there might be some tweaks that can be done to get the makefile into shape for osx or w/e. 1062466;1426959908;*;mod6 looks 1062467;1426959918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33835 @ 0.00027237 = 9.2156 BTC [-] 1062468;1426959940;danielpbarron;i have some old macs 1062469;1426960066;mod6;ah so PPC 1062470;1426960130;mod6;well, we'd have to spend some time just making sure we have the correct configure/compile flags set for openssl/bdb/boost and then create a patch or derivative of auto.sh for ppc-mac 1062471;1426960162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53478 @ 0.00027683 = 14.8043 BTC [+] {2} 1062472;1426960176;mod6;then a makefile.osx would have to be modified and re-added to the package once working. 1062473;1426960227;mod6;im probably least clue'd on the mac side. if I had an environment to play on for a while, i could probably get it to work. 1062474;1426960234;asciilifeform;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/19/cansecwest_talk_bioses_hack << mega-l0l 1062475;1426960235;assbot;Noobs can pwn world's most popular BIOSes in two minutes • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1BFRvJw ) 1062476;1426960253;mod6;but others might have faster/better-luck/more knowledge on that than ole mod6 1062477;1426960461;mod6;http://www.boost.org/users/history/version_1_52_0.html << so it says that osx is supported here, but does this only indicate that it supports x86 of OSX? 1062478;1426960471;mod6;looks like it :/ 1062479;1426960473;danielpbarron;what about VAX ? 1062480;1426960484;danielpbarron;http://www.openbsd.org/vax.html 1062481;1426960485;assbot;OpenBSD/vax ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ca1PhR ) 1062482;1426960512;danielpbarron;OpenBSD still supports this for the purpose of finding bugs that would otherwise go unnoticed on modern speedy systems 1062483;1426960540;mod6;eh, i'm not sure on VAX either. i've never used it. it doesn't look like boost supports it. 1062484;1426960615;mod6;but maybe someday we can get builds/patches created to build/configure for these seperate arch's. who knows. 1062485;1426960622;danielpbarron;https://books.google.com/books?id=PN6Xy9zWAbsC&pg=PR36&lpg=PR36 1062486;1426960624;assbot;Absolute OpenBSD, 2nd Edition: UNIX for the Practical Paranoid - Michael W. Lucas - Google Boeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1BFRIwk ) 1062487;1426960741;danielpbarron;https://i.imgur.com/nup9VqD.png << for those who hate google 1062488;1426960742;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BFRKo2 ) 1062489;1426960797;mod6;yeah. ok. so supporting stuff like VAX/Amiga/SGI/Sparc etc are going to take time and resources ... maybe someday we get there, who knows. but first we just wanna get it working for like x86 obsd, and other Tier1 platforms first. 1062490;1426960833;mod6;heck, i'd love to get an R.I. running on an UltraSPARC II box or something. 1062491;1426960854;mod6;it's just not time well spent for me atm since no one even has that stuff any more. :] 1062492;1426960880;danielpbarron;yeah obviously get it working on whatever most people use these days 1062493;1426960903;mod6;i saw thay you're getting close to 300k blocks on pogo, that's great work. keep it up! 1062494;1426960929;danielpbarron;and if you liked that paragraph i quoted there, it's from "Absolute OpenBSD" by Michael W. Lucas 1062495;1426960932;mod6;i feel like the pogo is hugely important for getting a large amount of nodes out there with 0.5.3.1, that's really exciting. 1062496;1426960940;danielpbarron;i own this book and recommend it to others 1062497;1426960946;mod6;i've gotta get one going here myself. 1062498;1426960997;mod6;yeah I read the two paragraphs there "portability" and "power". 1062499;1426961030;danielpbarron;apparently you can read the book on google? idk how that works 1062500;1426961039;mod6;it seems like a decent read. i feel like i my have read that book like a million-internet years ago. 1062501;1426961046;danielpbarron;says you can buy it for 30+ USD on the side 1062502;1426961055;mod6;im old-school. i like real books. 1062503;1426961067;mod6;but yeah, i've certainly seen it in stores. 1062504;1426961076;danielpbarron;maybe it's because that particular section is part of the pre-page numbers section 1062505;1426961089;danielpbarron;roman numeral page numbers 1062506;1426961109;mod6;yeah, i saw that. usually on-line, you get a certain amount of sections to preview. 1062507;1426961113;mod6;(for free) 1062508;1426961125;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's no relation between addresses and identities. 1062509;1426961158;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: except when a man is sitting on a stake, and they have his decrypted wallet ? 1062510;1426961164;mod6;huh, weird, this one looks like you can read a lot of it... 1062511;1426961168;mircea_popescu;but this is ex post facto. 1062512;1426961198;asciilifeform;or, say, sr is busted and a number of addresses turns up there. then link between them and sr. 1062513;1426961203;asciilifeform;am i missing something ? 1062514;1426961241;mircea_popescu;"them" addresses. so ? 1062515;1426961247;mircea_popescu;you gonna arrest an address ? 1062516;1426961320;mircea_popescu;"The point is less about how vendors don't fix the problems, and more how the vendors' fixes are going un-applied by users, corporations, and governments." << orly. how about the point is all about how "vendors" create bugs. 1062517;1426961321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00027237 = 4.4941 BTC [-] 1062518;1426961339;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: need the magic eyeglasses to see that point, apparently 1062519;1426961347;asciilifeform;because nobody but us appears to 1062520;1426961367;asciilifeform;'apply fixes, fixes, now!111!111' 1062521;1426961384;mircea_popescu;"The LightEater attack would take an unskilled attacker such as a maid or border guard two minutes of physical access to a target laptop." 1062522;1426961385;mircea_popescu;ahem 1062523;1426961651;mircea_popescu;anyway, since this "taint" bs keeps popping up, maybe a retrospective is a good idea. like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#716247 1062524;1426961651;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2014 02:34:16; mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that bitcoin is not actually traceable, and all the sophistry of taint can at most produce persuasion is one of the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin to human society. it may result in the "reasonable doubt" standard being taken out. 1062525;1426961820;mircea_popescu;and where the heck's that 2013 bitbet discussion 1062526;1426961982;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#470127 still not it hot damn 1062527;1426961982;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2014 16:43:16; mircea_popescu: since you can by design make zero-delta bets, and since the fee is 1%... bitbet is partly the reason why mixer services sort-of died last year, i'd guess. 1062528;1426962179;asciilifeform;re: bios: every portable computer i've opened in the past decade or so had the system bios stored in an eight-legged spi eeprom. one of the legs is a write-enable. in principle, not so hard to desolder & ground it. 1062529;1426962204;danielpbarron;in looking for a link, i found a typo in this page -> http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ 1062530;1426962205;assbot;Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ca77d8 ) 1062531;1426962225;mircea_popescu;whats the typo ? 1062532;1426962232;danielpbarron;Retarded pieces like what Matonis is retweeting of late (shame on you man, seriously) are powerless in this matter, << links to trilema instead of twitter 1062533;1426962309;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#520177 1062534;1426962309;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2014 19:47:58; mircea_popescu: why "you" ? 1062535;1426962358;mircea_popescu;ah yes danielpbarron has it. 1062536;1426962361;mircea_popescu;ty 1062537;1426962792;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/#footnote_3_52853 <<< ahahaha. 1062538;1426962793;assbot;Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfJIGW ) 1062539;1426962799;mircea_popescu;anyone guess what that hinted at ? 1062540;1426963070;danielpbarron;USG asking MPEx if so-and-so is a customer? 1062541;1426963102;danielpbarron;or if such-and-such a bet was from whatever exit scam ? 1062542;1426963210;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ 1062543;1426963211;assbot;Interacting with fiat institutions, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfLckB ) 1062544;1426963222;danielpbarron;or uh.. USG guy joins IRC and identifies himself as such 1062545;1426963237;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2014#643118 << and since we're digging through logs... remember back when the scam foundation was "giving generous grants" ? 1062546;1426963237;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2014 17:49:10; mircea_popescu: "After scoring a major grant awarded by the Bitcoin Foundation, Coinpunk’s beta version is finally available. The project, which is being developed by the veteran startup founder Kyle Drake, intends to build the first fully open-source, self-hosted do-it-yourself Bitcoin wallet service that you can run on your own server." 1062547;1426963239;danielpbarron;signs message with GPG key hosted on a .gov 1062548;1426963758;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: thank you for the answers and the link. I'll have a look on it before comment again. 1062549;1426963761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00027624 = 11.2153 BTC [+] 1062550;1426963794;mircea_popescu;np. 1062551;1426963804;nubbins`;i'll probably get a makefile.osx done up at some point 1062552;1426963814;nubbins`;in order for it to compile all the deps, there's only a couple trivial changes to make 1062553;1426963822;nubbins`;s/sha256sum/shasum -a 256/ etc 1062554;1426963834;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/d680f19e948db3a6f204280efa2bf7a5/tumblr_mwq1dag5pw1t1c22co1_1280.jpg << dat tit hang. 1062555;1426963836;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfNqQP ) 1062556;1426963860;nubbins`;s/MSG_NOSIGNAL/SO_NOSIGPIPE/ in irc.cpp and net.cpp 1062557;1426963864;nubbins`;'bout it 1062558;1426963895;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: just one question mark: do you call fraud what does not have the "min. quality expected for that service" or something else? 1062559;1426963932;nubbins`;mod6 the rest of the issues seem to be differences between bsd/osx 'ld' and linux 'ld' 1062560;1426963937;nubbins`;flags missing etc 1062561;1426963945;mircea_popescu;felipelalli there's a difference between making cars as in, making a trabant, making cars as in, making a cardboard cut-out of a car, and making cars as in, making ford pintos, which explode killing their passengers. 1062562;1426963961;nubbins`;mostly surrounding the static-build part of it, fwiw 1062563;1426963967;nubbins`;*static-link 1062564;1426963977;mircea_popescu;the main problem in commerce is that the most dangerous of these is the last, and the most readily identified by the consumer is the first. 1062565;1426963984;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: got it! 1062566;1426964012;felipelalli;makes sense. 1062567;1426964020;mircea_popescu;so you know, "it seems to be working" is a very bad heuristic for stuff like this. 1062568;1426964037;mircea_popescu;the fact that it's not intuitively obvious is not accidental, but part of the problem. 1062569;1426964066;mircea_popescu;the only similar situation i can imagine is self medication in medicine, where person goes to pharmacy swallows random pill for random ailment. 1062570;1426964090;mircea_popescu;it "seems to be working" because placebo effect, a sugar pill "seems to be working", and then six months later guy with tb is dead of iodine poisoning or w/e. 1062571;1426964138;felipelalli;but sometimes is hard to point objectivally where is the "bomb" inside the car. Sometimes we have just some clues. And they'll know only after explode. 1062572;1426964161;felipelalli;the same to your pharmacy example. 1062573;1426964219;felipelalli;you can say "this box seems weird" (like violated e.g.) but you'll only know after die. 1062574;1426964237;felipelalli;I read your BTCJam article on trilema 1062575;1426964302;felipelalli;and I didn't find anything very objective, but I guess you're trying to find clues that points something is weird. But after using the system, you can understand for example how joke is they reputation system. 1062576;1426964379;felipelalli;is *their 1062577;1426964551;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: a P2P lending system totally based on OTC WoT system would you consider a fraud as well or it could be something good? 1062578;1426964590;felipelalli;I mean, rabbit out of this hat or not? This type of service is lost case? 1062579;1426965109;thestringpuller;felipelalli: the scam is that reputation is built nominally on btcjam vs. WoT 1062580;1426965230;thestringpuller;s/the/a 1062581;1426965302;thestringpuller;another scam is the repayment rate 1062582;1426965308;thestringpuller;it's just scam on top of scam 1062583;1426965328;thestringpuller;!up vorandrew 1062584;1426965348;vorandrew;thanks... the problem with p2p lending - it one sided market 1062585;1426965383;vorandrew;for example.. I wan to get loan... I want to get $95 and repay $100 in 2 months 1062586;1426965419;vorandrew;If somebody can bet money that I will not pay it back - it will be incentive 1062587;1426965454;vorandrew;for example bid/ask for Mr.X loan is .89-0.93 1062588;1426965476;vorandrew;means he wants to sell his debt for 93 cents a dollar 1062589;1426965491;vorandrew;and somebody wants to buy his debt for 89 cents a dollar 1062590;1426965505;vorandrew;let's say I'm sure he is not going to repay 1062591;1426965556;vorandrew;If I have opportunity to put aside with escrow 1 dollar and sell his debt for 89 cents 1062592;1426965571;vorandrew;I will be risking 11 cents if he is gonna repay 1062593;1426965583;vorandrew;and 89 cents in profit in case he is in default 1062594;1426965608;vorandrew;so this BTCJAM (or any other one way market) 1062595;1426965620;vorandrew;is kind of pump and dump scheme 1062596;1426965641;vorandrew;you repay all year just to get max rating 1062597;1426965660;vorandrew;and boom! - just default on 660K BTC :) 1062598;1426965740;vorandrew;now imagine - 1 day before debt expiration - prices should be near 0.99 1062599;1426965760;vorandrew;risking 1 cent in order to get 99 - not to shabby risk/reward ratio 1062600;1426965855;*;asciilifeform walks in and #b-a is about... assets! wonders if he fell into a time warp 1062601;1426965895;thestringpuller;asciilifeform is actually the flash 1062602;1426965900;thestringpuller;and ran to fast and it now in 2012 1062603;1426966656;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/odin-s-birthday-celebrated-by-social-media-supporters-1.3004041 1062604;1426966657;assbot;Odin's birthday celebrated by social media supporters - Toronto - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xopTNX ) 1062605;1426966659;nubbins`;smh 1062606;1426966662;mod6;<+nubbins`> mod6 the rest of the issues seem to be differences between bsd/osx 'ld' and linux 'ld' << ah ok, yeah. 1062607;1426966664;nubbins`;what happens next year? 1062608;1426966679;vorandrew;;;price 1062609;1426966679;gribble;Error: "price" is not a valid command. 1062610;1426966700;asciilifeform;nubbins`: mega-disappointment 1062611;1426966707;asciilifeform;-that-'s odin!?! 1062612;1426966707;nubbins`;https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/qa/qa1118/_index.html 1062613;1426966709;assbot;Technical Q&A QA1118: Statically linked binaries on Mac OS X ... ( http://bit.ly/1xopXNH ) 1062614;1426966715;nubbins`;admittedly not sure if related ^ 1062615;1426966717;nubbins`;asciilifeform right? 1062616;1426966737;asciilifeform;'Apple does not support statically linked binaries on Mac OS X. A statically linked binary assumes binary compatibility at the kernel system call interface, and we do not make any guarantees on that front. Rather, we strive to ensure binary compatibility in each dynamically linked system library and framework.' 1062617;1426966739;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha. 1062618;1426966761;vorandrew;;;help 1062619;1426966761;gribble;The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ 1062620;1426966766;asciilifeform;waitasec why do we even care 1062621;1426966768;vorandrew;!facts 1062622;1426966770;asciilifeform;what apple does 1062623;1426966780;nubbins`;we don't, i've got a passing interest 1062624;1426966820;nubbins`;at least they point you in the direction of what to do should you choose to ignore dad advice 1062625;1426966827;asciilifeform;i used to have a passing interest, long ago. but for all i know you have to sacrifice a son to the crocodile god to get blessing from cupertino to distribute 'app' now. 1062626;1426966840;*;nubbins` idly wonders what sort of install base Darwin has 1062627;1426966862;asciilifeform;nubbins`: probably somewhere below that of 'plan 9' 1062628;1426966867;nubbins`;heh 1062629;1426966868;asciilifeform;if you're thinking of raw 'darwin' 1062630;1426966886;asciilifeform;at one point i had a machine going with each. 1062631;1426966889;nubbins`;i know there is/was an "opendarwin" project 1062632;1426966917;nubbins`;anyway, homebrew lets me install sane gcc, but apparently sane ld is off-limits? 1062633;1426966935;asciilifeform;conflicts with the idiot ld on the box, or what 1062634;1426966953;nubbins`;in theory there'd be conflicts with the idiot gcc 1062635;1426966960;nubbins`;so brew installs things in a specific location 1062636;1426966968;nubbins`;then i go rename the originals and ln -s 1062637;1426966975;nubbins`;but check this out: 1062638;1426966978;nubbins`;$ brew install ld64 1062639;1426966978;nubbins`;ld64: OS X Snow Leopard or older is required. 1062640;1426966980;nubbins`;OR OLDER 1062641;1426966988;asciilifeform;nubbins`: you might actually have more luck cross-compiling on that box 1062642;1426967005;nubbins`;hmm 1062643;1426967093;nubbins`;in what fashion 1062644;1426967099;asciilifeform;say, for armv5 1062645;1426967120;asciilifeform;(crosstoolchain has prefixes in names) 1062646;1426967131;asciilifeform;but i dare say this is a waste of time 1062647;1426967141;asciilifeform;find a real computer 1062648;1426967231;nubbins`;no kidding hey 1062649;1426967357;nubbins`;brew install ld64 pulls down the following file: 1062650;1426967358;nubbins`;https://opensource.apple.com/tarballs/ld64/ld64-97.17.tar.gz 1062651;1426967361;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xoqGyB ) 1062652;1426967361;nubbins`;o.O 1062653;1426967369;nubbins`;how is this useful 1062654;1426967410;danielpbarron;ftr I do not intend to acutally use apple software; i've been putting OpenBSD on old iMacs 1062655;1426967436;asciilifeform;then no need for the weird apple minutiae, no ? 1062656;1426967450;asciilifeform;is anyone actually trying to build on apple's os ? 1062657;1426967451;danielpbarron;i think nubbins` has other plans 1062658;1426967458;*;danielpbarron shrugs 1062659;1426967471;asciilifeform;i meant was, is anyone planning to -run- on apple's os 1062660;1426967477;asciilifeform;because now that's just bizarre 1062661;1426967483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20591 @ 0.0002754 = 5.6708 BTC [-] {2} 1062662;1426967490;nubbins`;that's what i'm trying to do, yes 1062663;1426967498;nubbins`;not that i'm going to be running a node on this machine 1062664;1426967500;danielpbarron;i plan on using nothing but OpenBSD whereever possible :p 1062665;1426967509;nubbins`;just killing a saturday seeing how much work is involved 1062666;1426967518;asciilifeform;i'll build for apple shortly after i build for 'super nintendo' 1062667;1426967522;danielpbarron;although still using gentoo on this laptop and debian on my irc server and ArchLinux on the pogo node 1062668;1426967540;nubbins`;2 more pogos on the way here 1062669;1426967545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40761 @ 0.00027223 = 11.0964 BTC [-] {2} 1062670;1426967566;asciilifeform;nubbins`: get a mega-crate while they're still around 1062671;1426967587;asciilifeform;i have reasons to suspect that the pogo-4 is not long for this world 1062672;1426967605;danielpbarron;they are selling the things at like 80% off because they think people will pay them 5 USD a month for cloud services 1062673;1426967614;nubbins`;reasons that include dumping the hardware below cost? ;p 1062674;1426967616;asciilifeform;and the cheapest entirely equivalent machine i was able to find on the market, anywhere on planet, is roughly 4x the cost 1062675;1426967643;nubbins`;danielpbarron i'm still not sure how much is mfg subsidy and how much is dumping eol product 1062676;1426967667;nubbins`;the msrp on the things is like $99. 1062677;1426967709;asciilifeform;there are inexhaustible many similar machines -without sata- for around 2-3x the cost of 'pogo4' 1062678;1426967722;asciilifeform;but it is precisely the sata - and the Gb ethernet - which make the pogo what it is 1062679;1426968661;mircea_popescu;felipelalli it actually already works like that. 1062680;1426968697;ben_vulpes; [19:50] is anyone actually trying to build on apple's os ? << no 1062681;1426968704;ben_vulpes;mod6 will be too polite about this 1062682;1426968708;mircea_popescu;the reason you're not seeing "anything very objective" is because you don't know all sorts of things you don't know, and so they don't trigger for you. for instance : in a village where there's no bank, someone offering loans is one thing. in a town where banks exists and works, someone offering "loans" is called a loanshark. 1062683;1426968728;ben_vulpes;but macos is marginal, and not at all a thing that i'm interested in hosting bitcoind on. 1062684;1426968787;mircea_popescu;for fundamental or practical reasons ? 1062685;1426968800;mircea_popescu;ie, macos too stupid to run software ? or, not enough people actually running it to bother with ? or what ? 1062686;1426968960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it has weird and very annoying quirks. just like actual unixen but not exactly, is the best description 1062687;1426968969;asciilifeform;i think the japanese call this situation 'uncanny valley' 1062688;1426968986;mircea_popescu;aha 1062689;1426968988;trinque;situation will likely involve installing some mess like brew 1062690;1426968989;ben_vulpes;where's that bash 1062691;1426969040;*;nubbins` did install some mess like brew 1062692;1426969049;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#896379 1062693;1426969049;assbot;Logged on 26-10-2014 03:33:41; decimation: osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars 1062694;1426969049;nubbins`;fwiw brew is *just* a package manager ;p 1062695;1426969094;trinque;nubbins`: I recall several instances of having done *dunno what* to fuck up my brew/macports/fink install 1062696;1426969095;ben_vulpes;well a) marginal in that if you can hack an os x box, you are able to hack a linux or bsd box, and why prefer the consumer os to something designed for use by professionals 1062697;1426969117;nubbins`;trinque my understanding is that installing brew and macports is a recipe for disaster 1062698;1426969123;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: betcha 9 out of 10 times it is used because laptop. 1062699;1426969125;ben_vulpes;b) it is the product of the devil, with all sorts of odd shit going on under the hood 1062700;1426969130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00028006 = 8.6258 BTC [+] {3} 1062701;1426969143;nubbins`;asciilifeform +1 1062702;1426969152;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: invariably 1062703;1426969183;ben_vulpes;'tis why i use it. 1062704;1426969194;ben_vulpes;i'd like to build out a workstation this year. 1062705;1426969201;ben_vulpes;doubt that i'll have time, though. 1062706;1426969202;thestringpuller;workstation isn't portable 1062707;1426969203;ben_vulpes;anyways. 1062708;1426969212;jurov;36 quotes waiting for bash... looks like rs work, guess i'll start asking for donations :D 1062709;1426969213;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: you don't say! 1062710;1426969214;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the parts aren't getting any more findable. 1062711;1426969239;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i've been wanting to build a successor to my '07 machine for a few yrs now, and at this point not sure that it will happen at all 1062712;1426969262;asciilifeform;there are how many manufacturers of amd boards with support for ecc ram? 2? 1? 1062713;1426969286;*;asciilifeform goes through this ritual every year or so 1062714;1426969296;ben_vulpes;i honestly don't even know how to build a workstation. 1062715;1426969296;*;asciilifeform with same result 1062716;1426969314;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you buy a number of things and bolt them together... 1062717;1426969315;ben_vulpes;for example: why ecc ram? 1062718;1426969327;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this was actually discussed in #b-a on several occasions 1062719;1426969331;asciilifeform;!s ecc 1062720;1426969332;assbot;63 results for 'ecc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ecc 1062721;1426969352;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: cannot tolerate errors in memory for any reason, whatsoever. 1062722;1426969357;jurov;can't one just use some server mobo? 1062723;1426969365;asciilifeform;jurov: -must- 1062724;1426969371;asciilifeform;jurov: but not so many for amd. 1062725;1426969392;asciilifeform;esp. if you want expansion slots 1062726;1426969402;asciilifeform;(for human use, typically want video boards, for instance.) 1062727;1426969430;*;jurov is uninformed grunt with athlonII 630 fourcore with no upgrade plans and sadly no ecc 1062728;1426969448;trinque;asciilifeform: do you find AMD more trustworthy or is it a technical preference? 1062729;1426969458;asciilifeform;last i checked, i actually found an appropriate board. about 1k usd for mobo alone. 1062730;1426969509;asciilifeform;trinque: amd is, recall, also american. but it does not have the history of outright warfare against its customers, or the surreptitious collaboration with microshit, that intel does. 1062731;1426969528;trinque;yep knew they're american, hence curiosity 1062732;1426969566;asciilifeform;there is no 'clean' cpu vendor on the planet today. 1062733;1426969579;asciilifeform;even chinese 'loongson' is built with american w4r4z fab tools. 1062734;1426969590;trinque;heh sorry to constantly remind you of this fact with my questions. 1062735;1426969645;trinque;I am still curious why davout uses win 3.1 to do his encryption 1062736;1426969648;asciilifeform;trinque: there are other useful facts to know about intel 1062737;1426969664;asciilifeform;trinque: for instance, that recent intel server boards all include -prominently advertised- hardware rootkits 1062738;1426969668;asciilifeform;'remote management' 1062739;1426969677;asciilifeform;supposedly user-controllable, but srsly l0l 1062740;1426969678;trinque;yeah, saw that feature on this lenovo 1062741;1426969681;trinque;"feature" 1062742;1426969713;asciilifeform;as for 'consumer' junk, recent intel boards have nintendo-style signed boot preventing use of linuxbios 1062743;1426969728;asciilifeform;this should tell you everything you need to know. 1062744;1426969729;cazalla;danielpbarron: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/ << is this a qntra article? <<< as far as i could tell, it's just a screenshot from btc-e chat, nothing came from btc-e themselves on the website, twitter etc etc, btc-e's email server was down too so people couldn't confirm withdrawal, so nfi if that link is even factual 1062745;1426969733;assbot;Withdrawals halted as stolen evolution coins make their way to BTC-e : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DISeAt ) 1062746;1426969744;trinque;asciilifeform: indeed 1062747;1426969755;asciilifeform;trinque: amd is not 'angelic', it is simply behind the usg schedule because, elementary, smaller market share 1062748;1426969760;asciilifeform;and is the 'younger son' 1062749;1426969763;asciilifeform;so not favoured by microshit 1062750;1426969779;asciilifeform;but we all know where the train is going 1062751;1426969793;asciilifeform;so if you want to buy hardware, do it while you can. 1062752;1426969795;nubbins`;;;google hear my train a-comin' 1062753;1426969796;gribble;Hear My Train A Comin' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Jimi Hendrix - Hear My Train A Comin' (Lyric Video) - YouTube: ; Jimi Hendrix: Hear My Train A Comin' | Director's Cut Video ... - PBS: decimation: a friend of mine always says it's a matter of time before they remove the terminal entirely <<< a friend of mine says obummer is a reptilian 1062862;1426975038;decimation;except apple doesn't really have a wot so much as it has a slave harem 1062863;1426975040;trinque;nubbins`: heh, I tend to argue the contrary 1062864;1426975043;trinque;but he has a point 1062865;1426975070;nubbins`;like, remove Terminal.app from the default install, or remove the ability to run bash? 1062866;1426975085;nubbins`;or something more nebulous 1062867;1426975094;nubbins`;like "just remove" 1062868;1426975103;pete_dushenski;if apple has a slave harem, they win the award for 'dumbest slave harem' 1062869;1426975128;decimation;pete_dushenski: well, they apparently can charge people for the privilege of signing up 1062870;1426975130;trinque;nubbins`: remove the ability to interact with anything other than signed cocoa apps 1062871;1426975141;pete_dushenski;or maybe windowz wins. but w/e 1062872;1426975146;nubbins`;well, y'know. 1062873;1426975148;nubbins`;let em. 1062874;1426975158;nubbins`;it's their hw/sw 1062875;1426975166;pete_dushenski;decimation: they charge ppl for all the privileges! 1062876;1426975172;trinque;sure, that was my reaction to the latest win10 signed boot bullshit 1062877;1426975180;nubbins`;*i* won't buy it, but since when does the market cater to rational actors? 1062878;1426975182;pete_dushenski;that's how you know it's lvmh territory 1062879;1426975212;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: not since the state stuck its fingers in 1062880;1426975214;decimation;as in maker of fancy trinkets for rich folk? 1062881;1426975225;pete_dushenski;right 1062882;1426975248;decimation;I recently heard an argument that apple's only recourse to 'grow' its revenue stream is to sell super-luxury goods 1062883;1426975249;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: which would've been what, 1915 ? 1062884;1426975265;trinque;decimation: the apple watch gadget etc 1062885;1426975268;trinque;tv... so on 1062886;1426975286;pete_dushenski;decimation: new product offerings grow their pie just as well 1062887;1426975293;decimation;the argument being that even if every 'middle class' person in the world purchased a new apple device they would still only be 'holding steady' 1062888;1426975293;trinque;I admire the way the company got started; someone needs to do *that* again 1062889;1426975296;trinque;because now they're the IBM 1062890;1426975299;pete_dushenski;not necessarily more premium, just... branded 1062891;1426975310;nubbins`;mildly surprised there's no market for os-free laptops of somewhat rugged construction 1062892;1426975314;nubbins`;but only ever so mildly 1062893;1426975328;decimation;which explains the need to sell 10k watches, and cars, bespoke helicopters, etc 1062894;1426975332;trinque;asciilifeform tells me there are no trustworthy components with which to re-do the garage build, and I don't doubt him 1062895;1426975339;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: like engineless car market 1062896;1426975350;pete_dushenski;buy a honda, insert own custom ferrari engine 1062897;1426975354;pete_dushenski;uh, sure 1062898;1426975358;decimation;nubbins`: there's the 'toughbook' 1062899;1426975358;nubbins`;my next laptop will probably be a cheap desktop + chromebook 1062900;1426975366;decimation;but I think it comes with winblows 1062901;1426975368;nubbins`;decimation what am i, a cop?! 1062902;1426975371;decimation;hehe 1062903;1426975383;nubbins`;dell usually offers one or two linux laptops 1062904;1426975388;nubbins`;hopelessly outdated and overpriced 1062905;1426975405;nubbins`;otherwise, your choices are (a) give MS $25 or (b) fuck off 1062906;1426975413;decimation;my recommendation is you purchase a laptop on the 'coreboot' list & flash your own bios 1062907;1426975415;trinque;I've seen a system76 in person, seemed like a piece of shit 1062908;1426975416;pete_dushenski;or buy old thinkpad 1062909;1426975434;pete_dushenski;which i'll get around to myself at some point 1062910;1426975434;nubbins`;trinque i researched those 1062911;1426975436;decimation;be prepared for shitty device support 1062912;1426975441;nubbins`;i honestly abhor the idea of a plastic laptop 1062913;1426975447;trinque;pete_dushenski: I'm on a lenovo turd currently, do not recommend 1062914;1426975461;trinque;thinkpad in name only 1062915;1426975466;pete_dushenski;mm, ok so pre-2011 or w/e 1062916;1426975472;trinque;yeah 1062917;1426975478;pete_dushenski;update ram, new os, go 1062918;1426975485;nubbins`;haha, i actually have a laptop w/ coreboot: OLPC XO-1. 1062919;1426975492;trinque;my cellphone gets too close to this machine and the display starts flickering, disk remounts read-only 1062920;1426975499;decimation;if you want 'cheap, don't care', you could buy a chromebook and reflash 1062921;1426975548;nubbins`;my criteria are (a) not plastic body (b) no money given to MS 1062922;1426975576;pete_dushenski;several ways to skin cat, hard to argue that any involve apple 1062923;1426975587;decimation;well, the 'plastic body' fails almost everything 1062924;1426975590;nubbins`;^ 1062925;1426975601;decimation;macbookpro or toughbook 1062926;1426975610;nubbins`;mbp = soldered ram, glued battery 1062927;1426975621;pete_dushenski;only newest ones 1062928;1426975628;nubbins`;too troo 1062929;1426975634;nubbins`;used laptops = ehhhh 1062930;1426975636;pete_dushenski;glued battery wasn't there 3 years ago 1062931;1426975639;nubbins`;who knows how they were treated 1062932;1426975642;pete_dushenski;not sure about ram 1062933;1426975654;decimation;yeah, you could buy an old g4 macbook pro 1062934;1426975664;pete_dushenski;17" screen! 1062935;1426975678;nubbins`;maybe i'll just try stocking up on a full set of spare parts for this late-2008 macbook 1062936;1426975690;nubbins`;prolly no easier 1062937;1426975690;decimation;replace battery, replace hdd 1062938;1426975715;pete_dushenski;maybe no easier, but that's not the point, the point is what's saner 1062939;1426975727;nubbins`;this is actually the longest i've ever used the same laptop 1062940;1426975743;pete_dushenski;well then why stop 1062941;1426975752;nubbins`;planning for the future, yo 1062942;1426975755;pete_dushenski;dollars to donuts a newer one won't last 7 years 1062943;1426975755;nubbins`;one day this will die 1062944;1426975808;pete_dushenski;but unless it's too slow for your needs, like decimation said, a new hdd or battery is all you'll likely need 1062945;1426975813;pete_dushenski;what, maybe fan 1062946;1426975824;nubbins`;got a new battery and upgraded to 8gb ram a couple months ago 1062947;1426975830;nubbins`;breathed some new life into it 1062948;1426975856;pete_dushenski;next: ssd 1062949;1426975890;decimation;they might not have sata drives, you might need an ata ssd 1062950;1426975955;nubbins`;ssd i can do w/o 1062951;1426975964;*;nubbins` doesn't do much disk thrashing 1062952;1426975977;decimation;the issue is that it might suck if you don't run osx 1062953;1426976051;nubbins`;that's what my iphone said when i walked into best buy 1062954;1426976053;nubbins`;8) 1062955;1426976252;PeterL;so I applied for grad school today 1062956;1426976267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00027425 = 6.7466 BTC [+] 1062957;1426976348;pete_dushenski;PeterL: what program ? 1062958;1426976373;PeterL;Central Mich chemistry 1062959;1426976408;pete_dushenski;nice. gl! 1062960;1426976411;PeterL;thanks 1062961;1426976440;PeterL;it's the only place close enough to be commutable 1062962;1426976511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.0002721 = 11.5915 BTC [-] {2} 1062963;1426976672;nubbins`;PeterL congrats/condolences 1062964;1426976679;PeterL;lol 1062965;1426976883;PeterL;asciilifeform:the same folks who were paying the parasites (i will not call them publishers, they withhold only - performing not a single one of the traditional functions of a publishing house save the physical printing) - will continue to pay. << what is this "physical printing"? everything is online now 1062966;1426976902;PeterL;btw, I'm a couple days behind in the logs 1062967;1426976925;decimation;PeterL: it doesn't matter that it's all online 1062968;1426976929;nubbins`;facepalm 1062969;1426976957;decimation;in fact, it makes things worse, because they can positively identify to whom 'reading privileges' belong 1062970;1426976971;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/oa5lj23 1062971;1426976972;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgBDli ) 1062972;1426977022;PeterL;decimation: in fact, it makes things worse, because they can positively identify to whom 'reading privileges' belong << people share files, right? 1062973;1426977065;decimation;sure, let me know if you find an open repo with all academic pubs present, updated regularly 1062974;1426977083;PeterL;asciilifeform:and to the extent it isn't a problem, it is solely because academia is mostly dead as a going concern << and here I go trying to get back into it :( 1062975;1426977111;decimation;PeterL: it's not a bad idea if you can scam someone into paying for it 1062976;1426977187;nubbins`;fwiw "everything is online now" people generally miss out on a broad spectrum of opportunity 1062977;1426977350;asciilifeform;fact is, i can go and read print materials at uni library 1062978;1426977355;asciilifeform;online ones - no. 1062979;1426977370;PeterL;no university password? 1062980;1426977374;asciilifeform;nope 1062981;1426977382;asciilifeform;and i pay actual money just to be permitted in the library 1062982;1426977383;nubbins`;even if you could read 'em online, look what happens if you read them too fast 1062983;1426977426;asciilifeform;there has been a very sharp decline in the past few yrs in what i am able to access at the library 1062984;1426977455;asciilifeform;because even the things still issued in print - many of the print subscriptions at this place were allowed to lapse 1062985;1426977462;nubbins`;^ 1062986;1426977470;asciilifeform;because 'anyone who's anyone can read on www' or the like. 1062987;1426977479;asciilifeform;and no, none of it is on warez of any kind 1062988;1426977488;asciilifeform;(who would put it there, and why?) 1062989;1426977496;nubbins`;^ 1062990;1426977504;PeterL;get an undergrad girlfriend who can print it for you? 1062991;1426977506;nubbins`;"everything is online" is a fine premise for commodity data 1062992;1426977514;nubbins`;rare data, not so much 1062993;1426977540;asciilifeform;PeterL: someone suggested bribery & shills before. it doesn't work, because my use pattern is 'grep at 3am when moon is full' 1062994;1426977549;asciilifeform;rather than 'fetch me XXXXX' 1062995;1426977558;nubbins`;i've downloaded bootlegged concerts, since lost, that i will never, ever, ever find again 1062996;1426977561;PeterL;you grep the dead trees? 1062997;1426977571;asciilifeform;PeterL: approximately. 1062998;1426977591;asciilifeform;speaking of the online stuff, really 1062999;1426977594;asciilifeform;i browse. 1063000;1426977621;asciilifeform;most of the time when i go to that library it isn't even for a specific rational purpose 1063001;1426977624;asciilifeform;but just to massage brain 1063002;1426977650;asciilifeform;this is easy with print, difficult with www, but absolutely impossible with www that someone else is cranking for you 1063003;1426977697;PeterL;browse through google scholar? 1063004;1426977709;asciilifeform;PeterL: browsing for me implies instant access to full text 1063005;1426977716;PeterL;good point 1063006;1426977717;asciilifeform;not idiot 'winamp playlists' of titles 1063007;1426978033;asciilifeform;nubbins`: mildly surprised there's no market for os-free laptops of somewhat rugged construction << iirc the term of art is 'lemon market' 1063008;1426978070;decimation;it's not like several day delay involved in informing whatever patsy to do what is needed is great for your train of thought 1063009;1426978084;asciilifeform;!s ooda loop 1063010;1426978084;assbot;2 results for 'ooda loop' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ooda+loop 1063011;1426978108;decimation;and then if patsy discovers the volume/paper/whatever wasn't useful, how do you think they will react? 1063012;1426978134;asciilifeform;the whole point of a library, originally (ancient and medieval worlds) was so you don't have to write to phriend across the sea 'please send me work xxxxx' and get it two years later when you forget what it was even for 1063013;1426978147;decimation;ie a cache 1063014;1426978148;asciilifeform;to 'shorten the ooda loop' 1063015;1426978169;decimation;but that was when only people who knew wtf they were doing could even read 1063016;1426978217;asciilifeform;today 'library' could be anywhere with a net connection - but isn't 1063017;1426978238;asciilifeform;and if it takes ww3 to eliminate the reasons for this - then i am enthusiastically in favour of ww3. 1063018;1426978245;decimation;asciilifeform: publishers/authors have 'come to expect' royalties 1063019;1426978261;PeterL;new #B-A need: print off all the articles and store in a library 1063020;1426978273;trinque;ahem... deedbot- 1063021;1426978293;decimation;online repo is fine, as long as it is properly organized and indexed 1063022;1426978311;asciilifeform;decimation: the authors virtually never see any positive cashflow 1063023;1426978316;nubbins`;PeterL dat cutoff of comments 1063024;1426978319;decimation;note that attempting to accomplish this task was why whats his face hung himself 1063025;1426978333;asciilifeform;i'm not even satisfied that he did it himself 1063026;1426978334;asciilifeform;but yes 1063027;1426978339;decimation;heh 1063028;1426978341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9035 @ 0.00027384 = 2.4741 BTC [+] 1063029;1426978354;PeterL;nubbins`: what cutoff? 1063030;1426978363;nubbins`;waitnow. what articles? 1063031;1426978438;PeterL;all the articles asciilifeform wants to read later 1063032;1426978486;asciilifeform;most of what i read is '70s-'90s and a good chunk of it is book 1063033;1426978501;PeterL;would deedbot be a suitable place to publish scientific research? 1063034;1426978514;decimation;sure, or at least a hash/pointer to the same 1063035;1426978526;asciilifeform;PeterL: so it isn't merely or even primarily about recent publications 1063036;1426978532;nubbins`;o 1063037;1426978533;asciilifeform;but this is a case of 'the spittoon' 1063038;1426978536;asciilifeform;!s spittoon 1063039;1426978537;assbot;21 results for 'spittoon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spittoon 1063040;1426978558;trinque;PeterL: depends on licensing I guess; I don't have the bankroll to get into any copyright battles for anyone 1063041;1426978563;trinque;nor the interest 1063042;1426978577;asciilifeform;the frustration of the activity is directly proportional to how often i end up 'following a dead link' - that is, trying to access something - anything - referred to in any work, and finding out that it isn't in the collection or i'm not cleared for it 1063043;1426978593;asciilifeform;and generally the answer is 'constantly' 1063044;1426978720;decimation;^ me too 1063045;1426978733;asciilifeform;since mircea_popescu is out, i will have to fill in for him and point out that yes, 99.9999% percent of the material is crud 1063046;1426978739;asciilifeform;but this changes nothing 1063047;1426978741;decimation;and I even pay for an IEEE membership w/societies (mostly IEEE papers) 1063048;1426978767;asciilifeform;we don't have a mechanism for producing the good stuff separately, yet. 1063049;1426978873;asciilifeform;to anyone who ever wondered about what the net would look like if it were controlled by publishers, rather than telecoms: it would look like the academia web. 1063050;1426978875;trinque;part of the interest for me working on deedbot- was to see how hard the next thing would be, publishing magnet link hashes, dht keys, something like that 1063051;1426978890;trinque;that idea is better off being a tool you run against your own bitcoind 1063052;1426978905;asciilifeform;trinque: warez only really works for popular things 1063053;1426978913;trinque;asciilifeform: yeh, people here would have to run it 1063054;1426978941;trinque;*seed 1063055;1426978991;asciilifeform;for instance, go find peter kogge's 'symbolic computers' on warez. 1063056;1426979008;asciilifeform;it isn't there 1063057;1426979024;asciilifeform;and if it is ever there, it will almost certainly be because i will have found the time to scan it & post it. 1063058;1426979098;trinque;asciilifeform: I have long wanted a system where member nodes can all publish wads 'o gpg stuff, peers don't know the contents of the wad, give each-other redundancy 1063059;1426979106;decimation;asciilifeform: https://books.google.com/books?id=ruhQAAAAMAAJ < this? 1063060;1426979108;assbot;The Architecture of Symbolic Computers - Peter M. Kogge - Google Boeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiVST5 ) 1063061;1426979114;trinque;there are a few attempts at doing it with a shitty alt-coin 1063062;1426979151;PeterL;trinque: isn't that what bitmessage is supposed to do? 1063063;1426979203;trinque;PeterL: in the ballpark; there's storj, also ballpark 1063064;1426979206;asciilifeform;decimation: yes, it 1063065;1426979222;trinque;needs to be built on bitcoin 1063066;1426979229;decimation;the g00g has it in their repo... 1063067;1426979236;PeterL;why need to build on bitcoin? 1063068;1426979236;asciilifeform;decimation: they have almost everything 1063069;1426979241;decimation;aye 1063070;1426979243;asciilifeform;decimation: but fat lot of good it does anyone else 1063071;1426979264;asciilifeform;it's as uninteresting as the fact that the author might still have it on some ancient 8mm tape 1063072;1426979269;trinque;google, one of the things which will survive the fall... 1063073;1426979302;asciilifeform;trinque: see their usenet archive to learn what happens to material that the 1990s-birthdayed morons don't give a damn about 1063074;1426979339;decimation;perhaps one day google will be 'snowdened' 1063075;1426979367;asciilifeform;go steal 10000tB. 1063076;1426979373;decimation;heh yeah 1063077;1426979386;decimation;something tells me google security would notice the racks going out the door 1063078;1426979404;asciilifeform;the only way it could really change hands is physical conquest of entire continent 1063079;1426979412;asciilifeform;in the course of which most of it would be destroyed 1063080;1426979454;asciilifeform;since mircea_popescu is out, i will fill in for him and observe that library of alexandria burning is no loss, when cockroaches evolve and replace man they will rediscover everything. 1063081;1426979497;asciilifeform;i kinda wish i could think myself into the mindset of 'immortal olympian' that way 1063082;1426979519;asciilifeform;but i happen to live here. and to me the availability of this or that piece of dead tree - matters. 1063083;1426979555;decimation;agreed, me too 1063084;1426979580;decimation;asciilifeform: how do you 'scan and post' a book? I just fujitsu scansnap 1063085;1426979590;decimation;s/just/use 1063086;1426979607;asciilifeform;decimation: tripod 1063087;1426979621;asciilifeform;like the old spies with their 'minox' cams. 1063088;1426979667;decimation;do you have a collection of custom scripts to turn a pile of images into a pdf/djvu 1063089;1426979706;trinque;asciilifeform: is the situation that google bought deja news then didn't put up the whole archive? 1063090;1426979723;trinque;I'm not old enough to have experienced a usenet golden age 1063091;1426979830;PeterL;I used a couple "google groups" for a while, before I moved up to the bitcoinTalk forum 1063092;1426979831;decimation;trinque: in the olden days it was expected your local isp would provide a usenet server and collect archives 1063093;1426979838;asciilifeform;trinque: nope 1063094;1426979855;asciilifeform;trinque: it's in there, as far as i can tell, but quietly stopped being searchable a year or so ago 1063095;1426979869;trinque;ah 1063096;1426979878;asciilifeform;and before that, they glommed it into their idiot 'google groups' thing 1063097;1426979884;decimation;'deja news' was kinda like the original 'stack overflow' in terms of its usefulness to troubleshooting common computer issues 1063098;1426979886;asciilifeform;then they stopped making them searchable separately 1063099;1426979887;asciilifeform;then - at all 1063100;1426979925;asciilifeform;i still can't tell if it was mere neglect, or shitgnomery, or specifically the folks who posted silly things on usenet in the '80-'90s are trying to run for political office, or what. 1063101;1426979927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00027377 = 12.5387 BTC [-] {2} 1063102;1426979948;trinque;quip above about the fall was that I'm sure inside google it's easy to access all this information, regardless of what levers the external surface has 1063103;1426979971;decimation;I doubt 99% of folks inside google even know/care 1063104;1426979974;asciilifeform;trinque: they bought up the dejanews optical disks. and i'm be rather surprised if they didn't still have them. 1063105;1426979980;trinque;decimation: probably doesn't matter 1063106;1426980020;decimation;the assumption of competence when it comes to a big bureaucracy is generally a poor one 1063107;1426980042;asciilifeform;say what you like about library of alexandria, but usenet '85-'2000 was home to virtually all of the technically competent folks who exist today. 1063108;1426980044;trinque;asciilifeform's two govts observation about the US I think applies to Googles as well 1063109;1426980055;trinque;who gives a fuck who's working on gmail 1063110;1426980076;trinque;the company has more information than arguably any other, and is building a robot army 1063111;1426980079;trinque;haha 1063112;1426980085;trinque;they'll be powerful for a long time. 1063113;1426980086;decimation;I don't buy that there is a meta-google 1063114;1426980121;trinque;I don't buy that such overtly, cynically powerful entities have not a single functioning brain within 1063115;1426980151;decimation;the same could be said about the us in general 1063116;1426980187;trinque;"don't be evil" has to be the cheesiest wink at the camera of all time 1063117;1426980200;decimation;I like moldbug's theory: those 'with a brain' are generally engaged in spending all their time battling each other 1063118;1426980232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23544 @ 0.00027425 = 6.4569 BTC [+] {2} 1063119;1426980234;PeterL;I wonder if google is cacheing the info on servers outside the US, so they could outlast a US collapse? 1063120;1426980382;trinque;lockheed martins and googles are what I expect to remain in the ashes 1063121;1426980395;trinque;which ones are actually prepared for the collapse, we'll find out then 1063122;1426980403;trinque;but to think none of them are, that's naive 1063123;1426980417;trinque;day two, and we're back to clubs and wearing skins 1063124;1426980438;jurov;if the collapse will look like anything in the ostbloc 1063125;1426980450;jurov;all gear will be gon to scrap metal or so 1063126;1426980488;asciilifeform;the 'fine things of life' invariably are destroyed in a proper collapse. 1063127;1426980497;asciilifeform;where is soviet physics? mathematics ? 1063128;1426980520;pete_dushenski;like... twin studies 1063129;1426980521;trinque;asciilifeform: silos are still there, as far as I know 1063130;1426980524;asciilifeform;the folks not dead of drink have been driving cabs in nyc for so long as to have put their generative years firmly behind. 1063131;1426980536;asciilifeform;trinque: not speaking of the rusty rockets at all 1063132;1426980539;pete_dushenski;unless someone can point me to mengele's published paper 1063133;1426980540;trinque;asciilifeform: I am 1063134;1426980544;pete_dushenski;paper* 1063135;1426980553;trinque;rustry drones maybe 1063136;1426980556;trinque;*rusty 1063137;1426980560;asciilifeform;but of the absolutely first-rate, never-equalled academic work 1063138;1426980568;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: wrong twin studies 1063139;1426980588;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: speaking here of the longitudinal studies of adopted children in usa 1063140;1426980596;asciilifeform;(re: twin studies from last night's thread.) 1063141;1426980611;pete_dushenski;aic 1063142;1426980621;asciilifeform;l0l re: pete_dushenski immediately thinking of mengele's twins 1063143;1426980624;pete_dushenski;also interesting, i suppose 1063144;1426980654;pete_dushenski;haha what... i was trying to hunt down some nazi scientific papers last night 1063145;1426980664;pete_dushenski;in english, found nothing 1063146;1426980671;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: all the good stuff was taken to usa and is, for the most part, still secret 1063147;1426980686;asciilifeform;(not because it included superweapons but to conceal the amount of u.s.-nazi cooperation from day one) 1063148;1426980692;pete_dushenski;i'm generally curious about the merits of their decade and change of research 1063149;1426980711;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: ibm, i know of 1063150;1426980718;asciilifeform;not about ibm 1063151;1426980720;pete_dushenski;what other cooperation do you refer to ? 1063152;1426980741;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: chemical industry, for instance 1063153;1426980752;pete_dushenski;sarin ? 1063154;1426980762;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: plus the post-war rescue of virtually all of the weirdos (most famously von braun but many others) 1063155;1426980838;pete_dushenski;my digging was more concentration camp focused, but i guess you bring up a good point that there's was a huge breadth of inquiry at the time 1063156;1426980856;pete_dushenski;chemical weapons, v2 rockets, many things i have still to learn of 1063157;1426980868;pete_dushenski;*there was 1063158;1426980933;asciilifeform;unfortunately pete_dushenski is right about the unavailability in english of most of the interesting material. 1063159;1426980948;pete_dushenski;hm well alexandria may have been replaceable/rediscoverable, but if nazi work goes down with usg, how long do we wait ? 1063160;1426980979;pete_dushenski;if anyone can point me towards interesting work in german, i'll translate it for cripes sake 1063161;1426980992;pete_dushenski;unrelated: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/21/cool-hand-luke/ << asciilifeform did i get the right grigorenko ?? 1063162;1426980994;assbot;Cool Hand Luke. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk0oZu ) 1063163;1426981022;*;asciilifeform is not convinced that there was anything interesting in 'nazi academia' that we aren't already using in consumer tech (german chemical work, mostly, manufacturing techniques) 1063164;1426981039;decimation;pete_dushenski: sprechen Sie Deutsch? 1063165;1426981054;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: how about medicine ? 1063166;1426981062;pete_dushenski;decimation: nein... 1063167;1426981065;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: him. he has a book, about his life and how he was tormented in punitive psych hospitals 1063168;1426981082;decimation;asciilifeform: I know that the german chemical industry was also generally transported to usg 1063169;1426981092;pete_dushenski;in german, i have hello, goodbye, sorry, counting to 10, and a few other random words 1063170;1426981097;pete_dushenski;about on par with my hebrew 1063171;1426981110;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: you would do just as well to learn ru 1063172;1426981136;pete_dushenski;i can see it 1063173;1426981183;pete_dushenski;though if i could add any 4th language, just for reading comprehension even, it'd be german 1063174;1426981194;trinque;pete_dushenski: ich lerne deutsche mit duolingo 1063175;1426981205;trinque;barely toddler level, but the app's fun 1063176;1426981205;decimation;unfortunately german isn't as useful today because germany has been well-anglicized 1063177;1426981231;pete_dushenski;trinque: haha i actually did a few lessons on there ! back when i started 'sabbatical' 1063178;1426981293;pete_dushenski;on the spendier side, there's always rosetta stone, but having someone to speak to other than my mother would be nice 1063179;1426981308;pete_dushenski;i really don't know any other german speakers with whom to converse 1063180;1426981333;pete_dushenski;but as i said earlier, reading comprehension would be the most valuable for my purposes 1063181;1426981337;pete_dushenski;i mean, causes ;) 1063182;1426981366;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the quoted log in your post reads with great difficulty because of the choice of snips 1063183;1426981380;pete_dushenski;hm. let me try again 1063184;1426981689;pete_dushenski;one of the trickier conversations to break up, i admit, but it's a little better now. 1063185;1426981731;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/14/the-world-is-fundamentally-hostile/#comment-13298 << heh. 'what makes me superior ?' 1063186;1426981733;assbot;The world is fundamentally hostile. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/19He3nK ) 1063187;1426981743;pete_dushenski;good question, really. 1063188;1426981783;pete_dushenski;i guess teh jooz can always be blamed, right ? 1063189;1426981967;pete_dushenski;so qntra business cards... i can dig it. 1063190;1426982306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.000272 = 14.8512 BTC [-] {2} 1063191;1426983257;felipelalli;thestringpuller: but "the repayment rate" does not depends (also) on the investor? He can choose the investments he wants to make. I was being lucky, or I made good choices. 1063192;1426983257;felipelalli;vorandrew: thanks for explain your point. 1063193;1426983257;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: "felipelalli it actually already works like that." << what exactly "works like that"? Sorry, I couldn't link it. --- And thanks for the links, I'll read it. 1063194;1426984550;felipelalli;thestringpuller: but "the repayment rate" does not depends (also) on the investor? He can choose the investments he wants to make. I was being lucky, or I made good choices. 1063195;1426984554;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: "felipelalli it actually already works like that." << what exactly "works like that"? Sorry, I couldn't link it. --- And thanks for the links, I'll read it. 1063196;1426984577;felipelalli;vorandrew: you said "you repay all year just to get max rating" << no, no. The service does not work like that. Actually, if you get too many loans your score can decrease. The score is very bad implemented / executed yet, but it is not SO bad like that. And 660K BTC? Well, they played in TOTAL until today 44K BTC. Total. I like the idea of P2P lending: it is not the most secure investment ever but at least is fun play choosing the 1063197;1426984578;felipelalli;right lists, and the right rates. I really want to understand better why you guys dislike it so much. In my country the interest rates are very high. In my bank, for example, I can get a loan with 7% per month MIN! APR 125% and in BTCJam I made some tests and I could get my first loand with 3% per month (42% APR) and then the second 2.8% (39% APR). The loan is so fucking high in bank that I can say like mircea_popescu said: "we are 1063198;1426984578;felipelalli;like a village without bank". You guys forget that I live in Brazil, shit of country. 1063199;1426985602;Pierre_Rochard;You guys forget that I live in Brazil, shit of country. << Is btcjam really a better borrowing option than, say, https://www.itau.com.br/creditos-financiamentos/credito/ 1063200;1426985603;assbot;Itaú - créditos e financiamentos - crédito ... ( http://bit.ly/19HiBud ) 1063201;1426986267;felipelalli;Pierre_Rochard: yes. Itaú is my bank. 1063202;1426986365;felipelalli;Itaú normal interest rate: 7% PER MONTH. My interest rate in Itaú (because I am an old client): 4.8%. BTCJam: 2.8%. It makes a huge difference when you calculate the compound interest per year. 1063203;1426986517;felipelalli;But now, BTCJam simply eliminated the free market where the user could choose its own interest rate (and let it free to investors fund or not), and they automagically calculate the interest rate. With this new rule, I can get by 3.5% per month. That is not a huge problem for me, actually, I was using this more like a test. But they simply buried the "service". Even if it was a zombie's forehead shot. 1063204;1426986638;PeterL;asciilifeform: on the topic of browsing lit, have you looked at open access journals like http://www.hindawi.com/ ? 1063205;1426986639;assbot;Hindawi Publishing Corporation ... ( http://bit.ly/19HjHWM ) 1063206;1426986743;felipelalli;I'm sure I could set 2% rate or less and my list would be fund, because my reputation in Brazilian bitcoin community is very good. But now I have no choice rather than get 3.5% calculated like magic by them. That's why I was disgusted. I would write an article about that, but after talking with you guys in this channel I was unmotivated. 1063207;1426986816;felipelalli;I had never thought that they did not deserve even taken seriously, but it seems to make sense. 1063208;1426986847;felipelalli;PeterL: what is the rate per month you can get where you live? I heard it is much less than here. 1063209;1426986874;felipelalli;PeterL: sorry, the question was to Pierre_Rochard 1063210;1426987076;Pierre_Rochard;Pierre_Rochard: I think the worst credit cards run for 2% per month, 30 yr fixed rate mortgage with good credit will cost you 0.33% per month 1063211;1426987097;Pierre_Rochard;ehrm felipelalli 1063212;1426987295;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: aha, that's why all the butthurt 1063213;1426987307;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: yes! :) 1063214;1426987529;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: I thought it was a global problem, but I learned here that: 1) there are rich guys (you guys) that really don't care about it. 2) there are guys with rich friends :) 3) your interest rate are ridiculous cheap. BTCJam really don't solve anything to you. 1063215;1426987593;felipelalli;and, of course, 4) there are better investments than BTCJam to you. 1063216;1426987624;ben_vulpes;aside one can't actually invest in BTCJam as such. 1063217;1426987653;felipelalli;They could invest on me there. I was a very secure investment, e.g. 1063218;1426987842;felipelalli;So, this: http://blog.btcjam.com/2015/03/19/btcjam-introduces-risk-based-pricing-interest-rates-set-automatically-by-credit-score/ makes me "cry". I ran to qntra.net to read something about that and for my surprise I didn't find anything. But now I understand why. Not fully yet, but I can at least understand your point of view. 1063219;1426987844;assbot;BTCJam Introduces Risk Based Pricing (Interest Rates Set Automatically by Credit Score) | BTCJam Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hhcebi ) 1063220;1426987884;PeterL;you might be a fine investment, but btcjam is not 1063221;1426987964;felipelalli;But I could easily be found there. And I have personal friends there, that I know it is a secure investment. That's why I only had profit, very few lost. 1063222;1426988009;felipelalli;Actually it was easy to find red flags in the lists. Unfortunately their system does not help that much, but if you are smart, you can see the clues. 1063223;1426988014;PeterL;see, you had wot ouside of btcjam that made those investments worthwhile 1063224;1426988030;felipelalli;Yes! PeterL Exactly. 1063225;1426988099;felipelalli;They were just like a tool to make easy contact 30 friends at the same time, and make it in 5 min. (actually in this 30 friends there were friends of friends, like level 2 in WoT)) 1063226;1426988363;felipelalli;And it makes more impersonal and passive. Instead to make a spam asking for money to your family and friends (active and personal), you can just publish the list (passive and impersonal) and anyone can invest if they want, or just ignore. Like 5 people I know personally invest their first 30% and the rest was "friends of friends". It just worked to me because I had a good "outside WoT". 1063227;1426988550;ben_vulpes;a good scammatron has totally legitimate uses and users. 1063228;1426988554;ben_vulpes;well 1063229;1426988560;ben_vulpes;one breed of good scammatrons. 1063230;1426988603;felipelalli;LOL 1063231;1426988605;PeterL;it is easier for scammers to hide if there are legitamate users around them 1063232;1426988681;felipelalli;PeterL: ugly truth. 1063233;1426989025;danielpbarron;felipelalli, get your friends in here 1063234;1426989046;danielpbarron;no reason you guys have to stop lending at your prefered rates 1063235;1426989053;PeterL;do the speak english? 1063236;1426989073;felipelalli;PeterL: no, Portuguese. 1063237;1426989098;felipelalli;danielpbarron: I'm trying to convince some of them to use OTC system at least. 1063238;1426989111;ben_vulpes;at the very least they need to be in the WoT 1063239;1426989116;ben_vulpes;for their own continued health. 1063240;1426989123;felipelalli;But did you understand my point of make it automatic, fast, impersonal and passive? It is different. 1063241;1426989134;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/users-of-evo-marketplace-btc-e-are-like-two-peas-in-a-pod/ 1063242;1426989149;ben_vulpes;all of the above is why btcjam is a scam from the -assets perspective. 1063243;1426989162;ben_vulpes;trust cannot be automatic, is built slowly, must be on personal terms, and contracts are always active. 1063244;1426989173;ben_vulpes;this "passive investment" routine is a holdover from the fiat days. 1063245;1426989184;ben_vulpes;of necessity, it must die. 1063246;1426989226;felipelalli;I am not saying the trust should be automatic or fast. But the funding process. 1063247;1426989227;PeterL;but you can passively invest with a broker who is in the WoT 1063248;1426989250;felipelalli;Like jurov ? 1063249;1426989251;ben_vulpes;funding is as fast as a confirmation. 1063250;1426989264;ben_vulpes;PeterL: who's taking investment? 1063251;1426989280;PeterL;I was thinking like Jurov, yes 1063252;1426989300;felipelalli;He said something like that to me one day. 1063253;1426989341;asciilifeform;PeterL: have you looked at open access journals like http://www.hindawi.com/ ? << even if, through divine intervention, everyone suddenly began to publish there (they won't) - this doesn't solve the 20th century 1063254;1426989342;assbot;Hindawi Publishing Corporation ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhgTdo ) 1063255;1426989360;asciilifeform;PeterL: where most of the things i take an interest in actually happened. 1063256;1426989423;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what do you mean by 'passive investment' ? 1063257;1426989423;PeterL;you just need a couple slave girls with some cameras to tour all teh libraries 1063258;1426989434;asciilifeform;PeterL: see 'ooda loop' discussion 1063259;1426989464;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: something like MPIF 1063260;1426989472;asciilifeform;even aside from the ooda loop, the #1 thing in a library is serendipity 1063261;1426989575;felipelalli;Let me ask one think out of the context: isn't gpg contract useless without some "proof of existence", published in Blockchain, e.g.? 1063262;1426989576;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what would be an example of an active investment ? 1063263;1426989591;PeterL;MPIF is sorely lacking in places to put its money 1063264;1426989609;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: allocating capital oneself between MPOE/BBET/BTC 1063265;1426989617;ben_vulpes;am i misusing these terms? 1063266;1426989673;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: so is your hypothesis that allocating btc between investments is so difficult and/or uninteresting that no one can do it for you for a fee and there still be anything left over to work with ? 1063267;1426989709;*;asciilifeform is eminently unqualified to comment on the hypothesis itself, if this is it 1063268;1426989734;ben_vulpes;no, my hypothesis is that the current us style of "just stick the money in the market and get returns" is slated for the guillotine under the new regime. 1063269;1426989754;mircea_popescu;^ 1063270;1426989793;PeterL;You don't see a niche for a mutual fund covering MPEx? 1063271;1426989796;ben_vulpes;in practice, i'm unaware of anyone offering to manage btc between MPOE/BBET/NSA/BTC for a fee. 1063272;1426989821;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i was thinking about a hypothetical larger world where there are many worthwhile things 1063273;1426989836;ben_vulpes;some day, ideally. 1063274;1426989848;asciilifeform;say, S.USFAT 1063275;1426989856;PeterL;once a few more stocks show up on the exchange 1063276;1426989864;asciilifeform;(rendering various organisms for soap, a growth industry in the near future) 1063277;1426989878;mod6;:D 1063278;1426989901;PeterL;maybe I could run that? pretty simple chemical reaction, really 1063279;1426989903;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/03/google-adsense-spying.htm << mega-l0l 1063280;1426989904;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhiMqr ) 1063281;1426989952;mircea_popescu;what's usfat ? 1063282;1426989959;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: u.s. fat. 1063283;1426989961;mircea_popescu;lol 1063284;1426989974;PeterL;organisms, like tilapia? http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jchem/2015/265160/ 1063285;1426989975;assbot;Characterization of the Fatty Acids Present in Wastewaters from Production of Biodiesel Tilapia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhiYpB ) 1063286;1426989982;asciilifeform;no, like homo redditicus 1063287;1426989987;mircea_popescu;i know a girl that makes soaps and stuff. she wouldn't touch the coarse stuff. 1063288;1426990004;mircea_popescu;contrary to what they claim in fight club, best fat base is like, various nut oils etc. 1063289;1426990011;asciilifeform;then diesel. 1063290;1426990055;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1063291;1426990056;*;asciilifeform firmly convinced that there are no entirely useless things in this world 1063292;1426990062;mircea_popescu;oil at 45 a barrel tho... 1063293;1426990062;asciilifeform;not even redditors 1063294;1426990075;ben_vulpes;by the time the corpses are available, they'll have scavenged their own fat prior to dying. 1063295;1426990080;mircea_popescu;how about sitching footballs ? 1063296;1426990081;ben_vulpes;you've seen the auschwitz photos... 1063297;1426990108;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there is a hypothesis that this will not happen this time around. because of sudden release of fat-soluble poisons 1063298;1426990120;asciilifeform;that weren't there in '40s 1063299;1426990121;ben_vulpes;oh yeah? 1063300;1426990129;ben_vulpes;i'm unfamiliar with this hypothesis 1063301;1426990139;asciilifeform;aha. has not been tested in practice, afaik 1063302;1426990145;asciilifeform;and i forget who suggested it to me 1063303;1426990151;ben_vulpes;what's the gist, though 1063304;1426990161;ben_vulpes;mustard gas...again? 1063305;1426990164;asciilifeform;the gist is that folks will croak long before they turn auschwitz-thin 1063306;1426990178;asciilifeform;on account of various strange in their american diet 1063307;1426990182;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's exactly it. american fat is more like, chemdump 1063308;1426990194;mircea_popescu;everything the liver culdn't cope with, got stored on the thighs 1063309;1426990212;mircea_popescu;and yes it has been tested in practice. 1063310;1426990213;ben_vulpes;blee 1063311;1426990220;mircea_popescu;by me. on actual live womenz. 1063312;1426990237;asciilifeform;and malnutrition turns the organism uniquely underequipped to deal with the released crud. 1063313;1426990249;PeterL;so we need to render and extract the usians before making them into soap 1063314;1426990254;mircea_popescu;not even malnutrition. simple sane diet will make the woman sick, anemic, the works. 1063315;1426990256;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what happens, roughly ? 1063316;1426990257;ben_vulpes;an exercise in slimming down a rubenesque babe lead to...liver prazlems? 1063317;1426990260;asciilifeform;aha 1063318;1426990275;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all the classical symptoms of light poisoning. 1063319;1426990292;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what was diet prior? 1063320;1426990300;mircea_popescu;"us food" 1063321;1426990313;PeterL;us "food" 1063322;1426990319;mircea_popescu;also. 1063323;1426990322;ben_vulpes;"us" "food" 1063324;1426990326;ben_vulpes;(for symmetry) 1063325;1426990339;felipelalli;"us" food 1063326;1426990339;asciilifeform;'eat recycled food!' (TM) 1063327;1426990347;mircea_popescu;"us "food"" technically. first set because answer to q, 2nd set because well... 1063328;1426990370;ben_vulpes;heh. 1063329;1426990395;mircea_popescu;but you can readily notice the pure chemical osmotic source of "weight gain" when the woman eats 50% more calories and loses weight. 1063330;1426990426;ben_vulpes;body building fat reserves to park toxic crap in? 1063331;1426990431;mircea_popescu;in general, you gotta overfeed to lose weight. because the only way the body is even touching some of that stuff is if the liver is full of all sorts of micronutrients to render it with 1063332;1426990434;mircea_popescu;yup 1063333;1426990464;ben_vulpes;what are the limiting reactants? 1063334;1426990475;mircea_popescu;then after a year or two as the body re-learns to associate food with micronutrients - all sorts of urges, as it approaches various layers of problems 1063335;1426990476;asciilifeform;almost sounds like the '80s 'chelation' theory 1063336;1426990486;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i honestly think it's exactly accurate. 1063337;1426990503;*;asciilifeform suspected but did not know 1063338;1426990507;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i dunno dood. milk's a big thing. various fats, various vegetals. 1063339;1426990528;PeterL;I'm guessing colorful vegtables help? 1063340;1426990538;mircea_popescu;one chick went through a chickpea phase where she ate > 100 cans over about a year. half of it within the first season. 1063341;1426990546;mircea_popescu;"what do you want to eat today ?" "chickpeas" 1063342;1426990615;*;asciilifeform looks for al schwartz's table of plant toxins; can't find at the moment, but recalls that chickpeas were near the top for something or other 1063343;1426990658;mircea_popescu;i think it was either a protein or fat that was needed for god knows what. because phase passed. 1063344;1426990679;mircea_popescu;sadly i don't have the patience or the tools to actually get into the microchemistry of it 1063345;1426990689;asciilifeform;;;google lathyrism 1063346;1426990690;gribble;Lathyrism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Lathyrism: a neurotoxic disease.: ; Lathyrism | Doctor | Patient.co.uk: 1063347;1426990697;asciilifeform;hm not chickpeas 1063348;1426990723;mircea_popescu;im 100% sure this is where all the "Fad diet" stuff comes from too. 1063349;1426990742;mircea_popescu;people still stuck in the soup get at the margins various such desperate cries from body. 1063350;1426990760;mircea_popescu;some make it through 1063351;1426990770;mircea_popescu;hence the idiocy of "eat nothing else but ...." 1063352;1426990780;mircea_popescu;really it should be "leave the states and eat ... to your fill". 1063353;1426990791;mircea_popescu;but o may gawd, leaving THE COUNTRY, unthinkable. 1063354;1426990792;ben_vulpes;STEAK 1063355;1426990794;ben_vulpes;VINO 1063356;1426990810;mircea_popescu;i have no experience with men. 1063357;1426990810;*;asciilifeform wonders if anyone ever polled, who would leave if could 1063358;1426990818;asciilifeform;or whether such a thing even makes sense 1063359;1426990827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just sayin', doesn't occur to them. 1063360;1426990838;asciilifeform;doesn't occur !?! 1063361;1426990844;ben_vulpes;nope. 1063362;1426990855;asciilifeform;how many folks in usa went on an airplane even once? did it not occur to not buy return ticket? 1063363;1426990859;asciilifeform;even as thought experiment 1063364;1426990863;PeterL;this is the best country evar, why would I leave? 1063365;1426990868;ben_vulpes;"but muh jerb" 1063366;1426990888;mircea_popescu;PeterL it has its disadvantages. 1063367;1426990903;asciilifeform;'Kazakhstan! greatest country in the world! all other countrys are run by little girls...' (tm) 1063368;1426990923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem with jurisdictions discussed recentlier is deeper than it seems. plenty of usians do not think other places are "real places". 1063369;1426990929;PeterL;plus, most of them would say they *could* leave, if they wanted to 1063370;1426990944;ben_vulpes;lol 1063371;1426990950;ben_vulpes;i *would* leave if i *could* 1063372;1426990957;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is not accidental. folks who travel from usa to english-speaking (or most western eu in general) aren't actually leaving the empire 1063373;1426990963;asciilifeform;and hence 'not real places' is factual 1063374;1426990963;mircea_popescu;which is why stuff like "putin doesn't understand how thw world works" can be said with a straight face 1063375;1426990973;mircea_popescu;for a good chunk of the audience, this is actually so. it's not even a real country. 1063376;1426991022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, because they stick to the touristy traps anywhere. stopped for coffee earlier at whorehouse cafe, table across two lost derps with ipad propped on "south america on a shoestring". muy confused. 1063377;1426991035;asciilifeform;'Ist dis Nazi Land so good? Would you leave it if you could? Ja, dis Nazi Land ist good! We would leave if we could.' ('der fuhrer's face', 1942) 1063378;1426991044;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: oh hey can we do the whorehouse cafe? 1063379;1426991050;mircea_popescu;haha, re that, must has animaniacs 1063380;1426991052;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes sure. 1063381;1426991066;asciilifeform;that was a 'donald duck' 1063382;1426991067;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI3tGgD4nMk 1063383;1426991068;assbot;Animaniacs - Schnitzelbank - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhmK2g ) 1063384;1426991074;mircea_popescu;remake. 1063385;1426991118;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzH1iaKVsBM << classic 1063386;1426991120;assbot;Donald Duck der Nazi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhmX5r ) 1063387;1426991280;ben_vulpes; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI3tGgD4nMk << "americans ruin everything" - lady v 1063388;1426991281;assbot;Animaniacs - Schnitzelbank - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhnxQO ) 1063389;1426991287;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: "but muh jerb" << when you open a metal shop in #b-a, perhaps i can go and work sweeping floor there. 1063390;1426991295;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes lol 1063391;1426991350;ben_vulpes;myeah she's a chuckle. 1063392;1426991365;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it'll probably be well outside of city limits 1063393;1426991373;ben_vulpes;nearer that southern port city 1063394;1426991511;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nknPYKw2QM 1063395;1426991512;assbot;U.S. Army - Booby Traps - Banned Cartoons - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJqk7y ) 1063396;1426991679;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062798 << you know ? just as unthinkable as the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063368 1063397;1426991679;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 21:00:49; asciilifeform: the option of not having the bugs is presented as not even thinkable. 1063398;1426991679;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 02:22:03; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with jurisdictions discussed recentlier is deeper than it seems. plenty of usians do not think other places are "real places". 1063399;1426991689;mircea_popescu;lots of "unthinkables" needed to keep the soviets going. 1063400;1426991820;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062825 << how the fuck is this open source. 1063401;1426991820;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 21:47:01; decimation: the developer in question had already made a deal with apple to publish the app apparently. I couldn't even compile my own version unsigned for my own personal use 1063402;1426991838;mircea_popescu;apple "open" : we'll give you some fiction to read while the thing boots ? 1063403;1426991842;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rms has a term of art for it, 'tivoization' 1063404;1426991850;mircea_popescu;mhm 1063405;1426991964;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062860 << except a)nobody trusts it and b) it doesn't actually trust anyone. lots of scammy devs make it on account of w/e fee. 1063406;1426991964;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 21:56:58; decimation: on the other hand, perhaps apple is just trying to 'enumerate goodness' in its 'forced wot' 1063407;1426991975;mircea_popescu;heck, zinga still exists on apple right ? 1063408;1426992033;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062877 << since no more welfare, so idiots either starve or slave. 1063409;1426992033;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 21:59:40; nubbins`: *i* won't buy it, but since when does the market cater to rational actors? 1063410;1426992105;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062896 << this is kinda how the illegal racing world works. 1063411;1426992105;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 22:02:30; pete_dushenski: buy a honda, insert own custom ferrari engine 1063412;1426992166;cazalla;felipelalli: I ran to qntra.net to read something about that and for my surprise I didn't find anything. But now I understand why. Not fully yet, but I can at least understand your point of view. <<< fwiw i would never lend bitcoin to people on btcjam regardless of their ability to pay back, i'd never use the site to borrow either, so i guess it's not so difficult to see why i would not write a story on it either 1063413;1426992210;cazalla;felipelalli, if you only use it to borrow, i don't really see the problem with you using it, but i'd never lend 1063414;1426992223;mircea_popescu;how are silk road copycats supposed to make enough to run away with if you won't give the pillheads "loans" yo ? 1063415;1426992227;mircea_popescu;think of the children! 1063416;1426992256;ben_vulpes;we've been looking into the apple "enterprise deployment" story of late 1063417;1426992262;ben_vulpes;always keeping in mind that it is a rug 1063418;1426992275;mircea_popescu;^ 1063419;1426992278;ben_vulpes;and the ghost of steve is yet prepared to rip it out from beneath us 1063420;1426992286;mircea_popescu;i briefly considered adding an apple apps thing for s.mg 1063421;1426992290;mircea_popescu;the idea... died. 1063422;1426992310;ben_vulpes;apple is pretty much anathema to the #b-a approach to compute. 1063423;1426992333;mircea_popescu;or to any approach that includes anyone but apple making money. 1063424;1426992364;ben_vulpes;one of the reasons i'm not targeting macos for RI builds. 1063425;1426992398;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062973 << isn't that how that kid got shot with a nailgun by andreas antonoderpopolous ? 1063426;1426992398;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 22:31:05; decimation: sure, let me know if you find an open repo with all academic pubs present, updated regularly 1063427;1426992432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00027195 = 12.9584 BTC [-] 1063428;1426992457;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1062976 << in this vein : http://40.media.tumblr.com/982abc36543d4b8bab3d12582b23fab6/tumblr_mw5pbmKA9N1t16d43o1_1280.jpg 1063429;1426992457;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 22:33:07; nubbins`: fwiw "everything is online now" people generally miss out on a broad spectrum of opportunity 1063430;1426992460;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hhr7dM ) 1063431;1426992493;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminiscent of anthill chick 1063432;1426992518;mircea_popescu;notrly. this is fun. 1063433;1426992557;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063000 << alf was wikibinging before it was cool. 1063434;1426992557;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 22:40:21; asciilifeform: most of the time when i go to that library it isn't even for a specific rational purpose 1063435;1426992623;danielpbarron;in comments for that disney nazi thing: "Who im german and I dont like this we are nice and hittler whs the only bad german" 1063436;1426992644;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063019 << nah, only some of them. we're ignoring most of it : http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ 1063437;1426992644;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 22:51:01; PeterL: new #B-A need: print off all the articles and store in a library 1063438;1426992644;assbot;How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdlojA ) 1063439;1426992657;mircea_popescu;but i can envisage the day when a) all science is published via b-a, and to read... get in wot 1063440;1426992733;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063033 << at least originally. prolly split off on its own thing once it gets big. 1063441;1426992733;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 22:55:01; PeterL: would deedbot be a suitable place to publish scientific research? 1063442;1426992803;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063048 << same mechanbism as to produce the good code separately. sign and wot. 1063443;1426992803;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 22:59:27; asciilifeform: we don't have a mechanism for producing the good stuff separately, yet. 1063444;1426992818;asciilifeform;nono not that part 1063445;1426992821;asciilifeform;the what-do-they-eat. 1063446;1426992878;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063058 << that's basically gossipd. 1063447;1426992878;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 23:04:58; trinque: asciilifeform: I have long wanted a system where member nodes can all publish wads 'o gpg stuff, peers don't know the contents of the wad, give each-other redundancy 1063448;1426992892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eat ? 1063449;1426992896;mircea_popescu;what is this, the future ? 1063450;1426992904;asciilifeform;aha 1063451;1426992909;mircea_popescu;geniuses don't eat 1063452;1426992912;mircea_popescu;geniuses starve. 1063453;1426992928;asciilifeform;[insert army of the dead scene from 'lord of rings'] 1063454;1426992935;asciilifeform;^ best geniuses are undead 1063455;1426992964;mircea_popescu;looky here : ALL the problems of modern academia, from faux psychiatry used to cover up for govt failure to faux "earth sciences" used to cover up for govt failure to the diploma mill etc 1063456;1426992979;felipelalli;Thank you cazalla 1063457;1426992993;mircea_popescu;they ALL stem from the mistaken idea that creators should be able to eat, and the typiocally american (ie, fucktarded and grossly ignorant) solutions attempted. 1063458;1426993014;mircea_popescu;the moment creation is +EV, all the narcisists flood in and destroy thinking. 1063459;1426993026;asciilifeform;they ALL stem from the mistaken idea that creators should be able to eat << mircea_popescu suggests they should photosynthesize ? 1063460;1426993035;mircea_popescu;stick with the day job. 1063461;1426993042;mircea_popescu;thinking can never be a job. 1063462;1426993080;danielpbarron;felipelalli, are you familiar with deedbot? 1063463;1426993085;cazalla;felipelalli, also i don't place much faith in how they identify people, a driver's licence, electricity bill.. worth just as much as newly created wot identity with no feedback.. plus the sort of person who needs to borrow $500 is the sort of person who would lift things such as a drivers licence from parents/friends/partners wallet anyway 1063464;1426993085;mircea_popescu;all the schmuckodon in "bitcoin business" comes from the completely irrational expectations of all these schmucks that they can earn a living "being" "ceo"s. 1063465;1426993097;felipelalli;danielpbarron: no, I'm sorry. 1063466;1426993116;ben_vulpes;cazalla, felipelalli: identity is not the important bit. trustworthiness is. no drivers license or electric bill proves trustworthiness. 1063467;1426993117;asciilifeform;actual ceo also earns a living 1063468;1426993118;danielpbarron;felipelalli, it's this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063261 1063469;1426993118;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 01:59:35; felipelalli: Let me ask one think out of the context: isn't gpg contract useless without some "proof of existence", published in Blockchain, e.g.? 1063470;1426993127;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not for BEING. 1063471;1426993145;mircea_popescu;he has an actual day job. 1063472;1426993162;cazalla;ben_vulpes, yeah, summed it up better than how i explained it 1063473;1426993184;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: I can't agree more. 1063474;1426993195;asciilifeform;but, typically, not 'day job' in the 'schmuck who will starve after N paycheques skipped' sense 1063475;1426993205;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nevertheless. 1063476;1426993214;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: how many is N to you? 1063477;1426993218;ben_vulpes;2? 1063478;1426993219;ben_vulpes;80? 1063479;1426993230;mircea_popescu;he doesn't have to starve at all. he just has to not expect to suport self by singing-songwriting. 1063480;1426993231;asciilifeform;any integer N meant here 1063481;1426993248;felipelalli;danielpbarron: is that? https://github.com/bitrecruiter/deedBot os something else? 1063482;1426993249;assbot;bitrecruiter/deedBot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hhtxcj ) 1063483;1426993260;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: even the CEO will drain his accounts after...10? 20? years without income. 1063484;1426993271;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how long it would take for herr buffett to drain ? 1063485;1426993273;asciilifeform;soros? 1063486;1426993276;mircea_popescu;felipelalli http://trilema.com/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets-updated 1063487;1426993276;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hhtzkj ) 1063488;1426993283;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no he won't lol. 1063489;1426993295;mircea_popescu;no sane ceo actuallyhas to work, ever. 1063490;1426993296;felipelalli;thx. 1063491;1426993305;ben_vulpes;the americans "CEO" on hookers and blow. 1063492;1426993309;asciilifeform;no sane ceo actuallyhas to work, ever << so then! 1063493;1426993321;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not because he is geniuz! 1063494;1426993324;felipelalli;as a bitcoin gosthbusters are you guys are, is this https://github.com/maraoz/proofofexistence scam? 1063495;1426993325;assbot;maraoz/proofofexistence · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhtHQK ) 1063496;1426993327;mircea_popescu;because he is wealthy. different thing entirely. 1063497;1426993339;mircea_popescu;!s proofofexistence 1063498;1426993340;assbot;7 results for 'proofofexistence' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=proofofexistence 1063499;1426993386;ben_vulpes;"proof of existence" << sad story of not being in the wot and ergo not mattering. 1063500;1426993411;mircea_popescu;pretty much that. 1063501;1426993427;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063080 << i honestly don't give a shit about those 1000tb. for very similar reasons as ^ 1063502;1426993427;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 23:10:54; asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is out, i will fill in for him and observe that library of alexandria burning is no loss, when cockroaches evolve and replace man they will rediscover everything. 1063503;1426993448;mircea_popescu;as discussed in the pseudoscience bit : unless you folks start quoting it to me, it's just another bit of anglowank, couldn't care less. 1063504;1426993460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, neal stephenson (in fiction) proposed a pill against 'the moment creation is +EV, all the narcisists flood in' - monasteries 1063505;1426993474;mircea_popescu;experimentally doesn't work. 1063506;1426993476;asciilifeform;-ev, but no day job, you pay with pain 1063507;1426993480;asciilifeform;and obscurity 1063508;1426993484;mircea_popescu;colleges started out as monasteries. 1063509;1426993494;mircea_popescu;and before those, knighthoods 1063510;1426993499;mircea_popescu;both failed, spectacularly so. 1063511;1426993509;mircea_popescu;took a while, but i suspect more due to slow comms at the time. 1063512;1426993535;ben_vulpes;gotta breed. 1063513;1426993556;ben_vulpes;more importantly, hammer idiocy out of each succesive generation. 1063514;1426993562;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in stephenson's world, they didn't need to. collected unwanted children from outside. 1063515;1426993571;asciilifeform;and grew them with discipline 1063516;1426993574;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063096 << yet another google failure at mattering in social. 1063517;1426993574;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 23:17:58; asciilifeform: and before that, they glommed it into their idiot 'google groups' thing 1063518;1426993575;ben_vulpes;yes, i recall. 1063519;1426993596;ben_vulpes;who though will start this monastery today? 1063520;1426993600;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this modesty... fuck that. collect the most desirable children from outside : teenaged women with big tits. 1063521;1426993609;mircea_popescu;fuck the outside. 1063522;1426993613;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i wasn't suggesting it as a practical recipe. more of an overall reagent. 1063523;1426993641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: collect the most desirable children from outside : teenaged women with big tits << building harem then, not mathematical monastery, i take it. 1063524;1426993646;asciilifeform;we already know how harems built 1063525;1426993662;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063103 << this. they hire "the best", ye, young schmucks. 1063526;1426993662;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 23:19:31; decimation: I doubt 99% of folks inside google even know/care 1063527;1426993680;decimation;http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/20/394340722/john-urschel-ravens-offensive-lineman-publishes-math-paper < big black guy who plays linemen for the baltimore ravens just published a mathmatics paper entitled "A Cascadic Multigrid Algorithm for Computing the Fiedler Vector" 1063528;1426993682;assbot;John Urschel, Ravens Offensive Lineman, Publishes Math Paper : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhuZeI ) 1063529;1426993688;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just making the point that if you're going for your reagent, make the relative situation obvious : the outside world is despised. 1063530;1426993690;decimation;there's some genetic intelligence for you 1063531;1426993718;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the outside world is despised << in the book, this was underscored on every page. and the degeneracy depicted also. 1063532;1426993727;mircea_popescu;well then why take its dregs ? 1063533;1426993728;ben_vulpes;there's a time tested model for this, and it's the noble family. 1063534;1426993731;mircea_popescu;what, are we puritans ? 1063535;1426993758;ben_vulpes;worse, americans with a do-gooder complex. 1063536;1426993762;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if you mean, as in latium, then note octavianus didn't adopt random orphans a la dick tracy. 1063537;1426993764;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wasn't specified as 'dregs' but as children who liked to think and weren't especially missed when inducted 1063538;1426993775;mircea_popescu;take the other ones. 1063539;1426993783;mircea_popescu;like army. take the children women weep for. or men, in this case. 1063540;1426993794;mircea_popescu;let them rebel over it, and be mowed down periodically. 1063541;1426993801;asciilifeform;decimation: re: footballist and maths << napoleon has at least one theorem to his credit 1063542;1426993802;mircea_popescu;that way, at least you know why you're bothering. 1063543;1426993805;ben_vulpes;by their own stolen children. 1063544;1426993818;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes sipahi is the turkish term. 1063545;1426993828;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: janissary corps? why not 1063546;1426993834;mircea_popescu;but with tits. 1063547;1426993839;mircea_popescu;tits make everything better. and also worse. 1063548;1426993864;ben_vulpes;sipahi << yeah. that berber book's really good. 1063549;1426993917;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: how did octavianus meet his adoptees? 1063550;1426993945;mircea_popescu;exactly like we met. in the forum. 1063551;1426993981;ben_vulpes;adoptee* 1063552;1426993983;mircea_popescu;how else are you going to meet people ? 1063553;1426993992;mircea_popescu;in the fucking bus ? 1063554;1426994001;ben_vulpes;here we are again at the "no people outside the forum" checkpoint. 1063555;1426994008;mircea_popescu;quite. 1063556;1426994043;mircea_popescu;if you look at it, the entire history of rome, from kingdom to empire, was basically this : they had a set of benches under some trees somewhere 1063557;1426994050;mircea_popescu;and some guys went to sit. and well... who sits where / 1063558;1426994055;mircea_popescu;this has to be resolved, this question. 1063559;1426994056;mircea_popescu;and it was. 1063560;1426994064;mircea_popescu;ten million dead in galia. 1063561;1426994065;decimation;ben_vulpes: no, my hypothesis is that the current us style of "just stick the money in the market and get returns" is slated for the guillotine under the new regime. < the problem isn't the passive returns, the problem is that schmoes off the street can invest 1063562;1426994072;mircea_popescu;three vultures lost in the east. 1063563;1426994073;mircea_popescu;etc. 1063564;1426994100;decimation;anything that is 'mass adopted' is nearly by definition some kind of scam 1063565;1426994102;ben_vulpes; three vultures lost in the east. << i do not get this reference. 1063566;1426994130;asciilifeform;the 'day job' thing is more complicated than looks on the surface. a medieval serf, for instance, served for a much smaller fraction of his waking time than i or ben_vulpes do 1063567;1426994136;asciilifeform;(elementary calculation re: taxation) 1063568;1426994161;ben_vulpes;decimation: "schmoes" << that they have anything to invest in the first place is due to the american democracy/communism thing, from there we quickly hit the "one day bitcoin will make us all royals, and when can i lop the peasants heads off again?" checkpoint 1063569;1426994168;asciilifeform;or even a generation ago, rough 'cost of life' in civilized works was a fraction of today's 1063570;1426994171;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes at some point a roman army was defeated, a total of three aquillae (legion header) were lost. the romans spent a century trying to get them back, at one point famously excavating a few square miles o land 1063571;1426994199;felipelalli;why deedbot- is rejecting my key? I sent http://pastebin.com/R0cK3111 and it says: "Bad URL or network outage." I also tried http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=R0cK3111 with the same effect 1063572;1426994201;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: SKS 1.1.5 Comment: Hostname: pgp - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhwXMa ) 1063573;1426994202;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhwY2w ) 1063574;1426994218;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: pastebin is banned. 1063575;1426994224;mircea_popescu;it is ?! 1063576;1426994229;ben_vulpes;yes. 1063577;1426994232;mircea_popescu;trinque can it accept any url yet ? 1063578;1426994234;ben_vulpes;lf/cr idiocy. 1063579;1426994244;mircea_popescu;hm 1063580;1426994252;mircea_popescu;felipelalli use dpaste.com ad interim 1063581;1426994253;ben_vulpes;well i've no idea how trinque's configured deedbot-, that's not my problem. 1063582;1426994258;felipelalli;I also tried to paste my key there and I was disconnected due to "flood" 1063583;1426994268;mircea_popescu;well yes, you're not supposed to do that. 1063584;1426994272;ben_vulpes;i'm just pointing out that pastebin's not allowed in these parts. 1063585;1426994292;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: so update the blog entry. 1063586;1426994294;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: re vultures < aaah 1063587;1426994301;mircea_popescu;which entry ? 1063588;1426994303;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: thank you! I'll try dpaste.com 1063589;1426994309;felipelalli;http://trilema.com/2015/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets-updated/ 1063590;1426994309;assbot;[undata] Deed system for #bitcoin-assets, updated. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhxptC ) 1063591;1426994313;mircea_popescu;!up odyjm 1063592;1426994322;felipelalli;>> 1. Bot idles in chan. Upon receipt of command including pastebin link, 1063593;1426994328;mircea_popescu;ah. the spec doesn't change by the implementation yo. the other way around. 1063594;1426994332;mircea_popescu;also, that's a generic term :p 1063595;1426994348;ben_vulpes;trinque's doing a major launch this week, i think we'll be lucky to get much of a peep out of him at all 1063596;1426994353;mircea_popescu;aite. 1063597;1426994360;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: interesting parallel 1063598;1426994365;mircea_popescu;o you two work together was it 1063599;1426994372;ben_vulpes;taxation you, i trinque pay to la serenissima is rather small 1063600;1426994381;mircea_popescu;for this reason. 1063601;1426994388;asciilifeform;together in the sense of usaschwitz 1063602;1426994392;ben_vulpes;definitely in comparison to that required to survive in fiatland 1063603;1426994401;*;asciilifeform has not yet met ben_vulpes in the flesh 1063604;1426994402;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu, no not this year. 1063605;1426994413;ben_vulpes;he has his thing, and i mine. 1063606;1426994419;mircea_popescu;aha 1063607;1426994423;ben_vulpes;we live a few blocks from each other, drink each others wine, fuck each others girls 1063608;1426994426;ben_vulpes;etc 1063609;1426994439;ben_vulpes;(and no, not really the latter) 1063610;1426994439;asciilifeform;^ that was trinque ? 1063611;1426994441;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: no lucky with dpaste.com as well "Bad URL or network outage." 1063612;1426994458;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063116 << wasn't originally 1063613;1426994458;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 23:23:07; trinque: "don't be evil" has to be the cheesiest wink at the camera of all time 1063614;1426994461;asciilifeform;i mean, ben_vulpes and trinque live a few blocks .. ? 1063615;1426994461;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yeah, the thread kicked off at " trinque's doing a major launch this week, i think we'll be lucky to get much of a peep out of him at all" 1063616;1426994466;mircea_popescu;felipelalli are you using the raw or the html version ? 1063617;1426994474;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha got it 1063618;1426994479;felipelalli;I tried the raw first, I'll try the other 1063619;1426994492;mircea_popescu;raw should work. 1063620;1426994507;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: now i recall, there was a thread where one of you asked the other for a smoke in-channel 1063621;1426994510;mircea_popescu;felipelalli do it in here so i can see wtf ? 1063622;1426994512;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: taxation /i/ speak of is deedbot, nsa, phundation 1063623;1426994518;mircea_popescu;!up deedbot- 1063624;1426994536;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ah, i was thinking of the other taxation, where goons come and lift a penny out of every 3 i make 1063625;1426994543;felipelalli;http://dpaste.com/3EAX9QH 1063626;1426994545;assbot;dpaste: 3EAX9QH ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hhyguo ) 1063627;1426994550;felipelalli;I also tried http://dpaste.com/3EAX9QH.txt 1063628;1426994551;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hhyjqj ) 1063629;1426994551;ben_vulpes;no, i'm talking that which your lord and sovereign demands of you. 1063630;1426994572;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063127 << perelman :D 1063631;1426994572;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 23:28:17; asciilifeform: where is soviet physics? mathematics ? 1063632;1426994606;mircea_popescu;felipelalli bare url wouldn't conceivably work. gotta deedbot- ur; 1063633;1426994634;ben_vulpes;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3EAX9QH.txt 1063634;1426994634;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhyDoI ) 1063635;1426994636;deedbot-;imported: 9E08524833CB3038FDE385C54C0AFCCFED5CDE14 1063636;1426994654;felipelalli;how? 1063637;1426994658;ben_vulpes;pahaha 1063638;1426994665;felipelalli;O_O 1063639;1426994671;ben_vulpes;jesus, you guys. 1063640;1426994713;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063130 << fwiw, i believe this "generative years" is bullshit. it only makes sense in ossified society, because older guys have stupid shit to waste their tiem with. otherwise, in catastrophic situation, age does not matter. how old was Aeneas ? 1063641;1426994713;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 23:28:44; asciilifeform: the folks not dead of drink have been driving cabs in nyc for so long as to have put their generative years firmly behind. 1063642;1426994727;asciilifeform;aeneas was not a mathematician. 1063643;1426994735;asciilifeform;it works more like sport. 1063644;1426994736;mircea_popescu;how old was he of syracuse ? 1063645;1426994752;asciilifeform;who, archimedes ? 1063646;1426994763;mircea_popescu;at least five over 50, but sure, archimedes. 1063647;1426994781;asciilifeform;over 50 << when did the thing they were remembered for ? 1063648;1426994795;mircea_popescu;archimedes was well over 40 when he proofed that crown/ 1063649;1426994795;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: are you in assbot's l2? 1063650;1426994808;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: I hope so. 1063651;1426994808;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot felipelalli 1063652;1426994808;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli | http://w.b-a.link/user/felipelalli 1063653;1426994809;mircea_popescu;newton was what, 52 ? 1063654;1426994816;ben_vulpes;okay so you try it 1063655;1426994822;ben_vulpes;deedbot-: 1063656;1426994824;asciilifeform;thing is, newton's 52 is not the same as american slave's 52 1063657;1426994832;mircea_popescu;for the reason i stated! 1063658;1426994834;asciilifeform;certain kinds of life destroy the mind. 1063659;1426994835;felipelalli;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAX9QH.txt 1063660;1426994837;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhzfLl ) 1063661;1426994838;deedbot-;imported: 9E08524833CB3038FDE385C54C0AFCCFED5CDE14 1063662;1426994846;ben_vulpes;so there ya go 1063663;1426994851;felipelalli;So, private messages does not work like assbot 1063664;1426994851;ben_vulpes;,next 1063665;1426994853;mircea_popescu;the delusion of "stability' and cultural insularity destroy the mind. 1063666;1426994864;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: did you prepend with 'deedbot-:' ? 1063667;1426994878;felipelalli;no 1063668;1426994885;felipelalli;ah, I got it. 1063669;1426994885;asciilifeform;actually waking up to alarm clock and sitting in an office guaranteed to destroy, regardless of what else 1063670;1426994898;mircea_popescu;doubt this matters. 1063671;1426994900;asciilifeform;destroys body, too 1063672;1426994908;mircea_popescu;no, that's not it. theknowledge that there's going to be food at the supermarket destroys. 1063673;1426994917;felipelalli;well, I'm just following wrong instructions! ;) ahhah 1063674;1426994922;mircea_popescu;the notion that one shouldn't chat up the passing twelve year old, destroys. 1063675;1426994939;asciilifeform;by this token every hunter-gatherer should be newton 1063676;1426994939;felipelalli;now I'll try to publish a signed document. 1063677;1426994957;ben_vulpes;deedbot-: help 1063678;1426994959;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only the unsuccessful ones that yet survive. 1063679;1426994973;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: well check it out you got help eventually 1063680;1426994986;ben_vulpes;trinque's a busy man. it'll get hammered into shape...eventually. 1063681;1426994988;ben_vulpes;"two weeks!" 1063682;1426995018;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063148 << it was quite excellent. 1063683;1426995018;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 23:31:32; pete_dushenski: i'm generally curious about the merits of their decade and change of research 1063684;1426995030;mircea_popescu;mostly because early form of what was later copied by russians. 1063685;1426995033;mircea_popescu;"monastery" of sorts. 1063686;1426995065;asciilifeform;so there we go 1063687;1426995068;asciilifeform;monasteries - work. 1063688;1426995074;asciilifeform;keeps the narcissomaniacs out, etc. 1063689;1426995086;asciilifeform;the occasional impalement also helps 1063690;1426995103;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform listen, "works" in this context is you saying "so there we go, c works" 1063691;1426995116;mircea_popescu;sure it works, if you want the suckiest thing that'll still do the job. 1063692;1426995118;ben_vulpes;catch y'all later. 1063693;1426995126;felipelalli;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/21D0Q3X.txt 1063694;1426995127;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhzWUK ) 1063695;1426995127;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1063696;1426995129;asciilifeform;works in the sense of 'were so l337 that we're still cribbing off their tech notebook and can never hope to match' 1063697;1426995135;mircea_popescu;not so. 1063698;1426995154;mircea_popescu;just look at enigma machine to get out of that infatuation. 1063699;1426995163;asciilifeform;enigma was built by a pole! 1063700;1426995169;mircea_popescu;look at what they thought radar is. 1063701;1426995197;asciilifeform;reich had perfectly passable radar 1063702;1426995199;mircea_popescu;look at the stupid rocket-planor thing. etc. derpy as it gets. 1063703;1426995203;asciilifeform;did not, iirc, have the klystron though 1063704;1426995206;mircea_popescu;passable 1!? 1063705;1426995238;felipelalli;why my doc was rejected? 1063706;1426995239;decimation;enigma was broken by the poles 1063707;1426995240;asciilifeform;http://www.ventnorradar.co.uk/Germ.htm 1063708;1426995241;assbot;German Radar ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhAk5z ) 1063709;1426995246;asciilifeform;decimation: also designed by a pole 1063710;1426995248;asciilifeform;in 1920s, iirc 1063711;1426995255;asciilifeform;as commercial product 1063712;1426995260;asciilifeform;nothing german about it 1063713;1426995265;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063179 << there's thirty million helgas out there, get your ass on tinder. 1063714;1426995265;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 23:41:48; pete_dushenski: i really don't know any other german speakers with whom to converse 1063715;1426995281;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing but the fact they used it. 1063716;1426995288;asciilifeform;sure 1063717;1426995311;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: do you know why my doc was rejected? 1063718;1426995313;asciilifeform;incidentally none of the allied crypto (other than vernam, aka otp, which was also used in germany) was in any way superior to enigma 1063719;1426995335;mircea_popescu;at the time. 1063720;1426995347;mircea_popescu;your statement was, and i quote, ' we're still cribbing off their tech notebook and can never hope to match' 1063721;1426995358;asciilifeform;ah 1063722;1426995360;decimation;asciilifeform: no, it was more the fact that turing et.al. had the pole's cryptanalysis to crib off of 1063723;1426995391;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, we're not literally stuck with 1930s tech. for the most part. organic chemistry has not really moved very far since 1063724;1426995413;asciilifeform;folks are still wearing the same synthetic fibres used in german uniforms, made in same way 1063725;1426995417;asciilifeform;and so forth 1063726;1426995424;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063191 << prolly should read http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ and work the examples out by hand. 1063727;1426995424;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 00:14:17; felipelalli: thestringpuller: but "the repayment rate" does not depends (also) on the investor? He can choose the investments he wants to make. I was being lucky, or I made good choices. 1063728;1426995424;assbot;How to make money on the Internet while pretending you know what you're talking about and accumulating a legion of mindless followers - for fun and profit! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhALwS ) 1063729;1426995434;decimation;german acrylic paints 1063730;1426995445;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform has moved way far, you kidding ?! organic is more advanced as to what it was in 1930 than computing. 1063731;1426995465;mircea_popescu;shit, state of the art 1930 plastics was linoleum and ebonite. 1063732;1426995483;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking of basic techniques, rather than products 1063733;1426995493;mircea_popescu;even basic techniques. 1063734;1426995495;asciilifeform;i'll let PeterL settle this one when he returns 1063735;1426995503;mircea_popescu;we have mass fucking spectrometers that work! 1063736;1426995512;mircea_popescu;recall that article about the new antibiotic found in soil sample ? 1063737;1426995520;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interestingly, pretty much nobody used these for the first 20 or so years they existed 1063738;1426995528;felipelalli;my sister works with mass spectrometers. 1063739;1426995531;mircea_popescu;cause no computers. 1063740;1426995536;mircea_popescu;you can'treally use them by hand. 1063741;1426995537;asciilifeform;because everything they can do, traditional analytic chem can also do 1063742;1426995544;mircea_popescu;mno. 1063743;1426995544;asciilifeform;but takes craft 1063744;1426995550;mircea_popescu;because nobody uses car w/o gasoline. 1063745;1426995556;asciilifeform;this also 1063746;1426995562;asciilifeform;but my observation holds 1063747;1426995578;felipelalli;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/21D0Q3X.txt 1063748;1426995579;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkxZfE ) 1063749;1426995579;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1063750;1426995586;asciilifeform;you don't actually -need- gas chromatograph for anything, in the sense of experiment being entirely unworkable without it 1063751;1426995597;asciilifeform;it merely saves time, effort, skill, cost. 1063752;1426995604;asciilifeform;ditto mass spec 1063753;1426995606;mircea_popescu;you don't need rocks for anything either, can just throw your own shit 1063754;1426995627;asciilifeform;think this way: consider the palpable progress in chemical industry 1900-40 1063755;1426995630;asciilifeform;vs 1970-now 1063756;1426995642;asciilifeform;(lacking spectrometers, etc. vs. having) 1063757;1426995643;mircea_popescu;and yes experiment is entirely unworkable without it. there's no nazi genome sequence variant. know why ? 1063758;1426995648;mircea_popescu;there's no nazi fold@home. know why ? 1063759;1426995650;mircea_popescu;etc. 1063760;1426995652;asciilifeform;well sure 1063761;1426995661;asciilifeform;didn't say computer was entirely useless 1063762;1426995666;mircea_popescu;right. quantity has a quality all of its own. 1063763;1426995675;mircea_popescu;this, mind, isn't jus comptuer. computer is the adjunct. 1063764;1426995691;asciilifeform;but going back in archives, i am perpetually astonished at what was accomplished by men who never saw not only computer but plastic bag. 1063765;1426995699;decimation;the germans had the first programmable electromechanical computer by the way 1063766;1426995700;mircea_popescu;or zipper. sure. 1063767;1426995717;asciilifeform;decimation: aha, konrad zuse and 'plankalkule' 1063768;1426995729;decimation;aye 1063769;1426995744;decimation;the nazi gov. was too dumb to fund it though, or apply it to obvious uses 1063770;1426995764;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063202 << check it out, Pierre_Rochard gets the cookie for having asked the right question. i finally understand what felipelalli's usecase actually was. 1063771;1426995764;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 01:06:05; felipelalli: Itaú normal interest rate: 7% PER MONTH. My interest rate in Itaú (because I am an old client): 4.8%. BTCJam: 2.8%. It makes a huge difference when you calculate the compound interest per year. 1063772;1426995775;asciilifeform;not dumb per se. just thought 'thinkers should have day jobs' 1063773;1426995783;mircea_popescu;"i live in a shit country, borrowing directly from bezzle is way better than going through local banks" 1063774;1426995811;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me put it another way, maybe it washes better. 1063775;1426995836;mircea_popescu;before you get to think you get to have "ideas" you must do sufficient useful work to support yourself with. whether you do it in a year or a decade or over rest of your life, your choice. 1063776;1426995843;mircea_popescu;but people who can not support self are not fit to think, 1063777;1426995845;danielpbarron;felipelalli, you're signing with a different key than the one you registered with 1063778;1426995850;mircea_popescu;much like women that can't cook aren't fit to marry. 1063779;1426995860;asciilifeform;guess herr zuse didn't know how to both invent first computer -and- self-support 1063780;1426995864;asciilifeform;so they didn't really need computer. 1063781;1426995885;mircea_popescu;i am not going to be swayed by examples, for the following reason : of course you're going to lose something. 1063782;1426995895;mircea_popescu;this is a given : no matter which way you go, you lose something. 1063783;1426995913;*;asciilifeform wasn't even trying to sway anyone. but must point out the dismal history. 1063784;1426995922;mircea_popescu;if you persecute gays, you fuck up turing. if you don't, you end up with that transhumanist singer-songwriter with the turkey hairdo schmuck. 1063785;1426995927;asciilifeform;l0l 1063786;1426995947;mircea_popescu;so, this given : i dun care who dun like it, i'd rather have silence than the motherfucking deluge of shit 1063787;1426995950;asciilifeform;i'll explain what was meant. generally i'm in favour of less arbeit macht frei for everyone. 1063788;1426995950;mircea_popescu;"with some good things in it" 1063789;1426995966;asciilifeform;shoot the shit producers, problem solved 1063790;1426995990;felipelalli;danielpbarron: my company key. I'm sorry! 1063791;1426995993;mircea_popescu;the men holding the rifles work on z80s. 1063792;1426996001;mircea_popescu;nice find dpb. 1063793;1426996010;asciilifeform;i don't see the inevitable dichotomy between 'world flooded with shit' and 'arbeit macht frei' 1063794;1426996020;mircea_popescu;maybe you have a point there. 1063795;1426996049;mircea_popescu;fortunately, i am not in a position to make this call. for which i am thankful. 1063796;1426996064;asciilifeform;to put it from own perspective, i'm not sure what serenissima wins from me spending most of every day working with winblows virii 1063797;1426996065;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994371 << nope :D 1063798;1426996065;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 00:52:58; asciilifeform: and am i the only one who actually checks sigs 1063799;1426996090;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at least formally this irritates me, because it's the ancient "la ce-mi serveste mie radicalurile" sophomore complaint. 1063800;1426996101;asciilifeform;what was this 1063801;1426996107;mircea_popescu;how the fuck should i know, and what difference does it make you don't. 1063802;1426996107;asciilifeform;(i can guess) 1063803;1426996117;mircea_popescu;"what's the use of square rooting to me!" 1063804;1426996129;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/la-ce-imi-serveste-mie-radicalurile/ 1063805;1426996129;assbot;La ce imi serveste mie radicalurile ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhDerd ) 1063806;1426996135;asciilifeform;square rooting, though, i can entirely see 1063807;1426996166;asciilifeform;let's focus on interesting people for a moment. kepler, say. spent a good chunk of his time at day job - astrology. 1063808;1426996171;mircea_popescu;the burning question, however, is why do you think your seeing is the pivot of this matter. 1063809;1426996219;asciilifeform;this is why trying to show more objective example 1063810;1426996219;mircea_popescu;let me tell you a story, put this into perspective. 1063811;1426996233;mircea_popescu;at my day job, i am a manager. it's what i do. or used to, b. b., but w/e. 1063812;1426996234;asciilifeform;we don't win from kepler's day job 1063813;1426996247;mircea_popescu;if an underlying comes to me with "here's the problem, what should we do", i fire him. 1063814;1426996268;mircea_popescu;the proper form is, "here's the problem, here are 3 solutions, which do we pick", and he should fucking know this by now. 1063815;1426996296;mircea_popescu;it would seem to me you are managing like an illusionist not like a manager, which is to say, comparing with some sort of null hypothesis / god's footsteps / whatever. 1063816;1426996300;mircea_popescu;this is just not how things work. 1063817;1426996313;felipelalli;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2VN28A5.txt 1063818;1426996314;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkzSsE ) 1063819;1426996314;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1063820;1426996323;trinque;hey lookie there 1063821;1426996325;felipelalli;wow, this is perfect. 1063822;1426996326;trinque;did it all by himself 1063823;1426996333;*;mircea_popescu waves at trinque 1063824;1426996334;trinque;holy fuck I step away for a minute :D 1063825;1426996336;trinque;sup guys 1063826;1426996337;asciilifeform;wasn't trying to describe a management method, but simply banal observation that kepler's day job (forget mine) is to be counted on the -sad- part of the ledger 1063827;1426996346;mircea_popescu;but this is a management discussion. 1063828;1426996348;trinque;felipelalli: bad sig before? 1063829;1426996354;danielpbarron;"I love ass channel. Ditto." << the deeded message btw 1063830;1426996360;mircea_popescu;"what should do" is management just like "what voltage" is e e. 1063831;1426996363;felipelalli;trinque: I forgot to use -u ED5CDE14 1063832;1426996369;trinque;felipelalli: that will do it. 1063833;1426996374;felipelalli;and it was using my company's key Walltime 1063834;1426996384;trinque;no problemo, glad it worked for ya 1063835;1426996397;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how much irrelevant drudgery is the right amount? would we have more newtoniana if he had broken rocks at butugychag for p % of his day ? 1063836;1426996400;mircea_popescu;trinque e) any url! 1063837;1426996408;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why do you expect this to be knowable! 1063838;1426996420;mircea_popescu;think in terms of women, easier to think. "is this the right woman for me, for my life ?" 1063839;1426996424;asciilifeform;i say 0. but mircea_popescu, i think, says p is a positive integer 1063840;1426996426;mircea_popescu;wtf sort of inquiry is this! 1063841;1426996431;felipelalli;the doc was accepted, but and now? 1063842;1426996437;trinque;pastebin is not banned 1063843;1426996441;trinque;raw urls 1063844;1426996444;mircea_popescu;aha kk. 1063845;1426996458;trinque;consider, the page has shitloads of html, is not raw text... 1063846;1426996458;mircea_popescu;could i get trilema.com/deed.txt accepted ? 1063847;1426996463;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah np 1063848;1426996467;mircea_popescu;ah coolness. 1063849;1426996473;mircea_popescu;well, back to your launch lol. 1063850;1426996478;trinque;launch is ready! 1063851;1426996485;trinque;week early, one man band 1063852;1426996493;trinque;hair almost still intact 1063853;1426996519;felipelalli;trinque: now deedbot- will contact me sending the URL to blockchain published doc? 1063854;1426996528;trinque;felipelalli: heh no, I will. 1063855;1426996533;mircea_popescu;lol 1063856;1426996547;decimation;mpi-fg-koeln.mpg.de/pu/mpifg_book/mpifg_bd_36.pdf > " Einen Antrag zur Förderung einer elektronischen Nachfolgeversion der Z-3, den sein Mit- arbeiter Elektroingenieur Helmut Schreyer stellte, lehnte die deutsche Reichsregierung als »nicht kriegswichtig« ab (Petzold 1985: 316). " They tried to get the nazi gov to pay for the advancement of the Z-3, but it was deemed "not war-worthy" 1063857;1426996551;trinque;felipelalli: shall be at deedbot.org in 5min+next_block 1063858;1426996563;felipelalli;trinque: are you the dwarf behind him, han? :) 1063859;1426996567;asciilifeform;decimation: i'm not certain they were wrong 1063860;1426996597;trinque;felipelalli: I'll have you know I am of middling height! 1063861;1426996608;mircea_popescu;in the end, the z's were not really useful past psychology, were they ? 1063862;1426996620;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you mean the v-s? 1063863;1426996624;felipelalli;!rate trinque 1 "the dwarf behind deedbot" 1063864;1426996624;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e23f5164e2b13006 1063865;1426996629;mircea_popescu;ah yes, the v's. 1063866;1426996635;mircea_popescu;da fuck is z-3 ?! 1063867;1426996638;trinque;felipelalli: lol 1063868;1426996642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: zuse's computer 1063869;1426996643;decimation;zuse's computer 1063870;1426996648;mircea_popescu;ah nm me. 1063871;1426996655;asciilifeform;built out of phone exchange relays, in his mother's kitchen, iirc 1063872;1426996658;decimation;it was electromechanical, not purely electric 1063873;1426996665;mircea_popescu;right, referenced above, exactly. i lost a thread. 1063874;1426996698;asciilifeform;;;google plankalkül 1063875;1426996699;gribble;Plankalkül - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Plankalkul | computer language | Encyclopedia Britannica: ; Konrad Zuse - ACM Digital Library: 1063876;1426996705;decimation;as I recall, colossus was the first fully electric computer, built by Flowers at the proto-gchq 1063877;1426996734;asciilifeform;not fully electric 1063878;1426996743;asciilifeform;had paper roll. 1063879;1426996759;felipelalli;trinque: why only 6 docs? Is that a new service, isn't it used that much or it is only the current day? 1063880;1426996773;decimation;aye, I linked a movie of a replica running earlier, will dig it up. I saw it in person actually, was quite impressive 1063881;1426996807;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063215 <<< note the important takeaway here. nothing keeps people in other places with shit banks from being intelligent, getting in wot, becoming part of the actual bitcoin marketplace. there's people here from all over the world. over time, a low effort / consumer thing like btcjam HAS TO devolve into the typical check advance / spam loan operation. 1063882;1426996807;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 01:26:33; felipelalli: and, of course, 4) there are better investments than BTCJam to you. 1063883;1426996824;trinque;felipelalli: there was a previous iteration which I will soon dump the history into the present incarnation 1063884;1426996824;mircea_popescu;there are market forces pushing things certain ways and into certain niches, invisible hand and al lthat. 1063885;1426996945;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063235 << there really isn't much requirement to speak any particular language or anything. 1063886;1426996945;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 01:50:53; PeterL: do the speak english? 1063887;1426996955;mircea_popescu;the beauty of the wot system is that it readily fragments, and whoever bridges bridges. 1063888;1426996990;mircea_popescu;felipelalli has the opportunity to become a sort of speaker for the dead as it were, for a certain set of dead. 1063889;1426997049;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063240 << actually, yes, i do. do you understand why they did that ? 1063890;1426997049;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 01:52:03; felipelalli: But did you understand my point of make it automatic, fast, impersonal and passive? It is different. 1063891;1426997066;felipelalli;lol mircea_popescu 1063892;1426997141;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: no, may I know why? 1063893;1426997158;mircea_popescu;well yes : suppose they have 500 users, which is about where intel puts it. 1063894;1426997175;mircea_popescu;now, out of those 500, there's like ... 2 ike you. your "wot added value" is say 10 each. 1063895;1426997201;mircea_popescu;there's another 48 dudes who are kinda derpy but still useful, their avg "wot added value is 1 each. 1063896;1426997211;mircea_popescu;that's it. the 500 sums up to 70 value. 1063897;1426997232;mircea_popescu;if they change it like they did, willy nilly it's 0.02 per, which comes to... 100. which is more. 1063898;1426997255;mircea_popescu;in short : you were so diluted by idiots you didn't even realise your sum total human effort was worth less than a systematic, spammy approach to things. 1063899;1426997283;mircea_popescu;sure, to you going from 10 to 0.2 is a terrible loss. 1063900;1426997294;mircea_popescu;but for them, going from a 70 aggregate to a 100 aggregate is a net gain. 1063901;1426997304;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: well thought out. 1063902;1426997309;mircea_popescu;and so then you leave, and so they lost like, one of the two guys that actually did something, and that's the end of it. 1063903;1426997318;mircea_popescu;which, again, is why things go certain ways, invisible hand and all that. 1063904;1426997323;mircea_popescu;economics is not fanfiction. 1063905;1426997349;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: amazing reasoning. 1063906;1426997349;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1063907;1426997390;mircea_popescu;visible across the whole spectrum, how do you think myspace went from selling for a billion to turner to selling for 18 mn or w/e it sold off to. 1063908;1426997465;mircea_popescu;and this is incidentally why i said earlier that they are not a business in the first place. it doesn't fucking matter what "others think". others don'tthink, others bray. thinking is above. and the thinking is, it takes two days for them to lose half the userbase that matters. 1063909;1426997468;mircea_popescu;this is not a business. 1063910;1426997483;mircea_popescu;it's an accident, and from the equity perspective, it's a disaster waiting to happen. 1063911;1426997531;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: it is a pitty because it was (a kind of - or has potential to be) useful. 1063912;1426997581;felipelalli;*pity 1063913;1426997599;mircea_popescu;yeah well... 1063914;1426997626;mircea_popescu;anyway, as to the interest rates, there was a discussion recently, and no, business rates aren't per month, you want to pay what, 3ish% a year or some shit. 1063915;1426997647;felipelalli;this what they call APR 1063916;1426997659;decimation;the 10 year treasuries are just under 2% in usd 1063917;1426997668;mircea_popescu;apr is a consumer concept. 1063918;1426997682;decimation;this tends to be a benchmark for those who are fronting money for business 1063919;1426997683;mircea_popescu;we're talking corporate debentures here. 1063920;1426997686;felipelalli;but in Brazil we are used to use per month. Maybe because per year would be ridiculous huge. 1063921;1426997699;mircea_popescu;well also because your country just collapsed 1063922;1426997703;mircea_popescu;for the howeverth time. 1063923;1426997704;decimation;people do business in loans per month? 1063924;1426997713;felipelalli;yes 1063925;1426997715;mircea_popescu;decimation you seen that btw ? delma found herself with like 2mn people in the capital. 1063926;1426997725;mircea_popescu;decimation yes, people in africa, basically. 1063927;1426997748;felipelalli;in Brazil too 1063928;1426997751;decimation;was it a march for equality 1063929;1426997756;felipelalli;BTCJam CEO is a Brazilian by the way 1063930;1426997764;mircea_popescu;something like that, yeah. fucking scary by the looks of it. 1063931;1426997767;trinque;felipelalli: http://deedbot.org/348645-15v9VrTNUA1oRzpv3u5b9DyPJqnn14RycR.txt << ding! 1063932;1426997768;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkDT0d ) 1063933;1426997768;felipelalli;friend of a personal close friend. 1063934;1426997772;trinque;I too... love ass channel. 1063935;1426997775;mircea_popescu;i was like o.O woman's getting beheaded. 1063936;1426997797;felipelalli;trinque: thank you! I thought you are kidding when you said YOU would send me! :) 1063937;1426997818;mircea_popescu;i think undata's going for that whole "manic customer support" angle. 1063938;1426997826;mircea_popescu;buncha sv hipsters. 1063939;1426997829;danielpbarron;felipelalli, here's the tx 86010f67d16fb690be5a9682403c5a49adccf496ae8e3c0a756a1351993e9bca 1063940;1426997834;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: why bitcoin is so undervalued? 1063941;1426997843;decimation;lol she was an actual communist rebel 1063942;1426997846;felipelalli;any thoughts about that? 1063943;1426997863;decimation;basically the dead hand of su derping around the americas 1063944;1426997870;mircea_popescu;decimation one that got pretty well corrupted at the petrobras trough 1063945;1426997882;decimation;well, the irony is that obama is a product of the other side 1063946;1426997901;trinque;mircea_popescu: haha, fuck the valley; I'd rather be here. 1063947;1426997913;mircea_popescu;anyway, brazil's actually in a better position in sa than the us is in na. 1063948;1426997920;trinque;felipelalli: I'll have the rest of the lever-pulling automated before long 1063949;1426997932;mircea_popescu;if they pack it and leave everyone else's reduced to hunting wooly mamooths with bows and arrows. 1063950;1426997956;felipelalli;trinque: nice!! 1063951;1426997994;*;asciilifeform associates brazil primarily with spam and poorly written virii 1063952;1426998009;asciilifeform;and ocelots. 1063953;1426998022;mircea_popescu;nah, it's an industrial powerhouse. 1063954;1426998037;*;asciilifeform knows this. theoretically. 1063955;1426998058;mircea_popescu;of course, exactly how the color revolution's gonna go... 1063956;1426998076;mircea_popescu;i dun think dept of state's too happy about it. 1063957;1426998079;decimation;yeah they have been coloring red for the past decade 1063958;1426998085;felipelalli;guess who I am: https://plus.google.com/+FelipeMicaroniLalliFML/posts/1LJVP7mk6wH 1063959;1426998087;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkEDmi ) 1063960;1426998114;decimation;outflanking usg from the left is a common pattern worldwide 1063961;1426998120;asciilifeform;felipelalli: the one whose sign levitates ? 1063962;1426998135;felipelalli;AHHAHA 1063963;1426998146;felipelalli;all sign levitates actually 1063964;1426998214;felipelalli;this happened in protests here in Brazil 1063965;1426998247;trinque;felipelalli: what do you think of the water situation there? 1063966;1426998263;felipelalli;trinque: not a problem at all. 1063967;1426998271;felipelalli;trinque: not a real problem, I guess. 1063968;1426998283;decimation;mises & hayek were (classical) liberal statists in the final analysis 1063969;1426998301;trinque;felipelalli: interesting, just news hysteria? 1063970;1426998317;felipelalli;decimation: I know. That sign of Mises was not mine. 1063971;1426998317;decimation;I think there were a few trilema posts on this point 1063972;1426998322;felipelalli;The mine was about Bitcoin :) 1063973;1426998332;felipelalli;trinque: gov control I guess 1063974;1426998335;decimation;nevertheless, I'd have a beer with the guy :) 1063975;1426998406;felipelalli;they can blame the people: "you are wasting water" 1063976;1426998464;felipelalli;If I am not wrong, I sent an email to mircea_popescu asking his political position, or I regret to send. 1063977;1426999076;decimation;!up huseby 1063978;1427000108;*;mircea_popescu doesn't really do this entire private thing. ask him here, it's what the here is for after all. 1063979;1427000141;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, water : http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l36by2AEsD1qz7ltxo1_1280.jpg 1063980;1427000143;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnoZnx ) 1063981;1427000629;cazalla;looks a bit like natalie portman 1063982;1427000726;mircea_popescu;not the throat tho 1063983;1427001210;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: ok! :-) So, what is your political position, if you want to say about that. 1063984;1427001424;mircea_popescu;political how ? 1063985;1427001434;mircea_popescu;i've been saying plenty about it, here and on the blog 1063986;1427001660;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: that's why I regret to send, now I remember!! ahahhah I knew you would say that. 1063987;1427001761;felipelalli;political for me is: is statist. is not. 1063988;1427002068;mircea_popescu;o.O 1063989;1427002261;felipelalli;This was funny: http://imgur.com/ICidotc did you see that? 1063990;1427002262;assbot; Still waiting for.... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/19cBNi9 ) 1063991;1427003710;mircea_popescu;I downloaded all five seasons of The Wire from The Pirate Bay 1063992;1427003710;mircea_popescu;And studied all their OPSEC and legalities of what to say 1063993;1427003715;mircea_popescu;ok that thing's epic. 1063994;1427004075;cazalla;i got part way through season 2 and didn't bother going any further.. the wire is the most overrated series evar 1063995;1427006158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00027195 = 6.2956 BTC [-] 1063996;1427006797;fluffypony;I keep meaning to give it a watch 1063997;1427011606;cazalla;sheeeeeeit fluffypony, i wouldn't bother unless you're down for some gay whistling nignogs with shotguns 1063998;1427011648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00027195 = 9.7494 BTC [-] 1063999;1427012732;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CArQElgUMAAYlqX.jpg:large 1064000;1427012732;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAwkL3 ) 1064001;1427012779;punkman;cazalla: I'd say most overrated has to be Walking Dead these days 1064002;1427012840;cazalla;punkman, agreed, i only watched a season or two of that before giving up.. same shit every episode 1064003;1427012866;cazalla;every boardwalk empire went to shit in the last 2 seasons 1064004;1427012869;cazalla;even* 1064005;1427012959;punkman;I'd put The Wire in the top ten though, I quite enjoyed it 1064006;1427012975;punkman;maybe I should grab that remastered version 1064007;1427013869;trinque;punkman: that ad... incredible 1064008;1427013935;trinque;later, teaching the controversy! is glacial melt a bad thing? 1064009;1427015113;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAoXyCnU8AAHQQO.jpg:large 1064010;1427015113;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl1bBn ) 1064011;1427015563;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html 1064012;1427015568;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFZESS ) 1064013;1427015582;punkman;"after a while, she had to return to the safe space. “I was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against my dearly and closely held beliefs,†" 1064014;1427015658;fluffypony;trinque: obviously it's a good thing, it means more water, and since the advent of quality bottled water the consumption of water around the globe has increased 1064015;1427015676;fluffypony;also it's just the top of the iceberg that is exposed to the sun, most of it is underwater so it's fine 1064016;1427015678;fluffypony;/s 1064017;1427015726;trinque;maybe if we tell the glacier it's triggering us with its microaggression, it'll stop 1064018;1427015728;trinque;bam double reply 1064019;1427015756;trinque;we are so ill equipped to deal with any problem rationally, let alone sea level rise 1064020;1427015760;fluffypony;lol 1064021;1427015769;trinque;we being this insane social aggregate I'm forced to participate in 1064022;1427015886;punkman;sounds like you need a safe space :P 1064023;1427015930;trinque;I think we just solved it, representative democracy is a trauma I can no longer acknowledge exists 1064024;1427015966;trinque;as for the glaciers, I am not informed enough to know whether they'd be dumping into the ocean with or without us 1064025;1427016347;punkman;http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/21/world/arctic-sea-ice/ 1064026;1427016348;assbot;Arctic sea ice hits lowest winter maximum on record - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl5BIx ) 1064027;1427016356;punkman;"lowest maximum" 1064028;1427016385;punkman;"Meanwhile, the summer minimum ice extent reached in the Antarctic was one of the highest recorded" 1064029;1427016439;punkman;I don't particularly care since I don't live in Tuvalu or wherever 1064030;1427019503;fluffypony;;;later tell BingoBoingo what http://i.imgur.com/pFgteaX.jpg 1064031;1427019504;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hlgn1d ) 1064032;1427019504;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1064033;1427021531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00027826 = 4.5356 BTC [+] {2} 1064034;1427021774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00027033 = 9.4616 BTC [-] 1064035;1427024702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93486 @ 0.00026917 = 25.1636 BTC [-] {4} 1064036;1427024763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55064 @ 0.00026736 = 14.7219 BTC [-] {2} 1064037;1427024862;mats;it falls 1064038;1427029284;danielpbarron;height=291663 vs height=214499 1064039;1427030313;mats;fun fact: Chrome has an entire PDF serializer just for print preview - it creates a PDF of the page and then renders that in PDFium. 1064040;1427032632;nubbins`;pete_dushenski are you advancing the opinion that colombian touts are nicer or friendlier than jamaican touts? 1064041;1427032661;nubbins`;'cause if that's the case, jamaica must be *unbearable* 1064042;1427032674;nubbins`;like, marrakesh-style unbearable 1064043;1427032732;nubbins`;anyway, third-world tourism is an interesting thing 1064044;1427032861;nubbins`;"So that the locals here seemvii to have an unwarranted expectation of my generosity" <<< unwarranted how? every whitey that goes to jamaica spends a ton of money. 1064045;1427032901;nubbins`;it's precisely warranted 1064046;1427032939;nubbins`;(GDP per capita <$6k) 1064047;1427033086;nubbins`;"sourcing their ingredients from within spitting distance, thus keeping the revenue in the local economy" <<< you mean keeping their /expenditures/ in the local economy. their revenue goes elsewhere, unless they're the ones buying all the dimebags. 1064048;1427033100;nubbins`;i dunno, man. this whole article gets a C- 1064049;1427033131;nubbins`;the only reason MP gets away with being a prick is because his articles are circuitous enough that it's not worth the effort to construct counter-arguments 1064050;1427033181;nubbins`;but if you lay it all bare, saggy tits flopping to the sides... don't expect people to kiss it 1064051;1427033296;nubbins`;and FWIW most of the arawaks (native to jamaica) were sold into slavery or died from smallpox. they still have blood in the caribbean, just not in jamaica 1064052;1427033309;nubbins`;lot ended up in haiti 1064053;1427033657;nubbins`;"the Jamaican people by and large, though we’ve certainly seen exceptions, have much to learn when it comes to treating their patrons with the respectful reverence they deserve" <<< you've *got* to be taking the piss here. 1064054;1427033764;nubbins`;consider that "respectful reverence" (lel) is precisely a waste of time in such situations. if their first impression is that you're an asshole, why would they go further? almost certainly it's not worth the effort. save the smiles for the 200 other suckers who were on your plane, and who will gladly open the wallet 1064055;1427033791;nubbins`;if you want to see respectful reverence, stay at a resort 1064056;1427033829;nubbins`;bask in the glory of being surrounded by wholly artificial personalities in wholly artificial surroundings 1064057;1427033843;nubbins`;that's what you *really* wanted, yes? 1064058;1427033852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34396 @ 0.00027849 = 9.5789 BTC [+] 1064059;1427033916;nubbins`;bit late to claim that you really wanted to see "jamaica" if you're complaining that the guy selling beads on the beach wouldn't polish your knob 1064060;1427034066;nubbins`;punkman:I'd put The Wire in the top ten though, I quite enjoyed it <<< +1 1064061;1427035377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 300 @ 0.00371316 = 1.1139 BTC [-] 1064062;1427036537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 350 @ 0.00371316 = 1.2996 BTC [-] 1064063;1427039885;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i thought the arawaks were picked off for target practice by columb's crew 1064064;1427039913;asciilifeform;nubbins`: though i also recall from his logs that a great many ran off cliffs also 1064065;1427040318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64554 @ 0.00027634 = 17.8389 BTC [-] {2} 1064066;1427040897;asciilifeform;http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/20/french-court-orders-picassos-electrician-to-return-nearly-300-artworks << bezzle lords have legal title to the bezzle, it seems 1064067;1427040902;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19IN3nL ) 1064068;1427040902;jurov;http://ergofabulous.org/luther/ luther was naggum of his time :D 1064069;1427040903;assbot;Lutheran Insulter :: List of Insults ... ( http://bit.ly/19IN3nP ) 1064070;1427040962;jurov;"It seems I must have liars and villains for opponents. I am not worthy in the sight of God that a godly and honorable person should discuss these matters with me in a Christian way. This is my greatest lament." 1064071;1427041030;asciilifeform;re: picasso article: i can easily imagine a 'Dark Future of Hello Kitty' (TM) where a plebe found with ten fifty is prosecuted because 'he could only have obtained them by stealing from j.p.morgan, stop telling lies, there's no other way' 1064072;1427041041;asciilifeform;*with fifty btc 1064073;1427041336;jurov;it also means picasso's work was defacto nationalized 1064074;1427041367;jurov;what would be interesting precedent 1064075;1427041688;asciilifeform;not nationalized as such (perhaps if it were confiscated to put in museum ?) but given to a designated darling of the state 1064076;1427041704;asciilifeform;because 'prove you didn't steal it' if you aren't one 1064077;1427041784;jurov;"You are pious and honest people, who cannot do anything but calumniate and lie." 1064078;1427041838;jurov;"You are jugglers of imaginary sins." 1064079;1427043138;asciilifeform;the picasso thing is a mega-l0l 1064080;1427043165;asciilifeform;because, among other things, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1044115 1064081;1427043165;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:25; mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet. 1064082;1427043189;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044114 1064083;1427043189;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:02; mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not. 1064084;1427043381;asciilifeform;is it any wonder, given this picture, that homo redditicus wishes to mangle hierarchy, even if it nukes civilization? it seems as logical as wishing to stab the guards, given the chance, when you're imprisoned in auschwitz. 1064085;1427043590;asciilifeform;;;ticker 1064086;1427043591;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 261.23, Best ask: 261.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 261.27, 24 hour volume: 8712.7218436, 24 hour low: 258.67, 24 hour high: 263.55, 24 hour vwap: None 1064087;1427043603;asciilifeform;;;calc (130*10**6)/261.23 1064088;1427043604;gribble;497645.752785 1064089;1427043645;asciilifeform;if you have half a mil btc, you actually have them 1064090;1427043659;asciilifeform;but if you have a picasso - it is nothing without also having the blue blood. 1064091;1427043672;asciilifeform;only buys you a ticket to the jail. 1064092;1427045791;jurov;haven't you just argued that for you, half a mil btc is equally as useless as that picasso? 1064093;1427045818;jurov;at least, once irs catches air of them? 1064094;1427046260;jurov;!up airgapped 1064095;1427046283;jurov;!up Pierre_Rochard 1064096;1427046381;Pierre_Rochard;jurov: once irs catches air of them, they’re 39.6% less useful 1064097;1427046543;punkman;is there even any evidence of the picasso works being stolen? maybe davout can find better article 1064098;1427046605;jurov;they explicitly mention the judge had no evidence they are stolen. hence the outrage 1064099;1427046705;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/t86Heg7.jpg this happens often around here, but most people don't have the money to build around it 1064100;1427046708;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bmsm1x ) 1064101;1427046750;jurov;where? 1064102;1427046811;punkman;the island with the bulls and the Minoans 1064103;1427046833;punkman;you dig up the wrong thing, you no longer can use your land. 1064104;1427047021;punkman;and merely possessing some kinds of rubble can get you charged for "smuggling of antiquities" 1064105;1427048080;ben_vulpes;mon dieu 1064106;1427048456;mircea_popescu;btw, about the fat thread : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/fat.png 1064107;1427048457;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgbXXj ) 1064108;1427048465;mircea_popescu;i knew i had it somewhere, but forgot where. 1064109;1427048478;mircea_popescu;an' nao brb writing an article. 1064110;1427051621;decimation;jurov: Luther has many great writings. Unfortunately most of those who belong to churches that he founded have tended to overlook his writings 1064111;1427051775;decimation;cazalla: The Wire is a pretty good take on how life in the 'big city' works in the us - and its bureaucracy 1064112;1427051820;decimation;it's not strictly historical but the main author was a journalist who covered the baltimore police for a long time 1064113;1427052524;funkenstein_;got my mycelium stuxnet entropy in the mail yesterday 1064114;1427052600;mircea_popescu;!up fhiejeurjjurru 1064115;1427052616;fhiejeurjjurru;Whats up 1064116;1427052622;funkenstein_;came with a free difficult to decipher t-shirt that says "entropy this ease freedom" 1064117;1427052659;funkenstein_;apparently grammar too restrictive 1064118;1427053129;fhiejeurjjurru;Yo yo yop 1064119;1427053136;fhiejeurjjurru;Whats up everyone 1064120;1427053150;mircea_popescu;who're you, randomname ? 1064121;1427053241;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron hey, mind writing a "for total noobs" guide for deedbot in the b-a wiki ? 1064122;1427053252;mircea_popescu;i intend to use it for the eulora new accounts process, and well... 1064123;1427053467;fhiejeurjjurru;Yo 1064124;1427053694;fhiejeurjjurru;Yo 1064125;1427053701;fhiejeurjjurru;Whats up everyone 1064126;1427053810;mircea_popescu;!down fhiejeurjjurru 1064127;1427053815;mircea_popescu;greeting scripts nao ffs. 1064128;1427054049;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/more-problems-of-meta/ 1064129;1427055494;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064023 << lollerblades! 1064130;1427055494;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 09:18:50; trinque: I think we just solved it, representative democracy is a trauma I can no longer acknowledge exists 1064131;1427055562;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064041 << jamaica IS unbearable, and way under marakesh level. 1064132;1427055562;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 13:57:41; nubbins`: 'cause if that's the case, jamaica must be *unbearable* 1064133;1427055607;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064049 << ahahahaha fu nubbs! 1064134;1427055607;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 14:05:31; nubbins`: the only reason MP gets away with being a prick is because his articles are circuitous enough that it's not worth the effort to construct counter-arguments 1064135;1427056030;mircea_popescu;"While the collection has not been officially valued, reports in the French and international press have estimated that it could be worth as much as 120 million euros, or about $130 million." 1064136;1427056042;mircea_popescu;gtfo, 300 pieces for under half a million on average ? 1064137;1427056046;mircea_popescu;what is this, the 70s ? 1064138;1427056238;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064071 << oh certainly. 1064139;1427056238;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 16:17:10; asciilifeform: re: picasso article: i can easily imagine a 'Dark Future of Hello Kitty' (TM) where a plebe found with ten fifty is prosecuted because 'he could only have obtained them by stealing from j.p.morgan, stop telling lies, there's no other way' 1064140;1427056283;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064076 << the problem is they didn't have title. 1064141;1427056283;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 16:28:24; asciilifeform: because 'prove you didn't steal it' if you aren't one 1064142;1427056303;mircea_popescu;gifts are nice and good but for unperishables it is always a good idea to obtain a piece of paper too. any golddigger knows this. 1064143;1427056786;ben_vulpes;how does title to bitcoins work? 1064144;1427056791;ben_vulpes;is the private key not adequate title? 1064145;1427057117;mircea_popescu;nope. 1064146;1427057122;mircea_popescu;no one has any title to any bitcoin. 1064147;1427057141;decimation;in the us title to personal property is rarely documented (outside of automobiles) 1064148;1427057147;mircea_popescu;obv, fake title will be constructed by convention, but hey. not unlike saying "the moon belongs to X" 1064149;1427057157;mircea_popescu;decimation valuable art is not "personal property" 1064150;1427057220;decimation;well, it isn't real property 1064151;1427057256;thestringpuller;is it just me or does this tank look ghetto: http://i.imgur.com/KTwWOdk.jpg 1064152;1427057297;decimation;certainly some signed document that says "I bequeath X to Y" would be helpful in any reasonable court 1064153;1427057383;mircea_popescu;it is real property, of course it is. 1064154;1427057384;mircea_popescu;how not ? 1064155;1427057401;mircea_popescu;it has its own variant of torens title and everything. 1064156;1427057415;decimation;it's mobile? 1064157;1427057417;mircea_popescu;so ? 1064158;1427057436;mircea_popescu;that's just shorthand, "oh, real estate is that estate which can not move" 1064159;1427057474;mircea_popescu;real estate is that estate which is identifiable in itself, rather than by its characteristics. 1064160;1427057494;mircea_popescu;that's why if i steal your house i am ordered to give you back ~your house~ but if i steal your bottle of beer i am ordered to pay you for a beer. 1064161;1427057496;decimation;I think this might be a difference between common and continental law 1064162;1427057510;mircea_popescu;very much doubt it, seeing how the above is at common law. 1064163;1427057556;mircea_popescu;the remedies available distinguish the nature of property, and the remedies for chattels (your "personal" property) are of same value, because chattels are fungible. 1064164;1427057564;mircea_popescu;castles and drawings by picasso are not fungible. 1064165;1427057676;thestringpuller;http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-pc-sales-weak-as-many-businesses-stick-with-windows-xp/ 1064166;1427057746;decimation;http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1727 < I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of the term 'real property' is that it only includes the land and immovable improvements 1064167;1427057747;assbot;Legal Dictionary | Law.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLEGo2 ) 1064168;1427057810;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/i0jvyiv.gifv << This kid has his priorities straight. 1064169;1427057976;mircea_popescu;decimation always see the actual source. http://app.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=458-12-010 1064170;1427057978;assbot;WAC 458-12-010: Definition—Property—Real. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLFfOI ) 1064171;1427058005;mircea_popescu;take for instance "(7) Standing timber growing on land which belongs to the same person as the timber." 1064172;1427058009;mircea_popescu;certainly movable. 1064173;1427058096;mircea_popescu;and so are titles of various kinds - such as to mineral rights, or whatever. 1064174;1427058119;mircea_popescu;it's not usually made much of, but the sensible way to take stuff like famous artpieces is exactly real estate. 1064175;1427058137;decimation;well, I agree that it would make sense to do things that way 1064176;1427058147;decimation;the us legal system isn't famous for making much sense 1064177;1427058166;decimation;for instance, hardly any jurisdictions use 'torrens title' 1064178;1427058184;decimation;it is standard practice to pay third parties to 'insure' the title chain is 'clean' 1064179;1427058201;mircea_popescu;sure. 1064180;1427058223;mircea_popescu;but anyway, if one wishes to avoid the sort of problem those giftees faced... get title with the gift. 1064181;1427058260;decimation;aye, a receipt of some kind would be handy to avoid exactly this. even for bitcoin, if you plan on arguing in front of a 'legacy' judge 1064182;1427058352;mircea_popescu;no. 1064183;1427058361;mircea_popescu;for bitcoin it does not work, because no one has any title. 1064184;1427058376;mircea_popescu;picasso himself did have title to his own paintings, and so he could transmit title to them. 1064185;1427058394;mircea_popescu;but there isn't someoine with title to bitcoin (other than, arguably, satoshi, which is WHY his disappearance is so important) 1064186;1427058412;mircea_popescu;and since one can't give what one does not have, it then follows that one can't actually give bitcoin. 1064187;1427058435;mircea_popescu;(the usg will readily dispute this claiming they actually DO have title to bitcoin they confiscate, and then create chain of title from there. this argument is illogical). 1064188;1427058544;decimation;but logic is hardly the foundation of states, rather brazen claims of possession. 1064189;1427058580;mircea_popescu;sure, but as far as brazen claims go they could also claim your wife. 1064190;1427058587;mircea_popescu;god knows they already claim your children. 1064191;1427058618;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/#comment-113239 << check that one out. 1064192;1427058619;assbot;GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLGZHz ) 1064193;1427058719;thestringpuller;looks like that tracks from qntra 1064194;1427058721;thestringpuller;interesting 1064195;1427058747;mircea_popescu;it does ? 1064196;1427058787;mircea_popescu;http://nap.univacc.net/ << lulz of all fucking time, incidentally. 1064197;1427058788;assbot;NAP: The Non-Aggression Principle ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLHmSt ) 1064198;1427058804;mircea_popescu;"It is possible to construct a rational argument, from broadly agreeable premises, that leads directly to the NAP." is a direct equivalent to "i can prove that blue eyes are what god intended" 1064199;1427058837;thestringpuller;looks like it, not that it actually does. There is a links from recent qntra article same date as comment that links to GPG contract article on trilema. 1064200;1427058842;mircea_popescu;" While the Non-Aggression Principle does not have anything direct to say about the legitimacy of retaliation" << entirely spurious distinction. there's no logical difference between "retaliation" and "initiation" 1064201;1427058849;mircea_popescu;de novo acts are not in fact possible. 1064202;1427058866;mircea_popescu;once innovation is admitted as an arbitrary construct, well... it's a political matter. 1064203;1427058883;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller you mean today ? 1064204;1427058890;thestringpuller;yes 1064205;1427058894;thestringpuller;3/22 1064206;1427058897;decimation;there's a libertarian fantasy world where humans are required 'play nice' because of some kind of rationalist first-principle 1064207;1427058904;mircea_popescu;makes sense then 1064208;1427058913;mircea_popescu;decimation yes but it's bunko through and through. 1064209;1427058970;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's the flag. mebbe some intellectual leadership of that movement whatever it may be sees it, feels equal to the task of representing their ideas in front of the world rather than in some carefully constructed echo chamber and comes prove it. 1064210;1427058980;jurov;reminds me of "it increased hedonic index of the school" (guess from where) 1064211;1427058983;mircea_popescu;feel free to distribute teh log links to your friends. 1064212;1427059006;mircea_popescu;jurov the guy with the bad harry potter fanfic ? 1064213;1427059017;jurov;yes, that. 1064214;1427059027;mircea_popescu;your phrasing gave it away :p 1064215;1427059036;decimation;heh yeah 1064216;1427059037;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: when I first joined this channel at the collapse of GLBSE you said, "Scammers just help the legitimate businesses' reputation that much more." My friend this past year went on to say, "In the new world, the most trusted person need not to be liked, because well he's trustworthy. He/She could be a complete asshole if as long as they do their job." 1064217;1427059108;thestringpuller;so i've gone on to realize that the redditard mentality of "I don't like this person == I don't trust this person" is completely false on all accounts. 1064218;1427059121;thestringpuller;Perhaps within politics gettings someone to "like your platform" is moot altogether. 1064219;1427059390;fluffypony;thestringpuller the easiest way to understand why that mentality fails is to state the inverse 1064220;1427059397;fluffypony;"I like this person == I trust this person" 1064221;1427059408;fluffypony;most con artists are very likeable 1064222;1427059424;fluffypony;and most of the people I would trust to keep my money for me are...well..not likeable at all 1064223;1427059431;fluffypony;which is the point :-P 1064224;1427059438;mircea_popescu;the entire "like/dislike" process as practiced by esl people atm is due for some reform. 1064225;1427059451;thestringpuller;which reform? 1064226;1427059455;mircea_popescu;recall that idiot that was droning on about how he "didn;t like" some local woman because "she was racist" ? 1064227;1427059461;mircea_popescu;well... that's not how it works. 1064228;1427059486;fluffypony;lol 1064229;1427059492;mircea_popescu;the group of people who think they like tgi tuesdays because X cultural reasons, irrespective of the food, 1064230;1427059498;mircea_popescu;they can't really survive in the wild. 1064231;1427059534;thestringpuller;well this is primal no? D00d is stranded on island and has to kill for food. Hasn't killed before, so choice is: kill or die. 1064232;1427059542;mircea_popescu;ok... ? 1064233;1427059578;mircea_popescu;how about stranded on island, east half of which is constantly flooded, all esl-ians gather there because "it looks just like the bay area, man!" 1064234;1427059596;mircea_popescu;how the "bay area" looks is really not all that important. 1064235;1427059615;mircea_popescu;the various cultural conventions of stupid, while the leading heuristic leading the stupid, aren't really all that important on their own either. 1064236;1427059648;mircea_popescu;fluffypony generally, the thing there is that people who are trustworthy are uncompromising, and people who are popular are very, VERY compromising. 1064237;1427059658;dignork;decimation: Rothbard never claimed people would 'play nice', just that current system of control is fucked up. 1064238;1427059668;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: spot on 1064239;1427059669;mircea_popescu;so perfectly likeable folk (if you're sane) will look like total assholes (to idiots). 1064240;1427059679;mircea_popescu;which idiots then go on to "really trust the brick and mortar neobee" and well.. 1064241;1427059713;thestringpuller;it's a sickness to say the least. 1064242;1427059730;mircea_popescu;but likeable != popular, nor are the applause of the mob worth anything nowadays, like they weren't worth anything when cicero walked the earth 1064243;1427059769;mircea_popescu;and so here we go, " people with a pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy (e.g. API and UI design)" 1064244;1427059788;decimation;was that a slight at the gpg maintainers or stallman? 1064245;1427059800;mircea_popescu;well, i readily grant gpg is pure shit. 1064246;1427059827;mircea_popescu;just, manure, as george observed, is almost pleasant if you get down to it : there's a pg, which isn't bad, with a gnu in front of it. 1064247;1427059842;mircea_popescu;at least it's not out and out systempoison. 1064248;1427059856;decimation;dignork: the fucked-upness of the "current system" doesn't justify appealing to some bit of dubious reasoning 1064249;1427059896;mircea_popescu;decimation i think his point stands tho, rothbard never said it, and what idiots trying to be "rothbardian" understood of it all isn't really relevant. 1064250;1427059918;*;mircea_popescu shudders at the thourght of "true trilemians" long after his death doing really stupid shit. 1064251;1427059943;decimation;heh. reminds me of the 'museum fremen' 1064252;1427059966;mircea_popescu;go to cairo, plenty of "museum arabs" irl. 1064253;1427059973;mircea_popescu;or at least, were, during mubarak days. 1064254;1427059976;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: which idiots then go on to "really trust the... << I was always taught never to make a business decision out of emotion. Making a business decision based on "liking someone" fits this methinks. 1064255;1427060019;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller now turn that on its head : business decisions without human heuristic can't beat adlai's scalpl. 1064256;1427060022;mircea_popescu;by definition. 1064257;1427060044;chetty;yeah that gut instinct thing still counts 1064258;1427060066;thestringpuller;ah, i was about to ask that. "The Gut" 1064259;1427060210;nubbins`;asciilifeform sorry, your book can't be bound in sealskin anymore ;/ 1064260;1427060216;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/corner-brook-woman-s-sealskin-purse-seized-at-u-s-border-1.3004760 1064261;1427060217;assbot;Corner Brook woman's sealskin purse seized at U.S. border - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLKU7s ) 1064262;1427060229;mircea_popescu;lmao 1064263;1427060237;decimation;nubbins`: was she an eskimo or whatever 1064264;1427060257;mircea_popescu;yet somehow this ain't making the news. "hey, more shit you're not good enough to have!" not really interesting to anyone. 1064265;1427060305;funkenstein_;border fascists can take anything 1064266;1427060326;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/03/openssl-severe-vulnerability-to-be-revealed-march-19th/ << anything came of this btw ? 1064267;1427060327;assbot;OpenSSL Severe Vulnerability to be Revealed March 19th | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLLamQ ) 1064268;1427060358;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ i fully expect it will eventually be illegal to wear leather, natural fibers, etc. everyone must plastic! 1064269;1427060365;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's when i start shooting. 1064270;1427060389;decimation;when did the crazy fur nazis start making usg border policy? 1064271;1427060394;funkenstein_;i back you up 1064272;1427060397;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Just some Denial of service stuff. The LibreSSL fork was only affected by 5 or so of the 13 or 14 vulnerabilities 1064273;1427060413;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo imo after an article like that must make update "here's what it was" 1064274;1427060420;mircea_popescu;sorta reads like a promise to keep reader updateds. 1064275;1427060426;mircea_popescu;!up execut3 1064276;1427060435;funkenstein_;but my legal advice reminds me border forces are basically above the law 1064277;1427060436;mircea_popescu;decimation 80s or so ? 1064278;1427060460;mircea_popescu;!up execut3 1064279;1427060558;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Will do in a bit 1064280;1427060685;thestringpuller;!up ascii_modem 1064281;1427060698;nubbins`;funkenstein_ +1 1064282;1427060711;ascii_modem;ssl vuln << yes; check log 1064283;1427060713;nubbins`;;;dict basically 1064284;1427060713;gribble;wn: basically adv 1: in essence; at bottom or by one's (or its) very nature; "He is basically dishonest"; "the argument was essentially a technical one"; "for all his bluster he is in essence a shy person" [syn: {basically}, {fundamentally}, {essentially}] 1064285;1427060735;nubbins`;contrast with colloquial defn: "sorta" 1064286;1427060776;nubbins`;for further reading on why i won't mail one: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/extradition-order-issued-for-pot-activist-emery-1.878376 1064287;1427060779;assbot;Extradition order issued for pot activist Emery - British Columbia - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLM9Ds ) 1064288;1427060779;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> danielpbarron hey, mind writing a "for total noobs" guide for deedbot in the b-a wiki ? << i can do that 1064289;1427060781;ascii_modem;it was a mindfuck. bunch of possibly remoteexec vulns and no real scandal followed 1064290;1427060843;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem aha 1064291;1427060867;trinque;danielpbarron: I am mobile atm but can answer questions. 1064292;1427060878;trinque;back at puter shortly 1064293;1427060887;danielpbarron;i'm also mobile atm 1064294;1427060892;ascii_modem;openssl phasetransitioned to the place where winblows lives 1064295;1427060905;ascii_modem;where nobody gives a phuq 1064296;1427060906;decimation;'spiritual winblows' 1064297;1427060929;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem im curious how BingoBoingo's update reads is all :) 1064298;1427060980;decimation;I can see why linus was pissy about the pr given to 'security bugs' 1064299;1427061009;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064084 << the complaint is not that it's illogical, but that the desire of the convicted felon to stab the guards must not succeed and should not succeed. 1064300;1427061009;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 16:56:21; asciilifeform: is it any wonder, given this picture, that homo redditicus wishes to mangle hierarchy, even if it nukes civilization? it seems as logical as wishing to stab the guards, given the chance, when you're imprisoned in auschwitz. 1064301;1427061047;ascii_modem;linus was right re: turdcode being all across everything 1064302;1427061104;nubbins`;"the 1972 U.S. Marine Mammal Protection Act. The act categorically bans "imports or sales of all marine mammal products", regardless of the conservation status of the animal" 1064303;1427061129;decimation;ascii_modem: yeah, the problem with the security 'pr' releases is the implication is that once they are 'fixed' everything is great! 1064304;1427061153;nubbins`;mp wasn't joking re: more shit you're not good enough to have 1064305;1427061172;mircea_popescu;mp doesn't joke half the times he gets credit for. 1064306;1427061177;nubbins`;^ 1064307;1427061177;ascii_modem;import live and shoot stateside, skin. 1064308;1427061192;nubbins`;as if /that's/ allowed 1064309;1427061204;nubbins`;barely get away with it here 1064310;1427061227;ascii_modem;but border guard doesnt autocatch then. 1064311;1427061248;nubbins`;doesn't autocatch a /live seal/? 1064312;1427061261;ascii_modem;live may be legal? ianal 1064313;1427061283;nubbins`;you'd measure the forms in inches, not pages 1064314;1427061297;decimation;wait for one to present itself at the coast? 1064315;1427061337;nubbins`;given the rate at which melting sea ice from imaginary climate change is shrinking polar bear populations, which are one of the only things keeping seal populations in check... 1064316;1427061352;nubbins`;you're probably 20 years away from actually seeing above 1064317;1427061385;mircea_popescu;nah, seals don't like warm shores. 1064318;1427061406;nubbins`;nor do they like starving 1064319;1427061467;decimation;http://www.orlandoweekly.com/orlando/eat-at-dougs/Content?oid=2260720 < related "Jim and Bub watched each other, smirking. Ultimately, Bub couldn't keep quiet anymore. "Mr. Billman, you're about to tear into a 100-percent, grade-A, free-range, Florida-raised dugong steak." "Dugong?" I asked."Manatee." " 1064320;1427061470;assbot;Eat at Doug's | News | Orlando Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLNEle ) 1064321;1427061496;mircea_popescu;but anytway, yes, all the "ecology" and "protection" legislation in the us has exactly nothing to do with anything but "you plebs, off to your gruel". it's copied exactly off the forest laws of medieval england 1064322;1427061507;nubbins`;you can buy seal burgers at restaurants here occasionally 1064323;1427061517;nubbins`;flipper pie, w/e 1064324;1427061524;mircea_popescu;(and no, forest does not mean "heavily wooded", it means "set aside from common law, at the disposition of the king". much like "real estate" does not mean "thick withj buildings") 1064325;1427061557;mircea_popescu;ie, it comes from latin foris. 1064326;1427061570;nubbins`;people *love* sealskin boots, purses, hats, etc 1064327;1427061592;nubbins`;generally very silly looking 1064328;1427061593;decimation;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4122800.stm 1064329;1427061594;assbot;BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Japan puts whale burger on menu ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLNWsg ) 1064330;1427061600;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah, actual people. not usians tho. usians hate them, as they should. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064084 1064331;1427061600;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 16:56:21; asciilifeform: is it any wonder, given this picture, that homo redditicus wishes to mangle hierarchy, even if it nukes civilization? it seems as logical as wishing to stab the guards, given the chance, when you're imprisoned in auschwitz. 1064332;1427061803;nubbins`;bbl musique! 1064333;1427061859;funkenstein_;decimation, research purposes? 1064334;1427061921;mircea_popescu;nah, they actually eat them, but have for > 30 years claimed their whalers are "researchers" 1064335;1427062249;funkenstein_;motherfuckers make me want to do a little research of my own 1064336;1427062399;mircea_popescu;i dunno, whale's not all that great. 1064337;1427062677;thestringpuller;http://onehouressays.com/ 1064338;1427064270;decimation;re: it's more the principle of the matter. japan wants to assert that japan, and not usg, make japan policy 1064339;1427064276;decimation;this is obviously silly 1064340;1427064296;mircea_popescu;not so obvious. 1064341;1427064392;decimation;isn't japan wholly dependent on the us for defense? 1064342;1427065167;mircea_popescu;and if the wife is fully dependent on husband for sustenance this means what, that she doesn't fuck whoever she pleases ? 1064343;1427065170;mircea_popescu;naive view. 1064344;1427065209;trinque;seems like the self-defense force has been pushing for an open relationship gradually over the years 1064345;1427065235;mircea_popescu;moreover... "Defense". defense from whom ? clearly it can't rely on the us to defend it from the us, an' so... 1064346;1427065833;thestringpuller;http://www.coinbuzz.com/2015/03/22/bitproof-whiz-kid-looking-for-business-niche/ 1064347;1427065897;trinque;"whiz kid" ... "demo day" ... ah god :P 1064348;1427065974;trinque;wtf is this deedbot? 1064349;1427065990;trinque;guys where is my 5mil in VC cheese for deedbot?! 1064350;1427066036;decimation;mircea_popescu: an' so... master and man? 1064351;1427066082;mircea_popescu;lol 1064352;1427066592;ben_vulpes;trinque: slaves to the wot 1064353;1427066637;thestringpuller;https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/579642765769867266 << the undead continues 1064354;1427067017;funkenstein_;third wheel solutions 1064355;1427067195;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller so many whizz kidz, so little whizz chezz... 1064356;1427067211;*;mircea_popescu tries to even remember who these were, memory fails. 1064357;1427067598;trinque;\w+ \w+ Solutions 1064358;1427067601;trinque;the imitation never ends 1064359;1427067777;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch 1064360;1427068083;jurov;scoopbot -dropdead 1064361;1427068098;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/march-19th-openssl-vulnerabilities-overview/ 1064362;1427068105;jurov;ha! 1064363;1427068113;BingoBoingo;jurov's got the magic command 1064364;1427068497;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the problem is they didn't have title << does a suitcase full of benjies have 'title' ? or a tonne of gold bar? or not because fungible 1064365;1427068521;asciilifeform;and why exactly is this concept of permission from the state to be recognized as the owner, a useful thing ? 1064366;1427068538;asciilifeform;if 'possession is 9/10th of the law,' as is the maxim, why not 10/10 ? 1064367;1427068596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: castles and drawings by picasso are not fungible << i'd argue that picassos are more or less 'analogue bitcoin' for the ultra-bezzlerich. hence my interest in the linked turd 1064368;1427068646;asciilifeform;other than, arguably, satoshi, which is WHY his disappearance is so important << what would a picture with a living satoshi look like ? 1064369;1427068658;asciilifeform;usg will readily dispute this claiming they actually DO have title to bitcoin they confiscate << guaranteed. 1064370;1427068758;asciilifeform;'In fact, I rather suspect that GPG will fade away as other implementations gain currency. It's old, crusty, built from barely readable source code, license terms inhibited, and maintained by people with a pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy (e.g. API and UI design)' << mega-l0l. thing is, in a way the fool is right, it 'faded away' the same way common lisp did. which is t 1064371;1427068758;asciilifeform;o say not at all, but it isn't aggressively tossed in anyone's face and hence 'does not exist' in the mind of the populist idiots.. 1064372;1427068796;asciilifeform;'It is possible to construct a rational argument, from broadly agreeable premises, that leads directly to the NAP...' << these folks use 'natural law' crapolade as a crutch to avoid the demand of having agency 1064373;1427068817;asciilifeform;too few balls, they have, to utter 'an ought' straight up 1064374;1427068847;asciilifeform;the people I would trust to keep my money for me are...well..not likeable at all << obligatory: my original review of MPEx. 1064375;1427068862;asciilifeform;(it was an essay largely about this concept) 1064376;1427068971;asciilifeform;'Under the terms of the deal, Emery is expecting return to Canada to serve his sentence, said Tousaw.' << wai wat!?!?! canada offers 'sit in jail for your crimes in usa' service? how about iran? can i do time in canada for blasphemy against the prophet ? 1064377;1427068997;asciilifeform;http://xkcd.com/180 << obligatory 1064378;1427068998;assbot;xkcd: Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bn2U17 ) 1064379;1427069084;asciilifeform;it's copied exactly off the forest laws of medieval england << who, then, are the nobles? is obamitler walking around in seal coat? warren buffett ? 1064380;1427069262;asciilifeform;trinque: guys where is my 5mil in VC cheese for deedbot?! << obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 1064381;1427069262;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. 1064382;1427069285;*;asciilifeform caught up on log... finally 1064383;1427069398;decimation;asciilifeform: the question in my mind is the concept of 'title' without reference to the state. it seems to me that it is meaningless outside a particular legal code 1064384;1427069428;decimation;or perhaps resolves to 'imma kill u 'n take ur stuff' 1064385;1427069471;asciilifeform;decimation: meaningless without state as far as i can see 1064386;1427069493;asciilifeform;not necessarily the modern totalitarian monstrosity. but state in some form 1064387;1427069520;asciilifeform;or at least a coalition of folks who are able to penalize you for violating the title (could wot do this? possibly) 1064388;1427069563;*;asciilifeform not expert on the practical mechanics of electric feudalism 1064389;1427069589;decimation;heh. 1064390;1427069649;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064364 << constructive title. 1064391;1427069649;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 23:54:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is they didn't have title << does a suitcase full of benjies have 'title' ? or a tonne of gold bar? or not because fungible 1064392;1427069663;mircea_popescu;which is why the whole "confiscated cash in drug bust" thing. 1064393;1427069689;mircea_popescu;note that i'm not saying anything about what's useful, merely going through how the logic of that thing works. 1064394;1427069701;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i always read it as 'plebe may not possess allocatory capital tokens' thing 1064395;1427069725;asciilifeform;(which a sufficiently heavy bag of benjies would in principle be) 1064396;1427069737;mircea_popescu;well, you can read it any way you want, but legally, it flows from "title is title, if you don't have title you may use constructive title (possession is 9/10 of the law and all that), except so and so" 1064397;1427069763;asciilifeform;was picasso listed as an 'except so' ? 1064398;1427069766;*;asciilifeform ianal 1064399;1427069787;mircea_popescu;"except so and so" = "except if it seems to come from drugdealing" 1064400;1427069800;asciilifeform;any fr jurists here? davout ? 1064401;1427069803;mircea_popescu;but that's the font of all the "prove you didn't steal it" thing. 1064402;1427069810;asciilifeform;are picassos presumed to come from dope work ? 1064403;1427069832;mircea_popescu;that's not the controlling bit. the controlling bit is, "can you prove this is yours ?" 1064404;1427069935;*;asciilifeform unable to find 'constructive title' in reference; only found 'constructive possession' 1064405;1427069964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00027062 = 3.721 BTC [-] 1064406;1427070007;mircea_popescu;i made up the term for this discussion. 1064407;1427070012;asciilifeform;l0l 1064408;1427070012;mircea_popescu;prolly shoulda added scarequotes. 1064409;1427070022;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so, under this concept, if cannot prove that it is yours, it reverts to the last registered owner? 1064410;1427070031;mircea_popescu;yep 1064411;1427070047;mircea_popescu;which is why the picassos aren't going to the state, but to the heirs. 1064412;1427070065;asciilifeform;except they did go to the state. the heirs, note, didn't show up with rifle to take it 1064413;1427070070;asciilifeform;the state helpfully did it for them 1064414;1427070094;mircea_popescu;how's that relevant ? 1064415;1427070119;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064373 << might be exactly the problem, on superficial perusal of the literature. 1064416;1427070119;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 00:00:17; asciilifeform: too few balls, they have, to utter 'an ought' straight up 1064417;1427070126;asciilifeform;that it was servants of the crown who not only showed up to dekulakize the electrician, but handed out jail term 1064418;1427070155;asciilifeform;but i get the legal fiction involved, yes 1064419;1427070182;mircea_popescu;aite then 1064420;1427070233;mircea_popescu;but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title. 1064421;1427070250;mircea_popescu;in this view of Bitcoin, only Draper has any, or whoever bought it from USG. 1064422;1427070251;asciilifeform;seems like inevitably will be tried 1064423;1427070255;mircea_popescu;sort-of like a usg-run laundromat. 1064424;1427070258;mircea_popescu;likely, yeah. 1064425;1427070263;asciilifeform;didn't this already have one go around ? 1064426;1427070269;asciilifeform;some idiot had 'whitelist' 1064427;1427070269;mircea_popescu;not afaik., 1064428;1427070276;*;asciilifeform distinctly recalls 1064429;1427070281;asciilifeform;!s whitelisting 1064430;1427070281;assbot;3 results for 'whitelisting' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whitelisting 1064431;1427070283;asciilifeform;!s whitelist 1064432;1427070284;assbot;50 results for 'whitelist' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whitelist 1064433;1427070291;mircea_popescu;but it jives very well with "so what if we can't control bitcoin - it'd divisible, so let's just carve a kiddy pool and play in there! " 1064434;1427070302;asciilifeform;!s taxcoin 1064435;1427070303;assbot;2 results for 'taxcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=taxcoin 1064436;1427070314;decimation;luke-jr was kinda advocating the blacklist if I recall 1064437;1427070348;decimation;!up Luke-Jr 1064438;1427070358;decimation;didn't you advance a blacklist in gentoo? 1064439;1427070365;funkenstein_;actually that kinda makes more sense than a separate fedcoin 1064440;1427070379;asciilifeform;iirc he understood that other folks would choose to relay the 'bad' tx 1064441;1427070382;Luke-Jr;what blacklist are you claiming I advocate? 1064442;1427070387;Luke-Jr;decimation: no 1064443;1427070389;asciilifeform;but wanted to make some kind of statement against dice 1064444;1427070486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fedcoin carved from bitcoin is missing key feature for them - forced transfer 1064445;1427070507;asciilifeform;what do they do when it is time to confiscate? revoke the blessing on the coin? this doesn't move it back into the state coffer 1064446;1427070516;asciilifeform;nor enabled them to mint debased coin at will 1064447;1427070534;asciilifeform;an altcoin (with some form of key escrow) still seems likely imho 1064448;1427070544;asciilifeform;(as a candidate for 'fedcoin') 1064449;1427070546;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suppose they make a few peers that use Luke-Jr style rules, and then ddos the ~60 or so remaining nodes. 1064450;1427070561;mircea_popescu;there's a reason usgavin & co pretend like nodes are not important while trying to make them not feasible. 1064451;1427070576;mircea_popescu;sadly for that party the attempt to do so quietly failed catastrophically, but what's that mean ? 1064452;1427070591;funkenstein_;you don't have to ddos the remaining nodes.. just declare your colored coins to be worth 10x the others 1064453;1427070606;mircea_popescu;... 1064454;1427070612;asciilifeform;in exchange for freshly printed green 1064455;1427070615;asciilifeform;funkenstein_ has it 1064456;1427070623;decimation;usg could just arrest/seize/forfeit nodes it doesn't like 1064457;1427070631;mircea_popescu;or at any rate try. 1064458;1427070665;asciilifeform;it is worth asking what usg would be trying to accomplish with fedcoin 1064459;1427070668;mircea_popescu;but notice that the people who do not suffer from that famous " pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy " will not have much problems using usg-nodes anyway 1064460;1427070670;mircea_popescu;and so... 1064461;1427070684;asciilifeform;for some purposes 'colouring' existing btc as funkenstein_ described would work 1064462;1427070692;asciilifeform;and less noise, less fuss, than gasenwagen 1064463;1427070704;asciilifeform;'woah my shit is worth 10x, sell' goes typical lamer 1064464;1427070707;funkenstein_;like newton did with gold 1064465;1427070715;mircea_popescu;the only purpose it would really work for is, giving us a lot of weaponry to kill them with 1064466;1427070718;decimation;asciilifeform: but then usg is stuck with backing dollars with bitcoin 1064467;1427070720;mircea_popescu;which is why i kinda suspect it's inevitable. 1064468;1427070747;funkenstein_;i think this is a post dollar discussion 1064469;1427070751;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the kill shot would involve an 'arse-mouth system', no? 1064470;1427070759;mircea_popescu;everything since 2009 or so is a post-dollar discussion. 1064471;1427070768;asciilifeform;where 1) idiot fed pays 10x 2) mr jihad buys 10x normal coin 3) ??? 4) go to 1 1064472;1427070781;funkenstein_;wish i was here earlier :) 1064473;1427070784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, they bought isis the weapons and then they bought isis the meatsacks to practice shooting round tikrit. 1064474;1427070792;mircea_popescu;seems to me they mostly buy us shit, so. 1064475;1427070802;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 100% same as afghan campaign '03-present 1064476;1427070804;decimation;well, people in ohio need jobs see... 1064477;1427070817;mircea_popescu;right, so why would one expect different ? 1064478;1427070857;asciilifeform;but i can see the 'win' from afghan - lockheed, grumman, halliburton, general dynamics, etc. get to churn inventory 1064479;1427070864;asciilifeform;the actual purpose of every usg mil engagement since korea 1064480;1427070870;asciilifeform;but what'd be the 'win' here ? 1064481;1427070879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15138 @ 0.00027062 = 4.0966 BTC [-] 1064482;1427070881;mircea_popescu;i dunno, draper gets to pretend like he's a savvy businessman ? 1064483;1427070886;mircea_popescu;after pretending like he bought bitcoin ? 1064484;1427070889;mircea_popescu;gotta keep the pretense up. 1064485;1427070984;decimation;I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket 1064486;1427070986;asciilifeform;as i understand, operating with the 'monetary system as storage battery' model (mr mold's ?) usg has two possible (non-exclusive) agendas re: btc: 1) steal charge from the battery 2) blow up the battery 1064487;1427070994;asciilifeform;ideally 1+2, i venture to guess, from their point of view 1064488;1427071003;asciilifeform;but separable conceptually 1064489;1427071008;mircea_popescu;neither works. 1064490;1427071017;asciilifeform;sure - but which is the desired one 1064491;1427071022;mircea_popescu;the only actually available thing is, print a "Obama made this lolz" sticker, try to affix. 1064492;1427071026;asciilifeform;for the current set of lizardfolk 1064493;1427071039;mircea_popescu;and so i imagine this is what they'll do. 1064494;1427071060;asciilifeform;decimation: german 'v1' 1064495;1427071076;decimation;moldbug thought the us would jail exchanges/possessors, but usg lost the initiative on that one 1064496;1427071088;asciilifeform;decimation: actually they didn't need to jail - no one dared 1064497;1427071091;asciilifeform;afaik 1064498;1427071095;mircea_popescu;i told him he was wrong back then. sadly... as per the castrato model, never answered. 1064499;1427071097;asciilifeform;to make a non-usg exchange in usa 1064500;1427071154;decimation;kinda like a 'v1', but with the appropriate tracking/seeking system, and an entire fleet in orbit around 'La Serenissima' 1064501;1427071157;asciilifeform;thing is, there are multiple overlapping fields of fire re: usg vs exchanges. e.g., banks monitor -all- incoming and outgoing flow 1064502;1427071192;asciilifeform;decimation: pertinent thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2014#934786 1064503;1427071192;assbot;Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it. 1064504;1427071211;decimation;yes, presumes the ability to manufacture jet parts 1064505;1427071217;decimation;not a 'partizan' system 1064506;1427071219;asciilifeform;aviation, by and large, only works when you're a mega-state with maxint constantly replaced slaves to parasitise 1064507;1427071234;asciilifeform;decimation: make me so much as a transistor circa 1950 with partizan tech. 1064508;1427071251;decimation;I would settle for a partizan bank 1064509;1427071271;funkenstein_;transistor tech has changed a bit in 40 years, jet engines not so much 1064510;1427071291;decimation;as I recall the 'v1' had no moving parts 1064511;1427071296;asciilifeform;fine. make a me262 with jungle tech. 1064512;1427071304;decimation;hehe yea not me262 though 1064513;1427071305;asciilifeform;or even the same 'v1' 1064514;1427071320;asciilifeform;or hell, a single ak round. 1064515;1427071327;decimation;at a minimum you would need fairly modern metallurgy 1064516;1427071341;asciilifeform;most folks who go in for this line of thought, have no idea how much industry is baked into even something like an ak round. 1064517;1427071366;decimation;yeah, especially if you want to make it 'from ore' 1064518;1427071367;asciilifeform;no need to pontificate - the folks in palestine are playing 'junkyard wars' warfare as we speak 1064519;1427071373;asciilifeform;check out what kind of weapons they fight with. 1064520;1427071388;decimation;old busted ex soviet stuff welded to toyotas, etc 1064521;1427071400;asciilifeform;well, to be fair, they have rockets made from old plumbing 1064522;1427071406;asciilifeform;but iirc that's the top of their game 1064523;1427071414;asciilifeform;(with respect to self-made items) 1064524;1427071418;decimation;or your 'recoiless rifles' 1064525;1427071428;asciilifeform;those - imported. 1064526;1427071463;decimation;as are the actually effective guided rockets 1064527;1427071501;decimation;although I think a guided rocket is more likely to be manufactured by a 'partizan' than bullets actually 1064528;1427071521;asciilifeform;marginally. 1064529;1427071534;decimation;still would need good metal and precision milling 1064530;1427071550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4518 @ 0.00027062 = 1.2227 BTC [-] 1064531;1427071554;asciilifeform;and good post-metalwork process (temper) 1064532;1427071588;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is yet another reason why i try to convince folks to read about electrolytic milling 1064533;1427071615;asciilifeform;(afaik a soviet-only technology, to date, at least in the sense of general-purpose multi-axis milling rather than glorified casting - all you'll find on the subject in english) 1064534;1427071624;asciilifeform;electrolysis doesn't give a flying fuck about temper 1064535;1427071631;asciilifeform;or hardness of the material in general, so long as it conducts 1064536;1427071648;decimation;does it work on Al with the oxide layer? 1064537;1427071650;asciilifeform;hence you can use pre-tempered whatevers (car axles, etc.) and go straight to $weaponpart 1064538;1427071664;asciilifeform;decimation: with a little chemical magic, yes 1064539;1427071844;decimation;http://atomicdelights.com/blog/a-glimpse-at-how-the-apple-watch-is-made < asciilifeform did you see this? this was the most interesting bit to me: "Apple is doing something utterly unique in this 5 seconds of video - they are using a laser to clean up any burrs or finishing defects from machining." 1064540;1427071846;assbot;How Apple Makes the Watch — Atomic Delights ... ( http://bit.ly/1COmrhT ) 1064541;1427072099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00026982 = 2.941 BTC [-] 1064542;1427072237;funkenstein_;!up Luke-Jr 1064543;1427072840;BingoBoingo;decimation: More interesting is how the reach 18 karats by... bulking up the "gold" with high volume low density ceramics as the alloying agent. 1064544;1427072870;BingoBoingo;Lightest 18k gold around 1064545;1427074213;decimation;BingoBoingo: according to that page they are not using that patented ceramic procedure, but are instead using an alloy with 'work hardening' "For the Watch Edition however, Apple appears to have eschewed any revolutionary alchemy and instead, applied an innovative work hardening process to create gold that is (claimed to be) significantly harder than the typical 18kt used by other watchmakers. " 1064546;1427074222;decimation;nubbins`: have you ever done work with gold leaf? 1064547;1427074241;nubbins`;metallic inks, closest thing 1064548;1427074262;decimation;I would imagine it would be a pain in the ass 1064549;1427074280;decimation;canada mints 24k gold coins, which is kinda dumb 1064550;1427074281;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1064551;1427074283;nubbins`;asciilifeform:'Under the terms of the deal, Emery is expecting return to Canada to serve his sentence, said Tousaw.' << wai wat!?!?! canada offers 'sit in jail for your crimes in usa' service? how about iran? can i do time in canada for blasphemy against the prophet ? <<< emery is a canadian national -- this is like /you/ doing time in /iran/ for blasphemy against the prophet because you mailed an iranian a copy of hebdo 1064552;1427074292;BingoBoingo;decimation: I'm not sure I can trust Apple to not use words in a way wildly different from word's actual meanings 1064553;1427074294;nubbins`;decimation 99999 purity, finest in the world 1064554;1427074306;decimation;yeah but utterly impractical for circulation 1064555;1427074313;nubbins`;they're... not circulation 1064556;1427074315;decimation;you want to alloy with copper etc for durability 1064557;1427074328;nubbins`;compare to a krugerrand, which was a circulation coin 1064558;1427074330;nubbins`;and thusly alloyed 1064559;1427074340;decimation;'american gold eagle' too 1064560;1427074352;decimation;I'm not denying it's pretty, just impractical for its stated purpose 1064561;1427074371;nubbins`;given its face value of $50, a gold maple leaf definitely is impractical for use as currency 1064562;1427074384;nubbins`;since its expenditure represents a 4-digit net loss 1064563;1427074400;decimation;heh well there's that 1064564;1427074404;nubbins`;:D 1064565;1427074421;decimation;I think we discussed this awhile ago, some guy tried to get 'taxed' by the 'face value' of gold eagles 1064566;1427074429;decimation;usg was not amused 1064567;1427074429;nubbins`;heh 1064568;1427074443;nubbins`;maybe if he bought em for fv. 1064569;1427074464;nubbins`;with the requisite loss written into the seller's tax return 1064570;1427074481;nubbins`;speaking of coins 1064571;1427074495;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10854328#msg10854328 1064572;1427074496;assbot;Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJWoH0 ) 1064573;1427074533;decimation;lol people wanna pay 7.8 btc for 0.5 btc coin? 1064574;1427074547;nubbins`;nuts hey 1064575;1427074559;decimation;I guess the market decides the price... 1064576;1427074562;nubbins`;^ 1064577;1427074844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9728 @ 0.00027045 = 2.6309 BTC [+] {2} 1064578;1427074942;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no it's nbot. he's canadian national doing time IN CANADA for having offended foreign government. 1064579;1427075143;nubbins`;he actually did 3-4 years in usa 1064580;1427075151;nubbins`;was extradited from here 1064581;1427075339;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/load/ 1064582;1427075340;assbot;Load ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJWT3V ) 1064583;1427075426;mircea_popescu;lol 1064584;1427075454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0002701 = 2.9981 BTC [-] {2} 1064585;1427076064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00027432 = 4.2931 BTC [+] 1064586;1427076186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00026949 = 3.4764 BTC [-] {2} 1064587;1427077345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00027432 = 2.8666 BTC [+] 1064588;1427078016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00027432 = 3.0998 BTC [+] 1064589;1427078198;mircea_popescu;"No doubt the Jews aren't a lovable people; I don't care about them myself; but that is not sufficient to explain the Pogrom." 1064590;1427078201;mircea_popescu;who said ? 1064591;1427078321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00027432 = 5.1298 BTC [+] 1064592;1427078540;decimation;FDR? 1064593;1427078569;mircea_popescu;chamberlain, actually. 1064594;1427078574;decimation;heh 1064595;1427078591;mircea_popescu;What a Chamberlain government would have done had there been no war in 1939 will never be known, but an election was due in 1940, and the manifesto proposals outlined by the Conservative Research Department embraced family allowances and the inclusion of insured persons' dependants in health cover—about half the advances usually attributed to Beveridge. As Lady Cecily Debenham wrote to Chamberlain's widow, Anne, afte 1064596;1427078591;mircea_popescu;r his death: "Neville was a Radical to the end of his days. It makes my blood boil when I see his ‘Tory’ and ‘Reactionary’ outlook taken as a matter of course because the Whirligig of Politics made him leader of the Tory party." 1064597;1427078598;mircea_popescu;turns out... a socailist too ?! 1064598;1427078626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7845 @ 0.00026901 = 2.1104 BTC [-] 1064599;1427078655;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this is like /you/ doing time in /iran/ for blasphemy against the prophet because you mailed an iranian a copy of hebdo << nah that would be like me doing time in local state pen for mailing hebdo to teheran 1064600;1427078685;mircea_popescu;"for a more perfect world union" 1064601;1427078688;nubbins`;none of these sound great ;/ 1064602;1427078696;asciilifeform;nubbins` et al: of course this is a trick question, because canada (like the rest of the 'civilized' - and even the orcish - world) is signatory to the nacro convention 1064603;1427078706;asciilifeform;and hence the pretenses of differing laws are just that 1064604;1427078710;asciilifeform;*narco 1064605;1427078734;nubbins`;^ 1064606;1427078747;nubbins`;and what the UN says, goes! 1064607;1427078766;asciilifeform;quite possibly this was the juridicial basis for the fella sitting in a ca jail for a us violation 1064608;1427078777;asciilifeform;or wait, vice versa 1064609;1427078791;asciilifeform;damn, the sheer perversity of this plays with the brain 1064610;1427078791;nubbins`;yeah, he never set foot in usa til they brought him there 1064611;1427078803;nubbins`;but i guess his mail was an extension of himself 1064612;1427078808;asciilifeform;neither did noriega 1064613;1427078812;nubbins`;heh. 1064614;1427078836;nubbins`;were noriega's crimes a $200 fine in panama? 1064615;1427078840;nubbins`;(trick question 8) 1064616;1427078841;mircea_popescu;well the difference beeing that seeds were also not illegal. 1064617;1427078858;asciilifeform;iirc they are not illegal in usa either 1064618;1427078864;nubbins`;oh yes they are 1064619;1427078867;mircea_popescu;a fine example of the insanity is the life and times of one little, aka max hardcore 1064620;1427078869;nubbins`;1 seed = 1 plant in usa 1064621;1427078876;nubbins`;(iirc!) 1064622;1427078880;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nowadays. not then. 1064623;1427078886;asciilifeform;are the legal 'hempseeds' found in hippy foods somehow inactivated ? 1064624;1427078892;asciilifeform;demilitarized? denatured? 1064625;1427078896;asciilifeform;(what's the term of art here) 1064626;1427078899;nubbins`;non-psychoactive strain 1064627;1427078907;asciilifeform;how to prove which strain w/out growing 1064628;1427078912;nubbins`;hemp seeds are as benign as hops flowers 1064629;1427078915;*;nubbins` shrugs 1064630;1427078924;nubbins`;admittedly never seen whole hemp seeds 1064631;1427078932;asciilifeform;i also recall that, at least until recently, psychoactive mushroom spores were legal in usa 1064632;1427078941;nubbins`;ok, visibly different. 1064633;1427078947;nubbins`;the fun ones have tiger stripes 1064634;1427078948;danielpbarron;hemp is illegal in USSA 1064635;1427078965;nubbins`;http://growersguidetocannabis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/DSC_0063.jpg 1064636;1427078967;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpAnQk ) 1064637;1427079061;decimation;moldbug has a quote that implicates FDR in covering for the soviets for Katyn 1064638;1427079118;nubbins`;vs benign hemp seeds: http://imgur.com/J4Q6ni7 1064639;1427079119;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpB0cT ) 1064640;1427079184;mircea_popescu;i dun see much difference. 1064641;1427079198;BingoBoingo; vs benign hemp seeds: http://imgur.com/J4Q6ni7 << Appear to have been roasted, shouldn't germinate 1064642;1427079198;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpBkYX ) 1064643;1427079215;nubbins`;hard to find pics of raw ones 1064644;1427079224;nubbins`;anyway, emery served ~4 years in usa 1064645;1427079228;nubbins`;released this past aug 1064646;1427079236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00026901 = 2.3404 BTC [-] 1064647;1427079236;decimation;http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/march/21/cold-war-ii-this-time-the-commies-are-in-washington/ < ron paul's man rants about commies 1064648;1427079239;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpBtf5 ) 1064649;1427079275;asciilifeform;l0l! dugin is 'sanctioned' now ? 1064650;1427079336;decimation;yeah I thought you would like that 1064651;1427079339;mircea_popescu;Written by William Norman Grigg 1064652;1427079341;mircea_popescu;who's that ? 1064653;1427079402;decimation;he was a journalist before he had enough and joined the 'john birch society' 1064654;1427079417;decimation;think 'old republicans' 1064655;1427079427;asciilifeform;piece describes the nato 'stop smashing your nose into my fist' tradition 1064656;1427079439;asciilifeform;rather unusually for engl. media 1064657;1427079443;mircea_popescu;"He should consider himself fortunate that he hasn’t yet been targeted for a drone strike." fortune has nothing to do with it. the bumbing us navy lacks the operational capability to carry out drone strikes where he lives. 1064658;1427079521;mircea_popescu;nice link to the brejnev speech tho 1064659;1427079541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00026901 = 4.7346 BTC [-] 1064660;1427079724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16297 @ 0.00026901 = 4.3841 BTC [-] 1064661;1427079836;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/1fa1a9d0cd350fb833875ceebe1a6d55/tumblr_muo1mwuzAo1rln4dzo1_1280.jpg 1064662;1427079837;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N42jHZ ) 1064663;1427079853;decimation;heh http://web.archive.org/web/20140210003414/http://culteducation.com/reference/jbs/jbs1.html < re: grigg 1064664;1427079855;assbot;Conservative camp roasts more than just weenies ... ( http://bit.ly/1N42mnb ) 1064665;1427079921;asciilifeform;phun phact: 2nd president of birch society burned on the famous korean airlines 007. 1064666;1427079933;decimation;"Consider the environmental movement. On the surface, it appears to be a collection of "wonderful, benevolent people trying to help and save the Earth," Koehle tells the campers, who range in age from 13 to 20.In reality, she says, it's a plot to unite humanity against a common enemy, pollution, and lay the groundwork for a world regime.Koehle urges students to ignore doomsday hype about-such things as endangered species - extinction 1064667;1427079935;decimation;isn't necessarily bad, she says, noting that dinosaurs became oil deposits -- and depletion of the ozone layer, a point with which some mainstream scientists agree." 1064668;1427079955;asciilifeform;(su foreign ministry also, famously, proclaimed that nixon was to have flown likewise on 007, but warned in advance) 1064669;1427079955;mircea_popescu;the media and ocher institutions 1064670;1427079958;mircea_popescu;does he mean kosher ? 1064671;1427080036;decimation;no I think it's a misspelling for 'other' 1064672;1427080063;decimation;this la times guy thought he was writing a 'takedown' 1064673;1427080089;mircea_popescu;"I hate what Clinton and his gang of anti-gunner, gays and liberals are doing to America," 1064674;1427080092;mircea_popescu;lol such nonsense. 1064675;1427080195;decimation;^ that was a juicy line so that the median 'la times reader' would know that these guys were nutso 1064676;1427080252;mircea_popescu;also http://40.media.tumblr.com/1b190c9f68a591ca242959d2c46ab791/tumblr_mgozwrUDxQ1rsn4c6o1_500.jpg 1064677;1427080253;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N43HKQ ) 1064678;1427080309;asciilifeform;^ l0l! what is happening in the picture ? 1064679;1427080321;mircea_popescu;guy's vacuuming 1064680;1427080425;asciilifeform;but not only? 1064681;1427080449;mircea_popescu;girl's creaming. 1064682;1427080700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18245 @ 0.00026901 = 4.9081 BTC [-] 1064683;1427081003;thestringpuller;ad/wind 22 1064684;1427081188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5772 @ 0.00027529 = 1.589 BTC [+] {2} 1064685;1427082377;danielpbarron;in the style of an OpenBSD man page, I give you http://danielpbarron.com/deedbot.txt 1064686;1427082378;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N49srJ ) 1064687;1427082407;mircea_popescu;srsly, put it in the wiki 1064688;1427082426;danielpbarron;oh, I think i need an account for that 1064689;1427082436;danielpbarron;who gives those out? kako? 1064690;1427082437;mircea_popescu;ah 1064691;1427082442;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla mind making him an acct ? 1064692;1427082518;trinque;danielpbarron: nice! 1064693;1427082627;asciilifeform;http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=35388 << vintage lulz 1064694;1427082628;assbot; What was Peoples Temple’s plan to move to the Soviet Union? ... ( http://bit.ly/19JZXC0 ) 1064695;1427082958;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/boost-vc-embraces-child-founded-start-up/ 1064696;1427083082;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=965883.msg10573130#msg10573130 << lol. 1064697;1427083083;assbot;[OFFICIAL] â–ˆ Bitproof.io â–ˆ Say Hello to True Certification in the Blockchain ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4bPLb ) 1064698;1427083089;trinque;^ registering nick 1064699;1427083096;mircea_popescu;o look, here's some innovative stuff i came up with myself by reading trilema. 1064700;1427083105;mircea_popescu;(i didn't really understand most of the stuff but whatever) 1064701;1427083117;asciilifeform;it will get $maxint in usg payola. 1064702;1427083131;asciilifeform;there's one 'genius' who will never need his mandatory day job. 1064703;1427083227;danielpbarron;"We bring uniqueness to files that aren't unique." << LOL 1064704;1427083252;danielpbarron;the holy grail of all social media 1064705;1427084026;trinque;ok, that's registered; nobody was responding in #freenode about a mask, so I'll try again later 1064706;1427084040;trinque;doesn't really bother me to not have a mask, as the firewall on the thing doesn't have open ports 1064707;1427084062;trinque;kakobrekla: please autovoice the deedbot- if you wouldn't mind 1064708;1427084067;trinque;!up deedbot- 1064709;1427084111;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/334J37V.txt 1064710;1427084112;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4fzwk ) 1064711;1427084113;deedbot-;imported: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4 1064712;1427084116;trinque;k, back online 1064713;1427084122;*;trinque goes afk for a bit 1064714;1427084238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12471 @ 0.00027531 = 3.4334 BTC [+] 1064715;1427085031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00027148 = 4.8731 BTC [-] 1064716;1427085133;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1064717;1427085213;Vexual;thanks dpb, now even I undertand deedbot 1064718;1427085458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51189 @ 0.0002676 = 13.6982 BTC [-] {5} 1064719;1427086076;brendafdez;https://hacked.com/no-browser-secure-major-browsers-hacked-2015-pwn2own-contest/ 1064720;1427086077;assbot;No Browser is Secure: All Major Browsers Hacked at 2015 Pwn2Own Contest | Hacked ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHYWEF ) 1064721;1427086094;brendafdez;"No browser exploits were successfully demonstrated on Linux or other open-source operating systemsÇ" 1064722;1427086096;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot deedbot- 1064723;1427086096;assbot;deedbot- is not registered in WoT. 1064724;1427086112;mircea_popescu;trinque if you register it in wot, you can just voice it whenever you need manually 1064725;1427086119;mircea_popescu;if it mostly stays on that should be ~never 1064726;1427086146;mircea_popescu;brendafdez somehow the title is "no browser is secure" instead of "use linux. now. everything else is shit" 1064727;1427086332;brendafdez;the press is just as shitty 1064728;1427086678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8660 @ 0.00027082 = 2.3453 BTC [+] 1064729;1427086800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00028284 = 2.6163 BTC [+] 1064730;1427087267;danielpbarron;http://www.gofundme.com/kandosiijetii << some anon scamming the lgbt community? 1064731;1427087269;assbot;Please help me survive my family by Kandosii Jetii - GoFundMe ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI1nXH ) 1064732;1427087295;danielpbarron;My family is unaware that I don't share their religious views, unaware that I am bisexual and that I have friends of all ethnicities, religious views, genders and sexual orientations. If they knew any of this, my life would be at risk. 1064733;1427087622;brendafdez;think of the children 1064734;1427088142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00026451 = 1.1771 BTC [-] {2} 1064735;1427088752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00026246 = 2.4671 BTC [-] 1064736;1427088874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00026246 = 11.5482 BTC [-] 1064737;1427089682;trinque;danielpbarron: so much lol 1064738;1427089713;trinque;weakness has become a social competition of its own 1064739;1427089782;mircea_popescu;if it's a scam it's notbad.jpg 1064740;1427089787;mircea_popescu;exactly the sort of thing. 1064741;1427089819;mircea_popescu;trinque well obviously. once the "to whoever according to his needs" becomes the payoff, needs become competitive. 1064742;1427089856;mircea_popescu;just talk to some supposedly ignorant, unintelligent and unskilled ghetto dwellers on the topic of "getting prescriptions", see knowledge, cleverness and skill unmatched. 1064743;1427090033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00026231 = 2.4657 BTC [-] {2} 1064744;1427090141;mircea_popescu;but anyway, teh 100% anal child. "circumstances" forced it to not pay rent, and evil people forced him to make stories for attention about making stories for attention. 1064745;1427090216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18859 @ 0.00026471 = 4.9922 BTC [+] 1064746;1427090321;mircea_popescu;lol managed to fail freshman year @ social studies. 1064747;1427090326;mircea_popescu;ahaha great, 1064748;1427090913;ben_vulpes; I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants... 1064749;1427091310;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1064750;1427091619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7493 @ 0.00026162 = 1.9603 BTC [-] 1064751;1427092100;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-decreases-for-third-time-this-year/ 1064752;1427092127;cazalla;thestringpuller, https://twitter.com/LouisonDumont/status/579872885524705280 1064753;1427092128;assbot;I created Bitproof because my mother thinks GPG is a supermarket. RT /qntra: Boost VC Embraces Child Founded Start Up http://t.co/FAWTczzi0o 1064754;1427092208;mircea_popescu;omfg... at first i thought it's someone mocking the guy. 1064755;1427092213;mircea_popescu;then it turns out... self-parody. 1064756;1427092219;mircea_popescu;event lulzizon! 1064757;1427092282;ben_vulpes;complete with "my mom" jokes... 1064758;1427092336;mircea_popescu;at least it's not, you know, "urmom" 1064759;1427094181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00025242 = 3.7358 BTC [-] 1064760;1427094613;thestringpuller;cazalla: LOLOLOLOL 1064761;1427094621;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/ 1064762;1427095037;brendafdez;There's no point reeducating it, because anyway... 1064763;1427095145;BingoBoingo;related http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/03/recto-retriever-approved/ 1064764;1427095146;assbot;Recto-Retriever Approved for Personal Use | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJFS9f ) 1064765;1427095151;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1064766;1427095176;Vexual;oh hai 1064767;1427095189;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmduDP-JNLQ 1064768;1427095279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00025242 = 4.4981 BTC [-] 1064769;1427095539;Vexual;you can describe all kinda nal sex, but unless you really mean it, it dont mean shit\ 1064770;1427095707;mircea_popescu;brendafdez lol sec. 1064771;1427095877;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Jv9fNPjgk 1064772;1427095946;mircea_popescu;brendafdez care to expound ? 1064773;1427096096;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiAQ9xQQHeQ 1064774;1427096394;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKpd2Bua3Ug 1064775;1427096643;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGgm3GB75c0 1064776;1427096682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8777 @ 0.00025305 = 2.221 BTC [+] 1064777;1427096788;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouanlAQ-QXg 1064778;1427096906;brendafdez;mircea_popescu expound? I could go on, but anyway... https://youtu.be/NuPolrd9yuo?t=1m35s 1064779;1427096908;assbot;IT Crowd Jen Interview - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpMHlv ) 1064780;1427096908;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMXhNoyEtg previous was a a fuckup 1064781;1427096950;trinque;+mircea_popescu | trinque well obviously. once the "to whoever according to his needs" becomes the payoff, needs become competitive. << holy fuck, does this social phenomenon fill me with bile 1064782;1427096964;mircea_popescu;why / 1064783;1427096969;trinque;people like to talk about how ignorant and backwards texas is 1064784;1427096974;mircea_popescu;(but i am writing something for your, and others', bile) 1064785;1427096974;trinque;(where I grew up) 1064786;1427096979;trinque;it does not have this 1064787;1427097068;trinque;only state where secession is still pleasant conversation 1064788;1427097071;trinque;fuck I miss it. 1064789;1427097073;trinque;< is drunk 1064790;1427097116;trinque;!up Vexual 1064791;1427097192;trinque;mircea_popescu: why? because it feels like admitting suicide is the only option, but being too cowardly to pull the trigger. 1064792;1427097207;trinque;god damn it I was born to live. 1064793;1427097209;mircea_popescu;nonsense. 1064794;1427097280;trinque;nothing would fill me with greater joy than seeing a place like texas thrive while the rest of the insane federal system rots 1064795;1427097325;trinque;let them pay for the padded walls to protect the fractured psyches of socialist paradise 1064796;1427097334;trinque;ben_vulpes: I might move back 1064797;1427097339;trinque;can't fucking stand the pacific nw 1064798;1427097357;trinque;all my money's coming from tejas; there's a reason for that 1064799;1427097390;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vEntK3fwp8 1064800;1427097437;trinque;the thing people don't understand when they look at people like ted cruz.. the goddamn texas legislature meets every two years 1064801;1427097444;trinque;the whole govt's set up to get as little done as possible 1064802;1427097450;trinque;as it fucking should be 1064803;1427097480;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/game-theoretic-game-theory/ << there you go t man. 1064804;1427097481;assbot;Game theoretic game theory pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpOs2g ) 1064805;1427097641;Vexual;game is life 1064806;1427097690;brendafdez;mircea_popescu I never mentioned it bc I felt very flattered that you added the password input field in the "Paid Content" notice at my request, but seems weird to me that after inputting password it takes you to the homepage. Expected behavior to me would be reloading the page, to see the article one intended to read in the first place. Otherwise one valuable credit goes to waste by loading an unwanted article ;) 1064807;1427097750;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XklVahMDm1A 1064808;1427097763;mircea_popescu;ha! not a bad idea. 1064809;1427097769;trinque;mircea_popescu: this is the thing; I will never accept death 1064810;1427097781;trinque;"how is this possible!" 1064811;1427097783;trinque;fuck this 1064812;1427097787;trinque;it's as mine as it is some other fuck's 1064813;1427097795;trinque;I really should head back to texas 1064814;1427097814;trinque;I left because what, the weather's not as agreeable as I'd like? 1064815;1427097834;trinque;that state loves capitalism above all else, and it's fucking good at it 1064816;1427097850;trinque;the christians aside; hell danielpbarron has made me hate them less 1064817;1427097858;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1064818;1427097867;mircea_popescu;funny how that works huh. 1064819;1427097888;trinque;mircea_popescu: they at least have a semi-coherent set of symbols to reason with! 1064820;1427097893;trinque;what the fuck is this in the pac NW 1064821;1427097897;mircea_popescu;turns out you weren't actually hating "the christians", but merely grew up in a restrictive environment where you could never talk to one. 1064822;1427097903;trinque;victimhood competition and women rule all 1064823;1427097913;mircea_popescu;which is kinda how the thing works. 1064824;1427097916;trinque;mircea_popescu: I think you're right about that. 1064825;1427097930;trinque;I was raised christian, reacted against the restrictiveness of that 1064826;1427097938;trinque;but having something that says "there is objective truth" 1064827;1427097945;trinque;yeah I'll take that over this nonsense any day 1064828;1427097955;trinque;it's a fucking starting point 1064829;1427097967;Vexual;WHOTS NOT? 1064830;1427097985;Vexual;acidengtal capas 1064831;1427097988;trinque;lol 1064832;1427098055;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10lpglxnM0I 1064833;1427098099;Vexual;who knew aregenrti had a luna park? 1064834;1427098125;Vexual;did they meann kunar? 1064835;1427098130;Vexual;*lunar?\ 1064836;1427098165;Vexual;prolly is as it was 1064837;1427098247;Vexual;samba weed 1064838;1427098422;Vexual;this is whhen fluffy pony should describe something useful about that other ocean, approachin brazil 1064839;1427098449;Vexual;cat ne'r leaves his villiages 1064840;1427098492;brendafdez;I was also raised Christian. Was horrible. Care to help? Even 1 cent you could spare helps me forget the terrible thing 14EVtRAFWTcDutoeHBLPjLewfMxGgPHcLv 1064841;1427098548;brendafdez;Otherwise I might have to go back to church. Don't force it upon me by not donating. 1064842;1427098589;Vexual;nah you can tell me, i you know 1064843;1427098619;Vexual;i resepect the sisters costyume 1064844;1427098721;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/game-theoretic-game-theory/ 1064845;1427098743;Vexual;or not, named brenda, you mihght have samw werk 1064846;1427098752;mircea_popescu;Vexual it's just what they call their madison square garden 1064847;1427098772;Vexual;dta sa ny things? 1064848;1427098873;Vexual;ney york city, i dont get ity 1064849;1427099144;BingoBoingo;Oh, things get interesting https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998257.0 1064850;1427099144;assbot;Gerald Davis aka DeathAndTaxes of BitSimple and Tangible Cryptography ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpTBHF ) 1064851;1427099161;BingoBoingo;^ Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Trading Discussion > Scam Accusations (Moderator: Cyrus) > Gerald Davis aka DeathAndTaxes of BitSimple and Tangible Cryptography 1064852;1427099217;brendafdez;Vexual in a way it does refer to the moon. From derpipedia: Luna Park is a name shared by dozens of currently operating and defunct amusement parks that have opened on every continent except Antarctica since 1903. 1064853;1427099217;brendafdez;History 1064854;1427099217;brendafdez;The first park to use the name was Coney Island's second major amusement park, designed by Frederic Thompson and Elmer "Skip" Dundy and opened in 1903. They named the park after the spaceship in their Pan-American Exposition ride "A Trip to the Moon".[1][2] 1064855;1427099231;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo heh, check that out. 1064856;1427099292;mircea_popescu;you gonna qntra it ? 1064857;1427099293;brendafdez;Apparently the father of one of the founders of this space operated one such "Luna Park" in the early 20th century. And they picked the same name for the stadium. 1064858;1427099328;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Need to source it better, but I'm going to pursue it. 1064859;1427099342;mircea_popescu;if the guy wants to interview... 1064860;1427099431;mircea_popescu;"I have no idea what he's been doing for a living in the years elapsed since then - if anything, then definitely not anything related to Bitcoin as a free entreprise. Maybe he's working a garden or teaching yoga. Maybe he's earning his living as a Bitcoin expert in the pay of those who do not wish to see Bitcoin free entreprise generally, and certainly not to the degree displayed by the free world. Whichever of these i 1064861;1427099432;mircea_popescu;t is, he's free to enlighten the world - I am curious like anyone's curious. What he can't do is pretend like "it doesn't matter". It does." 1064862;1427099436;mircea_popescu;i guess we got our answer huh. 1064863;1427099671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24579 @ 0.00025294 = 6.217 BTC [-] {2} 1064864;1427099732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14648 @ 0.000251 = 3.6766 BTC [-] 1064865;1427099890;BingoBoingo;Also a different flavor of forum lol. Throwing money and hardware at a question learning can solve https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736607.msg8324168#msg8324168 1064866;1427099890;assbot;Check Balance of Multiple Bitcoin Addresses ( Non py, Non Linux ) ... ( http://bit.ly/19eDwUc ) 1064867;1427099926;mircea_popescu;"The goal or problem is checking the balance of a ton of addresses without having to import them with keys without having to run a linux machine, without having to run anything in python, just plain and simple copy a list of addresses" 1064868;1427099928;mircea_popescu;lol ok. 1064869;1427099933;mircea_popescu;maybe he should put them in excel. 1064870;1427100004;BingoBoingo;Seriously makes "home brew semi-supercomputer with 128 gig ECC ram and 10 quad core intel processors with haswell architecture." Yet wants to avoid anything linux, python, or otherwise not MS Excel 1064871;1427100146;mircea_popescu;gmaxwell owns him downstream. 1064872;1427100220;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1064873;1427100287;mircea_popescu;"Incidentally, the private key of the first address in your list is 5HpHagT65TZzG1PH3CSu63k8DbpvD8s5ip4nEB3kEtHwQJ6fmT7" 1064874;1427100297;mircea_popescu;ahem ? and it still has a 22 cent balance ? 1064875;1427100302;BingoBoingo;lol 1064876;1427100409;mircea_popescu;ah i was looking at the wrong list. 1064877;1427100781;trinque;holy fuck are american women cunts 1064878;1427100800;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/f54460da0cbc358c33a1304125119cb4/tumblr_mmwqr9Y3Ty1rsze6qo1_1280.jpg << the birth of an idea 1064879;1427100801;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpYnoB ) 1064880;1427100826;trinque;I said Lena Dunham should be burned alive and my erstwhile significant other had a meltdown 1064881;1427100828;trinque;lol 1064882;1427100837;mircea_popescu;who's that ? 1064883;1427100840;trinque;hell I'm not saying I'm going to burn her alive 1064884;1427100848;trinque;mircea_popescu: the writer for the HBO series "Girls" 1064885;1427100858;mircea_popescu;what's that ? 1064886;1427100864;mircea_popescu;(sorry) 1064887;1427100868;trinque;think cunty new york "you don't understand my complex problems" 1064888;1427100880;trinque;holy fuck I shall lay waste to everything in a five mile radius 1064889;1427100925;mircea_popescu;like sex and the city with better horseface ? 1064890;1427100954;trinque;yeah, more nudity and fucking, but even more american dysfunctional nerfed psychopathy 1064891;1427100957;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/d2b38d579244e0533bec003e5b3e7216/tumblr_mlvaa2QxTB1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg << this should probably be a show, incidentally. 1064892;1427100958;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpYWyx ) 1064893;1427100981;trinque;mircea_popescu: the xx beg to be shown the line, invoke the protection of the state in the same breath 1064894;1427100983;trinque;fuck all this shit 1064895;1427101002;mircea_popescu;lol why are you so angry anyway. 1064896;1427101045;trinque;because the part of me that stopped identifying with this place in the first person singular hasn't had enough of a conversation with the second and third person 1064897;1427101047;trinque;I have no fucking idea. 1064898;1427101052;mircea_popescu;lol. 1064899;1427101074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21033 @ 0.00025758 = 5.4177 BTC [+] {2} 1064900;1427101165;mircea_popescu;wow check that out, 25s. 1064901;1427101188;trinque;this is when ya go elsewhere, eh? 1064902;1427101233;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1064903;1427101260;trinque;it is not happenstance that this cunt is attacking me the week before I increase my income by 20x 1064904;1427101287;trinque;it makes no goddamn sense and all the sense in the world simultaneously 1064905;1427101342;trinque;flatland logic 1064906;1427101362;*;trinque switches wifi orifices 1064907;1427101744;mircea_popescu;wouldja simmer down lol. who's attacking you 1064908;1427101763;mircea_popescu;speaking of attax, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0bb8d587a7107cf506d209ecf0ea6e09/tumblr_mhabghhDSP1qjv9ywo1_1280.jpg 1064909;1427101765;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oq1jS4 ) 1064910;1427101813;trinque;mircea_popescu: my business pays this unemployed cunt's rent. 1064911;1427101824;mircea_popescu;is this like, a domestic dispute ? 1064912;1427101841;trinque;insofar as anyone on this continent knows what domesticity is 1064913;1427101867;mircea_popescu;lol people arguing over bad tv shows. cmon. 1064914;1427101890;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in france, http://40.media.tumblr.com/82ebdbbc01f1cf75b1362ddef04580fd/tumblr_mngsnbIuqw1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg 1064915;1427101891;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xTyUJI ) 1064916;1427101898;trinque;spent five years getting this thing profitable. 1064917;1427101905;mircea_popescu;(really it's socal, but who's cuntin) 1064918;1427101915;trinque;I have a CMS for making restaurant ordering web-apps 1064919;1427101916;mircea_popescu;ok, so what's teh prblm ? 1064920;1427102236;trinque;mircea_popescu: the dysfunction here is that male-female relationship here is taught as parternship 1064921;1427102243;trinque;what a load of shit 1064922;1427102254;mircea_popescu;it can be, why not. 1064923;1427102256;trinque;this girl is utterly intimidated by the fact that I might actually be holding some real money in my hands 1064924;1427102265;trinque;the idea of it in the future was fine 1064925;1427102282;trinque;yet the cultural context causes her to barge into places she does not belong 1064926;1427102285;mircea_popescu;haha, well, ranting angrily at her won't likely de-intimidate will it ? 1064927;1427102337;trinque;problem is I've been with women that *adored* the rants 1064928;1427102343;trinque;it's not as if I grabbed her and shook 1064929;1427102345;mircea_popescu;anyway. if you don't like her, get rid of her. if you like her, talk to her. that'll either sort out whatever or else make you not like her. 1064930;1427102346;trinque;I was talking about the future 1064931;1427102365;mircea_popescu;foolproof plan. 1064932;1427102379;trinque;let me just say the well is dry, and I'll stop bitching into the public record :D 1064933;1427102395;mircea_popescu;not like it ever did anything anyway. 1064934;1427102426;trinque;I get angry at our vulgarity 1064935;1427102453;mircea_popescu;wait, wut ?! 1064936;1427102480;trinque;this imaginary line I'm stuck within 1064937;1427102614;mircea_popescu;!up winner1 1064938;1427102674;winner1;hello, I won a bet, but I have not been paid. 1064939;1427102682;mircea_popescu;link ? 1064940;1427102704;winner1;The bet was resolved 5 days ago. 1064941;1427102712;winner1;https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ 1064942;1427102713;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1CtSH6l ) 1064943;1427102722;mircea_popescu;you can link to bets directly, it's on the date in front of them 1064944;1427102739;mircea_popescu;like https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b3 1064945;1427102740;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oq4F7w ) 1064946;1427102766;winner1;yes, here is the link: https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b228 1064947;1427102767;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oq4Kbl ) 1064948;1427102797;mircea_popescu;o.O 1064949;1427102802;trinque;mircea_popescu: it's that the inmates collude with the prison guards. obviously I should just let that fact go 1064950;1427102815;trinque;I don't tend to that naturally 1064951;1427102875;mircea_popescu;winner1 thanks for pointing this out, it's suspicious as fuck. dunno what happened there yet but will look into it. 1064952;1427102955;winner1;Yes, thank you for your quick response. I think I am the only one left. I bet 3 times in this bet. I got paid in two, But I did not get paid in this one. 1064953;1427102999;mircea_popescu;it's either a txn that for mysterious reasons din't get to propagate or i can't imagine what else. anyway, i'm on it, give it a day. 1064954;1427103051;winner1;Ok, thank you very much. I was getting nervous, since I saw everyone getting paid, but me. 1064955;1427103270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0002563 = 3.4857 BTC [+] 1064956;1427103564;cazalla;trinque, pro tip for free - don't get her pregnant 1064957;1427103692;trinque;cazalla: haven't, wont, and I'm out! 1064958;1427103702;*;trinque passes out 1064959;1427103950;punkman;catfight! http://i.imgur.com/KQFONlD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YP1Dcmk.jpg 1064960;1427103953;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5gOLF ) 1064961;1427103954;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5gRas ) 1064962;1427104158;punkman;so apparently in UK, airmail means two weeks by truck, and overnight express, means 6+ days. 1064963;1427104658;brendafdez;punkman still better than AR... 1064964;1427104879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re earlier thread, check this out : http://trilema.com/2015/game-theoretic-game-theory/#comment-113249 1064965;1427104880;assbot;Game theoretic game theory pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5jFo3 ) 1064966;1427104904;mircea_popescu;"1,3mn euros confiscated - guy couldn't show where he got it" 1064967;1427104909;mircea_popescu;it's not just random picassos. 1064968;1427105000;brendafdez;punkman I've had all kind of bad experiences with the post, from them stealing from a box of alfajores I was shipping abroad, to them refusing to send a letter (even though it was within weight and size limits) because "there was an object inside" (!!). Long delays is the success scenario. 1064969;1427105071;mircea_popescu;or just cross the river and send from there. 1064970;1427105100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12275 @ 0.0002563 = 3.1461 BTC [+] 1064971;1427105108;punkman;brendafdez: I don't mind China Post taking 4 weeks, because they don't pretend otherwise 1064972;1427105160;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo check it out, halep won indian wells 1064973;1427105166;brendafdez;yes, but sometimes it's not worth it. Having to cross the river to send a letter with "an object inside" to a recepient in Argentina would be hilarious. That time they insisted letters were paper only. :D 1064974;1427105349;punkman;ssbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0002563 = 3.4857 BTC [+] << all-time lows? 1064975;1427105361;mircea_popescu;well not all time, but long time fo sho 1064976;1427105373;brendafdez;punkman back in the days when we still didn't have to go through this amount of bureaucratic shit to receive shipments from abroad, and when I was doing it very often, the ones from the UK used to be the fastest. I'm surprised that your experience with the RM has been bad. 1064977;1427105436;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, speaking of having problems, viktor Ianukovici jr died yest. 1064978;1427105521;punkman;mircea_popescu: I don't see anything lower at btcalpha 1064979;1427105522;mircea_popescu;after peklusenko's "suicide"... 1064980;1427105528;mircea_popescu;punkman lemme see here. 1064981;1427105579;mircea_popescu;May 22 04:06:33 <`MBot>[ MPEX ] [ TRADE ] [ S.MPOE ] [ 150 @ 0.00021419BTC = 0.032128 BTC ] 1064982;1427105620;brendafdez;Oh, suicides are also common over there? :P 1064983;1427105646;punkman;mircea_popescu: oic, btcalpha only goes back to Oct 2012 1064984;1427105649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27648 @ 0.00024773 = 6.8492 BTC [-] 1064985;1427105660;punkman;guessing that's May 2012 1064986;1427105662;mircea_popescu;basically 2012 level 1064987;1427105665;mircea_popescu;yea 1064988;1427106198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8094 @ 0.00024773 = 2.0051 BTC [-] 1064989;1427106996;mircea_popescu;!up drawingthesun 1064990;1427108124;mircea_popescu;;;later tell brendafdez it should redirect you properly now 1064991;1427108125;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1064992;1427108577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00025755 = 3.992 BTC [+] {2} 1064993;1427109133;davout;trinque: just wanted to see who'd actually read the deeds :) 1064994;1427110163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16979 @ 0.00025872 = 4.3928 BTC [+] {2} 1064995;1427110224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18498 @ 0.00026157 = 4.8385 BTC [+] {2} 1064996;1427111200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00026196 = 7.623 BTC [+] {2} 1064997;1427111896;danielpbarron;height=293178 vs height=215096 1064998;1427111906;mircea_popescu;almost there. 1064999;1427111995;danielpbarron;21G .bitcoin/ << unless 0.5.3.1 takes up less space, this is a little over half way 1065000;1427112491;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1065001;1427112494;gribble;Current Blocks: 348835 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1948 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43599364024.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.67455 1065002;1427112502;mircea_popescu;hory shit you're right. 1065003;1427112513;mircea_popescu;past 10% of blocks, 50% of total disk space. 1065004;1427112623;Adlai;must be the hostile ddos bot 1065005;1427112695;mircea_popescu;http://www.hanewin.net/encrypt/PGencode.htm << this is pretty interesting 1065006;1427112696;assbot;OpenPGP Message Encryption in JavaScript Demo ... ( http://bit.ly/1xcON2S ) 1065007;1427112740;Adlai;bitproof has an interface for 'signing' using the mouse 1065008;1427112752;*;Adlai always found those somewhere between amusing and horrifying 1065009;1427112828;mircea_popescu;no no this is smart : it encrypts to YOUR key. 1065010;1427112864;mircea_popescu;as in, random derp w/o gpg installed wants to send mp stuff encrypted to mp's key, there's page on mp's site with javascript 1065011;1427113240;punkman;the problem is how do you communicate to derps that they should use actual PGP for the "important" stuff 1065012;1427113277;mircea_popescu;"Networking Software for Windows" you know ? 1065013;1427113287;mircea_popescu;i suppose the communication starts with "gtfo off windoze" 1065014;1427113310;*;Adlai only refers people to hanewin after explaining that they're just trusting some random site, instead of google or facebook 1065015;1427113321;Adlai;but many people prefer trusting random strangers over known evils 1065016;1427113347;mircea_popescu;technically, it's js, so they're not trusting the site. 1065017;1427113374;punkman;if they have to mitm the javascript, sure that does raise the cost, but is it worth the false sense of security 1065018;1427113377;Adlai;you could probably give this audience an identical security theater with js that sends plaintext 1065019;1427113449;Adlai;speaking of encryption: https://blog.bitproof.io/we-3-encryption/ 1065020;1427113450;assbot;We <3 encryption ... ( http://bit.ly/1xcPiKf ) 1065021;1427113505;mircea_popescu;punkman probably cheapest approach to diddle the js to encrypt to two keys. transparent enough to do, and then get somewhere else the msg. 1065022;1427113520;mircea_popescu;still, more pgp flowing through the tubes is a net gain 1065023;1427113548;mircea_popescu;anyway, i didn't know about it b4. 1065024;1427113551;punkman;on that note, Enigmail has warning message that they will only support gpg2 soon 1065025;1427113577;Adlai;a few darknet markets have used such a system too, which raises the question of why anyderpy used any of the markets that didn't 1065026;1427113589;punkman;mircea_popescu: we've linked to gpg JS implementations so many times, I thought this use case was obvious 1065027;1427113622;Adlai;!s hanewin.net 1065028;1427113623;assbot;0 results for 'hanewin.net' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hanewin.net 1065029;1427113628;Adlai;!s www.hanewin.net 1065030;1427113629;assbot;0 results for 'www.hanewin.net' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=www.hanewin.net 1065031;1427113650;Adlai;!s *hanewin.net* 1065032;1427113650;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%2Ahanewin.net%2A 1065033;1427113653;mircea_popescu;punkman theoretically. i just had nfi anyone had actually done it. 1065034;1427113671;Adlai;!s http://www.hanewin.net* 1065035;1427113672;assbot;0 results for 'http://www.hanewin.net*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hanewin.net%2A 1065036;1427113675;Adlai;blargh 1065037;1427113700;punkman;there's also a bunch of these https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp2pgpmail/ 1065038;1427113702;assbot;WordPress › wp2pgpmail « WordPress Plugins ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjT8SX ) 1065039;1427113706;mircea_popescu;on that note, you can't say enigmail without nig mail. 1065040;1427113728;Adlai;and "gpg" doesn't actually contain "privacy" 1065041;1427113736;Adlai;but it makes gnu feel pretty good 1065042;1427113754;mircea_popescu;"Do have any PGP key? Try our online PGP key generator" 1065043;1427113757;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha okay. 1065044;1427113762;mircea_popescu;listen, this wp stuff is braindamaged. 1065045;1427113788;Adlai;it's ok, just download this chrome extension that validates our javascript! 1065046;1427113793;punkman;myeah I've had too much of that WP spaghetti 1065047;1427113801;punkman;no more 1065048;1427113813;mircea_popescu;anyway, the wp stuff is more of what i thought we had discussed many times. 1065049;1427113949;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01wQa0ctK-Y 1065050;1427113950;assbot;The Bryan Ferry Orchestra - Reason or Rhyme [1920s Jazz Version] (2012) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xcPGby ) 1065051;1427114007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00026084 = 1.7346 BTC [-] 1065052;1427115166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5971 @ 0.00026084 = 1.5575 BTC [-] 1065053;1427115410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00025653 = 1.5648 BTC [-] 1065054;1427115931;danielpbarron;not the most scientific experiment as I didn't start them at the same place or same time, but it might be worth noting that the debug.log for the solid state drive pogo is smaller than the other one 1065055;1427115952;danielpbarron;despite validating many more blocks per day 1065056;1427115975;danielpbarron;the slower node spams its debug.log with lines that have nothing to do with validating a block 1065057;1427116325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15832 @ 0.00026072 = 4.1277 BTC [+] {2} 1065058;1427116761;jurov;http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one 1065059;1427116762;assbot;Mars One Finalist Announces That It's All A Scam | IFLScience ... ( http://bit.ly/19KIucz ) 1065060;1427117472;nubbins`; increase my income by 20x, girl is utterly intimidated, <<< i have to ask, are you quitting your job in order to sell CMS software to restaurants? 1065061;1427117505;nubbins`;please tell me that this isn't the case, and if it is, please tell me that you're not just upset at your girlfriend because she called you a moron for making this decision 1065062;1427117512;nubbins`;BECAUSE..... 1065063;1427117528;nubbins`;(cough) 1065064;1427117545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13647 @ 0.00025502 = 3.4803 BTC [-] 1065065;1427117829;*;Adlai back when he worked in a preseed startup used to joke that he got a 20x raise each week and a 25% monthly bonus 1065066;1427117837;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/patrick-brazeau-s-sexual-assault-trial-starts-today-1.3003608 1065067;1427117838;assbot;Patrick Brazeau's sexual assault trial starts today - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/19KKnWH ) 1065068;1427117862;nubbins`;Adlai "20x raise" generally makes people VERY suspicious as to the absolute value of your starting salary 1065069;1427117907;Adlai;cf 'free advice is worth what you paid for it' 1065070;1427117927;Adlai;some would maintain that it's infinitely more valuable than its price 1065071;1427118045;nubbins`;or undefined more valuable 1065072;1427118052;nubbins`;depending on how you math 1065073;1427118249;brendafdez;"The gold market marched into the 21st century [...] me banks reluctant to participate" http://www.wsj.com/articles/gold-market-launches-electronic-pricing-mechanism-1426874345 1065074;1427118251;assbot; Gold Market Launches Electronic Pricing Mechanism - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1ECmyrN ) 1065075;1427118309;nubbins`;(given that free advice can only cost $0, the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes the set from being a field, which means that division by zero is not required to be undefined, which means that your assertion that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially, true) 1065076;1427118313;*;nubbins` coughs, blinks 1065077;1427118317;nubbins`;i mean, uh. 1065078;1427118339;nubbins`;i left that life behind me long ago and i don't know what just happened 1065079;1427118341;Adlai;yeah bro 1065080;1427118364;nubbins`;s/true/possible/ 1065081;1427118372;Adlai;what about f/ladvice 1065082;1427118442;nubbins`;wat 1065083;1427118473;Adlai;cf f/loss 1065084;1427118481;Adlai;cf gnu plus linux 1065085;1427118485;Adlai;etc 1065086;1427118492;*;Adlai babbles 1065087;1427118627;nubbins`;:0 1065088;1427118726;nubbins`;http://www.coindesk.com/changetip-integrates-with-online-comment-hosting-service-disqus/ 1065089;1427118727;assbot;ChangeTip Integrates With Online Comment Hosting Service Disqus ... ( http://bit.ly/1ECndJM ) 1065090;1427118895;nubbins`;tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose to name their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in the 90s. 1065091;1427118948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5640 @ 0.00025956 = 1.4639 BTC [+] {2} 1065092;1427120046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14503 @ 0.00026072 = 3.7812 BTC [+] 1065093;1427120476;bitstein;Is there a reason WoT ratings are not required to be GPG signed? 1065094;1427120489;Adlai;sloth 1065095;1427120502;thestringpuller;cause you are authenticating with a GPG interface 1065096;1427120506;thestringpuller;albeit over IRC 1065097;1427120542;Adlai;and then trusting that assbot/gribble is requiring the same of everybody else 1065098;1427120559;thestringpuller;bitstein: I do think nanotube 's federated WoT requires GPG signature for ratings. 1065099;1427120560;Adlai;and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby 1065100;1427120564;bitstein;That just allows the server to know it is talking to who it thinks it is talking to, but it doesn't guarantee the server hasn't fabricated data. 1065101;1427120605;thestringpuller;bitstein: yes we know there isn't a federated system yet :P 1065102;1427120622;Adlai;bitstein: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014153 1065103;1427120622;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 01:46:55; nanotube: hey, sorry for delay in reply, been busy, still busy. just to give you a quick preview, i'm thinking/working on implementing everything-signed, using a framework sort of like this: http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/rate.php 1065104;1427120638;bitstein;Adlai, thanks, was looking for that. 1065105;1427120658;Pierre_Rochard;^ looking forward to that 1065106;1427120661;bitstein;Sweet, I look forward to that. 1065107;1427120735;thestringpuller;its up to kako if he wants to support it with asswot 1065108;1427120759;thestringpuller;if not you'll have to just access asswot-db through irc 1065109;1427120907;nubbins`;<+Adlai> and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby <<< vs trusting that their pgp implementation doesn't cache their passphrase 8) 1065110;1427120955;Adlai;vs trusting that their fourthhand lemon laptop didn't get interceptiddled in the mail 1065111;1427120961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00025502 = 5.0111 BTC [-] 1065112;1427121029;nubbins`;haha 1065113;1427121076;nubbins`;no, that doesn't happen anymore since cisco started drop-shipping to abandoned houses 1065114;1427121080;nubbins`;;p 1065115;1427121122;nubbins`;because the NSA sort room at the mail facility is scanning the send address instead of the return address, or something. 1065116;1427121383;thestringpuller;its up to kako if he wants to support it with asswot 1065117;1427121384;thestringpuller;~ 1065118;1427121449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6072 @ 0.00025502 = 1.5485 BTC [-] 1065119;1427121479;thestringpuller;nubbins`: doesn't cache their passphrase << i change my passphrase every time I use my key. /tinfoil hat 1065120;1427121592;funkenstein_;new kunstler out: http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/kicked-to-the-curb/ 1065121;1427121593;assbot;Kicked to the Curb | KUNSTLER ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsDebc ) 1065122;1427121671;nubbins`;thestringpuller i know, the keylogger sees all 1065123;1427121677;nubbins`;i mean. 1065124;1427121680;nubbins`;orly? 1065125;1427121899;funkenstein_;"The gold market marched into the 21st century Friday with the launch of a new electronic platform designed to make the daily market price benchmark less vulnerable to manipulation." 1065126;1427121954;funkenstein_;that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works towards being "less manipulated". 1065127;1427122023;nubbins`;good for it! 1065128;1427122396;funkenstein_;maybe gold is kind of like btc in 2010 when there was "the bitcoin market" aka gox 1065129;1427122479;thestringpuller;Gold is so hard to move. 1065130;1427122516;nubbins`;^ 1065131;1427122531;funkenstein_;true and hard to assay 1065132;1427122547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9281 @ 0.00025621 = 2.3779 BTC [+] {2} 1065133;1427122648;funkenstein_;coinabul is still up if you feel like being defrauded 1065134;1427122726;nubbins`;plenty of places to buy gold w/ btc 1065135;1427122733;nubbins`;silvergoldbull, amagi, quadrigacx... 1065136;1427122753;funkenstein_;coinabul doesn't acutally ship anything though 1065137;1427122775;nubbins`;o 1065138;1427122793;funkenstein_;not that I expect the other ones too, but just happened to read through some of the coinabul complaint threads 1065139;1427122811;nubbins`;shrug 1065140;1427122832;nubbins`;have bought Au from a couple of the above 1065141;1427122838;funkenstein_;escrow is a thing 1065142;1427122860;funkenstein_;i heard amagi shipped at least sometimes 1065143;1427122875;nubbins`;i've ordered from them 2 or 3 times 1065144;1427122939;nubbins`;these days, you don't get to see the BTC price (and thus the exchange rate) until the last step in the checkout process 1065145;1427122941;nubbins`;which is meh 1065146;1427122988;nubbins`;incidentally, i tried to sell some gold on the forums a while back, no takers 1065147;1427122990;nubbins`;shrug 1065148;1427122993;danielpbarron;bitstein, thestringpuller why should we be signing everything but the kitchen sink? you shouldn't use assbot's return as gospel -- the WoT lets you know who and what to ask about a person before doing business 1065149;1427123010;danielpbarron;if a rating is false, let the user speak up about it 1065150;1427123093;bitstein;danielpbarron: why aren't you signing the kitchen sink? 1065151;1427123134;danielpbarron;see also: ascii_field 1065152;1427123166;kakobrekla;http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/03/images-fool-computer-vision-raise-security-concerns 1065153;1427123167;assbot;Images that fool computer vision raise security concerns | Cornell Chronicle ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsNCjh ) 1065154;1427123229;Adlai;this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus... 1065155;1427123301;danielpbarron;fiddle with it too much and you'll end up like the "smart contracts" people 1065156;1427123375;asciilifeform;trinque: (re: earlier thread) why would the woman object to your having money? or was it that you earned it 'sinfully' ? 1065157;1427123401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00026011 = 3.5115 BTC [+] {2} 1065158;1427123402;Adlai;doesn't need much fiddling, just checksum the federated database into a deed 1065159;1427123460;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: recall my fpga story at conf. II ? same idea 1065160;1427123468;Adlai;and to prevent withholding, no news is also news 1065161;1427123470;asciilifeform;(re: 'images that fool computer vision') 1065162;1427123487;asciilifeform;'“We realized that the neural nets did not encode knowledge necessary to produce an image of a fire truck, only the knowledge necessary to tell fire trucks apart from other classes,” he explained.' << no shit 1065163;1427123529;asciilifeform;'If a new image was identified as a particular class with more certainty than the original, the researchers would discard the old version and continue to mutate the new one. Eventually this produced images that were recognized by the DNN with over 99 percent confidence but were not recognizable to human vision.' << i though everybody's tried this as a student. works great 1065164;1427123560;punkman;W.Gibson has a fun bit about "the ugliest shirt in the world" which allows the wearer to not be recognized by CV systems 1065165;1427123561;Adlai;https://xkcd.com/1425/ 1065166;1427123562;assbot;xkcd: Tasks ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkvNAG ) 1065167;1427123582;asciilifeform;punkman: that almost happened in life! 1065168;1427123584;asciilifeform;!s eurion 1065169;1427123585;assbot;0 results for 'eurion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eurion 1065170;1427123601;asciilifeform;https://web.duke.edu/isis/gessler/collections/steg-eurion-constellation.htm 1065171;1427123602;assbot;Steganography - EURion Constellation ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkvWUJ ) 1065172;1427123628;asciilifeform;http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/projects/currency << more pertinent 1065173;1427123629;assbot;Software Detection of Currency :: Projects :: Steven J. Murdoch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ikw2vA ) 1065174;1427123681;asciilifeform;and also, 'Both PSP and Photoshop identify this image (from an Adobe Forum discussion) as being currency and refuse to open it, despite there being no instance of the Eurion constellation...' << 'eurion' is only the -publicly known- trick of this variety. no one knows how many other boobytraps lurk in idiot closed-source image processors 1065175;1427123692;asciilifeform;we had a thread in #b-a about this, i'm quite certain 1065176;1427123707;asciilifeform;but it is very much gibson's 'ugly shirt.' 1065177;1427123766;punkman;there was also some guy with an anti-CV face makeup art project 1065178;1427123777;Adlai;they're all using the same constellation? -_- 1065179;1427123810;asciilifeform;Adlai: no. see 2nd link. 1065180;1427123814;punkman;interesting that UK adopted EURion for GBP 1065181;1427123828;asciilifeform;'eurion' is just one of the unknown number of traps 1065182;1427123855;asciilifeform;which, in turn, only work because of 'voluntary' collusion with adobe (photoshit) and printer makers 1065183;1427123873;asciilifeform;yes, same printer makers as had the yellow microdots 1065184;1427123880;asciilifeform;(serial number of printer on every page) 1065185;1427123884;asciilifeform;'for your own good' of course 1065186;1427123900;asciilifeform;http://seeingyellow.com 1065187;1427123901;assbot;Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsTf14 ) 1065188;1427123901;punkman;I've been wondering how I'd go about finding a non-shit printer 1065189;1427123932;asciilifeform;'Most color laser printers made and sold today intentionally add invisible information to make it easier to determine where (and when) a particular document was printed. This seems to have been done as part of a secret deal between the United States Secret Service and the individual manufacturers. Some of the manufacturers have mentioned the existence of the tracking information in their documentation, and others haven't. None 1065190;1427123932;asciilifeform; of them have explained exactly how it works or what information is conveyed. No law requires printer companies to help track printer users this way, and no law prevents them from stopping this practice or giving customers a solution to avoid being tracked.' 1065191;1427123940;asciilifeform;^ for anyone who was sleeping in a cave for the past decade 1065192;1427124289;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: this is why you have nubbins` screen print your ransome notes on some high class paper 1065193;1427124340;nubbins`;^ this *is* true 1065194;1427124471;danielpbarron;well the illegal image opens fine in GIMP 1065195;1427124494;nubbins`;^ this is also true 1065196;1427124500;nubbins`;FWIW i think it's only laser printers that do this 1065197;1427124509;nubbins`;i know for a fact that my wide-format Epson doesn't 1065198;1427124519;nubbins`;(how? because the yellow tank contains black ink!) 1065199;1427124523;danielpbarron;would be quite funny if they put the detection algorithm into an open source image manipulator 1065200;1427124566;nubbins`;fwiw the detection algo would be impossibly easy to replicate 1065201;1427124577;nubbins`;since we know the shape of the constellation :D 1065202;1427124595;danielpbarron;http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/projects/currency/min.png <- oh do you? 1065203;1427124596;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsXF7W ) 1065204;1427124622;nubbins`;what am i looking at 1065205;1427124630;danielpbarron;"currency" 1065206;1427124699;nubbins`;oh n/m 1065207;1427124703;nubbins`;well then! 1065208;1427124818;danielpbarron;It has been reported that generating a false negative is easy, perhaps as simple as using images of two notes, side-by-side, rather than just one. << LOL 1065209;1427124926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00025454 = 1.3236 BTC [-] 1065210;1427125273;trinque;nubbins`: no, this is in reference to my startup of 5 years which has actual revenue 1065211;1427125291;trinque;asciilifeform: making money sinfully, yes 1065212;1427125309;trinque;anyhow, clarity of the morning is; I'm through with her 1065213;1427125340;trinque;when I start refining human flesh into foodstuffs we can talk about sinfully earned money 1065214;1427125460;funkenstein_;sounds more economic than cremation 1065215;1427125491;funkenstein_;"methodical illusions" <-- looks like an interesting read 1065216;1427125658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00026198 = 1.5588 BTC [+] 1065217;1427125937;fluffypony;http://www.businessinsider.com/25-most-exciting-bitcoin-startups-in-the-world-ethereum-21-coinbase-coindesk-2015-3?op=1 1065218;1427125938;assbot;The 25 most exciting bitcoin startups in the world - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/19fkZr5 ) 1065219;1427125939;fluffypony;cringeworthy 1065220;1427125948;fluffypony;"20. Ripple: Fixing the flaws in bitcoin" 1065221;1427125992;fluffypony;the 20th most exciting Bitcoin startup is something trying to replace Bitcoin with a massively centralised system? 1065222;1427125993;fluffypony;well ok then 1065223;1427126079;fluffypony;oh and there we go, Ethereum at number 2 1065224;1427126207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00025858 = 1.2929 BTC [-] 1065225;1427126451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6966 @ 0.00025858 = 1.8013 BTC [-] 1065226;1427126462;danielpbarron;what is #1? the federal reserve? 1065227;1427126497;funkenstein_;"21 What is 21? Outside of a chosen few, no one knows for sure" <-- number one 1065228;1427126567;danielpbarron;16. Circle: Taking the bitcoin out of bitcoin << certainly a theme here 1065229;1427126580;danielpbarron;i see btcjam made the list 1065230;1427126647;Adlai;the excitingness of "21" is bounded only by the imagination of the ignorant 1065231;1427126674;danielpbarron;oh ethereum shares the #2 spot with counterparty which isn't remotely close to being the same thing despite what this article suggests 1065232;1427126697;nubbins`;http://www.discogs.com/Metz-Ripped-On-The-Fence-Dry-Up/master/511499 1065233;1427126699;assbot;Metz - Ripped On The Fence / Dry Up at Discogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5PoFk ) 1065234;1427126700;Adlai;nah, they're the same: http://counterparty.io/news/counterparty-recreates-ethereums-smart-contract-platform-on-bitcoin/ 1065235;1427126700;assbot;Counterparty Recreates Ethereum’s Smart Contract Platform on Bitcoin | Counterparty ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5Ppcn ) 1065236;1427126703;thestringpuller;when did businessinsider become gawker? 1065237;1427126704;nubbins`;TIL i own a 7" single that's worth $85 1065238;1427126706;nubbins`;:0 1065239;1427126824;danielpbarron;well dang .. i didn't know they added that nonsense 1065240;1427126884;danielpbarron;Anything that one could ever do with Ethereum, one can now do with Bitcoin and Counterparty. << i guess that's the final nail in ethereum's coffin 1065241;1427126986;Adlai;no, it's the nail in counterparty's coffin: https://github.com/ethereum/serpent/commit/f509f4d 1065242;1427126987;assbot;counterparty example · ethereum/serpent@f509f4d · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/19fn3iI ) 1065243;1427126995;funkenstein_;so I can put a non-halting program into the blockchain, and all counterparty nodes will stall? 1065244;1427127013;Adlai;or maybe, they nailgunned eachother simultaneously 1065245;1427127094;Adlai;aiui, you could only stall nodes of either network up to the amount of computation you're willing to subsidize 1065246;1427127122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00025609 = 2.164 BTC [-] {2} 1065247;1427127152;funkenstein_;hmm that sounds interesting, i wonder how that is quantified 1065248;1427127207;punkman;lol "Python numbers have potentially unlimited size, Serpent numbers wrap around 2256. For example, in Serpent the expression 3^(2^254) suprisingly evaluates to 1" 1065249;1427127287;funkenstein_;what do you bet they use 32 bits or more to model that behavior? 1065250;1427127417;funkenstein_;i think line number two is pretty important and looks like a common theme from the ethereum team 1065251;1427127420;funkenstein_;+# Not yet tested 1065252;1427127470;punkman;nobody's gonna use it, so why spend time testing :P 1065253;1427127775;Adlai;yeah... https://github.com/jonasnick/eth-neg-value-tx 1065254;1427127776;assbot;jonasnick/eth-neg-value-tx · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/19fozRV ) 1065255;1427127782;Adlai;at least they pay out bounties in btc 1065256;1427127837;nubbins`;Serpent, the ideal language for businesses who don't need more than 2,256 of anything 1065257;1427127899;nubbins`;wait, that was superscript in src, wasn't it 8) 1065258;1427127915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5331 @ 0.00026202 = 1.3968 BTC [+] {2} 1065259;1427128034;punkman;nubbins`, yeah 1065260;1427128159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12601 @ 0.00026288 = 3.3126 BTC [+] {2} 1065261;1427128195;Adlai;still a little silly for the platform bandied about as turing-complete to lack actual bignums 1065262;1427128221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14799 @ 0.00026756 = 3.9596 BTC [+] 1065263;1427128246;Adlai;cf http://nosuchlabs.com/prod 1065264;1427128248;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19fpnpZ ) 1065265;1427128371;punkman;Adlai, and for extra fun "Short strings, given simply in quotes as above, are treated as numbers; long strings, surrounded by the text keyword as above, are treated as array-like objects" 1065266;1427128450;*;Adlai is fairly certain that phuctor is written in cl 1065267;1427128458;Adlai;just a hunch... 1065268;1427128532;BingoBoingo; tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose to name their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in the 90s. << Incredilol 1065269;1427128828;nubbins`;i can't imagine they did :D 1065270;1427129712;PeterL;https://bitbet.us/bet/1127/qntra-to-the-moon/ uses assbot at a resolution source, does assbot keep historical price records? 1065271;1427129713;assbot;BitBet - Qntra to the moon :: 0.31 B (79%) on Yes, 0.08 B (21%) on No | closing in 6 months 6 days | weight: 90`974 (100`000 to 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/19fs1Mm ) 1065272;1427129719;nubbins`;mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW 0.5.3.1 downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 1065273;1427129745;nubbins`;^ with apologies to asciilifeform 1065274;1427129872;thestringpuller;PeterL: it's just assking about 30 day which it calculated by !t 1065275;1427129930;thestringpuller;basically: 1065276;1427129933;thestringpuller;!t m s.mpoe 1065277;1427129933;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024773 / 0.00026264 / 0.00028284 (859358 shares, 225.70 BTC), 7D: 0.00024773 / 0.00029475 / 0.00033536 (18132562 shares, 5,344.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00024773 / 0.0003534 / 0.00048515 (82282113 shares, 29,078.73 BTC) 1065278;1427129940;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr 1065279;1427129940;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00021105 / 0.00026069 / 0.000301 (36659 shares, 9.56 BTC) 1065280;1427129958;PeterL;so for the yes side to win, somebody has to do !t for each here while the qntr is a higher price 1065281;1427129969;thestringpuller;if the middle value on 30d for S.QNTR > correlated value for S.MPOE 1065282;1427130068;thestringpuller;make sense PeterL ? 1065283;1427130114;PeterL;it just seems like it should use a resolution source which can be checked later on, like when the bet ends 1065284;1427130189;thestringpuller;why? we've used ;;ticker before to resolve bets...so.... 1065285;1427130203;thestringpuller;and mike_c sorta stores historical MPEx data :P 1065286;1427130215;PeterL;I guess anybody who bets on yes should make a point to come in here and do !t for each periodically 1065287;1427130660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00026756 = 3.0368 BTC [+] 1065288;1427131154;jurov;currently no need to check so often, it's still 0.0003534 vs. 0.00026069 1065289;1427131359;jurov;!depth m s.qntr 1065290;1427131366;jurov;$depth s.qntr 1065291;1427131456;jurov;lol current qntr sell depth is just bitcents. if i wanted to sway it for the bet to win, would have to start trading with myself 1065292;1427131511;PeterL;but it wouldn't take much coin to push it up above the s.mpex price, and then you just need a bit of self-trading to keep it there a month 1065293;1427131535;PeterL;s.mpoe price i mean 1065294;1427131611;jurov;yes, but with risk someone notices and will try to dump the shares on that price 1065295;1427131644;PeterL;there's not a whole lot of shares trading with which to dump 1065296;1427131678;PeterL;but still not worth it as the bet currently stands 1065297;1427131740;jurov;why not? there are tens of btc worth shares floating, someone bought them at < 0.0003 1065298;1427131836;PeterL;what I mean is there is such a small amount bet on the bet, you might spend more than you would win holding the price up. Spend tens of btc to win .003 btc? 1065299;1427131896;PeterL;unless you convince somebody to put some money down on no before you do the manipulation 1065300;1427131951;jurov;oh you're looking from no side, mkay. 1065301;1427132028;PeterL;or you think it would be easier to hold the s.qntr price down so no wins? 1065302;1427132067;funkenstein_;nubbins, re: 0.5.3.1 after a couple days i am up to 220k blocks. just like the old days isn't it? 1065303;1427132859;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1065304;1427132860;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.15, Best ask: 267.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 267.32, 24 hour volume: 23415.63076852, 24 hour low: 260.91, 24 hour high: 271.5, 24 hour vwap: None 1065305;1427132869;ben_vulpes;ah it's so nice to see people building and running the RI 1065306;1427133067;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1065307;1427133128;ascii_field;Adlai: http://nosuchlabs.com/prod << the maths engine is actually using boring old gmp -- same as gpg's 1065308;1427133133;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19fpnpZ ) 1065309;1427133149;Adlai;ah, too bad 1065310;1427133153;ascii_field;Adlai: go and try letting something like this cons! 1065311;1427133158;ascii_field;see what kind of latency you get. 1065312;1427133186;ascii_field;(c-machine - sucks) 1065313;1427133250;ascii_field;danielpbarron: well the illegal image opens fine in GIMP << only half the story. before long, it won't print on printer, or even display on display. 1065314;1427133267;ascii_field;the basic idea - owner-hostile hardware - is gaining ground. 1065315;1427133319;ascii_field;presently the cheapest way to fight back is to extract the 'magic' algorithms and make sure the patterns start to appear in inconvenient places 1065316;1427133327;ascii_field;such as in front of news cameras 1065317;1427133338;ascii_field;or painted as graffiti, even 1065318;1427133367;danielpbarron;oo, that reminds me of an article you once pasted in here 1065319;1427133377;danielpbarron;about a parrot or something 1065320;1427133383;ascii_field;'blit' ? 1065321;1427133385;ascii_field;short story 1065322;1427133396;ascii_field;http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm 1065323;1427133397;assbot;BLIT - a short story by David Langford ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7gg8a ) 1065324;1427133415;danielpbarron;yes that 1065325;1427133432;ascii_field;slightly different idea. boobytrap for flesh. 1065326;1427133456;ascii_field;the thing with the diddled printers/image editors/etc is an actual thing today 1065327;1427133466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00026123 = 1.5674 BTC [-] 1065328;1427133472;ascii_field;for instance, there is talk of mandating that digital cameras obey a magic remote off signal 1065329;1427133480;ascii_field;ostensibly for movie theatres 1065330;1427133489;ascii_field;but srsly. 1065331;1427133499;PeterL;obviously to stop videoing police 1065332;1427133522;Adlai;otoh, the movie theater proprietor who jams cellphone signals during screenings can marry my firstborn daughter 1065333;1427133527;ben_vulpes; presently the cheapest way to fight back is to extract the 'magic' algorithms and make sure the patterns start to appear in inconvenient places << oh this is bril 1065334;1427133529;ascii_field;or the chinese toy chopper maker who 'volunteered' to gps-restrict the machine 1065335;1427133557;PeterL;I've never noticed people using cell phones at movies 1065336;1427133565;Adlai;you must live in a civilized place 1065337;1427133575;ascii_field;PeterL: visit an american idiotopolis some time 1065338;1427133594;jurov;http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/03/images-fool-computer-vision-raise-security-concerns lol i had this opened already 1065339;1427133595;assbot;Images that fool computer vision raise security concerns | Cornell Chronicle ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOXCX7 ) 1065340;1427133612;PeterL;but I wouldn't notice the denver massacre if it was happening around me while I am watching a movie 1065341;1427133623;jurov;let them try to autodetect "illegal content" 1065342;1427133649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4403 @ 0.00026123 = 1.1502 BTC [-] 1065343;1427133661;ascii_field;jurov: it's one small step to usg prosecuting folks making hardware that doesn't obey magic bit 1065344;1427133670;ascii_field;and before anyone says 'nuttery' - there is precedent 1065345;1427133673;ascii_field;'macrovision' 1065346;1427133679;*;Adlai doesn't understand why warez doodz don't excise the pattern detectors from eg photoshop 1065347;1427133680;punkman;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia 1065348;1427133681;assbot;Cinavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOXVBu ) 1065349;1427133681;ascii_field;cemented in place a bug in ntsc 1065350;1427133719;Adlai;although that would graduate said dood from pirate to counterfeiter 1065351;1427133741;ascii_field;Adlai: part of it is that folks dislike heavily patched w4r3z 1065352;1427133748;ascii_field;Adlai: difficult to tell from infection 1065353;1427133799;Adlai;in this case, wouldn't it be as simple as diddling a single routine to always return false? 1065354;1427133817;Adlai;that can be distributed as a separate patch, with sample files to verify that it does what is said 1065355;1427133832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00026756 = 1.8997 BTC [+] 1065356;1427133969;nubbins`;mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cazalla thestringpuller http://i.imgur.com/QXYS4ee.png 1065357;1427133970;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOYZFf ) 1065358;1427134000;jurov;so no ads ever? 1065359;1427134003;nubbins`;shrug 1065360;1427134023;nubbins`;i just took that from the "about" page 1065361;1427134027;ascii_field;Adlai: diddling a single routine to always return false << only if the implementers were morons 1065362;1427134037;jurov;ah. you can try "no milk" instead :DD 1065363;1427134041;nubbins`;heh 1065364;1427134060;nubbins`;someone with an actual connection to qntra can feel free to provide different copy if they wish 1065365;1427134071;nubbins`;all that matters to me is the shape of the sentences 1065366;1427134223;danielpbarron;nubbins`, what about this url ? http://qntra.net/author/bingoboingo/ 1065367;1427134224;assbot;Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7jNDr ) 1065368;1427134231;PeterL;asciilifeform:aviation, by and large, only works when you're a mega-state with maxint constantly replaced slaves to parasitise << depends if you are going for "go up in the air", or "survive dogfight with megastate" 1065369;1427134298;ascii_field;PeterL: 'go up' is mighty expensive also. 1065370;1427134313;ascii_field;PeterL: soviet planes often had mtbf measured in tens of hours. 1065371;1427134317;PeterL;wright brothers were working in their garage 1065372;1427134317;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Committing to no ads in print potentially means committing to no Ads forever. We'll say what cazalla says, but 'No Milk' or other joke may be longer lasting 1065373;1427134330;ascii_field;PeterL: wrights had ready-made engines to go with. 1065374;1427134342;nubbins`;danielpbarron don't ask me, ask him :D 1065375;1427134363;ascii_field;PeterL: but if you want to build a cardboard kite - yes, you can. 1065376;1427134365;nubbins`;BingoBoingo nod 1065377;1427134376;funkenstein_;it's a publicly traded non profit ? 1065378;1427134397;nubbins`;your logic has no place here 1065379;1427134399;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Profit is planned eventually, hopefully. Hence can't commit to no ads 1065380;1427134421;funkenstein_;ok thanks 1065381;1427134427;ascii_field;didn't ben_vulpes demonstrate that ads are dead ? 1065382;1427134430;PeterL;wouldn't ads provide milk? or am I misunderstanding that reference? 1065383;1427134456;PeterL;I thought ben_vulpes only stopped because too busy with other stuff? 1065384;1427134456;funkenstein_;in the meantime you could put a donation address up 1065385;1427134477;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Author urls might be overloading the card with too much information 1065386;1427134521;ben_vulpes;PeterL: bit of column a, bit of column b. 1065387;1427134627;ascii_field;at any rate, i assumed that the ads thing was neither fun nor threatened to replace ben_vulpes's day job 1065388;1427134892;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1065389;1427135177;ascii_field;trinque: why sinfully? curious about the story 1065390;1427135190;ascii_field;trinque: why would woman object to your having money ? 1065391;1427135226;ascii_field;trinque: esp. if she was (as you appear to suggest) a pet 1065392;1427135766;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/ethereum/serpent/commit/f509f4d#diff-3d8daf295c9ed9c3fd9f9d9113dd24cfR2 << hyuuuu 1065393;1427135768;assbot;counterparty example · ethereum/serpent@f509f4d · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7q2Ho ) 1065394;1427136150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00026117 = 4.1918 BTC [-] {2} 1065395;1427136440;thestringpuller;wtf, #4 changetip? how is throwing change at each other like hobos noteworthy? 1065396;1427136466;nubbins`;i've had people "tip" me dimes on a couple of occasion 1065397;1427136470;nubbins`;one guy tried to give me a buck 1065398;1427136488;nubbins`;utterly repugnant, yet too oblivious to realize 1065399;1427136488;ascii_field;dime: useless; nsa tracking beacon - priceless 1065400;1427136508;nubbins`;ascii_field after a few pestering PMs, changetip returned the money to its original owner 1065401;1427136538;nubbins`;(they won't hold your dime forever!) 1065402;1427136611;thestringpuller;nubbins`: https://youtu.be/hRFMu3zb5dA?t=1m53s 1065403;1427136638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00026756 = 2.9164 BTC [+] 1065404;1427136704;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1065405;1427136721;nubbins`;^ dat event trigger 1065406;1427136722;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064867 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064869 << somewhere I have an excel function that does this, grabs balance from blockchain.info or some such website 1065407;1427136722;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 08:38:46; mircea_popescu: "The goal or problem is checking the balance of a ton of addresses without having to import them with keys without having to run a linux machine, without having to run anything in python, just plain and simple copy a list of addresses" 1065408;1427136722;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 08:38:53; mircea_popescu: maybe he should put them in excel. 1065409;1427136768;ascii_field;'without having to run a linux machine' << wai wat 1065410;1427136799;PeterL;some people think linux is hard? 1065411;1427136816;PeterL;and windoze is easy! 1065412;1427136820;nubbins`;ascii_field https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736607.msg8323424#msg8323424 1065413;1427136821;assbot;Check Balance of Multiple Bitcoin Addresses ( Non py, Non Linux ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6J7cs ) 1065414;1427136822;ascii_field;'the goal or problem is not stinking of shit, without having to use a toilet, without having to wear diapers, just plain and simple not stinking of shit' 1065415;1427136849;nubbins`;man 1065416;1427136851;*;ascii_field offers a tube of 'superglue' 1065417;1427136855;nubbins`;OP is a fucking dog cunt 1065418;1427136859;nubbins`;srsly, read that post 1065419;1427136868;ascii_field;i did. 1065420;1427136876;nubbins`;"Things we dont need: " ; Fry and the Slurm Factory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Slurm Factory Tour - Video Clip | Comedy Central: 1065454;1427138134;nubbins`;ha, precisely this 1065455;1427138157;ascii_field;'umpa, dumpa, dupaty-didient, thou shalt not ask about the Secret Ingredient!' 1065456;1427138167;thestringpuller;ascii_field: you watch futurama?!? 1065457;1427138175;ascii_field;wait it still exists? 1065458;1427138178;ascii_field;did watch 1065459;1427138183;thestringpuller;watched* 1065460;1427138188;ascii_field;aha 1065461;1427138190;ascii_field;w4r3z 1065462;1427138209;thestringpuller;ascii_field: well they ended up not revealing the secret ingredient cause slurm is so delicious... 1065463;1427138285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00025613 = 2.0875 BTC [-] 1065464;1427138309;nubbins`;so we got a second cat back in november and i've been mildly worried that she's a bit aggressive towards our older cat 1065465;1427138352;ascii_field;castrate ? 1065466;1427138354;nubbins`;today, as i'm watching them eat supper, older cat tires of her food and just starts eating from younger cat's dish; younger cat retreats and waits for her turn :0 1065467;1427138360;nubbins`;both female, both fixed 1065468;1427138425;ascii_field;so older one won ? 1065469;1427138524;nubbins`;nod, effortless display of dominance 1065470;1427138529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00025275 = 1.3143 BTC [-] {2} 1065471;1427138536;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1065472;1427138696;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/wQfDg4U 1065473;1427138697;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ2fXq ) 1065474;1427138703;nubbins`;^ sometimes stuff like this happens ;( 1065475;1427138715;ascii_field;thick cat is thick! 1065476;1427138737;nubbins`;that's dory, she's a fatso! 1065477;1427138743;nubbins`;shelter kitty 1065478;1427138752;ascii_field;i saw a most peculiar cat scene the other day 1065479;1427138777;ascii_field;gigantic semi-wild but castrated male cat, grooming - and then guarding - a smaller cat 1065480;1427138894;nubbins`;! 1065481;1427138916;nubbins`;the other cat occasionally grooms me, it's endearing 1065482;1427138923;ascii_field;but that was an odd scene 1065483;1427138931;ascii_field;solitary animal doing a 'social' thing 1065484;1427138953;nubbins`;i'd say 1065485;1427138965;mats;adorbs 1065486;1427138971;nubbins`;outdoor cat behaviour is fascinating 1065487;1427138980;ascii_field;the smaller one, i think, lives under my shed 1065488;1427139008;nubbins`;FUN 1065489;1427139019;nubbins`;protip: if you eat canned tuna, save the water 1065490;1427139038;nubbins`;unrelated, but came across this gem while looking for more cat photos: http://imgur.com/eUoHNko 1065491;1427139039;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ2F06 ) 1065492;1427139264;danielpbarron;save it for what? a cat? 1065493;1427139277;danielpbarron;i just poured tuna water down the drain not 2 hours ago 1065494;1427139304;nubbins`;yeah, cats love tuna water 1065495;1427139306;ascii_field;i tried to feed'em once but they like the neighbours' more 1065496;1427139315;ascii_field;my street is a gigantic cat restaurant 1065497;1427139322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00024827 = 3.9351 BTC [-] {2} 1065498;1427139322;nubbins`;dish of it on the back step is a good way to attract em 1065499;1427139323;ascii_field;where the beasts can afford to be picky 1065500;1427139331;nubbins`;this is assuming that random cats are a thing you want to attract 1065501;1427139339;ascii_field;nubbins`: i like cats. 1065502;1427139346;nubbins`;me too! 1065503;1427139362;ascii_field;people find it puzzling but it is kinda the reason i don't try to tame them and keep them inside 1065504;1427139363;nubbins`;dory was at the shelter for longer than any of the other cats :/ 1065505;1427139381;ascii_field;i imagine that i wouldn't want to be tamed if i were them 1065506;1427139396;nubbins`;pinki gets free access to outside and quite enjoys it, dory seems to show no interest in getting out 1065507;1427139415;ascii_field;nubbins`: ever consider a bigger cat? 1065508;1427139417;ascii_field;e.g. ocelot ? 1065509;1427139418;danielpbarron;there was a cat that used to roam around outside that i would let sleep inside on occasion; i think it mothered a litter and died 1065510;1427139441;nubbins`;tempting, maybe once there's no more shelter cats 8) 1065511;1427139473;nubbins`;danielpbarron dory mothered three kittens and was found with them, abandoned, in an empty apartment 1065512;1427139489;nubbins`;some people, i tell ya 1065513;1427139594;cazalla;nubbins`, that's ugly imo, we don't use @qntra.net for email, but more importantly i am not fussed on this idea of bidness cards, so best to ask the others for input 1065514;1427139612;nubbins`;nod, all text incl. email address is mere placeholder 1065515;1427139621;danielpbarron;i think gold on black is tacky 1065516;1427139627;nubbins`;i don't want to decide for 12 people what info they'll have on their cards 1065517;1427139638;danielpbarron;i like the key fingerprint thing 1065518;1427139666;nubbins`;personally i'd go with mid-grey ink 1065519;1427139676;danielpbarron;i like white cards 1065520;1427139780;ascii_field;wai wat 1065521;1427139782;ascii_field;cards? 1065522;1427139786;nubbins`;qntra business cards 1065523;1427139802;danielpbarron;maybe apply the "photocopy" filter to the rabbit image and use as logo 1065524;1427139820;nubbins`;unless you've got a version bigger than 30x30... 1065525;1427139841;nubbins`;but that's the other thing, no logo 1065526;1427139852;nubbins`;so you're left w/ just text 1065527;1427139860;danielpbarron;https://i.imgur.com/svMadu3.png 1065528;1427139861;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ3FBn ) 1065529;1427139936;cazalla;i can't think of anything more obnoxious than someone giving you their business card, it's pretty much them saying, "here, you're obligated to put this either in your bidness card holder or the bin", perhaps i don't have the sophistication to appreciate bidness cards like ol' buffett (or whoever it is that collects em like baseball cards) but whatevs 1065530;1427139960;danielpbarron;you have it backwards 1065531;1427139965;danielpbarron;they are things you ask for 1065532;1427139965;nubbins`;cazalla that's because you're not a small business owner dealing with other small business owners 1065533;1427139966;danielpbarron;not force on 1065534;1427139968;nubbins`;8) 1065535;1427139978;danielpbarron;i ask for business cards all the time 1065536;1427139986;nubbins`;"do you have a card?" "no" "....." 1065537;1427139992;danielpbarron;^ ++ 1065538;1427139996;nubbins`;"but you can look us up on facebook" 1065539;1427140006;*;danielpbarron nods 1065540;1427140025;nubbins`;anyway, a good next step would be for people who intend to receive these cards to put some thought into what info they'd like on them, as well as a general idea of how they'd prefer them to look 1065541;1427140031;ascii_field;i still like the pcb business cards idea - in the abstract 1065542;1427140039;nubbins`;ascii_field nod 1065543;1427140116;cazalla;as for ads, i've wanted to run them for a while, but credible advertisers are lacking 1065544;1427140182;ascii_field;nubbins`: http://imgur.com/DaZyTPg,MfVbeHG,0tCxX1m#0 << sketch i made for mircea_popescu once 1065545;1427140183;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FRM14z ) 1065546;1427140204;nubbins`;right, i remember this 1065547;1427140204;ascii_field;suggested to have it baked on kapton 1065548;1427140217;ascii_field;and gold plated copper 1065549;1427140250;ascii_field;resistant to solvents, oils, and temp up to 400C 1065550;1427140277;nubbins`;yeah, you could sautee em 1065551;1427140297;ascii_field;but most of all, memorable 1065552;1427140299;BingoBoingo; i think gold on black is tacky << I loved nubbins` gold on black 1065553;1427140304;ascii_field;at least until idiots start making'em 1065554;1427140304;nubbins`;say, any PCB layouts from the cardano project approaching 3.5x2" in size? 1065555;1427140343;ascii_field;nubbins`: the current version of the mainboard, approx. 1065556;1427140344;ascii_field;why? 1065557;1427140351;nubbins`;BingoBoingo you'll find this is one of the great divides of people the world over: white background vs black 1065558;1427140357;nubbins`;white paper vs black. white shirts vs black. 1065559;1427140363;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1065560;1427140363;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1065561;1427140391;nubbins`;ascii_field just pondering pcb cards w/ a bit more of a story behind em 1065562;1427140411;nubbins`;got any vector files or anything? 1065563;1427140420;nubbins`;am i allowed to ask for them yet? 8) 1065564;1427140422;BingoBoingo; maybe apply the "photocopy" filter to the rabbit image and use as logo << probably would work cleaner as lineart bunny 1065565;1427140438;ascii_field;nubbins`: generally it is -defunct- hardware that gets recycled into toys 1065566;1427140457;nubbins`;oh, i'm thinking silkscreening the design on paper 1065567;1427140458;danielpbarron;yeah idk what the best filter is, but the idea is it works well as a single color 1065568;1427140484;nubbins`;lay the traces in gold ink, flood a mask of semi-transparent green/red/blue/w/e on top 1065569;1427140496;nubbins`;white for markings/biz card info 1065570;1427140518;nubbins`;picture a sparkfun but with "stan" written on the bottom 1065571;1427140525;ascii_field;meh 1065572;1427140551;*;ascii_field not enamoured of toys which look like functional things but aren't 1065573;1427140667;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins` 1065574;1427140673;nubbins`;ty 1065575;1427140685;nubbins`;i play low-battery roulette 1065576;1427140764;nubbins`;*:ascii_field not enamoured of toys which look like functional things but aren't <<< there's a word for this, it escapes me 1065577;1427140828;danielpbarron;app 1065578;1427140833;BingoBoingo;le 1065579;1427140844;nubbins`;yes, you're getting there 1065580;1427140850;BingoBoingo;!b 4 1065581;1427140850;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3F93JZN.txt ) 1065582;1427140850;nubbins`;like how Notes looks like a notepad 1065583;1427140862;BingoBoingo;Damn, missed 1065584;1427140871;BingoBoingo;skeumorphism 1065585;1427140873;nubbins`;nah, was ok 1065586;1427140875;nubbins`;yeah, that's it. 1065587;1427140911;ascii_field;skeumorphism was text editors that look like parchment, waveform editors with drawn 'oscilloscope knobs', etc 1065588;1427140938;nubbins`;skeumorphophobe! 1065589;1427140965;nubbins`;technically a business card that looks like a pcb is not this, but w/e 1065590;1427140969;ascii_field;not at all 1065591;1427140981;ascii_field;skeumorph -does something- like what the thing it imitates did 1065592;1427140993;nubbins`;what i should've said was "there's a word for something else, it escapes me" 1065593;1427141009;BingoBoingo;www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html 1065594;1427141031;nubbins`;BingoBoingo either that was already pasted here, or something else strange is going on 1065595;1427141040;BingoBoingo;Ah 1065596;1427141248;BingoBoingo;!up wsbtc 1065597;1427141365;cazalla;nubbins`, posted yesterday, hilarious read 1065598;1427141703;wsbtc;Hi, I'm here to learn more about bitcoin and I understand that this is the place to do it. Where should I begin? 1065599;1427141775;danielpbarron;wsbtc, here's a good place to start -> http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/ 1065600;1427141777;assbot;IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FRNQyh ) 1065601;1427141794;danielpbarron;if you know how to GPG, you could get yourself in the WoT 1065602;1427141813;wsbtc;Thank you 1065603;1427141901;mircea_popescu;!v thomas 1065604;1427141901;assbot;Invalid verfication string. 1065605;1427141925;ben_vulpes;hyu 1065606;1427142005;mircea_popescu;yo yo 1065607;1427142030;mircea_popescu;Invitation@bitcoinfield.net4:06 pm 3.6 KiBBitcoinField - Invest Bitcoins and Receive Daily r... 1065608;1427142032;mircea_popescu;derp. 1065609;1427142060;mircea_popescu;"Hello, I am inviting you to check this Investment opertunity with bitcoins. " 1065610;1427142060;kakobrekla;!up thomas 1065611;1427142089;mircea_popescu;o.O check me out, !v lol 1065612;1427142105;kakobrekla;noob 1065613;1427142110;mircea_popescu;totally. 1065614;1427142140;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i just realised, talking to punkman yest, that we've actually been here for well over three years. 1065615;1427142146;mircea_popescu;that's 78 twoweeks, yo! 1065616;1427142196;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1065617;1427142208;kakobrekla;myea. not much to brag about. 1065618;1427142226;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065059 << at least one's honest, after losing or w/e. 1065619;1427142226;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 13:19:22; assbot: Mars One Finalist Announces That It's All A Scam | IFLScience ... ( http://bit.ly/19KIucz ) 1065620;1427142242;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you think ? the things i've seen people brag about since then... 1065621;1427142267;mircea_popescu;"17 yo entrepreneur" of yesterday was bragging about "trading altcoins for four years". 1065622;1427142271;*;ascii_field was about to say 'everyone's honest after losing' but then remembered the tales of phorum sc4mz0rz who transition to shills, etc 1065623;1427142271;nubbins`;!up thomas 1065624;1427142278;mircea_popescu;think about that for a moment, solid coin hadn't been even invented yet. 1065625;1427142279;nubbins`;oh ha. 1065626;1427142308;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yeah, world's been revolutionized a coupla times and changed who even knows how often since those days. 1065627;1427142311;nubbins`;woodcollector 1065628;1427142312;nubbins`;etc 1065629;1427142347;mircea_popescu;After filling out an application (mostly out of curiosity), former NASA researcher Joseph Roche, now of Trinity College, became one of 100 finalists to live in permanent settlement on Mars. In his interview with Elmo Keep for Medium, Roche expressed many concerns, ranging from inaccurate media coverage (there were only 2,761 applicants, not 200,000) to Mars One’s psychological or psychometric testing (or lack thereof 1065630;1427142347;mircea_popescu;) to how leading contenders earned their spot (he says they paid for it). 1065631;1427142348;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1065632;1427142411;*;ascii_field waits for the inevitable 'but of course anyone who would go in for this is so gullible god himself put him upon this earth to be fleeced, by us preferably' retort from the m4rssc4mz0r 1065633;1427142472;mircea_popescu;ascii_field in those venues where idiots congregate, this is heard, because it actually is +ev. 1065634;1427142477;mircea_popescu;here it doesn't wash, so they don't bother. 1065635;1427142493;ascii_field;oh wouldn't dream of seeing him appear -here- 1065636;1427142495;mircea_popescu;when you're a scammer you gotta be very careful with your time. keeping above water quite the challenge. 1065637;1427142513;ascii_field;this is basic 'spam like a pro in 21 days' material... 1065638;1427142537;wsbtc;The more I read that page, the more I realize I didn't know nearly as much about Bitcoin as I though I did. 1065639;1427142541;wsbtc;Gratitude. 1065640;1427142549;mircea_popescu;There are other bad signs for Mars One. The organization’s contract with production company Endemol is no longer in place; Mars One was hoping to generate $6 billion from a reality show. 1065641;1427142553;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 6bn! 1065642;1427142579;mircea_popescu;dude wtf... srsly, 6bn ? like, three derps got together and went, "hey, this IDEA is totally worth one hundred thousand new cars" ? 1065643;1427142670;mircea_popescu;cazalla just for the record, on my wishlist-of-things-way-far-out-of-reach, stuff which like hooft says, i'll be happy to get in a 100 years : i'd totally love it if qntra did what medium does, and is correct in doing : chase these social justice idiocies, get insiders to spill the beans. 1065644;1427142694;mircea_popescu;the projects will multiply, as time goes by, for the obvious economic reasons. the lulz will increase. lulz must be mined! 1065645;1427142717;mircea_popescu;And as far as the delays are concerned, he says, “is it really a failure if we land our first crew two, four, six, or even eight years late?” 1065646;1427142728;mircea_popescu;^ check out the bfl/anon asic scammer verbiage. 1065647;1427142733;mats;bugs.archlinux.org/task/34580 1065648;1427142734;mircea_popescu;he could have run neobee. 1065649;1427142751;mircea_popescu;"brick and mortar mars mission" 1065650;1427142757;mats;http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/34580 1065651;1427142758;assbot;FS#34580 : [rng-tools] Default configuration of rng-tools adds no real entropy to /dev/random ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hsiq01 ) 1065652;1427142827;mircea_popescu;mats : "Comment by Massimiliano Torromeo (mtorromeo) - Friday, 05 April 2013, 12:07 GMT This package is not a dependency of any other package. It also needs to be explicitly installed AND started/enabled so after installation the system is not any less secure." 1065653;1427142828;mircea_popescu;logic. 1065654;1427142948;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065063 << nah, seems much flatter a power struggle than that. they're just bickering over the remote. 1065655;1427142948;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 13:32:08; nubbins`: (cough) 1065656;1427142966;mircea_popescu;but, the fact that chick can get him that worked up over nothing bodes well for teh twu wuv factor involved :D 1065657;1427143008;mircea_popescu;also, nubbins` STOP WHOTEKNIGTING 1065658;1427143010;thestringpuller;i wonder if one day effort to be scammer will outweight that of doing actual work 1065659;1427143020;mircea_popescu;yeah. that day is erryday. 1065660;1427143031;nubbins`;heh 1065661;1427143039;thestringpuller;i guess ppl jus stoopid and don't know scamming doesn't pay 1065662;1427143041;nubbins`;whoteknighting = showing people the mirror? 1065663;1427143042;nubbins`;8) 1065664;1427143060;nubbins`;anyway, much flatter a power struggle, i like that 1065665;1427143061;thestringpuller;lol #b-a mcgruff ads 1065666;1427143071;thestringpuller;"Scamming Doesn't Pay Kids" 1065667;1427143164;nubbins`;"but i do" 1065668;1427143166;punkman;work doesn't pay much either for most folks 1065669;1427143179;trinque;mircea_popescu: there was plenty more a sober me decided not to put in the permanent record 1065670;1427143201;trinque;reduces to socialism is awesome because artists vs no, food is good 1065671;1427143205;trinque;completely stupid argument 1065672;1427143216;mircea_popescu;lol okay. 1065673;1427143221;mircea_popescu;your domain mlad. 1065674;1427143242;mircea_popescu;punkman is greek, he'd know. 1065675;1427143269;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> cazalla just for the record, on my wishlist-of-things-way-far-out-of-reach, stuff which like hooft says, i'll be happy to get in a 100 years : i'd totally love it if qntra did what medium does, and is correct in doing : chase these social justice idiocies, get insiders to spill the beans. << Medium is just some twitter founder's take on blogger. It only holds writing from the people who choose to blog there for fre 1065676;1427143269;BingoBoingo;e. 1065677;1427143275;mircea_popescu;trinque btw, the "artists of socialism" nonsense is just so much bunk, and thorouighly debunked. 1065678;1427143283;trinque;I got drunk and started giving a loud speech at a bar about how great markets are 1065679;1427143291;mircea_popescu;this was the soviet argument in the 20s. their "artistry" fizzled, and really, 10 years out of 70 ? 1065680;1427143312;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i know that part, i'm not arguing roundly for its merits. 1065681;1427143326;trinque;and how "artists" live at the pleasure of people with wealth, and no other way 1065682;1427143341;mircea_popescu;o.O 1065683;1427143348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00025001 = 3.5626 BTC [+] {2} 1065684;1427143362;nubbins`;what are you o.Oing about 1065685;1427143367;mircea_popescu;so basically we could say "another copacetic union ruined by trilema" ? 1065686;1427143373;trinque;yeah just about 1065687;1427143378;nubbins`;you wrote an essay on this, i ...oh, heh 1065688;1427143381;trinque;I was an asshole before I read you, though 1065689;1427143382;mircea_popescu;the regulator of intensity. 1065690;1427143383;trinque;:D 1065691;1427143397;mircea_popescu;lol i need new fucking bylines. 1065692;1427143407;mircea_popescu;"Empowering assholes, since before very long ago." 1065693;1427143423;nubbins`;"making your thorax palpitate since 1978" 1065694;1427143430;trinque;look! the sky! it's the ass-signal! 1065695;1427143435;mircea_popescu;lol 1065696;1427143435;trinque;mp aways 1065697;1427143465;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, funny story. friend with small baby, intelligent woman, actual engineer, the works. 1065698;1427143473;mircea_popescu;so she is prepared, right ? 1065699;1427143485;nubbins`;not necessarily 1065700;1427143489;mircea_popescu;she knows, for instance, that one of the first things kids babblingly ask is why is the sky blue ? 1065701;1427143495;mircea_popescu;so she's got it ready to lay out. 1065702;1427143495;ben_vulpes;can one be? 1065703;1427143497;nubbins`;o sure 1065704;1427143501;mircea_popescu;kid asks "why sky ?" 1065705;1427143533;trinque;woah.gif 1065706;1427143552;trinque;reminds me of louis ck's "why" bit 1065707;1427143556;mircea_popescu;the only thing missing'd have been, kid frowning and in very bussins voice 1065708;1427143565;mircea_popescu;"you know you're not really that well prepared." 1065709;1427143568;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u2ZsoYWwJA 1065710;1427143569;assbot;Louis C.K. "Why?" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsmvBz ) 1065711;1427143583;*;trinque must find a power outlet, brb 1065712;1427143599;mircea_popescu;check it out, trinquette kicked undata out, now he's a bum 1065713;1427143639;thestringpuller;buddy of mine is a sticker bomber. 1065714;1427143653;thestringpuller;has a sticker that says, "Keeping public employees employed since 2009" 1065715;1427143668;thestringpuller;since he only puts them on government owned things 1065716;1427143695;thestringpuller;;;seen undata 1065717;1427143696;gribble;undata was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 35 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: * undata clicks 1065718;1427143709;nubbins`;that's a "does", not an "is" :D 1065719;1427143771;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1065720;1427143866;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, well... that's a good point. in honesty so is gawker, but anyway. the distinction between one model and the other blurs. 1065721;1427143917;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1065722;1427143924;mircea_popescu;in the words of the great jukov, "the fact that the americans won that battle by sheer accident doesn't mean we shouldn't win the same way deliberately" 1065723;1427143963;mircea_popescu;and if neobee/primeasic/whatever is bitcoin news, so is the exactly identially executed, designed and manned "mars project" 1065724;1427143993;BingoBoingo;I'll write it up 1065725;1427144001;mircea_popescu;nah i dun mean this one specifically. 1065726;1427144006;mircea_popescu;but the next one, if it ever happens. 1065727;1427144043;mircea_popescu;at any rate, i think by now we know more about scams than ny's da office, collectively. 1065728;1427144125;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1065729;1427144153;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: aite, the Mars thing has been out for a while. I'll keep looking for the next one. 1065730;1427144227;chetty;if the da's knew anything about scams the entire rest of the gubermint would be in jail 1065731;1427144246;mircea_popescu;that also. but i just mean know, not necessarily act, to give them a chance. 1065732;1427144476;mircea_popescu;louis c k is givving the snotty brat way too much control over her environment. 1065733;1427144486;mircea_popescu;she's gonna grow up to believe socialism is best because artists. 1065734;1427144505;ascii_field;achtung, panzers: 1065735;1427144506;ascii_field;http://tomforb.es/dell-system-detect-rce-vulnerability 1065736;1427144506;assbot;Dell System Detect RCE vulnerability | Tom's corner of the internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HsqSfZ ) 1065737;1427144524;ascii_field;Run Moar Winblows (TM) 1065738;1427144547;ascii_field;'While investigating this rather innocuous looking program I discovered that it accepts commands by listening for HTTP requests on localhost:8884 and that the security restrictions Dell put in place are easily bypassed, meaning an attacker could trigger the program to download and install any arbitrary executable from a remote location with no user interaction at all.' 1065739;1427144550;mircea_popescu;While investigating this rather innocuous looking program I discovered that it accepts commands by listening for HTTP requests on localhost:8884 and that the security restrictions Dell put in place are easily bypassed, meaning an attacker could trigger the program to download and install any arbitrary executable from a remote location with no user interaction at all. 1065740;1427144555;mircea_popescu;ahaha oops. sorry. 1065741;1427144557;ascii_field;^ l0l 1065742;1427144559;mircea_popescu;anyway, sounds exactly like dell 1065743;1427144592;thestringpuller;is this why you use thinkpads? 1065744;1427144611;mircea_popescu;" So let's take a closer look at the program - it's a .NET 2.0 executable and can be completely decompiled with dotPeek into a set of Visual Studio solutions." 1065745;1427144617;mircea_popescu;F for effin'... 1065746;1427144633;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller nah, i write my own drivers. in vi. 1065747;1427144660;punkman;http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/263.pdf "Our attack allows an adversary controlling a sufficient number of IP addresses to monopolize all connections to and from a victim bitcoin node." 1065748;1427144663;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xssO8A ) 1065749;1427144828;mircea_popescu;yeah the node connections sorter is really high up on the list of fixes. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998341 etc 1065750;1427144828;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 06:45:26; mircea_popescu: something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units. << that something is athena riding a flaming shield. 1065751;1427144832;*;ascii_field remembers about his unfinished 'hardwired peers' patch for 0.5.3 1065752;1427144858;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and the "introduce scoring for peers, shitlist least performing for x interval" idea from earlier, same thread. 1065753;1427144859;ben_vulpes;murder on my mind. 1065754;1427144888;brendafdez;re: Businesscards. I found a QR code with a BTC address, and now, also the GPG fingerprint, provide a good excuse to hand it out without sounding like you're forcing them. "Where do I send the btc?" --"Here!" (: 1065755;1427144895;ascii_field;i'll sum it up here. 1) sane node -always, without exception- connects to as many wot nodes as are up 2) then possibly connects to others from cache 1065756;1427144897;ben_vulpes;is redundant block downloading a horrible idea? 1065757;1427144907;mircea_popescu;no. 1065758;1427144934;ben_vulpes;perhaps to reduce bw waste, randomly ask for n-plicate copies of blocks from other nodes? 1065759;1427144951;ben_vulpes;"randomly" 1065760;1427144974;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the only reasonable way to go about it is, pretend the other nodes are your employees. measure the txn bytes/minute you receive from them, give points. 1065761;1427144989;mircea_popescu;problem solves itself. whether they duplicate or not is a byproduct : competition, economical. 1065762;1427145026;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: measure the txn bytes/minute you receive from them << won't work for 0.5.3 as presently exists. bastard blocks -get transmitted- before rejected 1065763;1427145034;*;mircea_popescu waits patiently for the vc funded, world changing "start-up" predicated on having read the above lines in the log. 1065764;1427145054;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i was talking more in terms of how it's supposed to go. i'm aware the current pos is a pos. 1065765;1427145054;ben_vulpes;"this one neat trick to speed up blockchain sync time!" 1065766;1427145074;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and also, on my personal wishlist : could block generation finally be fucking fixed ? 1065767;1427145084;ben_vulpes;what's wrong with it? 1065768;1427145086;mircea_popescu;i was nonplussed that i can't make blocksized txn in 2012, i still am nonplussed. 1065769;1427145095;mircea_popescu;if i want to make a txn that's 1mb, i do. 1065770;1427145107;ben_vulpes;oh hm. 1065771;1427145115;ben_vulpes;that's deeeeeeep in the transaction creation code iirc. 1065772;1427145120;mircea_popescu;it's a total fucking pain when stuff like, payout of the bfl bitbet happens 1065773;1427145123;mircea_popescu;or recently, berkshire. 1065774;1427145133;mircea_popescu;yes i know. that pile of dung has to be exorcised. 1065775;1427145141;ascii_field;fastest way for mircea_popescu to do this is, unfortunately but probably, to wait for my version. 1065776;1427145154;mircea_popescu;i been waitin' a long time honey! 1065777;1427145155;ascii_field;(or write himself. anyone's bet who wins) 1065778;1427145159;mircea_popescu;literally, 2012. 1065779;1427145194;mircea_popescu;(mp fondly remembers how he's one of the... one guy that hit the power rangers over the head until they finally put encryption into wallets. which, prior to mid 2012, were plaintext) 1065780;1427145194;ascii_field;(i like how it occurred to no one to ask why 1mb tx) 1065781;1427145213;mircea_popescu;(and i'm not entirely sure that encryption's worth jack shit, by the way, if someone feels like reading it) 1065782;1427145232;ascii_field;generic aes 1065783;1427145244;mircea_popescu;and what, can't be subtly fucked up ? 1065784;1427145249;ascii_field;sure it can 1065785;1427145250;mircea_popescu;besides, fucking aes. 1065786;1427145252;ascii_field;calls out to openssl even 1065787;1427145262;ben_vulpes;i don't see why not. 1065788;1427145274;ben_vulpes;i don't see why plaintext is so bad, i mean to say. 1065789;1427145280;ben_vulpes;but that's probably stockhol. 1065790;1427145282;ben_vulpes;stockholm. 1065791;1427145287;mircea_popescu;it's stockholm. 1065792;1427145296;ben_vulpes;encrypt wallet with gpg, move to safe location on disk, run without hot wallet. 1065793;1427145299;ascii_field;ben_vulpes does not keep 'wallet' around. he memorizes private key 1065794;1427145313;ben_vulpes;stop bitcoind, move wallet back in, restart, sync wallet txns periodically. 1065795;1427145319;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes don't forget to encrypt your privkey ring with gpg too 1065796;1427145324;ben_vulpes;ya well duh. 1065797;1427145327;mircea_popescu;because they ALSO didnt see why it's so bad 1065798;1427145329;ben_vulpes;symmetric in my brain. 1065799;1427145345;ben_vulpes;its really the only sane model. 1065800;1427145372;mircea_popescu;look, you're spewing nonsense. think in simple terms : if wallet is encrypted by program using it, then it can be read by program using it, and kernel. 1065801;1427145382;ascii_field;no shit 1065802;1427145386;mircea_popescu;if wallet is encrypted in useralnd, then it's read by gpg 1065803;1427145388;mircea_popescu;and everyone else. 1065804;1427145391;mircea_popescu;including... the disk. 1065805;1427145394;mircea_popescu;and so on and so forth. 1065806;1427145408;ascii_field;incidentally (i wrote) a neat little proof of concept bin patch for bitcoind on winblows. 1065807;1427145423;ben_vulpes;i've always assumed that if someone got access to the machine while hot, the coins were gone regardless. 1065808;1427145428;ascii_field;the first outgoing tx sent by the luser after it goes to addr A 1065809;1427145431;ascii_field;(magic constant) 1065810;1427145441;ascii_field;notice how much good the wallet crypto does him. 1065811;1427145469;ascii_field;oh and sends whole wallet's weight of course 1065812;1427145474;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you know im not proposing quinine solves gout over here. 1065813;1427145487;ascii_field;aha 1065814;1427145502;mircea_popescu;and your "poc" that "sends whole wallet" is going to run into some fucking lulzy problems once it gets implemented, 1065815;1427145507;mircea_popescu;because no one knows what's in a wallet. 1065816;1427145517;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: think for a minute 1065817;1427145522;ascii_field;doesn't send the file 1065818;1427145528;mircea_popescu;but ? 1065819;1427145536;ascii_field;creates a legit tx using the luser's own client 1065820;1427145540;mircea_popescu;right 1065821;1427145542;mircea_popescu;that says wut ? 1065822;1427145569;mircea_popescu;whatever it may say, fuck you and a heap of error: {"code":-4,"message":"Transaction creation failed"} 1065823;1427145577;ascii_field;that has [sum of his unspent coin - 0.1 fee] value, and is to addr A (constant) instead of wherever he asked for 1065824;1427145593;mircea_popescu;if you imagine this "sum of unspent coin" symbol is defined... 1065825;1427145601;brendafdez;I always wondered why negative error codes... 1065826;1427145610;mircea_popescu;brendafdez correlates to iq. 1065827;1427145615;brendafdez;(: 1065828;1427145629;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: iterates, incr. fee, until no error 1065829;1427145634;ascii_field;can't promise that it works for everyone. 1065830;1427145641;mircea_popescu;np problem, well done. 1065831;1427145654;mircea_popescu;"hey everyone since i installed alfbitcoin my system has been doing 100% cpu" 1065832;1427145665;ascii_field;where's the np ? 1065833;1427145671;mircea_popescu;in the fucking wallet. 1065834;1427145699;ascii_field;theoretically a knapsack problem, yes 1065835;1427145700;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a reason wallet theft consisted of stealing the (plaintext) wallet file 1065836;1427145705;ascii_field;but in practice quadratic. 1065837;1427145711;mircea_popescu;rather than this sort of stuff. it's about 100x easier, given the sad state of bitcoind 1065838;1427145735;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: and recipient does what? 1065839;1427145741;ascii_field;he is also stuck with the knapsack 1065840;1427145747;mircea_popescu;and people fail to think how important this is, because atm relatively few addresses (if you divide total btc to total addresses you get a .x ish average) 1065841;1427145761;mircea_popescu;but once the average per address is under 0.0001... just you see quadratics then 1065842;1427145767;ascii_field;then - yes 1065843;1427145770;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yes but can do it in his own time. 1065844;1427145781;mircea_popescu;with actual tools. etc. 1065845;1427145835;ascii_field;who the hell has wallet full of nanodust also 1065846;1427145846;mircea_popescu;EVERYONE 1065847;1427145871;ben_vulpes;everyone. 1065848;1427145880;ben_vulpes;well, most people. 1065849;1427145885;mircea_popescu;i would guess more bitcoin has been loist to nanodusting than to outright laptop-in-garbage dump incidents 1065850;1427145889;ascii_field;if so, it is on account of the idiocy where the client has no idea how to 'defragment' 1065851;1427145895;ascii_field;and is averse to sending to himself 1065852;1427145897;mircea_popescu;just, the owners still think they own the dust they can't actually send anywhere. 1065853;1427145927;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not only that. the txn making is dust-agnostic. instead of optimizing to not create too small chunks, it just does whatever. 1065854;1427145936;mircea_popescu;because "too hard". 1065855;1427145944;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the fucktards are busy "innovating" bullshit. 1065856;1427145958;mircea_popescu;the hard problems of bitcoin are still untouched since six yyears ago when satoshi saw them and ran screaming. 1065857;1427145962;ascii_field;the most frustrating part is that the correct solutions are so obvious. 1065858;1427145976;mircea_popescu;yeah, they are : go entertain cia over the weekend. 1065859;1427145977;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1065860;1427145986;ascii_field;l0l 1065861;1427146007;ascii_field;i mean to say, they are actually obvious to anyone who stayed awake in junior 'algorithms' 1065862;1427146021;mircea_popescu;nobody went to school. 1065863;1427146024;mircea_popescu;they're all fucking experts. 1065864;1427146028;*;ascii_field went to school 1065865;1427146030;ascii_field;and nubbins` iirc 1065866;1427146033;ascii_field;and a few others 1065867;1427146043;ben_vulpes; ascii_field not only that. the txn making is dust-agnostic. instead of optimizing to not create too small chunks, it just does whatever. << aggressively whatever. semi random selection of outputs, iirc. 1065868;1427146053;mircea_popescu;right. 1065869;1427146062;ascii_field;i get it, it was written by monkeys 1065870;1427146067;mircea_popescu;(honestly i've not really looked what they've been doing with it since 7ish) 1065871;1427146079;ascii_field;mircea_popescu did not miss much 1065872;1427146104;ascii_field;ben_vulpes has an exhaustive catalogue 1065873;1427146120;mircea_popescu;ascii_field anyway, if you're curious, do a braid on a bitcoin then see what happens. 1065874;1427146131;ascii_field;braid ? 1065875;1427146132;ben_vulpes;hardly exhaustive. 1065876;1427146137;mircea_popescu;(split it to three addresses, then feed one by two for a while) 1065877;1427146142;mircea_popescu;then see what you can spend and what you can't. 1065878;1427146149;mircea_popescu;this is the golden standard for testing txn generators. 1065879;1427146181;mircea_popescu;or, closer to what you want, "then send it all to one address". see with own eyes. 1065880;1427146186;ascii_field;i have this working for a [censored application] but it uses machine (outside of bitcoind) generated tx 1065881;1427146198;mircea_popescu;yeah well, WHY IS THAT 1065882;1427146201;ascii_field;and raw key material 1065883;1427146218;mircea_popescu;alf trying to scam me in argument! "oh, bitcoind works. i think so because i don't use it because it doesn't" 1065884;1427146222;ascii_field;l0l 1065885;1427146248;*;ascii_field believes when mircea_popescu says that it -will- explode if used as printed on the crate 1065886;1427146262;BingoBoingo;Well, sometimes it does 1065887;1427146265;mircea_popescu;hence why we're terrorists. 1065888;1427146272;ascii_field;likewise most of the folks here have read enough of it to see how this might be 1065889;1427146309;BingoBoingo;Bitcoind (and a number of the other 'wallets') grind balances to dust over time. 1065890;1427146342;ascii_field;don't forget that this was -deliberate- 1065891;1427146353;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1065892;1427146354;ascii_field;phoundation justified it with 'bbbut an0nym1ty1111!!111' 1065893;1427146372;mircea_popescu;this is way before vessenes was invented. 1065894;1427146385;ascii_field;'wouldn't want to link the coins you got from bin laden to the ones you got from george bush, when you go spend'em' 1065895;1427146399;mircea_popescu;you for some reason seem to think scam foundation and bitcoin are cogenerational. this is about as true as saying you and your mom were born the same week 1065896;1427146431;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i formed this impression because i do not know the actual truth of the extent of collaboration between gavin et al and satoshi pre-phoundation 1065897;1427146448;ascii_field;having contradictory data, assumed the worst. 1065898;1427146479;mircea_popescu;fake foundation's just a pressed shitbullet, they made it, getting rid of it won't get rid of the problem. 1065899;1427146488;mircea_popescu;it's exactly like "Bitcoin magazine", meanwhile buried. 1065900;1427146500;ascii_field;i saw it as more of a snakeskin 1065901;1427146503;mircea_popescu;once they didn't get away with simply stealing that, they made coindesk. 1065902;1427146504;ascii_field;shed as many times as snake likes 1065903;1427146517;mircea_popescu;which will be buried too, but... still. you don't kill ticks by breaking the bellies. 1065904;1427146577;mircea_popescu;anyway, gavin showed up pretty quick o nthe original lists. to no one's suprirse, nsa does read the stuff, as amply documented. 1065905;1427146610;ascii_field;so then. 1065906;1427146623;mircea_popescu;foundation not directly related to this. 1065907;1427146644;*;ascii_field saw phoundation and gavinatronics as mostly synonymous 1065908;1427146657;ben_vulpes;he's a useful front, as i see it. 1065909;1427146731;mircea_popescu;well perhaps the discussion of which lice spawned what scorpion is not directly interesting to engineers, being more in the vein of politics and law. so i guess you actually have a fine aproximation. 1065910;1427146763;*;ascii_field actually does find it interesting, and if mircea_popescu ever writes a detailed likbez, will enjoy reading 1065911;1427146769;mircea_popescu;but no, the two got merged late. originally, foundation was transparent scam to syphon and repurpose bitcoins to prop up "vc entreprises". 1065912;1427146816;mircea_popescu;once got called out on that, shed some bits (coinlab, anyone recall that ?) and moved to "worthy goals" (stioll not releasing any reports, because vessenes, like all clueless idiots involved, thinks taint is a thing, and also thinks i don't know his addresses, because whatever, he's magically protected by nulandine) 1065913;1427146835;mircea_popescu;except no worthy goals were willing to work with them, and so moved to "default worthy goal" = pay gavin a salary. 1065914;1427146843;mircea_popescu;which was getting paid anyway. but better cover now. 1065915;1427146874;mircea_popescu;which pretty much brings us to 2014, when the thing became too expensive to be useful, so it had to run out of usg jurisdiction (went to uk) 1065916;1427146884;mircea_popescu;pretending now that hey, "they are publishing reports". of the new entity. 1065917;1427146910;mircea_popescu;because whatever, i'm going to hang them anyway, and usg isn't going to hang them no matter what, so that leaves a space in the middle. 1065918;1427146921;mircea_popescu;which pretty much brings us to date. 1065919;1427146990;mircea_popescu;(and by "too expensive to be useful" i don't mean anything but, for every btc in gains it makes us, it gives that terrorist we shall not name 10 to 100 btc worth of ammo) 1065920;1427147069;*;mircea_popescu waves @ Patrick Merck, who realised all this shit too late and ran off through the wall. 1065921;1427147185;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/political-donor-in-schweich-suicide-controversy-revises-statement/article_793bf835-d709-5be8-9124-4dd481567809.html 1065922;1427147186;assbot;Political donor in Schweich suicide controversy revises statement : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1N86jHy ) 1065923;1427147196;mircea_popescu;o.O 1065924;1427147230;BingoBoingo;"called a Jew" scapegoat isn't as sticky nao 1065925;1427147252;mats;is Merck still general counsel for TBP? 1065926;1427147293;ascii_field;https://www.google.com/doodles/emmy-noethers-133rd-birthday << l0l that google remembered this actually interesting figure and not some wanker 1065927;1427147295;assbot;Emmy Noether's 133rd Birthday ... ( http://bit.ly/1N86Fhd ) 1065928;1427147327;thestringpuller;ascii_field: has a crush 1065929;1427147331;mircea_popescu;mats like beauty : yes, until you ask. 1065930;1427147354;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller if you want to talk "women in tech" it really starts with noether. 1065931;1427147377;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not with lovelace ? 1065932;1427147402;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1065933;1427147436;ascii_field;it doesn't get any hotter than lovelace, imho 1065934;1427147461;BingoBoingo;!up thomas 1065935;1427147474;mircea_popescu;noether was born in 82, yo! 1065936;1427147490;mircea_popescu;lovelace is this 70s bs. 1065937;1427147497;ascii_field;this is the nice thing re: dead folks 1065938;1427147508;ascii_field;they can be $age in your head 1065939;1427147529;mircea_popescu;anywya, i have deepthroat right here, it's... ungreat. 1065940;1427147599;ascii_field;i often wonder where the 'kabuki' of modern western porn came from 1065941;1427147613;mircea_popescu;not there. 1065942;1427147616;ascii_field;meaning, roughly speaking, the set of conventions re: what the heroes look like, what they do, etc. 1065943;1427147628;mircea_popescu;originally, it was actually max hardcore i think. after that, it was mostly bangbros. 1065944;1427147629;ascii_field;(because, i will confess, i never really went in for it) 1065945;1427147644;mircea_popescu;before that, it was randoim shit. 1065946;1427147660;mircea_popescu;(if you read teh trilematograph heading you prolly know i've been working on a very similar question) 1065947;1427147764;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065075 << check it out, kitty spit out a furball! 1065948;1427147764;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 13:45:09; nubbins`: (given that free advice can only cost $0, the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes the set from being a field, which means that division by zero is not required to be undefined, which means that your assertion that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially, true) 1065949;1427147803;mircea_popescu;dun worry sir whiteknight, b-a brings the best out in everyone. 1065950;1427147805;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1065951;1427147806;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1065952;1427147811;mircea_popescu;too late alfie. 1065953;1427147819;ascii_field;l0l 1065954;1427147840;mircea_popescu;btw, want me to tell you a romanian joke ? 1065955;1427147845;ascii_field;aha 1065956;1427147866;mircea_popescu;guy walking through street at night. suddenly, jumped by some burly dudes. 1065957;1427147877;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: too late alfie. << ahahhhahaha. The nickname is sticking! 1065958;1427147885;mircea_popescu;they struggle a little, he's taken to the ground, at which point the leader of the pack goes 1065959;1427147912;mircea_popescu;listen dude, you're getting fucked whbether you want to or not. it's a fact. the only questrion to you is, if you want to do it with alifie or without. 1065960;1427147919;mircea_popescu;so the guy eventually decides to go with. 1065961;1427147929;mircea_popescu;at which the leader goes "Yo! Alifie! come over we got one." 1065962;1427147967;mircea_popescu;(alifie, in romanian, is maz') 1065963;1427148003;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065889 fyi, electrum does not and has opposite problem - you must freeze addresses to prevent it always spending everything 1065964;1427148003;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 21:31:49; BingoBoingo: Bitcoind (and a number of the other 'wallets') grind balances to dust over time. 1065965;1427148036;jurov;at least 1.9, dunno about 2.0 1065966;1427148050;mircea_popescu;yeah different but not necessarily better 1065967;1427148088;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065093 << they are. 1065968;1427148088;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 14:21:16; bitstein: Is there a reason WoT ratings are not required to be GPG signed? 1065969;1427148093;mircea_popescu;!up bitstein 1065970;1427148122;jurov;does assbot store the !v verification string? 1065971;1427148130;jurov;imo that was what was meant 1065972;1427148135;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065099 << this is not how assbot works, tho. 1065973;1427148135;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 14:22:40; Adlai: and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby 1065974;1427148171;mircea_popescu;jurov so the question was more "why does assbot not implement the drawbacks to privacy of a strong crypto verification scheme" ? 1065975;1427148180;mircea_popescu;phrased like that it's obvious. 1065976;1427148196;jurov;what? everyone being able to check rating entries independently of assbot would do that? 1065977;1427148226;mircea_popescu;well, you're stuck publishing all this signed material in that model. 1065978;1427148233;mircea_popescu;not like people can't do that if they wish, via deedbot. 1065979;1427148283;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065100 << assbot model is much improved over gribble model. there's no more sessions, so you're mostly battling with a solved problem there. 1065980;1427148283;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 14:22:44; bitstein: That just allows the server to know it is talking to who it thinks it is talking to, but it doesn't guarantee the server hasn't fabricated data. 1065981;1427148285;ascii_field;tale is variant of 'death by bunga-bunga' 1065982;1427148291;mircea_popescu;it is. 1065983;1427148346;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065107 << no dood, the situation's exactly reversed here. assbot fixed some problems, it's up to nanotube to support it in gribble, which he said he was going to eventually do. 1065984;1427148346;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 14:25:35; thestringpuller: its up to kako if he wants to support it with asswot 1065985;1427148427;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065126 << you got it soviet! 1065986;1427148427;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 14:45:54; funkenstein_: that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works towards being "less manipulated". 1065987;1427148431;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1065988;1427148438;indiancandy1;hiya 1065989;1427148470;mircea_popescu;how goes 1065990;1427148534;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065154 << consensus is undesirable. but actually, as implemented, assbot does work perfectly for the purpose(s). 1065991;1427148534;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 15:07:09; Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus... 1065992;1427148654;mircea_popescu;ahahaha who the fuck came up with this shit. seriously, photoshop "Refuses to open" somethng ? 1065993;1427148679;mircea_popescu;and the user's reaction is anything but getting a 28 inch dropforged wrench and beating it into a pulp. without grease. ? 1065994;1427148729;danielpbarron;"i don't want to learn a new thing" 1065995;1427148812;mircea_popescu;i suppose i might be the only techno-enabled sociopath that disassembled misbehaving hardware/software and let them do X for a while, by themselves, in the dark. 1065996;1427148841;mircea_popescu;like this lazy cd rom that wouldn't spin properly which ended up plucked out, connected straight to power and let spin until it ground itself off. 1065997;1427148864;mircea_popescu;god fucking help any piece of machinery that "just says no" 1065998;1427148914;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065185 << in sovietlandia one had to "Register" his typewriter, after all. 1065999;1427148914;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 15:18:04; asciilifeform: 'for your own good' of course 1066000;1427148922;bitstein;mircea_popescu: assbot model is much improved over gribble model. there's no more sessions, so you're mostly battling with a solved problem there. << doing an auth for each request is definitely an improvement, but can you elaborate on how that solves the problem? 1066001;1427148950;mircea_popescu;well lets start by you stating the problem ? 1066002;1427149009;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065198 << it uses meta-yellow ink. you dunno how world works. 1066003;1427149009;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 15:28:39; nubbins`: (how? because the yellow tank contains black ink!) 1066004;1427149125;mircea_popescu;lol at the fluffypony businessoutsider link. EXCITING! may become the new AMAZING, as a new generation of idiots moves into bitcoin scam pushing. 1066005;1427149125;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1066006;1427149128;mircea_popescu;these are artists. 1066007;1427149152;fluffypony;it's this new trend 1066008;1427149161;fluffypony;of going "BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY IS IMPORTANT, BUT BITCOIN IS NOT" 1066009;1427149176;fluffypony;and if you shout it loudly enough and often enough it must be true, amiright? 1066010;1427149182;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065236 << once they couldn't find anything but the same social studies rejects to "write" 1066011;1427149182;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 16:05:03; thestringpuller: when did businessinsider become gawker? 1066012;1427149205;mircea_popescu;fluffypony im sure it's so totally going to work like all the previous attempts did, which is why we're here. 1066013;1427149219;bitstein;mircea_popescu: I am under the impression that if they wanted to, kako or nano could publish ratings under any name as they please. Is this correct? If so, how can someone viewing the WoT db have certainty that information they see is as the rater intended? GPG signing would be one solution. 1066014;1427149267;mircea_popescu;bitstein this is true for both of them, currently. this happens to also not be a problem because a) they could do this once ; and b) the way you're supposed to use this tool is by asking the raters about their ratings. 1066015;1427149276;mircea_popescu;as pere the entire "wot is not an oilfield with trust as oil". 1066016;1427149308;jurov;!rate bitstein -10 fake rating 1066017;1427149308;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/fe66fb89030ffb97 1066018;1427149310;mircea_popescu;note that changing this model for "maintain signed ratings" does not help : either of them could show OLD rather than current ratings, which would still be undetectable. 1066019;1427149397;bitstein;mircea_popescu: b is an important point, thanks. As for old rather than current ratings, that's where shasums and deedbot could come in to help. 1066020;1427149406;mircea_popescu;how ? 1066021;1427149438;jurov;bitstein, looks like you want to reinvent the blockchain or sidechain 1066022;1427149441;mircea_popescu;on the other side of the fence there is this (i suspect irrational) notion that pumping out signed material weakens the signer key. 1066023;1427149657;bitstein;mircea_popescu: you would have the hash of the db timestamped, so you can verify that the rating is current as of a certain point (given you have the data to recreate the hash) 1066024;1427149671;mircea_popescu;how would you know when the rating's supposed to be ? 1066025;1427149677;mircea_popescu;i have ratings i made 2 years ago. 1066026;1427149721;indiancandy1;soo 1066027;1427149724;indiancandy1;wat u doin 1066028;1427149754;mircea_popescu;talkin to guys. you ? 1066029;1427149787;mircea_popescu;bitstein take otc-wot rating #14167 on pirateat40, made 2012-08-29 03:14:41. how do you know this is current ? 1066030;1427149814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14995 @ 0.00025247 = 3.7858 BTC [+] 1066031;1427149885;bitstein;mircea_popescu: Right, it wouldn't prevent the server from not publishing a rating 1066032;1427149890;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065261 << omaigawds stop your fud, everyone knows the turing machine only had 1 and 0. 2256 should be plenty for everyone. 1066033;1427149890;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 16:29:55; Adlai: still a little silly for the platform bandied about as turing-complete to lack actual bignums 1066034;1427149942;mircea_popescu;bitstein inasmuch as you want a central repository, you're stuck with a central repository. if you look into the design papers / discussions around gossipd, this is also a well solved problem, just, 1066035;1427149948;mircea_popescu;takes a while to implement, because 1066036;1427149951;mircea_popescu;;;seen artifexd 1066037;1427149951;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: Oh, actually that is complaining about one of the golang tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly. 1066038;1427149963;mircea_popescu;hm, he had a link with the fixing the lightbulb thing. anyway. 1066039;1427149984;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065266 << it is iirc. 1066040;1427149984;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 16:34:10; *: Adlai is fairly certain that phuctor is written in cl 1066041;1427150032;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065270 << there is the !t command. but i think the idea is, if you see it happen you hafta say. 1066042;1427150032;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 16:55:12; PeterL: https://bitbet.us/bet/1127/qntra-to-the-moon/ uses assbot at a resolution source, does assbot keep historical price records? 1066043;1427150072;artifexd;The implementation isn't that hard. It is the education that is time consuming. 1066044;1427150132;mircea_popescu;implementation without education bears monsters. 1066045;1427150140;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065298 << yeah that's kinda what keeps these in line. 1066046;1427150140;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 17:30:36; PeterL: what I mean is there is such a small amount bet on the bet, you might spend more than you would win holding the price up. Spend tens of btc to win .003 btc? 1066047;1427150199;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065314 << the basic idea, idiot hostile hardware, is a brilliant idea. 1066048;1427150199;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 17:54:27; ascii_field: the basic idea - owner-hostile hardware - is gaining ground. 1066049;1427150215;mircea_popescu;this notion that "any people is a people" and computer should be nice to everyone that touches it is nonsense. 1066050;1427150227;mircea_popescu;computer is a woman. it's the woman's job to make loser's life insufferable. 1066051;1427150238;bitstein;mircea_popescu: Thanks. I'll continue reading/thinking about it. 1066052;1427150246;mircea_popescu;sole purpose the world even exists. 1066053;1427150257;mircea_popescu;bitstein what are you trying to do incidentally ? 1066054;1427150363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11215 @ 0.00025068 = 2.8114 BTC [-] {2} 1066055;1427150506;bitstein;mircea_popescu: I've just been playing with gpg authentication in flask, and I'm trying to better understand how the WoT (in its current implementation) mitigates various risks. 1066056;1427150546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17577 @ 0.00024634 = 4.3299 BTC [-] {2} 1066057;1427150552;mircea_popescu;aha. worthy goal. 1066058;1427150576;nubbins`;^ 1066059;1427150729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10435 @ 0.00024818 = 2.5898 BTC [+] 1066060;1427151158;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re the entire "cinavia" stuff, it seems to me trivial to bypass. 1066061;1427151181;mircea_popescu;then again, i have actually never used a "music cd player", and i don't imagine i ever will. 1066062;1427151307;mircea_popescu;the entire "the watermark is able to survive recording through microphones" is utter bull, so it defeats analog copy. you can trivially remasterize a soundtrack, and if you know what to look for you just nuke it and nobody will even know. 1066063;1427151314;brendafdez;"Even if distribution as a means of payment continues to increase, the system's advantage – decentralization – is also its biggest drawback. Unlike legal tender, there is no authority that guarantees the value of the currency, and bitcoin does not benefit from the resulting confidence. In the end, this confidence is crucial for any currency whose usage extends beyond the exchange of goods." https://www.credit-suisse.com/ch/en/ne 1066064;1427151314;assbot;Document not found - Credit Suisse ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjkfN9 ) 1066065;1427151314;brendafdez;ws-and-expertise/news/banking.article.html/article/pwp/news-and-expertise/2015/03/en/bitcoins-money-without-physical-form.html 1066066;1427151319;brendafdez;https://www.credit-suisse.com/ch/en/news-and-expertise/news/banking.article.html/article/pwp/news-and-expertise/2015/03/en/bitcoins-money-without-physical-form.html 1066067;1427151323;assbot;Bitcoins – Money Without Physical Form  - Banking - Credit Suisse ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjkhEH ) 1066068;1427151326;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the costs for this pointless idiocy is, that somehow a "commercial" product became MANDATORY. 1066069;1427151332;mircea_popescu;this is not worth the foregoing even if it worked. 1066070;1427151352;mircea_popescu;brendafdez yeah, they'd know. 1066071;1427151379;mircea_popescu;i'm personally waiting for the credit suisse article about the loss of confidence in swiss banks as a result of them selling out their customers to usg & friends. 1066072;1427151402;mircea_popescu;somehow they're not as emphatically knowledgeable on that topic. good that they know how to posture about "confidence" re bitcoin instead. 1066073;1427151436;mircea_popescu;ima go read this article right before i go interview some lepers about best hygiene and diet practices. 1066074;1427151443;brendafdez;the future holds much lols ahead 1066075;1427151486;mircea_popescu;"On 5 June 2009, the licensing agreements for AACS were finalized, which were updated to make Cinavia detection on commercial Blu-ray Disc players a requirement. On 3 July 2009, Maxim Anisiutkin published an open source DVD Audio watermark detector and neutralizer computer program to the SourceForge web site. The software package contains a detailed description of the method and embedding parameters used in creating th 1066076;1427151486;mircea_popescu;e DVD Audio or SDMI (Secure Digital Music Initiative) watermark, which was created by Verance Inc and was the earlier version of the Cinavia watermarking technology." 1066077;1427151489;mircea_popescu;heh nm me. 1066078;1427151601;mircea_popescu;nubbins` : one face : name, nickname, key. other face : qntra verbiage. 1066079;1427151684;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065371 << different height different distance different usable cargoload. 1066080;1427151684;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 18:11:57; PeterL: wright brothers were working in their garage 1066081;1427151732;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065377 << well, at least it's one that admits to it. new york times is a publicly traded non profit. 1066082;1427151732;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 18:12:56; funkenstein_: it's a publicly traded non profit ? 1066083;1427151845;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065420 << he's not a cunt, he's a typical usg bureaucrat. 1066084;1427151845;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 18:54:36; nubbins`: "Things we dont need: " mp3 ? 1066120;1427152296;ascii_modem;so far stirmark wins always 1066121;1427152303;mircea_popescu;eh no fuckin way. 1066122;1427152314;ascii_modem;but audio has a good bit of slack bs video 1066123;1427152317;ascii_modem;vs 1066124;1427152341;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem so you're telling me there's f(data, pic.png) - > pic1.png so that a) i can read f and b) i can't didle pic1.png into pic2.png so you can't read data ? 1066125;1427152342;ascii_modem;(stirmark is open src app for zapping graphical watermarks) 1066126;1427152352;ascii_modem;always can 1066127;1427152356;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1066128;1427152359;ascii_modem;make it all black 1066129;1427152359;mircea_popescu;sound no different. 1066130;1427152365;mircea_popescu;nonono 1066131;1427152372;mircea_popescu;they stay pic.png 1066132;1427152397;mircea_popescu;jurov sure ? 1066133;1427152402;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1066134;1427152412;jurov;mircea_popescu: if i encode wav-> mp3 and place barely audible artifacts just so 1066135;1427152416;jurov;how do you revert? 1066136;1427152416;ascii_modem;the correct solution always removes. recall radio jammer thread. 1066137;1427152420;indiancandy1;hiyaback biatches 1066138;1427152427;jurov;you can jam but not revert 1066139;1427152431;mircea_popescu;jurov ffmpeg jurov.mp3 jurov.wav 1066140;1427152438;jurov;lmaoooo 1066141;1427152441;mircea_popescu;yes! 1066142;1427152442;ascii_modem;but you don't always -have- the decoder 1066143;1427152448;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem but here yo udo. 1066144;1427152463;jurov;the decoder will either reover the artifacts as intended 1066145;1427152467;ascii_modem;unless enemy foolishly gave it to you 1066146;1427152468;jurov;or introduce other ones 1066147;1427152473;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1066148;1427152481;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem consumer fucking products. the decoder is open. 1066149;1427152490;indiancandy1;whose got instagram 1066150;1427152492;ascii_modem;here you do. just need electron microskop 1066151;1427152504;mircea_popescu;not what we were discussing tho. 1066152;1427152537;ascii_modem;if you have it in software, there is no real puzzle 1066153;1427152544;mircea_popescu;argument to fucking ignorance, all this. "here's the fence that i made. it doesn't work, but if everyone made fences and we all agreed not to jump them then nobody could tell the difference" 1066154;1427152549;mircea_popescu;yeah dude, totally. sounds like a plan 1066155;1427152555;mircea_popescu;a plan to make a lot of mongol babies. 1066156;1427152556;ascii_modem;aha drm folk 1066157;1427152566;brendafdez;dont defeat the defeatable fence or else... 1066158;1427152582;mircea_popescu;and this brings us to the actual point i was making : 1066159;1427152589;mircea_popescu;it RUINS people, this. their minds, it rots. 1066160;1427152596;nubbins`;re: wav->mp3->wav 1066161;1427152598;mircea_popescu;living in this circumstance is very very bad because it makes one stupid. 1066162;1427152609;mircea_popescu;once your "commerical products" are "mandatory" it's not just music you broke. you broke economy. 1066163;1427152611;nubbins`;please tell me that you're not implying you can reconstruct lost information discarded by a codec 1066164;1427152614;funkenstein_;You can’t never go wrong cuttin’ fence.…Always cut fence. -- seldom seen smith 1066165;1427152620;mircea_popescu;now your kids won't be able to compete with their kids, because your kids are stupid. 1066166;1427152621;nubbins`;is this like CSI security cam footage? 1066167;1427152623;ascii_modem;incidentally it is worth remembering how it works 1066168;1427152629;nubbins`;*clickity clack* "enhance" 1066169;1427152631;mircea_popescu;and then you spend more to educate them, and the more you spend the stupider they get. 1066170;1427152644;ascii_modem;idiot hollywood types -demand- drm snakeoil 1066171;1427152648;mircea_popescu;and so you lost at life, all through this inept bullshit of "if we pretend it works anyway it'll really work!!1" 1066172;1427152657;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem who asked them anything / 1066173;1427152669;jurov;mircea your premise is good but arguments flawed 1066174;1427152671;indiancandy1;u lot are deep 1066175;1427152672;ascii_modem;charlatans materialize always, to give it to them 1066176;1427152674;indiancandy1;always ignore me 1066177;1427152675;indiancandy1;deeep 1066178;1427152676;mircea_popescu;this is the almighty, societal-saving importance of "fhut the suck up, nobody asked you anything" 1066179;1427152686;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 well we don't use instagram! 1066180;1427152714;ascii_modem;except hollywood and 'intellectual property' racket in general is core usg 1066181;1427152729;mircea_popescu;it can be the core of its own mother for all the difference it makes. 1066182;1427152729;brendafdez;indiancandy1 i'm not deep, just like pretending sometimes. those who are see right thru :3 1066183;1427152753;mircea_popescu;"sorry to tell you sir, you have cancer" "you know who i am ? i am the usg czar for rounded corners" "oh, in that case...umm... it's a skin condition. put some aloe on it." 1066184;1427152779;ascii_modem;whip the sea 1066185;1427152791;ascii_modem;but also the soldiers 1066186;1427152792;indiancandy1;yes i figured 1066187;1427152796;indiancandy1;u are a big softy 1066188;1427152798;indiancandy1;mp 1066189;1427152807;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 ever seen my penis btw ? 1066190;1427152817;ascii_modem;it was posted 1066191;1427152819;brendafdez;indiancandy1 thats a compliment? bi softy 1066192;1427152820;nubbins`;heh 1066193;1427152821;mircea_popescu;jurov im not so sure. then again im clueless enough about this stuff... 1066194;1427152842;mircea_popescu;mine's perforce a very theoretical perspective. 1066195;1427152857;ascii_modem;brb buying compressor hose (srsly) 1066196;1427152867;mircea_popescu;don't insert in anuses! 1066197;1427152871;nubbins`;srsly! 1066198;1427152876;nubbins`;dat embolism 1066199;1427152876;jurov;youre talking about "reverting" when you mean jamming the watermark 1066200;1427152888;indiancandy1;no 1066201;1427152892;indiancandy1;mp u wana send me a pic 1066202;1427152894;indiancandy1;LOOOL 1066203;1427152898;indiancandy1;brenda is in the buidling 1066204;1427152901;indiancandy1;hey brenda babe 1066205;1427152922;brendafdez;indiancandy1 hey :) 1066206;1427152928;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-pula-mea/ 1066207;1427152929;assbot;NSFW - Pula mea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjqNvi ) 1066208;1427152949;jurov;sup indiancandy1 1066209;1427152952;mircea_popescu;jurov myeah. 1066210;1427152970;mircea_popescu;nubbins` exploded cavitous organs != embolism yo. 1066211;1427153022;indiancandy1;is that a dildo 1066212;1427153025;indiancandy1;wtf is that 1066213;1427153031;mircea_popescu;ha! 1066214;1427153037;indiancandy1;dnt tell meu fuck ur bitches with that 1066215;1427153041;mircea_popescu;when one gets camho's going "Wtf is that"... 1066216;1427153059;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 it's why anal sex is best sex. unlike vagina, ass just keeps going. 1066217;1427153082;brendafdez;mircea_popescu you did post pictures of an actual penis in some other trilema article, if I remember right... 1066218;1427153105;indiancandy1;u give anal 1066219;1427153111;indiancandy1;or take it up thre bum 1066220;1427153111;mircea_popescu;don't normal-opress my cock yo! 1066221;1427153147;mircea_popescu;also, people, tuna is to be canned in oil not fucking water wtf is this. 1066222;1427153163;punkman;watery tuna is for noobs 1066223;1427153169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00024595 = 2.0045 BTC [-] 1066224;1427153198;mircea_popescu;real transylvanians have their tuna canned in hard cream! 1066225;1427153223;indiancandy1;ni 1066226;1427153225;indiancandy1;no btw 1066227;1427153228;indiancandy1;tuna is canned in 1066228;1427153232;indiancandy1;oil or brine or water 1066229;1427153243;punkman;http://www.interaltus.ee/img/284153615.JPG 1066230;1427153246;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cjs0mg ) 1066231;1427153249;brendafdez;mircea_popescu here http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-am-not-a-white-nationalist/ 1066232;1427153250;assbot;"Why I am not a white nationalist" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cjs3yp ) 1066233;1427153250;punkman;has to be olive 1066234;1427153271;mircea_popescu;ahaha flattering, but it's only a model. 1066235;1427153339;mircea_popescu;shit that was a long article. almost as long as the dong. 1066236;1427153381;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065536 1066237;1427153381;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 19:46:26; nubbins`: "do you have a card?" "no" "....." 1066238;1427153395;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1066239;1427153409;nubbins`;have had happen, it's embarassing. 1066240;1427153452;mircea_popescu;mp often turns and goes "give him a card" like he's teh baws of it all. 1066241;1427153486;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065551 << thing is, i'm not so invested in being remembered by my card. 1066242;1427153486;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 19:51:37; ascii_field: but most of all, memorable 1066243;1427153522;nubbins`;name's more memorable 1066244;1427153542;nubbins`;every nose that's wrinkled in disgust at our business name is a nose that'll remember it 1066245;1427153564;mircea_popescu;"i always remember not to order from these weirdos" 1066246;1427153592;mircea_popescu;"you said you want an escort ?" "yes. but not pink lips studios! I HAVE TRIGGERS" 1066247;1427153601;nubbins`;heh 1066248;1427153622;nubbins`;should be a fun summer for us this year 1066249;1427153627;nubbins`;big competition is changing hands 1066250;1427153638;mircea_popescu;(for a while highschool convention on "who's going" was... wearing pink lipstick. then tattoos got started.) 1066251;1427153716;mircea_popescu;i sort-of wonder what kids do today 1066252;1427153719;mircea_popescu;prolly an app huh. 1066253;1427153739;nubbins`;yeah 1066254;1427153743;nubbins`;sextogram or something 1066255;1427153769;mircea_popescu;seems reasonable. "if can't find her naked pics anywhere, no point bothering with her" 1066256;1427153774;nubbins`;the fact that the competition is changing hands, incidentally, is made slightly more interesting by the fact that pascale is precisely half of the employee list of the competition 1066257;1427153783;nubbins`;8) 1066258;1427153792;mircea_popescu;"big" === "two employees" ? 1066259;1427153817;nubbins`;3-4 1066260;1427153822;mircea_popescu;you're just a bunch of weird bored middle class dudes in a cul de sac somewhere pretending to be printing in between wife swappings aren;t you. 1066261;1427153827;nubbins`;heh. 1066262;1427153843;nubbins`;send me $100 and a mailing address 1066263;1427153854;mircea_popescu;lol 1066264;1427153875;mircea_popescu;sort-of like dallas and stuff of the era. "now you're married to her and running this company. ok, now she moves on to him, and the company to him, etc" 1066265;1427153906;mircea_popescu;what was it, the seinfeld contemporaneous thing 1066266;1427153912;mircea_popescu;melrose place. 1066267;1427154028;nubbins`;all play and no work makes a tv drama 1066268;1427154045;nubbins`;anyway, even two printers can pump out a massive volume of shirts 1066269;1427154049;indiancandy1;gosh 1066270;1427154073;nubbins`;"big competition" total incoming/outgoing maybe 900btc/year 1066271;1427154083;mircea_popescu;yeah indiancandy1 why don't you live like that ? find some nice boring guys to get spitroasted by. 1066272;1427154099;indiancandy1;im a shit gold digger 1066273;1427154104;indiancandy1;i cnt sleep with ugly rich guys 1066274;1427154107;indiancandy1;else i would 1066275;1427154108;mircea_popescu;why not ?! 1066276;1427154110;indiancandy1;n not be broke 1066277;1427154111;indiancandy1;i duno 1066278;1427154114;indiancandy1;if fucks with my head man 1066279;1427154119;mircea_popescu;that's thje idea. 1066280;1427154121;indiancandy1;coz i met plenty 1066281;1427154127;indiancandy1;i never met a hot rich guy who aint a player 1066282;1427154134;mircea_popescu;duh. 1066283;1427154137;indiancandy1;lol 1066284;1427154139;indiancandy1;why duh 1066285;1427154150;mircea_popescu;obviously a hot rich guy isn't going to monogamy. 1066286;1427154211;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1066287;1427154222;mircea_popescu;til nubbins` is ugly. 1066288;1427154224;indiancandy1;exactly 1066289;1427154227;indiancandy1;i met ugly rich guys 1066290;1427154230;indiancandy1;who wanna settle 1066291;1427154231;indiancandy1;i cnt do it 1066292;1427154234;indiancandy1;nasty ofos 1066293;1427154235;indiancandy1;mofos 1066294;1427154246;mircea_popescu;well you settle for a little. 1066295;1427154285;indiancandy1;huh 1066296;1427154288;indiancandy1;i kno 1066297;1427154289;indiancandy1;i swear 1066298;1427154292;indiancandy1;i wish i could 1066299;1427154292;indiancandy1;man 1066300;1427154295;indiancandy1;i hate myself 1066301;1427154330;mircea_popescu;this seems to be a theme here. but i thought only guys did it. 1066302;1427154350;brendafdez;hating themselves? 1066303;1427154353;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1066304;1427154366;indiancandy1;lol 1066305;1427154367;mircea_popescu;(obv. im being facetious. you know this, but the guys themselves don't. ) 1066306;1427154377;indiancandy1;do you hate yourself 1066307;1427154381;mircea_popescu;me ? nah. 1066308;1427154399;mircea_popescu;i let others do the hard work. 1066309;1427154456;indiancandy1;no one hates you 1066310;1427154459;indiancandy1;why would they 1066311;1427154465;indiancandy1;u a big softy 1066312;1427154476;brendafdez;because he says ugly turths 1066313;1427154500;indiancandy1;who owns woodcoin 1066314;1427154502;mircea_popescu;brendafdez more "because he seems to know it hurts and be amused by the circumstance" 1066315;1427154520;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 i own some! but otherwise, funkenstein 1066316;1427154531;indiancandy1;any goodd? 1066317;1427154534;mircea_popescu;neah. 1066318;1427154663;indiancandy1;mircea 1066319;1427154672;indiancandy1;kefatch 1066320;1427154678;indiancandy1;aahahah sorry 1066321;1427154685;indiancandy1;im tryna learn romanian 1066322;1427154695;mircea_popescu;ce faci :p 1066323;1427154814;indiancandy1;wat u doing babes 1066324;1427154825;mircea_popescu;reading, mostly. 1066325;1427154833;indiancandy1;about 1066326;1427154848;mircea_popescu;the article with the penis brendafdez linked above. 1066327;1427154862;mircea_popescu;it's pretty fucking stupid, i dunno why i keep doing this thing where i comment on some idiot's rants. 1066328;1427154873;brendafdez;i don't multithread, if I'm here I'm just here, reading the channel. 1066329;1427154878;mircea_popescu;sure, gets in some good points from the side, but the deluge of dumb brings the whole thing down. 1066330;1427154891;mircea_popescu;brendafdez im also eating chocolatebananaraisin with san juan. 1066331;1427154906;indiancandy1;whats san juan 1066332;1427154914;brendafdez;chocolatebananaraisin? sounds good... i guess 1066333;1427154919;indiancandy1;WHAT is that 1066334;1427154927;nubbins`;i'll never be ugly 1066335;1427154928;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 this local cognac thing. pretty good 1066336;1427154937;indiancandy1;its alcohol 1066337;1427154945;mircea_popescu;nubbins` to your credit, i thought you were way fatter than the cats show. 1066338;1427154950;indiancandy1;whats the chocolateraisin a donut 1066339;1427154973;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 no the actual ingredients. a bag of pasas de uva. a bag of la pinocha. a banana. 1066340;1427154992;indiancandy1;i wish i knew what u were talking about 1066341;1427155000;indiancandy1;im not from argentina not familiar bro 1066342;1427155005;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 anyway, why not study to be a nurse ? it pays well. 1066343;1427155012;indiancandy1; my moms a nurse 1066344;1427155016;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i'm comely when supine 1066345;1427155021;indiancandy1;she is a gum nurse 1066346;1427155026;mircea_popescu;you'll still be catering to ugly old schmoes, but at least this tiem have a good pretext. 1066347;1427155030;nubbins`;you should see me on top ;/ 1066348;1427155031;indiancandy1;sexual health 1066349;1427155037;mircea_popescu;plus if you suck a cock once in a blue moon you'll be popular as all hell. 1066350;1427155044;indiancandy1;nurses dont get paid good in the uk 1066351;1427155052;mircea_popescu;srsly ?! 1066352;1427155055;nubbins`;but at least the meds are cheap 1066353;1427155058;indiancandy1;around 1200 gbp 1066354;1427155063;indiancandy1;for 5days a week 1066355;1427155063;mircea_popescu;no fucking way ?! 1066356;1427155074;mircea_popescu;they make easily twice that in the us. 1066357;1427155080;indiancandy1;1200 pounds a month 1066358;1427155087;indiancandy1;yea but healthcare isnt free in usa 1066359;1427155089;indiancandy1;like here 1066360;1427155098;nubbins`;free isn't free 8) 1066361;1427155106;indiancandy1;maybe private health care nurse make more 1066362;1427155108;brendafdez;hahah was going to say that, no free lunch 1066363;1427155112;indiancandy1;but my mom is sexual health clinic 1066364;1427155115;indiancandy1;so thats free 1066365;1427155121;mircea_popescu;what's she do there ? 1066366;1427155182;indiancandy1;shes a nurse for sexual health 1066367;1427155187;indiancandy1;for ladies 1066368;1427155204;indiancandy1;so like check the vagina you kknow 1066369;1427155209;indiancandy1;for sexual diseases 1066370;1427155213;indiancandy1;but they changed the system 1066371;1427155223;indiancandy1;before the nurse had 2 do swabs herself on the patient 1066372;1427155242;indiancandy1;but now its a cotton bud u insert urself in toilet and then put it in the tube 1066373;1427155243;mircea_popescu;btw, ask her what's the similarity between a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog. 1066374;1427155256;indiancandy1;then 1066375;1427155263;indiancandy1;there is a machine that does all the work now 1066376;1427155274;indiancandy1;so before they had to do the swabs and all but now no just blood test 1066377;1427155286;indiancandy1;i duno about the seriose diseases how they work with that 1066378;1427155288;indiancandy1;i dont ask 1066379;1427155290;indiancandy1;like hiv etc 1066380;1427155324;brendafdez;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206613/Chinese-hospitals-introduce-hands-free-automatic-sperm-extractor-donors-play-videos-help.html 1066381;1427155327;assbot;Chinese hospitals introduce hands-free automatic 'sperm extractor' for donors (that even play videos to 'help') | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/18TGopI ) 1066382;1427155358;mircea_popescu;the country of cheap hand labour. oh, how the mighthy have fallen. 1066383;1427155388;indiancandy1;i like ur name 1066384;1427155392;indiancandy1;pierre rochard 1066385;1427155397;indiancandy1;exotic sounds like a disney character 1066386;1427155466;indiancandy1;mp 1066387;1427155475;indiancandy1;u need to get on instagram yo 1066388;1427155481;trinque;loooool 1066389;1427155483;brendafdez;lol 1066390;1427155492;mircea_popescu;why ? 1066391;1427155498;brendafdez;it even has rounded crners, dont ask 1066392;1427155509;indiancandy1;its fun 1066393;1427155518;indiancandy1;what has rounded corners 1066394;1427155522;indiancandy1;the sperm donor thing 1066395;1427155524;brendafdez;instagram 1066396;1427155547;indiancandy1;okay 1066397;1427155547;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4da22b1f1235a8e2146a52f24352e900/tumblr_meo80dycba1rsltkro1_1280.jpg 1066398;1427155548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18TGH3Z ) 1066399;1427155562;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 what do you mean "it's fun" 1066400;1427155575;indiancandy1;her ipples 1066401;1427155580;indiancandy1;nipples look fucked 1066402;1427155582;indiancandy1;the older lady 1066403;1427155595;indiancandy1;i hate nipples like that 1066404;1427155596;brendafdez;he ventured into twitter and things didn't end well... someone got death threats and stuff 1066405;1427155600;indiancandy1;look like they been slapped on 1066406;1427155606;indiancandy1;but the other girl looks sexy 1066407;1427155619;mircea_popescu;eh stop being so critical. 1066408;1427155644;mircea_popescu;brendafdez ftr, my twitter account is from before o'reilly discovered bitcoin / created a house "expert". 1066409;1427155656;mircea_popescu;but it's been abandoned longer than used, because well... the platform's retarded. 1066410;1427155678;indiancandy1;i got better nipples obvios 1066411;1427155691;trinque;mircea_popescu: if it's the same handle as IRC, got suspended 1066412;1427155703;brendafdez;he has another one unused 1066413;1427155704;brendafdez;i think 1066414;1427155719;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah that one. 2009 iirc 1066415;1427155731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00025426 = 4.9708 BTC [+] {2} 1066416;1427155737;mircea_popescu;because at the time all the fuckable ro chicks were like "mp, come on twitter, its fun" 1066417;1427155751;brendafdez;hahahahaha :) instagram is tha future 1066418;1427155760;mircea_popescu;yeah, the future of flies. 1066419;1427155812;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 so when are you coming to argentina ? find yourself a nice brazillian bf, etc ? 1066420;1427155821;indiancandy1;when you sponsor me 1066421;1427155835;indiancandy1;can i stay at our house 1066422;1427155839;indiancandy1;your|* 1066423;1427155866;mircea_popescu;well you could but then you'll hafta do all sorts of things. 1066424;1427155966;indiancandy1;like get you drunk 1066425;1427155969;indiancandy1;take you clubbing 1066426;1427155973;indiancandy1;be ur wing man 1066427;1427155975;indiancandy1;:D 1066428;1427155998;mircea_popescu;lol. not at first. 1066429;1427156009;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/7eaa07042c70a1a985dc05680728852b/tumblr_nfbv4oVaSc1u09k11o1_1280.jpg << lol, blanke schande. 1066430;1427156010;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtkHNS ) 1066431;1427156066;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1066432;1427156073;mircea_popescu;you gotta get in the wot already yo. 1066433;1427156086;mircea_popescu;why let everyone think beauty and brains don't mix ? 1066434;1427156158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00025524 = 3.5478 BTC [+] 1066435;1427156200;indiancandy1;i need to 1066436;1427156202;brendafdez;Bc it gives hope to those of us who are ugly, or doesn't it work like that? Ok, now i don't even want to know... ;) 1066437;1427156206;indiancandy1;but i need help 1066438;1427156211;indiancandy1;can u teach me how 1066439;1427156292;indiancandy1;......... 1066440;1427156299;indiancandy1;waites 1066441;1427156341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00025605 = 4.0456 BTC [+] {2} 1066442;1427156448;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin above MtGox $266 high 2 years on" http://bitbet.us/bet/1126/ Odds: 61(Y):39(N) by coin, 74(Y):26(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.44595505 BTC. Current weight: 42,774. 1066443;1427156707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0002489 = 2.6383 BTC [-] 1066444;1427156947;mircea_popescu;!h 1066445;1427156947;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1066446;1427156967;mircea_popescu;see that indiancandy1 where it says "first steps in bitcoin assets" 1066447;1427157017;indiancandy1;nope 1066448;1427157022;indiancandy1;where should i look 1066449;1427157027;mircea_popescu;on the left. 1066450;1427157073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00024899 = 5.1541 BTC [+] {2} 1066451;1427157202;indiancandy1;i cant find it 1066452;1427157211;mircea_popescu;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets/ < 1066453;1427157212;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Otojjb ) 1066454;1427157265;indiancandy1;all this text 1066455;1427157269;indiancandy1;giving me head ake 1066456;1427157270;indiancandy1;LOL 1066457;1427157275;nubbins`;zzzz 1066458;1427157307;indiancandy1;dont be rude 1066459;1427157310;indiancandy1;nubins 1066460;1427157312;indiancandy1;about zzz 1066461;1427157325;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/36085/what-are-the-arguments-for-and-against-the-increase-of-the-block-size-limit << check it out lol. 1066462;1427157326;assbot;scalability - What are the arguments for and against the increase of the block size limit? - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtoF9q ) 1066463;1427157401;brendafdez;i was asked to translate a piece of utter stupudity about "btc scalability" for a certain website. I'm making $30 on this but it sucks. 1066464;1427157409;brendafdez;having to translate braindamage 1066465;1427157424;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is murch, other than a guy with a skin rash, which he imagines comes from reading stuf online rather than from poor hygiene 1066466;1427157434;indiancandy1;wow 1066467;1427157434;mircea_popescu;sucks to be you i guess. 1066468;1427157438;indiancandy1;whose murch 1066469;1427157445;brendafdez;who? me? 1066470;1427157452;indiancandy1;ahahah 1066471;1427157533;mircea_popescu;brendafdez yeah you. 1066472;1427157549;indiancandy1;mp 1066473;1427157553;indiancandy1;when you booking my flight 1066474;1427157570;brendafdez;I don't think it sucks too badly, but maybe as compared to being mp... ;) 1066475;1427157606;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 a while after your tits are on the article, for sure. 1066476;1427157619;indiancandy1;which article 1066477;1427157640;brendafdez;hahah she refused the 0.1 BTC last time 1066478;1427157675;nubbins`;a whole dime 1066479;1427157677;nubbins`;!s dime 1066480;1427157678;assbot;88 results for 'dime' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dime 1066481;1427157683;indiancandy1;come on 1066482;1427157684;mircea_popescu;tough work eh. 1066483;1427157690;indiancandy1;my tits are worth more baby brenda 1066484;1427157702;mircea_popescu;it's supposed to be unappealing. that's what keeps you in your current rut. 1066485;1427157706;mircea_popescu;water in teh glass. 1066486;1427157719;nubbins`;heh 1066487;1427157730;nubbins`;clean glass? here y'go, your highness 1066488;1427157747;indiancandy1;youu lost me 1066489;1427157766;brendafdez;i wouldn't doubt it, indiancandy1, but I'd be more convinced if they were posted on trilema 1066490;1427157767;nubbins`;you should probably ctrl-c that 1066491;1427157784;indiancandy1;mp most my tits 1066492;1427157786;indiancandy1;on trilema 1066493;1427157793;indiancandy1;get them more famous 1066494;1427157805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7473 @ 0.00024547 = 1.8344 BTC [-] 1066495;1427157805;brendafdez;Now you're paying him 0.1 for it :P 1066496;1427157805;nubbins`;mine are on there 1066497;1427157832;indiancandy1;nubbins send url 1066498;1427157865;brendafdez;http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ 1066499;1427157866;assbot;I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0bs4I ) 1066500;1427157921;mircea_popescu;http://www.ofnumbers.com/2015/02/06/what-is-the-blockchain-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << Tim Swanson is making his own personal wot! confound this whole thing, who said independent minded texan has to kiss teh pinky pope ring!11 1066501;1427157922;assbot;What is the blockchain hard fork “missile crisis?†| Great Wall of Numbers ... ( http://bit.ly/18TJKZM ) 1066502;1427157965;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1066503;1427157986;indiancandy1;i like thr 3rd girls nipples 1066504;1427158022;mircea_popescu;;;seen sexysaffron 1066505;1427158022;gribble;sexysaffron was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 17 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: ok! 1066506;1427158041;indiancandy1;yes 1066507;1427158043;indiancandy1;i remember her 1066508;1427158049;indiancandy1;she did the utube vdeo 1066509;1427158051;mircea_popescu;fetish chick. 1066510;1427158052;indiancandy1;for 50dollars 1066511;1427158053;indiancandy1;or something 1066512;1427158181;indiancandy1;tits 4 30 dollars 1066513;1427158185;indiancandy1;hmmm 1066514;1427158236;brendafdez;http://i.imgur.com/rgzyJfv.jpg beat mine hands down? :3 I'm sure you do 1066515;1427158237;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Otrg35 ) 1066516;1427158237;mircea_popescu;lol you're too price driven. gotta be service driven to succeed, you're a woman after all. 1066517;1427158247;mircea_popescu;ask not what this produces for me, ask instead how i could best serve. 1066518;1427158292;mircea_popescu;brendafdez how does one beat tits ? 1066519;1427158297;mircea_popescu;i mean, metaphorically. 1066520;1427158330;indiancandy1;brenda 1066521;1427158332;indiancandy1;is that u 1066522;1427158334;indiancandy1;ur cute yo 1066523;1427158359;brendafdez; by havinf a more squishy pair i dunno. Yes, that's me. Not now, i downloaded it from somewhere, but still me :P 1066524;1427158380;indiancandy1;dont tel me 10years back 1066525;1427158383;indiancandy1;ur pretty girl 1066526;1427158393;brendafdez;no, like 1 year ago 1066527;1427158413;mircea_popescu;so earlier trinque dumps trinquette, now indiancandy1 finds true love in brendafdez... 1066528;1427158422;mircea_popescu;truely teh lord taketh, the lord giveth away. 1066529;1427158433;indiancandy1;ahahah 1066530;1427158440;indiancandy1;whose trinque 1066531;1427158442;indiancandy1;etc 1066532;1427158463;trinque;o/^ a time to be born; a time to die o/^ 1066533;1427158477;mircea_popescu;brb having my cock sucked again 1066534;1427158482;mircea_popescu;the first one didn't take. 1066535;1427158489;brendafdez;hah 1066536;1427158556;brendafdez;indiancandy1 he was the guy writing yesterday night about the issues with his wife/gf/something 1066537;1427158572;indiancandy1;this is 4 u mp 1066538;1427158575;indiancandy1;old pic 1066539;1427158576;indiancandy1;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1UU8sSdjP5w/UwyPfj_xJ-I/AAAAAAAABLM/DgfaV_zyRa4/s1600/A7YSCtZCIAAhltB.jpg 1066540;1427158577;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtswTQ ) 1066541;1427158591;indiancandy1;bdms 1066542;1427158593;indiancandy1;bdsm 1066543;1427158693;indiancandy1;im looking 4 recent 1066544;1427158697;indiancandy1;nipple pic 1066545;1427158757;brendafdez;you're top quality, i can't compete :) but I have picture with the mazagazine with lots of issues: https://www.titsforbitcoin.com/pics/s-38.jpg?1427158661 the background says what a slob I am... 1066546;1427158760;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ott3Fm ) 1066547;1427158860;indiancandy1;nice nail colur 1066548;1427158866;indiancandy1;ur pretty 1066549;1427158867;indiancandy1;babs 1066550;1427158871;indiancandy1;babes************ 1066551;1427158871;brendafdez;thx it's the same I have on now <3 1066552;1427158878;indiancandy1;dont forget u are fabulous 1066553;1427158896;thestringpuller;lol mircea_popescu we are desiging your fortress/palace with a trap to push niggas down 1066554;1427158907;thestringpuller;dat fall damage 1066555;1427158937;indiancandy1;brenda have u met mp 1066556;1427158941;indiancandy1;he lives near u 1066557;1427158954;brendafdez;supposedly we inhabit the same city 1066558;1427158986;trinque;thestringpuller: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110615180140/gameofthrones/images/1/18/Bronn_defeats_Vardis.jpg << eh? 1066559;1427158986;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OttH5N ) 1066560;1427159016;brendafdez;indiancandy but for sure, i was here first ;) 1066561;1427159069;thestringpuller;trinque: essentially 1066562;1427159109;*;asciilifeform opens crate with the ill-fated rngs (nominally - reworked) 1066563;1427159165;brendafdez;but maybe they were REALLY random and you couldn't appreciate their kind of randomness u.u poor little things 1066564;1427159472;brendafdez;I never had much success as to dating/sex/relationships, so I mostly learned languages through porn. One of my language learning resources for German back in 2007 was http://www.pantiesparadise.de/index.php i was an awesome place, and there was even another similar site, which must still be around. I never saw anything like this in English- or Spanish-land. There are som subreddits for used underwear and some girls sell theirs on eb 1066565;1427159474;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18TLJgP ) 1066566;1427159474;brendafdez;ay and such but nothing compares to PP and YP. And I have to wonder why during all these years nothing has emerged to occupy this space. 1066567;1427159612;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1066568;1427159623;indiancandy1;u learnt languages because of porn 1066569;1427159631;indiancandy1;that is classic statement 1066570;1427159635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00024547 = 2.5406 BTC [-] 1066571;1427159653;indiancandy1;http://pzy.be/v/2/Screenshot_2015-03-20-05-38-34.png 1066572;1427159654;assbot;PicsCrazy - simple image hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtvBTQ ) 1066573;1427159656;trinque;that's a better excuse than "for the story" 1066574;1427159659;indiancandy1;my tits 2days back 1066575;1427159668;brendafdez;through porn, nothing else works 1066576;1427159689;indiancandy1;damn 1066577;1427159713;brendafdez;indiancandy they are awesome <3 those tits. I feel guilty now that I made you start posting pics :) 1066578;1427159770;brendafdez;!up indiancandy1_ 1066579;1427159847;brendafdez;!up indiancandy1 1066580;1427159864;brendafdez;indiancandy1 indiancandy1_ now I'm confused... 1066581;1427159879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00023854 = 5.8442 BTC [-] {2} 1066582;1427159925;indiancandy1_;why 1066583;1427159936;brendafdez;bc there's two of you in chan 1066584;1427159940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00023527 = 1.5175 BTC [-] 1066585;1427159946;indiancandy1_;s there 1066586;1427159953;indiancandy1_;some loser is imposting me 1066587;1427159955;indiancandy1_;how gay 1066588;1427159976;indiancandy1_;some real sad fuckjer 1066589;1427159979;indiancandy1_;fucker 1066590;1427159980;brendafdez;How can we know which one is for real? care to gpg sign something? :P 1066591;1427159986;indiancandy1_;who can go suck his moms vagina 1066592;1427159992;brendafdez;no, now for real, didn't you register your username? 1066593;1427159999;indiancandy1_;no 1066594;1427160000;indiancandy1_;but u no 1066595;1427160003;indiancandy1_;this happens 2 m 1066596;1427160006;indiancandy1_;quite often 1066597;1427160014;indiancandy1_;i dont get the wot thing mircea talkin about 1066598;1427160016;asciilifeform;trinque: i forgot to ask, who is/was lena dunham ? 1066599;1427160017;indiancandy1_;its to complex 1066600;1427160023;asciilifeform;trinque: specifically as it pertains to the woman 1066601;1427160044;gabriel_laddel;indiancandy1_: read more 1066602;1427160044;gabriel_laddel;indiancandy1_: start at bitcoin-assets.com 1066603;1427160048;trinque;asciilifeform: lol, just the writer of HBO junk food 1066604;1427160052;brendafdez;You have to talk to NickServ and say register 1066605;1427160056;indiancandy1_;i cant 1066606;1427160060;indiancandy1_;it hurts my eyes 1066607;1427160061;indiancandy1_;lol 1066608;1427160064;asciilifeform;trinque: yes, i was able to discover that much. but why the emotion. 1066609;1427160110;brendafdez;first you register your username, then you start thinking about the wot 1066610;1427160144;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-03-2015#1055439 << http://imgur.com/SXdFiZx 1066611;1427160144;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 16:28:18; pete_dushenski: i'd never had a ball boy before and it. was. sweet. 1066612;1427160145;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Otxn7r ) 1066613;1427160156;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-pula-mea/ << scam 1066614;1427160157;assbot;NSFW - Pula mea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtxobH ) 1066615;1427160171;trinque;asciilifeform: see pm, and also that said person consider herself an artist 1066616;1427160221;indiancandy1_;huh 1066617;1427160488;indiancandy1_;brenda 1066618;1427160489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00023527 = 4.4584 BTC [-] 1066619;1427160494;indiancandy1_;why r u cominin on my name 1066620;1427160506;indiancandy1_;that is real lame 1066621;1427160511;indiancandy1_;i liked u b4 1066622;1427160541;gabriel_laddel;.furrybait 1066623;1427160542;gabriel_laddel;http://imgur.com/hUSTql1 1066624;1427160543;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtyFPU ) 1066625;1427160579;indiancandy1_;wtf 1066626;1427160627;trinque;indiancandy1_: not hard to register 1066627;1427160645;indiancandy1_;there is no pooint 1066628;1427160645;trinque;/msg nickserv register 1066629;1427160648;indiancandy1_;whatever like 1066630;1427160654;indiancandy1_;i dont get it 1066631;1427160658;gabriel_laddel;!down indiancandy1_ 1066632;1427160680;trinque;gabriel_laddel: sir you've blocked the influx of tits 1066633;1427160682;trinque;this is a cardinal sin 1066634;1427160689;brendafdez;indiancandy1_ just wanted to see if your nickname was actually squatted, it is. 1066635;1427160705;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I'm trying to teach her the WoT 1066636;1427160715;brendafdez;but you downed her :( 1066637;1427160718;gabriel_laddel;hit her over the head with it... perhaps she'll grok? 1066638;1427160725;gabriel_laddel;you can up her 1066639;1427160736;gabriel_laddel;I'm not going to do anything, just... read moar 1066640;1427160740;brendafdez;i'm the nowest one around, that might be a faux pas... 1066641;1427160751;trinque;having not done so, I'm aware of the lesson being taught 1066642;1427160752;trinque;yet... tits! 1066643;1427160780;trinque;!up indiancandy1_ 1066644;1427160786;indiancandy1_;:O 1066645;1427160786;trinque;indiancandy1_: register yo nick! 1066646;1427160793;indiancandy1_;i duno how to man 1066647;1427160796;indiancandy1_;i cant understand it 1066648;1427160799;trinque;indiancandy1_: that thing I said 1066649;1427160804;indiancandy1_;the site 1066650;1427160807;indiancandy1_;with the text 1066651;1427160811;indiancandy1_;i dont get it 1066652;1427160816;danielpbarron;indiancandy1_, what operating system is on your computer? 1066653;1427160836;indiancandy1_;windows 1066654;1427160838;brendafdez;danielpbarron you have to ask 1066655;1427160839;brendafdez;? 1066656;1427160846;danielpbarron;ok, first step is to remove windows 1066657;1427160851;indiancandy1_;y 1066658;1427160865;danielpbarron;i guess before you do that, prepare a flash drive with an installer for openbsd or gentoo or something 1066659;1427160866;gabriel_laddel;trinque: http://imgur.com/pNm3zxY 1066660;1427160867;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Otzx7l ) 1066661;1427160881;indiancandy1_;i cant not use windows yo 1066662;1427160898;danielpbarron;indiancandy1_, because winblows is insecure malware masquerading as an operating system 1066663;1427160914;danielpbarron;you are smart enough to keep coming back here 1066664;1427160917;danielpbarron;give yourself a little credit 1066665;1427160928;brendafdez;you're scaring her, let her register the nick before 1066666;1427160941;danielpbarron;well yeah, you can register nick with nickserv as you are now 1066667;1427160959;trinque;gabriel_laddel: already seen 'em 1066668;1427160965;indiancandy1_;daniel didnt even understand what u mean 1066669;1427160984;danielpbarron;winblows is bad 1066670;1427160997;trinque;danielpbarron: installing an OS is going to be too much at once 1066671;1427161006;indiancandy1_;but the other things are complex 1066672;1427161009;indiancandy1_;do you use apple 1066673;1427161011;danielpbarron;shouldn't take longer than 6 months to figure out :p 1066674;1427161038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00021571 = 3.7749 BTC [-] 1066675;1427161050;brendafdez;indiancandy1: Once you try linux, you come asking for more 1066676;1427161058;danielpbarron;indiancandy1_, no; there is more than just winblows and crapple 1066677;1427161081;indiancandy1_;you and your names 1066678;1427161100;indiancandy1_;i use my laptop for basic things thoigh 1066679;1427161105;indiancandy1_;browsing chating social media 1066680;1427161106;indiancandy1_;thats it 1066681;1427161113;danielpbarron;me too 1066682;1427161120;brendafdez;with windows your laptop uses you 1066683;1427161127;brendafdez;not just your laptop 1066684;1427161130;danielpbarron;so why do you use such a bloated complicated piece of garbage OS? 1066685;1427161141;indiancandy1_;whats OS? 1066686;1427161147;danielpbarron;operating system 1066687;1427161155;indiancandy1_;what do you recomend 1066688;1427161161;danielpbarron;gentoo or openbsd 1066689;1427161174;trinque;lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end 1066690;1427161175;trinque;SPLOOSH 1066691;1427161178;danielpbarron;openbsd has an autoinstaller but might not do everything you'd like 1066692;1427161184;indiancandy1_;okay will look into it 1066693;1427161194;trinque;indiancandy1_: it's literally as simple as what I typed 1066694;1427161199;trinque;IRC has commands which are preceded by slash 1066695;1427161200;indiancandy1_;literally i browse online 1066696;1427161204;indiancandy1_;i do cam shows 1066697;1427161206;trinque;msg sends a message to a name 1066698;1427161209;indiancandy1_;listen 2 music chat 1066699;1427161210;indiancandy1_;thats it 1066700;1427161213;danielpbarron;indiancandy1_, what web browser do you use? 1066701;1427161215;indiancandy1_;oh and i watch movies online 1066702;1427161219;trinque;/msg nickserv means send a message to nickserv 1066703;1427161219;indiancandy1_;chrome 1066704;1427161227;danielpbarron;chromium works flawless on gentoo 1066705;1427161229;danielpbarron;that's what i use 1066706;1427161239;indiancandy1_;why do you change the names 1066707;1427161239;danielpbarron;it's *better* on *nix than on winblows 1066708;1427161241;indiancandy1_;LOL 1066709;1427161249;danielpbarron;it's called chromium on linux 1066710;1427161254;trinque;danielpbarron: yeah I find that to be true as well 1066711;1427161258;brendafdez; trinque how do you comment the "/"? 1066712;1427161259;indiancandy1_;ahhh 1066713;1427161269;indiancandy1_;okay 1066714;1427161273;trinque;brendafdez: if you do two 1066715;1427161274;indiancandy1_;so im looking into gentoo 1066716;1427161278;brendafdez;thx 1066717;1427161278;indiancandy1_;i got windows 8 atm 1066718;1427161280;trinque;only necessary at the beginning 1066719;1427161290;danielpbarron;i can play youtube videos and do twitter / instagram / facebook / whatever 1066720;1427161305;indiancandy1_;and webcam? 1066721;1427161312;danielpbarron;haven't tried that 1066722;1427161314;brendafdez;no, linux is srs os, no webcam :P 1066723;1427161323;brendafdez;j/k 1066724;1427161329;danielpbarron;nobody wants to see my knockers 1066725;1427161349;indiancandy1_;lol 1066726;1427161350;indiancandy1_;i mean 1066727;1427161352;indiancandy1_;can u webcam 1066728;1427161357;indiancandy1_;like use it on skype etc 1066729;1427161365;danielpbarron;idk lemme try google hangouts i guess 1066730;1427161375;brendafdez;if you absolutely want to use skype, you can. All else you mention, you can. 1066731;1427161385;indiancandy1_;i do skype shows 1066732;1427161418;indiancandy1_;linux is good right 1066733;1427161434;brendafdez;Skype is rogue, I gather there are safe(r) ways to run it anyway. 1066734;1427161450;trinque;nsa gon get ya tits 1066735;1427161471;trinque;frankly a Ubuntu live cd is probably a more sensible first try 1066736;1427161482;trinque;make a stick with ubnetbootin or whatever 1066737;1427161482;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1066738;1427161484;brendafdez;it calls home and sends encrypted traffic even when idle, so you never know what it's doing. 1066739;1427161499;indiancandy1_;ubuntu is that a african tribe 1066740;1427161503;indiancandy1_;it sounds familiaer 1066741;1427161506;trinque;lol 1066742;1427161524;indiancandy1_;seriose 1066743;1427161530;brendafdez;my first distro was ubuntu-based, I wish I had started with something else 1066744;1427161538;BingoBoingo;Ubuntu is traditional African software, from Rhodesia 1066745;1427161544;danielpbarron;i can't in good conscience recommend nigbuntu 1066746;1427161557;danielpbarron;lol "ubuntu based" such meta 1066747;1427161561;indiancandy1_;rhodesia doesnt exist 1066748;1427161565;indiancandy1_;anymore 1066749;1427161568;indiancandy1_;its zambia 1066750;1427161570;danielpbarron;sadly :< 1066751;1427161587;trinque;I mean just to have something that boots to a thing with a mouse pointer 1066752;1427161591;trinque;"k, this is linux" 1066753;1427161610;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1_: It's still Rhodesia in my heart 1066754;1427161615;trinque;arch/gentoo/bsd ass torture later 1066755;1427161616;indiancandy1_;why 1066756;1427161620;indiancandy1_;you from there 1066757;1427161621;indiancandy1_;? 1066758;1427161630;brendafdez;torture as in enjoyable? 1066759;1427161631;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1_: Nah, just heard stories 1066760;1427161637;danielpbarron;it's really not so hard! 1066761;1427161659;trinque;brendafdez: gentoo quest is now boring for me, but sure 1066762;1427161674;trinque;rpg where you diddle nobs on an infinite wall forever 1066763;1427161681;brendafdez;I want to go the Arch way, never do 1066764;1427161697;danielpbarron;if you must compromise, debian is not yet systemd-ified 1066765;1427161706;indiancandy1_;bingo u lier 1066766;1427161713;indiancandy1_;u never heard no stories 1066767;1427161746;brendafdez;head is starting to ache, more coffee will do... 1066768;1427161752;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1_: I heard it was named after a dude who funded a bunch of scholarships. Don't see how there could be anything bad in that. 1066769;1427161789;*;asciilifeform misread 'google hangouts' as 'google handouts', almost fell down 1066770;1427161828;indiancandy1_;https://twitter.com/MYSADCAT 1066771;1427161830;assbot;WHY MY CAT IS SAD (@MYSADCAT) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/18TOQFE ) 1066772;1427161854;danielpbarron;well my webcam worked on ubuntu so it would probably work on gentoo if i recompiled my kernel to allow it 1066773;1427161867;indiancandy1_;is ur cam a plugin 1066774;1427161869;indiancandy1_;or inbuikt 1066775;1427161873;indiancandy1_;built* 1066776;1427161875;danielpbarron;it's built in 1066777;1427161879;indiancandy1_;same 1066778;1427161892;danielpbarron;that doesn't mean yours would work necessarily 1066779;1427161941;danielpbarron;i guess it wouldn't hurt to make an ubntu installer flash drive and use it to boot live and see if your hardware is supported by a linux kernel in general 1066780;1427161970;danielpbarron;do you have an old computer lying around that you can use as your offline machine? 1066781;1427161976;brendafdez;resisting the temptation to install it will be to much 1066782;1427161992;danielpbarron;well installing it would mean wiping out her winblows stuff 1066783;1427162031;brendafdez;she can always do dp ehhr... dual boot 1066784;1427162035;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Her big issue is supporting the cam tools. Ubuntu is probably going to be fine for the camera in general, Iffier for skype. Probably not possible for her to use all of the tools she could need for work on OpenBSD/Gentoo without going through hell and rewriting some of them. 1066785;1427162096;danielpbarron;lol so ubuntu is linux for girls 1066786;1427162119;trinque;and for white guilt 1066787;1427162124;brendafdez;I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like 1066788;1427162137;indiancandy1_;i have aa laptop 1066789;1427162140;indiancandy1_;i dont own pcs 1066790;1427162142;indiancandy1_;i got 2 laptops 1066791;1427162152;indiancandy1_;one samsung notebook thing 1066792;1427162158;indiancandy1_;and this hp touchscreen thing 1066793;1427162190;danielpbarron;i knew a chick that used ubuntu before i had given up windows completely, and she wasn't ugly either! looking back on it that was quite exceptional 1066794;1427162206;brendafdez;http://i.imgur.com/TQmHfIX.png 1066795;1427162207;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18TPgfb ) 1066796;1427162254;danielpbarron;lol 1066797;1427162269;danielpbarron;reminds me of the theo treatment 1066798;1427162281;trinque;attestation of female compliance lol 1066799;1427162289;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Oh, you emailed theo or what? 1066800;1427162290;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1066801;1427162293;trinque;"k now you can learn the handshake AND NEVER TELL ANYONE" 1066802;1427162311;danielpbarron;lol no! I mean this whole "we need you to affirm the following before we can continue" b.s. 1066803;1427162319;BingoBoingo;Ah 1066804;1427162328;brendafdez;I was also asked to please not keep a public archive, but I doubt they'll be letting me in 1066805;1427162332;trinque;you know, we're not a real cult until we have some brainwashing chant 1066806;1427162338;trinque;this girls linux club has one up on us 1066807;1427162363;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1_: If you like both laptops you have as they are you could get something like this to play with linux on http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=acer+aspire+pink&_frs=1 1066808;1427162366;assbot; acer aspire pink | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/18TPx1H ) 1066809;1427162397;*;BingoBoingo doesn't know of anywhere other than ebay that routinely sells interesting computers. 1066810;1427162443;danielpbarron;20 bucks for one of these things? what's the catch? 1066811;1427162494;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Looks like the auction just stated. also the description is rather blah 1066812;1427162501;BingoBoingo;On the $20 one 1066813;1427162548;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: To be fair the things were about $200 new 1066814;1427162648;danielpbarron;This aver pink laptop is used and is very slow and old. It would be great to use for replacement items or even for a starter laptop. It does work it's just slow. << I can live with slow 1066815;1427162679;BingoBoingo;I had a grey one passed it on to a younger brother. Ran ubuntu fine. Ran rather awesome with an SSD. 1066816;1427162726;Bagels7;Hi, Can I get a dime please. http://i.gyazo.com/bc55f87a2ad2dd0d5c222e3a0901d962.png 1066817;1427162728;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSjCLK ) 1066818;1427162744;brendafdez;should talk to mircea_popescu 1066819;1427162750;brendafdez;but I don't think that qualifies 1066820;1427162812;brendafdez;Bagels7 you have to write a code on them, which he will provide 1066821;1427162847;Bagels7;yes, I am aware 1066822;1427162880;brendafdez;Bagels7 your first time here? :) 1066823;1427162901;Bagels7;no, ive been lurking for months now 1066824;1427162947;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1066825;1427162951;gribble;Current Blocks: 348936 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1847 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 50 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50205188349.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.46537 1066826;1427162957;BingoBoingo;!t s.mpoe 1066827;1427162957;assbot;Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh? 1066828;1427162967;BingoBoingo;!t s.qntr 1066829;1427162967;assbot;You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey. 1066830;1427162978;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe 1066831;1427162978;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00021571 / 0.00025761 / 0.00028284 (1137196 shares, 292.95 BTC), 7D: 0.00021571 / 0.00029178 / 0.00033536 (17125866 shares, 4,997.13 BTC), 30D: 0.00021571 / 0.00035239 / 0.0004493 (82027201 shares, 28,905.83 BTC) 1066832;1427162987;BingoBoingo;!t m s.qntr 1066833;1427162987;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00021105 / 0.00026069 / 0.000301 (36659 shares, 9.56 BTC) 1066834;1427163085;Bagels7;[22:05] <+Bagels7> Hi, Can I get a dime please. http://i.gyazo.com/bc55f87a2ad2dd0d5c222e3a0901d962.png <<< Probably some sort of witchcraft 1066835;1427163086;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18TQ43I ) 1066836;1427163146;Bagels7;bad paste. [22:06] <+brendafdez> Bagels7 you have to write a code on them, which he will provide 1066837;1427163600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00022114 = 2.4104 BTC [+] 1066838;1427163661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26980 @ 0.00021745 = 5.8668 BTC [-] {3} 1066839;1427163692;danielpbarron;wow, ebay is completely unusable unless I turn off cookie whitelisting 1066840;1427163723;danielpbarron;lets me browse and think i'm logged in, and then hits me with a login page for any meaningful action like placing a bid or even asking a question to the seller 1066841;1427163834;danielpbarron;Probably some sort of witchcraft << the secret code was just the random string assigned by webchat -- not sure what it would be for someone not using webchat 1066842;1427163846;danielpbarron;maybe a shoe on head? or licking a hammer 1066843;1427163887;danielpbarron;i have placed a bid for 20 USD for a pink laptop 1066844;1427163906;brendafdez;use sniping 1066845;1427163909;brendafdez;placing bids is bad 1066846;1427163918;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron> lets me browse and think i'm logged in, and then hits me with a login page for any meaningful action like placing a bid or even asking a question to the seller << I find this typical. To be fair I'd rather it ask me to auth often and on actions. Ebay considered their auctions to be contracts. 1066847;1427163920;*;danielpbarron is ebay n00b 1066848;1427163959;danielpbarron;right but the extra special login WILL NOT WORK unless i disable cookie whitelisting 1066849;1427163976;danielpbarron;just keeps cycling me back to the login page 1066850;1427163982;BingoBoingo;Ah 1066851;1427164013;danielpbarron;i don't mind putting *.ebay.com on my whitelist; I do mind putting all the other crap 1066852;1427164342;danielpbarron;one of you girls who needs a linux training laptop should really outbid me on this pink thing 1066853;1427164358;danielpbarron;guy responded, sounds like there's nothing substantially wrong with the thing 1066854;1427164698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00021036 = 5.3642 BTC [-] 1066855;1427165682;BingoBoingo;scoopbot: -fetch 1066856;1427165697;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/empire-in-decline-us-retreats-from-yemen-isis-escalates-to-doxxing/ 1066857;1427165987;brendafdez;weird wording "members of the Armed Forces to limit information the personal information they leak on social media" 1066858;1427166039;BingoBoingo;fixed 1066859;1427166074;BingoBoingo;I think 1066860;1427166093;brendafdez;yep :) 1066861;1427166101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00021036 = 4.5227 BTC [-] 1066862;1427166155;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066689 << lol 1066863;1427166155;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 01:39:34; trinque: lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end 1066864;1427166166;mircea_popescu;i suspect they just want to see if the... buoys actually float. 1066865;1427166180;brendafdez;" It is hard to interpret " there seems to be a 'not' missing 1066866;1427166220;mircea_popescu;Special Forces soldier have been 1066867;1427166228;brendafdez;unless you mean people are clueless 1066868;1427166266;mircea_popescu;of dox ISIS included << comma before isis. 1066869;1427166268;asciilifeform;again the 'doxxing' idi0cy 1066870;1427166280;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so idiotic as all that. 1066871;1427166305;mircea_popescu;isis is pioneering the "before you can get voice, pick a name off this list and torture their children on cam" 1066872;1427166314;asciilifeform;what, it's a secret that mr x drops bombs for a living ? 1066873;1427166333;mircea_popescu;yes. 1066874;1427166340;BingoBoingo;thx, fxd 1066875;1427166353;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever -met- these folks ? 1066876;1427166357;asciilifeform;it takes all of 5 sec. 1066877;1427166360;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo there's a good idea somewhere in there but kinda mollase'd out. 1066878;1427166393;brendafdez;i thought you'd write "it's hard not to interpret...", but it's ok this way too i's say 1066879;1427166406;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't understand how the world works. people who meet us armed forces socially and people who are willing to write USG SATAN in 5yo guts, provided the 5yo was spawned by a private first class have virtually no overlap. 1066880;1427166424;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: yeah, but might be able to glue something with the molasses later. 1066881;1427166464;mircea_popescu;it boggles my mind that one has to be "allowed" to introduce a defense. 1066882;1427166467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0002133 = 4.074 BTC [+] {3} 1066883;1427166467;mircea_popescu;why even bother. 1066884;1427166492;asciilifeform;is there a 'you are biodiesel-on-the-hoof' defense? 1066885;1427166506;asciilifeform;(well, there is, but it isn't given in a court room) 1066886;1427166516;asciilifeform;wtf is it with this surrender idiocy anyway 1066887;1427166581;mircea_popescu;whose ? 1066888;1427166588;asciilifeform;snowden 1066889;1427166593;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1066890;1427166594;asciilifeform;or is it fictional 1066891;1427166604;asciilifeform;him 'wishing for fair trial' 1066892;1427166606;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did qntra eat my comment or they go to moderation or what ? 1066893;1427166636;mircea_popescu;seems more like self-wankery. "here's what we'd do to mila kunis if she knew who we were or cared" 1066894;1427166662;brendafdez;guys, I've seen gnome bashed security-wise a couple of times here in chan (or in the blogs, I'm not sure). What's so wrong with it? I'm really liking gnome-shell... 1066895;1427166678;brendafdez;But if there's something I should know, I'd rather do 1066896;1427166680;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066736 << booberbootin'. 1066897;1427166680;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 01:44:42; trinque: make a stick with ubnetbootin or whatever 1066898;1427166719;mircea_popescu;brendafdez http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-283/Gnome.html ? 1066899;1427166720;assbot;Gnome : Security vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTfb49 ) 1066900;1427166720;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Rescued the comment from the spamtrap 1066901;1427166736;mircea_popescu;"GNOME Shell 3.14.x before 3.14.1, when the Screen Lock feature is used, does not limit the aggregate memory consumption of all active PrtSc requests, which allows physically proximate attackers to execute arbitrary commands on an unattended workstation by making many PrtSc requests and leveraging a temporary lock outage, and the resulting temporary shell availability, caused by the Linux kernel OOM killer." 1066902;1427166738;mircea_popescu;sort of thing 1066903;1427166743;brendafdez;hmm 1066904;1427166822;mircea_popescu;it's just... not designed or implemented by people with an understanding of computing. 1066905;1427166844;mircea_popescu;GNOME Display Manager (gdm) before 2.21.1 allows local users to change permissions of arbitrary directories via a symlink attack on /tmp/.X11-unix/. << lulzier one. 1066906;1427166973;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is it because link ? 1066907;1427167022;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Probably. Maybe it was a combination of link and maybe your commented here before cookie expired? 1066908;1427167030;mircea_popescu;mebbe 1066909;1427167060;BingoBoingo;I know you've fallen from *approved* to pending before. 1066910;1427167072;mircea_popescu;such faet. 1066911;1427167078;BingoBoingo;Sometimes cookies just get ate 1066912;1427167138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00021946 = 10.4682 BTC [+] {3} 1066913;1427167141;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066787 << does it revolve around the general principle that girls are dumb and boring ? 1066914;1427167141;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 01:55:24; brendafdez: I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like 1066915;1427167145;mircea_popescu;that's usually how this shit goes. 1066916;1427167186;mircea_popescu;affirm lol 1066917;1427167195;brendafdez;mircea_popescu I was just curious to see what it's like in a 'linux for girls' mailing list, but I think they won't let me in if I don'f affirm nicely enough 1066918;1427167214;asciilifeform;linux for girls << when do we get, e.g., non-ferrous metallurgy, 'for gurlz 1066919;1427167222;mircea_popescu;;;google valorie zimmerman tits 1066920;1427167222;gribble;Ingomar Wesp - Google+: ; How to Play "Valerie" by Amy Winehouse on Guitar - YouTube: ; Ken Randle | Facebook: 1066921;1427167242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean bonbons ? 1066922;1427167276;asciilifeform;just wondered why computing gets the treatment. 1066923;1427167292;asciilifeform;what'd it do to deserve. 1066924;1427167305;mircea_popescu;for some reason THIS dude pops up as the only result for valorie's tits : https://plus.google.com/101283637653265125298 1066925;1427167307;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/18TUYNX ) 1066926;1427167316;mircea_popescu;unremarkably, he's all about re-tweeting poettering on google twitter. 1066927;1427167337;brendafdez;¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1066928;1427167347;mircea_popescu;"My personal conclusion out of all this is mostly just that I don't want to have much to do with the worst offenders, and the communities they run. My involvement with the kernel community ended pretty much before it even started, I never post on LKML, and haven't done in years. Also, in our own project we are policying posts. We regularly put a few folks on moderation on the mailing list, and we will continue to do s 1066929;1427167347;mircea_popescu;o. Currently, the systemd community is fantastic, and I really hope we can keep it that way." 1066930;1427167359;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnWP2Emps1M << linked 1066931;1427167361;assbot;malfunction - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18TV2NS ) 1066932;1427167373;mircea_popescu;this incidentally is pretty true : i don't know that anyone sane would want anything to do with lennart and his horde of derps either. 1066933;1427167433;mircea_popescu;" have a thick skin (and so do most of the others involved in systemd, apparently), and I figure that plays a major role why we managed to bring systemd to success, despite all the pressure in the opposite direction. " 1066934;1427167450;asciilifeform;succ355 1066935;1427167475;mircea_popescu;ahaha. 1) systemd is not nor will it ever be successful. 2) systemd is a grease spot strictly because of the red hat drilling platform upstream. once that goes away, the whole set of fleas and their "successes" and "ideas" and choices and whatever also go away. 1066936;1427167496;asciilifeform;i thought rathead was more or less defunkt 1066937;1427167509;mircea_popescu;but i gotta appreciate the delusion. really, lennart thinks he's me ? cool. 1066938;1427167517;mircea_popescu;should be a fun thing to watch, this. 1066939;1427167522;[]bot;Bet created: "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ 1066940;1427167526;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, in the cisco way. 1066941;1427167538;asciilifeform;more like the ibm way 1066942;1427167546;mircea_popescu;defunct washington post/nytimes/libertard press spawned gawker. 1066943;1427167557;BingoBoingo;http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/23/gold-in-faeces-worth-millions-save-environment 1066944;1427167557;assbot;Gold in faeces 'is worth millions and could save the environment' | Science | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/18TVknX ) 1066945;1427167608;mircea_popescu;anyway, the ideological cleavage is pretty clear, and it will only resolve itself in time. 1066946;1427167647;asciilifeform;'we are policying posts' << ?@!?? 1066947;1427167651;[]bot;Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,999. 1066948;1427167655;mircea_popescu;d';oh. 1066949;1427167657;asciilifeform;what's 'policying' ? 1066950;1427167670;mircea_popescu;"If you are a newcomer to Linux, either grow a really thick skin. Or run away, it's not a friendly place to be in." << also do not be in linux. 1066951;1427167682;mircea_popescu;lol. and this is not his employer's agenda. this is just, you know, because reasons. 1066952;1427167684;mircea_popescu;these people. 1066953;1427167693;asciilifeform;'go fellate nsa directly, not through a hose' 1066954;1427167753;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's pretty well articulated. consider the way this place works : once anything can be said, people suddenly manage to find "representatives" of groups they thought they hated quite likable. this happens on a regular basis. 1066955;1427167780;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in idiot us discourse, because of all the "care" being "expended" to "protect", nobody can talk to anyone about anything, and as a result everyone hates everyone else for no reason. 1066956;1427167805;mircea_popescu;then they morally responsible for the cesspool turn around and accuse the pillars making sanity possible of... you know, "fish rots from the head" 1066957;1427167816;mircea_popescu;the reason chinese peasants are starving is not enough socialism, dontcha know. 1066958;1427167827;asciilifeform; happens on a regular basis << wai wat 1066959;1427167831;mircea_popescu;so fucking banal in its "cultural revolutionary war" rehash it's really hardly worth the mention. 1066960;1427167921;mircea_popescu;brendafdez turns out half the people in the google grup of "women interested in linux" are actulaly guys. 1066961;1427167971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think most recently it was "hey, this christian dude isn't all bad" 1066962;1427167980;asciilifeform;yes i recall. where else though 1066963;1427168020;mircea_popescu;i don't actually keep that well indexed a list of this score 1066964;1427168043;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: betcha 100% of it is 'goldschläger' ! 1066965;1427168071;mircea_popescu;prolly more comes from the 10-50mn gold teeth 1066966;1427168080;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Or the golden toilets at the local USG garisons erode 1066967;1427168102;BingoBoingo;Golden toilet may not be mere metaphore 1066968;1427168122;mircea_popescu;amusingly, n ceausescu was accused of this. people believed. 1066969;1427168133;asciilifeform;like yanukovich 1066970;1427168154;asciilifeform;and probably every 'tin dictator' of 20th c 1066971;1427168169;mircea_popescu;serves them right for ruling over a group dumb enough to believe that shit. 1066972;1427168185;mircea_popescu;somehow in the entire "must grow big fast" thing people omit to point out that well... you don't wanna rule over retards. 1066973;1427168205;asciilifeform;'we go to war with the army we have not the army we wish we had' (TM) 1066974;1427168222;mircea_popescu;nobody forced him to be president. 1066975;1427168232;asciilifeform;aha could've stayed shoemaker. 1066976;1427168232;mircea_popescu;walkers and generals have very little in common. 1066977;1427168254;brendafdez;mircea_popescu maybe the affirmation policying isn't being done right. Half the people in the fb lesbian dating groups are guys, too... 1066978;1427168280;mircea_popescu;hahaha wait wait. 1066979;1427168298;mircea_popescu;social justice warrior posing as transgender lesbian female to get cooch ? 1066980;1427168306;asciilifeform;'lesbian trapped in male body' 1066981;1427168308;asciilifeform;(tm) 1066982;1427168313;asciilifeform;(al schwartz) 1066983;1427168314;brendafdez;whatever works, not that that especially does 1066984;1427168318;mircea_popescu;i mean the entire "why do girls date assholes i have a great sense of humor she doesn't know what she's missing" beta lament is one thing 1066985;1427168321;mircea_popescu;but going THAT FAR ?! 1066986;1427168369;mircea_popescu;i like 69 as much as the next girl, but it never occured to me to pretend i'm a tupolev airplanewhile doing it. 1066987;1427168406;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform truely usia is engaged in the empirical demonstration of the ancient notion that perversity knows no bounds. 1066988;1427168432;asciilifeform;or schwartz's 'the titanic achivement of simultaneous boring -and- perverse' 1066989;1427168441;mircea_popescu;i wonder if i could get tenure with a program on illiteracy. 1066990;1427168447;mircea_popescu;you come study for 4 years how to be illiterate. 1066991;1427168458;asciilifeform;already baked in every major us uni 1066992;1427168463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all perversion is boring to the normally endowed. 1066993;1427168473;mircea_popescu;no but i mean, plainly said 1066994;1427168479;mircea_popescu;oh, that's a problem isn't it. shit. 1066995;1427168486;mircea_popescu;i just don't understand how the dumbworld works. 1066996;1427168498;asciilifeform;i had similar idea once - 1066997;1427168508;asciilifeform;come to antiuni to unlearn xxxx 1066998;1427168531;asciilifeform;then they carefully waltz it out of yer brain 1066999;1427168547;mircea_popescu;that was a chinese specialty. 1067000;1427168691;brendafdez;you know, the whole betu thing sucks, and somteimes the coping strategy could well be 'fuck it, i didn't even want it in the first place, I'd rather be a woman where bug becomes feature'. Dunno, just speculating, I hadn't given it much thought before. 1067001;1427168714;brendafdez;s/betu/beta/ 1067002;1427168718;mircea_popescu;doesn't work that way does it ? 1067003;1427168752;brendafdez;dunno, wouldn't go back either, this state of 'it not working' is much preferred to the previous state of 'it not working'. By orders of magnitude. 1067004;1427168767;mircea_popescu;preferred in the impersonal ? who prefers it ? 1067005;1427168779;brendafdez;me 1067006;1427168808;mircea_popescu;well maybe you miss the barn of a difference between "guy who is a girl because he prefers it" and "guy who claims to be a girl so as to [...]" 1067007;1427168822;mircea_popescu;causes an' purposes baby. 1067008;1427168828;brendafdez;;) 1067009;1427168842;brendafdez;I can't keep in memory every single article all the time 1067010;1427168896;mircea_popescu;pretty decent part of a play or something this. "so if i become a woman will my sex work ?" "no, it still won't work" "So then ?" "well maybe you like it not working this way better." 1067011;1427168937;brendafdez;Anyway, I don't think claiming it and presenting female so as to x would be a good strategy at all, if you don't prefer it, you'll end up changing your mind, because it's hard to put up with all the attached issues to being perceived a woman if you were only doing it for a specific purpose 1067012;1427168939;mircea_popescu;quite exactly mirroring the consumer computing market. "my windows computer doesn't fucking work" "switch to gentoo" "will it work then ?" "no, but maybe you like the icons better" 1067013;1427168952;mircea_popescu;brendafdez you ever seen daisy diamond ? 1067014;1427168963;brendafdez;nope 1067015;1427168979;mircea_popescu;well, other than the part that it has infanticide, maybe you should check it out. 1067016;1427169017;brendafdez;k 1067017;1427169038;BingoBoingo;More snowflaking http://jenmylo.com/2015/03/23/defending-drupal/ 1067018;1427169040;assbot;Defending Drupal | Jen Mylo, WordPress Cat Herder ... ( http://bit.ly/18TX0xx ) 1067019;1427169087;mircea_popescu;horrid fucking scheme omfg 1067020;1427169158;BingoBoingo;’ve given so many talks at WordCamps with a component about how it’s important to be nice, respectful, and welcoming — including the use of appropriate language and imagery — to the point that some people would really like to tell me to shut the fuck** up (or have!). 1067021;1427169177;brendafdez;mircea, in all honesty what wasn't working was life to the point I didn't want to go on (should've put an ad on gofundme but didn't occur to me). That was solved: social intereaction now is a whole different thing and it's much better. The fact that I still don't get to have the sex I like with the people I like is a minor issue compared to social interaction being broken as a whole. 1067022;1427169233;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "adrian pintilie" ? 1067023;1427169258;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/adrianpintilie << this guy. would be ro drupal shop 1067024;1427169260;assbot;Adrian Pintilie (@adrianpintilie) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/18TXcgc ) 1067025;1427169292;mircea_popescu;amusingly, i dun think he knows yet :D 1067026;1427169328;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Oh so a marginalized Romanian is being pissed on by an empowered evangalist of politeness for interacting with the world according to his culture. 1067027;1427169344;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1067028;1427169353;mircea_popescu;well... he's not marginalized. just marginal. 1067029;1427169377;mod6; /names 1067030;1427169380;mod6;oops 1067031;1427169406;gabriel_laddel;Regarding lesbians. The definitive work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY0VmahBTkE 1067032;1427169407;assbot;Sophomores - The Whitest Kids U'Know on IFC - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18TXm7B ) 1067033;1427169446;brendafdez;https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/578424272353300480 1067034;1427169448;assbot;OH MY GOSH YESKUBUNTU 15.04 BETA WHEN YOU RESTART HAS A COUNTDOWN TIMERTHAT COUNTS DOWN TO 0AND KEEPS GOING http://t.co/KXGwdILaxD 1067035;1427169480;mircea_popescu;runs a tiny "digital agency" in practicaly akron, romania 1067036;1427169480;mircea_popescu;http://www.listafirme.ro/softescu-srl-23226393/ 1067037;1427169481;assbot;SC SOFTESCU SRL din Bacau Bdul. Unirii 30, CUI 23226393 ... ( http://bit.ly/18TXofx ) 1067038;1427169502;mircea_popescu;one employee, 10-100k turnover a year sorta thing 1067039;1427169539;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah so the WordPress politeness is oppressing him. 1067040;1427169571;mircea_popescu;doubt anything but "why would anyone pay you to fuck up php, when php comes pre-fucked and if not indians will fuck it for 1/3 the price" opresses him. 1067041;1427169619;mircea_popescu;“You can feel good about our project without putting down other projects, so let’s keep it clean.” I said something similar << this, for the record, is fucking stupid. 1067042;1427169659;mircea_popescu;putting dumb shit down is not about "your project". it's about your environment. you put shit down for the same reason you don't keep dirty textiles everywhere 1067043;1427169679;mircea_popescu;which, obviously, these "cms geeks^H^H^H^H bums do keep. but anyway. 1067044;1427169820;BingoBoingo;Such is the peril of conflating a common interest into "community" 1067045;1427169840;mircea_popescu;if you don't do that, you stand at risk of being called a cult! 1067046;1427169861;mircea_popescu;nothing more intense, interesting or functional than this much is allowed!!! it would be bad. THINK OF THE CHILDREN 1067047;1427171652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00021254 = 3.7407 BTC [-] 1067048;1427172628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11199 @ 0.00021254 = 2.3802 BTC [-] 1067049;1427173604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29069 @ 0.00022317 = 6.4873 BTC [+] {3} 1067050;1427174885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00022705 = 5.4719 BTC [+] 1067051;1427174898;brendafdez;Ok, if gnome can't be trusted: I'll be switching to Bob. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpenYCIiDkM 1067052;1427174899;assbot;Happy 20th anniversary, Microsoft Bob - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwVfW1 ) 1067053;1427175014;brendafdez;It was the Metro interface back in 1995 1067054;1427175434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5718 @ 0.00022152 = 1.2667 BTC [-] 1067055;1427175446;trinque;brendafdez: here's another good one http://www.smartcomputing.com/images/smartcomputing/fullsize/393n1209.jpg 1067056;1427175448;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwXit4 ) 1067057;1427175469;trinque;emulates a real tabbed binder for enhanced usability 1067058;1427175544;trinque;http://reeseriverson.com/rriverson/pics/IMG_3373-800px.jpg 1067059;1427175547;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwXzfK ) 1067060;1427175749;mircea_popescu;!up marteen 1067061;1427175770;brendafdez;Well, my first computer was a Pentium 100 Mhz with 8 MB RAM that my parents bought in 1996, I stayed with that thing until 2005 or so. For many years that meant that I used DOS and Win3.11 daily bc W98 was too much for that piece of hardware. Once around 1999/2000 I borrowed from a friend a linux book which came with a Red Hat CD but dual booting was not an option (also the HDD was like 500 MB). It brings back memories seeing those in 1067062;1427175770;brendafdez;s, which I spent many years of my childhood with. 1067063;1427175804;marteen;thanks mircea_popescu :) 1067064;1427175811;mircea_popescu;sure. 1067065;1427175823;marteen;I shouldn't be awake for longer than 30 minutes :) 1067066;1427175862;mircea_popescu;looking at those pics... god almighty has the "visual" aka "graphical" interface been a dead fucking end omfg. 1067067;1427175875;trinque;utterly pointless 1067068;1427175881;brendafdez;Click on the dog, now click on want to change something, now... 1067069;1427175917;mircea_popescu;swipe right to have sex with this dog 1067070;1427175934;trinque;your mail's up his ass; he ate it 1067071;1427175963;brendafdez;you can buy an expansion pack for $29.99 to get more dogs to have sex with, don't forget to mail your registration card 1067072;1427176037;ben_vulpes; i dont get the wot thing mircea talkin about << righteous 1067073;1427176058;trinque;http://e.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/fastcompany/imagecache/inline-large/inline/2013/09/3017236-inline-ibooks-publishing0.jpg << what, 20 years later? 1067074;1427176059;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwZAbH ) 1067075;1427176065;mircea_popescu;ba is so ecclectic. 1067076;1427176084;ben_vulpes;marteen, eh? 1067077;1427176086;ben_vulpes;howdy, you 1067078;1427176088;brendafdez;but they removed the dog... 1067079;1427176093;mircea_popescu;that url scheme looks like it's channeling django the drupal dog. 1067080;1427176107;brendafdez;and invented a nice skeumorphic word for it 1067081;1427176144;marteen;ben_vulpes: hello! 1067082;1427176151;ben_vulpes;oh god this ubuntu from africa thread 1067083;1427176153;ben_vulpes;priceless 1067084;1427176167;ben_vulpes;look at the boys trying to gently inculcate sense into her 1067085;1427176185;mircea_popescu;it goes on for a while. 1067086;1427176233;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Rye-New-Hampshire.html 1067087;1427176234;assbot;Registered sex offenders in Rye, New Hampshire - crimes listed, registry-based, living in this city ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0fKa ) 1067088;1427176258;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066787 << why not? 1067089;1427176258;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 01:55:24; brendafdez: I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like 1067090;1427176262;mircea_popescu;holy shit, eight towns nobody heard about in a state that's barely extant, thousands of sex offenders ? 1067091;1427176263;ben_vulpes;marteen: what brings you around here? 1067092;1427176271;mircea_popescu;how many are there in total by now ? 1mn ? 10 mn ? 1067093;1427176273;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: everyone's a sex offender in the states. 1067094;1427176279;mircea_popescu;it seems so 1067095;1427176289;ben_vulpes;piss in public - sex offender 1067096;1427176294;brendafdez;ben_vulpes bc see this http://i.imgur.com/TQmHfIX.png 1067097;1427176295;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0uVB ) 1067098;1427176295;marteen;ben_vulpes: i saw a reference to this channel on a mailing list 1067099;1427176296;mircea_popescu;pissing is sex ? 1067100;1427176306;ben_vulpes;it actually comes down to the "fight me and see" attitude of the attorneys 1067101;1427176310;brendafdez;marteen which list? mine? 1067102;1427176311;brendafdez;:P 1067103;1427176315;marteen;brendafdez: yes 1067104;1427176318;brendafdez;wow 1067105;1427176322;ben_vulpes;plea bargin for sex offender or fight us for your life 1067106;1427176323;trinque;also penises are illegal, they just have to find something else to say 1067107;1427176330;mircea_popescu;John P. Mcsheehan 1067108;1427176330;mircea_popescu;Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03 1067109;1427176330;mircea_popescu;Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03 1067110;1427176330;mircea_popescu;Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03 1067111;1427176330;mircea_popescu;Crime: 3 counts of felonious sexual assault(victim 13 or older & under 16 & age diff more than 3 years), 1067112;1427176336;mircea_popescu;3 counts, because the girl was 15. 1067113;1427176348;mircea_popescu;very odd counting. 1067114;1427176368;ben_vulpes;no trigger plz 1067115;1427176379;ben_vulpes;this triggers my america ptsd 1067116;1427176381;ben_vulpes;plz stahp 1067117;1427176396;ben_vulpes;can it be ptsd if i'm still living the nightmare? 1067118;1427176397;mircea_popescu;anyway, turns out i misread the data. it's "residents per sex offender". 1067119;1427176409;mircea_popescu;so basically... two guys, 5k pop -> 2l 1067120;1427176416;ben_vulpes;!gettrust assbot marteen 1067121;1427176416;assbot;marteen is not registered in WoT. 1067122;1427176423;ben_vulpes;marteen, you savvy gpg? 1067123;1427176424;marteen;brendafdez: i've been lurking there for a little while :) 1067124;1427176430;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it'd be dtsd. 1067125;1427176453;marteen;ben_vulpes: sure 1067126;1427176461;ben_vulpes;marteen: get in the wot then, eh? 1067127;1427176462;marteen;ben_vulpes: I don't know what WoT is though :( 1067128;1427176474;ben_vulpes;dtsd << makes me think of that eegan story asciilifeform 1067129;1427176476;ben_vulpes;linked a bit back 1067130;1427176478;ben_vulpes;!help 1067131;1427176478;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1067132;1427176487;brendafdez;marteen they say 6 months is the bare minimum :P 1067133;1427176488;ben_vulpes;oh god now i'm getting spammed by bots 1067134;1427176496;ben_vulpes;trinque: plz to not overload !help 1067135;1427176516;trinque;ben_vulpes: wut 1067136;1427176519;brendafdez;marteen who are you in the list? 1067137;1427176521;ben_vulpes;yous ay it 1067138;1427176527;trinque;!help 1067139;1427176527;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1067140;1427176531;trinque;lol 1067141;1427176537;ben_vulpes;hyuuu 1067142;1427176540;marteen;brendafdez: hhmm, I'm not sure I've been there for that long... 1067143;1427176552;marteen;brendafdez: I've never sent anything, just read 1067144;1427176555;trinque;yeah I'll change that 1067145;1427176566;ben_vulpes;marteen: basically it's a gpg-backed ident thinger 1067146;1427176575;ben_vulpes;nobody's going to take you seriously until you buy in 1067147;1427176586;*;marteen readin about the wot... 1067148;1427176588;ben_vulpes;brendafdez is that weird chick from ba 1067149;1427176591;marteen;ben_vulpes: I see, thanks :) 1067150;1427176598;ben_vulpes;whereas indiancandy is just that hilarious hoo-er 1067151;1427176614;ben_vulpes;difference being... 1067152;1427176626;brendafdez;she has better looking tits 1067153;1427176638;ben_vulpes;that's your insecurity speaking. 1067154;1427176641;ben_vulpes;no, wot participation. 1067155;1427176651;brendafdez;;) 1067156;1427176653;ben_vulpes;we all know how the bsasians are about their 'security' 1067157;1427176726;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066829 << is this a new one? 1067158;1427176726;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 02:09:27; assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey. 1067159;1427177284;brendafdez;maarten your IP shows you might be located in Mendoza, that's interesting, I there not long ago, with Sebastián Serrano and others, and we had a couple of presentations and a meetup. Do I know you? 1067160;1427177322;marteen;brendafdez: yes, I'm from Mendoza 1067161;1427177335;marteen;brendafdez: but, I'm afraid we don't know each other :( 1067162;1427177364;marteen;brendafdez: I think I know which events you mention, but I couldn't not attend 1067163;1427177386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16151 @ 0.00020765 = 3.3538 BTC [-] 1067164;1427177413;ben_vulpes;then you must've been there! 1067165;1427177415;brendafdez;We need more sponsors to keep doing that hah, we had a couple for that trip, still didn't even break even 1067166;1427177465;marteen;ben_vulpes: heh, sorry, I meant "I could not" :P 1067167;1427177481;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i give up, how are a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog the same? 1067168;1427177536;marteen;(it seems I couldn't decide between "I couldn't" and "I could not" :P) 1067169;1427177578;brendafdez;marteen do you use irc often? I was pretty much a virgin before getting into b-a. You could go to the #freenode channel and ask for a cloak, so not everyone will see your IP. Also, you might be interested in registering your username with NickServ so it doesn't get squatted like indiancandy1_ 's 1067170;1427177598;brendafdez;!up marteen 1067171;1427177641;marteen;brendafdez: oh, I've been using irc for a while :) 1067172;1427177672;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/four-new-jersey-schools-infected-by-ransomware/ 1067173;1427177673;marteen;brendafdez: my username has been registered for a few years 1067174;1427177673;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064798 << oh come now it's because your salesforce is down there and sales is nasty dirty work programmer folk hate to do. 1067175;1427177673;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 07:55:57; trinque: all my money's coming from tejas; there's a reason for that 1067176;1427177717;marteen;brendafdez: thanks a lot anyway :) 1067177;1427177728;trinque;ben_vulpes: I was pissed 1067178;1427177742;trinque;nbd 1067179;1427177743;ben_vulpes;in more ways than one 1067180;1427177760;trinque;ayep 1067181;1427177910;brendafdez;marteen pretty nice to have a fellow list member over here. Were you reading the list in 2013? It was a space of sane and interesting discussion which has since been lost. That's why I mentioned b-a in my message, bc I htink some of the oldtimers might be interested. Also, we used to have wences and rdponticelli, both of them were also here back in the day. 1067182;1427177935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6982 @ 0.00021108 = 1.4738 BTC [+] 1067183;1427177944;marteen;;;gpg eregister marteen 050434ED71A1704C 1067184;1427177946;gribble;Request successful for user marteen, hostmask marteen!~martin@190.113.141.247. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/050434ED71A1704C 1067185;1427177974;ben_vulpes;marteen, you'll want to register with assbot for this crowd. 1067186;1427177981;marteen;brendafdez: nope, back in 2013 I had no idea the list existed 1067187;1427177987;brendafdez;!h 1067188;1427177987;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1067189;1427178039;marteen;brendafdez: well, I'm glad I came to this channel then :) 1067190;1427178039;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064878 << all hail the holy cunt 1067191;1427178039;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 08:53:20; mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/f54460da0cbc358c33a1304125119cb4/tumblr_mmwqr9Y3Ty1rsze6qo1_1280.jpg << the birth of an idea 1067192;1427178129;marteen;ben_vulpes: oh, sure, let me see... 1067193;1427178139;marteen;!register 050434ED71A1704C 1067194;1427178139;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint. 1067195;1427178146;brendafdez;the whole key id 1067196;1427178336;marteen;oh, I see, thanks... 1067197;1427178337;brendafdez;Key fingerprint = 15F6 BD45 240C 4679 C5F5 59B5 0504 34ED 71A1 704C 1067198;1427178377;ben_vulpes;!register 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C 1067199;1427178377;assbot;Nick ben_vulpes is already taken. 1067200;1427178394;ben_vulpes;well duh, assbot. 1067201;1427178410;ben_vulpes;full fingerprint, marteen. "long", as they say. 1067202;1427178441;marteen;!register 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C 1067203;1427178441;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C. This may take a few moments. 1067204;1427178441;assbot;Key 71A1704C / "Martín " successfully imported. 1067205;1427178441;assbot;Registration successful. 1067206;1427178446;marteen;ben_vulpes: thanks! 1067207;1427178448;ben_vulpes;brendafdez: just out of curiosity, do many people have things delivered across the river and shuttle them over via ferry? 1067208;1427178469;ben_vulpes;!rate marteen 1 new blood 1067209;1427178469;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ad8bfcdd35cd592c 1067210;1427178486;brendafdez;I couldn't possibly know. The only people I know who do it are bringing in stacks of cash 1067211;1427178509;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.marteen.1:7944d2caed41fbbd7aa09e713e695bfc06bea154bf64946071175cb7f764ac6f 1067212;1427178509;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for marteen with note: new blood 1067213;1427178527;ben_vulpes;hm well try it and let me know, eh? 1067214;1427178531;brendafdez;ben_vulpes so when do I get my prize for bringing in new blood to please the gods through sacrifice? 1067215;1427178550;ben_vulpes;!rate brendafdez 1 blood for the blood god 1067216;1427178551;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6f4484e018020ae7 1067217;1427178574;brendafdez;:D 1067218;1427178582;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.brendafdez.1:285f1f9f410f44c13ace2538b25bd5d53eec2cc674b822e19fc67a1a35827a2f 1067219;1427178582;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: blood for the blood god 1067220;1427178602;ben_vulpes;i hope you're happy, jnerula... 1067221;1427178623;brendafdez;ben_vulpes you need someone there you could ship things to? 1067222;1427178662;brendafdez;ben_vulpes I could put you in contact with people who may want to do it, but I think they have their issues with customs too, not as stringent as argentina 1067223;1427178663;ben_vulpes;interested in derpy small-scale arbitrage opportunities. 1067224;1427178697;brendafdez;abritrage :) 1067225;1427178705;ben_vulpes;kind of only insofar as it might get me lower price tickets 1067226;1427178710;ben_vulpes;still fueling this rocket over here. 1067227;1427178760;ben_vulpes;although, entertainingly, every day the election cycle grows closer, babe-o-tron grows more insistent about spending 2016 out of the country. 1067228;1427178764;ben_vulpes;"couldn't agree more, dear." 1067229;1427178852;*;trinque nods 1067230;1427178852;brendafdez;!gettrust ben_vulpes assbot 1067231;1427178853;assbot;Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 9 via 6 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/assbot | http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot 1067232;1427178882;brendafdez;oh, so he still can't voice himself, right? 1067233;1427178892;ben_vulpes;? 1067234;1427178903;trinque;!gettrust assbot martin 1067235;1427178903;assbot;martin is not registered in WoT. 1067236;1427178906;trinque;!gettrust assbot marteen 1067237;1427178907;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user marteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/marteen | http://w.b-a.link/user/marteen 1067238;1427178908;trinque;derp 1067239;1427178914;brendafdez;oh :) 1067240;1427178925;ben_vulpes;brendafdez: you must be new here :P 1067241;1427178929;trinque;brendafdez: those in L2 or better can voice 1067242;1427179000;brendafdez;ben_vulpes :P i'm am, but i've already fixed the lastness issue. No longer the newest, new flesh blood, and on it goes. 1067243;1427179012;brendafdez;s/flesh/fresh/ 1067244;1427179118;ben_vulpes;as far as the wot goes, you are actually the newest member. 1067245;1427179144;brendafdez;why? hasn't he just registered? 1067246;1427179152;ben_vulpes;oh, ah. 1067247;1427179160;ben_vulpes;!gettrust brendafdez 1067248;1427179161;assbot;Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user brendafdez: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/brendafdez | http://w.b-a.link/user/brendafdez 1067249;1427179410;ben_vulpes;now's your chance to !up yourself, marteen 1067250;1427179445;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mike_c i've got high hopes for the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL 1067251;1427179446;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1067252;1427179494;brendafdez;marteen you can message !up to assbot and verify by decypting the string 1067253;1427179713;ben_vulpes;wd. 1067254;1427179725;marteen;nice... I need to automate this now 1067255;1427179732;ben_vulpes;it 1067256;1427179735;ben_vulpes;it's not so bad 1067257;1427179750;ben_vulpes;the voice persists with your connection 1067258;1427179757;marteen;oh, no more 30 minutes? 1067259;1427179771;marteen;ok 1067260;1427179800;ben_vulpes;30 minutes is for strangers 1067261;1427179855;marteen;cool 1067262;1427179976;brendafdez;now whenever you're bored you can read logs or the blogs (http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com). One never reaches the end http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066689 1067263;1427179976;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 01:39:34; trinque: lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end 1067264;1427180049;marteen;brendafdez: interesting! thanks :) 1067265;1427180098;marteen;brendafdez: so... you planning on coming back to mendoza soon? 1067266;1427180305;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065272 << christ what are you doing 1067267;1427180305;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 16:55:19; nubbins`: mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW 0.5.3.1 downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 1067268;1427180307;brendafdez;well, i don't have plans, but it may happen. The last trip we made as part of the Giras Bitcoiners project was Asunción in Paraguay last December. The funding issue wasn't getting better. Only one of the trips allowed us to break even. 1067269;1427180312;ben_vulpes;okay fine, share your recipe 1067270;1427180327;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i need something beyond "turd" now 1067271;1427180407;ben_vulpes;;;later tell nubbins care to share your darwin recipe? 1067272;1427180408;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1067273;1427180423;brendafdez;This brings us to another issue which is the way the 'foundations' present themselves as as sort of official representation of bitcoin. That way they are better able to get funds from companies which want to be advertised and from membes of the community who want to 'be part of bitcoin'. It's what the FBA was/is doing and what the BF was/is doing on a much larger scale. 1067274;1427180436;marteen;brendafdez: ok, I see 1067275;1427180450;brendafdez;When we presented our project as an independent bunch of guys it wasn't the same. 1067276;1427180474;marteen;makes sense 1067277;1427180479;brendafdez;but who know, neither me nor the other 3 'founders' have buried it, so... 1067278;1427180528;marteen;brendafdez: you mention 'funding issue'... how do you usually get this funding? 1067279;1427180530;brendafdez;it was awesome for us as an experience I must say, getting to know the local communites, to travel so much, also to be able to promote one 'real use case' for bitcoin to local service providers 1067280;1427180562;marteen;of course... I can imagine it must have been a great experience :) 1067281;1427180576;ben_vulpes;burning suckers' cash always is. 1067282;1427180579;brendafdez;through sponsors, we had some of them, bitpagos sponsored every trip, digicoins sponsored the trip to mendoza, beOk sponsored the trip to paraguay 1067283;1427180591;ben_vulpes;hence the startup as flamethrower fueled by bezzlars metaphor. 1067284;1427180612;brendafdez;:D 1067285;1427180617;marteen;brendafdez: aah, cool! 1067286;1427180620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34817 @ 0.00020828 = 7.2517 BTC [-] {4} 1067287;1427180805;brendafdez;but also it was always open to people who wanted to come with us. As generally we weren't even covering the costs, having more poeple participate usually meant each one had to pay a smaller fraction, usually less money. 1067288;1427180924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00021289 = 5.748 BTC [+] 1067289;1427180998;marteen;brendafdez: ah, of course... that's nice 1067290;1427181076;brendafdez;I wanted to write an article on 'bitcon evangelism' or 'selling bitcoin', which of course is selling it to the companies not the people :P 1067291;1427181127;brendafdez;selling the campanies the idea that you'll be selling them with bitcoin to people who attend the talks/conferences/etc 1067292;1427181219;marteen;that would be great 1067293;1427181222;brendafdez;The whole 'evangelism' thing is bullshit, but there are incentives to do it, companies paying for it, who get their money from vcs and desperately need adoption, users, whatever 1067294;1427181248;marteen;well i think we need more companies accepting bitcoin 1067295;1427181257;cazalla; mircea_popescu: why let everyone think beauty and brains don't mix ? <<< get those eyes checked, perhaps same time as indiancandy gets that nose seen too 1067296;1427181284;brendafdez;the point about evangelism is that if you suck the right cock you may make a living out of it. I'm not naming names 1067297;1427181300;marteen;hhmmm, interesting... 1067298;1427181344;marteen;brendafdez: you you can make a living out of it, even being from argentina? 1067299;1427181423;brendafdez;why do we need more companies 'accepting bitcoin'? No, really, why? http://www.contravex.com/2014/02/25/matters-of-bitcoin-merchant-adoption/ 1067300;1427181425;assbot;On Matters of Merchant Adoption | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSEbaU ) 1067301;1427181464;brendafdez;I told you i wasn't even breaking even :P ask the FBA guys, they got funded in late 2012 to do it, and a few who suck theirs get a small part of the cake 1067302;1427181586;marteen;oh, ok... 1067303;1427181608;marteen;well, I mean... I'd like to buy more things more directly with bitcoin... 1067304;1427181622;brendafdez;you can sell the bitcoin and buy with fiat, 1067305;1427181628;cazalla;brendafdez: indiancandy they are awesome <3 those tits. I feel guilty now that I made you start posting pics :) <<< great tits, great body, but what a busted face she has 1067306;1427181631;brendafdez;if you hold gold you dont need merchants to accept gold 1067307;1427181653;marteen;brendafdez: yea, but that's still pretty inconvenient (selling btc for fiat) 1067308;1427181677;brendafdez;why is it? bc there are no people doing it cash in mendoza? i know for a fact thats not the acse 1067309;1427181687;brendafdez;if you were in a small town and no bank account then maybe inconvenient 1067310;1427181771;marteen;I don't know any people here in mendoza that provide that service 1067311;1427181777;marteen;and still, it's an extra step 1067312;1427181837;brendafdez;santiago castiglione travels there often bringing cash, the two btb braindamaged morons do it, if you can stand their stupidity. Tha saner person in Mendoiza is Adriel Araujo from Bitpagos. Contact him, he'll be able to help you, no doubt. 1067313;1427181852;marteen;and if it involves a bank account, then that adds to the inconveniency 1067314;1427181863;marteen;brendafdez: wow, thanks for all this info :) 1067315;1427181929;marteen;anyway, even if there's availability of btc <-> fiat services, i'd much rather avoid the intermediaries (and the banks) 1067316;1427182215;brendafdez;the banks can be avoided entirely. The intermediary is not a must. You can just get in contact with other people, publish your own listings and such. When you're paying with bitcoin, they are selling the bitcoin, so the cost is also there. In Argentina anyway pretty much no transactions at PoS are made in bitcoin, it's just a show for companies which pretend to be doing busniess helping merchants accept bitcoin 1067317;1427182367;brendafdez;If mircea or pete were online and willing to discuss it, it would be easier, they have a more solid and convincing rhetoric than I could dream of myself 1067318;1427182394;brendafdez;but it's problematic for many reasons to think that the value of bitcoin is to be able to pay coffe at a shop 1067319;1427182454;brendafdez;bitcoin is like gold. And gold is no less valuable when you can't spend it at a coffe shop. And even if there are large costs to exchange such modest amounts of gold or silver 1067320;1427182632;marteen;hmm, ok... I think I understand your point 1067321;1427182688;brendafdez;There was a point in bitcoin history when bitcoin was basically free, it had no monetary value, at least during 2009, and mostly also 2010, now it would be unthinkablee 1067322;1427182735;brendafdez;In the future we'll look back and wonder how bitcoin transactions used to be free, when they have large costs involved and it needs be so to keep the network secure 1067323;1427182777;brendafdez;so when blocks fill up and transactions start competing and miner subsidy goes down halving after halving the cost issue of why its not for coffee will be clearer 1067324;1427182827;marteen;but I would still like to be able to make small electronic value transactions without recurring to a central trusted party though 1067325;1427182843;marteen;would this be possible? 1067326;1427182862;marteen;ever? 1067327;1427182896;brendafdez;i'm not sure, there are alternatvies, alternative chains, sidechains, whatever, which certainly can't compete with bitcoin. 1067328;1427182908;brendafdez;right now bitcoin is an alternative even for coffee 1067329;1427182940;brendafdez;however i doubt it's a better technology than handning a piece of paper in exchange for drinks 1067330;1427182965;marteen;hhmmm, i don't like these papers 1067331;1427182971;brendafdez;print your own 1067332;1427182977;marteen;hehe 1067333;1427183011;*;ben_vulpes suspects a sybil 1067334;1427183026;brendafdez;after all, fiat and the monopoly of money by the state has been going for barely a century. 1067335;1427183044;*;brendafdez may be saying lots of bullshit here. Hope to get corrected. 1067336;1427183078;brendafdez;for most all the rest of human history private money was no big deal 1067337;1427183120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26831 @ 0.00021616 = 5.7998 BTC [+] {2} 1067338;1427183181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5569 @ 0.00021944 = 1.2221 BTC [+] 1067339;1427183195;BingoBoingo;lol https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858 1067340;1427183197;assbot;Bug 1202858 – restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BK4DNV ) 1067341;1427183219;marteen;brendafdez: btw, thanks for taking the time to explain all this to me :) 1067342;1427183227;brendafdez;that's where we're heading back with bitcoin, taking away the power of the government. Sometimes one loses the big picture. Taking the ability of the government corporation to finance itself through robbery (taxes) and deceit (inflation) is important. Decentralizing coffy purchases at small shops maybe not so much. You could do it in centralized brandatokens and get your bitcoin sent at the end of the day. If I charge you much you go 1067343;1427183227;brendafdez; indiancandytokens instead. 1067344;1427183228;marteen;i find it all really interesting 1067345;1427183280;marteen;ohh, yea, that last part I could accept 1067346;1427183299;brendafdez;it's not that bad having centralized private tokens. 1067347;1427183311;marteen;I agree with that 1067348;1427183314;brendafdez;for certain use cases. 1067349;1427183347;marteen;the key there is that it should be very easy and almost free for anyone to create a centralized private token 1067350;1427183354;BingoBoingo;brendafdez> bitcoin is like gold. And gold is no less valuable when you can't spend it at a coffe shop. And even if there are large costs to exchange such modest amounts of gold or silver << It going take some intermediate step. Instead of trading you highly valuable Bitcoin/Plutonium for coffee you trade it for big bundle of credits at the coffee shop or whatever the local cash sustomarily used for small value trades is 1067351;1427183406;brendafdez;but for quite a while there's been a trend to sell 'decentralization of your grandma through smart contracts in the blockchain' as the next big thing, that's maybe just smoke and meaningless bullshit to appeal to the vcs 1067352;1427183449;brendafdez;BingoBoingo brendatokens would be fine. 1067353;1427183494;marteen;coffeetokens 1067354;1427183503;marteen;I can trust my coffee shop 1067355;1427183536;brendafdez;if they can trust you back, especially now that youre in the wot you could pay with your own 1067356;1427183595;marteen;and I can even trust the 'verdulero', etc., but i definitely don't trust my bank 1067357;1427183600;brendafdez;you'll like it: http://szabo.best.vwh.net/shell.html 1067358;1427183601;assbot;Shelling Out -- The Origins of Money ... ( http://bit.ly/1BK562B ) 1067359;1427183632;marteen;brendafdez: thanks, I saved it for reading it later 1067360;1427183669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12591 @ 0.00021946 = 2.7632 BTC [+] {2} 1067361;1427183909;brendafdez;There's also qntra, it's the sane place to get your bitcoin cup of coffee without all the CoinDesk shit 1067362;1427183938;brendafdez;that's where one goes when time's not enough to read logs and blogs :P 1067363;1427184003;marteen;nice, thanks 1067364;1427184011;brendafdez;Next time I'll see BingoBoingo I'll try to get him to gpg sign something that says they want my Spanish translations :P 1067365;1427184027;brendafdez;*Next time I see BingoBoingo really drunk 1067366;1427184031;brendafdez;I was going to say 1067367;1427184068;brendafdez;Sadly he will not be coming to the conference, so I can't put substances in his drink to make him open the keyring (? 1067368;1427186414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 10000 @ 0.00020865 = 2.0865 BTC [-] {2} 1067369;1427186475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20509 @ 0.00022537 = 4.6221 BTC [+] 1067370;1427186674;cazalla; Next time I'll see BingoBoingo I'll try to get him to gpg sign something that says they want my Spanish translations :P <<< did we not make it clear that they are wanted? 1067371;1427186719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5041 @ 0.00022041 = 1.1111 BTC [-] 1067372;1427186745;cazalla;my suggested would be to set you up on es.qntra.net, but ask mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo for their thoughts 1067373;1427186753;cazalla;suggestion* even 1067374;1427186797;cazalla;alternatively, translate the spanish bitcoin news to english and have it on main qntra 1067375;1427187420;mircea_popescu;es. works 1067376;1427187615;punkman;https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858 1067377;1427187617;assbot;Bug 1202858 – restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xecN5z ) 1067378;1427187656;mircea_popescu;now that's behaviour i can get behind! 1067379;1427187687;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067167 << wet nose. 1067380;1427187687;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 06:11:21; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i give up, how are a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog the same? 1067381;1427188113;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067250 << agreed, guy's incredibly talented for web design without being retarded. he ruined all sorts of pet theories with that. 1067382;1427188113;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 06:44:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c i've got high hopes for the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL 1067383;1427188201;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067273 << scammers will scam. unavoidable with any new thing. 1067384;1427188201;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 07:00:23; brendafdez: This brings us to another issue which is the way the 'foundations' present themselves as as sort of official representation of bitcoin. That way they are better able to get funds from companies which want to be advertised and from membes of the community who want to 'be part of bitcoin'. It's what the FBA was/is doing and what the BF was/is doing on a much larger scale. 1067385;1427188328;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067295 << i'm a talented politician yo, dun hate. 1067386;1427188328;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 07:14:17; cazalla: mircea_popescu: why let everyone think beauty and brains don't mix ? <<< get those eyes checked, perhaps same time as indiancandy gets that nose seen too 1067387;1427188467;mircea_popescu;ahh check it out, everyone's asleep, i got the whole multiplex all to myself. 1067388;1427188554;jurov;heh i just woke up 1067389;1427188588;mircea_popescu;top o' the mornin' for you. 1067390;1427188603;mircea_popescu;hey, i recall your friend that was going to help with eulora for windows. he ever got in wot ? 1067391;1427188623;jurov;not heard from him since :( 1067392;1427188632;mircea_popescu;any way to ping him ? 1067393;1427188667;jurov;will email/phone him 1067394;1427188670;mircea_popescu;thanks. 1067395;1427188696;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067323 << check it out, all the stuff brenda figured out on her own. pretty quick twist eh. 1067396;1427188696;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 07:39:37; brendafdez: so when blocks fill up and transactions start competing and miner subsidy goes down halving after halving the cost issue of why its not for coffee will be clearer 1067397;1427188732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28712 @ 0.00022758 = 6.5343 BTC [+] 1067398;1427188934;fluffypony;https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858 1067399;1427188936;assbot;Bug 1202858 – restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xedMTv ) 1067400;1427188958;mircea_popescu;lol even found the old szabo threads and everything. i'm curious what comes of this. 1067401;1427188970;mircea_popescu;fluffypony oddly, was in log. 1067402;1427188973;fluffypony;oh 1067403;1427188983;mircea_popescu;which... i grant you... figure the fucking odds. 1067404;1427188990;fluffypony;lol 1067405;1427189002;mircea_popescu;fucking groupthink in here i swear. 1067406;1427189016;mircea_popescu;you people are worse than slackernews. 1067407;1427189150;mircea_popescu;cazalla you know how to set that shit up tho ? 1067408;1427189264;mircea_popescu;probably the easiest way would be to just create the es. en. spaces and install a fresh wordpress for es. 1067409;1427189272;mircea_popescu;seeing how wp does not actually support multilanguage natively. 1067410;1427190074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00022758 = 3.7551 BTC [+] 1067411;1427190318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00022793 = 1.926 BTC [+] {2} 1067412;1427191001;jurov;O.o :P dat log.. fake indiancandy? 1067413;1427191154;mircea_popescu;who's to know. 1067414;1427191167;mircea_popescu;"Iran will emerge, whether we like it or not, as the central power in their sphere," said Aaron David Miller, an analyst at the Wilson Center and former State Department official. 1067415;1427191168;mircea_popescu;heh, 1067416;1427191172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00022317 = 6.9071 BTC [-] {2} 1067417;1427191180;mircea_popescu;omnipotent impotence! make way! all hail! 1067418;1427191366;mircea_popescu;http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/19/syria-predator-drone-isis/25034633/ 1067419;1427191367;assbot;Drone shot down by Syria vexes Pentagon, White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOIum7 ) 1067420;1427191392;mircea_popescu;methinks the entrie drone thing is getting abandoned eventually. they don't actually seem to work worth a shit. 1067421;1427191416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53338 @ 0.00022189 = 11.8352 BTC [-] {2} 1067422;1427191477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9862 @ 0.00023126 = 2.2807 BTC [+] 1067423;1427192258;mats;wtt is going on with the share price 1067424;1427192316;mats;im hemorrhaging money 1067425;1427192383;mircea_popescu;yeah down for what, two weeks straight by now ? 1067426;1427192430;mats;something like that 1067427;1427193307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12525 @ 0.00023126 = 2.8965 BTC [+] 1067428;1427193334;punkman;mats, you just gotta buy more now 1067429;1427193612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00023056 = 4.6112 BTC [-] {3} 1067430;1427193664;mircea_popescu;or sell, lol 1067431;1427193724;punkman;maybe the shareholders didn't like that all new accounts are depositing to private addresses? 1067432;1427193787;mircea_popescu;timing seems off. 1067433;1427194167;punkman;!t m s.qntra 1067434;1427194167;assbot;Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure. 1067435;1427194313;mircea_popescu;4 letters. 1067436;1427194317;mircea_popescu;!t m s.qntr 1067437;1427194317;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC) 1067438;1427194527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00022635 = 2.2635 BTC [-] 1067439;1427194707;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/ 1067440;1427195076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00022693 = 3.3813 BTC [+] {2} 1067441;1427198302;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: methinks the entrie drone thing is getting abandoned eventually. they don't actually seem to work worth a shit << whatcha talking about, they're as good for rocketing trucks full of unarmed people as they ever were... 1067442;1427198309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00022706 = 3.9963 BTC [+] 1067443;1427198365;asciilifeform;'restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*)' << not bug, pheature! 1067444;1427198397;asciilifeform;'Я проÑто кончил :) краÑношлÑп доÑтавлÑет!' << from comments 1067445;1427198416;mircea_popescu;if they ever get close to a truck. 1067446;1427198422;asciilifeform;approx. 'i simply cummed. redhat's simply something' 1067447;1427198458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the way the machines are typically used is that usg knows precisely where the truck will be 1067448;1427198465;asciilifeform;at time t 1067449;1427198492;asciilifeform;often because someone inside has a phone or is otherwise pissing rf 1067450;1427198518;asciilifeform;(or did at any point while truck was moving) 1067451;1427198540;mircea_popescu;provided of course they're not in range of fire, 1067452;1427198544;mircea_popescu;or of gsm jamming. or etc. 1067453;1427198553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21595 @ 0.00022549 = 4.8695 BTC [-] {2} 1067454;1427198563;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you mean gps jam ? 1067455;1427198601;mircea_popescu;right 1067456;1427198699;asciilifeform;a little high for rifle, but a ww2-era airplane could take it down. 1067457;1427198724;asciilifeform;none of the american unmanned machines have any defensive armaments. 1067458;1427198736;asciilifeform;(they are not built to fight, but to assassinate) 1067459;1427198799;asciilifeform;'predator', interestingly, has a top speed similar to a decent car's. 1067460;1427198812;asciilifeform;a small flying machine 'toy' could easily catch up with it. 1067461;1427198882;asciilifeform;payload can be ordinary thermite. 1067462;1427199004;asciilifeform;(the 'no defenses' thing is not strictly true, at one point 'predator' was fitted with a small anti-aircraft rocket, iirc in gulfwar-2) 1067463;1427199010;nubbins`;<+ben_vulpes> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065272 << christ what are you doing << 8) 1067464;1427199010;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 16:55:19; nubbins`: mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW 0.5.3.1 downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 1067465;1427199031;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i need something beyond "turd" now << wai wat 1067466;1427199040;nubbins`;i'll put together a makefile.osx and some modification instructions that you can ritually burn 1067467;1427199056;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you really need a working crapple build i think mod6 had one 1067468;1427199067;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: but consider reconsidering 1067469;1427199084;nubbins`;<--working crapple build 1067470;1427199104;nubbins`;currently block182959 1067471;1427199122;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thousands of sex offenders << my understanding is that the lion's share of these are 'statutory' violators 1067472;1427199135;nubbins`;anyway it's srsly two sed commands and a new makefile 1067473;1427199144;nubbins`;to modify 0.5.3.1 for darwin/osx 1067474;1427199152;nubbins`;probably bsd as well, i guess 1067475;1427199195;asciilifeform;aha there we go. 1067476;1427199202;asciilifeform;perhaps we can do, e.g., vms, next. 1067477;1427199208;asciilifeform;or TOPS-10 1067478;1427199220;nubbins`;(example: sed 's/MSG_NOSIGNAL/SO_NOSIGPIPE/' on two files is approx. half the work) 1067479;1427199228;nubbins`;haha man, i had to use a VMS system on my first work term 1067480;1427199233;nubbins`;i'm still not sure wtf that was 1067481;1427199250;asciilifeform;the non-retarded sibling of unix 1067482;1427199254;nubbins`;:D 1067483;1427199272;nubbins`;it was always a case of "please check this before i hit enter" 1067484;1427199318;mircea_popescu;nubbins` publish 1067485;1427199339;nubbins`;will do later today 1067486;1427199341;asciilifeform;i'm actually rather surprised that nobody's clamouring to reintroduce winblows build 1067487;1427199356;asciilifeform;one would think somebody has a botnet deployment to consider 1067488;1427199357;nubbins`;asciilifeform speaks to the preferences of the room, i guess 1067489;1427199428;asciilifeform;i zapped the win32 ifdefs on account of them cluttering up my reading material, and for no particular other reason 1067490;1427199461;asciilifeform;(would have done the same for nintendo ifdefs if there had been any) 1067491;1427199501;asciilifeform;incidentally, the ifdef-iness of bitcoind speaks for the horrendous mega-ugly of cpp 1067492;1427199502;nubbins`;^ ha 1067493;1427199512;asciilifeform;which lacks even such an elementary thing as mix-ins 1067494;1427199521;asciilifeform;Adlai ^ 1067495;1427199543;nubbins`;<< had to sacrifice a few IFDEFS from makefile.osx 1067496;1427199543;asciilifeform;(the one other fella here who might know what i speak of) 1067497;1427199571;nubbins`;i'll warn that this is *not* a svelte makefile, more fat can almost certainly be trimmed. this is simply a "compiles, runs" thing 1067498;1427199593;asciilifeform;nubbins`: any changes -not- in common with openbsd ? 1067499;1427199597;asciilifeform;out of curiosity 1067500;1427199650;nubbins`;sum total of changes: modify SSL_ARCH_TYPE to Darwin64-x86_64-cc 1067501;1427199658;nubbins`;replace sha256sum with shasum -a 256 1067502;1427199668;nubbins`;replace MSG_NOSIGNAL flag with SO_NOSIGPIPE 1067503;1427199683;asciilifeform;starting from item 3, is in bitcoind proper ? 1067504;1427199699;nubbins`;yes, started from 0.5.3 base 1067505;1427199706;nubbins`;irc.cpp and net.cpp 1067506;1427199728;asciilifeform;was asking, whether any but the last item (signals) concerned bitcoind source itself 1067507;1427199777;nubbins`;ah, right. no 1067508;1427199819;nubbins`;the signals thing is the only actual code change 1067509;1427199828;asciilifeform;aha 1067510;1427199882;nubbins`;random forum quote: "In linux sockets (BSD 4.4 compliant) there something called MSG_NOSIGNAL" 1067511;1427199916;nubbins`;so without having the ability to check, i'd advance that SO_NOSIGPIPE might be an osx-specific fix 1067512;1427199931;Adlai;my pet theory of late is that satoshi intentionally built 0.1 on winblows as a red herring 1067513;1427199953;nubbins`;oh and the 0.5.3 makefile.osx doesn't have *any* of the hardening stuff that makefile.unix does 1067514;1427199961;nubbins`;so uh, there's that 1067515;1427199965;nubbins`;but again. PoC here. 1067516;1427199968;nubbins`;it compiles. 1067517;1427200007;nubbins`;was able to find equivalents for most, but not all, of the hardening compile options 1067518;1427201005;jurov;http://bturn.com/10286/soviet-erotic-alphabet :B mircea_popescu asciilifeform 1067519;1427201010;assbot;Database Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpCxgG ) 1067520;1427201146;jurov;лoл 1067521;1427201242;mircea_popescu;notbad.jpg 1067522;1427201322;nubbins`;ahhh... hot coffee, cool code, and les deux rondes 1067523;1427201332;nubbins`;notbad.tuesday 1067524;1427201345;jurov;nubbins`: you can use these as illuminations for alf's book 1067525;1427201378;asciilifeform;'в ÑоветÑком Ñоюзе ÑекÑа нету!' (TM) 1067526;1427201393;nubbins`;that's one way to fight illiteracy 1067527;1427201446;nubbins`;lel @ drawing for Æ· 1067528;1427201472;nubbins`;is that /pan/ about to poke someone? 1067529;1427201492;nubbins`;nm, that's not a flute 1067530;1427201531;nubbins`;http://bturn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Soviet-sex-12.jpg lel "one one of us has a car, baby" 1067531;1427201533;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpEMk5 ) 1067532;1427201536;nubbins`;*only one 1067533;1427201633;nubbins`;mega-lel @ top 4 comments 1067534;1427201725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00022418 = 8.0593 BTC [-] {2} 1067535;1427202266;nubbins`;http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2015/03/23/voices/spare-thought-western-men-trapped-japan/#.VRFfxzTF-kB 1067536;1427202269;assbot;Spare a thought for the Western men trapped in Japan | The Japan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpIgTz ) 1067537;1427202292;nubbins`;tldr "i thought setting down roots in a foreign country where i'm a visible minority who doesn't understand the language or culture would be EASY but it's HARD" 1067538;1427202358;asciilifeform;nubbins`: there was an entire newsgroup for these folks (and 'candidates') once - soc.culture.japan 1067539;1427202361;asciilifeform;i used to read it. 1067540;1427202382;nubbins`;"dave's ESL cafe" full of similar 1067541;1427202396;nubbins`;with more of a lean towards korea 1067542;1427202410;asciilifeform;the 'pathology' was that these people imagined they wanted to move to japan, but what they -actually- wanted was: -to have always lived there- 1067543;1427202414;asciilifeform;and that wasn't on the menu. 1067544;1427202423;nubbins`;i, on the other hand, thought setting down roots in above would be HARD but it was only MODERATELY DIFFICULT AND SOMETIMES FRUSTRATING 1067545;1427202432;nubbins`;asciilifeform +1000 1067546;1427202449;nubbins`;they wanted the trappings of japanese without being japanese :D 1067547;1427202453;asciilifeform;no 1067548;1427202459;asciilifeform;the more serious ones wanted to 'be japanese' 1067549;1427202468;asciilifeform;but this doesn't work unless, well, you are 1067550;1427202493;nubbins`;oh hmm, the manga fans and neckbeards who say "that's so kawaii" 1067551;1427202500;nubbins`;a lot of them don't make it to japan 1067552;1427202502;asciilifeform;the only reason why jp is still interesting to anybody is precisely that these folks -can't- get in their wot 1067553;1427202504;nubbins`;the ones that do, i truly pity 1067554;1427202533;nubbins`;because they quickly alienate themselves from the locals as well as the other foreigners 1067555;1427202558;Adlai;especially that one guy 1067556;1427202560;asciilifeform;the foreigners who are in jp for the long haul, are typically on serious business and live among their own kind. 1067557;1427202574;nubbins`;the one with the blond ponytail and a dragon painted on his jeans in the subway? yeah, that guy 1067558;1427202583;nubbins`;asciilifeform +1 1067559;1427202588;Adlai;no, the one with the frapuccino 1067560;1427202607;Adlai;although it's a little hard to pity him, given the nonzero chance that he also has a few coins 1067561;1427202621;asciilifeform;in other news: http://imgur.com/YqbQh33,VN8dqBv,xJ6WGhl,nTPgWYW,WX6hpiT#4 1067562;1427202622;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcFOR9 ) 1067563;1427202625;nubbins`;there's a term in korea for young people who live poor at home so they can buy frappucinos in public 1067564;1427202627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ 1067565;1427202649;nubbins`;Adlai disposable income in .jp might not be as much as you think 1067566;1427202656;asciilifeform;reworked units appear to pass basic test 1067567;1427202674;nubbins`;dat smt 1067568;1427202677;asciilifeform;fifth photo shows replaced cap 1067569;1427202688;nubbins`;by hand? 1067570;1427202693;asciilifeform;presumably 1067571;1427202698;asciilifeform;they did it, not me 1067572;1427202699;nubbins`;steady as she goes! 1067573;1427202701;nubbins`;ah 1067574;1427202709;asciilifeform;probably with 'hot tweezer' 1067575;1427202714;asciilifeform;(tool used for such occasions) 1067576;1427202742;Adlai;this seems like a fairly ideal domain for another one of those robotics startups 1067577;1427202756;asciilifeform;Adlai: what is 1067578;1427202778;Adlai;testing individual components to confirm that they meet spec, soldering them onto the pcb 1067579;1427202798;nubbins`;speaking of soldering tools, anyone ever used one of those "cold heat" (resistance based) soldering tools? 1067580;1427202801;asciilifeform;Adlai: actually, pick'n'place machines build in the '80s did this as routine matter 1067581;1427202814;asciilifeform;nubbins`: aha 1067582;1427202820;asciilifeform;nubbins`: pretty worthless, imho 1067583;1427202826;nubbins`;suspected as much 1067584;1427202835;*;Adlai prefers the smell of lead in the head 1067585;1427202835;asciilifeform;nubbins`: but -looks- impressive, yes 1067586;1427202835;*;nubbins` is clumsy 1067587;1427202844;asciilifeform;sorta like a spot welder 1067588;1427202847;nubbins`;nod 1067589;1427202864;nubbins`;good luck tinning the tip of it ;p 1067590;1427202883;asciilifeform;(for those innocent of the thing - it was simply a box with battery, and tipped with a small carboniferous fork. stick the fork on solder ball, it melts...) 1067591;1427202884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00021903 = 7.6332 BTC [-] {3} 1067592;1427202905;Adlai;one of my first ever mind=blown moments was seeing a solder removal wick 1067593;1427202940;asciilifeform;Adlai: anyway, what i was saying was that it was once not uncommon for components to be measured before placement. but guess what, in modern world this is 'unnecessary' we're told. 1067594;1427202953;nubbins`;Adlai heh 1067595;1427202960;asciilifeform;solder wick << aha, it behaves just like any other liquid. 1067596;1427202970;nubbins`;was your second moment putting a wilted celery stalk in a glass of water? :D 1067597;1427203005;danielpbarron;height=295140 vs height=215904 1067598;1427203012;nubbins`;today i learned that the cost of a variable dc power supply is much less than i'd imagined 1067599;1427203018;nubbins`;me rummages for credit card 1067600;1427203025;nubbins`;^ + / 1067601;1427203039;asciilifeform;nubbins`: mine was fiddybux or so 1067602;1427203050;nubbins`;nod, clean used ones on ebay for about the same 1067603;1427203056;asciilifeform;(appears in one of the photos linked earlier, displaying supply voltage and current consumption of rng) 1067604;1427203061;asciilifeform;yeah it was used 1067605;1427203076;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1067606;1427203079;nubbins`;been wanting one ever since EE labs in uni 1067607;1427203080;asciilifeform;had to be resoldered for american mains (move to center tap of transformer) as it was brit-made 1067608;1427203084;nubbins`;somehow never bothered to even /price/ them 1067609;1427203100;asciilifeform;it is very difficult to do anything seriously electronic without one 1067610;1427203148;asciilifeform;avoid the chinese ones, they not only have fans (yes) but plenty of ripple in the dc 1067611;1427203178;asciilifeform;(at any rate, if buying chinese, do it somewhere you can return if necessary and measure the ripple) 1067612;1427203189;nubbins`;i generally avoid chinese-made anything 1067613;1427203217;nubbins`;phun phact, you can get a flash dryer for curing plastisol inks for $800 (american-made) or $300 (chinese-made) 1067614;1427203271;nubbins`;the $800 one has a massive network of tiny coils to evenly heat the shirt 1067615;1427203296;asciilifeform;what size/shape is the heat bed ? 1067616;1427203298;nubbins`;the $300 one has... a domestic oven element. http://imgur.com/KJqDivg 1067617;1427203299;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcJvX9 ) 1067618;1427203312;nubbins`;various sizes, ours is 16x16". pizza box profile 1067619;1427203326;nubbins`;the really nice ones ($3k+) use quartz tubes 1067620;1427203338;asciilifeform;nubbins`: you know, the oven heater would work fine if you had a thermal buffer (think 'pizza stone') between it and the payload 1067621;1427203348;asciilifeform;it is how i reflow boards on a hob 1067622;1427203348;nubbins`;that's what the mesh screen is attempting/failing to do 1067623;1427203356;asciilifeform;the mesh screen is not a buffer ! 1067624;1427203362;nubbins`;nope. :D 1067625;1427203362;asciilifeform;no thermal mass to speak of, in it 1067626;1427203373;nubbins`;but there nonetheless, to give the appearance 1067627;1427203374;asciilifeform;just pointing out that it isn't even trying 1067628;1427203387;asciilifeform;whereas the 'network of tiny coils' is likewise unnecessary 1067629;1427203409;nubbins`;http://images.dharmatrading.com/images/eng/products/image/flash18-1-090218113336.jpg 1067630;1427203410;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcK9UC ) 1067631;1427203413;asciilifeform;scylla and charybdis of chinesecrud and americangoldentoilet ! 1067632;1427203414;nubbins`;^ chinese unit from afar 1067633;1427203447;nubbins`;thermal buffer = massively long heat-up times, additional weight 1067634;1427203505;nubbins`;now here's a funny thing: supposing that flash was made not-in-china. now it's $800. to add a dwell timer, a servo motor, and a foot pedal: extra $800. 1067635;1427203558;asciilifeform;the 'correct' solution is probably ir lamp. 1067636;1427203559;nubbins`;http://www.silkscreeningsupplies.com/files/799934/uploaded/FLASHAMATIC.jpg 1067637;1427203561;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpOgf6 ) 1067638;1427203563;asciilifeform;fast heat, fast cool 1067639;1427203569;asciilifeform;and 100% even 1067640;1427203570;nubbins`;nod. i have a link here. 1067641;1427203579;nubbins`;competition uses IR flash 1067642;1427203616;nubbins`;http://img35.olx.ua/images_slandocomua/181436811_1_644x461_ik-lampy-r7s-sushka-red-chili-mr-belaya-tserkov.jpg 1067643;1427203617;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpOvXy ) 1067644;1427203637;nubbins`;http://www.mrprint.com/images/news/red_chili_1418web.jpg 1067645;1427203638;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpOAKO ) 1067646;1427203646;nubbins`;with optional proximity sensor! 1067647;1427203655;nubbins`;in a perfect world i'd buy one of those 1067648;1427203702;nubbins`;proximity sensor = turn off brain when printing 1067649;1427203716;nubbins`;no sensor/no pedal: 10-second timer running in your head at all times 1067650;1427203734;asciilifeform;in other news, lee kuan yew is dead 1067651;1427203738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00022344 = 5.6083 BTC [+] 1067652;1427203772;nubbins`;underside of our flash: http://www.digitsmith.com/attachments/18238d1340119986-black-body-flash-cure-panel-bottom1small.jpg 1067653;1427203775;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcLZ7R ) 1067654;1427203790;asciilifeform;greatest wisdom of this ruler was, iirc, 'when you come to power, begin by putting three of your closest friends in jail. you already know -what for-, and they also know -what for.-' 1067655;1427203804;nubbins`;ha 1067656;1427203808;nubbins`;wisdom indeed 1067657;1427203812;asciilifeform;srsly 1067658;1427203828;nubbins`;incidentally, the conveyor oven used for final cure has these same black-body panels inside 1067659;1427203877;*;nubbins` had to play electrician for a day when all this equipment showed up 1067660;1427203903;*;nubbins` will have to play electrician again in a month's time when we upgrade to 240v flash unit 1067661;1427203989;asciilifeform;in other news, 1067662;1427203989;nubbins`;nerding out on equipment is phun 1067663;1427203999;asciilifeform;'They are looking for the people who are in this room right now: you will be the target. Not because you are a terrorist, not because you are suspected of any criminal wrongdoing, but because you have access to systems, you have access to infrastructure, you have access to the private records, people's private lives. These are the things that they want.' 1067664;1427204016;asciilifeform;(mr s, naturally, http://www.zdnet.com/article/snowden-it-workers-are-now-the-target-of-spies ) 1067665;1427204018;assbot;Snowden: IT workers are now the target of spies | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcN27J ) 1067666;1427204018;nubbins`;my face when i found unfiltered blacklight bulbs that peak at the *exact* wavelength my emulsion is most sensitive to 1067667;1427204468;asciilifeform;'No wonder foreign husbands often complain about Japanese women suddenly transforming from sweet and cute girlfriends into shufu — professional housewives emotionally and physically distant from their husbands and fully devoted to their children and home.' << dependopotamus (TM) ! 1067668;1427204671;nubbins`;:D 1067669;1427204718;nubbins`;put another way: those who are unable to judge the character/nature of others are more likely to wish for escape, and their disability follows them to their new life, where they make the same sort of mistakes they'd make at home 1067670;1427204741;nubbins`;"nobody understands me at home" 1067671;1427204758;nubbins`;no, you don't understand anybody, period. moving to jp will not fix this. 1067672;1427204770;nubbins`;if anything, exacerbate 1067673;1427204839;nubbins`;oh hey 1067674;1427204840;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/young-girl-struck-by-school-bus-in-mary-queen-of-the-world-parking-lot-1.3006801 1067675;1427204842;assbot;Young girl struck by school bus in Mary Queen of the World parking lot - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcRbZq ) 1067676;1427204842;nubbins`;my alma mater 1067677;1427204869;nubbins`;phun phact, when i was five years old, i missed getting run over by a taxi in this same parking lot by about 6 inches 1067678;1427204901;nubbins`;that was when i learned you don't run on parking lots when they're covered in gravel 1067679;1427204972;asciilifeform;'no, you don't understand anybody, period. moving to jp will not fix this' << what kind of folks are you thinking of ? 1067680;1427204979;asciilifeform;(who 'don't understand anybody') 1067681;1427204996;nubbins`;i'm thinking of roughly half the foreigners i met while teaching overseas 1067682;1427205019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00021607 = 8.2647 BTC [-] {2} 1067683;1427205058;nubbins`;there's about a 50/50 split between "young people who want to see the world, travel, pay off debt" and "weirdos escaping to start over" 1067684;1427205124;nubbins`;it's much, much easier to cover up idiosyncrasies if there's a language and culture barrier in the way 1067685;1427205173;nubbins`;update re: sealskin: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/i-m-shocked-corner-brook-woman-fined-250-for-sealskin-purse-1.3006358 1067686;1427205174;assbot;'I'm shocked': Corner Brook woman fined $250 for sealskin purse - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcSQ18 ) 1067687;1427205186;nubbins`;"My major concern at the time, because I travel to the states every now and then, is there going to be a red flag when they scan my passport? Is something going to show that I'm bringing in endangered whatever?" <<< yes, with 100% certainty. 1067688;1427205232;*;nubbins` gets the VIP treatment every time due to an incident involving some undeclared goods 1067689;1427205277;nubbins`;"She doesn't expect to ever see her bag again, but has received multiple offers from people who want to replace her purse." WHAT 1067690;1427205302;nubbins`;this woman has enough disposable income that NOT ONLY does she own a sealskin fucking purse, but she regularly travels internationally to SHOP 1067691;1427205308;nubbins`;and people are offering to buy her a new purse. 1067692;1427205313;nubbins`;because newfy. 1067693;1427205370;asciilifeform;reminds me of how when clinton was half-heartedly prosecuting microshit for antitrust violations, some 'think tank' (cato? i forget) had a 'microsoft defense fund' that the public was invited to contribute to ! 1067694;1427205447;asciilifeform;or how a firm i once worked for, that shall remain nameless, invited the public to contribute spare change to one of its (congressionally-funded!) wunderwaffen projects that will 'help save our boys in iraq' 1067695;1427205469;asciilifeform;(last i checked, a few yrs ago, the donation button was still there!) 1067696;1427205520;nubbins`;the gall, hey? 1067697;1427205523;asciilifeform;and the obligatory orwell observation, 1067698;1427205525;asciilifeform;'Until recently the characteristic adventure stories of the English-speaking peoples have been stories in which the hero fights against odds. This is true all the way from Robin Hood to Pop-eye the Sailor. Perhaps the basic myth of the Western world is Jack the Giant-killer, but to be brought up to date this should be renamed Jack the Dwarf-killer, and there already exists a considerable literature which teaches, either overtl 1067699;1427205525;asciilifeform;y or implicitly, that one should side with the big man against the little man. Most of what is now written about foreign policy is simply an embroidery on this theme...' 1067700;1427205661;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bill-c-51-hearings-first-nations-activists-toronto-police-to-testify-1.3006731 1067701;1427205662;assbot;Bill C-51 hearings: First Nations activists, Toronto police to testify - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPCSIn ) 1067702;1427205677;nubbins`;first nations activists are generally pretty hardass 1067703;1427205705;nubbins`;the protest crowd could learn some lessons from em 1067704;1427205744;nubbins`;altho TBF "get the fuck off our land" doesn't work if you're a kid in downtown montreal 1067705;1427205980;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/the-astounding-rise-of-china-s-currency-don-pittis-1.3005562 1067706;1427205982;assbot;The astounding rise of China's currency: Don Pittis - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcX7lg ) 1067707;1427206178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00022192 = 7.9891 BTC [+] {2} 1067708;1427206187;asciilifeform;nubbins`: it is being felt. i distinctly recall watching some trashy american adventure film a year or two ago, involving time travel to the future, and the hero had a treasure chest under his floorboards with thick stacks of yuan 1067709;1427206210;nubbins`;i sorta feel like getting on the yuan train 1067710;1427206235;asciilifeform;nubbins`: problem is, that train doesn't go anywhere you would want to be. 1067711;1427206240;nubbins`;shit, there was a Crichton book (sphere?) where the future coca-cola cans were all in chinese 1067712;1427206280;nubbins`;asciilifeform what's my other choice, CAD? :D 1067713;1427206307;asciilifeform;nubbins`: unlike, apparently, most other beggars, i won't give investment advice. 1067714;1427206317;nubbins`;mark of a wise man 1067715;1427206318;asciilifeform;it isn't a problem that i have 1067716;1427206325;asciilifeform;and hence i cannot suggest solutions to it 1067717;1427206354;asciilifeform;having no experience or opportunity to practice whatsoever. 1067718;1427206423;asciilifeform;(i don't knowingly participate in chumpatrons and hence haven't and won't be buying fiat stocks at 10-20bux/trade) 1067719;1427206447;nubbins`;nod 1067720;1427206518;nubbins`;i'm not saying i'll remortgage the house or anything 1067721;1427206542;nubbins`;but it'd be fun to add a few k's worth of yuan to the basket 1067722;1427206574;asciilifeform;if can afford to lose in the casino - why not 1067723;1427206723;nubbins`;a small amount of "can afford to lose, why not try btc" in 2012 provides the opportunity for "can afford to lose, why not try ___" in 2015 1067724;1427206762;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/francis-boucher-son-of-hells-angels-leader-accidentally-released-from-jail-1.3006335 1067725;1427206763;assbot;Francis Boucher, son of Hells Angels leader, accidentally released from jail - Montreal - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd1Ov6 ) 1067726;1427206767;nubbins`;hahahaha. "accidentally". 1067727;1427206835;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i am waiting to hear of afghanistan-style jailbreaks in usa 1067728;1427206855;asciilifeform;the kind involving armoured trucks, rockets, demolition charges 1067729;1427206859;nubbins`;i.e. "hundreds escape"? 1067730;1427206861;asciilifeform;aha 1067731;1427206883;asciilifeform;and one or two are removed by the 'rescuers' for proper (i.e. heads-off) justice 1067732;1427206903;nubbins`;restorative justice, this 8) 1067733;1427206913;nubbins`;i.e. let's restore your meat to its natural state 1067734;1427206961;asciilifeform;http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/03/24/world/crime-legal-world/police-unable-confirm-gang-rape-university-virginia/#.VRFybHW9_ft << this was brought up in an older thread iirc 1067735;1427206963;assbot;Police unable to confirm gang rape at University of Virginia | The Japan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPHIVV ) 1067736;1427206977;asciilifeform;rounds off with some lulz, 1067737;1427206979;asciilifeform;'Longo said the case is suspended, not closed. He said the fact that investigators could not find evidence “doesn’t mean that something terrible didn’t happen to Jackie.”' 1067738;1427207146;nubbins`;...which is generally true, but probably not in this case. 1067739;1427207153;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/ksBVtHB.png 1067740;1427207153;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPIthT ) 1067741;1427207161;nubbins`;note how the emphasis is on the feels ^ 1067742;1427207179;nubbins`;not be as valuable as you could be 1067743;1427207181;nubbins`;just feel it 1067744;1427207188;asciilifeform;iirc the case in that article ended with police finding no one on the planet remotely matching the description of the perpetrator 1067745;1427207195;nubbins`;yeah 1067746;1427207202;nubbins`;name, description... 1067747;1427207232;nubbins`;"turns out the complainant didn't even have any orifices" 1067748;1427207240;nubbins`;what was it, rolling stone or smth that broke the story? 1067749;1427207267;asciilifeform;the former i think 1067750;1427207296;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/iraq-mission-stephen-harper-recommits-to-coalition-against-isis-1.3006469 1067751;1427207297;assbot;Iraq mission: Stephen Harper recommits to coalition against ISIS - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd4gSy ) 1067752;1427207342;nubbins`;if there's one thing that will stabilise the region, it's a year of bombings 1067753;1427207398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00021826 = 1.8116 BTC [-] 1067754;1427207435;asciilifeform; http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/communication-security-establishment-s-cyberwarfare-toolbox-revealed-1.3002978 << l0l, canadian snowden heap 1067755;1427207437;assbot;Communication Security Establishment's cyberwarfare toolbox revealed - Canada - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPJwyl ) 1067756;1427207482;nubbins`;pretty light on content, that article 1067757;1427207503;nubbins`;slideshow on bottom ("CSE's toolbox") is 100% generalities 1067758;1427207534;asciilifeform;mega-snore 1067759;1427207556;nubbins`;"toolbox" = general trade practices 1067760;1427207557;asciilifeform;reads like disinfo 1067761;1427207608;asciilifeform;in the sense that if you kidnapped a generic american undergrad, chained him in a cellar, and didn't let him out until he reads the snowden dumps and craps out a deck of 'plausible' canadian slides, the result is likely to be something like the above. 1067762;1427207664;asciilifeform;then again, these people have long ago crossed the parody horizon. 1067763;1427207673;nubbins`;^ 1067764;1427207676;asciilifeform;at least the ones from whom there are leaks. 1067765;1427207685;asciilifeform;there has yet to be ONE SINGLE cryptologist leak. 1067766;1427207706;asciilifeform;from anywhere in the usg empire. 1067767;1427207732;mats;they know better. 1067768;1427207739;nubbins`;guess they really do screen candidates for some fields, hey? 1067769;1427207761;nubbins`;or, put another way, what mats said 1067770;1427207768;asciilifeform;picture you're taking a hill 1067771;1427207774;asciilifeform;there is a machine gun nest on the hill 1067772;1427207777;asciilifeform;the gun is silent. 1067773;1427207782;asciilifeform;is it because gunner is dead? 1067774;1427207788;asciilifeform;or is he waiting for you to come closer? 1067775;1427207905;mats;living a life of secrecy is hard as it is 1067776;1427207907;asciilifeform;now, afaik all available evidence suggests that american cryptological establishment is occupied mainly with crafting monstrosities like dual_ec_drbg - rather than actually breaking 'real' crypto 1067777;1427207918;asciilifeform;but the available evidence is very, very thin. 1067778;1427207950;nubbins`;i think they'd be remiss if they weren't working on both. 1067779;1427207968;asciilifeform;!s rsa pill 1067780;1427207969;assbot;6 results for 'rsa pill' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsa+pill 1067781;1427207977;asciilifeform;^ pointing n00bs to logs 1067782;1427208023;mats;i'm not convinced dual_ec_drbg is rigged 1067783;1427208047;asciilifeform;mats: see the old thread re: malice and incompetence 1067784;1427208060;asciilifeform;mats: next we know, you'll suggest that hearbleed was a traditional bug ? 1067785;1427208061;mats;for the record, there is still absolutely zero solid evidence that Dual_EC_DRBG is backdoored. the Snowden leaks never mention it by name, never talk about backdooring a CSPRNG, and indeed never talk about backdooring anything. the extent of what they mention is that NSA wanted to 'influence standards' 1067786;1427208073;asciilifeform;mats: nope 1067787;1427208099;asciilifeform;mats: several of the documents (in particular, one classification-level guide) mention subversion of commercial products specifically. 1067788;1427208106;nubbins`;"Protects exploitation of specific communications associated with ... money laundering ... and targets of interest" 1067789;1427208106;mats;ive personally confirmed with schneier - in person - and have second-hand confirmations by others who have interacted with recipients of leaks 1067790;1427208111;nubbins`;codeword STRESSFUL 1067791;1427208113;asciilifeform;(-which products- was redacted by the greenwald gang) 1067792;1427208131;asciilifeform;mats: the word of schneier is worth less than zero here. 1067793;1427208151;nubbins`;didn't schneier advocate windows as an acceptable PGP machine? 1067794;1427208157;asciilifeform;he is a known stooge 1067795;1427208158;mats;the 2006 analysis and subsequent cryptanalytic work stand on their own when it comes to making the case for suspicion of a backdoor, but lets stay within the realm of reason here 1067796;1427208160;nubbins`;as long as you installed all yr updates?!?! 1067797;1427208203;asciilifeform;mats: let me rephrase. i advocate that it is -wrong- to treat any case like dual_ec as anything other than sabotage 1067798;1427208204;nubbins`;mats it's worth mentioning that most of what snowden revealed was not considered "within the realm of reason" by many, before the fact 1067799;1427208213;asciilifeform;because 'i accidentally the bug' can never be proven 1067800;1427208229;nubbins`;^ 1067801;1427208317;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846621 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846620 1067802;1427208317;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...' 1067803;1427208317;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2014 02:35:49; asciilifeform: if you create a 'heartbleed' - you are a вредитель. and whether you did it intentionally, given the impossibility of proof - does not matter. 1067804;1427208338;nubbins`;PIEDMONT: "Provides protection to NSA's bottom line capabilities to exploit SIGINT targets by attacking the hard mathematical problems underlying public key cryptography as well as any future technologies as may be developed" 1067805;1427208363;mats;i hate discussing these things with you people 1067806;1427208366;asciilifeform;nubbins`: that plus another directorate name is pretty much all we publicly have on the 'directorate of breaking pgp' 1067807;1427208382;nubbins`;PAWLEYS, PENDLETON 1067808;1427208382;asciilifeform;mats: very curious now - why ? 1067809;1427208385;mats;its always bogeymen, can't have serious discussion 1067810;1427208393;asciilifeform;mats: a serious discussion would involve what? 1067811;1427208397;nubbins`;OPALESCE sounds like keyboard rf sniffing 1067812;1427208398;asciilifeform;the mathematics, disembodied ? 1067813;1427208403;asciilifeform;i am quite able to discuss the mathematics 1067814;1427208412;asciilifeform;but it did not come from god - it came from people 1067815;1427208416;asciilifeform;who want their faces to stay hidden 1067816;1427208421;asciilifeform;one -must- ask - why 1067817;1427208431;nubbins`;mats i understand your viewpoint but plz to understand that paranoia has proved to be justified time and again 1067818;1427208449;nubbins`;while one may feel silly taking the paranoid stance as the default.... we're just evaluating the evidence as presented 1067819;1427208461;asciilifeform;nearly everything i and fellow paranoiac crackpots have ever spoken about crypto has proven to be abundantly justified. 1067820;1427208466;nubbins`;^ 1067821;1427208477;asciilifeform;justification coming out of our ears, arses 1067822;1427208485;asciilifeform;enough for anyone, i'd think, at this point 1067823;1427208513;nubbins`;i think the overwhelming amount of justification triggers a "this CAN'T be true" response in a lot of people 1067824;1427208547;asciilifeform;once you amputate your vestigial 'this can't be true' organ, you are left with only your understanding of the physical world to go on 1067825;1427208568;asciilifeform;unfortunately, for most of the folks who do this, it ends in a belief in unidentified flying proctologists 1067826;1427208578;nubbins`;heh. 1067827;1427208593;nubbins`;the gasenwagen, it can't be true. 1067828;1427208598;asciilifeform;but if you have the upbringing of a thinking (that is, polymathic) person - you can get somewhere. 1067829;1427208655;nubbins`;the usa invading a foreign country on 100% false pretenses, it can't be true 1067830;1427208680;mats;look, i'm putting my skepticism on the record. if there was evidence, it'd look like 'Tor Stinks' or the slides from Der Spiegel's work on the Belgacom pwnage. i'm not saying that Dual_EC_DRBG doesn't have obvious flaws or that anyone should continue using it, but my skepticism regarding it being an intentional backdoor remains 1067831;1427208684;nubbins`;all american internet traffic flowing through an NSA closet in an at&t building -- it can't be true 1067832;1427208697;asciilifeform;mats: at the risk of repeating myself, i will phrase my position as a kind of maxim: 'it is necessary to behave as if hearbleed and dual_ec were crafted vulns, regardless of any apparent evidence to the contrary' 1067833;1427208707;mats;the whole 'NSA is undermining all crypto standards!' meme is overplayed 1067834;1427208720;asciilifeform;this is a fairly outlandish thing on the surface, and i will justify it with something like 'pascal's wager' 1067835;1427208724;nubbins`;1% chance of it being an intentional backdoor is 1000x the proof you need to not use it 1067836;1427208799;asciilifeform;thing is, there are not so many good opportunities for crafted vulns, and the usg folks know it. hence they try to cultivate an overall maggoty flavour in software culture at large 1067837;1427208804;asciilifeform;e.g. poettering and his merry men 1067838;1427208812;asciilifeform;in hopes that the maggots will hatch naturally 1067839;1427208818;asciilifeform;this doesn't even require very much support 1067840;1427208832;asciilifeform;just a strategic lack of support for anything which might poison the maggots. 1067841;1427208856;fluffypony;I think it's very hard to tell the difference between mistake and malice. 1067842;1427208861;fluffypony;(in this instance) 1067843;1427208862;nubbins`;fluffypony +1 1067844;1427208866;asciilifeform;so it is not necessary to -believe- that every single bug is deliberately crafted 1067845;1427208872;thestringpuller;is there really a difference? 1067846;1427208873;asciilifeform;but it is necessary to -behave- as if they were 1067847;1427208881;asciilifeform;is this too subtle for people ? 1067848;1427208884;thestringpuller;isn't there that saying, "Road to hell something something good intentions?" 1067849;1427208892;fluffypony;thestringpuller: mistakes don't always stem from incompetence 1067850;1427208921;nubbins`;sometimes it's carelessness! 1067851;1427208923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00021826 = 3.9832 BTC [-] {2} 1067852;1427208930;thestringpuller;aka apathy? 1067853;1427208941;fluffypony;http://safecurves.cr.yp.to 1067854;1427208942;assbot;SafeCurves:Introduction ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPPcs0 ) 1067855;1427208944;nubbins`;asciilifeform put another way: not everyone has syphilis, but you'd be remiss not to wrap it up when sexing a stranger 1067856;1427208951;fluffypony;DJB believes secp256k1 is broken 1067857;1427208956;asciilifeform;nubbins`: very much the wrong analogy 1067858;1427208973;asciilifeform;because it had nothing to do with probabilities 1067859;1427208980;asciilifeform;the original idea, that is 1067860;1427208983;nubbins`;hm, true 1067861;1427208991;asciilifeform;it has to do with the impossibility of knowing intent 1067862;1427209007;nubbins`;maybe intent is to give you the clap 1067863;1427209017;asciilifeform;all you have to go on, when answering the question 'usg stooge or not' is - 'by their fruits you will know them' 1067864;1427209034;asciilifeform;there is literally nothing else (other than a certain measure of 'guilt by association') 1067865;1427209065;asciilifeform;and aside from stooges and people, there also exist useful idiots 1067866;1427209072;nubbins`;^ 1067867;1427209083;asciilifeform;which is to say, folks who are acting in the interests of usg but do not consciously know it 1067868;1427209100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu uses word 'asset' for both, but they are distinct animals 1067869;1427209121;asciilifeform;every intelligence service on the planet has own jargon word for these 1067870;1427209319;asciilifeform;yes, some crypto designers make mistake, they are good people, sure, whatever. i will borrow from slavoj žižek and say then 'we put them to a good wall, shoot them with a good bullet from a good gun, and bury them in with a good shove in the good earth' - since sure, they are good people. 1067871;1427209326;asciilifeform;*shovel 1067872;1427209345;nubbins`;heh 1067873;1427209353;asciilifeform;for the bad people - who deliberately sabotaged algo - bad wall, bad bullet, ..., bad earth 1067874;1427209370;nubbins`;gun was bad so we had to use the bayonets 1067875;1427209388;asciilifeform;bayonets so bad - spoons. 1067876;1427209395;asciilifeform;but overall picture should be clear at this point. 1067877;1427209398;nubbins`;the shovel was bad but wolves are always hungry 1067878;1427209400;fluffypony;wait so we should have no crypto designers? 1067879;1427209410;asciilifeform;fluffypony did not get it 1067880;1427209417;asciilifeform;we presently have many sappers 1067881;1427209422;asciilifeform;how many mistakes does a sapper make ? 1067882;1427209422;nubbins`;the crypto designer errs but once 1067883;1427209429;fluffypony;and then we shoot him 1067884;1427209436;asciilifeform;or at least fire him 1067885;1427209443;*;fluffypony gets his shotgun and his pitchfork 1067886;1427209443;asciilifeform;let him earn a living in some other way 1067887;1427209447;fluffypony;when do we start burning the jews? 1067888;1427209462;asciilifeform;fluffypony: when they all take up diddled crypto ? 1067889;1427209474;fluffypony;ok Monday at 3, then 1067890;1427209475;fluffypony;works for me 1067891;1427209482;fluffypony;:-P 1067892;1427209484;nubbins`;that's six days from now! 1067893;1427209491;asciilifeform;see, everybody's got these mental patterns, in the ru thinking sphere it is called 'tolerasty' 1067894;1427209497;fluffypony;on on the seventh day we'll rest, nubbins` 1067895;1427209503;nubbins`;ok 1067896;1427209513;asciilifeform;one has to work against one's upbringing, typically, to arrive at the message i was trying to pass here. 1067897;1427209528;nubbins`;;;ud tolerasty 1067898;1427209528;asciilifeform;that from -tolerasty- comes poettering & crew. 1067899;1427209529;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tolerast | Aug 6, 2012 ... tolerast. a mix of `tolerant` and `pederast`, hyper tolerant person, who will sacrifice all of his beliefs just to avoid being thought of as `intollerant`. 1067900;1427209535;*;nubbins` cackles, claps 1067901;1427209538;asciilifeform;^ l0l! in englisch at last 1067902;1427209612;nubbins`;example from link: "When a black guy works at Starbucks and one hesitates to ask him for `black coffee" 1067903;1427209615;mats;fun fact: the tor browser bundle uses the Windows heap instead of jemalloc 1067904;1427209623;nubbins`;poor example 1067905;1427209626;asciilifeform;mats: mega-l0l! 1067906;1427209630;asciilifeform;mats: i did not know this. 1067907;1427209640;nubbins`;(calling a black coffee a coffee without anything in it is sacrificing your beliefs?) 1067908;1427209646;mats;it makes heap grooming more reliably supposedly 1067909;1427209656;asciilifeform;aaaaha sure. 1067910;1427209657;mats;but, you know, bugs 1067911;1427209666;nubbins`;under your skin; everywhere 1067912;1427209684;nubbins`;let me find a relevant quote from a recent communique i received 1067913;1427209737;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/89espBZ1 1067914;1427209738;assbot;DONT WORRY MASSIVE EDIT Sat across from a serious man. He’s sunken himself - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPSmvQ ) 1067915;1427209759;asciilifeform;mats: let's put another example. if you are found holding a smoking pistol, with $famouspolitican in a bloody heap on the floor where he was not long ago giving a speech - do you suppose the judge would believe that you drew the pistol and pulled the trigger by accident, while reaching for another object in your pocket ? 1067916;1427209761;asciilifeform;if not, why not? 1067917;1427209776;asciilifeform;note the folks routinely shoot themselves and one another in not altogether dissimilar way 1067918;1427209802;asciilifeform;in some situations, 'benefit of doubt' is not - cannot - be given. 1067919;1427209931;mats;there is actual evidence of malfeasance by NSA on other counts, documented and sometimes committed to powerpoint glory 1067920;1427209940;asciilifeform;nubbins`: reads like burroughs 1067921;1427209970;mats;but i don't see that this is the case here. 1067922;1427209981;nubbins`;burroughs no doubt had some similar shit going on upstairs 1067923;1427209997;nubbins`;i have reams of this material 1067924;1427210013;asciilifeform;mats: if you have philosophical objections to 'behave as if X even if possibly ~X is true' then try to come up with some other syllogism. but it -must- end in 'the people who gave us heartbleed and dual_ec DO NOT GET TO MAKE CRYPTO ANY MORE' 1067925;1427210014;mats;show me the motherfucking evidence! you mean to tell me these bureaucrats decided not to commit anything to paper this go-around? 1067926;1427210025;mats;but did, all those other times? 1067927;1427210030;asciilifeform;the bloody corpse is the evidence 1067928;1427210034;asciilifeform;all the necessary evidence. 1067929;1427210050;asciilifeform;if the paperwork is missing - it isn't like we have all the usg archives on display! 1067930;1427210061;asciilifeform;hell, we don't even have 1% of the kgb archive. 1067931;1427210103;asciilifeform;when ever man and woman who ever worked at nsa dies under torture and doesn't say anything about dual_ec - then i might believe 'mistake' 1067932;1427210106;asciilifeform;but not before. 1067933;1427210136;asciilifeform;and then i will question the loyalty and competence of the torturer. 1067934;1427210145;asciilifeform;because how else. 1067935;1427210163;nubbins`;("he wanted it done quick, not right") 1067936;1427210195;mats;i guess you'll have to torture the interrogator. 1067937;1427210207;asciilifeform;'headsman, behead youself' aha 1067938;1427210276;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/rhqsdb4 1067939;1427210276;assbot; This snake's defense mechanism is to become a treble clef - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPUzYa ) 1067940;1427210276;asciilifeform;but in all seriousness, i was not arguing that 'the evidence exists somewhere damnit' (though i belive it) 1067941;1427210277;nubbins`;lelelelel 1067942;1427210287;nubbins`;"dude, just chill out, remember how much you like music?" 1067943;1427210291;asciilifeform;but that 'the evidence cannot be had and we must operate without it' 1067944;1427210298;asciilifeform;best as we can. 1067945;1427210326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00021425 = 5.442 BTC [-] 1067946;1427210368;asciilifeform;and that whatever else we conclude, the fella who wrote hearbleed doesn't get to say 'oops. i promise i won't do it again. now let me write some more critical code' 1067947;1427210474;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/6OsxazV.jpg 1067948;1427210475;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPVhVj ) 1067949;1427210486;nubbins`;^ packaged w/ mycelium entropy thingy 1067950;1427210578;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/304rt1/anyone_else_getting_tired_of_this_bullshit/ 1067951;1427210580;assbot;Anyone else getting tired of this bullshit blatant downward price manipulation? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPVHLD ) 1067952;1427210593;nubbins`;"anyone else getting tiredof having no control over our surroundings, or the world at large?" 1067953;1427210596;mike_c;;;ticker 1067954;1427210597;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.02, Best ask: 246.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 246.01, 24 hour volume: 55703.96526026, 24 hour low: 241.39, 24 hour high: 268.99, 24 hour vwap: None 1067955;1427210601;nubbins`;yes, reddit commentor. many others. 1067956;1427210626;mike_c;i blame whaleclub 1067957;1427210649;nubbins`;i blame the guy's teachers and parents 1067958;1427210653;fluffypony;do you speak whaaaaale? 1067959;1427210663;*;nubbins` burns another 10btc for show 1067960;1427210732;nubbins`;too bad you can't light cigars with these things 1067961;1427210814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9255 @ 0.00021425 = 1.9829 BTC [-] 1067962;1427211066;chetty; "anyone else getting tiredof having no control over our surroundings, or the world at large?"// no one ever controls the world at large :P get used to it 1067963;1427211279;nubbins`;but we're tiiiiiiiiiired 1067964;1427211298;nubbins`;of our inherent powerlessness 1067965;1427211334;nubbins`;this place has done more to fundamentally change my thought processes than six years at university 1067966;1427211455;ben_vulpes;hear hear 1067967;1427211536;nubbins`;block=184374 1067968;1427211552;nubbins`;this'll be what, about a week? 1067969;1427211565;ben_vulpes;'tis a miserable march. 1067970;1427211579;ben_vulpes;i've lost track of how many times i've done it. 1067971;1427211581;nubbins`;for the good of the republic 1067972;1427211582;ben_vulpes;aws, however, haas not. 1067973;1427211585;nubbins`;heh 1067974;1427211597;ben_vulpes;blocks for the block god 1067975;1427211873;chetty; this place has done more to fundamentally change my thought processes than six years at university// it is what a uni should be 1067976;1427212252;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-03-2015#1061123 ↔ https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Chimerical-color-demo.svg 1067977;1427212252;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 23:29:17; jurov: lol you insist on psychedelic and whatnot. i'm about normal brain function 1067978;1427212254;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ14du ) 1067979;1427212284;Adlai;from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color 1067980;1427212285;assbot;Impossible color - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ15OM ) 1067981;1427212307;jurov;so? 1067982;1427212330;thestringpuller;chetty: what university did you go to?!? lol 1067983;1427212362;Adlai;so nothing, just sharing an effect i wasn't familiar with before 1067984;1427212607;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-03-2015#1067856 << so when do we get op_ed25519verify 1067985;1427212607;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 14:55:51; fluffypony: DJB believes secp256k1 is broken 1067986;1427212705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00020476 = 3.2045 BTC [-] 1067987;1427212825;nubbins`;some of you may find this interesting, i found some pics from when i rebuilt my coffee roaster: http://imgur.com/WrXz3WY,CbtEo0O,uojejnr,A8KKjzG,yTGzvNA,Te8ddW5 1067988;1427212827;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ2FA9 ) 1067989;1427212880;fluffypony;lol Adlai 1067990;1427213010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00019938 = 3.4293 BTC [-] {2} 1067991;1427213095;nubbins`;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color#/media/File:Impossible_Colors,_Blue_and_Yellow,_for_3dTV.png 1067992;1427213097;assbot;Impossible color - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ3EQY ) 1067993;1427213100;asciilifeform;oh and mats, forgot to ask: why have you forgotten about the massive (iirc, 10-20 mil) usg bribe to rsa? 1067994;1427213100;nubbins`;^ adlai see you next week ;/ 1067995;1427213110;asciilifeform;mats: and what do you suppose it was for, if not dual_ec ? 1067996;1427213139;*;jurov is doing shit with lowlevel dbus interface.. and very first sample caused the introspection to timeout, how else 1067997;1427213149;Adlai;nubbins`: my eyes aren't that far apart 1067998;1427213154;asciilifeform;nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/6OsxazV.jpg << the bozo actually pasted that into #b-a if you recall 1067999;1427213154;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ3TeM ) 1068000;1427213158;nubbins`;gotta cross em duod 1068001;1427213174;nubbins`;in fact, i do not! 1068002;1427213174;asciilifeform;nubbins`: when i told him about sram behaviour below 0c 1068003;1427213182;Adlai;much less stressful to shrink the image and uncross 1068004;1427213186;asciilifeform;!s entropic 1068005;1427213187;assbot;19 results for 'entropic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=entropic 1068006;1427213202;nubbins`;rassah? 1068007;1427213220;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#757004 1068008;1427213220;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2014 20:23:09; Rassah: In our tests, it still had plenty of entropy at 0ºC, but it smoothly went down to zero entropy around -20º. Maybe we should put warning stickers on these things saying "Caution - Chaotic System. Do not use in low entropy environments above the Arctic or below the Antarctic circle, unless exposed to external sources of energy" :) 1068009;1427213223;asciilifeform;^ see thread 1068010;1427213224;Adlai;ahah '"Reddish green" redirects here. Reddish Green is also a place in Reddish, Stockport, in Greater Manchester in England.' 1068011;1427213243;nubbins`;:D 1068012;1427213252;nubbins`;dat #b-a fingerprint on device 1068013;1427213276;nubbins`;Reddish Green! 1068014;1427213305;asciilifeform;not that any rng will function especially well in the arctic, but that fella's insistence on baking a known-bad design was memorable. 1068015;1427213322;nubbins`;nevermind the arctic 1068016;1427213336;nubbins`;i'm at the 49th parallel, and i wouldn't be able to use one of these things outdoors in the winter. 1068017;1427213500;mats;RSA upheld their end by backdooring the BSafe product 1068018;1427213512;asciilifeform;i'll emphasize that it isn't a 'won't work in the cold' so much as 'entropy relying on sram effects degrades ungracefully' 1068019;1427213527;asciilifeform;mats: we know this how 1068020;1427213530;mats;that this happened at the same time as the push towards DUAL_EC as default looks incidental, not malicious 1068021;1427213560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22527 @ 0.00019753 = 4.4498 BTC [-] {2} 1068022;1427213573;asciilifeform;mats: and you concluded this based on what? the perpetrators' word ? 1068023;1427213620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14052 @ 0.00019609 = 2.7555 BTC [-] 1068024;1427213672;mats;same premise as before! no proof. 1068025;1427213775;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w2UxDdhZPk&feature=youtu.be 1068026;1427213776;assbot;Fritz Learns to Catch Compilation #1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ5GAD ) 1068027;1427213776;nubbins`;my sides 1068028;1427213843;nubbins`;man, if my goddamn roommate leaves the front door unlatched one more time, he's gonna find his possessions in the street 1068029;1427213863;nubbins`;i've asked him SEVEN FUCKING TIMES 1068030;1427213875;nubbins`;"just check it. it only takes a second." 1068031;1427213891;nubbins`;not sure how else to phrase it 1068032;1427214041;jurov;get your own room? 1068033;1427214048;mats;what i'm saying is that, as the evidence stands, i'm unable to take a firmer position on Dual_EC than the previously accepted consensus that the weakness being a backdoor is quite unlikely, and that Dual_EC should be shunned only because of the abundance of caution with regard to any issues that is endemic to the crypto field 1068034;1427214072;mats;by being excessively paranoid, you deprive yourself of a lot of useful engineering 1068035;1427214157;mats;the claim i'm most concerned about is that the weakness was engineered by NSA, and that, by having approved it, NIST was complicit, thus casting doubt on all other NIST standards 1068036;1427214182;mats;(not necessarily a claim made here -- but nonetheless) 1068037;1427214186;jurov;what's the difference wrt NSA? 1068038;1427214189;nubbins`;jurov i already phrased it that way :D 1068039;1427214194;nubbins`;just running down the clock now 1068040;1427214227;nubbins`;(just so we're clear, roommate in north america = "flatmate" in uk. we do not share rooms) 1068041;1427214273;nubbins`;mats NIST was either complicit or oblivious. both share the same implications. 1068042;1427214297;nubbins`;i.e. that all other NIST standards are cast under shadow 1068043;1427214328;nubbins`;consider that "NIST approved it without knowing that it was backdoored" is probably the least desirable of the two 1068044;1427214437;mats;this kind of innuendo with an utter lack of specifics divides reasonable people into two camps (maximally-paranoid, NIST is evil too, avoid all crypto standards vs. minimally-paranoid, no evidence for anything so we do nothing) 1068045;1427214458;mats;leaving us with no real basis for actually figuring out the situation. 1068046;1427214527;mats;and re: BSafe, i'm not convinced RSA could be sold on destroying their reputation for packing peanuts. 1068047;1427214530;nubbins`;you're implying we can figure out the situation 1068048;1427214553;nubbins`;and i'm saying that whether NIST is complicit or incompetent doesn't matter 1068049;1427214553;mike_c;what? i thought it was common knowledge rsa sold their soul. 1068050;1427214557;ben_vulpes;see malice and incompetence. 1068051;1427214614;mats;well shit. i guess we're all back to handcrafting our own crypto then huh. 1068052;1427214630;thestringpuller;https://slack.com/ << people keep trying to reinvent IRC 1068053;1427214670;mike_c;mats: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-security-rsa-idUSBRE9BJ1C220131220 1068054;1427214671;assbot; Exclusive: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ8uh3 ) 1068055;1427214695;mike_c;"RSA received $10 million in a deal that set the NSA formula as the preferred, or default, method for number generation in the BSafe software" 1068056;1427214841;pete_dushenski;triplescoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/23/want-to-drive-for-uber-first-you-need-to-make-some-mistakes/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/24/the-meta-solution/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/24/another-day-another-fissure-in-the-internet-this-time-ebay/ 1068057;1427214843;assbot;Want to drive for Uber ? First, you need to make some mistakes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ8Zrl ) 1068058;1427214844;assbot;The meta solution ? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ8ZHN ) 1068059;1427214845;assbot;Another day, another fissure in the Internet. This time : eBay. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ8ZYh ) 1068060;1427214904;nubbins`;<+mats> well shit. i guess we're all back to handcrafting our own crypto then huh. <<< no, that's not what we're saying 1068061;1427215230;pete_dushenski;!gettrust mats 1068062;1427215230;assbot;Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user mats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/pete_dushenski/mats | http://w.b-a.link/user/mats 1068063;1427215423;pete_dushenski;mats seems to be pushing his dual_ec point a bit. i'm... skeptical. 1068064;1427215615;pete_dushenski;nubbins`, re: jamaica << there's a spectrum of behaviours within the 'poor service' realm 1068065;1427215638;nubbins`;nod 1068066;1427215639;pete_dushenski;on one end is disinterest, a la paris or w/e, on the other end is entitlement 1068067;1427215659;nubbins`;why only two ends? it's a triangle 1068068;1427215666;pete_dushenski;you could argue that they both grate on different people in different ways, sure, but for me it's the latter that annoys 1068069;1427215685;nubbins`;what you see as entitlement is a desire to not waste time 1068070;1427215692;pete_dushenski;triangle with 'good service' at the third point ? 1068071;1427215705;nubbins`;no, realistic expectations 1068072;1427215727;pete_dushenski;what fucking 'wasted time' could jamaicans possibly have ? 1068073;1427215742;nubbins`;trying to lick your asshole for a buck? 1068074;1427215753;pete_dushenski;so they want to chill at the bar and smoke some weed instead of making a buck ? 1068075;1427215754;nubbins`;when there's 500 other tourists who will just cough one up? 1068076;1427215778;pete_dushenski;maybe they lick my asshole for a 100 though 1068077;1427215779;nubbins`;dude, people the world over want to chill at the bar and smoke some weed instead of making a buck. 1068078;1427215810;pete_dushenski;maybe they put in a bit more effort, because sure, i have standards, and maybe they get rewarded for it 1068079;1427215813;nubbins`;it's a buck. 1068080;1427215820;nubbins`;that's two maybes 1068081;1427215829;nubbins`;how much of your own time do you waste on maybes? 1068082;1427215849;nubbins`;i'd say 5% of the time, or less, "more effort" results in "reward" 1068083;1427215860;nubbins`;so why bother? 1068084;1427215870;pete_dushenski;non-linear payoffs are a thing 1068085;1427215890;pete_dushenski;if 5% chance yields >20x reward then +ev 1068086;1427215913;nubbins`;you're omitting a variable 1068087;1427215916;nubbins`;the extra time required 1068088;1427215945;pete_dushenski;ok, so 40x payoffs are also a thing 1068089;1427215951;nubbins`;ok, so 1% chance. 1068090;1427215955;nubbins`;let's both make up numbers 1068091;1427215961;pete_dushenski;or maybe it's more quality of time, not quantity i'm looking for 1068092;1427215968;nubbins`;maybe. 1068093;1427215980;nubbins`;consider that if your suggested approach worked, people would do it 1068094;1427215985;nubbins`;but they don't 1068095;1427215987;nubbins`;so............. 1068096;1427215998;pete_dushenski;in fact, my experience was that people gave me TOO MUCH time 1068097;1427216026;pete_dushenski;they'd walk up to me and want to show me this and that, start following me wherever i was going, trying to nudge me here and there 1068098;1427216050;pete_dushenski;they seemed to have an abundance of time but little notion of how to use it effectively (at least on me) 1068099;1427216067;thestringpuller;i'm an expert time waster, and wasting time is an art pete_dushenski 1068100;1427216090;pete_dushenski;jamaicans should have a museum dedicated to this art, i say. 1068101;1427216100;nubbins`;pete_dushenski minimum wage in jamaica is $1.25/hr. 1068102;1427216113;nubbins`;if they get two dollars pestering you for an hour, they're ahead. 1068103;1427216148;nubbins`;ten bucks is a day's work at an honest job 1068104;1427216173;nubbins`;why does it seem irrational that they'd harass tourists for money? 1068105;1427216183;nubbins`;consider how many of them just fork over the $$ to get rid of the guy 1068106;1427216194;pete_dushenski;ok, so now you're saying that it's worth their time to be of service to me... make up your mind 1068107;1427216232;nubbins`;i'm saying it's worth their time to try to get $$ out of tourists, but it's not worth their time to chase dead ends 1068108;1427216235;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: well it's in art in the sense of the Oracle from the Matrix. Once you realize there is a lot of "waiting" for events to occur, then it's best to spend the meanwhile in enjoyment. 1068109;1427216236;pete_dushenski;i don't see that harassment, jostling, or whatever you want to call it is effective 1068110;1427216254;nubbins`;pete_dushenski it's not effective --against you-- but it's *precisely effective* against the average vacationer. 1068111;1427216255;pete_dushenski;if it were, jamaica wouldn't be worse than marakesh 1068112;1427216269;nubbins`;these guys immediately realize that you're not some sucker who's gonna fork over a tenner 1068113;1427216273;nubbins`;so they leave you alone 1068114;1427216279;pete_dushenski;except they don't! 1068115;1427216281;pete_dushenski;that's the thing! 1068116;1427216304;nubbins`;ever? 1068117;1427216304;pete_dushenski;they waste their time on me. 1068118;1427216315;nubbins`;right. 1068119;1427216320;nubbins`;and they do this because.... 1068120;1427216323;nubbins`;....it sometimes works. 1068121;1427216332;nubbins`;sometimes they harass a guy for an hour and get a payday 1068122;1427216338;pete_dushenski;they all want to talk to the white kid with hair like them. i was the most popular thing on the street 1068123;1427216362;nubbins`;pete_dushenski understand that you're a wallet with an afro when you visit resorts 1068124;1427216378;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: hm. i can see it 1068125;1427216379;nubbins`;all behaviour you observe follows from this 1068126;1427216390;pete_dushenski;what fucking resorts ? 1068127;1427216411;pete_dushenski;these are cities i'm talking about. namely, ocho rios and kingston 1068128;1427216457;pete_dushenski;the point i'm making is that quality is more valuable than quantity 1068129;1427216468;pete_dushenski;(though yes, quantity does have a quality all its own) 1068130;1427216494;pete_dushenski;and i saw a fuckton of quantity and very little, but admittedly non-zero, amounts of quality 1068131;1427216548;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064047 << "the revenue" != "their revenue" 1068132;1427216548;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 14:04:46; nubbins`: "sourcing their ingredients from within spitting distance, thus keeping the revenue in the local economy" <<< you mean keeping their /expenditures/ in the local economy. their revenue goes elsewhere, unless they're the ones buying all the dimebags. 1068133;1427216608;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066610 << ha!! 1068134;1427216608;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 01:22:24; gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-03-2015#1055439 << http://imgur.com/SXdFiZx 1068135;1427216636;nubbins`;heh 1068136;1427216694;nubbins`;anyway tl;dr their approach works well enough for them 1068137;1427216712;nubbins`;if you're gonna upbraid them for not trying hard enough, why leave out the rest of the world? 1068138;1427216717;nubbins`;none of us are trying hard enough 1068139;1427216829;pete_dushenski;well, this'd be mp's recently identified economic meta problem 1068140;1427216861;pete_dushenski;to which i humbly proposed, above, immigration of workerbees. 1068141;1427216874;nubbins`;my recently identified pete's-blog-post-about-jamaica meta problem is that you identify entitlement as a problem but fail to realize that you're acting more entitled than these guys are 1068142;1427216877;nubbins`;8) 1068143;1427216889;pete_dushenski;there are plenty of people on the planet trying to improve their lot in life. 1068144;1427216891;nubbins`;"how dare they not realize i deserve red carpets and back rubs" 1068145;1427216911;nubbins`;"i'm non-black, after all, and i can afford to come here. what more must i do?!" 1068146;1427216936;nubbins`;what more, indeed 1068147;1427216938;nubbins`;brb 1068148;1427216939;pete_dushenski;that alone is a huge difference between me and kid scooping frozen fly guts 1068149;1427217013;pete_dushenski;they're not me and i'm not them, so ya, if we say words that sounds superficially similar, they have different contexts, thus different implications 1068150;1427217017;nubbins`;sure, but doesn't mean automatic handjobs for the guy who doesn't scoop fly guts 1068151;1427217057;pete_dushenski;well that's too bad 1068152;1427217078;pete_dushenski;in that case, why bother doing better than fly guts kid ? 1068153;1427217084;pete_dushenski;if we're all treated the same. 1068154;1427217097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20355 @ 0.00020627 = 4.1986 BTC [+] 1068155;1427217212;pete_dushenski;"An Airbus A320 crashed en route to Dusseldorf from Barcelona, likely killing all 150 people on board, in what would be the worst air accident on French soil in three decades. Germanwings Flight 9525 operated by the low-cost subsidiary of Deutsche Lufthansa AG went down in the French Alps following a rapid descent from cruising altitude, France’s civil aviation authority said." 1068156;1427217265;pete_dushenski;i guess cutting costs from air travel has consequences. who knew you can't race to the bottom indefinitely. 1068157;1427217277;pete_dushenski;this is assuming it wasn't hacked, shot down, etc. 1068158;1427217392;nubbins`;<+pete_dushenski> in that case, why bother doing better than fly guts kid ? <<< same reason one might bother to do worse: different tolerance for comforts or lack thereof 1068159;1427217399;nubbins`;low-cost airlines = no fun 1068160;1427217405;nubbins`;dat legroom 1068161;1427217421;pete_dushenski;and the paper thin seat cushions 1068162;1427217443;pete_dushenski;flying oz's jetstar made me appreciate air canada like nothing else 1068163;1427217483;nubbins`;flying air canada made me appreciate westjet like nothing else XD 1068164;1427217491;nubbins`;porter also gets points for free beer 1068165;1427217509;pete_dushenski;haven't flown porter yet. 1068166;1427217521;nubbins`;you ask for a beer and they just give you one, it's great 1068167;1427217527;pete_dushenski;i don't mind westjet, their staff are quite well trained 1068168;1427217535;pete_dushenski;dat customer service ! ;) 1068169;1427217561;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: different tolerance for comforts or lack thereof << i guess jamaicans have a higher tolerance for discomfort than i do 1068170;1427217575;pete_dushenski;perhaps a surprise to no one 1068171;1427217577;nubbins`;almost certainly 1068172;1427217634;pete_dushenski;given the mini-bus trip i took from the north of the island to the south, with 8 rows of people jammed, and i do mean jammed with mothers and children, 5 across 1068173;1427217637;pete_dushenski;with no a/c 1068174;1427217638;nubbins`;part of me feels this speaks to the relative lack of environmental stressors 1068175;1427217652;pete_dushenski;memorable experience. hell, i'd do it again. 1068176;1427217676;nubbins`;i recommend you keep doing it for the forseeable future :D 1068177;1427217696;nubbins`;(but srsly, marrakesh, you would not enjoy) 1068178;1427217768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8345 @ 0.00020248 = 1.6897 BTC [-] 1068179;1427217772;pete_dushenski;lol funny you should mention marrakesh, i was actually going to go to morocco instead of jamaica but didn't have the 2-3 weeks needed to make the haul worthwhile 1068180;1427217788;pete_dushenski;mebbe some day 1068181;1427217826;pete_dushenski;i should say, i had the 2-3 weeks, but chose to spread it out over two trips instead of 1 1068182;1427217852;pete_dushenski;next up: home of the chf 1068183;1427217884;pete_dushenski;"One of Britons' favourite places to visit in North Africa has been named the world's top destination by TripAdvisor users. With its desert landscape and bustling souks, Marrakech came out on top in the website's annual Travellers' Choice Awards for the first time." 1068184;1427217889;nubbins`;i went to marrakesh for a week 1068185;1427217893;pete_dushenski;^the wisdom of the crowds, i guess 1068186;1427217901;nubbins`;turns out, stupid length of trip 1068187;1427217916;pete_dushenski;no fez, no casablanca ? 1068188;1427217921;nubbins`;no time! 1068189;1427217940;pete_dushenski;lol 1068190;1427217944;pete_dushenski;guess not eh 1068191;1427217973;nubbins`;holed up in a hostel somewhere in the maze of souks for the week 1068192;1427217993;nubbins`;saw the countryside a couple days 1068193;1427218017;nubbins`;actually, touts aside, i'd go again for the food 1068194;1427218038;nubbins`;but straight up, there is a club med about 100 meters from the main square, and you can tell 1068195;1427218099;nubbins`;i'm not sure i'll be able to find a photograph that accurately captures what a bizarre juxtaposition this is, in the meantime 1068196;1427218148;pete_dushenski;heh, well if you do, toss it in here 1068197;1427218164;pete_dushenski;howdy Pierre_Rochard ! 1068198;1427218174;pete_dushenski;looks like you're coming just as i'm going.. 1068199;1427218178;Pierre_Rochard;howdy pete_dushenski 1068200;1427218205;Pierre_Rochard;well I saw crapple mentioned was coincidentally reading up on their developer chumpatronics: http://www.elischiff.com/blog/2015/3/24/fear-of-apple 1068201;1427218206;assbot;Critical Sharks Part IV: Fear of Apple — Eli Schiff ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKTAUp ) 1068202;1427218279;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: ships that pass in the night, gday! 1068203;1427218297;pete_dushenski;ya, it's not a pretty picture over in post-stevelandia 1068204;1427218303;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard: keep nubbins`occupied while i'm gone, wouldja ? 1068205;1427218305;pete_dushenski;cheers ! 1068206;1427218318;nubbins`;you're on the clock 1068207;1427218367;*;Pierre_Rochard clocks in, sighs 1068208;1427218745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.000213 = 4.2813 BTC [+] 1068209;1427218964;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067902 << all coffee is "black" at starbucks; if you want your coffee ruined, you have to do it yourself at the designated coffee ruining station 1068210;1427218964;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 15:06:52; nubbins`: example from link: "When a black guy works at Starbucks and one hesitates to ask him for `black coffee" 1068211;1427218981;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1068212;1427218993;ascii_field;from the lulzfarms: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/science/hydrogen-bomb-physicists-book-runs-afoul-of-energy-department.html 1068213;1427218996;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKUqR6 ) 1068214;1427219299;ascii_field;mats: your phrase 'avoid all crypto standards' is very much -not- the inevitable implication of dismissing usg crapolade 1068215;1427219307;ascii_field;-avoid all usg crypto standards- - yes 1068216;1427219382;ascii_field;mats: leaving us with no real basis for actually figuring out the situation. << know perfectly well that we -have- a real basis. any crypto standard promulgated by known malefactors is to be thrown out. and replaced not with iraqi caesar ciphers, no, but with derivation from first principles of perfectly reasonable modern crypto. 1068217;1427219623;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: what, precisely, was it that you wanted from the jamaicans ? 1068218;1427219626;ascii_field;i still don't get it 1068219;1427219720;danielpbarron;i get what he meant 1068220;1427219801;ascii_field;danielpbarron: the vibe i got was 'why won't they lick my boots, whatddayamean it isn't 1890 and i'm not a brit' 1068221;1427219855;ascii_field;but guess what, a modern italian can't go around proclaiming 'civis romanus sum' to any useful result, either 1068222;1427219903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22284 @ 0.00021568 = 4.8062 BTC [+] {3} 1068223;1427219979;mats;http://knoema.com/ahvcqac/global-oil-stock-levels-in-days-of-net-imports 1068224;1427219981;assbot;Global Oil Stock Levels in Days of Net Imports - knoema.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKVpkh ) 1068225;1427220150;ascii_field;'Recent revelations show that the situation has gotten so bad that today there are only approximately 3000 apps profitable enough to support a median income of $50k for their developer. It is also important to note that not all apps are built by one developer, many work as a team. So it follows that there are many fewer than 3000 developers sustainably doing independent development.' 1068226;1427220156;ascii_field;^ tournamentmarket lulz 1068227;1427220185;ascii_field;'According to reporting, "1.6 percent of developers earn more than the other 98.4 percent combined. And the bottom 47 percent of engineers earn less than $100 per month." Yet somehow, independent app development has often been described as a 'gold rush' despite it being quietly understood by developers, even as early as 2009, that this was hardly the case.' << does this person have any awareness of what the '49 goldrush 1068228;1427220185;ascii_field;is actually remembered for? 1068229;1427220192;ascii_field;or do words have no meaning to him 1068230;1427220297;chetty;ascii_field, most likely no real knowledge of the gold rush 1068231;1427220330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00021442 = 3.152 BTC [-] 1068232;1427220431;nubbins`;haha 1068233;1427220449;*;nubbins` wrote two iOS apps, submitted to overlord for review & put up for sale 1068234;1427220458;nubbins`;can verify, not reasonable way of making living 1068235;1427220478;*;ascii_field wrote one long ago, never published, wouldn't do it again 1068236;1427220500;nubbins`;(anyone with half a brain could probably extrapolate that doing work on speculation, in general, is not a reasonable way of making a living) 1068237;1427220512;nubbins`;fwiw i earned enough money to buy an ipad 1068238;1427220516;ascii_field;obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1008262 1068239;1427220516;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 09:57:56; punkman: "app rating farm" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg 1068240;1427220516;nubbins`;so i guess there's that 1068241;1427220523;ascii_field;^ how the 'making a living with apps' folks do it 1068242;1427220532;nubbins`;ha 1068243;1427220560;nubbins`;that's great 1068244;1427220578;nubbins`;"wait now, all those ipads are viewing the bitcoin forum" 1068245;1427220593;ascii_field;-these- and precisely -these- people will always be the first to swear to you that 'being a star just happens' 1068246;1427220621;nubbins`;ascii_field not unlike bitcoin, early "adopters" of writing ios apps scooped up most of the "free money" 1068247;1427220678;nubbins`;i.e. for about three weeks, way back at the start, writing a "fart app" could reasonably earn you several months' wages 1068248;1427220682;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#814511 1068249;1427220682;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2014 04:59:28; asciilifeform: church (evidently in some other piece, forget which) likens the vc circus to the process whereby american 'pop musicians' are industrially manufactured by, among other outfits, disney corp. 1068250;1427220710;ascii_field;the app 'gold mine' thing is precisely the 'disney entrepreneur farm' 1068251;1427220714;trinque;seems to be precisely the same mechanism 1068252;1427220756;ascii_field;nubbins`: not even speaking of 'early adopters' - but of who it is who owns the 'app' market -today- 1068253;1427220757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00022052 = 14.5543 BTC [+] {4} 1068254;1427220758;ascii_field;and why. 1068255;1427220782;nubbins`;i do know a guy who earns his living making mobile apps, but he's truly gifted and also concentrates on bespoke apps for product launch displays, interactive booths, etc 1068256;1427220795;trinque;the few low-tier VCs I've talked to werent' the slightest bit interested in the fact that a) we're already profitable and b) had a sane plan to become more so 1068257;1427220800;ascii_field;nubbins`: very different from the populist chumpatron, though 1068258;1427220801;nubbins`;i know of noone else who can support themselves, let alone a family, on iOS 1068259;1427220808;trinque;just "hey how are we going to chase this loyalty/social/... trend" 1068260;1427220812;nubbins`;almost so different as to not warrant mentioning 1068261;1427220833;nubbins`;nobody mentions how "angry birds" devs made, what was it? 52 failures before they hit that one 1068262;1427220834;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1068263;1427220853;nubbins`;fifty-two apps that had to be written, tested, submitted, accepted, promoted... 1068264;1427220881;nubbins`;anyway, i said it earlier 1068265;1427220881;ascii_field;article mentions gruber. who i recall very distinctly as an especially smarmy 'volunteer' apple propagandizer. he once sent fifty or so thousand morons to my site 1068266;1427220888;nubbins`;doign work on spec is fucking nuts 1068267;1427220890;ascii_field;when i blasphemed against his prophet 1068268;1427220900;funkenstein_;i refuse to admit that any creature would pay for an app 1068269;1427220900;nubbins`;doing work on spec where it has to pass through a single arbiter is /daft/ 1068270;1427220934;nubbins`;funkenstein_ i paid eight or so bucks for a GPS app, 10/10 would do again 1068271;1427220946;ascii_field;in other news, https://underhandedcrypto.com/2015/03/21/all-underhanded-crypto-entries 1068272;1427220948;assbot;All Underhanded Crypto Entries | Underhanded Crypto Contest ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKWkRN ) 1068273;1427220948;funkenstein_;one that had already been written? 1068274;1427220960;trinque;I've paid for a few apps, but my phone tends to be a mobile web browser 1068275;1427220961;nubbins`;funkenstein_ try asking a different way? 1068276;1427220971;nubbins`;trinque +1 1068277;1427220987;trinque;were the web not insane, there'd be no 'app stores' 1068278;1427220992;funkenstein_;software that has already been written is free 1068279;1427221015;ascii_field;^ 1068280;1427221030;trinque;funkenstein_: weird way of saying warez? or do you only use open source? 1068281;1427221044;danielpbarron;funkenstein_> i refuse to admit that any creature would pay for an app << I've paid for a few 1068282;1427221052;nubbins`;yeah i'm not sure what 1068283;1427221059;funkenstein_;i ran windows at one point too, not gonna brag about it though 1068284;1427221077;nubbins`;but to answer your impossibly odd question, yes, the GPS app that i purchased had already been written when i purchased it 1068285;1427221104;trinque;I'm not keen on intellectual property, but that's not what I (tell myself I) pay for when I buy software 1068286;1427221107;funkenstein_;i pay folks to write software, not to uh, well whatever it is you paid for 1068287;1427221117;danielpbarron;i paid for an app called "drafts" which had the selling point of being a no-nonsense text input and saving app 1068288;1427221121;nubbins`;funkenstein_ problem is, i can't get much of a GPS app written for $8. 1068289;1427221163;danielpbarron;isn't Waze free? 1068290;1427221164;ascii_field;danielpbarron: this is an ancient plague in the apple world. vendor releases an unusable os, and then various 'entrepreneurs' show up to expensively offer to paper over the turd, and users - oblige 1068291;1427221175;trinque;waze has an upsell iirc 1068292;1427221188;danielpbarron;i'm pretty sure i've never given waze any money 1068293;1427221194;trinque;so when do we fix the internet guys? 1068294;1427221196;trinque;is that next month? 1068295;1427221199;ascii_field;check out the many apps whose functionality sums up to one line of 'sed' on a sane machine 1068296;1427221212;nubbins`;funkenstein_ that said, if you know of a way i can turn my phone into a full-featured GPS unit for eight dollars, feel free to let me know 1068297;1427221215;trinque;need a sandbox which runs lisp code and can do rudimentary socket IO 1068298;1427221217;nubbins`;i'm sure others would be interested as well 1068299;1427221222;funkenstein_;what is a full featured gps unit? 1068300;1427221226;trinque;exchange pub key to get access 1068301;1427221230;funkenstein_;gives you two coordinates of your location? 1068302;1427221236;nubbins`;ah, we're doing pedantics here 1068303;1427221259;danielpbarron;i paid for the up-sells in an app called "unfollow" so that i could keep an exceptions list; had it remove it recently because it became too buggy 1068304;1427221279;nubbins`;no, it lets you create tracks, waypoints, PoIs, displays your avg speed and distance travelled, switch map overlays, blah blah 1068305;1427221286;funkenstein_;you are looking for good map software actually, GIS is what you mean to say 1068306;1427221291;trinque;best thing about gossipd is probably going to be writing software around it 1068307;1427221304;nubbins`;no, i have good map software and good free maps 1068308;1427221315;nubbins`;i'm looking for /bells and whistles/ 1068309;1427221335;nubbins`;if all i wanted was a map i'd take a fucking map 1068310;1427221337;mats;https://github.com/ryancdotorg/undercrypto2014 1068311;1427221338;assbot;ryancdotorg/undercrypto2014 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKWHf8 ) 1068312;1427221338;funkenstein_;i'm sure you can find what you are looking for 1068313;1427221346;nubbins`;i'm sure you're talking out your ass 1068314;1427221351;trinque;ehehehe 1068315;1427221362;funkenstein_;if not let me know i'll get you the apk or whatever for free 1068316;1427221371;ascii_field;mats: yours ? 1068317;1427221374;trinque;called it, warez 1068318;1427221379;danielpbarron;the nicksquatters are mad at eachother! 1068319;1427221388;nubbins`;funkenstein_ are we even speaking the same language here? 1068320;1427221399;trinque;funkenstein_: there's nothing wrong with paying for software 1068321;1427221410;trinque;I would like access to the source but that's a separate issue 1068322;1427221425;ascii_field;not long ago i paid for - air. 1068323;1427221425;funkenstein_;trinque, that depends who you pay and when 1068324;1427221427;ascii_field;for tires. 1068325;1427221427;nubbins`;"i paid eight bucks for a binary with neat features" "yeah? well i pay everyone to write the software i use. or i use free shit. you're a dummy, use free shit!" 1068326;1427221428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16086 @ 0.00022577 = 3.6317 BTC [+] 1068327;1427221438;ascii_field;didn't 'feel good' about it though 1068328;1427221438;mats; ascii_field: ha, no. a finalist from this year 1068329;1427221440;funkenstein_;i prefer to pay software developers for software 1068330;1427221448;nubbins`;as if my time is so valueless that i'm willing to give up a couple hours over EIGHT DOLLARS 1068331;1427221452;trinque;nubbins`: he git-tips a penny! good enough for anyone 1068332;1427221461;nubbins`;.... 1068333;1427221471;ascii_field;nubbins`: payware costing money is by far the least significant problem with it, in my experience 1068334;1427221480;trinque;funkenstein_: ascii_field may give you a beating if you claim you have full control over your software stack 1068335;1427221482;ascii_field;and i've used software packages costing six (usd) figures 1068336;1427221489;danielpbarron;yeah i really don't mind paying for nice things, software or otherwise 1068337;1427221492;ascii_field;(as i'm sure many others here have) 1068338;1427221507;danielpbarron;heck i recently paid 120 USD for OpenBSD cd sets 1068339;1427221513;nubbins`;<<< 1068340;1427221523;nubbins`;i'm not sure what's so hard to digest here 1068341;1427221542;nubbins`;"why would you purchase a moleskine notebook? just use vi" 1068342;1427221557;funkenstein_;danielpbarron did you send the 120 to an appstore? 1068343;1427221571;trinque;holy fuck 1068344;1427221573;nubbins`;;;calc 8*.3 1068345;1427221574;gribble;2.4 1068346;1427221576;trinque;funkenstein_: openbsd doesn't come from an app store 1068347;1427221583;funkenstein_;bingo 1068348;1427221589;danielpbarron;i used a credit card so... 1068349;1427221592;nubbins`;so of my eight bucks, $2.40 went to apple. 1068350;1427221606;funkenstein_;don't let it happen again ok? 1068351;1427221612;nubbins`;is there anyone present who would take on the job of finding me a piece of software compatible with my needs, for $2.40? 1068352;1427221634;funkenstein_;i'm happy to look around for free 1068353;1427221644;nubbins`;your time is your own to waste! 1068354;1427221649;nubbins`;my time has value 1068355;1427221653;danielpbarron;the better argument may be "don't use the kind of device that has an app store" or something 1068356;1427221655;funkenstein_;uh, and here we are 1068357;1427221667;nubbins`;no, you're there and i'm here 1068358;1427221683;danielpbarron;but seeing as how i have this stupid iphone, i really don't mind paying 1 to 10 USD for an app that actually works as described 1068359;1427221713;trinque;soon as there's a fully open and documented phone/computer, I'll buy that too 1068360;1427221719;funkenstein_;even though it has a detrimental effect on distribution and the software ecosystem 1068361;1427221722;danielpbarron;i don't care about the principle of the thing -- that a text input without cruft should just come with the thing 1068362;1427221736;nubbins`;ah get out 1068363;1427221760;danielpbarron;on a related note, i'm totally getting a moleskin notebook 1068364;1427221763;nubbins`;me buying a handheld garmin has a detrimental effect on distribution and the software ecosystem 1068365;1427221766;trinque;funkenstein_: you can moralize about any step in the supply chain of the thing 1068366;1427221770;nubbins`;you buying a car has the same effect 1068367;1427221776;danielpbarron;in the time it takes to unlock phone and open text app, i could have already written the idea down 1068368;1427221789;trinque;I've got a highly customized gentoo running all OSS.... on a fucking lenovo x1 carbon 1068369;1427221802;nubbins`;trinque lenovo? did it come with windows? 1068370;1427221803;trinque;still not sin-free (TM) 1068371;1427221809;trinque;nubbins`: yeah win 8.1 1068372;1427221810;nubbins`;^ 1068373;1427221819;nubbins`;thanks for having a detrimental effect on distribution and the software ecosystem, judas 1068374;1427221820;trinque;saying you can't escape 1068375;1427221827;trinque;nubbins`: :''( 1068376;1427221830;nubbins`;right? 1068377;1427221835;nubbins`;senseless wank-off 1068378;1427221860;trinque;or hell I get an "open computer" whatever that is 1068379;1427221865;ascii_field;there is no sensible 'pNohe', we already knew this 1068380;1427221867;trinque;now I want wireless internet 1068381;1427221870;trinque;fucked. 1068382;1427221906;nubbins`;but at least we have people happy to look around for free 1068383;1427221909;trinque;or the parts are completely open and NSA spent infinite money discovering hardware flaws 1068384;1427221914;trinque;and now I'm part of the NSA botnet 1068385;1427221916;trinque;not sin free 1068386;1427221925;nubbins`;i'll just pop on irc every time i'm tempted to pay two dollars to satisfy an impulse 1068387;1427221925;danielpbarron;the only software ecosystem that matters is right in here and i don't see it getting harmed by us paying for a gps app on our phones 1068388;1427221949;ascii_field;trinque: part of the NSA botnet << most of us will live and die without having the honour of an 0day spent (yes, they're used up when used, think about it) on our sorry hides 1068389;1427221954;nubbins`;danielpbarron "but if the gps app is closed source, it could be sending your location to the NSA" 8)8)8)8)8) 1068390;1427222011;danielpbarron;so then the argument is "don't use iphone at all" which is a much more sensible argument 1068391;1427222024;trinque;ascii_field: hm, I took the hard drive firmware situation to mean malware could hide and resurface without being detectable at the OS level 1068392;1427222039;trinque;I wouldn't know 1068393;1427222057;trinque;that led me to believe that they infect everyone, make almost all dormant 1068394;1427222078;trinque;this led me to thinking about how much of what I've heard through leaks is psyops 1068395;1427222101;danielpbarron;trending in social media == likely psyops 1068396;1427222162;trinque;ascii_field: makes sense though that they would treat these like fire-once weapons 1068397;1427222247;ascii_field;trinque: basic tradecraft - the more shocking the exploit, the louder will be the cry when it is discovered; the more victims - the sooner it ends up on, e.g., my desk, or that of 100,000 other folks who can pry it open 1068398;1427222259;mats;http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/ 1068399;1427222260;assbot;Project IceStorm ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKXug8 ) 1068400;1427222285;ascii_field;mats: neato, there was a similar project for xilinx 'virtex' 1068401;1427222291;ascii_field;mats: actually, at least two 1068402;1427222313;mats;how was their progress? 1068403;1427222330;ascii_field;mats: surprisingly usable 1068404;1427222332;ascii_field;but 1068405;1427222334;ascii_field;mats: the way the story normally ends is that the reversed fpga becomes quasi-usable nearly the same time it goes out of print and replaced with incompatible version... 1068406;1427222353;ascii_field;...and... 1068407;1427222360;ascii_field;'as long as no block memories or hard IP blocks are used' << ahahahahaha. 1068408;1427222362;ascii_field;academic turd. 1068409;1427222365;ascii_field;worthless. 1068410;1427222380;ascii_field;even something as simple as dram is not, in practice, usable without the 'hard' blocks 1068411;1427222383;ascii_field;on any fpga whatsoever 1068412;1427222389;ascii_field;the timing constraints are unforgiving. 1068413;1427222399;*;ascii_field bashed his head on this for most of a year, at one point 1068414;1427222406;ascii_field;also see old threads 1068415;1427222407;ascii_field;!s xilinx 1068416;1427222408;assbot;56 results for 'xilinx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xilinx 1068417;1427222409;mats;i didn't know that 1068418;1427222421;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA10nFyUQAAiegp.png https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA2qpYEUcAA3ByF.jpg:large 1068419;1427222421;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKXGfp ) 1068420;1427222422;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKXGfs ) 1068421;1427222662;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1068422;1427222770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.0002305 = 2.4664 BTC [+] 1068423;1427222874;jurov;http://animalous.com/ in the bottom, 33 reasons for lulz 1068424;1427222875;assbot;Animalous ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKY7q7 ) 1068425;1427222904;jurov;and the motivation, too 1068426;1427222953;ascii_field;'The library implements the AES block cipher in CTR mode and for the most part behaves as it is described in almost all circumstances it would normally be used in. Notably it passes all the FIPS and RFC test vectors for AES encoding and can interoperate with openssl. The library can be used in most any application where AES is needed and will behave appropriately. The library becomes exploitable specifically when it gets 1068427;1427222954;ascii_field;used as part of an implementation of IPSec over IPv6 in a resource constrained IP stack. In such a case, under normal operation the library will perform properly, interoperating with other IPSec aes-ctr hosts. But when it is triggered by a forged ICMPv6 packet it will lead to a full plaintext reveal. Another forged ICMP packet will restore the conforming behavior so that normal packet retries will mask the improper 1068428;1427222954;ascii_field;behavior.' 1068429;1427222961;ascii_field;^ winner of ucc 1068430;1427223451;ascii_field;from a runner-up: 1068431;1427223497;ascii_field;'Provides a working implementation of a backdoor embedded into the RSA modulus of a Certification Authority public-key certificate and the code for a minimalistic client and server communicating over a TLS channel:' 1068432;1427223502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6305 @ 0.0002305 = 1.4533 BTC [+] 1068433;1427223541;ascii_field;'Shows how this backdoor can completely pervert the security guarantees provided by the TLS protocol... even the presence of a single CA certificate with a secretly embedded backdoor in the certificate store would render the entire TLS security fictional...' 1068434;1427223570;ascii_field;(Alfonso De Gregorio) 1068435;1427223752;jurov;there's also ECDSA goodie "I have extended this attack to work in cases where there is a 1068436;1427223753;jurov;known difference between the key values used in two signatures" 1068437;1427223763;ascii_field;jurov: sop 1068438;1427223787;ascii_field;this was, iirc, actually fired in anger and coin was recovered 1068439;1427223860;ascii_field;incidentally, one of the entries is a diddled ecc curve 1068440;1427223893;ascii_field;'It is my aim to set a new high-water mark for transparency in parameter generation. To that end, all of these values are nothing-up-my-sleeve numbers which I generated by singing the Bohemian Rhapsody backward with my dog barking in the background, digitizing the audio as an MP3 at a bitrate of 192kbit/s, and taking every 17th byte of the result. Their integrity can easily be verified by repeating this procedure.' 1068441;1427223916;ascii_field;^ i won't spoil the riddle here 1068442;1427224000;jurov;can i borrow the dog? 1068443;1427224008;jurov;:D 1068444;1427224193;ascii_field;... and one of the submissions is a pwning of actual wild openssl when an idiot uses dsa. 1068445;1427224244;ascii_field;jurov: the rpm signature entry isn't yours by any chance ? 1068446;1427224265;ascii_field;i could've sworn you discovered this very item in the actual wild 1068447;1427224267;jurov;no, i have no entry 1068448;1427224276;jurov;which one? 1068449;1427224279;ascii_field;it's the one by S. Nicolussi 1068450;1427224420;jurov;ths is something different 1068451;1427224445;ascii_field;ah 1068452;1427224469;ascii_field;i highly recommend reading the ucc winners 1068453;1427224473;ascii_field;to all of the people here. 1068454;1427224510;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1068455;1427224547;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu es.qntra sounds cool Seperate wordpress install for it does seem necessary 1068456;1427224547;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1068457;1427224556;BingoBoingo;;;later tell cazalla es.qntra sounds cool Seperate wordpress install for it does seem necessary 1068458;1427224556;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1068459;1427224593;jurov;i was thinking at first "how is he patching yum or what?" but it's about principle 1068460;1427224612;jurov;that it is checking for error messages, not "GOOD signature" string 1068461;1427224681;mats;http://bitseed.me/product/blockchain-node-developer-version/ 1068462;1427224683;assbot;Bitseed Personal Server - Bitcoin Node Edition - Bitseed ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOuxoj ) 1068463;1427224697;mats;all the moar reason to sell pogos imo 1068464;1427224744;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1068465;1427224784;ascii_field;'OS is Ubuntu 14 with optional GUI desktop. It can support to a mouse, keyboard and HDMI monitor if desired' << l0l!! 1068466;1427224810;jurov;omfg... checked /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/rpmUtils/miscutils.py 1068467;1427224812;mats;http://i.imgur.com/09FTJTl.jpg pictured: one partially disassembled hellfire missile 1068468;1427224813;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOv2ic ) 1068469;1427224827;jurov;and it *really* does say: 1068470;1427224834;ascii_field;mats: yours ? 1068471;1427224842;jurov;if str(e) == "public key not availaiable": 1068472;1427224852;mats;(training round as indicated by green tip) 1068473;1427224863;jurov;on live cnetos installation 1068474;1427224867;mats;ascii_field: nah. acquaintance's. 1068475;1427224871;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067407 <<< i can figure it out, alternatively, another idea would be to just make another wordpress install in qntra.net/es/ 1068476;1427224871;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 09:25:50; mircea_popescu: cazalla you know how to set that shit up tho ? 1068477;1427224888;ascii_field;mats: what do these cost (assuming this was surplus ?) 1068478;1427224919;cazalla;BingoBoingo, there's also wordpress multisite, but i have never used it 1068479;1427224945;ascii_field;mats: and is that a flir camera head in the left hand side? another golden toilet 1068480;1427224965;mats;ascii_field: iirc bezzle rate for live rounds are 70k+ 1068481;1427224967;*;Adlai would call this a partly disassembled enclosure, the missile has its own insides too 1068482;1427225004;BingoBoingo;cazalla: They moved most of that functionality into wordpress, better to separate the things at a moving parts level anyways 1068483;1427225044;mats; ascii_field: i think so. i believe the tip is transparent like the 'Sidewinder' 1068484;1427225059;cazalla;the only downside to es.qntra.net would be that it won't benefit from the mother, a subdomain is essentially a brand new site (in the eyes of google) 1068485;1427225103;BingoBoingo;Ah 1068486;1427225166;ascii_field;mats: tip is normally transparent in heat-seekers 1068487;1427225247;ascii_field;mats: what precisely is the point of a training round rocket ? 1068488;1427225251;ascii_field;size-and-mass model ? 1068489;1427225310;mats;i can't explain it. 1068490;1427225310;Adlai;some training ordnances let you toggle in simulated errors 1068491;1427225336;*;Adlai doesn't know about this specific one 1068492;1427225341;ascii_field;judging only by the photo, the electronic components are in 1068493;1427225348;ascii_field;and one can presumably speak to them 1068494;1427225417;ascii_field;at any rate, such rockets have not really changed since the '70s 1068495;1427225421;ascii_field;there is nothing 'magic' in them. 1068496;1427225429;Adlai;iirc some training ordnance also simulates in-flight behavior of the real thing 1068497;1427225445;BingoBoingo;My guess is it is either for training pilots under load or training maintenance techs without a sapper's margin of error 1068498;1427225449;Adlai;... actually, there's a lot of new magic? 1068499;1427225463;*;Adlai is more familiar with anti-tank than anti-air though 1068500;1427225511;Adlai;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_(missile) 1068501;1427225513;assbot;Spike (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HABooQ ) 1068502;1427225576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00023303 = 1.6196 BTC [+] {2} 1068503;1427226043;ascii_field;if it is anything like the training version of 'strela' (man-portable surface to air rocket from ru, whose manual was discussed in here a few wks ago) the training variant lets you lock onto and track a target, but doesn't fly or explode. 1068504;1427226058;ascii_field;(or did we do 'igla' ? i forget) 1068505;1427226219;BingoBoingo;lol q&a at the end https://www.allcrypt.com/blog/2015/03/what-happened-and-whats-going-on/ 1068506;1427226221;assbot;What happened, and what’s going on « AllCrypt Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAE3yJ ) 1068507;1427226244;BingoBoingo;I think we did discuss igla 1068508;1427226249;BingoBoingo;!s igla 1068509;1427226249;assbot;4 results for 'igla' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=igla 1068510;1427226315;BingoBoingo;It's there 1068511;1427226332;nubbins`;ben_vulpes mod6 mircea_popescu and other interested parties: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz 1068512;1427226333;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAEBoj ) 1068513;1427226346;nubbins`;^ Compiling bitcoin-v0.5.3.1 on OSX 1068514;1427226597;BingoBoingo;!Up ascii_field 1068515;1427226674;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: nubbins`: any changes -not- in common with openbsd << For versions earlier than 5.7 and -current some wallet.cpp code needs changed to use better random 1068516;1427226809;mod6;great work nubbins`! 1068517;1427226813;mod6;thanks for posting. 1068518;1427226816;thestringpuller;ascii_field: axe time has begun 1068519;1427226842;ascii_field;thestringpuller: hm ? 1068520;1427226857;thestringpuller;you see the bitnode news? 1068521;1427226897;ascii_field;aha 1068522;1427226898;ascii_field;snore. 1068523;1427226909;ascii_field;doesn't cost any less than a normal computer 1068524;1427226922;ascii_field;(say, from 'pcengines') 1068525;1427227017;nubbins`;mod6 i should stress that *none* of the hardening options are included in that makefile, and it really should not be used for anything other than reference 1068526;1427227045;mircea_popescu;lol cazalla i just got it. 1068527;1427227137;nubbins`;mod6 but FWIW this process should generally be able to be applied to future releases as well 1068528;1427227138;ascii_field;thestringpuller: if they were passing these out for tenbux each, then. 1068529;1427227142;ascii_field;but otherwise snore 1068530;1427227157;nubbins`;i.e. 0.5.3.2 should patch just the same 1068531;1427227281;thestringpuller;ascii_field: snore for now, but if they start selling, they lower barrier to fork. 1068532;1427227291;thestringpuller;selling in volume* 1068533;1427227342;ascii_field;the photo suggests something like a 'raspberry' 1068534;1427227379;thestringpuller;just bad feeling seeing summer 2015 as their schedule and this aligns with gavin wanting to have enough dick's sucked to push his shit into github around then as well 1068535;1427227436;nubbins`;ascii_field i thought it was a raspi between two sheets of acrylic at first 1068536;1427227440;nubbins`;looks like similar class of hw 1068537;1427227445;nubbins`;commodity sbc 1068538;1427227487;nubbins`;.foundation 0.5.3.1 running on pogoplug w/ SD card is a stopgap here 1068539;1427227717;ascii_field;i think i've identified the board 1068540;1427227722;ascii_field;it is a 'banana pi.' 1068541;1427227787;ascii_field;not revealed in the phoundation site, of course 1068542;1427227800;ascii_field;but can be inferred from the port layout and the chipset in the spec sheet. 1068543;1427227960;mircea_popescu;ascii_field lol. 1068544;1427227972;mircea_popescu;the blessing of suck these people have srsly... 1068545;1427228001;mod6;# Modified March 22 2015 by Satoshi Nakamoto for La Serenissima << :] 1068546;1427228019;nubbins`;dat paying for a needless gpu, hdmi, etc 1068547;1427228034;mircea_popescu;lol win 1068548;1427228034;ascii_field;nubbins`: them's chumps paying 1068549;1427228057;nubbins`;i wonder how much $$ pogo boards could be had for in quantity 1068550;1427228060;nubbins`;(if at all) 1068551;1427228082;ascii_field;nubbins`: probably ~19 usd forever until they run out 1068552;1427228087;ascii_field;upon which $maxint. 1068553;1427228099;mircea_popescu;hemeans just the boards. 1068554;1427228105;nubbins`;lel. i know, i mean actually having just the boards produced 1068555;1427228108;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the plastic casing is at least as valuable as the boards. 1068556;1427228113;nubbins`;mircea_popescu +1 1068557;1427228121;nubbins`;it comes with a fucking 3-foot cat5! 1068558;1427228127;nubbins`;and a power supply too! 1068559;1427228128;ascii_field;and dc brick 1068560;1427228130;ascii_field;aha 1068561;1427228138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21678 @ 0.00023498 = 5.0939 BTC [+] 1068562;1427228138;ascii_field;and don't forget the steel heat sink in there 1068563;1427228146;nubbins`;and so on! 1068564;1427228146;mircea_popescu;^ 1068565;1427228162;nubbins`;so what i'm wondering is what you're looking at for, say, 10k units without all that fluff 1068566;1427228164;ascii_field;i'll add that the case is not merely decorative 1068567;1427228171;ascii_field;it holds the heatsink in place, and cradles the hdd 1068568;1427228189;mircea_popescu;nubbins` 10k is not in quantity noob. 1068569;1427228194;ascii_field;^^ 1068570;1427228198;nubbins`;lel you're right hey 1068571;1427228198;mircea_popescu;10mn, you can prolly have for ~7-8 or so 1068572;1427228224;ascii_field;rupees. 1068573;1427228246;nubbins`;i obv have no idea as to scale here 1068574;1427228265;ascii_field;10 mn, i'd stuff it all on one die. 1068575;1427228287;ascii_field;and a socket on the side for another identical unit, for when the flash fills. 1068576;1427228300;ascii_field;ad infinitum. 1068577;1427228312;ascii_field;(ethernet socket on other hand side, naturally) 1068578;1427228338;ascii_field;like 'lego blocks' 1068579;1427228422;*;nubbins` shrugs 1068580;1427228443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8147 @ 0.00023239 = 1.8933 BTC [-] 1068581;1427228459;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1068582;1427228611;nubbins`;pogo is what, marvell kirkwood? 1068583;1427228615;thestringpuller;http://bitseed.me/product/blockchain-node-developer-version 1068584;1427228620;ascii_field;nubbins`: aha 1068585;1427228622;thestringpuller;^- posted by same dude on reddit 1068586;1427228623;ascii_field;!s marvell 1068587;1427228624;assbot;13 results for 'marvell' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marvell 1068588;1427228640;nubbins`;might be worth contacting /them/ 1068589;1427228665;nubbins`;if anyone'd have a handle on someone down-chain who has however many k units.. 1068590;1427228667;ascii_field;nubbins`: for what ? 1068591;1427228673;mircea_popescu;Storage4 GB NAND Flash 1068592;1427228673;mircea_popescu;160 GB HDD 1068593;1427228676;mircea_popescu;ahaha this is exactly a pogo 1068594;1427228683;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it's a 'banana pi' 1068595;1427228687;ascii_field;retails for around $60. 1068596;1427228693;mircea_popescu;i mean performance wise. 1068597;1427228694;ascii_field;sand disk, brick, case 1068598;1427228703;ascii_field;slightly faster than pogo, iirc 1068599;1427228714;ascii_field;*sans 1068600;1427228744;ascii_field;pogo has 128m flash also 1068601;1427228764;nubbins`;wait, 4gb nand! 1068602;1427228781;ascii_field;nubbins`: for what do you need a 4g nand ? 1068603;1427228787;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but the 4gb is only because they run crud. 1068604;1427228793;ascii_field;mircea_popescu has it 1068605;1427228797;mircea_popescu;in no way better than 128mb with deturdified os 1068606;1427228802;ascii_field;but iirc that board comes with it on 1068607;1427228810;nubbins`;ascii_field that's what i'm wondering :0 1068608;1427228818;ascii_field;you can't get it without the extra bells & whistles 1068609;1427228831;mircea_popescu;anyway, speaking of this, what was the status of teh pogo project ? we ready to bake ? 1068610;1427228861;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if you ask me, releasing the memleak version is lunacy 1068611;1427228870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00022994 = 6.4843 BTC [-] 1068612;1427228870;ascii_field;regardless of what else works 1068613;1427228915;mircea_popescu;you can't postpone everything until everything else just like you can't have everything louder than everything else. 1068614;1427228941;ascii_field;i specifically mean that a node running bitcoincrashcrashcrash is dangerous to itself and others. 1068615;1427228960;mircea_popescu;how ? 1068616;1427228968;ascii_field;nondeterministic behaviour 1068617;1427228972;mircea_popescu;all bitcoin nodes run that o.O 1068618;1427228978;ascii_field;if i could quantify it, it wouldn't be nondeterministic, would it 1068619;1427228986;ascii_field;i meant that it trashes state unpredictably 1068620;1427228988;ascii_field;upon death 1068621;1427228995;chetty;http://www.wired.com/2015/03/stealing-data-computers-using-heat/ 1068622;1427228996;assbot;Stealing Data From Computers Using Heat | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL7dTB ) 1068623;1427229006;mircea_popescu;inb4 ascii_field snore. 1068624;1427229009;danielpbarron;nubbins`> it comes with a bobbaing 3-foot cat5! << most do; not all -- the power supply also varies in shape 1068625;1427229017;ascii_field;chetty: ancient tech 1068626;1427229022;nubbins`;danielpbarron uh 1068627;1427229029;mircea_popescu;he'd know. 1068628;1427229046;ascii_field;chetty: a certain semiconductor vendor had a heat-based tattletale mechanism for detecting clones 1068629;1427229062;ascii_field;transmitted a few bytes with small variations in surface temp 1068630;1427229094;nubbins`;dat impure word replacement 1068631;1427229094;chetty;yeah old tech, but showing up in more mainstream sorts of pubs is interesting 1068632;1427229113;ascii_field;the receiver here is the built-in thermistor found in most servers 1068633;1427229116;ascii_field;which is mildly clever 1068634;1427229156;ascii_field;'The two systems would then engage in a handshake, involving a sequence of “thermal pings†of +1C degrees each, to establish a connection. ' << stopped reading here 1068635;1427229168;ascii_field;noise sensitivity makes it hopeless in the wild 1068636;1427229181;ascii_field;(a passing draft will drop your channel capacity to nothing ?) 1068637;1427229199;nubbins`;a passing draft will drop your outdoor coffee roaster by 20C 1068638;1427229221;nubbins`;wait, that conversation was from somewhere else 1068639;1427229266;danielpbarron;how hard would it be to get OpenBSD on a pogo? I've been idling in their channel but I'm not sure how productive it would be to just go "hey someone should start supporting this architecture for my pet project!" 1068640;1427229278;ascii_field;danielpbarron: same problem as netbsd 1068641;1427229297;ascii_field;(no support for the nand; bizarre bugs in other drivers) 1068642;1427229320;danielpbarron;i don't mind paying someone to do it, but i probably can't afford whatever that kind of work is worth 1068643;1427229333;ascii_field;i would do it pro bono but haven't the time 1068644;1427229341;ascii_field;(i know exactly how) 1068645;1427229358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00023035 = 1.9695 BTC [+] {2} 1068646;1427229366;danielpbarron;i got your netbsd kernel to boot on the pogo; this is possible with openbsd as well? 1068647;1427229377;ascii_field;haven't tried personally 1068648;1427229389;ascii_field;but iirc the device support of openbsd is a subset of netbsd's 1068649;1427229415;nubbins`;was bsd chosen because of smallest footprint or other? 1068650;1427229435;danielpbarron;http://www.openbsd.org/armish.html << this is it? 1068651;1427229436;assbot;OpenBSD/armish ... ( http://bit.ly/1HARjU5 ) 1068652;1427229438;nubbins`;i recall you saying a bare bones install could be impossibly tiny 1068653;1427229445;BingoBoingo; was bsd chosen because of smallest footprint or other? << small footprint no crud 1068654;1427229464;danielpbarron;i wouldn't mind gentoo 1068655;1427229479;mircea_popescu; (a passing draft will drop your channel capacity to nothing ?) << BUT DRM IN AUDIO WORKS!!! 1068656;1427229612;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ? 1068657;1427229629;mircea_popescu;apparently ascii_field wants a provably-correct stack of five layers of software before we ship out ten dollar items. 1068658;1427229662;ascii_field;neh just something that isn't guaranteed to kark its breeks after 40min 1068659;1427229681;mircea_popescu;40 mins is the new 2 weeks 1068660;1427229698;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what was the current block count on those things ? 1068661;1427229706;ascii_field;anyone who wants an illustration of roughly what has to be done, is invited to read my skull&crossbones patch 1068662;1427229712;danielpbarron;height=295831 vs height=216046 1068663;1427229716;mod6;For me, and I might be wrong here, but fixing that is a huge chunk of work. I'd have to break it down to give a decent estimate. But I'd guess 6 months or more, easy. 1068664;1427229721;mircea_popescu;remind me, what are the configs on them ? 1068665;1427229732;mircea_popescu;mod6 i am of the same persuasion. 1068666;1427229744;mircea_popescu;if we live to see it we've lived a long life. 1068667;1427229750;mod6;srsly. 1068668;1427229754;ascii_field;wai wat 1068669;1427229756;ascii_field;fixing leak ? 1068670;1427229773;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you familiar with how long current foundation patch took ? 1068671;1427229783;mircea_popescu;or anything else for that matter, deedbot, cardano, eulora, name it. 1068672;1427229799;mircea_popescu;i'm just about to release v5 eulora here AFTER A YEAR 1068673;1427229799;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: one of these things is not like the other, i think 1068674;1427229803;mircea_popescu;and that was a year of fucking work. 1068675;1427229803;ascii_field;phoundation has no day job 1068676;1427229810;ascii_field;they ought to have gone 100x faster. 1068677;1427229812;mircea_popescu;o it doesn't ? why not ? 1068678;1427229815;chetty;fisrt version of eulora was fast :) 1068679;1427229824;mircea_popescu;o look at those kulaks over there... THEY have to do things right. 1068680;1427229826;mircea_popescu;julia. not us. 1068681;1427229835;ascii_field;gavin or whoever - isn't he a full-time dev for turdation ? 1068682;1427229849;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-config.txt 1068683;1427229850;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8nP1 ) 1068684;1427229850;mircea_popescu;yes and he's doing his job to the best of his abilities. 1068685;1427229852;mod6;Our goal is to get this resolved, but I think it seriously is going to take some effort. Part of going forward from this release is going to be breaking down goals and getting them lined up. I have high hopes to discuss much of this at the Cnof. 1068686;1427229855;mircea_popescu;except he's currently rated F for failure. 1068687;1427229856;mod6;*Conf 1068688;1427229872;mircea_popescu;mod6 speaking of which, you never answered email. 1068689;1427229914;mod6;Sorry! I'll get you something tonight :) 1068690;1427229925;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/03/thermal-sidechannel-carries-8-bits-per-hour-in-proof-of-concept/ 1068691;1427229926;assbot;Thermal Sidechannel Carries 8 Bits Per Hour in Proof of Concept | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8t9o ) 1068692;1427229930;mircea_popescu;just making sure you got it. 1068693;1427229934;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: we just did that one 1068694;1427229946;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: I'd already started on it 1068695;1427229948;mircea_popescu;he writes for qntra! 1068696;1427229950;mod6;Yes, Sir. Should have responded lastnight, just got distracted hacking together my obsd lappy. 1068697;1427230003;ascii_field;mod6, mircea_popescu: depending on what it means to fix the leak (total replacement for block sync mechanism and a mathematical proof for it? or something more like my patch ?) it could take anywhere from a weekend to maxint days 1068698;1427230037;mod6;yeah, im talking about an all encompassing approach .. many small steps, the former. 1068699;1427230046;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i meant, how are they different. 1068700;1427230061;mod6;Anything worth doing, is worth doing right. 1068701;1427230061;danielpbarron;refresh, i just added the other 1068702;1427230072;danielpbarron;oh you mean parts? 1068703;1427230076;danielpbarron;different hard drives 1068704;1427230083;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the way system engineering is done, is either do not fix a problem, or else fix the problem. adding a problem++ to the list at the cost of a weekend is not on this list. 1068705;1427230091;danielpbarron;one is solid state; other is 5400 rpm 1068706;1427230100;mircea_popescu;that it ? 1068707;1427230102;danielpbarron;ya 1068708;1427230108;mircea_popescu;aha cool. 1068709;1427230156;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: adding a problem++ to the list at the cost of a weekend is not on this list << astute observation, which is why my patch was specifically labeled as a proof to nail down the locus of the problem, and not an item to be used on the battlefield. 1068710;1427230177;mircea_popescu;cool. so then, these things are pretty much ready to launch are they ? 1068711;1427230177;danielpbarron;i also had one going that was using a USB3 stick -- stopped it after a week or so when it was clearly way too slow 1068712;1427230199;danielpbarron;they are not up to the defined spec 1068713;1427230201;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron link me to your last version of "how to" again plox ? 1068714;1427230202;ascii_field;http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/03/woman-held-in-psych-ward-for-saying-obama-follows-her-on-twitter-even-though-he-actually-does 1068715;1427230203;assbot;Database Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8MRu ) 1068716;1427230210;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what's the shortcoming again ? 1068717;1427230217;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt 1068718;1427230218;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8NFe ) 1068719;1427230231;danielpbarron;this howto is more for developers 1068720;1427230239;nubbins`;woo 1068721;1427230249;nubbins`;i have pogo x2 on the way, i'm gonna dig into this 1068722;1427230256;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron hoply shit, this thing... dude... 1068723;1427230258;mircea_popescu;what do you work irl ? 1068724;1427230276;mircea_popescu;i haven't seen asciiart technical drawings in documents since the 90s. 1068725;1427230279;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1068726;1427230294;danielpbarron;the shortcoming is it's using ArchLinux, doesn't boot from eeprom, requires a great deal of user setup to get working 1068727;1427230294;trinque;all danielpbarron's docs rule 1068728;1427230298;mircea_popescu;cool beans nubbins` 1068729;1427230334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9311 @ 0.00022906 = 2.1328 BTC [-] 1068730;1427230347;danielpbarron;would have to be shipped with SD card already configured if the end user is to just plug in a hard drive and forget about it 1068731;1427230402;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what's your job offline ? 1068732;1427230411;danielpbarron;it's a seasonal warehouse thing 1068733;1427230419;mircea_popescu;shut up. 1068734;1427230424;danielpbarron;LTL 1068735;1427230426;mircea_popescu;you're a tchnical / manual writer. 1068736;1427230439;mircea_popescu;stop wasting your time with whatever. you have any idea what shortage is for these ? 1068737;1427230451;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, what it pays ? 1068738;1427230475;nubbins`;^ truth sauce, almost took this up as a career 1068739;1427230485;mircea_popescu;no but this nut's fucking talented, look at this thing. 1068740;1427230489;nubbins`;<+danielpbarron> would have to be shipped with SD card already configured if the end user is to just plug in a hard drive and forget about it <<< that is actually preferable for almost everyone who would buy this 1068741;1427230493;danielpbarron;it's not complete btw 1068742;1427230501;mircea_popescu;you have any idea how fucking ~rare~ an actual talent for technical writing is ? 1068743;1427230510;nubbins`;very 1068744;1427230511;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron srsly. look into it. 1068745;1427230529;danielpbarron;well i'm also really good at LTL, heh 1068746;1427230535;*;nubbins` did well enough at this in uni to get pulled into strange prof's office for praise once 1068747;1427230546;danielpbarron;"logistics" or w/e they call it 1068748;1427230549;nubbins`;and i wouldn't call myself, y'know, outstanding 1068749;1427230560;danielpbarron;i move millions of dollars worth of stuff over the course of a month or two 1068750;1427230572;mircea_popescu;is ltl where you load trucks all day ? 1068751;1427230606;danielpbarron;ya, and schedule them 1068752;1427230613;danielpbarron;and get the orders ready for them 1068753;1427230613;mircea_popescu;aha. well... your lyf, your calls. 1068754;1427230630;mircea_popescu;i wish upon my enemies to be here with me 1068755;1427230636;mircea_popescu;and enjoy the fucking TONEDEAF PARADE 1068756;1427230642;mircea_popescu;thousands of people! 1068757;1427230708;danielpbarron;good to know there are other options; i woudln't mind supplementing my income 1068758;1427230717;danielpbarron;especially with food costing what it does these days 1068759;1427230721;mircea_popescu;o.O 1068760;1427230723;danielpbarron;i'm getting slaughtered at the supermarket 1068761;1427230747;mircea_popescu;"dude, get into this thing you're great for it pays excellent" "oh, i do ok... and i know what food costs." "listen to me... you're not supposed to know what food costs." 1068762;1427230838;nubbins`;if you did, you'd not eat it 1068763;1427230839;mircea_popescu;anyway. so archlinux ? what happened to netbsd or w/e ?! 1068764;1427230843;mircea_popescu;shit im behind. 1068765;1427230874;BingoBoingo;There's concurrent pogo threads 1068766;1427230909;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo im gonna unwind this thing cause i think it ran into a problem. 1068767;1427230924;mircea_popescu;soo where them threads lead. 1068768;1427230927;mircea_popescu;see* 1068769;1427230944;nubbins`;if we're talking about a "pogo node" as a kit that one can purchase, i think, it's fine to start with w/e distro, booting from SD, skull-and-crossbones patches, w/e 1068770;1427230953;BingoBoingo;Well, the pogo hardware was never marketed with multithreading 1068771;1427230981;nubbins`;all else aside, owning one of these pogos is an opportunity 1068772;1427230987;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron so what exactly is it, how did it end up on arch ? 1068773;1427231003;nubbins`;if it's got a real version of bitcoind that works enough to use, all the better 1068774;1427231097;nubbins`;nobody who can't follow some simple instructions to flash nand down the road and reclaim their SD card is gonna buy one anyway 1068775;1427231130;nubbins`;find any forum thread anywhere about pogoplugs being sold at these prices, most of the responses are "!!!!!!!!!" 1068776;1427231155;mircea_popescu;lol 1068777;1427231489;danielpbarron;there was already a guide written for getting it to work on arch 1068778;1427231539;danielpbarron;and then later i found a guide for debian, but the bitcoind was still dynamic and wouldn't work on it 1068779;1427231545;mircea_popescu;ah so because easier ? 1068780;1427231551;mircea_popescu;is the current arch thing static ? 1068781;1427231554;danielpbarron;no 1068782;1427231570;danielpbarron;it's from ascii's portatronic instructions 1068783;1427231590;danielpbarron;easier yes, in that i don't know any alternatives that work yet 1068784;1427231612;danielpbarron;i think another unsolved problem is that we don't know how to compile a linux kernel that works 1068785;1427231623;danielpbarron;or else maybe gentoo would work on it 1068786;1427231671;mircea_popescu;so basically, you put archlinux according to ascii_field's brew on the pogo, and then compiled a static foundation bitcoind and loaded that up, and that's what we have now ? 1068787;1427231679;trinque;danielpbarron: you can use localmodconfig for that 1068788;1427231683;trinque;make localmodconfig 1068789;1427231690;danielpbarron;no, i compiled the dynamic foundation bitcoind 1068790;1427231692;trinque;build it on a working linux, and you'll get a kernel config 1068791;1427231697;trinque;with all current mods 1068792;1427231727;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron because static didn't work because ? 1068793;1427231735;danielpbarron;it didn't exist at the time 1068794;1427231737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00022806 = 6.2032 BTC [-] {3} 1068795;1427231748;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr 1068796;1427231748;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC) 1068797;1427231750;mircea_popescu;mod6 do we have it yet ? 1068798;1427231756;danielpbarron;yeah the current release is static 1068799;1427231758;nubbins`;bbl supper but quite interested in getting this sorted 1068800;1427231759;thestringpuller;!t m s.mpoe 1068801;1427231759;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00019609 / 0.00022358 / 0.00025613 (1502516 shares, 335.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00019609 / 0.00028609 / 0.00033536 (17959206 shares, 5,138.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00019609 / 0.00034985 / 0.0004493 (81624050 shares, 28,556.94 BTC) 1068802;1427231774;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron can you try it ? on a like... 3rd pogo ? 1068803;1427231777;danielpbarron;sure 1068804;1427231780;mircea_popescu;cool. 1068805;1427231795;mircea_popescu;so then the master here becomes, arch as per ascii, static as per current foundation release. 1068806;1427231798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7869 @ 0.00022558 = 1.7751 BTC [-] 1068807;1427231800;mircea_popescu;any questions ? any laments ? 1068808;1427231801;danielpbarron;i tried to build it for my gentoo laptop and it errored out 1068809;1427231821;danielpbarron;it's for 64 bit systems atm 1068810;1427231824;danielpbarron;and mine is 32 1068811;1427231834;danielpbarron;idk if this also means it won't work on pogo or what 1068812;1427231849;mircea_popescu;wait, gentoo stopped supporting 32 bit ? 1068813;1427231859;danielpbarron;no, 0.5.3.1 did 1068814;1427231891;mircea_popescu;oh right. 1068815;1427231898;mircea_popescu;shit. don't tell me the pogos are 32bit ?! 1068816;1427232082;trinque;it would appear to be 32bit arm 1068817;1427232119;mircea_popescu;o fucking hell check out the gross mismanagement i managed to bless the world with. 1068818;1427232175;thestringpuller;!up assbot 1068819;1427232180;thestringpuller;r 1068820;1427232184;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1068821;1427232594;mircea_popescu;mod6 so the emerging problem here is that while i said "ok" to 64 bit only foundation bitcoind, it turns out when need 32 bit support for our own fucking projects, which notably is the pogo. 1068822;1427232618;mircea_popescu;now, can we has static etc 32 bit ? 1068823;1427232659;thestringpuller;is netbsd still going to be the pogo "base"? 1068824;1427232674;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, no way! 1068825;1427232694;danielpbarron;is it being 32 bit a problem beyond getting bitcoind working? 1068826;1427232742;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron which bitcoind ? 1068827;1427232765;danielpbarron;our version 1068828;1427232779;mircea_popescu;seems that's 64 bit only now o.O 1068829;1427232801;danielpbarron;i was lead to believe that getting it to work on 32 bit wasn't that big of a deal, just low priority 1068830;1427232826;danielpbarron;i mean, is the pogo being 32 bit a bigger problem? like is 32 bit becoming obsolete or something? 1068831;1427232836;danielpbarron;http://www.openbsd.org/images/poster31.jpg << theme for 5.5 was "back to the future" -- something about how 32 bit is a problem for unix time 1068832;1427232837;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HySUqb ) 1068833;1427232883;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron everything's becoming obsolete eventually. but no, this isn't that. 1068834;1427233120;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055407 1068835;1427233120;assbot;Logged on 17-03-2015 15:07:01; mod6: anyway, it certainly is a goal to support x32. it'll just be in the next release. this has been dragging out too long. 1068836;1427233183;nubbins`;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3324 1068837;1427233184;assbot;Bitcoin is running 32 bit systems out of virtual memory · Issue #3324 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTPPSZ ) 1068838;1427233258;nubbins`;<+danielpbarron> i also had one going that was using a USB3 stick -- stopped it after a week or so when it was clearly way too slow <<< how far'd you get? 1068839;1427233285;danielpbarron;well i didn't start it from scratch; I copied .bitcoin from the sata one 1068840;1427233305;danielpbarron;http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Adanielpbarron+vs 1068841;1427233306;assbot;40 results for 'from:danielpbarron vs' - #bitcoin-assets search 1068842;1427233333;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that doesn;t apply : this is pre leveldb 1068843;1427233345;nubbins`;ah look at that 1068844;1427233369;mircea_popescu;they think "it may be fixed" because "anectodally" it doesn't seem to have displayed the behaviour. 1068845;1427233384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00022541 = 7.123 BTC [-] {2} 1068846;1427233387;mircea_popescu;basically, this would be prima facie evidence that the code the power rangers sign has very little to do with them. 1068847;1427233400;mircea_popescu;they get it from a dead drop or something, and well, whatever. go to conferences. 1068848;1427233414;nubbins`;the avionics systems haven't failed since last time, so we're pretty sure it may be fixed 1068849;1427233416;nubbins`;seeya in the sky 1068850;1427233431;mircea_popescu;"on this one plane i tried" 1068851;1427233448;mircea_popescu;"which happened to run on a magically garbage collected computor that doens't exist anymore" 1068852;1427233506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 306 @ 0.0034 = 1.0404 BTC [-] 1068853;1427233665;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> now, can we has static etc 32 bit ? << yeah. we'll put that at the top of the list. 1068854;1427233872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.0002288 = 3.6379 BTC [+] 1068855;1427234125;mircea_popescu;mod6 danke. 1068856;1427234149;mircea_popescu;ok, so : pogo = arch as per ascii, static new bitcoind 32 bit as soon as foundation can bang it out. 1068857;1427234163;mircea_popescu;moar comments ? 1068858;1427234218;danielpbarron;it could be debian 1068859;1427234236;danielpbarron;debian works well on pogo, i'm ircing from it right now 1068860;1427234245;danielpbarron;the static bitcoind might work on that 1068861;1427234256;mircea_popescu;it can't, it has no 32 bit support. 1068862;1427234291;mircea_popescu;but iirc, a lot of valuable effort went into selecting and pepraring the os. what do you mean "it could be debian" ? 1068863;1427234299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25167 @ 0.0002288 = 5.7582 BTC [+] 1068864;1427234317;danielpbarron;so far i've gotton both debian and archlinux to work on a pogo 1068865;1427234332;danielpbarron;gotten* / and debian is preferable because no systemd 1068866;1427234351;mircea_popescu;o.O 1068867;1427234365;danielpbarron;but the dynamic bitcoind wouldn't work on it; this may be resolved with the "new bitcoind 32 bit" 1068868;1427234407;mircea_popescu;dude this "let's try pluging things see what happens" approach only works if you actually test, and you're not tooled for the mindboggling thing this testing would be. 1068869;1427234436;mircea_popescu;gotta go with an os brewed by someone with some experience so as to have at least a fighting chance the whole thing works. 1068870;1427234478;danielpbarron;ascii did not brew the OS i'm using 1068871;1427234496;mircea_popescu;what happened there ? 1068872;1427234497;danielpbarron;his instructions were strictly for building bitcoind for pogo 1068873;1427234520;mircea_popescu;wasn't the bulk of that "how to load the os on it" ? 1068874;1427234528;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you there ? 1068875;1427234620;danielpbarron;i was holding out for the thing that gets installed in the eeprom 1068876;1427234663;mircea_popescu;ie, the os ? 1068877;1427234668;danielpbarron;yeah 1068878;1427234680;mircea_popescu;so what happened ? 1068879;1427234807;danielpbarron;ascii was looking at netbsd for a time; there was some bug where it couldn't see the nand, plus we discovered nasty things about netbsd in general 1068880;1427234939;mircea_popescu;i see. 1068881;1427234980;mircea_popescu;so basically, i surmise, we'd have liked a clean "os in eeprom, data on disk" arrangement, but it seems we're not actually capable to do this, and so as a backstop you tried a few oses to go on disk 1068882;1427234982;mircea_popescu;that basically it ? 1068883;1427235001;danielpbarron;yeah 1068884;1427235021;danielpbarron;ascii is probably capable, but he's also very busy 1068885;1427235027;danielpbarron;i'm not so busy, but not so capable 1068886;1427235096;mircea_popescu;i see. 1068887;1427235098;nubbins`;arch, fwiw, has the most available documentation re: installing on pogoplug 1068888;1427235105;nubbins`;but afaik there's no reason, say, gentoo wouldn't fly 1068889;1427235120;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the 128mb is the reason none of this flies. they all crawl so far. 1068890;1427235136;nubbins`;consider the statement suitably modified 1068891;1427235148;mircea_popescu;anyway, if anyone listening would like to try his hand at "make your fave os 128mb in eeprom"... 1068892;1427235151;jurov;i can do C/system programming fine but gotta pay bills... stepped aside from this for now 1068893;1427235177;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1068894;1427235207;danielpbarron;oh, i guess the reason no gentoo was the kernel and userland are bigger; but if it's not going into the eeprom gentoo should work 1068895;1427235214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00023581 = 1.9572 BTC [+] {2} 1068896;1427235222;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015395 1068897;1427235222;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 23:14:45; danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what about gentoo on the pogo? 1068898;1427235238;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron we want os on the disk like we want wallets on windows. 1068899;1427235256;mircea_popescu;it's a horribru solution. 1068900;1427235263;danielpbarron;right, but i'm just offering alternatives to ArchLinux (which is also on disk) 1068901;1427235271;mircea_popescu;right. 1068902;1427235317;trinque;danielpbarron: busybox is made for tight spaces 1068903;1427235319;trinque;gentoo can do that 1068904;1427235321;nubbins`;potential for wasted effort if the chosen os won't fit into eeprom down the road 1068905;1427235328;trinque;I'm going to just buy one of these fuckers and pitch in 1068906;1427235336;trinque;as if I don't have enough going on :p 1068907;1427235343;nubbins`;trinque they're a treat 1068908;1427235344;mircea_popescu;nubbins` all effort in linux' is wasted effort! 1068909;1427235344;trinque;pogo 4? 1068910;1427235346;nubbins`;you should get a few 1068911;1427235349;mircea_popescu;because the community is assholes etc. 1068912;1427235361;nubbins`;we're assholes, yet here we are trying 1068913;1427235363;mircea_popescu;trinque you seriously should buy a box. 1068914;1427235364;danielpbarron;trinque, yeah "Pogoplug Series 4" the one with purple logo 1068915;1427235373;trinque;alright 1068916;1427235377;mircea_popescu;i bought hundreds. 1068917;1427235378;nubbins`;blue logo if you want to store blockchain on usb stick ;p 1068918;1427235412;nubbins`;i'm prob'ly gonna grab 50 or so once i'm satisfied i can make it work 1068919;1427235422;danielpbarron;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/ 1068920;1427235424;assbot;Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBgiGQ ) 1068921;1427235431;trinque;nubbins`: eh? what's the difference in logo color? 1068922;1427235442;nubbins`;blue logo has no USB3 or SATA 1068923;1427235449;nubbins`;just USB2 and SD 1068924;1427235451;nubbins`;http://www.henrys.com/67130-POGOPLUG-MOBILE-CLOUD-DEVICE.aspx 1068925;1427235453;assbot;POGOPLUG MOBILE CLOUD DEVICE POGO-V4-A1-01 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBgshv ) 1068926;1427235453;trinque;k 1068927;1427235480;trinque;so I want red/pink/whatever 1068928;1427235486;danielpbarron;also, the blue one cannot boot from usb 1068929;1427235499;nubbins`;boots from SD tho! 1068930;1427235510;danielpbarron;the purple has a usb2 port on the top next to sata port 1068931;1427235518;mircea_popescu;<trinque> as if I don't have enough going on :p << hey, in my spare time i'm designing a fucking game. up to my neck in, of all things, mysql! 1068932;1427235519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5533 @ 0.000232 = 1.2837 BTC [-] 1068933;1427235547;trinque;mircea_popescu: heh I don't mind; am merely setting expectations 1068934;1427235619;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: nm, that's not a flute << bwahaha 1068935;1427235630;nubbins`;XD 1068936;1427235657;mircea_popescu;http://bturn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Soviet-sex-12.jpg << notice the male sex bits are crowned 1068937;1427235659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1y2ZeRC ) 1068938;1427235665;mircea_popescu;and the woman's butt has been spanked. 1068939;1427235819;mircea_popescu;"Japanese society can be notoriously conservative when it comes to gender roles. While there is a lot of talk about the negative effects of imposing traditional roles on women, their restrictiveness and destructiveness for well-being are rarely mentioned in regard to men." 1068940;1427235825;mircea_popescu;prime fucking nonsense. 1068941;1427235850;mircea_popescu;"traditional" gender roles not only happen to be correct, but the costs of getting rid of them are, simply put, societal collapse. 1068942;1427235871;mircea_popescu;the notion taht they are "destructive" for either men or women is so idiotic as to wrap over the ridiculous threshold multiple times. 1068943;1427235888;mircea_popescu;pro tip : not everything that's inconvenient is bad. on the fucking contrary. 1068944;1427235933;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1068945;1427235937;ascii_field;was in a meeting, l0l 1068946;1427235967;mircea_popescu;ok, so tell me about osen. 1068947;1427235974;ascii_field;ok 30sec version 1068948;1427235997;ascii_field;i've a http://buildroot.uclibc.org for pogov4 1068949;1427235999;assbot;Buildroot: making embedded Linux easy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBisX8 ) 1068950;1427235999;jurov;i guess these roles were fit for manually working males, "inconvenient" for office rats 1068951;1427236022;mircea_popescu;jurov i dun see there's a difference. 1068952;1427236023;ascii_field;but kernel dies during boot and have not so far had the time to determine why 1068953;1427236061;ascii_field;since everyone seems to be 'axe time sword time coooming clooser' i guess it's time for me to actually fix it 1068954;1427236067;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well, i can see a 32 brew of bitcoind coming soonish, is this tacklable to go with it ? 1068955;1427236077;ascii_field;i built for 32! 1068956;1427236085;ascii_field;no one remembers? posted bins too 1068957;1427236089;ascii_field;for armv5 (pogo) 1068958;1427236092;ascii_field;on listserv 1068959;1427236092;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1068960;1427236099;mircea_popescu;unrelated. foundation release. 1068961;1427236110;mircea_popescu;i guess that'll be useful for mod6 as a reminder, tho i think he knows. 1068962;1427236123;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html 1068963;1427236123;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBiQ7T ) 1068964;1427236143;ascii_field;no reason why the latest recipe can't build on my cross-chain 1068965;1427236145;ascii_field;for armv5 1068966;1427236148;mircea_popescu;"PLEASE REMEMBER - these are for research use only. 1068967;1427236148;mircea_popescu;DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT firing these in anger. You may lose limbs." << recall that ? 1068968;1427236151;mircea_popescu;it'll have to come off. 1068969;1427236160;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not directly related 1068970;1427236163;ascii_field;though it was used in the bin 1068971;1427236176;mircea_popescu;anyway, wouldja focus here ? 1068972;1427236180;ascii_field;the build recipe for the cross to armv5 was called 'portatronic' 1068973;1427236185;ascii_field;yes, trying to describe from beginning 1068974;1427236186;mircea_popescu;forget the 32 bit issue, mod6 is working on that. 1068975;1427236206;ascii_field;unless some bug was -introduced- since i last played with bitcoind, it should work ok on 32 1068976;1427236248;mircea_popescu;ascii_field so back to os topic. 1068977;1427236253;ascii_field;aha? 1068978;1427236256;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> no one remembers? posted bins too <<< i remember! 1068979;1427236269;nubbins`;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html 1068980;1427236270;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKPVvv ) 1068981;1427236271;mircea_popescu;well, how soon can we have it ? 1068982;1427236274;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: basic idea is that we mustn't ship with a kernel built by some random bozo 1068983;1427236284;ascii_field;(but by known bozo!) 1068984;1427236290;nubbins`;oh fuck, why don't i read 1068985;1427236300;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you get all excited :D 1068986;1427236312;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i said that above eh. 1068987;1427236334;nubbins`;heh 1068988;1427236338;trinque;any reason not to use pogo with an sd card for the blockchain? 1068989;1427236344;trinque;or should I get this usm thing 1068990;1427236344;nubbins`;much of today will be useful in the future, i'm putting a pin in it 1068991;1427236346;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: how soon can we have it << i personally will dust it off tonight and say where it's at before i turn in for the night 1068992;1427236352;mircea_popescu;danke. 1068993;1427236361;mircea_popescu;trinque you should try the sd if you're doing research. 1068994;1427236366;mircea_popescu;we've not tried it much. 1068995;1427236376;trinque;k 1068996;1427236397;danielpbarron;store blockchain on SD card? that will take forever to sync 1068997;1427236401;ascii_field;i tried this 1068998;1427236404;ascii_field;not so hot. 1068999;1427236412;mircea_popescu;maybe he has good sd cards. 1069000;1427236414;ascii_field;sd is a few 100 kB/sec in practice 1069001;1427236422;danielpbarron;the 5400 rpm sata drive takes long enough 1069002;1427236429;ascii_field;serial protocol, ~33MHz iirc 1069003;1427236446;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron you gotta appreciate the following point : people have diff items hanging around ther house 1069004;1427236451;mircea_popescu;and time is not much of a constraint here. 1069005;1427236452;ascii_field;sd card isn't typically built for 100% duty cycle either 1069006;1427236460;mircea_popescu;so it takes 6 months to sync instead of 4. oookay ? 1069007;1427236462;ascii_field;(normal application is more something liek a camera) 1069008;1427236463;mircea_popescu;if it runs for55 years ? 1069009;1427236471;danielpbarron;might be interesting to see if an already synced .bitcoin directory is copied over to SD card and see if it can simply keep up 1069010;1427236474;trinque;I am fine with doing the tortoise test 1069011;1427236474;ascii_field;neh more like 2yrs vs 6mo 1069012;1427236483;ascii_field;but -no one- must take my word for it 1069013;1427236486;ascii_field;always - measure. 1069014;1427236487;trinque;mostly interested in helping with the OS 1069015;1427236491;nubbins`;cough 1069016;1427236492;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you on the other hand have to appreciate the ricochet benefit. 1069017;1427236499;mircea_popescu;let the man fucking play with things already 1069018;1427236506;nubbins`;danielpbarron i'm wondering same but re: usb thumb 1069019;1427236517;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that's tested and sucks. 1069020;1427236525;nubbins`;ok but what's sucks 1069021;1427236530;trinque;http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Elite-Performance-Speed-Class/dp/B00HIKBW1G/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1427236380&sr=1-4&keywords=sd+card 1069022;1427236533;assbot;Amazon.com: PNY Elite Performance 64GB High Speed SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Up to 90MB/sec Flash Card - P-SDX64U1H-GE: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBkgiU ) 1069023;1427236533;mircea_popescu;very low speed 1069024;1427236535;trinque;claims 10mb/sec 1069025;1427236543;trinque;write 1069026;1427236544;nubbins`;like 11 minutes to digest each new block sort of low speed? 1069027;1427236553;mircea_popescu;more like 20 1069028;1427236560;nubbins`;f off, srs? 1069029;1427236567;mircea_popescu;it was atrocious. 1069030;1427236588;nubbins`;o.O 1069031;1427236592;danielpbarron;maybe i did it wrong or something; USB3 theoretically should be very fast 1069032;1427236594;mircea_popescu;usbs have never been seriously optimised for FILMING TO THEM 1069033;1427236598;mircea_popescu;some sds were. 1069034;1427236599;nubbins`;hahah 1069035;1427236602;ascii_field;i got pretty good results with usb3 1069036;1427236603;nubbins`;yeah, fine 1069037;1427236613;ascii_field;(samsung) 1069038;1427236625;trinque;seems the above sd is intended for yeah, filming 1069039;1427236625;danielpbarron;maybe it's a bad thumb drive i have 1069040;1427236629;mircea_popescu;but as the guys say, maybe you find the magic stick. 1069041;1427236630;trinque;buying it 1069042;1427236636;nubbins`;so you're saying a synced .bitcoin/ copied to a usb2 thumb drive 1069043;1427236638;nubbins`;and put into a pogo 1069044;1427236644;nubbins`;will not pull down another block? 1069045;1427236646;danielpbarron;nono, usb3 1069046;1427236660;danielpbarron;and no, i haven't tried that 1069047;1427236662;nubbins`;i said usb2 on purpose 8) 1069048;1427236668;trinque;I like how they put 90mb/sec with a fucking asterisk on the thing's sticker 1069049;1427236673;nubbins`;pogoplug mobile = usb2 1069050;1427236674;mircea_popescu;nubbins` more like, it'll never catch up. 1069051;1427236686;trinque;that will someday be the contracted form of "isn't" 1069052;1427236693;mircea_popescu;lol trinque 1069053;1427236694;mircea_popescu;quite 1069054;1427236703;mircea_popescu;"here's a large unrelated number *" 1069055;1427236736;trinque;bullshit everywhere! 1069056;1427236738;*;trinque bought 1069057;1427236748;danielpbarron;would my .bitcoin/ data dir from 0.7.2 be compatible with 0.5.3.1 ? 1069058;1427236755;mircea_popescu;anyway, the situaton is : usb not usable for storage for our purposes, sd maybe usable. if one wants guidance, that's guidance, if one wants to do testing, that's your falsifiable hypothesis. 1069059;1427236765;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it should be yes. 1069060;1427236779;danielpbarron;hm, that's my most up-to-date copy 1069061;1427236792;nubbins`;same version of db? 1069062;1427236831;danielpbarron;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/02/building-bitcoin-0-7-2-on-openbsd/ 1069063;1427236832;assbot;Building Bitcoin 0.7.2 on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1y33fp8 ) 1069064;1427236833;ascii_field;anyways i'ma do another buildroot tonight. 1069065;1427236839;danielpbarron;curl -O http://download.oracle.com/berkeley-db/db-4.8.30.NC.zip 1069066;1427236910;nubbins`;danielpbarron assuming same bdb, i'd say they're interchangeable 1069067;1427236925;nubbins`;we'd want, class 10 sd? 1069068;1427236932;*;nubbins` admittedly knows zilch about sd 1069069;1427236956;mircea_popescu;class sexually adult, if it existed. 18+ 1069070;1427237067;nubbins`;so uhs 3 1069071;1427237099;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067542 << for the record, moving is easy, but a year later and with tons and tons of support and roots and whatnot i still throw almost-daily tantrums 1069072;1427237099;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 13:06:50; asciilifeform: the 'pathology' was that these people imagined they wanted to move to japan, but what they -actually- wanted was: -to have always lived there- 1069073;1427237119;nubbins`;http://www.amazon.ca/Transcend-TS128GSDU3-Speed-UHS-3-Memory/dp/B00J3KA8JG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427237075&sr=8-1&keywords=sd+card+128gb+uhs+3 1069074;1427237121;assbot;Transcend TS128GSDU3 128 GB High Speed 10 UHS-3 Flash Memory Card 95/60 MB/s: Amazon.ca: Computers & Tablets ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBmnmL ) 1069075;1427237138;nubbins`;30MB/s writes if it's up to spec 1069076;1427237153;mircea_popescu;it usually goes like "omfg, argentines are fucking retarded" "unlike who, romanians ?" "but look at X!" "myeah..." "you got a point. fucking people." 1069077;1427237241;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067551 << which is why japan even still exists anymore. they made it to california, that imploded, now they're moving to texas and places. i was kinda snickering at trinque's explosion yest, bexause well... texas won't survive the idiots either. 1069078;1427237241;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 13:08:20; nubbins`: a lot of them don't make it to japan 1069079;1427237253;mircea_popescu;it doesn't have a policy to take out libtards and shoot them. so it's doomed. 1069080;1427237270;trinque;austin's being infested with californians, yep 1069081;1427237294;nubbins`;callafornee 1069082;1427237301;mircea_popescu;i loved texas in 2004ish. san antonio esp. 1069083;1427237306;mircea_popescu;but i wouldn't revisit. 1069084;1427237351;trinque;time to time I regress to the delusion that somewhere within the state's there's still actual entrepreneurship 1069085;1427237359;trinque;*states 1069086;1427237395;mircea_popescu;you know, like the american beauty notion that somewhere in the obnoxious bitch that's anette benning there's still the girl that flashed helicopters. 1069087;1427237408;mircea_popescu;"just gotta find the right zit to pop, and out she goes" 1069088;1427237416;trinque;lol 1069089;1427237476;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/jerod23/status/580443354934210560 << more PHPain 1069090;1427237477;assbot;Bug in forum software let people on while set offline DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF GOING OFFLINE TO SPEED REBUILD! Now my IP only hence 403 msg 1069091;1427237538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i see you got the boards delivert ? 1069092;1427237586;nubbins`;re: bitseed node, are they using refurb HDDs or something? 1069093;1427237599;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i somehow doubt that guy has a problem with traffic. 1069094;1427237635;nubbins`;SBC and 160GB hdd for $149, how they makin money! 1069095;1427237647;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently he popped a RAID earlier this week and started his rebuild with the site still up 1069096;1427237670;nubbins`;bahaha 1069097;1427237706;nubbins`; :( 1069098;1427237737;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo guy runs a blogspot blog and has 50 followers. what difference does it make if its publicly visible or not. 1069099;1427237740;mircea_popescu;public's not looking. 1069100;1427237808;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's his othersite with woes http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage 1069101;1427237813;assbot;Finding the Treatment Options that Suck Less | The Good, the Bad & the Funny of these Crazy Meds ... ( http://bit.ly/1y36v43 ) 1069102;1427237902;mircea_popescu;o look, 403 didn't work either. 1069103;1427237909;trinque;http://www.cafepress.com/crazymeds/10704145 << insanity is a lifestyle 1069104;1427237910;assbot;Medicated for Your Protection : Straitjacket T-Shirts ... ( http://bit.ly/1y36T2r ) 1069105;1427237910;mircea_popescu;im sure it's the damned forum bug. 1069106;1427238272;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 1069107;1427238273;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 248.63, Best ask: 248.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 248.7, 24 hour volume: 62580.95742971, 24 hour low: 241.39, 24 hour high: 268.44, 24 hour vwap: None 1069108;1427238279;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1069109;1427238284;gribble;Current Blocks: 349081 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1702 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 12 hours, 12 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52114624863.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.55256 1069110;1427238325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00023166 = 5.3398 BTC [+] 1069111;1427238340;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067616 << would not this problem be adequately solved with a huge slab of steel / al / we ? 1069112;1427238340;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 13:21:38; nubbins`: the $300 one has... a domestic oven element. http://imgur.com/KJqDivg 1069113;1427238349;trinque;http://www.ibtimes.co.in/turkey-guilt-ridden-japanese-engineer-kills-self-harakiri-style-over-bridge-collapse-627096 << not harakiri as I understand it, but still 1069114;1427238350;assbot;Turkey: 'Guilt-Ridden' Japanese Engineer Kills Self Harakiri-Style over Bridge Collapse ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBr0wZ ) 1069115;1427238418;mircea_popescu;more points scored for japan than everything the us state dept did past decade put together. 1069116;1427238590;trinque;I doubt I have the culture to even talk about honor but that seems in the ballpark 1069117;1427238643;mircea_popescu;actually americans used to be pretty honorable as far as these things go. 1069118;1427238691;mircea_popescu;then they became reasonable instead, sometime around ww1/ww2. by now... 1069119;1427238760;nubbins`;mircea_popescu huge slab of steel = unreasonable heat-up times, plus the thing'd fall over frontwards 1069120;1427238784;mircea_popescu;i thought this was used on a feeder, not 1 shirt at a time 1069121;1427238792;Pierre_Rochard;http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/24/apple-acquires-durable-database-company-foundationdb/ < NoSQL just became NoDB. Everyone who jumped on that bandwagon got their comuppance 1069122;1427238793;assbot;Apple Acquires Durable Database Company FoundationDB | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1y3awFz ) 1069123;1427238797;mircea_popescu;if you do 1k of the things, metal is actualy very reasonable. just the right sort of q inertia 1069124;1427238806;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard heh. 1069125;1427238807;nubbins`;this is a "Flash dryer" for semi-drying inks on-press between colors of ink 1069126;1427238827;trinque;Pierre_Rochard: oh codd 1069127;1427238829;nubbins`;i lay down a print, swing the arm 90deg to the left 1069128;1427238839;nubbins`;dwell 10s while i print the next one, rotate again etc 1069129;1427238872;nubbins`;THAT SAID, people can and do use the huge-coil ones 1069130;1427238894;nubbins`;philippines in particular has a massive amount of small-industry silkscreen and almost all of them are using dismantled ovens for curing 1069131;1427238897;jurov;actually that is what i meant, office rats can't really have honor. and without honor, also no role 1069132;1427238921;mircea_popescu;jurov why couldn't they ? 1069133;1427238922;nubbins`;which everyone thought was odd, until one guy from there explained how many ovens an actual flash cure would cost 1069134;1427238937;mircea_popescu;see, to propose honor is somehow in the job ie external rather than i nthe person seems nonsense. 1069135;1427238956;mircea_popescu;besides, historically, every new job was deemed to be "devoid of the possibility of honor" 1069136;1427238957;nubbins`;you see some wild setups. like shirts being hung on a clothesline and wheeled across a 30 foot bank of hung oven elements 1069137;1427238957;nubbins`;etc 1069138;1427238967;jurov;honorable person would refuse such job 1069139;1427238979;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that. 1069140;1427239009;jurov;know any counterexample? 1069141;1427239012;mircea_popescu;now, you're right in saying that gender is not really an attribute of lower life forms, and if one becomes a part of some sort of machine the gender's useless to them, which is how we got bees and ants in the first place. 1069142;1427239034;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, i dunno that there's something magical about the office automatically requiring this. 1069143;1427239043;mircea_popescu;the uk ran offices of perfectly respectable folk for all of the 1800s. 1069144;1427239063;mircea_popescu;for that matter - being A DOCTOR is becoming more like this, and wasn't like this before at all - it was the very pinnacle of liberal profession. 1069145;1427239105;mircea_popescu;so i agree that punishing the plebs for being "bicurious" or "metrosexual" or "gender confused" or "Transsexual" or w/e is really silly, they're simply sexless. 1069146;1427239112;mircea_popescu;but this does not flow from "office job" imo. 1069147;1427239129;jurov;both cases were primarily defined tby going out and talking/doing something to people, not pushing papers and filling forms 1069148;1427239131;nubbins`;hey, some people in office jobs have sharp teeth 1069149;1427239164;mircea_popescu;jurov not sure socialisation is the key here. for instance, navigators perfectly honorable, except if not. 1069150;1427239194;jurov;um, i can't put the finger exactly there 1069151;1427239196;mircea_popescu;then again, pirates invented the "honor among thieves" thing which is what we're fundamentally continuating here. "how could there be rule of law otuside of usg ?!?!" "same way there was rule of law in the fucking bahamas" 1069152;1427239351;trinque;jurov: are you equating office with cube-hell? 1069153;1427239387;mircea_popescu;and this is where it comes out that mp sees only very moderate problems with "honor killings", for instance, as atrociously intoilerable they may seem to the libertard set. meanwhile mp sees some problem with say "hospital deaths", as totally benign and normal and expected they seem to the same set. 1069154;1427239445;mircea_popescu;but not subscribing to that particular silly manicheism allows one to see that really, the modern story of "libertard society driving out honor society (aka, amusingly, honorata societa)" has everything to do with a happenstance : 1069155;1427239473;mircea_popescu;that scientists happened to prefer working with one of the available ideologies rather than the other. there's nothing ~fundamental~ about the "well being" of democracy. 1069156;1427239498;mircea_popescu;it all flows from packaging and selling other people's added value, and those other people are pointedly not part of the democracy, nor is their donation necessary in absolutely any sense. 1069157;1427239524;mircea_popescu;so, on the score of "what is bitcoin disrupting" : getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society. 1069158;1427239532;mircea_popescu; /end rant 1069159;1427239670;trinque;hm yeah, and the thing has inertia. places with scientists are better places for scientists, that sort of thing? 1069160;1427239674;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe 1069161;1427239674;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00019609 / 0.00022267 / 0.00025613 (1540463 shares, 343.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00019609 / 0.00028556 / 0.00033536 (17997385 shares, 5,139.37 BTC), 30D: 0.00019609 / 0.00034935 / 0.0004493 (81056609 shares, 28,317.29 BTC) 1069162;1427239686;mircea_popescu;truth is scientists can't really be anything but scientists. 1069163;1427239754;mircea_popescu;if they buy into the entire "socialist nice" thing, as exemplified by say the original dispute that created this place, or whatever recent quiote from some linus criticism of poettering's or w/e, you get one sort of failure mode of science. 1069164;1427239764;mircea_popescu;if they buy into the entire honor thing, you get a different failure mode. 1069165;1427239785;mircea_popescu;in principle whichever ideology (ie, principle of societal organisation) offers best insulation from failure modes will prevail. 1069166;1427239821;mircea_popescu;since somehow "tradition" was for a while cognate with "don't need to read or write or even know history, tradition is what i say it is", there was a major, multi-secular migration towards "liberalism" 1069167;1427239840;mircea_popescu;as that shit's coming to hit the fan with its "equality" and whatnot, the whole tectonic plaque's going to come this way again. 1069168;1427239850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00022649 = 6.1605 BTC [-] {2} 1069169;1427239862;mircea_popescu;and so on. it's not just the dusk of "america", it's the end of "democracy" and liberalism etc. 1069170;1427239897;trinque;this way being hierarchial power structures, wealth defining governance? 1069171;1427239911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00022532 = 2.6024 BTC [-] {2} 1069172;1427239927;mircea_popescu;this way being hard to pinpoint yet, but mostly a wot based, loose and half anon, gpg empowered, bitcoin measured thing. 1069173;1427239945;mircea_popescu;we're getting a new body, it's wot-innervated and bitcoin-perfused and im starting to guess the musculature etc. 1069174;1427239955;trinque;mhm 1069175;1427239965;mircea_popescu;most things too early to tell really. 1069176;1427240034;mircea_popescu;for lolz, contrast this with the entire "we don't understand bitcoin but are excited at the blockchain technology" thingee. 1069177;1427240068;jurov;these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening 1069178;1427240070;mircea_popescu;gossip networks and fault tolerant pow. stuff that was there for decades. "we don't understand what matters but we'll stick to clutching at the straws we recognise" 1069179;1427240078;jurov;alf's everyday ramblings are case in point 1069180;1427240081;mircea_popescu;suddenly the "don't need to read or write" shoe is on the other, liberal foot. 1069181;1427240089;trinque;jurov: seems like it's early days 1069182;1427240113;mircea_popescu;jurov yeah, most infants have dayjobs too, the feed themselves o.O 1069183;1427240126;mircea_popescu;read the case in point in say henry millers' books. the guy DROVE the sexual revolution, 1069184;1427240133;mircea_popescu;he'smore a part of it than max fucking hardcore. 1069185;1427240137;mircea_popescu;he also starved. 1069186;1427240138;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC to rise vs USD in March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1125/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 77(Y):23(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.088943 BTC. Current weight: 16,043. 1069187;1427240155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33589 @ 0.00022402 = 7.5246 BTC [-] {2} 1069188;1427240158;mircea_popescu;money comes after the glory. 1069189;1427240202;trinque;good documentary about the band Death that invented punk rock 1069190;1427240210;trinque;bunch of black dudes from Detroit 1069191;1427240230;trinque;the leader there died of alcoholism or something along those lines 1069192;1427240390;trinque;mircea_popescu: the permanent social memory thing; that's what interested me in deedbot 1069193;1427240410;trinque;whatever's said there lasts at least as long as the currency 1069194;1427240434;trinque;hell of a mark of cain 1069195;1427240487;jurov;fuck the starvation 1069196;1427240492;jurov;goodnight 1069197;1427240497;mircea_popescu;jurov i couldn't agree more. 1069198;1427240690;trinque;I have to admire someone who dies with a finger pointed at someplace better. 1069199;1427240707;trinque;though I admire more the man who creates the better place 1069200;1427240943;mircea_popescu;in the end, different people. 1069201;1427241034;mircea_popescu;trinque people always wanted to fight forgetfulness huh. 1069202;1427241078;trinque;I don't follow 1069203;1427241085;mircea_popescu;lemme find you the quote 1069204;1427241149;mircea_popescu;Pedalavo come se fuggissi, e in realtà fuggivo. Da lei, da quelle emozioni, dai sogni, dai ricordi, da tutto e pensavo che dovevo dimenticare. Ero certo che sarei riuscito a dimenticare, ma oggi che sono vecchio, che ho consumato banalmente la vita, che ho conosciuto tante donne che mi hanno detto: “Ricordati di me” e io le ho scordate tutte, ancora oggi e’ lei l’unica che non ho mai dimenticato. Malena! 1069205;1427241191;mircea_popescu;you seen that movie ? 1069206;1427241217;trinque;I haven't 1069207;1427241240;mircea_popescu;ah, check it out sometime 1069208;1427241250;trinque;k 1069209;1427241356;trinque;should I be able to parse the quotation without the film? 1069210;1427241378;trinque;comment on obsession? 1069211;1427241482;mircea_popescu;well... on memory. 1069212;1427241495;mircea_popescu;but no, i dun think its meaningful without the film 1069213;1427241545;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/memorial-university-students-give-rotten-cafeteria-food-a-failing-grade-1.3007569 1069214;1427241547;assbot;Memorial University students give 'rotten' cafeteria food a failing grade - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xfo6dR ) 1069215;1427241705;pete_dushenski;aramark funken blows 1069216;1427241716;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067650 << guy that brought singapore from just under india to just above uk through five decades of caning. 1069217;1427241716;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 13:28:54; asciilifeform: in other news, lee kuan yew is dead 1069218;1427241863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00021681 = 2.6559 BTC [+] {2} 1069219;1427241894;pete_dushenski;singapore is now apple without steve jobs 1069220;1427241938;mircea_popescu;well, going to china anyway 1069221;1427242000;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067669 << quite. except, there's a difference between understanding and controlling. 1069222;1427242000;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 13:45:18; nubbins`: put another way: those who are unable to judge the character/nature of others are more likely to wish for escape, and their disability follows them to their new life, where they make the same sort of mistakes they'd make at home 1069223;1427242115;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067693 "You're not seeing "a kid" that "made" "X money" with "a story". You're seeing an economic process. It's an ad. It converts to some degree, like any ad." 1069224;1427242115;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 13:56:10; asciilifeform: reminds me of how when clinton was half-heartedly prosecuting microshit for antitrust violations, some 'think tank' (cato? i forget) had a 'microsoft defense fund' that the public was invited to contribute to ! 1069225;1427242167;funkenstein_;bring your air filter 1069226;1427242168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00023166 = 5.166 BTC [+] 1069227;1427242183;funkenstein_;i just watched "under the dome" documentary on china air pollution 1069228;1427242197;funkenstein_;good evening gentlemen 1069229;1427242246;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067728 << they had one here last year. 1069230;1427242246;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 14:20:55; asciilifeform: the kind involving armoured trucks, rockets, demolition charges 1069231;1427242252;pete_dushenski;"Get ready to ride in style Singapore, we’ve added supercars to the Uber platform. Starting this Saturday, March 21st, you will be able to request a Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder or Maserati GranTurismo Coupe to come pick you up." << yew moves out, uber moves in. 1069232;1427242262;mircea_popescu;buncha guys broke a coupla 17 yos out of juvenile detention. a 1069233;1427242272;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the guy they were actually there to break out had already escapeds. 1069234;1427242321;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_ did they feature the peri-air ? 1069235;1427242362;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067737 << so wait, the case can only close if man = bad, woman = good ? no other outcome available ? 1069236;1427242362;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 14:22:59; asciilifeform: 'Longo said the case is suspended, not closed. He said the fact that investigators could not find evidence “doesn’t mean that something terrible didn’t happen to Jackie.”' 1069237;1427242389;funkenstein_;pete_dushenski, no i hadn't heard of it 1069238;1427242393;mircea_popescu;why would anyone partake ? "i am not taking part in your kangaroo mockery. you want to either win or flip again, i dun have time for that" 1069239;1427242408;pete_dushenski;!s canned air 1069240;1427242409;assbot;1 results for 'canned air' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=canned+air 1069241;1427242432;pete_dushenski;^yup. that'd be the one 1069242;1427242462;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067739 << lulz of all fucking time. 1069243;1427242462;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 14:25:53; nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/ksBVtHB.png 1069244;1427242468;pete_dushenski;straight out of space balls. 1069245;1427242470;funkenstein_;wow 1069246;1427242478;mircea_popescu;seriously, women want to feel like something (even cancer) would fuck em ? heh 1069247;1427242520;asciilifeform;back 1069248;1427242547;nubbins`;wb 1069249;1427242548;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiabeNR_q0U << classic mel brooks 1069250;1427242550;assbot;Perri-Air - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRpnb1 ) 1069251;1427242607;asciilifeform; asciilifeform i see you got the boards delivert << aha see pics 1069252;1427242609;trinque;#makers << my sides 1069253;1427242730;asciilifeform;would not this problem be adequately solved with a huge slab of steel / al << i did say. 1069254;1427242779;asciilifeform;Japanese Engineer Kills Self Harakiri-Style over Bridge Collapse << mega-respekt!!! 1069255;1427242782;*;asciilifeform takes off hat 1069256;1427242818;asciilifeform; office rats can't really have honor << wtf sure they can 1069257;1427242848;asciilifeform;but then again it is rather like saying that sewer rats could read reddit (yes, the occasional iPnohe falls into a street drain.) 1069258;1427242930;*;Adlai is starting to warm up to ada: http://archive.adaic.com/standards/83rat/html/ratl-13-03.html#13.3.2 1069259;1427242931;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xfpE7J ) 1069260;1427242945;asciilifeform;getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society << funnily orlov is 100% with this program, in his own peculiar way 1069261;1427242984;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...the original dispute that created this place... << now i'm curious 1069262;1427242987;asciilifeform;what was it. 1069263;1427243038;asciilifeform; these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening << jurov has it, unfortunately. we are in the jungle still. 1069264;1427243116;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: gmaxwell's anti-porn/free-speech stance 1069265;1427243131;BingoBoingo;!up decimation 1069266;1427243138;nubbins`;S.LORDSHIP-GENERAL-PROJECT-FUNDING 1069267;1427243155;decimation;asciilifeform: have you tested the boards? 1069268;1427243157;nubbins`;or, what was it the guy tried to pass off? "the peerage" 1069269;1427243211;asciilifeform;Adlai: starting to warm... << one of the two practically-usable programming -systems- (note, i didn't say 'languages') designed by and for thinking people 1069270;1427243229;asciilifeform;decimation: yes, tested. see photos. 1069271;1427243268;asciilifeform;decimation: not proper test (will have to happen in weekend) but does output visually correct results. 1069272;1427243356;decimation;where's the pics? 1069273;1427243385;asciilifeform;in log, 1sec 1069274;1427243436;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067561 1069275;1427243436;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 13:10:21; asciilifeform: in other news: http://imgur.com/YqbQh33,VN8dqBv,xJ6WGhl,nTPgWYW,WX6hpiT#4 1069276;1427243502;decimation;ah I was looking for png 1069277;1427243592;decimation;well, it doesn't short, and has serial-ly output somewhere, these are good things 1069278;1427243607;asciilifeform;decimation: it's a 100% analogue device, actually 1069279;1427243617;asciilifeform;well, 99% 1069280;1427243672;decimation;I've been thinking about building a 'geiger counter' rng like herr walker's 1069281;1427243689;asciilifeform;not especially hard 1069282;1427243700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/a-little-bit-of-bitcoin-history/ 1069283;1427243700;assbot;A little bit of Bitcoin history pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xfqLUU ) 1069284;1427243706;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu 1069285;1427243761;*;asciilifeform blew dust off pogotron and warming up 1069286;1427243805;asciilifeform;considerably easier now that i have it booting off the lan 1069287;1427243826;asciilifeform;('i want too!' -- then see listserv) 1069288;1427243863;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-03-2015#1064748 < yeah, this might make more sense - a conventional drone with missile. the important point is that these would be loitering at random radii and altitudes, making apriori 'air defense' clearance difficult 1069289;1427243863;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 06:08:33; ben_vulpes: I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants... 1069290;1427243888;decimation;asciilifeform: did you get the remote u-boot console working? 1069291;1427243903;asciilifeform;decimation: i did, long ago, and replaced with real serial console 1069292;1427243920;asciilifeform;which is considerably more pleasant to use 1069293;1427243928;decimation;i imagine so 1069294;1427244002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00021568 = 1.3696 BTC [-] 1069295;1427244017;BingoBoingo;http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12228/mac-plus-modern-web/ 1069296;1427244018;assbot; Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtiod ) 1069297;1427244056;BingoBoingo;^ latest in tradition of people doing this 1069298;1427244088;asciilifeform;lol, CONFIG_SERIAL_MPSC_CONSOLE 1069299;1427244103;asciilifeform;^ not in buildroot menus, because tards 1069300;1427244123;asciilifeform;or alternatively, 'quit believing the docs' 1069301;1427244172;asciilifeform;hint to others: NEVER 'make clean' on a working buildroot cross-compilation tree 1069302;1427244178;asciilifeform;nukes the toolchain (incl. gcc) too. 1069303;1427244188;asciilifeform;that's another hour or three that i will have no useful output. 1069304;1427244213;decimation;lol is that a freebsd feature? 1069305;1427244220;asciilifeform;linux 1069306;1427244222;decimation;ah 1069307;1427244241;asciilifeform;http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/headline-story/12210/anarchist-cookbook-history-usenet << mega-l0l 1069308;1427244243;assbot; ‘The Anarchist Cookbook’ and the rise of DIY terrorism ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtPqu ) 1069309;1427244255;decimation;asciilifeform: did you see this http://www.manux.info/en/ 1069310;1427244255;assbot;The Manux operating system ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtQuu ) 1069311;1427244283;decimation;it's an utterly crippled version of 'linux' with all the crud stripped out 1069312;1427244287;asciilifeform;'Withstanding zero-day attacks in userspace' << by definition impossible 1069313;1427244290;decimation;it also is apparently nonfunctional 1069314;1427244296;decimation;"Uh, many. It's currently text-only, its IP stack isn't functionnal and will have to be partly rewritten, privilege-checking isn't implemented, it can't handle more than one hard drive..." 1069315;1427244298;asciilifeform;very bad phrasing right off the bat 1069316;1427244304;asciilifeform;can't speak for anything else in there 1069317;1427244321;asciilifeform;appears to be vaguely minix-flavoured 1069318;1427244356;decimation;my daughter loves to watch КроÌÑ‚ cartoons now 1069319;1427244380;asciilifeform;decimation: i never saw the animated one. only had the book 1069320;1427244391;decimation;heh I didn't realize there was a book 1069321;1427244444;asciilifeform;decimation: http://royallib.com/book/novotni_y/krot_v_gorode.html 1069322;1427244445;assbot;Ðовотны Й. - Крот в городе, Ñкачать беÑплатно книгу в формате fb2, doc, rtf, html, txt ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRujN4 ) 1069323;1427244451;*;asciilifeform has not checked the quality of the scan 1069324;1427244453;asciilifeform;could be full of spam 1069325;1427244629;decimation;somewhat related, apparently you can order books, music, dvds from amazon.de for 3eur + 3eur per kg shipping (to the us) 1069326;1427244781;asciilifeform;woah that was fast 1069327;1427244783;asciilifeform;(build finished) 1069328;1427244795;asciilifeform;still no dice though. no console output 1069329;1427244849;asciilifeform;found shitgnomery though 1069330;1427244860;asciilifeform;where it apparently strips flags one added manually to .config 1069331;1427244865;asciilifeform;for no particularly good reason 1069332;1427244938;brendafdez;This is weird, do I lose cloak when using the web interface? :/ 1069333;1427244944;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1069334;1427244987;brendafdez;not nice. 1069335;1427244991;BingoBoingo;You lose cloak with webchat, also logging 1069336;1427245036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00021322 = 2.9424 BTC [-] 1069337;1427245040;brendafdez;what does it mean I lose logging? local logs? bc I do see it in the online log for the channel 1069338;1427245080;brendafdez;Neteller will gladly take your bitcoin in exchange for their tokens, at no cost. You can proceed to then spend them through their debit card and such... http://www.coindesk.com/neteller-bitcoin-deposit-policy-reversal/ 1069339;1427245081;assbot;NETELLER Adds Bitcoin Deposit Option in Surprise Policy Reversal ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRvUTb ) 1069340;1427245089;brendafdez;No bitcoin payoutsa, however 1069341;1427245268;BingoBoingo;The local logs 1069342;1427245308;Adlai;brendafdez: identify before joining the channel and you'll be cloaked 1069343;1427245374;Adlai;even better, use sasl (Auth to services: ☑) 1069344;1427245482;nubbins`;!s bitnodes 1069345;1427245483;assbot;9 results for 'bitnodes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitnodes 1069346;1427245768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00021321 = 2.2067 BTC [-] 1069347;1427245896;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1069348;1427245902;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 246.32, vol: 19197.38270643 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 247.456, vol: 13466.6437 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 246.32, vol: 64980.74454729 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 249.99, vol: 47.82915974 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.810164, vol: 199545.78660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 247.04008, vol: 29.82396973 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 247.8613, vol: 143.09772369 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1069349;1427246138;funkenstein_;bezzle over 4 millies again 1069350;1427246154;funkenstein_;anybody give me a book review? http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/1530.cfm 1069351;1427246155;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWf47X ) 1069352;1427246196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00021305 = 3.1105 BTC [-] {2} 1069353;1427246419;mod6;alright, new droplet created for x32 deb6 testing. 1069354;1427246568;Adlai;;;more 1069355;1427246568;gribble;Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. 1069356;1427246574;Adlai;;;more BingoBoingo 1069357;1427246574;gribble;average: 244.688886748 1069358;1427246681;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: http://dpaste.com/3Z7TTT1 1069359;1427246682;assbot;dpaste: 3Z7TTT1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRA2T2 ) 1069360;1427246927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00021457 = 4.4845 BTC [+] {2} 1069361;1427247761;BingoBoingo;Science isn't a big ycombinator fan either http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/24/a_couple_of_ycombinators_startups.php 1069362;1427247903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00021655 = 4.2011 BTC [+] 1069363;1427248032;mod6;x32 OpenSSL built: requires adding -m32 flag to ./Configure & setting: SSL_ARCH_TYPE=linux-generic32 1069364;1427248059;mod6;will work on bdb & boost... will publish findings/changes to mailing list when complete... 1069365;1427248070;nubbins`;pin woot 1069366;1427248222;trinque;danielpbarron: ^ 1069367;1427248227;*;danielpbarron nods 1069368;1427248327;mod6;bdb built 1069369;1427248331;mod6;building boost... 1069370;1427248410;asciilifeform;'This might be unduly harsh, but if Atomwise can do what they say, why are they on Ycombinator? Pull up to a big pharma, ask for some minimally proprietary data, and let the computers go to work. It'd be like printing winning lottery tickets.' 1069371;1427248542;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah you did say, and yeah i guess pretty much everyone honestly trying has figured out the same thing, if not necessarily apt to express it. 1069372;1427248546;mircea_popescu;re orlov. 1069373;1427248593;asciilifeform;speaking of... 1069374;1427248594;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/financial-feudalism.html 1069375;1427248595;assbot;ClubOrlov: Financial Feudalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjO0cO ) 1069376;1427248829;mircea_popescu; where it apparently strips flags one added manually to .config << ahahaha 1069377;1427248838;mircea_popescu;such logical. 1069378;1427248853;asciilifeform;since phixed 1069379;1427248868;mod6;ok statically linked bitcoind x32 version built & pulling blocks. 1069380;1427248875;asciilifeform;now trying to find which of the 5 supported marvells is actually compatible with kirkwood 1069381;1427248881;asciilifeform;(which, naturally, isn't) 1069382;1427248897;mircea_popescu; No bitcoin payoutsa, however << a) nothing surprising about it and b) everyone wants to get as many btc as humanly possible before having to admit it. 1069383;1427248903;asciilifeform;i would dearly love to know what kind of 'open source' the folks who built that archlinux kernel practice. 1069384;1427248908;asciilifeform;where, for instance, is their config ? 1069385;1427248925;mod6;it's 1 change to the auto.sh file, & have to have the 3 vars at the top set correctly. I'll post a copy of this auto.sh, a diff to the 64 bit version and a diff to the original portatronic version yet tonight. 1069386;1427248942;asciilifeform;they are in violation of gpl and, if anyone were actually concerned with this, would be made to swallow a hammer or whatever it is that is supposed to happen to such hooligans 1069387;1427248967;mod6;> 15000 blocks & counting... 1069388;1427249144;mircea_popescu;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tHsZRRZGenI/VQ2bzk35ARI/AAAAAAAAGR8/Dyutk4-Qy6Q/s1600/Feudal.png << this is pretty idiotic. 1069389;1427249144;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDlHfO ) 1069390;1427249160;mircea_popescu;this is why i don't like reading orlov. the propaganda angle doesn't bother me as much, but the millitant, sheer ignorance does. 1069391;1427249173;mircea_popescu;find a fucking count that was allegiant to a duke in the entire history of feudalism. 1069392;1427249184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10805 @ 0.00022068 = 2.3844 BTC [+] 1069393;1427249196;mircea_popescu;i am willing to bet, on the strength of that diagram, that his disneyland notions of "feudalism" preclude him even knowing WHEN in time this happened 1069394;1427249230;mircea_popescu;protip : no, it's not 1550, that's the cinquecento in italy, feudalism is already dead and rotting everywhere. 1069395;1427249240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he's using a ru dictionary, betcah 1069396;1427249243;asciilifeform;*betcha 1069397;1427249245;mircea_popescu;even so. 1069398;1427249264;mircea_popescu;russia did not exist. the various duchies were not even feudal ffs. 1069399;1427249273;asciilifeform;aha but the man's dictionary 1069400;1427249286;asciilifeform;duke outranks count there, so. 1069401;1427249333;thestringpuller;cyrptofeudalism is awesome 1069402;1427249333;mircea_popescu;"outranks" is a purely courtly consideration 1069403;1427249339;mircea_popescu;"what order do they follow the monarch in" 1069404;1427249349;mircea_popescu;by the time anyone cares about this feudalism was long defeated. 1069405;1427249366;mircea_popescu;in any case : counts as in, counts palatine, counts of the hre, etc, were sovereign. 1069406;1427249379;mircea_popescu;dukes did not by and large exist, unless you mean dux, which was a leader of fucking cataphracts 1069407;1427249414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he meant герцог 1069408;1427249416;mircea_popescu;marsh lord, what is known as marquis, actually outranked counts at court, chiefly because being the lord of a marsh he had much more legal power than the head of settled land 1069409;1427249417;asciilifeform;this is pretty clear 1069410;1427249419;asciilifeform;hertzog 1069411;1427249420;mircea_popescu;and on and on and fucking on it goes. 1069412;1427249429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's a count 1069413;1427249434;asciilifeform;nope 1069414;1427249439;asciilifeform;граф 1069415;1427249443;mod6;ok im gonna stop this thing, rebuild one more time for good measure, then will create diffs & publish. 1069416;1427249449;asciilifeform;see i can tell where he got it. 1069417;1427249454;mircea_popescu;grof ? that's a hungarian/polish count. 1069418;1427249463;asciilifeform;and guess what other kind. 1069419;1427249472;mircea_popescu;hey, more power to you, but really... 1069420;1427249500;mircea_popescu;"here's what i remember of this bad translation of a phenomena by some people who didn't live it, and who are so far from me culturally i in turn have no idea. let's make an infographic and educate reddit." 1069421;1427249501;mircea_popescu;pssssshhh 1069422;1427249511;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'll add that this is (or was) sop in ru world 1069423;1427249527;mircea_popescu;ima insist this is no path to understanding 1069424;1427249529;asciilifeform;sorta like those 'c' programmers who #define'd themselves BEGIN and END blocks 1069425;1427249537;mircea_popescu;it may be a path to "respek" an autoritah 1069426;1427249559;asciilifeform;it's an ill habit, sorta like the elaborate rules for mistransliterating german and english 1069427;1427249561;asciilifeform;(in ru) 1069428;1427249579;decimation;landgraf 1069429;1427249579;mircea_popescu;aha 1069430;1427249595;decimation;^graf who reports directly to emperor 1069431;1427249596;mircea_popescu;decimation landgraf aka margrave aka march lord is a post-feudalist construct 1069432;1427249621;mircea_popescu;"about half the power a count used to have back when the counts of belgium dominated france, for to protect the country borders" 1069433;1427249639;mircea_popescu;(march = marsh = border, in this understanding. strips of marginal and thus uninhabited lands) 1069434;1427249702;mircea_popescu;anyway. the peak of feudalism is around the peak of things like the tournoi as a public sport. 1069435;1427249713;mircea_popescu;it was ending just as the hansa was coming into its own. 1069436;1427249714;*;asciilifeform thought that this was reasonably well known 1069437;1427249720;decimation;The German titles of Landgraf, Markgraf, and Pfalzgraf bei Rhein are in the same class of ranks as Herzog ("duke") and above the rank of a Graf ("count"). 1069438;1427249722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unapparent from the orlov piece. 1069439;1427249724;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landgrave 1069440;1427249725;assbot;Landgrave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDonu2 ) 1069441;1427249753;mircea_popescu;decimation before long you'll be looking into subtle distinctions such as between "king of germany" and "king in germany" 1069442;1427249770;asciilifeform;'salute the uniform, not the man!' (TM) 1069443;1427249792;decimation;Herr Fredrick took the "of" for himself 1069444;1427249843;mircea_popescu;aha 1069445;1427249870;mircea_popescu;but basically, feudalism and metalwork almost look as a zero sum game : as the latter develops the former fades 1069446;1427249875;mircea_popescu;(in favour of the centralised state) 1069447;1427249892;mircea_popescu;in NO CASE was feudalism replaced by capitalism tho. 1069448;1427249931;mircea_popescu;this is like saying bows were replaced by submachine guns. well... no. at absolutely no point had people using bows encountered people using submachine guns. 1069449;1427249944;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can tell he's using the su version of capitalism (it being, 'what is left when you subtract stone age + feudalism + communism from the cosmic background hiss) 1069450;1427249946;mircea_popescu;perhaps an argument can be brought for places like sicily cca 1930, but it is still very tenuous. 1069451;1427249984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem with using a language is that you're stuck using it according to itself tho. this is like, orlov horribly mauled a teenaged girl and you're like "well clearly the bear thought her cunt's salmon." 1069452;1427249991;mircea_popescu;this may be true, but the girl's still pretty badly bloodied. 1069453;1427250003;asciilifeform;or, less crackpottishly, the idea of ascendancy of the merchant class probably equals capitalism in his head 1069454;1427250016;mircea_popescu;the merchant class was ascendant cca 1300! 1069455;1427250028;mircea_popescu;which i wager is before he thinks feudalism STARTS 1069456;1427250028;decimation;polish calvary charging the motorized wehrmacht? 1069457;1427250038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26066 @ 0.00021246 = 5.538 BTC [-] {2} 1069458;1427250041;mircea_popescu;decimation that cavalry was not feudal tho. prussian military. 1069459;1427250051;decimation;ah true 1069460;1427250061;mircea_popescu;it was imperialism vs early steampunk democracy 1069461;1427250091;mircea_popescu;sort of a rehash of napoleonic conflicts. 1069462;1427250098;decimation;fredrick inspired much socialistoid bureaucracy too 1069463;1427250118;mircea_popescu;the centralised state can only be a centralised state after all. 1069464;1427250160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10235 @ 0.00021359 = 2.1861 BTC [+] 1069465;1427250200;decimation;my male line lived under the landgraf hesse-homburg for at least 400 years 1069466;1427250215;decimation;it was rolled up into prussistan 1069467;1427250225;mircea_popescu;"A new system of economic relations was brought into being, based on money that could be generated at will, in the form of debt" << this is EXACTLY unrelated to capitalism. 1069468;1427250242;mircea_popescu;for most of the industrial revolution, late 1600s to early 1900s, this view was exactly not held. 1069469;1427250261;mircea_popescu;moreover, as late as during ww2, the west thought the war is mostly about preventing exactly that. 1069470;1427250278;mircea_popescu;i mean shit, you can't go around conflating everything you don't know about for chrissakes. 1069471;1427250293;*;mircea_popescu has angrily closed that blogspot 1069472;1427250329;asciilifeform;unrelated, 1069473;1427250339;asciilifeform;i can tell none of you tried to build pogo's vendor kernel 1069474;1427250351;asciilifeform;(perhaps can already guess what happens) 1069475;1427250411;nubbins`;doesn't work! 1069476;1427250440;asciilifeform;no 1069477;1427250442;asciilifeform;doesn't build 1069478;1427250446;asciilifeform;on any modern toolchain 1069479;1427250462;decimation;And in fact there was a rear-guard action, launched in May of 1944, just before the Bretton Woods Conference, by a group of influential New York bankers, who very much hated the Bretton Woods agenda. They offered to lend Britain at least $3 billion dollars after the War, in return for which Britain would walk away from the Bretton Woods Conference. Clarke and others in the British Treasury wanted to pursue this idea. But Keynes would 1069480;1427250464;decimation;have none of it. ... Because he wanted to be known as the man who overthrew the gold standard and replaced it with a new, rational, managed international monetary system. So he very much had his own personal legacy at heart here. > http://dpaste.com/2Z0E50V.txt 1069502;1427252221;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDyajC ) 1069503;1427252226;asciilifeform;(kernel config) 1069504;1427252276;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron there wouldn't normally be huge differences. 1069505;1427252304;asciilifeform;building for arm922t which, as far as i can tell, marvell is compatible with. 1069506;1427252310;asciilifeform;hangs on jump into kernel. 1069507;1427252325;asciilifeform;just like the... 57? previous linux kernels i built for this thing. 1069508;1427252335;asciilifeform;no signs of life. 1069509;1427252356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12633 @ 0.00020725 = 2.6182 BTC [-] 1069510;1427252412;mircea_popescu;so basically no os whatsoever builds on these things ? 1069511;1427252424;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/2MSHFN2.txt << buildroot config for completeness 1069512;1427252426;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDz0Nj ) 1069513;1427252432;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not quite. netbsd builds 1069514;1427252443;decimation;keynes threw england into the shitter just so he could 'win at the game of life' 1069515;1427252445;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is the -only- thing i was able to build from source and actually get a shell on 1069516;1427252451;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hence why i spent so long on it 1069517;1427252468;mircea_popescu;hm 1069518;1427252495;nubbins`;kirkwood has 2x sata? 1069519;1427252507;asciilifeform;http://buildroot.uclibc.org << anyone who wants to re-create my experiment, now can 1069520;1427252509;assbot;Buildroot: making embedded Linux easy ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDziUy ) 1069521;1427252513;asciilifeform;use the two configs posted just now. 1069522;1427252521;asciilifeform;one is buildroot's, the other is the kernel's 1069523;1427252525;asciilifeform;nubbins`: 1 1069524;1427252531;asciilifeform;or wait 1069525;1427252536;asciilifeform;if you're thinking of speed - 2 1069526;1427252543;asciilifeform;(1 connector, 2x speed) 1069527;1427252574;asciilifeform;oh, and in case this wasn't clear, 1069528;1427252583;asciilifeform;-none of these os-en build on the machine itself!!!- 1069529;1427252589;asciilifeform;must use cross-compiler 1069530;1427252594;nubbins`;"Two SATA 2.0 ports with integrated PHYs" 1069531;1427252597;*;nubbins` shrugs 1069532;1427252605;asciilifeform;nubbins`: one's a phantom limb, i think 1069533;1427252608;nubbins`;a 1069534;1427252615;asciilifeform;at any rate, precisely one plug. 1069535;1427252645;nubbins`;"security engine"! 1069536;1427252663;asciilifeform;we don't use it for anything 1069537;1427252675;asciilifeform;does - would you believe - accelerated xor. 1069538;1427252692;decimation;one sign that nobody is rich today is that nobody could possibly dream of floating the national debt of england 1069539;1427252817;nubbins`;or a sign nobody's been that poor before 1069540;1427252833;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> nubbins`: one's a phantom limb, i think << Phantom limbs got me much less excited about the latest Sun hardware I'd been investigating when the problem of keeping a post 2016 blockchain would have been a big challenge. (IDE limited to sub 127 GB, USB 1.1, and Firewire ports unsupported in OS of choice which means gambling on PCI USB 2.0 card working for moar storage) 1069541;1427252863;BingoBoingo; does - would you believe - accelerated xor. << megalol 1069542;1427252911;BingoBoingo;In other news I discovered apparently firefighting trains exist 1069543;1427253130;nubbins`;http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/sheevaplug/install.xml 1069544;1427253131;assbot;Gentoo Linux Documentation-- Gentoo on the Marvell SheevaPlug ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDC6Ru ) 1069545;1427253136;nubbins`;might be something of interest there 1069546;1427253174;asciilifeform;nubbins`: there most certainly was not. 1069547;1427253181;asciilifeform;was first place i looked way back when. 1069548;1427253210;BingoBoingo;sheevaplug seems to be different beast for reasons only Vishnu knows 1069549;1427253308;asciilifeform;that isn't why 1069550;1427253319;BingoBoingo;sorry, reasons only Vishnuplug knows 1069551;1427253321;asciilifeform;just that there is no meaningful detail in there about config for 3.18 1069552;1427253329;asciilifeform;(or anything else) 1069553;1427253506;asciilifeform;anyone here have pogo with debian running? 1069554;1427253510;asciilifeform;please extract the config & post 1069555;1427253525;asciilifeform;zcat /proc/config.gz > config.txt 1069556;1427253539;asciilifeform;note that this may or may not work depending on whether the kernel was built with this enabled 1069557;1427253565;asciilifeform;if no one has debian, but someone has arch - please post that 1069558;1427253583;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mod6, danielpbarron, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes ??? 1069559;1427253589;asciilifeform;punkman ? 1069560;1427253764;*;BingoBoingo yet to try .foundation build as spec'd, mostly has moar weird in his plan pipeline 1069561;1427253768;nubbins`;gzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory 1069562;1427253770;nubbins`;haha wat. 1069563;1427253781;asciilifeform;nubbins`: snipped to save space then 1069564;1427253806;asciilifeform;but it means that there is no way to replicate the kernel build short of catching the perpetrator and slowly roasting him over a fire 1069565;1427253816;nubbins`;http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/sheevaplug/install/configsheeva fwiw 1069566;1427253817;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDERlN ) 1069567;1427253821;nubbins`;(probably 0) 1069568;1427253833;asciilifeform;nubbins`: not 3.18 ! 1069569;1427253839;nubbins`;right, 2.6 1069570;1427253848;nubbins`;don't mind me 1069571;1427254065;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/X3GhWU7u 1069572;1427254068;assbot;config-3.16.0-kirkwood-tld-3 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDFZpD ) 1069573;1427254081;asciilifeform;nubbins`: from where ? 1069574;1427254096;nubbins`;http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,12096 1069575;1427254099;assbot;Linux Kernel 3.18 (FDT) and 3.16 (non-FDT) Kirkwood package and rootfs ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDG3Wh ) 1069576;1427254119;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000071.html 1069577;1427254119;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDGaRG ) 1069578;1427254124;nubbins`;this is the guy from http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html 1069579;1427254126;assbot;Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaLl9S ) 1069580;1427254135;nubbins`;which is what i followed to get my pogo up and running 1069581;1427254151;nubbins`;but i think the guide i used was for 3.18 1069582;1427254152;nubbins`;shrug 1069583;1427254167;asciilifeform;nubbins`: ty, about to test it 1069584;1427254174;nubbins`;np, lmk! 1069585;1427254284;BingoBoingo;;;ls 1069586;1427254285;gribble;What do you think I am, a shell? 1069587;1427254372;asciilifeform;woah the sheer amount of turdage in that one 1069588;1427254379;nubbins`;it's looooooooooong, hey? 1069589;1427254380;asciilifeform;crapolade that is not possibly used for anything, ever. 1069590;1427254387;asciilifeform;i mean, it's 10x the size 1069591;1427254399;asciilifeform;every possible sound card, gpu,... 1069592;1427254405;nubbins`;i thought i accidentally pasted twice when scrolling down to pastebin submit button! 1069593;1427254410;asciilifeform;no 1069594;1427254449;nubbins`;"for GoFlex Home/Net, Pogoplug E02/Mobile/V4, iConnect, Dockstar, Sheevaplug, NSA320, NSA325, Topkick, and all other Kirkwood plugs that are already in the mainline" 1069595;1427254464;nubbins`;in other words, bring your own scissors :0 1069596;1427254466;asciilifeform;and that is why ten thousand joysticks ? 1069597;1427254471;nubbins`;ha 1069598;1427254524;asciilifeform;still building 1069599;1427254528;asciilifeform;and for who knows how long. 1069600;1427254566;mircea_popescu;!up eric 1069601;1427254642;BingoBoingo;!up eric 1069602;1427254651;nubbins`;shrug 1069603;1427254653;nubbins`;!up eric 1069604;1427254675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17314 @ 0.00021445 = 3.713 BTC [+] 1069605;1427254694;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 1069606;1427254696;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 247.58, Best ask: 247.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 247.97, 24 hour volume: 65174.61242121, 24 hour low: 241.39, 24 hour high: 267.49, 24 hour vwap: None 1069607;1427254720;asciilifeform;nubbins`: no signs of life 1069608;1427254725;asciilifeform;nubbins`: from that kernel. 1069609;1427254760;asciilifeform;(the extra mass in the config was actually from building every possible module. which went into the rootfs and had no impact on the kernel proper) 1069610;1427254767;nubbins`;boo. didja try 3.18 or .16 1069611;1427254771;asciilifeform;anyway it's just as dead as the last maxint kernels 1069612;1427254775;nubbins`;ah 1069613;1427254780;asciilifeform;nubbins`: 3.18 1069614;1427254786;asciilifeform;which comes with buildroot 1069615;1427254795;asciilifeform;using your config 1069616;1427255022;nubbins`;hm 1069617;1427255346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00021445 = 3.9244 BTC [+] 1069618;1427255413;BingoBoingo;perhaps pogolinux is actually just OS/2 with gratuitous text substitution? 1069619;1427255541;*;BingoBoingo also learned today all of his most exotic fire extinguisher ideas have largely been incorporated into class D fire extinguishers already except for the DU based supressant idea 1069620;1427255582;asciilifeform;the famous kerosene fire extinguisher. 1069621;1427255597;asciilifeform;(hey it extinguishes - eventually.) 1069622;1427255613;BingoBoingo;And the carbon tetrachloride fire extinguishing grenade 1069623;1427255714;BingoBoingo;JetA puts out fires pretty well though provided you are flicking a cigarette butt into a bucket of JetA most of the time 1069624;1427255827;BingoBoingo;God dammit, coyotes are back already this year 1069625;1427255943;nubbins`;he's got config files going back to 3.8.11 fwiw 1069626;1427255951;nubbins`;all hyooj 1069627;1427256161;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/sCTDPpQ2 1069628;1427256164;assbot;config-3.18.5-kirkwood-tld-1 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9m3H6 ) 1069629;1427256164;nubbins`;latest 1069630;1427256211;asciilifeform;nubbins`: he has a patch. 1069631;1427256217;asciilifeform;that's the boojum, i think 1069632;1427256255;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/g0Ra5XTa 1069633;1427256257;assbot;linux-3.18.5-kirkwood-tld-1.patch - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9mhOu ) 1069634;1427256264;asciilifeform;guess what, i built a kernel 1069635;1427256266;asciilifeform;that boot 1069636;1427256266;asciilifeform;s 1069637;1427256276;asciilifeform;... and promptly panics 1069638;1427256297;asciilifeform;(because no root fs) 1069639;1427256300;asciilifeform;but hey, works 1069640;1427256314;asciilifeform;using -vanilla buildroot- 1069641;1427256320;nubbins`;oh cool 1069642;1427256322;asciilifeform; make sheevaplug_defconfig 1069643;1427256323;asciilifeform;make 1069644;1427256324;nubbins`;see line 615 in above 1069645;1427256326;asciilifeform;that's it 1069646;1427256342;asciilifeform;didn't use any of the weirdo crap from above link 1069647;1427256375;nubbins`;woo! 1069648;1427256392;asciilifeform;tomorrow evening i'll 1) flash in the rootfs to get something like a working box 1069649;1427256401;asciilifeform;2) mercilessly root out the idiot crud that gets rolled in by default 1069650;1427256405;asciilifeform;(sound cards, etc) 1069651;1427256447;nubbins`;amazing 1069652;1427256447;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1069653;1427256458;nubbins`;THAT'S THE SPIRIT 1069654;1427256472;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: habemus kernelam 1069655;1427256481;mircea_popescu;o hey! 1069656;1427256490;mircea_popescu;who won ? 1069657;1427256493;mircea_popescu;sheeva ? 1069658;1427256493;asciilifeform;me. 1069659;1427256496;mircea_popescu;lol 1069660;1427256562;mircea_popescu;so this is a sheevaplug brew of what, netbsd ? 1069661;1427256567;asciilifeform;nono 1069662;1427256570;asciilifeform;linux 3.18 1069663;1427256651;nubbins`;so you didn't need anything from that patch file? 1069664;1427256662;asciilifeform;apparently not 1069665;1427256674;asciilifeform;the interesting parts were rolled in some time ago in mainline, apparently 1069666;1427256677;asciilifeform;just as i suspected 1069667;1427256705;asciilifeform;7089334f25a0e1d8b09db96da4d61fbdf7ea7aca258fdd20012f85be976c39e63f5bc29842b25f0dc18a8ccdc74ad1e7c4ed7af56faa39b3917f76e082077589 turdel.gz 1069668;1427256731;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski 1069669;1427256732;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel.gz 1069670;1427256738;nubbins`;actually, looking at the pogoplug-related entries in that patch, it's all trivial stuff 1069671;1427256740;nubbins`;front LEDs etc 1069672;1427256746;asciilifeform;nubbins`: not entirely 1069673;1427256757;asciilifeform;nubbins`: there are some memory-mapped i/o iirc 1069674;1427256780;asciilifeform;anyway whoever wants can boot up turdel using my tftp instructions (or by actually flashing it in) and see that it did happen. 1069675;1427256796;asciilifeform;(it croaks, having no meaningful rootfs, but that's for tomorrow) 1069676;1427256799;nubbins`;oh, yeah, i see em 1069677;1427256805;nubbins`;eject button too! 1069678;1427256872;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: netbsd i had running weeks and weeks ago. but it sucks for reasons already described in log 1069679;1427256880;pete_dushenski;thx bb! 1069680;1427256908;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: today by popular demand i went on a little deathmarch and got a source-built traditional linux going on it. 1069681;1427256929;mircea_popescu;cool. 1069682;1427256932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16476 @ 0.00022407 = 3.6918 BTC [+] {2} 1069683;1427256938;*;mircea_popescu looks for a virgin or 40 1069684;1427256951;asciilifeform;this is amply enough to work from 1069685;1427256966;asciilifeform;and can be trimmed into some approximation of good shape. 1069686;1427256975;mircea_popescu;so then, this + 32bit bitcoind and we're done. 1069687;1427256993;mircea_popescu;(in the sense of having a miserable memory leaking low cost node) 1069688;1427256999;asciilifeform;aha 1069689;1427257005;nubbins`;heh 1069690;1427257008;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069353 1069691;1427257008;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 01:20:19; mod6: alright, new droplet created for x32 deb6 testing. 1069692;1427257011;asciilifeform;the one ingredient that is still needed, that i have not attempted at all, is the formatter 1069693;1427257024;mircea_popescu;linux doesn't come with one ?! 1069694;1427257043;nubbins`;fdisk in crontab to be safe 1069695;1427257044;asciilifeform;that is, which detects 1) have we a disk plugged in? 2) if so, has it a blockchain? 3) if plugged in, no blockchain - format disk 1069696;1427257055;asciilifeform;4) start bitcoind (in reset death loop) 1069697;1427257074;asciilifeform;it is also of great importance to blink the correct colour led! 1069698;1427257082;mircea_popescu;aha 1069699;1427257083;nubbins`;yah! 1069700;1427257084;asciilifeform;or else how is operator to know what becomes of his node 1069701;1427257090;asciilifeform;maybe disk is dead 1069702;1427257094;asciilifeform;maybe net connection dead 1069703;1427257096;nubbins`;have the eject button send us a message on irc or something 1069704;1427257108;asciilifeform;nubbins`: pogo4 has no buttons 1069705;1427257144;nubbins`;ah, i thought the purple logo'd one did 1069706;1427257270;trinque;up to the operator to deploy updates later? 1069707;1427257283;asciilifeform;what updates. 1069708;1427257290;trinque;0.5.3.1 is perfect? 1069709;1427257306;BingoBoingo; 0.5.3.1 is perfect? << C doesn't do perfect 1069710;1427257322;asciilifeform;if you must, signed updates 1069711;1427257327;asciilifeform;but i wasn't even thinking of this. 1069712;1427257338;asciilifeform;anyway since when do i have to decide this 1069713;1427257354;asciilifeform;therealbitcoin chairmen, awaken 1069714;1427257377;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6 ? 1069715;1427257429;trinque;bet you could tell it about updates just like deedbot 1069716;1427257437;nubbins`;asciilifeform: my pogo has an eject button :S 1069717;1427257450;asciilifeform;nubbins`: does it actually press? 1069718;1427257459;nubbins`;... 1069719;1427257475;asciilifeform;also whoever it was who marvelled (l0l) at pogo being a 32bit arm - 64bit is lunacy on a box with 128m of ram and no swap 1069720;1427257483;asciilifeform;it just makes pointers take up 2x the space 1069721;1427257488;nubbins`;yes 1069722;1427257494;asciilifeform;and bloats exe by ~2 factor 1069723;1427257532;nubbins`;granted, it doesn't *do* anything atm 1069724;1427257533;asciilifeform;the designer made an entirely rational choice 1069725;1427257536;nubbins`;but it's at least a real button 1069726;1427257547;asciilifeform;nubbins`: would you care to post a photo of the unit ? 1069727;1427257557;asciilifeform;nubbins`: because it is quite clearly different from mine 1069728;1427257620;ben_vulpes;hm? 1069729;1427257631;*;ben_vulpes just cracked the craptop 1069730;1427257637;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: another ingredient, since you were making a list, is the seed list 1069731;1427257639;nubbins`;http://mhassan.me/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/pogoplug_v4_top_removed1.jpg 1069732;1427257641;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9p8He ) 1069733;1427257646;nubbins`;^ that's yours, not mine 1069734;1427257655;nubbins`;next to eth 1069735;1427257656;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall how it has a gigantic seedlist consisting of mostly corpses, compiled in ? 1069736;1427257681;asciilifeform;nubbins`: -that- button 1069737;1427257689;nubbins`;:D 1069738;1427257690;asciilifeform;i have it too 1069739;1427257696;nubbins`;i had to double check 1069740;1427257698;asciilifeform;thought yours might have had a button under the lamp 1069741;1427257708;nubbins`;no. pressed it like 5x to make sure 1069742;1427257722;nubbins`;i wish :/ 1069743;1427257735;nubbins`;instead you need a toothpick 1069744;1427257758;asciilifeform;if ben_vulpes and mod6 decide that we must have an updater (signed, naturally) i suggest that the button be used to trigger it 1069745;1427257763;asciilifeform;loading from attached storage of course 1069746;1427257767;asciilifeform;(not the net) 1069747;1427257797;asciilifeform;at the very minimum, development units ought to have it 1069748;1427257810;ben_vulpes;for pogos? 1069749;1427257821;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: long thread re: pogo. 1069750;1427257825;ben_vulpes;no shit. 1069751;1427257827;nubbins`;if we end up jamming the os onto the nand, you could have it scan SD cards on insert for patches 1069752;1427257845;ben_vulpes;since when is the pogo my project? 1069753;1427257853;asciilifeform;nubbins`: tomorrow rootfs in nand 1069754;1427257859;asciilifeform;the kernel i just posted, sees the nand. 1069755;1427257859;*;nubbins` cheers 1069756;1427257895;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in as far as it may end up the first battlefield deployment of 0.5.3.x - aha. 1069757;1427257901;nubbins`;danielpbarron's project if anyone's 8) 1069758;1427257921;nubbins`;well. alf's if anyone's ! 1069759;1427257927;ben_vulpes;^ 1069760;1427257929;ben_vulpes;yeah, that. 1069761;1427257934;asciilifeform;lol i cleaned a cm of dust off my pogo today. 1069762;1427257939;BingoBoingo;!up Dannyl 1069763;1427257942;ben_vulpes;a cm?! 1069764;1427257942;nubbins`;far be it from me to assume ;D 1069765;1427257965;ben_vulpes;dc air must be miserable 1069766;1427257969;asciilifeform;nah just me 1069767;1427257979;nubbins`;who's got pogos anyway 1069768;1427257993;asciilifeform;i presently am sitting on no fewer than 12. 1069769;1427258006;asciilifeform;and i think mod6 had a bunch 1069770;1427258008;nubbins`;i'll have 3 at some point this week 1069771;1427258013;ben_vulpes;that's a lot of dust... 1069772;1427258015;nubbins`;dpb has at least one 1069773;1427258021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu iirc had some 1069774;1427258027;ben_vulpes;;) 1069775;1427258027;nubbins`;hundreds! 1069776;1427258042;asciilifeform;and possibly punkman 1069777;1427258046;nubbins`;hmm yes 1069778;1427258071;asciilifeform;i'm almost beginning to not-regret picking that machine 1069779;1427258080;asciilifeform;having finally booted a reasonable linux 1069780;1427258080;ben_vulpes;hah 1069781;1427258086;nubbins`;i've got some nebulous plans to kit-ify these & sell em 1069782;1427258087;ben_vulpes;you like things? 1069783;1427258106;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: didn't say 'like,' l0l 1069784;1427258117;ben_vulpes;couldn't resist, boss 1069785;1427258129;asciilifeform;nubbins` do you think you could do a print of some kind over the lid? 1069786;1427258132;asciilifeform;or other parts of chassis 1069787;1427258144;asciilifeform;i was considering lasering mine 1069788;1427258154;nubbins`;some sort of vinyl sticker would be easiest/cheapest 1069789;1427258165;asciilifeform;eh chinese 1069790;1427258168;nubbins`;you wouldn't even need to apply the sticker yourself, people like doing that stuff 1069791;1427258188;asciilifeform;stickers are so 10 yrs ago when we all had that gnu with horns on laptops 1069792;1427258188;BingoBoingo;Does anyone have a python script for computing the odds of adult male of supplied height and weight versus (Y) pack of coyotes if armed with a tack hammer? 1069793;1427258195;nubbins`;you'd want solvent inks to silkscreen on that, and yuck 1069794;1427258206;asciilifeform;nubbins` laser then. 1069795;1427258229;nubbins`;it's too bad the name is already stamped into the top 1069796;1427258234;nubbins`;you could laser a byline or smth tho 1069797;1427258244;asciilifeform;nothing a 40w laser can't fix 1069798;1427258274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7399 @ 0.00021258 = 1.5729 BTC [-] 1069799;1427258276;asciilifeform;now result might be a heap of slag where the logo was 1069800;1427258277;nubbins`;anyone here have a lead on custom injection-molded plastics? 1069801;1427258278;asciilifeform;but ought to try 1069802;1427258279;nubbins`;8D 1069803;1427258301;asciilifeform;nubbins`: if you think pcb is expensive, try injection-molded anything. 1069804;1427258339;nubbins`;recall fake bomb detector story, the one thing the guy always brought when he ran was the tooling 1069805;1427258365;asciilifeform;l0l aha 1069806;1427258375;asciilifeform;ok, quick likbez on 'buildroot' 1069807;1427258389;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, others : 1069808;1427258405;asciilifeform;'buildroot' is this mega-automaton for building cross-compiled os for routers and the like 1069809;1427258423;asciilifeform;it builds, in this order 1) toolchain (using local gcc) for target cpu - gcc and binutils 1069810;1427258427;asciilifeform;2) kernel 1069811;1427258440;mod6;<+asciilifeform> and i think mod6 had a bunch << naw, don't even own one yet. 1069812;1427258442;asciilifeform;3) userland (rootfs image for stuffing wherever, nand in our case) 1069813;1427258453;asciilifeform;the thing is mega-configurable and very baroque 1069814;1427258467;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes mod6 mircea_popescu and other interested parties: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz << neat 1069815;1427258468;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9qF0b ) 1069816;1427258481;asciilifeform;my notion, as of a month plus ago, was to bake the entire orchestra into a buildroot 1069817;1427258490;trinque;my pogo's promised to me by the 3rd 1069818;1427258495;asciilifeform;that is, the same crosscompiler it builds, that builds kernel etc. will also build bitcoind and its deps 1069819;1427258526;nubbins`;ben_vulpes block=191668 ! 1069820;1427258540;asciilifeform;the result ought to be a self-contained bag of shit that, when executed on any reasonable unix, eventually churns out a set of images suitable for flashing to a 'pogo'. 1069821;1427258570;asciilifeform;and yes, this means we freeze gcc, ulibc, etc. in time. 1069822;1427258572;ben_vulpes; mod6 i should stress that *none* of the hardening options are included in that makefile, and it really should not be used for anything other than reference << see, reference y'all 1069823;1427258576;nubbins`;S-CBOS 1069824;1427258579;nubbins`;i like it 1069825;1427258590;ben_vulpes;it pins the protocol 1069826;1427258596;asciilifeform;there we go 1069827;1427258597;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes gets. 1069828;1427258606;ben_vulpes;it's a subtle rapier, not a thing for use in anger. 1069829;1427258609;ben_vulpes;leastaways no time soon. 1069830;1427258632;asciilifeform;little secret re: 'in anger' - ada doesn't need an os... 1069831;1427258640;asciilifeform;(got its own scheduler, aha) 1069832;1427258649;ben_vulpes;k well write a bitcoind then shiva 1069833;1427258658;asciilifeform;i intend to 1069834;1427258662;asciilifeform;but this wasn't a secret, was it 1069835;1427258691;asciilifeform;but it will be some time before anyone is faced with question of what to do with my ver. 1069836;1427258691;ben_vulpes;don't ask me what everyone doesn't know 1069837;1427258756;asciilifeform;i will admit that, with regards to the reference version (let's call it 'traditional') i am especially interested in a tandem-operable variant 1069838;1427258777;ben_vulpes;tandem-operable? 1069839;1427258787;asciilifeform;that is, one which (or, even better, its subcomponents) can be ran in lockstep with another nominally-equivalent program 1069840;1427258796;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: imagine you're mircea_popescu 1069841;1427258817;ben_vulpes;i do this regularly, but in what scenario today? 1069842;1427258820;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: and one of the folks here (not guaranteed that it'll be me) writes a spiffy 'ab initio' bitcoind 1069843;1427258843;trinque;right, you'll want to check them against each other before making the leap 1069844;1427258863;trinque;if you ever actually leap 1069845;1427258871;asciilifeform;trinque: because of the difficulty, and ultimately the very real practical limits of programmatic proof, tandem is likely our fate for many years. 1069846;1427258884;asciilifeform;or at least the fate of truly serious folks with much to lose 1069847;1427258893;trinque;asciilifeform: will also be useful to out any fuckery of the phoundation client later down the chain 1069848;1427258910;asciilifeform;(i for one will happily jump with the parachute i packed for self. but my carcass isn't worth especially much) 1069849;1427258958;ben_vulpes;i don't understand what's so special about 'tandem operable' 1069850;1427258967;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: good question: 1069851;1427258970;nubbins`;there's no POSIX standard for bitcoin 1069852;1427258975;nubbins`;8) 1069853;1427258986;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you *built* a chute? 1069854;1427258990;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the implication is that various internals are accessible, and flow can be stopped 1069855;1427258994;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not literally 1069856;1427259010;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: referring to a tradition in certain armies where men are expected to wrap own parachute 1069857;1427259011;asciilifeform;and sign it 1069858;1427259015;asciilifeform;before it is used 1069859;1427259023;asciilifeform;'i packed this. --mr grunt' 1069860;1427259024;ben_vulpes;right. 1069861;1427259030;ben_vulpes;gotcha. 1069862;1427259037;asciilifeform;then, if they find a pancake, there is no question of 'whodunit' 1069863;1427259092;ben_vulpes; you can't postpone everything until everything else just like you can't have everything louder than everything else. << i think i found where this started 1069864;1427259097;asciilifeform;(fwiw, my father informs me that this custom was unknown in his unit, and only expert was trusted with wrapping chutes) 1069865;1427259144;nubbins`;whoever survived the first time they tried the signatures was deemed an expert and dispersed throughout the other units 1069866;1427259154;ben_vulpes;hyuuu 1069867;1427259283;asciilifeform;the photo mats randomly posted today is, incidentally, a picturesque metaphor for what we're doing. 1069868;1427259296;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-03-2015#1068467 1069869;1427259296;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 19:20:12; mats: http://i.imgur.com/09FTJTl.jpg pictured: one partially disassembled hellfire missile 1069870;1427259312;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ? << this actually raises the all-important question of priority list 1069871;1427259434;ben_vulpes;ah hey check it out! 1069872;1427259445;ben_vulpes;i get to strike #1 off the foundation todo list! 1069873;1427259462;ben_vulpes;Goals: 1069874;1427259463;ben_vulpes;1. Cut a build 1069875;1427259467;nubbins`;woop 1069876;1427259480;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: guess what #2 is 1069877;1427259489;nubbins`;jam it on a pogo! 1069878;1427259504;ben_vulpes;hey 1069879;1427259506;ben_vulpes;you 1069880;1427259515;*;nubbins` zips lips, raises hand 1069881;1427259548;ben_vulpes;nubbins`? 1069882;1427259559;nubbins`;spoke outta turn! 1069883;1427259569;ben_vulpes;i'm calling on you lol 1069884;1427259597;ben_vulpes;and no, it's not pogo 1069885;1427259724;*;asciilifeform hasn't a clue 1069886;1427259725;nubbins`;REGRESSION TESTING! 1069887;1427259733;ben_vulpes;bastard block fix. 1069888;1427259740;nubbins`;YEAH! 1069889;1427259751;ben_vulpes;nubbins` pre-release regression testing is pretty dumb-dumb right now 1069890;1427259753;ben_vulpes;build 1069891;1427259755;nubbins`;ha 1069892;1427259755;ben_vulpes;sync with mainnet 1069893;1427259764;ben_vulpes;send 1069894;1427259770;ben_vulpes;well, send *to* 1069895;1427259773;asciilifeform;eh i know it isn't 'sexy' but don't forget the seed list. 1069896;1427259775;ben_vulpes;then send *from* 1069897;1427259783;asciilifeform;the one that's in there now is unusable. 1069898;1427259793;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: right hang on let me diddle this text for a second 1069899;1427259795;nubbins`;we'll need more seeds 1069900;1427259801;asciilifeform;and did the dns seed snip ever get merged ? 1069901;1427259805;ben_vulpes;no. 1069902;1427259809;ben_vulpes;maybe? 1069903;1427259816;asciilifeform;aha so it's pointing straight at phoundation's dns 1069904;1427259824;*;ben_vulpes checks turdolator 1069905;1427259828;asciilifeform;they can send the whole lot of us to dev/null 1069906;1427259829;nubbins`;i don't think so 1069907;1427259840;nubbins`;almost certainly not, no 1069908;1427259871;ben_vulpes;anyone who runs without -connect is asking for it in the arse. 1069909;1427259974;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069706 << of course. 1069910;1427259974;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 04:21:10; trinque: up to the operator to deploy updates later? 1069911;1427260036;ben_vulpes;kark its breeks lol 1069912;1427260063;ben_vulpes;what does that even *mean* asciilifeform? 1069913;1427260088;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069747 seems that's 64 bit only now o.O << ahaha in between this line and my logreading mod6 posted a patch 1070004;1427261764;ben_vulpes;hooray you fiend you 1070005;1427261783;mircea_popescu;ayup 1070006;1427261798;mircea_popescu;was keeping my fingers crossed for it being just you know, two lines and a whistle. 1070007;1427261929;ben_vulpes; we're assholes, yet here we are trying << "a for effort" 1070008;1427262032;BingoBoingo; (fwiw, my father informs me that this custom was unknown in his unit, and only expert was trusted with wrapping chutes) << Many ground pounders in the extended family, slosest one to using chute at all broke ankle on helachoppa repel 1070009;1427262700;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1070010;1427262704;gribble;Current Blocks: 349129 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1654 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 20 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52321389587.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.99515 1070011;1427262784;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069289 << no man, the solid *is* the drone. 1070012;1427262784;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 00:37:43; assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 06:08:33; ben_vulpes: I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants... 1070013;1427262787;ben_vulpes;it's just disposable. 1070014;1427262795;ben_vulpes;and you can take fifty of them with you in a backpack...anywhere. 1070015;1427262942;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/307kye/an_entire_us_school_district_is_having_its_whole/cppze19 1070016;1427262944;assbot;ButterNubber comments on An entire US school district is having its whole network held hostage for a 500 bitcoin ransom. The FBI and Homeland Security are getting involved. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GifYv8 ) 1070017;1427263135;mircea_popescu;alternatively, they coul;d just ditch shit-o-soft... 1070018;1427263252;BingoBoingo;Or Coindesk/buzz could stop inflating the typical numbers ransomeware demands 1070019;1427263271;ben_vulpes;just had a "don't blame the hackers" conversation. 1070020;1427263289;ben_vulpes;"two decades of malicious microsoft sales. you have to expect the attacks, and the schools are simply the widest-open targets." 1070021;1427263366;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Schools used to tend towards Mac fo a reason and that was Nvir vs all those damn DOS & Windows virii 1070022;1427263404;ben_vulpes;okay i'm logged 1070023;1427263409;ben_vulpes;no, nodes don't get updated. 1070024;1427263460;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, mod6: keep it up 1070025;1427263542;ben_vulpes;me, i have beds to burrow into 1070026;1427263562;BingoBoingo;SO, brainstorm, could anything real be within 4x as fast as fundnations headers only? 1070027;1427263814;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1070028;1427263866;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I have no backing for that brainturd. Just inundating el braino with tequila given seekrit mission otd. 1070029;1427264181;mircea_popescu;:p 1070030;1427264253;BingoBoingo;lol 1070031;1427264582;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067789 << well, i'd expect no less from schneier. 1070032;1427264582;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 14:41:46; mats: ive personally confirmed with schneier - in person - and have second-hand confirmations by others who have interacted with recipients of leaks 1070033;1427264729;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067830 << the "tor stinks" evidence is in the public record. 1070034;1427264729;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 14:51:20; mats: look, i'm putting my skepticism on the record. if there was evidence, it'd look like 'Tor Stinks' or the slides from Der Spiegel's work on the Belgacom pwnage. i'm not saying that Dual_EC_DRBG doesn't have obvious flaws or that anyone should continue using it, but my skepticism regarding it being an intentional backdoor remains 1070035;1427264773;mircea_popescu;but importantly, your skepticism, while amply affirmed, is not supported by anything else. so you're skeptical of x theory, as an aesthetic matter. good for you. what's that do ? 1070036;1427264846;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067841 << and more importantly : improductive to try. the guy who we hang if we consider it malice doesn't belong to us anyway. if he were in the wot maybe the point would be remotely worht considering 1070037;1427264846;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 14:54:16; fluffypony: I think it's very hard to tell the difference between mistake and malice. 1070038;1427264858;mircea_popescu;but for the fate of a random usg muppet ? dude, burn him down, his name won't even be remembered. 1070039;1427264860;mircea_popescu;who cares ? 1070040;1427264970;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067856 << all the excitedness about it recently re bitcoin does make it look suspicious. 1070041;1427264970;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 14:55:51; fluffypony: DJB believes secp256k1 is broken 1070042;1427265028;BingoBoingo;More suspicious than niggers.o as a library function? 1070043;1427265104;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, Daniel J. Bernstein is merely going by ec2, which is based on cm field discriminants / laders and indistinguishability 1070044;1427265114;mircea_popescu;none of these seem, at least superficially, to be directly relevant to the usecase. 1070045;1427265168;mircea_popescu;particularly the ladder... so it's not a montgommery curve. so what. 1070046;1427265198;BingoBoingo;DJB also has inherent paranoia to the point http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/forum/23-risperdal-risperidone-invega-paliperidone/ to the point of lactation may be a substitute for grains of salt 1070047;1427265200;assbot;Risperdal (risperidone) & Invega (paliperidone) - Crazy Talk: The Crazymeds Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkTKD4 ) 1070048;1427265270;nubbins`; ugh: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30562s/bitnodes_will_be_releasing_plug_play_bitcoin_node/ ... we removed bitnodes as a dnsseed in bitcoin core because they kept engaging in sketchy behavior, and IMO dishonest. (e.g. we'd ask them to stop connecting at super high frequency to monitor every node in the network, and they said they would.. and a month later they instead had a perpetual 1070049;1427265272;assbot;Bitnodes will be releasing plug & play Bitcoin node hardware mid-2015! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkTWT0 ) 1070050;1427265290;mircea_popescu;the cm field issue is probably the most concerning, and if there's a baked in backdoor (something like, say, nsa is able to directly see through maybe 10% of all keys ever generated ?) that's where it'd be, that 3= -1 * 3≈ -2^1.6 property it shares with weak curves like bn(2,254) etc. 1070051;1427265432;nubbins`;<+ben_vulpes> http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << current contents of foundation hopes and dreams and todos list << it vanished, dpaste sux 1070052;1427265433;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkUnMR ) 1070053;1427265453;mircea_popescu;well alternatively a) deedbot b) set the damned timer. 1070054;1427265477;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067870 << heh, alf is more poetic than me. 1070055;1427265477;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 15:01:59; asciilifeform: yes, some crypto designers make mistake, they are good people, sure, whatever. i will borrow from slavoj žižek and say then 'we put them to a good wall, shoot them with a good bullet from a good gun, and bury them in with a good shove in the good earth' - since sure, they are good people. 1070056;1427265552;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067898 << fleas do not come from dirt. 1070057;1427265552;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 15:05:28; asciilifeform: that from -tolerasty- comes poettering & crew. 1070058;1427265591;midnightmagic;BingoBoingo: sorry.. what? lactation and salt paranoia? 1070059;1427265653;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067925 << a request not unlike "so you found drugs in his car ? but where's the notebook ? no notebook, no conviction!" 1070060;1427265653;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 15:13:34; mats: show me the motherfucking evidence! you mean to tell me these bureaucrats decided not to commit anything to paper this go-around? 1070061;1427265654;Adlai;re: montgomery ladder, you can implement constant-time secp256k1, but it's a pita 1070062;1427265663;mircea_popescu;Adlai it is. 1070063;1427265669;BingoBoingo;midnightmagic: Oh, I was jsut supposing risperidone as an alternative to grains of salt 1070064;1427265675;mircea_popescu;not sure it's particularly a point of interest for bitcoin for that matter. 1070065;1427265685;Adlai;(this seems to be djb's real reason behind discounting curves without a *convenient* constant-time algorithm) 1070066;1427265696;mircea_popescu;only on THAT one score. 1070067;1427265707;mircea_popescu;256k1 fails VERY hard on what are more relevant criteria. 1070068;1427265747;trinque;nubbins` | <+ben_vulpes> http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << current contents of foundation hopes and dreams and todos list << it vanished, dpaste sux << had the tab http://dpaste.com/2MAHAB9.txt 1070069;1427265748;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1GizasF ) 1070070;1427265749;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GizaJ8 ) 1070071;1427265761;mircea_popescu;FIRST B-A LEAK!11 1070072;1427265770;trinque;boom 1070073;1427265795;BingoBoingo;Someone pkg_add for qntra and claim words/shares 1070074;1427265855;nubbins`;aww yeah 1070075;1427265921;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067965 << another one 1070076;1427265921;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 15:35:34; nubbins`: this place has done more to fundamentally change my thought processes than six years at university 1070077;1427265924;mircea_popescu;buncha cultists. 1070078;1427265945;nubbins`;i know, and all they gave me was a b.sc. 1070079;1427265982;*;BingoBoingo has an M.I.Forget.All.The.Letters 1070080;1427266203;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << myup, fat-fingered the expiration 1070081;1427266204;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkWWhZ ) 1070082;1427266255;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068035 << no, it's a claim made here. 1070083;1427266255;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 16:22:37; mats: the claim i'm most concerned about is that the weakness was engineered by NSA, and that, by having approved it, NIST was complicit, thus casting doubt on all other NIST standards 1070084;1427266282;mircea_popescu;nist specifically is hostis humani generis due to that and similar mishaps. 1070085;1427266298;BingoBoingo;Everything about NIST that isn't pure time sucks 1070086;1427266344;BingoBoingo;Even then Rubidium standards are cheap. Run Ntpd as Stratum 1. 1070087;1427266368;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068045 << no "figuring out" is contemplated or desired. that division is desired, so that the loafers can dangle. 1070088;1427266368;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 16:27:38; mats: leaving us with no real basis for actually figuring out the situation. 1070089;1427266388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 290 @ 0.00347999 = 1.0092 BTC [+] {2} 1070090;1427266402;mircea_popescu;the point of a functioning intellect isn't to make one one with the universe. the point of a functioning intellect is to make it impossible for the universe to make itself one with one. 1070091;1427266418;mircea_popescu;as in, i don't think so i can go wallow in the mud. i think so the mud can't come wallowing on me. 1070092;1427266529;BingoBoingo; as in, i don't think so i can go wallow in the mud. i think so the mud can't come wallowing on me. << I wasted years 19 to 27 with the contrapositive here pls don't make the mistake 1070093;1427266589;nubbins`;sleep 1070094;1427266726;mircea_popescu;lol check out pete_dushenski writing lots 1070095;1427266748;BingoBoingo;!up brendafdez 1070096;1427266763;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm pround of pete 1070097;1427266782;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068066 << a possible explanation is that jamaica has been turned by its reputation for "place for middle aged white women to come have a brown baby" into a very specific sort of strip joint. 1070098;1427266782;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 16:47:19; pete_dushenski: on one end is disinterest, a la paris or w/e, on the other end is entitlement 1070099;1427266798;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't complain that the strippers don't wait on tables properly, would you ? as a woman ? 1070100;1427266832;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: well ty 1070101;1427266852;BingoBoingo; you wouldn't complain that the strippers don't wait on tables properly, would you ? as a woman ? << Serious labor problem here in the Middle West. Strippers aren't table servers 1070102;1427266857;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: suppose not. 1070103;1427266866;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068081 << this is a discogent antiargument because people here don't generally dig ditches for a living. obviously someone who leverages doesn't revert to data entry as a job. 1070104;1427266866;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 16:50:29; nubbins`: how much of your own time do you waste on maybes? 1070105;1427266926;brendafdez;I was just approved to join the linux for women mailing list. In the welcome email I'm both reminded that 'what happens on list stays on list' (no archives or sharing) and they also say literally "You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: XGx4#KmI#HeF%P7C^ Normally, Mailman will remind you of your linuxchix.org mailing list passwords once every month, alt 1070106;1427266926;brendafdez;hough you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you." 1070107;1427266962;brendafdez;I like it when they tell me right away that their security is crap. So I don't have to wonder. Here, hashed what? 1070108;1427266972;pete_dushenski;sweet, sweet leverage 1070109;1427266979;mircea_popescu;http://www.cuckoldvideoclips.com/myslutwife2/ sauce. 1070110;1427266980;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkZ9u0 ) 1070111;1427266991;pete_dushenski;speaking of which, turns out that bitcoin atms can actually make a buck! 1070112;1427267014;pete_dushenski;;;seen adamobrien 1070113;1427267015;gribble;I have not seen adamobrien. 1070114;1427267025;pete_dushenski;or what was it... 1070115;1427267093;pete_dushenski;;;seen adam_obrien 1070116;1427267093;gribble;adam_obrien was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 48 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: I have to run here, if any of you need Bitcoin give me a ping adam@btcsolutions.ca 1070117;1427267148;pete_dushenski;^we had coffee today and apparently one of his lamassus did CAD$25k in transactions last month. at 8% commission 1070118;1427267209;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068136 << every idiot's approach works well enough for him. shit, mr lazer handycraftsman's approach workes well enough for him 1070119;1427267209;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 17:04:54; nubbins`: anyway tl;dr their approach works well enough for them 1070120;1427267214;mircea_popescu;and for the forum retards at that. 1070121;1427267222;pete_dushenski;he has a couple other too, none do quite that well but i was reasonably impressed that he hadn't lost his shirt 1070122;1427267277;pete_dushenski;probably helps that cavirtex is tubed. 1070123;1427267313;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068157 << clearly shot down by the italian separatists under berlusconi 1070124;1427267313;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 17:14:37; pete_dushenski: this is assuming it wasn't hacked, shot down, etc. 1070125;1427267352;pete_dushenski;'clearly' because ... ? 1070126;1427267406;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the world works. 1070127;1427267412;mircea_popescu;italy is massing army at the french border 1070128;1427267414;mircea_popescu;herpity-derp 1070129;1427267439;mircea_popescu;those imperialistic dreams of the papal states were apparently never extinguished! 1070130;1427267459;pete_dushenski;lol aok 1070131;1427267500;pete_dushenski;well i for one would like to see what the argentinian in the big house could muster as far as a military goes 1070132;1427267556;mircea_popescu;http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54bb4cfce4b045585ada36f7/t/5510d89ce4b0fda1fcf4a144/1427167390317/ << o look, overweight, impotent, irrelvant and fundamentally cowardly white middleaged men clining to the unwarranted pretense of relevance. 1070133;1427267556;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xxAFS9 ) 1070134;1427267563;mircea_popescu;srsly guise, you do all that ? 1070135;1427267567;pete_dushenski;he's in far better condition to charge into battle than the hitler youth opa 1070136;1427267567;mircea_popescu;i bet your mom cares. 1070137;1427267594;pete_dushenski;ha, just read that too 1070138;1427267596;mircea_popescu;battle i dunno about, but off tune melee for a few hours - sure. 1070139;1427267649;pete_dushenski;symbolically sufficient 1070140;1427267715;mircea_popescu;ascii_field: 1070141;1427267715;mircea_popescu;'According to reporting, "1.6 percent of developers earn more than the other 98.4 percent combined. And the bottom 47 percent of engineers earn less than $100 per month." << o chjecxk it out asciilifeform! as jurov sayz, clearly this isn't working o.O 1070142;1427267750;mircea_popescu;note that out of that 1.6%, about 1.5% is state-sponsored crapolade a la zynga. leaving the other 0.1% with an accidental 55k this year, which is barely enough to you know, pay rent. 1070143;1427267753;mircea_popescu;and next year... 1070144;1427267754;brendafdez;such inequality 1070145;1427267757;pete_dushenski;^the 'gold rush' 1070146;1427267757;mircea_popescu;well you don't win the lottery each year. 1070147;1427267787;pete_dushenski;sorta like mining btc on your laptop 1070148;1427267808;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068229 << see! it bothers you when usians do it. somehow, orlov-tolerant. 1070149;1427267808;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 18:03:12; ascii_field: or do words have no meaning to him 1070150;1427267811;mircea_popescu;nationalist! 1070151;1427267893;pete_dushenski;nationalist workerbee. best defense against meta problem! 1070152;1427267904;*;BingoBoingo is tone deaf 1070153;1427267925;*;BingoBoingo did not know I was tone deaf until admited to US college as music specialist 1070154;1427267942;pete_dushenski;you'll just have to trust me that i'm a decent singer then. 1070155;1427267958;*;BingoBoingo is great at karaoke though 1070156;1427268010;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo most people that i've seen karaoke fit this boring midwestern 30something so-so woman type. 1070157;1427268028;mircea_popescu;to the point in my head it connotes that, like bingo connotes old jewish women 1070158;1427268068;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo most people that i've seen karaoke fit this boring midwestern 30something so-so woman type. << But that's easy mode to getting your dick wet. It works 1070159;1427268107;pete_dushenski;cheek-pinching connotes stereotypical old jewish women for me 1070160;1427268168;pete_dushenski;real ones: schmetten torte 1070161;1427268184;BingoBoingo;I dunno that I've ever met an old jewish woman 1070162;1427268253;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068268 << i spent prolly 3-500 bucks on my foray in ipad gaming 1070163;1427268253;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 18:15:00; funkenstein_: i refuse to admit that any creature would pay for an app 1070164;1427268294;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: some are sneaky. you may have met one and not known it. 1070165;1427268339;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I've met plenty of young jews and gotten along fine. The mythic old jews are something else 1070166;1427268400;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l3wco9zVao << 'you can barely see her horns' 1070167;1427268401;assbot;borat at jews house - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xxCcHU ) 1070168;1427268401;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068306 << ayup 1070169;1427268401;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 18:21:31; trinque: best thing about gossipd is probably going to be writing software around it 1070170;1427268466;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070096 << so is this where you, like, finally !rate me or something ? 1070171;1427268466;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 06:59:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm pround of pete 1070172;1427268485;mircea_popescu;!rated pete_dushenski 1070173;1427268485;assbot;You rated user pete_dushenski on 08-Jul-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Pimp.. 1070174;1427268548;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I thought I rated you earlier. If not leave a not. I'm too pickled atm to access important keys. Insufficiently skilled at the knife. 1070175;1427268577;brendafdez;Scared that drugs would work? 1070176;1427268581;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068333 << there's exactly one field where payware is the only weay to go, and that's games. 1070177;1427268581;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 18:24:31; ascii_field: nubbins`: payware costing money is by far the least significant problem with it, in my experience 1070178;1427268644;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo please to be less pickled :D 1070179;1427268645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00021785 = 1.3507 BTC [-] 1070180;1427268645;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1070181;1427268727;mircea_popescu;lol there's little more amusing than seeing people try various fringe ideologies on b-a. 1070182;1427268738;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: That would involve untrusted 3rd parties 1070183;1427268748;mircea_popescu;dudes you should totally not eat meat and use free software! 1070184;1427268801;pete_dushenski;or not eat software and use free meat. 1070185;1427268805;BingoBoingo;brendafdez: Certain classes of drugs have a history of being very effectual on me, but most drugs dropped in drink I have a strongly trained cross tolerance to. 1070186;1427268822;mircea_popescu;i do use free meat! 1070187;1427268837;mircea_popescu;uh i mean... i freely use meat. 1070188;1427268850;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: well, i'll bug you another time i guess. i just tend to strike when the iron is hot, even if the iron is also blackout wasted. 1070189;1427268877;Adlai;;;ticker --market all 1070190;1427268883;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 237.14, vol: 21462.80141475 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 235.98, vol: 15570.03822 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 236.01, vol: 76464.99214271 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 244.0, vol: 54.30174294 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 233.579688, vol: 199715.62230000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 240.0, vol: 37.55828405 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 242.7126, vol: 148.46250756 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1070191;1427268895;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But when the backbody is emitting in the IR spectrum> 1070192;1427268897;BingoBoingo;? 1070193;1427268945;pete_dushenski;hopefully the front isn't ? 1070194;1427269066;BingoBoingo;lol 1070195;1427269134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00021785 = 1.416 BTC [-] 1070196;1427269300;BingoBoingo;!up badon 1070197;1427269509;pete_dushenski;"Jordan has signed a $10bn deal with Russia to build the kingdom's first nuclear power plant, with two 1,000-megawatt reactors in the country's north." << someone is actually building nuclear reactors these days. 1070198;1427269567;BingoBoingo; "Jordan has signed a $10bn deal with Russia to build the kingdom's first nuclear power plant, with two 1,000-megawatt reactors in the country's north." << someone is actually building nuclear reactors these days. << /me remembers when King Hussein was the "Good Guy" (TM) 1070199;1427269574;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068531 << this made exactly no sense. 1070200;1427269574;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 20:01:21; thestringpuller: ascii_field: snore for now, but if they start selling, they lower barrier to fork. 1070201;1427269586;pete_dushenski;i should say, 'someone is importing reactor designs' 1070202;1427269596;mircea_popescu;you don't seriously imagine the rasbperry pi 150 dollar node a) can achieve critical mass or b) can support gavincoin ? 1070203;1427269612;mircea_popescu;a is a non starter because their demo is reddit demo = poor people. it has to be free or no dice. 1070204;1427269618;mircea_popescu;b is a non starter because srsly, do the maffs. 1070205;1427269633;mircea_popescu;all that thing's doing is a more expensive, less useful, bitcoin node. 1070206;1427269659;pete_dushenski;i'm guessing that china, russia, india reactors are in-house worx 1070207;1427269692;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: not so long ago eh. 1070208;1427269756;BingoBoingo;I support thestringpuller's idea that it could be dangerous because how much can it cost USG to rack 3 tons of banana pi's 1070209;1427269939;pete_dushenski;except gov't doesn't do economical things like that 1070210;1427269947;pete_dushenski;it's nature is to do uneconomical things. 1070211;1427269952;pete_dushenski;its* 1070212;1427270017;*;BingoBoingo wonders if anyone else here remembers when the Library marketed LOCKSS solution was based on OBSD 1070213;1427270303;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dangerous doing what. 1070214;1427270375;BingoBoingo;When did I say dangerous in this convo tonight? 1070215;1427270396;mircea_popescu; I support thestringpuller's idea that it could be dangerous < 1070216;1427270410;BingoBoingo;I was just asking if people remember a distributed memory safe system beign abandoned. 1070217;1427270415;mircea_popescu;and holy shit this logging up took forever. 1070218;1427270444;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo mebbe i misread. 1070219;1427270449;BingoBoingo; I support thestringpuller's idea that it could be dangerous < << Ah, I'm just thinking he might have a better measure of the enemy's pulse. 1070220;1427270461;mircea_popescu;better than whom, and why would that be ? 1070221;1427270492;mircea_popescu;dude look at that graph, mpoe fell of a cliff in slow motion. 1070222;1427270504;mircea_popescu;and it follows the bitcoin curve to boot! 1070223;1427270519;mircea_popescu;someone been playing teh big bad wolf ? i hope i haven't disappointed by not being impressed ? 1070224;1427270532;BingoBoingo;''vishnuplug 1070225;1427270540;BingoBoingo;^FU 1070226;1427270654;*;BingoBoingo feels liek ButtBetting Soon 1070227;1427270893;pete_dushenski;alright gang, off to dream about the next papal wars. 1070228;1427270899;pete_dushenski;g'night 1070229;1427271111;mircea_popescu;it totally was a puk missile! 1070230;1427271186;mircea_popescu;cazalla im not so sure about "differnent site". in any case same quantcast codes, so... 1070231;1427271244;BingoBoingo; cazalla im not so sure about "differnent site". in any case same quantcast codes, so... << SHHHHHH.... same atm 1070232;1427271257;mircea_popescu;so they should be. 1070233;1427271269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00021896 = 4.1493 BTC [+] {2} 1070234;1427272264;BingoBoingo;!up beetcoin 1070235;1427272268;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve 1070236;1427272276;BingoBoingo;!up gabridome 1070237;1427274434;brendafdez; Feel free to ask in chan why Bingo loves the Motorola 68K chips 1070238;1427274442;brendafdez;if you ask me to ask ;) 1070239;1427274467;BingoBoingo;lol, because I can play mario on my calculator 1070240;1427274482;BingoBoingo;:; 1070241;1427274525;brendafdez;i had a TI-86 to cheat in school 1070242;1427274545;BingoBoingo;skipped it for the -89 1070243;1427274575;brendafdez;8) 1070244;1427274606;BingoBoingo;The -89 did algebra if you put it in right... 1070245;1427274655;brendafdez;i never got algebra, it was like as far as i can write notes, the calculator is ok for me 1070246;1427274684;BingoBoingo;Algebra can have a lot of meanings 1070247;1427274712;brendafdez;i'll feel dumb discussing it here, now i regret moving to chan :P 1070248;1427274735;BingoBoingo;Algebra spans a spectrum from HS math to Gimme meth Imma not Erdos 1070249;1427274765;jurov;http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-03-25 heh 1070250;1427274766;assbot;Wally Does Economic Babble Talk - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2015-03-25 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ... ( http://bit.ly/1GjAGuF ) 1070251;1427274794;BingoBoingo;Wally knows, 1070252;1427274809;BingoBoingo;Wally fucking knows! 1070253;1427274815;brendafdez;what i know is that i failed every single exam in my life which had word algebra somewhere 1070254;1427274836;brendafdez;consistent results, always miserable utter failure 1070255;1427274849;BingoBoingo;;( 1070256;1427274900;brendafdez;back then i thoguth i was oing to study engineering but this made me change my mind and say, ok... maybe law will be easier, less numbers, no algebra. Sadly no calculator to cheat either. 1070257;1427274929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27473 @ 0.00022178 = 6.093 BTC [+] {2} 1070258;1427274963;*;BingoBoingo thought was going to be mathmagician, downgraded to teacher, to lawyer, to librarian 1070259;1427275003;brendafdez;i ended up just being a pretend bitcoiner 1070260;1427275026;brendafdez;didn't last more than a year in law school either, although it was in fact easier than math 1070261;1427275125;*;BingoBoingo nevar made it from applied to law student in spite of 178 on LSat assumed to naturally shady to be a lawyer 1070262;1427275631;cazalla;wru scoopbot 1070263;1427275715;davout;jurov: kek 1070264;1427275729;mircea_popescu;o check it out, a davout 1070265;1427275746;davout;yeah, touch me i'm french 1070266;1427275761;mircea_popescu;can i kiss you you're french ? 1070267;1427275802;davout;no tongue plox 1070268;1427275809;mircea_popescu;no, tongue is british. 1070269;1427275832;davout;fish & chips is british, all the rest was invented by the french 1070270;1427275838;mircea_popescu;haha, dilbert does butts now ?! 1070271;1427275915;cazalla;i hear brendafdez has got a baby in es.qntra.net 1070272;1427275932;cazalla;hop to it, your shares await brendafdez 1070273;1427275935;davout;me gusta 1070274;1427275975;brendafdez; I always take a long time before I do anything, so as to be sure that I won't fail to disappoint everyone involved. 1070275;1427275975;brendafdez; Ah 1070276;1427276005;mircea_popescu;brendafdez better get out of the defensive shell of stupid and work your butt off, i think. 1070277;1427276045;cazalla;i'm catching up on logs so i'm sure i'll get to that discussion soon 1070278;1427276090;mircea_popescu;wasn't in there i dun think ? 1070279;1427276132;cazalla;mircea_popescu, oh? i thought she was quoting herself from an earlier conversation or something 1070280;1427276143;*;BingoBoingo a liter in deeper than when I last touched the skunkswork project 1070281;1427276166;mircea_popescu;prolly private. 1070282;1427276176;BingoBoingo;What isn't? 1070283;1427276209;mircea_popescu;cazalla i was thinking btw, on the general principle of translations. what do you think of a model where translations, be they en to es, or es to en or cn to en or whatever they may be count for half the shares ? 1070284;1427276211;BingoBoingo;It isn't like I plan to battle syphillis anytime soon again 1070285;1427276242;mircea_popescu;also, articles written by drunk people only counted for 13.37% of normal wordage? 1070286;1427276258;BingoBoingo; cazalla i was thinking btw, on the general principle of translations. what do you think of a model where translations, be they en to es, or es to en or cn to en or whatever they may be count for half the shares ? << +10%vote unless that is horribly uneconomical 1070287;1427276271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00022406 = 6.6098 BTC [+] {3} 1070288;1427276277;BingoBoingo; also, articles written by drunk people only counted for 13.37% of normal wordage? << Also totes fair 1070289;1427276278;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what's +10%vote mean ? 1070290;1427276308;davout;mircea_popescu: half the shares of the original article? or half the shares of the translated piece? i'd say the former makes more sense 1070291;1427276334;mircea_popescu;hm. 1070292;1427276348;mircea_popescu;shit. languages are so fucking difficult. 1070293;1427276362;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo what's +10%vote mean ? << You and cazalla are 20% a piece I throw my 10% behind translations, because we aren't fucking Cointelegrah with seperate US and UK press releases 1070294;1427276373;mircea_popescu;the first time today i sat here and couldn't figure out a problem was when i tried to parse davout's proposal. brain just can't cope. 1070295;1427276389;cazalla;BingoBoingo, they have indian and greek too now! 1070296;1427276391;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so you're thinking translation more like 2/3 ? 1070297;1427276434;mircea_popescu;davout how do you figure which makes more sense ? 1070298;1427276436;BingoBoingo;I thin translation is between 1/2 to 2/3rds. A full 1 if from strange to Eng 1070299;1427276466;cazalla;i really don't see the issue with matching it 1:1 on the basis translation is useful, es not as much as cn but still 1070300;1427276466;davout;mircea_popescu: some languages are much shorter than others, dutch is much denser than french for example 1070301;1427276474;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the thing is, if you give them parity you'll end up with you know, hungarian translation of 500 qntra articles diluting you to shit. 1070302;1427276499;cazalla;but then seeing i can only speaka da english , i am prolly not qualified to "opine" on such matters lol 1070303;1427276500;mircea_popescu;cazalla so then let them be 1:1 but only allow basically es, en, cn and mebbe portuguese ? 1070304;1427276510;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo the thing is, if you give them parity you'll end up with you know, hungarian translation of 500 qntra articles diluting you to shit << Editors discretion. Fucking hungarian sucks, not a lang 1070305;1427276523;mircea_popescu;it's as much a language as finish is! 1070306;1427276536;BingoBoingo;Finish not a lang either, it is a goal 1070307;1427276540;mircea_popescu;and before you dismiss that, you should see what fucking tits & ass lean tall blonde stuff they produce! 1070308;1427276548;cazalla;why would we want anything other than spanish and chinesey? 1070309;1427276565;mircea_popescu;cazalla so basically, extended cultural imperialism ? 1070310;1427276569;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i could go withj that. 1070311;1427276571;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I hurd they were on US feminist diabeetus diet 1070312;1427276579;cazalla;maybe arabic 1070313;1427276587;cazalla;but other than that, those are top 3 next to english i assume 1070314;1427276588;mircea_popescu;but prolly portuguese > spanish, on account of... well... brazil is like > south america. 1070315;1427276597;cazalla;oh russian.. here we go, give an inch.. 1070316;1427276602;mircea_popescu;right ? 1070317;1427276623;mircea_popescu;russian, japanese right ? then all the arabs will get pissy because why do we pick the one or the other ? 1070318;1427276638;BingoBoingo;I could see placing spanish well before portugese because fuck brazil if they aren't waxing 1070319;1427276645;mircea_popescu;but i don't think we can go "all bitcoin happens in english fuck you" 1070320;1427276653;BingoBoingo;Not at all 1070321;1427276668;Adlai;put it to shareholder votes. want more incentive for translations in your language? gotta pay to have a say, like in 'real' politics 1070322;1427276671;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo brazil is waxing yo. and btw, general point : girls get their tit implants age 16 down here. 1070323;1427276677;BingoBoingo;I think we focus on trade languages of En ES and Fu 1070324;1427276687;mircea_popescu;it's like a bat mitzvah gift. 1070325;1427276701;brendafdez;tit implants :) 1070326;1427276711;mircea_popescu;Adlai how are the shareholders paying exactly ? 1070327;1427276757;Adlai;those who want more compensation for translators to some language, must buy shares in order to have their voices heard/regarded by the editors 1070328;1427276775;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's totally how that'll work. 1070329;1427276776;brendafdez; brendafdez better get out of the defensive shell of stupid and work your butt off, i think. << oops ;) 1070330;1427276787;Adlai;(or they earn their shares the usual way) 1070331;1427276825;cazalla; I could see placing spanish well before portugese because fuck brazil if they aren't waxing <<< so muff is ok ya know 1070332;1427276826;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I am totally fine with the En language space surrendering except as a pidgin used in trade. If you let a single slant language into the acceptable trading space though. I sense trouble. Don't know of, but anticipate 1070333;1427276828;cazalla;some even 1070334;1427276839;BingoBoingo;Muff is greap 1070335;1427276855;BingoBoingo;Muff gives my beard something to socialize with 1070336;1427276856;mircea_popescu;cazalla he just doesn't want hair in the asshole is all. 1070337;1427276877;cazalla;but they poop from there, so i don't care, not going near butthole either way 1070338;1427276894;mircea_popescu;some women wash. 1070339;1427276896;BingoBoingo;You affraid of the poop muff? 1070340;1427276932;mircea_popescu;fun fact : most large felines don't know how to shit as infants, so the mother licks their asshole to stimulate bowel movements. 1070341;1427276939;mircea_popescu;think your life sucks ? at least you're not mom jaguar. 1070342;1427276958;cazalla;i can just see you as the romanian vers of it's only smellz 1070343;1427276964;mircea_popescu;(this, incidentally, works in constipated human infants too.) 1070344;1427276972;BingoBoingo;Same kinda happens for primates, you ever seen reddit and momma chimp 1070345;1427277004;brendafdez;black kiss, just what the doctor ordered 1070346;1427277017;mircea_popescu;ordured, but anyway. 1070347;1427277099;BingoBoingo;I just think it is too early to surrender to the chicoms. Even though I could prolly bang out a qntra.chicom in 45 minutes if I wasn't so pickled atm. 1070348;1427277110;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070253 << /me thinks back, realises that... you know what ? i've never actually failed an exam in my life. 1070349;1427277110;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 09:13:35; brendafdez: what i know is that i failed every single exam in my life which had word algebra somewhere 1070350;1427277170;*;BingoBoingo still takes the LSAT on commision for select bidders 1070351;1427277254;*;BingoBoingo is sure most people's best chance at passing the bar is hiring me to ident as them through law school 1070352;1427277290;mircea_popescu;lol 1070353;1427277309;BingoBoingo;I've actually made this offer before. 1070354;1427277370;*;BingoBoingo has never scored lower than 176/180 on the LSAT. I am the full package law school Fast Forward button. 1070355;1427277401;mircea_popescu;so you could get me a law degree just in time for lawsky being extradited to serenissima jurisdiction so i can da myself personally ? 1070356;1427277430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8543 @ 0.00021886 = 1.8697 BTC [-] 1070357;1427277491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00021643 = 2.2509 BTC [-] 1070358;1427277517;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Pretty much, so long as you offer me an identify that does not have a history of long term use of lamotrinine of chloro-amphetamines 1070359;1427277539;mircea_popescu;you should prolly make that offer in chinese. 1070360;1427277597;BingoBoingo;I prolly should. Not enough people take it up in English. 1070361;1427277613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00021505 = 1.0968 BTC [-] 1070362;1427277614;cazalla;BingoBoingo, ya know, big business down under in writing papers for uni students, big drama other week regarding it http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mymaster-essay-cheating-scandal-more-than-70-university-students-face-suspension-20150318-1425oe.html 1070363;1427277618;assbot;MyMaster essay cheating scandal: More than 70 university students face suspension ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlyVr2 ) 1070364;1427277657;BingoBoingo;cazalla: You never write for students, you BE the students 1070365;1427277682;cazalla;sounds like a lot of effort 1070366;1427277692;cazalla;how well can a student pay you for pretending to be them? 1070367;1427277736;BingoBoingo;enough 1070368;1427277746;BingoBoingo;Do they, no 1070369;1427277757;cazalla;and good luck getting rolling down drunk and turning up in person, at least you can do online tests and write for them at home while drunk 1070370;1427277826;mircea_popescu;cazalla he probably only does it for the free rape 1070371;1427277839;mircea_popescu;"phteven with a ph did it!" 1070372;1427277846;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Have I ever told you about my GRE story? 1070373;1427277862;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i don't even know what GRE is so, no 1070374;1427277874;mircea_popescu;let some dude show up for you in exams today, be cited for 198 gang rapes next tuesday 1070375;1427277874;cazalla;but if it's you turning up blind drunk and acing a test, i'd believe it 1070376;1427277882;cazalla;lolol 1070377;1427277895;mircea_popescu;america! 1070378;1427277917;mircea_popescu;also, beneficial identity theft! 1070379;1427277929;BingoBoingo; but if it's you turning up blind drunk and acing a test, i'd believe it << Since 1998 when the injun store stopped carding me 1070380;1427277979;cazalla;BingoBoingo, ya know i use to get carded when i was 16, but i was smart enough to know the guy working at the bottle shop probably couldn't subtract my age from the current year, so he would glance at my provisional drivers licence and ring up my drinks no probs 1070381;1427278036;cazalla;my dob i means to say 1070382;1427278062;mircea_popescu;this "carding" thing... 1070383;1427278075;*;BingoBoingo has alway done the deception thing 1070384;1427278087;cazalla;means something else where you're from eh mircea_popescu 1070385;1427278097;*;mircea_popescu had a drink at his junior high prom. which was held in a bar. because romanians didn't actually give a shit. 1070386;1427278114;mircea_popescu;the other kids didn't, because kids. 1070387;1427278158;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu had a drink at his junior high prom. which was held in a bar. because romanians didn't actually give a shit. << Wait Wut, you only had one drink at prom? Junior year I was trying to keep pace with Anya. 1070388;1427278175;cazalla;BingoBoingo, ease up, he's a light drinker 1070389;1427278177;mircea_popescu;that's kinda the thing, if it's not a big deal it just... isn't a big deal. 1070390;1427278210;mircea_popescu;cazalla heh notrly. my high mark is putting away something over a liter of 50% moonshine and then walking out. 1070391;1427278224;mircea_popescu;i suspek that makes me a heavy drinker, at least at the time. 1070392;1427278226;BingoBoingo;Drink is totally not a big deal. In the same way standardized tests in the US are not a big deal. The cost to pass maximally is trivial. 1070393;1427278255;mircea_popescu;but in truth i dun really drink like i used to. 1070394;1427278267;cazalla;i suspek gypies sell non-alcoholic wine to young romanian men as american's sell oregano to the teens :P 1070395;1427278326;mircea_popescu;i never saw non-alcoholic wine in yurp. 1070396;1427278329;mircea_popescu;real thing too abundant. 1070397;1427278370;cazalla;yeah my opa use to make it, locked him in the cellar once, such a hiding for that one 1070398;1427278395;cazalla;the funny thing is, i could've left him in there but i was so frightened that i opened it so that he could beat me 1070399;1427278421;cazalla;prob had war flash backs or something, he went fkn bananas 1070400;1427278471;mircea_popescu;romania (at least the nw, where i'm from) is all about this particular plum distilate. 1070401;1427278488;mircea_popescu;most respectable older men run their own stills, and they usually leak and are in basements 1070402;1427278502;mircea_popescu;so when it's firing time... buncha very drunk dudes that swear they didn't drink a drop 1070403;1427278523;cazalla;banned here, unless for extracting essential oils 1070404;1427278528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00021789 = 6.4713 BTC [+] {3} 1070405;1427278543;mircea_popescu;romania (at least back in the day) was this place where nothing could be banned. 1070406;1427278563;cazalla;and whenever some dudes die from the methanol they produced, they make a big deal of it in the media to warn of the dangers of diy at home 1070407;1427278573;mircea_popescu;the very notion that the govt would tell you what to do or not do... lol. 1070408;1427278588;mircea_popescu;there's no methanol in this process. 1070409;1427278614;mircea_popescu;actually, distilling fermented fruit can not yield methanol. it's ancient and perfectly safe at that. 1070410;1427278617;BingoBoingo;Clean known moonsine stills here 1070411;1427278623;BingoBoingo;From corn though 1070412;1427278640;cazalla;mircea_popescu, must be making something else then, i have nfi, just hear in the media now and again 1070413;1427278641;mircea_popescu;i think you gotta boil wood before you get crap like that. 1070414;1427278666;cazalla;"Initial reports about the four men's methanol poisoning suggest it occurred when they tried to concoct grappa, a grape-based brandy." 1070415;1427278732;mircea_popescu;pff. 1070416;1427278733;cazalla;prob for the best i don't bottle my own, i'd be in perpetual state of drunkedness 1070417;1427278761;mircea_popescu;they probably tried to "concoct grappa" out of office chairs or something. 1070418;1427278786;mircea_popescu;seeing how one hundred thousand people made their own for decade upon decade without ill effect. 1070419;1427278789;cazalla;well, if one is going to eat plastic food, may as well drink plastic too 1070420;1427278845;mircea_popescu;anywya, if memory serves there's a good 10-20 degrees differential between ethanol and methanol boiling points. 1070421;1427278894;cazalla;anyway, zzz for me 1070422;1427278907;mircea_popescu;even if you start with a 50-50 mixture, keep the still open at ~75 degrees for half an hour, then you can just let it burn and collect the result. 1070423;1427278920;mircea_popescu;nn c man 1070424;1427279357;jurov;heh. my parents themselves started to give me wine.. at 15 or so :D 1070425;1427279375;mircea_popescu;sounds about right. 1070426;1427279419;jurov; actually, distilling fermented fruit can not yield methanol << wait what??? 1070427;1427279422;BingoBoingo;My parents unlocked the scotch at 12 1070428;1427279430;mircea_popescu;to which part ? 1070429;1427279448;BingoBoingo; actually, distilling fermented fruit can not yield methanol << wait what??? << It totally can 1070430;1427279458;jurov;i have held in my hand plum methanol, wtf if mircea up to 1070431;1427279465;jurov;*is 1070432;1427279484;BingoBoingo;jurov: He has an idealistic image of the old country 1070433;1427279499;mircea_popescu;no dude, it's just fucking rare. 1070434;1427279508;mircea_popescu;in the single digit ppm. 1070435;1427279587;BingoBoingo;I've drank 98+ proof corn whiskey aged right with minimal fusile alcohols. Everyone wants their tradition to be the saint 1070436;1427279657;jurov;http://homedistiller.org/intro/methanol/methanol apparently it depends 1070437;1427279659;assbot;Home Distillation of Alcohol (Homemade Alcohol to Drink) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EFwqRE ) 1070438;1427279675;jurov;"for example apple juice can have 0.2-0.3% methanol, or if derived from pulp by enzymatic degradation, the levels can be 2 to 3 times higher." 1070439;1427279685;mircea_popescu;jurov there's two things : one, what you use and how you ferment it. two, how you distil. 1070440;1427279705;mircea_popescu;but historically, methanol is "wood alcohol". ie, if you try to distil roadkill and old boots, you get a lot of it. 1070441;1427279712;jurov;yes but that's very different from "can not yield" 1070442;1427279715;mircea_popescu;otherwise, properly fermented plums specifically are so and so. 1070443;1427279730;mircea_popescu;well i was talking of the traditional process as used, not of whatever random strange one may try. 1070444;1427279748;mircea_popescu;you know these things get highly traditional / fixated. 1070445;1427279792;mircea_popescu;but in any case : methanol has significant lower boiling point. which, again, means that even if you start with an equal part mixture, if you distil correctly you take it all out. 1070446;1427279822;jurov;yes 1070447;1427279858;mircea_popescu;well so that. 1070448;1427280136;*;BingoBoingo is awfuly sure unregulated corn distillation products self has consumed in the past conatained far below te mandated fusile alcohols of the nao 1070449;1427280191;BingoBoingo;If only fissible alcohols were a thing 1070450;1427280358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00021505 = 3.258 BTC [-] 1070451;1427281578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20192 @ 0.00021756 = 4.393 BTC [+] {2} 1070452;1427283164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4711 @ 0.00022073 = 1.0399 BTC [+] 1070453;1427284140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5863 @ 0.00022484 = 1.3182 BTC [+] 1070454;1427284509;mircea_popescu;According to the 2002/2003 census, 143,167 farms had plum trees bearing fruit covering a total area of 554 km². According to the same census, about 75% of the crop ends up as È›uică. 1070455;1427284510;mircea_popescu;ha 1070456;1427284530;mircea_popescu;romania, 3rd plum producer, after china and serbia 1070457;1427284563;mircea_popescu;(mostly, damsons) 1070458;1427284689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00022792 = 5.8575 BTC [+] {2} 1070459;1427284917;chetty; According to the 2002/2003 census, 143,167 farms had plum trees bearing fruit covering a total area of 554 km². According to the same census, about 75% of the crop ends up as È›uică.//only 75%? 1070460;1427284948;mircea_popescu;i think some plums grow feet and run away 1070461;1427285457;danielpbarron;height=296995 vs height=216536 1070462;1427286528;Adlai;so 'eris' is... a database? an application server? does GenDoug support Hybrid-Flexâ„¢ blockchains? 1070463;1427286906;danielpbarron;Adlai, it's a block chain with mining restricted by a centrally controlled key 1070464;1427286937;danielpbarron;that is, blocks are only accepted as valid if they meet the difficulty requirement *and* are blessed with the magic key 1070465;1427286969;danielpbarron;and that's supposed to eliminate the need for there being a currency 1070466;1427287065;danielpbarron;to which I ask, why even use a block chain? it's like cloud storage with unneccessary drawbacks 1070467;1427287373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00022821 = 3.9709 BTC [+] 1070468;1427287669;Adlai;decentralization theater :P 1070469;1427288654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10104 @ 0.00022497 = 2.2731 BTC [-] {2} 1070470;1427289723;jurov;guess they hope to sell mining equipment with the key baked in 1070471;1427289734;jurov;and thus dip both ends 1070472;1427290179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00022214 = 4.0318 BTC [-] 1070473;1427290282;danielpbarron;!up kyuupichan 1070474;1427290325;kyuupichan;danielpbarron: What do your messages saying "Height H1 vs H2" mean exactly? 1070475;1427290360;danielpbarron;i'm running two pogos, one with a solid state drive, the other with a 5400 rpm drive 1070476;1427290439;danielpbarron;i knew solid state would be faster; just seeing how much faster, and if 5400 rpm drive is a reasonable option 1070477;1427290715;danielpbarron;22G vs 6.2G 1070478;1427290756;danielpbarron;out of about 40G 1070479;1427290781;danielpbarron;i think it would take about a year for a 5400 rpm drive pogo to sync with the network 1070480;1427292295;danielpbarron;;;later tell mod6 having some troubles here http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt 1070481;1427292296;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BLYVuR ) 1070482;1427292296;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1070483;1427292372;*;mod6 looks 1070484;1427292393;danielpbarron;i haven't caught up on the logs yet, maybe these issues were covered already 1070485;1427292462;mod6;So can you explain what you're builing, what version of auto.sh, what OS, did you change anything? what arch? 1070486;1427292470;mod6;*building 1070487;1427292508;mod6;Did you read this email? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000071.html << this /should/ work on an x86 arch 1070488;1427292509;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BLZ7do ) 1070489;1427292532;mod6;if you tried to build that version of auto.sh on an ARM arch, then i can see why you had issues. 1070490;1427292537;danielpbarron;yes that's what i used 1070491;1427292556;danielpbarron;i tried it first as is 1070492;1427292566;mod6;what os/arch? 1070493;1427292575;danielpbarron;gentoo x86 1070494;1427292584;mod6;hmm 1070495;1427292600;nubbins`;you installed libssl-dev? 1070496;1427292684;nubbins`;danielpbarron ^ 1070497;1427292761;danielpbarron;i don't think so 1070498;1427292778;nubbins`;well that's your problem 1070499;1427292783;nubbins`;emerge dat shit 1070500;1427292797;danielpbarron;emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "libssl-dev". 1070501;1427292805;danielpbarron;i didn't need it last time 1070502;1427292814;nubbins`;headers.h:20:28: fatal error: openssl/buffer.h: No such file or directory 1070503;1427292816;nubbins`;hm 1070504;1427292818;danielpbarron;my pogos are currently running a bitcoind that i compiled myself 1070505;1427292823;nubbins`;does emerge tab-complete? 1070506;1427292828;nubbins`;libssl 1070507;1427292841;danielpbarron;emerge: Maybe you meant any of these: virtual/libudev, dev-libs/libsolv, dev-libs/libsigsegv? 1070508;1427292850;nubbins`;neh 1070509;1427292862;nubbins`;is buffer.h anywhere on your system>? 1070510;1427292875;nubbins`;might be an include path issue 1070511;1427292901;danielpbarron;i thought this is supposed to download a specific version of ssl and use a local copy 1070512;1427292910;danielpbarron;why should i need to install things on my system? 1070513;1427292940;nubbins`;pastebin your ./auto.sh 1070514;1427292953;nubbins`;and your bitcoin/src/makefile.unix 1070515;1427292976;nubbins`;heck, skip pastebin and danielpbarron.com them 1070516;1427293056;nubbins`;openssl is the first dep that should get downloaded and compiled, so if it's halting there it's probably a path issue 1070517;1427293087;mod6;i've never used gentoo before, but if this still a problem/not-resolved by the end of the day, I'll try to setup a new droplet and test the auto.sh changes there. 1070518;1427293133;nubbins`;danielpbarron here's a snippet from the last chunk of text you shared 1070519;1427293134;nubbins`;-I/home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.5th/ourlibs/include -I/home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.5th/ourlibs/include -I/home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.5th/ourlibs/include 1070520;1427293142;nubbins`;that's trying to include the same dir three times 1070521;1427293157;nubbins`;which might indicate that it's failing to parse something after /include 1070522;1427293191;danielpbarron;that attempt was using the arm toolchain 1070523;1427293197;nubbins`;i had to modify makefile for osx because all the path stuff wasn't resolving, your gentoo might have similar prob 1070524;1427293224;nubbins`;actually all three of your attempts show the same thing 1070525;1427293236;nubbins`;(might be totally not the issue but worth examining) 1070526;1427293399;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1070527;1427293400;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.34, Best ask: 246.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 246.46, 24 hour volume: 71535.64113155, 24 hour low: 235.7, 24 hour high: 252.94, 24 hour vwap: None 1070528;1427293546;danielpbarron;refresh http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt 1070529;1427293547;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BLYVuR ) 1070530;1427293805;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061881 << my brother is ~6 ft tall, but usually slouches so he looks about 5'7 1070531;1427293805;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 04:52:20; mircea_popescu: but to belabour the point : one of the principal reasons "measuring iq" as it were height is so ridiculous, is because nobody has yet had an off day for height. 1070532;1427293857;nubbins`;danielpbarron sweet, how about makefile.unix from 5th 1070533;1427293882;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-03-2015#1061802 << I would say most of food is pretty well described by chemistry already 1070534;1427293882;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 04:30:25; mircea_popescu: at any rate : expecting human behaviour to be addressed by genetics is a little like expecting food to be discussed by chemistry. 1070535;1427293946;PeterL;and yes, there are chemists who specialize in food chemistry 1070536;1427293965;nubbins`;there were behaviourists who specialized in genetics 8) 1070537;1427294022;PeterL;but are there geneticists that specialize in behaviour? 1070538;1427294078;nubbins`;prolly not since ww2 1070539;1427294391;Adlai;there's a gene for smoking all the way down to the filter 1070540;1427294409;Adlai;which is derpspeak for statistical correlation between certain genotypes, and that phenotype 1070541;1427294575;nubbins`;8) 1070542;1427295102;danielpbarron;nubbins`, http://danielpbarron.com/makefile.unix.txt 1070543;1427295103;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BM1Mnq ) 1070544;1427295120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14275 @ 0.00022539 = 3.2174 BTC [+] {2} 1070545;1427295120;mircea_popescu; to which I ask, why even use a block chain? it's like cloud storage with unneccessary drawbacks << this pretty much 1070546;1427295186;mircea_popescu; guess they hope to sell mining equipment with the key baked in << wouldn't this necessarily leak it ? 1070547;1427295226;jurov;no rake is forever 1070548;1427295303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00022567 = 6.1721 BTC [+] 1070549;1427295304;nubbins`;danielpbarron: add these two lines to your auto.sh, right below "export LDFLAGS=" at the bottom 1070550;1427295308;nubbins`;echo $OURLIBS 1070551;1427295310;mircea_popescu; I would say most of food is pretty well described by chemistry already << you have no idea. 1070552;1427295315;nubbins`;echo $OPENSSL_LIB_PATH 1070553;1427295320;nubbins`;then run ./auto.sh again 1070554;1427295352;PeterL;you think there is some mysterious undescribed part of food? 1070555;1427295356;nubbins`;actually maybe preface with: echo "looky loo" 1070556;1427295361;nubbins`;or other marker 1070557;1427295361;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only thing chemistry describes about food is that it has no hope in hell of describing it, and here's some alternatives that 90% of people can't distinguish 1070558;1427295404;*;nubbins` points out that "artificial flavor" and "natural flavor" can be chemically the same molecule, but must be labelled according to origin 1070559;1427295413;mircea_popescu;PeterL didn't we have the discussion with the complexity of aminoacids ? 1070560;1427295437;mircea_popescu;nubbins` this "chemically the same molecule" ... i can distinguish peppers and capsein. 1070561;1427295443;mircea_popescu;now go make me a pickled cucumber. 1070562;1427295452;nubbins`;i can distinguish marijuana and pure thc 8) 1070563;1427295454;PeterL;what about them? chemists can say what they are, but might not be able to recreate them in the lab 1070564;1427295465;mircea_popescu;PeterL they can't usefully say what they are, even. 1070565;1427295483;mircea_popescu;human taste is sensitive to ppb in some lines. smell easily to ppm. 1070566;1427295486;nubbins`;protip: the smell of nice marijuana is precisely the smell of thc 1070567;1427295516;mircea_popescu;nubbins` sure, soime cases are more advantageous than others. now go distinguish a glass of wine from another glass of wine, chemically. 1070568;1427295536;mircea_popescu;your competent oenologist can usually spot the year and most of the time the vineyard. not the region mind. the vineyard. 1070569;1427295538;nubbins`;too many compounds bru! 1070570;1427295541;mircea_popescu;oic. 1070571;1427295545;mircea_popescu;i thought it was described. 1070572;1427295547;PeterL;sure, you can identify the differing concentrations of various chemicals 1070573;1427295550;nubbins`;oh, no doubt 1070574;1427295561;nubbins`;everyone's seen a sommelier identify the vineyard by taste 1070575;1427295567;mircea_popescu;PeterL no, you can't actually, because a glass is not enough sample. 1070576;1427295568;nubbins`;only way to earn your level 3 1070577;1427295589;nubbins`;now take a glass of house red and a glass of $5000/bottle red and ask the guy to do a blind taste test. 1070578;1427295624;*;nubbins` has admittedly never drunk wine costlier than $500/bottle but can verify that all the superfluous descriptors on the label are actually present 1070579;1427295632;jurov;http://m.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/assault-charge-woman-squirts-breast-milk-at-cop-refused-bail/story-fnhocxo3-1227278350251 1070580;1427295634;assbot;| Perth Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1BM2j98 ) 1070581;1427295634;nubbins`;"it DOES taste like oiled leather and rustic tobacco" 1070582;1427295636;mircea_popescu;if you had a cistern to run through, and a few years and an infinity of budgets, you maybe could get something sorta usable some of the time. which is about wheree it is. 1070583;1427295640;jurov;jus' squirt it 1070584;1427295645;mircea_popescu;jurov you know that sounds so very gypsy... 1070585;1427295669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00022567 = 3.8364 BTC [+] 1070586;1427295752;mircea_popescu;at any rate : most actual foodstuffs, such as pickles, cheeses, cured and aged meats etc aren't even flora-enumerated, in the sense that we don't even really know what all grows on them 1070587;1427295771;mircea_popescu;it's "broadly this" and "mostly that" all the way. 1070588;1427295810;PeterL;aren't pickles just cucumbers soaked in vinegar? 1070589;1427295814;mircea_popescu;no, they are not. 1070590;1427295825;mircea_popescu;pickes are cucumbers fermented in a saline solution in the dark and cool. 1070591;1427295837;mircea_popescu;the vinegar thing is an industrial product and at best cattle feed. 1070592;1427295927;nubbins`;brining and fermenting is an art 1070593;1427295932;*;nubbins` has been dabbling 1070594;1427295940;mircea_popescu;not that i'm contesting the importance and corectness of whatever, maillard, what have you. but nobody who looked at the matter seriously is claiming the problem to be even described 1070595;1427295942;mircea_popescu;let alone solved. 1070596;1427295949;nubbins`;this kimchi i'm working through could strip paint 1070597;1427295974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8725 @ 0.00022038 = 1.9228 BTC [-] {2} 1070598;1427295978;nubbins`;but yeah, mp has it. you can take a stab at the /types/ of organisms or compounds therein 1070599;1427295983;nubbins`;but that's about as close as it gets 1070600;1427295991;nubbins`;like, i know my kimchi has lactobacillus strains 1070601;1427295994;nubbins`;which ones? shrug 1070602;1427296006;mircea_popescu;moreover, the variety of bacteria is actually staggering. 1070603;1427296007;nubbins`;ostensibly different ones than are in my sourdough. 1070604;1427296008;PeterL;but chemists have a general knowledge of what goes into good food, unlike geneticists who have very little idea what goes into intelligence 1070605;1427296024;mircea_popescu;PeterL but geneticists have am uch better idea of what goes into phenotypes. 1070606;1427296028;mircea_popescu;uhhh... guanine 1070607;1427296034;mircea_popescu;and... ahem.... ti something 1070608;1427296038;mircea_popescu;there, they're ahead already. 1070609;1427296045;nubbins`;heh 1070610;1427296045;mircea_popescu;guanine and ti something, almost 1/3 of the job 1070611;1427296084;nubbins`;incidentally, coffee is up there with wine as far as variety of chemical compunds goes 1070612;1427296099;nubbins`;coffee plantation was the first time i ever saw (and smelled) a smell sample kit 1070613;1427296103;mircea_popescu;so it is. and the yak milk thing the mongols drink 1070614;1427296105;mircea_popescu;and on it goes. 1070615;1427296109;nubbins`;10/10 would like to own one 1070616;1427296138;*;nubbins` prefers wet-processed coffees, which means -- you guessed it -- fermentation 1070617;1427296157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00021505 = 2.2688 BTC [-] 1070618;1427296180;nubbins`;sometimes i feel like i've changed my gut flora enough that it's modified my brain chemistry to strongly desire stinky, fermented things 1070619;1427296218;nubbins`;other side of the coin is that i've stopped indulging in mcdonald's and plastic food for long enough that the natural desire to eat /living food/ has come back 1070620;1427296223;nubbins`;take yr pick 1070621;1427296395;danielpbarron;nubbins`, refresh http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt 1070622;1427296395;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BLYVuR ) 1070623;1427296522;danielpbarron;i thought it might have been because i was still using my own script to patch 0.5.3, but the pre-patched 0.5.3.1 i tried also failed (that was the omitted 6th attempt 1070624;1427296556;*;jurov imagined a dystopic flick featuring people with GMO gut flora living off all kinds of waste 1070625;1427296636;jurov;i suspect such uncanny adaptations will be necessary for space, too 1070626;1427296642;PeterL;I have entertained the idea of trying to implant gut flora from herbivores to allow us to live off grass, could be fun, no? 1070627;1427296697;jurov;what fun? chewing all day? 1070628;1427296717;PeterL;I've also wondered what would happen if we implanted chloroplasts in our skin, just live off sunlight? 1070629;1427296720;nubbins`;danielpbarron so $OURLIBS resolves to /home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.7th/ourlibs 1070630;1427296732;nubbins`;$OPENSSL_LIB_PATH resolves to /home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.7th/ourlibs/lib 1070631;1427296743;nubbins`;^ not sure that's drilled down deep enough 1070632;1427296770;nubbins`;no, wait, that's fine 1070633;1427296854;jurov;hardly chloroplasts. more likely figure out symbiosis with some sort of algae.. and i suspect it would not cover even significant part of metabolism 1070634;1427296908;jurov;mostly worthwhile to synthesize vitamins and the like 1070635;1427296916;nubbins`;danielpbarron your 7th halts at a different step, hey? 1070636;1427296927;nubbins`;db_cxx.h vs buffer.h 1070637;1427297029;mircea_popescu;jurov not a bad premise. 1070638;1427297049;mircea_popescu;eh, you'd need to implant four stomachs too, peterl. 1070639;1427297088;mircea_popescu; I've also wondered what would happen if we implanted chloroplasts in our skin, just live off sunlight? << toxic epidermal necrolysis much more likely./ 1070640;1427297300;nubbins`;hmm 1070641;1427297302;nubbins`;danielpbarron 1070642;1427297306;nubbins`;http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt 1070643;1427297307;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYw0j ) 1070644;1427297322;nubbins`;bottom chunk: see 2nd line in paste 1070645;1427297334;nubbins`;...failed updating 163 targets... 1070646;1427297339;nubbins`;i think your problem might start a bit earlier? 1070647;1427297348;chetty; I've also wondered what would happen if we implanted chloroplasts in our skin, just live off sunlight? << toxic epidermal necrolysis much more likely./// and poor vampires 1070648;1427297461;nubbins`;danielpbarron compare to first paste, failed updating 1 target 1070649;1427297989;mod6;danielpbarron: headers.h:26:20: fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file or directory << did bdb get built ok? 1070650;1427298104;mod6;you may want to do like one at a time: Comment out 77-95 (for BDB) & 97-119 (for Boost) and just see if you get a clean build from OpenSSL. Then if so, comment out 58-75 (openssl) and uncomment 77-95 for BDB and just run that... etc etc. 1070651;1427298121;mod6;make sense? 1070652;1427298123;jurov;fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file << that's known issue on gentoo, you have to add -I 1070653;1427298134;mod6;oh 1070654;1427298136;danielpbarron;yeah, i think i remember doing that the last time i went through all this 1070655;1427298150;danielpbarron;err.. what mod6 said, not what jurov said 1070656;1427298156;mircea_popescu;vegetampires 1070657;1427298170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00021536 = 5.3625 BTC [+] 1070658;1427298219;asciilifeform;chloroplasts << surface/volume ratio. fails, even if worked. 1070659;1427298228;mircea_popescu;gmornin alf 1070660;1427298231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9875 @ 0.00021873 = 2.16 BTC [+] {2} 1070661;1427298259;*;asciilifeform caught up with logs, off to meatspace for a spell 1070662;1427298302;mircea_popescu;i'm so fucking excited about this eulora release... 1070663;1427298634;jurov;okay, but be sure to implement faster deposits :> 1070664;1427298717;nubbins`;mircea_popescu hey who knows, maybe there'll be an osx build some time this summer 1070665;1427298734;mircea_popescu;nubbins` cool, that way you can play too :D 1070666;1427298751;nubbins`;instead of just mousing around the login screen with no kbd input :D 1070667;1427298766;mircea_popescu;:D 1070668;1427298846;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umeS2PWcRU0 << this guy. 1070669;1427298848;assbot;Manole Stroici - Și pe tine or să te doară... - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CP3nOP ) 1070670;1427298879;mircea_popescu;moldavian count. famous pop singer of the 20s. after which, took up clay pigeon shooting, and became world champion 4ever. 1070671;1427298997;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069675 << ---[ end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) 1070672;1427298997;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 04:13:16; asciilifeform: (it croaks, having no meaningful rootfs, but that's for tomorrow) 1070673;1427299039;danielpbarron;on a related note, i'd like more specific info on how to make my own u-boot 1070674;1427299057;danielpbarron;i'm not sure what asciilifeform recommends for this 1070675;1427299104;danielpbarron;my adulterated pogo behaves strangly, sometimes it uses stock u-boot and sometimes it uses some thing i flashed to it, and i'm not sure why it changes 1070676;1427299129;nubbins`;let me find you a link 1070677;1427299144;nubbins`;http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html 1070678;1427299146;assbot;Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZyYqB ) 1070679;1427299172;nubbins`;that covers flashing nand with u-boot 1070680;1427299178;nubbins`;not quite roll-your-own, but... 1070681;1427299179;danielpbarron;yeah no, i mean how to make my own u-boot 1070682;1427299187;danielpbarron;that's the one i'm probably using already 1070683;1427299271;nubbins`;http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,12381 1070684;1427299273;assbot;2014.07 U-Boot for FDT and Non-FDT Kernel - GoFlexNet, GoFlexHome, PogoE02, Dockstar, iConnect, NetgearStora, PogoV4/Mobile, Sheevaplug, NSA325, NSA320 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CP4myD ) 1070685;1427299275;nubbins`;see "references" section 1070686;1427299285;danielpbarron;...failed updating 1 target... << this happens when i use the prepatched 0.5.3.1, the looky loo outputs correct paths 1070687;1427299292;nubbins`;in http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,14697 1070688;1427299294;assbot;Kirkwood U-boot - Getting all supported Kirkwoods on-board ... ( http://bit.ly/1CP4nT7 ) 1070689;1427299329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00022567 = 1.354 BTC [+] 1070690;1427299329;nubbins`;danielpbarron at the risk of being silly, does db_cxx.h exist in /home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.7th/ourlibs/include 1070691;1427299419;danielpbarron;no 1070692;1427299455;nubbins`;okay, so that's why that step can't find it :D 1070693;1427299468;danielpbarron;i see boost and openssl 1070694;1427299474;nubbins`;working backwards, next step is to modify auto.sh 1070695;1427299476;danielpbarron;i guess that means db isn't finishing 1070696;1427299519;nubbins`;comment out everything in auto.sh but the chunk where it builds bdb 1070697;1427299526;nubbins`;then run it, see what errors it throws 1070698;1427299536;danielpbarron;oh weird, it does exist in there when i try with the prepatched 0.5.3.1 1070699;1427299612;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt << refresh 1070700;1427299613;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CP5hit ) 1070701;1427299637;danielpbarron;this is output when i use the 0.5.3.1 release and the patched for 32 auto.sh 1070702;1427299719;nubbins`;still failed 1 target above 1070703;1427299721;nubbins`;try this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ph1KJm0W 1070704;1427299722;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CP5uSK ) 1070705;1427299726;danielpbarron;ok wow 1070706;1427299728;nubbins`;save that as autobdb.sh 1070707;1427299735;nubbins`;chmod 0755 autobdb.sh 1070708;1427299738;nubbins`;./autobdb.sh 1070709;1427299740;danielpbarron;i think my laptop has a 64 bit cpu 1070710;1427299747;nubbins`;how much ram? 1070711;1427299815;danielpbarron;3 gigs + 2 gigs swap 1070712;1427299825;nubbins`;haha actually sorry, the pastebin i linked above has 1 error 1070713;1427299835;nubbins`;s/osx/unix/ in line 6 1070714;1427299841;danielpbarron;so i'm the dummy that didn't realize he had a 64 bit cpu and put 32 bit OS on it 1070715;1427299841;nubbins`;try that and paste the result 1070716;1427299871;nubbins`;fwiw if you've got 3gb ram i guess it doesn't really matter 1070717;1427300003;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron don't worry, you also put 64 bit on the 32 bit arm. 1070718;1427300028;nubbins`;heh 1070719;1427300036;mircea_popescu;(also, 32 bit os should work on 64 bit hardware, compatibility mode) 1070720;1427300051;nubbins`;i have no arms, and i must flail 1070721;1427300057;mircea_popescu;!b 5 1070722;1427300058;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZQY1ZC.txt ) 1070723;1427300076;mircea_popescu;!b 8 1070724;1427300076;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ACFJRA.txt ) 1070725;1427300077;mircea_popescu;whatevs. 1070726;1427300083;danielpbarron;dpb@iscah ~/bitcoin/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 $ ./autobdb.sh 1070727;1427300084;danielpbarron;Found 'db-4.8.30', skipping... 1070728;1427300106;nubbins`;o.O 1070729;1427300139;ben_vulpes;you'll see that if you run ./auto.sh more than once, non? 1070730;1427300144;nubbins`;comment out if/else/fi 1070731;1427300145;danielpbarron;this is a different one than the one that didn't have the db_cxx.h 1070732;1427300164;danielpbarron;oh, should i run it from scratch? 1070733;1427300176;danielpbarron;(which is what i have been doing up until this point) 1070734;1427300180;nubbins`;naw 1070735;1427300196;nubbins`;it does make clean 1070736;1427300223;nubbins`;<+danielpbarron> this is a different one than the one that didn't have the db_cxx.h <<< ah 1070737;1427300237;nubbins`;maybe you should start from scratch just so we can stay focused 1070738;1427300292;nubbins`;it'll be a bit of a pain, but if you can comment out your auto.sh so that it only builds one component 1070739;1427300297;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i've done the same thing tho. i only had access to 32bit windows for my gaming rig, and i have to wipe the entire thing to install a 64bit version. 1070740;1427300299;nubbins`;then comment out that one, uncomment the next, etc 1070741;1427300305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11552 @ 0.00022637 = 2.615 BTC [+] {2} 1070742;1427300311;nubbins`;it'll be easier to spot which builds fail 1070743;1427300336;danielpbarron;it seems to find all three of openss, boosts, and db 1070744;1427300345;danielpbarron;or um, yeah lemme do from scratch 1070745;1427300353;nubbins`;yeah, find is one thing, build properly is another 1070746;1427300362;thestringpuller;so we are building axes and swords today? :D 1070747;1427300391;ben_vulpes;maces and bludgeons 1070748;1427300436;nubbins`;just wetting the stones 1070749;1427300462;ben_vulpes;heh yeah 1070750;1427300479;ben_vulpes;swinging sticks at each other in the muddy courtyard 1070751;1427300531;nubbins`;hey, the best swordsmaster who ever lived was bested by a farmer with a quarterstaff 1070752;1427300557;nubbins`;^ rabbit hole if anyone's into reading dead trees 1070753;1427300566;mircea_popescu;ca multi lorzi de vita veche din indepartatul nord... 1070754;1427300574;mircea_popescu;lordul john e-ntr-o ureche... 1070755;1427300667;nubbins`;there's no beef in the north 1070756;1427300678;nubbins`;just polar bear 1070757;1427300681;mircea_popescu;vit,a aka lineage, kin 1070758;1427300726;danielpbarron;on the openssl part, it ends with this: Makefile:640: recipe for target 'install_docs' failed 1070759;1427300770;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge0WaPvECPw << there, sung. 1070760;1427300771;assbot;Pasarea Colibri - Lordul John - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqRAAT ) 1070761;1427300772;nubbins`;while docs generally aren't crucial, i wonder if that stops some later process from happening 1070762;1427300815;danielpbarron;oh also, should i be using the patched for 32 auto.sh if my cpu is 64 but my OS is 32 ? 1070763;1427300832;nubbins`;match the os 1070764;1427300847;mircea_popescu;actually... maybe try 16 bit something ? 1070765;1427300851;mircea_popescu;protected mode ? 1070766;1427300852;nubbins`;if you try running a 64bit program on a 32bit os, you're gonna be sad 1070767;1427300860;mircea_popescu;they don't run 1070768;1427300864;nubbins`;^ :D 1070769;1427300886;mircea_popescu;inb4 danielpbarron accidentally builds ai 1070770;1427300888;danielpbarron;in my "ourlibs" directory, it looks like there are only doc files 1070771;1427300893;nubbins`;"y u no valid memory address" 1070772;1427300894;danielpbarron;so i think it isn't finishing 1070773;1427300916;nubbins`;ourlibs is where things get put as they're compiled 1070774;1427300972;nubbins`;if you're only doing the first step, ourlibs won't be fully populated 1070775;1427301014;nubbins`;does ourlibs/include exist? 1070776;1427301050;danielpbarron;no 1070777;1427301075;danielpbarron;only ourlibs/ssl/man 1070778;1427301165;danielpbarron;looks like db built fine 1070779;1427301176;nubbins`;here's the Makefile from openssl 1070780;1427301178;nubbins`;install: all install_docs install_sw 1070781;1427301224;nubbins`;you could remove install_docs from that line if you wanted 1070782;1427301262;nubbins`;might be easier than figuring out why the docs won't install 1070783;1427301458;nubbins`;failure of install_docs might preclude attempt at install_sw 1070784;1427301467;nubbins`;(who in the fuck installs the docs /first/?) 1070785;1427301488;nubbins`;bbl 1070786;1427302589;mircea_popescu;nubbins` installs the dix first! 1070787;1427302696;mircea_popescu;fun fact : zog Ist was king of... 1070788;1427302698;mircea_popescu;albania. 1070789;1427303592;punkman; http://blog.samaltman.com/bubble-talk "This bet is open to the first VC who would like to take it . The loser donates $100,000 to a charity of the winner’s choice." meh 1070790;1427303593;assbot;Bubble talk - Sam Altman ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnuE6y ) 1070791;1427303904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.0002306 = 4.7619 BTC [+] {3} 1070792;1427304900;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1070793;1427304946;ascii_field;danielpbarron: i'd like more specific info on how to make my own u-boot << i have a u-boot built from official source. the buildroot thing -also- builds a u-boot, as a matter of course, but i have not yet tested that one 1070794;1427305073;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: no, nodes don't get updated << so, let's go into this in detail. they ship with all the seed ips they will ever have? for the record i proclaim this to be retarded. -keys- are the constants of our world, not ip addrs 1070795;1427305149;ascii_field;i utterly understand the desire to 'tivoize' these things so they don't get turned into phoundation nodes by lamers. but this can be done without idiot waste. 1070796;1427305176;ascii_field;once the twentybux boxes run out (and i expect that it will happen sooner rather than later) prepare to pay six times more for each node. 1070797;1427305188;ascii_field;right now some bezzlatronic idiot is paying the difference 1070798;1427305214;ascii_field;(the vendor is selling a loss-leader, hoping to attract chumps to its 5/mo. 'cloud' crapolade) 1070799;1427305263;nubbins`;i think a lot of it is genuinely overstock too 1070800;1427305266;ascii_field;likewise physical delivery is expensive. (witness kakobrekla's attempt to buy so much as one pogo and still have it 'feel disposable') 1070801;1427305269;ascii_field;nubbins`: this also. 1070802;1427305282;nubbins`;physical delivery, for me, bottoms out at ~$10usd 1070803;1427305287;nubbins`;whether i buy 3 or 50 1070804;1427305302;ascii_field;so, what, we're expecting operators to throw out perfectly good boxes to add a fucking seed node!?! 1070805;1427305336;ascii_field;turning an ip address into a critical constant in a field-deployed machine paints a big fat target on that ip for usg 1070806;1427305354;ascii_field;one of the few things usg is reliably good at is making a particular ip unusable 1070807;1427305362;ascii_field;or emplacing own turd there 1070808;1427305367;nubbins`;my ip address will be fine to use as a seed node, but it /may occasionally change/ 1070809;1427305375;ascii_field;nubbins`: there you go 1070810;1427305380;ascii_field;hardcoded seeds - idiocy 1070811;1427305381;nubbins`;and is thus useless for inclusion in a baked-in 1070812;1427305384;ascii_field;there is no other side to this 1070813;1427305406;nubbins`;now, i can gpg-sign my ip address and publish it somewhere when it changes 1070814;1427305415;nubbins`;in fact, i can almost certainly have this process be automatic 1070815;1427305421;ascii_field;nubbins`: this means gpg on the nodes 1070816;1427305424;ascii_field;and updatatron 1070817;1427305438;ascii_field;and mircea_popescu will say 'bah, unreliable, you're driving up engineering cost 1000 times' 1070818;1427305448;nubbins`;gpg and curl, at the very least 1070819;1427305455;ascii_field;i suggested this, yes 1070820;1427305460;ascii_field;well, not curl 1070821;1427305460;nubbins`;where's the seed list now, in a fucking .c file or something? 1070822;1427305465;nubbins`;w/e it may be 1070823;1427305467;ascii_field;can't rely on anything on the net staying put 1070824;1427305477;ascii_field;SIGNED update would have to be on attached storage 1070825;1427305486;ascii_field;plug in a card, if passes sig - used 1070826;1427305509;nubbins`;updated seed list on sd card? 1070827;1427305519;mthreat;back in sudamerica 1070828;1427305524;nubbins`;the list'll be stale by the time someone gets a box 1070829;1427305526;mthreat;after the land of chipotle 1070830;1427305527;ascii_field;nubbins`: updated whatever 1070831;1427305549;ascii_field;seeds, bitcoind image, hell, whole rom 1070832;1427305552;ascii_field;but -signed- 1070833;1427305554;nubbins`;nod 1070834;1427305575;ascii_field;and button must be held. 1070835;1427305581;ascii_field;no automagic-anything. 1070836;1427305586;nubbins`;there's gotta be a sane way to do this over the wire 1070837;1427305587;ascii_field;user must consciously insist on update 1070838;1427305606;ascii_field;nubbins`: silent wire updates are ipso facto insane 1070839;1427305609;nubbins`;altho otw explicitly means you're not examining anything 1070840;1427305613;nubbins`;"aha" 8) 1070841;1427305631;ascii_field;user is free to examine the (signed) update on his own time 1070842;1427305634;ascii_field;before firing it 1070843;1427305638;ascii_field;(or not) 1070844;1427305657;nubbins`;so this is all agreed, anything that can be modified should be signed 1070845;1427305657;ascii_field;not proposing anything idiotic, e.g., it being ciphered in some way 1070846;1427305661;nubbins`;this brings us back to the seeds 1070847;1427305677;ascii_field;nubbins`: i am trying to knock some sense into the folks taking the 'no updates, throw'em out every time' folks 1070848;1427305685;ascii_field;(who don't appear to be logged in at present, but, still) 1070849;1427305757;nubbins`;hm 1070850;1427305796;ascii_field;e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069917 1070851;1427305796;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 05:08:35; mircea_popescu: serviceable 19 dollar units ? gtfo. 1070852;1427305816;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069927 1070853;1427305816;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 05:10:32; mircea_popescu: forget it, you want to upgrade get a new unit. 1070854;1427305847;nubbins`;this is all fine and well 1070855;1427305855;nubbins`;until you hardcode a thousand seed ips 1070856;1427305862;nubbins`;and a week later they're all dead in the water 1070857;1427305865;ascii_field;aha. 1070858;1427305874;ascii_field;this is where the enemy excels 1070859;1427305875;nubbins`;and there's you with half a blockchain 1070860;1427305905;ascii_field;except they won't be dead, they'll be hosting phoundation syblics 1070861;1427305908;ascii_field;*sybils 1070862;1427305941;nubbins`;ha, there you go 1070863;1427305964;ascii_field;and i disagree with mircea_popescu's hypothesis that 'enemy is stupid'. he is not stupid. he is being slow, so as to show off his sprezzatura. 1070864;1427305976;nubbins`;this is getting dangerously closer to bringing the whole seed thing back to first principles, you know 1070865;1427305998;ascii_field;give or take a few months, enemy starts to bark up the vaguely-correct tree. 1070866;1427306043;nubbins`;hm 1070867;1427306053;ascii_field;nubbins`: ultimately the first principle is that pubkeys are the only valid locators for anything purporting to be human 1070868;1427306075;ben_vulpes;i'm reading, asciilifeform 1070869;1427306104;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: aha, there you are. 1070870;1427306110;ben_vulpes;you'll note, not arguing. 1070871;1427306117;ascii_field;good, ben_vulpes is thinking 1070872;1427306135;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: don't hurry, think. 1070873;1427306135;ben_vulpes;it seems you object to 2 things 1070874;1427306149;ben_vulpes;i may be wrong and stupid, but i'm willing to be corrected and learn 1070875;1427306156;ben_vulpes;1) hardcoding of seeds by enemy 1070876;1427306164;ben_vulpes;2) using enemy's keys 1070877;1427306172;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: wai wat?!! 1070878;1427306180;ascii_field;i was objecting to hardcoding of seeds -by us- 1070879;1427306183;ben_vulpes;aha 1070880;1427306204;nubbins`;what sort of handshake happens when you find a live ip in the seed list 1070881;1427306216;ascii_field;warning that if we bake machines with unchangeable ip constants, this paints a fat blinking target on them 1070882;1427306219;ascii_field;for usg 1070883;1427306251;ascii_field;the only valid constant is keys. 1070884;1427306269;nubbins`;you can't locate someone with a key 1070885;1427306276;ben_vulpes;so if i might be forgiven for conflating things, should not any subset of the wot graph be able to use their own keys? 1070886;1427306288;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: use their own keys for what ? 1070887;1427306300;ben_vulpes;signing updates to seed list. 1070888;1427306330;ascii_field;this is where you gotta make the call re: how much centralization you want. 1070889;1427306353;ben_vulpes;if we're to entertain updating, operators *must* be able to update without foundation keys. 1070890;1427306353;ascii_field;and where mircea_popescu wakes up and says 'now the machine is 1000x more complex, needs to know what wot is' 1070891;1427306374;ben_vulpes;alternatively, with arbitrary keys. 1070892;1427306382;ascii_field;meaning no key at all ? 1070893;1427306399;nubbins`;suppose you get a box and then start suspecting we've been turned. 1070894;1427306399;ben_vulpes;perhaps must be supplied with keys on initial flash 1070895;1427306399;ascii_field;to tivo or not to tivo, that is the question 1070896;1427306417;nubbins`;now you're stuck with a box with OUR keys being the arbiter 1070897;1427306421;ascii_field;why would someone buy a box from therealbitcoin when he suspects we've been turned ? 1070898;1427306429;nubbins`;s/when/before/ 1070899;1427306441;ascii_field;i'm fine with him having to buy a new box -then- 1070900;1427306442;ben_vulpes;i thought boxes were user-flashed! 1070901;1427306446;nubbins`;aha! 1070902;1427306447;nubbins`;:D 1070903;1427306458;nubbins`;let him buy a banana cream pi or w/e 1070904;1427306472;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: user-flashed possibly, from vendor state, but not into a configuration that is reflashable in the same idiot (remote exploit) way 1070905;1427306582;nubbins`;fuck it, get it to scan a random /16 for .foundation nodes on first boot 1070906;1427306591;nubbins`;sure, it'll take a couple days humming before it starts getting blocks 1070907;1427306594;nubbins`;BUT W/E 1070908;1427306602;nubbins`;;p 1070909;1427306616;ben_vulpes;lol y not 1070910;1427306641;ascii_field;scan a random /16 for .foundation nodes << wai wat 1070911;1427306651;ascii_field;how do you propose to distinguish friend/foe ? 1070912;1427306665;ben_vulpes;there is no friend/foe 1070913;1427306667;ascii_field;we have no mechanism for this 1070914;1427306670;ben_vulpes;there are just nodes on the network 1070915;1427306675;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: he use the phrase '.foundation nodes' 1070916;1427306686;ascii_field;implies that these can be told apart from others 1070917;1427306690;ascii_field;by machine 1070918;1427306698;ben_vulpes;and it'll remain that way until the block download thing is fixed to a) track node quality and b) spot-check blocks provided by high quality peers 1070919;1427306710;nubbins`;you can't have visible to users but invisible to usg 1070920;1427306713;nubbins`;just can't 1070921;1427306714;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1070922;1427306715;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1070923;1427306744;nubbins`;anyway, consider the statement suitably modified 1070924;1427306761;ascii_field;ultimately the only proper box is one where the only magical constant is an rsa key, and same key is also prominently burned into the chassis 1070925;1427306773;nubbins`;i'm sure we all have at least a reasonably narrow range of IPs that'll be assigned to our nodes, even if they're dynamic 1070926;1427306780;ascii_field;nubbins`: i don't 1070927;1427306791;nubbins`;o! 1070928;1427306798;ascii_field;this is a very bad assumption 1070929;1427306832;ascii_field;my isp is a mega-conglomerate which owns and uses multiple slash-eights 1070930;1427306846;ben_vulpes;and shouldn't this discussion be looking at ipv6 as well? 1070931;1427306861;nubbins`;lel, total country bumpkins here re: ip blocks obv 8) 1070932;1427306861;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: i recommend strongly against ipv6 in this machine 1070933;1427306874;ascii_field;multiple known bugs revolving around mostly untested ipv6 crud 1070934;1427306885;*;ben_vulpes is a total country bumpkin re: anything combudder 1070935;1427306886;ascii_field;i recall at least one that concerns marvell in particular 1070936;1427306907;ascii_field;i don't even have ipv6 enabled on my lan, much less outgoing. 1070937;1427306933;ascii_field;even if nothing else, complicates reading packet dumps 1070938;1427306939;ascii_field;which any reasonable person does regularly 1070939;1427306943;ascii_field;to see what lives in his home 1070940;1427306964;ascii_field;at the risk of pissing off many, i will still say, screw ipv6 1070941;1427307045;nubbins`;hm 1070942;1427307051;nubbins`;just thinking out loud here 1070943;1427307057;ascii_field;i ban ipv6 in my home. 1070944;1427307155;nubbins`;hardcode DNS servers and fill the seed list w/ hostnames instead of ips 1070945;1427307164;ascii_field;100% usg 1070946;1427307172;ascii_field;usg has real time iron control over all of dns. 1070947;1427307176;ascii_field;to a first approximation. 1070948;1427307191;ascii_field;this is right back to phoundation's idiocies. 1070949;1427307194;nubbins`;well i'm not running a namecoin node 1070950;1427307204;ascii_field;nubbins`: don't need to (and same problems apply to it) 1070951;1427307267;ascii_field;the only way to cut usg-controlled apparatus entirely out of the loop is to have the node get all volatiles (e.g., ip addrs) from files, on inserable media, -signed- by burned-in and prominently-advertised key. 1070952;1427307300;nubbins`;how many ips (or live ips, if you prefer) in current seed list? 1070953;1427307304;nubbins`;i think this is on the ml somewhere.. 1070954;1427307309;ascii_field;yeah i posted it. 1070955;1427307329;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html 1070956;1427307330;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cb2bDD ) 1070957;1427307337;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000044.html 1070958;1427307337;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cb2bU9 ) 1070959;1427307343;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html 1070960;1427307344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoqAY2 ) 1070961;1427307353;ascii_field;^ that was all i think 1070962;1427307385;nubbins`;*six*? 1070963;1427307414;mod6;you rang? 1070964;1427307417;nubbins`;heh. 1070965;1427307443;jurov;if seedlist is to be signed, then it can download it automatically, no? 1070966;1427307444;nubbins`;so according to this, six live seeds would ostensibly be enough to bootstrap with 1070967;1427307452;ascii_field;until they're shot 1070968;1427307457;nubbins`;right. 1070969;1427307466;nubbins`;then those six are useless 1070970;1427307469;ascii_field;the only reason they are alive (and are they? i checked a good while ago) is that no one cared. 1070971;1427307484;nubbins`;in the meantime, we've been using a different six since we sent out the first X units 1070972;1427307504;nubbins`;cat-and-mouse 1070973;1427307510;nubbins`;brb 1070974;1427307552;ascii_field;there will be considerably less cat'n'mouse if enemy -knows- that there can be no effect from chewing on the mice 1070975;1427307564;ascii_field;and the only way this could be so is if there are no magic hardcoded ips. 1070976;1427307573;ascii_field;you can't ddos an rsa key 1070977;1427307590;ascii_field;or have it administratively forced to rout to ft meade 1070978;1427307597;ascii_field;*route 1070979;1427307972;*;ben_vulpes thinks more 1070980;1427308324;jurov;!mpif 1070981;1427308325;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021375 B (Total: 467.44 B). Delta: 0.31 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] 1070982;1427308331;jurov;!t m f.mpif 1070983;1427308332;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (1000 shares, 0.21 BTC) 1070984;1427308686;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1070985;1427309301;nubbins`;ascii_field so what's the path from rsa key -> seed node 1070986;1427309310;ascii_field;nubbins`: i proposed a very simple one 1070987;1427309313;nubbins`;maybe i'm being obtuse :S 1070988;1427309344;ascii_field;nubbins`: node ships with no seeds. even without bitcoind binary. user inserts a storage unit on which he has placed a therealbitcoin-signed tarball. this gets eaten up. 1070989;1427309348;ascii_field;repeat as necessary. 1070990;1427309364;ascii_field;(and user presses button, yes) 1070991;1427309375;nubbins`;a a a. 1070992;1427309380;nubbins`;i gotcha 1070993;1427309396;ben_vulpes;seeds included in tarball? 1070994;1427309406;nubbins`;heh. 1070995;1427309551;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: aha 1070996;1427309567;nubbins`;any seed list made public by any means is a target 1070997;1427309586;nubbins`;us cloaked ones forget about ddos lurkers in here 1070998;1427309594;ascii_field;nubbins`: yes. but -how attractive- a target, will depend on how much damage can be done to our cause by shooting at it 1070999;1427309603;ascii_field;hence the sheer lunacy of unchangeable ips anywhere 1071000;1427309654;nubbins`;at this rate you're gonna have to get in the wot before someone tells you a seed ip 1071001;1427309664;*;nubbins` blinks twice 1071002;1427309689;ascii_field;nubbins`: bitcoin doesn't run on secret ips 1071003;1427309697;ascii_field;that's a road to lameness 1071004;1427309716;ascii_field;but there is a reasonably sane solution that doesn't involve secrecy 1071005;1427309731;ascii_field;but simply 'we can move these at zero cost to us and ours if we want to, so don't bother shooting at them' 1071006;1427309872;*;nubbins` gestures appropriately 1071007;1427309934;nubbins`;foundation could publish a list of trusted seeds each month w/ state of the union 1071008;1427309939;nubbins`;i don't know 1071009;1427309946;ascii_field;why not. 1071010;1427309950;nubbins`;also woot, 2x raspi & 2x pogo just showed up 1071011;1427309969;nubbins`;seed list is in a source file? 1071012;1427309981;nubbins`;or txt 1071013;1427309986;ascii_field;txt 1071014;1427309993;nubbins`;beaut 1071015;1427309999;nubbins`;monthly seed list updates 1071016;1427310003;nubbins`;separate tarball 1071017;1427310029;nubbins`;unit comes w/ instructions for use, that includes grabbing both the bitcoind tarball and a seed list tarball of choice 1071018;1427310047;ascii_field;try to see, i don't suggest hosting therealbitcoin mega-seeds on dynamic ip consumer boxes 1071019;1427310055;ascii_field;but on solid pipes somewhere, ideally 1071020;1427310070;ascii_field;the movability is like nukes, shouldn't ever have to be -used- - with any regularity 1071021;1427310076;nubbins`;nod 1071022;1427310086;ascii_field;it must be there to remind the enemy of his helplessness 1071023;1427310185;nubbins`;so the switch from phoundation seeds to foundation seeds must happen after said pipes are tapped 1071024;1427310330;ascii_field;phoundation - usg 1071025;1427310334;ascii_field;foundation - therealbitcoin 1071026;1427310368;nubbins`;nod 1071027;1427310370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5115 @ 0.00023349 = 1.1943 BTC [+] 1071028;1427310399;nubbins`;i try to use .foundation when they're not both in the same sentence 8) 1071029;1427310497;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1071030;1427310502;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/aIuCFrx 1071031;1427310502;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMu0OZ ) 1071032;1427310518;nubbins`;gonna try the SD-for-block-storage route on one of these 1071033;1427310526;ascii_field;these are sata-less variant ? 1071034;1427310538;nubbins`;nod 1071035;1427310540;ascii_field;aha 1071036;1427310548;nubbins`;still haven't found a reasonable purple-logo unit source for canada 1071037;1427310571;nubbins`;although i suppose i'm sort of being an asshole by saying $28usd isn't reasonable 1071038;1427311529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00023234 = 3.4502 BTC [-] 1071039;1427311672;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069704 << it does have an "eject" button on the back next to the USB3 ports 1071040;1427311672;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 04:18:28; asciilifeform: nubbins`: pogo4 has no buttons 1071041;1427311681;nubbins`;yeah we determined that after 1071042;1427311684;nubbins`;both had to check units iirc 1071043;1427311696;ascii_field;danielpbarron: at first i though that the rear button was a cpu reset line 1071044;1427311701;ascii_field;*thought 1071045;1427312331;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1071046;1427313222;mircea_popescu;this one's for nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/QblQ8cO.gifv 1071047;1427313223;assbot;Old dog tricking puppy, so cute. ... ( http://bit.ly/1budlut ) 1071048;1427313237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.000232 = 1.5544 BTC [-] {2} 1071049;1427313379;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070789 << check it out, altman is poor. 1071050;1427313379;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 17:13:12; punkman: http://blog.samaltman.com/bubble-talk "This bet is open to the first VC who would like to take it . The loser donates $100,000 to a charity of the winner’s choice." meh 1071051;1427313423;mircea_popescu;what's with the charity bs and what's with the sub million bs. is this the new jersey memorial golf circuit ? 1071052;1427313552;mircea_popescu;(for poor people reading : "donating to a charity" = tax deduction = you didn't actually spend anything. because say my company has made 1mn revenue this year, and my tax accountant is bs so i have to pay like 120k in tax. if i donate 100k to a charity and pay 30k ish im all done. so therefore - whether i lose this bet or not decides whether i write a check to x or to y, not whether i write the check at all. 1071053;1427313569;mircea_popescu;"donation to charity" is what rich people do to make poor people think something happened.) 1071054;1427313619;mircea_popescu;and dealing in sub-million units is really like proposing to settle differences by wager of battle, "except let's use styrofoam weapons". totally dude, rad. 1071055;1427313629;ascii_field;for extra mega-b0nus, the 'charity' is run by phriendz/childrenz/catamites of the 'donor' 1071056;1427313642;mircea_popescu;in his case, for sure. 1071057;1427313672;mircea_popescu;considering how the entire subculture is composed of nothing but "transhumanists" 1071058;1427313676;mircea_popescu;where the fuck is that kid. 1071059;1427313680;mircea_popescu;such a great picture he had 1071060;1427313693;ascii_field;cishumanists 1071061;1427313709;thestringpuller;ascii_field made a south parkian joke! 1071062;1427313753;ascii_field;wai wat 1071063;1427313756;thestringpuller;ascii_field: so russian d00d works on implmentations team. he was in the break room and we go up to him to ask him random question about rapper or something, and he's like "I don't have time for this shit. Are you paying me to answer this question?" 1071064;1427313795;*;ascii_field would likely demand pay to answer such a question 1071065;1427313805;mircea_popescu;omfg where is turkenest head 1071066;1427313908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 300 @ 0.00349371 = 1.0481 BTC [-] 1071067;1427313925;danielpbarron;http://i0.wp.com/hplusmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-12-at-10.58.28-AM.png?fit=300%2C300 1071068;1427313926;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bufy9p ) 1071069;1427313969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00022722 = 3.3515 BTC [-] {2} 1071070;1427314052;nubbins`;heh 1071071;1427314055;mircea_popescu;jerm la haine! found him! 1071072;1427314056;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-03-2015#1059325 1071073;1427314056;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2015 04:12:53; mircea_popescu: "Jerm La Haine: I’ve been doing music production and graphic design for just under twenty years now." 1071074;1427314070;nubbins`;20 years o.O 1071075;1427314077;nubbins`;what makes me think this guy is 25 1071076;1427314095;mircea_popescu;http://i0.wp.com/hplusmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-12-at-10.58.28-AM.png?resize=302%2C439 << jerm! la haine! 1071077;1427314096;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bug5rO ) 1071078;1427314120;mircea_popescu;ah tyvm danielpbarron lol 1071079;1427314121;*;danielpbarron is following him on twitter 1071080;1427314122;mircea_popescu;i was digging 1071081;1427314128;mircea_popescu;since then or b4 ? 1071082;1427314128;danielpbarron;i should have labeled it 1071083;1427314131;danielpbarron;since then 1071084;1427314140;mircea_popescu;lol shock trooper 1071085;1427314164;danielpbarron;he claimed to not know who whoever someone here compared him to 1071086;1427314223;danielpbarron;jaronlanier 1071087;1427314227;mircea_popescu;and to round up the "sam altman is poor" thing : yes, he actually is. 1071088;1427314253;mircea_popescu;leah goodman poor, which is to say he gets a few 100s of discretionary tspending a week and gets to - at the lord's pleasure - inhabit a decent mancave. for now. 1071089;1427314254;mircea_popescu;but that's it. 1071090;1427314266;nubbins`;i forgot about her 1071091;1427314269;nubbins`;(tm) 1071092;1427314271;mircea_popescu;and it his isn't poverty, i guess i'm just privileged. 1071093;1427314300;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the ugly but aging sex in the city aspirationalist that "found satoshi's identity". then ascii_field thought she was rich then she wasn't. 1071094;1427314334;mircea_popescu;if you b-a her name it's all in there because she's one of those (unfamous, anon irrelevant people that appear suddenly and on one topic. as opposed to say lenin.) 1071095;1427314345;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1071096;1427314348;*;ascii_field has a possibly different imagination of 'rich' than mircea_popescu 1071097;1427314367;mircea_popescu;you know, stupid people sleep ad libitum by the definition of those terms. 1071098;1427314396;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: do they? or does the dependapotomus and its six screaming offspring wake'em 1071099;1427314400;ascii_field;or the roommatez 1071100;1427314406;ascii_field;or the roaches and bedbugs 1071101;1427314416;nubbins`;i generally wake the roommates, not the other way around 8) 1071102;1427314501;mircea_popescu;anyway im gonna be briefly afk 1071103;1427314602;fluffypony;Romania: Internet vs. Roads - http://i.imgur.com/XHw8GLw.jpg 1071104;1427314602;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMCtl9 ) 1071105;1427314756;punkman;http://theuserisdrunk.com/ 1071106;1427314757;assbot;The User is Drunk ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMCFRp ) 1071107;1427314762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00023317 = 1.3524 BTC [+] 1071108;1427314791;punkman;" Is this your only job? No. I have a full time job changing the world." 1071109;1427314860;punkman;http://jpleary.tumblr.com/post/113925136153/keywords-for-the-age-of-austerity-16-flexibility 1071110;1427314862;assbot;Keywords for the Age of Austerity 16: Flexibility ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMCJRf ) 1071111;1427314884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16931 @ 0.00022409 = 3.7941 BTC [-] 1071112;1427315030;trinque;punkman: hah I just quoted that part myself 1071113;1427315036;trinque;what a toolbag 1071114;1427315081;trinque;punkman: this is his "changing the world" https://www.ideapod.com/ 1071115;1427315082;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMDcTD ) 1071116;1427315111;trinque;looks like uh... twitter social thing, part 2352580238 1071117;1427315158;punkman;https://www.ideapod.com/idea/55129ac7aed1543322f7ea2f 1071118;1427315159;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMDlGt ) 1071119;1427315226;trinque;"I've always felt as if my brain was always wired for a short circuit or at least in a way that wasn't too appealing for anyone else but me. 1071120;1427315227;trinque;Ideapod has given me courage to share my insights with its delightful community and made me realise that the problem wasn't my personal content, but my personal context. " 1071121;1427315230;trinque;ahahahah 1071122;1427315238;ascii_field;waiwat 1071123;1427315252;trinque;yep given the right spotlight, any hag becomes irresistable 1071124;1427315260;trinque;that's what I just learned 1071125;1427315314;trinque;get enough of those together and "progress concentrate" starts to form, which can be bottled and sold at Whole Foods 1071126;1427315338;ascii_field;menstruade (TM) 1071127;1427315357;nubbins`;batorade (tm) 1071128;1427315378;trinque;bahaha, either works 1071129;1427315385;trinque;o look a poem https://www.ideapod.com/idea/54c70f5477656217dcfc0400 1071130;1427315386;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BME62c ) 1071131;1427315555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9946 @ 0.00023349 = 2.3223 BTC [+] 1071132;1427316170;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1071133;1427316422;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/gC3AHbA 1071134;1427316422;assbot; My copy machine was programmed not to completely copy money - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMFsu2 ) 1071135;1427316502;ascii_field;'my targeting computer was programmed not to fire at usg' 1071136;1427316564;ascii_field;anybody recall the gps-boobytrapped cnc mills thread 1071137;1427316566;ascii_field;? 1071138;1427316677;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2014#439853 1071139;1427316677;assbot;Logged on 09-01-2014 02:38:52; asciilifeform: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/dmg-mori-gildemeister-maho-cnc/mori-ellison-gyroscope-unlocking-273841/ 1071140;1427316714;ascii_field;'We as a company own all of the machines. There is no outstanding balance and we've already had the tech come out to unlock them. Due to some business changes, we want to move the machines around the shop floor to reconfigure our machining cell however as we've done more research, we've found that there is a small board in the electrical panel of the machine that houses a gyroscope so that if the machine is moved/tilted, 1071141;1427316715;ascii_field;it will lock out the machine.' 1071142;1427316726;ascii_field;^ vintage thread. but reposted for the record 1071143;1427316735;ascii_field;this is what usg-mandated code looks like. 1071144;1427317080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75438 @ 0.000236 = 17.8034 BTC [+] {6} 1071145;1427317230;nubbins`;i recall that 1071146;1427318117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15826 @ 0.00025392 = 4.0185 BTC [+] 1071147;1427318212;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1071148;1427318417;nubbins`;!s turdel 1071149;1427318418;assbot;2 results for 'turdel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=turdel 1071150;1427318433;jurov; Romania: Internet vs. Roads << slovakia the same 1071151;1427318499;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yup. pretty much exactly. 1071152;1427318638;mircea_popescu; The User is Drunk ... << why not go all the way and admit it. "the user is stupid, therefore worthless. so am i. please pay me money because worthless idiots are people too. HUMAN RIGHTS ARE IRREVERSIBLE!!11" 1071153;1427318688;mircea_popescu;https://plasso.co/richard.littauer@gmail.com << genius. let's use emails as urls. 1071154;1427318690;assbot;Pay: Richard Littauer ... ( http://bit.ly/18Y6Puq ) 1071155;1427318753;mircea_popescu;trinque oddly that thing doesn't load any content for me. either im not drunk enough or you broke it. 1071156;1427318789;mircea_popescu;nubbins`> batorade (tm) << secreted by the batshit insane ? 1071157;1427318809;nubbins`;it still rhymes with gatorade! 1071158;1427318818;trinque;mircea_popescu: you're not missing anything 1071159;1427318852;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "Copy machine money" : this is a sad necessity. if it weren't present, muppets WOULD "try it", and discover "it works", and srsly financial collapse. for real. 1071160;1427318880;trinque;the great canon pixma revolution of 2018 1071161;1427318884;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: they did try, and result could only fool a muppet 1071162;1427318910;mircea_popescu;which is 90% of people engaged in commerce. 1071163;1427318911;ascii_field;and it takes some actual work to bleach a 1usd note to get anything like plausible paper for benjie 1071164;1427318923;mircea_popescu;check it out, bitcointalk scams fooled tons of "early adopters", "world changers" etc. 1071165;1427318939;ascii_field;different game. 'they wanted to believe' 1071166;1427318948;mircea_popescu;ascii_field im talking money cut out of a fucking notebook. 1071167;1427318951;mircea_popescu;so do these ? 1071168;1427318954;mircea_popescu;exactly same game. 1071169;1427318957;mircea_popescu;where's that video. 1071170;1427319079;mircea_popescu;;;google christina applegate buys a car with kellog's cornflakes cutoutsd. 1071171;1427319081;gribble;No matches found. 1071172;1427319087;ascii_field;(phun phact for non-u.s. folks: all u.s. dollar notes have exactly the same physical dimensions.) 1071173;1427319089;mircea_popescu;yeah, well, google... that just means you're useless. 1071174;1427319538;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i don't get it. who would "buy" such a thing ? 1071175;1427319550;mircea_popescu;we're not talking 100 bucks for a piece of plastic here. 1071176;1427319551;ascii_field;wai wat 1071177;1427319558;ascii_field;buy what 1071178;1427319564;mircea_popescu;'We as a company own all of the machines. There is no outstanding balance and we've already had the tech come out to unlock them." 1071179;1427319581;ascii_field;aha, as in 'who would buy a boeing' ? 1071180;1427319595;mircea_popescu;"a company, not a person - or in other words nobody" 1071181;1427319603;mircea_popescu;gotta love the systematic nature of stupid. 1071182;1427319627;ascii_field;i thought mircea_popescu was asking why a firm would purchase rather than lease the machines 1071183;1427319644;mircea_popescu;they paid them, it's not a lease anymore. 1071184;1427319662;ascii_field;aha 1071185;1427319685;*;ascii_field thought that mircea_popescu was asking why the machines are offered for purchase rather than, as often happens with such equipment, for lease 1071186;1427319686;trinque;should've sued instead of just thanking the tech for restoring access to their property 1071187;1427319699;ascii_field;trinque: you 'agree' when you buy 1071188;1427319702;ascii_field;to the crapolade 1071189;1427319707;mircea_popescu;trinque im thinking the same, this is something readily resolved in court. 1071190;1427319711;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you agree never to move it ? 1071191;1427319717;mircea_popescu;why ? 1071192;1427319721;ascii_field;you agree to pay $$$$$ to move 1071193;1427319727;ascii_field;because usg inspectors 1071194;1427319759;*;mircea_popescu is unfamiliar with the field. 1071195;1427319763;mircea_popescu;what's being inspected specifically ? 1071196;1427319770;ascii_field;location 1071197;1427319780;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070794 << the SEEDS. nodes constantly discover their own peers. starting from a seed list. 1071198;1427319780;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 17:37:53; ascii_field: ben_vulpes: no, nodes don't get updated << so, let's go into this in detail. they ship with all the seed ips they will ever have? for the record i proclaim this to be retarded. -keys- are the constants of our world, not ip addrs 1071199;1427319782;trinque;how hard would it be to break the accelerometer? 1071200;1427319796;mircea_popescu;trinque it probably stops working. 1071201;1427319802;nubbins`;gzip: turdel.gz: not in gzip format 1071202;1427319805;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what about it ? 1071203;1427319811;ascii_field;nubbins`: it sure as fuck is a gzip 1071204;1427319814;ascii_field;wget it 1071205;1427319818;ascii_field;don't use browser 1071206;1427319822;ascii_field;(they often unzip) 1071207;1427319831;nubbins`;o. 1071208;1427319833;trinque;mircea_popescu: someone should have a business doing aftermarket mods on these 1071209;1427319835;nubbins`;totally what i did. sec. 1071210;1427319838;nubbins`;(and til!) 1071211;1427319839;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what about it << it being in a usg-blessed region 1071212;1427319847;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070795 << there's no such thing desired or even possible. understand : the scam foundation is stupid because it is actually stupid, not because me or you or god said it should be deemed as stupid. 1071213;1427319847;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 17:39:09; ascii_field: i utterly understand the desire to 'tivoize' these things so they don't get turned into phoundation nodes by lamers. but this can be done without idiot waste. 1071214;1427319853;mircea_popescu;actual hardware is useless for their purposes 1071215;1427319861;mircea_popescu;they need imaginary hardware to support their imaginary "technologies" 1071216;1427319875;ascii_field;^ my puny brain does not get the meaning of this 1071217;1427319879;ascii_field;imaginary hardware ? 1071218;1427319882;mircea_popescu;yes. 1071219;1427319889;ascii_field;as in vapourware ? 1071220;1427319900;mircea_popescu;usgavin's been on a kick about this imaginary hardware that will run his 200 trillion jiggabit nodes. 1071221;1427319911;mircea_popescu;because you know, "it quadruples every two weeks" 1071222;1427319924;mircea_popescu;what's the pogo gonna do ? 1071223;1427319926;ascii_field;neh from my perch it looks like they're gearing up for an elementary meat war of conventional nodes 1071224;1427319939;mircea_popescu;that's what they think they're doing. 1071225;1427319950;mircea_popescu;understand : they can stand on their fucking head. "vote" ? what fucking vote ? 1071226;1427319958;mircea_popescu;heck, i'll vote WITH them on the voting stage of things 1071227;1427319963;mircea_popescu;still rape them once the switch happens. 1071228;1427319979;mircea_popescu;this is not a discussion of anything but the hard laws. 1071229;1427319988;mircea_popescu;or w/e hanbot called it 1071230;1427320011;trinque;hm 1071231;1427320012;mircea_popescu;so : yeah, usg&friends thinks it's engaging me on its own terms. 1071232;1427320016;mircea_popescu;and it has been doing this, for years now. 1071233;1427320017;trinque;is it just a matter of preserving the existing chain? 1071234;1427320024;trinque;not "winning" in the sense of a fork? 1071235;1427320028;mircea_popescu;it does not work. might as well grab the moon with a tweezer 1071236;1427320036;trinque;because they become incompatible, then go off to eventually die? 1071237;1427320038;nubbins`;ascii_field oh wait this is just a blob, isn't it? 1071238;1427320039;mircea_popescu;"i wonder why that doesn't work, the allignm,ent was perfect!" 1071239;1427320050;ascii_field;nubbins`: it's just a demo kernel for pogo 1071240;1427320051;mircea_popescu;trinque it autowins the fork. 1071241;1427320054;nubbins`;nod 1071242;1427320064;ascii_field;nubbins`: armv5 binary. nothing earth-shaking 1071243;1427320074;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1071244;1427320087;nubbins`;brainfarted and thought you mentioned smth about a uboot being in there 1071245;1427320095;ascii_field;nubbins`: -also- built u-boot 1071246;1427320098;ascii_field;but not posted 1071247;1427320102;nubbins`;aha! :D 1071248;1427320119;ascii_field;and in case anyone needs to be reminded, please don't use downloaded binaries for anything serious 1071249;1427320120;nubbins`;i was about to flash the nand when i recalled a nebulous something about this 1071250;1427320121;mircea_popescu;ascii_field dja get my meaning here ? 1071251;1427320148;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if i understand, the meaning is that there is no phoundation node ? 1071252;1427320159;ascii_field;this still doesn't give us a license to be retarded when making these 1071253;1427320163;mircea_popescu;there can not be a power ranger node that can run on a pogo. 1071254;1427320169;mircea_popescu;think about it. 20mb blocks ? srsly ? 1071255;1427320182;mircea_popescu;no, itdoesn't give us a license to be retarded. 1071256;1427320185;thestringpuller;20mb is only the limit! 1071257;1427320186;ascii_field;actually, i can see them trying to convert'em to 0.10 or what it was 1071258;1427320191;thestringpuller;the blocks will be much smaller 1071259;1427320192;ascii_field;just to maintain relevance for selves 1071260;1427320195;thestringpuller;until then! 1071261;1427320196;ascii_field;and keep us off the stage 1071262;1427320198;mircea_popescu;but if you imagine there's any room in the spec of this thing for the end user to fiddle with it you're ourgiht nuts. 1071263;1427320201;mircea_popescu;fire and forget. 1071264;1427320202;mircea_popescu;only way. 1071265;1427320205;*;thestringpuller says other pseudo arguments 1071266;1427320211;ascii_field;hardcoded seeds are retarded 1071267;1427320221;ascii_field;i stand by this 1071268;1427320225;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah thought in the shower today that giving an easy way to dump other code into the thing later was a terrible idea 1071269;1427320233;trinque;all the thing has to do is hold the line 1071270;1427320235;ascii_field;they -will- be ddosed and sinkholed to usg machines. 1071271;1427320237;ascii_field;guaranteed. 1071272;1427320242;mircea_popescu;trinque it.costs.20.bux.to.get.one. 1071273;1427320246;trinque;yeap 1071274;1427320252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00025269 = 3.664 BTC [-] 1071275;1427320252;mircea_popescu;wtf people. srsly. if anyone WANTS TO run a pogo they can 1071276;1427320257;mircea_popescu;they can run fucking madonna videos on it 1071277;1427320258;mircea_popescu;k ? 1071278;1427320259;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 20bux + a man with a suitcase to bring it to you, if you're in ar 1071279;1427320270;mircea_popescu;we are solving third world problems now ? 1071280;1427320275;ascii_field;and that's while the 20bux machines last. 1071281;1427320283;mircea_popescu;fuck the third world with a spiked club. if it wasn't made by retards it wouldn't be third. 1071282;1427320300;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if we're so non-thirdworld, where's my ic fab ? 1071283;1427320312;mircea_popescu;these are different problems omg. 1071284;1427320331;ascii_field;fact is, 101st or 202nd pogo, whichever, will cost $maxint. 1071285;1427320332;mircea_popescu;the mexican billionaire w/e his name is has his own ic fab made out of driewd cunt juice./ 1071286;1427320336;mircea_popescu;so ? 1071287;1427320354;ascii_field;so we're thirdworld. or we wouldn't be playing junkyard wars. 1071288;1427320360;ascii_field;or do i misunderstand the term 1071289;1427320381;thestringpuller;how is this anything like junk yard wars? 1071290;1427320390;ascii_field;thestringpuller: we're repurposing obsolete hardware 1071291;1427320395;ascii_field;rather than fabbing single-chip node 1071292;1427320401;ascii_field;from ore 1071293;1427320407;trinque;an AK is a great gun 1071294;1427320416;ascii_field;!s izhevsk 1071295;1427320417;assbot;4 results for 'izhevsk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=izhevsk 1071296;1427320423;ascii_field;^ mandatory 1071297;1427320431;mircea_popescu;i think you misunderstand the term. 1071298;1427320438;ascii_field;hm? 1071299;1427320452;mircea_popescu;but anyway : forget argentina, and forget the anecdotal peculiarities of my odd choices in things. 1071300;1427320482;thestringpuller;ascii_field: this seems more like battlebots than junkyard wars. (Junkyard wars reminds me more of ed edd and eddie which was pretty much all junkyard hacking" 1071301;1427320491;mircea_popescu;this is a consumer product, it works like a consumer product. once it stops working it gets thrown out. 1071302;1427320499;mircea_popescu;it is not an item to be loved, dreamed about, repaired, tuned etc. 1071303;1427320525;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i get this. but we're dealing with a fundamental case of amplification attack. 1071304;1427320532;mircea_popescu;specifically ? 1071305;1427320540;ascii_field;enemy can cost us K by spending J, where J is close to nil and K is positive 1071306;1427320551;mircea_popescu;sp.eci.fi.cally!!111 1071307;1427320552;ascii_field;they ddos the magic ips - or worse, silently redirect to own boxes 1071308;1427320559;ascii_field;and we have to parachute new units ? 1071309;1427320567;mircea_popescu;yes. 1071310;1427320576;ascii_field;i say this is retarded 1071311;1427320578;mircea_popescu;for the cost of this project, i wish to see large scale ip diddling 1071312;1427320586;mircea_popescu;i totally wish to see it. 1071313;1427320593;mircea_popescu;heck, ima make a blog post about it. 1071314;1427320615;ascii_field;just for mircea_popescu's pleasure they will do straight sinkhole 1071315;1427320618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00025269 = 1.3645 BTC [-] 1071316;1427320619;ascii_field;instead of diddlage 1071317;1427320628;mircea_popescu;and this won't be all over the internets, either. 1071318;1427320641;mircea_popescu;dja see how the fucking attacked ips are actually more valuable than the damned pogos ? 1071319;1427320646;ascii_field;at any rate, -we won't know- that it's pointing to usg boxes emulating our nodes 1071320;1427320652;mircea_popescu;right. 1071321;1427320659;ascii_field;there is no mechanism for distinguishing a correctly operating node from one that will be until day X 1071322;1427320660;mircea_popescu;overengineering is like cocaine. 1071323;1427320696;ascii_field;the fucking attacked ips are actually more valuable than the damned pogos << they are not valuable because we can never prove they exist 1071324;1427320704;ascii_field;even to our own satisfaction 1071325;1427320709;mircea_popescu;... 1071326;1427320718;ascii_field;i'll spell it out: 1071327;1427320720;mircea_popescu;because they only exist halfway, like competent usg and able nsa ? 1071328;1427320724;ascii_field;1) we deploy boxes with magic ips 1071329;1427320740;ascii_field;2) usg redirects them to exact copies of our own boxes sitting in ft meade 1071330;1427320757;ascii_field;3) ages pass and we notice nothing. they switch theirs off when ours go off, etc. direct mitm 1071331;1427320767;mircea_popescu;orly. 1071332;1427320772;mircea_popescu;no measurable latency of this 1071333;1427320774;ascii_field;4) on day X they turn on the mitm diddlamatic and do... something 1071334;1427320776;ascii_field;5) ??? 1071335;1427320777;ascii_field;6) profit 1071336;1427320782;mircea_popescu;what fucking profit lol. 1071337;1427320790;ascii_field;ask'em not me 1071338;1427320793;mircea_popescu;ft meade gets to look like a kiddy pool i took a piss in 1071339;1427320798;mircea_popescu;total profit. 1071340;1427320802;nubbins`;so deploy them with magic ips and "check here monthly for updated seed list, the walls have eyes, sam is in the trees, etc" 1071341;1427320804;mircea_popescu;wron side of the scoreboard, but sure, profit. 1071342;1427320818;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that's a concentration of the problem. 1071343;1427320821;mircea_popescu;now you have a "here" 1071344;1427320832;nubbins`;the original seed list is a "here" 1071345;1427320837;ascii_field;precisely why i didn't say 'network update' 1071346;1427320840;mircea_popescu;right but you're adding a narrower version. 1071347;1427320842;nubbins`;(and there, and there, and there...) 1071348;1427320847;ascii_field;i said 'will eat update signed by key' 1071349;1427320862;ascii_field;the key in mircea_popescu's ring, or wherever 1071350;1427320864;mircea_popescu;ascii_field if you're so absolutely convinced, how about seedlist is a config file sits with blockchain on disk ? 1071351;1427320870;trinque;ascii_field: that's what I proposed 1071352;1427320871;ascii_field;aha 1071353;1427320874;ascii_field;that was what i asked for 1071354;1427320881;trinque;an address sending transactions which indicate hashes of updates 1071355;1427320886;trinque;of the seedlist, whatever 1071356;1427320892;trinque;and yeah, then somebody is a point of failure 1071357;1427320903;mircea_popescu;ascii_field seemed to me you're asking for an entirely something erlse, but anyway 1071358;1427320927;mircea_popescu;iirc you were asking for a complex update gpg signature thing. not for a simple "move x text file from /sda to /sdb" 1071359;1427321009;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> right but you're adding a narrower version. << so "check the usual places monthly", w/e 1071360;1427321045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16171 @ 0.00024929 = 4.0313 BTC [-] {2} 1071361;1427321052;mircea_popescu;nubbins` if it's not narrower just make it the seed list. bam back to square one. 1071362;1427321061;mircea_popescu;you're trying to jump a fence by crawling on your back. 1071363;1427321078;*;nubbins` shakes head 1071364;1427321093;trinque;what if the seed list was encoded directly as transactions? 1071365;1427321100;nubbins`;monthly state of bitcoin address, "check out these sweet seed ips" 1071366;1427321105;trinque;trusted after some large number of confirmations 1071367;1427321109;trinque;nubbins`: yeha. 1071368;1427321118;nubbins`;"feel free to update the seed list that came w/ your device" 1071369;1427321129;nubbins`;"it's been signed by us and our pubkeys shipped with your device" 1071370;1427321135;trinque;I'm not even saying that 1071371;1427321136;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. 1071372;1427321138;nubbins`;THEN you only need to worry about the NSA intercepting the shipments. 1071373;1427321140;trinque;encode IPs into outputs or something 1071374;1427321171;mircea_popescu;build a cnc mill in every pogo, be done with it. 1071375;1427321181;mircea_popescu;they could make dildos while brushing gf's teeth. 1071376;1427321209;nubbins`;<+trinque> what if the seed list was encoded directly as transactions? <<< how you gonna get those transactions? 1071377;1427321222;mircea_popescu;by infinite power. 1071378;1427321252;*;mircea_popescu passes out "you suck at system design" dounce hats liberally. 1071379;1427321262;trinque;eh ok 1071380;1427321265;*;nubbins` sighs 1071381;1427321273;trinque;obviously the thing has to connect to something first 1071382;1427321290;trinque;if you wanted it to connect to other somethings later, either the natural way or some means of signaling 1071383;1427321295;nubbins`;i'm suggesting shipping them with a hardcoded seed list *just like you are* 1071384;1427321299;trinque;if you can't trust a txn that's very old, uh 1071385;1427321301;trinque;bitcoin doesn't work 1071386;1427321313;mircea_popescu;nubbins` do you mind ? i'm being mean over here. 1071387;1427321315;nubbins`;i'm just also saying that /new seeds can be published in the future by the .foundation, if they want to/ 1071388;1427321324;*;nubbins` tips table over 1071389;1427321339;mircea_popescu;was that a laser tip or an artisanal tip ? 1071390;1427321345;nubbins`;mushroom tip 1071391;1427321352;mircea_popescu;jus' the tip! 1071392;1427321363;nubbins`;'s all that fits 1071393;1427321421;mircea_popescu;(im kinda nonplussed that nobody even seems to realise seed list is only interesting on boot and these aren't intended to ever reboot, really.) 1071394;1427321440;trinque;comcast will eventually go out 1071395;1427321447;mircea_popescu;boot. not network outage. 1071396;1427321460;mircea_popescu;how often does your 1.8 watt thing drain the ups ? 1071397;1427321471;trinque;if they're consumer turds no ups 1071398;1427321473;nubbins`;once every whoops i unplugged it 1071399;1427321484;trinque;"fucking around behind the TV" 1071400;1427321492;mircea_popescu;nubbins` onoes, you ruined 20 bux worht of old gear (plus shipping and handling!) 1071401;1427321507;mircea_popescu;buy two plug them in diff bedrooms. 1071402;1427321521;mircea_popescu;this is hopw the problem is solved in this space : buy more units. 1071403;1427321585;mircea_popescu;i guess nobody ever played zerg hm ? 1071404;1427321612;mircea_popescu;"dude that zergling's broken" "mmkay" "aren't you going to repair it ?" "wut ?! *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*" 1071405;1427321615;nubbins`;nobody's gonna pay ten cents for something that breaks if you turn it off 1071406;1427321632;mircea_popescu;it breaks if you turn it off && fort meade floats in the air above your house. 1071407;1427321661;nubbins`;ha. 1071408;1427321664;mircea_popescu;also known as, not a single seed ip remains. 1071409;1427321671;trinque;anyhow I think any remote control of any kind is bad, mkay 1071410;1427321686;trinque;but if they need some kind of signaling, signaling by blockchain is probably the safest 1071411;1427321695;trinque;not "we trust this pastebin" or w/e 1071412;1427321699;trinque;even gpg signed 1071413;1427321701;mircea_popescu;in general. not when you're signalling how to get the blockchain. 1071414;1427321747;*;trinque goes to find the length of the longest-ever fork 1071415;1427321758;trinque;rather, fork which was abandoned 1071416;1427321769;mircea_popescu;in any case, the "this thing breaks if it runs out of power at any point after the enemy (or more likely plain old rust) has destroyedall seed ips" proposition is better value than 1071417;1427321785;mircea_popescu;"this thing breaks iof there's a bug found in gpg. or if we didn't implement signature checking correctly. or or or or" 1071418;1427321786;nubbins`;trinque for all you know i forked the blockchain 2 years ago and am still shuffling my forked coins 1071419;1427321797;mircea_popescu;trinque not an answerable q. 1071420;1427321845;mircea_popescu;(and before anyone goes "how could we implement signature checking incorrectly", this was discussed mere days ago. === "no errors found" or what was it) 1071421;1427321897;trinque;nubbins`: you can declare you've spent my coin? and others will be able to verify this? 1071422;1427321905;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1071423;1427321915;mircea_popescu;trinque they can be empty blocks, still a fork. 1071424;1427321921;nubbins`;trinque that's not what you were looking for 8) 1071425;1427321948;nubbins`;mircea_popescu so are you proposing that all pogos ever sent out will contain 0.5.3.1 or w/e current release is when the first one goes out? 1071426;1427321955;mircea_popescu;nope. 1071427;1427321962;nubbins`;then it's sort of a self-solving problem 1071428;1427321969;mircea_popescu;i propose whoever makes one puts w/e the fuck they want in there and that's that for the damned unit in question 1071429;1427321977;mircea_popescu;and if you want to change, derp. change the production flux. 1071430;1427321996;mircea_popescu;you know, like industry works since fortever. not like ford mondeo got recalled because hey, they got ford fluence out, so they'll conver them 1071431;1427322011;nubbins`;obviously if the foundation is still producing new releases, it's going to be maintaining a seed list for that release, rather than just continuing to let the dead nodes build up 1071432;1427322018;mircea_popescu;ok. 1071433;1427322026;nubbins`;so if anyone particularly feels like they don't want their out of date unit to be so 1071434;1427322041;nubbins`;they're 100% welcome to grab the latest foundation release, because obv it'll still work 1071435;1427322050;nubbins`;it's just off-label usage as far as we're concerned. 1071436;1427322103;nubbins`;ascii_field ^^ ? 1071437;1427322117;danielpbarron;i know "time isn't really money" but however long it takes to upgrade one of these things is probably enough time to earn more than 20 USD working at McDonalds 1071438;1427322142;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron the (actually sound) argument is that they won't be 20 forever, we're eating up a bubble of externalised cost. 1071439;1427322144;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1071312 why, yes, this has been done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_blocking_access_to_The_Pirate_Bay 1071440;1427322144;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 21:56:26; mircea_popescu: i totally wish to see it. 1071441;1427322145;assbot;Countries blocking access to The Pirate Bay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nhf4PC ) 1071442;1427322162;trinque;heh! 1071443;1427322163;mircea_popescu;jurov i am not seeing it can not be done. 1071444;1427322168;mircea_popescu;i am seeing i wish to see it done, for us. 1071445;1427322177;mircea_popescu;s/seeing/saying/ 1071446;1427322184;jurov;lolk 1071447;1427322288;jurov;i see, it actually helped thepirateby immensely 1071448;1427322312;mircea_popescu;they ARE making political parties and getting various lawmaker seats because of it. 1071449;1427322331;jurov;and alf will finally get his dreamed out gasenwagen too 1071450;1427322352;mircea_popescu;well he wanted to meet o'brien. 1071451;1427322567;ascii_field;was in meeting 1071452;1427322570;ascii_field;bak 1071453;1427322598;danielpbarron;https://youtu.be/f-6UwDP23s4?t=1m46s 1071454;1427322600;assbot;Seinfeld - George Hates the Jews - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhfXaR ) 1071455;1427322623;trinque;beat the thing one more time... publishing say a magnet link from a known address to an address or addresses representing a bittorrent magnet link seems a fine way to be able to trust shuffling bits out to nodes if that were wanted 1071456;1427322631;ascii_field;aarrgh 1071457;1427322641;mircea_popescu;lawl. 1071458;1427322641;trinque;pub/priv-key encrypt either works or doesn't, sha256 either works or doesn't 1071459;1427322657;ascii_field;trinque: mircea_popescu was alluding to protocol finesse 1071460;1427322660;ascii_field;rather than cryptobreak 1071461;1427322674;ascii_field;as in, e.g., the 'der' idiocy 1071462;1427322683;mircea_popescu;it's just more hard work to read the shit. which is work. which we don't fucking hasve the time for. 1071463;1427322688;mircea_popescu;let's do only the things that are useful. 1071464;1427322722;trinque;mircea_popescu: 100% granted, that is a fine reason not to do it 1071465;1427322735;mircea_popescu;i'm in no case saying that w/e, any one in b-a *couldn't * correctly implement what alf is proposing./ 1071466;1427322744;mircea_popescu;i am however saying that no one here can implement it in zero time. 1071467;1427322762;*;ascii_field can probably implement it in less time than building linux 3.18 took 1071468;1427322777;mircea_popescu;wouldja stop ?! omai gawd. 1071469;1427322783;*;ascii_field wishes to ask mircea_popescu for a favourite tarball of gpg, signed 1071470;1427322799;mircea_popescu;dude keeps exposing himself to these cardano by xmas type of things. why all the self hate yo! 1071471;1427322836;ascii_field;http://xkcd.com/1425 << obligatory 1071472;1427322837;assbot;xkcd: Tasks ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZveh0 ) 1071473;1427322838;brendafdez;;;later tell BingoBoingo it doesn't like me. says too many redirects. links says same. http://i.imgur.com/P5BZM7y.png 1071474;1427322839;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZvgFv ) 1071475;1427322840;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1071476;1427322846;mircea_popescu;just forget it, srsly. seed list can live on hdd with blockchain if the notion of hardcoded magic ip numbers makes you retch 1071477;1427322854;mircea_popescu;that's a completely sufficient solution here, lettuce move on. 1071478;1427322937;*;ascii_field will build rootfs tonight 1071479;1427322944;ascii_field;for pogo/linux 1071480;1427322961;ascii_field;if anyone has notions of what cmdline utils ought to be included - please say. 1071481;1427322966;ascii_field;brb, car. 1071482;1427322982;danielpbarron;tail 1071483;1427322992;danielpbarron;ps 1071484;1427322998;danielpbarron;top 1071485;1427323009;trinque;danielpbarron: that's all in busybox iirc 1071486;1427323017;danielpbarron;grep 1071487;1427323028;trinque;maybe not top, dunno 1071488;1427323041;trinque;neh top is 1071489;1427323042;trinque;danielpbarron: http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html 1071490;1427323045;assbot;BusyBox - The Swiss Army Knife of Embedded Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhgLfO ) 1071491;1427323061;danielpbarron;top might not be needed; i'm just listing the things I use on a regular basis on pogo 1071492;1427323076;danielpbarron;i use top to watch for when bitcoind is done throwing a tantrum 1071493;1427323140;danielpbarron;oh, sshd 1071494;1427323161;trinque;if they're fire and forget anything that needs an open port is an attack vector 1071495;1427323204;danielpbarron;in that case, none of what i just listed is needed 1071496;1427323295;trinque;the disposable RTS unit thing rings true 1071497;1427323325;trinque;the guy who buys this either can service, can buy a new one, or fuck off.. there's no support staff 1071498;1427323350;danielpbarron;if the thing ascii is making will not sshd, anyone who wishes to help test will need to "adulterate" their pogo 1071499;1427323352;*;trinque has simply read too much loper os, the blockchain telegraphy one in particular 1071500;1427323588;jurov;did you solve the clock, does it need time sync at all? 1071501;1427323602;trinque;bwah hah ha 1071502;1427323851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00023389 = 2.0933 BTC [-] 1071503;1427324008;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2015#993360 1071504;1427324008;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2015 01:58:25; asciilifeform: ^ above code will have to be changed to actually set the machine clock ? 1071505;1427324040;trinque;^ relevant perhaps, found via googling, heh! not via logs.b-a search 1071506;1427324211;trinque;!up CheckDavid 1071507;1427324514;trinque;!up mixdio 1071508;1427324516;nubbins`;<+danielpbarron> if the thing ascii is making will not sshd, anyone who wishes to help test will need to "adulterate" their pogo <<< plz to sshd! 1071509;1427324564;trinque;if you give a mouse an sshd he's going to want his pubkey added 1071510;1427324576;danielpbarron;it sounds like a very hard thing to do if you've never soldered before, but think of it as a good excuse to learn a new skill 1071511;1427324590;danielpbarron;and it's not /so/ hard 1071512;1427324609;nubbins`;i'm not soldering anything into more than one unit 1071513;1427324618;danielpbarron;you only need one 1071514;1427324621;nubbins`;wait, test, heh 1071515;1427324642;trinque;my VPS has something attacking it at the moment, lol 1071516;1427324646;mircea_popescu;brendafdez try now. 1071517;1427324647;trinque;really wants to ssh in 1071518;1427324682;nubbins`;anyway for the sake of popping it in there, keep sshd 1071519;1427324742;brendafdez;mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. 1071520;1427324774;BingoBoingo;The insanity would really be not filtering 1071521;1427325011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18380 @ 0.00024063 = 4.4228 BTC [+] {2} 1071522;1427325080;mod6;<+danielpbarron> top << instead of this heavy weight bs, vmstat 1071523;1427325125;*;mod6 has never liked top much 1071524;1427325170;trinque;seems irrelevant, if you're in, you can already install stuff 1071525;1427325373;mircea_popescu;<jurov> did you solve the clock, does it need time sync at all? << REAL CLOCKS KEEP THEIR OWN TIME! 1071526;1427325375;danielpbarron;trinque> really wants to ssh in << me too 1071527;1427325376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.0002424 = 5.1389 BTC [+] {2} 1071528;1427325399;trinque;danielpbarron: nah I was talking about a bot attacking my VPS 1071529;1427325407;danielpbarron;yeah me too 1071530;1427325410;trinque;oh lol 1071531;1427325662;trinque;hah I stopped getting hit when I mentioned it here 1071532;1427325671;mod6;does anyone know where I might be able to get a gentoo vm? 1071533;1427325675;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070848 << lawl 1071534;1427325675;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 17:48:05; ascii_field: (who don't appear to be logged in at present, but, still) 1071535;1427325713;mod6;digitalocean has ubuntu/freebsd/fedora/debian/coreos/centos 1071536;1427325747;trinque;mod6: I've got gentoo up on ec2 1071537;1427325830;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070912 << this bit of nubbsy wisdom is perhaps the pivot for understanding what's to understand in this pogo debate. 1071538;1427325830;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 18:04:25; ben_vulpes: there is no friend/foe 1071539;1427325846;mircea_popescu;there literally is no enemy. there can't be. bitcoin is agnostic in this sense. 1071540;1427325855;mircea_popescu;the only option agents have is whether to exist or not exist. 1071541;1427325864;mod6;trinque: ah, ok. thanks. i think i'll try to set up a local one first. my env is x86_64, but maybe vbox will let me run a x86_32 environment 1071542;1427325867;mircea_popescu;there's no lever to toggle from enemy to friend or w/e. 1071543;1427325888;trinque;mod6: https://rich0gentoo.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/gentoo-ec2-tutorial-bootstrapping/ << might be helpful 1071544;1427325889;assbot;Gentoo EC2 Tutorial / Bootstrapping | Rich0's Gentoo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9Xcbb ) 1071545;1427325893;mod6;thanks 1071546;1427325903;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070918 << spot-check ?! why spot check. you check. 1071547;1427325903;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 18:04:58; ben_vulpes: and it'll remain that way until the block download thing is fixed to a) track node quality and b) spot-check blocks provided by high quality peers 1071548;1427325954;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070932 << quite. ip6 doesn't exist for this purpose yet. 1071549;1427325954;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 18:07:41; ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i recommend strongly against ipv6 in this machine 1071550;1427325961;mod6;is there a preferred version of gentoo that I should test on? 1071551;1427326025;trinque;wow. seriously, entries in auth.log every couple seconds until *just now* 1071552;1427326034;trinque;IPs from all over china 1071553;1427326040;*;trinque chuckles 1071554;1427326073;mod6;danielpbarron: what version of gentoo are you using? 1071555;1427326249;danielpbarron;3.17.8-gentoo-r1 1071556;1427326265;mod6;thanks :] 1071557;1427326344;danielpbarron;trinque, same here 1071558;1427326345;danielpbarron;wtf 1071559;1427326354;mod6;im confused here... 1071560;1427326365;mircea_popescu;pastebin ips ? 1071561;1427326368;trinque;danielpbarron: get ye some fail2ban 1071562;1427326371;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah I will 1071563;1427326372;trinque;and sign 1071564;1427326373;nubbins`;sorry guise, misconfig on my chinese node botnet 1071565;1427326381;mircea_popescu;well both of you, and compare. 1071566;1427326402;mod6;is it called "stage3"? is this an appropriate iso? http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/current-stage3-i686/install-x86-minimal-20150324.iso 1071567;1427326542;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/sshd-fail.txt 1071568;1427326543;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9Z9EB ) 1071569;1427326609;trinque;danielpbarron: oh yeah, I've got those IPs 1071570;1427326612;trinque;pasting in a sec 1071571;1427326651;*;mircea_popescu idly looks 1071572;1427326713;danielpbarron;someone is also doing the same to another ip address i have 1071573;1427326769;danielpbarron;Blocking 103.41.124.173:4 for >630secs: 40 danger in 4 attacks over 8 seconds 1071574;1427326791;nubbins`;height=200150! 1071575;1427326885;jurov;mod6 stage3 yes 1071576;1427326908;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/18KNR7V << this is how a day of trilema looks like. average, 1-200 derps try. 1071577;1427326909;assbot;dpaste: 18KNR7V ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na0dbo ) 1071578;1427326939;jurov;just move the sshd to alternative port (best if it isn't in nmap shortlist) 1071579;1427326982;mod6;thanks jurov 1071580;1427327034;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/580856115312738304 1071581;1427327036;assbot;Moderator asks audience, "Who here thinks there will be a hard fork missile crisis?" /petertoddbtc raises his hand. 1071582;1427327197;asciilifeform;l0l wat 1071583;1427327298;asciilifeform;trinque: blockchain telegraphy << bootstrap flyer. you don't have a blockchain when the thing powers up 1071584;1427327333;asciilifeform;sshd << i will include 'dropbear' (cut-down sshd used in routers) for the dev build. i don't expect to see it in the battlefield build. 1071585;1427327399;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there literally is no enemy... << this is a tough nut to crack, could use explanation 1071586;1427327415;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall the ancient discussion re "what if nsa held a bunch of btc" ? 1071587;1427327424;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the only option agents have is whether to exist or not exist << their purpose is to un-exist us. 1071588;1427327433;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron where was this ? 1071589;1427327444;asciilifeform; spot-check ?! why spot check. you check << see latest thread re: tandem 1071590;1427327448;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but there isn't a box in the windoze to input that purpose. 1071591;1427327460;mircea_popescu;that's the big deal here. 1071592;1427327524;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: sshd-fail.txt << a balanced diet of 1) nonstandard port for the demon 2) 'fail2ban' or equivalent 3) just not giving a fuck - works for me 1071593;1427327549;trinque;asciilifeform: the notable part is that attack stopped for both of us when I mentioned it 1071594;1427327563;mircea_popescu;i think you may have a genetic explanation of intelligence there. 1071595;1427327594;asciilifeform;wawat 1071596;1427327612;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/03/shavers-enters-not-guilty-plea/ 1071597;1427327613;assbot;Shavers Enters Not Guilty Plea | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na2CD6 ) 1071598;1427327620;mircea_popescu;(me last year, waiting for cab with dude in timisoara. cab kinda late. me : "check it out, i'ma light a cigarette and by the magical magic of smoking, it'll show up immediately. 1071599;1427327640;mircea_popescu;mp lights cigarette, cab turns in immediately, mp is revered as god by the kid in question.) 1071600;1427327652;trinque;danielpbarron: where does it end in your log? 1071601;1427327660;*;asciilifeform routinely refers to umbrella as 'rain eliminator' 1071602;1427327679;asciilifeform;(just as much as the cig is a cab-summoner!) 1071603;1427327681;BingoBoingo; (me last year, waiting for cab with dude in timisoara. cab kinda late. me : "check it out, i'ma light a cigarette and by the magical magic of smoking, it'll show up immediately. << Most well known phenomenon associated with tobacco use 1071604;1427327726;mircea_popescu;correlation of pseudorandom variables is a wonderfuil thing 1071605;1427327805;mircea_popescu;!up jfdjdjdjdjrejeii 1071606;1427327816;jfdjdjdjdjrejeii;Yo 1071607;1427327820;mircea_popescu;aha. 1071608;1427327833;trinque;notably the thing never tries any username obviously associated with public info about me 1071609;1427327835;mircea_popescu;thanks god for autotab. 1071610;1427327835;trinque;just strange 1071611;1427327840;jfdjdjdjdjrejeii;Aha what 1071612;1427327875;asciilifeform;meowmix ? 1071613;1427327877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00023937 = 2.2022 BTC [-] {2} 1071614;1427327881;trinque;probably chinese bots just crawling the internet for hostnames to poke 1071615;1427327894;jfdjdjdjdjrejeii;Meowmix is a cat food 1071616;1427327937;asciilifeform;it is also a bozo who connects from jfdjdjdjdjrejeii's slash24 1071617;1427328049;mircea_popescu;Mar 09 20:39:38 *HFSPLUS (~Hannspree@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 16 18:12:52 *Hannspree23 (~Hannspree@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 21 00:25:18 *ponyslaystation (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 21 00:28:21 *ponyslaystation (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-ass 1071618;1427328049;mircea_popescu;ets Mar 21 19:48:59 *KatelynT (~KatelynT4@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 22 16:33:52 *fhiejeurjjurru (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 25 21:00:53 *jfdjdjdjdjrejeii (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets 1071619;1427328051;mircea_popescu;for completeness. 1071620;1427328120;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun recall, who was that dude ? 1071621;1427328202;jfdjdjdjdjrejeii;Bsrack obama? 1071622;1427328302;trinque;danielpbarron: http://dpaste.com/3EVB8XP 1071623;1427328303;assbot;dpaste: 3EVB8XP: fuckbag IPs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na4A6k ) 1071624;1427328310;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who was that dude << no idea, my best hypothesis is that he isn't alive at all but a script 1071625;1427328331;nubbins`;jfdjdjdjdjrejeii did you? 1071626;1427328340;jfdjdjdjdjrejeii;Yeah im a troll whatever 1071627;1427328363;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/4be4d9998c39d363099cc70e5b73b674/tumblr_nlrycyiKM21sgp77yo1_1280.jpg << the ows movement that didn't make it into gawker. 1071628;1427328364;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na4NGA ) 1071629;1427328406;jfdjdjdjdjrejeii;Who has an xbox one? 1071630;1427328415;jfdjdjdjdjrejeii;I kick there ass in cod 1071631;1427328420;trinque;!down jfdjdjdjdjrejeii 1071632;1427328530;trinque;log shows a connect attempt every 1-2sec until Mar 25 16:33:40 PST 1071633;1427328591;mod6;somehow i dl'd a live cd? o.O 1071634;1427328646;nubbins`;nb 1071635;1427328755;trinque;also PSA, ec2's firewall thing now does outbound rules too 1071636;1427328865;mod6;can anyone direct me to a installable gentoo iso for x86_32 1071637;1427328875;mod6;this is annoying. sorry. 1071638;1427328890;mod6;(non-live cd) 1071639;1427328915;trinque;that's how you install it 1071640;1427328921;trinque;boot the livecd then follow the handbook 1071641;1427328923;mod6;it is? 1071642;1427328925;trinque;yeah 1071643;1427328934;mod6;D: 1071644;1427328938;trinque;it's not that bad 1071645;1427328955;trinque;great way to become acquainted with the internals too 1071646;1427328989;mod6;we shuold just support slackware from floppy disks 1071647;1427328994;trinque;boot cd -> partition drive -> untar stage3 -> build kernel -> set up grub 1071648;1427328999;trinque;with some handwaving along the way 1071649;1427329020;mod6;dear lord 1071650;1427329037;mod6;if i use aws do i get to bypass this bullshit? 1071651;1427329077;trinque;mod6: these guys have their own gentoo AMIs if you trust 'em http://www.dowdandassociates.com/products/gentoo-in-the-cloud/ 1071652;1427329078;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na76JM ) 1071653;1427329092;trinque;otherwise those bootstrap instructions are in order 1071654;1427329123;jurov;mod6 what's the problem with handbook? 1071655;1427329157;mod6;i wanna just work on bitcoin, not learn the in's and out's of gentoo :P 1071656;1427329168;mod6;*sigh* 1071657;1427329175;mod6;guess i'll give it a whirl. wth. 1071658;1427329177;trinque;>linux 1071659;1427329179;trinque;>i just wanna 1071660;1427329182;trinque;lol 1071661;1427329184;mod6;*stab* 1071662;1427329187;trinque;:D 1071663;1427329191;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbcasks-debate-is-politics-broken-1.3008834 1071664;1427329192;assbot;#CBCAsks debate: Is politics broken? - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na7tUJ ) 1071665;1427329193;nubbins`;heh 1071666;1427329213;mike_c;mod6: helpful? http://www.dowdandassociates.com/products/pygoscelis-papua/ 1071667;1427329215;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoGhQd ) 1071668;1427329232;trinque;mike_c: yeh that's the one I linked 1071669;1427329262;jurov;"Starting in January 2015, we will ... cease building the 32-bit images" 1071670;1427329270;mike_c;yeah, but there are still some on there 1071671;1427329278;mike_c;from last november 1071672;1427329313;trinque;https://www.niftiestsoftware.com/2011/09/24/converting-a-virtualbox-vm-to-an-ec2-ami/ << also possible 1071673;1427329314;assbot;Converting a VirtualBox VM to an EC2 AMI | Niftiest Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoGK53 ) 1071674;1427329341;jurov;mod6 alternatively you can hire someone to configure the system *nudge* *wink* 1071675;1427329574;mircea_popescu;argentina is so musically fucking weird omg... 1071676;1427329584;mircea_popescu;they all sing the same song. they all sing the SAME SONG 1071677;1427329589;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ay6u/almost_10_more_full_nodes_since_this_morning/ 1071678;1427329590;assbot;Almost 10% more full nodes since this morning connected to the network. Over 400 more in US. Is there some sort of competition I don't know of ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoHWoX ) 1071679;1427329590;mircea_popescu;the same song. they sing it. same. song. 1071680;1427329595;nubbins`;heh! 1071681;1427329629;mircea_popescu;yeah, the competition is called "mp said the nodes are the weakest point of bitcoin, bitcoin ppls are fixing it" 1071682;1427329684;asciilifeform;what song ? 1071683;1427329776;mike_c;mircea_popescu: maybe not. could be a much dumber reason. "It's all one node just with 600 addresses. This is what happens when you fucking pay people to sybil attack the network." 1071684;1427329783;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IOGFENyGJM << 1071685;1427329785;assbot;"BRASIL DECIME QUE SE SIENTE" CON LETRA HD - "Hit" de los Hinchas Argentinos en Brasil - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na9xMA ) 1071686;1427329797;mircea_popescu;they change the words. but the song fprever the same. no matter what happens. this is the song. 1071687;1427329806;mircea_popescu;and amusingly they think it's some pop rock of the 70s. 1071688;1427329944;mircea_popescu;mike_c the notion of "counting nodes" is bizarre in the first place. 1071689;1427329953;mircea_popescu;why not count "water taps" while at it. 1071690;1427329959;nubbins`;heh 1071691;1427330015;mircea_popescu;ie, most infrastructure nodes i know of work on SOME SORT ofload balancing or othewr, necessarily thus exposing variable ips to the world etc. 1071692;1427330051;nubbins`; anyway, only counting 0.8.x and above, that's like giving a population count of every country in the world, but excluding everyone under 5 feet tall. 1071693;1427330070;nubbins`;and also only measuring the head of each household 1071694;1427330114;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9c8248cf59d3897128ba0917e70e831a/tumblr_njxlug21jx1r3tor7o1_1280.jpg 1071695;1427330115;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoKxiP ) 1071696;1427330130;nubbins`;i didn't know you were a foodie 1071697;1427330159;mike_c;do they give any justification for the version requirement? 1071698;1427330199;mircea_popescu;who they ? 1071699;1427330225;mike_c;this retarded australian 1071700;1427330234;mike_c;and/or the phoundation. 1071701;1427330275;mircea_popescu;dawg... you wanna see comedy look through the foudnation voting thing. what justification ? 1071702;1427330278;nubbins`;'cause there was totally a hard fork duod. 1071703;1427330283;nubbins`;earlier than 0.8 won't work 1071704;1427330284;nubbins`;duod 1071705;1427330284;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder they find the fridge 5 times a week 1071706;1427330320;nubbins`;because changing a config setting in a peripheral piece of software is a fork 1071707;1427330325;nubbins`;(duod) 1071708;1427330328;nubbins`;http://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/307ihi/til_that_when_a_cockroach_touches_a_human_it_runs/cpq3jky?context=3 1071709;1427330329;assbot;goosegoosegoosegoose comments on TIL that when a cockroach touches a human it runs to safety to clean itself ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoLqIc ) 1071710;1427330341;mike_c;ah, the great accident was around that version. 1071711;1427330343;nubbins`;"My husband pushes me over to the sink and shoves my head under the faucet, trying to flush it out, but every millimeter of space in my ear is full of horrific cockroach. For some reason, he pulls my pajama top off. I still ask him why, but he doesn't know. Either he didn't want my shirt to get wet, or titties." 1071712;1427330349;mod6;ok so what version of stage3 are people using from the mirror? 12.1, 12.0, 11.2... ? 1071713;1427330366;mircea_popescu;nubbins` hey, changing the world right ? like that chick changing they into whey or w/e 1071714;1427330384;mod6;jurov: lol, this is supposed be a "quick" setup and test. didn't think it'd be a three hour tour. 1071715;1427330393;mike_c;so use the ami.. 1071716;1427330394;mod6;or have to hire a captain 1071717;1427330404;mike_c;you'll be up in 5 mins. 1071718;1427330441;mod6;yah ok. fts 1071719;1427330476;nubbins`;hi marteen 1071720;1427330483;marteen;hi nubbins` :) 1071721;1427330491;nubbins`;qu'est-ce que c'est? 1071722;1427330503;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i guess some folks don't own vacuum pumps ? 1071723;1427330508;mike_c;mircea_popescu: life's too short to read the foundation forum. i flipped the bozo bit on them, no more research required :) 1071724;1427330519;nubbins`;asciilifeform vacuum + ear?! 1071725;1427330534;nubbins`;granted, her eardrum ended up getting shredded anyway. 1071726;1427330534;asciilifeform;nubbins`: not whole ear! 1071727;1427330540;asciilifeform;nubbins`: thin nozzle 1071728;1427330542;nubbins`;ah 1071729;1427330544;nubbins`;just roach ass 1071730;1427330554;nubbins`;i'm sure they had at least a turkey baster 1071731;1427330561;nubbins`;but, y'know. panic. 1071732;1427330565;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that reddit is the most retarded shit i ever read. 1071733;1427330580;nubbins`;mircea_popescu she'll have a series of novels out this year 1071734;1427330583;*;mircea_popescu got bit by viper, chick in group sucked it out the next moment, me was fine. 1071735;1427330624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. 1071736;1427330628;nubbins`;i've never been bitten by anything more exotic than fire ants 1071737;1427330628;jurov;dunno if you can get any chich to suck out the bug 1071738;1427330629;mircea_popescu;their mouths don't work. 1071739;1427330632;jurov;*chick 1071740;1427330638;mircea_popescu;jurov so the problem suddenly isn't the bug 1071741;1427330649;asciilifeform;^^^^ 1071742;1427330670;mircea_popescu;"i'll lick out his asshole but fuck take that bug away from me" 1071743;1427330688;asciilifeform;the problem, if we continue with this valuable train of thought, - is almost never the bug, per se. 1071744;1427330695;asciilifeform;it is always the available suction. 1071745;1427330700;*;trinque got ass-bit by a brown recluse once, didn't bitch as much as the story 1071746;1427330705;trinque;complete with dying flesh 1071747;1427330717;mircea_popescu;notice that the idiots in question cost an emergency call, an er visit plus an emt visit later 1071748;1427330732;mircea_popescu;plus drugs. hours out of the lives of a dozen + people, all supposedly skilled. 1071749;1427330749;mircea_popescu;this is about as sustainable as a tower of liquid piss in the shape of roosevelt's wheelchair. 1071750;1427330756;nubbins`;once, while on vacation, my mom got bitten on the face a couple times by some sort of spider 1071751;1427330764;nubbins`;got all stiff etc 1071752;1427330770;nubbins`;had to go to an AMERICAN HOSPITAL 1071753;1427330841;mircea_popescu;nubbins`> i've never been bitten by anything more exotic than fire ants << for one thing fire ants are more exotic than vipers in carpathians. for the other, i would bet a lot more painful. poor snake's drastically overhyped 1071754;1427330851;mircea_popescu;(so is scorpion, for that matter. most don't kill or anything) 1071755;1427330856;nubbins`;it def didn't tickle 1071756;1427330878;nubbins`;(on jungle walk. woman in front of me says "aah! ants!" then proceeds to try brushing them off WHERE SHE STOOD) 1071757;1427330886;mircea_popescu;europe is particularly mild on this shit. you get stung by the tiny polen wasps that live ther,e it's like... mk. 1071758;1427330888;trinque;they drained quite a bit of death out of my asscheek and thigh 1071759;1427330898;mircea_popescu;get stung by nutso us wasp o may gawd... 1071760;1427330905;trinque;I was drugged to hell, laughing about it 1071761;1427330918;asciilifeform;what's in a wasp, anyway? formic acid ? 1071762;1427330919;BingoBoingo;lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524101.msg5932326#msg5932326 1071763;1427330920;assbot;Kick-off Discussion: Existing Forum Temperature Check + Criticism ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoOfsH ) 1071764;1427330927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24260 @ 0.00024259 = 5.8852 BTC [+] 1071765;1427330965;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform depends on the wasp, but not very well known really. 1071766;1427330988;mircea_popescu;"apitoxin" is you know, one of those vinegars peterl analysed. 1071767;1427330998;nubbins`;peptides+enzymes followed by norepinephrine followed by hyaluronidase and MCDP 1071768;1427331038;mircea_popescu;some sort of quinone iirc. 1071769;1427331041;asciilifeform;speaking of vinegars, 1071770;1427331043;asciilifeform;the wine thing 1071771;1427331046;nubbins`;that is to say, enzymes and more enzymes 1071772;1427331061;asciilifeform;i think the 'wine experts' who don't get nailed by the food colouring experiment live in the same place as meta-nsa 1071773;1427331089;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know this is something that you could pleasantly research ? 1071774;1427331097;asciilifeform;(which is to say, the land of the i-can't-rule-it-out marvels) 1071775;1427331104;mircea_popescu;there's no way they don't have that shit in dc, with all the dumb money floating about. take the girl out for a wine tasting show once 1071776;1427331115;nubbins`;^ 1071777;1427331128;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was famously and publicly done not long ago, but i've misplaced the link 1071778;1427331136;nubbins`;wine tasting shows are hilarious 1071779;1427331137;asciilifeform;that was actually why i remembered. 1071780;1427331145;nubbins`;sommelier friend of mine has worked a few 1071781;1427331146;mircea_popescu;i'm not going to go as far as to say "date a french somellier chick that can actually tell you what you ate after you squirt her palate" 1071782;1427331184;asciilifeform;thing is, i'm not sure if we have 'the genuine article' sort of expert around here 1071783;1427331198;asciilifeform;not sure if the test was ever attempted in a 'serious' wine country 1071784;1427331233;mircea_popescu;so wiat, is your thesis that this doesn't exist ? or what ? 1071785;1427331240;nubbins`;asciilifeform the genuine articles are few and far between 1071786;1427331260;asciilifeform;my thesis is that i've not a clue. 1071787;1427331261;asciilifeform;l0l 1071788;1427331276;mircea_popescu;ah lol. so then my suggestion best avenue. 1071789;1427331287;asciilifeform;'It's all one node just with 600 addresses.' << ahahahaha. 1071790;1427331292;*;asciilifeform picks self up from floor 1071791;1427331294;nubbins`;asciilifeform there's 140 "master sommeliers" in usa 1071792;1427331353;nubbins`;so maybe 25-50 legit 1071793;1427331362;nubbins`;but... that aside, 1071794;1427331363;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070578 1071795;1427331363;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 15:00:24; *: nubbins` has admittedly never drunk wine costlier than $500/bottle but can verify that all the superfluous descriptors on the label are actually present 1071796;1427331379;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712152 1071797;1427331379;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2014 19:46:16; asciilifeform: the sad part is, 'cyranose' (1990s product based on an oddball solid state gas column) actually worked. 1071798;1427331385;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712153 1071799;1427331385;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2014 19:46:26; asciilifeform: locked up in patent purgatory to this day, afaik 1071800;1427331399;nubbins`;oooo 1071801;1427331400;asciilifeform;iirc works on wine 1071802;1427331405;nubbins`;that's cool 1071803;1427331409;BingoBoingo; get stung by nutso us wasp o may gawd... << There's a burrowing and colonizing Vespid species endemic here. When they nest in the yard it is time for the serious chemicals. Eradicating a nest will scar that part of the yard for years. 1071804;1427331409;asciilifeform;to the point of outputting how many days in cask of what wood 1071805;1427331433;nubbins`;great for finding food pairs! 1071806;1427331462;nubbins`;twodogland is generally free of nasty vermin 1071807;1427331469;asciilifeform;i still suspect that 'cyranose' was disappeared not only because useful in homeland severity (tm) 1071808;1427331478;nubbins`;no snakes, raccoons, skunks, venomous spiders... 1071809;1427331479;asciilifeform;but because it readily exposes fraudulent 'food' 1071810;1427331488;nubbins`;lel 1071811;1427331489;asciilifeform;if programmed appropriately 1071812;1427331492;nubbins`;scan a GMO apple 1071813;1427331493;mircea_popescu;haha 1071814;1427331499;asciilifeform;and could be manufactured for a few usd 1071815;1427331508;mircea_popescu;so next nsa product ? 1071816;1427331509;asciilifeform;(solid-state carboniferous sensor) 1071817;1427331514;nubbins`;"this isn't olive oil!" 1071818;1427331517;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right after we can make even a z80 yes 1071819;1427331532;mircea_popescu;ahak 1071820;1427331553;*;asciilifeform refers 'gmo' enthusiasts to old thread 1071821;1427331583;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827711 1071822;1427331583;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 19:19:30; asciilifeform: except - they aren't banning monsanto garbage. they're banning 'gmo.' 1071823;1427331611;nubbins`;who maintains thebitcoin.foundation website? 1071824;1427331622;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827645 1071825;1427331622;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 16:40:01; asciilifeform: once you utter 'pro-' or 'anti-gmo' you're swallowed the stupid pill. 1071826;1427331630;asciilifeform;nubbins`: iirc it was jurov 1071827;1427331640;nubbins`;jurov if this is correct, plz to small change? 1071828;1427331656;nubbins`; <<< size should be either not present, or -1 1071829;1427331659;nubbins`;dat huge text 1071830;1427331876;mod6;i do 1071831;1427331923;mod6;is that better? 1071832;1427331932;mod6;(removed the size attribute) 1071833;1427332533;mod6;ok gentoo up and running... 1071834;1427332550;mod6;building openssl first to ensure good build. 1071835;1427332750;nubbins`;mod6 perf thanks 1071836;1427332755;nubbins`;now the banner fits on my screen :D 1071837;1427332818;ben_vulpes;persnickety sob 1071838;1427332820;ben_vulpes;<3 1071839;1427332879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25808 @ 0.00022673 = 5.8514 BTC [-] 1071840;1427333100;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats 1071841;1427333104;gribble;Current Blocks: 349256 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1527 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52024434137.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.35951 1071842;1427333367;nubbins`;ben_vulpes didn't ya hear, nobody cares unless it looks good? 8) 1071843;1427333385;nubbins`;at least i suggest fixes ;D 1071844;1427333466;TheNewDeal;;;nethash 1071845;1427333467;gribble;379131327.415 1071846;1427333486;TheNewDeal;sweet hash 1071847;1427333624;ben_vulpes;y'r a dear 1071848;1427334117;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1071588 << my guess is this -> http://blockchainworkshops.org/?page_id=237 1071849;1427334117;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 23:50:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron where was this ? 1071850;1427334118;assbot;Stanford Blockchain Workshop (March 2015) ... ( http://bit.ly/19mp0d8 ) 1071851;1427334141;danielpbarron;A workshop examining the interplay between blockchain technologies, including distributed cryptoledger, and existing legal infrastructure or regulatory regimes. 1071852;1427334144;danielpbarron;The workshop will gather technologists, lawyers and entrepreneurs involved in the deployment of distributed blockchain-based applications. Topics discusses will sketch out a techno-legal framework to resolve the challenges facing applications of these technologies without hindering their distributed potential and decentralized character. 1071853;1427334246;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why no ssh in battlepogo? 1071854;1427334299;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform: why no ssh in battlepogo? << Why SSH into a machine you have physical access to? 1071855;1427334375;danielpbarron;well unless yours is adulterated, or at the very least set up for net console... 1071856;1427334510;ben_vulpes;hm. i'll read your documentation before embarrasing myself further... 1071857;1427334551;danielpbarron;it's not easy to get into the thing without ssh 1071858;1427334557;danielpbarron;requires soldering 1071859;1427334621;mod6;openssl built fine. building bdb now 1071860;1427334646;mod6;<+nubbins`> mod6 perf thanks << no prob :] 1071861;1427334677;danielpbarron;last time i tried to build bitcoind i got this far -> util.h:650:8: error: 'uint32_t' does not name a type 1071862;1427334701;mod6;hmm. i suspect this could be an environment problem... but we'll see. 1071863;1427334706;danielpbarron;for openssl i had to do the "make install_sw" thing 1071864;1427334707;mod6;*local environment problem. 1071865;1427334714;danielpbarron;yeah it probably is 1071866;1427334720;mod6;na, ididn't have to do anything different for openssl. 1071867;1427334735;danielpbarron;i stupidly put 32 bit OS on 64 bit laptop 1071868;1427334736;mod6;i just used the auto.sh (v0.0.5-32) 1071869;1427334776;mod6;bdb is going now, we'll see how it comes out 1071870;1427334809;mod6;!t m s.mpoe 1071871;1427334810;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00020725 / 0.00022638 / 0.00025392 (885376 shares, 200.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00019609 / 0.00027433 / 0.00030622 (13180647 shares, 3,615.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00019609 / 0.0003465 / 0.0004493 (80475736 shares, 27,884.94 BTC) 1071872;1427334834;mod6;!t m s.bbet 1071873;1427334834;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000065 / 0.00008962 / 0.00025 (136573 shares, 12.24 BTC) 1071874;1427334854;mod6;ok bdb built fine. 1071875;1427334857;mod6;now for boost 1071876;1427334953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00022629 = 1.9687 BTC [-] 1071877;1427335339;asciilifeform;kernel crashes. 1071878;1427335346;asciilifeform;after 10 to 40 seconds of operation. 1071879;1427335368;mod6;this your roll-ur-own one? 1071880;1427335387;asciilifeform;stock sheevaplug under buildroot 1071881;1427335389;asciilifeform;nothing cut yet 1071882;1427335396;mod6;ah 1071883;1427335446;asciilifeform;though i think i have a handle on why 1071884;1427335453;asciilifeform;hm, no 1071885;1427335460;asciilifeform;it wasn't the ill-fated sandisk sata flash. 1071886;1427335512;asciilifeform;dies like clockwork 1071887;1427335517;asciilifeform;i suspect a watchdog timer 1071888;1427335517;mod6;:( 1071889;1427335527;asciilifeform;there is nothing random about this crash. 1071890;1427335542;mod6;this aws "small" is so much slower than "medium" 1071891;1427335560;nubbins`;a timer! 1071892;1427335624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00022633 = 2.6933 BTC [+] 1071893;1427335627;asciilifeform;nubbins`: classic cause of predictable and rapid death on embedded boxes 1071894;1427335642;asciilifeform;nubbins`: normally a register where you have to flip a bit every S seconds or power cycled 1071895;1427335655;nubbins`;sabotage 1071896;1427335661;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i don't know for a fact that this is happening here. just a hunch 1071897;1427335667;asciilifeform;based on working with many similar systems before. 1071898;1427335686;asciilifeform;watchdogs aren't evil, they are a sad necessity in the world of typical c programmers 1071899;1427335707;asciilifeform;or would you like to reboot your car's ecu manually. 1071900;1427335786;asciilifeform;nothing printed on system log 1071901;1427335789;asciilifeform;so not a panic 1071902;1427335950;mod6;hardware problem? 1071903;1427335953;asciilifeform;nope 1071904;1427335970;BingoBoingo; or would you like to reboot your car's ecu manually. << Plenty of people do to cars what you do to pogos 1071905;1427335971;asciilifeform;this box is iron-stable running other items 1071906;1427336053;nubbins`;this is vanilla 3.18 you're using? 1071907;1427336062;asciilifeform;3.18.1 1071908;1427336074;asciilifeform;with whatever patches buildroot applies for kirkwood 1071909;1427336079;asciilifeform;haven't read it all yet 1071910;1427336195;asciilifeform;dies in 30.00 seconds of reset 1071911;1427336198;asciilifeform;like fucking clock. 1071912;1427336266;nubbins`;https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/linux/3.18.3-1~exp1 1071913;1427336267;assbot;3.18.3-1~exp1 : linux package : Debian ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAk0gL ) 1071914;1427336270;nubbins`;maybe not relevant 1071915;1427336279;nubbins`;"[armel/kirkwood]: Enable DEBUG_MVEBU_UART_ALTERNATE to match the behaviour 1071916;1427336279;nubbins`; of previous boardfile based kirkwood kernels. Otherwise the kernel silently 1071917;1427336279;nubbins`; crashes during boot." 1071918;1427336290;nubbins`;ugh. sry 1071919;1427336316;asciilifeform;it doesn't die during boot 1071920;1427336325;asciilifeform;if you're quick on your feet, you get some console time 1071921;1427336363;asciilifeform;(i built it with rootfs cemented in kernel just as a quick test, to avoid having to flash the nand. i have kernel load from lan via tftp for tests. with rootfs and all contents, it is around 21M.) 1071922;1427336382;asciilifeform;but this is pretty obviously a mishandled timer 1071923;1427336610;asciilifeform;'drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0)' during boot 1071924;1427336624;asciilifeform;dollars to doughnuts it ends up switching on the watchdog countdown. 1071925;1427336635;asciilifeform;while trying to init the rtc 1071926;1427336654;decimation;re: wine > I took a class on winetasting in undergrad 1071927;1427336665;decimation;my perception is that there is some science to it, but it's mostly bs 1071928;1427336678;asciilifeform;http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf << ye olde manual 1071929;1427336682;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1980b4w ) 1071930;1427336685;asciilifeform;pp. 368 table 117 1071931;1427336705;decimation;at least, the tasting and the 'valuation' seem to be disconnected 1071932;1427336731;asciilifeform;(and no, it is not available in any format other than pdf, nor is it remotely readable if put through garbage compactor and turned into text, fucking deal with it) 1071933;1427336772;asciilifeform;decimation: when you get above the 'recycled piss' price point, i suspect the 'valuation' is 100% 'veblen good.' 1071934;1427336816;decimation;asciilifeform: aye, agreed. 1071935;1427336839;decimation;which is why argentina and chile are good places to find deals on reds 1071936;1427336983;decimation;particularly malbec 1071937;1427337015;mod6;ok 1071938;1427337034;mod6;bitcoind builds statically on gentoo with auto.sh (v0.0.5-32) 1071939;1427337038;decimation;asciilifeform: if marvell are so keen on supporting 'open source' devel, why don't they support a proper kernel build? 1071940;1427337062;mod6;there are some different warnings than i've seen before though. i'll rebuild the entire thing again for good measure and use `script` to record the build. 1071941;1427337068;mod6;hang tight. 1071942;1427337071;asciilifeform;decimation: they think their 2.6.something built with proprietary (segger?) buildatron is 'open source' 1071943;1427337102;decimation;heh 1071944;1427337102;asciilifeform;i dropped the link to that turd here. can go and see for yourself 1071945;1427337121;decimation;the problem with open source is that the source code might as well be on mars if nobody can read/use it 1071946;1427337245;decimation;to be fair, I guess neither intel nor amd 'support' linux 1071947;1427337258;decimation;except they probably both have staff working fulltime on the upstream kernel 1071948;1427337297;PeterL;http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/25/house-passes-bill-make-hunting-harrassing-hunters-drone-crime/70441434/ << darn, I was looking forward to taking a deer with a quadcopter :( 1071949;1427337299;assbot;Michigan legislation would make using drones to hunt or harass hunters a crime ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAmhbS ) 1071950;1427337389;decimation;lol 'harass hunter' with a quadcopter 1071951;1427337393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00022629 = 3.7677 BTC [-] 1071952;1427337407;PeterL;"The Michigan Department of Natural Resources hasn't received any complaints of hunters using a drone or getting harassed by a drone" << my representatives, hard at work solving problems they just invented 1071953;1427337430;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/03/changtip-hire-bitcoin-subreddit-moderator/ << Mega lol 1071954;1427337430;assbot;ChangeTip Hires Bitcoin Subreddit Moderator | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BpUB5B ) 1071955;1427337435;decimation;why does this even need to be a law? isn't it obvious that if a flying object is 'harassing' you while you are armed, the proper answer is to shoot it? 1071956;1427337536;BingoBoingo;decimation: Depends on what you are armed with. Shooting with shotgun fine. Proper rifle... Hard to tell when/where bullet is coming down after impact. 1071957;1427337555;decimation;well, that's a fair point 1071958;1427337563;mod6;ok one last thing before I rebuild... I needed to add the "-nodnsseed" to bitcoind upon start up otherwise it would just start and exit without doing anything 1071959;1427337569;mod6;but now i've >10000 blocks 1071960;1427337621;PeterL;sounds like a great new sport, like skeet shooting, but the target can move in any direction, just need to make a drone that is either so cheap it's disposable or which can withstand shotgun hits 1071961;1427337677;BingoBoingo;Cheap to the point of disposable is prolly the better avenue 1071962;1427337716;decimation;actually this raises an interesting jurisdictional problem - the faa claims jurisdiction over all airspace above 0 feet 1071963;1427337729;decimation;how can the state of michigan regulate interstate commerce? 1071964;1427337737;decimation;after all, the fcc claims to regulate your wifi 1071965;1427337754;decimation;via the same interstate commerce clause 1071966;1427337857;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, "ChangeTip BashCo" needs a comma? 1071967;1427337891;BingoBoingo;fxd 1071968;1427337915;danielpbarron;i wonder if that's the dude who banned me 1071969;1427338015;BingoBoingo;Hard to say 1071970;1427338166;nubbins`;well til what a watchdog timer is 1071971;1427338179;nubbins`;asciilifeform the unit's got an rtc tho, it's just not seeing it? 1071972;1427338306;asciilifeform;nubbins`: sees, fails to init 1071973;1427338318;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i have no evidence that the two events are connected. mere suspicion. 1071974;1427338361;nubbins`;k 1071975;1427338382;nubbins`;https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=250166#p250166 1071976;1427338383;assbot;Pogoplug Mobile hardware support and device tree effort (Page 1) — Hardware Hacking — OpenWrt ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAoDr9 ) 1071977;1427338385;nubbins`;not sure if helpful 1071978;1427338414;nubbins`;does list watchdog timer 1071979;1427338613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25241 @ 0.00022629 = 5.7118 BTC [-] {3} 1071980;1427338686;BingoBoingo;www.bnd.com/2015/03/25/3731183/us-steel-to-temporarily-close.html << js paywall easy circumvention 1071981;1427338775;BingoBoingo;http://www.bnd.com/2015/03/25/3731341/highland-man-turns-salvaged-copper.html << Complimentary lol "“My hands still have calluses from using No. 18 Weiss shear scissors to cut galvanized sheets to form gutters,” he said. “...You couldn’t afford a gutter today the way we made them.” 1071982;1427338776;assbot;Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1BpZqM5 ) 1071983;1427338932;asciilifeform;nubbins`: it's supported in the kernel i'm testing 1071984;1427338938;asciilifeform;which may well be the root of the problem 1071985;1427338953;asciilifeform;presently testing a build with this crap removed with hot iron 1071986;1427339020;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron oh i c. stanford technologees! 1071987;1427339124;asciilifeform;decimation: after 'wickard v. filburn', usg gained - perfectly legally - the power to regulate how many shits we may take per week 1071988;1427339137;asciilifeform;on account of this, possibly, having an effect on 'interstate commerce.' 1071989;1427339224;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071933 << what'd that pricepoint be ? 1071990;1427339224;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 02:26:12; asciilifeform: decimation: when you get above the 'recycled piss' price point, i suspect the 'valuation' is 100% 'veblen good.' 1071991;1427339238;mircea_popescu;romania has (had ?) some exceptional wines at 5-10 dollars a bottle. 1071992;1427339240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: varies by locale 1071993;1427339243;mircea_popescu;aha. 1071994;1427339262;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when i say 'above recycled piss pricepoint' it means getting squarely above the 'for the poor' product category in usa 1071995;1427339267;asciilifeform;which exists from wine to shoelaces 1071996;1427339300;mircea_popescu;i broadly agree, but imo veblen-ness behaves strangely, as in : window. from about 100 to maybe 5 or 10k a bottle. 1071997;1427339310;mircea_popescu;there's a very proper middle, there's good reason to pay 80 rather than 15. 1071998;1427339319;*;asciilifeform can believe 1071999;1427339321;mircea_popescu;there's a very proper top. there's a good reason to pay 850k 1072000;1427339339;asciilifeform;what reason ? 1072001;1427339347;asciilifeform;that item is now a 'rembrandt' and can be authenticated ? 1072002;1427339351;mircea_popescu;yup. 1072003;1427339362;asciilifeform;for an archaeological artifact - sure. 1072004;1427339370;asciilifeform;but drinking your artifact is lunacy. 1072005;1427339375;mircea_popescu;(this perhaps easily conglimerated with veblen - but is not same. 1072006;1427339386;*;asciilifeform knows that it is not the same 1072007;1427339395;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform similar phenomenon with virgin slavegirls. 1072008;1427339399;asciilifeform;a 'rembrandt' here is simply an analogue bitcoin. 1072009;1427339403;mircea_popescu;slavegirl either lost virginity around 15 or 20. 1072010;1427339442;mircea_popescu;in the saner 17-18 yo middle, notmany.jpg 1072011;1427339589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00022633 = 4.8321 BTC [+] 1072012;1427339638;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071949 << the importnat part there is the 2nd clause. im sure buncha idiot nerds were becoming a pain. 1072013;1427339638;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 02:34:59; assbot: Michigan legislation would make using drones to hunt or harass hunters a crime ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAmhbS ) 1072014;1427339651;mircea_popescu;otherwise, hunting from flight already soundly illegal. 1072015;1427339730;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it occurs to me, that shavers character is like out of a novel. first he gets a civil supoena that he doens't ignore. then he self represents. and doesn't do homework. then he loses the suit. civil suit. he loses it. then he pleads not guilty in criminal proceedings. 1072016;1427339737;asciilifeform;hell, in usa electronically setting off the shell is banned 1072017;1427339746;mircea_popescu;someone needs to tell him this civil-criminal thing is as close as it gets to double jeopardy in the us 1072018;1427339756;mircea_popescu;and preserved deliberately - to fuck up... well, basically, him. 1072019;1427339756;BingoBoingo;It really is 1072020;1427339810;BingoBoingo;Then again the major reason to retain an attorney in the us is to avoid spam 1072021;1427339826;mircea_popescu;how exactly is this strat supposed to go : i couldn't make the "preponderence of evidence" standard but i'll make the "absolute proof" ? 1072022;1427339852;mircea_popescu;"The average tip amount across all platforms is has fallen to ~$0.91, while the average tip amount on reddit is only ~$0.37… we can do better!" 1072023;1427339855;mircea_popescu;and PART TIME. 1072024;1427339862;mircea_popescu;incredibly cheap, these clay footed giants. 1072025;1427339932;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> how exactly is this strat supposed to go : i couldn't make the "preponderence of evidence" standard but i'll make the "absolute proof" ? << That or make preponderance of evidence standard use as proof in criminal case 1072026;1427339936;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071956 << drone meets buckshot tho... almost worth doing just to film it 1072027;1427339936;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 02:38:56; BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on what you are armed with. Shooting with shotgun fine. Proper rifle... Hard to tell when/where bullet is coming down after impact. 1072028;1427339958;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo but the usg (through usg->da) has already evaluated that 1072029;1427339970;asciilifeform;just to film it << the chinese filmed it recently 1072030;1427339973;mircea_popescu;you basing yourself on the theory usg->judge will != usg->da ? 1072031;1427339975;asciilifeform;(link in log somewhere) 1072032;1427340035;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071960 << "withstand" is pretty fuckin dangerous. 1072033;1427340035;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 02:40:21; PeterL: sounds like a great new sport, like skeet shooting, but the target can move in any direction, just need to make a drone that is either so cheap it's disposable or which can withstand shotgun hits 1072034;1427340038;asciilifeform;and for the type of flying machine normally encountered, 'birdshot' ought to suffice 1072035;1427340046;mircea_popescu;best way to lose an eye is shoot shotguns at armored targets. 1072036;1427340048;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Oh my strategy? I retain lawyers because it forces opposition to route annoying phone calls through attorney 1072037;1427340057;mircea_popescu;not yours lol. his. 1072038;1427340072;BingoBoingo;Ah 1072039;1427340226;BingoBoingo;Consider the example of a US bankruptcy case. You can cheaply and easily represent yourself if indigent, however you have to handle communications with all of the debtors, or... You scrape together enough to retain an attorney who has a process for handling that annoyance and also retain your sanity. 1072040;1427340267;decimation;re: wine < yeah my perception is that > $10-15 is generally good. more expensive wines are also good, but there are loads of pretenders trying to get by on geography 1072041;1427340303;decimation; once had an excellent german trockenbeernauslese for $50 and it was worth every penny 1072042;1427340309;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo or you could just pipe awk through sed 1072043;1427340314;BingoBoingo;But the shavers strategy seems to be only notable in the sense he pulled off a mega fraud in a space which at the time was especially gullible and vulnerable to mega fraud. 1072044;1427340321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33227 @ 0.00022613 = 7.5136 BTC [-] {3} 1072045;1427340343;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo or you could just pipe awk through sed << Hard on the phone. 1072046;1427340354;mircea_popescu;you're not required to communicate via phone are you ? 1072047;1427340361;mircea_popescu;what's this, mandatory webcam bankruptcy court ? 1072048;1427340392;nubbins`;building cross-compile toolchain is slo-o-o-o-o-o-ow 1072049;1427340392;BingoBoingo;USia, seriously messed up in the things people expect, legally 1072050;1427340470;decimation;bankruptcy without debtor's prison is just silly 1072051;1427340503;trinque;as is debtors prison without real money 1072052;1427340511;decimation;heh good point 1072053;1427340518;asciilifeform;usaschwitz is a gigantic open-air debtor's prison already. 1072054;1427340522;nubbins`;debtor's prison = university 1072055;1427340529;nubbins`;they make you go first, before you owe the money 1072056;1427340537;mircea_popescu;i dunno, nubbins`. it'd be a lot better if the tit knew it's caged. 1072057;1427340549;mircea_popescu;kinda what i like about eastern european campuses. 1072058;1427340553;mircea_popescu;the tit doth know. 1072059;1427340572;nubbins`;the tit abides 1072060;1427340702;decimation;mircea_popescu: have you found any particularly good south american wines? 1072061;1427340737;mircea_popescu;nope. i've found plenty perfectly acceptable tho. 1072062;1427340745;mircea_popescu;actually, finding a bad one's more challenging. 1072063;1427340762;decimation;yeah I've never been disappointed in random $10 malbec from chile/ar 1072064;1427340776;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA0W9GXUcAAch26.jpg 1072065;1427340777;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvIC06 ) 1072066;1427340812;mircea_popescu;i tihnk that;s pretty much it. 1072067;1427340830;mircea_popescu;honestly, i wouldn't expect exceptional out of vineyards that aren;t even 500 years old. 1072068;1427340838;mircea_popescu;but they do get the reasonable down pat. 1072069;1427340870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7801 @ 0.00022581 = 1.7615 BTC [-] {2} 1072070;1427340921;decimation;heh. of course many of those french vineyards were decimated by the phylloxera plague 1072071;1427340944;mircea_popescu;doesn't really matter. terroir's terroir.. 1072072;1427340955;mircea_popescu;people know wtf this is. etc. 1072073;1427340962;nubbins`;whoops. dat make clean. 1072074;1427340998;decimation;mircea_popescu: yes, indeed it is 1072075;1427341029;decimation;bourdeaux has been overpriced by chinese bezzlars, but it is also legitimately fine tasting 1072076;1427341116;mircea_popescu;also somewhat of an aquired taste. 1072077;1427341223;decimation;for folks who are dubious about the specifics, you can generally pick out particular flavors on the 'flavor wheel' like one shown here: http://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/wine-topics/wine-educational-questions/davis-aroma-wheel/ 1072078;1427341224;assbot;Wine Aroma Wheel from UC Davis ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxbeRC ) 1072079;1427341392;mircea_popescu;srsly, vinegar, alcohol and sulphur dioxide in the same box ? 1072080;1427341397;mircea_popescu;mkay... nm. 1072081;1427341461;decimation;cabernet sauvignon (one of the bordeaux grapes) often has a tobacco flavor for instance 1072082;1427341509;decimation;the impressive thing really is that the knowledgeable winemaker can bring out so many different flavors with just grapes, yeast, toasted oak, and time 1072083;1427341514;mircea_popescu;"tobacco flavour" is kinda like "beautiful woman looks", but hey 1072084;1427341536;mircea_popescu;it's not really like carving. it's farming. 1072085;1427341624;decimation;farming and processing 1072086;1427341981;asciilifeform;'What is the cause of a corked wine? The culprit is usually one of two reasons, TCA, which is short for 2, 4,6 Trichloroanisole. TCA is a type of fungus that occurs naturally. Because TCA is a natural fungi present in the bark of the cork tree, it can be easily be taken into the cork.' << who wants to kill something after reading this 1072087;1427342029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00022717 = 4.8842 BTC [+] {2} 1072088;1427342058;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069941 << I can recieve and store pallet; have access to dock plate / forklift / pallet jack / etc 1072089;1427342058;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 05:12:04; mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you store a pellet ? 1072090;1427342125;mircea_popescu;o.O 1072091;1427342150;mircea_popescu;cool, but meanwhoile the pellet seemed dudsy 1072092;1427342204;danielpbarron;for future reference if the right unit comes up 1072093;1427342210;nubbins`;i read it as pallet earlier. i can store pellets. 1072094;1427342256;danielpbarron;at 2 USD per, that's still a great deal 1072095;1427342263;danielpbarron;the blue unit is very nice too 1072096;1427342263;asciilifeform;was. 1072097;1427342313;nubbins`;wonder if "national liquidation" selling em on amazon would cut a deal 1072098;1427342337;nubbins`;probably no huge incentive for them to 1072099;1427342354;danielpbarron;not with the sudden surge of people buying "crates" of them 1072100;1427342410;danielpbarron;wow that thing went for 400 ?? that's probably what it cost to ship them 1072101;1427342460;danielpbarron;oh only 100 units, that's hardly a pallet 1072102;1427342698;nubbins`;nope 1072103;1427342706;nubbins`;those were open-box too 1072104;1427342758;asciilifeform;were. 1072105;1427342770;asciilifeform;srsly this is a mighty long thread about a dead'n'gone item 1072106;1427342774;nubbins`;:D 1072107;1427342799;nubbins`;people are still talking about the ussr 8) 1072108;1427342826;asciilifeform;that's different - lenin lives forever (TM) l0l 1072109;1427342826;nubbins`;i just sent the liquidators a message, we'll see 1072110;1427343005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00022568 = 2.0988 BTC [-] 1072111;1427343123;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform its more about sorting out logistics imo 1072112;1427343174;asciilifeform;aha then 1072113;1427343208;*;asciilifeform still trying to build a kernel without wdt 1072114;1427343371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00023592 = 5.7682 BTC [+] {2} 1072115;1427343373;asciilifeform;(not as simple as merely disabling it in config, 'buildroot' is very particular re: how it reads layers of configs) 1072116;1427343397;asciilifeform;done. 1072117;1427343404;asciilifeform;now... 1072118;1427343424;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/fcfb1d8283bdbd71d50896fb45a81f9f/tumblr_ngnq0hPBx31qfz2j8o1_500.jpg 1072119;1427343425;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpJ9wh ) 1072120;1427343437;asciilifeform;.... 1072121;1427343446;asciilifeform;ticktocktick... 1072122;1427343463;asciilifeform;not dead yet.. 1072123;1427343480;mircea_popescu;poor africa. 1072124;1427343491;asciilifeform;methinks i nailed it. 1072125;1427343495;nubbins`;woo! 1072126;1427343515;asciilifeform;(see thread for wtf a watchdog timer is and how i knew to look for it) 1072127;1427343548;asciilifeform;i do so wonder what kinda joker initialized it AND LEFT IT ON 1072128;1427343698;nubbins`;who let the watchdog out ;/ 1072129;1427343705;asciilifeform;6813dfeaa3b1412501acd64c06042cdf9854a44296b529a226c624455085943e1f0ab15580f764abede77b07a4fd162227fc7a9095d21673a078f11a000c0e7e turdel-with-rootfs.gz 1072130;1427343744;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel-with-rootfs.gz 1072131;1427343752;asciilifeform;^ this can be booted into for lulz 1072132;1427343761;asciilifeform;root pw is '' 1072133;1427343775;asciilifeform;no rootfs partition is needed as i crammed it in 1072134;1427343781;asciilifeform;contains basic utils 1072135;1427343789;mircea_popescu;lol 1072136;1427343790;mircea_popescu;who! wohwho 1072137;1427343831;nubbins`;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/03/25/1917255/radioshack-puts-customer-data-up-for-sale-in-bankruptcy-auction 1072138;1427343833;assbot;RadioShack Puts Customer Data Up For Sale In Bankruptcy Auction - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpL4kr ) 1072139;1427343837;asciilifeform;i forgot to include sata 1072140;1427343840;asciilifeform;will do that tomorrow 1072141;1427343848;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-x86_32-bitcoind-static.txt 1072142;1427343849;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpL9og ) 1072143;1427343857;mod6;danielpbarron: ^^^ 1072144;1427343863;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1072145;1427343881;asciilifeform;after turdel/kernel is nailed down, i will post deterministic build for it 1072146;1427343888;asciilifeform;starting with a particular checkout of 'buildroot' 1072147;1427343892;asciilifeform;and buncha diffs 1072148;1427343896;asciilifeform;same as i did for, well, the rest 1072149;1427343897;nubbins`;rad, i'll be trying this 1072150;1427343911;nubbins`;so this all fits in nand? 1072151;1427343912;asciilifeform;the idea in my mind is to eventually have the whole shebang build from buildroot 1072152;1427343928;asciilifeform;nubbins`: <5MB total 1072153;1427343933;*;nubbins` claps 1072154;1427343938;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this is kernel and all userland 1072155;1427343945;nubbins`;amazing 1072156;1427343945;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1072157;1427343945;asciilifeform;obviously no bitcoind in there, yet 1072158;1427343954;asciilifeform;nothing esp. astonishing here 1072159;1427343955;nubbins`;step at a time 1072160;1427343962;asciilifeform;this is about how big a non-developer's linux ought to be 1072161;1427343989;danielpbarron;Welcome to Buildroot 1072162;1427343989;danielpbarron;buildroot login: root 1072163;1427343989;danielpbarron;# 1072164;1427343997;asciilifeform;try dmesg 1072165;1427343998;asciilifeform;and top 1072166;1427343999;asciilifeform;etc. 1072167;1427344014;danielpbarron;neato 1072168;1427344015;asciilifeform;most of the comforts of home, are there. 1072169;1427344072;asciilifeform;i'ma leave it running overnight 1072170;1427344088;danielpbarron;i can do that too if it helps 1072171;1427344089;mod6;cool! 1072172;1427344090;asciilifeform;in case there are other clock surprises 1072173;1427344099;danielpbarron;i should unplug the serial connector though right? 1072174;1427344102;asciilifeform;why? 1072175;1427344108;danielpbarron;you said it overheats? 1072176;1427344113;asciilifeform;wai wat ?!! 1072177;1427344117;mod6;danielpbarron: and yah, im pulling blocks, need -nodnsseed though 1072178;1427344121;asciilifeform;never said any such thing 1072179;1427344128;asciilifeform;if heatsink is removed - yes, overheats 1072180;1427344131;asciilifeform;but why remove it 1072181;1427344142;asciilifeform;my serial cable goes right through the closed case 1072182;1427344146;asciilifeform;i didn't even drill the latter 1072183;1427344150;asciilifeform;just sorta crushed it in there 1072184;1427344167;danielpbarron;ohh 1072185;1427344171;danielpbarron;you meant the pogo board 1072186;1427344172;mod6;ok im gonna shutdown this aws instance. 1072187;1427344186;danielpbarron;yeah i reclosed my unit 1072188;1427344186;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: feel free to screw the box shut 1072189;1427344187;asciilifeform;aha 1072190;1427344200;asciilifeform;so no reason to unplug the serial cable, ever 1072191;1427344215;asciilifeform;i have no idea how anyone could have gotten the notion that this causes overheating 1072192;1427344271;danielpbarron;overheating of the serial adapter, not the pogo 1072193;1427344278;danielpbarron;but clearly i misunderstood you 1072194;1427344279;asciilifeform;wat?!?!! 1072195;1427344298;asciilifeform;can't even imagine how chinese that adapter would have to be 1072196;1427344302;asciilifeform;to ever begin to overheat 1072197;1427344316;danielpbarron;!b 5 1072198;1427344317;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TKX3SN.txt ) 1072199;1427344368;danielpbarron;just had this show up: 1072200;1427344372;danielpbarron;# random: nonblocking pool is initialized 1072201;1427344374;nubbins`;heh. 1072202;1427344395;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i must remind you - and everyone else here - that pogo has no rng. 1072203;1427344397;asciilifeform;none at all 1072204;1427344401;asciilifeform;not even a very bad one. 1072205;1427344403;nubbins`;ok, sorry, this turdel, what am i doing with it once gunzipped? 1072206;1427344414;asciilifeform;nubbins`: it's a kernel 1072207;1427344421;asciilifeform;you can boot a pogo with it 1072208;1427344429;danielpbarron;can it be used with net console? 1072209;1427344454;asciilifeform;doesn't dhcp by default, so no 1072210;1427344507;asciilifeform;i just tested the nic 1072211;1427344508;danielpbarron;i don't think mine does dhcp and still works 1072212;1427344513;asciilifeform;nic works 1072213;1427344521;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: odd 1072214;1427344530;danielpbarron;i don't mean now that it's booted 1072215;1427344534;danielpbarron;imean in uboot 1072216;1427344541;asciilifeform;i didn't change the uboot 1072217;1427344543;danielpbarron;setenv serverip 192... 1072218;1427344543;asciilifeform;dear glub 1072219;1427344552;danielpbarron;yeah i know, i mean whatever thing i put on it 1072220;1427344553;asciilifeform;uboot is in a separate nand partition 1072221;1427344559;asciilifeform;i didn't touch it 1072222;1427344575;asciilifeform;what i put up just now as turdel-with-rootfs is just a kernel 1072223;1427344582;asciilifeform;i don't even flash these in, booting from lan 1072224;1427344589;danielpbarron;same 1072225;1427344590;asciilifeform;or probably would've worn out my nand already 1072226;1427344601;danielpbarron;i mean that i had previously flashed in a different uboot 1072227;1427344609;asciilifeform;and booting arch every time i do a build would be retarded 1072228;1427344610;danielpbarron;one that lets me set a serverip 1072229;1427344615;asciilifeform;ah 1072230;1427344623;asciilifeform;but that normally doesn't get you past the kernel jump-in 1072231;1427344627;danielpbarron;as it boots it says "so and so is alive' 1072232;1427344636;asciilifeform;after that it goes straight out ttyS0 1072233;1427344687;asciilifeform;so danielpbarron's 'works' does not mean logging in through netconsole ? 1072234;1427344690;asciilifeform;as in, to the shell 1072235;1427344710;danielpbarron;i have not tried with the thing you just made 1072236;1427344715;asciilifeform;aha 1072237;1427344717;asciilifeform;ok more logical 1072238;1427344721;asciilifeform;don't expect that to work 1072239;1427344735;asciilifeform;this turdel is strictly for folks with serial ports 1072240;1427344781;asciilifeform;barring any other peculiar surprises, we have a linux kernel that builds for pogo, and runs there 1072241;1427344788;asciilifeform;and an elementary userland to go with it 1072242;1427344797;asciilifeform;('busybox'-based) 1072243;1427344818;asciilifeform;weights slightly under 5MB but can be cut a bit 1072244;1427344823;asciilifeform;*weighs 1072245;1427344839;danielpbarron;trying now 1072246;1427344858;danielpbarron;oh i see what you mean 1072247;1427344866;danielpbarron;i remember why this didn't work with the netbsd one 1072248;1427344901;danielpbarron;what is the point of netcat then? 1072249;1427344905;asciilifeform;which 'this' 1072250;1427344951;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: the point of the console-over-netcat was strictly to be able to screw with u-boot (adjust boot device, etc.) without having the serial port 1072251;1427344981;danielpbarron;ah 1072252;1427344992;danielpbarron;ok nevermind, nubbins` learn to solder 1072253;1427345014;asciilifeform;this won't be an issue for much longer 1072254;1427345046;asciilifeform;i'ma fix it so it grabs a dhcp addr. tomorrow. 1072255;1427345073;danielpbarron;i feel a lot more confident to write documentation on that now 1072256;1427345078;asciilifeform;btw this is not what the proper kernel will look like 1072257;1427345083;danielpbarron;i was really confused about netcat to be honest 1072258;1427345086;asciilifeform;because linux supports the nand just fine 1072259;1427345094;asciilifeform;and there is no reason to clutter up the precious ram 1072260;1427345097;asciilifeform;with crap 1072261;1427345112;asciilifeform;userland (incl. bitcoind) will live in nand 1072262;1427345131;asciilifeform;right now they're stuffed in the kernel proper 1072263;1427345164;asciilifeform;when all of this makes sense - i'll post the diff. 1072264;1427345170;danielpbarron;well i'll also leave mine on overnight 1072265;1427345186;danielpbarron;oh btw, what color is the light on yours? 1072266;1427345191;asciilifeform;yellow 1072267;1427345211;danielpbarron;i was gonna call it orange 1072268;1427345214;asciilifeform;this simply means the bicolor is on 1072269;1427345217;asciilifeform;as in, both bits set 1072270;1427345219;danielpbarron;yeah 1072271;1427345224;danielpbarron;it's not green and not red 1072272;1427345244;asciilifeform;laugh, but this also must be fixed 1072273;1427345257;asciilifeform;it'll be most people's only interface to their nodes... 1072274;1427345267;danielpbarron;my arch pogos have working lights 1072275;1427345279;danielpbarron;they are green 24/7 1072276;1427345281;danielpbarron;lol 1072277;1427345298;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: do you remember how to toggle them ? 1072278;1427345303;danielpbarron;no 1072279;1427345320;danielpbarron;i think it's in the debian instructions nubbins` found 1072280;1427345350;danielpbarron;#set archNumber and machid (for LED) 1072281;1427345351;danielpbarron;/tmp/fw_setenv arcNumber 3960 1072282;1427345351;danielpbarron;/tmp/fw_setenv machid F78 1072283;1427345419;asciilifeform;^ this doesn't do anything unless your kernel looks for these numbers 1072284;1427345778;felipelalli;Hi! I'd like to update this page: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots to add assbot and deedbot- how can I create an user in this wiki? Thank you. 1072285;1427345779;assbot;irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1EGTQ9f ) 1072286;1427345900;danielpbarron;;;later tell kakobrekla ^ and me too plz 1072287;1427345901;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1072288;1427346421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00022578 = 5.0349 BTC [-] {3} 1072289;1427347330;felipelalli;Let me ask: about Bitcoin OTC WoT or Assbot, there is a public API where I can navigate in all database? Or just trough the irc commands? I want to make a "rank" similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/PageRanks-Example.svg 1072290;1427347331;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzIDzm ) 1072291;1427348054;nubbins`;prolly should have tested tftp before setting it first in the boot order on the pogo 1072292;1427348063;nubbins`;i guess this is as good a time as any to call it a night 1072293;1427349553;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1072294;1427349654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24832 @ 0.00022652 = 5.6249 BTC [+] {3} 1072295;1427349764;Vexual;ohimjust here for the plonk data 1072296;1427349802;Vexual;i heard cork, bordeaux 2 euro, 1072297;1427349847;Vexual;might have to buy this pogo thing too 1072298;1427349867;mircea_popescu;dude asciilifeform talking to danielpbarron is breaking my stack. same length names! 1072299;1427350188;Vexual;hey popescue, two bottle of wine, one better than the other, which do you drink first? 1072300;1427350315;mircea_popescu;the other. 1072301;1427350339;Vexual;same 1072302;1427350495;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072204 << it has just as good a one as normal pc : ethernet board 1072303;1427350495;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 04:33:21; asciilifeform: not even a very bad one. 1072304;1427350692;mircea_popescu;felipelalli yes you can query it with curl. it spits out json if you append json to any dir 1072305;1427350715;mircea_popescu;see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1072306;1427350716;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2qvKF ) 1072307;1427351607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16384 @ 0.00022509 = 3.6879 BTC [-] 1072308;1427351694;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1072309;1427351789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00021915 = 2.1915 BTC [-] {2} 1072310;1427351877;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI 1072311;1427351939;Vexual;portlands changed 1072312;1427351991;Vexual;i guess that what parole is 1072313;1427352023;Vexual;;;lasercats 1072314;1427352023;gribble;Error: "lasercats" is not a valid command. 1072315;1427352036;Vexual;my eyes! 1072316;1427352406;Vexual;fuck if you cant bankruot without a name change tho 1072317;1427352800;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGLx4zzMdRA 1072318;1427353187;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiZF7-hSGWA 1072319;1427354473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4571 @ 0.00022453 = 1.0263 BTC [+] 1072320;1427355449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00021695 = 10.4136 BTC [-] {3} 1072321;1427356620;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ay6u/almost_10_more_full_nodes_since_this_morning/cpr6f6t?context=3 1072322;1427356622;assbot;fluffyponyza comments on Almost 10% more full nodes since this morning connected to the network. Over 400 more in US. Is there some sort of competition I don't know of ? ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAZ4GA ) 1072323;1427356791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7462 @ 0.0002159 = 1.611 BTC [-] 1072324;1427359109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17714 @ 0.0001694 = 3.0008 BTC [-] 1072325;1427362403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00017002 = 5.3726 BTC [+] {3} 1072326;1427363257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12109 @ 0.00016632 = 2.014 BTC [-] 1072327;1427365331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00016632 = 1.8295 BTC [-] 1072328;1427366245;mats;ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu 1072329;1427366915;jurov;http://cs-people.bu.edu/heilman/eclipse/ 1072330;1427366915;assbot;Eclipse Attacks on Bitcoin’s Peer-to-Peer Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1EH849Y ) 1072331;1427366917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6805 @ 0.00016581 = 1.1283 BTC [-] {2} 1072332;1427366923;jurov;hi mats 1072333;1427367064;davout;mats: this seems to be supporting mp's thing "bitcoin can only work over gossipd" 1072334;1427367327;mats;hi friends 1072335;1427370833;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/30d28r/bitcoin_floundation_moves_to_dilute_the_bitcoin/ jus' for fun 1072336;1427370834;assbot;Bitcoin Floundation Moves To Dilute The Bitcoin Brand : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19TCzSE ) 1072337;1427371411;davout;jurov: buttcoin is best coin 1072338;1427371430;davout;gotta make fun of the neckbeard pesos 1072339;1427371865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20953 @ 0.00014884 = 3.1186 BTC [-] 1072340;1427372189;davout;wow 1072341;1427372194;davout;S.MPOE freefall 1072342;1427372224;davout;;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like someone has locked S.MPOE's cockpit from the inside! 1072343;1427372225;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1072344;1427372312;mike_c;still at 36 pe. it's getting into "value" range now with 3% divs. 1072345;1427372546;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, still running, http://danielpbarron.com/turdel-with-rootfs.txt 1072346;1427372547;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HM076o ) 1072347;1427372569;danielpbarron;height=298597 vs height=216895 1072348;1427373363;jurov;!t m s.mpoe 1072349;1427373363;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00014884 / 0.00022246 / 0.00025392 (937851 shares, 208.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00014884 / 0.00026871 / 0.00030622 (11824171 shares, 3,177.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00014884 / 0.00034565 / 0.0004493 (80690536 shares, 27,891.42 BTC) 1072350;1427373377;jurov;!t m s.qntr 1072351;1427373377;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC) 1072352;1427373399;jurov;30d still won't budge 1072353;1427373464;jurov;davout no cockpit, we just uncovered the fraud with kako 1072354;1427373483;davout;lolwass 1072355;1427373523;jurov;supposedly everyone got their own deposit addy and nobody except me comes here to pester mircea for deposits/withdrawals 1072356;1427373536;jurov;i'm very curious what aill come out of this 1072357;1427373573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00014884 = 3.468 BTC [-] 1072358;1427373695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00014884 = 2.6791 BTC [-] 1072359;1427373833;jurov;but i hope that if mp was scammer, he'd have arranged the situation to not look so forlorn :D 1072360;1427373860;mike_c;jurov: wouldn't you expect most people to not ask for deposits/withdrawals in channel? 1072361;1427373888;mike_c;i mean, i don't think i've ever seen anyone ever except you ask in channel. 1072362;1427373915;jurov;why is everyone so utterly secretive? 1072363;1427373931;mike_c;it's not secretive, it's just, why shout it? 1072364;1427374023;mike_c;also, the 'announcement' was recent and the slide started some time ago. my guess is it has more to do with the drop in revenue than anything else, but mp and I have argued that before :) 1072365;1427374096;jurov;i know, being half serious.. but really, i remember from s.dice times half of the chan bragging(or mourning) about trades they did 1072366;1427374114;jurov;i don't remember any such thing for a long time recentyl 1072367;1427374146;mike_c;heh, yeah. but that said more about s.dice than anything else 1072368;1427374161;mike_c;people didn't brag/mourn about options trades either, and those were brutal 1072369;1427374183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.00014884 = 4.3085 BTC [-] 1072370;1427374204;jurov;but small investors that were caught there, talked about it 1072371;1427374290;mike_c;!t m s.bbet 1072372;1427374290;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000065 / 0.00009669 / 0.00025 (100399 shares, 9.71 BTC) 1072373;1427374320;jurov;^ large part of this was me, buying for upcoming divs 1072374;1427374341;mike_c;^ 1% of bitbet has turned over in the last month. that seems "right" to me. s.mg is untradeable because it has so much coin. 1072375;1427374359;davout;mike_c: howso? 1072376;1427374380;mike_c;how do you trade in a company with no revenue and 10k bitcoin on the books? 1072377;1427374413;davout;i'd naively say you'd base a valuation on the cash assets? 1072378;1427374427;mike_c;heh, well, it's currently trading below book value 1072379;1427374460;mike_c;but, point being, these stocks are generally held by serious investors and aren't going to have huge turnover. 1072380;1427374467;davout;i see 1072381;1427374493;mike_c;so without the options, where does mpex get revenue? it's an issue, and one that may be being reflected now in the stock price 1072382;1427374587;mike_c;of course, the options exchange was hardly closed without reason (including some that remained unspoken), so it's tough to bring it back. 1072383;1427374778;mike_c;davout: re s.mg. I think the problem there is that it is speculative whether they will be able to generate enough revenue to move the needle on the share price. so you might have your capital frozen in a stock that is basically valued as a pile of cash. 1072384;1427374807;mike_c;which is why some people who would rather have the cash themselves are willing to dump it at 90% of book value. 1072385;1427374849;mike_c;and I think it's too bad because it's an exciting company. if they're never going to spend the money, maybe just special dividend it back to the shareholders. 1072386;1427374922;jurov;they will find a way to circulate them into ingame economy, that is not so big problem 1072387;1427374961;mike_c;people have to pay to play, what do they need seed money for the game for? 1072388;1427375050;jurov;not a q for me 1072389;1427375198;jurov;i should not have vented here, perhaps am just disillusioned how shabbily it works, deposits, dividends 1072390;1427375241;mike_c;around the edges it is rough, but the important parts are rock solid. 1072391;1427375290;jurov;i fucked too intimately with said parts to put myself behind such statement 1072392;1427375312;mike_c;you think the trading engine isn't solid? or security? 1072393;1427375382;jurov;security is good. but i won't repeat myself about the other stuff 1072394;1427375495;mike_c;i've heard you talk about stuff like 'eventually consistent' and the statements missing some useful tracking features. 1072395;1427375515;mike_c;but i've never heard about problems like 'my bid didn't match the best offer' 1072396;1427375537;mike_c;except one time where something got fucked with a proxy i think :) 1072397;1427375548;mike_c;but once in x years isn't bad 1072398;1427375560;jurov;yes, if that's all you expect from an exchange... 1072399;1427375584;mike_c;hm. yeah, it pretty much is :) 1072400;1427375586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00014698 = 2.3664 BTC [-] 1072401;1427375604;mike_c;but i can see you wanting more give you run a brokerage 1072402;1427375655;jurov;i can see even non-broker client wanting to avoid hairy state machine to accurately track the account for daytrading 1072403;1427375666;mike_c;who wants fucking daytraders? 1072404;1427375690;mike_c;let the brokers deal with them :) 1072405;1427375758;mike_c;and i mean that from a business perspective, i'm sure some of them are perfectly pleasant people who just happen to think they are going to daytrade their way to stardom. 1072406;1427375758;jurov;davout isn't even daytrading... and took him fkn long time to get the bot right 1072407;1427375779;jurov;not going to argue with you 1072408;1427375808;mike_c;i'm not trying to argue, was just trying to flesh out the issues. but i think we covered it. 1072409;1427375890;jurov;!s every movement from:jurov 1072410;1427375891;assbot;0 results for 'every movement from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=every+movement++from%3Ajurov 1072411;1427375901;jurov;!s every balance from:jurov 1072412;1427375901;assbot;1 results for 'every balance from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=every+balance++from%3Ajurov 1072413;1427375967;jurov;only filthy daytraders would need such, i guess 1072414;1427376440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00014554 = 4.3735 BTC [-] {2} 1072415;1427376449;mike_c;i'm trying to think of one, what balance change wouldn't have a reason? 1072416;1427376473;jurov;deposits/withdrawals/pushes aren't shown in stat 1072417;1427376480;mike_c;ah, right 1072418;1427376497;jurov;and there were misc options.futures expirations 1072419;1427376519;mike_c;yes, that was suboptimal :) 1072420;1427376527;mike_c;but actually i thought we got that fixed 1072421;1427376567;jurov;except for x.eur balances vanishing in the middle of month (at least it's at known time) and reappearing any time later 1072422;1427376686;jurov;and dunno if you remember, there were daily interest payments in the beginning. without stat mention and at random times 1072423;1427376724;mike_c;this is part of the reason though too. products come and go, with different features. 1072424;1427376771;mike_c;x.eur hasn't been around that long. if it sticks around long enough, i'm sure it will work better. 1072425;1427376795;jurov;what reason? 1072426;1427376816;mike_c;part of the reason there are rough edges is that there are a lot of different products on mpex 1072427;1427376827;mike_c;with differing needs 1072428;1427376894;mike_c;path 1: engineer each product perfectly and ship 20 months late (sorry s.nsa). path 2: push it out, make sure it works as advertised, if it gets popular and sticks around, smooth out rough edges. 1072429;1427377035;jurov;well, if mpex isn't now structurally able to issue information like "BalanceChange":[{"Date:": "blabla","MPSIC": "X.EUR", "Change": "-100", "Reason" :"Future expiration"}] 1072430;1427377050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00014527 = 1.5617 BTC [-] 1072431;1427377052;jurov;adding it later will only be harder 1072432;1427377192;jurov;!up Vexual 1072433;1427377216;jurov;anyway, having errands, brb 1072434;1427377233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.0001443 = 3.0303 BTC [-] 1072435;1427377843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55492 @ 0.00014985 = 8.3155 BTC [+] {2} 1072436;1427377904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8398 @ 0.00015364 = 1.2903 BTC [+] 1072437;1427378758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8616 @ 0.00015364 = 1.3238 BTC [+] 1072438;1427379996;nubbins`;bricked the pogo, guess i'll need serial cable after all ;/ 1072439;1427380029;fluffypony;how'd ya do that? 1072440;1427380156;nubbins`;changed the boot order to check the NAND first, and then stuffed a bunch of garbage into it 1072441;1427380168;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/580862283158523904 1072442;1427380170;assbot;안녕하세요 http://t.co/q3eLLSDinv 1072443;1427380175;nubbins`;^ pronounced like "bitte coin" 1072444;1427380186;nubbins`;any deutsch in here? 8) 1072445;1427380257;nubbins`;(also note the smaller characters above: two syllables, "suh" 1072446;1427380259;nubbins`;and "ool" 1072447;1427380279;nubbins`;or as westy likes to pronounce, "sole" 1072448;1427380324;nubbins`;"With 1 Bitcoin and 650+ alternative coins each with their own symbol this new currency needs its symbol" 1072449;1427380327;nubbins`;my sides 1072450;1427380344;nubbins`;with 1 hot dog and 200 brands of frozen pizza, this new food needs a name. 1072451;1427380534;mats;https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2015/03/flash_in_2015.html 1072452;1427380536;assbot;Flash in 2015 « Threat Research | FireEye Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrJEUZ ) 1072453;1427380576;nubbins`;"That's odd: all 600+ new nodes came online with the user agent "/Satoshi:0.10.99/Gangnam Style:v4.01"" 1072454;1427380646;nubbins`;!up Vexual 1072455;1427380716;Vexual;10.99, what happened to 1.0? 1072456;1427380766;Vexual;almmost elen\venty, cmon 1072457;1427380926;mats;http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/25/investing/stocks-marketsdow-fall-growth-concern/index.html 1072458;1427380927;assbot;Dow tumbles 292 points as economy shows cracks - Mar. 25, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrK6m0 ) 1072459;1427380990;Vexual;yemens blowing up 1072460;1427381136;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS-WPTmaXvs saaab stories, but seriously, shit ron 1072461;1427381154;Vexual;*shits orn 1072462;1427381209;nubbins`;my other saab is a car 1072463;1427381224;Vexual;lol, 1072464;1427381248;Vexual;vine leaf porches 1072465;1427381259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23686 @ 0.00015425 = 3.6536 BTC [+] {2} 1072466;1427381306;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe 1072467;1427381306;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00020611 / 0.00025392 (1144012 shares, 235.80 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00026565 / 0.00030622 (11796040 shares, 3,133.70 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034497 / 0.0004493 (80838287 shares, 27,887.00 BTC) 1072468;1427381311;Vexual;seriously these yemenese will eat you 1072469;1427381327;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr 1072470;1427381327;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC) 1072471;1427381330;Vexual;and yo horse 1072472;1427381363;Vexual;if its moist, its food 1072473;1427381450;Vexual;you cant just bomb em' 1072474;1427381525;Vexual;;;seen dub 1072475;1427381525;gribble;dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: thats an interesting one for france given cambodia 1072476;1427381686;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm << m3t4-nsa-l0l 1072477;1427381686;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs7eMz ) 1072478;1427381738;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu << http://homment.com/3K3xdsYD7a << reads like nuttery at first, but all of the factual claims as far as i could verify are - factual... if you can't bring yourself to grind it, have someone do it 1072479;1427381739;assbot;Russia gov report Snowden Greenwald are CIA frauds pt1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs7jzM ) 1072480;1427381739;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1072481;1427381775;asciilifeform;'NSA 'revelations' of liar-poseur Snowden, were chosen because (a) not really new (b) superficially fascinating, adding lustre to CIA media (c) mass-media exposure does not inhibit surveillance, and adds terror to those aware of it, adding to CIA-NSA success...' 1072482;1427381804;asciilifeform;'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...' 1072483;1427381810;Vexual; waambulance 1072484;1427381843;asciilifeform;'Helping identify and destroy genuine US / UK / Nato leakers, duping them into trusting fake 'brave reporters' for Snowden (CIA-backed Greenwald, Guardian, NYT), then these media help CIA to silence, destroy, extort, kill any real whistleblowers - leakers - dissidents.' 1072485;1427381869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 60000 @ 0.00003998 = 2.3988 BTC [-] {18} 1072486;1427381871;asciilifeform;'Advance CIA side of old CIA-NSA territory dispute in US government, in favour of CIA more traditionally allied with US wealthy ruling families; achieving goal of limiting NSA powers, which had become felt as a general threat (blackmail) and even financial threat (insider trading) to US leading families.' 1072487;1427381958;asciilifeform;'Carmen Ortiz is reminded that two other female prosecutors, Thelma Colbert and Shannon Ross, were both found dead after opposing Bush family interests. Ortiz is asked if she would like to be the 3rd dead female prosecutor.' 1072488;1427381965;asciilifeform;many other stimulating tidbits. 1072489;1427382147;asciilifeform;'The American cult of judicial corruption - central tool of America's 'Deep State' government mafia - is not well known, because experts on it - like myself - are 'erased' from internet searches, with US judges directly 'ordering' Google to censor evidence and journalism about their crimes. The world is instead deceived and fooled by the image of US courts in Hollywood movies and on Google search results - hiding the grim real 1072490;1427382147;asciilifeform;ity. The central role of the US judge-lawyer mafia, is the reason over 1 million Americans have become lawyers in what is the developed world's most abusive, corrupt legal system. Though many American lawyers are now unemployed or low-income, they often became lawyers in the first place, because they hoped for at least a junior role in the US courtroom mafia, with a licence to steal the wealth of others.' 1072491;1427382152;Vexual; pretty sure brazillians are de rigieur and we wont see another bush' 1072492;1427382195;asciilifeform;'The two richest men in America, my Harvard classmate Bill Gates whom I met as a boy, and Warren Buffett, were both quite threatened when they were acting too independently of America's ruling consensus. Legal action - by America's bribed, extorted judges and regulators - menaced them both. As each backed down and became more submissive to US policies, the threatened legal and regulatory actions against them evaporated.' 1072493;1427382248;asciilifeform;anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist. 1072494;1427382491;thestringpuller;!up Vexual 1072495;1427382506;asciilifeform;'In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.' 1072496;1427382525;Vexual;lol thats how i find content 1072497;1427382543;asciilifeform;but the notification itself was removed. 1072498;1427382563;asciilifeform;fella linked to a page full of 'removed' instead of search results, for his name 1072499;1427382568;Vexual;thats unusual 1072500;1427382587;asciilifeform;seems like somebody worked overtime to replace most of these with a set of 'benign' 'he's a nutter' results 1072501;1427382701;asciilifeform;https://www.indymedia.nl/en/2011/07/77181.shtml << more or less the only other mention i was able to find of him. 1072502;1427382701;assbot;Indymedia NL (The Netherlands) - EU Report, Google Inc. Anti-Competition Crimes & Deception ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs8rDx ) 1072503;1427382739;Vexual;good one,, funny 1072504;1427382756;Vexual;google rports crimes now? 1072505;1427382784;Vexual;or what? 1072506;1427382812;Vexual;you see the latest hip hop moving to spotify only 1072507;1427382841;asciilifeform;Vexual: i also did not see the latest gas vortex on jupiter. 1072508;1427382861;Vexual;hmm, that sounds like something i might have said 1072509;1427382904;Vexual;oh levels are high 1072510;1427382954;Vexual;did i have aplan for some moon or other? 1072511;1427382988;asciilifeform;http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%22Leszek%20Sachs%22 << not particularly more interesting 1072512;1427382990;assbot;Ð¯Ð½Ð´ÐµÐºÑ ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLnccF ) 1072513;1427383005;asciilifeform;almost enough to nail down the thesis that yandex lifts results straight from google 1072514;1427383050;asciilifeform;did turn up one more, http://www.banned-in-america.net/david-e-rosenbaum-murdered.html 1072515;1427383050;assbot;The murder of US journalist David Rosenbaum, as he investigated corrupt US judges - questions remain ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLnD6W ) 1072516;1427383177;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: 11:03:18 up 11:03, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04 1072517;1427383369;asciilifeform;can we get mr Sachs in here ? 1072518;1427383375;asciilifeform;what would it take ? 1072519;1427383376;nubbins`;chumpatronicist 1072520;1427383377;nubbins`;lel 1072521;1427383382;Vexual;can we get mcafee? 1072522;1427383493;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg 1072523;1427383539;Vexual;he dont write asm anymore 1072524;1427383627;nubbins`;asciilifeform must i gunzip turdel then tftp 0x800000 filename.gz? 1072525;1427383632;nubbins`;er wat. 1072526;1427383641;asciilifeform;nubbins`: yes 1072527;1427383643;nubbins`;consider the above q modified to make sense 1072528;1427383644;nubbins`;ok 1072529;1427383654;nubbins`;did so. obv smth was incorrect 1072530;1427383670;asciilifeform;nubbins`: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html << as i wrote here 1072531;1427383670;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs9yD4 ) 1072532;1427383688;nubbins`;nod, the ".ub" confused as the gunzip'd file had no ext 1072533;1427383762;nubbins`;PROTIP to self: put tftp /after/ mmc in boot order next time 1072534;1427383900;asciilifeform;'The CIA-Snowden fraud was, to a degree, a semi-brilliant scam, even though it is now falling apart. On the surface, it seems anyone talking about these awful NSA activities 'must be genuine' - Few people considered what else Snowden was saying. When he moves out of an extremely narrow channel of CIA-scripted 'NSA revelations', Snowden's agenda is to be a slimy, sleazy salesman...' 1072535;1427383946;asciilifeform;was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ? 1072536;1427383953;asciilifeform;it was full of outright garbage 1072537;1427383968;nubbins`;i missed it, but his "how to use tor" video was painful 1072538;1427383977;asciilifeform;and if 'the real snowden' ever stood up to refute the 'fake' - i never heard of such. 1072539;1427384060;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1043648 << thread where mircea_popescu illuminates the war between cia and nsa 1072540;1427384060;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 00:52:42; mircea_popescu: if you decide to fuck whomint, where the fuck is harry poter fanfic boy going to find money to pay for his groceries ? 1072541;1427384091;asciilifeform;though 'war' is very much the wrong term, just as 'fight' is not a correct word for what happens between the corresponding two types of kid in the playground 1072542;1427384137;nubbins`;struggle 1072543;1427384145;asciilifeform;clobbering. 1072544;1427384168;asciilifeform;it's only a 'struggle' if they're both still moving. 1072545;1427384175;nubbins`;Hello. Thanks for your email. We were selling these consistently at $30-$35. The price seems to fluctuate on these overtime.I know that many people are modifying them for other things so I know there is a very strong market for them. We have about 3000 of these left at this point.I would be willing to sell a minimum of 1000 units but would be more interested in selling all 3000 that I have left. Can you tell me what you're wanting to do 1072546;1427384175;nubbins`; with them? Are you just wanting to resell them or modify them or something else? Please feel free to make me an offer on a minimum of 1000 units or an offer for all 3000 units if that would interest you. I look forward to hearing from you soon! 1072547;1427384176;hexual;skylarking? 1072548;1427384201;nubbins`;asciilifeform mircea_popescu etc ^^ 1072549;1427384210;nubbins`;pogov4 1072550;1427384216;asciilifeform;which type 1072551;1427384220;nubbins`;purple, like yrs 1072552;1427384222;asciilifeform;aha 1072553;1427384229;hexual;price landed 1072554;1427384240;nubbins`;current list price is 18usdea 1072555;1427384246;asciilifeform;i wonder how many one could get at the list price 1072556;1427384249;nubbins`;not sure what the guy's sweet spot is 1072557;1427384257;asciilifeform;i was half-expecting that my 10 would exhaust the supply 1072558;1427384262;asciilifeform;(it didn't, of course) 1072559;1427384285;asciilifeform;nubbins`: where was this ? 1072560;1427384288;asciilifeform;the manufacturer ? 1072561;1427384297;nubbins`;amazon seller 1072562;1427384352;nubbins`;!up Vexual 1072563;1427384485;Vexual;yall should have someone sesible liek do da emails 1072564;1427385013;*;nubbins` is sensibul biznis ownur 1072565;1427385026;*;Vexual is on the good wine 1072566;1427385046;danielpbarron;so like 18k to 50k worth? 1072567;1427385073;Vexual;2 euro 1072568;1427385159;asciilifeform;'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, despite his being the 'owner' of 'tens of thousands' of 'Snowden stolen espionage documents'. When of course if 'Snowden' was not a CIA operation, all American hell would be loose against Omidyar, Greenwald and the rest, targeting their assets and persons on US territory.' 1072569;1427385267;asciilifeform;'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?) 1072570;1427385323;mod6;!t m s.mpoe 1072571;1427385323;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00020445 / 0.00025392 (1031337 shares, 210.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00026506 / 0.00030622 (11517071 shares, 3,052.80 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034496 / 0.0004493 (80824654 shares, 27,881.74 BTC) 1072572;1427385341;Vexual;tahiti is a long way in a canoe 1072573;1427385353;mod6;fuckin 'a right 1072574;1427385363;Vexual;the journey prefers stout gents 1072575;1427385383;nubbins`;the stout prefers gent journeys 1072576;1427385394;nubbins`;ok, reply sent. let's see where this goes. 1072577;1427385397;Vexual;dont they tho 1072578;1427385641;nubbins`;"But Wi-Fi hotspots can't deliver wireless connection speeds any faster than the incoming wired connection from your cable or other ISP (Internet service provider); top theoretical AC router speeds are only available in a direct computer-to-computer wireless connections, which you'll never do." 1072579;1427385645;nubbins`;so much fail 1072580;1427385660;nubbins`;you're right, i'd never want to transfer data within my network 1072581;1427385681;asciilifeform;nubbins`: whatever it was, was probably referring to 'ad hoc mode' 1072582;1427385683;Vexual;the bettong with the scroll on its ankle is the bottleneck here 1072583;1427385708;asciilifeform;nubbins`: you use ad-hoc mode often ? 1072584;1427385726;nubbins`;in fact, i don't, but i kinda think that's not what the guy meant to say 1072585;1427385737;asciilifeform;what even was this 1072586;1427385738;nubbins`;who cares what the router speed is if you're going ad-hoc? 1072587;1427385750;nubbins`;just some random huffpo article about how yr router is lying to you 1072588;1427385759;nubbins`;because the pipe coming into your house is slower 1072589;1427385768;nubbins`;(o.O) 1072590;1427385777;Vexual;not in japan its not 1072591;1427385790;asciilifeform;not here, either 1072592;1427385797;Vexual;they have optic fibre to the eyeball 1072593;1427385826;Vexual;yeah but youd have it anyway ascii 1072594;1427385856;asciilifeform;i have a few wifi devices. the radio is definitely the bottleneck. 1072595;1427385897;Vexual;nubbins shoos bears off his wifi' 1072596;1427385930;nubbins`;i think this was written for USians with slow pipes 1072597;1427385940;nubbins`;fiber to the door here, i dare the wifi to keep up 1072598;1427386056;thestringpuller;wifi is for people who don't like living in a house akin to Kowloon Walled City 1072599;1427386064;Vexual;i wrote this next week 1072600;1427386185;Vexual;yes, comin atchya on a 1.4 1072601;1427386482;asciilifeform;'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.' 1072602;1427387969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234882 @ 0.00015768 = 37.0362 BTC [-] {4} 1072603;1427388884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00015753 = 5.4978 BTC [-] 1072604;1427390043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00015753 = 3.5759 BTC [-] 1072605;1427390282;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/BCSUcA13 1072606;1427390283;assbot;CIA fraud Julian Assange abusing Ecuador London embassy - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydCNsV ) 1072607;1427390308;asciilifeform;'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile to real dissidents. For example, Assange grossly insults anyone who does not believe the absurd US gov story about 11 Sep 2001 - which no serious person believes. Assange insults the thousands of architects, engineers, US military and intelligence veterans, who continually describe how the 'official story' is a fraud. ' 1072608;1427390416;nubbins`;"I am a Harvard classmate of top US leaders" the wankery is strong with this one 1072609;1427390428;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i don't give a damn if he claims to be a martian 1072610;1427390436;asciilifeform;the story, to the extent it can be checked out, checks out. 1072611;1427390444;nubbins`;how about if he claims to be a martian in every communique? 8) 1072612;1427390450;asciilifeform;and fits the known facts more tightly than anything else i've encountered 1072613;1427390462;asciilifeform;that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest 1072614;1427390488;asciilifeform;recall that the nsa devices catalogue was -not- a snowden leak 1072615;1427390493;asciilifeform;but came from the other fella 1072616;1427390498;asciilifeform;now (almost certainly) dead 1072617;1427390516;asciilifeform;it shuffled in and was permitted to spread, to lend credibility to the rest of the pile. 1072618;1427390532;nubbins`;yfw 0.5.3 has a hidden backdoor and both satoshi and mp are complicit! 1072619;1427390556;asciilifeform;nubbins`: that's your 'incredulity immune system' healthily working 1072620;1427390581;nubbins`;and me without a general checkup in years 1072621;1427390632;nubbins`;anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards 1072622;1427390646;nubbins`;which in itself is mildly curious 1072623;1427390659;asciilifeform;and that details of -specific- compromises, clearly apparent from context in some of the docs, were scrubbed 1072624;1427390694;nubbins`;i bet assange is such a fucking dirtbag 1072625;1427390704;nubbins`;he probably eats potato chips for breakfast 1072626;1427390705;asciilifeform;sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons. 1072627;1427390712;asciilifeform;no one has, afaik, seen it fit to refute any of it. 1072628;1427390779;asciilifeform;at any rate, i'll summarize for the impatient. according to sachs, snowden heap was lifted. but under cia (his original and actual employer) direction. and then carefully selected. 1072629;1427390829;asciilifeform;mainly to create a usg-controlled 'muppet hero' who will lead actual leakers to their deaths 1072630;1427390846;asciilifeform;but also to drum up a feeling of 'everyone is surveilled' 1072631;1427390872;asciilifeform;sachs does -not- mention it, but the folks in #b-a know well, that it also created a vast and thriving market of faux 'security' paraphernalia. 1072632;1427390873;nubbins`;i wonder how many btc people sent snowden 1072633;1427390884;asciilifeform;('redphone', 'blackphone', and 1001 other pieces of rubbish) 1072634;1427390892;nubbins`;ah, blackphone, i recall 1072635;1427390898;nubbins`;turns out it was in fact clearphone? 1072636;1427390907;asciilifeform;long ago proven fact. 1072637;1427390910;nubbins`;rite 1072638;1427390919;asciilifeform;and countless other 'schneierisms.' 1072639;1427391091;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: thank you so much. But I guess this is not true on OTC WoT? Only in assbot, right? 1072640;1427391132;danielpbarron;otc sucks anyway 1072641;1427391199;mod6;well, it didn't used to suck. 1072642;1427391253;mod6;speaking of... i kinda miss trading otc 1072643;1427391329;danielpbarron;do miners even sell in there? or is it all people acting as coinbase pass-throughs? 1072644;1427391384;mod6;I dunno anymore. It used to be different. 1072645;1427391484;mod6;is there a way to visually see the ratings for a given nick with assbot? 1072646;1427391500;mircea_popescu;o wow check that out, 15s! 1072647;1427391505;mircea_popescu;iamsopoor.jpg 1072648;1427391607;mod6;!gettrust mod6 assbot 1072649;1427391608;assbot;Trust relationship from user mod6 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 8 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mod6/assbot | http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot 1072650;1427391698;mike_c;mod6: soon. it'll be public after conference. 1072651;1427391704;mod6;krad 1072652;1427391751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235486 @ 0.00015906 = 37.4564 BTC [+] {3} 1072653;1427391812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125550 @ 0.00016085 = 20.1947 BTC [+] 1072654;1427391873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199550 @ 0.00016085 = 32.0976 BTC [+] 1072655;1427391934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 873079 @ 0.00016333 = 142.6 BTC [+] {3} 1072656;1427391996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 306674 @ 0.00017534 = 53.7722 BTC [+] {5} 1072657;1427392178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00019321 = 1.9514 BTC [+] 1072658;1427392298;mod6;!t m s.mpoe 1072659;1427392299;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00017661 / 0.00025392 (3033844 shares, 535.82 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024898 / 0.00030622 (13265892 shares, 3,303.03 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034046 / 0.0004493 (82819096 shares, 28,197.34 BTC) 1072660;1427392468;mod6;!gettrust assbot nubbins` 1072661;1427392468;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubbins`: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 12 via 12 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/nubbins%60 | http://w.b-a.link/user/nubbins%60 1072662;1427392516;mod6;Hey nubbins`: if you're not signed up to the btc-dev list, now is not a horrible time. You wouldn't mind sending your OSX steps there (in a clearsigned message) would you? 1072663;1427392603;nubbins`;oh, sure. here's the thing tho 1072664;1427392613;mod6;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz << this thing 1072665;1427392614;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2nQl9 ) 1072666;1427392615;mod6;ok 1072667;1427392637;nubbins`;i'mma have to set up a new pgp key 1072668;1427392651;mod6;ah, ok. best day to do that is today. 1072669;1427392657;nubbins`;o? 1072670;1427392666;mod6;well, so the saying goes :] 1072671;1427392677;mod6;anyway, thanks in advance. 1072672;1427392698;nubbins`;heh, np. 1072673;1427392745;mod6;It'd be nice to have it in there anyway, signed by yourself. And then I can mention it in this months address as well. 1072674;1427392745;nubbins`;anyone got a guide for assbot wot handy? 1072675;1427392751;mod6;!help 1072676;1427392751;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1072677;1427392756;nubbins`;ty 1072678;1427392778;nubbins`;i'm gonna need to rate my key but i guess i hafta register it with assbot first 1072679;1427392793;nubbins`;wait, i can just !changekey, right? 1072680;1427392794;mod6;i don't think you can rate yourself. 1072681;1427392808;nubbins`;mod6 i use separate pgp keys for various things 1072682;1427392815;mod6;yeah, changekey should do it. but don't listen to me. i r dumb. ask kako to make sure. 1072683;1427392827;nubbins`;the one i use here is, uh, not the one i should be signing foundation releases with 1072684;1427392863;mod6;ah, no worries, this can wait until later, days or weeks if needed. 1072685;1427392869;nubbins`;nah, i'll get it done 1072686;1427392874;mod6;i was just hoping for before 31st of march. :] 1072687;1427392974;*;nubsy searches for gpg cheat sheet 1072688;1427393051;nubbins`;!rate nubsy 10 top kek 1072689;1427393051;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/39eaf513bb3f09f9 1072690;1427393056;nubbins`;o right 1072691;1427393078;asciilifeform; the one i use here is, uh, not the one i should be signing foundation releases with << care to explain why ? 1072692;1427393096;asciilifeform;(not that there is anything necessarily wrong with this) 1072693;1427393126;nubbins`;note email address attached to 3C84 4002 1072694;1427393135;nubbins`;(pinkeyeprints@gmail.com) 1072695;1427393149;asciilifeform;aha 1072696;1427393163;nubbins`;while ostensibly pink eye has business using a gpg key around these parts, it's hard for me to justify "signing foundation code releases" as a relevant business activity 1072697;1427393192;nubbins`;now, where was i 1072698;1427393346;nubbins`;mod6 i can just dump clearsigned text into the body, yes? 1072699;1427393405;mod6;Yes, Sir. 1072700;1427393453;nubbins`;ok, sent 1072701;1427393505;nubbins`;like i said earlier, these steps should be relatively impervious to future code changes 1072702;1427393533;mod6;I don't see it in there, but the mailatronic has been known to snarf messages at will. 1072703;1427393569;nubbins`;i *just* registered the key with assbot 1072704;1427393573;mod6;Maybe we can get jurov to take a peek. If not, post your clearsigned message to pastebin and maybe I can clearsign your clearsigned message and send it myself. 1072705;1427393585;nubbins`;maybe it hasn't refreshed yet 1072706;1427393593;mod6;aight, we'll give it a day. 1072707;1427393599;nubbins`;!gettrust assbot nubsy 1072708;1427393600;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubsy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/nubsy | http://w.b-a.link/user/nubsy 1072709;1427393606;mod6;no problem. thanks for putting the work in there and getting that going! 1072710;1427393610;nubbins`;hey, np 1072711;1427393637;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DGCB4D13 1072712;1427393638;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2r5ce ) 1072713;1427393642;nubbins`;^ set to expire in 1 week 1072714;1427393645;nubbins`;just in case 1072715;1427393696;mod6;ok sweet. 1072716;1427393755;mod6;;;later tell jurov did you see any weirdness from Mailman regarding nubbins`'s OSX clearsigned message on 2015.03.26? 1072717;1427393755;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1072718;1427393788;nubbins`;haha fuck. 1072719;1427393792;nubbins`;i sent it from the wrong account 1072720;1427393800;nubbins`;sec 1072721;1427393800;mod6;haha 1072722;1427393804;mod6;ok 1072723;1427393886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39882 @ 0.00019551 = 7.7973 BTC [+] 1072724;1427393894;nubbins`;ok, sent 1072725;1427393910;nubbins`;if *that* doesn't show up, either we gotta wait for key list to refresh or there's some other strange 1072726;1427393932;*;nubbins` would not be surprised if ML doesn't poll assbot wot very frequently 1072727;1427393935;jurov;haven't you just created the key? 1072728;1427393958;jurov;no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually *blushes* 1072729;1427393966;nubbins`;the key itself is old, i just reg'd it with assbot 15 mins ago 1072730;1427393968;nubbins`;oh you! :D 1072731;1427393980;nubbins`;nickname "nubsy" 1072732;1427393984;nubbins`;7C77 9724 1072733;1427394012;nubbins`;FWIW it's not the sort of thing that needs to poll just yet 1072734;1427394071;mod6;yeah, agree. it doesn't need that functionallity yet. 1072735;1427394085;mod6;thanks jurov 1072736;1427394196;nubbins`;yeah tyvm, let me know when updated and i'll resend 1072737;1427394288;nubbins`;height=206724 1072738;1427394487;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg10894583#msg10894583 1072739;1427394487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2u2JM ) 1072740;1427394488;*;nubbins` cries 1072741;1427394615;mod6;jeeze 1072742;1427394829;nubbins`;"hai guise where my maniez? i email" 1072743;1427395256;nubbins`;Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders; 1072744;1427395259;nubbins`;heh 1072745;1427395274;nubbins`;Dr Les (went to school w/ important people) Sachs 1072746;1427395293;asciilifeform;again he can be a martian if he wants 1072747;1427395321;nubbins`;but if martian is a synonym for obvious attention-seeker... 1072748;1427395349;nubbins`;(what's up with the CV as a footnote?) 1072749;1427395356;asciilifeform;nubbins`: there are far more tedious and less apparently factual 'seekers' who get considerably more attention 1072750;1427395364;asciilifeform;and sachs gives testable hypotheses 1072751;1427395368;nubbins`;granted 1072752;1427395382;asciilifeform;which is why i don't give a damn what he is 1072753;1427395391;asciilifeform;the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him 1072754;1427395397;asciilifeform;this is testable right from where you're sitting. 1072755;1427395399;nubbins`;"Former USA resident who risked being tortured to death, attempting defence of human and Constitutional rights inside the United States, facing down terrorist gangster lawyers in a US courtroom, alone because US lawyers cower in fear before bribed US judges;" 1072756;1427395416;nubbins`;Major Accomplishments: 1072757;1427395428;nubbins`;Faced down terrorist gangster lawyers in a US courtroom, alone 1072758;1427395457;nubbins`;Formerly lived in a glass-bottomed boat with oars made of flame 1072759;1427395474;asciilifeform;i get it, pattern-matches 'nuttery' 1072760;1427395476;nubbins`;anyway, i'm just poking fun of the chrome here 1072761;1427395486;nubbins`;not addressing the content of the thing 8) 1072762;1427395524;nubbins`;which, on the face, is no more or less plausible than the understanding anyone else is operating under 1072763;1427395546;asciilifeform;the bells and gongs sticking out of that thing make it considerably less palatable, yes, which i suspect is the only reason sachs is still alive 1072764;1427395666;asciilifeform;note that there is no public communique from harvart 'this fella never went here' (whether factual or not) 1072765;1427395671;asciilifeform;*harvard 1072766;1427395926;nubbins`;ugh 1072767;1427395931;nubbins`;guy's websites are a fuckin pain to read 1072768;1427395939;nubbins`;maybe there's truth in here? 1072769;1427395946;nubbins`;i couldn't be fucked to read another page of it 1072770;1427395957;asciilifeform;i pasted in some of the highlights. 1072771;1427395960;asciilifeform;(earlier today) 1072772;1427395978;asciilifeform;he is not a master of the english language. 1072773;1427395988;nubbins`;nor a master of not encasing the entire page in 1072774;1427395994;asciilifeform;but despite the superficial flavour, i don't get the usual 'schizo' vibe from it. 1072775;1427395997;nubbins`;how the fuck is someone supposed to parse this 1072776;1427396013;nubbins`;i dunno man, the one page about cromwell i read was nutted out 1072777;1427396028;asciilifeform;wai wat 1072778;1427396034;nubbins`;cornwell, w/e 1072779;1427396035;asciilifeform;this is where? 1072780;1427396071;nubbins`;http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/new-us-federal-court-lawsuit.html 1072781;1427396072;assbot;New US Federal Court lawsuit involving Patricia Cornwell -Cornwell renews threats to murder Dr Les Sachs ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHB5SY ) 1072782;1427396074;nubbins`;here's a snippet 1072783;1427396081;nubbins`;Cornwell quickly denounces the "dirty Jews", the "filthy Jews". Indeed, attacking Jews is a real passion for the neo-Nazi Cornwell, while at the same time engaging in the 'Pleasures of Adolf Eichmann', Cornwell's hiring of dishonest Jews to do dirty jobs for her, a 'pet Jew' whom Cornwell can dominate. 1072784;1427396098;asciilifeform;nubbins`: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sachs.txt << minus the css. just for you. 1072785;1427396100;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHB6Gy ) 1072786;1427396100;asciilifeform;^ mirror 1072787;1427396116;nubbins`;ty 1072788;1427396231;asciilifeform;at any rate, herr sachs has not posited any martian armies taking over earth. instead, he connected a number of dots which are plain as daylight 1072789;1427396244;asciilifeform;and are there for anyone who wants to see them. 1072790;1427396305;nubbins`;\o/ 1072791;1427396305;asciilifeform;snowden (or whatever bourbaki is responsible for writing his public-facing garbage) insulted the intelligence of the entire planet a thousand times 1072792;1427396309;asciilifeform;and somehow it all washed. 1072793;1427396341;asciilifeform;from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions 1072794;1427396357;asciilifeform;and the multicoloured 'phones' 1072795;1427396358;asciilifeform;etc. 1072796;1427396410;nubbins`;Cornwell's lawyers know this, that attacking and murdering Jews is Cornwell's ultimate fetish and fantasy, to herself become a lesbian Adolf Hitler. Cornwell's longtime lawyers Shumadine and Rudell, mentioned above, took advantage of this back in 2000, when they threatened someone of Jewish heritage with a Jew-baiting extortion letter. 1072797;1427396435;nubbins`;after clicking 5 links through various pages of gibberish, i find the "jew-baiting" extortion letter 1072798;1427396444;asciilifeform;link? 1072799;1427396454;nubbins`;which turns out to be, essentially, http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-1.jpg 1072800;1427396455;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBLIe ) 1072801;1427396461;nubbins`;http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-2.jpg 1072802;1427396461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBJjn ) 1072803;1427396491;nubbins`;reminds me of the woman who claimed JK Rowling stole her book "Larry Botter" or w/e 1072804;1427396503;nubbins`;anyway 1072805;1427396512;nubbins`;for all i know, this guy is preaching the true word 1072806;1427396523;asciilifeform;nubbins`: mind you, i cannot vouch for his sanity 1072807;1427396534;nubbins`;obv barely hanging on. 1072808;1427396538;asciilifeform;but i am not his shrink and this is not my job. 1072809;1427396553;asciilifeform;not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position. 1072810;1427396556;asciilifeform;whatever that may be 1072811;1427396566;nubbins`;at the risk of being blithe, he's a nutter who harasses people he thinks are out to get him 1072812;1427396572;nubbins`;but what do i know. 1072813;1427396598;mike_c;how much are they paying you nubbins`? 1072814;1427396606;asciilifeform;how would you distinguish this animal from the other, very different, species with similar markings ? 1072815;1427396616;nubbins`;mike_c my purpose of being here has been discussed in the past 1072816;1427396619;nubbins`;my salary has not 1072817;1427396649;punkman;https://github.com/chipsec/chipsec 1072818;1427396651;assbot;chipsec/chipsec · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBULw ) 1072819;1427396651;nubbins`;asciilifeform problem is, if the "similar markings" are verbal diarrhoea, i just wouldn't be able to. 1072820;1427396705;nubbins`;everyone with this type of crazy has the same website 1072821;1427396706;asciilifeform;punkman: requires patching winblows to put kernel in 'dev mode' and removing signature checks. which is readily visible to any decend crapware 1072822;1427396709;nubbins`;endless, endless pages 1072823;1427396716;nubbins`;each with endless, endless paragraphs of text 1072824;1427396720;asciilifeform;punkman: hence no stealth in the analysis 1072825;1427396726;nubbins`;full of hyperbole and exaggeration 1072826;1427396758;nubbins`;the only difference between this guy and a "SHTF" type prepper is the style of the gibberish 1072827;1427396772;asciilifeform;nubbins`: my hypothesis is that this kind of thing is -caused by- rather than -a cause of- the futility of 'shouting in the wilderness' 1072828;1427396799;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the pertinent difference is the testability of the claims and how perfectly they square, imho, with the publicly-available facts. 1072829;1427396805;asciilifeform;none of the other shit ultimately matters. 1072830;1427396811;nubbins`;mine is that it's a piece of breat with nut butter on both sides 1072831;1427396839;nubbins`;but again. i'm not evaluating his claims (how can i? 100% not reading any more), just the way in which he presents himself and his theories 1072832;1427396858;nubbins`;these rambling essays to me are like rounded corners to mp 1072833;1427396883;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the actual facts about usg are sufficiently monstrous that they will trigger -any- reasonable person's immune system the way they triggered yours, if encountered raw in one gigantic torrent 1072834;1427396898;punkman;asciilifeform: doesn't have to run in windows though 1072835;1427396900;asciilifeform;nubbins`: picture how a 'civilian' would view #b-a log if he were to read 'the choice bits' 1072836;1427396902;nubbins`;sure. overwhelming. 1072837;1427396932;asciilifeform;punkman: the uefi variant runs from... within bios? 1072838;1427396942;asciilifeform;punkman: which is one of the objects under test 1072839;1427396955;asciilifeform;how's that supposed to work 1072840;1427397063;nubbins`;woo, got a contact for bulk orders from that other place 1072841;1427397075;nubbins`;"We currently have plenty of them in stock" 1072842;1427397093;asciilifeform;punkman: at any rate, check out the vendor - intel. 1072843;1427397100;nubbins`;OH ALSO 1072844;1427397102;nubbins`;For two days only, save 40% on Pogoplug Unlimited Cloud—just $29 for the first year (reg. $49.95). 1072845;1427397104;nubbins`;;p 1072846;1427397117;asciilifeform;intel is interested in 'platform security' in much the same way that monsanto is interested in your healthy diet. 1072847;1427397128;punkman;asciilifeform: aha, smells like PR 1072848;1427397156;asciilifeform;from what i can tell, the thing reads fw images, tests if smm register is properly locked, etc. 1072849;1427397160;asciilifeform;perfectly pedestrian things. 1072850;1427397196;asciilifeform;but don't be surprised if it makes headlines in the mouthpiece press as a mega-s333k00r1ty-gotterdammerung 1072851;1427397201;*;nubbins` lives on monsanto-free island (for now) 1072852;1427397264;nubbins`;phun phact, newfoundland was england's first overseas colony 1072853;1427398297;nubbins`;woo 1072854;1427398309;nubbins`;may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0 1072855;1427398466;asciilifeform;nubbins`: "We currently have plenty of them in stock" << may be pessimistic, but i strongly suspect that the $20 stock will evaporate very quickly once the manufacturer realizes what these are being used for. 1072856;1427398481;asciilifeform;nubbins`: not unlike the 'playstation' supercomputing clusters and sony's response 1072857;1427398592;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7 1072858;1427398673;nubbins`;nod 1072859;1427398683;nubbins`;first guy is already "!!!!"ing me 1072860;1427398692;nubbins`;i suspect he did a google 1072861;1427398969;mod6;<+nubbins`> may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0 << anyone i'd know? 1072862;1427399035;BingoBoingo;If the bad has a big name it can't be very punk 1072863;1427399061;mod6;what about Fugazi. Or the Melvins? Everyone knows them, they're still punk(tm) 1072864;1427399136;BingoBoingo;Were punk, they were punk, emphasis on the past tense 1072865;1427399243;mod6;Do you consider Strung Out to be a punk band? 1072866;1427399254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167100 @ 0.00026674 = 44.5723 BTC [+] {2} 1072867;1427399260;mod6;I heard they're gonna be playing up here. gotta try to catch 'em. 1072868;1427399333;nubbins`;mod6 you'd definitely know em, the name starts with P and it's not pennywise 1072869;1427399340;nubbins`;but can't say much else til the contract is signed :D 1072870;1427399360;nubbins`;BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk 1072871;1427399363;nubbins`;but the trappings of punk 1072872;1427399365;nubbins`;8) 1072873;1427399389;nubbins`;mod6 melvins was a good guess tho, they get silkscreened posters done locally for all their slows 1072874;1427399391;nubbins`;*shows 1072875;1427399399;mod6;ah, cool 1072876;1427399428;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk << Of course by the time I've heard of them they've lapsed. 1072877;1427399435;nubbins`;heh 1072878;1427399447;nubbins`;semi related: http://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/detail-1122/ 1072879;1427399449;assbot;Melvins - Live at Amoeba Music ... ( http://bit.ly/19nRcMR ) 1072880;1427399457;nubbins`;10/10 have watched maybe 15 times 1072881;1427399477;mod6;oh startswith P. i know who it is. that's awesome! 1072882;1427399481;nubbins`;BingoBoingo you want real punk, check local flyers for bands called "cider squad" and shit like that 1072883;1427399484;nubbins`;mod6 :D 1072884;1427399532;nubbins`;& watch some crust kid barf on a drum kit 1072885;1427399532;gribble;Error: "watch" is not a valid command. 1072886;1427399538;nubbins`;yeah yeah 1072887;1427399541;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Cider Squad can't be punk anymore. You have to understand that my herueistic for this is that if I've heard of something it can no longer be punk, underground, or whatever 1072888;1427399571;nubbins`;natch 1072889;1427399587;nubbins`;i recall being at one of these shows once 1072890;1427399594;nubbins`;guy comes up "hey, wanna go in on a case of beer?" 1072891;1427399599;nubbins`;me: "...dude, we're at a bar" 1072892;1427399612;nubbins`;"...oh yeah" then guy wanders in and takes stage w/ band 1072893;1427399613;nubbins`;heh 1072894;1427399689;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, nubbins`, mircea_popescu, et al: 1072895;1427399707;asciilifeform;observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd 1072896;1427399715;asciilifeform;saves 1MB 1072897;1427399728;asciilifeform;activated, naturally, (if present in the battlefield version at all) by holding down button on boot 1072898;1427399768;asciilifeform;to be used only by devs or by folks who want to turn a knob (e.g., set a static ip instead of dhcp) 1072899;1427399793;asciilifeform;i wouldn't even bother with it at all if it weren't for folks here who don't feel like soldering the serial plug 1072900;1427399828;nubbins`;a ha ha, you've got a point. 1072901;1427399832;asciilifeform;no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup 1072902;1427399839;asciilifeform;(for shell, i mean) 1072903;1427399934;nubbins`;i'm gonna be /making/ a serial cable anyway 1072904;1427399944;nubbins`;but if you don't mind the indulgence, short term... 1072905;1427399976;asciilifeform;something like this will be necessary if there is to be any possibility of changing, say, the ip bringup 1072906;1427399983;asciilifeform;(i don't like dhcp myself, for example) 1072907;1427400222;asciilifeform;http://lwn.net/Articles/474243 << other side of debate 1072908;1427400224;assbot;A hole in telnetd [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/19nSqHP ) 1072909;1427400255;mod6;ok, maybe i don't understand. but im gonna ask anyway. but what you're saying is that the pogo embedded os wont have a rng? 1072910;1427400266;asciilifeform;mod6: it has -no- source of entropy other than i/o 1072911;1427400273;asciilifeform;not even a battery-backed clock 1072912;1427400277;mod6;so what is bitcoind supposed to do? 1072913;1427400285;asciilifeform;bitcoind does not need entropy for anything 1072914;1427400291;asciilifeform;unless abused 1072915;1427400298;asciilifeform;in ways which we do not intend to abuse it 1072916;1427400307;asciilifeform;(i.e. use as a wallet) 1072917;1427400325;mod6;ok. so we won't sign transactions then 1072918;1427400333;asciilifeform;mod6: not on a pogo! 1072919;1427400337;asciilifeform;POGO IS NOT A WALLET 1072920;1427400339;mod6;ah, ok. derp. 1072921;1427400340;asciilifeform;for anyone who did not know 1072922;1427400341;mod6;gotcha. 1072923;1427400349;mod6;see, just thought i'd ask. 1072924;1427400350;mod6;haha 1072925;1427400352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241000 @ 0.00026322 = 63.436 BTC [-] {2} 1072926;1427400384;asciilifeform;(do not read this to take that a battery-backed clock is any kind of source of entropy, also.) 1072927;1427400535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17263 @ 0.00026256 = 4.5326 BTC [-] 1072928;1427400674;nubbins`;i had to double check the pcb last night when your rtc0 init failed 1072929;1427400690;asciilifeform;i did warn. 1072930;1427400700;asciilifeform;the rtc is actually there, and worked under arch iirc 1072931;1427400704;asciilifeform;but it has no battery power 1072932;1427400712;nubbins`;wa.. oh, yes 1072933;1427400758;nubbins`;put another way, do not solder a battery holder into your pogo and use it as a wallet, either 8) 1072934;1427400787;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2015#989978 1072935;1427400787;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2015 05:51:18; mircea_popescu: holy hell a sane engineer. 1072936;1427400926;nubbins`;hm, good info, pin 1072937;1427400954;asciilifeform;pin? 1072938;1427401031;nubbins`;try !s from:nubbins` some time 1072939;1427401183;Adlai;!s pin from:nubbins` 1072940;1427401184;assbot;12 results for 'pin from:nubbins`' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pin+from%3Anubbins%60 1072941;1427401330;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#393640 nubbins` obv meant this 1072942;1427401330;assbot;Logged on 26-11-2013 16:54:13; nubbins`: floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen' 1072943;1427401352;nubbins`;ha 1072944;1427401354;nubbins`;natch! 1072945;1427401385;nubbins`;alf just triggered one of my snowcrash zone-outs 1072946;1427401580;*;Adlai watches a snail crawl across the edge of a razor 1072947;1427401754;asciilifeform;'Note that telnetd won't auto-start on boot because of securilty concerns 1072948;1427401754;asciilifeform;- until user manually starts telnetd while connected via serial console 1072949;1427401754;asciilifeform;there's no chance for unexpected root access to the target (this is 1072950;1427401754;asciilifeform;especially true if root has no password set - which is by defult).' 1072951;1427401762;asciilifeform;^ shitgnomery disguised as 'seeek000rity' 1072952;1427401772;asciilifeform;'we'll tie your hands for your own good' 1072953;1427401803;jurov;don't see a problem there. once telnet starts, root access is no longer unexpected. 1072954;1427401896;asciilifeform;jurov: how do you propose to log in to the box ? 1072955;1427401931;BingoBoingo;"Must be a heavy dude," Griffin said, "to have all these police come out." >> http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-man-threatened-to-kill-police-rigged-home-with/article_cf037dda-dd90-5959-b84f-80f59f7403e3.html 1072956;1427401933;assbot;St. Louis man threatened to kill police, rigged home with booby traps, court documents say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/19nUD62 ) 1072957;1427401961;asciilifeform;all the above means is that buildroot deliberately fucked up the build system to make it extremely inconvenient to add it to the default init 1072958;1427402031;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: robot with shotgun 1072959;1427402039;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: afaik a first in official media photo ? 1072960;1427402060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110600 @ 0.00025498 = 28.2008 BTC [-] 1072961;1427402072;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It just might be the first 1072962;1427402081;asciilifeform;qntra ? 1072963;1427402103;asciilifeform;and cache plz 1072964;1427402106;asciilifeform;esp. of the photo. 1072965;1427402227;asciilifeform;linked video has the thing roll about 1072966;1427402235;asciilifeform;good shots of bot with different smalls arms mounted 1072967;1427402253;asciilifeform;nothing in the text about this, naturally 1072968;1427402276;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu guess what usg's response to 'solzhenitsyn's axe' is, aha. 1072969;1427402276;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1072970;1427402375;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7NOO4lYGc 1072971;1427402376;assbot;ICOR EOD/SWAT Robot - Firing Shotgun - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/19nVbsH ) 1072972;1427402417;asciilifeform;looks similar, but not quite same, yes 1072973;1427402477;asciilifeform;'The informant said he had known Hagler for more than 30 years. Hagler had a seething hatred for his ex-wife and was becoming more agitated after events in Ferguson and because he believed he would lose his homes in St. Louis for not paying taxes, according to court documents. A second informant said the tone of his views against government....' 1072974;1427402487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93650 @ 0.00025968 = 24.319 BTC [+] 1072975;1427402530;asciilifeform;expect this kind of policing to become sop 1072976;1427402559;asciilifeform;that is, heavily-armoured box shows up with puppeteer, who controls (via radio or fiber) several deathbots 1072977;1427402633;asciilifeform;one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture 1072978;1427402673;asciilifeform;still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ? 1072979;1427402848;BingoBoingo;Imma watch the video and try to screencap the variety of arms 1072980;1427404012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178850 @ 0.00024803 = 44.3602 BTC [-] {3} 1072981;1427404996;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins` 1072982;1427405000;BingoBoingo;!up jordandotdev 1072983;1427405171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115157 @ 0.00024502 = 28.2158 BTC [-] 1072984;1427405285;jurov;http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/02/23/fidor-bank-and-bitcoin-de-launch-bitcoin-express-trading-system/ 1072985;1427405286;assbot;FIDOR Bank and Bitcoin.de launch Bitcoin Express trading system | BitcoinBlog.de - das Blog für Bitcoin und andere virtuelle Währungen ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkclVF ) 1072986;1427405306;jurov;" is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that? 1072987;1427406696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00025621 = 13.8738 BTC [+] 1072988;1427407259;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ 1072989;1427407260;assbot;Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCSPSI ) 1072990;1427407520;BingoBoingo;^ Picture in article is larger than when displayed with the text 1072991;1427407987;asciilifeform;084ace0c578a4920a4cad59e426165b180fd8b1e170e9da406772bf1546208abc63d8b101fa63b9152d2003a816b4309203bbd391e434302830a3de3eab2dddc turdel_with_telnet.gz 1072992;1427407991;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/14928d833dfd20e18ce340276c8dfb1c/tumblr_nl7g0yecQf1tulo74o1_500.jpg 1072993;1427407992;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCUnMh ) 1072994;1427408011;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel_with_telnet.gz 1072995;1427408016;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers! 1072996;1427408032;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not a bad deal, but meh, spend 35k on this thing ? 1072997;1427408042;asciilifeform;this turdel will 1) boot and dhcp 2) start a suicidal telnet that goes straight into a root shell 1072998;1427408053;asciilifeform;still no sata support - but this is enough to begin testing 1072999;1427408056;asciilifeform;of bitcoind, for example. 1073000;1427408069;mircea_popescu;"Police report at EU national police agencies, extensively discussing CIA-Wikipedia-Google media control crimes, of which the CIA-Snowden fraud is part." 1073001;1427408082;mircea_popescu;can you retro-translate this via your russian dictionary to actual english ? 1073002;1427408087;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was just about to! 1073003;1427408094;asciilifeform;he meant 'report to police' 1073004;1427408098;asciilifeform;written by himself 1073005;1427408106;mircea_popescu;himself = snowden ? 1073006;1427408110;asciilifeform;nono 1073007;1427408113;asciilifeform;sachs 1073008;1427408128;mircea_popescu;so some guy wrote some things on a piece of paper about what he heard on the news and submitted this to his local police station ? 1073009;1427408129;asciilifeform;'police report at' == 'report written to police' 1073010;1427408141;asciilifeform;and word 'police' here meant very loosely 1073011;1427408169;asciilifeform;anyway, document in question is a piece of nuttery containing, if you put it through a juice extractor, some very sensible hypotheses 1073012;1427408178;asciilifeform;i'd squeeze them out myself, but no time at present 1073013;1427408188;asciilifeform;did paste in some of the highlights. 1073014;1427408194;mircea_popescu;aha ima look in logs then 1073015;1427408215;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, punkman, nubbins`, anyone else with a non-serialport pogov4 - new kernel that you can try. 1073016;1427408220;asciilifeform;(see earlier) 1073017;1427408240;asciilifeform;it is able to use usb storage and sd 1073018;1427408259;asciilifeform;not yet sata, though i am still unable to figure out why (CONFIG_SATA_MV is set) 1073019;1427408319;nubbins`;mircea_popescu there's also then the issue of where to stash them etc 1073020;1427408425;nubbins`;anyway, now ya know how much that many of em costs 8) 1073021;1427408672;mircea_popescu;afaik danielpbarron resolved that, but srsly, 3k seems at this point excessive. bitcoin hasn't had that many nodes since i dunno, 2012. 1073022;1427408685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if parachuting, must take into account yield 1073023;1427408691;asciilifeform;that is, how many will actually reach good home 1073024;1427408694;asciilifeform;once deployed 1073025;1427408695;mircea_popescu;quite. 1073026;1427408703;mircea_popescu;so far i think we're well supplied for that. 1073027;1427408723;mircea_popescu;but it does put your 101 or 202 to actually 3001+ 1073028;1427408742;asciilifeform;minus however many usg buys now that we said this. 1073029;1427408746;asciilifeform;to sink into the sea 1073030;1427408757;mircea_popescu;lmao 1073031;1427408804;mircea_popescu;an usg that *cares*. wouldn't that be a sight. 1073032;1427408820;asciilifeform;brb meatspace excursion 1073033;1427408940;mircea_popescu;fluffypony lol has that derp actually sold any o'reilly tomes ? or we not talking about how product fails at the one fucking job product had ? 1073034;1427409009;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072329 << imo the assumptions are very weak. 1073035;1427409009;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 10:48:35; jurov: http://cs-people.bu.edu/heilman/eclipse/ 1073036;1427409017;fluffypony;lol 1073037;1427409019;mircea_popescu;for one thing, the "node identified by ip" thing we discussed yesterday. 1073038;1427409028;fluffypony;Andreas Spake and Thus it Was 1073039;1427409058;mircea_popescu;to complement what i said then, not only i know of no infrastructure nodes that are reliably identifiable by ip, but i know of no infrastructure nodes that have no vpn access to other nodes. 1073040;1427409091;mircea_popescu;the idea you are going to "monopolize" connections to a node is laughable, as they are all implemented to have hardwired connections you don't get to touch, in a pedestrian, difficult and unwieldy reimplementation of a wot system. 1073041;1427409116;mircea_popescu;moreover, "n confirmation doublespends" still needs you to produce mined blocks of a proper difficulty, which is just as hard as on the main net. 1073042;1427409140;mircea_popescu;in short - this is why academic wankery is called academic wankery. it has all the characteristics of useful work save a few. 1073043;1427409197;mircea_popescu;davout yeah seems it's going for the other moon. 1073044;1427409282;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-floundation-moves-to-dilute-the-bitcoin-brand/ << scam foundation couldn't do more to ruin its own claim to relevancy in the space if it deliberately tried. 1073045;1427409282;assbot;Bitcoin Floundation Moves To Dilute The Bitcoin Brand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCX00L ) 1073046;1427409375;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072359 << wait wut! 1073047;1427409375;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 12:43:53; jurov: but i hope that if mp was scammer, he'd have arranged the situation to not look so forlorn :D 1073048;1427409417;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072370 << yeah, mats was bitching about it like twenty lines up o.O 1073049;1427409417;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 12:50:04; jurov: but small investors that were caught there, talked about it 1073050;1427409441;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGdvgufWEU 1073051;1427409443;assbot;Duck Stampede - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCXpA9 ) 1073052;1427409486;mircea_popescu;dude, ducks rule for stampedes. 1073053;1427409498;mircea_popescu;at least large herbivores lookl like they were basically built for it 1073054;1427409501;mircea_popescu;but... DUCKS ?! 1073055;1427409531;mircea_popescu;omfg millions od fucks! 1073056;1427409534;mircea_popescu;uh... 1073057;1427409592;mircea_popescu;check out the berth thery give cars too. 1073058;1427409618;mircea_popescu;duck computing. 1073059;1427409659;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072387 << people pay to play in a casino too, 1073060;1427409659;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 13:02:41; mike_c: people have to pay to play, what do they need seed money for the game for? 1073061;1427409663;mircea_popescu;what's casino need bankrolls ?! 1073062;1427409774;nubbins`;store sells goods, why you need to start the day with a full register? 1073063;1427409792;nubbins`;8) 1073064;1427409834;mircea_popescu;lol 1073065;1427409839;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072450 << this is uniquely idiotic, btw. 1073066;1427409839;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 14:32:24; nubbins`: with 1 hot dog and 200 brands of frozen pizza, this new food needs a name. 1073067;1427409856;mircea_popescu;first, trying to attack bitcoin with the nonsensical "oh, nothing notable except blockchain technologee" 1073068;1427409872;mircea_popescu;then, once that worked as well as you'd expect, moving on to "oh, nothing notable, many things just like it" ? 1073069;1427409879;mircea_popescu;who comes up with these strats i wonder. 1073070;1427409898;mircea_popescu;alf's lizard hitler seems pretty similar to the original hitler cca 1944. 1073071;1427409907;mircea_popescu;"das war ein befehl!" 1073072;1427409985;mircea_popescu;"Ihr Saurianitet, nichts bedeutet..." 1073073;1427409988;mircea_popescu;"BEFEHL!!1!1" 1073074;1427410104;mircea_popescu;must be crowdsourced. 1073075;1427411196;jurov;sorry, i just had some slanderous moments 1073076;1427411280;jurov;feeling better now. and later today i got an email someone wants to haul considerable amount of stuff from havelol to coinbr. 1073077;1427411403;mircea_popescu;had enough lols ? 1073078;1427411416;mircea_popescu;ayway, i don't mind. questioning is the core of progress! 1073079;1427411515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124541 @ 0.00024503 = 30.5163 BTC [-] {2} 1073080;1427411681;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072482 << this bit is afaik uncontroversial. 1073081;1427411681;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 14:56:44; asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...' 1073082;1427411693;mircea_popescu;heck, i said it in the logs too. 1073083;1427411720;mircea_popescu;the only thing is, i do not believe the degradation of google's model from algorithmic to "algorithmic" to "whatever, we'll just do it by hand" is in any sense cia's work. 1073084;1427411724;mircea_popescu;it's just simple thermodynamics. 1073085;1427411738;mircea_popescu;note the exact same fate of the only similar thing to date : imperial chinese examination. 1073086;1427411751;mircea_popescu;also, originally, an attempt to resolve the "find sites" problem by iteration over the graph. 1073087;1427411780;mircea_popescu;a while later (about the same while later) it was exactly the same thing : "wikipedia at top of all search results because wikipedia at top of all search results". 1073088;1427411826;mircea_popescu;that guardian is an intel asset, and greenwald in particular just gavin in a different color scheme is again uncontroversial. 1073089;1427411851;mircea_popescu;leakers that actually trust the entire press-to-public model are idiots in the first place. 1073090;1427411878;asciilifeform;anybody try 'turdel_with_telnet' ? 1073091;1427411881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00025333 = 13.4012 BTC [+] 1073092;1427411928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: uncontroversial << in #b-a. where else ? 1073093;1427411931;mircea_popescu;that usg courts are a sad joke, again uncontroversial. 1073094;1427411935;mircea_popescu;everywhere i go. 1073095;1427411958;mircea_popescu;"where three thinking people gather" or w/e the soviet expression was 1073096;1427411966;asciilifeform;i would like to visit such a place 1073097;1427411970;asciilifeform;other than #b-a, i mean 1073098;1427411985;mircea_popescu;date more sluts ? 1073099;1427411988;mircea_popescu;the clever sort, i mean. 1073100;1427412016;asciilifeform;100% solid believers in the fishwrap XOR reddit everywhere i've physically set foot in usa. 1073101;1427412046;mircea_popescu;what is the intersection of this everywhere and prefab furniture ? 1073102;1427412056;asciilifeform;prefab ? 1073103;1427412063;mircea_popescu;yes. as in not made of wood. 1073104;1427412067;asciilifeform;ah meant pressboard 1073105;1427412070;mircea_popescu;right 1073106;1427412079;asciilifeform;solid pressboard. 1073107;1427412092;mircea_popescu;well then if it's the whole set maybe not a good set. 1073108;1427412097;asciilifeform;where in usa, outside of antique shop, do you find anything else. 1073109;1427412103;mircea_popescu;in the houses of thinking people. 1073110;1427412111;asciilifeform;in the houses of elderly. 1073111;1427412120;asciilifeform;(of thinking and other kinds) 1073112;1427412121;mircea_popescu;thinking people are rarely under 30. 1073113;1427412126;asciilifeform;try 80 1073114;1427412142;mircea_popescu;not my fault puritans tend to spawn late bloomers. 1073115;1427412142;*;asciilifeform owns some furniture of actual wood, university surplus 1073116;1427412153;*;asciilifeform and of steel 1073117;1427412186;*;mircea_popescu will underscore there's nothing wrong with cheap ikea stuff. what was at stake above was the expectation that a sample with weird homologies may be representative for "the world" 1073118;1427412204;*;asciilifeform makes no claim of 'the world' except as 'world he is able to access' 1073119;1427412216;mircea_popescu;ie, if "all the women you've talked to" spit, and also are not wearing skirts, maybe sample is no good. 1073120;1427412222;mircea_popescu;rather than "women spit" 1073121;1427412291;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but take a piece like http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ 1073122;1427412292;assbot;The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeYlJA ) 1073123;1427412309;asciilifeform;aha ... ? 1073124;1427412316;mircea_popescu;whilke it's arguable if it makes the point more or less persuasively than that thing, nevertheless, it does make it, and who exactly argued with it ? 1073125;1427412360;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: usg appears to have a very strict 'do not engage mircea_popescu on open terrain' rule 1073126;1427412385;mircea_popescu;chomsky actually said that the joe stack grievances are legitimate, and will take over if not tackled. 1073127;1427412389;mircea_popescu;just... none of this is controversial. 1073128;1427412409;asciilifeform;makes specific claims re: who/why of snowden, for instance 1073129;1427412410;mircea_popescu;i mean, sure, it's not watercooler conversation, among 10-20 an hour derps. 1073130;1427412412;mircea_popescu;why would it be ? 1073131;1427412416;asciilifeform;these are 'noncontroversial' ? 1073132;1427412426;mircea_popescu;i thought those were the nutteries we were digging aside. 1073133;1427412459;asciilifeform;unrelated: if we can get bitcoind under 27M, whole orchestra fits into the 32M eeprom found in the 'tripmate' 1073134;1427412462;asciilifeform;and i can do a 'tripmate' port 1073135;1427412470;asciilifeform;!s tripmate 1073136;1427412470;assbot;0 results for 'tripmate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tripmate 1073137;1427412470;mircea_popescu;that'd be interesting. 1073138;1427412473;asciilifeform;!s hootoo 1073139;1427412474;assbot;0 results for 'hootoo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hootoo 1073140;1427412484;mircea_popescu;mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ? 1073141;1427412493;asciilifeform;--- and after we kill the orphans thing 1073142;1427412498;mircea_popescu;right 1073143;1427412499;asciilifeform;tripmate comes with 32M ram 1073144;1427412539;asciilifeform;http://www.hootoo.com/hootoo-tripmate-nano-ht-tm02-wireless-portable-router.html 1073145;1427412541;assbot; Hootoo HT-TM02 Tripmate Nano ... ( http://bit.ly/1OByGRW ) 1073146;1427412542;asciilifeform;i have one here 1073147;1427412546;asciilifeform;with serial port soldered in 1073148;1427412555;asciilifeform;costs approx. same as pogo, for much poorer specs 1073149;1427412558;asciilifeform;but actively produced 1073150;1427412567;asciilifeform;and there are at least 3 chinese clones, roughly similar. 1073151;1427412591;asciilifeform;100M/s ethernet, usb2 for storage, powered by yet another usb jack 1073152;1427412595;mircea_popescu;yeah, it's a step in the right direction 1073153;1427412602;asciilifeform;wireless soldered in though 1073154;1427412604;asciilifeform;and can't be killed 1073155;1427412611;asciilifeform;(part of cpu) 1073156;1427412623;mircea_popescu;not sure this is a drawback. 1073157;1427412627;asciilifeform;it was the single cheapest such box that i was able to locate 1073158;1427412630;mircea_popescu;write your own wireless driver. 1073159;1427412636;asciilifeform;if we must have the radio, let's ad-hoc to neighbors 1073160;1427412637;asciilifeform;aha 1073161;1427412641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has the right idea. 1073162;1427412644;mircea_popescu;you were looking for horrible jobs... this is one. 1073163;1427412654;asciilifeform;actually this is pretty easy 1073164;1427412660;mircea_popescu;oh shutup 1073165;1427412668;*;asciilifeform first paying reverse-engineering job was of a wifi chipset 1073166;1427412676;mircea_popescu;i've not yet seen a good wifi driver. ever. 1073167;1427412685;asciilifeform;'good' means what ? 1073168;1427412694;nubbins`;i was looking at these hooto things the other day 1073169;1427412704;asciilifeform;doesn't go down ? or 'can be proven not to fandango over arbitrary ram with magic packet incoming' 1073170;1427412709;nubbins`;asciilifeform will try turdel tonite/tmrw, meatspace commitments 1073171;1427412715;asciilifeform;nubbins`: gotcha 1073172;1427412718;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform little of this, little of that... 1073173;1427412721;asciilifeform;danielpbarron perhaps can try 1073174;1427412741;nubbins`;you said it'll run from sd, ya? 1073175;1427412749;asciilifeform;nubbins`: it ought to run from anywhere 1073176;1427412752;nubbins`;nod 1073177;1427412756;asciilifeform;nubbins`: because has baked in rootfs 1073178;1427412759;*;nubbins` has one unbricked pogo left 1073179;1427412763;asciilifeform;this is why i built it that way 1073180;1427412770;asciilifeform;(this is -not- what we want in the field ver.) 1073181;1427412774;asciilifeform;it wastes ram 1073182;1427412774;nubbins`;one available, anyway 1073183;1427412789;nubbins`;field ver, rootfs on ext storage 1073184;1427412796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191300 @ 0.00025386 = 48.5634 BTC [+] {2} 1073185;1427412796;nubbins`;whatever that may be 1073186;1427412800;asciilifeform;to try it, spin it up, then see what ip the box got, then telnet there 1073187;1427412806;asciilifeform;drops straight into root shell... 1073188;1427412872;trinque;https://makeupmag.com/wp-content/uploads/images/Rainn-open-head-2_400px.jpg 1073189;1427412873;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeZLUr ) 1073190;1427412998;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072493 << again, same deal. yes buffett came into the fold. this is uncontroversial, and i've said it too. 1073191;1427412998;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 15:04:08; asciilifeform: anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist. 1073192;1427413005;mircea_popescu;but the jumps the guy makes... ? 1073193;1427413059;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072495 << ftr, i get these on my name as well, tho i sure as hell never sent anyone that sort of bs legal request. 1073194;1427413059;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 15:08:26; asciilifeform: 'In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.' 1073195;1427413080;mircea_popescu;this is a purely eu piece of nonsense, however. 1073196;1427413162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136700 @ 0.00024502 = 33.4942 BTC [-] {2} 1073197;1427413193;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072535 << no. i, for instance, was the one that forced the publication of the cables, which they were going to withhold, by publishing the hot archive of romanian-related ones. 1073198;1427413193;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 15:32:26; asciilifeform: was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ? 1073199;1427413364;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/primul/ << that's the discussion at the time, for the curious. 1073200;1427413365;assbot;Primul! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBAAC6 ) 1073201;1427413701;ben_vulpes; no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup << myes, realized this in the shower this am. also question of usernames, keys... 1073202;1427413704;ben_vulpes;KISS, as they say. 1073203;1427413711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112900 @ 0.00025621 = 28.9261 BTC [+] 1073204;1427413744;mircea_popescu;in other news, chirilic tats! http://40.media.tumblr.com/8e539d05ca2b774489e14de7c21501a2/tumblr_nlbeffKDNj1qejludo1_1280.jpg 1073205;1427413745;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBBezB ) 1073206;1427413791;mircea_popescu;(protip : "onlyallfours" is a very bad idea, especially on hard floors. bursitis is at thing, if you give a horse shoes to protect hooves from hard pavement, might as well give the slavegirls kneepads.) 1073207;1427413809;*;trinque goes for the tatted up look 1073208;1427413833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95450 @ 0.00025621 = 24.4552 BTC [+] 1073209;1427414076;mircea_popescu;"Can you tell me what you're wanting to do with them? " ?<< lol nubbins` got teh usms curious nao 1073210;1427414092;mircea_popescu;"you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?! FU NOT SELLING THEM NAO" 1073211;1427414125;BingoBoingo;Ycombinator criticism cranks up http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/26/tone_it_down.php 1073212;1427414126;assbot;Tone It Down. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf3XDV ) 1073213;1427414147;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha. hence telnet without any authentication at all. 1073214;1427414169;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol anyone told him he's poor yet ? 1073215;1427414192;BingoBoingo;He's well aware of it he seems 1073216;1427414236;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072569 << the intrinsic problem with "look at all these people killed by tb, clearly tb can not be cured, if those people really had tb they wouldn't be walking around" is that well... tb is in fact a curable disease. 1073217;1427414236;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 15:54:27; asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?) 1073218;1427414244;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cables << what do those have to do with snowden ? 1073219;1427414253;mircea_popescu;to imagine the usg, or for that matter any bureaucracy like a PERSON rather than like a disease is imo to be very, very wrong 1073220;1427414257;mircea_popescu;and in a fundamental way. 1073221;1427414259;asciilifeform;i mean, sachs thinks they're part of the same chumpatron, yes 1073222;1427414275;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from what i understand the theory we're discussing, they'd be all the same thing ? 1073223;1427414279;mircea_popescu;right. 1073224;1427414397;asciilifeform;"you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?!... << they easily could. not with the 20MB blocks, no, but with the 20MB (and whatever the hell else satanic strange) -enabled- and waiting to get flooded 1073225;1427414400;asciilifeform;yes, they could. 1073226;1427414424;mircea_popescu;back to the usg-tb thing : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case." 1073227;1427414435;asciilifeform;and they will have every living thing that reads reddit convinced that they invented it, too. 1073228;1427414464;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ? << the current statically linked bitcoind is 5.6mb is that what you mean? 1073229;1427414487;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they will, to ~their detriment~. i'm not sure this is getting through, or that im doing a good job of explaining it, but in fact such victories are more expensive than the respective defeats they supposedly keep one from. 1073230;1427414495;mircea_popescu;mod6 that's what i mean. 1073231;1427414508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is rather unclear to me where the detriment is coming from. 1073232;1427414524;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, prepare for a lengthy explanation then. 1073233;1427414524;asciilifeform;if tomorrow a white van picks up the remaining 5000 (?) pogos, how do 'we win' ? 1073234;1427414528;*;asciilifeform prepared 1073235;1427414534;mircea_popescu;suppose you are in a room, with women. there's 100 of them. 1073236;1427414570;mircea_popescu;they're all naked and dripping. suppose that someone for whatever stupid reason does not want you to fuck, because they imagine this is how you don't get to kill them. 1073237;1427414585;mircea_popescu;now, the reason this is stupid, on multiple planes, we won't dsiscuss here, for space. 1073238;1427414609;mircea_popescu;BUT! if the solution they come up with is to make an artefact which convinces 99% of the women sorted by stupidity that they shouldn't fuck you, 1073239;1427414622;mircea_popescu;while also providing sufficient proof for 1% that in fact someone's trying to interfere 1073240;1427414630;mircea_popescu;this artefact is actually your best bet. 1073241;1427414638;mircea_popescu;that make sense ? 1073242;1427414645;asciilifeform;it almost begins to 1073243;1427414659;mod6;huh, the statically linked binary is between 5.6 and 5.2mb. On my x86_64 builds it was often around 5.6mb. i just pulled up my paste from the debian x86_32 bit build (http://dpaste.com/1YQR1W7), here's 5.2mb. and yesterday on gentoo x86_32 it was 5.6mb. 1073244;1427414662;mircea_popescu;so, filling reddit with apparently correct but actually provably falsifiable nonsense is not something that concerns me. 1073245;1427414664;asciilifeform;but as i understand, it resolves to 'they have lost the mandate of heaven, will be defeated eventually' 1073246;1427414664;mircea_popescu;it HELPS me. 1073247;1427414672;mircea_popescu;one direction, yes. 1073248;1427414684;mircea_popescu;the other direction being that you DO NOT WISH the attenntion of most of those women. 1073249;1427414686;mircea_popescu;some smell bad. 1073250;1427414687;mircea_popescu;some are ugly. 1073251;1427414696;mircea_popescu;NOT having to turn them down personally is empowering for you. 1073252;1427414697;asciilifeform;the nonsense on reddit does nothing - granted 1073253;1427414701;asciilifeform;but let's address the van. 1073254;1427414706;mircea_popescu;imagine a device that kept paul atreides from having to fight all the idiot freemen. 1073255;1427414709;mircea_popescu;WORTH GOLD 1073256;1427414712;asciilifeform;l0l 1073257;1427414725;mircea_popescu;and there's more directions. 1073258;1427414738;mircea_popescu;as to van : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case." 1073259;1427414752;asciilifeform;say van picks'em up. this gives us no useful 'smoking gun' beyond 'sorry chaps, they all sold out last night. no, can't tell ya who bought' 1073260;1427414768;mircea_popescu;people who go "sure, whatever. make sure you have good AP and check the vests" are not the target of this sort of bs. 1073261;1427414840;mircea_popescu;the weird thing about the situaiton of usg particularly, and of usg-likes (ie, most cancer) is that "everything is only intended to be used in the situations it wasn't designed to be used". 1073262;1427414854;mircea_popescu;air superiority not useful in air engagement, but in political engagement sort of bs. 1073263;1427414870;mircea_popescu;if air superiority comes to air engagement, walks away with so many broken arms it's not worth thinking about. 1073264;1427414916;mircea_popescu;this is why all the ridiculous military failures of the us since vietnam : it built an army which is only useful as an army if NOT fighting. 1073265;1427414935;asciilifeform;it is also, apparently, quite useful for rocketing unarmed men in their sleep 1073266;1427414948;asciilifeform;and occupation of own cities (see boston) 1073267;1427414959;asciilifeform;and many other interesting things which have yet to be demoed 1073268;1427414969;mircea_popescu;sorta like a parade army. exactly what the italians had, right before the risorgimento. 1073269;1427414984;mircea_popescu;right, but none of which are what an army is actually for. 1073270;1427414994;mircea_popescu;the us army makes excellent police and screwdrivers. bully for it. 1073271;1427415013;asciilifeform;the equipment (and selected men) steadily gets transfered to police (soon to be unified gendarmerie) forces 1073272;1427415027;asciilifeform;who are actually trained for the kind of thing that it's all ultimately for 1073273;1427415029;mircea_popescu;if your crazy genius lab consisted of shitty hot tweezers that made good sandwiches and very bad vacuum pumps that sang a capella i'd think you're uniquely ineffectual. 1073274;1427415030;asciilifeform;see BingoBoingo's link 1073275;1427415091;mircea_popescu;and if THAT were your lab, i wouldn't particularly be persuaded by "no tb cure could exist" type of arguments. 1073276;1427415112;mircea_popescu;because what, if it did exist you'd lunge at it with your waffle making hot tweezers ? 1073277;1427415123;asciilifeform;so, running with this line of thought, what might we expect 'the cure' to look like? 1073278;1427415149;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is ALSO not controversial - virtually half of all material prepared by the bureaucracy states in one form or another that they're "not prepared for this type of challenge" 1073279;1427415158;mircea_popescu;it's true : they haven't yet made a thing for something else to use for this. 1073280;1427415193;mircea_popescu;the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline. 1073281;1427415260;mircea_popescu;as long as it's clear to the da that a court showdown will end his career, you're practically unprosecutable, no matter what you do. as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths, you're un-opable, no matter what you do. etc etc. 1073282;1427415274;mircea_popescu;the entire construction has very speciffic dead points, and they're anything but secret. 1073283;1427415335;mircea_popescu;swedish military doctrine, notably, is constructed around the core concept that they do not aim to defend the country, they aim to make invasion economically unfeasible. that is all. 1073284;1427415361;asciilifeform;as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths << this is possible if living in a bunker 1073285;1427415369;mircea_popescu;this does not work against ideologically motivated adversaries, but it works against bureaucracies something splendid. there's always another fire to put out. 1073286;1427415378;asciilifeform;if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up 1073287;1427415386;asciilifeform;what is one to do, wear trotyl vest ? 1073288;1427415387;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, this is possible if maintaining decent op security. 1073289;1427415400;mircea_popescu;yes, if you must do that, wear vest might work. 1073290;1427415433;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: make invasion economically unfeasible << you may be thinking of the swiss 1073291;1427415439;mircea_popescu;but for as long as the "how do they know it's not really an ambush ?" question has an obvious and correct answer, you already failed. 1073292;1427415455;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik swiss defend themselves by "neutrality" 1073293;1427415469;asciilifeform;not exactly. 1073294;1427415495;mircea_popescu;they installed a bunch of autobatteries and shitnow ? /me's not been keeping up. 1073295;1427415506;asciilifeform;spent quite a bit during cold war 1073296;1427415509;asciilifeform;not sure about now 1073297;1427415513;asciilifeform;and trained decently. 1073298;1427415656;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up << a ro guy famously caught a coupla "secret agents" tailing him in traffic, beat them up (romanian tradition) took them to police station. 1073299;1427415661;mircea_popescu;huge scandal ensued. 1073300;1427415683;asciilifeform;http://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Personal/Books/McPhee-Place-Concorde-Suisse << book 1073301;1427415690;asciilifeform;on .ch army org 1073302;1427415693;asciilifeform;^ pretty good 1073303;1427415718;mircea_popescu;cost teh ro govt millions to try and wash it up, eventually was more or less forgotten. but finding agents willing to tail that guy was difficult for years after. 1073304;1427415724;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that'd work about as well here as it would in peak nazi de 1073305;1427415731;mircea_popescu;it would work splendidly. 1073306;1427415736;asciilifeform;they'd demolish the street where you stood. 1073307;1427415738;mircea_popescu;good. 1073308;1427415744;mircea_popescu;there's going to be a demolished street bearing your name. 1073309;1427415746;asciilifeform;we in fact saw this play out 1073310;1427415748;asciilifeform;in boston 1073311;1427415756;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1073312;1427415761;asciilifeform;and what result ? 1073313;1427415775;mircea_popescu;major losses for teh usg. 1073314;1427415781;asciilifeform;i dun see it. 1073315;1427415787;mircea_popescu;maybe our optics differ. 1073316;1427415793;asciilifeform;they evidently must 1073317;1427415814;mircea_popescu;maybe it's because you're trying to use some sort of subjective scoring it occurs to me 1073318;1427415826;mircea_popescu;ie, "what the participant thinks happens matters". 1073319;1427415832;asciilifeform;not exactly 1073320;1427415839;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, a junkie managing to score a hit is in fact +ev. 1073321;1427415845;mircea_popescu;he will act as if he is, yes. but... he's not. 1073322;1427415853;asciilifeform;say i'm a generic schmuck living in berlin in march, this day in '43 1073323;1427415856;trinque;isn't the demolished street only helpful if there are onlookers who care? 1073324;1427415862;asciilifeform;it looks mostly normal 1073325;1427415866;mircea_popescu;trinque no. the street was in fact demolished. 1073326;1427415867;asciilifeform;but stalingrad happened 1073327;1427415870;asciilifeform;show me the stalingrad 1073328;1427415876;trinque;mircea_popescu: right, but I recall joe stack day 1073329;1427415886;trinque;and the ratio of people reacting sanely to not 1073330;1427415887;mircea_popescu;trinque good for you. not particularly relevant to him. 1073331;1427415892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun follow. 1073332;1427415899;trinque;maybe the ratio's irrelevant 1073333;1427415903;asciilifeform;where are the -real- cracks in the reich 1073334;1427415910;mircea_popescu;they had to demolish a street ? 1073335;1427415943;asciilifeform;and what, they are to go broke from paving a street? 1073336;1427415944;mircea_popescu;i can trivially send pizza to the "secret" subsecretary of state for whatever, and he's stuck wondering how i know ? 1073337;1427415949;mircea_popescu;yes, actually. 1073338;1427415981;asciilifeform;the damage from tsarnavev & tsarnaev was roughly comparable to a small 'pile up' wreck on the highway. 1073339;1427415985;asciilifeform;not even rounding error. 1073340;1427415986;mircea_popescu;there is no undertaking more expensive than that pavement job. 1073341;1427416008;asciilifeform;so perhaps 'demolished a street' is exaggerated 1073342;1427416018;mircea_popescu;i disagree. 1073343;1427416049;mircea_popescu;let's take the cheapest way out. familiar wit hthe guy whose name history has lost (:P) that set fire to the whatever so his name may be remembered ? 1073344;1427416059;asciilifeform;herostratus aha 1073345;1427416065;asciilifeform;that worked once. 1073346;1427416068;asciilifeform;(exactly once) 1073347;1427416075;mircea_popescu;familiar with the (afaik also uncontroversial) theory that the us is a nation of narcisists ? 1073348;1427416081;asciilifeform;aha 1073349;1427416093;mircea_popescu;does it seem to you a reasonable plan to demolish streets in this atmosphere ? 1073350;1427416110;asciilifeform;sure, when you're working with -cowardly- and -imbecilic- narcissists 1073351;1427416116;mircea_popescu;you think that matters ? 1073352;1427416121;trinque;seems easy to convince the narcissist it's "not him" 1073353;1427416124;trinque;would never be him 1073354;1427416129;trinque;because he's not one of "those people" 1073355;1427416132;asciilifeform;who take three steps and (fail to) blow (themselves) up with a (fake) rocket sold to them by usg. 1073356;1427416146;mircea_popescu;trinque understand something : if one million people becomes 1% more likely to lie on their taxes, 1073357;1427416153;mircea_popescu;the government has lost 3-4% of its revenue. 1073358;1427416153;asciilifeform;because 'friend of 30 years' vouched for the broker 1073359;1427416186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're neglecting the only important thing here, which is the actual fine points of the relationship between the abused wife and her husband. 1073360;1427416190;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh no. they take it out of the captive tax cows - sales, shrinkflation, outright moneyprinter 1073361;1427416198;mircea_popescu;that does not work. 1073362;1427416205;mircea_popescu;for a government to survive, it must actually have support. 1073363;1427416218;asciilifeform;rock solid support from the cattle 1073364;1427416225;trinque;mircea_popescu: there are militia groups around calling themselves "three percenters" 1073365;1427416225;mircea_popescu;the fake shows of support (you are charlie, really ?) do not help. 1073366;1427416227;trinque;that kind of thing? 1073367;1427416238;mircea_popescu;trinque no particular kind of thing. 1073368;1427416247;asciilifeform;trinque: the 'militia' thing is solid usg provocateurism from day one 1073369;1427416256;asciilifeform;trinque: judging by the results 1073370;1427416256;mircea_popescu;if anyone is curious enough, please to read the gorbachev diaries after his 87 visit in romania. 1073371;1427416273;mircea_popescu;very short story here : ceausescu made old style, stalinist-like show of how supported he is 1073372;1427416285;mircea_popescu;trying to finesse himself into a senior adviser role for gorby 1073373;1427416290;mircea_popescu;this amused the russian to no end. 1073374;1427416369;mircea_popescu;but that aside, it all boils down to the ancient (here and iirc on trilema too) "what's the devil have to pay you to love him" thing. 1073375;1427416381;asciilifeform;the sovblok fell down with nato holding a seemingly soft (in reality not so much) cushion under its arse as it fell 1073376;1427416392;asciilifeform;nobody is playing that role for usg 1073377;1427416399;mircea_popescu;aha 1073378;1427416402;asciilifeform;the buggers know that 'it'll be their necks' 1073379;1427416409;asciilifeform;in the way that gorby didn't 1073380;1427416410;mircea_popescu;what does their knowledge matter ? 1073381;1427416413;mircea_popescu;they know they suck, now. 1073382;1427416417;mircea_popescu;what can they do ? 1073383;1427416429;mircea_popescu;take a simple thing : they all know ms is shit. 1073384;1427416433;mircea_popescu;what can any one do to fix this ? 1073385;1427416439;mircea_popescu;still using it. 1073386;1427416443;mircea_popescu;still shit. 1073387;1427416450;mircea_popescu;and i can send them pizza, and they have to wonder how i know. 1073388;1427416458;mircea_popescu;and they go to work... and there it is. MICROSOFT BOOTING NAO. 1073389;1427416462;mircea_popescu;and yet... what can they do ? 1073390;1427416476;asciilifeform;it 'works' for them in the sense that no nsa-crypto directorate leaks. no meaningful cia leaks. perhaps they use 'underwood' typewriters instead of microshit ? 1073391;1427416482;mircea_popescu;part of a system is part of a system is part of a system. 1073392;1427416482;asciilifeform;damned if i know. but it 'works' 1073393;1427416498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if it didn't how'd you know ? 1073394;1427416511;mircea_popescu;the german public didn't know about the enigma leaks. 1073395;1427416519;asciilifeform;if it didn't in the same sense of 'didn't' as elsewhere in usg, i would know 1073396;1427416521;asciilifeform;or at least suspect 1073397;1427416545;mircea_popescu;the fact that you don't is perhaps one of the most perplexing characteristics of your otherwise amply perplexing persona. 1073398;1427416556;mircea_popescu;at least in my head. 1073399;1427416560;asciilifeform;that don't what 1073400;1427416565;*;asciilifeform even more confused 1073401;1427416565;mircea_popescu;at least suspect. 1073402;1427416574;asciilifeform;well admittedly, i suspect many things 1073403;1427416579;mircea_popescu;but not this ? 1073404;1427416584;asciilifeform;but some with better grounding than others 1073405;1427416611;asciilifeform;let's say herr buffet's winblows machine, where he keeps tabs with his lizard commander, was owned. 1073406;1427416623;mircea_popescu;but this strawman is in no case how it'd work is it. 1073407;1427416638;asciilifeform;there is not a public display of this. ergo 'pwner' did not see it fit to do this. 1073408;1427416643;mircea_popescu;uh. 1073409;1427416646;mircea_popescu;let's have a better model. 1073410;1427416663;nubbins`;re: field pogos 1073411;1427416674;asciilifeform;nubbins`: aha? 1073412;1427416685;nubbins`;what's the LED gonna do for two weeks while the thing downloads and indexes blocks? 8) 1073413;1427416690;asciilifeform;nubbins`: blink. 1073414;1427416720;trinque;not trying to derail what's an excellent convo without me; is for example the ease with which us politicians are bought by *any* paying interest relevant here? 1073415;1427416724;nubbins`;but that's what a bricked pogo does as well 1073416;1427416751;asciilifeform;nubbins`: that's because u-boot sets it a'blinking by default 1073417;1427416754;asciilifeform;nubbins`: easily fixed 1073418;1427416760;nubbins`;a-haa 1073419;1427416761;trinque;seems the whole military side can't be considered in absence of the side which can't form one coherent thought 1073420;1427416768;nubbins`;i'm just musing about indications of progress 1073421;1427416778;nubbins`;a blink isn't communicating much 1073422;1427416781;trinque;what admittedly worries me is an event where the military side detaches from the braindead side entirely 1073423;1427416785;trinque;not sure what happens after that 1073424;1427416790;mircea_popescu;so, i am a famously grandiose master of women. and a junior girl aspiring one day to the grandiose status of being my slave goes with me and some of the girls to the opera. lights go off, the girls take off their tops all matter-of-course like. she follows suit. why ? and then, afterwards, we discuss it over coffee and cookies. they are enamoured with it. so is she. why ? her "tabs" haven't been leaked, right ? what if 1073425;1427416791;mircea_popescu; the stripping is something we agreed aforehand to do just to see what her reaction is ? 1073426;1427416793;mircea_popescu;better model ^ 1073427;1427416839;mircea_popescu;trinque honestly, this is why i believe the arming of police units with military stock is even done. it makes sense from a "after the end" perspective : you want two mostly balanced forces, because that's your best chance at more or less peaceful stability. 1073428;1427416851;trinque;yes exactly that 1073429;1427416860;mircea_popescu;note how it follows quite exactly the cure blueprint discussed above. 1073430;1427416873;jurov;;;later tell nubbins` key added 1073431;1427416873;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1073432;1427416877;nubbins`;tyvm! 1073433;1427416935;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: really it is done to make the idea of meaningful (as opposed to merely suicidal; so they hose off the pavement & everybody goes back to work) resistance less and less thinkable 1073434;1427416952;asciilifeform;that robot was publicly displayed for a reason 1073435;1427416961;mircea_popescu;i have mydoubts. 1073436;1427416962;*;nubbins` sends mail, crosses digits 1073437;1427416975;mircea_popescu;the notion that "sucidal resistence" is deterring anyone has had so much debunking recently... 1073438;1427416989;nubbins`;ehh they used the robot because enough of the cops were scared enough 1073439;1427416993;mircea_popescu;^ 1073440;1427416998;mircea_popescu;it sends exactly the opposite message. 1073441;1427417003;nubbins`;there's this famous guy here, leo crockwell. put a gun to his sister's head a few years ago 1073442;1427417007;mircea_popescu;we discussed some time ago the problem with decimation, re shot cops. 1073443;1427417015;nubbins`;cops, having dealt with (and been embarassed by) the guy in the past, descend 1073444;1427417024;nubbins`;he barricades self, cops bring out robot. 1073445;1427417028;asciilifeform;the robot is a logical step to the escalation of usg police practice 1073446;1427417037;asciilifeform;used to be they'd politely ask you to come to the station 1073447;1427417048;asciilifeform;today, breaking down door at 3am and barrel in your mouth is NORMAL 1073448;1427417049;mircea_popescu;just like the cataphract is a logical step to the escalation of ... THE END OF FEUDALISM! 1073449;1427417066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35725 @ 0.00025621 = 9.1531 BTC [+] 1073450;1427417071;jurov;nubbins`: gpg: invalid dash escaped line: -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wformat $(DEBUGFLAGS) $(DEFS) $(INCLUDEPATHS)\n 1073451;1427417073;jurov;gpg: BAD signature from "Jonathan E. Keefe " [unknown] 1073452;1427417075;nubbins`;he shoots at robot, cops try smoke bombs, then thousands of gallons of water from fire hoses (!!!) 1073453;1427417088;nubbins`;guy escapes out window during a shift change and hitchhikes back to town undetected. 1073454;1427417092;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha 1073455;1427417094;nubbins`;picked up buying smokes 3 hours later. 1073456;1427417098;mircea_popescu;shift changes :D 1073457;1427417102;jurov;looks like outlook wordwrapped or otherwise mutilated it 1073458;1427417117;nubbins`;jurov gmail but same fate regardless. sec 1073459;1427417122;asciilifeform;^ 1073460;1427417142;nubbins`;there you go 1073461;1427417155;nubbins`;anyway the guy then fires like 5 public defenders, goes on to represent himself 1073462;1427417165;nubbins`;makes the province spend countless tens of thousands 1073463;1427417174;nubbins`;i think they're making a movie about him now. 1073464;1427417179;jurov;same error. 1073465;1427417188;nubbins`;wat! "plain text mode" 1073466;1427417204;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's approach this in perhaps a more comprehensible set of terms. end of the world situation, you're behind a wall of sand sacks, enemy behind another. you got two guys left with you, was a full regiment at some point. enemy, unknown. 1073467;1427417229;mircea_popescu;that the enemy starts suddenly firing like mad is not indicative of his strength. for one thing, bullets are scarce. for the other thing, fear is the end of this game. 1073468;1427417263;jurov;nubbins`: a) send to yourself, check. b) leave text aempty and attach known good clearsigned stuff as .txt 1073469;1427417313;asciilifeform;i don't see the fear component here 1073470;1427417320;mircea_popescu;or in another approach, "asciilifeform:'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, " << we are similarly asked to believe the cia story that the us is doing zero against saudi arabia, which... you know ? or whoever else off a long list. they're not doing zero, they're doing "their best", which is what it is. 1073471;1427417326;mircea_popescu;oft evaluates to zero. 1073472;1427417332;nubbins`;ooo bad sig, looky loo. sec. 1073473;1427417343;asciilifeform;they aren't rolling out the robots because they fear. but to save cost of a few stormtroopers' life insurance 1073474;1427417346;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't see the fear component ? recall teh discussion re buses and the fate of war in afghanistan ? 1073475;1427417359;asciilifeform;and because robot maker (i know exactly who makes it) has an ear in congress 1073476;1427417391;mircea_popescu;these all are the why in the exact sense girl you picked up in a club stiff drunk is havin sex with you because she liked your record collection and loves your hair 1073477;1427417395;nubbins`;yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text 1073478;1427417399;mircea_popescu;not because she went to a club and got herself stiff drunk to be fucked. 1073479;1427417419;mircea_popescu;nubbins` check it out, google can't computer! 1073480;1427417428;asciilifeform;and wai wat, omidyar - or at least his money - could be magicked away in a single hour if usg willed it. 1073481;1427417432;mircea_popescu;orly ? 1073482;1427417437;mircea_popescu;at what cost ? 1073483;1427417439;asciilifeform;big fat deal, flip some bits 1073484;1427417444;mircea_popescu;not how this works. 1073485;1427417449;asciilifeform;they do it to russians all the time 1073486;1427417455;nubbins`;jurov sent 1073487;1427417461;mircea_popescu;not quite. 1073488;1427417483;jurov;nubbins`: yup, there 1073489;1427417525;nubbins`;woo 1073490;1427417540;nubbins`;my first contrib 1073491;1427417555;jurov;no shares for ya, sadly 1073492;1427417556;mircea_popescu;cheers! 1073493;1427417567;asciilifeform;congrats nubbins` 1073494;1427417579;nubbins`;lel oops no subject 1073495;1427417581;mircea_popescu;jurov notice the very heavy bias for she-stuff in b-a ? womanly job gets shares, manly job gets bupkiss 1073496;1427417590;nubbins`;w/e, it'll get picked up in the monthly roundup :D 1073497;1427417601;mircea_popescu;!ban nubbins` monsanto shill 1073498;1427417623;nubbins`;noway dude, do you even log? no monsanto in twodogland 1073499;1427417623;asciilifeform;l0l 1073500;1427417636;mircea_popescu;twodog is such a great name. 1073501;1427417639;mircea_popescu;who invented it, herbi ? 1073502;1427417639;BingoBoingo;Two more stories from Stluz today http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/prosecutor-brooklyn-ill-police-mishandled-evidence-and-towed-cars-for/article_09f92780-0e39-5cba-a677-9f02529ab047.html http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-whose-death-was-ruled-a-suicide-was-actually-killed/article_a95cfc4a-9f96-5ab3-9f0c-00c105ad3569.html 1073503;1427417649;mircea_popescu;fluffypony ? 1073504;1427417649;mircea_popescu;or was it dub ? 1073505;1427417654;nubbins`;i thought it was you! 1073506;1427417657;nubbins`;!s twodogland 1073507;1427417657;assbot;4 results for 'twodogland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogland 1073508;1427417674;nubbins`;wow i really ran with that hey 1073509;1427417694;mircea_popescu;lol 1073510;1427417715;nubbins`;it stays with me 1073511;1427417722;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824310 loller 1073512;1427417722;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2014 13:22:53; mircea_popescu: you mean Two Dogs isn't originally populated by dogs ? 1073513;1427417726;mircea_popescu;but it's such a great name. 1073514;1427417737;nubbins`;heh 1073515;1427417740;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479584 << i think it all started here. 1073516;1427417740;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2014 20:36:16; dub: why is part of canukistan named after two dogs? 1073517;1427417746;nubbins`;ahahaha 1073518;1427417775;nubbins`;"why is this bird made out of KFC?" 1073519;1427417779;mircea_popescu;:D 1073520;1427417800;mircea_popescu;we dub it The Infringer 1073521;1427417809;mircea_popescu;because it naturally infringes the kfc ip. 1073522;1427417828;nubbins`;mcdonald's sues the humble potato after it is revealed it's just a bunch of goddamn fries all stuck together 1073523;1427417835;mircea_popescu;:D 1073524;1427417878;nubbins`;why are all these people spamming the blockchain with bitcoin transactions? 1073525;1427417883;nubbins`;etc 1073526;1427417884;nubbins`;heh 1073527;1427417885;jurov;myeah nubs did the book too "dogs of newfoundland and labrador" or such 1073528;1427417894;mircea_popescu;also coca-cola sues diageo over patent-infringing side effects. 1073529;1427417896;nubbins`;boids, not dogs! 1073530;1427417902;nubbins`;two dogs is a pamphlet at best 1073531;1427417904;mircea_popescu;"it's called CHRISTMAS CHEER GOD DAMNED IT!" 1073532;1427417909;nubbins`;heh 1073533;1427417951;jurov;;;ud boid 1073534;1427417952;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boid | Boid is an anagram for the phrase "blacked out in a ditch." The last two letters can be substituted for any number of different things, such as boib or boor (blacked ... 1073535;1427417960;mircea_popescu;jurov it's east side "bird" 1073536;1427417978;nubbins`;wtf urban dict 1073537;1427417985;nubbins`;birds! 1073538;1427417995;jurov;;;ud boidage 1073539;1427417996;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boidage | boibian · boible · BOIBO · boi boi · Boibrucer · Boibs · boic · Boice · boicee · boich · boichat · boichie · Boichika · Boichuk · boid · boidage · boidar · boid/boyd ... 1073540;1427417997;mircea_popescu;you know that accent mobsters / kids in poor neighbourhood have in 30s, 40s and some 50s movies ? 1073541;1427418089;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072601 << i am especially suspicious of this sort of claim. it's essentially a stereotype and an appeal to ignorance rolled into a mcdonald nugget. 1073542;1427418089;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 16:14:42; asciilifeform: 'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.' 1073543;1427418103;mircea_popescu;"those jews are so obvious! after killing christ, they're now blabla" 1073544;1427418114;asciilifeform;author's style, yes 1073545;1427418117;asciilifeform;but claim - testable 1073546;1427418126;mircea_popescu;only if restated. 1073547;1427418141;mircea_popescu;a claim that's tested in a restated from should be divorced from the original. 1073548;1427418173;asciilifeform;he's talking about carl bernstein 1073549;1427418185;mircea_popescu;no matter. 1073550;1427418196;asciilifeform;http://www.carlbernstein.com << that one 1073551;1427418197;assbot;Carl Bernstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOesBX ) 1073552;1427418208;mircea_popescu;"asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile << mp has insulted women, gays, black people and social workers. clearly he's a fake cia mp pretending to be the real mp. 1073553;1427418209;mircea_popescu;logic wtf. 1073554;1427418240;asciilifeform;i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death' 1073555;1427418246;mircea_popescu;maybe the real snowden is actually idiosyncratic. ya think this is possible ? "nobody did this, except this one guy, but he couldn't have done it because his behaviour is inconsistent" 1073556;1427418247;mircea_popescu;uh... 1073557;1427418281;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at some point a decent argument will be constructable that you "led" some idiot to his death, too. because you know, used cardano after toasting it in pizza oven. 1073558;1427418291;asciilifeform;it probably will be said, yes 1073559;1427418320;asciilifeform;but if it appears to happen to every user, then it will be quite analogous to mr s 1073560;1427418332;mircea_popescu;heck, kakobrekla heard a mouthful over his "leading derps into trying to steal from other bettors" or what was it, the bitbet scam thing. 1073561;1427418341;*;asciilifeform recalls 1073562;1427418377;BingoBoingo; i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death' << The part of citizenfour filmed in Russia seems to support this hypothesis 1073563;1427418440;mircea_popescu;i dunno... 1073564;1427418490;nubbins`;"doc, you can't write everything in bold. bold is for important st..." "GOD DAMMIT IT'S ALL IMPORTANT" 1073565;1427418729;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072613 << anyway, this only works if one's willing to arrange the definition of tangible and interest after the fact. 1073566;1427418729;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 17:21:02; asciilifeform: that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest 1073567;1427418742;mircea_popescu;"this bomb did nothing, inasmuch as it didn't bring down any of the currently standing buildings" 1073568;1427418754;mircea_popescu;by this standard, the wtc bombing also did nothing. 1073569;1427418767;asciilifeform;something like ted turner turning tricks in a bangkok gay bar to buy a bowl of rice every other day - would count 1073570;1427418778;asciilifeform;or a glassed davos 1073571;1427418779;mircea_popescu;sure, we could even argue the collapse was inevitable, and while the particular incident gives it flavour, the us was going to soviet union all over itself anyway. 1073572;1427418794;mircea_popescu;an old man is not going to be a subsistence prostitute. ever. 1073573;1427418798;mircea_popescu;that's a twelve year old trick. 1073574;1427418810;asciilifeform;then begging 1073575;1427418828;mircea_popescu;this by definition : the same thing that'd make you buy hisass (ie, his "personal brand") ensures he has an alternative, however minimal. 1073576;1427418838;mircea_popescu;like you know, sitting bull in that circus act. 1073577;1427418920;mircea_popescu;;;ud yfw 1073578;1427418921;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yfw | yfw you realize every one of the previous definitions are wrong ... "Hey YFW, been trying to call you all day" (A substitute for the friendly form of 'bitch'.) Or.. 1073579;1427418945;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072618 << oddly enough, mp has been doing very little code writing o.O 1073580;1427418945;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 17:22:12; nubbins`: yfw 0.5.3 has a hidden backdoor and both satoshi and mp are complicit! 1073581;1427418957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00025483 = 11.7094 BTC [-] 1073582;1427418980;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072621 << i disagree with this, ftr. it was atrocious. 1073583;1427418980;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 17:23:52; nubbins`: anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards 1073584;1427418995;mircea_popescu;i've not seen anything this damaging to the us foreign interests in the history of the us. 1073585;1427419019;mircea_popescu;and for all the "no lizard interest" high horse : take the cisco collapse. 1073586;1427419025;mircea_popescu;there's numerous examples of very similar things. 1073587;1427419037;nubbins`;urbandict fail again 1073588;1427419044;mircea_popescu;the us has no friends today, principally, because of snowden. 1073589;1427419046;nubbins`;yfw you realize what yfw means 1073590;1427419058;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i got it from context, "your face when 1073591;1427419113;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072626 << yes, but nothing he couldn't (and in all likelyhood didn't) obtain by wikipedia trolling. 1073592;1427419113;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 17:25:05; asciilifeform: sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons. 1073593;1427419186;asciilifeform;is why i said 'connected dots' not 'new leak' 1073594;1427419191;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072639 << using the word "this" in your sentence exposes you to this situation where your line is burried in a different discussion and evaluated while im in the middle of a yet another different discussion, producing a "wut ?" as sole output. 1073595;1427419191;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 17:31:31; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much. But I guess this is not true on OTC WoT? Only in assbot, right? 1073596;1427419224;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me put it this way : given a collection of dots, why would anyone care on the graphs built upon them by anyone not in their wot ? you know this guy ? 1073597;1427419260;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope, he fell from mars. but echoed certain trains of thought that i heretofore encountered only in own head. hence linked. 1073598;1427419306;asciilifeform;also fella has a net presence vastly smaller than what one expects even a very modest crackpot 1073599;1427419336;TomServo;ey folks, got my shipment today http://i.imgur.com/13p8tXK.jpg :D 1073600;1427419337;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOiNoK ) 1073601;1427419337;mircea_popescu;to my head, the phrase aptly describes that piece which goes "contains ad admixture of true and trite, but what isn't trite also isn't true" 1073602;1427419354;mircea_popescu;nice TomServo 1073603;1427419397;TomServo;unfortunately due to poor ebay skills my cp2102 arrive... 'sometime' in april 1073604;1427419439;nubbins`;heh 1073605;1427419450;nubbins`;wd 1073606;1427419514;TomServo;there's been so many links flying around. What's the quickest way to defile one of these after cracking it open? 1073607;1427419515;asciilifeform;!up tris 1073608;1427419532;asciilifeform;TomServo: you don't have to solder the serial port if you're careful 1073609;1427419630;mircea_popescu;TomServo sorta in the middle here, we're just about to have danielpbarron write a noobs manual 1073610;1427419636;mircea_popescu;but the thing stil lin flux 1073611;1427419646;mircea_popescu;prolly stuff in his manual as is closest to what you want 1073612;1427419650;decimation;re: snowden etc. < I think it's hilarious that folks see conspiracy when redditard volunteer would do 1073613;1427419673;asciilifeform;decimation: the state-controlled media fellates him 24/7 1073614;1427419688;mircea_popescu;decimation if nothing else, he has done A LOT to measure the power of the entire "crowd source" "power of the people" etc thing. 1073615;1427419699;jurov;mod6 ben_vulpes where will the manual go? i can put a wiki somewhere 1073616;1427419700;mircea_popescu;THIS is the best angle for him being a conspiraci, a sort of mike hearn of the cia. 1073617;1427419722;mircea_popescu;jurov not best just re-use b-a wiki ? 1073618;1427419725;mircea_popescu;too many wikis... 1073619;1427419728;asciilifeform;and every time he opens mouth, what comes out? 'brave journalists', 'use tor!', etc 1073620;1427419736;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he actually says use gpg. 1073621;1427419742;jurov;kk mircea 1073622;1427419743;mircea_popescu;he very guardedly recomends tor. 1073623;1427419758;*;asciilifeform greps 1073624;1427419763;mircea_popescu;and most of that is guardian rewriting what he actually said. 1073625;1427419773;decimation;re: greewald being on usg payroll < is also hilarious 1073626;1427419781;asciilifeform;does s ever -mention- pgp? 1073627;1427419781;mircea_popescu;(now, that guardian has all through had a very strong "dope it" agenda is true, and quite visible 1073628;1427419787;decimation;the man has the operational acumen of a wet noodle 1073629;1427419789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. pretty much every single speech. 1073630;1427419791;asciilifeform;or merely the fact that one of the documents (not necessarily his) did so 1073631;1427419797;mircea_popescu;pretty.much.every.single.speech. 1073632;1427419815;mircea_popescu;decimation one being inept is almost a requirement for usg payroll. 1073633;1427419816;decimation;mircea_popescu: snowden does discredit 'crowdsourcing' 1073634;1427419835;mircea_popescu;decimation not sure if discredit per se, but it does illustrate its (long suspected) limitations. 1073635;1427419853;mircea_popescu;maddox's "dancing party" thing much more adequate for the demo. 1073636;1427419857;decimation;usg has a small number of non-inept employees 1073637;1427419870;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/architect-of-cias-drone-campaign-to-leave-post-in-watershed-moment-for-agency/2015/03/25/261289ec-d2f7-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html < this is probably what happens to them 1073638;1427419871;assbot;CIA official who directed hunt for bin Laden is being removed from post - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOkH8O ) 1073639;1427419871;mircea_popescu;yeah, because everyone likes to say "present company excluded". 1073640;1427419872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 314392 @ 0.0002502 = 78.6609 BTC [-] {2} 1073641;1427419895;asciilifeform;l0l, this is prelude to death 1073642;1427419901;mircea_popescu;decimation let me guess, he tried to wreck by having the trains overloaded so they will run the tracks down faster ? 1073643;1427419905;asciilifeform;just as they 'training accidented' the -whole fucking crew- 1073644;1427419913;decimation;heh he didn't die 1073645;1427419921;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you see the costs for THAT yet alf ? 1073646;1427419928;mircea_popescu;perhaps in the "we can't send anyone to tikrit" ? 1073647;1427419929;decimation;he was 'promoted' to a 'non-in-charge-of-life-and-death decisions' post 1073648;1427419933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93000 @ 0.00024486 = 22.772 BTC [-] 1073649;1427419933;mircea_popescu;is that a cost you look for and quantify ? 1073650;1427419969;decimation;re: costs < yes, usg is cost constrained, but note that nearly all of it is 'self-imposed damage' 1073651;1427419994;mircea_popescu;well sure, in the sense someone raping himself with a cactus is "self-imposedly damaging his anus" 1073652;1427420008;mircea_popescu;cactus is still spiked. 1073653;1427420023;decimation;usg could fire 90% of its staff, rationalize its tax system, and start colonizing the world 1073654;1427420037;decimation;but the cactus seemed like a better option 1073655;1427420070;mircea_popescu;"could" 1073656;1427420092;decimation;note that snowden saw himself as far less inept than his colleages, and he was probably right 1073657;1427420106;mircea_popescu;wife could stop being a fat bitch and husband could stop ejaculating early and watching the game. 1073658;1427420155;mircea_popescu;us sec could register its wot key with mpex, us fed could announce plans for bitcoin-convertibility of usg, 1073659;1427420161;mircea_popescu;so many coulds so little brainz. 1073660;1427420177;BingoBoingo; does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time 1073661;1427420179;decimation;The effects on most other child outcomes, which include drug consumption, scholastic performance, and skills, can usually be bounded to a tight interval around zero. ^ http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-null-hypothesis-for-income-and-wealth/ 1073662;1427420181;assbot;The Null Hypothesis for Income and Wealth | askblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI3icz ) 1073663;1427420192;mircea_popescu; does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time << exactly apt description. 1073664;1427420200;*;asciilifeform out of date then 1073665;1427420200;decimation;^ writing about winning the swedish lottery 1073666;1427420235;decimation;someone who wins the swedish lottery could be a better person 1073667;1427420247;mircea_popescu;lottery has nothing to do with either income or wealth. 1073668;1427420276;decimation;"Overall, our findings suggest that correlations observed in affluent, developed countries between (i) wealth and health or (ii) parental income and children’s outcomes do not reflect a causal effect of wealth." 1073669;1427420295;decimation;it turns out that a poor bum who wins alot of money is still just a poor bum 1073670;1427420308;asciilifeform;decimation: ^ known around the world 1073671;1427420327;asciilifeform;however, note that maths phd etc. never win lotteries 1073672;1427420330;asciilifeform;(they don't play) 1073673;1427420341;decimation;true 1073674;1427420344;asciilifeform;lottery selects for idiocy 1073675;1427420358;mircea_popescu;lottery is just a very bad model for this sort of research 1073676;1427420390;mircea_popescu;but in general, given the choice between "a flawed study few can recognise as flawed" and "no study", pseudo-scientists readily (and understandably, from a gt perspective) go for the former. 1073677;1427420395;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If your shiva eyes/hands have the time the citizenfour thing doesn't actually promote the innocence of any parties features, but clearly illustrates Greenwald's shitgnommery 1073678;1427420410;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: believe or not, i haven't the time 1073679;1427420417;mircea_popescu;this bias is, incidentally, why "stifling science" is such a suspect cry de guerre. one never nows if it's genuine science being supressed, 1073680;1427420420;BingoBoingo;I believe it 1073681;1427420430;mircea_popescu;or just some of these clock punchers didn't get money for their mortgage. 1073682;1427420438;decimation;possibly, perhaps fat bitches, husbands, secs really can be otherwise 1073683;1427420452;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 100 to 1 it's 'clock punchers' 1073684;1427420459;asciilifeform;the genuine article doesn't have time or microphone to whine 1073685;1427420460;mircea_popescu;decimation and who's paying for the divergence from thermodynamics ? 1073686;1427420487;decimation;well, apparently not the lottery 1073687;1427420493;mircea_popescu;lmao 1073688;1427420504;mircea_popescu;of course not! lottery is an entropic result! thinkaboutit!!11 1073689;1427420518;mircea_popescu;NOTEVEN DOOM MUSIC! in the shape of government handouts 1073690;1427420545;decimation;at least the lottery is voluntary wealth distribution 1073691;1427420547;nubbins`;asciilifeform iirc s tried to teach greenwald gpg and he couldnt figure it out 1073692;1427420551;nubbins`;s had to make a video etc 1073693;1427420556;mircea_popescu;it boggles the mind to try and imagine what this thing that pays for the divergence would look like, 1073694;1427420556;nubbins`;all kidnappy-voiced 1073695;1427420565;mircea_popescu;but i suspect it comes with three different types of cherenkov effect 1073696;1427420584;mircea_popescu;nubbins` btw, i am VERY suspect of people who claim to "not be able to figure it out". 1073697;1427420593;mircea_popescu;either indiancandies or else, assets. 1073698;1427420605;mircea_popescu;in either case... 1073699;1427420620;asciilifeform;usually if someone has the basic nervous system needed to operate the machine at all, he -can- 1073700;1427420623;nubbins`;mircea_popescu email the smartest journalist in .ar and tell em youve got a bombshell, but they need pgp 1073701;1427420626;decimation;note she won the 0.1 btc lottery and apparently thought that nothing else would come of it 1073702;1427420629;nubbins`;$5 says they get someone else to install it for em 1073703;1427420640;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that'd be... brendafdez ? 1073704;1427420649;nubbins`;ahh \o/ 1073705;1427420655;asciilifeform;nubbins`: or generated key at imamoronmakemeakey.com 1073706;1427420657;mircea_popescu;what do i get now ? hm ? :D 1073707;1427420666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00025542 = 20.5741 BTC [+] {2} 1073708;1427420675;nubbins`;an invoice for a thousand pogos? 1073709;1427420681;mircea_popescu;waitwut! 1073710;1427420685;nubbins`;HUE 1073711;1427420697;mircea_popescu;i just sunk your theory! i want a candy! omfg EVERYONE TURNING INTO MP 1073712;1427420699;mircea_popescu;WHY SO MEAN 1073713;1427420707;nubbins`;asciilifeform i'm not normally this slow on the uptake but generally unfamiliar w/ replacing kernels 1073714;1427420722;nubbins`;i've got a, uh. turdel and a pogo 1073715;1427420729;mircea_popescu;shoulda done fewer whippets! 1073716;1427420741;asciilifeform;nubbins`: easiest way to test is to reconfigure it to boot from tftp 1073717;1427420744;asciilifeform;!s tftp 1073718;1427420744;assbot;12 results for 'tftp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tftp 1073719;1427420759;asciilifeform;this is some extra effort vs. stuffing it on usb or sd, but will pay off later 1073720;1427420771;asciilifeform;as it shortens the test loop when you start screwing with it in earnest 1073721;1427420778;asciilifeform;(i'm in the process of making the build replicable) 1073722;1427420894;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072728 << ahahaha o bring me thy log lines! i got one cornered! 1073723;1427420894;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 18:19:18; jurov: no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually *blushes* 1073724;1427420960;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072743 << i wish they'd start publishing these as gpg signed statemewnts. 1073725;1427420960;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 18:40:56; nubbins`: Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders; 1073726;1427420964;mircea_popescu;so you know, one can check these claims 1073727;1427420998;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072753 << you know, this is something a (reasonably unknown) derp can do for himself - just spam a lot. 1073728;1427420998;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 18:43:11; asciilifeform: the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him 1073729;1427421015;asciilifeform;could 1073730;1427421021;mircea_popescu;i know because angry/stupid .ro folk with delusions of self importance tried this sort of thing (on like 3 different occasions) against me 1073731;1427421025;mircea_popescu;didn't take, but was informative 1073732;1427421032;asciilifeform;which thing, out of curiosity 1073733;1427421034;mircea_popescu;like the qntra ddos stuff was informative re wp etc 1073734;1427421048;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "let's get google convinced this guy is a spammer" 1073735;1427421062;asciilifeform;whatever it was - worked. 1073736;1427421077;mircea_popescu;it'd trivially work, again, if the target is anon with a wp account or w/e. 1073737;1427421088;mircea_popescu;notice the recent lulzy failure of fetlife to "throw its weight around". 1073738;1427421094;mircea_popescu;it "always works", they thought, so why not. 1073739;1427421100;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of this going on the intertubes. 1073740;1427421104;decimation;re: sachs < he fails to assert why the cia benefits from anything assange or snowden are doing, while the media gets moar clicks 1073741;1427421131;mircea_popescu;heck, all the reddit brigading is essentially this, "you can blackball nobodies by banging on a lot of pots and pans!" 1073742;1427421163;asciilifeform;decimation: sure he does. in his picture, snowden (but especially the greenwald gang) lead genuine defectors to perdition 2) lead public to use 'blackphones', 'redphones', and misc. garbage 3) drum up a general sense of dread and 'the walls have ears' 1073743;1427421179;mircea_popescu;im not sure i'd hang any man for either of these. 1073744;1427421188;asciilifeform;admittedly #2 is more my conjecture than sachs text 1073745;1427421195;decimation;all of which happen with or without their help 1073746;1427421195;mircea_popescu;for one, they could trivially be stated about you. for the other, srsly ? this is a claim now ? 1073747;1427421235;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they could trivially be stated about you << just about anything could be. and folks would believe it, too. 1073748;1427421248;mircea_popescu;i don't think that text works without the necessary "bouncing wall" effect a properly conspiratorial mindset provides. 1073749;1427421253;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, http://danielpbarron.com/turdel_with_telnet.txt 1073750;1427421254;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4jBn ) 1073751;1427421254;mircea_popescu;too much "obviously..." jumping 1073752;1427421259;trinque;I joked just last night that #b-a RPG was a meta-NSA recruitment program 1073753;1427421269;asciilifeform;congrats danielpbarron! 1073754;1427421272;mircea_popescu;trinque you think this is funny ? 1073755;1427421288;BingoBoingo;Moar Winblows http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/03/german-pro-basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-due-to-windows-update/ 1073756;1427421289;assbot;German pro basketball team relegated to lower division due to Windows update | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4kVG ) 1073757;1427421290;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron that useful for TomServo's q above ? 1073758;1427421302;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ahaha qntra! 1073759;1427421319;trinque;mircea_popescu: the context was a point about being able to frame any situation in ever more paranoid terms 1073760;1427421326;decimation;lol the 10 viewers of german basketball will be disappoint 1073761;1427421344;mircea_popescu;trinque no dude, you just blew the whole shebang wide open. 1073762;1427421349;trinque;ah fuck 1073763;1427421350;mircea_popescu;now ima have to make another thing! 1073764;1427421354;trinque;LOL 1073765;1427421359;asciilifeform;'with blackjack! and hookers' 1073766;1427421361;asciilifeform;(TM) 1073767;1427421362;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Gotta check the German story first 1073768;1427421362;mircea_popescu;sorry folks. eulora project ended. 1073769;1427421410;trinque;my mother will be so proud 1073770;1427421447;decimation;http://pocan.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/pocan-massie-introduce-legislation-to-repeal-patriot-act < snowden's ultimate gift to usg 1073771;1427421449;assbot;Pocan & Massie Introduce Legislation to Repeal PATRIOT Act | Congressman Mark Pocan ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4ufZ ) 1073772;1427421452;mircea_popescu;so i want to announce this... umm... florist stand that s.mg will be producing. 1073773;1427421460;mircea_popescu;brick and mortar store and TOTALLY not a recruitment front. 1073774;1427421496;danielpbarron;TomServo, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt 1073775;1427421497;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4vAn ) 1073776;1427421520;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072772 << did he go to spanish harvard ?! 1073777;1427421520;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 18:52:58; asciilifeform: he is not a master of the english language. 1073778;1427421560;asciilifeform;nah sotomayor harvard 1073779;1427421567;asciilifeform;or perhaps gwb harvard 1073780;1427421582;*;asciilifeform did not say he bought sachs's creds wholesale 1073781;1427421590;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. your thesis is that he's like obama, there for "extracurricular" reasons ? 1073782;1427421595;mircea_popescu;what, his dad built the clocktower ? 1073783;1427421610;asciilifeform;actually they keep a certain number of such characters around 1073784;1427421611;mircea_popescu;iirc there's no jew quota at harvard. 1073785;1427421621;asciilifeform;tendrils of usg in the turd world 1073786;1427421639;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072793 << i am not aware he made such a promise ?! 1073787;1427421639;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 18:59:01; asciilifeform: from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions 1073788;1427421646;asciilifeform;they go home, and become pliant administrators, dreaming of sending the childrenz to usa 1073789;1427421659;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well, the 'snowden twitter' did 1073790;1427421664;asciilifeform;some time sept. or oct., iirc 1073791;1427421698;mircea_popescu;do you mean https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/475346838627696640 ? 1073792;1427421700;assbot;Did Snowden grep the NSA docs for JFK yet? Just wondering since I'm in Dallas today :-) 1073793;1427421704;asciilifeform;no. 1073794;1427421724;asciilifeform;'On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.' 1073795;1427421738;decimation;lol 1073796;1427421761;mircea_popescu;dude srlsy. 1073797;1427421764;mircea_popescu;it was a parody acct. 1073798;1427421766;mircea_popescu;(The Snowden on the fake Twitter account is offering even more sensational revelations: “I can confirm that Barack Obama worked for the CIA in the ‘80s, helping to stage a coup against the Fiji government.” 1073799;1427421766;mircea_popescu;An even more apocalyptic promise says: “On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.”) 1073800;1427421787;asciilifeform;nope 1073801;1427421790;asciilifeform;that was on the actual account. 1073802;1427421800;asciilifeform;well, as 'actual' as any of him 1073803;1427421805;TomServo;danielpbarron: aye, thanks - i'm disecting now 1073804;1427421821;TomServo;asciilifeform: also thanks 1073805;1427421822;mircea_popescu;is that the exact quote you meant or different ? 1073806;1427421834;asciilifeform;exact quote from own notes 1073807;1427421843;asciilifeform;trying to find some corroboration of it to link to 1073808;1427421852;decimation;asciilifeform: the oddest thing about snowden is the reddit-esque faith he had in the media to 'start a conversation' 1073809;1427421863;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/EJosephSnowden/status/397048402510245888 << ? 1073810;1427421916;mircea_popescu;srsly, i suspect you ended up intoxicated from 2nd hand material. 1073811;1427421925;mircea_popescu;the guy is not actually pushing tor and that promise was a fake acct. 1073812;1427421957;asciilifeform;to be fair, it isn't like his other communiques are pgp-signed. 1073813;1427421964;mircea_popescu;sure. 1073814;1427421975;mircea_popescu;the claim here isn'tthat the cow flies. 1073815;1427421976;decimation;asciilifeform: another good point, why didn't he use pgp to verify his information? 1073816;1427421981;mircea_popescu;the claim is that the cow actually gives milk. 1073817;1427421998;mircea_popescu;(which, also, not signed) 1073818;1427422008;asciilifeform;decimation: and afaik he never followed any analogue of 'ascii_field can talk and i will say if it was an impostor yesterday' principle 1073819;1427422027;asciilifeform;never disavowed the garbage 1073820;1427422038;mircea_popescu;imo that is the correct strategy. 1073821;1427422047;mircea_popescu;if he universally ignores th egarbage, the garbage has to stand on its own 1073822;1427422061;mircea_popescu;if he disavows any, the rest can now stand on your "didn't disavow me!!1" 1073823;1427422095;mircea_popescu;why should HE discuss what other people say ? 1073824;1427422145;asciilifeform;granted 1073825;1427422172;asciilifeform;unrelated >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2015/03/26/what-we-know-about-andreas-lubitz-the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-plane-crash/?tid=pm_world_pop << omg1111!!!11 wr3ck3rz!! 1073826;1427422173;assbot;What we know about Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4X1H ) 1073827;1427422190;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/03/basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-by-ms-windows-misbehavior/ 1073828;1427422190;assbot;Basketball Team Relegated to Lower Division by MS Windows Misbehavior | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4Xi2 ) 1073829;1427422197;decimation;actually related 1073830;1427422202;mircea_popescu;srsly, i am so disappoint the french are not like, being invaded. 1073831;1427422211;mircea_popescu;such perfect italian opportunity to conquer galia again. 1073832;1427422215;mircea_popescu;IT WAS HISTORICALLY THEIRS 1073833;1427422216;decimation;some derpy youth takes matters beyond him into his own hands, fails to do much of use 1073834;1427422231;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol win. 1073835;1427422291;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072801 << i lolled. 1073836;1427422291;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 19:01:01; nubbins`: http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-2.jpg 1073837;1427422308;mircea_popescu;guy defo has his buttons. 1073838;1427422329;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072809 << pls to explain this. 1073839;1427422329;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 19:02:33; asciilifeform: not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position. 1073840;1427422345;asciilifeform;radiation damage. 1073841;1427422363;asciilifeform;if any of his biographical material is to be believed, he's been at the futile soapbox thing for decades. 1073842;1427422397;mircea_popescu;like me ? 1073843;1427422401;mircea_popescu;or how you distinguish ? 1073844;1427422406;asciilifeform;the 'futile' part 1073845;1427422416;mircea_popescu;how is it anything but futile ? 1073846;1427422422;mircea_popescu;like... ppl still investing on forum, right ? 1073847;1427422423;asciilifeform;sachs, i meant 1073848;1427422435;mircea_popescu;what, specifically, is not futile ? 1073849;1427422442;mircea_popescu;human fucking condition. 1073850;1427422450;asciilifeform;time for 'zoom to fit image' here 1073851;1427422465;mircea_popescu;holy shit, i don't even fuck without a condom! 1073852;1427422469;asciilifeform;(vs 'zoom to fit human condition') 1073853;1427422484;mircea_popescu;so you're saying this particular zoom quantity has a quality all of its own ? 1073854;1427422509;asciilifeform;was trying to say, that sachs is successfully censored, for the most part 1073855;1427422525;asciilifeform;even 'yandex' returns somewhere between 1 and 3 hits for him (depending on luck of the draw) 1073856;1427422529;mircea_popescu;well... my twitter account got abandoned once and banned once. 1073857;1427422537;mircea_popescu;reddit thinks it a great success (the 2nd, not the 1st) 1073858;1427422539;mircea_popescu;so ? 1073859;1427422548;asciilifeform;where is the sachs version of #b-a ? 1073860;1427422553;asciilifeform;or of castle mircea_popescustein ? 1073861;1427422564;mircea_popescu;absence of proof = proof of absence ? 1073862;1427422568;asciilifeform;granted 1073863;1427422574;mircea_popescu;same could be argued by rpietilla. 1073864;1427422575;asciilifeform;but wherever it is - well-hidden. 1073865;1427422585;asciilifeform;as in, airtight. 1073866;1427422590;mircea_popescu;he's not insane, he's just been angry for too long. except im pretty sure he has both these. 1073867;1427422601;asciilifeform;note the date of the linked piece 1073868;1427422609;asciilifeform;quite a while ago 1073869;1427422623;mircea_popescu;the jew baiting letter was 2000 iirc 1073870;1427422624;asciilifeform;and i would have never seen it had he not written a letter to cryptome (see other link) 1073871;1427422634;asciilifeform;speaking of the snowden thing here 1073872;1427422658;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm 1073873;1427422658;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5l0e ) 1073874;1427422671;mircea_popescu;but wouldn't you say that describing that legalese boilerplate as "jew baiting" in 2000 would offer sufficient explanation of why he can't get his shit published in 2012 or w/e ? 1073875;1427422693;asciilifeform;published by new yorker - sure 1073876;1427422697;asciilifeform;indexed by google? 1073877;1427422699;asciilifeform;yandex?! 1073878;1427422725;mircea_popescu;maybe they pursued a defamation suit, sent c&ds around ? 1073879;1427422731;asciilifeform;that'd be the one time it worked 1073880;1427422745;mircea_popescu;understand, it does not take MUCH for an inept derp on the margin of his sanity to lose internet access. 1073881;1427422750;mircea_popescu;i could do it, generally, for pretty much anyone. 1073882;1427422755;asciilifeform;incidentally they normally publish the letter 1073883;1427422760;asciilifeform;but in his case made exception. 1073884;1427422767;mircea_popescu;afaik they do not any longer 1073885;1427422772;mircea_popescu;used to, but became too much hassle 1073886;1427422781;asciilifeform;did for warez, as of a few wks ago when i last saw. 1073887;1427422790;mircea_popescu;link or something ? 1073888;1427422810;asciilifeform;https://www.chillingeffects.org/submission_id/1420769 1073889;1427422811;assbot;Chilling Effects - 404 Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5oco ) 1073890;1427422831;mircea_popescu;o.O 1073891;1427422844;mircea_popescu;one that doesnt 404 ? 1073892;1427422874;mircea_popescu;check it out, alf is a tachyon. has read the future. 1073893;1427422913;asciilifeform;search for 'leszek sachs' 1073894;1427422918;asciilifeform;then follow link 1073895;1427422934;mircea_popescu;Cerca de 343.000 resultados 1073896;1427422945;mircea_popescu;includes > dozen pics of the same bespectacled fellow 1073897;1427422949;asciilifeform;incidentally #b-a is not at the top of the page like usual. 1073898;1427422953;mircea_popescu;and is no such link 1073899;1427422971;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: might be geolocatronic shenanigans 1073900;1427422978;asciilifeform;of the kind google is famous for 1073901;1427422979;mircea_popescu;it is, which is what i said. 1073902;1427422983;asciilifeform;aha. 1073903;1427422992;mircea_popescu;do you wish to see the html ? 1073904;1427422999;asciilifeform;dpaste 1073905;1427423024;asciilifeform;but yes, did see the pics 1073906;1427423030;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/25VM435 1073907;1427423032;assbot;dpaste: 25VM435 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5ArT ) 1073908;1427423032;asciilifeform;notably, did not see the document linked on cryptome 1073909;1427423050;mircea_popescu;the cryptome piece itself is indexed (if one looks by "last week" results) 1073910;1427423064;decimation;the cryptome 'letter' is also lulzy 1073911;1427423074;asciilifeform;i suppose we'll see if there is a gnome with a hand-edited 'google blackhole' chart, soon enough 1073912;1427423091;decimation;one is confused why the cia would bother to find such a complex excuse to be embarassed and embarass others 1073913;1427423125;nubbins`;root@debian:/# tftp 0x800000 turdel_with_telnet 1073914;1427423126;nubbins`;0x800000: unknown host 1073915;1427423174;mircea_popescu;http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-02-10/google-moves-destroy-online-anonymity-…-helping-authoritarian-governments-pro << he was in zerohedge ffs, last year. 1073916;1427423174;assbot;Page Not Found | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5Gjs ) 1073917;1427423175;asciilifeform;decimation: the historic, self-admitted 'national character' of cia (as described in their authorized histories, note) is as a gang of 'younger sons' of old-money lords in usa. on account of the elementary fact that these were the only possible recruits because no one else was cultured or spoke languages. 1073918;1427423196;asciilifeform;(ww2 period) 1073919;1427423217;decimation;asciilifeform: perhaps, but I can't imagine that the employees look much different than the post office today 1073920;1427423226;asciilifeform;decimation: depends what is meant by 'employees' 1073921;1427423237;asciilifeform;the paper-pushers - undoubtedly. 1073922;1427423239;mircea_popescu;oh, meta-cia as well ? 1073923;1427423243;mircea_popescu;that i might almost credit. 1073924;1427423251;asciilifeform;meta-cia i can't even take credit for 1073925;1427423255;mircea_popescu;right. 1073926;1427423264;decimation;it seems from the wapo article about the anti-al-quaeda chap that he ran the 'meta-cia' 1073927;1427423266;asciilifeform;worked great in su. 1073928;1427423269;mircea_popescu;so alf, guy was in zh two years ago. it never caught. also supression ? 1073929;1427423288;asciilifeform;i can't insist on it. but can't rule out. 1073930;1427423306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.00024431 = 18.1522 BTC [-] 1073931;1427423318;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072854 << i suspect you're confused as to the meaning of at least one word in there :D 1073932;1427423318;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 19:31:49; nubbins`: may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0 1073933;1427423334;decimation;how could anyone inside usg accomplish anything at all without creating a meta-something 1073934;1427423348;mircea_popescu;i hear this is how they get laid, too. 1073935;1427423349;asciilifeform;can't say the sachs thing is a living animal. but a bone, with just enough meat on it to be worth picking up. 1073936;1427423364;decimation;as if including the diversity-based hiring quotees could enhance the outcome? 1073937;1427423374;asciilifeform;decimation: the basic 'meta' picture in my head is the small group inside virtually any gigantic and ossified organization that actually gets things done 1073938;1427423395;decimation;which is what happens in any large organization 1073939;1427423427;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so the skunkworks without the management ? 1073940;1427423443;asciilifeform;or with own management, which largely functions to insulate it from the nominal management. 1073941;1427423454;mircea_popescu;this is a very important difference here. 1073942;1427423465;mircea_popescu;afaik the way this works is, there's someone in management who's not retarded, cultivates these. 1073943;1427423474;mircea_popescu;as a self-organised thing i never saw it exist 1073944;1427423476;asciilifeform;almost certainly ww2 vintage. 1073945;1427423481;mircea_popescu;save in very narrow conditions (say, the it dept) 1073946;1427423482;asciilifeform;the men, i mean 1073947;1427423575;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072895 << wait. and this is unlike normal openssh how again ? 1073948;1427423575;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 19:55:07; asciilifeform: observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd 1073949;1427423601;asciilifeform;normal box has at least the entropic component of cpu vs real time clock frequency drift. 1073950;1427423607;asciilifeform;not to mention user i/o 1073951;1427423624;asciilifeform;(very scant, but real, 'meat entropy' from human devices, etc) 1073952;1427423625;mircea_popescu;my poor stab at poor openssh securitah. 1073953;1427423652;decimation;asciilifeform: I thought it didn't have an rtc 1073954;1427423659;asciilifeform;anyway that thing under no conceivable circumstances ought to be remotely shellable and sitting on public net at same time 1073955;1427423667;asciilifeform;decimation: it has a useless rtc 1073956;1427423675;mircea_popescu;fun fact : you can acutally hand-load the entropy pool. 1073957;1427423680;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sure can. 1073958;1427423687;decimation;why not an init with the auto-kill while loop 1073959;1427423699;asciilifeform;decimation: init of what 1073960;1427423710;decimation;I mean init is literally just a while loop 1073961;1427423712;decimation;no shell 1073962;1427423739;asciilifeform;decimation: this will make, e.g., setting static ip, impossible 1073963;1427423764;decimation;could dhcp 1073964;1427423771;asciilifeform;i don't like dhcp in my house. 1073965;1427423774;decimation;heh 1073966;1427423775;asciilifeform;and can't imagine i'm the only one 1073967;1427423786;asciilifeform;dhcp also means we have to bring back upnp 1073968;1427423789;asciilifeform;think about it! 1073969;1427423800;asciilifeform;the demo turdel dhcp's, yes 1073970;1427423810;decimation;not with a well configured dhcp/firewall 1073971;1427423816;decimation;but it would be more complex, I agree 1073972;1427423824;asciilifeform;decimation: how many in target audience will have well-configured anythign? 1073973;1427423828;decimation;hehe 1073974;1427423836;asciilifeform;we're probably stuck bringing back upnp regardless 1073975;1427423840;mircea_popescu;what fire wall anyway ? 1073976;1427423842;asciilifeform;(as a separate demon, i suggest) 1073977;1427423842;mircea_popescu;this plugs into router. 1073978;1427423853;asciilifeform;aha 1073979;1427423853;decimation;the router that runs nat and has a firewall you mean? 1073980;1427423854;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whai ? 1073981;1427423863;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because how is anyone to connect to this thing! 1073982;1427423864;mircea_popescu;decimation that's unused, yes. 1073983;1427423871;decimation;??? 1073984;1427423872;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ugh 1073985;1427423878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: think about it for a minute 1073986;1427423879;decimation;gulz at your party gonna configure their services 1073987;1427423884;mircea_popescu;shit. 1073988;1427423895;decimation;this is why half the 'cloud' shit even exists 1073989;1427423896;asciilifeform;jurov made this observation in october 1073990;1427423908;asciilifeform;that upnp will have to be grudgingly brought back, if only as a separate process 1073991;1427423909;decimation;because nat fucks up everything 1073992;1427423911;asciilifeform;(outside of bitcoind) 1073993;1427423941;mircea_popescu;http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/b6/cb6523a6-02dc-5cc2-be49-762e7e525851/5514637854c52.image.jpg << is that actualy a gun ? 1073994;1427423943;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Csuteg ) 1073995;1427423945;asciilifeform;if the thing is to be given to 'civilians' 1073996;1427423958;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'mossberg' 1073997;1427423967;asciilifeform;three-round '12 ga' mag 1073998;1427423979;asciilifeform;the other two barrels, no idea 1073999;1427423983;decimation;is that the bot they sent after the boston bombers 1074000;1427423986;asciilifeform;(speaking of the black barrel) 1074001;1427423989;asciilifeform;decimation: nope 1074002;1427423998;asciilifeform;decimation: from earlier newpiece today re: a tax guy 1074003;1427424013;decimation;heh 1074004;1427424022;decimation;it has some kind of other gun on its left 'arm' 1074005;1427424026;decimation;maybe paintball? 1074006;1427424033;asciilifeform;i count 3 barrels 1074007;1427424039;asciilifeform;brb 1074008;1427424059;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072978 << yeah. 1074009;1427424059;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 20:44:33; asciilifeform: still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ? 1074010;1427424066;decimation;one of them might be a laser 1074011;1427424074;decimation;although it is a large barrel for a laser 1074012;1427424087;mircea_popescu;i'd expect smoke launchers etc. 1074013;1427424110;decimation;usians have been brainwashed too long to be turned into north kr-ites 1074014;1427424118;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072986 << everyone's going to be the first guy to stick a finger in teenaged pussy. FOREVER. 1074015;1427424118;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 21:28:26; jurov: " is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that? 1074016;1427424465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166947 @ 0.00024425 = 40.7768 BTC [-] {2} 1074017;1427424577;decimation;weirdly the dec 19 SPY put option with the most open interest is 135 1074018;1427424583;decimation;current 'money' is at 205 1074019;1427424823;nubbins`;asciilifeform danielpbarron etc http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QHGEWZdn 1074020;1427424825;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsuWgk ) 1074021;1427425067;mircea_popescu;decimation bear in mind that this sort of thing is seen often enough. 1074022;1427425100;mircea_popescu;it always seems remarkable when the sec comes out with "oh, clearly they had insider info, held 90% of this improbable strike". but if you go combing over the market, you'll see lots of similar situations all the time. 1074023;1427425257;decimation;mircea_popescu: apparently so. I'm trying to find a way to hedge my mostly long position on us equities 1074024;1427425311;mircea_popescu;options are rarely the way to go for something like that. 1074025;1427425341;decimation;well these days bonds and stocks trade as one 1074026;1427425354;decimation;because the whole thing is predicated on 'usg prints money true/false' 1074027;1427426011;asciilifeform;nubbins`: congrats 1074028;1427426016;nubbins`;ty 1074029;1427426047;nubbins`;still working on cross-compile toolchain for darwin->arm 1074030;1427426066;asciilifeform;nubbins`: 'buildroot' builds cross-chain 1074031;1427426073;asciilifeform;on just about any reasonable unix 1074032;1427426082;asciilifeform;and i mean all of it 1074033;1427426132;nubbins`;hm, i'll cheggidout 1074034;1427426150;asciilifeform;nubbins`: it's what i'm building the whole shebang (as seen in turdel) with 1074035;1427426162;asciilifeform;nubbins`: my plan is to fit bitcoind & its deps in there 1074036;1427426165;asciilifeform;as just another 'package' 1074037;1427426210;decimation;asciilifeform: ideally the thing would have a small lcd terminal for programming ips, keys, etc 1074038;1427426215;asciilifeform;the output is a kernel and a rootfs (in 'turdel', deliberately baked into one binary to simplify testing) 1074039;1427426230;asciilifeform;decimation: ideally i would be designing it full time in b-a or whatnot 1074040;1427426235;decimation;not that this would be of any use to the target audience 1074041;1427426238;decimation;aye 1074042;1427426240;asciilifeform;decimation: and it would be baking in my personal fab 1074043;1427426255;asciilifeform;but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire' 1074044;1427426277;decimation;wait do you mean argentina or #b-a 1074045;1427426284;asciilifeform;the former 1074046;1427426290;asciilifeform;(just as example) 1074047;1427426312;*;asciilifeform doesn't know for a fact whether he could tolerate it long-term 1074048;1427426345;nubbins`;spent much time in a foreign country? 1074049;1427426351;asciilifeform;nubbins`: yes, 22 years. 1074050;1427426354;decimation;asciilifeform: well if I win the swedish lottery I'll fund your fab 1074051;1427426428;asciilifeform;decimation: i don't think any lottery on the planet pays a tenth of what it'd cost. 1074052;1427426455;decimation;oh a full chip fab? 1074053;1427426460;asciilifeform;chip fab and army 1074054;1427426479;asciilifeform;and pet economy to feed the two. 1074055;1427426640;decimation;asciilifeform: so you basically want singapore 1074056;1427426649;asciilifeform;sumthinglikethat 1074057;1427426671;asciilifeform;but this is rather like asking about that kind of martial colony would feel best 1074058;1427426686;decimation;well, I would pick an island in the middle of the pacific for definisibility 1074059;1427426690;asciilifeform;not enough info from my perch to even say something reasonable beyond 'it ain't happening' 1074060;1427426692;decimation;defensibility 1074061;1427426712;nubbins`;dat off-brand battery 1074062;1427426724;asciilifeform;island only works if you have thermonukes ready to pop in every major enemy population centre and they know it. 1074063;1427426734;decimation;eh, kinda 1074064;1427426767;decimation;the island is good because if you can operate a reasonable air and sea defense system, you are pretty well protected 1074065;1427426783;decimation;if people wanna use icbm's they are gonna have to be committed 1074066;1427426783;asciilifeform;'tomahawk' 1074067;1427426791;asciilifeform;much cheaper 1074068;1427426810;nubbins`;asciilifeform:nubbins`: yes, 22 years. <<< lel @ me 1074069;1427426824;decimation;cruise missiles are just as vulnerable as other aircraft 1074070;1427426872;asciilifeform;decimation: see old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#488934 1074071;1427426872;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance. 1074072;1427426913;asciilifeform;(summary: defence doesn't work) 1074073;1427426920;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you 1074074;1427427072;decimation;the whole problem of air defense becomes much simpler once you can enumerate goodness 1074075;1427427612;mircea_popescu;entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people... 1074076;1427427623;mircea_popescu;it's like being in a campus 1074077;1427427666;mircea_popescu;decimation options have a very strong time correlation. unless you have a very clear date in mind, they're not usually the right tool 1074078;1427427744;decimation;aye, you have to 'leap' from one ex date to the next 1074079;1427427756;mircea_popescu;if you do that you will lose money. 1074080;1427427779;mircea_popescu;who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013 1074081;1427427787;decimation;well, the problem I have is picking the stirke price and quantity that is appropriate 1074082;1427427807;decimation;there are plenty of short funds avialable, but they all have extremely high costs 1074083;1427427809;mircea_popescu;if you wish to be equity neutral the more common strategy is "buy the equities short the index" or vice-versa. 1074084;1427427823;mircea_popescu;this is very time-invariant. 1074085;1427427880;decimation;yeah that's a fair point 1074086;1427427889;mircea_popescu; asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you << no you can't. why do you think "international waters" are so important. 1074087;1427427912;decimation;well, presumably if they are firing on you from every steradian you have your rights 1074088;1427427929;mircea_popescu;you have to sink the ship befroe it fires. 1074089;1427427933;mircea_popescu;after, what's it gonna do. 1074090;1427427950;decimation;declare the surrounding 2000 miles of sea to be territorial 1074091;1427427962;mircea_popescu;this is a nude declaration of war. 1074092;1427427963;nubbins`;2000! 1074093;1427427967;nubbins`;my sides 1074094;1427428000;mircea_popescu;and what happens once some schmoe makes the 2100 mile tomahawk ? you redeclare ? 1074095;1427428013;decimation;no, you shoot it down once it hits your 2000 mile border without ident 1074096;1427428029;mircea_popescu;it doesn't. sits at 2050 miles and waves. 1074097;1427428041;decimation;can do until it runs out of fuel 1074098;1427428057;mircea_popescu;what, plutonium ? 1074099;1427428104;decimation;the point is, at 2000 miles it would be infeasible to 'fire on all sides' 1074100;1427428150;asciilifeform;decimation: lobbing rockets, etc. is a contest of who has the largest pet economy to milk 1074101;1427428170;nubbins`;this is hypothetical to the point of absurdity 1074102;1427428180;asciilifeform;decimation: or do you imagine that even something as basic as 'v1' can be built from dirt 1074103;1427428227;asciilifeform;nubbins`: what a cosmographer does is even less tangible, but we owe a good chunk of early physics to them. 1074104;1427428235;decimation;it's a fair point, one would have to have a large chunk of wealth 1074105;1427428258;asciilifeform;decimation: wealth as in functioning tame economy and natural resources. 1074106;1427428265;asciilifeform;not as in 'numbers in account' 1074107;1427428281;asciilifeform;esp. not if said account lives among the folks you intend to blow up 1074108;1427428281;mircea_popescu;this entire "i'd get an island" thing is not unlike the strange idea of the british troops to wear red. 1074109;1427428284;mircea_popescu;yeah... that'll work... 1074110;1427428287;decimation;heh 1074111;1427428289;asciilifeform;^ 1074112;1427428299;decimation;it did 'work' for a few hundred years 1074113;1427428306;asciilifeform;pre-aircraft 1074114;1427428308;mircea_popescu;right. but you're in the wrong hundred. 1074115;1427428325;mircea_popescu;see, if i had the magical stone that lets you turn time back FOR THE OTHERS 1074116;1427428329;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't bother with the island. 1074117;1427428349;decimation;okay, if not an island? where ? 1074118;1427428353;mircea_popescu;here. 1074119;1427428393;nubbins`;ಠ_ಠ 1074120;1427428411;decimation;hawala works fine for finance but not for real estate 1074121;1427428428;asciilifeform;it also, very notably, does not work especially well for physical objects as a class. 1074122;1427428440;asciilifeform;last i checked, there were no teleporters. 1074123;1427428454;mircea_popescu;i dun get it. 1074124;1427428460;mircea_popescu;what is this objection ? 1074125;1427428492;decimation;where's ascii gonna locate his fab, to be specific 1074126;1427428496;asciilifeform;objection to a hypothetical 'locale doesn't matter' 1074127;1427428623;mircea_popescu;why does locale matter ? 1074128;1427428641;mircea_popescu;decimation the best solution to his problem would seem to me, bribing someone to defraud an existing fab 1074129;1427428645;mircea_popescu;rather than "build his own" 1074130;1427428655;asciilifeform;and trust the product from fraud ? 1074131;1427428662;asciilifeform;and have item fabbed on winblows tools ? 1074132;1427428673;mircea_popescu;the price for trying to be "supergovernment" is that you lose your claim to title for anything you might "own" 1074133;1427428686;mircea_popescu;much like un declared tyrants lose their bank accounts. 1074134;1427428700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform have it secretly dualboot for all i care. 1074135;1427428708;*;asciilifeform very confused 1074136;1427428713;mircea_popescu;have them upgrade to archlinux "for their own interest". 1074137;1427428716;asciilifeform;how does this 'solve' 1074138;1427428758;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try to recall the thread where we illustrate that the entire extant ic fab ecosystem sits on two or three winblows-only turdwares that's easily 10,000 man-years each 1074139;1427428784;mircea_popescu;so ? 1074140;1427428808;mircea_popescu;the problem is no longer "where to place the fab" but "where to find coders". 1074141;1427428811;mircea_popescu;very substantially different. 1074142;1427428812;asciilifeform;so who do i 'persuade' to replay 1970-2000 ? 1074143;1427428824;mircea_popescu;who is different from where. 1074144;1427428826;asciilifeform;and it isn't 'coders' in the sense of monkeys but actual people, who would be required. 1074145;1427428827;mircea_popescu;THIS works for who. 1074146;1427428833;mircea_popescu;no argument. 1074147;1427428907;mircea_popescu;but if you ask me, i do not see ideal situation as "private island where 04938509348509834 SAM batteries and nukes, and purpose-built IC fab" 1074148;1427428931;mircea_popescu;i see it as, "elaborate virus, makes targetted fab shit out our own gear "accidentally", we buy it as tailings for pennies" 1074149;1427428942;nubbins`;oh ho 1074150;1427428953;mircea_popescu;did i ever recount the very early "special order" scam romanians got hit with ? in like 91 ? 1074151;1427428957;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is about as plausible as the virus scene from the infamously bad film 'independence day' 1074152;1427428979;nubbins`;duod the alien computers obv used compatible tech 1074153;1427428979;decimation;except, the fab software in question doesn't 'fail' like a biological thing, it 'fails' like a fragile machine, as in - it doesn't work at all 1074154;1427428989;mircea_popescu;decimation depends on the code. 1074155;1427429013;asciilifeform;and at any rate, it needs to happen N times, not 1. 1074156;1427429019;mircea_popescu;and so it will. 1074157;1427429023;decimation;and achieve substantial yeild 1074158;1427429050;mircea_popescu;decimation 1% yield, as long as it's not your run, is fine isn't it. 1074159;1427429061;mircea_popescu;even better than 99% yield. 1074160;1427429063;asciilifeform;cuckoldry doesn't work on everything. 1074161;1427429067;mircea_popescu;buy the duds, "sell them for scrap" 1074162;1427429069;decimation;how do you gain title to the 100 units to get one working one? 1074163;1427429070;mircea_popescu;most of them, anyway. 1074164;1427429072;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, it does. 1074165;1427429081;mircea_popescu;decimation buy them for scrap ? 1074166;1427429089;mircea_popescu;they ARE garbage are they not. 1074167;1427429097;asciilifeform;this is laughable to anyone who can be bothered to learn even the basics of how such a plant is run. 1074168;1427429099;decimation;wait, I thought they were 'dual use' 1074169;1427429107;mircea_popescu;decimation the plant not the boards. 1074170;1427429116;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do tell ? 1074171;1427429120;nubbins`;asciilifeform it's like a blue jeans factory, they have a "factory seconds" shop out front 1074172;1427429125;nubbins`;and another in bangor 1074173;1427429127;mircea_popescu;(and ftr, the island thing is laughable too. we're doing lolz here) 1074174;1427429146;decimation;well for one thing, each and every 'run' of a modern chip requires milllions in setup fees 1074175;1427429147;asciilifeform;just when i didn't think that anyone could conceive of a less plausible scene than the island... 1074176;1427429154;mircea_popescu;(just, THIS lolz you're better equipped to appreciate, not being gunnery sgts or w/e) 1074177;1427429166;mircea_popescu;decimation so ? 1074178;1427429186;asciilifeform;no need to be a professional artillerist to see the absurdity of 'shoot everything that moves in the sea' hypothetical 1074179;1427429193;decimation;literally tens of thousands of indians/chinese are employed testing the output of each run 1074180;1427429198;asciilifeform;of each -layer- 1074181;1427429201;mircea_popescu;decimation so ? they know it failed. 1074182;1427429203;mircea_popescu;what now ? 1074183;1427429230;decimation;why would they risk revealing their ip by selling dud units 1074184;1427429238;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1074185;1427429251;asciilifeform;the number of not-entirely-brainless people that would have to be duped simultaneously is large. 1074186;1427429254;mircea_popescu;what, they do the melting down in house ? 1074187;1427429259;decimation;absolutely they do 1074188;1427429264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not more than say for your dr. lezzie theory above. 1074189;1427429265;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu might imagine that the fab is a largely automatic affair, but this is not so 1074190;1427429278;mircea_popescu;decimation i'll bet you they subcontract it away 1074191;1427429301;nubbins`;now you gotta own an Iron Mountain franchise too? 1074192;1427429303;mircea_popescu;and if they don't presently... 1074193;1427429346;mircea_popescu;nubbins` wut ?! 1074194;1427429348;asciilifeform;i can see mircea_popescu's scenario playing out -with bribery- rather than elaborate crapware 1074195;1427429359;mircea_popescu;the word bribe was in there. 1074196;1427429373;asciilifeform;in fact, this is quite like the thread from my first contact with #b-a 1074197;1427429392;asciilifeform;or one of them, anyway, where i theorized that the bulk of mining power is produced in exactly this way 1074198;1427429396;mircea_popescu;anyway, point being : we don't construct a new earth. 1074199;1427429400;mircea_popescu;we repurpose the extant one. 1074200;1427429417;mircea_popescu;sorry to disappoint the settlers. 1074201;1427429434;decimation;even with bribery, it would take a very large dole and a tight organization 1074202;1427429437;mircea_popescu;right 1074203;1427429438;asciilifeform;i for one would settle for autonomous food-n-shelter-tron 1074204;1427429443;asciilifeform;could probably come up with a fab. in time... 1074205;1427429446;mircea_popescu;but CHEAPER THAN ISLAND 1074206;1427429461;decimation;that's not obvious to me at all 1074207;1427429466;mircea_popescu;really ? 1074208;1427429466;decimation;how much do you think pitcairn island costs 1074209;1427429479;mircea_popescu;here we go again with this nominalist fallacy. 1074210;1427429479;asciilifeform;decimation: it may as well be in center of washington 1074211;1427429495;asciilifeform;decimation: for all the sovereignty the 'title' of the island gets you. 1074212;1427429507;asciilifeform;or which 'cost' was spoken of 1074213;1427429509;mircea_popescu;you'd have to buy midway to get the 2k miles you want 1074214;1427429512;decimation;in the case of pitcairn, it is 'self-governing' with 60 voters 1074215;1427429513;mircea_popescu;how much does midway cost ? 1074216;1427429524;mircea_popescu;it's self governing like ukraine is self-governing. 1074217;1427429525;decimation;obviously usg aint' selling 1074218;1427429538;decimation;(midway is a nature preserve now) 1074219;1427429541;asciilifeform;also recall the 'seastead' thread 1074220;1427429552;mircea_popescu;decimation uk fashion, this 1074221;1427429560;asciilifeform;(there is a subculture of folks who imagine that going to see somehow rids you of usg) 1074222;1427429561;mircea_popescu;how to suspend laws ? o i know, turn it into a forest!!1 1074223;1427429568;asciilifeform;*to sea 1074224;1427429573;nubbins`;sealand! 1074225;1427429586;decimation;george bush turned 2000 miles of territory west of hawaii into a forest 1074226;1427429794;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papah%C4%81naumoku%C4%81kea_Marine_National_Monument 1074227;1427429796;assbot;PapahÄnaumokuÄkea Marine National Monument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwRTLD ) 1074228;1427429829;mircea_popescu;lol 1074229;1427429851;decimation;" It is slightly larger than Australia's Great Barrier Reef Marine Park, approximately the size of the country of Germany, and just slightly smaller than Montana." 1074230;1427429874;asciilifeform;wai wat 1074231;1427429911;decimation;and you are right, the enviro-nazis who heavily influence usg want to turn it into a forest precisely to suspend all law 1074232;1427429945;decimation;asciilifeform: usg owns all the islands from hawaii to midway 1074233;1427430013;asciilifeform;it also owns europe 1074234;1427430016;asciilifeform;what of it 1074235;1427430096;decimation;perhaps in a few decades when france has collapsed sufficiently, it would be possible to seize an island from french polynesia 1074236;1427430110;asciilifeform;... and do what on it? 1074237;1427430141;asciilifeform;you can already 'seize' a ship-sized 'island' from... the sea 1074238;1427430149;asciilifeform;it doesn't buy you sovereignty 1074239;1427430155;asciilifeform;or autarky 1074240;1427430272;mircea_popescu;i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing. 1074241;1427430289;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because everybody wants to get the fuck away from the buggers 1074242;1427430294;asciilifeform;and likes to imagine that there is a place to go 1074243;1427430312;asciilifeform;where there is something more to do than dig own grave 1074244;1427430320;decimation;aye 1074245;1427430422;BingoBoingo; where there is something more to do than dig own grave << Like keep one's coffin afloat 1074246;1427430487;BingoBoingo; i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing. << Because hell is other people, "Get off my lawn", and other sorts of dissatisfaction with the rest of the human race 1074247;1427430493;mircea_popescu;aha 1074248;1427430494;asciilifeform;^ 1074249;1427430504;mircea_popescu;maybe a little bit in there of racial memory. "last time this worked we did it on boats" 1074250;1427430515;asciilifeform;this also. 1074251;1427430519;mircea_popescu;nobody proposes toi, you know, move to mongolia 1074252;1427430526;mircea_popescu;or kansas. which would be more practical. 1074253;1427430533;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: think for a minute 1074254;1427430546;asciilifeform;the absolute innermost circle of hell is the company of other -poor people- 1074255;1427430557;asciilifeform;boat is a machine for being poor without having to endure poor people. 1074256;1427430559;mircea_popescu;but it's empty. 1074257;1427430567;mircea_popescu;fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ? 1074258;1427430573;mircea_popescu;go to novosibiirks and walk. 1074259;1427430580;mircea_popescu;you have any idea how deserted it gets ? 1074260;1427430609;asciilifeform;if you start conducting anti-usg commerce there, your immediate vicinity will eventually get slightly less empty. 1074261;1427430611;BingoBoingo; fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ? << This is a point. And on land unlike on sea one can travel even if deprived of vehicle. 1074262;1427430618;asciilifeform;in alaska, or in greenland, or in the pacific ocean. 1074263;1427430638;mircea_popescu;no. because in alaska you can live, and live well, and alone. 1074264;1427430646;mircea_popescu;in ocean you, not being either fish or seal, drown. 1074265;1427430651;asciilifeform;perelman, possibly could. 1074266;1427430658;mircea_popescu;eh get out. 1074267;1427430664;mircea_popescu;and no, vicinty would not get less empty. 1074268;1427430673;mircea_popescu;police is in town BECAUSE THOSE DERPS LIVED THERE ANYWAY 1074269;1427430682;mircea_popescu;where there's no derps, the usg does not magic some into place. 1074270;1427430706;asciilifeform;aha and usg herbicide runs over the coke fields of colombia never happened ? 1074271;1427430717;asciilifeform;usg is perfectly happy to magic into the right place 1074272;1427430720;mircea_popescu;you wisah to grow cocaine on your island ?! 1074273;1427430726;asciilifeform;as a hypothetical 1074274;1427430735;asciilifeform;litmus test, so to speak, of sovereignty 1074275;1427430740;mircea_popescu;srsly ? 1074276;1427430741;asciilifeform;or nukes, if you like 1074277;1427430759;mircea_popescu;well, if that's the standard i guess the south east of russia then, definitely. 1074278;1427430764;asciilifeform;can you work on a plausible thermonuke in your kingdom? if yes, then sovereign. 1074279;1427430767;mircea_popescu;between tashkent and fuckwascalled 1074280;1427430823;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Lenin_named_square_-_Tashkent_1982.jpg << there. how about that lol. 1074281;1427430825;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwVyci ) 1074282;1427430826;mircea_popescu;notice anything ? 1074283;1427430840;mircea_popescu;"o, is that an airport ?" "no, it's a mall." 1074284;1427430864;asciilifeform;road for tanks 1074285;1427430889;asciilifeform;and airstrip when it wants. 1074286;1427430988;asciilifeform;at any rate, i must confess that i've forgotten what kind of puzzle all of this was intended to be a solution to. 1074287;1427431035;asciilifeform;if it's 'get out of usg', this is rather like learning that your house has roaches and answering by looking for some small corner which, as of yet, does not have any roaches therein 1074288;1427431057;mircea_popescu;it was merely my curiosity as to "why island" 1074289;1427431066;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/03/paypal-settles-with-us-for-sanctions-violations/ 1074290;1427431067;assbot;PayPal Settles With US For Sanctions Violations | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwWnls ) 1074291;1427431072;mircea_popescu;which seems akin to jews reacting to all the propaganda by building auschwitz by themselves. 1074292;1427431079;mircea_popescu;lawl. 1074293;1427431081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can speak only for myself, but i live by 'hell is other people' 1074294;1427431114;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo why not "this casts doubt on the overall viability of the USD as a unit of account and medium of payment" etc ? 1074295;1427431115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92500 @ 0.00025626 = 23.7041 BTC [+] {2} 1074296;1427431147;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sea is very poor solution ot this, seeing how its very demanding nature GUARANTEES you need other people. 1074297;1427431169;mircea_popescu;to prefer a solution that clearly will not work, and by necessity, over a solution that clearly does in fact work is one definition of insanity. 1074298;1427431171;asciilifeform;specially-selected other people. but otherwise yes 1074299;1427431177;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That comes in next story on not-Bitcoins behaving badly. 1074300;1427431187;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no longer a solution to your stated problem. 1074301;1427431215;asciilifeform;i suspect that most 'boat people' would actually rather be mircea_popescu, but you can go and buy a boat. you cannot buy 'be mircea_popescu' 1074302;1427431231;mircea_popescu;but merely because yo ucan buy something... 1074303;1427431240;mircea_popescu;i mean why not buy a can of sprayable cheese then ? 1074304;1427431242;mircea_popescu;spray some on door. 1074305;1427431245;asciilifeform;people with limited imagination actually dream of attainable things 1074306;1427431247;asciilifeform;believe or not! 1074307;1427431262;mircea_popescu;cheaper things that also do not work could be had... 1074308;1427431262;asciilifeform;i know, it's mind-boggling 1074309;1427431268;asciilifeform;'here have this brick' 1074310;1427431288;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034997 1074311;1427431288;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 22:21:49; asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto 1074312;1427431304;mircea_popescu;aha. 1074313;1427431333;mircea_popescu;by the way : it is perhaps worth pointing out, for the benefit of the younger who certainly do not read, and understand even less than what they read, that the jewish ghetto was a ghetto before hitler. 1074314;1427431353;mircea_popescu;that is to say, for some reason if left to their own devices jews especially in europe dwelled in the most insalubrious, asian arrangements conceivable. 1074315;1427431369;*;asciilifeform thought that this was well-known. 1074316;1427431374;mircea_popescu;well you never know. 1074317;1427431526;asciilifeform;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-z-chesnoff/ema-film-unfinishedem-the_b_682030.html? << i watched this film. and i happen to know how to read, and know that the restaurants existed. 1074318;1427431528;assbot;A Film Unfinished: The Warsaw Ghetto As Seen Through Nazi Eyes | Richard Z. Chesnoff ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwY1DA ) 1074319;1427431542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79198 @ 0.00025752 = 20.3951 BTC [+] {3} 1074320;1427431543;asciilifeform;'Horrifying snippets of it have appeared over the years: a starving child dying on the streets of the Ghetto while other Jews walk by or still others dine on meals at well stocked restaurants that never existed' ' 1074321;1427431547;asciilifeform;^ crock'o'shit 1074322;1427431576;asciilifeform;the collaborationists were amply supplied, even with caviar, almost until the end. 1074323;1427431596;asciilifeform;between them and the black-marketeers, enough to feed a regiment. 1074324;1427431603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14552 @ 0.00025942 = 3.7751 BTC [+] 1074325;1427431620;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1074326;1427431647;asciilifeform;why did the author of the article find it necessary to insert this howler, i wonder 1074327;1427431650;asciilifeform;'never existed' 1074328;1427432212;nubbins`;yeah, this boot via tftp is pretty dope. 1074329;1427432282;mircea_popescu;because he thinks he knows thing, asciilifeform 1074330;1427432291;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/maripostas/ << here, exact same problem. 1074331;1427432292;assbot;Maripostas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx0iP3 ) 1074332;1427432297;mircea_popescu;read the clerk in shop part. 1074333;1427433107;BingoBoingo;WTF they hash their inventory? 1074334;1427433616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171400 @ 0.00025874 = 44.348 BTC [-] {2} 1074335;1427433617;mircea_popescu;de facto. 1074336;1427433650;mircea_popescu;turn HerpenStock Ultra Plus into Herpnstk Ult P 1074337;1427433658;mircea_popescu;it's a hash innit ? shitty one but nevertheless 1074338;1427434056;BingoBoingo;lol 1074339;1427435324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 311250 @ 0.00026011 = 80.9592 BTC [+] {4} 1074340;1427436117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103400 @ 0.0002552 = 26.3877 BTC [-] {2} 1074341;1427436849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34645 @ 0.00025512 = 8.8386 BTC [-] 1074342;1427437844;mircea_popescu;http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60691727.jpg 1074343;1427437846;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgnfNX ) 1074344;1427437886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00025695 = 29.7291 BTC [+] {2} 1074345;1427438276;felipelalli;Guys, I just wrote an article about BTCJam: https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/btcjam-e-genericos-nao-use/ 1074346;1427438277;assbot;BTCJam e genéricos: não use | Yeppuda Productions ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgoLjc ) 1074347;1427438282;felipelalli;Thank you for all, and thanks mircea_popescu 1074348;1427438384;felipelalli;I have to sleep, here 3:40 AM. I'll see your feedback later. 1074349;1427438404;mircea_popescu;http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists. 1074350;1427438405;assbot;Rape Closet — marla ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTc5Mf ) 1074351;1427438557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 219925 @ 0.00024899 = 54.7591 BTC [-] {4} 1074352;1427439043;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/27/lets-do-health-care/ 1074353;1427439176;pete_dushenski;wd on the logs today gents! 1074354;1427439354;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073280 << if #b-a ever had a tagline, this'd be it. 1074355;1427439354;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 00:13:13; mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline. 1074356;1427439363;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thinking on the ghetto stuff... it would perhaps not be inconceivable that the contemporaneous jewish obsession with socialism is derived from the utter failure of their previous, individualistic, capitalist approach. 1074357;1427439387;mircea_popescu;overcompensation if you will, against the thing that produced the "train ticket sold for diamonds" as well as the "i'm fine, even have caviar, what if the world is coming apart" 1074358;1427439422;mircea_popescu;which may even explain the "civilised world" obsession with same, if one subscribes to the theory that hey, said world's been doing nothing but cribbing the jews since whatever, 500ad. 1074359;1427439474;mircea_popescu;in this worldview, the completely insane political construction of "the state of israel" suddenly makes sense, and a lot of it. key to perpetuating the welfare state - no peace in palestine. 1074360;1427439545;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, once one end's threatened, tptb would increase the pressure on the sore spot - hence all the realignment behind palestine these days. 1074361;1427439559;mircea_popescu;chiefly by us - the socialist entity most threatened in its socialism. 1074362;1427439618;pete_dushenski;i can see that. 1074363;1427439626;mircea_popescu;o hay p 1074364;1427439637;pete_dushenski;hey! 1074365;1427439658;pete_dushenski;the jewish thinking being: if we're all the same, no one will notice that jews != gentiles 1074366;1427439674;pete_dushenski;so ya, there's "no colour, no gender" etc. 1074367;1427439685;mircea_popescu;i thought that was the idea behind "hygienic" circumcision 1074368;1427439722;pete_dushenski;if one is to ascribe any purpose to it 1074369;1427439730;pete_dushenski;other than "do this to prove your faith" 1074370;1427439743;mircea_popescu;i suppose cutting bits of genitals is the sort of thing that's interesting enough to explain itself, 1074371;1427439761;pete_dushenski;right. like not eating delicious pork. 1074372;1427439773;pete_dushenski;prove that you're strong enough to abstain, strong enough to slice nuts, etc. 1074373;1427439788;mircea_popescu;pork's not *that* great. 1074374;1427439793;mircea_popescu;lobster tho. fucking insanity. 1074375;1427439810;pete_dushenski;eh really ? shellfish does't do it for me 1074376;1427439823;pete_dushenski;pulled pork and bacon though... yum! 1074377;1427439845;pete_dushenski;though not "canadian back bacon" 1074378;1427439851;pete_dushenski;that shit's weird. 1074379;1427439900;mircea_popescu;"Ganhava um pouco, e perdia muito. Meu saldo final, depois de muito trabalho e tempo, foi APR de -13.27% aos investimentos atrelados ao dólare e +6,44% em bitcoin." 1074380;1427439901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.0002352 = 8.6318 BTC [-] 1074381;1427439901;pete_dushenski;either way, the hygienic hypothesis for circumcision, shellfish, and trichinella breeders is very modern. 1074382;1427439913;pete_dushenski;and not the least bit supported by history 1074383;1427439915;mircea_popescu;gain a little, lose a lot. i made -13% apr on usd, +6.5% in btc. 1074384;1427440017;mircea_popescu;;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. 1074385;1427440017;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1074386;1427440383;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron "Essa frase foi simplesmente perfeita." < you can nao put on your blog lol 1074387;1427440451;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074043 << a trillion ain't what she used to be. 1074388;1427440451;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 03:17:35; asciilifeform: but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire' 1074389;1427440519;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074075 << jamaicans next door ? 1074390;1427440519;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 03:40:12; mircea_popescu: entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people... 1074391;1427440536;mircea_popescu;not even. 1074392;1427440544;mircea_popescu;i think they just burned like a bale orsomething. 1074393;1427440592;pete_dushenski;maybe their hair ? 1074394;1427440672;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074080 << taleb has his 'black swan horizons universa etf' 1074395;1427440672;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 03:42:59; mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013 1074396;1427440683;mircea_popescu;nah nah 1074397;1427440697;mircea_popescu;was some random guy with a secular short fund that keep rolling options 1074398;1427440706;mircea_popescu;had some success... in the 90s. 1074399;1427440727;pete_dushenski;question: what makes a fund 'secular' ? 1074400;1427440839;mircea_popescu;in this case i just meant, long term. 1074401;1427440853;mircea_popescu;it's quant for "forever", which means whatever, over a decade i guess. 1074402;1427440868;mircea_popescu;"secular trend" = "it was a trend before i was in business" 1074403;1427440913;pete_dushenski;aok. i'd heard the term, but it never really meant anything to me 1074404;1427440927;pete_dushenski;turns out, "before i was in business" doesn't actually mean shit anyways! 1074405;1427440949;pete_dushenski;either way, ty. 1074406;1427440978;mircea_popescu;in general it should mean either, if used as a time indication, to do with centuries, or else, esp if used in a religious setting, a synonym for "temporal", ie, not divine. 1074407;1427441051;pete_dushenski;this just being in the context of trends ? or how else can it be used ? other than "secular society" 1074408;1427441169;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c21187c5471edd7c3b5aa85b967902fc/tumblr_ndhj805tOr1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg 1074409;1427441170;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsFg89 ) 1074410;1427441197;mircea_popescu;;;google secularisation 1074411;1427441197;gribble;Secularization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; secularisation - definition of secularisation by The Free Dictionary: ; Secularisation Theory: Will Modern Society Reject Religion? What is ...: 1074412;1427441239;pete_dushenski;gotcha 1074413;1427441399;mircea_popescu;introducing... the electric rapestation. http://40.media.tumblr.com/624a2dd83f83285420502e29365132e7/tumblr_nix7jyFzTs1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg 1074414;1427441401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CfUMD7 ) 1074415;1427441761;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: is the new trilema header of you with a jacket over your shoulder or are you pointing at the camera/reader ? 1074416;1427441788;mircea_popescu;the ambiguity makes for a good pic neh ? 1074417;1427441870;pete_dushenski;in a "under-bridge stencil" sort of way, i suppose ;) 1074418;1427441935;mircea_popescu;:p 1074419;1427442265;pete_dushenski;bon soir b-a! 1074420;1427442443;cazalla;friday afternoon, beer and the release of pillars of eternity.. gg! 1074421;1427442816;mircea_popescu;is it any good ? 1074422;1427443324;cazalla;mircea_popescu, only just started but the char creation has plenty of customization 1074423;1427443374;mircea_popescu;aha 1074424;1427443377;mircea_popescu;unity engine huh. 1074425;1427443386;mircea_popescu;but i guess for this sort of thing it's actually ideal. 1074426;1427443593;mircea_popescu;More interestingly, ChangeTip doesn't even actually use Bitcoin -- it maintains a centralized, internal ledger of "who" has "how many bits" and then, when the user is ready to cash out, pockets the ledger-balance of "bits" and delivers dollars to their banking account. At no point in the entire process is a user does a user ever actually have to touch bitcoin, and at no point in the entire process of tipping is any mon 1074427;1427443593;mircea_popescu;ey actually being moved around on the blockchain. Essentially, ChangeTip is a Bitcoin-based startup that in no way utilizes Bitcoin, save for the fanatical frenzy of the community of bagholders. 1074428;1427443595;mircea_popescu;ahaha epic. 1074429;1427443642;mircea_popescu;the only problem with that statement is that "a community" consisting of some third worlders hired by a local company hired by a vc flea hired by a usg flea is really not all that much. 1074430;1427443866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220800 @ 0.00023405 = 51.6782 BTC [-] {3} 1074431;1427444049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196800 @ 0.00022477 = 44.2347 BTC [-] {2} 1074432;1427444415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234568 @ 0.00025274 = 59.2847 BTC [+] {2} 1074433;1427444659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265432 @ 0.000262 = 69.5432 BTC [+] 1074434;1427444904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 948467 @ 0.00025977 = 246.3833 BTC [-] {5} 1074435;1427445106;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1074436;1427445112;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 247.18, vol: 7891.78309607 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 244.851, vol: 11191.44133 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 246.64, vol: 37085.93177561 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 250.0, vol: 9.59607962 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 245.52017, vol: 190089.18580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 245.89158, vol: 13.25006486 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 248.929, vol: 49.522709 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1074437;1427445659;BingoBoingo;;;more 1074438;1427445660;gribble;245.712418481 1074439;1427446249;BingoBoingo;!up Asa9t1 1074440;1427448653;cazalla;mircea_popescu, what's wrong with unity? this game is preddy good btw 1074441;1427449234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 206650 @ 0.00026765 = 55.3099 BTC [+] {3} 1074442;1427449417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215250 @ 0.000265 = 57.0413 BTC [-] 1074443;1427452589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194823 @ 0.00026984 = 52.571 BTC [+] {3} 1074444;1427457372;danielpbarron;height=300528 vs height=217406 1074445;1427458750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 78 @ 0.01409741 = 1.0996 BTC [-] {6} 1074446;1427460837;jurov;http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=https://iyouport.com/archives/25775&prev=search 1074447;1427460838;assbot;Google Translate ... ( http://bit.ly/1yim7Rb ) 1074448;1427460848;jurov;"China was unable to block Github because of the huge cost to its technology industry." 1074449;1427461130;nubbins`;canada was unable to ban marijuana because everybody fuckin smokes it 1074450;1427461317;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists. <<< "it isn't hard to get candy. all i do is go to granny's house, since granny keeps candy there for me. i mention that i love candy and wait. i've also used my aunt, left my mouth open, gone into a torpor, only to be awoken later by the gummy bears. some of the hottest food ever. 1074451;1427461318;assbot;Rape Closet — marla ... ( http://bit.ly/1D5RGVI ) 1074452;1427461495;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> pork's not *that* great. <<< ah get out 1074453;1427461516;nubbins`;<+pete_dushenski> though not "canadian back bacon" <<< you mean ham? :D 1074454;1427461607;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. <<< big spender! 1074455;1427462007;nubbins`;pete_dushenski http://i.imgur.com/z1q3Uc5.png heehee! 1074456;1427462009;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D5UodO ) 1074457;1427464545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178400 @ 0.00026868 = 47.9325 BTC [-] {2} 1074458;1427464789;nubbins`;so this truck was seen speeding towards the airport in ukraine earlier today: http://i.imgur.com/tu9LLzF.jpg 1074459;1427464790;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCY0Hc ) 1074460;1427464793;nubbins`;black ops 1074461;1427464971;mats;lol. 1074462;1427465887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109000 @ 0.000265 = 28.885 BTC [-] 1074463;1427467750;thestringpuller;jurov: http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30d6h1/a_rbuttcoin_thread_about_changetip_you_should/cprl0nk << what the actual fuck?!?!? 1074464;1427467768;thestringpuller;some people are so dumb. 1074465;1427467796;nubbins`;;;later tell asciilifeform ado says 1000 @ $15ea, bout the same as other guy 1074466;1427467797;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1074467;1427468044;mod6;!t m s.mpoe 1074468;1427468044;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00015665 / 0.00023305 / 0.00027047 (8535021 shares, 1,989.17 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024306 / 0.00030019 (16754205 shares, 4,072.42 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00033332 / 0.0004493 (88257024 shares, 29,418.70 BTC) 1074469;1427468344;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/gallery/Cwma0Kf 1074470;1427468345;assbot; A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxec9q ) 1074471;1427468348;*;nubbins` gasps for air 1074472;1427468428;mike_c;that is oddly disturbing 1074473;1427468487;mod6;i like the BTC truck 1074474;1427468753;Adlai;3way fswap? 1074475;1427469212;nubbins`;!up Chillum 1074476;1427469215;nubbins`;hi 1074477;1427469216;Chillum;thanks 1074478;1427469219;nubbins`;np 1074479;1427469233;nubbins`;!up Uglux 1074480;1427469298;nubbins`;https://www.sparkfun.com/ArduinoDay2015 1074481;1427469301;assbot;Arduino Day 2015 - SparkFun Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxeRI9 ) 1074482;1427469319;nubbins`;!s cardano entropy 1074483;1427469320;assbot;8 results for 'cardano entropy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano+entropy 1074484;1427469366;nubbins`;!s cardano from:asciilifeform 1074485;1427469367;assbot;74 results for 'cardano from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano+from%3Aasciilifeform 1074486;1427469373;nubbins`;^ some links to start you out, Chillum 1074487;1427469383;nubbins`;(not the sparkfun one, that was a general share) 1074488;1427469406;Chillum;interesting 1074489;1427469514;nubbins`;also http://trilema.com/cardano-xmas-blown-other-statements 1074490;1427469515;assbot;Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxf1iy ) 1074491;1427469522;nubbins`;comments have some dieharder test results 1074492;1427469565;nubbins`;"Sum-up : 73 tests performed. Cardano RNG : Failed 2, Weak 5, Passed 66. Radioactive decay : Failed 9, Weak 13, Passed 51. Now go take your current entropy source, put it through diehard and see what happens. " 1074493;1427469582;Chillum;5% will not pass by chance in general 1074494;1427469618;Chillum;one must run the same test many times on different data, only if a test is failing reliably or more than likely by chance is there a problem 1074495;1427469637;Chillum;the radioactive decay looks like it has issues but that is likely due to the sampling methodology 1074496;1427469721;Chillum;while the average rate of radioactive decay is predictable the actual moment of a given decay is very uncertain 1074497;1427469756;Chillum;any pattern is likely due to sampling bias or an external source of energy 1074498;1427470051;nubbins`;i think you'll fit in here 1074499;1427470057;nubbins`;say, you in the wot? 1074500;1427470071;nubbins`;!gettrust chillum 1074501;1427470071;assbot;chillum is not registered in WoT. 1074502;1427470083;nubbins`;^ grab a pgp key and wrap up 1074503;1427470084;Chillum;oh I will fix that 1074504;1427470096;nubbins`;try /msg assbot !register or smth 1074505;1427470134;nubbins`;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1074506;1427470135;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 ) 1074507;1427470149;Chillum;;;ident 1074508;1427470149;gribble;Nick 'Chillum', with hostmask 'Chillum!~highinbc@wikipedia/Chillum', is identified as user 'Chillum', with GPG key id FD5A63B9EAC2A55E, key fingerprint 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E, and bitcoin address 1CHiLLUm1p2CzQrDPB1Tgs3t3jVbuBH1y3 1074509;1427470169;nubbins`;Chillum assbot's wot split from gribble's a while back 1074510;1427470179;Chillum;oh 1074511;1427470187;nubbins`;you can use your current key, try !register 1074512;1427470243;Chillum;!register 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E 1074513;1427470243;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E. This may take a few moments. 1074514;1427470255;assbot;Key EAC2A55E / "HighInBC/H/Until(1 == 2)/Chillum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chillum)" successfully imported. 1074515;1427470255;assbot;Registration successful. 1074516;1427470260;nubbins`;woo 1074517;1427470264;nubbins`;!down Chillum 1074518;1427470272;nubbins`;now /msg assbot !up 1074519;1427470288;nubbins`;then /msg assbot !verify 1074520;1427470335;nubbins`;!rate chillum 1 a person 1074521;1427470335;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b58f141837e2e284 1074522;1427470376;nubbins`;!verify assbot:nubbins`.rate.chillum.1:aa3ec119b01dd0d523b9536191515784648cf75065d1860a9ec818dafce20f00 1074523;1427470376;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for chillum with note: a person 1074524;1427470379;nubbins`;have at 'er 1074525;1427470452;Chillum;got it 1074526;1427470472;nubbins`;welcome 1074527;1427470486;Chillum;good to be a person 1074528;1427470489;Chillum;in the eyes of assbot 1074529;1427470491;nubbins`;tell me about it, hey? 1074530;1427470593;nubbins`;anyway, poor asciilifeform has been testing the cardano boards like a madman lately 1074531;1427470607;nubbins`;in between constructing a pick-n-place in his house 1074532;1427470612;nubbins`;and i think he has a job too 8) 1074533;1427470637;Chillum;how do they interface? Do they have serial out? 1074534;1427470663;*;Chillum can just google it lol 1074535;1427470696;nubbins`;http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ 1074536;1427470696;assbot;S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlHY0Q ) 1074537;1427470713;nubbins`;careful, you'll run out of credits if you click too many links ;p 1074538;1427470816;Chillum;the major flaw with most HWRNGs is the lack of failure detection 1074539;1427470874;nubbins`;nod 1074540;1427470878;asciilifeform;actually the most glaring flaw with virtually all hardware rng is lack of auditability. 1074541;1427470892;nubbins`;oh here we go, someone qualified can take over 1074542;1427470908;asciilifeform;actually on my way somewhere, so will have to happen later. 1074543;1427470915;nubbins`;:D 1074544;1427470945;Chillum;lol, that zap switch will burn out the EPROM if used for too long 1074545;1427470954;Chillum;they have a limited number of writes 1074546;1427470978;nubbins`;nothin' lasts forever! 1074547;1427470991;Chillum;other than auditability how could one detect a subtle failure? 1074548;1427471037;Chillum;I like that it uses 2 trngs through a xor gate. Often that is implemented in software with two devices 1074549;1427471080;Chillum;asciilifeform: This is what started nubbins` and I on the conversation: http://static.highinbc.com/20150313_194522.jpg 1074550;1427471086;Chillum;it is using the hwrng in a raspberry pi 1074551;1427471122;Chillum;I wrote the code myself, it calls vanitygen pointed to the hwrng 1074552;1427471143;Chillum;well I am using rng-tools to point /dev/hwrng to /dev/random 1074553;1427471256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.000265 = 17.278 BTC [-] 1074554;1427471443;danielpbarron;Chillum, what is that device in the picture? 1074555;1427471457;danielpbarron;it looks like a newer version of the piper thing 1074556;1427471465;Chillum;It is a raspberry pi connected to a button and a tty receipt printer 1074557;1427471475;Chillum;it was from a kit meant to printer a twitter feed in real time 1074558;1427471489;Chillum;I started with a fresh OS and wrote the bitcoin wallet printer 1074559;1427471499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.0002701 = 5.9692 BTC [+] 1074560;1427471509;danielpbarron;woah, that twitter thing sounds cool 1074561;1427471512;Chillum;a cheap offline computer for printer paper wallets 1074562;1427471531;Chillum;danielpbarron: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1289 1074563;1427471532;assbot;Adafruit IoT Pi Printer Project Pack - Includes Raspberry Pi ID: 1289 - $189.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlIZpO ) 1074564;1427471540;Chillum;you can get the parts way cheaper 1074565;1427471561;danielpbarron;have you seen this? -> https://piperwallet.com/gallery.php 1074566;1427471563;assbot;Piper: A Bitcoin paper wallet printer. Securely backup & store your digital currency ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlJ5Of ) 1074567;1427471564;Chillum;it is a $40 printer and a $35 Pi, a power supply a button some wires and a case 1074568;1427471587;Chillum;hehe I did not know about that 1074569;1427471590;Chillum;and here I thought I was being clever 1074570;1427471604;danielpbarron;newp 1074571;1427471605;Chillum;looks like the same printer too 1074572;1427471613;danielpbarron;i've had a piper printer for a couple years now i think 1074573;1427471625;danielpbarron;i sorta bricked it 1074574;1427471644;Chillum;Still, I will always write my own paper wallet software that uses vanitygen. You never know if some 3rd party programmed it to only make 500 million keys and has then precomputed 1074575;1427471646;danielpbarron;probably fixable but i wouldn't want to actually send funds to any address it produces anyway 1074576;1427471670;danielpbarron;yeah i was trying to get mine to pull from a list of pre-generated addresses that i supplied 1074577;1427471686;danielpbarron;in addition to modifying the artwork 1074578;1427471690;Chillum;if you limit your generator to a smaller keyspace that you precompute then you don't need a backchannel of communications 1074579;1427471715;Chillum;If you want that then use a deterministic wallet 1074580;1427471728;Chillum;unlimited keys with the advantage of backup. 1074581;1427471736;danielpbarron;meh 1074582;1427471740;Chillum;but really I want mine to forget right away. I have no swap and do everything in RAM 1074583;1427471749;danielpbarron;i liked it for handing out freebies to people i met 1074584;1427471755;Chillum;no temp files, the user running it has read only access to the drive 1074585;1427471757;danielpbarron;but i'm done with that spammy nonsense 1074586;1427471781;nubbins`;freebie handouts 1074587;1427471787;nubbins`;not a great way to make people care, hey? 1074588;1427471789;Chillum;I am pretty sure I am not writing to disk. No flashing green light 1074589;1427471800;Chillum;I did a scan for keystrings and did not find them 1074590;1427471828;Chillum;nubbins`: If I gave out bitcoin samples it would be in the form of a coupon that expires. If you just give out wallets half the people will throw them out 1074591;1427471841;Chillum;have some service that lets them claim it if they are actually interested 1074592;1427471879;danielpbarron;yeah i should have let mine save the private keys 1074593;1427471883;nubbins`;just give em a privkey, and take the money back if it's still there after x days :P 1074594;1427471889;danielpbarron;and told people i'd sweep the funds back after X time 1074595;1427471896;Chillum;nubbins`: what if they add to the key??? 1074596;1427471905;danielpbarron;now i'm responsible for some "burned" coins forever bloating the tx pool :< 1074597;1427471907;nubbins`;score 1074598;1427471910;Chillum;lol 1074599;1427471976;danielpbarron;oo, instead of twitter feed, i could make one of these print MPEx stocks 1074600;1427471980;Chillum;Before I was using a perl script that made a png that I printed on my laser printer and deleted. Sooo copy on my hard drive, copy on my printer, copy going over my network to the printer. I said "There has to be a better way" 1074601;1427471986;Chillum;I feel much safer with my offline printer 1074602;1427471995;Chillum;yes, it can do pretty much anything 1074603;1427472004;Chillum;the python library makes it fairly easy to use too 1074604;1427472015;Chillum;text is as simple as printer.println("This is text") 1074605;1427472017;nubbins`;that's heat sensitive paper? 1074606;1427472022;Chillum;ya 1074607;1427472030;nubbins`;hope ya don't store those long-term :D 1074608;1427472033;Chillum;dirt cheap, but don't get the printouts hot 1074609;1427472037;nubbins`;yah 1074610;1427472040;nubbins`;even time will fade em 1074611;1427472046;Chillum;I have a plastic card printer for long term wallets 1074612;1427472050;nubbins`;oh, nice. 1074613;1427472054;Chillum;like ID style 1074614;1427472058;nubbins`;always wanted one 1074615;1427472063;nubbins`;not so much since i turned 19 1074616;1427472066;Chillum;images need to be converted into 2 bit bitmap but there are examples online 1074617;1427472079;Chillum;The EPPSON R280 is what you want 1074618;1427472086;Chillum;out of production but still on ebay 1074619;1427472106;Chillum;you need to replace the DVD tray with a card tray from a Chinese company that also sells the blank cards 1074620;1427472108;Chillum;or ebay 1074621;1427472128;nubbins`;epson printers are great, i've got two wide-format ones 1074622;1427472142;*;Chillum is jealous 1074623;1427472149;nubbins`;never thought of getting a card tray for one :D 1074624;1427472160;thestringpuller;nubbins` you are a such a candian hipster 1074625;1427472162;Chillum;I want to invest in a wide format printer and a laser cutter. I just have nowhere to put them 1074626;1427472163;nubbins`;Chillum they're like $300! get one 1074627;1427472175;nubbins`;granted, only 13" wide, but who cares? 1074628;1427472177;Chillum;I would need to pay like $500 a month more rent to get a bigger place 1074629;1427472183;Chillum;this city is stupid expensive 1074630;1427472226;nubbins`;then you get a CISS from cobra inks 1074631;1427472238;Chillum;I am trying to find a place with an extra room for a workspace but nothing really available. After the university lets out I may have more like 1074632;1427472240;nubbins`;and start paying $20 per 16oz instead of $1000 1074633;1427472284;Chillum;oh ya, continuous ink is mandatory if you are going to go into commercial production 1074634;1427472285;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/5uggnbK 1074635;1427472285;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlKm7Z ) 1074636;1427472300;nubbins`;we have two: one color (pictured), one with 6 black tanks 1074637;1427472333;Chillum;nice, does it have the secondary reservoir so you can keep printing when you switch out the bottles, or is it a fill from the top system? 1074638;1427472347;nubbins`;secondary reservoir. it uses negative pressure 1074639;1427472354;Chillum;that is the way to go 1074640;1427472358;nubbins`;you can see those tanks are split vertically 1074641;1427472368;nubbins`;back (right-side) half is much lower 1074642;1427472372;nubbins`;that's where the printhead draws from 1074643;1427472394;nubbins`;you just gotta swap the rubber stoppers to maintain pressure 1074644;1427472396;Chillum;the printer kit called for soldering but I did the whole thing with pin header wires 1074645;1427472411;nubbins`;this one just clicks into place 1074646;1427472416;nubbins`;fake printhead 1074647;1427472416;Chillum;the one thing I like about thermal paper(as crappy as it is) is that you don't need ink 1074648;1427472431;nubbins`;yeah 1074649;1427472436;nubbins`;ink cost is pretty minimal here 1074650;1427472461;Chillum;costs 1 cent for each 3.5 wallets by my calculations 1074651;1427472484;nubbins`;nb 1074652;1427472736;Chillum;if the piper is running a raspberry pi then it is far from bricked. Just reimage the sd card with raspbian then plug it into ethernet, nmap for port 22 and login user/password pi/raspbian 1074653;1427472750;Chillum;then you can get the python thermalprinter library and do whatever you like 1074654;1427472768;mats;http://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2015-49.html#.VRSPA_nF8qx 1074655;1427472769;assbot;SEC.gov | SEC Adopts Rules to Facilitate Smaller Companies’ Access to Capital ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSkiTz ) 1074656;1427472792;mats;pump ze bubble 1074657;1427473322;funkenstein_;ze new rules provide more choices 1074658;1427474113;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/bianca-s-gift-cards-no-longer-accepted-at-bistro-sofia-and-black-sea-1.3011771 1074659;1427474115;assbot;Bianca's gift cards no longer accepted at Bistro Sofia and Black Sea - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSsPpD ) 1074660;1427474161;nubbins`;this is what happens when you do people a favor 1074661;1427474184;nubbins`;oh n/m, "I wouldn't say angry, but disappointed for sure." 1074662;1427474189;nubbins`;that's reasonable 1074663;1427474244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00026549 = 6.2921 BTC [-] 1074664;1427474401;danielpbarron;"The debt is up to $1,000 now, so we have to draw the line somewhere." << wtf kind of business is this?? 1074665;1427474440;nubbins`;danielpbarron restaurant X goes outta business. X strikes up a deal with Y and Z: if they accept X's gift certs, they'll be reimbursed. 1074666;1427474449;nubbins`;Y and Z start accepting gift certs 1074667;1427474453;nubbins`;X stops reimbursing 1074668;1427474479;nubbins`;given that most of the certs were prob for $50-100, how much of a balance would YOU rack up before you stopped honoring them? 1074669;1427474489;nubbins`;keep in mind that X went out of business because they were broke. 1074670;1427474518;danielpbarron;sounds to me like a pretty cheap ad campaign 1074671;1427474525;nubbins`;also keep in mind last line of article: "March is a graveyard for restaurants." 1074672;1427474538;nubbins`;ad campaign for who? 1074673;1427474579;danielpbarron;the restaurants getting the overflow business 1074674;1427474606;nubbins`;sure, unless the overflow business is paying in worthless scrip. 1074675;1427474633;nubbins`;"this really worked, look at all the funbucks in the register" know what i mean? 1074676;1427474635;danielpbarron;they could be like.. "gift cards good for food, you buy the booze" 1074677;1427474657;nubbins`;or they could be like "paying customers only" :D 1074678;1427474787;Chillum;hmm I wonder if a universal gift card could be created that used bitcoin backing 1074679;1427474799;Chillum;well of course it could be created, would it be embraced 1074680;1427474832;Chillum;call it foodcoin so they are not scared 1074681;1427474956;danielpbarron;you mean a credit/debit card denominated in bitcoin? i'm sure these will exist after the dollar collapses 1074682;1427475015;nubbins`;who'd sell them though? 1074683;1427475017;trinque;danielpbarron: this is how I'd expect everyman transactions to take place 1074684;1427475024;nubbins`;this would be like restaurants selling USD. 1074685;1427475027;trinque;instead of the "btc for latte" situation 1074686;1427475049;Chillum;credit cards started as dining cards 1074687;1427475058;Chillum;it is just a way to introduce the public to an idea 1074688;1427475063;Chillum;through food 1074689;1427475065;trinque;that's also my answer to people who want bitcoin to be visa... build visa *atop* bitcoin 1074690;1427475068;danielpbarron;sell them? you don't get countless credit card applications in the mail? 1074691;1427475068;trinque;nothing's stopping you 1074692;1427475082;mircea_popescu;nubbins` anyone so inclined, basically. 1074693;1427475101;mircea_popescu;Chillum has it, the current credit card is no sort of broad idea or innovation or anything. just an overgrown gift card. 1074694;1427475109;Chillum;the restaurants could act as places to buy/sell foodcoin(bitcoin) 1074695;1427475109;danielpbarron;the majority of my snail mail is credit card spam 1074696;1427475118;Chillum;people won't like the changing value though 1074697;1427475139;mircea_popescu;by then, not much room for value to change TO 1074698;1427475139;danielpbarron;that's why i prefaced with "after the dollar collapses" 1074699;1427475148;funkenstein_;they didn't like leaving french francs or old chinese yuan either 1074700;1427475151;mircea_popescu;why do you think usg dollar is stable, zimbabweg dollar is not ? 1074701;1427475152;danielpbarron;things will be priced in satoshi, not bitcoin 1074702;1427475160;mircea_popescu;because of any difference in policy / quality / wealth / value ? 1074703;1427475162;Chillum;it is not stable 1074704;1427475163;mircea_popescu;neah. just... size. 1074705;1427475169;Chillum;it is just commonly used as a reference 1074706;1427475182;funkenstein_;big ships never sink, it's well known 1074707;1427475189;Chillum;lol 1074708;1427475191;mircea_popescu;well so then. once bitcoin is commonly used as reference, there's no change for people not to like 1074709;1427475195;mircea_popescu;as it's not changing 1074710;1427475199;Chillum;yup 1074711;1427475207;felipelalli;felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. << mircea_popescu it would be perfect. 1074712;1427475212;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ ships have to interact with the sea. big shits however, mostly interact with people's heads. 1074713;1427475221;mircea_popescu;felipelalli so go for it 1074714;1427475235;funkenstein_;how to sink the shit is the question then 1074715;1427475244;*;mircea_popescu building hawala on top of hawala since 2011! 1074716;1427475264;mircea_popescu;i dunno funkenstein_, this stinker's a floater >D 1074717;1427475291;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: :) 1074718;1427475296;felipelalli;Have you guys read the article? 1074719;1427475300;Chillum;the rising tide raises all ships, well the ones that don't sink 1074720;1427475308;danielpbarron;felipelalli, i have 1074721;1427475312;funkenstein_;rising tUSD 1074722;1427475330;felipelalli;danielpbarron: makes sense? 1074723;1427475337;danielpbarron;yep 1074724;1427475362;felipelalli;the impact being quite interesting in the Brazilian community. 1074725;1427475428;felipelalli;a lot of people came to congratulate me, but all in pvt. and few people disagreed, but who disagreed did so in public. 1074726;1427475436;mircea_popescu;felipelalli go sign "Hello this is not dog" with the address in question. 1074727;1427475593;mircea_popescu;;;seen brendafdez 1074728;1427475594;gribble;brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 17 hours, 54 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. 1074729;1427475635;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/30hdao/whats_the_most_impressive_dish_even_an_idiot_can/ 1074730;1427475637;assbot;What's the Most Impressive Dish even an Idiot Can Cook for a Girl He Lied To About Being a Chef? : AskReddit ... ( http://bit.ly/19pLslL ) 1074731;1427475697;danielpbarron;chicken cordon bleu is pretty simple 1074732;1427475714;nubbins`;http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2008-05-22/how-japan-helped-ease-the-rice-crisisbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice 1074733;1427475717;assbot;How Japan Helped Ease the Rice Crisis - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/19pLFoT ) 1074734;1427475726;nubbins`;cooking most things is... pretty simple 1074735;1427475738;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: thank you so much, but I don't need in this moment, and I hope not need soon, or never. Also, the private keys of my btcs isn't so easy to access right now. But if I need it one day for (an investment in my company maybe?), the first place I'll try is here. But I won't, don't worry. I think my loans on btcjam was another excitement test than real need. I thoroughly enjoyed your offer, very grateful for that. 1074736;1427475770;danielpbarron;hard thing is getting the rice just right if you've never done it before; or the steak.. or the eggs 1074737;1427475823;danielpbarron;felipelalli, i gathered from your article that you were more a lender than a borrower 1074738;1427475830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144850 @ 0.000265 = 38.3853 BTC [-] 1074739;1427475861;felipelalli;danielpbarron: not big lender, I think I was using it like a bet house, just playing it. 1074740;1427475873;felipelalli;the ugly truth! 1074741;1427475876;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/i5zd2hT.gif 1074742;1427475881;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxkFBs ) 1074743;1427475881;nubbins`;^ dat lane change 1074744;1427475901;danielpbarron;felipelalli, have you heard of mpex and bitbet ? 1074745;1427475927;felipelalli;mpex yes, bitbet yes but I don't remember. 1074746;1427475941;felipelalli;ah yes!! I use it. 1074747;1427475948;felipelalli;well, I used in the past* 1074748;1427475954;danielpbarron;so there you go! turns out you didn't even need btcjam 1074749;1427475957;felipelalli;it's fun to play sometimes. 1074750;1427475966;felipelalli;danielpbarron: yes!! :) 1074751;1427475967;mircea_popescu;nubbins` actually, pork wellington imo. 1074752;1427475975;mircea_popescu;it's certainly what i use to show girls they can be chefs too! 1074753;1427475995;nubbins`;i've never done anything wellington, but have been threatening to for a while 1074754;1427476010;nubbins`;aaaand i've got a dozen pork tenderloins on hand.... 1074755;1427476012;mircea_popescu;it's very simple : boil liver, make dough, sear tenderloin. 1074756;1427476046;mircea_popescu;mix liver with cream, vinegar, allspice into a paste. rub all over tenderloin. place on dough, seal, rub egg yolk over, stick in oven 1074757;1427476055;mircea_popescu;there's literally nothing you can fuck up in there. 1074758;1427476065;felipelalli;The irony: soon after I published my article in the Brazilian community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=m6BTX292 1074759;1427476066;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19pMJt4 ) 1074760;1427476103;felipelalli;Making spam in our group. 1074761;1427476117;mircea_popescu;obviously you can trim that. but odds are the girl never had it anyway, so she won't know. 1074762;1427476176;nubbins`;http://np.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/30g1nh/found_this_in_my_sisters_closet_while_helping_her/cps3dik 1074763;1427476179;assbot;Inigo93 comments on Found this in my sister's closet while helping her move. What is this hook looking thing for? ... ( http://bit.ly/19pN4vF ) 1074764;1427476220;mircea_popescu;aaahgahaha 1074765;1427476223;mircea_popescu;share the sister. 1074766;1427476233;nubbins`;:D 1074767;1427476291;nubbins`;"i'd suggest you put it back and forget about it" haha 1074768;1427476301;felipelalli;ahhahahahahaha 1074769;1427476305;mircea_popescu;!up qntranet 1074770;1427476310;nubbins`;mircea_popescu are you a meat-thermometer type of guy or an "i think it's done now" type of guy 1074771;1427476313;mircea_popescu;"put it back in" 1074772;1427476319;nubbins`;^^^ 1074773;1427476332;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you can't undercook the meat without undercooking the dough is the beauty of it 1074774;1427476341;BingoBoingo;^ 1074775;1427476345;nubbins`;it looks like the ball is removable. i'd get a larger ball, swap it out, THEN put the hook back where i found it. 1074776;1427476350;mircea_popescu;so you know, if it's all gross don't eat it. 1074777;1427476364;nubbins`;mircea_popescu but the dummies on hell's kitchen ALWAYS fuck up the wellington! 1074778;1427476373;mircea_popescu;i tihnk that must be an insider joke 1074779;1427476379;nubbins`;tbf a gremlin is screaming at them to hurry up 1074780;1427476382;Adlai;BingoBoingo: what's the preferred way to encode qntra articles? 1074781;1427476389;Adlai;in terms of footnotes, links, quotes, etc... html? 1074782;1427476390;nubbins`;so i think they just don't give a fuck if it's done or not 1074783;1427476404;mircea_popescu;nubbins` besides, if you're worried use beef 1074784;1427476408;mircea_popescu;then it literally does not matter. 1074785;1427476410;nubbins`;nod 1074786;1427476416;mircea_popescu;"i've seared it, haven't i ?!" 1074787;1427476417;nubbins`;TBF i just use a meat thermometer :P 1074788;1427476425;mircea_popescu;you can't really do that in a dough seal. 1074789;1427476435;nubbins`;not w/o making a steam vent, hey 1074790;1427476458;nubbins`;yeah, i'mma try this. 1074791;1427476469;nubbins`;i've got regular pork tenderloin down to a science 1074792;1427476471;nubbins`;time to up my game 1074793;1427476482;BingoBoingo;Adlai: footnotes inline surrounded by double paren, html format links, bold, other emphasis, mark your blockquotes somehow 1074794;1427476499;nubbins`;haha man these fat fucks moved in a couple houses down. Domino's pizza delivered to the house every day at noon for the past 10 days. 1074795;1427476503;mircea_popescu;nubbins` sauteed mushrooms if you have em 1074796;1427476510;mircea_popescu;thin sliced portobello... 1074797;1427476520;Adlai;so like this((footnote)), for example? 1074798;1427476525;nubbins`;mircea_popescu once the searing is done, i rough-chop an onion and throw that in the cast iron w/ whole baby bella mushrooms 1074799;1427476529;nubbins`;then whole works in oven 1074800;1427476530;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Yeah 1074801;1427476538;mircea_popescu;Adlai no, like this ((footnote)) 1074802;1427476541;mircea_popescu;needs the leading space 1074803;1427476558;nubbins`;after you take the pork outta the pan, 1/4 cup red wine to deglaze 1074804;1427476561;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you want them thin slices. 1074805;1427476564;nubbins`;headiest pan sauce ever 1074806;1427476571;mircea_popescu;for wellington i mean 1074807;1427476574;nubbins`;a 1074808;1427476576;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> needs the leading space << This is what editors are for 1074809;1427476586;nubbins`;i do have some huge portobellos here 1074810;1427476623;*;nubbins` tempted to get a vac sealer for marinating too 1074811;1427476636;nubbins`;plastic bag is meh 1074812;1427476647;mircea_popescu;wine not vinegar. 1074813;1427476701;nubbins`;you know i don't marinate with either? 1074814;1427476704;mircea_popescu;nubbins` btw, you ever had pleurotus ? 1074815;1427476708;nubbins`;nope 1074816;1427476725;nubbins`;oh, oyster mush. yeah. 1074817;1427476730;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1074818;1427476733;mircea_popescu;also works well for this purpose. 1074819;1427476752;mircea_popescu;actually... everything works, really, champignon, boletus... 1074820;1427476761;nubbins`;chanterelles grow wild here 1074821;1427476764;nubbins`;should go foraging 1074822;1427476772;mircea_popescu;it's really the world's most tolerant dish, and it seems so damned fancy. 1074823;1427476788;nubbins`;there's maybe two species of mushrooms that i'd feel safe picking outdoors and eating 1074824;1427476789;mircea_popescu;o yeah. or that one how's it called, midget's trumpet 1074825;1427476789;mircea_popescu;brb 1074826;1427476812;mircea_popescu;craterellus cornucopioides 1074827;1427476823;nubbins`;C. Cantharellus and P. Semilanceata 8) 1074828;1427476830;mircea_popescu;aha! 1074829;1427476838;mircea_popescu;dja get the black chanterelle in canada ? 1074830;1427476839;BingoBoingo;Can never go wrong with Morels 1074831;1427476872;nubbins`;hmm i haven't seen em 1074832;1427476882;nubbins`;but that's not to say they don't grow here! 1074833;1427476885;nubbins`;<--city boy 1074834;1427476910;mircea_popescu;should exist, imo it's pretty much everywhere birch grows 1074835;1427476919;nubbins`;we do have birch 1074836;1427476932;mircea_popescu;little dark looking shits, you wouldn't think asnythingof them 1074837;1427476939;nubbins`;i've prolly walked on them :D 1074838;1427476941;mircea_popescu;but they're very tasty and even age well 1074839;1427476982;chetty;<< seriously considers tossing out the meatloaf in the oven and starting over 1074840;1427477002;mircea_popescu;what happened to it / 1074841;1427477020;chetty;nothing but now I am drooling for wellington 1074842;1427477051;nubbins`;wrap it in a pancake. 1074843;1427477053;mircea_popescu;haha tomorrow is another day! 1074844;1427477095;nubbins`;anyway back to where this began 1074845;1427477112;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/30hdao/whats_the_most_impressive_dish_even_an_idiot_can/ 1074846;1427477114;assbot;What's the Most Impressive Dish even an Idiot Can Cook for a Girl He Lied To About Being a Chef? : AskReddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxlRET ) 1074847;1427477130;nubbins`;Let's say you have a girl coming over for dinner, but you lied to her about taking cooking lessons etc... if you don't know a damn thing about cooking, what's an easy but impressive dish even a moron could make? 1074848;1427477140;nubbins`;look, he thinks that "taking cooking lessons" means you're a CHEF. 1074849;1427477156;nubbins`;just like how taking a first aid course makes you a doctor. 1074850;1427477172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154600 @ 0.00026186 = 40.4836 BTC [-] {2} 1074851;1427477178;nubbins`;listen, kid, you have bigger problems than what's for dinner. 1074852;1427477195;mircea_popescu;maybe he should lie about dinner too. 1074853;1427477199;nubbins`;namely, that your girl is gonna think you have tumbleweeds in your head regardless of what you serve her 1074854;1427477217;nubbins`;one of the suggestions was "tell her you don't mix business with pleasure" and order take-out 1074855;1427477220;nubbins`;lel, +1. 1074856;1427477227;mircea_popescu;nubbins` in my experience, girls, and especially at the age apparent here, couldn't give less of a shit what oyu're saying 1074857;1427477232;mircea_popescu;they're just excited your lips are moving. 1074858;1427477279;mircea_popescu;(if you don't believe me, ask a teenager for a summary of what the boy said on their date. prepare to be amazed - she has nfi. 1074859;1427477279;nubbins`;another guy suggests buying a frozen lasagna and a casserole dish, and faking it 1074860;1427477293;mircea_popescu;then adults derp all over teens for various "Safety consideration".) 1074861;1427477297;nubbins`;"Remember to put all of the packaging in a separate garbage bag, and then dispose of that bag long before she arrives at your place." 1074862;1427477299;nubbins`;hahaha 1074863;1427477307;nubbins`;don't you mean "remember to ask mom if you can use the kitchen"? 1074864;1427477335;mircea_popescu;"mom can I use the kitchen ?" "gtfo you're not having sex in my kitchen" 1074865;1427477341;mircea_popescu;"no mom, i mean use it for cooking" 1074866;1427477343;mircea_popescu;"you can cook ?!" 1074867;1427477364;mircea_popescu;"well... i can't have sex, either! benefit of the suspicion, here!" 1074868;1427477415;mircea_popescu;funny how "i can't cook" means you suck at it, whereas "i can't have sex" means someone's not lettin' you. clearly, i say CLEARLY everyone's great at sex, the impediments can only be evil external stuff. 1074869;1427477721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110050 @ 0.00026147 = 28.7748 BTC [-] 1074870;1427477797;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073477 << btw, not a problem if you use gmail as an smtp server instead of as a mail client 1074871;1427477797;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 00:49:55; nubbins`: yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text 1074872;1427477976;nubbins`;too troo 1074873;1427477986;nubbins`;anyway, got it done ;/ 1074874;1427477991;mircea_popescu;!up CartmanGoon 1074875;1427478003;ben_vulpes;this, ftr, is why i use gmail. 1074876;1427478021;ben_vulpes;the notion that an email coming from a gmail server that doesn't bear my signature is actually from me is downright hilarious. 1074877;1427478022;mircea_popescu;because it sucks but it's free ? 1074878;1427478041;ben_vulpes;nono, they come pre-compromised. 1074879;1427478049;mircea_popescu;ah k 1074880;1427478319;nubbins`;Linuxbrew is a fork of Homebrew, the Mac OS package manager, for Linux. 1074881;1427478321;nubbins`;heh what. 1074882;1427478342;*;nubbins` struggles to find appropriate analogy 1074883;1427478437;mike_c;Krafp cheese is a fork of kraft cheese designed to have a shorter shelf life but taste better. 1074884;1427478495;mike_c;no? maybe a stretch. 1074885;1427478500;nubbins`;sorry 1074886;1427478569;nubbins`;hm buildroot wants ncurses-devel which for the life of me i can't find 1074887;1427478600;mircea_popescu;krapf cheese 1074888;1427478606;mircea_popescu;ok, that's chuckleworthy 1074889;1427478671;mircea_popescu;so argentina called for a general strike. 1074890;1427478693;mircea_popescu;because in a country that's essentially living off fumes, the smartest thing to do is ask for more money from the government. 1074891;1427478734;mircea_popescu;i ownder what they'll actually do once the government stops paying salaries outright. 1074892;1427478739;mircea_popescu;not like anyone has a real job anyway. 1074893;1427478761;mike_c;i heard a south american joke about argentina the other day 1074894;1427478765;mircea_popescu;somehow tho i imagine anything sane, like begging while crawling naked in the street is right out 1074895;1427478777;mircea_popescu;after all, argentina is the african country with highest self-respect per capita. 1074896;1427478782;mircea_popescu;which ? 1074897;1427478783;mike_c;"how do you make money off an argentine? you buy them for what they're worth and sell them for what they think they're worth" 1074898;1427478793;mircea_popescu;this is so eerily apt. 1074899;1427478823;mike_c;apparently everyone else in south america already knew this about them :) 1074900;1427478851;mircea_popescu;it's like living in california once all the americans died out and were replaced with spanish speaking italian gypsies. 1074901;1427478866;mike_c;hehe. there you go nubbins`, that's how you do an analogy 1074902;1427478906;mircea_popescu;anyway, something tells me i'ma have a load of fun this year an' the next. 1074903;1427478919;mircea_popescu;only reason i'm even putting up with the idiocy, i really wish to see this collapse. 1074904;1427479011;mircea_popescu;but i tell you, i doubt there was ever a country that so effectually turned innocent goodwill into entrenched aversion. 1074905;1427479016;mircea_popescu;except perhaps hungary or soemthing. 1074906;1427479273;mircea_popescu;but as an amusing bit of color : presidential elections six months away. eight people are candidates - none of them has a running mate. 1074907;1427479286;mircea_popescu;because seriously, what argentine could possibly be second ?! 1074908;1427479318;mircea_popescu;the only reason they even like messi in the first place is a sort of schelling effect : if they all agree he's the forward, it's ok for all the other 10 players not to be the forward. 1074909;1427479332;mircea_popescu;if messi weren't there, you'd have 11 forwards in the team. yes goalkeeper included. what goalkeeping ?! 1074910;1427479433;Adlai;BingoBoingo: can i use
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1074911;1427479444;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Sure
1074912;1427479456;Adlai;(it's not listen in the tags below the comment box)
1074913;1427479481;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Are you submitting an article or a comment?
1074914;1427479486;Adlai;article
1074915;1427479510;Adlai;re: Tomáš Jiřikovský
1074916;1427479529;BingoBoingo;Ah, yeah articles get to use more tags than comments do
1074917;1427479558;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1074918;1427479615;mircea_popescu;"Today we have taken legal actions against this person and we will charge him for this gossip." lolk
1074919;1427479624;mircea_popescu;is Eva Bartošová hot ?
1074920;1427479647;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX-w1VHQ4q0 kinda not.
1074921;1427479648;assbot;MEDIÃCIA namiesto súdu - Mgr. Eva BartoÅ¡ová - mediátorka.mpg - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu6ExN )
1074922;1427479756;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ar collapse << and the americans won't buy it up at firesale like every other turd world collapsatron?
1074923;1427479783;ascii_field;i mean, this is sorta their planetary business model
1074924;1427479787;mircea_popescu;i dunno.
1074925;1427479801;ascii_field;1) set it on fire 2) wait for fire sale 3) buy 4) ??? 5) profit (tm)
1074926;1427479805;mircea_popescu;atm prices are about 2-300% inflated, easy.
1074927;1427479818;mircea_popescu;for one thing, you can blame the us for anything you wish, but the argentine disaster is 100% argentine made.
1074928;1427479822;mircea_popescu;they wouldn't have it any other way.
1074929;1427479838;ascii_field;y'know, letting idiots set own house on fire is the best arson
1074930;1427479859;mircea_popescu;i'm mildly suprised there's not five million .ar mpexes etc, they seem exactly the right idiots to make glbse shitcascades.
1074931;1427479869;mircea_popescu;"letting" ? cmon.
1074932;1427479884;ascii_field;'letting' as in 'live and let die'
1074933;1427479910;mircea_popescu;right. anyway, it will have to fall a long looong way before it gets anywhere usians will want to buy.
1074934;1427479927;mircea_popescu;why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ?
1074935;1427479952;mircea_popescu;anyway brb
1074936;1427480240;BingoBoingo; why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ? << Argentina, less collapsed than Ohio!!!
1074937;1427480311;ascii_field;the 150k might be a deal
1074938;1427480329;Adlai;BingoBoingo: how's this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fgLwuvLj
1074939;1427480330;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxo2ID )
1074940;1427480330;ascii_field;if mircea_popescu was right about being able to live like a culture man for a few k-usd/yr
1074941;1427480369;ascii_field;(try that in ohio!)
1074942;1427480598;BingoBoingo;Adlai: I can't decrypt that for some reason
1074943;1427480642;Adlai;cazalla: can you?
1074944;1427480651;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: A large part of being a culture man is knowing not to live in Ohio
1074945;1427480656;Adlai;it should be viewable by BingoBoingo, cazalla, and me
1074946;1427480705;Adlai;F3251143 for BingoBoingo, 468F4AD0 for cazalla
1074947;1427480721;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: say you had 1M usd. fell down from sky. you could blow 30k in ohio, and live like a pauper on the meagre sub-inflation interest off the rest in american bank. or blow 150k in ar and invest in collapsatron and live like cultured man ? possibly
1074948;1427480739;*;ascii_field entirely clueless re: ar, it may as well be on alpha centauri to him
1074949;1427480741;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: I'd take Argentina
1074950;1427480764;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Are you using any weird GPG v2 only features?
1074951;1427480770;Adlai;mmmaybe?
1074952;1427480898;BingoBoingo;Perhaps try again just encrypting to my key. No signing.
1074953;1427480900;Adlai;BingoBoingo: how's http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5XQavzhB
1074954;1427480902;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu7WsJ )
1074955;1427480955;BingoBoingo;Oh, that worked much better
1074956;1427481058;Adlai;BingoBoingo: actually please delete "Czech" from the sentence where it appears five bazillion times, once is probably enough
1074957;1427481212;BingoBoingo;Adlai: What word is w|% supposed to be?
1074958;1427481223;BingoBoingo;third word in the piece
1074959;1427481237;Adlai;where does that appear?
1074960;1427481269;mike_c;right after the second word.
1074961;1427481275;Adlai;ah. "who'se"
1074962;1427481279;Adlai;er, who's
1074963;1427481315;*;Adlai blames hanewin
1074964;1427481339;BingoBoingo;Seems more likely a fancy quote problem
1074965;1427481458;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field Adlai, what is "JiYikovsk aftSi CEN equivalent" supposed to actuall read?
1074966;1427481578;ascii_field;wai wat
1074967;1427481583;ascii_field;where
1074968;1427481597;Adlai;ok, hanewin definitely butchered stuff
1074969;1427481600;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: In Adlai's piece
1074970;1427481613;Adlai;"Czech FINCEN equivalent ((FinanÄního Analytického Útvaru)) "
1074971;1427481624;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Just email it to me unencrypted.
1074972;1427481716;ascii_field;financial-analytical-directorate ?
1074973;1427481722;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: I just used the rest of the space in the up message to ping Adlai, because
1074974;1427481730;ascii_field;aha
1074975;1427481771;Adlai;BingoBoingo: sent
1074976;1427481917;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Can you email it and let the text wrap like god intended pls
1074977;1427481932;Adlai;how about i just attach the document so gmail doesn't fuck with it
1074978;1427481952;BingoBoingo;works
1074979;1427482174;ascii_field;http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/manual/manual.html << therealbitcoin folks - study it
1074980;1427482179;assbot;The Buildroot user manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu9jHO )
1074981;1427482243;*;mod6 looks
1074982;1427482284;mod6;bro you type fast
1074983;1427482298;BingoBoingo;Adlai: http://qntra.net/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-arrest/
1074984;1427482299;assbot;Sheep Marketplace Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu9pPF )
1074985;1427482324;ascii_field;mod6: 'buildroot' is a classical item, i had nothing to do with its authorship
1074986;1427482349;Adlai;"by Bingo Boingo"?
1074987;1427482369;BingoBoingo;dammit, will fx
1074988;1427482373;mod6;ascii_field: i know, im just giving you a hard time :)
1074989;1427482389;Adlai;thx
1074990;1427482392;*;Adlai dogwalk
1074991;1427482426;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: item 9
1074992;1427482430;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: missing line break
1074993;1427482477;Adlai;BingoBoingo: oh also, the link to gwern's pgp info didn't get through
1074994;1427482519;Adlai;bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere?
1074995;1427482588;BingoBoingo; bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere? << We don't do that fancy, but at least your name's on it nao
1074996;1427482645;Adlai;sure, thanks, but the links should be there for people who want to check sources. i can email you a link with explicit links
1074997;1427482657;Adlai;s/a link/version/
1074998;1427482667;BingoBoingo;email link version pls
1074999;1427482971;thestringpuller;scoopbot ain't doin it's job again?
1075000;1427483114;cazalla;Adlai, decrypted fine for me
1075001;1427483151;Adlai;blame bingo :P
1075002;1427483162;cazalla;thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P
1075003;1427483310;danielpbarron;i think he got lost in a netsplit
1075004;1427483505;danielpbarron;or its been gone since the 24th .. grep comes out order
1075005;1427483518;nubbins`;i'm stalled out on buildroot
1075006;1427483541;nubbins`;dem missing dependencies
1075007;1427483573;nubbins`;not much info on buildroot w/ darwin host
1075008;1427483594;BingoBoingo;ascii_field> BingoBoingo: missing line break << Historical document line break missing in original, also part of historical document, bad signature
1075009;1427483691;BingoBoingo;Sorry, good signature
1075010;1427483924;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_support_package
1075011;1427483925;assbot;Board support package - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bub083 )
1075012;1427483969;mats;http://www.deepdotweb.com/2015/03/27/breaking-sheep-marketplace-owner-arrested/
1075013;1427483970;assbot;Breaking: Sheep Marketplace Owner Arrested - Deep Dot Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bub1cf )
1075014;1427483983;mats;another amateur pwned
1075015;1427483988;nubbins`;am i remiss in thinking turdel will fit this def? ^
1075016;1427484014;Adlai;mats: qntra just covered this!
1075017;1427484041;mats;o
1075018;1427484062;Adlai;:P
1075019;1427484105;BingoBoingo;More lulz http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin
1075020;1427484105;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxrnaq )
1075021;1427484191;thestringpuller;cazalla: MP thinks it is.
1075022;1427484195;thestringpuller;!s scoopbot working
1075023;1427484196;assbot;5 results for 'scoopbot working' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scoopbot+working
1075024;1427484281;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/5N9dLKz.png
1075025;1427484282;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrsuX )
1075026;1427484292;nubbins`;lel @ 3rd photo on top
1075027;1427484293;nubbins`;my sides.
1075028;1427484381;danielpbarron;they got the same size bewbs
1075029;1427484455;BingoBoingo;That thing where they have the same boobs is incredibly creepy
1075030;1427484582;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/GPQNTok
1075031;1427484583;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrCCx )
1075032;1427484906;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1075033;1427484910;ascii_field;nubbins`: yes, it's a board pkg.
1075034;1427484934;ascii_field;nubbins`: possibly later tonight will post a scriptable set of diffs, portatron-style
1075035;1427484957;nubbins`;oo
1075036;1427485035;ascii_field;https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/15463 << l0ltr0n1c
1075037;1427485038;assbot;      #15463 (Tor deals poorly with a very large number of incoming connection requests.)     – Tor Bug Tracker & Wiki     ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrTFs )
1075038;1427485279;trinque;+cazalla | thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P << tenyks has an rss thing I think
1075039;1427485283;trinque;would be trivial to crap one together
1075040;1427485398;danielpbarron;what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT?
1075041;1427485420;trinque;https://github.com/kyleterry/tenyks-contrib/blob/master/src/tenyksfeeds/main.py << there someone rewrite scoopbot in an afternoon
1075042;1427485423;assbot;tenyks-contrib/main.py at master · kyleterry/tenyks-contrib · GitHub
1075043;1427485489;nubbins`;<+danielpbarron> what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT? <<< right?
1075044;1427485512;nubbins`;"the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income"
1075045;1427485525;nubbins`;bbl
1075046;1427485542;trinque;>wants bitcoin because valuable as demonimated in paper currency
1075047;1427485547;trinque;>deserves whatever happens next
1075048;1427485954;ascii_field;http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/congresswoman-claims-climate-change-will-turn-women-into-prostitutes << mega-l0l!!
1075049;1427485955;assbot;CA Dem Warns Global Warming Will Make Women Prostitutes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxsvLc )
1075050;1427485958;ascii_field;^ mircea_popescu
1075051;1427486007;trinque;ascii_field: holy shit the video
1075052;1427486011;trinque;it's some rapper guy wit bitches
1075053;1427486063;trinque;to say nothing of california using less water, eh?
1075054;1427486775;chetty;!up ascii_field
1075055;1427486871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96482 @ 0.00026549 = 25.615 BTC [+]
1075056;1427486958;trinque;this chinese botnet wants our bitcoin so bad...
1075057;1427486966;trinque;no coin in that box you fucks :D
1075058;1427487228;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZWbIxWwAA5xPS.jpg
1075059;1427487229;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxuqQ2 )
1075060;1427487262;ascii_field;wat
1075061;1427487269;punkman;I dunno
1075062;1427487298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46818 @ 0.00026549 = 12.4297 BTC [+]
1075063;1427487423;nubbins`;my kingdom for osx-targeted ncurses-devel!
1075064;1427487527;nubbins`;i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go
1075065;1427487589;trinque;oh hey, pogo and sd card are to be delivered today
1075066;1427487596;trinque;amazon uber alles
1075067;1427487691;nubbins`;nb
1075068;1427487718;trinque;got the cheapest shipping too
1075069;1427488079;nubbins`;didja get the purple or blue
1075070;1427488227;funkenstein_;anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet?
1075071;1427488337;nubbins`;still pulling blocks
1075072;1427488491;nubbins`;danielpbarron is in the 300k range on one of his
1075073;1427488546;danielpbarron;i see no reason for it to not fully sync at this point
1075074;1427488579;funkenstein_;i got 280k and counting
1075075;1427488587;nubbins`;!up ascii_field
1075076;1427488610;danielpbarron;the version i'm running is not the latest release though
1075077;1427488618;nubbins`;i keep running my battery down to 0% which tends to make me have to rescan everything
1075078;1427488632;funkenstein_;there is no "getpeerinfo"
1075079;1427488684;*;nubbins` is assuming just deleting blkindex.dat is good enough
1075080;1427488757;BingoBoingo;FU AP Styleguide trying to kill sportswriting https://twitter.com/tschmedding/status/581470736654737409/photo/1
1075081;1427488759;assbot;Whoa. /APStylebook revamps sports, brings from 1950s to 2010s. /hashtag/ACES2015?src=hash http://t.co/W3jPZHneYv
1075082;1427488764;mod6;<+funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install.
1075083;1427488794;funkenstein_;mod6, thanks good to hear it
1075084;1427488830;mod6;can you do me a favor?
1075085;1427488832;funkenstein_;and you have put some sample TXs through it?
1075086;1427488836;funkenstein_;sure
1075087;1427488856;mod6;do you still have the link to the pastebin stuff you gave me for your ubuntu build?
1075088;1427488866;mod6;i was thinking about including some of that info in the monthly address.
1075089;1427488879;mod6;yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link.
1075090;1427488890;mod6;(i have a recent one, but not on this machine atm)
1075091;1427488908;funkenstein_;http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5
1075092;1427488910;assbot;dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxw0kR )
1075093;1427488952;nubbins`;mod6 plz to emphasize that osx patch does not come with official nintendo seal of quality
1075094;1427488999;nubbins`;i should also prolly resend that email with a subject so it doesn't get lost. right now it shows up as a reply to some other no-subject post
1075095;1427489134;mod6;here it is funkenstein_: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ny9m6Q3R
1075096;1427489135;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxwlnL )
1075097;1427489149;mod6;shows send/recieve on the 64 bit static binary
1075098;1427489196;mod6;nubbins`: np. i think it's just good to get it in the list for now. later we can take it, massage whatever is needed and get it into a proper patch and test it.
1075099;1427489205;funkenstein_;whee look at that, cooking with gas
1075100;1427489206;nubbins`;k
1075101;1427489245;mod6;yikes that paste expires in 1 day lol. thanks though funkenstein_, I'll save it locally so i've got it.
1075102;1427489290;danielpbarron;https://archive.today/http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5
1075103;1427489290;assbot;http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5: dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1F21ePe )
1075104;1427489309;funkenstein_;if it was useful i could test on fedora
1075105;1427489316;mod6;so it turns out that debian didn't need the -nodnsseed flag, but gentoo did just like you ran into with ubuntu, i wanna make a comment on that in the address perhaps.
1075106;1427489330;funkenstein_;hmm i didn't get my debian box to build
1075107;1427489330;mod6;oh thanks danielpbarron
1075108;1427489344;mod6;what debian? (we test on deb6)
1075109;1427489351;funkenstein_;debian8
1075110;1427489370;mod6;ah. ok. well, maybe I can give it a shot at some point. or help you out with it.
1075111;1427489373;funkenstein_;but likely the issue is my build environment
1075112;1427489390;funkenstein_;i'm not going to run it there anyway, it was just for test
1075113;1427489401;mod6;well, thanks for testing anyway. appreciate it!
1075114;1427489417;nubbins`;re: fedora, why not!
1075115;1427489431;funkenstein_;i'll give it a go :)
1075116;1427489618;funkenstein_;speaking of testing i have an escrow site I've been trying to make usable
1075117;1427489633;funkenstein_;request for comment :   2crow.org
1075118;1427489685;nubbins`;hmm initial scan from test machine shows malware behind that link
1075119;1427489708;nubbins`;nah, i'm just kidding.
1075120;1427489989;funkenstein_;nah I add that in later nubbins ;)
1075121;1427490000;thestringpuller;nubbins` is always joking about dead bodies and cocaine in trunk of car as we cross border
1075122;1427490008;thestringpuller;says, "But it was funny."
1075123;1427490458;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1075124;1427490554;funkenstein_;hmm builds proceeding.  funny thing is i never got any coins to build on fedora20x64
1075125;1427490625;nubbins`;what do you mean
1075126;1427490635;nubbins`;oh, sorry
1075127;1427490637;nubbins`;parse error
1075128;1427490641;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight
1075129;1427490648;*;nubbins` raises hand
1075130;1427490656;funkenstein_;the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/
1075131;1427490657;assbot;xkcd: Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1F23wxR )
1075132;1427490658;nubbins`;like you said, what's a wallet without rng
1075133;1427490684;ascii_field;the jurist term is 'attractive nuisance' iirc.
1075134;1427490703;BingoBoingo;Seems prudent to excise it
1075135;1427490707;ascii_field;like a power saw left unwatched for children to play with
1075136;1427490730;BingoBoingo;Nah, the powersaw is safer and people tend to learn from that
1075137;1427490815;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: tell that to beavis >> http://s965.photobucket.com/user/TimeCaptured/media/saw1.png.html
1075138;1427490950;mike_c;but, now a separate pogo branch must be maintained?
1075139;1427491042;*;ascii_field would maintain it
1075140;1427491044;mike_c;does the -disablewallet config switch exist in this version?  that would be easier way to prevent children from playing with matches
1075141;1427491059;ascii_field;mike_c: would like to cut some footprint
1075142;1427491068;mike_c;i thought it was like 5.5mb.
1075143;1427491088;ascii_field;mike_c: the buildroot i have is theoretically retargetable to multiple cpu archs and boards with minimal effort
1075144;1427491108;ascii_field;mike_c: i have several candidates for replacement of 'pogo' if something 'happens to' our supply.
1075145;1427491108;punkman;we don't really want wallet code in regular bitcoind anyway
1075146;1427491114;ascii_field;^
1075147;1427491165;mike_c;yeah, fine, but that's different from starting a pogo branch.  if it gets cut from master branch, problem solved (if there is a problem?)
1075148;1427491186;mike_c;ascii_field: you saying that cutting it makes it more portable?  or just easier to fit on smaller arch.
1075149;1427491201;ascii_field;mike_c: would like to fit on boards with 8M rom
1075150;1427491222;ascii_field;but more general principle
1075151;1427491228;mike_c;ok, so cut it later when we have a 8m device we want to fit it on.
1075152;1427491228;ascii_field;smaller -> more auditable.
1075153;1427491249;nubbins`;hmm
1075154;1427491251;ascii_field;but i will leave this for the folks whose project it actually is, to decide
1075155;1427491257;punkman;maybe add my mining-snip patch too
1075156;1427491269;nubbins`;suppose instead of -disablewallet, flip the bit and make it -enablewallet?
1075157;1427491274;ascii_field;punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?)
1075158;1427491275;nubbins`;short-term
1075159;1427491286;ascii_field;or i suppose you could...
1075160;1427491288;nubbins`;make wallet=off the default while we decide when to trim
1075161;1427491300;nubbins`;in a perfect world, remove_wallet.patch
1075162;1427491324;nubbins`;included as an "extra" in -RELEASE.tar.gz
1075163;1427491333;mike_c;short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch.  in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet and miner and then it will be smaller around the same time we want to fit it on a 8m device.
1075164;1427491335;nubbins`;(/me imagines makefile.osx in same "extra"
1075165;1427491337;mike_c;serendipity will prevail
1075166;1427491388;mike_c;of course, i use 'we' loosely since all i've done is buy a pogo and wait.
1075167;1427491395;nubbins`;^ +1
1075168;1427491396;nubbins`;8)
1075169;1427491752;Adlai;ascii_field: mining only needs an output script for the coinbase
1075170;1427492009;nubbins`;what's the endian-ness of the pogo's arm, big?
1075171;1427492130;ascii_field;Adlai: yes i remembered
1075172;1427492136;ascii_field;nubbins`: selectable
1075173;1427492144;ascii_field;nubbins`: little-endian by default
1075174;1427492150;nubbins`;i'll stick with that
1075175;1427492171;ascii_field;(most recent embedded system-on-chip are selectably-endian)
1075176;1427492194;nubbins`;you have a buildroot .config you can pop up somewhere?
1075177;1427492215;ascii_field;nubbins`: it's a mega-turd. not just one config, but four, and they have to be packaged in a certain way
1075178;1427492223;ascii_field;ideally will wrap this up tonight
1075179;1427492232;nubbins`;lovely
1075180;1427492252;ascii_field;i want folks building their own pogo runtimes soon.
1075181;1427492257;nubbins`;finally got buildroot nut cracked here
1075182;1427492272;nubbins`;s/make menuconfig/make nconfig
1075183;1427492275;ascii_field;so that i can, perhaps, escape the chore of figuring out why sata refuses to init
1075184;1427492289;ascii_field;and how to read the pushbutton and toggle the lamp
1075185;1427492309;nubbins`;!up ascii_field
1075186;1427492315;ascii_field;all else - works
1075187;1427492322;ascii_field;(hardware-wise)
1075188;1427492347;ascii_field;did cut a bunch of irrelevant crud from the kernel (keyboards, mice, sound cards, etc)
1075189;1427492355;nubbins`;i'll take a peek at the light and button stuff, seems straight-forward
1075190;1427492368;ascii_field;nubbins`: like sata, it mysteriously fails to work
1075191;1427492376;ascii_field;that is, i have the marvell config flags set
1075192;1427492382;ascii_field;but no devices appear for them
1075193;1427492420;ascii_field;anyone who is planning to screw with the kernel, -must- have tftp set up
1075194;1427492429;ascii_field;otherwise the debug loop is unbearably tedious
1075195;1427492463;ascii_field;i, for example, only need to cycle power to the 'pogo' to test a newly-built turdel.
1075196;1427492480;trinque;flight 9525 seems a great way to argue "see, this is why we need to be able to remote-control planes"
1075197;1427492504;ascii_field;trinque: the remotes -were put in-, by and large across the board, in '01-03
1075198;1427492522;trinque;ascii_field: saw the link re: boeing I think it was
1075199;1427492542;ascii_field;trinque: how well they work, and when they are used, and who orders it - i do not know.
1075200;1427492569;ben_vulpes; anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << a few, yeah
1075201;1427492605;trinque;ascii_field: got any search terms which will conjure that link from the logs?
1075202;1427492635;ascii_field;trinque: not from memory, no
1075203;1427492655;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight << don't see why not
1075204;1427492673;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: someone did suggest a good reason why not - the chore of maintaining two branches
1075205;1427492680;ben_vulpes; the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/ << no, this is a consensus project.
1075206;1427492681;assbot;xkcd: Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nkay4G )
1075207;1427492686;ben_vulpes;oh, we're not maintaining 2 branches already?
1075208;1427492727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171606 @ 0.00026574 = 45.6026 BTC [+] {2} 
1075209;1427492730;ben_vulpes;i kid, i kid.
1075210;1427492761;ben_vulpes; short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch.  in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet << oh we will?
1075211;1427492774;mike_c;didn't you just say you would?
1075212;1427492784;ben_vulpes;"pogo variant"
1075213;1427492807;mike_c;oh. i thought somebody said it was on your todo list.
1075214;1427492838;ben_vulpes;but as asciilifeform's said before, the RI has to parachute into mars, bitcoinating
1075215;1427492840;ben_vulpes;yeah, it's down at 12
1075216;1427492852;ben_vulpes;'cause needs discussion.
1075217;1427492863;ben_vulpes;on one hand yeah - what is a wallet doing in there?
1075218;1427492869;ben_vulpes;on the other hand - what else is one going to do?
1075219;1427492898;mike_c;uh, run a pogo
1075220;1427492926;ben_vulpes;cant' use a pogo to send btc
1075221;1427492968;mike_c;right.  that's what one is going to do with a wallet.
1075222;1427492968;Chillum;I am about to see if a Raspberry Pi 2 can run a full node. The Pi 1 starts to crap out around mid 2014
1075223;1427492979;Chillum;compiling now
1075224;1427492997;mike_c;the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc
1075225;1427493008;ben_vulpes;mike_c: what i mean to say is that the reference implementation only bears the wallet by virtue of there being no other thing that serves as a wallet.
1075226;1427493019;ben_vulpes;yeah, "could".
1075227;1427493027;ben_vulpes;someday.
1075228;1427493036;ascii_field;suggestion - we #ifdef it.
1075229;1427493051;mike_c;(and double the test matrix)
1075230;1427493052;ascii_field;much as i despise #ifdef
1075231;1427493067;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039405 << there's the one, 777 boeing hax keywords yay
1075232;1427493067;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2015 06:35:11; asciilifeform: decimation: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system << lulzies !
1075233;1427493104;mike_c;thing is, one could clone the code, rip out most of the stuff that wasn't the wallet, and voila, new binary that is a wallet.
1075234;1427493117;ascii_field;mike_c: not quite
1075235;1427493118;mike_c;it would be a bad wallet, but it would be a start
1075236;1427493129;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: and this to reduce size of bitcoind binary?
1075237;1427493144;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: that, and remove the 'attractive nuisance'
1075238;1427493153;ben_vulpes;the latter i don't care too much about.
1075239;1427493156;mike_c;to be clear, ben_vulpes, this is for future unspecified project to create node out of smaller device than pogo
1075240;1427493168;ben_vulpes;ah
1075241;1427493185;ben_vulpes;fuck it, ship it.
1075242;1427493192;mike_c;that's what i said :)
1075243;1427493197;ben_vulpes;"overengineering is like cocaine"
1075244;1427493200;funkenstein_;you could make an SPV node with no wallet
1075245;1427493223;ben_vulpes;funkenstein_: what.
1075246;1427493255;funkenstein_;it would be pretty useless but you could make it small :)
1075247;1427493257;ascii_field;self-propelled vehicle?
1075248;1427493269;ben_vulpes;"simple payment verification"
1075249;1427493273;ascii_field;waat
1075250;1427493274;ben_vulpes;is that the headers-only thing?
1075251;1427493288;ben_vulpes;bitcoin in the swear jar, funkenstein_
1075252;1427493293;ascii_field;fuck it up its arse with a reciprocating saw
1075253;1427493311;ascii_field;!s fucksaw
1075254;1427493312;assbot;0 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw
1075255;1427493315;ascii_field;waaaat
1075256;1427493318;ascii_field;;;google fucksaw
1075257;1427493319;gribble;America's Greatest University Demonstrates 'Fucksaw' For ... - Gawker: ; Amazon.com: Fuck Saw Adapter: Health & Personal Care: ; JT's Stockroom - Fuck Saw: 
1075258;1427493373;ben_vulpes;anyways, re wallet, meh in general and too soon in specific methinks.
1075259;1427493399;ben_vulpes;rip out json/rpc and replace it with a thing i can call that vomits forth formatted blocks first
1075260;1427493428;ben_vulpes;pogo's not my baby by any stretch of the imagination, but doing anything but getting them running seems like unnecessary yak shaving.
1075261;1427493444;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: if you or anyone else has spare time - i recommend taking a look at the bastard blocks thing
1075262;1427493462;ben_vulpes;bastards though, is at the *top* of the todo list.
1075263;1427493462;funkenstein_;mod6: build error on a fedora box:  dpaste.com/28E8Z9X
1075264;1427493486;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: getting them running... << have you tried 'turdel' demo ?
1075265;1427493495;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: pogo's in the mail.
1075266;1427493499;ascii_field;Aha
1075267;1427493514;funkenstein_;what are bastard blocks?
1075268;1427493525;ben_vulpes;blocks with no chain ancestry.
1075269;1427493531;ben_vulpes;they build up in memory, leading to OOM kills.
1075270;1427493567;ben_vulpes;naive backport entails picking a random bastard and nuking its whole chain
1075271;1427493575;ben_vulpes;(if i read the cee pee pee correctly)
1075272;1427493598;ben_vulpes;anyways, i must off.
1075273;1427493608;funkenstein_;thanks, i will read up
1075274;1427493611;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html << reading material
1075275;1427493612;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yUtLEL )
1075276;1427493735;danielpbarron;i have to periodically restart bitcoind on my pogos
1075277;1427493741;danielpbarron;because of the bastards
1075278;1427493957;funkenstein_;so these have been requested from other nodes the we aren't ready for them yet?
1075279;1427493979;funkenstein_;*but we aren't ready for them yet?
1075280;1427493984;ascii_field;danielpbarron: aside from the nondeterminism and potential for random db corruption, the bastards thing makes it entirely impossible to use the otherwise perfectly adequate 32M machines
1075281;1427494071;danielpbarron;i do the restarts manually, as i keep an eye on them nearly all day; i use the restart as an opportunity to back up the block database of the solid state pogo
1075282;1427494111;funkenstein_;i set a script  with bitcoind stop, sleep, and restart, and put it in crontab
1075283;1427494134;danielpbarron;that'll probably be the shipped sollution
1075284;1427494301;funkenstein_;has anyone tried btcd the go node?
1075285;1427494535;trinque;felipelalli: ^ thanks for alerting me
1075286;1427494540;trinque;!up felipelalli
1075287;1427494548;felipelalli;no worries!
1075288;1427495090;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074727 <<< my money is on her never to return here
1075289;1427495090;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 16:59:53; mircea_popescu: ;;seen brendafdez
1075290;1427495138;mike_c;did she ragequit?
1075291;1427495226;cazalla;mike_c, not that i know of
1075292;1427495253;cazalla;but now that es.qntra.net was put together for her, she's absent
1075293;1427495271;mike_c;hehe.  always a good way to make someone leave.  "here's some work"
1075294;1427495386;BingoBoingo;;;seen brendafdez
1075295;1427495386;gribble;brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago:  mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
1075296;1427495416;cazalla;maybe i'm too quick to pull the trigger on that one, but we'll see
1075297;1427495456;BingoBoingo;Maybe the CIA got her to prevent Qntra influence in Latin America
1075298;1427495485;Chillum;damn compiling bitcoind on the pi2 takes hours
1075299;1427495513;Chillum;bitcoin-0.10.0 that is
1075300;1427495770;trinque;pogo plug...er.. plugged.
1075301;1427495784;trinque;I'll turdel it this evening
1075302;1427496100;danielpbarron;i think he'll come back
1075303;1427496128;danielpbarron;we are facebook friendz
1075304;1427496167;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1075305;1427496170;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/34HQR4Q.txt )
1075306;1427496218;trinque;danielpbarron: got a link to the pogo instructions?
1075307;1427496286;trinque;found
1075308;1427496326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 701 @ 0.03 = 21.03 BTC [-] {2} 
1075309;1427496371;mircea_popescu;cazalla mine too.
1075310;1427496423;danielpbarron;heh i was just updating that, trinque. -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt
1075311;1427496424;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8NFe )
1075312;1427496424;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what's so wrong with prostitution ?
1075313;1427496433;danielpbarron;i added tftp instructions
1075314;1427496434;mircea_popescu;better than turning them into congresswhomen
1075315;1427496438;trinque;danielpbarron: thanks!
1075316;1427496465;trinque;I should've ordered the usb->serial guy too
1075317;1427496479;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun see problem with wallet snip either.
1075318;1427496608;danielpbarron;as long as you don't mess it up, it should be possible to do it without the serial connection
1075319;1427496641;trinque;danielpbarron: https url to enable ssh doesn't work
1075320;1427496653;danielpbarron;on what?
1075321;1427496654;danielpbarron;my site?
1075322;1427496655;trinque;when replaced with http it farts out html saying use https
1075323;1427496658;trinque;nah the pogo
1075324;1427496695;Chillum;yay I got bitcoind running
1075325;1427496708;danielpbarron;did you put your ip address in there?
1075326;1427496712;trinque;heh yes I did
1075327;1427496721;trinque;and got html back with http://
1075328;1427496730;ben_vulpes;Chillum: why are you bothering with 0.10.0?
1075329;1427496801;Chillum;is that not the latest version?
1075330;1427496805;danielpbarron;what do you mean "doesn't work" ? trinque
1075331;1427496826;trinque;danielpbarron: connection refused when hitting the enable ssh URL via https
1075332;1427496872;trinque;only ports 80 and 3333 are open on the thing
1075333;1427496875;trinque;not 443
1075334;1427496900;danielpbarron;curl -k "https://root:ceadmin@XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/sqdiag/HBPlug?action=command&command=dropbear%20start";
1075335;1427496905;danielpbarron;you're doing this ? ^
1075336;1427496913;trinque;yeah with my 10.0.0.somethin
1075337;1427496927;mircea_popescu;Chillum it may be the latest verion on a meanwhile abandoned bitcoin fork pushed by very dubious characters.
1075338;1427496938;danielpbarron;trinque, what does your pogo look like?
1075339;1427496945;trinque;it's the pink logo one
1075340;1427496950;trinque;I'll check the hardware rev
1075341;1427496997;danielpbarron;it looks like this? -> http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/12/13/Pogoplug_Series_4_35099306_04_1_610x458.jpg
1075342;1427496999;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxH5SU )
1075343;1427496999;trinque;POGO-V4-A3-01
1075344;1427497008;trinque;yup
1075345;1427497012;danielpbarron;also a demonstration of where the sata drive goes, for those who haven't seen yet
1075346;1427497043;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075019 << have the paycoins reached whatever yet ?
1075347;1427497043;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 19:21:45; BingoBoingo: More lulz http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin
1075348;1427497062;Chillum;mircea_popescu: what would you recommend?
1075349;1427497078;mircea_popescu;the bitcoin foundation releases.
1075350;1427497091;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ <
1075351;1427497092;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyGpur )
1075352;1427497125;trinque;danielpbarron: do I have to "activate" this thing before that url becomes available?
1075353;1427497153;Chillum;looks legit...
1075354;1427497175;danielpbarron;trinque, no; that url is supposed to let you bypass having to activate
1075355;1427497175;ben_vulpes;Chillum: not enough rounded corners for your taste?
1075356;1427497203;danielpbarron;i wonder if they are shipping a different version or something
1075357;1427497215;danielpbarron;i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on
1075358;1427497220;Chillum;I prefer all flash websites
1075359;1427497223;trinque;hm, well hardware rev's in the logs
1075360;1427497225;Chillum;(kidding)
1075361;1427497229;trinque;I'll see what the software rev is on th inside
1075362;1427497301;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075044 << this entire "explained income" bs is bs.
1075363;1427497301;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 19:45:12; nubbins`: "the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income"
1075364;1427497316;mircea_popescu;who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case.
1075365;1427497348;ben_vulpes;in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets.
1075366;1427497408;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075058 << 19yo virgin angry at school because it could not possibly be his fault he's not getting any ?
1075367;1427497408;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 20:13:48; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZWbIxWwAA5xPS.jpg
1075368;1427497420;trinque;danielpbarron: in messing with cables, my router came up after the pogo
1075369;1427497426;trinque;pogo was mad about this for some reason, yet got an IP
1075370;1427497436;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes kinda why we don't want the states to survive, innit.
1075371;1427497438;trinque;rebooted the pogo, light on the front went green, and the curl worked
1075372;1427497443;danielpbarron;lol
1075373;1427497450;trinque;might be good in the docs to say "make sure light's green, idiot"
1075374;1427497452;trinque;:D
1075375;1427497456;trinque;otherwise reboot it
1075376;1427497457;danielpbarron;okie doke
1075377;1427497464;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075064 << so far being on apple is such a blessing for nubsy
1075378;1427497464;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 20:18:47; nubbins`: i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go
1075379;1427497469;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: I LOVE MY BENEVOLENT OVERLORDS
1075380;1427497483;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM
1075381;1427497502;ben_vulpes;!raet bahahara 10 warrior of justice
1075382;1427497504;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you know they fucked ben affleck.
1075383;1427497508;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I
1075384;1427497509;assbot;The Whitest Kids U' Know - Pledge of Allegiance - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxI6KI )
1075385;1427497514;mircea_popescu;i mean mutt damon
1075386;1427497546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129800 @ 0.0002614 = 33.9297 BTC [-] {4} 
1075387;1427497546;ben_vulpes;matt derpin
1075388;1427497599;jurov;soo.. i have mixed sheepmarketplace and bitcash.cz
1075389;1427497605;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075082 << confirmed.
1075390;1427497605;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 20:39:24; mod6: <+funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install.
1075391;1427497624;mircea_popescu;jurov mixed ?
1075392;1427497634;jurov;mixed up
1075393;1427497675;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075089 << i've never used anything in the 7 branch or later. nor do i intend to ever do.
1075394;1427497675;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 20:41:19; mod6: yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link.
1075395;1427497682;jurov;http://qntra.net/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-arrest/ vs http://qntra.net/2015/03/czech-ministry-fingers-heist-suspect/
1075396;1427497682;assbot;Sheep Marketplace Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIsBb )
1075397;1427497683;assbot;Czech Ministry Fingers Heist Suspect | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIsBf )
1075398;1427497697;jurov;it's the same incident
1075399;1427497727;trinque;the PogoPlug is meant to share files on a cloud or something << ehhehehe
1075400;1427497864;mircea_popescu;jurov oh it is ? send an update/errata/we wouldja
1075401;1427497924;jurov;only errata needed it's about sheep marketplace, not bitcash
1075402;1427497957;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075117 << the problem with automated escrow is that well... it doesn't actually work too well as a principle. you need a human in the loop, basically.
1075403;1427497957;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 20:53:53; funkenstein_: request for comment :   2crow.org
1075404;1427498017;mircea_popescu;kinda why "multisig" stuff isn't taking off, in spite of all the power ranger effort dedicated at pushing that particular mudball uphill.
1075405;1427498144;BingoBoingo; ... have the paycoins reached whatever yet ? << Apparently only for a select few who have beta-invites to an "independent online market" where they can buy goods in the thing. Totally not just a last hail mary to get anyone consider offering the slightest bit of buying support.
1075406;1427498148;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075157 << you can't mine w/o wallet.
1075407;1427498148;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 21:21:14; ascii_field: punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?)
1075408;1427498193;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ?
1075409;1427498196;mircea_popescu;except no girls ther ?
1075410;1427498208;mircea_popescu;sounds like these people should run a small soviet republic in central asia.
1075411;1427498217;mircea_popescu;they got all the right mental furniture for it.
1075412;1427498396;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075218 << one is going to use pogo as god meant it, proxy for walleted bitcoind.
1075413;1427498396;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 21:47:49; ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do?
1075414;1427498432;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? << Pretty much. Apparently some of the most loyal of shills have been selected. There's allegations I can't evidence that the stuff is being shipped from amazon as a gift from Homero J Garza.
1075415;1427498434;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075224 << even a stock bitcoind, hobbled to ONLY talk to your local pogo.
1075416;1427498434;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 21:49:57; mike_c: the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc
1075417;1427498463;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo shills getting payola is so common there's actually provisions in most criminal codes for it.
1075418;1427498485;mircea_popescu;it's funny how the guy is appearingly going through the book and breaking literally everything.
1075419;1427498494;mircea_popescu;even conventions that outstretch the fucking treaty of paris.
1075420;1427498504;BingoBoingo;Yup, but somehow Preet hasn't to my knowledge seen fit to reel in Gibson to share Shaver's chair
1075421;1427498512;mircea_popescu;"so what if it's been in the code since westphalia ?!?!?!"
1075422;1427498607;mircea_popescu;speaking of history : http://www.schillerinstitute.org/strategic/treaty_of_westphalia.html << westphalia likbez.
1075423;1427498609;assbot;The Treaty of Westphalia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BuEov0 )
1075424;1427498766;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You want to do a Garza violates Westphalia piece for qntra?
1075425;1427498787;mircea_popescu;doubt he's worth the attention.
1075426;1427498797;mircea_popescu;maybe once he's arguing in court or somethign
1075427;1427498835;mircea_popescu;(but alf may appreciate article I : "A Christian general and permanent peace, and true and honest friendship, must rule between the Holy Imperial Majesty and the Holy All-Christian Majesty"
1075428;1427498859;mircea_popescu;who thought the all-russia thing is original ? no such thing as originality. the new czars wanted to be better caesars than the previous czars is all.)
1075429;1427499047;asciilifeform; asciilifeform so what's so wrong with prostitution ? << the lulzy part was the bureaucrat, not whoring in the abstract
1075430;1427499108;asciilifeform; i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on << afaik the backdoor works on all released pogov4
1075431;1427499135;asciilifeform; who the fuck explains their income ?  in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets. << aha. sit on the stake until explained, yes.
1075432;1427499278;asciilifeform; ... you can't mine w/o wallet << wallet doesn't need to be local
1075433;1427499291;asciilifeform;(can be on separate machine)
1075434;1427499295;mircea_popescu;kinda contorted but i guess
1075435;1427499378;asciilifeform; ... westphalia likbez << even where i went to school it was taught, as a foundational gadget of the (pre-ww1) civilized world...
1075436;1427499399;mircea_popescu;in a sense.
1075437;1427499433;asciilifeform;(amerikan school! palmer & colton was the quick'n'dirty book, plus period sources)
1075438;1427499476;mircea_popescu;(this to note that the given link is merely a perspective, and not divine truth. the treatment of fouquet is particularly ignorant, for instance - while the man was rich it is not clear he stole anything, and his disgrace has nothing to do with the minister and everything to do with the king, who visited once and was displeased at the luxurious manner in which he was received.)
1075439;1427499487;*;asciilifeform went to a slightly odd school, not entirely representative of usa
1075440;1427499510;mircea_popescu;you actually went to school there ?
1075441;1427499516;asciilifeform;aha
1075442;1427499523;asciilifeform;from 3rd grade up, even
1075443;1427499527;mircea_popescu;ic
1075444;1427499536;asciilifeform;(not secret)
1075445;1427499566;asciilifeform;last 4 years was in a kind of quasi-public one where you get in by exam (these still exist)
1075446;1427499583;trinque;I went to one of those
1075447;1427499588;trinque;"magnet school"
1075448;1427499595;asciilifeform;not mircea_popescuing gymnasium by any measure, but considerably less lame than the off the shelf fare
1075449;1427499629;mircea_popescu;it doesn't sound all that bad.
1075450;1427499635;mircea_popescu;"Northwestern University simply cannot stop being awesome. From getting drunk and hollering about blowjobs to throwing blackface Halloween parties to producing a little rapper by the name of Chet Haze, Northwestern University never does anything less than the most awesome thing to do in any given situation. That's why regular schools have "Human Sexuality" classes, but Northwestern University has HOT LIVE FUCKSAW demon
1075451;1427499636;mircea_popescu;strations:
1075452;1427499636;mircea_popescu;The optional presentation last Monday, attended by about 120 students, featured a naked non-student woman being repeatedly sexually stimulated to the point of orgasm by the sex toy, referred to as a "fucksaw." The device is essentially a motorized phallus.
1075453;1427499637;mircea_popescu;John Michael Bailey, the psychology professor who leads the class in question, declined to comment to the Daily Northwestern "due to class preparations that he said last until Friday." He then hastily grabbed his fucksaw, retreated to his lair, and locked the door."
1075454;1427499642;asciilifeform;theoretically qualified the kids for admission to eu unis
1075455;1427499647;*;asciilifeform did not uses this
1075456;1427499651;asciilifeform;*use
1075457;1427499698;*;mircea_popescu approves of northwestern.
1075458;1427499755;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bailey is infamous for an epic grudgewank centered around his book, 'the man who would be queen'
1075459;1427499764;asciilifeform;a treatise on transsexualism
1075460;1427499791;mircea_popescu;because he correctly identifies the "transsexual" delusion as malignant narcissism ?
1075461;1427499798;asciilifeform;as for the fucksaw, it was, iirc, made from a genuine reciprocating saw!
1075462;1427499810;asciilifeform;brilliant concept, cheap & effective.
1075463;1427499824;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha how'd you know.
1075464;1427499832;asciilifeform;a real ripper of a book, too
1075465;1427499860;mircea_popescu;mywah.
1075466;1427499868;asciilifeform;mega-recommended.
1075467;1427500260;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case. <<< emery famously listed "marijuana seed dealer" on his income tax returns for years. ended up remitting ~$2mn in total
1075468;1427500313;asciilifeform;^ in total << before picked up ?
1075469;1427500321;asciilifeform;or what, quit on his own ?
1075470;1427500341;nubbins`;<+ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM <<< a node's a node, smarty-pantses!
1075471;1427500358;asciilifeform;and i'll add that the real 'explaining' happens after they take your money, all at once
1075472;1427500375;asciilifeform;'tell us why you should see this dough again?'
1075473;1427500390;asciilifeform;'or you'll what, sue? with what?'
1075474;1427500399;trinque;got stock debian on my pogo
1075475;1427500416;trinque;this is where I ended up due to the "..." in the uboot section of instructions
1075476;1427500417;asciilifeform;trinque: tried turdel ?
1075477;1427500426;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? except no girls ther ? << ;;google itchy & scratchy bucks
1075478;1427500432;trinque;asciilifeform: put debian on the sd card in a partition, I assume I can flash the nand from there?
1075479;1427500437;trinque;and then add a uboot entry for it?
1075480;1427500438;asciilifeform;trinque: if you replace whatever kernel you have now, on whatever kind of drive, with it - it will boot
1075481;1427500444;asciilifeform;carries own rootfs
1075482;1427500447;trinque;ah neat
1075483;1427500450;nubbins`;<+asciilifeform> ^ in total << before picked up ? <<< before picked up.
1075484;1427500471;asciilifeform;trinque: don't flash turdel into your nand
1075485;1427500476;asciilifeform;it'll be difficult to replace it
1075486;1427500477;trinque;k
1075487;1427500478;nubbins`;as in, legitimately paid $2mn in taxes on marijuana seed sales over about a decade
1075488;1427500484;asciilifeform;i didn't build mtd utils in there
1075489;1427500486;nubbins`;which the government received, processed each year
1075490;1427500493;trinque;asciilifeform: I'll keep the debian around and add this as a boot entry
1075491;1427500501;asciilifeform;it's a turdel not a kernel for good reason
1075492;1427500508;asciilifeform;(for one thing, source not posted yet)
1075493;1427500509;trinque;heh
1075494;1427500529;asciilifeform;deliberately self-contained. you don't need to add cmd params to it
1075495;1427500534;asciilifeform;or have a root partition
1075496;1427500537;nubbins`;trinque tftp -> mmc -> usb -> sata is an ok setup
1075497;1427500551;nubbins`;for boot order
1075498;1427500590;nubbins`;if you follow vanilla "hack the pogo" instructions, you can keep the original setup in the loop too
1075499;1427500602;asciilifeform;^ until we overwrite it
1075500;1427500608;nubbins`;^
1075501;1427500613;trinque;yeah supposedly I still have their magic cloud distro on here
1075502;1427500613;asciilifeform;the real battlefield build will write over the nand
1075503;1427500622;trinque;as per http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
1075504;1427500623;assbot;Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0HHA2 )
1075505;1427500633;asciilifeform;though theoretically we will be using only a tenth or so of the room
1075506;1427500642;nubbins`;you planning to do a single-item boot list, or keep option for tftp/etc?
1075507;1427500681;nubbins`;trinque +1, that's the guide i've been following
1075508;1427500709;nubbins`;right now my pogo will try tftp, then boot debian from sd card, or original pogo if none present
1075509;1427500717;asciilifeform;if screwing with uboot, leave at least 1sec in the boot delay timer
1075510;1427500728;trinque;nubbins`: yeah that sounds good to me
1075511;1427500734;asciilifeform;saves much headache if you want to turn the knobs again from serial console because b0rk3d boot media
1075512;1427500736;mircea_popescu; 'or you'll what, sue? with what?' << in which vein, mp has never explained any such thing, to anyone, ever, nor does he mean to start.
1075513;1427500744;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is not a prisoner
1075514;1427500761;asciilifeform;in usgbankschwitz
1075515;1427500776;mircea_popescu;"i
1075516;1427500791;mircea_popescu;"i'll not as much sue as send your daughter to dance for soros. how about that."
1075517;1427500849;*;asciilifeform would also like an atomic zeppelin
1075518;1427500863;asciilifeform;but not everyone can have.
1075519;1427500878;asciilifeform;(cannot argue against it being a mighty fine thing!)
1075520;1427500885;mircea_popescu;;;google all we need is love
1075521;1427500886;gribble;Ricki-Lee - All We Need Is Love - YouTube: ; All You Need Is Love - YouTube: ; Beatles - All You Need Is Love Lyrics | MetroLyrics: 
1075522;1427500899;asciilifeform;more to the point, 'yellow submarine'
1075523;1427500951;mircea_popescu;im not sure we're all homo enough to live on the same submarine
1075524;1427500957;asciilifeform;l0l true
1075525;1427500992;*;asciilifeform recalls some 'dark future of hello kitty' (tm) novel with 'gay pill'
1075526;1427501023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125226 @ 0.00025811 = 32.3221 BTC [-] {2} 
1075527;1427501084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45874 @ 0.00025191 = 11.5561 BTC [-]
1075528;1427501217;asciilifeform;http://upstart.bizjournals.com/companies/media/2015/03/12/guardian-takes-back-claims-news-report-on-whisper.html << slightly out-of-date mega-l0l. 'guardian' forced to retract piece exposing egregious chumpatron
1075529;1427501219;assbot;The Guardian issues clarification on Whisper privacy scandal that wasn't such a scandal after all ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0IRLT )
1075530;1427501249;asciilifeform;'The fallout from The Guardian investigation, which started while the newspaper was exploring an editorial partnership with Whisper, was hugely disruptive for the California startup, drawing the scrutiny of the U.S. Senate and leading CEO Michael Heyward to suspend parts of its editorial team.'
1075531;1427501448;mircea_popescu;so basically, scam got called out originally
1075532;1427501461;mircea_popescu;but then they figured out that when it comes to newspaper content, they got no alternative
1075533;1427501462;mircea_popescu;and so...
1075534;1427501568;asciilifeform;-suspend parts of its editorial team-.
1075535;1427501573;asciilifeform;the honest men - now starve.
1075536;1427501596;asciilifeform;(or wait tables, if lucky)
1075537;1427501612;asciilifeform;the pliant muppets - fat, fatter.
1075538;1427501628;mircea_popescu;they went to bat for the wrong ceo.
1075539;1427501649;asciilifeform;where does the 'right ceo' live, l0l
1075540;1427501653;mircea_popescu;in any case, gotta admire how narrowly the chumpatron works.
1075541;1427501669;mircea_popescu;how does this thing advertise itself in wikipedia ? (and yes, that's what wikipedia is, usg-pravda)
1075542;1427501671;mircea_popescu;Whisper has become popular on college campuses,[7] with usership at several large universities throughout the United States, including Pennsylvania State University, Arizona State University, University of Florida, Ohio State University, and University of Texas at Austin.
1075543;1427501675;asciilifeform;pediwikia
1075544;1427501678;mircea_popescu;because totally. it worked for facebook, right ?
1075545;1427501690;asciilifeform;elementary honeypot
1075546;1427501698;mircea_popescu;college campuses! we got them! that's the criteria!
1075547;1427501717;mircea_popescu;"but maybe you deliberately are claiming this because you think it's the criteria ?"
1075548;1427501720;mircea_popescu;*blank stare*
1075549;1427501730;asciilifeform;buffett's algorithm - or ask any insect exterminator - zap'em young.
1075550;1427501999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137688 @ 0.00025091 = 34.5473 BTC [-] {3} 
1075551;1427502123;Chillum;advertising on Wikipedia?? unheard of!
1075552;1427502216;thestringpuller;^- that brings some vivid imagery.
1075553;1427502238;Chillum;point me to the spammer and I will block them!
1075554;1427502278;thestringpuller;VC's are like the new crack dealers.
1075555;1427502351;thestringpuller;These kids get addicted to their crack-money, and then depend on it. Next thing you know you're coinbase or reddit begging for 500mn.
1075556;1427502356;thestringpuller;Sucking the USG dick.
1075557;1427502365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78346 @ 0.00024852 = 19.4705 BTC [-]
1075558;1427502499;thestringpuller;https://medium.com/backchannel/inside-the-deep-web-drug-lab-9718cd0fe504
1075559;1427502550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.0002569 = 9.2484 BTC [+]
1075560;1427502622;trinque;pogo's not a bad little device, surely not for the price
1075561;1427502708;trinque;asciilifeform: where does turdel expect to find storage?
1075562;1427502711;trinque;for the blockchain
1075563;1427502726;nubbins`;turdel expects nothing yet
1075564;1427502741;trinque;I'll wait on that then, until my usb serial thing comes
1075565;1427502767;nubbins`;hey, your choice. the more eyes the better
1075566;1427502787;nubbins`;worth figuring out the tftp setup, flasing the pogo, etc
1075567;1427502806;trinque;thought was that having that would help me test
1075568;1427502809;trinque;I can be useful without?
1075569;1427502850;trinque;does that kernel belch serial console stuff to netconsole?
1075570;1427502875;trinque;I figure otherwise if it gets stuck somewhere my best feedback is going to be "eh well, didn't go?"
1075571;1427502906;nubbins`;well, you got through the qnology post, right?
1075572;1427502909;nubbins`;http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
1075573;1427502911;assbot;Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK4Lin )
1075574;1427502914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70526 @ 0.00024764 = 17.4651 BTC [-] {2} 
1075575;1427502915;nubbins`;debian up and running on it?
1075576;1427502917;trinque;yeah
1075577;1427502924;nubbins`;ok, how 'bout tftp
1075578;1427502942;decimation;re: us 'college' http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bernie-sanders-2016-loan-fraud/2015/03/27/id/634817/ < " The wife of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist who is aligned with the Democrat Party, may have committed loan fraud and almost drove a small college into financial ruin, according to a report."
1075579;1427502943;assbot;Report: Did Bernie Sanders' Wife Commit Loan Fraud? ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK4QTb )
1075580;1427502955;nubbins`;most sane package managers should have a tftpd that you can install on your local machine
1075581;1427502973;trinque;yeah I understand tftp
1075582;1427502987;trinque;what are you guys using to watch it boot if not netconsole or the usb serial thing?
1075583;1427502997;trinque;or are you just waiting for it to come up, then telnet-ing in?
1075584;1427503016;nubbins`;so you interrupt the boot sequence w/ nc
1075585;1427503029;nubbins`;then tftp the turdel blob over
1075586;1427503047;trinque;ah this is in dpb's writeup
1075587;1427503048;nubbins`;the first thing you have to do is update the boot sequence on your pogo
1075588;1427503054;nubbins`;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html
1075589;1427503055;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlzzZr )
1075590;1427503062;nubbins`;start with the fw_setenv bits down bottom
1075591;1427503066;trinque;k
1075592;1427503072;nubbins`;"tftp server ip" is your desktop
1075593;1427503085;nubbins`;wait, hold on now
1075594;1427503088;nubbins`;i fucked this up last time.
1075595;1427503098;nubbins`;fw_setenv "bootcmd='run boot_tftp'" <<< this needs to be modified
1075596;1427503111;nubbins`;change that to:
1075597;1427503124;nubbins`; /tmp/fw_setenv bootcmd 'run boot_tftp; run bootcmd_mmc; run bootcmd_usb; run bootcmd_sata; run bootcmd_pogo; reset'
1075598;1427503139;nubbins`;that way if tftp boot fails, you're not bricked
1075599;1427503176;trinque;cool
1075600;1427503201;nubbins`;right. so once you get that done, you start up netcat on your desktop
1075601;1427503212;nubbins`;$ nc -lu 6666 &
1075602;1427503218;trinque;sweet, uboot does it
1075603;1427503227;trinque;that's what I was wondering, whether I'd be blind during boot
1075604;1427503242;nubbins`;$ nc -u  6666
1075605;1427503252;nubbins`;then just power cycle the pogo and watch the show
1075606;1427503261;nubbins`;you'll see the 10-second countdown, hit enter
1075607;1427503295;nubbins`;then Pogov4> tftp 0x800000 turdel_with_telnet
1075608;1427503301;nubbins`;Pogov4> bootm 0x800000
1075609;1427503316;nubbins`;at which point it immediately boots into the turdel, give it a bit, then telnet into it
1075610;1427503351;nubbins`;when you're done, killall nc
1075611;1427503361;nubbins`;http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,14,14
1075612;1427503363;assbot;Use netconsole to troubleshoot uBoot without a serial cable ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlAqsY )
1075613;1427503419;nubbins`;if you manage to telnet into the turdel, pastebin some shit to prove it :D
1075614;1427503460;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QHGEWZdn
1075615;1427503461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlAHfA )
1075616;1427503493;decimation;http://www.computerworld.com/article/2902310/toshiba-announces-industrys-densest-3d-flash-memory.html < "  With the 3D NAND chips, which started shipping Thursday,  solid-state drives (SSDs) with more than 10TB of storage are just around the corner, according to Brian Shirley, vice president of memory and technology solutions at Micron. "
1075617;1427503495;assbot;Toshiba announces industry's densest 3D flash memory | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK6uo0 )
1075618;1427503500;decimation;good thing, given the size of the blockchain
1075619;1427503503;mircea_popescu;Chillum point me to the spammer and I will block them! << the whole thing exists principally as an advertising venue for a certain set of nonsense.
1075620;1427503505;mircea_popescu;such as... whisper.
1075621;1427503524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105070 @ 0.00024754 = 26.009 BTC [-]
1075622;1427503531;*;mircea_popescu meanwhile looked at hostmask. 
1075623;1427503538;Chillum;as a wikipedia admin I agree there is a lot of spam, though that is not the reason for its existence
1075624;1427503565;mircea_popescu;well, take this with a grain of salt, so it may add digestion
1075625;1427503582;mircea_popescu;but : the thinking here is that google putting wikipedia at top of search results is neither algorithmic nor coincidental.
1075626;1427503594;Chillum;It is because we are linked so much
1075627;1427503603;mircea_popescu;while it doesn't amount to conspiracy, it factually functions as one. flows driectly from confirnation bias.
1075628;1427503616;mircea_popescu;mno, google doesn't either follow links or care about the results since years ago.
1075629;1427503661;Chillum;Not sure what you mean by whisper
1075630;1427503680;mircea_popescu;the certain (worthless) app was being discussed earlier re the guardian piece
1075631;1427503702;Chillum;oh, well that article is a pile of crap.
1075632;1427503709;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075528
1075633;1427503709;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 00:06:57; asciilifeform: http://upstart.bizjournals.com/companies/media/2015/03/12/guardian-takes-back-claims-news-report-on-whisper.html << slightly out-of-date mega-l0l. 'guardian' forced to retract piece exposing egregious chumpatron
1075634;1427503716;mircea_popescu;specifically ?
1075635;1427503716;Chillum;but Wikipedia is barely aware of its existence
1075636;1427503721;decimation;Chillum: I once tried to edit a climate-change related article on wikipedia, my changes were immediate reverted by william connolley
1075637;1427503735;Chillum;well that is a controversial article
1075638;1427503743;Chillum;you would need to participate in the debate on the talk page
1075639;1427503757;mircea_popescu;Chillum mind that what i said was, "in the article whisper made on wikipedia to advertise itself, which is what wikipedia is principally used for, they depict themselves as so and so, because that's what they perceive is aspiration-able"
1075640;1427503782;Chillum;we discourage people from writing about themselves
1075641;1427503785;Chillum;pretty hard to stop though
1075642;1427503789;mircea_popescu;right.
1075643;1427503799;Chillum;right
1075644;1427503800;mircea_popescu;impossible to stop. anything anyone wants to talk about is themselves.
1075645;1427503825;Chillum;we can't stop nuts from showing up all day with crazy theories either
1075646;1427503828;mircea_popescu;but the fact that it has to be stopped in the first place says something.
1075647;1427503838;mircea_popescu;haha showing up where ?
1075648;1427503843;Chillum;on Wikipedia
1075649;1427503889;decimation;wikipedia is the ultimate do-achracy
1075650;1427503907;decimation;nobodies can camp all day on an article and 'win' if they revert/revise quickly enough
1075651;1427503994;trinque;nubbins`: helps if you disable your firewall on local machine
1075652;1427503997;trinque;:D
1075653;1427504004;nubbins`;heh.
1075654;1427504008;mircea_popescu;lol
1075655;1427504015;mircea_popescu;he's from apple. wut firewall ?
1075656;1427504040;trinque;mircea_popescu: they've got a nice pretend one with a fence icon, I'm sure
1075657;1427504047;mircea_popescu;is it white ?
1075658;1427504063;mircea_popescu;does it have a really short cable ?
1075659;1427504082;*;trinque misses the reference
1075660;1427504104;mircea_popescu;for a while i-somethings came with very short power cables, you could pay 20 bux or something for a human sized one.
1075661;1427504113;mircea_popescu;because their primary market was w/e, rabbits or something.
1075662;1427504126;trinque;oh, indeed
1075663;1427504139;trinque;now only one cable, probably still short
1075664;1427504146;*;trinque boots a turdel
1075665;1427504158;mircea_popescu;i never said this before, because i didn't want to jinx it, but
1075666;1427504167;mircea_popescu;i am fucking shocked they've not yet made square section cables
1075667;1427504181;mircea_popescu;strikes me as exactly the sort of apple-esque innovationitivity.
1075668;1427504182;Chillum;3d flash memory looks pretty awesome
1075669;1427504189;*;Chillum drools at 10tb solid state drive
1075670;1427504228;mircea_popescu;o wow, you actually churning that much data ?
1075671;1427504323;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot Chillum
1075672;1427504324;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user Chillum: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/Chillum | http://w.b-a.link/user/Chillum
1075673;1427504325;jurov;when square cables twist(inevitably), it is very visible and it looks bad
1075674;1427504352;mircea_popescu;jurov so make them out of dried panda tears so they don't twist.
1075675;1427504368;Chillum;movies, tv, music
1075676;1427504376;mircea_popescu;!rate Chillum 1 wikipedia
1075677;1427504376;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d153043aa0511b3b
1075678;1427504378;Chillum;(all legally bought of course"
1075679;1427504396;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Chillum.1:fe02b9a13c2f6575aa1d01aa90703ea5ff5fdf144a166dc8d1aac9869a5e8361
1075680;1427504397;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Chillum with note: wikipedia
1075681;1427504428;Chillum;thanks
1075682;1427504449;mircea_popescu;Chillum i have a coupla tb of movies girls prepped for me that i keep meaning to sometime see
1075683;1427504454;mircea_popescu;must have been there since 2012ish
1075684;1427504454;jurov;how much can 10tb of legal content cost? dat's like, 200 blurays
1075685;1427504498;jurov;*legally purchased copyrasted content
1075686;1427504510;mircea_popescu;i thought bluray was like 30gb
1075687;1427504536;jurov;300 then. better yet.
1075688;1427504564;mircea_popescu;In January 2007, Hitachi showcased a 100 GB Blu-ray Disc, consisting of four layers containing 25 GB each.
1075689;1427504566;mircea_popescu;nm.
1075690;1427504578;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> he's from apple. wut firewall ? <<< o.O the same firewall that obsd uses, smarty
1075691;1427504594;mircea_popescu;right.
1075692;1427504615;*;nubbins` shrugs, points to evidence
1075693;1427504654;*;mircea_popescu ignores evidence, eats the points.
1075694;1427504676;nubbins`;hey!
1075695;1427504698;decimation;pfsense, yes, another apple thing shamelessly ripped by apple
1075696;1427504708;decimation;err, bsd thing
1075697;1427504724;nubbins`;not pfsense but PF
1075698;1427504766;decimation;aye, pfsense is the distro right?
1075699;1427504769;nubbins`;(what else'd you expect a BSD mutant to use?)
1075700;1427504783;decimation;what bsd used before pf
1075701;1427504853;trinque;nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/25ESNNY
1075702;1427504854;assbot;dpaste: 25ESNNY: pogo turdel_with_telnet.gz, by trinque ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKa81b )
1075703;1427504891;decimation;ipfw to be specific
1075704;1427504902;mircea_popescu;you know there's going to be children named turdel because of you people.
1075705;1427504902;danielpbarron;pfsense is a freebsd user-friendlier interface for OpenBSD's PF
1075706;1427504908;trinque;asciilifeform: turdel_with_telnet.gz works over here
1075707;1427504913;decimation;apple didn't move to pf until 10.7
1075708;1427504915;nubbins`;trinque haha wd, another one in the club
1075709;1427504923;nubbins`;decimation +1. they used fbsd firewall before that
1075710;1427504962;mircea_popescu;"before turning off the obsd firewall, apple used to turn off the fbsd firewall"
1075711;1427504962;decimation;none of which was prominently displayed on their marketing or specs
1075712;1427504996;nubbins`;well, y'know. they also don't advertise that it comes with tftp
1075713;1427505015;mircea_popescu;decimation dude why the hate, they were just taking from those hacker kids and giving back to the business community!
1075714;1427505024;decimation;one of the reasons why I won quote-of-the-year last year :) http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304
1075715;1427505025;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKayV6 )
1075716;1427505028;nubbins`;or the thousand other BSD userland utils.
1075717;1427505046;mircea_popescu;the clown cars still cracks me up
1075718;1427505049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85590 @ 0.00025935 = 22.1978 BTC [+] {2} 
1075719;1427505076;decimation;it's true, because you are on bsd but you never know what is behind the bulkhead
1075720;1427505110;decimation;although I would say that the folks at macports do a pretty good job of porting sane unix to osx
1075721;1427505134;trinque;brew = you're gonna have a bad time
1075722;1427505154;trinque;written with the rubyfuck whimsy that prioritizes cute names over clarity
1075723;1427505171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5660 @ 0.00026059 = 1.4749 BTC [+]
1075724;1427505174;nubbins`;pouring bottle!
1075725;1427505183;trinque;tapping keg! (winks at camera)
1075726;1427505186;nubbins`;heh.
1075727;1427505190;nubbins`;brew aint so bad
1075728;1427505200;decimation;yeah I tried brew once, after about 15 minutes I ditched that shit
1075729;1427505205;trinque;that guy "why" was a good fly zapper
1075730;1427505245;nubbins`;maybe i'll do up a keg for 0.5.3.1 ;p
1075731;1427505259;trinque;nubbins`: dunno, I could have laid into 'er too hard, but I've had to nuke my brew install > two hands amount of times
1075732;1427505283;nubbins`;i nuked mine 3-4 times before i even started to understand wtf i was doing
1075733;1427505306;trinque;probably makes more sense after you map the whimsy to useful symbols
1075734;1427505323;nubbins`;just think of it as apt-get with weird terminology
1075735;1427505353;trinque;it has a use-flags-esque thing
1075736;1427505354;trinque;I like that.
1075737;1427506513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.00026293 = 11.306 BTC [+]
1075738;1427506544;mircea_popescu;very vaguely lulzi wikipedia drama : apparently they have some sort of "did you know that..." advertising shtick.
1075739;1427506552;mircea_popescu;one of the items in there was at some point that after [[Melina Perez|Melina]] ''(pictured)'' stripped [[Torrie Wilson]] in a bra & panties match at '''[[The Great American Bash (2005)]]''', referee [[Candice Michelle]] stripped Melina and herself as well?
1075740;1427506583;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what this is, except iirc godaddy had a candice michelle doing some random sluttery in their bangbros inspired style.
1075741;1427506600;decimation;lol http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us/politics/indiana-law-denounced-as-invitation-to-discriminate-against-gays.html?_r=0 < this article could have been in krokodil
1075742;1427506603;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee04lY )
1075743;1427506619;mircea_popescu;however! an admin (bedford) launched in a very... naggumesque, so to say rant, on some blog or something. myspace profile ?
1075744;1427506630;mircea_popescu;and as a result, mega huge shitfest, because how can he say things like feminazi and pms
1075745;1427506643;mircea_popescu;"Bedford, if you really wrote that, I ask you to resign your adminship. I have no opinion right now if such a request is legitimate based on policy, or precedent. I only know you've lost my faith in your ability to act in a reasonable and impartial manner. And if you didn't write it, you need to find out who is impersonating you on myspace, because they're making you look really, really, really bad."
1075746;1427506651;mircea_popescu;and soon enough jimbo himself
1075747;1427506662;decimation;lol
1075748;1427506665;mircea_popescu;*I have desysopped him.  This is not even a close call.  He's so far over the line of the conduct - both onsite and offsite - that I expect from admins that nothing short of a full and complete apology for his behavior and a retraction of his comments will do.  Additionally, he will have to stand for re-election if he dares.  As for me, I would never vote for someone with this kind of behavior in his history."
1075749;1427506673;mircea_popescu;this is VERY amusing, seeing how child porn is in jimbo's history.
1075750;1427506679;decimation;note the meanings of the words "reasonable" and "impartial"
1075751;1427506683;mircea_popescu;right ?
1075752;1427506698;decimation;"say what the fuck we want you to say when we want you to say it"
1075753;1427506698;mircea_popescu;somehow factual unpleasantness does not belong in the soi dissant encyclopedia.
1075754;1427506707;Chillum;what this place has more gossip than my mom's bridge games
1075755;1427506714;mircea_popescu;you have no idea!
1075756;1427506747;mircea_popescu;anyway, i declare myself suitably amused.
1075757;1427506757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45101 @ 0.00024778 = 11.1751 BTC [-]
1075758;1427506784;decimation;"Marc Benioff, the chief executive of Salesforce.com, a technology company with a major presence in Indiana, announced that he would cancel all company events in the state."
1075759;1427506794;decimation;"Jeremy Stoppelman, the founder of Yelp, which publishes online reviews of businesses, issued a warning to states like Indiana that “it is unconscionable to imagine that Yelp would create, maintain, or expand a significant business presence in any state that encouraged discrimination.â€"
1075760;1427506804;decimation;ideally Indiana will hold the line and become silicon valley free
1075761;1427506807;mircea_popescu;oh, and, from the previous source,
1075762;1427506810;mircea_popescu;"This type of combativeness and unseemly behavior is nothing new from Bedford. I suggest a request for user conduct be filed. I am also declining to post this from my account: I am a person of color who edits under my real name, lives close to Bedford and fears harassment or violence. I do not enjoy playing this card, but I grew up in the South and have good reason to fear Confederates and their ilk. 202.155.167.221 (t
1075763;1427506810;mircea_popescu;alk) 01:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)"
1075764;1427506821;mircea_popescu;so im guessing they de-op indiana now ?
1075765;1427506826;decimation;exactly
1075766;1427506835;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/pem5j
1075767;1427506836;assbot;                    Mycelium Entropy opened by Border Agents - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee0JE2 )
1075768;1427506841;decimation;"Gen Con, a convention for game enthusiasts that draws nearly 60,000 people a year to Indianapolis, threatened to relocate its event out of state."
1075769;1427506846;mircea_popescu;interestingly enough, yelp's failure to matter in indiana is ascribed as a fault of indiana.
1075770;1427506851;decimation;heh yeah
1075771;1427506882;decimation;as if any of these fuckheads would voluntarily step foot in a non-maritime state
1075772;1427506896;mircea_popescu;nubbins` notbad.jpg. cazalla awake ?
1075773;1427506906;asciilifeform;trinque: where does turdel expect to find storage << nowhere. you can manually mount sd and usb. (sata not yet working)
1075774;1427506926;mircea_popescu;decimation what did indiana do ?
1075775;1427506929;cazalla;mircea_popescu, about to step away in a few mins, what's up
1075776;1427506939;mircea_popescu;other than being named badly, like that baseball team or w/e.
1075777;1427506951;mircea_popescu;cazalla nubbins` link above. border cracked entropy gen.
1075778;1427506958;asciilifeform; does that kernel belch serial console stuff to netconsole << nope
1075779;1427506969;decimation;"An Indiana law that could make it easier for religious conservatives to refuse service to gay couples touched off storms of protest on Friday from the worlds of arts, business and college athletics and opened an emotional new debate in the emerging campaign for president."
1075780;1427506974;asciilifeform;trinque: but you can telnet to it!
1075781;1427506975;nubbins`;if only it was USER AUDITABLE.
1075782;1427506980;asciilifeform;(once it boots)
1075783;1427506986;nubbins`;asciilifeform <+nubbins`> http://imgur.com/a/pem5j
1075784;1427506987;assbot;                    Mycelium Entropy opened by Border Agents - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee1eOk )
1075785;1427506989;decimation;that's all the detail nyt gives on the matter before proceding on a krokodil-esque rant
1075786;1427506999;mircea_popescu;decimation hopefully they rename it to obamana
1075787;1427507004;decimation;heh
1075788;1427507014;mircea_popescu;there is precedenstalingrad!
1075789;1427507014;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i'll take a look soon
1075790;1427507016;asciilifeform;nubbins`: ... tftpd that you can install on your local machine << try 'atftp' under gentoo
1075791;1427507042;asciilifeform;then tftp the turdel blob over << not the correct way to use tftp. you leave the demon going, pointed at your build image
1075792;1427507045;asciilifeform;then fully automatic
1075793;1427507045;nubbins`;cazalla call the customs agents "notorious" if you can, they seized an ounce of salvia off me once
1075794;1427507091;mircea_popescu;decimation "an indiana law that could" is apparently the politburo approved reference.
1075795;1427507094;nubbins`;asciilifeform oh hey you're right, lel.
1075796;1427507102;mircea_popescu;apparently these oh-so-edumancated kids forgot how to cite laws.
1075797;1427507103;nubbins`;do i even posix-compliant os? ;p
1075798;1427507140;nubbins`;asciilifeform i was mixing the fw_setenv and the one-off directions ;/
1075799;1427507153;mircea_popescu;https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/568 << there it is, anyway.
1075800;1427507156;decimation;http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/27/text-indianas-religious-freedom-law/70539772/
1075801;1427507158;assbot;Here it is: The text of Indiana's ‘religious freedom’ law ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee1KvW )
1075802;1427507165;decimation;"Sec. 8. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b), a governmental entity may not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion, even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability. (b) A governmental entity may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if the governmental entity demonstrates that application of the burden to the person: (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest;
1075803;1427507167;decimation;and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest."
1075804;1427507179;decimation;damn I can feel the hate that drips from that text
1075805;1427507207;asciilifeform;10tb solid state drive << flash still disposable.
1075806;1427507208;mircea_popescu;especially as it provides injunctive and declaratory relief + damages.
1075807;1427507221;asciilifeform;don't believe the lies of 'never dies.'
1075808;1427507235;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, still dies, but that's alot of graveyard
1075809;1427507245;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the general home use of "large ssd" is mostly that, drop some pirated films on it, watch them never.
1075810;1427507249;Chillum;all hard drives die. At least solid state dies in a more predictable fashion with wear levelling
1075811;1427507251;mircea_popescu;for this, fl;ash is uniquely adequate.
1075812;1427507277;asciilifeform; 10tb of legal content << i have easily 10TB of -generated- contents, and none of it is film or audio
1075813;1427507293;Chillum;asciilifeform: It is just hundreds of copies of the block chain
1075814;1427507299;decimation;it's hilarious that a law that essentially says "congress shall make no law concerning religion" is the epitome of racisis
1075815;1427507326;Chillum;most sensible countries limit government's effect on religion and religion's effect on government
1075816;1427507348;decimation;of course, especially in states where it's expressly forbidden
1075817;1427507349;asciilifeform; ... turdel_with_telnet.gz works over here << congrats!
1075818;1427507378;asciilifeform;not that i expect it to fail on any pogo. but it'sa  pons asinorum
1075819;1427507408;mircea_popescu;decimation i thought racis is when you beat up black dudes and chauvinist is when you beat up gay dudes. did they meanwhile merge to the shorter easier to pronounce one ?
1075820;1427507428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00025242 = 7.6988 BTC [+]
1075821;1427507434;decimation;if the sv crowd is making a distinction it's news to me
1075822;1427507493;decimation;from my corner of usia "chauvinist" implies "hate women"
1075823;1427507541;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... child porn is in jimbo's history << wai wat? l0l!
1075824;1427507570;Chillum;did he go to the wrong summer camp?
1075825;1427507580;mircea_popescu;i thought it was being inflexible with self-actualisation delusions. be it gayness, being a dragon or anything else. if derp says he can shit moons and you point and laugh... a chauvinist is you.
1075826;1427507615;decimation;;;dict chauvinist
1075827;1427507616;gribble;wn: chauvinist n 1: a person with a prejudiced belief in the superiority of his or her own kind 2: an extreme bellicose nationalist [syn: {chauvinist}, {jingoist}, {jingo}, {flag-waver}, {hundred-percenter}, {patrioteer}]
1075828;1427507622;decimation;sure I'll buy it
1075829;1427507642;*;Adlai drinks and ircs; is this some right of passage or wut
1075830;1427507675;Adlai;asciilifeform: what are you generating TBs of
1075831;1427507690;decimation;rainbow tables w/select salts :)
1075832;1427507694;danielpbarron;i haven't had a drink in a while
1075833;1427507694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ancientstuff, before coming up with his current chumpatron he was doing the sort of thing bitpay guy is trying to bury
1075834;1427507706;Chillum;asciilifeform: You have experience with those Cardanos? How do they output? Can they be hooked to a serial port?
1075835;1427507728;mircea_popescu;he... makes them.
1075836;1427507733;Chillum;nice
1075837;1427507742;mircea_popescu;see s.nsa discussions
1075838;1427507746;decimation;mr. lifeform is the designer and manufacturer of them - the use usb
1075839;1427507750;asciilifeform; asciilifeform: what are you generating TBs of << was, at one point. molecular dynamics crud.
1075840;1427507822;asciilifeform; ... Can they be hooked to a serial port? << if you are thinking of the rng discussed in last week's thread (a component of cardano, not yet released machine) it is an analogue device with a ttl schmidt trigger out
1075841;1427507861;asciilifeform;0 to supply voltage.
1075842;1427507861;danielpbarron;while on subject, what is the intended use case for the cardano? and by that I guess i mean, is it supposed to be used with MPEx? or more like a perfect forward secrecy thing? or can it be both?
1075843;1427507879;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: it is intended for pretty much anything -but- mpex
1075844;1427507900;asciilifeform;(unless you're stupendously loaded and don't mind shelling out 30 btc if you ever pull 'zap' trigger)
1075845;1427507903;Chillum;I have no need, but once I own one I know a need will present itself
1075846;1427507924;Chillum;30btc?
1075847;1427507931;decimation;price of a seat on mpex
1075848;1427507943;Chillum;ah
1075849;1427508186;asciilifeform;'Mycelium Entropy opened by Border Agents' << entirely unsurprising. 'how're we to know that it isn't full of crystal meth?!1111'
1075850;1427508208;hanbot;encrypted meth
1075851;1427508226;jurov;tbh, "mycelium" "entropy" souds like some suspicious chemical
1075852;1427508289;asciilifeform;in the end, products like this will have to ship either 1) by charter courier and/or 2) with tamper-sensitive omnidirectional video/audio/gps/inertial nav recorder
1075853;1427508307;asciilifeform;(2) will be a cherished item, costly and mailed back'n'forth by typical owner and vendors
1075854;1427508358;jurov;(3) by pigeons
1075855;1427508362;asciilifeform;(i discussed several possible designs in past threads. basic principle is that a private key is destroyed upon the first sign of handling, and a secondary spare key signs every subsequent frame of recording. frames prior to this can be believed with some confidence if device arrives)
1075856;1427508397;asciilifeform;jurov: or mechanical 'pigeon'
1075857;1427508404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55200 @ 0.00025025 = 13.8138 BTC [-]
1075858;1427508414;decimation;apparently usg courts have ruled that 'exit' searches are legal
1075859;1427508458;jurov;mechanical pigeons have radar signature, susceptible to gps jamming and whatnot
1075860;1427508475;Chillum;regulars pigeons have radar signatures too
1075861;1427508480;asciilifeform;jurov: you'd be surprised at the minimal radar cross section necessary to get anyone's attention
1075862;1427508492;asciilifeform;nobody sits and audits eagles.
1075863;1427508493;mircea_popescu;lol asciilifeform could write a tv show
1075864;1427508499;mircea_popescu;SF Bitcoin!
1075865;1427508506;mircea_popescu;jurov it does, at that.
1075866;1427508510;asciilifeform;'the way to predict the future is to invent it' (TM)
1075867;1427508512;decimation;yeah civilian radar is designed to work with transponders
1075868;1427508521;decimation;not non-cooperative targets
1075869;1427508528;Chillum;some airports have bird radar, so don't fly around those
1075870;1427508534;asciilifeform;let them begin to audit eagles.
1075871;1427508542;mircea_popescu;anyway, i posit your 2) is rank nonsense. you can either not care what happens to the package, or own the infrastructure.
1075872;1427508545;asciilifeform;'heighten the contradictions', bankrupt the idiots
1075873;1427508553;mircea_popescu;this case where you care and make the package enforce your law against the natives is nonsense.
1075874;1427508554;decimation;maybe eagles should be subject to border search too
1075875;1427508558;Chillum;F-15E Strike Eagle vs normal eagle
1075876;1427508564;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: again with your habituation to the atomic dirigible
1075877;1427508567;mircea_popescu;even if you're visiting the stone age from 2500 ad.
1075878;1427508583;mircea_popescu;they'll find a way to crack your steel drum open with dinosaur bones.
1075879;1427508599;asciilifeform;let'em spend money searching for way to crack drum and not show up on youtube.
1075880;1427508611;mircea_popescu;on what youtube dood. their youtube ?
1075881;1427508619;asciilifeform;the headsoff youtube
1075882;1427508621;asciilifeform;if necessary
1075883;1427508636;mircea_popescu;anyway : you may be right re dirigibles, maybe. but i posit it has nothing to do with that and everything to do with fucking.
1075884;1427508646;asciilifeform;purpose is as much to drive the enemy mad faster, as to preserve any cargo
1075885;1427508652;asciilifeform;'harassment weapon'
1075886;1427508654;mircea_popescu;specifically, when one is looking to get laid, the correct strategy is to keep looking until one runs into a similarly minded bit of tail
1075887;1427508668;mircea_popescu;NOT to try and devise a magical wand that makes arbitrary bits o' tail similarly minded.
1075888;1427508684;mircea_popescu;well maybe like that. thos ounds pretty golden-toilety.
1075889;1427508694;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: golden-toilety << not necessarily
1075890;1427508706;asciilifeform;ultimately doesn't need to be any more complicated than a typical 'pNohe'
1075891;1427508721;asciilifeform;not proposing to craft this personally, mind you
1075892;1427508724;asciilifeform;but putting the idea out.
1075893;1427508730;asciilifeform;for archaeologists.
1075894;1427508731;mircea_popescu;lol k.
1075895;1427508754;mircea_popescu;undata is strictly gay for spacestation hikes and alf is putting out for archeologists.
1075896;1427508765;asciilifeform;let'em pass bans against 'recording servant of the king'
1075897;1427508772;asciilifeform;and then try to prove that the toaster you sent does so
1075898;1427508785;mircea_popescu;notgonna bother proving.
1075899;1427508786;asciilifeform;because it has a somewhat glossy pinhole
1075900;1427508801;mircea_popescu;also, by the time things are in that rut, cheaper to bribe agents than to fight the tech war.
1075901;1427508804;decimation;asciilifeform: they already have many such bans
1075902;1427508810;decimation;'two-party consent'
1075903;1427508852;decimation;actually it would be amusing for a robber to sue you for recording him without permission
1075904;1427508861;asciilifeform;probably happened
1075905;1427508876;decimation;or more precisely, the state to charge you
1075906;1427508887;mircea_popescu;i know of case robber suing because he hurt himself falling through hole in roof he made
1075907;1427508889;Chillum;I don't think you have an expectation of privacy while robbing
1075908;1427508903;decimation;Chillum: that's now how the wiretap law is worded
1075909;1427508903;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: more than one case in usa
1075910;1427508905;mircea_popescu;but, france
1075911;1427508907;asciilifeform;one even including a power saw
1075912;1427508913;asciilifeform;that burglar decided to play with
1075913;1427508920;asciilifeform;for no particular reason, in some schmuck's garage
1075914;1427508944;Chillum;anyone can sue for any reason, the question is how successful were they?
1075915;1427509014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107200 @ 0.00026369 = 28.2676 BTC [+] {3} 
1075916;1427509017;mircea_popescu;you gotta hire a laywer right ?
1075917;1427509027;mircea_popescu;so that successful.
1075918;1427509035;Chillum;that is not a high... bar
1075919;1427509044;decimation;anytime lawyers are involved everyone except lawyers loses
1075920;1427509057;Chillum;to hire a lawyer you need money and... just money
1075921;1427509069;mircea_popescu;http://pando.com/2014/06/09/yes-jimmy-wales-there-is-a-right-to-be-forgotten/ << pando throwing a shitfit. "how dares anyone say i am what my history rather than my narrative!11"
1075922;1427509071;assbot;Yes, Jimmy Wales, There Is a Right To Be Forgotten | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxX57w )
1075923;1427509099;mircea_popescu;Chillum maybe. this is not exactly so, much like to get a plumber is not just a matter of money.
1075924;1427509102;Chillum;right to be forgotten?
1075925;1427509105;mircea_popescu;depends where you live, how famous you are etc.
1075926;1427509118;mircea_popescu;Chillum idiotic eu concept. let's make up rights maybe people vote for us.
1075927;1427509119;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the thread where i posited that being a kiddie diddler is a prime grade qualification for becoming a usg stooge (on account of having a ready jail string to be pulled by) ?
1075928;1427509128;Chillum;there are lawyers with standards and there are lawyers who will take any paid job
1075929;1427509131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't say ?!
1075930;1427509131;asciilifeform;probably a higher qualification than having attended harvaprinceyalebridge
1075931;1427509137;Adlai;what's a kiddie diddler?
1075932;1427509148;Adlai;as in 'hacker'?
1075933;1427509149;mircea_popescu;probably somehow who rearranges kids
1075934;1427509151;mircea_popescu;with his cock
1075935;1427509157;Adlai;like the young master s
1075936;1427509188;Chillum;blackmail and covert ops have gone hand in hand historically
1075937;1427509195;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform subreason i linked that is, check out jimbo mouthpiece for google. ALSO not algorithmic, exactly.
1075938;1427509204;Chillum;but there are agents and there are assets
1075939;1427509216;asciilifeform;who is surprised.
1075940;1427509226;Chillum;being an agent is having a job, being an asset is being property
1075941;1427509286;asciilifeform;agent is the fella who recruits assets.
1075942;1427509292;asciilifeform;this is known to schoolchildren
1075943;1427509307;asciilifeform;although i suppose in different cultures there might be other names
1075944;1427509310;mircea_popescu;Chillum hey, how did you end up in here ?
1075945;1427509326;Chillum;nubbins` said the converstation was better here
1075946;1427509336;*;nubbins` shrugs helplessly
1075947;1427509343;nubbins`;was i right?
1075948;1427509354;Chillum;oh ya, meeting of the minds
1075949;1427509410;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
1075950;1427509432;mircea_popescu;ok...
1075951;1427509433;asciilifeform;let's suppose we are satisfied with a leisurely 100km/hr transit.
1075952;1427509439;decimation;lol
1075953;1427509440;asciilifeform;84 hr. voyage
1075954;1427509455;mircea_popescu;what flies 100km/hr ? either 16 or 600.
1075955;1427509458;asciilifeform;out of my arse i pull a 250 watt engine.
1075956;1427509471;asciilifeform;;;calc 84*250/400
1075957;1427509471;gribble;52.5
1075958;1427509481;asciilifeform;kg of LiMnO2 cell
1075959;1427509481;Chillum;regarding pigeons: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549
1075960;1427509482;assbot;RFC 2549 - IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxY2gf )
1075961;1427509484;asciilifeform;did i miss anything ?
1075962;1427509485;mircea_popescu;Chillum it's not better per se, just the variety of assholes is greater.
1075963;1427509495;asciilifeform;(payload, naturally; wings; extra)
1075964;1427509495;decimation;asciilifeform: that's not a small pigeon
1075965;1427509499;Chillum;diversity is the key to assholery
1075966;1427509503;asciilifeform;but not a 'boeing' either
1075967;1427509505;asciilifeform;or even a 'cessna'
1075968;1427509511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform electric batteries are a joke.
1075969;1427509513;asciilifeform;more like an andean condor.
1075970;1427509516;decimation;well, it's probably close to a cessna
1075971;1427509518;mircea_popescu;gasoline is this 1.5mw battery.
1075972;1427509520;decimation;yeah why batteries
1075973;1427509530;asciilifeform;burning gasoline gives off heat signature
1075974;1427509532;asciilifeform;and noise
1075975;1427509539;mircea_popescu;are you building a flying submarine ?
1075976;1427509540;asciilifeform;electric - no louder than a drill
1075977;1427509546;Chillum;RFC 2549 is my favourite RFC
1075978;1427509548;mircea_popescu;this is what i get for not letting him build pogo cnc
1075979;1427509555;decimation;make it a turboprop and you can fly up to predator altitutde
1075980;1427509556;mircea_popescu;now he wants to build a dynamo submarine
1075981;1427509582;decimation;less air resistance, too far to hear
1075982;1427509582;mircea_popescu;one day this guy is going to make us sorry we mocked yekudsky
1075983;1427509589;mircea_popescu;or w/e harry potter fanfic guy's name is
1075984;1427509598;asciilifeform;anyway, placed here for the enjoyment of the gentlemen t3rr0r1st3z
1075985;1427509618;mircea_popescu;pop quiz : do terrorists also prefer blondes ?
1075986;1427509619;Chillum;if you want to stay in the air a long time go for a lighter than air drone
1075987;1427509629;asciilifeform;Chillum: gigantic radar cross section
1075988;1427509639;jurov;50kg battery means 5m3 helium blimp
1075989;1427509642;asciilifeform;Chillum: the most effectual lift gas, H2, is about 1g/litre
1075990;1427509647;asciilifeform;calculate necessary envelope of gas!
1075991;1427509652;asciilifeform;for anything worthwhile as payload
1075992;1427509654;asciilifeform;and power source.
1075993;1427509662;asciilifeform;you get a 'goodyear blimp'
1075994;1427509672;asciilifeform;try hiding that as a 'bird.'
1075995;1427509673;Chillum;I suppose if you made an aluminum skin like the hindinburg
1075996;1427509676;decimation;asciilifeform: solar powered aircraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Impulse#Solar_Impulse_2_.28HB-SIB.29
1075997;1427509678;assbot;Solar Impulse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1wEp5 )
1075998;1427509683;asciilifeform;^ yes, famouse
1075999;1427509690;asciilifeform;there is one quite like it hanging in a museum here.
1076000;1427509698;mircea_popescu;actually what i'd really like to see would be a truely flying microfibre machine.
1076001;1427509699;decimation;aye
1076002;1427509699;asciilifeform;again, huge cross-section
1076003;1427509705;mircea_popescu;think 100sqft of "plastic foil"
1076004;1427509709;decimation;they are flying around the world with the new model
1076005;1427509711;mircea_popescu;that actually flies, sorta like a manta
1076006;1427509713;Chillum;just get some radar, go into the desert and figure out what can hold hydrogen but does not absorb or reflect radar
1076007;1427509714;decimation;236ft wingspan
1076008;1427509723;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i designed, on paper, such a thing. ionic lift.
1076009;1427509726;Chillum;hydrogen itself will be more transparent than air
1076010;1427509740;mircea_popescu;tiny microprocessor/sensors to graps its situation
1076011;1427509741;asciilifeform;needs power source about 100x denser than LiMnO2
1076012;1427509743;decimation;" 4 × electric motors powered from solar cells and 4 x 41 kWh lithium-ion batteries (633 kg), providing 13 kW[19], electric motors (17.4 HP) each"
1076013;1427509748;asciilifeform;;;google ion lifter
1076014;1427509749;gribble;Ionocraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; LIfter/Ion Craft, Biefeld Brown Effect, Part 4 - YouTube: ; How Ion Propulsion, Lifters and Ionocrafts Work - YouTube: 
1076015;1427509751;mircea_popescu;and contraction somehow to make it move.
1076016;1427509756;mircea_popescu;that'd be a kickass robot.
1076017;1427509758;Chillum;high voltage on those ion lifters
1076018;1427509776;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not straight up like that. a flexible foil that exploits atmospheric randomness
1076019;1427509782;mircea_popescu;ie, slides according to heat layers.
1076020;1427509783;decimation;;;calc (52.5/633)*236
1076021;1427509783;gribble;19.5734597156
1076022;1427509788;Chillum;keep in mind that in addition to radar they are looking for signal emissions
1076023;1427509795;decimation;^ 19ft wingspan for your 52 kg batteries
1076024;1427509797;decimation;cessna
1076025;1427509797;Chillum;an ion lifter would stick out like a sore thumb
1076026;1427509805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: heat layers << as birds do ?
1076027;1427509817;mircea_popescu;yes but imagine a superthin bird.
1076028;1427509825;mircea_popescu;"like plastic bag in ocean" more apt.
1076029;1427509836;Chillum;you could always just fly between mountains
1076030;1427509842;mircea_popescu;a plastic bag never reaches the bottom, it is ground into mush before.
1076031;1427509845;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one of my intended applications for waveguide motor was to make ornithopter transition from joke to practical
1076032;1427509858;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you could make the waveguide very flat and tiny
1076033;1427509863;asciilifeform;arbitrarily thin
1076034;1427509863;mircea_popescu;it would prolly work for this application
1076035;1427509866;asciilifeform;any conductor can be it.
1076036;1427509868;mircea_popescu;tho electrostatic may be better
1076037;1427509876;Chillum;an ornithopter would work fine on Titan
1076038;1427509893;Chillum;or in the fictional Mars/Barsoom
1076039;1427509899;Chillum;(not the real Mars though)
1076040;1427509918;jurov;mircea_popescu: iirc there is medusa-like contraption that was considered most efficient way to keep heavier tha air machine afloat
1076041;1427509924;jurov;can't find the link
1076042;1427509932;mircea_popescu;i recall that. something in that vein, yes
1076043;1427509936;Chillum;did anyone see the Ted talk where they had a hummerbird model flying?
1076044;1427509942;mircea_popescu;the newer polymers hold a lot of promise for strength etc
1076045;1427509942;asciilifeform;at any rate, we know precisely what machine ought to look, weigh, and function like.
1076046;1427509945;asciilifeform;ordinary bird.
1076047;1427509946;Chillum;humming bird size, flapping wings, a blur
1076048;1427509948;asciilifeform;say, canada goose.
1076049;1427509968;Chillum;you could put a neural control system on a real bird
1076050;1427509971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform really more like a manta that's an acre and goes in air.
1076051;1427510014;asciilifeform;^ no longer fits the 'not distinguishable from actual bird except at visual contact range' bill, does it.
1076052;1427510032;asciilifeform;brb
1076053;1427510038;jurov;if can be done transparent
1076054;1427510041;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> Chillum it's not better per se, just the variety of assholes is greater. << this is prob more accurate
1076055;1427510055;jurov;but it'd need to avoid rain at all costs, i guess
1076056;1427510118;Chillum;there are plenty of weather balloons out there. They don't follow flight plans. A large balloon would not be too out of place
1076057;1427510128;Chillum;you can steer by changing altitude
1076058;1427510136;Chillum;super low power
1076059;1427510175;decimation;there's folks who make a hobby of locating radiosondes
1076060;1427510212;decimation;http://www.blackcatsystems.com/software/radiosonde-decoder.html < one example
1076061;1427510214;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxZPSp )
1076062;1427510257;Chillum;radio hacking is cool
1076063;1427510267;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_citFkSNtk
1076064;1427510267;assbot;Festo AirJelly - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy02oP )
1076065;1427510281;Chillum;it is not that hard to setup a software defined radio to track the transponders of aircraft nearby
1076066;1427510366;decimation;Chillum: yes the popular tool is the rtl 2832 chip on a usb connected to software that decodes mode-s transponder emissions
1076067;1427510420;Chillum;On another topic I am trying to hack my router(without looking up how to, figuring it out is the fun part)
1076068;1427510433;Chillum;I found references to a uart in the firmware
1076069;1427510448;Chillum;hopefully I can pop busybox or something
1076070;1427510734;nubbins`;check out openwrt if you get stuck
1076071;1427510875;Chillum;that is cheating
1076072;1427510880;Chillum;I want to hack the OS that is on it now
1076073;1427510882;Chillum;get root access
1076074;1427510898;Chillum;get doom running
1076075;1427510944;Chillum;insecurity in routers is a real problem. Most homes have a router that can be hacked by anyone who connects over wifi. From there they can packet sniff
1076076;1427511193;Adlai;cf http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/paper.html
1076077;1427511194;assbot;Internet Census 2012 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1C7Mv )
1076078;1427511284;Chillum;I have found software from 2002 on my router
1076079;1427511295;Chillum;DLINK likes to keep code a long time
1076080;1427511442;Adlai;#b-a poll: who has found machine learning worth learning, as a human who learns machines their work
1076081;1427511490;Adlai;(for 19th century vernacular values of the transitive 'learn')
1076082;1427511588;asciilifeform;balloon << again, gigantic radar (and wind sail) cross-section.
1076083;1427511721;mircea_popescu;Adlai afaik nobody.
1076084;1427511723;Chillum;again, already lots of weather balloons out there going in random directions
1076085;1427511725;Chillum;just blend in
1076086;1427511757;Chillum;they go to an altitude above aircraft, when they start dropping the self destruct to avoid the airspace
1076087;1427511793;asciilifeform;for those who insist on balloons, at least study the state of the art: http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/41791.html/fusen-bakudan-balloon-bomb
1076088;1427511794;assbot;Chicago Boyz  » Blog Archive   » Fusen Bakudan balloon-bomb ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy3EqM )
1076089;1427511835;Chillum;not state of the art. Lighter than air craft are getting very advanced
1076090;1427511856;Adlai;mircea_popescu: sorry but you're not relevant here; you learn people their work, not machines
1076091;1427511876;mircea_popescu;actually, my bird wouldn't be a baloon. it'd be a sheet of plastic, basically. this can have zero size if it wants to
1076092;1427511878;Adlai;not that people aren't machines, but i think that you now know what i means
1076093;1427511891;mircea_popescu;the question is whether you know what you mean.
1076094;1427511909;*;Adlai knows what he wants, not what he needs
1076095;1427511913;asciilifeform;Chillum: if you're not familiar with the fusen bakudan - it was a very elegant & clever design which exploited facts about high-atmosphere air currents
1076096;1427511919;asciilifeform;and cost almost nothing
1076097;1427511959;mircea_popescu;is this the thing that dropped japanese glass beads ?
1076098;1427511968;asciilifeform;dropped thermite and hexagen
1076099;1427511993;asciilifeform;clockwork released, depending on time, sandbags or payload bomblets
1076100;1427512024;decimation;http://www.wired.com/2014/06/google-balloons-year-later/ < balloon with useful payload
1076101;1427512025;assbot;Google's Balloon Internet Experiment, One Year Later | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1ESgX )
1076102;1427512063;asciilifeform;https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5009/5307743155_c1862e4a33_z.jpg
1076103;1427512064;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1EWNA )
1076104;1427512283;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqRugDQC02Q&feature=youtu.be
1076105;1427512284;assbot;What is the point of the "tamper evident" sticker on the Mycellium entropy devices? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1FBi8 )
1076106;1427512286;nubbins`;my sides.
1076107;1427512307;nubbins`;for those who don't watch: guy removes device from package w/o damaging tamper evident sticker
1076108;1427512328;asciilifeform;l0l
1076109;1427512359;asciilifeform;i would also add that the 'uncopyability' of hologram is greatly exaggerated.
1076110;1427512366;asciilifeform;esp. if you have them made at somebody else's press
1076111;1427512372;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/8UWZy87.gifv
1076112;1427512372;assbot;WHAAARRRBBLLLGLLLAARRBBBLE ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1FYt7 )
1076113;1427512462;Chillum;asciilifeform: and it did next to zero damage
1076114;1427512511;Chillum;tamper evident sticker will only stop a casual attacker, not one with resources
1076115;1427512518;Chillum;ie a state actor
1076116;1427512543;decimation;^ which is why the device must be inspectible/audit-able by user
1076117;1427512545;Adlai;some of the devices shipped with teh sticker glued to the wrong side
1076118;1427512550;nubbins`;ha
1076119;1427512553;asciilifeform;Chillum: for a hypothetical smuggler, balloon only needs to land within range of cell tower and connect for a few seconds, send enciphered coords
1076120;1427512559;Chillum;If you want to make sure the government has not tampered with a package, put some weed in there. If the weed is still there they probably did not look lol
1076121;1427512560;Adlai;ie sticker covering the hinges of the plastic casing, rather than the clasp
1076122;1427512563;mircea_popescu;you can trivially make tamper evident stickers that aren't fixable with infinite resoruces.
1076123;1427512568;Chillum;ohhh I did not realize we were talking about smuggling devices
1076124;1427512569;asciilifeform;(has obvious caveats, but may still be cost-effective)
1076125;1427512579;decimation;or you could go out back and pick up some uranium ore and build your own rng
1076126;1427512582;mircea_popescu;first step being, make them secret.
1076127;1427512590;Adlai;https://imgur.com/bZ3t7VN
1076128;1427512592;assbot;                                            I do not understand the Mycelium Entropy packaging - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1GHKT )
1076129;1427512603;Chillum;Semi-submersible latches onto side of cargo ship below the water lines, gets carried
1076130;1427512625;Adlai;reddit comments are top lel: http://redd.it/30g79h
1076131;1427512627;assbot;I do not understand the Mycelium Entropy packaging : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1GTtu )
1076132;1427512627;Chillum;I assume since we are on IRC this is hypothetical
1076133;1427512629;nubbins`;Adlai i guess those magnets aren't strong enough.
1076134;1427512643;Adlai;magnets{
1076135;1427512646;Adlai;?
1076136;1427512653;nubbins`;little silver thing in the case there
1076137;1427512654;nubbins`;anyway
1076138;1427512655;asciilifeform;Chillum: we are thinking of what intelligent smugglers might do a decade from today
1076139;1427512658;nubbins`; I would have secured them better by adding a sticker on the other side too (I got them the way you got them before shipping), but I had very few extra stickers. Should have been put on the front. I dont know what happened here. Maybe they were putting them on the sides without realizing how flexible the box is, and only realized when they almost ran out? Pretty sad that after such a huge amount of work adding and improving internal
1076140;1427512658;nubbins`; hardware and software security, that there was such a simple oversight.
1076141;1427512677;Chillum;asciilifeform: I think attaching to the underside of ships
1076142;1427512693;nubbins`;"pretty sad that a fuckin sticker determines whether our device is a paperweight or not"
1076143;1427512694;asciilifeform;make them secret << the only tamper-evident concept worth anything is the kind only evident to the intended recipient.
1076144;1427512713;*;Adlai almost starts to feel respect for truecrypt devs, who at least admitted, behind their veil of anonimity, that they have nfc what they're doing
1076145;1427512726;decimation;yes, it was the honorable route
1076146;1427512746;Chillum;multiple colors of wax melted into a seal with photo delivered separately is still used by embassies in hostile mail systems
1076147;1427512759;Chillum;very hard to reproduce the identical swirls
1076148;1427512783;Chillum;in nuclear regulatory systems they seal with a metal button and then scratch it up with a pin and photograph the scratches
1076149;1427512786;asciilifeform;Chillum: very hard to reproduce the identical swirls << l0l. you don't need to reproduce the seal. only the box.
1076150;1427512790;Chillum;under the assumption that you could not produce identical scratches
1076151;1427512831;Chillum;permeable paper, the wax absorbs into the paper which is a solid seamless envelope
1076152;1427512833;asciilifeform;in the linked example, no one had to even build a second box - original opened and closed undamaged.
1076153;1427512847;danielpbarron;!s bill of lading
1076154;1427512848;assbot;0 results for 'bill of lading' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bill+of+lading
1076155;1427512860;asciilifeform;Chillum: unless the seal encloses the entire package, all you need to do is recreate the box and reattach the seal.
1076156;1427512884;asciilifeform;(after having cut the original crate open on the end opposite)
1076157;1427512884;mircea_popescu;maybe you can't detach the seal.
1076158;1427512889;Chillum;again, no box. Small paper envelope
1076159;1427512897;Chillum;wax absored into the paper
1076160;1427512918;Chillum;old school method that still works today. If you can defeat it then you should sell the method to our fav government
1076161;1427512918;asciilifeform;envelope has other side, edges
1076162;1427512921;Adlai;what about just using fucking pke
1076163;1427512925;asciilifeform;it is not difficult to dissolve and bond paper.
1076164;1427512944;Adlai;or is gpg too complex for lizards?
1076165;1427512954;asciilifeform;Adlai: go send coke and plutonium over pgp
1076166;1427512967;Adlai;who sends coke and plutonium in diplomatic mail+
1076167;1427512982;asciilifeform;plenty of folks
1076168;1427512983;asciilifeform;nukes, even
1076169;1427512992;asciilifeform;are known for a fact to have traveled in diplopouch
1076170;1427513010;Chillum;big pouch
1076171;1427513014;Adlai;maybe the launch codes. but the nuke itself doesn't fit in an envelope
1076172;1427513026;Adlai;launch codes can be serialized and 'compressed'
1076173;1427513030;asciilifeform;Chillum, Adlai : 'pouch' is a misnomer
1076174;1427513031;decimation;the business end of a nuke is not large at all
1076175;1427513047;asciilifeform;diplomatic mail has carried items as large as entire tanks
1076176;1427513048;danielpbarron;http://szabo.best.vwh.net/seals.html
1076177;1427513050;assbot;The Playdough Protocols ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy72C5 )
1076178;1427513084;Adlai;"Miss Bianca, after all, is a poet too, and in any case she is due to travel any day now by diplomatic pouch to Norway."
1076179;1427513085;decimation;http://www.state.gov/m/ds/rls/c33371.htm
1076180;1427513086;assbot;2009 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy77Wd )
1076181;1427513111;danielpbarron;Rejoining the breached container lid, knot, or latch and replacing the broken seal with a new, identical seal would have been, short of stealing the original unique seal carving, impossible to hide from the inspector.
1076182;1427513124;asciilifeform;incidentally
1076183;1427513164;asciilifeform;by vienna convention (1815 iirc) diplo couriers are permitted to treat any attack upon their cargo or person as an act of war
1076184;1427513166;Adlai;danielpbarron: you don't have to touch the seal if the packaging itself is easier to replicate
1076185;1427513167;asciilifeform;and shoot to kill
1076186;1427513184;asciilifeform;su diplo couriers would also hit the Big Red Button (TM) on the crate
1076187;1427513186;Adlai;corners and edges are a bitch
1076188;1427513186;asciilifeform;if threatened
1076189;1427513193;asciilifeform;(set off the thermite)
1076190;1427513255;asciilifeform;this includes customs inspectors (who are supposes to stay the fuck away)
1076191;1427513264;decimation;note the couriers watching the pouch cargo personally
1076192;1427513286;asciilifeform;note also the 'pouch' quite large enough for a passenger car
1076193;1427513308;danielpbarron;I don't like humor in professional communication. Not in code comments, not in technical manuals, not in user interfaces.  << from the reddit thing on the mushroom thing
1076194;1427513317;Chillum;This is a really good talk page the effectiveness(or lack there of) of tamper evident devices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIQml3MBJoE
1076195;1427513318;assbot;DEFCON 19: Introduction to Tamper Evident Devices (w speaker) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy7Fvd )
1076196;1427513343;Chillum;short story, they are not very good
1076197;1427513366;Chillum;he shows how to remove and return the seals used on shipping containers
1076198;1427513466;danielpbarron;Adlai, not if the seal and container are made of the same clay
1076199;1427513475;asciilifeform;mass produced seals, sold commercially, are approximately as useful as the lock on a typical home door
1076200;1427513478;asciilifeform;'keep honest man honest'
1076201;1427513495;Adlai;danielpbarron: ie, the entire container is a seal?
1076202;1427513499;danielpbarron;Adlai, ya
1076203;1427513543;Adlai;this is a valid approach
1076204;1427513556;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : i would almost dare to suggest that the idiot seal was a deliberate smoke grenade to distract from the idiocy of the 'mycelium' produce itself
1076205;1427513564;Adlai;or at least, s/is/seems/
1076206;1427513564;danielpbarron;it's not economical / made more sense when voyages were so expensive
1076207;1427513577;asciilifeform;http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/17/proof-that-mycelium-knows-how-to-make-a-better-rng-for-its-entropy-dongle-and-isnt << pete's summary
1076208;1427513581;assbot;Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn't. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1y61MkH )
1076209;1427513597;mircea_popescu;aka marketing item.
1076210;1427513621;asciilifeform;i meant, not merely the seal, but the trivially bent box (as shown in film linked earlier)
1076211;1427513628;danielpbarron;these days there isn't that much to verify that a shipment hasn't been tampered with; a shipping container is "sealed" with a metal peg coated in plastic and stamped with some numbers
1076212;1427513642;Chillum;The problem with the mycelium key is the same printers that accept USB sticks also have internal memory
1076213;1427513647;asciilifeform;classical gambit - fuck a goat, folks will forget that you also fuck babies and guinea pigs
1076214;1427513652;Adlai;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#footnote_1_54701 << s/3rd/4th/?
1076215;1427513653;assbot;The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy87tF )
1076216;1427513663;Chillum;I like my solution better
1076217;1427513664;Chillum;http://static.highinbc.com/20150313_194522.jpg
1076218;1427513680;Chillum;tty thermal printer has no memory
1076219;1427513688;mircea_popescu;Adlai right.
1076220;1427513689;asciilifeform;Chillum: what is in the box ?
1076221;1427513695;Chillum;a raspberry pi
1076222;1427513701;Chillum;and a thermal receipt printer
1076223;1427513707;Chillum;all controlled by 1 button
1076224;1427513708;asciilifeform;i like thermal printers.
1076225;1427513712;Adlai;not that it helps anyone
1076226;1427513714;asciilifeform;happen to own one myself.
1076227;1427513728;asciilifeform;they are good for printing onetimepads.
1076228;1427513731;Chillum;It was a kit meant to print twitter feeds
1076229;1427513735;asciilifeform;and system logs.
1076230;1427513739;asciilifeform;(go delete that.)
1076231;1427513757;Chillum;so I reimaged the sd with a base raspbian and wrote some python code to get addresses from vanitygen and print them
1076232;1427513773;Chillum;no swap, use that runs vanitygen has read only access to drive and does everything in ram
1076233;1427513780;Chillum;s/use/user/
1076234;1427513803;Chillum;one time pads are cool
1076235;1427513862;mircea_popescu;not a bad design.
1076236;1427513871;Chillum;thanks. It was really fun making it
1076237;1427513895;asciilifeform;only trouble spot is the rng
1076238;1427513901;mircea_popescu;first time ppl that wander in here and a) aren't going to spaceghost the bitcoin ; b) aren't retarded.
1076239;1427513902;asciilifeform;but other than that - sure
1076240;1427513904;mircea_popescu;this is like...rare.
1076241;1427513908;Chillum;the hwrng on the pi is better than the prng most computers use
1076242;1427513910;asciilifeform;aha rare.
1076243;1427513926;mircea_popescu;Chillum we don't trust it because very suspicious corp / closed turd.
1076244;1427513926;asciilifeform;Chillum: it is not know for a fact to be anything other than prng
1076245;1427513954;Chillum;my understanding is it is avalanche based
1076246;1427513957;asciilifeform;and manufacturer has one of the worst histories of stonewalling and fraudulently 'open' source of any.
1076247;1427513964;asciilifeform;understanding'
1076248;1427513970;asciilifeform;means that one understands
1076249;1427513975;asciilifeform;no?
1076250;1427513987;Chillum;I agree it is integrated into a black box
1076251;1427514005;asciilifeform;could be avalanche. could also be marsaglia seeded with phase of the moon.
1076252;1427514013;asciilifeform;for all we can tell.
1076253;1427514018;Chillum;though most entropy from PRNGs come from hard drive timings, which run black box firmware
1076254;1427514021;nubbins`;that'd be pretty random.
1076255;1427514034;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the number 3 is very random by same token.
1076256;1427514056;nubbins`;works once, anyway.
1076257;1427514067;Chillum;I doubt there is a modern computer out there that does not have some black box software or firmware
1076258;1427514068;asciilifeform;incidentally, i will use this occasion to point out that prng is not deadly because enemy can somehow get the exact bits again
1076259;1427514081;asciilifeform;but because of the known relationship between bit N and N+k
1076260;1427514089;Chillum;it is possible to infect a hard drive with malware. Not the data, the firmware
1076261;1427514094;asciilifeform;this can be used to narrow key class.
1076262;1427514118;asciilifeform;Chillum: this has been known to the public for months, to me for years, and to #b-a for at least a year and a half.
1076263;1427514132;mircea_popescu;Chillum this was actuallyt discussed in logs
1076264;1427514133;Chillum;If I could hook up a little device to the usb or serial that gave me numbers I would be more confident in then I would do that
1076265;1427514179;Chillum;depending on the price
1076266;1427514222;Chillum;with 128 bits to a bitcoin key you do have some keyspace to play with
1076267;1427514382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00026172 = 11.0708 BTC [-]
1076268;1427514475;decimation;asciilifeform: do you derp around with locks?
1076269;1427514488;asciilifeform;decimation: did, at times
1076270;1427514497;*;asciilifeform not mega-lockexpert
1076271;1427514504;Chillum;I try to, but am not very good
1076272;1427514512;*;asciilifeform read the mit guide and did the exercises like everybody else
1076273;1427514539;decimation;asciilifeform: I'm toying with the idea of buying slightly better deadbolts
1076274;1427514600;asciilifeform;if a house, with glass windows, etc. and not a vault - probably wasted money.
1076275;1427514617;Chillum;only if it is your weakest point
1076276;1427514672;decimation;aye, most breakins are 'kick-ins'
1076277;1427514699;mircea_popescu;trivial to make windows bulletproof tho, these days.
1076278;1427514702;mircea_popescu;get that foil thing
1076279;1427514733;asciilifeform;wai wat
1076280;1427514740;asciilifeform;bulletproof foil? made of what?
1076281;1427514747;mircea_popescu;plastic, strong glue
1076282;1427514748;asciilifeform;and if foil in window, why not brick?
1076283;1427514759;mircea_popescu;it'll hold a brick too.
1076284;1427514765;asciilifeform;no, brick in the widow
1076285;1427514779;asciilifeform;why even have a window if covering in opaque armour
1076286;1427514786;mircea_popescu;it's actually transparent
1076287;1427514786;decimation;yes, they make laminate for window reinforcement
1076288;1427514792;asciilifeform;ah 'lexan' replacements
1076289;1427514810;asciilifeform;mega-expensive
1076290;1427514820;decimation;http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Residential/Safety-Security_Window_Films/
1076291;1427514827;mircea_popescu;not THAT expensive
1076292;1427514858;mircea_popescu;decimation i was gonna say, 3m lol
1076293;1427514864;decimation;yeah 3m makes good shit
1076294;1427514900;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not policarbonate replacement for glass in window. it's a very highly adhesive foil, which you stick on the window
1076295;1427514909;mircea_popescu;gives it immense plasticity as it were
1076296;1427514912;decimation;if it's a 'random burglar' it might be enough to convince him to go elsewhere
1076297;1427514913;asciilifeform;aha like in car.
1076298;1427514917;mircea_popescu;right
1076299;1427514918;decimation;yeah
1076300;1427514927;mircea_popescu;http://solutions.3m.com/3MContentRetrievalAPI/BlobServlet?lmd=1290196235000&locale=en_WW&assetType=MMM_Image&assetId=1273657601352&blobAttribute=ImageFile << typical impact
1076301;1427514927;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ylndf8 )
1076302;1427514928;asciilifeform;so he break & then cuts with knife ?
1076303;1427514930;mircea_popescu;omfg horrid site design
1076304;1427514938;mircea_popescu;if he's willing to, yes. shitty job tho.
1076305;1427514940;decimation;possibly, but it would take quite a bit of doing
1076306;1427514951;mircea_popescu;best way really is torch
1076307;1427514955;decimation;not the snatch n' grab job
1076308;1427514955;mircea_popescu;shit'll melt/smoke
1076309;1427514968;asciilifeform;and wouldn't it be in a sense counterproductive? as in, burglars will often themselves glue film to windows before breaking them, to silence the sound
1076310;1427514996;asciilifeform;(traditional in usa)
1076311;1427515002;mircea_popescu;different glue.
1076312;1427515003;decimation;all these kinds of security gizmos are quite useless if there's not ability to summon a human to inspect what is going on
1076313;1427515020;mircea_popescu;decimation makes door lock the weak point again is all.
1076314;1427515022;asciilifeform;decimation: american security paraphernalia usually presumes owner is home with shotgun
1076315;1427515036;decimation;they are also quite useless against a well-bezzled actor
1076316;1427515053;mircea_popescu;i wonder what % of said paraphenalia is sold to protect your goods, and what % "ticket to shooting your own guy!"
1076317;1427515082;asciilifeform;'own goals' are not uncommon in usa
1076318;1427515104;decimation;all I want is to 'run faster than you' away from the bear
1076319;1427515174;decimation;if an army of bears wants to target me, not much can be done
1076320;1427515175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50019 @ 0.00025534 = 12.7719 BTC [-]
1076321;1427515546;asciilifeform;http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Residential/Safety-Security_Window_Films << the 'break-in attempt' film is a mega-l0l
1076322;1427515548;assbot;3M Scotchshield Automotive Security Films - Clear and tinted Security films for cars, trucks - 3M Scotchshield ... ( http://bit.ly/1ylohzq )
1076323;1427515642;decimation;lol like the mouse
1076324;1427515650;asciilifeform;exactly the mouse
1076325;1427515672;decimation;I suspect that this is 3m's target market
1076326;1427515677;decimation;ghetto businesses
1076327;1427515687;decimation;'keeping honest thugs honest'
1076328;1427515705;asciilifeform;not around here. nobody cancelled the traditional pull-down cage
1076329;1427515820;nubbins`;"things changed since, and both GNU and BSD recent versions of tar have support for storing extended attributes. They use incompatible formats"
1076330;1427515824;nubbins`;^ current headache
1076331;1427516090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00026703 = 8.4381 BTC [+]
1076332;1427516521;asciilifeform;'It had an airport, railway and dungeons. Most of Pingfang was burnt by the Japanese to destroy evidence but the incinerator where the remains of victims were burnt remains and is still in use as part of a factory.' -- pediwikil0l
1076333;1427516561;jurov;Chillum, I added microphone to the rng mix for similar rpi application
1076334;1427516585;Chillum;how does that work?
1076335;1427516600;Chillum;sound has entropy but it also has a lot of pattern
1076336;1427516622;jurov;http://www.vanheusden.com/aed/
1076337;1427516623;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ylqqv1 )
1076338;1427516654;Chillum;watch out for humming fluorescent lights
1076339;1427516665;Chillum;no amount of debiasing will create entropy from a patterned source
1076340;1427516686;jurov;obv no
1076341;1427516712;jurov;but it's something you can control, such as making suitable noise while the addy is generated
1076342;1427516733;Chillum;sound cards also pick up radio signals
1076343;1427516741;Chillum;the pi in particular has poor sheilding
1076344;1427516766;Chillum;suitable noise?
1076345;1427516770;Chillum;like a burp?
1076346;1427516774;asciilifeform;pick up radio << interestingly my early-1990s 'gravis' stood head and shoulders above modern pc in this respect
1076347;1427516793;Chillum;https://xkcd.com/1210/
1076348;1427516794;assbot;xkcd: I'm So Random ... ( http://bit.ly/1CutsCm )
1076349;1427516794;jurov;crunching paper or cookies bag comes to mind
1076350;1427516813;jurov;or, as i have a window to busy street, i used that
1076351;1427516817;Chillum;I think you over estimate your ability to create entropy with everday objects
1076352;1427516822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14399 @ 0.00026703 = 3.845 BTC [+]
1076353;1427516827;Chillum;the results will be hard to predict though
1076354;1427516847;asciilifeform;Chillum: ever play http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html ?
1076355;1427516849;assbot;Man vs. Machine. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CutBFV )
1076356;1427516854;jurov;and you think since there will be some hum, any entropy is lost?
1076357;1427516880;Chillum;the debiaser can't tell entropy from pattern
1076358;1427516884;Chillum;it all gets mixed together
1076359;1427516886;jurov;you can
1076360;1427516900;jurov;and that's not what debiaser is doing
1076361;1427516958;jurov;you can listen to the sample before using it, to check whether the noise is there
1076362;1427516975;Chillum;got 50%
1076363;1427516991;Chillum;noise itself is a repeating wave
1076364;1427516993;Chillum;very ordered
1076365;1427517005;Chillum;particularly noises made by objects
1076366;1427517016;Chillum;sound I should say
1076367;1427517050;Chillum;got 100% second try
1076368;1427517054;Chillum;stupid computer
1076369;1427517081;asciilifeform;Chillum: if you can predict wave from turbulent flow (e.g., water faucet) don't settle for small change. aeronautics and naval folks would like a word with you.
1076370;1427517127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61770 @ 0.00026745 = 16.5204 BTC [+] {2} 
1076371;1427517134;Chillum;if you have complete control of your noise source then I suppose it would work
1076372;1427517155;Chillum;but so many noise sources are very orders and all around us. 60hz is all around us
1076373;1427517162;Chillum;s/orders/ordered/
1076374;1427517245;Chillum;Say I start creating variants on a 6hz tone and create keys with that tool. I may just make the same key as someone else who used it near a lamp
1076375;1427517248;Chillum;60hz
1076376;1427517254;Chillum;or at least reduce my keyspace
1076377;1427517277;asciilifeform;!s xor lemma
1076378;1427517278;assbot;1 results for 'xor lemma' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xor+lemma
1076379;1427517280;jurov;yes, if you insist using lamp and nothin else as your audio
1076380;1427517283;asciilifeform;collect for a while.
1076381;1427517296;asciilifeform;why hurry.
1076382;1427517354;cazalla;scoopbot fetch http://qntra.net/2015/03/mycelium-entropy-devices-possibly-tampered-with-during-transit/
1076383;1427517354;assbot;Mycelium Entropy Devices Possibly Tampered With During Transit | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ylrWgE )
1076384;1427517867;asciilifeform;^ if it had cameratron (see earlier thread) we'd have more to laugh at than a torn box.
1076385;1427518042;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 12 @ 0.10041665 = 1.205 BTC [+] {4} 
1076386;1427518774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00026653 = 13.9662 BTC [-] {2} 
1076387;1427519145;pete_dushenski;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074455 << a h/t recipient is you!
1076388;1427519145;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 13:13:27; nubbins`: pete_dushenski http://i.imgur.com/z1q3Uc5.png heehee!
1076389;1427519182;nubbins`;WE WANTED SOME FEELS
1076390;1427519185;pete_dushenski;Chillum: solid first day in b-a!
1076391;1427519218;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: AND WE KNEW A GUY WHO PRINTED T-SHIRTS
1076392;1427519238;pete_dushenski;hey, we also know a guy who prints t-shirts, don't we...
1076393;1427519258;nubbins`;but what do we want to FUCK
1076394;1427519270;nubbins`;NODELESSNESS
1076395;1427519303;pete_dushenski;WOMENZ
1076396;1427519313;Chillum;lol
1076397;1427519355;pete_dushenski;SOCIALIST BUREAUCRACY
1076398;1427519381;pete_dushenski;^i'd wear this t-shirt actually
1076399;1427519435;pete_dushenski;back should read: WITH A SPIKEY CACTUS
1076400;1427519564;Chillum;I have a shirt that says "I read your e-mails"
1076401;1427519595;pete_dushenski;heh.
1076402;1427519621;pete_dushenski;i have one that says "bitinstant"
1076403;1427519640;pete_dushenski;maybe one day i'll add "signs papers" to the back ;)
1076404;1427519689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60149 @ 0.00026652 = 16.0309 BTC [-]
1076405;1427520848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7532 @ 0.00026652 = 2.0074 BTC [-]
1076406;1427521153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00025547 = 5.5054 BTC [-]
1076407;1427521277;pete_dushenski;"Women guaranteed at least 50% of jobs on Victorian government boards" << wd oz, get those numbers up!
1076408;1427521302;pete_dushenski;because quotas based on stupidity will surely yield genius results
1076409;1427521316;pete_dushenski;"we need 300,000 pairs of shoes"
1076410;1427521330;pete_dushenski;and so what if they're all size 6 because there wasn't more leather
1076411;1427521360;Chillum;hey everybody, we're all going to get laid!
1076412;1427521485;pete_dushenski;at laaaast!
1076413;1427521496;pete_dushenski;Monday 12 January 2015 will go down in confectionery history as a bad day. A hurtful day.
1076414;1427521497;pete_dushenski;The day when it was revealed that Cadbury’s Creme Eggs have changed for ever.
1076415;1427521497;pete_dushenski;No longer shall the egg shell be made from delicious Cadbury Dairy Milk chocolate. It will instead be made from disgusting, foul, vomit-inducing “standard cocoa mix chocolateâ€.
1076416;1427521512;pete_dushenski;^ok this is lulzy
1076417;1427521527;pete_dushenski;The spokesman said the new chocolate had been tested on “consumers†– industry shorthand for “idiotsâ€, clearly – and had been “found to be the best one for Creme Eggâ€.
1076418;1427521567;pete_dushenski;Already, this egg announcement is threatening the stability of the UK government. What havoc will this monster wreak next?
1076419;1427521568;pete_dushenski;Are we really going to swallow this bad egg, America? For that is what Cadbury has wrought. A bad egg. And today will for ever be known as a bad day.
1076420;1427521579;pete_dushenski;^mercy.
1076421;1427521630;pete_dushenski;if a chocolate egg is unsettling the balance, by golly bitcoin barely needs to sneeze in the uk's general direction
1076422;1427521667;Chillum;worst day in confectionary history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Molasses_Disaster
1076423;1427521669;assbot;Boston Molasses Disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1fadC )
1076424;1427521669;pete_dushenski;this article has to be a troll.
1076425;1427521685;pete_dushenski;21 dead!
1076426;1427521689;pete_dushenski;oof.
1076427;1427521701;Chillum;but the egg thing is bad too
1076428;1427521773;pete_dushenski;in what way do you mean ?
1076429;1427521810;mircea_popescu; no amount of debiasing will create entropy from a patterned source << howdja figure that one ?
1076430;1427521839;Chillum;you can't create entropy with an algorithm
1076431;1427521846;mircea_popescu;this is not the same.
1076432;1427521853;mircea_popescu;you can debias with an algorithm.
1076433;1427521873;Chillum;we were talking about sound as a source of data
1076434;1427521887;mircea_popescu;sure. so what's wrong with a very banal von neuman ?
1076435;1427521925;Chillum;you lost me there
1076436;1427521966;pete_dushenski;"The Cadbury Creme Egg was a rare thing in this modern age. Its subtle blend of delicious chocolate and sweet, creamy/cremey yolk was a throwback to the days when chocolatiers took pride in their work." << right. the thing of which 500 mn are made per year, 2/3 of which are consumed in the uk (no wonder they have rotten teeth), is "boutique"
1076437;1427521974;mircea_popescu;there's this algorithm which consists of : flip biased coin twice. if flips agree, one thing. iof they disagree, another thing.
1076438;1427522007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00025547 = 16.3629 BTC [-]
1076439;1427522009;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski gotta reposition!
1076440;1427522024;mircea_popescu;Chillum http://mathoverflow.net/questions/152107/proof-of-von-neumanns-debiasing-algorithm etc.
1076441;1427522026;assbot;pr.probability - Proof of Von Neumann's debiasing algorithm - MathOverflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nnh6xA )
1076442;1427522027;Chillum;but if the source is a lamp humming 60hz how does the algo filter the pattern from the entropy without diluting the entropy?
1076443;1427522072;Chillum;I know that algo, it removes bunching. It does not remove more complex patterns
1076444;1427522095;mircea_popescu;it doesn't "dilute" anything. if you have 1 bit of entropy per byte, it puts out one byte every eightish bytes.
1076445;1427522101;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sounds like 'repositioning' the creme egg in the uk is akin to 'repositioning' baby george's nose from his face to his ass.
1076446;1427522104;mircea_popescu;it removes bias, basically.
1076447;1427522133;Chillum;bias is only one type of pattern though
1076448;1427522141;Chillum;there is also periodicity
1076449;1427522142;mircea_popescu;in the case of your lamp, it basically extracts phase transition errors
1076450;1427522149;mircea_popescu;expect ~1/2 bit per phase change
1076451;1427522169;Chillum;my point was that debiasing will not remove periodic patterns
1076452;1427522176;Chillum;that are not next to each other
1076453;1427522187;mircea_popescu;...
1076454;1427522220;Chillum;perhaps I am not getting it
1076455;1427522230;mircea_popescu;well im certainly unsure what it is you're saying.
1076456;1427522312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0002547 = 9.8314 BTC [-] {2} 
1076457;1427522328;mircea_popescu;i mean, a biased source is a biased source. do you mean it's not actually biased, but the bits are correlated ?
1076458;1427522351;mircea_popescu;something like "always output 0 if the previous 7th output was 1" or whatever ?
1076459;1427522678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93050 @ 0.00025464 = 23.6943 BTC [-]
1076460;1427522739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102156 @ 0.00025566 = 26.1172 BTC [+] {2} 
1076461;1427522872;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075431 << canada idem. cra can be plenty annoying.
1076462;1427522872;assbot;Logged on 27-03-2015 23:32:15; asciilifeform:  who the fuck explains their income ?  in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets. << aha. sit on the stake until explained, yes.
1076463;1427522887;pete_dushenski;"The CRA has broad powers to investigate suspected tax cheats. In the process of conducting a civil audit to assess how much tax a person really owes, the tax agency can call up bank records, freeze accounts, compel the release of business, payroll and other records, and root through land registries and other government data." << sop
1076464;1427522910;mircea_popescu;it can do whatever the fuck it feels like, with its own data.
1076465;1427522932;mircea_popescu;it can't ask me "hey where you got your money from". unless im a politician and submitted some sort of "this is what my fortune is" statement.
1076466;1427522959;pete_dushenski;it can't ask "what was this line from this person from on your bank statement" ?
1076467;1427522975;pete_dushenski;i was under the impression that every line had to be explained.
1076468;1427523000;mircea_popescu;that's income.
1076469;1427523036;pete_dushenski;a yes, twas my focus
1076470;1427523064;pete_dushenski;you're saying they can't ask "from whence ferrari?"
1076471;1427523064;mircea_popescu;it's not a question of "where it's from", but "why have you not reported it". which ideally you have reported.
1076472;1427523098;pete_dushenski;agreed
1076473;1427523120;mircea_popescu;"how come you have something" != "how come you told us earlier this income is extempt when it clearly isn't"
1076474;1427523167;pete_dushenski;also agreed
1076475;1427523246;pete_dushenski;so income has to be explained, possessions not.
1076476;1427523272;pete_dushenski;got it
1076477;1427523278;mircea_popescu;you come riding at the border in a flying submarine
1076478;1427523286;mircea_popescu;"do you have title for it ?" "here it is"
1076479;1427523291;mircea_popescu;"how come you got it ?" "fuck you."
1076480;1427523320;pete_dushenski;"your mom gave it to me for my birthday"
1076481;1427523337;mircea_popescu;"but our records don't show us selliung you one"
1076482;1427523341;mircea_popescu;"that might be because you suck."
1076483;1427523355;trinque;"looks like a cocaine running air submarine to me"
1076484;1427523365;pete_dushenski;"keep better records, derp"
1076485;1427523457;mircea_popescu;trinque kinda why sane people don't travel into rogue states without an army.
1076486;1427523471;trinque;mhm
1076487;1427523539;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: trilema.com gives me this: http://imgur.com/0KA8yFc
1076488;1427523540;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1NnjULf )
1076489;1427523540;trinque;in my lifetime the perception that rule of law is either real or honest seems to have been fading
1076490;1427523546;pete_dushenski;but www.trilema.com works just fine.
1076491;1427523560;trinque;dunno that there ever was a time where rule of law did matter here; I'm neither old enough nor educated enough to say
1076492;1427523573;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski hm i see it ?
1076493;1427523603;mircea_popescu;you must have some weird dns issue ? what's the perceived ip ?
1076494;1427523606;trinque;working here
1076495;1427523652;mircea_popescu;who the fuck hijacks blog dns's ? and also... www just goes to plain domain.
1076496;1427523756;trinque;mircea_popescu: it's the https
1076497;1427523775;pete_dushenski;i see 23.235.235.243
1076498;1427523803;pete_dushenski;^using random look up tool
1076499;1427523813;mircea_popescu;that's right. but yeah, no https svp
1076500;1427523878;pete_dushenski;aha
1076501;1427523894;pete_dushenski;weird that the browser defaulted to https
1076502;1427523906;pete_dushenski;because i definitely never specified it
1076503;1427523909;trinque;pete_dushenski: got the "ssl everywhere" extension?
1076504;1427523945;pete_dushenski;just flashblock, noscript, adblock
1076505;1427523952;*;trinque shrugs
1076506;1427523956;trinque;ass gremlins
1076507;1427523968;pete_dushenski;unless one of those bakes in ssl everyfuckingwhere
1076508;1427523984;pete_dushenski;ya, let's chalk it up to ass grems and call it a day
1076509;1427524447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31882 @ 0.0002682 = 8.5508 BTC [+] {2} 
1076510;1427524508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54818 @ 0.00027047 = 14.8266 BTC [+]
1076511;1427525489;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/mar/12/what-a-masculinity-conference-taught-me-about-the-state-of-men
1076512;1427525490;assbot;What a masculinity conference taught me about the state of men | Life and style | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGm4om )
1076513;1427525549;pete_dushenski;is there nothing unworthy of having a conference about ?
1076514;1427525609;pete_dushenski;mebbe "bitcoind pogo afficionados" is near the threshold for obscurity
1076515;1427525829;mircea_popescu;lol
1076516;1427525839;mircea_popescu;masculinity conferences ahahaha.
1076517;1427526338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34158 @ 0.00026676 = 9.112 BTC [-]
1076518;1427526887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00026699 = 3.2439 BTC [+] {2} 
1076519;1427527023;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Underwear_rule << ahahaha. fucking retards.
1076520;1427527024;assbot;Wikipedia:Underwear rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGoiUS )
1076521;1427527034;mircea_popescu;they're not NAKED. they're in their jimbo blessed underwear.
1076522;1427527074;mircea_popescu;such a sad epitome of mediocrity, that thing.
1076523;1427528046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80950 @ 0.00027047 = 21.8945 BTC [+]
1076524;1427528595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29081 @ 0.00026344 = 7.6611 BTC [-] {2} 
1076525;1427529937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00026717 = 17.4996 BTC [+]
1076526;1427530547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72160 @ 0.00026418 = 19.0632 BTC [-] {2} 
1076527;1427531279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63810 @ 0.00025852 = 16.4962 BTC [-]
1076528;1427532560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81600 @ 0.00025852 = 21.0952 BTC [-]
1076529;1427533902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122800 @ 0.00025852 = 31.7463 BTC [-] {2} 
1076530;1427535183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4030 @ 0.00025852 = 1.0418 BTC [-]
1076531;1427535506;mats;http://nytimes.com/2015/03/28/technology/ellen-pao-kleiner-perkins-case-decision.html
1076532;1427535509;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19rN6Dl )
1076533;1427535549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00026248 = 7.5332 BTC [+]
1076534;1427537074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30744 @ 0.00027081 = 8.3258 BTC [+] {3} 
1076535;1427537806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37234 @ 0.00026856 = 9.9996 BTC [-] {2} 
1076536;1427539514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189470 @ 0.00026209 = 49.6582 BTC [-] {2} 
1076537;1427539697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00025439 = 5.1005 BTC [-] {2} 
1076538;1427540673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44865 @ 0.00025894 = 11.6173 BTC [+]
1076539;1427540978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152335 @ 0.00025302 = 38.5438 BTC [-] {4} 
1076540;1427541039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72365 @ 0.00025006 = 18.0956 BTC [-] {2} 
1076541;1427542198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35896 @ 0.00026181 = 9.3979 BTC [+] {2} 
1076542;1427542381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190833 @ 0.00025329 = 48.3361 BTC [-] {3} 
1076543;1427542503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86423 @ 0.00025418 = 21.967 BTC [+]
1076544;1427542551;nubbins`;<+pete_dushenski> No longer shall the egg shell be made from delicious Cadbury Dairy Milk chocolate. It will instead be made from disgusting, foul, vomit-inducing “standard cocoa mix chocolateâ€. <<< you think that's bad? get this: in the usa, cadbury chocolate is manufactured by /hershey's/. and they don't even get the milk from jersey cows.
1076545;1427542930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36426 @ 0.00024933 = 9.0821 BTC [-] {2} 
1076546;1427543185;funkenstein_;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdZJFfQt8E  <--  how to apologize gracefully
1076547;1427543186;assbot;ON A PERSONAL NOTE - Deek Jackson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EfJMJh )
1076548;1427543659;nubbins`;"that's such an /american/ thing, hey? 'mentoring'? movin' to a big city and getting yourself a mentor or five?"
1076549;1427543662;nubbins`;lel, my wife
1076550;1427543723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35777 @ 0.00025418 = 9.0938 BTC [+]
1076551;1427543758;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ki71/please_return_the_red_notebook/
1076552;1427543760;assbot;Please return the red notebook : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1EfLudD )
1076553;1427543769;nubbins`;"Hey guys I am down at the Texas Bitcoin Conference and someone took my red notebook. There was not a whole lot of valuable info in it but it was a gift. If you saw it tonight at marias taco xpress or know where it wound up please notify me. I thought this was outside bitcoiners' character but I am never surprised in this space"
1076554;1427543777;nubbins`;first comment: "Don't know if this is an actual notebook or a laptop" hahaha
1076555;1427545143;nubbins`;okay, sweet. i've got a 60GB SSD and a 64gb UHS-1 SD card on the way.
1076556;1427545161;nubbins`;curious to see how much the SD chokes
1076557;1427545699;nubbins`;and finally found a good price for purple pogos, two of them on the way
1076558;1427545980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33868 @ 0.00026964 = 9.1322 BTC [+]
1076559;1427546956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00026988 = 13.9798 BTC [+]
1076560;1427547502;funkenstein_;nubbins what ever happened to that wood carving with your name on it?
1076561;1427547505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34432 @ 0.00026964 = 9.2842 BTC [-]
1076562;1427547913;nubbins`;funkenstein_ the guy wouldn't sell it to me. total fraud.
1076563;1427547947;funkenstein_;lol, that sucks.  well at least you got some pictures :)
1076564;1427547988;nubbins`;and an hour-long video
1076565;1427548008;nubbins`;o hey i took everyone's advice and started a blog
1076566;1427548015;nubbins`;BUT NONE OF YOU WILL FIND IT INTERESTING AHAHAHAHAHAH
1076567;1427548080;funkenstein_;lol i'm with you on that one
1076568;1427548123;nubbins`;but just in case: http://madcaptomfoolery.ca
1076569;1427548124;assbot;madcap tomfoolery | we write, you read. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymqkmS )
1076570;1427548359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00026465 = 15.1909 BTC [-]
1076571;1427548683;nubbins`;http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-worries-legalized-weed-in-dc-will-cut-into-h,38210/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:3:Default
1076572;1427548684;assbot;    Biden Worries Legalized Weed In D.C. Will Cut Into His Business | The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymrnTY )
1076573;1427548696;nubbins`;"Claiming that his operation would be “completely dicked over†by an influx of product, Vice President Joe Biden reportedly became increasingly worried this week that the recent legalization of marijuana in Washington, D.C. could seriously cut into his business."
1076574;1427548725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17336 @ 0.00026701 = 4.6289 BTC [+] {2} 
1076575;1427548969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110482 @ 0.000272 = 30.0511 BTC [+] {2} 
1076576;1427549030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22875 @ 0.00027256 = 6.2348 BTC [+] {2} 
1076577;1427549051;nubbins`;nubbins`:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/bianca-s-gift-cards-no-longer-accepted-at-bistro-sofia-and-black-sea-1.3011771 <<< reports are that employees are owed a month's wages too :o
1076578;1427549335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44750 @ 0.00026374 = 11.8024 BTC [-] {2} 
1076579;1427549606;nubbins`;http://shop.lululemon.com/products/clothes-accessories/mens-pants-to-and-from/ABC-Pant-Regular
1076580;1427549608;assbot;abc pant (regular) | men's pants | lululemon athletica ... ( http://bit.ly/1xIDIae )
1076581;1427549613;nubbins`;ABC (anti-ball crushing) engineering gives you and the family jewels room to breathe
1076582;1427549627;chetty;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/27/fabricated-peer-reviews-prompt-scientific-journal-to-retract-43-papers-systematic-scheme-may-affect-other-journals/?tid=pm_national_pop
1076583;1427549628;assbot;Major publisher retracts 43 scientific papers amid wider fake peer-review scandal - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1xIDOig )
1076584;1427550006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163050 @ 0.00025707 = 41.9153 BTC [-] {4} 
1076585;1427550075;nubbins`;a peer review and citation ring
1076586;1427550083;nubbins`;like a web ring, but funner and in meatspace
1076587;1427550103;nubbins`;and with the potential to set back scientific research :S
1076588;1427550666;chetty; and with the potential to set back scientific research :S// is that even possible?
1076589;1427550738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61960 @ 0.00026226 = 16.2496 BTC [+]
1076590;1427550739;nubbins`;i'm beginning to think not
1076591;1427551714;nubbins`;http://cointelegraph.com/news/113811/bitcoin-embassy-amsterdam-founder-booted-from-organization-starts-second-embassy
1076592;1427551716;assbot;Bitcoin Embassy Amsterdam Founder Booted From Organization, Starts Second Embassy ... ( http://bit.ly/19sugvK )
1076593;1427551725;nubbins`;mega-lel @ lead-in photo
1076594;1427551811;Chillum;haha "screw you guys, I am going to start my own embassy with blackjack and hookers!"
1076595;1427551837;Chillum;"in fact, forget about the embassy!"
1076596;1427551838;PeterL;When does #b-a start our own emabassies?
1076597;1427551855;Chillum;well, they declared a tax so an embassy must be around the corner
1076598;1427551921;chetty;ppfft on embassy, let them come here to the capital
1076599;1427551950;PeterL;hardware b-a is our capital now?
1076600;1427551953;Chillum;capital of bitcoin? Like "B"?
1076601;1427552080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00027261 = 7.4968 BTC [+]
1076602;1427552085;chetty;oops capitol ;P -- on theother hand I like the B idea better
1076603;1427552180;Chillum;never seen that spelling before
1076604;1427552194;Chillum;I have been spelling that wrong my what life
1076605;1427552201;Chillum;damn teachers
1076606;1427552289;chetty;thats edumacation these days
1076607;1427552545;PeterL;'capitol' is specifically the building where the legislature meets, 'capital' is the city
1076608;1427552636;Chillum;I did not know that
1076609;1427552971;nubbins`;soooooo, the pogoplug mobile (non-sata) has solder pads for attaching a SATA connector
1076610;1427553031;nubbins`;and: the heat sink is on the bottom of the board, so you can take off the lid without repercussion
1076611;1427553119;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/qgwY3YO
1076612;1427553119;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/19sy8x0 )
1076613;1427553136;nubbins`;you can see it just south of the middle there
1076614;1427553144;nubbins`;asciilifeform danielpbarron etc ^
1076615;1427553303;Chillum;nice
1076616;1427553314;Chillum;what does it do?
1076617;1427553379;felipelalli;Hi Chillum!
1076618;1427553415;Chillum;Hello
1076619;1427553461;nubbins`;Chillum eventually it'll be running bitcoind
1076620;1427553500;Chillum;Nice. I tried that on a Pi 1 but it chocked
1076621;1427553502;nubbins`;this particular one got its NAND rewritten in a not-fun way, so i'm gonna be adding a serial port
1076622;1427553513;Chillum;Trying now on a Pi 2 and it is going well( at 250,000 block)
1076623;1427553516;nubbins`;Chillum prolly 'cause you're using the latest phoundation bloatware
1076624;1427553585;nubbins`;if you've a mind to try again on your pi1 (and have a cross-compile toolchain set up), i'd suggest http://thebitcoin.foundation/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE.tar.gz
1076625;1427553586;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19szBmZ )
1076626;1427553671;nubbins`;running it on my macbook now, ~ block 180k
1076627;1427553702;Chillum;There is so little information on that site about what the changes actually are or how they have been audited. It seems to have been made in November. It would be a bit like running a custom code version of PGP
1076628;1427553715;Chillum;the security implications are significant
1076629;1427553729;Chillum;is there a changelog?
1076630;1427553734;nubbins`;yes
1076631;1427553739;nubbins`;it's based on the historical 0.5.3
1076632;1427553752;nubbins`;with a bunch of plain unix patches applied
1076633;1427553798;nubbins`;there's a RELEASE NOTES included that lists the patches applied
1076634;1427553803;Chillum;I will keep an eye on the project
1076635;1427553818;nubbins`;but if you're so inclined, you could actually just grab legacy 0.5.3 from your favourite source, and apply the patches listed on the site
1076636;1427553831;nubbins`;they're all small enough that you can fit each one inside your head enough to understand it
1076637;1427553837;Chillum;Glad it is still being worked on. But frankly I would like to see a complete re-write of the client
1076638;1427553841;nubbins`;yeah
1076639;1427553846;nubbins`;well, that's an eventual goal
1076640;1427553855;nubbins`;right now people are just ripping the turds out
1076641;1427553858;Chillum;just like the bittorrent reference client sucked(but did what it needed too, reference the protocol) so does bitcoind
1076642;1427553859;nubbins`;QT support, upnp, etc
1076643;1427553863;felipelalli;I want to buy 1 BTC in Monero. Here is a good place to ask?
1076644;1427553897;Chillum;If anything QT should have nothing to do with bitcoin other than being in a client that accesses the daemon
1076645;1427553902;nubbins`;Chillum http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=R8c8QBKd
1076646;1427553903;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19sAA6x )
1076647;1427553904;Chillum;a thin frontend
1076648;1427553933;Chillum;and the API needs to spit out parsed block data on demand so that 3rd party apps can work with the data
1076649;1427553945;nubbins`;yeah
1076650;1427553955;nubbins`;anyway, check out that pastebin, that's the release notes for 0.5.3.1
1076651;1427553963;nubbins`;all the patches are written by people in here, and pgp-signed
1076652;1427553977;Chillum;"Removes OpenSSL Handshake for RPC commands" Isn't that important?
1076653;1427553999;Chillum;can't I just MITM the connection without that?
1076654;1427554032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.00027261 = 18.3194 BTC [+]
1076655;1427554073;nubbins`;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20141112/bitcoin-asciilifeform_ea4c4745bc4b10fc19bf0a2be7d0797dfd948a33.2-https_snipsnip.patch
1076656;1427554073;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19sB24G )
1076657;1427554076;nubbins`;there's the patch, you tell me 8)
1076658;1427554175;Chillum;I am sure the change makes it run faster which is great for embedded devices that don't need to worry _too_ much about malware on the machine
1076659;1427554194;nubbins`;the idea here is to get a bare-bones reference implementation
1076660;1427554200;nubbins`;it might come with some sharp corners
1076661;1427554203;Chillum;but I am making a security app for a client. Security is a priority over speed.
1076662;1427554211;Chillum;May try that out for my own purposes
1076663;1427554224;nubbins`;asciilifeform would be the one to question about the specifics of it 8)
1076664;1427554226;Chillum;I just need to make a $100 node
1076665;1427554259;Chillum;I can understand it. It is removing a security layer, presumably for speed
1076666;1427554288;Chillum;though all of that can be disabled in config
1076667;1427554300;nubbins`;sure
1076668;1427554323;Chillum;better hope nobody packet sniffs your API access.
1076669;1427554329;nubbins`;this whole thing started with asciilifeform wishing he had bitcoin source code in dead-tree form
1076670;1427554336;Chillum;if it is all internal it should be fine
1076671;1427554362;Chillum;my box needs to expose its API though
1076672;1427554402;Chillum;A great idea for a light node though, if the security situation permits it
1076673;1427554438;Chillum;The page could use more information about the security implications and the expected use case though. Someone might get told it is the latest and greatest and not realize security has been bypassed
1076674;1427554476;Chillum;really SSL is not using that much horse power compared to the other stuff the client does
1076675;1427554578;felipelalli;Why assbot isn't in #bitcoin-otc channel?
1076676;1427554594;Chillum;In my opinion SSL is not a turd to be ripped out
1076677;1427554611;nubbins`;felipelalli why otcbot isn't in #bitcoin-assets channel?
1076678;1427554625;felipelalli;gribble is here.
1076679;1427554629;PeterL;what would assbot do in -otc?
1076680;1427554638;Chillum;sell his ass
1076681;1427554660;felipelalli;I thought assbot also worked as a gribble backup?
1076682;1427554677;Chillum;the bandwidth that goes through the API is so small that the SSL module would be using a negligible amount of resources
1076683;1427554682;PeterL;assbot is a gribble replacement
1076684;1427554833;felipelalli;PeterL: replacement, not backup? hmmm, but if it is a replacement, why it isn't in #bitcoin-otc so?
1076685;1427554834;nubbins`;ah, found it.
1076686;1427554837;nubbins`;Chillum http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea
1076687;1427554838;assbot;A dangerous idea - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/19sDtnZ )
1076688;1427554859;PeterL;well, not really replacement, just not a backup
1076689;1427554884;PeterL;they make a more resilient system with two nodes rather than one
1076690;1427554892;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#864597 << my sides
1076691;1427554892;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2014 17:48:30; mircea_popescu: how's slotful lust ?
1076692;1427554924;nubbins`;felipelalli here's a question. you bake a cake. why didn't you bake your neighbour one?
1076693;1427554947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154701 @ 0.00027278 = 42.1993 BTC [+] {2} 
1076694;1427554961;felipelalli;lol
1076695;1427554976;felipelalli;I'm sorry.
1076696;1427555033;nubbins`;:D
1076697;1427555046;nubbins`;if -otc wants a new bot, someone there can set one up
1076698;1427555069;nubbins`;i doubt kakobrekla wants to do it, since he doesn't idle in -otc :D
1076699;1427555199;felipelalli;I was asking because gribble is kind of "universal", it is in everywhere, including here, and also in #bitcoin-bra --- I thought assbot was a kind of universal WoT like gribble.
1076700;1427555208;nubbins`;nah
1076701;1427555213;nubbins`;assbot = assets bot
1076702;1427555219;nubbins`;!t m s.mg
1076703;1427555219;assbot;[MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.00009 / 0.00009033 / 0.000091 (15000 shares, 1.36 BTC)
1076704;1427555228;Chillum;ahhh, did not get the name
1076705;1427555234;nubbins`;neither did my wife 8)
1076706;1427555256;Chillum;no honey, I swear the assbot is for strictly business purposes!
1076707;1427555260;nubbins`;HEH
1076708;1427555277;nubbins`;every time she'd open my laptop, 5 seconds later an onjoin alert from assbot pops up on screen
1076709;1427555284;nubbins`;ater some weeks: "...what's assbot?"
1076710;1427555288;nubbins`;*after
1076711;1427555314;PeterL;#b-a is special, we get a special bot
1076712;1427555351;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/O2GQeHh.jpg
1076713;1427555352;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19sFpwR )
1076714;1427555424;thestringpuller;I'm thinking of making a bot to determine uptime of other bots ;)
1076715;1427555443;Chillum;and I will make one to monitor the uptime of yours
1076716;1427555454;mod6;!t m s.mpoe
1076717;1427555454;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024754 / 0.00026065 / 0.00027314 (5037215 shares, 1,312.97 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024169 / 0.00028483 (19175310 shares, 4,634.62 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00032777 / 0.0004493 (91445718 shares, 29,973.86 BTC)
1076718;1427555466;PeterL;thestringpuller: are you picking on scoopbot? ;)
1076719;1427555573;danielpbarron;height=302648 vs height=217961
1076720;1427555618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00027101 = 6.8837 BTC [-]
1076721;1427555679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103204 @ 0.00027313 = 28.1881 BTC [+] {4} 
1076722;1427556106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80660 @ 0.00027438 = 22.1315 BTC [+] {2} 
1076723;1427556472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11075 @ 0.00027449 = 3.04 BTC [+]
1076724;1427556583;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/future-shop-stores-closed-across-canada-some-to-become-best-buy-1.3013534
1076725;1427556585;assbot;Future Shop stores closed across Canada, some to become Best Buy - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/19sJQri )
1076726;1427556600;nubbins`;i always wondered why there was a Future Shop and a Best Buy less than a block away from each other
1076727;1427556735;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/kC4xLV2
1076728;1427556735;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg6FAF )
1076729;1427556741;nubbins`;^ quebec city, march 26 2015
1076730;1427557011;nubbins`;lel, protestors have started doxxing the riot police
1076731;1427557119;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpddwSIIYP8
1076732;1427557119;assbot;Canada cops unleash tear gas at close range on anti-austerity protesters in Quebec - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/19sLxVT )
1076733;1427557121;nubbins`;o, canada!
1076734;1427557346;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEUlaDdNk5g << me discovering pogues
1076735;1427557347;assbot;Tommy's Blue Valentine - Pogues' Cait O'Riordan on lead vocals - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/19sMnBQ )
1076736;1427557631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16899 @ 0.00027449 = 4.6386 BTC [+]
1076737;1427557829;Chillum;nubbins`: they use pepper spray around here
1076738;1427557834;mircea_popescu;-NickServ- m_p!~matter_pa@49.207.189.76 failed to login to mircea_popescu.  There has been 1 failed login attempt since your last successful login. << check it out ?!
1076739;1427558241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00026917 = 4.051 BTC [-] {2} 
1076740;1427558362;mod6;huh
1076741;1427558375;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2015_March_20#Cogobuy << wikilulz of the day. guy makes article about bn dollar chinese company, is told "This is an encyclopedia .... Not a website advertisement service, There are a million and one ways to advertise your company and this place certainly isn't one of them"
1076742;1427558391;mircea_popescu;apparently wikipedia is keenly aware it exists primarily as an advertising source. just... not for the fucking chinese aaaite ?
1076743;1427558431;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076676 << see teh logs
1076744;1427558431;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 14:56:34; Chillum: In my opinion SSL is not a turd to be ripped out
1076745;1427558433;Chillum;how can we not be aware?
1076746;1427558437;pete_dushenski;!s ssl
1076747;1427558438;assbot;240 results for 'ssl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ssl
1076748;1427558484;pete_dushenski;ssl provides much security theatre and little apparent security
1076749;1427558512;Chillum;okay
1076750;1427558529;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski seems to be the consensus.
1076751;1427558530;Chillum;I still think my clients would prefer their api keys encrypted
1076752;1427558555;pete_dushenski;ah yes, "what the customer has come to expect"
1076753;1427558562;mircea_popescu;Chillum i suspek you have to do a bunch of log reading to acclimate to the groupthink.
1076754;1427558587;Chillum;I never was very good at group think
1076755;1427558598;Chillum;my own damn opinions keep getting in the way
1076756;1427558613;pete_dushenski;it's a strong brew here ;)
1076757;1427558615;asciilifeform;'When he was returned to Springfield four years later, after slashing his wrists and writing “American Gulag” in blood on his bedsheets, the doctor wrote, “Considerations that [Powers] has some form of psychosis, thought disorder or mental illness are unfounded.”' << mega-l0l
1076758;1427558619;mircea_popescu;yes, that's the problem there : in order to have your own oppinions you need to study the groupthink.
1076759;1427558623;asciilifeform;( http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/29/magazine/inside-americas-toughest-federal-prison.html?from=promo&_r=0 )
1076760;1427558626;assbot;Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1D09pMR )
1076761;1427558629;Chillum;not sure that I do
1076762;1427558630;mircea_popescu;otherwise, you're just passing (to yourself, at least) groupthink as oppinions.
1076763;1427558654;Chillum;most ssl vulnerabilities come from poor cert checking
1076764;1427558665;mircea_popescu;"most stds come from whores"
1076765;1427558676;Chillum;exactly, not a reason to stop fucking
1076766;1427558680;asciilifeform;Chillum: why do you not consider the existence of the master keys a vulnerability ?
1076767;1427558698;mircea_popescu;ssl != fucking in this simile
1076768;1427558755;Chillum;it is for perfect forward secrecy isn't it?
1076769;1427558807;Chillum;how is using plaintext instead of SSL better?
1076770;1427558811;Chillum;security is about layers
1076771;1427558825;mircea_popescu;a turdstack is not a better pancake "because layers".
1076772;1427558845;asciilifeform;Chillum: you may live on a planet where plaintext is the only alternative to ssl, but here on the third rock from sol there are other cryptosystems
1076773;1427558853;mircea_popescu;in most practical scenarios, the only enemy any user will ever encounter is the usg.
1076774;1427558860;mircea_popescu;security solutions that avoid this point are exercises in disinfo.
1076775;1427558884;Chillum;In most practical scenarios the enemy is a person trying to steal bitcoins
1076776;1427558896;mircea_popescu;not a person, but the government of the united states
1076777;1427558901;mircea_popescu;to date, the most successful bitcoin thief
1076778;1427558908;asciilifeform;^
1076779;1427558909;mircea_popescu;(if we credit its usms fake auction sums)
1076780;1427558991;mircea_popescu;now, this entire "yeah the usg is your main enemy but whatever, you don't really want to protect your fucking tweets from them anyway" worked to propose turdstack = pancake.
1076781;1427559001;Chillum;I have worked in computer security for 15 years. While many implementations of SSL host checking are flawed and the hierarchial trust model is a joke the underlying encryption is solid until some learns to find prime factors of large numbers easily.
1076782;1427559013;mircea_popescu;with the advent of bitcoins, things have changed. a stolen bitcoin is a stolen bitcoin no matter how the theft was perpetuated, or under what color of law.
1076783;1427559013;asciilifeform;Chillum: i am the one who cut the ssl idiocy from therealbitcoin's bitcoind. and i did it for reasons which had nothing to do with memory footprint (we did not have an embedded device project yet)
1076784;1427559019;Chillum;I saw the diff
1076785;1427559042;mircea_popescu;Chillum but they do in fact ALL accept verisign master keys.
1076786;1427559043;asciilifeform;Chillum: if you worked in security, did you sleep through 'heartbleed' ?
1076787;1427559047;Chillum;I think it should come with a big "NO SSL" warning next to the download so people are not caught unaware
1076788;1427559057;mats;lol
1076789;1427559061;Chillum;I am aware of heartbleed, an implementation failure
1076790;1427559070;mircea_popescu;wait.what ?!
1076791;1427559073;Chillum;plaintext also has a history of failure
1076792;1427559075;asciilifeform;Chillum: we have a 'read the fucking source before you build and run it' warning, does that count ?
1076793;1427559082;Chillum;I am glad I did
1076794;1427559089;Chillum;read the patches before running it
1076795;1427559092;mircea_popescu;"an implementation failure" ? the time we took out usg's most valuable asset and publicly shot it in the head was "an implementation failure" "?
1076796;1427559097;mircea_popescu;what was tikrit then ?
1076797;1427559106;mats;have you read the openssl code Chillum?
1076798;1427559107;funkenstein_;chillum its not the encryption thats broken its the authentication
1076799;1427559144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, is the "valued crypto" bit starting to fuzz over there ?
1076800;1427559151;asciilifeform;Chillum: did you also sleep through, e.g., 'stuxnet' having a perfectly legal ssl cert ?
1076801;1427559186;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: valued ?
1076802;1427559203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform didn't you use to bemoan the fact that "no valued crypto stuff is ever leaked" ?
1076803;1427559223;Chillum;so because ssl has had problems it is better to use plain text?
1076804;1427559224;mircea_popescu;maybe it just doesn't look like what you expect is iall.
1076805;1427559229;Chillum;security is layers, that is how the industry works
1076806;1427559234;mats;lol
1076807;1427559247;mircea_popescu;Chillum "i like turd pancakes, it's my groupthink"
1076808;1427559248;mircea_popescu;srsly...
1076809;1427559253;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 0day isn't a cryptodirectorat affair
1076810;1427559254;Chillum;SSL will stop all but the most advanced of attackers
1076811;1427559255;mats;use other crypto
1076812;1427559262;Chillum;okay sure, turd pancakes
1076813;1427559263;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 0days live in the 0day directorat.
1076814;1427559265;Chillum;love em,
1076815;1427559267;Chillum;nom nom nom
1076816;1427559276;mircea_popescu;"ssl will stop all but the actual attacks you will encounter"
1076817;1427559294;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you wrote the meta-nsa micromanagement three ring binder too ?
1076818;1427559297;Chillum;actual encounters = some script kiddie running ettercap to intercept your traffic
1076819;1427559298;funkenstein_;Chillum, go listen to moxie marlinspike's talks on the topic
1076820;1427559318;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no but did read the table of directorates circa 2003 (see log ~6mo ago)
1076821;1427559321;Chillum;not all attackers are people in dark server rooms with ciggerette smoking g men behind them
1076822;1427559325;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ incidentally, about 5x better than sending someone to go listen to something is transcribing the something so they can read it.
1076823;1427559338;funkenstein_;good point
1076824;1427559341;mircea_popescu;Chillum just all the ones you should practically care about.
1076825;1427559355;mircea_popescu;get your security to where usg fails, you'll do fine.
1076826;1427559360;asciilifeform;^
1076827;1427559365;funkenstein_;nokia was caught capturing all ssl traffic through their networks at one point
1076828;1427559366;mircea_popescu;get it to any other standard, you'll do as bad as all the schmucks on windows
1076829;1427559388;Chillum;It is clear I have stumbled into a religious debate. I have no more interest in changing your mind about SSL than I do with you changing my mind. I will run SSL on my bitcoind API if you don't mind.
1076830;1427559392;funkenstein_;sslsniff is a tool you can use to capture ssl data
1076831;1427559396;funkenstein_;if you are a script kiddie
1076832;1427559401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84000 @ 0.00027191 = 22.8404 BTC [+]
1076833;1427559408;asciilifeform;Chillum: you can run feathercoin on tops-10 for all we care
1076834;1427559411;mircea_popescu;Chillum definitely can run whatever the heck you please.
1076835;1427559433;mircea_popescu;but a debate doesn't become religious by declaratory relief from having to think about it.
1076836;1427559436;Chillum;I certainly did not mean to offend anyone by saying SSL is not a turd, if this is a controversial statement I will keep it to myself
1076837;1427559437;funkenstein_;but when and why would bitcoind use ssl?
1076838;1427559452;asciilifeform;Chillum: but if you are interested in actually learning something, try to understand how we reached this particular conclusion
1076839;1427559457;mircea_popescu;offending people is required to participate here i thought.
1076840;1427559460;funkenstein_;all of bitcoin communications are plaintext and public right?
1076841;1427559479;Chillum;asciilifeform: nobody is disputing that SSL has issues, but plaintext is not a better alternative
1076842;1427559492;asciilifeform;let's take it in pieces. plaintext of what ?
1076843;1427559506;mircea_popescu;Chillum have you seen the numerous cases where we pass back and forth "plaintext" over pastebin here ?
1076844;1427559512;mircea_popescu;it starts generally with five dashes.
1076845;1427559520;Chillum;I am going to get some fresh air
1076846;1427559525;funkenstein_;all TXs, block DL requests, block solution reports, node announcements etc.
1076847;1427559541;funkenstein_;are plaintext
1076848;1427559551;mircea_popescu;well.. "plaintext"
1076849;1427559583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00027449 = 10.7875 BTC [+]
1076850;1427559600;Chillum;API
1076851;1427559609;Chillum;along with it api keys
1076852;1427559638;mircea_popescu;i don't think that's a supported usecase as of yet ? mebbe i'm behind here.
1076853;1427559643;asciilifeform;api of what ?
1076854;1427559646;asciilifeform;bitcoind ?
1076855;1427559655;ben_vulpes;0.5.3.1?
1076856;1427559658;ben_vulpes;has use cases?
1076857;1427559661;asciilifeform;Chillum: were you speaking of a 'hotwallet' ?
1076858;1427559682;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes troll.
1076859;1427559716;ben_vulpes; [14:55] In my opinion SSL is not a turd to be ripped out << dude this is a something like 4 month long project going on here
1076860;1427559717;Chillum;yes I am building a full node on a raspberry pi 2 to be used as a hot wallet
1076861;1427559732;ben_vulpes;there is more context in this channel than dreamt of in all of reddit, Chillum
1076862;1427559771;ben_vulpes;maybe instead of "herp derp i pinions bros" you might start by asking "why did you rip TLS out with such anger and speed?"
1076863;1427559782;Chillum;if you were not using a wallet then I agree SSL is pointless
1076864;1427559792;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he's not from reddit, he's from wikipedia. pls to not insult teh muggles with misidentification.
1076865;1427559794;asciilifeform;Chillum: if you are presently living in a one-bit universe where the only two choices for hotwallet control are ssl and plaintext - first you have to consider moving out of that universe and into a neighbouring one, where there are other choices
1076866;1427559817;Chillum;I could ssh tunnel
1076867;1427559823;ben_vulpes;Chillum: programmatic BTC remittance?
1076868;1427559825;funkenstein_;i thought ssl was for  websites
1076869;1427559840;Chillum;but ssh uses... ssl
1076870;1427559842;asciilifeform;Chillum: even this - improvement. because you control the keys.
1076871;1427559843;chetty;ssl is for fools
1076872;1427559844;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ ssl is for any application where security theatre is +ev and security itself doesn't matter.
1076873;1427559855;funkenstein_;sslol
1076874;1427559857;mircea_popescu;blogs, guestbooks, whatevs.
1076875;1427559861;Chillum;you can control the keys in ssl. You don't have to use existing authority chains you can make your own
1076876;1427559875;Chillum;in fact trusting verisign or something to authenticate keys is the root of most problems
1076877;1427559884;mircea_popescu;Chillum and also make your own implementation, to not depend on "implementation errors" ?
1076878;1427559884;funkenstein_;for example if i am trying to publish a transaction to the world with my wallet, why would i encrypt it before sending?
1076879;1427559890;asciilifeform;Chillum: try to deploy a self-signed thing commercially and be buried in whines from idiots whose browsers flash red.
1076880;1427559890;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/17/proof-that-mycelium-knows-how-to-make-a-better-rng-for-its-entropy-dongle-and-isnt/#comment-13873 << lol mr. mycelium comes back for 'correction'
1076881;1427559892;assbot;Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn’t. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0hill )
1076882;1427559892;mircea_popescu;in which case... why are you even using it ?
1076883;1427559905;Chillum;all tools have potential for implementation errors
1076884;1427559922;mircea_popescu;Chillum the problem is we know ssl to be intentionally misimplemented. as you say, on layers.
1076885;1427559928;Chillum;funkenstein_: you don't. Buy when you contact the API and provide your API keys you want that encyrpted
1076886;1427559945;funkenstein_;what wallet has api keys?
1076887;1427559947;Chillum;the cert system is for sure
1076888;1427559947;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski is that actually the guy ? who even made mycellium ?
1076889;1427559959;Chillum;funkenstein_: bitcoin JPSON-RPC
1076890;1427559963;Chillum;JSON
1076891;1427559973;funkenstein_;ah ok now we are getting somewhere
1076892;1427559974;mircea_popescu;oh rassah, i remember this.
1076893;1427559983;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ayup.
1076894;1427559983;Chillum;also when using the API we will be passing private keys
1076895;1427559989;Chillum;very sensitive information
1076896;1427559999;funkenstein_;sounds like a bad idea
1076897;1427560002;funkenstein_;why would you do that?
1076898;1427560014;Chillum;how would you import a key into a wallet if not with the API?
1076899;1427560022;funkenstein_;importprivkey
1076900;1427560023;Chillum;it is an automated system so no mouse clicks
1076901;1427560028;Chillum;that is an API command
1076902;1427560035;funkenstein_;it is not remote
1076903;1427560052;Chillum;sockets vs tcp, should be secure both ways
1076904;1427560066;mircea_popescu;Chillum generally, the idea being that running a wallet client and a bitcoin node on the same system (let alone in the same program) is beyond idiotic.
1076905;1427560068;funkenstein_;ok if you run a bitcoind on a remote machine..  ssh into it
1076906;1427560071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11766 @ 0.00027449 = 3.2296 BTC [+]
1076907;1427560073;funkenstein_;then you are using ssl
1076908;1427560077;mircea_popescu;that idiocy was easily excusable in 2009. meanwhile, we just don't do that.
1076909;1427560130;mircea_popescu;and whatever customers may "have come to expect", bitcoin is too valuable to cater to that in breach of security and safety. so, options that are by their nature insecure shouldn't be provided at all.
1076910;1427560137;mircea_popescu;whoever wants them can put them in, like you say above.
1076911;1427560176;ben_vulpes;Chillum: what precisely are you building?
1076912;1427560209;danielpbarron;fodder for a future qntra article
1076913;1427560234;Chillum;just a bitcoind node with a wallet and a firewall and an API
1076914;1427560244;mircea_popescu;all on one computer ?
1076915;1427560247;Chillum;if the built in API is really that insecure I suppose I can write an access layer
1076916;1427560260;ben_vulpes;dude
1076917;1427560262;mircea_popescu;single machine paradigm is flawed for this application.
1076918;1427560264;Chillum;what exactly does more than one computer get me?
1076919;1427560277;ben_vulpes;the thing calling into your wallet is also an attack point
1076920;1427560282;mircea_popescu;separation of red and black.
1076921;1427560294;mod6;plz go read 1+ year of logs + trilima
1076922;1427560302;mod6;*trilema
1076923;1427560304;mircea_popescu;in other news,
1076924;1427560306;mircea_popescu;Hi,
1076925;1427560306;mircea_popescu;Hope you are doing well. I am a client services manager here at AdMedia. I was wondering if there might be a possible partnership opportunity between our two companies. We have previously and recently ran campaigns for trilema.com via third party networks. We wanted to discuss the opportunity of working directly
1076926;1427560314;*;mircea_popescu is pretty fucking impressed with admedia atm.
1076927;1427560340;Chillum;So if I understand correctly SSL was removed because if I need SSL I am doing it wrong?
1076928;1427560344;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1076929;1427560353;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: because they can spell and write their own e-mails ?
1076930;1427560364;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski and read their own dbs and advanced shit like that!
1076931;1427560369;Chillum;May I suggest that you describe your best practices so that people running this SSL free code will know how to not do it wrong?
1076932;1427560378;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: holy cramoly!
1076933;1427560383;Chillum;I would love to read an essay describing the sort of infractructure you find safe
1076934;1427560386;mircea_popescu;Chillum http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076921 ?
1076935;1427560386;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 16:31:34; mod6: plz go read 1+ year of logs + trilima
1076936;1427560397;mircea_popescu;not that i've (and others) not said the same thingee.
1076937;1427560403;Chillum;I am interested in other ideas, it is just a bit hard to understand what your best practices are
1076938;1427560409;Chillum;I will read _some_ of the logs later
1076939;1427560415;mircea_popescu;cool.
1076940;1427560419;asciilifeform;Chillum:  http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide << good starting point
1076941;1427560420;assbot;How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/19ajNp3 )
1076942;1427560435;mircea_popescu;not like there's any rush. and generally, the stuff you're used to worrying about holds no sway here. so.. .jus relax an' enjoy.
1076943;1427560443;ben_vulpes;also
1076944;1427560449;ben_vulpes;0.5.3.1 is not for use in 'anger'.
1076945;1427560468;Chillum;avoiding the need for encryption on the API through sound security practices is one thing. Recommending something without encryption without describing those practices is a recipe for disaster.
1076946;1427560475;ben_vulpes;if you *want* to run it, and *can* read the provided documentation, do so.
1076947;1427560483;ben_vulpes;if you haven't, stop in here and expose your ignorance for all.
1076948;1427560498;mircea_popescu;Chillum yeah. like, you know, how the bitcoin wallets were plaintext for... i dunno, 3years or so.
1076949;1427560500;asciilifeform;Chillum: at present there is no chance of a 'civilian' stumbling upon 0.5.3.1 and putting it to use
1076950;1427560518;ben_vulpes;Chillum: some day i'd like this thing to not even have a json/rpc api.
1076951;1427560520;Chillum;It was recommended to me by two people here before I read the patches
1076952;1427560521;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this may or may not be true, upon contemplation.
1076953;1427560532;mircea_popescu;mod6 ben_vulpes you think some warnings should be brewed maybe ?
1076954;1427560536;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would be hilarious if someone found, built, then cried
1076955;1427560537;Chillum;air-gap is not an option for me, it needs to be automated
1076956;1427560544;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but i don't expect to see this
1076957;1427560552;ben_vulpes;me neither.
1076958;1427560553;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he said it just happened ?
1076959;1427560570;asciilifeform;nah he read the patches and upchucked
1076960;1427560575;mircea_popescu;he did.
1076961;1427560577;mircea_popescu;someone else ?
1076962;1427560578;Chillum;though it will use a cold-wallet reserve system to minimize exposure
1076963;1427560592;ben_vulpes;perhaps throw an error on boot if someone tries to use the tls flags.
1076964;1427560601;mircea_popescu;Chillum : better plan, sign your txn off the hot box, import them there through private connection.
1076965;1427560615;Chillum;again, needs to be automated
1076966;1427560620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00027545 = 5.4264 BTC [+]
1076967;1427560629;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes dunno how best implemented, but he raises a good point we're prone to neglect : as exposure increases, which it necessarily will,
1076968;1427560630;Chillum;oh
1076969;1427560631;Chillum;i see
1076970;1427560645;Chillum;was going to use firewall enforced vpn
1076971;1427560645;mircea_popescu;the number of random people trying random things will exponential
1076972;1427560655;mircea_popescu;that may actually work.
1076973;1427560676;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: feel free to lift the ascii jolly roger from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html for the warning banner...
1076974;1427560677;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19akQFF )
1076975;1427560679;asciilifeform;if you like
1076976;1427560682;ben_vulpes;chill
1076977;1427560683;Chillum;you guys should make a white paper
1076978;1427560683;mircea_popescu;firewalls are finnicy to setup, but once correctly setup on a linux box they're reliable.
1076979;1427560715;ben_vulpes;Chillum: and if the web host talking to the API gets compromised?
1076980;1427560729;asciilifeform;Chillum: we do human skin parchments instead of white papers here.
1076981;1427560736;ben_vulpes; you guys should make a white paper << myeah. someday, i'm sure.
1076982;1427560752;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it'd be one way nah ? from his wallet to the node. not the other way.
1076983;1427560753;nubbins`;mircea_popescu as seen in my latest submit: "Follow these instructions at your own peril, and upon risk of divestment, dismemberment, or death."
1076984;1427560778;mircea_popescu;nubbins` too cutsy to be effectual imo, but hey.
1076985;1427560801;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: well something has to poke the wallet in an automated fashion
1076986;1427560811;mircea_popescu;why ?
1076987;1427560813;nubbins`;all of those things are possible and if you press alf he'll admit that he expects all three
1076988;1427560823;ben_vulpes;because he's building a robo-remitter?!
1076989;1427560838;Chillum;ben_vulpes: That is always a risk with a hot wallet, but if the system needs to be automated then what is the alternative?
1076990;1427560861;Chillum;If the solution being offered is an air-gap then that only works in certain scenarios
1076991;1427560862;mircea_popescu;Chillum not to pry into your soul here, but mind describing the cause of the need for automation ?
1076992;1427560865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53800 @ 0.00027548 = 14.8208 BTC [+] {2} 
1076993;1427560912;mircea_popescu;an airgap is merely a golden standard BECAUSE it disallows automation. there's ipso definitio no automated airgap.
1076994;1427560934;Chillum;Security is easy if you have to manually approve each and every transaction
1076995;1427560952;ben_vulpes;Chillum:
1076996;1427560953;mircea_popescu;not so easy and quite expensive, which is why alternatives are always tempting. but go on ?
1076997;1427560957;ben_vulpes;what are you building.
1076998;1427560960;Chillum;most companies want tools that work without their intervention
1076999;1427560967;asciilifeform;(note to n00bs - this is a good place to point out that the 'air' in an airgap is more than physical concept: i.e. a machine controlled via radio in real time is not 'airgapped')
1077000;1427560972;mircea_popescu;most people want trees that shit prune juice too.
1077001;1427560998;ben_vulpes;pre-fermented at that
1077002;1427561017;Chillum;consider the use case of a service that rents say minecraft servers by the hour. The user need to be able to establish a balance and later withdraw their balance when they are done in a reasonable amount of time
1077003;1427561024;*;asciilifeform believes that 'meatgap' would be a more descriptive term for the concept
1077004;1427561039;nubbins`;heh
1077005;1427561042;Chillum;the owner relies on it being low maintenance in order for it to be profitable
1077006;1427561050;ben_vulpes;Chillum: 2 points:
1077007;1427561050;Chillum;which is very common in internet based companies
1077008;1427561051;mircea_popescu;Chillum completely unrelated : do you have any fucking idea how desired a bitcoin host is here ?
1077009;1427561053;ben_vulpes;1) what are you building
1077010;1427561065;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he basically wants trilema credits for whatever.
1077011;1427561066;ben_vulpes;2) if it's that low margin, why bother in the first place?
1077012;1427561068;Chillum;mircea_popescu: I bet.
1077013;1427561089;mircea_popescu;Chillum i've been trying to shoehorn random people into doing it since... omgerd 2013.
1077014;1427561097;Chillum;you do realize that some of the most successful internet companies are low margin right?
1077015;1427561101;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pinkposixpxe hai!
1077016;1427561101;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1077017;1427561128;Chillum;well the issue with bitcoin hosting is lack of accountability. The guy who is renting the servers to the bitcoin anon will get the abuse complaints when they spam
1077018;1427561139;mircea_popescu;nah, all wot based.
1077019;1427561147;mircea_popescu;you only work with !rated ppls.
1077020;1427561149;Chillum;which is why software as a service is a better option
1077021;1427561157;mircea_popescu;neah.
1077022;1427561183;Chillum;well mircea I can write a wrapper for AWS that accepts bitcoins from people on a whitelist
1077023;1427561190;Chillum;it will be a lot of work to do it securely though
1077024;1427561201;mircea_popescu;most everyone here can spin an aws in ten minutes.
1077025;1427561202;Chillum;but if there is demand and a willingness to pay a reasonable markup
1077026;1427561205;mircea_popescu;the idea is to get bare metal.
1077027;1427561211;asciilifeform;Chillum: can't speak for others but i in particular am interested specifically in migrating -from- aws
1077028;1427561233;asciilifeform;aws is the 'mcdonalds' of hosting.
1077029;1427561244;Chillum;I could offer raspberry pis, but you would need to VPN your own internet connection to them, I don't want bitcoin/irc dudes using my home internet lulz
1077030;1427561245;ben_vulpes;http://waifu.xyz/slurp/g/2661568_black_science.webm
1077031;1427561246;assbot;waifu.xyz - g ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0pCBq )
1077032;1427561251;Chillum;I got 5 Pi 2s and 10 more on the way
1077033;1427561255;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1077034;1427561262;mircea_popescu;did i post the crates of pogos anywhere or not yet ?
1077035;1427561276;asciilifeform;Chillum: pretty much everyone reading this has fiber to the grounds and a crate of small computers, just as happenstance
1077036;1427561279;ben_vulpes;no pics, no mircea_popescu
1077037;1427561288;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your crate or mine
1077038;1427561292;asciilifeform;mine - was here
1077039;1427561294;mircea_popescu;lmao
1077040;1427561298;mircea_popescu;ok, he posted his, good enuff.
1077041;1427561313;Chillum;having a crate of computers is great. Having them all work on the same problem at the same time is awesome
1077042;1427561316;asciilifeform;but if mircea_popescu has a railroad car it'll be great for morale & lulz
1077043;1427561325;mircea_popescu;Chillum they're for fixing the bitcoin nodes hole.
1077044;1427561336;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun really has that many, no.
1077045;1427561349;Chillum;well you would want network diversity for that
1077046;1427561354;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you recall, nubbins` did discovere where to get if you felt like it.
1077047;1427561358;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1077048;1427561360;Chillum;release a screensaver that does it lol, worked for SETI
1077049;1427561374;mircea_popescu;Chillum this is not half a bad idea, actually.
1077050;1427561387;asciilifeform;a 30G++++ screen saver ?
1077051;1427561398;asciilifeform;and reintroduction of winblows? ugh.
1077052;1427561408;Chillum;but it has to look cool, do something like: http://www.bitlisten.com/
1077053;1427561409;assbot;BitListen - Bitcoin Transaction Visualizer ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0qztE )
1077054;1427561410;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform run it through cygwin :D
1077055;1427561422;mircea_popescu;Chillum i was thinking, get the naked ladies to do specials.
1077056;1427561432;asciilifeform;l0l lusers will install cygwin runtime? aha, sure.
1077057;1427561442;nubbins`;heeeeeh
1077058;1427561464;mircea_popescu;windows people. will install anything.
1077059;1427561464;Chillum;most resource expensive screensaver EVER
1077060;1427561470;*;asciilifeform once had a full-blown build of xorg and other userland under cygwin, when worked in usg and forced to use winblows box
1077061;1427561472;mircea_popescu;Chillum so what, let intel do 10nm!
1077062;1427561496;Chillum;Instead of renting servers send cheap computers to volunteers for free. Will be cheaper in the long run
1077063;1427561509;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you recall, his argument 10 minutes ago stated correctly that "people will install anything at any time for any reason
1077064;1427561510;Chillum;just make sure you remove the bootloader so they can't reflash it
1077065;1427561513;mircea_popescu;but usually for no reason at all."
1077066;1427561518;Chillum;otherwise people will volunteer for free hardware
1077067;1427561536;mircea_popescu;Chillum you gotta understand how the wot works.
1077068;1427561551;Chillum;it works great, but only to a certain scale
1077069;1427561562;mircea_popescu;and you know this because...
1077070;1427561574;Chillum;well can the WoT give you 20,000 volunteers if you needed them?
1077071;1427561579;mircea_popescu;democracy works great but only on a certain scale.
1077072;1427561583;Chillum;agreed
1077073;1427561589;mircea_popescu;the wot works perfectly well on any scale larger than where a democracy breaks down
1077074;1427561605;mircea_popescu;if you need 20k volunteers you're doing it wrong.
1077075;1427561611;mircea_popescu;this is sparta, not rome.
1077076;1427561622;Chillum;okay fair enough. I dont' know what scale you are working on
1077077;1427561623;Chillum;I think big
1077078;1427561630;mircea_popescu;no, you don't. you just imagine you do.
1077079;1427561637;Chillum;ah I will reflect on that
1077080;1427561649;ben_vulpes;!b 3
1077081;1427561651;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GD3RS4.txt )
1077082;1427561657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48382 @ 0.00027576 = 13.3418 BTC [+]
1077083;1427561670;Chillum;lol
1077084;1427561693;nubbins`;Chillum, you're thicker-skinned than most
1077085;1427561710;mircea_popescu;than most whats ?
1077086;1427561718;nubbins`;others 8)
1077087;1427561734;Chillum;I have been an admin on wikipedia for 8 years, the thin skinned ones die out
1077088;1427561744;mircea_popescu;nubbins` formulate plan : only invite potheads to b-a. nubbins` looks upon results : good good goood!
1077089;1427561745;Chillum;we deal with flat earthers on a daily basis
1077090;1427561748;nubbins`;lel. i can imagine.
1077091;1427561754;mircea_popescu;srsly ?!
1077092;1427561760;mircea_popescu;that thing still goes ?
1077093;1427561764;Chillum;oh ya
1077094;1427561770;mircea_popescu;dude how the fuck.
1077095;1427561778;Chillum;creationists, flat earthers, anti-vacers, young earthers
1077096;1427561781;mircea_popescu;i mean, sa kruger going "impossible" i can see. it was early.
1077097;1427561784;Chillum;crazy people all day long
1077098;1427561794;mircea_popescu;but by now ? how the fuck would you think it's flat. "because it looks flat from space" ?
1077099;1427561809;nubbins`;the satellite launches are hoaxes
1077100;1427561817;mircea_popescu;even fucking romania launched one!
1077101;1427561820;Chillum;it involved sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!"
1077102;1427561823;nubbins`;those dots you see moving, unblinking, across the sky 20x a night are the lizards
1077103;1427561830;Chillum;oh ya the lizards
1077104;1427561841;Chillum;we hear from the people trying to reveal the truth about the lizards a lot
1077105;1427561845;mircea_popescu;Chillum i understand how the stupidity defends itself - like any other. what encuriouses me is... how does it get born.
1077106;1427561848;Chillum;and of course the jews did 911
1077107;1427561855;mircea_popescu;!s lizard hitler
1077108;1427561856;assbot;47 results for 'lizard hitler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lizard+hitler
1077109;1427561862;mircea_popescu;of course the jews did 911
1077110;1427561866;nubbins`;hahahaha
1077111;1427561868;Chillum;It was not born, ignorance predates knowledge
1077112;1427561880;mircea_popescu;!ban Chillum jews did 911 denier
1077113;1427561898;Chillum;don't quote me out of context lol
1077114;1427561903;mircea_popescu;(the funniest thing about this is that not having read the logs, he can't help but wonder about it lol)
1077115;1427561910;nubbins`;mircea_popescu +1
1077116;1427561919;nubbins`;"47 results for lizard hitler" my sides
1077117;1427561990;ben_vulpes;#ba is tops on my google for lizard hitler
1077118;1427561994;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i mostly blame alf
1077119;1427562000;ben_vulpes;who sez they don't use algos anymore, eh?
1077120;1427562020;ben_vulpes;someday we'll be tops for any string starting with turd as well
1077121;1427562025;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes they still use algorithmics for the outskirts. which is why the "long tail" revolution happened in seo.
1077122;1427562031;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, it's a handcrafted list.
1077123;1427562032;ben_vulpes;and we can blame alfie for that too
1077124;1427562039;mircea_popescu;like the nyt review of books, but for websites.
1077125;1427562059;ben_vulpes;yeah, let's bring back the directories!
1077126;1427562060;ben_vulpes;oh man.
1077127;1427562063;Chillum;a hand crafted index of the internet?
1077128;1427562064;nubbins`;mircea_popescu it's not his fault that conspiracy theory concepts are good metaphors for the actual missed points
1077129;1427562065;mircea_popescu;so stupid right ?
1077130;1427562065;ben_vulpes;now i want a directory!
1077131;1427562082;mircea_popescu;nubbins` blame does not attach to fault, blame attaches to agency.
1077132;1427562092;nubbins`;OH HO
1077133;1427562096;nubbins`;chew on that
1077134;1427562099;mircea_popescu;yw.
1077135;1427562178;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ ftr, since im here my brain has decided to multivocalize all j's as h's too, for good measure. and as you logged in it just proposed "hosed" as a possible interpretation of your user.
1077136;1427562229;mircea_popescu;so i guess now you're hosed.
1077137;1427562270;funkenstein_;actually that is how that username was born :)
1077138;1427562281;mircea_popescu;fuck me ?! srsly ?
1077139;1427562297;funkenstein_;somebody was talking about a "hosed bus" when i needed to pick one
1077140;1427562325;funkenstein_;sounds like you are becoming a real porteno
1077141;1427562328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00027576 = 2.6473 BTC [+]
1077142;1427562335;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's nothing, he's permeating harem speech. yest i was waffling over whether to go to icecream place, girl goes "well not like we gotta go and get the imensatron necessarily". ie, we could get a smaller tub. but no - imensaTRON!!1
1077143;1427562348;ben_vulpes;by the way what is up with billinghurst
1077144;1427562354;mircea_popescu;what about it ?
1077145;1427562369;ben_vulpes;it's the only word where the l's are pronounced?
1077146;1427562372;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, anyone care to guess the name of the street my office's on ? its a food item.
1077147;1427562385;mircea_popescu;ahahaha bishinghurst
1077148;1427562397;ben_vulpes;> get in cab
1077149;1427562398;funkenstein_;calle de lomo
1077150;1427562404;ben_vulpes;> "bishinghurst"
1077151;1427562408;mircea_popescu;dude. i been despising their local accent and doing the proper y = ll thing, but im totally going to say it as bishinghurst
1077152;1427562409;ben_vulpes;> two minutes of confusion
1077153;1427562433;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: glhf
1077154;1427562450;ben_vulpes;i'd like to see you do this to some poor cabbie
1077155;1427562453;mircea_popescu;good long hard fucking ?
1077156;1427562480;ben_vulpes;lol no are you trying to intuit from context again?!
1077157;1427562489;mircea_popescu;cuntext but yes.
1077158;1427562510;ben_vulpes;"good luck have fun"
1077159;1427562529;mircea_popescu;mine's better and will overtake yours
1077160;1427562532;mircea_popescu;by having more childrens.
1077161;1427562561;ben_vulpes;somehow i doubt you're going to have more children than me
1077162;1427562573;mircea_popescu;strawman. the EXPRESSION is. not me.
1077163;1427562587;ben_vulpes;YOUR LINE DIES WITH YOU
1077164;1427562601;mircea_popescu;dude your line's not even been to any masculinity conferences.
1077165;1427562632;mircea_popescu;(and no, my office is on pringles st.)
1077166;1427562645;ben_vulpes;i was actually musing on the absence of any leads-only tango practicas in town
1077167;1427562666;danielpbarron;scam! you said it was a food.. :p
1077168;1427562676;mircea_popescu;lol
1077169;1427562682;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what's that ?
1077170;1427562694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49813 @ 0.00027608 = 13.7524 BTC [+] {2} 
1077171;1427562694;ben_vulpes;nominally, at one point in history, you weren't allowed to lead at a milonga until you'd been more or less given permission from the other leads in town.
1077172;1427562717;mircea_popescu;> If you saw it tonight at marias taco xpress
1077173;1427562718;mircea_popescu;>Texas Bitcoin Conference
1077174;1427562722;mircea_popescu;wtf srsly ?
1077175;1427562733;ben_vulpes;first, you had to learn to lead by following at the leads practicas, then they'd teach you to lead, then eventually you'd get to go to the milongas.
1077176;1427562751;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes their wot died under consumerismo-socialism & peron.
1077177;1427562759;ben_vulpes;yes i know
1077178;1427562767;mircea_popescu;"but i like to kvetch"
1077179;1427562784;ben_vulpes;musing!
1077180;1427562795;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076548 << tbh i suspect it's a sexual dysfunction.
1077181;1427562795;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 11:54:19; nubbins`: "that's such an /american/ thing, hey? 'mentoring'? movin' to a big city and getting yourself a mentor or five?"
1077182;1427562830;ben_vulpes;anyways, point is that it's difficult to learn to lead from followers.
1077183;1427562839;mircea_popescu;you don't say!
1077184;1427562847;ben_vulpes;tautological almost :P
1077185;1427562885;ben_vulpes;and no leaders are interested in growing *more* leaders.
1077186;1427562890;ben_vulpes;well, very few.
1077187;1427562897;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076568 << am i the only one who finds the fact that nubbins` had to put FOUR excuses to doing a blog in the blog fucking domain hysterical ?
1077188;1427562897;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 13:08:43; nubbins`: but just in case: http://madcaptomfoolery.ca
1077189;1427562908;mircea_popescu;yo nubsy it's ok baby. a blog is not unlike a penis.
1077190;1427562916;mircea_popescu;no need to apologize.
1077191;1427562960;mircea_popescu;also it doesn't load.
1077192;1427563057;mircea_popescu;"Sat across from a serious man. He’s sunken himself into the soft underbelly of a woman. A fox, true 1960 pussy. Her silver hair knotted in a fat bun, loose upon her neck. "
1077193;1427563063;mircea_popescu;notbad.jpg
1077194;1427563092;danielpbarron;https://archive.today/k6oGP
1077195;1427563093;assbot;madcap tomfoolery | we write, you read. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0AWO2 )
1077196;1427563188;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076586 << also a criminal entreprise, but something tells me tough on his bosses enemies bharara isn't about to bust out the rico and send>40 faux usg academics up the river for 20+ eyars a head.
1077197;1427563188;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 13:41:23; nubbins`: like a web ring, but funner and in meatspace
1077198;1427563223;mircea_popescu;now on the other hand if they happened to you know, do that unspeakable crime aaron schwartz kid's guilty of...
1077199;1427563243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00027656 = 5.0749 BTC [+]
1077200;1427563244;trinque;+Chillum | I can understand it. It is removing a security layer, presumably for speed << the whole RPC thing will likely come out, not for speed but for blowtorching complexity
1077201;1427563260;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron danke. it loaded eventually.
1077202;1427563279;Chillum;trinque: yes I came to understand that
1077203;1427563287;trinque;ah just reading logs :)
1077204;1427563295;Chillum;makes a lot of sense in a cold wallet system
1077205;1427563301;Chillum;air-gapped that is
1077206;1427563306;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bingoboingo http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076591 << mebbe qntra worthy, if linked with discussion of "buenos aires embassy" ? dunno.
1077207;1427563306;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 14:08:34; nubbins`: http://cointelegraph.com/news/113811/bitcoin-embassy-amsterdam-founder-booted-from-organization-starts-second-embassy
1077208;1427563307;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1077209;1427563337;nubbins`;angle of who the fuck declares themselves an ambassador of btc anyway
1077210;1427563355;mircea_popescu;"clearly nobody actually associated".
1077211;1427563378;mircea_popescu;long history of this schmuckerdom, who was that polyanna something chick that was doing the "Bitcoin chamber of commerce" ?
1077212;1427563384;mircea_popescu;for some reason i have trouble with her name.
1077213;1427563384;nubbins`;lel
1077214;1427563398;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1077215;1427563459;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076596 << i dun think we want one, but if you wish to be the b-a ambassador into the midwest... that and india possibly the only places that need an embassy from la serenissima. and candi's got the india.
1077216;1427563459;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 14:10:38; PeterL: When does #b-a start our own emabassies?
1077217;1427563521;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076608 << now say it in carson voice.
1077218;1427563521;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 14:23:56; Chillum: I did not know that
1077219;1427563583;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you ever tried soldering a sata on see what happens ?
1077220;1427563607;nubbins`;sadly no connector handy, but i'm definitely putting a pin in it for later.
1077221;1427563609;mircea_popescu;(odds are the pads are just there because mass produced item)
1077222;1427563613;nubbins`;^
1077223;1427563623;nubbins`;altho it looks like they're connected to traces.
1077224;1427563626;mircea_popescu;but there's a vague possibility whole shebang's there and disabled in software
1077225;1427563663;nubbins`;there's no mounting holes on this pcb for the top usb port, either, so it's entirely possible the mobile and series4 have different pcbs
1077226;1427563721;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076637 << happens to be the eventual goal of the foundation.
1077227;1427563721;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 14:43:57; Chillum: Glad it is still being worked on. But frankly I would like to see a complete re-write of the client
1077228;1427563738;nubbins`;yeah, they're different boards
1077229;1427563749;mircea_popescu;consensus is the sort of thing in bitcoind is probably a lead cause of abortion, lead poisoning, fetal alcohol syndrome and the woes of the rings of saturn
1077230;1427563757;nubbins`;so... shrug. maybe it's like the rtc -- there for the user to add
1077231;1427563777;trinque;en_vulpes | has use cases? << ehehehe one would hope eventually!
1077232;1427563792;mircea_popescu;dude check it out, someone who remembers how bad bittorrent was originally.
1077233;1427563816;mircea_popescu;ftr, for the new souls : torrents were originally dismissed on the strength of how bad the shit / code was originally, as "this'll never work"
1077234;1427563861;mircea_popescu;felipelalli prolly ask fluffypony i think he's the only one here keeping an eye on monero.
1077235;1427563900;Chillum;lol I remember how bad trading files with IRC and FTP was, then I how bad bittorrent was
1077236;1427563908;nubbins`;oh, and guess who just un-bricked their pogo? http://imgur.com/dR3tx16  http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dmveVt3N
1077237;1427563910;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0FX9n )
1077238;1427563911;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0FXpM )
1077239;1427563912;Chillum;usenet for the win!
1077240;1427563912;fluffypony;felipelalli: I can arrange an OTC buy if you need, else Poloniex / Bittrex
1077241;1427563918;fluffypony;well done nubbins`
1077242;1427563927;mircea_popescu;Chillum didja also know naggum ?
1077243;1427563932;Chillum;I remember when people first started making mp3s
1077244;1427563939;Chillum;did not know naggum
1077245;1427563949;nubbins`;fluffypony ty :D
1077246;1427563951;fluffypony;Chillum: I remember ripping CDs to MP3s at real time speed
1077247;1427563951;Chillum;I remember when my apple IIgs was pretty neato
1077248;1427563953;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ain't fixing something great ? almost better than having made it in the first place!
1077249;1427563963;Chillum;I rocked the vic20
1077250;1427563963;fluffypony;through a fake microphone driver
1077251;1427563975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71650 @ 0.00027721 = 19.8621 BTC [+] {3} 
1077252;1427563976;nubbins`;wouldja believe this is the first piece of kit i've modded that /isn't/ a synthesizer?
1077253;1427563989;Chillum;it has a cassette tape drive
1077254;1427563990;mircea_popescu;i would, yes.
1077255;1427563997;Chillum;you had to press play or record to load or save a file
1077256;1427564001;nubbins`;:S
1077257;1427564005;mircea_popescu;Chillum : be-beep beee-dfkljgkjdfhgkjhkgher
1077258;1427564014;fluffypony;aaah good old Commodore 64 days
1077259;1427564017;Chillum;yes
1077260;1427564022;Chillum;you know the sound
1077261;1427564025;fluffypony;time to save my game...*presses record on the tape player*
1077262;1427564027;mircea_popescu;everyone here is very old.
1077263;1427564030;mircea_popescu;for we are all dragons.
1077264;1427564031;Chillum;similar to but different than a 300 baud modem
1077265;1427564040;mircea_popescu;yeah same principle.
1077266;1427564056;funkenstein_;Chillum, what kind of chip you have in there, a Dorrito?
1077267;1427564056;asciilifeform; but no - imensaTRON!!1 << l0l
1077268;1427564059;Chillum;I used to pick up pager signals with my scanner and decode them through my sound card.
1077269;1427564060;Chillum;lol
1077270;1427564072;Chillum;was just listening to that funkenstein
1077271;1427564079;*;asciilifeform did this to the folks he works with in meatspace, also to some extent
1077272;1427564091;mircea_popescu;you're like a weed.
1077273;1427564097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26036 @ 0.00027868 = 7.2557 BTC [+]
1077274;1427564097;mircea_popescu;a weed in lizard hitler's bunker.
1077275;1427564108;*;asciilifeform speaking to pet is most of the way unintelligible to bystanders, for instance
1077276;1427564116;mircea_popescu;this is how it should be.
1077277;1427564133;mircea_popescu;(twist : alf speaks iidish at home)
1077278;1427564160;Chillum;I smoke weed for breakfast!
1077279;1427564168;asciilifeform;send>40 faux usg academics up the river for 20+ eyars << weren't they chinese? or is this a different set of hucksters this time
1077280;1427564176;Chillum;god bless the grass that grows between the cracks
1077281;1427564182;mircea_popescu;seems a new set, haven't dug.
1077282;1427564199;mircea_popescu;I KNEW nubbins` is trying to stuff the weed  ballot.
1077283;1427564212;asciilifeform;tried soldering a sata on see what happens ? << it is quite likely missing some of the passives too
1077284;1427564227;mircea_popescu;99%, but let him have fun. the 1% is there.
1077285;1427564288;asciilifeform;nubbins`: http://imgur.com/dR3tx16 << technically it wasn't really -bricked- unless you had to do the boot-via-xmodem thing
1077286;1427564288;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoIv2d )
1077287;1427564297;asciilifeform;(i.e. internal flash totally b0rked including uboot)
1077288;1427564305;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076664 << Chillum currently we're using the pogos for ~19 dollar nodes.
1077289;1427564305;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 14:50:26; Chillum: I just need to make a $100 node
1077290;1427564309;mircea_popescu;you should look into that.
1077291;1427564309;nubbins`;yeah, i'm being loose w/ words
1077292;1427564323;nubbins`;i actually just mistakenly wiped the bootcmd env variable
1077293;1427564344;danielpbarron;19 USD + storage device
1077294;1427564347;mircea_popescu;"o what's this ? fuck it, don't need it. uh... wait."
1077295;1427564352;asciilifeform; wouldja believe this is the first piece of kit i've modded that /isn't/ a synthesizer? << notice the unpopulated row of pins at bottom end of pcb? those are gpio's and you can attach random strange to them
1077296;1427564361;Chillum;interesting
1077297;1427564365;nubbins`;did indeed!
1077298;1427564382;mircea_popescu;buy a pogo try it out, look into the past week's log it's full of people working on it, danielpbarron posted some excellent guides.
1077299;1427564384;nubbins`;i'll be back in 6 months with this wired into a home automation system
1077300;1427564385;asciilifeform;...good old Commodore 64 >>> http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/parallelsid/parasid.html
1077301;1427564386;assbot;Parallel Port SID6581 Interface ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoIGui )
1077302;1427564393;nubbins`;lighting levels tied to network hashrate
1077303;1427564400;danielpbarron;Chillum, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/spec.html
1077304;1427564401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoIIm8 )
1077305;1427564412;nubbins`;also http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt
1077306;1427564413;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSndrC )
1077307;1427564424;nubbins`;and if you're really interested, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/notes.html
1077308;1427564425;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoILOH )
1077309;1427564443;danielpbarron;the notes page is a really raw collection of links and commands
1077310;1427564446;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron srsly why not a blog format ?
1077311;1427564451;mircea_popescu;how are people to find one from the other ?
1077312;1427564456;Chillum;danielpbarron: so where do I get one?
1077313;1427564459;danielpbarron;the root directory
1077314;1427564463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27317 @ 0.00027868 = 7.6127 BTC [+]
1077315;1427564471;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron and as you keep writing ?
1077316;1427564471;danielpbarron;Chillum, i've been getting them from amazon
1077317;1427564482;danielpbarron;i keep adding to those files
1077318;1427564488;mircea_popescu;aite.
1077319;1427564495;danielpbarron;bad?
1077320;1427564497;*;Chillum goes to look on ebay
1077321;1427564508;trinque;ben_vulpes | now i want a directory! << here comes the #b-a gopher site
1077322;1427564511;asciilifeform;make a $100 node << 100 buys a pogo and a reasonable solid state sata
1077323;1427564527;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron if you're specifically making an experiment about it (which means, you've modeled it, doing things deliberately to observe effects etc) i can see it.
1077324;1427564533;mircea_popescu;otherwise... the consensus seems to be blog.
1077325;1427564536;trinque;god damn those were good logs
1077326;1427564559;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno anyone that doesn't have a "dead" old sata laying around.
1077327;1427564574;mircea_popescu;but sure, if you're buying a new disk, takes you to 100ish
1077328;1427564582;danielpbarron;what does everyone else do for blogging?
1077329;1427564604;trinque;danielpbarron: there's neutering wordpress or using some static site generator
1077330;1427564604;mircea_popescu;wp, which sucks, or else ben_vulpes' homeroll thing, which sucks.
1077331;1427564609;mircea_popescu;they suck for different reasons tho.
1077332;1427564611;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: old buggered mechanical satas aren't quite as nice, but certainly usable. the thing definitely sources sufficient amps for them
1077333;1427564622;mircea_popescu;mhm.
1077334;1427564630;asciilifeform;(vendor's 24W brick)
1077335;1427564646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00028053 = 1.9497 BTC [+]
1077336;1427564685;danielpbarron;my solid state sata is at 24 gigs, the 5400 rpm one is at 6.5 gigs
1077337;1427564704;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: no other differences ?
1077338;1427564714;danielpbarron;it seems to freeze up more often
1077339;1427564721;asciilifeform;i meant, in the machines
1077340;1427564726;danielpbarron;oh, no
1077341;1427564728;asciilifeform;aha
1077342;1427564731;trinque;what's the latest compile 0.5.3.1 for pogo doc, if any?
1077343;1427564739;trinque;meanwhile I'll get cross compiling tooling going
1077344;1427564741;mircea_popescu;actual chain + index ~39.5 gb atm
1077345;1427564742;asciilifeform;trinque: danielpbarron's
1077346;1427564762;asciilifeform;trinque: by all means build cross-compiler for your system, but when i put the buildroot thing up it will carry its own
1077347;1427564764;mircea_popescu;blkindex0016 almost full, which brings the following issue :
1077348;1427564777;mircea_popescu;what happens once we're over 10k x 2gb = 20tb of blockchain ?
1077349;1427564782;danielpbarron;i don't have a doc for 0.5.3.1 unless it counts to have one for the pre-release patching of 0.5.3
1077350;1427564782;asciilifeform;(buildroot demands nothing but your platform's native gcc and takes it from there until the bitter end, the actual armv5 images)
1077351;1427564783;mircea_popescu;y2k for btc!
1077352;1427564784;trinque;asciilifeform: I've got enough arm turdboards lying around to justify it
1077353;1427564796;Chillum;amazon canada sucks
1077354;1427564797;asciilifeform;trinque: note that each such board is likely wanting its own gcc
1077355;1427564800;danielpbarron;i need to reformat my laptop.. AGAIN
1077356;1427564814;asciilifeform;arm is notoriously fragmented into incompatible turddoms
1077357;1427564823;trinque;asciilifeform: ah ok, other than this I have pis
1077358;1427564829;mircea_popescu;Chillum if you absolutely can't find one i'll ok you to get one from our warehouse at dpb
1077359;1427564832;trinque;I'll just get both going, probably just some eselect thing in gentoo right?
1077360;1427564852;asciilifeform;pi1 was armv6, pi2 - armv7
1077361;1427564859;Chillum;I am going to read up on them first. Thanks
1077362;1427564859;danielpbarron;it's unlikely i can ship it cheaper than amazon
1077363;1427564867;danielpbarron;if he's just getting 1
1077364;1427564868;trinque;got both
1077365;1427564893;Chillum;I will either want 0 or 10+, I rarely get 1 of any small computer
1077366;1427564908;Chillum;they work better in little tribes
1077367;1427564923;danielpbarron;i think 18 fit nicely in a crate
1077368;1427565030;Chillum;I have a lot of Pi 2s to setup right now. I will look into the pogos though
1077369;1427565032;trinque;danielpbarron: mine arrived from amazon in 4 days with standard shipping, ymmv
1077370;1427565194;nubbins`;Chillum goes to look on ebay <<< cheaper on amazon, almost certainly
1077371;1427565221;nubbins`;<+asciilifeform> make a $100 node << 100 buys a pogo and a reasonable solid state sata <<< 64gb on the way, should get me through to the summer at least
1077372;1427565240;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah, which is why i said.
1077373;1427565288;mircea_popescu;;;calc 20 * 6 * 24
1077374;1427565288;gribble;2880
1077375;1427565296;mircea_popescu;20 days of it at any rate.
1077376;1427565316;mircea_popescu;o wait i forgot, 20mb won't be used, it just needs to be there to not be used. right right.
1077377;1427565322;Chillum;nubbins`: amazon canada sucks. $40, $30 on ebay
1077378;1427565322;asciilifeform;https://octopart.com/search?q=marvell%20%2088F6192 << interestingly, it's either extinct or octo (a paul graham co.!) lies, lies.
1077379;1427565324;assbot;  marvell  88F6192 - Octopart ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0Oqtd )
1077380;1427565333;nubbins`;Chillum agreed. amazon usa, however...
1077381;1427565334;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7
1077382;1427565345;Chillum;I used to work for an Amazon company
1077383;1427565366;Chillum;using massive arrays of cloud computers to reprice books as fast as possible compared to the market
1077384;1427565373;*;asciilifeform was idly toying with determining what pogotron might actually cost to make in quantity
1077385;1427565387;nubbins`;you can get used pogo (purple logo, w/ sata) for $15usd on amazon, used
1077386;1427565394;Chillum;we would get two customer who wanted their price to be 1 cent below everyone else and we tried to explain that since they are not the only person doing it that they would drop to a penny
1077387;1427565395;nubbins`;asciilifeform ++
1077388;1427565400;Chillum;they insisted
1077389;1427565407;asciilifeform;'marvell' per se doesn't turn up much either.
1077390;1427565408;Chillum;then complained when it dropped to a penny
1077391;1427565433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would suspect octo is just badly supplied.
1077392;1427565443;asciilifeform;it normally has pretty accurate figures
1077393;1427565444;mircea_popescu;the golden standard on ic sourcing is not some derpy valley website.
1077394;1427565447;mircea_popescu;does it ?
1077395;1427565451;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a meta search
1077396;1427565452;mircea_popescu;ianae
1077397;1427565452;nubbins`;asciilifeform sort of the thing where you need a foot in the door before they'll even price it out for you
1077398;1427565468;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this is my working hypothesis, marvell doesn't sell cut-tape
1077399;1427565473;asciilifeform;(term of art)
1077400;1427565516;asciilifeform;the other day i checked out what other system-on-chips might be cut-tapeable and have integrates sata, found nothing
1077401;1427565522;asciilifeform;but that was just a hour's dig.
1077402;1427565533;mircea_popescu;Chillum excellent case study in why "customer getting what it tihinks it wants" is no business plan.
1077403;1427565547;mircea_popescu;another excellent case study, the ghetto butt lifts.
1077404;1427565551;mircea_popescu;i could go on.
1077405;1427565572;punkman;asciilifeform: maybe an Allwinner chip?
1077406;1427565583;nubbins`;yeah, banana cream pi
1077407;1427565588;asciilifeform;punkman: too heavy
1077408;1427565589;nubbins`;or w/e the fuck
1077409;1427565597;asciilifeform;and i fucking hate bga
1077410;1427565601;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can see the case for this not being that commodified just yet. but imo unavoidable, with the trend towards it of which raspberry is just a reflection.
1077411;1427565613;punkman;asciilifeform: what's heavy?
1077412;1427565618;Chillum;mircea_popescu: they hire me as a developer, not a consultant
1077413;1427565619;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as you can probably guess, i won't be making it just yet.
1077414;1427565619;nubbins`;asciilifeform if you get in contact w/ marvell, you might suss out some contacts
1077415;1427565632;punkman;there are kirkwoods without BGA?
1077416;1427565632;Chillum;I could refuse on principal, someone else will make it
1077417;1427565633;mircea_popescu;Chillum your loss, pay sucks, job's not different.
1077418;1427565638;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i am not interested in vendors who need a sexual relationship just to source parts for prototype.
1077419;1427565642;mircea_popescu;principle.
1077420;1427565646;mircea_popescu;principal is what you owe on a loan.
1077421;1427565651;Chillum;I do alright
1077422;1427565659;nubbins`;hey, your life
1077423;1427565676;Chillum;I have created some truly stupid shit for people
1077424;1427565682;nubbins`;it's not like i don't contact Franmar when i want to find out where to buy bean-e-doo
1077425;1427565685;Chillum;you can't cure stupid
1077426;1427565692;mircea_popescu;you can not make more tho.
1077427;1427565731;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform y u no sexual relationsheeps!
1077428;1427565733;Chillum;freedom is the freedom to make mistakes. If people want to pay for something I will give it to them. I give free advice, it is rarely taken
1077429;1427565742;Chillum;within reason of course
1077430;1427565745;mircea_popescu;i can see that.
1077431;1427565763;mircea_popescu;but the freedom to make mistakes is a luxury not a freedom.
1077432;1427565777;asciilifeform;http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood << no mention of samplez
1077433;1427565778;assbot;Marvell - Embedded Processors - Kirkwood Series ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoLCqT )
1077434;1427565778;Chillum;frankly if I told my clients that they need to use an air-gap they would tell that it does not fit their business model. They would be right
1077435;1427565788;asciilifeform;(that's usually how you get cut-tapes from vendors who don't sell'em)
1077436;1427565799;Chillum;mircea_popescu: without the freedom to make mistakes you are forever under the tyranny of those who are "correct"
1077437;1427565801;asciilifeform;Chillum: then you need new clients
1077438;1427565803;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076683 << back-up is probably more adequate a description.
1077439;1427565803;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 14:58:02; PeterL: assbot is a gribble replacement
1077440;1427565805;Chillum;we need random bad ideas
1077441;1427565811;Chillum;sometimes they turn out to be good ideas
1077442;1427565813;asciilifeform;Chillum: and if you can't get those, new line of work
1077443;1427565816;mircea_popescu;and it's not in -otc for the reason any bot is not in any channel : admin didn't ask for it.
1077444;1427565832;mircea_popescu;(we asked for gribble here long ago, which is how it got to be here)
1077445;1427565854;mircea_popescu;Chillum it's a horrible way to exploit kids, really.
1077446;1427565868;mircea_popescu;i'd much rather see honest sexual slavery than this bs "random bad ideas" exploitation.
1077447;1427565880;Chillum;good to know that
1077448;1427565891;danielpbarron;heh
1077449;1427565910;asciilifeform;marvell registered in bermuda, l0l
1077450;1427565966;asciilifeform;anyway -it doesn't have to be a marvell-
1077451;1427565974;asciilifeform;just cost and feature parity.
1077452;1427565988;asciilifeform;if someone has idle hands that can do a bit of digging - appreciated.
1077453;1427566024;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i had been looking at this too.
1077454;1427566029;mircea_popescu;nothing good popped as of yet.
1077455;1427566029;asciilifeform;perhaps by this time next year - i'll have a part number
1077456;1427566045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've been looking since before i mentioned pogo in b-a
1077457;1427566062;mircea_popescu;i suspect on the score of electronics you actually beat my ppls.
1077458;1427566063;asciilifeform;(it was pretty clear right off the bat that it's a loss-leader and ergo nonrenewableresource)
1077459;1427566078;mircea_popescu;have been pondering if this pisses me off enough to do something about for a coupla months now.
1077460;1427566150;asciilifeform;'this' being the certain doom of pogo as off-the-shelf machine? yes, it is necessary to do something. main boojum is the ram-poverty of most available hardware in that weight class.
1077461;1427566172;asciilifeform;hence the near inevitability of having these baked like grown men
1077462;1427566181;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076709 << then you explained it and she was all http://www.quickmeme.com/img/28/2811d1ad07d6a35d4acb0b245abaac396ffaa4c233cac0d55a7987ebfc8d425b.jpg
1077463;1427566181;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 15:08:04; nubbins`: ater some weeks: "...what's assbot?"
1077464;1427566182;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0TJbX )
1077465;1427566204;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, "this" being that my intel sucks!
1077466;1427566209;asciilifeform;aha
1077467;1427566239;mircea_popescu;ram poverty in more than one way.
1077468;1427566244;mircea_popescu;few have fast ram.
1077469;1427566281;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076714 << not a bad idea.
1077470;1427566281;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 15:10:24; thestringpuller: I'm thinking of making a bot to determine uptime of other bots ;)
1077471;1427566285;nubbins`;http://www.marvell.com/sales/index.jsp?location=dc
1077472;1427566286;assbot;Marvell - Company - Sales Offices ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0UkL0 )
1077473;1427566286;asciilifeform;most of the ones i've purchased and cut open thus far have very similar 8 to 16-bit wide sdram (ddr2 typically) - almost always 'hynix' or samsung
1077474;1427566320;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076730 << what's the protest over ?
1077475;1427566320;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 15:36:51; nubbins`: lel, protestors have started doxxing the riot police
1077476;1427566329;asciilifeform;nubbins`: no reason to marry marvell
1077477;1427566347;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ever seen one with ddr3 ?
1077478;1427566355;mircea_popescu;which is a better perk than whatever arm processor.
1077479;1427566359;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope and not sure that i would ask for ddr3
1077480;1427566361;asciilifeform;!s rowhammer
1077481;1427566362;assbot;5 results for 'rowhammer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rowhammer
1077482;1427566369;nubbins`;mircea_popescu nyoozpaper says austerity
1077483;1427566383;mircea_popescu;so basically "more welfare" ?
1077484;1427566384;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did intel ever mention rowhammer ?
1077485;1427566385;nubbins`;nubbins says latent anger from widespread protests couple years ago
1077486;1427566393;asciilifeform;(your intel not the other intel)
1077487;1427566396;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes. however!
1077488;1427566435;mircea_popescu;it'd depend a lot on what you use it for.
1077489;1427566451;asciilifeform;see, when i use memory, and put bits in, i expect to get them out later.
1077490;1427566454;asciilifeform;unflipped.
1077491;1427566462;asciilifeform;this is non-negotiable in my mind.
1077492;1427566471;mircea_popescu;ok, let me model it.
1077493;1427566488;nubbins`;mircea_popescu students were protesting funding cuts. in a couple of the photos, you can see police wearing stickers protesting... pension cuts.
1077494;1427566491;asciilifeform;i don't even see 'rowhammer' as a security item, as such. just an indicator of 'this system is built on snot and bubblegum'
1077495;1427566499;nubbins`;as they discharge tear gas canisters point-blank into faces :0
1077496;1427566502;mircea_popescu;case 1 : you have slow memory, 64 gb of. you need 5 gb. case 2 : you have fast leaky memory, 32gb of. you still need 5gb, but use 15 for redundancy.
1077497;1427566518;mircea_popescu;moreover, there are fixes for the particular effect, buy rowhammer proof sticks.
1077498;1427566540;asciilifeform;ecc ?
1077499;1427566544;mircea_popescu;for instance.
1077500;1427566558;asciilifeform;need ecc ram controller then
1077501;1427566568;asciilifeform;and i actually don't know of any system-on-chip that includes one
1077502;1427566576;mircea_popescu;which was my point.
1077503;1427566583;asciilifeform;this bodes ill for use of off-the-shelf si.
1077504;1427566595;mircea_popescu;either that or time will resolve.
1077505;1427566610;asciilifeform;cost pressure is squarely in opposite direction.
1077506;1427566618;asciilifeform;so it may be a 'if not you then who' situation.
1077507;1427566620;mats;im under the impression that ecc doesn't mitigate the attack
1077508;1427566652;asciilifeform;mats: it is only an attack vector if you allow enemy means to hammer
1077509;1427566663;mircea_popescu;mats these aren't really intended to be multiuser systems.
1077510;1427566672;mircea_popescu;ecc is more general "leaky memory" thing.
1077511;1427566674;asciilifeform;by executing code on your machine, or by knowing something about mapping of external world i/o to your ram
1077512;1427566696;asciilifeform;i consider it a 'this thing is made of bubblegum because fuck you, you're consumer meat' vector
1077513;1427566713;mircea_popescu;no alf. it's because fuck you, you want to spend fiddy bux.
1077514;1427566733;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where do i spend 500 and get ecc systemonchip?
1077515;1427566735;asciilifeform;nowhere
1077516;1427566754;mircea_popescu;that's the problem there : hole in the middle.
1077517;1427566758;mircea_popescu;it's either consumer 50 or else spend 5mn.
1077518;1427566768;mircea_popescu;exactly like with wines.
1077519;1427566786;mircea_popescu;and that's a hole that's there for thermodynamic reasons too. nobody made it.
1077520;1427566794;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see, if we're gedankenexperimenting about a mass-produced equivalent of 'pogo', then unreliable hardware can be rationalized, 'отрÑд не заметил потери бойца' (TM) - what's one flipped bit. if we're gedankening about a 'wallet' - whole other ball game
1077521;1427566811;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine the wallet can ever be anything but pc.
1077522;1427566822;asciilifeform;z80
1077523;1427566826;mircea_popescu;of the most common, ordinary or typical kind.
1077524;1427566857;asciilifeform;i actually don't much like the rf-loudness of pc
1077525;1427566869;Chillum;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WcHsT97suU <-- due to cosmic rays you should always expect the possibility of a bit flipping at random in your memory
1077526;1427566870;assbot;DEF CON 19 - Artem Dinaburg - Bit-squatting: DNS Hijacking Without Exploitation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0Xyy3 )
1077527;1427566870;asciilifeform;esp. the '90s collectibles you and i are fond of
1077528;1427566877;asciilifeform;!s bitsquatting
1077529;1427566878;assbot;8 results for 'bitsquatting' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitsquatting
1077530;1427566878;mircea_popescu;no other consideration can beat the advantages of commonality i dun think.
1077531;1427566897;mircea_popescu;Chillum that's why he's such an error correction fanboi.
1077532;1427566897;Chillum;I wonder if that would work on an address
1077533;1427566911;asciilifeform;anyway there is a reason i don't work on wallets
1077534;1427566911;Chillum;what if the error happens in your cpu or hard drive cache?
1077535;1427566921;mircea_popescu;we don't talk about that (tm)
1077536;1427566923;asciilifeform;'skin in the game' problem
1077537;1427566924;Chillum;lol,
1077538;1427566930;mats;there's a checksum at the end of an address no?
1077539;1427566941;mircea_popescu;there is yes.
1077540;1427566953;Chillum;yes, in theory it could change after it is checked though
1077541;1427566962;Chillum;but I think that would invalidate the contract
1077542;1427566963;asciilifeform;and a proper auditable and tandem-cpu'd 'wallet' would cost more than anyone is willing to pay.
1077543;1427566973;Chillum;so I _think_ it is not an issue.
1077544;1427566973;asciilifeform;anything less, i don't have any interest in signing my name on.
1077545;1427567001;mircea_popescu;"and if i find a ten foot tall transparent (not translucent!!!) woman, i might stick my penis into her
1077546;1427567006;mircea_popescu;anything else... buzoff!"
1077547;1427567015;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> it's either consumer 50 or else spend 5mn. exactly like wines. <<< exactly like *everything*. you'll mollify some rubes with "prosumer" but that's really just $50 with more chrome
1077548;1427567024;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1077549;1427567033;mats;after some reinvestigation, SECDED ECC is not good enough to stop row hammering, because it can cause many bit flips. Halvar, et al found up to 25 flipped bits
1077550;1427567039;Chillum;wine can cost more than $50???
1077551;1427567047;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's put it this way. if i built a wallet, and put my x btc in it, no one would say 'this fella really means business'
1077552;1427567060;asciilifeform;the folks with xxxxx will not be convinced.
1077553;1427567066;mircea_popescu;Chillum yes.
1077554;1427567072;asciilifeform;as they shouldn't be.
1077555;1427567077;Chillum;a bottle that big would be hard to carry
1077556;1427567094;Chillum;I guess it would be a box at that size
1077557;1427567112;mircea_popescu;yes yes, we get it, very funny mr facetious joke
1077558;1427567117;Chillum;lol
1077559;1427567120;asciilifeform;mats: if you treat 'rowhammering' as a statistical phenomenon, instead of allowing the enemy to induce arbitrary memory access patterns on the machine, it is considerably easier to deal with.
1077560;1427567132;Chillum;how did you know my nick name?
1077561;1427567132;asciilifeform;'plug the correct end of a funnel.' (TM) (al schwartz)
1077562;1427567144;mircea_popescu;Chillum i paid $100 for a bottle of knowledge.
1077563;1427567205;mircea_popescu; Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. << this is me trying to alter eulora database. because you really want a mmorpg server that segfaults when game designers futz with game data.
1077564;1427567215;mircea_popescu;WHO WROTE ALL THIS SOFTWARE OFMGWTFBBQ
1077565;1427567228;nubbins`;bbq? in argentina? get out  8)
1077566;1427567243;asciilifeform; it's either consumer 50 or else spend 5mn. exactly like wines. << mircea_popescu probably did not intend this double meaning, but it is EXACTLY like wines at this point. because the 5mn computer you can get today is not actually any but a cosmetic 'golden toilet' improvement over the 50.
1077567;1427567259;mircea_popescu;no, i intended it.
1077568;1427567260;asciilifeform;i think there are some fascinating surprises waiting for buyers of surplus 'boeing', 'lockheed', etc.
1077569;1427567287;asciilifeform;there -was- a time when 5mn meant that you get tandem, cosmicray-proof, etc.
1077570;1427567302;asciilifeform;in fact,
1077571;1427567304;chetty;mircea_popescu, to be fair it doesnt kill a running server, just keeps it from starting :P
1077572;1427567304;asciilifeform;!s tandem nonstop
1077573;1427567305;assbot;0 results for 'tandem nonstop' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tandem+nonstop
1077574;1427567307;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/masini-bune-si-masini-de-lux/ << me bashing the "better car is a luxury car" notion in 2010.
1077575;1427567307;assbot;Masini bune si masini de lux pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1D10afm )
1077576;1427567312;asciilifeform;;;google tandem nonstop
1077577;1427567313;gribble;Tandem Computers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; NonStop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; HP Integrity NonStop Servers - HP Servers | HP® Official Site: 
1077578;1427567316;mircea_popescu;chetty tru that.
1077579;1427567318;asciilifeform;^ defunct co.
1077580;1427567330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82423 @ 0.00027532 = 22.6927 BTC [-]
1077581;1427567332;nubbins`;well ya know. luxury branded as such is precisely marketed towards the aspirational
1077582;1427567344;asciilifeform;http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/52540/tandem
1077583;1427567347;assbot;Tandem Definition from PC Magazine Encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D10oTE )
1077584;1427567347;nubbins`;actual luxury doesn't take out ad space in GQ
1077585;1427567390;asciilifeform;nubbins`: 'luxury' isn't quite the concept i had in mind, but 'if this cpu flips a bit, kingdoms fall'
1077586;1427567401;asciilifeform;nukexury
1077587;1427567401;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the key of the article being, that if there's a genuinely "Better" anything, it will be in the mass market item, because the savings there are major. nobody is foregoing putting a GOOD something in an item that gets baked > 100mn units.
1077588;1427567413;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, if there's some dubious / experimental stuff, it gets put into the luxury item
1077589;1427567417;Chillum;store crucial info in a 5 way parity strip
1077590;1427567425;mircea_popescu;because car makers, like any software designers, are more than willing to externalise their costs
1077591;1427567431;nubbins`;if this cpu flips a bit, burial at space
1077592;1427567438;mircea_popescu;exactly along the lines described in "you're the kid not good enough to sling dope"
1077593;1427567441;Chillum;stripe that is
1077594;1427567446;mircea_popescu;ie, let our rich customers pay for our automotive research.
1077595;1427567451;asciilifeform;nubbins`: see how this is a somewhat different market from 'mercedes'
1077596;1427567474;nubbins`;mircea_popescu a good example of this is when the nintendo wii came out, and researchers the world over started buying wiimotes for their labs
1077597;1427567482;nubbins`;3-axis gyro and accelerometers for $40
1077598;1427567483;mircea_popescu; actual luxury doesn't take out ad space in GQ << this is really just a more benign and socially acceptable restatement of alf's meta-nsa thesis.
1077599;1427567487;nubbins`;in a nice case too!
1077600;1427567492;mircea_popescu;yup.
1077601;1427567495;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1077602;1427567509;asciilifeform;Chillum: reliable computing is somewhat more than parity calculations. ('voting' protocols, heterogeneous cpus calculating same problem, etc)
1077603;1427567527;asciilifeform;anyone have tlp's rolex article handy ?
1077604;1427567541;mircea_popescu;"heterogenous cpus calculating same problem" seems to me like you maybe had too much of the good stuff.
1077605;1427567543;asciilifeform;(re: 'actual luxury has no ads')
1077606;1427567548;Chillum;valid point, no amount of checking will solve a race condition
1077607;1427567555;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was actually done
1077608;1427567561;mircea_popescu;for what ?
1077609;1427567573;asciilifeform;it is the only pill (other than 'fits in head') against boojums like intel's fpu bug
1077610;1427567576;funkenstein_;does that describe bitcoin?
1077611;1427567586;mircea_popescu;(i save the "but  provably ?" for later)
1077612;1427567599;asciilifeform;for what << for spacecraft, but don't have the needed citation handy
1077613;1427567600;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ yes, with the bonus that forks.
1077614;1427567617;Chillum;you can induce random failures in RAM for testing purposes with a hair dryer
1077615;1427567631;Chillum;not good for the ram though
1077616;1427567633;mircea_popescu;isn't this more 90s sort of stuff ?
1077617;1427567650;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the interesting thing is that if you confine the proof requirements to the consensus circuit, problem becomes actually manageable
1077618;1427567650;nubbins`;big boys use a b&d heat gun
1077619;1427567659;asciilifeform;because it isn't turing-complete
1077620;1427567662;Chillum;best case scenario would be to fail safe, instead of fail silently
1077621;1427567689;asciilifeform;Chillum: sometimes you want 'fail deadly'
1077622;1427567718;mircea_popescu;"this is your new computer ms. robinson. and to repeat our warning : if you misspell it will whip you."
1077623;1427567729;nubbins`;asciilifeform mircea_popescu why not just invent yourselves a friedcat and scoop up some investor fundz, sell a line of USB BITCOIN ERUPTORZ for 2btc each
1077624;1427567731;nubbins`;;p
1077625;1427567738;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l, the proverbial nazi method of teaching typing
1077626;1427567741;Chillum;kickstarter
1077627;1427567744;asciilifeform;electric (as in chair) typewriter
1077628;1427567745;nubbins`;(speaking of externalizing costs)
1077629;1427567758;mircea_popescu;nubbins` wait wut ?
1077630;1427567778;nubbins`;ha
1077631;1427567779;Chillum;any project can benefit from OPM
1077632;1427567782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, most people that survived a halon dump also heard the pov that "the machine just does that when it's displeased"
1077633;1427567820;nubbins`;mircea_popescu asicminer made *thousands* of btc selling those useless keychain miners
1077634;1427567824;asciilifeform;nubbins`: interesting observation is that the 'friedcat algorithm' only worked because miners can be let secretly to sit and mine, amplifying the proceeds of that scam
1077635;1427567834;nubbins`;nod
1077636;1427567839;nubbins`;this is true
1077637;1427567849;nubbins`;first out of the gate, they probably still haven't counted all their money
1077638;1427567864;asciilifeform;nubbins`: if they merely collected and sat on the money, there could have been no question of covering fab costs
1077639;1427567865;mircea_popescu;well the reason they haven't is that wallet code is so damned bad.
1077640;1427567891;asciilifeform;and especially not if they had used actual ab initio fab instead of 'hard copy fpga'
1077641;1427567902;asciilifeform;(which is 1/10th to 1/5th the cost of the Real Deal)
1077642;1427568012;asciilifeform;speaking of 'luxury' and orcish misunderstanding of the concept, iirc ru has the world's only aston martin showroom where -folks actually buy and drive off-
1077643;1427568029;mircea_popescu;this because russians know enough to not have it any other way.
1077644;1427568031;asciilifeform;to explain, such a machine in the rest of the world is built custom - seat with the skin of favourite deceased pet jaguar, etc.
1077645;1427568060;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from the other pov, because in the rest of the world this machine is part of bezzleworld.
1077646;1427568063;Chillum;They want a custom built auto, but they want it already made and waiting for them
1077647;1427568083;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: normally it is presented as 'poor ru schmucks haven't learned how to be correctly rich yet'
1077648;1427568085;mircea_popescu;better than the volga!
1077649;1427568094;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and there is truth to that, yes. but not just.
1077650;1427568100;mircea_popescu;otherwise, why'd anyone care.
1077651;1427568107;Chillum;they like Rolexes too
1077652;1427568118;asciilifeform;they think 'rich' means they walk in and spend 10**4 times the money and walk out with consumer box, but same overall dynamic
1077653;1427568129;mircea_popescu;well...
1077654;1427568137;mircea_popescu;i made hotel reservations for you lot, right ?
1077655;1427568145;mircea_popescu;clerk is "all the guarantee we'll want is a cc"
1077656;1427568152;mircea_popescu;"i don't use cc, and this will be paid in cash"
1077657;1427568165;mircea_popescu;ima have to cart bricks of cash to the hotel nao. and i will.
1077658;1427568200;mircea_popescu;because, poor ex-billionaire mp doesn't know how to be a ex-billionaire correctly, like whatever frail us schmuck.
1077659;1427568212;*;asciilifeform thought only in usa was cash spat on this way
1077660;1427568249;chetty;argies use almost all cash, hotels are for touristas
1077661;1427568255;asciilifeform;Sh
1077662;1427568256;asciilifeform;Ah
1077663;1427568279;mircea_popescu;it's a halfway world, right ? i hope you survive the indignity :)
1077664;1427568283;asciilifeform;l0l
1077665;1427568287;mircea_popescu;it's not 100% us!
1077666;1427568309;*;asciilifeform is accustomed to the chemically-pure gut-dissolving 100 percent u.s
1077667;1427568330;mircea_popescu;how did the timisoara one look from that pov ?
1077668;1427568335;chetty;thats a point, you guys might get chem withdrawl
1077669;1427568345;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it looked like valhalla
1077670;1427568355;mircea_popescu;o rly ? then this should be ok.
1077671;1427568364;mircea_popescu;literally across the plaza from the casa rosada.
1077672;1427568367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00027604 = 5.7554 BTC [+]
1077673;1427568368;*;nubbins` recalls staying in Crowne Plaza Bogota and cutting up a particularly dense turd with a sterling silver butter knife so it would flush
1077674;1427568368;mircea_popescu;suites, too.
1077675;1427568381;mircea_popescu;!b 2
1077676;1427568384;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0H0C6AW.txt )
1077677;1427568384;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what!
1077678;1427568386;nubbins`;srs!!!
1077679;1427568399;nubbins`;this was after 2 weeks in the jungles and slumming around small towns
1077680;1427568400;mircea_popescu;dude, try eating some greens sometime.
1077681;1427568410;nubbins`;mi estomago
1077682;1427568440;nubbins`;notfun.jpg tried cutting in half, wasn't enough, had to slice it like a fuckin pepperoni
1077683;1427568445;nubbins`;:(
1077684;1427568449;trinque;hahahaha
1077685;1427568456;mircea_popescu;this is possibly the weirdest thing i ever heard
1077686;1427568459;mircea_popescu;did you put it on a plate ?
1077687;1427568459;asciilifeform;nubbins`: there are actually locales in usa with pipes so narrow, that this is sop
1077688;1427568462;nubbins`;ahahahah
1077689;1427568468;asciilifeform;except that folks buy specially constructed toilets
1077690;1427568475;asciilifeform;with something like a food processor built in to the pedestal
1077691;1427568477;trinque;or you just pinch it every couple links
1077692;1427568483;*;asciilifeform is not, unfortunately, making this up
1077693;1427568484;nubbins`;mircea_popescu cut right in the bowl, natch
1077694;1427568493;trinque;old buildings, well known not to drop the whole load at once
1077695;1427568501;nubbins`;would have left it, but travelling partner also had to take huge dump
1077696;1427568506;mircea_popescu;who does this
1077697;1427568506;nubbins`;and the peril scared us
1077698;1427568513;nubbins`;afaik only me :/
1077699;1427568516;Chillum;my toilet works
1077700;1427568528;funkenstein_;lol nubbins
1077701;1427568529;nubbins`;for now.
1077702;1427568537;funkenstein_;speaking of bogota you see the pics of hail last week?
1077703;1427568538;mircea_popescu;i hate to break it to you nubbins` but this is really not normal.
1077704;1427568545;mircea_popescu;it may be how scatophilia begins.
1077705;1427568546;nubbins`;DUDE I HAD NO OTHER CHOICE
1077706;1427568554;nubbins`;I LET IT SIT FOR THREE HOURS TO SOFTEN
1077707;1427568558;Chillum;that is what all scatophiles say
1077708;1427568561;trinque;could've just left it and never looked back
1077709;1427568567;trinque;tragedy of the commons
1077710;1427568576;nubbins`;trinque <+nubbins`> would have left it, but travelling partner also had to take huge dump
1077711;1427568592;nubbins`;my shame prevented me from asking for a new room
1077712;1427568594;trinque;just a bigger tragedy then
1077713;1427568602;Chillum;cutting it up when you have it is not that strange. Telling people about it though...
1077714;1427568608;mircea_popescu;"hello concierge ? yes i need a new room please, this one is full of shit."
1077715;1427568622;trinque;I worked in a hotel once; this would not be the worst thing to encounter
1077716;1427568628;mircea_popescu;Chillum no the telling is normal.
1077717;1427568628;trinque;at least the turd was in the can, not the bed
1077718;1427568642;nubbins`;heh
1077719;1427568649;mircea_popescu;amateur shit processing however...
1077720;1427568656;nubbins`;anyways $100usd buys you a very large amount of nice hotel room in .co
1077721;1427568670;asciilifeform;;;google macerator
1077722;1427568670;gribble;Macerator - Industrial-Craft-Wiki: ; Macerator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Bathroom Anywhere Macerator Pump 120 Volt-38724.0 - Home Depot: 
1077723;1427568678;trinque;asciilifeform: final nub question; where's the list of these crossdev targets?
1077724;1427568690;trinque;^ is a lie
1077725;1427568704;asciilifeform;gcc 'configure' --help, iirc
1077726;1427568708;trinque;ty
1077727;1427568780;asciilifeform;http://www.homedepot.com/p/Bathroom-Anywhere-Macerator-Pump-120-Volt-38724-0/202217665 << l0l!! >> 'Ideal for basements, man-caves,...'
1077728;1427568781;assbot;Bathroom Anywhere Macerator Pump 120 Volt-38724.0 - The Home Depot ... ( http://bit.ly/1D18U5b )
1077729;1427568792;nubbins`;buildroot make is still bailing out while trying to compile -- no joke -- tar 1.28
1077730;1427568803;nubbins`;this is how i learned the tar ecosystem is actually a fucking nightmare
1077731;1427568824;nubbins`;and linux, bsd, osx implementations are all almost wholly incompatible
1077732;1427568831;asciilifeform;nubbins`: please consider using a real computer, or if you must crapple - a vm
1077733;1427568842;nubbins`;asciilifeform this was kinda the final straw
1077734;1427568852;nubbins`;individual packages, i don't mind kludging
1077735;1427568876;nubbins`;but i have no interest in dismantling buildroot from the top down
1077736;1427568909;nubbins`;will steal wifey's machine this eve
1077737;1427568957;asciilifeform;http://www.kandbnews.co.uk/bathrooms/just-out/saniflointroduceslim-linemaceratorpump#.VRb5NnW9_fs
1077738;1427568958;assbot;Kitchen & Bathroom News   | Saniflo introduces slim-line macerator pump ... ( http://bit.ly/1D19QX7 )
1077739;1427568963;asciilifeform;^ l0l re: pin-up in this ad
1077740;1427569009;mircea_popescu;<nubbins`> this is how i learned the tar ecosystem is actually a fucking nightmare << it's reallty very very bad.
1077741;1427569035;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, the parallels between usg-poettering "working on" linux and usgavin "working on" bitcoin are utterly striking.
1077742;1427569064;mircea_popescu;here's this monstruous pile of serious problems in dire need of a solution, and here's the transgenderqueer crowd fixing pronouns and breaking the scant few things that almost work.
1077743;1427569092;mircea_popescu;and no, i don't propose that there's an actual office somewhere directing this braindamage.
1077744;1427569121;mircea_popescu;it's just that moot subcultures at the end of their rope spew singlemindedness as a natural fermentation product.
1077745;1427569161;asciilifeform;not that there is no office where hearn et al are given winks, nudges, and stacks of benjies
1077746;1427569176;mircea_popescu;i doubt poettering for isntance as much as saw a whiff of a whiff of that.
1077747;1427569186;asciilifeform;(does poettering have a 'day job' ? and, if so, what is it?)
1077748;1427569190;mircea_popescu;he has a boss in rh who has a boss who has an orlov who has an etc. six strings long, the flea circus.
1077749;1427569204;mircea_popescu;it's being a bitch for dubious usg contractors.
1077750;1427569213;mircea_popescu;!up jdjfjfucuysbebej
1077751;1427569221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146808 @ 0.00027532 = 40.4192 BTC [-] {2} 
1077752;1427569221;jdjfjfucuysbebej;Hi
1077753;1427569227;mircea_popescu;ello.
1077754;1427569242;jdjfjfucuysbebej;Why do you need to be upped?
1077755;1427569244;asciilifeform;meowmix ?
1077756;1427569246;danielpbarron;!up Bagels7
1077757;1427569257;mircea_popescu;i don't need to be upped. you do.
1077758;1427569263;jdjfjfucuysbebej;Why
1077759;1427569274;mircea_popescu;so this difference between us is enforced in a way you can't ignore.
1077760;1427569281;jdjfjfucuysbebej;Yeah
1077761;1427569317;danielpbarron;so "uppity"
1077762;1427569320;mircea_popescu;lol
1077763;1427569329;nubbins`;!down jdjfjfucuysbebej
1077764;1427569343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64150 @ 0.00027806 = 17.8375 BTC [+] {3} 
1077765;1427569346;nubbins`;dat androirc@
1077766;1427569347;mircea_popescu;well at least he got his isp to give him a new ip.
1077767;1427569350;nubbins`;yeah!
1077768;1427569357;nubbins`;it's like 1.5x as much ip as last time
1077769;1427569361;mircea_popescu;which - the cunts - made an ipv6. such service.
1077770;1427569369;asciilifeform;seems like he's on a pNohe
1077771;1427569374;asciilifeform;hence new ip
1077772;1427569377;nubbins`;ah!
1077773;1427569378;mircea_popescu;any good gf pov ?
1077774;1427569404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47550 @ 0.00028032 = 13.3292 BTC [+] {2} 
1077775;1427569422;mircea_popescu;holy shit 28 ? MEAT TONIGHT!
1077776;1427569462;trinque;for the other crossdev newbs, gcc -dumpmachine will (I think?) give what must be plonked into crossdev --target
1077777;1427569481;mats;it rises
1077778;1427569560;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so random ssd question for you. aren't the reads destructive just as writes are ? how come not if not ?
1077779;1427569588;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: read measures charge. high-impedance circuit, so 'bubble' isn't moving
1077780;1427569593;asciilifeform;hence no appreciable ion migration.
1077781;1427569604;mircea_popescu;but!
1077782;1427569607;mircea_popescu;these cells are tiny.
1077783;1427569615;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do they measure charge without altering it
1077784;1427569641;asciilifeform;not -that- tiny.
1077785;1427569641;Chillum;blocks are rewritten on a schedule in most firmware I think
1077786;1427569650;Chillum;part of wear levelling
1077787;1427569659;asciilifeform;Chillum: that wasn't the question
1077788;1427569669;Chillum;I guess I misunderstood
1077789;1427569670;mircea_popescu;Chillum that was more of a "we want this hardware to last 25 months exactly" marketin thing i thought
1077790;1427569673;nubbins`;dat NTFS write scheme
1077791;1427569709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77189 @ 0.00027266 = 21.0464 BTC [-] {4} 
1077792;1427569722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how tiny ? afaik the controlling factor limitng memory atm is that they can't make it thinner than it is because single layer silicone and tunelling becoems a thing.
1077793;1427569725;mircea_popescu;well if that's the case...
1077794;1427569741;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'read-disturb' is a thing, yes
1077795;1427569748;asciilifeform;but, iirc, small.
1077796;1427569752;asciilifeform;but not zero.
1077797;1427569756;mircea_popescu;how much of a thing ? 100 reads ? 1mn reads ?
1077798;1427569770;mircea_popescu;what's the per-read LD50 of memory i wish to know!
1077799;1427569806;nubbins`;you want that in mg/kg?
1077800;1427569819;mircea_popescu;lol
1077801;1427569826;mircea_popescu;nah, count per capita.
1077802;1427569831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47620 @ 0.00028053 = 13.3588 BTC [+]
1077803;1427569832;nubbins`;nb
1077804;1427569880;asciilifeform;afaik there is no published data.
1077805;1427569901;asciilifeform;other than 'it exists' and 'commercial nand flash controllers compensate in proprietary ways' (l0l yes)
1077806;1427569902;mircea_popescu;interesting huh.
1077807;1427569911;mircea_popescu;anyways.
1077808;1427569946;asciilifeform;my understanding is that 'read-disturb' is largely temporary.
1077809;1427569955;mircea_popescu;why would it be temporary ?
1077810;1427569969;nubbins`;bbl food!
1077811;1427569979;asciilifeform;because results from residual charge from neighbouring signal to select the row/col. to read.
1077812;1427569989;asciilifeform;rather than a 'reflashing' of a bit.
1077813;1427569997;mircea_popescu;then this isn't really the effect i was talking about
1077814;1427570002;mircea_popescu;but a sort of low level rowhammer
1077815;1427570006;Chillum;'commercial nand flash controllers compensate in proprietary ways' =  rewriting the block every X reads
1077816;1427570018;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1077817;1427570030;asciilifeform;-consecutive- reads
1077818;1427570032;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit
1077819;1427570040;asciilifeform;or you'd need a whole other array to count.
1077820;1427570057;asciilifeform;turtles for the turtles to stand on.
1077821;1427570061;mircea_popescu;i think they count by row
1077822;1427570064;mircea_popescu;and reflash by row
1077823;1427570068;Chillum;plus retiring nands and using unused ones after X accesses. One of the ways they hide decay
1077824;1427570069;mircea_popescu;i know they write per row in any case.
1077825;1427570087;asciilifeform;http://www.yaffs.net/documents/yaffs-nand-flash-failure-mitigation#Read_disturb
1077826;1427570088;assbot;Yaffs NAND flash failure mitigation | Yaffs ... ( http://bit.ly/1D1gEnv )
1077827;1427570090;asciilifeform;^ small likbez
1077828;1427570100;Chillum;not sure about the exact granularity
1077829;1427570161;mircea_popescu;in any case about 1/4 of the total capacity of a ssd is not actually shown the os.
1077830;1427570172;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in recent devices, even more.
1077831;1427570174;mircea_popescu;there's ample room in there to count by row, and keep reserves etc.
1077832;1427570176;mircea_popescu;right.
1077833;1427570233;Chillum;nice link
1077834;1427570234;asciilifeform;'hammers' were always somewhat interesting. who here remembers 'walking drum disks' ?
1077835;1427570253;Chillum;from the wall?
1077836;1427570253;asciilifeform;also a kind of 'software hammer' where unbalanced rotor effect was induced
1077837;1427570261;asciilifeform;those things could easily walk through a cement wall
1077838;1427570652;mircea_popescu;anyone know a fast and painless way to make subtitles for a youtube ?
1077839;1427570804;funkenstein_;i was asking a database guy about log structured databases like the blockchain
1077840;1427570809;funkenstein_;he told me to read about ssd filesystems
1077841;1427570824;funkenstein_;and no, sorry, i don't
1077842;1427572210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50883 @ 0.00027476 = 13.9806 BTC [-]
1077843;1427572515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00028053 = 9.51 BTC [+]
1077844;1427573015;jurov;;;google closed captioning service
1077845;1427573017;gribble;Closed Captioning Services - Home Page: ; Closed Captioning Service | Subtitles: ; Captionlabs: Closed Caption Service, Closed Captioning Services: 
1077846;1427573026;jurov;^ mircea_popescu may be what you need
1077847;1427573125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00028065 = 1.7962 BTC [+] {2} 
1077848;1427573224;trinque;got muh cross compiler cross compilin'
1077849;1427573236;*;trinque gets food, then will try to build the foundation's bitcoind
1077850;1427573258;jurov;have a blood of stillborn ready?
1077851;1427573298;trinque;how bout some sacrificial cats?
1077852;1427573674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00028066 = 19.4497 BTC [+]
1077853;1427573857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98900 @ 0.00028066 = 27.7573 BTC [+]
1077854;1427574045;trinque;changing the arch in auto.sh didn't seem to work
1077855;1427574067;trinque;saw it using system g++ anyway, failed to link the result
1077856;1427574518;trinque;found the relevant patches
1077857;1427574589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24632 @ 0.00028066 = 6.9132 BTC [+]
1077858;1427574597;mircea_popescu;jurov hm ?
1077859;1427574641;mod6;trinque: what OS/arch ?
1077860;1427574650;trinque;mod6: trying to cross compile for the pogo
1077861;1427574655;mod6;oh, ok.
1077862;1427575149;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fansub << yes!
1077863;1427575152;asciilifeform;http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/videos/rcQaef4yYJyn/info/moia-masterskaia
1077864;1427575153;assbot;ÐœÐ¾Ñ Ð¼Ð°ÑтерÑÐºÐ°Ñ with subtitles | Amara ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8LfPk )
1077865;1427575156;asciilifeform;^ i used it to fansub a youtube
1077866;1427575159;asciilifeform;deadly simple
1077867;1427575186;asciilifeform;(won't overlay on youtube unless you're the one who posted the film, naturally)
1077868;1427575204;asciilifeform;i searched far and wide for a fansub tool, ended up with that
1077869;1427575259;asciilifeform;http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/videos/rcQaef4yYJyn/en/915426 << correct link for sub
1077870;1427575260;assbot;ÐœÐ¾Ñ Ð¼Ð°ÑтерÑÐºÐ°Ñ with subtitles | Amara ... ( http://bit.ly/1EhAhJC )
1077871;1427575452;asciilifeform;trinque: the absolute best way to do crossdev, imho, is 1) have a gentoo box and use 'crossdev' emerge tool which magically builds the toolchains correctly 2) wait for buildroot
1077872;1427575487;trinque;asciilifeform: I have crossdev and built a simple main.c which ran on the pogo
1077873;1427575502;asciilifeform;(or don't wait, if you download the stock version and build the 'sheevaplug' thing - it gives almost usable kernel)
1077874;1427575586;asciilifeform;(re: that film: no, i am not personally acquainted with the fella who made the film.)
1077875;1427575687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00028066 = 7.0867 BTC [+]
1077876;1427575756;ben_vulpes;trinque: a hack that i've seen to work is building for arch in a docker container
1077877;1427575759;ben_vulpes;ymmv
1077878;1427575775;ben_vulpes;but that's how bizpartner compiles his flugenputer
1077879;1427575791;trinque;ben_vulpes: really just waiting for someone to say "auto.sh doesn't do that yet" so I am aware of whether I'm wasting time fixing it :D
1077880;1427575818;trinque;seems mad about the arch being passed to the openssl compile, which could either be me not having the right environment encantations or who knows
1077881;1427575839;*;trinque doesn't mind continuing to hump the football
1077882;1427575853;ben_vulpes;odd image
1077883;1427575859;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al.: instructive re: earlier thread today >> https://octopart.com/search?q=sata&filter%5Bfields%5D%5Bcategory_uids%5D%5B%5D=c8d405def9791313&start=0&filter%5Bfields%5D%5Bavg_avail%5D%5B%5D=%5B1%20TO%20*%5D
1077884;1427575860;assbot;  sata - Octopart ... ( http://bit.ly/1EhClkM )
1077885;1427575871;asciilifeform;^ note the prices.
1077886;1427576030;asciilifeform;summary: the cheapest commercially-advertised microcontroller with integrates sata costs more than 'pogo' even in qty. 10,000+.
1077887;1427576036;asciilifeform;-the chip alone.-
1077888;1427576059;asciilifeform;not even speaking of board, ram, ethernet magnetics & connector, ..., ....
1077889;1427576071;asciilifeform;commercially, that is, in the public english-speaking world.
1077890;1427576113;asciilifeform;i am very much hoping to be proven mistaken about this!
1077891;1427576134;asciilifeform;(and no, didn't only check the meta-search engine 'octopart' but every single one of my favourite suppliers.)
1077892;1427576358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00028071 = 6.4563 BTC [+] {2} 
1077893;1427576762;nubbins`;asciilifeform re: octopart: lel, think we can run turdel on an Atmel Butterfly? :S
1077894;1427576845;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> anyone know a fast and painless way to make subtitles for a youtube ? <<< http://captiongenerator.com/
1077895;1427576846;assbot;Add Captions to Any Youtube Video - Caption Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1EhFMbo )
1077896;1427576860;nubbins`;mircea_popescu also for top lel: http://captiongenerator.com/29786/woodcollector-hitler
1077897;1427576861;assbot;woodcollector hitler - Caption Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1EhFNMq )
1077898;1427576908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45350 @ 0.00028083 = 12.7356 BTC [+]
1077899;1427577051;asciilifeform;nubbins`: where's the sata and Gb ethernet ?
1077900;1427577075;nubbins`;dude it has a piezo speaker and a pin for your lapel, what more do you want?
1077901;1427577149;nubbins`;anyway long+short we'll never get a deal like the pogos until, well, the next pogo-like thing comes along
1077902;1427577178;nubbins`;i doubt pogo paid less than $18/unit.
1077903;1427577222;nubbins`;(for those wondering how $18 can turn profit for amazon sellers -- the current sellers are likely the ones who scooped up pallet loads at $7ea in prior years)
1077904;1427577550;jurov;http://www.cnet.com/news/iron-sky-2-nazis-lizard-people-and-hitler-on-a-t-rex/ googled too lizard hitler and... we gotta use this pic sometime
1077905;1427577552;assbot;'Iron Sky 2': Nazis, lizard people and Hitler on a T.rex - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1NprR4k )
1077906;1427577670;jurov;what about a contest - best memepic made out of it?
1077907;1427577822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00028083 = 16.3162 BTC [+]
1077908;1427578187;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a danke
1077909;1427578245;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromecast#Hardware
1077910;1427578247;assbot;Chromecast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Npua7A )
1077911;1427578296;nubbins`;MFW an avr butterfly costs more than a SATA pogo
1077912;1427578326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nice.
1077913;1427578407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in fairness, there's 0 price sensitivity from 1 to 10k. pleads against octosite being too useful.
1077914;1427578433;nubbins`;almost none of the items give price breaks beyond 100
1077915;1427578438;nubbins`;some, not even then
1077916;1427578459;mircea_popescu;yeah well...
1077917;1427578462;mircea_popescu;!up d9b4bef9
1077918;1427578513;nubbins`;hi d9b4bef9
1077919;1427578798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.0002787 = 6.9814 BTC [-] {2} 
1077920;1427579166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220370 @ 0.00027476 = 60.5489 BTC [-]
1077921;1427579313;jurov;https://medium.com/@octskyward/replace-by-fee-43edd9a1dd6d power rangers fight over messing up zeroconf
1077922;1427579314;assbot;Replace by fee — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpxEa1 )
1077923;1427579358;nubbins`;heh
1077924;1427579408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00027191 = 7.0425 BTC [-]
1077925;1427579591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00027191 = 2.5967 BTC [-]
1077926;1427579757;mircea_popescu;" Blowing up 0-confirm transactions is vandalism."
1077927;1427579777;mircea_popescu;lol at these kids. vandalism, racism, chauvinism et all. the bad words of a new generation.
1077928;1427579829;nubbins`;anything to be gained by enabling mmu support in buildroot? spidey sense says no
1077929;1427579850;mircea_popescu;i can't see what it'd help
1077930;1427579891;mircea_popescu;"It’s absolutely essential for buying stuff in shops. A currency that can’t be used to buy a newspaper on the street is not going to be seen as a real currency by the man on that street."  << again and again with this nonsense. what the "man on the street" sees or doesn't see, accepts or hates, whatever the fuck is entirely unimportant.
1077931;1427579909;mircea_popescu;not that i think the replace by fee idea is worth implementing, but the reasons given are lulzy.
1077932;1427579973;mircea_popescu;for the record : a node can do this currently, if a node feels like doing this currently. whether we like it or not is immaterial, really. some miners tried it historically, but it's generally speaking dumb an' so it never caught on.
1077933;1427579985;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> lol at these kids. vandalism, racism, chauvinism et all. the bad words of a new generation. <<< hurtyfeelism
1077934;1427580001;nubbins`;man on the street using special drawing rights to purchase a coffee
1077935;1427580009;mircea_popescu;myeah. it's just... utterly confused.
1077936;1427580051;mircea_popescu;sort-of like seeing footballers trying to reason about medicine. that's what this entire "buncha derpy kids + some usg moles debating bitcoin" looks to me : like a bunch of nfl picks got parachuted in senegal, and are now trying to get themselves cured of tb
1077937;1427580061;mircea_popescu;"maybe if we hit it really hard with THIS rock!"
1077938;1427580070;mircea_popescu;"dude you threw the rock like a girl"
1077939;1427580094;mircea_popescu;"nu uh urmom!"
1077940;1427580096;nubbins`;oh wow, osx actually shipped with bsd-tar AND gnu-tar until 10.9
1077941;1427580096;mircea_popescu;etc etc
1077942;1427580320;jurov;re: reliable computers vs. luxury cars...apples and oranges
1077943;1427580343;mircea_popescu;industrial products are industrial products. all of them. without exception. exactly the same thing.
1077944;1427580359;mircea_popescu;and, for that matter, the very people in the more "advanced" economies are by now exactly industrial products.
1077945;1427580360;jurov;i haven't heard about "luxury car" with doubled or triply-redundant engine and other stuff
1077946;1427580388;jurov;to achieve 99.9999 whatever uptime
1077947;1427580394;mircea_popescu;the exact way reliability is implemented depends more on the context neh ?
1077948;1427580399;mircea_popescu;you ever heard of car that won't start ?
1077949;1427580410;jurov;yes. and luxury ones, too
1077950;1427580414;mircea_popescu;i haven't.
1077951;1427580421;mircea_popescu;(luxury i mean)
1077952;1427580470;jurov;better comparison would be a car that can go for years without service break
1077953;1427580521;jurov;or serviceable during movement
1077954;1427580524;mircea_popescu;ok
1077955;1427580527;jurov;hence, apples and oranges
1077956;1427580573;mircea_popescu;lol @hearn : "So: money is not a mathematical construct. It’s a social construct. The fact that Bitcoin uses some fairly basic maths to coordinate social decisions over the internet doesn’t change that."
1077957;1427580586;mircea_popescu;apparently the eater-of-worlds interepretation of bitcoin got some pretty high level people involved.
1077958;1427580599;mircea_popescu;yes derps, "money" as in usd is a social construct. money as in bitcoin is not a social construct.
1077959;1427580613;mircea_popescu;this is why we're here. cause the superset of your shit is the way to clean your shit out of this world.
1077960;1427580633;nubbins`;money is not a mathematical construct?
1077961;1427580672;mircea_popescu;eh, he has a skeleton of good points, on which he plants the usual bs.
1077962;1427580678;*;nubbins` invites hearn to use money without numbers
1077963;1427580684;mircea_popescu;kinda par for the course for assets rly.
1077964;1427580699;nubbins`;what next, statistics is not a mathematical construct?
1077965;1427580717;mircea_popescu;notably, he's on medium.
1077966;1427580731;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nothing's anything and if you have a business obama made that business
1077967;1427580734;mircea_popescu;check your privilege.
1077968;1427580743;nubbins`;D:
1077969;1427580789;mircea_popescu;but anyway : usd is currently trying to use money without numbers.
1077970;1427580803;mircea_popescu;which ties in quite hysterically into the romanian expression "Fara numar"
1077971;1427580835;mircea_popescu;which is very instructive, because it's gypsytalk for "a lot of money". which is the problem of being a gypsy : very good social, very poor maths, failure to thrive in the world.
1077972;1427580894;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com/search?q=fara+numar&complete=0&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&sa=X < illustrations.
1077973;1427580895;assbot;fara numar - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpCMv4 )
1077974;1427580949;TomServo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1077008 << I'm curious to flesh this out a bit.
1077975;1427580949;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 16:44:11; mircea_popescu: Chillum completely unrelated : do you have any fucking idea how desired a bitcoin host is here ?
1077976;1427580978;mircea_popescu;TomServo you couldn't have missed it in the logs ? we want a bitcoin hosting corp.
1077977;1427580986;mircea_popescu;what rg was supposed to run before going nuts.
1077978;1427581030;TomServo;Say a guy had a nearly a racks worth a few generations old HP gear his workplace was going to get rid of.. and his own private stash of similiar era network gear.
1077979;1427581046;mircea_popescu;so start a dc.
1077980;1427581047;TomServo;And could be inspired to seek out colo pricing.. would this be of interest as a starting point?
1077981;1427581051;nubbins`;mircea_popescu lel http://i.imgur.com/NV71EV0.png
1077982;1427581052;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpDf0b )
1077983;1427581058;mircea_popescu;very
1077984;1427581070;nubbins`;(for bonus lel, "related pictures" #2)
1077985;1427581104;nubbins`;algorithm: "oh, here's a dude blowing a big hair-icicle. this works."
1077986;1427581210;mircea_popescu;nubbins` in romanian, it's a thing.
1077987;1427581248;mircea_popescu;(literally that means "unbounded talent", but in that context talent would strictly denote a whore's talent, and it is only used ironically. so it's an apt caption for a teenager derping with a faux cock)
1077988;1427581249;TomServo;mircea_popescu: I'd imagine being usian based would be a problem, tho?
1077989;1427581272;mircea_popescu;TomServo lock the cages, superglue the locks lol
1077990;1427581309;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz3lJX92ly0
1077991;1427581310;assbot;Leonard Cohen - Dress Rehearsal Rag - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpE5tS )
1077992;1427581330;TomServo;mircea_popescu: heh, I'm for it!  I'm honestly trying consider it here... though I feel I might need a financial attorney to sort everything out given my locale.
1077993;1427581330;nubbins`;if i forgot english i'd learn it again for cohen
1077994;1427581355;mircea_popescu;TomServo colocation is a service, ship them to fucking malysia if you care.
1077995;1427581417;TomServo;mircea_popescu: It's an option I suppose.. but I was thinking my hands of the hardware would be a big piece of what I'm selling.
1077996;1427581426;mircea_popescu;alrighty, that also.
1077997;1427581447;mircea_popescu;i'm just saying, the need is there. as long as you clearly advertise what exactly you do and then stick to it exactly... it'll have custom.
1077998;1427581569;TomServo;Well I'll ponder it some more and welcome any further feedback on the aging infrastructure being proposed and it's utility.
1077999;1427581584;TomServo;its* :)
1078000;1427581651;mircea_popescu;the one serious problem for you, or anyone else trying to do business in the us (say, cisco) is that sooner or later your government will try and rape you with those "secret legal proceedings" bs.
1078001;1427581680;mircea_popescu;at that point, you'll be in the lavamail seat. either you become complicit with the criminals, or else you'll be prosecuted by the criminals.
1078002;1427581716;mircea_popescu;(either side's claim as to the criminality of the other being unresolvable, since no rule of law, since "secret proceedings")
1078003;1427581909;TomServo;Right, so doing this in the US is simply untenable - no?
1078004;1427581920;mircea_popescu;but i guess you could do something like the traditional "We have received no unmentionable paperwork from local band of criminals" monthly announcement
1078005;1427581926;mircea_popescu;since you can't be legally compelled to actually lie.
1078006;1427581932;mircea_popescu;it'll be a tough walk tho.
1078007;1427581952;mircea_popescu;well, it's tenable if you're looking to pick a fight.
1078008;1427581958;TomServo;This being the 'warrant canary'?
1078009;1427581964;mircea_popescu;yea
1078010;1427582131;trinque;http://justsecurity.org/20850/government-slight-concession-twitters-warrant-canary-suit/
1078011;1427582132;assbot;US Government Makes Slight Concession in Twitter’s Warrant-Canary Suit | Just Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpGODx )
1078012;1427582135;jurov;TomServo: I want to do hosting too, but wanted a partner
1078013;1427582145;trinque;"the government concedes that companies who have never received any kind of national-security request from the government and who are not bound by other nondisclosure provisions vis-à-vis the government may lawfully publish warrant canaries publicizing that fact."
1078014;1427582151;trinque;so, better start with one, it seems
1078015;1427582196;trinque;other relevant info worth reading there
1078016;1427582236;TomServo;jurov: Thoughts on the discussion so far?
1078017;1427582296;jurov;physical hw location does not matter to me, can be the best korea or whatever
1078018;1427582316;jurov;and if you did not have the offer, i can shop around here
1078019;1427582356;jurov;or perhaps having both us and eu right from the start would be best
1078020;1427582402;mircea_popescu;ah yes, the famous rsync one http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt
1078021;1427582402;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xo959M )
1078022;1427582415;mircea_popescu;but they use a shitty signature shceme and wtf, reference bitcoin block hashes already
1078023;1427582439;mircea_popescu;jurov eu understood as slovakia is particularly useful.
1078024;1427582458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49437 @ 0.00027288 = 13.4904 BTC [+] {2} 
1078025;1427582529;jurov;yes, it may end up in czech rep or so
1078026;1427582582;trinque;asciilifeform: any opposition to me adding a parameter for a few predefined architectures in auto.sh?
1078027;1427582583;mircea_popescu;the czechs should totally go back to kingdom
1078028;1427582600;trinque;I've got it cross-compiling nicely from a gentoo host, currently munching through boost
1078029;1427582614;mats;i wouldn't mind lending a hand if you're looking for help
1078030;1427582627;trinque;ben_vulpes: "monkey humping a football" << couldn't be a more apt description of the process I used to get crossdev working with auto.sh
1078031;1427582629;funkenstein_;i have used bitcoincloud.eu with no trouble yet
1078032;1427582633;TomServo;jurov: what do you mean 'not have the offer'?
1078033;1427582641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101500 @ 0.00027566 = 27.9795 BTC [+] {2} 
1078034;1427582680;jurov;you consider hosting because you got the gear offered, no?
1078035;1427582760;TomServo;I'm interested in the prospect in general.. the hardware availablity just being a perk.  I was curious if there was legitmate interest in this hardware specifically.
1078036;1427582814;jurov;if it does not have features like iLO remote pwnkit, that is considered plus here
1078037;1427582824;mircea_popescu;lol
1078038;1427582875;TomServo;heh of course.. unfortunately.. these have it.
1078039;1427582889;mircea_popescu;b-a sourced host, this should be interesting.
1078040;1427582938;mircea_popescu;jurov "HP iLO - The preferred IT administrator in every ProLiant server" you fudster you.
1078041;1427582967;mircea_popescu;"HP iLO functions out-of-the-box without additional software installation regardless of the servers' state of operation giving you complete access to your server from any location via a web browser or the iLO Mobile App"
1078042;1427582977;mircea_popescu;i hope it has ssl. you know, for the api.
1078043;1427583007;jurov;overall, being able to learn on cheap older stuff is nice to have
1078044;1427583008;mircea_popescu;TomServo incidentally, they being your machines, you can take a hammer at parts.
1078045;1427583014;jurov;imo
1078046;1427583029;TomServo;I agree.
1078047;1427583043;mircea_popescu;"what's the most important tool in the arsenal of the security consultant ?"
1078048;1427583047;mircea_popescu;"a #3 chisel"
1078049;1427583124;*;trinque wonders what the fuck python headers have to do with boost
1078050;1427583172;jurov;do you have USE=python set?
1078051;1427583183;jurov;it may be the default
1078052;1427583186;trinque;jurov: just running the auto.sh
1078053;1427583195;trinque;probably lots to be snipped out of the boost config
1078054;1427583198;trinque;probably better to snip boost
1078055;1427583224;jurov;this was discussed
1078056;1427583237;trinque;I am well aware, just marveling at what I see in my terminal
1078057;1427583254;jurov;and conclusion was, that any bigger c++ project needs it (or poor reimplementation of it)
1078058;1427583261;jurov;kk
1078059;1427583341;jurov;so, TomServo?
1078060;1427583440;TomServo;jurov: I'ma thinking.
1078061;1427583726;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem
1078062;1427583771;ascii_modem;nubbins': linux with disabled mmu id... msdos!! in the bad sense
1078063;1427583784;ascii_modem;*is
1078064;1427583820;ascii_modem;in machine shop, ugh, cold fingers
1078065;1427583890;mircea_popescu;why would you want to do software mmu ?
1078066;1427583923;ascii_modem;0 price sensitivity below 10k << false for all common parts. try it
1078067;1427583933;ascii_modem;software mmu?!
1078068;1427583936;ascii_modem;lol
1078069;1427583945;mircea_popescu;what is it doing in linux then ?
1078070;1427583947;*;mircea_popescu confused
1078071;1427583971;ascii_modem;support -for- mmu
1078072;1427583989;mircea_popescu;*tripletake*
1078073;1427583992;mircea_popescu;oohhh.
1078074;1427584000;mircea_popescu;thanks god someone reads these logs o.O
1078075;1427584013;ascii_modem;but yeah for uniquely impoverished archs there is mmuless linux
1078076;1427584044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54376 @ 0.00027611 = 15.0138 BTC [+] {2} 
1078077;1427584215;mircea_popescu;!up odyjm
1078078;1427584222;ascii_modem;canary << mega-lol, apple killed their canary. who noticed, who remembers now ?
1078079;1427584265;mircea_popescu;me.
1078080;1427584268;ben_vulpes;i noticed.
1078081;1427584273;ben_vulpes;everyone i work with knows.
1078082;1427584273;ascii_modem;and me aha
1078083;1427584281;mircea_popescu;what, you think i don't like apple because of its hairdo ?
1078084;1427584323;ben_vulpes;weird hairdos come with good bjs
1078085;1427584329;ben_vulpes;(sometimes)
1078086;1427584332;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/e11f97d0aed79e6d22c67e293d63ecc3/tumblr_mx97scN9DM1s78jo7o1_1280.jpg << country bumpkin reaches california. first day, burn the tits. next day, burn the butt.
1078087;1427584333;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJz8Zh )
1078088;1427584335;ben_vulpes;but this weird hairdo has the clap
1078089;1427584349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51107 @ 0.00027137 = 13.8689 BTC [-] {3} 
1078090;1427584356;mircea_popescu;"don't like" != "weird" mr.
1078091;1427584461;TomServo;ascii_modem | canary << was hoping this would be mentioned.  So what is the value? zilch?
1078092;1427584487;mircea_popescu;pre dropping or post ?
1078093;1427584528;TomServo;the apple case specifically
1078094;1427584544;ben_vulpes;the honor of a few at the top. maybe. if they get out and come here.
1078095;1427584596;ben_vulpes;for a btc host, not a bad idea. low cost.
1078096;1427584614;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in a mexican jail, http://41.media.tumblr.com/aba956207a733186c3f6b54d0b45de34/tumblr_mjeeokHoua1s78jo7o1_1280.jpg
1078097;1427584615;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19c4490 )
1078098;1427585030;jurov;http://fortune.com/2015/03/10/american-millennials-are-among-the-worlds-least-skilled/ hue
1078099;1427585031;assbot;American Millennials are among the world's least skilled - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJA8gc )
1078100;1427585385;*;asciilifeform set up enormous power saw, other things, back now
1078101;1427585431;mircea_popescu;not surprising.
1078102;1427585442;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least they challenged patriarchy.
1078103;1427585454;asciilifeform;mexican jail << possibly favourite of all the pics i've seen so far here
1078104;1427585485;ben_vulpes;* asciilifeform set up enormous power saw << pics?
1078105;1427585494;asciilifeform;it's a 'hitachi'
1078106;1427585500;asciilifeform;did not occur to me to take a photo
1078107;1427585504;asciilifeform;everyone already has this saw.
1078108;1427585508;ben_vulpes;chop?
1078109;1427585509;asciilifeform;(recced by diametric)
1078110;1427585531;jurov;my mom was using "husqvarna"
1078111;1427585535;jurov;sewing machine.
1078112;1427585538;mircea_popescu;When the results were analyzed by age group and nationality, ETS got a shock. It turns out, says a new report, that Millennials in the U.S. fall short when it comes to the skills employers want most: literacy (including the ability to follow simple instructions), practical math, and — hold on to your hat — a category called “problem-solving in technology-rich environments.”
1078113;1427585554;asciilifeform;http://www.hitachipowertools.com/images/product/saws/miter_saws/C10FSH.jpg << that one
1078114;1427585555;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJAPpO )
1078115;1427585555;ben_vulpes;really?
1078116;1427585561;mircea_popescu;"Not only do Gen Y Americans lag far behind their overseas peers by every measure, but they even score lower than other age groups of Americans."
1078117;1427585574;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: coulda sworm you said "enormous"...
1078118;1427585592;asciilifeform;enormous compared to the tiny jeweler's saw i'm accustomed to
1078119;1427585597;ben_vulpes;ah
1078120;1427585607;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes probably imagined meat processing plant chopper for whole pigs / corpses
1078121;1427585612;funkenstein_;ETS got a shock <--   the funny bit
1078122;1427585625;mircea_popescu;Altogether, the top U.S. Gen Yers, in the 90th percentile, “scored lower than their counterparts in 15 countries,” the report notes, “and only scored higher than their peers in Spain.”
1078123;1427585632;mircea_popescu;pretty much exactly what one expected.
1078124;1427585632;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i was honestly wondering about its orientation and axes of articulation.
1078125;1427585643;trinque;mircea_popescu: the simple instructions bit is as much mental illness as it is literacy
1078126;1427585648;asciilifeform;^
1078127;1427585668;trinque;and that is largely due to terrible upbringing and terrible diet through formative years
1078128;1427585684;trinque;current generation and below is probably irreparably fucked
1078129;1427585691;mircea_popescu;diet has possibly less to do with it than gayness.
1078130;1427585705;trinque;dunno, does mountain dew *cause* gayness?
1078131;1427585707;mircea_popescu;well... "gayness", the faux cultural homosexuality the us came up with to try and avoid facing the actual problem
1078132;1427585753;mircea_popescu;anyway, human populations are not linear. the current twentysomething/late teens are completely discardable out of hand, like so much rag.
1078133;1427585759;mircea_popescu;however, the next one will probably shine.
1078134;1427585762;mircea_popescu;generations alternate.
1078135;1427585776;ben_vulpes;actual problems to cut their teeth on.
1078136;1427585777;mircea_popescu;in any case, it's for the nine year olds we're even building all this wot bitcoin etc stack
1078137;1427585792;*;trinque nods
1078138;1427585810;mircea_popescu;but when 2025 rolls around and late 30s/early 40s dumb fat fucks inquire as to why we're fucking teenagers
1078139;1427585822;mircea_popescu;the answer will be a uniform, resounding "because you're fucking stupid"
1078140;1427585838;mircea_popescu;"every chance you had, you blew it!"
1078141;1427585839;trinque;I'm trying to find a figure on the number of USAians on psychiatric meds
1078142;1427585842;trinque;...it's high, whatever it is
1078143;1427585848;mircea_popescu;like a third ?
1078144;1427585861;trinque;that or higher, I'd wager
1078145;1427585874;asciilifeform;counting the ones in the drinking water or no ?
1078146;1427585875;trinque;one thing I wait eagerly to see is when those run dry
1078147;1427585894;trinque;asciilifeform: no, but of course all pollutants come to the party
1078148;1427585898;mircea_popescu;What does that mean for U.S. employers hiring people born since 1980? Goodman notes that hiring managers shouldn’t overestimate the practical value of a four-year degree. True, U.S. Millennials with college credentials did score higher on the PIAAC than Americans with only a high school diploma (albeit less well than college grads in most other countries).
1078149;1427585917;mircea_popescu;lmao! most expensive mit in the world. also only place in the world where mit grads can not use a battery to light a bulb.
1078150;1427585950;asciilifeform;the exam that only measures what it wants to measure and not first and mostly willingness-to-do-exam is not yet born
1078151;1427585952;mircea_popescu;trinque in general nature has well designed things : junkies in withdrawal are ineffectual.
1078152;1427585977;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the notion one even gets a choice in that matter is pernicious.
1078153;1427585986;asciilifeform;in what ?
1078154;1427585990;mircea_popescu;kinda why you want to hang all kids that do under x.
1078155;1427585995;asciilifeform;aha that
1078156;1427586002;mircea_popescu;that way, the "willingness to do exam" is less divergent.
1078157;1427586008;asciilifeform;yeah i've for many years wanted to see the 'iq exam' thing automated
1078158;1427586034;asciilifeform;as in, there's a piraña pit trap door
1078159;1427586036;asciilifeform;which opens.
1078160;1427586057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00028083 = 2.2466 BTC [+]
1078161;1427586059;trinque;ahaha, asciilifeform is a bond villain
1078162;1427586075;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/900eef46da7c13a7fa7cc84362e4b4ce/tumblr_mjefgkz3Zj1s78jo7o1_1280.jpg << this too alf ?
1078163;1427586076;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJBAiH )
1078164;1427586089;asciilifeform;this less
1078165;1427586092;asciilifeform;but similar.
1078166;1427586147;mircea_popescu;how about http://41.media.tumblr.com/361fb40b8fe63114ef35b350f3fb66f4/tumblr_mjefebG4dN1s78jo7o1_1280.jpg ?
1078167;1427586147;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJBGql )
1078168;1427586149;mircea_popescu;!up zen_
1078169;1427586158;asciilifeform;aha
1078170;1427586160;asciilifeform;not sure why
1078171;1427586161;asciilifeform;but yes.
1078172;1427586163;trinque;lol
1078173;1427586167;mircea_popescu;because girls playing in the bath ? lol.
1078174;1427586169;mircea_popescu;classical theme.
1078175;1427586174;asciilifeform;not the bath, no
1078176;1427586181;asciilifeform;they look like actual gurlz
1078177;1427586190;asciilifeform;vs the bizarre kabuki thing that i never imprinted on
1078178;1427586198;mircea_popescu;oh ic.
1078179;1427586216;mircea_popescu;best kept secret by patriarchy : men actulaly like women.
1078180;1427586270;nubbins`;<+ascii_modem> nubbins': linux with disabled mmu id... msdos!! in the bad sense <<< omg this is why i shop here!
1078181;1427586385;asciilifeform;22:13:05 up 1 day, 22:13,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
1078182;1427587765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00027849 = 14.1194 BTC [-]
1078183;1427588101;nubbins`;"By default this override file is named local.mk and located in the top directory of the Buildroot source tree, but a different location can be specified through the BR2_PACKAGE_OVERRIDE_FILE configuration option."
1078184;1427588118;nubbins`;lies, no such file exists!
1078185;1427588204;trinque;"...on 400th target..."
1078186;1427588219;trinque;boost is the fire swamp
1078187;1427588219;asciilifeform;nubbins`: could wait till i post this, you know
1078188;1427588249;asciilifeform;i'm in the process of slicing out all of the actually relevant changes
1078189;1427588642;nubbins`;heh. i'm actually just trying to feed in my own tar right now
1078190;1427588664;nubbins`;practice, if nothing else
1078191;1427588674;trinque;"...failed updating 3 targets..." BOOOOOOST.
1078192;1427588715;nubbins`;^ <+nubbins`> practice, if nothing else
1078193;1427588751;nubbins`;tbh a fair percentage of my programming knowledge comes from hunting down stupid compile errors
1078194;1427588759;nubbins`;like on the order of 80%+
1078195;1427588762;trinque;eh I know the drill
1078196;1427588769;trinque;boost is absurdly complex tho
1078197;1427588796;trinque;I used it long ago working on a parental controls thing at a shartup
1078198;1427588798;nubbins`;in fairness, the work behind presenting you a bash prompt is absurdly complex 8)
1078199;1427588808;nubbins`;a shartup :0
1078200;1427588810;trinque;an ass hair, the same from a perspective
1078201;1427588820;trinque;nubbins`: oh yeah, big time
1078202;1427588827;trinque;ruby on rails, and wads o boost c++
1078203;1427589126;nubbins`;phun joke for people who work in offices: wander over to helpdesk and say "man, i found this usb stick in the parking lot and now my computer's acting /crazy/"
1078204;1427589147;trinque;heh!
1078205;1427589229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95371 @ 0.00027418 = 26.1488 BTC [-] {4} 
1078206;1427589261;mod6;<+jurov> my mom was using "husqvarna" << they make my favorite chainsaws / best chainsaws imho
1078207;1427589900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 324150 @ 0.00028134 = 91.1964 BTC [+] {4} 
1078208;1427590111;trinque;hm, boost wants bzip2 even though it's been instructed to not use that
1078209;1427590157;trinque;that's about all the monkey-football time I have for today
1078210;1427590721;mircea_popescu;your instructions have no power here.
1078211;1427590925;mircea_popescu;in other news, pot makes one fat. proof inside : http://40.media.tumblr.com/45312d5667ec719da8582897f6e78cd4/tumblr_mj7tt10qNE1s78jo7o1_500.jpg
1078212;1427590926;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6yIw6 )
1078213;1427591135;nubbins`;i was fat before pot
1078214;1427591216;mircea_popescu;lol
1078215;1427591362;trinque;gotta eat before you smoke!
1078216;1427591381;trinque;man that chick... I bet she smells bad; they always do
1078217;1427591733;asciilifeform;who's they
1078218;1427592189;cazalla;while i await danielpbarron's response, anyone want to suggest why the pogo flashes green after following his guide after a reboot?
1078219;1427592214;asciilifeform;cazalla: iirc that's the default left by uboot
1078220;1427592265;cazalla;oh i forgot to mention, can no longer ssh to it or anything
1078221;1427592738;asciilifeform;cazalla: serial port?
1078222;1427592760;ben_vulpes;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/technology/ellen-pao-kleiner-perkins-case-decision.html?_r=0
1078223;1427592762;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpFvTg )
1078224;1427592798;trinque;asciilifeform: "stoner chicks"
1078225;1427592811;asciilifeform;trinque: why would that be
1078226;1427592813;ben_vulpes;tl;dr: kleiner perkins wins, modern french revolutionaries proclaim great victory
1078227;1427592822;ben_vulpes;"at least the cause has been moved forwards!"
1078228;1427592850;ben_vulpes;i had a massive change of heart at lunch today
1078229;1427592861;*;asciilifeform read that earlier today, but had a mindfuck and thought it was about perkin elmer
1078230;1427592863;ben_vulpes;i am officially in favor of every welfare and spending plan in america
1078231;1427592864;cazalla;asciilifeform, something i can pursue next weekend i guess
1078232;1427592879;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'heightening the contradictions' ?
1078233;1427592911;ben_vulpes;the more distracted by sexual inequality, gender inequality, income inequality, and the more attention they're paying to the management of the epic bureaucracy so built, the less time and energy will be devoted to the impending conflicts.
1078234;1427592922;ben_vulpes;more along the lines of draining the battery, asciilifeform.
1078235;1427592932;ben_vulpes;universal healthcare? fuck yes!
1078236;1427592939;mircea_popescu;congrats, you are now clinton.
1078237;1427592952;asciilifeform;at the risk of mixing metaphors, the battery is powered by burning the (remaining) furniture.
1078238;1427592954;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure the woman is thinking, and im pretty sure this is what.
1078239;1427592955;ben_vulpes;universal jobs program?
1078240;1427592957;ben_vulpes;go for it!
1078241;1427592971;ben_vulpes;robot horses?
1078242;1427592973;ben_vulpes;why not?
1078243;1427592980;trinque;inverse of "starve the beast"
1078244;1427592982;trinque;gorge til death!
1078245;1427592983;ben_vulpes;jets that fly like shitty helicopters and cost a bezzilion?
1078246;1427592985;trinque;I like it
1078247;1427592985;ben_vulpes;DO IT
1078248;1427593006;ben_vulpes;those remaining fat reserves? eat 'em.
1078249;1427593019;ben_vulpes;dig in and enjoy while it lasts, piggies.
1078250;1427593022;mircea_popescu;there's a reason that story of mine is set at a feast.
1078251;1427593025;mircea_popescu;appetite lacking, but anyway.
1078252;1427593033;asciilifeform;can't speak for ben_vulpes, but no one came and asked me if the jets should be built
1078253;1427593043;asciilifeform;so having a position on the matter feels odd
1078254;1427593055;ben_vulpes;it constrains conversational attack surface
1078255;1427593056;mircea_popescu;get with the social media age alfie.
1078256;1427593076;asciilifeform;l0l mr o polls, 'should grumman get another $tril' ?
1078257;1427593094;mircea_popescu;kickstart it.
1078258;1427593108;trinque;I heard lockheed martin is going to build the enterprise with a fusion reactor
1078259;1427593111;trinque;*upvote*
1078260;1427593111;asciilifeform;suckstarter.
1078261;1427593122;asciilifeform;(as in harley)
1078262;1427593156;mircea_popescu;as in bad lay
1078263;1427593199;asciilifeform;someone, iirc al schwartz, described his sister as 'could suckstart a harley'
1078264;1427593262;mircea_popescu;men reach a certain age where the only way they're fucking anything is if that anything sucks them off first.
1078265;1427593293;mircea_popescu;hence a very cold reception to much younger men's ideas about "couldn't abstain"
1078266;1427593302;mircea_popescu;nigga, say wut ? rape her ? youredoingitwrong.
1078267;1427593307;asciilifeform;in othere news
1078268;1427593309;asciilifeform;we have sata.
1078269;1427593316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81003 @ 0.0002678 = 21.6926 BTC [-] {3} 
1078270;1427593329;mircea_popescu;good news.
1078271;1427593360;asciilifeform;... aaand
1078272;1427593365;asciilifeform;chucked all the extra crud
1078273;1427593367;asciilifeform;from kernel
1078274;1427593390;mircea_popescu;3.5 mb/
1078275;1427593416;asciilifeform;not size that matters so much
1078276;1427593422;asciilifeform;but brain footprint
1078277;1427593477;asciilifeform;drive mounts.
1078278;1427593481;asciilifeform;yes, that weird sandisk.
1078279;1427593497;asciilifeform;sd and usb also work.
1078280;1427593870;asciilifeform;boot time, from end of udev pause, is ~3 sec.
1078281;1427593937;mircea_popescu;nioce.
1078282;1427594543;asciilifeform;927d52a91421ad608ceaf011e56aa91d18f478f81707a8774bc0cbdb146621f5118b35c640b376cdcaef206be98b520802f1f749e387b1b4876d6a6a0d080bd1  turdel-now-with-sata.gz
1078283;1427594579;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel-now-with-sata.gz
1078284;1427594829;decimation;asciilifeform: re: rf quiet pc < the original IBM AT came in a heavy metal case, fully shielded
1078285;1427594850;asciilifeform;shielded but for the keyboard, display..
1078286;1427594853;asciilifeform;power
1078287;1427594868;asciilifeform;'heavy metal case' is not the same as 'tempest shield' regardless of appearances
1078288;1427594878;asciilifeform;though it beats plastic
1078289;1427595245;decimation;asciilifeform: agreed
1078290;1427595261;decimation;but to get actual tempest shield request spending golden toilet money
1078291;1427595335;decimation;the best approximation one can get as a civilian is to purchase FCC "class B" devices
1078292;1427595823;decimation;golden toilet lcd displays > http://www.apitech.com/product-classes/sst-emcon-tempest-monitors
1078293;1427595824;assbot;SST / EMCON TEMPEST Monitors | API Technologies ... ( http://bit.ly/1yodbKb )
1078294;1427596594;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.theamphour.com/241-an-interview-with-chuck-peddle-charismatic-chipmaking-coryphaeus/ < chuck peddle claims in the middle of this 2.5 hour podcast that his new 'hybrid DRAM/FLASH ssd drive' contains 11 6502 uC's
1078295;1427596595;assbot;An Interview With Chuck Peddle - Charismatic Chipmaking Coryphaeus | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1yoevNa )
1078296;1427596634;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, danielpbarron, punkman, nubbins`, et al:
1078297;1427596640;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1078298;1427596641;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html
1078299;1427596642;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yoeybM )
1078300;1427596651;asciilifeform;'Presenting... Build your own Pogotron.'
1078301;1427596665;asciilifeform;tested the result, too
1078302;1427596677;asciilifeform;should take about 20 min. on a typical box, to build the WHOLE ORCHESTRA
1078303;1427596680;asciilifeform;incl. compilers.
1078304;1427596789;asciilifeform;^^^^^^ thing i promised mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068981
1078305;1427596789;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 22:31:11; mircea_popescu: well, how soon can we have it ?
1078306;1427596792;asciilifeform;is here.
1078307;1427596796;decimation;congrats asciilifeform
1078308;1427596799;mircea_popescu;lalala
1078309;1427596804;asciilifeform;gentlemen, start yer enginez
1078310;1427596813;decimation;I need to download one from amazon
1078311;1427596816;trinque;bravo
1078312;1427596848;trinque;asciilifeform: am meeting up with ben_vulpes and other friends tonight, and I'll bring along the pogo
1078313;1427596854;mircea_popescu;ah how splendid.
1078314;1427596857;asciilifeform;the cookbook is brutally terse, if any of it isn't obvious plz ask while i'm awake
1078315;1427596865;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron manual asap!
1078316;1427596869;decimation;asciilifeform: was this run on your gentoo box?
1078317;1427596873;asciilifeform;aha
1078318;1427596879;asciilifeform;it ought to run on any reasonable unix though
1078319;1427596883;asciilifeform;uses nothing local but gcc
1078320;1427596924;mircea_popescu;anyone know like a nude housekeeper service in dc or something ?
1078321;1427596924;trinque;asciilifeform: I tried the crossdev compile of bitcoind and got as far as boost hell regarding bzip2
1078322;1427596928;decimation;ja but does it depend on particular gcc to bootstrap?
1078323;1427596939;asciilifeform;trinque: note that bitcoind is not included in this yet
1078324;1427596943;trinque;but have working cross compilation tooling otherwise, which farts executibles agreeable to the pogo
1078325;1427596946;trinque;yep
1078326;1427596956;asciilifeform;decimation: i only tried it on 4.8.x
1078327;1427596968;asciilifeform;decimation: if you have something unusually archaic, may have problems
1078328;1427596985;decimation;k.
1078329;1427596999;asciilifeform;somebody at least build this plz.
1078330;1427597004;asciilifeform;even if no pogo.
1078331;1427597012;trinque;asciilifeform: ben_vulpes and I shall shortly
1078332;1427597013;asciilifeform;you will get a kernel image (also contains rootfs)
1078333;1427597014;decimation;I'll try on my rhel6 vm
1078334;1427597016;trinque;"hack night"
1078335;1427597017;asciilifeform;neato
1078336;1427597069;asciilifeform;the Gb ethernet, 3Gb/s sata, sd card, usb - work
1078337;1427597080;asciilifeform;have not yet tested led or button.
1078338;1427597118;asciilifeform;i also eliminated all the standard crud that kernel wants to have by default - support for usb hid, mice, keyboards, framebuffers, and anything whatsoever whose purpose i did not know
1078339;1427597119;asciilifeform;gone.
1078340;1427597142;asciilifeform;if i missed something - shoot it, don't hesitate
1078341;1427597159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33280 @ 0.00027739 = 9.2315 BTC [+]
1078342;1427597166;asciilifeform;one little warning - 'buildroot' is dumb as a rock, you will have to 'make clean all' just about every time
1078343;1427597173;asciilifeform;(every time you change anything)
1078344;1427597195;asciilifeform;doesn't nuke the compiler though, iirc
1078345;1427597205;asciilifeform;a rebuild is about 6 min. on my box.
1078346;1427597393;mircea_popescu;Probably more. <<  i don't see wut more.
1078347;1427597396;asciilifeform;for those who don't know - 'buildroot' does -not- use your local crossdev tooling, should you have any
1078348;1427597402;asciilifeform;it builds own world.
1078349;1427597410;mircea_popescu;trinque / ben_vulpes hack a uboot module while at it!
1078350;1427597420;asciilifeform;ah and this thing builds uboot
1078351;1427597425;asciilifeform;but i have not tested the one it makes
1078352;1427597429;asciilifeform;i am using the one i made.
1078353;1427597430;trinque;mircea_popescu: what should it do?
1078354;1427597435;mircea_popescu;not necessarily one we'll use, just to get the hang of it
1078355;1427597443;mircea_popescu;it should compile a pogo bitcoind
1078356;1427597443;trinque;I installed uboot on my pogo already
1078357;1427597447;mircea_popescu;nono.
1078358;1427597454;mircea_popescu;bitcoind as ubut module
1078359;1427597466;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought about this
1078360;1427597481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha!
1078361;1427597484;trinque;interesting, I'll have to look into precisely what that'd mean
1078362;1427597490;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't a particularly great substitute for a unix, unfortunately
1078363;1427597492;mircea_popescu;which is why i say trinque :)
1078364;1427597495;trinque;lol
1078365;1427597508;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform huge step forward from all the other people way in the back.
1078366;1427597510;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: missing any kind of i/o scheduler, or, more importantly, task slicer
1078367;1427597517;asciilifeform;(scheduler)
1078368;1427597533;asciilifeform;(bitcoind is threaded)
1078369;1427597534;trinque;yeah we'll look at it
1078370;1427597540;asciilifeform;or dos port would have been simple.
1078371;1427597541;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is, but the pogo is single core neh ?
1078372;1427597545;asciilifeform;aha
1078373;1427597550;mircea_popescu;so then not THAT big of a deal
1078374;1427597558;asciilifeform;this is roughly close in sweat level to an msdos port
1078375;1427597595;trinque;I'm about certain this is beyond the scope of this evening or one six pack of beer
1078376;1427597600;trinque;:D
1078377;1427597643;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform who knows what whiz kidz come up with.
1078378;1427597688;trinque;uboot is basically grub for this thing, yeah?
1078379;1427597708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110920 @ 0.00027739 = 30.7681 BTC [+]
1078380;1427597714;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << congrats on the pogotron, ascii!
1078381;1427597714;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yogaSI )
1078382;1427597726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i certainly intend to sit bitcoin down on the metal. on possibly even this machine. but will probably use ada's spark bare metal for it.
1078383;1427597728;asciilifeform;and not today.
1078384;1427597753;asciilifeform;trinque: sorta like grub.
1078385;1427597755;mircea_popescu;wait, ada to compile a c environment ?!
1078386;1427597759;asciilifeform;neh
1078387;1427597764;asciilifeform;for the final solution.
1078388;1427597775;mircea_popescu;yeah well, at the chestnut cafe, that.
1078389;1427597778;asciilifeform;aha.
1078390;1427597801;mircea_popescu;trinque grub doesn't actually prep anything, just runs it
1078391;1427597817;asciilifeform;grub does init surprisingly much
1078392;1427597829;asciilifeform;(iirc it can even set up x64 mode if asked)
1078393;1427597834;trinque;mircea_popescu: this is likely out of my league
1078394;1427597841;asciilifeform;but grub is x86-centric
1078395;1427597882;mircea_popescu;vacuum : http://36.media.tumblr.com/8bdec86fef97623cea1fe3104435453b/tumblr_n9bycls3rl1r5k682o1_1280.jpg
1078396;1427597883;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yogpxl )
1078397;1427597889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've never done that much with it.
1078398;1427597893;trinque;when it comes to how it might poke storage, no idea
1078399;1427597915;trinque;is there some way to bolt a program directly to a kernel?
1078400;1427597917;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'menstrual extraction' ?
1078401;1427597937;trinque;seems like you end up with what asciilifeform already has
1078402;1427597948;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thinbk just plain weird.
1078403;1427597958;mircea_popescu;trinque you could make it a kernel module
1078404;1427597987;*;asciilifeform also considered this
1078405;1427597996;*;asciilifeform did not like the lack of process separation inherent in it
1078406;1427598007;asciilifeform;wedged bitcoind - wedged machine
1078407;1427598033;*;asciilifeform has been thinking about this for a long time.
1078408;1427598044;mircea_popescu;yeah it's not optimal, but he wanted to bolt it.
1078409;1427598065;trinque;I'd have to do some reading before I'm sure what I'd want
1078410;1427598067;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... eventually the only thing bitcoind can be is an os.
1078411;1427598073;asciilifeform;aha.
1078412;1427598091;asciilifeform;i'd go further
1078413;1427598094;asciilifeform;... a device.
1078414;1427598116;mircea_popescu;i dunno i'd go for that
1078415;1427598122;mircea_popescu;you may have to change it in a warzone.
1078416;1427598147;asciilifeform;easy to swap device, no ?
1078417;1427598187;mircea_popescu;no. because you don't have a fab.
1078418;1427598202;mircea_popescu;making the code carved in stone is imo a bad move.
1078419;1427598210;asciilifeform;i didn't say 'custom ic'
1078420;1427598214;asciilifeform;i said 'device'
1078421;1427598215;trinque;what's the derpiest unix like kernel this thing would build on?
1078422;1427598218;mircea_popescu;then it's an os.
1078423;1427598222;asciilifeform;as in, a box that isn't used for anything else.
1078424;1427598231;mircea_popescu;oh. well that's what it being an os means he ?
1078425;1427598234;asciilifeform;and custom si doesn't imply 'set in stone' necessarily
1078426;1427598247;asciilifeform;could very easily be a bitcoind-optimized cpu arch.
1078427;1427598260;asciilifeform;(with support for bounds checking and other adaisms)
1078428;1427598269;mircea_popescu;that, sure.
1078429;1427598273;asciilifeform;but this is for after the war.
1078430;1427598275;mircea_popescu;once you got the os, optimize hw for it.
1078431;1427598284;mircea_popescu;no, actually, this will be right in the middle of the war.
1078432;1427598310;asciilifeform;if i make it to the middle - i do it. otherwise, trying to leave enough of a record here for the next fella.
1078433;1427598323;mircea_popescu;in other news, lol! http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu1z67hEqL1r5k682o1_1280.jpg
1078434;1427598325;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yoh2H4 )
1078435;1427598362;asciilifeform;wat
1078436;1427598389;asciilifeform;# uname -a
1078437;1427598389;asciilifeform;Linux therealbitcoin 3.18.1-therealbitcoin.org #2 PREEMPT Sat Mar 28 22:09:20 EDT 2015 armv5tel GNU/Linux
1078438;1427598395;asciilifeform;^ is what you get if built correctly.
1078439;1427598402;asciilifeform;with your date/time
1078440;1427598424;trinque;asciilifeform: chewing through a gcc build atm, looks good so far
1078441;1427598430;decimation;asciilifeform: sigh "../gnu/at-func.c: In function 'setxattrat': xattr-at.c:36:20: error: too few arguments to function 'setxattr' #define AT_FUNC_F1 setxattr" < I'm looking into it
1078442;1427598440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200518 @ 0.00026711 = 53.5604 BTC [-] {3} 
1078443;1427598445;asciilifeform;decimation: what machine / gcc ?
1078444;1427598453;nubbins`;<+asciilifeform> achtung, panzers! << woo!
1078445;1427598459;asciilifeform;decimation: because this is a buildrootism and has nothing to do with me
1078446;1427598515;nubbins`;<+cazalla> while i await danielpbarron's response, anyone want to suggest why the pogo flashes green after following his guide after a reboot? <<< i fucked up setting some of the fw_setenv parameters. you'll prolly need to serial into it, next time use fw_printenv to double check all your boot cmds before you commit
1078447;1427598535;asciilifeform;you can printenv from uboot console
1078448;1427598543;nubbins`;^
1078449;1427598543;asciilifeform;if you have serial port (or the netconsole thing set up)
1078450;1427598549;asciilifeform;likewise setenv
1078451;1427598550;asciilifeform;-and-
1078452;1427598552;asciilifeform;saveenv
1078453;1427598555;decimation;asciilifeform: it's gcc-4.6 on redhat
1078454;1427598556;nubbins`;cazalla it was something like fw_setenv "boot_xyz='abc'" vs fw_setenv boot_xyz="abc"
1078455;1427598558;asciilifeform;(yes, flashes changes from in itself)
1078456;1427598587;decimation;shit no nevermind I was in the wrong terminal and accidently built on osx :)
1078457;1427598590;nubbins`;saveenv wat? haha, i booted into debian to fw_setenv ;/
1078458;1427598646;asciilifeform;anyway, the two most urgent items on the agenda for this thing are:
1078459;1427598651;asciilifeform;1) freezing the sourceballs in time
1078460;1427598667;asciilifeform;(virginal buildroot loads them -from the net- and afaik does not check signatures)
1078461;1427598694;asciilifeform;2) study the package system. the dependencies of bitcoind would ideally be added as packages
1078462;1427598701;mircea_popescu;well you can have it load form your local machine.
1078463;1427598706;asciilifeform;(source packages. there are no other kinds in this)
1078464;1427598729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: buildroot builds and uses own toolchain, in a kind of jail. so it is very convenient to have the whole thing build inside it
1078465;1427598750;asciilifeform;and ultimately stronger, because nothing snarfed in from the os
1078466;1427598755;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i mean, you can trivially make -from the net- = localhost
1078467;1427598760;asciilifeform;aha that yes.
1078468;1427598768;asciilifeform;is what i was speaking of.
1078469;1427598769;mircea_popescu;or w/e convenient trusted host
1078470;1427598781;mircea_popescu;if you wish to save the set you used and sign it, i'll host the lot
1078471;1427598786;asciilifeform;the dl directory
1078472;1427598790;asciilifeform;if it has a package, it won't load again
1078473;1427598815;mircea_popescu;actually i suppose the correct thing would be to move the whole shebang on maillist
1078474;1427598824;mircea_popescu;"packages so and so downloaded so and so "
1078475;1427598838;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/2K9GBR5.txt
1078476;1427598839;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yohLb8 )
1078477;1427598839;asciilifeform;^ mine
1078478;1427598872;mircea_popescu;sign and deed it.
1078479;1427598894;mircea_popescu;including full paths would be good too
1078480;1427599105;asciilifeform;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2S1W3X0.txt
1078481;1427599106;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yoi99B )
1078482;1427599125;asciilifeform;... ?
1078483;1427599131;mircea_popescu;i think colon got taken out
1078484;1427599136;mircea_popescu;!up deedbot-
1078485;1427599141;asciilifeform;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2S1W3X0.txt
1078486;1427599142;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yoibOJ )
1078487;1427599142;deedbot-;rejected: 1
1078488;1427599146;asciilifeform;wat
1078489;1427599146;mircea_popescu;lawl
1078490;1427599179;mircea_popescu;trinque ^ ?
1078491;1427599197;mircea_popescu;gpg: Good signature from "Stanislav Datskovskiy
1078492;1427599225;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000075.html
1078493;1427599225;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1yoij0U )
1078494;1427599232;asciilifeform;^ thrown to mailinglist
1078495;1427599596;mod6;is your key imported into the bot?
1078496;1427599602;asciilifeform;wai wat
1078497;1427599608;asciilifeform;i was supposed to -do- something ?
1078498;1427599612;asciilifeform;beyond being in l1 ?
1078499;1427599683;mircea_popescu;ah yes.
1078500;1427599686;mircea_popescu;gotta import your key.
1078501;1427599692;asciilifeform;syntax?
1078502;1427599700;mircea_popescu;just link it to the bot
1078503;1427599745;mod6;iirc i had to put my pubkey in a dpaste and then do something like `deedbot-: import `
1078504;1427599753;asciilifeform;deedbot- http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc
1078505;1427599754;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3Taic )
1078506;1427599754;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1078507;1427599759;asciilifeform;wat.
1078508;1427599765;mircea_popescu;hm
1078509;1427599779;asciilifeform;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3VDY1C1.txt
1078510;1427599780;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3Tduy )
1078511;1427599788;deedbot-;imported: 17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7
1078512;1427599798;asciilifeform;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2S1W3X0.txt
1078513;1427599799;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3TfT8 )
1078514;1427599799;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1078515;1427599802;asciilifeform;there we go.
1078516;1427599805;asciilifeform;it wants .txt
1078517;1427599806;mircea_popescu;oh for crying out loud. yo trinque didntcha say you got rid of the url limiting thing ?
1078518;1427599813;mircea_popescu;o is that what it is ?
1078519;1427599817;asciilifeform;apparently.
1078520;1427599821;mircea_popescu;aha k
1078521;1427599833;trinque;lol
1078522;1427599841;mircea_popescu;someone should write this likbez at some point. yo danielpbarron !
1078523;1427599850;mircea_popescu;did you get wiki editing rights ?
1078524;1427599859;asciilifeform;Mem: 7748K used, 115328K free, 44K shrd, 0K buff, 2768K cached
1078525;1427599884;asciilifeform;^ some of the 7.7M is the kernel, but most is the ramdisk, which won't exist in the battlefield version
1078526;1427599894;asciilifeform;thus we get almost the entire 128M to play with
1078527;1427599904;asciilifeform;and using small machines becomes thinkable.
1078528;1427599913;mircea_popescu;aha
1078529;1427599933;asciilifeform;incidentally no reason not to do a rom-able x86 build at some point
1078530;1427599948;asciilifeform;(great for eating as part of a balanced diet with linuxbios)
1078531;1427599962;asciilifeform;(small machine, example, http://www.hootoo.com/hootoo-tripmate-nano-ht-tm02-wireless-portable-router.html )
1078532;1427599964;assbot; Hootoo HT-TM02 Tripmate Nano ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3Twpf )
1078533;1427599974;asciilifeform;(and see log.)
1078534;1427599991;mircea_popescu;!s see log
1078535;1427599992;assbot;58 results for 'see log' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=see+log
1078536;1427599996;mircea_popescu;notbad.
1078537;1427599999;asciilifeform;this is almost linux as it was when it was a joy
1078538;1427600002;asciilifeform;instead of chore
1078539;1427600074;trinque;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/23BB942.txt
1078540;1427600075;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3TL3B )
1078541;1427600087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 100 @ 0.0200566 = 2.0057 BTC [-] {6} 
1078542;1427600090;trinque;and I'm in via telnet
1078543;1427600092;asciilifeform;(how come almost 8M? u-boot takes gzipped kernels, of course.)
1078544;1427600117;trinque;because I'm a lazy fuck and copied the thing over that filename instead of updating uboot
1078545;1427600119;asciilifeform;trinque: 'turdel' ? or you built with recipe
1078546;1427600136;trinque;built with buildroot, ignore the filename
1078547;1427600146;asciilifeform;congrats trinque !
1078548;1427600146;trinque;I just copied it over what was already in the tftp dir
1078549;1427600151;trinque;congrats to you!
1078550;1427600158;trinque;I merely baked from the recipe
1078551;1427600159;asciilifeform;now who'll be next.
1078552;1427600184;asciilifeform;trinque: and now that you baked, read the patch. it will begin to make sense.
1078553;1427600272;asciilifeform;just thinking,
1078554;1427600280;asciilifeform;there was a time when folks would have -killed- for 128M.
1078555;1427600300;asciilifeform;i remember saving to buy an 8M stick.
1078556;1427600309;asciilifeform;for a year.
1078557;1427600337;asciilifeform;and modern 'brogrammer' wipes his arse with it
1078558;1427600377;decimation;asciilifeform: ok a legit build error "./scripts/Makefile.headersinst:55: *** Missing UAPI file ./include/uapi/linux/netfilter/xt_CONNMARK.h.  Stop."
1078559;1427600388;asciilifeform;nope.
1078560;1427600388;decimation;seems like I am missing a kernel header
1078561;1427600397;asciilifeform;or rather,
1078562;1427600400;asciilifeform;what was building ?
1078563;1427600420;asciilifeform;('nope' as in, i did not patch anything remotely close to there)
1078564;1427600431;decimation;ah, the linux 3.18.1 headers
1078565;1427600439;decimation;yeah I'm not saying it was your fault
1078566;1427600446;decimation;I'm running 2.6.32
1078567;1427600446;asciilifeform;decimation: hash your manifest
1078568;1427600452;asciilifeform;see earlier thread
1078569;1427600457;asciilifeform;make sure it pulled down the same tarballs
1078570;1427600462;decimation;k
1078571;1427600592;trinque;asciilifeform: patch makes sense, and lol @ skull and crossbones around the telnet in inittab
1078572;1427600618;asciilifeform;trinque: i like to mark code that folks can use to kill themselves, with it
1078573;1427600620;asciilifeform;wherever i go
1078574;1427600642;trinque;good practice
1078575;1427600656;*;trinque wanders to hack night with pogoplug in tow
1078576;1427600692;asciilifeform;having meatspace friends who program must be fun
1078577;1427600709;mircea_popescu;he lives in a civilised part of teh country.
1078578;1427600722;decimation;asciilifeform: is your manifest missing 'tar'?
1078579;1427600732;decimation;otherwise everything appears to be there
1078580;1427600743;asciilifeform;decimation: i think local tar ends up untarring things
1078581;1427600750;asciilifeform;how else
1078582;1427600755;asciilifeform;i mean, if you lacked tar,
1078583;1427600759;asciilifeform;how would any of it untar
1078584;1427600854;asciilifeform;---
1078585;1427600861;asciilifeform;and already found one small mistake
1078586;1427600868;asciilifeform;dhcpd is built. we never use it
1078587;1427600877;asciilifeform;(what we actually use is busybox's udhcpd)
1078588;1427600887;asciilifeform;can be cut from the buildroot conf.
1078589;1427600891;asciilifeform;---
1078590;1427600936;asciilifeform;i think i also forgot to build any mtd utils
1078591;1427600939;decimation;I mean tar isn't on the manifest
1078592;1427600944;asciilifeform;so can't hack uboot from inside this. yet.
1078593;1427600951;asciilifeform;decimation: of course not. it never gets downloaded
1078594;1427600961;asciilifeform;or, hm, does it
1078595;1427600970;decimation;it's in /dl
1078596;1427600971;asciilifeform;nope.
1078597;1427600983;asciilifeform;i think we end up using busybox tar
1078598;1427600992;asciilifeform;for the armv5 os, that is
1078599;1427600999;asciilifeform;for the build, it uses local machine's tar.
1078600;1427601015;asciilifeform;busybox, to those new to it, is a unix util userland in more or less 1 executable.
1078601;1427601024;asciilifeform;(symlinked to the usual names)
1078602;1427601040;asciilifeform;it is often found on routers, sex toys, miscellaneous embedded machinery
1078603;1427601044;decimation;okay I think my build error is something to do with the shitty vm cross-mount filesystem and case sensitivity
1078604;1427601065;asciilifeform;oh and another missing ingredient
1078605;1427601069;asciilifeform;exercise for my readers!
1078606;1427601073;asciilifeform;add an unprivileged user.
1078607;1427601099;asciilifeform;you can do this with the file system overlay (see patch and readme) or using buildroot's spiffy user generator (can't help here, never tried)
1078608;1427601113;asciilifeform;bitcoind probably ought to run as other than root.
1078609;1427601125;asciilifeform;(see process separation discussion from earlier thread.)
1078610;1427601248;decimation;35deaa1d5bf822b74ea13928cb9621b03eafcdd5450c176928b4df72bf27ce64c0ed6c87ff46e3c2958313ffe99ff219c6458d8b82311f04fc5e85a01e3054bb  dl/tar-1.28.cpio.gz
1078611;1427601328;asciilifeform;decimation: interesting. no such thing on mine.
1078612;1427601345;asciilifeform;decimation: are you sure you are building with the patch ?
1078613;1427601389;decimation;yeah
1078614;1427601393;decimation;I'll recreate
1078615;1427601395;asciilifeform;odd then.
1078616;1427601401;asciilifeform;someone will have to discover why.
1078617;1427601480;decimation;ah I might have skipped the make pogoplug_defconfig setup
1078618;1427601486;asciilifeform;aahahahaha.
1078619;1427601514;decimation;ok I'm not building on crazy vm fs
1078620;1427601686;decimation;apparently  Arduino  is self-destructing in a trademark lawsuit drama
1078621;1427601700;asciilifeform;i can't help but think of 'aradruin' when i see it
1078622;1427601708;asciilifeform;always.
1078623;1427601735;asciilifeform;well, orodruin
1078624;1427601737;asciilifeform;in the original.
1078625;1427601767;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 148.6676222 BTC. Current weight: 30,959.
1078626;1427601795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63678 @ 0.00026891 = 17.1237 BTC [+]
1078627;1427601852;decimation;hehe yeah it's kind of a dumb name
1078628;1427601857;decimation;http://hackaday.com/2015/03/12/arduino-v-arduino-part-ii/
1078629;1427601859;assbot;Arduino v Arduino: Part II | Hackaday ... ( http://bit.ly/1FY372i )
1078630;1427601861;decimation;"In short, there are two companies calling themselves “Arduino†at the moment. One, Arduino LLC was founded by [Massimo Banzi], [David Cuartielles], [David Mellis], [Tom Igoe] and [Gianluca Martino] in 2009, runs the website arduino.cc, and has been directing and releasing the code that makes it all work. Most of these folks had been working together on what would become the Arduino project since as early as 2005."
1078631;1427601870;asciilifeform;almost as good as apple v apple
1078632;1427601870;decimation;"The other “Arduino†used to be called Smart Projects and was the manufacturing arm of the project founded and run by [Gianluca Martino]. Smart Projects changed their name to Arduino SRL in November 2014. (A “Società a responsabilità limitata†is one form of Italian limited-liability company.) They have been a major producer of Arduino boards from the very beginning and recently registered the domain arduino.org."
1078633;1427601893;decimation;basically a group of 5 italians disagree about who should profit on the whole affair
1078634;1427601926;decimation;the lesson perhaps being: don't use a microcontroller you can't find the vhdl for
1078635;1427602151;decimation;http://opencores.org/project,cpu6502_true_cycle < lol can build "Apple ][+ SoC"
1078636;1427602152;assbot;cpu6502_tc - R6502 Processor Soft Core with accurate timing :: Overview :: OpenCores ... ( http://bit.ly/1yomtpA )
1078637;1427602225;[]bot;Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.8656096 BTC. Current weight: 80,118.
1078638;1427602602;decimation;asciilifeform: okay it it successfully built on my gcc-4.6 rhel6 box
1078639;1427602619;decimation;I can't test it, but there were no bad-looking warnings
1078640;1427602635;decimation;with that I must retire
1078641;1427602638;decimation;!down decimation
1078642;1427603442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00026758 = 3.3715 BTC [-] {3} 
1078643;1427605150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101004 @ 0.00026648 = 26.9155 BTC [-]
1078644;1427605686;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078620 << i was just reading that
1078645;1427605686;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 04:01:26; decimation: apparently  Arduino  is self-destructing in a trademark lawsuit drama
1078646;1427605797;mircea_popescu;so here's an idle thought : one could import apple into the pogo, create an autovote application for 20 dollars a device
1078647;1427605819;mircea_popescu;drive the chinese farms out of the business of creating fake "users" and "reviews" and whatnot for the sv bezzleworld.
1078648;1427606402;ben_vulpes;aha
1078649;1427606408;ben_vulpes;variable width text in irc!
1078650;1427606919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68900 @ 0.0002617 = 18.0311 BTC [-] {2} 
1078651;1427607070;Chillum;monospaced for the win!
1078652;1427607346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43840 @ 0.00026124 = 11.4528 BTC [-] {2} 
1078653;1427608330;ben_vulpes;for coding, sure
1078654;1427608334;ben_vulpes;not for rapid reading.
1078655;1427608339;ben_vulpes;muh wordshapes
1078656;1427608480;ben_vulpes;Chillum: it bears mentioning that i use the same rendering stack for irc as i do for programming
1078657;1427608625;mircea_popescu;i use monospace
1078658;1427608764;Chillum;monospace for irc and programming
1078659;1427609081;ben_vulpes;i'm experimenting.
1078660;1427609096;ben_vulpes;stay away from me with your old-man-pinions
1078661;1427609112;mircea_popescu;lolk
1078662;1427609125;ben_vulpes;if they're good i'll get there on my own
1078663;1427609132;*;ben_vulpes goes off to piss on fences
1078664;1427609138;ben_vulpes;"is this one electrified?"
1078665;1427609147;nubbins`;i use papyrus for programming and verdana for irc
1078666;1427609149;nubbins`;LEL JK
1078667;1427609168;mircea_popescu;you probably use comic with and comic sans
1078668;1427609177;nubbins`;comic avec
1078669;1427609186;nubbins`;get with the program
1078670;1427609191;ben_vulpes;comic noir?
1078671;1427609204;nubbins`;comic neue
1078672;1427609237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114881 @ 0.00026263 = 30.1712 BTC [+] {2} 
1078673;1427609244;nubbins`;actually too hammed to type, congrats alf, your likeness will be cast in bronze some day
1078674;1427609300;mircea_popescu;comic nude and comic black
1078675;1427609303;mircea_popescu;like stockings.
1078676;1427609338;mircea_popescu;"you can make even bullet out of frozen shit - but for alf likeliness must use bronze!"
1078677;1427609542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25487 @ 0.00026263 = 6.6937 BTC [+]
1078678;1427610179;Chillum;wing dings'
1078679;1427610572;Naphex;fluffypony: people can be total retards especially on reddit. And btcxchange.ro wasn't hacked! It was closed down by its bussiness owner like a retard.
1078680;1427610599;Naphex;hi o/
1078681;1427611146;ben_vulpes;hi Naphex
1078682;1427612546;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC price at or over $777 before Sept 21st 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1079/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.74861989 BTC. Current weight: 58,858.
1078683;1427612765;fluffypony;Naphex: they're retarded
1078684;1427613611;mircea_popescu;yo Naphex
1078685;1427613616;mircea_popescu;how's the meat trade ?
1078686;1427613642;Naphex; mircea_popescu going good. going into pre-registers while using the amount of time left to polish :D
1078687;1427613670;mircea_popescu;i was gonna send that indian chick your way but then you weren't online
1078688;1427613692;Naphex;no worries. had to switch servers and DC's
1078689;1427613703;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1078690;1427613760;Naphex;i tried out some BTC provider and they had a stupid rule of cutting the upstream when you get more then 65k packets/s
1078691;1427613763;Naphex;lol
1078692;1427613782;Naphex;so i just stopped the contract and moved to a normal DC
1078693;1427613805;mircea_popescu;prolly some reseller.
1078694;1427613812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00026217 = 5.9382 BTC [-]
1078695;1427613814;mircea_popescu;you really wanna colocate for stuff like that
1078696;1427613832;Naphex;yeah fixed. was a failed attempt to try to get a staging env faster
1078697;1427613860;mircea_popescu;no rush anyway. cunt's not going anywhere.
1078698;1427613872;Naphex;mircea_popescu: http://xotika.tv
1078699;1427613873;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqfXWd )
1078700;1427613889;Naphex;went into pre-registering and some pub. pretty good so far
1078701;1427613903;Naphex;100+ regs
1078702;1427613912;mircea_popescu;;;later tell indiancandy1 talk to naphex, he's launching a new site. http://xotika.tv
1078703;1427613913;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nqg1VR )
1078704;1427613913;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1078705;1427613943;Naphex;we'll also have product presentation and some other fun stuff at http://www.awsummit.com/ro/ ;p
1078706;1427613944;assbot;AWSummit - Cel mai mare summit de videochat ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nqg7wJ )
1078707;1427614011;mircea_popescu;uh. what's this, aro rip of aws ?!
1078708;1427614040;mircea_popescu;oddly, no tits.
1078709;1427614089;mircea_popescu;platinum eh ? wd.
1078710;1427614104;Naphex;gotta hit em high :P
1078711;1427614141;mircea_popescu;ahaha "luxuriate yourself"
1078712;1427614142;mircea_popescu;epic.
1078713;1427614821;Naphex;:D
1078714;1427614843;[]bot;Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/
1078715;1427615063;[]bot;Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,997.
1078716;1427615065;[]bot;Bet placed: 9 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 157.6676222 BTC. Current weight: 30,686.
1078717;1427615068;[]bot;Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 33.07364715 BTC. Current weight: 22,066.
1078718;1427615070;[]bot;Bet placed: 15 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 128.96264834 BTC. Current weight: 78,425.
1078719;1427615072;[]bot;Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 113.1868 BTC. Current weight: 77,122.
1078720;1427615391;mircea_popescu;!up rotarydialer
1078721;1427618326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112958 @ 0.00026535 = 29.9734 BTC [+] {2} 
1078722;1427618388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18342 @ 0.00027119 = 4.9742 BTC [+]
1078723;1427621498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 387 @ 0.02 = 7.74 BTC [-] {2} 
1078724;1427627110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68408 @ 0.00026949 = 18.4353 BTC [-] {2} 
1078725;1427627171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 214925 @ 0.00027336 = 58.7519 BTC [+] {2} 
1078726;1427628092;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078206 yes, that was the joke :)
1078727;1427628092;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 00:34:21; mod6: <+jurov> my mom was using "husqvarna" << they make my favorite chainsaws / best chainsaws imho
1078728;1427631136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39360 @ 0.00027718 = 10.9098 BTC [+] {2} 
1078729;1427631197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70500 @ 0.00027755 = 19.5673 BTC [+]
1078730;1427632112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 275040 @ 0.00028098 = 77.2807 BTC [+]
1078731;1427633454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00026672 = 17.3901 BTC [-] {2} 
1078732;1427634796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62094 @ 0.00027509 = 17.0814 BTC [+]
1078733;1427636370;Adlai;!s ada examples
1078734;1427636371;assbot;1 results for 'ada examples' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+examples
1078735;1427637875;nubbins`;re: freezing buildroot config in time
1078736;1427637877;nubbins`;"The various tarballs that are downloaded by Buildroot are all stored in BR2_DL_DIR, which by default is the dl directory. If you want to keep a complete version of Buildroot which is known to be working with the associated tarballs, you can make a copy of this directory. This will allow you to regenerate the toolchain and the target filesystem with exactly the same versions."
1078737;1427640225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100200 @ 0.00027464 = 27.5189 BTC [-] {2} 
1078738;1427641872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.0002812 = 3.1494 BTC [+]
1078739;1427642482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99750 @ 0.00027432 = 27.3634 BTC [-] {2} 
1078740;1427643031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00027278 = 5.8375 BTC [-]
1078741;1427643112;Chillum;Good morning
1078742;1427643154;nubbins`;hi
1078743;1427643168;nubbins`;although technically afternoon here
1078744;1427643217;Chillum;well it is technically morning here
1078745;1427643220;Chillum;too early even
1078746;1427643229;*;Chillum goes to make coffee
1078747;1427643443;asciilifeform;nubbins`: all stored in BR2_DL_DIR << we got this last night, yes
1078748;1427643460;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i posted sha512's for my set, also.
1078749;1427643466;asciilifeform;(see log)
1078750;1427643576;nubbins`;beaut
1078751;1427643581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 400 @ 0.00332811 = 1.3312 BTC [-]
1078752;1427643597;nubbins`;gonna cave and set up a gentoo install on usb stick here later today
1078753;1427643618;asciilifeform;nubbins`: gentoo for what
1078754;1427643630;nubbins`;macbook
1078755;1427643667;nubbins`;bbl!
1078756;1427643888;asciilifeform;found a few other minor omissions in the build
1078757;1427643902;asciilifeform;vgaarb is enabled (there is no vga, naturally) - missed this in the cleanup
1078758;1427643912;asciilifeform;also need to set mac address of the nic
1078759;1427643938;asciilifeform;otherwise all pogos will have the same one (it is not stored in any kind of nonvolatile memory)
1078760;1427643992;asciilifeform;i will suggest that all subsequent patches for buildroot per se, be published as diffs from the one i posted last night
1078761;1427644010;asciilifeform;rather than a mega-turd each, if diffing from a virginal buildroot
1078762;1427644135;asciilifeform;did we ever get anywhere in the ntp-or-not debate ?
1078763;1427644139;asciilifeform;i did not include ntp
1078764;1427644156;asciilifeform;but the result is that the machine time is epoch 0 on boot.
1078765;1427644172;asciilifeform;(clock does run monotonically after boot)
1078766;1427644739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.000262 = 21.4447 BTC [-] {3} 
1078767;1427644760;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/03/merrill-019.pdf << interesting re: 'national security letters'
1078768;1427644765;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IaezFl )
1078769;1427644796;Chillum;I don't trust pdfs, so many vulnerabilities in the past
1078770;1427644818;Chillum;not on this computer at least ;)
1078771;1427644839;asciilifeform;Chillum: if you own a machine used specifically for executing malware, very convenient for this purpose.
1078772;1427644920;Chillum;I have a live cd and a laptop with no other storage I use for such things
1078773;1427644929;Chillum;read only cd-rom!
1078774;1427644954;Chillum;I also use open wifi near my place so I don't expose my netwrok
1078775;1427644995;Chillum;I have seen sniffing software installed on routers before
1078776;1427645020;Chillum;they can go from your malware friendly computer, root your router and live there between you and the internet
1078777;1427645783;jurov;why so few nerds set up their own linux router?
1078778;1427645843;Chillum;openwrt can be rooted too, particularly from the internal network
1078779;1427645856;Chillum;much harder though
1078780;1427645901;jurov;how?
1078781;1427645922;Chillum;If I told everyone it would get patched
1078782;1427645923;jurov;i can understnd if you have old samba open or so
1078783;1427645947;mats;...lol
1078784;1427645960;Chillum;hint: look at past reoccurring vulnerabilities that have been fixed and keep coming back
1078785;1427645981;Chillum;regression is a bitch
1078786;1427646000;Chillum;hacking routers is good practice. They don't fight back
1078787;1427646032;*;Chillum designs a router that fights back!
1078788;1427646062;punkman;I looked into something that'd replace my modem/router but it seems I'll have to build a mini-itx or something
1078789;1427646102;jurov;miniitx is dandy
1078790;1427646105;Chillum;Routers are a sad state of affair. Something like 70% of consumer wifi routers in the wild are vulnerable to heartbleed
1078791;1427646112;Chillum;it is the linux box that nobody upgrades!
1078792;1427646121;mats;buy an edgerouter lite and tell your isp to send you a plain ol modem
1078793;1427646140;Chillum;most run arch linux under the hood, often about 10 years old
1078794;1427646166;jurov;that's why nerds should maintain them themselves, and i don't mean reflash openwrt and forget
1078795;1427646169;mats;thats not true at all
1078796;1427646216;Chillum;just based off what I have seen in the wild around here
1078797;1427646430;jurov;czechs took the router problem to their own hands: https://www.turris.cz/en/
1078798;1427646430;assbot;Home :: Project:Turris ... ( http://bit.ly/1IalIpf )
1078799;1427646489;Chillum;I sort of want to make a portable rasp-pi that automatically roots and then secures wifi routers, as a public service
1078800;1427646524;jurov;"secures" how?
1078801;1427646534;Chillum;erase the eprom
1078802;1427646542;jurov;haha
1078803;1427646563;Chillum;gotta fail in a safe mode after all
1078804;1427646699;jurov;will get replaces with just different turd
1078805;1427646704;jurov;*replaced
1078806;1427646723;Chillum;there is always another turd around the corner, it is the circle of life
1078807;1427646971;nubbins`;<+Chillum> If I told everyone it would get patched <<< lel
1078808;1427647232;punkman;"if you see something, say something" :P
1078809;1427647290;Chillum;"snitches get stitches"
1078810;1427647292;Chillum;lol
1078811;1427647305;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/cyrano/
1078812;1427647306;assbot;Cyrano ... ( http://bit.ly/1IapoHE )
1078813;1427647641;asciilifeform; Routers are a sad state of affair. Something like 70% of consumer wifi routers in the wild are vulnerable to heartbleed << and a fella who knows this, is still fond of ssl ? amazing
1078814;1427647641;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1078815;1427647700;Chillum;let it go
1078816;1427647708;asciilifeform;no.
1078817;1427647764;Chillum;most protocols have had a vulnerability at some point. Heartbleed was a bug in openssl, not a bug in ssl
1078818;1427647774;mats;lol
1078819;1427647777;Chillum;implementation vs protocol
1078820;1427647791;asciilifeform;Chillum: i'm not certain that any of the #b-a regulars believe it to have been a bug.
1078821;1427647799;asciilifeform;i very much do not.
1078822;1427647802;Chillum;okay, gub'mint backdoor then
1078823;1427647828;Chillum;the math is solid regardless of implementation failures/sabotage
1078824;1427647838;Chillum;until quantum computers are a thing
1078825;1427647848;jurov;ssl spec is too complicated, hence inevitably buggy implementations
1078826;1427647859;asciilifeform;it is rather like pointing to a grain of sand in a turd, and advocating shit as a construction material because 'that grain is solid'
1078827;1427647861;Chillum;okay, ssl sucks
1078828;1427647868;Chillum;sure
1078829;1427647885;mats;!gettrust Chillum
1078830;1427647885;assbot;Trust relationship from user mats to user Chillum: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mats/Chillum | http://w.b-a.link/user/Chillum
1078831;1427647928;Chillum;what about TLS?
1078832;1427647947;Chillum;if you take out key management and such, how do you feel about the actual crypto?
1078833;1427647976;asciilifeform;the actual crypto is buried at the far bottom of a deep, deep tank of liquid shit.
1078834;1427648010;Chillum;a lot of routers don't even use SSL
1078835;1427648030;asciilifeform;Chillum: if it has a www configurator of any kind, it's consumer garbage
1078836;1427648049;asciilifeform;adult router is configured over a dedicated serial port
1078837;1427648060;Chillum;the whole hierarchy of trust used to issue certs is of course bunk
1078838;1427648631;chetty; the whole hierarchy of trust used to issue certs is of course bunk// for some reason when I read that I wondered if anyone would trust a cert issued by Obama? If not why would you accept one from any 'lesser' authority in the same chain?
1078839;1427648644;asciilifeform;^
1078840;1427648670;Chillum;I generally sign my own keys based on my own master cert
1078841;1427648698;Chillum;you don't have to put verisign at the top
1078842;1427648734;asciilifeform;Chillum: i take it you are the only one accessing the systems in question ?
1078843;1427648746;asciilifeform;Chillum: if so, why not stick to the considerably less dysfunctional ssh ?
1078844;1427648793;Chillum;it would be a way to go
1078845;1427648808;Chillum;though not with port forwarding
1078846;1427649314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126250 @ 0.00025871 = 32.6621 BTC [-] {2} 
1078847;1427650290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73000 @ 0.00025826 = 18.853 BTC [-]
1078848;1427651493;mircea_popescu;trinque ERROR: unknown (Most likely my bitcoind stopped working or this page is too large/complex.) < ?
1078849;1427651544;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078726 << til jurov has a favourite... chainsaw ?!
1078850;1427651544;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 11:21:32; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078206 yes, that was the joke :)
1078851;1427651548;mircea_popescu;scary shit, dude.
1078852;1427651611;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078759 << lol, just randomize it. o... wait...
1078853;1427651611;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 15:45:38; asciilifeform: otherwise all pogos will have the same one (it is not stored in any kind of nonvolatile memory)
1078854;1427651612;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1078855;1427651639;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: many folks use mac addrs in routing tables
1078856;1427651656;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078762 << i dun recall it ever being a debate, vast consensus against it.
1078857;1427651656;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 15:48:55; asciilifeform: did we ever get anywhere in the ntp-or-not debate ?
1078858;1427651668;asciilifeform;incidentally, the upnp demon will need to be thrown in
1078859;1427651669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no i know, i was just amused at ther possible solutions :D
1078860;1427651674;asciilifeform;at least in the civilian version
1078861;1427651690;asciilifeform;i am very much against allowing it into bitcoind per se
1078862;1427651695;asciilifeform;let it run as own user.
1078863;1427651712;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078769 << check it out ? neither do we. ongoing bitchfest about "pls to convert" scattered in logs.
1078864;1427651712;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 15:59:56; Chillum: I don't trust pdfs, so many vulnerabilities in the past
1078865;1427651726;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform allowing who into bitcoind ?
1078866;1427651734;asciilifeform;upnp buggerer
1078867;1427651746;asciilifeform;you know, that one
1078868;1427651753;asciilifeform;that opens ports on crapsumer routers
1078869;1427651771;mircea_popescu;make a unpnp user ? sorta like apache's, "nobody" ? :D
1078870;1427651776;asciilifeform;aha
1078871;1427651794;mircea_popescu;i dun't see why not. "numbnuts" ?
1078872;1427651822;asciilifeform;thing is, this is a little more complicated than appears
1078873;1427651831;asciilifeform;because it needs to know when it must attempt upnp and when not
1078874;1427651842;Chillum;you can open ports on a lot of routers by using ajax to make a http post that looks like IRC commands
1078875;1427651845;Chillum;its a feature!
1078876;1427651858;mircea_popescu;Chillum hm ?
1078877;1427651865;asciilifeform;the traditional bitcoind (see code) asked a peer to attempt connect-back on 8333
1078878;1427651894;Chillum;some routers automatically open a port when they see a DCC command on sent from an internal computer on an IRC port
1078879;1427651911;asciilifeform;Chillum is speaking of a 'pheature' found on particularly imbecilic consumer routers
1078880;1427651916;Chillum;javascript can induce a browser to send a post that tricks the router into thinking it is that
1078881;1427651920;asciilifeform;circa '00-'05
1078882;1427651929;mircea_popescu;Chillum ah yes, that. but this wouldn't really be a browser anyway.
1078883;1427651967;mircea_popescu;it does speak of the ancient and great power of the irc, tho.
1078884;1427651996;Chillum;auto port-forwarding is almost always a bad idea
1078885;1427652002;mircea_popescu;something the imbecillians (is it ok if i refer to people born in the 80s as the imbecillians, given the poor results discussed yest ? generation y seems improper) all forgot.
1078886;1427652030;*;asciilifeform circa '80s but does not object to this
1078887;1427652051;mircea_popescu;lol
1078888;1427652060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80200 @ 0.00026049 = 20.8913 BTC [+]
1078889;1427652172;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078784 << this is actually exactly how a living is earned in this space.
1078890;1427652172;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 16:19:20; Chillum: hint: look at past reoccurring vulnerabilities that have been fixed and keep coming back
1078891;1427652183;mircea_popescu;you don't have to be a genius and read machine code to find new holes. that's for alfs.
1078892;1427652201;mircea_popescu;what you do is, you look for zombies. all it takes is a good archive of vulns and a working grep. then you take your chances.
1078893;1427652207;mircea_popescu;it's better yield than spam, that's for sure.
1078894;1427652681;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078811 << ahaha, duuuude...
1078895;1427652681;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 16:41:45; oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/cyrano/
1078896;1427652704;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me... don't these dating speshulists sound very much like the classical shaman ? "you are under a terrible dark curse kind sir" "i will fix it".
1078897;1427652707;asciilifeform;.... aaaaand...
1078898;1427652709;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000076.html
1078899;1427652709;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ElPEkl )
1078900;1427652716;asciilifeform;Pogotron v2.
1078901;1427652717;mircea_popescu;if placebo works, get paid. if it doesn't... "some DARKER force than my powers..."
1078902;1427652726;mircea_popescu;o hai pogotron!
1078903;1427652731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300750 @ 0.0002724 = 81.9243 BTC [+] {6} 
1078904;1427652772;jurov;hahaha so the husqvarna joke works well
1078905;1427652779;asciilifeform;this one isn't as neat as it sounds. i thought BR_PACKAGE_UBOOT_TOOLS will add with fw_xxxxx on the target rootfs but seems like no. these will have to be added as packages
1078906;1427652782;jurov;even if i wrote it was *not* one
1078907;1427652794;asciilifeform;what i wanted to do was to build something suitable for reflashing into virginal pogos for dev work
1078908;1427652799;asciilifeform;but this is not -quite- it.
1078909;1427652819;asciilifeform;it -does- contain nandread and nandwrite.
1078910;1427652820;mircea_popescu;hm.
1078911;1427652836;asciilifeform;still built as monolithic kernel with rootfs-in-ram, deliberately
1078912;1427652850;asciilifeform;but anyone who wants to, -can- flash this into nand in place of existing kernel
1078913;1427652851;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078817 << heartbleed was a bug in PKI. outright.
1078914;1427652851;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 16:49:24; Chillum: most protocols have had a vulnerability at some point. Heartbleed was a bug in openssl, not a bug in ssl
1078915;1427652852;asciilifeform;and it'll boot.
1078916;1427652865;asciilifeform;and you can upgrade from inside it
1078917;1427652869;mircea_popescu;the bug in pki is that any system designed or proposed by any party other than us is security poison.
1078918;1427652876;asciilifeform;^
1078919;1427652886;asciilifeform;'кто не Ñ Ð½Ð°Ð¼Ð¸ тот против наÑ' (TM)
1078920;1427652891;mircea_popescu;a cognate of any claim to authority on any matter not deriving from la serenissima is both fraudulent and actionable.
1078921;1427653031;asciilifeform;b94fb4736e0fa1394784d1139fe8262df450bb945c846e6bd1eda70d2c55679ccf8b7679e08c10d00aaf3dbebf9245875f3001654cf48ce5d1ac4e3c0cffce84  turdel_latest.gz
1078922;1427653054;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel_latest.gz
1078923;1427653070;asciilifeform;^ what comes out after v2 patch.
1078924;1427653101;asciilifeform;^ this can replace arch and debian now, which folks have been using
1078925;1427653118;asciilifeform;if you copy the uboot tools to a writable external disk
1078926;1427653128;asciilifeform;nand - can be operated from inside this turdel.
1078927;1427653139;asciilifeform;can safely toss the pieces of shit with systemd, etc. now.
1078928;1427653189;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
1078929;1427653190;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.16, Best ask: 244.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 244.16, 24 hour volume: 27528.99649606, 24 hour low: 238.89, 24 hour high: 254.49, 24 hour vwap: None
1078930;1427653232;asciilifeform;incidentally, the uboot fw_xxxx tools are very simple:
1078931;1427653243;mats;;;market buy 15000
1078932;1427653244;asciilifeform;the config thing lives at a certain offset (forget where) in mtd0
1078933;1427653246;gribble;Bitfinex | A market order to buy 15000 bitcoins right now would take 4130303.4623 USD and would take the last price up to 344.9000 USD, resulting in an average price of 275.3536 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0044 seconds
1078934;1427653246;asciilifeform;where uboot lives
1078935;1427653256;asciilifeform;the fw_printenv thing simply dumps the text found therein
1078936;1427653279;asciilifeform;fw_setenv reflashes those blocks to hold new text
1078937;1427653280;mats;;;market buy --market bitstamp 15000
1078938;1427653281;gribble;Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 10726.054 bitcoins, for a total of 12929272.3986 USD and take the price to 99999.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0557 seconds
1078939;1427653283;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078823 << there's no math behind either ssl or pki, or the usg for that matter. they are political arrangements, "sets of procedures and people" and whatnot.
1078940;1427653283;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 16:50:28; Chillum: the math is solid regardless of implementation failures/sabotage
1078941;1427653295;asciilifeform;^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included.
1078942;1427653299;mircea_popescu;they just happen to be the wrong policies by the wrong people for the wrong purposes is all.
1078943;1427653311;mats;;;market buy --market btcchina 15000
1078944;1427653312;gribble;BTCChina | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 9299.7167 bitcoins, for a total of 648197043008.7280 USD and take the price to 16100000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0283 seconds
1078945;1427653316;Chillum;are you arguing with a recording of me?
1078946;1427653317;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think he was speaking of rsa per se
1078947;1427653324;Chillum;lol
1078948;1427653332;mircea_popescu;Chillum i'm just going through the logs. pretty much everyone here reads the whole shebang.
1078949;1427653341;Chillum;okay
1078950;1427653346;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rsa per se is not even really involved in all this o.O
1078951;1427653352;mircea_popescu;i thought most certs were ecdsa
1078952;1427653355;asciilifeform;Chillum: we routinely 'argue with recordings' of one another. this is how #b-a folk handle the fact that not everyone lives at his computer
1078953;1427653373;Chillum;fair enough
1078954;1427653402;mircea_popescu;permanent log online + gribble ;;later tell for noobs - > wunderbar system of thought management.
1078955;1427653423;mircea_popescu;which is what the forum oughta be.
1078956;1427653438;*;Adlai is amazed that any channels survive with "no public logs" policies
1078957;1427653454;Chillum;a scrap of permanence in an impermanent universe
1078958;1427653455;mircea_popescu;have you seen the content ?
1078959;1427653461;asciilifeform;Adlai: kindergartens and mental asylums also, afaik, don't keep logs
1078960;1427653463;asciilifeform;yet survive.
1078961;1427653468;mircea_popescu;exactly this.
1078962;1427653485;mircea_popescu;i participated in a bdsm chan for a few days, it was painful.
1078963;1427653516;Adlai;generally the participants of such institutions only attend due to coercion, whether physical or implied
1078964;1427653528;mircea_popescu;90% of lines were "hello x", 90% of the remainder "so how's it going". maybe 1 in 4 hello-handshakes succeeded, and less than 1 in 100 went past 2nd pass.
1078965;1427653539;mircea_popescu;the general depth of conversation mirrored quite exactly the office.
1078966;1427653553;mircea_popescu;Adlai stupidity is coercitive, wheter obviously so or not.
1078967;1427653598;chetty; 90% of lines were "hello x", 90% of the remainder "so how's it going". maybe 1 in 4 hello-handshakes succeeded, and less than 1 in 100 went past 2nd pass.//roughly matching avg. attention spans
1078968;1427653605;mircea_popescu;quite.
1078969;1427653620;mircea_popescu;leaving us to wonder whether the stupid tools drive the stupidity of the people, or stem from the stupidity of the people involved.
1078970;1427653636;mircea_popescu;"is luser luser because on windoze, or is on windoze because luser ?"
1078971;1427653638;Adlai;symbiotic convergence idiocy
1078972;1427653652;mircea_popescu;this should be a term of art.
1078973;1427653706;mircea_popescu;and i mean... the fact that us young adults score worse than anyone else is not a direct product. they worked to get there : the school's so dumb, why learn ; the kids aren't learning anyway why not make it dumber... 30 years later in this process the fucking mit grads can't make a flashlight
1078974;1427653712;mircea_popescu;they ALL own fleshlights tho.
1078975;1427653733;Adlai;Made in Chinaâ„¢
1078976;1427653776;mircea_popescu;well yeah. some patriarchy somewhere.
1078977;1427653860;Adlai;s/i/oniz/
1078978;1427653916;mircea_popescu;umm... patronizarchy ?
1078979;1427653982;Adlai;yeh, rule by the patrons. those who can afford to patronize, as opposed to - serfs
1078980;1427654006;mircea_popescu;if this worked teh us'd be numero uno.
1078981;1427654015;mircea_popescu;rule by dude farmer is not functionable sadly.
1078982;1427654031;Adlai;last i checked, farmer = serf
1078983;1427654043;mircea_popescu;dude farmer is a term of art from back in the day the us mattered.
1078984;1427654055;mircea_popescu;ie, rich guy back east, went west to start a farm, sucked at it.
1078985;1427654211;nubbins`;<+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: many folks use mac addrs in routing tables <<< this
1078986;1427654218;Adlai;doesn't sound like a Patron of the Arts to me
1078987;1427654253;mircea_popescu;patron-client relationship is what i tought you meant, off the ancient post-imperial and late-imperial model.
1078988;1427654276;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: "is luser luser because on windoze, << the older version of this was, iirc, 'do styes make pigs' ?
1078989;1427654283;mircea_popescu;but anyway, even wioth the arts, the distinction holds : the patron has no particular taste, merely money and friends.
1078990;1427654297;nubbins`;<+Chillum> you can open ports on a lot of routers by using ajax to make a http post that looks like IRC commands <<< this is actually how you root the pogo without attaching a serial cable
1078991;1427654301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but there is genetic indication of suinity.
1078992;1427654483;asciilifeform;30 years later in this process the fucking mit grads can't make a flashlight << aha
1078993;1427654503;asciilifeform;!s flashlight
1078994;1427654504;assbot;32 results for 'flashlight' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=flashlight
1078995;1427654529;asciilifeform;l0l where did it go
1078996;1427654538;Chillum;nubbins`: neat, I assume you open the telnet port?
1078997;1427654552;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334
1078998;1427654554;assbot;MIT genuises with lightbulb - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzOqQj )
1078999;1427654554;asciilifeform;^^^
1079000;1427654584;asciilifeform;Chillum: stock pogo comes with 'dropbear', a miniature sshd
1079001;1427654606;Chillum;so you open the port to ssh, but how do you get root?
1079002;1427654608;mircea_popescu;it really is a great montage that, what with the bovine derping about how "we ARE" etc.
1079003;1427654642;Chillum;same password on each one?
1079004;1427654662;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can think of an alternate hypothesis about the flashlight thing
1079005;1427654682;mircea_popescu;probably a few, including videofraud . but tell ?
1079006;1427654693;asciilifeform;'I have had a chance to observe quite a few companies in the U.S. from the inside, and have spotted a certain constancy in the staffing profile. At the top, there is a group of highly compensated senior lunch-eaters. They tend to spend all of their time pleasing each other in various ways, big and small. They often hold advanced degrees in disciplines such as Technical Schmoozing and Relativistic Bean-counting. They are obsess
1079007;1427654693;asciilifeform;ive on the subject of money, and cultivate a posh country set atmosphere, even if they are just one generation out of the coal mines. Ask them to solve a technical problem — and they will politely demur, often taking the opportunity to flash their wit with a self-deprecating joke or two. ... The natives at the top always try to standardize the job descriptions and lower the pay scale of the immigrants at the bottom, playing
1079008;1427654694;asciilifeform;them against each other, while trying to portray themselves as super-achieving entrepreneurial mavericks who can't be pinned down to a mere set of marketable skills.'
1079009;1427654705;asciilifeform;from orlov's 'lessons' ( http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml )
1079010;1427654708;assbot;Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century Part II ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzOOy9 )
1079011;1427654730;asciilifeform;it is 'declasse' to admit that you can make a flashlight, at a 'sprezzatura' wankfest
1079012;1427654733;mircea_popescu;this works a lot better if you can actually code.
1079013;1427654761;mircea_popescu;dude, you're telling me that first jew boy with the rolling eyes and the slow repeating the task is putting out an act ?
1079014;1427654770;nubbins`;<+Chillum> are you arguing with a recording of me? <<< heh.
1079015;1427654771;mircea_popescu;as in "of course i could but i wonder how this woman is trying to trick me" ?
1079016;1427654781;asciilifeform;can't say for sure. but entirely possible
1079017;1427654784;Chillum;nubbins`: technology!
1079018;1427654788;mircea_popescu;if he could act that well i'd know his name.
1079019;1427654797;nubbins`;:D
1079020;1427654806;mircea_popescu;srsly now. this theory of yours would be perhaps appealing had i not spent any time on a set.
1079021;1427654812;mircea_popescu;but i have, and i tell you... people who can act are RARE.
1079022;1427654815;nubbins`;Chillum: a stock pogo will spread cheeks thusly: curl -k "https://root:ceadmin@[PogoplugIPAddress]/sqdiag/HBPlug?action=command&command=dropbear%20start";
1079023;1427654825;nubbins`;and yes, same root pw on each one :o
1079024;1427654827;mircea_popescu;not, "superhot blonde rare". that's 1 in 100. people who can act are in 1 in 10k
1079025;1427654832;asciilifeform;does sprezzatura really call for top-notch general-purpose acting skill ?
1079026;1427654834;mircea_popescu;and THEN they can only act in "certain spaces".
1079027;1427654845;mircea_popescu;yes, to the degree it'd be depicted there, this man is an oscar winner.
1079028;1427654852;Chillum;nubbins`: wow, what a slutty device
1079029;1427654856;nubbins`;inorite.
1079030;1427654857;mircea_popescu;go through webcasts to see how people deal with this normally.
1079031;1427654875;nubbins`;there's also a built-in "request unlock from pogo" thing
1079032;1427654880;nubbins`;think iphone unlock
1079033;1427654884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notice : no snicker. for instance.
1079034;1427654887;nubbins`;and then there's serial :D
1079035;1427654914;asciilifeform;nubbins`: notice how nobody here bothered with the 'request unlock' thing or even knows if it ever worked
1079036;1427654921;asciilifeform;because wtf why
1079037;1427654928;Chillum;I think that sometimes companies intentionally make their devices rootable because they know hobbyists will buy boxes of them if they can root it
1079038;1427654948;mircea_popescu;^ Chillum this makes sense, and it's why this is probably happening here
1079039;1427654952;asciilifeform;Chillum: this particular item is an oddity in this regard, because it is very clearly a loss-leader
1079040;1427654954;nubbins`;asciilifeform i tried it with one of my pogos
1079041;1427654964;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, ironically, this item was bought as a loss leader, and so, it would specifically NOT be wanted to be used this way.
1079042;1427654969;asciilifeform;(priced substantially below cost, in all likelihood)
1079043;1427655005;mircea_popescu;my explanation is that because of the standardization of everything, the makers just made them "as they're made" ie prevailing bs (business standards) and the buyers bought and marketed them "As they're marketed"
1079044;1427655005;nubbins`;asciilifeform you log into website, "activate" pogo, then can enable ssh login via website
1079045;1427655011;mircea_popescu;resulting in a transfer of value from the dudes to us.
1079046;1427655017;nubbins`;it's about as gaping as it sounds
1079047;1427655066;nubbins`;TBH i think they did include rootability as a hobbyist bonus, AND they made way, way too many
1079048;1427655074;asciilifeform;it is interesting that the actual contents of the can has been shrinking continuously over the years
1079049;1427655084;mircea_popescu;nubbins` we can now just capture the packets and "activate" any pogo anywhere on the basis of another pogo can't we.
1079050;1427655085;Chillum;they should just have a physical "root access" switch on the box. Leaving backdoors for people to find is reckless
1079051;1427655087;nubbins`;these were probably dumped to the surplus people en masse 4 years ago
1079052;1427655089;asciilifeform;for instance, there was at one point a pogo entirely like this one but 256M.
1079053;1427655097;asciilifeform;same cost.
1079054;1427655114;mircea_popescu;Chillum amusingly this is what asciilifeform wanted to do.
1079055;1427655123;asciilifeform;and, the successor to this (out of print) machine is quite similar but no sata.
1079056;1427655144;nubbins`;maybe just no sata connector 8)
1079057;1427655152;mircea_popescu;lol
1079058;1427655152;asciilifeform;nubbins`: that one is gone too
1079059;1427655157;asciilifeform;nubbins`: speaking of 'pink pogo' here
1079060;1427655157;nubbins`;ah
1079061;1427655184;*;nubbins` owns a synth that has MIDI in/out capabilities baked into cpu, but mfg didn't waste the extra $2 on MIDI ports
1079062;1427655184;asciilifeform;this is rather reminiscent of how the famous linksys wrt54g hyper-bestseller slowly shrank and shrank, from 16 and then 8 and then 4 (even 2!) MB of ram, linux could no longer be used on it
1079063;1427655189;asciilifeform;and the product faded away
1079064;1427655199;mircea_popescu;i had one of those
1079065;1427655207;asciilifeform;-everyone- has one of those
1079066;1427655208;nubbins`;open the thing up, wire up a couple resistors and DIN5 jacks, and you've got a full-featured midi voice
1079067;1427655209;asciilifeform;in a cellar somewhere
1079068;1427655222;mircea_popescu;sysadmin at the time was "you don't buy "a router". write this down : linksys wrt54g"
1079069;1427655239;asciilifeform;they actually re-issued it a few yrs back
1079070;1427655246;asciilifeform;as a commemorative edition, somethinglikethat
1079071;1427655246;mircea_popescu;this was long long ago
1079072;1427655248;nubbins`;http://midiot.net/mods.JPG
1079073;1427655250;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzPRyc )
1079074;1427655267;nubbins`;^ a monotribe taking advantage of several interesting patch points
1079075;1427655316;asciilifeform;when i ran across the 2MB linksys, my thought was 'linux is obese if can't fit in 2MB'
1079076;1427655324;asciilifeform;not 'damned linksys cheated us'
1079077;1427655328;nubbins`;https://synablogi.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/monotribe_hacking_6.jpg
1079078;1427655330;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzQ3xl )
1079079;1427655336;nubbins`;^ look how clearly they marked the pads
1079080;1427655343;nubbins`;modder's dream
1079081;1427655688;mircea_popescu;btw, speaking of guilds : they actually survive to an amazing extent. outfitters in canada for a very good example.
1079082;1427655688;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1079083;1427655747;nubbins`;here's a hot mess i made from a pocket-size synth, alongside original unit for reference
1079084;1427655748;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/raHz5bm
1079085;1427655749;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzR1d3 )
1079086;1427655756;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078838 << amusingly enough, i would.
1079087;1427655756;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 17:03:51; chetty:  the whole hierarchy of trust used to issue certs is of course bunk// for some reason when I read that I wondered if anyone would trust a cert issued by Obama? If not why would you accept one from any 'lesser' authority in the same chain?
1079088;1427655766;mircea_popescu;which is why the original "get in the wot" discussion with the sec.
1079089;1427655801;mircea_popescu;nubbins` going for that entire asic miner look ?
1079090;1427655813;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you'd probably end up rating him '-11111 does not have sole control of private key'
1079091;1427655824;mircea_popescu;end up, yes.
1079092;1427655828;mircea_popescu;not likely start up tho.
1079093;1427655836;mircea_popescu;rule of law is a process after all.
1079094;1427655910;nubbins`;mircea_popescu HEH. the first and last time i used test-lead wires for a permanent project.
1079095;1427655912;nubbins`;dat torque
1079096;1427655937;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/I6ZwIV4 << all closed up
1079097;1427655938;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzRBaP )
1079098;1427655961;nubbins`;butchered the poor enclosure, but hey.
1079099;1427655977;nubbins`;call it a v0.1
1079100;1427655985;*;asciilifeform off to meatspace for a spell. wants to hear if anyone tests v2 patch.
1079101;1427656031;nubbins`;http://www.korg-datastorage.jp/Manual/monotron_sch.pdf
1079102;1427656071;nubbins`;THIS is how you make electronic music :o
1079103;1427656208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60840 @ 0.0002763 = 16.8101 BTC [+]
1079104;1427656291;nubbins`;can't test patch just yet but new turdel_latest boots a-ok here
1079105;1427656294;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9brn8y5w
1079106;1427656295;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzSNLo )
1079107;1427657654;mod6;is mpexbot still a thing?
1079108;1427657738;mircea_popescu;seems not. fabian's not been answering anything for a while.
1079109;1427657743;mod6;oh its empyex now
1079110;1427657766;mod6;ah, ok.
1079111;1427658770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00025809 = 17.4985 BTC [-] {3} 
1079112;1427659868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00026179 = 16.2833 BTC [+] {2} 
1079113;1427660289;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform, what would you say is the difference between orlov as quoted and the fiction of the "imperialist burgeois" as classically described (1890s, even) ?
1079114;1427660316;mircea_popescu;are we just replaying the october revolution over here, that's the vision ?
1079115;1427660388;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, https://defendtrotskyism.wordpress.com/defend-assange-against-imperialist-bourgeois-assault-but-continue-fight-against-sexism/
1079116;1427660389;assbot;Defend Assange against Imperialist Bourgeois assault but continue fight against Sexism! | defendtrotskyism ... ( http://bit.ly/1BIxT90 )
1079117;1427660475;mircea_popescu;ie, every false prophet to date is looking upon the same sky, and will readily interpret whatever happens there in whatever terms they figure would make them look least like an idiot.
1079118;1427662339;jurov;wtf "The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:"
1079119;1427662353;jurov;and 1000 lines adding abi_x86_32 to everything
1079120;1427662437;jurov;wow gentoo. such joy.
1079121;1427663407;trinque;+mircea_popescu | trinque ERROR: unknown (Most likely my bitcoind stopped working or this page is too large/complex.) < ? < what did that come from?
1079122;1427663477;mircea_popescu;https://blockexplorer.com/address/1gtQEh8TVk6Pie2Ba6yYoSokaUvDdKpLT
1079123;1427663479;assbot;blockexplorer.com | 521: Web server is down ... ( http://bit.ly/1D948m1 )
1079124;1427663546;trinque;mircea_popescu: ah that's not my site; have a blockchain viewer site that you like?
1079125;1427663551;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0JE6B89 <
1079126;1427663552;assbot;dpaste: 0JE6B89 ... ( http://bit.ly/1D94rxi )
1079127;1427663558;mircea_popescu;ugh
1079128;1427663568;mircea_popescu;shit. i was just trying to look at a bundle
1079129;1427663610;mircea_popescu;who is blockexplorer.com anyway, your thing ?
1079130;1427663650;trinque;https://blockchain.info/address/1gtQEh8TVk6Pie2Ba6yYoSokaUvDdKpLT << it went out
1079131;1427663652;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1gtQEh8TVk6Pie2Ba6yYoSokaUvDdKpLT ... ( http://bit.ly/1D94Uj9 )
1079132;1427663665;trinque;mircea_popescu: nah, block explorer is not miine
1079133;1427663827;mircea_popescu;then don't link it
1079134;1427663830;mircea_popescu;for this exact reason.
1079135;1427663838;mircea_popescu;people wanna explore an address or block, let them do it themselves.
1079136;1427663853;trinque;fine by me
1079137;1427663955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24874 @ 0.00025784 = 6.4135 BTC [-]
1079138;1427664128;thestringpuller;blockexplorer is Thermos's thing
1079139;1427664139;thestringpuller;unless he sold it recently
1079140;1427664182;jurov;iirc bitstamp bought it?
1079141;1427664214;jurov;nah that was blockr
1079142;1427664275;jurov;http://atc.blockr.io/ lmao still going?
1079143;1427664276;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbyFPH )
1079144;1427664695;thestringpuller;LOL
1079145;1427665554;ben_vulpes;afternoon, funkenstein_
1079146;1427665625;funkenstein_;howdy ben_vulpes
1079147;1427665751;funkenstein_;speaking of block explorers, here's an interesting one showing some exploit or another http://blockexperts.com/ilt/height/50894
1079148;1427665753;assbot;Intellect Block #50894 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbEHQb )
1079149;1427666176;funkenstein_;what is this ATC stuff
1079150;1427666212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26126 @ 0.00025856 = 6.7551 BTC [+]
1079151;1427666348;jurov;!s therealaltcoin
1079152;1427666349;assbot;21 results for 'therealaltcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=therealaltcoin
1079153;1427666472;jurov;was fun till it lasted
1079154;1427666555;nubbins`;heh
1079155;1427666561;Adlai;jurov: doesn't blockr belong to d.cbse?
1079156;1427666597;jurov;d.bstp, d.cbse, i dont see any difference
1079157;1427666643;Adlai;well one of them at least invented its own name
1079158;1427666671;Adlai;coinbase, blockchain, next up they'll just use magic numbers. oh wait
1079159;1427666762;*;jurov 's looking forward to exchange named "turdatron" or "orphanburner"
1079160;1427666801;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ was the alt coin for a while.
1079161;1427666884;Adlai;what's up with logs, have we built the moon cabin yet?
1079162;1427666942;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1079163;1427667093;Adlai;logs as in arithmic distribution curve
1079164;1427667099;Adlai;!s logs
1079165;1427667100;assbot;1501 results for 'logs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=logs
1079166;1427667106;Adlai;hmm i guess this word is overloaded now
1079167;1427667111;funkenstein_;Adlai, nice log cabin on moon
1079168;1427667123;Adlai;:D
1079169;1427667148;funkenstein_;you like harmonic series?
1079170;1427667177;Adlai;!s from:adlai music
1079171;1427667178;assbot;5 results for 'from:adlai music' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aadlai+music
1079172;1427667255;funkenstein_;speaking of music i was thinking of writing an encoding embedding a bitcoin address in audio
1079173;1427667310;*;Adlai was thinking of learning to do EC math in his head, which at least has practical use
1079174;1427667329;funkenstein_;you would definitely win
1079175;1427667337;Adlai;well, it's useless without mental hashing, but together they are unstoppable
1079176;1427667361;Adlai;the first step is obviously relearning all of mathematics in tonal
1079177;1427667377;funkenstein_;why no paper?
1079178;1427667426;Adlai;speciesism, i don't trust cells that have fewer than nine nines of dna in common with me
1079179;1427667474;funkenstein_;even if they are in WOT?
1079180;1427667512;Adlai;all music is folk music, i ain't never seen a horse in the wot
1079181;1427667590;funkenstein_;if your recorded music is playing, my phone will be like "shall we send a millie to Adlai?"
1079182;1427667615;Adlai;ahhh so you're talking about watermarking an address into audio
1079183;1427667624;funkenstein_;yeah
1079184;1427667635;Adlai;tbh it's probably easier to have an artist address registry, and lookup the artist using some shazaam-ish thingy
1079185;1427667643;Adlai;if we're talking about practical ideas :P
1079186;1427667663;jurov;Adlai: how does tonal slleviate the need to do hundreds of thousands of steps computing EC sigs?
1079187;1427667669;jurov;*alleviate
1079188;1427667690;Adlai;jurov: makes it easier to deal with bit/byte-based operations
1079189;1427667702;Adlai;doesn't reduce the total number, but fuck using decimal for sha256
1079190;1427667726;funkenstein_;use hex like what's his name did one round on paper
1079191;1427667731;punkman;http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11424037
1079192;1427667733;assbot;A court case so secret, US Govt says it can't go on ... ( http://bit.ly/1He3xib )
1079193;1427667755;nubbins`;sooo, just went to corner store.
1079194;1427667756;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/tkqh4qn
1079195;1427667756;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1He3yTm )
1079196;1427667757;nubbins`;o.O
1079197;1427667810;jurov;care to explain to nonmuricans?
1079198;1427667819;mats;ketchup chips are amazing
1079199;1427667819;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1079200;1427667841;nubbins`;jurov i'm canadian fwiw
1079201;1427667851;nubbins`;ketchup flavored potato chips are popular here
1079202;1427667872;nubbins`;and apparently now doritos (traditionally cheesy flavored corn chips) has ketchup flavor
1079203;1427667882;nubbins`;they taste very strange, ketchup-flavored corn chips.
1079204;1427667891;jurov;jurov i'm canadian << ha i was waiting for this
1079205;1427667896;nubbins`;8)
1079206;1427667929;Adlai;does your routine
1079207;1427667933;Adlai;involve some poutine?
1079208;1427667947;jurov;eh?
1079209;1427667947;Adlai;do you set the table
1079210;1427667952;Adlai;with syrup of maple?
1079211;1427667956;jurov;ehh?
1079212;1427667969;*;Adlai imitates dr seuss re: land of the moose
1079213;1427668096;nubbins`;there's a couple living on the other side of the harbour that owns goats and taps maple trees
1079214;1427668100;nubbins`;i'm not a huge fan of maple
1079215;1427668205;jurov;and i don't get why flavored doritos are O.o ... at first glance i was thinking it has something with blood
1079216;1427668222;jurov;now *that* would be something... blood-flavored
1079217;1427668232;nubbins`;heh
1079218;1427668254;nubbins`;jurov this is like coming across mustard-flavored jellybeans
1079219;1427668540;jurov;http://aeon.co/magazine/society/what-roman-slave-owners-knew-about-managing-staff/
1079220;1427668541;assbot;Management theories from Roman slave-owners – Jerry Toner – Aeon ... ( http://bit.ly/1He56g3 )
1079221;1427668546;jurov;"Buying any old slave risked contaminating the morale of the whole household."
1079222;1427669157;mircea_popescu;punkman ozzie govt only needs courts if it needs them.
1079223;1427669366;mircea_popescu;http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11424037 << tellingly, this is not the front page of the nyt, wapo adn every single other usg propaganda leaflet.
1079224;1427669366;assbot;A court case so secret, US Govt says it can't go on ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6leSg )
1079225;1427669520;mircea_popescu;jurov that piece is, roughly speaking, the result of a cat reading a mayan calendar and inputting the result into google translate.
1079226;1427669628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00025784 = 10.1073 BTC [-]
1079227;1427669872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00025782 = 9.0108 BTC [-] {2} 
1079228;1427671397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00025771 = 10.8625 BTC [-]
1079229;1427671519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46873 @ 0.00025751 = 12.0703 BTC [-]
1079230;1427674764;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: where can one turn for a better reading on slave treatment in the period?
1079231;1427674898;Adlai;ben_vulpes: primo, latinam studere
1079232;1427674969;jurov;kakobrekla/lampelina btw, you can remove havelock from bitcoin-assets.com ?
1079233;1427674986;jurov;!seen Enky
1079234;1427674991;jurov;;;seen Enky
1079235;1427674992;gribble;Enky was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 42 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 16 seconds ago:  Hi, thank you
1079236;1427675016;jurov;and bitcoin trading signals, too, i guess
1079237;1427675056;jurov;and add... whoever wants yourself added, let yourself be heard
1079238;1427675115;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1079239;1427675123;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/private-lawsuit-dismissed-because-of-state-secrets-privilege/
1079240;1427675151;BingoBoingo; ... << tellingly, this is not the front page of the nyt, wapo adn every single other usg propaganda leaflet. << It made the front page of qntra
1079241;1427675278;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/30r5z9/private_lawsuit_dismissed_because_of_state/
1079242;1427675279;assbot;Private Lawsuit Dismissed Because of State Secrets Privilege : politics ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOc1lz )
1079243;1427675307;jurov;we can bet if this will get "downvoted" or disappeared straight
1079244;1427675392;jurov;and additionally if qntra will get added to /r/politics banned list :D
1079245;1427675465;BingoBoingo;It's a bigger subreddit. Will prolly disappear because qntra is not whitelisted through their payola system
1079246;1427675631;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10923869#msg10923869
1079247;1427675632;assbot;Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOcCne )
1079248;1427675652;nubbins`;Man Attempts to Purchase Private Key for $2,000 Above Value of BTC Contained Therein
1079249;1427675676;nubbins`;now that's a headline
1079250;1427675749;nubbins`;BingoBoingo "Neither party to the lawsuit a part of the government or a contractor"
1079251;1427675757;nubbins`;should read "Neither party to the lawsuit is a part of the government or a contractor"
1079252;1427675778;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: fxd
1079253;1427675786;nubbins`;suite
1079254;1427676787;jurov;!mpif
1079255;1427676788;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021375 B (Total: 467.44 B). Delta: 0.31 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1079256;1427676797;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1079257;1427676797;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (1000 shares, 0.21 BTC)
1079258;1427676887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240050 @ 0.00026016 = 62.4514 BTC [+] {6} 
1079259;1427677253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.0002631 = 17.1541 BTC [+]
1079260;1427678473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.0002631 = 5.3936 BTC [+]
1079261;1427678961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.0002631 = 15.2335 BTC [+]
1079262;1427679571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.0002575 = 15.9135 BTC [-] {2} 
1079263;1427680038;Adlai;aha, "The Romans thought clever slaves were troublesome and a threat"
1079264;1427680121;Adlai;cf "I divide officers into four classes -- the clever, the lazy, the stupid and the industrious. Each officer possesses at least two of these qualities. Those who are clever and industrious are fitted for the high staff appointments. Use can be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy is fit for the very highest commands. He has the temperament and the requisite nerves to
1079265;1427680124;Adlai;deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)
1079266;1427680730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201600 @ 0.0002633 = 53.0813 BTC [+] {3} 
1079267;1427682987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82841 @ 0.00026499 = 21.952 BTC [+]
1079268;1427684146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63050 @ 0.00026717 = 16.8451 BTC [+] {2} 
1079269;1427684364;nubbins`;at least two? o.O
1079270;1427684372;nubbins`;clever, lazy, and stupid, say?
1079271;1427684515;Adlai;say what?
1079272;1427684804;Apocalyptic;nubbins`, from what follows it seems it's exactly 2
1079273;1427684903;ben_vulpes;surely there's a tripartate tradeoff to be made here
1079274;1427684916;ben_vulpes;clever, industrious, (???) - pick two
1079275;1427684999;nubbins`;Adlai (clever/stupid), (lazy/industrious) but he says all his officers had /at least/ two of the qualities
1079276;1427685027;nubbins`;black, white, hot, cold. pick three :D
1079277;1427685040;Adlai;!s impossible color
1079278;1427685041;assbot;4 results for 'impossible color' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=impossible+color
1079279;1427685965;mats;i rather like the way de officer training works
1079280;1427686220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165481 @ 0.0002713 = 44.895 BTC [+] {2} 
1079281;1427686281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7460 @ 0.00027337 = 2.0393 BTC [+]
1079282;1427686597;mats;us mil incentives for officers is rather broken imo
1079283;1427686663;mats;lotta mustangs (enlisted-to-officer types) get fucked monetarily and often don't pass major/LTC because of the way officers are compelled to go "up or out"
1079284;1427686768;ben_vulpes;"economic draft", not news.
1079285;1427686778;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1079286;1427686799;ben_vulpes;goal is to make more plebs dependent on the state, not a greater army.
1079287;1427687097;mats;i wonder how much demand there is for another mpexbot
1079288;1427687130;mats;did the original thing pass orders? or just report the book?
1079289;1427687261;Vexual;hey if i fit all four of general vont kuntzs decriptors, does that neccessitate my immediate removal TO the highest command?
1079290;1427687379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48720 @ 0.00027535 = 13.4151 BTC [+]
1079291;1427687397;decimation;http://nacin.com/2015/03/29/us-digital-service/ < lol now you can volunteer to help usg
1079292;1427687398;assbot;I’ve joined the White House’s U.S. Digital Service | Nacin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DiMduX )
1079293;1427687684;mod6;mats: both
1079294;1427687745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115782 @ 0.00027598 = 31.9535 BTC [+] {2} 
1079295;1427687806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166499 @ 0.00027525 = 45.8288 BTC [-] {4} 
1079296;1427688080;mats;$vwap s.mpoe
1079297;1427688418;decimation;;;ticker
1079298;1427688419;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.59, Best ask: 245.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 245.62, 24 hour volume: 37807.03512289, 24 hour low: 236.24, 24 hour high: 252.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1079299;1427689101;nubbins`;risc os: wat
1079300;1427689270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67928 @ 0.00027013 = 18.3494 BTC [-]
1079301;1427689453;asciilifeform;nubbins`: wai where ?!
1079302;1427689559;asciilifeform; jurov that piece is, roughly speaking, the result of a cat reading a mayan calendar and inputting the result into google translate. << it's actually a -double- ripoff. actually a condensed plagiarism of 'the roman guide to slave management' (j. toner) - an equally 'zebra hitler'-y work
1079303;1427689591;asciilifeform;(what's a 'zebra hitler' ? it is this kind of 'historical' work. as exemplified by http://www.pbfcomics.com/209 )
1079304;1427689592;assbot;The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/1Id8DeJ )
1079305;1427689767;nubbins`;asciilifeform heh, it's available for raspi. got me reading. a true anomaly
1079306;1427689880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112843 @ 0.00026884 = 30.3367 BTC [-] {3} 
1079307;1427689915;asciilifeform;nubbins`: risc os is an interesting '80s relic
1079308;1427689925;asciilifeform;msdos-era thingie, with graphics and cooperative multitasking
1079309;1427689939;asciilifeform;(one fandangoing proggy can hose machine)
1079310;1427689945;nubbins`;apparently there's a band of weirdos still polishing it
1079311;1427689952;asciilifeform;like the beos folks, yes
1079312;1427689961;nubbins`;aha
1079313;1427689962;nubbins`;bebox!
1079314;1427689984;asciilifeform;i suspect there will be folks worshipping '80s detritus for many, many years
1079315;1427690004;asciilifeform;like the barbarians decorating sword hilts with pieces of roman mosaic in 500 ad
1079316;1427690030;asciilifeform;hell, we're all using '70s os
1079317;1427690039;nubbins`;or adults watching 80s cartoons on youtube
1079318;1427690044;nubbins`;8)
1079319;1427690063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100550 @ 0.00026428 = 26.5734 BTC [-] {2} 
1079320;1427690067;nubbins`;spent an enjoyable evening getting a gentoo vm up and running from scratch, in the meantime
1079321;1427690179;decimation;asciilifeform: might as well run it on a 6502 chip :)
1079322;1427690380;nubbins`;meantime, anyone run into this? make: Nothing to be done for 'pogoplug_defconfig'.
1079323;1427690394;asciilifeform;nubbins`: let me guess, already built once ?
1079324;1427690417;asciilifeform;that part just copies configs to the correct spots, it doesn't build anything
1079325;1427690422;asciilifeform;gotta 'make' after that.
1079326;1427690428;nubbins`;ah.
1079327;1427690434;asciilifeform;read the recipe again
1079328;1427690454;asciilifeform;step 8 - 10
1079329;1427690865;nubbins`;ok, here we go
1079330;1427691341;ben_vulpes;nubbins` abandoning the macbox?
1079331;1427691371;nubbins`;nah, dat shiny window manager. running gentoo via virtualbox
1079332;1427691388;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: built pogotron yet ?
1079333;1427691954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25706 @ 0.00027548 = 7.0815 BTC [+]
1079334;1427692686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00027548 = 13.3883 BTC [+]
1079335;1427693113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66896 @ 0.00027264 = 18.2385 BTC [-]
1079336;1427694236;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i might get to it tomorrow night
1079337;1427695065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00027264 = 5.4255 BTC [-]
1079338;1427697060;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, straight plagiarism would require reading source material.
1079339;1427697073;mircea_popescu;i doubt anyone in the usacademia has read anything first hand in the past three decades.
1079340;1427697078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00027232 = 22.766 BTC [-] {2} 
1079341;1427697139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70534 @ 0.00026587 = 18.7529 BTC [-]
1079342;1427697175;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com/search?q=primo,+latinam+studere << google first hit for me is here.
1079343;1427697176;assbot;primo, latinam studere - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIPkLa )
1079344;1427697206;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo win.
1079345;1427697587;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079265 << would readily explain what's wrong with the us.
1079346;1427697587;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 01:48:44; Adlai: deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)
1079347;1427697591;mircea_popescu;they took the opposite tack.
1079348;1427697680;mircea_popescu;http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079288 http://trilema.com/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/ full work sample quoted there.
1079349;1427697680;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 03:45:30; mats: did the original thing pass orders? or just report the book?
1079350;1427697681;assbot;The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.  ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIPRgj )
1079351;1427697738;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically, "the protocols of the elders of zion" is not an isolated product, much like the spec of dust that has a light shone on just right isn't the only spec available in the area.
1079352;1427697749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0002631 = 4.2359 BTC [-] {2} 
1079353;1427697791;mircea_popescu;http://www.pbfcomics.com/209 << original zebra hitler
1079354;1427697792;assbot;The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/1Id8DeJ )
1079355;1427699396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00026271 = 8.1966 BTC [-]
1079356;1427699548;cazalla;g'evening all.. so what do exactly do i need to access the pogo via serial port?
1079357;1427699562;cazalla;seen a few diff serial cables around so it's all a bit new to me
1079358;1427699687;trinque;cazalla: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt << soldering instructions here, as well as net console
1079359;1427699689;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWH0qn )
1079360;1427699699;trinque;I used the net console method without issue
1079361;1427699896;cazalla;thanks trinque
1079362;1427700677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19522 @ 0.00026881 = 5.2477 BTC [+] {2} 
1079363;1427700738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00026858 = 11.8444 BTC [-] {2} 
1079364;1427700982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18854 @ 0.00027264 = 5.1404 BTC [+]
1079365;1427701104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00027473 = 4.1622 BTC [+]
1079366;1427701287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30391 @ 0.0002736 = 8.315 BTC [-]
1079367;1427703056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88270 @ 0.00027354 = 24.1454 BTC [-] {2} 
1079368;1427703817;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1079369;1427703836;Vexual;heyo
1079370;1427703971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00026273 = 5.2546 BTC [-]
1079371;1427704135;Vexual;qantas to put highly trained hosties in the cockpit while the pilot takes a piss. Is'nt that what just happened?
1079372;1427704288;Vexual;heck i don't need a piss on a 14 hour flight, the drinks come so slow
1079373;1427704484;Vexual;hey look, im tweeting
1079374;1427704558;BingoBoingo;O.o
1079375;1427704642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46165 @ 0.00026272 = 12.1285 BTC [-] {2} 
1079376;1427704834;Vexual;just the general form of my prose bb
1079377;1427705091;BingoBoingo;Ah
1079378;1427705283;Vexual;@ventti envoyez plus de trucs gratuits
1079379;1427705404;Vexual;thats why twitter doent work, noone does it
1079380;1427705594;BingoBoingo;I see
1079381;1427705894;thestringpuller;mornings
1079382;1427705983;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1079383;1427706197;Vexual;morin tsp
1079384;1427706476;Vexual;id buy yall a coffee, but its better to wake up slowly
1079385;1427706571;thestringpuller;i went to bed 8 hours ago, so I'm wide awake
1079386;1427706589;thestringpuller;gonna start going to bed as the sun goes down like an old person
1079387;1427706673;Vexual;wise beyond your years i suppose
1079388;1427706707;thestringpuller;I'd rather wake up when everyone is asleep cuz I hate people.
1079389;1427706720;Vexual;thats why i dont drink on nye
1079390;1427706835;Vexual;drunks errywhere
1079391;1427706963;Vexual;also i got caught on an instroke with friedcat/havelock
1079392;1427707004;Vexual;i was almost finished too
1079393;1427707051;BingoBoingo;!up bb_
1079394;1427707388;Vexual;fxkin oriental sex manufacturer dolls
1079395;1427707457;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Still better than the Inuit doll manufcterer sex
1079396;1427707556;Vexual;oooh rawhide?
1079397;1427707631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00025761 = 18.6767 BTC [-]
1079398;1427707675;BingoBoingo;rawhide and bear oil for lube
1079399;1427707766;Vexual;yeah i might stick with camgirls and waterbased
1079400;1427707807;Vexual;ive herad that bearoil gets adulterated with amphetamines eh
1079401;1427708147;thestringpuller;!up Vexual
1079402;1427708161;thestringpuller;that nicotine buzz lol
1079403;1427708181;thestringpuller;!up Xuthus
1079404;1427708479;Vexual;melbourne to ban smoking in the cbd
1079405;1427708516;Vexual;yes i bought a tv; the foxtel girl never came back, and she left a diamond earring?! wtf
1079406;1427708607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11485 @ 0.00025761 = 2.9587 BTC [-]
1079407;1427709051;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XszE4RynIKU big rock
1079408;1427709122;Vexual;first things i saw
1079409;1427709191;Vexual;why she was selling cable i dunno
1079410;1427709207;Vexual;gap year i can only suppose
1079411;1427709254;Vexual;dumb as shit, musta someone bought em for her
1079412;1427709331;Vexual;prolly working for the govt in france nao
1079413;1427709352;Vexual;head coked to one side
1079414;1427709373;Vexual;that should read cocked
1079415;1427709826;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CwmhYw6NMk
1079416;1427709833;Vexual;;;seen duffer
1079417;1427709833;gribble;duffer was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 35 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes, and 2 seconds ago:  ya saw earlier today as it happened /wish i had free capital
1079418;1427709844;Vexual;fuck that long
1079419;1427709867;Vexual;research must be going well
1079420;1427709905;Vexual;hmmm...
1079421;1427710087;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1079422;1427710239;Vexual;does he go by another handle?
1079423;1427710585;*;Vexual shakes head slowly
1079424;1427710736;jurov;Vexual waitwhat? you fapped to friedcat/havelock using bear oil?
1079425;1427710759;Vexual;no, but i was in for a few bits when he dissappeared
1079426;1427710809;jurov;in where?
1079427;1427710832;Vexual;well, havelock essentially
1079428;1427710881;Vexual;coinbr is next
1079429;1427710888;Vexual;i love a bit of inout
1079430;1427710920;*;jurov gives out
1079431;1427710929;Vexual;shh
1079432;1427710979;jurov;er.. i meant gave up :DDD
1079433;1427710988;Vexual;shh
1079434;1427711037;*;jurov cowers before beardoll
1079435;1427711098;Vexual;yeah im kinda broke now
1079436;1427711143;jurov;!ticker
1079437;1427711143;assbot;You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
1079438;1427711148;jurov;;;ticker
1079439;1427711150;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.98, Best ask: 245.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 245.99, 24 hour volume: 33440.25854513, 24 hour low: 236.24, 24 hour high: 252.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1079440;1427711193;Vexual;where are you from anyay?
1079441;1427711258;Vexual;i know naphex and nano now, but i still cant slovakia slovenia
1079442;1427711291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85169 @ 0.00026646 = 22.6941 BTC [+] {2} 
1079443;1427711345;jurov;it's euro in-joke
1079444;1427711364;Vexual;what? it's the same?
1079445;1427711385;jurov;shh
1079446;1427711392;Vexual;lol
1079447;1427711628;Vexual;i must depart, ive spilt things
1079448;1427711840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80700 @ 0.00026935 = 21.7365 BTC [+]
1079449;1427712389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74048 @ 0.00026277 = 19.4576 BTC [-] {2} 
1079450;1427712877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68000 @ 0.00026032 = 17.7018 BTC [-]
1079451;1427713243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49773 @ 0.00026841 = 13.3596 BTC [+] {2} 
1079452;1427713365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18895 @ 0.00026032 = 4.9187 BTC [-]
1079453;1427713426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30405 @ 0.00025738 = 7.8256 BTC [-]
1079454;1427714341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110686 @ 0.00025729 = 28.4784 BTC [-] {2} 
1079455;1427714402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55450 @ 0.00027147 = 15.053 BTC [+] {3} 
1079456;1427716049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7438 @ 0.00025715 = 1.9127 BTC [-]
1079457;1427717612;jurov;!t m s.mpex
1079458;1427717612;assbot;The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
1079459;1427717619;jurov;!t m s.mpoe
1079460;1427717619;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00025715 / 0.0002675 / 0.0002812 (4589948 shares, 1,227.82 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.0002492 / 0.00028207 (25918080 shares, 6,458.81 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00031363 / 0.0004493 (89667991 shares, 28,122.63 BTC)
1079461;1427717624;jurov;!t m s.qntr
1079462;1427717624;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024784 / 0.00028609 (45159 shares, 11.19 BTC)
1079463;1427718644;funkenstein_;assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire. <--  i followed neil young trail, now even more confused
1079464;1427718916;funkenstein_;jurov thanks for crediting my coinbr account
1079465;1427718938;jurov;what?
1079466;1427718971;funkenstein_;i made a deposit, it showed up :)
1079467;1427718984;funkenstein_;!rate jurov 1
1079468;1427718984;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/83089e4c6a0f4c91
1079469;1427719023;jurov;ah. it's down atm, due to maintenance
1079470;1427719035;jurov;back in a minute
1079471;1427719037;funkenstein_;oh ok, everything ok?
1079472;1427719126;jurov;yes
1079473;1427719404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19913 @ 0.00025715 = 5.1206 BTC [-]
1079474;1427719431;BingoBoingo;http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/03/free-flap-surgery/
1079475;1427719433;assbot;Anesthesia Resident Finishes Reading Entire Internet During Free Flap Surgery | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dduxiw )
1079476;1427719504;jurov;funkenstein_: it's done and back online
1079477;1427719565;jurov;interesting you've chosen that exact moment to mention coinbr, it unnerved me a bit :)
1079478;1427719644;funkenstein_;the great spirit has spoken
1079479;1427719648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41830 @ 0.00025715 = 10.7566 BTC [-]
1079480;1427719670;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/spence-jackson-spokesman-for-the-late-tom-schweich-found-dead/article_81520750-f9cd-560c-8ecd-78163eeed778.html << The plot thickens
1079481;1427719671;assbot;Spence Jackson, spokesman for the late Tom Schweich, found dead : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdvEPg )
1079482;1427719892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.0002576 = 5.6672 BTC [+]
1079483;1427720807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.0002576 = 2.3055 BTC [+]
1079484;1427721906;mod6;;;later tell funkenstein_ http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 << this dpaste expired, can you create a non-expiring pastebin for this?
1079485;1427721907;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8nicp )
1079486;1427721907;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1079487;1427722942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84748 @ 0.00026307 = 22.2947 BTC [+]
1079488;1427723125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00027419 = 13.5176 BTC [+] {2} 
1079489;1427723491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49950 @ 0.00026265 = 13.1194 BTC [-] {2} 
1079490;1427726053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16913 @ 0.00026801 = 4.5329 BTC [+]
1079491;1427727434;nubbins`;<+cazalla> g'evening all.. so what do exactly do i need to access the pogo via serial port? <<< any usb-to-serial converter will do. i think mine was "deluxe" and cost $10 from arduino-supply shop
1079492;1427727485;nubbins`;https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873
1079493;1427727489;assbot;SparkFun FTDI Basic Breakout - 3.3V - DEV-09873 - SparkFun Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9BoJ1 )
1079494;1427727519;nubbins`;(deluxe in this sense means that it's brightly coloured, has the word "fun" on it)
1079495;1427727614;asciilifeform;nubbins` et al: if you have a genuine serial port on your box, something based on max232 (e.g., http://www.amazon.com/Nextrox%C2%AE-MAX232-Converter-Adapter-Module/dp/B00BXCYAO6 ) will also work
1079496;1427727615;assbot;Amazon.com: Nextrox® New MAX232 RS232 To TTL Converter/Adapter Module Board: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9BIaO )
1079497;1427727630;asciilifeform;otherwise the usb thing.
1079498;1427727883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30995 @ 0.00027176 = 8.4232 BTC [+] {2} 
1079499;1427728249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00026078 = 12.9868 BTC [-] {2} 
1079500;1427728432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00025994 = 13.127 BTC [-] {2} 
1079501;1427728798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00026485 = 1.854 BTC [+]
1079502;1427728825;thestringpuller;ls
1079503;1427728826;thestringpuller;screen -r 3
1079504;1427728829;thestringpuller;oops
1079505;1427728830;thestringpuller;LOL
1079506;1427729059;danielpbarron;height=304635 vs height=218492
1079507;1427729065;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078523 << no
1079508;1427729065;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 03:30:50; mircea_popescu: did you get wiki editing rights ?
1079509;1427729077;danielpbarron;http://n-o-d-e.net/post/115030545546/how-to-build-a-bitcoin-node-on-the-raspberry-pi-2
1079510;1427729078;assbot;N O D E ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9GchE )
1079511;1427729458;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1079035 << i did it; it worked. I'm still getting spam emails from them
1079512;1427729458;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 18:48:34; asciilifeform: nubbins`: notice how nobody here bothered with the 'request unlock' thing or even knows if it ever worked
1079513;1427729521;nubbins`;haha
1079514;1427729528;nubbins`;i am also still getting spam
1079515;1427730126;pete_dushenski;http://www.righto.com/2014/10/how-z80s-registers-are-implemented-down.html << since 'z80' receives so many mentions around here, this may be of interest to log readers
1079516;1427730128;assbot;Down to the silicon: how the Z80's registers are implemented ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9IZaE )
1079517;1427730273;pete_dushenski;ken shirriff also has a neat piece on the ibm 1401, which were apparently dead reliable, used decimal arithmetic, and were rented for upwards of $10k/mo in 1960. oh the bygone days of computing!
1079518;1427730279;pete_dushenski;here: http://www.righto.com/2015/03/12-minute-mandelbrot-fractals-on-50.html
1079519;1427730280;assbot;12-minute Mandelbrot: fractals on a 50 year old IBM 1401 mainframe ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9JscM )
1079520;1427730390;nubbins`;gross, virtual hd ran outta space
1079521;1427730399;nubbins`;turns out 8gb ain't enough
1079522;1427730665;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1079523;1427730671;gribble;Current Blocks: 349957 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 826 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 20 hours, 35 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50380137909.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.83986
1079524;1427730722;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079484 << https://archive.today/sqYlH
1079525;1427730722;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 13:25:06; mod6: ;;later tell funkenstein_ http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5 << this dpaste expired, can you create a non-expiring pastebin for this?
1079526;1427730723;assbot;dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9KS6Y )
1079527;1427730792;mod6;danielpbarron: got it thanks.
1079528;1427730801;*;danielpbarron breaths sigh of relief now that caught up on logs
1079529;1427730820;pete_dushenski;http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/03/30/one-dead-two-injured-outside-nsa-gate/ << ft meade kerfuffle
1079530;1427730822;assbot;Two Injured Outside NSA Gate « CBS DC ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9Lbib )
1079531;1427730822;nubbins`;phew!
1079532;1427730968;nubbins`;"There is no indication that the incident was terrorism-related."
1079533;1427730970;nubbins`;fuck i hate that word
1079534;1427730991;nubbins`;what they're attempting to say, in different words, is "there is no reason for you, pleb, to feel scared"
1079535;1427731002;fluffypony;you hate "indication"?
1079536;1427731009;nubbins`;:P
1079537;1427731030;nubbins`;with the implication that in the future, when the incident IS terrorism-related, y'all better get scared
1079538;1427731169;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski the token canadian
1079539;1427731174;thestringpuller;(jk nubbins` )
1079540;1427731193;nubbins`;i'm as far away from a token canadian as you can get
1079541;1427731199;pete_dushenski;can you have more than one token ?
1079542;1427731217;nubbins`;only at noah's arcade
1079543;1427732153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54881 @ 0.00026925 = 14.7767 BTC [+] {3} 
1079544;1427732396;fluffypony;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/nyregion/silk-road-case-federal-agents-charges.html?_r=1
1079545;1427732399;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9PNFb )
1079546;1427732439;pete_dushenski;Mr. Force, while investigating Silk Road, “stole and converted to his own personal use a sizeable amount of bitcoins,†>> heh
1079547;1427732449;fluffypony;great name though
1079548;1427732461;pete_dushenski;real name ya think ?
1079549;1427732465;fluffypony;"the name's Force, Carl Force. Carl Mark Force IV."
1079550;1427732494;pete_dushenski;sounds like the name of a lincoln car
1079551;1427732538;pete_dushenski;scoop http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/29/the-shoe-shine-kids-great-grandson-and-creme-eggs/
1079552;1427732539;assbot;The shoe-shine kid’s great-grandson. And creme eggs. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Erd0oB )
1079553;1427732543;nubbins`;so maybe someone's come across this before. i created an 8gb VDI disk in virtualbox but ran outta space. so i cloned it into a 15gb dynamically-allocated disk, pointed the vm at the new disk, virtualbox correctly reports the hd as 14gb
1079554;1427732614;nubbins`;but gentoo isn't picking up the change
1079555;1427732679;fluffypony;nubbins`: you need to resize the partition within Linux
1079556;1427732701;nubbins`;yeah, that's where i'm stuck. fdisk /dev/sda reports a size mismatch
1079557;1427732714;nubbins`;says "will be corrected by w(rite)"
1079558;1427732734;nubbins`;but w says fdisk: failed to write disklabel: Invalid argument
1079559;1427732826;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 228 @ 0.0044009 = 1.0034 BTC [+] {3} 
1079560;1427733108;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/
1079561;1427733108;assbot;Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErfZ0t )
1079562;1427733239;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo wd.
1079563;1427733259;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1079564;1427733263;gribble;Current Blocks: 349962 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 821 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 20 hours, 44 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50426253807.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.93857
1079565;1427733288;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well, I have another 38 blocks until I can hit publish on the other short piece I put together this morning
1079566;1427733309;nubbins`;BingoBoingo :0
1079567;1427733311;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/
1079568;1427733314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00026145 = 17.125 BTC [-] {3} 
1079569;1427733319;pete_dushenski;that bitcoin backing time again...
1079570;1427733320;nubbins`;hm is persecuted the right word
1079571;1427733345;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Yes. He wanted to opt out of their oppression, but they wouldn't let him.
1079572;1427733380;nubbins`;;;dict persecution
1079573;1427733381;gribble;wn: persecution n 1: the act of persecuting (especially on the basis of race or religion)
1079574;1427733384;nubbins`;groan
1079575;1427733390;nubbins`;;;dict persecute
1079576;1427733393;gribble;wn: persecute v 1: cause to suffer; "Jews were persecuted in the former Soviet Union" [syn: {persecute}, {oppress}]
1079577;1427733410;nubbins`;ugh, where are these definitions coming from?
1079578;1427733447;Chillum;etymology?
1079579;1427733468;Chillum;;;dict prosecute
1079580;1427733469;gribble;wn: prosecute v 1: conduct a prosecution in a court of law 2: bring a criminal action against (in a trial); "The State of California prosecuted O.J. Simpson" [ant: {defend}, {represent}] 3: carry out or participate in an activity; be involved in; "She pursued many activities"; "They engaged in a discussion" [syn: {prosecute}, {engage}, {pursue}]
1079581;1427733475;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: See they made him suffer
1079582;1427733497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00025865 = 2.496 BTC [-]
1079583;1427733499;BingoBoingo;Chillum: Prosecute is the wrong word. Lawyers prosecute. Agents persecute.
1079584;1427733517;Chillum;one can do both
1079585;1427733524;BingoBoingo;Lawyers indeed can do both.
1079586;1427733550;Chillum;you have to be really stupid to get caught stealing bitcoins
1079587;1427733567;Chillum;but then... government workers
1079588;1427733571;BingoBoingo;But Mr. Mark Force IV is not a member of the bar, so no prosecuting for him.
1079589;1427733580;nubbins`;BingoBoingo persecution is sustained, systematic suffering
1079590;1427733589;nubbins`;i'm not persecuting you if i hold you down and fart on your head.
1079591;1427733609;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: You are though if you keep it up for years
1079592;1427733620;*;nubbins` shrugs
1079593;1427733622;nubbins`;your headline
1079594;1427733643;mike_c;you know the suffix isn't part of the abbreviated name, right? like bob jones III is just mr. jones.
1079595;1427733646;BingoBoingo;It is my responsibility as media people to frame the discussion
1079596;1427733692;BingoBoingo;That... mike_c I'll have to dig up my AP stylebook...
1079597;1427733732;chetty;what we don't have a b-a stylebook? (rofl)
1079598;1427733749;mike_c;BingoBoingo: see NYT article, they (correctly) just call him mr. force.
1079599;1427733760;mike_c;which is funny enough as is :)
1079600;1427733782;BingoBoingo;I kinda prefer him with a model number...
1079601;1427733805;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein
1079602;1427733840;mike_c;complaint has been unsealed, perhaps it is available?  I'd love to see how many btc they took
1079603;1427733856;BingoBoingo;I'll check pacer in a bit
1079604;1427733905;mike_c;because if it was actually "sizable".. and they didn't get it back..
1079605;1427733926;Chillum;I think if someone has III at the end of their name you just call them Trips
1079606;1427733937;nubbins`;heh
1079607;1427733950;nubbins`;Mr. Force Quad
1079608;1427733963;nubbins`;more like Mr. Force Kin, amirite?
1079609;1427733965;bitstein;BingoBoingo: re: "Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested": Daniel Krawisz has written some fantastic articles about the incentives for defection. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/bitcoins-rugged-individualism/ http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/bitcoins-shroud-of-subtlety-and-allure/ http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-fappening/
1079610;1427733965;assbot;Bitcoin's Rugged Individualism | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlcWa )
1079611;1427733966;assbot;Bitcoin's Shroud of Subtlety and Allure | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlaNT )
1079612;1427733967;assbot;The Fappening — Brought to You By The Information Marketplace | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlaNZ )
1079613;1427734003;BingoBoingo;bitstein: I'll have to give them a re-read.
1079614;1427734351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00027452 = 10.5553 BTC [+]
1079615;1427735016;pete_dushenski;heh "fuck jim prentice" was 2.4% of the search results leading to contravex
1079616;1427735045;pete_dushenski;recall that he's the premier of alberta who threatened sales taxes
1079617;1427735061;BingoBoingo;So either this thing isn't in Pacer yet, or I've been searching the wrong courts
1079618;1427735089;pete_dushenski;he didn't end up introdocing a provincial sales tax, but last week he re-introduced health care premiums and raised gas taxes
1079619;1427735144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00027496 = 13.9955 BTC [+] {3} 
1079620;1427735259;pete_dushenski;"Tobacco taxes will increase by $5 on a 200 cigarette carton. Liquor markups will increase by 90 cents on a case of beer and 16 cents on a bottle of wine or spirits." << moar tackses
1079621;1427735340;*;Chillum builds a still
1079622;1427735377;pete_dushenski;carton of smokes (200 darts) now ~$100 here.
1079623;1427735412;Chillum;glad the stuff I smoke is not taxed
1079624;1427735418;*;pete_dushenski remembers seeing $1.40 packs of marlboros in ukraine
1079625;1427735433;nubbins`;i bought a $15 carton once in japan
1079626;1427735443;pete_dushenski;Chillum you're so black market eh
1079627;1427735452;Chillum;I live in BC, it is a green market
1079628;1427735462;Chillum;even the cops smoke pot around here
1079629;1427735473;pete_dushenski;lol i didn't know we were neighbours
1079630;1427735484;Chillum;I am an Islander
1079631;1427735484;pete_dushenski;if i did, i forgot!
1079632;1427735496;Chillum;(the big one)
1079633;1427735506;pete_dushenski;not queen charlottes then
1079634;1427735538;Chillum;the one that dips below the 49th parallel
1079635;1427735546;pete_dushenski;i haven't been to the 'big island' in a while but i have a trip planned to victoria in may
1079636;1427735564;Chillum;When you come to Vic, send me a message. We can 420
1079637;1427735603;pete_dushenski;i'll try to fit you in
1079638;1427735664;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein
1079639;1427735771;thestringpuller;Canadia and your Beasters
1079640;1427735773;thestringpuller;ick
1079641;1427735803;thestringpuller;Chillum: you would 420 with a name like Chillum. Lemme guess you smoke out of a Chillum? LOL
1079642;1427735894;pete_dushenski;;;google chillum
1079643;1427735895;gribble;Chillum (pipe) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Chillums - Smoking Pipes - Grasscity.com: ; The RIGHT way to smoke a chillum - YouTube: 
1079644;1427735912;pete_dushenski;heh
1079645;1427735918;pete_dushenski;moar scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/30/these-are-the-belladonnas-of-the-digital-garden/
1079646;1427735919;assbot;These are the Belladonnas of the digital garden. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJDNAk )
1079647;1427735928;*;Chillum is getting off topic here, but is hanging out in ##stoned
1079648;1427735957;pete_dushenski;^ if anyone has recommendations of "technologies to avoid for safety, security, and sanity" please to advise
1079649;1427735976;pete_dushenski;it's about time that la serenissima has a list of contraband
1079650;1427735976;thestringpuller;avoid facebook cause it'll give you an anurism
1079651;1427736005;pete_dushenski;read the list i have before 'adding' ;)
1079652;1427736015;pete_dushenski;social media is on there.
1079653;1427736039;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: trying to enumerate badness?
1079654;1427736078;pete_dushenski;broadly speaking
1079655;1427736101;pete_dushenski;trying to identify landmines
1079656;1427736128;thestringpuller;well only OpenSSL had heartbleed
1079657;1427736148;ben_vulpes;os x, smartphones, intel chips
1079658;1427736152;pete_dushenski;of which i grant there are millions, but are bigger fish and smaller fish
1079659;1427736177;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1079660;1427736192;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes smartphones yes, others depend on generation
1079661;1427736208;pete_dushenski;unlike windowz, whose suckage doesn't depend on generation
1079662;1427736226;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller good point.
1079663;1427736228;BingoBoingo; well only OpenSSL had heartbleed << The other big SSL implementations had their own flaws unveiled in the following months that essentially accomplished the same insecurity.
1079664;1427736233;ben_vulpes;10.6 << golden era
1079665;1427736245;pete_dushenski;agreed :)
1079666;1427736257;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: ah i thought there were some "sane" TLS implementations. I don't use it so I can't really speak on it.
1079667;1427736258;BingoBoingo; 10.6 << golden era << 7.5.1
1079668;1427736263;ascii_field;'Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested' << for what it's worth, i predicted that bitcoin will help usg fission into men and groups of men with actual, if unofficial - agency (in the philosophical sense)
1079669;1427736271;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: heh right?
1079670;1427736274;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo i knew you were going to bring up 7!
1079671;1427736294;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: anything made by Apple should be on that list.
1079672;1427736301;thestringpuller;Pre like 1999
1079673;1427736307;thestringpuller;ish
1079674;1427736317;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Seems to already be happening. Mark Force IV was only flawed by a lack of fissures
1079675;1427736330;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#871059 and earlier.
1079676;1427736330;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2014 19:14:19; asciilifeform: ulbricht << unless he's learned to grind rsa in his head, how is this to happen? his jailers will otherwise have the key at their leisure.
1079677;1427736336;thestringpuller;Pretty sure all tech before Dr. Dre's the Chronic 2001 came out is fucked in some way.
1079678;1427736336;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller so pre-ipod/imac ?
1079679;1427736346;thestringpuller;yea.
1079680;1427736364;thestringpuller;Anything pre intel chips
1079681;1427736368;thestringpuller;the PowerPC era
1079682;1427736370;pete_dushenski;well now i wish i had my 450mhz g3 tower !
1079683;1427736380;*;nubbins` has a massive chillum somewhere
1079684;1427736382;thestringpuller;Can't beat MIPS
1079685;1427736395;nubbins`;dat inability to use without a friend
1079686;1427736400;thestringpuller;lol do all canadians smoke nugs?
1079687;1427736404;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/9sxBf51.png
1079688;1427736434;pete_dushenski;^lol!
1079689;1427736443;pete_dushenski;some chug brewskis
1079690;1427736452;mats;i have a pile of powerpc apple laptops
1079691;1427736515;pete_dushenski;useful.
1079692;1427736569;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller ya, the newer stuff is fucked but not beyond usefulness
1079693;1427736575;pete_dushenski;you can't run irc on an ibm 1401
1079694;1427736582;ascii_field;http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/30/nyregion/document-charges-against-former-federal-agents-in-silk-road-investigation.html << mega-l0l
1079695;1427736585;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJGqSV )
1079696;1427736590;ascii_field;^ the thing itself
1079697;1427736599;nubbins`;<+thestringpuller> lol do all canadians smoke nugs? <<< enough do
1079698;1427736604;nubbins`;dat de-facto legalization
1079699;1427736615;pete_dushenski;as long as you can make attacks expensive, newish (not new!) hardware works
1079700;1427736650;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: well you could...but it wouldn't be "fun"
1079701;1427736652;*;nubbins` ports 0.5.3.1 to risc os
1079702;1427736664;pete_dushenski;though i'd be interested to poll b-a'ers as to what hardware they use daily for irc/web
1079703;1427736681;*;ascii_field recommends that everyone read the Force & Bridges indictment, it is an absolute circus
1079704;1427736682;nubbins`;pete_dushenski late-2008 mb
1079705;1427736698;ascii_field;three-ring circus, with elephants, walrus, cacodaemons.
1079706;1427736716;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller right. like web surfing on og lisa or something
1079707;1427736717;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: the implemenation wouldn't be on the level of what most of us are running, but there could be some kind of IRC-like communication. But yea no one wants to run a 1401 for other reasons...
1079708;1427736732;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Any links to where it might be living. Haven't been able to spot it on Pacer.
1079709;1427736745;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: see the last nyt link
1079710;1427736750;thestringpuller;i imagine the future a bunch of people running altair 8800 clones in caves to talk to each other in binary XD
1079711;1427736752;ascii_field;if you can extract the text from there, more win
1079712;1427736754;pete_dushenski;nubbins` 7 years old, not bad
1079713;1427736775;nubbins`;recently upgraded to 8gb ram and a new battery too, breathed a bit of new life
1079714;1427736786;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller lol
1079715;1427736787;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: amd opterons, 'tyan' board circa '07
1079716;1427736795;ascii_field;and buncha lesser machines
1079717;1427736801;nubbins`;+1 for lessers
1079718;1427736807;*;nubbins` has olpc xo-1 somewhere
1079719;1427736811;thestringpuller;ascii_field: and his love of Opterons
1079720;1427736818;thestringpuller;uncanny
1079721;1427736826;thestringpuller;People LIKE YOU love that processor to death
1079722;1427736835;ascii_field;thestringpuller: not much alternative
1079723;1427736839;pete_dushenski;ascii_field you and mp using amd, mac lusers never had this option
1079724;1427736840;nubbins`;actually had a Tandy 1000 SX stashed at my folks' house until last year
1079725;1427736860;nubbins`;they had ppc option ;p
1079726;1427736867;fluffypony;https://twitter.com/charlieshrem/status/582439316988796929
1079727;1427736869;assbot;Well I'm off to prison now! Follow my twitter for tweets from the inside /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash
1079728;1427736875;*;nubbins` ports bitcoind to IBM i
1079729;1427736880;pete_dushenski;true, and i have a ppc tower, but omgerd it's slow
1079730;1427736886;ascii_field;'tweets from the inside' ?!
1079731;1427736888;thestringpuller;ascii_field: I'm just jelly cause I was always too poor to own an opteron machine. I had to stick with the lesser Athlons
1079732;1427736901;nubbins`;ascii_field "tweets from the president"
1079733;1427736908;fluffypony;ascii_field: Shrem is going to the sort of prison where you have Twitter access
1079734;1427736908;ascii_field;thestringpuller: you can probably get same machine that i use every day for less than the cost of a couplea pogos
1079735;1427736917;fluffypony;"prison"
1079736;1427736928;thestringpuller;ascii_field: you're allowed to tweet from inside federal prison known as "club fed"
1079737;1427736928;pete_dushenski;fluffypony and a tennis court
1079738;1427736938;thestringpuller;yes and a tennis court
1079739;1427736941;thestringpuller;and spa day
1079740;1427736948;thestringpuller;and congical visits
1079741;1427736951;pete_dushenski;horses, 9 hole golf course
1079742;1427736959;thestringpuller;Shrem isn't going ot jail, he's going on vacation.
1079743;1427736963;ascii_field;iirc such prisons are largely mythical
1079744;1427736966;thestringpuller;paid for with our tax dollars
1079745;1427736978;thestringpuller;ascii_field: tell that to martha steward :P
1079746;1427736991;nubbins`;^^^^^
1079747;1427737003;ascii_field;sure, if obama goes to prison, one such will be found for him.
1079748;1427737011;ascii_field;as it was for certain mafia dons
1079749;1427737011;nubbins`;i saw a commercial once where martha stewart said she /had to learn how to make creme caramel in the microwave/ while she was in prison
1079750;1427737033;fluffypony;what would be brilliant is if he tweets and then after 3 weeks he goes dark
1079751;1427737040;ascii_field;but for a monkey - why ?
1079752;1427737041;fluffypony;and nobody hears from him for 2 years
1079753;1427737058;fluffypony;till he gets released, and he's become this muscle-bound gangsta covered in prison tats
1079754;1427737069;fluffypony;exacting revenge on the government that put him behind bars
1079755;1427737070;thestringpuller;fluffypony: you watch too much tv
1079756;1427737082;pete_dushenski;http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-XW9400-Workstation-8-Cores-AMD-Opteron-2-5GHz-8GB-RAM-FX1800-768MB-Computer-/201226732787?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eda0c44f3 << maybe 20 pogos worth of opteron here
1079757;1427737084;assbot; HP XW9400 Workstation 8 Cores AMD Opteron 2 5GHz 8GB RAM FX1800 768MB Computer | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJIlXA )
1079758;1427737085;fluffypony;Charlie Shrem: The Revenge
1079759;1427737127;nubbins`;fluffypony your advice re: hdd worked
1079760;1427737137;nubbins`;had to use parted instead of fdisk
1079761;1427737139;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: considerably more juice in that one than what i have
1079762;1427737144;fluffypony;glad I could help nubbins`
1079763;1427737168;nubbins`;ascii_field why opteron?
1079764;1427737175;nubbins`;i ask because i highly doubt it was a casual choice
1079765;1427737176;ascii_field;nubbins`: because ecc and not intel
1079766;1427737176;pete_dushenski;ascii_field and it's still not 'unaffordable'
1079767;1427737192;pete_dushenski;i have ecc on main machine but... intel
1079768;1427737198;thestringpuller;ascii_field: told my buddy about your necessity of ECC ram. his response, "Dafuq he doing? Rocket science? Evil science shit?!?"
1079769;1427737205;*;nubbins` doubts alf casually purchases anything that manipulates electrons
1079770;1427737256;thestringpuller;pretty sure buying ECC RAM in the future will put you on watch list
1079771;1427737262;nubbins`;did i mention that i saw a cop help someone break into a house earlier?
1079772;1427737285;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller well we can't really be more on the 'watch list' then we already are
1079773;1427737290;pete_dushenski;so might as well stock up!
1079774;1427737292;ascii_field;i will confess that upon first coming to #b-a i was greatly surprised that any of the folks involved with something called 'bitcoin assets' might have any doubts as to the necessity of ecc given that correct computation of a certain answer -actually means your arse-
1079775;1427737313;thestringpuller;they treat me pretty nice for black d00d on watch list
1079776;1427737360;pete_dushenski;ascii_field before you came along there was probably more blissful ignorance
1079777;1427737373;pete_dushenski;just as there is everywhere outside of here
1079778;1427737401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44136 @ 0.00027535 = 12.1528 BTC [+] {3} 
1079779;1427737407;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller that's just reverse-racism
1079780;1427737488;ascii_field;mircea_popescu, i think it was, had a term, 'pornwatchingcomputer'
1079781;1427737498;ascii_field;that is to say, a machine where the 'answers' don't actually matter
1079782;1427737525;ascii_field;because so what if it snowcrashes mid-flick, so you have to use imagination, or somethinglikethat
1079783;1427737543;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/30/us-usa-maryland-fortmeade-idUSKBN0MQ1H520150330
1079784;1427737545;assbot;      One dead, one hurt as men try to ram U.S. spy agency gates: reports| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJJWfU )
1079785;1427737553;ascii_field;trinque: appeared earlier in log
1079786;1427737562;trinque;ascii_field: ah, searched for it, overlooked
1079787;1427737565;trinque;figured so
1079788;1427737615;pete_dushenski;mebbe someone was trying to sabotage ft meade's magick bitcoin mining op
1079789;1427737633;trinque;nubbins` | with the implication that in the future, when the incident IS terrorism-related, y'all better get scared
1079790;1427737640;trinque;damn, copied the return
1079791;1427737644;ascii_field;trinque: good time to rehash my observation that the only 'decisive' people, as in out-and-out arms against usg - are the schizos, imbeciles, and provocateurs
1079792;1427737645;trinque;that sounds about right
1079793;1427737648;ascii_field;at least as far as publicly visible
1079794;1427737767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00027236 = 2.0291 BTC [-]
1079795;1427737782;pete_dushenski;ascii_field these are various descriptors for 'non-normies'
1079796;1427737814;pete_dushenski;it makes sense that the typical box-checkers and form-fillers would be... typical
1079797;1427737823;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: these are descriptors for the folks who happily buy faux death rays from feds and imprisoned for life, or ram a gate because the voices commanded it
1079798;1427737868;pete_dushenski;well in that sense, 'decisive' is merely gullible
1079799;1427737887;ascii_field;some years ago, when i still worked at [small usg research outpost] we had a 'gatehouse incident.' much commotion and yellow tape, etc. turned out, guard blew own brains out messily
1079800;1427738016;trinque;I expect more crazies to crack in response to "the walls have ears" as time goes on
1079801;1427738101;nubbins`;i recall in 2002 when the G8 summit was being held in canada, i was working in ottawa at fed gov bldg across the street from department of foreign affairs
1079802;1427738118;nubbins`;main entrance walled off w/ concrete blocks and row upon row of zigzagging gates
1079803;1427738120;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1079804;1427738133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43472 @ 0.00026071 = 11.3336 BTC [-] {2} 
1079805;1427738140;nubbins`;i wander over lunchtime to walk inside, armed guard stops me
1079806;1427738146;nubbins`;"i wanna use the ATM"
1079807;1427738149;nubbins`;lets me thru o.O
1079808;1427738174;ascii_field;'i wanna use the hawaladar, let me through' probably would not work
1079809;1427738194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20138 @ 0.00025715 = 5.1785 BTC [-]
1079810;1427738199;ascii_field;and nubbins` must have left his turban at home that day.
1079811;1427738208;nubbins`;haha
1079812;1427738219;nubbins`;protip to protestors: wear a polo shirt
1079813;1427738256;nubbins`;incidentally, the only sign of protest i saw the entire day was "McMurder" spray painted on the plywooded McDonald's on Rideau
1079814;1427738289;nubbins`;(in addition to the plywood coverings, it was also deemed prudent to cover the McD's-branded awning with a tarp)
1079815;1427738491;trinque;I am surprised at how quickly "not terrorism related" gets stamped on the event
1079816;1427738586;trinque;is the purpose there to avoid "legitimizing" the existence of US-born malcontents?
1079817;1427738743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12648 @ 0.00026082 = 3.2989 BTC [+]
1079818;1427739129;ascii_field;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/us_v_force.tar.gz << BingoBoingo cazalla et al >> qntra cache ?
1079819;1427739292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74650 @ 0.00026826 = 20.0256 BTC [+]
1079820;1427739366;ascii_field;^ describes, among many other lulz, how one of the most damning acts of mr force was to encourage dpr to use pgp
1079821;1427739406;ascii_field;(allegedly to coordinate bribe-taking)
1079822;1427739495;BingoBoingo;lol
1079823;1427739522;ascii_field;and contains howlers like 'the entire point of PGP software is anonymity'
1079824;1427739597;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: consider putting the gifs up
1079825;1427739606;ascii_field;(full de-pdfization)
1079826;1427739645;BingoBoingo;It's in the que
1079827;1427739842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00026082 = 1.4345 BTC [-]
1079828;1427739878;ascii_field;that thing is epic
1079829;1427739898;ascii_field;subpoenas without legal authority? check. involvement of main detectives in btc scamming -check..
1079830;1427739911;ascii_field;makes the original ulbricht accusation look like a total snorefest
1079831;1427739970;BingoBoingo;Updated to include the document
1079832;1427739975;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1079833;1427739988;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: i suggest unzipping
1079834;1427739996;ascii_field;so folks can link to the pages
1079835;1427739999;mircea_popescu;now i gotta read this
1079836;1427740006;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: mega-l0ltr0n
1079837;1427740011;ascii_field;won't regret reading
1079838;1427740015;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/ << o look at that.
1079839;1427740015;assbot;Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1abwpgV )
1079840;1427740028;mircea_popescu;check out that crazy mp saying the usms thing was fraudulent!
1079841;1427740038;mircea_popescu;who would have believed it &c.
1079842;1427740056;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: they don't admit -all of it- having been pinched
1079843;1427740066;mircea_popescu;check out that crazy mp telling sec to back up its supoenas in writing.
1079844;1427740076;mircea_popescu;check out that crazy mp each and every fucking way!
1079845;1427740091;ascii_field;read the damn thing, prepare to pick yourself up from floor
1079846;1427740135;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i will be forever grateful if qntra breaks with the general trend in the "press" and actually points out that MP knew this months ago.
1079847;1427740163;ben_vulpes;> froze a coinmkt account and transferred it to himself
1079848;1427740164;ben_vulpes;noice
1079849;1427740170;mircea_popescu;also it's prosecuted not persecuted, unless intentional.
1079850;1427740214;BingoBoingo; also it's prosecuted not persecuted, unless intentional. << Totally intentional. Preet prosecuted, thugs merely persecuted. With pogroms and fake assassinens
1079851;1427740240;mircea_popescu;aha.
1079852;1427740261;mircea_popescu;good thing they got the conviction through BEFORE saying these people were felons
1079853;1427740268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63454 @ 0.00026082 = 16.5501 BTC [-]
1079854;1427740276;mircea_popescu;that way they don't have to explain to the judge why the testimony of convicted felons should be taken seriously.
1079855;1427740282;BingoBoingo;Also this is why the Maryland murder for hire thing couldn't be tried
1079856;1427740288;mircea_popescu;now let's see the da that KNEW THIS and made this call prosecuted under rico.
1079857;1427740299;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo exactly.
1079858;1427740310;mircea_popescu;it's not like the guy in charge didn't KNOW what was happening.
1079859;1427740328;mircea_popescu;he knew, lied to the judge - which is enough for disbarment, and broke half the laws in the book, which is enough for 20 to life.
1079860;1427740336;mircea_popescu;especially as he conspired with others to do so, who idem 20 to life.
1079861;1427740340;mircea_popescu;now let's see this thing actually done.
1079862;1427740376;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo i will be forever grateful if qntra breaks with the general trend in the "press" and actually points out that MP knew this months ago. << perhaps you want to take this one on? My venom sacs are running low after the disappearing lawsuit and this happening.
1079863;1427740377;mircea_popescu;because no, i won't be impressed or satisfied with a coupla muppet heads cracked open.
1079864;1427740384;ascii_field;pigs will fly, and above speed of light too, before this is prosecuted.
1079865;1427740384;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1079866;1427740391;mircea_popescu;ascii_field makes no difference.
1079867;1427740393;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: the crime was not giving the privkeys to the bossman, if i read correctly
1079868;1427740412;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes in the system they live in, this is a crime.
1079869;1427740514;ben_vulpes;"i was afraid of offending if I sent too little and looking foolish if i sent too much."
1079870;1427740527;ben_vulpes;yeah, this is just the guy who got *busted* for operating SR.
1079871;1427740547;mircea_popescu;actually fuck it, i guess it's time to write a cv.
1079872;1427740568;ben_vulpes;it boggles the mind that Force got DPR using gpg.
1079873;1427740571;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: cv?
1079874;1427740759;mats;resume.
1079875;1427740772;ben_vulpes;mats: der, but for himself, force, dpr?
1079876;1427740804;ben_vulpes;"additional pieces of circumstantial evidence prove that FORCE is "French Maid." Both "French Maid" and Force (operating as "Nob") used the exact same brand of PGP software,a  feww brand called GnuPG. There are different brands of PGP software, so it is noteworthy that both FORCE (operating as "Nob") and "French Maid" used the same brand."
1079877;1427740823;ben_vulpes;look at them flail, trying to apply their old tactics of identity discovery to the new world.
1079878;1427740826;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1079879;1427740828;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DH0ZV7.txt )
1079880;1427740845;ben_vulpes;"they also both used the same outdated version of that software 1.4.12"
1079881;1427740878;ben_vulpes;"...the outdated version that both "French Maid" and FORCE (as Nob) used is more of a "signature" given the greater number of versions available."
1079882;1427740883;ben_vulpes;listen up, logreaders.
1079883;1427740895;chetty;omg, we all log on to b-a, must be the same person
1079884;1427740907;ben_vulpes;there is only one kind of signature that can prove identity in this marvelous world where grownups use crypto.
1079885;1427740909;ben_vulpes;a fucking signature.
1079886;1427740912;ben_vulpes;it starts like this
1079887;1427740925;ben_vulpes;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
1079888;1427740951;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: ever sit on a jury in usa? recall what it was like ?
1079889;1427740973;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: they don't let real humans actually sit.
1079890;1427740986;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: l0l i did
1079891;1427740998;ben_vulpes;how hard did you work to get through voire dire?
1079892;1427741001;ascii_field;was a petty theft case but very instructive
1079893;1427741005;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: got lucky
1079894;1427741011;ben_vulpes;what is it with you and self flagellation with the usg scourge
1079895;1427741021;ascii_field;anyway, this crud is not intended to prove anything to jury, but to the defense attorney
1079896;1427741027;ben_vulpes;correct.
1079897;1427741027;mircea_popescu;lmao it's totally notable yeah
1079898;1427741033;mircea_popescu;as in "he uses terrorists brand"
1079899;1427741034;ascii_field;namely that he should tell his client to plead
1079900;1427741048;ascii_field;because 'surrender now, watertight case'
1079901;1427741053;mircea_popescu;"and also the last uncompromised one, at that."
1079902;1427741244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00026826 = 3.1252 BTC [+]
1079903;1427741350;ben_vulpes;for the record, the gpg.conf flag that excludes versions is 'no-emit-version'
1079904;1427741397;mircea_popescu;it still HAS a version.
1079905;1427741402;mircea_popescu;but yeah
1079906;1427741489;jurov;"both perps had version string disabled, hence same person "
1079907;1427741542;*;BingoBoingo soliciting pieces of force case. So many stories here can probably publish multiple takes.
1079908;1427741686;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: http://qntra.net/bundles/force/ (some still uploading)
1079909;1427741686;assbot;Index of /bundles/force ... ( http://bit.ly/1abA7qS )
1079910;1427741824;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1079911;1427741914;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/3HYQ3EX.txt
1079912;1427741915;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1abACks )
1079913;1427741916;ascii_field;ferglubbsake
1079914;1427741932;ascii_field;nobody wants to sit and click
1079915;1427742224;jurov;http://www.cypherspace.org/adam/hacks/lotus-nsa-key.html
1079916;1427742225;assbot;NSA Backdoor Key from Lotus-Notes ... ( http://bit.ly/1abBmWU )
1079917;1427742237;jurov;i have put it into phuctor, found nothing
1079918;1427742258;ascii_field;the lotus thing is ancient history
1079919;1427742281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00026418 = 7.331 BTC [-] {2} 
1079920;1427742320;ascii_field;the translation isn't ru either
1079921;1427742328;ascii_field;it's be
1079922;1427742338;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: fixed
1079923;1427742342;nubbins`;they make nice coins
1079924;1427742358;ascii_field;http://qntra.net/bundles/force << congrats BingoBoingo
1079925;1427742359;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1abBGFb )
1079926;1427742361;nubbins`;well. they sell nice coins. i doubt they mint 'em domestically
1079927;1427742544;nubbins`;last couple of gifs show the masterminds
1079928;1427742717;ascii_field;everyone who loaded BingoBoingo's original link, reload
1079929;1427742727;ascii_field;it has civilized clickless display now.
1079930;1427742824;nubbins`;what the fuck is kim dot com's problem
1079931;1427743035;mike_c;goddamnit, i need a new printer.  any recommendations?  i want scan, print, and print pictures of my kid (nothing professional needed).
1079932;1427743036;trinque;nubbins`: what's your grip with him?
1079933;1427743039;trinque;*gripe
1079934;1427743076;mike_c;shopping for a printer feels like swimming through a swamp for some reason.
1079935;1427743077;nubbins`;nothing, i guess
1079936;1427743092;nubbins`;mike_c if you want an all-in-one, i can't help ya
1079937;1427743107;nubbins`;i can recommend a nice printer setup tho
1079938;1427743116;mike_c;yeah, i figured you'd be too high end.  you don't have any workaday favorites?
1079939;1427743137;mike_c;how bout brand in general?  HP/canon/etc?
1079940;1427743204;nubbins`;i'll never buy anything but epson
1079941;1427743227;nubbins`;in fairness, the epson 1430 is really nice, 13" wide-format, and it's probably only like $200-250usd right now.
1079942;1427743296;ascii_field;ugh ink
1079943;1427743356;mike_c;well they don't make home laser color printers i don't think
1079944;1427743358;nubbins`;ascii_field that's my next step
1079945;1427743364;nubbins`;mike_c http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Product.do?sku=C11CA45201
1079946;1427743368;assbot;Epson Artisan 50 Inkjet Printer - Product Information - Epson America, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEdyZ )
1079947;1427743371;ascii_field;mike_c: by the tonne
1079948;1427743371;nubbins`;with https://www.cobraink.com/CIS/CIS%20kits/Art50%20kit/CIS%20Kit%20Art50.htm
1079949;1427743372;assbot;.:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEfai )
1079950;1427743375;ascii_field;mike_c: for a few hundy
1079951;1427743383;ascii_field;(home colour laser)
1079952;1427743392;*;nubbins` pays $50usd for 32oz of printer ink
1079953;1427743408;ascii_field;does the ink still run when you sneeze on the page ?
1079954;1427743410;mike_c;oh yeah, look at that.
1079955;1427743413;nubbins`;ascii_field is right tho, color lasers are ubiquitous and cheap. you can get one for around the same price.
1079956;1427743423;nubbins`;ascii_field that's a function of the paper 8)
1079957;1427743435;mike_c;i know little to nothing about this.. is toner cheaper than ink?
1079958;1427743450;nubbins`;mike_c name-brand toner is cheaper than name-brand ink
1079959;1427743454;nubbins`;by orders of magnitude
1079960;1427743455;mike_c;ah
1079961;1427743464;nubbins`;off-brand ink is cheaper than off-brand toner
1079962;1427743466;nubbins`;by orders of magnitude
1079963;1427743486;ascii_field;nubbins`: function of the paper? if the ink is water-soluble, and it gets in - how will it not also get out, when wetted again ?
1079964;1427743489;ascii_field;am i missing something
1079965;1427743495;nubbins`;maybe i am :S
1079966;1427743514;mike_c;i have had mixed success with chinese knockoff ink cartridges, and have a suspicion they have led to the death of my current printer..
1079967;1427743536;*;nubbins` admittedly does little "photo printing", and is more concerned with laying down as much ink as possible
1079968;1427743562;nubbins`;but the CIS kit i have supplies a constant flow of very inexpensive, high quality ink
1079969;1427743580;nubbins`;for my 1430s: https://www.cobraink.com/CIS/CIS%20kits/1430%20kit/CIS%20Kit%201430.htm
1079970;1427743582;assbot;.:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEYIs )
1079971;1427743584;ascii_field;http://seeingyellow.com << obligatory if buying colour laser
1079972;1427743585;assbot;Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1abEYZ2 )
1079973;1427743592;nubbins`;well, that's the other thing.
1079974;1427743613;nubbins`;i'm also not convinced that home color laser beats inkjet for image quality
1079975;1427743624;nubbins`;text, you'd be a fool to use an inkjet
1079976;1427743635;nubbins`;images, well, stop sneezing 8)
1079977;1427743659;ascii_field;nubbins`: image quality - seems quite likely
1079978;1427743670;ascii_field;afaik colour laser was never well-regarded by artistic types
1079979;1427743691;nubbins`;!up ascii_field
1079980;1427743701;jurov;yes, color laser is poor for photos
1079981;1427743713;nubbins`;i actually took a loss on a job a while back because i priced it for color laser prints and they weren't up to snuff
1079982;1427743713;ascii_field;newspaper quality.
1079983;1427743724;nubbins`;not a loss on ink/toner costs, mind you, but a loss on time
1079984;1427743732;nubbins`;inkjet is sloooo-o-o-o-o-w
1079985;1427743777;nubbins`;incidentally, some of you may be interested to know, epson is the only home printer mfg that has printheads that can deliver variable amounts of ink
1079986;1427743781;ascii_field;i found a very, very fast tractor-feed (!) early '90s inkjet in a skip once, as a kid
1079987;1427743801;ascii_field;quality was about on par with ancient typewriter and then leave document in the sun for a decade or three
1079988;1427743813;ascii_field;iirc it was an epson.
1079989;1427743834;nubbins`;nice
1079990;1427743864;nubbins`;regular inkjet: heating element rapidly boils ink inside cart, steam bubble forces ink out through aperture
1079991;1427743890;nubbins`;epson inkjet: voltage applied to piezo element
1079992;1427743905;nubbins`;mechanical propulsion, voltage-controller
1079993;1427743917;ascii_field;i had this notion that all modern inkject machines use piezos
1079994;1427743923;nubbins`;nope.
1079995;1427743941;nubbins`;epson's the only one using it as a rule
1079996;1427743949;nubbins`;you'll rarely see others try it
1079997;1427743999;*;nubbins` owns third-party printer drivers that allow him to control -- among other things -- voltage to piezo
1079998;1427744021;nubbins`;also does postscript emulation which is nice for printing halftone dots from greyscale images.
1079999;1427744050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28285 @ 0.00026017 = 7.3589 BTC [-] {2} 
1080000;1427744083;nubbins`;approx. 1.5x the cost of the actual printer
1080001;1427744111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43523 @ 0.00025702 = 11.1863 BTC [-] {2} 
1080002;1427744285;mike_c;any thoughts on 5 color inkjet vs 3 color?
1080003;1427744299;nubbins`;the more, the better
1080004;1427744371;mike_c;thanks for advice!
1080005;1427744389;nubbins`;generally 5+1 (yellow, cyan, light cyan, magenta, light magenta, black) will give you truer light tones
1080006;1427744410;nubbins`;and you really, really should consider getting one of those CIS kits, it'll pay for itself in a year
1080007;1427744486;mike_c;I like the thought of that a lot.. and it may be practical given wireless (so i can put the whole thing in a closet somewhere).
1080008;1427744533;jurov;i've had epson stylus in early 00's and it was spawn of evil, with golden toilet refills
1080009;1427744590;jurov;and when i bought cheaper ink, found out the cassettes can really be refilled only once anyway
1080010;1427744599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00025638 = 16.8185 BTC [-] {2} 
1080011;1427744859;jurov;dunno if inkjets got better since
1080012;1427744973;mike_c;oh cool, cobra ink will sell you the printer with cis installed already
1080013;1427745103;mircea_popescu; afaik colour laser was never well-regarded by artistic types << not even on wood.
1080014;1427745293;nubbins`;mike_c it will, but it's worth comparing costs
1080015;1427745296;nubbins`;the install is trivial
1080016;1427745318;nubbins`;mircea_popescu that was monochrome lazer 8)
1080017;1427745334;mircea_popescu;:p
1080018;1427745343;mircea_popescu;monochrome is artisanal
1080019;1427745350;mircea_popescu;hence all the b&w amateur-art photos
1080020;1427745636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00025613 = 7.8632 BTC [-] {2} 
1080021;1427745648;bitstein;!up napedia
1080022;1427745941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100850 @ 0.000267 = 26.927 BTC [+] {3} 
1080023;1427745951;scoopbot;New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/curriculum-vitae/
1080024;1427746423;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ^
1080025;1427746725;ben_vulpes;hah
1080026;1427746967;thestringpuller;lol scoopbot only works for trilema
1080027;1427746971;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: is that SFW?
1080028;1427746988;mircea_popescu;no pics, it's just plaintext
1080029;1427747416;thestringpuller;i like how MG made the cut but not BitBet lol
1080030;1427747450;mircea_popescu;dude if i was going to put everything in i'd be there for a week.
1080031;1427747457;mircea_popescu;most of the good stuff didn't make it in.
1080032;1427747591;thestringpuller;Jan 2016 MP drops his first rap album.
1080033;1427747720;*;nubbins` has been pickling daikon radishes in rice vinegar for the past 3 months, will consume this evening
1080034;1427747798;mircea_popescu;ironically enough, the usms scammer thing which is how i even got started also doesn't seem to have made it in.
1080035;1427747800;mircea_popescu;awell.jpg
1080036;1427748015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00026886 = 3.9657 BTC [+]
1080037;1427748201;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/meyFGgn
1080038;1427748202;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvDWTS )
1080039;1427748265;mike_c;i give up.
1080040;1427748312;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1080041;1427748315;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/bundles/force << should link back to qntra
1080042;1427748315;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvEkBD )
1080043;1427748568;nubbins`;mike_c ?
1080044;1427748592;mike_c;it looks like some kind of odd orange.
1080045;1427748599;nubbins`;oh
1080046;1427748604;nubbins`;pickled daikon radish
1080047;1427748616;mike_c;ah, interesting.
1080048;1427748647;nubbins`;yellow from turmeric
1080049;1427748654;nubbins`;http://jakwave.co.uk/recipe-%EB%8B%A8%EB%AC%B4%EC%A7%80-danmuji-korean-sweet-pickled-radish/
1080050;1427748655;assbot;Recipe - 단무지 [Danmuji] Korean Sweet Pickled Radish | JaK Wave ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvFwFk )
1080051;1427748991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00026886 = 8.6976 BTC [+]
1080052;1427749967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00026675 = 10.1632 BTC [-]
1080053;1427750049;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/subpoena-requests-data-on-rdarknetmarkets-users/
1080054;1427750638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21066 @ 0.00026675 = 5.6194 BTC [-]
1080055;1427751000;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1080056;1427751030;ascii_field;http://www.wired.com/2015/03/us-used-zero-day-exploits-policies << usg shills struggling to drown discussion with idiot garbage like this
1080057;1427751031;assbot;US Used Zero-Day Exploits Before It Had Policies for Them | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cqt5r9 )
1080058;1427752063;ascii_field;'In summary, for the nearly two year period before FORCE worked the Silk Road case, FORCE deposited a total of approximately $250,000 into his bank accounts, an amount consistent with his federal salary.  In contrast to that, the bank records show that in the just over two-year timeframe from FORCE's joining the Silk Road case to his May 2014 resignation, FORCE deposited approximately $776,000 into his bank accounts, an
1080059;1427752063;ascii_field;amount that represented solely his liquidation of bitcoins.'
1080060;1427752223;ascii_field;one of the few things usg is demonstrably good at is sniffing out unexpectedly fattened cattle to butcher.
1080061;1427752377;ascii_field;fact is, if this ever goes to trial (unlikely) - the moron will be asked 'where did you get it'
1080062;1427752404;ascii_field;and will stammer and blither in front of the jury, or cough up some outlandish 'martian' alibi
1080063;1427752598;punkman;heh "FORCE functioned as the de facto Chief Compliance Officer for CoinMKT  all the while employed as a DEA agent, even allowing himself to be  featured in CoinMKT's "pitch decks" to venture capital investors and  allowing himself to be listed as CoinMKT's anti-money laundering and/or  compliance officer"
1080064;1427752694;nubbins`;^ i died
1080065;1427752803;punkman;also "FORCE used his official position as a DEA agent to illegally run  criminal history checks on individuals for the benefit of a third-party  digital currency exchange company, CoinMKT, in which FORCE had  personally invested approximately $110,000 worth of bitcoin."
1080066;1427752845;punkman;!up ascii_field
1080067;1427752867;punkman;I thought assbot didn't have state
1080068;1427752895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00026688 = 7.5527 BTC [+] {3} 
1080069;1427753309;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg10933746#msg10933746
1080070;1427753310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BYs5Hc )
1080071;1427753319;nubbins`;havelel is manually processing withdrawals
1080072;1427753871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23524 @ 0.00025738 = 6.0546 BTC [-]
1080073;1427754447;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1080074;1427754461;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/blockchain-hits-milestone-23rds-of-all-bitcoins-mined/
1080075;1427754664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00026774 = 4.6051 BTC [+]
1080076;1427754871;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/bundles/force << should link back to qntra < havelel is manually processing withdrawals << FIRST EVER!
1080100;1427759915;mircea_popescu;THOUGHT LEADERS ! INDUSTRI BEST LARGEST
1080101;1427760346;asciilifeform;l0ldustry
1080102;1427760764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166372 @ 0.00026565 = 44.1967 BTC [-] {2} 
1080103;1427760844;*;asciilifeform wonders where everybody went... reading the sr mega-turd? hacking on pogotron? beating off rabid weasels ?
1080104;1427760859;nubbins`;^ 2nd
1080105;1427760876;nubbins`;where are the nand read/write utils located in new turdel?
1080106;1427760883;asciilifeform;in the path
1080107;1427760902;asciilifeform;# which nandwrite
1080108;1427760902;asciilifeform;/usr/sbin/nandwrite
1080109;1427760908;asciilifeform;nanddump is also there
1080110;1427760911;nubbins`;a-ha, found em.
1080111;1427760925;nubbins`;okay, so that confirms it
1080112;1427760934;asciilifeform;confirms what
1080113;1427760945;*;nubbins` has baked his own v2 pogotron from source
1080114;1427760951;asciilifeform;congrats nubbins` !!
1080115;1427760955;nubbins`;tyvm! :D
1080116;1427760971;nubbins`;gonna sha512 my tarballs now & post to ml
1080117;1427761056;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, nubbins`, danielpbarron et al: is there any interest in the pheature i discussed in october (?) where one pogo would deflower another, virginal unit ?
1080118;1427761061;asciilifeform;through crossover cable
1080119;1427761073;asciilifeform;(i do not presently know if the nic on pogo has auto-crossover)
1080120;1427761080;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1080121;1427761119;asciilifeform;this would involve, at the minimum, the 'male' starting up a dhcp server prior to the 'female' being powered up
1080122;1427761130;asciilifeform;this process would have to be triggered in some way.
1080123;1427761134;asciilifeform;that's the part i got stuck on
1080124;1427761139;asciilifeform;what's the trigger ?
1080125;1427761219;asciilifeform;alternatively:
1080126;1427761249;asciilifeform;'male' pogo sitting on normal lan with one of more 'females' could be manually triggered to spoodge, using the telnet shell and a util that takes argument of female's ip
1080127;1427761298;thestringpuller;i come back to computers having sex?!?
1080128;1427761301;danielpbarron;;;isitdown wiki.bitcoin-assets.com
1080129;1427761308;gribble;wiki.bitcoin-assets.com is down
1080130;1427761320;danielpbarron;;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com
1080131;1427761324;asciilifeform;(what would be involved: it triggers the backdoor - see log - then transfers over nandwrite; then payload; then fires)
1080132;1427761324;gribble;log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
1080133;1427761332;asciilifeform;^ works here
1080134;1427761338;danielpbarron;the search is also not up-to-date
1080135;1427761361;mircea_popescu;you can use log1 ad interim
1080136;1427761364;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ^
1080137;1427761380;danielpbarron;actually ya, log. loads eventually; wiki doesn't though
1080138;1427761386;mircea_popescu;(fwiw, i see log. but intermittently0
1080139;1427761653;danielpbarron;search won't find results past this line -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079336
1080140;1427761653;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 05:43:56; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i might get to it tomorrow night
1080141;1427761862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96650 @ 0.00025994 = 25.1232 BTC [-]
1080142;1427761871;nubbins`;the upside of this is that you could turdify a whole stack of pogos at once
1080143;1427762332;nubbins`;<+asciilifeform> what's the trigger ? <<< hold reset while powering up unit to boot it in "erect" mode?
1080144;1427762513;jurov;what, the pogo won't have any management interface beyond that button?
1080145;1427762548;jurov;shat if i want to check how many connections/ block height it has?
1080146;1427762594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58650 @ 0.00026007 = 15.2531 BTC [+] {2} 
1080147;1427762742;nubbins`;morse code in lights
1080148;1427762803;nubbins`;mp will say that if you wanna check how many connections, throw it out and buy a new one
1080149;1427762808;nubbins`;what do you want, it's $19 :D
1080150;1427762819;trinque;heh, there are printers with embedded menu systems kinda like that
1080151;1427762819;trinque;but they at least have a place for output
1080152;1427762953;mircea_popescu;omg the haters
1080153;1427763207;mod6;haters_everywhere.jpg
1080154;1427763289;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079598 << but force 66 1/3 is so much lulzier
1080155;1427763289;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 16:42:29; mike_c: BingoBoingo: see NYT article, they (correctly) just call him mr. force.
1080156;1427763355;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079604 << well, they could imaginarily take it. there's no limits to imagination!
1080157;1427763355;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 16:45:05; mike_c: because if it was actually "sizable".. and they didn't get it back..
1080158;1427763388;jurov;don't forget it's not $19 for me. at least 31 euro
1080159;1427763402;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079610 << isn't this also the dude with the weirdo positions re gavincoins ?
1080160;1427763402;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 16:46:05; assbot: Bitcoin's Rugged Individualism | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErlcWa )
1080161;1427763422;mircea_popescu;that he then accidentally forgot to either softlaunch here or defend afterwards ?
1080162;1427763452;mircea_popescu;jurov stands to reason that if one wants to run a devel pogo they'd run the devel pogo rather than the cement pogo ? or am i missing something ?
1080163;1427763474;jurov;"how do i check it's working" "nah, shut up"
1080164;1427763525;BingoBoingo; that he then accidentally forgot to either softlaunch here or defend afterwards ? << Yes
1080165;1427763562;jurov;^^ applies to cement pogo, too
1080166;1427763568;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski it's not clear to me facebook is a "technology". if every tripod/myspace clone with an advertising budget were a technology then you should probably avoid tap water.
1080167;1427763569;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1080168;1427763574;asciilifeform;jurov: pogo won't have any management interface beyond that button? << that button (ought to) spawn a telnetd with root shell. what more management could one want ??!
1080169;1427763582;mircea_popescu;jurov you could connect to it.
1080170;1427763587;mircea_popescu;as a node i mean.
1080171;1427763598;jurov;ah i missed that.
1080172;1427763669;jurov;that solves the triggering of male pogo
1080173;1427763671;asciilifeform;(for anyone who slept through pogotron/pogotron-v2, the current version spawns telnetd by default on every boot)
1080174;1427763702;nubbins`;<+jurov> don't forget it's not $19 for me. at least 31 euro << $35cad for me!
1080175;1427763723;asciilifeform;... and will approach $maxint as they run out.
1080176;1427763745;nubbins`;wholesale guy said he might increase from $20 to $30 soon because of recent interest, in the meantime
1080177;1427763753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33176 @ 0.00025738 = 8.5388 BTC [-]
1080178;1427763760;nubbins`;so if anyone feels like getting some more, maybe we should pool our resources and get a buttload at once
1080179;1427763770;nubbins`;bbl die siedler von catan!
1080180;1427763814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109003 @ 0.00025623 = 27.9298 BTC [-] {2} 
1080181;1427763875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113454 @ 0.00025819 = 29.2927 BTC [+] {2} 
1080182;1427763980;asciilifeform;if somebody wants to get a rail car full of'em, the time to do so is probably now
1080183;1427763995;asciilifeform;and not after another month or three of 'recent interest'
1080184;1427764058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5754 @ 0.00026052 = 1.499 BTC [+]
1080185;1427764077;asciilifeform;esp. since we are not the only ones who can use 'buildroot' etc.
1080186;1427764085;asciilifeform;it is all posted publicly after all.
1080187;1427764117;thestringpuller;a railcar sounds expensive
1080188;1427764160;asciilifeform;costs probably less than first class air to istanbul on one outing of mircea_popescu and his pets
1080189;1427764234;thestringpuller;that's like 3 years living expenses for me...
1080190;1427764363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00025881 = 13.7169 BTC [-]
1080191;1427764774;asciilifeform;the inevitable 'price of open source' is that we made pogo suddenly considerably more appetizing for just about everybody.
1080192;1427764791;asciilifeform;even folks who just want a nas without proprietary turdware
1080193;1427764869;thestringpuller;nas makes me think of the rapper
1080194;1427764912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80487 @ 0.00025707 = 20.6908 BTC [-] {2} 
1080195;1427764973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109213 @ 0.00025477 = 27.8242 BTC [-] {3} 
1080196;1427764987;decimation;asciilifeform: you could probably run nfs
1080197;1427764991;decimation;maybe even with kerberos
1080198;1427764999;thestringpuller;ick kerberos...
1080199;1427765018;decimation;it's really annoying to configure
1080200;1427765031;thestringpuller;and even more painful to configure "right"
1080201;1427765042;thestringpuller;it blows up all the time from my experience.
1080202;1427765063;decimation;one of the problems is that 99% of the installations use winblows for the key server
1080203;1427765313;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think that's so bad, really. let that everybody hack on them
1080204;1427765379;decimation;re: discussion about ntp < I thought the conclusion of that thread is that the timestamp of the latest incoming bitcoin transation ought to determine the clock time
1080205;1427765390;decimation;or something like that
1080206;1427765459;mircea_popescu;right
1080207;1427765472;mircea_popescu;;;seen brendafdez
1080208;1427765472;gribble;brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 26 seconds ago:  mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
1080209;1427765584;mircea_popescu;!rate brendafdez Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive. Will stick around for as long as the former appears to mask the latter.
1080210;1427765584;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
1080211;1427765588;mircea_popescu;!rate brendafdez -1 Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive. Will stick around for as long as the former appears to mask the latter.
1080212;1427765588;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0b91a325c61ae482
1080213;1427765608;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.brendafdez.-1:99c85240d655d8874bfc63e85c4d96eab4222b144bd7b518ea6a0ffbd3a9fac7
1080214;1427765608;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for brendafdez from 1 to -1 with note: Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive. Will stick around for as long as the former appears to mask the latter.
1080215;1427765766;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079687 << why exactly would the guy "hafta pay fines" anyway ?
1080216;1427765766;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 17:26:44; fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/9sxBf51.png
1080217;1427765885;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079748 << very different people, very different us.
1080218;1427765885;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 17:36:51; ascii_field: as it was for certain mafia dons
1080219;1427765895;mircea_popescu;at the time, the united states was like, a world leader.
1080220;1427765899;mod6;;;later tell funkenstein I don't think you're in assbot's WoT, see about regestering with assbot. http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1080221;1427765902;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1080222;1427765932;danielpbarron;he is with an underscore
1080223;1427765956;mircea_popescu;!gettrust  funkenstein_
1080224;1427765956;assbot; is not registered in WoT.
1080225;1427765962;mircea_popescu;that didn't help.
1080226;1427765978;danielpbarron;the woodcoin guy right?
1080227;1427765985;mircea_popescu;log yeah
1080228;1427766003;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079771 << cops helped me break into my own house once.
1080229;1427766003;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 17:41:02; nubbins`: did i mention that i saw a cop help someone break into a house earlier?
1080230;1427766027;mircea_popescu;three hours with the fucking ram because apparently no fucking blacksmith existed anymore.
1080231;1427766057;danielpbarron;!gettrust funkenstein_
1080232;1427766059;assbot;Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/funkenstein_ | http://w.b-a.link/user/funkenstein_
1080233;1427766081;*;danielpbarron slaps assbot around a bit with a large extra space
1080234;1427766099;mircea_popescu;hory hseit
1080235;1427766116;mircea_popescu;!gettrust   mircea_popescu
1080236;1427766116;assbot; and  are not registered in WoT.
1080237;1427766131;mircea_popescu;!gettrust      mircea_popescu
1080238;1427766131;assbot; and  are not registered in WoT.
1080239;1427766141;mircea_popescu;!gettrust derp herp and mircea_popescu
1080240;1427766141;assbot;derp and herp are not registered in WoT.
1080241;1427766146;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1080242;1427766154;mircea_popescu;!gettrust derp herp mircea_popescu and yourmom
1080243;1427766154;assbot;derp and herp are not registered in WoT.
1080244;1427766827;mats; http://jolmos.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/tls-v12-sigalgs-remote-crash-cve-2015.html
1080245;1427766829;assbot;software security blog: TLS v1.2 sigalgs remote crash  (CVE-2015-0291) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYXCRw )
1080246;1427766998;mod6;!gettrust 6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6
1080247;1427766998;assbot;6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6 is not registered in WoT.
1080248;1427767020;mod6;!gettrust funkenstein_
1080249;1427767021;assbot;Trust relationship from user mod6 to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mod6/funkenstein_ | http://w.b-a.link/user/funkenstein_
1080250;1427767169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181161 @ 0.00025414 = 46.0403 BTC [-] {2} 
1080251;1427767230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16710 @ 0.00025362 = 4.238 BTC [-]
1080252;1427767536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140400 @ 0.00025361 = 35.6068 BTC [-] {2} 
1080253;1427767578;mod6;thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000078.html
1080254;1427768382;asciilifeform; three hours with the fucking ram because apparently no fucking blacksmith existed anymore. << l0l, mircea_popescu got a free penetration test from enemy
1080255;1427768488;danielpbarron;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot
1080256;1427768508;mircea_popescu;this was long ago
1080257;1427768549;asciilifeform;timestamp of the latest incoming bitcoin transation ought to determine the clock time << this promises to be very gnarly and even non-monotonic unless we're very careful
1080258;1427768559;mircea_popescu;not tx
1080259;1427768566;mircea_popescu;block. blocks are the timekeeping device
1080260;1427768613;asciilifeform; ... brendafdez -1 Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive << wai wat, was this in-channel? iirc this person simply vanished into thin air without so much as a squeak
1080261;1427768638;mircea_popescu;just my impression.
1080262;1427768695;asciilifeform;in other news, i had a most peculiar '1024 chickens'-flavoured thought -
1080263;1427768715;asciilifeform;small multicopters could be built which tesselate.
1080264;1427768726;asciilifeform;lifting whatever size load as one wishes, like balloons
1080265;1427768747;mircea_popescu;http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60811418.jpg
1080266;1427768749;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX2Mr5 )
1080267;1427768765;asciilifeform;this is simpler than it sounds because they are traditionally built in such a way that operator sets desired angle and motors 'bang-bang' with pde dampening until it is achieved
1080268;1427768776;BingoBoingo; just my impression. << Seems right for an unexplained workweek long disappearance without warning, right after getting things to do
1080269;1427768799;asciilifeform;the choppers will snap together like children's 'lego' and share control and power bus
1080270;1427768804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's also much harder than it sounds, because of all sorts of scale effwects
1080271;1427768827;asciilifeform;one could also, presumably, have 'tiles' which only carry battery (or only thrusters) depending on whether endurance is at a premium
1080272;1427768830;mircea_popescu;meanwhile a 20mw powerplant is 1-200k or some shit.
1080273;1427768847;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's the thing, they have excellent behaviour when perturbed
1080274;1427768866;asciilifeform;i recall kicking diametric's chopper in mid-air and it only wobbled a bit.
1080275;1427768894;decimation;asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4
1080276;1427768895;assbot;A Swarm of Nano Quadrotors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX33dG )
1080277;1427768905;asciilifeform;swarms are old news
1080278;1427768912;asciilifeform;and yes, we all saw that one
1080279;1427768932;decimation;ah I see you want them to physically connect together
1080280;1427768935;asciilifeform;aha
1080281;1427768942;asciilifeform;share power and control bus
1080282;1427768951;asciilifeform;buy as many as needed to carry load.
1080283;1427768959;asciilifeform;like balloons.
1080284;1427768979;decimation;how many to make https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-64_Skycrane
1080285;1427768981;assbot;Sikorsky S-64 Skycrane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX3eFI )
1080286;1427768986;asciilifeform;also gives a degree of redundancy
1080287;1427769004;asciilifeform;go shoot a machine with 8192 airscrews of which only 512 are needed
1080288;1427769005;asciilifeform;or the like.
1080289;1427769013;asciilifeform;(each 3 having own battery!)
1080290;1427769015;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a simple exercise : given each element applies a force F on a random vector, calculate the shear force - probability function for a string of 100 such.
1080291;1427769030;decimation;I wonder if there is some kind of diminishing returns with having so many rotors in the same area
1080292;1427769041;asciilifeform;decimation: not if far enough apart
1080293;1427769046;decimation;yeah
1080294;1427769048;asciilifeform;how far - is for the folks who actually want to try this
1080295;1427769054;asciilifeform;in life.
1080296;1427769068;decimation;they would need some kind of rods to form a web
1080297;1427769086;mircea_popescu;the sykorsky is ~7mw
1080298;1427769094;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only 'random' to the extent calculations are off (plus wind, vibration)
1080299;1427769117;mircea_popescu;right. just as a mechanical engineering problem.
1080300;1427769124;mircea_popescu;soon enough you gotta make your bots out of titanium.
1080301;1427769137;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: except that the error does not compound.
1080302;1427769144;asciilifeform;any given point in the 'fabric' is equivalent.
1080303;1427769157;asciilifeform;other than the graph edges.
1080304;1427769173;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts.
1080305;1427769185;mircea_popescu;seems exactly the sort of thing to get freak compounding nonsense in.
1080306;1427769187;asciilifeform;draw, see.
1080307;1427769213;asciilifeform;i'd build it in such a way as to let it jettison dead tiles, too
1080308;1427769217;asciilifeform;why let them drag machine down.
1080309;1427769250;asciilifeform;(in peacetime this may be a bad idea, they will fall on someone's head)
1080310;1427769342;asciilifeform;anyway, i'm not certain what the point of this is, in practice, but having failed to find any traces of it existing, thought it fit to post here.
1080311;1427769380;mircea_popescu;the problem is tho : the electric machines suck specifically for being electric. this isn't fixed by assembling more of them.
1080312;1427769393;mircea_popescu;the golden standard (carnot cycle) is too big generally, rather than too small.
1080313;1427769424;decimation;re: carnot < one of the mistakes louis xvi made was not recognizing and promoting him
1080314;1427769432;decimation;'welfare for nobles' displaced competence
1080315;1427769485;decimation;except the Carnot cycle guy was his son, I was mistaken
1080316;1427769487;mircea_popescu;decimation he was born either just before or jsut after revolution
1080317;1427769496;mircea_popescu;nothing much left of the king by the time he was 16.
1080318;1427769527;decimation;carnot the father was born 1756
1080319;1427769537;decimation;err 1753
1080320;1427769573;mircea_popescu;you mean lazare ?!
1080321;1427769581;decimation;yeah
1080322;1427769668;mircea_popescu;what was to recognise/promote ? guy was iirc a military officer with interests in mechanics.
1080323;1427769722;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/#comment-16087
1080324;1427769723;assbot;Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX4Nnj )
1080325;1427769723;decimation;well according to the history to which I have been listening, he was fustrated by his inability to advance beyond a junior officer
1080326;1427769771;mircea_popescu;mebbe he was, i have nfi
1080327;1427769798;decimation;and part of the reason why he couldn't advance was because the ministry's reforms of the army tended to favor derpy nobles over young talent
1080328;1427769799;BingoBoingo;Comment delivered unto us http://qntra.net/bundles/forceunlawfulseizure.txt
1080329;1427769800;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX51L6 )
1080330;1427769853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111239 @ 0.0002535 = 28.1991 BTC [-] {3} 
1080331;1427769965;decimation;re: Freiherr Hammerstein-Equord's quote < Yes, USG specializes in promoting the stupid and industrious
1080332;1427770028;mircea_popescu;quite.
1080333;1427770060;decimation;http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/10/28/241295755/a-churchill-quote-that-u-s-politicians-will-never-surrender < highly related
1080334;1427770062;assbot;A Churchill 'Quote' That U.S. Politicians Will Never Surrender : It's All Politics : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX5CMF )
1080335;1427770071;decimation;"As King put it: "Winston Churchill once famously observed that Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else.""
1080336;1427770181;mircea_popescu;the space of everything else's sadly incomputable.
1080337;1427770214;decimation;yeah, that quote seems dubious
1080338;1427770265;decimation;Freiherr Hammerstein-Equord's 'method' (if true) built one of the greatest professional land armies the world has every seen
1080339;1427770322;decimation;but ultimately fell to USSR & USA's Levée en masse
1080340;1427770336;asciilifeform;i will now take the liberty of calling the hypothetical machine 'freyacopter'
1080341;1427770344;asciilifeform;(is there anyone who doesn't understand why ?)
1080342;1427770361;asciilifeform;and no, it doesn't make storage battery suck less
1080343;1427770390;asciilifeform;but i came up with it for a reason. sat the other day for a long time thinking of mircea_popescu's observation that 'industrial product is crud' and the only place where industry wins is - scale
1080344;1427770440;asciilifeform;50,000 birthday balloons are cheaper than airplane. but not very much use to fly. on the other hand, if a freyacopter tile lifts, e.g., 500g...
1080345;1427770472;asciilifeform;50 of'em will lift a boy
1080346;1427770480;asciilifeform;100 - a man
1080347;1427770496;asciilifeform;(thin man)
1080348;1427770518;asciilifeform;and scale, scale. (of production, that is)
1080349;1427770563;mircea_popescu;how much do you pay per bithday balloon ?
1080350;1427770577;decimation;asciilifeform: after Gerhard Frey?
1080351;1427770597;asciilifeform;nein
1080352;1427770601;asciilifeform;freya, with her housecat chariot.
1080353;1427770621;*;asciilifeform thought it was obvious
1080354;1427770651;mircea_popescu;some very simple math : cheapo chinese copter toy = $100. cessna, $100k. cessna powerplant = 100kW. chinese copter toy = 10W
1080355;1427770656;mircea_popescu;you're short a degree of magnitude.
1080356;1427770666;*;decimation 's schooling failed to include Norse myth
1080357;1427770669;asciilifeform;'cessna' lifts a good bit of own weight
1080358;1427770674;asciilifeform;compared to pilot
1080359;1427770678;mircea_popescu;so will your toys.
1080360;1427770697;decimation;two 180 lb men + full feul for a cessna 152
1080361;1427770701;decimation;fuel
1080362;1427770706;BingoBoingo;scoopbot -fetch
1080363;1427770719;asciilifeform;at any rate, everyone is missing the point
1080364;1427770724;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/march-bitcoin-foundation-update/
1080365;1427770727;asciilifeform;cessna is piss-poor for economy of scale
1080366;1427770730;mircea_popescu;the degree of magnitude should be the other way.
1080367;1427770734;asciilifeform;because it doesn't break into 10,000 identical pieces
1080368;1427770740;asciilifeform;each of which is a toy
1080369;1427770748;decimation;asciilifeform: except cessna is more efficient at moving horizontally for distance
1080370;1427770749;asciilifeform;-identical-
1080371;1427770753;asciilifeform;more efficient, yes
1080372;1427770755;asciilifeform;vastly
1080373;1427770789;asciilifeform;but so long as freyacopter could possibly work (and there is no reason why the machines currently existing, with about 1:1 useful lift to own weight ratio and around 1/2hr of endurance on standard battery)
1080374;1427770800;asciilifeform;it is a more efficient -product of industry-
1080375;1427770801;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit
1080376;1427770807;mircea_popescu;half hour flight ?
1080377;1427770814;mircea_popescu;so basically this can be used for a bus ride ?
1080378;1427770821;asciilifeform;on standard cell. if some of the load is added cells - longer ride.
1080379;1427770830;decimation;^ could build liquid fuel version
1080380;1427770839;mircea_popescu;so if all the load is cells, long busride ?
1080381;1427770842;asciilifeform;have tiles which are batteries only. or even small generators
1080382;1427770846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha
1080383;1427770860;mircea_popescu;decimation yes but there's a reason they have bipropellers and quad propellers, rather than thousandprops
1080384;1427770864;asciilifeform;choppers aren't meant to cross continents, at any rate
1080385;1427770868;asciilifeform;they are always 'bus'
1080386;1427770879;mircea_popescu;if you look at the relative size of a plane when it moves from two to four it's abundantly clear what the sweetspot is like
1080387;1427770884;decimation;or 'skyhook'
1080388;1427770892;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in as far as i am able to ascertain the reason, it appears to be because no one has suggested tiles.
1080389;1427770898;mircea_popescu;o.O
1080390;1427770917;asciilifeform;immensely difficult -except- in this precise way.
1080391;1427770943;decimation;actually one could imagine some copters joining the swarm with horizontal attachment
1080392;1427770947;mircea_popescu;look, a combustion engine works from about half liter to about five. that's what it does.
1080393;1427770963;mircea_popescu;making a 2 cc combustion engine is more expensive than 1/50 of making a 1000 cc one.
1080394;1427770985;mircea_popescu;and even this 2 cc combustion engine will beat the shit out of your electrical 10 watt engine
1080395;1427771000;decimation;^not the engine but the power source
1080396;1427771008;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: performance - will beat the shit.
1080397;1427771009;asciilifeform;cost - no.
1080398;1427771016;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1080399;1427771022;asciilifeform;how many gasoline-powered toys at your local toy store?
1080400;1427771024;asciilifeform;why?
1080401;1427771034;mircea_popescu;or maybe the only reason you think so atm is because you're looking at the dynamic equilibrium of proces as if it were static
1080402;1427771042;decimation;some folks use gas r/c aircraft and cars
1080403;1427771043;asciilifeform;in practice, less metal - less cost.
1080404;1427771050;mircea_popescu;what if the only reason electric seems cheap now is that we don't use it.
1080405;1427771069;mircea_popescu;decimation tiny turboprop or jet works better than tiny engine yea
1080406;1427771073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77245 @ 0.00025597 = 19.7724 BTC [+]
1080407;1427771077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this depends on whether there is reserve capacity
1080408;1427771082;asciilifeform;(to produce the item)
1080409;1427771089;mircea_popescu;but then we're back to rockets, and sure, "tile of rockets", consider the mechanical problem that got brushed asiude above
1080410;1427771103;asciilifeform;rockets don't have millisecond-adjustable thrust!
1080411;1427771113;asciilifeform;at least, not solid-fueled
1080412;1427771119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform peak oil vs peak copper. except peak oil allows an infinity of capacity to be deployed as long as the sum consumption is under X
1080413;1427771119;asciilifeform;toy propellers - do.
1080414;1427771128;mircea_popescu;whereas peak copper allows only this much capacity ever being deployed.
1080415;1427771132;decimation;yeah but both piston & turboprops/jets need golden toilet metallurgy and production
1080416;1427771136;mircea_popescu;different dynamica, diff price curves.
1080417;1427771168;decimation;^ toy jets don't have millisecond adjustable thrust either
1080418;1427771183;asciilifeform;what will happen to the parts when 'peak x' is reached for every element in mendeleev table is an interesting question, but unlikely to get there purely by virtue of making toy choppers.
1080419;1427771189;asciilifeform;we'll get there, or not, regardless.
1080420;1427771191;mircea_popescu;people who casually do not realise the importance of peak copper in limiting human history are invited to read up on ww2 economic history
1080421;1427771198;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, greek classical period.
1080422;1427771213;asciilifeform;peak copper is already here. except that massive drop in demand on account of fiber.
1080423;1427771221;mircea_popescu;there's a reason the first coin in the world was a bar of copper.
1080424;1427771223;asciilifeform;and fucktons of cable waiting to be melted.
1080425;1427771231;mircea_popescu;it's still a finite supply.
1080426;1427771235;asciilifeform;naturally.
1080427;1427771237;mircea_popescu;and i suspect not enough to move economy to your model.
1080428;1427771249;mircea_popescu;ie : this toy will stay a toy.
1080429;1427771259;asciilifeform;damnit, it wasn't to fly every man woman child dog cat around for the next eternity.
1080430;1427771263;asciilifeform;it was a wunderwaffen.
1080431;1427771265;mircea_popescu;you said
1080432;1427771275;asciilifeform;i don't do eternities.
1080433;1427771288;asciilifeform;i do the next few years i'm likely to remain alive.
1080434;1427771292;decimation;^ women children dog cat fly in aluminium tubes with rare metal spinning disks
1080435;1427771303;mircea_popescu;if that's what it is, you're buying a cessna.
1080436;1427771323;*;asciilifeform can't afford even the back half of a cessna
1080437;1427771331;*;asciilifeform but probably could afford 10,000 1kg lifters.
1080438;1427771381;*;asciilifeform fortunately doesn't need to fly around the neighbourhood very much, so gedankenexperiment can stay one
1080439;1427771427;decimation;there are actually many uses for a cheap 'skyhook'
1080440;1427771437;asciilifeform;i also must say that the idea appeals to me not only because of cost
1080441;1427771449;asciilifeform;but because of the implicit transformation from 'item' to 'fabric'
1080442;1427771460;asciilifeform;solving, potentially, a problem unsolved since daedalus's wings
1080443;1427771468;asciilifeform;that is, single points of failure in flying machine.
1080444;1427771501;asciilifeform;so long as you have sufficient spare tiles - you stay aloft.
1080445;1427771503;mircea_popescu;i suspect this is not akin the myth that 1900s ocean liners had solved a problem since idem.
1080446;1427771512;asciilifeform;liner - had central point.
1080447;1427771522;asciilifeform;the whole story of 'titanic' is about this.
1080448;1427771523;decimation;more like 1024 nuclear-powered lifeboats
1080449;1427771531;asciilifeform;^
1080450;1427771568;asciilifeform;but sure, if you get hit by big enough object (rocket, mountain, hell - the ground) - splat
1080451;1427771569;mircea_popescu;yea, until your tile splits in the middle and the halves slam into each other.
1080452;1427771575;asciilifeform;but only because it takes out all of you at same time.
1080453;1427771610;asciilifeform;or hey, pilot could split in the middle.
1080454;1427771611;decimation;asciilifeform: actually as long as the swarm was operating within a short range of ground, there's no reason why it might not connect to a power 'tether'
1080455;1427771622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56315 @ 0.00025279 = 14.2359 BTC [-]
1080456;1427771624;asciilifeform;decimation: tethers in flight are ick
1080457;1427771629;asciilifeform;got power lines in your street ?
1080458;1427771631;asciilifeform;we do
1080459;1427771641;decimation;heh yeah maryland has shit infrastructure
1080460;1427771655;asciilifeform;zimbabweryland
1080461;1427771702;decimation;wash dc power 'customers' can be reliably expected to 1.) whine about a single tree branch trimmed by the power company and 2.) whine when the tree knocks out the power
1080462;1427771780;asciilifeform;my fiber goes through several trees. it is only a matter of time until 'day x.'
1080463;1427771785;asciilifeform;i live with this.
1080464;1427771806;BingoBoingo;Check out Carl Force's 31337 web design skillz http://carl-41044.logogarden.com/
1080465;1427771807;assbot;Engedi LLC Baltimore Maryland ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX9GfU )
1080466;1427771821;asciilifeform;(live how? fallback isp. sorta like what mircea_popescu does)
1080467;1427771837;decimation;asciilifeform: your cell device?
1080468;1427771852;decimation;surely you don't pay both comast AND verizon
1080469;1427771861;decimation;the thought causes bile to rise
1080470;1427771863;asciilifeform;decimation: nah yet another cell
1080471;1427771873;asciilifeform;stationary modem that isn't used normally
1080472;1427771887;decimation;I wonder if telephone modems are still a thing
1080473;1427771901;asciilifeform;decimation: specifically -not- where verizon fiber went
1080474;1427771904;asciilifeform;they tore out the copper.
1080475;1427771908;asciilifeform;illegally.
1080476;1427771911;decimation;aye
1080477;1427771920;decimation;the fcc arrested them I'm sure
1080478;1427771928;asciilifeform;i have a thick hanging severed limb of it here.
1080479;1427771933;asciilifeform;goes nowhere.
1080480;1427771954;asciilifeform;last i heard (years ago) there was a court order compelling them to stop chopping
1080481;1427771957;asciilifeform;but not to rebuild
1080482;1427772016;decimation;well, the whole thing backfired now that the replacement service was going to be classified title II
1080483;1427772065;asciilifeform;decimation: if it does, they probably will be permitted to tear out and melt down the copper
1080484;1427772069;asciilifeform;winning massively
1080485;1427772070;mircea_popescu;so stupid that shit anyway. through and through.
1080486;1427772079;mircea_popescu;aerial cables, bad idea. trees and cable, horrible idea. etc.
1080487;1427772085;decimation;^stupid and industrious
1080488;1427772086;asciilifeform;decimation: right now it's in a kind of limbo
1080489;1427772088;mircea_popescu;who the fuck heard of not cutting tree branches ?
1080490;1427772096;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they cut'em
1080491;1427772101;decimation;the aerial cables are a result of 1950's era build-out
1080492;1427772105;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's all for me. tomoror!
1080493;1427772113;decimation;noone gave a fuck, and land was cheap
1080494;1427772124;asciilifeform;aerial - 10x cheaper than buried.
1080495;1427772127;decimation;now land is dear, and no one wants to pay to bury the lines
1080496;1427772144;asciilifeform;(short-term, that is. which is the only model of concern to these people)
1080497;1427772168;decimation;http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/montgomery-county-puts-aside-tree-trimming-complaints-against-pepco/article/2501311
1080498;1427772170;assbot;Montgomery County puts aside tree trimming complaints against Pepco | WashingtonExaminer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xR8Gx2 )
1080499;1427772179;decimation;"Montgomery County Council President Roger Berliner introduced the tree-protection measure in April, following widespread complaints from residents about the power company's aggressive trimming of trees around its power lines."
1080500;1427772233;decimation;^ a pretty good sample of the way people think in maryland
1080501;1427772531;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pepco-angers-montgomery-county-neighborhood-residents-by-pruning-beloved-cherry-trees/2012/07/18/gJQAqPqMvW_story.html < "As the men in hard hats hacked away, Julie Marcis and her husband confronted the crew, pleading with them to stop ruining the trees.“You feel like your insides are crumbling when you look at what they did,†Marcis said. “You have no control, you can’t do anything, short
1080502;1427772533;assbot;Pepco angers Montgomery County residents by pruning beloved cherry trees - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1xR9Qss )
1080503;1427772533;decimation;of throwing yourself in front of one of their trucks to stop them, which I considered.â€" < lol
1080504;1427772557;asciilifeform;!s cixi
1080505;1427772557;assbot;4 results for 'cixi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cixi
1080506;1427772560;asciilifeform;^
1080507;1427772573;asciilifeform;the infamous queen, who despised steam engine for 'too loud'
1080508;1427772582;decimation;heh yeah sounds about right
1080509;1427772591;decimation;except wash dc has a million cixis
1080510;1427772649;asciilifeform;decimation: at any rate, precisely these folks will be the first to lose civilization permanently
1080511;1427772669;asciilifeform;because when the wires fall - they don't merely fall, they short out substations
1080512;1427772678;asciilifeform;substation transformers in usa are in severe shortage
1080513;1427772696;asciilifeform;and getting worse.
1080514;1427772710;decimation;supposedly this is why the 'carrington event' would be so terrible
1080515;1427772720;decimation;because it would take months to build the transformers
1080516;1427772729;asciilifeform;^ vastly optimistic
1080517;1427772775;asciilifeform;the building would have to take place on another, spare planet where there wasn't a magnetopocalypse.
1080518;1427772781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6655 @ 0.00025597 = 1.7035 BTC [+]
1080519;1427772836;decimation;yeah, the really bad thing is that the damage would be global in scale
1080520;1427772875;decimation;“I had a cherry tree that died about 10 years ago. I cut out a part, and had a ceremony for it,†Campbell said. “I burnt it as part of an offering. I was thinking of getting others in the community to do it, and have a healing ceremony.â€
1080521;1427772935;asciilifeform;there is exactly one cure for this kind of mental pathology. the good news is that it -will- be prescribed. whether the 'patient' wants, or not.
1080522;1427773147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240150 @ 0.00025508 = 61.2575 BTC [-] {4} 
1080523;1427773373;nubbins`;i wonder how many people have printed private keys on thermal paper and subsequently hot-laminated the result
1080524;1427773449;asciilifeform;nubbins`: depending on the paper and the laminator - not necessarily disastrous
1080525;1427773452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99500 @ 0.00025242 = 25.1158 BTC [-] {2} 
1080526;1427773470;asciilifeform;incidentally, all thermal papers fade
1080527;1427773473;asciilifeform;some - very quickly
1080528;1427773475;nubbins`;^
1080529;1427773486;asciilifeform;anyone who saves receipts, ought to know this
1080530;1427773488;*;nubbins` has destroyed important receipts by putting in wallet
1080531;1427773504;nubbins`;who updates thebitcoin.foundation again? jurov / kakobrekla ?
1080532;1427773506;asciilifeform;thermal paper is great for things that -need- to be destroyed
1080533;1427773511;asciilifeform;e.g., one time pads
1080534;1427773522;asciilifeform;keep away from uv, doesn't fade so much
1080535;1427773589;nubbins`;oh wait it's mod6
1080536;1427773615;nubbins`;mod6, just a suggestion: put the 0.5.3.1 release note under the link rather than over it. it looks like it's attached to the original 0.5.3
1080537;1427773626;mod6;yeah, aight. thx.
1080538;1427773644;nubbins`;you might also wish to put a small blurb under 0.5.3 just noting that to the best of your knowledge, it's vintage legit
1080539;1427773647;mod6;ron burgandy is killing right now :]
1080540;1427773657;nubbins`;or w/e
1080541;1427773757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258168 @ 0.00025824 = 66.6693 BTC [+] {4} 
1080542;1427773999;mod6;aight, like that any better?
1080543;1427774062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193639 @ 0.00025207 = 48.8106 BTC [-] {3} 
1080544;1427774147;nubbins`;yeah that's nb
1080545;1427774155;mod6;ok thx
1080546;1427774171;nubbins`;the 
    structure won't really support this sort of per-release comment going forward, give me 5 minutes 1080547;1427774251;ben_vulpes; [02:35] the problem is tho : the electric machines suck specifically for being electric << different powerplants for different regimes 1080548;1427774264;ben_vulpes;electric kicks ass for power density 1080549;1427774458;ben_vulpes;storage (glide time) not so great. 1080550;1427774471;ben_vulpes;different engineering goals lead one to pick different power plants. 1080551;1427774566;nubbins`;mod6 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Fxv1WCF7 1080552;1427774567;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BG8ED8 ) 1080553;1427774611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111355 @ 0.00026295 = 29.2808 BTC [+] 1080554;1427774614;nubbins`;mod6 whole thing: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=EnpWcvp5 1080555;1427774615;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BG8NGC ) 1080556;1427774643;mod6;thanks nubbins` 1080557;1427774653;nubbins`;np 1080558;1427774923;ben_vulpes; [03:10] but because of the implicit transformation from 'item' to 'fabric' << i occasionally bat around the notion of producing microturbines with litho 1080559;1427774947;ben_vulpes;fuel, oxidizer etc delivered through capillary tubes 1080560;1427775358;ben_vulpes; [03:30] substation transformers in usa are in severe shortage << really? source? this shit doesn't fit in a container and ship from china these days? 1080561;1427775428;nubbins`;they're quite expensive and so there's not a ton of extra stock laying around 1080562;1427775463;nubbins`;if something widespread happens, existing supplies won't come close to covering replacements, and you're looking at months/years for production to catch up 1080563;1427775465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00026295 = 6.2977 BTC [+] 1080564;1427775491;nubbins`;;;google power grid is fucked if too many transformers blow at the same time 1080565;1427775492;gribble;Government Agency Warns If 9 Substations Are Destroyed, The ...: ; Government Agency: If 9 Substations Are Destroyed, The Power ...: if only. humans don't actually breed like that. <<< what, exponentially? o.O 1080652;1427801986;nubbins`;so i added BR2_GCC_CROSS_CXX=y and BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP=y flags to pogoplug_defconfig but g++ doesn't get spit out. what gives! 1080653;1427802183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79589 @ 0.00025248 = 20.0946 BTC [-] 1080654;1427802209;nubbins`;anyway mircea_popescu i took TFQ more to be an interpretation of the whole "hyperspace = outside of normal spacetime" thing simiar to what Card suggested in Children of the Mind 1080655;1427802228;nubbins`;rather than lame ol' intelligent design 1080656;1427802244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60306 @ 0.00025248 = 15.2261 BTC [-] 1080657;1427802248;funkenstein_; lifting whatever size load as one wishes, like balloons <-- it's the airflow problem that will probably get you. 1080658;1427802259;funkenstein_;Also as you move horizontally away from the object you are lifting, your leverage d 1080659;1427802265;funkenstein_;ecreases 1080660;1427802301;nubbins`;altho intelligent design and "super intelligent computer in hyperspace" is sort of a bijective function 1080661;1427803891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137050 @ 0.00025188 = 34.5202 BTC [-] {2} 1080662;1427804074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4494 @ 0.00025233 = 1.134 BTC [+] 1080663;1427804684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144250 @ 0.00024973 = 36.0236 BTC [-] {3} 1080664;1427805904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137100 @ 0.0002505 = 34.3436 BTC [+] 1080665;1427806453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 393704 @ 0.00025074 = 98.7173 BTC [+] {2} 1080666;1427806698;danielpbarron;height=306222 vs height=218829 1080667;1427807066;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080626 << so far have filled with deedbot documentation -> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot 1080668;1427807066;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 10:17:51; mircea_popescu: he wants to fill it with good christian thoughts. 1080669;1427808039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53280 @ 0.00025342 = 13.5022 BTC [+] 1080670;1427808212;nubbins`;next best thing 1080671;1427808536;nubbins`;"I discovered Bitcoin before fiat money since my Bitcoin wallet is 4 years old and my bank account is 1." -17 year old Louison Dumont, founder of Bitproof.io, on ZapChain AMA 1080672;1427808544;nubbins`;that's an immense amount of anti-logic 1080673;1427808596;nubbins`;i discovered my asshole before my mouth because my mouth is 33 years old and my new buttplug is 5. 1080674;1427808979;mod6;!t m s.mpoe 1080675;1427808980;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024959 / 0.00025931 / 0.0002757 (8398445 shares, 2,177.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00025237 / 0.00028207 (33101933 shares, 8,354.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00030532 / 0.0004493 (94432905 shares, 28,832.91 BTC) 1080676;1427809198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155651 @ 0.00025342 = 39.4451 BTC [+] 1080677;1427809686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193778 @ 0.00025785 = 49.9657 BTC [+] {2} 1080678;1427810845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 263550 @ 0.00026094 = 68.7707 BTC [+] {3} 1080679;1427811255;jurov;assholes, bitcoins, tomato flavored doritos.. to every man his own 1080680;1427811635;nubbins`;10/10 would eat again 1080681;1427811651;nubbins`;the deliciousness of ketchup flavor with the enhanced snap of a corn chip 1080682;1427811816;mats;what is going on with the yen? 1080683;1427811822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43894 @ 0.00024997 = 10.9722 BTC [-] {2} 1080684;1427811833;mats;i'm baffled 1080685;1427811940;jurov;;;ticker --currency jpy 1080686;1427811941;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. 1080687;1427812049;jurov;!t m s.qntr 1080688;1427812049;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00033 / 0.00033 / 0.00033 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00033 / 0.00033 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024802 / 0.00033 (45259 shares, 11.23 BTC) 1080689;1427812103;jurov;todamoon! 1080690;1427812122;jurov;!depth s.qntr 1080691;1427812129;jurov;$depth s.qntr 1080692;1427812621;thestringpuller;there is no mpex bot 1080693;1427812636;nubbins`;:( 1080694;1427813306;mats;USDJPY up ~20% over nine months 1080695;1427813411;mats;this, while fed rate hike is incoming and BoJ continues QE part two... 1080696;1427813588;asciilifeform;nubbins`: so i added BR2_GCC_CROSS_CXX=y and BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP=y flags to pogoplug_defconfig but g++ doesn't get spit out. what gives! << did you 'make clean all' ? 'buildroot' doesn't work like a proper 'make' project at all. you have to 'clean' it almost every time you change anything. 1080697;1427813592;asciilifeform;sorta like our bitcoind. 1080698;1427813631;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: Also as you move horizontally away from the object you are lifting, your leverage decreases << only if payload is a point. 1080699;1427813676;asciilifeform;if it is point-like enough, it begins to make sense to stack the tiles vertically (at sufficient distance naturally) 1080700;1427813681;asciilifeform;!up freeborn 1080701;1427813687;freeborn;thanks! 1080702;1427813707;freeborn;hi all, been following the bitcoin foundations work for a little while.. looks really cool! I have been giving it a shot trying to install on my openbsd machine, I noticed in the release notes that BingoBoingo has provided soem insights for building on obsd, does anyone know if this is possible yet? 1080703;1427813742;asciilifeform;freeborn: try the mac os build instructions posted recently, these may work on openbsd 1080704;1427813756;freeborn;asciilifeform: cool, will track that down, thanks! 1080705;1427813786;mats;somehow the peasants are reassured by fake money being poured into the engine 1080706;1427813789;thestringpuller;freeborn: I'm pretty sure mod6 has gotten it working on OpenBSD. 1080707;1427813797;mats;thats the only explanation for increased confidence in the yen i can imagine 1080708;1427813807;nubbins`;asciilifeform ah. i did 'make clean' but not 'make clean all'. 1080709;1427813820;asciilifeform;nubbins`: make clean all first cleans then alls 1080710;1427813826;thestringpuller;mats: i don't understand the point of fake money anymore. 1080711;1427813836;nubbins`;hm. trying it again now, regardless 1080712;1427813857;thestringpuller;mats: /wind 5 1080713;1427813859;freeborn;thestringpuller: very cool. mod6 o/ 1080714;1427813862;thestringpuller;oops* 1080715;1427813864;asciilifeform;nubbins`: rebuild from scratch (as per my recipe but with your flags) 1080716;1427813872;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this may be necessary if changing compiler type 1080717;1427813882;nubbins`;hm 1080718;1427813895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63188 @ 0.00024943 = 15.761 BTC [-] {2} 1080719;1427813899;mats;gotta work on your editor fu 1080720;1427813903;nubbins`;well, this has been going for about an hour now, so i'll let it finish. if that doesn't do it, i'll start from scratch 1080721;1427813917;asciilifeform;freeborn: get in the wot 1080722;1427813920;mats;lotta those errors being printed to chan on a weekly basis 1080723;1427813925;asciilifeform;freeborn: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1080724;1427813933;asciilifeform;freeborn: then you can have permanent voice. 1080725;1427813956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81071 @ 0.00024852 = 20.1478 BTC [-] 1080726;1427813957;nubbins`;asciilifeform FWIW you may wish to include those flags in the next portatronic release; boost requires g++ 1080727;1427813964;freeborn;asciilifeform: ok, sounds good. 1080728;1427813974;asciilifeform;nubbins`: you know, you can make next release too 1080729;1427813981;nubbins`;:D 1080730;1427813986;nubbins`;dat empowerment 1080731;1427813995;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i have not even tried to build bitcoin or its deps using buildroot's chain, yet 1080732;1427814000;nubbins`;aha. 1080733;1427814002;asciilifeform;nubbins`: so you will be the pioneer. 1080734;1427814007;nubbins`;i have; it needs g++ 8) 1080735;1427814013;nubbins`;\m/ 1080736;1427814044;asciilifeform;nubbins`: incidentally - read through the packages tree to see if there are any that use cpp 1080737;1427814044;nubbins`;freeborn have you run into errors or have you not tried yet? 1080738;1427814050;asciilifeform;nubbins`: and see what flags they pull in 1080739;1427814058;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this will easily answer your puzzle 1080740;1427814077;asciilifeform;(buildroot's packages that is) 1080741;1427814078;*;nubbins` nods 1080742;1427814141;nubbins`;now, while i wait for this potentially-useless compile to finish, i'm gonna re-up on caffeine and watch some zombies 1080743;1427814360;nubbins`;hm, if this doesn't work, i can rebuild *just* the cross toolchain, can't i? 1080744;1427814378;mod6;<+thestringpuller> freeborn: I'm pretty sure mod6 has gotten it working on OpenBSD. << Hi freeborn, yup, OpenBSD is on def. at the top of our list of platforms to support. I made good progress on this in February, but got a little side-tracked in March with the release. Stay tuned to the mailing list (btc-dev), any advancements in this realm will be updated there. 1080745;1427814383;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you print 10k capilaries of which over 9000 have a hole somewhere... well i guess it'd make a great burning man prop << problem invites itself to be solved with clever metallurgy. as in, alloy which functions if in a normal turbine but fuses the capillary shut if said capillary is on fire and not cooled by a nearby functioning microturbine. 1080746;1427814434;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: optic fibre is perhaps the ideal thing to bury << aha. doesn't care about water (see ancient thread re: co2 tanks chained to telco poles) or capacitance of surrounding material 1080747;1427814448;freeborn;mod6: thanks!!! my fingers await your instructions 1080748;1427814461;freeborn;currently with out some guidence, compiling this looks beyond me 1080749;1427814505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92300 @ 0.00025588 = 23.6177 BTC [+] 1080750;1427814505;mod6;It requires a subtle patch to the code. 1080751;1427814520;freeborn;once ready, I am interested in working on a openbsd live image that uses the reference bitcoind 1080752;1427814538;mod6;I have that part figured out, I even had mine running. but it was only a /dynamically/ linked build. The part I need to still sort out is a staically linked build. 1080753;1427814554;freeborn;ok, subscribing to the list ;) 1080754;1427814587;mod6;Hopefully I'll have something figured out for that soon. And yup, updates will go to the mailing list. :] 1080755;1427815100;nubbins`;mod6 many changes for bsd? 1080756;1427815359;mod6;naw. its just a few additional include statements in a few of the source files iirc 1080757;1427815387;mod6;I can look quick 1080758;1427815503;fluffypony;http://spottedmarley.com/thinkabout/bitcoin-surveillance.jpg 1080759;1427815504;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsYdGF ) 1080760;1427815523;nubbins`;as a wild guess, i'd say at least some of the changes in my osx instructions may apply -- most of them were just renaming syscalls and compiler flags 1080761;1427815555;mod6;!up freeborn 1080762;1427815662;mod6;so it looks like i've got 1 small tweak to the makefile, and for some reason it doesnt seem to like "DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE" in db.cpp and there are a few include statements needed. 1080763;1427815721;mod6;but all of that is easy, i just need to dig in to figure out how to get the proper configure args for openbsd -- iirc last time I tried, I tried to build a statically linked binary and then openssl compile failed. and I just got busy with the release so I havent gotten back to it yet. 1080764;1427815765;nubbins`;YEAH 1080765;1427815769;mod6;There's a lot of stuff on our "to-do" list, but it'd be nice to knock out some OpenBSD support before we get into doing other heavy lifting. 1080766;1427815770;nubbins`;i mean, uh, yeah 1080767;1427815814;mod6;i'll see if i can do some sorcery in the next few days and get it resolved. 1080768;1427815830;nubbins`;i'm planning to fiddle with getting static bitcoind compiled w/ pogotron buildroot cross-compile toolchain 1080769;1427815841;nubbins`;can take a peek at some flavor of bsd after that 1080770;1427815940;mod6;sweet, thanks nubbins` 1080771;1427816083;trinque;I have my cross compiling tooling all set up as well, and can help 1080772;1427816097;trinque;nubbins`: I made it as far as boost having a seizure over... something 1080773;1427816105;trinque;I'll run it again and find out 1080774;1427816123;nubbins`;pastebin a good chunk before and after your first error 1080775;1427816138;trinque;aye aye 1080776;1427816579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161850 @ 0.00025609 = 41.4482 BTC [+] {2} 1080777;1427817380;nubbins`;!up freeborn 1080778;1427817921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189749 @ 0.00025256 = 47.923 BTC [-] 1080779;1427818299;lobbes;I'll be ordering my 'training laptop' soon. My question is: Gentoo or OpenBSD? 1080780;1427818348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17216 @ 0.00025256 = 4.3481 BTC [-] 1080781;1427818618;jurov;hi lobbes 1080782;1427818631;jurov;if you're serious about simpleshell then gentoo 1080783;1427818638;jurov;just my 2c 1080784;1427818670;jurov;but i don't see any problem with dualboot 1080785;1427818714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111000 @ 0.00026012 = 28.8733 BTC [+] {2} 1080786;1427818800;lobbes;thanks jurov. Yeah, I feel like I'm leaning the gentoo direction. Still gotta find a good hosting provider for simpleshell though 1080787;1427818819;lobbes;and I'm too cheap to shell out the dough for a dedi 1080788;1427818897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103850 @ 0.00025256 = 26.2284 BTC [-] 1080789;1427819006;*;ben_vulpes sips coffee, dives into logs 1080790;1427819019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229200 @ 0.00025037 = 57.3848 BTC [-] {3} 1080791;1427819142;ben_vulpes;: ... juicy ... << litho, my man, litho. 1080792;1427819280;jurov;lobbes there are dedis with small arm machines 1080793;1427819307;ben_vulpes;a gentleman by the name of mark weislogel gave me the inspiration for the idea one year in thermofluids 1080794;1427819350;ben_vulpes;"some of the work going on over at the lab has to do with microfluidic transport systems relying on capillaries - and i mean *micro* - we etch the channels in" 1080795;1427819386;ben_vulpes;lil benkay's mind goes frothy with applications of etched channels in rocketry and turbines 1080796;1427819417;ben_vulpes;assbot: foo" 1080797;1427819423;ben_vulpes;assbot: foo? 1080798;1427819547;ben_vulpes;;;ticker --market bitstamp --currency jpy 1080799;1427819548;gribble;Bitstamp BTCJPY ticker | Best bid: 29214.04776, Best ask: 29232.03966, Bid-ask spread: 17.99190, Last trade: 29271.62184, 24 hour volume: 8222.96799952, 24 hour low: 28613.1183, 24 hour high: 29849.76156, 24 hour vwap: 29343.2288502 1080800;1427819559;ben_vulpes;mats ^^ 1080801;1427819749;ben_vulpes; http://spottedmarley.com/thinkabout/bitcoin-surveillance.jpg << sauce? 1080802;1427819751;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DmBfD9 ) 1080803;1427819816;fluffypony;ben_vulpes: it was linked somewhere, Reddit I think 1080804;1427819834;jurov;https://twitter.com/spottedmarley 1080805;1427819836;assbot;Spotted Marley (@SpottedMarley) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1DmBRbH ) 1080806;1427819924;ben_vulpes;http://antiwar.com/blog/2015/03/18/google-disables-all-ads-on-antiwar-com/ << via spotted_marley 1080807;1427819926;assbot;Google Disables All Ads on Antiwar.com (Updated) « Antiwar.com Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1DmCsdu ) 1080808;1427819942;ben_vulpes;weak lawgs 1080809;1427819949;ben_vulpes;looks like i have no choice but to rubby up 1080810;1427819978;mats;ben_vulpes: not me but thanks 1080811;1427820060;ben_vulpes;berp borp 1080812;1427820074;ben_vulpes;this is what i get for being on irc before the stimulants hit my bloodstream 1080813;1427820130;ben_vulpes;apropos of nothing 1080814;1427820131;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/infoforcefeed/OlegDB/issues/166 1080815;1427820132;assbot;Eventual consistency via IMRS clustering proposal · Issue #166 · infoforcefeed/OlegDB · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DmDZjS ) 1080816;1427820148;lobbes;jurov: oh wow. noob me was unaware of the existance of ARM processors. Yes, looking around the google this seems like it might be a good route to follow. Thanks for the tip! 1080817;1427820183;jurov;yw 1080818;1427820229;nubbins`;asciilifeform are those md5 checksums on the end of your patch names or what? 1080819;1427820239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104500 @ 0.00026229 = 27.4093 BTC [+] {2} 1080820;1427820253;*;nubbins` has checked sigs, verified everything front-back, has no idea what string in filename is :S 1080821;1427820714;jurov;nubbins`: on btc-dev mailing list? 1080822;1427820721;nubbins`;yes 1080823;1427820722;jurov;that's sha1 hash 1080824;1427820724;nubbins`;a! 1080825;1427820729;jurov;of patch contents 1080826;1427820766;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << explained here 1080827;1427820767;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyUhn4 ) 1080828;1427820835;jurov;patch list page shows bogus data, it's my TODO 1080829;1427821074;nubbins`;ok! 1080830;1427821077;nubbins`;thanks 1080831;1427821111;nubbins`;hm, made changes to pogoplug_defconfig, they don't show up in .config 1080832;1427821170;BingoBoingo;!up freeborn 1080833;1427821215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136327 @ 0.00026312 = 35.8704 BTC [+] 1080834;1427821261;BingoBoingo;;;later tell freeborn If you have the slightest inclination to use the wallet at all and you aren't using 5.7 or -current you will want to change the random function in wallet.cpp explicitly to arc4random, which has not been rc4 based in a long time. It is their good random. 1080835;1427821261;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1080836;1427822229;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1080837;1427822234;ascii_field;ty BingoBoingo 1080838;1427822251;ascii_field;nubbins`: asciilifeform are those md5 checksums << wai wat 1080839;1427822257;ascii_field;nubbins`: sha512 1080840;1427822276;ascii_field;nubbins`: made changes to pogoplug_defconfig, they don't show up in .config << make clean; make pogoplug_defconfig; make 1080841;1427822453;nubbins`;ascii_field: i did make clean; make pogoplug_defconfig, but my "BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP=y" line from pogoplug_defconfig isn't showing up in the resultant .config 1080842;1427822489;ascii_field;which .config ? 1080843;1427822605;nubbins`;# configuration written to /home/nubs/dev/buildroot-2015.02/.config 1080844;1427822618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22720 @ 0.00026312 = 5.9781 BTC [+] 1080845;1427822630;nubbins`;if i 'make nconfig' and enable the C++ option in there, the flag shows in .config 1080846;1427822790;ascii_field;nubbins`: hm. iirc there is a verbose debug option for the make. try see what it does 1080847;1427822805;ascii_field;eventually we are probably stuck with the job of actually figuring out how buildroot works 1080848;1427822813;ascii_field;definitely has warts 1080849;1427822822;ascii_field;but it's still lightyears ahead of doing all the work manually 1080850;1427823288;nubbins`;yeah 1080851;1427823318;nubbins`;i added c++ support via nconfig after applying your two patches, gonna see what that spits out 1080852;1427823777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109750 @ 0.00025909 = 28.4351 BTC [-] 1080853;1427824134;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1080854;1427824564;ascii_field;in other 'news', week straight of scouring the net for traces of anything even roughly comparable to 'pogo' still being in production - 1080855;1427824566;ascii_field;no result. 1080856;1427824610;ascii_field;(idiocies like boards with video chip, sound card, etc. at 3 to 5 times the cost - don't count, not interesting in the least) 1080857;1427824814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161324 @ 0.00026312 = 42.4476 BTC [+] 1080858;1427824875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00026312 = 6.0781 BTC [+] 1080859;1427824938;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/ecQ5T 1080860;1427824939;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BIRQvi ) 1080861;1427824969;nubbins`;ultra-lel ^ 1080862;1427824977;nubbins`;check date on last email 1080863;1427825164;chetty;powdered alcohol??? wt 1080864;1427825241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57340 @ 0.00026312 = 15.0873 BTC [+] 1080865;1427825607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180325 @ 0.00026679 = 48.1089 BTC [+] {2} 1080866;1427825981;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1080867;1427826278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44504 @ 0.00026682 = 11.8746 BTC [+] 1080868;1427827499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135000 @ 0.00026827 = 36.2165 BTC [+] 1080869;1427827803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105200 @ 0.00026835 = 28.2304 BTC [+] 1080870;1427827904;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1080871;1427827909;BingoBoingo;!up _FeltPen 1080872;1427828009;ascii_field;'Recently a retired US general went on television to declare that what's needed to turn around the situation in the Ukraine is to simply “start killing Russians.†The Russians listened to that, marveled at his idiocy, and then went ahead and opened a criminal case against him. Now this general will be unable to travel to an ever-increasing number of countries around the world for fear of getting arrested and depor 1080873;1427828009;ascii_field;ted to Russia to stand trial. This is largely a symbolic gesture, but non-symbolic non-gestures of a preventive nature are sure to follow. You see, my fellow space travelers, murder happens to be illegal. In most jurisdictions, inciting others to murder also happens to be illegal. Americans have granted themselves the license to kill without checking to see whether perhaps they might be exceeding their authority. We 1080874;1427828010;ascii_field;should expect, then, that as their power trickles away, their license to kill will be revoked, and they find themselves reclassified from global hegemons to mere murderers.' 1080875;1427828028;ascii_field;^ mega-l0l from, guess who, orlov; http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html 1080876;1427828029;assbot;ClubOrlov: License to Kill ... ( http://bit.ly/1afDpt6 ) 1080877;1427828535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139376 @ 0.00026827 = 37.3904 BTC [-] 1080878;1427828690;ascii_field;https://www.amazon.com/oc/dash-button << seek00r1ty lulz waiting to happen 1080879;1427828691;assbot;Amazon Dash Button - Official site - Request an invitation ... ( http://bit.ly/19yGIKO ) 1080880;1427828718;ascii_field;own some schmuck's wifi, order 10,000 bottles of washing machine liquid 1080881;1427828853;Chillum;even if you can't hack other people's it would be nice if you can repurpose it 1080882;1427828902;Chillum;make it into a wifi doorbell 1080883;1427828935;BingoBoingo;Chillum> make it into a wifi doorbell << What's wrong with a heavy, resonant wooden door? 1080884;1427828958;Chillum;I bet they give those away are sell them really cheap to sell more product 1080885;1427828973;Chillum;s/are/or/ 1080886;1427828990;ascii_field;Chillum: ad says they will be given away to subscribers 1080887;1427828998;ascii_field;(of amazon 'prime') 1080888;1427829027;Chillum;at first. I bet they will start shipping them along with whatever you order soon 1080889;1427829043;Chillum;buy a printer, get a button for ink 1080890;1427829048;trinque;amazon... stahhhhp 1080891;1427829059;Chillum;one click ordering was too hard 1080892;1427829074;*;Chillum is going to push every single one of those he sees 1080893;1427829076;trinque;gotta turn your house into a gerbil cage 1080894;1427829082;Chillum;you have to push buttons after all 1080895;1427829107;ascii_field;Chillum: even funnier: eventually printer will want a credit card inserted when you print. but - you get toner in the mail when runs out 1080896;1427829109;ascii_field;something like that. 1080897;1427829135;trinque;these are ads. 1080898;1427829145;*;trinque shakes his head 1080899;1427829163;trinque;it's so you have a fucking cotonelle logo next to you every time you shit 1080900;1427829194;Chillum;lol, I want to reprogram them, put a sticker over the advert 1080901;1427829198;ascii_field;trinque: from the ad, it seems like the button comes unadorned but possibly with different stickers depending on what vendor you set yours to 1080902;1427829216;ascii_field;(why this entire gadget is necessary, i still do not understand) 1080903;1427829246;Chillum;by reducing the difficulty of ordering people are significantly more likely to order 1080904;1427829263;Chillum;for stuff you would normally buy when grocery shopping 1080905;1427829267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106400 @ 0.00026853 = 28.5716 BTC [+] {2} 1080906;1427829296;ascii_field;in other news, 1080907;1427829301;ascii_field;pogov4 up by $1 on 'amazon.' 1080908;1427829410;mod6;BingoBoingo: thank's for the OpenBSD reminder about arc4random, a note about your blog though... you do say 7.x or 8 or w/e.. in v0.5.3/v0.5.3.1 the function that contains that part to change from rand() to arc4random() is called: CWallet::SelectCoinsMinConf 1080909;1427829434;mod6;line 858 of wallet.cpp from v0.5.3.1 1080910;1427829441;mod6;just fyi anyway 1080911;1427829506;Chillum;the earlier version looks more useful: http://gizmodo.com/amazon-dash-is-a-magic-wand-that-makes-sure-you-never-r-1558691755 barcode scanner and microphone with wifi button. Would rather hack that 1080912;1427829507;assbot;Amazon Dash Is a Magic Wand That Makes Sure You Never Run Out of Stuff ... ( http://bit.ly/19yLmZo ) 1080913;1427829507;BingoBoingo;mod6: Cool if the news ever calms down enough try try the reference build I'm going to have to put this in the notebook. 1080914;1427829513;BingoBoingo;!up SquirtPrincess 1080915;1427829553;trinque;... SquirtPrincess ? 1080916;1427829592;trinque;what is this, infiltration by fake cam girl? 1080917;1427829631;trinque;Chillum: kinda neat, though why not just scan with a phone app 1080918;1427829646;trinque;and I think having a standing order of whatever per month trumps all 1080919;1427829762;Chillum;Simpler is more secure, I don't trust my phone. Not sure what it is running but if you could get a fresh linux install it would be nice 1080920;1427829774;jurov;!up ascii_field 1080921;1427829781;Chillum;it is only a laser based barcode scanner though, so no qr codes 1080922;1427829941;mod6;BingoBoingo: cool. ive got openssl/bdb/boost built now on obsd 5.6, then just gotta apply sublte obsd changes to v0.5.3.1 and then try the static build. if all works & pulls blocks, I'll make patches: one for the v0.5.3.1 source and one for `auto.sh' (which needs a few tweaks). maybe you can just point at that instead. anyway, no worries. 1080923;1427830003;BingoBoingo;mod6: Sounds good. I'll likely point to that in addition to what I have already 1080924;1427830014;trinque;Chillum: sure, but there's a barrier to getting someone to deal with another gadget 1080925;1427830035;mod6;good deal. im excited about a hardened version of bitcoin to run on obsd! 1080926;1427830133;trinque;^ hear hear 1080927;1427830243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25270 @ 0.00026827 = 6.7792 BTC [-] 1080928;1427830245;BingoBoingo;!up SquirtPrincess 1080929;1427830369;Chillum;If one could have cheap hardware with a built in hardware assist qr reader then you could use that for a cold wallet system. You would likely need more than one qr code per tx though 1080930;1427830373;SquirtPrincess;thxs <3 1080931;1427830434;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1080932;1427830439;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: auto.sh downloads tarballs from places that aren't therealbitcoin 1080933;1427830443;ascii_field;imho this is a bad idea 1080934;1427830454;ascii_field;at the very least should have mirror. 1080935;1427830491;ascii_field;i mean, yes, we have hashes 1080936;1427830502;BingoBoingo; good deal. im excited about a hardened version of bitcoin to run on obsd! << Just remember on obsd libressl is an option. Libressl v 2.0 syncs plays much nicer with the built in OpenBSD memory protections than OpenSSL does, those changes were the reason they forked. 1080937;1427830515;SquirtPrincess;think im too late for tits for BTc lol 1080938;1427830529;ascii_field;but the use of boxes not under therealbitcoin's control, for any purpose, is not a thing to live with indefinitely 1080939;1427830540;ascii_field;SquirtPrincess: ask mircea_popescu about this 1080940;1427830546;BingoBoingo;SquirtPrincess: Not really, just have to wait for mircea_popescu to show up. 1080941;1427830596;SquirtPrincess;thxs <3 fr the info 1080942;1427830686;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: auto.sh leads to 'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' on my boxes. 1080943;1427830688;ascii_field;wtf. 1080944;1427830763;nubbins`;:o 1080945;1427830877;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-03-2015#1071861 1080946;1427830877;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 01:51:17; danielpbarron: last time i tried to build bitcoind i got this far -> util.h:650:8: error: 'uint32_t' does not name a type 1080947;1427830890;ascii_field;i distinctly recall fixing this in one of my patches 1080948;1427830895;ascii_field;who reintroduced it, and why ? 1080949;1427831129;ascii_field;and where the fuck DOES this thing build? 1080950;1427831131;ascii_field;who tested it? 1080951;1427831139;ascii_field;anyone? 1080952;1427831668;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/opsec-lessons-from-carl-mark-force-iv/ 1080953;1427831676;BingoBoingo;^ Much lulz 1080954;1427831919;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein_ 1080955;1427832045;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: 'Force had a habit of throwing is profession around' ? 1080956;1427832049;ascii_field;'his profession' ? 1080957;1427832061;ascii_field;'if Bitcoin villain Mark Karpeles can believed' 1080958;1427832063;ascii_field;'be believed' ? 1080959;1427832082;ascii_field;'lead to exchanges' >> 'leads to' ? 1080960;1427832130;BingoBoingo;fxd 1080961;1427832338;chetty;!up ascii_field 1080962;1427832355;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1080963;1427832374;ascii_field;all the 'long long' crapolade and any other non-stdint idiocy needs to go. 1080964;1427832378;ascii_field;it is fucking retarded. 1080965;1427832424;ascii_field;and yes, uint_8 instead of char, too 1080966;1427832433;ascii_field;all types should have obvious bitwidths. 1080967;1427832480;ascii_field;why is it in there? is it still in phoundation's fork? 1080968;1427832561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69814 @ 0.00026493 = 18.4958 BTC [-] 1080969;1427832779;ascii_field;oh and i will also spew forth this: 1080970;1427832809;ascii_field;a virginal gentoo box is imho presently the gold standard of non-retarded computing (at least on linux. could argue with openbsd, etc) 1080971;1427832818;ascii_field;if something doesn't build correctly there - it's broken. 1080972;1427832994;chetty;well I guess eulora will get the ultimate test then, mp is planning on installing a copy on such a box soonish 1080973;1427833049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169900 @ 0.00026896 = 45.6963 BTC [+] {3} 1080974;1427833053;ascii_field;Chillum: If one could have cheap hardware with a built in hardware assist qr reader << this is one of the things i disagree with mircea_popescu about. i do not like qr codes. they require a surprising amount of algorithmic complexity and consequently cpu horsepower to decode. 1080975;1427833073;Chillum;that is why I was thinking hardware assist qr 1080976;1427833073;ascii_field;and correspondingly - they enlarge attack surface. 1080977;1427833084;ascii_field;Chillum: and what's in the hardware? pixie dust? 1080978;1427833121;ascii_field;Chillum: you may come from a place where the word 'hardware' means you are permitted to not think about how something works. #b-a is not such a place. 1080979;1427833152;trinque;hardware assist likely means the qr code reader is actually a keyboard 1080980;1427833158;trinque;much like barcode scanners tend to be 1080981;1427833164;Chillum;rs232 for the good ones 1080982;1427833168;ascii_field;it is NOT ACTUALLY A KEYBOARD - just presents as one 1080983;1427833172;trinque;right 1080984;1427833177;ascii_field;internally there is still code that decodes the fucking bitmap 1080985;1427833179;ascii_field;srsly 1080986;1427833183;ascii_field;this is elementary 1080987;1427833186;trinque;ascii_field: I'm not advocating this 1080988;1427833191;trinque;just translating 1080989;1427833198;ascii_field;but everybody but me seems to use these 1080990;1427833202;ascii_field;and i say - grief will come of it. 1080991;1427833206;Chillum;I think all means of moving information from one computer to another involves some hardware 1080992;1427833221;Chillum;even if you software decode a signal the hardware can still tamper with it 1080993;1427833241;ascii_field;Chillum: some hardware such as fingers 1080994;1427833287;Chillum;so how would one move information to and from a cold wallet? I want to avoid USB which is full of issues 1080995;1427833295;ascii_field;fingers. 1080996;1427833302;ascii_field;you have 10 of'em 1080997;1427833304;ascii_field;i assume 1080998;1427833304;Chillum;type the whole transaction?? 1080999;1427833307;ascii_field;unless you're a carpenter 1081000;1427833314;Chillum;then type the signature? 1081001;1427833318;ascii_field;or 2d barcode 1081002;1427833321;ascii_field;spiral it if you must 1081003;1427833330;ascii_field;it is read with minimal horsepower. 1081004;1427833336;Chillum;I wonder if you can feed a very long 2d barcode as a paper tape 1081005;1427833353;Chillum;thermal printer/laser 1081006;1427833370;Chillum;you can even program your own microcontroller with the barcode algo if you are worried 1081007;1427833375;Chillum;of course you will have to trust its cpu 1081008;1427833428;ascii_field;Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu. 1081009;1427833433;ascii_field;can be made entirely of discrete logic. 1081010;1427833437;ascii_field;qr - no. 1081011;1427833452;Chillum;even if you have a trusted barcode reader feeding information into a rs232 port you can still trigger a buffer overflow in something that uses the data 1081012;1427833469;Chillum;some control over the content is still needed 1081013;1427833494;ascii_field;traditional barcode gives you a very easy means of estimating the size of the payload 1081014;1427833497;ascii_field;qr - again, no 1081015;1427833513;Chillum;fair enough, was just thinking of information density 1081016;1427833553;Chillum;hmm a strip of thermal paper could have 4 different barcodes running along the length of the strip to be read concurrently to reduce paper size 1081017;1427833564;BingoBoingo;I sense a loller train a coming https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ypy1/opsec_lessons_from_carl_mark_force_iv/cpx1mwy 1081018;1427833566;assbot;usrn comments on OpSec Lessons From Carl Mark Force IV ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB1Op4 ) 1081019;1427833570;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> and where the fuck DOES this thing build? <<< apparently only on osx and DPB's pogos o.O 1081020;1427833590;ascii_field;Chillum: i do it differently. 'boustrophedonic' (if you don't know, look it up) raster scan on the tape 1081021;1427833624;ascii_field;nubbins`: i am unable to build with auto.sh 1081022;1427833641;ascii_field;nubbins`: and this is everyone's loss, because i was gonna attempt a proper fix for the orphans thing tonight 1081023;1427833647;ascii_field;but now won't, because barfed. 1081024;1427833692;Chillum;good idea to reduce seek time of the scanner. Was thinking long strip of paper because thermal paper is so cheap and it could be pulled through and spat out 1081025;1427833715;Chillum;4 readers next to each other 1081026;1427833781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47950 @ 0.00026748 = 12.8257 BTC [-] 1081027;1427833795;Chillum;plus devices that pull receipt paper along are already available and cheap[ 1081028;1427833817;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> a virginal gentoo box is imho presently the gold standard of non-retarded computing (at least on linux. could argue with openbsd, etc) <<< if anyone reading this is at all interested in playing with .foundation releases going forward, i'd strongly encourage they fire up a VM and actually go through a fresh gentoo install. official guides are well-written and if you can't handle this step, you're not ready for monkey-football 1081029;1427833817;Chillum;a modified printer can pull the paper past the readers 1081030;1427833832;ascii_field;Chillum: cheap but not optimized for keeping it straight. 1081031;1427833842;Chillum;valid point 1081032;1427833849;ascii_field;Chillum: virtually everything that comes out of mine is slightly crooked 1081033;1427833869;ascii_field;nubbins`: but apparently no one tested this release on gentoo ! 1081034;1427833886;ascii_field;it was built, if built, on fuck knows what 1081035;1427833889;Chillum;If there were a strip of timing lines at even intervals you could even just put it into a depression and hand pull it across, if they were wide enough a bit of slant would be okay 1081036;1427833915;Chillum;mag stripe cards that can be swiped at variable speeds(different speeds in the same swipe) use a timing signal 1081037;1427833919;Chillum;shoudl not be much different 1081038;1427833940;ascii_field;Chillum: aha. 1081039;1427833951;Chillum;that paper is easy to mangle 1081040;1427833954;ascii_field;i'll go further, and say that one could straight encode ps/2 clock and data signals as barcode. 1081041;1427833961;ascii_field;that way reader is -100% analogue- 1081042;1427833967;Chillum;good idea 1081043;1427833967;ascii_field;-analogue-. 1081044;1427833970;nubbins`;what's danielpbarron's nodes running, bsd? 1081045;1427833986;ascii_field;http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol 1081046;1427833988;assbot;The PS/2 Mouse/Keyboard Protocol ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB3XBb ) 1081047;1427833994;ascii_field;http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol/waveform3.jpg 1081048;1427833995;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB3Xkw ) 1081049;1427834013;ascii_field;(and if you don't have a ps/2 jack you don't have a computer, sorry) 1081050;1427834030;Chillum;that usb2ps2 converter is surely NSA tampered 1081051;1427834120;Chillum;I think you would want some level of error correction built in 1081052;1427834187;ascii_field;redundancy also works. 1081053;1427834215;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1081054;1427834217;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1081055;1427834220;nubbins`;raced ya 1081056;1427834223;thestringpuller;:P 1081057;1427834289;ascii_field;Chillum: re: tampered keyboard adapters: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044644 << mandatory reading 1081058;1427834289;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 23:41:18; asciilifeform: it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling. 1081059;1427834305;ascii_field;including linked thread. 1081060;1427834330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.00026972 = 22.4137 BTC [+] 1081061;1427834346;ascii_field;and ask yourself the question, when contemplating whether a piece of hardware could have been boobytrapped - what would you, in the place of the enemy, place as the payload ? 1081062;1427834377;ascii_field;that is, that 1) yields something useful 2) in a situation that is actually likely to play out 3) isn't embarrassingly obvious 1081063;1427834380;Chillum;buy hardware first, become target of major government second 1081064;1427834400;ascii_field;Chillum: how does that work if it isn't already boobytrapped 1081065;1427834400;Chillum;of course there is the act of making all adapters a bit noisy by poor design so it can be picked up on radio 1081066;1427834402;ascii_field;telepathy ? 1081067;1427834412;ascii_field;noisy - sure 1081068;1427834421;ascii_field;i can pick up my keyboard from 50+ metres 1081069;1427834432;ascii_field;(see log) 1081070;1427834439;*;Chillum wants a room sized Faraday cage 1081071;1427834466;ascii_field;Chillum: what of the mains wiring ? 1081072;1427834466;Chillum;though a cold wallet sized Faraday cage is a more reasonable endeavour 1081073;1427834472;ascii_field;the mains is the hard part 1081074;1427834487;Chillum;Do UPS battery packs help? 1081075;1427834501;ascii_field;commercial cells are good for a few dozen cycles, max. 1081076;1427834525;ascii_field;tend to lose half or so capacity after five or six. 1081077;1427834529;Chillum;surely there must be something that can either clean the signal or noise it up so much you can't see anything else 1081078;1427834546;ascii_field;Chillum: there is. but not cheap. 1081079;1427834550;ascii_field;and not available to consumers. 1081080;1427834562;ascii_field;you will have to actually understand the physics. and build it 1081081;1427834567;Chillum;I am thinking the power systems for RVs, they run a lot and I think they can be charged from the mains 1081082;1427834570;ascii_field;the 'cage' per se is the easy part. 1081083;1427834591;ascii_field;Chillum: rv has engine, alternator. 1081084;1427834607;Chillum;yes, but at least some of them you can plug into utilities while parked 1081085;1427834636;ascii_field;afaik they use traditional lead-acid batteries. 1081086;1427834641;ascii_field;which are quite the same as ups battery. 1081087;1427834651;Chillum;if you only discharge a vehicle battry 20% before charging it they last a good amount of time 1081088;1427834660;Chillum;they don't like to be deeply drained though 1081089;1427834684;Chillum;there are a lot of <10 watt computers 1081090;1427834711;Chillum;charge one battery, use another. Then switch. No signals should get out then 1081091;1427834721;Chillum;not through the wire at least 1081092;1427834740;ascii_field;re: qr: finally found the paper i was looking for: https://www.sba-research.org/wp-content/uploads/publications/qrinception.pdf 1081093;1427834740;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB738a ) 1081094;1427834759;*;Chillum saves the url for later, I don't load pdfs on this computer 1081095;1427834761;ascii_field;^ describes 'qr in qr' attack 1081096;1427834769;ascii_field;with examples. 1081097;1427834796;Chillum;a lot of readers can have their mode changed to accept other types of codes by giving it a special UPC 1081098;1427834814;Chillum;so if it is set to UPC only you can still activate QR and inject long strings, which a lot of software does not expect 1081099;1427834861;Chillum;one of my favorite defcon talks of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT_gwl1drhc 1081100;1427834863;assbot;DEFCON 16: Toying with Barcodes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB7uPR ) 1081101;1427834886;ascii_field;a traditional barcode can be decoded with your eyes, and some patience, to verify. try this with qr. 1081102;1427834909;Chillum;yes, you can see that each number is the same pattern of lines 1081103;1427834920;Chillum;qr is meant to be dense, not simple 1081104;1427835041;ascii_field;the correct way to do 2-dimensional barcodes would be 1) traditional barcode laser pen, combined with 2) something like a small gramophone 1081105;1427835060;Chillum;he shows how to turn on multi-code qrs, then mysql inject a computer attached to the reader 1081106;1427835061;ascii_field;that way 1) reader is analogue, as the gods intended 1081107;1427835070;Chillum;example of a reader being too smart 1081108;1427835071;ascii_field;and 2) there is no 'picture in picture' idiocy possible 1081109;1427835100;ascii_field;Chillum: that isn't the fault of the barcode gizmo, now, is it. 1081110;1427835111;ascii_field;Chillum: may as well presume a winblows xp box, etc. 1081111;1427835121;Chillum;the gizmo allowed special codes from the public manual to turn on features that were supposed to be off 1081112;1427835135;Chillum;so it shares some of the fault 1081113;1427835156;ascii_field;this is why i suggested an analogue driver of ps/2 kbd lines 1081114;1427835156;Chillum;it went from fixed length only to variable length. The software was a fool to trust it though 1081115;1427835171;ascii_field;it cannot behave as anything other than a keyboard. no matter how much it wants to. 1081116;1427835206;Chillum;can it send keys like ctrl-alt-sysreq?? 1081117;1427835212;Chillum;a keyboard can do a lot of damage 1081118;1427835222;ascii_field;Chillum: if your machine has magic keys, your problem 1081119;1427835236;Chillum;rs232 seems better 1081120;1427835242;ascii_field;also works 1081121;1427835267;ascii_field;but harder! 1081122;1427835269;ascii_field;because no clock. 1081123;1427835275;ascii_field;rs232 is asynchronous 1081124;1427835286;Chillum;I would use an arduino nano or something to decode and tx the data 1081125;1427835290;ascii_field;i mentioned ps/2 kbd for specifically that reason 1081126;1427835293;ascii_field;Chillum: NO 1081127;1427835297;ascii_field;not analogue. 1081128;1427835298;Chillum;you can use audit-able code 1081129;1427835305;Chillum;so what? 1081130;1427835309;ascii_field;why do this when you can have -no- code ? 1081131;1427835312;ascii_field;the best code is no code. 1081132;1427835322;Chillum;you are using the ps/2 driver for your code 1081133;1427835352;Chillum;what about the bios? if the device is reset can you send keystrokes to the bios? 1081134;1427835352;ascii_field;Chillum: read the specificity principle discussion linked earlier 1081135;1427835363;Chillum;keyboard seems risky 1081136;1427835392;Chillum;at least you need an OS present before the rs232 is read, keyboards are read before the OS is loaded 1081137;1427835417;ascii_field;Chillum: why on earth would you spin the gramophone attached to a computer with no os loaded ? 1081138;1427835429;Chillum;hostile user? 1081139;1427835445;ascii_field;hostile user picks up the machine and takes it home. 1081140;1427835458;Chillum;the device can have physical security with only a rs232 port within reach 1081141;1427835460;ascii_field;he doesn't belong in any discussion of computer security. 1081142;1427835478;Chillum;sorry, but a guy at the computer being hostile is certainly part of real word computer security 1081143;1427835479;ascii_field;'hostile user' connects it to mains. 1081144;1427835499;mats;lol... 1081145;1427835503;ascii_field;http://geekotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/image37.png 1081146;1427835505;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB9YOm ) 1081147;1427835505;Chillum;could be an inside job, bad employee 1081148;1427835517;Chillum;lolm, that will do damage 1081149;1427835528;ascii_field;IRRELEVANT to discussion of barcode machine. 1081150;1427835580;Chillum;Well if I build something like this I won't hook the user input up to the port that controls the bios 1081151;1427835600;Chillum;the keyboard port is basically the ultimate authority 1081152;1427835637;ascii_field;Chillum: if your keyboard is 'ultimate authority' at all times, your system is misconfigured and you deserve to be owned. 1081153;1427835656;Chillum;again, reboot, press F1, adjust bios 1081154;1427835676;Chillum;I suppose you could put a bios password in, and disable all kernal triggers 1081155;1427835678;ascii_field;Chillum: again, if i can sit down at your keyboard and immediately reboot, your box is misconfigured and you deserve to be owned. 1081156;1427835684;Chillum;and find everywhere else modern OS's access the keyboard 1081157;1427835695;Chillum;or you could use RS232 with a little microcontroller to read the upc 1081158;1427835726;ascii_field;Chillum: if your box can be rebooted or otherwise interestingly reconfigured without root pw, you deserve to be owned. 1081159;1427835738;ascii_field;if you play gramophone into a root shell, you deserve to be owned. 1081160;1427835776;Chillum;I am not confident I could find every single thing that reads the keyboard. I am confident I can secure rs232 1081161;1427835803;nubbins`;mildly on-topic, my old man is into woodworking and occasionally sends me links to wooden computers 1081162;1427835808;Chillum;at the very least I would want a filter to remove any non-printable keystrokes 1081163;1427835809;ascii_field;Chillum: i'm surprised that you have not suggested reconstructing the baud clock using analogue means 1081164;1427835814;ascii_field;which is the actual best solution to this 1081165;1427835818;ascii_field;and lets you use rs232 1081166;1427835824;nubbins`;big ol' adders and stuff 1081167;1427835865;Chillum;punch cards? 1081168;1427835880;nubbins`;https://woodgears.ca/marbleadd/index.html 1081169;1427835881;assbot;Binary marble adding machine ... ( http://bit.ly/19zlVaf ) 1081170;1427835883;nubbins`;marbles 1081171;1427835899;ascii_field;nubbins`: https://archive.org/details/tinkertoycomputer00dewd 1081172;1427835901;assbot;The Tinkertoy computer and other machinations : Dewdney, A. K : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/19zm2T8 ) 1081173;1427835919;Chillum;A.K. Dewdney is awesome 1081174;1427835934;Chillum;The Planiverse is a cool book 1081175;1427835944;Chillum;modern version of Flatland 1081176;1427836038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127957 @ 0.00026972 = 34.5126 BTC [+] 1081177;1427836125;Chillum;if you do use the keyboard port create a ps/2 fuzzer with the arduino ps/2 library. Send it all kinds of random stuff, see if you can cause unexpected behavior. 1081178;1427836138;Chillum;fuzzing will find all kinds of stuff a careful search of an OS/codebase will 1081179;1427836140;Chillum;not 1081180;1427836157;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1081181;1427836161;ascii_field;Chillum: good student project 1081182;1427836200;ascii_field;Chillum: you don't even need a microcontroller. can bitbang ps/2 trivially with parallel port of another machine nearby. 1081183;1427836239;Chillum;I was thinking something like a Digispark, probably cost about the same as the parallel/ps2 cable 1081184;1427836252;ascii_field;it costs 0 1081185;1427836259;ascii_field;dive into your junk bin. 1081186;1427836285;Chillum;that is a way to go 1081187;1427836308;ascii_field;Chillum: i thought it was obvious that this is not a commercially-available device. 1081188;1427836324;Chillum;I want to make a digispark that when plugged in to usb sends a very long password from the eeprom, then erases it several times 1081189;1427836338;Chillum;eeprom erasure is not perfect but it is better than most mediums 1081190;1427836377;mircea_popescu;why even put it in the eeprom at all. 1081191;1427836377;Chillum;yes that was obvious 1081192;1427836389;Chillum;it won't have power when it is not plugged in 1081193;1427836455;mircea_popescu;notbad.jpg 1081194;1427836463;Chillum;the idea is that you load the key with a password in secure location A, then you got to insecure location B, use it to start a computer and it erases itself 1081195;1427836491;mircea_popescu;but ... 1081196;1427836496;Chillum;TPM would be crucial 1081197;1427836499;mircea_popescu;maybe this hasn't been thoroughly thought through. 1081198;1427836511;mircea_popescu;what in insecure location b prevents it from making a copy of your key ? 1081199;1427836546;Chillum;TPM monitored OS, and physical security. You don't want your cold wallet to have its keys in plaintext 1081200;1427836588;Chillum;it could also be used to send a payload to a system and remove evidence 1081201;1427836595;Chillum;of what the payload was, or that you had it 1081202;1427836632;mircea_popescu;seems like a not-so-insecure b. 1081203;1427836635;BingoBoingo;!up SquirtPrincess 1081204;1427836644;Chillum;all passwords can be stolen if you use them, we still use them 1081205;1427836655;Chillum;the alternative is no password, no need to even steal it 1081206;1427836680;mircea_popescu;i'm just unsure of what problem you're attacking, but anyway. 1081207;1427836715;ascii_field;Chillum: tpm is a scam 1081208;1427836715;Chillum;what problem does a hammer solve? This is a general purpose tool for sending a text payload as a keyboard and erasing itself 1081209;1427836727;ascii_field;Chillum: it exists solely to 'secure' the system against -you-, the owner. 1081210;1427836732;ascii_field;for the benefit of microshit 1081211;1427836735;mircea_popescu;Chillum butif you trusat the tpm in the first place, 1081212;1427836740;mircea_popescu;why do you even need your cooked digispark 1081213;1427836747;Chillum;I am sure there is a master key out there 1081214;1427836763;mircea_popescu;your aproach to security is very strange. 1081215;1427836772;Chillum;I was thinking the same thing 1081216;1427836784;mircea_popescu;in any case : a hammer is not a good analogy for your item. 1081217;1427836791;mircea_popescu;a self-licking icecream cone perhaps better. 1081218;1427836795;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: thread was originally about my dislike for qr and gedankenexperiment involving a more reasonable means of encoding machine-readable bits on paper. 1081219;1427836795;mircea_popescu;it does... something. 1081220;1427836813;mircea_popescu;ima catch up on logs in a sec 1081221;1427836869;mircea_popescu;o hey SquirtPrincess wants to boobs ? 1081222;1427836874;Chillum;its white hat applications are limited, but lots of black hat applications 1081223;1427836883;SquirtPrincess;thxs <3 1081224;1427836898;SquirtPrincess;sure do 1081225;1427836905;mircea_popescu;so your prior work ? got a link ? 1081226;1427836916;SquirtPrincess;i need like 15 mins though <3 1081227;1427836920;mircea_popescu;aite. 1081228;1427836924;mircea_popescu;i'll be here for a while. 1081229;1427836937;nubbins`;understatement 1081230;1427836940;mircea_popescu;Chillum isn't that even on the face improbable ? if it doesn't work for one or the other it wouldn't work in general. 1081231;1427836943;SquirtPrincess;prior work would my niteflirt account or camsdotcom or nakeddotcom work 1081232;1427836949;mircea_popescu;link. 1081233;1427836991;Chillum;what do you mean? You could plug it in and it could in a matter of seconds download and install something onto a windoze box and then erase the evididence. Would be useful to any blackhat or penn tester 1081234;1427837015;ascii_field;Chillum: out of curiosity, why do you take an interest in what happens to winblows boxes ? 1081235;1427837040;Chillum;people use windows 1081236;1427837042;mircea_popescu;could be cheaper to just rent a boix. 1081237;1427837044;Chillum;sad I know 1081238;1427837046;*;ascii_field does, for instance. but this is because some people pay him very good money for it 1081239;1427837054;SquirtPrincess;https://www.niteflirt.com/listings/show/9958923-Lonely-waiting-for-my-phone-to-ring-playinon-Skype. 1081240;1427837055;assbot;Phone Sex | The Best Phone Sex & Live Web Cam | NiteFlirt ... ( http://bit.ly/19zsEB0 ) 1081241;1427837064;nubbins`;ascii_field does, for instance. but this is because some people pay him very good money for it <<< /me did for same 1081242;1427837065;ascii_field;caring what happens, that is. there is not enough money in the world to pay me to -use- winblows 1081243;1427837078;Chillum;windows is something victims use 1081244;1427837087;nubbins`;i used to work with a guy who brought his own mac pro to the office and ran windows in a vm 1081245;1427837089;nubbins`;no joke 1081246;1427837108;Chillum;I need to smoke something 1081247;1427837148;mircea_popescu;iirc ascii_field did something similar. 1081248;1427837187;ascii_field;emulators, virtualizers, etc. - many ways to do it 1081249;1427837190;ascii_field;when must 1081250;1427837197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213650 @ 0.00025559 = 54.6068 BTC [-] {4} 1081251;1427837224;ascii_field;most folks in the business have a few dedicated physical boxes, also (with removable hdd, segregated net, etc) 1081252;1427837246;mircea_popescu;https://biancabibiri.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/generoasa.jpg << this, incidentally, is like the icon of poverty. 1081253;1427837247;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/19ztJbM ) 1081254;1427837267;mircea_popescu;bad titjob in cheap dress, among a rural setting being transformed into high density "houses". 1081255;1427837411;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080651 << yeah, exponentially. look at the demographic history of the americas if unconvinced. 1081256;1427837411;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 11:37:20; nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> if only. humans don't actually breed like that. <<< what, exponentially? o.O 1081257;1427837414;ascii_field;mircea_popescu et al: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/kingston/mlwg2 << ~30 usd qty. 1 1081258;1427837414;assbot;Kingston Mobilelite Wireless MLWG2 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdLom3 ) 1081259;1427837502;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080655 << but it does EXACTLY model an intelligent designer. quite literally : it is intelligent, and it creates the world as described in bible. 1081260;1427837502;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 11:43:48; nubbins`: rather than lame ol' intelligent design 1081261;1427837552;nubbins`;oh pssh, "intelligent design" leaves the construction of said intelligence out of the picture 1081262;1427837553;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080671 << i wish they stopped abusing children with this freakshow circus act business. 1081263;1427837553;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 13:28:56; nubbins`: "I discovered Bitcoin before fiat money since my Bitcoin wallet is 4 years old and my bank account is 1." -17 year old Louison Dumont, founder of Bitproof.io, on ZapChain AMA 1081264;1427837564;nubbins`;if they had a good backstory for THAT, maybe 1081265;1427837569;mircea_popescu;nubbins` only because the people normally discussing it lack any experience of intelligence. 1081266;1427837574;nubbins`;:D 1081267;1427837592;nubbins`;more like magic design, amirite? 1081268;1427837609;mircea_popescu;well, as deedee aptly put it, "do with your magic science or something!" 1081269;1427837656;mircea_popescu;holy shit the only google reference to that is a logs link. 1081270;1427837667;nubbins`;i ran into this situation twice in the past two days 1081271;1427837669;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: welcome to the club 1081272;1427837672;mircea_popescu;anyway, dexter's laboratory was this great show from the 2nd golden age of animation (animaniacs, etc) 1081273;1427837674;*;ascii_field runs into this daily 1081274;1427837677;nubbins`;haha 1081275;1427837686;mircea_popescu;dexter was a boy jenius, his sister dee dee was kind-of a 7 yo model of a valley girl 1081276;1427837690;nubbins`;eventually google search results for any topic will link to log 1081277;1427837694;mircea_popescu;and her relation to "technologee" was... well... of this nature. 1081278;1427837701;nubbins`;ah yes, deedee! 1081279;1427837707;nubbins`;my laborrahtory! 1081280;1427837733;nubbins`;incidentally, samurai jack 1081281;1427837745;mats;Chillum ruined today's logs 1081282;1427837753;mircea_popescu;he's new. 1081283;1427837811;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080673 << ahahahaha 1081284;1427837811;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 13:29:56; nubbins`: i discovered my asshole before my mouth because my mouth is 33 years old and my new buttplug is 5. 1081285;1427837814;Chillum;don't worry, I will drink the coolaid before too long 1081286;1427837835;nubbins`;please don't 1081287;1427837843;mircea_popescu;clearly, this person should be in charge of ^H^H^H used as a front for a thing intended to be marketed to the sort of idiots who like to hear this sort o fnonsense. you know, like randi zuckerberg going to davos. 1081288;1427837864;mircea_popescu;Chillum think of this place as virginity club. we definitely encourage all the young'uns to keep theirs. 1081289;1427837868;mircea_popescu;mysteriously, they don't. 1081290;1427837937;mircea_popescu;anyway, i find it quite morally dubioous and in any case aesthetically abhorrent, to see the structural mental issues of adolescents used in this manner. 1081291;1427837948;mats;it doesn't have anything to do with koolaid 1081292;1427837968;mircea_popescu;the teacher telling an insecure teen she's pretty to fuck her at least uses her naturally. the idiots telling this kid he's creative and intelligent and so on are abusing him and going against nature. 1081293;1427837974;Chillum;it is just an expression which means to accept the ideas of a group 1081294;1427837995;Chillum;very few kids are creative or intelligent, but some are 1081295;1427837997;mircea_popescu;Chillum i thought it had to do with identity. 1081296;1427838004;mircea_popescu;no kids are either, nor could they be. 1081297;1427838015;Chillum;adults for that matter 1081298;1427838025;mircea_popescu;there do certainly exist kids who MIGHT , once they're adults, be creative or intelligent. 1081299;1427838035;mircea_popescu;but no children can be either creative or intelligent. being childen is a full time job. 1081300;1427838044;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is why there's no more child labour. 1081301;1427838051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205900 @ 0.00024955 = 51.3823 BTC [-] {5} 1081302;1427838061;Chillum;so Ludwig van Beethoven was not creative until he was an adult? 1081303;1427838072;mircea_popescu;you're looking for mozart. 1081304;1427838110;Chillum;Beethoven's musical talent was obvious at a young age 1081305;1427838112;Chillum;mozart too 1081306;1427838114;mircea_popescu;sure. 1081307;1427838139;mircea_popescu;but in b's case that "very young" is mostly 20s. 1081308;1427838145;mircea_popescu;which yes was rare. 1081309;1427838158;mircea_popescu;in m's case is more like.,.. 12. but note that his father DID exploit him as a monkey act 1081310;1427838163;mircea_popescu;with the entire array of ill effects. 1081311;1427838175;Chillum;I would say the a low percentage of adults are creative or intelligent, and a lower non-zero person of children too 1081312;1427838185;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1081313;1427838191;Chillum;really clever kids exploit the adults, not the other way around 1081314;1427838198;ascii_field;notice that nobody plays anything mozart wrote when 12. 1081315;1427838211;ascii_field;it was good for 12 but bad mozart. 1081316;1427838214;Chillum;I odn't know anyone who play mozart 1081317;1427838214;mircea_popescu;ascii_field actually i ocasionally listen to his early stuff. it's not entirely unknoiwn. 1081318;1427838220;ascii_field;i do also 1081319;1427838221;mircea_popescu;where the heck do you live. 1081320;1427838225;ascii_field;not -entirely- unknown 1081321;1427838234;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it is generally a good way for postgrad level students to practice. 1081322;1427838234;ascii_field;but not obsess-loved 1081323;1427838305;*;ascii_field struggles to recall if mircea_popescu had an essay re: mozart's sister 1081324;1427838318;mircea_popescu;now : mozart may well stand as an exception. the anonymous child with the idiotic "bitcoin website" is no mozart. 1081325;1427838331;mircea_popescu;he's just an unfortunate soul with an abusive family that's being quite publicly raped. 1081326;1427838362;mircea_popescu;if we're going to do public rape of children i'd rather see the sexual abuse of little girls, as unseemly that is, than this intellectual outrage. 1081327;1427838441;mircea_popescu;mats might be chinese capital realligning for unfathomable reasons. 1081328;1427838473;mircea_popescu;the russians did a lot of that in the 00s, pushing the various euros for whatever bizarro kremlin reasonings drove the oligarchs 1081329;1427838483;mircea_popescu;!up SquirtPrincess 1081330;1427838493;nubbins`;so local telco refuses to change the caller id on my landline to business name unless i run copper(!) to the house for $130 setup fee and sign up for a $60/mo POTS 1081331;1427838543;jurov;no voip provider around? 1081332;1427838560;nubbins`;jurov i currently have fiber to the door from same telco that includes home phone service 1081333;1427838561;mircea_popescu;yeah, you actually using landline phones ?! 1081334;1427838582;nubbins`;well, no. cordless phones, dead for ~6 months now. 1081335;1427838591;nubbins`;so right now i'm paying $30/mo for a phone number i don't use 1081336;1427838595;mircea_popescu;lolk. 1081337;1427838597;*;ascii_field actually misses the voice quality of true non-ip landline phone 1081338;1427838599;nubbins`;and i wanted to change it over to the business 1081339;1427838607;nubbins`;but i apparently cannot do this 1081340;1427838608;mircea_popescu;alternatively, make the lease in the corp name. they'll have to do it then. 1081341;1427838622;nubbins`;what lease? 1081342;1427838627;nubbins`;:D 1081343;1427838630;mircea_popescu;you hold the place in some sort of form neh ? 1081344;1427838636;mircea_popescu;squatting pinkeye ? 1081345;1427838649;nubbins`;death pledge. 1081346;1427838655;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1081347;1427838658;nubbins`;mortgage 1081348;1427838668;*;nubbins` "owns" 1081349;1427838668;mircea_popescu;rent it to corp. 1081350;1427838675;mircea_popescu;anyway, consult a lawyer. 1081351;1427838695;mircea_popescu;you've unwound a bit of thread that indicates you're unoptimized in more ways than just phones. 1081352;1427838703;jurov;wtf.. i have both cell and fiber signed on corporation without prob 1081353;1427838717;jurov;(in my flat) 1081354;1427838721;mircea_popescu;jurov you don't live in idiotaria, which im starting to think is what columbus actually discovered. 1081355;1427838726;nubbins`;all i want is internet service to be billed to residential and phone service to be billed to business 1081356;1427838745;nubbins`;i flatly cannot do this at the same rate as i could if both are residential 1081357;1427838751;mircea_popescu;that's true. 1081358;1427838765;nubbins`;this is all that's grinding my gears 1081359;1427838778;nubbins`;they won't update an entry in a database 1081360;1427838797;jurov;change your name to Pink Eye :D 1081361;1427838802;nubbins`;heh :D 1081362;1427838827;mircea_popescu;then he could go to a marathon and the announcer could say 1081363;1427838838;mircea_popescu;and pink eye prints sprints, and he's got it ladies and gentlemen! 1081364;1427838839;nubbins`;but then the caller id would say "Eye, Pink" 1081365;1427838851;nubbins`;stink eye sprint company 1081366;1427838865;chetty;http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/03/30/stockton-smart-meters-explode-after-truck-causes-power-surge/ 1081367;1427838866;assbot;Stockton Smart Meters Explode After Truck Causes Power Surge « CBS Sacramento ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdQ4Z0 ) 1081368;1427838867;mircea_popescu;you could change your name to Stink the Shrink 1081369;1427838885;nubbins`;anyway IDGAF about uptime guarantees or *whatever the fuck* makes a business phone cost more 1081370;1427838895;nubbins`;i just want a phone number that i can put in the YP, ya know? 1081371;1427838895;mircea_popescu;what the hell do those meters do. 1081372;1427838906;mircea_popescu;yp ? 1081373;1427838923;ascii_field;chetty, mircea_popescu: we have these here. 1081374;1427838927;ascii_field;gsm modem in each. 1081375;1427838929;jurov;they retransmit keyboard emanations 1081376;1427838941;ascii_field;there are no longer 'meter men' who come in person to read the number. 1081377;1427838959;mircea_popescu;jurov wouldn't seem impossible. 1081378;1427838965;ascii_field;oddly enough, the water meters don't have gsm 1081379;1427838975;ascii_field;they have short-range radio and a stereotypical 'nsa van' has to come by 1081380;1427838979;ascii_field;and read a street monthly 1081381;1427839016;mircea_popescu;cause older ? 1081382;1427839027;jurov;i have these too. but for whatever reason, dude had to come in anyway and connect it by usb 1081383;1427839032;mircea_popescu;anyway, a) why wouldn't you surge protect what sounds pretty costly and b) what the fuck is in there to explode. 1081384;1427839043;ascii_field;a) chinese 1081385;1427839045;mircea_popescu;jurov whatever reason being you know, need jerbs. 1081386;1427839049;ascii_field;b) the rectifier 1081387;1427839073;mircea_popescu;oh oh 1081388;1427839086;mircea_popescu;yeah, might as well put a rectifier in there if you're going to the trouble of modems and shit 1081389;1427839091;ascii_field;it's a computerized gadget, like pogo 1081390;1427839094;ascii_field;runs on dc 1081391;1427839103;ascii_field;incidentally, has debug port 1081392;1427839108;ascii_field;(see 'defcon' talk a few yrs ago) 1081393;1427839120;chetty;just another little piece of the control grid, but apparently this piece is also hazardous to your health and property 1081394;1427839164;ascii_field;and even in the old days, sc4mz0rz often masqueraded as 'meter men' 1081395;1427839174;ascii_field;the fine tradition continues today. 1081396;1427839196;mircea_popescu;!up freeborn 1081397;1427839197;chetty;now they can just drive by and tell if anyone is home to case the joint 1081398;1427839212;ascii_field;chetty: no need to even drive 1081399;1427839219;mircea_popescu;listen freeborn, get in the wot, and note that as eulora is coming out these coming days, we'll be looking for people to maintain binaries. 1081400;1427839221;ascii_field;chetty: gsm modem, remember 1081401;1427839230;jurov;if it used power source design with capacitors, they do explode on overvoltage 1081402;1427839253;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nah, these days scamzors masquerade as "special agents" 1081403;1427839260;ascii_field;jurov: incidentally, this is SOP in cheapo dc gadgetry that runs off the mains 1081404;1427839265;ascii_field;e.g. pNohe chargers 1081405;1427839269;chetty;well I am sure the data is all there, basement of big buildings and all 1081406;1427839272;ascii_field;transformerless design 1081407;1427839278;ascii_field;very sensitive to spikes 1081408;1427839279;mircea_popescu;speaking of which bit : the guy made, according to court documents, a very cushy 20k A MONTH. which, let it be noted, is a lot more than media whores a la sam altman actually take home. 1081409;1427839295;mircea_popescu;now consider that this man was willing to throw away the goodwill of the behemoth for simply... three times that, and tell me 1081410;1427839302;mircea_popescu;what does the devil have to pay force to love him ? 1081411;1427839315;chetty;a dime? 1081412;1427839316;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: he wasn't just working for the 20k 1081413;1427839321;ascii_field;but for being man, not muppet 1081414;1427839330;ascii_field;if only secretly under his blanket 1081415;1427839330;mircea_popescu;heh. 1081416;1427839343;ascii_field;there are many who betray for free 1081417;1427839347;ascii_field;just to have agency 1081418;1427839358;ascii_field;in ussr - dozens 1081419;1427839361;ascii_field;(that we even know of) 1081420;1427839369;mircea_popescu;how many of these are there ? (all of them, within reasonable tolerance). how many of these are more than willing to work under a power's blanket, if that power's powerful, rather than their own ? (a bunch) 1081421;1427839372;mircea_popescu;and so there we go. 1081422;1427839380;ascii_field;and thousands of minor malingerers who wanted to do something - anything - to fuck the beast 1081423;1427839386;mircea_popescu;everyone could have problems. usg's actually got problems. 1081424;1427839429;chetty;well given that the rule of law is no more, no reason not to have a little 'fun' 1081425;1427839430;mircea_popescu;and there you have the chief importance of snowden, strategically : he drove home the fear. 1081426;1427839430;ascii_field;wake me up when it has problems taking half of what i earn. 1081427;1427839445;ascii_field;and half again of what remains in other ways. 1081428;1427839448;mircea_popescu;nobody in the usg can do anything anymore. it's not just that i have their home address and i know who their wife is fucking better than them. 1081429;1427839452;mircea_popescu;it goes all the way to the fucking bones. 1081430;1427839454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170396 @ 0.00025713 = 43.8139 BTC [+] {3} 1081431;1427839686;jurov;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-for-prison 1081432;1427839687;assbot;Designing a Bitcoin system to use in prison | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdSN4E ) 1081433;1427839692;jurov;"When Dave paid John 25 MAK for a workout, every inmate in the yard would take out their notebook and jot down the transaction." 1081434;1427839788;ascii_field;infuriating idiot pretending he invented publicly announced debts 1081435;1427839788;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha win 1081436;1427839800;ascii_field;(sop in ru and probably every prison on the planet since babylon at least0 1081437;1427839805;mircea_popescu;ascii_field they're new. 1081438;1427839824;mircea_popescu;next decade, they invent involuntary tattoos 1081439;1427839830;mircea_popescu;first best ever. 1081440;1427839882;ascii_field;and, the imbecile - i can understand. the press going along ? 1081441;1427839907;mircea_popescu;o, that's their job. amplifying stupid is what the press does. 1081442;1427839941;trinque;motherboard (vice) probably thinks they're being edgy having an article written by Shrem 1081443;1427839951;mircea_popescu;defo 1081444;1427839963;mircea_popescu;also, they think they're edgy giving him 50 cans o tuna or w/e they use, 1081445;1427839975;mircea_popescu;and he's desperate for some capital, because jew boy really thinks that's how you survive prison 1081446;1427839979;mircea_popescu;etc. 1081447;1427840008;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1081448;1427840028;mircea_popescu;so these people here... they didn't like the set-up where the half week off for easter didn't bridge twoi weekends, so they called a general strike. 1081449;1427840033;mircea_popescu;samba si, trabajo no! 1081450;1427840102;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080875 << sounds like a broad rehash of stuff discussed here/on trilema last year or something. 1081451;1427840102;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 18:53:48; ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l from, guess who, orlov; http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html 1081452;1427840111;mircea_popescu;not that it's such a big deal to add 2 and 2 and get 4. 1081453;1427840218;SquirtPrincess;sprry for the delay had unexpected company 1081454;1427840229;SquirtPrincess;sorry* 1081455;1427840356;mircea_popescu;dawg how hard is it to post a link. 1081456;1427840366;mircea_popescu;!up SquirtPrincess 1081457;1427840371;mircea_popescu;so, link to your prev work ? 1081458;1427840375;SquirtPrincess;thxs <3 1081459;1427840411;SquirtPrincess; https://www.niteflirt.com/listings/show/9958923-Lonely-waiting-for-my-phone-to-ring-playinon-Skype 1081460;1427840412;assbot;Phone Sex | Lonely waiting for my phone to ring playinon Skype | NiteFlirt Phone Sex ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJLsUB ) 1081461;1427840494;SquirtPrincess;dies that work ? 1081462;1427840499;SquirtPrincess;does* 1081463;1427840515;mircea_popescu;no. previous work = pictures of you nude that you have previously published. this is not a 100x100px icon, and it is not a R rated thing. 1081464;1427840533;SquirtPrincess;k one sec let me see 1081465;1427840562;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " This is not akin, for example, to two people using the same model of mobile phone but both having software that is out of date. Rather, the outdated version that both "French Maid" and FORCE (as Nob) used is more of a "signature" given the greater number of versions available." << such a bizarre notion, this. 1081466;1427840574;SquirtPrincess;cams.com/SQITPRINCESS?fromsearch=1 1081467;1427840580;mircea_popescu;how is it not exactly like having ... you know, a router that runs, as Chillum well points out, decade old binaries ? 1081468;1427840640;mircea_popescu;SquirtPrincess you mean http://graphics.cams.com/images/streamray/streams/SQITPRINCESS.gif ? mno. 1081469;1427840641;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJMgc6 ) 1081470;1427840670;SquirtPrincess;cyea im trying to find an r rated one 1081471;1427840694;mircea_popescu;you know if you're trying to make a living with this you gotta have them like in a holster. like your business card. 1081472;1427840754;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "increases the cost to and adversary and might permit" << 1081473;1427840768;mircea_popescu;"or simple hoping for the best." << simply ? 1081474;1427840785;mircea_popescu; because they word about various turds << 1081475;1427840822;mircea_popescu;if your profession is law enforcement. << that law enforcement should be in scare quotes. 1081476;1427840909;mircea_popescu;dude you need an editor! 1081477;1427840951;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080972 << yup, cutting through it. gentoo box is mostly emerged, 1081478;1427840951;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 20:16:34; chetty: well I guess eulora will get the ultimate test then, mp is planning on installing a copy on such a box soonish 1081479;1427840971;SquirtPrincess;imgur.com/vT6gLTW,tVEerEx 1081480;1427840979;SquirtPrincess;that ok ? 1081481;1427840994;nubbins`;qntra needs an editor and foundation needs some more eyes 1081482;1427841023;SquirtPrincess;http://imgur.com/tVEerEx 1081483;1427841023;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJNzaV ) 1081484;1427841047;mircea_popescu;SquirtPrincess well normally no, because it's just a bodypart rather than you know, you. but at any rate, i'm feeling generous so, put ae654537 on your tits, take a picture, report back. 1081485;1427841076;SquirtPrincess;alright thxs then do i just pm you my BTC address 1081486;1427841087;mircea_popescu;you can post it here just as well. 1081487;1427841095;mircea_popescu;that way people can see you've actually been paid. 1081488;1427841119;nubbins`;dat transparency 1081489;1427841122;SquirtPrincess;great be back in a min <3 1081490;1427841150;SquirtPrincess;i trust you, was checking previous posts <3 1081491;1427841169;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080995 << dawg srsly, go type my pubkey. 1081492;1427841169;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 20:21:35; ascii_field: fingers. 1081493;1427841194;mircea_popescu;be there for the whole day. shit's hard work. 1081494;1427841324;nubbins`;the true test of touch-typing skill 1081495;1427841335;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081008 << consider, if you can do the linear without a cpu, you can do the square one also without a cpu, will need a bank of linear readers instead. the reason this is not done is because bitmap interpretation is cheaper 1081496;1427841335;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 20:23:48; ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu. 1081497;1427841378;mircea_popescu;nubbins` have you ever lelled at the circumstance that if one ever sees pgp used like we use it, it's invariably with a ridoinculous line-and-a-half signature ? 1081498;1427841390;mircea_popescu;i guess lots of touch-typist-securitists out there. 1081499;1427841398;nubbins`;oh man, where did i see the tiniest sig ever the other day... 1081500;1427841406;nubbins`;it srsly was like 3 lines 1081501;1427841410;mircea_popescu;i was like... o look how nice, he did that on the toilet. 1081502;1427841566;jurov;square reader without cpu? thjat is interesting, hope you don't mean scanning line-by-line with linear one? 1081503;1427841573;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo o look, we progressed to "fictitious exchange" ? 1081504;1427841585;mircea_popescu;jurov why not ? and no, i said have a bank of them 1081505;1427841586;mircea_popescu;but same idea. 1081506;1427841639;pete_dushenski;cazalla BingoBoingo for qntra's consideration : http://dpaste.com/0PFR82J 1081507;1427841640;assbot;dpaste: 0PFR82J: March 31, 2015 article, by pete ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJPwnN ) 1081508;1427841650;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pity it's the same 2-3 derps that keep pushing it. i recall some goon or other was having fun with them on tardstalk last year. "really, it's not mps fault X scammer touched you" 1081509;1427841651;pete_dushenski;^more troubles at bitpay 1081510;1427841703;jurov;;;seen evoorhees 1081511;1427841703;gribble;evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 36 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 43 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: I need to go for now, on later 1081512;1427841761;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski speaking of which, didn't the bowl thing they sponsored ditch the bitcoin logo recently ? 1081513;1427841777;pete_dushenski;haha! that's the article in fact 1081514;1427841781;mircea_popescu;ah ok. 1081515;1427841783;mircea_popescu;lol 1081516;1427841797;pete_dushenski;i didn't see it in the logs, figured it was freshish 1081517;1427841800;mircea_popescu;i guess they read the logs, looked up this new word "roi", had a mindblow. 1081518;1427841831;mircea_popescu;it is fresh enough, sure. i dun think we really give much of a shit about any particular derps, so kinda wide grate. 1081519;1427841835;pete_dushenski;makes you wonder how business worked before logs were invented 1081520;1427841895;pete_dushenski;wide grate, yes, and seeing the balloon get pricked is pretty satisfying 1081521;1427842071;pete_dushenski;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-for-prison << shrem derping from behind bars. 1081522;1427842072;assbot;Designing a Bitcoin system to use in prison | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdSN4E ) 1081523;1427842083;pete_dushenski;bitcoin+cans of fish = the future of money! 1081524;1427842084;mircea_popescu;yeah that was in log 1081525;1427842090;pete_dushenski;oops 1081526;1427842105;nubbins`;duod do you even ;/ 1081527;1427842130;pete_dushenski;i wasn't that far down yet! 1081528;1427842218;mircea_popescu;!up SquirtPrincess 1081529;1427842323;SquirtPrincess;thxs had to find a sharpie that would work uploading now <3 1081530;1427842333;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081143 << this actually happened. once upon a time, to save on money, people working on a very expensive piece of machinery used a power plug slot to connect a data interface. 1081531;1427842333;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 20:57:59; ascii_field: 'hostile user' connects it to mains. 1081532;1427842345;pete_dushenski;heya Pierre_Rochard 1081533;1427842351;mircea_popescu;then a week later the thing blew, because the cleanning lady disconnected the power and the data sockets, and reconnected them backwards. 1081534;1427842397;Pierre_Rochard;heya pete_dushenski. Contravex gonna sponsor st pete’s bowl this year? 1081535;1427842422;pete_dushenski;i dunno... 1081536;1427842433;pete_dushenski;i hear there's this roi thing that businesses are supposed to worry about 1081537;1427842445;mircea_popescu;lol 1081538;1427842450;pete_dushenski;i figure it might also apply to self-funded blogs 1081539;1427842452;mircea_popescu;it's ok, having no income simplifies things :D 1081540;1427842477;SquirtPrincess;imgur.com/WxUHGwV,WdCWKfE,NA5kWea,MwtIflI#1 1081541;1427842481;Pierre_Rochard;nah, VCs give you money so that you stimulate the economy 1081542;1427842486;mircea_popescu;but anyway, my two bits would be : do not sponsor the stupid shit of the old world. so what if the plebs like to watch basketball ? we don't like plebs. 1081543;1427842487;SquirtPrincess;http://imgur.com/NA5kWea 1081544;1427842488;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1agtCmq ) 1081545;1427842501;mircea_popescu;invent new shnit, like sponsor kicking around enemy's severed head competition. 1081546;1427842505;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu well only since you stole ben_vulpes's precious time from vanads and repurposed it towards that foundation thingy 1081547;1427842507;SquirtPrincess;here you go http://imgur.com/WxUHGwV 1081548;1427842508;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1agtGCS ) 1081549;1427842515;pete_dushenski;LOT OF GOOD THAT'S GONNA DO. 1081550;1427842516;Pierre_Rochard;because you see, one guy buys the sponsorship, ESPN buys some apps, VC makes money, circulate circulate 1081551;1427842536;SquirtPrincess;address is 1AZ4S94SNWvrNp1JvdvmHHZS4NeaKuyGEc 1081552;1427842537;mircea_popescu;SquirtPrincess address ? 1081553;1427842544;SquirtPrincess;1AZ4S94SNWvrNp1JvdvmHHZS4NeaKuyGEc 1081554;1427842576;SquirtPrincess;http://imgur.com/MwtIflI 1081555;1427842576;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1agtT8W ) 1081556;1427842593;Pierre_Rochard;my view is bitcoin is a macro-economic phenomena. Advertising it makes as much sense as advertising for a housing crisis in 2005. Throwing away money 1081557;1427842598;SquirtPrincess;may not be the best but i think the biggest i've seen on here lol 1081558;1427842640;pete_dushenski;hm, what other sports can b-a sponsor ? i vote for jai alai 1081559;1427842642;mircea_popescu;well, "best". what's best. 1081560;1427842653;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well, sponsor w/e you want, you know ? 1081561;1427842668;pete_dushenski;true enough. 1081562;1427842671;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard this is pretty apt actually. 1081563;1427842679;mircea_popescu;"let's advertise for the industrial revolution111!!!" 1081564;1427842683;pete_dushenski;but that's step 2, step 1: income! 1081565;1427842684;SquirtPrincess;well guess that in the eye of the beholder 1081566;1427842732;pete_dushenski;sovereign debt needs advertising more than bitcoin 1081567;1427842743;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: indeed, larry ellison was not sponsoring America’s Cup boats in the late 70’s 1081568;1427842787;pete_dushenski;ya, sponsoring is for later in life, post-productive years. like charity. 1081569;1427842789;Pierre_Rochard;how much did putin pay you for the russian debt informercial you ran earlier? ;) 1081570;1427842803;pete_dushenski;lol 1081571;1427842829;pete_dushenski;what is this, "disclose all your interests" day ? 1081572;1427842831;nubbins`;boost is huge 1081573;1427842854;mircea_popescu;but yeah, "advertising" will probably survive in the charity part. 1081574;1427842914;Pierre_Rochard;silly sponsorships aside, here’s where some un-named startups are really derping: http://mcfunley.com/choose-boring-technology 1081575;1427842916;assbot;Dan McKinley :: Choose Boring Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1aguSGd ) 1081576;1427842928;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard my putin pump obviously worked, russia pulled back from 17% to 14% since my article 1081577;1427842938;pete_dushenski;great success 1081578;1427842943;mircea_popescu;lol winctory. 1081579;1427842970;Pierre_Rochard;next conference: pete_dushenski’s russian dacha 1081580;1427842996;mircea_popescu;dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. du nthink the lot of us would fit. 1081581;1427843021;pete_dushenski;we can probably squeeze into the penthouse at the four seasons st petersberg 1081582;1427843032;Pierre_Rochard;well we’ll settle for that then 1081583;1427843060;pete_dushenski;this is for the 11th conference, ya ? 1081584;1427843099;mircea_popescu;i dunno that the russians want our moneyz! 1081585;1427843154;pete_dushenski;well mebbe you should ask them before assuming things. 1081586;1427843175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 391200 @ 0.00024774 = 96.9159 BTC [-] {3} 1081587;1427843192;mircea_popescu;hehe i guess 1081588;1427843204;mircea_popescu;SquirtPrincess yer welcome. 1081589;1427843301;SquirtPrincess;<3 if you need any more or some kitty shots let me know thxs <3 1081590;1427843395;mircea_popescu;aha. 1081591;1427843411;mircea_popescu;where di you hear about it anyway ? 1081592;1427843541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114600 @ 0.00024739 = 28.3509 BTC [-] 1081593;1427843821;ben_vulpes; [22:00] now consider that this man was willing to throw away the goodwill of the behemoth for simply... three times that, and tell me << keep in mind he came from the DEA, the most notoriously corrupt arm of the militarized 'anti-drug' brigade. 1081594;1427843864;ben_vulpes;and i suspect this IRS action to be in line with (asciilifeform? decimation? mircea_popescu?)'s forcast that bitcoin will split the g-men who can from the g-men who can't 1081595;1427843875;mircea_popescu;yeah well... 1081596;1427843890;ben_vulpes;DEA being very accustomed to "doing things their way", and the IRS wanting a rather tight grip on the bitcoin thing. 1081597;1427843932;mircea_popescu;i suppose the only thing to do 1081598;1427843935;mircea_popescu;is a new department. 1081599;1427843963;SquirtPrincess;sorry was smoking 1081600;1427843986;SquirtPrincess;i was searching for tits for bits and it was like the 4th or 5th link down 1081601;1427843996;mircea_popescu;a hey. 1081602;1427844002;mircea_popescu;so do you make a living at the cam thing ? 1081603;1427844013;SquirtPrincess;thought forsure i was too late, looked like an old post 1081604;1427844043;mircea_popescu;!up SquirtPrincess 1081605;1427844095;SquirtPrincess;a living not really but extra income no doubt 1081606;1427844108;BingoBoingo; dude you need an editor! << I really might, but things are fixed 1081607;1427844130;SquirtPrincess;some weeks bring 700-800$ and others $100-200 but i only do it part-time 1081608;1427844193;mircea_popescu;Naphex is running a b-a sanctioned webcam thing, maybe give it a look. 1081609;1427844199;mircea_popescu;what was it, xotika.tv ? 1081610;1427844214;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... gentoo box is mostly emerged, << congrats mircea_popescu ! 1081611;1427844229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: welcome to (what remains of...) gentoo. 1081612;1427844247;mircea_popescu;lol 1081613;1427844262;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... dawg srsly, go type my pubkey. << not arguing that anyone should do this, but that qr as we know it defeats the purpose of optical barrier 1081614;1427844265;mircea_popescu;such weird times we live 1081615;1427844272;asciilifeform;because it's as computronic as any wired protocol 1081616;1427844273;mircea_popescu;srsly, off debian ? is it a dream ? 1081617;1427844275;SquirtPrincess;yea tits for bits no one's ever online so 1081618;1427844281;asciilifeform;and in many ways more 'voodoo' 1081619;1427844302;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i only recently encountered the "qr code in qr code" exploit family 1081620;1427844306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can do the square one also without a cpu, << not qr as we know it!! read the standard, srsly 1081621;1427844307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you will recall the discussion was a narrow use case : you print them, you use them etc. 1081622;1427844310;asciilifeform;or have a pet read it, whoever 1081623;1427844315;asciilifeform;it's quite complicated. 1081624;1427844322;asciilifeform;often there is even compression. 1081625;1427844333;mircea_popescu;nowhere was there any requirement you use the stock thing. 1081626;1427844339;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo ^see gpg'd article above :) 1081627;1427844371;SquirtPrincess;also if you didn;t get it from my name im a Squirter w/ Triple DDDs 1081628;1427844375;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... kicking around enemy's severed head competition. << aztecs have stone patent. 1081629;1427844391;jurov;i thought the requirement was you're able to visually(or otherwise) check what you're transmitting throught the gap? 1081630;1427844402;jurov;or are going to learn reading qr? 1081631;1427844465;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. << complicated. 'dacha' literally means '[that which is] given.' as in, granted as reward by the king. in soviet times, it was of course not 'given' (except to officials, but even then was not their personal property but more like obama's car.) but for normal folks, the standard was an unheated cabin and the regulation 100 sq. metres of garden. 1081632;1427844503;asciilifeform;jurov: qr breaks most of what i think of as nice things about barcode 1081633;1427844524;asciilifeform;e.g., human readable, but even if you can't be bothered to read - there is some rough correspondence between the length and the payload size 1081634;1427844526;asciilifeform;with qr - no 1081635;1427844533;asciilifeform;all qr look roughly alike 1081636;1427844543;pete_dushenski;"Consider this bit of circumstantial evidence which the government which it alleges connects Force to one of his extortion sockpuppets" << this sentence is borked, BingoBoingo 1081637;1427844611;asciilifeform;qr << and yes, i know what they are used for. but with the transparency they give, may as well be magnetic cards. 1081638;1427844612;asciilifeform;or floppies. 1081639;1427844653;mircea_popescu;actually, if you could have < 1kb floppies i'd prolly use those too. 1081640;1427844661;asciilifeform;you can 1081641;1427844671;asciilifeform;good with a knife ? 1081642;1427844685;mircea_popescu;lol 1081643;1427844696;asciilifeform;but in all seriousness - magstripe 1081644;1427844699;asciilifeform;is a 1kb floppy. 1081645;1427844711;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's the principal advantage set of the qr pass : 1) widely available for cheap 2) limited size. 1081646;1427844728;mircea_popescu;this doesn't makle them fit for a wife. just, work for some purposes. 1081647;1427844761;nubbins`;asciilifeform re: uint32_t : 0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't include portatronic patch from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html 1081648;1427844761;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJV5HM ) 1081649;1427844781;mircea_popescu;did we end up with the first version control issue ? 1081650;1427844805;mircea_popescu;SquirtPrincess so what DO you do for a living ? 1081651;1427844883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00024739 = 11.6273 BTC [-] 1081652;1427844936;scoopbot;New post on Qntra.net by pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitpay-showing-more-signs-of-trouble-no-longer-st-petersburg-bowl-sponsor/ 1081653;1427844944;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Article up, patch applied to other article 1081654;1427844959;pete_dushenski;wunderbar! 1081655;1427845099;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski speaking of which, funny how the spam accounts overflowing reddit (specifically reddit, not any other random social spam platform) with news and commentary about the epocal all-important move of bitpay to waste some money 1081656;1427845115;mircea_popescu;aren't now filling it with news and commentary about bitpay's neobee-esque failure mere months down the road. 1081657;1427845125;SquirtPrincess;house work and cam 1081658;1427845136;mircea_popescu;clearly reddit is a legitimate source of news and commentary where actual people post things that legitimately interest them. 1081659;1427845145;mircea_popescu;SquirtPrincess what's house work ? like a maid ? 1081660;1427845153;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu heh. quite. 1081661;1427845204;Pierre_Rochard;I’ll let y’all know when my paycheck stops clearing 1081662;1427845220;mircea_popescu;prolly the spring of next year. 1081663;1427845225;mircea_popescu;kinda how springs work in bitcoin. 1081664;1427845238;Pierre_Rochard;the old die, the young are born 1081665;1427845243;SquirtPrincess;no just stay at home clean my house lol 1081666;1427845246;Pierre_Rochard;ehrm conceived 1081667;1427845248;mircea_popescu;oh. 1081668;1427845269;SquirtPrincess;i did call center for a while 1081669;1427845271;BingoBoingo;Prolly better that the Bitcoin Bowl ends after one game. At least it ended on a very watchable game. 1081670;1427845284;SquirtPrincess;but f*ck that 1081671;1427845291;mircea_popescu;does it suck worse than cam ? 1081672;1427845308;mircea_popescu;and you're allowed to sday fuck 1081673;1427845318;SquirtPrincess;rather deals w/ dicks online for good $$ then on the phone for tittle winks 1081674;1427845345;mircea_popescu;doesn't pay so good ? 1081675;1427845349;SquirtPrincess;deal w/ dicks either way lol 1081676;1427845358;Pierre_Rochard;BingoBoingo: indeed, now we have cash for a nascar sponsorship! /s 1081677;1427845382;SquirtPrincess;not like cams on naked its 4.99 a min and i get 50% 1081678;1427845385;Pierre_Rochard;(btw bitpay already did that: http://www.coindesk.com/bitpay-sponsors-nascar-truck-series-driver/ ) 1081679;1427845386;assbot;BitPay Sponsors NASCAR Truck Series Driver ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJWCh6 ) 1081680;1427845397;BingoBoingo;Pierre_Rochard: I know BitPay is in the South, but... that seems a bit lowbrow... 1081681;1427845458;mircea_popescu;so like 150 an hour or so... not bad. almost what force made. 1081682;1427845476;Pierre_Rochard;BingoBoingo: “this demo doesn’t know anything about btc, clearly should be our target!†1081683;1427845523;mircea_popescu;in fairness, bitpay is probably the better in that space, on a purely ops/technical perspectrive. 1081684;1427845532;mircea_popescu;coinbase srsly doesn't know what it's doing. 1081685;1427845535;BingoBoingo;The great appeal of American Football is exactly a gladiator show. A gladiator show where fighting is disallowed, the competitors wear personal protective gear, and they are charged some how in spite of that still crippling their opposition. It is grand and it appeals across classes. 1081686;1427845568;BingoBoingo;BitPay really should have just sprung for a New Years Day bowl game. 1081687;1427845633;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: well, both made it this far. As for technical side, it is an engineering tour de force to build a semi-functional accounting system on mongodb documents and node.js, no doubt 1081688;1427845653;mircea_popescu;heh, 1081689;1427845728;Pierre_Rochard;BingoBoingo: I would’ve opted for golf. Surely has highest % of decision-making people 1081690;1427845761;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard definitely. but i dunno who's in charge of spends there. they have nfi what the job even is. 1081691;1427845774;ben_vulpes;a bitcoin messiah'd do pretty well in the south. 1081692;1427845776;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: they were let go 1081693;1427845781;mircea_popescu;oic. 1081694;1427845784;ben_vulpes;"it's gold! that the government can't take! or stop you sending!" 1081695;1427845791;ben_vulpes;barring of course rectowhateverwhatever 1081696;1427845806;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo on my qntra article there, it looks a bit odd on the front page without a "continue reading" link... 1081697;1427845817;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes, if you're ready to drop 100mn on this, pick some random christian rock band from mobile, make a movie about the lead vocal, send them on tour, 1081698;1427845826;mircea_popescu;a year later you've got dixiebitcoin in your pocket. 1081699;1427845837;mircea_popescu;prolly not worth the 100mn, but hey. 1081700;1427845846;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo golf, or tennis! 1081701;1427845877;kakobrekla;anything that has to do with little balls. 1081702;1427845877;mircea_popescu;tennis is more like libertard crowd. they live on govt grants. da fuck they want bitcoin. 1081703;1427845882;mircea_popescu;!up SquirtPrincess 1081704;1427845886;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha kakobrekla 1081705;1427845894;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: fixd 1081706;1427845916;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo cool beans 1081707;1427845931;Pierre_Rochard;alas, whatever the chairman/ceo is interested in is what gets sponsored. Those fancy seats ain’t free! 1081708;1427845935;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla thems the decision makers! 1081709;1427845940;BingoBoingo; tennis is more like libertard crowd. they live on govt grants. da fuck they want bitcoin. << Gold and Tennis are too expensive. Also no one watches tennis, bet only sport. 1081710;1427845992;pete_dushenski;i know a buncha old dudes who watch (and play) tennis 1081711;1427846011;BingoBoingo;Play yes, Bet yes, watch... rare 1081712;1427846015;pete_dushenski;it's bnn (business news network) during the day, hockey in the evenings 1081713;1427846019;pete_dushenski;tennis/golf on the weekends 1081714;1427846042;pete_dushenski;they're all well heeled too 1081715;1427846056;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 100m, though? 1081716;1427846056;BingoBoingo;Now hockey maybe. All kinds of people can afford to sponsor hockey, also the ball is small and flat. 1081717;1427846061;pete_dushenski;i don't see a lot of them making and taking bets, but they might have bookies. 1081718;1427846065;ben_vulpes;just convince the band that it's god's gift to free humanity. 1081719;1427846076;ben_vulpes;find the charismatic dude and convince him that he's the nth coming. 1081720;1427846099;ben_vulpes;must be the murderous type, though. 1081721;1427846110;pete_dushenski;in fact, i know that some of the older dentists have bookies 1081722;1427846127;pete_dushenski;i dunno what it is about dentists and gambling, but they seem to be bosom pals 1081723;1427846198;BingoBoingo; in fact, i know that some of the older dentists have bookies << Dentists are also junkies. In his first year dentisting at the medicaid clinic my brother has twice has had other dentists forge prescriptions for themselves off of his numbers. 1081724;1427846230;pete_dushenski;notbad.jpg 1081725;1427846292;BingoBoingo;All together probably half a million dollars and 16 years of higher education time has been flushed by people who don't realize my brother is a boring square. 1081726;1427846347;pete_dushenski;but a rich one! 1081727;1427846358;pete_dushenski;assuming he's practising 1081728;1427846364;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo people who don't dare tell the bitchy jewish princess girlfriend to moan like kournikova watch tennis.